This was posted in Principal Scott Poole's weekly Principal's Updates this week:

"New Expectation Starting in 2011-2012: Beginning in September, all Lanier teachers will be expected to stay after school one day a week on a late bus day (Monday, Wednesday, or Thursday) to help their students. This expectation will be considered part of their teaching responsibilities, not part of our After-School Program. Similar to what is being done in many FCPS middle schools, we are asking teachers to fulfill this requirement to streamline our intervention and enrichment efforts. Earlier this year, many teachers expressed concern that Pride Time is not being optimized due to the competing demands they face. By asking teachers to stay after school on one late bus day each week, we will be able to address this issue. Starting in September, Pride Time will be designated solely for intervention and enrichment, while each teacher’s chosen day for after-school help will be designated for make-ups. I’m providing this notice well in advance so that our teachers can plan appropriately for this change. Thanks."

Three years ago, the staff at Lanier was asked to change their daily TA (study hall) into an intervention class called Pride Time. The staff was promised at the time that Pride Time would replace any need for after school student help. Now, the staff is being told that they still must teach during Pride Time (not contractually correct since teachers are only paid to instruct in five classes and Pride Time makes six) and they must also stay after to teach. He is even saying here that this is considered part of teaching responsibilities, which is in violation of teacher contracts that state that their responsibilities are until 3:10.

What are teachers being given in return? No raises in three years, an opportunity to pay for child care an additional afternoon a week, a greater opportunity to sit in traffic and use more gas at the later release time, and a micromanaged career.

It is time for other citizens to speak up about what is going on at Lanier and other schools in the county. There is no union with real power, since Virginia is a Right to Work state, so concerned citizens who would like to see caring teachers retained need to speak up and take action.

Aww your are going to need to work P

I understand Prince Georges County, Maryland is looking for some new teachers. Why not apply there if you're so unhappy?

But you still have all summer off, 2 weeks at Christmas, 4 days at Thanksgiving, A week for spring break ?.....umm the rest of us are not too worked up that you have to stay after 3:10 for an hour or so one day a week...

Teachers have a contract start time and end time. Clearly this is past their required contract time. They cannot be forced to stay after.

As I am still at work-unpaid overtime-let me think of something to say.

How about QUIT if you are so miserable and are being abused.

FCPS gets thousands of applications each year and we can replace you tomorrow.

Go to Florida and apply...oh nevermind no jobs there.

How about CA....nope they are laying off thousands.

Oh well.

Typical, your response is quite typical for our times. The fact of the matter is, you are basically justifying a downhill slide in the standard of living and work, and saying that others will replace people if they are not happy. The fact of the matter is, we should have standards as employees and taxpayers, and not just cop-out and say that there aren't jobs elsewhere. That type of thinking will get you to accept being fed Soylent Green.

Why don't you grow a sack and do something about your situation of being forced to work unpaid overtime?

Concerned Citizen Wrote:
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> This was posted in Principal Scott Poole's weekly
> Principal's Updates this week:
>
> "New Expectation Starting in 2011-2012: Beginning
> in September, all Lanier teachers will be expected
> to stay after school one day a week on a late bus
> day (Monday, Wednesday, or Thursday) to help their
> students. This expectation will be considered part
> of their teaching responsibilities, not part of
> our After-School Program. Similar to what is being
> done in many FCPS middle schools, we are asking
> teachers to fulfill this requirement to streamline
> our intervention and enrichment efforts. Earlier
> this year, many teachers expressed concern that
> Pride Time is not being optimized due to the
> competing demands they face. By asking teachers to
> stay after school on one late bus day each week,
> we will be able to address this issue. Starting in
> September, Pride Time will be designated solely
> for intervention and enrichment, while each
> teacher’s chosen day for after-school help will
> be designated for make-ups. I’m providing this
> notice well in advance so that our teachers can
> plan appropriately for this change. Thanks."
>
> Three years ago, the staff at Lanier was asked to
> change their daily TA (study hall) into an
> intervention class called Pride Time. The staff
> was promised at the time that Pride Time would
> replace any need for after school student help.
> Now, the staff is being told that they still must
> teach during Pride Time (not contractually correct
> since teachers are only paid to instruct in five
> classes and Pride Time makes six) and they must
> also stay after to teach. He is even saying here
> that this is considered part of teaching
> responsibilities, which is in violation of teacher
> contracts that state that their responsibilities
> are until 3:10.
>
> What are teachers being given in return? No
> raises in three years, an opportunity to pay for
> child care an additional afternoon a week, a
> greater opportunity to sit in traffic and use more
> gas at the later release time, and a micromanaged
> career.
>
> It is time for other citizens to speak up about
> what is going on at Lanier and other schools in
> the county. There is no union with real power,
> since Virginia is a Right to Work state, so
> concerned citizens who would like to see caring
> teachers retained need to speak up and take
> action.


1. The majority of middle schools in FCPS have been doing both of these things for years.
2. Look at your contract-and look at the part about 'other duties as assigned'. Requiring an hour after school fits in that, just like faculty meetings and department meetings do. Take it to your union, they have heard it before and know that he is well within his rights to require that.

Sorry that you are being forced to support student learning.

That school has been out of control for years. Many a bus driver has quit rather than be subjected to those kids, they are absolutely awful. I pulled over once to try get the bus under control and a kid told me "Bitch, shut the fuck up and drive". That kid scared me so bad I had dispatch call the cops. That was around the time of the Joyce Gregory incident and I was thinking of that (She is the TN school bus driver that wrote a kid up for smoking on the bus and the next day he emptied a .45 automatic into her) RIP, Joyce

I hate that the teachers have to stay late for free, BUT somebody has to be there if a late bus has to come back because of chaos on board!

I would think that 3.75 hours with a student a week for instruction in one subject, plus the potential for an addition 3 hours a week of Pride Time intervention, would be enough time to support "student learning" in a given week. Maybe somebody else should support student learning after 3:10.

Concerned citizen, I'm going to assume that you are a fellow middle school teacher and I have some advice - suck it up!

I've been at my middle school for over 9 years and it's been an expectation of that school since day one that you stay after school at least once per week on a late bus day.

And calling your principal a fascist? Check your contract. There's this little section about other assigned duties - this is one of those other assigned duties. So you leave school at 4:15 instead of 3:15 one day a week. Cry me a river and then get back to doing your damn job. It's people like you that make teachers like me look bad.



Concerned Citizen Wrote:
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> This was posted in Principal Scott Poole's weekly
> Principal's Updates this week:
>
> "New Expectation Starting in 2011-2012: Beginning
> in September, all Lanier teachers will be expected
> to stay after school one day a week on a late bus
> day (Monday, Wednesday, or Thursday) to help their
> students. This expectation will be considered part
> of their teaching responsibilities, not part of
> our After-School Program. Similar to what is being
> done in many FCPS middle schools, we are asking
> teachers to fulfill this requirement to streamline
> our intervention and enrichment efforts. Earlier
> this year, many teachers expressed concern that
> Pride Time is not being optimized due to the
> competing demands they face. By asking teachers to
> stay after school on one late bus day each week,
> we will be able to address this issue. Starting in
> September, Pride Time will be designated solely
> for intervention and enrichment, while each
> teacher’s chosen day for after-school help will
> be designated for make-ups. I’m providing this
> notice well in advance so that our teachers can
> plan appropriately for this change. Thanks."
>
> Three years ago, the staff at Lanier was asked to
> change their daily TA (study hall) into an
> intervention class called Pride Time. The staff
> was promised at the time that Pride Time would
> replace any need for after school student help.
> Now, the staff is being told that they still must
> teach during Pride Time (not contractually correct
> since teachers are only paid to instruct in five
> classes and Pride Time makes six) and they must
> also stay after to teach. He is even saying here
> that this is considered part of teaching
> responsibilities, which is in violation of teacher
> contracts that state that their responsibilities
> are until 3:10.
>
> What are teachers being given in return? No
> raises in three years, an opportunity to pay for
> child care an additional afternoon a week, a
> greater opportunity to sit in traffic and use more
> gas at the later release time, and a micromanaged
> career.
>
> It is time for other citizens to speak up about
> what is going on at Lanier and other schools in
> the county. There is no union with real power,
> since Virginia is a Right to Work state, so
> concerned citizens who would like to see caring
> teachers retained need to speak up and take
> action.

cry me a big fat river Wrote:
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> But you still have all summer off, 2 weeks at
> Christmas, 4 days at Thanksgiving, A week for
> spring break ?.....umm the rest of us are not too
> worked up that you have to stay after 3:10 for an
> hour or so one day a week...


You left out snow days. I wonder what my boss would say if I told him I'm not coming in today, looks like snow. Teachers really need a wakeup to what the real world is like.

I do know that there are a plethora of weekly meetings after school too at Lanier. I highly doubt the teachers are just being asked to stay after just one day a week without compensation.

Suck it up, are you guys being asked to teach six periods a day on a five period a day contract? I would say that these guys have already been sucking it up for a number of years, and this is just an additional way to violate contracts. The intervention programs were put into place during the day to get rid of the need for afterschool teacher remediation, so teachers could help out with other activities around the school in the afternoons (clubs, community service, intramurals, etc.) Now they are being asked to do the Pride Time, plus after school, and without any restitution.

Why don't you call the union. Maybe they can get you more time off and do less work. i am about tired of you lazy ass teachers bitching about how you have to work. You have it pretty easy. SHut up and just do your job or get another one.

A during-school intervention period is going to be the norm in FCPS middle schools in the near future, so again suck it up because this isn't going away.

Your whining is lame. God forbid you have to work with a concentrated group of at-risk kids to support their learning.

My school has equal numbers of LEP and SpecEd students, MORE kids on free and reduced lunch programs and MORE kids in the SOL "subgroups" and we're finding a way to make this intervention work. Why don't you do the same and quit your complaining.


Concerned Citizen Wrote:
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> Suck it up, are you guys being asked to teach six
> periods a day on a five period a day contract? I
> would say that these guys have already been
> sucking it up for a number of years, and this is
> just an additional way to violate contracts. The
> intervention programs were put into place during
> the day to get rid of the need for afterschool
> teacher remediation, so teachers could help out
> with other activities around the school in the
> afternoons (clubs, community service, intramurals,
> etc.) Now they are being asked to do the Pride
> Time, plus after school, and without any
> restitution.

Concerned Citizen's expressions are precisely what is wrong with public education.

Teachers, first and foremost, go into teaching because they want to teach; help kids; mold the future, etc. And thats very noble, it truly is. It is a crime that or society values other qualities.

BUT... Teaching hours are hardly difficult, by any standard. Ever. In terms of difficulty, teaching is one cunt hair above working for the government.

Please stop bitching about your fucking hours, its pitiful.

Concerned Citizen Wrote:
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> This was posted in Principal Scott Poole's weekly
> Principal's Updates this week:
>
> "New Expectation Starting in 2011-2012: Beginning
> in September, all Lanier teachers will be expected
> to stay after school one day a week on a late bus
> day (Monday, Wednesday, or Thursday) to help their
> students. This expectation will be considered part
> of their teaching responsibilities, not part of
> our After-School Program. Similar to what is being
> done in many FCPS middle schools, we are asking
> teachers to fulfill this requirement to streamline
> our intervention and enrichment efforts. Earlier
> this year, many teachers expressed concern that
> Pride Time is not being optimized due to the
> competing demands they face. By asking teachers to
> stay after school on one late bus day each week,
> we will be able to address this issue. Starting in
> September, Pride Time will be designated solely
> for intervention and enrichment, while each
> teacher’s chosen day for after-school help will
> be designated for make-ups. I’m providing this
> notice well in advance so that our teachers can
> plan appropriately for this change. Thanks."
>
> Three years ago, the staff at Lanier was asked to
> change their daily TA (study hall) into an
> intervention class called Pride Time. The staff
> was promised at the time that Pride Time would
> replace any need for after school student help.
> Now, the staff is being told that they still must
> teach during Pride Time (not contractually correct
> since teachers are only paid to instruct in five
> classes and Pride Time makes six) and they must
> also stay after to teach. He is even saying here
> that this is considered part of teaching
> responsibilities, which is in violation of teacher
> contracts that state that their responsibilities
> are until 3:10.
>
> What are teachers being given in return? No
> raises in three years, an opportunity to pay for
> child care an additional afternoon a week, a
> greater opportunity to sit in traffic and use more
> gas at the later release time, and a micromanaged
> career.
>
> It is time for other citizens to speak up about
> what is going on at Lanier and other schools in
> the county. There is no union with real power,
> since Virginia is a Right to Work state, so
> concerned citizens who would like to see caring
> teachers retained need to speak up and take
> action.




I worked at Lainer till 2002 when Liberty Middle School Opened. I still know people at Lainer and they hate Dr.Poole. you should have switch when Andera Left as principal. thie school had like 4 principal since 2002

OP, I bet Noonan would have done the same thing. Would you have called him a Facist?

Jesus Christ, teachers like you make me sick.

these are the same hypocritical assholes who say "its for the kids" when they want more money. now they have to work and they bitch like there is no tomorrow

How passive-aggressive can one poster get? "Concerned Citizen" should have posted her name as "Tired Teacher". This is what I hate about how people handle this type of stuff;
1) Call someone a fascist (over-reaction/name-calling)

2) Post as a third person who thinks that this is an abomination but in reality its really someone pleading for their own self intrerest

3)Willing to stand up as someone else and plead their case when in reality they won't even stand up for themselves.


If you REALLY ARE a Concerned Citizen, name yourself as such. This has is much more weight than if its written by a teacher who has been under-valued by the system. Lady, we are ALL under-valued, take a number.

But please, please do not insult our intelligence by pretending to post as a "Concerned Citizen" to drum up some support for your pitiful plight when you are actually a disgruntled worker that thinly veils themselves as someone who really cares about the kids.

We had a guy a few weeks back get fired because he refused to work more than an eight hour day. He needs to become a teacher.

No big deal working an extra hour a week. Deal with it. I think most teachers in Fairfax are awesome. This person is just lazy.

If there actually was something to complain about regarding Poole and Lanier, wouldnt it be the fact that the school is/was being overrun by mold for a long time after that botched renovation. Rumor has it that Poole and others in the county covered up and down played the whole situation which exposed the kids, teachers, parents, anyone who came into the building to horrible breathing conditions.

Story is that a bunch of teachers from Lanier left sick and are suing the pants off the builders. The builders are planning on settling out of court from all reports. FCPS found a way to remove themselves from the situation. Score another one for the government!

Community Guy Wrote:
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> No big deal working an extra hour a week. Deal
> with it. I think most teachers in Fairfax are
> awesome. This person is just lazy.

Seriously! I've been teaching middle school for 9.5 years in FCPS and it's tools like the OP that make the rest of us look bad. I love my job, I love the benefits, and I know I have a cherry deal. The least I can do is bust my ass to make sure my students leave my classroom with a good understanding of the standards and are prepared for next year. If that takes an extra hour after school once a week then so be it. The OP needs to remove the stick from his/her ass and remember why they got into the profession in the first place.

"Suck it up":

We parents truly appreciate dedicated teachers like you!

BTW, in my nonprofit job outside the education sector, I often work beyond my paid 40 hours per week without complaint. In fact, after 15 years of year-round, 40+-hour jobs, I still had not reached pay parity with most teachers.

However, I don't resent teachers' pay or benefits--I think the dedicated teachers who are truly focused on students deserve their generous time off and their pensions. But I do resent complaints like this OP's!

Lanier got 7 kids into TJ last year. That's pretty good relly. Franklin MS only got 3. Now that's pretty pathetic. Anyone know what's wrong with that school? Seems like a better location than Lanier.

Suck it up Wrote:
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> Community Guy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No big deal working an extra hour a week. Deal
> > with it. I think most teachers in Fairfax are
> > awesome. This person is just lazy.
>
> Seriously! I've been teaching middle school for
> 9.5 years in FCPS and it's tools like the OP that
> make the rest of us look bad. I love my job, I
> love the benefits, and I know I have a cherry
> deal. The least I can do is bust my ass to make
> sure my students leave my classroom with a good
> understanding of the standards and are prepared
> for next year. If that takes an extra hour after
> school once a week then so be it. The OP needs to
> remove the stick from his/her ass and remember why
> they got into the profession in the first place.


Sadly, I think you are in the minority. Either that or the losuy job your union does of representing you makes everyone this most teachers are like the OP.

I AGREE, I WORK AT A LARGE SCHOOL, NOT AS A TEACHER, STAY OUT OF THE FACULTY LOT AFTER THE BUSSES LEAVE UNLESS YOU WANT ROAD RAGE BY THOSE HAULING ASS OUT

I'm not a real fan of the teachers here and don't sympathize with them on most issues. However, I would at least implore you to be honest with your arguments. Check the school calendar again. Since when does Dec. 23-Jan 2, non-inclusive, equal two weeks? You count Saturday and Sunday for Thanksgiving? Come on make your point but don't lie about it.

Did any body think that if they had teachers drive the school buses before and after they ar teaching how much that would save the county? Its a revolutionary idea that no one said on this boared before. The bus drivers who drive now would not be out of work because they would be offered additional work and get paid more which would attack more. every body wins.

hello woodson

Gotta say, those parents and non-teachers commenting above - especially the ones with non-constructive phrases like "grow a sack" - should step up and home-school since those lazy butts in the buildings don't prioritize very well.

Nobody mentioned that all that "time off" is uncompensated.

I am so sick of teachers bitching. You're underpaid?!? I think I can say the majority of us are and we work year round. You have the option to be paid year round while you lay out at the pool or spend two weeks with your family during Christmas. I have seen the most pathetic, lazy and plain out hateful teachers during my child's time at Providence Elementary, it's embarrassing. Clearly teachers want all their students to be doped up on adhd medication so they don't have to deal with actual CHILDREN. Unless you are a teacher reading this bullshit post about wahhh wahhh working a bit of overtime (if you can even call it that) for free... Bitch to others because us working 40 PLUS hours 52 weeks per year, do not give a flying fuck. Get another job. Give your job to a teacher who actually wants to work that overtime to ensure their students are taken care of. So tired of it.

A teacher is NOT paid on any day they do not work - that includes winter, spring and summer breaks, or gov't holidays. They work way past their hours by arriving early and leaving late. They are not paid to spend extra time with your kid after core hours, they are not paid to sponsor clubs, they are not paid when they do lesson planning and grading at home. A teacher contract is for 194 days and that is it!
A FCPS teacher is paid less than surrounding areas and if you cared you would want them paid better so that they stay at your kid's school instead of looking to leave for for better pay.

It is wrong of you to ask a teacher to leave his/her job because they won't work extra for no pay. I doubt you'd work for no pay.

If parents were more involved, helped with homework and ensured it was done, maybe the teachers could go home on time!

Sorry you were shown no respect.

Lanier Middle School also rents out its premises to the Harvest Bible Chapel, founded by convicted forcible sodomite, James Craig Summers. Something is NOT RIGHT about that!

From the Washington Post May 9, 2012

James Craig Summers, 55, of Burke, was arrested Tuesday and charged with forcible sodomy, Prince William County police said.

Summers, a patrol officer in the Reston District in Fairfax County, has been relieved of duty after five years on the force, said Lucy Caldwell, a Fairfax County police spokeswoman.

The victim, a 42-year-old Manassas woman, reported to police that Summers sexually assaulted her between September 1 and October 31 of 2009 in her home, Prince William County police said.

At the time, Summers and the victim were involved in a relationship, police said.

Summers is being held without bond, police said, and online court records do not indicate whether he has an attorney. He is scheduled to appear in court on July 18.

Why is he on school grounds? Fairfax County School Grounds?

Or is it just his people?

The fact that your principal is a facist shouldn't surprise you. These people are about power. Power over students, power over parents and power over teachers.

Teachers, parents and students should rise up against the administration of FCPS.

This is a good start.

at least the parents and students aren't afraid of losing their job.

parents have got to stop blaming the teachers for everything

this surprises you why? Wrote:
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> The fact that your principal is a facist shouldn't
> surprise you. These people are about power. Power
> over students, power over parents and power over
> teachers.
>
> Teachers, parents and students should rise up
> against the administration of FCPS.


What is a facist anyway? Is it someone who doesn't like people with faces?

lisah is off her meds. This is why I feel Principals are not paid enough. 99% of the parents are fine but 1% like lisah are just plain nuts. Nuts in combination with a deluded sense of protecting offspring equals an '11' on the pain-in-the-ass nutjob scale. Seriously, I would bet lisah takes up 10% of the administrations time dedicated for ALL parents. They probably spend hours dealing with her issues at the expense of many many others.

Ive seen this in the middle school my kids are in now. One parent that goes ballistic over everything and anything. I saw the same parent spend hours in PTA meetings complaining about programs, elections everything. On back to school night I saw same parent take over an English orientation because a book to be taught dealt with a topic he thought inappropriate. We learned nothing because the short 10 min the teacher had to talk to the 30 parents was spent placating this idiot that thought a contemporary title was too violent (he didnt seem to mind Macbeth).

Everything is not life or death in school. Everyone sees things that can be improved but figurative bomb-throwing just pisses people off and casts you as a nut job. lisah I genuinely feel sorry for your children. You need help.

Posted by: you need helpdear ()
Date: February 29, 2016 07:12P


lisah is off her meds. This is why I feel Principals are not paid enough. 99% of the parents are fine but 1% like lisah are just plain nuts.

99% of parents are fine? You have talked to 99% of parents? Wow.

Stop blaming the teachers everybody.

You are "concerned" therefore. house wife.