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another entrapment operation
Posted by: stinkypoon ()
Date: October 26, 2007 04:45PM

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/reports/reports2007/102607shouldertap.htm

What a great use of tax-paid police time to go around and criminalize people that otherwise would not be committing any crime. Maybe if they spent less time doing shit like this, Reston wouldn't have as big of a real crime or gang problem.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: § ()
Date: October 26, 2007 06:06PM

WTF! Last night I was asked to buy beer at the 7-11 on Sunset Hills around 8pm by a kid in jeans and a hooded sweatshirt. I told him sorry, but I couldn't help him. Dodged that bullet! -§

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: October 26, 2007 06:56PM

Is your car ok? Are you sure this was a police cadet who approached you? Kids have been known to key cars that don't cooperate with them. You'd be wise to walk around your car to check.

I had my car keyed at the Reston Library, for no apparent reason other than it is a Mercedes. It's not even a new one! And I had no bummer stickers. I won't be using that library branch again.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Fairfax Citizen ()
Date: October 26, 2007 07:58PM

Thank you public safety officials and cadets.

You may have prevented another DUI accident where life is lost.
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Gerry Collolly - Stay of of Sully District on Oct. 27
Posted by: BoDan ()
Date: October 26, 2007 08:13PM

Fairfax County police officers will conduct DWI-directed patrol throughout the Sully District to deter and apprehend intoxicated drivers.
This will take place on Saturday, October 27 from 10 p.m. until 1 a.m. Sunday. Motorists stopped for suspicion of driving while intoxicated will be checked to assure that their abilities to drive have not been impaired by alcohol or drugs.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: stinkypoon ()
Date: October 27, 2007 10:02AM

Fairfax Citizen Wrote:
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> Thank you public safety officials and cadets.
>
> You may have prevented another DUI accident where
> life is lost.


Fuck you. Go live in North Korea if you think this is acceptable.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Mr. Wow Man ()
Date: October 27, 2007 10:30AM

Dude, stinkypoon, don't be an asshole! Fairfax Citizen was stating his opinion and you have to go rag on him like that? How about this on for size - FUCK YOU!!!

Have a pleasant weekend! :)

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Beck ()
Date: October 27, 2007 12:39PM

What is car keying and why is it done?

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Fairfax Citizen ()
Date: October 27, 2007 01:06PM

It's when a kid like stinkypoon, demonstrates his age and ignorance by saying F*ck you. Go live in North Korea... and walks the length of your BMW scratching his key along the side.

Again I laud the Fairfax police and safety officials. It's punks like stinkypoon that make your jobs more difficult. You wonder when they reach the age of maturity what will happen to these malcontents, jail/prison?


Thank you Mr. Wow Man for a more mature perspective.

Last Thing stinkypoon Sees
before He Is Taken to the Slammer
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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: October 27, 2007 01:22PM

Neen Wrote:
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> Is your car ok? Are you sure this was a police
> cadet who approached you? Kids have been known to
> key cars that don't cooperate with them. You'd be
> wise to walk around your car to check.
>
> I had my car keyed at the Reston Library, for no
> apparent reason other than it is a Mercedes. It's
> not even a new one! And I had no bummer stickers.
> I won't be using that library branch again.


Only liberals hang out in libraries. They feel knowledge is good. Libraries loan out books for free and they think it is for the greater good. SOCIALISTS! This is paid for by my taxes and I dont want to pay higher taxes so the government can tell me what or when to read.

Go to Barnes and Noble or Amazon, there you have a freedom of choice of which books you want to read. No one can tell you what to read, like they do in the socialist library. Leninist, Marxist libraries. , This is why I am against libraries.

And being one of those liberal elite, you absolutely deserved to have your car keyed by a Patriotic American who probably fought for our freedom in Iraq.

Why do you hate America and capitalism so much?

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: slimey ()
Date: October 27, 2007 01:32PM

Radiophile Wrote:
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> Neen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Is your car ok? Are you sure this was a police
> > cadet who approached you? Kids have been known
> to
> > key cars that don't cooperate with them. You'd
> be
> > wise to walk around your car to check.
> >
> > I had my car keyed at the Reston Library, for
> no
> > apparent reason other than it is a Mercedes.
> It's
> > not even a new one! And I had no bummer
> stickers.
> > I won't be using that library branch again.
>
>
> Only liberals hang out in libraries. They feel
> knowledge is good. Libraries loan out books for
> free and they think it is for the greater good.
> SOCIALISTS! This is paid for by my taxes and I
> dont want to pay higher taxes so the government
> can tell me what or when to read.
>
> Go to Barnes and Noble or Amazon, there you have
> a freedom of choice of which books you want to
> read. No one can tell you what to read, like they
> do in the socialist library. Leninist, Marxist
> libraries. , This is why I am against libraries.
>
> And being one of those liberal elite, you
> absolutely deserved to have your car keyed by a
> Patriotic American who probably fought for our
> freedom in Iraq.
>
> Why do you hate America and capitalism so much?


So libraries are a Marxist plot? I guess the Reagan Library was the result
of a conspiracy too then. I know of one though that fits the description,
and thats the Clinton Library. Ho Chi Minh and Jane Fonda funded that one.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: October 27, 2007 01:48PM

> So libraries are a Marxist plot? I guess the
> Reagan Library was the result
> of a conspiracy too then. I know of one though
> that fits the description,
> and thats the Clinton Library. Ho Chi Minh and
> Jane Fonda funded that one.

See, liberals do not know what they are talking about. I would guess you are speaking of the Reagan and Clinton PRESIDENTIAL libraries which were built primarily to house the documents and other artifacts from their years in the White House, not to loan out books for free.

I will prove my point. My neighbor went to his local library to get the new Ann Coulter book. They said it was out and offered to put him on a waiting list and they would call or email when it was available. He went home and ordered it Amazon, paid around $20 and $12.95 express shipping and got it the next day!
It is now displayed on his bookshelf! See how the free market works.

I do not want to have to wait for the new Hammity, Coulter, or Limbaugh book. That is why I hate socialist libraries! Let the free market dictate what and when you read!

And if you have children who want to read - get the Hammity's children book. That is all they will ever need to know.

If you want libraries - move to Canada, you socialist.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/27/2007 01:53PM by Radiophile.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: October 27, 2007 02:14PM

To further prove my point -since liberals "just do not get it" - this is the mission statement from the American Library Association

“to provide leadership for the development, promotion, and improvement of library and information services and the profession of librarianship in order to enhance learning and ensure access to information for all.”

First of all, the ALA was founded in 1876 and is chartered in Massachusetts - you know home of Ted Kennedy!

Second, look at the last few words "ensure access to information for all"!!!!!
That is socialism. The ALA represents libraries and the ALA is a socialist organization!

Third the ALA says "for all". That includes illegal aliens! The ALA supports illegal aliens. They hate America and our way of life!

I think I will go to my local library and key some cars. Anyone want to join me?
All I ask is you wear your American Flag pin - not like barak Osama (bin Laden).



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/27/2007 02:33PM by Radiophile.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: slimey ()
Date: October 27, 2007 03:16PM

Radiophile Wrote:
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> > So libraries are a Marxist plot? I guess the
> > Reagan Library was the result
> > of a conspiracy too then. I know of one though
> > that fits the description,
> > and thats the Clinton Library. Ho Chi Minh and
> > Jane Fonda funded that one.
>
> See, liberals do not know what they are talking
> about. I would guess you are speaking of the
> Reagan and Clinton PRESIDENTIAL libraries which
> were built primarily to house the documents and
> other artifacts from their years in the White
> House, not to loan out books for free.
>
> I will prove my point. My neighbor went to his
> local library to get the new Ann Coulter book.
> They said it was out and offered to put him on a
> waiting list and they would call or email when it
> was available. He went home and ordered it Amazon,
> paid around $20 and $12.95 express shipping and
> got it the next day!
> It is now displayed on his bookshelf! See how the
> free market works.
>
> I do not want to have to wait for the new Hammity,
> Coulter, or Limbaugh book. That is why I hate
> socialist libraries! Let the free market dictate
> what and when you read!
>
> And if you have children who want to read - get
> the Hammity's children book. That is all they will
> ever need to know.
>
> If you want libraries - move to Canada, you
> socialist.


Me? A socialist? Id like to discuss this further, but I have a John Birch
meeting to go to this afternoon. Later.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: 4wheeler ()
Date: October 27, 2007 08:54PM

stinkypoon Wrote:
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> What a great use of tax-paid police time to go
> around and criminalize people that otherwise would
> not be committing any crime.

How do u figure that??? So you are saying that an honest citizen like yourself can't say no to a "underage looking kid" ???? give me a fucking break!. Sure, it's never your fault. It's always someone elses, right??

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: October 27, 2007 09:25PM

4wheeler Wrote:
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> stinkypoon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What a great use of tax-paid police time to go
> > around and criminalize people that otherwise
> would
> > not be committing any crime.
>
> How do u figure that??? So you are saying that an
> honest citizen like yourself can't say no to a
> "underage looking kid" ???? give me a fucking
> break!. Sure, it's never your fault. It's always
> someone elses, right?

First we need to define the question. Is wrong to buy underage people alcohol? Yes, it is. Is it illegal? Yes it is.

It it entrapment for an undercover police cadet to ask a person to commit a crime with the intention of arresting the citizen should the citizen oblige? Yes it is.

Should the police entrap normally law abiding citizens (remember we are presumed innocent until proven guilty) by enticing them to commit a crime? No absolutely not.

The law is the law. Entrapment is just not acceptable in the eyes of the law.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Frank ()
Date: October 27, 2007 10:02PM

Apparently, your definition of "entrapment" differs from that of the judicial system. Guess which definition matters?

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: October 27, 2007 10:28PM

Frank Wrote:
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> Apparently, your definition of "entrapment"
> differs from that of the judicial system. Guess
> which definition matters?



the definition that the side with the most guns has.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: October 27, 2007 10:43PM

n. in criminal law, the act of law enforcement officers or government agents inducing or encouraging a person to commit a crime when the potential criminal expresses a desire not to go ahead. The key to entrapment is whether the idea for the commission or encouragement of the criminal act originated with the police or government agents instead of with the "criminal." Entrapment, if proved, is a defense to a criminal prosecution. The accused often claims entrapment in so-called "stings" in which undercover agents buy or sell narcotics, prostitutes' services or arrange to purchase goods believed to be stolen. The factual question is: Would Johnny Begood have purchased the drugs if not pressed by the narc?

It seems pretty clear to me.... Did Gravis approach a bunch of teenage girls at the 7-11 and say "I can buy beer, lets PARTY!" or was Gravis just minding his own business and was approached by a cadet with an agenda?



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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: stinkypoon ()
Date: October 28, 2007 09:34AM

Fairfax Citizen Wrote:
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> It's when a kid like stinkypoon, demonstrates his
> age and ignorance by saying F*ck you. Go live in
> North Korea... and walks the length of your BMW
> scratching his key along the side.
>
> Again I laud the Fairfax police and safety
> officials. It's punks like stinkypoon that make
> your jobs more difficult. You wonder when they
> reach the age of maturity what will happen to
> these malcontents, jail/prison?
>
> Thank you Mr. Wow Man for a more mature
> perspective.
>
> Last Thing stinkypoon Sees
> before He Is Taken to the Slammer


It's when a self-righteous prick like Fairfax Citizen, probably a closet pedophile, enjoys his taxes funding operations that criminalize people that had no intention of committing any crimes until approached. I don't know what part of that you think is ethical or legal, but until your kids and the rest of MS13 are rounded up, I don't think the police should be engaging in entrapment operations. And no, I have never bought for minors, nor would I. It's a matter of ethics and the law. It's pretty fucked up.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: radiophile U iDIOT ()
Date: October 28, 2007 12:02PM

Radiophile, you have to be the biggest idiot on this board, first you need to learn how to spell Hannity, it's not Hammity dumb ass. "Patriotic psycho babble like yours is the reason our young men and women are dying in Iraq now, and won't have the opportunity, (as your dumb ass so stupidly put it), to be a Patriotic American and key a car.

You are an embarassment to the race and I am sure your family, please stop exposing your hatred and stupidness, and go back to the woods and resume your family relations, the big city is too much for you to handle, you pig headed, pot belly, mis-guided, Jerry Springer guest.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: October 28, 2007 12:28PM

Radiophile Wrote:
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> It seems pretty clear to me.... Did Gravis
> approach a bunch of teenage girls at the 7-11 and
> say "I can buy beer, lets PARTY!"


im innocent! i never said they could have any!


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: October 28, 2007 07:44PM

radiophile U iDIOT Wrote:
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> Radiophile, you have to be the biggest idiot on
> this board, first you need to learn how to spell
> Hannity, it's not Hammity dumb ass. "Patriotic
> psycho babble like yours is the reason our young
> men and women are dying in Iraq now, and won't
> have the opportunity, (as your dumb ass so
> stupidly put it), to be a Patriotic American and
> key a car.
>
> You are an embarassment to the race and I am sure
> your family, please stop exposing your hatred and
> stupidness, and go back to the woods and resume
> your family relations, the big city is too much
> for you to handle, you pig headed, pot belly,
> mis-guided, Jerry Springer guest.

In my first post, substitute "Health Care" for "libraries" and you get
an almost word for word "why we don't need national health care" rant from "Hammity".

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Molester ()
Date: October 28, 2007 07:56PM

stinkypoon Wrote:
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> Fairfax Citizen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> It's when a self-righteous prick like Fairfax
> Citizen, probably a closet pedophile,

I second, that Fairfax Citizen is probably a pedophile. I've noticed he is big into animated gif's which is a way pedophiles exchange information and pictures.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: October 28, 2007 10:05PM

I second, that Fairfax Citizen is probably

Fairfax Citizen is the same "guy" that posts as "Bob James", "Job Beams", and "Jimmy".

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: October 28, 2007 10:14PM

Hey now theres an easy solution to this problem. WHen anyone underage asks you to buy beer for them, take their moeny, buy the beer, and leave. Forget them, you just got a free case!

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: October 28, 2007 10:21PM

take their moeny, buy the beer, and leave. Forget them, you just got a free case!

That's a freekin great idea, but I bet they could still charge you with something. Or what if you just took the money and got back into your car and left?

LOL, that's an awesome idea, I wonder what they would charge you with though?

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: § ()
Date: October 29, 2007 12:26PM

If you get pulled over....tell the police officer you thought you were doing the kid a favor and since he "handed" you the cash. You can tell the kid that "I'd rather not purchase at this store, but I'll try the one across the street and be right back." By the time he figures out what's going on, you're out of sight.

Re: the car being keyed: No, didn't happen since (1) he asked me as I was leaving and (2) he was most likely a cadet given the date, time and location of when I at this 7-11.

As for libraries and free-market books: Why the hell would you pay for anything by Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity? No one in Fairfax county reads that crap and they certainly don't deserve any royalties for their blow-hard drivel. Libraries facilitate education. Everyone agrees that education is good and should be free. Get with the program and next time, stay on-topic. -§

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: October 29, 2007 12:35PM

do what i do, take the money and then walk off. ^_^


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: stinkypoon ()
Date: October 29, 2007 02:38PM

4wheeler Wrote:
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> stinkypoon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What a great use of tax-paid police time to go
> > around and criminalize people that otherwise
> would
> > not be committing any crime.
>
> How do u figure that??? So you are saying that an
> honest citizen like yourself can't say no to a
> "underage looking kid" ???? give me a fucking
> break!. Sure, it's never your fault. It's always
> someone elses, right??

Dickweed, I'm not the one in trouble. It's entrapment and it's wrong.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: stinkypoon ()
Date: October 29, 2007 02:40PM

Of course, if they had any regard for the law they'd be charging the kids doing the shoulder-tapping. Of course, that would dry out the pool of volunteers rather quickly, but in an honest world that actually regards the law and doesn't make shit up that's how it would happen.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: A. Parent ()
Date: October 29, 2007 03:16PM

Children, it's not entrapment. If you are stupid enough to buy or sell alcohol to minors, you deserve to be arrested. A number of your classmates died this year and in past years because someone gave them access to prohibited beverages. If you really think YOU are entrapped, hire a lawyer and take your case to the courts. I haven't seen any successful verdicts, have you? And stinkypoon, clean-up your language and act your age.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: October 29, 2007 06:29PM

Asshole Parent,
   allow me to familiarize you with something called a definition.

Quote

en·trap·ment /ɛnˈtræpmənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[en-trap-muhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the luring by a law-enforcement agent of a person into committing a crime.
2. an act or process of entrapping.
3. a state of being entrapped.

now, do see definition number one? if you cant comprehend you're in error, please throw yourself off a bridge as you do not deserve to live.

your bff,
Gravis


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Another parent ()
Date: October 29, 2007 07:45PM

Ahhh, I see. The juvenile delinquents on Fairfax Underground have it right and all the lawyers, judges and law enforcement agencies have it wrong, huh?

It is NOT entrapment. They are not enticing, luring, coercing or otherwise forcing anyone to buy beer for them. To merely ask a question does not come anywhere near "entrapment." The person who is asked is ALWAYS free to say "no" and walk away, or better yet, to say "no" and walk away and call the police. They are NOT taking away your freedom of choice.

Are we lead to believe that you people would actually contribute to the delinquency of a minor by aiding an OBVIOUSLY underaged person in purchasing an age restricted item? After all, who would bother to ask this question if they WERE NOT underaged? Wouldn't they just walk in and buy what they were legally able to purchase themselves? THAT is what you are forgetting and THAT is precisely one of the reasons it is not "entrapment."

Also, the cadets used in these operations, like when they actually do enter stores and try to purchases alcoholic beverages while obviously underaged, are instructed to tell with the clerk or the person asked to purchase alcohol for them their true age when asked! There is no secrecy here.

These operations have been going on for several years. Do you guys think that you are so clever that no scumbag ever charged with this crime, or said scumbag's shyster lawyer, have ever, in the entire history of the Fourth Circuit, thought to use the old tried and true "entrapment" defense?

Do you really think these arrests would continue if the arrests are being ruled invalid in a court of law?

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: October 29, 2007 08:11PM

Asshole Parent Wrote:
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> Ahhh, I see. The juvenile delinquents on Fairfax
> Underground have it right and all the lawyers,
> judges and law enforcement agencies have it wrong,
> huh?


much like your beliefs, they have twisted the law into something it's not. for the record, im not a juvenile or a delinquent, ive just seen some fucked up shit happen that cops can get away with while the public turns a blind eye.


> It is NOT entrapment. They are not enticing,
> luring, coercing or otherwise forcing anyone to
> buy beer for them.


im sure the person asking wasnt planning on saying "im gonna need change too" therefore the prospect of some money is entailed. perhaps the entrapped would get a few bucks out of it for just picking up a case of beer in a place they were going into anyway.


> To merely ask a question does
> not come anywhere near "entrapment." The person
> who is asked is ALWAYS free to say "no" and walk
> away, or better yet, to say "no" and walk away and
> call the police.


are you serious? you would really call the cops over some shit like this? wow, you are one of the dumbasses that wastes the cops' time on something petty.


> Do you really think these arrests would continue
> if the arrests are being ruled invalid in a court
> of law?


of course not... but that still doesnt mean they are valid arrests.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Lurker. ()
Date: October 29, 2007 08:17PM

Well I see the point Gravis is making.

A tough call because certainly if the officer or Cadet wasn't there the person would never of committed the crime. There is the reward of money for doing the crime and the person is certainly lured into the crime.

These seem like extremely weak cases that any good lawyer and judge would have to throw out.

All the person needs to say is "I felt pressured into doing it."



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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: joe ()
Date: October 29, 2007 08:20PM

Why is "underage drinking" such a crime? So, if a 20yr old asks you to buy them a case of beer, and you are over 21, then you are a hardened criminal? On the Isle of Man, the drinking age is 5! Just saying...

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: slimey ()
Date: October 29, 2007 08:43PM

joe Wrote:
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> Why is "underage drinking" such a crime? So, if a
> 20yr old asks you to buy them a case of beer, and
> you are over 21, then you are a hardened criminal?
> On the Isle of Man, the drinking age is 5! Just
> saying...

Underage drinking is a crime because its against the law. If you feel so strongly
that 5 year olds should be able to drink, then you have the opportunity to start
contacting your elected officials and demand that they change the law. Good luck!
Other than that, why not move to the Ile of Man? Im sure that police officers
and councelors could elaborage much better than I could on the perils of under-
age drinking, but I have seen its results. I had a friend in high school who
started drinking whiskey at the age of 12. By the time he reached 24, he died
as a result. Sad. He was a smart guy and well liked by everyone who knew him when
he was sober. That is except his parents who condoned it. They should have been tried in court but unfortunately, they too slipped through the cracks.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: October 29, 2007 08:51PM

They are not enticing, luring, coercing or otherwise forcing anyone to buy beer for them.

The state is disguising its identity in order to knowingly ASK an innocent citizen to commit an illegal act.

And that's your idea of maintaining "law and order"??

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: A. Parent ()
Date: October 29, 2007 09:37PM

Gravis, as a 19-year old stuck in a Zelda time warp, I wonder how you manage your GMU studies. I would suggest that you concentrate more on your studies and less on "entrapment." Please let us know your court date. I want to see how you use your superb programmer's logic to argue your case.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: October 29, 2007 10:14PM

A. Parent Wrote:
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> Gravis, as a 19-year old stuck in a Zelda time
> warp, I wonder how you manage your GMU studies. I
> would suggest that you concentrate more on your
> studies and less on "entrapment." Please let us
> know your court date. I want to see how you use
> your superb programmer's logic to argue your case.


oh woe is me! you have me pinned down... except im 24, dont go to GMU and im a professional programmer. i manage just fine you twit. go back to yelling at kids to get off your lawn.

have a great summer!
Gravis


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: October 29, 2007 10:15PM

I would suggest that you concentrate more on your studies and less on "entrapment." Please let us know your court date. I want to see how you use your superb programmer's logic to argue your case.

So in other words you just lost your leg to stand on?

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: A. Parent ()
Date: October 30, 2007 06:19AM

Wow, a professional programmer! You're still a Zero, Gravis Zero. I will update my GMU contacts. Gravis, AKA TheMeeper, AKA Gravis Zero, AKA Fairfax Citizen. Oh, you forgot to provide your court date for buying alcohol for minors.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: October 30, 2007 07:45AM

Uh-oh, sounds like somebody better hurry up and go clear the mantle-piece...I see "Parent of the Year" in someone's future...

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: hold em ()
Date: October 30, 2007 08:28AM

Although I think what the person buying the beer did was illegal I also believe it is a shady way to set them up. I agree that they would not have purchased the beer had they not been approached to do so in the first place. Kind of like an integrity test, do we really need to do this? Kind of smacks of a big brother thing where the government will test you to see what kind of person you are.

My thinking may be out of the average but I do not see the "reefer madness" logic applied to beer. I do not advocate kids getting stoned but drinking in moderation seems acceptable to me. Sure I see alcoholism but I also see abuse of presdription drugs, fast cars and fast food. Should we make people wait until they are 21 to eat at McDonalds or drive a Mustang.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: stinkypoon ()
Date: October 30, 2007 08:42AM

joe Wrote:
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> Why is "underage drinking" such a crime? So, if a
> 20yr old asks you to buy them a case of beer, and
> you are over 21, then you are a hardened criminal?
> On the Isle of Man, the drinking age is 5! Just
> saying...


Way to derail the topic. Go take your ADD medication before playing on the internets.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: stinkypoon ()
Date: October 30, 2007 08:45AM

Asshole parent, I hope some day your dumb ass gets snared by an entrapment operation. I know you think you're too smart to fall for this, but maybe another kind of crime involving kids.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: October 30, 2007 01:19PM

Ok,let me try and put this as simply as I can.

Standing on a busy street corner yelling "Drugs for sale" and arresting the one who tries to buy drugs - NOT entrapment.

Approaching an individual and saying "Hey Mr., please buy some drugs from me" and then arresting that individual, ENTRAPMENT.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/30/2007 01:20PM by Radiophile.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Jester ()
Date: October 30, 2007 02:34PM

Maybe in their next operation can they can encourage people to speed and then bust them.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: October 30, 2007 03:58PM

Re: A. Parent:
Im pretty sure Gravis and The Meeper are 2 different people



Radiophile, you forgot to say that the person asking you to buy drugs is a cop or cop partner.



Heres another example:

VDOT allows trees to grow over speed limit sign which lowers speed limit by 10 mph.

Cops run radar trap just past obscured sign.

Citizens ticketed for speeding. (both from the area , who may have seen the sign before, and citizens from another place who have never seen the sign)

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: 4wheeler ()
Date: October 30, 2007 05:03PM

stinkypoon Wrote:
>
> Dickweed, I'm not the one in trouble. It's
> entrapment and it's wrong.


Never said u were...All i'm saying is that if someone who looks underage, or anyone for that matter, asks "somebody" to buy alcohol, all they have to do is say no. All they are doing is looking for some dumbass to fall for that. Kind of like picking up hookers on the side of the road. Is it ilegal, yes, well...get a freaking clue.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: ben ()
Date: October 30, 2007 05:20PM

KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> Re: A. Parent:
> Im pretty sure Gravis and The Meeper are 2
> different people
>
>
>
> Radiophile, you forgot to say that the person
> asking you to buy drugs is a cop or cop partner.
>
>
>
> Heres another example:
>
> VDOT allows trees to grow over speed limit sign
> which lowers speed limit by 10 mph.
>
> Cops run radar trap just past obscured sign.
>
> Citizens ticketed for speeding. (both from the
> area , who may have seen the sign before, and
> citizens from another place who have never seen
> the sign)


Citizens take pictures and go to court saying speed limit sign was obscured.

Cop doesn't lie, tells judge on further inspection speed limit sign was obscured, officer has taken action to remedy situation.

Ticket is thrown out by judge.

(Please note in the above scenario, the officer has to tell the truth in court. Hahaha, right? Actually, I saw it happen once.)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/30/2007 05:21PM by ben.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Lurker. ()
Date: October 30, 2007 05:45PM

I'll vouch that Gravis and TheMeeper are not the same person. Would be an interesting Vulcan mind meld however.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/30/2007 05:55PM by Lurker..

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: October 30, 2007 06:07PM

I'll vouch that Gravis and TheMeeper are not the same person. Would be an interesting Vulcan mind meld however.
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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Margie ()
Date: October 30, 2007 06:29PM

LMAO....ROFL

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: hold em ()
Date: October 30, 2007 07:35PM

Is beer really the demon the government is making it out to be? If we keep holding it as some secret thing that only a 21 year old and up should have of course kids are going to be curious and bust their ass to get some.

I do not think we give 18-21 year olds enough credit to do the right thing. Of course the media fans the flames every time a kid gets into a wreck ignoring the multitude of adults doing the same thing. When five kids are killed in a couple of months are we also aware that literally millions of kids in this area are not getting in trouble.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Lurker. ()
Date: October 31, 2007 09:40AM

LOL Meeper.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Sting ()
Date: October 31, 2007 09:47AM

So this weekend me and my friend were at a movie. These two kids ask him for a cig and soon as he pulled them out and handed one over cops, pigs, cows and all sorts of farm animals came out of the bushes, trees and any place you could hide. They arrested him and took him away in the farm use only truck and I've not heard from him since.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Jester ()
Date: October 31, 2007 10:08AM

Sting Wrote:
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> So this weekend me and my friend were at a movie.
> These two kids ask him for a cig and soon as he
> pulled them out and handed one over cops, pigs,
> cows and all sorts of farm animals came out of the
> bushes, trees and any place you could hide. They
> arrested him and took him away in the farm use
> only truck and I've not heard from him since.

Was there also some qaylude nerdy glasses looking black guy with a bullhorn yelling "the truth?" I'd start smoking to not be in the same category as him.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: stinkypoon ()
Date: October 31, 2007 10:18AM

4wheeler Wrote:
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> Never said u were...All i'm saying is that if
> someone who looks underage, or anyone for that
> matter, asks "somebody" to buy alcohol, all they
> have to do is say no. All they are doing is
> looking for some dumbass to fall for that. Kind of
> like picking up hookers on the side of the road.
> Is it ilegal, yes, well...get a freaking clue.


I'm not defending them. It's illegal and I would never do it. What I have a problem with is the police, using our tax money, are going out and creating perps out of people that otherwise would not be committing a crime. That is essentially creating a crime, and it's unethical, a betrayal to the community, and a was of tax dollars and police time. We have MS13 wielding machetes around here and these nuckleheads are out inventing crimes? It's absurd.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: stinkypoon ()
Date: October 31, 2007 04:10PM

They're doing it again:

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/reports/reports2007/103007shouldertapopinfranconia.htm

Has Fairfax County become so crime-free that they have to go out and create crimes?

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: ben ()
Date: November 01, 2007 10:08AM

stinkypoon Wrote:
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> They're doing it again:
>
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/reports/report
> s2007/103007shouldertapopinfranconia.htm
>
> Has Fairfax County become so crime-free that they
> have to go out and create crimes?


I'm really curious to know when you're guilty. Is it when you accept money, or when you leave the store with the booze, or is it when you hand it over to the kid?

I'm asking because after reading about their little sting operations, I'd cut and run with the money if they ever tried to "shoulder tap" me..

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Lurker. ()
Date: November 01, 2007 11:23AM

stinkypoon Wrote:
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> They're doing it again:
>
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/reports/report
> s2007/103007shouldertapopinfranconia.htm
>
> Has Fairfax County become so crime-free that they
> have to go out and create crimes?

True, I would rather see these officers staking out the areas where all these rapes keep happening or finding the guy who keeps trying to abduct kids.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: stinkypoon ()
Date: November 08, 2007 01:45PM


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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Jimmy ()
Date: November 08, 2007 02:57PM

A great operation! How many underage drinkers were saved from DUI? Let's continue this public safety program with renewed vigor. A lot of arrests at 7-Elevens--don't these folks understand? Maybe not, if they speak Urdu.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: November 08, 2007 03:23PM

So Bob James, you got flamed and dismissed in this thread when you posted with your "Fairfax Citizen" handle, and now you come back and post as "Jimmy", expecting something different?

You're seriously more deranged than Meade Skelton, and trust me, that's saying alot.

Now go get your fuckin shinebox.

Jimmy Wrote:
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> A great operation! How many underage drinkers
> were saved from DUI? Let's continue this public
> safety program with renewed vigor. A lot of
> arrests at 7-Elevens--don't these folks
> understand? Maybe not, if they speak Urdu.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Jimmy ()
Date: November 08, 2007 04:48PM

"flamed and dismissed" Wow, TheMeeper is really astute. The penultimate programmer. See you on the Metro or McLean Safeway. BTW, it's a lot (vice: alot).

And what fine language "Now go get your f*ckin shinebox."

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: November 08, 2007 05:00PM

The penultimate programmer.

I am not a programmer/IT guy.

What the heck makes people think this? I've been called that before in here and can never figure out why?

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: November 08, 2007 08:31PM

confusing you with Gravis.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: priapus ()
Date: November 09, 2007 08:28AM

I say let the kids drink and drive.Its Nature's way of weeding out the herd.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: stinkypoon ()
Date: November 09, 2007 12:42PM

Jimmy Wrote:
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> A great operation! How many underage drinkers
> were saved from DUI? Let's continue this public
> safety program with renewed vigor. A lot of
> arrests at 7-Elevens--don't these folks
> understand? Maybe not, if they speak Urdu.

How does this stop underage drinking? You're confusing this with stings on stores that don't card. Read the thread and links before giving your stupid opinion.

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Take a Stand ()
Date: November 09, 2007 05:43PM

What I dont get about this kind of sting is, the cadet/police have to break the law first inorder for you to get busted.. hemm, chicken or the egg..

If we still have citizen arrest powers in FFxCo, then the shoulder tapping sting could have a very different and entertaining outcome.

If I had a hunch that this was a sting, I wonder what would happen if I decided to pull a citizens arrest on the cadet/kid for shoulder tapping. and then when the cops show up (..with guns drawn and shoot you, IHOP style..) , tell them you would like to have that person arrested since you were a witness to the crime.

That would blow there fragile little minds..!

Im kinda joking about this, but I bet it would be the last shoulder tapping sting in FFxCo..lol

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Re: another entrapment operation
Posted by: Take a Stand ()
Date: November 09, 2007 06:05PM

stinkypoon Wrote:
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> Jimmy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A great operation! How many underage drinkers
> > were saved from DUI? Let's continue this
> public
> > safety program with renewed vigor. A lot of
> > arrests at 7-Elevens--don't these folks
> > understand? Maybe not, if they speak Urdu.
>
> How does this stop underage drinking? You're
> confusing this with stings on stores that don't
> card. Read the thread and links before giving
> your stupid opinion.

I think jimmy has a point, even if stinkypoon almost squashed it.
What the hell is this doing to prevent anything other that the off chance that some unlucky guy is getting tapped to get beer for some kid. Its like there is a rash of 30 yr olds standing around just waiting for kids to ask for beer.. its fucking rediculous if not illegal.

Does it reduce underage drinking..NO
Does it somehow reduce underage alcohol related deaths..NO, but even if it did, I dont think anyone could produce stats to the contrary.
Does it give the police something to do with the cadets and take up free time..YES

I sure someone will argue that if one litte suzzy or bobbie is saved from their own stupidity than it is worth arresting 100 people on trumpted up charges.

Control your own kids damn it!!.. Stop forcing the goverment do it for you!!!!



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/09/2007 06:43PM by Take a Stand.

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