Hello all,

Ive been accepted as a transfer to U. Mary Washington for this coming fall as a Political Science major and was wondering if anyone could voice an opinion on this school. From what I understand the social life isn't that great but overall the school has a better prestige factor than JMU and is in the Top 5 in VA overall.

My plan is to try to get into a law school to get my JD afterwards. Am I choosing the right school?

so what were your choices? and don't say UVa or W&M. Did you make the right choice; probably a moot point isn't it cuz it's not like you're turning down Harvard.

Just make sure you go to UVA for your JD.

I applied to UVa as well and still havent gotten a response yet (notification day is May 1) but Im being realistic in thinking that I probably won't get in. Other than that my choices are JMU, VCU, GMU, Radford, ODU, CNU and maybe Tech (havent heard from them yet either). I did some research and Mary Wash. seems to have a strong Social Science program with Poli. Sci. being their largest major. Harvard? Probably could have out of high school but I chose the U.S. Air Force Academy instead. Spent 2 years there.

i just got accepted as a transfer student too.
my options are between jmu and UMW ....
i like how UMW is smaller school and is known to be academically better than JMU..
I like that it is not far from ffx county/washington DC...

However, JMU has a lot more going on in the social scene, which is a big plus in my opinion...

i beleive UMW is like 70 percent chicks...and jmu is somewhat similar

I know jmu has hot chicks, but does UMW?

hows the party/bar scene around UMW campus?

student Wrote:
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> I applied to UVa as well and still havent gotten a
> response yet (notification day is May 1) but Im
> being realistic in thinking that I probably won't
> get in. Other than that my choices are JMU, VCU,
> GMU, Radford, ODU, CNU and maybe Tech (havent
> heard from them yet either). I did some research
> and Mary Wash. seems to have a strong Social
> Science program with Poli. Sci. being their
> largest major. Harvard? Probably could have out of
> high school but I chose the U.S. Air Force Academy
> instead. Spent 2 years there.

Did you funk out of the F academy? I've heard it has alot of sexual haraassment and evangelists. Sounds awful to me, but Colorado Springs is nice.

No, my father was diagnosed with a late stage Cancer and it was more important to me and my family to be at home during this time in our lives. However, he has made a recovery and I am not able to start school again (but thanks, asshole).

@samesies!
To be honest everything I've read says that its quiet and not really a party scene. In all seriousness I think Im going with UMW because it has the academic prestige and I really do want to focus and get good grades so I can advance to my JD.
(70% chicks is nice too and hell even if some arent the best looking, odds are in our favor)

Anyone else have an opinion?

student Wrote:
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> Hello all,
>
> Ive been accepted as a transfer to U. Mary
> Washington for this coming fall as a Political
> Science major and was wondering if anyone could
> voice an opinion on this school. From what I
> understand the social life isn't that great but
> overall the school has a better prestige factor
> than JMU and is in the Top 5 in VA overall.
>
> My plan is to try to get into a law school to get
> my JD afterwards. Am I choosing the right school?


One of my kids is at UMW in her 4th year of a 5 year plan. She wishes she could get into JMU. I would put JMU above UMW in every catagory. Both are good schools however. Just study hard and try for law school, get a good job and enjoy life.

student Wrote:
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> No, my father was diagnosed with a late stage
> Cancer and it was more important to me and my
> family to be at home during this time in our
> lives. However, he has made a recovery and I am
> not able to start school again (but thanks,
> asshole).
>
> @samesies!
> To be honest everything I've read says that its
> quiet and not really a party scene. In all
> seriousness I think Im going with UMW because it
> has the academic prestige and I really do want to
> focus and get good grades so I can advance to my
> JD.
> (70% chicks is nice too and hell even if some
> arent the best looking, odds are in our favor)
>
> Anyone else have an opinion?


A big drop from AF Academy to a school like Mary Washington. A neighbor girl went there to be teacher and works in a construction office now. I'm just surprised you can't get into a better school than that after AF Academy and all - unless there is more to the story.

Mary Wash is a fine school. I have lots of friends who went there and graduated in the past 10 years and all are doing fine with good paying jobs and home ownership. The bar scene is good in Fred-Vegas with plenty of new bars opening in the last 3 years but no real "college bars"...stay away from the bars in Central Park as that is where the red necks and bruthas frequent and frequently there are issuses that require the police. I would say the "party" scene is weak.

Mary Washington, academic prestige??? According to whom? That's the best laugh i've had in months.

Nothing else to the story my gpa was like a 2.5 (no one is focused on school the first year there trust me). Simply not high enough for schools like uva.

I went to UVa for my JD and went to a much less prestigious UG. UMW will not hinder you in your quest to go to law school. Even if you want to go to UVa Law, which is insanely competitive these days, you should be fine. However, you can't half-ass it at UMW. If you come from a mediocre undergrad, you have to graduate at the top of your class (I graduated 3rd) and clean up on your LSAT. The median LSAT at UVa is 170 now, which is the 99th percentile. Median GPA is 3.85. Go to UMW, but kick ass there and study hard for your LSAT. Just wanted to give you the facts.

Student Wrote:
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> Nothing else to the story my gpa was like a 2.5
> (no one is focused on school the first year there
> trust me). Simply not high enough for schools like
> uva.


Ouch. Well, improve that GPA and do well on the LSAT. If you don't get that GPA up there isn't a single decent law school that will take you.

Mary Washington tends to accept a lot of disabled people. Every meal I eat at the dining hall is interrupted by this schizophrenic retard who speaks really loudly and butts into everyone's conversation.

Anyone with input on this please share:

Assuming I do well for my last two years at UMW, we'll call it 3.5 or higher, and do well on LSAT (160+), how would i stand for UVa law?

student Wrote:
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> Anyone with input on this please share:
>
> Assuming I do well for my last two years at UMW,
> we'll call it 3.5 or higher, and do well on LSAT
> (160+), how would i stand for UVa law?

not good. median gpa there is 3.85 and median LSAT is 170. Plus poly sci major from an undistinguished undergrad institution and you're looking at George Mason at best.

is mary washington really that bad of a school? i always assumed that W&M, UVA were the best in VA but I thought that 3rd place was always a tossup between VT and UMW, depending on major?

You kidding? UMW is academically matched with JMU.

student Wrote:
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> is mary washington really that bad of a school? i
> always assumed that W&M, UVA were the best in VA
> but I thought that 3rd place was always a tossup
> between VT and UMW, depending on major?

you're just looking at in-state universities. Applicants to the UVA law school come from all over the country including the Ivies.

student Wrote:
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> Anyone with input on this please share:
>
> Assuming I do well for my last two years at UMW,
> we'll call it 3.5 or higher, and do well on LSAT
> (160+), how would i stand for UVa law?

To be honest, you won't have a chance, unless you're black or hispanic. Law school admissions is about simple math. They only care about your numbers, and for the top schools that's even more the case. Unless you meet their thresholds, your chances of getting in if you're white or an "over-represented" minority are slim to none, even with an amazing back story. If you're low on the GPA scale, you have to kill it on the LSAT score, and vice versa. With a 3.5 (cumulative) and 165, you'd still be at the very bottom of the applicant pool. I'm sure you're a very smart and capable person, but it's good to be realistic about your chances. Law school is no joke. It's monstrously competitive.

Student, you think that Mary Washington compares with Virginia Tech in ANY way? That is just delusional. Seriously.

I know tech has a great engineering program as well as comp. sci. but they are definently lacking in the social science program. for my intended major, umw definently ranks higher than tech (u.s. world and news).

anyone else?

I would put Mary Washington below:

JMU
VT
GMU

It isn't even close in my mind. And apparently it isn't even close in the minds of the people at US News and World Report.

the school is named after a chick.

nuff said

She was a whore.

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Just to clarify - To support your assertion that this clown college, Mary Washington, is on par with OR BETTER THAN Va TEch in some catagory, you site as your source, "u.s. world and news". I find no record of any such publication. And if we assume you mean "U.S. News And World Report", please provide at least an appoximate date for an article making this claim, because it is laughable. I'm sorry, but ending your post with "anyone else?" as though you really put me in my place - using such a bogus assertion - is not going to cut it. If 'The Wash' is the best school you can get into, godspeed and good luck.

Political Science? Social Science? I'd be less concerned with what school you are attending and more with what the hell are you going to do with those degrees?

If your degrees won't get you much more than a job at a zoo, who cares about "prestige"? And I assure you that no one cares where you went to school after you are out. I understand that is seemingly important, but after your first job no one gives the slightest crap where you went to school, only that you did.

justsayin Wrote:
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> Political Science? Social Science? I'd be less
> concerned with what school you are attending and
> more with what the hell are you going to do with
> those degrees?
>
> If your degrees won't get you much more than a job
> at a zoo, who cares about "prestige"? And I
> assure you that no one cares where you went to
> school after you are out. I understand that is
> seemingly important, but after your first job no
> one gives the slightest crap where you went to
> school, only that you did.

You new to the area? This town is full of contractors and gov't hacks with political science degrees. Hell, I bet a good % of lawyers in this town have that or a history degree.

The fact is that many students pursuing a JD spot choose to major in Political Science, History, and so on (social science) to establish a foundation for their law studies in the future. That being said, a political science degree alone is probably close to worthless and I recognize this, hence the questioning about Law school. UMW does boast a strong political science department and is known to be more academically focused than many other VA universities.

Im not deadset on the school but simply asking opinions.

http://www.4icu.org/us/Virginia.htm

does u agrees with dem rankings from dis her web pagge??

VCU? 4th? Really?
GMU? I know its a decent school but 3rd???
W&M? 6th? come on! thats not right. should be next to UVA? right?
and as far as UMW....its ranked 17th....hmmm didnt see that one coming either.

Used to party down there, the all girls dorms are where it's at...lots of easy tail at that college..errr University lol....had friends that went there over the course of 5 years,.......good quality tail there..easy too...lol

So you used to party down there....that means the school really does have some parties? good to hear.

so easy tail huh? are the women there generally homely looking or kinda hot?

so maybe it is worth going to???

its only an hour away... If u dont get lucky theres always time to drive back and hit up the lamb center

been there, done that.

Was this poster serious when comparing this school to JMU or GMU. Mary Washington is no where near the level of either of those schools. I'd say it's below ODU and VCU as well.

Dispute if you want but:

1. UVA
2. W&M
3. VT
4. GMU
5. JMU

Mary Washington a little ahead of Radford somewhere lower on the list.

Student - 'anyone else?'

OP - collegeconfidential com is a good resource for these kinds of discussions/questions.

the truth speaks Wrote:
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> Was this poster serious when comparing this school
> to JMU or GMU. Mary Washington is no where near
> the level of either of those schools. I'd say
> it's below ODU and VCU as well.
>
> Dispute if you want but:
>
> 1. UVA
> 2. W&M
> 3. VT
> 4. GMU
> 5. JMU
>
> Mary Washington a little ahead of Radford
> somewhere lower on the list.


I would put GMU, JMU and UMW all on the same level, with Radford and ODU tied below them. However, student is probably correct in terms of how law schools might view a poli sci degree...UMW would rank higher than VA Tech. As would GMU (not sure about JMU's Poli Sci rep)

i enrolled at UMW a semester ago and I can tell you from the admissions requirements, UMW is on par with JMU.

It is nearly as competitive if not the same level. It's almost certainly much easier to get into GMU.

also, UMW's computer science department is rather up and coming. it's weirdly good and gets you set for engineering school

Student:

you're not gonna get into UVA Law with those scores from Mary Washington. Your best bet would be GMU law school, but that's gotten more selective now too.
U of Richmond Law School maybe. Your best bet would be the Appalachia Law School in Grundy, VA. Yes they did have a terrible shooting there several years back, but that is no reason to scratch it off your list with the credentials you have.

student Wrote:
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> Anyone with input on this please share:
>
> Assuming I do well for my last two years at UMW,
> we'll call it 3.5 or higher, and do well on LSAT
> (160+), how would i stand for UVa law?


Not a chance. LSAT will need to be 170+.

ITRADE Wrote:
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> student Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anyone with input on this please share:
> >
> > Assuming I do well for my last two years at
> UMW,
> > we'll call it 3.5 or higher, and do well on
> LSAT
> > (160+), how would i stand for UVa law?
>
>
> Not a chance. LSAT will need to be 170+.


Where have you been, ITRADE? Practicing International Law in Italy again?

I'be been working here. March was a bitch of a month. Not going overseas until about June.

ITRADE Wrote:
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> I'be been working here. March was a bitch of a
> month. Not going overseas until about June.


The James Bond of Immigration Law, huh?

Sorry, no immigration law done here. Immigrants don't pay - ergo, not going to be here - unless its a pro bono matter through DC Bar.

ITRADE Wrote:
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> Sorry, no immigration law done here. Immigrants
> don't pay - ergo, not going to be here - unless
> its a pro bono matter through DC Bar.


But I thought the law firm you worked at ( http://www.kschaeferlaw.com ) with offices in both the District and Reston specialized in Immigration Law?

Sorry that ain't where I work but thanks for playing.

ITRADE Wrote:
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>Sorry, no immigration law done here. Immigrants don't pay - ergo, not going to be here - unless its a pro bono matter through DC Bar.


That's bullshit...there are immigrants who pay big bucks to come here legally. You really must be a paralegal!


> Sorry that ain't where I work but thanks for
> playing.


That's a lie. You work at http://www.kschaeferlaw.com.

Yawn, your show is boring me. Try some new material.

ITRADE Wrote:
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> Yawn, your show is boring me. Try some new
> material.


Itrade, get off my computer and get back to the copy room and finish those fucking copies!


BTW, yyyyeeeaaaahhhh....I'm going to need you to come in on Saturday to finish those TPS reports.

student Wrote:
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> The fact is that many students pursuing a JD spot
> choose to major in Political Science, History, and
> so on (social science) to establish a foundation
> for their law studies in the future.

Makes sense, I hadn't considered using it as the undergrad portion for a law degree.


> That being
> said, a political science degree alone is probably
> close to worthless

... which is why I posted a similar opinion, those people didn't move on to law school.

Anyone placing the GMU commuter school above JMU in a category listing is getting too beat up in study rooms to be thinking clearly.

Here's whats wrong with UMW.

It's called UMW.

Is the town/state the school is in called "Mary Washington?" No. Therefore, it should be called "Mary Washington University". When you say "The University of..." it is nearly ALWAYS a location. UVa, UPenn, UNC, the list goes on. If the university is named after a PERSON or other non-location it is "___ ____ University". JMU, GMU, GWU, the list goes on.

I'm from Fburg and this still bugs the crap out of me.

ALSO, when UMW changed their name from MWC to UMW, wouldn't it have been easier to only change one word on all of the signs around campus from "College" to "University?"

Ugh, don't go there based soley on this stupid oversight.

the dumbest rich kids in my High School went to Elon, (Motto: If Your Dad's Checks Clear, You Get A "B") and the poor ones went to The Wash. btw i was jealous, they always had better drugs and got laid a LOT.

Is the general consensus that umw is a poor university, average, above average, or outstanding in regards to a political science degree?

4444REALL? Wrote:
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> So you used to party down there....that means the
> school really does have some parties? good to
> hear.
>
> so easy tail huh? are the women there generally
> homely looking or kinda hot?
>
> so maybe it is worth going to???



There used to be a place called the "shark club" back in the day...prior to all that central park stuff getting built up....they closed that spot down years ago...but I'm sure something has fired up since....

Girls there are about as easy as radford girls....and considering (at least back then) it used to be an all girls college...then morphed into a co ed college...the male to female ratio was sitll way off...and most of the guys that went there were liberal pussy fag type guys.....the WM girls seemed to enjoy the "real man" type and trust me, you don't need to be a metrosexual to get tail down there...or at least you didn't....just have SOME game....and you will enjoy some fun......

cheers to the best years of your life !

I'd say average, doesn't have a negative reputation, but al ot of people look at it as a second tier state university.

I think that Mary Wash has an above average reputation. When I went there (last century) it was a tough school to get in to, but it was tougher once you were there. I graduated with a Poli Sci degree and enjoyed the courses. Most of my professors are not there any more, but the department chair, Dr. Kramer is still there.

I teach 12 graders, so I am in tune with what type of students are being accepted to Mary Wash and it seems that the same type of student is being accepted to JMU, Virginia Tech and Mary Washington. I would still consider UVA and William & Mary ahead of Mary Wash. Based on who is being accepted, Mary Washington is ahead of Radford and CNU.

Social life is what you make it. No greek life when I was there, but I found plenty of ways to get myself in to trouble. Good luck.

MWC Alum Wrote:
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> I teach 12 graders, so I am in tune with what type
> of students are being accepted to Mary Wash and it
> seems that the same type of student is being
> accepted to JMU, Virginia Tech and Mary
> Washington.

As a freshmen at Mary Washington I'll admit it's a lot easier to get into than Virginia Tech, James Madison and George Mason. VT and JMU were my top two choices and unfortunatelly I did not get in. I then did not get into my back up which was GMU. It came down to a decision between Mary Washinton, VCU and Radford and I chose UMW primarilly for location. I do like the school a lot, but to assert that this school has the same academic standards or qualifications of a VT or JMU is absurd. I know quite a few kids here in the same boat I was in last year. I still hope to transfer to Tech in a year or so, just have to keep doing well here.

UMW Freshmen Wrote:
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> MWC Alum Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I teach 12 graders, so I am in tune with what
> type
> > of students are being accepted to Mary Wash and
> it
> > seems that the same type of student is being
> > accepted to JMU, Virginia Tech and Mary
> > Washington.
>
> As a freshmen at Mary Washington I'll admit it's a
> lot easier to get into than Virginia Tech, James
> Madison and George Mason. VT and JMU were my top
> two choices and unfortunatelly I did not get in.
> I then did not get into my back up which was GMU.
> It came down to a decision between Mary Washinton,
> VCU and Radford and I chose UMW primarilly for
> location. I do like the school a lot, but to
> assert that this school has the same academic
> standards or qualifications of a VT or JMU is
> absurd. I know quite a few kids here in the same
> boat I was in last year. I still hope to transfer
> to Tech in a year or so, just have to keep doing
> well here.

Just stay put and have a good time. It's not like anyone will be "wowed" by either Tech or UMW on your resume. It's not like you're transferring to W&M or UVa.

I had a friend go there, and the one thing I like is the High girl-to-guy ratio.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

I literally just got back from UMW....its beautiful down there,,,but i cant say the same thing about the girls........they were horrendous looking.

Maybe you can find some chicks who want to experiment with guys for a change...

Does anyone have information on where transfers should look for housing there? Off campus and not associayed with the university? Preferebly with other transfers?

Bump

I thought it was an all-girl school. Dudes go to that college?

Yes it is now a co-ed university and has been for a while (dunno when they changed it). Its still something like 65-75% girls though. Im still looking for some information on housing off campus w/o university housing

You can go from umw to uva law, I personally know plenty of people who did that and better. Some of them didn't even have related majors, like studio art. Just be smart and impressive, it doesn't matter what school you go to. I graduated from umw, there is no party scene for undergrads, the academics depend on the major and the student, and there is no greek life so don't expect a job handed to you after school unless you personally have contacts beforehand. Also, please be less immature when talking about my alma mater and don't ask ridiculous hypotheticals about getting into law school - it just shows you're not ready to go.

hey informed - fuck you!

ill just go to tech so i dont end up being a umw loser like yourself. but thanks, d-bag!

Informed Wrote:
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> You can go from umw to uva law, I personally know
> plenty of people who did that and better. Some of
> them didn't even have related majors, like studio
> art. Just be smart and impressive, it doesn't
> matter what school you go to. I graduated from
> umw, there is no party scene for undergrads, the
> academics depend on the major and the student, and
> there is no greek life so don't expect a job
> handed to you after school unless you personally
> have contacts beforehand. Also, please be less
> immature when talking about my alma mater and
> don't ask ridiculous hypotheticals about getting
> into law school - it just shows you're not ready
> to go.

I graduated from UVa Law and I've never met or heard of a UMW graduate at the law school. Not to say it hasn't happened, but the kids who are smart enough to get into UVa Law tend to come from the best undergrads in the country. In my class, UVa, Harvard, Dartmouth, Duke and Yale were the most highly represented undergrads. If you want academics, you don't go to a place like UMW. UVa Law is one of the most difficult law schools to get into in the country.

thank you, urban siffler. ive decided against umw (just not that great of a school). can u post your stats when u applied for uva law? (if you remember them)

I applied a decade ago. It's a much harder school to get into now than it ever was when I was applying. The law school accepts about 10% of applicants. GPA median is 3.8 and the LSAT median is 170. I got in with a 3.8 GPA from a private New England college and a 168, which was the 97th percentile.

some of you sound like you come from money - not everyone does.

i know umw grads - they are quite smart and have good jobs. to the person who was recently admitted as a transfer, i am sure you will enjoy your time there and you will be succesful in the future.

college admissions is a different ballgame today. i graduated over 25 years ago from an out-of-state university but work with many va college grads. many of us have recently taken our kids through the college process and we compared notes.

fairfax co kids are at a complete disadvantage. our student population is 2.5 times prince william, the next largest district. kids from the larger high schools have an uphill battle. it doesn't matter how smart your kid is, what matters is that they are smarter than everyone else in their high school. the grading scale was recently changed and now there could be 90 kids in a senior class of 750 with a 4.0-4.5 gpa. a 4.0 might get you into tech. a 4.0 with 9 AP's (this means you have to almost be a college sophomore to apply for the freshman class) will not get you into uva if you are from fairfax. a 3.8 on the old grading scale would get you into jmu - not sure what it is now. part of this is because (1) the state of virginia accepts a lower percentage of in-state students because they want the out-of-state tuition; (2) uva is considered a small state university compared to penn state, ohio state, univ of wisconsin, rutgers, suny, etc.; (3) fairfax county is one of the largest school districts in the nation.

everyone talks about wm - it is only good if you want a liberal arts or business curriculum - no engineering student would ever consider that school. many kids who were admitted did not feel like they fit in and only went because they are considering law school. almost everyone who graduates from there goes on to get a masters because they can't get a job with a bachelors in a liberal arts major. so, unless you have money or want to take out loans, this school is not a choice for many.

when the economy took out the 529 plans, many kids could only afford to apply to an in-state college. this jacked all of the va school admissions up. kids who seek business, engineering, pre-med, art or homeland security, and a sports program, look at odu and vcu. many kids at odu, vcu and radford had 3.7's. kids who seek a business school in a suburban setting, and a sports program, with a lot of caucasians look at jmu, gmu and radford. jmu is known as the 3.8 white girls campus - not being prejudice, just a fact. kids who want a smaller school without sports look at cnu, longwood, umw - many kids at these schools also had 3.7's. many fairfax county kids were not admitted into any virginia schools last year or this year.

It is a great school as long as someone else pays.

The post by "college today" is very discouraging. Can you name any private schools in Virginia that have strong academics and are worth the money (if a person has the money)? I have not lived in VA very long and wonder what the reputations of those schools are.

Urban Siffler Wrote:
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> I graduated from UVa Law and I've never met or
> heard of a UMW graduate at the law school. Not to
> say it hasn't happened, but the kids who are smart
> enough to get into UVa Law tend to come from the
> best undergrads in the country. In my class, UVa,
> Harvard, Dartmouth, Duke and Yale were the most
> highly represented undergrads. If you want
> academics, you don't go to a place like UMW. UVa
> Law is one of the most difficult law schools to
> get into in the country.

You might want to check out current stats. According to UVa's own information recent classes have included students from 120-150 undergraduate schools. The nation's elite undergraduate schools do send a number of graduates to UVa Law, but there are also a number from other institutions. In a couple of recent classes there were more students from Virginia Tech than from Harvard, and students from Mary Washington have been represented in some prior classes. The big challenge would appear to be getting the necessary LSAT score (around 170).

Wow, that is NOT a pretty picture. THere is ZERO chance that I would get in now to the school I went to....

if you check out UVA law's website everything is broken down quite nicely.

i made the decision to go to tech after looking at the stats on their page (UVA law). they def. take more people from tech than UMW and that number floats around witht the average number of people they take from ivies. on top of that, 40% of UVA laws seats are reserved for VA residents, which means they probably give preference of some sort to the good VA schools (william and mary, VT).

UMW may be up and coming, but for my purposes tech will give me a better shot, statistically.

student Wrote:
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> if you check out UVA law's website everything is
> broken down quite nicely.
>
> i made the decision to go to tech after looking at
> the stats on their page (UVA law). they def. take
> more people from tech than UMW and that number
> floats around witht the average number of people
> they take from ivies. on top of that, 40% of UVA
> laws seats are reserved for VA residents, which
> means they probably give preference of some sort
> to the good VA schools (william and mary, VT).
>
> UMW may be up and coming, but for my purposes tech
> will give me a better shot, statistically.

Apparently you don't know much about statistics. There are only 4,398 undergraduates at UMW compared to 23,567. That means if only 1 UMW student got into UVA law, you are stastically more likely to get into there than from Tech. Plus, genius, you don't know how many applied from each school. If this is the level of thinking at VT, go to UMW.

hey genius, do you have FUCKING EYES? in the last two years, NO ONE from umw has gone to uva law. Ask any uva law grad aabout how many umw grads were in their class? none? one?

i love people that get on ffxunderground just to talk shit. in reality you probably went to a shit college and now work a shit job. talking shit on here gives you your boner for the day. congrats.

student Wrote:
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> in reality you probably went to a shit
> college

says the tech grad. lol

Student, where did you get your info? In the last couple of years the info I've seen only tells which schools sent 5 or more students to UVa law. Before that you do see UMW students being admitted in 2009 and 2011. Now if the Holy Grail is UVa Law I'd suggest looking at Brigham Young. It appears a SAT of 1370 (out of 1600) should get you in there undergrad and how many BYU students apply to UVa Law. However you'd still need to come up with that pesky 170 on the LSAT.

This thread is laughable - ranking Tech over UMW? Not a chance.
I graduated from Mary Washington College in 1998, at that time, it was ranked well above Va Tech (Tech was my fallback school) and well above GMU (I didn't even bother applying to GMU, I was told my high school would get me a spot there if for some reason I didn't get into any colleges). I believe it was comparable with JMU, though I didn't apply there either. The school has only grown in prestige since that time.
I was a poli sci major and went on to Penn State Law. A number of kids in my class were accepted to UVA Law as well as other prestigious law schools. The same poli sci professors are still there and are all excellent instructors.
If you want a good degree from a good school, UMW should be your choice.

"A number of kids in my class were accepted to UVA Law as well as other prestigious law schools."

Proof or it didn't happen. Who in their right mind turns down a perennial top-10 law school with top job and clerkship placement to go to a regional law school? You're full or doodoo. Second, so what? You act as if gonig to Penn State is a resonable proxy for getting into UVa Law. Are you nuts? They're not even on the same planet competetively.

I go to umw and to find parties you just have to have good connections

Think about the guys in your high school who went to UVA. They were a bunch of preppy fags. Would you really want to hang around them in college?

"Think about the guys in your high school who went to UVA. They were a bunch of preppy fags. Would you really want to hang around them in college?"

...who gives a shit you get a degree from UVa, thats why you're there

there are too many lawyers in this area and many of them are not smart at all. we catch their mistakes all the time. there are many normal people who went to regular colleges are way smarter.

WowzerBowzers! Wrote:
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> http://www.4icu.org/us/Virginia.htm
>
> does u agrees with dem rankings from dis her web
> pagge??
>
> VCU? 4th? Really?
> GMU? I know its a decent school but 3rd???
> W&M? 6th? come on! thats not right. should be next
> to UVA? right?
> and as far as UMW....its ranked 17th....hmmm didnt
> see that one coming either.

What an irrelevant list. Notice the low ranking of Washington & Lee.
A more realistic list is at stateuniversity.com.
There UMW is ranked number 8 in Virginia among all public and private schools. Washington & Lee is ranked #1 on this list.

UMW is definitely not ranked in top 5 schools in VA. It used to be an all girls college and only a few years ago it became a university.

Top schools in VA:

1) UVA
2) W&M
3) Tech
4) Mason
5) VCU

Thread is dead. Going to Tech. Hoping to work my ass off and get to UVA Law.

A lot of you are dumb as fuck. Half of you start off by saying something like "I'm old as shit i went to college 20 years ago... but I know Mary Washington sucks.." You are ancient and therefore your opinion counts for nothing unless you have another way of being informed about Virginia's Universities. And no, a list on the internet does not mean a damn thing. If you actually did some research you should have noticed that EVERY LIST IS DIFFERENT. It does not matter if you find one of the hundred that agrees with you... All you fagots who think VCU and even Radford are ahead of UMW need to take your head out of the fucking gutter because you are about as misinformed on the topic as it gets.

Heres my BIASED breakdown of Virginia's PUBLIC Universities..

1st tier (no particular order)
1. UVA.. You'll fit in great if you won numerous Polos and boat shoes. If you do not already walk around like your god's gift to earth you surely will by the end of freshman orientation.
1. William and Mary.. You might as well sign yourself up for suicide watch. This school is known for being absolutely grueling on it's students and W&M is the proud owner of the nation's highest suicide rate. Whoo!

2nd tier (no particular order)
2. George Mason.. Smack dab in the middle of NOVA, most people avoid school due to its proximity to kids that already live in NOVA. A lot of people complain that it does not have a college feel and it does not have a football team. These are the same kids that decide to go to Alabama in an attempt to get away from the parents that fund their over luxurious life. GMU is for the smart kid from NOVA who did not get into UVA or GMU and did not mind staying close to home.
2. Mary Washington.. This school is very underestimated. The population consists of kids that got rejected from UVA and W&M and opted out of the drunk fest at JMU. A very small school that turns off kids "that just wanna party...". UMW is great school if you meet the right people. Just be ready to be overwhelmed by homosexuals (NOT KIDDING), wierd looking guys who think they are tight, ugly ass girls who take advantage of the guys UMW goggles. It is actually very entertaining thought.
3. JMU.. Apparently they have a really good business school. I have visited and I do not understand how students actually get work done there. There is literally a party 24/7. If you have self control you'll be good, just fat from all the beer you have been drinking all year long

tier 3
Radford.. Shitty ass school that is not even known for partying anymore but kids still go there insisting that it still is..
ODU.. In the middle of the ghetto. Never heard anything good about this school.
CNU.. Also in the middle of the ghetto and is definitely at the top of this tier, but still its an "up and coming" university, whatever the fuck that means.
VCU.. All the artsy liberal fagots flock from all over VA to be housed in the middle of the Richmond Ghetto. Fucking Sweet.. NOT lololol
etc..

Basically try for UVA if you dont get in which ever tier school matches you better is your next choice. Avoid tier 3 at all costs. These schools are looked down upon.

Toodles!

1. UVA
2. W&M
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3. VT
4. VCU
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5. GMU
6. JMU
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7. MW
8. ODU
9. VMI
10.Richmond
----
11.CNU
12.Radford
13.Roanoke
14.Longwood
15.Jim Bob's School of Racing, Pit Crew Training and Culinary BBQ Arts

U of R is not public. Dumbass.

Nor is Roanoke.

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

CURRENT COLLEGE SOPHOMORE Wrote:
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> A lot of you are dumb as fuck. Half of you start
> off by saying something like "I'm old as shit i
SNIP
>
> 2nd tier (no particular order)
> GMU is for the smart
> kid from NOVA who did not get into UVA or GMU and
> did not mind staying close to home.

GMU is for the smart kid who did not get into UVA or GMU.....So, I guess that based on reading this, the logical conclusion is that you are likely an ODU student.

So where does Tech fit in? Apparently below Tier 3. LOLOLOL

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

1. UVA
2. W&M
----
3. VT
4. VCU
----
5. GMU
6. JMU
----
7. MW
8. ODU
9. VMI
10.CNU
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11.Radford
12.Longwood
13.Norfolk St.
14.VA St.
15.Jim Bob's School of Racing, Pit Crew Training and Culinary BBQ Arts

W&L 1st, then Randolph Macon? Then Richmond? I've never even heard of 1/2 of these.

Appalachian College of Pharmacy
Appalachian School of Law
Averett University
Baptist Theological Seminary at Richmond
Bluefield College
Bridgewater College
Chamberlain College of Nursing
Christendom College
Cordoba University
Eastern Mennonite University
Emory and Henry College
Edward Via Virginia College of Osteopathic Medicine
Ferrum College
George Washington University Virginia Campus
Hartland College
Hampden-Sydney College
Hampton University
Hollins University
Jefferson College of Health Sciences
John Leland Center for Theological Studies
Liberty University
Lynchburg College
Mary Baldwin College
Marymount University
Patrick Henry College
Randolph-Macon College
Randolph College
Regent University
Roanoke College
Saint Paul's College
Shenandoah University
Southern Virginia University
Stratford University
Sweet Briar College
University of Northern Virginia
University of Richmond
Virginia Intermont College
Virginia International University
Virginia Theological Seminary
Virginia Union University
Virginia University of Lynchburg
Virginia Wesleyan College
Washington and Lee University
Washington Bible College and Capital Bible Seminary (Springfield Extension)
Westwood College Of Technology
World College

very confused as to how you came to the conclusion that i go to ODU. You are upset I left out tech.. It was an accident. Vah Tech is very overrated! (Yes i meant to write vah tech for all you nazis out there) Instead of critiquing my writing on an internet forum. Why don't you write your own opinion you worthless piece of shit. One thing I do know "Pinhead.." queer boy is damned to a life of failure and hell!!

ancient Wrote:
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> UMW is definitely not ranked in top 5 schools in
> VA. It used to be an all girls college and only a
> few years ago it became a university.
>
> Top schools in VA:
>
> 1) UVA
> 2) W&M
> 3) Tech
> 4) Mason
> 5) VCU


VCU's average "admission criteria" are a full .5 of a GPA and a full 100+ SAT pts LOWER than UMW's. If you don't believe it, look it up.

VCU is basically one of the VA "safety schools", along with Longwood, Radford, and ODU, for the mouth-breathing half-retards of the VA public school systems. Each of the FCPS send about 50 slack-eyed wastoids to these shitholes every year, so their parents can say "it's in college".

There is nothing TOP about VCU, unless you're pre-med or an arts student. VCU sucks otherwise, and you have to live in the ghetto of Richmond.

Student Wrote:
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> Thread is dead. Going to Tech. Hoping to work my
> ass off and get to UVA Law.


There are a number of Tech students who go every year. Join pre-law and work hard and you might swing it.

holy hell, somebody finally said something that had some truth behind it w0w

You can major ar pre-law at VT? That's retarded. If you are already relegated to going to tech, major in a scientific or engineering field then go to law school. That route has 2 advantages. First, if you drop/fail out of law school, you will have a real major to fall back on. Second, you will be eligible for the patent bar and that will greatly expand your marketability as an attorney.

soo this is off topic from what everyone is talking about, but im going to mary washington in the fall and from some of the comments all i got out of it that sounded good was that it was a pretty campus..... i will be depressed if i go here andd hate it. can anyone tell me anthing good about mary washington?

why are you asking strangers which college you should attend? you should be visiting the schools and talking with your parents and counselors. please don't rely on the people from the underground to give you any serious advice.

In my opinion All the schools listed are fine academic institutes and people will earn a great education at each. People who want a small school atmosphere would LOVE mary washington!

yeahh i guess this is true. i mean ive already visited and talked to counselors and teachers but i guess i just wanted an outside opinion. but after sleeping on it i think i will like it i was just having a break down yesterday about it haha.

but thanks for your input!!

as good as any other

Hi i have been reading all of this and I wanted some feedback. I'm from the west coast but I applied and got accepted to James Madison University, University of Mary Washington, George Mason University, Penn State, and American University. I'm planning to major in Political Science. What would be the best choice?

justsayin Wrote:
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> Political Science? Social Science? I'd be less
> concerned with what school you are attending and
> more with what the hell are you going to do with
> those degrees?
>
> If your degrees won't get you much more than a job
> at a zoo, who cares about "prestige"? And I
> assure you that no one cares where you went to
> school after you are out. I understand that is
> seemingly important, but after your first job no
> one gives the slightest crap where you went to
> school, only that you did.


Obviously responding to an old-ass post, but I laugh my ass off when I see people equate an undergraduate degree (where and what) with earning potential.

Where is important. Ask Wall-Streeters.

What you major in...important and not. A buddy of mine majored in anthropology and became a Marine Fighter Pilot and now flies for FedEx. Another buddy majored in communications and has probably made north of $300,000 for the past 10 years as a sales manager for a staffing agency.

Yep, I had those buddies that took the "safe route"...accounting, engineering, etc...the real hard stuff that "guaranteed" a job out of college. Sure enough, they were the ones that got off to hot starts, making like $60K when the rest of us were scraping around making half, but it has been my experience after 20 years that those guys tap out early.

Hell, we had a female friend that became a doctor. Guarantee to tons of dough, right? After 20 years, she is barely through her college/post college debt. And works her ASS off. And, really, less money than some of the others.

My theory is we HAD to hustle in our 20's...they didn't. Plus, they like safety. F-ups are prone to (probably had to) take risks.

In general, many of the f-ups that I knew in college are doing better than those straight-laced science guys.

Those accountants, engineers, etc are generally costs to an organization, while the guys that had to go out and hustle and sell represent revenue to an organization. Guess who's more important?

I know it is cliche, but it is the truth.

Guess what? Without those engineers, you would have nothing to sell. I would hardly call those guys "costs" to an organization. We joke about geeks and nerds, but we need those guys. Geeks like Bill Gates (and many less famous) have done okay. Also, some science guys are not as straight laced as you might think. Science is full of risks (do you know any real scientists?---I don't mean engineers). Some of them are very much risk takers. Many have gone on to found their own companies (not just sell stuff for somebody else).

Didn't say we don't need those engineers, etc. and I agree that they are very valuable.

Just said that in some respects, the liberal arts people did, in the long run, as well as, or better than the people who majored in sciences and accounting, contrary to the opinion that liberal arts means a lifetime of nothing.

I used the little thing about being costs to an organization as a reason why, in some instances.

Didn't mean to get anyone upset.

Yes, we need engineers and accountants, etc. and they are good and smart people, and in some (many?) instances risk takers.

Mary Washington sucks

CURRENT COLLEGE SOPHOMORE Wrote:
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> A lot of you are dumb as fuck. Half of you start
> off by saying something like "I'm old as shit i
> went to college 20 years ago... but I know Mary
> Washington sucks.." You are ancient and therefore
> your opinion counts for nothing unless you have
> another way of being informed about Virginia's
> Universities. And no, a list on the internet does
> not mean a damn thing. If you actually did some
> research you should have noticed that EVERY LIST
> IS DIFFERENT. It does not matter if you find one
> of the hundred that agrees with you... All you
> fagots who think VCU and even Radford are ahead of
> UMW need to take your head out of the fucking
> gutter because you are about as misinformed on the
> topic as it gets.
>
> Heres my BIASED breakdown of Virginia's PUBLIC
> Universities..
>
> 1st tier (no particular order)
> 1. UVA.. You'll fit in great if you won numerous
> Polos and boat shoes. If you do not already walk
> around like your god's gift to earth you surely
> will by the end of freshman orientation.
> 1. William and Mary.. You might as well sign
> yourself up for suicide watch. This school is
> known for being absolutely grueling on it's
> students and W&M is the proud owner of the
> nation's highest suicide rate. Whoo!
>
> 2nd tier (no particular order)
> 2. George Mason.. Smack dab in the middle of NOVA,
> most people avoid school due to its proximity to
> kids that already live in NOVA. A lot of people
> complain that it does not have a college feel and
> it does not have a football team. These are the
> same kids that decide to go to Alabama in an
> attempt to get away from the parents that fund
> their over luxurious life. GMU is for the smart
> kid from NOVA who did not get into UVA or GMU and
> did not mind staying close to home.
> 2. Mary Washington.. This school is very
> underestimated. The population consists of kids
> that got rejected from UVA and W&M and opted out
> of the drunk fest at JMU. A very small school that
> turns off kids "that just wanna party...". UMW is
> great school if you meet the right people. Just be
> ready to be overwhelmed by homosexuals (NOT
> KIDDING), wierd looking guys who think they are
> tight, ugly ass girls who take advantage of the
> guys UMW goggles. It is actually very entertaining
> thought.
> 3. JMU.. Apparently they have a really good
> business school. I have visited and I do not
> understand how students actually get work done
> there. There is literally a party 24/7. If you
> have self control you'll be good, just fat from
> all the beer you have been drinking all year long
>
> tier 3
> Radford.. Shitty ass school that is not even known
> for partying anymore but kids still go there
> insisting that it still is..
> ODU.. In the middle of the ghetto. Never heard
> anything good about this school.
> CNU.. Also in the middle of the ghetto and is
> definitely at the top of this tier, but still its
> an "up and coming" university, whatever the fuck
> that means.
> VCU.. All the artsy liberal fagots flock from all
> over VA to be housed in the middle of the Richmond
> Ghetto. Fucking Sweet.. NOT lololol
> etc..
>
> Basically try for UVA if you dont get in which
> ever tier school matches you better is your next
> choice. Avoid tier 3 at all costs. These schools
> are looked down upon.
>
> Toodles!


you sound like an old fart. don't post your outdated biases from the 80's. flock of seagulls, Madonna, blue oyster cult are passe

Mary Wash: beautiful campus, women are not especially hot but there are a few gems. Mason is probably the best for good looking girls. UMW has been having difficulty filling their freshman classes the last few years. A lot of people (including myself) trace the problems back to the name change in 2005 from Mary Washington College to University of Mary Washington. THey changed the name because the female alumni complain that is sucked going to school there because there were no men. The administration found some study that said schools that start with "University" in the name attract more males. I'm not kidding, that's why they the school is named University of Mary Washington and not Mary Washington University. Apparently it may be the only "University Of..." that is a person and not a geographic region. Anyway, like I said it has a beautiful campus and it's close to DC. There are no frats but the womens rugby team throws the big parties. I remember one where like 15 women were making out with each other. But I digress. If you're a normal guy and decent looking, there is no shortage of women there. Academically I believe you wil get a good education but it just can't compete with the opportunities at a real university (like, one with an enrollment over 4000). Mary Wash really is still a college.

I'm curious about transferring from UMW. If you have two years of good grades (3.4-3.7), are you able to transfer to UVA, Tech or W&M?

CockzFatz Wrote:
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> I'm curious about transferring from UMW. If you
> have two years of good grades (3.4-3.7), are you
> able to transfer to UVA, Tech or W&M?


I knew two people who transferred to UVA from Mary Wash. That's probably about what their GPA was.

Awesome, I appreciate the feedback

mwc grad Wrote:
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> Mary Wash: beautiful campus, women are not
> especially hot but there are a few gems. Mason is
> probably the best for good looking girls. UMW
> has been having difficulty filling their freshman
> classes the last few years. A lot of people
> (including myself) trace the problems back to the
> name change in 2005 from Mary Washington College
> to University of Mary Washington. THey changed
> the name because the female alumni complain that
> is sucked going to school there because there were
> no men. The administration found some study that
> said schools that start with "University" in the
> name attract more males. I'm not kidding, that's
> why they the school is named University of Mary
> Washington and not Mary Washington University.
> Apparently it may be the only "University Of..."
> that is a person and not a geographic region.
> Anyway, like I said it has a beautiful campus and
> it's close to DC. There are no frats but the
> womens rugby team throws the big parties. I
> remember one where like 15 women were making out
> with each other. But I digress. If you're a
> normal guy and decent looking, there is no
> shortage of women there. Academically I believe
> you wil get a good education but it just can't
> compete with the opportunities at a real
> university (like, one with an enrollment over
> 4000). Mary Wash really is still a college.

If your school doesn't have a football team, you're not a real University.

Loudon PWNS Fairfax Wrote:
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> mwc grad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mary Wash: beautiful campus, women are not
> > especially hot but there are a few gems. Mason
> is
> > probably the best for good looking girls. UMW
> > has been having difficulty filling their
> freshman
> > classes the last few years. A lot of people
> > (including myself) trace the problems back to
> the
> > name change in 2005 from Mary Washington
> College
> > to University of Mary Washington. THey changed
> > the name because the female alumni complain
> that
> > is sucked going to school there because there
> were
> > no men. The administration found some study
> that
> > said schools that start with "University" in
> the
> > name attract more males. I'm not kidding,
> that's
> > why they the school is named University of Mary
> > Washington and not Mary Washington University.
> > Apparently it may be the only "University
> Of..."
> > that is a person and not a geographic region.
> > Anyway, like I said it has a beautiful campus
> and
> > it's close to DC. There are no frats but the
> > womens rugby team throws the big parties. I
> > remember one where like 15 women were making
> out
> > with each other. But I digress. If you're a
> > normal guy and decent looking, there is no
> > shortage of women there. Academically I
> believe
> > you wil get a good education but it just can't
> > compete with the opportunities at a real
> > university (like, one with an enrollment over
> > 4000). Mary Wash really is still a college.
>
> If your school doesn't have a football team,
> you're not a real University.


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