Did anyone attend the metting today. It was a pack house. What do you think of ms.king comments saying we shouldn't label students good and bad. Do you argee with that? Some people got mad when she said that.

I find it positively comical that two of the four principals Dale props up as poster children for imposing discipline are hardly upstanding members of the community.

You have Dan Meier Principal at Robinson who conned many of his staff into buying that bogus property in NC where he earned a fat commission and they lost millions.

Then you have Nardos King the principal at Mt Vernon, who not only has a suspension rate three times that of comparable FRM schools, but she runs a yearbook ad last year pushing a product that enhances sexual performance!

Are you kidding me? This is the best and the brightest?

These are the role models for our kids?

If these principals believe in this tough love zero tolerance crap then they should have gotten a boot in their AS* when they screwed up.

Did they?

Of course not.

The FCPS machine is VERY forgiving when the adults make mistakes-or "exercise poor judgement" as they put it. But boy do they throw the book at the kids when they bring cough syrup to school!

You couldn't make this stuff up.

they should seriously make a movie about this.

get serious Wrote:
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> I find it positively comical that two of the four
> principals Dale props up as poster children for
> imposing discipline are hardly upstanding members
> of the community.
>
> You have Dan Meier Principal at Robinson who
> conned many of his staff into buying that bogus
> property in NC where he earned a fat commission
> and they lost millions.
>
> Then you have Nardos King the principal at Mt
> Vernon, who not only has a suspension rate three
> times that of comparable FRM schools, but she runs
> a yearbook ad last year pushing a product that
> enhances sexual performance!
>
> Are you kidding me? This is the best and the
> brightest?
>
> These are the role models for our kids?
>
> If these principals believe in this tough love
> zero tolerance crap then they should have gotten a
> boot in their AS* when they screwed up.
>
> Did they?
>
> Of course not.
>
> The FCPS machine is VERY forgiving when the adults
> make mistakes-or "exercise poor judgement" as they
> put it. But boy do they throw the book at the
> kids when they bring cough syrup to school!
>
> You couldn't make this stuff up.

You're serious, get serious?! Dan Meier and Nardos King were two of the four principals at the meeting? That's classic. How is possible that Dan Meier has not been forced to step down as principal at Robinson, after the real estate scam?

Did anyone call attention to this?

Ms.king did get writing up for that. And If she was white and she had the suspension fate that high people would call her racist

Does that count Iss? Cause i had. Iss for one day cause it was my 4 write up for the school year

This School Board and Jack Dale do not get to many things right. Just look at their track record over the last five years.

LAW SUITS AND PARENT UNREST.

They should be RECALLED.

Concerned in South County Wrote:
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> This School Board and Jack Dale do not get to many
> things right. Just look at their track record over
> the last five years.
>
> LAW SUITS AND PARENT UNREST.
>
> They should be RECALLED.


+1

Granted I haven't attened many SB work sessions, but it was interesting how Dale made darn sure he determined what was going to be talked about.

Two hours and not one question was answered. The public learned nothing-assuming educating the public was one of the goals.

Dale has each School Board member mention an area of concern and some overpaid Dale asst writes them down on an oversized piece of paper. One time around the table, then two, then three. Next thing, we have 36-40 issues that SB members want addressed at a future meeting. They post the 6 oversized pages on a wall 20 feet away so nobody can even see them.

Then, just so that absolutely nothing of substance is discussed at this PACKED meeting, Dale does what?

Ready?

He asks each SB member (there are 12, remember) to come up with 3 issues from the list that are most important to them. Since they couldn't even see the list they had to get up from their seats and walk over there.

Get the calculators out, folks. 12 times 3 equals.....36....good. So then they waste the last 45 minutes renaming the issue that was already listed an hour before!!

Great Scot! We pay Dale how much money for this crap?????

This is how you run a meeting?

Not one question was answered. Not one.

How does FCPS align their policy with state and federal law? Woops, we're out of time?

What discretion do principals have, if any in doling out punishments? Stay tuned, for next time, folks, when you MIGHT get an answer.

Go on and on and on. Nothing was discussed...nothing.

The room had to have 20 staff members in it-all making $80-$125k per year and they contributed NOTHING to the discussion. They just sat there.

This place is a circus. The inmates are running the asylum-that I know.

This is scary.

Are they so deluded and detached from reality that they cannot see how this has become a huge charade?

This wasn't a meeting, it was a "facilitation" with Dale serving in the capacity of "facilitator". I suppose it would have been a real insult if they'd hired one of the numerous "consultants" who charge $5000 or so to "facilitate" the discussion.

This is actually rather common in Education, and so in Education Administration. The facilitator elicits "concerns" and issues from the panel, the scribe writes them all down (brainstorming is considered good in these things); then they iterate through the process multiple times, winnowing out duplications, re-phrasings, and the like. Eventually, after a number of passes, the group arrives at a sufficiently "vetted" list that they can then move on to produce a policy paper, a set of directives, a mission statement, whatever.

My colleagues and I tend to mock this whole approach (we're STEM folks, after all); but truth be told, it can be a very effective means of uncovering facts, insights, and actions that need to be taken. The one small wrinkle to this, though, is that the panel is supposed to be a panel of experts, knowledgeable of the research in the field under consideration. These are politicians with in most cases, no formal experience in education at all. True, the administrative staff should be filling in those gaps, but how objective could they be when they are far removed from the classroom and warmly ensconced in Gateway.

What they should have done is brought in legal, education, and mental heath experts to brainstorm over the effectiveness of FCPS discipline, and then present that study to the Board. They should also do a "best practices" study of similar systems throughout North America, and hire an independent polling company to capture the wishes of their constituency, the voters and taxpayers of Fairfax County -- the Board of Supervisors should pay for these things directly out of school system earmarked funds.

Whether you've got kids in the system, or just own a home or business here, the reputation of FCPS is the number one selling point for this county. It impacts our kids' futures, it influences our housing market. No one moves here for the mountain vistas, or the stunning sunsets over the bay, or the thrill of living in the most cosmopolitan city in the world. They move here for jobs and the schools, and those two are intertwined. Montgomery County MD was the larger of the two for many, many years, with a higher performing school system. When Fairfax began to outperform Montgomery, their respective statuses flipped. The current FCPS and School Board seem hellbent to see everyone move to Darnestown.

Personally, I'm dismayed that not a single member objected to the proceedings. The complete lack of varying perspective is exactly what's wrong with this board. Leadership by cookie cutter. What a sham!

Concerned in South County Wrote:
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> This School Board and Jack Dale do not get to many things right. Just look at their track record over the last five years.<
>
> LAW SUITS AND PARENT UNREST.
>
> They should be RECALLED.<

As there is a School Board election in November, it's too late for a recall.

As there is a School Board election in November, it's too late for a recall.
-Should be interesting-
What purpose does the Board see in suspending a student then transferring them to another school? It's up to the base school to deal with it, not ship the student and so call problem to another school, then that school ships one of theirs to another and on and on....it solves nothing, makes no sense. The student should stay at their base school and all parties deal with it. When I went to high school, if you got suspended, it was just that, then you returned, not get shipped to another school.

You don't get shipped off to another school for a suspension.

You get shipped off for an "expulsion".

When I went to high school, if you got expelled, you got expelled. As in "see you later" and off to private school or military school.

When I was in school, you could drop out at age 16. That's not true anymore (hasn't been since George #1's "Goals 2000" education program). That change has forced schools to keep these kids in some building. It's not easy and it's expensive. I'm not letting FCPS off the hook. I certainly think they need a "real review" with "real experts". I totally agree with the above poster who wrote:



What they should have done is brought in legal, education, and mental heath experts to brainstorm over the effectiveness of FCPS discipline, and then present that study to the Board. They should also do a "best practices" study of similar systems throughout North America, and hire an independent polling company to capture the wishes of their constituency, the voters and taxpayers of Fairfax County -- the Board of Supervisors should pay for these things directly out of school system earmarked funds.

Qualified or not the format was dumb.

They wrote down 40 items/issues and then went back and picked 36 of them.

Total waste of two hours.

Brainstorm? No. Try shi@ storm.

Dale was clearly trying to avoid any substantive discussion, particularly with the large crowd gathered.

No sense Wrote:
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> Qualified or not the format was dumb.
>
> They wrote down 40 items/issues and then went back
> and picked 36 of them.
>
> Total waste of two hours.
>
> Brainstorm? No. Try shi@ storm.
>
> Dale was clearly trying to avoid any substantive
> discussion, particularly with the large crowd
> gathered.

Keep in mind large crowds mean nothing to this School Board or Dale. You have to continue to sick the media on them. Continue to show in VERY public ways how ridiculous the policies are with regard to the same punishment for bringing an illegal substance and a controlled substance to school. I am all for punishments, but let's not give a student that figuratively executes a rolling stop the same punishment as one convicted of vehicular manslaughter. In effect that is what the current FCPS Policy does.

I cannot believe that Meier was held up as an example of anything. In most places being part of a real estate scam would be disqualifier for a position of trust - not in FCPS. Does Dale have any sense of how comments like that are perceived?

I agree that they only thing that will ever move the SB is the media. The Post has the drumbeat going now. The SB and FCPS admin cherish their reputation above all else - they'll do anything to make those stories go away, even if it means (gasp) doing the right thing.

The kid with the service dog got justice in just a few weeks after the parents went public. Dale and the SB cannot stand to have their names dragged through the mud - might hurt their chances for their next job.

The SR&R will get a total re-write in record time. I'm betting we end up a 'Student Advocate' - someone whose job it is to advocate for students with the hearing office. It's reprehensible that we need it, but I bet that's what ends up being put in place.

Seriously? Wrote:
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> get serious Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I find it positively comical that two of the
> four
> > principals Dale props up as poster children for
> > imposing discipline are hardly upstanding
> members
> > of the community.
> >
> > You have Dan Meier Principal at Robinson who
> > conned many of his staff into buying that bogus
> > property in NC where he earned a fat commission
> > and they lost millions.
> >
> > Then you have Nardos King the principal at Mt
> > Vernon, who not only has a suspension rate
> three
> > times that of comparable FRM schools, but she
> runs
> > a yearbook ad last year pushing a product that
> > enhances sexual performance!
> >
> > Are you kidding me? This is the best and the
> > brightest?
> >
> > These are the role models for our kids?
> >
> > If these principals believe in this tough love
> > zero tolerance crap then they should have gotten
> a
> > boot in their AS* when they screwed up.
> >
> > Did they?
> >
> > Of course not.
> >
> > The FCPS machine is VERY forgiving when the
> adults
> > make mistakes-or "exercise poor judgement" as
> they
> > put it. But boy do they throw the book at the
> > kids when they bring cough syrup to school!
> >
> > You couldn't make this stuff up.
>
> You're serious, get serious?! Dan Meier and
> Nardos King were two of the four principals at the
> meeting? That's classic. How is possible that
> Dan Meier has not been forced to step down as
> principal at Robinson, after the real estate
> scam?
>
> Did anyone call attention to this?

Ms.King is a joke Seriously? Wrote:
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> get serious Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I find it positively comical that two of the
> four
> > principals Dale props up as poster children for
> > imposing discipline are hardly upstanding
> members
> > of the community.
> >
> > You have Dan Meier Principal at Robinson who
> > conned many of his staff into buying that bogus
> > property in NC where he earned a fat commission
> > and they lost millions.
> >
> > Then you have Nardos King the principal at Mt
> > Vernon, who not only has a suspension rate
> three
> > times that of comparable FRM schools, but she
> runs
> > a yearbook ad last year pushing a product that
> > enhances sexual performance!
> >
> > Are you kidding me? This is the best and the
> > brightest?
> >
> > These are the role models for our kids?
> >
> > If these principals believe in this tough love
> > zero tolerance crap then they should have gotten
> a
> > boot in their AS* when they screwed up.
> >
> > Did they?
> >
> > Of course not.
> >
> > The FCPS machine is VERY forgiving when the
> adults
> > make mistakes-or "exercise poor judgement" as
> they
> > put it. But boy do they throw the book at the
> > kids when they bring cough syrup to school!
> >
> > You couldn't make this stuff up.
>
> You're serious, get serious?! Dan Meier and
> Nardos King were two of the four principals at the
> meeting? That's classic. How is possible that
> Dan Meier has not been forced to step down as
> principal at Robinson, after the real estate
> scam?
>
> Did anyone call attention to this?

Reasons:

1) She ran a yearbook ad for suspicious weight loss and sex products.

2) She hired The Flippen Group (Flip Flippen) and it was a waste of money.

3) She can't meet the SOL target.

How many more reasons do we need? Fire this incompetent bitch now.

Seriously? Wrote:
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> get serious Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I find it positively comical that two of the
> four
> > principals Dale props up as poster children for
> > imposing discipline are hardly upstanding
> members
> > of the community.
> >
> > You have Dan Meier Principal at Robinson who
> > conned many of his staff into buying that bogus
> > property in NC where he earned a fat commission
> > and they lost millions.
> >
> > Then you have Nardos King the principal at Mt
> > Vernon, who not only has a suspension rate
> three
> > times that of comparable FRM schools, but she
> runs
> > a yearbook ad last year pushing a product that
> > enhances sexual performance!
> >
> > Are you kidding me? This is the best and the
> > brightest?
> >
> > These are the role models for our kids?
> >
> > If these principals believe in this tough love
> > zero tolerance crap then they should have gotten
> a
> > boot in their AS* when they screwed up.
> >
> > Did they?
> >
> > Of course not.
> >
> > The FCPS machine is VERY forgiving when the
> adults
> > make mistakes-or "exercise poor judgement" as
> they
> > put it. But boy do they throw the book at the
> > kids when they bring cough syrup to school!
> >
> > You couldn't make this stuff up.
>
> You're serious, get serious?! Dan Meier and
> Nardos King were two of the four principals at the
> meeting? That's classic. How is possible that
> Dan Meier has not been forced to step down as
> principal at Robinson, after the real estate
> scam?
>
> Did anyone call attention to this?

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