My car is registered in VA. The window tint is tinted to the maximum allowed under Virginia law.

If I drive to another state that has different tint laws, can the cops in that state issue me a ticket? For example, if that state does not allow any tint on the front windows...

Thanks!

Yep.

No, it is unreasonable for another state to expect one to change their lawful motor vehicle equipment to suit their state's laws.

Almost /2 the states in the USA, do not require front tags. If they came to VA, would they get a ticket? The answer is no. And the answer for tint is no as well.

(data below current as of December 2006)

At least the following nine states have been know to ticket out-of-state
cars for window tint violations. (even if the car complies with the tint
laws in the state that the car is registered in)

California
Florida
Indiana
Iowa
Maine
Missouri
Ohio <---- worst states, for the most tint ticket for out-of-state cars
Utah
Vermont

I guess you can try to fight the ticket, but it will probably make no
financial sense at all, give the tickets range from $75 to $120.

Just want to add one more comment:

Fortunately, all of these 9 states are several hundred miles from the nearest
Virginia state line, which means not too many Virginia-registered cars will
drive on their highways frequently...


smallcorns Wrote:
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> (data below current as of December 2006)
>
> At least the following nine states have been know
> to ticket out-of-state
> cars for window tint violations. (even if the car
> complies with the tint
> laws in the state that the car is registered in)
>
> California
> Florida
> Indiana
> Iowa
> Maine
> Missouri
> Ohio <---- worst states, for the most tint ticket
> for out-of-state cars
> Utah
> Vermont
>
> I guess you can try to fight the ticket, but it
> will probably make no
> financial sense at all, give the tickets range
> from $75 to $120.

I still don't get how I'm supposed to determine how dark my windows are on the car I purchased out of state and whether I'm in compliance with VA laws or any other state's. I'm not going to lose sleep over it, but it doesn't seem right that I could get a ticket out of the blue and that it varies from state to state. Sounds like we need a national standard.

any reputable window tint shop in this area will check it for you...



hellothere Wrote:
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> I still don't get how I'm supposed to determine
> how dark my windows are on the car I purchased out
> of state and whether I'm in compliance with VA
> laws or any other state's. I'm not going to lose
> sleep over it, but it doesn't seem right that I
> could get a ticket out of the blue and that it
> varies from state to state. Sounds like we need a
> national standard.

When you are in Rome, you must do as the Romans do...

When a person enters a State, they are subject to ALL the laws of that state. If ou read Virginia's laws, you will see that most laws read "any vehicle driving on a public highway shal..." When you read laws that are Virginia specific - like inspection - it will read, "any vehicle registered in the commonwealth..."

So yes, you can be ticketed in another state for window tint, regardless of where you are registered. And your window tint will be measured in accordance with the State law where you are, now where you are from.

Acutally Ohio is not too far away from VA state line.

Simular question . . . kinda . . .
And I am not in this situation (I don't even own a car), but I am just wondering . . .

If you own a VA registered vehicle and it doesn't have an inspection sticker on it, can another state stop you and ticket you for it?


Thanks!

SaMiViMa Wrote:
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> Simular question . . . kinda . . .
> And I am not in this situation (I don't even own a
> car), but I am just wondering . . .
>
> If you own a VA registered vehicle and it doesn't
> have an inspection sticker on it, can another
> state stop you and ticket you for it?
>
>
> Thanks!

Typically, No. Each State can only enforce their own laws, so a State would have to enact a law making it illegal to for a resident of another jurisdiction not to be in compliance with their resident jurisdictions laws. It would be impossible to enforce the law because Police Officers would essentially have to learn every law in every state.

I received a ticket for having an expired tag when I was out-of-state in Ohio. Ohio needs to relax a little, never seen cops so eager to ticket you

ffxn8v Wrote:
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> No, it is unreasonable for another state to expect
> one to change their lawful motor vehicle equipment
> to suit their state's laws.
>
> Almost /2 the states in the USA, do not require
> front tags. If they came to VA, would they get a
> ticket? The answer is no. And the answer for tint
> is no as well.


Read the code please in regards to window tint....

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-1052

This statute says ANY motor vehicle traveling upon the highways of the Commonwealth. Yes, a Florida registered vehicle traveling in Virginia with legal Florida tint can be stopped and cited as per Virginia law.

If they write you a ticket then yes, they can write you a ticket.

ffxn8v Wrote:
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> No, it is unreasonable for another state to expect
> one to change their lawful motor vehicle equipment
> to suit their state's laws.
>
> Almost /2 the states in the USA, do not require
> front tags. If they came to VA, would they get a
> ticket? The answer is no. And the answer for tint
> is no as well.


Mr. Law Person. The Virginia law says VA plated cars must have a front a front and back plate, not ALL cars.

As far as the window tinting goes, you drive on our roads, you must obey our laws. I can not think of a reason they could ticket an overly tinted car.

Schrute Wrote:
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> SaMiViMa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Simular question . . . kinda . . .
> > And I am not in this situation (I don't even own
> a
> > car), but I am just wondering . . .
> >
> > If you own a VA registered vehicle and it
> doesn't
> > have an inspection sticker on it, can another
> > state stop you and ticket you for it?
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> Typically, No. Each State can only enforce their
> own laws, so a State would have to enact a law
> making it illegal to for a resident of another
> jurisdiction not to be in compliance with their
> resident jurisdictions laws. It would be
> impossible to enforce the law because Police
> Officers would essentially have to learn every law
> in every state.

No wrong again. The laws read, and I am paraphrasing here, vehicles must be properly registered and display such registration etc.

Indeed, a cop from another state could give you a ticket for not having an inspection sticker from VA if you were driving a VA plated car in their state. Cops in DC or Maryland can give you a ticket for not having a front plate on a VA plated car for example.

greenshades Wrote:
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> My car is registered in VA. The window tint is
> tinted to the maximum allowed under Virginia law.
>
>
> If I drive to another state that has different
> tint laws, can the cops in that state issue me a
> ticket? For example, if that state does not allow
> any tint on the front windows...
>
> Thanks!

The real answer is NO. Radiophile's post later on in this thread spells out that one state (or jurisdiction) can ticket a car registered in another, for not displaying, or obeying the car's jurisdiction laws - that is correct. If you are obeying your own jurisdiction's regulations somewhere else, you are fine.

Police will try to ticket a person anyway due to ignorance, but you would have to fight it - and if you live far away from the site of the offense, you might be inclined to just pay the fine.

Have a friend with an older school bus (personal vehicle, non-yellow color) who received a ticket in another state for driving a school bus that wasn't
the right color - a law in that state said all school buses have to be yellow. Not so, in Virginia. When back in VA, he called the VSP, who called the police station who issued the ticket, and had it dropped.

Looks like all the armchair lawyers are coming out of the woodwork. And for such an important topic too. Dopey window tints are well worth all this research. :-)

Pretty straightforward here, all Virginia law may be checked on this website, but here is the one in question:
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-1052

A. "Except as otherwise provided in this article or permitted by federal law, it shall be unlawful for any person to operate any motor vehicle on a highway with any sign, poster, colored or tinted film, sun-shading material, or other colored material on the windshield, front or rear side windows, or rear windows of such motor vehicle."

It goes on to explain the restrictions for applying real window tint. And yes, it doesn't matter if you are from an out of state location, and your vehicle is registered in that state. The verbage covers any motor vehicle being operated on a highway in the Commonwealth of Virginia. I'm not an armchair lawyer, just annoyed when people can't seem to spend a few minutes to find out actual information and just rant off something off the top of their heads that isn't accurate.

Good question Wrote:
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> greenshades Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My car is registered in VA. The window tint is
> > tinted to the maximum allowed under Virginia
> law.
> >
> >
> > If I drive to another state that has different
> > tint laws, can the cops in that state issue me
> a
> > ticket? For example, if that state does not
> allow
> > any tint on the front windows...
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> The real answer is NO. Radiophile's post later on
> in this thread spells out that one state (or
> jurisdiction) can ticket a car registered in
> another, for not displaying, or obeying the car's
> jurisdiction laws - that is correct. If you are
> obeying your own jurisdiction's regulations
> somewhere else, you are fine.
>
> Police will try to ticket a person anyway due to
> ignorance, but you would have to fight it - and if
> you live far away from the site of the offense,
> you might be inclined to just pay the fine.
>
> Have a friend with an older school bus (personal
> vehicle, non-yellow color) who received a ticket
> in another state for driving a school bus that
> wasn't
> the right color - a law in that state said all
> school buses have to be yellow. Not so, in
> Virginia. When back in VA, he called the VSP, who
> called the police station who issued the ticket,
> and had it dropped.


The question was - "can the cops in that state issue me
a ticket?" so the answer is yes of course. They can ticket you for anything they want.

As far as a police officer in VA giving a ticket to an out of state plated car for overly tinted windows, they have. I found on the arrest ticket search 840 drivers with a Maryland address ticketed for this. I would have to guess that at least 3 or 4 of them were driving Maryland plated cars.

Can a police officer in Maryland give you a ticket for window tint if Maryland has no such law? Debatable, but yes. I am sure there is a general catch all law they could ticket you with, but in reality I doubt Maryland cops have the fortitude to do this.

Will Maryland cops give a ticket to VA drivers with no front license. Yes they will. And VA cops will give a ticket for the same thing to out of state drivers.

As for the school bus thing. It depends on the wording of the law. If the law says something like "county owned scholl buses must be yellow" or "busses engaged in the practise of picking up and discharging students before and after school" your friend has a argument. But I suspect the cop just did not like your friend.

Radiophile Wrote:
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> Good question Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > greenshades Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > My car is registered in VA. The window tint
> is
> > > tinted to the maximum allowed under Virginia
> > law.
> > >
> > >
> > > If I drive to another state that has
> different
> > > tint laws, can the cops in that state issue
> me
> > a
> > > ticket? For example, if that state does not
> > allow
> > > any tint on the front windows...
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> >
> > The real answer is NO. Radiophile's post later
> on
> > in this thread spells out that one state (or
> > jurisdiction) can ticket a car registered in
> > another, for not displaying, or obeying the
> car's
> > jurisdiction laws - that is correct. If you
> are
> > obeying your own jurisdiction's regulations
> > somewhere else, you are fine.
> >
> > Police will try to ticket a person anyway due
> to
> > ignorance, but you would have to fight it - and
> if
> > you live far away from the site of the offense,
> > you might be inclined to just pay the fine.
> >
> > Have a friend with an older school bus
> (personal
> > vehicle, non-yellow color) who received a
> ticket
> > in another state for driving a school bus that
> > wasn't
> > the right color - a law in that state said all
> > school buses have to be yellow. Not so, in
> > Virginia. When back in VA, he called the VSP,
> who
> > called the police station who issued the
> ticket,
> > and had it dropped.
>
>
> The question was - "can the cops in that state
> issue me
> a ticket?" so the answer is yes of course. They
> can ticket you for anything they want.
>
> As far as a police officer in VA giving a ticket
> to an out of state plated car for overly tinted
> windows, they have. I found on the arrest ticket
> search 840 drivers with a Maryland address
> ticketed for this. I would have to guess that at
> least 3 or 4 of them were driving Maryland plated
> cars.
>
> Can a police officer in Maryland give you a ticket
> for window tint if Maryland has no such law?
> Debatable, but yes. I am sure there is a general
> catch all law they could ticket you with, but in
> reality I doubt Maryland cops have the fortitude
> to do this.
>
> Will Maryland cops give a ticket to VA drivers
> with no front license. Yes they will. And VA cops
> will give a ticket for the same thing to out of
> state drivers.
>
> As for the school bus thing. It depends on the
> wording of the law. If the law says something like
> "county owned scholl buses must be yellow" or
> "busses engaged in the practise of picking up and
> discharging students before and after school" your
> friend has a argument. But I suspect the cop just
> did not like your friend.


That's all a load of bullshit. I know it does in fact happen, like you said, but it still doesn't make it right.

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Piggy Wrote:
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> ffxn8v Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No, it is unreasonable for another state to
> expect
> > one to change their lawful motor vehicle
> equipment
> > to suit their state's laws.
> >
> > Almost /2 the states in the USA, do not require
> > front tags. If they came to VA, would they get
> a
> > ticket? The answer is no. And the answer for
> tint
> > is no as well.
>
>
> Read the code please in regards to window
> tint....
>
> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+co
> d+46.2-1052
>
> This statute says ANY motor vehicle traveling upon
> the highways of the Commonwealth. Yes, a Florida
> registered vehicle traveling in Virginia with
> legal Florida tint can be stopped and cited as per
> Virginia law.


Bottom line. If you get a tint ticket, or 1 plate number from another state other than the state your vehicle is registered in, go to court and contest it. YOU WILL WIN!! A police officer cannot enforce his state laws to out of state registered vehicles unless the vehicle has an expired registration because this is universal. Car insurance believe it or not, is not mandatory for some states for example WI never required anyone to have any auto insurance until recently.

ACTUALLY DUMBASS,

THEY CAN AND *WILL* LEGALLY GIVE YOU A TICKET BECAUSE THE LAWS ARE
FOR *MOTOR VEHICLES DRIVING ON PUBLIC ROADWAYS IN THAT STATE* AND
ARE ENFORCED ON ALL VEHICLES, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE
FROM THAT STATE OR HAVE TAGS FROM ANOTHER.

WHETHER OR NOT A COP LET'S YOU GO ONCE HE REALISES YOU ARE
FROM ANOTHER STATE IS DISCRESSIONARY, DUMBASS.

Correction : IS *DISCRETIONARY*, YA DUMBASS.

The tickets are more around $200 - $250 (in Virginia), plus court fees. But if you're driving a car that has Virginia-legal tint, you should be pretty good in most states, we have one of the strictest levels on vehicle tint.

Can we give you a ticket? Yes. Unless I suspect you of something else, I probably won't pull you over for it. If you're a jerk after I pull you over, I'll find a reason to give you a ticket, even for your window tint in an OOS vehicle. You are obliged to obey all safety laws in the Commonwealth when traveling our roads. Window tinting is considered a safety issue due to lost viability.

Having front tags is not the same thing. It is not a safety issue and, as long as your state does not issue both a front an rear tag, we can't ticket you for not having one. If your state does issue both and you only have one on your vehicle, we can cite you for it.

How can you cite them for it? You can't apply another jurisdiction's law where you have no power to enforce it.

If a bus is your private vehicle, it is not a "school bus", it is merely a "bus". Wankers.

ITRADE Wrote:
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> How can you cite them for it? You can't apply
> another jurisdiction's law where you have no power
> to enforce it.

Cite them for which one? I explained why you can be cited for the window tint. For the license plate citation, you would get a ticket for failure to properly display license plates. You are legally obligated to have your tags in compliance with the laws of the state that it is registered in. Leaving that state does not remove that obligation. Those computers that sit in our patrol cars have all sorts of interesting information in them, including each state's display requirements. Just obey the law and you won't have to worry about it.

The license plate one. What section of the Virginia code allows you to enforce Ohio's law????? You're not sworn to uphold the laws of Ohio. You're sworn to uphold the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia.

ITRADE Wrote:
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> The license plate one. What section of the
> Virginia code allows you to enforce Ohio's
> law????? You're not sworn to uphold the laws of
> Ohio. You're sworn to uphold the laws of the
> Commonwealth of Virginia.


The Reciprocity agreements related to Virginia agreeing to enforce registration and titling laws of other states if they do also. We have agreements with 45 other states. Chances are violators will be from one of them.

Window tint=dumb fucks

State Trooper Wrote:
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> ITRADE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The license plate one. What section of the
> > Virginia code allows you to enforce Ohio's
> > law????? You're not sworn to uphold the laws
> of
> > Ohio. You're sworn to uphold the laws of the
> > Commonwealth of Virginia.
>
>
> The Reciprocity agreements related to Virginia
> agreeing to enforce registration and titling laws
> of other states if they do also. We have
> agreements with 45 other states. Chances are
> violators will be from one of them.

It'd be interesting to see a legal challenge to that. An agreement to enforce does not mean legally authorized to enforce. A Virginia criminal court cannot issue penalties for violations of other states law. Virginia criminal courts adjudicate Virginia law, not Texas law.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/22/2010 09:45AM by ITRADE.

State Trooper Wrote:
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> Can we give you a ticket? Yes. Unless I suspect
> you of something else, I probably won't pull you
> over for it. If you're a jerk after I pull you
> over, I'll find a reason to give you a ticket,
> even for your window tint in an OOS vehicle. You
> are obliged to obey all safety laws in the
> Commonwealth when traveling our roads. Window
> tinting is considered a safety issue due to lost
> viability.
>

What a load of crap! If it is REALLY a safety issue, then why do the majority of Fairfax County police vehicles have tint that would be illegal on a private vehicle?

-SBS-_ Wrote:
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> State Trooper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Can we give you a ticket? Yes. Unless I
> suspect
> > you of something else, I probably won't pull
> you
> > over for it. If you're a jerk after I pull you
> > over, I'll find a reason to give you a ticket,
> > even for your window tint in an OOS vehicle.
> You
> > are obliged to obey all safety laws in the
> > Commonwealth when traveling our roads. Window
> > tinting is considered a safety issue due to
> lost
> > viability.
> >
>
> What a load of crap! If it is REALLY a safety
> issue, then why do the majority of Fairfax County
> police vehicles have tint that would be illegal on
> a private vehicle?


Police vehicles have a few things on them that are illegal on private vehicles. The tint on FCP patrol cars is there for a reason.

I don't know why you folks are arguing with me. You may not like it, but that's the way it is. If this is a big deal to you, contact your elected officials and have them change the law/code.

State Trooper Wrote:
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> -SBS-_ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > State Trooper Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Can we give you a ticket? Yes. Unless I
> > suspect
> > > you of something else, I probably won't pull
> > you
> > > over for it. If you're a jerk after I pull
> you
> > > over, I'll find a reason to give you a
> ticket,
> > > even for your window tint in an OOS vehicle.
> > You
> > > are obliged to obey all safety laws in the
> > > Commonwealth when traveling our roads.
> Window
> > > tinting is considered a safety issue due to
> > lost
> > > viability.
> > >
> >
> > What a load of crap! If it is REALLY a safety
> > issue, then why do the majority of Fairfax
> County
> > police vehicles have tint that would be illegal
> on
> > a private vehicle?
>
>
> Police vehicles have a few things on them that are
> illegal on private vehicles. The tint on FCP
> patrol cars is there for a reason.
>
> I don't know why you folks are arguing with me.
> You may not like it, but that's the way it is. If
> this is a big deal to you, contact your elected
> officials and have them change the law/code.

It is a safety issue as cops don't have to pull over cop cars and wonder if that person is pointing a gun at them, that's why most states don't allow tint on the front windows.

If I have equipment legal for my registered state, I would challenge a ticket written otherwise.

Let's use window tint as an example:

I drive a car with window tint, 35% on the sides. Legal in my state and legal in this state with a waiver. Could I get a ticket out of state? Give me a break! Bring it on!

It's like the New York Trooper who wrote a Canadian a ticket for no front plate. Had the ticket thrown out when challenged. Even though Ontario issued 2 plates, didn't matter to the Judge.

And as far as saying anything about knowing the law because one has a "computer" with neat stuff on it in their car, so what, last Trooper that questioned my window tint got schooled, himself!

Told me, if my wife drove OUR car with legal tint (for a waiver), she would get a ticket. Give me a break! My kids were not impressed, either, getting pulled over and having their Father yelled at, with incorrect info given.

It is appreciated the various LEOs want to help in this thread. I'd rather hear from a seasoned Attorney or Judge, as to the interpretation of the law.

Thanks

I lived in Vegas for 5 years where my wife's car's tinted windows were nice given the sun there. We often took weekend camping trips to southern Utah and never had a problem.

More recently we registered said car in VA, and took a trip out west, during which we passed through Salt Lake City, spending a whole day driving from Nevada to Wyoming through Utah, never leaving the interstate except for gas, and we got pulled over and ticketed 50 bucks for our window tint, which is allegedly 26.99% on the passenger side.

Nice! Enjoy that $50 bucks, Utah, 'cause it just totally turned us off from spending future tourist time and dollars in your state.

And I still can't figure out whether I need to pay this or not... everybody has a different take.


ITRADE Wrote:
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> State Trooper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ITRADE Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The license plate one. What section of the
> > > Virginia code allows you to enforce Ohio's
> > > law????? You're not sworn to uphold the laws
> > of
> > > Ohio. You're sworn to uphold the laws of the
> > > Commonwealth of Virginia.
> >
> >
> > The Reciprocity agreements related to Virginia
> > agreeing to enforce registration and titling
> laws
> > of other states if they do also. We have
> > agreements with 45 other states. Chances are
> > violators will be from one of them.
>
> It'd be interesting to see a legal challenge to
> that. An agreement to enforce does not mean
> legally authorized to enforce. A Virginia
> criminal court cannot issue penalties for
> violations of other states law. Virginia criminal
> courts adjudicate Virginia law, not Texas law.

Virginia has become a police state. Our representatives in Richmond conjure up new ways to control the people and the Governor and AG, through the blackshirts and brownshirts, enforce these draconian laws. "Sic semper tyrannis" is a joke as a state motto. A few people in this "Commonwealth" may still understand and believe in that notion, but the vast majority are part of the machine. It may seem extreme to some, but the reality is that we are on the long march to totalitarianism, but "by other means." Instead of a Hitler or Lenin or Mao rising to power through violent revolution, our Statists have risen, and continue to rise, to power through the semi-legal means of elections and appointments and the judicial system. Rather than a violent heart attack, our death is a slow cancer. Eventually, we will find that the world we know, or thought we knew, no longer exists.

VA tinting laws are no exception--just another step on the road to total control. VA is also doing all it can to criminalize its populace. Driving 75 mph on I-95 South in Fairfax County may be the only way to stay alive, but if you happen to be driving the car that the SS trooper targets, you will end up being labeled as a criminal by the State (yes, it is reckless driving under VA state law to ever be 20+ over, and that is a CRIMINAL violation). Here is another great one--SGT Jones is home on leave following his second tour in Afghanistan. He is 20 years old. He drinks a beer and drives over to a buddy's house. Gets pulled over because dad had the windows tinted. SGT Jones is honest to a fault and says, "Why yes, officer, I did have a beer." SS trooper pulls breath wand out and it pops .09, which, of course is a lie (but is common with SS trooper wands). Goes to station and breathalyzer shows .02. SGT Jones is now guilty of DUI. Yes, he is a criminal.

What a great state. We are all criminals now. "Sic semper tyrannis"? Right.

TEOTWAWKI Wrote:
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> Virginia has become a police state. Our
> representatives in Richmond conjure up new ways to
> control the people and the Governor and AG,
> through the blackshirts and brownshirts, enforce
> these draconian laws. "Sic semper tyrannis" is a
> joke as a state motto. A few people in this
> "Commonwealth" may still understand and believe in
> that notion, but the vast majority are part of the
> machine. It may seem extreme to some, but the
> reality is that we are on the long march to
> totalitarianism, but "by other means." Instead of
> a Hitler or Lenin or Mao rising to power through
> violent revolution, our Statists have risen, and
> continue to rise, to power through the semi-legal
> means of elections and appointments and the
> judicial system. Rather than a violent heart
> attack, our death is a slow cancer. Eventually,
> we will find that the world we know, or thought we
> knew, no longer exists.
>
> VA tinting laws are no exception--just another
> step on the road to total control. VA is also
> doing all it can to criminalize its populace.
> Driving 75 mph on I-95 South in Fairfax County may
> be the only way to stay alive, but if you happen
> to be driving the car that the SS trooper targets,
> you will end up being labeled as a criminal by the
> State (yes, it is reckless driving under VA state
> law to ever be 20+ over, and that is a CRIMINAL
> violation). Here is another great one--SGT Jones
> is home on leave following his second tour in
> Afghanistan. He is 20 years old. He drinks a
> beer and drives over to a buddy's house. Gets
> pulled over because dad had the windows tinted.
> SGT Jones is honest to a fault and says, "Why yes,
> officer, I did have a beer." SS trooper pulls
> breath wand out and it pops .09, which, of course
> is a lie (but is common with SS trooper wands).
> Goes to station and breathalyzer shows .02. SGT
> Jones is now guilty of DUI. Yes, he is a
> criminal.
>
> What a great state. We are all criminals now.
> "Sic semper tyrannis"? Right.


Shut the fuck up, take your tint and coffee-can muffler off too.

TEOTWAWKI Wrote:
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> Virginia has become a police state. Our
> representatives in Richmond conjure up new ways to
> control the people and the Governor and AG,
> through the blackshirts and brownshirts, enforce
> these draconian laws. "Sic semper tyrannis" is a
> joke as a state motto. A few people in this
> "Commonwealth" may still understand and believe in
> that notion, but the vast majority are part of the
> machine. It may seem extreme to some, but the
> reality is that we are on the long march to
> totalitarianism, but "by other means." Instead of
> a Hitler or Lenin or Mao rising to power through
> violent revolution, our Statists have risen, and
> continue to rise, to power through the semi-legal
> means of elections and appointments and the
> judicial system. Rather than a violent heart
> attack, our death is a slow cancer. Eventually,
> we will find that the world we know, or thought we
> knew, no longer exists.
>
> VA tinting laws are no exception--just another
> step on the road to total control. VA is also
> doing all it can to criminalize its populace.
> Driving 75 mph on I-95 South in Fairfax County may
> be the only way to stay alive, but if you happen
> to be driving the car that the SS trooper targets,
> you will end up being labeled as a criminal by the
> State (yes, it is reckless driving under VA state
> law to ever be 20+ over, and that is a CRIMINAL
> violation). Here is another great one--SGT Jones
> is home on leave following his second tour in
> Afghanistan. He is 20 years old. He drinks a
> beer and drives over to a buddy's house. Gets
> pulled over because dad had the windows tinted.
> SGT Jones is honest to a fault and says, "Why yes,
> officer, I did have a beer." SS trooper pulls
> breath wand out and it pops .09, which, of course
> is a lie (but is common with SS trooper wands).
> Goes to station and breathalyzer shows .02. SGT
> Jones is now guilty of DUI. Yes, he is a
> criminal.
>
> What a great state. We are all criminals now.
> "Sic semper tyrannis"? Right.

Josh123 Wrote:
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> I received a ticket for having an expired tag when
> I was out-of-state in Ohio. Ohio needs to relax a
> little, never seen cops so eager to ticket you


How about you need to get your care registered properly, dumbass! Couldn't be your fault, must be the over eager cops.

TEOTWAWKI Wrote:
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> Virginia has become a police state. Our
> representatives in Richmond conjure up new ways to
> control the people and the Governor and AG,
> through the blackshirts and brownshirts, enforce
> these draconian laws. "Sic semper tyrannis" is a
> joke as a state motto. A few people in this
> "Commonwealth" may still understand and believe in
> that notion, but the vast majority are part of the
> machine. It may seem extreme to some, but the
> reality is that we are on the long march to
> totalitarianism, but "by other means." Instead of
> a Hitler or Lenin or Mao rising to power through
> violent revolution, our Statists have risen, and
> continue to rise, to power through the semi-legal
> means of elections and appointments and the
> judicial system. Rather than a violent heart
> attack, our death is a slow cancer. Eventually,
> we will find that the world we know, or thought we
> knew, no longer exists.
>
> VA tinting laws are no exception--just another
> step on the road to total control. VA is also
> doing all it can to criminalize its populace.
> Driving 75 mph on I-95 South in Fairfax County may
> be the only way to stay alive, but if you happen
> to be driving the car that the SS trooper targets,
> you will end up being labeled as a criminal by the
> State (yes, it is reckless driving under VA state
> law to ever be 20+ over, and that is a CRIMINAL
> violation). Here is another great one--SGT Jones
> is home on leave following his second tour in
> Afghanistan. He is 20 years old. He drinks a
> beer and drives over to a buddy's house. Gets
> pulled over because dad had the windows tinted.
> SGT Jones is honest to a fault and says, "Why yes,
> officer, I did have a beer." SS trooper pulls
> breath wand out and it pops .09, which, of course
> is a lie (but is common with SS trooper wands).
> Goes to station and breathalyzer shows .02. SGT
> Jones is now guilty of DUI. Yes, he is a
> criminal.
>
> What a great state. We are all criminals now.
> "Sic semper tyrannis"? Right.

That's rather extreme. I consider tighter laws and greater enforcement to be more of a money grab than a power grab. Then again, money is power. I think it of as a shakedown more than the pure sake of controlling the populace.

If you want to see a police state, go to the states that aggressively enforce benign traffic laws like rolling stops where everybody is still taking their turn. I moved from California. There are always asshole cops ticketing for rolling stops to drum up money for the state. No warnings are given out.

I drove through the Texas panhandle with a radar detector and was pinged more times there than the rest of the drive from San Diego to Maryland. These are straight wide open highways with artificially low speed limits.

If it was for safety, they would aggressively enforce laws like uninsured illegals operating unsafe cars with expired or no license plates - like the shitheads that rear-ended my sister in traffic then tried to evade her and the cops. There's no money in that enforcement. Go set up a 25mph zone in the rich neighborhood.

I'm moving to western NC very soon; I suggest others follow suit. Virginia has indeed become ridiculous, and its government has become a power unto itself and is nigh impossible to hold to account by the citizenry it supposedly represents.

Ten over is de-rigueur on the highways unless the lanes are congested by trucks. If the bacon decides to nick me on that, I'm out a bundle even if I beat the ticket. In NC, reckless is for fifteen over, and the one time I was nicked (9 over), being polite went a long way and I was let off with a warning.

If I do only five over, people pass me, and some use the blinkers to get me to move over, regardless of whether it is safe to do so. This presents a safety issue myriads greater than going ten over. I could be rear-ended if some moron miscalculates the distance needed to execute his turn, or if the blinking distracts me to the point that I cannot operate the vehicle in a safe and courteous manner. My friend from Saudiya got rear-ended when he did the speed limit and it was a hit and run. I have written the Governor and the appropriate member of the house of delegates* but to receive nothing more than boilerplate responses.

*(note that I refrain from saying that she is 'my' member, as she represents only plutocrats and good-ol'-boys)

I am glad now that I do most of my shopping on the West Virginia side of the border; the Commonwealth where 'sic semper tyrannis' refers to re-election rather than decapitation as suggested by the flag does not need 4 cents on my dollar.

Remember - if voting changed anything, it would be illegal.

Cops are pigs. Kill them all.

Good question Wrote:
>
> The real answer is NO. Radiophile's post later on
> in this thread spells out that one state (or
> jurisdiction) can ticket a car registered in
> another, for not displaying, or obeying the car's
> jurisdiction laws - that is correct. If you are
> obeying your own jurisdiction's regulations
> somewhere else, you are fine.
>
> Police will try to ticket a person anyway due to
> ignorance, but you would have to fight it - and if
> you live far away from the site of the offense,
> you might be inclined to just pay the fine.
>
> Have a friend with an older school bus (personal
> vehicle, non-yellow color) who received a ticket
> in another state for driving a school bus that
> wasn't
> the right color - a law in that state said all
> school buses have to be yellow. Not so, in
> Virginia. When back in VA, he called the VSP, who
> called the police station who issued the ticket,
> and had it dropped.


You are incorrect. The state can enforce the laws for however their code is written. If they choose to allow cars from other states to follow their own states rules that is their choice. If however they have laws like VA that say any vehicle you have to be in compliance with the laws of that state.

Your friend may have had the ticket dropped as a professional favor to the VA police that asked, but that doesnt mean the ticket was illegal

Why is like every cop an under-educated db? 'If you're a jerk when I pull you over, I'll find a reason...?' Your power-trip is beyond pathetic.

Dave Wrote:
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> Why is like every cop an under-educated db? 'If
> you're a jerk when I pull you over, I'll find a
> reason...?' Your power-trip is beyond pathetic.


Why is everyone that complains about cops here victims of police abuse? With how wide spread it is sure there would be news coverage of it by now.......oh thats right you broke the law and got caught and now a cop is a db to you because he caught you

No! as long as you are a visitor/non resident to Virginia and can prove your domicle else where. If you plan to stay more than 60 days (military/US congress exempt) you must become a resident/pay state taxes and register/license your vehicle in Virgina and then yes you will get ticketed. When military folks retire in Virginia they have 60 days to vacate Virginia or become resident inlcuding to register/license vehicle in Virgina. If you come to Virginia to live/reside you have 60 days to register/license vehicle in Virgina. You see a lot Maryland/DC licenses in Virgina because they move to live in Virginia (cheaper/safer/work) while mantain MD/DC licence vehicle to avoid annual VA Property tax. I used to live in an apartment complex in which FCPD would patrol for MD/DC and out of state without military decal licensed parked cars to ticket and for check for residency violations.

So if you have an out of state license plate on you car it will be a matter of time you will get caught by a traffic stop/infraction and get discovered under the driver license address/insurance/license plate triple dip. You will also be liable to residency and car taxes which I'm a witness to.

If you are illegal nothing matters anyway.

I was called to active duty in 2004 with a group, and sent from here to Ft. Huachuca, AZ. One of my fellow soldiers got pulled over for window tint, and got ticketed. They required him to remove it. The fact that we were reservists on active duty did not matter.

I left active duty in 2001, and became a member of the Army Reserve. I had to get a VA license and register my vehicle in VA.

Military is only exempt if on active duty and their home of record isn't already Virginia.

Not at all stupid thread. I am plotting a circumnavigation of the US in my car, camping at free places along the way, and I will have a lot of expensive computer/photography and survival equipment. I would like the tint to hide it from view. I'll be going through a lot of states, and don't want to get robbed in any of them, even the ones that don't allow window tint.

I got a speeding ticket in Ohio once on a business trip, which I just paid, of course, and a year later NC (where I live) sent me a notice that they were revoking my license because of it. That began a Kafkaesque journey which I finally won. Not the merits, but because I had a clean record. Terrible. Double jeopardy.

As has been (slowly) developed here, there are two issues.

One: Each state can have its own regulations. It can enforce those regulations within that state.

Two: Certain regulations are governed by reciprocity agreements. In those cases, the reciprocity agreement (for instance, having a front and rear license plate) trump the local regulations (which might only require one in that state).

As for State Trooper's statement that he/she may do things differently if the driver's a jerk (or, conversely, by implication if the driver is polite and respectful)--that's life. That's the real world. And that's everywhere--restaurants, hotels, airlines, etc.

I'm from CT and the tint on my car is completely legal and I have the paperwork from the CT DMV to prove that. I would love to see a cop attempt to ticket me for something my own state has documented is legal. If your car is registered and legal in another state and if you live in another state then the equipment laws of that state do not apply to you. If a cop attempts to ticket you for that then call over his supervisor. I had a run in like this with a Massachusetts cop over fog lights, since I was not from Massachusetts he did not have the legal authority to ticket me for something that my state has deemed legal. The Full Faith and Credit clause of the US Constitution protects you in this situation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Faith_and_Credit_Clause

IT IS PITIFUL THAT ANY STATE BANS WINDOW TINT.DON'T THEY HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO ?

IT IS PITIFUL THAT THE POLICE GO AROUND WRITING TICKETS FOR WINDOW TINT.DON'T THEY
HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO ?

Traveling to D.C this weekend and I need to know

Just Say No Wrote:
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> If a bus is your private vehicle, it is not a
> "school bus", it is merely a "bus". Wankers.


Been dying to get to the bottom to write that.