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Sneed Hearn Wrote:
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> It's practically standing still now. They've
> dropped ropes out of the nose of the ship; and
> (uh) they've been taken ahold of down on the field
> by a number of men. It's starting to rain again;
> it's—the rain had (uh) slacked up a little bit.
> The back motors of the ship are just holding it
> (uh) just enough to keep it from— It's burst into
> flames! It burst into flames, and it's falling,
> it's crashing! Watch it! Watch it! Get out of the
> way! Get out of the way! Get this, Charlie; get
> this, Charlie! It's fire—and it's crashing! It's
> crashing terrible! Oh, my! Get out of the way,
> please! It's burning and bursting into flames; and
> the—and it's falling on the mooring-mast. And all
> the folks agree that this is terrible; this is the
> one of the worst catastrophes in the world. its
> flames... Crashing, oh! Four- or five-hundred feet
> into the sky and it—it's a terrific crash, ladies
> and gentlemen. It's smoke, and it's in flames now;
> and the frame is crashing to the ground, not quite
> to the mooring-mast. Oh, the humanity! and all the
> passengers screaming around here. I told you; it—I
> can't even talk to people Their friends are out
> there! Ah! It's—it—it's a—ah! I—I can't talk,
> ladies and gentlemen. Honest: it's just laying
> there, mass of smoking wreckage. Ah! And everybody
> can hardly breathe and talk and the screaming.
> Lady, I—I—I'm sorry. Honest: I—I can hardly
> breathe. I—I'm going to step inside, where I
> cannot see it. Charlie, that's terrible. Ah, ah;—I
> can't. Listen, folks; I—I'm gonna have to stop for
> a minute because I've lost my voice. This is the
> worst thing I've ever witnessed.
when i look at billions missing i'm not looking for one f'ing foreigner
i'm looking at all of them acting as a knowing group
yea that's an export alright !
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Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: August 23, 2007 10:10AM
PTA Embezzlement
On Wednesday, August 22 Triantafilitsa Mattfeld, 48, of 3929 Collis Oak Court, turned herself into police. She was charged with two counts of felony embezzlement. Mattfeld served as Treasurer and President of the Navy Elementary School Parent Teacher Association from 2001 to 2006. The PTA was recently re-organized and is now known as the Parent Teacher Organization. It is alleged that during her tenure she embezzled over $180,000 from the PTA. Mattfeld was transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.
"Triantafilitsa???????????????????"
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On Wednesday, August 22 Triantafilitsa Mattfeld, 48, of 3929 Collis Oak Court, turned herself into police. She was charged with two counts of felony embezzlement. Mattfeld served as Treasurer and President of the Navy Elementary School Parent Teacher Association from 2001 to 2006. The PTA was recently re-organized and is now known as the Parent Teacher Organization. It is alleged that during her tenure she embezzled over $180,000 from the PTA. Mattfeld was transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.
"Triantafilitsa???????????????????"
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: August 23, 2007 11:23AM
Lurker. Wrote:
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> PTA Embezzlement
> On Wednesday, August 22 Triantafilitsa
> Mattfeld, 48, of 3929 Collis Oak Court, turned
> herself into police. She was charged with two
> counts of felony embezzlement. Mattfeld served as
> Treasurer and President of the Navy Elementary
> School Parent Teacher Association from 2001 to
> 2006. The PTA was recently re-organized and is now
> known as the Parent Teacher Organization. It is
> alleged that during her tenure she embezzled over
> $180,000 from the PTA. Mattfeld was transported to
> the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.
>
> "Triantafilitsa???????????????????"
Frankly, I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. In fact, it probably does, but the financial controls are so loosy goosy with volunteer organizations, the theft doesn't get caught.
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> PTA Embezzlement
> On Wednesday, August 22 Triantafilitsa
> Mattfeld, 48, of 3929 Collis Oak Court, turned
> herself into police. She was charged with two
> counts of felony embezzlement. Mattfeld served as
> Treasurer and President of the Navy Elementary
> School Parent Teacher Association from 2001 to
> 2006. The PTA was recently re-organized and is now
> known as the Parent Teacher Organization. It is
> alleged that during her tenure she embezzled over
> $180,000 from the PTA. Mattfeld was transported to
> the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.
>
> "Triantafilitsa???????????????????"
Frankly, I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. In fact, it probably does, but the financial controls are so loosy goosy with volunteer organizations, the theft doesn't get caught.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Confused
()
Date: August 23, 2007 01:27PM
She has two other charges on the arrest list
"MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","044"," ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," "," ","01/04/2004","RECKLE/20 MPH OVER LIMIT "
"MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","046"," ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," "," ","04/03/2006","50-54MPH/35MPH ZONE "
But they list no address recorded? Usually that's reserved for homeless people.
"MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","044"," ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," "," ","01/04/2004","RECKLE/20 MPH OVER LIMIT "
"MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","046"," ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," "," ","04/03/2006","50-54MPH/35MPH ZONE "
But they list no address recorded? Usually that's reserved for homeless people.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
slinkeyts
()
Date: August 23, 2007 04:27PM
are you homeless?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: August 23, 2007 04:32PM
Yeah that's strange, usually it says "NO FIXED ADDRESS" Really strange the same thing two years apart?
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TRICKIE
()
Date: August 23, 2007 08:05PM
It happens all the time at schools. At the school where I taught it was a parent volunteer with the athletic booster club. Most of the time the amount is not that much and the person just is told to leave or pay back money. Often charges are filed but the person does not serve a ny time or anything.
Trickie
Trickie
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Mynamaborat
()
Date: August 23, 2007 09:21PM
lol, i went to that elementary school. Stupid place...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
trogdor!
()
Date: August 23, 2007 11:53PM
Searched for: Street: NO ADDRESS RECORDED
3609 matches found, up to first 500 displayed
Yeah that's kind of weird.
3609 matches found, up to first 500 displayed
Yeah that's kind of weird.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
wesley
()
Date: August 24, 2007 02:26PM
this woman is stupid because she got caught...
in the late 1980's the high school that I went to(in Fairfax county) had
the same thing happen, except nobody gave a #@%@#$# about it... the president
of the PTA made sure every school-related function that required catering
always go through her catering business. always overpriced... the thing that
stuck in my mind was the $20 sandwiches. It was $20 for EACH sandwich that
consisted of three slices of white toast, 2 slices of thin ham and cheese.
in the late 1980's the high school that I went to(in Fairfax county) had
the same thing happen, except nobody gave a #@%@#$# about it... the president
of the PTA made sure every school-related function that required catering
always go through her catering business. always overpriced... the thing that
stuck in my mind was the $20 sandwiches. It was $20 for EACH sandwich that
consisted of three slices of white toast, 2 slices of thin ham and cheese.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: August 24, 2007 02:30PM
wesley Wrote:
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> this woman is stupid because she got caught...
>
> in the late 1980's the high school that I went
> to(in Fairfax county) had
> the same thing happen, except nobody gave a
> #@%@#$# about it... the president
> of the PTA made sure every school-related function
> that required catering
> always go through her catering business. always
> overpriced... the thing that
> stuck in my mind was the $20 sandwiches. It was
> $20 for EACH sandwich that
> consisted of three slices of white toast, 2 slices
> of thin ham and cheese.
Welcome to FFX County. Maybe she should run for Congress, she has the same ideas.
I still can't believe she got away with stealing that large of an amount of money. Doesn't the county audit PTA's books?
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> this woman is stupid because she got caught...
>
> in the late 1980's the high school that I went
> to(in Fairfax county) had
> the same thing happen, except nobody gave a
> #@%@#$# about it... the president
> of the PTA made sure every school-related function
> that required catering
> always go through her catering business. always
> overpriced... the thing that
> stuck in my mind was the $20 sandwiches. It was
> $20 for EACH sandwich that
> consisted of three slices of white toast, 2 slices
> of thin ham and cheese.
Welcome to FFX County. Maybe she should run for Congress, she has the same ideas.
I still can't believe she got away with stealing that large of an amount of money. Doesn't the county audit PTA's books?
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
pyramids17
()
Date: August 24, 2007 05:58PM
Look at her picture in the Washington Post today. She's a real fatty!
Fatty fat fat fat fat
Fatty fat fat fat fat
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
duh
()
Date: August 24, 2007 07:21PM
Ah, the ME generation strikes again.
At least they may prosecute her, eh?...unlike the sleazebag mom that ripped off the Girl Scout cookie money, thus causing the cancellation of a trip that the kids were going to use the cookie profits for.
Thievin' motherfuckers!
At least they may prosecute her, eh?...unlike the sleazebag mom that ripped off the Girl Scout cookie money, thus causing the cancellation of a trip that the kids were going to use the cookie profits for.
Thievin' motherfuckers!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Janz
()
Date: August 24, 2007 09:28PM
I think people here should be more worried about what the HOA's are up to around here, especially when it comes to their member's money.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Employee
()
Date: August 26, 2007 09:53AM
I work in FCPS, and I am extremely bothered by this... If they were stealing from a billion-dollar corporation, I would have less anger toward them... But since the ONLY person they stole from were the CHILDREN'S FUNDS, it really pains me that his happened. Ironically her children went there the year before... Doesn't that mean she was stealing from her own children?
And I find it funny that the papers say she "turned herself in".... If someone cactches you in the act, and then you realize you can't hide anywhere, is that really "turning herself in"?
Concience = 0
And I find it funny that the papers say she "turned herself in".... If someone cactches you in the act, and then you realize you can't hide anywhere, is that really "turning herself in"?
Concience = 0
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TRICKIE
()
Date: August 26, 2007 10:11AM
Why was she still in the PTA if her kids were no longer in the school? You said her children were there the year before. At most PTA's the funds are looked at very carefully. Did no one question this large amount of money or ask to see receipts? I would love to hear from the other PTA members. Usually at most elem. PTA's the stay at home moms are always active in the PTA. And at this school, the PTA would be very active since there are a large number of stay at home moms as well as families who are very active in the childrens' school. Were they all asleep for the meetings? Was there no accounting for the budget? That amount of money is HUGE for a PTA. I cannot imagine no one questioning what happened.
Trickie
Trickie
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: August 26, 2007 11:42AM
cant we just execute her children as punishment and get it over with? stealing from kids is a horrible thing... so we repay her in kind by stealing her children from her. see, it all works out.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Bob James
()
Date: August 26, 2007 01:37PM
While I really do believe that you can't tell a book by its cover, Homeland Security officials seem to rely on a watch list of names--and, apparently, it hasn't been very effective. While the name Triantafilitsa doesn't really tell me anything--I noted your bolding (cool code for PC)--I do wonder often the cultural background of perps with "foreign" names. I think, although I'm not a sociologist, that ones culture may influence this type behavior. Likely Ms. Triantafilitsa had an unhappy childhood, was locked in a closet, etc.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
pyramids17
()
Date: August 26, 2007 05:33PM
Yeah I met this dude who embezzled 2 million dollars. Really. He was from the Barbados Islands or some tropical sounding place. He had to go to jail for 2 years and pay it all back.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
angry mom
()
Date: August 27, 2007 10:21PM
Yes, I find it fishy that other PTA members did not notice ANYTHING. WE are not talking $500 here and there. This is an extremely large amount of money for a school of 800 students over just 5 years. Does this mean she stole $36,000 per year??? that is more than a lot of teachers and parents make. This is outrageous! MAKE HER STAY IN JAIL UNTIL SHE PAYS EVERY PENNY BACK! We trusted you Litsa. How wrong we were!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: August 28, 2007 10:17AM
that means the parents must have been paying 45 dollars per kid, per year to the PTA, at a minimum. Thats a alo of money straight from my pocket to hers.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Shocked
()
Date: August 28, 2007 10:43AM
I am shocked by what Litza has done. Both my kids attended Navy, my youngest from kindergarten through 6th grade. I would never have thought that she or anyone would do something like this. I want to keep thinking there was a logical reason and desperation. But that amount of time and money was certainly calculated. I am sure some of my funds went into her pocket. I am surprised that I haven't heard from Navy in any way. Shouldn't they be contacting the parents that helped fund Litsa pocket?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Tammy Goldstien
()
Date: August 28, 2007 05:27PM
I worked with Litsa 15 years ago at an Association in Washington DC. She was fired for embezzlement as there as well (about $100,000). I assumed she had a felony record... I guess the PTA did not check into her past...
She is obviously a serial embezzler... cannot help herself. I am not at all surprised. I hope this is the last time...
She is obviously a serial embezzler... cannot help herself. I am not at all surprised. I hope this is the last time...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
wow mom!
()
Date: August 28, 2007 08:19PM
I am curious what trade association? You are the first to surface this informaton! Was she convicted? Or did the association just fire her? What was her job? We have so many questions for you. I am not a reporter, so a curious mom.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
concerned parent
()
Date: August 28, 2007 08:34PM
Yikes! I guess she wedged herself into the Navy PTA to embezzle funds to pay restitution to her old job! Where are the checks and balances? Why would one person have so much power to sneak this much money out of the organization? Didn't anyone audit the books?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: August 28, 2007 09:01PM
angry mom Wrote:
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> MAKE HER STAY IN
> JAIL UNTIL SHE PAYS EVERY PENNY BACK!
LOL! how will she be able to pay the money back if she is in jail? we could just execute her and auction all her possessions take all her money. though, it would probably still work without executing her but where is the fun in that?
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> MAKE HER STAY IN
> JAIL UNTIL SHE PAYS EVERY PENNY BACK!
LOL! how will she be able to pay the money back if she is in jail? we could just execute her and auction all her possessions take all her money. though, it would probably still work without executing her but where is the fun in that?
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Ship Wreck
()
Date: August 28, 2007 09:10PM
Pay back? Mrs. M has never had a job. If Tammy G. is correct, Mrs. M will need to find another association/school/girl scout/boy scout/hoa to suck the life out of to pay Navy back!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Annva
()
Date: August 29, 2007 12:51PM
concerned parent Wrote:
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> Yikes! I guess she wedged herself into the Navy
> PTA to embezzle funds to pay restitution to her
> old job! Where are the checks and balances? Why
> would one person have so much power to sneak this
> much money out of the organization? Didn't anyone
> audit the books?
Exactly -- 5 years seems like a long tenure as President and/or Treasurer. Our PTO has By-laws that prevent one person for serving more than 2 years consecutively in one position. Also, the finances are reviewed and discussed at every monthly board meeting and a yearly audit is done.
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> Yikes! I guess she wedged herself into the Navy
> PTA to embezzle funds to pay restitution to her
> old job! Where are the checks and balances? Why
> would one person have so much power to sneak this
> much money out of the organization? Didn't anyone
> audit the books?
Exactly -- 5 years seems like a long tenure as President and/or Treasurer. Our PTO has By-laws that prevent one person for serving more than 2 years consecutively in one position. Also, the finances are reviewed and discussed at every monthly board meeting and a yearly audit is done.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
angered
()
Date: August 29, 2007 02:32PM
Do you have children of your own? Would you want your children executed for something you did? Why should her children be executed for her mistakes. They are innocent so keep them out of it. I am sure they will have their own battles to fight when they go back to school thanks to their mom. People should really think before they open their mouths-this is about her not her kids.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: August 29, 2007 03:19PM
I agree with Gravis. Executing the kids would send a clear message.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
joe
()
Date: August 29, 2007 07:13PM
It's what I call a late term abortion. :P
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
mom
()
Date: August 29, 2007 08:43PM
Real mature!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
curious
()
Date: August 29, 2007 08:47PM
How do you know all this info. Tell us more please. How could she have done this before and gotten away with it?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TRICKIE
()
Date: August 29, 2007 10:08PM
Uh, why does the embezzler have such a weird name???
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
hmm
()
Date: August 29, 2007 10:27PM
Yeah, looking at her mug shot I would guess Dairy Queen and McDonalds got most of those bucks.
Not knowing much about this fat blob I will hazard a guess she spent it gambling at Charles Town or AC. Be tough to go through all that money without some kind of addiction.
Not knowing much about this fat blob I will hazard a guess she spent it gambling at Charles Town or AC. Be tough to go through all that money without some kind of addiction.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: August 30, 2007 06:41AM
Dairy Queen and McDonalds got most of those bucks.
LOL, Titanicfilitsa
LOL, Titanicfilitsa
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WhPayne
()
Date: August 30, 2007 12:40PM
I can confirm the information that Tammy Goldstein posted. Litsa, the name she goes by, has done this before. (By the way, the name is Greek) She stole almost $100,000 from a previous employer. Apparently the employer got the money back from their business insurance and the insurance company went after her. Not sure why there is no record of this.
Litsa is a very, very smart and manipulative person. Too bad she chooses to steal instead of applying herself in some way of making an honest living.
Litsa is a very, very smart and manipulative person. Too bad she chooses to steal instead of applying herself in some way of making an honest living.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: August 30, 2007 12:46PM
So I guess we can assume she runs multiple fraud operations... I hope they investigate all of her financial records and her computers.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Bob James
()
Date: August 30, 2007 01:32PM
Be aware when Greeks come bearing gifts.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Tammy Goldstein
()
Date: August 30, 2007 02:07PM
I know because she was my boss at the Trade Association in Washington. She was there from 1988-1992ish. She was the Manager of Meetings and Expositions and Membership. It was a very job, she had quite a bit of clout. Example of what she did... We would have a meeting of 500 people at the Waldorf Astoria in NYC...as the Manager of Meetings she would go to the hotel and ask for $1000 for tip money or whaever.... As the contact she would never be questioned by the hotel and as the person in our organization who had complete control over the bill she would bury it somewhere never to be found by auditors...internal finance dept... it was a brilliant scheme...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
navy ship wreck
()
Date: August 30, 2007 02:31PM
Thank you Tammy. Some still believe this is all a big mistake and she is innocent. Information WILL be passed on the appropriate authorities for research and confirmation. Second offense will not help her case. Jail time would be justice! Since paying the money back & getting a job is out of the question for Litsa.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Tammy Goldstein
()
Date: August 30, 2007 03:30PM
Good luck to all of you that were affected by this, I am so disturbed by the fact that it happened again and it makes it worse that it was her PTA....families, children that she knew personally... As WHPayne mentioned, the insurance company took our case over... she may have also paid some of it back so perhaps charges were dropped? The name of the association she worked for was SOCMA.
The auditors were finally able to track the $100,000 but there are probably tens of thousands of dollars that were never accounted for because she abused the system in many other ways (gave herself lots of perks...).
The auditors were finally able to track the $100,000 but there are probably tens of thousands of dollars that were never accounted for because she abused the system in many other ways (gave herself lots of perks...).
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
cw
()
Date: August 30, 2007 04:38PM
Tammy, any idea what this blimp was doing with the money? I would guess gambling but nothing else comes to mind in the 100k range.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Ship Wreck
()
Date: August 30, 2007 09:14PM
That is the $280,000 question. Where did the money go? Tammy thank you so much for the info. Anyone else with info. Please post!!!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
NEWS
()
Date: August 31, 2007 12:12AM
You would think if someone was stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars from students, they could afford not to eat the fattening school food, which it looks like she ate every day. With the amount of money she earned, she should have hired a personal chef! Salads people!
How will she look parents, teachers, and students in the eyes and tell them she stole money going towards their good? We are talking books, computers, field trips, and more that she scammed this school out of. And didn't someone say her own kids don't go there anymore? Most parents step down from a school PTA when their kids don't go there.
How will she look parents, teachers, and students in the eyes and tell them she stole money going towards their good? We are talking books, computers, field trips, and more that she scammed this school out of. And didn't someone say her own kids don't go there anymore? Most parents step down from a school PTA when their kids don't go there.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: August 31, 2007 01:54AM
so... when do we get to execute her family? :)
afterwards we could force her to be a permanent resident on The Real World[sic] and know she will writhe in pain!
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
afterwards we could force her to be a permanent resident on The Real World[sic] and know she will writhe in pain!
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Original Whistleblower
()
Date: August 31, 2007 09:40AM
I will also confirm the information Tammy has posted. Litsa was, and apparently still is, incredibly manipulative and smart. Her actions from years ago caused a great deal of pain and stress and it is incredibly sad to see it happen again. Good luck to you all in the pursuit of justice, may she finally get what she deserves. (Side note to Tammy - thank you for sharing the historic info - I was a bit afraid to open old wounds.)
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
navy community
()
Date: August 31, 2007 10:39AM
We may have been stupid and trusting, NOW we hope to put Mrs. Mattfeld in jail. Not just a PTA going after the former president but a community that is pissed! And Litsa if you are are reading this....GOOD! You can hide, but you can't run. Other organizations besides WDC trade/NAVY Pta are stepping forward.... Bring on the info. Pls feel free to post. We need everything we can get our hands on....
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Old Navy
()
Date: August 31, 2007 02:04PM
She can be still at it. She's got positions with Chantilly Youth Association (CYA) and Chantilly High School Booster Club as well. I hope these groups are taking a look.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: August 31, 2007 03:09PM
Well we know how she gets her money, joining community groups and ripping them off. Somebody said she was smart??? I would have to guess she has a lot of experience at what she does, not smart.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
G-Man
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Date: August 31, 2007 03:20PM
Wow, who ever it was that called her a blimp was right. You turn the picture on its side and she DOES look like a blimp!!!
EoM
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
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Date: August 31, 2007 04:07PM
Maybe she uses disguises to get away with stuff? Anybody recognize her now?
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TheMeeper
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Date: August 31, 2007 05:20PM
You turn the picture on its side and she DOES look like a blimp!!!
LOL.... OH THE HUMANITY!!!
LOL.... OH THE HUMANITY!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: August 31, 2007 05:35PM
Old Navy Wrote:
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> She can be still at it. She's got positions with
> Chantilly Youth Association (CYA) and Chantilly
> High School Booster Club as well. I hope these
> groups are taking a look.
holy crap! she has NO shame. i do not believe there is any hope of recovery from her criminal ways. fyi, this level of monetary theft is a serious felony. i only wish Vlad Dracula aka Vlad the Impaler was alive and was handing out sentencing.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> She can be still at it. She's got positions with
> Chantilly Youth Association (CYA) and Chantilly
> High School Booster Club as well. I hope these
> groups are taking a look.
holy crap! she has NO shame. i do not believe there is any hope of recovery from her criminal ways. fyi, this level of monetary theft is a serious felony. i only wish Vlad Dracula aka Vlad the Impaler was alive and was handing out sentencing.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
G-Man
()
Date: August 31, 2007 06:15PM
Lurker. Wrote:
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> Maybe she uses disguises to get away with stuff?
> Anybody recognize her now?
OMG thats the guy that raped me last night!!!
EoM
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> Maybe she uses disguises to get away with stuff?
> Anybody recognize her now?
OMG thats the guy that raped me last night!!!
EoM
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Hate Stupid People
()
Date: August 31, 2007 09:16PM
What does her weight have to do with what she has done?? I guess people are just plan cruel and have to bring up what she looks like when that has nothing to do with the case! Get a life!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TheMeeper
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Date: August 31, 2007 09:19PM
What does her weight have to do with what she has done??
Well, she wasn't spending all that stolen cash on Jenny Craig now was she?
Well, she wasn't spending all that stolen cash on Jenny Craig now was she?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
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Date: August 31, 2007 09:59PM
LOl. No, maybe on Mcdonalds every day. She coulda got a lotta big macs with that cash.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TheMeeper
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Date: August 31, 2007 10:04PM
Giganticfilitsa
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Ronald Mexico
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Date: August 31, 2007 10:08PM
She doesn't look jolly. I thought fat people were supposed to be jolly. Have fun in prison getting raped by Lakisha and Shaniqua.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: August 31, 2007 10:15PM
Ronald Mexico
Haha great screen name, you should register it.
Haha great screen name, you should register it.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Job Beams
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Date: August 31, 2007 10:18PM
Is this fine lady in the slammer? What was the disposition of her case? What an insidious scam! Taking from kids. What did she do with the $$$?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TRICKIE
()
Date: September 01, 2007 12:24AM
Yes she is unfortunate looking but why doesn't someone stop her from handling money in these organizations. I bet she doesn't even work now since she just embezzles cash for a living.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Andrea
()
Date: September 01, 2007 11:38PM
Gravis Wrote:
afterwards we could force her to be a permanent
resident on The Real World and know she will
writhe in pain!
I dont know how well that would work out, she would probably eat them too.
afterwards we could force her to be a permanent
resident on The Real World and know she will
writhe in pain!
I dont know how well that would work out, she would probably eat them too.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
NAVY
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Date: September 02, 2007 02:17PM
Do her children still attend Navy Elementary? If so, I really wonder how they are being treated. They have done nothing wrong but you know how some people are.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
P.S.
()
Date: September 02, 2007 03:29PM
Yeah her kids are the ones wearing designer clothes and riding a limo to school and not the big yellow.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Angered
()
Date: September 02, 2007 05:45PM
No, her kiddos don't got to Navy anymore. They are in middle school and high school at this point. I do feel for them cause you are right...we know how some people are...just read some of the postings people have put!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: September 02, 2007 06:27PM
Lurker. Wrote:
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> Maybe she uses disguises to get away with stuff?
> Anybody recognize her now?
Why is it always some fat-ass behind this kind of thing? I bet she thought she was pretty clever, too.
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> Maybe she uses disguises to get away with stuff?
> Anybody recognize her now?
Why is it always some fat-ass behind this kind of thing? I bet she thought she was pretty clever, too.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
pyramids17
()
Date: September 02, 2007 06:52PM
navy community Wrote:
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> And Litsa if you are are reading
> this....GOOD! You can hide, but you can't run.
Blimps can't hide. Nor do they run.
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> And Litsa if you are are reading
> this....GOOD! You can hide, but you can't run.
Blimps can't hide. Nor do they run.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Disgusted
()
Date: September 02, 2007 09:33PM
She is out and about at the Chantilly High School football game and still enjoying her self. I would be hiding in my house or far far away from here if I was her! Is she clueless?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
ya
()
Date: September 03, 2007 12:05AM
Disgusted Wrote:
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> She is out and about at the Chantilly High School
> football game and still enjoying her self. I
> would be hiding in my house or far far away from
> here if I was her! Is she clueless?
Well, on the other hand your kind of a freak that spies on her, so I am kind of worried about people like you. Freak.
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> She is out and about at the Chantilly High School
> football game and still enjoying her self. I
> would be hiding in my house or far far away from
> here if I was her! Is she clueless?
Well, on the other hand your kind of a freak that spies on her, so I am kind of worried about people like you. Freak.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Huh
()
Date: September 03, 2007 07:42AM
Maybe they are just enjoying a community event in the Chantilly football game, and happened to see the thief. Not like she would be hard to miss, front and center at the concession stand.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy
()
Date: September 03, 2007 10:09AM
She still has a group of parents "snowed". They believe she is the innocent victim. Too bad they are out in public prancing around with her. Better hold on to their wallets. She is going to need legal services and someone to fill the void of Navy's money.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WOW mom
()
Date: September 03, 2007 11:55AM
I disagree with stalking. Not like she was at the grocery store or dry cleaners but at Chantilly high school where everyone will see. Kind of in your face making a statement.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
fcresident
()
Date: September 03, 2007 12:23PM
Gravis Wrote:
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> cant we just execute her children as punishment
> and get it over with? stealing from kids is a
> horrible thing... so we repay her in kind by
> stealing her children from her. see, it all works
> out.
People who say things like this are sick. Her children have nothing to do with the situation, I think that they should be left out of it. I cant believe that people could say such horrible things, it makes you wonder about some of the people in the community. You also shouldn't take personal shots at Litsa Mattfeld, even though what she did was wrong. We have all done wrong, and have made mistakes and selfish decisions at some time in our lives. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Unless you yourself have never done anything wrong, you cant call her the scum of the earth. Let the legal process play out, and justice will be served in the end.
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> cant we just execute her children as punishment
> and get it over with? stealing from kids is a
> horrible thing... so we repay her in kind by
> stealing her children from her. see, it all works
> out.
People who say things like this are sick. Her children have nothing to do with the situation, I think that they should be left out of it. I cant believe that people could say such horrible things, it makes you wonder about some of the people in the community. You also shouldn't take personal shots at Litsa Mattfeld, even though what she did was wrong. We have all done wrong, and have made mistakes and selfish decisions at some time in our lives. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Unless you yourself have never done anything wrong, you cant call her the scum of the earth. Let the legal process play out, and justice will be served in the end.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
s
()
Date: September 03, 2007 12:29PM
Ronald Mexico Wrote:
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> She doesn't look jolly. I thought fat people were
> supposed to be jolly. Have fun in prison getting
> raped by Lakisha and Shaniqua
People always have to use stereotypes to classify people. I have seen many comments talking about her size and her race. The fact of the matter is that any person could have done this. This goes on more than you think, so people shouldn't be so naive to think that she is the only one. Its a shame that people would make racist comments. I guess online people show their true colors.
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> She doesn't look jolly. I thought fat people were
> supposed to be jolly. Have fun in prison getting
> raped by Lakisha and Shaniqua
People always have to use stereotypes to classify people. I have seen many comments talking about her size and her race. The fact of the matter is that any person could have done this. This goes on more than you think, so people shouldn't be so naive to think that she is the only one. Its a shame that people would make racist comments. I guess online people show their true colors.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
duh
()
Date: September 03, 2007 12:33PM
Greeks are a race now?
And yeah, we've all done wrong and made "mistakes"...I ate 2 grapes at the Giant the other day. But ripping off 180 grand (from kids, no less) is no mistake...it's a felony!
And yeah, we've all done wrong and made "mistakes"...I ate 2 grapes at the Giant the other day. But ripping off 180 grand (from kids, no less) is no mistake...it's a felony!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
d
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Date: September 03, 2007 02:02PM
duh Wrote:
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> Greeks are a race now?
>
>
> And yeah, we've all done wrong and made
> "mistakes"...I ate 2 grapes at the Giant the other
> day. But ripping off 180 grand (from kids, no
> less) is no mistake...it's a felony!
I was responding to a comment that somebody had made about greeks, and yes, greek is an ethnic group. Also I want to remind you that she has not yet been convicted, many people don't know much else than what they heard on the news. If she is convicted she should go to jail and face consequences, but don't act like the worst thing that you ever did was eat two grapes at a giant.
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> Greeks are a race now?
>
>
> And yeah, we've all done wrong and made
> "mistakes"...I ate 2 grapes at the Giant the other
> day. But ripping off 180 grand (from kids, no
> less) is no mistake...it's a felony!
I was responding to a comment that somebody had made about greeks, and yes, greek is an ethnic group. Also I want to remind you that she has not yet been convicted, many people don't know much else than what they heard on the news. If she is convicted she should go to jail and face consequences, but don't act like the worst thing that you ever did was eat two grapes at a giant.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
pyramids17
()
Date: September 03, 2007 02:29PM
fcresident Wrote:
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> you cant call her the
> scum of the earth.
She's the scum of the earth. Shazam.
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> you cant call her the
> scum of the earth.
She's the scum of the earth. Shazam.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
duh
()
Date: September 03, 2007 02:34PM
d Wrote:
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> duh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Greeks are a race now?
> >
> >
> > And yeah, we've all done wrong and made
> > "mistakes"...I ate 2 grapes at the Giant the
> other
> > day. But ripping off 180 grand (from kids, no
> > less) is no mistake...it's a felony!
>
>
> I was responding to a comment that somebody had
> made about greeks, and yes, greek is an ethnic
> group. Also I want to remind you that she has not
> yet been convicted, many people don't know much
> else than what they heard on the news. If she is
> convicted she should go to jail and face
> consequences, but don't act like the worst thing
> that you ever did was eat two grapes at a giant.
Oh OK...you said race when you meant ethicity.
Just don't lump Grand Larceny in with the minor transgressions that everyone has committed at one time or another. I dare say most people have never ripped off 180 grand!
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> duh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Greeks are a race now?
> >
> >
> > And yeah, we've all done wrong and made
> > "mistakes"...I ate 2 grapes at the Giant the
> other
> > day. But ripping off 180 grand (from kids, no
> > less) is no mistake...it's a felony!
>
>
> I was responding to a comment that somebody had
> made about greeks, and yes, greek is an ethnic
> group. Also I want to remind you that she has not
> yet been convicted, many people don't know much
> else than what they heard on the news. If she is
> convicted she should go to jail and face
> consequences, but don't act like the worst thing
> that you ever did was eat two grapes at a giant.
Oh OK...you said race when you meant ethicity.
Just don't lump Grand Larceny in with the minor transgressions that everyone has committed at one time or another. I dare say most people have never ripped off 180 grand!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: September 03, 2007 02:41PM
Navy Wrote:
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> She still has a group of parents "snowed". They
> believe she is the innocent victim. Too bad they
> are out in public prancing around with her.
> Better hold on to their wallets. She is going to
> need legal services and someone to fill the void
> of Navy's money.
Can I guess that those parents share her life style.
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> She still has a group of parents "snowed". They
> believe she is the innocent victim. Too bad they
> are out in public prancing around with her.
> Better hold on to their wallets. She is going to
> need legal services and someone to fill the void
> of Navy's money.
Can I guess that those parents share her life style.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
NAVY
()
Date: September 03, 2007 05:01PM
Why should we give her the benefit of the doubt? It's rare that the first time someone does an illegal act, they are caught. When someone gets caught speeding, I really doubt it was the first time they ever went over the speed limit.
Someone in this thread said she worked for Chantilly High and the Chantilly Youth Association. Who's to say she hasn't done anything wrong while working with them? Hell, someone in this thread said she stole from her old employer. THAT is scum. Why can't she just get a regular job? Do we really think she cares about the finances of Navy Elementary when her kids dont go there anymore? No, she is selfish and wanted to take all the money she could.
Someone in this thread said she worked for Chantilly High and the Chantilly Youth Association. Who's to say she hasn't done anything wrong while working with them? Hell, someone in this thread said she stole from her old employer. THAT is scum. Why can't she just get a regular job? Do we really think she cares about the finances of Navy Elementary when her kids dont go there anymore? No, she is selfish and wanted to take all the money she could.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Too???
()
Date: September 03, 2007 06:59PM
I would love to hear from the other volunteer organizations? CYA, Chantilly High, Fair Oaks/Woods Pool Swim Team. So all these organizations and she only touched Navy? Or will they keep quite? I hope they have enough courage to contact the police. I agree scum! Calculated, manipulative,
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
up2late
()
Date: September 04, 2007 01:21AM
I was going to chime in with my 2 cents worth of commentary...but she stole those, too!
Beeooottccchhh!
Beeooottccchhh!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy parent
()
Date: September 04, 2007 10:12AM
I would say that most of us at Navy agree with the people from the DC association whom she embezzled from.---Litsa is a very smart individual whom we NOW know is manipulative, as well. She's not a one dimensional person. None of us is. She had great "people skills" in her role at Navy and was often really good at getting and giving extremely helpful information to help things run well. It is so sad, as people have mentioned, that she has chosen to use her skills to rob her friends and their children. She also brought up two very nice, bright kids during her crime sprees over a decade and a half. Hopefully, they will be able to weather the storm their mother has placed them in the middle of. Witnesses lie, alibis turn out to be true or false, but documents tell a story. The paper trail that Litsa has left is damning enough for the police to have brought these charges. (I also want to thank the people whose trust she formerly broke for coming forward.) Litsa is naturally claiming innocent and trying to maintain that front in public at the present. That's what you do before you ultimately plea bargain. Whatever race or creed, she deserves a good, long sentence, and her children deserve our compassion.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Unbiased Observer
()
Date: September 04, 2007 03:38PM
Well said. Innocent until proven guilty. Whether Greek or Greek Orthodox, there's likely no relationship. If guilty, deport her to Greece.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: September 04, 2007 05:08PM
She's not a one dimensional person.
O RLY??
Pretty fuckin far from one-dimensional based on some of those pics I saw.
O RLY??
Pretty fuckin far from one-dimensional based on some of those pics I saw.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Parent
()
Date: September 04, 2007 05:18PM
Ah,...no. Deporting Litsa Mattfeld to Greece would make as much sense as deporting me to Scotland if I had embezzled some money...She's an American...Where does all this stuff come from? The fact that Litsa is of Greek heritage is as important to Navy parents as is her hair color: Is she a brunette, blonde, or redhead?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: September 04, 2007 05:41PM
>She had great "people skills" in her role at Navy and was often really good at >getting and giving extremely helpful information to help things run well.
Yup, most Con's are.
Yup, most Con's are.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
navy parent
()
Date: September 04, 2007 05:44PM
You gotta love the internet... Everybody gets to have their say. I'm leaving this site now, glad to have gotten some insight into this story from the people who formerly worked with Litsa, etc., and glad to have been able to write something, myself. The crazies have taken over. They're the ones who obviously sit at their computer terminals in their spare time and take shots, irrespective of the story. I guess it's nice that they have some outlet. Maybe it keeps the crime rate down or something. Peace.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: September 04, 2007 09:04PM
fcresident Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > cant we just execute her children as punishment
> > and get it over with? stealing from kids is a
> > horrible thing... so we repay her in kind by
> > stealing her children from her. see, it all
> works
> > out.
>
> People who say things like this are sick. Her
> children have nothing to do with the situation, I
> think that they should be left out of it.
ive changed my mind, im gonna eat her children and get a stupid tattoo on my head. it's called a joke, bitch.
> I cant
> believe that people could say such horrible
> things, it makes you wonder about some of the
> people in the community.
oh, you mean like people that rip off money that was for school children?
> You also shouldn't take
> personal shots at Litsa Mattfeld, even though what
> she did was wrong.
let's make a deal, im allowed to make an insult for every dollar she stole and EVERYONE can insult me for every dollar ive stolen. oh wait... i have never stolen money from anyone, much less school children. hmm... only 179,995 insults left... oh what to do.
> We have all done wrong, and
> have made mistakes and selfish decisions at some
> time in our lives.
mistakes are not made intentionally, this was VERY intentional. no, this was not selfish. selfish is when you take the last snack when someone said they wanted one and hadnt gotten one. selfish is when you race to a parking spot before someone else gets it. selfish is when you ask "well, what do i get out of it?" this is more than selfish, so much so that there isnt a word for it. the closest one can get is saying it's criminal.
> Those who live in glass houses
> shouldn't throw stones.
who in the hell lives in a glass house? and what if it were Plexiglas?
> Unless you yourself have
> never done anything wrong, you cant call her the
> scum of the earth.
the first amendment says otherwise.
> Let the legal process play out,
> and justice will be served in the end.
ha! you clearly dont know jack shit about the "justice" system. oh... and did OJ ever find the "real killers". perhaps Rodney King just tripped and was pulled behind the cop car. you are so naive.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > cant we just execute her children as punishment
> > and get it over with? stealing from kids is a
> > horrible thing... so we repay her in kind by
> > stealing her children from her. see, it all
> works
> > out.
>
> People who say things like this are sick. Her
> children have nothing to do with the situation, I
> think that they should be left out of it.
ive changed my mind, im gonna eat her children and get a stupid tattoo on my head. it's called a joke, bitch.
> I cant
> believe that people could say such horrible
> things, it makes you wonder about some of the
> people in the community.
oh, you mean like people that rip off money that was for school children?
> You also shouldn't take
> personal shots at Litsa Mattfeld, even though what
> she did was wrong.
let's make a deal, im allowed to make an insult for every dollar she stole and EVERYONE can insult me for every dollar ive stolen. oh wait... i have never stolen money from anyone, much less school children. hmm... only 179,995 insults left... oh what to do.
> We have all done wrong, and
> have made mistakes and selfish decisions at some
> time in our lives.
mistakes are not made intentionally, this was VERY intentional. no, this was not selfish. selfish is when you take the last snack when someone said they wanted one and hadnt gotten one. selfish is when you race to a parking spot before someone else gets it. selfish is when you ask "well, what do i get out of it?" this is more than selfish, so much so that there isnt a word for it. the closest one can get is saying it's criminal.
> Those who live in glass houses
> shouldn't throw stones.
who in the hell lives in a glass house? and what if it were Plexiglas?
> Unless you yourself have
> never done anything wrong, you cant call her the
> scum of the earth.
the first amendment says otherwise.
> Let the legal process play out,
> and justice will be served in the end.
ha! you clearly dont know jack shit about the "justice" system. oh... and did OJ ever find the "real killers". perhaps Rodney King just tripped and was pulled behind the cop car. you are so naive.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
d
()
Date: September 04, 2007 10:36PM
Gravis Wrote:
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> fcresident Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gravis Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > cant we just execute her children as
> punishment
> > > and get it over with? stealing from kids is
> a
> > > horrible thing... so we repay her in kind by
> > > stealing her children from her. see, it all
> > works
> > > out.
> >
> > People who say things like this are sick. Her
> > children have nothing to do with the situation,
> I
> > think that they should be left out of it.
>
> ive changed my mind, im gonna eat her children and
> get a stupid tattoo on my head. it's called a
> joke, bitch.
I dont care if it is a joke its disgusting. How would you like somebody to "joke" about killing your children. Those are fighting words.
>
> > I cant
> > believe that people could say such horrible
> > things, it makes you wonder about some of the
> > people in the community.
>
> oh, you mean like people that rip off money that
> was for school children?
Yes, and also people that make sick jokes about wishing death on children.
>
> > You also shouldn't take
> > personal shots at Litsa Mattfeld, even though
> what
> > she did was wrong.
>
> let's make a deal, im allowed to make an insult
> for every dollar she stole and EVERYONE can insult
> me for every dollar ive stolen. oh wait... i have
> never stolen money from anyone, much less school
> children. hmm... only 179,995 insults left... oh
> what to do.
It doesn't matter what she did, calling her a blimp is unnecessary. How would you like us to say nasty insults to you if you screwed up?
> > We have all done wrong, and
> > have made mistakes and selfish decisions at
> some
> > time in our lives.
>
> mistakes are not made intentionally, this was VERY
> intentional. no, this was not selfish. selfish
> is when you take the last snack when someone said
> they wanted one and hadnt gotten one. selfish is
> when you race to a parking spot before someone
> else gets it. selfish is when you ask "well, what
> do i get out of it?" this is more than selfish,
> so much so that there isnt a word for it. the
> closest one can get is saying it's criminal.
She was probably tempted by the money, and started out taking a little bit and through the years it all added up. If she did it it is criminal, and mistakes can be made intentionally (it was a mistake to elect bush, but america did it intentionally, it was a mistake to smoke cigarettes, but people still do it knowing the detriments to your health).
>
> > Those who live in glass houses
> > shouldn't throw stones.
>
> who in the hell lives in a glass house? and what
> if it were Plexiglas?
Obviously you are ignorant of the saying. It is not meant literally.
>
> > Unless you yourself have
> > never done anything wrong, you cant call her
> the
> > scum of the earth.
>
> the first amendment says otherwise.
the first amendment only applies to a certain extent. Don Imus called the Rutgers Basketball team nappy headed hos, but that doesn't mean that he still cant be sued for slander.
>
> > Let the legal process play out,
> > and justice will be served in the end.
>
> ha! you clearly don't know jack shit about the
> "justice" system. oh... and did OJ ever find the
> "real killers". perhaps Rodney King just tripped
> and was pulled behind the cop car. you are so
> naive.
I know that the justice system has its flaws, believe me. But you are making either the correct or incorrect judgment based on another humans words. But if things are as obvious as you would assert, then there should be no problem.
I am not defending the alleged actions of Mrs. Mattfeld, but I am calling the people who take personal shots at her and her family low class. Also, you can keep hiding behind your little computer, because I doubt you would ever have the nuts to call me a bitch to my face.
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> fcresident Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gravis Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > cant we just execute her children as
> punishment
> > > and get it over with? stealing from kids is
> a
> > > horrible thing... so we repay her in kind by
> > > stealing her children from her. see, it all
> > works
> > > out.
> >
> > People who say things like this are sick. Her
> > children have nothing to do with the situation,
> I
> > think that they should be left out of it.
>
> ive changed my mind, im gonna eat her children and
> get a stupid tattoo on my head. it's called a
> joke, bitch.
I dont care if it is a joke its disgusting. How would you like somebody to "joke" about killing your children. Those are fighting words.
>
> > I cant
> > believe that people could say such horrible
> > things, it makes you wonder about some of the
> > people in the community.
>
> oh, you mean like people that rip off money that
> was for school children?
Yes, and also people that make sick jokes about wishing death on children.
>
> > You also shouldn't take
> > personal shots at Litsa Mattfeld, even though
> what
> > she did was wrong.
>
> let's make a deal, im allowed to make an insult
> for every dollar she stole and EVERYONE can insult
> me for every dollar ive stolen. oh wait... i have
> never stolen money from anyone, much less school
> children. hmm... only 179,995 insults left... oh
> what to do.
It doesn't matter what she did, calling her a blimp is unnecessary. How would you like us to say nasty insults to you if you screwed up?
> > We have all done wrong, and
> > have made mistakes and selfish decisions at
> some
> > time in our lives.
>
> mistakes are not made intentionally, this was VERY
> intentional. no, this was not selfish. selfish
> is when you take the last snack when someone said
> they wanted one and hadnt gotten one. selfish is
> when you race to a parking spot before someone
> else gets it. selfish is when you ask "well, what
> do i get out of it?" this is more than selfish,
> so much so that there isnt a word for it. the
> closest one can get is saying it's criminal.
She was probably tempted by the money, and started out taking a little bit and through the years it all added up. If she did it it is criminal, and mistakes can be made intentionally (it was a mistake to elect bush, but america did it intentionally, it was a mistake to smoke cigarettes, but people still do it knowing the detriments to your health).
>
> > Those who live in glass houses
> > shouldn't throw stones.
>
> who in the hell lives in a glass house? and what
> if it were Plexiglas?
Obviously you are ignorant of the saying. It is not meant literally.
>
> > Unless you yourself have
> > never done anything wrong, you cant call her
> the
> > scum of the earth.
>
> the first amendment says otherwise.
the first amendment only applies to a certain extent. Don Imus called the Rutgers Basketball team nappy headed hos, but that doesn't mean that he still cant be sued for slander.
>
> > Let the legal process play out,
> > and justice will be served in the end.
>
> ha! you clearly don't know jack shit about the
> "justice" system. oh... and did OJ ever find the
> "real killers". perhaps Rodney King just tripped
> and was pulled behind the cop car. you are so
> naive.
I know that the justice system has its flaws, believe me. But you are making either the correct or incorrect judgment based on another humans words. But if things are as obvious as you would assert, then there should be no problem.
I am not defending the alleged actions of Mrs. Mattfeld, but I am calling the people who take personal shots at her and her family low class. Also, you can keep hiding behind your little computer, because I doubt you would ever have the nuts to call me a bitch to my face.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former Navy mom
()
Date: September 05, 2007 01:40PM
"Witnesses lie, alibis turn out to be true or false, but documents tell a story."
what documents are you refering to? PTA documents??
I thought the bank notified the police.
"(I also want to thank the people whose trust she formerly broke for coming forward.) "
who has come foward? former members of the PTA?
how could active members of the PTA board not have seen that $180,000 was missing???
" her children deserve our compassion."
of course her children deserve compassion, they've done nothing wrong.
will the navy PTO discuss this debacle at the first meeting?
what documents are you refering to? PTA documents??
I thought the bank notified the police.
"(I also want to thank the people whose trust she formerly broke for coming forward.) "
who has come foward? former members of the PTA?
how could active members of the PTA board not have seen that $180,000 was missing???
" her children deserve our compassion."
of course her children deserve compassion, they've done nothing wrong.
will the navy PTO discuss this debacle at the first meeting?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
bdimag
()
Date: September 05, 2007 01:46PM
G-Man Wrote:
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> Wow, who ever it was that called her a blimp was
> right. You turn the picture on its side and she
> DOES look like a blimp!!!
wow it took me a second to understand what that was (i didnt read the post, just looked)...
and...
LMFAO
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/05/2007 01:47PM by bdimag.
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> Wow, who ever it was that called her a blimp was
> right. You turn the picture on its side and she
> DOES look like a blimp!!!
wow it took me a second to understand what that was (i didnt read the post, just looked)...
and...
LMFAO
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/05/2007 01:47PM by bdimag.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
ferfux
()
Date: September 05, 2007 03:06PM
she looks like the snapple lady
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax Citizen
()
Date: September 05, 2007 06:42PM
It's time for an update. When is the hearing or trial? Is she a single mum making ends meet? Are other charges pending or being investigated?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Radiophile
()
Date: September 05, 2007 11:33PM
WhPayne Wrote:
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> I can confirm the information that Tammy Goldstein
> posted. Litsa, the name she goes by, has done
> this before. (By the way, the name is Greek) She
> stole almost $100,000 from a previous employer.
> Apparently the employer got the money back from
> their business insurance and the insurance company
> went after her. Not sure why there is no record of
> this.
>
> Litsa is a very, very smart and manipulative
> person. Too bad she chooses to steal instead of
> applying herself in some way of making an honest
> living.
Actually I have heard of similar things happening. In business and especially non-profits, negative press is a bad thing. Non-profits solicit donations, membership fees, sales of publications, etc. If the word gets out that someone is stealing, major revenue streams (donations) tend to dry up. She probably got a stern lecture, agreed to pay it back (on paper anyway) and a claim was quietly filed with the insurance agency.
On the profit side, I worked for a large wholly owned subsidiary of a very large telephone company. An assistant to the Vice President was in charge of ordering American Express gift checks as rewards for salespeople. She started ordering extra for herself and it got completely out of hand. It went on for months. From what I heard, she confessed to the company because her husband was trying to get a government job and during the investigation, the government found on their reported income, they could not afford the cars, house, furnishings, exotic pets, and traveling they had been doing.
She turned herself into the company and agreed to make token payments. She was let go and people were instructed not to talk about it. I had heard it in the 100s of thousands of dollars.
It was not this lady though.
So this does happen. Alway insist that two people sign the checks. It does not eliminate the problem, but it sure makes it more difficult.
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> I can confirm the information that Tammy Goldstein
> posted. Litsa, the name she goes by, has done
> this before. (By the way, the name is Greek) She
> stole almost $100,000 from a previous employer.
> Apparently the employer got the money back from
> their business insurance and the insurance company
> went after her. Not sure why there is no record of
> this.
>
> Litsa is a very, very smart and manipulative
> person. Too bad she chooses to steal instead of
> applying herself in some way of making an honest
> living.
Actually I have heard of similar things happening. In business and especially non-profits, negative press is a bad thing. Non-profits solicit donations, membership fees, sales of publications, etc. If the word gets out that someone is stealing, major revenue streams (donations) tend to dry up. She probably got a stern lecture, agreed to pay it back (on paper anyway) and a claim was quietly filed with the insurance agency.
On the profit side, I worked for a large wholly owned subsidiary of a very large telephone company. An assistant to the Vice President was in charge of ordering American Express gift checks as rewards for salespeople. She started ordering extra for herself and it got completely out of hand. It went on for months. From what I heard, she confessed to the company because her husband was trying to get a government job and during the investigation, the government found on their reported income, they could not afford the cars, house, furnishings, exotic pets, and traveling they had been doing.
She turned herself into the company and agreed to make token payments. She was let go and people were instructed not to talk about it. I had heard it in the 100s of thousands of dollars.
It was not this lady though.
So this does happen. Alway insist that two people sign the checks. It does not eliminate the problem, but it sure makes it more difficult.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy
()
Date: September 06, 2007 07:34AM
trail - in October
her status - she is married, claimed husband did not know about Navy embezzlement, claim, he was totally in the dark Not sure if he knew about the Association CAN only assume he knew?
current - charges under investigation
her status - she is married, claimed husband did not know about Navy embezzlement, claim, he was totally in the dark Not sure if he knew about the Association CAN only assume he knew?
current - charges under investigation
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy
()
Date: September 07, 2007 04:10PM
I wonder if CYA & Chantilly Boosters has thought about what the public opinion will be when & if information might surface showing their organizaton's embezzlement to Navy's. Mrs. Mattfeld worked her magic once. As we have learned volunteer organizations are pretty flush with cash & checks no one tracks. Just food for thought...so to speak.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: September 07, 2007 04:56PM
I wonder what she bought?
Expensive Furniture? Luxury cars? Luxury trips to Vegas with the High Roller Suites? Humm, now what do fat people spend their money on? LOL
Expensive Furniture? Luxury cars? Luxury trips to Vegas with the High Roller Suites? Humm, now what do fat people spend their money on? LOL
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Margie
()
Date: September 07, 2007 08:58PM
Jenny Craig. It gets pretty expensive over a period of time
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Mom
()
Date: September 07, 2007 10:24PM
Chantilly Youth Association and Chantilly High School boosters looks like you need a public audit of your books. If you are not revealing information, you are just as big a crook as Mattfeld.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: September 09, 2007 04:41AM
d Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Also, you can keep hiding behind your little
> computer, because I doubt you would ever have the
> nuts to call me a bitch to my face.
im foregoing the normal response to your retarded answers because i REALLY do want to call you a bitch in person. please register and private message me with info.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
-------------------------------------------------------
> Also, you can keep hiding behind your little
> computer, because I doubt you would ever have the
> nuts to call me a bitch to my face.
im foregoing the normal response to your retarded answers because i REALLY do want to call you a bitch in person. please register and private message me with info.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Old School Navy
()
Date: September 10, 2007 04:29PM
I propose all non-profit, public schools, boosters, associations be required to publish their check register on line with monthly balances. We have to be proactice. Mrs. Mattfeld is just going to move to a new victim. She will need to move out of the area. If she goes to trial, she will face her accusers. I will be in the front row with the rest of Navy community.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax Citizen
()
Date: September 11, 2007 07:13AM
This case will be a most interesting one to watch. I learned from my friend, a retired assistant district attorney who used to prosecute fraud cases, that this type of theft is so rampant, that most cases are not pursued and perps get minimum time, if any. He was addressing all types of fraud, whereby restitution is court ordered, yet, never paid; felons enter the federal prison system, only to be released early (apparently, Bureau of Prisons has jurisdiction over that of the sentencing judges) and criminals are returned to county jail, who are released due to over crowding... A devious person can really get away with so-called white collar crime...Human nature, being what it is, we all need to be particularly vigilant of our organizations that are involved in handling our money.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Angered
()
Date: September 11, 2007 07:13AM
Is she not going to trial in October?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Parent
()
Date: September 11, 2007 09:59AM
As the trial of Litsa Mattfeld progresses, we, as parents, can use it as a tool to help our children understand much about out court system today---the one we hand over to their generation. Mrs. Mattfeld, we can tell them, did all of these bad things, both to us and to people before us... And who knows? She may continue to do them...But she will be allowed to "plea bargain" and not really be fully prosecuted for the terrible things she did. We can look into the innocent eyes of our children, so full of trust, and let them know that this is the way things are. The "DA" (district attorney) is a very busy fellow...And the courts are overflowing in court cases...So this case may just be settled as efficiently as possible, out of court. "What does that mean?" we'll be asked..."You'll understand when you're older," we can reassure them. "I know what you're reading in your civics book right now contradicts what this case tells you. But when you're older, you'll see things as they are."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy parent
()
Date: September 11, 2007 01:40PM
Fairfax Citizen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This case will be a most interesting one to watch.
> I learned from my friend, a retired assistant
> district attorney who used to prosecute fraud
> cases, that this type of theft is so rampant, that
> most cases are not pursued and perps get minimum
> time, if any. He was addressing all types of
> fraud, whereby restitution is court ordered, yet,
> never paid; felons enter the federal prison
> system, only to be released early (apparently,
> Bureau of Prisons has jurisdiction over that of
> the sentencing judges) and criminals are returned
> to county jail, who are released due to over
> crowding... A devious person can really get away
> with so-called white collar crime...Human nature,
> being what it is, we all need to be particularly
> vigilant of our organizations that are involved in
> handling our money.
I'd like to know when her court date is... If there is enough public outcry,and publicity the DA may not be so keen on making a deal.
what I find interesting, is that the local papers are not covering this ( besides the day of her arrest ) and the CYA and Chantilly Boosters and Fair Oaks Pool are all silent.
no one has said they are investigating whether she stole from them also
any thoughts?
-------------------------------------------------------
> This case will be a most interesting one to watch.
> I learned from my friend, a retired assistant
> district attorney who used to prosecute fraud
> cases, that this type of theft is so rampant, that
> most cases are not pursued and perps get minimum
> time, if any. He was addressing all types of
> fraud, whereby restitution is court ordered, yet,
> never paid; felons enter the federal prison
> system, only to be released early (apparently,
> Bureau of Prisons has jurisdiction over that of
> the sentencing judges) and criminals are returned
> to county jail, who are released due to over
> crowding... A devious person can really get away
> with so-called white collar crime...Human nature,
> being what it is, we all need to be particularly
> vigilant of our organizations that are involved in
> handling our money.
I'd like to know when her court date is... If there is enough public outcry,and publicity the DA may not be so keen on making a deal.
what I find interesting, is that the local papers are not covering this ( besides the day of her arrest ) and the CYA and Chantilly Boosters and Fair Oaks Pool are all silent.
no one has said they are investigating whether she stole from them also
any thoughts?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
edster
()
Date: September 11, 2007 01:46PM
This is strange as this lady has also been active in "some" capacity in other Fairfax/Chantilly activities. It has the appearance that some of these activities are unchecked and therefore removed from too close public scrutiny. Boy, what a role model for this community!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
edster
()
Date: September 11, 2007 01:54PM
That the local papers are not covering this is indeed amazing though it should surprise no-one. That CYA and other local civic activities are mum about this whole thing is puzzeling. There are many parents, of all ages, men and women who selflesly give many hours of coaching,mentoring and help proveding an environment for our boys and girls to florish in any sport and/or civic activity. For somebody then to quietly step in and push around their heavy weight is just absolutely disgusting.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
edster
()
Date: September 11, 2007 01:56PM
You are absolutely right and then also look at the people who gravitate around this haevy weight....you begin to wonder...NO?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
edster
()
Date: September 11, 2007 01:58PM
As for auditing this case...be aware all the lawyers running for pblic office
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
edster
()
Date: September 11, 2007 01:59PM
I hope it will come to that!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
edster
()
Date: September 11, 2007 02:03PM
Unfortunately you are right and soon things are forgotten and its back to business as usual. THEREFOR get involved in PTA etc and become proactive
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
edster
()
Date: September 11, 2007 02:05PM
OK moms and dads as disgusting and repulsive this case may be....lets keep our tone civil and stoop down to her level. cheers
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
edster
()
Date: September 11, 2007 02:06PM
I meant NOT stoop down to her level
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy
()
Date: September 11, 2007 02:41PM
Preliminary hearing I guess to decide what she is charged with an opportunity for a plea. Local papers can not print anything if CYA or Chantilly Boosters or Community Pool will not talk. How squeaky clean do you think their checks and balance system is? They don't want to admit she embezzled from them. Don't have the guts to come forward. If she sat at the cash table at Navy Events, rumor has it she sat at the cash box at Chantilly's Booster events. Navy should be commended for coming forward and prosecuting one of their own. Their "deeply embedded" former PTA president publicly. Step up for what is right CYA & Chantilly HIGH School Boosters!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy too!
()
Date: September 11, 2007 05:12PM
If Chantilly High Boosters or CYA can't stand up. Our money is NOT going to a reliable responsible organization, Why should be DONATE? Wake up.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy parent
()
Date: September 11, 2007 07:28PM
Navy too! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> If Chantilly High Boosters or CYA can't stand up.
> Our money is NOT going to a reliable responsible
> organization, Why should be DONATE? Wake up.
THIS is the message that all parents should send to the CYA and Boosters!
I don't care if they're embarassed! They should be! and our questions should be answered!
I do not want this woman to get away with stealing 180,000 PLUS of the money generous people gave to help the schools and our children because people are embarassed and don't want to face the questions of concerned parents.
NO PLEA BARGAIN FOR THIS THIEF!
-------------------------------------------------------
> If Chantilly High Boosters or CYA can't stand up.
> Our money is NOT going to a reliable responsible
> organization, Why should be DONATE? Wake up.
THIS is the message that all parents should send to the CYA and Boosters!
I don't care if they're embarassed! They should be! and our questions should be answered!
I do not want this woman to get away with stealing 180,000 PLUS of the money generous people gave to help the schools and our children because people are embarassed and don't want to face the questions of concerned parents.
NO PLEA BARGAIN FOR THIS THIEF!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
hmm
()
Date: September 11, 2007 10:11PM
I still wonder what Tubby did with all the money.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
angered
()
Date: September 12, 2007 10:21AM
It was the bank who turned her in-not Navy!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: September 12, 2007 10:30AM
What was it that the bank noticed that got her caught?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
navy
()
Date: September 12, 2007 01:06PM
Navy PTO also turned her in, signed a complaint and everything. Call it a joint effort.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy
()
Date: September 12, 2007 02:06PM
All the guilty information will come out in the end and be public knowledge, via the bank or other sources, not to worry who did what when where now. It is a pending investigation. Just sit tight. It's NOT over yet.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: September 12, 2007 03:22PM
My suggestion, 30 days in the gallows, students get to throw cafeteria food at her during lunch for laughs.
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: September 12, 2007 03:25PM
That aint a gallows. A gallows is what you get hanged on.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: September 12, 2007 03:59PM
ok the stock
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: September 13, 2007 02:43PM
Just thought I would move this:
Re: Navy School PTA rip-off
Posted by: Navy '05 (IP Logged)
Date: September 13, 2007 02:28PM
All I can say is that many times when I volunteered, her hand was always in the cookie jar (I am not making a pun on her weigh or about food either) to clarify she always had to be in control of the money. I say money it was actually just the cash sections. She never went out of her way to get involved where there was payment by check obviously she knew what she was doing and we were the idiots. She was constantly empty the "CASH" box during the busiest times of an event to give herself cover time. Litsa you know you are guilty you stole from our children and should be ashamed of yourself. Also the members of the PTA should learn from this as well as the NAVY admisntration that is trying to hide from this stand up and admit you were negligent in your admisntrative responsibilities as well.
How much money "CASH" was raised in the Navy basketball games at Chantilly HS, and who was working the box... you guessed it Litsa. Navy Fair cash box ... Litsa
if you purchased supplies she always wanted you to do so in cash so she could pay you back and I suspect pay herself a little also. Thanks for your time
"In God we trust" all other we POLYGRAPH!!
Re: Navy School PTA rip-off
Posted by: Navy '05 (IP Logged)
Date: September 13, 2007 02:28PM
All I can say is that many times when I volunteered, her hand was always in the cookie jar (I am not making a pun on her weigh or about food either) to clarify she always had to be in control of the money. I say money it was actually just the cash sections. She never went out of her way to get involved where there was payment by check obviously she knew what she was doing and we were the idiots. She was constantly empty the "CASH" box during the busiest times of an event to give herself cover time. Litsa you know you are guilty you stole from our children and should be ashamed of yourself. Also the members of the PTA should learn from this as well as the NAVY admisntration that is trying to hide from this stand up and admit you were negligent in your admisntrative responsibilities as well.
How much money "CASH" was raised in the Navy basketball games at Chantilly HS, and who was working the box... you guessed it Litsa. Navy Fair cash box ... Litsa
if you purchased supplies she always wanted you to do so in cash so she could pay you back and I suspect pay herself a little also. Thanks for your time
"In God we trust" all other we POLYGRAPH!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Family
()
Date: September 13, 2007 11:06PM
$180,000 is just the amount they can prove so far. Expenses for Navy, expenses for CYA, expenses for Chantilly Boosters. She probably tripled expenses by having each organization pay her expenses triple time. The cash box at every event was a good start. Good luck Litsa your going to need it this time.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy too!
()
Date: September 14, 2007 09:06AM
Just a thought, a previous post used the example of a PTA president using her catering service to rip off the school by over pricing sandwiches and services. Anyone looked into the vendors LITSA used. Was the PTA over charged and did she find a way to receive kick backs? Any connection to friends or family of LITSA? Another way to rip off Navy.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Community
()
Date: September 15, 2007 08:26AM
What day is her court date? time? Open to the public?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Ship Wreck
()
Date: September 15, 2007 08:55AM
http://www.peytonwolcott.com/Commentary080707-082407.html
I came across this website. Publish your check register, disclosing funds coming in and out of all PTA accounts PLUS the CYAs organizations & Chantilly Boosters of ALL systems. What do you have to hide?
I came across this website. Publish your check register, disclosing funds coming in and out of all PTA accounts PLUS the CYAs organizations & Chantilly Boosters of ALL systems. What do you have to hide?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
José Diego
()
Date: September 15, 2007 11:30AM
The Army has excellent systems to account for monetary transactions. For example, a "flower and cup" fund provides a method to account for office expenditures for, well, flowers and cups. Most people are trusting and really don't want to bother with such trivial things--and the simple flower and cup fund is not used.
In this situation of the Greek lady taking "gifts," it appears that no one was mindful of 'beware when Greeks come bearing gifts.' After all, she was a trusted member of not-for-profit organizations and her charitable gift of handling the loose change didn't alarm anyone.
In this situation of the Greek lady taking "gifts," it appears that no one was mindful of 'beware when Greeks come bearing gifts.' After all, she was a trusted member of not-for-profit organizations and her charitable gift of handling the loose change didn't alarm anyone.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy mom
()
Date: September 16, 2007 11:20AM
I can hope she is feeling some sort of financial consequences. If her lawyer is pro-bono he is nuts or friend footing the bill. She no longer has the cash flow of Navy/CYA/Chantilly High School Boosters. Loaded cash mattress might go down now. Navy Money. LIAR!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: September 16, 2007 02:07PM
Navy Ship Wreck Wrote:
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> http://www.peytonwolcott.com/Commentary080707-0824
> 07.html
>
> I came across this website. Publish your check
> register, disclosing funds coming in and out of
> all PTA accounts PLUS the CYAs organizations &
> Chantilly Boosters of ALL systems. What do you
> have to hide?
After reading the article in the link, why the HELL does it take the organization switching from a PTA to a PTO to have an audit? If someone can steal $180K over four years and no one notices, that PTA must be generating some coin. Where the hell is the oversight?
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> http://www.peytonwolcott.com/Commentary080707-0824
> 07.html
>
> I came across this website. Publish your check
> register, disclosing funds coming in and out of
> all PTA accounts PLUS the CYAs organizations &
> Chantilly Boosters of ALL systems. What do you
> have to hide?
After reading the article in the link, why the HELL does it take the organization switching from a PTA to a PTO to have an audit? If someone can steal $180K over four years and no one notices, that PTA must be generating some coin. Where the hell is the oversight?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Ship Wreck
()
Date: September 17, 2007 06:26AM
I want to clear up this question, How did the PTA miss the oversight. Second to non "Where did the money go?" We were a well run, high energy, close knit family of strong independent, get things done group of moms & dads. We pulled off events for 800 plus on a shoe string budget as VOLUNTEERS. Did what needed to get down, fast efficiently, depended on each other with out question, with our kids, extened familes, and supported each other blinded. Litsa Mattfeld took advantage us. She was one of us. I am sure she took small amounts at first, and grew quickly over the years. Litsa had an excuse for the questions about money and budget which could drag out for months. We did not take the time to grill her. Life was too busy and we were too trusting. Trust me the NAVY kids did not suffer. Navy had/has fabulous events we were very proud of pulling off. BUT we could have done so much more and that is part of the PISSED off parents we have become in hind sight. LITSA, I know you read this web site, we are ashamed for our blind trust, but you my dear are pathetic. Admit you are a CONVICT and not because your lawyer tells you too! You owe us that much!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 17, 2007 10:25AM
Navy Ship Wreck Wrote:
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> I want to clear up this question, How did the PTA
> miss the oversight. Second to non "Where did the
> money go?" We were a well run, high energy, close
> knit family of strong independent, get things done
> group of moms & dads. We pulled off events for
> 800 plus on a shoe string budget as VOLUNTEERS.
> Did what needed to get down, fast efficiently,
> depended on each other with out question, with our
> kids, extened familes, and supported each other
> blinded. Litsa Mattfeld took advantage us. She
> was one of us. I am sure she took small amounts
> at first, and grew quickly over the years. Litsa
> had an excuse for the questions about money and
> budget which could drag out for months. We did
> not take the time to grill her. Life was too busy
> and we were too trusting. Trust me the NAVY kids
> did not suffer. Navy had/has fabulous events we
> were very proud of pulling off. BUT we could have
> done so much more and that is part of the PISSED
> off parents we have become in hind sight. LITSA,
> I know you read this web site, we are ashamed for
> our blind trust, but you my dear are pathetic.
> Admit you are a CONVICT and not because your
> lawyer tells you too! You owe us that much!
Trust but verify. I've been involved with non-profit programs for years. You should always have more than one person in charge of the books and signing off on things. The fact you were raising money but never had money to do things or couldn't get a straight answer out of someone should have prompted other leaders at the PTA to check the bank account, check register, etc.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I want to clear up this question, How did the PTA
> miss the oversight. Second to non "Where did the
> money go?" We were a well run, high energy, close
> knit family of strong independent, get things done
> group of moms & dads. We pulled off events for
> 800 plus on a shoe string budget as VOLUNTEERS.
> Did what needed to get down, fast efficiently,
> depended on each other with out question, with our
> kids, extened familes, and supported each other
> blinded. Litsa Mattfeld took advantage us. She
> was one of us. I am sure she took small amounts
> at first, and grew quickly over the years. Litsa
> had an excuse for the questions about money and
> budget which could drag out for months. We did
> not take the time to grill her. Life was too busy
> and we were too trusting. Trust me the NAVY kids
> did not suffer. Navy had/has fabulous events we
> were very proud of pulling off. BUT we could have
> done so much more and that is part of the PISSED
> off parents we have become in hind sight. LITSA,
> I know you read this web site, we are ashamed for
> our blind trust, but you my dear are pathetic.
> Admit you are a CONVICT and not because your
> lawyer tells you too! You owe us that much!
Trust but verify. I've been involved with non-profit programs for years. You should always have more than one person in charge of the books and signing off on things. The fact you were raising money but never had money to do things or couldn't get a straight answer out of someone should have prompted other leaders at the PTA to check the bank account, check register, etc.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy
()
Date: September 17, 2007 12:33PM
Totally agree. We can only blaim ourselves. I think some did pursue her for answers, but did not follow up. Litsa had connections. Most kids that went to Navy also played sports in CYA. Litsa was head of basketball and other aspects of CYA and after a while high school. Most just followed the flow and did not question. Much more difficult than the cut and dry answer people are looking for concerning politic and community, etc. Did someone know? Enable? Anyone want to step forward? CYA? Chantilly High Boosters?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
edster
()
Date: September 17, 2007 01:02PM
Well, this issue continues to disturb quite a few people. I was amazed to witness that she actually attended the Chantilly football game....hand in hand with her husband...normally they would seperatly. CYA, the school system and others who have gravitated around her don't seem take any action or notice. cheers
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: September 17, 2007 01:33PM
Wow sounds like Litsa is a great con artist. She's playing on everybodies emotions; the true sign of a great con. Sounds like she has perfected her excuses over the years.
If I was her and had stolen the money I would just keeping acting as if nothing big was going on and secretly clean my tracks off all the books. I'd get real buddy buddy with those who had the power to convict me and try to win them over by showing how great a person I am. I'm sure that's what she's trying to do.
My guess also is she is somewhat a bully, she pushes her way into stuff and the volunteer parents just let her get go.
If I was her and had stolen the money I would just keeping acting as if nothing big was going on and secretly clean my tracks off all the books. I'd get real buddy buddy with those who had the power to convict me and try to win them over by showing how great a person I am. I'm sure that's what she's trying to do.
My guess also is she is somewhat a bully, she pushes her way into stuff and the volunteer parents just let her get go.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 17, 2007 03:06PM
Making "nice, nice" won't mean shit before a judge. If she is guilty, and if she is proven to be guilty, all the butt-kissing she is doing won't add up to much.
Frankly, the most damning evidence against her should be the amount of money she spent on Ho's Ho's and Twinkies compared to her income. If she is making $60K a year and purchased $180K in Hostess Cupcakes, which I think it is safe to assume she did, that right there should be enough to put her away for a while.
Frankly, the most damning evidence against her should be the amount of money she spent on Ho's Ho's and Twinkies compared to her income. If she is making $60K a year and purchased $180K in Hostess Cupcakes, which I think it is safe to assume she did, that right there should be enough to put her away for a while.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy
()
Date: September 17, 2007 03:51PM
Mrs. Mattfeld can kiss up all she wants. The evidence and her past history should be enough proof. I wonder if we can count the $180K as income? Hmmmmm...any IRS agents out there? CYA? Boosters? Want to get in this action?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: September 17, 2007 04:08PM
If she makes "nice, nice" she might get others to testify it was an error or oversight, not her fault.
She seems to prey on loosely run organizations with poor book keeping skills, easy marks since trust is big.
I was thinking that she could just take cash from registers and put it in her pockets. Maybe also cashed checks at the bank under the guise that the cash would be used as change for cash registers. Sounds like she has a number of systems worked out.
She seems to prey on loosely run organizations with poor book keeping skills, easy marks since trust is big.
I was thinking that she could just take cash from registers and put it in her pockets. Maybe also cashed checks at the bank under the guise that the cash would be used as change for cash registers. Sounds like she has a number of systems worked out.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy parent
()
Date: September 17, 2007 04:11PM
I'd like to know what the treasurer of the PTA has to say for herself and if she's been questioned by the DA and the police.
I'm sorry, I just don't buy that all PTA officers and teachers were too busy and too trusting.
I'm sorry, I just don't buy that all PTA officers and teachers were too busy and too trusting.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: September 17, 2007 04:15PM
I just called the DA's offfice.
her hearing is October 30 at 2 pm.
everyone who is interested should attend
her hearing is October 30 at 2 pm.
everyone who is interested should attend
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: September 17, 2007 04:15PM
She was the Treasurer, that what makes taking the money so easy.
"Mattfeld served as Treasurer and President of the Navy Elementary School Parent Teacher Association from 2001 to 2006. The PTA was recently re-organized and is now known as the Parent Teacher Organization. It is alleged that during her tenure she embezzled over $180,000 from the PTA."
"Mattfeld served as Treasurer and President of the Navy Elementary School Parent Teacher Association from 2001 to 2006. The PTA was recently re-organized and is now known as the Parent Teacher Organization. It is alleged that during her tenure she embezzled over $180,000 from the PTA."
What makes her tick??
Posted by:
Janice
()
Date: September 17, 2007 04:56PM
L. Mattfeld is probably getting a charge out of the fact that she is the subject of a listserve.. Her husband is quite the enabler.. He knows of her past embezzlement. As I recall he is very mild mannered. He is probably more than happy that she is supplementing their income so he does not have to work as hard. Great role models for their children.
She absolutely knows the risks associated with her fraudulent ways. We can only hope that this time it goes on her record so that it will raise a red flag to any future employers. And hopefully her volunteering days at school related activities is over....
Does anyone know if she held any jobs after her 1992 embezzlement from the DC Association? Or did she get immediately involved in the school activities?
She absolutely knows the risks associated with her fraudulent ways. We can only hope that this time it goes on her record so that it will raise a red flag to any future employers. And hopefully her volunteering days at school related activities is over....
Does anyone know if she held any jobs after her 1992 embezzlement from the DC Association? Or did she get immediately involved in the school activities?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: September 17, 2007 05:06PM
she was the President, not the treasurer. someone else was the treasurer
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The Law
()
Date: September 17, 2007 06:00PM
Navy Community Wrote:
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> What day is her court date? time? Open to the
> public?
Her preliminary hearing is scheduled for 10/30/07 at 2:00PM in Fairfax County general district court. All Fairfax County court proceedings are open to the public.
You can track her legal progress on the state court website at http://www.courts.state.va.us/
Her current file shows:
Case Number: GC07180986-00
File Date: 08/23/07
Complainant: CUMMINGS, E E
Locality: COMMONWEALTH OF VA
Defendant: MATTFELD, TRIANTAFILITSA MARY
Defendant Status: Released on Recognizance
Defense Attorney: CANTRELL, MICHAEL H
City/State Address: FAIRFAX VA 22033
Sex: Female
Race: White Caucasian (Non-Hispanic)
DOB: 12/17/****
AKA1:
AKA2:
Charge: EMBEZZLEMENT: >=$200
Code Section: 18.2-111
Case Type: Felony Class: Other
Amended Charge:
Amended Code:
Amended Case Type:
Offense Date: 07/01/05
Arrest Date: 08/22/07
Hearings
Number Date Time Result Type Courtroom Plea Min Continuance Code
01 08/24/07 1030AM Continued Arraignment 222 Other
02 09/14/07 0925AM Continued Attorney Review 113
03 10/30/07 0200PM Preliminary 000
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> What day is her court date? time? Open to the
> public?
Her preliminary hearing is scheduled for 10/30/07 at 2:00PM in Fairfax County general district court. All Fairfax County court proceedings are open to the public.
You can track her legal progress on the state court website at http://www.courts.state.va.us/
Her current file shows:
Case Number: GC07180986-00
File Date: 08/23/07
Complainant: CUMMINGS, E E
Locality: COMMONWEALTH OF VA
Defendant: MATTFELD, TRIANTAFILITSA MARY
Defendant Status: Released on Recognizance
Defense Attorney: CANTRELL, MICHAEL H
City/State Address: FAIRFAX VA 22033
Sex: Female
Race: White Caucasian (Non-Hispanic)
DOB: 12/17/****
AKA1:
AKA2:
Charge: EMBEZZLEMENT: >=$200
Code Section: 18.2-111
Case Type: Felony Class: Other
Amended Charge:
Amended Code:
Amended Case Type:
Offense Date: 07/01/05
Arrest Date: 08/22/07
Hearings
Number Date Time Result Type Courtroom Plea Min Continuance Code
01 08/24/07 1030AM Continued Arraignment 222 Other
02 09/14/07 0925AM Continued Attorney Review 113
03 10/30/07 0200PM Preliminary 000
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy
()
Date: September 17, 2007 06:35PM
Nice, now if you can just pull that kind detailed information regarding Mrs. Mattfeld out of CYA & Chantilly High Boosters that would be impressive. Regarding employment. Assumed straight to Navy, but with a little resources we can find out.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Parent
()
Date: September 17, 2007 10:28PM
The Navy PTO needs an attorney to make sure the interests of the PTO, it's members, and MOST importantly, it's CHILDREN are looked after.
Do we have anyone in the Navy Community who is an attorney who can VOLUNTEER his or her assistance to the PTO?
Even if Litsa is found guilty, does the PTO need a civil judgment to collect from her? What happens with the ability to collect, if she plea bargains?
Although, her husband was not charged, how can it be that he did not know checks were being deposited into his account? Since he is the only one with a job, he may be the only ticket there is to collect. He should be included as an accomplice. Is anyone tracking their assets, if any?
Is anyone out there an attorney who can volunteer their legal advice on behalf of the PTO and our children?
$180,000 is A LOT of money. Our children and their teachers were the one's who were taken advantage of. We need as many Navy people as that court room will hold to attend her court hearings.
Anyone know a good attorney who can advise? There has to be someone in the Navy community who can help.
Do we have anyone in the Navy Community who is an attorney who can VOLUNTEER his or her assistance to the PTO?
Even if Litsa is found guilty, does the PTO need a civil judgment to collect from her? What happens with the ability to collect, if she plea bargains?
Although, her husband was not charged, how can it be that he did not know checks were being deposited into his account? Since he is the only one with a job, he may be the only ticket there is to collect. He should be included as an accomplice. Is anyone tracking their assets, if any?
Is anyone out there an attorney who can volunteer their legal advice on behalf of the PTO and our children?
$180,000 is A LOT of money. Our children and their teachers were the one's who were taken advantage of. We need as many Navy people as that court room will hold to attend her court hearings.
Anyone know a good attorney who can advise? There has to be someone in the Navy community who can help.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Litsa M.
()
Date: September 18, 2007 02:24PM
Me loves me some donuts
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Angered
()
Date: September 18, 2007 04:14PM
You are a sick person saying you are Litsa M. Maybe sicker then the real Litsa!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Parent
()
Date: September 18, 2007 09:11PM
The Navy PTO needs an attorney to make sure the interests of the PTO, it's members, and MOST importantly, it's CHILDREN are looked after.
Do we have anyone in the Navy Community who is an attorney who can VOLUNTEER his or her assistance to the PTO?
Even if Litsa is found guilty, does the PTO need a civil judgment to collect from her? What happens with the ability to collect, if she plea bargains?
Although, her husband was not charged, how can it be that he did not know checks were being deposited into his account? Since he is the only one with a job, he may be the only ticket there is to collect. He should be included as an accomplice. Is anyone tracking their assets, if any?
Is anyone out there in the Navy Community an attorney who can volunteer their legal advice on behalf of the PTO and our children?
$180,000 is A LOT of money. Our children and their teachers were the one's who were taken advantage of. We need as many Navy people as that court room will hold to attend her court hearings.
Does anyone know a good attorney who can advise? There has to be someone in the Navy community who can help. Anyone??
Do we have anyone in the Navy Community who is an attorney who can VOLUNTEER his or her assistance to the PTO?
Even if Litsa is found guilty, does the PTO need a civil judgment to collect from her? What happens with the ability to collect, if she plea bargains?
Although, her husband was not charged, how can it be that he did not know checks were being deposited into his account? Since he is the only one with a job, he may be the only ticket there is to collect. He should be included as an accomplice. Is anyone tracking their assets, if any?
Is anyone out there in the Navy Community an attorney who can volunteer their legal advice on behalf of the PTO and our children?
$180,000 is A LOT of money. Our children and their teachers were the one's who were taken advantage of. We need as many Navy people as that court room will hold to attend her court hearings.
Does anyone know a good attorney who can advise? There has to be someone in the Navy community who can help. Anyone??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
paaaleez
()
Date: September 18, 2007 10:33PM
> and MOST importantly, it's CHILDREN are looked after.
can we stop dragging the kids into this?
we got it, you want your money back.
sounds fair, but not likely...good luck
can we stop dragging the kids into this?
we got it, you want your money back.
sounds fair, but not likely...good luck
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
hmm
()
Date: September 18, 2007 10:58PM
I had a thought. Suppose the kids have to go back out and collect more money to fund the PTO. To do so they get the boots and start running into traffic like the fire guys. Duh gets pissed off and writes more letters to board of supervisors.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Are you kidding me?
()
Date: September 19, 2007 01:31AM
paaaleez Wrote:
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> can we stop dragging the kids into this?
> we got it, you want your money back.
> sounds fair, but not likely...good luck
Dear Paaaleez,
Are you kidding me? The CHILDREN and TEACHERS "are" the one's who have been wronged by this criminal. Litsa is the one who dragged them into this when she stole the money from THEM. The funds that the children, parents and community raises for the SCHOOL are supposed to be used to provide educational opportunities for the CHILDREN and classroom support, educational supplies and training for the TEACHERS. Imagine what $180,000 could have provided this SCHOOL, its KIDS and TEACHERS, had it NOT been embezzled?
Do you just make arbitrary comments because it feels good? I don't want my money back.....I want this criminal to be prosecuted and pay restitution for what she did, for yet, a SECOND TIME. And if there IS a way to collect from her, those funds will go where they should have gone in the first place....TO THE SCHOOL FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CHILDREN WHO ATTEND Navy AND THEIR TEACHERS WHO NEED ALL THE SUPPORT THEY CAN GET.
Would you rather we just do nothing and let her get away with it....again? Paaaleez, yourself!
It may not be able to be collected in the short term, but a $180,000 cival judgment will stay with you for a long, long time. The PTO should definitely persue this issue for principle if nothing else. She needs to be stopped, do some jail time, pay restitution, and be held accountable for stealing from KIDS and TEACHERS.
You may have "gotten it" but a number of folks are "just now" getting the true details of what happened. We are looking for help....not sarcastic comments.
-------------------------------------------------------
> can we stop dragging the kids into this?
> we got it, you want your money back.
> sounds fair, but not likely...good luck
Dear Paaaleez,
Are you kidding me? The CHILDREN and TEACHERS "are" the one's who have been wronged by this criminal. Litsa is the one who dragged them into this when she stole the money from THEM. The funds that the children, parents and community raises for the SCHOOL are supposed to be used to provide educational opportunities for the CHILDREN and classroom support, educational supplies and training for the TEACHERS. Imagine what $180,000 could have provided this SCHOOL, its KIDS and TEACHERS, had it NOT been embezzled?
Do you just make arbitrary comments because it feels good? I don't want my money back.....I want this criminal to be prosecuted and pay restitution for what she did, for yet, a SECOND TIME. And if there IS a way to collect from her, those funds will go where they should have gone in the first place....TO THE SCHOOL FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CHILDREN WHO ATTEND Navy AND THEIR TEACHERS WHO NEED ALL THE SUPPORT THEY CAN GET.
Would you rather we just do nothing and let her get away with it....again? Paaaleez, yourself!
It may not be able to be collected in the short term, but a $180,000 cival judgment will stay with you for a long, long time. The PTO should definitely persue this issue for principle if nothing else. She needs to be stopped, do some jail time, pay restitution, and be held accountable for stealing from KIDS and TEACHERS.
You may have "gotten it" but a number of folks are "just now" getting the true details of what happened. We are looking for help....not sarcastic comments.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: September 19, 2007 06:05AM
Are you kidding me? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> paaaleez Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > can we stop dragging the kids into this?
> > we got it, you want your money back.
> > sounds fair, but not likely...good luck
>
>
> Dear Paaaleez,
>
> Are you kidding me? The CHILDREN and TEACHERS
> "are" the one's who have been wronged by this
> criminal. Litsa is the one who dragged them into
> this when she stole the money from THEM. The
> funds that the children, parents and community
> raises for the SCHOOL are supposed to be used to
> provide educational opportunities for the CHILDREN
> and classroom support, educational supplies and
> training for the TEACHERS. Imagine what $180,000
> could have provided this SCHOOL, its KIDS and
> TEACHERS, had it NOT been embezzled?
>
> Do you just make arbitrary comments because it
> feels good? I don't want my money back.....I want
> this criminal to be prosecuted and pay restitution
> for what she did, for yet, a SECOND TIME. And if
> there IS a way to collect from her, those funds
> will go where they should have gone in the first
> place....TO THE SCHOOL FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE
> CHILDREN WHO ATTEND Navy AND THEIR TEACHERS WHO
> NEED ALL THE SUPPORT THEY CAN GET.
>
> Would you rather we just do nothing and let her
> get away with it....again? Paaaleez, yourself!
>
> It may not be able to be collected in the short
> term, but a $180,000 cival judgment will stay with
> you for a long, long time. The PTO should
> definitely persue this issue for principle if
> nothing else. She needs to be stopped, do some
> jail time, pay restitution, and be held
> accountable for stealing from KIDS and TEACHERS.
>
>
> You may have "gotten it" but a number of folks are
> "just now" getting the true details of what
> happened. We are looking for help....not
> sarcastic comments.
the school and the PTO are not going to try and get their money back. They want this story to go away. This is an embarassment and a PR nightmare for them
I'm sure litsa doesn't have the money anymore or else she would have given it back
the only thing we can hope for is jail time for litsa. Go to her hearing on Oct 30 .. A show of public outrage will make it difficcult for the Judge to allow the DA to plea her down to a lesser charge.
better yet, call the DA's office. have other Navy parents call the DA. Let them know that the public is outraged and want this woman punished.
-------------------------------------------------------
> paaaleez Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > can we stop dragging the kids into this?
> > we got it, you want your money back.
> > sounds fair, but not likely...good luck
>
>
> Dear Paaaleez,
>
> Are you kidding me? The CHILDREN and TEACHERS
> "are" the one's who have been wronged by this
> criminal. Litsa is the one who dragged them into
> this when she stole the money from THEM. The
> funds that the children, parents and community
> raises for the SCHOOL are supposed to be used to
> provide educational opportunities for the CHILDREN
> and classroom support, educational supplies and
> training for the TEACHERS. Imagine what $180,000
> could have provided this SCHOOL, its KIDS and
> TEACHERS, had it NOT been embezzled?
>
> Do you just make arbitrary comments because it
> feels good? I don't want my money back.....I want
> this criminal to be prosecuted and pay restitution
> for what she did, for yet, a SECOND TIME. And if
> there IS a way to collect from her, those funds
> will go where they should have gone in the first
> place....TO THE SCHOOL FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE
> CHILDREN WHO ATTEND Navy AND THEIR TEACHERS WHO
> NEED ALL THE SUPPORT THEY CAN GET.
>
> Would you rather we just do nothing and let her
> get away with it....again? Paaaleez, yourself!
>
> It may not be able to be collected in the short
> term, but a $180,000 cival judgment will stay with
> you for a long, long time. The PTO should
> definitely persue this issue for principle if
> nothing else. She needs to be stopped, do some
> jail time, pay restitution, and be held
> accountable for stealing from KIDS and TEACHERS.
>
>
> You may have "gotten it" but a number of folks are
> "just now" getting the true details of what
> happened. We are looking for help....not
> sarcastic comments.
the school and the PTO are not going to try and get their money back. They want this story to go away. This is an embarassment and a PR nightmare for them
I'm sure litsa doesn't have the money anymore or else she would have given it back
the only thing we can hope for is jail time for litsa. Go to her hearing on Oct 30 .. A show of public outrage will make it difficcult for the Judge to allow the DA to plea her down to a lesser charge.
better yet, call the DA's office. have other Navy parents call the DA. Let them know that the public is outraged and want this woman punished.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 19, 2007 09:16AM
It will probably cost you $180K in court costs to recover the $180K if you go through civil court. Then you have to try to collect (if the woman owns her home, you might have a chance to collect there).
I hear people saying that they want the woman to pay for what she did - should she be found guilty. I don't know tax law, but if these allegations are true, seems to me she has evaded paying taxes on $180K in income. It might be cheaper to get the IRS on her tail to collect those taxes.
I hear people saying that they want the woman to pay for what she did - should she be found guilty. I don't know tax law, but if these allegations are true, seems to me she has evaded paying taxes on $180K in income. It might be cheaper to get the IRS on her tail to collect those taxes.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Parent
()
Date: September 19, 2007 09:27AM
I'm sure the previous Association she stole from wanted the situation to just go away, too. That's probably why Litsa thought she could do it again. And if the PTO does not exercise every opportunity to gain a monetary judgment against her and her husband who assisted and may be the only source for collecting, she will get away with it, AGAIN. $180,000 is A LOT of money.
Her plan, I'm sure, was to again target institutions that rely on donations to function, hoping that if she WAS caught, no one would pursue it. I bet there is no coincidence that she involved herself in "fundraising" for CYA and Chantilly HS also. She hit the jackpot with Navy.
I'm happy that the PTO has finally put appropriate financial controls in place to hopefully prevent this in the future....that's great. They need to go beyond that and further exercise their fiduciary responsibilities to the school, kids and teachers to collect whatever they can. They need to get over their embarrassment and do the whole job, not just sweep it under the carpet hoping it will go away, if for nothing else, principle. (That is probably why this happened again.)
Even if Litsa pays $20 a month (and never pays it all back) it will be a constant reminder to her of what she did and she can continue to pay for her actions until the situation is corrected. If that takes forever, so be it. A monetary JUDGMENT is required for that. You never know what money she may come into in the future. That information in the public records section on her credit report, along with her criminal record, will stay with her until the situation is resolved. She will be unable to buy any property without that $180,000 lien being attached. If she is convicted and spends a few days in jail, that will be over rather soon. A judgment will stay with her forever until it is satisfied.
This is why the PTO needs legal advice. There has got to be someone in the Navy community who is an attorney who can volunteer assistance. After a criminal conviction, it should be rather easy to get a monetary judgment in civil court. I'm sure someone in the Navy community who is an attorney would be happy to volunteer their time to help. The PTO needs to ask.
I hope everyone does, indeed, attend the court hearing. I will be there.
Her plan, I'm sure, was to again target institutions that rely on donations to function, hoping that if she WAS caught, no one would pursue it. I bet there is no coincidence that she involved herself in "fundraising" for CYA and Chantilly HS also. She hit the jackpot with Navy.
I'm happy that the PTO has finally put appropriate financial controls in place to hopefully prevent this in the future....that's great. They need to go beyond that and further exercise their fiduciary responsibilities to the school, kids and teachers to collect whatever they can. They need to get over their embarrassment and do the whole job, not just sweep it under the carpet hoping it will go away, if for nothing else, principle. (That is probably why this happened again.)
Even if Litsa pays $20 a month (and never pays it all back) it will be a constant reminder to her of what she did and she can continue to pay for her actions until the situation is corrected. If that takes forever, so be it. A monetary JUDGMENT is required for that. You never know what money she may come into in the future. That information in the public records section on her credit report, along with her criminal record, will stay with her until the situation is resolved. She will be unable to buy any property without that $180,000 lien being attached. If she is convicted and spends a few days in jail, that will be over rather soon. A judgment will stay with her forever until it is satisfied.
This is why the PTO needs legal advice. There has got to be someone in the Navy community who is an attorney who can volunteer assistance. After a criminal conviction, it should be rather easy to get a monetary judgment in civil court. I'm sure someone in the Navy community who is an attorney would be happy to volunteer their time to help. The PTO needs to ask.
I hope everyone does, indeed, attend the court hearing. I will be there.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy MOM
()
Date: September 19, 2007 09:38AM
Plea bargain had better include jail time and monetary payments. As for court, I will be there. 5 years of being cheated by a con. We have the resoures, we have the time. Come on Chantilly High school & CYA? What is your problem. At least show effort. Navy kids will go to Chantilly? You want our money? Boosters? Get a back bone! No brainer that she stole from you too.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 19, 2007 09:42AM
I have no idea what the judge will do in this situation. Back in the 90s I worked for a company that caught its book-keeper embezzling. The guy was able to cut a deal where he pleaded guilty and received a deferred sentence on a felony charge. Basically he was given probation for five years. If he didn't break his probation, the felony charge would be stricken from his record. Essentially this guy is free today to do this same kind of shit and no employer will be the wiser until he is caught again. Hopefully, the judge won't be an idiot with this case.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
edster
()
Date: September 19, 2007 12:05PM
The Litsa debacle goes on....what strikes me most that some people use this media to vent their anger which they oyherwise would not have done but internet gives them the protection or distance without direct confrontation. If it is constructive and well reasoned critism that is well and good but to resort to venomous and outragous reprisals leads me to belief that there some folks out there that need to be rained in as well.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 19, 2007 12:43PM
edster Wrote:
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> The Litsa debacle goes on....what strikes me most
> that some people use this media to vent their
> anger which they oyherwise would not have done but
> internet gives them the protection or distance
> without direct confrontation. If it is
> constructive and well reasoned critism that is
> well and good but to resort to venomous and
> outragous reprisals leads me to belief that there
> some folks out there that need to be rained in as
> well.
Coming from someone who is anonymous. Nice work.
-------------------------------------------------------
> The Litsa debacle goes on....what strikes me most
> that some people use this media to vent their
> anger which they oyherwise would not have done but
> internet gives them the protection or distance
> without direct confrontation. If it is
> constructive and well reasoned critism that is
> well and good but to resort to venomous and
> outragous reprisals leads me to belief that there
> some folks out there that need to be rained in as
> well.
Coming from someone who is anonymous. Nice work.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Mom
()
Date: September 19, 2007 01:34PM
You have got to be kidding me! WE don't need a therapy session. Yeah, were pissed and want to get the word out and shake loose some sources to come forward. Internet is just the tool to help. Rained in? Dr. Phil? I think direct will be October 30. Nothing short of knocking on her door. 80% of what is typed on FFXU, re: Navy is said on a soccer field, PTA meeting, play date, scout meeting, CYA meeting, Boosters meeting, etc, Maybe a D.A.? IRS? Now has a crowd reading and commenting.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Laughable
()
Date: September 19, 2007 01:47PM
You people are hilarious spending four pages on this thread, all saying the same thing. No new material has been posted since page 2. If even half of you who posted here cared as much about drugs and violence in your schools, the county would be a helluva a lot better off.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
hanging judge
()
Date: September 19, 2007 02:06PM
Laughable Wrote:
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> You people are hilarious spending four pages on
> this thread, all saying the same thing. No new
> material has been posted since page 2. If even
> half of you who posted here cared as much about
> drugs and violence in your schools, the county
> would be a helluva a lot better off.
of course, you are right!
we should go to random message boards act like a condensending twit and POOF no more drugs or violence in our schools!
-------------------------------------------------------
> You people are hilarious spending four pages on
> this thread, all saying the same thing. No new
> material has been posted since page 2. If even
> half of you who posted here cared as much about
> drugs and violence in your schools, the county
> would be a helluva a lot better off.
of course, you are right!
we should go to random message boards act like a condensending twit and POOF no more drugs or violence in our schools!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To Laughable
()
Date: September 19, 2007 02:37PM
What are YOU doing to combat drugs and violence in the schools? Please be specific.
Although there have been a number of posts from sarcastic folks on this forum, the many the sincere people from the Navy community who have posted here sharing information and asking for additional resources to help, have spent hundreds and in many cases thousands of hours volunteering at our school giving our TIME, MONEY, and PHYSICAL labor in support of our children. They are some of the most involved people I know of with their children, the schools, AND the community.
Those who have sincerely posted volunteer on a daily basis not only at this and other schools, but also with other organizations that support our children in positive ways like, Chantilly Youth Association, Scouts, and numerous others.
Unless you want to contribute "your" time and resources or you want to assist in locating resources who can help....Keep your unfounded comments to yourself. The most recent posts...where you chose to write your comment....are requesting resources to help.
Although there have been a number of posts from sarcastic folks on this forum, the many the sincere people from the Navy community who have posted here sharing information and asking for additional resources to help, have spent hundreds and in many cases thousands of hours volunteering at our school giving our TIME, MONEY, and PHYSICAL labor in support of our children. They are some of the most involved people I know of with their children, the schools, AND the community.
Those who have sincerely posted volunteer on a daily basis not only at this and other schools, but also with other organizations that support our children in positive ways like, Chantilly Youth Association, Scouts, and numerous others.
Unless you want to contribute "your" time and resources or you want to assist in locating resources who can help....Keep your unfounded comments to yourself. The most recent posts...where you chose to write your comment....are requesting resources to help.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 19, 2007 03:22PM
Laughable Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You people are hilarious spending four pages on
> this thread, all saying the same thing. No new
> material has been posted since page 2. If even
> half of you who posted here cared as much about
> drugs and violence in your schools, the county
> would be a helluva a lot better off.
And you are hilarious spending time reading four pages of comments.
-------------------------------------------------------
> You people are hilarious spending four pages on
> this thread, all saying the same thing. No new
> material has been posted since page 2. If even
> half of you who posted here cared as much about
> drugs and violence in your schools, the county
> would be a helluva a lot better off.
And you are hilarious spending time reading four pages of comments.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy MOM
()
Date: September 19, 2007 06:47PM
PTO is embarrased wouldn't you be? 5 years? BUT they are putting plenty of volunteer time, effort and constructive plannning to prosecute Mrs. Mattfeld. PTO never wanted to sweep the embezzlement under the rug. Don't you get it, felony charges, one of their own. It is an on going investigation. All the gritty details will come out in the end. Don't assume. You will make an ASS out of U and ME. Still looking for Chantilly HS & CYA to step up. 10-30-2007
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Another Navy Mom
()
Date: September 19, 2007 08:07PM
I don't care who is embarrassed, quite frankly.
Sure Litsa may be prosecuted, and that is a good thing. But according to a current PTO officer that I spoke to DIRECTLY, there is NO legal council representing the PTO in this matter at this time. NOR have they yet made the request to the Navy community for a volunteer who might be able to offer such assistance. (This was told to me directly....not an assumption.) They are leaving it in the hands of the police and DA, which is where it should and must be for this moment.
But......In addition to the above, there should be someone representing the legal and fiduciary interests of the PTO, its children and teachers. Of the more than 800+ families at Navy, there has got to be one attorney who could lend some advice especially as it relates to collecting whatever CAN be collected and if not, at least get some judgment that can be attached to wages or other future property or inheritance.
I think this should also be part of the plan at some point, and from what I've been told directly, it is NOT, at this time.
If someone from the Navy community can volunteer legal assistance, please contact the PTO. $180,000 is A LOT of money.
Sure Litsa may be prosecuted, and that is a good thing. But according to a current PTO officer that I spoke to DIRECTLY, there is NO legal council representing the PTO in this matter at this time. NOR have they yet made the request to the Navy community for a volunteer who might be able to offer such assistance. (This was told to me directly....not an assumption.) They are leaving it in the hands of the police and DA, which is where it should and must be for this moment.
But......In addition to the above, there should be someone representing the legal and fiduciary interests of the PTO, its children and teachers. Of the more than 800+ families at Navy, there has got to be one attorney who could lend some advice especially as it relates to collecting whatever CAN be collected and if not, at least get some judgment that can be attached to wages or other future property or inheritance.
I think this should also be part of the plan at some point, and from what I've been told directly, it is NOT, at this time.
If someone from the Navy community can volunteer legal assistance, please contact the PTO. $180,000 is A LOT of money.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
msg from matt
()
Date: September 19, 2007 11:21PM
Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgive our debtors...For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your heavenly Father will not forgive your sins
(Matt 6:12, 14, 15).
(Matt 6:12, 14, 15).
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Thou shalt not steal. (Ex. 20:15)
()
Date: September 20, 2007 06:30AM
Be not righteous overmuch
(Ecclesiastes vii. 16)
I will not justify the wicked. (Ex. 23:7)
Upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.
(Gen. 3:14)
A fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. (Gen. 4:12)
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
(Matthew xvi. 26)
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
(Deuteronomy xix. 21)
(Ecclesiastes vii. 16)
I will not justify the wicked. (Ex. 23:7)
Upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.
(Gen. 3:14)
A fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. (Gen. 4:12)
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
(Matthew xvi. 26)
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
(Deuteronomy xix. 21)
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: September 20, 2007 07:36AM
Another Navy Mom Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't care who is embarrassed, quite frankly.
>
> Sure Litsa may be prosecuted, and that is a good
> thing. But according to a current PTO officer
> that I spoke to DIRECTLY, there is NO legal
> council representing the PTO in this matter at
> this time. NOR have they yet made the request to
> the Navy community for a volunteer who might be
> able to offer such assistance. (This was told to
> me directly....not an assumption.) They are
> leaving it in the hands of the police and DA,
> which is where it should and must be for this
> moment.
>
> But......In addition to the above, there should be
> someone representing the legal and fiduciary
> interests of the PTO, its children and teachers.
> Of the more than 800+ families at Navy, there has
> got to be one attorney who could lend some advice
> especially as it relates to collecting whatever
> CAN be collected and if not, at least get some
> judgment that can be attached to wages or other
> future property or inheritance.
>
> I think this should also be part of the plan at
> some point, and from what I've been told directly,
> it is NOT, at this time.
>
> If someone from the Navy community can volunteer
> legal assistance, please contact the PTO.
> $180,000 is A LOT of money.
you have got to come to gripes with the reality that the PTO is never going to get any money back from Litsa.
From what I've heard, she doesn't own anything, not her townhouse, not her car. Suing her and her family will be a waste of time and money.
the only justice will be is her getting a long jail sentence.
also, don't you think there should be an investigation done by the PTO in how she was able to steal so much money for such a long time and if there were other people who were aware ... and what about the treasurer? shouldn't she be held liable? wasn't it her job to take care of accounting and keep teack of the money?
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't care who is embarrassed, quite frankly.
>
> Sure Litsa may be prosecuted, and that is a good
> thing. But according to a current PTO officer
> that I spoke to DIRECTLY, there is NO legal
> council representing the PTO in this matter at
> this time. NOR have they yet made the request to
> the Navy community for a volunteer who might be
> able to offer such assistance. (This was told to
> me directly....not an assumption.) They are
> leaving it in the hands of the police and DA,
> which is where it should and must be for this
> moment.
>
> But......In addition to the above, there should be
> someone representing the legal and fiduciary
> interests of the PTO, its children and teachers.
> Of the more than 800+ families at Navy, there has
> got to be one attorney who could lend some advice
> especially as it relates to collecting whatever
> CAN be collected and if not, at least get some
> judgment that can be attached to wages or other
> future property or inheritance.
>
> I think this should also be part of the plan at
> some point, and from what I've been told directly,
> it is NOT, at this time.
>
> If someone from the Navy community can volunteer
> legal assistance, please contact the PTO.
> $180,000 is A LOT of money.
you have got to come to gripes with the reality that the PTO is never going to get any money back from Litsa.
From what I've heard, she doesn't own anything, not her townhouse, not her car. Suing her and her family will be a waste of time and money.
the only justice will be is her getting a long jail sentence.
also, don't you think there should be an investigation done by the PTO in how she was able to steal so much money for such a long time and if there were other people who were aware ... and what about the treasurer? shouldn't she be held liable? wasn't it her job to take care of accounting and keep teack of the money?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
edster
()
Date: September 20, 2007 08:20AM
New holoween costume
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 20, 2007 08:56AM
Even if the criminal court finds this woman guilty and even if it fines her, the PTO isn't going to see any of that money. You will need to file a civil suit. And, given her alleged history, odds are if she has any kind of criminal history she probably couldn't qualify for a mortgage, etc, so I'm not sure what, if anything, you would get from her.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Mom from 2001-Current
()
Date: September 20, 2007 12:51PM
My point exactly. A civil suit has to be filed to collect anything. It may or may NOT take an attorney to do this, but advice as to "how" to do it would be appreciated.
With all of the "documented evidence" that has been gathered (ie: evidence right from the bank), a civil suit would probably NOT be any more costly than the filing fee, especially if there was a Navy Community Volunteer Attorney helping out. There has to be at least "one attorney" in a school with over 800 families.
We need the judgment to show up on HER and HER husband's credit, so at some point in the FUTURE, if they DID come into money or property, the judgment would have to be satisfied.
You never know what the future holds. You have to be PREPARED either way. Just letting it go without any future collectable judgment would be "another" crime.
To Former Navy Mom.....As a Parent who has had children at Navy from 2001 and will continue to have children there for another 5 years, I will request that the PTO give a complete review to the current and previous members of exactly what happened, who was involved, what proof has been gathered, and plans moving forward to get the judgment. (Perhaps there are current issues with the on-going criminal case that have prevented this up to now, I don't know.) I got late notice on the first meeting, but I will attend the next meeting and make the request myself. The people who have previously been members and who are current members should be provided that information. Perhaps they need to wait until the criminal case is over?
Again....if there is an Attorney in the Navy Community who can help on a consultative volunteer basis, please contact the Navy PTO @ www.NavyPTO.org
With all of the "documented evidence" that has been gathered (ie: evidence right from the bank), a civil suit would probably NOT be any more costly than the filing fee, especially if there was a Navy Community Volunteer Attorney helping out. There has to be at least "one attorney" in a school with over 800 families.
We need the judgment to show up on HER and HER husband's credit, so at some point in the FUTURE, if they DID come into money or property, the judgment would have to be satisfied.
You never know what the future holds. You have to be PREPARED either way. Just letting it go without any future collectable judgment would be "another" crime.
To Former Navy Mom.....As a Parent who has had children at Navy from 2001 and will continue to have children there for another 5 years, I will request that the PTO give a complete review to the current and previous members of exactly what happened, who was involved, what proof has been gathered, and plans moving forward to get the judgment. (Perhaps there are current issues with the on-going criminal case that have prevented this up to now, I don't know.) I got late notice on the first meeting, but I will attend the next meeting and make the request myself. The people who have previously been members and who are current members should be provided that information. Perhaps they need to wait until the criminal case is over?
Again....if there is an Attorney in the Navy Community who can help on a consultative volunteer basis, please contact the Navy PTO @ www.NavyPTO.org
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Restitute
()
Date: September 20, 2007 01:01PM
Just talk to the Commonwealth's Atty and ask that he seek restitution. It is authorized in the VA Code. You may not get anything as the assets are probably squandered, but a restitution order carries more weight than a civil judgment. Anyone telling you to file a civil suit is either a shady lawyer or has no concept of the law. This isn't that hard people.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: September 20, 2007 01:39PM
Kids let this be a lesson to you.
Often times you may be tempted by a crispy creme donut or maybe it's a snickers bar, it seems harmless enough. The next thing you know you're shoveling cakes in your mouth at bake sales and stealing to support your habit.
Just say no!
For those of you who are addicted it's never to late to start over. There are plenty of support groups like Jenny Craig and Weight Watchers. But, first you must admit you have a problem. Don't be afraid to say, "Hi I am Litsa and I'm a big fatty."
Often times you may be tempted by a crispy creme donut or maybe it's a snickers bar, it seems harmless enough. The next thing you know you're shoveling cakes in your mouth at bake sales and stealing to support your habit.
Just say no!
For those of you who are addicted it's never to late to start over. There are plenty of support groups like Jenny Craig and Weight Watchers. But, first you must admit you have a problem. Don't be afraid to say, "Hi I am Litsa and I'm a big fatty."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
§
()
Date: September 20, 2007 02:14PM
You'll need to let the criminal side play out first so that all evidence can be presented and the record can be transferred to the civil court. The civil court has a lesser legal standard, so if the criminal case doesn't achieve the desired result, then there's a better chance of collectability on the civil side. In this matter, wage garnishment is an option, however in Virginia you are limited to a cap of 25% of income. Ergo, if Litsa makes $50k combined in her next job, assuming she gets hired again, and non-judgment income (i.e.: pension, SS, etc.), then you're looking at about $12k a year during her working years and likely much less at retirement. A court would likely grant interest in this case, if not fees and punitive damages, of 5% annually, which on $180k is $9k a year. That means she'd pay $9k in interest and $3k in principal until the full $180 is unwound. Anyone care to guess how long that'll take? On the other hand, if she's the beneficiary of inheritance or life insurance, then it would help tremendously. The only issue is timing. She's 48, overweight and under emotional distress. I sure wouldn't take those odds.
The PTO should hold a proxy vote on a legal budget for FY2008. I'm surprised that they don't have counsel on retainer absent of this matter. -§
The PTO should hold a proxy vote on a legal budget for FY2008. I'm surprised that they don't have counsel on retainer absent of this matter. -§
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: September 20, 2007 03:18PM
Why don't you work some type of deal where the Lawyers would get a percentage of what is recovered and their name in lights.
We all know Johnny Cochran because the case was in the news.
Certainly a great opportunity for a Lawyer to get some free press, marketing, and possible PTO parents as future clients.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/20/2007 03:20PM by Lurker..
We all know Johnny Cochran because the case was in the news.
Certainly a great opportunity for a Lawyer to get some free press, marketing, and possible PTO parents as future clients.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/20/2007 03:20PM by Lurker..
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Thanks for the Advice
()
Date: September 20, 2007 03:33PM
Great Ideas !!!
Thanks for the information / suggestions....Keep them coming!
Thanks for the information / suggestions....Keep them coming!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 20, 2007 03:44PM
If the Japanese still pay top dollar for whale blubber, I may have an idea...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom 1994-2005
()
Date: September 20, 2007 04:19PM
Navy Mom from 2001-Current Wrote:
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> My point exactly. A civil suit has to be filed to
> collect anything. It may or may NOT take an
> attorney to do this, but advice as to "how" to do
> it would be appreciated.
>
> With all of the "documented evidence" that has
> been gathered (ie: evidence right from the bank),
> a civil suit would probably NOT be any more costly
> than the filing fee, especially if there was a
> Navy Community Volunteer Attorney helping out.
> There has to be at least "one attorney" in a
> school with over 800 families.
>
> We need the judgment to show up on HER and HER
> husband's credit, so at some point in the FUTURE,
> if they DID come into money or property, the
> judgment would have to be satisfied.
>
> You never know what the future holds. You have to
> be PREPARED either way. Just letting it go
> without any future collectable judgment would be
> "another" crime.
>
> To Former Navy Mom.....As a Parent who has had
> children at Navy from 2001 and will continue to
> have children there for another 5 years, I will
> request that the PTO give a complete review to the
> current and previous members of exactly what
> happened, who was involved, what proof has been
> gathered, and plans moving forward to get the
> judgment. (Perhaps there are current issues with
> the on-going criminal case that have prevented
> this up to now, I don't know.) I got late notice
> on the first meeting, but I will attend the next
> meeting and make the request myself. The people
> who have previously been members and who are
> current members should be provided that
> information. Perhaps they need to wait until the
> criminal case is over?
>
> Again....if there is an Attorney in the Navy
> Community who can help on a consultative volunteer
> basis, please contact the Navy PTO @
> www.NavyPTO.org
I am quite confident that the Navy PTO will not want to file a civil case ... and stir up more bad publicity!
they want this to go away as quickly and as quietly as possible. It's bad PR for their fundraising
the longer the case drage on the worse it is for them. It makes it pretty hard to raise money when you have the constant reminder that they were robbed habitually for several years of $180,000.
If Litsa has a good attorney, I'm sure he will use that fact as blackmail to cop a plea.
I can't help but wonder where the voices of outrage are in CYA and Chantilly Boosters?!
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> My point exactly. A civil suit has to be filed to
> collect anything. It may or may NOT take an
> attorney to do this, but advice as to "how" to do
> it would be appreciated.
>
> With all of the "documented evidence" that has
> been gathered (ie: evidence right from the bank),
> a civil suit would probably NOT be any more costly
> than the filing fee, especially if there was a
> Navy Community Volunteer Attorney helping out.
> There has to be at least "one attorney" in a
> school with over 800 families.
>
> We need the judgment to show up on HER and HER
> husband's credit, so at some point in the FUTURE,
> if they DID come into money or property, the
> judgment would have to be satisfied.
>
> You never know what the future holds. You have to
> be PREPARED either way. Just letting it go
> without any future collectable judgment would be
> "another" crime.
>
> To Former Navy Mom.....As a Parent who has had
> children at Navy from 2001 and will continue to
> have children there for another 5 years, I will
> request that the PTO give a complete review to the
> current and previous members of exactly what
> happened, who was involved, what proof has been
> gathered, and plans moving forward to get the
> judgment. (Perhaps there are current issues with
> the on-going criminal case that have prevented
> this up to now, I don't know.) I got late notice
> on the first meeting, but I will attend the next
> meeting and make the request myself. The people
> who have previously been members and who are
> current members should be provided that
> information. Perhaps they need to wait until the
> criminal case is over?
>
> Again....if there is an Attorney in the Navy
> Community who can help on a consultative volunteer
> basis, please contact the Navy PTO @
> www.NavyPTO.org
I am quite confident that the Navy PTO will not want to file a civil case ... and stir up more bad publicity!
they want this to go away as quickly and as quietly as possible. It's bad PR for their fundraising
the longer the case drage on the worse it is for them. It makes it pretty hard to raise money when you have the constant reminder that they were robbed habitually for several years of $180,000.
If Litsa has a good attorney, I'm sure he will use that fact as blackmail to cop a plea.
I can't help but wonder where the voices of outrage are in CYA and Chantilly Boosters?!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
navy
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Date: September 20, 2007 04:24PM
why don't we just focus on the criminal who stole the money from us? why are some of you trying to blame the other pta volunteers? some of you former and current moms are stating that you've been very active at navy and also members of the pta. why didn't you know? why didn't you speak up? why the big focus on cya and the high school? what do you want people to say? the entire community has been conned by litsa. the police arrested litsa and no one else. doesn't that make it clear on who is responsible. 20-20 hindsite is a wonderful thing. cheers
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Curious George
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Date: September 20, 2007 05:26PM
Does anyone know if the FCPD filed for a search warrant to search the Mattfeld house and/or safe deposit boxes/storage lockers that they may have. As more time passes any money or other assets not already squandered away will be that much more difficult to find. How did she get in to the Chantilly football game? Did she use her booster passes or did she pay with cash? Either way (passes or cash) they were probably stolen.
"In God we trust" all others we polygraph"!!
"In God we trust" all others we polygraph"!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Parent
()
Date: September 20, 2007 06:18PM
Curious George Wrote:
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> Does anyone know if the FCPD filed for a search
> warrant to search the Mattfeld house and/or safe
> deposit boxes/storage lockers that they may have.
> As more time passes any money or other assets not
> already squandered away will be that much more
> difficult to find. How did she get in to the
> Chantilly football game? Did she use her booster
> passes or did she pay with cash? Either way
> (passes or cash) they were probably stolen.
>
> "In God we trust" all others we polygraph"!!
A GREAT SUGGESTION !!!!!! Will add it to the list of questions to be asked at the next PTO meeting !!!! (I bet this has not been done. There is no council advising what to do.)
It would be another "CRIME" if these questions and issues are not being addressed by the current PTO.
To Navy's comment: If the PTO does NOT try to collect from Litsa...even if it would only mean a judgment, I personally will NOT ever again contribute money to the PTO. How is that for bad publicity? AGAIN....that is how Litsa is getting away with this. She HOPES no one will go after her. If the PTO does not fully exercise their fiduciary responsibilities and "attempt" to collect from her, why would anyone want to give them MORE money. If you are going to do the job, do the ENTIRE job. Not pursuing the issue to completion to avoid PR is going to cause more outrage. Truly.
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> Does anyone know if the FCPD filed for a search
> warrant to search the Mattfeld house and/or safe
> deposit boxes/storage lockers that they may have.
> As more time passes any money or other assets not
> already squandered away will be that much more
> difficult to find. How did she get in to the
> Chantilly football game? Did she use her booster
> passes or did she pay with cash? Either way
> (passes or cash) they were probably stolen.
>
> "In God we trust" all others we polygraph"!!
A GREAT SUGGESTION !!!!!! Will add it to the list of questions to be asked at the next PTO meeting !!!! (I bet this has not been done. There is no council advising what to do.)
It would be another "CRIME" if these questions and issues are not being addressed by the current PTO.
To Navy's comment: If the PTO does NOT try to collect from Litsa...even if it would only mean a judgment, I personally will NOT ever again contribute money to the PTO. How is that for bad publicity? AGAIN....that is how Litsa is getting away with this. She HOPES no one will go after her. If the PTO does not fully exercise their fiduciary responsibilities and "attempt" to collect from her, why would anyone want to give them MORE money. If you are going to do the job, do the ENTIRE job. Not pursuing the issue to completion to avoid PR is going to cause more outrage. Truly.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
navy
()
Date: September 20, 2007 07:26PM
my goodness, you are all set to attack the pto for not doing their fiduciary duty. do you ever volunteer? if they don't do what you want, you're just going to walk away and never, ever, ever contribute to the pto again. that's real nice. these people who volunteer are doing their best under the worst circumstances. if you can do it better than anyone else, you should step up and take over. in the end, litsa will get exactly what she deserves. let the police and courts handle this mess. go to the trial, call the judge, call the newspapers but for crying out loud stop attacking the people who just want to move forward from this and carry on with regular school business. fyi, if you were at the pto meeting the police officer was there taking questions. you really should get involved.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Truth Seeker
()
Date: September 20, 2007 08:09PM
Navy,
I would have been at the meeting had I known about it, the only thing I knew about this case appeared in the post in late August. By the time the news started spreading (and news I mean both fact and fiction) one meeting had already taken place and I didn't know about it. Not an excuse just a fact. I do think the PTO and the school principal should be answering some questions on this, the navy faculty is being for silent. I am sure due to legal reasons but they are hiding behind that reason a bit much. They need to admit thier mistake in this and take a bold and boisterious stance and go after this criminal.
Now on to Litsa, who funded the "TEA" party at the Hyatt(I believe) in Tysons a few years back?? and what about the recently held birthday party at Century Oaks? Were these all funded with donated dollars from navy familes that didn't get INVITED to participate in these events? NO? Well prove it!! I 'm sure some of you reading this were invited to these affairs that included "the popular Kids". I think that is one of the problems with Litsa she got caught up with "trying to keep up with the ________" (you can fill in what ever name you want there I didn't want to put "Jones" because that would not be fair if there was a Jones that went to Navy and had nothing to do with this!)
Thanks for letting me vent!
I would have been at the meeting had I known about it, the only thing I knew about this case appeared in the post in late August. By the time the news started spreading (and news I mean both fact and fiction) one meeting had already taken place and I didn't know about it. Not an excuse just a fact. I do think the PTO and the school principal should be answering some questions on this, the navy faculty is being for silent. I am sure due to legal reasons but they are hiding behind that reason a bit much. They need to admit thier mistake in this and take a bold and boisterious stance and go after this criminal.
Now on to Litsa, who funded the "TEA" party at the Hyatt(I believe) in Tysons a few years back?? and what about the recently held birthday party at Century Oaks? Were these all funded with donated dollars from navy familes that didn't get INVITED to participate in these events? NO? Well prove it!! I 'm sure some of you reading this were invited to these affairs that included "the popular Kids". I think that is one of the problems with Litsa she got caught up with "trying to keep up with the ________" (you can fill in what ever name you want there I didn't want to put "Jones" because that would not be fair if there was a Jones that went to Navy and had nothing to do with this!)
Thanks for letting me vent!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Please add
()
Date: September 20, 2007 09:05PM
PLease add personal trainer for her kids, expensive spa trips, hair cut & nails (done monthly), Hyatt parties, vacations. Top of the line computers, ebay and
on-line purchases. Any one else want to add to the list? Navy/CYA/Boosters money.
on-line purchases. Any one else want to add to the list? Navy/CYA/Boosters money.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy MoM
()
Date: September 20, 2007 10:11PM
MIssed the top secret PTO Navy Elementary website, seems you can find Fairfax Underground just fine! PTO Meeting, dates and times are posted! Check it out some time.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 20, 2007 10:16PM
I get the sense that some of the PTO families are getting what they deserve. Litsa was obviously the organizer of the "popular kids." Now that the chickens are coming home to roost, the parents of the "popular kids" are either defending this gal or attacking the parents of the "non-popular kids" for not being more diligent about the book-keeping.
I'm glad I'm teaching my kids that popularity is a scam and that materialism is a one-way ticket to Hell. The only thing that matters in this world is family and a few genuine friends you meet along the way. Everything else is bullshit and should be viewed that way.
I'm glad I'm teaching my kids that popularity is a scam and that materialism is a one-way ticket to Hell. The only thing that matters in this world is family and a few genuine friends you meet along the way. Everything else is bullshit and should be viewed that way.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Parent 2001-Current
()
Date: September 20, 2007 10:31PM
navy Wrote:
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> my goodness, you are all set to attack the pto for
> not doing their fiduciary duty. do you ever
> volunteer? if they don't do what you want, you're
> just going to walk away and never, ever, ever
> contribute to the pto again. that's real nice.
> these people who volunteer are doing their best
> under the worst circumstances. if you can do it
> better than anyone else, you should step up and
> take over. in the end, litsa will get exactly
> what she deserves. let the police and courts
> handle this mess. go to the trial, call the
> judge, call the newspapers but for crying out loud
> stop attacking the people who just want to move
> forward from this and carry on with regular school
> business. fyi, if you were at the pto meeting the
> police officer was there taking questions. you
> really should get involved.
Dear Navy,
To answer your question......As a matter of fact, I DO volunteer and have in many ways each and every year from 2001 until now and WILL for the next 5 years. In addition to volunteering my time at the school and in the classroom, my family has paid our dues and been members of the PTA/PTO for the last 7 years. I have also given hundreds of dollars to this organization, bought apparel, wrapping paper, raffle tickets etc, as have hundreds of other parents over the years.....$180,000 of which has been embezzled away by a trusted member of the previous PTA. I would say that I have been very involved.
I'm not attacking the current PTO, but if someone stole $180,000 from you, wouldn't you at least "TRY" to collect? This seems VERY STRANGE to me that there is such an aversion from some for even considering this. WHY ????????? The police and the court are NOT going to collect for us. Only the PTO can collect on behalf of the PTO. Why can't we move on with the day-to-day school business AND collect, too? With the right legal volunteer, it shouldn't be that hard. I'd step up to do the leg work if we could get an attorney to tell us what to do!!!!
Why do YOU have such an aversion to attempted collection from this criminal? Why wouldn't anyone in their right mind, want a judgment against her as a possibility of collecting in the future, in addition to her criminal conviction? Even if she does NOT own property, she or her husband must have a job where wages can be garnished or future inheritance etc.
As a previous poster noted:
"Does anyone know if the FCPD filed for a search warrant to search the Mattfeld house and/or safe deposit boxes/storage lockers that they may have. As more time passes any money or other assets not already squandered away will be that much more difficult to find."
Do you know if this has been done? A legal volunteer like an attorney might be able to ask the questions that we "lay people" might not think of.
Again.....Would you please mind explaining your aversion to this suggestion?
The word is already out....who cares about the PR. The situation was in the NEWS Paper for goodness sake. That's where I heard about it, not from the PTO.
The PTO may be doing their best, and I am grateful for all their efforts, but I do know for a fact that they have not asked for legal assistance in this matter, yet. I was told this by the current PTO president. The PTO has also NOT asked for volunteers to help with any legal efforts to collect.
In sending out these notes, I am hoping that someone with legal background can step up and ASSIST the PTO. Once the criminal proceeding is over, and with the evidence that has been gathered, I don't think it will take much to get a judgment. In fact, I don't know if one will be required if the judge orders restitution. BUT.......I do think that it is in the PTO's best interest to find out what the options are. Why do you have a problem with asking for legal assistance or volunteer in this area? Why do you consider this suggestion an attack on the current PTO? Quite honestly, I'm surprised at what the reason might be as to why they wouldn't want to do it. Again.....$180,000 is A LOT of money.
In addition to Truth Seeker, our family was on vacation until the start of school and did not get the notification of the First PTO meeting in time to arrange our schedule. I will definitely be at the second.
Hopefully, the minutes of that meeting will be published so we could "all" be privy to what transpired. I looked on the PTO website this evening and as of yet, I don't see anything, unfortunately.
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> my goodness, you are all set to attack the pto for
> not doing their fiduciary duty. do you ever
> volunteer? if they don't do what you want, you're
> just going to walk away and never, ever, ever
> contribute to the pto again. that's real nice.
> these people who volunteer are doing their best
> under the worst circumstances. if you can do it
> better than anyone else, you should step up and
> take over. in the end, litsa will get exactly
> what she deserves. let the police and courts
> handle this mess. go to the trial, call the
> judge, call the newspapers but for crying out loud
> stop attacking the people who just want to move
> forward from this and carry on with regular school
> business. fyi, if you were at the pto meeting the
> police officer was there taking questions. you
> really should get involved.
Dear Navy,
To answer your question......As a matter of fact, I DO volunteer and have in many ways each and every year from 2001 until now and WILL for the next 5 years. In addition to volunteering my time at the school and in the classroom, my family has paid our dues and been members of the PTA/PTO for the last 7 years. I have also given hundreds of dollars to this organization, bought apparel, wrapping paper, raffle tickets etc, as have hundreds of other parents over the years.....$180,000 of which has been embezzled away by a trusted member of the previous PTA. I would say that I have been very involved.
I'm not attacking the current PTO, but if someone stole $180,000 from you, wouldn't you at least "TRY" to collect? This seems VERY STRANGE to me that there is such an aversion from some for even considering this. WHY ????????? The police and the court are NOT going to collect for us. Only the PTO can collect on behalf of the PTO. Why can't we move on with the day-to-day school business AND collect, too? With the right legal volunteer, it shouldn't be that hard. I'd step up to do the leg work if we could get an attorney to tell us what to do!!!!
Why do YOU have such an aversion to attempted collection from this criminal? Why wouldn't anyone in their right mind, want a judgment against her as a possibility of collecting in the future, in addition to her criminal conviction? Even if she does NOT own property, she or her husband must have a job where wages can be garnished or future inheritance etc.
As a previous poster noted:
"Does anyone know if the FCPD filed for a search warrant to search the Mattfeld house and/or safe deposit boxes/storage lockers that they may have. As more time passes any money or other assets not already squandered away will be that much more difficult to find."
Do you know if this has been done? A legal volunteer like an attorney might be able to ask the questions that we "lay people" might not think of.
Again.....Would you please mind explaining your aversion to this suggestion?
The word is already out....who cares about the PR. The situation was in the NEWS Paper for goodness sake. That's where I heard about it, not from the PTO.
The PTO may be doing their best, and I am grateful for all their efforts, but I do know for a fact that they have not asked for legal assistance in this matter, yet. I was told this by the current PTO president. The PTO has also NOT asked for volunteers to help with any legal efforts to collect.
In sending out these notes, I am hoping that someone with legal background can step up and ASSIST the PTO. Once the criminal proceeding is over, and with the evidence that has been gathered, I don't think it will take much to get a judgment. In fact, I don't know if one will be required if the judge orders restitution. BUT.......I do think that it is in the PTO's best interest to find out what the options are. Why do you have a problem with asking for legal assistance or volunteer in this area? Why do you consider this suggestion an attack on the current PTO? Quite honestly, I'm surprised at what the reason might be as to why they wouldn't want to do it. Again.....$180,000 is A LOT of money.
In addition to Truth Seeker, our family was on vacation until the start of school and did not get the notification of the First PTO meeting in time to arrange our schedule. I will definitely be at the second.
Hopefully, the minutes of that meeting will be published so we could "all" be privy to what transpired. I looked on the PTO website this evening and as of yet, I don't see anything, unfortunately.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Parent 2001-Current
()
Date: September 20, 2007 10:44PM
Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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> I'm glad I'm teaching my kids that popularity is a
> scam and that materialism is a one-way ticket to
> Hell. The only thing that matters in this world is
> family and a few genuine friends you meet along
> the way. Everything else is bullshit and should be
> viewed that way.
You are Right ON !!!!
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> I'm glad I'm teaching my kids that popularity is a
> scam and that materialism is a one-way ticket to
> Hell. The only thing that matters in this world is
> family and a few genuine friends you meet along
> the way. Everything else is bullshit and should be
> viewed that way.
You are Right ON !!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
matt is back
()
Date: September 20, 2007 11:01PM
> About that one-way ticket to Hell...
Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgive our debtors...For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your heavenly Father will not forgive your sins
(Matt 6:12, 14, 15).
Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgive our debtors...For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your heavenly Father will not forgive your sins
(Matt 6:12, 14, 15).
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To Navy Mom
()
Date: September 20, 2007 11:05PM
Navy MoM Wrote:
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> MIssed the top secret PTO Navy Elementary website,
> seems you can find Fairfax Underground just fine!
> PTO Meeting, dates and times are posted! Check it
> out some time.
Your sarcastic note suggests that the PTO website was advertised "well" before the September 5 meeting. I know that we did not get the information about the PTO meeting until after the first day of school, which was September 4.
That is not a lot of notice.
Looks like you found Fairfax Underground, too!! How about that.
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> MIssed the top secret PTO Navy Elementary website,
> seems you can find Fairfax Underground just fine!
> PTO Meeting, dates and times are posted! Check it
> out some time.
Your sarcastic note suggests that the PTO website was advertised "well" before the September 5 meeting. I know that we did not get the information about the PTO meeting until after the first day of school, which was September 4.
That is not a lot of notice.
Looks like you found Fairfax Underground, too!! How about that.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: September 20, 2007 11:56PM
I wouldn't give a dime to the PTO unless they hire a lawyer to sue Litsa.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Parent
()
Date: September 21, 2007 12:36AM
Lurker. Wrote:
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> I wouldn't give a dime to the PTO unless they hire
> a lawyer to sue Litsa.
It really makes you wonder why some individuals have a problem with trying to collect, doesn't it? hmmmmmmm. Just because you "think" you might not be able to collect now, doesn't mean that will be the case in the future. What is the aversion?
We wouldn't have to hire anyone, if an attorney within the Navy community could step up to volunteer, give some direction or advice as to how to proceed, and help determine what questions should be asked and actions taken in order to collect. With 800+ families, someone has got to have a legal background.
Suggestions anyone?
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> I wouldn't give a dime to the PTO unless they hire
> a lawyer to sue Litsa.
It really makes you wonder why some individuals have a problem with trying to collect, doesn't it? hmmmmmmm. Just because you "think" you might not be able to collect now, doesn't mean that will be the case in the future. What is the aversion?
We wouldn't have to hire anyone, if an attorney within the Navy community could step up to volunteer, give some direction or advice as to how to proceed, and help determine what questions should be asked and actions taken in order to collect. With 800+ families, someone has got to have a legal background.
Suggestions anyone?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
navy
()
Date: September 21, 2007 05:45AM
there is no aversion to making litsa own up to her crimes, that's why she was arrested.
everyone wants litsa to pay for what she did to the entire community. some people just have a different view on what that would be. some believe that being arrested, going to court, hopefully jail and making restitution will be justice served. others want more. you want other people to step up and volunteer to spend the next couple of years keeping track of her financial records and hunting down every cent. that's alot of precious volunteer time, better spent helping the children. in the alternative, you suggest the pto hire an attorney and spend their money on legal fees instead of at the school.
if you personally spoke to the current PTO president and she is not planning to do this, why do you keep harrassing the point? this is the person navy chose as its leader, this is how she is choosing to lead.
everyone wants litsa to pay for what she did to the entire community. some people just have a different view on what that would be. some believe that being arrested, going to court, hopefully jail and making restitution will be justice served. others want more. you want other people to step up and volunteer to spend the next couple of years keeping track of her financial records and hunting down every cent. that's alot of precious volunteer time, better spent helping the children. in the alternative, you suggest the pto hire an attorney and spend their money on legal fees instead of at the school.
if you personally spoke to the current PTO president and she is not planning to do this, why do you keep harrassing the point? this is the person navy chose as its leader, this is how she is choosing to lead.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Bob James
()
Date: September 21, 2007 06:04AM
That's surely fallacious reasoning. If the woman is found guilty, she should be sentenced as prescribed by law. She also should be fined and or make restitution for the monies she stole (if so convicted). The PTO president is not above the law. One may wish to examine this person's motives for not seeking prosecuting. It is time to follow the money trail.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Right the Navy Ship
()
Date: September 21, 2007 07:31AM
I think ultimately we all have the same goal to prosecute and get Navy's money. Each side does not like the other methods. Bickering on line is a waste. The advice to call the DA is good, maybe supeona her "friends", the former auditor Mrs. Mattfeld used to audit Navy's supposed books, seeking restitution through this prosecution is good, BUT a real effort should be to aide CYA & Boosters to come forward and to prove a pattern. I am sure Navy would be willing to help CYA & Boosters find their embezzled monies. Always a paper trail. Use your energy to FIND AN ATTORNEY.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Bob James
()
Date: September 21, 2007 08:54AM
Concur. It's disappointing that the innocent parties have to PAY for a lawyer. You are the victims of possible fraud by this alleged unscrupulous woman. Perhaps there's a "victims' fund?"
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom 1994-2005
()
Date: September 21, 2007 08:55AM
navy Wrote:
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> why don't we just focus on the criminal who stole
> the money from us? why are some of you trying to
> blame the other pta volunteers? some of you
> former and current moms are stating that you've
> been very active at navy and also members of the
> pta. why didn't you know? why didn't you speak
> up? why the big focus on cya and the high school?
> what do you want people to say? the entire
> community has been conned by litsa. the police
> arrested litsa and no one else. doesn't that make
> it clear on who is responsible. 20-20 hindsite is
> a wonderful thing. cheers
why didn't we know?
we weren't officers of the PTA
we weren't the treasurer
we weren't responsible for keeping track of the money
we weren't the principal
I was a volunteer, doing the grunt work, I wasn't in charge I wasn't responsible for funds.I wasn't walking around telling the volunteers what to do... I wasn't collecting the funds and depositing them, and deciding what to do with the funds.
But the women who were Officers of the PTA and the principal were.
I am not blaming anyone or pointing fingers, I want everyone who was involved to be held accountable
these are questions that need to be answered so this never happens again. I have a right to ask these questions and to have them answered.
worse case senario... others were involved
Best case senario.. they were negligent.
It is not clear that Litsa was alone in all this.
why the focus on CYA and the Chanttilly Boosters?
because they were robbed also and they are silent.
we'll never know how much she stole from them because she stole cash.
But what safeguards have they put in place to make sure this doesn't happen again?
why are you so defensive?
-------------------------------------------------------
> why don't we just focus on the criminal who stole
> the money from us? why are some of you trying to
> blame the other pta volunteers? some of you
> former and current moms are stating that you've
> been very active at navy and also members of the
> pta. why didn't you know? why didn't you speak
> up? why the big focus on cya and the high school?
> what do you want people to say? the entire
> community has been conned by litsa. the police
> arrested litsa and no one else. doesn't that make
> it clear on who is responsible. 20-20 hindsite is
> a wonderful thing. cheers
why didn't we know?
we weren't officers of the PTA
we weren't the treasurer
we weren't responsible for keeping track of the money
we weren't the principal
I was a volunteer, doing the grunt work, I wasn't in charge I wasn't responsible for funds.I wasn't walking around telling the volunteers what to do... I wasn't collecting the funds and depositing them, and deciding what to do with the funds.
But the women who were Officers of the PTA and the principal were.
I am not blaming anyone or pointing fingers, I want everyone who was involved to be held accountable
these are questions that need to be answered so this never happens again. I have a right to ask these questions and to have them answered.
worse case senario... others were involved
Best case senario.. they were negligent.
It is not clear that Litsa was alone in all this.
why the focus on CYA and the Chanttilly Boosters?
because they were robbed also and they are silent.
we'll never know how much she stole from them because she stole cash.
But what safeguards have they put in place to make sure this doesn't happen again?
why are you so defensive?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: September 21, 2007 09:34AM
Just a reminder of a past post:
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by: Tammy Goldstein (IP Logged)
Date: August 30, 2007 02:07PM
I know because she was my boss at the Trade Association in Washington. She was there from 1988-1992ish. She was the Manager of Meetings and Expositions and Membership. It was a very job, she had quite a bit of clout. Example of what she did... We would have a meeting of 500 people at the Waldorf Astoria in NYC...as the Manager of Meetings she would go to the hotel and ask for $1000 for tip money or whaever.... As the contact she would never be questioned by the hotel and as the person in our organization who had complete control over the bill she would bury it somewhere never to be found by auditors...internal finance dept...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by: Tammy Goldstein (IP Logged)
Date: August 30, 2007 02:07PM
I know because she was my boss at the Trade Association in Washington. She was there from 1988-1992ish. She was the Manager of Meetings and Expositions and Membership. It was a very job, she had quite a bit of clout. Example of what she did... We would have a meeting of 500 people at the Waldorf Astoria in NYC...as the Manager of Meetings she would go to the hotel and ask for $1000 for tip money or whaever.... As the contact she would never be questioned by the hotel and as the person in our organization who had complete control over the bill she would bury it somewhere never to be found by auditors...internal finance dept...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
truth seeker
()
Date: September 21, 2007 11:01AM
To Navy Mom,
I would have been at the meeting however, as I did not learn about this criminal act until after the meeting (which as I mentioned I did not know about) I don't regularly surf the web for this type of information. My time is spent at work and caring for my children and did I mention working a second job so I can provide for them in a legal way. I am not embarrassed by the fact that I have to work two jobs to make ends meet, it sure beats stealing. I apoligize if I hit a nerve by exposing the parties she held for her children. Yes the children are innocent to her wrong doings but my children didn't get to host a multi thousand dollar tea party at the Hyatt or have a birthday party with a DJ at Century Oaks for about 100 of the "popular" kids. But that is OK my children are being brought up to understand the importance of a hard days work and the value of a dollar. And before you even think about it... no I am not jealous or envious of the groups that attended these affairs (nor are my kids). One other thing about this, I did volunteer at Navy for some events and I always had to take a vacation day but it was well worth it for me and my children. I will always remember those days for what they were and not what they are being talked about now.
To all, asking if an attorney will step forward from the Navy community, you will be hard pressed number one to get one "pro bono" and two they will not tell you this, but this type of case will not be good for thier business. There are many familes split on this and either way they go, to "volunteer" for this case will lose them 50% of any future business from either Navy/CYA/Chantilly. If you are sincer about legal council you need to pay a retainer and get a quality lawyer without ties to the community.
I would have been at the meeting however, as I did not learn about this criminal act until after the meeting (which as I mentioned I did not know about) I don't regularly surf the web for this type of information. My time is spent at work and caring for my children and did I mention working a second job so I can provide for them in a legal way. I am not embarrassed by the fact that I have to work two jobs to make ends meet, it sure beats stealing. I apoligize if I hit a nerve by exposing the parties she held for her children. Yes the children are innocent to her wrong doings but my children didn't get to host a multi thousand dollar tea party at the Hyatt or have a birthday party with a DJ at Century Oaks for about 100 of the "popular" kids. But that is OK my children are being brought up to understand the importance of a hard days work and the value of a dollar. And before you even think about it... no I am not jealous or envious of the groups that attended these affairs (nor are my kids). One other thing about this, I did volunteer at Navy for some events and I always had to take a vacation day but it was well worth it for me and my children. I will always remember those days for what they were and not what they are being talked about now.
To all, asking if an attorney will step forward from the Navy community, you will be hard pressed number one to get one "pro bono" and two they will not tell you this, but this type of case will not be good for thier business. There are many familes split on this and either way they go, to "volunteer" for this case will lose them 50% of any future business from either Navy/CYA/Chantilly. If you are sincer about legal council you need to pay a retainer and get a quality lawyer without ties to the community.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: September 21, 2007 11:15AM
So it looks like Litsa stole the money to buy some friends. What a looser.
As for the attorney I disagree about it being bad PR, I for one would certainly throw some business to the attorney. As for the other 50%(probably more like 20%) that support Litsa, the attorney probably wouldn't want them any way since they probably wouldn't pay.
And yes, I do think Litsa will play the fat, noboby likes me, have pitty on me, card. I'm so sick of hearing that excuse!
As for the attorney I disagree about it being bad PR, I for one would certainly throw some business to the attorney. As for the other 50%(probably more like 20%) that support Litsa, the attorney probably wouldn't want them any way since they probably wouldn't pay.
And yes, I do think Litsa will play the fat, noboby likes me, have pitty on me, card. I'm so sick of hearing that excuse!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Agreed?
()
Date: September 21, 2007 11:57AM
DEAR NAVY MOM 1994-2005,
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COHERENT RESPONSE TO THE INCOHERENT EMAIL BELOW, (PART OF YOUR RESPONSE TO WHICH IS ALSO INCLUDED HEREIN). I BELIEVE THAT MOST RATIONAL PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND HOW OUR GOV'T WORKS, HOW PRIVATE INDUSTRY WORKS, AND HOW ORGANIZATIONS LIKE PTA'S ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK, AGREE WITH YOU. THOSE OF US WHO VOLUNTEERED AT NAVY ON A REGULAR BASIS DIDN'T KNOW, DIDN'T SPEAK UP, ETC., BECAUSE WE WEREN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING TRACK OF THE MONEY, ETC. WE WEREN'T INVOLVED IN ANY OF THAT ENOUGH TO EVEN IDENTIFY INCONSISTENCIES, ETC. WE WEREN'T PART OF THE ELECTED BOARD WHO, IN FACT, HAD THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
-------------------------------------------------------
INITIAL EMAIL:
> why don't we just focus on the criminal who stole
> the money from us? why are some of you trying to
> blame the other pta volunteers? some of you
> former and current moms are stating that you've
> been very active at navy and also members of the
> pta. why didn't you know? why didn't you speak
> up? why the big focus on cya and the high school?
> what do you want people to say? the entire
> community has been conned by litsa. the police
> arrested litsa and no one else. doesn't that make
> it clear on who is responsible. 20-20 hindsite is
> a wonderful thing. cheers
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RESPONSE:
why didn't we know?
we weren't officers of the PTA
we weren't the treasurer
we weren't responsible for keeping track of the money
we weren't the principal
I was a volunteer, doing the grunt work, I wasn't in charge I wasn't responsible for funds.I wasn't walking around telling the volunteers what to do... I wasn't collecting the funds and depositing them, and deciding what to do with the funds.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR WRITING ON BEHALF OF ALL THE VOLUNTEERS AT NAVY. AND THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF THE CHANTILLY BOOSTER CLUB'S SILENCE.
ON A SEPARATE NOTE, PEOPLE DISAGREE ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS AT THIS POINT...BUT WHATEVER HAPPENS, OR WHATEVER DIFFERENT PEOPLE BELIEVE SHOULD HAPPEN, IN ORDER FOR NAVY TO MOVE ON, CAN WE AGREE ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE FOLLOWING?:
SECTION OF NAVY NEWSLETTER DATED SEPTEMBER 14, 2007 FROM THE CURRENT PTO PRESIDENT IN HER LETTER TO PARENTS:
"...We'll share our entire budget at our Back to School night as well as our new Financial Policies and Procedures which will safeguard your donations."
CAN WE ALL AGREE THAT THIS NEVER HAPPENED ON BACK TO SCHOOL NIGHT?
I'M NOT WRITING ABOUT THE LEGAL ISSUES WITH LITSA, HERE, ALTHOUGH I CERTAINLY HAVE MY OPINIONS, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE...BUT NAVY WILL NEVER GET BACK TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, FOR THE SAKE OF OUR KIDS, UNLESS THE CURRENT BOARD AND ITS PRESIDENT ACT APPROPRIATELY, IN ALL RESPECTS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COHERENT RESPONSE TO THE INCOHERENT EMAIL BELOW, (PART OF YOUR RESPONSE TO WHICH IS ALSO INCLUDED HEREIN). I BELIEVE THAT MOST RATIONAL PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND HOW OUR GOV'T WORKS, HOW PRIVATE INDUSTRY WORKS, AND HOW ORGANIZATIONS LIKE PTA'S ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK, AGREE WITH YOU. THOSE OF US WHO VOLUNTEERED AT NAVY ON A REGULAR BASIS DIDN'T KNOW, DIDN'T SPEAK UP, ETC., BECAUSE WE WEREN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING TRACK OF THE MONEY, ETC. WE WEREN'T INVOLVED IN ANY OF THAT ENOUGH TO EVEN IDENTIFY INCONSISTENCIES, ETC. WE WEREN'T PART OF THE ELECTED BOARD WHO, IN FACT, HAD THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
-------------------------------------------------------
INITIAL EMAIL:
> why don't we just focus on the criminal who stole
> the money from us? why are some of you trying to
> blame the other pta volunteers? some of you
> former and current moms are stating that you've
> been very active at navy and also members of the
> pta. why didn't you know? why didn't you speak
> up? why the big focus on cya and the high school?
> what do you want people to say? the entire
> community has been conned by litsa. the police
> arrested litsa and no one else. doesn't that make
> it clear on who is responsible. 20-20 hindsite is
> a wonderful thing. cheers
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RESPONSE:
why didn't we know?
we weren't officers of the PTA
we weren't the treasurer
we weren't responsible for keeping track of the money
we weren't the principal
I was a volunteer, doing the grunt work, I wasn't in charge I wasn't responsible for funds.I wasn't walking around telling the volunteers what to do... I wasn't collecting the funds and depositing them, and deciding what to do with the funds.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR WRITING ON BEHALF OF ALL THE VOLUNTEERS AT NAVY. AND THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF THE CHANTILLY BOOSTER CLUB'S SILENCE.
ON A SEPARATE NOTE, PEOPLE DISAGREE ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS AT THIS POINT...BUT WHATEVER HAPPENS, OR WHATEVER DIFFERENT PEOPLE BELIEVE SHOULD HAPPEN, IN ORDER FOR NAVY TO MOVE ON, CAN WE AGREE ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE FOLLOWING?:
SECTION OF NAVY NEWSLETTER DATED SEPTEMBER 14, 2007 FROM THE CURRENT PTO PRESIDENT IN HER LETTER TO PARENTS:
"...We'll share our entire budget at our Back to School night as well as our new Financial Policies and Procedures which will safeguard your donations."
CAN WE ALL AGREE THAT THIS NEVER HAPPENED ON BACK TO SCHOOL NIGHT?
I'M NOT WRITING ABOUT THE LEGAL ISSUES WITH LITSA, HERE, ALTHOUGH I CERTAINLY HAVE MY OPINIONS, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE...BUT NAVY WILL NEVER GET BACK TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, FOR THE SAKE OF OUR KIDS, UNLESS THE CURRENT BOARD AND ITS PRESIDENT ACT APPROPRIATELY, IN ALL RESPECTS.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy
()
Date: September 21, 2007 01:51PM
"""To all, asking if an attorney will step forward from the Navy community, you will be hard pressed number one to get one "pro bono" and two they will not tell you this, but this type of case will not be good for thier business. There are many familes split on this and either way they go, to "volunteer" for this case will lose them 50% of any future business from either Navy/CYA/Chantilly. If you are sincer about legal council you need to pay a retainer and get a quality lawyer without ties to the community."""""
So your telling me an attorney is afraid of what people will think of them? Community Pressure? Future business? This case would be better ADVERTISMENT THAN a gigantic blinking sign on 66. FREE PUB!!! So every attorney has to like his client and believe their innocent too? Strawberry Short Cake's Attorney. Attorney's respresent sweet/good/bad/ugly/evil. Your idea of an attorney had better look for a new occupation.
So your telling me an attorney is afraid of what people will think of them? Community Pressure? Future business? This case would be better ADVERTISMENT THAN a gigantic blinking sign on 66. FREE PUB!!! So every attorney has to like his client and believe their innocent too? Strawberry Short Cake's Attorney. Attorney's respresent sweet/good/bad/ugly/evil. Your idea of an attorney had better look for a new occupation.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy MoM
()
Date: September 21, 2007 02:12PM
Who is Michael H. Cantrell? From the Navy Community? Seems he does not have a problem representing someone from Navy? Litsa might have used him in a former court appearances. Probably a standing retainer with Navy Money!!!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
§
()
Date: September 21, 2007 02:49PM
Ok. This discussion is getting out of hand. It's counter-productive and simply wheel-spinning at this point. Ethically, I cannot represent you even if you paid me, nor can I solicit advice specifically on this matter. I can guide you, however, on where to look for assistance. One avenue you may wish to try is to contact the VA Bar Association to see if they will provide you with the name of a firm or sole practitioner who is looking for pro bono work. You may need to ask them for multiple names in case this matter does not qualify. Different firms have different criteria for how they accept pro bono matters. Given the fact that a PTO operates as a non-profit organization, regardless if you have the tax exempt status or not, you should qualify for some sort of legal assistance for firms who prefer to provide help to organizations who are involved in charity involving children. Also check the America Bar Association. I'm certain that their website has links to pro bono assistance; if for some reason they do not, then call them. If these routes fail, then I would assume that the PTO is a member of a national organization that consults on the operations and administration of PTO's across the country. A quick Google search yielded a couple; PTA (pta.org) and PTO Today. If Navy PTO is a member, then see if they will help fund counsel or at least use their media to disseminate your request for help. They may even have you speak, free of charge, to their counsel on retainer. Yet another route would be to ask professional teacher organizations using the same rationale as above. I'm certain teachers belong to state funded and for-profit associations of which they pay dues. Have one of the involved teachers see if legal assistance is a benefit of membership.
That's my $0.02. Good luck. -§
That's my $0.02. Good luck. -§
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
whore
()
Date: September 21, 2007 03:22PM
i dont think everyone is being fair
she lives in a small apartment
with her husband and two kids
and had no other way to pay for everything
just think of it as borrowing from the school
so she didnt have to live on the streets
she lives in a small apartment
with her husband and two kids
and had no other way to pay for everything
just think of it as borrowing from the school
so she didnt have to live on the streets
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: September 21, 2007 03:54PM
whore Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> i dont think everyone is being fair
> she lives in a small apartment
> with her husband and two kids
> and had no other way to pay for everything
> just think of it as borrowing from the school
> so she didnt have to live on the streets
Oops my bad, perfectly ok for her to steal the money then. LOL!
Stop smoking the crack!
-------------------------------------------------------
> i dont think everyone is being fair
> she lives in a small apartment
> with her husband and two kids
> and had no other way to pay for everything
> just think of it as borrowing from the school
> so she didnt have to live on the streets
Oops my bad, perfectly ok for her to steal the money then. LOL!
Stop smoking the crack!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
truth seeker
()
Date: September 21, 2007 03:57PM
To the last "Navy" Post:(151pm),
I was just stating facts, for at least two weeks now the Navy community has been begging on this blog for a free attorney. By the requests that are still coming in and lack of an "Official" announcement from either the Navy PTO or FC School System it does not appear that a "volunteer has been had. How about we take five grand from the PTO fund for the retainer fee for a good attorney, you know Litsa probably did the same thing.
I was just stating facts, for at least two weeks now the Navy community has been begging on this blog for a free attorney. By the requests that are still coming in and lack of an "Official" announcement from either the Navy PTO or FC School System it does not appear that a "volunteer has been had. How about we take five grand from the PTO fund for the retainer fee for a good attorney, you know Litsa probably did the same thing.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Restitute
()
Date: September 21, 2007 04:01PM
What do you need an attorney for? Talk to the Commonwealth's attorney. See how the trial/plea plays out. Demand restitution, the commonwealth's atty works for the taxpayer, plus there is an election coming up.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy
()
Date: September 21, 2007 04:11PM
Thank you "$.02" for the attorney information. We appreciate the assistance. Embezzlement does not come up everyday. This is our first and last experience.
Navy
Navy
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
$$$$$$$
()
Date: September 21, 2007 04:19PM
ahhhhh.... the $ .02 Litsa didn't get :)!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax Citizen
()
Date: September 21, 2007 04:33PM
Lawyers are abominable and reprehensible over matters such as this situation. I guess the monetary gain is not worth the fight (no 30 pieces of silver--just 30 percent). What happened to the pro bono lawyers? Interesting how quickly the Jena 5, or whatever they are called; the seven VT parents planning to sue the university;and all the others who so quickly are served by lawyers...the little people with a real and sincere grievance take it in the ear. I hope that some of the voyeur lawyers/staff respond.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: September 21, 2007 05:09PM
Holy damn five pages of the Navy PTO trying to figure out what to do.
Its very simple.
GET A LAWYER.
Its very simple.
GET A LAWYER.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Embarassed
()
Date: September 21, 2007 05:22PM
To Fairfax citizen, JENA 6 and the VT parents have REAL concerns and really do need lawyers. The state of VA will take care of the Navy PTO matter, it would be wise of you to not compare situations with this one. There really is no sympathy in the community for residents that go to Navy. If she is guilty, the judicail system that you have so much faith in will render the proper sentence. But all of you need to quit crying about this, let her go to trial face the music and deal with the outcome. I can honestly say that I am embarrassed by my so called neighbors and how they have responded to this. The calls for hurting the children, dragging the husband into it etc... it is deplorable. Her weight and ethnic background should have no bearing on this case, and her kids had nothing to do with it. We all agree if she is guilty she should pay the maximum price, but lets let the auithorities determine that. This pre judging will only hurt the case, you can bet her attorneys will use this board as part of their defense, "how can she get a fair trial when evryone has already made up their mind".
And please quit asking for CYA and the boosters to step forward, she hasn't been accused of stealing from them, and the word of a former so called employee has zero credibility. Basically I am saying we as ADULTS need to do something much more constructive with our time, and put the pressure on the prosucuters, this board has become counter productive and is actually making people sympathetic towards her.
Keep the hate and venom confined to your own glass houses.
Signed Embarrassed Navy Parent.
And please quit asking for CYA and the boosters to step forward, she hasn't been accused of stealing from them, and the word of a former so called employee has zero credibility. Basically I am saying we as ADULTS need to do something much more constructive with our time, and put the pressure on the prosucuters, this board has become counter productive and is actually making people sympathetic towards her.
Keep the hate and venom confined to your own glass houses.
Signed Embarrassed Navy Parent.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy MoM
()
Date: September 21, 2007 06:10PM
Embarassed Wrote:
>
> And please quit asking for CYA and the boosters to
> step forward, she hasn't been accused of stealing
> from them, and the word of a former so called
> employee has zero credibility. Basically I am
> saying we as ADULTS need to do something much more
> constructive with our time, and put the pressure
> on the prosucuters, this board has become counter
> productive and is actually making people
> sympathetic towards her.
>
>
> Signed Embarrassed Navy Parent.
Why not call out CYA/Chantilly Boosters? The seem to be fading into the wood work. How do YOU know she did not embezzle from them? She was not an employee but VOLUNTEER for 5+ years AND we are not asking for rumors BUT paper work, cancelled checks, solid information. She worked with more than CASH. Maybe CYA & Chantilly is just as careless with their donations/FUNDS and just figure it out. OR questionable spending? Bid Awards? Conflict of Interest? Am I getting warm!
SYMPATHETIC? Yeah right. Poor little Litsa embezzled all that money and now people are picking on the innocent victim. HAAAAH!
>
> And please quit asking for CYA and the boosters to
> step forward, she hasn't been accused of stealing
> from them, and the word of a former so called
> employee has zero credibility. Basically I am
> saying we as ADULTS need to do something much more
> constructive with our time, and put the pressure
> on the prosucuters, this board has become counter
> productive and is actually making people
> sympathetic towards her.
>
>
> Signed Embarrassed Navy Parent.
Why not call out CYA/Chantilly Boosters? The seem to be fading into the wood work. How do YOU know she did not embezzle from them? She was not an employee but VOLUNTEER for 5+ years AND we are not asking for rumors BUT paper work, cancelled checks, solid information. She worked with more than CASH. Maybe CYA & Chantilly is just as careless with their donations/FUNDS and just figure it out. OR questionable spending? Bid Awards? Conflict of Interest? Am I getting warm!
SYMPATHETIC? Yeah right. Poor little Litsa embezzled all that money and now people are picking on the innocent victim. HAAAAH!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
THE TRUTH!
()
Date: September 21, 2007 07:37PM
"Former so called employee" CONFIRMED - the TRUTH, she DID it before, Navy was no. 2 embezzlement. Do some research before you open your mouth.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax Citizen
()
Date: September 21, 2007 08:00PM
Dear Embarrassed Navy Parent,
I absolutely concur that all phatic communication must stop and desist. I further agree that we all must be patient to await the district attorney's investigation and decision.
I am agast about previous allegations of this woman's wrong doing and assertions that she may have used the purloined monies to pay for her lawyer, kids' parties, and other "noblesse oblige."
Thank you for your homily about throwing rocks at fragile houses--or something like that...God forbid that we embarrass the ignorant husband and especially the joyful children at the parties. Let's abide and see what the papers report.
* * * * *
"Fraud and prevarication are servile vices. They sometimes grow out
of the necessities, always out of the habits, of slavish and degenerate
spirits.... It is an erect countenance, it is a firm adherence to principle,
it is a power of resisting false shame and frivolous fear, that assert our
good faith and honor, and assure to us the confidence of mankind."
-Edmund Burke
I absolutely concur that all phatic communication must stop and desist. I further agree that we all must be patient to await the district attorney's investigation and decision.
I am agast about previous allegations of this woman's wrong doing and assertions that she may have used the purloined monies to pay for her lawyer, kids' parties, and other "noblesse oblige."
Thank you for your homily about throwing rocks at fragile houses--or something like that...God forbid that we embarrass the ignorant husband and especially the joyful children at the parties. Let's abide and see what the papers report.
* * * * *
"Fraud and prevarication are servile vices. They sometimes grow out
of the necessities, always out of the habits, of slavish and degenerate
spirits.... It is an erect countenance, it is a firm adherence to principle,
it is a power of resisting false shame and frivolous fear, that assert our
good faith and honor, and assure to us the confidence of mankind."
-Edmund Burke
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
truth seeker
()
Date: September 21, 2007 08:36PM
Fairfax Citizen,
You my friend are no Edmund Burke, nor should this thief be associated with such a profound thought. I do believe in our judicial system however we all know it does have its faults and a good lawyer will make use of these faults.
As far as saying that the previous dismissal for embezzlement is not useful you are wrong there.
Anyone remeber how good those $8.00 box lunches were a the end of year party, I bet they only cost 5 dollars. The hundred dollar flowers for princpal Hand that looked like they came from giant!
CYA you should speak up before the official inquiries start coming and this may be before you can get your books untangled. How about you charger fans you are all very quiet about this. I didn't see Litsa at the game last night against Westfields... no free tickets
You my friend are no Edmund Burke, nor should this thief be associated with such a profound thought. I do believe in our judicial system however we all know it does have its faults and a good lawyer will make use of these faults.
As far as saying that the previous dismissal for embezzlement is not useful you are wrong there.
Anyone remeber how good those $8.00 box lunches were a the end of year party, I bet they only cost 5 dollars. The hundred dollar flowers for princpal Hand that looked like they came from giant!
CYA you should speak up before the official inquiries start coming and this may be before you can get your books untangled. How about you charger fans you are all very quiet about this. I didn't see Litsa at the game last night against Westfields... no free tickets
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax Citizen
()
Date: September 21, 2007 08:59PM
truth seeker,
You're either some kid from a disadvantaged school or an adult with limited English skills confused by several dissimilar posts. I have no friends like that and I'm pleased that you appreciate Mr. Burke's "profound thought." I may have erred to think that it fit the alleged, egregious situation in this thread--my apologies, if that is True. And, yes, lawyers are our friends. Somehow throwing stones at glass houses didn't seem right, either. And, now, truth seeker, you throw free Charger fans' tickets into the melee? Keep stirring the pot. Good luck Diogenes.
You're either some kid from a disadvantaged school or an adult with limited English skills confused by several dissimilar posts. I have no friends like that and I'm pleased that you appreciate Mr. Burke's "profound thought." I may have erred to think that it fit the alleged, egregious situation in this thread--my apologies, if that is True. And, yes, lawyers are our friends. Somehow throwing stones at glass houses didn't seem right, either. And, now, truth seeker, you throw free Charger fans' tickets into the melee? Keep stirring the pot. Good luck Diogenes.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
bulldog
()
Date: September 21, 2007 09:22PM
I think he meant "discounted" booster passes not free tickets!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To Truth Seeker and Agreed
()
Date: September 21, 2007 09:26PM
Dear Truth Seeker,
You are not alone, friend. It is very unfortunate that a few Navy citizens writing on this forum seem hesitant to allow any other questions to be asked. They seem very defensive at anyone questioning the situation further and seeking other ideas that might be appropriate under the circumstances. This is surprising, because no real details have been shared about what happened, how it happened, and what the options may be for us as a community other than rumor or the short paragraph we were able to read in the paper. Perhaps they are aware of additional inconsistencies that would bring other individuals into the light and they are trying to prevent that. (This can be the only rational conclusion I can think of.) Perhaps those people will be asked to testify on October 30?
I find it very suspicious that these folks just want to let it rest with Litsa being tried and convicted. That's all they want, nothing more....not even to collect. It seems as if they are afraid if any "other" questions are asked (other than what "they" want asked) that additional unsavory information might come out. It makes one even more suspicious as to why there is so much road-blocking to finding the "whole" truth and proceeding accordingly.
Dear Agreed,
I am in agreement with you. NOTHING about the "new Financial Policies and Procedures which will safeguard your donations" was discussed at Back to School Night !! I was very surprised that it was not discussed or at least "touched upon."
I thought someone said the minutes of the last PTO meeting would be published on the "new site." But I don't see anything yet.
Perhaps those of us, who were not notified of the September 5 meeting in time to attend, will be afforded the same opportunity to ask questions at the next meeting. I hope so.
You are not alone, friend. It is very unfortunate that a few Navy citizens writing on this forum seem hesitant to allow any other questions to be asked. They seem very defensive at anyone questioning the situation further and seeking other ideas that might be appropriate under the circumstances. This is surprising, because no real details have been shared about what happened, how it happened, and what the options may be for us as a community other than rumor or the short paragraph we were able to read in the paper. Perhaps they are aware of additional inconsistencies that would bring other individuals into the light and they are trying to prevent that. (This can be the only rational conclusion I can think of.) Perhaps those people will be asked to testify on October 30?
I find it very suspicious that these folks just want to let it rest with Litsa being tried and convicted. That's all they want, nothing more....not even to collect. It seems as if they are afraid if any "other" questions are asked (other than what "they" want asked) that additional unsavory information might come out. It makes one even more suspicious as to why there is so much road-blocking to finding the "whole" truth and proceeding accordingly.
Dear Agreed,
I am in agreement with you. NOTHING about the "new Financial Policies and Procedures which will safeguard your donations" was discussed at Back to School Night !! I was very surprised that it was not discussed or at least "touched upon."
I thought someone said the minutes of the last PTO meeting would be published on the "new site." But I don't see anything yet.
Perhaps those of us, who were not notified of the September 5 meeting in time to attend, will be afforded the same opportunity to ask questions at the next meeting. I hope so.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
truth seeker
()
Date: September 21, 2007 09:48PM
Thanks for the support, I believe that the FCPD will do a complete and thorough investigation into this In the coming weeks I beleive subpeonas and warrants will be served on other individuals ( let me clarify, I don't mean a arrest warrants). There are going to be some shocked people that will be served, if she (and her lawyer) believe she is going down she is going to try and drag others through this. This will (she hopes) enable her to plea, however we as a community need to stand tall and strong. Do what is right for our children and to teach them right from wrong.
Dophins stay strong and continue to voice your concerns, thought, questions and civil comments here. Remeber it WAS Litsa not her children and that is important. Those kids have and deserve a future.
Dophins stay strong and continue to voice your concerns, thought, questions and civil comments here. Remeber it WAS Litsa not her children and that is important. Those kids have and deserve a future.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Embarrassed
()
Date: September 21, 2007 10:15PM
To The Truth! unless you have the "confirmed" documents in your hand, it is hearsay.
If all her volunteer work at CYA and CHS boosters revolved around cash, there is no way to prove she stole anything. LET IT GO!!!! At this point only GOD and the legal system can judge her. Let them do their job.
If all her volunteer work at CYA and CHS boosters revolved around cash, there is no way to prove she stole anything. LET IT GO!!!! At this point only GOD and the legal system can judge her. Let them do their job.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Community Voices
()
Date: September 22, 2007 01:11AM
The fallout from Mrs. Mattfeld's actions continues to outrage the entire community. It is time to harness that energy and collectively put it toward seeking justice through the courts.
To that end, a letter/petition has begun circulation in the Navy community and throughout the surrounding area. Volunteers will be canvasing affected neighborhoods and local events providing people opportunities to participate in this effort. Everyone is welcome to read and sign the letter thereby adding your voice to the collective community seeking justice for Mrs. Mattfeld in the Courts.
Anyone needing further information can contact NavyCommunityVoices@yahoo.com
To that end, a letter/petition has begun circulation in the Navy community and throughout the surrounding area. Volunteers will be canvasing affected neighborhoods and local events providing people opportunities to participate in this effort. Everyone is welcome to read and sign the letter thereby adding your voice to the collective community seeking justice for Mrs. Mattfeld in the Courts.
Anyone needing further information can contact NavyCommunityVoices@yahoo.com
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
124C41
()
Date: September 22, 2007 04:57AM
I noted a team of premier lawyers on line at http://www.gglawva.com/
GOLDEN & GOLDEN, P.C.
ATTORNEYS AND COUNSELLORS AT LAW
10627 Jones Street, Suite 101B
Fairfax, Virginia 22030
(703) 691-0117
The lawyers' curriculum vitae and bona fides are impressive.
It may be presumptuous of me to nominate this firm. At least, it may be worth a call by one of the Navy school concerned parents.
GOLDEN & GOLDEN, P.C.
ATTORNEYS AND COUNSELLORS AT LAW
10627 Jones Street, Suite 101B
Fairfax, Virginia 22030
(703) 691-0117
The lawyers' curriculum vitae and bona fides are impressive.
It may be presumptuous of me to nominate this firm. At least, it may be worth a call by one of the Navy school concerned parents.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
THE TRUTH!!
()
Date: September 22, 2007 08:15AM
Embarrassed Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> To The Truth! unless you have the "confirmed"
> documents in your hand, it is hearsay.
>
> If all her volunteer work at CYA and CHS boosters
> revolved around cash, there is no way to prove she
> stole anything. LET IT GO!!!! At this point only
> GOD and the legal system can judge her. Let them
> do their job.
Glad you can READ documents. The skill will come in handing in the near future. Black and White.
-------------------------------------------------------
> To The Truth! unless you have the "confirmed"
> documents in your hand, it is hearsay.
>
> If all her volunteer work at CYA and CHS boosters
> revolved around cash, there is no way to prove she
> stole anything. LET IT GO!!!! At this point only
> GOD and the legal system can judge her. Let them
> do their job.
Glad you can READ documents. The skill will come in handing in the near future. Black and White.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Community Voices - Thank You
()
Date: September 22, 2007 07:25PM
The fallout from Mrs. Mattfeld's actions continues to outrage the entire community. It is time to harness that energy and collectively put it toward seeking justice through the courts.
To that end, a letter/petition has begun circulation in the Navy community and throughout the surrounding area. Volunteers will be canvasing affected neighborhoods and local events providing people opportunities to participate in this effort. Everyone is welcome to read and sign the letter thereby adding your voice to the collective community seeking justice for Mrs. Mattfeld in the Courts.
Anyone needing further information can contact NavyCommunityVoices@yahoo.com
THANK YOU !!!!
To that end, a letter/petition has begun circulation in the Navy community and throughout the surrounding area. Volunteers will be canvasing affected neighborhoods and local events providing people opportunities to participate in this effort. Everyone is welcome to read and sign the letter thereby adding your voice to the collective community seeking justice for Mrs. Mattfeld in the Courts.
Anyone needing further information can contact NavyCommunityVoices@yahoo.com
THANK YOU !!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WHPayne
()
Date: September 22, 2007 09:11PM
Is Navy a private school or public school?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WHPayne
()
Date: September 22, 2007 09:36PM
Hello all:
I know Litsa from the days when she was last employed and embezzled money from the DC trade association. I just want to say that there is paperwork on this and the police have contacted several of her former bosses/coworkers from her old employer. I've been impressed with the Fairfax police detectives in actually finding some people that are in our old circle that worked together. So feel good that work is being done to build a case.
Although she was never charged in a court of law it does go to show her character. There are many credible people that are happy to collaborate this information. This is big news among a bunch of us that worked with her way back when this happened.
I can certainly understand your outrage and believe me you aren't alone. My hope is that Litsa will be found guilty and at least she will have a criminal record now making it very difficult for her to find employment.
Regarding Navy's need for a lawyer - a school certainly can't operate without having its own lawyer - I'm certain that your school or the school board that oversees you has an attorney. Nobody can operate without an attorney these days!!! Ask your principal about that!!!
Try not to get too heated over the stupid people on this message board. I'm pretty certain that some of these posts are from Litsa herself. The Litsa I knew would never have been able to resist messing with people in this forum. She is the ultimate bully and has a brillant criminal mind.
Good luck!
I know Litsa from the days when she was last employed and embezzled money from the DC trade association. I just want to say that there is paperwork on this and the police have contacted several of her former bosses/coworkers from her old employer. I've been impressed with the Fairfax police detectives in actually finding some people that are in our old circle that worked together. So feel good that work is being done to build a case.
Although she was never charged in a court of law it does go to show her character. There are many credible people that are happy to collaborate this information. This is big news among a bunch of us that worked with her way back when this happened.
I can certainly understand your outrage and believe me you aren't alone. My hope is that Litsa will be found guilty and at least she will have a criminal record now making it very difficult for her to find employment.
Regarding Navy's need for a lawyer - a school certainly can't operate without having its own lawyer - I'm certain that your school or the school board that oversees you has an attorney. Nobody can operate without an attorney these days!!! Ask your principal about that!!!
Try not to get too heated over the stupid people on this message board. I'm pretty certain that some of these posts are from Litsa herself. The Litsa I knew would never have been able to resist messing with people in this forum. She is the ultimate bully and has a brillant criminal mind.
Good luck!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Concerned Parent andCitizen
()
Date: September 22, 2007 09:44PM
Litsa Mattfeld should serve time and pay back the money she stole. She stole from kids. Who get's much lower. But we are afraid the the system will allow her to plea bargain to some lesser crime that lets her off the hook. She stole from the PTA, she stole from an employer, though never charged. She stole from CHantilly High School but they can't come forward because there is no paper trail. The reason she is suspected here is that attendence at football games has increased but not the receipts. She should pay for her crimes.
But the Navy PTO needs to step up and tell their membership what they have done to make sure this does not happen in the future, why was it able to happen in the first place and what bills have not been paid. So far they have shared no information. Step up and talk. Clear the air. Don't hide.
But the Navy PTO needs to step up and tell their membership what they have done to make sure this does not happen in the future, why was it able to happen in the first place and what bills have not been paid. So far they have shared no information. Step up and talk. Clear the air. Don't hide.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
truth seeker
()
Date: September 22, 2007 10:35PM
Does anyone know if Litsa has been officially removed of her duties at chantilly and cya? If she has been removed is this permanent or just until she is proven guilty and then they will open thier books for an audit.
It is only a matter of time before a FOIA is requested by a long standing member of the community with ties to both organizations. Let's get moving on this folkes!!
It is only a matter of time before a FOIA is requested by a long standing member of the community with ties to both organizations. Let's get moving on this folkes!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To WHPayne
()
Date: September 22, 2007 10:49PM
Navy Elementary is a public school, near Fair Oaks Hospital in Fairfax, VA. Litsa was heavily involved with the PTA. She is also involved with our local childrens sports organization, Chantilly Youth Association, and the booster group at Chantilly High School.
Given her relationship with the previous "association" she obviously targets groups that rely on donations etc, hoping that she won't get prosecuted because of negative PR if found out. This time, she happened to prey on groups that support children. It is unfortunate that has taken stealing from children and their school to make sure she gets what she truly deserves this time.
Don't worry....there are plenty of families in this community that will be in court and who have contacted the DA. She will get what she deserves....and then some.
Please thank your previous co-workers for sharing whatever information they can with the Police AND the DA's office.
Given her relationship with the previous "association" she obviously targets groups that rely on donations etc, hoping that she won't get prosecuted because of negative PR if found out. This time, she happened to prey on groups that support children. It is unfortunate that has taken stealing from children and their school to make sure she gets what she truly deserves this time.
Don't worry....there are plenty of families in this community that will be in court and who have contacted the DA. She will get what she deserves....and then some.
Please thank your previous co-workers for sharing whatever information they can with the Police AND the DA's office.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Question
()
Date: September 22, 2007 10:55PM
Has anyone seen the petition from the Navy Community Voices mentioned above?
Is this being managed "outside" of the PTO?
Is this being managed "outside" of the PTO?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Community Voices
()
Date: September 22, 2007 11:46PM
The letter/petition is being circulated by volunteers in the broader Navy Community. It is being well received and is rapidly gaining signatures of support.
The Navy PTO and school officials are aware of and supportive of this effort. Anyone wanting to help with walking the letter/petition around their neighborhood, please contact Navycommunityvoices@yahoo.com. Thank you!
The Navy PTO and school officials are aware of and supportive of this effort. Anyone wanting to help with walking the letter/petition around their neighborhood, please contact Navycommunityvoices@yahoo.com. Thank you!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TRUTH
()
Date: September 23, 2007 09:54AM
What about Navy Elementary's principle? Litsa had to take money that was intended for the school? Fairfax County Public Schools should have a stake in this also. Attorney to represent.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom 1994-2005
()
Date: September 23, 2007 10:20AM
Embarassed Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> To Fairfax citizen, JENA 6 and the VT parents have
> REAL concerns and really do need lawyers. The
> state of VA will take care of the Navy PTO matter,
> it would be wise of you to not compare situations
> with this one. There really is no sympathy in the
> community for residents that go to Navy. If she is
> guilty, the judicail system that you have so much
> faith in will render the proper sentence. But all
> of you need to quit crying about this, let her go
> to trial face the music and deal with the outcome.
> I can honestly say that I am embarrassed by my so
> called neighbors and how they have responded to
> this. The calls for hurting the children, dragging
> the husband into it etc... it is deplorable. Her
> weight and ethnic background should have no
> bearing on this case, and her kids had nothing to
> do with it. We all agree if she is guilty she
> should pay the maximum price, but lets let the
> auithorities determine that. This pre judging will
> only hurt the case, you can bet her attorneys will
> use this board as part of their defense, "how can
> she get a fair trial when evryone has already made
> up their mind".
>
> And please quit asking for CYA and the boosters to
> step forward, she hasn't been accused of stealing
> from them, and the word of a former so called
> employee has zero credibility. Basically I am
> saying we as ADULTS need to do something much more
> constructive with our time, and put the pressure
> on the prosucuters, this board has become counter
> productive and is actually making people
> sympathetic towards her.
>
> Keep the hate and venom confined to your own glass
> houses.
>
> Signed Embarrassed Navy Parent.
you should be embarrassed .
embarrassed by your arrogance, ignorance and lack of outrage!
she has done this before, she made the checks out to her husband. do you mean to tell us that he had no idea what she was up to?
as far as her children, litsa has damaged them and hurt them more than anyone here could ever do.
if she cared about her children more than herself, she never would have taken money from her childrens school, teachers and friends.
-------------------------------------------------------
> To Fairfax citizen, JENA 6 and the VT parents have
> REAL concerns and really do need lawyers. The
> state of VA will take care of the Navy PTO matter,
> it would be wise of you to not compare situations
> with this one. There really is no sympathy in the
> community for residents that go to Navy. If she is
> guilty, the judicail system that you have so much
> faith in will render the proper sentence. But all
> of you need to quit crying about this, let her go
> to trial face the music and deal with the outcome.
> I can honestly say that I am embarrassed by my so
> called neighbors and how they have responded to
> this. The calls for hurting the children, dragging
> the husband into it etc... it is deplorable. Her
> weight and ethnic background should have no
> bearing on this case, and her kids had nothing to
> do with it. We all agree if she is guilty she
> should pay the maximum price, but lets let the
> auithorities determine that. This pre judging will
> only hurt the case, you can bet her attorneys will
> use this board as part of their defense, "how can
> she get a fair trial when evryone has already made
> up their mind".
>
> And please quit asking for CYA and the boosters to
> step forward, she hasn't been accused of stealing
> from them, and the word of a former so called
> employee has zero credibility. Basically I am
> saying we as ADULTS need to do something much more
> constructive with our time, and put the pressure
> on the prosucuters, this board has become counter
> productive and is actually making people
> sympathetic towards her.
>
> Keep the hate and venom confined to your own glass
> houses.
>
> Signed Embarrassed Navy Parent.
you should be embarrassed .
embarrassed by your arrogance, ignorance and lack of outrage!
she has done this before, she made the checks out to her husband. do you mean to tell us that he had no idea what she was up to?
as far as her children, litsa has damaged them and hurt them more than anyone here could ever do.
if she cared about her children more than herself, she never would have taken money from her childrens school, teachers and friends.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
124C41
()
Date: September 23, 2007 10:26AM
Clearly, Navy Elementary's principles should be reviewed. Principles may be compared to standards of learning. Guidelines to stay the moral course; to do what is right; to succeed.
As far as the principal, who makes over $100,000 a year, perhaps this person has been advised to remain silent, until after the investigations are completed. Then we will see to what principles, this principal subscribes.
As far as the principal, who makes over $100,000 a year, perhaps this person has been advised to remain silent, until after the investigations are completed. Then we will see to what principles, this principal subscribes.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
truth seeker
()
Date: September 23, 2007 10:42AM
Subpeona the entire PTO/PTA board members for the last six years, get a list of all volunteers and start interviewing all of these people as potential witnesses for the prosecution. Get receipts from all the caterering firms she used, entertainment at the picnics, flower shops, school supplies, navy Office petty cash box(?), etc...
Find out who worked the cash box with her at the Charger games, who counted the money with her at these games? If you had a position at at anyone of these functions with her NOW is the time for you to step up and contact the FCPD.
JUST DO IT!!!
Find out who worked the cash box with her at the Charger games, who counted the money with her at these games? If you had a position at at anyone of these functions with her NOW is the time for you to step up and contact the FCPD.
JUST DO IT!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To Truth Seeker - Question
()
Date: September 23, 2007 11:26AM
In an earlier post you commented about a party or parties at Century Oak with a DJ. Litsa does NOT live in Century Oak. How would she have been able to use our club house? I live in the neighborhood, have kids at Navy....."we" were NOT invited and knew nothing about it. When did this occur, for what purpose was the party(s), and do you know who paid for it? Just curious. Thanks.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: September 23, 2007 02:24PM
To Truth Seeker - Question Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> In an earlier post you commented about a party or
> parties at Century Oak with a DJ. Litsa does NOT
> live in Century Oak. How would she have been able
> to use our club house? I live in the
> neighborhood, have kids at Navy....."we" were NOT
> invited and knew nothing about it. When did this
> occur, for what purpose was the party(s), and do
> you know who paid for it? Just curious. Thanks.
People who do not live in Century Oak can rent the clubhouse for private parties.
-------------------------------------------------------
> In an earlier post you commented about a party or
> parties at Century Oak with a DJ. Litsa does NOT
> live in Century Oak. How would she have been able
> to use our club house? I live in the
> neighborhood, have kids at Navy....."we" were NOT
> invited and knew nothing about it. When did this
> occur, for what purpose was the party(s), and do
> you know who paid for it? Just curious. Thanks.
People who do not live in Century Oak can rent the clubhouse for private parties.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Party
()
Date: September 23, 2007 04:24PM
former navy mom Wrote:
> People who do not live in Century Oak can rent the
> clubhouse for private parties.
Do you know if Litsa rented the clubhouse and for what purpose? Was it a Navy event?
> People who do not live in Century Oak can rent the
> clubhouse for private parties.
Do you know if Litsa rented the clubhouse and for what purpose? Was it a Navy event?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
navyite
()
Date: September 23, 2007 04:40PM
Itwas for a joint birthday party, yes you can rent the club house, and I guess you didn't make the cut for the popular list either. Maybe some of the invited guests would like to chime in here in give more information. I have more facts but lets give someone else a chance to voice.
As was mentioned it was a bithday party for her child, NOT a navy event but neither was the "tea at Tysons"
As was mentioned it was a bithday party for her child, NOT a navy event but neither was the "tea at Tysons"
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: September 23, 2007 06:30PM
It's petty to get into what parties she had for her kids and who was invited.
"popular Kids" ???? PLEEEASSSEEEEE
aren't we beyond that nonsense?
I never imangined that at my age, people would still be playing that game.
I don't really care what she spent the money on.... we'll never know .
for all we know that money is now in a overseas account.
unfortunatly, even if the DA finds she has overseas accounts there is no way Navy can get the money back.
sigh........
I guess all we can do is show up on Oct 30 at 2:00 and show the judge that people are outraged at what she's done. that might put enough pressure on the court NOT to let her plea to a lesser charge.
as far as that silly notion of finding a pro bono lawyer. please forget it.
no lawyer is going to take that case and the county and school board are not going to file a civil suit against her.
"popular Kids" ???? PLEEEASSSEEEEE
aren't we beyond that nonsense?
I never imangined that at my age, people would still be playing that game.
I don't really care what she spent the money on.... we'll never know .
for all we know that money is now in a overseas account.
unfortunatly, even if the DA finds she has overseas accounts there is no way Navy can get the money back.
sigh........
I guess all we can do is show up on Oct 30 at 2:00 and show the judge that people are outraged at what she's done. that might put enough pressure on the court NOT to let her plea to a lesser charge.
as far as that silly notion of finding a pro bono lawyer. please forget it.
no lawyer is going to take that case and the county and school board are not going to file a civil suit against her.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Pissed
()
Date: September 23, 2007 07:42PM
To Former Navy Mom:
Why are you so sure that Navy cannot and will not be able to get "any" money back. Where did you get your information?
How do you know what money or property she may come into in the future. If the checks were deposited into her husband's account, he is an accomplice. Both of them can be sued in civil court. If nothing else, "his" wages can be garnished...since her fat ass can't seem to get a real job involving real work.
Stop being a nay-sayer. Litsa is hoping comments like the one you are making, will enable her to get away with this YET AGAIN.
She should pay this money back if it takes her the rest of her life. I don't care if it is $1 at a time. Remember this is a pattern....she will do it again, if she can. Stop enabling her to screw other innocent folks by not "attempting" to collect, at least.
What is with you people?
Why are you so sure that Navy cannot and will not be able to get "any" money back. Where did you get your information?
How do you know what money or property she may come into in the future. If the checks were deposited into her husband's account, he is an accomplice. Both of them can be sued in civil court. If nothing else, "his" wages can be garnished...since her fat ass can't seem to get a real job involving real work.
Stop being a nay-sayer. Litsa is hoping comments like the one you are making, will enable her to get away with this YET AGAIN.
She should pay this money back if it takes her the rest of her life. I don't care if it is $1 at a time. Remember this is a pattern....she will do it again, if she can. Stop enabling her to screw other innocent folks by not "attempting" to collect, at least.
What is with you people?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Party???
()
Date: September 23, 2007 07:54PM
navyite Wrote:
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> Itwas for a joint birthday party, yes you can rent
> the club house, and I guess you didn't make the
> cut for the popular list either. Maybe some of
> the invited guests would like to chime in here in
> give more information. I have more facts but lets
> give someone else a chance to voice.
>
> As was mentioned it was a bithday party for her
> child, NOT a navy event but neither was the "tea
> at Tysons"
WE MUST NOT BE IN THE CLIQUE EITHER. PLEASE DON'T WAIT FOR OTHERS TO SHARE INFORMATION, THEY PROBABLY WON'T. PLEASE GO AHEAD AND SHARE THE FACTS YOU HAVE. I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THE CHECK WAS WRITTEN FROM THE NAVY PTA ACCOUNT? OR PERHAPS TRANSFERRED TO HER "HUSBAND'S" ACCOUNT FIRST.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Itwas for a joint birthday party, yes you can rent
> the club house, and I guess you didn't make the
> cut for the popular list either. Maybe some of
> the invited guests would like to chime in here in
> give more information. I have more facts but lets
> give someone else a chance to voice.
>
> As was mentioned it was a bithday party for her
> child, NOT a navy event but neither was the "tea
> at Tysons"
WE MUST NOT BE IN THE CLIQUE EITHER. PLEASE DON'T WAIT FOR OTHERS TO SHARE INFORMATION, THEY PROBABLY WON'T. PLEASE GO AHEAD AND SHARE THE FACTS YOU HAVE. I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THE CHECK WAS WRITTEN FROM THE NAVY PTA ACCOUNT? OR PERHAPS TRANSFERRED TO HER "HUSBAND'S" ACCOUNT FIRST.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Look Inside
()
Date: September 23, 2007 10:49PM
Many of you are cruel individuals, and very immature as well. I would love to know how many of you are overweight yourselves and more importantly how many of you are God fearing Republicans who support the Bush administration! $180K is a drop in the bucket compared to the billions of dollars of you poor PTA parents’ money wasted by Bush and his cronies! How many of you have been involved in the large scale fleecing of America by the current Republican administration? How many HALLIBURTON employees? Speaking of stealing taxpayers money! How many government employees in this stone-throwing group who take 3 hour lunches, leave early and come in late, and have that typical government employee entitlement mentality? How many holier then thou, church going, Christians who are nothing but hypocrites and hateful deep down? Look inside if you want to see the real ugliness people!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: September 23, 2007 11:01PM
I can't think of a much crueler behavior than stealing from kids which is what Litsa does.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Look Inside Yourself
()
Date: September 23, 2007 11:04PM
No matter what you say....you can't justify what YOU did. It won't work.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
look inside
()
Date: September 23, 2007 11:10PM
All I have done is stated my opinion after reading all of these postings (yourself). If you think I am Litsa, you are sorely mistaken. I just am amazed at the juvenile postings of some of you.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TRUTH
()
Date: September 23, 2007 11:29PM
You should also know that there are MANY who have posted on this site who are:
1. Not Cruel or immature
2. Not over-weight
3. Not Republicans and did not vote for Bush
5. Not Halliburton or Government Employees who take advantage
6. Not Holier than thou or even Christian for that matter
7, Not Hypicrites or hateful
You should also note that "we" DID NOT embezzle (for the second time) $180,000 from children, their teachers, and their school. "We" will, however, see that justice is served.
1. Not Cruel or immature
2. Not over-weight
3. Not Republicans and did not vote for Bush
5. Not Halliburton or Government Employees who take advantage
6. Not Holier than thou or even Christian for that matter
7, Not Hypicrites or hateful
You should also note that "we" DID NOT embezzle (for the second time) $180,000 from children, their teachers, and their school. "We" will, however, see that justice is served.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Truth
()
Date: September 24, 2007 06:41AM
I have to agree with WHPayne. Just reading some of the postings, it is Litsa. She is motivating people to write. More twisted Litsa. Pitiful. Reduced to a blog.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: September 24, 2007 07:06AM
Dear Pissed,
Common sense, experience and maturity tells me that the school will not file a civil suit.
your wanting her to write a $1.00 check to the school for the rest of her life tells me that you are not living in the real world and are out ffor petty revenge, NOT justice.
The money is gone. Try facing that fact.
It will be enough for me if she goes to prision for 5-10 years with a felony conviction.
She will carry that felony for the rest of her life.
will she do this again? Probably.
Not much you or I can do about that
I'm sorry if my "naysaying" has rained on your parade of petty, childish revenge.
Common sense, experience and maturity tells me that the school will not file a civil suit.
your wanting her to write a $1.00 check to the school for the rest of her life tells me that you are not living in the real world and are out ffor petty revenge, NOT justice.
The money is gone. Try facing that fact.
It will be enough for me if she goes to prision for 5-10 years with a felony conviction.
She will carry that felony for the rest of her life.
will she do this again? Probably.
Not much you or I can do about that
I'm sorry if my "naysaying" has rained on your parade of petty, childish revenge.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Truth
()
Date: September 24, 2007 07:21AM
former navy mom = Litsa It is a sunny day! Might be raining on Collis Oak Court.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: September 24, 2007 07:26AM
Look Inside Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Many of you are cruel individuals, and very
> immature as well. I would love to know how many of
> you are overweight yourselves and more importantly
> how many of you are God fearing Republicans who
> support the Bush administration! $180K is a drop
> in the bucket compared to the billions of dollars
> of you poor PTA parents’ money wasted by Bush and
> his cronies! How many of you have been involved in
> the large scale fleecing of America by the current
> Republican administration? How many HALLIBURTON
> employees? Speaking of stealing taxpayers money!
> How many government employees in this
> stone-throwing group who take 3 hour lunches,
> leave early and come in late, and have that
> typical government employee entitlement mentality?
> How many holier then thou, church going,
> Christians who are nothing but hypocrites and
> hateful deep down? Look inside if you want to see
> the real ugliness people!
you must be litsa.
tell me litsa, how do you look your children in the eye?
what will happen to them if both you and your husband fo to jail?
you're a Sociopath
here is the profile of a Sociopath
Glibness and Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Incapacity for Love
Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
YOU stole over 180,000 from friends and neighbors.
Let's just hope I never run into you on the street, I am not afraid to confront you like the other women around here... I'm not a very good "christian"
Maybe being confined to a jail cell for 5-10 years will help you find your moral compass
I intend to do everything in my power to make sure you go to jail.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Many of you are cruel individuals, and very
> immature as well. I would love to know how many of
> you are overweight yourselves and more importantly
> how many of you are God fearing Republicans who
> support the Bush administration! $180K is a drop
> in the bucket compared to the billions of dollars
> of you poor PTA parents’ money wasted by Bush and
> his cronies! How many of you have been involved in
> the large scale fleecing of America by the current
> Republican administration? How many HALLIBURTON
> employees? Speaking of stealing taxpayers money!
> How many government employees in this
> stone-throwing group who take 3 hour lunches,
> leave early and come in late, and have that
> typical government employee entitlement mentality?
> How many holier then thou, church going,
> Christians who are nothing but hypocrites and
> hateful deep down? Look inside if you want to see
> the real ugliness people!
you must be litsa.
tell me litsa, how do you look your children in the eye?
what will happen to them if both you and your husband fo to jail?
you're a Sociopath
here is the profile of a Sociopath
Glibness and Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Incapacity for Love
Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
YOU stole over 180,000 from friends and neighbors.
Let's just hope I never run into you on the street, I am not afraid to confront you like the other women around here... I'm not a very good "christian"
Maybe being confined to a jail cell for 5-10 years will help you find your moral compass
I intend to do everything in my power to make sure you go to jail.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Embarrassed
()
Date: September 24, 2007 08:15AM
To: former navy mom 1994-2005, as I mentioned before, this board is board is counter productive, all the "facts" that you guys talk about, checks written to her husband, overseas accounts etc... doesn't it seem like you are all reaching. Upset about your kids not getting invited to the "party" it is SO SAD.
The individual talking about the Bush administration, that is pure lunacy!!!!
You all have reached new lows in your life, this incident has apparently consumed you, being 'outraged" will not recover the money, trying to find out how she paid for a party that your kids weren't invited too, come on, accusing her husband of being involved, where's the proof?
At this point all we know is wht has been reported in the news, everything else is speculation ans will not hold up in court. Again I am embarrassed to call you people my neighbors, do yourselves a favor, tend yo your own homes, and make sure your spouses aren't embezzling and hiding money overseas. Sounds kinda ridiculous huh? Almost as ridiculous as wondering why you weren't invited to the "popular kids" party.
Ignorance is bliss, thank you for noticing former navy mom 1994-2005.
Signed:
Even more Embarrassed!!!!
The individual talking about the Bush administration, that is pure lunacy!!!!
You all have reached new lows in your life, this incident has apparently consumed you, being 'outraged" will not recover the money, trying to find out how she paid for a party that your kids weren't invited too, come on, accusing her husband of being involved, where's the proof?
At this point all we know is wht has been reported in the news, everything else is speculation ans will not hold up in court. Again I am embarrassed to call you people my neighbors, do yourselves a favor, tend yo your own homes, and make sure your spouses aren't embezzling and hiding money overseas. Sounds kinda ridiculous huh? Almost as ridiculous as wondering why you weren't invited to the "popular kids" party.
Ignorance is bliss, thank you for noticing former navy mom 1994-2005.
Signed:
Even more Embarrassed!!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: September 24, 2007 09:19AM
Is this the new Litsa strategy? LOL Her new spin? Try blaming somebody else, the parents of Navy and say it's their fault, that they should be embarrassed and forget about it?
Give me a break. There's only one person who should be embarrassed here and that's Litsa!
She's the person who stole $180,000 from the kids of Navy. She's the one who should be embarrassed!
And yes, she certainly be sued and have to pay back every penny. The money is not gone, Litsa is responsible for it and she should give it back, no matter how long it takes.
As for her not being able to get a job? I doubt she has one now.
Give me a break. There's only one person who should be embarrassed here and that's Litsa!
She's the person who stole $180,000 from the kids of Navy. She's the one who should be embarrassed!
And yes, she certainly be sued and have to pay back every penny. The money is not gone, Litsa is responsible for it and she should give it back, no matter how long it takes.
As for her not being able to get a job? I doubt she has one now.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 24, 2007 09:57AM
Look Inside Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Many of you are cruel individuals, and very
> immature as well. I would love to know how many of
> you are overweight yourselves and more importantly
> how many of you are God fearing Republicans who
> support the Bush administration! $180K is a drop
> in the bucket compared to the billions of dollars
> of you poor PTA parents’ money wasted by Bush and
> his cronies! How many of you have been involved in
> the large scale fleecing of America by the current
> Republican administration? How many HALLIBURTON
> employees? Speaking of stealing taxpayers money!
> How many government employees in this
> stone-throwing group who take 3 hour lunches,
> leave early and come in late, and have that
> typical government employee entitlement mentality?
> How many holier then thou, church going,
> Christians who are nothing but hypocrites and
> hateful deep down? Look inside if you want to see
> the real ugliness people!
I have to agree that this must be written by Litsa. Who else would drag the Bush Administration and Halliburton into a discussion about someone allegedly stealing money from the coffers of a PTA in NoVA?
In any case - for whoever this is - voting for an idiot for President or taking a three-hour lunch isn't the same as COMMITTING A FELONY. Get a clue.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Many of you are cruel individuals, and very
> immature as well. I would love to know how many of
> you are overweight yourselves and more importantly
> how many of you are God fearing Republicans who
> support the Bush administration! $180K is a drop
> in the bucket compared to the billions of dollars
> of you poor PTA parents’ money wasted by Bush and
> his cronies! How many of you have been involved in
> the large scale fleecing of America by the current
> Republican administration? How many HALLIBURTON
> employees? Speaking of stealing taxpayers money!
> How many government employees in this
> stone-throwing group who take 3 hour lunches,
> leave early and come in late, and have that
> typical government employee entitlement mentality?
> How many holier then thou, church going,
> Christians who are nothing but hypocrites and
> hateful deep down? Look inside if you want to see
> the real ugliness people!
I have to agree that this must be written by Litsa. Who else would drag the Bush Administration and Halliburton into a discussion about someone allegedly stealing money from the coffers of a PTA in NoVA?
In any case - for whoever this is - voting for an idiot for President or taking a three-hour lunch isn't the same as COMMITTING A FELONY. Get a clue.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
dk
()
Date: September 24, 2007 10:01AM
Shouldn't GRAVIS (posts on Aug. 26 Aug. 31) be arrested for making terroristic threats ? These 2 posts are beyond, childish, insensitive and ignorant - they are criminal. I hope the Fairfax police or FBI can track down Gravis and throw him/her/it in the slammer. Gravis obviously poses a much greater threat to society than the accused subject of this blog.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 24, 2007 10:13AM
What Gravis wrote is absurd and moronic, like most of what he writes. It is hardly a terrorist threat or criminal, though.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: September 24, 2007 10:29AM
dk Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Shouldn't GRAVIS (posts on Aug. 26 Aug. 31) be
> arrested for making terroristic threats ? These 2
> posts are beyond, childish, insensitive and
> ignorant - they are criminal. I hope the Fairfax
> police or FBI can track down Gravis and throw
> him/her/it in the slammer. Gravis obviously poses
> a much greater threat to society than the accused
> subject of this blog.
The answer is no.
Now who might want us to change the topic here? Litsa is that U?
Still stealing from little kids?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Shouldn't GRAVIS (posts on Aug. 26 Aug. 31) be
> arrested for making terroristic threats ? These 2
> posts are beyond, childish, insensitive and
> ignorant - they are criminal. I hope the Fairfax
> police or FBI can track down Gravis and throw
> him/her/it in the slammer. Gravis obviously poses
> a much greater threat to society than the accused
> subject of this blog.
The answer is no.
Now who might want us to change the topic here? Litsa is that U?
Still stealing from little kids?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: September 24, 2007 12:39PM
Embarrassed Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> To: former navy mom 1994-2005, as I mentioned
> before, this board is board is counter productive,
> all the "facts" that you guys talk about, checks
> written to her husband, overseas accounts etc...
> doesn't it seem like you are all reaching. Upset
> about your kids not getting invited to the "party"
> it is SO SAD.
>
> The individual talking about the Bush
> administration, that is pure lunacy!!!!
>
> You all have reached new lows in your life, this
> incident has apparently consumed you, being
> 'outraged" will not recover the money, trying to
> find out how she paid for a party that your kids
> weren't invited too, come on, accusing her husband
> of being involved, where's the proof?
>
> At this point all we know is wht has been reported
> in the news, everything else is speculation ans
> will not hold up in court. Again I am embarrassed
> to call you people my neighbors, do yourselves a
> favor, tend yo your own homes, and make sure your
> spouses aren't embezzling and hiding money
> overseas. Sounds kinda ridiculous huh? Almost as
> ridiculous as wondering why you weren't invited to
> the "popular kids" party.
>
> Ignorance is bliss, thank you for noticing former
> navy mom 1994-2005.
>
> Signed:
>
> Even more Embarrassed!!!!
You shoulld be embarrassed by your ignorance. The Police told the PTO that some of the checks were written out to her husband.
If you knew anything besides how to be an arrogant judgmental twit, you would know that it's easy to hide stolen money.
Is your defintion of "productive" coming on a message board and insulting everyone on it?
or is that how you get off ?
You should be embarrassed, you're a condensending, arrogant , self important twit.
-------------------------------------------------------
> To: former navy mom 1994-2005, as I mentioned
> before, this board is board is counter productive,
> all the "facts" that you guys talk about, checks
> written to her husband, overseas accounts etc...
> doesn't it seem like you are all reaching. Upset
> about your kids not getting invited to the "party"
> it is SO SAD.
>
> The individual talking about the Bush
> administration, that is pure lunacy!!!!
>
> You all have reached new lows in your life, this
> incident has apparently consumed you, being
> 'outraged" will not recover the money, trying to
> find out how she paid for a party that your kids
> weren't invited too, come on, accusing her husband
> of being involved, where's the proof?
>
> At this point all we know is wht has been reported
> in the news, everything else is speculation ans
> will not hold up in court. Again I am embarrassed
> to call you people my neighbors, do yourselves a
> favor, tend yo your own homes, and make sure your
> spouses aren't embezzling and hiding money
> overseas. Sounds kinda ridiculous huh? Almost as
> ridiculous as wondering why you weren't invited to
> the "popular kids" party.
>
> Ignorance is bliss, thank you for noticing former
> navy mom 1994-2005.
>
> Signed:
>
> Even more Embarrassed!!!!
You shoulld be embarrassed by your ignorance. The Police told the PTO that some of the checks were written out to her husband.
If you knew anything besides how to be an arrogant judgmental twit, you would know that it's easy to hide stolen money.
Is your defintion of "productive" coming on a message board and insulting everyone on it?
or is that how you get off ?
You should be embarrassed, you're a condensending, arrogant , self important twit.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
look inside
()
Date: September 24, 2007 12:40PM
Well I am glad to see that you all seem to be getting back on track dealing with the crime vs. making personal, immature attacks on Litsa's physical appearance. I totally agree that if she is guilty she should be held responsible, but my point is before you jump on the lynch mob wagon that some on this site have been attempting to get going, look at your own lives and little white lies and try to be a bit more humane.
You are coming across as a bunch of berserk PTA Moms and Dads at this point. I do not even live in VA, let alone your Stepford community. Thank god!
You are coming across as a bunch of berserk PTA Moms and Dads at this point. I do not even live in VA, let alone your Stepford community. Thank god!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
look inside
()
Date: September 24, 2007 12:55PM
In response to
<>
I knew you were Republicans and government employees! Voting twice for an idiot president is worse then a FELONY in my book!!! You are probably writing all of this on taxpayer's computers and time too!!
The Bush administration is raiding all of the coffers, not just your PTA piggybank!!! Wake up! Your kids are already screwed. This country is going to be reeling from the arrogance of the Bush mistakes and misdeeds for decades!! If only any of you spent as much time reacting to that as you do this, maybe we would not be in such a huge and devastating hole as we are!!
<>
I knew you were Republicans and government employees! Voting twice for an idiot president is worse then a FELONY in my book!!! You are probably writing all of this on taxpayer's computers and time too!!
The Bush administration is raiding all of the coffers, not just your PTA piggybank!!! Wake up! Your kids are already screwed. This country is going to be reeling from the arrogance of the Bush mistakes and misdeeds for decades!! If only any of you spent as much time reacting to that as you do this, maybe we would not be in such a huge and devastating hole as we are!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Comments
()
Date: September 24, 2007 12:56PM
dk and others:
Hi. Do you think that you could possibly take a deep yoga-type breath and try to calm down about Gravis's earlier comments here? I was offended by his jokes about Litsa's kids, myself. But my husband, nice, caring guy that he is, wasn't. We talked about it. I hafta say that to me this may just be one of those Women are from Venus, and Men are from Mars things. Humor that people like you and I don't find the least bit funny, actually offensive, but nevertheless humor, appealing to some people and not to others.---In this case, to me, possibly splitting along gender lines to some extent. Who knows? But, anyway, if you're looking for jail time for these types of people, they're going to be sharing cells with a lot of tv comedians, on and off cable...(So before you answer this email or write something else on this blog, switch on that remote and get a pen and paper out to write letters to the appropriate authorities about what you see...) I don't care if you're Litsa or not...Either way, this type of log entry just goes off target from the subject at hand: the embezzlement. If you keep writing this stuff, fine, we'll continue to just scroll through your entry, but geez, what a bother.
To those referring to glass houses, let he who has not sinned cast the first stone..., you people are just going for money and revenge, etc.:
First of all, you're right. None of us has a perfect past. But, we, as citizens of this particular country do believe in prosecuting people such as Litsa for offeneses such as this one. It may surprise you to know that people who have no connection to Navy whatsoever---who could never be seen as seeking revenge nor be recipients of any money garnered---also believe in prosecuting this type of criminal. Why, I'd even take time to sit on a jury in a case that had nothing to do with me simply because I'd see that as my civic duty. Crazy, huh? Once again, I think this blog may be the wrong venue for you, as well.(And again, before you enter a quick-scroll-through comment, perhaps you need to act in some political meaningful way to further your particular beliefs.)
To those of you who just want everybody to sit tight, and let the justice system do its thing:
I encourage you to do some research on how many offenses like Ms. Mattfelds are plea bargained down to almost nothing. That's why our particular court system and country allows for petitions, etc., to allow citizens to have a voice about the importance they feel should be put on a particular case...It all may be kind of complicated and time-consuming for you to learn about, though...(Perhaps you and the people mentioned above could buddy up?)
To almost everybody else:
I applaud your efforts and know that much of the information on this blog has been helpful in reaching what we all know to be important: justice.
Hi. Do you think that you could possibly take a deep yoga-type breath and try to calm down about Gravis's earlier comments here? I was offended by his jokes about Litsa's kids, myself. But my husband, nice, caring guy that he is, wasn't. We talked about it. I hafta say that to me this may just be one of those Women are from Venus, and Men are from Mars things. Humor that people like you and I don't find the least bit funny, actually offensive, but nevertheless humor, appealing to some people and not to others.---In this case, to me, possibly splitting along gender lines to some extent. Who knows? But, anyway, if you're looking for jail time for these types of people, they're going to be sharing cells with a lot of tv comedians, on and off cable...(So before you answer this email or write something else on this blog, switch on that remote and get a pen and paper out to write letters to the appropriate authorities about what you see...) I don't care if you're Litsa or not...Either way, this type of log entry just goes off target from the subject at hand: the embezzlement. If you keep writing this stuff, fine, we'll continue to just scroll through your entry, but geez, what a bother.
To those referring to glass houses, let he who has not sinned cast the first stone..., you people are just going for money and revenge, etc.:
First of all, you're right. None of us has a perfect past. But, we, as citizens of this particular country do believe in prosecuting people such as Litsa for offeneses such as this one. It may surprise you to know that people who have no connection to Navy whatsoever---who could never be seen as seeking revenge nor be recipients of any money garnered---also believe in prosecuting this type of criminal. Why, I'd even take time to sit on a jury in a case that had nothing to do with me simply because I'd see that as my civic duty. Crazy, huh? Once again, I think this blog may be the wrong venue for you, as well.(And again, before you enter a quick-scroll-through comment, perhaps you need to act in some political meaningful way to further your particular beliefs.)
To those of you who just want everybody to sit tight, and let the justice system do its thing:
I encourage you to do some research on how many offenses like Ms. Mattfelds are plea bargained down to almost nothing. That's why our particular court system and country allows for petitions, etc., to allow citizens to have a voice about the importance they feel should be put on a particular case...It all may be kind of complicated and time-consuming for you to learn about, though...(Perhaps you and the people mentioned above could buddy up?)
To almost everybody else:
I applaud your efforts and know that much of the information on this blog has been helpful in reaching what we all know to be important: justice.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 24, 2007 12:56PM
look inside Wrote:
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> You are coming across as a bunch of berserk PTA
> Moms and Dads at this point.
If someone stole $180K from you, you might be a little berserk, too.
As for Litsa's appearance, she is disgustingly fat. That is a fact. It might be cruel to say if she were a kind, giving person. However, she appears to be just as ugly on the inside as she is on the outside, so I don't have a problem pointing out how grotesque she is.
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> You are coming across as a bunch of berserk PTA
> Moms and Dads at this point.
If someone stole $180K from you, you might be a little berserk, too.
As for Litsa's appearance, she is disgustingly fat. That is a fact. It might be cruel to say if she were a kind, giving person. However, she appears to be just as ugly on the inside as she is on the outside, so I don't have a problem pointing out how grotesque she is.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 24, 2007 12:58PM
look inside Wrote:
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> In response to
> <>
>
> I knew you were Republicans and government
> employees! Voting twice for an idiot president is
> worse then a FELONY in my book!!! You are probably
> writing all of this on taxpayer's computers and
> time too!!
> The Bush administration is raiding all of the
> coffers, not just your PTA piggybank!!! Wake up!
> Your kids are already screwed. This country is
> going to be reeling from the arrogance of the Bush
> mistakes and misdeeds for decades!! If only any of
> you spent as much time reacting to that as you do
> this, maybe we would not be in such a huge and
> devastating hole as we are!!
Is it too much to ask for you to stay on topic, Litsa?
Speaking about being on government computers, that's where you will be posting these messages from should you be convicted.
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> In response to
> <>
>
> I knew you were Republicans and government
> employees! Voting twice for an idiot president is
> worse then a FELONY in my book!!! You are probably
> writing all of this on taxpayer's computers and
> time too!!
> The Bush administration is raiding all of the
> coffers, not just your PTA piggybank!!! Wake up!
> Your kids are already screwed. This country is
> going to be reeling from the arrogance of the Bush
> mistakes and misdeeds for decades!! If only any of
> you spent as much time reacting to that as you do
> this, maybe we would not be in such a huge and
> devastating hole as we are!!
Is it too much to ask for you to stay on topic, Litsa?
Speaking about being on government computers, that's where you will be posting these messages from should you be convicted.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax Citizen
()
Date: September 24, 2007 01:00PM
> look inside <
While it may be true that the unattractive Greek lady, allegedly gave gifts with purloined monies taken from children, the adage of "beware when Greeks come bearing gifts" may well fit this situation.
The allusion to the "Stepford Wives" eludes me. Surely the diversity of outraged parents and varying opinions negates such a stupid metaphor. And don't be so fast to judge the sincerity, concern, and contempt of the Fairfax citizens for what appears to be repeated bad behavior.
You are rather presumptuous and hypocritical in your condemnation and unfounded accusations.
We thank God that YOU do not live in the Commonwealth. Voyeurs and interlopers like you, do not belong in this forum.
While it may be true that the unattractive Greek lady, allegedly gave gifts with purloined monies taken from children, the adage of "beware when Greeks come bearing gifts" may well fit this situation.
The allusion to the "Stepford Wives" eludes me. Surely the diversity of outraged parents and varying opinions negates such a stupid metaphor. And don't be so fast to judge the sincerity, concern, and contempt of the Fairfax citizens for what appears to be repeated bad behavior.
You are rather presumptuous and hypocritical in your condemnation and unfounded accusations.
We thank God that YOU do not live in the Commonwealth. Voyeurs and interlopers like you, do not belong in this forum.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
FFX Stepford Wife
()
Date: September 24, 2007 01:08PM
Stepford Wives, eh? That would explain why someone so un-Stepford Wife-like like Litsa would be entrusted with so much responsiblity. If people in Fairfax judged people solely on the way they look, Litsa never would have had access to the money in the first place.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
truth seeker
()
Date: September 24, 2007 01:48PM
Enough already, I originally thought this forum was pretty good, now I am not so sure with where many of the topics are going. I do agree with many of you and actually some of the stuff that is written that I don't feel should be on here I agree with it and feel it is probably true.
You all know not everything on here is going to be one hundred percent accurate. However, it did shed the light on the previous embezzlement, the parties, the potential lifting of more cash from CYA and CHS. These are all good, this may have opened more leads for FCPD to follow. And if she does plea down maybe it will be for multiple charges instead of just the Navy charge due to the information that was brough up in this blog and all the other ones that may be out there.
Come 10/30 we will see who is hiding behind the keyboards and will also see those that REALLY want to see justice served. Does anyone know if former members of the Navy PTO/PTA have been questioned, what about volunteers? If they are and have to swear to a deposition then we will really see who is saying what as opposed to who is hiding behind their keyboards. If I were a volunteer or member I would be #1 in line at the Fair Oaks station to give any information I may have had.
This woman needs to go to jail and we as a community MUST make sure it happens. Keep the posts coming, let your voices be heard.
"In GOD we trust" all others we polygraph!
You all know not everything on here is going to be one hundred percent accurate. However, it did shed the light on the previous embezzlement, the parties, the potential lifting of more cash from CYA and CHS. These are all good, this may have opened more leads for FCPD to follow. And if she does plea down maybe it will be for multiple charges instead of just the Navy charge due to the information that was brough up in this blog and all the other ones that may be out there.
Come 10/30 we will see who is hiding behind the keyboards and will also see those that REALLY want to see justice served. Does anyone know if former members of the Navy PTO/PTA have been questioned, what about volunteers? If they are and have to swear to a deposition then we will really see who is saying what as opposed to who is hiding behind their keyboards. If I were a volunteer or member I would be #1 in line at the Fair Oaks station to give any information I may have had.
This woman needs to go to jail and we as a community MUST make sure it happens. Keep the posts coming, let your voices be heard.
"In GOD we trust" all others we polygraph!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: September 24, 2007 02:42PM
truth seeker Wrote:
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> Enough already, I originally thought this forum
> was pretty good, now I am not so sure with where
> many of the topics are going. I do agree with
> many of you and actually some of the stuff that is
> written that I don't feel should be on here I
> agree with it and feel it is probably true.
>
> You all know not everything on here is going to be
> one hundred percent accurate. However, it did
> shed the light on the previous embezzlement, the
> parties, the potential lifting of more cash from
> CYA and CHS. These are all good, this may have
> opened more leads for FCPD to follow. And if she
> does plea down maybe it will be for multiple
> charges instead of just the Navy charge due to the
> information that was brough up in this blog and
> all the other ones that may be out there.
>
> Come 10/30 we will see who is hiding behind the
> keyboards and will also see those that REALLY want
> to see justice served. Does anyone know if former
> members of the Navy PTO/PTA have been questioned,
> what about volunteers? If they are and have to
> swear to a deposition then we will really see who
> is saying what as opposed to who is hiding behind
> their keyboards. If I were a volunteer or member I
> would be #1 in line at the Fair Oaks station to
> give any information I may have had.
>
> This woman needs to go to jail and we as a
> community MUST make sure it happens. Keep the
> posts coming, let your voices be heard.
>
> "In GOD we trust" all others we polygraph!
excellent post.
I have not heard if former officers of the PTA were questioned. I'm sure the PTO was since they are now in charge of all assets ( or what's left of them)
I don't know if there are PTO officers who held PTA office last year.
anyone here know?
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> Enough already, I originally thought this forum
> was pretty good, now I am not so sure with where
> many of the topics are going. I do agree with
> many of you and actually some of the stuff that is
> written that I don't feel should be on here I
> agree with it and feel it is probably true.
>
> You all know not everything on here is going to be
> one hundred percent accurate. However, it did
> shed the light on the previous embezzlement, the
> parties, the potential lifting of more cash from
> CYA and CHS. These are all good, this may have
> opened more leads for FCPD to follow. And if she
> does plea down maybe it will be for multiple
> charges instead of just the Navy charge due to the
> information that was brough up in this blog and
> all the other ones that may be out there.
>
> Come 10/30 we will see who is hiding behind the
> keyboards and will also see those that REALLY want
> to see justice served. Does anyone know if former
> members of the Navy PTO/PTA have been questioned,
> what about volunteers? If they are and have to
> swear to a deposition then we will really see who
> is saying what as opposed to who is hiding behind
> their keyboards. If I were a volunteer or member I
> would be #1 in line at the Fair Oaks station to
> give any information I may have had.
>
> This woman needs to go to jail and we as a
> community MUST make sure it happens. Keep the
> posts coming, let your voices be heard.
>
> "In GOD we trust" all others we polygraph!
excellent post.
I have not heard if former officers of the PTA were questioned. I'm sure the PTO was since they are now in charge of all assets ( or what's left of them)
I don't know if there are PTO officers who held PTA office last year.
anyone here know?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Sign the Petition and Come to Court
()
Date: September 24, 2007 03:02PM
"A letter/petition has begun circulation in the Navy community and throughout the surrounding area. Volunteers will be canvasing affected neighborhoods and local events providing people opportunities to participate in this effort. Everyone is welcome to read and sign the letter thereby adding your voice to the collective community seeking justice for Mrs. Mattfeld in the Courts.
Anyone needing further information can contact NavyCommunityVoices@yahoo.com"
In addition to signing the petition, please arrange your schedules now to attend the court hearing October 30 to show your support for justice.
Those with information that my help this case, please contact the FX Co. Police Department.
You may also contact the Common Wealth Attorney's Office yourself directly:
Mr. Raymond Rorrough, Esq.
4110 Chain Bridge Road, Room 123,
Fairfax, VA 22030.
Anyone needing further information can contact NavyCommunityVoices@yahoo.com"
In addition to signing the petition, please arrange your schedules now to attend the court hearing October 30 to show your support for justice.
Those with information that my help this case, please contact the FX Co. Police Department.
You may also contact the Common Wealth Attorney's Office yourself directly:
Mr. Raymond Rorrough, Esq.
4110 Chain Bridge Road, Room 123,
Fairfax, VA 22030.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Look Outside
()
Date: September 24, 2007 04:58PM
I agree with Look Inside, all you self-important drones should get out of your little suburb and take a peek at what is going on in what us normal people call the "real world"!! Litsa had to steal the money, do you know what therapy costs these days? Of course you do, cause you're all nuts!!! The poor fatty had to be on Prozac in order to live in the same community as you people!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
FED UP
()
Date: September 24, 2007 05:33PM
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by: Look Outside (IP Logged)
Date: September 24, 2007 04:58PM
"I agree with Look Inside, all you self-important drones should get out of your little suburb and take a peek at what is going on in what us normal people call the "real world"!! Litsa had to steal the money, do you know what therapy costs these days? Of course you do, cause you're all nuts!!! The poor fatty had to be on Prozac in order to live in the same community as you people!"
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
CAN ALL YOU PEOPLE WITH NO TIES TO THIS SITUATION OR THE NAVY COMMUNITY PLEASE GO BE STUPID SOMEWHERE ELSE?????
Posted by: Look Outside (IP Logged)
Date: September 24, 2007 04:58PM
"I agree with Look Inside, all you self-important drones should get out of your little suburb and take a peek at what is going on in what us normal people call the "real world"!! Litsa had to steal the money, do you know what therapy costs these days? Of course you do, cause you're all nuts!!! The poor fatty had to be on Prozac in order to live in the same community as you people!"
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
CAN ALL YOU PEOPLE WITH NO TIES TO THIS SITUATION OR THE NAVY COMMUNITY PLEASE GO BE STUPID SOMEWHERE ELSE?????
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
EMBARRASSED
()
Date: September 24, 2007 05:51PM
You shoulld be embarrassed by your ignorance. The Police told the PTO that some of the checks were written out to her husband.
If you knew anything besides how to be an arrogant judgmental twit, you would know that it's easy to hide stolen money.
Is your defintion of "productive" coming on a message board and insulting everyone on it?
or is that how you get off ?
You should be embarrassed, you're a condensending, arrogant , self important twit.
Miss Former Navy Mom 01-05, I am sorry that I have not reached the level of maturity that you have, your venom is amazing. Again, unless you were present at the meeting with the PTO and the police it is heresay.
Unfortunately I will not stoop to your level and resort to name calling. You must be proud of yourself, and I am so glad that you were finally able to use "twit" twice in a paragraph, kudos for you, your family must be proud.
To all of the intelligent people on here, make this board useful, blow off steam, vent, etc... but lets try and keep our eye on the prize, and that is justice for or against the accused.
Signed condensending, arrogant , self important twit. ( thanks Former Navy Mom)
If you knew anything besides how to be an arrogant judgmental twit, you would know that it's easy to hide stolen money.
Is your defintion of "productive" coming on a message board and insulting everyone on it?
or is that how you get off ?
You should be embarrassed, you're a condensending, arrogant , self important twit.
Miss Former Navy Mom 01-05, I am sorry that I have not reached the level of maturity that you have, your venom is amazing. Again, unless you were present at the meeting with the PTO and the police it is heresay.
Unfortunately I will not stoop to your level and resort to name calling. You must be proud of yourself, and I am so glad that you were finally able to use "twit" twice in a paragraph, kudos for you, your family must be proud.
To all of the intelligent people on here, make this board useful, blow off steam, vent, etc... but lets try and keep our eye on the prize, and that is justice for or against the accused.
Signed condensending, arrogant , self important twit. ( thanks Former Navy Mom)
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To Embarrassed
()
Date: September 24, 2007 06:00PM
Litsa,
"YOU" are and should should be....embarrassed
Gosh you have so many names on this board.....kinda like Sybil....stress must bring out your multiple personalities.
"YOU" are and should should be....embarrassed
Gosh you have so many names on this board.....kinda like Sybil....stress must bring out your multiple personalities.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Bob James
()
Date: September 24, 2007 06:09PM
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
new be
()
Date: September 24, 2007 08:28PM
Hey here is something to lighten the mood.... Bob the only way good is going to triumph over eveil is to get Manny back in the line up and have Schilling win a couple big games:) Have a good night folks, Igmust log off my computer now and and go read the Washington times while I watch Bill O'Rielly and then Sean Hannity.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
dk
()
Date: September 24, 2007 08:45PM
To the apparent wife of GRAVIS.
This is DK - I am male (thus "from Mars" like your alleged husband) and I DO NOT "get the jokes" about doing harm to children. And for the record, I generally LOVE offensive humor ! I love Kathy Griffin, for example. Your alleged husband is just a total #%$HOLE. Even though these increasingly absurd blog entries are posted anonymously, he should have enough adult wisdom and tacit knowledge by now (assuming he is over 18) to leave the kids out of it. I seriosly think you should divorce him and thus cut your losses; maybe you should assume a new identity and move to New Jersey or whatever, or put him in a cage with a raw piece of meat and some chewing tobacco.
DK
This is DK - I am male (thus "from Mars" like your alleged husband) and I DO NOT "get the jokes" about doing harm to children. And for the record, I generally LOVE offensive humor ! I love Kathy Griffin, for example. Your alleged husband is just a total #%$HOLE. Even though these increasingly absurd blog entries are posted anonymously, he should have enough adult wisdom and tacit knowledge by now (assuming he is over 18) to leave the kids out of it. I seriosly think you should divorce him and thus cut your losses; maybe you should assume a new identity and move to New Jersey or whatever, or put him in a cage with a raw piece of meat and some chewing tobacco.
DK
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The Truth
()
Date: September 24, 2007 09:25PM
Anyone done a little research on Litsa? She has been in court two other times and one currently pending. Can anyone guess what for and YES actual court documents, court times, court dates, convictions. Black and white. Real papers. NOT made up. Take a trip to the Fairfax County court house if you don't believe me. No Rumors. Does not include the Association embezzlement which they never pressed charges. Still probably kicking themselves for that one. I will be there on October 30th. Freedom of Information Act Baby! Use it!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Curious
()
Date: September 24, 2007 09:30PM
Haven't had time to do "that" kind of research. Was hoping the Police might have done that, hopefully....If they haven't, please tell them.
Whatcha find out?? Do tell...
Whatcha find out?? Do tell...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
??
()
Date: September 24, 2007 10:17PM
Are you talking about the "warrants in debt" for her and her husband?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Community
()
Date: September 25, 2007 06:33AM
Julie A. Jellar Anyone know anything about this person or the court case with Litsa? Please post information. Anything.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
People Finder
()
Date: September 25, 2007 07:20AM
On people finders....there is a Julia A. Morris (Grand Rapids, MI) related to a Jennifer Jeller (Age 37)
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy
()
Date: September 25, 2007 08:34AM
FYI - Julie A. Jeller - NOT Jellar
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Community Voices
()
Date: September 25, 2007 02:07PM
There is a scheduled PTO meeting at Navy Elementary School from 9AM-10AM next Tuesday, October 2, in the Media Center. This is a regularly scheduled meeting and is on your school calendars.
The meeting will encompass the usual agenda items. There will also be an opportunity to use your voice and sign the Navy Community letter/petition to the Commonwealth's Attorney regarding Mrs. Mattfeld's criminal case.
All Navy PTO members are invited and urged to attend.
The meeting will encompass the usual agenda items. There will also be an opportunity to use your voice and sign the Navy Community letter/petition to the Commonwealth's Attorney regarding Mrs. Mattfeld's criminal case.
All Navy PTO members are invited and urged to attend.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
§
()
Date: September 25, 2007 02:20PM
I might show up to propose a motion to stop the endless drivel of this thread. Frankly, I'm tired of looking at it and it's starting to give me gas. -§
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 25, 2007 02:48PM
§ Wrote:
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> I might show up to propose a motion to stop the
> endless drivel of this thread. Frankly, I'm tired
> of looking at it and it's starting to give me gas.
> -§
I agree. It's time to stop beating this fat cow...I mean, horse.
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> I might show up to propose a motion to stop the
> endless drivel of this thread. Frankly, I'm tired
> of looking at it and it's starting to give me gas.
> -§
I agree. It's time to stop beating this fat cow...I mean, horse.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Hold ALL Accountable!
()
Date: September 25, 2007 02:52PM
I will be there to ensure that all other PTO board members serving during the period of Mrs. Mattfeld's purloinment are made to answer for their malfeasance and dereliction of fiduciary duty. They either knew or should have known what was going on under their noses. Perhaps, with all the discussion of of retaining an attorney, one issue counsel could explore is recovering from the other board members for breach of fiduciary duty.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: September 25, 2007 03:03PM
Man, this Litsa chick got more posts than the Amanda Wenk thread, yuk! What is this fuckin world comin' to??
§ Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I might show up to propose a motion to stop the
> endless drivel of this thread. Frankly, I'm tired
> of looking at it and it's starting to give me gas.
> -§
§ Wrote:
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> I might show up to propose a motion to stop the
> endless drivel of this thread. Frankly, I'm tired
> of looking at it and it's starting to give me gas.
> -§
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Bob James
()
Date: September 25, 2007 03:35PM
Will Tuesday's meeting provide coffee and donuts? Who will pay for this morning repast? Will Mr. and Mrs. Mattfeld be attending?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 25, 2007 03:41PM
Bob James Wrote:
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1. Will Tuesday's meeting provide coffee and donuts?
Yes, but not for long.
2. Who will pay for this morning repast?
Technically, the PTA...
3, Will Mr. and Mrs. Mattfeld be attending?
See response to question 1.
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1. Will Tuesday's meeting provide coffee and donuts?
Yes, but not for long.
2. Who will pay for this morning repast?
Technically, the PTA...
3, Will Mr. and Mrs. Mattfeld be attending?
See response to question 1.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Community Voices
()
Date: September 25, 2007 04:46PM
Hold ALL Accountable! Wrote:
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> I will be there to ensure that all other PTO board
> members serving during the period of Mrs.
> Mattfeld's purloinment are made to answer for
> their malfeasance and dereliction of fiduciary
> duty. They either knew or should have known what
> was going on under their noses. Perhaps, with all
> the discussion of of retaining an attorney, one
> issue counsel could explore is recovering from the
> other board members for breach of fiduciary duty.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Board members are parent volunteers. Parent volunteers are just that. Parents. And volunteers.
As unfortunate as it was that there was opportunity for embezzlement, lets never forget that Litsa Matteld is the only one who actually acted (repeatedly) on that opportunity. It's hard enough to get parents to volunteer when they are over stretched and over committed as it is. Please lets not blame anybody but the person who actually advantaged herself at the expense of others. Blame the person who stole the money. Litsa Mattfeld.
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> I will be there to ensure that all other PTO board
> members serving during the period of Mrs.
> Mattfeld's purloinment are made to answer for
> their malfeasance and dereliction of fiduciary
> duty. They either knew or should have known what
> was going on under their noses. Perhaps, with all
> the discussion of of retaining an attorney, one
> issue counsel could explore is recovering from the
> other board members for breach of fiduciary duty.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Board members are parent volunteers. Parent volunteers are just that. Parents. And volunteers.
As unfortunate as it was that there was opportunity for embezzlement, lets never forget that Litsa Matteld is the only one who actually acted (repeatedly) on that opportunity. It's hard enough to get parents to volunteer when they are over stretched and over committed as it is. Please lets not blame anybody but the person who actually advantaged herself at the expense of others. Blame the person who stole the money. Litsa Mattfeld.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Hold ALL Accountable!
()
Date: September 25, 2007 05:04PM
I blame Mrs. Mattfeld plenty! However, those who served on the board with her need to be held accountable as well. I am sorry, but if it is too difficult for multipe Treasurers and Finacnial Secretaries to take a look at the books once in a while, they need to answer for it! Volunteer or not, a fiducuary duty entails a duty of care. That duty of care includes reasonable inquiry, as an ordinarily prudent person in a like position would use under similar circumstances. That clearly did not take place in the FIVE year period Mrs. Mattfeld stole from the PTA/PTO. If the volunteers are unwilling to examine the books, an outside accountant should be employed - it would cost less than $180,000. Volunteering for these positions entails more than simply parading around town with your head held above everyone elses; It requires responsibility. If you can't handle or are unwilling, don't take the job!
Finally, all current and future board members need to be willing to submit to financial and criminal background checks and these should be available to the PTO.
Finally, all current and future board members need to be willing to submit to financial and criminal background checks and these should be available to the PTO.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The TRUTH from NAVY
()
Date: September 25, 2007 05:23PM
Mrs. Mattfeld was framed. Set-up by a core of individuals in the community who bizarrely perceived themselves as being "unpopular," and secretly attacked LM for being "popular." Don't let them get their way. REAL Navy parents know the real facts. If there was any substance to ANY of these allegations, this site wouldn't simply be attack after attack on her personal appearance and her children.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: September 25, 2007 05:37PM
The TRUTH from NAVY Wrote:
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> Mrs. Mattfeld was framed. Set-up by a core of
> individuals in the community who bizarrely
> perceived themselves as being "unpopular," and
> secretly attacked LM for being "popular." Don't
> let them get their way. REAL Navy parents know the
> real facts. If there was any substance to ANY of
> these allegations, this site wouldn't simply be
> attack after attack on her personal appearance and
> her children.
Oh God, now it's the OJ defense, framed, LMAO! Yeah over the period of 2001-2006 they secretly got together, took money and deposited in Litsa husbands account, then made him spend the money.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/25/2007 05:46PM by Lurker..
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> Mrs. Mattfeld was framed. Set-up by a core of
> individuals in the community who bizarrely
> perceived themselves as being "unpopular," and
> secretly attacked LM for being "popular." Don't
> let them get their way. REAL Navy parents know the
> real facts. If there was any substance to ANY of
> these allegations, this site wouldn't simply be
> attack after attack on her personal appearance and
> her children.
Oh God, now it's the OJ defense, framed, LMAO! Yeah over the period of 2001-2006 they secretly got together, took money and deposited in Litsa husbands account, then made him spend the money.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/25/2007 05:46PM by Lurker..
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Julie A. Jeller
()
Date: September 25, 2007 06:19PM
Julie A. Jeller has numerous addresses in the MD VA area....also AZ and one location in NJ.
Was she a friend of Litsa's or was she someone that Litsa also took advantage of?
It would be helpful to know that information before anyone called her.
Thanks,
Was she a friend of Litsa's or was she someone that Litsa also took advantage of?
It would be helpful to know that information before anyone called her.
Thanks,
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
ex navy
()
Date: September 25, 2007 06:44PM
I just had pizza and bread sticks delivered because i am too lazy to cook and guess who delivered it? Thats right it was the one and only Litsa. After I tipped her I opened the box and one slice was already gone and I never got my breadsticks :(
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom 1994-2005
()
Date: September 26, 2007 06:00AM
Embarrassed Wrote:
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> To: former navy mom 1994-2005, as I mentioned
> before, this board is board is counter productive,
> all the "facts" that you guys talk about, checks
> written to her husband, overseas accounts etc...
> doesn't it seem like you are all reaching. Upset
> about your kids not getting invited to the "party"
> it is SO SAD.
>
> The individual talking about the Bush
> administration, that is pure lunacy!!!!
>
> You all have reached new lows in your life, this
> incident has apparently consumed you, being
> 'outraged" will not recover the money, trying to
> find out how she paid for a party that your kids
> weren't invited too, come on, accusing her husband
> of being involved, where's the proof?
>
> At this point all we know is wht has been reported
> in the news, everything else is speculation ans
> will not hold up in court. Again I am embarrassed
> to call you people my neighbors, do yourselves a
> favor, tend yo your own homes, and make sure your
> spouses aren't embezzling and hiding money
> overseas. Sounds kinda ridiculous huh? Almost as
> ridiculous as wondering why you weren't invited to
> the "popular kids" party.
>
> Ignorance is bliss, thank you for noticing former
> navy mom 1994-2005.
>
> Signed:
>
> Even more Embarrassed!!!!
Glad to help.
the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem
Good Luck to you.
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> To: former navy mom 1994-2005, as I mentioned
> before, this board is board is counter productive,
> all the "facts" that you guys talk about, checks
> written to her husband, overseas accounts etc...
> doesn't it seem like you are all reaching. Upset
> about your kids not getting invited to the "party"
> it is SO SAD.
>
> The individual talking about the Bush
> administration, that is pure lunacy!!!!
>
> You all have reached new lows in your life, this
> incident has apparently consumed you, being
> 'outraged" will not recover the money, trying to
> find out how she paid for a party that your kids
> weren't invited too, come on, accusing her husband
> of being involved, where's the proof?
>
> At this point all we know is wht has been reported
> in the news, everything else is speculation ans
> will not hold up in court. Again I am embarrassed
> to call you people my neighbors, do yourselves a
> favor, tend yo your own homes, and make sure your
> spouses aren't embezzling and hiding money
> overseas. Sounds kinda ridiculous huh? Almost as
> ridiculous as wondering why you weren't invited to
> the "popular kids" party.
>
> Ignorance is bliss, thank you for noticing former
> navy mom 1994-2005.
>
> Signed:
>
> Even more Embarrassed!!!!
Glad to help.
the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem
Good Luck to you.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
THE TRUTH!!!
()
Date: September 26, 2007 06:42AM
Julie A. Jeller has taken Litsa to court. Not a friend. Seems there is ANOTHER embezzlement case besides the Association embezzlement, Navy embezlement, and (2) court cases. Her husbands name was on the court records. So the theroy he did not know about the embezzlement(s) is false. WHat is Doug's current and past salary/position? Researching the latest for facts. Any information, please post.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: September 26, 2007 08:50AM
THE TRUTH!!! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Julie A. Jeller has taken Litsa to court. Not a
> friend. Seems there is ANOTHER embezzlement case
> besides the Association embezzlement, Navy
> embezlement, and (2) court cases. Her husbands
> name was on the court records. So the theroy he
> did not know about the embezzlement(s) is false.
> WHat is Doug's current and past salary/position?
> Researching the latest for facts. Any
> information, please post.
can you provide a link to your information?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Julie A. Jeller has taken Litsa to court. Not a
> friend. Seems there is ANOTHER embezzlement case
> besides the Association embezzlement, Navy
> embezlement, and (2) court cases. Her husbands
> name was on the court records. So the theroy he
> did not know about the embezzlement(s) is false.
> WHat is Doug's current and past salary/position?
> Researching the latest for facts. Any
> information, please post.
can you provide a link to your information?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Info you requested
()
Date: September 26, 2007 09:13AM
Doug Mattfeld
Manager, Telecom Engineering - AOL
Washington D.C. Metro Area
Current Manager, Telecom Engineering at AOL
Past Senior Manager, Service Delivery at Sprint
Industry Internet
Manager, Telecom Engineering - AOL
Washington D.C. Metro Area
Current Manager, Telecom Engineering at AOL
Past Senior Manager, Service Delivery at Sprint
Industry Internet
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
jester
()
Date: September 26, 2007 09:23AM
I think Litsa was working in the Baskin and Robbins in Herndon. I ordered three scoops of ice cream on a sugar cone, but when I got to my car my girlfriend pointed out there was only one scoop. I wouldn't of even noticed, damn she's quick.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To The TRUTH!!!
()
Date: September 26, 2007 09:57AM
To Former Navy Mom,
I believe that I may have contact information on Julie A. Jeller. (I spoke with a famiy member.) Are you involved with NCV? (I am) How can I speak with you or get more information about the situation. Do you need someone to call her? I'll call her, but was hoping to get more information first, so I can determine the best way to approach her.
Thanks,
Another Concerned Navy Parent
I believe that I may have contact information on Julie A. Jeller. (I spoke with a famiy member.) Are you involved with NCV? (I am) How can I speak with you or get more information about the situation. Do you need someone to call her? I'll call her, but was hoping to get more information first, so I can determine the best way to approach her.
Thanks,
Another Concerned Navy Parent
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
ENOUGH
()
Date: September 26, 2007 04:13PM
Julie A. Jeller has taken Litsa to court. Not a
> friend. Seems there is ANOTHER embezzlement case
> besides the Association embezzlement, Navy
> embezlement, and (2) court cases. Her husbands
> name was on the court records. So the theroy he
> did not know about the embezzlement(s) is false.
> WHat is Doug's current and past salary/position?
> Researching the latest for facts. Any
> information, please post
People, her husbands name was on the court records for a traffic ticket, his kid wasn't wearing a set belt. You guys are really reaching now, if Julie wants to step forward she will, none of the info you get from her will aid the case, unless the prosecuter thinks it's useful. I know you are trying to establish a pattern here, but without concrete proof it will not stand up in court.
Her husband is not a suspect nor is he under investigation, harrassing him is only going to aid in her defense. It is time to shut down this petty board and move on with your lives. The only way we are going to get her convicted is if the evedence agianst her is strong enough to convict and we show up on the 10/30 and put pressure on the SA/DA. This name calling, mudsling, shameful board needs a new approach.
Signed Enough is enough
> friend. Seems there is ANOTHER embezzlement case
> besides the Association embezzlement, Navy
> embezlement, and (2) court cases. Her husbands
> name was on the court records. So the theroy he
> did not know about the embezzlement(s) is false.
> WHat is Doug's current and past salary/position?
> Researching the latest for facts. Any
> information, please post
People, her husbands name was on the court records for a traffic ticket, his kid wasn't wearing a set belt. You guys are really reaching now, if Julie wants to step forward she will, none of the info you get from her will aid the case, unless the prosecuter thinks it's useful. I know you are trying to establish a pattern here, but without concrete proof it will not stand up in court.
Her husband is not a suspect nor is he under investigation, harrassing him is only going to aid in her defense. It is time to shut down this petty board and move on with your lives. The only way we are going to get her convicted is if the evedence agianst her is strong enough to convict and we show up on the 10/30 and put pressure on the SA/DA. This name calling, mudsling, shameful board needs a new approach.
Signed Enough is enough
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Hold ALL Accountable!
()
Date: September 26, 2007 04:21PM
Enough is enough,
Well said. It appears that many on this board do not feel that the duly qualified investigators and prosecutors are capable of doing their jobs. I find that particularly interesting considering that none of Mrs. Mattfeld's colleages on the PTO board were capable of exercising any due diligence. I am not alleging a conspiracy here, but I do believe that they feel the need to show, not the court, but themselves and other navy parents that they were the victims of a highly trained and practiced embezzler and not simply derelict in their own duties by letting her get away with this for five years. By doing this, they probably feel that their status in the community is intact, which couldn't be further from the truth.
Well said. It appears that many on this board do not feel that the duly qualified investigators and prosecutors are capable of doing their jobs. I find that particularly interesting considering that none of Mrs. Mattfeld's colleages on the PTO board were capable of exercising any due diligence. I am not alleging a conspiracy here, but I do believe that they feel the need to show, not the court, but themselves and other navy parents that they were the victims of a highly trained and practiced embezzler and not simply derelict in their own duties by letting her get away with this for five years. By doing this, they probably feel that their status in the community is intact, which couldn't be further from the truth.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The TRUTH!!
()
Date: September 26, 2007 04:28PM
To: Another Concerned Navy Parent,
Regarding Julie A. Jeller. If you have info. please pass on to Fairfax County Police. I will do the same.
To: Enough is enough
Sorry, the (2) court appearances plus one pending, are NOT about traffic tickets. Nice try though, I have dug a little deeper. Her husband is involved, the evidence I have will prove it. His wages can be used to pay Navy back "if he is/was involved." He has an AOL job. Yes, there is a pattern to the Mattfeld's past. I do not intend to harrass Mr. Mattfeld. Just gathering the facts.
Why would you want to shut down this board? Afraid of the truth.
Regarding Julie A. Jeller. If you have info. please pass on to Fairfax County Police. I will do the same.
To: Enough is enough
Sorry, the (2) court appearances plus one pending, are NOT about traffic tickets. Nice try though, I have dug a little deeper. Her husband is involved, the evidence I have will prove it. His wages can be used to pay Navy back "if he is/was involved." He has an AOL job. Yes, there is a pattern to the Mattfeld's past. I do not intend to harrass Mr. Mattfeld. Just gathering the facts.
Why would you want to shut down this board? Afraid of the truth.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
:(
()
Date: September 26, 2007 04:38PM
TO: Hold ALL Accountable!
You are kidding, right? If not, it certainly shows how involved you are. It must be nice to sit and criticize while remaining so incredibly ignorant.
I find it bizarre that you continue to try to put the focus on the other PTO/PTA boards members..
Litsa is a con artist and she totally manipulated and screwed her PTO/PTA, school board, Navy children, volunteers, friends and family over. Not to mention the people that she has screwed over previously, from the Association and who knows where else. She lied, cheated, and stole for years and years. Litsa worked overtime to make sure that she got people to trust her… she probably considered that her profession. Obviously, she did a superb job.
The PTO/PTA board members were volunteering their time to help their children and community. In their wildest dreams, they would never suspect a fellow volunteer of hurting people like Litsa was doing. Most people, unlike some on this thread, don't assume the worst of people, especially if they are working side by side for a good cause.
The PTO/PTA board members were not negligent. They did their jobs exceptionally well. The problem was that there was a conniving, smart, thief of a woman doctoring the books for everyone while she was smiling and pretending to be their leader.
I feel confident in our FCPD that they know how to handle an investigation and bring anyone that was involved to justice.
You are kidding, right? If not, it certainly shows how involved you are. It must be nice to sit and criticize while remaining so incredibly ignorant.
I find it bizarre that you continue to try to put the focus on the other PTO/PTA boards members..
Litsa is a con artist and she totally manipulated and screwed her PTO/PTA, school board, Navy children, volunteers, friends and family over. Not to mention the people that she has screwed over previously, from the Association and who knows where else. She lied, cheated, and stole for years and years. Litsa worked overtime to make sure that she got people to trust her… she probably considered that her profession. Obviously, she did a superb job.
The PTO/PTA board members were volunteering their time to help their children and community. In their wildest dreams, they would never suspect a fellow volunteer of hurting people like Litsa was doing. Most people, unlike some on this thread, don't assume the worst of people, especially if they are working side by side for a good cause.
The PTO/PTA board members were not negligent. They did their jobs exceptionally well. The problem was that there was a conniving, smart, thief of a woman doctoring the books for everyone while she was smiling and pretending to be their leader.
I feel confident in our FCPD that they know how to handle an investigation and bring anyone that was involved to justice.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: September 26, 2007 05:19PM
:( Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> TO: Hold ALL Accountable!
>
> You are kidding, right? If not, it certainly
> shows how involved you are. It must be nice to
> sit and criticize while remaining so incredibly
> ignorant.
>
> I find it bizarre that you continue to try to put
> the focus on the other PTO/PTA boards members..
>
>
>
> The PTO/PTA board members were volunteering their
> time to help their children and community.
>
> The PTO/PTA board members were not negligent.
> They did their jobs exceptionally well. The
> problem was that there was a conniving, smart,
> thief of a woman doctoring the books for everyone
> while she was smiling and pretending to be their
> leader.
>
You don't understand why the focus is on the other members of the PTA?
let me explain it to you.
Litsa was just the president, there were other members of the PTA who were supposed to be responsible with the monies collected.
Decisions were made concerning what to do with the monies by ALL officers of the PTA ... so you had to know how much money you had.
180,000 is a lot of money... Far TOO MUCH money to go missing and have not anyone on the PTA board notice.
so excuse us if we want to know what the hell YOU were doing while holding a PTA office.
Many parents volunteered their time, honey. Not just the Officers of the PTA.
Everyone knows you women made it a social power thing.
One mom even told me that being chairman of an event is better because there is less work to do and it gets you noticed more.... ( she was a piece of work)
Most of the parent volunteers do the grunt work and do not walk around in a self important huff carrying a clipboard... like many of the so called officers of the PTA did while I was there. they stood around patting themselves on the back, while the mom and dad volunteers did all the work.
The PTA board certainly was negligent at best and criminal at worst.
I suggest that the former officers of the PTA get themselves lawyers just to make sure that they can't be held liable for what they allowed Litsa to do by neglecting what they were suppossed to be doing.
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> TO: Hold ALL Accountable!
>
> You are kidding, right? If not, it certainly
> shows how involved you are. It must be nice to
> sit and criticize while remaining so incredibly
> ignorant.
>
> I find it bizarre that you continue to try to put
> the focus on the other PTO/PTA boards members..
>
>
>
> The PTO/PTA board members were volunteering their
> time to help their children and community.
>
> The PTO/PTA board members were not negligent.
> They did their jobs exceptionally well. The
> problem was that there was a conniving, smart,
> thief of a woman doctoring the books for everyone
> while she was smiling and pretending to be their
> leader.
>
You don't understand why the focus is on the other members of the PTA?
let me explain it to you.
Litsa was just the president, there were other members of the PTA who were supposed to be responsible with the monies collected.
Decisions were made concerning what to do with the monies by ALL officers of the PTA ... so you had to know how much money you had.
180,000 is a lot of money... Far TOO MUCH money to go missing and have not anyone on the PTA board notice.
so excuse us if we want to know what the hell YOU were doing while holding a PTA office.
Many parents volunteered their time, honey. Not just the Officers of the PTA.
Everyone knows you women made it a social power thing.
One mom even told me that being chairman of an event is better because there is less work to do and it gets you noticed more.... ( she was a piece of work)
Most of the parent volunteers do the grunt work and do not walk around in a self important huff carrying a clipboard... like many of the so called officers of the PTA did while I was there. they stood around patting themselves on the back, while the mom and dad volunteers did all the work.
The PTA board certainly was negligent at best and criminal at worst.
I suggest that the former officers of the PTA get themselves lawyers just to make sure that they can't be held liable for what they allowed Litsa to do by neglecting what they were suppossed to be doing.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: September 26, 2007 05:34PM
Did the PTA have insurance?
The national PTA may have insurance that will cover the 180,000 litsa stole
If so, they can recover the stolen funds.
this may be a problem, becasue as long as the PTA/PTO get their funds, they might not want to pursue her criminal charges because they are such an embarassment to the former members of the PTA and the Principal
FYI :(
the treasure and the secretary has fudical responsibility...the treasurer is in charge of the books and the secratary co signs all bank access forms.
where were they when litas was stealing the money.
anyone know where to get a copy of the PTA bylaws?
The national PTA may have insurance that will cover the 180,000 litsa stole
If so, they can recover the stolen funds.
this may be a problem, becasue as long as the PTA/PTO get their funds, they might not want to pursue her criminal charges because they are such an embarassment to the former members of the PTA and the Principal
FYI :(
the treasure and the secretary has fudical responsibility...the treasurer is in charge of the books and the secratary co signs all bank access forms.
where were they when litas was stealing the money.
anyone know where to get a copy of the PTA bylaws?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
§
()
Date: September 26, 2007 05:53PM
Actually, this Hold All Accountable person has a valid point. It really all depends on the audit requirements of the PTO. This should be outlined in the PTO by-laws if such a provision exists. If the books are NOT transparent to its members AND requires audit certification by the PTO board and its officers, then depending on the terms of the audit (frequency of audits vs. length of time of alleged fraud and was audit certified by an independent 3rd party?), the board / officers can be held partially liable if they signed off on it in any way. Now since you are not a corporation with investors operating as a for-profit business would, your exposure is really limited by any claims of its members / donors and would only extend to personal liability if the board / officers were previously aware of the alleged fraud or were co-conspirators. On the flip side, if the books ARE transparent to its members, then the argument is that the members should have challenged any discrepancies within a reasonable amount of time when the books were made available to them. Further, if no audit requirement is carved out in the association's by-laws, which is very rare since this does not protect the interest of the members / donors from financial malfeasance by having one controlling member of finances, then this might help again by limiting exposure. At the end of the day, it all depends on the agreed-upon corporate structure and the way it was formed. -§
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Former Mom 2
()
Date: September 26, 2007 07:25PM
I agree with :( - you all have to be kidding trying to blame others for Litsa and her actions. HELLO PEOPLE - SHE IS A PROFESSIONAL!! Obviously she has done this before - and yes, probably will again if given the opportunity! Stick to the Issue - this woman lied, manipulated, manuvered, and did anything else she had to do to get her job done, and Stealing/Lying WAS her job. I am positive that the people closest to her (not speaking of her husband here) did not have any idea what she was up to. No - we were never friends - but I was one of those involved mothers who put her time in for her children - just like many of us. (I was even chairman of a few events....!)
Everyone needs to stop pointing fingers at anyone but Ms. Mattfeld, and join together so that justice has the best chance of being served. Save your time and energy writing about her children, her weight or anything else but the fact that she stole not only from Navy, but SHE STOLE FROM OUR COMMUNITY - from OUR children. Please - all the rest is total crap and only distracts from the real issue. Think about our children and them having to hear from other kids about "what "Mrs. Mattfeld did" - that is what burns me up. Our children being exposed to that kind of pathology........that is what is truly sad.
Everyone needs to stop pointing fingers at anyone but Ms. Mattfeld, and join together so that justice has the best chance of being served. Save your time and energy writing about her children, her weight or anything else but the fact that she stole not only from Navy, but SHE STOLE FROM OUR COMMUNITY - from OUR children. Please - all the rest is total crap and only distracts from the real issue. Think about our children and them having to hear from other kids about "what "Mrs. Mattfeld did" - that is what burns me up. Our children being exposed to that kind of pathology........that is what is truly sad.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: September 26, 2007 07:51PM
I'm not a tax attorney, but I have worked with nonprofits and they, like for-profit enterprises, need to comply with Sarbanes-Oxley. It is Federal law. Violation of it could result not just in Felony charges for the suspect but also board members who signed off on the scam.
If you really want to get at the bottom of this, I would suggest contacting the IRS field office for Chantilly and ask them to do an audit.
If you really want to get at the bottom of this, I would suggest contacting the IRS field office for Chantilly and ask them to do an audit.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Angered
()
Date: September 26, 2007 08:33PM
Can you add more details about these other court cases that Litza has been involved in? You say that they are documented but what are they for exactly? Please give more info please!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Duh Idiots
()
Date: September 26, 2007 08:35PM
I know Litza has/had family in NJ.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To Duh
()
Date: September 26, 2007 09:46PM
What are you suggesting be checked out in NJ exactly?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
look inside
()
Date: September 26, 2007 11:59PM
I think the former Moms and :( are trying to pin it all on Litsa. All should be investigated who had any opportunity to access the $. I agree, the treasurer has an obvious responsibility to keep track of funds. I am sure the law enforcement team will investigate all angles and not just Litsa.
I am glad to see the immature, physical appearance jokes and attacks have subsided.
I am glad to see the immature, physical appearance jokes and attacks have subsided.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
viper
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Date: September 27, 2007 12:11AM
> I am glad to see the immature, physical appearance
> jokes and attacks have subsided.
Yeah I hear Dunkin Donuts is also happy.
Where's Gravis when you need him?
> jokes and attacks have subsided.
Yeah I hear Dunkin Donuts is also happy.
Where's Gravis when you need him?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
frown face
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Date: September 27, 2007 09:22AM
former navy mom:
I just have to make one last posting - then i'm done - because this seems to have turned into some kind of a contest..
I won't say (because I can't remember) if I ever walked around with a clipboard - but I definately chaired events, cleaned the floor on my hands and knees, monitored bathrooms, picked up trash, lugged a lot of heavy stuff and attended monthly pta meetings, after working a full time job... And, I remember the board members doing the same thing. I'm wondering how you missed that? I remember those years full of a lot of hard working dedicated moms and dads(pta members/event chairs/volunteers & board members).. doing grunt work.. because running an event has tons of grunt work.... behind the scenes and during. When you say a social power thing, I don't really get that. It was social for sure - these moms and dads did have fun doing it. I don't understand where the 'power' comes into play..
Those will always be good memories for me.
look inside - former navy mom - hold all accountable:
Please don't misunderstand me. Of course the Board members had responsibility. I was only trying to make a few points:
- they were dealing with a criminal, who has a history of doing this, who was brilliant about covering her path and falsifying documents. 180k over 5 years with different volunteers in different pta positions and money 'floating'. i doubt it was something where all of the sudden 10's of thousands went missing.. she was a smart lady. i believe she could doctor the books enough to pass the safeguards that the pta had in place and abided by.
- i wouldn't want to 'pin' this on anyone. i believe that the fcpd investigation has been going on for a while and found hard evidence against litsa and noone else. i believe that they have investigated and interviewed others that had access/responsibility to $. and, i doubt they are done.
- i am not embarrassed to have been a former navy pta mom.. i plan on being there on 10/30. my hope is that justice will be served, and litsa will have some kind of jail time. I don't want thousands of kids to see this horrible situation and walk away thinking that you can get away with stealing money..
I just have to make one last posting - then i'm done - because this seems to have turned into some kind of a contest..
I won't say (because I can't remember) if I ever walked around with a clipboard - but I definately chaired events, cleaned the floor on my hands and knees, monitored bathrooms, picked up trash, lugged a lot of heavy stuff and attended monthly pta meetings, after working a full time job... And, I remember the board members doing the same thing. I'm wondering how you missed that? I remember those years full of a lot of hard working dedicated moms and dads(pta members/event chairs/volunteers & board members).. doing grunt work.. because running an event has tons of grunt work.... behind the scenes and during. When you say a social power thing, I don't really get that. It was social for sure - these moms and dads did have fun doing it. I don't understand where the 'power' comes into play..
Those will always be good memories for me.
look inside - former navy mom - hold all accountable:
Please don't misunderstand me. Of course the Board members had responsibility. I was only trying to make a few points:
- they were dealing with a criminal, who has a history of doing this, who was brilliant about covering her path and falsifying documents. 180k over 5 years with different volunteers in different pta positions and money 'floating'. i doubt it was something where all of the sudden 10's of thousands went missing.. she was a smart lady. i believe she could doctor the books enough to pass the safeguards that the pta had in place and abided by.
- i wouldn't want to 'pin' this on anyone. i believe that the fcpd investigation has been going on for a while and found hard evidence against litsa and noone else. i believe that they have investigated and interviewed others that had access/responsibility to $. and, i doubt they are done.
- i am not embarrassed to have been a former navy pta mom.. i plan on being there on 10/30. my hope is that justice will be served, and litsa will have some kind of jail time. I don't want thousands of kids to see this horrible situation and walk away thinking that you can get away with stealing money..
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
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Date: September 27, 2007 06:35PM
look inside Wrote:
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> I think the former Moms and :( are trying to pin
> it all on Litsa. All should be investigated who
> had any opportunity to access the $. I agree, the
> treasurer has an obvious responsibility to keep
> track of funds. I am sure the law enforcement team
> will investigate all angles and not just Litsa.
> I am glad to see the immature, physical appearance
> jokes and attacks have subsided.
I understand Litsa's husband tried to "look inside," but he needed a Jaws of Life to do it.
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> I think the former Moms and :( are trying to pin
> it all on Litsa. All should be investigated who
> had any opportunity to access the $. I agree, the
> treasurer has an obvious responsibility to keep
> track of funds. I am sure the law enforcement team
> will investigate all angles and not just Litsa.
> I am glad to see the immature, physical appearance
> jokes and attacks have subsided.
I understand Litsa's husband tried to "look inside," but he needed a Jaws of Life to do it.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Thread Title Suggestion
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Date: September 28, 2007 02:10AM
Rearrange the letters.....
Triantafilitsa Mattfeld
It's a triflin' mad, fatt tale
Triantafilitsa Mattfeld
It's a triflin' mad, fatt tale
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
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Date: September 28, 2007 08:47AM
dear frown face
you missed my point and decided to take my posts personal.
I don't know you or what you did at navy. I spoke of my own experience while volunteering at Navy for 10 years. My criticism was directed toward the Officers of the PTA not the volunteers or the committee chairs.
You want to think that Litsa was so brillant that the Officers of the PTA were fooled for 5 years...
I have a hard time believing that.
even if they were fooled... there are checks and balances... and yet these were obviously ignored.
I'm sure that only Litsa will be held accountable. Those in power ( ie the school board and the school superintendent) do not want a huge scandel. and after all, the PTA is now the PTO!
isn't it convienent how that worked out!
Litsa kept the account at the bank open... maybe you can explaine to me how the treasurer and secretary didn't know that!
you missed my point and decided to take my posts personal.
I don't know you or what you did at navy. I spoke of my own experience while volunteering at Navy for 10 years. My criticism was directed toward the Officers of the PTA not the volunteers or the committee chairs.
You want to think that Litsa was so brillant that the Officers of the PTA were fooled for 5 years...
I have a hard time believing that.
even if they were fooled... there are checks and balances... and yet these were obviously ignored.
I'm sure that only Litsa will be held accountable. Those in power ( ie the school board and the school superintendent) do not want a huge scandel. and after all, the PTA is now the PTO!
isn't it convienent how that worked out!
Litsa kept the account at the bank open... maybe you can explaine to me how the treasurer and secretary didn't know that!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: September 28, 2007 09:23AM
From Topix post about Litsa:
I know that she seemed to feel that rules didnt always apply to her as she parked where she was not sppose to at the school and dropped her kids off in the wrong area all the time, even after being told many, many times not to. I guess the school must have owed her in her own mind for her volunteer position as PTA president. She has never lived large, her townhouse is very small and they have been there for years. I did notice that she is driving around in a Lexus now... hhhummmm, I guess she can thank fairfax County for her car.
So she driving a new Lexus now?
I know that she seemed to feel that rules didnt always apply to her as she parked where she was not sppose to at the school and dropped her kids off in the wrong area all the time, even after being told many, many times not to. I guess the school must have owed her in her own mind for her volunteer position as PTA president. She has never lived large, her townhouse is very small and they have been there for years. I did notice that she is driving around in a Lexus now... hhhummmm, I guess she can thank fairfax County for her car.
So she driving a new Lexus now?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fed Up
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Date: September 28, 2007 09:29AM
Judging from the last few post, this board has officially out lived its usefulness. Let the judicial system have the last word. Digging into her personal life, dragging the rest of the board and schoolofficials into it is just plain ridiculous. As of right now one person is charged with this crime, let her stand trial. All of this jack leg detective work needs to stop. If the police need more evidence I am sure they will call you guys.
10/30/07 will determine what steps need to be taken next. Hiding behind this board and attacking each other as well as the petty insults about her weight, ethnic background etc... is sad and doesn't say a lot about the people writng it.
Sorry that I had to write this,, but the "Rearrange the letters.....
Triantafilitsa Mattfeld - It's a triflin' mad, fatt tale" post
was my breaking point. We all obviously have too much time on our hands.
Signed Fed Up!!!!
10/30/07 will determine what steps need to be taken next. Hiding behind this board and attacking each other as well as the petty insults about her weight, ethnic background etc... is sad and doesn't say a lot about the people writng it.
Sorry that I had to write this,, but the "Rearrange the letters.....
Triantafilitsa Mattfeld - It's a triflin' mad, fatt tale" post
was my breaking point. We all obviously have too much time on our hands.
Signed Fed Up!!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: September 28, 2007 09:34AM
This woman is innocent until proven guilty.
However, she does sound like a fat bully.
However, she does sound like a fat bully.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: September 28, 2007 10:36AM
Fed Up Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Judging from the last few post, this board has
> officially out lived its usefulness.
> Sorry that I had to write this,, but the
> "Rearrange the letters.....
>
> Triantafilitsa Mattfeld - It's a triflin' mad,
> fatt tale" post
>
> was my breaking point. We all obviously have too
> much time on our hands.
>
> Signed Fed Up!!!!
Yup, same comments Dirk, Meade and Expensive Jeans made, but they keep coming back to read and post.
Ok maybe we went too far calling Litsa:
1) A big fatty greek bitch
2) She can clean out the buffet in one run
3) Habib the tent maker is her fashion designer
4) The Stay-Puft marshmellow character in Ghostbusters was modeled after her
5) Her husband has to roll her in flour before
6) After she gets out of the pool they have to add more water
7) When they see her coming at Dunkin Donuts they get on the phone and call in extra help.
Obviously we didn't mean any of that in deraugatory way.
Typical soccer mom who claims to be perfect, but jumps at the chance to pry into another peoples business because her life is boring.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Judging from the last few post, this board has
> officially out lived its usefulness.
> Sorry that I had to write this,, but the
> "Rearrange the letters.....
>
> Triantafilitsa Mattfeld - It's a triflin' mad,
> fatt tale" post
>
> was my breaking point. We all obviously have too
> much time on our hands.
>
> Signed Fed Up!!!!
Yup, same comments Dirk, Meade and Expensive Jeans made, but they keep coming back to read and post.
Ok maybe we went too far calling Litsa:
1) A big fatty greek bitch
2) She can clean out the buffet in one run
3) Habib the tent maker is her fashion designer
4) The Stay-Puft marshmellow character in Ghostbusters was modeled after her
5) Her husband has to roll her in flour before
6) After she gets out of the pool they have to add more water
7) When they see her coming at Dunkin Donuts they get on the phone and call in extra help.
Obviously we didn't mean any of that in deraugatory way.
Typical soccer mom who claims to be perfect, but jumps at the chance to pry into another peoples business because her life is boring.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To Fed Up
()
Date: September 28, 2007 12:46PM
To Fed Up,
If you think this board has outlived its usefulness, then get the hell off of it.
If you are soooooo fed up, how come you keep coming back to read and post on this board?
Why are you so concerned with the "jack leg" detective work? Are you afraid more of the truth will be found out? People should have been "digging into Litsa's personal life" a long time ago and perhaps this might not have happened.
Had anyone known about the previous embezzlement, I guarantee Litsa would not have been allowed to be Treasurer and President of the PTA. THIS FORUM is where we "all" found out about that historical information......NOT the detectives.
Any information that is uncovered by "jack leg" detective work will be shared with the detectives, be assured. You are crazy if you think the police have the time to "fully" look out for the Navy Community Interests. They have tons of cases and work overtime to do the best that they can.....HOWEVER, having the community HELP THEM in gathering additional information that would help the case, would be appreciated I'M SURE. Police investigators, "private" investigators and concerned citizens can work together to gather information that will help this criminal case.
Why do you think anyone wants to hear your dribble? You obviously have too much time on your hands, too....as you continue to post on this forum trying to tell everyone what to do. Go parent your kids, not the people on this forum.
Litsa put herself in this position, now she will pay the price. I think they should go up her personal and financial a**hole and find out anything and everything about her that can be used in the case....and to also let the community know what her previous "activities" were. She deserves no privacy until the full details are uncovered and made public.
I think "IT'S A TRIFLIN' MAD, FATT TALE" is a great title for this sad situation.
I bet it took less time to figure that out than it did for you to write your post.
Stop wasting our time and GET OFF.
If you think this board has outlived its usefulness, then get the hell off of it.
If you are soooooo fed up, how come you keep coming back to read and post on this board?
Why are you so concerned with the "jack leg" detective work? Are you afraid more of the truth will be found out? People should have been "digging into Litsa's personal life" a long time ago and perhaps this might not have happened.
Had anyone known about the previous embezzlement, I guarantee Litsa would not have been allowed to be Treasurer and President of the PTA. THIS FORUM is where we "all" found out about that historical information......NOT the detectives.
Any information that is uncovered by "jack leg" detective work will be shared with the detectives, be assured. You are crazy if you think the police have the time to "fully" look out for the Navy Community Interests. They have tons of cases and work overtime to do the best that they can.....HOWEVER, having the community HELP THEM in gathering additional information that would help the case, would be appreciated I'M SURE. Police investigators, "private" investigators and concerned citizens can work together to gather information that will help this criminal case.
Why do you think anyone wants to hear your dribble? You obviously have too much time on your hands, too....as you continue to post on this forum trying to tell everyone what to do. Go parent your kids, not the people on this forum.
Litsa put herself in this position, now she will pay the price. I think they should go up her personal and financial a**hole and find out anything and everything about her that can be used in the case....and to also let the community know what her previous "activities" were. She deserves no privacy until the full details are uncovered and made public.
I think "IT'S A TRIFLIN' MAD, FATT TALE" is a great title for this sad situation.
I bet it took less time to figure that out than it did for you to write your post.
Stop wasting our time and GET OFF.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The TRUTH!!!
()
Date: September 28, 2007 02:12PM
Scratch the surface and find many FACTS. I agree detectives do not have the time to work every detail. Many new and enlightening items have been brought to the surface. The more fed to them the better. At least we can try to bring this nightmare full circle. Power of Information Act, the internet, and throw in contacts from within the community & outside offering assistance. 6 degrees of Mrs. Mattfeld seem to apply. Great combo.
Any one know of a "friend" of the Mattfeld family MRS> MATTFELD helped in their elderly years/old age with their personal finances? Not Julie A. Jeller.
Any one know of a "friend" of the Mattfeld family MRS> MATTFELD helped in their elderly years/old age with their personal finances? Not Julie A. Jeller.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
FEDUP
()
Date: September 28, 2007 02:19PM
To: To Fed UP, OUCH that really hurt, no wonder you weren't invited to the "popular kids" party, you're a meany.
:-(
:-(
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
truth seeker
()
Date: September 28, 2007 05:18PM
I don't know about FED UP, but I was the one who brought up the "popular party" and the "Tea at Tysons". I do know alot more than what is posted here. As I mentioned before I will agree with much of what is said in here and some of the immature stuff should go, but this is the USA and thank GOD for the 1st Amend.
A couple things I will mention, I do believe the PTA/PTO board members during the missing money time should be investigated fully for their roll in the missing money. I am not saying they are guilty but one nevers knows until our FCPD does their job. Secondly, about the large amount of missing money, I can say that she was handy at lifting cash during the event. When parents were volunteering in "shifts" she would often come by after new parents were on the table and do this often. Now I (ashamed to admit) did not think twice about her emptying the cash box during my shift. Heck, I showed up and was told where to go and what to do and I did it. Mattfeld took advantage of us (the innocent volunteer parents). Give her credit she was good, now whether she had help or not we will find out but I do believe all the other members SHOULD be investigated!
As far as saying crap about Litsa, well have at it: she stole, this is America: say what you need to say ( leave her kids out of it though ).
Now my thought for the day: bologna sandwiches on white bread and an opportunity to work while in the slammer. It's a WIN WIN for us and her. Eight years served and then pay it back.
In GOD we trust, all others we polygraph.
A couple things I will mention, I do believe the PTA/PTO board members during the missing money time should be investigated fully for their roll in the missing money. I am not saying they are guilty but one nevers knows until our FCPD does their job. Secondly, about the large amount of missing money, I can say that she was handy at lifting cash during the event. When parents were volunteering in "shifts" she would often come by after new parents were on the table and do this often. Now I (ashamed to admit) did not think twice about her emptying the cash box during my shift. Heck, I showed up and was told where to go and what to do and I did it. Mattfeld took advantage of us (the innocent volunteer parents). Give her credit she was good, now whether she had help or not we will find out but I do believe all the other members SHOULD be investigated!
As far as saying crap about Litsa, well have at it: she stole, this is America: say what you need to say ( leave her kids out of it though ).
Now my thought for the day: bologna sandwiches on white bread and an opportunity to work while in the slammer. It's a WIN WIN for us and her. Eight years served and then pay it back.
In GOD we trust, all others we polygraph.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: September 28, 2007 05:43PM
8) When she hauls ass, she has to make 2 trips
1) A big fatty greek bitch
2) She can clean out the buffet in one run
3) Habib the tent maker is her fashion designer
4) The Stay-Puft marshmellow character in Ghostbusters was modeled after her
5) Her husband has to roll her in flour before
6) After she gets out of the pool they have to add more water
7) When they see her coming at Dunkin Donuts they get on the phone and call in extra help.
1) A big fatty greek bitch
2) She can clean out the buffet in one run
3) Habib the tent maker is her fashion designer
4) The Stay-Puft marshmellow character in Ghostbusters was modeled after her
5) Her husband has to roll her in flour before
6) After she gets out of the pool they have to add more water
7) When they see her coming at Dunkin Donuts they get on the phone and call in extra help.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Duh Idiots
()
Date: September 28, 2007 07:15PM
Cherry Hill
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
new B
()
Date: September 28, 2007 10:23PM
Fed Up ur a loser and probably a member of the of the soon to be "INFAMOUS" Navy PTA?PTO of the 21st Century. Got ur gucci bag and SUV, stay at home mom Tyson !! walker. UR are a phony, look in the mirrow u LOSER
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
FMS
()
Date: September 28, 2007 10:25PM
So how was back to school night last night (9/27) you freakin thief?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
FEDUP
()
Date: September 28, 2007 11:19PM
To: new B, do to your cryptic message I will refrain from commenting on your stupidity. new B you definately got the B right, you Bafoon!!!
Ok puppet I'll wait for your respond.
Ok puppet I'll wait for your respond.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To FED UP
()
Date: September 29, 2007 12:58AM
To: FED UP
I thought you said this forum had outlived its usefulness?
I see you are really NOT all that FED UP, because you keep reading and posting on this forum. YOU still must have too much time on YOUR hands, too. How about that.
Now you are resorting to name calling yourself. Geeez, you ARE REALLY the definition of TWO FACED.
I thought you said this forum had outlived its usefulness?
I see you are really NOT all that FED UP, because you keep reading and posting on this forum. YOU still must have too much time on YOUR hands, too. How about that.
Now you are resorting to name calling yourself. Geeez, you ARE REALLY the definition of TWO FACED.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To Duh Idiots
()
Date: September 29, 2007 01:13AM
To Duh:
What is the significance of Litsa having family in Cherry Hill, NJ? How might this information help the investigation? Is it the Kagdis or Mattfeld side of the family? What are you suggesting be looked into exactly?
Please provide more information if you can or a clue as to what you think should be looked into. Would rather not shoot in the dark but would like to have a place to aim. Thx.
What is the significance of Litsa having family in Cherry Hill, NJ? How might this information help the investigation? Is it the Kagdis or Mattfeld side of the family? What are you suggesting be looked into exactly?
Please provide more information if you can or a clue as to what you think should be looked into. Would rather not shoot in the dark but would like to have a place to aim. Thx.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jimmy
()
Date: September 29, 2007 05:30AM
The Sopranos live in New Jersey.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The TRUTH
()
Date: September 29, 2007 07:44AM
There is a RUMOR going around that the Mattfeld family helped a VERY close elderly family couple with their day to day lives. Mrs. Mattfeld ran up their credit cards and stole over $50,000.00 plus. The extended family caught on BUT could not press charges because Mrs. Mattfeld was given signature authority by the elderly couple. Anyone want to add some more FACTS to this little diddy? Or the family can directly contact the Fairfax County Police department. I understand they were completely mortified and wrote off the horrible incident. Shows a pattern. NOt harrassment, just in search for the TRUTH.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The TRUTH
()
Date: September 29, 2007 04:17PM
Wow, this board is silent? Yes, there is more info. shocking!! I will keep digging. Please post anything. Small bits, lead to the Truth!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: September 29, 2007 05:49PM
The TRUTH Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Wow, this board is silent? Yes, there is more
> info. shocking!! I will keep digging. Please
> post anything. Small bits, lead to the Truth!
1) This thing has pretty much run its course until the hearing
2) What you wrote before isn't a matter of public record and probably isn't something that can be proved. At the same time, it could be potentially damaging to this woman, so you are setting yourself up for a libel suit
3) Litsa likes gyros.
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> Wow, this board is silent? Yes, there is more
> info. shocking!! I will keep digging. Please
> post anything. Small bits, lead to the Truth!
1) This thing has pretty much run its course until the hearing
2) What you wrote before isn't a matter of public record and probably isn't something that can be proved. At the same time, it could be potentially damaging to this woman, so you are setting yourself up for a libel suit
3) Litsa likes gyros.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The TRUTH
()
Date: September 29, 2007 07:40PM
Freedom of Speech - I don't think I said it was TRUE. RUMOR?
I can go through the entire Bill of Rights if you like
The Right to a Speedy and Fair Trial - Litsa, no Gyros in Jail, sorry
libel, better sign up the entire fairfax underground....
damaging...LOL
I can go through the entire Bill of Rights if you like
The Right to a Speedy and Fair Trial - Litsa, no Gyros in Jail, sorry
libel, better sign up the entire fairfax underground....
damaging...LOL
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
FEDUP
()
Date: September 29, 2007 08:25PM
To: To Fed UP you wrote:
"I thought you said this forum had outlived its usefulness?
I see you are really NOT all that FED UP, because you keep reading and posting on this forum. YOU still must have too much time on YOUR hands, too. How about that.
Now you are resorting to name calling yourself. Geeez, you ARE REALLY the definition of TWO FACED.",
Well I am glad to see my favorite puppet responded just like I thought you would. You are right I do have too much time on my hands, so what better way to spend it than baiting you into a mindless, pointless chat. Keep up the good work.
HAHAHAHA
"I thought you said this forum had outlived its usefulness?
I see you are really NOT all that FED UP, because you keep reading and posting on this forum. YOU still must have too much time on YOUR hands, too. How about that.
Now you are resorting to name calling yourself. Geeez, you ARE REALLY the definition of TWO FACED.",
Well I am glad to see my favorite puppet responded just like I thought you would. You are right I do have too much time on my hands, so what better way to spend it than baiting you into a mindless, pointless chat. Keep up the good work.
HAHAHAHA
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To FED UP
()
Date: September 30, 2007 12:06AM
Litsa....
I'm sure YOU ARE fed up with people digging further to find the truth !! It is amazing just how many people you were able to take advantage of. So sad. Your employer and co-workers, your children, their teachers and school, your community, and now elderly people who trusted you. I'm sure there are many other situations where you stole cash that can't be traced.
If the detectives working of behalf of Navy were able to find $180,000 that can be documented, imagine how much money you must have truly stolen. If these things are true, and I have no doubt they are, you are truly a premeditated evil, evil person.
You know, what goes around comes around and I fully believe that you will pay the price for what you did one way or another, in this life or beyond.
I'm sure YOU ARE fed up with people digging further to find the truth !! It is amazing just how many people you were able to take advantage of. So sad. Your employer and co-workers, your children, their teachers and school, your community, and now elderly people who trusted you. I'm sure there are many other situations where you stole cash that can't be traced.
If the detectives working of behalf of Navy were able to find $180,000 that can be documented, imagine how much money you must have truly stolen. If these things are true, and I have no doubt they are, you are truly a premeditated evil, evil person.
You know, what goes around comes around and I fully believe that you will pay the price for what you did one way or another, in this life or beyond.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To THE TRUTH
()
Date: September 30, 2007 12:26AM
Dear Truth:
Pleeeeease encourage the elderly couple and their extended family to contact the Fairfax County Police Detective mentioned earlier in this thread. (Especially, in light of what is going on now and previously with the employer !!! ) They should not feel embarrassed or simply just write it off. The police can look at and decipher the details to see if there is something that can be done with another criminal case. If nothing else, it will bring another victim into the spot-light for the police. Since the detectives seem to have already interviewed the employer and employees of the previous company, they would probably do the same here. At this point it is for principle and finding the truth, if nothing else....so that others can be aware.
If Litsa was supposed to be writing checks to pay for housing, utilities and general living expenses for this people and she decided to charge something "totally out of character" or in "excess" for this elderly couple, there might be enough information for the police to do something. There would be a pattern of what she was doing, if she was using credit cards....signature authority or not.
Please encourage them to at least make the call and set up an appointment to speak with the detectives assigned to this case. The Navy Community would be truly grateful, if they came forward.
Pleeeeease encourage the elderly couple and their extended family to contact the Fairfax County Police Detective mentioned earlier in this thread. (Especially, in light of what is going on now and previously with the employer !!! ) They should not feel embarrassed or simply just write it off. The police can look at and decipher the details to see if there is something that can be done with another criminal case. If nothing else, it will bring another victim into the spot-light for the police. Since the detectives seem to have already interviewed the employer and employees of the previous company, they would probably do the same here. At this point it is for principle and finding the truth, if nothing else....so that others can be aware.
If Litsa was supposed to be writing checks to pay for housing, utilities and general living expenses for this people and she decided to charge something "totally out of character" or in "excess" for this elderly couple, there might be enough information for the police to do something. There would be a pattern of what she was doing, if she was using credit cards....signature authority or not.
Please encourage them to at least make the call and set up an appointment to speak with the detectives assigned to this case. The Navy Community would be truly grateful, if they came forward.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The TRUTH
()
Date: September 30, 2007 11:06AM
Info you requested Wrote:
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> Doug Mattfeld
> Manager, Telecom Engineering - AOL
>
> Washington D.C. Metro Area
>
> Current Manager, Telecom Engineering at AOL
>
> Past Senior Manager, Service Delivery at Sprint
>
> Industry Internet
I would like to research Mr. Mattfeld's "knowledge" of the embezzlement(s). According to salary research a telecom engineer earns between $60K - $80K. That would be $65K after taxes for $80K. So an extra $180,000? TAX FREE and that number is just what they can prove. Tax returns will be an interesting read.
Charitable deductions, wonder if Navy is referenced?
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> Doug Mattfeld
> Manager, Telecom Engineering - AOL
>
> Washington D.C. Metro Area
>
> Current Manager, Telecom Engineering at AOL
>
> Past Senior Manager, Service Delivery at Sprint
>
> Industry Internet
I would like to research Mr. Mattfeld's "knowledge" of the embezzlement(s). According to salary research a telecom engineer earns between $60K - $80K. That would be $65K after taxes for $80K. So an extra $180,000? TAX FREE and that number is just what they can prove. Tax returns will be an interesting read.
Charitable deductions, wonder if Navy is referenced?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
:)
()
Date: September 30, 2007 12:22PM
*
There is rumor that she used the funds to fly to Vegas to see the Carrot Top show !!
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Attachments:
There is rumor that she used the funds to fly to Vegas to see the Carrot Top show !!
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Attachments:
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: September 30, 2007 05:04PM
The TRUTH Wrote:
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> Info you requested Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Doug Mattfeld
> > Manager, Telecom Engineering - AOL
> >
> > Washington D.C. Metro Area
> >
> > Current Manager, Telecom Engineering at AOL
> >
> > Past Senior Manager, Service Delivery at Sprint
>
> >
> > Industry Internet
>
> I would like to research Mr. Mattfeld's
> "knowledge" of the embezzlement(s). According to
> salary research a telecom engineer earns between
> $60K - $80K. That would be $65K after taxes for
> $80K. So an extra $180,000? TAX FREE and that
> number is just what they can prove. Tax returns
> will be an interesting read.
> Charitable deductions, wonder if Navy is
> referenced?
The IRS would be interested in revisiting those tax returns as well. That's the kind of case that put Al Capone away.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Info you requested Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Doug Mattfeld
> > Manager, Telecom Engineering - AOL
> >
> > Washington D.C. Metro Area
> >
> > Current Manager, Telecom Engineering at AOL
> >
> > Past Senior Manager, Service Delivery at Sprint
>
> >
> > Industry Internet
>
> I would like to research Mr. Mattfeld's
> "knowledge" of the embezzlement(s). According to
> salary research a telecom engineer earns between
> $60K - $80K. That would be $65K after taxes for
> $80K. So an extra $180,000? TAX FREE and that
> number is just what they can prove. Tax returns
> will be an interesting read.
> Charitable deductions, wonder if Navy is
> referenced?
The IRS would be interested in revisiting those tax returns as well. That's the kind of case that put Al Capone away.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
navy grad
()
Date: September 30, 2007 06:22PM
is there any way we can get the petition up here so everyone can read it?
Thanks!
FYI... it isn't over until the fat lady sings
Thanks!
FYI... it isn't over until the fat lady sings
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Interested Bystander
()
Date: September 30, 2007 06:28PM
FYI:
The information below (from the Navy PTO Meeting Minutes) was extracted from the following web site:
http://navypto.org/
Please note that the police officer clearly states that Litsa has no prior arrest record, even though people on this forum have stated that they believe she embezzled money from an association in Washington D.C. about 15 years ago. And because she has no previous record, she will probably get a light sentence with little or no jail time (this is based on his 30-years of experience). I am posting this for no other reason then to help temper people's expectations.
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NAVY PTO MEETING MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 5, 2007
"Melissa then introduced Fairfax County Police Department (FCPD), Financial Investigator, Tom Polhemus to provide the status of the alleged embezzlement of PTA/PTO funds. He is a 30 year veteran of FCPD. Mrs. Mattfeld was arrested on August 30th on two (2) counts and was released on her own recognizance. She has no previous arrests. He also stated that they believe she is the only person involved. The preliminary hearing is scheduled on October 20th. Then depending upon her position on the waving of her rights, the case proceeds to the Grand Jury and then to Circuit Court. Investigator Polhemus explained that 99% of similar cases never get to Circuit Court because a plea bargain is made before the Court date.
Investigator Polhemus responded to a variety of questions, several of major questions:
1.) $180,000 and chances of restitution – the $180,000 is a very conservative number and probably small chance of any major restitution. There was considerable discussion on the unfairness of complete restitution, taking funding from children, how it happened, etc.
2.) Sentencing – with no previous record should expect light sentence to include community service, probably little no jail time. This is based upon his experience.
3.) What can PTO do now? – prepare a letter for the judge at sentencing which would probably be around December, 2007. Melissa offered that the Board would draft a copy of a letter and provide the members with an opportunity to make comments and suggestions.
4.) What would be the possibility of a civil lawsuit? – Investigator Polhemus answered that a civil case could be brought, but if restitution is not probable in the criminal case it would follow that it would also hold true in a civil case.
Mr. Polhemus had heard our earlier discussions on financial controls and stated that with these controls in place, an event such as this would not happen."
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The information below (from the Navy PTO Meeting Minutes) was extracted from the following web site:
http://navypto.org/
Please note that the police officer clearly states that Litsa has no prior arrest record, even though people on this forum have stated that they believe she embezzled money from an association in Washington D.C. about 15 years ago. And because she has no previous record, she will probably get a light sentence with little or no jail time (this is based on his 30-years of experience). I am posting this for no other reason then to help temper people's expectations.
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NAVY PTO MEETING MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 5, 2007
"Melissa then introduced Fairfax County Police Department (FCPD), Financial Investigator, Tom Polhemus to provide the status of the alleged embezzlement of PTA/PTO funds. He is a 30 year veteran of FCPD. Mrs. Mattfeld was arrested on August 30th on two (2) counts and was released on her own recognizance. She has no previous arrests. He also stated that they believe she is the only person involved. The preliminary hearing is scheduled on October 20th. Then depending upon her position on the waving of her rights, the case proceeds to the Grand Jury and then to Circuit Court. Investigator Polhemus explained that 99% of similar cases never get to Circuit Court because a plea bargain is made before the Court date.
Investigator Polhemus responded to a variety of questions, several of major questions:
1.) $180,000 and chances of restitution – the $180,000 is a very conservative number and probably small chance of any major restitution. There was considerable discussion on the unfairness of complete restitution, taking funding from children, how it happened, etc.
2.) Sentencing – with no previous record should expect light sentence to include community service, probably little no jail time. This is based upon his experience.
3.) What can PTO do now? – prepare a letter for the judge at sentencing which would probably be around December, 2007. Melissa offered that the Board would draft a copy of a letter and provide the members with an opportunity to make comments and suggestions.
4.) What would be the possibility of a civil lawsuit? – Investigator Polhemus answered that a civil case could be brought, but if restitution is not probable in the criminal case it would follow that it would also hold true in a civil case.
Mr. Polhemus had heard our earlier discussions on financial controls and stated that with these controls in place, an event such as this would not happen."
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Interested Bystander
()
Date: September 30, 2007 06:47PM
Some additional information taken from the web site that I mentioned in my previous post:
http://navypto.org/
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NAVY PTO BOARD MEETING MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 24, 2007
"Meeting convened at 8:40 am. President Melissa opened discussions regarding the various community activities and unrest concerning the embezzlement charges of PTA funds. She suggested having a special meeting or placing an FAQ space on the PTO website to address the misinformation that has appeared in the community, mostly via the Fairfax Underground. The Board concurred on the FAQ space over the special meeting. Melissa will begin to draft responses to the misinformation on the Underground site for the Board to review before placing on the PTO website."
There was considerable discussion of the group, “Navy Community Voices” and their petition to the judge hearing the embezzlement case and its circulation. The Board agreed to work with and support the Group and share any information that we are allowed to provide. The Fairfax County Investigator, at the first PTO meeting in September had suggested this was one of the things the community could do.
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http://navypto.org/
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NAVY PTO BOARD MEETING MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 24, 2007
"Meeting convened at 8:40 am. President Melissa opened discussions regarding the various community activities and unrest concerning the embezzlement charges of PTA funds. She suggested having a special meeting or placing an FAQ space on the PTO website to address the misinformation that has appeared in the community, mostly via the Fairfax Underground. The Board concurred on the FAQ space over the special meeting. Melissa will begin to draft responses to the misinformation on the Underground site for the Board to review before placing on the PTO website."
There was considerable discussion of the group, “Navy Community Voices” and their petition to the judge hearing the embezzlement case and its circulation. The Board agreed to work with and support the Group and share any information that we are allowed to provide. The Fairfax County Investigator, at the first PTO meeting in September had suggested this was one of the things the community could do.
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Concerned!
()
Date: September 30, 2007 07:28PM
WHAT MIS-INFORMATION HAS BEEN POSTED????????? EVERYTHING I HAVE READ HAS BEEN ACCURATE. MY KIDS WANT TO KNOW IF SHE WILL GET AWAY WITH THE CRIMES. She has no previous record because the previous embezzlement was handed over to an insurance company to settle.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Concerned Too
()
Date: September 30, 2007 08:19PM
This conspiring, evil woman is accused of embezzling OVER $180,000 PEOPLE!!! (And that is only the checks that left a paper trail....who knows how much cash.) For the police to set the expectation that most people get away with this kind of crime against school children, with this amount of money involved, is outrageous! What does this tell you about our criminal justice system?
I believe the police have only charged her with two counts. There are MANY other transactions that she can be charged with. If she gets off with little or no jail time and without full restitution ordered, there will be MANY ENRAGED people in the community. There is an election coming and jobs will be lost.
The Police and the County Attorney should SLAP every one of those charges on her, keeping her in court for a long, long, long time.
WHPayne wrote on September 22, 2007 09:36PM
" I know Litsa from the days when she was last employed and embezzled money from the DC trade association. I just want to say that there is paperwork on this and the police have contacted several of her former bosses/coworkers from her old employer. I've been impressed with the Fairfax police detectives in actually finding some people that are in our old circle that worked together. So feel good that work is being done to build a case.
Although she was never charged in a court of law it does go to show her character. There are many credible people that are happy to collaborate this information. This is big news among a bunch of us that worked with her way back when this happened. "
These people are stepping up !!!
The NAVY community needs an attorney looking out for the interests of our school, our children, and our community. The fact that there was never a search warrant issued on her home is another MAJOR problem!
I think the petition is a great thing....but we need a LEGAL representative who can communicate with the prosecutors. There is a lot of information coming out of the woodwork that should be investigated further.
If we don't do the RIGHT THING and follow through completely with this, Litsa WILL do this again, and again, and again, and again. I will not have that on my conscious. It needs to stop HERE and NOW with the Navy Community Voices.
The current Navy PTO agreed to purchase Directors & Officers Insurance, General Liability Insurance and Bond Insurance to cover the 2007-2008 year. There should also be a line item for legal representation / advice in this matter.
If you allow Litsa to get away with this again by not taking action and not following through with the whole job, YOU will be as guilty as she is. Where is your conscious people? Sometimes you have to follow through simply....for the PRINCIPLE !!!! What message will it send our children if we do NOT?
I believe the police have only charged her with two counts. There are MANY other transactions that she can be charged with. If she gets off with little or no jail time and without full restitution ordered, there will be MANY ENRAGED people in the community. There is an election coming and jobs will be lost.
The Police and the County Attorney should SLAP every one of those charges on her, keeping her in court for a long, long, long time.
WHPayne wrote on September 22, 2007 09:36PM
" I know Litsa from the days when she was last employed and embezzled money from the DC trade association. I just want to say that there is paperwork on this and the police have contacted several of her former bosses/coworkers from her old employer. I've been impressed with the Fairfax police detectives in actually finding some people that are in our old circle that worked together. So feel good that work is being done to build a case.
Although she was never charged in a court of law it does go to show her character. There are many credible people that are happy to collaborate this information. This is big news among a bunch of us that worked with her way back when this happened. "
These people are stepping up !!!
The NAVY community needs an attorney looking out for the interests of our school, our children, and our community. The fact that there was never a search warrant issued on her home is another MAJOR problem!
I think the petition is a great thing....but we need a LEGAL representative who can communicate with the prosecutors. There is a lot of information coming out of the woodwork that should be investigated further.
If we don't do the RIGHT THING and follow through completely with this, Litsa WILL do this again, and again, and again, and again. I will not have that on my conscious. It needs to stop HERE and NOW with the Navy Community Voices.
The current Navy PTO agreed to purchase Directors & Officers Insurance, General Liability Insurance and Bond Insurance to cover the 2007-2008 year. There should also be a line item for legal representation / advice in this matter.
If you allow Litsa to get away with this again by not taking action and not following through with the whole job, YOU will be as guilty as she is. Where is your conscious people? Sometimes you have to follow through simply....for the PRINCIPLE !!!! What message will it send our children if we do NOT?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Mis Information
()
Date: September 30, 2007 08:22PM
I would venture a guess that it's misinformation that anybody at the PTO meeting (minutes posted above) ever discussed "the unfairness of complete restitution". Anything BUT complete restitution would be unfair to the children, teachers, and others in the community that Litsa allegedly stole from.
A word of caution to all to realize Litsa and her attorney probably read this board. Try not to help them. Let the justice system do it's work. Let the detectives do their job. This is a community message board, not a court of law. Just make sure to show up in force for Litsa's day in court so they don't forget who they serve.
A word of caution to all to realize Litsa and her attorney probably read this board. Try not to help them. Let the justice system do it's work. Let the detectives do their job. This is a community message board, not a court of law. Just make sure to show up in force for Litsa's day in court so they don't forget who they serve.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
X Colleague
()
Date: September 30, 2007 08:35PM
At least 4 of us x colleagues from the trade association have been contacted by and spoken to the detective...some of us are even planning on attending the hearing...this has not been fabricated...it was turned over to the insurance agency unfortunately and somehow settled without her record being tarnished...she knows how this works...sounds like she'll walk again. It was bad enough that she did it 15 years ago from her employer but the fact that she stole from her community...friends and their children is absolutely disgusting. Don't go down without a fight people.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To X Colleague
()
Date: October 01, 2007 08:38AM
THANK YOU...THANK YOU...THANK YOU
for stepping up and coming forward. You are appreciated more than you know.
I hope the elderly couple that was taken advantage of will come forward, too.
I hope someone lets the court know to put this trial in their largest room, because there will be many 'concerned' citizens attending.
for stepping up and coming forward. You are appreciated more than you know.
I hope the elderly couple that was taken advantage of will come forward, too.
I hope someone lets the court know to put this trial in their largest room, because there will be many 'concerned' citizens attending.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: October 01, 2007 09:43AM
What the FFX investigator said was in line with my own experience in these kinds of cases. Judges will let people who do white collar crime skate. Some black kid walks into a 7-11 and demands $100, he'll be in jail for five years. Some white chick deceives people for five years and gets away with $180K...or more...and she will have to work at a soup kitchen for five weekends.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax Citizen
()
Date: October 01, 2007 10:56AM
The idea to advise the IRS about this alleged theft is a good one.
I understand that the IRS can tax illegal gains as described for unreported income and failure to pay taxes.
As an incentive, the person who files the report, may receive a percentage.
Lawyers are expensive. I wonder if it could be proven that he/she is being paid with purloined funds?
I understand that the IRS can tax illegal gains as described for unreported income and failure to pay taxes.
As an incentive, the person who files the report, may receive a percentage.
Lawyers are expensive. I wonder if it could be proven that he/she is being paid with purloined funds?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Hold ALL Accountable!
()
Date: October 01, 2007 11:49AM
:( Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> TO: Hold ALL Accountable!
>
> You are kidding, right? If not, it certainly
> shows how involved you are. It must be nice to
> sit and criticize while remaining so incredibly
> ignorant.
>
> I find it bizarre that you continue to try to put
> the focus on the other PTO/PTA boards members..
>
> Litsa is a con artist and she totally manipulated
> and screwed her PTO/PTA, school board, Navy
> children, volunteers, friends and family over.
> Not to mention the people that she has screwed
> over previously, from the Association and who
> knows where else. She lied, cheated, and stole
> for years and years. Litsa worked overtime to
> make sure that she got people to trust her… she
> probably considered that her profession.
> Obviously, she did a superb job.
>
> The PTO/PTA board members were volunteering their
> time to help their children and community. In
> their wildest dreams, they would never suspect a
> fellow volunteer of hurting people like Litsa was
> doing. Most people, unlike some on this thread,
> don't assume the worst of people, especially if
> they are working side by side for a good cause.
>
> The PTO/PTA board members were not negligent.
> They did their jobs exceptionally well. The
> problem was that there was a conniving, smart,
> thief of a woman doctoring the books for everyone
> while she was smiling and pretending to be their
> leader.
>
> I feel confident in our FCPD that they know how to
> handle an investigation and bring anyone that was
> involved to justice.
Simply put, if they did their jobs "exceptionally well," $180,000 would not be missing. Do you even know what a Treasurer is? Do you know what a Financial Secretary does? My point is, the people in these postions do/did not take thier responsibilities seriously. I hear a bunch of you (looking at you Former Mom 2) talk about "the children." I agree, let's remember the children and teach them something called responsibility. Certainly, we tell them that what Mrs. Mattfeld is accused of is a serious offense and that these offenses has consequences. But, I also instill in my children to keep their word and to live up to what is expected of them -- something these board members did not. If they aren't willing to accept any responsibility now, I certainly do not feel they will do so in the future and may need to be replaced.
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> TO: Hold ALL Accountable!
>
> You are kidding, right? If not, it certainly
> shows how involved you are. It must be nice to
> sit and criticize while remaining so incredibly
> ignorant.
>
> I find it bizarre that you continue to try to put
> the focus on the other PTO/PTA boards members..
>
> Litsa is a con artist and she totally manipulated
> and screwed her PTO/PTA, school board, Navy
> children, volunteers, friends and family over.
> Not to mention the people that she has screwed
> over previously, from the Association and who
> knows where else. She lied, cheated, and stole
> for years and years. Litsa worked overtime to
> make sure that she got people to trust her… she
> probably considered that her profession.
> Obviously, she did a superb job.
>
> The PTO/PTA board members were volunteering their
> time to help their children and community. In
> their wildest dreams, they would never suspect a
> fellow volunteer of hurting people like Litsa was
> doing. Most people, unlike some on this thread,
> don't assume the worst of people, especially if
> they are working side by side for a good cause.
>
> The PTO/PTA board members were not negligent.
> They did their jobs exceptionally well. The
> problem was that there was a conniving, smart,
> thief of a woman doctoring the books for everyone
> while she was smiling and pretending to be their
> leader.
>
> I feel confident in our FCPD that they know how to
> handle an investigation and bring anyone that was
> involved to justice.
Simply put, if they did their jobs "exceptionally well," $180,000 would not be missing. Do you even know what a Treasurer is? Do you know what a Financial Secretary does? My point is, the people in these postions do/did not take thier responsibilities seriously. I hear a bunch of you (looking at you Former Mom 2) talk about "the children." I agree, let's remember the children and teach them something called responsibility. Certainly, we tell them that what Mrs. Mattfeld is accused of is a serious offense and that these offenses has consequences. But, I also instill in my children to keep their word and to live up to what is expected of them -- something these board members did not. If they aren't willing to accept any responsibility now, I certainly do not feel they will do so in the future and may need to be replaced.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 01, 2007 11:58AM
It appears the PTO did catch her.
From what I read it appears that the new accounting system the PTO put in place did catch her. Apparently she tried to use an old PTA account and that triggered a bank official to raise concerns about her transactions. I wonder if it was a hidden account and there was $180,000 in that account.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/01/2007 12:05PM by Lurker..
From what I read it appears that the new accounting system the PTO put in place did catch her. Apparently she tried to use an old PTA account and that triggered a bank official to raise concerns about her transactions. I wonder if it was a hidden account and there was $180,000 in that account.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/01/2007 12:05PM by Lurker..
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: October 01, 2007 01:05PM
Fairfax Citizen Wrote:
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ercentage.
>
> Lawyers are expensive. I wonder if it could be
> proven that he/she is being paid with purloined
> funds?
If there is a PTA bank account and she was writing checks to herself or to an entity that was a front for her, it should be very easy to prove. It could be as simple as asking the bank to do an audit of the account. I don't believe the bank would charge much for this service and it should be official enough for the IRS to look into it.
On top of it, if two signatures are required for approval, as should be the case, forgery could be involved. That is a Federal crime that the FBI might want to take a look into as well.
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ercentage.
>
> Lawyers are expensive. I wonder if it could be
> proven that he/she is being paid with purloined
> funds?
If there is a PTA bank account and she was writing checks to herself or to an entity that was a front for her, it should be very easy to prove. It could be as simple as asking the bank to do an audit of the account. I don't believe the bank would charge much for this service and it should be official enough for the IRS to look into it.
On top of it, if two signatures are required for approval, as should be the case, forgery could be involved. That is a Federal crime that the FBI might want to take a look into as well.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Enough
()
Date: October 01, 2007 03:15PM
You guys are reaching... if this.... if that.... if grandma had balls she'd be grandpa.
Enough already, please read Interested Bystanders post, it is the most sensible post on this board. The rest of this stuff is sad, a bunch of Jonny come latelys with all this great advice and evidence. STOP IT!!!! let the authorities do their job, and realize that her attorney will be privy to any and all evidence that the prosecution uses. So all the bombshells drop in this forum will be negated.
All this board is doing is making sure that she can't get a fair and impartial trial,which means she will walk, or the case will be moved to another jurisdiction, where they won't care about the community. So all you well intended legal beagles and Magnum PI's are doing more damage than you are good.
Now I am sure there will be several idiotic responses to this post, so have it.
Enough already, please read Interested Bystanders post, it is the most sensible post on this board. The rest of this stuff is sad, a bunch of Jonny come latelys with all this great advice and evidence. STOP IT!!!! let the authorities do their job, and realize that her attorney will be privy to any and all evidence that the prosecution uses. So all the bombshells drop in this forum will be negated.
All this board is doing is making sure that she can't get a fair and impartial trial,which means she will walk, or the case will be moved to another jurisdiction, where they won't care about the community. So all you well intended legal beagles and Magnum PI's are doing more damage than you are good.
Now I am sure there will be several idiotic responses to this post, so have it.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
NAVY PTO Meeting 10/2 @9am
()
Date: October 01, 2007 05:06PM
For those folks who are members of the Navy PTO, you are invited to attend the next PTO meeting at:
Navy Elementary - Media Center
Tuesday, October 2
9:00 am
There will be a petition from the Navy Community Voices to read and sign, if you are so inclined. If you will not make the meeting and would like more information on the petition, please send an e-mail to navycommunityvoices@yahoo.com
Thanks,
Navy Elementary - Media Center
Tuesday, October 2
9:00 am
There will be a petition from the Navy Community Voices to read and sign, if you are so inclined. If you will not make the meeting and would like more information on the petition, please send an e-mail to navycommunityvoices@yahoo.com
Thanks,
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Hold All Accountable!
()
Date: October 01, 2007 05:10PM
For all interested in attending tomorrow, there may be more than one petition for review.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
though for punishment
()
Date: October 01, 2007 06:21PM
After she serves her time in federal prison for being guilty of embezzlement, she should be required to work at Navy for forty hours a week as Mr. Winstons assistant. Whatever he needs done she should do it. After she gets the hang of it maybe the school could give Mr. Winston a few extra vacation days off while "Ms. Thief" attempts to do Mr. Winstons job. He does not need her help but for all the hard work he does for that school, the kids, and parents a little break (or big if we are talking about Litsa) may help.
No reason she can't do this she hasn't worked a real job in over six years. I guess you don't have to if your husband is making about 60g and she was stealing about 30g.
Well I gotta go to my second job now to help pay for college. See you all tomorrow night.
No reason she can't do this she hasn't worked a real job in over six years. I guess you don't have to if your husband is making about 60g and she was stealing about 30g.
Well I gotta go to my second job now to help pay for college. See you all tomorrow night.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: October 01, 2007 06:23PM
Enough Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> All this board is doing is making sure that she
> can't get a fair and impartial trial,which means
> she will walk, or the case will be moved to
> another jurisdiction, where they won't care about
> the community.
Yes. All 12 people who read this Forum will be in the jury pool, so watch out!!!
Talk about you "idiotic responses."
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> All this board is doing is making sure that she
> can't get a fair and impartial trial,which means
> she will walk, or the case will be moved to
> another jurisdiction, where they won't care about
> the community.
Yes. All 12 people who read this Forum will be in the jury pool, so watch out!!!
Talk about you "idiotic responses."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 01, 2007 06:31PM
Wouldn't it make more sense to hold these meetings at times when parents can attend? Not 9am on a Tuesday morning. How about 7:30pm on Tuesday evening. Some parents work during the day.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Genevieve
()
Date: October 01, 2007 06:35PM
Lurker. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Wouldn't it make more sense to hold these meetings
> at times when parents can attend? Not 9am on a
> Tuesday morning. How about 7:30pm on Tuesday
> evening. Some parents work during the day.
LOL, it sounds like they want to exclude working parents. Maybe it is a stay-at-home mom conspiracy!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Wouldn't it make more sense to hold these meetings
> at times when parents can attend? Not 9am on a
> Tuesday morning. How about 7:30pm on Tuesday
> evening. Some parents work during the day.
LOL, it sounds like they want to exclude working parents. Maybe it is a stay-at-home mom conspiracy!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: October 01, 2007 06:48PM
NAVY PTO Meeting 10/2 @9am Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> For those folks who are members of the Navy PTO,
> you are invited to attend the next PTO meeting
> at:
> Navy Elementary - Media Center
> Tuesday, October 2
> 9:00 am
>
> There will be a petition from the Navy Community
> Voices to read and sign, if you are so inclined.
> If you will not make the meeting and would like
> more information on the petition, please send an
> e-mail to navycommunityvoices@yahoo.com
>
> Thanks,
I don't get the 9am thing, either. Don't you people have better things to do? I mean, besides raising at least $180K but then not paying attention to where it goes for five years?
-------------------------------------------------------
> For those folks who are members of the Navy PTO,
> you are invited to attend the next PTO meeting
> at:
> Navy Elementary - Media Center
> Tuesday, October 2
> 9:00 am
>
> There will be a petition from the Navy Community
> Voices to read and sign, if you are so inclined.
> If you will not make the meeting and would like
> more information on the petition, please send an
> e-mail to navycommunityvoices@yahoo.com
>
> Thanks,
I don't get the 9am thing, either. Don't you people have better things to do? I mean, besides raising at least $180K but then not paying attention to where it goes for five years?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
navy parent too
()
Date: October 01, 2007 06:56PM
The Navy PTO meetings rotate from PM to AM. The last meeting was PM. This one is AM. The next one will be PM etc. Obviously most of you are NOT members of the Navy PTO or you would have known that.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: October 01, 2007 07:00PM
navy parent too Wrote:
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> The Navy PTO meetings rotate from PM to AM. The
> last meeting was PM. This one is AM. The next
> one will be PM etc. Obviously most of you are NOT
> members of the Navy PTO or you would have known
> that.
Most of us don't give a fuck. Obviously you are NOT a member of the "I don't give a fuck club" or you would have known that.
Oh, by the way. When did Fairfax Underground become the official site of the Navy PTO? Why don't you go to blogger.com and set up a website and get your snarky little ass out of here?
-------------------------------------------------------
> The Navy PTO meetings rotate from PM to AM. The
> last meeting was PM. This one is AM. The next
> one will be PM etc. Obviously most of you are NOT
> members of the Navy PTO or you would have known
> that.
Most of us don't give a fuck. Obviously you are NOT a member of the "I don't give a fuck club" or you would have known that.
Oh, by the way. When did Fairfax Underground become the official site of the Navy PTO? Why don't you go to blogger.com and set up a website and get your snarky little ass out of here?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
PTO Meeting Dates
()
Date: October 01, 2007 07:05PM
The dates for the PTO meetings are going to be rotated. Some will be in the morning, afternoon and evening. Not all times work for everyone, unfortunately. The schedule is published in advance and is located on the web site: www.NAVYPTO.org
The last meeting was published very late and had little attendance. Few people knew of the embezzlement situation until AFTER the September meeting. TOMORROW IS THE NEXT MEETING !!
PLEASE....try to attend if you can. If NOT, please contact the NavyCommunityVoices@yahoo.com to get more information about 'one' way the community is responding. Another alternative is to call the current PTO officers or a neighbor who was able to attend.
Many folks don't know the particulars of what happened...and we are still finding out more and more. We need your support and hope you can make it.
The last meeting was published very late and had little attendance. Few people knew of the embezzlement situation until AFTER the September meeting. TOMORROW IS THE NEXT MEETING !!
PLEASE....try to attend if you can. If NOT, please contact the NavyCommunityVoices@yahoo.com to get more information about 'one' way the community is responding. Another alternative is to call the current PTO officers or a neighbor who was able to attend.
Many folks don't know the particulars of what happened...and we are still finding out more and more. We need your support and hope you can make it.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: October 01, 2007 07:08PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Most of us don't give a fuck. Obviously you are
> NOT a member of the "I don't give a fuck club" or
> you would have known that.
>
Don't sugar coat it, say what you think!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Most of us don't give a fuck. Obviously you are
> NOT a member of the "I don't give a fuck club" or
> you would have known that.
>
Don't sugar coat it, say what you think!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: October 01, 2007 07:15PM
Jester Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Don't sugar coat it, say what you think!
...but I'm shy.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Don't sugar coat it, say what you think!
...but I'm shy.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
xgame
()
Date: October 01, 2007 08:01PM
yea shy loser do you even know where Fairfax County is let alone Navy. Keep you vulgarity to your own wen page it is not wanted, needed or allowed on this site. And yes I can have your IP address tagged/ flagged and reported if you so choose to keep that alnguage up.
In the mean time lets concentrate on the issues of this blog to disseminate inforation relevant to the case of Mattfeld versus the Commonwealth of Virginia
In the mean time lets concentrate on the issues of this blog to disseminate inforation relevant to the case of Mattfeld versus the Commonwealth of Virginia
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: October 01, 2007 10:17PM
xgame Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> yea shy loser do you even know where Fairfax
> County is let alone Navy. Keep you vulgarity to
> your own wen page it is not wanted, needed or
> allowed on this site. And yes I can have your IP
> address tagged/ flagged and reported if you so
> choose to keep that alnguage up.
>
> In the mean time lets concentrate on the issues of
> this blog to disseminate inforation relevant to
> the case of Mattfeld versus the Commonwealth of
> Virginia
Per the rules of this site...
"Posts are not edited for lewdness, correctness or vulgarity as long as they do not violate one of the rules above."
-------------------------------------------------------
> yea shy loser do you even know where Fairfax
> County is let alone Navy. Keep you vulgarity to
> your own wen page it is not wanted, needed or
> allowed on this site. And yes I can have your IP
> address tagged/ flagged and reported if you so
> choose to keep that alnguage up.
>
> In the mean time lets concentrate on the issues of
> this blog to disseminate inforation relevant to
> the case of Mattfeld versus the Commonwealth of
> Virginia
Per the rules of this site...
"Posts are not edited for lewdness, correctness or vulgarity as long as they do not violate one of the rules above."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Rules as Posted
()
Date: October 01, 2007 10:51PM
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: October 01, 2007 10:54PM
xgame Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Keep you vulgarity to
> your own wen page it is not wanted, needed or
> allowed on this site.
> address tagged/ flagged and reported if you so
> choose to keep that alnguage up.
great, you are a fucking retard with a God complex.
> In the mean time lets concentrate on the issues of
> this blog to disseminate inforation relevant to
> the case of Mattfeld versus the Commonwealth of
> Virginia
wow fucktard, it's a forum, not a blog.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/01/2007 10:54PM by Gravis.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Keep you vulgarity to
> your own wen page it is not wanted, needed or
> allowed on this site.
- wtf is a wen page?
- since "wen" was "vulgarity" not allowed on this site?
- wtf are you and why do you think you are in charge?
> address tagged/ flagged and reported if you so
> choose to keep that alnguage up.
great, you are a fucking retard with a God complex.
> In the mean time lets concentrate on the issues of
> this blog to disseminate inforation relevant to
> the case of Mattfeld versus the Commonwealth of
> Virginia
wow fucktard, it's a forum, not a blog.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/01/2007 10:54PM by Gravis.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Rules as Posted
()
Date: October 01, 2007 10:58PM
[Trolls]
Do not feed the trolls.
As with any anonymous forum, people will sometimes make inflammatory remarks for the pleasure of getting a reaction. These posters are called trolls. Please do not give them the pleasure of a response, they don't deserve it. Ignore them completely and go on with the discussion as if they never posted. Without the anticipated slew of angry responses trolls will get bored and leave.
Please do not let the trolls deter you from posting.
[Moderation]
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* Spam
* Posting complete garbage that has nothing to do with the topic or thread
* Personal attacks on other posters
Posts are not edited for lewdness, correctness or vulgarity as long as they do not violate one of the rules above.
Users who repeatedly violate the rules will be warned. If the warning is not heeded the user will be banned from posting.
No legitimate post will ever be altered or deleted, regardless of how controversial, without a court order. Free, open, and anonymous means that you can express any thought, idea or opinion without fear of censorship.
[Privacy]
Your privacy is extremely important. As such:
No information obtained through this site will ever be sold or passed on in any way.
No information concerning the identity of a poster/viewer will ever be provided to any individual or organization.
Do not feed the trolls.
As with any anonymous forum, people will sometimes make inflammatory remarks for the pleasure of getting a reaction. These posters are called trolls. Please do not give them the pleasure of a response, they don't deserve it. Ignore them completely and go on with the discussion as if they never posted. Without the anticipated slew of angry responses trolls will get bored and leave.
Please do not let the trolls deter you from posting.
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: October 02, 2007 07:42AM
Enough Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You guys are reaching... if this.... if that....
> if grandma had balls she'd be grandpa.
> Enough already, please read Interested Bystanders
> post, it is the most sensible post on this board.
> The rest of this stuff is sad, a bunch of Jonny
> come latelys with all this great advice and
> evidence. STOP IT!!!! let the authorities do their
> job, and realize that her attorney will be privy
> to any and all evidence that the prosecution uses.
> So all the bombshells drop in this forum will be
> negated.
>
> All this board is doing is making sure that she
> can't get a fair and impartial trial,which means
> she will walk, or the case will be moved to
> another jurisdiction, where they won't care about
> the community. So all you well intended legal
> beagles and Magnum PI's are doing more damage than
> you are good.
>
> Now I am sure there will be several idiotic
> responses to this post, so have it.
you watch too many crime shows.... The odds of this case ever going to a jury trail is slim.
and I can't help but wonder why you would want to silence the evidence and litsa's prior conduct that has been mentioned here.
are you a friend of litsa's? or maybe you've served on the PTA with her and it scares you that YOU might be charged or sued by the community.
Maybe you can tell us why Litsa pushed so hard for Navy to change from a PTA to a PTO?
-------------------------------------------------------
> You guys are reaching... if this.... if that....
> if grandma had balls she'd be grandpa.
> Enough already, please read Interested Bystanders
> post, it is the most sensible post on this board.
> The rest of this stuff is sad, a bunch of Jonny
> come latelys with all this great advice and
> evidence. STOP IT!!!! let the authorities do their
> job, and realize that her attorney will be privy
> to any and all evidence that the prosecution uses.
> So all the bombshells drop in this forum will be
> negated.
>
> All this board is doing is making sure that she
> can't get a fair and impartial trial,which means
> she will walk, or the case will be moved to
> another jurisdiction, where they won't care about
> the community. So all you well intended legal
> beagles and Magnum PI's are doing more damage than
> you are good.
>
> Now I am sure there will be several idiotic
> responses to this post, so have it.
you watch too many crime shows.... The odds of this case ever going to a jury trail is slim.
and I can't help but wonder why you would want to silence the evidence and litsa's prior conduct that has been mentioned here.
are you a friend of litsa's? or maybe you've served on the PTA with her and it scares you that YOU might be charged or sued by the community.
Maybe you can tell us why Litsa pushed so hard for Navy to change from a PTA to a PTO?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: October 02, 2007 09:02AM
omg this wen page is fucking hilarious, lol
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
§
()
Date: October 02, 2007 11:40AM
I still would like to know the answer to my original questions........
Did the PTO Board of Directors or presiding officers sign-off on the books? If so, the liability becomes shared.
Does anyone have a copy of the by-laws to post?
Can anyone confirm if this organization operates as a 501(c) non-profit entity or is it on a grassroots level?
This would help clear up most of the finger-pointing nonsense. -§
Did the PTO Board of Directors or presiding officers sign-off on the books? If so, the liability becomes shared.
Does anyone have a copy of the by-laws to post?
Can anyone confirm if this organization operates as a 501(c) non-profit entity or is it on a grassroots level?
This would help clear up most of the finger-pointing nonsense. -§
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: October 02, 2007 12:13PM
§ Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I still would like to know the answer to my
> original questions........
>
> Did the PTO Board of Directors or presiding
> officers sign-off on the books? If so, the
> liability becomes shared.
>
> Does anyone have a copy of the by-laws to post?
>
> Can anyone confirm if this organization operates
> as a 501(c) non-profit entity or is it on a
> grassroots level?
>
> This would help clear up most of the
> finger-pointing nonsense. -§
My understanding is that if this was a PTA that it was an actual legal entity of some sort that paid dues to the national PTA organization. This would require filing a tax return and keeping records, I would have to assume it was a 501(c) 3 or some sort of association by IRS guidelines. The point of switching over to a PTO, which is not affiliated with the PTA, would be to avoid paying national dues.
It seems to me that the IRS and Federal banking authorities could be looking into this if more traditional criminal proceedings yield nothing.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I still would like to know the answer to my
> original questions........
>
> Did the PTO Board of Directors or presiding
> officers sign-off on the books? If so, the
> liability becomes shared.
>
> Does anyone have a copy of the by-laws to post?
>
> Can anyone confirm if this organization operates
> as a 501(c) non-profit entity or is it on a
> grassroots level?
>
> This would help clear up most of the
> finger-pointing nonsense. -§
My understanding is that if this was a PTA that it was an actual legal entity of some sort that paid dues to the national PTA organization. This would require filing a tax return and keeping records, I would have to assume it was a 501(c) 3 or some sort of association by IRS guidelines. The point of switching over to a PTO, which is not affiliated with the PTA, would be to avoid paying national dues.
It seems to me that the IRS and Federal banking authorities could be looking into this if more traditional criminal proceedings yield nothing.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
DUHidiots
()
Date: October 02, 2007 01:35PM
So, what happened at the PTO meeting this morning? Did anyone attend??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: October 02, 2007 02:59PM
My guess is that Litsa convinced everybody they were not allowed to post any more damaging information about her on FFX Undergound.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: October 02, 2007 03:14PM
Jester Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> My guess is that Litsa convinced everybody they
> were not allowed to post any more damaging
> information about her on FFX Undergound.
...or threatened.
-------------------------------------------------------
> My guess is that Litsa convinced everybody they
> were not allowed to post any more damaging
> information about her on FFX Undergound.
...or threatened.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy PTA Survivor
()
Date: October 02, 2007 03:30PM
Jester Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> My guess is that Litsa convinced everybody they
> were not allowed to post any more damaging
> information about her on FFX Undergound.
My God. If only that were true!
I am one of the few survivors from this morning's meeting. About halfway through, the donuts ran out. Litsa began biting huge chunks out of the assorted soccer moms and stay-at-home dads. It was a tragedy of unimaginable proportions!
I thank God I had the sense to save one of the donuts, which I threw into the hallway. It took Litsa only seconds to eat it, but it was enough time for me to escape!
-------------------------------------------------------
> My guess is that Litsa convinced everybody they
> were not allowed to post any more damaging
> information about her on FFX Undergound.
My God. If only that were true!
I am one of the few survivors from this morning's meeting. About halfway through, the donuts ran out. Litsa began biting huge chunks out of the assorted soccer moms and stay-at-home dads. It was a tragedy of unimaginable proportions!
I thank God I had the sense to save one of the donuts, which I threw into the hallway. It took Litsa only seconds to eat it, but it was enough time for me to escape!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
§
()
Date: October 02, 2007 04:13PM
Do any of the PTO members responding to this thread write-off their donations and receive a donor voucher for their donations? If so, then they're likely a 501(c)3 and would need to be duly formed entity in VA where they are subject to federal and state laws on board member accountability to sign-off on the books at whichever frequency (to the best of my knowledge, most states are quarterly). If not, then perhaps this opens up another can of worms for the IRS to look into regarding donors and their ability to make these deductions and whether they were misled about the PTO's tax status. If I'm not mistaken, the PTO would need to keep organization records regardless of status if they are receiving interest income on these donations and have a duty to report to its donor-members of the status of fund allocation. The filing of returns depends on the donor levels. I believe VA has a cap of $25k for 501(c)3's to file returns if annual donations, including any interest income, exceed this amount. The status of the organization can be obtained through the secretary of state's office in VA which has a website to search. The other comments can be verified in the IRS regs at irs.gov, of which I have no desire to read at the moment. LOL. -§
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 02, 2007 05:00PM
If Litsa was a good con she would of gone to the meeting today and had some excuse like "it was just an accounting error, we forgot to put an account on the books."
Then she should of cried and said some real emotional stuff, how much this is hurting her emotionally, how people pick on her because of her weight problem etc... Then end with a threat like her lawyer is tracking down all these people who are posting and she is going to sue them.
I think most of the soccer Moms' would fall for that easily.
Then she should of cried and said some real emotional stuff, how much this is hurting her emotionally, how people pick on her because of her weight problem etc... Then end with a threat like her lawyer is tracking down all these people who are posting and she is going to sue them.
I think most of the soccer Moms' would fall for that easily.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
ENOUGH
()
Date: October 02, 2007 05:03PM
To Former Navy Mom: Your dumb ass wrote; "you watch too many crime shows.... The odds of this case ever going to a jury trail is slim.
and I can't help but wonder why you would want to silence the evidence and litsa's prior conduct that has been mentioned here.
are you a friend of litsa's? or maybe you've served on the PTA with her and it scares you that YOU might be charged or sued by the community.
Maybe you can tell us why Litsa pushed so hard for Navy to change from a PTA to a PTO?"
You are the reason I wrote the post, I could really care less if you bring up her prior alledged conduct but it only encourages former navy mom to make more idiot statements, and it's not going to do any good. If the authorities need evidence I am sure thet won't come to this board to get it. It is a good thing that you are a former navy mom, that explains why they are making progress.You were so involved with the school, so explain why she was allowed to go unchecked for so long? You should be proud.
You have got to be kidding with the "Maybe you can tell us why Litsa pushed so hard for Navy to change from a PTA to a PTO?" it is because of that change that she was busted. Please stick to your soap operas and mall walks and stop trying to sound intelligent around grown ups.
and I can't help but wonder why you would want to silence the evidence and litsa's prior conduct that has been mentioned here.
are you a friend of litsa's? or maybe you've served on the PTA with her and it scares you that YOU might be charged or sued by the community.
Maybe you can tell us why Litsa pushed so hard for Navy to change from a PTA to a PTO?"
You are the reason I wrote the post, I could really care less if you bring up her prior alledged conduct but it only encourages former navy mom to make more idiot statements, and it's not going to do any good. If the authorities need evidence I am sure thet won't come to this board to get it. It is a good thing that you are a former navy mom, that explains why they are making progress.You were so involved with the school, so explain why she was allowed to go unchecked for so long? You should be proud.
You have got to be kidding with the "Maybe you can tell us why Litsa pushed so hard for Navy to change from a PTA to a PTO?" it is because of that change that she was busted. Please stick to your soap operas and mall walks and stop trying to sound intelligent around grown ups.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Maybe Navy Father
()
Date: October 02, 2007 05:24PM
Is it because Associations are legal entities bound by accounting laws and taxes and Organizations are not?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: October 02, 2007 05:30PM
ENOUGH Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> To Former Navy Mom: Your dumb ass wrote; "you
> watch too many crime shows.... The odds of this
> case ever going to a jury trail is slim.
>
>
> and I can't help but wonder why you would want to
> silence the evidence and litsa's prior conduct
> that has been mentioned here.
>
>
>
> are you a friend of litsa's? or maybe you've
> served on the PTA with her and it scares you that
> YOU might be charged or sued by the community.
>
>
>
> Maybe you can tell us why Litsa pushed so hard for
> Navy to change from a PTA to a PTO?"
>
> You are the reason I wrote the post, I could
> really care less if you bring up her prior
> alledged conduct but it only encourages former
> navy mom to make more idiot statements, and it's
> not going to do any good. If the authorities need
> evidence I am sure thet won't come to this board
> to get it. It is a good thing that you are a
> former navy mom, that explains why they are making
> progress.You were so involved with the school, so
> explain why she was allowed to go unchecked for so
> long? You should be proud.
>
> You have got to be kidding with the "Maybe you can
> tell us why Litsa pushed so hard for Navy to
> change from a PTA to a PTO?" it is because of that
> change that she was busted. Please stick to your
> soap operas and mall walks and stop trying to
> sound intelligent around grown ups.
dear dumb bitch,
wtf is your problem? too many nights alone or are you out of meds?
or better yet, you're a former officer of the PTA who had her hand up her twat while Litsa was stealing money and are scared shitless that YOU'RE going to be arrested or sued.
Litsa getting caught had nothing to do with changing over to the PTO, that was her way of covering up her crimes.
stupid bitch.
-------------------------------------------------------
> To Former Navy Mom: Your dumb ass wrote; "you
> watch too many crime shows.... The odds of this
> case ever going to a jury trail is slim.
>
>
> and I can't help but wonder why you would want to
> silence the evidence and litsa's prior conduct
> that has been mentioned here.
>
>
>
> are you a friend of litsa's? or maybe you've
> served on the PTA with her and it scares you that
> YOU might be charged or sued by the community.
>
>
>
> Maybe you can tell us why Litsa pushed so hard for
> Navy to change from a PTA to a PTO?"
>
> You are the reason I wrote the post, I could
> really care less if you bring up her prior
> alledged conduct but it only encourages former
> navy mom to make more idiot statements, and it's
> not going to do any good. If the authorities need
> evidence I am sure thet won't come to this board
> to get it. It is a good thing that you are a
> former navy mom, that explains why they are making
> progress.You were so involved with the school, so
> explain why she was allowed to go unchecked for so
> long? You should be proud.
>
> You have got to be kidding with the "Maybe you can
> tell us why Litsa pushed so hard for Navy to
> change from a PTA to a PTO?" it is because of that
> change that she was busted. Please stick to your
> soap operas and mall walks and stop trying to
> sound intelligent around grown ups.
dear dumb bitch,
wtf is your problem? too many nights alone or are you out of meds?
or better yet, you're a former officer of the PTA who had her hand up her twat while Litsa was stealing money and are scared shitless that YOU'RE going to be arrested or sued.
Litsa getting caught had nothing to do with changing over to the PTO, that was her way of covering up her crimes.
stupid bitch.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
frown face
()
Date: October 02, 2007 05:47PM
Wow.. former navy mom: I can't believe that you are somebody's mother. Your language is unbelievable. Really nasty.. Funny thing is, I must know you if you were volunteering at Navy the years you said you were. And, if you think that changing to the PTO was a way of covering up her crimes -- well, now.. it really didn't work - did it?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
ENOUGH
()
Date: October 02, 2007 05:47PM
To "former navy mom" your dumb ass wrote: dear dumb bitch,
wtf is your problem? too many nights alone or are you out of meds?
or better yet, you're a former officer of the PTA who had her hand up her twat while Litsa was stealing money and are scared shitless that YOU'RE going to be arrested or sued.
Litsa getting caught had nothing to do with changing over to the PTO, that was her way of covering up her crimes.
stupid bitch.
It is obvious that you were just a former navy mom and not a student,that explains why you can't read. When the PTA changed to the PTO, all of the PTA accounts were to be closed, when she used an account owned by the PTA, the bank flagged it and contacted NAVY PTO about the suspicious activity on the account. I know writing this is useless, because your stupid ass won't be able to read the words with more than one syllable. READING IS FUNDA..... aw forget it you won't understand.
wtf is your problem? too many nights alone or are you out of meds?
or better yet, you're a former officer of the PTA who had her hand up her twat while Litsa was stealing money and are scared shitless that YOU'RE going to be arrested or sued.
Litsa getting caught had nothing to do with changing over to the PTO, that was her way of covering up her crimes.
stupid bitch.
It is obvious that you were just a former navy mom and not a student,that explains why you can't read. When the PTA changed to the PTO, all of the PTA accounts were to be closed, when she used an account owned by the PTA, the bank flagged it and contacted NAVY PTO about the suspicious activity on the account. I know writing this is useless, because your stupid ass won't be able to read the words with more than one syllable. READING IS FUNDA..... aw forget it you won't understand.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: October 02, 2007 05:52PM
Alright! Now we're talking, a good ole fashion cat-fight!
This type of argument is best settled in person. I suggest the Navy field, high noon this Saturday. I'll bring a baby pool and fill it baby oil.
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This type of argument is best settled in person. I suggest the Navy field, high noon this Saturday. I'll bring a baby pool and fill it baby oil.
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: October 02, 2007 07:30PM
ENOUGH Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> To "former navy mom" your dumb ass wrote: dear
> dumb bitch,
>
>
> wtf is your problem? too many nights alone or are
> you out of meds?
>
> or better yet, you're a former officer of the PTA
> who had her hand up her twat while Litsa was
> stealing money and are scared shitless that YOU'RE
> going to be arrested or sued.
>
>
>
> Litsa getting caught had nothing to do with
> changing over to the PTO, that was her way of
> covering up her crimes.
>
> stupid bitch.
>
>
> It is obvious that you were just a former navy mom
> and not a student,that explains why you can't
> read. When the PTA changed to the PTO, all of the
> PTA accounts were to be closed, when she used an
> account owned by the PTA, the bank flagged it and
> contacted NAVY PTO about the suspicious activity
> on the account. I know writing this is useless,
> because your stupid ass won't be able to read the
> words with more than one syllable. READING IS
> FUNDA..... aw forget it you won't understand.
dear dumb bitch,
not all the PTA accounts were closed,because she used an existing account.
go troll where you'll be among people more like yourself... Like the frigid bitch forum
-------------------------------------------------------
> To "former navy mom" your dumb ass wrote: dear
> dumb bitch,
>
>
> wtf is your problem? too many nights alone or are
> you out of meds?
>
> or better yet, you're a former officer of the PTA
> who had her hand up her twat while Litsa was
> stealing money and are scared shitless that YOU'RE
> going to be arrested or sued.
>
>
>
> Litsa getting caught had nothing to do with
> changing over to the PTO, that was her way of
> covering up her crimes.
>
> stupid bitch.
>
>
> It is obvious that you were just a former navy mom
> and not a student,that explains why you can't
> read. When the PTA changed to the PTO, all of the
> PTA accounts were to be closed, when she used an
> account owned by the PTA, the bank flagged it and
> contacted NAVY PTO about the suspicious activity
> on the account. I know writing this is useless,
> because your stupid ass won't be able to read the
> words with more than one syllable. READING IS
> FUNDA..... aw forget it you won't understand.
dear dumb bitch,
not all the PTA accounts were closed,because she used an existing account.
go troll where you'll be among people more like yourself... Like the frigid bitch forum
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
ENOUGH
()
Date: October 02, 2007 07:41PM
To: Former Navy Mom and Current Village Idiot, STUPID when she used the open account that was supposed to be closed they flagged it, and reported the activity. Look quit responding because you get dumber and dumber with each post.
"like the fridgid bitch forum" um that was really cold. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"like the fridgid bitch forum" um that was really cold. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: October 02, 2007 07:42PM
frown face Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Wow.. former navy mom: I can't believe that you
> are somebody's mother. Your language is
> unbelievable. Really nasty.. Funny thing is, I
> must know you if you were volunteering at Navy the
> years you said you were. And, if you think that
> changing to the PTO was a way of covering up her
> crimes -- well, now.. it really didn't work - did
> it?
I'm sorry if my language distrubed your delicate holier than thou suburban eyes, but why are you more disturbed by my language than the fact that litsa stole 180,000 PLUS
no her plan didn't work.... as a matter of fact it did the opposite
-------------------------------------------------------
> Wow.. former navy mom: I can't believe that you
> are somebody's mother. Your language is
> unbelievable. Really nasty.. Funny thing is, I
> must know you if you were volunteering at Navy the
> years you said you were. And, if you think that
> changing to the PTO was a way of covering up her
> crimes -- well, now.. it really didn't work - did
> it?
I'm sorry if my language distrubed your delicate holier than thou suburban eyes, but why are you more disturbed by my language than the fact that litsa stole 180,000 PLUS
no her plan didn't work.... as a matter of fact it did the opposite
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
hanging judge
()
Date: October 02, 2007 07:47PM
I heard that someone wrote a letter to certain media outlets about Lista and asked them to do a story so the court would be pressured to pursue jail time.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
hmm
()
Date: October 02, 2007 07:52PM
Yikes, I need to read this whole thread to figure this crap out.
But from first glance, this person should already be in jail.
But from first glance, this person should already be in jail.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: October 02, 2007 07:58PM
ENOUGH Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> To: Former Navy Mom and Current Village Idiot,
> STUPID when she used the open account that was
> supposed to be closed they flagged it, and
> reported the activity. Look quit responding
> because you get dumber and dumber with each post.
>
> "like the fridgid bitch forum" um that was really
> cold. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
dear stupid, frigid bitch
you are a imbecile
Banks don't work that way
how would the bank's computer know what account "SHOULD" have been closed?
there was a lot of activity on an account that had been inactive for some time
Activity on an inactive account would raise a red flag....moron.
-------------------------------------------------------
> To: Former Navy Mom and Current Village Idiot,
> STUPID when she used the open account that was
> supposed to be closed they flagged it, and
> reported the activity. Look quit responding
> because you get dumber and dumber with each post.
>
> "like the fridgid bitch forum" um that was really
> cold. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
dear stupid, frigid bitch
you are a imbecile
Banks don't work that way
how would the bank's computer know what account "SHOULD" have been closed?
there was a lot of activity on an account that had been inactive for some time
Activity on an inactive account would raise a red flag....moron.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
ENOUGH
()
Date: October 02, 2007 08:16PM
To:Former Navy Mom and Even Bigger Idiot than anyone could have imagined. I am through talking to you, my stupidnese isn't as fluent as yours. You win whatever you say.
Wow your brillance is mind boggling.
Good job, you told me.
ps: Banks run on computers, but it was a human that knew that the PTA accounts should've been closed, so any activity on them would rasie suspicion, but you're right a banks computer ..... never mind.
You must make your family SO proud.
Wow your brillance is mind boggling.
Good job, you told me.
ps: Banks run on computers, but it was a human that knew that the PTA accounts should've been closed, so any activity on them would rasie suspicion, but you're right a banks computer ..... never mind.
You must make your family SO proud.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Village Person
()
Date: October 02, 2007 08:30PM
Maybe I'm unaware of modern PTA's, but how does a PTA raise $180,000 even over many years let alone lose track of it. That's a whole lot of cupcakes at bake sales.
In the navy
Yes, you can put your mind at ease
In the navy
Come on now, people, make a stand
In the navy, in the navy
Can't you see we need a hand
In the navy
In the navy
Yes, you can put your mind at ease
In the navy
Come on now, people, make a stand
In the navy, in the navy
Can't you see we need a hand
In the navy
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
edster
()
Date: October 02, 2007 08:55PM
What abunch of sick whining puppies have a glass of wine and quit wining
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
kd
()
Date: October 02, 2007 10:11PM
Things are getting a little heated here. I think we need to let the issue go, it's destroying the navy community. Who cares the money is gone. We need to focus on doing things for the kids.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: October 03, 2007 12:50AM
ENOUGH,
the grownups are talking here, go sit in the corner.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
the grownups are talking here, go sit in the corner.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
need to know
()
Date: October 03, 2007 08:06AM
Back to the questions of yesterday, does anyone really know what happened at the meeting? 27 days until her appearance in court and we need to be there in number. The name calling and bickering back and forth is not what this "forum" is about. Those that want to do that should go elsewhere, lets keep this open to find additional ways to convict Mattfeld for her wrong doings. What did Katie Hand have to say yesterday at the meeting? Was she there? What about former members of the PTO/PTA were they present? How many were in attendance? What was the attitude/mood? I feel many are hiding behind your keyboards and will not stand up and be seen, just like it was at Navy only the core group and now many of you are hiding away hoping this does not come and find you. Beware if you were invovled it will find you. FCPD is doing a fine job in this investigation, for all that say this is a small crime, don't be so sure that this will just be brushed under.
TROLLS have at me and leave anumber I'll call you.
Bosco
TROLLS have at me and leave anumber I'll call you.
Bosco
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: October 03, 2007 08:25AM
Dear "frown face" and Enough,
This was a message board where people came to share information and opinions about Litsa Mattfeld being charged with embezzling 180,000 from the Navy PTA
Most people were here trying to understand how something like that could happen over a period of time without other officers of the PTA and teachers finding out
This was a place where people could share ideas, information, gossip, and facts
You two show up here and proceed to insult and incite everyone here with your petty, inane comments and personal insults
Both of you are bitter vindictive women who trolled this message board looking for attention and seeking to take out your feelings of insecurity by insulting your neighbors
Only women who are social outcasts in a community would come to a message board and anonymously insult everyone on it with such anger, arrogance, and condescension
I will be at Litsa's hearing on Oct 30. You are welcome to seek me out and talk to me face to face.
There are people here who are searching for the truth about what Litsa did because we care about Navy, our community and want justice.
You should both consider counseling.
This was a message board where people came to share information and opinions about Litsa Mattfeld being charged with embezzling 180,000 from the Navy PTA
Most people were here trying to understand how something like that could happen over a period of time without other officers of the PTA and teachers finding out
This was a place where people could share ideas, information, gossip, and facts
You two show up here and proceed to insult and incite everyone here with your petty, inane comments and personal insults
Both of you are bitter vindictive women who trolled this message board looking for attention and seeking to take out your feelings of insecurity by insulting your neighbors
Only women who are social outcasts in a community would come to a message board and anonymously insult everyone on it with such anger, arrogance, and condescension
I will be at Litsa's hearing on Oct 30. You are welcome to seek me out and talk to me face to face.
There are people here who are searching for the truth about what Litsa did because we care about Navy, our community and want justice.
You should both consider counseling.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 03, 2007 08:52AM
I wouldn't be surprise if Litsa is posting here trying to muddy the water so it distracts from her crime. She's probably pretty good at mis-direction.
Why would Litsa want a PTO? Simple, more control and maybe she could cash out her secret PTA account because it wouldn't show up on new PTO books.
Litsa probably got caught because some sharp bank employee said, "WTF? Did I miss this account with $180,000 when we rolled all the money into the new PTO accounts?" Litsa probably didn't count on a sharp bank employee, maybe she figured if caught she could talk her way out it and had a great excuse. That a bank employee wouldn't question the President of a PTA organization.
I am also interesting in hearing what happened at yesterday's meeting. Somebody with an ID log into navypto.org and see if the minutes are posted?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/03/2007 12:05PM by Lurker..
Why would Litsa want a PTO? Simple, more control and maybe she could cash out her secret PTA account because it wouldn't show up on new PTO books.
Litsa probably got caught because some sharp bank employee said, "WTF? Did I miss this account with $180,000 when we rolled all the money into the new PTO accounts?" Litsa probably didn't count on a sharp bank employee, maybe she figured if caught she could talk her way out it and had a great excuse. That a bank employee wouldn't question the President of a PTA organization.
I am also interesting in hearing what happened at yesterday's meeting. Somebody with an ID log into navypto.org and see if the minutes are posted?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/03/2007 12:05PM by Lurker..
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Enough
()
Date: October 03, 2007 09:26AM
To: Former Navy Mom, I will seek counseling, What is the name of your shrink, maybe I can join you on your next visit.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The TRUTH
()
Date: October 03, 2007 09:29AM
Switch from PTA - PTO was a cover to close out the PTA bank account and start fresh. Probably Mrs. Mattfeld's idea to switch PTA to PTO and done very swiftly with her direction. All the case evidence and details can not be forwarded onto this website. It is an on going investigation. Be patient. BUT please toss out any rumors, ideas, or thoughts. So far this website has been very helpful in opening doors.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Mr.PoopiePants
()
Date: October 03, 2007 09:52AM
need to know,
You said, "The name calling and bickering back and forth is not what this "forum" is about. Those that want to do that should go elsewhere, lets keep this open to find additional ways to convict Mattfeld for her wrong doings."
Why do you get to decide what this forum is about? If you want a forum run by your rules, start your own forum. This thread has completely run its course.
/s/ Mr. Poopie Pants
PS - former navy mom, Enough, and frown face. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you ALL have issues. I feel bad for your kids.
You said, "The name calling and bickering back and forth is not what this "forum" is about. Those that want to do that should go elsewhere, lets keep this open to find additional ways to convict Mattfeld for her wrong doings."
Why do you get to decide what this forum is about? If you want a forum run by your rules, start your own forum. This thread has completely run its course.
/s/ Mr. Poopie Pants
PS - former navy mom, Enough, and frown face. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you ALL have issues. I feel bad for your kids.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: October 03, 2007 09:54AM
According to the washington post...
In June, security officers at BB&T bank noticed unusual activity in the old PTA account, Officer Eddy Azcarate said. He said the bank contacted the new PTO officials, who were surprised because they thought the account had been closed.
In late June, the bank contacted police, and detectives from a financial crimes unit took over, Azcarate said.
Police think the PTA funds were embezzled during a five-year period, Azcarate said. He did not know what happened to the money or how the PTA raised such sums.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/23/AR2007082302185.html
I'm going to try to make sense of this from the info in this article..
it seems that litsa opened a account at BB&T separate from the other PTA account, possibly when she first became an officer of the PTA
I'm going to assume that she was writitng checks to herself and her husband from the PTA account and depositing them into this "other" account.
This account was inactive for some time, since Litsa was no longer President, and the other PTA account was closed
Once Litsa started withdrawing money from this account, a red flag was raised, because of the new banking regulations.... possibly she tried to withdraw more than 10,000 at one time or withdrew more than 5,000 a few times... All which would raise a red flag due to the Bank secrecy act under the Patriot Act...and BB&T's bank security department investigated..
Once BB&T's security looked into it and they saw that the other accounts were closed, they notified the PTO... which didn't report it to the police... ( Possibly becasue BB&T were investigating it and questioning Litsa)
After a full investigation, BB&T notified the police.
I'm sure Litsa was questioned by both the PTO and the bank about the account, before the police was called ... Litsa realized that she was caught and got herself a lawyer....
I don't remember the PTA ever raising so much money a year that $30-50,000 could have been overlooked by anyone
In June, security officers at BB&T bank noticed unusual activity in the old PTA account, Officer Eddy Azcarate said. He said the bank contacted the new PTO officials, who were surprised because they thought the account had been closed.
In late June, the bank contacted police, and detectives from a financial crimes unit took over, Azcarate said.
Police think the PTA funds were embezzled during a five-year period, Azcarate said. He did not know what happened to the money or how the PTA raised such sums.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/23/AR2007082302185.html
I'm going to try to make sense of this from the info in this article..
it seems that litsa opened a account at BB&T separate from the other PTA account, possibly when she first became an officer of the PTA
I'm going to assume that she was writitng checks to herself and her husband from the PTA account and depositing them into this "other" account.
This account was inactive for some time, since Litsa was no longer President, and the other PTA account was closed
Once Litsa started withdrawing money from this account, a red flag was raised, because of the new banking regulations.... possibly she tried to withdraw more than 10,000 at one time or withdrew more than 5,000 a few times... All which would raise a red flag due to the Bank secrecy act under the Patriot Act...and BB&T's bank security department investigated..
Once BB&T's security looked into it and they saw that the other accounts were closed, they notified the PTO... which didn't report it to the police... ( Possibly becasue BB&T were investigating it and questioning Litsa)
After a full investigation, BB&T notified the police.
I'm sure Litsa was questioned by both the PTO and the bank about the account, before the police was called ... Litsa realized that she was caught and got herself a lawyer....
I don't remember the PTA ever raising so much money a year that $30-50,000 could have been overlooked by anyone
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: October 03, 2007 10:16AM
Lurker. Wrote:
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>
> Why would Litsa want a PTO? Simple, more control
> and maybe she could cash out her secret PTA
> account because it wouldn't show up on new PTO
> books.
>
>
I have to agree with that. People who embezzle don't usually just stop doing it. They try to figure out ways to take more while reducing the odds of getting caught.
The national PTA was probably starting to figure out that the fees they were getting weren't jiving with a group the size of Navy. If that were the case, the national PTA may have been asking for more fees or more justification for the fees they were being paid.If so, and if Litsa was doing what she is being alleged to have done, she may have pushed for the switch to the PTO on the grounds that the national PTA was getting greedy.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Why would Litsa want a PTO? Simple, more control
> and maybe she could cash out her secret PTA
> account because it wouldn't show up on new PTO
> books.
>
>
I have to agree with that. People who embezzle don't usually just stop doing it. They try to figure out ways to take more while reducing the odds of getting caught.
The national PTA was probably starting to figure out that the fees they were getting weren't jiving with a group the size of Navy. If that were the case, the national PTA may have been asking for more fees or more justification for the fees they were being paid.If so, and if Litsa was doing what she is being alleged to have done, she may have pushed for the switch to the PTO on the grounds that the national PTA was getting greedy.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Enough
()
Date: October 03, 2007 10:48AM
To Mr Poopie Pants: Any grown man that would call himself Mr. PoopiePants.... need I say more. It's a shame when you house husbands have too much time on your hands.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Mr.PoopiePants
()
Date: October 03, 2007 10:55AM
Enough,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I said I feel bad for your kids, and I do, but looking back over your previous posts, I feel horrible for your spouse. But, I bet they are no longer there. Right?!? What I find truly hilarious is the way you insult everyone else, yet you are as intelligent as a goldfish I had when I was a kid.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I said I feel bad for your kids, and I do, but looking back over your previous posts, I feel horrible for your spouse. But, I bet they are no longer there. Right?!? What I find truly hilarious is the way you insult everyone else, yet you are as intelligent as a goldfish I had when I was a kid.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Litsa
()
Date: October 03, 2007 11:52AM
From now on...lets consider any reply that re-directs from finding the truth, is nasty, or personally attacking AS BEING FROM LITSA.
Any comments like those should be ignored and not given the satisfaction of a reply. She is probably enjoying seeing everyone's panties in a twist. Don't give her the satisfaction.
Any comments like those should be ignored and not given the satisfaction of a reply. She is probably enjoying seeing everyone's panties in a twist. Don't give her the satisfaction.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 03, 2007 12:23PM
My guess is that the $180,000 is from donations, not dues. Maybe she solicited businesses and then deposited the money in her secret so called "PTA account."
Nobody ever checks the books of an organization to see if their donation was correctly recorded on their books. Even if Litsa gave them a receipt, so what, the vouchers and receipts could easily be fakes.
Good question is how do you get the money out of the account without raising suspicion? That's probably where the PTO plan came into play, a great way to roll the account some place else and cash out. Or, let the account sit quite for a while and then at some later point come back and withdrawal the money hoping nobody notices.
As for people in the PTA noticing, it would be close to impossible.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/03/2007 12:24PM by Lurker..
Nobody ever checks the books of an organization to see if their donation was correctly recorded on their books. Even if Litsa gave them a receipt, so what, the vouchers and receipts could easily be fakes.
Good question is how do you get the money out of the account without raising suspicion? That's probably where the PTO plan came into play, a great way to roll the account some place else and cash out. Or, let the account sit quite for a while and then at some later point come back and withdrawal the money hoping nobody notices.
As for people in the PTA noticing, it would be close to impossible.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/03/2007 12:24PM by Lurker..
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
need to know
()
Date: October 03, 2007 01:08PM
Mr Poopie Pants your a FAG!
Anyway back to the issue did anyone go to the meeting at Navy yesterday?
Anyway back to the issue did anyone go to the meeting at Navy yesterday?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Mr.PoopiePants
()
Date: October 03, 2007 01:20PM
Oh my God! Some random person called me a fag on an anonymous message board! I am shocked.
Who cares? This issue is so beat. Seriously though, I think what she did sucked, but this board is so sick of you petty little house fraus getting your parachute paties in a twist. If you cared that much, you would have attended the damn meeting yourself. If any of your men took care of you properly or even stuck around in the marriage (you know who I am talking about), you'd not have to spend all your time on a law enforcement problem. What the hell did any of you do before all this stuff came to light?
Who cares? This issue is so beat. Seriously though, I think what she did sucked, but this board is so sick of you petty little house fraus getting your parachute paties in a twist. If you cared that much, you would have attended the damn meeting yourself. If any of your men took care of you properly or even stuck around in the marriage (you know who I am talking about), you'd not have to spend all your time on a law enforcement problem. What the hell did any of you do before all this stuff came to light?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TRICKIE
()
Date: October 03, 2007 01:32PM
Were any of you PTO ladies friends with this Litsa woman? Didn't you ever wonder why she always volunteered to be the treasurer? Didn't the school finance officer have to sign off on any money spent or received? Are her kids nice? Is her husband gonna stick by her? Actually I hope you all do keep posting about this. I find it fascinating.
How many people were at the PTO meeting you just held?? Usually there are about ten people in attendance and those are the officers. It sounds like your PTO president is kind of a rum dumb. Didn't he/she ever notice that you were taking in lots of money but not much was in the account. I bet she is in cahoots with that Litsa girl. Keep us posted!!!!!!!
I was a room mother at St. Leo's one year but we only collected about $200 for the end of the year teacher gift. I just got a gift certificate for her at Springfield Mall even though she gave my kid a D in math. It would never occur to me to steal some of that money.
Trickie
How many people were at the PTO meeting you just held?? Usually there are about ten people in attendance and those are the officers. It sounds like your PTO president is kind of a rum dumb. Didn't he/she ever notice that you were taking in lots of money but not much was in the account. I bet she is in cahoots with that Litsa girl. Keep us posted!!!!!!!
I was a room mother at St. Leo's one year but we only collected about $200 for the end of the year teacher gift. I just got a gift certificate for her at Springfield Mall even though she gave my kid a D in math. It would never occur to me to steal some of that money.
Trickie
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Terri Radcliffe
()
Date: October 03, 2007 01:45PM
As a concerned parent, I attended the PTA meeting yesterday. The discussion revolved around current business and reports from the committee chairs for most of the meeting. Towards the latter part of the meeting there was an opportunity to discuss the embezzlement issue.
Everyone in attendance, PTO officer's included, want justice to be served and for Ms. Mattfeld to be held accountable for what she is alleged to have done (that being the embezzlement of $180,000). Of that, there is no doubt. The current PTO has a lot of business to be done and would like to spend time focusing on that current business, the school, the children, the teachers, and the New Year.
Also in attendance were several members of a Navy Community Group. This group is made up of numerous parents from current and previous school years, neighbors, teachers, and other concerned citizens. This group of folks are trying to provide a voice for the larger community as it relates to the Mattfeld crime, thus allowing the PTO more time to focus on their current job at hand.
It was discussed that Navy Community Voices has been established to harness the energy created by the outrage of this terrible crime and collectively put it toward seeking justice through the courts.
The concern of this group is to see that Navy Community Voices are heard, justice is served and that as a responsible community, the appropriate judicial methods are utilized to minimize the likelihood of this crime occurring again by this individual be zero.
To that end, it was discussed that a letter/petition has begun circulation in the Navy community and throughout the surrounding area. Volunteers will be canvassing affected neighborhoods and local events providing people opportunities to participate in this effort. Everyone is welcome to read and sign the letter thereby adding their voice to the collective community seeking justice for Mrs. Mattfeld in the Courts.
Several individuals (former Navy families) attended the PTO meeting specifically to sign this petition.
It was discussed that anyone needing further information or who would like to participate and help, can contact the group..........NavyCommunityVoices@yahoo.com
This is my synopsis for those folks who are concerned and for some former concerned Navy families who could not attend and might not have access to the PTO minutes which must be approved by the PTO before being posted on their site. Appropriately, you must be a member of the PTO with a log-in id to have access to the website.
It was a good meeting with very dedicated people in attendance who will work together to support and in the best interests of our children, our school, our teachers, and our community.
Everyone in attendance, PTO officer's included, want justice to be served and for Ms. Mattfeld to be held accountable for what she is alleged to have done (that being the embezzlement of $180,000). Of that, there is no doubt. The current PTO has a lot of business to be done and would like to spend time focusing on that current business, the school, the children, the teachers, and the New Year.
Also in attendance were several members of a Navy Community Group. This group is made up of numerous parents from current and previous school years, neighbors, teachers, and other concerned citizens. This group of folks are trying to provide a voice for the larger community as it relates to the Mattfeld crime, thus allowing the PTO more time to focus on their current job at hand.
It was discussed that Navy Community Voices has been established to harness the energy created by the outrage of this terrible crime and collectively put it toward seeking justice through the courts.
The concern of this group is to see that Navy Community Voices are heard, justice is served and that as a responsible community, the appropriate judicial methods are utilized to minimize the likelihood of this crime occurring again by this individual be zero.
To that end, it was discussed that a letter/petition has begun circulation in the Navy community and throughout the surrounding area. Volunteers will be canvassing affected neighborhoods and local events providing people opportunities to participate in this effort. Everyone is welcome to read and sign the letter thereby adding their voice to the collective community seeking justice for Mrs. Mattfeld in the Courts.
Several individuals (former Navy families) attended the PTO meeting specifically to sign this petition.
It was discussed that anyone needing further information or who would like to participate and help, can contact the group..........NavyCommunityVoices@yahoo.com
This is my synopsis for those folks who are concerned and for some former concerned Navy families who could not attend and might not have access to the PTO minutes which must be approved by the PTO before being posted on their site. Appropriately, you must be a member of the PTO with a log-in id to have access to the website.
It was a good meeting with very dedicated people in attendance who will work together to support and in the best interests of our children, our school, our teachers, and our community.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Enough
()
Date: October 03, 2007 01:56PM
To: Mr Poopie pants, just because your husband takes good care of you and allows you to stay home and play on the internet, (a house husband with way too much time on your hands) doesn't give you the right to talk about anyone else. You should be a little more humble.
Don't Ask Don't tell
Don't Ask Don't tell
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy MoM
()
Date: October 03, 2007 02:00PM
TRICKIE Wrote:
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> Were any of you PTO ladies friends with this Litsa
> woman? Didn't you ever wonder why she always
> volunteered to be the treasurer? Didn't the
> school finance officer have to sign off on any
> money spent or received? Are her kids nice? Is
> her husband gonna stick by her? Actually I hope
> you all do keep posting about this. I find it
> fascinating.
>
The PTA was a tight knit group. We thought we knew Litsa well, NOT. Her kids are very sweet. That should be the one thing that should drive her to admitting her guilt. The kids have been told, "she is innocent". They are seen out and about and the community feels their pain. They are innocent in this whole mess. Husband, probably will stick with her, don't think he is a real master mind or go getter. She is the brains and drive in the pair. Still think he is a part of the grand plan. Many of the Navy Community find this website informational and the car crash you can't turn away from. The last few loyal friends have left her side. They realize she feeding them another lie regarding the "pity me story".
Please keep posting information, we can use all your help.
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> Were any of you PTO ladies friends with this Litsa
> woman? Didn't you ever wonder why she always
> volunteered to be the treasurer? Didn't the
> school finance officer have to sign off on any
> money spent or received? Are her kids nice? Is
> her husband gonna stick by her? Actually I hope
> you all do keep posting about this. I find it
> fascinating.
>
The PTA was a tight knit group. We thought we knew Litsa well, NOT. Her kids are very sweet. That should be the one thing that should drive her to admitting her guilt. The kids have been told, "she is innocent". They are seen out and about and the community feels their pain. They are innocent in this whole mess. Husband, probably will stick with her, don't think he is a real master mind or go getter. She is the brains and drive in the pair. Still think he is a part of the grand plan. Many of the Navy Community find this website informational and the car crash you can't turn away from. The last few loyal friends have left her side. They realize she feeding them another lie regarding the "pity me story".
Please keep posting information, we can use all your help.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Mr.PoopiePants
()
Date: October 03, 2007 02:00PM
Yeah, OK. I must have hit too close to home when I mentioned your absentee spouse. But, out of curiousity, what is it that gives YOU the right to talk about anyone else?
btw, I work, I live with my wife and kids, maybe your husband should've tried that.
btw, I work, I live with my wife and kids, maybe your husband should've tried that.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TRICKIE
()
Date: October 03, 2007 02:02PM
Thank you, Terri for the great update on the PTO meeting. Now if someone would only answer my other little quirky questions, I would be very happy.
Trickie
Trickie
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: October 03, 2007 02:02PM
It seems to me that if Navy Community Voices wants to make sure this goes through the courts, they could better spend their time individually writing and calling the Fairfax County DA, the Washington Post, TV stations, etc, about this instead of posting on a site that probably very few people in the Navy Community read.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: October 03, 2007 02:05PM
TRICKIE Wrote:
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> Thank you, Terri for the great update on the PTO
> meeting. Now if someone would only answer my
> other little quirky questions, I would be very
> happy.
>
> Trickie
Conveniently, there are no answers to those questions.
I don't think it necessarily means anyone else was on the take. I think it means some people probably punted on their responsibilities and now don't want to admit it. If that's the case, they'd better be straight with the investigators or they are going to get burned.
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> Thank you, Terri for the great update on the PTO
> meeting. Now if someone would only answer my
> other little quirky questions, I would be very
> happy.
>
> Trickie
Conveniently, there are no answers to those questions.
I don't think it necessarily means anyone else was on the take. I think it means some people probably punted on their responsibilities and now don't want to admit it. If that's the case, they'd better be straight with the investigators or they are going to get burned.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TRICKIE
()
Date: October 03, 2007 02:11PM
Navy MoM, thanks for the scoop. You are my kinda woman!!! I am glad her kids are nice and are not stealing stuff or anything bad. It's good that they play sports and stuff so they can at least have a somewhat normal life while the mom goes to court and stuff. Probably it's a blessing that they just feel the mom is being unjustly charged . That way they can still view her as a mom and not a thief! Perhaps the husband is just a simpleton but if he was anything like my husband, he would be snooping around looking for my Visa bills and stuff like that! I have to hide my "personal purchases" sometimes in a special hiding place so he won't complain. ( ex. earrings from ice.com on sale, of course!!! or the cat's teeth cleaning which runs $400) Obviously, Mr. Litsa must not have noticed anything. Maybe she spent the money on Zoom teeth whitening or a non-surgical tummy tuck that would be hard to notice right away. ( the Junkies had that done recently)
Well thanks a bunch Navy Mom and also to Terri. You are the best!!!!!
Hugs, Trickie
Well thanks a bunch Navy Mom and also to Terri. You are the best!!!!!
Hugs, Trickie
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
yo
()
Date: October 03, 2007 06:27PM
I have to wonder why this thread is so long.
Who cares?
She broke the law, got busted, and will do time for it. Period.
Yes, her family will suffer, but it's her fault for doing what she did.
Who cares?
She broke the law, got busted, and will do time for it. Period.
Yes, her family will suffer, but it's her fault for doing what she did.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy MoM
()
Date: October 04, 2007 06:38AM
TRICKIE Wrote:
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> Navy MoM, thanks for the scoop. You are my kinda
> woman!!! I am glad her kids are nice and are not
> stealing stuff or anything bad. It's good that
> they play sports and stuff so they can at least
> have a somewhat normal life while the mom goes to
> court and stuff. Probably it's a blessing that
> they just feel the mom is being unjustly charged .
> That way they can still view her as a mom and not
> a thief! Perhaps the husband is just a simpleton
> but if he was anything like my husband, he would
> be snooping around looking for my Visa bills and
> stuff like that! I have to hide my "personal
> purchases" sometimes in a special hiding place so
> he won't complain. ( ex. earrings from ice.com on
> sale, of course!!! or the cat's teeth cleaning
> which runs $400) Obviously, Mr. Litsa must not
> have noticed anything. Maybe she spent the money
> on Zoom teeth whitening or a non-surgical tummy
> tuck that would be hard to notice right away. (
> the Junkies had that done recently)
> Hugs, Trickie
Her trying to "hide" the stolen money is like trying to hide an elephant under the bed. Earrings are one thing, but Ritz Carlton tea parties, etc. What kind of conversation would that be...."picked up some extra money, some where, just around." My opinion he knew about it. The evidence is overwhelming. I am sure the short fall in funds is hurting now. Zoom, NOPE. Tummy tuck, NOT for either of them. Navy was not her first victim.
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> Navy MoM, thanks for the scoop. You are my kinda
> woman!!! I am glad her kids are nice and are not
> stealing stuff or anything bad. It's good that
> they play sports and stuff so they can at least
> have a somewhat normal life while the mom goes to
> court and stuff. Probably it's a blessing that
> they just feel the mom is being unjustly charged .
> That way they can still view her as a mom and not
> a thief! Perhaps the husband is just a simpleton
> but if he was anything like my husband, he would
> be snooping around looking for my Visa bills and
> stuff like that! I have to hide my "personal
> purchases" sometimes in a special hiding place so
> he won't complain. ( ex. earrings from ice.com on
> sale, of course!!! or the cat's teeth cleaning
> which runs $400) Obviously, Mr. Litsa must not
> have noticed anything. Maybe she spent the money
> on Zoom teeth whitening or a non-surgical tummy
> tuck that would be hard to notice right away. (
> the Junkies had that done recently)
> Hugs, Trickie
Her trying to "hide" the stolen money is like trying to hide an elephant under the bed. Earrings are one thing, but Ritz Carlton tea parties, etc. What kind of conversation would that be...."picked up some extra money, some where, just around." My opinion he knew about it. The evidence is overwhelming. I am sure the short fall in funds is hurting now. Zoom, NOPE. Tummy tuck, NOT for either of them. Navy was not her first victim.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jimmy
()
Date: October 04, 2007 07:29AM
Does AOL trust the "innocent" husband? If he is a manager, does he have access to corporate, proprietary information?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
???????
()
Date: October 04, 2007 08:19AM
Does Jimmy's job know he's moonlighting as a private investigator? Wasting time posting on internet boards.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The TRUTH!!!
()
Date: October 04, 2007 08:43AM
Jimmy, has hit a nerve. ??????? Litsa.....? Still researching info. to prove Mr. Mattfeld is connected. Yeah, PI at work.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jimmy
()
Date: October 04, 2007 08:49AM
??????? Litsa?
Actually, yes. My extensive research and outside work is seen as giving back to the community. Time is not wasted. Questions posed are very germane to the thread.
BTW you made some gross assumptions not founded on fact.
Actually, yes. My extensive research and outside work is seen as giving back to the community. Time is not wasted. Questions posed are very germane to the thread.
BTW you made some gross assumptions not founded on fact.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
???????
()
Date: October 04, 2007 09:03AM
Wow you people are incredible, "extensive research"? Where was all of this "extensive research" when the money was disappearing, you should have been "giving back to the community" before now, maybe with all your super PI skills you could have prevented this. BTW what does this board have to do with making statements founded on fact, other than the fact that she is accused of embezzlement being posted on this board, everything thing else is speculation, hearsay, and pettiness.
For five years you all let her go unchecked and grinned her face while she alledgedly stole you blind, now you want to come to the rescue, gather eveidence and solve the case. The TRUTH is this could have been prevented, but this is what happens when you wait until something bad happens before you give back to the community.
For five years you all let her go unchecked and grinned her face while she alledgedly stole you blind, now you want to come to the rescue, gather eveidence and solve the case. The TRUTH is this could have been prevented, but this is what happens when you wait until something bad happens before you give back to the community.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 04, 2007 09:34AM
I like the way someone keeps posting trying to blame everybody else because "We let it happen." LOL
That's like a shoplifter blaming a store because items were left unprotected on store shelves. Give me a break!
Litsa can spin it anyway she wants, but this is 2007, people are wiser.
Thanks Terri for the update.
That's like a shoplifter blaming a store because items were left unprotected on store shelves. Give me a break!
Litsa can spin it anyway she wants, but this is 2007, people are wiser.
Thanks Terri for the update.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: October 04, 2007 09:48AM
Lurker. Wrote:
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> I like the way someone keeps posting trying to
> blame everybody else because "We let it happen."
> LOL
>
I wonder how many of those various posts are from the same IP address...in Chantilly.
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> I like the way someone keeps posting trying to
> blame everybody else because "We let it happen."
> LOL
>
I wonder how many of those various posts are from the same IP address...in Chantilly.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy MoM
()
Date: October 04, 2007 09:05PM
Still think Mr. Mattfeld was in on it. His Aol salary can be part of the payment. $100.00 a month til the money is paid back. No way he could not have known. Two embezzlements? (1) not charged + (1) charged & felony to top off. Come ON!!! What car does this boy drive? if she drives a Lexus. A GMC Pacer?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
car MAX
()
Date: October 04, 2007 09:37PM
Hey Navy MoM, the car your trying to refer to is an "AMC" Pacer you idiot. Now start getting the facts to the case correct!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
SRE
()
Date: October 04, 2007 10:58PM
this is the post that does not end, it just goes on and on my friend, some people started positing it, not knowing what it was, and they will continue posting it forever just because...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Resemblance
()
Date: October 04, 2007 11:01PM
car MAX Wrote:
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> Hey Navy MoM, the car your trying to refer to is
> an "AMC" Pacer you idiot. Now start getting the
> facts to the case correct!
Hey, don't call names.
Don't know what he was driving or riding....but there is a resemblance in shapes.... Litsa?? Pacer?? He could have been easily confused.
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> Hey Navy MoM, the car your trying to refer to is
> an "AMC" Pacer you idiot. Now start getting the
> facts to the case correct!
Hey, don't call names.
Don't know what he was driving or riding....but there is a resemblance in shapes.... Litsa?? Pacer?? He could have been easily confused.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
SRE
()
Date: October 04, 2007 11:31PM
...this is the post that does not end, it just goes on and on my friend, some people started positing it, not knowing what it was, and they will continue posting it forever just because...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Resemblance
()
Date: October 04, 2007 11:36PM
car MAX Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hey Navy MoM, the car your trying to refer to is
> an "AMC" Pacer you idiot. Now start getting the
> facts to the case correct!
Hey, don't call names.
Don't know what he was driving or riding....but there is a resemblance in shapes.... Litsa?? Pacer?? He could have been easily confused.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hey Navy MoM, the car your trying to refer to is
> an "AMC" Pacer you idiot. Now start getting the
> facts to the case correct!
Hey, don't call names.
Don't know what he was driving or riding....but there is a resemblance in shapes.... Litsa?? Pacer?? He could have been easily confused.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Reminder
()
Date: October 04, 2007 11:43PM
SRE...we have not forgotten what this post is about, be assured.
PTA Embezzlement
On Wednesday, August 22 Triantafilitsa Mattfeld, 48, of 3929 Collis Oak Court, turned herself into police. She was charged with two counts of felony embezzlement. Mattfeld served as Treasurer and President of the Navy Elementary School Parent Teacher Association from 2001 to 2006. The PTA was recently re-organized and is now known as the Parent Teacher Organization. It is alleged that during her tenure she embezzled over $180,000 from the PTA. Mattfeld was transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.
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PTA Embezzlement
On Wednesday, August 22 Triantafilitsa Mattfeld, 48, of 3929 Collis Oak Court, turned herself into police. She was charged with two counts of felony embezzlement. Mattfeld served as Treasurer and President of the Navy Elementary School Parent Teacher Association from 2001 to 2006. The PTA was recently re-organized and is now known as the Parent Teacher Organization. It is alleged that during her tenure she embezzled over $180,000 from the PTA. Mattfeld was transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Just curious
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Date: October 05, 2007 06:11AM
What type of car is Mr. Mattfeld driving? NEW Caddie with spinners? I have also observed everytime Mr. Mattfeld is brought up an ugly post appears. Mrs. Mattfeld does not like her husband to be talked about. Your husband is in on it and we all know it. Just a matter of time.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
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Date: October 05, 2007 09:09AM
That is one fat woman.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
hanging judge
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Date: October 05, 2007 10:29AM
Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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> That is one fat woman.
she's even fatter in person. he stomach hangs down to her knees....when she's standing up.
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> That is one fat woman.
she's even fatter in person. he stomach hangs down to her knees....when she's standing up.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
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Date: October 05, 2007 10:48AM
hanging judge Wrote:
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> Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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> -----
> > That is one fat woman.
>
>
> she's even fatter in person. he stomach hangs down
> to her knees....when she's standing up.
I'm sure she blames it on some medical condition or her metabolism. Funny how fat women in this country have these medical conditions yet I don't see morbidly obese women in the Ethiopian desert where there aren't boxes of Ho-Hos and Twinkees lying around.
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> Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That is one fat woman.
>
>
> she's even fatter in person. he stomach hangs down
> to her knees....when she's standing up.
I'm sure she blames it on some medical condition or her metabolism. Funny how fat women in this country have these medical conditions yet I don't see morbidly obese women in the Ethiopian desert where there aren't boxes of Ho-Hos and Twinkees lying around.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
FUNNY
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Date: October 05, 2007 01:54PM
Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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> hanging judge Wrote:
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> > Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
> >
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> > -----
> > > That is one fat woman.
> >
> >
> > she's even fatter in person. he stomach hangs
> down
> > to her knees....when she's standing up.
>
>
> I'm sure she blames it on some medical condition
> or her metabolism. Funny how fat women in this
> country have these medical conditions yet I don't
> see morbidly obese women in the Ethiopian desert
> where there aren't boxes of Ho-Hos and Twinkees
> lying around.
Y'all are halarious, "hangs down to her knees" I almost choked when I read that.
whew
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> hanging judge Wrote:
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> > Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > That is one fat woman.
> >
> >
> > she's even fatter in person. he stomach hangs
> down
> > to her knees....when she's standing up.
>
>
> I'm sure she blames it on some medical condition
> or her metabolism. Funny how fat women in this
> country have these medical conditions yet I don't
> see morbidly obese women in the Ethiopian desert
> where there aren't boxes of Ho-Hos and Twinkees
> lying around.
Y'all are halarious, "hangs down to her knees" I almost choked when I read that.
whew
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jimmy
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Date: October 05, 2007 04:18PM
Is the alleged thief a member of the Greek Orthodox Church?
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The TRUTH!!!
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Date: October 05, 2007 06:26PM
Hmmmmm..not that is a thought. Maybe all the money went to the church...hahahahahahahah
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
One Fat Lady
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Date: October 05, 2007 09:08PM
hanging judge Wrote:
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> Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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> > That is one fat woman.
>
>
> she's even fatter in person. he stomach hangs down
> to her knees....when she's standing up.
*** DO YOU MEAN LIKE THIS !!! ***
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> Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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> > That is one fat woman.
>
>
> she's even fatter in person. he stomach hangs down
> to her knees....when she's standing up.
*** DO YOU MEAN LIKE THIS !!! ***
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Poem to Lighten the Mood :)
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Date: October 05, 2007 09:39PM
THERE WAS A FAT LADY THEY SAY
WHO EMBEZZLED FROM THE LOCAL PTA
THERE WERE SO MANY WHO TRUSTED
BUT NOW SHE IS BUSTED
PERHAPS "UNDER" THE JAIL SHE SHOULD STAY
WHO EMBEZZLED FROM THE LOCAL PTA
THERE WERE SO MANY WHO TRUSTED
BUT NOW SHE IS BUSTED
PERHAPS "UNDER" THE JAIL SHE SHOULD STAY
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
info giver
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Date: October 07, 2007 04:08PM
An inside source (relative of fatty Matty) are saying to her family, both immediate and extended that she is innocent. She is also saying that she will attempt to bring others down with her if the state pursues this to the fullest. Look out former PTOers. She coming for you, and you all know who you are.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Gravis
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Date: October 07, 2007 05:26PM
info giver Wrote:
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> An inside source (relative of fatty Matty) are
> saying to her family, both immediate and extended
> that she is innocent. She is also saying that she
> will attempt to bring others down with her if the
> state pursues this to the fullest. Look out
> former PTOers. She coming for you, and you all
> know who you are.
oh great... now they have to kill her. way to go.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> An inside source (relative of fatty Matty) are
> saying to her family, both immediate and extended
> that she is innocent. She is also saying that she
> will attempt to bring others down with her if the
> state pursues this to the fullest. Look out
> former PTOers. She coming for you, and you all
> know who you are.
oh great... now they have to kill her. way to go.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
yo
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Date: October 07, 2007 05:33PM
Who cares???
Why is thread always at the top?
Who gives a rats ass.
So someone Embezzeled $$$, like this doesn't happen every damn day.
It's no big deal, but you morons continue to thrive on this.
Let it go, the bitch eff'ed up, got caught, wait for the outcome.
Sheesh, Idiots are you.
Why is thread always at the top?
Who gives a rats ass.
So someone Embezzeled $$$, like this doesn't happen every damn day.
It's no big deal, but you morons continue to thrive on this.
Let it go, the bitch eff'ed up, got caught, wait for the outcome.
Sheesh, Idiots are you.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Yo Mamma
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Date: October 08, 2007 12:35AM
Be assured that there are A LOT of people who care. I'm sure YOU would care if someone had embezzled $180,000 from YOU. We Can NOT, Will NOT, and WON'T EVER give it up. There are a lot of concerned parents, teachers and citizens who read this thread and some very good information has been shared. You are the moron for even suggesting that this criminal get away with this crime. If you don't give a rat's ass, then don't read the thread. It is that simple. Your comments put it right back on the top of the list...you must be the idiot.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
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Date: October 08, 2007 10:52AM
yo-
You sound a lot like Litsa. Is that you Litsa?
Yes, let's make sure this goes away. We don't want anybody prying into a potential crime.
You sound a lot like Litsa. Is that you Litsa?
Yes, let's make sure this goes away. We don't want anybody prying into a potential crime.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The TRUTH!!!
()
Date: October 08, 2007 05:33PM
Or Douglas, Doug? Sounds like Litsa, but could be Doug. Her partner! side kick...accomplice.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
bdimag
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Date: October 08, 2007 05:38PM
jesus christ.. 10 pages
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
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Date: October 08, 2007 10:11PM
bdimag Wrote:
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> jesus christ.. 10 pages
I say let's go for 11.
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> jesus christ.. 10 pages
I say let's go for 11.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TheMeeper
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Date: October 08, 2007 10:22PM
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Job Beams
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Date: October 09, 2007 04:57AM
Could someone, please, review the 10 pp. and make a summary of the information, showing first the FACTS and then the ASSUMPTIONS? This good deed would be most helpful to all concerned and would support talking points. Including an Index and a reference Matrix would be good, also. Any proceeds from this initiative would be given to the Navy Elementary PTO.
Go for 11!
The Corpulent Greek
Lady Chronicles
A community's expose of
unbridled avarice
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Go for 11!
The Corpulent Greek
Lady Chronicles
A community's expose of
unbridled avarice
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
SRE
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Date: October 09, 2007 09:34AM
...this is the thread that will not end.... it just goes on and on my friend..... some people started posting to it, not knowing what it was..... and they will continue posting to it forever just because...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
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Date: October 09, 2007 10:23AM
I understand Disney optioned the movie rights for this story. It is going to be entitled:
My Big Fat Greek Embezzler
My Big Fat Greek Embezzler
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Job Beams
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Date: October 09, 2007 11:06AM
...and I am earnestly striving to be credible ...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
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Date: October 09, 2007 11:33AM
Job Beams Wrote:
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> ...and I am earnestly striving to be credible ...
By asking the slackers on this board to review the 10 pages and summarize them for you? Why don't YOU do it, Mr. Credible.
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> ...and I am earnestly striving to be credible ...
By asking the slackers on this board to review the 10 pages and summarize them for you? Why don't YOU do it, Mr. Credible.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Job Beams
()
Date: October 09, 2007 12:33PM
That's an operative idea, Fairfax MF---er, but Uncle Sam would not want me to spend that much time on community service.
I Want You
Fairfax MF---er
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I Want You
Fairfax MF---er
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: October 09, 2007 01:09PM
Job Beams Wrote:
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> That's an operative idea, Fairfax MF---er, but
> Uncle Sam would not want me to spend that much
> time on community service.
>
> I Want You
> Fairfax MF---er
If you can't do it then it is not an operative idea.
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> That's an operative idea, Fairfax MF---er, but
> Uncle Sam would not want me to spend that much
> time on community service.
>
> I Want You
> Fairfax MF---er
If you can't do it then it is not an operative idea.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: October 09, 2007 01:51PM
> My Big Fat Greek Embezzler
This has Photoshop written all over it...
This has Photoshop written all over it...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 10, 2007 10:23AM
Job Beams Wrote:
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> Could someone, please, review the 10 pp. and make
> a summary of the information, showing first the
> FACTS and then the ASSUMPTIONS? Including an Index and a reference Matrix would be good, also. Any proceeds from this initiative would be given to the Navy Elementary PTO.
What?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/10/2007 10:24AM by Lurker..
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> Could someone, please, review the 10 pp. and make
> a summary of the information, showing first the
> FACTS and then the ASSUMPTIONS? Including an Index and a reference Matrix would be good, also. Any proceeds from this initiative would be given to the Navy Elementary PTO.
What?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/10/2007 10:24AM by Lurker..
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: October 10, 2007 07:06PM
Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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> I understand Disney optioned the movie rights for
> this story. It is going to be entitled:
>
> My Big Fat Greek Embezzler
I always wondered what happened to the fat chick from that movie. Now we know.
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> I understand Disney optioned the movie rights for
> this story. It is going to be entitled:
>
> My Big Fat Greek Embezzler
I always wondered what happened to the fat chick from that movie. Now we know.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: October 11, 2007 08:05AM
Litsa Halloween costume:
1 Red Wig
2 Pillows for calf's
1 Pillow for stomach
2 Pieces of posterboard
One large red magic marker
Put wig on head, tie pillows to calf's and stomach. Take the two pieces of poster board and tape them together. Lay them flat and draw a Navy Vale PTA check worth $180,000, make it out to Litsa and sign it either Litsa or Navy Vale kids.
1 Red Wig
2 Pillows for calf's
1 Pillow for stomach
2 Pieces of posterboard
One large red magic marker
Put wig on head, tie pillows to calf's and stomach. Take the two pieces of poster board and tape them together. Lay them flat and draw a Navy Vale PTA check worth $180,000, make it out to Litsa and sign it either Litsa or Navy Vale kids.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Interesting Development
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Date: October 11, 2007 04:36PM
An acquaintance told me that Doug is/was having an affair with another member of the Navy PTA/PTO board. The person I talked to said she knew who the "other woman" was but refused to divulge. Apparently, this "other woman" had her suspicions about Littsa, but did not divulge for fear of her affair being exposed. Anyone hear anything like this?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Just When...
()
Date: October 11, 2007 06:17PM
Interesting Development Wrote:
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> An acquaintance told me that Doug is/was having an
> affair with another member of the Navy PTA/PTO
> board. The person I talked to said she knew who
> the "other woman" was but refused to divulge.
> Apparently, this "other woman" had her suspicions
> about Littsa, but did not divulge for fear of her
> affair being exposed. Anyone hear anything like
> this?
Just when you thought it was safe, the stupids come back with more riduculous gossip
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> An acquaintance told me that Doug is/was having an
> affair with another member of the Navy PTA/PTO
> board. The person I talked to said she knew who
> the "other woman" was but refused to divulge.
> Apparently, this "other woman" had her suspicions
> about Littsa, but did not divulge for fear of her
> affair being exposed. Anyone hear anything like
> this?
Just when you thought it was safe, the stupids come back with more riduculous gossip
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
hmm
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Date: October 11, 2007 06:38PM
Hard to believe a woman can walk off with over 100k and no one notices. I bet if some bitch in the PTA had been screwing someone elses husband the whole world would know. I mean it is not like you could miss her being such a huge load.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
What??????
()
Date: October 11, 2007 08:57PM
> > An acquaintance told me that Doug is/was having
> an
> > affair with another member of the Navy PTA/PTO
> > board. The person I talked to said she knew
> who
> > the "other woman" was but refused to divulge.
> > Apparently, this "other woman" had her
> suspicions
> > about Littsa, but did not divulge for fear of
> her
> > affair being exposed. Anyone hear anything
> like
> > this?
>
>
> Just when you thought it was safe, the stupids
> come back with more riduculous gossip
First of all. Have you seen Douglas? Michael Moore look a like with account personality. hahahaha Not a chance. But anything is possible, I guess there is a match for everyone. I like to hear more on this subject. Always a good read.
> an
> > affair with another member of the Navy PTA/PTO
> > board. The person I talked to said she knew
> who
> > the "other woman" was but refused to divulge.
> > Apparently, this "other woman" had her
> suspicions
> > about Littsa, but did not divulge for fear of
> her
> > affair being exposed. Anyone hear anything
> like
> > this?
>
>
> Just when you thought it was safe, the stupids
> come back with more riduculous gossip
First of all. Have you seen Douglas? Michael Moore look a like with account personality. hahahaha Not a chance. But anything is possible, I guess there is a match for everyone. I like to hear more on this subject. Always a good read.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: October 12, 2007 01:48AM
let's play it safe. execute all members of the PTA.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 13, 2007 04:20PM
What?????? Wrote:
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> > > An acquaintance told me that Doug is/was
> having
> > an
> > > affair with another member of the Navy
> PTA/PTO
> > > board. The person I talked to said she knew
> > who
> > > the "other woman" was but refused to divulge.
>
> > > Apparently, this "other woman" had her
> > suspicions
> > > about Littsa, but did not divulge for fear of
> > her
> > > affair being exposed. Anyone hear anything
> > like
> > > this?
> >
> >
> > Just when you thought it was safe, the stupids
> > come back with more riduculous gossip
>
> First of all. Have you seen Douglas? Michael
> Moore look a like with account personality.
> hahahaha Not a chance. But anything is possible,
> I guess there is a match for everyone. I like to
> hear more on this subject. Always a good read.
Do you think he was eating the proceeds too? LOL
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> > > An acquaintance told me that Doug is/was
> having
> > an
> > > affair with another member of the Navy
> PTA/PTO
> > > board. The person I talked to said she knew
> > who
> > > the "other woman" was but refused to divulge.
>
> > > Apparently, this "other woman" had her
> > suspicions
> > > about Littsa, but did not divulge for fear of
> > her
> > > affair being exposed. Anyone hear anything
> > like
> > > this?
> >
> >
> > Just when you thought it was safe, the stupids
> > come back with more riduculous gossip
>
> First of all. Have you seen Douglas? Michael
> Moore look a like with account personality.
> hahahaha Not a chance. But anything is possible,
> I guess there is a match for everyone. I like to
> hear more on this subject. Always a good read.
Do you think he was eating the proceeds too? LOL
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: October 15, 2007 09:30AM
Can I assume that Litsa is no longer serving in a finance way at all the other organizations?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The TRUTH!!!!
()
Date: October 15, 2007 10:18AM
Jester Wrote:
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> Can I assume that Litsa is no longer serving in a
> finance way at all the other organizations?
Nope. Considering she was involved with Navy, CYA, and Chantilly High School Boosters things must be pretty slow. Maybe she got a job? Ready to pay back Navy?
16 more days, October 30, stop by the court house if you want to see the show, come early bag search into the court house is going to take a while.
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> Can I assume that Litsa is no longer serving in a
> finance way at all the other organizations?
Nope. Considering she was involved with Navy, CYA, and Chantilly High School Boosters things must be pretty slow. Maybe she got a job? Ready to pay back Navy?
16 more days, October 30, stop by the court house if you want to see the show, come early bag search into the court house is going to take a while.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Courthouse Location
()
Date: October 15, 2007 12:41PM
Can anyone give the courthouse address and room number.
I know the date is October 30 at 2pm.
Thanks,
I know the date is October 30 at 2pm.
Thanks,
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
M&M
()
Date: October 15, 2007 04:45PM
Breaking News:
Called the Commonwealth Attorney's office to confirm date and time for court date. Was told "Date has been postponed by defendant request. New court date January 7, 2008".
Called the Commonwealth Attorney's office to confirm date and time for court date. Was told "Date has been postponed by defendant request. New court date January 7, 2008".
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
What?????
()
Date: October 15, 2007 05:20PM
M&M Wrote:
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> Breaking News:
>
> Called the Commonwealth Attorney's office to
> confirm date and time for court date. Was told
> "Date has been postponed by defendant request.
> New court date January 7, 2008".
its a preliminary hearing, not the trial, yah dope, which Attorney did you call?
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> Breaking News:
>
> Called the Commonwealth Attorney's office to
> confirm date and time for court date. Was told
> "Date has been postponed by defendant request.
> New court date January 7, 2008".
its a preliminary hearing, not the trial, yah dope, which Attorney did you call?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Bob James
()
Date: October 15, 2007 05:23PM
I wonder what rationale applied?
Would the postponement make any different after the elections?
Would the postponement make any different after the elections?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Mom
()
Date: October 15, 2007 05:26PM
Nice try Litsa! Still see you in court.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
truth seeker
()
Date: October 15, 2007 05:54PM
Anybody know the names of Litsa's co-PTA'ers from Navy? lets get some names out here so they can have some say in this theivery. Buehler, Buehler, anyone...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Bob James
()
Date: October 15, 2007 06:11PM
Who is Litsa's lawyer? Perhaps his/her website provides more information.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
info finder
()
Date: October 15, 2007 06:15PM
I just had someone knock at my door and wanted me to sign a petition to F*&% Litsa Mattfeld on this. The person with the petition said it doesn't look good :( Litsa will probably not only walk but will walk with over 180K in her FAT pockets.
Litsa how is that new Lexus you are driving around in? Maybe you can take my kids to school in it some day, they have never been in a lexus before, nor did they have a tea party at tyson's. Oh well, off to my second job, the kids need new school supplies and I am hoping to make enough so they can get a sweat shirt with the Navy Dolphin on it this year. I have been promising them I would save enough for one of those.
Litsa how is that new Lexus you are driving around in? Maybe you can take my kids to school in it some day, they have never been in a lexus before, nor did they have a tea party at tyson's. Oh well, off to my second job, the kids need new school supplies and I am hoping to make enough so they can get a sweat shirt with the Navy Dolphin on it this year. I have been promising them I would save enough for one of those.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
concerned watchdog
()
Date: October 15, 2007 06:47PM
Bob James Wrote:
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> I wonder what rationale applied?
> Would the postponement make any different after
> the elections?
Holidays with her family?
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> I wonder what rationale applied?
> Would the postponement make any different after
> the elections?
Holidays with her family?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 15, 2007 08:46PM
M&M Wrote:
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> Breaking News:
>
> Called the Commonwealth Attorney's office to
> confirm date and time for court date. Was told
> "Date has been postponed by defendant request.
> New court date January 7, 2008".
How do we know this isn't Litsa posting?
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> Breaking News:
>
> Called the Commonwealth Attorney's office to
> confirm date and time for court date. Was told
> "Date has been postponed by defendant request.
> New court date January 7, 2008".
How do we know this isn't Litsa posting?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: October 16, 2007 06:07AM
It's true, she got a delay on her preliminary hearing.
http://208.210.219.132/vadistrict/controller?action=CaseNumberSearch&startInput=&endInput=&input=[home]I[tab][tab][tab][enter]
http://208.210.219.132/vadistrict/controller?action=CaseNumberSearch&startInput=&endInput=&input=[home]I[tab][tab][tab][enter]
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: October 16, 2007 06:10AM
sorry, link didn't work
try this...
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Case Information
()
Date: October 16, 2007 06:50AM
Virginia Courts Case Information
Case Details
Case Number:GC07180986-00 File Date:08/23/07
Complainant:CUMMINGS, E E Locality:COMMONWEALTH OF VA
Defendant: MATTFELD, TRIANTAFILITSA MARY
Defendant Status: Released on Recognizance
Defense Attorney: CANTRELL, MICHAEL H
City/State Address: FAIRFAX VA 22033
Sex: Female Race: White Caucasian (Non-Hispanic)
DOB: 12/17/1960
AKA1: AKA2:
Charge: EMBEZZLEMENT: >=$200
Code Section:18.2-111 Case Type: Felony Class: Other
Amended Charge:
Amended Code:
Amended Case Type:
Offense Date: 07/01/05 Arrest Date: 08/22/07
Hearings
Number Date Time Result Type Courtroom Plea Min Continuance Code
02 09/14/07 0925AM Continued Attorney Review 113 Other
03 10/30/07 0200PM Continued Preliminary 618 Defendant
04 01/07/08 0200PM Preliminary 000
Final Disposition:
Sentence: Sentence Suspension Time: Operator License Suspension Time:
Fine: $.00 Cost: $.00
Fine/Costs Due: Fine/Costs Paid: Fine/Costs Paid Date:
Probation Type: Probation Time: Probation Starts:
Case Details
Case Number:GC07180986-00 File Date:08/23/07
Complainant:CUMMINGS, E E Locality:COMMONWEALTH OF VA
Defendant: MATTFELD, TRIANTAFILITSA MARY
Defendant Status: Released on Recognizance
Defense Attorney: CANTRELL, MICHAEL H
City/State Address: FAIRFAX VA 22033
Sex: Female Race: White Caucasian (Non-Hispanic)
DOB: 12/17/1960
AKA1: AKA2:
Charge: EMBEZZLEMENT: >=$200
Code Section:18.2-111 Case Type: Felony Class: Other
Amended Charge:
Amended Code:
Amended Case Type:
Offense Date: 07/01/05 Arrest Date: 08/22/07
Hearings
Number Date Time Result Type Courtroom Plea Min Continuance Code
02 09/14/07 0925AM Continued Attorney Review 113 Other
03 10/30/07 0200PM Continued Preliminary 618 Defendant
04 01/07/08 0200PM Preliminary 000
Final Disposition:
Sentence: Sentence Suspension Time: Operator License Suspension Time:
Fine: $.00 Cost: $.00
Fine/Costs Due: Fine/Costs Paid: Fine/Costs Paid Date:
Probation Type: Probation Time: Probation Starts:
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Probably Needs more time to Plea
()
Date: October 16, 2007 07:28AM
Watch out....Litsa's attorney is probably trying to get more time to work out at Plea arrangement.
Hearings
Number Date Time Result Type Courtroom Plea Min Continuance Code
02 09/14/07 0925AM Continued Attorney Review 113 Other
03 10/30/07 0200PM Continued Preliminary 618 Defendant
04 01/07/08 0200PM Preliminary 000
Hearings
Number Date Time Result Type Courtroom Plea Min Continuance Code
02 09/14/07 0925AM Continued Attorney Review 113 Other
03 10/30/07 0200PM Continued Preliminary 618 Defendant
04 01/07/08 0200PM Preliminary 000
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Classic!
()
Date: October 16, 2007 08:03AM
Litsa, thanks for update. Update this website even before the court system had time to update their website. You will continue the preliminary and trial through the school year. AND yet people question how Navy lost $180K to this women. Well sit back and watch her work the magic. Delays, excuses, denial, ignore, avoid. She is the MASTER!
Between traffic court and civil courts, she has been involved with the system 9 times. Mrs. Mattfeld will work it. You must be a proud parent Mrs. Mattfeld.
Between traffic court and civil courts, she has been involved with the system 9 times. Mrs. Mattfeld will work it. You must be a proud parent Mrs. Mattfeld.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Court Case Web Site Info
()
Date: October 16, 2007 08:50AM
To get Court Case Information:
http://208.210.219.132/vadistrict/select.jsp
select the County: FAIRFAX
select the type of case - (ie: criminal / civil / traffic) CRIMINAL
select case status - (ie: active / inactive / service) ACTIVE
search by name: MATTFELD
(DO NOT use back key.) This will throw you out of the application.
(DO USE the Back to Main Menu box to go back)
http://208.210.219.132/vadistrict/select.jsp
select the County: FAIRFAX
select the type of case - (ie: criminal / civil / traffic) CRIMINAL
select case status - (ie: active / inactive / service) ACTIVE
search by name: MATTFELD
(DO NOT use back key.) This will throw you out of the application.
(DO USE the Back to Main Menu box to go back)
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: October 16, 2007 08:57AM
according to the court website her attorney is MICHAEL H CANTRELL
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 16, 2007 09:31AM
Most people get their cases continued because they want the case to drop off the public's radar.
I hope in the this case it actually works against Litsa by allowing the Navy people to gather more evidence and FCPD to interview more witnesses.
I hope in the this case it actually works against Litsa by allowing the Navy people to gather more evidence and FCPD to interview more witnesses.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Parent
()
Date: October 16, 2007 09:37AM
former navy mom Wrote:
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> according to the court website her attorney is
> MICHAEL H CANTRELL
He lives in Pender. Anyone know him?
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> according to the court website her attorney is
> MICHAEL H CANTRELL
He lives in Pender. Anyone know him?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
DipShites
()
Date: October 16, 2007 12:37PM
Yes, continue to call the defendant's attorney. I am sure he won't keep a log of all the "concerned parents" that have called him. And, I am certain he would never use that log to get the trial further delayed or the venue moved. Further, I am sure he would violate the professional rules of conduct and divulge all information about his client. If you are all this stupid, it is easy to see how $180K was lifted right under your noses. I, for one, hoped this would be over by the 30th so that this message board would end. No such luck - bring on the parade of Navy Morons.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
bdimag
()
Date: October 16, 2007 12:42PM
11 pages GOD DAMN
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
CaseFacts
()
Date: October 16, 2007 12:51PM
the most interesting fact about her case is that she never had to post any bail. She was released on her own recognizance. How's that make you feel Navy Parents?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
124C41
()
Date: October 16, 2007 12:54PM
See http://www.manta.com/comsite5/bin/pddnb_company.pl?pdlanding=1&referid=4490&id=6w3b9
Apparently a democrat--you can check his $250 donation...lives in Penderbrook in Providence District...
Open source addresses and telephone numbers, so I don't think he'd mind this posting and chance for more business:
Michael H Cantrell, Esq (Cantrell, Michael H)
10615 Judicial Dr Ste 302, Fairfax, VA 22030-7501
Phone: (703) 691-2470
Also Does Business As: Cantrell, Michael H
SIC: Legal Services
Line of Business: Legal Services Office
3902 Clares Ct
Fairfax, VA 22033-4640
(703) 385-5574
Apparently a democrat--you can check his $250 donation...lives in Penderbrook in Providence District...
Open source addresses and telephone numbers, so I don't think he'd mind this posting and chance for more business:
Michael H Cantrell, Esq (Cantrell, Michael H)
10615 Judicial Dr Ste 302, Fairfax, VA 22030-7501
Phone: (703) 691-2470
Also Does Business As: Cantrell, Michael H
SIC: Legal Services
Line of Business: Legal Services Office
3902 Clares Ct
Fairfax, VA 22033-4640
(703) 385-5574
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Really Now!
()
Date: October 16, 2007 01:00PM
What do you expect him to tell you? Seriously, are you all this stupid? For you to even think that he would tell you anything about his client is insane! He would lose his law license. Can I have your doctor's name so I can call him/her and get all your personal info?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: October 16, 2007 01:33PM
It helps to know who the lawyer is so you can see what type of tactics he has used in past cases.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Realist
()
Date: October 16, 2007 01:36PM
No Bail = No Jail time. If the courts and the prosecutors didn't make her post bail, I doubt she will have to serve time. I am thinking a suspended sentence, probation, community service, and some form of restitution. Sad, but true.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Wonder if?
()
Date: October 16, 2007 02:16PM
124C41 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> See
> http://www.manta.com/comsite5/bin/pddnb_company.pl
> ?pdlanding=1&referid=4490&id=6w3b9
>
> Apparently a democrat--you can check his $250
> donation...lives in Penderbrook in Providence
> District...
>
> Open source addresses and telephone numbers, so I
> don't think he'd mind this posting and chance for
> more business:
>
> Michael H Cantrell, Esq (Cantrell, Michael H)
> 10615 Judicial Dr Ste 302, Fairfax, VA 22030-7501
> Phone: (703) 691-2470
> Also Does Business As: Cantrell, Michael H
> SIC: Legal Services
> Line of Business: Legal Services Office
>
> 3902 Clares Ct
> Fairfax, VA 22033-4640
> (703) 385-5574
Does anyone know if this guy has a connection to Navy? Former Parent? Current parent? Chantilly High school connection? CYA? Then again, with all her court appearances she might have a entire staff of lawyers. Navy paid the retainers/fees.
He seems right of the Navy neighborhood.
-------------------------------------------------------
> See
> http://www.manta.com/comsite5/bin/pddnb_company.pl
> ?pdlanding=1&referid=4490&id=6w3b9
>
> Apparently a democrat--you can check his $250
> donation...lives in Penderbrook in Providence
> District...
>
> Open source addresses and telephone numbers, so I
> don't think he'd mind this posting and chance for
> more business:
>
> Michael H Cantrell, Esq (Cantrell, Michael H)
> 10615 Judicial Dr Ste 302, Fairfax, VA 22030-7501
> Phone: (703) 691-2470
> Also Does Business As: Cantrell, Michael H
> SIC: Legal Services
> Line of Business: Legal Services Office
>
> 3902 Clares Ct
> Fairfax, VA 22033-4640
> (703) 385-5574
Does anyone know if this guy has a connection to Navy? Former Parent? Current parent? Chantilly High school connection? CYA? Then again, with all her court appearances she might have a entire staff of lawyers. Navy paid the retainers/fees.
He seems right of the Navy neighborhood.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: October 16, 2007 03:06PM
It's typical with these kinds of cases. Judges and prosecutors want to keep the courts clear for rapists, drug dealers, gang bangers, etc. They don't want to spend time on white collar crime like this that takes a ton of time and isn't guaranteed to result in a conviction. They will probably cut some sort of deal for a deferred felony. If she stays out of trouble for two years, there will be no record of this at all.
You think this is bad. You should see how many child molesters are walking on the streets after six months because of this stupid system.
You think this is bad. You should see how many child molesters are walking on the streets after six months because of this stupid system.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: October 16, 2007 04:38PM
A first offense maybe, but this appears to be pattern and at least, a second offense. I don't think on the original charge they knew she had a history.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: October 16, 2007 06:15PM
Jester Wrote:
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> A first offense maybe, but this appears to be
> pattern and at least, a second offense. I don't
> think on the original charge they knew she had a
> history.
Was she ever convicted before? If not, she doesn't have a record. The court has to treat her like it is the first time.
-------------------------------------------------------
> A first offense maybe, but this appears to be
> pattern and at least, a second offense. I don't
> think on the original charge they knew she had a
> history.
Was she ever convicted before? If not, she doesn't have a record. The court has to treat her like it is the first time.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The TRUTH!!!!
()
Date: October 16, 2007 07:10PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jester Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A first offense maybe, but this appears to be
> > pattern and at least, a second offense. I
> don't
> > think on the original charge they knew she had
> a
> > history.
>
>
> Was she ever convicted before? If not, she doesn't
> have a record. The court has to treat her like it
> is the first time.
The first time she was not brought up on charges. But the association confirmed she did embezzle $60K plus (or what they could find document). The association turned it over their insurance company and insurance made an attempt to collect. Not sure if they ever received a dime. But thats the story. NEVER brought up on formal charges. Pity they didn't. I guess they did not want their membership to be aware of their mistake.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jester Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A first offense maybe, but this appears to be
> > pattern and at least, a second offense. I
> don't
> > think on the original charge they knew she had
> a
> > history.
>
>
> Was she ever convicted before? If not, she doesn't
> have a record. The court has to treat her like it
> is the first time.
The first time she was not brought up on charges. But the association confirmed she did embezzle $60K plus (or what they could find document). The association turned it over their insurance company and insurance made an attempt to collect. Not sure if they ever received a dime. But thats the story. NEVER brought up on formal charges. Pity they didn't. I guess they did not want their membership to be aware of their mistake.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
the plot thickens
()
Date: October 16, 2007 07:41PM
If there was an insurance payout, I would think thats evidence. It has to be explained somehow. I would think she would have had to sign something saying she did it but that charges wouldnt be filed. Kind of a quid pro quo or something?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To the real Dipshit
()
Date: October 16, 2007 10:33PM
DipShites Wrote:
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> Yes, continue to call the defendant's attorney. I
> am sure he won't keep a log of all the "concerned
> parents" that have called him. And, I am certain
> he would never use that log to get the trial
> further delayed or the venue moved. Further, I am
> sure he would violate the professional rules of
> conduct and divulge all information about his
> client. If you are all this stupid, it is easy to
> see how $180K was lifted right under your noses.
> I, for one, hoped this would be over by the 30th
> so that this message board would end. No such
> luck - bring on the parade of Navy Morons.
You're an asshole....where in this thread of messages does it say that the attorney has been called, contacted, OR would ever be contacted? You are the moron.....DipShit. You and Litsa deserve each other...... In fact, you probably are Litsa.
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> Yes, continue to call the defendant's attorney. I
> am sure he won't keep a log of all the "concerned
> parents" that have called him. And, I am certain
> he would never use that log to get the trial
> further delayed or the venue moved. Further, I am
> sure he would violate the professional rules of
> conduct and divulge all information about his
> client. If you are all this stupid, it is easy to
> see how $180K was lifted right under your noses.
> I, for one, hoped this would be over by the 30th
> so that this message board would end. No such
> luck - bring on the parade of Navy Morons.
You're an asshole....where in this thread of messages does it say that the attorney has been called, contacted, OR would ever be contacted? You are the moron.....DipShit. You and Litsa deserve each other...... In fact, you probably are Litsa.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Blutto
()
Date: October 16, 2007 10:47PM
Why does this generate so many responses? It is simple case. A thieving fat hog skimmed money for her own use from a PTA. The stupid parents in the group were so busy watching to see who drives the biggest SUV or who has the biggest McMansion that they didnt see fatty waddling off with the $$$.
Lesson learned, keep your eyes on the cash. Some companies in the business world are reluctant to report embezzlement because it lets their customers know how careless they are and customers dont want to give their money to a company like that.
Lesson learned, keep your eyes on the cash. Some companies in the business world are reluctant to report embezzlement because it lets their customers know how careless they are and customers dont want to give their money to a company like that.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
What Goes Around Comes Around
()
Date: October 16, 2007 10:51PM
Jester Wrote:
A first offense maybe, but this appears to be pattern and at least, a second offense. I don't think on the original charge they knew she had a history.
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
Was she ever convicted before? If not, she doesn't have a record. The court has to treat her like it is the first time.
The TRUTH!!!! Wrote:
> The first time she was not brought up on charges.
> But the association confirmed she did embezzle
> $60K plus (or what they could find document). The
> association turned it over their insurance company
> and insurance made an attempt to collect. Not
> sure if they ever received a dime. But thats the
> story. NEVER brought up on formal charges. Pity
> they didn't. I guess they did not want their
> membership to be aware of their mistake.
BE ASSURED, THE IRS HAS BEEN NOTIFIED OF BOTH SITUATIONS. I'M SURE THERE IS A PAPER TRAIL THAT CAN BE TRACKED WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANY AND WITH CHASE BANK!!!! THEY CAN INVESTIGATE, TOO.
A first offense maybe, but this appears to be pattern and at least, a second offense. I don't think on the original charge they knew she had a history.
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
Was she ever convicted before? If not, she doesn't have a record. The court has to treat her like it is the first time.
The TRUTH!!!! Wrote:
> The first time she was not brought up on charges.
> But the association confirmed she did embezzle
> $60K plus (or what they could find document). The
> association turned it over their insurance company
> and insurance made an attempt to collect. Not
> sure if they ever received a dime. But thats the
> story. NEVER brought up on formal charges. Pity
> they didn't. I guess they did not want their
> membership to be aware of their mistake.
BE ASSURED, THE IRS HAS BEEN NOTIFIED OF BOTH SITUATIONS. I'M SURE THERE IS A PAPER TRAIL THAT CAN BE TRACKED WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANY AND WITH CHASE BANK!!!! THEY CAN INVESTIGATE, TOO.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
DipShites
()
Date: October 16, 2007 10:52PM
To the real Dipshit,
Tell me then, genius, what would be the purpose of posting his address and phone numbers, both home and work? There is only one Michael Cantrell practicing law in VA. His name would have been enough, assuming that is even relevant. Again, it is very easy to see how this dumbass ripped off even dumber dumbasses.
Tell me then, genius, what would be the purpose of posting his address and phone numbers, both home and work? There is only one Michael Cantrell practicing law in VA. His name would have been enough, assuming that is even relevant. Again, it is very easy to see how this dumbass ripped off even dumber dumbasses.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Well.....
()
Date: October 16, 2007 10:56PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
Was she ever convicted before? If not, she doesn't have a record. The court has to treat her like it is the first time.
-----
Not necessarily so, the prosecution MAY be able to introduce evidence of her prior bad acts......
In the law of evidence, similar fact evidence (or the similar fact principle) establishes the conditions under which factual evidence of past misconduct of accused can be admitted at trial for the purpose of inferring that the accused committed the misconduct at issue.
The rule is established in R. v. Handy, 164 CCC (3d) 481, 2 SCR 908 (2002):
Evidence of prior bad acts by the accused will be admissible if the prosecution satisfies the judge on a balance of probabilities that, in the context of the particular case, the probative value of the evidence in relation to a specific issue outweighs its potential prejudice and thereby justifies its reception.
Questions arise as to how the Court will measure the elements of this rule:
i) What constitutes a prior bad act? - Any past misdeed, does not have to proven as a conviction
ii) Why does the Court speak of evidence in relation to a ‘specific issue’? - Good measure of probity, what other issue beyond disposition or propensity evidence.
iii) How is probative value determined? - Nature of similarity btw details, distinctive features and circumstances of past act and current offence - Proximity in time between past act and current offence - Number of occurrences of the similar acts - Any intervening event - Any other factor tending to support or rebut the unity of past act and conduct in question (i.e. appearance of collusion)
iii) How is probative value determined? - Nature of similarity btw details, distinctive features and circumstances of past act and current offence - Proximity in time between past act and current offence - Number of occurrences of the similar acts - Any intervening event - Any other factor tending to support or rebut the unity of past act and conduct in question (i.e. appearance of collusion)
Was she ever convicted before? If not, she doesn't have a record. The court has to treat her like it is the first time.
-----
Not necessarily so, the prosecution MAY be able to introduce evidence of her prior bad acts......
In the law of evidence, similar fact evidence (or the similar fact principle) establishes the conditions under which factual evidence of past misconduct of accused can be admitted at trial for the purpose of inferring that the accused committed the misconduct at issue.
The rule is established in R. v. Handy, 164 CCC (3d) 481, 2 SCR 908 (2002):
Evidence of prior bad acts by the accused will be admissible if the prosecution satisfies the judge on a balance of probabilities that, in the context of the particular case, the probative value of the evidence in relation to a specific issue outweighs its potential prejudice and thereby justifies its reception.
Questions arise as to how the Court will measure the elements of this rule:
i) What constitutes a prior bad act? - Any past misdeed, does not have to proven as a conviction
ii) Why does the Court speak of evidence in relation to a ‘specific issue’? - Good measure of probity, what other issue beyond disposition or propensity evidence.
iii) How is probative value determined? - Nature of similarity btw details, distinctive features and circumstances of past act and current offence - Proximity in time between past act and current offence - Number of occurrences of the similar acts - Any intervening event - Any other factor tending to support or rebut the unity of past act and conduct in question (i.e. appearance of collusion)
iii) How is probative value determined? - Nature of similarity btw details, distinctive features and circumstances of past act and current offence - Proximity in time between past act and current offence - Number of occurrences of the similar acts - Any intervening event - Any other factor tending to support or rebut the unity of past act and conduct in question (i.e. appearance of collusion)
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To the Moron
()
Date: October 16, 2007 11:02PM
Jester Wrote:
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> It helps to know who the lawyer is so you can see
> what type of tactics he has used in past cases.
Litsa....
Can you read the comment above? You certainly can't spell. You can't even get the plural of dipshit correct. I'm amazed that it took this long to catch your fat ass "this time."
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> It helps to know who the lawyer is so you can see
> what type of tactics he has used in past cases.
Litsa....
Can you read the comment above? You certainly can't spell. You can't even get the plural of dipshit correct. I'm amazed that it took this long to catch your fat ass "this time."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Blutto
()
Date: October 16, 2007 11:12PM
Support the Navy PTA during our fall cookie drive.
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Silence
()
Date: October 16, 2007 11:13PM
Well..... Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
>
> Was she ever convicted before? If not, she doesn't
> have a record. The court has to treat her like it
> is the first time.
> -----
>
> Not necessarily so, the prosecution MAY be able to
> introduce evidence of her prior bad acts......
>
>
> In the law of evidence, similar fact evidence (or
> the similar fact principle) establishes the
> conditions under which factual evidence of past
> misconduct of accused can be admitted at trial for
> the purpose of inferring that the accused
> committed the misconduct at issue.
>
> The rule is established in R. v. Handy, 164 CCC
> (3d) 481, 2 SCR 908 (2002):
>
> Evidence of prior bad acts by the accused will be
> admissible if the prosecution satisfies the judge
> on a balance of probabilities that, in the context
> of the particular case, the probative value of the
> evidence in relation to a specific issue outweighs
> its potential prejudice and thereby justifies its
> reception.
>
> Questions arise as to how the Court will measure
> the elements of this rule:
>
> i) What constitutes a prior bad act? - Any past
> misdeed, does not have to proven as a conviction
>
> ii) Why does the Court speak of evidence in
> relation to a ‘specific issue’? - Good measure of
> probity, what other issue beyond disposition or
> propensity evidence.
>
> iii) How is probative value determined? - Nature
> of similarity btw details, distinctive features
> and circumstances of past act and current offence
> - Proximity in time between past act and current
> offence - Number of occurrences of the similar
> acts - Any intervening event - Any other factor
> tending to support or rebut the unity of past act
> and conduct in question (i.e. appearance of
> collusion)
BOY.....THE DIPSHIT, MORON GOT QUIET AFTER THIS POST !!
THANKS TO YOU, WELL.
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
>
> Was she ever convicted before? If not, she doesn't
> have a record. The court has to treat her like it
> is the first time.
> -----
>
> Not necessarily so, the prosecution MAY be able to
> introduce evidence of her prior bad acts......
>
>
> In the law of evidence, similar fact evidence (or
> the similar fact principle) establishes the
> conditions under which factual evidence of past
> misconduct of accused can be admitted at trial for
> the purpose of inferring that the accused
> committed the misconduct at issue.
>
> The rule is established in R. v. Handy, 164 CCC
> (3d) 481, 2 SCR 908 (2002):
>
> Evidence of prior bad acts by the accused will be
> admissible if the prosecution satisfies the judge
> on a balance of probabilities that, in the context
> of the particular case, the probative value of the
> evidence in relation to a specific issue outweighs
> its potential prejudice and thereby justifies its
> reception.
>
> Questions arise as to how the Court will measure
> the elements of this rule:
>
> i) What constitutes a prior bad act? - Any past
> misdeed, does not have to proven as a conviction
>
> ii) Why does the Court speak of evidence in
> relation to a ‘specific issue’? - Good measure of
> probity, what other issue beyond disposition or
> propensity evidence.
>
> iii) How is probative value determined? - Nature
> of similarity btw details, distinctive features
> and circumstances of past act and current offence
> - Proximity in time between past act and current
> offence - Number of occurrences of the similar
> acts - Any intervening event - Any other factor
> tending to support or rebut the unity of past act
> and conduct in question (i.e. appearance of
> collusion)
BOY.....THE DIPSHIT, MORON GOT QUIET AFTER THIS POST !!
THANKS TO YOU, WELL.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Dipshites
()
Date: October 16, 2007 11:45PM
To the Moron,
Shite is a variant on the word shit, look it up. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shite
Again, what does posting his work and home addresses and telephone numbers accomplish? Simple answer - nothing. Why? Because there is only ONE Michael Cantrell practicing law in VA. Secondly, if you had half a brain, which I am seriously beginning to doubt, this particular attorney has one case on record with the VA Supreme Court. Look it up, it is not hard.
Again, I stand by my assertion that a dumbass ripped off even dumber dumbasses.
PS - I am also "Well...." You are welcome for that bit of information. Please, if you want sound legal knowledge, see an attorney. Stop, for the love of God, playing Perry Mason!
Shite is a variant on the word shit, look it up. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shite
Again, what does posting his work and home addresses and telephone numbers accomplish? Simple answer - nothing. Why? Because there is only ONE Michael Cantrell practicing law in VA. Secondly, if you had half a brain, which I am seriously beginning to doubt, this particular attorney has one case on record with the VA Supreme Court. Look it up, it is not hard.
Again, I stand by my assertion that a dumbass ripped off even dumber dumbasses.
PS - I am also "Well...." You are welcome for that bit of information. Please, if you want sound legal knowledge, see an attorney. Stop, for the love of God, playing Perry Mason!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Teacher
()
Date: October 17, 2007 12:00AM
DipShites Wrote:
>Again, I stand by my assertion that a dumbass ripped off even dumber dumbasses.
REALLY ???? I'll be sure NOT to tell the children, teachers and many families who were impacted by this criminal how you really feel about them. How dare you!
>Again, I stand by my assertion that a dumbass ripped off even dumber dumbasses.
REALLY ???? I'll be sure NOT to tell the children, teachers and many families who were impacted by this criminal how you really feel about them. How dare you!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
DipShites
()
Date: October 17, 2007 12:32AM
Teacher,
How dare I? How dare you people make a mockery of the criminal justice system. Is the crime that you are victims of more important than the thousands of other crimes that prosecutors have to deal with every day? Crimes like rape, murder, assault, physical crimes against children, and other crimes of violence. Crimes where real victims will suffer the consequences and emotional baggage for a lifetime. This theft may burn you now, but you will not have severe psychological problems down the road; if you do, you are overly fragile and I apologize.
How many prosecutors are in Fairfax? How many crimes need to be prosecuted? You do the math. This government, any government, has limited resources. Are you aware, that some federal crimes go completely unprosecuted in certain areas because it doesn't meet a certain economic threshold? The Navy PTO theft is not the crime of the century. You keep bringing up all this crap that you amateur sleuths come up with. Hell, some people on this thread allege affairs and even more ludicrous scenarios. I can only imagine this poor prosecutor having to field telephone calls, emails, and the like on a daily basis. I am sure he/she is polite and empathetic. He/she is a public servant and knows that.
As a teacher, do you like it when parents tell you how to do your job, do you like people watching over your shoulder judging every move you make? Hell, most teachers bitch and moan about no child left behind.
Let the professionals do their job. And at the end of the day thank them for giving your case as much attention as they did.
How dare I? How dare you people make a mockery of the criminal justice system. Is the crime that you are victims of more important than the thousands of other crimes that prosecutors have to deal with every day? Crimes like rape, murder, assault, physical crimes against children, and other crimes of violence. Crimes where real victims will suffer the consequences and emotional baggage for a lifetime. This theft may burn you now, but you will not have severe psychological problems down the road; if you do, you are overly fragile and I apologize.
How many prosecutors are in Fairfax? How many crimes need to be prosecuted? You do the math. This government, any government, has limited resources. Are you aware, that some federal crimes go completely unprosecuted in certain areas because it doesn't meet a certain economic threshold? The Navy PTO theft is not the crime of the century. You keep bringing up all this crap that you amateur sleuths come up with. Hell, some people on this thread allege affairs and even more ludicrous scenarios. I can only imagine this poor prosecutor having to field telephone calls, emails, and the like on a daily basis. I am sure he/she is polite and empathetic. He/she is a public servant and knows that.
As a teacher, do you like it when parents tell you how to do your job, do you like people watching over your shoulder judging every move you make? Hell, most teachers bitch and moan about no child left behind.
Let the professionals do their job. And at the end of the day thank them for giving your case as much attention as they did.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Teacher
()
Date: October 17, 2007 02:07AM
DipShites Wrote:
> >Again, I stand by my assertion that a dumbass ripped off even dumber dumbasses.
REALLY ???? I'll be sure NOT to tell the children, teachers and many families who were impacted by this criminal how you really feel about them. How dare you!
Not everyone on this forum deserves your mean spirited comments, Dipshites.
For you to comment that the children, teachers and families who were ripped off are dumbasses gives some insight into the type of person you must be. They are the innocent victims of this crime. There are many on this forum who are trying to help by gathering any information that will assist the investigators in this case. Many are also asking good questions and offering excellent advice. If you weed through some of the more 'spirited' posts, there has been some helpful information gleaned. For instance, details of this person’s previous embezzlement history were posted HERE first!
Although some of the posts may not be the most appropriate, this is a public forum and you get the good and the bad.
It is a mockery when criminals are not prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law the FIRST TIME and are allowed to continue to commit the same crimes over and over without penalty. The probability that this person may get off with a slap on the wrist would be a crime in and of itself, especially since this may be her second embezzlement. What message does this send our children?
Not one person on this forum suggested that the PTA embezzlement is the crime of the century or is any more important than any other crime. YOU made that assumption. This crime is a FELONY and this forum thread is about the PTA embezzlement, not the other crimes you listed. Please feel free to start another thread to address those issues!
Like the other crimes you mentioned, people who steal from children should be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible by law, not slapped on the wrist and allowed to plea bargain. That is where most of the concern exists on this forum. If we stop slapping people on the wrist and hold them accountable, there would certainly be less people to prosecute and perhaps your job would be a bit easier. You sound stressed due to all of your limited resources.
> >Again, I stand by my assertion that a dumbass ripped off even dumber dumbasses.
REALLY ???? I'll be sure NOT to tell the children, teachers and many families who were impacted by this criminal how you really feel about them. How dare you!
Not everyone on this forum deserves your mean spirited comments, Dipshites.
For you to comment that the children, teachers and families who were ripped off are dumbasses gives some insight into the type of person you must be. They are the innocent victims of this crime. There are many on this forum who are trying to help by gathering any information that will assist the investigators in this case. Many are also asking good questions and offering excellent advice. If you weed through some of the more 'spirited' posts, there has been some helpful information gleaned. For instance, details of this person’s previous embezzlement history were posted HERE first!
Although some of the posts may not be the most appropriate, this is a public forum and you get the good and the bad.
It is a mockery when criminals are not prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law the FIRST TIME and are allowed to continue to commit the same crimes over and over without penalty. The probability that this person may get off with a slap on the wrist would be a crime in and of itself, especially since this may be her second embezzlement. What message does this send our children?
Not one person on this forum suggested that the PTA embezzlement is the crime of the century or is any more important than any other crime. YOU made that assumption. This crime is a FELONY and this forum thread is about the PTA embezzlement, not the other crimes you listed. Please feel free to start another thread to address those issues!
Like the other crimes you mentioned, people who steal from children should be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible by law, not slapped on the wrist and allowed to plea bargain. That is where most of the concern exists on this forum. If we stop slapping people on the wrist and hold them accountable, there would certainly be less people to prosecute and perhaps your job would be a bit easier. You sound stressed due to all of your limited resources.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy
()
Date: October 17, 2007 07:03AM
Call us what you want, dumb ass, suv driving, mcmansion living, dip shit, dumb, stupid, ignorant, BUT we will kick ass, take numbers and do what ever it takes. Legal advice bring it on.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
124C41
()
Date: October 17, 2007 07:58AM
How Do You Report Suspected Tax Fraud Activity?
The Form 3949-A is a short report of suspected fraud. If a person has unlawful income, the do have to pay taxes.
http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement/article/0,,id=106778,00.html
And don't forget to notify the Virginia tax authorities.
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The Form 3949-A is a short report of suspected fraud. If a person has unlawful income, the do have to pay taxes.
http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement/article/0,,id=106778,00.html
And don't forget to notify the Virginia tax authorities.
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: October 17, 2007 08:49AM
DipShites Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Teacher,
>
> How dare I? How dare you people make a mockery of
> the criminal justice system. Is the crime that
> you are victims of more important than the
> thousands of other crimes that prosecutors have to
> deal with every day? Crimes like rape, murder,
> assault, physical crimes against children, and
> other crimes of violence. Crimes where real
> victims will suffer the consequences and emotional
> baggage for a lifetime. This theft may burn you
> now, but you will not have severe psychological
> problems down the road; if you do, you are overly
> fragile and I apologize.
>
> How many prosecutors are in Fairfax? How many
> crimes need to be prosecuted? You do the math.
> This government, any government, has limited
> resources. Are you aware, that some federal
> crimes go completely unprosecuted in certain areas
> because it doesn't meet a certain economic
> threshold? The Navy PTO theft is not the crime of
> the century. You keep bringing up all this crap
> that you amateur sleuths come up with. Hell, some
> people on this thread allege affairs and even more
> ludicrous scenarios. I can only imagine this poor
> prosecutor having to field telephone calls,
> emails, and the like on a daily basis. I am sure
> he/she is polite and empathetic. He/she is a
> public servant and knows that.
>
> As a teacher, do you like it when parents tell you
> how to do your job, do you like people watching
> over your shoulder judging every move you make?
> Hell, most teachers bitch and moan about no child
> left behind.
>
> Let the professionals do their job. And at the
> end of the day thank them for giving your case as
> much attention as they did.
this 'woman" did not steal a candy bar, she stole more than 180,000 from her neighbors, her childrens teachers, friends and their school.
you obviously have no clue as to how our justice system works, but fortunatly many people here do.
when the court knows that the public is involved and vested in a case, they are less likely to accept a plea to a lesser charge.
the people of the Navy community want this felon to serve jail time and many of us are willing to do whatever we can, however small, to see that she does.
Now if you don't like that and think we're all dipshits, the real question is why do you care what a bunch of "dipshits" are doing?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Teacher,
>
> How dare I? How dare you people make a mockery of
> the criminal justice system. Is the crime that
> you are victims of more important than the
> thousands of other crimes that prosecutors have to
> deal with every day? Crimes like rape, murder,
> assault, physical crimes against children, and
> other crimes of violence. Crimes where real
> victims will suffer the consequences and emotional
> baggage for a lifetime. This theft may burn you
> now, but you will not have severe psychological
> problems down the road; if you do, you are overly
> fragile and I apologize.
>
> How many prosecutors are in Fairfax? How many
> crimes need to be prosecuted? You do the math.
> This government, any government, has limited
> resources. Are you aware, that some federal
> crimes go completely unprosecuted in certain areas
> because it doesn't meet a certain economic
> threshold? The Navy PTO theft is not the crime of
> the century. You keep bringing up all this crap
> that you amateur sleuths come up with. Hell, some
> people on this thread allege affairs and even more
> ludicrous scenarios. I can only imagine this poor
> prosecutor having to field telephone calls,
> emails, and the like on a daily basis. I am sure
> he/she is polite and empathetic. He/she is a
> public servant and knows that.
>
> As a teacher, do you like it when parents tell you
> how to do your job, do you like people watching
> over your shoulder judging every move you make?
> Hell, most teachers bitch and moan about no child
> left behind.
>
> Let the professionals do their job. And at the
> end of the day thank them for giving your case as
> much attention as they did.
this 'woman" did not steal a candy bar, she stole more than 180,000 from her neighbors, her childrens teachers, friends and their school.
you obviously have no clue as to how our justice system works, but fortunatly many people here do.
when the court knows that the public is involved and vested in a case, they are less likely to accept a plea to a lesser charge.
the people of the Navy community want this felon to serve jail time and many of us are willing to do whatever we can, however small, to see that she does.
Now if you don't like that and think we're all dipshits, the real question is why do you care what a bunch of "dipshits" are doing?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
SRE
()
Date: October 17, 2007 09:31AM
...this is (still) the thread that will not end.... it just goes on and on my friend..... some people started posting to it, not knowing what it was..... and they will continue posting to it forever just because...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: October 17, 2007 09:49AM
DipShites,
Are you really that stupid? Your analogy says "Well if people are dumb enough to allow themselves to get ripped off then it's their fault" WHAT????????
You mean if somebody leaves their car in their driveway and it gets stolen it's their fault? Because their the dumbass that parked it in public view? You need some serious mental help.
Stealing $180,000 isn't a serious crime? Really? When did this rule get put in place?
As for Micheal Cantrell having a case in the Supreme Court, So what? Any country bunkin lawyer can have a case in the Supreme Court.
Are you really that stupid? Your analogy says "Well if people are dumb enough to allow themselves to get ripped off then it's their fault" WHAT????????
You mean if somebody leaves their car in their driveway and it gets stolen it's their fault? Because their the dumbass that parked it in public view? You need some serious mental help.
Stealing $180,000 isn't a serious crime? Really? When did this rule get put in place?
As for Micheal Cantrell having a case in the Supreme Court, So what? Any country bunkin lawyer can have a case in the Supreme Court.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Bob James
()
Date: October 17, 2007 10:10AM
Does anyone know if a lawyer accepts stolen funds to defend a fraud case, does he/she break the law?
If it is proven that a lawyer accepted purloined monies, and he either knew that fact or suspected it, is the lawyer guilty of a crime or an ethics violation?
If it is proven that a lawyer accepted purloined monies, and he either knew that fact or suspected it, is the lawyer guilty of a crime or an ethics violation?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Blutto
()
Date: October 17, 2007 10:15AM
I agree with Dipshites. The parents bear much of the blame. No one bothered to watch over the woman and the books. We are not talking about a car or a physical piece of property that you can touch. It is money on paper.
If the parents were too busy to oversee the books then shame on them. Since it was such a large amount, and a large woman, the PTA should have hired an auditor to take a look at the books every so often. Since there was over 180,000 in the pot I think it merits some attention.
I am sure since it is an affluent school the PTA will muscle Fairfax County into somehow replacing the lost funds through public money. I assume since it was a PTA there was a board of directors. If so why didnt the president look over the books and ask for documentation about the assest. A simple bank statement every week would have stopped this at the beginning.
If the parents are so self absorbed they dont have the time, then hire someone to do the job for you.
If the parents were too busy to oversee the books then shame on them. Since it was such a large amount, and a large woman, the PTA should have hired an auditor to take a look at the books every so often. Since there was over 180,000 in the pot I think it merits some attention.
I am sure since it is an affluent school the PTA will muscle Fairfax County into somehow replacing the lost funds through public money. I assume since it was a PTA there was a board of directors. If so why didnt the president look over the books and ask for documentation about the assest. A simple bank statement every week would have stopped this at the beginning.
If the parents are so self absorbed they dont have the time, then hire someone to do the job for you.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
DipShites
()
Date: October 17, 2007 10:18AM
this 'woman" did not steal a candy bar, she stole more than 180,000 from her neighbors, her childrens teachers, friends and their school.
Jester Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> DipShites,
>
> Are you really that stupid? Your analogy says
> "Well if people are dumb enough to allow
> themselves to get ripped off then it's their
> fault" WHAT????????
>
> You mean if somebody leaves their car in their
> driveway and it gets stolen it's their fault?
> Because their the dumbass that parked it in public
> view? You need some serious mental help.
>
> Stealing $180,000 isn't a serious crime? Really?
> When did this rule get put in place?
>
> As for Micheal Cantrell having a case in the
> Supreme Court, So what? Any country bunkin lawyer
> can have a case in the Supreme Court.
Jester,
I never made an analogy. Please learn how to read and learn what an analogy is. I said, "it is easy to see how $180K was lifted right under your noses," and "Again, it is very easy to see how this dumbass ripped off even dumber dumbasses," and "Again, I stand by my assertion that a dumbass ripped off even dumber dumbasses." These are clearly observations based upon numerous posts on this thread - not analogies. Simply because she stole from less intelligent people does not make it any less of a crime.
I never said it wasn't a serious crime. Again, please get some help in reading comprehension. I stated that it "is not the crime of the century." Clearly it isn't. If you disagree, you are insane.
My comments concerning Mr. Cantrell were in response to people posting his home and work contact information. You said, "It helps to know who the lawyer is so you can see what type of tactics he has used in past cases." The best way to accomplish what you said is to look at his reported cases. THat is what I did. However, this could have been accomplished without posting his contact information. And yes, anyone licensed in the state with the proper certification can practice before the VA Supreme Court.
Jester Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> DipShites,
>
> Are you really that stupid? Your analogy says
> "Well if people are dumb enough to allow
> themselves to get ripped off then it's their
> fault" WHAT????????
>
> You mean if somebody leaves their car in their
> driveway and it gets stolen it's their fault?
> Because their the dumbass that parked it in public
> view? You need some serious mental help.
>
> Stealing $180,000 isn't a serious crime? Really?
> When did this rule get put in place?
>
> As for Micheal Cantrell having a case in the
> Supreme Court, So what? Any country bunkin lawyer
> can have a case in the Supreme Court.
Jester,
I never made an analogy. Please learn how to read and learn what an analogy is. I said, "it is easy to see how $180K was lifted right under your noses," and "Again, it is very easy to see how this dumbass ripped off even dumber dumbasses," and "Again, I stand by my assertion that a dumbass ripped off even dumber dumbasses." These are clearly observations based upon numerous posts on this thread - not analogies. Simply because she stole from less intelligent people does not make it any less of a crime.
I never said it wasn't a serious crime. Again, please get some help in reading comprehension. I stated that it "is not the crime of the century." Clearly it isn't. If you disagree, you are insane.
My comments concerning Mr. Cantrell were in response to people posting his home and work contact information. You said, "It helps to know who the lawyer is so you can see what type of tactics he has used in past cases." The best way to accomplish what you said is to look at his reported cases. THat is what I did. However, this could have been accomplished without posting his contact information. And yes, anyone licensed in the state with the proper certification can practice before the VA Supreme Court.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
DipShites
()
Date: October 17, 2007 10:23AM
Jester,
Just to clarify my analogy point. I am not saying less intelligent people DESERVE to be victims of crime, I am saying that they are easy prey - as was clearly the situation here. If the navy community is not less intelligent, they were simply lazy in allowing this crime to happen.
Just to clarify my analogy point. I am not saying less intelligent people DESERVE to be victims of crime, I am saying that they are easy prey - as was clearly the situation here. If the navy community is not less intelligent, they were simply lazy in allowing this crime to happen.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
124C41
()
Date: October 17, 2007 10:30AM
DipShites opined:
My comments concerning Mr. Cantrell were in response to people posting his home and work contact information. You said, "It helps to know who the lawyer is so you can see what type of tactics he has used in past cases." The best way to accomplish what you said is to look at his reported cases. THat is what I did. However, this could have been accomplished without posting his contact information. And yes, anyone licensed in the state with the proper certification can practice before the VA Supreme Court.
Regret faux pas. This information is not proprietary. It is readily available online.
Is DipShites your noms de plume, Mr. Cantrell, Esq.?
My comments concerning Mr. Cantrell were in response to people posting his home and work contact information. You said, "It helps to know who the lawyer is so you can see what type of tactics he has used in past cases." The best way to accomplish what you said is to look at his reported cases. THat is what I did. However, this could have been accomplished without posting his contact information. And yes, anyone licensed in the state with the proper certification can practice before the VA Supreme Court.
Regret faux pas. This information is not proprietary. It is readily available online.
Is DipShites your noms de plume, Mr. Cantrell, Esq.?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
DipShites
()
Date: October 17, 2007 10:45AM
former navy mom Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> this 'woman" did not steal a candy bar, she stole
> more than 180,000 from her neighbors, her
> childrens teachers, friends and their school.
>
>
> you obviously have no clue as to how our justice
> system works, but fortunatly many people here do.
>
> when the court knows that the public is involved
> and vested in a case, they are less likely to
> accept a plea to a lesser charge.
>
>
> the people of the Navy community want this felon
> to serve jail time and many of us are willing to
> do whatever we can, however small, to see that she
> does.
>
>
> Now if you don't like that and think we're all
> dipshits, the real question is why do you care
> what a bunch of "dipshits" are doing?
Let me be clear, I never diminished the severity of her crime. I simply stated that it wasn't the crime of the century, and it isn't (no matter how many pages of crap you post on this website).
With all due respect, it really is you that needs an education in the way our criminal justice system works. I know you are hoping for jail time, and she may indeed get some, but the liklihood of a long sentence is remote. There are those that commit crimes of violence and serve very little, if any, jail time. The fact remains that our prisons are overcrowding and holding a non-violent felon is not at the top of the list. Sad but true. I am not saying she does not deserve a light sentence, but it is likely she will get one. Would you rather have a rspist set free so that Mrs. Mattfeld can serve some hard time? We do not put the money into incarceration that we put into education, transportation, and law enforcement. You are likely looking at a combination of home confinement, community service, restitution, and maybe a light jail sentence. I hope I am wrong, but in my experience, this is the rule, rather than the exception. Economics and prison space dictate when a plea will be reached as much as community involvement. If you are a prosecutor looking at a child abuser and an embezzler, I guarentee the prosecutor makes room in the jail for the abuser. And, until more prison space is built, I want it that way. You need to temper your expectations.
Why do I care what a bunch of dipshits are doing? Should I not care how criminal justice is carried out in the County I live? Should I want my assistant commonwealth's attorneys being bogged down with one case and constant contact with every "victim" in this case when I know that there are more than a dozen more cases on his/her desk? Crimes where people actually lost something.
Let me ask all of you this: If this crime had never been caught, how would your life be harmed? Would you have noticed? I doubt it. Contrast that with people who actually feel the loss. Losses like loss of the car you drive to work every day, loss of the feeling of personal security, loss of a sum of money that impacts you directly. Please put your loss into perspective. Mrs. Mattfeld's crime went on for five years. You never noticed. You lived your lives in ognorant bliss. Most crime victims can't say that.
-------------------------------------------------------
> this 'woman" did not steal a candy bar, she stole
> more than 180,000 from her neighbors, her
> childrens teachers, friends and their school.
>
>
> you obviously have no clue as to how our justice
> system works, but fortunatly many people here do.
>
> when the court knows that the public is involved
> and vested in a case, they are less likely to
> accept a plea to a lesser charge.
>
>
> the people of the Navy community want this felon
> to serve jail time and many of us are willing to
> do whatever we can, however small, to see that she
> does.
>
>
> Now if you don't like that and think we're all
> dipshits, the real question is why do you care
> what a bunch of "dipshits" are doing?
Let me be clear, I never diminished the severity of her crime. I simply stated that it wasn't the crime of the century, and it isn't (no matter how many pages of crap you post on this website).
With all due respect, it really is you that needs an education in the way our criminal justice system works. I know you are hoping for jail time, and she may indeed get some, but the liklihood of a long sentence is remote. There are those that commit crimes of violence and serve very little, if any, jail time. The fact remains that our prisons are overcrowding and holding a non-violent felon is not at the top of the list. Sad but true. I am not saying she does not deserve a light sentence, but it is likely she will get one. Would you rather have a rspist set free so that Mrs. Mattfeld can serve some hard time? We do not put the money into incarceration that we put into education, transportation, and law enforcement. You are likely looking at a combination of home confinement, community service, restitution, and maybe a light jail sentence. I hope I am wrong, but in my experience, this is the rule, rather than the exception. Economics and prison space dictate when a plea will be reached as much as community involvement. If you are a prosecutor looking at a child abuser and an embezzler, I guarentee the prosecutor makes room in the jail for the abuser. And, until more prison space is built, I want it that way. You need to temper your expectations.
Why do I care what a bunch of dipshits are doing? Should I not care how criminal justice is carried out in the County I live? Should I want my assistant commonwealth's attorneys being bogged down with one case and constant contact with every "victim" in this case when I know that there are more than a dozen more cases on his/her desk? Crimes where people actually lost something.
Let me ask all of you this: If this crime had never been caught, how would your life be harmed? Would you have noticed? I doubt it. Contrast that with people who actually feel the loss. Losses like loss of the car you drive to work every day, loss of the feeling of personal security, loss of a sum of money that impacts you directly. Please put your loss into perspective. Mrs. Mattfeld's crime went on for five years. You never noticed. You lived your lives in ognorant bliss. Most crime victims can't say that.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: October 17, 2007 10:47AM
Dipshites\crappy\potty\bowel movements or whatever third grade bathroom term turns you on,
Litsa stole $180,000 from kids and the education for those kids, Yes, I call that the crime of the century. Yes, I call it stealing. Yes, she should be procecuted for stealing.
I was drawing an analogy from your statement. I apologize if you thought I meant you had stolen a car. Although, with your mind set I wouldn't put it past you. You would probably blame the owner or person who the sold the car as the reason the car was stolen. Of course it would never be the fault of the actual person stealing the car.
Jeese! I hope Litsa has a better defense then this or she maybe doing years in the pig pen, opps I mean big pen.
Litsa stole $180,000 from kids and the education for those kids, Yes, I call that the crime of the century. Yes, I call it stealing. Yes, she should be procecuted for stealing.
I was drawing an analogy from your statement. I apologize if you thought I meant you had stolen a car. Although, with your mind set I wouldn't put it past you. You would probably blame the owner or person who the sold the car as the reason the car was stolen. Of course it would never be the fault of the actual person stealing the car.
Jeese! I hope Litsa has a better defense then this or she maybe doing years in the pig pen, opps I mean big pen.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
DipShites
()
Date: October 17, 2007 10:51AM
124C41 Wrote:
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> DipShites opined:
>
> My comments concerning Mr. Cantrell were in
> response to people posting his home and work
> contact information. You said, "It helps to know
> who the lawyer is so you can see what type of
> tactics he has used in past cases." The best way
> to accomplish what you said is to look at his
> reported cases. THat is what I did. However, this
> could have been accomplished without posting his
> contact information. And yes, anyone licensed in
> the state with the proper certification can
> practice before the VA Supreme Court.
>
> Regret faux pas. This information is not
> proprietary. It is readily available online.
>
> Is DipShites your noms de plume, Mr. Cantrell,
> Esq.?
Who said it was propietary? I want to know what the value of putting it on this thread is? All of this type of information, innuendo, rumor, and name calling screams for a change of venue motion from the defense. You have given Mr. Cantrell 11 pages of reasons to make this motion. This will only delay the trial further. I assume that is NOT what you want.
I am not Mr. Cantrell, nor have I ever met him.
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> DipShites opined:
>
> My comments concerning Mr. Cantrell were in
> response to people posting his home and work
> contact information. You said, "It helps to know
> who the lawyer is so you can see what type of
> tactics he has used in past cases." The best way
> to accomplish what you said is to look at his
> reported cases. THat is what I did. However, this
> could have been accomplished without posting his
> contact information. And yes, anyone licensed in
> the state with the proper certification can
> practice before the VA Supreme Court.
>
> Regret faux pas. This information is not
> proprietary. It is readily available online.
>
> Is DipShites your noms de plume, Mr. Cantrell,
> Esq.?
Who said it was propietary? I want to know what the value of putting it on this thread is? All of this type of information, innuendo, rumor, and name calling screams for a change of venue motion from the defense. You have given Mr. Cantrell 11 pages of reasons to make this motion. This will only delay the trial further. I assume that is NOT what you want.
I am not Mr. Cantrell, nor have I ever met him.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: October 17, 2007 10:52AM
Blutto Wrote:
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> I agree with Dipshites. The parents bear much of
> the blame. No one bothered to watch over the woman
> and the books. We are not talking about a car or a
> physical piece of property that you can touch. It
> is money on paper.
>
> If the parents were too busy to oversee the books
> then shame on them. Since it was such a large
> amount, and a large woman, the PTA should have
> hired an auditor to take a look at the books every
> so often. Since there was over 180,000 in the pot
> I think it merits some attention.
>
> I am sure since it is an affluent school the PTA
> will muscle Fairfax County into somehow replacing
> the lost funds through public money. I assume
> since it was a PTA there was a board of directors.
> If so why didnt the president look over the books
> and ask for documentation about the assest. A
> simple bank statement every week would have
> stopped this at the beginning.
>
> If the parents are so self absorbed they dont have
> the time, then hire someone to do the job for you.
I agree with you that the officers of the PTA had a responsibility to look over the books. Litsa was the president, and obviously the officers of the PTA were negligent to allow this woman to steal so much money.
I also agree with you that since the PTA was taking in so much money there should have been an audit done periodically.
maybe this will happen in the future.
However, I do find your post insulting to the members of the community.
we were given copies of the PTA budget, not access to the "books" since everyone assumed that the PTA officers were meeting their commitments and there was no reason to suspect that they weren't, why would a parent ask to see the books?
what litsa did was create two bank accounts, short change the books and steal a lot of CASH from the PTA over a period of 5 years.
she got away with it not because people were stupid or "self absorbed" but because officers of the PTA with who she served with weren't paying attention and sure weren't doing their jobs, and she is a professional thief and con artist.
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> I agree with Dipshites. The parents bear much of
> the blame. No one bothered to watch over the woman
> and the books. We are not talking about a car or a
> physical piece of property that you can touch. It
> is money on paper.
>
> If the parents were too busy to oversee the books
> then shame on them. Since it was such a large
> amount, and a large woman, the PTA should have
> hired an auditor to take a look at the books every
> so often. Since there was over 180,000 in the pot
> I think it merits some attention.
>
> I am sure since it is an affluent school the PTA
> will muscle Fairfax County into somehow replacing
> the lost funds through public money. I assume
> since it was a PTA there was a board of directors.
> If so why didnt the president look over the books
> and ask for documentation about the assest. A
> simple bank statement every week would have
> stopped this at the beginning.
>
> If the parents are so self absorbed they dont have
> the time, then hire someone to do the job for you.
I agree with you that the officers of the PTA had a responsibility to look over the books. Litsa was the president, and obviously the officers of the PTA were negligent to allow this woman to steal so much money.
I also agree with you that since the PTA was taking in so much money there should have been an audit done periodically.
maybe this will happen in the future.
However, I do find your post insulting to the members of the community.
we were given copies of the PTA budget, not access to the "books" since everyone assumed that the PTA officers were meeting their commitments and there was no reason to suspect that they weren't, why would a parent ask to see the books?
what litsa did was create two bank accounts, short change the books and steal a lot of CASH from the PTA over a period of 5 years.
she got away with it not because people were stupid or "self absorbed" but because officers of the PTA with who she served with weren't paying attention and sure weren't doing their jobs, and she is a professional thief and con artist.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WOW!!!!!
()
Date: October 17, 2007 10:55AM
You Navy-ites need to get a grip, honestly, how effective do you think a board used by bored house marms and over the top wanna be PI's is going to really be in getting a conviction in this case? I am amazed at the idiotic statements some of you make, and can you guys PLEASE stop talking about the children and how this affects them, from the news reports and newspaper coverage, they didn't suffer at all, no activities were impacted, but I know it makes for better drama to mention the kids, but please, STOP IT!!!!
Dipshites makes perfect sense, you all need to stop trying to play hindsight 20/20 detective and lawyer, and let the courts do their job. You weren't concerned when she was alledgedly taking the money, so don't get on your high horse now and try and fix it.
Dipshites makes perfect sense, you all need to stop trying to play hindsight 20/20 detective and lawyer, and let the courts do their job. You weren't concerned when she was alledgedly taking the money, so don't get on your high horse now and try and fix it.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Dipshites
()
Date: October 17, 2007 10:55AM
Jester, Fool, Buffoon, Village Idiot,
Apparently you have not read a damn thing I wrote. Or, you simply fail to comprehend the English laguage.
Apparently you have not read a damn thing I wrote. Or, you simply fail to comprehend the English laguage.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: October 17, 2007 11:00AM
the plot thickens Wrote:
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> If there was an insurance payout, I would think
> thats evidence. It has to be explained somehow.
> I would think she would have had to sign something
> saying she did it but that charges wouldnt be
> filed. Kind of a quid pro quo or something?
If there was an insurance payout it means that money was lost. It does not mean that this gal was somehow found guilty of taking it, especially if she herself managed not to pay the insurance company anything.
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> If there was an insurance payout, I would think
> thats evidence. It has to be explained somehow.
> I would think she would have had to sign something
> saying she did it but that charges wouldnt be
> filed. Kind of a quid pro quo or something?
If there was an insurance payout it means that money was lost. It does not mean that this gal was somehow found guilty of taking it, especially if she herself managed not to pay the insurance company anything.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
DipShites
()
Date: October 17, 2007 11:10AM
Teacher Wrote:
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> DipShites Wrote:
> > >Again, I stand by my assertion that a dumbass
> ripped off even dumber dumbasses.
>
>
> REALLY ???? I'll be sure NOT to tell the
> children, teachers and many families who were
> impacted by this criminal how you really feel
> about them. How dare you!
>
>
> Not everyone on this forum deserves your mean
> spirited comments, Dipshites.
>
> For you to comment that the children, teachers and
> families who were ripped off are dumbasses gives
> some insight into the type of person you must be.
> They are the innocent victims of this crime.
Who besides Mrs. Mattfeld had responsibility over the books? If they had a responsibility and failed to do their jobs properly, they are either lazy or complicit. The only way other PTO board members are innocent is if they are not to bright.
> There are many on this forum who are trying to
> help by gathering any information that will assist
> the investigators in this case. Many are also
> asking good questions and offering excellent
> advice. If you weed through some of the more
> 'spirited' posts, there has been some helpful
> information gleaned. For instance, details of
> this person’s previous embezzlement history were
> posted HERE first!
You are not professional investigators and prosecutors. Previous embezzlement was known by both the FCPD and commonwealth attorney's office BEFORE her arrest on the current charges. You simply prejudiced any potential jurors by leaking evidence in the case.
> Although some of the posts may not be the most
> appropriate, this is a public forum and you get
> the good and the bad.
There is far more bad than good.
> It is a mockery when criminals are not prosecuted
> to the fullest extent of the law the FIRST TIME
> and are allowed to continue to commit the same
> crimes over and over without penalty. The
> probability that this person may get off with a
> slap on the wrist would be a crime in and of
> itself, especially since this may be her second
> embezzlement. What message does this send our
> children?
It sends the message that we need to build more jail space. That costs money. Prison population goes up every year in Fairfax County and statewide. Student population decreases each year in Fairfax County. Yet, we are being forced to swallow a $300+ million dollar school bond this year. Seem sane to you? Also, what message does it send when the other officers of the PTO board allowed her to steal this money without ever examinig the books? Don't we want to teach our children all forms of responsibility, not just criminal?
> Not one person on this forum suggested that the
> PTA embezzlement is the crime of the century or is
> any more important than any other crime. YOU made
> that assumption. This crime is a FELONY and this
> forum thread is about the PTA embezzlement, not
> the other crimes you listed. Please feel free to
> start another thread to address those issues!
Well, actually, Jester DID call it the crime of the century. Albeit after your post, but it shows you that there are people out there with that same mindset.
> Like the other crimes you mentioned, people who
> steal from children should be prosecuted to the
> fullest extent possible by law, not slapped on the
> wrist and allowed to plea bargain. That is where
> most of the concern exists on this forum. If we
> stop slapping people on the wrist and hold them
> accountable, there would certainly be less people
> to prosecute and perhaps your job would be a bit
> easier. You sound stressed due to all of your
> limited resources.
Again, build more jails.
-------------------------------------------------------
> DipShites Wrote:
> > >Again, I stand by my assertion that a dumbass
> ripped off even dumber dumbasses.
>
>
> REALLY ???? I'll be sure NOT to tell the
> children, teachers and many families who were
> impacted by this criminal how you really feel
> about them. How dare you!
>
>
> Not everyone on this forum deserves your mean
> spirited comments, Dipshites.
>
> For you to comment that the children, teachers and
> families who were ripped off are dumbasses gives
> some insight into the type of person you must be.
> They are the innocent victims of this crime.
Who besides Mrs. Mattfeld had responsibility over the books? If they had a responsibility and failed to do their jobs properly, they are either lazy or complicit. The only way other PTO board members are innocent is if they are not to bright.
> There are many on this forum who are trying to
> help by gathering any information that will assist
> the investigators in this case. Many are also
> asking good questions and offering excellent
> advice. If you weed through some of the more
> 'spirited' posts, there has been some helpful
> information gleaned. For instance, details of
> this person’s previous embezzlement history were
> posted HERE first!
You are not professional investigators and prosecutors. Previous embezzlement was known by both the FCPD and commonwealth attorney's office BEFORE her arrest on the current charges. You simply prejudiced any potential jurors by leaking evidence in the case.
> Although some of the posts may not be the most
> appropriate, this is a public forum and you get
> the good and the bad.
There is far more bad than good.
> It is a mockery when criminals are not prosecuted
> to the fullest extent of the law the FIRST TIME
> and are allowed to continue to commit the same
> crimes over and over without penalty. The
> probability that this person may get off with a
> slap on the wrist would be a crime in and of
> itself, especially since this may be her second
> embezzlement. What message does this send our
> children?
It sends the message that we need to build more jail space. That costs money. Prison population goes up every year in Fairfax County and statewide. Student population decreases each year in Fairfax County. Yet, we are being forced to swallow a $300+ million dollar school bond this year. Seem sane to you? Also, what message does it send when the other officers of the PTO board allowed her to steal this money without ever examinig the books? Don't we want to teach our children all forms of responsibility, not just criminal?
> Not one person on this forum suggested that the
> PTA embezzlement is the crime of the century or is
> any more important than any other crime. YOU made
> that assumption. This crime is a FELONY and this
> forum thread is about the PTA embezzlement, not
> the other crimes you listed. Please feel free to
> start another thread to address those issues!
Well, actually, Jester DID call it the crime of the century. Albeit after your post, but it shows you that there are people out there with that same mindset.
> Like the other crimes you mentioned, people who
> steal from children should be prosecuted to the
> fullest extent possible by law, not slapped on the
> wrist and allowed to plea bargain. That is where
> most of the concern exists on this forum. If we
> stop slapping people on the wrist and hold them
> accountable, there would certainly be less people
> to prosecute and perhaps your job would be a bit
> easier. You sound stressed due to all of your
> limited resources.
Again, build more jails.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: October 17, 2007 11:18AM
former navy mom Wrote:
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>
> when the court knows that the public is involved
> and vested in a case, they are less likely to
> accept a plea to a lesser charge.
>
>
>
While the pressure couldn't hurt, the fact is the prosecutor will make the decision to proceed based on the case. While $180K may be missing, Litsa, if she is responsible, may be very good at coming up with reasonable doubt (PTA kept bad records. If I stole this money, why am I renting a crappy townhouse, etc). It may make the most sense for the prosecutor to cut a plea deal and get something versus losing a now high profile case.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> when the court knows that the public is involved
> and vested in a case, they are less likely to
> accept a plea to a lesser charge.
>
>
>
While the pressure couldn't hurt, the fact is the prosecutor will make the decision to proceed based on the case. While $180K may be missing, Litsa, if she is responsible, may be very good at coming up with reasonable doubt (PTA kept bad records. If I stole this money, why am I renting a crappy townhouse, etc). It may make the most sense for the prosecutor to cut a plea deal and get something versus losing a now high profile case.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: October 17, 2007 11:23AM
Silence Wrote:
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> Well..... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> >
> > Was she ever convicted before? If not, she
> doesn't
> > have a record. The court has to treat her like
> it
> > is the first time.
> > -----
> >
> > Not necessarily so, the prosecution MAY be able
> to
> > introduce evidence of her prior bad acts......
> >
> >
> > In the law of evidence, similar fact evidence
> (or
> > the similar fact principle) establishes the
> > conditions under which factual evidence of past
> > misconduct of accused can be admitted at trial
> for
> > the purpose of inferring that the accused
> > committed the misconduct at issue.
> >
> > The rule is established in R. v. Handy, 164 CCC
> > (3d) 481, 2 SCR 908 (2002):
> >
> > Evidence of prior bad acts by the accused will
> be
> > admissible if the prosecution satisfies the
> judge
> > on a balance of probabilities that, in the
> context
> > of the particular case, the probative value of
> the
> > evidence in relation to a specific issue
> outweighs
> > its potential prejudice and thereby justifies
> its
> > reception.
> >
> > Questions arise as to how the Court will
> measure
> > the elements of this rule:
> >
> > i) What constitutes a prior bad act? - Any past
> > misdeed, does not have to proven as a
> conviction
> >
> > ii) Why does the Court speak of evidence in
> > relation to a ‘specific issue’? - Good measure
> of
> > probity, what other issue beyond disposition or
> > propensity evidence.
> >
> > iii) How is probative value determined? -
> Nature
> > of similarity btw details, distinctive features
> > and circumstances of past act and current
> offence
> > - Proximity in time between past act and
> current
> > offence - Number of occurrences of the similar
> > acts - Any intervening event - Any other factor
> > tending to support or rebut the unity of past
> act
> > and conduct in question (i.e. appearance of
> > collusion)
>
> BOY.....THE DIPSHIT, MORON GOT QUIET AFTER THIS
> POST !!
> THANKS TO YOU, WELL.
I'm quiet because I don't spend my life on this site.
Regarding the points made, the prosecution would have a hell of a lot easier time proceeding with this if there had been a prior conviction. The fact that 1) the other PTA never even pressed charges, 2) the insurance company failed to collect anything from this woman, and 3) the insurance company paid, all constitute ZERO evidence against this woman, even if she did it. There is no "there" there.
Is it suspicious that this has happened twice with the same woman there? Yes. However, a good defense attorney will drum up stacks of data showing that local PTAs lose this kind of money all of the time due to bad record-keeping, or some such nonsense. Enough nonsense, anyway, to prompt the prosecutor to push for a plea deal.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Well..... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> >
> > Was she ever convicted before? If not, she
> doesn't
> > have a record. The court has to treat her like
> it
> > is the first time.
> > -----
> >
> > Not necessarily so, the prosecution MAY be able
> to
> > introduce evidence of her prior bad acts......
> >
> >
> > In the law of evidence, similar fact evidence
> (or
> > the similar fact principle) establishes the
> > conditions under which factual evidence of past
> > misconduct of accused can be admitted at trial
> for
> > the purpose of inferring that the accused
> > committed the misconduct at issue.
> >
> > The rule is established in R. v. Handy, 164 CCC
> > (3d) 481, 2 SCR 908 (2002):
> >
> > Evidence of prior bad acts by the accused will
> be
> > admissible if the prosecution satisfies the
> judge
> > on a balance of probabilities that, in the
> context
> > of the particular case, the probative value of
> the
> > evidence in relation to a specific issue
> outweighs
> > its potential prejudice and thereby justifies
> its
> > reception.
> >
> > Questions arise as to how the Court will
> measure
> > the elements of this rule:
> >
> > i) What constitutes a prior bad act? - Any past
> > misdeed, does not have to proven as a
> conviction
> >
> > ii) Why does the Court speak of evidence in
> > relation to a ‘specific issue’? - Good measure
> of
> > probity, what other issue beyond disposition or
> > propensity evidence.
> >
> > iii) How is probative value determined? -
> Nature
> > of similarity btw details, distinctive features
> > and circumstances of past act and current
> offence
> > - Proximity in time between past act and
> current
> > offence - Number of occurrences of the similar
> > acts - Any intervening event - Any other factor
> > tending to support or rebut the unity of past
> act
> > and conduct in question (i.e. appearance of
> > collusion)
>
> BOY.....THE DIPSHIT, MORON GOT QUIET AFTER THIS
> POST !!
> THANKS TO YOU, WELL.
I'm quiet because I don't spend my life on this site.
Regarding the points made, the prosecution would have a hell of a lot easier time proceeding with this if there had been a prior conviction. The fact that 1) the other PTA never even pressed charges, 2) the insurance company failed to collect anything from this woman, and 3) the insurance company paid, all constitute ZERO evidence against this woman, even if she did it. There is no "there" there.
Is it suspicious that this has happened twice with the same woman there? Yes. However, a good defense attorney will drum up stacks of data showing that local PTAs lose this kind of money all of the time due to bad record-keeping, or some such nonsense. Enough nonsense, anyway, to prompt the prosecutor to push for a plea deal.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Goose
()
Date: October 17, 2007 11:30AM
"Yeeha, Jester's dead"
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Dunkin Donuts
()
Date: October 17, 2007 11:39AM
Dipshites,
You sound like some fat ass who blames McDonald's for being fat.
As for it being difficult to find a jury because of posting on this website? LMAO! There are PLENTY of people in Fairfax County who have never heard of the case.
I applaud the NAVY PTO, PTA members, and NAVY school community for coming forward and working with FCPD to prosecute Litsa.
You sound like some fat ass who blames McDonald's for being fat.
As for it being difficult to find a jury because of posting on this website? LMAO! There are PLENTY of people in Fairfax County who have never heard of the case.
I applaud the NAVY PTO, PTA members, and NAVY school community for coming forward and working with FCPD to prosecute Litsa.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
DipShites
()
Date: October 17, 2007 11:50AM
Dunkin Donuts Wrote:
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> Dipshites,
>
> You sound like some fat ass who blames McDonald's
> for being fat.
>
> As for it being difficult to find a jury because
> of posting on this website? LMAO! There are PLENTY
> of people in Fairfax County who have never heard
> of the case.
>
> I applaud the NAVY PTO, PTA members, and NAVY
> school community for coming forward and working
> with FCPD to prosecute Litsa.
Dunkin,
And what lead you to the brilliant statement that I would ever blame McDonald's for anything? If you read my posts, you'd see I a stressed individual responsibility. The kind of responsibility a PTO board member would exercise to ensure $180K wasn't lifted under their nose.
I never said it would be impossible to enpanel a jury in this county, or that it would be difficult finding impartial jurors. I simply stated that you gave the defense attorney enough reason to motion the court for a change of venue. He has 11 (now 12) pages of enough reason to at least make the argument. It is a delaying tactic and one that an attorney would be foolish to at least not consider.
Is there anyone in the Navy community that succeeds in reading comprehension?
Again, I see how easy it was to steal from you. Please don't misconstrue this as making an excuse for Mrs. Mattfeld's crime. It is simply an observation that like in the wild it is usually the slowest and the weakest that are picked off for the kill.
Applaud all you want. If there are a small group of individuals involved in this process, fine, if you are referring to this board, you are a moron.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Dipshites,
>
> You sound like some fat ass who blames McDonald's
> for being fat.
>
> As for it being difficult to find a jury because
> of posting on this website? LMAO! There are PLENTY
> of people in Fairfax County who have never heard
> of the case.
>
> I applaud the NAVY PTO, PTA members, and NAVY
> school community for coming forward and working
> with FCPD to prosecute Litsa.
Dunkin,
And what lead you to the brilliant statement that I would ever blame McDonald's for anything? If you read my posts, you'd see I a stressed individual responsibility. The kind of responsibility a PTO board member would exercise to ensure $180K wasn't lifted under their nose.
I never said it would be impossible to enpanel a jury in this county, or that it would be difficult finding impartial jurors. I simply stated that you gave the defense attorney enough reason to motion the court for a change of venue. He has 11 (now 12) pages of enough reason to at least make the argument. It is a delaying tactic and one that an attorney would be foolish to at least not consider.
Is there anyone in the Navy community that succeeds in reading comprehension?
Again, I see how easy it was to steal from you. Please don't misconstrue this as making an excuse for Mrs. Mattfeld's crime. It is simply an observation that like in the wild it is usually the slowest and the weakest that are picked off for the kill.
Applaud all you want. If there are a small group of individuals involved in this process, fine, if you are referring to this board, you are a moron.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
José Diego
()
Date: October 17, 2007 01:12PM
Please folks, stop demonizing this innocent woman.
Remember, that she is innocent until proven guilty. She can have the best lawyer $180,000 can buy.
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Remember, that she is innocent until proven guilty. She can have the best lawyer $180,000 can buy.
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: October 17, 2007 01:19PM
Dipshites,
In one sentence you call the board "11 (now 12) pages of enough reason to at least make the argument." Then you say people who post here are morons and absolute idiots who can barely read?
So which is it?
In one sentence you call the board "11 (now 12) pages of enough reason to at least make the argument." Then you say people who post here are morons and absolute idiots who can barely read?
So which is it?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
DipShites
()
Date: October 17, 2007 01:32PM
Jester,
Seriously, quit while you can. With each post you make, you truly show how unitelligent and uninformed you are. I get it, you got burned by an obese, ugly woman. Just let the professionals do their job and let the chips fall where they may. My point is that any comments on this board that are rumor, innuendo, false accusations, personal attacks, and the like simply give the defense another delaying tactic. Is that truly what you want? If you are interested in justice, if you are interested in organizing the Navy community, if you are interested in gathering facts from people, I am unequivocally stating that this board is the absolute wrong place to do this. Meet in person or via individual email threads. Coming on a public board for the world to see is moronic. If you are all as smart as you claim to be, are you telling me that this is the ONLY place that these ideas can be aired? You are inviting people to make false and misleading statements. Are you all too stupid to see that the messages on this board actually aid Mrs. Mattfeld?
I really don't even understand your logic sometimes, Jester. It is truly mindboggling. Obviously, my comments do nothing to contribute to a motion for a change of venue - YOURS DO! Can you truly not see the difference?
Seriously, quit while you can. With each post you make, you truly show how unitelligent and uninformed you are. I get it, you got burned by an obese, ugly woman. Just let the professionals do their job and let the chips fall where they may. My point is that any comments on this board that are rumor, innuendo, false accusations, personal attacks, and the like simply give the defense another delaying tactic. Is that truly what you want? If you are interested in justice, if you are interested in organizing the Navy community, if you are interested in gathering facts from people, I am unequivocally stating that this board is the absolute wrong place to do this. Meet in person or via individual email threads. Coming on a public board for the world to see is moronic. If you are all as smart as you claim to be, are you telling me that this is the ONLY place that these ideas can be aired? You are inviting people to make false and misleading statements. Are you all too stupid to see that the messages on this board actually aid Mrs. Mattfeld?
I really don't even understand your logic sometimes, Jester. It is truly mindboggling. Obviously, my comments do nothing to contribute to a motion for a change of venue - YOURS DO! Can you truly not see the difference?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
124C41
()
Date: October 17, 2007 02:04PM
Okay. New Rules. Brevity. Facts.
No More
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No More
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: October 17, 2007 03:04PM
Dipshites,
LMAO, What good attorney says, "Your honor here are some posts from an internet chat room."
Second, in which posts did I say that I was smarter than anybody?
Third, I have never dated an obese woman nor would I ever a woman who shovels food in her mouth with no self control or respect for herself.
I wonder who would want this thread to vanish?
LMAO, What good attorney says, "Your honor here are some posts from an internet chat room."
Second, in which posts did I say that I was smarter than anybody?
Third, I have never dated an obese woman nor would I ever a woman who shovels food in her mouth with no self control or respect for herself.
I wonder who would want this thread to vanish?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
DipShites
()
Date: October 17, 2007 03:18PM
Jester,
Let it never be said you are known for your graceful exits. Are you familiar with the legal system? Lawyers will use ANY and ALL tactics to assist their clients. If they didn't, they wouldn't be doing their job. It is something that any lawyer worth his salt would consider. Remember, he doesn't need to win on the motion, just simply get in the door to make the argument and cause a delay.
You are right, you never said you were smarter than anyone else, you just act like it. Your first statement to me directly was, "Are you really that stupid?" Thereby implying your superior intelligence. This isn't a stretch for me to say "if you are as smart as you claim you are," epecially considering the illogical suppositions you have put forth.
I never implied you dated an obese woman. What I meant when I said you were "burned" by Mrs. Mattfeld was that she pulled one over on you, she stole from you, she did you wrong, etc. I forgot that I need to be as basic and simple in my language as possible when addressing you.
Believe me, there are a great deal of people who want to see this nonsense end. Sure, go ahead, accuse me of being Mrs. Mattfeld, but there are many who agree with me.
What truly amazes me about these posts is the complete logical fallacies that some of you engage in. You completely ignore login and reason and simply spout off whatever you want.
Let it never be said you are known for your graceful exits. Are you familiar with the legal system? Lawyers will use ANY and ALL tactics to assist their clients. If they didn't, they wouldn't be doing their job. It is something that any lawyer worth his salt would consider. Remember, he doesn't need to win on the motion, just simply get in the door to make the argument and cause a delay.
You are right, you never said you were smarter than anyone else, you just act like it. Your first statement to me directly was, "Are you really that stupid?" Thereby implying your superior intelligence. This isn't a stretch for me to say "if you are as smart as you claim you are," epecially considering the illogical suppositions you have put forth.
I never implied you dated an obese woman. What I meant when I said you were "burned" by Mrs. Mattfeld was that she pulled one over on you, she stole from you, she did you wrong, etc. I forgot that I need to be as basic and simple in my language as possible when addressing you.
Believe me, there are a great deal of people who want to see this nonsense end. Sure, go ahead, accuse me of being Mrs. Mattfeld, but there are many who agree with me.
What truly amazes me about these posts is the complete logical fallacies that some of you engage in. You completely ignore login and reason and simply spout off whatever you want.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To DipShites
()
Date: October 17, 2007 03:40PM
I'm sure as a Litsa sympathizer you would like to see this situation end. Unfortunately, that is not going to happen anytime soon based on the case extension. We are in America, and good or bad people have the right to say whatever they want on the subject whether it makes sense to YOU or not. If you don't like it then, oh well. Feel free to move to another country or start you own Litsa support thread if it would make you feel better.
Logic and fact dictate that Litsa put herself in a position as PTA President and Treasurer to steal more than $180,000....not including undocumented cash. You can minimize it anyway you want, but this is the amount that can be documented.
Litsa may or may not be prosecuted to everyone's satisfaction, but she WILL get what is coming to her in the end, be assured.
Logic and fact dictate that Litsa put herself in a position as PTA President and Treasurer to steal more than $180,000....not including undocumented cash. You can minimize it anyway you want, but this is the amount that can be documented.
Litsa may or may not be prosecuted to everyone's satisfaction, but she WILL get what is coming to her in the end, be assured.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
for the love of god........
()
Date: October 17, 2007 08:10PM
We have two incidences of fraud and embezzlement from a corporate company and the Navy PTA. Will the people who are knowledgable about her vial display of greed when she "took care of" an ill family friend and stole thousands of dollars from her checking account as well as used the friends credit cards to sustain her lifestyle please come forward?
Litsa and Doug you are both pretty despicable. Your greed and selfishness has ripped apart a community, damaged your children as they can't even do a google search without seeing your mug shot come up while in class causing humiliation and trauma. What is wrong with the two of you that you can not have the decency to move away........far far away? Do you not understand that the vengence you have instilled in the community has to to with your stealing and fraudulant behavior, but also that you go about spewing your innocence when all the facts indicate GUILTY? Do your kids a favor, admit your guilt, graciously accept your consequences, get help for you sociopathic behavior and give your kids a new beginning.
Litsa and Doug you are both pretty despicable. Your greed and selfishness has ripped apart a community, damaged your children as they can't even do a google search without seeing your mug shot come up while in class causing humiliation and trauma. What is wrong with the two of you that you can not have the decency to move away........far far away? Do you not understand that the vengence you have instilled in the community has to to with your stealing and fraudulant behavior, but also that you go about spewing your innocence when all the facts indicate GUILTY? Do your kids a favor, admit your guilt, graciously accept your consequences, get help for you sociopathic behavior and give your kids a new beginning.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: October 17, 2007 11:17PM
José Diego Wrote:
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> Please folks, stop demonizing this innocent
> woman.
>
> Remember, that she is innocent until proven
> guilty. She can have the best lawyer $180,000 can
> buy.
LOL! oh that's rich.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> Please folks, stop demonizing this innocent
> woman.
>
> Remember, that she is innocent until proven
> guilty. She can have the best lawyer $180,000 can
> buy.
LOL! oh that's rich.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
bunch of freaks
()
Date: October 17, 2007 11:34PM
this has become a sport or some sort of entertainment for you navy people
bottom line - you got run
move on, or continue to whine
bottom line - you got run
move on, or continue to whine
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Blutto
()
Date: October 18, 2007 12:16AM
I can see where this tub of lard was able to fool the members by using two sets of books. In the business world there are often two books one for the real cost and profits of a business and the other one you show the government.
But in this case if the parents knew there was this large amount of money in the bank then an outside auditor would certainly have been in order. Even a half ass CPA would have picked this deception up right away. Since the organization was a 501 c 3 it should have been easy.
Anytime you are dealing with six figures it isn't chump change. No matter the person, I trust no one that much. I am sure from now on there are safeguards in place. My personal advice from having seen it happen over and over is to always document things where money is concerned. I don't care if it is your spouse, brother, sister whoever. $180,000 is just too much temptaion.
Since it is just too many pages to read was there ever an idea as to what she did with the money?
But in this case if the parents knew there was this large amount of money in the bank then an outside auditor would certainly have been in order. Even a half ass CPA would have picked this deception up right away. Since the organization was a 501 c 3 it should have been easy.
Anytime you are dealing with six figures it isn't chump change. No matter the person, I trust no one that much. I am sure from now on there are safeguards in place. My personal advice from having seen it happen over and over is to always document things where money is concerned. I don't care if it is your spouse, brother, sister whoever. $180,000 is just too much temptaion.
Since it is just too many pages to read was there ever an idea as to what she did with the money?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
hanging judge
()
Date: October 18, 2007 06:44AM
DipShites Wrote:
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>
> Let it never be said you are known for your
> graceful exits. Are you familiar with the legal
> system? Lawyers will use ANY and ALL tactics to
> assist their clients. If they didn't, they
> wouldn't be doing their job. It is something that
> any lawyer worth his salt would consider.
> Remember, he doesn't need to win on the motion,
> just simply get in the door to make the argument
> and cause a delay.
you seem to have real life and tv's law and order show confused.
you should get a grip on reality.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Let it never be said you are known for your
> graceful exits. Are you familiar with the legal
> system? Lawyers will use ANY and ALL tactics to
> assist their clients. If they didn't, they
> wouldn't be doing their job. It is something that
> any lawyer worth his salt would consider.
> Remember, he doesn't need to win on the motion,
> just simply get in the door to make the argument
> and cause a delay.
you seem to have real life and tv's law and order show confused.
you should get a grip on reality.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 18, 2007 09:06AM
The oldest\no brain-er con in the volunteer donation business is to take the donations and deposit them in a secret account that only the con knows about. The account is never recorded on any books and people giving the donations just assume their donation is going to a correct account.
How many times have you checked to see that a donation went into a correct organization account? Never.
There were some kids years ago who went door to door with an American Lung Association coffee cup saying they were collecting donations. They got about $300. The kids would of kept the money but one of the Mom's found out the scheme and made them return the money.
How many times have you checked to see that a donation went into a correct organization account? Never.
There were some kids years ago who went door to door with an American Lung Association coffee cup saying they were collecting donations. They got about $300. The kids would of kept the money but one of the Mom's found out the scheme and made them return the money.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Parent (formerly known as Jed Clampett)
()
Date: October 18, 2007 11:50PM
Blutto Wrote:
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> I can see where this tub of lard was able to fool
> the members by using two sets of books. In the
> business world there are often two books one for
> the real cost and profits of a business and the
> other one you show the government.
>
> But in this case if the parents knew there was
> this large amount of money in the bank then an
> outside auditor would certainly have been in
> order. Even a half ass CPA would have picked this
> deception up right away. Since the organization
> was a 501 c 3 it should have been easy.
>
> Anytime you are dealing with six figures it isn't
> chump change. No matter the person, I trust no one
> that much. I am sure from now on there are
> safeguards in place. My personal advice from
> having seen it happen over and over is to always
> document things where money is concerned. I don't
> care if it is your spouse, brother, sister
> whoever. $180,000 is just too much temptaion.
>
> Since it is just too many pages to read was there
> ever an idea as to what she did with the money?
Blutto:
Puhleeeeeze. The biggest questions among guys at least surrounding the embezzlement isn't where did the money go, etc., it's what does her husband look like and what kind of drugs did he have in his system when he had sex with her. I say Wally Cox, Truman Capote or Tiny Tim and totally pure whatever is stronger than heroin. Having seen the Queen of Bling-Bling up close and personal (see below) I know what she looks like, but I haven't had the pleasure of meeting that lucky guy. Could someone please ante up with a photo? I told my wife if he looks like Brad Pitt to shoot me and say it was a mercy killing.
Anyway, I work really hard to keep my family fed (just like the original Jed Clampett) so I make enough money to live in the affluent Navy School district. AND, I'm really smart, too, but that's not how I make my money. Hmm, I did give $10/child so I could get a copy of the PTO directory so our children could call their friends to schedule play dates at the worst possible times; maybe I'm only more or less smart.
Since I'm more or less smart it was easy to figure out where the money went. If you were a member of the Fair Oaks Estates swimming pool you could figure it out, as well. On any given weekend day of the Summer (possibly weekdays, too, but I do the Jed Clampett thing during the week) a large mammal resembling a human being would position itself on one of the reclining deck chairs near the diving board. It wore some kind of flowing garment; never could see a swim suit. It was not a pretty sight. There was no fantasizing about your friends' wives at the Fair Oaks Estates pool; you couldn't get past the visual image of the large mammal.
In the parking lot at the end of Summer I told my wife that I didn't want to put the money down next year if I had to look at that again all Summer. She replied, "OK, but she was the PTO President at Navy and you saw her plenty of times there, so what's your problem?" Feeling dizzy, I said, "Are you sh--ting me?" Good thing our sons were inside buying ice cream bars or I would be living life as a divorcee for sure.
So my more or less smart money bets that $178,000 went for those "skimpy" portions from the food section at COSTCO for the large mammal, $1,000 for spa sessions for her offspring (they didn't help) and $1,000 for a fitness trainer for her husband (which he may not need; see above).
Oh, back to reality, since I'm the dumbest parent in the Navy district the really smart parents don't talk to me much, BUT I have heard rumblings that an O.J. Simpson-style civil lawsuit may be waiting for the criminal process to conclude, no matter what the venue is.
Post away; the reading is great entertainment and this story has a long way to go.
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> I can see where this tub of lard was able to fool
> the members by using two sets of books. In the
> business world there are often two books one for
> the real cost and profits of a business and the
> other one you show the government.
>
> But in this case if the parents knew there was
> this large amount of money in the bank then an
> outside auditor would certainly have been in
> order. Even a half ass CPA would have picked this
> deception up right away. Since the organization
> was a 501 c 3 it should have been easy.
>
> Anytime you are dealing with six figures it isn't
> chump change. No matter the person, I trust no one
> that much. I am sure from now on there are
> safeguards in place. My personal advice from
> having seen it happen over and over is to always
> document things where money is concerned. I don't
> care if it is your spouse, brother, sister
> whoever. $180,000 is just too much temptaion.
>
> Since it is just too many pages to read was there
> ever an idea as to what she did with the money?
Blutto:
Puhleeeeeze. The biggest questions among guys at least surrounding the embezzlement isn't where did the money go, etc., it's what does her husband look like and what kind of drugs did he have in his system when he had sex with her. I say Wally Cox, Truman Capote or Tiny Tim and totally pure whatever is stronger than heroin. Having seen the Queen of Bling-Bling up close and personal (see below) I know what she looks like, but I haven't had the pleasure of meeting that lucky guy. Could someone please ante up with a photo? I told my wife if he looks like Brad Pitt to shoot me and say it was a mercy killing.
Anyway, I work really hard to keep my family fed (just like the original Jed Clampett) so I make enough money to live in the affluent Navy School district. AND, I'm really smart, too, but that's not how I make my money. Hmm, I did give $10/child so I could get a copy of the PTO directory so our children could call their friends to schedule play dates at the worst possible times; maybe I'm only more or less smart.
Since I'm more or less smart it was easy to figure out where the money went. If you were a member of the Fair Oaks Estates swimming pool you could figure it out, as well. On any given weekend day of the Summer (possibly weekdays, too, but I do the Jed Clampett thing during the week) a large mammal resembling a human being would position itself on one of the reclining deck chairs near the diving board. It wore some kind of flowing garment; never could see a swim suit. It was not a pretty sight. There was no fantasizing about your friends' wives at the Fair Oaks Estates pool; you couldn't get past the visual image of the large mammal.
In the parking lot at the end of Summer I told my wife that I didn't want to put the money down next year if I had to look at that again all Summer. She replied, "OK, but she was the PTO President at Navy and you saw her plenty of times there, so what's your problem?" Feeling dizzy, I said, "Are you sh--ting me?" Good thing our sons were inside buying ice cream bars or I would be living life as a divorcee for sure.
So my more or less smart money bets that $178,000 went for those "skimpy" portions from the food section at COSTCO for the large mammal, $1,000 for spa sessions for her offspring (they didn't help) and $1,000 for a fitness trainer for her husband (which he may not need; see above).
Oh, back to reality, since I'm the dumbest parent in the Navy district the really smart parents don't talk to me much, BUT I have heard rumblings that an O.J. Simpson-style civil lawsuit may be waiting for the criminal process to conclude, no matter what the venue is.
Post away; the reading is great entertainment and this story has a long way to go.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
word
()
Date: October 19, 2007 08:14AM
attempt at humor failed
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: October 19, 2007 09:11AM
Navy Parent (formerly known as Jed Cl Wrote:
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>
> Puhleeeeeze. The biggest questions among guys at
> least surrounding the embezzlement isn't where did
> the money go, etc., it's what does her husband
> look like and what kind of drugs did he have in
> his system when he had sex with her.
I bet her fleshy folds look and smell like a Gyro.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Puhleeeeeze. The biggest questions among guys at
> least surrounding the embezzlement isn't where did
> the money go, etc., it's what does her husband
> look like and what kind of drugs did he have in
> his system when he had sex with her.
I bet her fleshy folds look and smell like a Gyro.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The TRUTH!!!
()
Date: October 19, 2007 11:28AM
Can't wait to see the documents after all is said and done. Lots of rumors, assumptions, and what ifs. Hopefully someone will take notes at the prelim. for those not able to make the court house trip.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jimmy
()
Date: October 19, 2007 11:41AM
Is it true that Mr. Mattfeld no longer is employed by AOL or may relocate to NYC?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: October 19, 2007 12:00PM
Jimmy Wrote:
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> Is it true that Mr. Mattfeld no longer is employed
> by AOL or may relocate to NYC?
Like you will get the truth here?
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> Is it true that Mr. Mattfeld no longer is employed
> by AOL or may relocate to NYC?
Like you will get the truth here?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jimmy
()
Date: October 19, 2007 02:07PM
Max Planck said it best:
It is not the possession of truth, but the success which attends the seeking after it, that enriches the seeker and brings happiness to him.
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." --Albert Einstein
It is not the possession of truth, but the success which attends the seeking after it, that enriches the seeker and brings happiness to him.
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." --Albert Einstein
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
truth seeker
()
Date: October 19, 2007 04:18PM
Take a look at the pettion going around about redistricting the schools, you can see Litsa and Doug signed it, then all the names around Litsa is all her "old" gang from Navy. Better get a good attorney!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Blutto
()
Date: October 19, 2007 05:57PM
I am going to bet it was gambling. I will also bet that Fairfax County makes up the loss through taxpayer dollars.
Maybe as a way to replace the money they could hold a carnival and let you throw balls at her head for $1.00 each
Maybe as a way to replace the money they could hold a carnival and let you throw balls at her head for $1.00 each
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Parent (formerly known as Jed Clampett)
()
Date: October 19, 2007 11:40PM
Thanks for the parental advice. Of course, you are right that there is nothing humorous about Litsa Mattfeld or the crime she committed. Maybe I'll pass it on to my children.
Hide and watch. Litsa and her "gang", maybe even some Navy staff, could need a good attorney when the civil suit hits the docket. Can you say bankruptcy court? A discovery proceeding to examine personal financial records could get very interesting and who knows where that trail might lead. Even the IRS may get interested if they aren't already.
When the hardball starts it will get even less humorous. What is missing from the discussion so far is that Litsa's "apprehension" by law enforcement has provided a forum for people to express that they felt she and her "gang" were scum all along and no parent with any self-respect would even consider actually getting "involved" with her and her "soul-mates", including the ones now running the PTO Board. It is reported that a large turnout for a PTO meeting would be 10 or less parents from a pool of parents of 800 students.
We join to get the PTO Directory and in the naive assumption that some of the funds that are raised will go to "teacher development", whatever the [blank] that is, but this year and onward all we want is the Directory.
I actually wasn't joking about the feeling that $180,000 is not a big deal to parents collectively in the Navy School district. The district is realistically affluent enough to blow that loss off and never look back.
The damage done by Litsa Mattfeld is much more lasting than a loss of money. She created "rampant cynicism". Cynicism that the person at the head of the PTO now is a "soul mate "of Litsa and cynicism that so is everyone else on the PTO Board, and that the Board will always be populated with people like her. Once we get the Directory they won't see another dime from us.
Chill out; humor helps society get past mutants like Litsa Mattfeld and her husband and her "gang".
Hide and watch. Litsa and her "gang", maybe even some Navy staff, could need a good attorney when the civil suit hits the docket. Can you say bankruptcy court? A discovery proceeding to examine personal financial records could get very interesting and who knows where that trail might lead. Even the IRS may get interested if they aren't already.
When the hardball starts it will get even less humorous. What is missing from the discussion so far is that Litsa's "apprehension" by law enforcement has provided a forum for people to express that they felt she and her "gang" were scum all along and no parent with any self-respect would even consider actually getting "involved" with her and her "soul-mates", including the ones now running the PTO Board. It is reported that a large turnout for a PTO meeting would be 10 or less parents from a pool of parents of 800 students.
We join to get the PTO Directory and in the naive assumption that some of the funds that are raised will go to "teacher development", whatever the [blank] that is, but this year and onward all we want is the Directory.
I actually wasn't joking about the feeling that $180,000 is not a big deal to parents collectively in the Navy School district. The district is realistically affluent enough to blow that loss off and never look back.
The damage done by Litsa Mattfeld is much more lasting than a loss of money. She created "rampant cynicism". Cynicism that the person at the head of the PTO now is a "soul mate "of Litsa and cynicism that so is everyone else on the PTO Board, and that the Board will always be populated with people like her. Once we get the Directory they won't see another dime from us.
Chill out; humor helps society get past mutants like Litsa Mattfeld and her husband and her "gang".
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: October 21, 2007 05:05PM
It's been a few days since fat Litsa has been at the top of this forum. Just thought I'd move her fat ass back up for some more insight from all you PTA parents who allowed yourselves to get screwed by the so-called "criminal mastermind." I don't know what is worse, Litsa's alleged abuses, the fact that you people took so long to catch it or the way you are ripping each other apart now. Sad. Pathetic. Yet mildly entertaining.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 23, 2007 08:03AM
I don't see how any parents or PTA staff would of known if Litsa was simply taking money, not recording it and depositing it in a fake account.
I guess the only way to stop this extremely easy type of donation fraud would be:
1) To have one PTA member and one third party present to accept donations and make sure they are recorded in a proper account.
2) Have some type of numbered receipt process in place that is verified at the end of the year by an external audit.(But I guess a person could probably fake the receipts)
I guess the only way to stop this extremely easy type of donation fraud would be:
1) To have one PTA member and one third party present to accept donations and make sure they are recorded in a proper account.
2) Have some type of numbered receipt process in place that is verified at the end of the year by an external audit.(But I guess a person could probably fake the receipts)
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: October 23, 2007 09:36AM
Lurker. Wrote:
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> I don't see how any parents or PTA staff would of
> known if Litsa was simply taking money, not
> recording it and depositing it in a fake account.
>
>
> I guess the only way to stop this extremely easy
> type of donation fraud would be:
>
> 1) To have one PTA member and one third party
> present to accept donations and make sure they are
> recorded in a proper account.
>
> 2) Have some type of numbered receipt process in
> place that is verified at the end of the year by
> an external audit.(But I guess a person could
> probably fake the receipts)
Basic oversight would have taken care of this. Sounds to me like everyone basically washed their hands of the process and left Litsa to her own device. If anyone else was even moderately involved in the process, suspicions should have been raised long before the audit found the problem.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't see how any parents or PTA staff would of
> known if Litsa was simply taking money, not
> recording it and depositing it in a fake account.
>
>
> I guess the only way to stop this extremely easy
> type of donation fraud would be:
>
> 1) To have one PTA member and one third party
> present to accept donations and make sure they are
> recorded in a proper account.
>
> 2) Have some type of numbered receipt process in
> place that is verified at the end of the year by
> an external audit.(But I guess a person could
> probably fake the receipts)
Basic oversight would have taken care of this. Sounds to me like everyone basically washed their hands of the process and left Litsa to her own device. If anyone else was even moderately involved in the process, suspicions should have been raised long before the audit found the problem.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 23, 2007 10:22AM
Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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>
> Basic oversight would have taken care of this.
> Sounds to me like everyone basically washed their
> hands of the process and left Litsa to her own
> device. If anyone else was even moderately
> involved in the process, suspicions should have
> been raised long before the audit found the
> problem.
An audit didn't find it, a quick thinking bank employee raised a red flag when Litsa tried to withdrawl money from a PTA account that the bank thought should of been closed. My guess is the bank employee went "Holy shit who missed this PTA account with $180,000 in it? Didn't we just close all the PTA accounts and move the money to PTO accounts?"
What "process" are are you talking about?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/2007 12:32PM by Lurker..
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>
> Basic oversight would have taken care of this.
> Sounds to me like everyone basically washed their
> hands of the process and left Litsa to her own
> device. If anyone else was even moderately
> involved in the process, suspicions should have
> been raised long before the audit found the
> problem.
An audit didn't find it, a quick thinking bank employee raised a red flag when Litsa tried to withdrawl money from a PTA account that the bank thought should of been closed. My guess is the bank employee went "Holy shit who missed this PTA account with $180,000 in it? Didn't we just close all the PTA accounts and move the money to PTO accounts?"
What "process" are are you talking about?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/2007 12:32PM by Lurker..
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Parent
()
Date: October 23, 2007 11:25AM
I'm just a lowly parent. I went back and looked at my cancelled checks for the PTA membership, year book, ice cream social etc for past years.......and on the back of the checks there is an ink stamp:
Deposit Navy PTA....and an account number. That's it. How would any parent know there was a problem?
Does anyone know the Banking Institution and the Bank Account number for the fraudulent account?
I'd be curious to see which account my checks were deposited into.
Do the individuals who wrote checks that Litsa stole have any grounds for suit?
Deposit Navy PTA....and an account number. That's it. How would any parent know there was a problem?
Does anyone know the Banking Institution and the Bank Account number for the fraudulent account?
I'd be curious to see which account my checks were deposited into.
Do the individuals who wrote checks that Litsa stole have any grounds for suit?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 23, 2007 01:38PM
From the Post:
In June, security officers at BB&T bank noticed unusual activity in the old PTA account, Officer Eddy Azcarate said. He said the bank contacted the new PTO officials, who were surprised because they thought the account had been closed.
In late June, the bank contacted police, and detectives from a financial crimes unit took over, Azcarate said.
In June, security officers at BB&T bank noticed unusual activity in the old PTA account, Officer Eddy Azcarate said. He said the bank contacted the new PTO officials, who were surprised because they thought the account had been closed.
In late June, the bank contacted police, and detectives from a financial crimes unit took over, Azcarate said.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
DipShites
()
Date: October 23, 2007 02:01PM
Parent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm just a lowly parent. I went back and looked
> at my cancelled checks for the PTA membership,
> year book, ice cream social etc for past
> years.......and on the back of the checks there is
> an ink stamp:
>
> Deposit Navy PTA....and an account number. That's
> it. How would any parent know there was a
> problem?
Uhh, just a guess here genius, but the fact that the check said "PTA" and you were in a "PTO" might be a clue. Please don't tell me you ALL let this go by unnoticed and unchecked. When you write a check to Joe Smith and it is endorsed by Bill Jones, do you get suspicious?
You can see my assertion above as to how this happened.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm just a lowly parent. I went back and looked
> at my cancelled checks for the PTA membership,
> year book, ice cream social etc for past
> years.......and on the back of the checks there is
> an ink stamp:
>
> Deposit Navy PTA....and an account number. That's
> it. How would any parent know there was a
> problem?
Uhh, just a guess here genius, but the fact that the check said "PTA" and you were in a "PTO" might be a clue. Please don't tell me you ALL let this go by unnoticed and unchecked. When you write a check to Joe Smith and it is endorsed by Bill Jones, do you get suspicious?
You can see my assertion above as to how this happened.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 23, 2007 03:01PM
DipShites Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Uhh, just a guess here genius, but the fact that
> the check said "PTA" and you were in a "PTO" might
> be a clue. Please don't tell me you ALL let this
> go by unnoticed and unchecked. When you write a
> check to Joe Smith and it is endorsed by Bill
> Jones, do you get suspicious?
>
> You can see my assertion above as to how this
> happened.
They recently changed over to a PTO, so go figure that she might have one more checks with the old PTA account on it.
What bank and account does the check say?
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Uhh, just a guess here genius, but the fact that
> the check said "PTA" and you were in a "PTO" might
> be a clue. Please don't tell me you ALL let this
> go by unnoticed and unchecked. When you write a
> check to Joe Smith and it is endorsed by Bill
> Jones, do you get suspicious?
>
> You can see my assertion above as to how this
> happened.
They recently changed over to a PTO, so go figure that she might have one more checks with the old PTA account on it.
What bank and account does the check say?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Another parent
()
Date: October 23, 2007 04:34PM
DipShites Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm just a lowly parent. I went back and
> looked
> > at my cancelled checks for the PTA membership,
> > year book, ice cream social etc for past
> > years.......and on the back of the checks there
> is
> > an ink stamp:
> >
> > Deposit Navy PTA....and an account number.
> That's
> > it. How would any parent know there was a
> > problem?
>
> Uhh, just a guess here genius, but the fact that
> the check said "PTA" and you were in a "PTO" might
> be a clue. Please don't tell me you ALL let this
> go by unnoticed and unchecked. When you write a
> check to Joe Smith and it is endorsed by Bill
> Jones, do you get suspicious?
>
> You can see my assertion above as to how this
> happened.
Listen Dipshites..... FUCK YOU AND YOUR SNIDE COMMENTS.
Navy Elementary had a "PTA" from 2001 - 2006 when all of this happened. Not a PTO. Why don't you take a lesson from yourself and stop making comments when you don't know the facts. When you do this you actually are what your title describes you as being..... a dipshite!
The change FROM a PTA to PTO was Litsa's idea. This happened in the FALL of 2006. This was probably how she was planning to hide her criminal activities, because new accounts had to be opened and she was hoping things would get over looked. (Fortunately, this was indeed, her demise, thank goodness.)
It is my understanding that her strategy was to open more than one PTA account. One for the school and one for herself. Who would know since the statement was coming to her at HER house.
To Parent: One of the many CANCELLED CHECKs that I have shows:
FOR DEPOSIT ONLY
NAVY ES PTA
5139270225
There is also another mark with the following:
055003308 < BB&T #3794
6402 Arlington Blvd. P031
Falls Church, VA 09202004
How would any one know if that IS or IS NOT the correct PTA account or the one that Litsa may have fabricated. I'm sure with the multiple accounts she had MULTIPLE DEPOSIT STAMPS fabricated, too.
From 2004 on....my bank (Bank of America) does not return the cancelled check, but a copy of the front of the check ONLY. There are approximately 10 checks per page on the statement....showing only the front. There is no way to see how the check is endorsed when you get the statement.
Dipshites probably looks at each endorsement signature and deposit account number on each one of his/her cancelled checks. I'm sure he/she would have had plenty of time to catch this criminal with all of his/her free time. But since he/she makes comments without knowing what the hell he/she is talking about...I guess he/she isn't a GENIOUS either......just a Dipshite, per his/her title.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm just a lowly parent. I went back and
> looked
> > at my cancelled checks for the PTA membership,
> > year book, ice cream social etc for past
> > years.......and on the back of the checks there
> is
> > an ink stamp:
> >
> > Deposit Navy PTA....and an account number.
> That's
> > it. How would any parent know there was a
> > problem?
>
> Uhh, just a guess here genius, but the fact that
> the check said "PTA" and you were in a "PTO" might
> be a clue. Please don't tell me you ALL let this
> go by unnoticed and unchecked. When you write a
> check to Joe Smith and it is endorsed by Bill
> Jones, do you get suspicious?
>
> You can see my assertion above as to how this
> happened.
Listen Dipshites..... FUCK YOU AND YOUR SNIDE COMMENTS.
Navy Elementary had a "PTA" from 2001 - 2006 when all of this happened. Not a PTO. Why don't you take a lesson from yourself and stop making comments when you don't know the facts. When you do this you actually are what your title describes you as being..... a dipshite!
The change FROM a PTA to PTO was Litsa's idea. This happened in the FALL of 2006. This was probably how she was planning to hide her criminal activities, because new accounts had to be opened and she was hoping things would get over looked. (Fortunately, this was indeed, her demise, thank goodness.)
It is my understanding that her strategy was to open more than one PTA account. One for the school and one for herself. Who would know since the statement was coming to her at HER house.
To Parent: One of the many CANCELLED CHECKs that I have shows:
FOR DEPOSIT ONLY
NAVY ES PTA
5139270225
There is also another mark with the following:
055003308 < BB&T #3794
6402 Arlington Blvd. P031
Falls Church, VA 09202004
How would any one know if that IS or IS NOT the correct PTA account or the one that Litsa may have fabricated. I'm sure with the multiple accounts she had MULTIPLE DEPOSIT STAMPS fabricated, too.
From 2004 on....my bank (Bank of America) does not return the cancelled check, but a copy of the front of the check ONLY. There are approximately 10 checks per page on the statement....showing only the front. There is no way to see how the check is endorsed when you get the statement.
Dipshites probably looks at each endorsement signature and deposit account number on each one of his/her cancelled checks. I'm sure he/she would have had plenty of time to catch this criminal with all of his/her free time. But since he/she makes comments without knowing what the hell he/she is talking about...I guess he/she isn't a GENIOUS either......just a Dipshite, per his/her title.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
DipShites
()
Date: October 23, 2007 05:08PM
A Dipshite that didn't get a $180K stolen from right under my nose. LOL!!
Also, very smart putting up Acct #s on an open website. Do you ever wonder why Nigerians ask you for your account numbers? You just gave them one for free.
Be sure to kiss your little ones goodnight with that lovely language, you house shrew!
Also, very smart putting up Acct #s on an open website. Do you ever wonder why Nigerians ask you for your account numbers? You just gave them one for free.
Be sure to kiss your little ones goodnight with that lovely language, you house shrew!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
§
()
Date: October 23, 2007 05:12PM
In this matter, it seems that failed oversight by BOD equals shared civil liability. They better hope a concerned parent-donor doesn't rally the troops and file a class-action. Without reading the language of the old PTA formation docs, it appears as if this matter would certainly pass right through summary judgment with Litsa as the lead and the BOD as co-defendants. -§
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To Dipshites
()
Date: October 23, 2007 05:37PM
Dipshites,
The old pta accounts have been closed.
The old pta accounts have been closed.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To Dipshites
()
Date: October 23, 2007 05:45PM
DipShites Wrote:
> you house shrew!
There you go....assuming once again, however incorrectly. Boy you really are a Dipshite.
> you house shrew!
There you go....assuming once again, however incorrectly. Boy you really are a Dipshite.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: October 23, 2007 09:31PM
Dipshites why don't you call yourself FattySmellySweaty instead?
Interesting that there are two different accounts. Wow if Litsa used two different rubber stamps to make deposits then she's done for. What an idiot!
Interesting that there are two different accounts. Wow if Litsa used two different rubber stamps to make deposits then she's done for. What an idiot!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
jjj
()
Date: October 23, 2007 10:11PM
"Whatever" Litsa did was enough to cause suspicion with the Bank for them to notify the school and the police. After a financial investigation by the police there was enough evidence to ultimately arrest and charge her with felony embezzlement. $180,000 is quite a large amount. I'm sure the full details of what happened and the evidence won't come out until the court hearing.
The people who do know what happened are having to be mum on the subject at the investigator's request due to the pending court hearing. Litsa is the only one charged.
Mark your calendars for January 7, 2008.....to see the "true Hollywood story"
The people who do know what happened are having to be mum on the subject at the investigator's request due to the pending court hearing. Litsa is the only one charged.
Mark your calendars for January 7, 2008.....to see the "true Hollywood story"
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
extra help
()
Date: October 24, 2007 06:34AM
Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: truth seeker (IP Logged)
Date: October 23, 2007 09:48PM
NAVY PARENTS _ GET OUT AND VOTE TAKE CARE OF THIS ISSUE FIRST!!!!!!!!!!
Fact - just came from a community meeting regarding this HOT topic, the first and most important thing that the voters from CHANTILLY/OAKTON/WESTFIELD/HERNDON can do is get out the flyers available from:
www.StopRD.org
the candidates have all been polled and this group has the answers the candidates provided and how they will vote when this comes before them in january. Please vist this web site for all the information you will need, it will give you fact not fiction. What ever your reason for not wanting redistricting this group will provide you with the inforation you need. What you HAVE to do is get out and vote.
Now my side, GOOD BYE STU, GOOD BYE KATHY, we learned so much tonight thank you StopRD.org for your valuable information. Pick up a stack of flyers(they are already made) they have thousands available for your district, bring them to your home football game Friday night and cover the windshields of all the cars. Have the kids do it they even have a form that authorizes this as community service for the kids!! WESTFIELD @ OAKTON this Friday pick up the flyers and you can get "two birds with one stone" at the game. When it comes to this issue there is no loser at the football game as long as every car is given a flyer.
LITZENBERGER - sully
Braunlich - at large
Costantine - at large
Raney - at large
VOTE NOVEMBER 6th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: truth seeker (IP Logged)
Date: October 23, 2007 09:48PM
NAVY PARENTS _ GET OUT AND VOTE TAKE CARE OF THIS ISSUE FIRST!!!!!!!!!!
Fact - just came from a community meeting regarding this HOT topic, the first and most important thing that the voters from CHANTILLY/OAKTON/WESTFIELD/HERNDON can do is get out the flyers available from:
www.StopRD.org
the candidates have all been polled and this group has the answers the candidates provided and how they will vote when this comes before them in january. Please vist this web site for all the information you will need, it will give you fact not fiction. What ever your reason for not wanting redistricting this group will provide you with the inforation you need. What you HAVE to do is get out and vote.
Now my side, GOOD BYE STU, GOOD BYE KATHY, we learned so much tonight thank you StopRD.org for your valuable information. Pick up a stack of flyers(they are already made) they have thousands available for your district, bring them to your home football game Friday night and cover the windshields of all the cars. Have the kids do it they even have a form that authorizes this as community service for the kids!! WESTFIELD @ OAKTON this Friday pick up the flyers and you can get "two birds with one stone" at the game. When it comes to this issue there is no loser at the football game as long as every car is given a flyer.
LITZENBERGER - sully
Braunlich - at large
Costantine - at large
Raney - at large
VOTE NOVEMBER 6th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy
()
Date: October 24, 2007 07:16AM
Don't you have to pay dues to be part of National PTA and if you did NOT pay the dues than you are not governed by their regulations, insurance, or restrictions? DO you think Mrs. M. paid the dues? NO! AND why did we jump around from fundraiser to fundraiser company, year to year. Because Navy had not PAID their bill so Navy could not go back to the same company.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
MCA
()
Date: October 24, 2007 07:21AM
jjj Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mark your calendars for January 7, 2008.....to see
> the "true Hollywood story"
Great, we get to hear about this for months to come. I'm so sick of this topic... Who cares, some fat bitch made off with your cash. Oh well bummer.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mark your calendars for January 7, 2008.....to see
> the "true Hollywood story"
Great, we get to hear about this for months to come. I'm so sick of this topic... Who cares, some fat bitch made off with your cash. Oh well bummer.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: October 24, 2007 11:12AM
MCA Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> jjj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mark your calendars for January 7, 2008.....to
> see
> > the "true Hollywood story"
>
>
> Great, we get to hear about this for months to
> come. I'm so sick of this topic... Who cares, some
> fat bitch made off with your cash. Oh well bummer.
Don't worry about it. Her lawyer will cut a deal long before a judge ever hears this. That's what the delay is about. Her lawyer is working a deal with the DA to prevent further embarrassment for his client. She will get a deferred sentence and probation. In five years this won't be on her record at all. These people are going to be SOOO pissed when that happens.
-------------------------------------------------------
> jjj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mark your calendars for January 7, 2008.....to
> see
> > the "true Hollywood story"
>
>
> Great, we get to hear about this for months to
> come. I'm so sick of this topic... Who cares, some
> fat bitch made off with your cash. Oh well bummer.
Don't worry about it. Her lawyer will cut a deal long before a judge ever hears this. That's what the delay is about. Her lawyer is working a deal with the DA to prevent further embarrassment for his client. She will get a deferred sentence and probation. In five years this won't be on her record at all. These people are going to be SOOO pissed when that happens.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: October 24, 2007 05:46PM
the Commonwealth Attorney of Virginia is an elected official
call or write to the commonwealth attoreys office and let them that YOU do not want Litsa to plea to a lesser charge.
Ray Morrough 4110 Chain Bridge Road, Suite 123 Fairfax, VA 22030-4047 (703) 246-2776
The Commonwealth’s Attorney is not required to practice civil law or advise or
represent the county or city officials, agencies, departments, or boards. The duty of
the Commonwealth’s Attorney involves the enforcement of criminal law: • Prosecution of all felony warrants and indictments; and • Payment of delinquent fines, fees, costs, forfeitures, penalties and restitution.
A discretionary duty of Commonwealth’s Attorneys is the prosecution of Class 1, 2,
and 3 misdemeanors that may carry a penalty of confinement or fine up to $500 or
more.
BTW Nov 6 we get to vote for a new commonwealth attorney
taker a look at this guys web site to see what been going on in our courts.....
http://mcdadeforca.com/Pages/getNewsSeptember.html
and this...
http://masonconservative.typepad.com/the_mason_conservative/2007/06/why_you_should_.html
UNDER BOB HORAN AND RAY MORROUGH, ONLY 28% OF FELONIES IN FAIRFAX COUNTY ARE BROUGHT TO PROSECUTION, THE WORST IN THE COMMONWEALTH!!
call or write to the commonwealth attoreys office and let them that YOU do not want Litsa to plea to a lesser charge.
Ray Morrough 4110 Chain Bridge Road, Suite 123 Fairfax, VA 22030-4047 (703) 246-2776
The Commonwealth’s Attorney is not required to practice civil law or advise or
represent the county or city officials, agencies, departments, or boards. The duty of
the Commonwealth’s Attorney involves the enforcement of criminal law: • Prosecution of all felony warrants and indictments; and • Payment of delinquent fines, fees, costs, forfeitures, penalties and restitution.
A discretionary duty of Commonwealth’s Attorneys is the prosecution of Class 1, 2,
and 3 misdemeanors that may carry a penalty of confinement or fine up to $500 or
more.
BTW Nov 6 we get to vote for a new commonwealth attorney
taker a look at this guys web site to see what been going on in our courts.....
http://mcdadeforca.com/Pages/getNewsSeptember.html
and this...
http://masonconservative.typepad.com/the_mason_conservative/2007/06/why_you_should_.html
UNDER BOB HORAN AND RAY MORROUGH, ONLY 28% OF FELONIES IN FAIRFAX COUNTY ARE BROUGHT TO PROSECUTION, THE WORST IN THE COMMONWEALTH!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
innocenttillprovenguilty
()
Date: October 24, 2007 09:42PM
She will have her day in court, where a jury of her peers will determine her guilt or innocence until then, lets remember that the bill of rights clearly states the rights of the accused. She may be guilty, she may be innocent. Until then, as the commercial says, "don't judge too quickly".
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Neen
()
Date: October 24, 2007 10:11PM
You mean like OJ was innocent of Killing Nicole and Ron Goldman?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The TRUTH!!!
()
Date: October 25, 2007 06:37AM
Nice fairy tale. Easter Bunny is going to lock her up. Rock solid guilty! ON REAL facts, ladies and gentlemen.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
S/N ratio improvement
()
Date: October 25, 2007 07:46AM
Jester Wrote:
> Interesting that there are two different accounts.
> Wow if Litsa used two different rubber stamps to
> make deposits then she's done for. What an idiot!
One of those is a routing number, not a bank account, I believe. ("Routing number" == "bank number" -- think "IP address" vs. "hostname", if that helps.)
> Interesting that there are two different accounts.
> Wow if Litsa used two different rubber stamps to
> make deposits then she's done for. What an idiot!
One of those is a routing number, not a bank account, I believe. ("Routing number" == "bank number" -- think "IP address" vs. "hostname", if that helps.)
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: October 25, 2007 01:37PM
It sounds like this gal allegedly set up two different bank accounts for the same organization. She deposited some checks into the official account, which she probably needed two signatures to write a check from, and some in the other account, from which she probably wrote checks to herself.
The interesting thing is she had to have had some sort of ID number for that second account. If she used the tax number for the PTA, she could be guilty of tax evasion on two fronts - both personally and as head of the PTA since she most likely didn't report ALL of the interest income from the two accounts because it would have tipped everyone off to the fact there were two accounts in the first place.
If you PTA/PTO folks really want to get after this gal, I would suggest you get an auditor to go through the records of both bank accounts, as well as the tax receipts from the banks. If it turns out that she was under-reporting taxes, turn the audit over to the IRS to follow-up on. It may be the only way she pays something for her supposed crime.
The interesting thing is she had to have had some sort of ID number for that second account. If she used the tax number for the PTA, she could be guilty of tax evasion on two fronts - both personally and as head of the PTA since she most likely didn't report ALL of the interest income from the two accounts because it would have tipped everyone off to the fact there were two accounts in the first place.
If you PTA/PTO folks really want to get after this gal, I would suggest you get an auditor to go through the records of both bank accounts, as well as the tax receipts from the banks. If it turns out that she was under-reporting taxes, turn the audit over to the IRS to follow-up on. It may be the only way she pays something for her supposed crime.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 25, 2007 02:11PM
Good point on the ID number.
I don't think banks verify company ID(EIN) numbers. Litsa could of just made up a fake ID for the second account.
Interesting that somebody said the address for the accounts was her home address. I guess that makes sense since the PTA probably didn't have an office some place. She could got statements for both accounts and just showed one account statement.
Considering her MO from the one place she stole from, I'd guess she was writing checks for cash and saying that she was getting change money for events. She probably then pocketed the cash for dinner costs later.
I would think using two different banks would be the best. It would be pretty stupid to have the second account at the same bank.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/25/2007 02:13PM by Lurker..
I don't think banks verify company ID(EIN) numbers. Litsa could of just made up a fake ID for the second account.
Interesting that somebody said the address for the accounts was her home address. I guess that makes sense since the PTA probably didn't have an office some place. She could got statements for both accounts and just showed one account statement.
Considering her MO from the one place she stole from, I'd guess she was writing checks for cash and saying that she was getting change money for events. She probably then pocketed the cash for dinner costs later.
I would think using two different banks would be the best. It would be pretty stupid to have the second account at the same bank.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/25/2007 02:13PM by Lurker..
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Notified
()
Date: October 25, 2007 02:13PM
The IRS has already been notified by at least one concerned citizen complete with contact information for the FCPD investigator, previous court date, arrest article, mug shot, bank information, and other pertinent background information with previous work history. Hopefully, they will follow through and investigate themselves.
If others would like to follow suit....(multiple requests would certainly help,) you can get the forms and information on the www.irs.gov web site. Do a search on FRAUD and the forms will come up.
If others would like to follow suit....(multiple requests would certainly help,) you can get the forms and information on the www.irs.gov web site. Do a search on FRAUD and the forms will come up.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: October 25, 2007 11:21PM
"I don't think banks verify company ID(EIN) numbers. Litsa could of just made up a fake ID for the second account."
I would be very surprised if a bank didn't run some kind of check on an EIN or ITN number. I mean, they would run a credit check when opening an account, wouldn't they?
Besides that, it would still be tax evasion regardless of whether a legit tax number was used because it is doubtful two sets of tax forms were filed for the same organization.
I would be very surprised if a bank didn't run some kind of check on an EIN or ITN number. I mean, they would run a credit check when opening an account, wouldn't they?
Besides that, it would still be tax evasion regardless of whether a legit tax number was used because it is doubtful two sets of tax forms were filed for the same organization.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Reaching
()
Date: October 26, 2007 10:53AM
Boy, you folks have waaaaayyyyy too much time on your hands. You've gone from telling the police how to do their jobs to now telling the IRS what to do, where was all this due dilligence 5yrs ago?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: October 26, 2007 11:25AM
I don't know this woman or these people. However, I do think the Fairfax DA won't do shit about this in the end except cut a plea deal to make it go away. I think the parties concerned should explore additional avenues, such as going to the IRS, to make sure justice - if required here - is done.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: October 26, 2007 01:42PM
I guess they trust Litsa LOL
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: October 26, 2007 01:43PM
Oops! I meant "I guess they TRUSTED Litsa" What a mistake that is.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Parental Unit
()
Date: October 26, 2007 02:23PM
My son played baseball for Litsa's husband years ago. Doug is a plain-looking gent (a little overweight like most of us, but not excessive) He was very nice. I was also invited to participate in Navy's PTA years ago when Litsa was Prez but did not because Litsa bothered me so much....very much a control freak and would only do things HER way. Did not want to be a part of that. In retrospect, I should have, looks like she only got "Yes men" to work with her. I heard that she has a fondness for very expensive designer purses and threw huge parties for her kids, along with vacations for the family. I think all that money is already spent.
I only knew Litsa as an acquaintance, but I guarantee you that she stole WAY more than $180,000.....that is all they can prove. She used to tell us when she volunteered for things at Navy that she had a bad back and needed to be in a seated position "like tending the cash box." Yikes. My biggest fear is that she will not be punished at all for this like previous posts have stated. And to think about all the times I used my own hard-earned money to finance things (class parties, group assignments) for my 2 sons' classes because "there was not enough money in the PTA to cover it."
I only knew Litsa as an acquaintance, but I guarantee you that she stole WAY more than $180,000.....that is all they can prove. She used to tell us when she volunteered for things at Navy that she had a bad back and needed to be in a seated position "like tending the cash box." Yikes. My biggest fear is that she will not be punished at all for this like previous posts have stated. And to think about all the times I used my own hard-earned money to finance things (class parties, group assignments) for my 2 sons' classes because "there was not enough money in the PTA to cover it."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
fact finder
()
Date: October 27, 2007 01:11PM
just went through some old emails as a former NAvyite, and low and behold I found some from Litsa @>>>>> anyway, most have to do with her ideas to raise money for special funds for people associated with Navy that had some misfortunes (medical, personal, etc...)I won't get in to the particulars here but I believe that these "special funds" should be looked at. I know I am not the only one with some old emails still on their computer. And the nice thing about it she was not computer savy to show "undisclosed recipient" so I have all the email address that these were sent to. Any other navy people out there with old emails? Come on now don't be shy....... Ihave some addresses if your note sure............................
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
citizen
()
Date: October 29, 2007 04:06PM
Is tommorrow the big day? What are the details? Time, Place etc...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: October 29, 2007 04:32PM
She got the case moved to January
Case Details
Case Number:GC07180986-00 File Date:08/23/07
Complainant:CUMMINGS, E E Locality:COMMONWEALTH OF VA
Defendant: MATTFELD, TRIANTAFILITSA MARY
Defendant Status: Released on Recognizance
Defense Attorney: CANTRELL, MICHAEL H
City/State Address: FAIRFAX VA 22033
Sex: Female Race: White Caucasian (Non-Hispanic)
DOB: 12/17/1960
AKA1: AKA2:
Charge: EMBEZZLEMENT: >=$200
Code Section:18.2-111 Case Type: Felony Class: Other
Amended Charge:
Amended Code:
Amended Case Type:
Offense Date: 07/01/05 Arrest Date: 08/22/07
Hearings
Number Date Time Result Type Courtroom Plea Min Continuance Code
02 09/14/07 0925AM Continued Attorney Review 113 Other
03 10/30/07 0200PM Continued Preliminary 618 Defendant
04 01/07/08 0200PM Preliminary 000
Final Disposition:
Sentence: Sentence Suspension Time: Operator License Suspension Time:
Fine: $.00 Cost: $.00
Fine/Costs Due: Fine/Costs Paid: Fine/Costs Paid Date:
Probation Type: Probation Time: Probation Starts:
Case Details
Case Number:GC07180986-00 File Date:08/23/07
Complainant:CUMMINGS, E E Locality:COMMONWEALTH OF VA
Defendant: MATTFELD, TRIANTAFILITSA MARY
Defendant Status: Released on Recognizance
Defense Attorney: CANTRELL, MICHAEL H
City/State Address: FAIRFAX VA 22033
Sex: Female Race: White Caucasian (Non-Hispanic)
DOB: 12/17/1960
AKA1: AKA2:
Charge: EMBEZZLEMENT: >=$200
Code Section:18.2-111 Case Type: Felony Class: Other
Amended Charge:
Amended Code:
Amended Case Type:
Offense Date: 07/01/05 Arrest Date: 08/22/07
Hearings
Number Date Time Result Type Courtroom Plea Min Continuance Code
02 09/14/07 0925AM Continued Attorney Review 113 Other
03 10/30/07 0200PM Continued Preliminary 618 Defendant
04 01/07/08 0200PM Preliminary 000
Final Disposition:
Sentence: Sentence Suspension Time: Operator License Suspension Time:
Fine: $.00 Cost: $.00
Fine/Costs Due: Fine/Costs Paid: Fine/Costs Paid Date:
Probation Type: Probation Time: Probation Starts:
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: October 30, 2007 09:58AM
Lurker. Wrote:
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> She got the case moved to January
>
> Case Details
>
> Case Number:GC07180986-00 File Date:08/23/07
> Complainant:CUMMINGS, E E Locality:COMMONWEALTH OF
> VA
>
> Defendant: MATTFELD, TRIANTAFILITSA MARY
> Defendant Status: Released on Recognizance
> Defense Attorney: CANTRELL, MICHAEL H
> City/State Address: FAIRFAX VA 22033
> Sex: Female Race: White Caucasian (Non-Hispanic)
> DOB: 12/17/1960
> AKA1: AKA2:
> Charge: EMBEZZLEMENT: >=$200
> Code Section:18.2-111 Case Type: Felony Class:
> Other
> Amended Charge:
> Amended Code:
> Amended Case Type:
>
> Offense Date: 07/01/05 Arrest Date: 08/22/07
>
> Hearings
> Number Date Time Result Type Courtroom Plea Min
> Continuance Code
> 02 09/14/07 0925AM Continued Attorney Review 113
> Other
> 03 10/30/07 0200PM Continued Preliminary 618
> Defendant
> 04 01/07/08 0200PM Preliminary 000
>
>
> Final Disposition:
> Sentence: Sentence Suspension Time: Operator
> License Suspension Time:
> Fine: $.00 Cost: $.00
> Fine/Costs Due: Fine/Costs Paid: Fine/Costs Paid
> Date:
> Probation Type: Probation Time: Probation Starts:
And she'll keep moving it until the attorneys cut a deal. Just watch.
-------------------------------------------------------
> She got the case moved to January
>
> Case Details
>
> Case Number:GC07180986-00 File Date:08/23/07
> Complainant:CUMMINGS, E E Locality:COMMONWEALTH OF
> VA
>
> Defendant: MATTFELD, TRIANTAFILITSA MARY
> Defendant Status: Released on Recognizance
> Defense Attorney: CANTRELL, MICHAEL H
> City/State Address: FAIRFAX VA 22033
> Sex: Female Race: White Caucasian (Non-Hispanic)
> DOB: 12/17/1960
> AKA1: AKA2:
> Charge: EMBEZZLEMENT: >=$200
> Code Section:18.2-111 Case Type: Felony Class:
> Other
> Amended Charge:
> Amended Code:
> Amended Case Type:
>
> Offense Date: 07/01/05 Arrest Date: 08/22/07
>
> Hearings
> Number Date Time Result Type Courtroom Plea Min
> Continuance Code
> 02 09/14/07 0925AM Continued Attorney Review 113
> Other
> 03 10/30/07 0200PM Continued Preliminary 618
> Defendant
> 04 01/07/08 0200PM Preliminary 000
>
>
> Final Disposition:
> Sentence: Sentence Suspension Time: Operator
> License Suspension Time:
> Fine: $.00 Cost: $.00
> Fine/Costs Due: Fine/Costs Paid: Fine/Costs Paid
> Date:
> Probation Type: Probation Time: Probation Starts:
And she'll keep moving it until the attorneys cut a deal. Just watch.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Mother
()
Date: October 30, 2007 10:27AM
What does a "Continued Preliminary 618
Defendant" mean? 618 code?
Defendant" mean? 618 code?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: November 02, 2007 05:53AM
after the Nov 6 election Litsa has a better chance of pleading to a lesser charge.
that is why her attorney asked for a delay
Please don't forget to go to the hearing and make your feelings known to the court.
that is why her attorney asked for a delay
Please don't forget to go to the hearing and make your feelings known to the court.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: November 02, 2007 09:47AM
former navy mom Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> after the Nov 6 election Litsa has a better
> chance of pleading to a lesser charge.
>
> that is why her attorney asked for a delay
>
>
>
> Please don't forget to go to the hearing and make
> your feelings known to the court.
If she pleads to the lesser charge, there won't be a hearing.
Deferred felony with probation. Once she completes probation, her record will be clear. Just watch.
-------------------------------------------------------
> after the Nov 6 election Litsa has a better
> chance of pleading to a lesser charge.
>
> that is why her attorney asked for a delay
>
>
>
> Please don't forget to go to the hearing and make
> your feelings known to the court.
If she pleads to the lesser charge, there won't be a hearing.
Deferred felony with probation. Once she completes probation, her record will be clear. Just watch.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: November 02, 2007 10:30AM
Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> former navy mom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > after the Nov 6 election Litsa has a better
> > chance of pleading to a lesser charge.
> >
> > that is why her attorney asked for a delay
> >
> >
> >
> > Please don't forget to go to the hearing and
> make
> > your feelings known to the court.
>
>
> If she pleads to the lesser charge, there won't be
> a hearing.
>
> Deferred felony with probation. Once she completes
> probation, her record will be clear. Just watch.
she has to appear in court ot make a plea.
you need to either get a job or a life.
you spend way too much time on this messsage board
-------------------------------------------------------
> former navy mom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > after the Nov 6 election Litsa has a better
> > chance of pleading to a lesser charge.
> >
> > that is why her attorney asked for a delay
> >
> >
> >
> > Please don't forget to go to the hearing and
> make
> > your feelings known to the court.
>
>
> If she pleads to the lesser charge, there won't be
> a hearing.
>
> Deferred felony with probation. Once she completes
> probation, her record will be clear. Just watch.
she has to appear in court ot make a plea.
you need to either get a job or a life.
you spend way too much time on this messsage board
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Progressive
()
Date: November 02, 2007 12:35PM
former navy mom Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> she has to appear in court ot make a plea.
>
> you need to either get a job or a life.
>
> you spend way too much time on this messsage board
Why bother? You are talking to a know it all brick wall.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> she has to appear in court ot make a plea.
>
> you need to either get a job or a life.
>
> you spend way too much time on this messsage board
Why bother? You are talking to a know it all brick wall.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: November 02, 2007 05:00PM
former navy mom Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> she has to appear in court ot make a plea.
>
> you need to either get a job or a life.
>
> you spend way too much time on this messsage board
You spend way too much time worrying about what other people are doing.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> she has to appear in court ot make a plea.
>
> you need to either get a job or a life.
>
> you spend way too much time on this messsage board
You spend way too much time worrying about what other people are doing.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: November 02, 2007 05:03PM
Progressive Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Why bother? You are talking to a know it all brick
> wall.
I don't "know it all." I express an opinion. You are free to agree or disagree with it. If you don't like it, you can fuck off.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Why bother? You are talking to a know it all brick
> wall.
I don't "know it all." I express an opinion. You are free to agree or disagree with it. If you don't like it, you can fuck off.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
AJ
()
Date: November 03, 2007 12:51PM
I bet the pot guy didn't have $180,000 worth of pot in his closet.....BUT HE got HIS house searched.
Geez, life's not fair. Litsa should have been searched, too. Perhaps they might have found some residue from the $180K she stole.
Geez, life's not fair. Litsa should have been searched, too. Perhaps they might have found some residue from the $180K she stole.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: November 05, 2007 08:31AM
AJ Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I bet the pot guy didn't have $180,000 worth of
> pot in his closet.....BUT HE got HIS house
> searched.
>
> Geez, life's not fair. Litsa should have been
> searched, too. Perhaps they might have found some
> residue from the $180K she stole.
I wonder if they went thru Litsa trash also?
-------------------------------------------------------
> I bet the pot guy didn't have $180,000 worth of
> pot in his closet.....BUT HE got HIS house
> searched.
>
> Geez, life's not fair. Litsa should have been
> searched, too. Perhaps they might have found some
> residue from the $180K she stole.
I wonder if they went thru Litsa trash also?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
AJ
()
Date: November 05, 2007 08:50AM
Lurker. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> AJ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I bet the pot guy didn't have $180,000 worth of
> > pot in his closet.....BUT HE got HIS house
> > searched.
> >
> > Geez, life's not fair. Litsa should have been
> > searched, too. Perhaps they might have found
> some
> > residue from the $180K she stole.
>
> I wonder if they went thru Litsa trash also?
I'd bet $180,000 that they didn't.
-------------------------------------------------------
> AJ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I bet the pot guy didn't have $180,000 worth of
> > pot in his closet.....BUT HE got HIS house
> > searched.
> >
> > Geez, life's not fair. Litsa should have been
> > searched, too. Perhaps they might have found
> some
> > residue from the $180K she stole.
>
> I wonder if they went thru Litsa trash also?
I'd bet $180,000 that they didn't.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Progressive
()
Date: November 05, 2007 11:27AM
Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't "know it all." I express an opinion. You
> are free to agree or disagree with it. If you
> don't like it, you can fuck off.
So, it is your "opinion" that "If she pleads to the lesser charge, there won't be a hearing"?!? There is always a hearing in a plea bargain unless the charges are dropped. A prosecutor can't sentence a defendant, that can only be done by a judge, and that is done in a courtroom in a procedure known as a "sentencing hearing." Your "opinion" is factually inaccurate.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't "know it all." I express an opinion. You
> are free to agree or disagree with it. If you
> don't like it, you can fuck off.
So, it is your "opinion" that "If she pleads to the lesser charge, there won't be a hearing"?!? There is always a hearing in a plea bargain unless the charges are dropped. A prosecutor can't sentence a defendant, that can only be done by a judge, and that is done in a courtroom in a procedure known as a "sentencing hearing." Your "opinion" is factually inaccurate.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: November 05, 2007 11:48AM
Sorry. I should have written "there won't be a hearing of any consequence to you people." Is that better?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The TRUTH!!!
()
Date: November 05, 2007 11:53AM
See the lady that embezzled $800,000+. Got 9 years in prison. Figure we divide and 1 year in prison for Mrs. Matfeld and sell off her crap. 5 years worth of manipulation, I think she deserves that much. The Washington Post, style section shows a nice collection of purses for sale on ebay. Not a bad idea.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Petition Question
()
Date: November 05, 2007 02:53PM
Since the preliminary hearing got postponed until January....has the NCV petition been sent on to the appropriate individuals?
What should we do to make sure this does not slip through the cracks givent the delay??
What should we do to make sure this does not slip through the cracks givent the delay??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: November 06, 2007 05:17AM
Vote for Patrick McDade for commonwealth attorney today.
under our current attorney
72% of felonies charged in Fairfax are dropped to misdemeanors or dismissed.
more here..
http://www.mcdadeforca.com/Pages/getNews.html
under our current attorney
72% of felonies charged in Fairfax are dropped to misdemeanors or dismissed.
more here..
http://www.mcdadeforca.com/Pages/getNews.html
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Job Beams
()
Date: November 06, 2007 05:30AM
Would he vigorously prosecute the Navy School thief? Also, would he be aggressive with the criminal illegal aliens, as opposed to rolling out the welcome mat?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
bball2
()
Date: November 07, 2007 04:18PM
The TRUTH!!! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> See the lady that embezzled $800,000+. Got 9 years
> in prison. Figure we divide and 1 year in prison
> for Mrs. Matfeld and sell off her crap. 5 years
> worth of manipulation, I think she deserves that
> much. The Washington Post, style section shows a
> nice collection of purses for sale on ebay. Not a
> bad idea.
Does anybody know if other groups Ms Matfeld volunteered with have found discrepancies? I know she was active in the local basketball league, but don't know if she had access to their funds...
Just wondering if the school account is the only local one she was into....
-------------------------------------------------------
> See the lady that embezzled $800,000+. Got 9 years
> in prison. Figure we divide and 1 year in prison
> for Mrs. Matfeld and sell off her crap. 5 years
> worth of manipulation, I think she deserves that
> much. The Washington Post, style section shows a
> nice collection of purses for sale on ebay. Not a
> bad idea.
Does anybody know if other groups Ms Matfeld volunteered with have found discrepancies? I know she was active in the local basketball league, but don't know if she had access to their funds...
Just wondering if the school account is the only local one she was into....
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: November 08, 2007 10:07AM
bball2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The TRUTH!!! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > See the lady that embezzled $800,000+. Got 9
> years
> > in prison. Figure we divide and 1 year in
> prison
> > for Mrs. Matfeld and sell off her crap. 5
> years
> > worth of manipulation, I think she deserves
> that
> > much. The Washington Post, style section shows
> a
> > nice collection of purses for sale on ebay. Not
> a
> > bad idea.
>
>
> Does anybody know if other groups Ms Matfeld
> volunteered with have found discrepancies? I know
> she was active in the local basketball league, but
> don't know if she had access to their funds...
>
> Just wondering if the school account is the only
> local one she was into....
I believe somebody posted that she is involved with three volunteer groups, go figure. One of which is the CYA. You'd have to look back at the posts.
-------------------------------------------------------
> The TRUTH!!! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > See the lady that embezzled $800,000+. Got 9
> years
> > in prison. Figure we divide and 1 year in
> prison
> > for Mrs. Matfeld and sell off her crap. 5
> years
> > worth of manipulation, I think she deserves
> that
> > much. The Washington Post, style section shows
> a
> > nice collection of purses for sale on ebay. Not
> a
> > bad idea.
>
>
> Does anybody know if other groups Ms Matfeld
> volunteered with have found discrepancies? I know
> she was active in the local basketball league, but
> don't know if she had access to their funds...
>
> Just wondering if the school account is the only
> local one she was into....
I believe somebody posted that she is involved with three volunteer groups, go figure. One of which is the CYA. You'd have to look back at the posts.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jimmy
()
Date: November 08, 2007 10:47AM
If the ground truth is contained in this thread, this woman is an evil doer through and through who would take advantage of any opportunity to steal from and cheat the organizations she was associated with. Let's hope that the investigators from the county, the IRS, the organizations she stole from, etc. come together; let's hope, also, that the new district attorney will put this woman in jail with the criminal illegal aliens. Stealing from kids, parking in no parking zones, giving parties for special people, etc., etc. No quarter for this punta!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
D. Advocate
()
Date: November 08, 2007 01:11PM
Jimmy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> If the ground truth is contained in this thread,
> this woman is an evil doer through and through who
> would take advantage of any opportunity to steal
> from and cheat the organizations she was
> associated with. Let's hope that the
> investigators from the county, the IRS, the
> organizations she stole from, etc. come together;
> let's hope, also, that the new district attorney
> will put this woman in jail with the criminal
> illegal aliens. Stealing from kids, parking in no
> parking zones, giving parties for special people,
> etc., etc. No quarter for this punta!
What if she's innocent?
-------------------------------------------------------
> If the ground truth is contained in this thread,
> this woman is an evil doer through and through who
> would take advantage of any opportunity to steal
> from and cheat the organizations she was
> associated with. Let's hope that the
> investigators from the county, the IRS, the
> organizations she stole from, etc. come together;
> let's hope, also, that the new district attorney
> will put this woman in jail with the criminal
> illegal aliens. Stealing from kids, parking in no
> parking zones, giving parties for special people,
> etc., etc. No quarter for this punta!
What if she's innocent?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
You're right
()
Date: November 08, 2007 02:03PM
...and what if she's really a skinny woman dressed in a fat suit?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jimmy
()
Date: November 08, 2007 02:48PM
Hence, the conditional: If the ground truth is contained in this thread,...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
More of the same
()
Date: November 09, 2007 10:17AM
Anybody see today's Post article, front page, top, "Student Money Vanishes, but Few Are Punished"? When are things going to change without these criminals like Litsa ever having to face severe consequences for their actions?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: November 09, 2007 12:59PM
Yeah here is the article - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/08/AR2007110802497.html
Simply amazing how many people rip off these schools. Maybe Litsa will be an example for this county and her sentencing will show there is a stiff penalty.
Simply amazing how many people rip off these schools. Maybe Litsa will be an example for this county and her sentencing will show there is a stiff penalty.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
truth
()
Date: November 09, 2007 11:28PM
maybe we can send litsa to south lakes, she could fill up some of the empty seats
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
1tiredmom
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Date: November 13, 2007 01:56PM
It is important that every person who feels strongly that Ms.Mattfeld should be held accountable for her actions write to the Commonwealth Attorney, Ray Morrough and tell him as a taxpayer and a VOTER that you do not want the Commonwealth to 'cut a deal' with Ms. Mattfeld. If enough people write to Mr. Morrough, the Commonwealth will respond accordingly.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
tiredofnavy
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Date: November 13, 2007 02:42PM
1tiredmom Wrote:
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> It is important that every person who feels
> strongly that Ms.Mattfeld should be held
> accountable for her actions write to the
> Commonwealth Attorney, Ray Morrough and tell him
> as a taxpayer and a VOTER that you do not want the
> Commonwealth to 'cut a deal' with Ms. Mattfeld.
> If enough people write to Mr. Morrough, the
> Commonwealth will respond accordingly.
I am a taxpayer and a VOTER and the county does a lot of crap that I don't want to see done. What makes you so special?
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> It is important that every person who feels
> strongly that Ms.Mattfeld should be held
> accountable for her actions write to the
> Commonwealth Attorney, Ray Morrough and tell him
> as a taxpayer and a VOTER that you do not want the
> Commonwealth to 'cut a deal' with Ms. Mattfeld.
> If enough people write to Mr. Morrough, the
> Commonwealth will respond accordingly.
I am a taxpayer and a VOTER and the county does a lot of crap that I don't want to see done. What makes you so special?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
Dr. Truth
()
Date: November 13, 2007 02:47PM
tiredofnavy Wrote:
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> 1tiredmom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It is important that every person who feels
> > strongly that Ms.Mattfeld should be held
> > accountable for her actions write to the
> > Commonwealth Attorney, Ray Morrough and tell
> him
> > as a taxpayer and a VOTER that you do not want
> the
> > Commonwealth to 'cut a deal' with Ms. Mattfeld.
>
> > If enough people write to Mr. Morrough, the
> > Commonwealth will respond accordingly.
>
> I am a taxpayer and a VOTER and the county does a
> lot of crap that I don't want to see done. What
> makes you so special?
Because they are a bunch of bored, white, affluent soccer moms who got suckered by this fat, poor, "ethnic" woman and now they are screaming for blood. They are embarrassed that this woman, who is so much less than they are, took $180K right from under their noses because they were too busy trying to be with the right group of people. They are a bunch of posers and wannabes and deserve this.
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> 1tiredmom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It is important that every person who feels
> > strongly that Ms.Mattfeld should be held
> > accountable for her actions write to the
> > Commonwealth Attorney, Ray Morrough and tell
> him
> > as a taxpayer and a VOTER that you do not want
> the
> > Commonwealth to 'cut a deal' with Ms. Mattfeld.
>
> > If enough people write to Mr. Morrough, the
> > Commonwealth will respond accordingly.
>
> I am a taxpayer and a VOTER and the county does a
> lot of crap that I don't want to see done. What
> makes you so special?
Because they are a bunch of bored, white, affluent soccer moms who got suckered by this fat, poor, "ethnic" woman and now they are screaming for blood. They are embarrassed that this woman, who is so much less than they are, took $180K right from under their noses because they were too busy trying to be with the right group of people. They are a bunch of posers and wannabes and deserve this.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
navy parent
()
Date: November 13, 2007 03:02PM
Dr. Truth Wrote:
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> tiredofnavy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 1tiredmom Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It is important that every person who feels
> > > strongly that Ms.Mattfeld should be held
> > > accountable for her actions write to the
> > > Commonwealth Attorney, Ray Morrough and tell
> > him
> > > as a taxpayer and a VOTER that you do not
> want
> > the
> > > Commonwealth to 'cut a deal' with Ms.
> Mattfeld.
> >
> > > If enough people write to Mr. Morrough, the
> > > Commonwealth will respond accordingly.
> >
> > I am a taxpayer and a VOTER and the county does
> a
> > lot of crap that I don't want to see done.
> What
> > makes you so special?
>
> Because they are a bunch of bored, white, affluent
> soccer moms who got suckered by this fat, poor,
> "ethnic" woman and now they are screaming for
> blood. They are embarrassed that this woman, who
> is so much less than they are, took $180K right
> from under their noses because they were too busy
> trying to be with the right group of people. They
> are a bunch of posers and wannabes and deserve
> this.
a bunch of "posers"
how old are you?
15?
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> tiredofnavy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 1tiredmom Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It is important that every person who feels
> > > strongly that Ms.Mattfeld should be held
> > > accountable for her actions write to the
> > > Commonwealth Attorney, Ray Morrough and tell
> > him
> > > as a taxpayer and a VOTER that you do not
> want
> > the
> > > Commonwealth to 'cut a deal' with Ms.
> Mattfeld.
> >
> > > If enough people write to Mr. Morrough, the
> > > Commonwealth will respond accordingly.
> >
> > I am a taxpayer and a VOTER and the county does
> a
> > lot of crap that I don't want to see done.
> What
> > makes you so special?
>
> Because they are a bunch of bored, white, affluent
> soccer moms who got suckered by this fat, poor,
> "ethnic" woman and now they are screaming for
> blood. They are embarrassed that this woman, who
> is so much less than they are, took $180K right
> from under their noses because they were too busy
> trying to be with the right group of people. They
> are a bunch of posers and wannabes and deserve
> this.
a bunch of "posers"
how old are you?
15?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
tiredofnavy
()
Date: November 13, 2007 03:16PM
navy parent Wrote:
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>
> a bunch of "posers"
>
> how old are you?
>
> 15?
Perhaps he is 15, but have you heard the old Psalm/saying that goes "Out of the mouths of babes"? Regardless of the age of the poster, he speaks the truth. There are far more serious criminals who have harmed their victims more severely receiveing lighter sentences than what you wish upon Mrs. Mattfeld. Perhaps you should put this into perspective.
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>
> a bunch of "posers"
>
> how old are you?
>
> 15?
Perhaps he is 15, but have you heard the old Psalm/saying that goes "Out of the mouths of babes"? Regardless of the age of the poster, he speaks the truth. There are far more serious criminals who have harmed their victims more severely receiveing lighter sentences than what you wish upon Mrs. Mattfeld. Perhaps you should put this into perspective.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: November 13, 2007 03:39PM
I'll put it into perspective, she stole from her job, then once she got caught she moved on to stealing $180,000 from the Navy kids.
She needs to spend some time in the big house at least 2 years and repay the money with interest.
She needs to spend some time in the big house at least 2 years and repay the money with interest.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
former navy parent
()
Date: November 13, 2007 07:21PM
tiredofnavy Wrote:
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> navy parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > a bunch of "posers"
> >
> > how old are you?
> >
> > 15?
>
>
>
> Perhaps he is 15, but have you heard the old
> Psalm/saying that goes "Out of the mouths of
> babes"? Regardless of the age of the poster, he
> speaks the truth. There are far more serious
> criminals who have harmed their victims more
> severely receiveing lighter sentences than what
> you wish upon Mrs. Mattfeld. Perhaps you should
> put this into perspective.
you must be either a friend of litsa or litsa herself if you don't think that someone who steals at the least 180,000 from students and teachers is a not a criminal who needs to go to jail.
It's not I who needs to put this in perspective
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> navy parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > a bunch of "posers"
> >
> > how old are you?
> >
> > 15?
>
>
>
> Perhaps he is 15, but have you heard the old
> Psalm/saying that goes "Out of the mouths of
> babes"? Regardless of the age of the poster, he
> speaks the truth. There are far more serious
> criminals who have harmed their victims more
> severely receiveing lighter sentences than what
> you wish upon Mrs. Mattfeld. Perhaps you should
> put this into perspective.
you must be either a friend of litsa or litsa herself if you don't think that someone who steals at the least 180,000 from students and teachers is a not a criminal who needs to go to jail.
It's not I who needs to put this in perspective
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
Accountability People !!!
()
Date: November 13, 2007 08:41PM
tiredofnavy Wrote:
> I am a taxpayer and a VOTER and the county does a
> lot of crap that I don't want to see done. What
> makes you so special?
I bet you would feel differently if Litsa had stolen $180,000 from your kids school. Any criminal who steals this amount of money and has a previous history of doing the same thing, should be put in jail with the other criminals....all of them, not just the white collar criminals.
You posters who think people who steal should not be held accountable are either "Litsa" or just plain morons.
Perhaps being in jail with other "really bad people," and paying back what was stolen, would be a reason to think twice the next time.
> I am a taxpayer and a VOTER and the county does a
> lot of crap that I don't want to see done. What
> makes you so special?
I bet you would feel differently if Litsa had stolen $180,000 from your kids school. Any criminal who steals this amount of money and has a previous history of doing the same thing, should be put in jail with the other criminals....all of them, not just the white collar criminals.
You posters who think people who steal should not be held accountable are either "Litsa" or just plain morons.
Perhaps being in jail with other "really bad people," and paying back what was stolen, would be a reason to think twice the next time.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
§
()
Date: November 14, 2007 01:07PM
Let's not forget the other BOD's and their failed oversight. -§
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
tiredofnavy
()
Date: November 14, 2007 01:40PM
Accountability People !!! Wrote:
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> I bet you would feel differently if Litsa had
> stolen $180,000 from your kids school. Any
> criminal who steals this amount of money and has a
> previous history of doing the same thing, should
> be put in jail with the other criminals....all of
> them, not just the white collar criminals.
>
> You posters who think people who steal should not
> be held accountable are either "Litsa" or just
> plain morons.
>
> Perhaps being in jail with other "really bad
> people," and paying back what was stolen, would be
> a reason to think twice the next time.
It is not just about being held accountable, I believe she should be, but your pollyanic ideas are out of tough with reality. In two recent high profile embezzlement cases in this county, the defendents were sentenced to or served less than four months for embezzling funds in excess of what Ms. Mattfeld took. When those convicted of sexual assault, assault and battery, robbery, and burglary are serving less than a year, your expectations are too high if you think she will get hard jail time. My initial point is that you people think you are better than and deserve more than any other victim of crime. The incumbent party just won the Commonwealth Attorney's job in this county. The new CA was a prosecutor in the former CAs office. If you wanted a stiffer sentence, you wouldn't have voted the status quo.
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> I bet you would feel differently if Litsa had
> stolen $180,000 from your kids school. Any
> criminal who steals this amount of money and has a
> previous history of doing the same thing, should
> be put in jail with the other criminals....all of
> them, not just the white collar criminals.
>
> You posters who think people who steal should not
> be held accountable are either "Litsa" or just
> plain morons.
>
> Perhaps being in jail with other "really bad
> people," and paying back what was stolen, would be
> a reason to think twice the next time.
It is not just about being held accountable, I believe she should be, but your pollyanic ideas are out of tough with reality. In two recent high profile embezzlement cases in this county, the defendents were sentenced to or served less than four months for embezzling funds in excess of what Ms. Mattfeld took. When those convicted of sexual assault, assault and battery, robbery, and burglary are serving less than a year, your expectations are too high if you think she will get hard jail time. My initial point is that you people think you are better than and deserve more than any other victim of crime. The incumbent party just won the Commonwealth Attorney's job in this county. The new CA was a prosecutor in the former CAs office. If you wanted a stiffer sentence, you wouldn't have voted the status quo.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
Dr. Truth
()
Date: November 14, 2007 04:34PM
tiredofnavy Wrote:
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> In two recent high
> profile embezzlement cases in this county, the
> defendents were sentenced to or served less than
> four months for embezzling funds in excess of what
> Ms. Mattfeld took.
If these people were serious, they will put their wallets together and go after her in a civil case, just to make a point. Guarantee you they won't even bother. They want the taxpayers of VA to do their dirty work for them. They won't do shit themselves. It's the same lackadaisical attitude that allowed this alleged crime to occur under their noses in the first place.
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> In two recent high
> profile embezzlement cases in this county, the
> defendents were sentenced to or served less than
> four months for embezzling funds in excess of what
> Ms. Mattfeld took.
If these people were serious, they will put their wallets together and go after her in a civil case, just to make a point. Guarantee you they won't even bother. They want the taxpayers of VA to do their dirty work for them. They won't do shit themselves. It's the same lackadaisical attitude that allowed this alleged crime to occur under their noses in the first place.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: November 14, 2007 04:41PM
Part of a $180,000 settlement might be very attractive to one of the ambulance chasing lawyers around here.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
tiredofnavy
()
Date: November 14, 2007 05:01PM
Jester Wrote:
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> Part of a $180,000 settlement might be very
> attractive to one of the ambulance chasing lawyers
> around here.
You would assume she has the $180K to fork over. If she did, the court would likely order immediate restitution. What ambulance chaser do you know that would settle for pennies on the dollar for $60K? The attorney would be lucky to actually recoup $3K- hardly worth the time.
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> Part of a $180,000 settlement might be very
> attractive to one of the ambulance chasing lawyers
> around here.
You would assume she has the $180K to fork over. If she did, the court would likely order immediate restitution. What ambulance chaser do you know that would settle for pennies on the dollar for $60K? The attorney would be lucky to actually recoup $3K- hardly worth the time.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: November 15, 2007 11:11AM
Very simple, Lien on her accounts so if she ever opens ANY account the money immediately recouped by the lawyer with interest. She'll never be able to pay the interest back and the lawyer will have a cash cow forever!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: November 15, 2007 11:16AM
a cash cow forever!
The term "cash cow" fits perfectly in this thread.
The term "cash cow" fits perfectly in this thread.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
tiredofnavy
()
Date: November 15, 2007 11:30AM
Jester Wrote:
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> Very simple, Lien on her accounts so if she ever
> opens ANY account the money immediately recouped
> by the lawyer with interest. She'll never be able
> to pay the interest back and the lawyer will have
> a cash cow forever!
You need to know where she opens an account in order to place a lien on it. That requires constant monitoring and/or inquiries to enforce your judgement. And if she knew that every time you deposited money into a bank it would be taken, would she open an account? Of course not, she would simply use cash or use an account owned only by her husband. And, even if your premise was not faulty, the attorney would still be collecting only 1/3 ove every dollar taken. It would take decades of inquiries and lien filings to recoup this. C'mon now, think before you speak. This is all nonsense. If she has no assets, no cash, no income, you will never see that money again.
I am not trying to diminish her crime with the next questions, but I am curious about the answer. Is the Navy PTA/PTO strapped for cash? Are the children suffering gravely because she stole the cash? Would anyone have ever noticed had she not been caught?
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> Very simple, Lien on her accounts so if she ever
> opens ANY account the money immediately recouped
> by the lawyer with interest. She'll never be able
> to pay the interest back and the lawyer will have
> a cash cow forever!
You need to know where she opens an account in order to place a lien on it. That requires constant monitoring and/or inquiries to enforce your judgement. And if she knew that every time you deposited money into a bank it would be taken, would she open an account? Of course not, she would simply use cash or use an account owned only by her husband. And, even if your premise was not faulty, the attorney would still be collecting only 1/3 ove every dollar taken. It would take decades of inquiries and lien filings to recoup this. C'mon now, think before you speak. This is all nonsense. If she has no assets, no cash, no income, you will never see that money again.
I am not trying to diminish her crime with the next questions, but I am curious about the answer. Is the Navy PTA/PTO strapped for cash? Are the children suffering gravely because she stole the cash? Would anyone have ever noticed had she not been caught?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: November 15, 2007 12:04PM
tiredofnavy Wrote:
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> Jester Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Very simple, Lien on her accounts so if she
> ever
> > opens ANY account the money immediately
> recouped
> > by the lawyer with interest. She'll never be
> able
> > to pay the interest back and the lawyer will
> have
> > a cash cow forever!
>
> You need to know where she opens an account in
> order to place a lien on it. That requires
> constant monitoring and/or inquiries to enforce
> your judgement. And if she knew that every time
> you deposited money into a bank it would be taken,
> would she open an account?
Maybe 2 years ago.
The new banking computer systems (BASC for one) put your claims to shame. "Enter once, collect forever."
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> Jester Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Very simple, Lien on her accounts so if she
> ever
> > opens ANY account the money immediately
> recouped
> > by the lawyer with interest. She'll never be
> able
> > to pay the interest back and the lawyer will
> have
> > a cash cow forever!
>
> You need to know where she opens an account in
> order to place a lien on it. That requires
> constant monitoring and/or inquiries to enforce
> your judgement. And if she knew that every time
> you deposited money into a bank it would be taken,
> would she open an account?
Maybe 2 years ago.
The new banking computer systems (BASC for one) put your claims to shame. "Enter once, collect forever."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
tiredofnavy
()
Date: November 15, 2007 01:01PM
Jester Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------->
> Maybe 2 years ago.
>
> The new banking computer systems (BASC for one)
> put your claims to shame. "Enter once, collect
> forever."
A bank cannot hand over money without being served with a valid notice of a lien. Plus, the lawyer needs to have a resonable basis for believing the debtor has an account at a certain bank.
Why would she open an account? Why not have her husband have a single account?
This is all academic anyway. Either they have a lawyer or they don't. Or, are they sitting on their hands the same way they sat on their hands when Mrs. Mattfeld ripped them off?
------------------------------------------------------->
> Maybe 2 years ago.
>
> The new banking computer systems (BASC for one)
> put your claims to shame. "Enter once, collect
> forever."
A bank cannot hand over money without being served with a valid notice of a lien. Plus, the lawyer needs to have a resonable basis for believing the debtor has an account at a certain bank.
Why would she open an account? Why not have her husband have a single account?
This is all academic anyway. Either they have a lawyer or they don't. Or, are they sitting on their hands the same way they sat on their hands when Mrs. Mattfeld ripped them off?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
Accountability People!!!
()
Date: November 15, 2007 01:04PM
tiredofnavy Wrote:
> It is not just about being held accountable, I
> believe she should be, but your pollyanic ideas
> are out of tough with reality. In two recent high
> profile embezzlement cases in this county, the
> defendents were sentenced to or served less than
> four months for embezzling funds in excess of what
> Ms. Mattfeld took. When those convicted of
> sexual assault, assault and battery, robbery, and
> burglary are serving less than a year, your
> expectations are too high if you think she will
> get hard jail time. My initial point is that you
> people think you are better than and deserve more
> than any other victim of crime. The incumbent
> party just won the Commonwealth Attorney's job in
> this county. The new CA was a prosecutor in the
> former CAs office. If you wanted a stiffer
> sentence, you wouldn't have voted the status quo.
How the hell do you know how I voted??? By the way, it was NOT for the status quo. Too bad.....my polyanic ideas SHOULD be reality for all the victims and criminals mentioned above.
No one on this forum, but you, said anyone is better or worse than anyone else. All victims deserve that their preditor be held accountable. The criminals you mentioned above ...ALL OF THEM... should be prosecuted to the fullest extent and not let off with so much as a slap on the wrist. (That is the problem!!!) Perhaps if our criminal system enforced the laws to their fullest extent, there would be fewer of the crimes you mentioned above...including embezzlement. The laws and associated penalties are there ... use them! Why do you think people like Litsa continue to do what she is accused of doing? Because she continues to get away with it, that's why. Based on the posts from the people who worked "directly" with Litsa, this is the SECOND time she has STOLEN money from unsuspecting organizations. This time it happened to be a school that educates children.
These criminals are all bad people who should be put away for a long time. Long enough to think twice the next time. If they get caught again, put them under the jail.
Multiple wrongs do not make right. You can't justify, in any way, why Litsa should not be held 'fully' accountable, just because other criminals were not. THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN !!!
Even more of a travesty is the lesson she is teaching her children and the message it will send to everyone elses children if she gets off with a slap on the wrist.
> It is not just about being held accountable, I
> believe she should be, but your pollyanic ideas
> are out of tough with reality. In two recent high
> profile embezzlement cases in this county, the
> defendents were sentenced to or served less than
> four months for embezzling funds in excess of what
> Ms. Mattfeld took. When those convicted of
> sexual assault, assault and battery, robbery, and
> burglary are serving less than a year, your
> expectations are too high if you think she will
> get hard jail time. My initial point is that you
> people think you are better than and deserve more
> than any other victim of crime. The incumbent
> party just won the Commonwealth Attorney's job in
> this county. The new CA was a prosecutor in the
> former CAs office. If you wanted a stiffer
> sentence, you wouldn't have voted the status quo.
How the hell do you know how I voted??? By the way, it was NOT for the status quo. Too bad.....my polyanic ideas SHOULD be reality for all the victims and criminals mentioned above.
No one on this forum, but you, said anyone is better or worse than anyone else. All victims deserve that their preditor be held accountable. The criminals you mentioned above ...ALL OF THEM... should be prosecuted to the fullest extent and not let off with so much as a slap on the wrist. (That is the problem!!!) Perhaps if our criminal system enforced the laws to their fullest extent, there would be fewer of the crimes you mentioned above...including embezzlement. The laws and associated penalties are there ... use them! Why do you think people like Litsa continue to do what she is accused of doing? Because she continues to get away with it, that's why. Based on the posts from the people who worked "directly" with Litsa, this is the SECOND time she has STOLEN money from unsuspecting organizations. This time it happened to be a school that educates children.
These criminals are all bad people who should be put away for a long time. Long enough to think twice the next time. If they get caught again, put them under the jail.
Multiple wrongs do not make right. You can't justify, in any way, why Litsa should not be held 'fully' accountable, just because other criminals were not. THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN !!!
Even more of a travesty is the lesson she is teaching her children and the message it will send to everyone elses children if she gets off with a slap on the wrist.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: November 15, 2007 01:15PM
Accountability People!!! Wrote:
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All victims
> deserve that their preditor be held accountable.
> The criminals you mentioned above ...ALL OF
> THEM... should be prosecuted to the fullest extent
> and not let off with so much as a slap on the
> wrist. (That is the problem!!!) Perhaps if our
> criminal system enforced the laws to their fullest
> extent, there would be fewer of the crimes you
> mentioned above...including embezzlement.
Let's see. Put an embezzler in an overcrowded prison for five years. Who should we release early? A rapist? A child molester? A crack dealer? A member of MS-13?
Sorry, but not all crimes should be prosecuted to their fullest extent given the realities of our prison system.
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All victims
> deserve that their preditor be held accountable.
> The criminals you mentioned above ...ALL OF
> THEM... should be prosecuted to the fullest extent
> and not let off with so much as a slap on the
> wrist. (That is the problem!!!) Perhaps if our
> criminal system enforced the laws to their fullest
> extent, there would be fewer of the crimes you
> mentioned above...including embezzlement.
Let's see. Put an embezzler in an overcrowded prison for five years. Who should we release early? A rapist? A child molester? A crack dealer? A member of MS-13?
Sorry, but not all crimes should be prosecuted to their fullest extent given the realities of our prison system.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
Accountability People!!!
()
Date: November 15, 2007 01:57PM
Enforce the laws and build more prisons until people get the message that those kind of crimes won't be tolerated.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: November 15, 2007 02:49PM
Accountability People!!! Wrote:
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> Enforce the laws and build more prisons until
> people get the message that those kind of crimes
> won't be tolerated.
Can I increase you taxes to pay for the prisons?
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> Enforce the laws and build more prisons until
> people get the message that those kind of crimes
> won't be tolerated.
Can I increase you taxes to pay for the prisons?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
tiredofnavy
()
Date: November 15, 2007 04:27PM
Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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> Can I increase you taxes to pay for the prisons?
We don't need to increase taxes, we can just spend less on public education. It would be ironic to take the money from the schools in order to put a woman who stole from a school behind bars.
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> Can I increase you taxes to pay for the prisons?
We don't need to increase taxes, we can just spend less on public education. It would be ironic to take the money from the schools in order to put a woman who stole from a school behind bars.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
AG
()
Date: November 15, 2007 04:47PM
Take the money used to provide services to illegal aliens in this county and direct that towards building more prisons. That should cover some of it.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: November 20, 2007 08:48AM
Does anyone know where and when Litsa will be spending the Navy Vale kids money to buy her Thanksgiving feast?
I want to get to the store before she cleans it out.
Is she staying local or taking some fancy vacation? Must be nice to spend money like she does.
I want to get to the store before she cleans it out.
Is she staying local or taking some fancy vacation? Must be nice to spend money like she does.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: November 20, 2007 09:11AM
Jester Wrote:
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> Does anyone know where and when Litsa will be
> spending the Navy Vale kids money to buy her
> Thanksgiving feast?
>
> I want to get to the store before she cleans it
> out.
>
> Is she staying local or taking some fancy
> vacation? Must be nice to spend money like she
> does.
Taco Bell. Lots and lots of Taco Bell.
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> Does anyone know where and when Litsa will be
> spending the Navy Vale kids money to buy her
> Thanksgiving feast?
>
> I want to get to the store before she cleans it
> out.
>
> Is she staying local or taking some fancy
> vacation? Must be nice to spend money like she
> does.
Taco Bell. Lots and lots of Taco Bell.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
The TRUTH!!
()
Date: November 24, 2007 07:08PM
> I am not trying to diminish her crime with the
> next questions, but I am curious about the answer.
> Is the Navy PTA/PTO strapped for cash? Are the
> children suffering gravely because she stole the
> cash? Would anyone have ever noticed had she not
> been caught?
She was caught! Committed a white collar crime! Deserves everything she gets. Rich school or Poor school, doesn't make a difference. Why not seek the lost money?????? Because the don't need the money????? Very Polyianna. Kind of the like the company she embezzled from, they have plenty more funds to collect to replace her embezzlement habits. (sarcasm!) Very liberal! Hope you believe she will never do it again too!
> next questions, but I am curious about the answer.
> Is the Navy PTA/PTO strapped for cash? Are the
> children suffering gravely because she stole the
> cash? Would anyone have ever noticed had she not
> been caught?
She was caught! Committed a white collar crime! Deserves everything she gets. Rich school or Poor school, doesn't make a difference. Why not seek the lost money?????? Because the don't need the money????? Very Polyianna. Kind of the like the company she embezzled from, they have plenty more funds to collect to replace her embezzlement habits. (sarcasm!) Very liberal! Hope you believe she will never do it again too!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: November 25, 2007 12:07PM
i heard she used the money as a bribe to get the high schools redistricted so her house would be worth more.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker
()
Date: November 25, 2007 07:24PM
Gravis Wrote:
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> i heard she used the money as a bribe to get the
> high schools redistricted so her house would be
> worth more.
Now THAT was funny!
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> i heard she used the money as a bribe to get the
> high schools redistricted so her house would be
> worth more.
Now THAT was funny!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
FairOaksMom
()
Date: December 07, 2007 04:22PM
1 month from today and she goes to court
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: December 08, 2007 09:38AM
FairOaksMom Wrote:
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> 1 month from today and she goes to court
You folks are in for the letdown of your lives. I wish you luck.
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> 1 month from today and she goes to court
You folks are in for the letdown of your lives. I wish you luck.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
PhilLesh
()
Date: December 10, 2007 02:34AM
Lurker. Wrote:
>
> Welcome to FFX County. Maybe she should run for
> Congress, she has the same ideas.
>
> I still can't believe she got away with stealing
> that large of an amount of money. Doesn't the
> county audit PTA's books?
See, when they write a story about someone embezzling funds, that usually means they did not get away with it.
>
> Welcome to FFX County. Maybe she should run for
> Congress, she has the same ideas.
>
> I still can't believe she got away with stealing
> that large of an amount of money. Doesn't the
> county audit PTA's books?
See, when they write a story about someone embezzling funds, that usually means they did not get away with it.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
PhilLesh
()
Date: December 10, 2007 02:37AM
> > I am not trying to diminish her crime with the
> > next questions, but I am curious about the
> answer.
> > Is the Navy PTA/PTO strapped for cash? Are the
> > children suffering gravely because she stole
> the
> > cash? Would anyone have ever noticed had she
> not
> > been caught?
>
Or, would she have been caught if nobody had never noticed?
duh. If she wasn't caught, that MEANS that nobody noticed.
> > next questions, but I am curious about the
> answer.
> > Is the Navy PTA/PTO strapped for cash? Are the
> > children suffering gravely because she stole
> the
> > cash? Would anyone have ever noticed had she
> not
> > been caught?
>
Or, would she have been caught if nobody had never noticed?
duh. If she wasn't caught, that MEANS that nobody noticed.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000\ New Washington Post Article
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: December 10, 2007 08:49AM
PhilLesh Wrote:
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Would anyone have ever noticed had she
> > not
> > > been caught?
> >
>
> Or, would she have been caught if nobody had never
> noticed?
>
> duh. If she wasn't caught, that MEANS that nobody
> noticed.
She was caught, actually it was Litsa stupidity herself who gave it away by being so greedy.
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Would anyone have ever noticed had she
> > not
> > > been caught?
> >
>
> Or, would she have been caught if nobody had never
> noticed?
>
> duh. If she wasn't caught, that MEANS that nobody
> noticed.
She was caught, actually it was Litsa stupidity herself who gave it away by being so greedy.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TRUTH
()
Date: December 13, 2007 01:55PM
Check out The Washington Post, front page Style section, article on white collar crime and fraud. I can only hope with the high profile water collar crimes surfacing a true sentence will be awarded Mrs. Mattfeld. Read up Mrs. Mattfeld. Whole article pretty much applies to YOU!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Dirtyharry
()
Date: December 13, 2007 02:40PM
I bet she gets four years.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
counting down
()
Date: December 15, 2007 07:18PM
January 7th 2008.
Only 23 days left.................
Only 23 days left.................
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
walk the dog
()
Date: December 15, 2007 09:47PM
litsa hubby had the dog out for a nice long walk today along the FFC parkway. They really lokoed like they were enjoying thier time together without Litsa the Embezzler near by.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
angry taxpayer
()
Date: December 15, 2007 11:50PM
Lisa is such a loser that despite stealing from her former employer, an invalid "friend" and the PTA, she does not even own her own home. She is though a piece of work! She really really really does not think she did anything wrong and continues to seek out opportunities to sit on community boards. I truly hope this never comes to fruition. I welcome the day she does go to court and the courtroom is filled with the people she lied to and violated.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: December 16, 2007 07:36AM
Dirtyharry Wrote:
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> I bet she gets four years.
Michael Vick had an illegal gambling ring, lied to officials and killed dogs and got 23 months. Litsa won't see one day in jail.
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> I bet she gets four years.
Michael Vick had an illegal gambling ring, lied to officials and killed dogs and got 23 months. Litsa won't see one day in jail.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: December 16, 2007 07:37AM
counting down Wrote:
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> January 7th 2008.
>
> Only 23 days left.................
...until your massive disappointment.
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> January 7th 2008.
>
> Only 23 days left.................
...until your massive disappointment.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: December 16, 2007 07:37AM
walk the dog Wrote:
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> litsa hubby had the dog out for a nice long walk
> today along the FFC parkway. They really lokoed
> like they were enjoying thier time together
> without Litsa the Embezzler near by.
You are reporting on Litsa's husband walking the dog. Whow is the head case now?
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> litsa hubby had the dog out for a nice long walk
> today along the FFC parkway. They really lokoed
> like they were enjoying thier time together
> without Litsa the Embezzler near by.
You are reporting on Litsa's husband walking the dog. Whow is the head case now?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
what is this
()
Date: December 16, 2007 09:16PM
THIS IS THE LAST POST ON THIS THREAD.
DON'T YOU PEOPLE HAVE SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR LIVES?????
GET A LIFE......ALL YOU YOUNG PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE OUT HAVING FUN.
WHAT LOSERS!!!
Attachments:
DON'T YOU PEOPLE HAVE SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR LIVES?????
GET A LIFE......ALL YOU YOUNG PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE OUT HAVING FUN.
WHAT LOSERS!!!
Attachments:
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Nice try
()
Date: December 18, 2007 11:20PM
what is this Wrote:
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> THIS IS THE LAST POST ON THIS THREAD.
>
> DON'T YOU PEOPLE HAVE SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH
> YOUR LIVES?????
>
> GET A LIFE......ALL YOU YOUNG PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE
> OUT HAVING FUN.
>
> WHAT LOSERS!!!
Nice try Litsa..............we are NOT going away. We are going to keep at this so you maybe get the message that what you did was WRONG! and we would like to see you have consequences for your dispicable behavior.
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> THIS IS THE LAST POST ON THIS THREAD.
>
> DON'T YOU PEOPLE HAVE SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH
> YOUR LIVES?????
>
> GET A LIFE......ALL YOU YOUNG PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE
> OUT HAVING FUN.
>
> WHAT LOSERS!!!
Nice try Litsa..............we are NOT going away. We are going to keep at this so you maybe get the message that what you did was WRONG! and we would like to see you have consequences for your dispicable behavior.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
HaHa
()
Date: December 27, 2007 10:52AM
The below post is from the "Centreville" thread. And you jokers think Litsa will get a stiff sentence when this murderer got 3 years. Keep dreaming. Hope y'all had a nic Christmas dreaming of Litsa in prison, cause that is close as you'll get.
------
From "Centreview" 12/20/07
Three Years Prison for Child's Death
By Bonnie Hobbs
December 20, 2007
If she'd lived, Crissmis Noelle Reese Jones would be enjoying all the Christmas lights and looking forward to celebrating her second birthday on Dec. 30.
But she was never given the chance. Instead, as a newborn infant, she was beaten so brutally inside her Centreville home that she died at just five days old. And last Friday in Fairfax County Circuit Court, her 40-year-old grandmother, Heather Tracie Thomas, was sentenced to three years in prison for the crime.
I find this kind of thing so repulsive mainly because this murdering trash is practically getting off the hook for killing a 5 day old infant. This c--- does not deserve to live at all, I hope she gets killed in jail. Our justice system is soooo f---ed up that a decent man (ie: Vice Principal Cub Run Elementary) growing pot in his closet at home for self consumption has his life ruined yet this embarrassment to humanity will in 3 years be back in her gov't subsidized home in shitty Londontown drinking beer, swearing, beating children and babies, whoring herself and generally being another white trash piece of shit from Centreville. I wish she were in China, they'd cap her ass then send her family a bill for the bullet.
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From "Centreview" 12/20/07
Three Years Prison for Child's Death
By Bonnie Hobbs
December 20, 2007
If she'd lived, Crissmis Noelle Reese Jones would be enjoying all the Christmas lights and looking forward to celebrating her second birthday on Dec. 30.
But she was never given the chance. Instead, as a newborn infant, she was beaten so brutally inside her Centreville home that she died at just five days old. And last Friday in Fairfax County Circuit Court, her 40-year-old grandmother, Heather Tracie Thomas, was sentenced to three years in prison for the crime.
I find this kind of thing so repulsive mainly because this murdering trash is practically getting off the hook for killing a 5 day old infant. This c--- does not deserve to live at all, I hope she gets killed in jail. Our justice system is soooo f---ed up that a decent man (ie: Vice Principal Cub Run Elementary) growing pot in his closet at home for self consumption has his life ruined yet this embarrassment to humanity will in 3 years be back in her gov't subsidized home in shitty Londontown drinking beer, swearing, beating children and babies, whoring herself and generally being another white trash piece of shit from Centreville. I wish she were in China, they'd cap her ass then send her family a bill for the bullet.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
fcps parent
()
Date: December 29, 2007 07:02AM
don't forget to show up at litsa's hearing on the 7th!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: December 29, 2007 09:53AM
fcps parent Wrote:
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> don't forget to show up at litsa's hearing on the
> 7th!
I'm just waiting for the angry vitriol that will come spewing out afterward. Heh.
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> don't forget to show up at litsa's hearing on the
> 7th!
I'm just waiting for the angry vitriol that will come spewing out afterward. Heh.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: December 29, 2007 01:59PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> I'm just waiting for the angry vitriol that will
> come spewing out afterward. Heh.
you are not using "vitriol" properly, try again.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> I'm just waiting for the angry vitriol that will
> come spewing out afterward. Heh.
you are not using "vitriol" properly, try again.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: December 29, 2007 03:40PM
Gravis Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm just waiting for the angry vitriol that
> will
> > come spewing out afterward. Heh.
>
> you are not using "vitriol" properly, try again.
vitriol
noun
1. (H2SO4) a highly corrosive acid made from sulfur dioxide; widely used in the chemical industry
2. abusive or venomous language used to express blame or censure or bitter deep-seated ill will
You were saying?
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm just waiting for the angry vitriol that
> will
> > come spewing out afterward. Heh.
>
> you are not using "vitriol" properly, try again.
vitriol
noun
1. (H2SO4) a highly corrosive acid made from sulfur dioxide; widely used in the chemical industry
2. abusive or venomous language used to express blame or censure or bitter deep-seated ill will
You were saying?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker
()
Date: December 29, 2007 04:45PM
Let us not forget that Litsa has a previous record of stealing and this is a very highly publicized trial. Judges don't want to seem weak in the public eye.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
fcps parent
()
Date: December 29, 2007 09:43PM
Lurker Wrote:
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> Let us not forget that Litsa has a previous record
> of stealing and this is a very highly publicized
> trial. Judges don't want to seem weak in the
> public eye.
and that is why people must show up at her hearing. the judge should know how angry the navy community is.
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> Let us not forget that Litsa has a previous record
> of stealing and this is a very highly publicized
> trial. Judges don't want to seem weak in the
> public eye.
and that is why people must show up at her hearing. the judge should know how angry the navy community is.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 01, 2008 10:10AM
fcps parent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lurker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Let us not forget that Litsa has a previous
> record
> > of stealing and this is a very highly
> publicized
> > trial. Judges don't want to seem weak in the
> > public eye.
>
>
> and that is why people must show up at her
> hearing. the judge should know how angry the navy
> community is.
Only a few more days before Litsa beats the rap.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lurker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Let us not forget that Litsa has a previous
> record
> > of stealing and this is a very highly
> publicized
> > trial. Judges don't want to seem weak in the
> > public eye.
>
>
> and that is why people must show up at her
> hearing. the judge should know how angry the navy
> community is.
Only a few more days before Litsa beats the rap.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker..
()
Date: January 01, 2008 02:54PM
The day of reckoning will soon be at hand.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 01, 2008 05:32PM
Litsa before the hearing...
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=944
Litsa after the hearing...
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=944
...Notice the difference? There won't be any.
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=944
Litsa after the hearing...
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=944
...Notice the difference? There won't be any.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
bender
()
Date: January 01, 2008 05:47PM
Where the money went
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
bender
()
Date: January 01, 2008 05:48PM
where it didnt go
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The Economist
()
Date: January 01, 2008 06:08PM
Navy Parent Wrote:
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> former navy mom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > according to the court website her attorney is
> > MICHAEL H CANTRELL
>
>
> He lives in Pender. Anyone know him?
Damn good lawyer
-------------------------------------------------------
> former navy mom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > according to the court website her attorney is
> > MICHAEL H CANTRELL
>
>
> He lives in Pender. Anyone know him?
Damn good lawyer
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
observation
()
Date: January 02, 2008 03:07PM
Court date is still set for January 7, 2008, 2:00 p.m., Fairfax Courts, court room 2F. Lets see what happens next.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Cynical Citizen
()
Date: January 03, 2008 03:08PM
A few people mentioned it when the story first broke, but somehow lost in the conversation over time was the fact that the real damage done by Litsa Mattfeld was to the community; Navy Elementary School's directly and Fairfax County's indirectly. Many in the local community believe that people with ties to Litsa Mattfeld inside and outside the PTO and Navy had knowledge of the ongoing embezzlement. These negative feelings are ingrained now.
The community closest to Navy is now polarized. Litsa Mattfeld and others like her are now being associated with toilet bowl scum and that message is being passed down to the students at Navy. A new slate of PTO officers, who supposedly actually count money now, cannot restore trust in the organization; too late for that. People will always give a little money for the PTO theme events, but not big donations.
Parents of elementary age children will not forget what happened throughout the coming years of Middle School and High School. The possibility exists for some real social ostracism to result from this whole thing, especially along neighborhood and "perceived" socio-economic lines.
Some of the forum comments have been quite comical and even entertaining. The ongoing damage to community relations that Lita Mattfeld caused won't be funny and it won't be going away anytime soon.
Cynicism wins.
The community closest to Navy is now polarized. Litsa Mattfeld and others like her are now being associated with toilet bowl scum and that message is being passed down to the students at Navy. A new slate of PTO officers, who supposedly actually count money now, cannot restore trust in the organization; too late for that. People will always give a little money for the PTO theme events, but not big donations.
Parents of elementary age children will not forget what happened throughout the coming years of Middle School and High School. The possibility exists for some real social ostracism to result from this whole thing, especially along neighborhood and "perceived" socio-economic lines.
Some of the forum comments have been quite comical and even entertaining. The ongoing damage to community relations that Lita Mattfeld caused won't be funny and it won't be going away anytime soon.
Cynicism wins.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: January 03, 2008 04:16PM
Some questions for Cynical Citizen and other members of the Navy PTA/PTO...
1. What PTA/PTO collects so damn much money that you don't notice $180K missing? What is the point of collecting those kinds of dollars? To help underprivileged kids, which are probably few and far between in your community? Or to show off how much money you have by writing Big Checks in front of your neighbors?
2. What kind of PTA/PTO collects that kind of money and then doesn't keep an eye on the people handling it? I assume, given the type of community you live in, the PTA/PTO must be swarming with CPAs, CFOs, etc. Was there a complete abdication of any responsibility on your part? Is that why you are so angry at Litsa, because she exposed you as being lax and inept?
3. Why the blood-lust for Litsa? Is it because she is obviously less-educated and comes from a much lower class than you, but she made all of you look like complete fools? Is that Litsa's real crime? Not so much that she allegedly stole $180K, but that she apparently made you look like such complete fools while doing it?
1. What PTA/PTO collects so damn much money that you don't notice $180K missing? What is the point of collecting those kinds of dollars? To help underprivileged kids, which are probably few and far between in your community? Or to show off how much money you have by writing Big Checks in front of your neighbors?
2. What kind of PTA/PTO collects that kind of money and then doesn't keep an eye on the people handling it? I assume, given the type of community you live in, the PTA/PTO must be swarming with CPAs, CFOs, etc. Was there a complete abdication of any responsibility on your part? Is that why you are so angry at Litsa, because she exposed you as being lax and inept?
3. Why the blood-lust for Litsa? Is it because she is obviously less-educated and comes from a much lower class than you, but she made all of you look like complete fools? Is that Litsa's real crime? Not so much that she allegedly stole $180K, but that she apparently made you look like such complete fools while doing it?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Update
()
Date: January 03, 2008 04:17PM
My wife just called me to inform me that my neighbor spoke with the Commonwealth Attorney's Office this morning. (neighbor is active in PTO) Apparently, Litsa and her attorney have reached an agreement with the prosecutor and will enter a guilty plea at her preliminary hearing next week. In return, Litsa will be sentenced to 1 year, be made to pay restitution, and be banned from handling any money for nonprofit orgs for the next 5 years. The prison sentence will be suspended if she sticks to her restitution payment plan. My wife told me the restitution plan is ridiculously light - something like $50/month or something paltry like that.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Mom2three
()
Date: January 03, 2008 04:24PM
Update Wrote:
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> My wife just called me to inform me that my
> neighbor spoke with the Commonwealth Attorney's
> Office this morning. (neighbor is active in PTO)
> Apparently, Litsa and her attorney have reached an
> agreement with the prosecutor and will enter a
> guilty plea at her preliminary hearing next week.
> In return, Litsa will be sentenced to 1 year, be
> made to pay restitution, and be banned from
> handling any money for nonprofit orgs for the next
> 5 years. The prison sentence will be suspended if
> she sticks to her restitution payment plan. My
> wife told me the restitution plan is ridiculously
> light - something like $50/month or something
> paltry like that.
>
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
I heard roughly the same thing. Seems to be the news spreading through the neighborhood this afternoon. Is there anything we can do to stop this? Can't a judge put an end to this by not accepting the plea deal?
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> My wife just called me to inform me that my
> neighbor spoke with the Commonwealth Attorney's
> Office this morning. (neighbor is active in PTO)
> Apparently, Litsa and her attorney have reached an
> agreement with the prosecutor and will enter a
> guilty plea at her preliminary hearing next week.
> In return, Litsa will be sentenced to 1 year, be
> made to pay restitution, and be banned from
> handling any money for nonprofit orgs for the next
> 5 years. The prison sentence will be suspended if
> she sticks to her restitution payment plan. My
> wife told me the restitution plan is ridiculously
> light - something like $50/month or something
> paltry like that.
>
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
I heard roughly the same thing. Seems to be the news spreading through the neighborhood this afternoon. Is there anything we can do to stop this? Can't a judge put an end to this by not accepting the plea deal?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
bender
()
Date: January 03, 2008 05:20PM
Why don't one of you call the commonwealth attorney and make your objections known. Since you come from a rich neighborhood it will carry much more weight than just an average citizen. Drop names of who you are and who you know, isn't that the way it is done?
What are the chances fatso will ever be able to pay back 180K anyway?
BTW a judge never has to accept the deal made by the commonwealth. He/She is not bound by any agreement. Sometimes it does happen that the judge will find the deal to be totally out of line with what should be done and impose serious time.
Stealing from kids at the tune of 180k should rate five years at least. The blimp needs to be taught a lesson. Also I am sorry but I tend to agree with Fairfax MF, who was watching to make sure the money was going where it was supposed to and what the hell were you people planning on spending 180k on a field trip to Tahiti?
What are the chances fatso will ever be able to pay back 180K anyway?
BTW a judge never has to accept the deal made by the commonwealth. He/She is not bound by any agreement. Sometimes it does happen that the judge will find the deal to be totally out of line with what should be done and impose serious time.
Stealing from kids at the tune of 180k should rate five years at least. The blimp needs to be taught a lesson. Also I am sorry but I tend to agree with Fairfax MF, who was watching to make sure the money was going where it was supposed to and what the hell were you people planning on spending 180k on a field trip to Tahiti?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
fed up
()
Date: January 03, 2008 06:06PM
Update Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> My wife just called me to inform me that my
> neighbor spoke with the Commonwealth Attorney's
> Office this morning. (neighbor is active in PTO)
> Apparently, Litsa and her attorney have reached an
> agreement with the prosecutor and will enter a
> guilty plea at her preliminary hearing next week.
> In return, Litsa will be sentenced to 1 year, be
> made to pay restitution, and be banned from
> handling any money for nonprofit orgs for the next
> 5 years. The prison sentence will be suspended if
> she sticks to her restitution payment plan. My
> wife told me the restitution plan is ridiculously
> light - something like $50/month or something
> paltry like that.
>
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
$50.00 a month? Well, poor Litsa has to make sure she can keep driving around in her Lexus, buying Hannah Montana tickets,all of her family wearing the newest UGG boots, highlighting her and her daughters hair monthly, buying her son a new car, getting her nails done and sitting around on her fat ass snickering at us all day long. Maybe it should be like $10.00 a month. Litsa.........get the hell out of here. You are a disgusting pig.
-------------------------------------------------------
> My wife just called me to inform me that my
> neighbor spoke with the Commonwealth Attorney's
> Office this morning. (neighbor is active in PTO)
> Apparently, Litsa and her attorney have reached an
> agreement with the prosecutor and will enter a
> guilty plea at her preliminary hearing next week.
> In return, Litsa will be sentenced to 1 year, be
> made to pay restitution, and be banned from
> handling any money for nonprofit orgs for the next
> 5 years. The prison sentence will be suspended if
> she sticks to her restitution payment plan. My
> wife told me the restitution plan is ridiculously
> light - something like $50/month or something
> paltry like that.
>
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
$50.00 a month? Well, poor Litsa has to make sure she can keep driving around in her Lexus, buying Hannah Montana tickets,all of her family wearing the newest UGG boots, highlighting her and her daughters hair monthly, buying her son a new car, getting her nails done and sitting around on her fat ass snickering at us all day long. Maybe it should be like $10.00 a month. Litsa.........get the hell out of here. You are a disgusting pig.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker..
()
Date: January 03, 2008 06:12PM
One year in jail with food? $50 dollar fine? Litsa only knows one thing... MONEY!
She should get one year in jail for stealing the money and have to pay the $180,000 back with INTEREST! Maybe double the amount she stole!
So basically the prosecutor is paying her $179,950 for stealing? Who the hell is proscecuter? Don't prosecutors have to graduate from some law school or pass a bar exam?
Maybe we should all start stealing from PTA's because FFX County allows that and it is very profitable.
Anybody know a PTA or PTO where I can sign up? An extra $179,950 in my bank account would be nice. Even if I buy a Lexus I can still have plenty for a down payment on a foreclosed house.
She should get one year in jail for stealing the money and have to pay the $180,000 back with INTEREST! Maybe double the amount she stole!
So basically the prosecutor is paying her $179,950 for stealing? Who the hell is proscecuter? Don't prosecutors have to graduate from some law school or pass a bar exam?
Maybe we should all start stealing from PTA's because FFX County allows that and it is very profitable.
Anybody know a PTA or PTO where I can sign up? An extra $179,950 in my bank account would be nice. Even if I buy a Lexus I can still have plenty for a down payment on a foreclosed house.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Another Lurker
()
Date: January 03, 2008 08:26PM
If it's really $50/month, that's less than the interest on $20,000 @ 3%/year. Pretty pathetic, and most certainly not any kind of deterrent message to anyone else -- "Steal money, save 10%, and if you get caught, just pay the fine off the interest from what you stashed!"
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Livid
()
Date: January 03, 2008 09:01PM
If this is true, it's horrible. Litsa should have to pay a minimum of $1,000 per month with interest until it's all paid off. My kids make more than $50 per month doing various jobs for family and neighbors. She needs to hurt financially.
For those of you asking how the PTA could miss over $180K. It's very easy when Litsa is the one who is collecting the money, pocketing her take, then reporting the rest to the membership. No one truly knew how much was really being made on various fund raisers. Now the real numbers are coming out.
I will be at the hearing on Monday and hope that she loudly states that she's guilty. I also hope her family is there to hear her and finally acknowlege her guilt. There is nothing worse in life than having to tell your children that you stole money and then lied to them.
Shame on you Litsa!
For those of you asking how the PTA could miss over $180K. It's very easy when Litsa is the one who is collecting the money, pocketing her take, then reporting the rest to the membership. No one truly knew how much was really being made on various fund raisers. Now the real numbers are coming out.
I will be at the hearing on Monday and hope that she loudly states that she's guilty. I also hope her family is there to hear her and finally acknowlege her guilt. There is nothing worse in life than having to tell your children that you stole money and then lied to them.
Shame on you Litsa!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
What?
()
Date: January 03, 2008 09:09PM
Back this disfunctional truck up. The light speed court system (NOT) is all going to work this case out on Monday? Last I checked this was a plea hearing, followed by possible case, depending on her plea, and then on to a JUDGE to decide her fate. No matter what deal they come up with a JUDGE has the final say. The State Attorney will RECOMMEND a sentence! You people have her out and singing zippy-do-dah, skipping next to her lexus, wearing ugg boots, holding a $1000.00 purse, drinking tea, with a trainer at her side checking blood pressure every mile or two, and speed dialing her next five star vacation! Get a grip! Its not OVER.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
SRE
()
Date: January 04, 2008 07:51AM
Lurker.. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> One year in jail with food? $50 dollar fine?
> Litsa only knows one thing... MONEY!
>
> She should get one year in jail for stealing the
> money and have to pay the $180,000 back with
> INTEREST! Maybe double the amount she stole!
>
> So basically the prosecutor is paying her $179,950
> for stealing? Who the hell is proscecuter? Don't
> prosecutors have to graduate from some law school
> or pass a bar exam?
>
> Maybe we should all start stealing from PTA's
> because FFX County allows that and it is very
> profitable.
>
> Anybody know a PTA or PTO where I can sign up? An
> extra $179,950 in my bank account would be nice.
> Even if I buy a Lexus I can still have plenty for
> a down payment on a foreclosed house.
Lurker....... re-read the thread, it is $50/month, not a $50 fine.
I agree with the others who say she should have to pay $1000 every month (or even more). Will any of us live long enough to see her pay off the $180,000 @ $50 a month? LOL
-------------------------------------------------------
> One year in jail with food? $50 dollar fine?
> Litsa only knows one thing... MONEY!
>
> She should get one year in jail for stealing the
> money and have to pay the $180,000 back with
> INTEREST! Maybe double the amount she stole!
>
> So basically the prosecutor is paying her $179,950
> for stealing? Who the hell is proscecuter? Don't
> prosecutors have to graduate from some law school
> or pass a bar exam?
>
> Maybe we should all start stealing from PTA's
> because FFX County allows that and it is very
> profitable.
>
> Anybody know a PTA or PTO where I can sign up? An
> extra $179,950 in my bank account would be nice.
> Even if I buy a Lexus I can still have plenty for
> a down payment on a foreclosed house.
Lurker....... re-read the thread, it is $50/month, not a $50 fine.
I agree with the others who say she should have to pay $1000 every month (or even more). Will any of us live long enough to see her pay off the $180,000 @ $50 a month? LOL
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Concerned Citizen
()
Date: January 04, 2008 03:36PM
Interesting plea deal. However, I didn't buy it so I myself called and spoke to the prosecutor.
No deal. No plea. No truth to the rumor.
Show up at 2PM Monday, January 7th, 2008. Court Room 2F.
The Navy Elementary Community has the opportunity to face the person who allegedly embezzled over 180K from the PTA. The judge will see a concerned and involved community. The alleged perpetrator will see she won't get away with this crime. Justice will prevail. Come and see for yourself.
No deal. No plea. No truth to the rumor.
Show up at 2PM Monday, January 7th, 2008. Court Room 2F.
The Navy Elementary Community has the opportunity to face the person who allegedly embezzled over 180K from the PTA. The judge will see a concerned and involved community. The alleged perpetrator will see she won't get away with this crime. Justice will prevail. Come and see for yourself.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To Concerned
()
Date: January 04, 2008 04:18PM
Dear Concerned,
Do you have the name and phone number of the prosecutor?
thanks,
Do you have the name and phone number of the prosecutor?
thanks,
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To Concerned
()
Date: January 04, 2008 04:29PM
Dear Concerned,
Did you speak with Kathy Stott?
She is the prosecutor....supposedly.
I called the attorney's office also (703-246-2776) , but she was not in.
Did you actually speak with her?
Thanks,
Did you speak with Kathy Stott?
She is the prosecutor....supposedly.
I called the attorney's office also (703-246-2776) , but she was not in.
Did you actually speak with her?
Thanks,
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Facts
()
Date: January 04, 2008 06:54PM
The purpose of this post is to squash any rumor……. THERE IS NO PLEA AGREEMENT ON SENTENCING OR RESTITUTION.
Based on a conversation I just had with the prosecutor’s office, here is a cryptic overview of the details as I understand them. Hopefully, this will put everyone's mind at ease and encourage the community to attend EACH of these hearings to show their concern.
On Monday, at the preliminary hearing, there will be numerous other cases besides the Mattfeld case. This hearing will take only a few minutes. At that time, the individual will have the opportunity to plead guilty to the two charges and waive their right to a trial. There is NO agreement of sentencing. If she pleads guilty to the two charges, the only agreement is that NO other charges will be brought. (The accused will have to get up and speak directly with the judge.)
On January 22 (most likely) there will be a convening of a Grand Jury. At that time the Detective from the Police Department will review the evidence with the Grand Jury. The Grand Jury will confirm that there is or is not probable cause and will make the decision to indict. (This is a check and balances step and is still required even after the plea and waiving of the trial is made.)
About 6 weeks later, depending on the schedule of the attorneys, (sometime in February / early March on a Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday at 10am) there will be a hearing for the "entry of the plea." The prosecutor and defense attorneys will have a chance to speak (proffer) on the case at that time. Wiki definition: To proffer (sometimes profer) means to offer evidence in support of an argument, or elements of an affirmative defense or offense, often at trial. A party with the burden of proof must proffer sufficient evidence to carry that burden. (The prosecutor has a good idea of how upset the community is and will not be surprised at the numbers who may show up for the hearings.)
The case will then be continued for another few weeks until the sentencing hearing....which will usually happen on a Friday. The SAME judge who heard the plea hearing will handle the sentencing hearing.
IN THE MEANTIME.....after the plea hearing....and before the sentencing hearing, the individual will be referred to the probation department. The probation department will complete a "PRE-SENTENCING REPORT." Information about the person's criminal history, living situation, health etc is reviewed and a report is drafted for the judge.
THIS IS THE TIME WHEN A "VICTIM IMPACT LETTER" CAN BE WRITTEN AND INCLUDED IN THE "PRESENTENCE REPORT WRITTEN BY THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT" for consideration by the judge during the sentencing hearing.
This report is given to the judge a week or more before the sentencing hearing.
It is important for those who were impacted (students, teachers, community, etc) to draft a written statement (VICTIM IMPACT LETTER) and MAKE SURE THE LETTER(S) ARE GIVEN TO THE APPROPRIATE PERSON IN THE PROBATION OFFICE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DRAFTING THE “PRE-SENTENCING REPORT” BEFORE the report is finalized and given to the judge.
Hope this helps everyone understand the process. Again….at this time there is NO agreement between the defense and the prosecution concerning sentencing or restitution. That is a RUMOR and is indeed, NOT TRUE.
Please attend the hearings and show your interest and concern.
Based on a conversation I just had with the prosecutor’s office, here is a cryptic overview of the details as I understand them. Hopefully, this will put everyone's mind at ease and encourage the community to attend EACH of these hearings to show their concern.
On Monday, at the preliminary hearing, there will be numerous other cases besides the Mattfeld case. This hearing will take only a few minutes. At that time, the individual will have the opportunity to plead guilty to the two charges and waive their right to a trial. There is NO agreement of sentencing. If she pleads guilty to the two charges, the only agreement is that NO other charges will be brought. (The accused will have to get up and speak directly with the judge.)
On January 22 (most likely) there will be a convening of a Grand Jury. At that time the Detective from the Police Department will review the evidence with the Grand Jury. The Grand Jury will confirm that there is or is not probable cause and will make the decision to indict. (This is a check and balances step and is still required even after the plea and waiving of the trial is made.)
About 6 weeks later, depending on the schedule of the attorneys, (sometime in February / early March on a Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday at 10am) there will be a hearing for the "entry of the plea." The prosecutor and defense attorneys will have a chance to speak (proffer) on the case at that time. Wiki definition: To proffer (sometimes profer) means to offer evidence in support of an argument, or elements of an affirmative defense or offense, often at trial. A party with the burden of proof must proffer sufficient evidence to carry that burden. (The prosecutor has a good idea of how upset the community is and will not be surprised at the numbers who may show up for the hearings.)
The case will then be continued for another few weeks until the sentencing hearing....which will usually happen on a Friday. The SAME judge who heard the plea hearing will handle the sentencing hearing.
IN THE MEANTIME.....after the plea hearing....and before the sentencing hearing, the individual will be referred to the probation department. The probation department will complete a "PRE-SENTENCING REPORT." Information about the person's criminal history, living situation, health etc is reviewed and a report is drafted for the judge.
THIS IS THE TIME WHEN A "VICTIM IMPACT LETTER" CAN BE WRITTEN AND INCLUDED IN THE "PRESENTENCE REPORT WRITTEN BY THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT" for consideration by the judge during the sentencing hearing.
This report is given to the judge a week or more before the sentencing hearing.
It is important for those who were impacted (students, teachers, community, etc) to draft a written statement (VICTIM IMPACT LETTER) and MAKE SURE THE LETTER(S) ARE GIVEN TO THE APPROPRIATE PERSON IN THE PROBATION OFFICE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DRAFTING THE “PRE-SENTENCING REPORT” BEFORE the report is finalized and given to the judge.
Hope this helps everyone understand the process. Again….at this time there is NO agreement between the defense and the prosecution concerning sentencing or restitution. That is a RUMOR and is indeed, NOT TRUE.
Please attend the hearings and show your interest and concern.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Concerned Citizen
()
Date: January 04, 2008 08:01PM
Thank you *Facts*. Your summary was exceptional. That is pretty much what the prosecutor told me as well. I think the prosecutor can count on seeing many concerned citizens at each court date.
The Victim Impact Letter(s) will be another important opportunity for the community to be heard. Start drafting them now!
See you all Monday at 2PM.
The Victim Impact Letter(s) will be another important opportunity for the community to be heard. Start drafting them now!
See you all Monday at 2PM.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Tricki
()
Date: January 05, 2008 03:50AM
This is cool. Thanks for the info. I'm not busy Monday. I might just attend just to see what this Litsa woman is like. Should be good for some entertainment.
I marked my calendar.
Trickie
I marked my calendar.
Trickie
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Reminder
()
Date: January 06, 2008 07:50PM
REMINDER:
2PM Monday, January 7th, 2008. Court Room 2F.
REMINDER:
2PM Monday, January 7th, 2008. Court Room 2F.
REMINDER:
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker..
()
Date: January 07, 2008 10:23AM
Please post details after the hearing
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
curious
()
Date: January 07, 2008 03:44PM
Does anyone have any info on how the hearing went this afternoon??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Bailiff
()
Date: January 07, 2008 04:12PM
Litsa is stuck in the door and nobody can get out of the court room. I'm posting from my Iphone.
John Q Public,
Court Bailiff
John Q Public,
Court Bailiff
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Doug
()
Date: January 07, 2008 04:25PM
I went to the hearing. For all the hubbaloo, barely anyone from the Navy community showed up. She plead not guilty. A trial date was set. But, both attorneys agreed not to set a date because the parties are attempting to work out a plea deal.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
public impact
()
Date: January 07, 2008 04:29PM
Doug Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I went to the hearing. For all the hubbaloo,
> barely anyone from the Navy community showed up.
> She plead not guilty. A trial date was set. But,
> both attorneys agreed not to set a date because
> the parties are attempting to work out a plea
> deal.
when is the trial and can the public write to attorney for the state about the public impact?
-------------------------------------------------------
> I went to the hearing. For all the hubbaloo,
> barely anyone from the Navy community showed up.
> She plead not guilty. A trial date was set. But,
> both attorneys agreed not to set a date because
> the parties are attempting to work out a plea
> deal.
when is the trial and can the public write to attorney for the state about the public impact?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Doug
()
Date: January 07, 2008 04:36PM
public impact Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> when is the trial and can the public write to
> attorney for the state about the public impact?
My understanding is that there might not be a trial if they reach a deal. I assume the public impact statement will come into play at sentencing, which would be after a plea bargain is reached. All in all, I was VERY disappointed to see the lack of interest by the Navy Community. Particularly after all the hububb on this board. You all should be very ashamed. I understand if you had work or other committments, but many promised and swore they would attend. Attendance was pathetic!
-------------------------------------------------------
> when is the trial and can the public write to
> attorney for the state about the public impact?
My understanding is that there might not be a trial if they reach a deal. I assume the public impact statement will come into play at sentencing, which would be after a plea bargain is reached. All in all, I was VERY disappointed to see the lack of interest by the Navy Community. Particularly after all the hububb on this board. You all should be very ashamed. I understand if you had work or other committments, but many promised and swore they would attend. Attendance was pathetic!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
huh?
()
Date: January 07, 2008 04:44PM
Doug Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I went to the hearing. For all the hubbaloo,
> barely anyone from the Navy community showed up.
> She plead not guilty. A trial date was set. But,
> both attorneys agreed not to set a date because
> the parties are attempting to work out a plea
> deal.
Not guilty but she is working on a plea? Our justice system and of course Litsa is so pathetic. Tell me though, what difference would it have made if a thousand people were there? A plea is a plea. How many people are there would have meant nothing. At a sentencing hearing though, that possibly could be a different story.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I went to the hearing. For all the hubbaloo,
> barely anyone from the Navy community showed up.
> She plead not guilty. A trial date was set. But,
> both attorneys agreed not to set a date because
> the parties are attempting to work out a plea
> deal.
Not guilty but she is working on a plea? Our justice system and of course Litsa is so pathetic. Tell me though, what difference would it have made if a thousand people were there? A plea is a plea. How many people are there would have meant nothing. At a sentencing hearing though, that possibly could be a different story.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Ship Wreck
()
Date: January 07, 2008 05:25PM
The next step is voicing an opinion to the judge assigned the case at sentencing. *Facts* said it best. Great information, thank you facts. For many of us in the community this is our first time learning the justice system in detail.
As for why the Navy Community did not show up? We were basically advised by the state attorney's office not too. It was a plea hearing. Trial and sentencing hearing is another story.
I do think it will help to let the state attorney know we will accept nothing less than Jail time, repayment (no matter how small a month), and TWO felony charges. No house arrest. She is basically on house arrest tapping away on a lap top one of the three community organization paid for. Sorry Litsa, criminals with medical problems can go to jail. Tell it to the few clueless friends you have left.
The justice system moves slow. Stay educated!
As for why the Navy Community did not show up? We were basically advised by the state attorney's office not too. It was a plea hearing. Trial and sentencing hearing is another story.
I do think it will help to let the state attorney know we will accept nothing less than Jail time, repayment (no matter how small a month), and TWO felony charges. No house arrest. She is basically on house arrest tapping away on a lap top one of the three community organization paid for. Sorry Litsa, criminals with medical problems can go to jail. Tell it to the few clueless friends you have left.
The justice system moves slow. Stay educated!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Facts
()
Date: January 07, 2008 08:59PM
All that happened today was that the defendant "waived her right" to a preliminary hearing. This would have been the hearing to determine "probable cause." The whole thing took less than 2 minutes.
By waiving this right, the defendant's case is automatically being sent to Circuit Court and the Grand Jury without this hearing (Why....because there most likely exists enough evidence for probable cause.) The Grand Jury is a group of five to seven citizens, selected by the Circuit Court judges, whose duty is the hear the Commonwealth’s evidence in criminal cases and decide if a trial should take place in the Circuit Court. Decisions are made by majority vote. The only person who testifies before the Grand Jury is the law enforcement officer involved in the case.
The Grand Jury will hear the evidence from the detective and will decide to charge or not. Based on the evidence, they will likely do so.
The next court date is January 23. (mark your calendars)
Following this, if the defendant decides to plea bargain, there will be a hearing to "enter the plea." This will be sometime after January 23.
After the "plea is entered" the defendants situation is reviewed by the probation department and a report generated for the judge to consider at the sentencing hearing. This is the time for the "victim's" (school, teachers, students, families, citizens, members of the PTA and PTO.....etc) in the case to draft a victim impact letter. This letter should be sent to the prosecutor and will be forwarded to the probation office for inclusion in the report to be given to the judge."
After the "plea hearing" the sentencing hearing is scheduled. The same judge hears the case, the plea, and sentencing hearings.
Again....there is no plea agreement between the prosecutor and defendant regarding sentencing or restitution at this time. The prosecutor is well aware of the concern the community has on this issue and will act accordingly. Any rumors you are hearing otherwise are false.
By waiving this right, the defendant's case is automatically being sent to Circuit Court and the Grand Jury without this hearing (Why....because there most likely exists enough evidence for probable cause.) The Grand Jury is a group of five to seven citizens, selected by the Circuit Court judges, whose duty is the hear the Commonwealth’s evidence in criminal cases and decide if a trial should take place in the Circuit Court. Decisions are made by majority vote. The only person who testifies before the Grand Jury is the law enforcement officer involved in the case.
The Grand Jury will hear the evidence from the detective and will decide to charge or not. Based on the evidence, they will likely do so.
The next court date is January 23. (mark your calendars)
Following this, if the defendant decides to plea bargain, there will be a hearing to "enter the plea." This will be sometime after January 23.
After the "plea is entered" the defendants situation is reviewed by the probation department and a report generated for the judge to consider at the sentencing hearing. This is the time for the "victim's" (school, teachers, students, families, citizens, members of the PTA and PTO.....etc) in the case to draft a victim impact letter. This letter should be sent to the prosecutor and will be forwarded to the probation office for inclusion in the report to be given to the judge."
After the "plea hearing" the sentencing hearing is scheduled. The same judge hears the case, the plea, and sentencing hearings.
Again....there is no plea agreement between the prosecutor and defendant regarding sentencing or restitution at this time. The prosecutor is well aware of the concern the community has on this issue and will act accordingly. Any rumors you are hearing otherwise are false.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To Doug
()
Date: January 07, 2008 09:35PM
Doug Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I went to the hearing. For all the hubbaloo,
> barely anyone from the Navy community showed up.
> She plead not guilty. A trial date was set. But,
> both attorneys agreed not to set a date because
> the parties are attempting to work out a plea
> deal.
Reply back to Doug:
Doug,
Unless I missed something today, I did not hear your wife say "Not Guilty." Today was not the hearing where any plea was made. Today was the preliminary hearing, which your wife waived her right to. The case now goes to the Circuit Court and the Grand Jury.
Are you trying to confuse the readers of this forum who were working and unable to attend the hearing?
Your following comments, copied from above, don't make any sense: "A trial date was set. But, both attorneys agreed not to set a date because the parties are attempting to work out a plea deal."
The next court date was, indeed, set in court today. The next court date is scheduled for January 23. (everyone mark your calendars.)
Why would your wife make a plea deal if she 'really' was not guilty? hmmmmmmm, I wonder !!!
Your wife needs to realize that stealing $180,000 + (no telling how much cash) from the PTA, its school, teachers, children, and community is wrong. When the community found out that this was not her first time embezzling, thanks to her previous co-workers coming forward, that is what really incensed most people. She should be punished and ordered to pay restitution for her crime. Perhaps this will finally teach her a lesson that stealing is wrong. Stealing $180,000 will get you in big trouble.
There are plenty of people who really have difficult circumstances, have lost their jobs, been laid off, have hard times and still don't steal. My biggest concern is the message this is sending your children. This whole situation is so very sad for everyone. The devistation and broken trust left by this sad situation will take a long time to heal.
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> I went to the hearing. For all the hubbaloo,
> barely anyone from the Navy community showed up.
> She plead not guilty. A trial date was set. But,
> both attorneys agreed not to set a date because
> the parties are attempting to work out a plea
> deal.
Reply back to Doug:
Doug,
Unless I missed something today, I did not hear your wife say "Not Guilty." Today was not the hearing where any plea was made. Today was the preliminary hearing, which your wife waived her right to. The case now goes to the Circuit Court and the Grand Jury.
Are you trying to confuse the readers of this forum who were working and unable to attend the hearing?
Your following comments, copied from above, don't make any sense: "A trial date was set. But, both attorneys agreed not to set a date because the parties are attempting to work out a plea deal."
The next court date was, indeed, set in court today. The next court date is scheduled for January 23. (everyone mark your calendars.)
Why would your wife make a plea deal if she 'really' was not guilty? hmmmmmmm, I wonder !!!
Your wife needs to realize that stealing $180,000 + (no telling how much cash) from the PTA, its school, teachers, children, and community is wrong. When the community found out that this was not her first time embezzling, thanks to her previous co-workers coming forward, that is what really incensed most people. She should be punished and ordered to pay restitution for her crime. Perhaps this will finally teach her a lesson that stealing is wrong. Stealing $180,000 will get you in big trouble.
There are plenty of people who really have difficult circumstances, have lost their jobs, been laid off, have hard times and still don't steal. My biggest concern is the message this is sending your children. This whole situation is so very sad for everyone. The devistation and broken trust left by this sad situation will take a long time to heal.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 09, 2008 06:40PM
Litsa will cut a bullshit deal like you people are all worried about. Public outrage couldn't stop the school redistricting, which impacts a hell of a lot more people. Do you really think public outrage will influence the judge/prosecutor here? Simple answer...No.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
JLR
()
Date: January 09, 2008 09:50PM
I guess we'll all just have to attend the hearings and wait and see. The prosecutor was very informed, easy to speak to, very open to the concerns of the community affected, and well aware of the community outrage. I have the confidence that she will prosecute to the fullest extent possible. She is very professional, knowlegable and very much on top of her cases.
Navy PTO, previous PTA members, teachers, parents, and Navy Community Voices ... start drafting your "Victim Impact Letters" NOW. They should be sent to the prosecuting attorney's office: Attention: Kathy Stott.
Navy PTO, previous PTA members, teachers, parents, and Navy Community Voices ... start drafting your "Victim Impact Letters" NOW. They should be sent to the prosecuting attorney's office: Attention: Kathy Stott.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: January 10, 2008 09:58AM
JLR Wrote:
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> I guess we'll all just have to attend the hearings
> and wait and see. The prosecutor was very
> informed, easy to speak to, very open to the
> concerns of the community affected, and well aware
> of the community outrage. I have the confidence
> that she will prosecute to the fullest extent
> possible. She is very professional, knowlegable
> and very much on top of her cases.
>
> Navy PTO, previous PTA members, teachers, parents,
> and Navy Community Voices ... start drafting your
> "Victim Impact Letters" NOW. They should be sent
> to the prosecuting attorney's office: Attention:
> Kathy Stott.
That's all well and good. However, the Prosecutor has to weigh what she can get on Litsa if she successfully prosecutes the case and what would happen if she simply cut a plea deal. If she negotiates a plea deal, she knows she will have Litsa on something. If she takes it to trial, she could lose and Litsa could go free or if Litsa is convicted the judge/jury could still hand her basically the same sentence that would have resulted from the plea deal, except after a lot more time and expense.
The prosecutor - or any prosecutor - is more worried about MS-13, rapists, killers, car jackers, etc, than this kind of case.
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> I guess we'll all just have to attend the hearings
> and wait and see. The prosecutor was very
> informed, easy to speak to, very open to the
> concerns of the community affected, and well aware
> of the community outrage. I have the confidence
> that she will prosecute to the fullest extent
> possible. She is very professional, knowlegable
> and very much on top of her cases.
>
> Navy PTO, previous PTA members, teachers, parents,
> and Navy Community Voices ... start drafting your
> "Victim Impact Letters" NOW. They should be sent
> to the prosecuting attorney's office: Attention:
> Kathy Stott.
That's all well and good. However, the Prosecutor has to weigh what she can get on Litsa if she successfully prosecutes the case and what would happen if she simply cut a plea deal. If she negotiates a plea deal, she knows she will have Litsa on something. If she takes it to trial, she could lose and Litsa could go free or if Litsa is convicted the judge/jury could still hand her basically the same sentence that would have resulted from the plea deal, except after a lot more time and expense.
The prosecutor - or any prosecutor - is more worried about MS-13, rapists, killers, car jackers, etc, than this kind of case.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Twinkie
()
Date: January 10, 2008 10:35AM
Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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> The prosecutor - or any prosecutor - is more
> worried about MS-13, rapists, killers, car
> jackers, etc, than this kind of case.
After reading this thread, I don't know, an angry mob of Navy parents seems pretty worrisome.
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> The prosecutor - or any prosecutor - is more
> worried about MS-13, rapists, killers, car
> jackers, etc, than this kind of case.
After reading this thread, I don't know, an angry mob of Navy parents seems pretty worrisome.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: January 10, 2008 10:52AM
Twinkie Wrote:
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> Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The prosecutor - or any prosecutor - is more
> > worried about MS-13, rapists, killers, car
> > jackers, etc, than this kind of case.
>
>
> After reading this thread, I don't know, an angry
> mob of Navy parents seems pretty worrisome.
Doesn't sound like an angry mob bothered showing up at the hearing.
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> Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The prosecutor - or any prosecutor - is more
> > worried about MS-13, rapists, killers, car
> > jackers, etc, than this kind of case.
>
>
> After reading this thread, I don't know, an angry
> mob of Navy parents seems pretty worrisome.
Doesn't sound like an angry mob bothered showing up at the hearing.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Twinkie
()
Date: January 10, 2008 11:31AM
Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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> Doesn't sound like an angry mob bothered showing
> up at the hearing.
It was meant as sarcasm. I agree that this is a minor thing in comparison to the real violence in the county. A recent look at other ebezzlers indicates a lack of real prison time for most:
1. Fr. Salvator Ciullo, a priest of the Arlington, Va., diocese, received a five-year sentence for embezzling funds from two diocesan parishes, but the sentence was suspended on the condition the priest pay restitution and successfully complete two years of supervised probation. Ciullo, 71, has agreed to repay more than $1.1 million to the diocese.
2. Robert M. Short, 39, of Arlington admitted in April that in 2003 he had written checks to himself totaling $439,006 from the law firm of Trapeni, Romero & Morrison, where he was renting space, and that he deposited all but $3,000 in the trust account he used in his capacity as a lawyer. He also acknowledged illegally taking $63,709 that he had either gotten from clients as fees or received from people to be paid to clients. Fairfax Circuit Court Judge Leslie Alden in June sentenced Short to only four months in jail for the embezzlement. She also ordered him to make restitution of $245,000, at a rate of $50 a month.
I would also note that Mr. Short stole from people who probably felt the loss. Who at Navy actually "felt" the loss? Not the loss of trust, etc. BUt who couldn't put food on the table because of it? Whose kid is actually going to go through life less well off because of it. This woman MIGHT see a couple of months.
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> Doesn't sound like an angry mob bothered showing
> up at the hearing.
It was meant as sarcasm. I agree that this is a minor thing in comparison to the real violence in the county. A recent look at other ebezzlers indicates a lack of real prison time for most:
1. Fr. Salvator Ciullo, a priest of the Arlington, Va., diocese, received a five-year sentence for embezzling funds from two diocesan parishes, but the sentence was suspended on the condition the priest pay restitution and successfully complete two years of supervised probation. Ciullo, 71, has agreed to repay more than $1.1 million to the diocese.
2. Robert M. Short, 39, of Arlington admitted in April that in 2003 he had written checks to himself totaling $439,006 from the law firm of Trapeni, Romero & Morrison, where he was renting space, and that he deposited all but $3,000 in the trust account he used in his capacity as a lawyer. He also acknowledged illegally taking $63,709 that he had either gotten from clients as fees or received from people to be paid to clients. Fairfax Circuit Court Judge Leslie Alden in June sentenced Short to only four months in jail for the embezzlement. She also ordered him to make restitution of $245,000, at a rate of $50 a month.
I would also note that Mr. Short stole from people who probably felt the loss. Who at Navy actually "felt" the loss? Not the loss of trust, etc. BUt who couldn't put food on the table because of it? Whose kid is actually going to go through life less well off because of it. This woman MIGHT see a couple of months.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Twinkie
()
Date: January 10, 2008 11:32AM
By the way, does that $50 a month sound a little familiar???
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Concerned
()
Date: January 10, 2008 01:00PM
Yeah, after reading that, I don't see how Litsa gets any hard time. I mean, what kind of impact will victim statements have? It isn't like parents can quatify the loss.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: January 10, 2008 01:30PM
The above cases don't apply to Litsa as she has a previous proven record of embezzlement
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Twinkie
()
Date: January 10, 2008 01:39PM
Jester Wrote:
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> The above cases don't apply to Litsa as she has a
> previous proven record of embezzlement
Proven in a court of law?
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> The above cases don't apply to Litsa as she has a
> previous proven record of embezzlement
Proven in a court of law?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: January 10, 2008 01:48PM
Twinkie Wrote:
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> Jester Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The above cases don't apply to Litsa as she has
> a
> > previous proven record of embezzlement
>
>
> Proven in a court of law?
From what I have heard, the woman has never been convicted of anything. If that is the case, accusations of past behavior aren't going to prove anything.
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> Jester Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The above cases don't apply to Litsa as she has
> a
> > previous proven record of embezzlement
>
>
> Proven in a court of law?
From what I have heard, the woman has never been convicted of anything. If that is the case, accusations of past behavior aren't going to prove anything.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Plea = Guilty
()
Date: January 11, 2008 11:04PM
She will do her best to cut a plea because the evidence collected shows she is guilty of embezzling $180,000. That is what could be identified by the checks she wrote. Imagine how much cash was taken that can't be traced. She was also involved in handling money for Chantilly Youth Association and Chantilly High School Boosters. She is a professional who puts herself in the best position possible to steal. She will get what is coming to her.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 12, 2008 08:16AM
Plea = Guilty Wrote:
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She is a professional who puts herself
> in the best position possible to steal. She will
> get what is coming to her.
If what you say is true, she apparently has gotten away with this for 20-some years. What makes you think she won't get away with it now?
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She is a professional who puts herself
> in the best position possible to steal. She will
> get what is coming to her.
If what you say is true, she apparently has gotten away with this for 20-some years. What makes you think she won't get away with it now?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Twinkie
()
Date: January 14, 2008 10:52AM
Plea = Guilty Wrote:
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She will get what is coming to her.
Probably about an par with the people mentioned above who stole less. So, a couple of months, maybe house arrest, maybe probation.
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She will get what is coming to her.
Probably about an par with the people mentioned above who stole less. So, a couple of months, maybe house arrest, maybe probation.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
miley
()
Date: January 14, 2008 11:31AM
I sure glad she was able to "score" tickets to a sold out Hannah Montana concert. It is nice to know that is where all my money is going to. I am sure glad I bought all the christmas wrapping paper and Navy apparel for my 'Kids" benefit... yea right.
Litsa maybe you can post pictures from the concert so those of us less fortunate can see what our money went for.
Thanks
Navy Parent
Litsa maybe you can post pictures from the concert so those of us less fortunate can see what our money went for.
Thanks
Navy Parent
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Litsa
()
Date: January 14, 2008 11:37AM
miley Wrote:
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> I sure glad she was able to "score" tickets to a
> sold out Hannah Montana concert. It is nice to
> know that is where all my money is going to. I am
> sure glad I bought all the christmas wrapping
> paper and Navy apparel for my 'Kids" benefit...
> yea right.
>
> Litsa maybe you can post pictures from the concert
> so those of us less fortunate can see what our
> money went for.
>
> Thanks
>
> Navy Parent
It was Great! We bought tickets in the first row from scalpers! Thanks for asking! Too bad you couldn't make it. Maybe next time.
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> I sure glad she was able to "score" tickets to a
> sold out Hannah Montana concert. It is nice to
> know that is where all my money is going to. I am
> sure glad I bought all the christmas wrapping
> paper and Navy apparel for my 'Kids" benefit...
> yea right.
>
> Litsa maybe you can post pictures from the concert
> so those of us less fortunate can see what our
> money went for.
>
> Thanks
>
> Navy Parent
It was Great! We bought tickets in the first row from scalpers! Thanks for asking! Too bad you couldn't make it. Maybe next time.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Rod
()
Date: January 14, 2008 11:41AM
It's interesting that this was a PTA. The new orginization was a PTO which I understand are more responsive to parents. -Rod
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: January 14, 2008 03:24PM
Rod Wrote:
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> It's interesting that this was a PTA. The new
> orginization was a PTO which I understand are
> more responsive to parents. -Rod
As a PTA, it was part of a national 501c3 organization and should have had some oversight. As a PTO, it is basically on its own so embezzlement should be easier given how poorly these people supervised the PTA.
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> It's interesting that this was a PTA. The new
> orginization was a PTO which I understand are
> more responsive to parents. -Rod
As a PTA, it was part of a national 501c3 organization and should have had some oversight. As a PTO, it is basically on its own so embezzlement should be easier given how poorly these people supervised the PTA.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
PTA vs. PTO
()
Date: January 15, 2008 11:34AM
Too bad Litsa didn't pay the PTA bill either.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: January 15, 2008 11:43AM
PTA vs. PTO Wrote:
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> Too bad Litsa didn't pay the PTA bill either.
If that's the case, makes you wonder what the hell the PTA was doing as far as shielding its 501c3 from liability. Maybe the Navy Parents should sue the PTA for not doing its job.
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> Too bad Litsa didn't pay the PTA bill either.
If that's the case, makes you wonder what the hell the PTA was doing as far as shielding its 501c3 from liability. Maybe the Navy Parents should sue the PTA for not doing its job.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Buster
()
Date: January 15, 2008 12:01PM
Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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Maybe the Navy Parents should sue
> the PTA for not doing its job.
They are all too lazy to do anything about it. They are like the redistricters (and some are overlapping). All talk, no action.
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Maybe the Navy Parents should sue
> the PTA for not doing its job.
They are all too lazy to do anything about it. They are like the redistricters (and some are overlapping). All talk, no action.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
what?
()
Date: January 15, 2008 01:38PM
You are comparing Litsa to a Priest and a Lawyer? Not even close. One will ask for forgiveness to get out of hell, One is already on their way with one foot in and does not care, and the other is going to con her way out and probably slip up and GET CAUGHT!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker..
()
Date: January 15, 2008 02:36PM
From what I've seen of FFX PD investigators they probably have an excellent case for the $180,000, chances are Litsa probably got away with more.
She should get jail time and have to repay NAVY Vale the full $180,000 amount with interest and a large fine.
She should get jail time and have to repay NAVY Vale the full $180,000 amount with interest and a large fine.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Twinkie
()
Date: January 15, 2008 02:43PM
Lurker.. Wrote:
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> From what I've seen of FFX PD investigators they
> probably have an excellent case for the $180,000,
> chances are Litsa probably got away with more.
>
> She should get jail time and have to repay NAVY
> Vale the full $180,000 amount with interest and a
> large fine.
"Should" and "will" are two different things given the recent history of embezzlement cases in the county.
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> From what I've seen of FFX PD investigators they
> probably have an excellent case for the $180,000,
> chances are Litsa probably got away with more.
>
> She should get jail time and have to repay NAVY
> Vale the full $180,000 amount with interest and a
> large fine.
"Should" and "will" are two different things given the recent history of embezzlement cases in the county.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: January 15, 2008 03:02PM
Lurker.. Wrote:
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> She should get jail time and have to repay NAVY
> Vale the full $180,000 amount with interest and a
> large fine.
She will get a plea deal for probation and will have to pay the money back at $50 a month. If she keeps her nose clean for two years the whole thing will be dropped from her record.
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> She should get jail time and have to repay NAVY
> Vale the full $180,000 amount with interest and a
> large fine.
She will get a plea deal for probation and will have to pay the money back at $50 a month. If she keeps her nose clean for two years the whole thing will be dropped from her record.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Twinkie
()
Date: January 15, 2008 03:07PM
Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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> She will get a plea deal for probation and will
> have to pay the money back at $50 a month. If she
> keeps her nose clean for two years the whole thing
> will be dropped from her record.
I agree it will be light, but maybe not that light. I see a three month sentence, two months suspended, one month served (which will actually be two weeks). Maybe a month of home confinement with modified release for family related reasons. You are probably right about the $50/month restitution though. That is what the lawyer got and he stole more and from people who will actually miss the money.
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> She will get a plea deal for probation and will
> have to pay the money back at $50 a month. If she
> keeps her nose clean for two years the whole thing
> will be dropped from her record.
I agree it will be light, but maybe not that light. I see a three month sentence, two months suspended, one month served (which will actually be two weeks). Maybe a month of home confinement with modified release for family related reasons. You are probably right about the $50/month restitution though. That is what the lawyer got and he stole more and from people who will actually miss the money.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Public Shunning
()
Date: January 15, 2008 03:51PM
Lurker.. Wrote:
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> From what I've seen of FFX PD investigators they
> probably have an excellent case for the $180,000,
> chances are Litsa probably got away with more.
>
> She should get jail time and have to repay NAVY
> Vale the full $180,000 amount with interest and a
> large fine.
And don't forget the very well warranted Public Shunning !!!!
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> From what I've seen of FFX PD investigators they
> probably have an excellent case for the $180,000,
> chances are Litsa probably got away with more.
>
> She should get jail time and have to repay NAVY
> Vale the full $180,000 amount with interest and a
> large fine.
And don't forget the very well warranted Public Shunning !!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Laslo
()
Date: January 15, 2008 03:59PM
Public Shunning Wrote:
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> And don't forget the very well warranted Public
> Shunning !!!!
That has already begun, don't forget the whole guilty until proven innocent thing.
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> And don't forget the very well warranted Public
> Shunning !!!!
That has already begun, don't forget the whole guilty until proven innocent thing.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Public Shunning
()
Date: January 15, 2008 04:03PM
She is guilty. The evidence shows it.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Laslo
()
Date: January 15, 2008 04:12PM
Public Shunning Wrote:
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> She is guilty. The evidence shows it.
Sorry, didn't realize you had access to the case file with all of the evidence, etc.
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> She is guilty. The evidence shows it.
Sorry, didn't realize you had access to the case file with all of the evidence, etc.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker..
()
Date: January 15, 2008 04:43PM
Twinkie Wrote:
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> Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> I agree it will be light, but maybe not that
> light. I see a three month sentence, two months
> suspended, one month served (which will actually
> be two weeks). Maybe a month of home confinement
> with modified release for family related reasons.
> You are probably right about the $50/month
> restitution though. That is what the lawyer got
> and he stole more and from people who will
> actually miss the money.
That is not the complete story of the lawyer.
The lawyer was also convicted in several other jurisdictions regarding his embezzlement, more specific charge of "money laundering." His total sentence was 6 years in different plea agreements.
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> Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> I agree it will be light, but maybe not that
> light. I see a three month sentence, two months
> suspended, one month served (which will actually
> be two weeks). Maybe a month of home confinement
> with modified release for family related reasons.
> You are probably right about the $50/month
> restitution though. That is what the lawyer got
> and he stole more and from people who will
> actually miss the money.
That is not the complete story of the lawyer.
The lawyer was also convicted in several other jurisdictions regarding his embezzlement, more specific charge of "money laundering." His total sentence was 6 years in different plea agreements.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Twinkie
()
Date: January 15, 2008 04:56PM
Lurker.. Wrote:
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> The lawyer was also convicted in several other
> jurisdictions regarding his embezzlement, more
> specific charge of "money laundering." His total
> sentence was 6 years in different plea agreements.
The lawyer was NOT convicted in any other jurisdiction besides Fairfax of embezzling. That is the point. Is Mrs. Mattfeld charged with money laundering or receiving stolen property? NO! He served four months for embezzling. He wasn't even required to pay restitution to his clients, just his former firm. Unless there are charges other than embezzling against Mrs. Mattfeld, your arguments about Mr. Short's crimes are irrelevent. Besides, he was sentenced in NJ after his Fairfax sentencing. Fairfax had no idea what sentence theman would get in NJ.
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> The lawyer was also convicted in several other
> jurisdictions regarding his embezzlement, more
> specific charge of "money laundering." His total
> sentence was 6 years in different plea agreements.
The lawyer was NOT convicted in any other jurisdiction besides Fairfax of embezzling. That is the point. Is Mrs. Mattfeld charged with money laundering or receiving stolen property? NO! He served four months for embezzling. He wasn't even required to pay restitution to his clients, just his former firm. Unless there are charges other than embezzling against Mrs. Mattfeld, your arguments about Mr. Short's crimes are irrelevent. Besides, he was sentenced in NJ after his Fairfax sentencing. Fairfax had no idea what sentence theman would get in NJ.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker..
()
Date: January 15, 2008 05:07PM
More info on the Lawyer...
Having served both his Falls Church and Fairfax jail sentences, Short pleaded guilty in Atlantic County Superior Court in New Jersey on Feb. 2 to one count of money laundering, a spokeswoman for the New Jersey Division of Criminal Justice said. Short is scheduled to be sentenced April 7. His plea agreement calls for a sentence of four years.
Having served both his Falls Church and Fairfax jail sentences, Short pleaded guilty in Atlantic County Superior Court in New Jersey on Feb. 2 to one count of money laundering, a spokeswoman for the New Jersey Division of Criminal Justice said. Short is scheduled to be sentenced April 7. His plea agreement calls for a sentence of four years.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
JLE
()
Date: January 15, 2008 05:08PM
Laslo Wrote:
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> Public Shunning Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And don't forget the very well warranted Public
> > Shunning !!!!
>
> That has already begun, don't forget the whole
> guilty until proven innocent thing.
We'll see on January 23 what the date will be for her to enter her plea. We'll know soon enough then. Mark your calendars.
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> Public Shunning Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And don't forget the very well warranted Public
> > Shunning !!!!
>
> That has already begun, don't forget the whole
> guilty until proven innocent thing.
We'll see on January 23 what the date will be for her to enter her plea. We'll know soon enough then. Mark your calendars.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker..
()
Date: January 15, 2008 06:03PM
Read the last line that shows Shorts sentence. Here is the full story.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/12/AR2006041200855.html
"Short pleaded guilty in Atlantic County Superior Court to one count of money laundering. He was sentenced April 7. Short must serve 85 percent of his four-year term before he is eligible for parole, Hagerty said."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/12/AR2006041200855.html
"Short pleaded guilty in Atlantic County Superior Court to one count of money laundering. He was sentenced April 7. Short must serve 85 percent of his four-year term before he is eligible for parole, Hagerty said."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Twinkie
()
Date: January 16, 2008 10:28AM
Lurker.. Wrote:
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> Read the last line that shows Shorts sentence.
> Here is the full story.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
> le/2006/04/12/AR2006041200855.html
>
> "Short pleaded guilty in Atlantic County Superior
> Court to one count of money laundering. He was
> sentenced April 7. Short must serve 85 percent of
> his four-year term before he is eligible for
> parole, Hagerty said."
Yeah, that is great, but the ONLY relevant fact about this case is what he was charged with in Fairfax and what sentence he received in Fairfax. Everything else is immaterial. As the saying goes, what does his sentence in NJ have to do with the price of tea in China?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Read the last line that shows Shorts sentence.
> Here is the full story.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
> le/2006/04/12/AR2006041200855.html
>
> "Short pleaded guilty in Atlantic County Superior
> Court to one count of money laundering. He was
> sentenced April 7. Short must serve 85 percent of
> his four-year term before he is eligible for
> parole, Hagerty said."
Yeah, that is great, but the ONLY relevant fact about this case is what he was charged with in Fairfax and what sentence he received in Fairfax. Everything else is immaterial. As the saying goes, what does his sentence in NJ have to do with the price of tea in China?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker..
()
Date: January 16, 2008 11:00AM
Twinkie Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lurker.. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Read the last line that shows Shorts sentence.
> > Here is the full story.
> >
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
>
> > le/2006/04/12/AR2006041200855.html
> >
> > "Short pleaded guilty in Atlantic County
> Superior
> > Court to one count of money laundering. He was
> > sentenced April 7. Short must serve 85 percent
> of
> > his four-year term before he is eligible for
> > parole, Hagerty said."
>
> Yeah, that is great, but the ONLY relevant fact
> about this case is what he was charged with in
> Fairfax and what sentence he received in Fairfax.
> Everything else is immaterial. As the saying
> goes, what does his sentence in NJ have to do with
> the price of tea in China?
Cup Cake,
If you are selling FFX tea in China you might want to know the price in China.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lurker.. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Read the last line that shows Shorts sentence.
> > Here is the full story.
> >
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
>
> > le/2006/04/12/AR2006041200855.html
> >
> > "Short pleaded guilty in Atlantic County
> Superior
> > Court to one count of money laundering. He was
> > sentenced April 7. Short must serve 85 percent
> of
> > his four-year term before he is eligible for
> > parole, Hagerty said."
>
> Yeah, that is great, but the ONLY relevant fact
> about this case is what he was charged with in
> Fairfax and what sentence he received in Fairfax.
> Everything else is immaterial. As the saying
> goes, what does his sentence in NJ have to do with
> the price of tea in China?
Cup Cake,
If you are selling FFX tea in China you might want to know the price in China.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Twinkie
()
Date: January 16, 2008 11:12AM
Lurker.. Wrote:
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>> Cup Cake,
>
> If you are selling FFX tea in China you might want
> to know the price in China.
Skulker,
Perhaps you should act more like your handle suggests and lurk, not participate. Each post seriously diminishes any reputation for rational thought that you might possess. The charges and sentencing in NJ are not relevenat to the charges and sentencing in FFX. How is it that you fail to comprehend this very simple concept? Unless I am missing something here, I don't believe Mrs. Mattfeld is charged in NJ. When you talk about Mr. Short's NJ charges and sentencing and Mrs. Mattfeld's charges, you are comparing apples and oranges. The only true comparison can be made in the FFX charges.
-------------------------------------------------------
>> Cup Cake,
>
> If you are selling FFX tea in China you might want
> to know the price in China.
Skulker,
Perhaps you should act more like your handle suggests and lurk, not participate. Each post seriously diminishes any reputation for rational thought that you might possess. The charges and sentencing in NJ are not relevenat to the charges and sentencing in FFX. How is it that you fail to comprehend this very simple concept? Unless I am missing something here, I don't believe Mrs. Mattfeld is charged in NJ. When you talk about Mr. Short's NJ charges and sentencing and Mrs. Mattfeld's charges, you are comparing apples and oranges. The only true comparison can be made in the FFX charges.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker..
()
Date: January 16, 2008 01:26PM
A disbarred Fairfax County lawyer who embezzled more than $500,000 from a Vienna law firm and some of his clients has been sentenced in New Jersey to four years in prison for laundering half of the stolen money through an Atlantic City casino.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Twinkie
()
Date: January 16, 2008 01:30PM
Lurker.. Wrote:
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> A disbarred Fairfax County lawyer who embezzled
> more than $500,000 from a Vienna law firm and some
> of his clients has been sentenced in New Jersey to
> four years in prison for laundering half of the
> stolen money through an Atlantic City casino.
Yes, and this MIGHT be relevent had Mrs. Mattfeld attempted to launder money through a casino in NJ. SHE DIDN'T. Do you see the difference or are you simply ignoring it? My God, I feel like I am explaining things to a broken record.
If you are simply going to post a sentence about how the guy was sentenced in NJ, don't bother, we get your point (or lack thereof).
-------------------------------------------------------
> A disbarred Fairfax County lawyer who embezzled
> more than $500,000 from a Vienna law firm and some
> of his clients has been sentenced in New Jersey to
> four years in prison for laundering half of the
> stolen money through an Atlantic City casino.
Yes, and this MIGHT be relevent had Mrs. Mattfeld attempted to launder money through a casino in NJ. SHE DIDN'T. Do you see the difference or are you simply ignoring it? My God, I feel like I am explaining things to a broken record.
If you are simply going to post a sentence about how the guy was sentenced in NJ, don't bother, we get your point (or lack thereof).
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: January 16, 2008 01:51PM
Money laundering through a casino seems to have all sorts of implications that are not applicable to a PTA treasurer allegedly using money for personal expenses from a bank account she had permission to access which lacked any kind of oversight.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TRUTH!!
()
Date: January 16, 2008 03:14PM
Lack of oversight, yes!!! But you can point a finger at every single Navy parent, Fairfax County school administrator, pta/pto board, swim team parent, Athletic Association, etc. Probably CON would be better served. I think you can even throw in unknowing enablers to the mix. Looking back in retrospect, the truth should have been obvious. Blinded by faith and trust. How ironic considering she stole from an Elementary School.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
AM
()
Date: January 16, 2008 03:15PM
TRUTH!! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lack of oversight, yes!!! But you can point a
> finger at every single Navy parent, Fairfax County
> school administrator, pta/pto board, swim team
> parent, Athletic Association, etc. Probably CON
> would be better served. I think you can even
> throw in unknowing enablers to the mix. Looking
> back in retrospect, the truth should have been
> obvious. Blinded by faith and trust. How ironic
> considering she stole from an Elementary School.
How is it ironic? I don't see any irony here.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lack of oversight, yes!!! But you can point a
> finger at every single Navy parent, Fairfax County
> school administrator, pta/pto board, swim team
> parent, Athletic Association, etc. Probably CON
> would be better served. I think you can even
> throw in unknowing enablers to the mix. Looking
> back in retrospect, the truth should have been
> obvious. Blinded by faith and trust. How ironic
> considering she stole from an Elementary School.
How is it ironic? I don't see any irony here.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax MF---er
()
Date: January 16, 2008 04:55PM
TRUTH!! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lack of oversight, yes!!! But you can point a
> finger at every single Navy parent, Fairfax County
> school administrator, pta/pto board, swim team
> parent, Athletic Association, etc. Probably CON
> would be better served. I think you can even
> throw in unknowing enablers to the mix. Looking
> back in retrospect, the truth should have been
> obvious. Blinded by faith and trust. How ironic
> considering she stole from an Elementary School.
You don't need to point the finger at everyone. You need to point the finger at the individuals on the Navy PTA Board who comprised the Finance Committee. They were the ones who had the responsibility under the 501c3 and PTA by-laws to keep an eye on the dollars. Where were they during this whole thing?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lack of oversight, yes!!! But you can point a
> finger at every single Navy parent, Fairfax County
> school administrator, pta/pto board, swim team
> parent, Athletic Association, etc. Probably CON
> would be better served. I think you can even
> throw in unknowing enablers to the mix. Looking
> back in retrospect, the truth should have been
> obvious. Blinded by faith and trust. How ironic
> considering she stole from an Elementary School.
You don't need to point the finger at everyone. You need to point the finger at the individuals on the Navy PTA Board who comprised the Finance Committee. They were the ones who had the responsibility under the 501c3 and PTA by-laws to keep an eye on the dollars. Where were they during this whole thing?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Laslo
()
Date: January 16, 2008 04:57PM
Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You don't need to point the finger at everyone.
> You need to point the finger at the individuals on
> the Navy PTA Board who comprised the Finance
> Committee. They were the ones who had the
> responsibility under the 501c3 and PTA by-laws to
> keep an eye on the dollars. Where were they during
> this whole thing?
According to previous posts, they were eating cookies and strutting around with clipboards. Apparantly, holding a clipboard is a sign of status and prestige. More so than, say, a Lexus SUV.
-------------------------------------------------------
> You don't need to point the finger at everyone.
> You need to point the finger at the individuals on
> the Navy PTA Board who comprised the Finance
> Committee. They were the ones who had the
> responsibility under the 501c3 and PTA by-laws to
> keep an eye on the dollars. Where were they during
> this whole thing?
According to previous posts, they were eating cookies and strutting around with clipboards. Apparantly, holding a clipboard is a sign of status and prestige. More so than, say, a Lexus SUV.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker..
()
Date: January 16, 2008 05:46PM
A bunch of soccer Mom's aren't going to know if the treasurer is counting the donations and sticking some of the money in her pocket. Apparently Litsa wasn't to bright either.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TRUTH!!!
()
Date: January 16, 2008 05:49PM
AM Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> TRUTH!! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lack of oversight, yes!!! But you can point a
> > finger at every single Navy parent, Fairfax
> County
> > school administrator, pta/pto board, swim team
> > parent, Athletic Association, etc. Probably CON
> > would be better served. I think you can even
> > throw in unknowing enablers to the mix. Looking
> > back in retrospect, the truth should have been
> > obvious. Blinded by faith and trust. How
> ironic
> > considering she stole from an Elementary
> School.
>
> How is it ironic? I don't see any irony here.
Irony, to mean the opposite of the literal meaning...we teach elementary age kids...honesty, morals, right from wrong.
ps: finance committe was sitting next to the CON. Don't you think she kept them closest to her? She called them her friends.
-------------------------------------------------------
> TRUTH!! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lack of oversight, yes!!! But you can point a
> > finger at every single Navy parent, Fairfax
> County
> > school administrator, pta/pto board, swim team
> > parent, Athletic Association, etc. Probably CON
> > would be better served. I think you can even
> > throw in unknowing enablers to the mix. Looking
> > back in retrospect, the truth should have been
> > obvious. Blinded by faith and trust. How
> ironic
> > considering she stole from an Elementary
> School.
>
> How is it ironic? I don't see any irony here.
Irony, to mean the opposite of the literal meaning...we teach elementary age kids...honesty, morals, right from wrong.
ps: finance committe was sitting next to the CON. Don't you think she kept them closest to her? She called them her friends.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The saying goes...
()
Date: January 16, 2008 09:36PM
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer !!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
navy mom
()
Date: January 17, 2008 08:46AM
TRUTH!!! Wrote:
>
> Irony, to mean the opposite of the literal
> meaning...we teach elementary age kids...honesty,
> morals, right from wrong.
>
> ps: finance committe was sitting next to the CON.
> Don't you think she kept them closest to her? She
> called them her friends.
that's right, they were her friends and her partners... and yet look how the rats ran and did not take responsibility for their part in her theft, they are all playing the victim card now... during litsa's presidency, they thought they had it good, living in a delusion that they had status at a elementary school
( how pathetic is that!)
and as soon as their "friend" is in trouble, they say she wasn't their friend, they are victims and know nothing about her theft.
meanwhile these same "friends" had her handling money at their swim team... and not a word about it to the parents on the swim team... so we're suppossed to believe they were "fooled" by her twice and no one else was responsable for keeping the accounts of the money at the swim tean fundraisers either!
what a nice bunch of stand up women we have at Navy and fair oaks!
they should all be sued.
Litsa will probably get away with her theft because this DA just makes deals he doesn't prosecute...
and these women will have the arrogance to walk around town with their heads held high cause they think the rest of us are imbeciles.
>
> Irony, to mean the opposite of the literal
> meaning...we teach elementary age kids...honesty,
> morals, right from wrong.
>
> ps: finance committe was sitting next to the CON.
> Don't you think she kept them closest to her? She
> called them her friends.
that's right, they were her friends and her partners... and yet look how the rats ran and did not take responsibility for their part in her theft, they are all playing the victim card now... during litsa's presidency, they thought they had it good, living in a delusion that they had status at a elementary school
( how pathetic is that!)
and as soon as their "friend" is in trouble, they say she wasn't their friend, they are victims and know nothing about her theft.
meanwhile these same "friends" had her handling money at their swim team... and not a word about it to the parents on the swim team... so we're suppossed to believe they were "fooled" by her twice and no one else was responsable for keeping the accounts of the money at the swim tean fundraisers either!
what a nice bunch of stand up women we have at Navy and fair oaks!
they should all be sued.
Litsa will probably get away with her theft because this DA just makes deals he doesn't prosecute...
and these women will have the arrogance to walk around town with their heads held high cause they think the rest of us are imbeciles.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 17, 2008 09:05AM
So basically none of the people on the finance committee bothered looking at bank statements or asking questions about withdrawals or requested receipts for expenses? I mean, if Litsa was the President at one point, there had to be a Treasurer. You would assume the Treasurer had to co-sign any expense! Or look at the monthly bank statements and ask questions, right? What were these people doing??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 17, 2008 09:10AM
I just went online and looked up the Navy PTA Form 990. In 1998, Navy PTA reported contributions of $750K. In 1999, it reported contributions of $4,700. It didn't even bother to file a Form 990 in subsequent years. If that doesn't raise alarm bells, I'm not sure what else would!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
What?
()
Date: January 17, 2008 09:51AM
navy mom Wrote:
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> TRUTH!!! Wrote:
>
> >
> > Irony, to mean the opposite of the literal
> > meaning...we teach elementary age
> kids...honesty,
> > morals, right from wrong.
> >
> > ps: finance committe was sitting next to the
> CON.
> > Don't you think she kept them closest to her?
> She
> > called them her friends.
>
>
> that's right, they were her friends and her
> partners... and yet look how the rats ran and did
> not take responsibility for their part in her
> theft, they are all playing the victim card now...
> during litsa's presidency, they thought they had
> it good, living in a delusion that they had status
> at a elementary school
> ( how pathetic is that!)
>
> and as soon as their "friend" is in trouble, they
> say she wasn't their friend, they are victims and
> know nothing about her theft.
>
> meanwhile these same "friends" had her handling
> money at their swim team... and not a word about
> it to the parents on the swim team... so we're
> suppossed to believe they were "fooled" by her
> twice and no one else was responsable for keeping
> the accounts of the money at the swim tean
> fundraisers either!
>
>
>
>
> what a nice bunch of stand up women we have at
> Navy and fair oaks!
>
>
> they should all be sued.
>
> Litsa will probably get away with her theft
> because this DA just makes deals he doesn't
> prosecute...
>
> and these women will have the arrogance to walk
> around town with their heads held high cause they
> think the rest of us are imbeciles.
Oh Bitter Betty,
You had better sign up Chantilly Youth Association, Chantilly High School, Fair Oaks Swim Team to your "friends" list. Don't think you can point one finger at Navy. At least Navy had the GUTs to reveal their mistake. I am sure the "stand up women" as you refer to them are ashamed and absolutely dread the public attention. Navy parents provided the police with all the evidence they needed to prosecute! And it is complete and accurate. Look up the definition of "friend" Litsa might need your help. Sounds like she is your friend.
-------------------------------------------------------
> TRUTH!!! Wrote:
>
> >
> > Irony, to mean the opposite of the literal
> > meaning...we teach elementary age
> kids...honesty,
> > morals, right from wrong.
> >
> > ps: finance committe was sitting next to the
> CON.
> > Don't you think she kept them closest to her?
> She
> > called them her friends.
>
>
> that's right, they were her friends and her
> partners... and yet look how the rats ran and did
> not take responsibility for their part in her
> theft, they are all playing the victim card now...
> during litsa's presidency, they thought they had
> it good, living in a delusion that they had status
> at a elementary school
> ( how pathetic is that!)
>
> and as soon as their "friend" is in trouble, they
> say she wasn't their friend, they are victims and
> know nothing about her theft.
>
> meanwhile these same "friends" had her handling
> money at their swim team... and not a word about
> it to the parents on the swim team... so we're
> suppossed to believe they were "fooled" by her
> twice and no one else was responsable for keeping
> the accounts of the money at the swim tean
> fundraisers either!
>
>
>
>
> what a nice bunch of stand up women we have at
> Navy and fair oaks!
>
>
> they should all be sued.
>
> Litsa will probably get away with her theft
> because this DA just makes deals he doesn't
> prosecute...
>
> and these women will have the arrogance to walk
> around town with their heads held high cause they
> think the rest of us are imbeciles.
Oh Bitter Betty,
You had better sign up Chantilly Youth Association, Chantilly High School, Fair Oaks Swim Team to your "friends" list. Don't think you can point one finger at Navy. At least Navy had the GUTs to reveal their mistake. I am sure the "stand up women" as you refer to them are ashamed and absolutely dread the public attention. Navy parents provided the police with all the evidence they needed to prosecute! And it is complete and accurate. Look up the definition of "friend" Litsa might need your help. Sounds like she is your friend.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 17, 2008 10:38AM
What? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Oh Bitter Betty,
> You had better sign up Chantilly Youth
> Association, Chantilly High School, Fair Oaks Swim
> Team to your "friends" list. Don't think you can
> point one finger at Navy. At least Navy had the
> GUTs to reveal their mistake. I am sure the
> "stand up women" as you refer to them are ashamed
> and absolutely dread the public attention. Navy
> parents provided the police with all the evidence
> they needed to prosecute! And it is complete and
> accurate. Look up the definition of "friend"
> Litsa might need your help. Sounds like she is
> your friend.
Sounds to me like you and your buddies piled on after it became easy to do so. None of you had the GUTS to point out the apparent irregularities that were occurring over the years possibly for fear of being ostracized by Litsa and her cronies. Jumping on the bandwagon after a bank employee did the job of the Navy PTA board didn't take any GUTS at all.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Oh Bitter Betty,
> You had better sign up Chantilly Youth
> Association, Chantilly High School, Fair Oaks Swim
> Team to your "friends" list. Don't think you can
> point one finger at Navy. At least Navy had the
> GUTs to reveal their mistake. I am sure the
> "stand up women" as you refer to them are ashamed
> and absolutely dread the public attention. Navy
> parents provided the police with all the evidence
> they needed to prosecute! And it is complete and
> accurate. Look up the definition of "friend"
> Litsa might need your help. Sounds like she is
> your friend.
Sounds to me like you and your buddies piled on after it became easy to do so. None of you had the GUTS to point out the apparent irregularities that were occurring over the years possibly for fear of being ostracized by Litsa and her cronies. Jumping on the bandwagon after a bank employee did the job of the Navy PTA board didn't take any GUTS at all.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Bandwagon
()
Date: January 17, 2008 02:09PM
Facts where are you? Facts which hopefully will be made public after the final judgement. I can tell from your response you do not even have a first clue let alone a second regarding this case. Pity.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 17, 2008 02:45PM
Bandwagon Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Facts where are you? Facts which hopefully will
> be made public after the final judgement. I can
> tell from your response you do not even have a
> first clue let alone a second regarding this case.
> Pity.
Fact - Litsa allegedly took the Navy PTA to the cleaners for $180K over several years.
Fact - Navy PTA had elected officers and a Finance Committee that should have caught this but didn't.
Fact - It took a bank employee to pick up on the irregularities, not the people with the supposed "GUTS."
Fact - For this kind of thing to happen it takes enablers - either in the form of people who knowingly participated or, more likely in this case, people who simply were incompetent, gullible or indifferent when it came to the alleged crimes.
Fact - Whatever ends up happening with Litsa, it won't be enough to satisfy you folks because you are embarrassed you have supposedly been had by someone of Litsa's "class."
-------------------------------------------------------
> Facts where are you? Facts which hopefully will
> be made public after the final judgement. I can
> tell from your response you do not even have a
> first clue let alone a second regarding this case.
> Pity.
Fact - Litsa allegedly took the Navy PTA to the cleaners for $180K over several years.
Fact - Navy PTA had elected officers and a Finance Committee that should have caught this but didn't.
Fact - It took a bank employee to pick up on the irregularities, not the people with the supposed "GUTS."
Fact - For this kind of thing to happen it takes enablers - either in the form of people who knowingly participated or, more likely in this case, people who simply were incompetent, gullible or indifferent when it came to the alleged crimes.
Fact - Whatever ends up happening with Litsa, it won't be enough to satisfy you folks because you are embarrassed you have supposedly been had by someone of Litsa's "class."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Bandwagon
()
Date: January 17, 2008 05:04PM
Strictly opinions not facts. LOL
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 17, 2008 05:29PM
Bandwagon Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Strictly opinions not facts. LOL
You need to look up the definition of "opinion" because you aren't using it in the proper context. LOL indeed.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Strictly opinions not facts. LOL
You need to look up the definition of "opinion" because you aren't using it in the proper context. LOL indeed.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Question
()
Date: January 18, 2008 12:59AM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> I just went online and looked up the Navy PTA Form
> 990. In 1998, Navy PTA reported contributions of
> $750K. In 1999, it reported contributions of
> $4,700. It didn't even bother to file a Form 990
> in subsequent years. If that doesn't raise alarm
> bells, I'm not sure what else would!
Where on-line did you go to find this information?
Thanks,
-------------------------------------------------------
> I just went online and looked up the Navy PTA Form
> 990. In 1998, Navy PTA reported contributions of
> $750K. In 1999, it reported contributions of
> $4,700. It didn't even bother to file a Form 990
> in subsequent years. If that doesn't raise alarm
> bells, I'm not sure what else would!
Where on-line did you go to find this information?
Thanks,
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 18, 2008 09:35AM
Question Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I just went online and looked up the Navy PTA
> Form
> > 990. In 1998, Navy PTA reported contributions
> of
> > $750K. In 1999, it reported contributions of
> > $4,700. It didn't even bother to file a Form
> 990
> > in subsequent years. If that doesn't raise
> alarm
> > bells, I'm not sure what else would!
>
>
>
> Where on-line did you go to find this
> information?
>
> Thanks,
Guidestar.org. You have to register, but it is free. Look up "Navy PTA" and it will pull up a profile. If you look on the right-hand side, you will see a link to "Form 990s" which nonprofits are required to file with the IRS. As I said, they hadn't filed one since 2000. Not sure if members of the Navy PTA board realized it or not, but if they were collecting money as a 501c3, they may not have been properly reporting it to the IRS. There may be a good explanation for it, but the Navy PTA board members might want to go through their records if this doesn't make sense.
-------------------------------------------------------
> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I just went online and looked up the Navy PTA
> Form
> > 990. In 1998, Navy PTA reported contributions
> of
> > $750K. In 1999, it reported contributions of
> > $4,700. It didn't even bother to file a Form
> 990
> > in subsequent years. If that doesn't raise
> alarm
> > bells, I'm not sure what else would!
>
>
>
> Where on-line did you go to find this
> information?
>
> Thanks,
Guidestar.org. You have to register, but it is free. Look up "Navy PTA" and it will pull up a profile. If you look on the right-hand side, you will see a link to "Form 990s" which nonprofits are required to file with the IRS. As I said, they hadn't filed one since 2000. Not sure if members of the Navy PTA board realized it or not, but if they were collecting money as a 501c3, they may not have been properly reporting it to the IRS. There may be a good explanation for it, but the Navy PTA board members might want to go through their records if this doesn't make sense.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
navy mom
()
Date: January 18, 2008 10:15AM
What? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> navy mom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TRUTH!!! Wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Irony, to mean the opposite of the literal
> > > meaning...we teach elementary age
> > kids...honesty,
> > > morals, right from wrong.
> > >
> > > ps: finance committe was sitting next to the
> > CON.
> > > Don't you think she kept them closest to her?
>
> > She
> > > called them her friends.
> >
> >
> > that's right, they were her friends and her
> > partners... and yet look how the rats ran and
> did
> > not take responsibility for their part in her
> > theft, they are all playing the victim card
> now...
> > during litsa's presidency, they thought they
> had
> > it good, living in a delusion that they had
> status
> > at a elementary school
> > ( how pathetic is that!)
> >
> > and as soon as their "friend" is in trouble,
> they
> > say she wasn't their friend, they are victims
> and
> > know nothing about her theft.
> >
> > meanwhile these same "friends" had her handling
> > money at their swim team... and not a word
> about
> > it to the parents on the swim team... so we're
> > suppossed to believe they were "fooled" by her
> > twice and no one else was responsable for
> keeping
> > the accounts of the money at the swim tean
> > fundraisers either!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > what a nice bunch of stand up women we have at
> > Navy and fair oaks!
> >
> >
> > they should all be sued.
> >
> > Litsa will probably get away with her theft
> > because this DA just makes deals he doesn't
> > prosecute...
> >
> > and these women will have the arrogance to walk
> > around town with their heads held high cause
> they
> > think the rest of us are imbeciles.
>
>
> Oh Bitter Betty,
> You had better sign up Chantilly Youth
> Association, Chantilly High School, Fair Oaks Swim
> Team to your "friends" list. Don't think you can
> point one finger at Navy. At least Navy had the
> GUTs to reveal their mistake. I am sure the
> "stand up women" as you refer to them are ashamed
> and absolutely dread the public attention. Navy
> parents provided the police with all the evidence
> they needed to prosecute! And it is complete and
> accurate. Look up the definition of "friend"
> Litsa might need your help. Sounds like she is
> your friend.
I suggest you read my post again, this time do it sober.
moron.
-------------------------------------------------------
> navy mom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TRUTH!!! Wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Irony, to mean the opposite of the literal
> > > meaning...we teach elementary age
> > kids...honesty,
> > > morals, right from wrong.
> > >
> > > ps: finance committe was sitting next to the
> > CON.
> > > Don't you think she kept them closest to her?
>
> > She
> > > called them her friends.
> >
> >
> > that's right, they were her friends and her
> > partners... and yet look how the rats ran and
> did
> > not take responsibility for their part in her
> > theft, they are all playing the victim card
> now...
> > during litsa's presidency, they thought they
> had
> > it good, living in a delusion that they had
> status
> > at a elementary school
> > ( how pathetic is that!)
> >
> > and as soon as their "friend" is in trouble,
> they
> > say she wasn't their friend, they are victims
> and
> > know nothing about her theft.
> >
> > meanwhile these same "friends" had her handling
> > money at their swim team... and not a word
> about
> > it to the parents on the swim team... so we're
> > suppossed to believe they were "fooled" by her
> > twice and no one else was responsable for
> keeping
> > the accounts of the money at the swim tean
> > fundraisers either!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > what a nice bunch of stand up women we have at
> > Navy and fair oaks!
> >
> >
> > they should all be sued.
> >
> > Litsa will probably get away with her theft
> > because this DA just makes deals he doesn't
> > prosecute...
> >
> > and these women will have the arrogance to walk
> > around town with their heads held high cause
> they
> > think the rest of us are imbeciles.
>
>
> Oh Bitter Betty,
> You had better sign up Chantilly Youth
> Association, Chantilly High School, Fair Oaks Swim
> Team to your "friends" list. Don't think you can
> point one finger at Navy. At least Navy had the
> GUTs to reveal their mistake. I am sure the
> "stand up women" as you refer to them are ashamed
> and absolutely dread the public attention. Navy
> parents provided the police with all the evidence
> they needed to prosecute! And it is complete and
> accurate. Look up the definition of "friend"
> Litsa might need your help. Sounds like she is
> your friend.
I suggest you read my post again, this time do it sober.
moron.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
navy mom
()
Date: January 18, 2008 10:17AM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bandwagon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Facts where are you? Facts which hopefully
> will
> > be made public after the final judgement. I
> can
> > tell from your response you do not even have a
> > first clue let alone a second regarding this
> case.
> > Pity.
>
>
> Fact - Litsa allegedly took the Navy PTA to the
> cleaners for $180K over several years.
>
> Fact - Navy PTA had elected officers and a Finance
> Committee that should have caught this but
> didn't.
>
> Fact - It took a bank employee to pick up on the
> irregularities, not the people with the supposed
> "GUTS."
>
> Fact - For this kind of thing to happen it takes
> enablers - either in the form of people who
> knowingly participated or, more likely in this
> case, people who simply were incompetent, gullible
> or indifferent when it came to the alleged
> crimes.
>
> Fact - Whatever ends up happening with Litsa, it
> won't be enough to satisfy you folks because you
> are embarrassed you have supposedly been had by
> someone of Litsa's "class."
absolutly correct!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bandwagon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Facts where are you? Facts which hopefully
> will
> > be made public after the final judgement. I
> can
> > tell from your response you do not even have a
> > first clue let alone a second regarding this
> case.
> > Pity.
>
>
> Fact - Litsa allegedly took the Navy PTA to the
> cleaners for $180K over several years.
>
> Fact - Navy PTA had elected officers and a Finance
> Committee that should have caught this but
> didn't.
>
> Fact - It took a bank employee to pick up on the
> irregularities, not the people with the supposed
> "GUTS."
>
> Fact - For this kind of thing to happen it takes
> enablers - either in the form of people who
> knowingly participated or, more likely in this
> case, people who simply were incompetent, gullible
> or indifferent when it came to the alleged
> crimes.
>
> Fact - Whatever ends up happening with Litsa, it
> won't be enough to satisfy you folks because you
> are embarrassed you have supposedly been had by
> someone of Litsa's "class."
absolutly correct!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 18, 2008 01:41PM
I just looked up the 990s for the CYA. They have nearly $2 million in assets. Can someone say MOTHERLODE!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
CYA - New Thread???
()
Date: January 18, 2008 05:27PM
Do you think this warrants a new discussion thread? Geez, this is a lot of money. Perhaps they are saving to buy their own property for new ball fields !!!
Is it normal or a youth association to have that kind of money ??
Is it normal or a youth association to have that kind of money ??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Another Lurker
()
Date: January 18, 2008 06:07PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I just went online and looked up the Navy PTA Form
> 990. In 1998, Navy PTA reported contributions of
> $750K. In 1999, it reported contributions of
> $4,700. It didn't even bother to file a Form 990
> in subsequent years. If that doesn't raise alarm
> bells, I'm not sure what else would!
Um...that's $750.00, not $750K.
1997: $1500 contributions, $2500 dues, $66K gross, $78K expenses, net -$8K
1998: $750 contributions, $1388 dues, $31K gross, $16K expenses, net $17K
1999: $4775 contributions, $3132 dues,$30K gross, $41K expenses, net -$3K
I'm no handwriting expert, but 97 and 98 look like the same hand; 99 is definitely different.
Not that any of this proves anything, but the $750K is a big red herring.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I just went online and looked up the Navy PTA Form
> 990. In 1998, Navy PTA reported contributions of
> $750K. In 1999, it reported contributions of
> $4,700. It didn't even bother to file a Form 990
> in subsequent years. If that doesn't raise alarm
> bells, I'm not sure what else would!
Um...that's $750.00, not $750K.
1997: $1500 contributions, $2500 dues, $66K gross, $78K expenses, net -$8K
1998: $750 contributions, $1388 dues, $31K gross, $16K expenses, net $17K
1999: $4775 contributions, $3132 dues,$30K gross, $41K expenses, net -$3K
I'm no handwriting expert, but 97 and 98 look like the same hand; 99 is definitely different.
Not that any of this proves anything, but the $750K is a big red herring.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 18, 2008 07:13PM
Another Lurker Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I just went online and looked up the Navy PTA
> Form
> > 990. In 1998, Navy PTA reported contributions
> of
> > $750K. In 1999, it reported contributions of
> > $4,700. It didn't even bother to file a Form
> 990
> > in subsequent years. If that doesn't raise
> alarm
> > bells, I'm not sure what else would!
>
> Um...that's $750.00, not $750K.
>
> 1997: $1500 contributions, $2500 dues, $66K gross,
> $78K expenses, net -$8K
> 1998: $750 contributions, $1388 dues, $31K gross,
> $16K expenses, net $17K
> 1999: $4775 contributions, $3132 dues,$30K gross,
> $41K expenses, net -$3K
>
> I'm no handwriting expert, but 97 and 98 look like
> the same hand; 99 is definitely different.
>
> Not that any of this proves anything, but the
> $750K is a big red herring.
You are right. Damn that's embarrassing. I need to get some glasses.
However, how the hell does a group go from raising $750 to not missing $30,000 a year for five years?
-------------------------------------------------------
> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I just went online and looked up the Navy PTA
> Form
> > 990. In 1998, Navy PTA reported contributions
> of
> > $750K. In 1999, it reported contributions of
> > $4,700. It didn't even bother to file a Form
> 990
> > in subsequent years. If that doesn't raise
> alarm
> > bells, I'm not sure what else would!
>
> Um...that's $750.00, not $750K.
>
> 1997: $1500 contributions, $2500 dues, $66K gross,
> $78K expenses, net -$8K
> 1998: $750 contributions, $1388 dues, $31K gross,
> $16K expenses, net $17K
> 1999: $4775 contributions, $3132 dues,$30K gross,
> $41K expenses, net -$3K
>
> I'm no handwriting expert, but 97 and 98 look like
> the same hand; 99 is definitely different.
>
> Not that any of this proves anything, but the
> $750K is a big red herring.
You are right. Damn that's embarrassing. I need to get some glasses.
However, how the hell does a group go from raising $750 to not missing $30,000 a year for five years?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Guidestar
()
Date: January 18, 2008 07:23PM
I am registered on the guidestar site, like suggested, and I can't find CYA or NAVY PTA using the advanced search.
How are you finding it?
How are you finding it?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 18, 2008 07:31PM
Guidestar Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I am registered on the guidestar site, like
> suggested, and I can't find CYA or NAVY PTA using
> the advanced search.
>
> How are you finding it?
"Chantilly Youth Association"
It will come up as a Little League. If you go to the actual 990, it says CYA on the form.
Also, I apologize for the $750K thing. I wasn't trying to mislead. The form was handwritten and I misread it.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I am registered on the guidestar site, like
> suggested, and I can't find CYA or NAVY PTA using
> the advanced search.
>
> How are you finding it?
"Chantilly Youth Association"
It will come up as a Little League. If you go to the actual 990, it says CYA on the form.
Also, I apologize for the $750K thing. I wasn't trying to mislead. The form was handwritten and I misread it.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 18, 2008 07:33PM
Guidestar Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I am registered on the guidestar site, like
> suggested, and I can't find CYA or NAVY PTA using
> the advanced search.
>
> How are you finding it?
For the PTA, look up "PTA Navy." It will come up under the state 501c3. However, if you go to the Form 990 the Navy PTA forms will be there.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I am registered on the guidestar site, like
> suggested, and I can't find CYA or NAVY PTA using
> the advanced search.
>
> How are you finding it?
For the PTA, look up "PTA Navy." It will come up under the state 501c3. However, if you go to the Form 990 the Navy PTA forms will be there.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
GuideStar
()
Date: January 18, 2008 07:50PM
In guidestar the Navy PTA came up as "Virginia Congress of Parents and Teachers"
That was a strange name to use instead of Navy PTA.
I just used the advanced search option.
I still can't find Chantilly Youth Association (CYA)
That was a strange name to use instead of Navy PTA.
I just used the advanced search option.
I still can't find Chantilly Youth Association (CYA)
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 18, 2008 07:54PM
GuideStar Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> In guidestar the Navy PTA came up as "Virginia
> Congress of Parents and Teachers"
>
> That was a strange name to use instead of Navy
> PTA.
>
> I just used the advanced search option.
>
> I still can't find Chantilly Youth Association
> (CYA)
It's because the Navy PTA is under the 501c3 of the "Virginia Congress of Parents and Teachers." However, the Form 990 is for the Navy PTA.
As for CYA, it will come up as a Little League registered in Chantilly. It is also probably under an umbrella 501c3.
-------------------------------------------------------
> In guidestar the Navy PTA came up as "Virginia
> Congress of Parents and Teachers"
>
> That was a strange name to use instead of Navy
> PTA.
>
> I just used the advanced search option.
>
> I still can't find Chantilly Youth Association
> (CYA)
It's because the Navy PTA is under the 501c3 of the "Virginia Congress of Parents and Teachers." However, the Form 990 is for the Navy PTA.
As for CYA, it will come up as a Little League registered in Chantilly. It is also probably under an umbrella 501c3.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
GuideStar
()
Date: January 18, 2008 08:10PM
I found CYA....It was under "Battlefield Little League, inc."
I don't think anyone who has children who attended Navy or the same families who have children participating in sports with CYA have any idea how much money there is in these organizations.
I know that I didn't. I just kept volunteering my time, as asked. Now I feel really stupid.
No wonder these organizations are magnets for people like Litsa to spend their time. There is so much money that can be easily taken and no one would know.
I never imagined that these organizations were dealing with so much $$.
Washingtonelocian....thanks for the scoop!!
I don't think anyone who has children who attended Navy or the same families who have children participating in sports with CYA have any idea how much money there is in these organizations.
I know that I didn't. I just kept volunteering my time, as asked. Now I feel really stupid.
No wonder these organizations are magnets for people like Litsa to spend their time. There is so much money that can be easily taken and no one would know.
I never imagined that these organizations were dealing with so much $$.
Washingtonelocian....thanks for the scoop!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 18, 2008 10:18PM
GuideStar Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I found CYA....It was under "Battlefield Little
> League, inc."
>
> I don't think anyone who has children who attended
> Navy or the same families who have children
> participating in sports with CYA have any idea how
> much money there is in these organizations.
>
> I know that I didn't. I just kept volunteering my
> time, as asked. Now I feel really stupid.
>
> No wonder these organizations are magnets for
> people like Litsa to spend their time. There is
> so much money that can be easily taken and no one
> would know.
>
> I never imagined that these organizations were
> dealing with so much $$.
>
> Washingtonelocian....thanks for the scoop!!
I don't think you should stop supporting organizations just because of the level of funds they raise. There may be very good reasons for why this money is being raised and how it is being spent. However, it is important that ethical people be put in place to manage the money and that financial controls are followed (such as more than one person signing checks and having an outside auditor review the books every year). Otherwise these nonprofit organizations can be easily victimized by smart and greedy individuals.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I found CYA....It was under "Battlefield Little
> League, inc."
>
> I don't think anyone who has children who attended
> Navy or the same families who have children
> participating in sports with CYA have any idea how
> much money there is in these organizations.
>
> I know that I didn't. I just kept volunteering my
> time, as asked. Now I feel really stupid.
>
> No wonder these organizations are magnets for
> people like Litsa to spend their time. There is
> so much money that can be easily taken and no one
> would know.
>
> I never imagined that these organizations were
> dealing with so much $$.
>
> Washingtonelocian....thanks for the scoop!!
I don't think you should stop supporting organizations just because of the level of funds they raise. There may be very good reasons for why this money is being raised and how it is being spent. However, it is important that ethical people be put in place to manage the money and that financial controls are followed (such as more than one person signing checks and having an outside auditor review the books every year). Otherwise these nonprofit organizations can be easily victimized by smart and greedy individuals.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Another Lurker
()
Date: January 19, 2008 11:53AM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> However, how the hell does a group go from raising
> $750 to not missing $30,000 a year for five years?
Actually that's "...how does a group who raises $30-$60K a year not miss $30K of it missing for five years?"
The $750 is *donations* as opposed to *fundraising*. The bigger number includes fundraising.
But the point is still valid. However, as an ex-Navy parent (we left there in 1999 for Hunters Woods), I can tell you that the way a PTA works, there isn't a lot of oversight. Not saying there shouldn't be -- the results speak for themselves! -- but when someone appears to be driving the bus, the rest of the parents naturally assume they know what they're doing.
All the folks saying that the rest of the PTA had to be in cahoots etc. are, I believe, just plain wrong. Litsa took advantage of the fact that few (if any) folks had ANY chance to see what was going on. She was involved when we were there; I'm wondering if some other parent who was Treasurer or something left, and she saw the opportunity to take over and remove any trace of visibility into the process. That would make sense, and fits with how these things seem to go down: a clever thief looks for, finds, and exploits an opportunity.
> However, how the hell does a group go from raising
> $750 to not missing $30,000 a year for five years?
Actually that's "...how does a group who raises $30-$60K a year not miss $30K of it missing for five years?"
The $750 is *donations* as opposed to *fundraising*. The bigger number includes fundraising.
But the point is still valid. However, as an ex-Navy parent (we left there in 1999 for Hunters Woods), I can tell you that the way a PTA works, there isn't a lot of oversight. Not saying there shouldn't be -- the results speak for themselves! -- but when someone appears to be driving the bus, the rest of the parents naturally assume they know what they're doing.
All the folks saying that the rest of the PTA had to be in cahoots etc. are, I believe, just plain wrong. Litsa took advantage of the fact that few (if any) folks had ANY chance to see what was going on. She was involved when we were there; I'm wondering if some other parent who was Treasurer or something left, and she saw the opportunity to take over and remove any trace of visibility into the process. That would make sense, and fits with how these things seem to go down: a clever thief looks for, finds, and exploits an opportunity.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Informed
()
Date: January 19, 2008 03:50PM
Hopefully the word has gotten around to the appropriate people within CYA and Chantilly HS to check their books. They might not be able to do anthing about Litsa, but hopefully all of these communities, including Navy, will be more diligent and put the appropriate controls in place for people handling money. With the large amounts that some of these organizations are handling, they are magnets for people like her. So sad....but, indeed, a sad reality.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 19, 2008 04:26PM
Informed Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hopefully the word has gotten around to the
> appropriate people within CYA and Chantilly HS to
> check their books.
I'll tell you one thing. I wouldn't let someone near my books if they have been charged by the police, whether they are guilty or not. If these people do it, they are beyond stupid.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hopefully the word has gotten around to the
> appropriate people within CYA and Chantilly HS to
> check their books.
I'll tell you one thing. I wouldn't let someone near my books if they have been charged by the police, whether they are guilty or not. If these people do it, they are beyond stupid.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Another fact
()
Date: January 20, 2008 05:15PM
Say what you want about the Navy parents and not catching this criminal earlier. The bottom line is that no matter how lax their oversight may have been, the CRIMINAL still committed the CRIME. Opportunity didn't make Litsa a criminal. She did that to herself.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Thank you!
()
Date: January 20, 2008 07:58PM
Navy - starting to feel like the store that was robbed and blaimed for leaving the expensive items out in the open for her to steal.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 21, 2008 08:25AM
Thank you! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Navy - starting to feel like the store that was
> robbed and blaimed for leaving the expensive items
> out in the open for her to steal.
More like the car owner who left the car unlocked and the keys in the ignition. The criminal did the crime, but apparently locking the car was too much of a hassle.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Navy - starting to feel like the store that was
> robbed and blaimed for leaving the expensive items
> out in the open for her to steal.
More like the car owner who left the car unlocked and the keys in the ignition. The criminal did the crime, but apparently locking the car was too much of a hassle.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Hearing Date 1/23
()
Date: January 22, 2008 11:16PM
Is there another hearing tomorrow 1/23 for Litsa? As I recall this date was set aside at the preliminary hearing.
What is this next hearing about? Is this another 2 minute deal? Anyone get the scoop from the prosecutor as to what this will be about?
Thanks,
What is this next hearing about? Is this another 2 minute deal? Anyone get the scoop from the prosecutor as to what this will be about?
Thanks,
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker..
()
Date: January 23, 2008 11:50AM
Pretty sure today is the date for her next hearing.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Court Reporter
()
Date: January 23, 2008 12:54PM
Plea date set for March 4, 2008. Actual time not yet set.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
More Info ??
()
Date: January 23, 2008 07:44PM
Court Reporter Wrote:
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> Plea date set for March 4, 2008. Actual time not
> yet set.
What happened in today's court hearing besides setting the date for the plea?
Was there any testimony from the detective or argument by the prosecutor?
Just curious about the details if there were any.
Thanks for sharing.....
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> Plea date set for March 4, 2008. Actual time not
> yet set.
What happened in today's court hearing besides setting the date for the plea?
Was there any testimony from the detective or argument by the prosecutor?
Just curious about the details if there were any.
Thanks for sharing.....
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
More Info?
()
Date: January 24, 2008 05:17PM
What happened at the court hearing besides setting the date for the plea?
Was there any testimony from the detective or argument by the prosecutor?
Just curious about the details if there were any.
Thanks for sharing.....
Was there any testimony from the detective or argument by the prosecutor?
Just curious about the details if there were any.
Thanks for sharing.....
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: January 24, 2008 11:47PM
Basically the hearing yesterday was a confirmation that a Grand Jury thinks there's enough evidence to try and convict. Not a good sign for Litsa.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Middle Class Parent
()
Date: January 25, 2008 04:29PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> Bandwagon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Facts where are you? Facts which hopefully
> will
> > be made public after the final judgement. I
> can
> > tell from your response you do not even have a
> > first clue let alone a second regarding this
> case.
> > Pity.
>
>
> Fact - Litsa allegedly took the Navy PTA to the
> cleaners for $180K over several years.
>
> Fact - Navy PTA had elected officers and a Finance
> Committee that should have caught this but
> didn't.
>
> Fact - It took a bank employee to pick up on the
> irregularities, not the people with the supposed
> "GUTS."
>
> Fact - For this kind of thing to happen it takes
> enablers - either in the form of people who
> knowingly participated or, more likely in this
> case, people who simply were incompetent, gullible
> or indifferent when it came to the alleged
> crimes.
>
> Fact - Whatever ends up happening with Litsa, it
> won't be enough to satisfy you folks because you
> are embarrassed you have supposedly been had by
> someone of Litsa's "class."
You're right, it's embarrassing to have been had by someone who is lower than whale manure on the bottom of any ocean. It's a great learning opportunity, though, for our children. We get to show our children that we can observe a slimy, remorseless swine of a person and still allow them to be the President of the PTA. It's not against the law to be "trash"; it is against the law to embezzle money. Now that I think about it, being so fat that it's impossible to determine if you're "Coyote Ugly" should be against the law. I'm lobbying for the maximum sentence anywhere I can do it.
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> Bandwagon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Facts where are you? Facts which hopefully
> will
> > be made public after the final judgement. I
> can
> > tell from your response you do not even have a
> > first clue let alone a second regarding this
> case.
> > Pity.
>
>
> Fact - Litsa allegedly took the Navy PTA to the
> cleaners for $180K over several years.
>
> Fact - Navy PTA had elected officers and a Finance
> Committee that should have caught this but
> didn't.
>
> Fact - It took a bank employee to pick up on the
> irregularities, not the people with the supposed
> "GUTS."
>
> Fact - For this kind of thing to happen it takes
> enablers - either in the form of people who
> knowingly participated or, more likely in this
> case, people who simply were incompetent, gullible
> or indifferent when it came to the alleged
> crimes.
>
> Fact - Whatever ends up happening with Litsa, it
> won't be enough to satisfy you folks because you
> are embarrassed you have supposedly been had by
> someone of Litsa's "class."
You're right, it's embarrassing to have been had by someone who is lower than whale manure on the bottom of any ocean. It's a great learning opportunity, though, for our children. We get to show our children that we can observe a slimy, remorseless swine of a person and still allow them to be the President of the PTA. It's not against the law to be "trash"; it is against the law to embezzle money. Now that I think about it, being so fat that it's impossible to determine if you're "Coyote Ugly" should be against the law. I'm lobbying for the maximum sentence anywhere I can do it.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 26, 2008 06:25PM
Middle Class Parent Wrote:
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>
> You're right, it's embarrassing to have been had
> by someone who is lower than whale manure on the
> bottom of any ocean. It's a great learning
> opportunity, though, for our children. We get to
> show our children that we can observe a slimy,
> remorseless swine of a person and still allow them
> to be the President of the PTA. It's not against
> the law to be "trash"; it is against the law to
> embezzle money. Now that I think about it, being
> so fat that it's impossible to determine if you're
> "Coyote Ugly" should be against the law. I'm
> lobbying for the maximum sentence anywhere I can
> do it.
You kind of missed my point. The point is the level of outrage is tied to people allegedly being duped by someone as lowly as Litsa. If she had been a CPA working at a tech firm, the level of outrage would be less because people would have thought they were outsmarted by someone who was intelligent. Instead, Litsa, who is kind of close to trailer trash based on the descriptions here, has allegedly pulled the wool over the eyes of people who thought they were pretty damn special when, in fact, they aren't.
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>
> You're right, it's embarrassing to have been had
> by someone who is lower than whale manure on the
> bottom of any ocean. It's a great learning
> opportunity, though, for our children. We get to
> show our children that we can observe a slimy,
> remorseless swine of a person and still allow them
> to be the President of the PTA. It's not against
> the law to be "trash"; it is against the law to
> embezzle money. Now that I think about it, being
> so fat that it's impossible to determine if you're
> "Coyote Ugly" should be against the law. I'm
> lobbying for the maximum sentence anywhere I can
> do it.
You kind of missed my point. The point is the level of outrage is tied to people allegedly being duped by someone as lowly as Litsa. If she had been a CPA working at a tech firm, the level of outrage would be less because people would have thought they were outsmarted by someone who was intelligent. Instead, Litsa, who is kind of close to trailer trash based on the descriptions here, has allegedly pulled the wool over the eyes of people who thought they were pretty damn special when, in fact, they aren't.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Dr. Navy
()
Date: January 26, 2008 09:46PM
WashingTonLocian you are an outsider and have no idea what you are talking about regarding Navy Elementary.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 27, 2008 12:37PM
Dr. Navy Wrote:
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> WashingTonLocian you are an outsider and have no
> idea what you are talking about regarding Navy
> Elementary.
I know how Fairfax County social climbers think. They are all the same and I am right.
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> WashingTonLocian you are an outsider and have no
> idea what you are talking about regarding Navy
> Elementary.
I know how Fairfax County social climbers think. They are all the same and I am right.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
No Broad Strokes Please
()
Date: January 27, 2008 09:57PM
Not everyone is a social climber. There are families at Navy, with two parents working, who are struggling to make ends meet, volunteering their time at school as often as possible. These same families were thankful that those who had the time (not working 2 jobs to make ends meet) were able to step up and take a more active role in the PTA.
No one could have imagined that such a criminal was lurking and preying upon the school. Who could have imagined the amount of money that was being collected....and even more so, the amount of money being stolen by Litsa. As a parent who volunteered when I could, but had no position of responsibility on the board, I couldn't have been more shocked and saddened. Most, if not all of the families at Navy, were shocked.
Washingtonelocian, perhaps you are right about some families in Fairfax County, but not all of the families at Navy. Some of us came from very humble beginnings and still work to ensure the qualities of respect, honesty, integrity, and community service are instilled in our children.....be sure.
No one could have imagined that such a criminal was lurking and preying upon the school. Who could have imagined the amount of money that was being collected....and even more so, the amount of money being stolen by Litsa. As a parent who volunteered when I could, but had no position of responsibility on the board, I couldn't have been more shocked and saddened. Most, if not all of the families at Navy, were shocked.
Washingtonelocian, perhaps you are right about some families in Fairfax County, but not all of the families at Navy. Some of us came from very humble beginnings and still work to ensure the qualities of respect, honesty, integrity, and community service are instilled in our children.....be sure.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
comeon
()
Date: January 28, 2008 06:06AM
oh please, you know that navy is filled with a bunch of social climbers who think they are god's gifts to the universe and that the school should do everything for them and their kids.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Middle Class Parent
()
Date: January 28, 2008 01:03PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Middle Class Parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > You're right, it's embarrassing to have been
> had
> > by someone who is lower than whale manure on
> the
> > bottom of any ocean. It's a great learning
> > opportunity, though, for our children. We get
> to
> > show our children that we can observe a slimy,
> > remorseless swine of a person and still allow
> them
> > to be the President of the PTA. It's not
> against
> > the law to be "trash"; it is against the law to
> > embezzle money. Now that I think about it,
> being
> > so fat that it's impossible to determine if
> you're
> > "Coyote Ugly" should be against the law. I'm
> > lobbying for the maximum sentence anywhere I
> can
> > do it.
>
> You kind of missed my point. The point is the
> level of outrage is tied to people allegedly being
> duped by someone as lowly as Litsa. If she had
> been a CPA working at a tech firm, the level of
> outrage would be less because people would have
> thought they were outsmarted by someone who was
> intelligent. Instead, Litsa, who is kind of close
> to trailer trash based on the descriptions here,
> has allegedly pulled the wool over the eyes of
> people who thought they were pretty damn special
> when, in fact, they aren't.
Believe it or not, I agree with you that I may have missed your point. You should realize by now that the emotions associated with this issue sometimes overcome reasoning. Actually, before the embezzlement became public, no one knew much or had the time in their day to think Litsa was trailer trash or anything else. We saw her a couple of times around the school and at a few PTA functions and I don't see how anyone with only indirect contact with her could assess her income level or social status or would even care.
The outrage has occurred after the crime occurred; parents at Navy weren't sitting around sniping about Litsa or the PTA. Fund raisers came up, you gave money supposedly to be used for the benefit of students and teachers. This is no different at the most affluent or the least affluent elementary schools in Fairfax County. It's a normal parent expectation; it has nothing to do with Navy parents being social climbers or not. Any group of parents would be outraged and logically Navy parents are outraged.
Making it worse is a lot of hearsay, maybe true, maybe not, saying that Litsa committed similar transgressions in the past and that she is walking the halls of Chantilly High School looking for new opportunities to be around cash collections, showing no remorse whatsoever.
And if I'm doing social climbing it should feel a lot better than I do at the end of a day. Further to the point, if even a small group of outraged Navy parents were wealthy, social climbers a separate lawsuit could be filed that could force Litsa & her husband to file bankruptcy and pay back at least more than the $50/month that some people have estimated will be the punishment.
As I said before, Litsa doesn't even qualify to be a rodent on any Navy parent's radar screen. It's normal to want to get the money back to the PTA, so it can be used for the purpose originally intended. Until I get wealthy and can do the social climbing thing, maybe never, I like feeling normal and all the Navy parents I know are simply normal. If we keep working hard we should be able to start the social climbing thing about the time we are eligible for Social Security.
I want her penalized to the fullest extent of the law and as much money extracted from her as society can possibly get. That would be normal; it has nothing to do with Fairfax County or social climbing.
I got your point and it would be valid if your description fit the majority of Navy parents, but it doesn't. Thank you for causing me to reflect on why I am so outraged.
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> Middle Class Parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > You're right, it's embarrassing to have been
> had
> > by someone who is lower than whale manure on
> the
> > bottom of any ocean. It's a great learning
> > opportunity, though, for our children. We get
> to
> > show our children that we can observe a slimy,
> > remorseless swine of a person and still allow
> them
> > to be the President of the PTA. It's not
> against
> > the law to be "trash"; it is against the law to
> > embezzle money. Now that I think about it,
> being
> > so fat that it's impossible to determine if
> you're
> > "Coyote Ugly" should be against the law. I'm
> > lobbying for the maximum sentence anywhere I
> can
> > do it.
>
> You kind of missed my point. The point is the
> level of outrage is tied to people allegedly being
> duped by someone as lowly as Litsa. If she had
> been a CPA working at a tech firm, the level of
> outrage would be less because people would have
> thought they were outsmarted by someone who was
> intelligent. Instead, Litsa, who is kind of close
> to trailer trash based on the descriptions here,
> has allegedly pulled the wool over the eyes of
> people who thought they were pretty damn special
> when, in fact, they aren't.
Believe it or not, I agree with you that I may have missed your point. You should realize by now that the emotions associated with this issue sometimes overcome reasoning. Actually, before the embezzlement became public, no one knew much or had the time in their day to think Litsa was trailer trash or anything else. We saw her a couple of times around the school and at a few PTA functions and I don't see how anyone with only indirect contact with her could assess her income level or social status or would even care.
The outrage has occurred after the crime occurred; parents at Navy weren't sitting around sniping about Litsa or the PTA. Fund raisers came up, you gave money supposedly to be used for the benefit of students and teachers. This is no different at the most affluent or the least affluent elementary schools in Fairfax County. It's a normal parent expectation; it has nothing to do with Navy parents being social climbers or not. Any group of parents would be outraged and logically Navy parents are outraged.
Making it worse is a lot of hearsay, maybe true, maybe not, saying that Litsa committed similar transgressions in the past and that she is walking the halls of Chantilly High School looking for new opportunities to be around cash collections, showing no remorse whatsoever.
And if I'm doing social climbing it should feel a lot better than I do at the end of a day. Further to the point, if even a small group of outraged Navy parents were wealthy, social climbers a separate lawsuit could be filed that could force Litsa & her husband to file bankruptcy and pay back at least more than the $50/month that some people have estimated will be the punishment.
As I said before, Litsa doesn't even qualify to be a rodent on any Navy parent's radar screen. It's normal to want to get the money back to the PTA, so it can be used for the purpose originally intended. Until I get wealthy and can do the social climbing thing, maybe never, I like feeling normal and all the Navy parents I know are simply normal. If we keep working hard we should be able to start the social climbing thing about the time we are eligible for Social Security.
I want her penalized to the fullest extent of the law and as much money extracted from her as society can possibly get. That would be normal; it has nothing to do with Fairfax County or social climbing.
I got your point and it would be valid if your description fit the majority of Navy parents, but it doesn't. Thank you for causing me to reflect on why I am so outraged.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Parent
()
Date: January 28, 2008 02:59PM
Social climbing isn't a crime, embezzling is. Like any other group of busy parents in any community, we would like to and need to trust our community volunteers. Every community is built on trust, and the "watch dogs" can only do so much. A determined hustler can find victims anywhere - volunteer organizations like churches, home owners associations, and PTAs are especially vulnerable. Everyone was shocked to learn of a wolf in sheep's clothing in our midst. Is it embarrassing to be scammed? Yes. Did we deserve it more because our community is wealthier on average? No. Sour grapes don't make Litsa's crimes any less repugnant - she stole from rich and poor alike in our community.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 28, 2008 03:44PM
"As I said before, Litsa doesn't even qualify to be a rodent on any Navy parent's radar screen."
"Did we deserve it more because our community is wealthier on average? No."
No, no, class has nothing to do with the level of outrage...right.
Every community may be built on trust, but every nonprofit is supposed to have steps in place to make sure the wolves in sheep's clothing don't fleece the flock. Otherwise, why bother having committees, tax filings, etc. Embezzling is a crime. But expecting someone else - anyone else - to do due diligence without doing your homework is a shame.
"Did we deserve it more because our community is wealthier on average? No."
No, no, class has nothing to do with the level of outrage...right.
Every community may be built on trust, but every nonprofit is supposed to have steps in place to make sure the wolves in sheep's clothing don't fleece the flock. Otherwise, why bother having committees, tax filings, etc. Embezzling is a crime. But expecting someone else - anyone else - to do due diligence without doing your homework is a shame.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Parent
()
Date: January 28, 2008 04:44PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> Every community may be built on trust, but every
> nonprofit is supposed to have steps in place to
> make sure the wolves in sheep's clothing don't
> fleece the flock. Otherwise, why bother having
> committees, tax filings, etc. Embezzling is a
> crime. But expecting someone else - anyone else -
> to do due diligence without doing your homework is
> a shame.
I don't think any parent or volunteer (not on the board) knew how much money was really being collected. As a parent with children who attend Navy and working 2 jobs to make ends meet, I didn't have time to know. When folks step up to take the volunteer board positions, is there a class they have to take? I don't think so. Most of the volunteers were Moms who did the best they "knew" how to do. We are all a lot more educated now, certainly, even if it was in a painful way.
It is sad about the shadow that Litsa has left over the folks who genuinely step up and want to truly help make our school a better place. She has left such a bad taste in everyone's mouths. Hopefully, families will participate more and use their voice as to how donations and dollars are used in the future. I know the current PTO (who took on the job before they knew a crime was committed) is doing everything possible to keep this from happening again. Perhaps that will be one of the good things to come out of all this.
The current PTO, who officially represents the families and teachers at the school, should take the lead in making sure that a judgment is filed against Litsa when all is said and done. (We all know how she is going to plea.) I know they want to focus on the future, and that is great, but we owe it to the people who come after us to make sure Litsa is not able to take advantage of others again. (A felony conviction of "embezzlement over $200"....even if it is 2 counts, does not do justice to what really happened.)
She needs a $180,000 judgment on her public record and credit report that will follow her until it is satisfied....which will probably be never....but at least any employer, school, or other group won't have to get the court records to know the true amount of this travesty. The unfortunate thing is that you can't put a price on how this has affected the trust in the community.
It might be early to ask now, and I know you have been through a lot... but please....PTO, do this to protect any other organization that might come in contact with Litsa in the future. There are those in the community who will help.
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> Every community may be built on trust, but every
> nonprofit is supposed to have steps in place to
> make sure the wolves in sheep's clothing don't
> fleece the flock. Otherwise, why bother having
> committees, tax filings, etc. Embezzling is a
> crime. But expecting someone else - anyone else -
> to do due diligence without doing your homework is
> a shame.
I don't think any parent or volunteer (not on the board) knew how much money was really being collected. As a parent with children who attend Navy and working 2 jobs to make ends meet, I didn't have time to know. When folks step up to take the volunteer board positions, is there a class they have to take? I don't think so. Most of the volunteers were Moms who did the best they "knew" how to do. We are all a lot more educated now, certainly, even if it was in a painful way.
It is sad about the shadow that Litsa has left over the folks who genuinely step up and want to truly help make our school a better place. She has left such a bad taste in everyone's mouths. Hopefully, families will participate more and use their voice as to how donations and dollars are used in the future. I know the current PTO (who took on the job before they knew a crime was committed) is doing everything possible to keep this from happening again. Perhaps that will be one of the good things to come out of all this.
The current PTO, who officially represents the families and teachers at the school, should take the lead in making sure that a judgment is filed against Litsa when all is said and done. (We all know how she is going to plea.) I know they want to focus on the future, and that is great, but we owe it to the people who come after us to make sure Litsa is not able to take advantage of others again. (A felony conviction of "embezzlement over $200"....even if it is 2 counts, does not do justice to what really happened.)
She needs a $180,000 judgment on her public record and credit report that will follow her until it is satisfied....which will probably be never....but at least any employer, school, or other group won't have to get the court records to know the true amount of this travesty. The unfortunate thing is that you can't put a price on how this has affected the trust in the community.
It might be early to ask now, and I know you have been through a lot... but please....PTO, do this to protect any other organization that might come in contact with Litsa in the future. There are those in the community who will help.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 28, 2008 07:10PM
"The current PTO, who officially represents the families and teachers at the school, should take the lead in making sure that a judgment is filed against Litsa when all is said and done."
The PTA did such a good time last time, so it only makes sense to trust the PTO.
Hey, I have an idea. Why don't YOU take the lead and file a judgment?
Once again you are only to happy to dump this off on somebody else and assume something will be done correctly. No wonder you guys got ripped off.
(Oh, and stop with the "we're just dumb moms" routine. Please. You are adults who went to school and who should know better than to plead "stupid" by gender. It's insulting to everyone who reads it.)
The PTA did such a good time last time, so it only makes sense to trust the PTO.
Hey, I have an idea. Why don't YOU take the lead and file a judgment?
Once again you are only to happy to dump this off on somebody else and assume something will be done correctly. No wonder you guys got ripped off.
(Oh, and stop with the "we're just dumb moms" routine. Please. You are adults who went to school and who should know better than to plead "stupid" by gender. It's insulting to everyone who reads it.)
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To Washingtonelocian
()
Date: January 28, 2008 08:34PM
You seem like such a nasty, angry person. Why??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Parent
()
Date: January 28, 2008 08:44PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> Hey, I have an idea. Why don't YOU take the lead
> and file a judgment?
If the PTO does not....I probably will.
In fact, wouldn't it be something if all 800 families filed their own suit?
But, the current PTO seems to be doing a good job of handling current issues in spite of the devistation that Litsa left behind. They do represent the Parents and Teachers who are members of the current PTO, however. I think it would be a better, more focused effort if we all got together under one umbrella and it would probably would be a more effective use of the courts time, dontcha think?
The previous post asks a good question, what made you such an angry and nasty sounding person? My heart goes out to you.
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> Hey, I have an idea. Why don't YOU take the lead
> and file a judgment?
If the PTO does not....I probably will.
In fact, wouldn't it be something if all 800 families filed their own suit?
But, the current PTO seems to be doing a good job of handling current issues in spite of the devistation that Litsa left behind. They do represent the Parents and Teachers who are members of the current PTO, however. I think it would be a better, more focused effort if we all got together under one umbrella and it would probably would be a more effective use of the courts time, dontcha think?
The previous post asks a good question, what made you such an angry and nasty sounding person? My heart goes out to you.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Navy Parent
()
Date: January 29, 2008 08:47AM
Yes, it would be great if all volunteers did their jobs to the Nth degree. But the fact is, most people don't do even their paid jobs to the Nth degree, witness red-faced auditors at Bank Societe Generale this week, with $7.2 BILLION in missed trading losses. Yes, controls need to be in place and executed well, but a determined insider who knows the system (like Litsa did) will always find a way around controls. That's why our society needs to work it from both ends - do our best to track and control, but also PUNISH when these systems fail. Litsa deserves to pay, and our society needs to recognize these are NOT victimless crimes - and punish accordingly. Otherwise we will continue to get more of the same - and any community could be next.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
What a waste
()
Date: January 29, 2008 09:27AM
This board has become such a waste of internet usage. You have all talked about what you were going to do, there have been 3-4 hearings and 99.9% of you didn't attend. All that super sluething and amatuer police work has proved as useless as I thought it would be. Quit crying and whining, and take Washintonelocian advice and take some real action, file a judgement, write the DA, attend a hearing, whatever it takes, but quit playing the poor victim and feeling sorry for yourselves!!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 29, 2008 09:54AM
To Washingtonelocian Wrote:
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> You seem like such a nasty, angry person. Why??
I'm not nasty or angry. I'm pointing out certain truths. You folks want somebody else to do your job for you. Nobody seemed to have had the guts to stand up to Litsa when she was at the Navy PTA. Even worse, none of you seem to be talking to the folks at CYA and Chantilly High to warn them about Litsa's alleged activities now. All you do is come on here and complain about Litsa and then, as another poster mentioned, DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.
If it is this important to you, go to a hearing. Contact the DA, etc. But don't sit here and bitch anonymously about this situation and feel like you are actually being productive or helpful. You aren't.
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> You seem like such a nasty, angry person. Why??
I'm not nasty or angry. I'm pointing out certain truths. You folks want somebody else to do your job for you. Nobody seemed to have had the guts to stand up to Litsa when she was at the Navy PTA. Even worse, none of you seem to be talking to the folks at CYA and Chantilly High to warn them about Litsa's alleged activities now. All you do is come on here and complain about Litsa and then, as another poster mentioned, DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.
If it is this important to you, go to a hearing. Contact the DA, etc. But don't sit here and bitch anonymously about this situation and feel like you are actually being productive or helpful. You aren't.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 29, 2008 09:57AM
Navy Parent Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hey, I have an idea. Why don't YOU take the
> lead
> > and file a judgment?
>
>
> If the PTO does not....I probably will.
>
I highly doubt it. You didn't do due diligence in the first place, you won't now.
> In fact, wouldn't it be something if all 800
> families filed their own suit?
>
I would be surprised if one did.
> But, the current PTO seems to be doing a good job
> of handling current issues in spite of the
> devistation that Litsa left behind.
I'm sure the PTA seemed to be doing a good job before.
They do
> represent the Parents and Teachers who are members
> of the current PTO, however. I think it would be
> a better, more focused effort if we all got
> together under one umbrella and it would probably
> would be a more effective use of the courts time,
> dontcha think?
>
I do think. Why don't you organize it, per my previous post, instead of complaining anonymously about Litsa?
> The previous post asks a good question, what made
> you such an angry and nasty sounding person? My
> heart goes out to you.
Maybe your heart should go out to the people at CYA and Chantilly High. Why don't you and your buddies at Navy make some phone calls and warn people? Go out on a limb, if you believe what you say about Litsa.
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hey, I have an idea. Why don't YOU take the
> lead
> > and file a judgment?
>
>
> If the PTO does not....I probably will.
>
I highly doubt it. You didn't do due diligence in the first place, you won't now.
> In fact, wouldn't it be something if all 800
> families filed their own suit?
>
I would be surprised if one did.
> But, the current PTO seems to be doing a good job
> of handling current issues in spite of the
> devistation that Litsa left behind.
I'm sure the PTA seemed to be doing a good job before.
They do
> represent the Parents and Teachers who are members
> of the current PTO, however. I think it would be
> a better, more focused effort if we all got
> together under one umbrella and it would probably
> would be a more effective use of the courts time,
> dontcha think?
>
I do think. Why don't you organize it, per my previous post, instead of complaining anonymously about Litsa?
> The previous post asks a good question, what made
> you such an angry and nasty sounding person? My
> heart goes out to you.
Maybe your heart should go out to the people at CYA and Chantilly High. Why don't you and your buddies at Navy make some phone calls and warn people? Go out on a limb, if you believe what you say about Litsa.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
To Washingtonlocian
()
Date: January 29, 2008 07:33PM
Sorry....but you are sooooo uninformed.
The criminal case is in process. Patience. Don't want to show all of our cards at this point.
The criminal case is in process. Patience. Don't want to show all of our cards at this point.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 29, 2008 07:49PM
To Washingtonlocian Wrote:
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> Sorry....but you are sooooo uninformed.
>
> The criminal case is in process. Patience. Don't
> want to show all of our cards at this point.
You are working for the Prosecution now? Odds are the Prosecutor's office will lay everything on the table in order to get a plea deal. There are no surprises in a courtroom like on Perry Mason.
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> Sorry....but you are sooooo uninformed.
>
> The criminal case is in process. Patience. Don't
> want to show all of our cards at this point.
You are working for the Prosecution now? Odds are the Prosecutor's office will lay everything on the table in order to get a plea deal. There are no surprises in a courtroom like on Perry Mason.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Court?
()
Date: February 12, 2008 08:35AM
When is the next court date? It is during Navy's Spring Break?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Court Date
()
Date: February 17, 2008 01:59PM
I think it is March 4....can anyone confirm?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Confirmed!!
()
Date: February 17, 2008 02:24PM
I can confirm that Litsa is fat and ugly and stole 180,000 for idiots.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Confirmed
()
Date: February 17, 2008 02:24PM
Excuse me....FROM idiots.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
March 4
()
Date: February 17, 2008 02:35PM
It is either March 4 or March 8
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Another Lurker
()
Date: February 18, 2008 07:16PM
March 4 Wrote:
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> It is either March 4 or March 8
Since March 8 is a Saturday, I'm guessing that isn't it...
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> It is either March 4 or March 8
Since March 8 is a Saturday, I'm guessing that isn't it...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
latest white collar crime!
()
Date: February 21, 2008 04:41PM
The priest in Louisa County embezzled $591K received the maximum 63 months prison time and ordered to pay back every dime. Embezzlement took place over 5 year period. "systematically, over five years"
His attorney requested leniency because of heart issues and stress.
Ha! Sound familiar. Can only hope Litsa has the same judge. 10 months per 100K. 20 months for Litsa!
His attorney requested leniency because of heart issues and stress.
Ha! Sound familiar. Can only hope Litsa has the same judge. 10 months per 100K. 20 months for Litsa!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Too Bad
()
Date: February 21, 2008 04:50PM
latest white collar crime! Wrote:
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> The priest in Louisa County embezzled $591K
> received the maximum 63 months prison time and
> ordered to pay back every dime. Embezzlement took
> place over 5 year period. "systematically, over
> five years"
>
> His attorney requested leniency because of heart
> issues and stress.
>
> Ha! Sound familiar. Can only hope Litsa has the
> same judge. 10 months per 100K. 20 months for
> Litsa!
I hate to rain on your parade, but the two cases are not even comparable. The priest was sentenced in FEDERAL court, Litsa is facing charges in STATE court. Additionally, the two faced different charges. The priest was charged with wire fraud, not just embezzlement. She certainly won't get the same judge as he is a FEDERAL judge. Another poster above mentioned what defendents in FFX get for embezzlement. That is more of an indicator of what Litsa will get, not the priest.
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> The priest in Louisa County embezzled $591K
> received the maximum 63 months prison time and
> ordered to pay back every dime. Embezzlement took
> place over 5 year period. "systematically, over
> five years"
>
> His attorney requested leniency because of heart
> issues and stress.
>
> Ha! Sound familiar. Can only hope Litsa has the
> same judge. 10 months per 100K. 20 months for
> Litsa!
I hate to rain on your parade, but the two cases are not even comparable. The priest was sentenced in FEDERAL court, Litsa is facing charges in STATE court. Additionally, the two faced different charges. The priest was charged with wire fraud, not just embezzlement. She certainly won't get the same judge as he is a FEDERAL judge. Another poster above mentioned what defendents in FFX get for embezzlement. That is more of an indicator of what Litsa will get, not the priest.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
just a comparison
()
Date: February 21, 2008 06:21PM
Only pointing out white collar crimes attract longer sentences and penalties. I was not giving a detail exact comparison. Did not intend to draw out a full diagram. Not holding my breath for a parade.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Too Bad
()
Date: February 21, 2008 09:58PM
just a comparison Wrote:
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> Only pointing out white collar crimes attract
> longer sentences and penalties. I was not giving
> a detail exact comparison. Did not intend to draw
> out a full diagram. Not holding my breath for a
> parade.
I disagree. As a previous poster pointed out, there were two recent high profile embezzling cases in the county and both defendants got off pretty easy:
1. Fr. Salvator Ciullo, a priest of the Arlington, Va., diocese, received a five-year sentence for embezzling funds from two diocesan parishes, but the sentence was suspended on the condition the priest pay restitution and successfully complete two years of supervised probation. Ciullo, 71, has agreed to repay more than $1.1 million to the diocese.
2. Robert M. Short, 39, of Arlington admitted in April that in 2003 he had written checks to himself totaling $439,006 from the law firm of Trapeni, Romero & Morrison, where he was renting space, and that he deposited all but $3,000 in the trust account he used in his capacity as a lawyer. He also acknowledged illegally taking $63,709 that he had either gotten from clients as fees or received from people to be paid to clients. Fairfax Circuit Court Judge Leslie Alden in June sentenced Short to only four months in jail for the embezzlement. She also ordered him to make restitution of $245,000, at a rate of $50 a month.
I think this is "just a BETTER comparison."
-------------------------------------------------------
> Only pointing out white collar crimes attract
> longer sentences and penalties. I was not giving
> a detail exact comparison. Did not intend to draw
> out a full diagram. Not holding my breath for a
> parade.
I disagree. As a previous poster pointed out, there were two recent high profile embezzling cases in the county and both defendants got off pretty easy:
1. Fr. Salvator Ciullo, a priest of the Arlington, Va., diocese, received a five-year sentence for embezzling funds from two diocesan parishes, but the sentence was suspended on the condition the priest pay restitution and successfully complete two years of supervised probation. Ciullo, 71, has agreed to repay more than $1.1 million to the diocese.
2. Robert M. Short, 39, of Arlington admitted in April that in 2003 he had written checks to himself totaling $439,006 from the law firm of Trapeni, Romero & Morrison, where he was renting space, and that he deposited all but $3,000 in the trust account he used in his capacity as a lawyer. He also acknowledged illegally taking $63,709 that he had either gotten from clients as fees or received from people to be paid to clients. Fairfax Circuit Court Judge Leslie Alden in June sentenced Short to only four months in jail for the embezzlement. She also ordered him to make restitution of $245,000, at a rate of $50 a month.
I think this is "just a BETTER comparison."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: February 22, 2008 09:27AM
Too Bad Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> just a comparison Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Only pointing out white collar crimes attract
> > longer sentences and penalties. I was not
> giving
> > a detail exact comparison. Did not intend to
> draw
> > out a full diagram. Not holding my breath for
> a
> > parade.
>
> I disagree. As a previous poster pointed out,
> there were two recent high profile embezzling
> cases in the county and both defendants got off
> pretty easy:
>
> 1. Fr. Salvator Ciullo, a priest of the Arlington,
> Va., diocese, received a five-year sentence for
> embezzling funds from two diocesan parishes, but
> the sentence was suspended on the condition the
> priest pay restitution and successfully complete
> two years of supervised probation. Ciullo, 71, has
> agreed to repay more than $1.1 million to the
> diocese.
>
> 2. Robert M. Short, 39, of Arlington admitted in
> April that in 2003 he had written checks to
> himself totaling $439,006 from the law firm of
> Trapeni, Romero & Morrison, where he was renting
> space, and that he deposited all but $3,000 in the
> trust account he used in his capacity as a lawyer.
> He also acknowledged illegally taking $63,709 that
> he had either gotten from clients as fees or
> received from people to be paid to clients.
> Fairfax Circuit Court Judge Leslie Alden in June
> sentenced Short to only four months in jail for
> the embezzlement. She also ordered him to make
> restitution of $245,000, at a rate of $50 a month.
>
>
> I think this is "just a BETTER comparison."
Actually, these aren't great comparisons for two important reasons:
1. Litsa allegedly embezzled a lot less money.
2. Litsa could persuasively argue that most of her expenses were related to her role overseeing the PTA. The PTA members may not like how the money was spent, but there is a distinction to be made between embezzlement and poor money management. The fact that there was apparently little or no oversight of the funds could support either scenario.
-------------------------------------------------------
> just a comparison Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Only pointing out white collar crimes attract
> > longer sentences and penalties. I was not
> giving
> > a detail exact comparison. Did not intend to
> draw
> > out a full diagram. Not holding my breath for
> a
> > parade.
>
> I disagree. As a previous poster pointed out,
> there were two recent high profile embezzling
> cases in the county and both defendants got off
> pretty easy:
>
> 1. Fr. Salvator Ciullo, a priest of the Arlington,
> Va., diocese, received a five-year sentence for
> embezzling funds from two diocesan parishes, but
> the sentence was suspended on the condition the
> priest pay restitution and successfully complete
> two years of supervised probation. Ciullo, 71, has
> agreed to repay more than $1.1 million to the
> diocese.
>
> 2. Robert M. Short, 39, of Arlington admitted in
> April that in 2003 he had written checks to
> himself totaling $439,006 from the law firm of
> Trapeni, Romero & Morrison, where he was renting
> space, and that he deposited all but $3,000 in the
> trust account he used in his capacity as a lawyer.
> He also acknowledged illegally taking $63,709 that
> he had either gotten from clients as fees or
> received from people to be paid to clients.
> Fairfax Circuit Court Judge Leslie Alden in June
> sentenced Short to only four months in jail for
> the embezzlement. She also ordered him to make
> restitution of $245,000, at a rate of $50 a month.
>
>
> I think this is "just a BETTER comparison."
Actually, these aren't great comparisons for two important reasons:
1. Litsa allegedly embezzled a lot less money.
2. Litsa could persuasively argue that most of her expenses were related to her role overseeing the PTA. The PTA members may not like how the money was spent, but there is a distinction to be made between embezzlement and poor money management. The fact that there was apparently little or no oversight of the funds could support either scenario.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Too Bad
()
Date: February 22, 2008 09:47AM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Actually, these aren't great comparisons for two
> important reasons:
>
> 1. Litsa allegedly embezzled a lot less money.
>
> 2. Litsa could persuasively argue that most of her
> expenses were related to her role overseeing the
> PTA. The PTA members may not like how the money
> was spent, but there is a distinction to be made
> between embezzlement and poor money management.
> The fact that there was apparently little or no
> oversight of the funds could support either
> scenario.
Good points. I was simply pointing out two cases in the same court system, in the same jurisdiction, and with the same underlying charges where the defendants received far less prison time than the priest in Louisa County. The main point was to supprt the premise that Mrs. Mattfeld will serve little, if any, time in prison and will have a paltry restitution schedule.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Actually, these aren't great comparisons for two
> important reasons:
>
> 1. Litsa allegedly embezzled a lot less money.
>
> 2. Litsa could persuasively argue that most of her
> expenses were related to her role overseeing the
> PTA. The PTA members may not like how the money
> was spent, but there is a distinction to be made
> between embezzlement and poor money management.
> The fact that there was apparently little or no
> oversight of the funds could support either
> scenario.
Good points. I was simply pointing out two cases in the same court system, in the same jurisdiction, and with the same underlying charges where the defendants received far less prison time than the priest in Louisa County. The main point was to supprt the premise that Mrs. Mattfeld will serve little, if any, time in prison and will have a paltry restitution schedule.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
both noted
()
Date: February 22, 2008 10:55AM
I will go with alledgedly, because we have not seen the evidence with our own eyes. But I think 180K is a low number and she could potentially have been convicted of additional funds. 30K a year in expenses? An exec for a corporate company.
Fraudualent to one's own use, Lets just say she "did" have expenses for 180K for her volunteer position. What? gas, cell phone, wear and tear on her car, rent. "If" Navy spend 180K and she was reimbursed, on WHAT? Gold statue? Navy parents paid for every event their kids went too, participated in three fundraisers per year, paid for field trips, paid for classroom parties, donated to "sick" teachers funds, paid for teachers gifts, Can't wait to see the official records after this trial is over. I am sure the request for funds has reduced since Litsa has left? Am I correct...
Little or no oversight? So Litsa automatically can take the money? and use it as Litsa choose too? Because no one asking questions. Sounds like a lawyer reading between the lines to spring their client. Or the accused criminal justifying theft. Strictly an opinion.
Fraudualent to one's own use, Lets just say she "did" have expenses for 180K for her volunteer position. What? gas, cell phone, wear and tear on her car, rent. "If" Navy spend 180K and she was reimbursed, on WHAT? Gold statue? Navy parents paid for every event their kids went too, participated in three fundraisers per year, paid for field trips, paid for classroom parties, donated to "sick" teachers funds, paid for teachers gifts, Can't wait to see the official records after this trial is over. I am sure the request for funds has reduced since Litsa has left? Am I correct...
Little or no oversight? So Litsa automatically can take the money? and use it as Litsa choose too? Because no one asking questions. Sounds like a lawyer reading between the lines to spring their client. Or the accused criminal justifying theft. Strictly an opinion.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: February 22, 2008 12:29PM
Little or no oversight in terms of Litsa being given no parameters by the board in terms of what could and couldn't be expensed on behalf of the PTA. Does she have receipts that show she used the funds to help subsidize the field trips, classroom parties, teacher's gifts, etc? Probably not. But are their receipts that show she used those funds for personal expenses? I don't know. Everything I have read here, and I don't know the woman at all, indicates she wasn't living beyond her means.
I think it could be hard for prosecutors to prove malicious intent, especially if there are some clueless dupes at the Navy PTA who will stand up for her. You can't convict the woman for incompetence, and that may be what her lawyers plead.
I think it could be hard for prosecutors to prove malicious intent, especially if there are some clueless dupes at the Navy PTA who will stand up for her. You can't convict the woman for incompetence, and that may be what her lawyers plead.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: February 23, 2008 04:30PM
LOL, the problem is that she was caught trying to withdrawal money out of a PTO account that wasn't suppose to exist. How does she explain that?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: February 23, 2008 05:18PM
Lurker. Wrote:
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> LOL, the problem is that she was caught trying to
> withdrawal money out of a PTO account that wasn't
> suppose to exist. How does she explain that?
Given that there appeared to be little oversight, it is totally plausible that Litsa wasn't informed of the account change and she was trying to access the funds for a PTA-related expense. I'm not saying that is what happened. I'm saying that is a BS line of defense she might try to get away with.
-------------------------------------------------------
> LOL, the problem is that she was caught trying to
> withdrawal money out of a PTO account that wasn't
> suppose to exist. How does she explain that?
Given that there appeared to be little oversight, it is totally plausible that Litsa wasn't informed of the account change and she was trying to access the funds for a PTA-related expense. I'm not saying that is what happened. I'm saying that is a BS line of defense she might try to get away with.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
dont forget
()
Date: February 26, 2008 01:21PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Too Bad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >>
> 1. Litsa allegedly embezzled a lot less money.
>
> 2. Litsa could persuasively argue that most of her
> expenses were related to her role overseeing the
> PTA. The PTA members may not like how the money
> was spent, but there is a distinction to be made
> between embezzlement and poor money management.
> The fact that there was apparently little or no
> oversight of the funds could support either
> scenario.
How will the thief explain accessing funds AFTER she was out of office? She is conniving but I am confident the justice system will prevail and she will get her well deserved jail time and have to repay. She is a vile person.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Too Bad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >>
> 1. Litsa allegedly embezzled a lot less money.
>
> 2. Litsa could persuasively argue that most of her
> expenses were related to her role overseeing the
> PTA. The PTA members may not like how the money
> was spent, but there is a distinction to be made
> between embezzlement and poor money management.
> The fact that there was apparently little or no
> oversight of the funds could support either
> scenario.
How will the thief explain accessing funds AFTER she was out of office? She is conniving but I am confident the justice system will prevail and she will get her well deserved jail time and have to repay. She is a vile person.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lopter
()
Date: March 02, 2008 07:06PM
Bets on Litsa's trial tomorrow?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
get it right
()
Date: March 02, 2008 09:06PM
Her hearing is Tuesday at 10am.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Location?? Court Room?
()
Date: March 02, 2008 11:17PM
Tuesday at 10 am........ but what court room ?
Is the Circuit Court at the same location off of Main Street as the District Court?
Is the Circuit Court at the same location off of Main Street as the District Court?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: March 03, 2008 10:40AM
So I am assuming that there will be a lot of Navy PTA parents there. I imagine we will have all kinds of updates tomorrow afternoon. Is this a correct assumption? Or are there going to be a bunch of no-shows like before?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: March 03, 2008 05:07PM
Looks like we find out tomorrow
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Court Hearing Today 10am
()
Date: March 04, 2008 08:05AM
Litsa's plea hearing is today at 10 am in court room 5E.
The grand jury has charged her. She is expected to plead guilty to the two felony embezzlement counts under the condition that no additional charges will be brought.
There is no plea agreement on the sentencing and restitution. The sentencing hearing date will be determined during today's hearing.
The grand jury has charged her. She is expected to plead guilty to the two felony embezzlement counts under the condition that no additional charges will be brought.
There is no plea agreement on the sentencing and restitution. The sentencing hearing date will be determined during today's hearing.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: March 04, 2008 09:19AM
Court Hearing Today 10am Wrote:
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> Litsa's plea hearing is today at 10 am in court
> room 5E.
>
> The grand jury has charged her. She is expected
> to plead guilty to the two felony embezzlement
> counts under the condition that no additional
> charges will be brought.
>
> There is no plea agreement on the sentencing and
> restitution. The sentencing hearing date will be
> determined during today's hearing.
What do you mean she is pleading guilty to two felony charges with no plea agreement on sentencing? I find that very hard to believe. Is she throwing herself on the mercy of the court??? (Hope she doesn't crush it).
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> Litsa's plea hearing is today at 10 am in court
> room 5E.
>
> The grand jury has charged her. She is expected
> to plead guilty to the two felony embezzlement
> counts under the condition that no additional
> charges will be brought.
>
> There is no plea agreement on the sentencing and
> restitution. The sentencing hearing date will be
> determined during today's hearing.
What do you mean she is pleading guilty to two felony charges with no plea agreement on sentencing? I find that very hard to believe. Is she throwing herself on the mercy of the court??? (Hope she doesn't crush it).
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Guilty - Guilty - Guilty
()
Date: March 04, 2008 11:49AM
Litsa plead guilty to both counts of embezzlement.
The sentencing hearing is set for May 30
The sentencing hearing is set for May 30
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: March 04, 2008 12:22PM
Guilty - Guilty - Guilty Wrote:
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> Litsa plead guilty to both counts of
> embezzlement.
>
> The sentencing hearing is set for May 30
They may be saying there is no plea deal, but I would venture to guess there must be a plea deal.
Well, at least I can stop using the term "allegedly."
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> Litsa plead guilty to both counts of
> embezzlement.
>
> The sentencing hearing is set for May 30
They may be saying there is no plea deal, but I would venture to guess there must be a plea deal.
Well, at least I can stop using the term "allegedly."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker..
()
Date: March 04, 2008 02:35PM
Guilty - Guilty - Guilty Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Litsa plead guilty to both counts of
> embezzlement.
>
> The sentencing hearing is set for May 30
It will be interesting to see what the sentence is.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Litsa plead guilty to both counts of
> embezzlement.
>
> The sentencing hearing is set for May 30
It will be interesting to see what the sentence is.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
only agreement
()
Date: March 04, 2008 04:12PM
The only agreement is that Litsa plead guilty to two felony counts and the rest would not be brought up. The Commonwealth's Attorney could have charged her with several felony counts. A felony count is one check over $200.
At this time, there is no agreement to jail time or restitution payment. It is all open and up to the sentencing judge.
At this time, there is no agreement to jail time or restitution payment. It is all open and up to the sentencing judge.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Judge took notes
()
Date: March 04, 2008 05:41PM
The judge was very busy taking notes during the prosecutor's statement of the evidence. The great thing is that the full $180,000 embezzled amount was in the statement, showing the full impact of what could be documented by the forensic accounting detective.
The commonwealth agreed to not seek additional felony charges provided Litsa plead guilty to the two charges that were brought. That is the plea arrangement.
She did plead Guilty to both charges. She will not be able to appeal. She faces 1-20 years for each count. The judge explained in great detail what the possibilities were in sentencing.
There is currently no plea agreement affecting the sentencing. This will be at the discretion of the judge.
Litsa agreed to pay restitution, however, the amount has not been agreed to by the prosecutor or her attorney.
If this detail is not agreed to by May 30, then a restitution hearing will be held during the same time as the sentencing hearing. The prosecution was told to have their witnesses ready May 30.
Litsa was told to meet with the parole board before she left the building.
Mark your calendars.
The commonwealth agreed to not seek additional felony charges provided Litsa plead guilty to the two charges that were brought. That is the plea arrangement.
She did plead Guilty to both charges. She will not be able to appeal. She faces 1-20 years for each count. The judge explained in great detail what the possibilities were in sentencing.
There is currently no plea agreement affecting the sentencing. This will be at the discretion of the judge.
Litsa agreed to pay restitution, however, the amount has not been agreed to by the prosecutor or her attorney.
If this detail is not agreed to by May 30, then a restitution hearing will be held during the same time as the sentencing hearing. The prosecution was told to have their witnesses ready May 30.
Litsa was told to meet with the parole board before she left the building.
Mark your calendars.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Judge Judy
()
Date: March 04, 2008 08:36PM
Judge took notes Wrote:
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>
Excerpt of Judge's notes:
My God. This woman is immense!! Holy Christ! I'm surprised she hasn't had a heart attack yet! And that smell!!! Is that coming from her?? It smells like ASS!
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>
Excerpt of Judge's notes:
My God. This woman is immense!! Holy Christ! I'm surprised she hasn't had a heart attack yet! And that smell!!! Is that coming from her?? It smells like ASS!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: March 05, 2008 06:01PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> Dr. Navy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingTonLocian you are an outsider and have
> no
> > idea what you are talking about regarding Navy
> > Elementary.
>
>
> I know how Fairfax County social climbers think.
> They are all the same and I am right.
social climbers in fairfax county?
give me a break.
there isn't even a social scene in this area of Fairfax County... especially at Navy school
seriously, most of the women here are into their families and friends.
there are a few petty, shallow women, sure... but they are only "popular" in their own minds.
no one pays much attention to them or to their obnoxious kids.
so, washingtonian, you really don't know what you're talking about.
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> Dr. Navy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingTonLocian you are an outsider and have
> no
> > idea what you are talking about regarding Navy
> > Elementary.
>
>
> I know how Fairfax County social climbers think.
> They are all the same and I am right.
social climbers in fairfax county?
give me a break.
there isn't even a social scene in this area of Fairfax County... especially at Navy school
seriously, most of the women here are into their families and friends.
there are a few petty, shallow women, sure... but they are only "popular" in their own minds.
no one pays much attention to them or to their obnoxious kids.
so, washingtonian, you really don't know what you're talking about.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker..
()
Date: March 07, 2008 10:47AM
No social scene in Northern Va? Apparently you haven't been hanging out at the Country Clubs with the bored housewives.
There is a HUGE social scene in Northern Va. Hangout with business owners, area CEO's and Washington politicians that have houses in Northern Va and you'll see all the women comparing their cars and wedding rings.
There is a HUGE social scene in Northern Va. Hangout with business owners, area CEO's and Washington politicians that have houses in Northern Va and you'll see all the women comparing their cars and wedding rings.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
AbsolutelyRight
()
Date: March 07, 2008 05:46PM
Lurker.. Wrote:
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> No social scene in Northern Va? Apparently you
> haven't been hanging out at the Country Clubs with
> the bored housewives.
>
> There is a HUGE social scene in Northern Va.
> Hangout with business owners, area CEO's and
> Washington politicians that have houses in
> Northern Va and you'll see all the women comparing
> their cars and wedding rings.
You are absolutely right. And the Navy area has one of the biggest groups of these parents! Maybe that's why that other poster is named herself "former navy mom". She didn't make it on the social scene. And don't believe that no one pays attention to their kids, because that's actually the group of kids that gets everything they want, especially at school and in sports.
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> No social scene in Northern Va? Apparently you
> haven't been hanging out at the Country Clubs with
> the bored housewives.
>
> There is a HUGE social scene in Northern Va.
> Hangout with business owners, area CEO's and
> Washington politicians that have houses in
> Northern Va and you'll see all the women comparing
> their cars and wedding rings.
You are absolutely right. And the Navy area has one of the biggest groups of these parents! Maybe that's why that other poster is named herself "former navy mom". She didn't make it on the social scene. And don't believe that no one pays attention to their kids, because that's actually the group of kids that gets everything they want, especially at school and in sports.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
former navy mom
()
Date: March 08, 2008 06:00AM
Lurker.. Wrote:
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> No social scene in Northern Va? Apparently you
> haven't been hanging out at the Country Clubs with
> the bored housewives.
>
> There is a HUGE social scene in Northern Va.
> Hangout with business owners, area CEO's and
> Washington politicians that have houses in
> Northern Va and you'll see all the women comparing
> their cars and wedding rings.
are YOU hanging out with bored housewives at country clubs?
it's obvious that you don't know this area at all nor do you know what a social climber is.
Navy school isn't in McClean.
there is one halfway decent country club in the area, and it's hardly elitist.
If anything, this area's so called "rich" would be considered middle class in McClean.
and as for you AbsolutelyRight, I am a former navy mom because my kids went on to middle school.
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> No social scene in Northern Va? Apparently you
> haven't been hanging out at the Country Clubs with
> the bored housewives.
>
> There is a HUGE social scene in Northern Va.
> Hangout with business owners, area CEO's and
> Washington politicians that have houses in
> Northern Va and you'll see all the women comparing
> their cars and wedding rings.
are YOU hanging out with bored housewives at country clubs?
it's obvious that you don't know this area at all nor do you know what a social climber is.
Navy school isn't in McClean.
there is one halfway decent country club in the area, and it's hardly elitist.
If anything, this area's so called "rich" would be considered middle class in McClean.
and as for you AbsolutelyRight, I am a former navy mom because my kids went on to middle school.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Smarter than a 5th grader?
()
Date: March 13, 2008 08:16PM
McClean = McLean
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Viper
()
Date: March 13, 2008 08:37PM
Former Navy Mom,
If you think there is only one Northern Virginia Country Club and it's in McLean you are sadly mistaken. I take it you moved to this area and didn't grow up here.
If you think there is only one Northern Virginia Country Club and it's in McLean you are sadly mistaken. I take it you moved to this area and didn't grow up here.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Curious
()
Date: April 03, 2008 03:10PM
How are her children doing??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Sad But True
()
Date: April 03, 2008 03:37PM
Curious Wrote:
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> How are her children doing??
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> How are her children doing??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
update
()
Date: April 16, 2008 10:41PM
any update on sentencing or pleas?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Sentencing Hearing May 30
()
Date: April 17, 2008 06:27AM
The sentencing hearing is currently scheduled for MAY 30.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
LitsaM
()
Date: April 23, 2008 05:54PM
Has everyone forgotten about me yet?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: April 23, 2008 07:29PM
> > > Has everyone forgotten about me yet?
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
LitsaM
()
Date: April 25, 2008 02:38PM
I want to stay on page 1.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Litsa M.
()
Date: April 25, 2008 03:21PM
FYI -
I'm a fat criminal.
I'm a fat criminal.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Hair Dresser
()
Date: April 29, 2008 08:01AM
Rumor has it Litsa has dyed her hair black to avoid attention. Any truth to this?
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: April 29, 2008 01:30PM
I'm confused. You write about Litsa and then you post an image of this unrecognizable woman with black hair. What does she have to do with Lista??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Curious
()
Date: May 08, 2008 01:26PM
Just wondering if May 30th is still the date for Litza's court date??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
The Truth
()
Date: May 13, 2008 09:31AM
Yes, sentencing hearing is May 30 and should be a time to send letters to the judge to voice an opinion. So get the word out. The delay in hearing has reduced exposure to the case, BUT anyone with an opinion should use their freedom of speech rights NOW!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
ITRADE
()
Date: May 13, 2008 09:38AM
Do you think she gets enough food in jail?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: May 13, 2008 09:42AM
The Truth Wrote:
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> Yes, sentencing hearing is May 30 and should be a
> time to send letters to the judge to voice an
> opinion. So get the word out. The delay in
> hearing has reduced exposure to the case, BUT
> anyone with an opinion should use their freedom of
> speech rights NOW!
The truth is she will get probation.
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> Yes, sentencing hearing is May 30 and should be a
> time to send letters to the judge to voice an
> opinion. So get the word out. The delay in
> hearing has reduced exposure to the case, BUT
> anyone with an opinion should use their freedom of
> speech rights NOW!
The truth is she will get probation.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: May 21, 2008 09:24AM
The May 30th sentencing hearing is finally going to happen. Jail since she has past proven offenses? Return the $180,000 she stole from the Navy Vale kids?
Are FFX PTA's and PTO's safer to donate to?
Are FFX PTA's and PTO's safer to donate to?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TRICKIE
()
Date: May 21, 2008 10:01AM
My, she is definitely unfortunate looking. I hope she pays that money back.
Trickie
Trickie
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: May 21, 2008 12:08PM
Jester Wrote:
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> The May 30th sentencing hearing is finally going
> to happen. Jail since she has past proven
> offenses? Return the $180,000 she stole from the
> Navy Vale kids?
>
> Are FFX PTA's and PTO's safer to donate to?
There are no proven past offenses. She plead guilty to what she was charged with so any past transgressions - which I understand were never investigated anyway - are moot.
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> The May 30th sentencing hearing is finally going
> to happen. Jail since she has past proven
> offenses? Return the $180,000 she stole from the
> Navy Vale kids?
>
> Are FFX PTA's and PTO's safer to donate to?
There are no proven past offenses. She plead guilty to what she was charged with so any past transgressions - which I understand were never investigated anyway - are moot.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
seems like a lot of money
()
Date: May 21, 2008 12:19PM
How did $180k go missing for so long? I can see someone skimming off of a bakesale or carwash-$100 bucks here and there....but I don't get how you take that much money and people don't notice for awhile??
How much money do PTAs have anyways?
How much money do PTAs have anyways?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: May 21, 2008 12:43PM
seems like a lot of money Wrote:
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> How did $180k go missing for so long? I can see
> someone skimming off of a bakesale or carwash-$100
> bucks here and there....but I don't get how you
> take that much money and people don't notice for
> awhile??
>
> How much money do PTAs have anyways?
Because nobody paid attention. They just handed the books over to Litsa and took her word for it. There was some incredibly poor oversight involved, though nobody with the Navy PTA wants to admit it.
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> How did $180k go missing for so long? I can see
> someone skimming off of a bakesale or carwash-$100
> bucks here and there....but I don't get how you
> take that much money and people don't notice for
> awhile??
>
> How much money do PTAs have anyways?
Because nobody paid attention. They just handed the books over to Litsa and took her word for it. There was some incredibly poor oversight involved, though nobody with the Navy PTA wants to admit it.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
History Teacher
()
Date: May 21, 2008 01:21PM
Apparently so is a pro at these schemes. This is an earlier post from somebody -
I know because she was my boss at the Trade Association in Washington. She was there from 1988-1992ish. She was the Manager of Meetings and Expositions and Membership. It was a very job, she had quite a bit of clout. Example of what she did... We would have a meeting of 500 people at the Waldorf Astoria in NYC...as the Manager of Meetings she would go to the hotel and ask for $1000 for tip money or whaever.... As the contact she would never be questioned by the hotel and as the person in our organization who had complete control over the bill she would bury it somewhere never to be found by auditors...internal finance dept... it was a brilliant scheme...
I know because she was my boss at the Trade Association in Washington. She was there from 1988-1992ish. She was the Manager of Meetings and Expositions and Membership. It was a very job, she had quite a bit of clout. Example of what she did... We would have a meeting of 500 people at the Waldorf Astoria in NYC...as the Manager of Meetings she would go to the hotel and ask for $1000 for tip money or whaever.... As the contact she would never be questioned by the hotel and as the person in our organization who had complete control over the bill she would bury it somewhere never to be found by auditors...internal finance dept... it was a brilliant scheme...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: May 21, 2008 01:30PM
History Teacher Wrote:
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> Apparently so is a pro at these schemes. This is
> an earlier post from somebody -
>
> I know because she was my boss at the Trade
> Association in Washington. She was there from
> 1988-1992ish. She was the Manager of Meetings and
> Expositions and Membership. It was a very job, she
> had quite a bit of clout. Example of what she
> did... We would have a meeting of 500 people at
> the Waldorf Astoria in NYC...as the Manager of
> Meetings she would go to the hotel and ask for
> $1000 for tip money or whaever.... As the contact
> she would never be questioned by the hotel and as
> the person in our organization who had complete
> control over the bill she would bury it somewhere
> never to be found by auditors...internal finance
> dept... it was a brilliant scheme...
That's a pretty good scheme.
However, when the entire budget disappears from the Navy PTA bank account, that should raise some red flags.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Apparently so is a pro at these schemes. This is
> an earlier post from somebody -
>
> I know because she was my boss at the Trade
> Association in Washington. She was there from
> 1988-1992ish. She was the Manager of Meetings and
> Expositions and Membership. It was a very job, she
> had quite a bit of clout. Example of what she
> did... We would have a meeting of 500 people at
> the Waldorf Astoria in NYC...as the Manager of
> Meetings she would go to the hotel and ask for
> $1000 for tip money or whaever.... As the contact
> she would never be questioned by the hotel and as
> the person in our organization who had complete
> control over the bill she would bury it somewhere
> never to be found by auditors...internal finance
> dept... it was a brilliant scheme...
That's a pretty good scheme.
However, when the entire budget disappears from the Navy PTA bank account, that should raise some red flags.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: May 27, 2008 12:27PM
Let the sentencing begin - The sentencing hearing is currently scheduled for MAY 30
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker..
()
Date: May 29, 2008 11:00AM
One more day until we find out the punishment for Litsa
Case Number: GC07180988-00 File Date: 08/23/2007 Complainant: CUMMINGS, E E
Case Number: GC07180988-00 File Date: 08/23/2007 Complainant: CUMMINGS, E E
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lois Lane
()
Date: May 29, 2008 12:27PM
Sentencing has been postponed until July 18th 2008 at 10AM.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: May 29, 2008 12:43PM
Lois Lane Wrote:
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> Sentencing has been postponed until July 18th 2008
> at 10AM.
Ha!
This woman will never see the inside of a prison cell.
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> Sentencing has been postponed until July 18th 2008
> at 10AM.
Ha!
This woman will never see the inside of a prison cell.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Virginia mom
()
Date: May 29, 2008 01:03PM
Why was sentencing postponed?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: May 29, 2008 01:12PM
Virginia mom Wrote:
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> Why was sentencing postponed?
Why was it postponed before? Obviously her lawyers and the DA are up to something.
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> Why was sentencing postponed?
Why was it postponed before? Obviously her lawyers and the DA are up to something.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker..
()
Date: May 29, 2008 01:43PM
Are you sure it was postponed?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
July 18 - New Date
()
Date: May 29, 2008 05:54PM
Postponed until July 18 @ 10:00 am. Postponed because of some kind of medical reason.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: May 29, 2008 08:35PM
July 18 - New Date Wrote:
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> Postponed until July 18 @ 10:00 am. Postponed
> because of some kind of medical reason.
They are postponing the sentencing hearing because of a "medical reason" and you people think she will see time in prison? Seriously, if this isn't a crock of shit being made up to get probation - which the court is apparently falling for - I don't know what is.
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> Postponed until July 18 @ 10:00 am. Postponed
> because of some kind of medical reason.
They are postponing the sentencing hearing because of a "medical reason" and you people think she will see time in prison? Seriously, if this isn't a crock of shit being made up to get probation - which the court is apparently falling for - I don't know what is.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lacrosse Mom
()
Date: May 30, 2008 07:06AM
Postponed due to medical reason but she was healthy enough to be at the Lacrosse game last night................
Definately a ploy to avoid imminent jail time. But even a cat only has 9 lives. She will run out of excuses and out of patience from the judge eventually. Once the judge and prosecutor get wind of all the community sightings regardless of her *health issue*, I am confident she will be called into court to face the music.
Definately a ploy to avoid imminent jail time. But even a cat only has 9 lives. She will run out of excuses and out of patience from the judge eventually. Once the judge and prosecutor get wind of all the community sightings regardless of her *health issue*, I am confident she will be called into court to face the music.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: May 30, 2008 10:28AM
Lacrosse Mom Wrote:
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> Postponed due to medical reason but she was
> healthy enough to be at the Lacrosse game last
> night................
>
So are people still hanging out with her, thinking she is an innocent victim? Last I heard, she plead guilty. That means she did it. What lame ass excuse is she giving for pleading guilty?
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> Postponed due to medical reason but she was
> healthy enough to be at the Lacrosse game last
> night................
>
So are people still hanging out with her, thinking she is an innocent victim? Last I heard, she plead guilty. That means she did it. What lame ass excuse is she giving for pleading guilty?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
dolphin
()
Date: May 31, 2008 01:06PM
way to go Litsa fans, still hanging on her coattails hoping your kids will get invited to the next hannan montana show. you wanna be cougar moms need to spend more time in the gym and less time in paneras. you know how you are... don't make me give names now....
stay tuned
stay tuned
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Go Ahead
()
Date: May 31, 2008 02:27PM
Go ahead and list the names....we are dying to know who Litsa's friends are. Seriously !!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Dr. Navy
()
Date: June 01, 2008 10:37AM
Medical reasons? Look at her, heart attack waiting to happen. High Blood pressure, rapid heart rate, blood sugar a little high, joints, stroke. Yeeeeh think? Just did not happen yesterday. Doctors can visit a jail.
Let's see the friends list. Should be interesting.
Let's see the friends list. Should be interesting.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
innocent bystander
()
Date: June 01, 2008 05:19PM
If I remember correctly, Litsa told the judge when she pled guilty that she didn't have any medical or health issues. I recall that being a shock to those of us that heard it! Very different story than what we heard at school from her. I think she was laying the ground work for this "medical emergency" then. I wonder if she can be found guilty of perjury for lying when she gave her plea. Might as well stack up all the charges. Maybe SOMETHING will stick!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: June 01, 2008 05:27PM
innocent bystander Wrote:
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> If I remember correctly, Litsa told the judge when
> she pled guilty that she didn't have any medical
> or health issues. I recall that being a shock to
> those of us that heard it! Very different story
> than what we heard at school from her. I think
> she was laying the ground work for this "medical
> emergency" then. I wonder if she can be found
> guilty of perjury for lying when she gave her
> plea. Might as well stack up all the charges.
> Maybe SOMETHING will stick!
It sounds like woman's entire life has been a fraud. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she doesn't have something up her sleeve.
-------------------------------------------------------
> If I remember correctly, Litsa told the judge when
> she pled guilty that she didn't have any medical
> or health issues. I recall that being a shock to
> those of us that heard it! Very different story
> than what we heard at school from her. I think
> she was laying the ground work for this "medical
> emergency" then. I wonder if she can be found
> guilty of perjury for lying when she gave her
> plea. Might as well stack up all the charges.
> Maybe SOMETHING will stick!
It sounds like woman's entire life has been a fraud. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she doesn't have something up her sleeve.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Pity
()
Date: June 03, 2008 07:42PM
More delay, more of the usual plan to avoid reality. She had "medical" issues during her PTA president years. She would be hospitalized for heart issues and would be in and out of the hospital FAST! 24 hours max. Parents would offer to cover for her and she would refuse. She could not risk the loss of bank account control. Too bad she is still pulling the same tricks. What a scam of a life! Pity
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
give it a rest
()
Date: June 04, 2008 09:41AM
Will you losers give this thing a rest? She plead guilty she will be sentenced,end of story!!!! If you busy bodies had been this concerned when she was taking the money you could have prevented this. Too little too late.
Stop crying about it. geeeeeeesh!!!!!
Stop crying about it. geeeeeeesh!!!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: June 04, 2008 09:56AM
Whatever you say, Litsa.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Curious
()
Date: June 25, 2008 09:06PM
Is Litza still due in court on the 18th of July?? If so what time??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Send Her Home
()
Date: June 25, 2008 10:35PM
Deport her to Greece!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
keep the pressure on
()
Date: July 08, 2008 10:34PM
Is scumbag's hearing still the 18th? Does anyone know the time?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
July 18
()
Date: July 12, 2008 08:37PM
Hi-
Is the date still the 18th and if so what time?
Is the date still the 18th and if so what time?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: July 13, 2008 02:42PM
Litsa's going to cut some sort of deal where she never sees the inside of a cell. Just wait. She will probably get some health-related bullshit thing.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Deport Her to PG County
()
Date: July 13, 2008 05:52PM
Send her to the Prince George's County jail.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
July 18
()
Date: July 13, 2008 08:22PM
Okay, so I guess the two people who responded after me don't know if the date is the 18th so does anyone know the anwer?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Call the Prosecutor's Office
()
Date: July 13, 2008 11:22PM
Call the Prosecuting Attorney, Kathy Stott
(703-246-2776)
When you get the info, please post it.
thanks,
(703-246-2776)
When you get the info, please post it.
thanks,
Re: Boundary changes
Posted by:
Concerned Parent
()
Date: July 15, 2008 11:17AM
Not sure I agree but would be interested to know if anyone else has heard this.
Re: today's School board meeting
Posted by: Edna (IP Logged)
Date: July 15, 2008 10:45AM
The word on the street is that Strauss and Gibson do not like GT centers. I believe years back Strauss was voted down when she objected to a GT in her district. Could be a rumor and I don't know how to research this rumor.
Question: Is there a move to shut down the GT centers? Would save on transportation cost which is a big issue.
The downside of this is there are some GT centers in low performing schools and if these centers go, then will this not affect the SOLs in some of these schools? Something that the Fx Cty School Bd would not like....especially in Gibson's area.
Therefore, I don't see the GT centers being removed from some of these schools.
Welcome comments from others.
Re: today's School board meeting
Posted by: Edna (IP Logged)
Date: July 15, 2008 10:45AM
The word on the street is that Strauss and Gibson do not like GT centers. I believe years back Strauss was voted down when she objected to a GT in her district. Could be a rumor and I don't know how to research this rumor.
Question: Is there a move to shut down the GT centers? Would save on transportation cost which is a big issue.
The downside of this is there are some GT centers in low performing schools and if these centers go, then will this not affect the SOLs in some of these schools? Something that the Fx Cty School Bd would not like....especially in Gibson's area.
Therefore, I don't see the GT centers being removed from some of these schools.
Welcome comments from others.
Re: Boundary Changes
Posted by:
Redistricted in Oakton
()
Date: July 15, 2008 11:21AM
You are spot on. That is exactly what we are hearing in Oakton.
Re: Boundary changes
Posted by: Concerned Parent (IP Logged)
Date: July 15, 2008 11:17AM
Not sure I agree but would be interested to know if anyone else has heard this.
Re: today's School board meeting
Posted by: Edna (IP Logged)
Date: July 15, 2008 10:45AM
The word on the street is that Strauss and Gibson do not like GT centers. I believe years back Strauss was voted down when she objected to a GT in her district. Could be a rumor and I don't know how to research this rumor.
Question: Is there a move to shut down the GT centers? Would save on transportation cost which is a big issue.
The downside of this is there are some GT centers in low performing schools and if these centers go, then will this not affect the SOLs in some of these schools? Something that the Fx Cty School Bd would not like....especially in Gibson's area.
Therefore, I don't see the GT centers being removed from some of these schools.
Welcome comments from others.
Re: Boundary changes
Posted by: Concerned Parent (IP Logged)
Date: July 15, 2008 11:17AM
Not sure I agree but would be interested to know if anyone else has heard this.
Re: today's School board meeting
Posted by: Edna (IP Logged)
Date: July 15, 2008 10:45AM
The word on the street is that Strauss and Gibson do not like GT centers. I believe years back Strauss was voted down when she objected to a GT in her district. Could be a rumor and I don't know how to research this rumor.
Question: Is there a move to shut down the GT centers? Would save on transportation cost which is a big issue.
The downside of this is there are some GT centers in low performing schools and if these centers go, then will this not affect the SOLs in some of these schools? Something that the Fx Cty School Bd would not like....especially in Gibson's area.
Therefore, I don't see the GT centers being removed from some of these schools.
Welcome comments from others.
Re: Boundary Changes
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: July 15, 2008 11:25AM
Redistricted in Oakton Wrote:
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> You are spot on. That is exactly what we are
> hearing in Oakton.
>
>
>
> Re: Boundary changes
> Posted by: Concerned Parent (IP Logged)
> Date: July 15, 2008 11:17AM
>
>
> Not sure I agree but would be interested to know
> if anyone else has heard this.
>
>
> Re: today's School board meeting
> Posted by: Edna (IP Logged)
> Date: July 15, 2008 10:45AM
>
>
> The word on the street is that Strauss and Gibson
> do not like GT centers. I believe years back
> Strauss was voted down when she objected to a GT
> in her district. Could be a rumor and I don't know
> how to research this rumor.
>
> Question: Is there a move to shut down the GT
> centers? Would save on transportation cost which
> is a big issue.
>
> The downside of this is there are some GT centers
> in low performing schools and if these centers go,
> then will this not affect the SOLs in some of
> these schools? Something that the Fx Cty School Bd
> would not like....especially in Gibson's area.
>
> Therefore, I don't see the GT centers being
> removed from some of these schools.
>
> Welcome comments from others.
What's this got to do with Litsa? You need to start a new thread.
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> You are spot on. That is exactly what we are
> hearing in Oakton.
>
>
>
> Re: Boundary changes
> Posted by: Concerned Parent (IP Logged)
> Date: July 15, 2008 11:17AM
>
>
> Not sure I agree but would be interested to know
> if anyone else has heard this.
>
>
> Re: today's School board meeting
> Posted by: Edna (IP Logged)
> Date: July 15, 2008 10:45AM
>
>
> The word on the street is that Strauss and Gibson
> do not like GT centers. I believe years back
> Strauss was voted down when she objected to a GT
> in her district. Could be a rumor and I don't know
> how to research this rumor.
>
> Question: Is there a move to shut down the GT
> centers? Would save on transportation cost which
> is a big issue.
>
> The downside of this is there are some GT centers
> in low performing schools and if these centers go,
> then will this not affect the SOLs in some of
> these schools? Something that the Fx Cty School Bd
> would not like....especially in Gibson's area.
>
> Therefore, I don't see the GT centers being
> removed from some of these schools.
>
> Welcome comments from others.
What's this got to do with Litsa? You need to start a new thread.
Re: Boundary Changes
Posted by:
Redistricting Foe
()
Date: July 16, 2008 08:56AM
This issue is affecting so many schools but so few are involved in challenging the decision.
Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Forum Reader (IP Logged)
Date: July 13, 2008 10:09PM
Stat Man Wrote:
> Forum Reader - The School Board's web site is
> [www.fcps.edu].
>
> If you look at the "Current Meeting Agendas"
> section, the boundary study for the three high
> schools appears as a PDF attachment to Item 6.2 of
> the agenda for the July 14 work session.
---------------------
Thank you for the pointer.
Interesting that FCPS is already telling us who they plan to move where. This seems a lot more fair to the communities involved than the system that was used in the South Lakes redistricting.
It also looks like FCPS realizes communities care about the programs available in their high school: this new proposal also specifies which of the following programs Annandale, Falls Church, and Stuart have:
Advanced Placement Diploma (AP)
Advancement Via Individual Determination (AVID)
Early Identification Program (EIP)
English for Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL)
Focus 2007 Program
International Baccalaureate Middle Years Program (IBMYP)
International Baccalaureate Program (IB)
Modified Calendar
Planetarium
Special Education Services
Transitional High School Program
Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Forum Reader (IP Logged)
Date: July 13, 2008 10:09PM
Stat Man Wrote:
> Forum Reader - The School Board's web site is
> [www.fcps.edu].
>
> If you look at the "Current Meeting Agendas"
> section, the boundary study for the three high
> schools appears as a PDF attachment to Item 6.2 of
> the agenda for the July 14 work session.
---------------------
Thank you for the pointer.
Interesting that FCPS is already telling us who they plan to move where. This seems a lot more fair to the communities involved than the system that was used in the South Lakes redistricting.
It also looks like FCPS realizes communities care about the programs available in their high school: this new proposal also specifies which of the following programs Annandale, Falls Church, and Stuart have:
Advanced Placement Diploma (AP)
Advancement Via Individual Determination (AVID)
Early Identification Program (EIP)
English for Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL)
Focus 2007 Program
International Baccalaureate Middle Years Program (IBMYP)
International Baccalaureate Program (IB)
Modified Calendar
Planetarium
Special Education Services
Transitional High School Program
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: July 16, 2008 10:39AM
This thread is about a lady who stole $180,000 from Navy Vale NOT REDISTRICTING.
PLEASE POST ALL REDISTRICTING COMMENTS IN THE REDISTRICTING THREAD,
Thank you
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/16/2008 10:40AM by Lurker..
PLEASE POST ALL REDISTRICTING COMMENTS IN THE REDISTRICTING THREAD,
Thank you
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/16/2008 10:40AM by Lurker..
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: July 16, 2008 10:43AM
Lurker. Wrote:
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> This thread is about a lady who stole $180,000
> from Navy Vale NOT REDISTRICTING.
>
> PLEASE POST ALL REDISTRICTING COMMENTS IN THE
> REDISTRICTING THREAD,
>
> Thank you
I brought that up already. I think they are posting here to be assholes.
-------------------------------------------------------
> This thread is about a lady who stole $180,000
> from Navy Vale NOT REDISTRICTING.
>
> PLEASE POST ALL REDISTRICTING COMMENTS IN THE
> REDISTRICTING THREAD,
>
> Thank you
I brought that up already. I think they are posting here to be assholes.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: July 16, 2008 11:45PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lurker. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This thread is about a lady who stole $180,000
> > from Navy Vale NOT REDISTRICTING.
> >
> > PLEASE POST ALL REDISTRICTING COMMENTS IN THE
> > REDISTRICTING THREAD,
> >
> > Thank you
>
>
> I brought that up already. I think they are
> posting here to be assholes.
Cause I am never an asshole, just a friggen loser who craves cock (look at my post about picking up US Marines).
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lurker. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This thread is about a lady who stole $180,000
> > from Navy Vale NOT REDISTRICTING.
> >
> > PLEASE POST ALL REDISTRICTING COMMENTS IN THE
> > REDISTRICTING THREAD,
> >
> > Thank you
>
>
> I brought that up already. I think they are
> posting here to be assholes.
Cause I am never an asshole, just a friggen loser who craves cock (look at my post about picking up US Marines).
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: July 17, 2008 12:57AM
yeah pimple face. I like guys. Are you a homophobe?
Now we are calling children names?
Posted by:
Pencil neck geek?
()
Date: July 17, 2008 08:59AM
You have taken this board to a new all time low.
Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: All Will Be Revealed (IP Logged)
Date: July 16, 2008 05:41PM
Why, pray tell, does that GT student deserve to be bused to a special center? Why can't that kid be taught at their base school. Do kids in the bottom get sent to special centers? No, I am not speaking of MMR or ED kids, just kids at the bottom of the bell curve, so to speak. No, they don't.
Tracking would solve the problem for teachers of teaching to different levels. BTW, not all GT kids are created equal. Some are good at math, but suck at English. What of those poor GT English teachers who have to suffer the pencil-necked geeks who hate to write, at the expense of little Mary the child skilled in language arts who hates math.
GT Wrote:
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> A teacher deserves a chance to teach students at
> similar levels to maximize students achievement of
> her effort. If she has to teach a zillion
> different levels. Have you realize how much extra
> material the teacher needs to prepare and keeps
> track of?
>
> A GT student deserves the same education
> opportunity as his/her peers.
>
> Calling regular class as shit, or GT students as
> entitled, privilleged, has nothing to do with GT
> or the students. It's every bit of what the small
> group of parents say or think.
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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: mr e (IP Logged)
Date: July 16, 2008 05:54PM
so after looking at the county wide high school maps how and why were madison and Oakton built so close together? ( you might say fairfax is close to those two schools as well). How and why were Langley and McLean built so close to each other? Woodoson is also close to Fairfax. I know there are other I am leaving out, one has to ask why and to stop this from happening in the future if and when a new high school would be built. Honestly almost the whole district needs to be re adjusted if you look at where schools appear in their boundaries, often it is at a corner, not in the middle or even close to a central location, students who live in the far west of the fairfax boundary must live closer to at least one high school. Also look at all the islands( pointed out on the map excluding an airport or a college) not addressed. McLean and Woodson are the two big ones, along with Falls Church. Look at the length of some of the boundaries like Oakton, Langley and Hayfeild, long and narrow with Langley looking the worst with students traveling quite a distance to school. Imagine the gas money that could be saved if that was redrawn. So pretty much the whole system needs to be redrawn to make things correct for everyone in the county
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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Tired of Name Calling (IP Logged)
Date: July 16, 2008 06:00PM
All Will Be Revealed Wrote:
> ... Some are good at math, but
> suck at English. What of those poor GT English
> teachers who have to suffer the pencil-necked
> geeks who hate to write, at the expense of little
> Mary the child skilled in language arts who hates
> math.
---------
Can you try to make your point without insulting children, like calling students who are good at math but weak at English "pencil-necked geeks"?
Then we can discuss if tracking can survive in schools today, especially if it results in too many of some group of students and too few of another. For example, would your elementary school allow the "accelerated math class" to continue if it consistently had about ninety percent boys?
Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: All Will Be Revealed (IP Logged)
Date: July 16, 2008 05:41PM
Why, pray tell, does that GT student deserve to be bused to a special center? Why can't that kid be taught at their base school. Do kids in the bottom get sent to special centers? No, I am not speaking of MMR or ED kids, just kids at the bottom of the bell curve, so to speak. No, they don't.
Tracking would solve the problem for teachers of teaching to different levels. BTW, not all GT kids are created equal. Some are good at math, but suck at English. What of those poor GT English teachers who have to suffer the pencil-necked geeks who hate to write, at the expense of little Mary the child skilled in language arts who hates math.
GT Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> A teacher deserves a chance to teach students at
> similar levels to maximize students achievement of
> her effort. If she has to teach a zillion
> different levels. Have you realize how much extra
> material the teacher needs to prepare and keeps
> track of?
>
> A GT student deserves the same education
> opportunity as his/her peers.
>
> Calling regular class as shit, or GT students as
> entitled, privilleged, has nothing to do with GT
> or the students. It's every bit of what the small
> group of parents say or think.
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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: mr e (IP Logged)
Date: July 16, 2008 05:54PM
so after looking at the county wide high school maps how and why were madison and Oakton built so close together? ( you might say fairfax is close to those two schools as well). How and why were Langley and McLean built so close to each other? Woodoson is also close to Fairfax. I know there are other I am leaving out, one has to ask why and to stop this from happening in the future if and when a new high school would be built. Honestly almost the whole district needs to be re adjusted if you look at where schools appear in their boundaries, often it is at a corner, not in the middle or even close to a central location, students who live in the far west of the fairfax boundary must live closer to at least one high school. Also look at all the islands( pointed out on the map excluding an airport or a college) not addressed. McLean and Woodson are the two big ones, along with Falls Church. Look at the length of some of the boundaries like Oakton, Langley and Hayfeild, long and narrow with Langley looking the worst with students traveling quite a distance to school. Imagine the gas money that could be saved if that was redrawn. So pretty much the whole system needs to be redrawn to make things correct for everyone in the county
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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Tired of Name Calling (IP Logged)
Date: July 16, 2008 06:00PM
All Will Be Revealed Wrote:
> ... Some are good at math, but
> suck at English. What of those poor GT English
> teachers who have to suffer the pencil-necked
> geeks who hate to write, at the expense of little
> Mary the child skilled in language arts who hates
> math.
---------
Can you try to make your point without insulting children, like calling students who are good at math but weak at English "pencil-necked geeks"?
Then we can discuss if tracking can survive in schools today, especially if it results in too many of some group of students and too few of another. For example, would your elementary school allow the "accelerated math class" to continue if it consistently had about ninety percent boys?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Poster
()
Date: July 17, 2008 10:58PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> yeah pimple face. I like guys. Are you a
> homophobe?
Clear skin here. I know you like guys. You already talked about driving down to Quantico to check them out. No need for you to state the obvious. Am I a homophobe? Nah, not really. I am just someone who realizes that if it was "normal" the human race would have ceased at Cain and Abel.
-------------------------------------------------------
> yeah pimple face. I like guys. Are you a
> homophobe?
Clear skin here. I know you like guys. You already talked about driving down to Quantico to check them out. No need for you to state the obvious. Am I a homophobe? Nah, not really. I am just someone who realizes that if it was "normal" the human race would have ceased at Cain and Abel.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Va Mom
()
Date: July 18, 2008 08:11AM
Is Litsa's sentencing still today? If so, what time and where can I find the outcome?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
chantilly mom
()
Date: July 18, 2008 08:36AM
Today at 10 at the FFX courthouse.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
finally
()
Date: July 18, 2008 08:40AM
yes
10am/outcome will be posted here later today
10am/outcome will be posted here later today
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
ITRADE
()
Date: July 18, 2008 09:00AM
this should get interesting. We can then declare a school thread dead.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: July 18, 2008 09:16AM
I'll set the over/under at 4 months prison sentence and 2 years probation.
Any wagers?
Any wagers?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
ITRADE
()
Date: July 18, 2008 09:33AM
2 counts and embezzlement of $180k? 4 months prison? Hah
I'm going to say 30 months with 5 years probation.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/18/2008 09:41AM by ITRADE.
I'm going to say 30 months with 5 years probation.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/18/2008 09:41AM by ITRADE.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: July 18, 2008 10:24AM
ITRADE Wrote:
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> 2 counts and embezzlement of $180k? 4 months
> prison? Hah
>
> I'm going to say 30 months with 5 years probation.
I still have my doubts she will see any time behind bars, much less 30 months. Five years probation sounds about right, though. And a permanent felony record.
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> 2 counts and embezzlement of $180k? 4 months
> prison? Hah
>
> I'm going to say 30 months with 5 years probation.
I still have my doubts she will see any time behind bars, much less 30 months. Five years probation sounds about right, though. And a permanent felony record.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
chantilly mom
()
Date: July 18, 2008 01:11PM
On two counts of embezzlement...............2 years of jail and 8 years of probation as well as a $75,000 restitution agreement.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
ITRADE
()
Date: July 18, 2008 01:24PM
Meeper, you owe me....And I originally stated 2 years before I revised it to 30 months...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: July 18, 2008 01:31PM
Let's go double or nothing on the redistricting thread.
ITRADE Wrote:
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> Meeper, you owe me....And I originally stated 2
> years before I revised it to 30 months...
ITRADE Wrote:
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> Meeper, you owe me....And I originally stated 2
> years before I revised it to 30 months...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
alurker
()
Date: July 18, 2008 01:54PM
chantilly mom Wrote:
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> On two counts of embezzlement...............2
> years of jail and 8 years of probation as well as
> a $75,000 restitution agreement.
Are you predicting/guessing, or saying this is what she got? Inquiring minds want to know!
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> On two counts of embezzlement...............2
> years of jail and 8 years of probation as well as
> a $75,000 restitution agreement.
Are you predicting/guessing, or saying this is what she got? Inquiring minds want to know!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Did she have anything to say??
()
Date: July 18, 2008 02:18PM
Did Litsa have anything to say today in court? Did she speak?
2 years jail time....did they haul her away right then or did they give a date when she will begin to serve her time.
More details please.
2 years jail time....did they haul her away right then or did they give a date when she will begin to serve her time.
More details please.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
chantilly mom
()
Date: July 18, 2008 02:45PM
she was taken away in handcuffs for immediate incarceration. She did the manipulative crying saying she was so sorry...........too little too late. Had she apologized from the beginning and not so blatantly gave the community the finger every time she sat at a football game or bought her kids the newest technology than she may have experienced more empathy. The prosecutor was terrific and the judge gave her what she deserved. It is hopeful she can do her time, pay back her restitution, move away from here and start over somewhere else.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
alurker
()
Date: July 18, 2008 02:53PM
chantilly mom Wrote:
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> It is hopeful she can do her time, pay back her
> restitution, move away from here and start over
> somewhere else.
Heh. I know how you meant 'start over somewhere else' but one COULD read it as 'and return to a life of crime somewhere else'...!
Thus endeth a very strange and ugly story (we can hope).
Not sure how I feel about her husband -- surely he had to know?! -- but her kids are the other real victims here. I hope her husband is able to move them away from here for their sake.
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> It is hopeful she can do her time, pay back her
> restitution, move away from here and start over
> somewhere else.
Heh. I know how you meant 'start over somewhere else' but one COULD read it as 'and return to a life of crime somewhere else'...!
Thus endeth a very strange and ugly story (we can hope).
Not sure how I feel about her husband -- surely he had to know?! -- but her kids are the other real victims here. I hope her husband is able to move them away from here for their sake.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
ITRADE
()
Date: July 18, 2008 03:05PM
chantilly mom Wrote:
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> she was taken away in handcuffs for immediate
> incarceration. She did the manipulative crying
> saying she was so sorry...........too little too
> late. Had she apologized from the beginning and
> not so blatantly gave the community the finger
> every time she sat at a football game or bought
> her kids the newest technology than she may have
> experienced more empathy. The prosecutor was
> terrific and the judge gave her what she deserved.
> It is hopeful she can do her time, pay back her
> restitution, move away from here and start over
> somewhere else.
Did they have to use those handcuff "extenders" to get around her midsection?
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> she was taken away in handcuffs for immediate
> incarceration. She did the manipulative crying
> saying she was so sorry...........too little too
> late. Had she apologized from the beginning and
> not so blatantly gave the community the finger
> every time she sat at a football game or bought
> her kids the newest technology than she may have
> experienced more empathy. The prosecutor was
> terrific and the judge gave her what she deserved.
> It is hopeful she can do her time, pay back her
> restitution, move away from here and start over
> somewhere else.
Did they have to use those handcuff "extenders" to get around her midsection?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
curious
()
Date: July 18, 2008 04:33PM
I am curious...what did Litza say. All someone wrote is she cried and said she was sorry. Is that all she said? What prison will she be staying in for 2 years? Can she get out before 2 years?
As for her husband and children moving away-why? Her children are going through enough at this point. They are in high school and sould be be able to finish out their school time here in Fairfax. Can't people be big enough to not take out on her children what she has done? They will be without their mom and will be dealing with enough....
As for her husband and children moving away-why? Her children are going through enough at this point. They are in high school and sould be be able to finish out their school time here in Fairfax. Can't people be big enough to not take out on her children what she has done? They will be without their mom and will be dealing with enough....
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Question??
()
Date: July 18, 2008 04:36PM
How will she pay back $75,000 being in prison??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
inkahootz
()
Date: July 18, 2008 05:47PM
Question?? Wrote:
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> How will she pay back $75,000 being in prison??
Have you ever heard of liquidization of assets? They will get their money, either by auctioning any assets or possessions she acquired via the proceeds of her nefarious crimes, or docking her pay once she gets out and acquires gainful employment. Paying back the money will be a condition of her probation. Failure to pay will result in her going back to jail to serve whatever sentence time was suspended or held in abeyance.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/18/2008 09:05PM by inkahootz.
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> How will she pay back $75,000 being in prison??
Have you ever heard of liquidization of assets? They will get their money, either by auctioning any assets or possessions she acquired via the proceeds of her nefarious crimes, or docking her pay once she gets out and acquires gainful employment. Paying back the money will be a condition of her probation. Failure to pay will result in her going back to jail to serve whatever sentence time was suspended or held in abeyance.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/18/2008 09:05PM by inkahootz.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: July 18, 2008 06:50PM
chantilly mom Wrote:
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> On two counts of embezzlement...............2
> years of jail and 8 years of probation as well as
> a $75,000 restitution agreement.
Considering I didn't think she would get any time, I think this is a pretty fair sentence. I think she should have to pay $180K back, though. Otherwise it looks like she made a net gain of $105K.
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> On two counts of embezzlement...............2
> years of jail and 8 years of probation as well as
> a $75,000 restitution agreement.
Considering I didn't think she would get any time, I think this is a pretty fair sentence. I think she should have to pay $180K back, though. Otherwise it looks like she made a net gain of $105K.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Question//
()
Date: July 18, 2008 07:05PM
She has nothing so I don't think they will get much liquidation! They don't even own the house they live in. But thanks for informing me!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Min or mand
()
Date: July 18, 2008 07:07PM
Did she get a min of 2 years or mandatory 2 years? There is a difference....just was curious
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Twinkie
()
Date: July 18, 2008 08:31PM
You guys are clueLESS as per usual, the attention-span of sparrows
As you are sipping your lattes tomorrow with Cliché after Cliché drooling of your tongues as you regurgiate the latest gossip trying to fill your empty heads and feeling smart - maybe you can look inside and and ask the question, 'what am I doing with my life, that I have time to fill 19 pages of a Forum with BS about 1 crime'.
Now that this part is over - the rest of the ppl involved might want to take cover -- u maybe next ;)
What, you think that Litsa was the only one .... .... c'mon Waken Up Empty-heads !!!!!
- I bet she will be OUT by tomorrow.;)
As you are sipping your lattes tomorrow with Cliché after Cliché drooling of your tongues as you regurgiate the latest gossip trying to fill your empty heads and feeling smart - maybe you can look inside and and ask the question, 'what am I doing with my life, that I have time to fill 19 pages of a Forum with BS about 1 crime'.
Now that this part is over - the rest of the ppl involved might want to take cover -- u maybe next ;)
What, you think that Litsa was the only one .... .... c'mon Waken Up Empty-heads !!!!!
- I bet she will be OUT by tomorrow.;)
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
inkahootz
()
Date: July 18, 2008 09:06PM
Question// Wrote:
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> She has nothing so I don't think they will get
> much liquidation! They don't even own the house
> they live in. But thanks for informing me!
Pas de probleme, mon ami!!!
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> She has nothing so I don't think they will get
> much liquidation! They don't even own the house
> they live in. But thanks for informing me!
Pas de probleme, mon ami!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Twinkie
()
Date: July 18, 2008 10:50PM
There ya go - Not a full day in detention ---- LOL
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/18/AR2008071802842.html?hpid=topnews
5 years for each - suspended 4 years for both and each 1 year term, to run concurrently from home. (maybe electronic incarceration)
.... probably except for trips to the store to buy necessary items and to the doctors office ( every day) and to work and to church and to the drug store and to the Gym
and it seems that she had already paid-back 80,000 over the 5-years, so it was really only a $100,000 error in managing the account
aw well -- what do we biotch about now --- the general election ?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/18/AR2008071802842.html?hpid=topnews
5 years for each - suspended 4 years for both and each 1 year term, to run concurrently from home. (maybe electronic incarceration)
.... probably except for trips to the store to buy necessary items and to the doctors office ( every day) and to work and to church and to the drug store and to the Gym
and it seems that she had already paid-back 80,000 over the 5-years, so it was really only a $100,000 error in managing the account
aw well -- what do we biotch about now --- the general election ?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
inkahootz
()
Date: July 18, 2008 10:52PM
"$100,000 error in managing the account"...LMAO!!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: July 18, 2008 11:01PM
Twinkie Wrote:
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> There ya go - Not a full day in detention ----
> LOL
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
> le/2008/07/18/AR2008071802842.html?hpid=topnews
>
> 5 years for each - suspended 4 years for both and
> each 1 year term, to run concurrently from home.
> (maybe electronic incarceration)
>
> .... probably except for trips to the store to buy
> necessary items and to the doctors office ( every
> day) and to work and to church and to the drug
> store and to the Gym
>
> and it seems that she had already paid-back 80,000
> over the 5-years, so it was really only a $100,000
> error in managing the account
>
> aw well -- what do we biotch about now --- the
> general election ?
The sad thing is I have been predicting she would see no time behind bars, I predicted that she would get a pass because of "her health" and I predicted she would use the excuse that she simply made a mistake and people would buy off on it. But having four years of a five year probation suspended is too much.
Turns out for the most part I was right (and to think earlier today I was going to predict home incarceration but thought, "There's no way in hell they would actually do that!) I bet in the end they even take it off of her record once she completes probation.
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> There ya go - Not a full day in detention ----
> LOL
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
> le/2008/07/18/AR2008071802842.html?hpid=topnews
>
> 5 years for each - suspended 4 years for both and
> each 1 year term, to run concurrently from home.
> (maybe electronic incarceration)
>
> .... probably except for trips to the store to buy
> necessary items and to the doctors office ( every
> day) and to work and to church and to the drug
> store and to the Gym
>
> and it seems that she had already paid-back 80,000
> over the 5-years, so it was really only a $100,000
> error in managing the account
>
> aw well -- what do we biotch about now --- the
> general election ?
The sad thing is I have been predicting she would see no time behind bars, I predicted that she would get a pass because of "her health" and I predicted she would use the excuse that she simply made a mistake and people would buy off on it. But having four years of a five year probation suspended is too much.
Turns out for the most part I was right (and to think earlier today I was going to predict home incarceration but thought, "There's no way in hell they would actually do that!) I bet in the end they even take it off of her record once she completes probation.
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Posted by:
inkahootz
()
Date: July 18, 2008 11:09PM
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2010 03:00PM by inkahootz.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2010 03:00PM by inkahootz.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: July 19, 2008 10:06AM
inkahootz Wrote:
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> > He suspended four out five years INCARCERATION
> on each count. The probation wasn't suspended at
> all. She will have to serve a total of eight years
> probation on both counts once released. If she
> violates her terms of probation, she will have to
> do the rest of her sentence ( 8 years suspended)
> which is being held in abeyance (over her head).
oops. My mistake.
Still, this fabricated health stuff is B.S. My understanding from this thread is that this gal is at every Chantilly/Navy sporting event. If her health was that bad, how the hell is she getting around to all of these things??
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> > He suspended four out five years INCARCERATION
> on each count. The probation wasn't suspended at
> all. She will have to serve a total of eight years
> probation on both counts once released. If she
> violates her terms of probation, she will have to
> do the rest of her sentence ( 8 years suspended)
> which is being held in abeyance (over her head).
oops. My mistake.
Still, this fabricated health stuff is B.S. My understanding from this thread is that this gal is at every Chantilly/Navy sporting event. If her health was that bad, how the hell is she getting around to all of these things??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
inkahootz
()
Date: July 19, 2008 01:14PM
I call bullocks on the whole thing. How do you mismanage an account to the degree that you are found criminally culpable of embezzlment, fraud, and theft of $180,000? If she was healthy enough to steal, she should be healthy enough to serve the time. She must know the sheriff for him to recommend home detention, or maybe she really is that unhealthy (she does look rather obese).
BTW WTL, you can't get anything expunged (or 'taken off your record') once you are convicted. After she serves her time and completes her probation, she will have to live the rest of her life dealing w/ this 'black eye' as a consequence of her behavior.
BTW WTL, you can't get anything expunged (or 'taken off your record') once you are convicted. After she serves her time and completes her probation, she will have to live the rest of her life dealing w/ this 'black eye' as a consequence of her behavior.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
alurker
()
Date: July 19, 2008 02:18PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> Still, this fabricated health stuff is B.S. My
> understanding from this thread is that this gal is
> at every Chantilly/Navy sporting event. If her
> health was that bad, how the hell is she getting
> around to all of these things??
It may be fabricated. And I'm certainly no fan of Litsa -- we were Navy parents eight years ago, so some of the money she stole probably came from my pocket.
However, in the interests of fairness, I feel obligated to point out that if the health problems ARE legit, and she were being lauded for having done something good rather than pilloried for having done something bad, her attendance at these sporting events would be taken as an example of her making the effort for her kids despite her health problems, and thus held aloft as a positive thing.
Bottom line: it's probably not relevant. If she managed to find a bogus doc who facilitated false claims of health issues, then that's another Very Bad Thing. But going to her kids' events really shouldn't be taken as evidence one way or another.
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> Still, this fabricated health stuff is B.S. My
> understanding from this thread is that this gal is
> at every Chantilly/Navy sporting event. If her
> health was that bad, how the hell is she getting
> around to all of these things??
It may be fabricated. And I'm certainly no fan of Litsa -- we were Navy parents eight years ago, so some of the money she stole probably came from my pocket.
However, in the interests of fairness, I feel obligated to point out that if the health problems ARE legit, and she were being lauded for having done something good rather than pilloried for having done something bad, her attendance at these sporting events would be taken as an example of her making the effort for her kids despite her health problems, and thus held aloft as a positive thing.
Bottom line: it's probably not relevant. If she managed to find a bogus doc who facilitated false claims of health issues, then that's another Very Bad Thing. But going to her kids' events really shouldn't be taken as evidence one way or another.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Absolutely Amazing!
()
Date: July 19, 2008 03:20PM
Do I understand that this criminal stole $180,000 dollars, does not have to payback the total amount, and most likely will not receive jail time because of her morbid obesity, sleep apnea and asthma? And that her husband, who surely knew where the money was coming from that his wife gave him, is not charged with anything?!!
I'm surprised that diabetes was not mentioned in today's Washington Post. It is very probable that this thief has diabetes and its co-morbidities. Big deal (no pun intended). I suffer these conditions also and don't see how they can be used as rationale for not going to jail.
She should be placed in the Prince George's County jail ASAP.
I'm surprised that diabetes was not mentioned in today's Washington Post. It is very probable that this thief has diabetes and its co-morbidities. Big deal (no pun intended). I suffer these conditions also and don't see how they can be used as rationale for not going to jail.
She should be placed in the Prince George's County jail ASAP.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Chica
()
Date: July 19, 2008 11:23PM
She has health problems? WHY does she have health problems? Did someone forcefully stuff the big macs and dunkin donuts down her throat?
Can I binge eat and then rob a bank and get to stay home for a year? Sounds like a great solution to my credit card debt.
Can I binge eat and then rob a bank and get to stay home for a year? Sounds like a great solution to my credit card debt.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
george
()
Date: July 20, 2008 10:43AM
Lurker,
she was at these sporting evnts to fill her pockets you moron. she was not there to be the wonderful litsa you all thought she was at navy and the teachers best friend... she had an agenda it was to get her hands on cold hard cash as quickly as it came in with as few "middle men" as possible handling it. you people are bunch of idiots, she stole from you and all you care about is her health. how gives a crap.
why did she show up at football games and fundraisers, why was she always the one ordering flowers for the teachers, why did she always pay backother volunteers in cash because she was skimming so much off the top.
what is next for her kids and bought friends Jonas Brothers or gift cards to AF!!
she was at these sporting evnts to fill her pockets you moron. she was not there to be the wonderful litsa you all thought she was at navy and the teachers best friend... she had an agenda it was to get her hands on cold hard cash as quickly as it came in with as few "middle men" as possible handling it. you people are bunch of idiots, she stole from you and all you care about is her health. how gives a crap.
why did she show up at football games and fundraisers, why was she always the one ordering flowers for the teachers, why did she always pay backother volunteers in cash because she was skimming so much off the top.
what is next for her kids and bought friends Jonas Brothers or gift cards to AF!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: July 20, 2008 03:15PM
It is obvious to me that Litsa is a classic sociopath who has duped many gullible people at Navy and Chantilly and, to a certain degree, the judge and sheriff in this case.
Sociopaths have to conscience. They don't feel guilt. They don't emphasize with their victims or with normal people. Sociopaths have an objective, to manipulate those around them to get what they want and to lie their way out of trouble wherever possible.
It is apparent to me that Litsa is a sociopath with the charisma of a sociopath. She is a very good liar and plays on people's sympathy. As a sociopath, Litsa is plotting her next step. She will get through the year of house arrest, try to bargain down her probation and, within a few years, will be doing the exact same thing again, only this time is a different community with a new set of gullible people.
Anybody who defends this woman is clueless. She is a psychopath. While you sympathize with her plight, she disdains you for it behind your back. You are all pawns and dupes in her game.
Sociopaths have to conscience. They don't feel guilt. They don't emphasize with their victims or with normal people. Sociopaths have an objective, to manipulate those around them to get what they want and to lie their way out of trouble wherever possible.
It is apparent to me that Litsa is a sociopath with the charisma of a sociopath. She is a very good liar and plays on people's sympathy. As a sociopath, Litsa is plotting her next step. She will get through the year of house arrest, try to bargain down her probation and, within a few years, will be doing the exact same thing again, only this time is a different community with a new set of gullible people.
Anybody who defends this woman is clueless. She is a psychopath. While you sympathize with her plight, she disdains you for it behind your back. You are all pawns and dupes in her game.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
chantilly mom
()
Date: July 20, 2008 06:22PM
Well said and so very true. Even in her fake crying letter to the court she NEVER acknowledged her actions nor took responsibility for her behavior. Till the end she still had the audacity to "remind" the community of how hard she has worked and all she wanted to do was to contribute to the community. Sociopth is the best word to describe her. She is a despicable person.
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> It is obvious to me that Litsa is a classic
> sociopath who has duped many gullible people at
> Navy and Chantilly and, to a certain degree, the
> judge and sheriff in this case.
>
> Sociopaths have to conscience. They don't feel
> guilt. They don't emphasize with their victims or
> with normal people. Sociopaths have an objective,
> to manipulate those around them to get what they
> want and to lie their way out of trouble wherever
> possible.
>
> It is apparent to me that Litsa is a sociopath
> with the charisma of a sociopath. She is a very
> good liar and plays on people's sympathy. As a
> sociopath, Litsa is plotting her next step. She
> will get through the year of house arrest, try to
> bargain down her probation and, within a few
> years, will be doing the exact same thing again,
> only this time is a different community with a new
> set of gullible people.
>
> Anybody who defends this woman is clueless. She is
> a psychopath. While you sympathize with her
> plight, she disdains you for it behind your back.
> You are all pawns and dupes in her game.
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It is obvious to me that Litsa is a classic
> sociopath who has duped many gullible people at
> Navy and Chantilly and, to a certain degree, the
> judge and sheriff in this case.
>
> Sociopaths have to conscience. They don't feel
> guilt. They don't emphasize with their victims or
> with normal people. Sociopaths have an objective,
> to manipulate those around them to get what they
> want and to lie their way out of trouble wherever
> possible.
>
> It is apparent to me that Litsa is a sociopath
> with the charisma of a sociopath. She is a very
> good liar and plays on people's sympathy. As a
> sociopath, Litsa is plotting her next step. She
> will get through the year of house arrest, try to
> bargain down her probation and, within a few
> years, will be doing the exact same thing again,
> only this time is a different community with a new
> set of gullible people.
>
> Anybody who defends this woman is clueless. She is
> a psychopath. While you sympathize with her
> plight, she disdains you for it behind your back.
> You are all pawns and dupes in her game.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
wpost metro C3 today
()
Date: July 20, 2008 07:25PM
bookkeeper 43 year old volunteer, embezzled $177K from PTA, Cub Scout Pack, and work. Got 3 years of jail time ordered to pay back $236K. What happened to jail time? HOward County seems to have it right....
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
alurker
()
Date: July 20, 2008 07:58PM
george Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lurker,
>
> she was at these sporting evnts to fill her
> pockets you moron. she was not there to be the
> wonderful litsa you all thought she was at navy
> and the teachers best friend... she had an agenda
> it was to get her hands on cold hard cash as
> quickly as it came in with as few "middle men" as
> possible handling it. you people are bunch of
> idiots, she stole from you and all you care about
> is her health. how gives a crap.
>
> why did she show up at football games and
> fundraisers, why was she always the one ordering
> flowers for the teachers, why did she always pay
> backother volunteers in cash because she was
> skimming so much off the top.
>
> what is next for her kids and bought friends Jonas
> Brothers or gift cards to AF!!
If that's aimed at my post, you didn't read what I wrote.
Folks were complaining about her showing up at sporting events *now*, after her conviction. That's what I was referring to. And last time I checked, elementary schools didn't have football games.
A gentle suggestion: Save the invective for those who deserve it. As I said, I'm no fan of Litsa and some of the money she stole was surely mine. But you seem to have missed that point, too...
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> Lurker,
>
> she was at these sporting evnts to fill her
> pockets you moron. she was not there to be the
> wonderful litsa you all thought she was at navy
> and the teachers best friend... she had an agenda
> it was to get her hands on cold hard cash as
> quickly as it came in with as few "middle men" as
> possible handling it. you people are bunch of
> idiots, she stole from you and all you care about
> is her health. how gives a crap.
>
> why did she show up at football games and
> fundraisers, why was she always the one ordering
> flowers for the teachers, why did she always pay
> backother volunteers in cash because she was
> skimming so much off the top.
>
> what is next for her kids and bought friends Jonas
> Brothers or gift cards to AF!!
If that's aimed at my post, you didn't read what I wrote.
Folks were complaining about her showing up at sporting events *now*, after her conviction. That's what I was referring to. And last time I checked, elementary schools didn't have football games.
A gentle suggestion: Save the invective for those who deserve it. As I said, I'm no fan of Litsa and some of the money she stole was surely mine. But you seem to have missed that point, too...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: July 20, 2008 10:12PM
wpost metro C3 today Wrote:
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> bookkeeper 43 year old volunteer, embezzled $177K
> from PTA, Cub Scout Pack, and work. Got 3 years
> of jail time ordered to pay back $236K. What
> happened to jail time? HOward County seems to
> have it right....
Litsa is a better liar.
-------------------------------------------------------
> bookkeeper 43 year old volunteer, embezzled $177K
> from PTA, Cub Scout Pack, and work. Got 3 years
> of jail time ordered to pay back $236K. What
> happened to jail time? HOward County seems to
> have it right....
Litsa is a better liar.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: July 21, 2008 09:27AM
Two years in jail. That's about what I figured. She should have to pay back the full amount with interest.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: July 21, 2008 09:32AM
Lurker- she was only sentenced to a year in jail. And she'll spend it at her home, never spending a full day behind bars.
A total slap on the wrist, IMO.
A total slap on the wrist, IMO.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: July 21, 2008 09:49AM
A fat person who is told to sit home all day watch TV and eat as a penalty?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: July 21, 2008 09:56AM
Lurker. Wrote:
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> A fat person who is told to sit home all day watch
> TV and eat as a penalty?
And you can bet in three months her attorney will be before the judge saying that the home incarceration is putting a strain on her fat heart. She will be off the bracelet in six months.
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> A fat person who is told to sit home all day watch
> TV and eat as a penalty?
And you can bet in three months her attorney will be before the judge saying that the home incarceration is putting a strain on her fat heart. She will be off the bracelet in six months.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
FUNNY
()
Date: July 21, 2008 10:35AM
This is halarious, now that she has been sentenced you SAD SACKs are sitting around complaining about the punishment, I bet not one of you pitiful losers went to to the hearing to testify for the prosecution at the sentencing hering, so GET OVER IT!!!!! let this busy body thread die.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: July 21, 2008 10:38AM
FUNNY Wrote:
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> This is halarious, now that she has been sentenced
> you SAD SACKs are sitting around complaining about
> the punishment, I bet not one of you pitiful
> losers went to to the hearing to testify for the
> prosecution at the sentencing hering, so GET OVER
> IT!!!!! let this busy body thread die.
Naw. I think this thread should live as long as possible. A year's worth of posts should be useful for other groups and potential employers who do background checks on Litsa. Hopefully this thread will pop up and inform those folks about what kind of person Litsa really is.
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> This is halarious, now that she has been sentenced
> you SAD SACKs are sitting around complaining about
> the punishment, I bet not one of you pitiful
> losers went to to the hearing to testify for the
> prosecution at the sentencing hering, so GET OVER
> IT!!!!! let this busy body thread die.
Naw. I think this thread should live as long as possible. A year's worth of posts should be useful for other groups and potential employers who do background checks on Litsa. Hopefully this thread will pop up and inform those folks about what kind of person Litsa really is.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Curious
()
Date: August 01, 2008 09:10AM
Hi-
Just wondering if anyone knows what is going on with Litza? I know she is at home but what was the final outcome??
Just wondering if anyone knows what is going on with Litza? I know she is at home but what was the final outcome??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Outcome
()
Date: August 01, 2008 10:24AM
Curious Wrote:
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> Hi-
>
> Just wondering if anyone knows what is going on
> with Litza? I know she is at home but what was
> the final outcome??
Litsa was sentenced by the judge to two 5 year sentences (running concurrently) with 4 years suspended on each sentence. So, she was really sentenced to one year and something like 5 years probation after that. My understanding is that she will not be in jail and will have electronic incarceration. She will be home with an ankle bracelet monitor (or something similar).
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hi-
>
> Just wondering if anyone knows what is going on
> with Litza? I know she is at home but what was
> the final outcome??
Litsa was sentenced by the judge to two 5 year sentences (running concurrently) with 4 years suspended on each sentence. So, she was really sentenced to one year and something like 5 years probation after that. My understanding is that she will not be in jail and will have electronic incarceration. She will be home with an ankle bracelet monitor (or something similar).
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: August 01, 2008 10:40AM
Outcome Wrote:
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> Curious Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hi-
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone knows what is going on
> > with Litza? I know she is at home but what was
> > the final outcome??
>
>
> Litsa was sentenced by the judge to two 5 year
> sentences (running concurrently) with 4 years
> suspended on each sentence. So, she was really
> sentenced to one year and something like 5 years
> probation after that. My understanding is that
> she will not be in jail and will have electronic
> incarceration. She will be home with an ankle
> bracelet monitor (or something similar).
Don't forget she only has to pay back $75K of the $180K she "misplaced."
-------------------------------------------------------
> Curious Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hi-
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone knows what is going on
> > with Litza? I know she is at home but what was
> > the final outcome??
>
>
> Litsa was sentenced by the judge to two 5 year
> sentences (running concurrently) with 4 years
> suspended on each sentence. So, she was really
> sentenced to one year and something like 5 years
> probation after that. My understanding is that
> she will not be in jail and will have electronic
> incarceration. She will be home with an ankle
> bracelet monitor (or something similar).
Don't forget she only has to pay back $75K of the $180K she "misplaced."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
SAD MAN
()
Date: August 02, 2008 03:11AM
Her name translates literally into "30 kisses"
I think it means she eats 30 hershey kisses a day.
She is an insult to hardworking Greeks all over the world.
One would think that this OUROUNI (Greek word for pig) would have lost some weight during this period due to the shame she caused her family.
I think it means she eats 30 hershey kisses a day.
She is an insult to hardworking Greeks all over the world.
One would think that this OUROUNI (Greek word for pig) would have lost some weight during this period due to the shame she caused her family.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: August 02, 2008 11:08AM
SAD MAN Wrote:
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> Her name translates literally into "30 kisses"
>
> I think it means she eats 30 hershey kisses a
> day.
>
> She is an insult to hardworking Greeks all over
> the world.
>
> One would think that this OUROUNI (Greek word for
> pig) would have lost some weight during this
> period due to the shame she caused her family.
She is a sociopath. She is incapable of shame.
She will do her one year of home detention. After a year or two of probation, she will get that dropped. In five years she will be hosing some other PTA or youth organization. She has no conscience, she has no guilt, she has no shame. She's not "Greek." She's a predator who preys on gullible, unsuspecting people who make the mistake of trusting her.
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> Her name translates literally into "30 kisses"
>
> I think it means she eats 30 hershey kisses a
> day.
>
> She is an insult to hardworking Greeks all over
> the world.
>
> One would think that this OUROUNI (Greek word for
> pig) would have lost some weight during this
> period due to the shame she caused her family.
She is a sociopath. She is incapable of shame.
She will do her one year of home detention. After a year or two of probation, she will get that dropped. In five years she will be hosing some other PTA or youth organization. She has no conscience, she has no guilt, she has no shame. She's not "Greek." She's a predator who preys on gullible, unsuspecting people who make the mistake of trusting her.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
casualobserver
()
Date: August 02, 2008 12:22PM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> She is a sociopath. She is incapable of shame.
>
> She will do her one year of home detention. After
> a year or two of probation, she will get that
> dropped.
You are so right. My guess is that she will "behave" so well that she will get whoever is in charge to reduce her sentence even further. Time off for good behavior or whatever. I bet she still doesn't think she did anything wrong. I did not read anything in the paper that indicated she was remorseful or even that she admitted to any wrongdoing. Did she?
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> She is a sociopath. She is incapable of shame.
>
> She will do her one year of home detention. After
> a year or two of probation, she will get that
> dropped.
You are so right. My guess is that she will "behave" so well that she will get whoever is in charge to reduce her sentence even further. Time off for good behavior or whatever. I bet she still doesn't think she did anything wrong. I did not read anything in the paper that indicated she was remorseful or even that she admitted to any wrongdoing. Did she?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: August 02, 2008 12:33PM
casualobserver Wrote:
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>
> You are so right. My guess is that she will
> "behave" so well that she will get whoever is in
> charge to reduce her sentence even further. Time
> off for good behavior or whatever. I bet she
> still doesn't think she did anything wrong. I did
> not read anything in the paper that indicated she
> was remorseful or even that she admitted to any
> wrongdoing. Did she?
She tried to explain it away, saying that she borrowed the money but was going to pay it back. Of course, she "borrowed" $180K over a five year period. I call that a crime.
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>
> You are so right. My guess is that she will
> "behave" so well that she will get whoever is in
> charge to reduce her sentence even further. Time
> off for good behavior or whatever. I bet she
> still doesn't think she did anything wrong. I did
> not read anything in the paper that indicated she
> was remorseful or even that she admitted to any
> wrongdoing. Did she?
She tried to explain it away, saying that she borrowed the money but was going to pay it back. Of course, she "borrowed" $180K over a five year period. I call that a crime.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
question
()
Date: August 03, 2008 10:46PM
what are the conditions of her "house arrest"? Under what circumstances is she allowed out of her home?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jester
()
Date: August 04, 2008 10:55PM
She should be restricted from take out meals, TV, Internet and cooking. AND no Oprah!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WHY?
()
Date: August 06, 2008 12:14AM
LET IT GO!!! Who cares what she is doing in her house, if she leaves, or what kind of bracelet she wears on her cankles. She has to pay back 75k, she had already paid back 80k of it. She did apologize and showed some remorse. IT IS OVER. Literally "THE FAT LADY HAS SUNG"!!!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: August 06, 2008 09:21AM
WHY? Wrote:
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> LET IT GO!!! Who cares what she is doing in her
> house, if she leaves, or what kind of bracelet she
> wears on her cankles. She has to pay back 75k, she
> had already paid back 80k of it. She did apologize
> and showed some remorse. IT IS OVER. Literally
> "THE FAT LADY HAS SUNG"!!!!!
80 + 75 < 180K. Seems to me she is still $25K short.
Also, she did not show remorse. She came up with a bunch of excuses for why it happened that didn't put the blame on her.
-------------------------------------------------------
> LET IT GO!!! Who cares what she is doing in her
> house, if she leaves, or what kind of bracelet she
> wears on her cankles. She has to pay back 75k, she
> had already paid back 80k of it. She did apologize
> and showed some remorse. IT IS OVER. Literally
> "THE FAT LADY HAS SUNG"!!!!!
80 + 75 < 180K. Seems to me she is still $25K short.
Also, she did not show remorse. She came up with a bunch of excuses for why it happened that didn't put the blame on her.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Fairfax Native
()
Date: August 06, 2008 10:47AM
She was only sorry she got caught. She is now sitting in her home, having everything done for her while she is on her computer plotting out her next scheme. She will have the time to make sure she's more careful in covering her tracks. This woman will never stop. We have not heard the last of her and the legal system. Remember, she has two college educations to pay for!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
chantilly mom
()
Date: August 06, 2008 06:03PM
She DID NOT pay but $10,000 of the known $180,000. The court only ordered her to pay 75K. A reminder that the $180 k were checks, not cash that she ALWAYS had her fat nasty hands in.
WHY? Wrote:
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> LET IT GO!!! Who cares what she is doing in her
> house, if she leaves, or what kind of bracelet she
> wears on her cankles. She has to pay back 75k, she
> had already paid back 80k of it. She did apologize
> and showed some remorse. IT IS OVER. Literally
> "THE FAT LADY HAS SUNG"!!!!!
WHY? Wrote:
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> LET IT GO!!! Who cares what she is doing in her
> house, if she leaves, or what kind of bracelet she
> wears on her cankles. She has to pay back 75k, she
> had already paid back 80k of it. She did apologize
> and showed some remorse. IT IS OVER. Literally
> "THE FAT LADY HAS SUNG"!!!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
THE WOMAN IS GROSS
()
Date: August 08, 2008 04:40PM
MAKE IT A CONDITION THAT SHE HAS TO LOSE 200 pounds.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
huh?
()
Date: August 10, 2008 09:21AM
She never showed remorse..! please..
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
chantilly mom
()
Date: August 10, 2008 02:01PM
Are you saying she did show remorse? Because seriously, she did not. Not only that but in her letter to the court, she reminds the community of how hard she worked for her community. She is one of the most despicable people I have ever met.
huh? Wrote:
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> She never showed remorse..! please..
huh? Wrote:
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> She never showed remorse..! please..
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Outdoors Lover
()
Date: August 15, 2008 12:47PM
Looks like this weekend is going to be a great weekend to get out do stuff. How is Litsa's house going?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
chantilly mom
()
Date: August 17, 2008 08:54PM
do you mean her house arrest? We'll see once sports actually begin and back to school night occurs. Let's hope the conniving bitch has to stay home and our legal system can demonstrate just a bit of commone sense. I am sure she is enjoying her time at home eating bon bons, playing on her computer and getting fatter by the minute. She is such a pig.
Outdoors Lover Wrote:
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> Looks like this weekend is going to be a great
> weekend to get out do stuff. How is Litsa's house
> going?
Outdoors Lover Wrote:
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> Looks like this weekend is going to be a great
> weekend to get out do stuff. How is Litsa's house
> going?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
pizzaman
()
Date: August 22, 2008 11:31PM
I delivered a pizza to her cell today
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
SlimChick
()
Date: August 23, 2008 09:44PM
What in the hell does being fat have to do with her crime? There's so much animosity here. I feel sorry for overweight people who have to deal with the kind of hatred that's being expressed here. Would you guys be as vitriolic if she were a babe? What's going on?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: August 24, 2008 08:50AM
SlimChick Wrote:
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> What in the hell does being fat have to do with
> her crime?
If she were a nice, law abiding citizen, no one would say shit about her being fat (okay, maybe Gravis).
> There's so much animosity here.
The woman who duped a community and stole $180K from kids and essentially got away with deserves animosity.
I
> feel sorry for overweight people who have to deal
> with the kind of hatred that's being expressed
> here.
The hatred is being expressed because of what she. Not simply because she is fat.
>Would you guys be as vitriolic if she were
> a babe?
Considering how much we bashed the drunk Junkette, yeah, probably.
> What's going on?
Isn't it obvious?
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> What in the hell does being fat have to do with
> her crime?
If she were a nice, law abiding citizen, no one would say shit about her being fat (okay, maybe Gravis).
> There's so much animosity here.
The woman who duped a community and stole $180K from kids and essentially got away with deserves animosity.
I
> feel sorry for overweight people who have to deal
> with the kind of hatred that's being expressed
> here.
The hatred is being expressed because of what she. Not simply because she is fat.
>Would you guys be as vitriolic if she were
> a babe?
Considering how much we bashed the drunk Junkette, yeah, probably.
> What's going on?
Isn't it obvious?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Chica
()
Date: August 24, 2008 12:04PM
Her weight is brought up because she used her weight and the health problems that go with being obese as an excuse to get out of serving any time for her crime. If she was a slim chick like you, she would be behind bars.
Moral of the story....if you're going to break the law, hit Dunkin Donuts first!
Moral of the story....if you're going to break the law, hit Dunkin Donuts first!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Out for Dinner
()
Date: September 28, 2008 03:38PM
I think I'm going to for a walk and then out to dinner tonight. Anybody else have plans to get out of the house?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: February 18, 2009 12:48PM
This looks like Litsa's more successful sister....
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/18735324/detail.html#
...What is it with these gals being fat?
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/18735324/detail.html#
...What is it with these gals being fat?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Capt.Obvious
()
Date: February 22, 2009 05:18AM
hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Stupid ass fat bitch was going to spend all that cash on twinkies and bon bons.
Fuck You hoe. Get slim fast and Jenny Craig.
Stupid ass fat bitch was going to spend all that cash on twinkies and bon bons.
Fuck You hoe. Get slim fast and Jenny Craig.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
NewNeighbor
()
Date: March 27, 2009 11:04PM
I can't believe she just moved into my neighborhood...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Litsa
()
Date: March 28, 2009 02:11AM
NewNeighbor Wrote:
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> I can't believe she just moved into my
> neighborhood...
I heard that the HOA has an opening for a Treasurer. Please pass the word to everyone to vote for me, I will do a great job!
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> I can't believe she just moved into my
> neighborhood...
I heard that the HOA has an opening for a Treasurer. Please pass the word to everyone to vote for me, I will do a great job!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Concerned Mexican
()
Date: March 28, 2009 01:53PM
I heard that Litsa is overweight
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
whatsthestory
()
Date: March 29, 2009 11:01AM
So, what's the story? Where did she moved to? How can she afford to move? Isn't she paying the school back? Is she owning or renting? Anyone have the answers?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
I have no idea
()
Date: March 29, 2009 12:54PM
whatsthestory Wrote:
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> So, what's the story? Where did she moved to?
> How can she afford to move? Isn't she paying the
> school back? Is she owning or renting? Anyone
> have the answers?
I believe she rented before, so she is probably renting again. However, isn't she a convicted felon? Not sure who would rent to her. Maybe someone else she has suckered.
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, what's the story? Where did she moved to?
> How can she afford to move? Isn't she paying the
> school back? Is she owning or renting? Anyone
> have the answers?
I believe she rented before, so she is probably renting again. However, isn't she a convicted felon? Not sure who would rent to her. Maybe someone else she has suckered.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Sneed Hearn
()
Date: March 29, 2009 03:27PM
It's practically standing still now. They've dropped ropes out of the nose of the ship; and (uh) they've been taken ahold of down on the field by a number of men. It's starting to rain again; it's—the rain had (uh) slacked up a little bit. The back motors of the ship are just holding it (uh) just enough to keep it from— It's burst into flames! It burst into flames, and it's falling, it's crashing! Watch it! Watch it! Get out of the way! Get out of the way! Get this, Charlie; get this, Charlie! It's fire—and it's crashing! It's crashing terrible! Oh, my! Get out of the way, please! It's burning and bursting into flames; and the—and it's falling on the mooring-mast. And all the folks agree that this is terrible; this is the one of the worst catastrophes in the world. [indecipherable] its flames... Crashing, oh! Four- or five-hundred feet into the sky and it—it's a terrific crash, ladies and gentlemen. It's smoke, and it's in flames now; and the frame is crashing to the ground, not quite to the mooring-mast. Oh, the humanity! and all the passengers screaming around here. I told you; it—I can't even talk to people Their friends are out there! Ah! It's—it—it's a—ah! I—I can't talk, ladies and gentlemen. Honest: it's just laying there, mass of smoking wreckage. Ah! And everybody can hardly breathe and talk and the screaming. Lady, I—I—I'm sorry. Honest: I—I can hardly breathe. I—I'm going to step inside, where I cannot see it. Charlie, that's terrible. Ah, ah;—I can't. Listen, folks; I—I'm gonna have to stop for a minute because [indecipherable] I've lost my voice. This is the worst thing I've ever witnessed.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Old Navy PTA Mom
()
Date: March 29, 2009 03:44PM
Sneed Hearn Wrote:
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> It's practically standing still now. They've
> dropped ropes out of the nose of the ship; and
> (uh) they've been taken ahold of down on the field
> by a number of men. It's starting to rain again;
> it's—the rain had (uh) slacked up a little bit.
> The back motors of the ship are just holding it
> (uh) just enough to keep it from— It's burst into
> flames! It burst into flames, and it's falling,
> it's crashing! Watch it! Watch it! Get out of the
> way! Get out of the way! Get this, Charlie; get
> this, Charlie! It's fire—and it's crashing! It's
> crashing terrible! Oh, my! Get out of the way,
> please! It's burning and bursting into flames; and
> the—and it's falling on the mooring-mast. And all
> the folks agree that this is terrible; this is the
> one of the worst catastrophes in the world. its
> flames... Crashing, oh! Four- or five-hundred feet
> into the sky and it—it's a terrific crash, ladies
> and gentlemen. It's smoke, and it's in flames now;
> and the frame is crashing to the ground, not quite
> to the mooring-mast. Oh, the humanity! and all the
> passengers screaming around here. I told you; it—I
> can't even talk to people Their friends are out
> there! Ah! It's—it—it's a—ah! I—I can't talk,
> ladies and gentlemen. Honest: it's just laying
> there, mass of smoking wreckage. Ah! And everybody
> can hardly breathe and talk and the screaming.
> Lady, I—I—I'm sorry. Honest: I—I can hardly
> breathe. I—I'm going to step inside, where I
> cannot see it. Charlie, that's terrible. Ah, ah;—I
> can't. Listen, folks; I—I'm gonna have to stop for
> a minute because I've lost my voice. This is the
> worst thing I've ever witnessed.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
1tiredmom
()
Date: March 30, 2009 11:12AM
Litsa and her husband do not own anything. They rent their house and lease their cars so that the IRS and others cannot attach any liens. I am sure that the lease is not in her name, rather her husband. Remember, she and her husband are experts at skirting around the law.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
what?
()
Date: April 01, 2009 09:40AM
how can she afford to move? I thought she had to pay back the money?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
1tiredmom
()
Date: April 01, 2009 11:12AM
The judgment is against Litsa, not her husband. Litsa has not had a paying job (legitmate pay) in years. All the leases, etc. are in her husband's name. She has not gone without anything this entire time, he foots the bill for everything. She waddled away, without any remorse or repercussion. If she never works, never owns anything, and all the leases are in her husband's name, she will go to her grave never paying back the money she stole.
Trust me, she had the last laugh here.
Trust me, she had the last laugh here.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
how can this be
()
Date: April 01, 2009 12:15PM
your right she does have the last laugh, we are the fools,all the people and the school that she stole from. I wonder if the court knows that she has moved on up. She has at the minimum doubled her rent in her new place.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: April 01, 2009 01:25PM
how can this be Wrote:
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> your right she does have the last laugh, we are
> the fools,all the people and the school that she
> stole from. I wonder if the court knows that she
> has moved on up. She has at the minimum doubled
> her rent in her new place.
Of course she got away with it. The law has bigger fish to fry (figuratively speaking, given the gross tonnage of Litsa).
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> your right she does have the last laugh, we are
> the fools,all the people and the school that she
> stole from. I wonder if the court knows that she
> has moved on up. She has at the minimum doubled
> her rent in her new place.
Of course she got away with it. The law has bigger fish to fry (figuratively speaking, given the gross tonnage of Litsa).
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
watch out
()
Date: April 02, 2009 07:59AM
somebody better keep their eye on her before she starts doing it again
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
1tiredmom
()
Date: April 02, 2009 12:54PM
And that is exactly what she and her husband were counting on. Remember, this is not the first time she has stolen money. At her last paying job in Washington, D.C. a few years ago she was fired for stealing over $200K.
This is not over. She will find another way, another fool. Where are her kids going to school? Where does she live? Inform the PTA of those schools, the homeowner's association, the college her son will attend next year.
This is not over. She will find another way, another fool. Where are her kids going to school? Where does she live? Inform the PTA of those schools, the homeowner's association, the college her son will attend next year.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
posh
()
Date: April 03, 2009 05:30AM
she's moved up to a very nice new homein an upscale neighborhood, with new friends who can't believe she would ever do anything wrong.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
beggar
()
Date: April 04, 2009 01:07PM
she is in Century Oaks with all her special friends, you know the popular ones
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: April 04, 2009 03:32PM
beggar Wrote:
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> she is in Century Oaks with all her special
> friends, you know the popular ones
I'm sure she'll be telling them how wonderful they are and how they are smart enough to see her for who she really is. Then she'll fuck them over. Vanity comes before the fall.
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> she is in Century Oaks with all her special
> friends, you know the popular ones
I'm sure she'll be telling them how wonderful they are and how they are smart enough to see her for who she really is. Then she'll fuck them over. Vanity comes before the fall.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
wrong Oaks
()
Date: April 05, 2009 09:01PM
NO.. she is in Highland Oaks across from the Greenbriar shopping center, don't know if she bought the townhouse or is renting, but it is much nicer and more expensive then where she was.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
whats going on?
()
Date: April 13, 2009 12:02PM
When does she get out of her in house jail? Will she just show up places like nothing ever happened? Has she paid back the money to the school?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
seriously?
()
Date: April 13, 2009 05:42PM
I hear she's allowed out once a week to run errands and do stuff for her kids. She was obviously allowed out to move. I assume she has the xxxxl ankle bracelet on. I bet even if she's paying the school back, and that's a big IF, it's only a small sum. She probably has some bullshit excuse that she doesn't have enough money and can't afford to pay them back. But she can surely afford to live in some $3,000 a month house.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
oh no
()
Date: April 14, 2009 12:08PM
I heard she could not go out at all until May. Then it was only for 2 hours per week.
She obviously moved to a neighborhood where everyone works and no one knows what happend. Therefore, she can basically start anew and start stealing from that neighborhood.
Watch out! She'll be running for Treasurer of the Home Owners Assoc next year!
She obviously moved to a neighborhood where everyone works and no one knows what happend. Therefore, she can basically start anew and start stealing from that neighborhood.
Watch out! She'll be running for Treasurer of the Home Owners Assoc next year!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lister
()
Date: April 14, 2009 12:24PM
Sucks to be stuck on a couch all day watching a widescreen TV with a bag of chips and dip.
She paid back a tiny bit of she stole. Hey, she needed a new car, a couch to relax on and payments for a bigger house.
She paid back a tiny bit of she stole. Hey, she needed a new car, a couch to relax on and payments for a bigger house.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: April 14, 2009 12:35PM
I'm just laughing at all of those Navy PTA moms who thought I was an asshole for saying that Litsa would basically get away with it. They were all like, "If enough parents get mad, the prosecutor/judge will have to do something." Yeah, right! Litsa got away with it, folks. Anyone who says "crime doesn't pay" doesn't know shit about white color crime.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
pissed
()
Date: April 18, 2009 02:39PM
How does Litsa get to move to a more spacious townhome at more rent and yet, she only has to pay the Navy PTA $40.00 a month because she said she could not afford $150.00 per month? Why isn't the Navy school more angry about the injustice of this? Come on people.......call the district attorney and have this looked into! Demand she pay more each month. With this budget crisis in FCPS, your school could use the monthly check! BTW, has anyone seen the manipulative bitch violating her "house arrest"?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Robbu
()
Date: April 18, 2009 03:32PM
She is still on home incarceration, so I am unsure as to why she is paying anything. Once prob starts then I assume she has to pay the $150 per.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: April 18, 2009 04:08PM
pissed Wrote:
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> How does Litsa get to move to a more spacious
> townhome at more rent and yet, she only has to pay
> the Navy PTA $40.00 a month because she said she
> could not afford $150.00 per month? Why isn't the
> Navy school more angry about the injustice of
> this? Come on people.......call the district
> attorney and have this looked into! Demand she
> pay more each month. With this budget crisis in
> FCPS, your school could use the monthly check!
> BTW, has anyone seen the manipulative bitch
> violating her "house arrest"?
It's done. Give it a rest. She got away with it.
Next time, the parents at the Navy PTA need to be more diligent so this kind of thing doesn't happen again.
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> How does Litsa get to move to a more spacious
> townhome at more rent and yet, she only has to pay
> the Navy PTA $40.00 a month because she said she
> could not afford $150.00 per month? Why isn't the
> Navy school more angry about the injustice of
> this? Come on people.......call the district
> attorney and have this looked into! Demand she
> pay more each month. With this budget crisis in
> FCPS, your school could use the monthly check!
> BTW, has anyone seen the manipulative bitch
> violating her "house arrest"?
It's done. Give it a rest. She got away with it.
Next time, the parents at the Navy PTA need to be more diligent so this kind of thing doesn't happen again.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: April 18, 2009 06:39PM
Over???
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
watch out
()
Date: April 21, 2009 07:25AM
I saw her husband recently working the game at CHS, watch out.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
1tiredmom
()
Date: April 21, 2009 01:04PM
She only pays $40 a month because she does not have a job. Her husband pays the rent, bills, etc. Everything is with his name, not hers. They don't own anything because they rent, lease cars, and have all the bank accounts solely in his name. The judgment is against her, not her husband. Only her 'income' is taken into consideration.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: April 21, 2009 01:06PM
1tiredmom Wrote:
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> She only pays $40 a month because she does not
> have a job. Her husband pays the rent, bills,
> etc. Everything is with his name, not hers. They
> don't own anything because they rent, lease cars,
> and have all the bank accounts solely in his name.
> The judgment is against her, not her husband.
> Only her 'income' is taken into consideration.
So basically as long as SHE commits the crimes, there are no repercussions.
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> She only pays $40 a month because she does not
> have a job. Her husband pays the rent, bills,
> etc. Everything is with his name, not hers. They
> don't own anything because they rent, lease cars,
> and have all the bank accounts solely in his name.
> The judgment is against her, not her husband.
> Only her 'income' is taken into consideration.
So basically as long as SHE commits the crimes, there are no repercussions.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Payroll
()
Date: April 21, 2009 01:49PM
1tiredmom Wrote:
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> She only pays $40 a month because she does not
> have a job. Her husband pays the rent, bills,
> etc. Everything is with his name, not hers. They
> don't own anything because they rent, lease cars,
> and have all the bank accounts solely in his name.
> The judgment is against her, not her husband.
> Only her 'income' is taken into consideration.
I'm sure the county can find her some job that doesn't involve handling money that she can do 5 days a week until the money is paid back. Maybe cleaning jail cells.
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> She only pays $40 a month because she does not
> have a job. Her husband pays the rent, bills,
> etc. Everything is with his name, not hers. They
> don't own anything because they rent, lease cars,
> and have all the bank accounts solely in his name.
> The judgment is against her, not her husband.
> Only her 'income' is taken into consideration.
I'm sure the county can find her some job that doesn't involve handling money that she can do 5 days a week until the money is paid back. Maybe cleaning jail cells.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
what the..
()
Date: April 21, 2009 05:43PM
but she has no "income", she doesn't work. How did they come up with $40 a month to pay back? He is as guilty as she is.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
pissed
()
Date: April 21, 2009 08:39PM
He is definitely just as guilty as she is. He certainly had to wonder how they lived like they did: eating out constantly, buying the newest electronics, weekly manicures and pedicures, shopping at Norstrum, most expensive camps for thier kids when in the past 7 years, he was out of work 2 of them. It is beyond disgraceful.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Criminal
()
Date: April 21, 2009 11:51PM
Triantafilitsa Mattfeld steals $180,000 and claims that money is all gone. The judge says oh you can't pay it back?
How about $40 a month for a couple years, you sit home, enjoy your wide screen and watch Oprah. Her husband knew, the money is probably sitting in his accounts.
How about $40 a month for a couple years, you sit home, enjoy your wide screen and watch Oprah. Her husband knew, the money is probably sitting in his accounts.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
pissed
()
Date: May 31, 2009 10:02PM
This manipulative bitch stole $180,000 and has recieved a laughable sentence and restituition. She is supppose to be on house arrest. How come the stealing sack of crap gets to participate in graduation parties? Too bad her "house arrest" coincides with graduation. Does anyone know what the law is for this?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
lurker2
()
Date: June 01, 2009 10:46AM
If you have any actual proof or witnesses who have seen Litsa at Graduation exercises or parties or anywhere else she isn't supposed to be, please contact Kathy Stott in the prosecutors office AND the County Sheriff who is overseeing her sentence.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: June 01, 2009 10:49AM
lurker2 Wrote:
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> If you have any actual proof or witnesses who have
> seen Litsa at Graduation exercises or parties or
> anywhere else she isn't supposed to be, please
> contact Kathy Stott in the prosecutors office AND
> the County Sheriff who is overseeing her sentence.
Who will then put it in a file and forget about it.
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> If you have any actual proof or witnesses who have
> seen Litsa at Graduation exercises or parties or
> anywhere else she isn't supposed to be, please
> contact Kathy Stott in the prosecutors office AND
> the County Sheriff who is overseeing her sentence.
Who will then put it in a file and forget about it.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
pissed
()
Date: June 01, 2009 05:41PM
There are a least a hundred witnesses as she was at the Dulles Golf and Batting Cage on RT. 28 near Dulles from mid day until 9 at night with a joint graduation party for her son. Even if they put the information in a file, it never hurts to still have a paper trail for when she keeps violating her house arrest. She certainly has not learned her lesson. She just keeps flipping everyone off by her actions
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
LOLcat
()
Date: June 01, 2009 05:49PM
Is in yo Skool Stealin yo Fundz
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
unbelievable
()
Date: June 09, 2009 05:53PM
I can't believe it. Her son won a college scholarship from the Chantilly Sports Boosters. Isn't this the group that everyone thought she stole from as well??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: June 09, 2009 07:57PM
unbelievable Wrote:
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> I can't believe it. Her son won a college
> scholarship from the Chantilly Sports Boosters.
> Isn't this the group that everyone thought she
> stole from as well??
Well, it's not like she has an extra $180,000 laying around to pay for college or anyth....oh.
Nevermind.
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> I can't believe it. Her son won a college
> scholarship from the Chantilly Sports Boosters.
> Isn't this the group that everyone thought she
> stole from as well??
Well, it's not like she has an extra $180,000 laying around to pay for college or anyth....oh.
Nevermind.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Couchy
()
Date: June 10, 2009 12:31AM
unbelievable Wrote:
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> I can't believe it. Her son won a college
> scholarship from the Chantilly Sports Boosters.
> Isn't this the group that everyone thought she
> stole from as well??
She was rumored to have stolen money from Chantilly booster, but never proven. The Navy Vale case was the only one where bank records had proof of $180,000.
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> I can't believe it. Her son won a college
> scholarship from the Chantilly Sports Boosters.
> Isn't this the group that everyone thought she
> stole from as well??
She was rumored to have stolen money from Chantilly booster, but never proven. The Navy Vale case was the only one where bank records had proof of $180,000.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WOW
()
Date: June 11, 2009 08:37AM
oh so thats ok then?... she was found GUILTY of stealing from Navy $180,000 and the Chantilly boosters turn around and give her money? What fools. This story just keeps getting better. maybe she can use the scholarship $ to pay back the $180,000 she stole from Navy's children and parents .
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: June 11, 2009 09:07AM
Personally, I think this is a news story that the Washington Post might want to look in to. If anyone on here feels strongly enough about this, I suggest you contact the education editor with the Washington Post bureau in Fairfax...
Michael Chandler
chandlerm@washpost.com
(703) 383-5113
Michael Chandler
chandlerm@washpost.com
(703) 383-5113
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
journalist
()
Date: June 11, 2009 09:10AM
WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Personally, I think this is a news story that the
> Washington Post might want to look in to. If
> anyone on here feels strongly enough about this, I
> suggest you contact the education editor with the
> Washington Post bureau in Fairfax...
>
>
> Michael Chandler
> chandlerm@washpost.com
> (703) 383-5113
As much as I hate to say it, more people read this forum than read the Washington Post. The Post is a dinosaur with an outdated business model. In a year or two it will be free delivered like the shitty examiner or the falls church news press.
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> Personally, I think this is a news story that the
> Washington Post might want to look in to. If
> anyone on here feels strongly enough about this, I
> suggest you contact the education editor with the
> Washington Post bureau in Fairfax...
>
>
> Michael Chandler
> chandlerm@washpost.com
> (703) 383-5113
As much as I hate to say it, more people read this forum than read the Washington Post. The Post is a dinosaur with an outdated business model. In a year or two it will be free delivered like the shitty examiner or the falls church news press.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Jason Johnson
()
Date: June 11, 2009 10:22AM
Everybody needs to take it easy on this. I personally know the family and the son who got the scholarship and he is a great kid. Don't punish him because his parents are losers, that should have nothing to do with him. He is a hard working good kid and it's unfortunate his parents are who they are. No need to make a big deal about this story the kid earned that scholarship and shouldn't have to hear about how it's wrong and that he doesn't deserve it because of his parents. Rip the parents all you want just don't bring the kid into this at all.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: June 11, 2009 10:28AM
Jason Johnson Wrote:
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> Everybody needs to take it easy on this. I
> personally know the family and the son who got the
> scholarship and he is a great kid. Don't punish
> him because his parents are losers, that should
> have nothing to do with him. He is a hard working
> good kid and it's unfortunate his parents are who
> they are. No need to make a big deal about this
> story the kid earned that scholarship and
> shouldn't have to hear about how it's wrong and
> that he doesn't deserve it because of his parents.
> Rip the parents all you want just don't bring the
> kid into this at all.
The kid can get a loan. This is a windfall for that fat bitch. There are probably other deserving kids out there whose parents don't steal money and then cry poor when it comes to providing for their own kid.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Everybody needs to take it easy on this. I
> personally know the family and the son who got the
> scholarship and he is a great kid. Don't punish
> him because his parents are losers, that should
> have nothing to do with him. He is a hard working
> good kid and it's unfortunate his parents are who
> they are. No need to make a big deal about this
> story the kid earned that scholarship and
> shouldn't have to hear about how it's wrong and
> that he doesn't deserve it because of his parents.
> Rip the parents all you want just don't bring the
> kid into this at all.
The kid can get a loan. This is a windfall for that fat bitch. There are probably other deserving kids out there whose parents don't steal money and then cry poor when it comes to providing for their own kid.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
LOLcat
()
Date: June 11, 2009 10:30AM
Iz in yo Skoolz embezzlen yo funz tekken yer Kidz to Dizz-nee-Landz
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Lester
()
Date: June 11, 2009 10:42AM
The problem is that money is probably going thru Litsa hands again and who knows what she'll do with it. New furniture? New car?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: June 11, 2009 10:55AM
Lester Wrote:
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> The problem is that money is probably going thru
> Litsa hands again and who knows what she'll do
> with it. New furniture? New car?
Seems to me most scholarships are set up so the money goes directly to the school in the kid's name. I'm not worried about that. I just feel that if the woman is a convicted felon who stole $180,000 from an education organization, she should repay that money before her son benefits from the largess of the community. Seriously, how many kids at Navy PTA aren't going to college because of the money this fat bitch stole? And her kid should get a scholarship??
-------------------------------------------------------
> The problem is that money is probably going thru
> Litsa hands again and who knows what she'll do
> with it. New furniture? New car?
Seems to me most scholarships are set up so the money goes directly to the school in the kid's name. I'm not worried about that. I just feel that if the woman is a convicted felon who stole $180,000 from an education organization, she should repay that money before her son benefits from the largess of the community. Seriously, how many kids at Navy PTA aren't going to college because of the money this fat bitch stole? And her kid should get a scholarship??
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
pishaw
()
Date: June 11, 2009 11:08AM
WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Seriously, how many kids at Navy PTA aren't going to college
> because of the money this fat bitch stole?
Probably none. Only a retard would think differently.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Seriously, how many kids at Navy PTA aren't going to college
> because of the money this fat bitch stole?
Probably none. Only a retard would think differently.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Retard
()
Date: June 11, 2009 11:51AM
> Seriously, how many kids at Navy PTA aren't going to college
> because of the money this fat bitch stole?
25 to 30 kids.
> because of the money this fat bitch stole?
25 to 30 kids.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
LOLcat
()
Date: June 11, 2009 02:04PM
b 24 hit c12 hitz iz in yo battleshitz sinkin yo carrierz
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: June 11, 2009 02:14PM
Actually, my understanding is that Litsa threatened to go all "Gary Sands" on them by going on a hunger strike if her kid didn't get the scholarship. They didn't want to run that risk...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
pissed
()
Date: June 11, 2009 04:06PM
contact the post, the fairfax times and the centreview. They might be interested to see how the fat bitch has abused the system. $40.00 a month to repay $180,000, moved into a much larger and newer home, has not missed really important events for her kids and I am sure will pull up into the handicap space at the Patriot center to watch her son graduate. God, she is freaking unbelievable!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Seann
()
Date: June 11, 2009 05:54PM
Quit your bitching, Navy Vale School should have had better measures in place to prevent this type of incident.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
LOLcat
()
Date: June 11, 2009 07:30PM
Iz in yo Oshuns sinkin yer shipz
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
come on
()
Date: June 11, 2009 08:03PM
yeah don't blame the stealing on the convicted felon blame it on Navy school, poor Litsa. You don't think she stole from Chantilly,come on.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Edward
()
Date: June 11, 2009 08:22PM
Something doesn't add up. Mis Litsa embezzeled money, money that families have contri...buted for worthy causes and sometimes from families on a tight budget. So this community mazen gets a slap on the wrist....and she gets a stern admonishing from the legal folks..."so don't do it again....and then here we are again....a possible repeat. Maybe she needs some help....mentally speaking....BUT lets not include the kids
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
OhReally?
()
Date: June 13, 2009 01:48PM
Let's face it, the kid did not have to apply for that particular scholarship. There are a ton of scholarships out there that this good kid could have applied for and gotten. Why is this family dipping their hands in the same cookie jar over and over again?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
pissed
()
Date: June 13, 2009 10:58PM
Because Litsa and Doug have NO shame whatsoever. You have to intentionally apply for the booster scholarship. It is not just given out. Again, unbelievalbe the gall of these people.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: June 14, 2009 10:24AM
OhReally? Wrote:
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> Let's face it, the kid did not have to apply for
> that particular scholarship. There are a ton of
> scholarships out there that this good kid could
> have applied for and gotten. Why is this family
> dipping their hands in the same cookie jar over
> and over again?
Because Litsa is an asshole who got away with a big crime and who hasn't learned her lesson. She is laughing her ass off at these idiots in Chantilly.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Let's face it, the kid did not have to apply for
> that particular scholarship. There are a ton of
> scholarships out there that this good kid could
> have applied for and gotten. Why is this family
> dipping their hands in the same cookie jar over
> and over again?
Because Litsa is an asshole who got away with a big crime and who hasn't learned her lesson. She is laughing her ass off at these idiots in Chantilly.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Time to move on
()
Date: June 15, 2009 10:16AM
One the most basic strategies to generate happiness is to get into the habit of reminding yourself every day of what is good and right in your world not just spending all your time with what is going wrong. In addition, happiness will expand when you look around for the personally gratifying actions that will turn your frown into a smile.
Here are 5 simple things that can help bring happiness front and center:
1. Take one small action on something important to you. Then step back and acknowledge your success. See yourself as a person who is capable of creating change handling life's challenges!
2. Decide not to deprive someone of hope, or rain on his or her parade. Instead, take a breath and imagine the best possible outcome. See things working out well, and then fill yourself up with these positive feelings. You'll feel better instantly.
3. Express positive emotions to the people around you. What you focus on expands. Therefore, when you actively begin searching for meaningful ways to express your joy, then your joy will naturally expand.
4. As soon as you wake up, take a deep breath, and say hello to your body. You have one more day to be alive in a body and expand the meaning or enjoyment of your life. Next, look out the window and connect with the world around you by noticing the sunrise, the trees, and the signing birds. Invite your spirit to guide your actions today.
5. Sharpen your senses - Savor life's joys and relish ordinary experiences. See the beauty in the trees around your home, smell the fresh laundry, touch your pets fur, and feel grateful for your hot shower. Your body is the place in which you experience life...make it a delightful experience.
Here are 5 simple things that can help bring happiness front and center:
1. Take one small action on something important to you. Then step back and acknowledge your success. See yourself as a person who is capable of creating change handling life's challenges!
2. Decide not to deprive someone of hope, or rain on his or her parade. Instead, take a breath and imagine the best possible outcome. See things working out well, and then fill yourself up with these positive feelings. You'll feel better instantly.
3. Express positive emotions to the people around you. What you focus on expands. Therefore, when you actively begin searching for meaningful ways to express your joy, then your joy will naturally expand.
4. As soon as you wake up, take a deep breath, and say hello to your body. You have one more day to be alive in a body and expand the meaning or enjoyment of your life. Next, look out the window and connect with the world around you by noticing the sunrise, the trees, and the signing birds. Invite your spirit to guide your actions today.
5. Sharpen your senses - Savor life's joys and relish ordinary experiences. See the beauty in the trees around your home, smell the fresh laundry, touch your pets fur, and feel grateful for your hot shower. Your body is the place in which you experience life...make it a delightful experience.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
NotMovingOn
()
Date: June 15, 2009 10:34AM
When she pays back the $180,000 she stole from the Navy school community and children then we can move on......please she's enjoying the money every day of the week and laughing her ass off... why should she get away with it?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Deez
()
Date: June 15, 2009 10:39AM
NotMovingOn Wrote:
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> When she pays back the $180,000 she stole from the
> Navy school community and children then we can
> move on......please she's enjoying the money every
> day of the week and laughing her ass off... why
> should she get away with it?
Because she is either 1) just that good or 2) the Navy community was too occupied with other shit to notice and quite simply let her get away with it. Maybe a combination of both.
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> When she pays back the $180,000 she stole from the
> Navy school community and children then we can
> move on......please she's enjoying the money every
> day of the week and laughing her ass off... why
> should she get away with it?
Because she is either 1) just that good or 2) the Navy community was too occupied with other shit to notice and quite simply let her get away with it. Maybe a combination of both.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: June 15, 2009 10:51AM
Deez Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> NotMovingOn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > When she pays back the $180,000 she stole from
> the
> > Navy school community and children then we can
> > move on......please she's enjoying the money
> every
> > day of the week and laughing her ass off... why
> > should she get away with it?
>
> Because she is either 1) just that good or 2) the
> Navy community was too occupied with other shit to
> notice and quite simply let her get away with it.
> Maybe a combination of both.
The one value for keeping this going is so that others will be aware of what kind of person she is. However, it is unfortunate that the Chantilly folks are being suckered in. She's probably given them a song and dance about, "The people at Navy PTA screwed up. There was never $180,000 in the account. To cover themselves, they had to have a scapegoat. I only plead guilty to save my family the embarrassment of a trial" blah, blah, blah.
I am a cynical person by nature and very skeptical of people like Litsa. But I have found that 90% of people out there want to believe that all people are good and trustworthy. When the con artists out there start stroking the egos of their "marks," that seals the deal.
Let this be a warning to the folks in Chantilly and others in the future who may deal with Litsa. I don't know the woman, but make no mistake. Prosecutors don't charge people with crimes for shits and giggles and people don't plead guilty to crimes they haven't committed. This is a warning.
-------------------------------------------------------
> NotMovingOn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > When she pays back the $180,000 she stole from
> the
> > Navy school community and children then we can
> > move on......please she's enjoying the money
> every
> > day of the week and laughing her ass off... why
> > should she get away with it?
>
> Because she is either 1) just that good or 2) the
> Navy community was too occupied with other shit to
> notice and quite simply let her get away with it.
> Maybe a combination of both.
The one value for keeping this going is so that others will be aware of what kind of person she is. However, it is unfortunate that the Chantilly folks are being suckered in. She's probably given them a song and dance about, "The people at Navy PTA screwed up. There was never $180,000 in the account. To cover themselves, they had to have a scapegoat. I only plead guilty to save my family the embarrassment of a trial" blah, blah, blah.
I am a cynical person by nature and very skeptical of people like Litsa. But I have found that 90% of people out there want to believe that all people are good and trustworthy. When the con artists out there start stroking the egos of their "marks," that seals the deal.
Let this be a warning to the folks in Chantilly and others in the future who may deal with Litsa. I don't know the woman, but make no mistake. Prosecutors don't charge people with crimes for shits and giggles and people don't plead guilty to crimes they haven't committed. This is a warning.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
NOT MOVIN ON
()
Date: June 15, 2009 06:14PM
She will do it again...she did it when she worked downtown for an association and the way that was brought out was by a poster on here who worked with her back then...so I agree, for the good of the community the info about Litsa needs to stay in the fore front on here....MOVE ON?? you gotta be kidding me...she hurt and betrayed so many people and she would not plead guilty and carry a record for crimes that she did not commit. She has now done it twice that we know of so why do you want us to move on.... Why are people defending her criminal actions? Until she pays back the $180,000+ we should NEVER MOVE ON!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Time to Move On
()
Date: June 16, 2009 02:59PM
Your passion is admirable, just misplaced. Find a productive and positive cause to which you can direct your efforts!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
HellNo
()
Date: June 17, 2009 09:55AM
There is not a more productive or positive cause then getting back the $180,000+ for Navy elementary school and preventing her from doing this again. she's done it twice already that we know of...We are passionate to prevent her from doing this again to another unsuspecting organization. Why do you think this is misplaced passion, it is perfectly placed passion.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: June 17, 2009 10:01AM
HellNo Wrote:
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> There is not a more productive or positive cause
> then getting back the $180,000+ for Navy
> elementary school and preventing her from doing
> this again. she's done it twice already that we
> know of...We are passionate to prevent her from
> doing this again to another unsuspecting
> organization. Why do you think this is misplaced
> passion, it is perfectly placed passion.
Have the Navy folks thought about filing a civil suit against her to get the money back? Seriously, she has to have some assets that could be liquidated.
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> There is not a more productive or positive cause
> then getting back the $180,000+ for Navy
> elementary school and preventing her from doing
> this again. she's done it twice already that we
> know of...We are passionate to prevent her from
> doing this again to another unsuspecting
> organization. Why do you think this is misplaced
> passion, it is perfectly placed passion.
Have the Navy folks thought about filing a civil suit against her to get the money back? Seriously, she has to have some assets that could be liquidated.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Iagree
()
Date: June 17, 2009 10:09AM
I agree. Never let this go. She will be out in July and she will be back doing what she does best as soon as she can. Keep the word out about her. She will never change.
You're right. The Navy PTA should sue her. She must have some great assets that she moved to her new, more expensive home.
You're right. The Navy PTA should sue her. She must have some great assets that she moved to her new, more expensive home.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
pissed
()
Date: June 23, 2009 06:20PM
Does the fat cow have to appear before a judge to remove her "ankle bracelet" Does the PTA plan to sue?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Dayne
()
Date: June 23, 2009 07:09PM
pissed Wrote:
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> Does the fat cow have to appear before a judge to
> remove her "ankle bracelet" Does the PTA plan to
> sue?
No she just turns in the equipment to the Sheriff's office.
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> Does the fat cow have to appear before a judge to
> remove her "ankle bracelet" Does the PTA plan to
> sue?
No she just turns in the equipment to the Sheriff's office.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
yourkiddingright
()
Date: June 23, 2009 11:16PM
she probably doesn't even have the ankle bracelet on... how could they get one to fit her big fat ankles
Re: Wh you so men?
Posted by:
Fren of Litta
()
Date: June 26, 2009 05:11PM
I half read these posts and they are so mean. Why are you so men? Real frends of Litta would never let this happen. Friend of Lita
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
jus saying....
()
Date: June 27, 2009 08:45AM
How did she get caught in the first place? Did she slip up? Did someone call her out on it?
Just wondering.
Just wondering.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
and.....
()
Date: June 27, 2009 08:46AM
and what do her kids think of all this? I am sure their friends at school have mentioned what is going on?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian(2)
()
Date: June 27, 2009 02:51PM
jus saying.... Wrote:
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> How did she get caught in the first place? Did
> she slip up? Did someone call her out on it?
>
> Just wondering.
The bank reported activity in an account that was supposed to be closed. That led to an audit which led to the discovery of theft.
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> How did she get caught in the first place? Did
> she slip up? Did someone call her out on it?
>
> Just wondering.
The bank reported activity in an account that was supposed to be closed. That led to an audit which led to the discovery of theft.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
jus saying....
()
Date: June 28, 2009 09:47AM
So, was she the actual treasurer? No annual PTA audits? I would think that would be part of the PTA bylaws.
It just seems amazing to me that SO much money could go unnoticed.
It just seems amazing to me that SO much money could go unnoticed.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian(2)
()
Date: June 28, 2009 10:20AM
jus saying.... Wrote:
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> So, was she the actual treasurer? No annual PTA
> audits? I would think that would be part of the
> PTA bylaws.
>
> It just seems amazing to me that SO much money
> could go unnoticed.
Apparently the oversight was terrible. However, that doesn't excuse what she did.
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> So, was she the actual treasurer? No annual PTA
> audits? I would think that would be part of the
> PTA bylaws.
>
> It just seems amazing to me that SO much money
> could go unnoticed.
Apparently the oversight was terrible. However, that doesn't excuse what she did.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
jus answering...
()
Date: June 28, 2009 12:33PM
as a matter of fact,she was treasurer before she was the Pres..and Yes, audits were done by volunteer Navy parents and the results of the audit were of course given to the President of the PTA , which was Litsa...
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
youareright
()
Date: June 28, 2009 05:45PM
audits were done. i've heard that discrepancies were found by parents, but that litsa always had an explanation and everyone believed her.
Re: Wh you so men?
Posted by:
nofriendofLitsa
()
Date: June 28, 2009 05:47PM
Fren of Litta Wrote:
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> I half read these posts and they are so mean. Why
> are you so men? Real frends of Litta would never
> let this happen. Friend of Lita
We are mean because she lied and stole money from everyone who trusted her. If anyone out there is still her friend and still trusts her, YOU ARE A FOOL. Don't for one minute think she would do this again.
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> I half read these posts and they are so mean. Why
> are you so men? Real frends of Litta would never
> let this happen. Friend of Lita
We are mean because she lied and stole money from everyone who trusted her. If anyone out there is still her friend and still trusts her, YOU ARE A FOOL. Don't for one minute think she would do this again.
Re: Wh you so men?
Posted by:
nofriendofLitsa
()
Date: June 28, 2009 05:50PM
Don't for one minute think she would do
> this again.
Sorry, I meant to say that SHE WILL DO THIS AGAIN!
> this again.
Sorry, I meant to say that SHE WILL DO THIS AGAIN!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Lurker.
()
Date: June 28, 2009 10:50PM
jus saying.... Wrote:
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> How did she get caught in the first place? Did
> she slip up? Did someone call her out on it?
>
> Just wondering.
The PTA had changed accounts and Litsa was trying to withdraw money from an account the bank had closed thinking it was an old PTA account. The bank became suspicious and looked back at past transactions with the account. They then called Fairfax County police. Police audited the bank records and charged Litsa with embezzlement of $180,000.
My guess is Litsa had a secret PTA account that wasn't on the PTA books and she deposited some large PTA fundraising checks in it and was using that for personal withdrawals. The bank probably believed she was withdrawing money for PTA purposes and the account was on the PTA books.
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> How did she get caught in the first place? Did
> she slip up? Did someone call her out on it?
>
> Just wondering.
The PTA had changed accounts and Litsa was trying to withdraw money from an account the bank had closed thinking it was an old PTA account. The bank became suspicious and looked back at past transactions with the account. They then called Fairfax County police. Police audited the bank records and charged Litsa with embezzlement of $180,000.
My guess is Litsa had a secret PTA account that wasn't on the PTA books and she deposited some large PTA fundraising checks in it and was using that for personal withdrawals. The bank probably believed she was withdrawing money for PTA purposes and the account was on the PTA books.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
question
()
Date: June 29, 2009 08:03PM
How did the school not lose it's charter as a result of this?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
answer
()
Date: June 30, 2009 03:28PM
Litsa switched the school from a PTA to a PTO before she left with the cash.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
question
()
Date: July 01, 2009 07:35AM
Dumb like a fox.... she truly did cover all her bases.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
OUROUNI
()
Date: July 01, 2009 12:29PM
Lita
YOU ARE AN OUROUNI (EW-ROO-NEE)
YOU ARE AN INSULT TO ALL IN YOUR HARDWORKING COMMUNITY
YOU ARE AN OUROUNI (EW-ROO-NEE)
YOU ARE AN INSULT TO ALL IN YOUR HARDWORKING COMMUNITY
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
youreright
()
Date: July 03, 2009 02:20PM
You are exactly right.... Litsa is a big fat greek pig!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
watch out
()
Date: July 08, 2009 04:32PM
She should be out of her "in house" jail sentence very soon...what a joke...she'll probably be right back doing her old tricks...watch out Chantilly,
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
kellen
()
Date: July 09, 2009 11:18PM
She has been out for about a month now.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
what?!
()
Date: July 10, 2009 02:04PM
you're kidding right? her trial was on July 18, 2008 and she should have to stay in her f****g house until July 18, 2009 because her sentence was for one full year.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
dontknow
()
Date: July 11, 2009 09:11AM
she was at Chantilly graduation, but don't know if that means she is "out", however she probably manipulated the system as she always does and will continue to do.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Forgiveness
()
Date: July 14, 2009 10:46AM
The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: July 14, 2009 10:47AM
Forgiveness Wrote:
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> The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the
> attribute of the strong
The weak can never say, "I'm sorry. Let me pay back everything I took."
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> The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the
> attribute of the strong
The weak can never say, "I'm sorry. Let me pay back everything I took."
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
how?
()
Date: July 14, 2009 11:06AM
How is it possible that she is not in jail for what she did? Just because of her enormous size, she's given the one year home confinement? Sorry, but that's not enough of a punishment.
Forgiving this crime is possible only if the criminal has truly repented and changed. It sounds like Litsa has a history of this behavior.
Forgiving this crime is possible only if the criminal has truly repented and changed. It sounds like Litsa has a history of this behavior.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
pissed
()
Date: July 14, 2009 08:34PM
let's be very clear, she never really had any time where she was housebound 24/7. She was allowed a certain amount of time out on a weekly basis. She has not paid for her actions in any way at all. she has actually improved her living situation and she has to pay a pittance $40 a month as restitution. She is one sly bitch! I really want to believe in karma, but I don't see how her repetitive behavior has come to bite her in her fat ass.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
threedaystogo
()
Date: July 15, 2009 06:10AM
She's totally free on Saturday.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Keep scammin
()
Date: July 15, 2009 12:38PM
I am sure she'll be at Nordstrom spending the rest of the $180,000 she stole from everyone. She will pick up right where she left off.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: July 15, 2009 12:55PM
threedaystogo Wrote:
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> She's totally free on Saturday.
That means Chantilly parents will be throwing a big party for her, right? P.T. Barnum had a word for people like that.
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> She's totally free on Saturday.
That means Chantilly parents will be throwing a big party for her, right? P.T. Barnum had a word for people like that.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
absolutely
()
Date: July 15, 2009 05:14PM
I'm sure her good friends in the Highland Oaks and Chantilly Highlands neighborhoods will have a big party in her honor. Remember, she still has lots of friends (I mean suckers) who believe her story that the PTA was "out to get her" and that she didn't do anything wrong.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
LitsaM
()
Date: July 17, 2009 06:30PM
I will be free in just 5 1/2 hours!! I hope to get to Nordstrom by 9am tomorrow morning. See you all around town!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
LitsaM
()
Date: July 19, 2009 11:06PM
It's so great to be free. I had a wonderful weekend shopping at Tysons, going to my favorite restaurants and just spending. Hope to see you all out and about.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Lets All Just Get Along
()
Date: July 20, 2009 07:38AM
Question: Do You Burn More Calories when you Think Hard?
Answer: According to Popular Science1, your brain requires a tenth of a calorie2 per minute, just to stay alive. Compare this to the energy used by your muscles. Walking burns about four calories a minute. Kickboxing can burn through a whopping ten calories a minute. Reading and pondering my blog post? That melts a respectable 1.5 calories a minute. Feel the burn (but try the kickboxing).
The brain is comprised of neurons, cells which communicate with other neurons and transmit messages to and from body tissues. Neurons produce chemicals called neurotransmitters to relay their signals. To produce neurotransmitters, neurons extract 75% of the sugar glucose (available calories) and 20% of the oxygen from the blood. The frontal lobe of your brain is where your thinking takes place, so if you are pondering life's big questions, like what to have for lunch to replace the calories you are burning, that part of your brain will need more glucose.
Answer: According to Popular Science1, your brain requires a tenth of a calorie2 per minute, just to stay alive. Compare this to the energy used by your muscles. Walking burns about four calories a minute. Kickboxing can burn through a whopping ten calories a minute. Reading and pondering my blog post? That melts a respectable 1.5 calories a minute. Feel the burn (but try the kickboxing).
The brain is comprised of neurons, cells which communicate with other neurons and transmit messages to and from body tissues. Neurons produce chemicals called neurotransmitters to relay their signals. To produce neurotransmitters, neurons extract 75% of the sugar glucose (available calories) and 20% of the oxygen from the blood. The frontal lobe of your brain is where your thinking takes place, so if you are pondering life's big questions, like what to have for lunch to replace the calories you are burning, that part of your brain will need more glucose.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Good info
()
Date: July 20, 2009 07:40AM
Gasoline-electric Hybrid Structure
Gasoline-electric hybrid cars contain the following parts:
Gasoline engine - The hybrid car has a gasoline engine much like the one you will find on most cars. However, the engine on a hybrid is smaller and uses advanced technologies to reduce emissions and increase efficiency.
Fuel tank - The fuel tank in a hybrid is the energy storage device for the gasoline engine. Gasoline has a much higher energy density than batteries do. For example, it takes about 1,000 pounds of batteries to store as much energy as 1 gallon (7 pounds) of gasoline.
Electric motor - The electric motor on a hybrid car is very sophisticated. Advanced electronics allow it to act as a motor as well as a generator. For example, when it needs to, it can draw energy from the batteries to accelerate the car. But acting as a generator, it can slow the car down and return energy to the batteries.
Generator - The generator is similar to an electric motor, but it acts only to produce electrical power. It is used mostly on series hybrids (see below).
Batteries - The batteries in a hybrid car are the energy storage device for the electric motor. Unlike the gasoline in the fuel tank, which can only power the gasoline engine, the electric motor on a hybrid car can put energy into the batteries as well as draw energy from them.
Transmission - The transmission on a hybrid car performs the same basic function as the transmission on a conventional car. Some hybrids, like the Honda Insight, have conventional transmissions. Others, like the Toyota Prius, have radically different ones, which we'll talk about later.
Gasoline-electric hybrid cars contain the following parts:
Gasoline engine - The hybrid car has a gasoline engine much like the one you will find on most cars. However, the engine on a hybrid is smaller and uses advanced technologies to reduce emissions and increase efficiency.
Fuel tank - The fuel tank in a hybrid is the energy storage device for the gasoline engine. Gasoline has a much higher energy density than batteries do. For example, it takes about 1,000 pounds of batteries to store as much energy as 1 gallon (7 pounds) of gasoline.
Electric motor - The electric motor on a hybrid car is very sophisticated. Advanced electronics allow it to act as a motor as well as a generator. For example, when it needs to, it can draw energy from the batteries to accelerate the car. But acting as a generator, it can slow the car down and return energy to the batteries.
Generator - The generator is similar to an electric motor, but it acts only to produce electrical power. It is used mostly on series hybrids (see below).
Batteries - The batteries in a hybrid car are the energy storage device for the electric motor. Unlike the gasoline in the fuel tank, which can only power the gasoline engine, the electric motor on a hybrid car can put energy into the batteries as well as draw energy from them.
Transmission - The transmission on a hybrid car performs the same basic function as the transmission on a conventional car. Some hybrids, like the Honda Insight, have conventional transmissions. Others, like the Toyota Prius, have radically different ones, which we'll talk about later.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Gas Guzzler
()
Date: July 20, 2009 11:04AM
Hybrid cars are not the only answer! Doubling the mileage of existing internal combustion engines would completely resolve our oil dependency issue!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Crazy
()
Date: July 20, 2009 11:58AM
Guess Litsa's next victims:
New PTA organizations? Chantilly Boosters?
New PTA organizations? Chantilly Boosters?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Prius Lover
()
Date: July 20, 2009 01:31PM
you are ignoring the effects of the emissions from internal combustion engines.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Lippy
()
Date: July 20, 2009 03:26PM
I don't want to think about emissions from Litsa, thank you
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
jealous americans
()
Date: July 21, 2009 10:18AM
You all are jealous of her and obsessed.
She is a wise latina woman, who with the waelath of her experience, is much wiser (and sexy) THAN YOU ALL WHITEBREAD WRINKLED CRACKERS
She is a wise latina woman, who with the waelath of her experience, is much wiser (and sexy) THAN YOU ALL WHITEBREAD WRINKLED CRACKERS
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: July 21, 2009 10:39AM
So does Litsa's crotch look/smell like Spanakopita?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
golitsa
()
Date: July 22, 2009 01:13PM
I just saw her heading down 66 on her way to The big Nordstroms sale...she hasn't paid anything back so she still has plenty to spend.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
LitsaM
()
Date: July 23, 2009 05:22PM
Gosh, I've been waving to everyone while I drive around town and no one is waving back to me. Have I done something wrong? Are people still mad at me?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
enough already
()
Date: July 23, 2009 11:12PM
hey yentas, enough al-fucking-ready! no one cares, you don't like the sentence? Get the laws changed or vote in some new elected officials. Start with the prosecutor's office.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
oaktonmom
()
Date: July 24, 2009 12:13AM
I love reading about Litsa's adventures ... please don't stop posting!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: July 24, 2009 11:09AM
enough already Wrote:
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> hey yentas, enough al-fucking-ready! no one cares,
> you don't like the sentence? Get the laws changed
> or vote in some new elected officials. Start with
> the prosecutor's office.
Sounds like Litsa wants us to stop talking about her guilty plea. Yeah, she had no choice. Hear that folks? She didn't do anything wrong but The Man forced her to plead guilty.
Anybody who would put her in a position of trust is out of his or her mind. The folks in Chantilly have been warned. Be her friend. Be a sympathetic ear. Be nice to her kids (who did nothing to deserve this that I am aware of). But don't trust her with money.
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> hey yentas, enough al-fucking-ready! no one cares,
> you don't like the sentence? Get the laws changed
> or vote in some new elected officials. Start with
> the prosecutor's office.
Sounds like Litsa wants us to stop talking about her guilty plea. Yeah, she had no choice. Hear that folks? She didn't do anything wrong but The Man forced her to plead guilty.
Anybody who would put her in a position of trust is out of his or her mind. The folks in Chantilly have been warned. Be her friend. Be a sympathetic ear. Be nice to her kids (who did nothing to deserve this that I am aware of). But don't trust her with money.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
pissed
()
Date: July 25, 2009 07:49PM
Don't even begin to believe her husband Doug was innocent in all of this. He is just a slimy as the fat cow. Be warned if you decide to give him any financial responsibility as well.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Katey
()
Date: July 25, 2009 11:02PM
Her husband had to know that the $180,000 came from some where.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
pissed
()
Date: July 26, 2009 12:17PM
He was with her at every event sitting at the table taking the money! Of course he knew about the money.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
shesback
()
Date: July 31, 2009 07:44PM
Just saw Litsa waddling thru the mall with lots of shopping bags, she must be back volunteering somewhere to get her cash flow going again.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
LitsaM
()
Date: August 01, 2009 01:00PM
Just getting ready for our vacation before our son goes off to college. FYI...my volunteering does not start until the first day of fall sports. Can't wait to get behind the cash box again. It's been such a long time.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
spendaway
()
Date: August 06, 2009 04:18PM
So many stores and restaurants to go to, I am so busy spending all my money.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
LitzaM
()
Date: August 06, 2009 04:49PM
Now that I'm out of the house, suggestions for where I can get back into doing accounting for a local charity or fund raising group. I'm eager to get started again, I need a new Lexus.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Enjoying
()
Date: August 07, 2009 03:25PM
What country club will Litsa be at this weekend?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
LitsaM
()
Date: August 07, 2009 07:03PM
I still have some friends at International or maybe I will just stay at my new community's pool.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
pissed
()
Date: August 08, 2009 10:50AM
you don't have friends...............you have idiots that weren't directly impacted by your lieing and stealing so they feel compelled to still listen to your wo is me bullshit.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
right on
()
Date: August 12, 2009 05:55PM
ain't that the truth
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
hmmmm
()
Date: August 14, 2009 11:19PM
now that the fat pig is officially off house arrest who makes sure she is actually paying the money back?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
dunno
()
Date: August 16, 2009 11:06AM
you would think the angry Navy PTO would be on top of that..or maybe they don't care,hey its only $75,000!!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
did you know
()
Date: August 16, 2009 11:15AM
she has only paid back the original $10,000 and one payment of $40.00. so, here's the lesson learned. Steal $180,000 and pay back $10,040.00 and no one else cares.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
sighting
()
Date: October 16, 2009 11:13AM
My husband saw Litsa eating at the Palm in Tysons this week. What the heck is wrong with this picture? At this point though, I am not shocked at all.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: October 16, 2009 11:43AM
sighting Wrote:
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> My husband saw Litsa eating at the Palm in Tysons
> this week. What the heck is wrong with this
> picture? At this point though, I am not shocked
> at all.
How'd she afford that?
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> My husband saw Litsa eating at the Palm in Tysons
> this week. What the heck is wrong with this
> picture? At this point though, I am not shocked
> at all.
How'd she afford that?
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
LitsaM
()
Date: October 16, 2009 03:54PM
I still have $169,960 left
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
keep eatin
()
Date: October 17, 2009 11:31AM
who was she with, her whole family? That must have been a big bill, but she can afford it since she is not paying back the money she stole from Navy anyway. Keep eatin Litsa.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: October 17, 2009 11:34AM
keep eatin Wrote:
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> who was she with, her whole family? That must have
> been a big bill, but she can afford it since she
> is not paying back the money she stole from Navy
> anyway. Keep eatin Litsa.
They were celebrating how she got away with it.
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> who was she with, her whole family? That must have
> been a big bill, but she can afford it since she
> is not paying back the money she stole from Navy
> anyway. Keep eatin Litsa.
They were celebrating how she got away with it.
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Opus
()
Date: January 28, 2010 06:36AM
So nice to see Litsa paying $25 a month. It was just a $180,000 accounting error. Forgot that she had TWO bank accounts fro donations.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Grumble
()
Date: January 28, 2010 12:22PM
At that rate ($25/Month) it will take her 600 years to pay all the money back, and that's without interest.
How did you find out how much she is paying?
How did you find out how much she is paying?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
enquiring minds NEED to know
()
Date: July 06, 2010 01:31PM
Any news on Litsa? How is her summer going? Which pool does she attend?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: July 06, 2010 01:34PM
enquiring minds NEED to know Wrote:
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> Which pool does she attend?
This one...Until she dived into it....
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> Which pool does she attend?
This one...Until she dived into it....
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
$$$
()
Date: August 06, 2010 02:17PM
How is my buddy Lista doing these days? How much of the $180,000 she stole has she returned?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
exnavy
()
Date: August 06, 2010 04:32PM
She supposedly is paying $40 a month back. I'm sure she's sunning herself at her new neighborhood pool.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Qwest
()
Date: August 09, 2010 09:49AM
exnavy Wrote:
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> She supposedly is paying $40 a month back. I'm
> sure she's sunning herself at her new neighborhood
> pool.
It's Monday morning, I really don't a visual of Litsa sunning herself at neighborhood pool.
My guess is she's probably working on the next place to ripoff. I wouldn't be surprised if she running the Chantilly boosters operation now.
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> She supposedly is paying $40 a month back. I'm
> sure she's sunning herself at her new neighborhood
> pool.
It's Monday morning, I really don't a visual of Litsa sunning herself at neighborhood pool.
My guess is she's probably working on the next place to ripoff. I wouldn't be surprised if she running the Chantilly boosters operation now.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
where
()
Date: April 28, 2011 04:02PM
Do you hink Litsa and her family enjoyed their spring break cruise? Anyone know what ports of call they visited?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Robbed
()
Date: April 28, 2011 08:28PM
The moral of the story is steal $180,000 because you don't have to pay it back, you can throw some awesome parties and you can go cruises with the money later.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
victim
()
Date: April 29, 2011 01:47PM
anyone know which cruise line she went on and how she paid for it?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Litsa
()
Date: April 29, 2011 03:10PM
victim Wrote:
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> anyone know which cruise line she went on and how
> she paid for it?
Don't mean how Navy donations paid for it?
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> anyone know which cruise line she went on and how
> she paid for it?
Don't mean how Navy donations paid for it?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Ut videam
()
Date: June 09, 2011 02:34PM
Wow, looks like Loudoun has surpassed Fairfax in more than just median income—this bitch makes Litsa look like a rank amateur:
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/36/597202.html
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/36/597202.html
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WhazUp
()
Date: July 27, 2011 01:21PM
Anybody know what Litsa is up to these days?
Is she back in the business of making money off donations of organizations?
Is she back in the business of making money off donations of organizations?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Lauren
()
Date: August 01, 2011 12:32PM
I last saw Litsa at a Chantilly football game. Surprised she has the nerve to show her face in public.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: August 01, 2011 12:49PM
WhazUp Wrote:
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> Anybody know what Litsa is up to these days?
>
800lbs
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> Anybody know what Litsa is up to these days?
>
800lbs
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Lauren
()
Date: August 02, 2011 01:50AM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> WhazUp Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anybody know what Litsa is up to these days?
> >
>
> 800lbs
+1
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> WhazUp Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anybody know what Litsa is up to these days?
> >
>
> 800lbs
+1
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Jessica
()
Date: August 02, 2011 07:17PM
So,
What is Trianafatlisa up to these days?
What is Trianafatlisa up to these days?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Concerned Parents
()
Date: August 13, 2011 09:46PM
Jessica Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So,
>
> What is Trianafatlisa up to these days?
Same old sh#t
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> So,
>
> What is Trianafatlisa up to these days?
Same old sh#t
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Popeye1
()
Date: August 14, 2011 05:04PM
Why does a PTA have that huge of cash balance?? There needs to be a least an annual audit of the books if you are dealing with sums that large.
I know a small non profit takes in roughly $3000/yr and those books are checked annually by a outside firm. Seems like the PTA had no financial controls.
I know a small non profit takes in roughly $3000/yr and those books are checked annually by a outside firm. Seems like the PTA had no financial controls.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Vote for Triantafilitsa Mattfeld for School Board???
()
Date: August 14, 2011 05:09PM
Triantafilitsa Mattfeld is running for School Board! She just announced it today!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Litsa
()
Date: August 14, 2011 05:33PM
From the news reports Litsa was controlling the money. Apparently the bank did some re-oragnizing of accounts from PTO or PTA to a new account setup. Litsa then tried to withdrawl money from an account that was suspicious to a bank employee.
My guess is she might of had a side account that didn't get moved when everything was converted. When she tried to withdrawl money on the old side account the bank manager probably freaked out thinking they had forgot to moved an old account into the new account. That sparked an investigation leading to calling the fraud department of FPD and her arrest.
The problem is nobody actually knows when money is donated exactly where their contribution is spent. If you give $2000 to charity do you really follow that contribution? No you take the charity word. Look at a lot of big charities that have executives that make $500,000 in salary.
My guess is she might of had a side account that didn't get moved when everything was converted. When she tried to withdrawl money on the old side account the bank manager probably freaked out thinking they had forgot to moved an old account into the new account. That sparked an investigation leading to calling the fraud department of FPD and her arrest.
The problem is nobody actually knows when money is donated exactly where their contribution is spent. If you give $2000 to charity do you really follow that contribution? No you take the charity word. Look at a lot of big charities that have executives that make $500,000 in salary.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Jessica
()
Date: April 18, 2012 05:27PM
So,
What is Trianafatlisa up to these days?
What is Trianafatlisa up to these days?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: April 18, 2012 05:34PM
Jessica Wrote:
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> So,
>
> What is Trianafatlisa up to these days?
836 lbs
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> So,
>
> What is Trianafatlisa up to these days?
836 lbs
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Litsa
()
Date: August 07, 2012 10:28PM
Anyboyd heard of Litsa? Is she still around?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
lolyer
()
Date: August 07, 2012 11:27PM
Damn.. I was hoping to follow another yet again, a Fairfax Embezzlement story.. Shucks.. Slow news day I suppose.. Come on fellow Fairfax'sters - I know someone in Reston or Tysons corner has to fall behind on bills or get laid off - and embezzled some shit.. Im a disappoint in u Fairfax
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Lockie
()
Date: November 01, 2012 08:46PM
What's that tricky Litsa up to?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
CatNip
()
Date: January 02, 2013 01:47PM
Litsa check? Anybody seen her lately?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
formernavyparent
()
Date: January 03, 2013 05:04PM
Has she paid any of it back? Does the PTO care anymore?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
404ed
()
Date: January 03, 2013 05:10PM
Holy hell. She's huge! Or is that a function of image stretching?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Litsa
()
Date: June 11, 2013 10:13AM
formernavyparent Wrote:
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> Has she paid any of it back? Does the PTO care
> anymore?
Anybody know if she has paid all the money back now?
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> Has she paid any of it back? Does the PTO care
> anymore?
Anybody know if she has paid all the money back now?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Fox Mill
()
Date: June 11, 2013 10:18AM
Litsa Wrote:
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> formernavyparent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Has she paid any of it back? Does the PTO care
> > anymore?
>
> Anybody know if she has paid all the money back
> now?
I am sure she has. I saw her in Neiman Marcus last weekend. She certainly wouldn't be shopping there if she still owed the money.
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> formernavyparent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Has she paid any of it back? Does the PTO care
> > anymore?
>
> Anybody know if she has paid all the money back
> now?
I am sure she has. I saw her in Neiman Marcus last weekend. She certainly wouldn't be shopping there if she still owed the money.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Lexus
()
Date: June 11, 2013 10:26AM
Fox Mill Wrote:
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> Litsa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > formernavyparent Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Has she paid any of it back? Does the PTO
> care
> > > anymore?
> >
> > Anybody know if she has paid all the money back
> > now?
>
>
> I am sure she has. I saw her in Neiman Marcus
> last weekend. She certainly wouldn't be shopping
> there if she still owed the money.
Is she still driving her Lexus and having birthday parties at the Chantilly Country club?
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> Litsa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > formernavyparent Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Has she paid any of it back? Does the PTO
> care
> > > anymore?
> >
> > Anybody know if she has paid all the money back
> > now?
>
>
> I am sure she has. I saw her in Neiman Marcus
> last weekend. She certainly wouldn't be shopping
> there if she still owed the money.
Is she still driving her Lexus and having birthday parties at the Chantilly Country club?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
is she home yet?
()
Date: June 11, 2013 10:32AM
Is she home yet?
Lurker. Wrote:
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> PTA Embezzlement
> On Wednesday, August 22
> Triantafilitsa Mattfeld, 48, of 3929 Collis
> Oak Court, turned herself into police. She was
> charged with two counts of felony embezzlement.
> Mattfeld served as Treasurer and President of the
> Navy Elementary School Parent Teacher Association
> from 2001 to 2006. The PTA was recently
> re-organized and is now known as the Parent
> Teacher Organization. It is alleged that during
> her tenure she embezzled over $180,000 from the
> PTA. Mattfeld was transported to the Fairfax
> County Adult Detention Center.
>
> "Triantafilitsa???????????????????"
Is she home yet?
Attachments:
Lurker. Wrote:
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> PTA Embezzlement
> On Wednesday, August 22
> Triantafilitsa Mattfeld, 48, of 3929 Collis
> Oak Court, turned herself into police. She was
> charged with two counts of felony embezzlement.
> Mattfeld served as Treasurer and President of the
> Navy Elementary School Parent Teacher Association
> from 2001 to 2006. The PTA was recently
> re-organized and is now known as the Parent
> Teacher Organization. It is alleged that during
> her tenure she embezzled over $180,000 from the
> PTA. Mattfeld was transported to the Fairfax
> County Adult Detention Center.
>
> "Triantafilitsa???????????????????"
Is she home yet?
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Thank You, Jack Dale
()
Date: June 11, 2013 10:33AM
If we did not have foolish things like PTA and Boosters she would have had to find another place to steal from.
Jack Dale managed to "sell" school spirit so well things like this get overlooked, to say nothing of the multitudinous opportunities for scams like this. I'll bet there's more than pocket change in some band trip fund, for example.
Jack Dale managed to "sell" school spirit so well things like this get overlooked, to say nothing of the multitudinous opportunities for scams like this. I'll bet there's more than pocket change in some band trip fund, for example.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Poor Jack
()
Date: June 11, 2013 12:17PM
Thank You, Jack Dale Wrote:
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> If we did not have foolish things like PTA and
> Boosters she would have had to find another place
> to steal from.
>
> Jack Dale managed to "sell" school spirit so well
> things like this get overlooked, to say nothing of
> the multitudinous opportunities for scams like
> this. I'll bet there's more than pocket change in
> some band trip fund, for example.
No wonder Jack's "Black Heart" almost gave out.
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> If we did not have foolish things like PTA and
> Boosters she would have had to find another place
> to steal from.
>
> Jack Dale managed to "sell" school spirit so well
> things like this get overlooked, to say nothing of
> the multitudinous opportunities for scams like
> this. I'll bet there's more than pocket change in
> some band trip fund, for example.
No wonder Jack's "Black Heart" almost gave out.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
facepalm
()
Date: June 12, 2013 12:15AM
How did this woman get caught to begin with? Did someone FINALLY after 6 years wonder why the checking account was a little light?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
LittleFeet
()
Date: February 10, 2014 11:49AM
How is Litsa doing?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
aging debbie does dallas fan
()
Date: February 10, 2014 12:04PM
i see. so a spic can turn herself in when $180,000 is missing
but i am arrested in the workplace un-allowed to turn myself in when there are false charges waiting
no wonder i'm suing
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you shouldn't publicize court matters unless her connection with the 180,000 is proven. if it is, then never mind
but i am arrested in the workplace un-allowed to turn myself in when there are false charges waiting
no wonder i'm suing
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you shouldn't publicize court matters unless her connection with the 180,000 is proven. if it is, then never mind
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
aging debbie does dallas fan
()
Date: February 10, 2014 12:06PM
but FCPS and even moreso VA colleges get up to $1,000,000 (that right, one million dollars) salary
so this "missing money" is goign to be returned to who ?
the bigger thieves
so this "missing money" is goign to be returned to who ?
the bigger thieves
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Def
()
Date: February 10, 2014 12:19PM
I think Litsa was sentenced to pay back $25 a month to the county. What a joke.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
guess what?!?!?!?
()
Date: February 16, 2014 08:56PM
I heard from a neighbor that she moved out in the middle of the night after her electronic bracelet was removed. That is one way to avoid paying back what you steal.
She used to park herself right at the cash box at the Fair Oaks Estates Swim Team meets. Wonder where all that went, too.
She used to park herself right at the cash box at the Fair Oaks Estates Swim Team meets. Wonder where all that went, too.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
GT3
()
Date: February 17, 2014 08:32AM
Since all PTA's have to be audited each year how can this happen? How could bank statements not reflect this type of shortage? The PTA in my school is lucky to earn 40K a year. You never have people alone counting money in a room you always have two people. This just blows my mind. Why didn't the PTA decide to sue her and get a judgment against her and I don't mean for the $25 she was ordered to back by the courts. A school can do a whole lot of good with that kind of money.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
guess what?!?!?!?
()
Date: February 17, 2014 08:57AM
They went to court. She admitted the whole thing. She was supposed to pay it back. They never do. She was electronically incarcerated in her home.
They had an old bank account from when they were a PTA instead of the PTO they are now. Everybody forgot about the old account. That was where she was putting the money. Why nobody could see that they were missing a bunch of money is anybody's guess. She was writing checks out of that and putting the money into a personal account. Don't know how checks made out to a PTO could get into an account for a PTA but maybe the bank wasn't checking that closely. I suppose you could easily change an O to an A. Don't know all the details. A PTO may or may not do an audit. Some non-profits haven't done any audits or internal reviews. PTO is separate from PTA. They are an independent group.
These parent groups are ripe for problems. Untrained people, trusting people, etc.
They had an old bank account from when they were a PTA instead of the PTO they are now. Everybody forgot about the old account. That was where she was putting the money. Why nobody could see that they were missing a bunch of money is anybody's guess. She was writing checks out of that and putting the money into a personal account. Don't know how checks made out to a PTO could get into an account for a PTA but maybe the bank wasn't checking that closely. I suppose you could easily change an O to an A. Don't know all the details. A PTO may or may not do an audit. Some non-profits haven't done any audits or internal reviews. PTO is separate from PTA. They are an independent group.
These parent groups are ripe for problems. Untrained people, trusting people, etc.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
she'll never pay
()
Date: February 17, 2014 10:32AM
PTA's may have to be audited, but PTO's are self run and can create their own policies and practices. Litsa was very good in getting this set to a PTO before she left her position. Therefore, there was no responsibility to the National PTA organization anymore. Had the school kept the PTA, the national PTA would have sued her for the money. She was very slick.
She was also very authoritative and manipulative. Very easy to take cash from events home and count it as her little assistants would run back to their homes and holes. No one questioned Litsa.
She had her hands in a lot of pots and I'm sure she's back at it.
She was also very authoritative and manipulative. Very easy to take cash from events home and count it as her little assistants would run back to their homes and holes. No one questioned Litsa.
She had her hands in a lot of pots and I'm sure she's back at it.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Arrest Record Updated
()
Date: February 17, 2014 01:31PM
In the arrest record it shows that she has duplicate embezzlement charges...
"MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","044"," ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," "," ","01/04/2004","RECKLE/20 MPH OVER LIMIT "
"MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","046"," ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," "," ","04/03/2006","50-54MPH/35MPH ZONE "
"MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","047"," ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," "," ","08/22/2007","EMBEZZLEMENT FELONY "
"MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","047"," ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," "," ","08/22/2007","EMBEZZLEMENT FELONY "
"MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","044"," ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," "," ","01/04/2004","RECKLE/20 MPH OVER LIMIT "
"MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","046"," ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," "," ","04/03/2006","50-54MPH/35MPH ZONE "
"MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","047"," ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," "," ","08/22/2007","EMBEZZLEMENT FELONY "
"MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","047"," ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," "," ","08/22/2007","EMBEZZLEMENT FELONY "
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Deft
()
Date: February 17, 2014 03:55PM
Arrest Record Updated Wrote:
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> In the arrest record it shows that she has
> duplicate embezzlement charges...
>
> "MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","044","
> ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," ","
> ","01/04/2004","RECKLE/20 MPH OVER LIMIT
> "
> "MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","046","
> ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," ","
> ","04/03/2006","50-54MPH/35MPH ZONE
> "
> "MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","047","
> ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," ","
> ","08/22/2007","EMBEZZLEMENT FELONY
> "
> "MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","047","
> ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," ","
> ","08/22/2007","EMBEZZLEMENT FELONY
> "
How can there be now address recorded???? She was sentenced in a court? With a lawyer.
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> In the arrest record it shows that she has
> duplicate embezzlement charges...
>
> "MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","044","
> ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," ","
> ","01/04/2004","RECKLE/20 MPH OVER LIMIT
> "
> "MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","046","
> ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," ","
> ","04/03/2006","50-54MPH/35MPH ZONE
> "
> "MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","047","
> ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," ","
> ","08/22/2007","EMBEZZLEMENT FELONY
> "
> "MATTFELD ","TRIANTAFILIT","M","047","
> ","NO ADDRESS RECORDED "," "," ","
> ","08/22/2007","EMBEZZLEMENT FELONY
> "
How can there be now address recorded???? She was sentenced in a court? With a lawyer.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
guess what?!?!?!?
()
Date: February 17, 2014 05:00PM
The PTO should have had a bond. However, if they didn't meet the conditions of the bond and their officer liability policy, they wouldn't pay up. A lot of parent-run organizations are very sloppy. It is a lot of work, people don't understand how this can happen and how to prevent it, etc.
If nobody else was paying attention to the bank statements, etc. they are probably screwed as far as insurance.
She had an embezzlement history in the past, supposedly.
What a nasty person. I saw her drive. Not surprised at the speeding tickets, either.
If nobody else was paying attention to the bank statements, etc. they are probably screwed as far as insurance.
She had an embezzlement history in the past, supposedly.
What a nasty person. I saw her drive. Not surprised at the speeding tickets, either.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Where's Litsa?
()
Date: May 06, 2014 04:08PM
How is our girl Litsa doing? Has she found a new charity or organization to work the books at?
Is she still a member of the Chantilly boosters?
Is she still a member of the Chantilly boosters?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Where's Litsa?
()
Date: July 31, 2014 09:36AM
Did the county get their money back yet from Litsa?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
right
()
Date: July 31, 2014 03:37PM
Dream on.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Tricky Litsa
()
Date: October 17, 2014 03:17PM
Any updates on Litsa? Has she paid back the $180,000 she took from the Chantilly boosters?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Bad Timing
()
Date: October 17, 2014 07:03PM
You picked a bad day to resurrect this thread. Too much else going on.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Ebola victim???????
()
Date: October 17, 2014 07:35PM
Will Litsa catch Ebola?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Vbn
()
Date: October 18, 2014 08:59AM
Where's Litsa? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Did the county get their money back yet from
> Litsa?
It wasn't county money. It was money taken from parents, children, etc.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Did the county get their money back yet from
> Litsa?
It wasn't county money. It was money taken from parents, children, etc.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Litza??
()
Date: January 13, 2015 10:03AM
How is our buddy Litza doing? Any reports?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
See those tail lights?
()
Date: January 13, 2015 10:13AM
I am sure she is long gone. So is the money.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
fond memories
()
Date: January 13, 2015 11:06AM
Is Litsa's pussy still the moist succulent paradise of Chantilly that all the local dads go to for release?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
WTFers???
()
Date: January 13, 2015 11:21AM
fond memories Wrote:
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> Is Litsa's pussy still the moist succulent
> paradise of Chantilly that all the local dads go
> to for release?
God I hope not. That would be really sad. Have you seen pictures of her?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Is Litsa's pussy still the moist succulent
> paradise of Chantilly that all the local dads go
> to for release?
God I hope not. That would be really sad. Have you seen pictures of her?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
fond memories
()
Date: January 13, 2015 11:50AM
WTFers??? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> fond memories Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Is Litsa's pussy still the moist succulent
> > paradise of Chantilly that all the local dads
> go
> > to for release?
>
> God I hope not. That would be really sad. Have
> you seen pictures of her?
Yes, and I have more than a few in my private collection.
-------------------------------------------------------
> fond memories Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Is Litsa's pussy still the moist succulent
> > paradise of Chantilly that all the local dads
> go
> > to for release?
>
> God I hope not. That would be really sad. Have
> you seen pictures of her?
Yes, and I have more than a few in my private collection.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
WYcHw
()
Date: January 13, 2015 06:14PM
most of sharon bull-o-va gov fit into the class of, in their career, embesseling that much or more
$1,000,000 embesseled fro many of those FCPS - each.
when i look at billions missing i'm not looking for one f'ing foreigner
i'm looking at all of them acting as a knowing group
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Litsa Watch
()
Date: February 20, 2015 03:25PM
Anybody know if Litsa has repaid the $180,000? Is she sill under house arrest?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
hewitt99890
()
Date: February 20, 2015 11:46PM
She does send the school a small amount of money every month. It goes through the court first and then comes to the school. The envelope is stamped by the court system.
The cop leading the investigation refused to search her house for funds or expensive items or stuff like that. He told the people from the school that in these embezzlement cases the embezzler fritters away the money on things like going out to eat, vacations, etc. The person does not fill up shoe boxes at home with cash. So the cops never went through her stuff even looking for things. Everything she had of value she got to keep, no questions asked.
While she pleaded guilty she did NOT admit fault. She stood up in court and said it was a big misunderstanding, that she'd gotten funds mixed up, etc. Many were more than a bit surprised that a person could plead guilty and deny wrong-doing, but that's what she did.
She got away with it because the school's administration and the other members of the PTA were lazy and didn't follow basic money-handling principles. Also Litsa, for no good reason explained at the time, had the school switch from being a PTA to a PTO. Again, no good reason, except for the fact--learned afterwards--that once a school makes the switch the forensic accounting provided free of charge in cases of feared wrongdoing is no longer available. Nicely done, Litsa.
Again, you had a bunch of people who were lazy and never did what they were supposed to do. Had two people been counting the money, two people been reviewing the books, two people getting bank statements, none of this would have happened. Many local people who did business with the PTA and never got paid because Litsa was skimming never made a stink about it because nobody wants to be the dick putting the squeeze on a neighborhood school. They'd get screwed out of $400 for t-shirts or whatever and they'd just sigh and write it off. And the school never did the annual audit of the PTA's books. That was just simply not done. That was a huge foul up. And, let's be honest and fair, people simply don't think this is happening. They contribute $100 and buy cakes at the bake sale and pitch in and help out and nobody expects somebody to be skimming. Good people don't mentally expect or prepare for bad people, especially in some place like a PTA meeting.
Really, I wish somebody would have beaten her up or burned her car or done something to her. She stole a pile of money ($180,000 is the LOW estimate) and stole it from kids and a school. And she continues to walk around through the community today like nothing happened.
The cop leading the investigation refused to search her house for funds or expensive items or stuff like that. He told the people from the school that in these embezzlement cases the embezzler fritters away the money on things like going out to eat, vacations, etc. The person does not fill up shoe boxes at home with cash. So the cops never went through her stuff even looking for things. Everything she had of value she got to keep, no questions asked.
While she pleaded guilty she did NOT admit fault. She stood up in court and said it was a big misunderstanding, that she'd gotten funds mixed up, etc. Many were more than a bit surprised that a person could plead guilty and deny wrong-doing, but that's what she did.
She got away with it because the school's administration and the other members of the PTA were lazy and didn't follow basic money-handling principles. Also Litsa, for no good reason explained at the time, had the school switch from being a PTA to a PTO. Again, no good reason, except for the fact--learned afterwards--that once a school makes the switch the forensic accounting provided free of charge in cases of feared wrongdoing is no longer available. Nicely done, Litsa.
Again, you had a bunch of people who were lazy and never did what they were supposed to do. Had two people been counting the money, two people been reviewing the books, two people getting bank statements, none of this would have happened. Many local people who did business with the PTA and never got paid because Litsa was skimming never made a stink about it because nobody wants to be the dick putting the squeeze on a neighborhood school. They'd get screwed out of $400 for t-shirts or whatever and they'd just sigh and write it off. And the school never did the annual audit of the PTA's books. That was just simply not done. That was a huge foul up. And, let's be honest and fair, people simply don't think this is happening. They contribute $100 and buy cakes at the bake sale and pitch in and help out and nobody expects somebody to be skimming. Good people don't mentally expect or prepare for bad people, especially in some place like a PTA meeting.
Really, I wish somebody would have beaten her up or burned her car or done something to her. She stole a pile of money ($180,000 is the LOW estimate) and stole it from kids and a school. And she continues to walk around through the community today like nothing happened.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Correction
()
Date: February 21, 2015 06:13AM
A sad situation nicely summarized, except that the school had nothing to do with this. The school administration has nothing to do with the finances of a PTA or PTO. The school isn't responsible for doing an audit. The school didn't switch from being a PTA to a PTO. The parents did, and probably with a vote. These parent groups are freestanding non-profits. She probably doesn't send the money to the school. She probably sends it to the PTO. Did the PTA or PTO carry coverage? If nobody else was paying attention to bank statements they probably would not help either in the event of a loss.
All this shows why you don't want to funnel huge sums of money through a parent group bank account unless that is your only option. And why if students are used to raise funds, the money should run through a school account. They have a huge insurance/self-insurance setup. That way at least the kids are protected. If the school screws up and the insurance company doesn't pay up, they have reserves set aside and can cover losses. Yes, it comes from our taxes and things, but at least if a bunch of kids (or parents) have money stolen from them by a school employee there is hope that they can have a trip payment, etc. covered and not have to come up with it themselves. The taxpayers/ school system have to cover for school employee embezzlement. Hopefully. They don't have to cover for PTA or PTO.
She drove a pretty nice car. Ridiculous that they can't seize assets for this. When the TJ finance tech made off with public funds they seized her real estate.
Sounds good to me.
All this shows why you don't want to funnel huge sums of money through a parent group bank account unless that is your only option. And why if students are used to raise funds, the money should run through a school account. They have a huge insurance/self-insurance setup. That way at least the kids are protected. If the school screws up and the insurance company doesn't pay up, they have reserves set aside and can cover losses. Yes, it comes from our taxes and things, but at least if a bunch of kids (or parents) have money stolen from them by a school employee there is hope that they can have a trip payment, etc. covered and not have to come up with it themselves. The taxpayers/ school system have to cover for school employee embezzlement. Hopefully. They don't have to cover for PTA or PTO.
She drove a pretty nice car. Ridiculous that they can't seize assets for this. When the TJ finance tech made off with public funds they seized her real estate.
Sounds good to me.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
tj tech fiasco
()
Date: February 21, 2015 09:10AM
http://www.tjhsst.edu/parents-community/ptsa/documents/techcetera-2009-2010/Techcetera2010_April.pdf
In the newsletter they said they were insured and the missing money was totally covered.
In the newsletter they said they were insured and the missing money was totally covered.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
tj tech fiasco
()
Date: February 21, 2015 09:12AM
This is what happens to employees who do this stuff.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
tj tech fiasco
()
Date: February 21, 2015 09:21AM
Because the school receives federal funding, they treated this as a Federal offense and went after her. They got her home and other assets as a start.
http://archive.wusa9.com/news/article/101018/0/Thomas-Jefferson-HS-Embezzler-Pleads-Guilty
None of this rinky dink Booster and PTA coverage.
http://archive.wusa9.com/news/article/101018/0/Thomas-Jefferson-HS-Embezzler-Pleads-Guilty
None of this rinky dink Booster and PTA coverage.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
tj finance tech fiasco
()
Date: February 21, 2015 10:01AM
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is what happens to employees who do this
> stuff.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/06/AR2010050603429.html
> This is what happens to employees who do this
> stuff.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/06/AR2010050603429.html
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Real Truth
()
Date: March 24, 2015 02:55PM
All of these donations type orgs have people who skim money.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Ralph1
()
Date: March 24, 2015 03:22PM
Was it ever commented that this lady was a Compulsive Gambler?
That's my opinion and the money went to feeding her habit in Vegas, Atlantic City and local casino's. Many other cases are found to go down this road.
Comments.
That's my opinion and the money went to feeding her habit in Vegas, Atlantic City and local casino's. Many other cases are found to go down this road.
Comments.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
finance tech was gambler
()
Date: March 24, 2015 06:13PM
Ralph1 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Was it ever commented that this lady was a
> Compulsive Gambler?
>
> That's my opinion and the money went to feeding
> her habit in Vegas, Atlantic City and local
> casino's. Many other cases are found to go down
> this road.
>
> Comments.
-----Yes it was very clearly noted that the TJ finance tech was a compulsive gambler. Don't know about the PTO Treasurer. Anybody know what she used all the money for? Probably personal expenses.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Was it ever commented that this lady was a
> Compulsive Gambler?
>
> That's my opinion and the money went to feeding
> her habit in Vegas, Atlantic City and local
> casino's. Many other cases are found to go down
> this road.
>
> Comments.
-----Yes it was very clearly noted that the TJ finance tech was a compulsive gambler. Don't know about the PTO Treasurer. Anybody know what she used all the money for? Probably personal expenses.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
4Fphd
()
Date: March 25, 2015 10:24PM
$100,000 so f'ing what
it never was legal what they are doing on the first DIME
they have inflated the holy crap out of the area while also hugely increasing the number of people needing income without making ANY headway on creating any (production/export)
bull-o-va gov democrats began with a small surplus in the late 80s'
they have spent 2 billion and are not even paying interest on the interest for the 2 billion since then
and they tell us: we're going to double our pay and want another billion for a single fiscal year
it never was legal what they are doing on the first DIME
they have inflated the holy crap out of the area while also hugely increasing the number of people needing income without making ANY headway on creating any (production/export)
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
P9kwd
()
Date: March 25, 2015 10:27PM
impress me. make something and sell it to NOT YOUR FRIEND GOV WORKER WHO HAS TO BUY IT TO BE IN YOUR PYRAMID GAME - but to a willing buyer - exported
like china does (well kinda - thats called dumping and fraud by ny,ny - but whatever)
does fucking any country make anything except china ?
not incl mexico i know those engine plants were bought by american car makers to get cheap labor: not mexican auto plants.
like china does (well kinda - thats called dumping and fraud by ny,ny - but whatever)
does fucking any country make anything except china ?
not incl mexico i know those engine plants were bought by american car makers to get cheap labor: not mexican auto plants.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
jujPW
()
Date: March 25, 2015 10:29PM
oh i forgot. dc has a product. ordering huge miitary products using taxes in another state.
then dc democrats leaking the plans to the f'ing foreigners obama hires in dc (who today: are PAID to take it)
yea that's an export alright !
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
¥¥¥¥¥¥
()
Date: May 21, 2015 08:51PM
¥¥¥¥¥¥
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Brett "fifth year senior" Trapp
()
Date: May 21, 2015 08:55PM
They had Boosterthon at Navy. Where, again, did all of that money go?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
The Verdict
()
Date: June 25, 2015 09:49PM
Brett "fifth year senior" Trapp Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> They had Boosterthon at Navy. Where, again, did
> all of that money go?
Litsa spent apparently -
She does send the school a small amount of money every month. It goes through the court first and then comes to the school. The envelope is stamped by the court system.
The cop leading the investigation refused to search her house for funds or expensive items or stuff like that. He told the people from the school that in these embezzlement cases the embezzler fritters away the money on things like going out to eat, vacations, etc. The person does not fill up shoe boxes at home with cash. So the cops never went through her stuff even looking for things. Everything she had of value she got to keep, no questions asked.
While she pleaded guilty she did NOT admit fault. She stood up in court and said it was a big misunderstanding, that she'd gotten funds mixed up, etc. Many were more than a bit surprised that a person could plead guilty and deny wrong-doing, but that's what she did.
-------------------------------------------------------
> They had Boosterthon at Navy. Where, again, did
> all of that money go?
Litsa spent apparently -
She does send the school a small amount of money every month. It goes through the court first and then comes to the school. The envelope is stamped by the court system.
The cop leading the investigation refused to search her house for funds or expensive items or stuff like that. He told the people from the school that in these embezzlement cases the embezzler fritters away the money on things like going out to eat, vacations, etc. The person does not fill up shoe boxes at home with cash. So the cops never went through her stuff even looking for things. Everything she had of value she got to keep, no questions asked.
While she pleaded guilty she did NOT admit fault. She stood up in court and said it was a big misunderstanding, that she'd gotten funds mixed up, etc. Many were more than a bit surprised that a person could plead guilty and deny wrong-doing, but that's what she did.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
NFMXK
()
Date: June 27, 2015 12:54PM
i was at elementary schools recently for voting and etc
Fairfax never used to have mexican women in an office for "managing" mexican labor and materials for the elementary school "day to day operation"
No infact they had a grounds keeper / maintenance man (perhaps two) and that was that. Not a team of mexicans continually doing useless work using chinese imports "dictated" by an mexican lady with her own management office (IN EVERY SCHOOL MIND YOU - weren't not talking principle or area manager)
--------------------
they are up shits creek in spending no idiot seeing their books wouldn't arrest them
Fairfax never used to have mexican women in an office for "managing" mexican labor and materials for the elementary school "day to day operation"
No infact they had a grounds keeper / maintenance man (perhaps two) and that was that. Not a team of mexicans continually doing useless work using chinese imports "dictated" by an mexican lady with her own management office (IN EVERY SCHOOL MIND YOU - weren't not talking principle or area manager)
--------------------
they are up shits creek in spending no idiot seeing their books wouldn't arrest them
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Chantilly Lace
()
Date: September 17, 2015 03:05PM
Litsa Watch Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Anybody know if Litsa has repaid the $180,000? Is
> she sill under house arrest?
I don't know if she has repaid the money or not, but my neighbor saw her and her family at Eddie V's,
-------------------------------------------------------
> Anybody know if Litsa has repaid the $180,000? Is
> she sill under house arrest?
I don't know if she has repaid the money or not, but my neighbor saw her and her family at Eddie V's,
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Rigdon
()
Date: September 17, 2015 03:56PM
She is probably still fat.
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Verified Purchase
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5.0 out of 5 stars Delicious product and great customer service.
By litsa mattfeld on February 2, 2015
Verified Purchase
These were the best I have had in a long time. Just perfect. Additionally, the company's customer service was absolutely flawless. Highly recommend!!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
$25 Chocolates
()
Date: September 17, 2015 04:39PM
She must be doing to pretty well to purchase a $25 box of 28 chocolates.
Philadelphia Candies Milk Chocolate Covered Cordial Cherries with Liquid Center (28-count) Gift Box
Offered by Philadelphia Candies
Price: $24.95
Philadelphia Candies Milk Chocolate Covered Cordial Cherries with Liquid Center (28-count) Gift Box
Offered by Philadelphia Candies
Price: $24.95
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
chocoholic
()
Date: September 17, 2015 08:08PM
How did you luck out and find the Amazon review? Crap this is funny. Ya gotta love FFU.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Rigdon
()
Date: September 17, 2015 11:22PM
Wonder if she ate them all by herself at one time? Why didn't she instead use the money to put toward restitution of the monies she stole from kids? She seems like a fat, self-serving piece of crap.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
vcersdgh
()
Date: September 18, 2015 06:04AM
Most people who steal that kind of money are self-serving pieces of crap. I agree the money could have gone towards paying the parent group back. She will never pay this back in full.
Did the parent group ever get any payout from their insurance policy? Good luck on that.
Did the parent group ever get any payout from their insurance policy? Good luck on that.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Litsa Watch
()
Date: September 18, 2015 02:20PM
vcersdgh Wrote:
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> Most people who steal that kind of money are
> self-serving pieces of crap. I agree the money
> could have gone towards paying the parent group
> back. She will never pay this back in full.
>
> Did the parent group ever get any payout from
> their insurance policy? Good luck on that.
Certainly not at $50 a month. The judge who agreed to that $50 a month settlement was an moron.
She stole $180,000 from the school. She should be in jail!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Most people who steal that kind of money are
> self-serving pieces of crap. I agree the money
> could have gone towards paying the parent group
> back. She will never pay this back in full.
>
> Did the parent group ever get any payout from
> their insurance policy? Good luck on that.
Certainly not at $50 a month. The judge who agreed to that $50 a month settlement was an moron.
She stole $180,000 from the school. She should be in jail!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Ying Ko
()
Date: September 18, 2015 02:37PM
It seems the moral of the story is if you are going to steal make sure it's white collar crime. Most judges seem to think a good education should limit jail time. They also figure one can't make restitution from jail.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
Hound
()
Date: September 18, 2015 03:12PM
Chantilly Lace Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Litsa Watch Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anybody know if Litsa has repaid the $180,000?
> Is
> > she sill under house arrest?
>
>
> I don't know if she has repaid the money or not,
> but my neighbor saw her and her family at Eddie
> V's,
What is Eddie V's?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Litsa Watch Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anybody know if Litsa has repaid the $180,000?
> Is
> > she sill under house arrest?
>
>
> I don't know if she has repaid the money or not,
> but my neighbor saw her and her family at Eddie
> V's,
What is Eddie V's?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Litsa Watch
()
Date: November 05, 2015 05:17PM
Ying Ko Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It seems the moral of the story is if you are
> going to steal make sure it's white collar crime.
> Most judges seem to think a good education should
> limit jail time. They also figure one can't make
> restitution from jail.
That's pretty much what happened.
-------------------------------------------------------
> It seems the moral of the story is if you are
> going to steal make sure it's white collar crime.
> Most judges seem to think a good education should
> limit jail time. They also figure one can't make
> restitution from jail.
That's pretty much what happened.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Juytfh
()
Date: November 06, 2015 06:31AM
Litsa Watch Wrote:
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> vcersdgh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Most people who steal that kind of money are
> > self-serving pieces of crap. I agree the money
> > could have gone towards paying the parent group
> > back. She will never pay this back in full.
> >
> > Did the parent group ever get any payout from
> > their insurance policy? Good luck on that.
>
> Certainly not at $50 a month. The judge who
> agreed to that $50 a month settlement was an
> moron.
>
> She stole $180,000 from the school. She should be
> in jail!
She didn't steal from a school. She stole from the PTO.
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> vcersdgh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Most people who steal that kind of money are
> > self-serving pieces of crap. I agree the money
> > could have gone towards paying the parent group
> > back. She will never pay this back in full.
> >
> > Did the parent group ever get any payout from
> > their insurance policy? Good luck on that.
>
> Certainly not at $50 a month. The judge who
> agreed to that $50 a month settlement was an
> moron.
>
> She stole $180,000 from the school. She should be
> in jail!
She didn't steal from a school. She stole from the PTO.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Free Kids Money
()
Date: September 09, 2016 04:08PM
Anybody seen Litsa around lately? Has she paid back the $180,000?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
7563578
()
Date: September 10, 2016 07:17AM
Free Kids Money Wrote:
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> Anybody seen Litsa around lately? Has she paid
> back the $180,000?
"No" and "are you kidding"?
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> Anybody seen Litsa around lately? Has she paid
> back the $180,000?
"No" and "are you kidding"?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Gypsies
()
Date: December 13, 2016 10:39AM
7563578 Wrote:
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> Free Kids Money Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anybody seen Litsa around lately? Has she paid
> > back the $180,000?
>
> "No" and "are you kidding"?
Reasonable answers. I hear she still in the area.
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> Free Kids Money Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anybody seen Litsa around lately? Has she paid
> > back the $180,000?
>
> "No" and "are you kidding"?
Reasonable answers. I hear she still in the area.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Conoili
()
Date: March 21, 2017 06:40PM
Anybody seen Litsa lately?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Rujed
()
Date: May 03, 2017 02:18PM
Conoili Wrote:
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> Anybody seen Litsa lately?
She is still in hiding I think.
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> Anybody seen Litsa lately?
She is still in hiding I think.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Booster Rip offs
()
Date: September 27, 2017 10:49AM
Anybody seen Litsa lately?
Is she still paying the $180,000 back to Navy Vale school?
Is she still paying the $180,000 back to Navy Vale school?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000
Posted by:
it's delish
()
Date: September 27, 2017 03:13PM
Hound Wrote:
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> Chantilly Lace Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Litsa Watch Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Anybody know if Litsa has repaid the
> $180,000?
> > Is
> > > she sill under house arrest?
> >
> >
> > I don't know if she has repaid the money or
> not,
> > but my neighbor saw her and her family at Eddie
> > V's,
>
>
> What is Eddie V's?
http://www.eddiev.com/home
She's got good taste. That place is awesome!
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> Chantilly Lace Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Litsa Watch Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Anybody know if Litsa has repaid the
> $180,000?
> > Is
> > > she sill under house arrest?
> >
> >
> > I don't know if she has repaid the money or
> not,
> > but my neighbor saw her and her family at Eddie
> > V's,
>
>
> What is Eddie V's?
http://www.eddiev.com/home
She's got good taste. That place is awesome!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Got Your Money
()
Date: November 01, 2017 10:46AM
Litsa sightings anybody? Is she back at the country clubs?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
sdfgsdg
()
Date: November 02, 2017 03:09PM
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Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Litsa Back?
()
Date: August 06, 2018 11:32AM
Anybody seen Litsa? I heard she is back in town?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Gatehouse Bandits
()
Date: August 06, 2018 03:22PM
Surprised she ain’t reassigned to Gatehouse like Ragone!
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
chm9j
()
Date: August 06, 2018 10:38PM
Obama funnels money out of the military to California democrats and Detroit politicians: awarded
Fx Co Gov budget BILLIONS in the red, given awards
I don't believe for a second any such theft was not planned by democrats. More likely the reason she was turned in is because she was expendable and the NEW liberal in charge wanted her out of the way.
Fx Co Gov budget BILLIONS in the red, given awards
I don't believe for a second any such theft was not planned by democrats. More likely the reason she was turned in is because she was expendable and the NEW liberal in charge wanted her out of the way.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Plain and simple........
()
Date: August 07, 2018 08:48PM
chm9j Wrote:
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> Obama funnels money out of the military to
> California democrats and Detroit politicians:
> awarded
>
> Fx Co Gov budget BILLIONS in the red, given
> awards
>
> I don't believe for a second any such theft was
> not planned by democrats. More likely the reason
> she was turned in is because she was expendable
> and the NEW liberal in charge wanted her out of
> the way.
She was turned in because she was a crook.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Obama funnels money out of the military to
> California democrats and Detroit politicians:
> awarded
>
> Fx Co Gov budget BILLIONS in the red, given
> awards
>
> I don't believe for a second any such theft was
> not planned by democrats. More likely the reason
> she was turned in is because she was expendable
> and the NEW liberal in charge wanted her out of
> the way.
She was turned in because she was a crook.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Slush Donation Funds
()
Date: December 07, 2018 01:31PM
Plain and simple........ Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> chm9j Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Obama funnels money out of the military to
> > California democrats and Detroit politicians:
> > awarded
> >
> > Fx Co Gov budget BILLIONS in the red, given
> > awards
> >
> > I don't believe for a second any such theft was
> > not planned by democrats. More likely the
> reason
> > she was turned in is because she was expendable
> > and the NEW liberal in charge wanted her out of
> > the way.
>
> She was turned in because she was a crook.
She wasn't turned in. They changed the structure of bank accounts for Navy Vale. An alert bank clerk noticed an account Litsa tried to withdraw money from that didn't get put in the new structure. The bank thought they missed moving the account over and then all hell broke loose on Litsa.
-------------------------------------------------------
> chm9j Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Obama funnels money out of the military to
> > California democrats and Detroit politicians:
> > awarded
> >
> > Fx Co Gov budget BILLIONS in the red, given
> > awards
> >
> > I don't believe for a second any such theft was
> > not planned by democrats. More likely the
> reason
> > she was turned in is because she was expendable
> > and the NEW liberal in charge wanted her out of
> > the way.
>
> She was turned in because she was a crook.
She wasn't turned in. They changed the structure of bank accounts for Navy Vale. An alert bank clerk noticed an account Litsa tried to withdraw money from that didn't get put in the new structure. The bank thought they missed moving the account over and then all hell broke loose on Litsa.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
/:/:/:/:/:/:/
()
Date: December 08, 2018 08:43AM
What happened was they changed from a PTA to a PTO and didn't close the old accounts. Things started getting murky......
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Litsa Paid Up Yet?
()
Date: September 27, 2019 12:21PM
Just checking in, Anybody know if Litsa has paid back the money?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
()
Date: September 27, 2019 08:04PM
Litsa Paid Up Yet? Wrote:
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> Just checking in, Anybody know if Litsa has paid
> back the money?
It has probably all been spent and she doesn’t have anything to pay it back out of.
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> Just checking in, Anybody know if Litsa has paid
> back the money?
It has probably all been spent and she doesn’t have anything to pay it back out of.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
IHeard
()
Date: January 03, 2020 06:50PM
I heard Litsa passed away. Is it true?
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
Hooking
()
Date: January 26, 2023 10:07AM
IHeard Wrote:
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> I heard Litsa passed away. Is it true?
She has gone to the dark side.
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> I heard Litsa passed away. Is it true?
She has gone to the dark side.
Re: Navy Vale School PTA Embezzlement of $180,000, Chantilly Boosters Scholarship
Posted by:
FCPS is a joke
()
Date: January 26, 2023 08:55PM
This is not news. All the FCPS PTA cunts do this. The top ugliest cunts are picked for leadership positions, do "events" and "fundraisers", and then surprise they pocket the money. Do not give those fuckers your money. They will just go shopping. The schools, teachers, and administration is still shit despite all these "fundraisers." No big changes happen and you have no idea where the money goes. What the fuck is wrong with this picture?