Is it true that mount Vernon high school had a 33% suspension rate

In '09-'10, 375 out of 1881 is not 33%. More like 19% but remember some of the 375 could be multiple suspensions for the same person.

Ok thanks where did you get that info from

Fairfax Partnership for Youth

Mt Vernon had 1881 students in 2009-10.

There were 640 incidents which is a 34% suspension rate

There were 366 individual offenders which is a rate of 19% per student.

Depends on how you look at it.

Either way its the highest in the County

Do you blame the principal or the students for getting suspension?

If you do an apples to apples comparison with Mt Vernon and other schools with high FRM populations and the problems that often come with these schools-higher suspension being one of them, you have to ask what this principal's problem is.

Falls Church had 1429 students in 2009-10.

They had 84 reported incidents resulting in suspensions.

That is 6%.

Compare that to Mt Vernon's 34%.

Principal problem.

I vote principal problem Wrote:
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> If you do an apples to apples comparison with Mt
> Vernon and other schools with high FRM populations
> and the problems that often come with these
> schools-higher suspension being one of them, you
> have to ask what this principal's problem is.
>
> Falls Church had 1429 students in 2009-10.
>
> They had 84 reported incidents resulting in
> suspensions.
>
> That is 6%.
>
> Compare that to Mt Vernon's 34%.
>
> Principal problem.


what does FRM mean? Foreigners? Some grouos are better behaved than others.
Gotta consider also that maybe the Falls Church administration is too lenient/alseep at the wheel.
Not saying it is, but they could be the one out of whack not Mt. Vernon.
My gusess is you have very different demographics in these two areas

So the link so we can compare it to wphs

Mt Vernon:

46% FRM Free Reduced Meals (poverty)
16% LEP Limited English Proficiency


Falls Church:

49% FRM
30% LEP

Again, principal problem. Same challenges at each school.

Mt Vernon is a reactionary principal-uses a fly swatter rather than installing screens.

Falls Church principal probably has a better rapport with students, they feel better connected to their school and they engage in PBS and intervention strategies long befor a kid lashes out in class.

Mt Vernon principal has issues. Somebody needs to be held accountable for their school climate.

Let's do a raw calculation of what it costs the taxpayers to have these kids out of school and therefor not learning anything.

Again, let's look at Mt Vernon since they are off the charts:

685 offenses in 2009-2010 school year broken down as follows:


More serious: Less serious:

8 weapons (could be a nerf gun) 12 property
5 vs. staff 407 behavior (could be anything)
33 vs student 45 technology (looking at FaceBook?)
39 ATOD (alcohol, tobacco, other drugs) 66 other (who knows??)
80 vs person

155 total 530 total


Now, let's assume the serious offenses carry a 15 day suspension (low end 10 days, high end, 6-8 weeks) and the less serious are 5 day suspensions.


155 X 15 = 2325 school days
530 X 5 = 2650 school days

4975 school days lost to suspensions at this school


We pay about $13,000 per pupil (from memory-could be off) divided by
181 school days= about $72 per day.


4975 X $72 = $358,200 WASTED on taxpayer money for education that is not being provided.

And this is just ONE high school.

Rather than pay principals $140,000 per year and let them do a mediocre job, I say we pay them $90,000 and they EARN the balance by delivering good test scores, reducing dropouts and reduced suspensions.

That's what I would do and I betcha we would have everyone working just a little bit harder.

Falls Church is not an exception.

Try Stuart: F/RL 59%; LEP 36%; Hispanic 42%; African American 11%

Suspensions 91

What do Falls Church and Stuart know or do that Mount Vernon doesn't know or do?

And Annandale with 224 suspensions is almost as bad as Mount Vernon but not on a per capita basis.

They should have had the Falls Church principal at the meeting today-rather than these other clowns-clearly they have figured something out:

Year Population # of offenses
05-06 1445 267
06-07 1375 214
07-08 1357 157
08-09 1421 156
09-10 1429 94

Population over the last 5 years has stayed about the same and yet they have reduced suspensions by 65%

I doubt the principal is just looking the other way while kids run thru the halls with machetes and coke.....

Maybe Jack Dale and the School Board should give this principal a call and ask them what they are doing.

NAAAHHHHH...that's crazy talk.

Limited English Proficiency? Free lunches for more then half the kids? Welcome to America, the newest of the 3rd world countries

Route 1 niggas are rougher than Falls Church niggas and have to be dealt with accordingly.

The fact that a black principal is tough on her niggas is proof. Normally, a black in charge will cut the blood some slack cuz of what whitey did to 'em all those years. If she throwin their black asses out, then they BAD.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest there are principals who handle students and discipline "in house" and those who are run by the Gestapo. Just saying it's all in the chosen career path and whose interests are being ultimately served -- the students and community or the short-sighted-vote-counters.

i guess your rightl all nigga are not all the same and some of them are toughers the o0nes from route 1

Not suspending does not mean that there are fewer violations, it means that the school has different ways of dealing with it. If a teacher reports a student for telling the teacher to "F*** Off" and the admin tells the teacher to address the issue that doesn't result in a suspension, but the teacher has to deal with kids who are verbally abusive, and believe me students soon learn what they can get away with.

Then, there is always the possibility that they give the students "in school suspension", which isn't reported as a suspension. If it's really harsh, then the kids just skip school, but they haven't been suspended.

Why not look at overall attendance records and apply the same analysis?

I got supensend today for 2 days for getting into a Little fight. I hate so
E people I this school

why you hatin?
2 days vacation for being in a little fight
like that's gonna ruin yr life or something

if it means that much to you, dont fucking fight, dumbass
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jaz Wrote:
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> Route 1 niggas are rougher than Falls Church
> niggas and have to be dealt with accordingly.
>
> The fact that a black principal is tough on her
> niggas is proof. Normally, a black in charge will
> cut the blood some slack cuz of what whitey did to
> 'em all those years. If she throwin their black
> asses out, then they BAD.


I'm not sure about Falls Church and Route 1, but inner city kids do need to be treated in a tougher manner, it's a fact.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

no foolin :(

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> no foolin :(


anyone has the rate for 2010-2011

I used to work at Mount Vernon; and Mrs. King can be reactionary to many things. However, as has been suggested the culture you're dealing with off the Highway often warrants a more hard line stance.

I know they very much believe in zero-tolerance at Mount Vernon. Further, giving students out of school suspension in no way suggests they can't deal with it "in-house." Suspensions have to be reported out to the county so the data has to be available.

The fact that they take in my opinion shows that they aren't going to deal with the riff raff and the shit....do good kids fall into the punishment hole sometimes yes...but that said because they treat them all equally when it comes to repeat offender or serious violaters the consequences should not come as a surprise.


On a side note, whether they are students or not, the "children" that get on here and rail about what a shithole Mount Vernon is really have no idea. Remember last year, the kid bitching about his grades George P or something (shows I spend too much time on this forum); you find a different breed of teacher at places like West Potomac/Mount Vernon/Falls Church/Stuart/TC Williams...most of them care about the success of the students and the school.

I'm always bothered to here someone throw out a meaningless number and say that means its a bad place or they have no control. Frankly, I'd be more worried if I saw numbers that indicated students weren't matriculating and graduating mixed with suspension expulsion numbers. For a place like Mount Vernon; people find the numbers and say they are the lowest in the county...this is true but why...it has more to do with what teachers can do very little about...home life. I never knew which one of my students went home to raise their siblings because their parent worked two or three jobs; if you can't do homework at home by basic logic work in school is much more difficult. If parents are never around, students are far more likely to lash out or get in trouble.

I don't know where I was going with all that but I just become frustrated when people are willing to place one school on a pedastal and throw one school in the toilet especially students...this is South Central for god sakes; life is not that bad and the educational services being provided are not that poor either.

just some observations Wrote:
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> I'm always bothered to here someone throw out a
> meaningless number and say that means its a bad
> place or they have no control.

I agree. Why get caught up in all these metrics that show huge variances between schools? They can't really show us anything. Like for instance that Mt. Vernon has a drop rate 44% higher than the FCPS average. These damn metrics show us nothing - they just make people feel bad. And don't look at the graduation rate either that's 5% lower than the county average.

Real Problems are:

* Over half of the kids that attend Mt. Vernon do not have their biological mother and father living in the same home.
* The majority of families no longer go to church.

I'm tired of hearing that the poor kids need to be treated differenty, they are tough etc. Being poor is not an excuse for being a bad person.

To Fairfax County - STOP putting all the subsidized housing in the same place that inevitably creates the s---hole neighborhoods these kids come from.

I agree with "real problem".
nuff said

Real Problem Wrote:
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> Real Problems are:
>
> * Over half of the kids that attend Mt. Vernon do
> not have their biological mother and father living
> in the same home.
> * The majority of families no longer go to
> church.
>
> I'm tired of hearing that the poor kids need to be
> treated differenty, they are tough etc. Being poor
> is not an excuse for being a bad person.
>
> To Fairfax County - STOP putting all the
> subsidized housing in the same place that
> inevitably creates the s---hole neighborhoods
> these kids come from.



" * Over half of the kids that attend Mt. Vernon do not have their biological mother and father living in the same home.
* The majority of families no longer go to church."

...are YOUR "excuses for being a bad person"...

See how hypocrisy works now?

Mount Vernon High has another major disadvantage besides the Route 1 demographics.

What other County high school serves a large military base? None that I know of.
Don't get me wrong, I love 'Murca's military heroes and all, but face it, most of them are pretty trashy and so are their kids.

I like how you nigger loving leftist fucktards insist on ignoring reality.

EVERYWHERE where there's large numbers of non-White hispanics (aka spics) and blacks (aka niggers), you'll see chronic failure.

They'll have insanely high levels of crime, insanely high levels of school flunk out rates, insanely high dependence on government handouts, etc.

Just 3rd world status across the board.

WHY DO YOU INSIST ON IGNORING THIS REALITY???

WHY DO YOU FLOOD OUR COMMUNITES WITH THESE NIGGERS AND SPICS???

WHY DO YOU HATE YOUR OWN RACE AND RUIN OUR COMMUNITIES???

WHY???

And blaming the teachers and principals is such a cop out.

Yes, if you have excellent teachers and excellent teaching programs, you can get pretty decent results out of these nigs and spics.

But why do you expect these teachers and education leaders to be world class?

They're not working at a fucking top notch private school.

They do the best they can.

The teaching methods they use work JUST FINE for most of their White, East Asian and Jewish students.

Don't place all of the blame on the teachers for not being insanely skilled at teaching retarded mongoloid kids.

The REAL reason these kids fail is because they have low innate intelligence!

Don't take my word for it.

And don't just denounce me as a racist.

LOOK UP THE IQ STATISTICS FOR YOURSELVES!!!

THEY'RE WIDELY AVAILABLE.

GOOGLE IMAGE "RACE AND IQ CHARTS".

SEE THE TRUTH FOR YOURSELF.

Niggers have the lowest IQs in the world.

Sorry. But that's just a fact.

Next lowest is the spics.

Then the a-rabs/South Gaysians/Central Gaysians.

Then comes the Southeast Gaysians.

Then comes Whites.

Then come East Asians.

Then comes Ashkenazi Jews at the top of the IQ food chain.

Now... if I was just a White supremacist (and I am - somewhat), then wouldn't I distort the data to place Whites at the top?

And if I was a neo-Nazi (I'm not), then wouldn't I denounce Jews as sub-human?

WHY WOULD I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EAST ASIANS ARE INTELLECTUALLY SUPERIOR TO WHITES???

It's because all I care about is the TRUTH.

I follow the truth wherever it may lead.

Which led me [reluctantly] to my [fact based] racism.

And ALL of the scientific data shows that your precious nig and spic pets just aren't intelligent!

Now, you leftist pieces of shit absolutely LOVE to sneer at the Right and accuse them of being "anti-science" because -some- Christian conservatives question biological evolution.

Yet when it comes to the scientific data on race and intelligence which PROVES that not all races are equally intelligent, then suddenly "it's just a theory..."

FOLLOW THE DATA.

STOP IGNORING REALITY JUST BECAUSE IT DEBUNKS YOUR RACE HARMONY DELUSIONS/FANTASIES.

YOU'VE DONE -ENOUGH- DAMAGE TO OUR COMMUNITIES, OUR COUNTRY AND OUR RACE!!!

You brainwashed and ignorant liberal cunts blaming the teachers and and the principals are so fucking retarded.

Why blame them for biological evolution?

Niggers and spics adapted to enviornments that clearly didn't select for higher intelligence.

DEAL WITH IT.

That is NOT the fault of the teachers who you want to work miracles with these pieces of genetic garbage...

They're TEACHERS.

NOT MAGICIANS.

http://imageshack.us/f/189/scattera.png/

http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html

*shrug*

does anyone have the suspension rate from last year?

its all racist

Actually.... Intelligence is not measurable. Different academics have had different definitions of what intelligence is. There isn't even a consensus. Imagine a scenario where one does poorly in mathematics but is very very good at playing the piano. Is this person intelligent?

Food for thought for a place where racist undertones run rampant.

as suspension go down so do SOL Scores

gov documents always use the term "white hispanic" never just "hispanic" as if they had been sued to do so

^^ the above chart is a fake

Since you are doing all this research can we please finally acknowledge this:

Studies have shown that conservatives have lower IQs then liberals?

http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/01/04/0956797611421206.abstract

being smarter then someone does not make you any better of a human being then them. If you wanna get religious about it, god would want you to accept and help those not as fortunate as you, not condemn them and kick them out of your country when they are simply trying to seek a better life for their family.

and yes, Liberals statistically have higher IQs then conservatives. and Liberals are the ones trying to support these communities.

now take you supremacists ideas and go jump off a bridge, if youre lucky youll land back in the 1940s and not hell.

a wonder anyone with a choice would send their children there

good old days