Any recommendations or referrals for Fairfax County? I was hoping for a reference rather than a random call in the Yellow Pages. I believe I have a very strong case for discrimination among other unusual business practices that should be addressed.

I appreciate any suggestions on who to call and consult with.

suck a dick

In time you'll see plenty of ads on tv for ambulance chasers...since you'll be relying on this big law suit instead of looking for another job and be spending your afternoons watching Springer.

Behind the tax scammers and the bad joint replacement guys...."My former employer was nice enough to give me the job I didn't plan on doing so I'm going to sue him cause he's a bigot" lawyers are plentiful.

AFAIK contrary to what they show on TV and despite what lawyers ad may say, in reality it's very difficult to win a discrimination/wrongful termination case. You have to have solid proof. Your 'feelings' and 'he said/she said' won't cut it.

prolly better to just save yr $$$$$ and get a new job, pal

Need-A-Referral Wrote:
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> Any recommendations or referrals for Fairfax
> County? I was hoping for a reference rather than
> a random call in the Yellow Pages. I believe I
> have a very strong case for discrimination among
> other unusual business practices that should be
> addressed.
>
> I appreciate any suggestions on who to call and
> consult with.


so what kind of employer is this and what is the basis for thinking it was wrongful? You don't have to get too specific,but are we talikng race, sex, religion, disbility ????

The employer is a 8a minority owned business in Gov contracting. I have absolutely no issue finding another job and certainly intend to do so, this has nothing to do with "getting even", it has more to do with business practices that I'm very aware of that need to be called out.

However, when a minority company decides to ONLY terminate white male employees, that's an issue - certainly when the ones chosen excel in what they do. However, others in the same position that are minorities - continue and remain. It's not right, it's not good business, and something needs to be said.

I'm referring to RACE as the issue.

SoylentGreen Wrote:
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> In time you'll see plenty of ads on tv for
> ambulance chasers...since you'll be relying on
> this big law suit instead of looking for another
> job and be spending your afternoons watching
> Springer.
>
> Behind the tax scammers and the bad joint
> replacement guys...."My former employer was nice
> enough to give me the job I didn't plan on doing
> so I'm going to sue him cause he's a bigot"
> lawyers are plentiful.

I appreciate the input. Just to clarify your "views", I intend to have a new job in the next 30 days and should have no issue finding one, I never have - and probably never will. Finding a job in my view is a full time job if done correctly. Between tracking applications, calls, interviews, follow-ups, etc.. it's actually more intense. I do not plan to use unemployment, it's a waste of time and doesn't even come close to my salary making it worthless. Even then, by the time it starts, I would be employed.

Jerry Springer is still on TV? I thought that crap ended like 8 years ago and he retired or something? Maybe you can educate me on daytime TV and commercials - I'm not up to par on that stuff and it sounds like you are.

Thanks.

Re: Lawyer Recommendation for Employment/Wrongful Termination? new
Posted by: FollowUp ()
Date: April 02, 2011 07:27PM

However, when a minority company decides to ONLY terminate white male employees, that's an issue - certainly when the ones chosen excel in what they do. However, others in the same position that are minorities - continue and remain. It's not right, it's not good business, and something needs to be said.
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SO let me see if I get this straight.............you excel in what you do, but you dont even KNOW an attorney? And you live in Fairfax County? O_o

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> Re: Lawyer Recommendation for Employment/Wrongful
> Termination? new
> Posted by: FollowUp ()
> Date: April 02, 2011 07:27PM
>
> However, when a minority company decides to ONLY
> terminate white male employees, that's an issue -
> certainly when the ones chosen excel in what they
> do. However, others in the same position that are
> minorities - continue and remain. It's not right,
> it's not good business, and something needs to be
> said.
> --------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------
> SO let me see if I get this
> straight.............you excel in what you do, but
> you dont even KNOW an attorney? And you live in
> Fairfax County? O_o

I have two friends who practice law, both are outside of the area. Obviously, I've never had to deal with something like this before - so why would I have an attorney already on file?

Someone could be a VERY successful Engineer and NOT know an attorney. Someone else could be a very successful Project Manager, and NOT know an attorney, right?

Apparently you don't know any either - otherwise, you would be providing a possible recommendation.

well, firstoff, I dont necessarily believe your story, so I'm not saying crap so far unless I heard more about this. Secondly, THIS IS FAIRFAX COUNTY! We ALL know lawyers, hence my initial skepticism. Thirdly, if you were TRULY SERIOUS about this, you'd have had your legal friends send you in the right direction as to who to contact. In case you didnt know this, they went to this nifty thing called law school, may have met others there, as well.

Seriously, dude - you'd rather ask on an internet blog for help instead of turn to your friends in the field as what you are looking for help in? Even if they were not in the same legal area, they either know a cpl of people who are, or know OF people they have heard about, OR work with others who could help you out.

Better than asking for unsolicited help off the Interweb, that's for sure

you might as well just use the yellow pages if you are doing that, m'man



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/02/2011 09:14PM by Gordon Blvd.

1. It really doesn't matter if you believe the story or not, my job isn't to convince or prove to you anything.

2. I have reached out to them, they DO NOT KNOW ANYONE THAT IS LOCAL WHO PRACTICES EMPLOYMENT LAW.

3. I do not know anyone who practices in EMPLOYMENT LAW.

4. I already have the Yellow Pages.

5. I was interested to see if any suggestions or names mentioned in this thread (if people were actually useful) would be worth calling. For all I know, maybe someone else has had an issue before and had a name to suggest? Or maybe not? The hell if I know, worth asking though.



Thanks anyways. I'll resort to the other methods I'm already pursuing as this thread obviously is useless and appears to be your soapbox. Surprising how dense you are.. but I don't expect much from someone who is a registered user with 400+ posts on this site in 1 month. Either you have no family to spend your evenings with or you spend to much time during the day fucking off when you should be working. Whichever it is - best of luck to you kid.

My first suggestion would be to contact the EEOC and begin to file paperwork for your discrimination charges. If your case is strong enough, they will fight it for you and you will not need to find your own lawyer. If they think your case is valid but they do not want to handle it, they will give you a "right to sue" letter meaning they think your case is valid and are encouraging you to continue.

The only bad thing about the EEOC is that they are backlogged and are inconsistent. BUT, it is still a good place to start as there are time limits and deadlines to meet.

Have you filed for unemployment? If you are granted unemployment, it will bode well for your case as that would also prove wrongful termination.

As far as finding your own lawyer, start by researching "top lawyers" from the Washingtonian magazine--the lawyers are grouped by speciality and you can search for employment lawyers. Go to the Washingtonian website and do the search and that is a good place to begin.

Good luck!

Excellent advice - and I will do that. Thanks!

If you don't have the patience to muddle through these posts no wonder you got your dumb ass fired. no one likes to work with an arrogant asshole who believe they know everything and others no nothing. Interesting that you are the only one who excelled while all others were mediocre.

John Carroll is without question the man you want representing you on ANY matter. One consultation with this guy and you KNOW your in the right hands. EXPENSIVE but worth it. Check his stats and you'll see why.

You deserved it dumb ass Wrote:
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> If you don't have the patience to muddle through
> these posts no wonder you got your dumb ass fired.
> no one likes to work with an arrogant asshole who
> believe they know everything and others no
> nothing. Interesting that you are the only one
> who excelled while all others were mediocre.


Wow. He simply asked a question for advice. These posts feel like a bummer before I even had the patience to muddle through them. Maybe I will get *my* dumb ass fired...but then, I *know* how to spell.

BTW...
Donut Lover is right. If you are going to start anywhere and are serious you better get to crackin'. There are serious deadlines and time issues you will need to adhere to if dealing with the VEC and EEOC. it never hurts to run your concerns/case by the proper channels if you feel you are justified. That is what they are there for.

spellin ain't know requarement hear ass yee cane planely sea.

Sigh... Wrote:
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> 1. It really doesn't matter if you believe the
> story or not, my job isn't to convince or prove to
> you anything.
>
> 2. I have reached out to them, they DO NOT KNOW
> ANYONE THAT IS LOCAL WHO PRACTICES EMPLOYMENT LAW.
>
>
> 3. I do not know anyone who practices in
> EMPLOYMENT LAW.
>
> 4. I already have the Yellow Pages.
>
> 5. I was interested to see if any suggestions or
> names mentioned in this thread (if people were
> actually useful) would be worth calling. For all
> I know, maybe someone else has had an issue before
> and had a name to suggest? Or maybe not? The
> hell if I know, worth asking though.
>
>
>
> Thanks anyways. I'll resort to the other methods
> I'm already pursuing as this thread obviously is
> useless and appears to be your soapbox.
> Surprising how dense you are.. but I don't expect
> much from someone who is a registered user with
> 400+ posts on this site in 1 month. Either you
> have no family to spend your evenings with or you
> spend to much time during the day fucking off when
> you should be working. Whichever it is - best of
> luck to you kid.

Acyually, this type of employment law and lawyers has been discussed here before.
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/135732/135776.html

Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.

Sigh... Wrote:
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> 1. It really doesn't matter if you believe the
> story or not, my job isn't to convince or prove to
> you anything.
>
> 2. I have reached out to them, they DO NOT KNOW
> ANYONE THAT IS LOCAL WHO PRACTICES EMPLOYMENT LAW.
>
>
> 3. I do not know anyone who practices in
> EMPLOYMENT LAW.
>
> 4. I already have the Yellow Pages.
>
> 5. I was interested to see if any suggestions or
> names mentioned in this thread (if people were
> actually useful) would be worth calling. For all
> I know, maybe someone else has had an issue before
> and had a name to suggest? Or maybe not? The
> hell if I know, worth asking though.
>
>
>
> Thanks anyways. I'll resort to the other methods
> I'm already pursuing as this thread obviously is
> useless and appears to be your soapbox.
> Surprising how dense you are.. but I don't expect
> much from someone who is a registered user with
> 400+ posts on this site in 1 month. Either you
> have no family to spend your evenings with or you
> spend to much time during the day fucking off when
> you should be working. Whichever it is - best of
> luck to you kid.
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my my, looks like someone got a little butthurt there.............no wonder they let you go if a simple communication can get you all riled up like that.

if you've SERIOUSLY spent real-life time checking out how many posts I've made (why do people really care about that? that always blows my mind) MORE than you have calling and meeting with REAL LIFE attorneys about your cause, then methinks you dont have that strong a case. I dunno. You are the one who put yr business out here on the interweb - dont get all upset and resort to acting like a 12 year old with the cursing and namecalling just cause I dont necessarily believe all you are saying. Can't imagine how you were as a co-worker, but if that reply you gave me is any hint...............well, I hope your lawyer works pro-bono or yr gonna be out of a lotta $$$$$$$$$

NOT the best way to impress a judge, I can tell you that LoLz



Radiophile, I bow to yr greatness :)

You deserved it dumb ass Wrote:
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> If you don't have the patience to muddle through
> these posts no wonder you got your dumb ass fired.
> no one likes to work with an arrogant asshole who
> believe they know everything and others no
> nothing. Interesting that you are the only one
> who excelled while all others were mediocre.


Show me where he said that he was the only one that excelled while all the others were mediocre? I read over this twice already, I saw no reference to that.

Are you making things up to?

it's an inference..................(in·fer·ence noun : the act of passing from one proposition, statement, or judgment considered as true to another whose truth is believed to follow from that of the former b : the act of passing from statistical sample data to generalizations (as of the value of population parameters) usually with calculated degrees of certainty)
.................that the OP made when he said :

However, when a minority company decides to ONLY terminate white male employees, that's an issue - certainly when the ones chosen excel in what they do. However, others in the same position that are minorities - continue and remain

inferring that at least some of the white male employees that were let go "excel" in what they do and that the minorities at the business who apparently both "continue AND remain" (LoLz) at their positions do not reach this level of excellence, and thus are more mediocre in their job performance.

Hope that helps ya!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/03/2011 11:15AM by Gordon Blvd.

So what was the reason they gave for firing you?

Do you have company documents that prove you were a great employee, like glowing performance reviews?

Re: Lawyer Recommendation for Employment/Wrongful Termination?
Posted by: Reason ()
Date: April 03, 2011 01:24PM

So what was the reason they gave for firing you?

Docs Wrote:
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> Do you have company documents that prove you were
> a great employee, like glowing performance
> reviews?
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dude has all that time to find out how many posts I've made, yet didnt have the time to answer y'alls question - yeah.................he's got a case

LoLz

Reason Wrote:
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> So what was the reason they gave for firing you?


Unless you have an e-mail that says 'fire all the white guys', best to just move on. And even then.....a white male with no special status (gay, disabled, etc.) has no chance to win a dsicrimination suit. It is basically impossible to illegally discriminate against you - both in law and practice.

Wrongful Termination cases are expensive, take a long time and are hardly ever successful. In the interim, especially in this day and age, you will communicate to all potential future employers that you are an unemployable and litigious asshole.

My recommendation is to update your resume and find another job.

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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

You didn't answer my question.

Do you have recent documentation from a boss, like a performance review, that says you were an amazing worker?

When the lawyers for the company dig into your work habits, video, facebook posts, employment reviews, etc... what are they going to see?

If your winning card is discrimination then I'm going to agree that your chances are slim. Good luck.

Gordon Blvd is the biggest fucking idiot

Docs Wrote:
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> You didn't answer my question.
>
> Do you have recent documentation from a boss, like
> a performance review, that says you were an
> amazing worker?
>
> When the lawyers for the company dig into your
> work habits, video, facebook posts, employment
> reviews, etc... what are they going to see?
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doubt yr gonna get a response, Docs.

Geez, I wonder why? :)

LoLz

Gordon Blvd is gay Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd is the biggest fucking idiot
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awwwwwwwwwwww, I'm so hurt

ROFLMAO!!!!
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You're right, I'm not answering anything else.

Just for closure, EEO called me back on the information I submitted and they have chosen to pursue this case directly. Apparently this is a repeat offense on the same company making this strike 2.

Let me guess, owners are from....Middle East? :)

Thanks Wrote:
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> You're right, I'm not answering anything else.
>
> Just for closure, EEO called me back on the
> information I submitted and they have chosen to
> pursue this case directly. Apparently this is a
> repeat offense on the same company making this
> strike 2.

This is the biggest load of bullshit. You got fired for poor performance, probably being late, hungover, drunk or high too. Now you're pissed that you got fired and you want vengeance.

You deserved it dumb ass Wrote:
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> If you don't have the patience to muddle through
> these posts no wonder you got your dumb ass fired.
> no one likes to work with an arrogant asshole who
> believe they know everything and others no
> nothing. Interesting that you are the only one
> who excelled while all others were mediocre.

I have to agree with this person's assessment. I'm sure that you're a perfectly nice guy but you also come off as inexperienced and immature. My guess is that you were promoted from a lower position then put in a position that offered you a significant increase in pay and status but chose to play the "I'm now too important and know more than anyone" you probably could have gained and learned from others around you rather than becoming arrogant ... you probably spent your days sitting behind the desk impressing yourself with your new position and probably more time going office to office trying to impress others about yourself and wasting other coworkers time. It wouldn't surprise us all if you think that you think you can do a better job in running the company.

What probably happened is that when you had to do your job ... you flubbed it and failed miserably then tried to find an excuse and blame others for your own failures and jump on this blog for validation that you were wronged .... it's obvious in this ranting that you deem yourself infallible and blameless ... you wasted your coworkers time at the office and now look to waste other people's time to try and find some comfort and allies to agree with your pathetic self pity.

If you were that good as you say you were ... go find a job, don't waste your time trying to file a lawsuit that would blackball you from the industry. All you show in this rant is that you really aren't as good as you say you are and looking for an excuse to blame others other than yourself.

BTW... EEO hasn't pursued your case ... stop making things up just to prove that you're always right .... you already got fired for it so focus on really becoming a better person.

BS Wrote:
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> Thanks Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You're right, I'm not answering anything else.
>
> >
> > Just for closure, EEO called me back on the
> > information I submitted and they have chosen to
> > pursue this case directly. Apparently this is
> a
> > repeat offense on the same company making this
> > strike 2.
>
> This is the biggest load of bullshit. You got
> fired for poor performance, probably being late,
> hungover, drunk or high too. Now you're pissed
> that you got fired and you want vengeance.
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awwwww, now why you saying our boy is lying?

Even though he says he has "two friends who practice law", yet neither of them had even thought to tell him to complain to a state employment board, y'know......

LoLz

Is this your attempt at a show? It jumped the shark about 20 posts ago...

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> Is this your attempt at a show? It jumped the
> shark about 20 posts ago...


if yr talking to me , yr gonna have to be more specific on which one of my annoying personality traits you are referring to :)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/05/2011 10:03AM by Gordon Blvd.

I was doing a great job then the boss came to me and said "You're fired" out of the blue. He did this so he could hire black people.

Well good luck with the story... nobody in their right mind is going to believe it.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Is this your attempt at a show? It jumped the
> > shark about 20 posts ago...
>
>
> if yr talking to me , yr gonna have to be more
> specific on which one of my annoying personality
> traits you are referring to :)

Again, another chapter in the show...

-----------------------------------------------

"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

Yes, quite the attention seeking douche.

LoLz

how anybody on the planet actaully cares what I say still astounds me

please, you two............
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U wont find a lawyer in VA its a right to work state u can be fired for any reason plus u have no damages to Sue for if u get another job. Would b different story if gvt fired u maybe

VeryNice Wrote:
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>
> I appreciate the input. Just to clarify your
> "views", I intend to have a new job in the next 30
> days and should have no issue finding one, I never
> have - and probably never will. Finding a job in
> my view is a full time job if done correctly.
> Between tracking applications, calls, interviews,
> follow-ups, etc.. it's actually more intense. I
> do not plan to use unemployment, it's a waste of
> time and doesn't even come close to my salary
> making it worthless. Even then, by the time it
> starts, I would be employed.
>
> Thanks.


Hey Hot-Shot, still spinning your wheels trying to go after your old company for being an arrogant bastard ... it's funny that they terminated the "best performer" in the company but keep the mediocre performers ... someone isn't telling tho whole story.

No-trouble getting a job yet? I'm sure you already applied for unemployment ..you'll need it... I'm sure that anyone that interviews you will see right through your charm and really pick up that you're not this "top Performer" you claim you are but an egotistical actor.

... a little advice, bring that ego of yours down a bit and they might hire you for minimum wage

When did I ever claim to be the "top performer"? Sheesh, you all really like to twist thing into your own version of a story in order to throw a job. Get over it.

Anyways, I got a call and found out that after they laid off the 4 individuals (including myself) who are white males, this minority owned company hired 2 minorities to replace us, one who is family member and the other who was a college roommate of one of the minority executives.

Now does anyone think this is an issue or is the company still operating legally and within the guidelines of EEO?

Update Wrote:
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> When did I ever claim to be the "top performer"?
> Sheesh, you all really like to twist thing into
> your own version of a story in order to throw a
> job. Get over it.
>
> Anyways, I got a call and found out that after
> they laid off the 4 individuals (including myself)
> who are white males, this minority owned company
> hired 2 minorities to replace us, one who is
> family member and the other who was a college
> roommate of one of the minority executives.
>
> Now does anyone think this is an issue or is the
> company still operating legally and within the
> guidelines of EEO?
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um, if they gave you due notice and the ppl they hired can do the job, then yeah, I do see them operating legally.

Yr the only one seemingly being any sorta racist about it, acting like you can't be fired from a job just cause you are white. And how "DARE!!!!" they hire minorities to replace you - those treacherous scallawags!!

You sound just as bad as a black guy screaming racism just cause he got fired and they hired a white guy as his replacement.

Prolly the executive just wanted to hire ppl who would be a top-performers, (since you never claimed to be one) - plain and simple. And if you are not, and he knows some ppl who are, then it's all fair, no matter what YOU think of their race.

p.s. - notice he still hasnt given us any proof that anybody other than HIMSELF has a racist issue here (i.e. he is still hiding the reasoning they gave him for his termination)

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> p.s. - notice he still hasnt given us any proof
> that anybody other than HIMSELF has a racist issue
> here (i.e. he is still hiding the reasoning they
> gave him for his termination)

The document the 4 of us received stated "Reduction in Force/Budget Cuts, Corporate Reorganization. The other 3 individuals involved also have issue with this entire situation. It's very odd.

Update Wrote:
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> Anyways, I got a call and found out that after
> they laid off the 4 individuals (including myself)
> who are white males, this minority owned company
> hired 2 minorities to replace us, one who is
> family member and the other who was a college
> roommate of one of the minority executives.
>
> Now does anyone think this is an issue or is the
> company still operating legally and within the
> guidelines of EEO?

Does anyone else see the irony in this? You are complaining about being discriminiated against by a minority owned company, yet the very purpose of a minority owned company is to allow the government to discriminate in favor of minorities in contracting, presumably over some non-minority owned company. While you were employed there, did you stop to think that your company and employment probably only existing as a result of the government actively discriminating in contracting decisions? That there was some poor bastard that was losing his job as a result?

Answer... Wrote:
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>
> The document the 4 of us received stated
> "Reduction in Force/Budget Cuts, Corporate
> Reorganization. The other 3 individuals involved
> also have issue with this entire situation. It's
> very odd.
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so, let me see if I get this straight. They fired 4 guys, saying they wanted to reduce their force due to budget cuts, and they hired 2 new guys (presumibly to do the work of the FOUR who left), and this is racist how?

Also, what sort of racism did you 4 suffer when you worked there? Why didnt you file something before this? Just asking, is all.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> Answer... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > The document the 4 of us received stated
> > "Reduction in Force/Budget Cuts, Corporate
> > Reorganization. The other 3 individuals
> involved
> > also have issue with this entire situation.
> It's
> > very odd.
> --------------------------------------------------
> --------
>
> so, let me see if I get this straight. They fired
> 4 guys, saying they wanted to reduce their force
> due to budget cuts, and they hired 2 new guys
> (presumibly to do the work of the FOUR who left),
> and this is racist how?
>
> Also, what sort of racism did you 4 suffer when
> you worked there? Why didnt you file something
> before this? Just asking, is all.


RIFing someone based on 'budget' and shortly thereafter replacing them does leave the company open some sort of wrongful termination claim. Of course, could be that whoever was doing the firing didn't have the balls to do a 'for cause' termination. If you are firing someone for cause, you need to be damn sure you don't try to avoid hurt feeling by saying it's for a budget cut. That's the sort of stuff that does lead to lawsuits.

maybe...................

but not a successful one LoLz

tell it like it is Wrote:
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>
> RIFing someone based on 'budget' and shortly
> thereafter replacing them does leave the company
> open some sort of wrongful termination claim. Of
> course, could be that whoever was doing the firing
> didn't have the balls to do a 'for cause'
> termination. If you are firing someone for cause,
> you need to be damn sure you don't try to avoid
> hurt feeling by saying it's for a budget cut.
> That's the sort of stuff that does lead to
> lawsuits.

From my experience riffing a poor employee rather than firing him was fairly common a few years ago. If you riffed an employee he could collect unemployment and would have an easier time finding a new job. If the employee was fired for cause the guy gets no unemployment, and since he can't find a job as quickly he is more likely to get sucked into filing a lawsuit. Of course in todays economy where the preception is unemployment means no job for months, possibly years, that may no longer be true.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> maybe...................
>
> but not a successful one LoLz

Clearly you haven't dealt with this much. Labor lawyers I know tell me the #1 problem that employers have is failure to properly document employee shortcomings. With the diverse workplace and employment market today and with a series of pro-employee laws such as Family and Medical Leave, Age in Discrimination, etc. it is fairly easy for a vindictive employee to make a colorable argument of discrimination. When the employer then tries to come in with their half dozen witnesses to testify what a screw up the employee really was, they are faced with their own blank record of employee problems. This allows the case to go to the jury, and with whom do you think the jury's sympathies will lie. So yes there are quite a few very successful lawsuits that will come out of employees being riffed rather than fired for cause. Still laughing?

Need-A-Referral Wrote:
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> Any recommendations or referrals for Fairfax
> County? I was hoping for a reference rather than
> a random call in the Yellow Pages. I believe I
> have a very strong case for discrimination among
> other unusual business practices that should be
> addressed.
>
> I appreciate any suggestions on who to call and
> consult with.

Maybe I can save you some trouble:

Unless you've formally complained of discriminatory practices while you were employed (and have copies of your complaints), you'll have no case. A lot of people who get fired/laid off claim it was discriminatory, whether or not it actually was.

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

Bill N Wrote:
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>
> Clearly you haven't dealt with this much. Labor
> lawyers I know tell me the #1 problem that
> employers have is failure to properly document
> employee shortcomings. With the diverse workplace
> and employment market today and with a series of
> pro-employee laws such as Family and Medical
> Leave, Age in Discrimination, etc. it is fairly
> easy for a vindictive employee to make a colorable
> argument of discrimination. When the employer
> then tries to come in with their half dozen
> witnesses to testify what a screw up the employee
> really was, they are faced with their own blank
> record of employee problems. This allows the case
> to go to the jury, and with whom do you think the
> jury's sympathies will lie. So yes there are
> quite a few very successful lawsuits that will
> come out of employees being riffed rather than
> fired for cause. Still laughing?


That's why if you are going to fire someone for cause, you need to do it correctly and not weasle out of the ugliness by RIFing someone. I worked at a very large company that specifically had no progressive discipline policy. There was no section in the employee handbook about warnings or probation or anything like that. If you wanted to fire someone, you wrote up a little one page template, had it approved by your boss and HR, and they were gone.

Back to the OP, if you were fired for a budget cut, and then someone was re-hired a few weeks later, that's where companies can get in trouble. But then again, pursuing it is likely not work the cost and effort.

If you RIF someone you have to eliminate that position for I believe 6 months at minimum. If 4 of u were RIF'd then your positions were eliminated. FOr instance, say you have 8 sales reps all with the same responsibilities. We'll call this position SALESREP1. If you RIF 4 of them you could not hire for the SALESREP1 position for a certain amount of time. You could however, create another position with similiar and perhaps overlapping responsibilities, and call this new position SALESREP2, and proceed to hire new employees to perform this new function.

It was stated earlier that in VA you can be fired for any reason. The boss could come in one day and tell you he/she doesn't like the color of your shirt and fire you because of it with you having no recourse. Now if he/she said it was because they didn't like the color of your skin that's a different story but most bosses aren't that stupid. I think you would be wasting time on this that could be spent GETTING ANOTHER JOB.

Lloydster Wrote:
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> It was stated earlier that in VA you can be fired
> for any reason. The boss could come in one day and
> tell you he/she doesn't like the color of your
> shirt and fire you because of it with you having
> no recourse. Now if he/she said it was because
> they didn't like the color of your skin that's a
> different story but most bosses aren't that
> stupid. I think you would be wasting time on this
> that could be spent GETTING ANOTHER JOB.

Just to clarify....you can be fired for any LAWFUL reason. This is referred to as At-Will Employment, which is the same reason you can walk in one day a quit. Notice (2 weeks or otherwise, by either you or your employer) is a custom/courtesy, not a legal requirement.

This is different than right-to-work. Virginia is a Right-to-Work state - all that means is that being a member of a union cannot be a condition of employment (sometimes called closed shops). Being a right-to-work state does not bar unions (even public ones), it bars membership in a union being an employment condition. The practical effect is that unions are weaker since not everyone will be compelled to join and pay dues.

Who does this bozo think he is ... pretty arrogant ..no wonder he got fired ... he probably still doesn't have a job ... i bet he's still looking for jobs that he's under qualified ... which means ... NO JOB YET!!!!

Hey, need-a refereal- These are the same time wasters that surf all over this website wasting the thread away with mindless bullshit:

Gordon Blvd (registered name is JoMamas Pimp) Real 'known' name: BULLFROG
More Complete (registered name is Hidden) real 'KNOWN' name: Totally InComplete
ProVallone - (no registered name) real 'known' name: ProBalogne or Probalogna

I see ProVallone has not shown up yet! I am sure he will. Must be Masturbating - his worm up practice before it shows up on your thread to jerk-off on it for real as well!

Enjoy being the 'pivet man' while these three waste your thread away into nowhere!

need-a-referral? Wrote:
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> Hey, need-a refereal- These are the same time
> wasters that surf all over this website wasting
> the thread away with mindless bullshit:
>
> Gordon Blvd (registered name is JoMamas Pimp)
> Real 'known' name: BULLFROG
> More Complete (registered name is Hidden) real
> 'KNOWN' name: Totally InComplete
> ProVallone - (no registered name) real 'known'
> name: ProBalogne or Probalogna
>
> I see ProVallone has not shown up yet! I am sure
> he will. Must be Masturbating - his worm up
> practice before it shows up on your thread to
> jerk-off on it for real as well!
>
> Enjoy being the 'pivet man' while these three
> waste your thread away into nowhere!

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yeah, that's the nickname yr moms gives me cause I'm always hopping up in her junks :)

man, I forgot all about this thread

@ Bill N - I'm sure courts are clogged with lotsa cases just like this. However, without proof of discrimination PRIOR to the termination, like Mr Mephisto state, yr gonna kinda fall on deaf ears in court unless you have some sorta proof. OP himself kinda proved that what was stated to him is actually true, that the business was hitting hard times and wanted to slim it's workforce. He says 4 guys were fired, two re-hired in their place.