Hi.

I'm curious to see what people on here may know about the Fairfax County Auxiliary Police Program (other than what is already published on their website). Anyone a volunteer here? How does the training go? Any details?

I'm not having much luck digging up detailed information.

Thanks!

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/jobs/auxiliarypoliceofficer.htm

I have a neighbor who is/was one - much of the training of a regular officer, vetting as with a regular officer. No weapon carrying on the job.

For those with literally lots of free time to volunteer (much like any other volunteer "job").

Thanks for the link, but I was looking for details other than what they publish on the website.

The volunteering is minimal, 24hrs/month. I think it's a good option for those interested to be involved in Law Enforcement but are not willing to give up a lucrative career and completely change their lifestyle.

However, I really do not agree with the fact APO's can not carry a handgun (even though they are trained with it). A typical citizen can open-carry and with a permit, conceal if they so choose - where as an officer, you can not? Seems very strange. Once an individual puts on that uniform, they become a target. Seems strange. I would think there is some possibility to seek a waiver for this if you prove you have proper training and a military background.

Are Fairfax APO's licensed by DCJS? Are you a fully-certified officer with the necessary training to possibly transfer and apply to another agency without additional academy time needed?

Is there any pay for this, or is it strictly volunteer?

aux question Wrote:
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> Is there any pay for this, or is it strictly
> volunteer?

100% Volunteer. They provide uniforms, training, ballistic vests, radio, insurance, uniform cleaning, etc.

I believe my neighbor applied, after already being an APO, to be a regular officer and was turned down - either age or something else I was not privy to.

His "24 hours/month" can take place any time day or not though I imagine FCPD attempts in some manner to work around whatever existing schedule he already has. I have, though, seen him leave in uniform quite late at night. Can't easily do that if you're not a free bird already.

I'm so gonna do this

They deliver the donuts to police at the roadblocks.

WantToKnow Wrote:
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> However, I really do not agree with the fact APO's
> can not carry a handgun (even though they are
> trained with it). A typical citizen can
> open-carry and with a permit, conceal if they so
> choose - where as an officer, you can not? Seems
> very strange. Once an individual puts on that
> uniform, they become a target. Seems strange. I
> would think there is some possibility to seek a
> waiver for this if you prove you have proper
> training and a military background.

My guess is that not having a gun is due to liability on the PD dept. It's one thing for a cop to shoot someone, but when a police aux - who's not trained and maintaned to the same level as fcpo shoots someone, justifyiably or not, the lawsuit against the county is going to be huge. As long as you're operating under their umbrella - even in a volunteer capacity - they are liable for your actions.

I think I heard that the Aux. Police Officers do get to at least carry shotguns in their vehicles for when shit hits the fan. Anyone know if that's true? But I agree, they should be able to carry handguns.

cville2 Wrote:
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> I think I heard that the Aux. Police Officers do
> get to at least carry shotguns in their vehicles
> for when shit hits the fan. Anyone know if that's
> true? But I agree, they should be able to carry
> handguns.

Yes, that's a fact. They have the same weapons training as F/T officers. They drive the same patrol cars, execute in the same capacity, and have the same arrest powers. The ONLY difference is that they are volunteering 24hrs of their time per month and they are not full-time.

Donut Catcher Wrote:
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> WantToKnow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > However, I really do not agree with the fact
> APO's
> > can not carry a handgun (even though they are
> > trained with it). A typical citizen can
> > open-carry and with a permit, conceal if they
> so
> > choose - where as an officer, you can not?
> Seems
> > very strange. Once an individual puts on that
> > uniform, they become a target. Seems strange.
> I
> > would think there is some possibility to seek a
> > waiver for this if you prove you have proper
> > training and a military background.
>
> My guess is that not having a gun is due to
> liability on the PD dept. It's one thing for a
> cop to shoot someone, but when a police aux -
> who's not trained and maintaned to the same level
> as fcpo shoots someone, justifyiably or not, the
> lawsuit against the county is going to be huge.
> As long as you're operating under their umbrella -
> even in a volunteer capacity - they are liable for
> your actions.

See, that's my confusion. They ARE trained at the same level. They are certified officers. So, what difference does it make? So, rather than take the usual risk of lawsuit, it's easier to send them out unarmed in harms way and take the risk of an Aux PO getting killed instead? Doesn't make sense.

Other departments with Aux units allow it - just not Fairfax...

A Phil Hendrie bit come to life!

They can be identified by their yellow arm bands and pith helmets.

Auxiliary officers don't have anywhere near the training of a real police officer.

They can't take any enforcement action unless they are accompanied by a real police officer.

Whatever someone's neighbor told them about being an auxiliary officer is being disingenuous at best.

Nope Wrote:
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> Whatever someone's neighbor told them about being
> an auxiliary officer is being disingenuous at
> best.

Read my original reply - I stand by everything in it.

Nope Wrote:
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> Auxiliary officers don't have anywhere near the
> training of a real police officer.
>
> They can't take any enforcement action unless they
> are accompanied by a real police officer.
>
> Whatever someone's neighbor told them about being
> an auxiliary officer is being disingenuous at
> best.

Psst.. reading comprehension isn't your strongest skill set. You may want to review those "facts".

As already stated:
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/jobs/auxiliarypoliceofficer.htm

FFX Auxiliary Police Officers are volunteers that wish to service the community. They complete an intensive training program for police policy, firearms and patrol vehicle education. It's not an easy process to complete! Graduates are dedicated to the mission. They do not carry a side arm. They do carry pepper spray and are licensed for 'shotgun' use as, needed. Auxiliary Officers are scheduled to assist full time Police officer's on duty or for station detail.

FFX Auxiliary Police are an asset to the community. Their services are often used for Holiday and needed, off-hour policing. Make no mistake, Aux. Police are the real-deal and they'll likely be questioning motorists at any sobriety check point.

Check out the previous posts and decide if you could make such, a huge commitment of your personal time...

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/jobs/auxiliarypoliceofficer.htm

Larry has stated it correctly. Those are the facts, Marine. Love it (or go home to Momma). Our Commandant has spoken on these issues.

Auxillary police are a joke. They setup cones and direct traffic, nothing more. Their training is bullshit and a waste of time if you ask me. Just think, you can be a glorified rent-a-cop who is hated by the regular officers because you are seen as a "wanna be" who is giving free time that prevents real police from being hired.

You "hobbyists" will never be natural po-lice. Just remember that. Do everyone a favor and go work at a soup kitchen or suck some cock for free. That would be nice.

Will bust a cap in your butt.

The Auxiliary Police is a sister organization to CERT. You can contact Jean who is the manager of Citizens Corp to see how you can get involved.

WantToKnow Wrote:
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> Hi.
>
> I'm curious to see what people on here may know
> about the Fairfax County Auxiliary Police Program
> (other than what is already published on their
> website). Anyone a volunteer here? How does the
> training go? Any details?
>
> I'm not having much luck digging up detailed
> information.
>
> Thanks!


Those guys direct traffic a big churches on sundays and they do the mcgruff safe house program in the suburbs. One of those dudes came and checked my house and family to make sure we werent kid touchers so my wife could put the mcgruff sign in the window. They do bullS. jobs that real cops dont want to do like the funeral persession traffic control.

You show no repsect.

Posted by: El-Bisi ()
Date: March 27, 2011 08:44AM

"Those guys direct traffic a big churches on sundays and they do the mcgruff safe house program in the suburbs. One of those dudes came and checked my house and family to make sure we werent kid touchers so my wife could put the mcgruff sign in the window. They do bullS. jobs that real cops dont want to do like the funeral persession traffic control."


wow......................what a shithead o_0

For once I agree with Gordon.

I got another problem here. I gotta send somebody from Sully district to Miramar. I gotta do something here, I still can't believe it. I gotta give you your dream shot! I'm gonna send you AND YOUR APO up against the best. You two characters, are going to Top Gun. For five weeks, you'll be pulling speeders against the best doughnut eating pigs in the world. You were number two, Cougar was number one. Cougar lost it-turned in his radar gun. You guys are number one.

Don't SCREW THIS Up!

You made me laugh out loud, jRoc. Thanks!

roger that!... I crack up myself every time I read it too!

hater Wrote:
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> Auxillary police are a joke. They setup cones and
> direct traffic, nothing more. Their training is
> bullshit and a waste of time if you ask me. Just
> think, you can be a glorified rent-a-cop who is
> hated by the regular officers because you are seen
> as a "wanna be" who is giving free time that
> prevents real police from being hired.
>
> You "hobbyists" will never be natural po-lice.
> Just remember that. Do everyone a favor and go
> work at a soup kitchen or suck some cock for free.
> That would be nice.

You're actually very wrong - it really depends on which level of involvement an APO chooses to be involved. If you chose to research public information, you would know this. :)

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Auxiliary officers assigned to Level III may perform the following additional duties:

1. Support patrol (foot, bike and motorized) operations and patrol activities as directed by appropriate authority.
2. Assist in traffic direction and/or crowd control at the following locations:

a. accident scenes;
b. school crossings;
c. special school activities;
d. special events;
e. other locations/functions as directed by competent authority.

3. Fulfill guard responsibilities in hospitals where persons under lawful detention are receiving treatment.
4. Conduct witness and information surveys in support of employed police officers.
5. Provide physical plant security for police property and police structures.
6. Secure crime scenes.
7. Assist in crime prevention activities and crime analysis tasks.

APOs assigned to LOA and Level II, at the discretion of the Operations Support Bureau Commander, may be called into service in a limited Level III capacity with the Police Department when:

1. It is deemed necessary, or
2. There is an emergency, civil unrest, or disaster, or
3. There are insufficient numbers of police officers to preserve the peace, safety, and good of the community.

Level III APO's, who have received the additional training and have been granted the authority to function as Level IV Auxiliary Officers, are eligible to handle the following:

1. 10-99 motor vehicle crashes
2. Destruction of property (report only)
3. Police service complaints
4. Larceny (report only)
5. Traffic control
6. Disabled vehicles
7. Abandoned vehicles
8. Traffic hazards
9. Parking complaints
10. Lost/found property cases
11. Vehicle tampering (report only)
12. Stolen vehicle (report only)
13. Radar surveys

Level IV APOs may self dispatch, or be dispatched as back-up units to the following events:

1. All cases listed in Section G
2. All motor vehicle crashes
3. Civil cases
4. Soliciting complaint cases
5. Juvenile runaways and missing juvenile reports, consistent with General Order 602.2, Arrest and Detention of Juveniles, Section IX.9.D.2.

Level IV APOs may self dispatch as back-up to the following events when two employed officers have been dispatched and one has arrived on the scene:

1. Loitering
2. Destruction of property in progress
3. Alarms
4. Animal cases
5. Assaults
6. Bomb threats
7. Burglary in progress
8. Domestic disturbance and domestic violence
9. Explosive devices
10. Drownings
11. Drunk in public
12. DWI
13. Larceny in progress

Yeah but... ah nevermind. No one's listening anyway. right?

Really though. Does this program still exist to bring on more APOs?

There volunteers dont carry guns,can not arrest. Its something to do. It could be a fun thing if you like training in police work. They can be deputized in a emergency by the Chief of Police or Sheriff of course anyone can be. I dont think thats ever happened. They save the county money and perform lots of mundane duties and get to ride around and see whats happening.

Just think you become and APO and then you can get out of mommy's basement and put your Police/Fire scanner in the closet.

Fuck the Police...all Police....even Aux Police

Have you tried the CERT Program? They're always looking for people.

Does the APO program have a secret, 007 level that would give someone a license to kill? Or do you have to be a full-on police officer for that?

POW! CERT saves LIFES! No KIDDING! VAROOOM! REAL stuff! Enter building, leave with VICTIM...maybe more THAN ONE VICTIMS! AAAKAGARBA! Easy joins, realistical TRAINING for FREE!

XXXX Wrote:
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> Just think you become and APO and then you can get
> out of mommy's basement and put your Police/Fire
> scanner in the closet.


No thanks I have my eye on the Virginia Defense Force. I want action and lots of it.

Whitney Wrote:
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> XXXX Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Just think you become and APO and then you can
> get
> > out of mommy's basement and put your
> Police/Fire
> > scanner in the closet.
>
>
> No thanks I have my eye on the Virginia Defense
> Force. I want action and lots of it.

Oh shit the VDF is coming! VDF is really the VaPF (Virginia Armory Parking Force). Them dudes can seriously guide some buses every time the VaARNG get deployed. Great guys though...29 Lets Go!

3/116 INF 29ID / IBCT Wrote:
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> Oh shit the VDF is coming! VDF is really the VaPF
> (Virginia Armory Parking Force). Them dudes can
> seriously guide some buses every time the VaARNG
> get deployed. Great guys though...29 Lets Go!

You do not see the big picture. When trouble is expected you keep your best troops in reserve, that would be the VDF. When the enemy thinks they have you beat in comes the A team to kick some commie ass.

So many people so willing to show off their intelligence here =).
Full officers have to do some crap work as well as what some people here seem to dub "real" work. Does that mean shooting people and finding dead bodies all the time because all the officers I work with certainly do that and high speed chases and big drug busts ALL THE TIME (do I need to say that is sarcasm?). The officers who make fun of the APOs may not be the brightest as they are getting a helping hand in many an area they personally may not want to focus on. Crap hours as far as a volunteer goes, have to deal with idiot civilians just like the full officers but they don't receive respect from even the average poster here. Would be much easier to volunteer in more "fun" hands on, even more tactical ways but for some reason the APOs decided to serve in what way felt drawn to and answer the call when it comes in for some no. You don't want to get out of bed and do.
Come on guys, can we try to one team one fight this or do we need to roll crap downhill to feel like real men/women? Should we also start debating which service of the military sucks and then debate if that service should exist or if everyone who joined abc armed forces is an Ass?
Come on children. Smile and hold hands and try to make life easier for those around you and maybe they'll do the same for you.

Most auxiliary pricks are rejects from the Citizen's DWI patrol. They couldn't pass their fearless 350 lb leader's IQ test ( his name is Dave Shiffliver by the way) . When he says suck my left testical he means his left. They fuck it up everytime and go for the wrong one.What dumb fuck wants to spend their time doing this play prick/cop shit. Pretty facing pathetic and scary to think we have such wackadoos in this county. It would be hilarious to see one of these wantabe pricks show up with their pepper spray to find a suspect with a .45 waiting to kill them.

My German Shepherd hates violent blacks and wants to reduce crime. Do they allow dogs to join? He'd like to get a bite now and then of some dirty black ass.

I use to be in the VDF it sucks dont join. Second WTF are all these haters on this forum? This is supose to be about information not about hating. Please for the love of god don't say shit if you dont know anything about it. I am considering joining the APO program. I would like some facts from people who are in the FairFax County Auxiliary Police.

1. Do we carry guns? (I assume no)
2. Can we arrest without a officer present.
3. Is it a good old buddy system? (I am tired of ass holes treating people like shit like in the VDF)

Anonamous

I use to be in the VDF it sucks dont join. Second WTF are all these haters on this forum? This is supose to be about information not about hating. Please for the love of god don't say shit if you dont know anything about it. I am considering joining the APO program. I would like some facts from people who are in the FairFax County Auxiliary Police.

1. Do we carry guns? (I assume no)
2. Can we arrest without a officer present.
3. Is it a good old buddy system? (I am tired of ass holes treating people like shit like in the VDF


Some basics:

Currently the APO program is down to about 85 members, well below authorized strength. No auxiliaries carry firearms, but may carry a TASER after authorized training. If selected, you will go through an APO academy, and at conclusion you will be sworn in as a law enforcement officer (I believe the next academy is in March).

Assuming you graduate, your permanent assignment will be the Traffic Division, under general supervision from the Auxiliary Supervisor, a paid Second Lieutenant who oversees both the APO program and the VIPs program. You will likely be farmed to a district station and assigned a Field Training Officer (a paid officer). You must complete field training within a prescribed time.

APOs have powers of arrest, but generally, that duty is left to the paid personnel. APOs can write tickets if they are accompanied by a paid officer. The greatest chance of getting a ticket from an APO would be during their field training.

Just like any job, you get what you put in. If no one ever sees you and you make no effort to assist, the likelihood of gaining respect among your peers (paid and volunteers) will be minimal. Work hard, and paid officers will be begging you to be on their squad.

Perhaps there is a buddy system but for the most part, APOs have another paying job, many of which pay much more than the officers.

Their are not too many perks other than if you are a County resident, one of your personal vehicles is not subject to the personal property tax.

the source Wrote:
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> Anonamous
>
> I use to be in the VDF it sucks dont join. Second
> WTF are all these haters on this forum? This is
> supose to be about information not about hating.
> Please for the love of god don't say shit if you
> dont know anything about it. I am considering
> joining the APO program. I would like some facts
> from people who are in the FairFax County
> Auxiliary Police.
>
> 1. Do we carry guns? (I assume no)
> 2. Can we arrest without a officer present.
> 3. Is it a good old buddy system? (I am tired of
> ass holes treating people like shit like in the
> VDF
>
>
> Some basics:
>
> Currently the APO program is down to about 85
> members, well below authorized strength. No
> auxiliaries carry firearms, but may carry a TASER
> after authorized training. If selected, you will
> go through an APO academy, and at conclusion you
> will be sworn in as a law enforcement officer (I
> believe the next academy is in March).
>
> Assuming you graduate, your permanent assignment
> will be the Traffic Division, under general
> supervision from the Auxiliary Supervisor, a paid
> Second Lieutenant who oversees both the APO
> program and the VIPs program. You will likely be
> farmed to a district station and assigned a Field
> Training Officer (a paid officer). You must
> complete field training within a prescribed time.
>
> APOs have powers of arrest, but generally, that
> duty is left to the paid personnel. APOs can write
> tickets if they are accompanied by a paid officer.
> The greatest chance of getting a ticket from an
> APO would be during their field training.
>
> Just like any job, you get what you put in. If no
> one ever sees you and you make no effort to
> assist, the likelihood of gaining respect among
> your peers (paid and volunteers) will be minimal.
> Work hard, and paid officers will be begging you
> to be on their squad.
>
> Perhaps there is a buddy system but for the most
> part, APOs have another paying job, many of which
> pay much more than the officers.
>
> Their are not too many perks other than if you are
> a County resident, one of your personal vehicles
> is not subject to the personal property tax.


Source,
Thank you for taking the time to respond. I decided to join them and went to their overview. I filled out a background check forum after the over view and the officer there stated it would take a week to hear back from them.

I had attempted to send multiple emails but still not response. Currently it's been a week and 2 days, No response. Today I will be going to the police department and inquiring about my background check. When some one states something they should honor their word.

Dumb azz wannabe cops who can't pass the exam to enroll the police academy and then must try to squeeze in through the back door.

Does that answer your questions? Just saying.....

Luckily there is no grammar police or you would be in trouble Jess Sayin. If he graduates the APO academy, he is no a wannabe. If you break the law he can lock you up just like a paid officer.

Extremely disappointing process. As most candidate APOs have regular, professional jobs, this application process is very poorly run and highly disrespectful to those trying to volunteer their time. The initial stages of interview and polygraph are conducted by good intentioned, but not the most effective personnel with no more than high school degrees who don't administer the tests in a scientific or professional manner. Their notes are subsequently passed on in rough detail for others to review and misconstrue, adding inaccuracy to the process. Attempting to speak to an "adult" in the process with a big picture viewpoint is impossible.

After spending thousands of personal time dollars on this process over the past 4 months, I am aborting and will try to follow through with constructive fixes for the process through political colleagues who would like to see FCPD get this right instead of wasting taxpayer money.

This does not at all seem like something that someone with an advanced education or a highly professional occupation should do.

obviously fx co gov needs a new committee to get paid to discuss this new subjective arm of an agency

Polygraph...right up there with phrenology and handwriting analysis as far as accomplishing anything.

No thinks...

Aux. police meet up wed. Nite Kilroys

I, was among the select few who was amongst the many who were the FIRST ACADEMY CLASS. I would be happy to answer the pros/cons of the crap WE went through. Our academy class went MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY additional classes/qualifications.....and some of the citizen/officer quandaries about our effectiveness....MANY of us from differing fields....magistrate/former & current fed employment.....WE DID WHAT WE DID NOT FOR OUR PERSONAL GLORIFICATION, BUT...for giving BACK to the citizens of Fairfax County. I retired after 22 years....NO RETIREMENT. So, for those who want to doubt our sincerity....I will challenge you....and will show you the Letters of Appreciation from not our citizens of Fairfax County....but also from the President of the United States of America. On my headstone...I have already had them inscribe that I proudly served America in the Navy....but also...22 years as a SWORN...SWORN...AUXILIARY POLICE OFFICER for Fairfax County PD, VA. I served all of my years at the Reston Substation....both of them. And, I for anybody who wants to bring discredit to the FFX APOs....may they know...one of those I chose to ride with...at the Reston Station....your now...Chief of Police. We SERVED w/o compensation....because we believed. I have not regrets...none whatsoever. BTW....for those of us in the first APO class...NO VESTS....we bought our own. Second....Our uniforms....we paid for them....because administration kept changing their minds.

As a member of the first FFX APO class....we gave while others sat. Fact.
Melvin Beyer
FFX APO (RETIRED)...AND PROUD of it.

You can post your name now. But the reason the others did not get on is because they posted on Fairfax Underground.

Melvin Beyer Wrote:
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> I, was among the select few who was amongst the
> many who were the FIRST ACADEMY CLASS. I would be
> happy to answer the pros/cons of the crap WE went
> through. Our academy class went MANY, MANY, MANY,
> MANY additional classes/qualifications.....and
> some of the citizen/officer quandaries about our
> effectiveness....MANY of us from differing
> fields....magistrate/former & current fed
> employment.....WE DID WHAT WE DID NOT FOR OUR
> PERSONAL GLORIFICATION, BUT...for giving BACK to
> the citizens of Fairfax County. I retired after 22
> years....NO RETIREMENT. So, for those who want to
> doubt our sincerity....I will challenge you....and
> will show you the Letters of Appreciation from not
> our citizens of Fairfax County....but also from
> the President of the United States of America. On
> my headstone...I have already had them inscribe
> that I proudly served America in the Navy....but
> also...22 years as a SWORN...SWORN...AUXILIARY
> POLICE OFFICER for Fairfax County PD, VA. I
> served all of my years at the Reston
> Substation....both of them. And, I for anybody
> who wants to bring discredit to the FFX
> APOs....may they know...one of those I chose to
> ride with...at the Reston Station....your
> now...Chief of Police. We SERVED w/o
> compensation....because we believed. I have not
> regrets...none whatsoever. BTW....for those of us
> in the first APO class...NO VESTS....we bought our
> own. Second....Our uniforms....we paid for
> them....because administration kept changing their
> minds.
>
> As a member of the first FFX APO class....we gave
> while others sat. Fact.
> Melvin Beyer
> FFX APO (RETIRED)...AND PROUD of it.

Now that you are retired you can go to NOVA and take some English classes.