What concerns me is why his brother was not charged as a compliance in the MURDER of WYATT CAMPBELL 18yrs old when he was brutally stabbed to death not once BUT 12 times by that MONSTER. What else concerns me as a parent is why was he out that night at that late hour on probation already for breaking a entering and the kicker ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON!!!... In a area he didn't live in stalking Wyatt Campbell!!!

Damn button wasn't done so as to what I was saying it would seem to me his parents should be held accountable for Wyatt Campbell's death as well. No I do not know either family but I do know what is right and what is wrong!!!... To Wyatts family so sorry for your loss it was a senseless tragedy. That could have been avoided if that kids parents had been doing their job.

Hey Onion

What video did u post?? Can't view it from phone.

steven smith is a murderer

by holding the parents accountable you are taking some of the accountability away from the the actual criminal, the murderer, bad behavior and all of that reflects the parents but when you are talking about murder that is entirely different. the kid obviously knew what he was doing was wrong so he either figured he would get away with it or didnt care. the crime is murder and the person who committed it should be the one punished for it. not some spiderweb of blame that we always see where a 6th grade bully, incompetent parent or something like that always comes up to be the reason for the murderers actions.

Marcus, I agree with you but can relate to what that person was saying that where where the parents when this was going on?

Steve Smith is a wide receiver for the Carolina Panthers! Oh yeah, there's another one the plays for the Giants!

Where are the parents? Sometimes the parents are tying to deal with the problem, but instead of getting helped by the authorities they are hindered. For example I was in court one day and overheard a parent ranting to a police officer. Seems the parent was there in the morning because his kid had been picked up by the police for slipping out of the house. Apparently this was not the first time. The interesting part was that the parent also had a hearing later that day to deal with a CPS charge for putting locks on the kid's room to keep the kid from getting out. The ever helpful officer's response when the father asked what he was supposed to do: "Hey, nobody said being a parent was easy". always wondered what happened in that case.

We want to hold parents more accountable for the actions of their children at the same time that we are imposing greater limitations on parents' ability to control their children.

> "because his kid had been picked up by the police for
> slipping out of the house. Apparently this was not the first time...
> ...The interesting part was that the parent also had a hearing later
> that day to deal with a CPS charge for putting locks on the kid's
> room to keep the kid from getting out. The ever helpful officer's
> response when the father asked what he was supposed to do:
> "Hey, nobody said being a parent was easy".

FAIR ENOUGH.
NEXT TIME I SEE A COP GETTING HIS ASS BEAT DOWN ON THE SIDE
OF THE ROAD, MAYBE I SHOULD JUST KEEP DRIVING -BECAUSE HEY,
NOBODY SAID BEING A COP WAS EASY.

You are so right BILL, it is a double standard on one hand we are suppose to control our kids yet if we do! OMG its child abuse. I will say this though if I know as a parent that my kid is sinking! I'm going to do whatever I have to, too make sure he is pulled back in. Another wards if my son was going down the wrong path I'm going to do whatever means I can to steer him back even it means having him locked up! So he does not only harm himself but someone else or in such as this case MURDER someone.

to "a concerned parent", so your logic is the smiths should be charged too cause they werent doing their jobs as parents by letting both boys be out late, then by your same logic the cambells should be accountable too because they let their kid out at night too... just saying... your a retard. the whole situation is messed up, deal with it

hey asshole just sayin....Wyatt was an adult how are the campbells accountable. steven smith was a minor

Just sayin... Wyatt was a adult !!

Agree to a Point Wrote:
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> Marcus, I agree with you but can relate to what
> that person was saying that where where the
> parents when this was going on?


i don't know anyone involved with this but regardless of any mistakes that the parents may have made raising their son i do not think you can directly attribute any of them to causing a murder. it doesnt sound like this kid lived a sheltered life so there is no way he did not know it is against the law to murder and if he did not understand what the penalties were that is his fault. growing up in nova i snuck out a good amount of times i did plenty of stuff that the government would deem illegal but i never got caught and i never killed a person

Let's hope the justice system does their job and puts his boy away. I have seen the news on this story and read the newspaper articles. I'm sure it is safe to say he is going to claim self defense but please he stabbed what 12 or 15 times???? Regardless of his age he knew what he was doing was wrong and that he was out to kill that young man. No human being has the right to take another's life unless I do have some exceptions to this so I'm sure people after reading this will say that I'm a double standard person. Ok the way I feel is this If someone harms your child you have every right to defend them, if someone sexually assualts you you have that right to defend your self. Say your house is broke into and someone trys to harm you or family same thing. BUT by defending I mean let's say you have a knife stabbing someone once maybe twice but not 12 times that is deliberately taking a life that is not right!!!
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just saying... Wrote:
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> to "a concerned parent", so your logic is the
> smiths should be charged too cause they werent
> doing their jobs as parents by letting both boys
> be out late, then by your same logic the cambells
> should be accountable too because they let their
> kid out at night too... just saying... your a
> retard. the whole situation is messed up, deal
> with it

Hmmm that person is a retard why? Because you disagree? Grow up it is called" The 1st Amendment"
so what if Wyatt Campbell was out that night. Yo RETARD he was 18. If your gonna write about a topic shit as least make sure ya get the factz straight because you are the one who looks like a dumbass!!

How do you know he was actin in self defance , christ hass anyyone asked hiss side?? Fuckin losers

Self defensive????? Are you smoking crack????... Excuse me but multiple stab wounds do not indicate self defensive that says MURDER!!!!

smiths are scum Wrote:
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> Self defensive????? Are you smoking crack????...
> Excuse me but multiple stab wounds do not indicate
> self defensive that says MURDER!!!!


Multiple wounds do not in themselves negate self-defense. It's the size, depth, angle, and large or small number that determine that. Somebody could have reasonably needed to stab an attacker half-a-dozen times to get them to cease their approach, but something like 40 stab wounds is obviously out of the question (Unless the attacker is on PCP). It all depends on a lot, though.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

The main thing is that Wyatt Campbell is gooey wormfood

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W.W.S.D. what would Scooby Doo

Isn't there already a thread about this?

Back to the ex-girlfriend picture thread...

steven smith is gonna be somebodys girlfriend

@ The Pack Leader - He murdered him in cold blood. @graygoose1- I see you like animals maybe we should make them gooey worm food asshole @kc - sure is 12x over

I read about this in the paper. If you are going to play and act like an adult and also commit such a heinous act really you deserve to die as well. Sorry call me a hard ass but you take a life it shows me 2 things. 1st is you are a vial person and second you have no regard for human life. Va needs to change some laws. One of them should be if you take a life in such a manor as this, yours just be taken to.

" There is more to the World than Sunshine and Lollipops"

SunshineAndLollipops Wrote:
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> I read about this in the paper. If you are going
> to play and act like an adult and also commit such
> a heinous act really you deserve to die as well.
> Sorry call me a hard ass but you take a life it
> shows me 2 things. 1st is you are a vial person
> and second you have no regard for human life. Va
> needs to change some laws. One of them should be
> if you take a life in such a manor as this, yours
> just be taken to.

steven smith has a rape filled future ahead of him in prison. I hope he's getting plenty of rest.

Steven Smith is going to somebody's bitch for a long ass time we hope.. His family is scum just like he is.. Daddy has been arrested for Domestic Violence, his older brotheR David has a record as well. Hmmm abow about them apples?!?!?!? ... They don't fall to far from the tree...

smiths are scum Wrote:
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> @ The Pack Leader - He murdered him in cold blood.
> @graygoose1- I see you like animals maybe we
> should make them gooey worm food asshole @kc -
> sure is 12x over

It wasn't like Wyatt was walking home after volunteering at a homeless shelter, minding his own business, and some kid jumped out of nowhere and stabbed him to death. He got into an argument, went home to drop off his drugs and grab a weapon, then met these kids behind a store to engage in an armed conflict.

The only difference between Wyatt and this Smith kid is that Wyatt lost the fight. Don't think for a second that Wyatt wouldn't have fucked that kid up with the golf club (possibly even killing him) if he had the chance. Then everyone would be on here talking about what a saint the Smith kid was and how Wyatt's going to be someone's girlfriend.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> smiths are scum Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > @ The Pack Leader - He murdered him in cold
> blood.
> > @graygoose1- I see you like animals maybe we
> > should make them gooey worm food asshole @kc -
> > sure is 12x over
>
> It wasn't like Wyatt was walking home after
> volunteering at a homeless shelter, minding his
> own business, and some kid jumped out of nowhere
> and stabbed him to death. He got into an argument,
> went home to drop off his drugs and grab a weapon,
> then met these kids behind a store to engage in an
> armed conflict.
>
> The only difference between Wyatt and this Smith
> kid is that Wyatt lost the fight. Don't think for
> a second that Wyatt wouldn't have fucked that kid
> up with the golf club (possibly even killing him)
> if he had the chance. Then everyone would be on
> here talking about what a saint the Smith kid was
> and how Wyatt's going to be someone's girlfriend.

+1

Both of them were already too far gone for rehabilitation barring some serious change in their lives. Their parents had failed them both, both will be held accountable for their actions, Steven in a court of law..Wyatt whose equally responsible for his own fate in the afterlife. Sad story, no one wins everyone looses but hopefully the families of both realize how important it is to provide a stable household for raising children, not the broken homes both kids came from.

Brett Smit

Brett smith. DWI. Related to a wife beater and a murderer and a car thief. You are a great one to pass judgement on a dead 18 year old with no record. Your whole family has been arrested.

Exactly, how do you think I know how hopeless it would have been to assume any other fate would have befallen either Steven or Wyatt. Wyatt is dead because he chose to die. Steven is in jail because he chose to kill. I chose to drink and drive, my family has chosen the lifestyle that has brought so much upon them. Don't mourn for Wyatt or Steven, direct that emotion into making sure the next generation after them doesn't have the same shitty upbringing that lead them both down the wrong path. Thank god neither Wyatt nor Steven will ever have children.

You have no idea who or what the victim was but everybody knows what your family is. MUDERER MURDERER MURDERER MURDERER

fu Wrote:
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> You have no idea who or what the victim was but
> everybody knows what your family is. MUDERER
> MURDERER MURDERER MURDERER

Way to respond to a level-headed and rational message in such a mature fashion. Truly, it speaks volumes.

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Is it rational to make generalizations and statements about a victim he knows nothing about except what his murdering relative told him.

fu Wrote:
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> Is it rational to make generalizations and
> statements about a victim he knows nothing about
> except what his murdering relative told him.

Considering the facts of the case and the sheer volume of information posted in the other thread, "Brett Smith" isn't making any unfair or wild statements. It doesn't sound like he's defending Steven or blaming Wyatt. It sounds like he's making the very obvious statement that the situation both boys currently find themselves in is a result of the life they chose to lead. I agree with him; these kids willingly chose to fight each other with weapons, so what other outcome could there have been?

I don't know anyone involved with this whole fiasco, thank the gods. But based on what I've seen so far, there's no way anyone can rightly say that the blame is solely on Steven's shoulders. Both kids fucked up, now one is dead and the other is in jail.

Instead of defending the behavior that led them both to where they are right now, maybe you should, as Brett suggested, focus on ways to prevent this from happening to other kids.

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Smith is going to be somebody's boyfriend in the slammer.

Nowhere does it state the victim was a drug dealer except in the defense of the murderer. The victim had NO record while the Washington Post reported that the murderer did. It also states in the court record that the victim was called to save a friend from being beaten or worse by the Smiths. I also am not able to make a connection about why this relative would blame the victim's parents. Certainly you can't possibly think the victim's parents are to blame for Steven Smith murdering him while he was defending himself against a knife and a gun.

fu Wrote:
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> Nowhere does it state the victim was a drug dealer
> except in the defense of the murderer. The victim
> had NO record while the Washington Post reported
> that the murderer did. It also states in the
> court record that the victim was called to save a
> friend from being beaten or worse by the Smiths.
> I also am not able to make a connection about why
> this relative would blame the victim's parents.
> Certainly you can't possibly think the victim's
> parents are to blame for Steven Smith murdering
> him while he was defending himself against a knife
> and a gun.

I'm starting to question how well you knew Wyatt, yourself.

Read.

http://kingstowne.patch.com/articles/alleged-murderer-of-rose-hill-teen-to-be-tried-as-adult

"If y'all want to see me, you can see me around the corner," Taylor said he told the brothers. Then he and Campbell went to Campbell's grandmother's home nearby to drop off a small amount of marijuana Campbell was carrying, according to Taylor.

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I don't know him but a small amount of marijuana doesn't sound like a drug dealer.

fu Wrote:
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> I don't know him

You're sure talking a lot of shit about the Smiths for someone who didn't even know the victim.

> but a small amount of marijuana
> doesn't sound like a drug dealer.

No, but going home to drop off a small amount of marijuana and grab a weapon does sound like someone headed for jail or an early grave.

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So it is the victim's fault? That doesn't make sense. That is like saying a prostitute deserves to be raped.

a concerned parent Wrote:
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> So it is the victim's fault? That doesn't make
> sense. That is like saying a prostitute deserves
> to be raped.

If you don't understand what I'm saying at this point, there's no reason for me to try to explain it to you again.

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I thought a 15 year old could NOT be tried as an adult.

question? Wrote:
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> I thought a 15 year old could NOT be tried as an
> adult.


They can if a juvenile court judge orders him or her too. Depends to on the nature and violence of the crime. The only difference is that even though they can be as a adult would, let's say the charge is Murder In the 1st degree they can not receive the death penalty. Because technically they are still under 18. I personally do not agree with that. If you take a life, you deserve to lose your's.

Brett Smith, Do you have kids? Because I am wondering let's say for the sake of argument it was your child murdered, would you still think he deserved it because he was already headed down the wrong path?? ... This crap I have been reading is unreal. It does not matter what line of work Wyatt Campbell was doing or not doing. In fact if I have read the articles correctly it was your family out looking to cause trouble that night. It is fucking amazing to me how you and everyone else on this web site blame the victim. How can you actually say that Wyatt was looking to die that night! You sound as retarded as Steven Smith"s lawyer. You did not know the victim any more then I did. You are going around calling him a drug dealer etc and slamming his parents. I am sorry did you grow up in that house? You have no clue how Wyatt was raised. I believe the term I am looking for is " Slander" and "Defamation of Character". You and your family are looking for any way you can to justify what Steven did, but there is not any. He took a knife and stabbed that child 15 times! Only justice there should be is for Wyatt. Let's hope its max of 40 years. I swear to god it seems on this forum that everyone is insane, all of you haters always find a way to blame the victim. That is craziness.

Actually wyatt was supposed to be going to a friends. not out there so what the fuck how do you know what he was doing? Plus i've unfourntatly had the misplesure of meeting the smiths, not the best people. Their obviously crazy, and one who doesn't walk around rose hill shopping center at night every once in a while, it happens expecially if you live right down the way from it.

Also everyones saying they were fighting with weapons....it was the smiths who had a gun and a knife wasn't it? i'm pretty sure wyatt only had a golf club....HOW IS THAT A FAIR FIGHT

It was not a fare fight those trailor trash assholes brought the wepons a gun an knife shitz I wood have grabbed sumthang too if I herd wright gettin ur windoz smashed dosnt say letz kill him. Dumb mutha fuckers steven smith will be the one wid sumthang up his anus .

rosehillhoodrat Wrote:
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> Also everyones saying they were fighting with
> weapons....it was the smiths who had a gun and a
> knife wasn't it? i'm pretty sure wyatt only had a
> golf club....HOW IS THAT A FAIR FIGHT

1. It wasn't a real gun.

2. A golf club can be every bit as deadly as a knife.

3. Both parties were ready to seriously injure or kill each other.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> rosehillhoodrat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Also everyones saying they were fighting with
> > weapons....it was the smiths who had a gun and
> a
> > knife wasn't it? i'm pretty sure wyatt only had
> a
> > golf club....HOW IS THAT A FAIR FIGHT
>
> 1. It wasn't a real gun.
>
> 2. A golf club can be every bit as deadly as a
> knife.
>
> 3. Both parties were ready to seriously injure or
> kill each other.

You are so quick to point out when someone is defendi
ng Wyatt that maybe they know him better then they say. Same thing could be said about you with The Smith's!! You seem to defend that murder a lot! One other thing If I remember reading correctly Wyatt did not hit one person with that club. But Steven certainly made sure he used that knife on Wyatt 12X.

closer then u say Wrote:
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> You are so quick to point out when someone is
> defending Wyatt that maybe they know him better then they
> say. Same thing could be said about you with The
> Smith's!! You seem to defend that murder a lot!

For the last time, I think both boys are equally responsible for where they are now. This was only going to end one way for them; one dead, the other in jail. The only variable was which person would be where.

> One other thing If I remember reading correctly
> Wyatt did not hit one person with that club. But
> Steven certainly made sure he used that knife on
> Wyatt 12X.

I highly doubt someone brings a weapon to a fight if they have no intention of using it.

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O.k actually knowing wyatt and his friends....Wyatt didn't back down from a fight so yeah he grabbed a club. How does that make it right to kill him? or responsible for his own death...they were out to rob him man fucking rob him this wasn't just some oh lets pass each other on the street this was thought out

rosehillhoodrat Wrote:
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> O.k actually knowing wyatt and his
> friends....Wyatt didn't back down from a fight so
> yeah he grabbed a club. How does that make it
> right to kill him? or responsible for his own
> death...

So it's OK to beat someone with a golf club, but it's another thing altogether to stab someone? Please.

As far as being responsible for his own death... Here's a list of things Wyatt could have done to avoid being stabbed that night:

1. Stay home and read a book.
2. Stay home and paint a picture.
3. Stay home and do homework.
4. Stay home and smoke the weed he had on him.
5. Stay home and play XBox with his friends.
6. Stay home and do anything other than "grab a weapon and go to a pre-arranged fight."

See what I'm getting at here?

> they were out to rob him man fucking rob
> him this wasn't just some oh lets pass each other
> on the street this was thought out

That's what the cops are for. I know it's considered chic to not call the cops because of this bullshit "no snitching" thing, but doing so could have saved his life.

http://kingstowne.patch.com/articles/alleged-murderer-of-rose-hill-teen-to-be-tried-as-adult

The night Campbell was stabbed, Taylor had been hanging out with Campbell at another friend's house, Taylor said. Afterwards, the two drove to the 7-Eleven in Rose Hill Shopping Center so Taylor could buy cigarettes for Campbell, who didn't have any identification to prove he was 18.

While they were in a car in the parking lot, Taylor said the defendant's older brother allegedly approached them and asked Campbell if he had robbed the defendant two months before.

"Did you get my little brother?" Taylor recalled the defendant's brother saying. After Campbell denied robbing the defendant, the defendant's brother punched Campbell, according to Taylor's testimony.

Taylor said at the hearing that he did not want to get in a fight in front of the store because he is on probation. Instead, he told the brothers that he and Campbell would meet them in the alley next to the 7-Eleven.

If Wyatt had robbed the Smith kid, the Smith kid should have called the cops. If Wyatt was assaulted by the older Smith brother, Wyatt should have called the cops. Both parties had every opportunity to avoid what happened, and both parties made poor choices. To say one side is completely blameless and the other side is totally at fault is stupid.

For the billionth time, I don't know anyone involved in this whole thing. But I really, really hope that the friends of those involved learned something and avoid making the same stupid decisions that get them arrested or killed. What happened to these kids happened; it doesn't need to happen to anyone else.

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Ok let's cut there all the bullshit, @Mr. Mephasito you seem to be intelligent so listen you should not always trust and believe what you read in the papers. Remember People will lie to cover their own ass. None of us were there that fateful night. So will we ever really know the truth? Doubt it. We can speculate all we want and judge by the things we read. Does not make it all true though.

lets cut the crap Wrote:
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> Ok let's cut there all the bullshit, @Mr.
> Mephasito you seem to be intelligent so listen
> you should not always trust and believe what you
> read in the papers. Remember People will lie to
> cover their own ass. None of us were there that
> fateful night. So will we ever really know the
> truth? Doubt it. We can speculate all we want and
> judge by the things we read. Does not make it all
> true though.

I am more inclined to believe the sworn testimony of someone who was there that night than someone telling me they weren't there, but I shouldn't believe the sworn testimony of someone that was.

Two people showed up with weapons to fight each other. One died and the other is in jail. I don't see what I'm missing here.

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On wait, I am wrong. Wyatt is missing from the 11+ knife wounds to his chest.

Who is guilty in this party?

I think we all know the answer.

And when a guy jumps off a bridge, let's blame the bridge. Or I know, when someone ODs on heroin, we'll blame the drugs.

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I blame the killer with the knife.

Why are so many so confused?

Oh wait, I know why. It was not your child. Plus you are a redneck with a family history of violence.

There is saying never judge a book by it's cover. Trust and Believe there was prob more that happened that night then we all know right now. As I said your relying on testimony of a person who if I believe I read right on the other thread was not so innocent in Wyatt Campbell's death. I honestly do not know anyone involved personally. I do know that things are not always what they seem. Wyatt having a little bit of weed on him if he did, does not make him a drug dealer. Most of those accusations were made on here in the other forum. More then likely by friends of The Smith Family. Let's keep in mind too that it is safe to say that all of Mr. Taylor's testimony was reported in that article. I can't speak for other people but for me I can say there were times when I was younger that if a friend was in trouble I would help. It is a instant reaction if a friend says Hey I need help your gonna help. Everyone is always going to have a difference of opinion on this cases and cases to come. It just boggles the hell out of me Why the Victim is the one put on trail, not the Murderer.

* I meant to say that NOT all of Mr. Taylor's testimony was reported in the article."

Its so amazing, but I can understand because of the grief of loosing Wyatt you all who call yourselves his friends and family are trying to project that onto Steven. That grief is most likely guilt. Guilt because if you considered yourself a friend of Wyatt you failed him. If you were Wyatt's family you failed him as well. Steven was failed by his family, I know all to well. This is the product of what happens when a stable house isn't provided. You think Wyatt cares right now what sentence Steven receives? For that matter, do you think Steven really regrets what happened to Wyatt? They were both lost and it started at home. The decision they both made led them to where they are today, this was not a random act of violence perpetrated by a serial killer. This was a typical situation for both parties involving drugs and violence that spiraled out of control, and it was only a matter of time.

Brett Smith

Mr. Smith, I have been following this case since it happened, I live in Rose Hill. Before anyone asks No, was not friends with either family. I have children though. So I am curious as I saw another person was as well with this question. Why are you now choosing to talk? This horrible crime was committed last Oct 14. Yet instead of doing what I am sure a lot of us are thinking was the right thing and Making a statement to the family of the young man your family member killed and saying " We are sorry this happened to your family" no you choose to come out and the blame well half of the blame on the victim. What are you basing your allegations of Wyatt on? Do you have proof that he was all these things you accuse him of? It seems to that in your grief for what your nephew? You still have stated how you are related to Steven Smith, that you are trying to say, that while yes he killed him, it is ok because of this type of person you claim the victim was. Steven Smith for what ever his reasons were that night set out to kill Wyatt Campbell, it does not take rocket science to see that. From reading the information made available if it is true, It was David Smith who started the fight at the 7-11. Then whatever happened around back it was Steven Smith who finished by murdering the young man. Why did he not just walk away? I just do not see your logic in this. He Steven Smith made a choice to murder that young man, it does not matter what type of person he was or was not. He did not deserve to die. If I read correctly that you said Steven has no remorse makes it that much sicker. Let's hope he gets 40 years since that is max allowed on murder 2. Personally sounds to me like it should have been murder 1.

There is a case out in Prince William where a young man was unconscious behind a 7-11 when he was murdered. This guy didn't even have a chance to defend himself. I don't know what this world is coming to. The idea that there may be people who say the victim was somehow accountable for his own death is disturbing.

I HOPE STEVEN SMITH BURNS IN HELL FOR KILLIN WYATT.
I MISS U WY<3

FUCKSTEVENSMITH Wrote:
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> I HOPE STEVEN SMITH BURNS IN HELL FOR KILLIN
> WYATT.
> I MISS U WY<3


Unfortunately for both parties, if there is a hell for Steven to burn in, you can rest assured Wyatt is already there fueling the flames. Wyatt was just as complicit in the wrong type of life that led Steven down the path he went. Both of them were lost, instead of damning Steven, or casting Wyatt in some saintly light and refusing to see the truth because of guilt and pain, figure out at what point both of them were sent down the wrong path. It's a parents responsibility to do everything they can to ensure they are producing a productive member of society, if at some point early on they fail this is the result. This is a result of parental failure, does that mean the fingers should be pointed at Steven's or Wyatt's parents, in my opinion not for any legal ramification, but in the court of public opinion and morality those are the two parties that are guilty. Broken homes, and half hearted parenting has lasting effects on our society. I will miss Steven as much as Wyatt's family will miss him, but I also have come to terms with the choices both made and the destination in earned them.

Brett Smith

Brett smith your family has a lot of hate towards wyatt and his family including his parents. We should all worry because your family has a well documented history of violence. If I were part of wyatts family I would be concerned about the level of anger and hatred towards them that you have shown in your posts. I doubt if you have helped your relatives case at all. But you probably have given wyatts family enough for legal action against you and your family. Both criminal and civil. Keep spewing your garbage.

punch those niggers in the face

all over an iPod? trivial lives

What is the race of Steven and Wyatt?

Intersted to know Wrote:
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> What is the race of Steven and Wyatt?


White

They both sucked at life. Yes, I am qualified to make such a statement, because I have managed to avoid the kind of lifestyle that led to them being killed and/or imprisoned.

For all the people defending either party: We'll see an article about you on here sooner or later.

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the only lifestyle that putforth that can be proven is the smith persons lifestyle. the victims lifestyle has not been proven, only that he was helping a lifelong friend who was being robbed. the victim hit the car not the smiths. he shold not have been murdered. i just don't buy your defense of the crime

Dupe

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Oh, how about the "we miss you wyatt" memorial which shows a minor with a 22 40 oz bottle in his hand. Great evidence for an innocent child, no?



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you are very judgemental for a cenobite. in your mind then drinking a beer while underage is enough of a reason to condemn this young man. if so then 85% of college students should be condemned for their lack of innocence also. give us a break. the smith kid was primed to murder, everybody was at risk. someone who cut him off in traffic. the school he attended if they made him angry. scary thought. my prayers are with the victims family no one deserves to be killed

Given that the photo was probably taken prior to college, yah, I think you can make certain assumptions.

Or how about the fact that after the initial fight, Wyatt came back to the scene - this time with a golf club in hand. I do not think he was there to show off his chipping skills.

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

Lashing out at those that are stating the obvious is denile pure and simple. Steven was a product of a broken home. Wyatt was on the same track, the situation could have easily been reversed, it could have been anyone on the end of Wyatt's knife. Drinking underage isn't indicative of a ruined childhood, but the fact that this is the best picture that was garnered for a memorial, that represented Wyatt at his best is. Wyatt was no saint, Wyatt was the same breed of animal Steven is. Its very unfortunate, no one wins, but to canonize Wyatt and try to villanize Steven is hypocritical. Call a spade a spade, because Wyatt and Steven were cast from the same mold and either one could have ended up behind bars or in the casket. The only sympathy I have for Steven is that he wasn't wise enough to make the right choices, likewise with Wyatt I can only empathize a little more with Steven because he is family. Had the situation been reversed my outlook would still be the same, and there would be no attempt to cast Steven in some saintly life when it's obvious that he willingly made the choices to lead the lifestyle he did. They are both gone now, and perhaps the world will be a better place as a result as callous as that sounds. The bitter truth is often harder to swallow than sweet lies.

Brett Smith

fu mephisto Wrote:
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> the only lifestyle that putforth that can be
> proven is the smith persons lifestyle. the
> victims lifestyle has not been proven,

Sure it has. His memorial picture, as PtC was kind enough to re-post, showed him proudly displaying a 40oz bottle of shitty beer. The fact that his friends or family chose that picture for his memorial speaks volumes. He clearly wasn't known for his charity work, academic achievements, or athletic ability.

Oh, and he went to drop some drugs off and pick up a weapon at his house before going to a fight. That says a lot, too.

> only that he was helping a lifelong friend who was being
> robbed.

That's what the cops are for.

> the victim hit the car not the smiths.

Because people bring weapons to fights only if they have no intention of using them.

> he shold not have been murdered. i just don't buy
> your defense of the crime

I'm not defending the crime. I'm saying that both Steven and Wyatt chose to be where they are right now.

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Brett, It's understood where you are coming from, I have read something similar being mentioned on another thread. Don't think you will get where you are trying to go, no matter how often you state that your nephew chose his path, as the same can be said for the other boy, Wyatt. It must be very hard to come to terms with your nephew's future, it sounds as if there is plenty of guilt and blame on both sides with families and friends. Somewhere along the line, family members and friends of Wyatt, will have to come to terms that he too had not been walking down the road of good judgment, either.

Wyatt's Family and Friends, I am sorry for your lost.

"There will be crosses to bare, for God makes the final judgment, "he knows" the truth in all of us". God Bless each and everyone of you.

Virginia is honestly full of the most ignorant, dumb ass people I have ever seen or heard. You are all right it is the victim's fault not the offender!! Where the hell Have I been???.... Damn I should have had a V-8!!!! ........... So ridiculous Wyatt was a murder victim, Steven Smith a Pyshcopath really do u need to compare??

" There is more to the World than Sunshine and Lollipops"

Being a murder victim does not absolve Wyatt of his complicity or responsibility considering his fate. Wyatt was just unfortunate enough to be killed, but he was no sheep. Steven is not a psychopath, he like Wyatt was a product of his environment. Steven could have just as easily been the murder victim and Wyatt the killer as they both had homicidal intent and weapons were involved with both parties.

Brett Smith

Mr. Smith, I know why you have chosen to start defending your whatever he is to you. That aside I can sling shit with the best of them, but one thing I will not sit by and listen too and Is furthur then the truth ever is a lot of what well all really about Wyatt BUT one thing you spouted tonight is NOT TRUE AT ALL , Wyatt did not or would he still ever have homicidal tendencies in his bones. I watched his as a boy once have my husband give mouth to mouth to his "brandies". You had no clue who or what he was about. Do not say that ever again because one thing I know true in my heart and very soul is that he was not in the same class as Steven Smith and was not Homicidal toward anyone ever..

Fortunately, in this country the accused is innocent until found guilty in a court of law. When and if a trial does come up, my best guess is the jury will make the decision as to guilty or innocent.

Aside from that, I personally do not feel that the parents of either kid should be blamed for this type of behavior. That is unless there is real evidence of deliberate abuse or neglect. You have to have experienced raising a child who goes crazy to understand a little of this tragic event. You drain your bank account and go a bit crazy yourself trying to help. With luck, time, health professionals, and your Higher Power whatever is wrong with the kid might be healed or under control.

However, some parents are ignorant or abusive, as we all know too well, More than a few seem to leave it to our teachers or the police to deal with the kids. I believe most parents do try their best to raise their kids to reach maturity and go on to a happier life.

This is a real tragedy that two young men ended up as they did - one, eighteen year old, dead and one fifteen year old facing a life almost as bad as death - a condemned murderer, locked up in a Virginia State Prison for what could be decades.

We in Virginia need to be sure that we are providing as much as we can to stop violence and other situations almost as bad as this. In my personal opinion we need to find effective methods to educate, motivate and help parents and children to be able to cope well in our often chaotic times.

People reading this thread already know how difficult it can be to live in the world today. Many others, perhaps the majority of people, do not know how to cope when their personal lives are being pushed around by things they do not understand or control. They either do not know how to find help, or no help is available.

Omg!!! Are people really trying to say that this kid murdered someone because " Oh My He had a fucked up Childhood". So fuckin what! Both my parents were drug addicts and never around but hell you did not see me using that as a damn crutch to excuse every fuckin mistake I ever made nor would I murder someone and say well I had a bad childhood! Grow the fuck up take the responsible route do the right thing, you killed that boy and no way in self defensive either plead gulity take your deserved punishment. As far as the victim who cares if he was nelson mandela or john gotti. He did not deserve to die 12 plus times over.. Wtf is this country coming to this story is some fucked up shit

Wyatt was a drug dealer, he did lots of drugs and so did his brother WILL, all of his friends you know he was so please STFU, i use to hang out with will and wyatt but i changed because of the things they were doing. he's dead fuck face steve smith is going to get anal rapped in jail. its life move along dumb fucks.

Whatever david smith quite hiding behinds fake names

ok fer 1 wyatt may have been pot smoker, and a drinker, hell i remember when me and him were 4 he did stupid stuff! but he was in fact a good person. drinking doesnt make you a bad person, maybe drinking and driving makes you an idiot, but none the less he didnt deserve what he got, he didnt deserve to die! Another thing, lets say there was no knife, and they just got into a fight wyatt wouldnt beat him to "death" hed mess him up pretty good but never death. wyatt had morals, he had basic princibles. but if he didnt like you, thats it case closed he didnt like you, but at the same time wyatt did stupid things, i never liked him less for it, or avoided him about it, i let him be him because whenever i got lost, or got in a problem he was a great friend and helped me, even when i moved id visit him on occasions, and he'd smile and dap me up and give me hug....i miss those days, i miss them a lot. i hadent seen him for a year because i was studing abroad and for me to find out all of a sudden what happens enrages me, and im sure all of his friends and family feel the same! i would also like to point out that wyatt actually had good grades, fucking hard to believe but he did, steven on the other hand was a loser, im sorry but he truly was! and he's the reason wyatts dead, and wyatt was loved by a lot of people...steven...steven is i guess loved by the smiths...and his courard older brother who should be charged just the same. the cambells....they were and are an actual family who takes care of each other and listens to one another....to me steven was a disaster waiting to happen and shamed the already shamed smith family. i dont wish rape on steven, thats just gay, i wish that he is shanked the same way he stabbed wyatt and bleeds a long and slow death. He took a friend, a brother, and a childhood friend from me, and anybody who feels the same will never forgive or forget. for 18 years i never could remember wyatts last name..because i always said "wyatt and will".......it just doesnt seem the same saying just will, i even catch myself saying "hey mom im going to see wyatt and will" and ill remember, and it cuts u a bit. but every week i visit the cambells i go by the memorial of wyatt and stay there for a minute remembering everything good funny and bad there was to remember which is a lot, god takes lives, not men. i have a good feeling wyatts suprised to be in heaven looking at all of his friends and family. Rest peacefully my first and oldest friend...hopefully one day ill give you a call and you'll answer it.
-kali
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I guess that is made up?

Not here-call me back? What the hell does that mean?

That is the message you get on his cell phone

How stupid is that! What are they going to do, keep his cell phone on forever?

is that his real tombstone?

If someone puts something like "Not here - Call me back" on my tombstone, I swear to God I will come back as a zombie.

Was the headstone sponsored by a Christian radio station?

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How sad. They could not come up with another tag line? I guess parents who are grieving should be given a free pass.

I was thinking he should have two golf clubs crossed in the upper right hand instead of baseball bats. Is that grass seed or maggots around the stone?

Two golf clubs or two bongs?

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> I was thinking he should have two golf clubs
> crossed in the upper right hand instead of
> baseball bats. Is that grass seed or maggots
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you are HORRIBLE!!!!

and yet, I was thinking the exact same thing....................

WTF does it matter what is on his fuckin tombstone???? As long as his family knows the meaning behind it that is all that fuckin matters. You Pin and Gordon are two jackass that if you were to drop dead tomorrow I doubt anyone would come to your funreal, you know what I think, I think you are two fuckin losers who have no girlfriends cause you too fuckin ugly, no friends, cuz who would want to hang out with two losers. I think you were jealous of Wyatt and that is why you act the way you because even in death he is more loved then you two fuckin ugly ass losers.

i guess it only really matters to his family .. ... .... .............

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> WTF does it matter what is on his fuckin
> tombstone???? As long as his family knows the
> meaning behind it that is all that fuckin matters.
> You Pin and Gordon are two jackass that if you
> were to drop dead tomorrow I doubt anyone would
> come to your funreal, you know what I think, I
> think you are two fuckin losers who have no
> girlfriends cause you too fuckin ugly, no friends,
> cuz who would want to hang out with two losers. I
> think you were jealous of Wyatt and that is why
> you act the way you because even in death he is
> more loved then you two fuckin ugly ass losers.

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lotta hate there coming outta you towards someone who simply had a THOUGHT

you really need to calm down, kid