You are right. It was needless, especially since the 3 men who accosted Steven Smith and his two friends in the alley the night Steven says he was robbed are still ALIVE. Your little friend killed the wrong boy. I am sure Steven also told you what he and jimmy and the other boy were doing there at 1:30 am. If he didn't let me enlighten you. Since you know the smiths so well then you know david has been convicted of breaking into vehicles at the condo complex. Steven and his friends were breaking into vehicles that night and were caught. They were not robbed, rather the owners retrieved their items from them. Once again none of the 3 men who confronted them was Wyatt. Perhaps if steven and his cohorts had called the police about being robbed it would have been apparent that Wyatt wasn't there. Oh yes, that's right, it wasn't their items. I imagine it would be difficult to get the police to retrieve things that weren't yours to begin with.

page 5 - OH JOY!

@from Wyatt's family - A third witness's statement concerns the incident months before that allegedly precipitated the encounter between Campbell and the defendant's brother in the 7-Eleven parking lot. A friend of the defendant told police that he, the defendant, and another man were walking on Franconia Road between June 19, 2010 and July 4, 2010.

According to the witness's statement, Campbell appeared with two other white males. Campbell's companions pushed the defendant, the witness, and the other man into a fence, saying they were with the Fairfax County Police Department. Campbell and his companions then asked if the witness and his friends had marijuana, according to the witness's statement.

The witness said Campbell and his companions took iPods and cell phones from the defendant and his friend, but nothing from the witness.

http://rosehill.patch.com/articles/witness-statements-shed-new-light-on-rose-hill-teens-death

Dunno what yr talking about, but apparently, the stabbing stemmed from this particular robbery..................

to from Wyatt's family: Ok...you win. I'm done posting here. Ths Smiths are not good friends of mine. Neither Steven or David is a "little friend of mine". I don't speak to either one of them. Nowhere did I say that Wyatt deserved what happened to him.

Your family and friends have my sympathy for your loss. What happened was wrong. You're going to hear what you want to, though. I'm not going to go back and forth with you for another 5 pages or another 5 topics about this.

Hope your hatred doesn't eat you alive - believe me, it will if you let it.

In my opinion this website is extremely repulsive. So many people just talking trash about one another, having no remorse or proof of the allegations being made. This site is filled with people who have nothing better to do than hurt other from behind a computer screen. Why this should be a website about helping others and passing information around a community not a war zone where people put other people on trial and say horrible things about people. This is no better than cyber bullying except the anonymous names prevent you form having to reveal who they are. This is like a middle school where people do nothing but start rumors about others to hurt peoples feelings.

I hope that you read this message and think, about your future activity and really only present information that is factual and helpful to others in the northern Virginia area. Put yourself in the person your about to hurt before you post your message.

@angry person - then why are you here? Leave this place of evil, cleanse yrself of it's horror and terror LoLz

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @angry person - then why are you here? Leave this
> place of evil, cleanse yrself of it's horror and
> terror LoLz

I have a better idea. Why don't you leave? At the very least it would smell (a little) better without you.

he/she can smell the interweb, ppl.................my my, that's QUITE a talent you have LoLz.

Question! So why is it that Angry Person can talk trash like that, cyberbully others under and anonymous name, and it's ok in his/her head? It's like he/she is in "a middle school where people do nothing but start rumors about others to hurt peoples feelings. "

Angy person, I hope that you read this message and think, about your future activity and really only present information that is factual and helpful to others in the northern Virginia area. Put yourself in the person your about to hurt before you post your message.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> page 5 - OH JOY!
>
> @from Wyatt's family - A third witness's statement
> concerns the incident months before that allegedly
> precipitated the encounter between Campbell and
> the defendant's brother in the 7-Eleven parking
> lot. A friend of the defendant told police that
> he, the defendant, and another man were walking on
> Franconia Road between June 19, 2010 and July 4,
> 2010.
>
> According to the witness's statement, Campbell
> appeared with two other white males. Campbell's
> companions pushed the defendant, the witness, and
> the other man into a fence, saying they were with
> the Fairfax County Police Department. Campbell and
> his companions then asked if the witness and his
> friends had marijuana, according to the witness's
> statement.
>
> The witness said Campbell and his companions took
> iPods and cell phones from the defendant and his
> friend, but nothing from the witness.
>
> http://rosehill.patch.com/articles/witness-stateme
> nts-shed-new-light-on-rose-hill-teens-death
>
> Dunno what yr talking about, but apparently, the
> stabbing stemmed from this particular
> robbery..................


You have no idea what you are talking about. That is what is eating you alive that no one will tell you anything. why are you on this forum? You claim you did not know Wyatt or his family. You state you are a Smith. So why are you on here constantly slamming the people who stick up for Wyatt? Don't start with the BS of " I live in Rose Hill, I shop there etc" No one buys that story anymore. The things you write and post are to full of nasty and mean remarks and comments. Sounds to me like you need some Therapy.

Angry Person Wrote:
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> In my opinion this website is extremely repulsive.
> So many people just talking trash about one
> another, having no remorse or proof of the
> allegations being made. This site is filled with
> people who have nothing better to do than hurt
> other from behind a computer screen. Why this
> should be a website about helping others and
> passing information around a community not a war
> zone where people put other people on trial and
> say horrible things about people. This is no
> better than cyber bullying except the anonymous
> names prevent you form having to reveal who they
> are. This is like a middle school where people do
> nothing but start rumors about others to hurt
> peoples feelings.
>
> I hope that you read this message and think, about
> your future activity and really only present
> information that is factual and helpful to others
> in the northern Virginia area. Put yourself in the
> person your about to hurt before you post your
> message.

what are you the Underground Room Monitor

The witness you continue to quote is stevens best friend Jimmy. One of the boys who was breaking into the cars. We are not saying that they weren't confronted. We are saying that it wasn't Wyatt who confronted them. Pay attention troll

@For Gordon - what's nasty about that post. When did I claim I was a "Smith", and why is it hard to think I shop at Safeway or Rugged Wearhouse? Save the Silos LoLz

@to gordon - so you are telling me that these children are lying/mistaken about who confronted them/robbed them? I find that kinda hard to believe.

Man, Wyatt knew a lot of nasty namecalling ppl - makes it harder and harder to believe that he was such a "good kid and a wonderful young man" when I get reactions like that, just to let you know.

Congrats to Steven and Wyatt for going to page 5.

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W.W.S.D. what would Scooby Doo

Yayh!!!!! !111 Steven and Wyatt should do a chest bump.

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

Gordon Blvd you are a TROLL,
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll=Gordon_Blvd

TEN NOW TWENTY POUNDS OF SHIT IN A FIVE POUND BAG!
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Ha Ha Ha Ha. Gordon Blvd you even had new posters that were actually listenning to you, but you're so full of shit that you turnned them right off. LOL

By the way, that witness even under intense interagation could not state the Wyatt took anything from the 3 youths, and his identification of the three is questionable.. You are such a fool. You can't even comprehend the third hand article that you referenced.

This is just a forum but if you put family members through the same crap, then I feel for them also.
Latter.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06/10/2011 07:30PM by Bystander.

Do you have a source to back that up, or is this just more Bystander bullshit?

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It's backed up by the Commonwealth Attorney. And to Bystander --the plea is off. The defense never responded so the trial with the second degree charges will start July 5. I am only addressing this to you because you seem to be one of the only sane posters on here. Oh and we know who gordon blvd is.

Thanks





Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/10/2011 09:56PM by Bystander.

@bystander - dunno who the heck yr talking about - ain't nobody "listening" to anything, especially me LoLz

@ from wyatt's family - oh, I cant wait to find out who you think I am (or why you even care)

@Mr Mephisto - sounds like if what "from Wyatt's family" says is true, that the defense thinks going to trial is a better bet than accepting a Manslaughter plea - I wonder why that is?

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @bystander - dunno who the heck yr talking about -
> ain't nobody "listening" to anything, especially
> me LoLz
>
> @ from wyatt's family - oh, I cant wait to find
> out who you think I am (or why you even care)
>
> @Mr Mephisto - sounds like if what "from Wyatt's
> family" says is true, that the defense thinks
> going to trial is a better bet than accepting a
> Manslaughter plea - I wonder why that is?

Seriously you can't see why people want to know who you are. You are extremely rude, if some one does not agree with you and your fellow bully Mephisto you insult them. Worst of all you continue to blame the mUrder victim and not the murderer. When you are called on you feign surprise like "What did I do". Even after you caused so much bullshit with your postings acting like a crybaby when no one would answer your questions to the point the deceased young man's famIly posted a statement, you still refused to believe the truth. I feel sorry not for you even though I think you have serious mental issues when you continue to harass a person who is not here to even defend himself. I feel sorry for your kids, having you for a father. I hope your real name Is outed, as everyone has skeletons in their closets Gordo.

@gordon you are a joke - so let me follow you - Im extremely rude and insult ppl, yet they want to know who I am?
That makes about as much sense as a 3 dollar bill..........

Funny how many ppl on this thread focus more on me than the actual topic at hand - GET ON WITH YR LIVES, PPL!

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @gordon you are a joke - so let me follow you - Im
> extremely rude and insult ppl, yet they want to
> know who I am?
> That makes about as much sense as a 3 dollar
> bill..........
>
> Funny how many ppl on this thread focus more on me
> than the actual topic at hand - GET ON WITH YR
> LIVES, PPL!


Like I said everyone Has skeletons your so quick to point out what you think Wyatt's. Are. Your right the topic is suppose to be about Steven Smith killing Wyatt yet you and your boyfriends on here seem to keep blaming the victim u whine like a bitch because the answers you get are not what you care to believe. You have turned this thread into a three ring circus. Everytime someone posts something you do not agree with You chime in with How wrong they are and some snide remarks how about u get on with ur life

gordon you are a joke Wrote:
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> Seriously you can't see why people want to know
> who you are. You are extremely rude, if some one
> does not agree with you and your fellow bully
> Mephisto you insult them. Worst of all you
> continue to blame the mUrder victim and not the
> murderer. Blah blah blah.

We've said this a thousand times already; nobody is blaming Wyatt for his death. We are questioning the choices he made that led him to his death.

There's two sides to this whole discussion: what the media is reporting, and what his "friends and family" are saying.

According to the media, Wyatt made specifically bad choices that led to him being in the alley where he died. According to the "friends and family," the media has it all wrong, they know the real story, but they refuse to say what really happened.

I hate to break it to you all, but when the defense starts calling Wyatt's character into question, the prosecution won't be able to object on grounds that the defense didn't know Wyatt and they're totally being trolls by implying Wyatt was anything other than a saint.

I'm really sick of saying the same thing over and over again for people who simply refuse to let any sort of logic, reason, or discussion of facts enter the conversation. Until a reputable source is able to post a coherent, rational account of what actually happened, I'm going to believe what I'm hearing through the media.

Based on what I'm hearing through the media, Wyatt could have avoided getting stabbed in an alley at several points on the day in question but chose not to. Two kids got into a fight, both kids brought weapons to the fight, and now one's dead and the other is in jail. No safes, no deception, none of this "Randy was jealous of Wyatt bullshit." Just two kids doing stupid shit. The end.

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@Mr Mephisto - aw c'mon - you know the "Troll Defense" is a legally acceptable practice these days LoLz.

@gordon you are a joke - I didnt do a thing - yr putting waaaaaaaaay to much attention on me, my opinion.........and I have no idea on Earth why - but target away :)

and no, the "get on with yr life" was not supposed to be snide at all - means ignore me and continue on with yr life - plain and simple

Thanks Meph for getting back to your meds. Your last post shows a big improvement.

MrMephisto Wrote:
> ...According to the media, Wyatt made specifically
> bad choices that led to him being in the alley
> where he died. According to the "friends and
> family," the media has it all wrong, they know the
> real story, but they refuse to say what really
> happened....
>
Meph, Could you please show where you found a valid source of media that is discusing the choices Wyatt made? I don't think any of us have seen those articles yet. Even Gordon Blvd hasn't posted such a link. Most of the media sources seem to just report facts and since the trial isn't over yet...
Thanks


MrMephisto Wrote:
> ...I'm really sick of saying the same thing over and
> over again for people who simply refuse to let any
> sort of logic, reason, or discussion of facts
> enter the conversation. Until a reputable source
> is able to post a coherent, rational account of
> what actually happened, I'm going to believe what
> I'm hearing through the media...
>

Yes, and Bystander will keep pointing out that TROLL until it is stopped.

So once again you start up again with it is all Wyatt's fault he was murdered!! You keep saying no one has answered your questions! Yet they have,
your just pissed because their not the answers you want to hear. I mean damn it is so hard to believe that Wyatt was not the "gangsta hood" you have all made him out to be? I am sorry to bust your bubble but he was a good kid I should say young man. He did not rob Steven Smith , the witness who said it was Wyatt was Smith's best friend Jimmy. Duh of course they did a reason to defend What he did, so of course it is " he robbed"!! The thing is even had he done that hell of a big difference in that and murdering somebody! As far as Randy couldn't tell ya why he is a repeated liar. Makes you wonder! As far as the golf club according to his testimony in the Dec 2, 2010 Age hearing he stated under oath that he never saw Wyatt with it. According to the other witness statements from that night they said that they heard noises but did not actually see anything. As far as picture that ran in The Patch, that was not given to the by Wyatt's family they somehow got it off a private memorial on private property. So I am sure once again yoU will find something to bitch about but the bottom line is this. Kids will be kids at that age fights happen it doesn't give anyone the right to MURDER someone. That boy to have stabbed him so brutally 12 - 13 times had issues already that I am sure stemmed from the home considering the father has a history of domestic abuse. Let us not forget he was already on probation for other charges one of which was "assault with a deadly" weapon so tends to make you wonder also why he was out so late at 15 on a school night not just the night he murdered Wyatt, but also the "alleged" night at 1:30am!! That he was robbed of a ipod and cell phone. But no one seems to question that. We Wyatt's friends and his family are not the ones with issues we know what happened a senseless act of murder to a boy who didn't deserve it.

wow..............in the first sentence he writes in his last post, Mr Mephisto says is "nobody is blaming Wyatt for his death" yet you can still see it as him stating "it is all Wyatt's fault he was murdered" - how is that?

I mean, it was in like the first sentence and everything o_0



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/12/2011 01:11PM by Gordon Blvd.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> wow..............in the first sentence he writes
> in his last post, Mr Mephisto says is "nobody is
> blaming Wyatt for his death" yet you can still see
> it as him stating "it is all Wyatt's fault he was
> murdered" - how is that?
>
> I mean, it was in like the first sentence and
> everything o_0


Once again you feel the need to put your ass into a post that was not even directed at you! So what if that was the first thing he said, keep reading or do only see what you what too? Damn the way u 2 keep are so protective over each other one might think you 2 are a couple! Let me guess. U 2 are at the gay pride festival this weekend!

Wyatt's friends and family are more than free to QUIT READING THESE FUCKING THREADS. God knows they aren't providing any useful information, and if they quit coming here to bitch about the "trolls," dimes to fucking doughnuts these threads would die out.

But no, you dumb fuckers keep coming back—showing the same terminal lack of intellect that got Wyatt killed.

@Ut - My co-workers and I have goten TONS of useful "information" out of this thread............not necessarily about the trial, however LoLz

@for the troll - awwwww, are you homophobic as well? A better point is what makes you think you know my gender?
p.s. you really need to learn what a PUBLIC FORUM is all about - if you dont want the PUBLIC to answer, figure out how to PRIVATE MESSAGE (hint: PM) someone. Hope that helps ;)

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I know what a public forum is, but I also know if it is not directed at me I am not going to butt in. Nice to know that a bunch of grown ups think it is so funny. That someone was murdered and that a person such as yourself enjoys treating his family and friends like shit and intagInIzes them by your b****** comments. BTW- love the pic of your family!!! Is the fat one you or your wife?? ...

For Mephisto Wrote:
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> You keep saying no one has answered your questions! Yet they have...

No, they have not.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/501091/574852.html#msg-574852

1. Why did Randy set Wyatt up?
2. Why did Randy stage an elaborate set-up to get the Smith kid to kill Wyatt, then testify at the Smith kid's murder trial against him?
3. Why didn't they just wait and jump him when he was alone and there wouldn't be witnesses?

The answers I got to those questions were:

1. = Randy, KC & Tone set Wyatt up to take the safe.

Nobody's been able to explain the significance of this safe, why they needed to kill Wyatt to get it, what was in the safe, and where the safe was at (because it apparently wasn't at Wyatt's house).

2. = The Smiths were already looking for Wyatt.

Doesn't answer my question.

3. = Opportunity.

Doesn't make any sense, especially when you take into account all the witnesses and evidence.

So no, the very simple questions I'm asking have not been answered.

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Gee, that's easy. I can answers those for you.
But I asked you a question about your previous post:

MrMephisto Wrote:
> ...According to the media, Wyatt made specifically
> bad choices that led to him being in the alley
> where he died. According to the "friends and
> family," the media has it all wrong, they know the
> real story, but they refuse to say what really
> happened....
>

I'm simply asking for a link to the media that states that Wyatt made bad choices...
As soon as you give the source (link) I'll take care of your questions. Wickedly split.
Latter



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/13/2011 09:20PM by Bystander.

@Bystander - here's a link that shows Wyatt made bad choices

http://www.fairfax.daily-monitor.com/police-apprehend-rose-hill-murder-suspect/1672/

@Mr Mephisto - somehow, I dont think Bystander is going to get it. But question for you, sir - how would a "bystander" have the answers you are even seeking, eh? Just something to ponder. p.s. I wouldnt hold yr breath for those "answers" LoLz.

@ troll - who said this was funny? Yr the only one bringing up humour. Dont see how you can see this as funny at all. And yes, you did butt into comments not directed at you. So just grow up, settle down and learn that in a public forum, that is going to happen. (Hint:P. M.)

Bystander Wrote:
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> Gee, that's easy. I can answers those for you.
> But I asked you a question about your previous
> post:
>
> MrMephisto Wrote:
> > ...According to the media, Wyatt made
> specifically
> > bad choices that led to him being in the alley
> > where he died. According to the "friends and
> > family," the media has it all wrong, they know
> the
> > real story, but they refuse to say what really
> > happened....
> >
>
> I'm simply asking for a link to the media that
> states that Wyatt mad bad choices...
> As soon as you give the source (link) I'll take
> care of your questions. Wickedly split.
> Latter


Isn't amazing how they answer right away if it something they do not agree with. But you them a question like that they take forever! Talk about hypocrites

by holding the parents accountable you are taking some of the accountability away from the the actual criminal, the murderer, bad behavior and all of that reflects the parents but when you are talking about murder that is entirely different. the kid obviously knew what he was doing was wrong so he either figured he would get away with it or didnt care. the crime is murder and the person who committed it should be the one punished for it. not some spiderweb of blame that we always see where a 6th grade bully, incompetent parent or something like that always comes up to be the reason for the murderers actions.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @Bystander - here's a link that shows Wyatt made
> bad choices...
>
(Hint:P. M.)
And here is a copy of that article:
"Police Apprehend Rose Hill Murder Suspect
Police arrested a 15-year-old boy from the Rose Hill area of Alexandria and charged him with second degree murder on Tuesday, October 26. The suspect is accused of killing Wyatt Campbell, 18 of Rose Hill Drive, Alexandria on Thursday, October 14. The juvenile turned himself into police around 10:30 a.m. in Fairfax.
UPDATE: Victim Identified

The suspicious death is now being classified as an apparent homicide. The victim has been identified as Wyatt Campbell, 18, of 6119 Rose Hill Drive in Alexandria.

Suspicious Death in Rose Hill area

Franconia Police District – Police are investigating a suspicious death that occurred around 11 p.m. Thursday, October 14. An 18-year-old man sought medical treatment at the Inova Springfield Healthplex around 10:30 p.m. and died shortly after 11 p.m. The victim had apparently been involved in an altercation earlier in the evening that resulted in bodily trauma.
Detectives are currently investigating and attempting to determine the nature of the relationship between the victim and suspect(s). An autopsy will be conducted to determine the cause and manner of the victim’s death."
Short URL: http://www.fairfax.daily-monitor.com/?p=1672

Well Gordon Blvd, the question that was being asked was directed to MrMeph and MrMeph is the only one that can answer where he read valid media:
MrMephisto Wrote:
> ...According to the media, Wyatt made specifically
> bad choices that led to him being in the alley
> where he died. According to the "friends and
> family," the media has it all wrong, they know the
> real story, but they refuse to say what really
> happened....
>

The link that you posted has absolutly nothing to do with the question that is being asked of Mr.Meph.
Thank you for your atempt. As you are aware, I'll be sure to repost the question when ever he is back.

Bystander Wrote:
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> blah blah blah
> The link that you posted has absolutly nothing to
> do with the question that is being asked of
> Mr.Meph.

More willful ignorance. The links we're talking about have been posted multiple times, but it's convenient you don't remember them.

Here's a refresher:

"They say Campbell shattered a man's back car window that night before he was stabbed."

Source: http://www.tbd.com/articles/2010/10/wyatt-campbell-teen-fatally-stabbed-in-franconia-22105.html

"In Taylor's testimony, the two groups then agreed to meet behind the store, because Taylor was on probation and hoped to avoid a public fight. After going to Campbell's grandmother's house to drop off some marijuana, according to Taylor's testimony, he returned with Campbell to the alley behind the store, where the defendant and his older brother fought with Campbell and Taylor.

The second witness's statement concern this alley fight. The witness was walking his dog near the alley behind the 7-Eleven around 10:30 p.m. He said he saw five or six kids moving quickly around the alley. "He thought he heard wheels like a skaeteboard, heard a car alarm go off and also heard them cursing at one another," the report reads.

Source: http://kingstowne.patch.com/articles/witness-statements-shed-new-light-on-rose-hill-teens-death

"Much still isn't clear about Campbell's death. Meegan talked about a robbery, although it wasn't clear which side of the purported robbery Campbell was on. Campbell himself had been robbed two weeks before, according to Meegan."

Source: http://kingstowne.patch.com/articles/wyatt-campbells-friends-and-family-remember-murdered-rose-hill-teen

"Randy Taylor is a liar, they all conspired to kill him to get at his safe, wait it was two safes, there may or may not have been some money in it, Wyatt was being stalked, and Randy was jealous of Wyatt because of the one or two safes filled with Schrodinger's money. It's none of your business anyway."

Source: Friends and family on Fairfax Underground

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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>
> More willful ignorance. The links we're talking about have been posted multiple times, but it's convenient you don't remember them.
>
> Here's a refresher:
>
> "They say Campbell shattered a man's back car window that night before he was stabbed."
>
> Source: http://www.tbd.com/articles/2010/10/wyatt-campbell-teen-fatally-stabbed-in-franconia-22105.html
>
> "In Taylor's testimony, the two groups then agreed to meet behind the store, because Taylor was on probation and hoped to avoid a public fight. After
> going to Campbell's grandmother's house to drop off some marijuana, according to Taylor's testimony, he returned with Campbell to the alley
> behind the store, where the defendant and his older brother fought with Campbell and Taylor.
>
> The second witness's statement concern this alley fight. The witness was walking his dog near the alley behind the 7-Eleven around 10:30 p.m. He
> said he saw five or six kids moving quickly around the alley. "He thought he heard wheels like a skaeteboard, heard a car alarm go off and also
> heard them cursing at one another," the report reads.
>
> Source: http://kingstowne.patch.com/articles/witness-state ments-shed-new-light-on-rose-hill-teens-death
>
> "Much still isn't clear about Campbell's death. Meegan talked about a robbery, although it wasn't clear which side of the purported robbery Campbell
> was on. Campbell himself had been robbed two weeks before, according to Meegan."
>
> Source: http://kingstowne.patch.com/articles/wyatt-campbells-friends-and-family-remember-murdered-rose-hill-teen
>
> "Randy Taylor is a liar, they all conspired to kill him to get at his safe, wait it was two safes, there may or may not have been some money
> in it, Wyatt was being stalked, and Randy was jealous of Wyatt because of the one or two safes filled with Schrodinger's money. It's none of your
> business anyway."
>
> Source: Friends and family on Fairfax Underground
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Here we go again. Meph, as I have posted already: I just need the link to the media that you referenced that states that "Wyatt made specifically bad choices that led to him being in the alley where he died."
As you are aware, non of the links even mention "CHOICES."


MrMephisto Wrote:
> ...According to the media, Wyatt made specifically
> bad choices that led to him being in the alley
> where he died. According to the "friends and
> family," the media has it all wrong, they know the
> real story, but they refuse to say what really
> happened....
>

Please post the link to the correct media. If in the event that the media doesn't exist and your statement was just a mistake, please let me know.

Bystander Wrote:
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> Please post the link to the correct media. If in
> the event that the media doesn't exist and your
> statement was just a mistake, please let me know.

http://kingstowne.patch.com/articles/witness-statements-shed-new-light-on-rose-hill-teens-death

"Randolph Taylor, a witness for the prosecution and a friend of Campbell's, presented the prosecution's storyline at a juvenile court hearing in December. Taylor said he had gone to the 7-Eleven with Campbell, when they encountered the defendant's older brother, who Taylor said punched Campbell."

Specifically bad choice #1: Not calling the police after being assaulted in front of 7-11.

"In Taylor's testimony, the two groups then agreed to meet behind the store, because Taylor was on probation and hoped to avoid a public fight..."

Specifically bad choice #2: Agreeing to meet behind the store for a fight.

"After going to Campbell's grandmother's house to drop off some marijuana..."

Specifically bad choice #3: Not staying at the grandmother's house.

"... he returned with Campbell to the alley behind the store, where the defendant and his older brother fought with Campbell and Taylor."

Specifically bad choice #4: Returning to the scene to fight the Smiths.

"BUT MRMEPHISTO, RANDY IS A LIAR. RANDY CALLED HIM FROM THE ALLEY FOR HELP SO THEY COULD KILL HIM FOR THE SAFE."

OK, then. Specifically bad choice #5: Going to the alley to "help his friend" instead of calling the police.

I've used big, bold letters and I typed this really slow. If in the event that you are still an idiot that cannot read and comprehend what has been written, please let me know and I'll re-post this in big green or big red letters.

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So, Mr.Meph what you posted earlier was just bull shit lies that others have been pointing you out for.
For what ever reason, you seem hell bent to slander a youth that was murdered and can't defend himself on a public forum.
Since you are alive and can defend yourself, I'll just have to make it a point to make sure others on FU understand where you are coming from, for now on...



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Bystander Wrote:
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> So, Mr.Meph what you posted earlier was just bull
> shit lies that others have been pointing you out
> for.
> For what ever reason, you seem hell bent to
> slander a youth that was murdered and can't defend
> himself on a public forum.
> Since you alive and can defend yourself, I'll just
> have to make it a point to make sure others on FU
> understand where you are coming from, for now
> on...

#1 You cannot slander someone on the Internet. You can libel someone. Need to get your terminology straight - less you continue to sound like a dumbass.

#2 You cannot =libel= someone who is dead.

----edited repeatedly to attempt to remove your hanging bold or strong font tag. If you cannot use HTML tags properly, do not use them.

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"



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Randy is not nor ever was Wyatt's friend. He set that kid up and left him to die. That is what we keep telling you. Randy is a WITNESS only, a witness who has changed his story at least twice to the police (that inconsistency is also reported in the Patch although you never comment on that) . For those reasons and others, that is why Randy's account is suspect.

@Mr. Mephisto - You are going to turn blue holding your breath for an answer containing any rationality from Bystander, I believe.

@Pinhead -I've learned so much about HTML from this thread LoLz

@to meph - link, please

Bystander Wrote:
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> So, Mr.Meph what you posted earlier was just bull
> shit lies that others have been pointing you out
> for.

My position hasn't changed for the duration of this sad little drama. It's been the same old thing based on the same old facts.

> For what ever reason, you seem hell bent to
> slander a youth that was murdered and can't defend
> himself on a public forum.

You're an idiot. If you don't get it by now, you never will.

> Since you are alive and can defend yourself, I'll
> just have to make it a point to make sure others
> on FU understand where you are coming from, for
> now on...

You do that, sport.

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to meph Wrote:
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> Randy is not nor ever was Wyatt's friend. He set
> that kid up and left him to die. That is what we
> keep telling you.

Thanks for proving my point.

> Randy is a WITNESS only, a
> witness who has changed his story at least twice
> to the police (that inconsistency is also reported
> in the Patch although you never comment on that) .
> For those reasons and others, that is why Randy's
> account is suspect.

Link or STFU.

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Smiths are Scum Wrote:
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> question? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I thought a 15 year old could NOT be tried as
> an
> > adult.
>
>
> They can if a juvenile court judge orders him or
> her too. Depends to on the nature and violence of
> the crime. The only difference is that even though
> they can be as a adult would, let's say the charge
> is Murder In the 1st degree they can not receive
> the death penalty. Because technically they are
> still under 18. I personally do not agree with
> that. If you take a life, you deserve to lose
> your's.


Just getting around to reading this. How is any of this slander? Dead kid's friend said he dropped off weed at his grandmother's place before the fight. After that fact, it is plausible that dead kid is (was) dealing drugs.

Wyatt lived in Rose Hill all of his life, Held a full time job from the age of 16, had good grades and got his GED at 16. He also didn't have a juvy or adult record.
If he was a drug dealler in that neighborhood while not having a vehicle and stayed off the PDs radar, then...





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Bystander Wrote:
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> Wyatt lived in Rose Hill all of his life, Held a
> full time job from the age of 16, had good grades
> and got his GED at 16.



If he had such good grades, why did he drop out of high school?

Ha Wrote:
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> Smiths are Scum Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > question? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I thought a 15 year old could NOT be tried as
> > an
> > > adult.
> >
> >
> > They can if a juvenile court judge orders him
> or
> > her too. Depends to on the nature and violence
> of
> > the crime. The only difference is that even
> though
> > they can be as a adult would, let's say the
> charge
> > is Murder In the 1st degree they can not
> receive
> > the death penalty. Because technically they are
> > still under 18. I personally do not agree with
> > that. If you take a life, you deserve to lose
> > your's.
>
>
> Just getting around to reading this. How is any
> of this slander? Dead kid's friend said he
> dropped off weed at his grandmother's place before
> the fight. After that fact, it is plausible that
> dead kid is (was) dealing drugs.

Randy was lying. He never went to Wyatt's house with him, he dropped Wyatt off, Wyatt was home for the night till Randy called and Wyatt left, and No we don't really know what was said on the phone. Randy has constantly lied and Wyatt is gone.

eesh Wrote:
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>
> If he had such good grades, why did he drop out of
> high school?
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Probably to get his GED???

Whatever, this thread is about Steven Smith....



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Bystander Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
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> >
> > If he had such good grades, why did he drop out
> of
> > high school?
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> Probably to get his GED???



If he was smart enough to get good grades, he was smart enough to know that a GED is not the same as a high school diploma. Any kid that is getting good grades has the sense to finish high school in this day and age.

> Randy was lying. He never went to Wyatt's house
> with him, he dropped Wyatt off, Wyatt was home for
> the night till Randy called and Wyatt left, and No
> we don't really know what was said on the phone.
> Randy has constantly lied and Wyatt is gone.

I always wondered why Randy would stash his pot at Wyatts and then just leave Wyatt there with his drugs. Wouldn't most pot heads worry about their stash getting pinched a little?

eesh Wrote:
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> If he was smart enough to get good grades, he was
> smart enough to know that a GED is not the same as
> a high school diploma. Any kid that is getting
> good grades has the sense to finish high school in
> this day and age.

Getting a little off topic. This thread is about Steven Smith. Maybe you should start a new thread about whether it is smarter to get a GED at 16 or stay in school?

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> to meph Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Randy is not nor ever was Wyatt's friend. He
> set
> > that kid up and left him to die. That is what
> we
> > keep telling you.
>
> Thanks for proving my point.
>
> > Randy is a WITNESS only, a
> > witness who has changed his story at least
> twice
> > to the police (that inconsistency is also
> reported
> > in the Patch although you never comment on that)
> .
> > For those reasons and others, that is why
> Randy's
> > account is suspect.
>
> Link or STFU.


That person was not being hostile or impolite toward you, trying to figure out why yoU were toward the.

eesh Wrote:
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> Bystander Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > eesh Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > > If he had such good grades, why did he drop
> out
> > of
> > > high school?
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > Probably to get his GED???
>
>
>
> If he was smart enough to get good grades, he was
> smart enough to know that a GED is not the same as
> a high school diploma. Any kid that is getting
> good grades has the sense to finish high school in
> this day and age.

So are you saying only stupid people get GED's?? There are a lot of reason's why kids get their GED's instead some kid's are not cut out for classroom's or they become sick and have to leave school, it does not mean they are not smart because they get a ged instead.

for eesh Wrote:
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>
> So are you saying only stupid people get GED's??


Yes. If Bystander is being truthful in describing this degenerate loser as a kid that made good grades, there there was no reason for him to drop out of school.



> There are a lot of reason's why kids get their
> GED's instead some kid's are not cut out for
> classroom's


Again, according to Bystander, the kid was making top grades, so it sounds like he was cut out for the classroom.

eesh Wrote:
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> for eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > So are you saying only stupid people get
> GED's??
>
>
> Yes. If Bystander is being truthful in describing
> this degenerate loser as a kid that made good
> grades, there there was no reason for him to drop
> out of school.
>
>
>
> > There are a lot of reason's why kids get their
> > GED's instead some kid's are not cut out for
> > classroom's
>
>
> Again, according to Bystander, the kid was making
> top grades, so it sounds like he was cut out for
> the classroom.

First off who the hell are you to make a judgment call like that 1) I have my GED went on to get a degree in college, sorry to burst your bitch bubble but I am not Stupid. Like I said before there are a lot of reason's people do not get high school diploma's and instead opt to get their Ged. 2) Wyatt was not a degenerate loser, but you on the other hand are a ignorant human being who is cold and heartless. And you should really STFU!!

Bystander Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
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> -----
> > If he was smart enough to get good grades, he
> was
> > smart enough to know that a GED is not the same
> as
> > a high school diploma. Any kid that is getting
> > good grades has the sense to finish high school
> in
> > this day and age.
>
> Getting a little off topic. This thread is about
> Steven Smith. Maybe you should start a new thread
> about whether it is smarter to get a GED at 16 or
> stay in school?




how do you do that green writing? it looks cool!



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"same shirt, different day"
--Mr. Misery

@teri http://www.wikihow.com/Change-Text-Color-in-HTML

@eesh - I dunno about a GED being stupid - I mean, getting one means that the person at least went thru the effort, y'know?

@Randy Lied - you say Randy has constantly lied? About what, exactly? And WHY would Wyatt (such a good kid, you see) hang out with someone as scummy as you portray Randy to be?

<font color= "green">teri~ Wrote:
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> ...how do you do that green writing? it looks cool!
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
> "same shirt, different day"
> --Mr. Misery </font>
I like to seperate what others have said when quoting someone. Makes it easier to read.
Here is an easier way then the link that Gordon Blvd posted:
All text after placement of <font color= "green"> will be green until you end the font by closing it with </font>
There is a space between the = and "
You can replace green with almost any color. Just be sure not to leave any unnecessary extra spaces between the < and > and always close it at the end by placing </font> at the end of the text.


Enjoy



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06/16/2011 01:36PM by Bystander.

As a parent and a adult I have to say I' m a little disturbed by a lot of these postings. First thing is as a parent if my 15year old child had murdered someone and it was deliberate I would make him or her ( mine are 10 and 12 ) step up and take responsible ty, I would certainly not put the victim's family through a trial. It would be the right thing to do. As a adult I' am appalled by some of the people on here talking to the deceased's family and friends like they are beneath you and wrong for their beliefs....I have to say that I do not believe it was self defense, There is no way not with 13 to 15 stab wounds.

A Parent As Well Wrote:
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> As a parent and a adult I have to say I' m a
> little disturbed by a lot of these postings. First
> thing is as a parent if my 15year old child had
> murdered someone and it was deliberate I would
> make him or her ( mine are 10 and 12 ) step up and
> take responsible ty, I would certainly not put the
> victim's family through a trial. It would be the
> right thing to do. As a adult I' am appalled by
> some of the people on here talking to the
> deceased's family and friends like they are
> beneath you and wrong for their beliefs....I have
> to say that I do not believe it was self defense,
> There is no way not with 13 to 15 stab wounds.



Is English your second language?

eesh Wrote:
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> A Parent As Well Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As a parent and a adult I have to say I' m a
> > little disturbed by a lot of these postings.
> First
> > thing is as a parent if my 15year old child had
> > murdered someone and it was deliberate I would
> > make him or her ( mine are 10 and 12 ) step up
> and
> > take responsible ty, I would certainly not put
> the
> > victim's family through a trial. It would be
> the
> > right thing to do. As a adult I' am appalled by
> > some of the people on here talking to the
> > deceased's family and friends like they are
> > beneath you and wrong for their beliefs....I
> have
> > to say that I do not believe it was self
> defense,
> > There is no way not with 13 to 15 stab wounds.
>
>
>
> Is English your second language?


Excuse me are you the Fairfax Underground grammar room monitor? I wasn't aware we were back in highschool and being graded for our english. Is Bitch your second language?

For eesh Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Is English your second language?
>
>
> Excuse me are you the Fairfax Underground grammar
> room monitor? I wasn't aware we were back in
> highschool and being graded for our english. Is
> Bitch your second language?

That sounds like a "yes" to me.

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What a bunch of bulls*** crying self defense, 13 stab wounds equal Murder!!!!!!!!!! Once more it should be Murder 1 since he admitted in the search warrant he had been looking for Wyatt to attack him, Hmmm Sounds premeditated to me!!!!

I'd agree - except the "victim" was carrying a weapon and had agreed earlier to meet up with the "murderer" to fight.

As much as some of y'all would like to ignore that simple widdle factoid, that sorta thing is gonna stick out like a sore thumb at a real court-like trial, y'know........................

you are so so wrong...keep on bringing the witnesses...once one fell the rest are talking...hey Bystander this is going to really hurt the trolls feelings when the trial gets under way...and gordo/troll you did notice that there was not court for steven smith on friday, sometimes the patch does get it wrong...

Get Real Wrote:
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> > What a bunch of bulls*** crying self defense, 13
> > stab wounds equal Murder!!!!!!!!!! Once more it
> > should be Murder 1 since he admitted in the search
> > warrant he had been looking for Wyatt to attack
> > him, Hmmm Sounds premeditated to me!!!!


Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> I'd agree - except the "victim" was carrying a
> weapon and had agreed earlier to meet up with the
> "murderer" to fight.
>
> As much as some of y'all would like to ignore that
> simple widdle factoid, that sorta thing is gonna
> stick out like a sore thumb at a real court-like
> trial, y'know........................


Yeah, he showed up -- with a *golf club*

Okay, so he was ready to rumble.

Let's say he raised the club, attacked.

A man's gotta protect himself, so the other dude stabs him.

*That's* self-defense.

But then he goes on to stab him -- 13 times.

13 motherfuckin times???

That's murder.

Now, what's the counter? Well, maybe these dudes had a long, dragout fight. Lee Marvin vs. Ernest Borgnine Emperor of the North shit. A lot of strategic back-and-forth, little knife wounds here and there finally adding up to lucky 13.

My ass. Get real. Long-ass fights like that just don't happen in real life. They don't happen on THE STREET, as you might know if you weren't such a pampered little punkass bitch.

Anyhow, this cat ain't gettin off on no self-defense, no fuckin way. I guarantee you that. It may not be first-degree murder, might be second degree given the circumstances. Voluntary manslaughter? No, not when the cat was packin a knife. No fuckin way he gets voluntary manslaughter.


> y'all would like to ignore that simple widdle factoid

Nigga think he Elmer Fudd now. I flick a *lit* cigarette at your ugly ass head.

@ togordon - Do you have a link to show the patch is wrong? Cause I'm not too sure what yr talking about, no offense.

@ @gordoofus - you go ahead and tell that tale in a courtroom - see how that works out for you LoLz

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @ @gordoofus - you go ahead and tell that tale in
> a courtroom - see how that works out for you LoLz


As the case has wound its way through the judicial system, both sides have had a chance to tell their respective stories. Your lolz to the contrary notwithstanding, all of the objective facts point to this being a case of murder, not manslaughter,

1. A judge - who knows more about the actual facts of the case than anyone on this board - found probable cause for a second degree murder charge, thus allowing a 15-year old to be tried as an adult. That's kind of a big deal, to put it mildly.

Strike one for the manslaughter theory.

2. Smith's attorney, Cary Greenburg, argued that Smith should be charged with voluntary manslaughter, which would have kept the matter in juvenile court, a far more favorable venue for his client. But that argument failed because the judge saw it as a case of murder, not manslaughter.

Strike two for the manslaughter theory.

3. In advancing his manslaughter argument, Greenburg averred: "Did Wyatt hold the knife and stab himself in a tussle? We have no idea!"

A "highly ludicrous" argument the prosecution replied, and rightly so.

The Wyatt stabbed himself defense? A definite swing and a miss.

Now there's always the chance that at trial Mr. Greenburg will pull a Perry Mason-like rabbit out of his hat.

But based on the way the case has progressed and his comments thus far, that hope appears rather ephemeral, at best.

Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
But there is no joy on Gordon Blvd; the mighty Lolz has struck out.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> I'd agree - except the "victim" was carrying a
> weapon and had agreed earlier to meet up with the
> "murderer" to fight.
>
> As much as some of y'all would like to ignore that
> simple widdle factoid, that sorta thing is gonna
> stick out like a sore thumb at a real court-like
> trial, y'know........................

How many times do you need to be told RANDY LIED!!!! WYATT NEVER AGREED TO MEET ANYONE!!!! Randy never went to gmaw's house to drop off any effin pot!!! He only dropped Wyatt off he did not ever come in!!! Wyatt was home for the night!!!!!!!!!!! Till 20 mins later when he got that call ..............

@gordoofus - ha!! +1 for you! LOVE the poetry at the end! Let me ask if you know will it be a jury trial or not?

@Get Real - which gonna be a BIG hole for the prosecution's case cause Wyatt then ended up later that night at the SAME Sev that he had been in an altercation with someone earlier AND HE HAD A WEAPON WITH HIM THIS TIME! And that happened AFTER THAT CALL he got.

Yes, it's a jury trial scheduled for July 5. http://kingstowne.patch.com/articles/rose-hill-murder-trial-postponed-golf-club-to-be-tested-for-dna

@don't judge a book- you should stop. You are not helping anything!

kid is trying to say its okay for a minor to get drunk at home ....

kids these days Wrote:
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> @don't judge a book- you should stop. You are not
> helping anything!
>
> kid is trying to say its okay for a minor to get
> drunk at home ....


Not sure what the big dramatic writing was for, I scrolled through the page I did not see a Poster with that name???? Are you feeling ok? Take your Meds today? This much Ill say No one said it was ok for Minors to drink at home, Wyatt wasnt a Minor by Virginia Law he was at 18 a legal adult. What was said by one person was it was his 18th birthday he was at his home on his backporch I dont care what half of you say , You are hippocrites atleast half of you, You can not tell me some of you did not have a sip of beer or wine from your parents on a special day. or at 18 didnt have a drink yourself. He wasnt out running the streets, he wasnt out drinking and driving, Leave the damn kid alone and let him Rest in Peace for God's sAkes

So anyone know why the older brother was not locked up? David Smith should have been charged with at least. Accessory to the Crime.

because of the agreement for mutual combat - that's why, prolly.............

For what ever reason (I'm not here to speculate) the younger brother, Steven Smith, confessed to being the one that fought with Wyatt Campbell. David Smith did not. I will be willing to speculate after the trail.

The younger brother agreed because they all thought since he did stab him that if no one else took responsibility that the younger brother would get out of jail when he turned 18 while the others would get 20 years if the admitted their part. The older brother will probably be charged after this trial.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> because of the agreement for mutual combat -
> that's why, prolly.............


Mutual Combat???? ...This isn't West Side Story 4 goodness sakes or Rival gangs

@seriously dude - you say that, but then I see this pic here that depicts the sorta thing that Jets and Sharks would leave around...................
Attachments:

sumpin sumpin creepy bout u and that picture

Nice sign. A shame that Wyatt is too dead to read it.

to bystander Wrote:
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> The younger brother agreed because they all
> thought since he did stab him that if no one else
> took responsibility that the younger brother would
> get out of jail when he turned 18 while the others
> would get 20 years if the admitted their part.
> The older brother will probably be charged after
> this trial.


I have no idea if this is true, but the part about the younger brother taking the rap sounds semi-plausible (obviously that has now backfired on him).

However, if the prosecutors had the evidence to charge the older brother, they would charge him now. They wouldn't wait until after the trial. Among other things, bringing a charge would give them control over him and prevent him from fleeing.

It's funny how they left empty 40's at the memorial site........

plus no 15 year old should be charged as an adult, totally defeats purpose of having juvenile justice

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

Seriously Dude, if your trippin that damn bad over a freakin pic of a memorial you havin issues man for real. Stay off the crack dude

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"



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then let that murdering bastard move next door to your kids, we don't want him

to rofl Wrote:
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> then let that murdering bastard move next door to
> your kids, we don't want him

As long as he's raised his kids to not rob other people or get into alley fights, I don't think he'd have a problem.

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wyatt was ambushed asshole he wasnt a thug or a robber but stevie is a murderer and so is david

As much as you would like it to be all about Wyatt, it isn't. It is about the behavior of the smiths and their twisted sense of morality. Once again, Wyatt did not rob them. The three people who retrieved their belongings from Steven Smith are still alive. Maybe if the Smith's parents had taught their children that MURDER is wrong all of this could have been avoided. Or at least if they had gotten stevens eyes checked he could have seen it wasn't Wyatt who "robbed" him and his friends.

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> plus no 15 year old should be charged as an adult,
> totally defeats purpose of having juvenile justice

Horseshit. Juvenile justice is for juvenile offenses: petty theft, simple assault, vandalism, etc. Do adult crime, do adult time.

Ut videam Wrote:
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> rofl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > plus no 15 year old should be charged as an
> adult,
> > totally defeats purpose of having juvenile
> justice
>
> Horseshit. Juvenile justice is for juvenile
> offenses: petty theft, simple assault, vandalism,
> etc. Do adult crime, do adult time.

so using your logic, adults who commit juvenile offenses should be treated as juveniles????


The point is this, if you can't vote, drink, serve in the military, or in this case even operate a motor vehicle, you're legally treated as a child. Kids who are 15 don't fully understand the consequences of their actions.

While I personally think that if he did infact kill someone else that 25 years is a reasonable sentence, I don't think that life in prison without parole would be reasonable, and that's what some juveniles who commit 'adult crimes' are faced with.

@ROFL -you are using faulty logic with yr theory "so using your logic, adults who commit juvenile offenses should be treated as juveniles???? ": it's like saying that you believe that if grass is green, then everything green is grass - doesnt make any sense.

I'm sorry but if you rape or murder, chances are you need to have yr ass in adult court, REGARDLESS of age.

Juvenile court is for juvenile offenses (like illegal drinking, shoplifting, etc.) and grown up court is for grown ups AND grown up offenses, plain and simple.

@to gordon - something creepy about that picture in general

@seriously dude - if you cant see how that pic is strange in and of itself, it's you the ones with the issues for real

ROFL Wrote:
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> so using your logic, adults who commit juvenile
> offenses should be treated as juveniles????

Looks like someone needs a remedial logic course. The converse of a proposition is not necessarily true. If p then q ≠ If q then p

http://www.jimloy.com/logic/converse.htm

> Kids who are 15 don't fully understand the
> consequences of their actions.

Horseshit. A 15-year-old is certainly aware that dead is forever, for instance. That's why Virginia law treats those over 14 years old differently than younger juveniles when they commit adult crimes:

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+16.1-269.1

> While I personally think that if he did infact
> kill someone else that 25 years is a reasonable
> sentence, I don't think that life in prison
> without parole would be reasonable, and that's
> what some juveniles who commit 'adult crimes' are
> faced with.

Red herring. No one's argued here that juveniles should get life without parole. Your original argument was "no 15 year old should be charged as an adult," which was and remains pure horseshit. In fact, your own quoted statement that "if he did infact (sic) kill someone else that 25 years is a reasonable sentence" shows that you know it's horseshit, since you must be aware that the juvenile justice system is legally incapable of handing out a 25-year sentence. The lesser of seven years or the offender's twenty-first birthday is the limit:

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+16.1-285.1

ROFL Wrote:
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> Kids who are 15 don't fully understand the
> consequences of their actions.

I'd point out this is absolute bullshit, but everyone else beat me to it.

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http://rosehill.patch.com/articles/defense-in-rose-hill-trial-subpoenas-victims-grandmother-brother-2?ncid=M255
The defense lawyer in the case of a 15-year-old boy accused of murdering Rose Hill teen Wyatt Campbell has requested seven new witnesses for the trial, scheduled for July 5.

The subpoenaed witnesses include the victim's grandmother and brother, as well as two members of the Fairfax County Police Department.
The 15-year-old is accused of second degree murder in the case. Campbell died on October 14, 2010, from stab wounds he received earlier that night. It is Patch policy not to name minors accused of crimes.
Along with the victim's grandmother and brother and the FCPD officers, the defense team has also summoned three teenagers connected to Campbell or the defendant to appear as witnesses.

This is interesting, wonder what these individuals can bring to the defense table?

to bystander ()
Date: June 21, 2011 05:21PM
The younger brother agreed because they all thought since he did stab him that if no one else took responsibility that the younger brother would get out of jail when he turned 18 while the others would get 20 years if the admitted their part. The older brother will probably be charged after this trial.

This statement that Steven is taking the fail has been floating around the community for some time. Also floating is the safe issue and the fact that Randy had the safe after Wyatt's death and had taken it to 3 other homes trying to open it but the individuals at the 3 homes wanted nothing to do with it. Wonder where the safe is now, Randy or the prosecutor's possession?
My question, why was this safe not at Wyatt's home? Never have been able to understand.

The week of the 5th of July is going to be interesting.

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> The defense lawyer ... has requested seven new witnesses...
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> This is interesting, wonder what these individuals
> can bring to the defense table?


They can muddy the waters.
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