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Fairfax County Republican Committee: This just in! Congrats to Lin-Dai Kendall, our Springfield FCRC Member elected as President of the Clifton Women's Club. A special thanks for her leadership, our FCRC Member Lynn Falk did an amazing job as the outgoing President and Keith Fimian could always count on this group!!!! Thank you!
The same Lin-Dai who just wrote The Fairfax County Times a semi-literate letter whining about the Clifton closing. The first sentence took up the entire first paragraph and was about 73 words long!
"KENDALL ","LIN DAI ","S","046"," 11711","YATESFORD ","RD","FAIRFAX STAT","VA","04/29/2005","40-44MPH/25MPH ZONE "
"KENDALL ","LIN DAI ","S","046"," 11711","YATESFORD ","RD","FAIRFAX STAT","VA","09/23/2005","40-44MPH/25MPH ZONE
http://www.facebook.com/lindai.kendall
Likes: Sean Hannity
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11711-Yates-Ford-Rd-Fairfax-Station-VA-22039/51929027_zpid/
Looks like a case of Tea Party-ism, except when it is in Lin-Dai's backyard.
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Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TaxpayersBeware
()
Date: October 17, 2010 09:13PM
Parents and taxpayers - look at the threads below - Liz Bradsher colluding with parents from Springfield because she made a deal with the devil (Tisdadt) - if she closes Clifton, he'll bump up West Springfield High in the renovation queue and she'll nail those votes from Springfield. I wonder how Langley, TJ and Falls Church parents feel about this?
________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Hawkins, Erik
Sent: Thu Jul 08 21:26:43 2010
Subject: RE: Tonite's Meeting
You got 2011 tonight. Are we OK?
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Now that Clifton kids need somewhere to go to school, Tisdadt says he will build additions, yes, to a tune of $15 million. So he just cost the taxpayers $4 million MORE dollars because of his little socio-economic balancing experiment. And the West Springfield parents seem to believe everyting Lizzie tells them and could care less that she is screwing 400 kids for HER political posturing. It's all in the emails circulating throughout the county.
Here is Liz ASKING parents to write her emails, DIRECTING them what to write to her to get their renovation:
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'em.hawkins@verizon.net'
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: SOAR Leadership - WSHS - Conf Call Wed 6/23 @ 3PM?
Eric
It would be helpful if SOAR drafted a letter requesting
the Board make prudently fiscal decisions when considering renovatoion
needs. You don't have to mention a specific school, just positively
refer to wise renovation based decisions which will have impacts on
future projects. This will tell members: #1. SOAR remains intouch with
the current issues and #2 SOAR continues to seek earlier bonding for
WSHS.
Liz
To: 'Erik & Mary Hawkins' , 'Monique Craft'
, "'Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)'"
, 'Lynn Smith' , 'Leslie Carlin'
, 'Paul Wardinski' , 'Paul
Liberty'
CC: 'Erik Work'
Subject: RE: FEC Press Statement: Vote to Close Clifton ES - PRESS
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:29:25 -0400
This is very similar to the fallout from the Western boundary study which gave birth to Fairfax Caps….this group will have (already has) an antagonistic agenda towards staff/board while staff/school board seem to be on SOAR’s side which is a conflict IMHO for SOAR to join up with FEC…
I reiterate IMHO it is time for the “game behind the game†in which Liz works in conjunction with those meeting with Dean & Kevin quietly to advocate for WSHS bond in 2011. I thing being “quietly effective†will yield more results then being “loud and confrontational†as FEC et. al. are and will be.
I think it is also important to keep up the meetings with the school board members for educational purposes…for Hone and Evans would suggest you do without Liz’s involvement. Especially for Evans as a district SB it would be good to know which of her schools might be moved up in the renovation queue do to economic factors and potentially any savings from Clifton ES.
But I would maintain my steer clear advice…we used the “noise†of the western boundary study to “quietly†get SCMS positioned…
Rob Robertory
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'Erik & Mary Hawkins' ; Chadwell, Laura G; Christine Morin ; Erik Work ; Leslie Carlin ; Lorey Goerlinger ; Lynn Smith ; Monique Craft ; Nancy Knickerbocker ; Paul Liberty ; Wardinski, Paul A.; Rob Robertory
Cc: Cain, Debora L.
Sent: Fri Jul 09 18:21:45 2010
Subject: RE: Updated SOAR Website & Next Steps
Erik,
Nicely stated.
Just schedule a meeting with Deb Cain, my Executive Assistant, at the SB office. She will place it on my calendar. I will try to talk to Deb before I go to inform her about this meeting and ask for her assistance. I am leaving town for awhile but will be back in a week or so. We, the SB, take the month of August off but I am in town due to sports and kids. We can always meet then too when things slow down a bit. Then again many go on vacation in August.
I believe, as of last night, WSHS will be on the 2011 bond. When the CIP is reviewed you will see this in print. The economy is a factor in this but they have also fast tracked some projects due to savings, etc. I think a meeting will help all to understand better. I suggest maybe a late afternoon meeting with Dean and Kevin if you would like at WSHS.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Hawkins, Erik
Sent: Thu Jul 08 21:26:43 2010
Subject: RE: Tonite's Meeting
You got 2011 tonight. Are we OK?
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Now that Clifton kids need somewhere to go to school, Tisdadt says he will build additions, yes, to a tune of $15 million. So he just cost the taxpayers $4 million MORE dollars because of his little socio-economic balancing experiment. And the West Springfield parents seem to believe everyting Lizzie tells them and could care less that she is screwing 400 kids for HER political posturing. It's all in the emails circulating throughout the county.
Here is Liz ASKING parents to write her emails, DIRECTING them what to write to her to get their renovation:
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'em.hawkins@verizon.net'
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: SOAR Leadership - WSHS - Conf Call Wed 6/23 @ 3PM?
Eric
It would be helpful if SOAR drafted a letter requesting
the Board make prudently fiscal decisions when considering renovatoion
needs. You don't have to mention a specific school, just positively
refer to wise renovation based decisions which will have impacts on
future projects. This will tell members: #1. SOAR remains intouch with
the current issues and #2 SOAR continues to seek earlier bonding for
WSHS.
Liz
To: 'Erik & Mary Hawkins' , 'Monique Craft'
, "'Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)'"
, 'Lynn Smith' , 'Leslie Carlin'
, 'Paul Wardinski' , 'Paul
Liberty'
CC: 'Erik Work'
Subject: RE: FEC Press Statement: Vote to Close Clifton ES - PRESS
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:29:25 -0400
This is very similar to the fallout from the Western boundary study which gave birth to Fairfax Caps….this group will have (already has) an antagonistic agenda towards staff/board while staff/school board seem to be on SOAR’s side which is a conflict IMHO for SOAR to join up with FEC…
I reiterate IMHO it is time for the “game behind the game†in which Liz works in conjunction with those meeting with Dean & Kevin quietly to advocate for WSHS bond in 2011. I thing being “quietly effective†will yield more results then being “loud and confrontational†as FEC et. al. are and will be.
I think it is also important to keep up the meetings with the school board members for educational purposes…for Hone and Evans would suggest you do without Liz’s involvement. Especially for Evans as a district SB it would be good to know which of her schools might be moved up in the renovation queue do to economic factors and potentially any savings from Clifton ES.
But I would maintain my steer clear advice…we used the “noise†of the western boundary study to “quietly†get SCMS positioned…
Rob Robertory
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'Erik & Mary Hawkins' ; Chadwell, Laura G; Christine Morin ; Erik Work ; Leslie Carlin ; Lorey Goerlinger ; Lynn Smith ; Monique Craft ; Nancy Knickerbocker ; Paul Liberty ; Wardinski, Paul A.; Rob Robertory
Cc: Cain, Debora L.
Sent: Fri Jul 09 18:21:45 2010
Subject: RE: Updated SOAR Website & Next Steps
Erik,
Nicely stated.
Just schedule a meeting with Deb Cain, my Executive Assistant, at the SB office. She will place it on my calendar. I will try to talk to Deb before I go to inform her about this meeting and ask for her assistance. I am leaving town for awhile but will be back in a week or so. We, the SB, take the month of August off but I am in town due to sports and kids. We can always meet then too when things slow down a bit. Then again many go on vacation in August.
I believe, as of last night, WSHS will be on the 2011 bond. When the CIP is reviewed you will see this in print. The economy is a factor in this but they have also fast tracked some projects due to savings, etc. I think a meeting will help all to understand better. I suggest maybe a late afternoon meeting with Dean and Kevin if you would like at WSHS.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
snackbit
()
Date: October 17, 2010 09:53PM
Surely TaxpayersBeware, you are making this up. I have heard there is a lot of horse trading in the back room but Bradsher's actions have brought this trading to the front line.
Now, we can better understand what Gibson meant the night Bradsher made the motion to close Clifton when he said to Bradsher (and public) that it was no secret that this whole thing was about getting renovation $$$ for West Springfield High School.
What is really sad is that so many Clifton folks believed their school board representative....Bradsher.....was working with them to help at least defer the decision to close Clifton for some time.
Has this ever happened before where one School Board member is playing nice with one community and stabbing in the back another community?
Now, we can better understand what Gibson meant the night Bradsher made the motion to close Clifton when he said to Bradsher (and public) that it was no secret that this whole thing was about getting renovation $$$ for West Springfield High School.
What is really sad is that so many Clifton folks believed their school board representative....Bradsher.....was working with them to help at least defer the decision to close Clifton for some time.
Has this ever happened before where one School Board member is playing nice with one community and stabbing in the back another community?
WSHS principal in DEEP &%*#
Posted by:
She's BAACCKK!
()
Date: October 17, 2010 11:23PM
SOCO B**** setting new lows - this hit inbox!
WSHS principal in DEEP &%*# - scandal caca is going to hit the fan - does this admit a setup on SCMS, too?!
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WSHS principal in DEEP &%*# - scandal caca is going to hit the fan - does this admit a setup on SCMS, too?!
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
BoundaryStudy
()
Date: October 17, 2010 11:28PM
So it sounds like the Southwestern Regional Planning Study (which wasted a lot of people's time and taxpayer money) was basically a farce. Looks like the boundary study that is coming up is too because it looks like they already started working on it back in July! The parents with the kids at the other schools involved in the Boundary Study are fools if they think that the decisions about their schools haven't already been made. The only real input they are going to have is on election day.
From: James, Denise
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 21 12:45:03 2010
Subject: RE: attendance list
No worries ôª½ meeting at 1 with Toms Italiano and Mantzoros to look at best options for Clifton based on transportation routes
From: James, Denise
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 21 12:45:03 2010
Subject: RE: attendance list
No worries ôª½ meeting at 1 with Toms Italiano and Mantzoros to look at best options for Clifton based on transportation routes
Fire Pelosi AND Bradsher
Posted by:
WHO is Denise James??
()
Date: October 17, 2010 11:59PM
WHO is denise james and how come she gets to pick where kids go to school?
I don't get it - why did they do a planning study or how come they 're going to do boundary changing study if they are just going to pick where to send kids based on a freaking bus route?
While we're at it - who's Toms Italiano and Mantzoros?
I think I am pissed and confused. Waiting to see info to see if more one than other.
I don't get it - why did they do a planning study or how come they 're going to do boundary changing study if they are just going to pick where to send kids based on a freaking bus route?
While we're at it - who's Toms Italiano and Mantzoros?
I think I am pissed and confused. Waiting to see info to see if more one than other.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
disgusted
()
Date: October 18, 2010 12:28AM
Hello! Fiscal conservative? Are you kidding me? Trade in Clifton just to bump WSHS up the renovation queue and then spend Virgnia taxpayers money anwyay on expensive additions to compensate for the bad decision! This wasn't just about Clifton- there are numerous other schools involved! Of course, what does Delegate Dave Albo care - these schools aren't in his District but West Springfield High School is! This makes it look like Dave is completely insensitive to all the elementary age school childrens lives this is going to impact so long as his area is taken care of! Disgusting!
------Original Message------
From: davealbo@aol.com
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject:
Re: Sound bites
Sent: Jul 14, 2010 4:33 PM
Take care and thank you---I have received many emails thanking me.
You will get more votes for doing the fiscal conservative tough decision
than you will from losing votes in Clifton. And in Clifton, the only votes
you lose are the 300 families with students in the school. If you figure
that 40% of those are Dems who would never vote for you, you are only losing
180 households. You gain much much more than that AND you establish your
"TeaParty" credentials.
------Original Message------
From: davealbo@aol.com
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject:
Re: Sound bites
Sent: Jul 14, 2010 4:33 PM
Take care and thank you---I have received many emails thanking me.
You will get more votes for doing the fiscal conservative tough decision
than you will from losing votes in Clifton. And in Clifton, the only votes
you lose are the 300 families with students in the school. If you figure
that 40% of those are Dems who would never vote for you, you are only losing
180 households. You gain much much more than that AND you establish your
"TeaParty" credentials.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
disgusted too
()
Date: October 18, 2010 08:12AM
I hope everyone remembers Liz Bradsher's name and votes her out of any office she runs for whether she decides to be a republican or democrat. She is so involved in her own political gain that she has lost sight of how her votes effect the children and families she is supposed to represent. I am glad people are staring to expose her "back room deals". She needs to be called out on these.
Who's in charge at FCPS?!
Posted by:
Woodson Supporter
()
Date: October 18, 2010 10:43AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/15/AR2010101505444_Comments.html
FairfaxGOPr wrote:
Paul Regnier is complaining about not getting positive (any) press from the Post - that is HILARIOUS!
You know the reputation of Fairfax County Public Schools is on the cliff with Jack Dale and School Board driving them over the edge with their 4th lawsuit in just under 3 years, slapped by Richmond for abuse of alternate standardized tests, closing the school Obama visited and declared a success story, closing the historic top school in the county, enraging Woodson parents over trying to sneak a massive bus complex onto their campus and infuriating the Board of Supervisors time and again and who knows what else. Regnier crying for coverage - what? All the negative local stories getting to you and you need the cozy relationship of the Post to come to your rescue.
The corrupt reign of Dale and school board is OVER. Get used to the negative press - it is commensurate with your performance.
10/17/2010 12:06:19 PM
FairfaxGOPr wrote:
Paul Regnier is complaining about not getting positive (any) press from the Post - that is HILARIOUS!
You know the reputation of Fairfax County Public Schools is on the cliff with Jack Dale and School Board driving them over the edge with their 4th lawsuit in just under 3 years, slapped by Richmond for abuse of alternate standardized tests, closing the school Obama visited and declared a success story, closing the historic top school in the county, enraging Woodson parents over trying to sneak a massive bus complex onto their campus and infuriating the Board of Supervisors time and again and who knows what else. Regnier crying for coverage - what? All the negative local stories getting to you and you need the cozy relationship of the Post to come to your rescue.
The corrupt reign of Dale and school board is OVER. Get used to the negative press - it is commensurate with your performance.
10/17/2010 12:06:19 PM
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FairTax
()
Date: October 18, 2010 08:46PM
Go Liz! Keep digging that hole on your own and no one will have to work to beat you in 2011 wherever you decide to run. Remember, change is good! Oh wait, the Dems don't want you either. Scratch that.
Re: Who's in charge at FCPS?!
Posted by:
say
()
Date: October 18, 2010 09:26PM
Woodson Supporter Wrote:
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> ...enraging Woodson parents over trying to
> sneak a massive bus complex onto their campus...
"Massive"? Fifty buses ain't "massive".
Go to the West Ox, Newington, or Stonecroft facilities, with 200-400 buses at each. That's massive.
I'd bet South County has close to 50 buses parked smack out front. Lots at Kilmer Middle, and many other schools have dozens of buses parked. School buses are NOT out of place at a school. Most sane people EXPECT to see school buses at a fucking school! It's like they're proposing to park trash trucks there.
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> ...enraging Woodson parents over trying to
> sneak a massive bus complex onto their campus...
"Massive"? Fifty buses ain't "massive".
Go to the West Ox, Newington, or Stonecroft facilities, with 200-400 buses at each. That's massive.
I'd bet South County has close to 50 buses parked smack out front. Lots at Kilmer Middle, and many other schools have dozens of buses parked. School buses are NOT out of place at a school. Most sane people EXPECT to see school buses at a fucking school! It's like they're proposing to park trash trucks there.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hsparent
()
Date: October 18, 2010 11:39PM
snackbit Wrote:
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>
> Has this ever happened before where one School
> Board member is playing nice with one community
> and stabbing in the back another community?
Kathy Smith in the West County Boundary Study........
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>
> Has this ever happened before where one School
> Board member is playing nice with one community
> and stabbing in the back another community?
Kathy Smith in the West County Boundary Study........
Re: Who's in charge at FCPS?!
Posted by:
51buses
()
Date: October 19, 2010 01:07AM
Hey, 'say' says:
>"Massive"? Fifty buses ain't "massive".
>Go to the West Ox, Newington, or Stonecroft facilities, with 200-400 buses at >each. That's massive.
You moron - 51 buses is massive for a school campus that has already been taken over by FCPS (Tistadt) on 236 at the intersection of Pickett where over 400 fuel tankers pass through every week.
51 buses are over a half-mile long.
51 buses means 51 personal vehicles.
51 buses = killing/maiming a student crossing 236 = it's just a matter of time (though Tessie Wilson couldn't give a crap based on her RIDICULOUS 'representation' last week)
51 buses means cutting down all those trees that buffer businesses across the street
51 buses means reducing ingress/egress for parents, teachers and staff
GET IT?!
>"Massive"? Fifty buses ain't "massive".
>Go to the West Ox, Newington, or Stonecroft facilities, with 200-400 buses at >each. That's massive.
You moron - 51 buses is massive for a school campus that has already been taken over by FCPS (Tistadt) on 236 at the intersection of Pickett where over 400 fuel tankers pass through every week.
51 buses are over a half-mile long.
51 buses means 51 personal vehicles.
51 buses = killing/maiming a student crossing 236 = it's just a matter of time (though Tessie Wilson couldn't give a crap based on her RIDICULOUS 'representation' last week)
51 buses means cutting down all those trees that buffer businesses across the street
51 buses means reducing ingress/egress for parents, teachers and staff
GET IT?!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
A Riot
()
Date: October 19, 2010 04:26PM
A Riot - just don't know what kind, funny or revolutionary.
Do any - ANY? - SB members comply with this?!
Board Member Code of Conduct
The Board commits itself and its members to ethical, businesslike and lawful conduct, including proper use of authority and appropriate decorum when acting as Board members.
1. Each member has the obligation to bring constituent issues or new initiatives to the Board or the Superintendent, depending on whether the issue involves the Board’s role or the Superintendent’s role. However, each Board member is obligated to act in the best interest of the school system as a whole. This obligation supersedes:
a. any conflicting loyalty a member may have to other advocacy or interest groups;
b. loyalty based upon membership on other boards or staffs;
c. conflicts based upon the personal interest of any Board member or any member of their family; or
d. any obligation to represent a particular constituency or subset of the county.
2. Board members may not attempt to exercise individual authority over the organization:
a. members will refer complaints back into the system, with notification to the Superintendent. Although members may assist constituents in navigating the system, members will not take personal responsibility for reaching any particular resolution;
b. members will not give personal direction to any part of the operational organization;
c. when speaking on behalf of the Board, members will communicate only explicitly-stated Board decisions.
3. To build trust among members and to ensure an environment conducive to effective governance, members will:
a. focus on issues rather than personalities;
b. respect decisions of the full Board;
c. exercise honesty in all written and interpersonal interaction, never intentionally misleading or misinforming each other;
d. recognize the positive and negative aspects of dissent and shall refrain from public criticism of the motives, thinking, and philosophy of other members but may make their own views clear when in disagreement with a publicly stated opinion of the Board;
e. not publicly disparage the superintendent or staff;
f. make every reasonable effort to protect the integrity and promote the positive image of the system and one another;
g. never intentionally embarrass each other or the school system.
Adopted: December 7, 2006 Effective: January 1, 2007 Last Revised: December 17, 2009
Members shall maintain confidentiality appropriate to sensitive issues and information that otherwise may tend to compromise the integrity or legal standing of the Board or the school system, especially those matters discussed in closed session. If, for any reason, a School Board member prefers not to participate in a confidential discussion that is authorized or has a conflict of interest with the subject under discussion, he or she should leave the meeting before it begins.
5. Avoid conflicts of interest and the use of School Board membership for personal gain or even the appearance of impropriety, which can result from that position. A School Board member should exclude himself or herself from discussion or votes on subjects pertaining to a potential conflict of interest in accordance with the State and Local Government Conflict of Interest Act.
Do any - ANY? - SB members comply with this?!
Board Member Code of Conduct
The Board commits itself and its members to ethical, businesslike and lawful conduct, including proper use of authority and appropriate decorum when acting as Board members.
1. Each member has the obligation to bring constituent issues or new initiatives to the Board or the Superintendent, depending on whether the issue involves the Board’s role or the Superintendent’s role. However, each Board member is obligated to act in the best interest of the school system as a whole. This obligation supersedes:
a. any conflicting loyalty a member may have to other advocacy or interest groups;
b. loyalty based upon membership on other boards or staffs;
c. conflicts based upon the personal interest of any Board member or any member of their family; or
d. any obligation to represent a particular constituency or subset of the county.
2. Board members may not attempt to exercise individual authority over the organization:
a. members will refer complaints back into the system, with notification to the Superintendent. Although members may assist constituents in navigating the system, members will not take personal responsibility for reaching any particular resolution;
b. members will not give personal direction to any part of the operational organization;
c. when speaking on behalf of the Board, members will communicate only explicitly-stated Board decisions.
3. To build trust among members and to ensure an environment conducive to effective governance, members will:
a. focus on issues rather than personalities;
b. respect decisions of the full Board;
c. exercise honesty in all written and interpersonal interaction, never intentionally misleading or misinforming each other;
d. recognize the positive and negative aspects of dissent and shall refrain from public criticism of the motives, thinking, and philosophy of other members but may make their own views clear when in disagreement with a publicly stated opinion of the Board;
e. not publicly disparage the superintendent or staff;
f. make every reasonable effort to protect the integrity and promote the positive image of the system and one another;
g. never intentionally embarrass each other or the school system.
Adopted: December 7, 2006 Effective: January 1, 2007 Last Revised: December 17, 2009
Members shall maintain confidentiality appropriate to sensitive issues and information that otherwise may tend to compromise the integrity or legal standing of the Board or the school system, especially those matters discussed in closed session. If, for any reason, a School Board member prefers not to participate in a confidential discussion that is authorized or has a conflict of interest with the subject under discussion, he or she should leave the meeting before it begins.
5. Avoid conflicts of interest and the use of School Board membership for personal gain or even the appearance of impropriety, which can result from that position. A School Board member should exclude himself or herself from discussion or votes on subjects pertaining to a potential conflict of interest in accordance with the State and Local Government Conflict of Interest Act.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
those evil dogooder smiles
()
Date: October 19, 2010 04:43PM
Hilarious. I think this tells you all you need to know. They should tear this piece of paper to shreds and just have at it. "Patty cake" show should be over. We want the real facts no matter how "embarrassing". Rules like this never cause anyone to be ethical---they just hide the dirt.
What a joke.
What a joke.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The Fix Was In
()
Date: October 19, 2010 07:26PM
anyone still think the FCPS fix wasn't in for CES?
now, chairman kathy smith is involved. oh, and dean tistadt. oh, wait - there's more. jack dale is now in on the fix. superintendent pressuring sb member to vote against ces.
no - it was all based on 'facts'.
time for investigation. audit. 'a cleanse'?
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now, chairman kathy smith is involved. oh, and dean tistadt. oh, wait - there's more. jack dale is now in on the fix. superintendent pressuring sb member to vote against ces.
no - it was all based on 'facts'.
time for investigation. audit. 'a cleanse'?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
One up you
()
Date: October 19, 2010 07:48PM
not sure why we have two threads - all are equally disturbing.
repost from WTW hijackers thread.
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repost from WTW hijackers thread.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justice S
()
Date: October 19, 2010 09:04PM
The Fix Was In Wrote:
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> time for investigation. audit. 'a cleanse'?
Somewhere in this great county of ours must live an FBI employee who can start a racketeering investigation based on the information revealed in these e-mails. Subpoena the school board and FCPS records that are not FOIA releasable and learn the entire story. Convene a grand jury and force them to tell the truth. Follow the money to its source.
Do this and Bradsher, Wilson, and Tisdadt might have to resign before election day/retirement date.
Or maybe get the WashPo to investigate... Pulitzer Prize material here if they can grab it.
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> time for investigation. audit. 'a cleanse'?
Somewhere in this great county of ours must live an FBI employee who can start a racketeering investigation based on the information revealed in these e-mails. Subpoena the school board and FCPS records that are not FOIA releasable and learn the entire story. Convene a grand jury and force them to tell the truth. Follow the money to its source.
Do this and Bradsher, Wilson, and Tisdadt might have to resign before election day/retirement date.
Or maybe get the WashPo to investigate... Pulitzer Prize material here if they can grab it.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WP
()
Date: October 19, 2010 10:44PM
Justice S Wrote:
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> The Fix Was In Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > time for investigation. audit. 'a cleanse'?
>
> Somewhere in this great county of ours must live
> an FBI employee who can start a racketeering
> investigation based on the information revealed in
> these e-mails. Subpoena the school board and FCPS
> records that are not FOIA releasable and learn the
> entire story. Convene a grand jury and force them
> to tell the truth. Follow the money to its
> source.
>
> Do this and Bradsher, Wilson, and Tisdadt might
> have to resign before election day/retirement
> date.
>
> Or maybe get the WashPo to investigate... Pulitzer
> Prize material here if they can grab it.
The Washington Post is nothing more than a branch of the FCPS PR Department and a lot of parents know it so they don't even care about what that paper says anymore with regard to FCPS!
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> The Fix Was In Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > time for investigation. audit. 'a cleanse'?
>
> Somewhere in this great county of ours must live
> an FBI employee who can start a racketeering
> investigation based on the information revealed in
> these e-mails. Subpoena the school board and FCPS
> records that are not FOIA releasable and learn the
> entire story. Convene a grand jury and force them
> to tell the truth. Follow the money to its
> source.
>
> Do this and Bradsher, Wilson, and Tisdadt might
> have to resign before election day/retirement
> date.
>
> Or maybe get the WashPo to investigate... Pulitzer
> Prize material here if they can grab it.
The Washington Post is nothing more than a branch of the FCPS PR Department and a lot of parents know it so they don't even care about what that paper says anymore with regard to FCPS!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
NoToLiz
()
Date: October 19, 2010 10:46PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:37 AM
To: James, Denise
Subject: Re: attendance list
I agree and will call you. Boundaries bring about special interests and of course parochial interests. I was somewhat taken back at the # of PTA/PTO presidents there last night. My initial hope was such a volunteer would be a parent or citizen that was not a leader in the PTA, etc., rather a citizen interested in the issue and process who cared to
get involve.
The County Council, Ramona Morrow, is now involved and I think this is a conflict of interest to a certain extent. She was a Lake Braddock parent but is now the President of the County Council. I am not saying she might not be a good committee member it just seems to me to be a conflict.
Liz
________________________________
What a load of crap!! Do you think that maybe Liz's reasoning for saying Ramona Morrow is a conflict is not because she is on the County Council but really because Ramona Morrow RAN AGAINST LIZ BRADHSER IN HER 2007 ELECTION FOR SPRINGFIELD DISTRICT BOARD OF EDUCATION!
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:37 AM
To: James, Denise
Subject: Re: attendance list
I agree and will call you. Boundaries bring about special interests and of course parochial interests. I was somewhat taken back at the # of PTA/PTO presidents there last night. My initial hope was such a volunteer would be a parent or citizen that was not a leader in the PTA, etc., rather a citizen interested in the issue and process who cared to
get involve.
The County Council, Ramona Morrow, is now involved and I think this is a conflict of interest to a certain extent. She was a Lake Braddock parent but is now the President of the County Council. I am not saying she might not be a good committee member it just seems to me to be a conflict.
Liz
________________________________
What a load of crap!! Do you think that maybe Liz's reasoning for saying Ramona Morrow is a conflict is not because she is on the County Council but really because Ramona Morrow RAN AGAINST LIZ BRADHSER IN HER 2007 ELECTION FOR SPRINGFIELD DISTRICT BOARD OF EDUCATION!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Pick Non-FRM kids to move HS??
()
Date: October 20, 2010 01:57AM
is it legalto plot and to handpick kids and target them for moving highschools just because they aren't 'poor' or declare for FRM on some sheet of paper they may or may not qualify for b/c mom & dad write it down?
so fcps can hand select to move kids around just based on what mom or dad declare in income? isn't this profiling? who is responsible for this? i see bradsheer but annandale and others, are they even in her district? what is her problem and why is she picking on annandale-doesn't she have enough satifaction picking on clifton? get away from our school troll. if i can't find people to vote you out i'll spend every penny i have to get you on a bus to alabama wher they decide school attendance on desgregation - fairfax is fine without your dirty hands.
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so fcps can hand select to move kids around just based on what mom or dad declare in income? isn't this profiling? who is responsible for this? i see bradsheer but annandale and others, are they even in her district? what is her problem and why is she picking on annandale-doesn't she have enough satifaction picking on clifton? get away from our school troll. if i can't find people to vote you out i'll spend every penny i have to get you on a bus to alabama wher they decide school attendance on desgregation - fairfax is fine without your dirty hands.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SCparent
()
Date: October 20, 2010 06:59AM
FYI,Liz Bradshers real name is the South County Bitch. She has been screwing groups/kids for the last eight years. She only cares about her kids.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hsparent
()
Date: October 20, 2010 07:28AM
My question - how are we able to see these e-mails? You has acess to this stuff? Is there a "whistleblower" at fcps?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FairTax
()
Date: October 20, 2010 09:36AM
You are seeing these emails it appears because someone (likely the Clifton crew that is suing FCPS) has requested the information through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Speculator
()
Date: October 20, 2010 09:47AM
hsparent Wrote:
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> My question - how are we able to see these
> e-mails? You has acess to this stuff? Is there a
> "whistleblower" at fcps?
I think someone just made a request under the state Freedom of Information Act for the records. Or maybe they were obtained in connection with the Clifton lawsuit?
What's interesting, though, is that FCPS turned them over. Usually government bodies come up with all sorts of excuses to avoid producing such documents. Whoever turned them over was clearly not looking to protect Liz.
The tone of the e-mails is disgusting. The School Board members come across as amateur, illiterate and gossipy. Very scary to think they make decisions that affect our kids.
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> My question - how are we able to see these
> e-mails? You has acess to this stuff? Is there a
> "whistleblower" at fcps?
I think someone just made a request under the state Freedom of Information Act for the records. Or maybe they were obtained in connection with the Clifton lawsuit?
What's interesting, though, is that FCPS turned them over. Usually government bodies come up with all sorts of excuses to avoid producing such documents. Whoever turned them over was clearly not looking to protect Liz.
The tone of the e-mails is disgusting. The School Board members come across as amateur, illiterate and gossipy. Very scary to think they make decisions that affect our kids.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
InTheKnow
()
Date: October 20, 2010 10:47AM
Emails not acquired through lawsuit-Emails not acquired by plaintiffs
Many requests have come into FCPS from people who have nothing to do with Clifton Elementary.
Elected officials and public school systems are run with public dollars - any resident or citizen has a right to inspect this information onsite or pay for copies of it. Seems like a LOT MORE requests need to go in from taxpayers.
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+2.2-3700
http://www.opengovva.org/
http://foiacouncil.dls.virginia.gov/
Many requests have come into FCPS from people who have nothing to do with Clifton Elementary.
Elected officials and public school systems are run with public dollars - any resident or citizen has a right to inspect this information onsite or pay for copies of it. Seems like a LOT MORE requests need to go in from taxpayers.
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+2.2-3700
http://www.opengovva.org/
http://foiacouncil.dls.virginia.gov/
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Speculator
()
Date: October 20, 2010 01:21PM
I'd love to see the Washington Post do a good article or series examining these e-mails and the petty intrigue among School Board members and staff.
But it will probably never happen. The Post is cutting back on its staff, and the staff that is still there is both completely oriented towards DC and Maryland and sufficiently knee-jerk liberal that it will assume there's an excellent reason for any decision that results in closing a school like Clifton ES.
But it will probably never happen. The Post is cutting back on its staff, and the staff that is still there is both completely oriented towards DC and Maryland and sufficiently knee-jerk liberal that it will assume there's an excellent reason for any decision that results in closing a school like Clifton ES.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
are you kidding me?
()
Date: October 20, 2010 02:27PM
I am confused by Ms. Bradsher-aka republican-intense interest in socioeconomic balancing of our schools. It seems inconsistent with her past actions when she was picking and choosing who got to attend her country club school South County. She made sure as many families were pulled from the "inferior" schools surrounding SOCO-Lee, MT Vernon, Hayfield.
Now of course those schools are underenrolled and SOCO is busting out. Then she demands a middle school be built-ahead of other schools who have been waiting FORTY years for renovations (Langley, TJ and West Springfield) at the tune of $55 million bucks.
Is this the new breed of fiscal conservativism in the republican party?
If so, you guys are in trouble.
Liz- if you want to close a school that is underenrolled-close the ONE school IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!!
That's right-Silverbrook Elem-expected to be at 75% capacity-lowest usage of ANY school in the county.
But no, why harm your community? Keep raping and pillaging neighboring communities.
You sicken us-you are toxic-please resign.
Now of course those schools are underenrolled and SOCO is busting out. Then she demands a middle school be built-ahead of other schools who have been waiting FORTY years for renovations (Langley, TJ and West Springfield) at the tune of $55 million bucks.
Is this the new breed of fiscal conservativism in the republican party?
If so, you guys are in trouble.
Liz- if you want to close a school that is underenrolled-close the ONE school IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!!
That's right-Silverbrook Elem-expected to be at 75% capacity-lowest usage of ANY school in the county.
But no, why harm your community? Keep raping and pillaging neighboring communities.
You sicken us-you are toxic-please resign.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Fairfax Times letter
()
Date: October 20, 2010 02:34PM
Liz Bradsher's response to a letter from Janet Otersen is in the Fairfax Times today. Classic spin--painting anyone who disagrees with her as having no facts.
There's also an article about the proposed bus depot at Woodson High School, and the parents' hysteria at having school buses parked at...a SCHOOL!
There's also an article about the proposed bus depot at Woodson High School, and the parents' hysteria at having school buses parked at...a SCHOOL!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Oldie but Goodie
()
Date: October 21, 2010 01:51PM
to connection newspapers mike o'connell:
Mike:
You know how you can keep watching a good movie over and over again and still enjoy it?
Well, this letter is just so good, I can keep reading it all day, every day.
Your readership deserves an encore, a retrospective of 'great letters of the Connection's past connecting to the present and future'.
Maybe with a tag line of how much the Clifton community FINALLY agrees with Liz Bradsher? Wouldn't have believed this unless I saw it with my own eyes!
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=280209&paper=72&cat=110
The School Board and the FCPS system must come to terms with the definition of what is a "community school" and "ownership of one's school." It appears the public, the School Board and school system all differ with respect to the basic philosophical definitions as well as the perceptions of these two terms. The public deserves an accountable boundary process. A process that is well defined with ranked criteria and addresses the issue of "ownership," perception, proximity, as well as community history. To refrain from addressing these issues is selling the public short. I don't think the public/parents of this county deserve that, do you?
Mike:
You know how you can keep watching a good movie over and over again and still enjoy it?
Well, this letter is just so good, I can keep reading it all day, every day.
Your readership deserves an encore, a retrospective of 'great letters of the Connection's past connecting to the present and future'.
Maybe with a tag line of how much the Clifton community FINALLY agrees with Liz Bradsher? Wouldn't have believed this unless I saw it with my own eyes!
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=280209&paper=72&cat=110
The School Board and the FCPS system must come to terms with the definition of what is a "community school" and "ownership of one's school." It appears the public, the School Board and school system all differ with respect to the basic philosophical definitions as well as the perceptions of these two terms. The public deserves an accountable boundary process. A process that is well defined with ranked criteria and addresses the issue of "ownership," perception, proximity, as well as community history. To refrain from addressing these issues is selling the public short. I don't think the public/parents of this county deserve that, do you?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Too Kind
()
Date: October 21, 2010 02:25PM
This is a little more like it:
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Agreed! Go Liz Go
()
Date: October 21, 2010 02:43PM
are you kidding me? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I am confused by Ms. Bradsher-aka
> republican-intense interest in socioeconomic
> balancing of our schools. It seems inconsistent
> with her past actions when she was picking and
> choosing who got to attend her country club school
> South County. She made sure as many families were
> pulled from the "inferior" schools surrounding
> SOCO-Lee, MT Vernon, Hayfield.
>
> Now of course those schools are underenrolled and
> SOCO is busting out. Then she demands a middle
> school be built-ahead of other schools who have
> been waiting FORTY years for renovations (Langley,
> TJ and West Springfield) at the tune of $55
> million bucks.
>
> Is this the new breed of fiscal conservativism in
> the republican party?
>
> If so, you guys are in trouble.
>
> Liz- if you want to close a school that is
> underenrolled-close the ONE school IN YOUR
> NEIGHBORHOOD!!
>
> That's right-Silverbrook Elem-expected to be at
> 75% capacity-lowest usage of ANY school in the
> county.
>
> But no, why harm your community? Keep raping and
> pillaging neighboring communities.
>
> You sicken us-you are toxic-please resign.
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> I am confused by Ms. Bradsher-aka
> republican-intense interest in socioeconomic
> balancing of our schools. It seems inconsistent
> with her past actions when she was picking and
> choosing who got to attend her country club school
> South County. She made sure as many families were
> pulled from the "inferior" schools surrounding
> SOCO-Lee, MT Vernon, Hayfield.
>
> Now of course those schools are underenrolled and
> SOCO is busting out. Then she demands a middle
> school be built-ahead of other schools who have
> been waiting FORTY years for renovations (Langley,
> TJ and West Springfield) at the tune of $55
> million bucks.
>
> Is this the new breed of fiscal conservativism in
> the republican party?
>
> If so, you guys are in trouble.
>
> Liz- if you want to close a school that is
> underenrolled-close the ONE school IN YOUR
> NEIGHBORHOOD!!
>
> That's right-Silverbrook Elem-expected to be at
> 75% capacity-lowest usage of ANY school in the
> county.
>
> But no, why harm your community? Keep raping and
> pillaging neighboring communities.
>
> You sicken us-you are toxic-please resign.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Oh Liz and Larry!
()
Date: October 21, 2010 04:55PM
Waiting for the SNL skit...
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Unwise Liz
()
Date: October 21, 2010 05:33PM
Spin away, Liz - spin away.
Who are you going to "CRIPPLE AT THE KNEES" next?!
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Who are you going to "CRIPPLE AT THE KNEES" next?!
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dean's Gal
()
Date: October 21, 2010 11:05PM
and the palsy-walsy fix continues:
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mr. Fairly Confident
()
Date: October 22, 2010 02:08AM
doo doo da doo - doo doo da doo - doo doo da doo
"It's Lar-r-y, the fair-lyyyy CON-FI-DENT de-mo-graph---e-rrrrrrr!"
Welcoming FCPS' cast of characters back to the stage in the Larry & Liz Show - this dropped in my box and too too good (bad).
Larry - hit palm to forehead & say "OOOPPS!" - another '20124' only set of data. Bang up job, all. Cheerio.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: James, Denise
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/28/2010 7:41:23 PM
Subject: Re: Housing Sales
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Coincidence?
________________________________
From: James, Denise
To: Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Mon Jun 28 19:30:28 2010
Subject: FW: Housing Sales
This from Larry late last week - Charlie Rau indicated that 36 students
were registered for kindergarten for this fall - today it seems to up
already
From: Bizette, Larry T.
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:59 PM
To: James, Denise
Subject: Housing Sales
Total housing sales in the Clifton, Union Mill and part of Willow
Springs areas (20124 zip code) for March, April and May of the following
years:
2005 59
2006 56
2007 41
2008 36
2009 29
2010 51
How many of those houses sold were actually of retirees moving out and
being replaced with younger families moving in?
Larry
"It's Lar-r-y, the fair-lyyyy CON-FI-DENT de-mo-graph---e-rrrrrrr!"
Welcoming FCPS' cast of characters back to the stage in the Larry & Liz Show - this dropped in my box and too too good (bad).
Larry - hit palm to forehead & say "OOOPPS!" - another '20124' only set of data. Bang up job, all. Cheerio.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: James, Denise
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/28/2010 7:41:23 PM
Subject: Re: Housing Sales
Attachments:
Coincidence?
________________________________
From: James, Denise
To: Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Mon Jun 28 19:30:28 2010
Subject: FW: Housing Sales
This from Larry late last week - Charlie Rau indicated that 36 students
were registered for kindergarten for this fall - today it seems to up
already
From: Bizette, Larry T.
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:59 PM
To: James, Denise
Subject: Housing Sales
Total housing sales in the Clifton, Union Mill and part of Willow
Springs areas (20124 zip code) for March, April and May of the following
years:
2005 59
2006 56
2007 41
2008 36
2009 29
2010 51
How many of those houses sold were actually of retirees moving out and
being replaced with younger families moving in?
Larry
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FCPS gone mad?
()
Date: October 22, 2010 03:21AM
Quid Pro...Queue
Dale must be so proud, his babes have all grown up to be just like him.
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Dale must be so proud, his babes have all grown up to be just like him.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
A Riot!
()
Date: October 22, 2010 08:53PM
School Board holds
Closed Door Session
at October 21st business meeting
to discuss transparency issues of
FOIAs regarding open government!
Closed Door Session
at October 21st business meeting
to discuss transparency issues of
FOIAs regarding open government!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
What?
()
Date: October 22, 2010 09:50PM
A Riot! Wrote:
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> School Board holds
>
> Closed Door Session
>
> at October 21st business meeting
>
> to discuss transparency issues of
>
> FOIAs regarding open government!
Aren't there rules that determine when they are allowed to hold closed door sessions? Isn't holding a closed door session about Freedom of Information Act requests a violation of the rules?
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> School Board holds
>
> Closed Door Session
>
> at October 21st business meeting
>
> to discuss transparency issues of
>
> FOIAs regarding open government!
Aren't there rules that determine when they are allowed to hold closed door sessions? Isn't holding a closed door session about Freedom of Information Act requests a violation of the rules?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SayWHAT?!
()
Date: October 22, 2010 10:02PM
Ok - had enough - been too quite on this subject
Knew = now it is all in b+w
Bradsher - You are officially crippled at the knees.
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Knew = now it is all in b+w
Bradsher - You are officially crippled at the knees.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Rich
()
Date: October 22, 2010 10:22PM
What? Wrote:
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> A Riot! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > School Board holds
> >
> > Closed Door Session
> >
> > at October 21st business meeting
> >
> > to discuss transparency issues of
> >
> > FOIAs regarding open government!
>
>
> Aren't there rules that determine when they are
> allowed to hold closed door sessions? Isn't
> holding a closed door session about Freedom of
> Information Act requests a violation of the rules?
This is rich. Here it is. "In accordance with the Virginia Freedom of Information Act, closed meetings are held ONLY for consideration of certain student, personnel, property, and legal matters." So did they violate FOIA to talk about FOIAs?
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> A Riot! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > School Board holds
> >
> > Closed Door Session
> >
> > at October 21st business meeting
> >
> > to discuss transparency issues of
> >
> > FOIAs regarding open government!
>
>
> Aren't there rules that determine when they are
> allowed to hold closed door sessions? Isn't
> holding a closed door session about Freedom of
> Information Act requests a violation of the rules?
This is rich. Here it is. "In accordance with the Virginia Freedom of Information Act, closed meetings are held ONLY for consideration of certain student, personnel, property, and legal matters." So did they violate FOIA to talk about FOIAs?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Get the Popcorn
()
Date: October 22, 2010 10:42PM
and a barf bag...
How do any of these people sleep at night?
You could have worked to get what you wanted by advocating with grace and cooperation but chose devoid of all morals?
This is the leadership of your community WSHS - and School Board. And FCPS.
What has happened to FFX Cty?
Message File name: FW MEETING NOTES 6 23 SOAR Leadership Conf Call.msg
From: Wardinski, Paul A. [PAWardinski@fcps.edu]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 7/1/2010 7:19:32 AM
Subject: FW: MEETING NOTES: 6/23 SOAR Leadership Conf Call
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Liz—
FYI below.
Must have been an interesting meeting with you and Pat.
Let’s do lunch or a beer after I return next week if you have time. I know I talked with Jane Lipp and she would like to get together as well.
we both love your support and feel badly for all you have had to go through between the budget and Clifton.
Hang in there.
PAW
Paul A. Wardinski
Principal
West Springfield High School
6100 Rolling Road
Springfield, Virginia 22152
703.913.3806
paul.wardinski@fcps.edu
From: Wardinski, Paul A.
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:17 AM
To: 'Erik & Mary Hawkins'; Leslie Carlin; Chadwell, Laura G
Subject: RE: MEETING NOTES: 6/23 SOAR Leadership Conf Call
Erik--
If the PTSA sends me something from them to send to the community from them to support SOAR’s email effort, encouraging them to go to your website, etc., I think, even though it is a gray area, we could send it.
It must be from Laurie, the new PTSA President, and very clear this is from her and the PTSA and not the school nor an outside group. It must be positive and must not mention any other school in a negative fashion, only supporting overall CIP efforts and WSHS.
Thanks from Hershey on y way to Cape Cod—
PAW
Paul A. Wardinski
Principal
West Springfield High School
6100 Rolling Road
Springfield, Virginia 22152
703.913.3806
paul.wardinski@fcps.edu
From: Erik & Mary Hawkins [mailto:em.hawkins@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:49 PM
To: Christian Deschauer; Chadwell, Laura G; Rob Robertory; Paul Liberty; Nancy Knickerbocker; Monique Craft; Lynn Smith; Lorey Goerlinger; Christine Morin; Leslie Carlin; Wardinski, Paul A.; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Hawkins, Erik; Pat Herrity
Subject: Re: MEETING NOTES: 6/23 SOAR Leadership Conf Call
Hi Team,
Here are meeting notes from last week's call:
* Attending: Erik, Liz, Pat, Monique, Laurie, Christian, Lynn, Paul L
* Liz provided key July dates of CIP-impacting SB/Staff action:
July 8 - SB vote on Clifton ES/Southwestern Study; 7/19 Work Session -
Facilities Staff will provide the SB a detailed CIP readout/status update
* Pat shared that at a recent BOS meeting, he recommended that "The BOS and the SB should work together to accelerate CIP projects including "design build" planning
* Liz shared that FCPS staff had replied via email earlier on 6/23 that "design build" planning would not work for renovation projects but might be an option for new construction
* A lot of discussion followed between Liz and Pat over both this issue as well as the Clifton ES issue and they referenced a meeting that was to be held later that day
* Erik also asked Liz for recommendations and advice on what SOAR can do now given the CIP SB/Staff activity happening in July. She replied that SOAR should execute an email campaign to SB members that without mentioning any specific schools or projects (Clifton ES), we request that the SB make prudent fiscal CIP decisions given the reality
that the CIP is underfunded and CIP budget is very constrained. And that this email campaign needs to be done now before 7/8 and that SB members are getting a lot of emails from the Clifton community.
* And Liz advised that the West Springfield community needs to get this message across to the SB and needs to make its community voice heard amid all the other messages SB members are receiving on the SW County issues.
* Time is of the essence to get this message across over the next week with the July 4th holiday in the middle.
* Attached (see page 2) is a WS community email that I will release tonight to our entire SOAR distro (WS community + all SB + Facilities FCPS Staff + Herrity/Bulova/Cook BOS + media). The purpose of this email will be to reengage our community and also to let SB know that we are aware of and watching SW Study developments.
* I will then repurpose this email over the next day or so to send an "Open Letter to the School Board" from SOAR. I can send that draft for review but want to try to get this sent by Sat AM at the latest.
* Then I think since we do not have a lot of time, can each of us send an email to 2, 3, 5 or however many personal friends/neighbors/contacts asking them to send emails with this same message to all SB members at the email address schoolboardmembers@fcps.edu? I think this is the most effective way to get WS community emails sent quickly and on message and I do not have time to educate and motivate the entire WS community to send SB emails on the SW issue that is probably under the radar for the vast majority
of our community. I think if each of us send a targeted personal email to friends/neighbors, etc, we can get our WS community message across quickly and effectively and can at least get our community voice heard to the SB in advance of the July 8 Clifton ES/SW Study vote. Thoughts?
Leslie has already done this and her email is copied below. I will do something similar probably late Fri or Sat AM at the latest.
* Also at the 6/23 meeting, we agreed to schedule SOAR face-to-face meetings with SB members Reed and Evans (new to SB to educate on CIP, meet & greet, etc) and BOS Herrity, Bulova and Cook – to follow up on meetings last summer when they requested that we keep them informed. Paul L will help me schedule those in July.
Thanks, Erik
--------------------------------
Leslie's email:
Hey everyone…I hope you’re having a good summer so far (hope Bermuda, Myrtle Beach, Cape Cod and other beaches were/are fun!!). I’m asking for your help with getting WSHS renovated as soon as possible!!!!
We REALLY need to SEND the SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS as many emails as possible regarding the WSHS RENOVATION. As some of you know, many people spoke to the School Board last night about renovating Clifton Elementary. Without mentioning Clifton at all, we need to be vocal about WSHS once again, and remind the SB that we are still waiting for a much needed, much anticipated renovation.
I am attaching a sample text that you can use directly, or if you’d like to amend/change it, that would work also. I’m sure Erik will be sending something as well. In order for the message to go to all of the members, please use schoolboardmembers@fcps.edu. PLEASE PLEASE let’s keep WSHS in the forefront … there is a possibility that we can move to be on the bond in 2011….that is next year!!!! So please send this to
your neighbors, friends, relatives, and anyone else, and have them send it to the school board. Let’s get WSHS renovated ASAP!! The vote is on July 8, so the sooner, the better.
Thanks, Leslie
________________________________________________________________________
_____________________________________________________________________
Dear Fairfax County School Board Members (schoolboardmembers@fcps.edu.)
This letter is to remind you that WEST SPRINGFIELD HIGH SCHOOL is
in desperate need of renovation. I encourage you to please take the most fiscally responsible action and use the scarce capital funds available to renovate WSHS and other LEGACY high schools that are in dire need of renovation as soon as possible. As you are aware, WSHS is already over capacity and is projected to be over capacity by several
hundred more students in three to four years. WSHS, its facilities and amenities are outdated, in disrepair and are inadequate—they do not meet current educational specifications, especially in science, technology and music. The school is used by thousands of students, community members and the county on a 24-7 basis. As a community-use school, WSHS serves so many people -- funding this renovation is a sound and responsible financial move.
As the current economic state continues to positively impact the CIP, causing project bids to come in under budget projections, I hope you will take the steps that result in the most significant cost savings and the most prudent use of money for FCPS students. We appreciate your careful and sensible consideration of all renovation proposals. Thank
you –
----- Original Message -----
From: Hawkins, Erik
To: Erik & Mary Hawkins ; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) ; Wardinski, Paul A. ; Leslie Carlin ; Christine Morin ; Lorey Goerlinger ; Lynn Smith ; Monique Craft
; Nancy Knickerbocker ; Paul Liberty ; Rob Robertory ; Chadwell, Laura G
Cc: Christian Deschauer ; Cain, Debora L.
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:53 AM
Subject: REMINDER: SOAR Leadership Conf Call Today @ 3PM
Team, FYI
Just a quick reminder that we've teed up a conference call for today @ 3PM for whoever is available to discuss a SOAR advocacy strategy in advance of the July CIP happenings - decisions on the Southwestern Study, Staff readout of a CIP update, etc.
Conference Call Details:
Dial In: 866-746-9442 Then enter passcode: 599-2311# You will then probably hear a message: "The leader passcode has already been entered. You will be joined as a participant."
I'd like to discuss the attached doc and Liz has also suggested the following (email below). I only have an hour and need to be done by 4PM.
Thanks, Erik
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'em.hawkins@verizon.net'
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: SOAR Leadership - WSHS - Conf Call Wed 6/23 @ 3PM?
Eric
It would be helpful if SOAR drafted a letter requesting the Board make prudently fiscal decisions when considering renovatoion needs. You don't have to mention a specific school, just positively refer to wise renovation based decisions which will have impacts on
future projects. This will tell members: #1. SOAR remains intouch with the current issues and #2 SOAR continues to seek earlier bonding for WSHS.
Liz
How do any of these people sleep at night?
You could have worked to get what you wanted by advocating with grace and cooperation but chose devoid of all morals?
This is the leadership of your community WSHS - and School Board. And FCPS.
What has happened to FFX Cty?
Message File name: FW MEETING NOTES 6 23 SOAR Leadership Conf Call.msg
From: Wardinski, Paul A. [PAWardinski@fcps.edu]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 7/1/2010 7:19:32 AM
Subject: FW: MEETING NOTES: 6/23 SOAR Leadership Conf Call
Attachments:
Liz—
FYI below.
Must have been an interesting meeting with you and Pat.
Let’s do lunch or a beer after I return next week if you have time. I know I talked with Jane Lipp and she would like to get together as well.
we both love your support and feel badly for all you have had to go through between the budget and Clifton.
Hang in there.
PAW
Paul A. Wardinski
Principal
West Springfield High School
6100 Rolling Road
Springfield, Virginia 22152
703.913.3806
paul.wardinski@fcps.edu
From: Wardinski, Paul A.
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:17 AM
To: 'Erik & Mary Hawkins'; Leslie Carlin; Chadwell, Laura G
Subject: RE: MEETING NOTES: 6/23 SOAR Leadership Conf Call
Erik--
If the PTSA sends me something from them to send to the community from them to support SOAR’s email effort, encouraging them to go to your website, etc., I think, even though it is a gray area, we could send it.
It must be from Laurie, the new PTSA President, and very clear this is from her and the PTSA and not the school nor an outside group. It must be positive and must not mention any other school in a negative fashion, only supporting overall CIP efforts and WSHS.
Thanks from Hershey on y way to Cape Cod—
PAW
Paul A. Wardinski
Principal
West Springfield High School
6100 Rolling Road
Springfield, Virginia 22152
703.913.3806
paul.wardinski@fcps.edu
From: Erik & Mary Hawkins [mailto:em.hawkins@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:49 PM
To: Christian Deschauer; Chadwell, Laura G; Rob Robertory; Paul Liberty; Nancy Knickerbocker; Monique Craft; Lynn Smith; Lorey Goerlinger; Christine Morin; Leslie Carlin; Wardinski, Paul A.; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Hawkins, Erik; Pat Herrity
Subject: Re: MEETING NOTES: 6/23 SOAR Leadership Conf Call
Hi Team,
Here are meeting notes from last week's call:
* Attending: Erik, Liz, Pat, Monique, Laurie, Christian, Lynn, Paul L
* Liz provided key July dates of CIP-impacting SB/Staff action:
July 8 - SB vote on Clifton ES/Southwestern Study; 7/19 Work Session -
Facilities Staff will provide the SB a detailed CIP readout/status update
* Pat shared that at a recent BOS meeting, he recommended that "The BOS and the SB should work together to accelerate CIP projects including "design build" planning
* Liz shared that FCPS staff had replied via email earlier on 6/23 that "design build" planning would not work for renovation projects but might be an option for new construction
* A lot of discussion followed between Liz and Pat over both this issue as well as the Clifton ES issue and they referenced a meeting that was to be held later that day
* Erik also asked Liz for recommendations and advice on what SOAR can do now given the CIP SB/Staff activity happening in July. She replied that SOAR should execute an email campaign to SB members that without mentioning any specific schools or projects (Clifton ES), we request that the SB make prudent fiscal CIP decisions given the reality
that the CIP is underfunded and CIP budget is very constrained. And that this email campaign needs to be done now before 7/8 and that SB members are getting a lot of emails from the Clifton community.
* And Liz advised that the West Springfield community needs to get this message across to the SB and needs to make its community voice heard amid all the other messages SB members are receiving on the SW County issues.
* Time is of the essence to get this message across over the next week with the July 4th holiday in the middle.
* Attached (see page 2) is a WS community email that I will release tonight to our entire SOAR distro (WS community + all SB + Facilities FCPS Staff + Herrity/Bulova/Cook BOS + media). The purpose of this email will be to reengage our community and also to let SB know that we are aware of and watching SW Study developments.
* I will then repurpose this email over the next day or so to send an "Open Letter to the School Board" from SOAR. I can send that draft for review but want to try to get this sent by Sat AM at the latest.
* Then I think since we do not have a lot of time, can each of us send an email to 2, 3, 5 or however many personal friends/neighbors/contacts asking them to send emails with this same message to all SB members at the email address schoolboardmembers@fcps.edu? I think this is the most effective way to get WS community emails sent quickly and on message and I do not have time to educate and motivate the entire WS community to send SB emails on the SW issue that is probably under the radar for the vast majority
of our community. I think if each of us send a targeted personal email to friends/neighbors, etc, we can get our WS community message across quickly and effectively and can at least get our community voice heard to the SB in advance of the July 8 Clifton ES/SW Study vote. Thoughts?
Leslie has already done this and her email is copied below. I will do something similar probably late Fri or Sat AM at the latest.
* Also at the 6/23 meeting, we agreed to schedule SOAR face-to-face meetings with SB members Reed and Evans (new to SB to educate on CIP, meet & greet, etc) and BOS Herrity, Bulova and Cook – to follow up on meetings last summer when they requested that we keep them informed. Paul L will help me schedule those in July.
Thanks, Erik
--------------------------------
Leslie's email:
Hey everyone…I hope you’re having a good summer so far (hope Bermuda, Myrtle Beach, Cape Cod and other beaches were/are fun!!). I’m asking for your help with getting WSHS renovated as soon as possible!!!!
We REALLY need to SEND the SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS as many emails as possible regarding the WSHS RENOVATION. As some of you know, many people spoke to the School Board last night about renovating Clifton Elementary. Without mentioning Clifton at all, we need to be vocal about WSHS once again, and remind the SB that we are still waiting for a much needed, much anticipated renovation.
I am attaching a sample text that you can use directly, or if you’d like to amend/change it, that would work also. I’m sure Erik will be sending something as well. In order for the message to go to all of the members, please use schoolboardmembers@fcps.edu. PLEASE PLEASE let’s keep WSHS in the forefront … there is a possibility that we can move to be on the bond in 2011….that is next year!!!! So please send this to
your neighbors, friends, relatives, and anyone else, and have them send it to the school board. Let’s get WSHS renovated ASAP!! The vote is on July 8, so the sooner, the better.
Thanks, Leslie
________________________________________________________________________
_____________________________________________________________________
Dear Fairfax County School Board Members (schoolboardmembers@fcps.edu.)
This letter is to remind you that WEST SPRINGFIELD HIGH SCHOOL is
in desperate need of renovation. I encourage you to please take the most fiscally responsible action and use the scarce capital funds available to renovate WSHS and other LEGACY high schools that are in dire need of renovation as soon as possible. As you are aware, WSHS is already over capacity and is projected to be over capacity by several
hundred more students in three to four years. WSHS, its facilities and amenities are outdated, in disrepair and are inadequate—they do not meet current educational specifications, especially in science, technology and music. The school is used by thousands of students, community members and the county on a 24-7 basis. As a community-use school, WSHS serves so many people -- funding this renovation is a sound and responsible financial move.
As the current economic state continues to positively impact the CIP, causing project bids to come in under budget projections, I hope you will take the steps that result in the most significant cost savings and the most prudent use of money for FCPS students. We appreciate your careful and sensible consideration of all renovation proposals. Thank
you –
----- Original Message -----
From: Hawkins, Erik
To: Erik & Mary Hawkins ; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) ; Wardinski, Paul A. ; Leslie Carlin ; Christine Morin ; Lorey Goerlinger ; Lynn Smith ; Monique Craft
; Nancy Knickerbocker ; Paul Liberty ; Rob Robertory ; Chadwell, Laura G
Cc: Christian Deschauer ; Cain, Debora L.
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:53 AM
Subject: REMINDER: SOAR Leadership Conf Call Today @ 3PM
Team, FYI
Just a quick reminder that we've teed up a conference call for today @ 3PM for whoever is available to discuss a SOAR advocacy strategy in advance of the July CIP happenings - decisions on the Southwestern Study, Staff readout of a CIP update, etc.
Conference Call Details:
Dial In: 866-746-9442 Then enter passcode: 599-2311# You will then probably hear a message: "The leader passcode has already been entered. You will be joined as a participant."
I'd like to discuss the attached doc and Liz has also suggested the following (email below). I only have an hour and need to be done by 4PM.
Thanks, Erik
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'em.hawkins@verizon.net'
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: SOAR Leadership - WSHS - Conf Call Wed 6/23 @ 3PM?
Eric
It would be helpful if SOAR drafted a letter requesting the Board make prudently fiscal decisions when considering renovatoion needs. You don't have to mention a specific school, just positively refer to wise renovation based decisions which will have impacts on
future projects. This will tell members: #1. SOAR remains intouch with the current issues and #2 SOAR continues to seek earlier bonding for WSHS.
Liz
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SayWHAT?!
()
Date: October 23, 2010 12:20AM
Liz:
How is that "to do list" coming?
Dave - what gives?
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How is that "to do list" coming?
Dave - what gives?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
boundary screwed
()
Date: October 23, 2010 12:29AM
And so we begin the screwing of the rest of fairfax county -
The 'got screwed by fcps' club is accepting new membership
Option A MOVES 28 boundaries!
Option B MOVES 26 boundaries!
Option C MOVES 18 boundaries!
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/index.htm
The 'got screwed by fcps' club is accepting new membership
Option A MOVES 28 boundaries!
Option B MOVES 26 boundaries!
Option C MOVES 18 boundaries!
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/index.htm
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
confused
()
Date: October 23, 2010 01:22AM
how are we supposed to figure this out on such short notice? email came with information at 10:16 pm friday
what is the point of a study if it is just a multiple choice answer?
is this american idol or survivor and we are just voting off communities that have been together?
this is very confusing since don't seem to understand where the engaging of the community is in this plan.
is there something else that will take place?
Attachments:
what is the point of a study if it is just a multiple choice answer?
is this american idol or survivor and we are just voting off communities that have been together?
this is very confusing since don't seem to understand where the engaging of the community is in this plan.
is there something else that will take place?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
UH Duh
()
Date: October 23, 2010 10:08AM
Of course high schools and middle schools will be considered. Where do they expect the kids to go when they finish 6th grade?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Interesting stuff
()
Date: October 23, 2010 10:37AM
Very interesting and disturbing stuff all around. I am an admitted novice in the realm of FOIA and am surprised that this much info is available. How does it work, can a group simply ask to see all of someone's e-mails? Or are certain keywords (boundary study, Clifton, etc) pulled out and only those e-mails are released?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Speculator
()
Date: October 23, 2010 10:55AM
I believe the basic notion is that people have a right to understand how government decisions are made. When people use their fcps.edu e-mail addresses, there is a presumption that they are using them for official business.
There is also a concept of "open government" - members of the public should be allowed to attend meetings to see how official decisions are made. So, if a majority of School Board members are communicating with each other at the same time, the public should be able to observe that. On the other hand, it's not considered to raise an "open government" issue if a School Board member has a one-on-one discussion with another School Board member or member of FCPS staff.
These distinctions all get blurred, however, when people communicate by e-mail. So the closed meeting on 10/21 may have been to get legal advice as to whether the FOIA'd e-mails suggest open government laws have been violated. Alternatively, since the e-mails are so embarassing, they may be getting legal advice on FOIA itself, since many of the School Board members clearly didn't realize that what they were writing might have to be disclosed in response to a FOIA request.
Personally, I don't have any problem with the idea that School Board members can communicate with each other, or with staff, by e-mail about significant issues. I just want to make sure they are doing so in order to make sound decisions, rather than to further the career of a political hack like Liz Bradsher at the expense of kids.
There is also a concept of "open government" - members of the public should be allowed to attend meetings to see how official decisions are made. So, if a majority of School Board members are communicating with each other at the same time, the public should be able to observe that. On the other hand, it's not considered to raise an "open government" issue if a School Board member has a one-on-one discussion with another School Board member or member of FCPS staff.
These distinctions all get blurred, however, when people communicate by e-mail. So the closed meeting on 10/21 may have been to get legal advice as to whether the FOIA'd e-mails suggest open government laws have been violated. Alternatively, since the e-mails are so embarassing, they may be getting legal advice on FOIA itself, since many of the School Board members clearly didn't realize that what they were writing might have to be disclosed in response to a FOIA request.
Personally, I don't have any problem with the idea that School Board members can communicate with each other, or with staff, by e-mail about significant issues. I just want to make sure they are doing so in order to make sound decisions, rather than to further the career of a political hack like Liz Bradsher at the expense of kids.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
We the people
()
Date: October 23, 2010 12:02PM
You are able to read the emails and working documents of any public body.
Good grief folks - no wonder we are backsliding in liberty.
In the very seat of the country's govt & home of founding fathers - it is WE THE PEOPLE.
Think 'John Stossel' - this is YOUR $$$$$$!!
I am very interested to see these - and we better pay attention since we are next for study (shouldn't it just be called Decision?)
PS - I know a person who submitted one of these requests - no skin in game re CES vote - unless you call living in Fairfax County and paying taxes 'skin in the game' [hint: ck out that constitution-y thing]
Good grief folks - no wonder we are backsliding in liberty.
In the very seat of the country's govt & home of founding fathers - it is WE THE PEOPLE.
Think 'John Stossel' - this is YOUR $$$$$$!!
I am very interested to see these - and we better pay attention since we are next for study (shouldn't it just be called Decision?)
PS - I know a person who submitted one of these requests - no skin in game re CES vote - unless you call living in Fairfax County and paying taxes 'skin in the game' [hint: ck out that constitution-y thing]
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Pants on Fire
()
Date: October 23, 2010 04:10PM
cheaters never prosper
now, say you're sorry
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now, say you're sorry
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Figure This!
()
Date: October 23, 2010 04:15PM
Has Tistadt READ the Educational Specifications of FCPS?
"It seems it was the thing to do for a period of time. ... We have tried to move away from mega-schools," said Dean Tistadt, chief operating officer of the Fairfax school system.
Tistadt said he had even heard Fairfax's former superintendent from that era express regret about overseeing the construction of the school district's mega-schools.
http://connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=345271&paper=72&cat=104
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"It seems it was the thing to do for a period of time. ... We have tried to move away from mega-schools," said Dean Tistadt, chief operating officer of the Fairfax school system.
Tistadt said he had even heard Fairfax's former superintendent from that era express regret about overseeing the construction of the school district's mega-schools.
http://connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=345271&paper=72&cat=104
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Conflict of Interest Anyone?
()
Date: October 23, 2010 04:33PM
More conflict, more set up, more fix is in (feel sorry for Annandale), more Board Behavin' Badly.
FPAC is a complete sham(e).
Anything they suggest is now suspect and tainted.
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FPAC is a complete sham(e).
Anything they suggest is now suspect and tainted.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
BHP
()
Date: October 23, 2010 09:26PM
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: October 23, 2010 10:09PM
One up you Wrote:
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> not sure why we have two threads -
Because you stupid anon posters are too idiotic to keep your unintelligible spam all in one thread!
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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
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> not sure why we have two threads -
Because you stupid anon posters are too idiotic to keep your unintelligible spam all in one thread!
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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Studies by Liz
()
Date: October 24, 2010 01:59AM
"Boundary Study Land"- a fairy tale for parents by Liz Bradsher
(FCPS Publishing Company, 2010 reprinteed - over and over again.
It's all unicorns and happily ever after!
http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/sIeAlhUuPSXxS0Pb
(FCPS Publishing Company, 2010 reprinteed - over and over again.
It's all unicorns and happily ever after!
http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/sIeAlhUuPSXxS0Pb
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
UnBramaged
()
Date: October 24, 2010 02:09AM
OK - Cary, merge the thread -
There is so much crap on here generated by the
National Honor Society, FCPS Chapter
that it would be great to get all together.
Guess parents and teachers have been so awestruck
by the misdeeds of board and staff, couldn't
see the forest for the trees.
Sound familiar? Spam? hardly. More like scandal.
And Jack came tumbling down...
There is so much crap on here generated by the
National Honor Society, FCPS Chapter
that it would be great to get all together.
Guess parents and teachers have been so awestruck
by the misdeeds of board and staff, couldn't
see the forest for the trees.
Sound familiar? Spam? hardly. More like scandal.
And Jack came tumbling down...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The Fix Was In
()
Date: October 24, 2010 02:40AM
Don't know what to say.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TooCozy
()
Date: October 24, 2010 10:00AM
This is getting weirder by the day. WHO pays Rob Robertory?!
According to the State Board of Elections, Rob Robertory was a financial contributor to Liz Bradsher's campaign for her current office!
What the hell is going on around there?
According to the State Board of Elections, Rob Robertory was a financial contributor to Liz Bradsher's campaign for her current office!
What the hell is going on around there?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Speculator
()
Date: October 24, 2010 10:34AM
TooCozy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is getting weirder by the day. WHO pays Rob
> Robertory?!
>
> According to the State Board of Elections, Rob
> Robertory was a financial contributor to Liz
> Bradsher's campaign for her current office!
>
> What the hell is going on around there?
Particularly since Rob Robertory isn't even in the WSHS district - he lives in a part of Fairfax Station zoned for Silverbrook ES and South County SS.
I'm thinking the prisoners probably made better neighbors for those in Clifton than this bunch of creeps who moved into the South County area and have ever since been totally corrupt.
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is getting weirder by the day. WHO pays Rob
> Robertory?!
>
> According to the State Board of Elections, Rob
> Robertory was a financial contributor to Liz
> Bradsher's campaign for her current office!
>
> What the hell is going on around there?
Particularly since Rob Robertory isn't even in the WSHS district - he lives in a part of Fairfax Station zoned for Silverbrook ES and South County SS.
I'm thinking the prisoners probably made better neighbors for those in Clifton than this bunch of creeps who moved into the South County area and have ever since been totally corrupt.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
GO AWAY LIZ!
()
Date: October 24, 2010 11:05AM
If this isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is. Liz Bradsher accusing someone else of being misleading, dishonest and encouraging false public perception. That's rich!
And yes Liz, our students and taxpayers do deserve decisions based upon thoughtful review - not back room deals to advance YOUR POLITICAL CAREER!
BTW, how's that working out for you? Not so well? Awww, what a shame.
Word on the street is that you want to switch parties and become a Dem to run against Herrity for BOS next year. You do realize don't you that it's not like changing your hair color?
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2343
"Inaccurate op-ed pieces similar to Otersen's serve little -- if any -- benefit to the reader; they are misleading and dishonest, and encourage false public perception. Facts matter, and our students and taxpayers deserve decisions based upon thoughtful review -- not baseless accusations."
Elizabeth T. Bradsher, Fairfax
County School Board, Springfield District
And yes Liz, our students and taxpayers do deserve decisions based upon thoughtful review - not back room deals to advance YOUR POLITICAL CAREER!
BTW, how's that working out for you? Not so well? Awww, what a shame.
Word on the street is that you want to switch parties and become a Dem to run against Herrity for BOS next year. You do realize don't you that it's not like changing your hair color?
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2343
"Inaccurate op-ed pieces similar to Otersen's serve little -- if any -- benefit to the reader; they are misleading and dishonest, and encourage false public perception. Facts matter, and our students and taxpayers deserve decisions based upon thoughtful review -- not baseless accusations."
Elizabeth T. Bradsher, Fairfax
County School Board, Springfield District
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Remedial Ed for Liz
()
Date: October 24, 2010 11:29AM
"Inaccurate op-ed pieces similar to Otersen's serve little -- if any -- benefit to the reader; they are misleading and dishonest, and encourage false public perception. Facts matter, and our students and taxpayers deserve decisions based upon thoughtful review -- not baseless accusations."
Here is yet another example of Liz Bradsher's garbled prose. Inaccurate op-ed pieces may serve little purpose, or provide little benefit, but no one with any command of the English language would claim they "serve little * * * benefit."
She also accuses the letter writer of lying, but does not seriously rebut the damning chain of e-mails that demonstrate what a hack she is. Perhaps "facts matter" after all. Is it too much to expect an elected School Board official to know how to write a simple letter in her native tongue? Do we ask too much to expect her to make her decisions based on the best available information rather than her political goals?
Here is yet another example of Liz Bradsher's garbled prose. Inaccurate op-ed pieces may serve little purpose, or provide little benefit, but no one with any command of the English language would claim they "serve little * * * benefit."
She also accuses the letter writer of lying, but does not seriously rebut the damning chain of e-mails that demonstrate what a hack she is. Perhaps "facts matter" after all. Is it too much to expect an elected School Board official to know how to write a simple letter in her native tongue? Do we ask too much to expect her to make her decisions based on the best available information rather than her political goals?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SayWHAT?!
()
Date: October 24, 2010 11:49AM
Beware the Liz Troll
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Even Better!
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Date: October 24, 2010 12:04PM
heard the rumor - unreal to actually see it: WOW!
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
having fun
()
Date: October 24, 2010 02:47PM
Herrity is one of the only politicians who can think straight and who is "grounded". Liz is living on her own planet.
She might have a "change in hell" actually---but not sure where else she'll have a change. I love her mistakes.
She might have a "change in hell" actually---but not sure where else she'll have a change. I love her mistakes.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
She's BAACCKK!
()
Date: October 24, 2010 04:50PM
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Ohmy
()
Date: October 24, 2010 06:33PM
These email conversations confirm what I suspected. Some of these so-called supporters of education are self-serving, myopic and repugnant. Liz Bradsher is simply using the position to launch herself into a bigger political arena. Do people like this ever see anything beyond their own ambition?
It's really disgusting.
It's really disgusting.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MoreQuestions
()
Date: October 24, 2010 08:01PM
Wait a minute! That letter above to the Larsen Family -- Is that Bob Larsen?
Bob Larsen represented Sangster on the Southwestern Regional Planning Committee and was hell bent to close Clifton and people were questioning why. Is that just another friend of hers! Did she know that guy before and just asked him to be on the Committee to represent her ideas?
Bob Larsen represented Sangster on the Southwestern Regional Planning Committee and was hell bent to close Clifton and people were questioning why. Is that just another friend of hers! Did she know that guy before and just asked him to be on the Committee to represent her ideas?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LB BITES
()
Date: October 24, 2010 11:33PM
Popcorn and barf bag time kiddos!
YIPPEE!!! FCPS REPRESENTS ME!!! LET'S HEAR IT FOR TRANPAREN-CY!!!
I'm a fiscal conservative! I'm a fiscal conservative!
It's best for all the students of FCPS - all the students - all of them. Really. I mean it. For real. Really real. Pinky promise. No take backs.
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YIPPEE!!! FCPS REPRESENTS ME!!! LET'S HEAR IT FOR TRANPAREN-CY!!!
I'm a fiscal conservative! I'm a fiscal conservative!
It's best for all the students of FCPS - all the students - all of them. Really. I mean it. For real. Really real. Pinky promise. No take backs.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FCPS gone mad?
()
Date: October 25, 2010 12:19AM
we were told they weren't making a decision in advance and that they were going to listen.
we were betrayed. they lied to us. all they were doing was counting votes and pushing for closure. we wasted almost a year! nothing mattered except what they wanted. we believed them and tried not to be judgemental or negative.
instead, we got burned by them and now that we find out in their own words, we have to start all over again with fake-y meetings tomorrow saying they are going to be open to our input?
this is criminal.
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we were betrayed. they lied to us. all they were doing was counting votes and pushing for closure. we wasted almost a year! nothing mattered except what they wanted. we believed them and tried not to be judgemental or negative.
instead, we got burned by them and now that we find out in their own words, we have to start all over again with fake-y meetings tomorrow saying they are going to be open to our input?
this is criminal.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Just the Facts
()
Date: October 25, 2010 02:36AM
the rumors flew but it was just people talking. this is in school board and the fcps staff's own words.
ok maybe about how they 'felt' but thought this was about clifton
it isn't with those options out on boundary changes. nothing makes any sense - nothing is fixed and it just seems to create chaos for thousands of children to what end?
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ok maybe about how they 'felt' but thought this was about clifton
it isn't with those options out on boundary changes. nothing makes any sense - nothing is fixed and it just seems to create chaos for thousands of children to what end?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
2faced
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Date: October 25, 2010 06:52AM
gatehouse staff and fellow board pattern of indiscretion, questionable ethics and more
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Any Doubt?
()
Date: October 25, 2010 08:54AM
Boundary Study is a sham(e)
FPAC is a sham(e)
Community Engagement is a sham(e)
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FPAC is a sham(e)
Community Engagement is a sham(e)
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I am speechless
()
Date: October 25, 2010 10:48AM
I thank my lucky stars that I don't live in the Springfield district.
Liz Bradsher says she advocated for community schools-now she doesn't. I guess only if they are in her neighborhood.
Liz Bradsher ignores special interest groups saying they are self-serving, but was a leader in South County HS group, strong supporter of the middle school solution group and now SOAR! I guess she means special interest groups that she disagrees with.
Liz Bradsher claims to be a fiscal conservative yet builds a middle school for $55 million that we don't need and votes to build Gatehouse II for the administrators
What happened to this public-private partnership money that was supposed to PAY FOR your high school and middle school? Why are there bonds outstanding for these schools if the private market paid for it? I guess you like the public confused.
Her even considering running for Herrity's seat is a JOKE. She is conniving, selfish and a liar.
Let's hope this is the last we hear about this awful woman.
Liz Bradsher says she advocated for community schools-now she doesn't. I guess only if they are in her neighborhood.
Liz Bradsher ignores special interest groups saying they are self-serving, but was a leader in South County HS group, strong supporter of the middle school solution group and now SOAR! I guess she means special interest groups that she disagrees with.
Liz Bradsher claims to be a fiscal conservative yet builds a middle school for $55 million that we don't need and votes to build Gatehouse II for the administrators
What happened to this public-private partnership money that was supposed to PAY FOR your high school and middle school? Why are there bonds outstanding for these schools if the private market paid for it? I guess you like the public confused.
Her even considering running for Herrity's seat is a JOKE. She is conniving, selfish and a liar.
Let's hope this is the last we hear about this awful woman.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Speculator
()
Date: October 25, 2010 11:36AM
I am speechless Wrote:
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> I thank my lucky stars that I don't live in the
> Springfield district.
>
> Liz Bradsher says she advocated for community
> schools-now she doesn't. I guess only if they are
> in her neighborhood.
>
> Liz Bradsher ignores special interest groups
> saying they are self-serving, but was a leader in
> South County HS group, strong supporter of the
> middle school solution group and now SOAR! I guess
> she means special interest groups that she
> disagrees with.
>
> Liz Bradsher claims to be a fiscal conservative
> yet builds a middle school for $55 million that we
> don't need and votes to build Gatehouse II for the
> administrators
>
> What happened to this public-private partnership
> money that was supposed to PAY FOR your high
> school and middle school? Why are there bonds
> outstanding for these schools if the private
> market paid for it? I guess you like the public
> confused.
>
> Her even considering running for Herrity's seat is
> a JOKE. She is conniving, selfish and a liar.
>
> Let's hope this is the last we hear about this
> awful woman.
Unfortunately, if you're in the Sully district, you'll bear the brunt of the back-room deals that Liz has made with Kathy Smith.
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> I thank my lucky stars that I don't live in the
> Springfield district.
>
> Liz Bradsher says she advocated for community
> schools-now she doesn't. I guess only if they are
> in her neighborhood.
>
> Liz Bradsher ignores special interest groups
> saying they are self-serving, but was a leader in
> South County HS group, strong supporter of the
> middle school solution group and now SOAR! I guess
> she means special interest groups that she
> disagrees with.
>
> Liz Bradsher claims to be a fiscal conservative
> yet builds a middle school for $55 million that we
> don't need and votes to build Gatehouse II for the
> administrators
>
> What happened to this public-private partnership
> money that was supposed to PAY FOR your high
> school and middle school? Why are there bonds
> outstanding for these schools if the private
> market paid for it? I guess you like the public
> confused.
>
> Her even considering running for Herrity's seat is
> a JOKE. She is conniving, selfish and a liar.
>
> Let's hope this is the last we hear about this
> awful woman.
Unfortunately, if you're in the Sully district, you'll bear the brunt of the back-room deals that Liz has made with Kathy Smith.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
unbelievable
()
Date: October 25, 2010 01:09PM
CRAZY!!!!!1
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Another PO'd Parent
()
Date: October 25, 2010 01:29PM
Now this 'representative' is meddling in OUR planning study??
ENOUGH. TELL BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BOARD OF EDUCATION, GOVERNOR - IT DOESN'T MATTER. THESE PEOPLE ARE SCREWING WITH OUR FUTURE AND OUR KIDS' FUTURE.
THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE.
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ENOUGH. TELL BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BOARD OF EDUCATION, GOVERNOR - IT DOESN'T MATTER. THESE PEOPLE ARE SCREWING WITH OUR FUTURE AND OUR KIDS' FUTURE.
THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Speculator
()
Date: October 25, 2010 02:31PM
What a laugh. Seems pretty clear that Mr. Aftergut is sucking up to Liz and Tessie because he has a personal agenda for the Annandale study.
Imagine being so servile that you suck up to Liz and Tessie. Just the thought is pathetic and revolting.
Imagine being so servile that you suck up to Liz and Tessie. Just the thought is pathetic and revolting.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Who is this man?
()
Date: October 25, 2010 02:32PM
Who the bleepity bleep is this Jeff Aftergut person and why is he running our school district?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
wait for it....
()
Date: October 25, 2010 02:35PM
...you'll answer your own question in 3-2-1...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
School Board minutes
()
Date: October 25, 2010 02:47PM
The plot thickens-
When I google this guy I get comments from a March 19th SB meeting where he spoke:
"They're expediting it and not giving any options. It seems to me they're letting the community decide who gets moved and who doesn't".
This is about the Annandle/Lake Braddock redistrict PART ONE.
When I google this guy I get comments from a March 19th SB meeting where he spoke:
"They're expediting it and not giving any options. It seems to me they're letting the community decide who gets moved and who doesn't".
This is about the Annandle/Lake Braddock redistrict PART ONE.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MommyLion
()
Date: October 25, 2010 05:36PM
WHY WHY WHY is FCPS subjecting nearly 18,000 kids to a boundary change process for overcrowding at a handful of schools?
The devastation to communities begins.
FCPS gets an F in planning.
FCPS gets an F in community engagement.
FCPS gets an F in transparency.
FCPS gets an F in ethics.
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The devastation to communities begins.
FCPS gets an F in planning.
FCPS gets an F in community engagement.
FCPS gets an F in transparency.
FCPS gets an F in ethics.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: October 25, 2010 09:19PM
wait for it.... Wrote:
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> ...you'll answer your own question in 3-2-1...
+1
This thread is one or maybe two posters using a bunch of alternate names.
Hence all the unregistered users reposting emails here that mean pretty much nothing.
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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
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> ...you'll answer your own question in 3-2-1...
+1
This thread is one or maybe two posters using a bunch of alternate names.
Hence all the unregistered users reposting emails here that mean pretty much nothing.
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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
readers count
()
Date: October 25, 2010 10:24PM
It's not so much the number of posters as the number of readers. I am a reader---as are lots of people I talk to. Of course I am posting that fact now.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Lizd
()
Date: October 26, 2010 07:29AM
All this discussion is too little too late....
where was all this angst when our little school in Clifton was being voted to be close?!?! So long as it didn't affect "your" school then who cares, right? Why didn't any of you stopped to think for one moment that it would be only one ES school to be shut down and that it WOULD NOT affect any other school...seriously? Are you all that arrogant? Or is it the perception that only rich kids went to Clifton...yeah right...so now we have 28 schools that are going to be affected by this SW Boundary Study/Change and now all of sudden everyone other than the Clifton parents are up-in-arms?!!! Really? So now, does that make all those parents "rich" parents, too?
Wake up....we all got screwed when they voted to shut down Clifton...remember that when the school board is up for re-election...
where was all this angst when our little school in Clifton was being voted to be close?!?! So long as it didn't affect "your" school then who cares, right? Why didn't any of you stopped to think for one moment that it would be only one ES school to be shut down and that it WOULD NOT affect any other school...seriously? Are you all that arrogant? Or is it the perception that only rich kids went to Clifton...yeah right...so now we have 28 schools that are going to be affected by this SW Boundary Study/Change and now all of sudden everyone other than the Clifton parents are up-in-arms?!!! Really? So now, does that make all those parents "rich" parents, too?
Wake up....we all got screwed when they voted to shut down Clifton...remember that when the school board is up for re-election...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
slubdawg
()
Date: October 26, 2010 09:29AM
Lizd Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> All this discussion is too little too late....
>
> where was all this angst when our little school in
> Clifton was being voted to be close?!?! So long
> as it didn't affect "your" school then who cares,
> right? Why didn't any of you stopped to think for
> one moment that it would be only one ES school to
> be shut down and that it WOULD NOT affect any
> other school...seriously? Are you all that
> arrogant? Or is it the perception that only rich
> kids went to Clifton...yeah right...so now we have
> 28 schools that are going to be affected by this
> SW Boundary Study/Change and now all of sudden
> everyone other than the Clifton parents are
> up-in-arms?!!! Really? So now, does that make all
> those parents "rich" parents, too?
>
> Wake up....we all got screwed when they voted to
> shut down Clifton...remember that when the school
> board is up for re-election...
I do agree with you to a point. But, I think that the real issue is that it didn't matter what the angst might have been or what the community might have voted. The decision was made well ahead of any public forums or debates or meetings or anything else.
I don't really know if the decision to close Clifton Elem and renovating West Springfield was wrong, it might have been the best use of the funds, I just don't know. The thing that really bothers me is the chicanery and mendacity of the School Board and FCPS Admin, to include the local school adminstrators. It is simply unacceptable.
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> All this discussion is too little too late....
>
> where was all this angst when our little school in
> Clifton was being voted to be close?!?! So long
> as it didn't affect "your" school then who cares,
> right? Why didn't any of you stopped to think for
> one moment that it would be only one ES school to
> be shut down and that it WOULD NOT affect any
> other school...seriously? Are you all that
> arrogant? Or is it the perception that only rich
> kids went to Clifton...yeah right...so now we have
> 28 schools that are going to be affected by this
> SW Boundary Study/Change and now all of sudden
> everyone other than the Clifton parents are
> up-in-arms?!!! Really? So now, does that make all
> those parents "rich" parents, too?
>
> Wake up....we all got screwed when they voted to
> shut down Clifton...remember that when the school
> board is up for re-election...
I do agree with you to a point. But, I think that the real issue is that it didn't matter what the angst might have been or what the community might have voted. The decision was made well ahead of any public forums or debates or meetings or anything else.
I don't really know if the decision to close Clifton Elem and renovating West Springfield was wrong, it might have been the best use of the funds, I just don't know. The thing that really bothers me is the chicanery and mendacity of the School Board and FCPS Admin, to include the local school adminstrators. It is simply unacceptable.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MollyCorbin
()
Date: October 26, 2010 11:04AM
Went to boundary meeting last night - how amusing!
FCPS asked us to pick a choice from Option A, B or C.
Pick based on?
We weren't provided any information - just a map. It didn't say how many students would be moved, what anything cost, what programs were affected - nothing.
Parents asked questions about bell schedules, bus routes and class sizes. A bus driver was sent to answer some questions - I am not kidding! Facilities couldn't answer any questions the groups asked and not even the school board rep.
A bunch of groups didn't even answer the questions. Too absurd!
I laughed all the way home.
FCPS asked us to pick a choice from Option A, B or C.
Pick based on?
We weren't provided any information - just a map. It didn't say how many students would be moved, what anything cost, what programs were affected - nothing.
Parents asked questions about bell schedules, bus routes and class sizes. A bus driver was sent to answer some questions - I am not kidding! Facilities couldn't answer any questions the groups asked and not even the school board rep.
A bunch of groups didn't even answer the questions. Too absurd!
I laughed all the way home.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Redistricted
()
Date: October 26, 2010 03:02PM
Everyone - vote Option D - back to the drawing board. Keep Clifton open at least until 2015 when the safety check is due. Why next year for goodness sake!??!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Any Doubt?
()
Date: October 26, 2010 03:03PM
Clear Bradsher learned at the feet of the master...
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Woodson Supporter
()
Date: October 26, 2010 05:43PM
went to see how this is going down, since we're next. am aghast at process.
fcps has no interest in really knowing what we think. the options were useless in terms of fixing the supposed problem.
worst of all, there weren't answers to the most basic questions.
liz b. came by - looked distant and irritated. why did she bother? she didn't engage a single person!
dread what's coming to our 'backyard'
fcps has no interest in really knowing what we think. the options were useless in terms of fixing the supposed problem.
worst of all, there weren't answers to the most basic questions.
liz b. came by - looked distant and irritated. why did she bother? she didn't engage a single person!
dread what's coming to our 'backyard'
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Say NO to SW Boundary Study
()
Date: October 27, 2010 08:18AM
Another PO'd Parent:
Can you please provide an unedited copy of that email?
Can you please provide an unedited copy of that email?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
it gets worse!
()
Date: October 27, 2010 08:47AM
Say NO to SW Boundary Study Wrote:
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> Another PO'd Parent:
>
> Can you please provide an unedited copy of that
> email?
There are SEVERAL more of these emails (none have been edited) on Save Clifton website. I don't remember if this specific email is included in those on the site, but they're definitely worth reading.
www.savecliftonelementary.org
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> Another PO'd Parent:
>
> Can you please provide an unedited copy of that
> email?
There are SEVERAL more of these emails (none have been edited) on Save Clifton website. I don't remember if this specific email is included in those on the site, but they're definitely worth reading.
www.savecliftonelementary.org
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FCPS gone mad?
()
Date: October 28, 2010 12:53AM
ugh.
really?
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really?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: October 28, 2010 01:18AM
FCPS gone mad? Wrote:
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> ugh.
> really?
Mrs. Bradsher disengaged from the Clifton community on her own. She was not push ed away and some continued to meet with her just days before the vote. All the while from the FOIA'd email trails she was directing SOAR to push on Board members. Her email note referenced is inaccurate. In August of 2009 the main issues were cost and water. "Get the costs down to under $10 million and you will be good." "Find a solution to the well and you will be good.". That is exactly what her counsel was in 2009. The community got there on both counts and still the school will be closed. The estimated enrollment figures from the start of the study to the closure vote dropped by nearly 100 students. That would mean over 25% drop in the enrollment at Clifton which has NEVER happened in the history of the school.
Mrs. Bradsher came into the discussions with a preconceived notion about Clifton as can also be seen in other emails. As an individual who fought so hard to get her children out of the slum she perceived Hayfield Secondary to be so her precious ones could thrive in a sparkling new (and highly overcrowded) South County with the rest of their arrogant Crosspointe and faux Fairfax Station friends, she may wish to rethink who is the "all about me crowd".
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> ugh.
> really?
Mrs. Bradsher disengaged from the Clifton community on her own. She was not push ed away and some continued to meet with her just days before the vote. All the while from the FOIA'd email trails she was directing SOAR to push on Board members. Her email note referenced is inaccurate. In August of 2009 the main issues were cost and water. "Get the costs down to under $10 million and you will be good." "Find a solution to the well and you will be good.". That is exactly what her counsel was in 2009. The community got there on both counts and still the school will be closed. The estimated enrollment figures from the start of the study to the closure vote dropped by nearly 100 students. That would mean over 25% drop in the enrollment at Clifton which has NEVER happened in the history of the school.
Mrs. Bradsher came into the discussions with a preconceived notion about Clifton as can also be seen in other emails. As an individual who fought so hard to get her children out of the slum she perceived Hayfield Secondary to be so her precious ones could thrive in a sparkling new (and highly overcrowded) South County with the rest of their arrogant Crosspointe and faux Fairfax Station friends, she may wish to rethink who is the "all about me crowd".
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Another PO'd Parent
()
Date: October 28, 2010 05:50AM
Say No...What you are looking for?
Don't have much - but this is both good & bad.
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Don't have much - but this is both good & bad.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Fletch
()
Date: October 28, 2010 06:04AM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> >
>
> Mrs. Bradsher disengaged from the Clifton
> community on her own. She was not push ed away and
> some continued to meet with her just days before
> the vote. All the while from the FOIA'd email
> trails she was directing SOAR to push on Board
> members. Her email note referenced is inaccurate.
> In August of 2009 the main issues were cost and
> water. "Get the costs down to under $10 million
> and you will be good." "Find a solution to the
> well and you will be good.". That is exactly what
> her counsel was in 2009. The community got there
> on both counts and still the school will be
> closed. The estimated enrollment figures from the
> start of the study to the closure vote dropped by
> nearly 100 students. That would mean over 25% drop
> in the enrollment at Clifton which has NEVER
> happened in the history of the school.
>
> Mrs. Bradsher came into the discussions with a
> preconceived notion about Clifton as can also be
> seen in other emails. As an individual who fought
> so hard to get her children out of the slum she
> perceived Hayfield Secondary to be so her precious
> ones could thrive in a sparkling new (and highly
> overcrowded) South County with the rest of their
> arrogant Crosspointe and faux Fairfax Station
> friends, she may wish to rethink who is the "all
> about me crowd".
This sums it up. And the email from Jeff Aftergut to Tessie Wilson in the post above is disturbing. FCPS School Board apparently makes any and all decisions they wish to make.
Who IS Jeff Aftergut??
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> >
>
> Mrs. Bradsher disengaged from the Clifton
> community on her own. She was not push ed away and
> some continued to meet with her just days before
> the vote. All the while from the FOIA'd email
> trails she was directing SOAR to push on Board
> members. Her email note referenced is inaccurate.
> In August of 2009 the main issues were cost and
> water. "Get the costs down to under $10 million
> and you will be good." "Find a solution to the
> well and you will be good.". That is exactly what
> her counsel was in 2009. The community got there
> on both counts and still the school will be
> closed. The estimated enrollment figures from the
> start of the study to the closure vote dropped by
> nearly 100 students. That would mean over 25% drop
> in the enrollment at Clifton which has NEVER
> happened in the history of the school.
>
> Mrs. Bradsher came into the discussions with a
> preconceived notion about Clifton as can also be
> seen in other emails. As an individual who fought
> so hard to get her children out of the slum she
> perceived Hayfield Secondary to be so her precious
> ones could thrive in a sparkling new (and highly
> overcrowded) South County with the rest of their
> arrogant Crosspointe and faux Fairfax Station
> friends, she may wish to rethink who is the "all
> about me crowd".
This sums it up. And the email from Jeff Aftergut to Tessie Wilson in the post above is disturbing. FCPS School Board apparently makes any and all decisions they wish to make.
Who IS Jeff Aftergut??
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not NotLarry
()
Date: October 28, 2010 07:41AM
OK - made my day!
http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2010/10/when-did-she-become-the-south-county-witch.html
http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2010/10/when-did-she-become-the-south-county-witch.html
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MommyLion
()
Date: October 28, 2010 07:53AM
Very interesting Liz defines this as "hate mail".
Looks more like a promissory note.
"Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."
Sir Winston Churchill, 1941
Attachments:
Looks more like a promissory note.
"Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."
Sir Winston Churchill, 1941
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sangster PTA
()
Date: October 28, 2010 11:10AM
Morequestions; Bob Larsen did represent Sangster. He was apointed by the then PTA president. He angered Sangster families with his forceful recommendations to the SWRP committee, none of which were supported by Sangster families. He was ultimately told to shut it by the principal and the PTA president.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
GMU Hokie
()
Date: October 28, 2010 11:45AM
Who pays Rob Robertory?
Click on the link below to find out.
http://www.robrobertory.com/Professional.htm
Rob Robertory is rumored to be a Hokie.
I hear he is pretty sharp.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by: TooCozy ()
Date: October 24, 2010 10:00AM
This is getting weirder by the day. WHO pays Rob Robertory?!
According to the State Board of Elections, Rob Robertory was a financial contributor to Liz Bradsher's campaign for her current office!
What the hell is going on around there?
Click on the link below to find out.
http://www.robrobertory.com/Professional.htm
Rob Robertory is rumored to be a Hokie.
I hear he is pretty sharp.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by: TooCozy ()
Date: October 24, 2010 10:00AM
This is getting weirder by the day. WHO pays Rob Robertory?!
According to the State Board of Elections, Rob Robertory was a financial contributor to Liz Bradsher's campaign for her current office!
What the hell is going on around there?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
NiceTeeth
()
Date: October 28, 2010 11:52AM
Wow! Maybe Liz promised Mr. Robertory some dental work in exchange for his actions. Lookin' at that profile pic on the NW site it looks as if you could drive a train between those two front choppers on Rob.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
yupper
()
Date: October 28, 2010 12:34PM
GMU Hokie Wrote:
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>
> What the hell is going on?
Not much, except for a bunch of sock puppets posting inane comments.
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>
> What the hell is going on?
Not much, except for a bunch of sock puppets posting inane comments.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
yupper THIS
()
Date: October 28, 2010 02:32PM
so, bob can have his school a mile away but kids in a 40 mile radius just have to suck it on his say so?
who is the guy and why does he get to advise the school board horde to torpedo a school - you think the consonant soup after your name impresses?
on top of it, bob, you keep good company with the other fcps lying horde - 300 kids? really. try 366 (still - same as last year) - just 22% off, that's all.
great to see you went around your pool and lied to all your neighbors and friends about the cost to renovate clifton - $20 million? at the outside, even the fcps bloated top number was $11 million. a lying 48% bloat on top really isn't a lie - it is a big, fat, huge, ridiculous lie.
so - when you lie to everyone and tell them clifton has 22% fewer kids and the cost is 48% more, you might get push back to report up to fcps in advance of the vote to 'support' liz. all that support she quotes. so - this is representative of the 'comments' liz stands on in support of clifton's closure?
time for the rest of the school board to own up to the disgusting behavior and fix the past wrong. sound familiar?
Attachments:
who is the guy and why does he get to advise the school board horde to torpedo a school - you think the consonant soup after your name impresses?
on top of it, bob, you keep good company with the other fcps lying horde - 300 kids? really. try 366 (still - same as last year) - just 22% off, that's all.
great to see you went around your pool and lied to all your neighbors and friends about the cost to renovate clifton - $20 million? at the outside, even the fcps bloated top number was $11 million. a lying 48% bloat on top really isn't a lie - it is a big, fat, huge, ridiculous lie.
so - when you lie to everyone and tell them clifton has 22% fewer kids and the cost is 48% more, you might get push back to report up to fcps in advance of the vote to 'support' liz. all that support she quotes. so - this is representative of the 'comments' liz stands on in support of clifton's closure?
time for the rest of the school board to own up to the disgusting behavior and fix the past wrong. sound familiar?
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
for the love of Bob
()
Date: October 28, 2010 04:15PM
Those letters are enough to make anybody gag. An informal survey at Bob's pool?? Is that how he spends $65 million dollars for the Army----using informal surveys at his pool (how many people here think we should buy the new helicopter?)? And who cares how long he's been a resident of Fairfax County (like that gives him more clout or something?) and "married to a 6th grade school teacher"---WHO CARES???? Is she an expert on keeping schools open or closing them? I'm surprised he didn't mention what his mother and father do and what school he got the PhD from. PLEASE BOB---stop being so stuck on yourself and think about those kids and parents in Clifton.
But I love Boob's first line the most: "we are praying you will do what is right"---he's a pretty righteous guy in his own mind apparently.
We can all thank God that we don't have to live or work with BOB!
But I love Boob's first line the most: "we are praying you will do what is right"---he's a pretty righteous guy in his own mind apparently.
We can all thank God that we don't have to live or work with BOB!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
KK
()
Date: October 28, 2010 04:20PM
>We can all thank God that we don't have to live or work with BOB!
+1
I've lived in Fairfax County for over 60 years and I don't think that qualifies me to determine which schools need to be closed.
BOB is a pompous ass!
+1
I've lived in Fairfax County for over 60 years and I don't think that qualifies me to determine which schools need to be closed.
BOB is a pompous ass!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SCParent
()
Date: October 28, 2010 08:01PM
SCparent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> FYI,Liz Bradshers real name is the South County
> Bitch. She has been screwing groups/kids for the
> last eight years. She only cares about her kids.
Now the out of control BITCH is calling taxpayers at their homes.
Does anyone know her home phone number?
-------------------------------------------------------
> FYI,Liz Bradshers real name is the South County
> Bitch. She has been screwing groups/kids for the
> last eight years. She only cares about her kids.
Now the out of control BITCH is calling taxpayers at their homes.
Does anyone know her home phone number?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz Bradsher
()
Date: October 28, 2010 08:42PM
I am a bitch, so what.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hmmm..
()
Date: October 28, 2010 08:44PM
Bob Larsen,PhD
> Resident since 1996 in Fairfax County
> Father of a High School senior Lake Braddock, 9th grader and second
> grader; Married to a 6th grade school teacher;
> Served 4 years as Kings Park/Kings Glen PTA; one year County PTA;
> involved in South County Boundary Study and Chaired two sub groups for the
> Southwest Boundary/Clifton ES Ad Hoc Study Sep 2009-May 2010
SOOO - it says above that he was involved in the South County Boudary Study. Gee. ya think maybe he knew Liz from then, and she asked him now to get involved as the rep for Sangster so she could control input from Sangster?????
> Resident since 1996 in Fairfax County
> Father of a High School senior Lake Braddock, 9th grader and second
> grader; Married to a 6th grade school teacher;
> Served 4 years as Kings Park/Kings Glen PTA; one year County PTA;
> involved in South County Boundary Study and Chaired two sub groups for the
> Southwest Boundary/Clifton ES Ad Hoc Study Sep 2009-May 2010
SOOO - it says above that he was involved in the South County Boudary Study. Gee. ya think maybe he knew Liz from then, and she asked him now to get involved as the rep for Sangster so she could control input from Sangster?????
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SCParent
()
Date: October 28, 2010 08:49PM
Is Liz doing Bob or is Bob doing Liz?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Lizzy's $1.2m fixer upper
()
Date: October 28, 2010 09:53PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [mailto:ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
Sent: 7/5/2010 2:25:01 PM
Subject: RE: Why isn't the School Board interested in a WIN, WIN, WIN solution?
Attachments:
Hi Patty,
I can honestly say I wish I was where you are now! J Spent the weekend making plans, throwing out and
forging ahead. I did read “Blink†and the “Tipping Pointâ€â€”both good books but I am going to stick to
mysteries and fast no brainer books for the beach! I don’t have “Drive†but heard that too was good.
Regarding the well issues, we have not received back the information about the water and contamination. It
was due last week. FCPS has called every day for results and I remain hopeful we will get some info
tomorrow. The parents may be pleased with bottle watered coming into the school however that is not
appropriate, at least in my opinion. We should be able to provide drinking water at all our schools. In certain
HSs students are not allowed to bring in bottled watered because it looks an awful lot like VODKA and
students sometimes choose to toss the bottles at others. In our other ESs we do not ask students to bring in
bottled water. What I am hearing more and more is CES is like a private school and parents of students who
attend there wish it to remain so. FCPS offers a public education not private if these parents want the
specialties of a private school then they can pursue such accommodations privately. Clifton costs more to
operate than other schools of its size, in fact it costs as much to operate Clifton as a 575-600 student ES.
Finally I don’t quite buy the notion we cannot split Clifton. We are talking 2 things here:
1. Sending students from the Greater Clifton and Fairfax Station areas to closer schools like Oak View,
Fairview or Sangster or perhaps even Silverbrook
2. Sending students from the Town of Clifton and areas west of Clifton to Willow Springs, Union Mill or
perhaps a new school.
At one time the Clifton school was ONLY for the town, that changed when the county consolidated schools
in the 1930s. The school is not historic, the site is not in the town. Boundaries in and around the Clifton
area have been in flux for years. It is absurd to think an area of that size cannot be split and should not be
touched due to wealth and the reaction of “money talksâ€. We split communities and neighborhoods due to
need and have done so for years. Should Clifton be different because $$$ and politicians talk? Don’t get
me wrong I don’t like splitting schools or neighborhoods but when it can be done in a manner where it
helps parents, students are closer to schools, the system saves $, and it takes a wrong from years ago (in
terms of an absurd boundary) and correct it for the sake of community and common sense then I am OK
with it.
Something of interest you might find a bit eye opening….my husband and I were looking at homes this
week. We are thinking of moving. So we spent several hours searching Fx Station, Clifton, Burke and
West Springfield areas. There were few if any homes listed in Clifton, those we found were $1.2 and up.
Definitely not the fixer uppers we were looking for. My point is here that due to the costs of housing in
Clifton the market for buyers is small.
Enough on all this---go, enjoy, listen to old John Denver records and have fun!
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
WOW - Lizzy - what realtor is working for you? we have many qualified realtors that could have helped you out. I don't see many $1.2m fixer uppers in this list.
Received Stat ML# Address List Price BR FB HB Lvl Fpl Gar Bsmt Acres Age DOMP Adv Subdiv Style Tax Living Area
30 Sold FX7408490 12100 Beaver Creek Rd $597,500 4 3 1 4 3 0 Yes 5.208 39 11 Maple Branch Contemporary 2,066
30 2 Sold FX7282903 11005 Highridge St $599,000 4 2 1 3 1 2 Yes 0.471 32 122 Ardmore Woods Colonial 2,328
19 2 Sold FX7217954 11320 Chapel Rd $599,000 5 3 0 2 1 6 Yes 6.203 26 143 Resub Of Lts 3 4B Rambler 1,600
24 Sold FX7339106 11713 Henderson Rd $599,000 4 3 1 3 2 2 Yes 2.505 34 51 None Tudor 1,576
11 Sold FX7369703 8200 Wolf Run Shoals Rd $599,900 4 2 1 2 2 1 Yes 5 33 15 Occoquan Run Split Foyer
20 Sold FX7276443 7613 Maple Branch Rd $599,990 4 3 0 2 1 0 Yes 5.004 31 73 Williams And Conle Rambler 1,668
6 Sold FX7374346 6530 Little Ox Rd $606,900 4 2 1 3 2 2 Yes 5.165 28 21 Ardmore Woods Colonial 2,538
30 2 Sold FX7266557 6542 Little Ox Rd $669,900 5 2 1 3 1 2 Yes 5.492 26 122 Ardmore Woods Colonial 2,740
Sold FX7359251 12116 Wolf Valley Dr $685,000 4 2 1 3 3 2 Yes 5 24 51 Wolf Run Estates Colonial 3,226
30 Sold FX7386909 6110 Henry House Ct $699,900 4 3 1 2 1 2 Yes 1.183 29 148 Fairfax Station Rambler 2,490
20 2 Sold FX7350363 6803 Old Stone Fence Rd $799,000 4 3 1 3 1 2 Yes 0.754 23 62 Ardmore Woods Colonial 3,126
24 Sold FX7372241 6601 Clifton Rd $799,900 5 3 1 2 3 3 Yes 5.727 37 122 Cloverleaf Farm Es Rambler 3,198
28 Sold FX7317583 6123 Moonpatterns Trl $860,000 6 5 1 3 2 2 Yes 5 22 47 The Patterns Colonial 4,216
23 Sold FX7389155 7421 Clifton Quarry Dr $885,000 5 4 1 3 1 3 Yes 1.14 12 29 Balmoral Greens Colonial 3,542
17 Sold FX7370618 7031 Balmoral Forest Rd $897,500 4 4 1 3 1 2 Yes 2.969 13 5 Balmoral Greens Colonial 3,338
14 2 Sold FX7395030 13122 Laurel Glen Rd $899,900 5 3 1 3 2 2 Yes 5 10 6 Laurel Glen Craftsman 2,997
30 Sold FX7367668 12706 Mill Glen Ct $948,500 5 3 1 6 2 2 Yes 5.004 26 20 Mill Branch Contemporary 3,399
30 Sold FX7358397 12675 Mill Dam Dr $975,000 5 4 1 3 2 2 Yes 5.369 16 68 Mill Branch Colonial 4,050
29 Sold FX7356408 12202 Fairfax Station Rd $975,000 4 4 1 3 4 2 Yes 5 24 74 Chadwicke Cape Cod 3,851
Sold FX7343310 12150 Fairfax Station Rd $975,000 5 3 1 3 1 2 Yes 5 26 0 Popes Head Colonial 3,096
27 Sold FX7396815 11530 Lilting Ln $985,000 4 4 1 2 1 3 Yes 7.335 4 46 Singing Woods The Contemporary 3,886
27 2 Sold FX7189452 6527 Ryanlynn Dr $999,000 4 4 1 3 3 3 Yes 5.012 25 264 Woodover Farms Colonial 3,528
Sold FX7294823 7505 Detwiller Dr $999,000 5 5 1 3 3 3 Yes 1.227 12 54 Balmoral Greens Colonial 4,488
30 Sold FX7355031 7396 Clifton Rd $1,099,000 4 3 1 3 4 3 Yes 5.265 26 14 Countryview Traditional 3,942
22 Sold FX7335344 6119 Clifton Rd $1,100,000 5 5 2 3 3 3 Yes 2.47 5 50 Twin Lakes Contemporary 6,524
26 2 Sold FX7385139 7005 Balmoral Forest Rd $1,150,000 4 4 1 3 1 3 Yes 2.005 13 6 Balmoral Greens Colonial 5,386
30 Sold FX7310604 7419 Clifton Rd $1,385,000 5 5 1 3 3 3 Yes 5.03 22 55 Tamaron Investment Colonial 5,196
To: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
Sent: 7/5/2010 2:25:01 PM
Subject: RE: Why isn't the School Board interested in a WIN, WIN, WIN solution?
Attachments:
Hi Patty,
I can honestly say I wish I was where you are now! J Spent the weekend making plans, throwing out and
forging ahead. I did read “Blink†and the “Tipping Pointâ€â€”both good books but I am going to stick to
mysteries and fast no brainer books for the beach! I don’t have “Drive†but heard that too was good.
Regarding the well issues, we have not received back the information about the water and contamination. It
was due last week. FCPS has called every day for results and I remain hopeful we will get some info
tomorrow. The parents may be pleased with bottle watered coming into the school however that is not
appropriate, at least in my opinion. We should be able to provide drinking water at all our schools. In certain
HSs students are not allowed to bring in bottled watered because it looks an awful lot like VODKA and
students sometimes choose to toss the bottles at others. In our other ESs we do not ask students to bring in
bottled water. What I am hearing more and more is CES is like a private school and parents of students who
attend there wish it to remain so. FCPS offers a public education not private if these parents want the
specialties of a private school then they can pursue such accommodations privately. Clifton costs more to
operate than other schools of its size, in fact it costs as much to operate Clifton as a 575-600 student ES.
Finally I don’t quite buy the notion we cannot split Clifton. We are talking 2 things here:
1. Sending students from the Greater Clifton and Fairfax Station areas to closer schools like Oak View,
Fairview or Sangster or perhaps even Silverbrook
2. Sending students from the Town of Clifton and areas west of Clifton to Willow Springs, Union Mill or
perhaps a new school.
At one time the Clifton school was ONLY for the town, that changed when the county consolidated schools
in the 1930s. The school is not historic, the site is not in the town. Boundaries in and around the Clifton
area have been in flux for years. It is absurd to think an area of that size cannot be split and should not be
touched due to wealth and the reaction of “money talksâ€. We split communities and neighborhoods due to
need and have done so for years. Should Clifton be different because $$$ and politicians talk? Don’t get
me wrong I don’t like splitting schools or neighborhoods but when it can be done in a manner where it
helps parents, students are closer to schools, the system saves $, and it takes a wrong from years ago (in
terms of an absurd boundary) and correct it for the sake of community and common sense then I am OK
with it.
Something of interest you might find a bit eye opening….my husband and I were looking at homes this
week. We are thinking of moving. So we spent several hours searching Fx Station, Clifton, Burke and
West Springfield areas. There were few if any homes listed in Clifton, those we found were $1.2 and up.
Definitely not the fixer uppers we were looking for. My point is here that due to the costs of housing in
Clifton the market for buyers is small.
Enough on all this---go, enjoy, listen to old John Denver records and have fun!
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
WOW - Lizzy - what realtor is working for you? we have many qualified realtors that could have helped you out. I don't see many $1.2m fixer uppers in this list.
Received Stat ML# Address List Price BR FB HB Lvl Fpl Gar Bsmt Acres Age DOMP Adv Subdiv Style Tax Living Area
30 Sold FX7408490 12100 Beaver Creek Rd $597,500 4 3 1 4 3 0 Yes 5.208 39 11 Maple Branch Contemporary 2,066
30 2 Sold FX7282903 11005 Highridge St $599,000 4 2 1 3 1 2 Yes 0.471 32 122 Ardmore Woods Colonial 2,328
19 2 Sold FX7217954 11320 Chapel Rd $599,000 5 3 0 2 1 6 Yes 6.203 26 143 Resub Of Lts 3 4B Rambler 1,600
24 Sold FX7339106 11713 Henderson Rd $599,000 4 3 1 3 2 2 Yes 2.505 34 51 None Tudor 1,576
11 Sold FX7369703 8200 Wolf Run Shoals Rd $599,900 4 2 1 2 2 1 Yes 5 33 15 Occoquan Run Split Foyer
20 Sold FX7276443 7613 Maple Branch Rd $599,990 4 3 0 2 1 0 Yes 5.004 31 73 Williams And Conle Rambler 1,668
6 Sold FX7374346 6530 Little Ox Rd $606,900 4 2 1 3 2 2 Yes 5.165 28 21 Ardmore Woods Colonial 2,538
30 2 Sold FX7266557 6542 Little Ox Rd $669,900 5 2 1 3 1 2 Yes 5.492 26 122 Ardmore Woods Colonial 2,740
Sold FX7359251 12116 Wolf Valley Dr $685,000 4 2 1 3 3 2 Yes 5 24 51 Wolf Run Estates Colonial 3,226
30 Sold FX7386909 6110 Henry House Ct $699,900 4 3 1 2 1 2 Yes 1.183 29 148 Fairfax Station Rambler 2,490
20 2 Sold FX7350363 6803 Old Stone Fence Rd $799,000 4 3 1 3 1 2 Yes 0.754 23 62 Ardmore Woods Colonial 3,126
24 Sold FX7372241 6601 Clifton Rd $799,900 5 3 1 2 3 3 Yes 5.727 37 122 Cloverleaf Farm Es Rambler 3,198
28 Sold FX7317583 6123 Moonpatterns Trl $860,000 6 5 1 3 2 2 Yes 5 22 47 The Patterns Colonial 4,216
23 Sold FX7389155 7421 Clifton Quarry Dr $885,000 5 4 1 3 1 3 Yes 1.14 12 29 Balmoral Greens Colonial 3,542
17 Sold FX7370618 7031 Balmoral Forest Rd $897,500 4 4 1 3 1 2 Yes 2.969 13 5 Balmoral Greens Colonial 3,338
14 2 Sold FX7395030 13122 Laurel Glen Rd $899,900 5 3 1 3 2 2 Yes 5 10 6 Laurel Glen Craftsman 2,997
30 Sold FX7367668 12706 Mill Glen Ct $948,500 5 3 1 6 2 2 Yes 5.004 26 20 Mill Branch Contemporary 3,399
30 Sold FX7358397 12675 Mill Dam Dr $975,000 5 4 1 3 2 2 Yes 5.369 16 68 Mill Branch Colonial 4,050
29 Sold FX7356408 12202 Fairfax Station Rd $975,000 4 4 1 3 4 2 Yes 5 24 74 Chadwicke Cape Cod 3,851
Sold FX7343310 12150 Fairfax Station Rd $975,000 5 3 1 3 1 2 Yes 5 26 0 Popes Head Colonial 3,096
27 Sold FX7396815 11530 Lilting Ln $985,000 4 4 1 2 1 3 Yes 7.335 4 46 Singing Woods The Contemporary 3,886
27 2 Sold FX7189452 6527 Ryanlynn Dr $999,000 4 4 1 3 3 3 Yes 5.012 25 264 Woodover Farms Colonial 3,528
Sold FX7294823 7505 Detwiller Dr $999,000 5 5 1 3 3 3 Yes 1.227 12 54 Balmoral Greens Colonial 4,488
30 Sold FX7355031 7396 Clifton Rd $1,099,000 4 3 1 3 4 3 Yes 5.265 26 14 Countryview Traditional 3,942
22 Sold FX7335344 6119 Clifton Rd $1,100,000 5 5 2 3 3 3 Yes 2.47 5 50 Twin Lakes Contemporary 6,524
26 2 Sold FX7385139 7005 Balmoral Forest Rd $1,150,000 4 4 1 3 1 3 Yes 2.005 13 6 Balmoral Greens Colonial 5,386
30 Sold FX7310604 7419 Clifton Rd $1,385,000 5 5 1 3 3 3 Yes 5.03 22 55 Tamaron Investment Colonial 5,196
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
More on Lizzy's House Hunting
()
Date: October 28, 2010 09:57PM
Liz - might be some fixer-uppers here... only one the $1.2m range though. I'd be surprised if it was a "fixer-upper"!
Act FX7466532 7808 Blackacre Rd $479,000 4 3 0 2 1 2 Yes 1.22 24 3 Ford Mill Wood Other
20 Act FX7461057 7471 Clifton Rd $525,000 4 3 0 2 2 0 Yes 1.222 44 12 Stillwell Knolls Rambler 1,645
25 Act FX7427496 12515 Chapel Rd $600,000 2 2 1 3 1 2 Yes 0.296 19 135 Near Clifton Contemporary 2,061
18 Act FX7424694 12509 Chapel Rd $629,900 4 3 0 2 3 2 No 3.002 100 108 Clifton (Walk To D Colonial 2,611
30 Act FX7433486 12916 Popes Head Rd $649,900 5 2 0 3 2 0 No 5.008 61 195 Clifton Other 2,136
Act FX7409931 12606 Clifton Hunt Ln $650,000 5 4 0 3 1 2 Yes 5.31 22 80 Clifton Hunt Colonial 3,926
19 Act FX7468167 7000 Clifton Forest Dr $725,000 5 3 0 2 3 2 Yes 3.164 38 426 Clifton Forest Rambler 2,095
28 Act FX7430854 12220 Yates Ford Rd $749,888 3 2 1 2 0 0 Yes 2.006 34 118 Clifton Heights Rambler 1,738
Act FX7462765 11521 Fairfax Station Rd $799,000 4 4 1 3 1 3 Yes 4.695 6 9 Fairfax Station Contemporary 3,984
Act FX7460927 11905 Henderson Ct $799,000 4 2 1 4 2 2 Yes 1.098 20 13 Ashleigh Of Clifto Colonial 3,657
30 2 Act FX7432540 11543 Lilting Ln $899,900 5 4 1 4 2 3 Yes 5 33 49 Singing Woods The Split Level 3,689
30 Act FX7410102 7007 Clifton Forest Dr $899,900 4 3 0 2 2 2 Yes 3.451 27 80 Clifton Forest Rambler 2,268
22 Act FX7431765 7917 Clifton Hunt Ct $929,900 4 3 2 3 2 3 Yes 5.422 14 50 Clifton Hunt Colonial 3,631
29 2 Act FX7426772 6127 Clifton Rd $995,000 5 4 0 2 3 2 Yes 2 24 57 Twin Lakes Rambler 3,976
Act FX7431500 12500 Old Yates Ford Rd $1,075,000 6 5 2 4 3 3 Yes 1 3 387 Bull Run Colonial 6,098
Act FX7466532 7808 Blackacre Rd $479,000 4 3 0 2 1 2 Yes 1.22 24 3 Ford Mill Wood Other
20 Act FX7461057 7471 Clifton Rd $525,000 4 3 0 2 2 0 Yes 1.222 44 12 Stillwell Knolls Rambler 1,645
25 Act FX7427496 12515 Chapel Rd $600,000 2 2 1 3 1 2 Yes 0.296 19 135 Near Clifton Contemporary 2,061
18 Act FX7424694 12509 Chapel Rd $629,900 4 3 0 2 3 2 No 3.002 100 108 Clifton (Walk To D Colonial 2,611
30 Act FX7433486 12916 Popes Head Rd $649,900 5 2 0 3 2 0 No 5.008 61 195 Clifton Other 2,136
Act FX7409931 12606 Clifton Hunt Ln $650,000 5 4 0 3 1 2 Yes 5.31 22 80 Clifton Hunt Colonial 3,926
19 Act FX7468167 7000 Clifton Forest Dr $725,000 5 3 0 2 3 2 Yes 3.164 38 426 Clifton Forest Rambler 2,095
28 Act FX7430854 12220 Yates Ford Rd $749,888 3 2 1 2 0 0 Yes 2.006 34 118 Clifton Heights Rambler 1,738
Act FX7462765 11521 Fairfax Station Rd $799,000 4 4 1 3 1 3 Yes 4.695 6 9 Fairfax Station Contemporary 3,984
Act FX7460927 11905 Henderson Ct $799,000 4 2 1 4 2 2 Yes 1.098 20 13 Ashleigh Of Clifto Colonial 3,657
30 2 Act FX7432540 11543 Lilting Ln $899,900 5 4 1 4 2 3 Yes 5 33 49 Singing Woods The Split Level 3,689
30 Act FX7410102 7007 Clifton Forest Dr $899,900 4 3 0 2 2 2 Yes 3.451 27 80 Clifton Forest Rambler 2,268
22 Act FX7431765 7917 Clifton Hunt Ct $929,900 4 3 2 3 2 3 Yes 5.422 14 50 Clifton Hunt Colonial 3,631
29 2 Act FX7426772 6127 Clifton Rd $995,000 5 4 0 2 3 2 Yes 2 24 57 Twin Lakes Rambler 3,976
Act FX7431500 12500 Old Yates Ford Rd $1,075,000 6 5 2 4 3 3 Yes 1 3 387 Bull Run Colonial 6,098
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dragdown
()
Date: October 29, 2010 10:53AM
This thread is a Hoot!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Moving on out to the deluxe fixer upper
()
Date: October 29, 2010 05:58PM
She's going to want to move a bit further away after all the boundary tinkering and renovating, etc. is done. There are some great deals in some of the neighboring counties Liz.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bizarre
()
Date: October 29, 2010 06:56PM
This is strange--why would Liz Bradsher be bargain shopping for a fixer-upper in Clifton after she spearheaded the movement to close the public school in Clifton? That seems supremely STUPID to me. As if there will be people who will welcome her in? Or is it just an investment property?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MLS says
()
Date: October 29, 2010 08:23PM
So, Liz has been proven a liar to everyone - even MLS says she is a liar!
Too good!
Liz
WE MADE YOUR LIFE HELL FOR THE LAST FOUR MONTHS?
You are a conniving, lying, deceitful charlatan.
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Too good!
Liz
WE MADE YOUR LIFE HELL FOR THE LAST FOUR MONTHS?
You are a conniving, lying, deceitful charlatan.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
No Better
()
Date: October 29, 2010 11:58PM
"I think I have a pretty good idea, after serving 15 years on this board, what is best for kids." Stu Gibson
Sheesh. Can we start a contest for Worst School Board Member of the Year?
These - THESE - are the people representing us in our planning study and boundary study? THESE are the people who are going to change everything?
No more changing - until we change the school board.
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=340353&paper=66&cat=104
>>>Several supervisors said the school board should have had a long and extensive community engagement process about eliminating such long-standing programs, especially since they affect some of the county’s most vulnerable children.
"I hold three public hearings when a gas station wants to change the color of its awning. This is a policy shift of much more importance," said Supervisor Jeff McKay (D-Lee).
"If the Board of Supervisors wants to run the school system, then it can ask the voters of Fairfax County to go back to an appointed school board," said School Board member Stu Gibson (Hunter Mill).
Gibson and several other school board members were upset that the supervisors were second-guessing their judgement.
"I think I have a pretty good idea, after serving 15 years on this board, what is best for kids," he said.<<<<
Sheesh. Can we start a contest for Worst School Board Member of the Year?
These - THESE - are the people representing us in our planning study and boundary study? THESE are the people who are going to change everything?
No more changing - until we change the school board.
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=340353&paper=66&cat=104
>>>Several supervisors said the school board should have had a long and extensive community engagement process about eliminating such long-standing programs, especially since they affect some of the county’s most vulnerable children.
"I hold three public hearings when a gas station wants to change the color of its awning. This is a policy shift of much more importance," said Supervisor Jeff McKay (D-Lee).
"If the Board of Supervisors wants to run the school system, then it can ask the voters of Fairfax County to go back to an appointed school board," said School Board member Stu Gibson (Hunter Mill).
Gibson and several other school board members were upset that the supervisors were second-guessing their judgement.
"I think I have a pretty good idea, after serving 15 years on this board, what is best for kids," he said.<<<<
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
She's BAACCKK!
()
Date: November 01, 2010 11:30AM
Superintendent, Chairman of the School Board, School Board Member and Chief of Operations and Facilities for Fairfax County Public Schools
all complicit in ONE email.
Which "WILL state"? "WILL"? Bradsher KNOWS what a future report "WILL state"?
Bradsher is guiding the vote to close Clifton vote by stating what a future report WILL state.
Dale does nothing
Tistadt does nothing
Smith does nothing
Attachments:
all complicit in ONE email.
Which "WILL state"? "WILL"? Bradsher KNOWS what a future report "WILL state"?
Bradsher is guiding the vote to close Clifton vote by stating what a future report WILL state.
Dale does nothing
Tistadt does nothing
Smith does nothing
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
RamParent
()
Date: November 01, 2010 04:34PM
Wait until we rise from the dead - we will haunt the school board and Bradsher until we get truth & correction of their misdeeds!
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
yupper
()
Date: November 01, 2010 04:40PM
RamParent Wrote:
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> Wait until we rise from the dead -
Brain dead.
Grow up.
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> Wait until we rise from the dead -
Brain dead.
Grow up.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Stu resign now; you too Janie
()
Date: November 01, 2010 05:36PM
No Better Wrote:
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> "I think I have a pretty good idea, after serving 15 years on this board, what is best for kids." Stu Gibson<
That's why this arrogant bum isn't running for re-election. Why not just resign now, Stu, and spare us the last 15 months of your sorry tenure as a near total failure as a human being, never mind school board member.
> Sheesh. Can we start a contest for Worst School Board Member of the Year?<
Janie would give Stu and Liz a run for their money
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> "I think I have a pretty good idea, after serving 15 years on this board, what is best for kids." Stu Gibson<
That's why this arrogant bum isn't running for re-election. Why not just resign now, Stu, and spare us the last 15 months of your sorry tenure as a near total failure as a human being, never mind school board member.
> Sheesh. Can we start a contest for Worst School Board Member of the Year?<
Janie would give Stu and Liz a run for their money
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Janie'11
()
Date: November 01, 2010 06:27PM
Janie will win re-election in Dranesville as long as she wants to be on the School Board. Believe it or not, her Great Falls constituents actually prefer being in the Langley district to South Lakes or Herndon, the 17 mile-long bus rides notwithstanding. Go figure.
And, she shows up at local school events, doesn't write Liz Bradsherish e-mails, doesn't cry at the drop of a pin like Kathy Smith, and doesn't wear stupid buttons like Stu-Clown Gibson.
And, she shows up at local school events, doesn't write Liz Bradsherish e-mails, doesn't cry at the drop of a pin like Kathy Smith, and doesn't wear stupid buttons like Stu-Clown Gibson.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TooCozy
()
Date: November 01, 2010 08:01PM
GMU Hokie Wrote:
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> Who pays Rob Robertory?
>
> Click on the link below to find out.
>
> http://www.robrobertory.com/Professional.htm
>
>
> Rob Robertory is rumored to be a Hokie.
>
> I hear he is pretty sharp.
>
>
>
> Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher
> for Political Gain
> Posted by: TooCozy ()
> Date: October 24, 2010 10:00AM
>
>
> This is getting weirder by the day. WHO pays Rob
> Robertory?!
>
> According to the State Board of Elections, Rob
> Robertory was a financial contributor to Liz
> Bradsher's campaign for her current office!
>
> What the hell is going on around there?
Perhaps you are right. Maybe I should actually call him for financial planning services. It looks like he is successful.
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> Who pays Rob Robertory?
>
> Click on the link below to find out.
>
> http://www.robrobertory.com/Professional.htm
>
>
> Rob Robertory is rumored to be a Hokie.
>
> I hear he is pretty sharp.
>
>
>
> Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher
> for Political Gain
> Posted by: TooCozy ()
> Date: October 24, 2010 10:00AM
>
>
> This is getting weirder by the day. WHO pays Rob
> Robertory?!
>
> According to the State Board of Elections, Rob
> Robertory was a financial contributor to Liz
> Bradsher's campaign for her current office!
>
> What the hell is going on around there?
Perhaps you are right. Maybe I should actually call him for financial planning services. It looks like he is successful.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TooCozy
()
Date: November 01, 2010 08:06PM
GMU Hokie Wrote:
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> Who pays Rob Robertory?
>
> Click on the link below to find out.
>
> http://www.robrobertory.com/Professional.htm
>
>
> Rob Robertory is rumored to be a Hokie.
>
> I hear he is pretty sharp.
>
>
>
Perhaps you are right. Maybe I should call him for financial planning. It looks like he is successful.
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> Who pays Rob Robertory?
>
> Click on the link below to find out.
>
> http://www.robrobertory.com/Professional.htm
>
>
> Rob Robertory is rumored to be a Hokie.
>
> I hear he is pretty sharp.
>
>
>
Perhaps you are right. Maybe I should call him for financial planning. It looks like he is successful.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Rob's Barrington Neighbor
()
Date: November 01, 2010 08:26PM
TooCozy Wrote:
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> GMU Hokie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Who pays Rob Robertory?
> >
> > Click on the link below to find out.
> >
> > http://www.robrobertory.com/Professional.htm
> >
> >
> > Rob Robertory is rumored to be a Hokie.
> >
> > I hear he is pretty sharp.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Perhaps you are right. Maybe I should call him
> for financial planning. It looks like he is
> successful.
Rob is a fat, stupid asshole. Don't be fooled by his website.
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> GMU Hokie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Who pays Rob Robertory?
> >
> > Click on the link below to find out.
> >
> > http://www.robrobertory.com/Professional.htm
> >
> >
> > Rob Robertory is rumored to be a Hokie.
> >
> > I hear he is pretty sharp.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Perhaps you are right. Maybe I should call him
> for financial planning. It looks like he is
> successful.
Rob is a fat, stupid asshole. Don't be fooled by his website.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
After(BeingStabbedInThe)Gut
()
Date: November 01, 2010 11:39PM
Apparently we have left the Republic and live under a Aftergut Patriarchy.
Hail, Jeff, Hail Rob, Hail Jack, Hail Dean, Hail Stu, Hail Dan, Hail Brad, Hail Ilryong, Hail Jim
Bow to your Queens of Mean Liz, Kathy, Tessie and Janie.
We are subjects to your 'representation'. May you receive as well as you have given.
Attachments:
Hail, Jeff, Hail Rob, Hail Jack, Hail Dean, Hail Stu, Hail Dan, Hail Brad, Hail Ilryong, Hail Jim
Bow to your Queens of Mean Liz, Kathy, Tessie and Janie.
We are subjects to your 'representation'. May you receive as well as you have given.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Whose Worse?!
()
Date: November 02, 2010 12:11AM
Each time another comes it seems like someone else rises to the top {of the bottom}.
Are they all bottom feeders?
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 7/6/2010 10:30:17 AM
Subject: Re: Substitute Motion
Attachments:
I am at work and will give you a call.
Thanks Jim for touching base, I know you are on vacation!
Liz
________________________________
From: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tue Jul 06 08:58:32 2010
Subject: Substitute Motion
Good morning, Liz:
What was the outcome of your meetings with staff last week? Will you be
offering a substitute motion to keep CES open, keep CES in the
renovation queue but delay renovations for 3-5 years, and reevaluate the
situation in 3-5 years? Last night Kathy told me you had 7 votes to
close CES and my vote would be #8. Is that correct?
Very respectfully,
James L. "Jim" Raney, Ph.D.
Fairfax County School Board
Member At Large
Tel: 571-423-1091
Executive Administrative Assistant:
Deb Cain, Tel: 571-423-1070
DLCain@fcps.edu
Are they all bottom feeders?
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 7/6/2010 10:30:17 AM
Subject: Re: Substitute Motion
Attachments:
I am at work and will give you a call.
Thanks Jim for touching base, I know you are on vacation!
Liz
________________________________
From: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tue Jul 06 08:58:32 2010
Subject: Substitute Motion
Good morning, Liz:
What was the outcome of your meetings with staff last week? Will you be
offering a substitute motion to keep CES open, keep CES in the
renovation queue but delay renovations for 3-5 years, and reevaluate the
situation in 3-5 years? Last night Kathy told me you had 7 votes to
close CES and my vote would be #8. Is that correct?
Very respectfully,
James L. "Jim" Raney, Ph.D.
Fairfax County School Board
Member At Large
Tel: 571-423-1091
Executive Administrative Assistant:
Deb Cain, Tel: 571-423-1070
DLCain@fcps.edu
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Wretching
()
Date: November 02, 2010 12:15AM
Who the flying crap is Jeff Aftergut? Why does a career as a mid-level patent tool provide him with special expertise to opine on boundary decisions?
And Tessie is just flat-out gross.
And Tessie is just flat-out gross.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
special tax district for SOCO
()
Date: November 02, 2010 10:20AM
That email to Patty Reed was totally inappropriate. That bradsher person is ignoring operating costs of a huge middle school building. Then FCPS has the nerve to suggest selling the Clifton ES building to a private school!!!
http://www.southcountymiddleschool.org/uploads/Connection01.29.09_2_.pdf
How about selling Silverbrook ? That place is immune to boundary changes. Bradsher, Robertory, and Co should be zapped with a special tax district for SOCO middle school costs since they demand static boundaries.
Reston and Mclean have to pay extra for community centers. Lorton should as well. Bradsher might not have little kids so she doesn't give a shit if she wipes out a unifying public resource.
http://www.southcountymiddleschool.org/uploads/Connection01.29.09_2_.pdf
How about selling Silverbrook ? That place is immune to boundary changes. Bradsher, Robertory, and Co should be zapped with a special tax district for SOCO middle school costs since they demand static boundaries.
Reston and Mclean have to pay extra for community centers. Lorton should as well. Bradsher might not have little kids so she doesn't give a shit if she wipes out a unifying public resource.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
such disrespect
()
Date: November 02, 2010 11:06AM
Poor Tina-she takes quite a beating in these emails.
The Annandale principal, Stu Gibson,Liz and now Tessie.
It really is ugly and so unbecoming of a so-called HIGH PERFORMING school district.
Tina doesn't agree with staff on everything. She actually thinks for herself and asks tough questions.
Is this a crime? Apparently it is in FCPS and makes you enemies.
I have always felt like Tina behaved professionally and acted in the best interests of this school district. What a pity many others haven't done the same.
I think this is a very low point for this school district and I pray that the 2011 elections bring some better people to serve these kids.
The Annandale principal, Stu Gibson,Liz and now Tessie.
It really is ugly and so unbecoming of a so-called HIGH PERFORMING school district.
Tina doesn't agree with staff on everything. She actually thinks for herself and asks tough questions.
Is this a crime? Apparently it is in FCPS and makes you enemies.
I have always felt like Tina behaved professionally and acted in the best interests of this school district. What a pity many others haven't done the same.
I think this is a very low point for this school district and I pray that the 2011 elections bring some better people to serve these kids.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
yupper
()
Date: November 02, 2010 12:58PM
Please please please, seek professional help for the mental affliction you are displaying in this thread.
There are treatments available for you. Obtain the help you deserve and get your life back.
There are treatments available for you. Obtain the help you deserve and get your life back.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MLS says
()
Date: November 03, 2010 12:28AM
This woman makes my skin crawl - him, too. Gross.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: November 03, 2010 12:10PM
Liz knows "every back road, the history of Clifton and information on all surrounding schools" yet she does not even realize the "bottled water" the students at Clifton consume does not come in the 20 oz variety, but the 5 gallon water cooler variety. Glad she is so "in touch" with what is really going on within the physical buildings our students are educated within.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SurveyMonkey
()
Date: November 04, 2010 05:24PM
Love the "Queen of Mean" email above where Board Member Tessie Wilson says to Jeff Aftergut "If we wanted to make decisions based on public opinion, we could use survey monkey for everything and do away with the Board."
Well,wouldn't you know it! -- FCPS just sent out a survey monkey survey for the Boundary Study! SO does this mean:
(A) We can now get rid of the Board? Yippeeee!
(B) The survey monkey poll they are asking County taxpayers to fill out is something they feel is irrelevant anyway in which case why are they really asking us to waste our time?
(C) They don't care about public opinion.
(D) All of the above.
Well,wouldn't you know it! -- FCPS just sent out a survey monkey survey for the Boundary Study! SO does this mean:
(A) We can now get rid of the Board? Yippeeee!
(B) The survey monkey poll they are asking County taxpayers to fill out is something they feel is irrelevant anyway in which case why are they really asking us to waste our time?
(C) They don't care about public opinion.
(D) All of the above.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: November 04, 2010 06:26PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> Liz knows "every back road, the history of Clifton
> and information on all surrounding schools" yet
> she does not even realize the "bottled water" the
> students at Clifton consume does not come in the
> 20 oz variety, but the 5 gallon water cooler
> variety. Glad she is so "in touch" with what is
> really going on within the physical buildings our
> students are educated within.
wtf? Those little prima-donnas drinking special water on my dime?
should have bussed them to Rose Hill elem two years ago!
-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
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> Liz knows "every back road, the history of Clifton
> and information on all surrounding schools" yet
> she does not even realize the "bottled water" the
> students at Clifton consume does not come in the
> 20 oz variety, but the 5 gallon water cooler
> variety. Glad she is so "in touch" with what is
> really going on within the physical buildings our
> students are educated within.
wtf? Those little prima-donnas drinking special water on my dime?
should have bussed them to Rose Hill elem two years ago!
-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MoreBoundaryStudy
()
Date: November 04, 2010 09:19PM
Look at this ---- more info on the communities getting screwed by Queen Bee Lizzie...
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Parent Advocacy Group Uncovers Disturbing Flaws in Southwestern County Boundary Study
Leaves Parents Stunned and Looking for Answers
Fairfax County, VA – Thursday, November 4, 2010 – Friends of Community Schools (FCS) is launching a “Stop the Study†campaign to lobby local, regional, state and national officials as a result of the recent Southwestern Boundary Study “public engagement†meetings which left many parents frustrated, angry, and looking for answers.
On Friday, October 22nd at 10 p.m., the Fairfax County Public School system (FCPS) released its three “options†to its web site, describing proposed plans to redistrict 23 schools covering the entire Southwestern portion of Fairfax County. The study was initially intended to solve overcrowding in just four schools. The “community engagement†discussions between parents and the facilities staff took place on Monday and Tuesday, just a few days after the options were released to the public.
Numerous parents who attended the meetings were dismayed that FCPS failed to provide the key information that was necessary to evaluate the options placed before them at the meetings. “We were asked to assess three highly disruptive options which did not meet the stated goals of capacity utilization and had clearly not been fully analyzed from a budgetary aspect,†said Kristy Wasserott from Fairfax Station who attended the Monday Oct 25th meeting at Greenbriar West Elementary School.
Critical information NOT provided to meeting attendees included: impact assessments on transportation, environment, community, and student achievement.
Numerous parents were additionally upset because FCPS failed to provide answers to these important questions:
• How can additions be funded, designed, procured and built in time to accommodate children from the 400 students from Clifton Elementary School when the School Board decided to close this school in June 2011?
• How can FCPS provide NO community school within a 40 mile square radius without costly, unreasonable, and unmanageable bus rides for the county’s youngest children?
• Are other smaller schools in Fairfax County at risk for closure?
• Why are there no details on related middle schools and high schools boundaries?
• How can we be expected to answer questions on elementary schools when we don’t know how it will impact the middle and high schools?
Parents and taxpayers alike became painfully aware after reviewing the three options that in less than three years, FCPS will be forced to revisit the results of any boundary changes as the growth is being directed to an area with an already established population density and infrastructure capacity. How is that a good use of our taxpayer dollars? How is that fiscally prudent?
Recent disclosure of information obtained through Freedom of Information Act indicate Springfield School Board Member Elizabeth Bradsher (who advocated for the closure of Clifton Elementary School) may have misled parents and taxpayers in order to promote her own political aspirations. Ms. Bradsher has also contacted several parents at home and verbally berated them with foul language simply because they have disagreed with her decisions and actions. Even more egregious, Ms. Bradsher recently contacted the employer of a FCPS mother, with false allegations of email harassment, because the mother disagreed with her over the Clifton Elementary School closure.
Read more at: http://friendsofcommunityschools.org/
Parent Contact: Kristy Wasserott – 703-323-7585
####
For more information contact:
Kim Farrell, FCS Communications Director
Home: 703.759.2122 – Cell: 443-257-3220 – Email: farrell27@msn.com
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Parent Advocacy Group Uncovers Disturbing Flaws in Southwestern County Boundary Study
Leaves Parents Stunned and Looking for Answers
Fairfax County, VA – Thursday, November 4, 2010 – Friends of Community Schools (FCS) is launching a “Stop the Study†campaign to lobby local, regional, state and national officials as a result of the recent Southwestern Boundary Study “public engagement†meetings which left many parents frustrated, angry, and looking for answers.
On Friday, October 22nd at 10 p.m., the Fairfax County Public School system (FCPS) released its three “options†to its web site, describing proposed plans to redistrict 23 schools covering the entire Southwestern portion of Fairfax County. The study was initially intended to solve overcrowding in just four schools. The “community engagement†discussions between parents and the facilities staff took place on Monday and Tuesday, just a few days after the options were released to the public.
Numerous parents who attended the meetings were dismayed that FCPS failed to provide the key information that was necessary to evaluate the options placed before them at the meetings. “We were asked to assess three highly disruptive options which did not meet the stated goals of capacity utilization and had clearly not been fully analyzed from a budgetary aspect,†said Kristy Wasserott from Fairfax Station who attended the Monday Oct 25th meeting at Greenbriar West Elementary School.
Critical information NOT provided to meeting attendees included: impact assessments on transportation, environment, community, and student achievement.
Numerous parents were additionally upset because FCPS failed to provide answers to these important questions:
• How can additions be funded, designed, procured and built in time to accommodate children from the 400 students from Clifton Elementary School when the School Board decided to close this school in June 2011?
• How can FCPS provide NO community school within a 40 mile square radius without costly, unreasonable, and unmanageable bus rides for the county’s youngest children?
• Are other smaller schools in Fairfax County at risk for closure?
• Why are there no details on related middle schools and high schools boundaries?
• How can we be expected to answer questions on elementary schools when we don’t know how it will impact the middle and high schools?
Parents and taxpayers alike became painfully aware after reviewing the three options that in less than three years, FCPS will be forced to revisit the results of any boundary changes as the growth is being directed to an area with an already established population density and infrastructure capacity. How is that a good use of our taxpayer dollars? How is that fiscally prudent?
Recent disclosure of information obtained through Freedom of Information Act indicate Springfield School Board Member Elizabeth Bradsher (who advocated for the closure of Clifton Elementary School) may have misled parents and taxpayers in order to promote her own political aspirations. Ms. Bradsher has also contacted several parents at home and verbally berated them with foul language simply because they have disagreed with her decisions and actions. Even more egregious, Ms. Bradsher recently contacted the employer of a FCPS mother, with false allegations of email harassment, because the mother disagreed with her over the Clifton Elementary School closure.
Read more at: http://friendsofcommunityschools.org/
Parent Contact: Kristy Wasserott – 703-323-7585
####
For more information contact:
Kim Farrell, FCS Communications Director
Home: 703.759.2122 – Cell: 443-257-3220 – Email: farrell27@msn.com
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not Lucky with Moon?
()
Date: November 05, 2010 03:19AM
We thought Mr. Moon wasn't a part of all of this - what is this about recusing regarding Clifton?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
notsofast
()
Date: November 05, 2010 08:53AM
So, sh tried to strong arm him on FPAC too?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
boiling point
()
Date: November 05, 2010 09:24AM
Ok, I ahve now been pushed too far.
Now we have Moon, a supposed moderate on this board, clearing his nominee thru Bradsher?
Are you kidding me?
This is government at its worst.
Time to get a BIG BROOM and sweep them all out. Patty, Sandy and Tina can stay-the rest need to go.
This school district is run by a bunch of misfits.
Now we have Moon, a supposed moderate on this board, clearing his nominee thru Bradsher?
Are you kidding me?
This is government at its worst.
Time to get a BIG BROOM and sweep them all out. Patty, Sandy and Tina can stay-the rest need to go.
This school district is run by a bunch of misfits.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: November 05, 2010 09:36AM
boiling point Wrote:
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> Ok, I ahve now been pushed too far.
>
> Now we have Moon, a supposed moderate on this
> board, clearing his nominee thru Bradsher?
>
> Are you kidding me?
>
> This is government at its worst.
>
> Time to get a BIG BROOM and sweep them all out.
> Patty, Sandy and Tina can stay-the rest need to
> go.
>
> This school district is run by a bunch of misfits.
My understanding is that Tina Hone won't run for re-election to the School Board again, although she'd almost surely be re-elected.
She has been a breath of fresh air, which is why her colleagues trash her repeatedly both in public or private. She won't do the Staff's bidding and she won't make dirty back-room deals with the likes of Liz Bradsher. No wonder she's so unpopular at Gatehouse.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ok, I ahve now been pushed too far.
>
> Now we have Moon, a supposed moderate on this
> board, clearing his nominee thru Bradsher?
>
> Are you kidding me?
>
> This is government at its worst.
>
> Time to get a BIG BROOM and sweep them all out.
> Patty, Sandy and Tina can stay-the rest need to
> go.
>
> This school district is run by a bunch of misfits.
My understanding is that Tina Hone won't run for re-election to the School Board again, although she'd almost surely be re-elected.
She has been a breath of fresh air, which is why her colleagues trash her repeatedly both in public or private. She won't do the Staff's bidding and she won't make dirty back-room deals with the likes of Liz Bradsher. No wonder she's so unpopular at Gatehouse.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SelfAssessThis
()
Date: November 06, 2010 12:47AM
Got an email today that SB is having a retreat tomorrow at Ffx HS.
On the agenda? Self-Assessment.
Would like to see their Report Cards, especially this hypocritical SOB.
Zero-Tolerance on being a complete ass.
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On the agenda? Self-Assessment.
Would like to see their Report Cards, especially this hypocritical SOB.
Zero-Tolerance on being a complete ass.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Woodson Supporter
()
Date: November 06, 2010 02:23AM
notsofast Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, sh tried to strong arm him on FPAC too?
How does she possibly deny she sold out one community for another? What's amazing is she's so blatant.
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> So, sh tried to strong arm him on FPAC too?
How does she possibly deny she sold out one community for another? What's amazing is she's so blatant.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not NotLarry
()
Date: November 07, 2010 01:19AM
"No wonder we were successful"? Words of an elected representative in this county trashing parents and celebrating the demise of a school?
This woman is truly hateful. No wonder people in and around Clifton were mad.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:15 PM
To: 'Rob Robertory'
Subject: FW: Important SW Overcrowding / Clifton Elementary Input
This makes us in South County look like wonderful people to work with. No wonder we were successful.... UNBELIEVEABLE!
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-----Original Message-----
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:40 PM
To: 'charlie.t.rau@exxonmobil.com'; 'whollaway@gibsondunn.com'; 'pattihopkins@cox.net'; 'ina.patton@gmail.com'; 'dnitz@cox.net'
Cc: School Board Members; Dale, Jack; Moniuszko, Richard A..; James, Denise; Sneed, Kevin
Subject: RE: Important SW Overcrowding / Clifton Elementary Input
Charlie,
I am copying everyone with this response so I don't fill up everyone's email boxes with the same message over and over which would be the case if I sent this to each board member one by one.
Obviously, you and I are not in agreement about this issue. I can accept that completely. What I regret is that you appear to deliberately present information that you know, or at least should know, is not accurate. I am frankly disappointed.
Your spreadsheets are too voluminous and/or cumbersome to allow me to respond to each and every point so I thought I would use your most recent testimony as a forum for my response. I assume you still stand behind it or you would not have included it in your message to the School Board today.
My comments and responses to your statements are in red.
Dean
This woman is truly hateful. No wonder people in and around Clifton were mad.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:15 PM
To: 'Rob Robertory'
Subject: FW: Important SW Overcrowding / Clifton Elementary Input
This makes us in South County look like wonderful people to work with. No wonder we were successful.... UNBELIEVEABLE!
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-----Original Message-----
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:40 PM
To: 'charlie.t.rau@exxonmobil.com'; 'whollaway@gibsondunn.com'; 'pattihopkins@cox.net'; 'ina.patton@gmail.com'; 'dnitz@cox.net'
Cc: School Board Members; Dale, Jack; Moniuszko, Richard A..; James, Denise; Sneed, Kevin
Subject: RE: Important SW Overcrowding / Clifton Elementary Input
Charlie,
I am copying everyone with this response so I don't fill up everyone's email boxes with the same message over and over which would be the case if I sent this to each board member one by one.
Obviously, you and I are not in agreement about this issue. I can accept that completely. What I regret is that you appear to deliberately present information that you know, or at least should know, is not accurate. I am frankly disappointed.
Your spreadsheets are too voluminous and/or cumbersome to allow me to respond to each and every point so I thought I would use your most recent testimony as a forum for my response. I assume you still stand behind it or you would not have included it in your message to the School Board today.
My comments and responses to your statements are in red.
Dean
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sincerely
()
Date: November 07, 2010 03:42AM
Not NotLarry Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "No wonder we were successful"? Words of an
> elected representative in this county trashing
> parents and celebrating the demise of a school?
>
> This woman is truly hateful. No wonder people in
> and around Clifton were mad.
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:15 PM
> To: 'Rob Robertory'
> Subject: FW: Important SW Overcrowding / Clifton
> Elementary Input
>
> This makes us in South County look like wonderful
> people to work with. No wonder we were
> successful.... UNBELIEVEABLE!
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tistadt, Dean
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:40 PM
> To: 'charlie.t.rau@exxonmobil.com';
> 'whollaway@gibsondunn.com';
> 'pattihopkins@cox.net'; 'ina.patton@gmail.com';
> 'dnitz@cox.net'
> Cc: School Board Members; Dale, Jack; Moniuszko,
> Richard A..; James, Denise; Sneed, Kevin
> Subject: RE: Important SW Overcrowding / Clifton
> Elementary Input
>
> Charlie,
> I am copying everyone with this response so I
> don't fill up everyone's email boxes with the same
> message over and over which would be the case if I
> sent this to each board member one by one.
> Obviously, you and I are not in agreement about
> this issue. I can accept that completely. What I
> regret is that you appear to deliberately present
> information that you know, or at least should
> know, is not accurate. I am frankly
> disappointed.
> Your spreadsheets are too voluminous and/or
> cumbersome to allow me to respond to each and
> every point so I thought I would use your most
> recent testimony as a forum for my response. I
> assume you still stand behind it or you would not
> have included it in your message to the School
> Board today.
> My comments and responses to your statements are
> in red.
> Dean
What do you expect from a woman who has this on her campaign page and then turned around and drove a vote to close a school in one of the longest standing communities in the area to get votes from another area? She should have left the word "Sincerely" off completely.
"As your School Board representative I will work hard to maintain community schools in the Springfield District as well as in the rest of Fairfax County. I don't approve of breaking long standing communities up for the sake of unwarranted boundary modifications. Personally, I have witnessed too many boundary town meetings which have torn communities apart and resulted in negative outcomes.
There is no substitute in this county for a community school.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher"
http://lizbradsher.org/update.asp
-------------------------------------------------------
> "No wonder we were successful"? Words of an
> elected representative in this county trashing
> parents and celebrating the demise of a school?
>
> This woman is truly hateful. No wonder people in
> and around Clifton were mad.
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:15 PM
> To: 'Rob Robertory'
> Subject: FW: Important SW Overcrowding / Clifton
> Elementary Input
>
> This makes us in South County look like wonderful
> people to work with. No wonder we were
> successful.... UNBELIEVEABLE!
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tistadt, Dean
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:40 PM
> To: 'charlie.t.rau@exxonmobil.com';
> 'whollaway@gibsondunn.com';
> 'pattihopkins@cox.net'; 'ina.patton@gmail.com';
> 'dnitz@cox.net'
> Cc: School Board Members; Dale, Jack; Moniuszko,
> Richard A..; James, Denise; Sneed, Kevin
> Subject: RE: Important SW Overcrowding / Clifton
> Elementary Input
>
> Charlie,
> I am copying everyone with this response so I
> don't fill up everyone's email boxes with the same
> message over and over which would be the case if I
> sent this to each board member one by one.
> Obviously, you and I are not in agreement about
> this issue. I can accept that completely. What I
> regret is that you appear to deliberately present
> information that you know, or at least should
> know, is not accurate. I am frankly
> disappointed.
> Your spreadsheets are too voluminous and/or
> cumbersome to allow me to respond to each and
> every point so I thought I would use your most
> recent testimony as a forum for my response. I
> assume you still stand behind it or you would not
> have included it in your message to the School
> Board today.
> My comments and responses to your statements are
> in red.
> Dean
What do you expect from a woman who has this on her campaign page and then turned around and drove a vote to close a school in one of the longest standing communities in the area to get votes from another area? She should have left the word "Sincerely" off completely.
"As your School Board representative I will work hard to maintain community schools in the Springfield District as well as in the rest of Fairfax County. I don't approve of breaking long standing communities up for the sake of unwarranted boundary modifications. Personally, I have witnessed too many boundary town meetings which have torn communities apart and resulted in negative outcomes.
There is no substitute in this county for a community school.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher"
http://lizbradsher.org/update.asp
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
RulesSchmools
()
Date: November 07, 2010 12:31PM
http://www.fcps.edu/schlbd/sg/index.htm
As trustees of the system, working on the community's behalf, the School Board is obligated to assure that the community's values and expectations are reflected in the work of the school system and that a transparent governing process facilitates the community's ability to gauge the School Board and school system's performance.
Strategic Governance is a process [see definition of terms] that allows the School Board to exercise its responsibilities in a manner that assures that the staff, under the authority of the Superintendent, has the freedom and authority to do its work without interference, but also that the School Board and Superintendent are fully accountable to the community for the results.
As trustees of the system, working on the community's behalf, the School Board is obligated to assure that the community's values and expectations are reflected in the work of the school system and that a transparent governing process facilitates the community's ability to gauge the School Board and school system's performance.
Strategic Governance is a process [see definition of terms] that allows the School Board to exercise its responsibilities in a manner that assures that the staff, under the authority of the Superintendent, has the freedom and authority to do its work without interference, but also that the School Board and Superintendent are fully accountable to the community for the results.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SayWHAT?!
()
Date: November 07, 2010 01:06PM
FCPS & SB Troll Patrol is on duty.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FSBO in Vienna
()
Date: November 07, 2010 09:30PM
After seeing this, this woman might quite possibly be the bitchiest realtor in Northern Virginia (does she only sell homes to poor people?) - and it seems Channel 9 has no better in a reporter.
So, it is FSBO or Long & Foster or anyone else - and Channels 4, 5, & 7 from now on.
______________________________________________________________________
From: Monique Craft
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tue Jul 13 01:41:36 2010
Subject: RE: Urgent!
I might call you tomorrow. I have to show homes in Vienna all day and you
have to have a vacation!
Peggy used to be my next door neighbor when she was in high school at WSHS.
I like Pat, but I know he is on the opposite side that you are on for this
issue.
I sure hope you can have a VACATION and that you are somewhere FUN!!
I hate politics!!
Peggy sent me another email... I don't get it... why should an elementary
school take precedent over a high school with five times the students?
WS's voices need to be heard.
I answered that this is why the School Board voted 9 to 2 to close Clifton
because they feel the same way.
Why can't all those rich people in Clifton just pay to keep their little
school? Why not a private/public partnership?
Monique
Monique Craft & Crew
Weichert, Realtors
Home Office: (703)451-SALE (7253)
Cell: (703)628-9571
Fax: (703)451-0721
MoniqueCraft@mris.com
www.MoniqueCraft.com
Â
Top 2% Nationwide
NVAR Lifetime Top Producer Club
Bilingual-English & French
-----Original Message-----
From: Fox, Peggy [mailto:PFOX@wusa9.com]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:13 PM
To: moniquecraft@mris.com
Subject: RE: Urgent!
MOnique,
Several education groups are going after the vote on Clifton.... I think
we need to hear from the WSHS advocates. I'll try to do story on Tuesday.
Peggy
So, it is FSBO or Long & Foster or anyone else - and Channels 4, 5, & 7 from now on.
______________________________________________________________________
From: Monique Craft
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tue Jul 13 01:41:36 2010
Subject: RE: Urgent!
I might call you tomorrow. I have to show homes in Vienna all day and you
have to have a vacation!
Peggy used to be my next door neighbor when she was in high school at WSHS.
I like Pat, but I know he is on the opposite side that you are on for this
issue.
I sure hope you can have a VACATION and that you are somewhere FUN!!
I hate politics!!
Peggy sent me another email... I don't get it... why should an elementary
school take precedent over a high school with five times the students?
WS's voices need to be heard.
I answered that this is why the School Board voted 9 to 2 to close Clifton
because they feel the same way.
Why can't all those rich people in Clifton just pay to keep their little
school? Why not a private/public partnership?
Monique
Monique Craft & Crew
Weichert, Realtors
Home Office: (703)451-SALE (7253)
Cell: (703)628-9571
Fax: (703)451-0721
MoniqueCraft@mris.com
www.MoniqueCraft.com
Â
Top 2% Nationwide
NVAR Lifetime Top Producer Club
Bilingual-English & French
-----Original Message-----
From: Fox, Peggy [mailto:PFOX@wusa9.com]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:13 PM
To: moniquecraft@mris.com
Subject: RE: Urgent!
MOnique,
Several education groups are going after the vote on Clifton.... I think
we need to hear from the WSHS advocates. I'll try to do story on Tuesday.
Peggy
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
NoFanofLizzy
()
Date: November 08, 2010 01:24AM
How many more schools will Lizzy need to collect to fulfill her plan?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Too many of these!
()
Date: November 08, 2010 10:12AM
Monique Craft puts down that she is bilingual in English and French after her name??? OMG. She sells to all the Frenchies? She must be friends with that Bob Larsen guy! Only in Fairfax County!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Je parle
()
Date: November 08, 2010 10:54AM
Monique -
Con casse-toi, salope.
Con casse-toi, salope.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WOW
()
Date: November 08, 2010 11:43AM
I pay a lot in taxes to send my kids to Fairfax Co. schools and this is the moron we have running our school board. Yikes! Jack Dale needs to wake up or his school system is in for another lawsuit.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FCPS School Board (ish)
()
Date: November 09, 2010 12:08AM
We get to do whatever we want - so just give us the money and quite whining --- or we come for your school next.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MollyCorbin
()
Date: November 09, 2010 10:40AM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [mailto:ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:42 AM
To: 'hunt4vasenate@cox.net'
Subject: Re: CIP Update: July School Board Action
Steve,
It is my opinion you and Pat Herrity have overstepped professional
"boundaries" on the Clifton issue. As your elected School Board member and
a citizen I do not tend to agree with you observations. And yes Steve the
money saved from Clifton does indeed impact the queue and schools like WSHS.
Liz
----- Original Message -----
From: hunt4vasenate@cox.net
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thu Jul 01 09:43:30 2010
Subject: RE: CIP Update: July School Board Action
Liz
If you wanted to argue that WSHS is in greater need of renovation than
Clifton ES and the schools should be switched in the CIP, I believe that
would be viable arguement andone that I would be supportive. It does not
require the closing of Clifton ES.
We obviously see this from a different perspective. I live in the Clifton
ES boundary area. I was a precinct captian in Clifton while not actually
voting there. I am a member of the Clifton Lions Club. I know this
community. I have fought for communities all across Fairfax County. Most
of the Clifton ES boundary area is not in the 37th Senate DIstrict. I also
work hard for children whether the live in Graham Road area or Clifton. To
state that I am advocating for my political future is counter to my track
record and an unfair assumption as to my motivations.
Steve
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:42 AM
To: 'hunt4vasenate@cox.net'
Subject: Re: CIP Update: July School Board Action
Steve,
It is my opinion you and Pat Herrity have overstepped professional
"boundaries" on the Clifton issue. As your elected School Board member and
a citizen I do not tend to agree with you observations. And yes Steve the
money saved from Clifton does indeed impact the queue and schools like WSHS.
Liz
----- Original Message -----
From: hunt4vasenate@cox.net
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thu Jul 01 09:43:30 2010
Subject: RE: CIP Update: July School Board Action
Liz
If you wanted to argue that WSHS is in greater need of renovation than
Clifton ES and the schools should be switched in the CIP, I believe that
would be viable arguement andone that I would be supportive. It does not
require the closing of Clifton ES.
We obviously see this from a different perspective. I live in the Clifton
ES boundary area. I was a precinct captian in Clifton while not actually
voting there. I am a member of the Clifton Lions Club. I know this
community. I have fought for communities all across Fairfax County. Most
of the Clifton ES boundary area is not in the 37th Senate DIstrict. I also
work hard for children whether the live in Graham Road area or Clifton. To
state that I am advocating for my political future is counter to my track
record and an unfair assumption as to my motivations.
Steve
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: November 09, 2010 11:16AM
MollyCorbin Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:42 AM
> To: 'hunt4vasenate@cox.net'
> Subject: Re: CIP Update: July School Board Action
> Steve,
> It is my opinion you and Pat Herrity have
> overstepped professional
> "boundaries" on the Clifton issue. As your elected
> School Board member and
> a citizen I do not tend to agree with you
> observations. And yes Steve the
> money saved from Clifton does indeed impact the
> queue and schools like WSHS.
> Liz
In other words, "butt out and let me do what I want."
She really should resign now out of respect for the citizens of the county. As it is, she is turning the typical presumption that sitting School Board members can be reelected as long as they want on its head. In 2011, the presumption will be that any current member who runs for reelection should be rejected unless they can prove that they have not stooped to Liz Bradsher's level.
Shame, shame, shame.
-------------------------------------------------------
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:42 AM
> To: 'hunt4vasenate@cox.net'
> Subject: Re: CIP Update: July School Board Action
> Steve,
> It is my opinion you and Pat Herrity have
> overstepped professional
> "boundaries" on the Clifton issue. As your elected
> School Board member and
> a citizen I do not tend to agree with you
> observations. And yes Steve the
> money saved from Clifton does indeed impact the
> queue and schools like WSHS.
> Liz
In other words, "butt out and let me do what I want."
She really should resign now out of respect for the citizens of the county. As it is, she is turning the typical presumption that sitting School Board members can be reelected as long as they want on its head. In 2011, the presumption will be that any current member who runs for reelection should be rejected unless they can prove that they have not stooped to Liz Bradsher's level.
Shame, shame, shame.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hag
()
Date: November 09, 2010 12:26PM
"overstepped your professional boundaries" ?? (written to Steve Hunt, and including Pat Herrity)
"As your elected School Board member and a citizen I do not tend to agree with your observations" ??
So it seems that anyone who dares to have a different perspective or disagrees with Liz Bradsher has absolutely no valuable insight and must be slammed in her pissy manner.
*Wow* What must it be like to be her kid, if she is this awful to anyone who disagrees with her? Why is she so stuck on torpedoing this school?? (I am not in Clifton, btw.)
"As your elected School Board member and a citizen I do not tend to agree with your observations" ??
So it seems that anyone who dares to have a different perspective or disagrees with Liz Bradsher has absolutely no valuable insight and must be slammed in her pissy manner.
*Wow* What must it be like to be her kid, if she is this awful to anyone who disagrees with her? Why is she so stuck on torpedoing this school?? (I am not in Clifton, btw.)
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: November 09, 2010 12:40PM
hag Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "overstepped your professional boundaries" ??
> (written to Steve Hunt, and including Pat
> Herrity)
>
> "As your elected School Board member and a citizen
> I do not tend to agree with your observations" ??
>
>
> So it seems that anyone who dares to have a
> different perspective or disagrees with Liz
> Bradsher has absolutely no valuable insight and
> must be slammed in her pissy manner.
>
> *Wow* What must it be like to be her kid, if she
> is this awful to anyone who disagrees with her?
> Why is she so stuck on torpedoing this school??
> (I am not in Clifton, btw.)
Well, yeah, what she writes makes absolutely no sense, but it's clear she doesn't like being challenged.
Why can't we have School Board members who listen thoughtfully and keep an open mind? It doesn't mean they can please everyone all the time, but it might create at least a modest amount of trust. Right now there is none.
-------------------------------------------------------
> "overstepped your professional boundaries" ??
> (written to Steve Hunt, and including Pat
> Herrity)
>
> "As your elected School Board member and a citizen
> I do not tend to agree with your observations" ??
>
>
> So it seems that anyone who dares to have a
> different perspective or disagrees with Liz
> Bradsher has absolutely no valuable insight and
> must be slammed in her pissy manner.
>
> *Wow* What must it be like to be her kid, if she
> is this awful to anyone who disagrees with her?
> Why is she so stuck on torpedoing this school??
> (I am not in Clifton, btw.)
Well, yeah, what she writes makes absolutely no sense, but it's clear she doesn't like being challenged.
Why can't we have School Board members who listen thoughtfully and keep an open mind? It doesn't mean they can please everyone all the time, but it might create at least a modest amount of trust. Right now there is none.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mathalicious
()
Date: November 09, 2010 01:33PM
The extreme 'pot calling the kettle black' would be hysterical if it weren't for the catastrophic events she has set in motion by her action.
That Liz dares accuse anyone else of operating within the political spectrum (how ironic that she states "boundaries" - that's a dirty word) for ostensibly their own interests while serving constituents is absurd.
She is going to have to encourage the West Springfield to secede from Fairfax County and the Commonwealth, because that is the only way she will ever get elected to anything - ever - again.
And too much that she claims people are out to end her career - ever heard of a suicide bomber who blames the victims for causing their death?
That Liz dares accuse anyone else of operating within the political spectrum (how ironic that she states "boundaries" - that's a dirty word) for ostensibly their own interests while serving constituents is absurd.
She is going to have to encourage the West Springfield to secede from Fairfax County and the Commonwealth, because that is the only way she will ever get elected to anything - ever - again.
And too much that she claims people are out to end her career - ever heard of a suicide bomber who blames the victims for causing their death?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: November 09, 2010 02:54PM
Mathalicious Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The extreme 'pot calling the kettle black' would
> be hysterical if it weren't for the catastrophic
> events she has set in motion by her action.
>
> That Liz dares accuse anyone else of operating
> within the political spectrum (how ironic that she
> states "boundaries" - that's a dirty word) for
> ostensibly their own interests while serving
> constituents is absurd.
>
> She is going to have to encourage the West
> Springfield to secede from Fairfax County and the
> Commonwealth, because that is the only way she
> will ever get elected to anything - ever - again.
>
I wouldn't worry about folks in West Springfield. She's completely toxic now. The people at WSHS got what they want from her and will drop her like a hot potato, if they haven't done so already.
-------------------------------------------------------
> The extreme 'pot calling the kettle black' would
> be hysterical if it weren't for the catastrophic
> events she has set in motion by her action.
>
> That Liz dares accuse anyone else of operating
> within the political spectrum (how ironic that she
> states "boundaries" - that's a dirty word) for
> ostensibly their own interests while serving
> constituents is absurd.
>
> She is going to have to encourage the West
> Springfield to secede from Fairfax County and the
> Commonwealth, because that is the only way she
> will ever get elected to anything - ever - again.
>
I wouldn't worry about folks in West Springfield. She's completely toxic now. The people at WSHS got what they want from her and will drop her like a hot potato, if they haven't done so already.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
parent in Clifton
()
Date: November 09, 2010 03:34PM
I learned that at our next PTA meeting a rep from the school board will be on hand to listen to parents. We are NOT to ask any direct questions and only provide information that will go towards the boundary study. What a farce!
Right now in one of the options the schoold board provides for my child he will be on the bus for almost two hours a day. He is six years old. I do not not like any options the school board has given.
I feel this is a battle we will not win unless a lot of parents in Fairfax county start to care about what the board is doing to ALL our children.
Right now in one of the options the schoold board provides for my child he will be on the bus for almost two hours a day. He is six years old. I do not not like any options the school board has given.
I feel this is a battle we will not win unless a lot of parents in Fairfax county start to care about what the board is doing to ALL our children.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WSHS parent
()
Date: November 09, 2010 04:01PM
Most here assume that West Springfield owes Liz a debt of gratitude. Quite the contrary. We're the ones who got cast aside so South County could get their middle school...even after an independant consultant ($75,000) concluded that WSHS should be moved to the top of the CIP. The SB didn't like those results so they along with facilities changed the criteria for renovation.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
R U Sure?
()
Date: November 09, 2010 04:44PM
WSHS parent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Most here assume that West Springfield owes Liz a
> debt of gratitude. Quite the contrary. We're the
> ones who got cast aside so South County could get
> their middle school...even after an independant
> consultant ($75,000) concluded that WSHS should be
> moved to the top of the CIP. The SB didn't like
> those results so they along with facilities
> changed the criteria for renovation.
Here's hoping you are right - Bradsher seems awfully chummy with the principal of WSHS and SoCo MS/HS - beer and love all around!
Attachments:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Most here assume that West Springfield owes Liz a
> debt of gratitude. Quite the contrary. We're the
> ones who got cast aside so South County could get
> their middle school...even after an independant
> consultant ($75,000) concluded that WSHS should be
> moved to the top of the CIP. The SB didn't like
> those results so they along with facilities
> changed the criteria for renovation.
Here's hoping you are right - Bradsher seems awfully chummy with the principal of WSHS and SoCo MS/HS - beer and love all around!
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I hate FC SB
()
Date: November 09, 2010 06:17PM
Who can go over a SB vote? I wrote Jack Dale but he does not care what the SB does. He agrees in closing Clifton. He would LOVE for Clifton parents to send all their kids to private schools. That way they still pay taxes but they do not drain the FCPS budget.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
smiles all around
()
Date: November 09, 2010 09:26PM
Of course Jack Dale agrees! Duuuuuuh. Do you watch those SB meetings and see that big smile on Dale's face---he's taking his 300K to the bank laughing all the way. The Board and the FCPS staff are all in bed with each other----all the time. What? You honestly thought that this game had anything to do with democracy or representation?? Ha, ha, ha, . . . . . . they are all laughing at us.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Jack can eat no lean.....
()
Date: November 10, 2010 11:01PM
Gov. Christie NJ today explaining a county superintendent gaming the system.
Isn't this what Jack Dale did in Sept. 09 before the budget shortfall hit the fan? So glad I pay $100 for every kid, every sport, every time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ1n6Y_uWAI
FCPS School Board votes on Jacks new contract:
(which increased pay 8%):
Sept. 10, 2009 SB Meeting #34
Agenda Item:
Superintendent’s Contract - Renew the employment contract for Jack D. Dale,
Division Superintendent, effective September 10, 2009, through June 30, 2013
(SB; presented as new business 7/23/09; Exhibit F)
Mr. Gibson moved, and Ms. Bradsher seconded, to renew the employment
contract for Jack D. Dale, Division Superintendent, effective September 10, 2009,
through June 30, 2013.
FAIRFAX COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD
Regular Meeting No. 3 4 September 10, 2009
Discussion and comments included the following: under the Board’s strategic
governance model, the student achievement goals and operational expectations
monitoring reports were presented throughout the year and were the basis for the
Superintendent’s performance evaluation; over the past three years, over 1,000
pages of monitoring report data had been presented to the Board and the
community, which were based on 55 Board-approved measures; student
academic achievement in FCPS was at an all-time high as a result of Dr. Dale’s
leadership over the past five years, as FCPS continued to rank among the top
school systems in the nation; a four year contract renewal would ensure that
continuity of leadership; it was crucial that the Board and Dr. Dale continue to
work together, with Leadership Team members, principals, teachers, parents,
community members, and students, as everyone faced another grim budget
year; the proposed contract contained no increase in salary or benefits; concern
expressed about the community’s confidence in the Board and the
Superintendent, and that offering a three year contract would allow the current
Board to consider any further renewal in 2011, instead of a newly-elected Board
having that responsibility in 2012; there was community misunderstanding about
the role of strategic governance that needed to be resolved, and a
communications plan was needed; it was the School Board’s responsibility to hire
and evaluate the Superintendent and monitor the system’s achievements, and
offering Dr. Dale a four year contract renewal would recognize these
achievements.
The motion to renew the employment contract for Jack D. Dale, Division
Superintendent, effective September 10, 2009, through June 30, 2013, passed
7-3-1: Ms. Bradsher, Mr. Center, Mr. Gibson, Mr. Raney, Mrs. Smith, Mrs.
Strauss, and Mrs. Wilson voted “ayeâ€; Ms. Hone, Mrs. Kory, and Mr. Storck voted
“nayâ€; Mr. Moon abstained; with the Providence district seat vacant.
Isn't this what Jack Dale did in Sept. 09 before the budget shortfall hit the fan? So glad I pay $100 for every kid, every sport, every time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ1n6Y_uWAI
FCPS School Board votes on Jacks new contract:
(which increased pay 8%):
Sept. 10, 2009 SB Meeting #34
Agenda Item:
Superintendent’s Contract - Renew the employment contract for Jack D. Dale,
Division Superintendent, effective September 10, 2009, through June 30, 2013
(SB; presented as new business 7/23/09; Exhibit F)
Mr. Gibson moved, and Ms. Bradsher seconded, to renew the employment
contract for Jack D. Dale, Division Superintendent, effective September 10, 2009,
through June 30, 2013.
FAIRFAX COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD
Regular Meeting No. 3 4 September 10, 2009
Discussion and comments included the following: under the Board’s strategic
governance model, the student achievement goals and operational expectations
monitoring reports were presented throughout the year and were the basis for the
Superintendent’s performance evaluation; over the past three years, over 1,000
pages of monitoring report data had been presented to the Board and the
community, which were based on 55 Board-approved measures; student
academic achievement in FCPS was at an all-time high as a result of Dr. Dale’s
leadership over the past five years, as FCPS continued to rank among the top
school systems in the nation; a four year contract renewal would ensure that
continuity of leadership; it was crucial that the Board and Dr. Dale continue to
work together, with Leadership Team members, principals, teachers, parents,
community members, and students, as everyone faced another grim budget
year; the proposed contract contained no increase in salary or benefits; concern
expressed about the community’s confidence in the Board and the
Superintendent, and that offering a three year contract would allow the current
Board to consider any further renewal in 2011, instead of a newly-elected Board
having that responsibility in 2012; there was community misunderstanding about
the role of strategic governance that needed to be resolved, and a
communications plan was needed; it was the School Board’s responsibility to hire
and evaluate the Superintendent and monitor the system’s achievements, and
offering Dr. Dale a four year contract renewal would recognize these
achievements.
The motion to renew the employment contract for Jack D. Dale, Division
Superintendent, effective September 10, 2009, through June 30, 2013, passed
7-3-1: Ms. Bradsher, Mr. Center, Mr. Gibson, Mr. Raney, Mrs. Smith, Mrs.
Strauss, and Mrs. Wilson voted “ayeâ€; Ms. Hone, Mrs. Kory, and Mr. Storck voted
“nayâ€; Mr. Moon abstained; with the Providence district seat vacant.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
burning
()
Date: November 11, 2010 04:23PM
This is totally disgusting. He got an 8% raise and the teachers got nothing that year or this year??? The media said nothing about this.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
seconded
()
Date: November 11, 2010 04:49PM
Jack can eat no lean..... Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Gov. Christie NJ today explaining a county
> superintendent gaming the system.
> Isn't this what Jack Dale did in Sept. 09 before
> the budget shortfall hit the fan? So glad I pay
> $100 for every kid, every sport, every time.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ1n6Y_uWAI
>
> FCPS School Board votes on Jacks new contract:
> (which increased pay 8%):
>
> Sept. 10, 2009 SB Meeting #34
> Agenda Item:
>
> Superintendent’s Contract - Renew the employment
> contract for Jack D. Dale,
> Division Superintendent, effective September 10,
> 2009, through June 30, 2013
> (SB; presented as new business 7/23/09; Exhibit
> F)
> Mr. Gibson moved, and Ms. Bradsher seconded, to
> renew the employment
> contract for Jack D. Dale, Division
> Superintendent, effective September 10, 2009,
> through June 30, 2013.
> FAIRFAX COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD
> Regular Meeting No. 3 4 September 10, 2009
> Discussion and comments included the following:
> under the Board’s strategic
> governance model, the student achievement goals
> and operational expectations
> monitoring reports were presented throughout the
> year and were the basis for the
> Superintendent’s performance evaluation; over
> the past three years, over 1,000
> pages of monitoring report data had been presented
> to the Board and the
> community, which were based on 55 Board-approved
> measures; student
> academic achievement in FCPS was at an all-time
> high as a result of Dr. Dale’s
> leadership over the past five years, as FCPS
> continued to rank among the top
> school systems in the nation; a four year contract
> renewal would ensure that
> continuity of leadership; it was crucial that the
> Board and Dr. Dale continue to
> work together, with Leadership Team members,
> principals, teachers, parents,
> community members, and students, as everyone faced
> another grim budget
> year; the proposed contract contained no increase
> in salary or benefits; concern
> expressed about the community’s confidence in
> the Board and the
> Superintendent, and that offering a three year
> contract would allow the current
> Board to consider any further renewal in 2011,
> instead of a newly-elected Board
> having that responsibility in 2012; there was
> community misunderstanding about
> the role of strategic governance that needed to be
> resolved, and a
> communications plan was needed; it was the School
> Board’s responsibility to hire
> and evaluate the Superintendent and monitor the
> system’s achievements, and
> offering Dr. Dale a four year contract renewal
> would recognize these
> achievements.
> The motion to renew the employment contract for
> Jack D. Dale, Division
> Superintendent, effective September 10, 2009,
> through June 30, 2013, passed
> 7-3-1: Ms. Bradsher, Mr. Center, Mr. Gibson, Mr.
> Raney, Mrs. Smith, Mrs.
> Strauss, and Mrs. Wilson voted “ayeâ€; Ms.
> Hone, Mrs. Kory, and Mr. Storck voted
> “nayâ€; Mr. Moon abstained; with the Providence
> district seat vacant.
"and Ms. Bradsher seconded" to give him that pay increase why teachers went without. That woman is so far from being a fiscal conservative it is ridiculous.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Gov. Christie NJ today explaining a county
> superintendent gaming the system.
> Isn't this what Jack Dale did in Sept. 09 before
> the budget shortfall hit the fan? So glad I pay
> $100 for every kid, every sport, every time.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ1n6Y_uWAI
>
> FCPS School Board votes on Jacks new contract:
> (which increased pay 8%):
>
> Sept. 10, 2009 SB Meeting #34
> Agenda Item:
>
> Superintendent’s Contract - Renew the employment
> contract for Jack D. Dale,
> Division Superintendent, effective September 10,
> 2009, through June 30, 2013
> (SB; presented as new business 7/23/09; Exhibit
> F)
> Mr. Gibson moved, and Ms. Bradsher seconded, to
> renew the employment
> contract for Jack D. Dale, Division
> Superintendent, effective September 10, 2009,
> through June 30, 2013.
> FAIRFAX COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD
> Regular Meeting No. 3 4 September 10, 2009
> Discussion and comments included the following:
> under the Board’s strategic
> governance model, the student achievement goals
> and operational expectations
> monitoring reports were presented throughout the
> year and were the basis for the
> Superintendent’s performance evaluation; over
> the past three years, over 1,000
> pages of monitoring report data had been presented
> to the Board and the
> community, which were based on 55 Board-approved
> measures; student
> academic achievement in FCPS was at an all-time
> high as a result of Dr. Dale’s
> leadership over the past five years, as FCPS
> continued to rank among the top
> school systems in the nation; a four year contract
> renewal would ensure that
> continuity of leadership; it was crucial that the
> Board and Dr. Dale continue to
> work together, with Leadership Team members,
> principals, teachers, parents,
> community members, and students, as everyone faced
> another grim budget
> year; the proposed contract contained no increase
> in salary or benefits; concern
> expressed about the community’s confidence in
> the Board and the
> Superintendent, and that offering a three year
> contract would allow the current
> Board to consider any further renewal in 2011,
> instead of a newly-elected Board
> having that responsibility in 2012; there was
> community misunderstanding about
> the role of strategic governance that needed to be
> resolved, and a
> communications plan was needed; it was the School
> Board’s responsibility to hire
> and evaluate the Superintendent and monitor the
> system’s achievements, and
> offering Dr. Dale a four year contract renewal
> would recognize these
> achievements.
> The motion to renew the employment contract for
> Jack D. Dale, Division
> Superintendent, effective September 10, 2009,
> through June 30, 2013, passed
> 7-3-1: Ms. Bradsher, Mr. Center, Mr. Gibson, Mr.
> Raney, Mrs. Smith, Mrs.
> Strauss, and Mrs. Wilson voted “ayeâ€; Ms.
> Hone, Mrs. Kory, and Mr. Storck voted
> “nayâ€; Mr. Moon abstained; with the Providence
> district seat vacant.
"and Ms. Bradsher seconded" to give him that pay increase why teachers went without. That woman is so far from being a fiscal conservative it is ridiculous.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Just askin'
()
Date: November 11, 2010 05:00PM
I am not defending Dale, but the posts above say:
"the proposed contract contained no increase in salary or benefits;"
So why are some people saying Dale got an 8% raise?
"the proposed contract contained no increase in salary or benefits;"
So why are some people saying Dale got an 8% raise?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
so sick of the FCSB
()
Date: November 11, 2010 08:57PM
I went to a meeting last night at Clifton elementary and it was such a joke. The rep from the SB said we needed to come up with some NEW ideas to keep Clifton open. FU! Leave our school alone.
And I am tired of everyone who does NOT live in Clifton saying we are snobs. We pay are fair share and more in taxes. We could send our kids to private school if we wanted but we love Clifton elementary.
If the other parents in FCPS care about their kids they should care about ours. We all want a good education for our kids. Send some ESL students if need be, we would love to have them.
Thanks for letting me vent.
And I am tired of everyone who does NOT live in Clifton saying we are snobs. We pay are fair share and more in taxes. We could send our kids to private school if we wanted but we love Clifton elementary.
If the other parents in FCPS care about their kids they should care about ours. We all want a good education for our kids. Send some ESL students if need be, we would love to have them.
Thanks for letting me vent.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
"Community Dialogue"
()
Date: November 12, 2010 03:56PM
Starting reading the "Community Dialogue" comments and these are just a few of them. There are over 800+ pages of comments like the ones below. Yet, this past Monday at the School Board work session, Liz B. and Dean T. reported that the community engagement was going very well, and according to Dean, "It's excellent".
YOU'VE GOT TO BE F$*&^%$ KIDDING ME!!!!! Have they read any of the comments?? Which, BTW, are NOT all from Clifton parents, but from the entire Boundary Study area.
We want an "Option D" that keeps Clifton open. The costs of the "required" renovations at Clifton were less than the proposed additions, and we want to see how much less the impact is to surrounding communities if Clifton stays open. And, we want it from a 3rd party. The majority of the current School Board can't be trusted. How they can possibly move forward with this BS when the majority of the parents that attended these meetings say they are a joke, is beyond me.
I hope the Clifton folks win their lawsuit. What the School Board did in closing that school is just wrong.
The rest of the comments are here: http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/communitydialogueforms.pdf
and here: http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/communitydialoguefeedbackforms.pdf
What factors influenced your decision on the ranking above?
I believe this study is flawed and doesn't give taxpayers enough info regarding high school boundary changes
and overall costs.
Additional comments:
Why did you close Clifton if you have overcrowding in the system. Seems like a stupid decision. Shouldn't you
have redistricted some of the Colin Powell students and sent them to Clifton rather then keep a 10 room
modular unit there?
Additional comments:
All 3 options make it even more confusing why an early decision was made to close an elementary school before
doing the boundary studies. What would the options and overcrowding and boundary study look like if Clifton
wasn't closed? Same question if a new school were to be built. That is a study that should be done to determine
the long term affects to the western FFX county school zone and where the Capital $'s woudl actually be best
utilized so you don't have to go through this process again in another 10 years.
What factors influenced your decision on the ranking above?
106% school utilization is not a good learning environment. I imagine by the way the summary is explained that
this is the option you are already looking for because it is the option that has the least overcrowding and the
least over utilization of buildings. In all scenarios, how are you going to achieve a good learning environment
and deal wtih the physical impact on facilities caused by overcrowding. How are you balancing the free and
reduced lunch ratio so that all schools have similar balances, rather than concentrating those in one school or
area as seems to be the case elsewhere.
What factors influenced your decision on the ranking above?
The closing of Clifton Elementary School does not make sense, given the boundary study outcome and creates
unnecessary impacts to so many school children.
Additional comments:
I'm embarrassed for the FCPS Board members. The work product delivered in support of this feedback cycle is
horrible. No substantive cost data along with not achieving building utilization anywhere near 95â€105 percent in
ALL elementary schools in the study area is a joke. Glad I wasn't one of the hundreds of citizens that wasted 2
hours on Monday or Tuesday to sit through this.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE F$*&^%$ KIDDING ME!!!!! Have they read any of the comments?? Which, BTW, are NOT all from Clifton parents, but from the entire Boundary Study area.
We want an "Option D" that keeps Clifton open. The costs of the "required" renovations at Clifton were less than the proposed additions, and we want to see how much less the impact is to surrounding communities if Clifton stays open. And, we want it from a 3rd party. The majority of the current School Board can't be trusted. How they can possibly move forward with this BS when the majority of the parents that attended these meetings say they are a joke, is beyond me.
I hope the Clifton folks win their lawsuit. What the School Board did in closing that school is just wrong.
The rest of the comments are here: http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/communitydialogueforms.pdf
and here: http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/communitydialoguefeedbackforms.pdf
What factors influenced your decision on the ranking above?
I believe this study is flawed and doesn't give taxpayers enough info regarding high school boundary changes
and overall costs.
Additional comments:
Why did you close Clifton if you have overcrowding in the system. Seems like a stupid decision. Shouldn't you
have redistricted some of the Colin Powell students and sent them to Clifton rather then keep a 10 room
modular unit there?
Additional comments:
All 3 options make it even more confusing why an early decision was made to close an elementary school before
doing the boundary studies. What would the options and overcrowding and boundary study look like if Clifton
wasn't closed? Same question if a new school were to be built. That is a study that should be done to determine
the long term affects to the western FFX county school zone and where the Capital $'s woudl actually be best
utilized so you don't have to go through this process again in another 10 years.
What factors influenced your decision on the ranking above?
106% school utilization is not a good learning environment. I imagine by the way the summary is explained that
this is the option you are already looking for because it is the option that has the least overcrowding and the
least over utilization of buildings. In all scenarios, how are you going to achieve a good learning environment
and deal wtih the physical impact on facilities caused by overcrowding. How are you balancing the free and
reduced lunch ratio so that all schools have similar balances, rather than concentrating those in one school or
area as seems to be the case elsewhere.
What factors influenced your decision on the ranking above?
The closing of Clifton Elementary School does not make sense, given the boundary study outcome and creates
unnecessary impacts to so many school children.
Additional comments:
I'm embarrassed for the FCPS Board members. The work product delivered in support of this feedback cycle is
horrible. No substantive cost data along with not achieving building utilization anywhere near 95â€105 percent in
ALL elementary schools in the study area is a joke. Glad I wasn't one of the hundreds of citizens that wasted 2
hours on Monday or Tuesday to sit through this.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SayWHAT?!
()
Date: November 17, 2010 01:03PM
Dr. Evil's MiniMe and SCB skewer
ANOTHER Fairfax County resident
and member of the Planning Study.
Evil trolls.
Attachments:
ANOTHER Fairfax County resident
and member of the Planning Study.
Evil trolls.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
yupper
()
Date: November 17, 2010 01:22PM
"Community Dialogue" Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> We want an "Option D" that keeps Clifton open.
Unfortunately, many of us disagree with Option D and want that dump full of elitists' kids shut down once and for all.
And we vote.
www.shutdowncliftonES.org
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> We want an "Option D" that keeps Clifton open.
Unfortunately, many of us disagree with Option D and want that dump full of elitists' kids shut down once and for all.
And we vote.
www.shutdowncliftonES.org
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Elite mom in Clifton
()
Date: November 17, 2010 01:40PM
To: Yupper I hope the lawsuit keeps the school open. Plus I would not want my children going to a school if it has parents like you in it. We pay a lot in taxes and we love our little school.
PS You also sound like you are green with envy that you cannot afford to live in Clifton.
HA HA
PS You also sound like you are green with envy that you cannot afford to live in Clifton.
HA HA
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: November 17, 2010 03:49PM
What exactly was "Charlie's missive"?
Yupper - Some day you or your kids will get rolled by a bunch of political cronies who have nothing better to do than sing each other's praises. Enjoy being a pathetic troll while you can.
Yupper - Some day you or your kids will get rolled by a bunch of political cronies who have nothing better to do than sing each other's praises. Enjoy being a pathetic troll while you can.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
stay calm
()
Date: November 17, 2010 03:51PM
Elite mom in Clifton Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> To: Yupper I hope the lawsuit keeps the school
> open. Plus I would not want my children going to a
> school if it has parents like you in it. We pay a
> lot in taxes and we love our little school.
>
> PS You also sound like you are green with envy
> that you cannot afford to live in Clifton.
> HA HA
Not Yupper here, but this comment from "Elite mom in Clifton" is what not to say or post if you want to be a better person around Fairfax County. Especially the last line. "...green with envy that you cannot afford to live in Clifton HA HA" ??? Seriously immature and bitchy. Please do Clifton Elementary a favor and keep your mouth shut and your pathetic attitude off the internet.
-------------------------------------------------------
> To: Yupper I hope the lawsuit keeps the school
> open. Plus I would not want my children going to a
> school if it has parents like you in it. We pay a
> lot in taxes and we love our little school.
>
> PS You also sound like you are green with envy
> that you cannot afford to live in Clifton.
> HA HA
Not Yupper here, but this comment from "Elite mom in Clifton" is what not to say or post if you want to be a better person around Fairfax County. Especially the last line. "...green with envy that you cannot afford to live in Clifton HA HA" ??? Seriously immature and bitchy. Please do Clifton Elementary a favor and keep your mouth shut and your pathetic attitude off the internet.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
slubdawg
()
Date: November 17, 2010 04:04PM
stay calm, that post that you commented probably wasn't by anyone from Clifton anyway, probably just some troll trying to stir the pot.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: November 17, 2010 04:10PM
yupper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "Community Dialogue" Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > We want an "Option D" that keeps Clifton open.
>
> Unfortunately, many of us disagree with Option D
> and want that dump full of elitists' kids shut
> down once and for all.
>
> And we vote.
>
> www.shutdowncliftonES.org
Yupper,
Glad everyone is focused on facts here and not emotion. That is after all what got us here, FCPS thought everyone was emotional. Turns out that FCPS Staff (Dean T.) and Board, Liz and Stu in particular appear quite emotional.
Have you ever been to the school while it is in session? I'm interested to know where you drew your conclusion regarding 'elite' attitudes embedded in elementary school aged children came from if you have never step foot in the school. Oh, and if you consider Clifton Elementary a dump, might I offer up several other middle and high schools in the eastern half and central portion of Fairfax County as prime examples of ones in tremendous states of disrepair.
Fact is, assuming you are a Fairfax County taxpayer, we as taxpayers are going to pay $20M to address overcrowding in the southwester portion of Fairfax County and the overcrowding problem is not going to improve. It is going to get worse. Closing Clifton simply adds to the challenges. I'm sure the families at Fairview and Union Mill who currently enjoy non-overcrowded schools are going to be thrilled when in less than 10 months their schools will be overflowing because of hte influx of Clifton students. Fairview will likely be well over 115% capacity if Clifton closes at the end of this academic year as it appears FCPS is scheduled to execute. That doesn't seem like a responsible solution for a school community that today has no overcrowding at Fairview.
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> "Community Dialogue" Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > We want an "Option D" that keeps Clifton open.
>
> Unfortunately, many of us disagree with Option D
> and want that dump full of elitists' kids shut
> down once and for all.
>
> And we vote.
>
> www.shutdowncliftonES.org
Yupper,
Glad everyone is focused on facts here and not emotion. That is after all what got us here, FCPS thought everyone was emotional. Turns out that FCPS Staff (Dean T.) and Board, Liz and Stu in particular appear quite emotional.
Have you ever been to the school while it is in session? I'm interested to know where you drew your conclusion regarding 'elite' attitudes embedded in elementary school aged children came from if you have never step foot in the school. Oh, and if you consider Clifton Elementary a dump, might I offer up several other middle and high schools in the eastern half and central portion of Fairfax County as prime examples of ones in tremendous states of disrepair.
Fact is, assuming you are a Fairfax County taxpayer, we as taxpayers are going to pay $20M to address overcrowding in the southwester portion of Fairfax County and the overcrowding problem is not going to improve. It is going to get worse. Closing Clifton simply adds to the challenges. I'm sure the families at Fairview and Union Mill who currently enjoy non-overcrowded schools are going to be thrilled when in less than 10 months their schools will be overflowing because of hte influx of Clifton students. Fairview will likely be well over 115% capacity if Clifton closes at the end of this academic year as it appears FCPS is scheduled to execute. That doesn't seem like a responsible solution for a school community that today has no overcrowding at Fairview.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Clifton elementary?
()
Date: November 17, 2010 04:15PM
I think Yupper is really Liz Bradsher. Also known as the Sounth County Bitch. Oh I mean *Witch.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
traffic in Fairfax if Clifton closes
()
Date: November 17, 2010 04:22PM
In some of the boundry studies it looks as though some kids will be on the bus for almost an hour. I know a lot of parents are going to get on the roads and drive their kids to school. Sangster,Union Mill, and Fairview. Traffic is going to be a nightmare for all. Happy commuting thru Clifton.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FCPS School Board (ish)
()
Date: November 17, 2010 04:30PM
L-A-A-D-I-E-S A-N-D G-E-N-T-L-E-M-E-N!
The Great Swami Lizdini will now fulfill all your omniscient needs!
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Strauss, Jane (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 7/7/2010 9:21:28 AM
Subject: RE: Thanks!
Attachments:
I don't really see young families moving into Clifton--the prices are too high and most want amenities that neighborhoods afford. It is a limited # of consumers who can afford and want a Clifton environment.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Attachments:
The Great Swami Lizdini will now fulfill all your omniscient needs!
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Strauss, Jane (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 7/7/2010 9:21:28 AM
Subject: RE: Thanks!
Attachments:
I don't really see young families moving into Clifton--the prices are too high and most want amenities that neighborhoods afford. It is a limited # of consumers who can afford and want a Clifton environment.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to yupper
()
Date: November 17, 2010 05:07PM
Yupper: The elite in Clifton do not use Clifton Elementary. The elite in CLifton send their kids to private school. The not so well off go to Clifton Elementary. Just wanted to set you straight.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mathalicious
()
Date: November 17, 2010 05:26PM
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
RiddleMeThis
()
Date: November 17, 2010 05:36PM
It's ridiculous to think that Liz Bradsher knows anything about how many people will move in or out of Clifton. If she knew anything about real estate, she couldn't possibly have been in favor of building Silverbrook ES, an unneeded school that is now seriously under capacity.
She was only about doing her friends favors and trying to fill her own coffers for future political campaigns. It's tough to be the biggest hypocrite ever to have served on the School Board, but she nevertheless easily takes the title.
She was only about doing her friends favors and trying to fill her own coffers for future political campaigns. It's tough to be the biggest hypocrite ever to have served on the School Board, but she nevertheless easily takes the title.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
ROTFL
()
Date: November 17, 2010 05:49PM
http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/elizabeth-bradsher-on-fairfax-station
LIz B. recently did an interview for Patch. It's riveting! I never realized how educated this woman is. She is incredibly informed about Fairfax Station. Fascinating!
Seriously, check it out.
LIz B. recently did an interview for Patch. It's riveting! I never realized how educated this woman is. She is incredibly informed about Fairfax Station. Fascinating!
Seriously, check it out.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Can't stand FCSB
()
Date: November 17, 2010 05:54PM
One of the schools the Clifton students will be sent to is Sangster. That is in SPRINGFIELD. I am talking about homes on Henderson and into Fairfax Station going to Sangster. Really? I can only think it is to raise the SOL scores for Sangster. This is an outrage! I hope the judge in the case sides to keep Clifton open.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
the interview with Liz Bradsher
()
Date: November 17, 2010 06:01PM
Thank you ROTFL: Liz Bradsher is one stupid bitch. Holy cow how did she get on the SB. Wait till eveyone gets a load on that interview. She is so dumb. Wake up Fairfax this is who you have running YOUR county. Please look at the interview. You will die!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
JonathanSwift
()
Date: November 17, 2010 07:08PM
ROTFL Wrote:
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> http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/elizabeth
> -bradsher-on-fairfax-station
>
> LIz B. recently did an interview for Patch. It's
> riveting! I never realized how educated this
> woman is. She is incredibly informed about
> Fairfax Station. Fascinating!
>
> Seriously, check it out.
Is Patch like The Onion? Because this is hilarious, "I can see Clifton from my window"-type stuff that can't possibly be real.
Either that, or Bradsher is one of the dumbest people ever to have held elected office in Virginia.
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> http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/elizabeth
> -bradsher-on-fairfax-station
>
> LIz B. recently did an interview for Patch. It's
> riveting! I never realized how educated this
> woman is. She is incredibly informed about
> Fairfax Station. Fascinating!
>
> Seriously, check it out.
Is Patch like The Onion? Because this is hilarious, "I can see Clifton from my window"-type stuff that can't possibly be real.
Either that, or Bradsher is one of the dumbest people ever to have held elected office in Virginia.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
ROTFL
()
Date: November 17, 2010 08:53PM
"I can see Clifton from my window"
+1
+1
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
HolyCrap
()
Date: November 17, 2010 09:36PM
A direct - though inaccurate - quote from the article:
"If you go up to New Jersey and New York there's little townships like Hackensack, Morristown and Hoboken: They're all little townships. Even on Long Island you have the little towns.
But here we have a county and we don't really have little towns within the county. We just have areas, such as the Reston Town Center. It's an area, but it's not really a township. It doesn't have a city hall. It doesn't have its own fire department. It doesn't have its own schools.
So it differs very much. The pie is bigger, yet all that wealth has to be spread around a greater population."
So this is what Liz sounds like when Rob Robertory isn't scripting her every comment? Someone better stop her before she gets Reston Town Center Middle School built.
"If you go up to New Jersey and New York there's little townships like Hackensack, Morristown and Hoboken: They're all little townships. Even on Long Island you have the little towns.
But here we have a county and we don't really have little towns within the county. We just have areas, such as the Reston Town Center. It's an area, but it's not really a township. It doesn't have a city hall. It doesn't have its own fire department. It doesn't have its own schools.
So it differs very much. The pie is bigger, yet all that wealth has to be spread around a greater population."
So this is what Liz sounds like when Rob Robertory isn't scripting her every comment? Someone better stop her before she gets Reston Town Center Middle School built.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Focus on the Facts
()
Date: November 17, 2010 10:52PM
Fact: the water is fine
Fact: the enrollment is *NOT* declining
Fact: cost to renovate is not too high
We are wasting time talking about all of this other stuff... e.g. Clifton is/isn't "elite" - THAT DOESN'T MATTER - Clifton residents PAY TAXES LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. And as per the progressive tax system, if we are supposedly so "rich"...then we pay even more taxes. So everyone out there who is complaining that we "don't deserve a school" - SHUT UP. We deserve a school just as much as any other tax payer in the county.
Focus on the facts. Stop calling us "elite". Stop saying we don't deserve a school within reasonable distance of our homes. Come on, folks, we are all Fairfax County residents here. I can't imagine saying that someone in Great Falls or McLean doesn't deserve a school just because it's an affluent community - that's absurd!
Fact: the enrollment is *NOT* declining
Fact: cost to renovate is not too high
We are wasting time talking about all of this other stuff... e.g. Clifton is/isn't "elite" - THAT DOESN'T MATTER - Clifton residents PAY TAXES LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. And as per the progressive tax system, if we are supposedly so "rich"...then we pay even more taxes. So everyone out there who is complaining that we "don't deserve a school" - SHUT UP. We deserve a school just as much as any other tax payer in the county.
Focus on the facts. Stop calling us "elite". Stop saying we don't deserve a school within reasonable distance of our homes. Come on, folks, we are all Fairfax County residents here. I can't imagine saying that someone in Great Falls or McLean doesn't deserve a school just because it's an affluent community - that's absurd!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Call Mensa
()
Date: November 18, 2010 03:04AM
JonathanSwift Wrote:
> Is Patch like The Onion? Because this is
> hilarious, "I can see Clifton from my window"-type
> stuff that can't possibly be real.
>
> Either that, or Bradsher is one of the dumbest
> people ever to have held elected office in
> Virginia.
Here's our Mensa candidate:
Attachments:
> Is Patch like The Onion? Because this is
> hilarious, "I can see Clifton from my window"-type
> stuff that can't possibly be real.
>
> Either that, or Bradsher is one of the dumbest
> people ever to have held elected office in
> Virginia.
Here's our Mensa candidate:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
boundary screwed
()
Date: November 18, 2010 05:18AM
must hurry and pack kids' lunches - can't forget to add the all american drink:
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to focus on the facts
()
Date: November 18, 2010 07:56AM
TO focus on the facts:
You are right on with everything you said. Thank you for your common sense.
You are right on with everything you said. Thank you for your common sense.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Duff68
()
Date: November 18, 2010 08:05AM
@Focus on the Facts:
You do deserve a school. Depending where you live in Clifton next year that school will be Fairview, Sangster or Union Mill.
I pay taxes too - on a 5000sq.ft. house on 5 acres in Fairfax Station - my kids have been "suffering" at Fairview for years.
You do deserve a school. Depending where you live in Clifton next year that school will be Fairview, Sangster or Union Mill.
I pay taxes too - on a 5000sq.ft. house on 5 acres in Fairfax Station - my kids have been "suffering" at Fairview for years.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LongTimeFairviewParent
()
Date: November 18, 2010 08:20AM
Your kids may not be "suffering" yet. Just wait until next year when they add 100+ more kids to Fairview and put it overcapacity. I can only imagine what it will do to the Burke Centre/123 intersection during rush hour.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
question for Duff68
()
Date: November 18, 2010 08:23AM
Why has you child been suffering for years at Fairview? That is the school my child will attend next year after they close Clifton?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Duff68
()
Date: November 18, 2010 08:41AM
They have NOT been suffering at Fairview. I was being sarcastic because the Clifton Elementary School parents are fighting so hard to keep their school open and indirectly (in my opinion) that is sending the message they don't want to attend other schools in the area. I have been very happy with Fairview as are many parents.
I won't have to worry about the overcrowding at Fairview. In all three boundary options we are being moved to Oakview.
I won't have to worry about the overcrowding at Fairview. In all three boundary options we are being moved to Oakview.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Duff68
()
Date: November 18, 2010 09:04AM
Let me clarify my previous message with..
Instead of worrying about the overcrowdinng at Faiview I will have to worry about the overcrowding at Oak View.
Instead of worrying about the overcrowdinng at Faiview I will have to worry about the overcrowding at Oak View.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To Duff68 - more facts
()
Date: November 18, 2010 09:10AM
Duff68 Wrote:
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> They have NOT been suffering at Fairview. I was
> being sarcastic because the Clifton Elementary
> School parents are fighting so hard to keep their
> school open and indirectly (in my opinion) that is
> sending the message they don't want to attend
> other schools in the area. I have been very happy
> with Fairview as are many parents.
Another mis-perception is that we don't want our kids to attend other schools because we think they are sub-par. That is unfortunate as well... I personally don't have anything against the other schools in the area. Believe me, we don't spend our time discussing how HORRIBLE Fairview, Sangster, and Union Mill are.
We're saddened/outraged by the fact that we spent a year bringing facts to the FCPS staff and school board that were COMPLETELY IGNORED. We were kicked in the gut and we're not happy about it. Oh, and let's not forget... even if Fairview, Sangster, and Union Mill are STELLAR schools, our kids will get SPLIT UP - different MS/HS, everything. The boundary study is insane. And closing a school to solve overcrowding is also downright stupid.
"Having other good schools in the area" is NOT a compelling reason to close a school. Why don't we just close Fairview and cram those kids into Clifton, Terra Centre, Bonnie Brae, and Sangster? Why don't we close Bonnie Brae and push those kids around? There are schools all over the place, I frankly don't understand the argument of "there are other good schools, so people get over the closure of yours."
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> They have NOT been suffering at Fairview. I was
> being sarcastic because the Clifton Elementary
> School parents are fighting so hard to keep their
> school open and indirectly (in my opinion) that is
> sending the message they don't want to attend
> other schools in the area. I have been very happy
> with Fairview as are many parents.
Another mis-perception is that we don't want our kids to attend other schools because we think they are sub-par. That is unfortunate as well... I personally don't have anything against the other schools in the area. Believe me, we don't spend our time discussing how HORRIBLE Fairview, Sangster, and Union Mill are.
We're saddened/outraged by the fact that we spent a year bringing facts to the FCPS staff and school board that were COMPLETELY IGNORED. We were kicked in the gut and we're not happy about it. Oh, and let's not forget... even if Fairview, Sangster, and Union Mill are STELLAR schools, our kids will get SPLIT UP - different MS/HS, everything. The boundary study is insane. And closing a school to solve overcrowding is also downright stupid.
"Having other good schools in the area" is NOT a compelling reason to close a school. Why don't we just close Fairview and cram those kids into Clifton, Terra Centre, Bonnie Brae, and Sangster? Why don't we close Bonnie Brae and push those kids around? There are schools all over the place, I frankly don't understand the argument of "there are other good schools, so people get over the closure of yours."
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to Duff68
()
Date: November 18, 2010 09:36AM
Why are your kids being moved to Oak View? And how do you feel about it since you like Fairview? I am confused why all these kids are being moved around. Don't you feel Clifton should be kept open so your schools will not be over 100% full?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Duff68
()
Date: November 18, 2010 09:58AM
I understand you point about closing other schools however the push now is to have bigger schools (more economical). The other schools in the area have more students and have room to add even more classrooms and unfortunately Clifton doesn't have the room to add on. They are not closing it "because there are other good schools in the area."
As for being split up - it isn't just a Clifton school - parts of Fairfax Station go there, too. Parts of Clifton go to Union Mill. So it really isn't a "community" school. Why are only parts of Clifton and Fairfax Station entitled to a "community school?"
I am not sure why we are being switched to Oak View. I will probably like it just as much as Fairview.
As for being split up - it isn't just a Clifton school - parts of Fairfax Station go there, too. Parts of Clifton go to Union Mill. So it really isn't a "community" school. Why are only parts of Clifton and Fairfax Station entitled to a "community school?"
I am not sure why we are being switched to Oak View. I will probably like it just as much as Fairview.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: November 18, 2010 10:28AM
Duff68 Wrote:
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> I understand you point about closing other schools
> however the push now is to have bigger schools
> (more economical). The other schools in the area
> have more students and have room to add even more
> classrooms and unfortunately Clifton doesn't have
> the room to add on. They are not closing it
> "because there are other good schools in the
> area."
> As for being split up - it isn't just a Clifton
> school - parts of Fairfax Station go there, too.
> Parts of Clifton go to Union Mill. So it really
> isn't a "community" school. Why are only parts of
> Clifton and Fairfax Station entitled to a
> "community school?"
>
> I am not sure why we are being switched to Oak
> View. I will probably like it just as much as
> Fairview.
FCPS just renovated Vienna ES and Franklin Sherman ES, each of which is close to Clifton in size.
There is no consistency at all in the School Board's statements as to the appropriate size of Fairfax schools. They want you to believe right now that elementary schools should have approximately 900 students, just like they claimed during the South Lakes redistricting that every high school should have 2000 students. Wait a few years after they've completed this redistricting and these statements will be ignored, if not forgotten.
You sound like a good sport who goes with the flow, and probably makes the best of any situation, but other people have legitimate gripes with the decision to close Clifton.
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> I understand you point about closing other schools
> however the push now is to have bigger schools
> (more economical). The other schools in the area
> have more students and have room to add even more
> classrooms and unfortunately Clifton doesn't have
> the room to add on. They are not closing it
> "because there are other good schools in the
> area."
> As for being split up - it isn't just a Clifton
> school - parts of Fairfax Station go there, too.
> Parts of Clifton go to Union Mill. So it really
> isn't a "community" school. Why are only parts of
> Clifton and Fairfax Station entitled to a
> "community school?"
>
> I am not sure why we are being switched to Oak
> View. I will probably like it just as much as
> Fairview.
FCPS just renovated Vienna ES and Franklin Sherman ES, each of which is close to Clifton in size.
There is no consistency at all in the School Board's statements as to the appropriate size of Fairfax schools. They want you to believe right now that elementary schools should have approximately 900 students, just like they claimed during the South Lakes redistricting that every high school should have 2000 students. Wait a few years after they've completed this redistricting and these statements will be ignored, if not forgotten.
You sound like a good sport who goes with the flow, and probably makes the best of any situation, but other people have legitimate gripes with the decision to close Clifton.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to LongtimeFairviewparent
()
Date: November 18, 2010 10:38AM
My child is slated to go to Fairview from Clifton elementary. I am fine with that if we lose the lawsuit. My question to you is if I drive my kids to school(I live near St Clairs church on Henderson) how long would it take me in the morning?
PS I am going to drive them since I don't like having them take the bus in the AM. My younger son (age 6) says the bus driver is mean and the kids are a little out of control.
PS I am going to drive them since I don't like having them take the bus in the AM. My younger son (age 6) says the bus driver is mean and the kids are a little out of control.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LongTimeFairviewParent
()
Date: November 18, 2010 11:18AM
I don't know how long it will take you as I live in the same area as Duff68. We come at Fairview opposite of traffic so our drive is 10mins max. It does not look like a pleasant drive as you will be hitting 123 just before 8am going with traffic.
We are slotted for Oak View on all 3 options due to trying to make room for the Clifton kids who will be moving there. However, there was a strong argument made to the school board at our last PTA meeting to keep us at Fairview due to busing routes. It makes little sense to send a 1/2 filled bus to Fairview only to pass our homes while our kids get on a 1/2 filled bus to travel farther to Oak View.
Funny thing is that we live just as close to Clifton ES as we do Fairview ES but now they want to send us even farther away.
We are slotted for Oak View on all 3 options due to trying to make room for the Clifton kids who will be moving there. However, there was a strong argument made to the school board at our last PTA meeting to keep us at Fairview due to busing routes. It makes little sense to send a 1/2 filled bus to Fairview only to pass our homes while our kids get on a 1/2 filled bus to travel farther to Oak View.
Funny thing is that we live just as close to Clifton ES as we do Fairview ES but now they want to send us even farther away.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Grossed Out Granny
()
Date: November 18, 2010 11:20AM
Duff68 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> They have NOT been suffering at Fairview. I was
> being sarcastic because the Clifton Elementary
> School parents are fighting so hard to keep their
> school open and indirectly (in my opinion) that is
> sending the message they don't want to attend
> other schools in the area. I have been very happy
> with Fairview as are many parents.
>
> I won't have to worry about the overcrowding at
> Fairview. In all three boundary options we are
> being moved to Oakview.
Granny says "You are not out of the woods - and be afraid of the big bad wolf."
The three option FCPS has given to the community are the wolf's disguise {not the options that will get picked}. The surprise is coming dear Duff - in the next two options.
And your Granny wouldn't be happy to hear you say "As long as I am fine, it doesn't matter what happens to my neighbor." I will bet your Granny was pretty big on the old Golden Rule.
If FCPS came to you and said close Fairview (it's just as old as Clifton) and we will make up where your children go later, you would hardly be so cavalier.
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
imprisoned from 1941 to April 1945, Dachau
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> They have NOT been suffering at Fairview. I was
> being sarcastic because the Clifton Elementary
> School parents are fighting so hard to keep their
> school open and indirectly (in my opinion) that is
> sending the message they don't want to attend
> other schools in the area. I have been very happy
> with Fairview as are many parents.
>
> I won't have to worry about the overcrowding at
> Fairview. In all three boundary options we are
> being moved to Oakview.
Granny says "You are not out of the woods - and be afraid of the big bad wolf."
The three option FCPS has given to the community are the wolf's disguise {not the options that will get picked}. The surprise is coming dear Duff - in the next two options.
And your Granny wouldn't be happy to hear you say "As long as I am fine, it doesn't matter what happens to my neighbor." I will bet your Granny was pretty big on the old Golden Rule.
If FCPS came to you and said close Fairview (it's just as old as Clifton) and we will make up where your children go later, you would hardly be so cavalier.
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
imprisoned from 1941 to April 1945, Dachau
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to Grossed Out Granny
()
Date: November 18, 2010 11:53AM
As a Clifton parent I want to say THANK YOU for you insight. I only wish others cared as much as you do.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Duff68
()
Date: November 18, 2010 11:59AM
@Grossed out Granny
I never said I was for or against closing Clifton. I lean more to keeping if open however I don't necessary agree with the reasons the Clifton community is giving for why they feel it should remain open. Bottom line is the school board wants to close it because it only has capacity for about 400 students with no space/ability to renovate it. (If this isn't true someone please let me know) As someone else stated the School Board wants elemntary schools to have a capacity of 900 students which I also don't agree with and is very unfortunate for the future of our children.
Actually Fairview is much older than Clifton. It started out as a one room school house that has been added onto for over 100 years with the ability to add to it even more.
I never said I was for or against closing Clifton. I lean more to keeping if open however I don't necessary agree with the reasons the Clifton community is giving for why they feel it should remain open. Bottom line is the school board wants to close it because it only has capacity for about 400 students with no space/ability to renovate it. (If this isn't true someone please let me know) As someone else stated the School Board wants elemntary schools to have a capacity of 900 students which I also don't agree with and is very unfortunate for the future of our children.
Actually Fairview is much older than Clifton. It started out as a one room school house that has been added onto for over 100 years with the ability to add to it even more.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
confused
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Date: November 18, 2010 12:09PM
None of this makes any sense. If you look at the facts, closing Clifton will end up costing more $$$$ for everyone in the County, and add to the overcrowding.
So this is what I don't get.
Why is it that so many people are okay with their tax dollars being squandered, and their schools being forced into this overcrowding fiasco when it's not necessary?
All of the reasons given by the School Board to close Clifton have turned out to be false. Closing the school forces even more schools to become overcrowded and more students to be moved around. Why is that okay when it's not necessary?
And if it's not okay with you, what are you doing about it?
Regardless of where in SW Boundary Study region you live, closing Clifton is having a direct impact on ALL of our schools in terms of creating even more overcrowding. Maybe not immediately, but they will become overcrowded relatively quickly if we're all at max capacity as growth continues in this region. Then what? We do this again in a few years and the School Board realizes they should have kept Clifton open?
I for one would like to see new options with Clifton open. With Clifton open, you could remove the entire bottom half of the Boundary Study maps, along with a few other schools as well.
So this is what I don't get.
Why is it that so many people are okay with their tax dollars being squandered, and their schools being forced into this overcrowding fiasco when it's not necessary?
All of the reasons given by the School Board to close Clifton have turned out to be false. Closing the school forces even more schools to become overcrowded and more students to be moved around. Why is that okay when it's not necessary?
And if it's not okay with you, what are you doing about it?
Regardless of where in SW Boundary Study region you live, closing Clifton is having a direct impact on ALL of our schools in terms of creating even more overcrowding. Maybe not immediately, but they will become overcrowded relatively quickly if we're all at max capacity as growth continues in this region. Then what? We do this again in a few years and the School Board realizes they should have kept Clifton open?
I for one would like to see new options with Clifton open. With Clifton open, you could remove the entire bottom half of the Boundary Study maps, along with a few other schools as well.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to Duff68
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Date: November 18, 2010 12:13PM
You can add on to Clifton by going up. (just one idea) We would love Fairview students to come and join us at our great school. Just look at our test scores and how nice everyone is. And please do not go by what the SB says. The have lied over and over again. Just look up Liz Bradsher as an example.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to Duff68
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Date: November 18, 2010 12:19PM
Actually, there is room at Clifton to add on and the Clifton community would welcome that option as a means to help SOLVE the overcrowding. It would not have cost anymore than the various additions that will have to be done at surrounding schools, bringing them close to 1000 students.
As you stated, that is very unfortunate for the future of our children.
Just out of curiosity, what reasons by the Clifton community do you not agree with? From what I've seen/read, their reasons sound, well, reasonable.
As you stated, that is very unfortunate for the future of our children.
Just out of curiosity, what reasons by the Clifton community do you not agree with? From what I've seen/read, their reasons sound, well, reasonable.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to Duff68
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Date: November 18, 2010 01:41PM
Duff68 Wrote:
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> unfortunately Clifton doesn't have
> the room to add on.
I respectfully disagree. A general contractor who builds schools and churches put forth a comprehensive plan to expand Clifton. We wanted to be part of the solution, not to add to the problem.
http://www.fcps.edu/DIT/streaming/06-28-10schoolboardmeeting.asx
Look at approx. 1hr,14 mins into it.
I'm not an expert, but this man is. Do you have a background in building/architecture/engineering that makes you so confident in your assertion the Clifton doesn't have room to expand?
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> unfortunately Clifton doesn't have
> the room to add on.
I respectfully disagree. A general contractor who builds schools and churches put forth a comprehensive plan to expand Clifton. We wanted to be part of the solution, not to add to the problem.
http://www.fcps.edu/DIT/streaming/06-28-10schoolboardmeeting.asx
Look at approx. 1hr,14 mins into it.
I'm not an expert, but this man is. Do you have a background in building/architecture/engineering that makes you so confident in your assertion the Clifton doesn't have room to expand?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Duff68
()
Date: November 18, 2010 02:37PM
My initial post was regarding the comments made by "Focus on the Facts" at 10:52pm on 11/17/10.
"We are wasting time talking about all of this other stuff... e.g. Clifton is/isn't "elite" - THAT DOESN'T MATTER - Clifton residents PAY TAXES LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. And as per the progressive tax system, if we are supposedly so "rich"...then we pay even more taxes. So everyone out there who is complaining that we "don't deserve a school" - SHUT UP. We deserve a school just as much as any other tax payer in the county."
Do you all feel this is an appropriate comment to make? Is this the message you want to get out to people? I felt I needed to respond to this whether I am for or against the closing of Clifton.
Instead of attacking me I would think you would try to get the message out to people on what is happening. No - I am not an expert on closing schools and I didn't claim to be. I had heard one of the reasons for closing Clifton was there is no room to expand it and I wrote "CORRECT me if I am wrong" as someone nicely responded there is room to go up while you felt the need to attack instead of inform.
I am not for closing Clifton however I don't think claiming Clifton is entitled to a community school is the way to go about it. (You should be focusing on the overcrowding at the other schools). If Clifton keeps their community school shoud Ffx Sta get a community school? What about Burke?
"We are wasting time talking about all of this other stuff... e.g. Clifton is/isn't "elite" - THAT DOESN'T MATTER - Clifton residents PAY TAXES LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. And as per the progressive tax system, if we are supposedly so "rich"...then we pay even more taxes. So everyone out there who is complaining that we "don't deserve a school" - SHUT UP. We deserve a school just as much as any other tax payer in the county."
Do you all feel this is an appropriate comment to make? Is this the message you want to get out to people? I felt I needed to respond to this whether I am for or against the closing of Clifton.
Instead of attacking me I would think you would try to get the message out to people on what is happening. No - I am not an expert on closing schools and I didn't claim to be. I had heard one of the reasons for closing Clifton was there is no room to expand it and I wrote "CORRECT me if I am wrong" as someone nicely responded there is room to go up while you felt the need to attack instead of inform.
I am not for closing Clifton however I don't think claiming Clifton is entitled to a community school is the way to go about it. (You should be focusing on the overcrowding at the other schools). If Clifton keeps their community school shoud Ffx Sta get a community school? What about Burke?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to Clifton being entitled
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Date: November 18, 2010 02:53PM
to Duff68: The community of Clifton does feel ENTITLED. Clifton is already up and running and has been for years. We do NOT want a new school. We just think it is stupid to close our school to solve the overcrowding. Nothing more nothing less. Why should ALL of South County kids be moved around when you could just keep Clifton open. And yes we would love to have more kids join our school.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to Duff68
()
Date: November 18, 2010 03:02PM
**DOES NOT FEEL ENTITLED. My mistake.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
not entitled, double crossed
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Date: November 18, 2010 04:12PM
I don't think we feel entitled, I think we feel double crossed. As you or anyone else would in our shoes. The SB, Liz Bradsher in particular, lied to us for a year.
The fact is, had the SB been able to prove to us that it was in the best interest of taxpayers and students to close the school, we would have been able to accept that, and make the best of a sad situation. We're not unreasonable. We are intelligent people and contrary to popular belief, we're not so selfish that we can't understand logic.
But the "facts" put forth by the SB as reasons to close Clifton were all false. Every single one of them. As a community, we presented cost efficient options to the SB that would help SOLVE the overcrowding, including bringing in students from the areas closer to the overcrowding. The SB's response was that in order to expand CES, they would have to bring in students from Little Rocky Run, and they were not at all comfortable disrupting that community. No offense to LRR, but how is there any less disruption now?
The facts support keeping Clifton open, for the sake of taxpayers and the greater SW Region which is now undergoing MAJOR changes as a result of closing Clifton.
I'm sorry if you (Duff68) feel attacked. Sincerely, I am. We are a passionate bunch on this subject. Some express it a little more than others.
The bottom line is that closing Clifton is not going to save taxpayers any money, and only adds additional students to the overcrowding. That is the point that we are trying to make. But we can scream it from the rooftops 24/7 and it does absolutely NO good if we (clifton) are the only ones screaming it.
If you don't agree that Clifton should close, regardless of whether or not your kids attend CES, you should make that known to the School Board and the Board of Supervisors. The SB is recklessly spending our tax dollars by closing a school to solve overcrowding. I still don't understand how that works. Close a school to solve overcrowding??
You have to understand, for over a year, Liz Bradsher told Clifton if you solve problem X, you'll be okay. Oh, problem solved? Yeah, well, now we have problem Y. Oh, really, a solution for that too, huh? Hmmm, well, here's problem Z. (if you're a Dr. Suess fan, I just can't help think of the Cat in the Hat Comes back and little cat Z. Sorry, I digress.) Anyway, you get the point. It was one thing after another, and every single one of the "problems" were false. Not to mention the fact that the SB changed the game at the 11th hour and changed the decision from Close Clifton and Build a New School, to Close Clifton and figure it out later, or ????. There was never any intention of keeping the school open, which became painfully clear after the FOIA emails came out.
So, please excuse those of us that get a bit passionate about this cause. We've screamed for a really long time, only to be ignored.
If Clifton is the only community objecting, the SB is not going to listen. If surrounding communities take a stand and say, wait a minute! We want different options, with Clifton open - let's see exactly how much of an impact closing this school has on surrounding boundaries! We (meaning Clifton and surrounding communities) might actually have a voice in this boundary study.
As it is now, the SB thinks the boundary study is going just fine. In fact, Liz B. recently said it was going very well, and Dean T. said the process was excellent. (really?) New options will be presented and you'll be given the opportunity to rate these options online. Then there will be a public hearing, and then the vote on which boundary map is going to be chosen. End of discussion.
Unless you speak up now. You can't wait until the public hearing. By then it is too late. And yes, you have to be VOCAL. Unfortunately, if you want to be heard, you have to make yourself heard. And we do think that every community deserves to keep their community schools. Ffx. Sta. and Burke both have several community schools, and each one of them is important to their community. Clifton has one. We're not asking for improvements, or a new building. We simply asking to keep what is already there unless there is a logical reason not to. So far, there haven't been any logical reasons presented.
Save $$$? Not when you end up having to do several additions to surrounding schools and add transportation.
Problem with the water? The final water report came in AFTER the vote, and the water is fine.
Declining population? Nope.
The fact is, had the SB been able to prove to us that it was in the best interest of taxpayers and students to close the school, we would have been able to accept that, and make the best of a sad situation. We're not unreasonable. We are intelligent people and contrary to popular belief, we're not so selfish that we can't understand logic.
But the "facts" put forth by the SB as reasons to close Clifton were all false. Every single one of them. As a community, we presented cost efficient options to the SB that would help SOLVE the overcrowding, including bringing in students from the areas closer to the overcrowding. The SB's response was that in order to expand CES, they would have to bring in students from Little Rocky Run, and they were not at all comfortable disrupting that community. No offense to LRR, but how is there any less disruption now?
The facts support keeping Clifton open, for the sake of taxpayers and the greater SW Region which is now undergoing MAJOR changes as a result of closing Clifton.
I'm sorry if you (Duff68) feel attacked. Sincerely, I am. We are a passionate bunch on this subject. Some express it a little more than others.
The bottom line is that closing Clifton is not going to save taxpayers any money, and only adds additional students to the overcrowding. That is the point that we are trying to make. But we can scream it from the rooftops 24/7 and it does absolutely NO good if we (clifton) are the only ones screaming it.
If you don't agree that Clifton should close, regardless of whether or not your kids attend CES, you should make that known to the School Board and the Board of Supervisors. The SB is recklessly spending our tax dollars by closing a school to solve overcrowding. I still don't understand how that works. Close a school to solve overcrowding??
You have to understand, for over a year, Liz Bradsher told Clifton if you solve problem X, you'll be okay. Oh, problem solved? Yeah, well, now we have problem Y. Oh, really, a solution for that too, huh? Hmmm, well, here's problem Z. (if you're a Dr. Suess fan, I just can't help think of the Cat in the Hat Comes back and little cat Z. Sorry, I digress.) Anyway, you get the point. It was one thing after another, and every single one of the "problems" were false. Not to mention the fact that the SB changed the game at the 11th hour and changed the decision from Close Clifton and Build a New School, to Close Clifton and figure it out later, or ????. There was never any intention of keeping the school open, which became painfully clear after the FOIA emails came out.
So, please excuse those of us that get a bit passionate about this cause. We've screamed for a really long time, only to be ignored.
If Clifton is the only community objecting, the SB is not going to listen. If surrounding communities take a stand and say, wait a minute! We want different options, with Clifton open - let's see exactly how much of an impact closing this school has on surrounding boundaries! We (meaning Clifton and surrounding communities) might actually have a voice in this boundary study.
As it is now, the SB thinks the boundary study is going just fine. In fact, Liz B. recently said it was going very well, and Dean T. said the process was excellent. (really?) New options will be presented and you'll be given the opportunity to rate these options online. Then there will be a public hearing, and then the vote on which boundary map is going to be chosen. End of discussion.
Unless you speak up now. You can't wait until the public hearing. By then it is too late. And yes, you have to be VOCAL. Unfortunately, if you want to be heard, you have to make yourself heard. And we do think that every community deserves to keep their community schools. Ffx. Sta. and Burke both have several community schools, and each one of them is important to their community. Clifton has one. We're not asking for improvements, or a new building. We simply asking to keep what is already there unless there is a logical reason not to. So far, there haven't been any logical reasons presented.
Save $$$? Not when you end up having to do several additions to surrounding schools and add transportation.
Problem with the water? The final water report came in AFTER the vote, and the water is fine.
Declining population? Nope.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to Duff68-not attacking
()
Date: November 18, 2010 04:58PM
Duff68 Wrote:
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> My initial post was regarding the comments made by
> "Focus on the Facts" at 10:52pm on 11/17/10.
>
> "We are wasting time talking about all of this
> other stuff... e.g. Clifton is/isn't "elite" -
> THAT DOESN'T MATTER - Clifton residents PAY TAXES
> LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. And as per the progressive tax
> system, if we are supposedly so "rich"...then we
> pay even more taxes. So everyone out there who is
> complaining that we "don't deserve a school" -
> SHUT UP. We deserve a school just as much as any
> other tax payer in the county."
>
> Do you all feel this is an appropriate comment to
> make? Is this the message you want to get out to
> people? I felt I needed to respond to this whether
> I am for or against the closing of Clifton.
It is just as appropriate as someone calling us "elite" and saying that we don't deserve a school (it wasn't you), that we should stop whining, etc. We all try to be polite, but sometimes the comments are incendiary and elicit a strong response.
> Instead of attacking me I would think you would
> try to get the message out to people on what is
> happening. No - I am not an expert on closing
> schools and I didn't claim to be. I had heard one
> of the reasons for closing Clifton was there is no
> room to expand it and I wrote "CORRECT me if I am
> wrong" as someone nicely responded there is room
> to go up while you felt the need to attack instead
> of inform.
Agreed. Attacks are not necessary. Apologies that it came across so snarky (at the time didn't seem so but after re-read I can see it). I didn't feel it was that ATTACKING - I just thought maybe you had facts to back up your assertion - or that it was from some official source or something.
> I am not for closing Clifton however I don't think
> claiming Clifton is entitled to a community school
> is the way to go about it. (You should be
> focusing on the overcrowding at the other
> schools). If Clifton keeps their community school
> shoud Ffx Sta get a community school? What about
> Burke?
I think if you had been involved in this from the very beginning you might understand our perspective a bit more. *not attacking you*, just saying we have a long history with this and there is so much more to it than some people seem to realize - e.g. the mis-perception "those elite Clifton people... trying to save their precious "community" school.... don't think the other schools are good enough...etc, etc." Where's that cartoonist, anyway? we need a mythbuster cartoon or something. :-)
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> My initial post was regarding the comments made by
> "Focus on the Facts" at 10:52pm on 11/17/10.
>
> "We are wasting time talking about all of this
> other stuff... e.g. Clifton is/isn't "elite" -
> THAT DOESN'T MATTER - Clifton residents PAY TAXES
> LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. And as per the progressive tax
> system, if we are supposedly so "rich"...then we
> pay even more taxes. So everyone out there who is
> complaining that we "don't deserve a school" -
> SHUT UP. We deserve a school just as much as any
> other tax payer in the county."
>
> Do you all feel this is an appropriate comment to
> make? Is this the message you want to get out to
> people? I felt I needed to respond to this whether
> I am for or against the closing of Clifton.
It is just as appropriate as someone calling us "elite" and saying that we don't deserve a school (it wasn't you), that we should stop whining, etc. We all try to be polite, but sometimes the comments are incendiary and elicit a strong response.
> Instead of attacking me I would think you would
> try to get the message out to people on what is
> happening. No - I am not an expert on closing
> schools and I didn't claim to be. I had heard one
> of the reasons for closing Clifton was there is no
> room to expand it and I wrote "CORRECT me if I am
> wrong" as someone nicely responded there is room
> to go up while you felt the need to attack instead
> of inform.
Agreed. Attacks are not necessary. Apologies that it came across so snarky (at the time didn't seem so but after re-read I can see it). I didn't feel it was that ATTACKING - I just thought maybe you had facts to back up your assertion - or that it was from some official source or something.
> I am not for closing Clifton however I don't think
> claiming Clifton is entitled to a community school
> is the way to go about it. (You should be
> focusing on the overcrowding at the other
> schools). If Clifton keeps their community school
> shoud Ffx Sta get a community school? What about
> Burke?
I think if you had been involved in this from the very beginning you might understand our perspective a bit more. *not attacking you*, just saying we have a long history with this and there is so much more to it than some people seem to realize - e.g. the mis-perception "those elite Clifton people... trying to save their precious "community" school.... don't think the other schools are good enough...etc, etc." Where's that cartoonist, anyway? we need a mythbuster cartoon or something. :-)
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MommyLion
()
Date: November 19, 2010 01:50AM
FCPS Link for October 2010 enrollment figures:
http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:42:14589205414657::NO::P42_SCHOOL_YEAR,P42_CLUSTER_ID,P42_DIVISION_ID,P42_SCHOOL_ID:201011%2C1%2CDIVISION%2C
Duff: " it only has capacity for about 400 students with no space/ability to renovate it. (If this isn't true someone please let me know)"
Duff, for Clifton:
FCPS Design Capacity: 536 students
FCPS Program Capacity: 374 students
There IS space to renovate and ability to renovate and to add capacity.
Attachments:
http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:42:14589205414657::NO::P42_SCHOOL_YEAR,P42_CLUSTER_ID,P42_DIVISION_ID,P42_SCHOOL_ID:201011%2C1%2CDIVISION%2C
Duff: " it only has capacity for about 400 students with no space/ability to renovate it. (If this isn't true someone please let me know)"
Duff, for Clifton:
FCPS Design Capacity: 536 students
FCPS Program Capacity: 374 students
There IS space to renovate and ability to renovate and to add capacity.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Got Bradsher'd
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Date: November 19, 2010 10:06AM
Hey kids!
Liz Bradsher says no water bottles in elementary school, otherwise it's gonna be...
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Liz Bradsher says no water bottles in elementary school, otherwise it's gonna be...
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Read This "SayWhat?!"
()
Date: November 19, 2010 11:42AM
SayWHAT?! Wrote:
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> Dr. Evil's MiniMe and SCB skewer
> ANOTHER Fairfax County resident
> and member of the Planning Study.
>
> Evil trolls.
Hey, SayWhat - so right - is there anyone left in the county Liz Bradsher hasn't insulted, called to 'cripple at the knees', harrassed, intimidated?
Now she's smearing the Dept of Zoning and the History Commission. And she wonders how she got her nickname. Go figure.
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> Dr. Evil's MiniMe and SCB skewer
> ANOTHER Fairfax County resident
> and member of the Planning Study.
>
> Evil trolls.
Hey, SayWhat - so right - is there anyone left in the county Liz Bradsher hasn't insulted, called to 'cripple at the knees', harrassed, intimidated?
Now she's smearing the Dept of Zoning and the History Commission. And she wonders how she got her nickname. Go figure.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
2Cents
()
Date: November 19, 2010 09:00PM
What bothers me about this thread is that everyone here keeps looking at everything from a short-sighted point of view or one-sided argument. What current capacities are or what the ideal school size should be. The simple fact and big picture is that the overall population in this area is going to continue to grow, not decrease. Closing any school in this area for any reason is nothing but short-sighted and irresponsible.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sigmund
()
Date: November 19, 2010 09:15PM
to Duff68: The community of Clifton does feel ENTITLED...
to Duff68 Wrote:
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> **DOES NOT FEEL ENTITLED. My mistake.
Ever heard of the term "Freudian Slip"? I think you may be guilty of one here...
to Duff68 Wrote:
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> **DOES NOT FEEL ENTITLED. My mistake.
Ever heard of the term "Freudian Slip"? I think you may be guilty of one here...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MommyLion
()
Date: November 20, 2010 04:10AM
Open mouth, insert foot.
"I wanted the School Board to see the school, the needs in the school.
Well, that never happened. What the school board saw were all these people."
http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/elizabeth-bradsher-on-clifton-elementary-school
Apparently Liz Bradsher misunderstood the job description School Board member - she thought she was representing the SCHOOLS.
Bonus:
OK. You're a Republican?
No.
You're a Democrat?
Maybe.
"I wanted the School Board to see the school, the needs in the school.
Well, that never happened. What the school board saw were all these people."
http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/elizabeth-bradsher-on-clifton-elementary-school
Apparently Liz Bradsher misunderstood the job description School Board member - she thought she was representing the SCHOOLS.
Bonus:
OK. You're a Republican?
No.
You're a Democrat?
Maybe.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
NOT entitled mom (to DUFF68)
()
Date: November 20, 2010 07:25AM
ie: My Fruedian slip. That was a good one! LOL.
If you met me I am down to earth and only want what is best for ALL the students.
If you met me I am down to earth and only want what is best for ALL the students.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
tilly
()
Date: November 20, 2010 07:51AM
Wow. Quoting Liz Bradsher:
"They couldn't concentrate on the HVAC system. They couldn't concentrate on the fact that there was no water suppression system in the school in case of a fire. They couldn't concentrate on the size of the rooms and the problematic issues that the size of the rooms brought forth to education. They couldn't concentrate on the fact that it's on a ridge, it's a high above on a ridge, and that parking is not adequate."
"The Clifton residents never wanted to listen."
"The rest of the county is looking at them..."
What arrogance. Liz Bradsher has certainly not been listening to anyone except her own gigantic ego. The rest of the county is looking at HER, and seeing what a hideous representative is like. She never pauses long enough to examine her own motives, does she?
The spew about the sizes of the rooms and the "problematic issues that the size of the rooms brought forth to education"--REALLY now, that is simply a bunch of jargon. If the students are learning well in the school as it currently is, how is the room size a problem? She is conjuring up anything to throw into the problem list. TJ has never been renovated, but the kids there seem to learn just fine, even in their moldy trailers.
Did Liz Bradsher target Clifton Elementary because that's where Pat Herrity lives?
"They couldn't concentrate on the HVAC system. They couldn't concentrate on the fact that there was no water suppression system in the school in case of a fire. They couldn't concentrate on the size of the rooms and the problematic issues that the size of the rooms brought forth to education. They couldn't concentrate on the fact that it's on a ridge, it's a high above on a ridge, and that parking is not adequate."
"The Clifton residents never wanted to listen."
"The rest of the county is looking at them..."
What arrogance. Liz Bradsher has certainly not been listening to anyone except her own gigantic ego. The rest of the county is looking at HER, and seeing what a hideous representative is like. She never pauses long enough to examine her own motives, does she?
The spew about the sizes of the rooms and the "problematic issues that the size of the rooms brought forth to education"--REALLY now, that is simply a bunch of jargon. If the students are learning well in the school as it currently is, how is the room size a problem? She is conjuring up anything to throw into the problem list. TJ has never been renovated, but the kids there seem to learn just fine, even in their moldy trailers.
Did Liz Bradsher target Clifton Elementary because that's where Pat Herrity lives?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Duff
()
Date: November 20, 2010 08:12AM
I didn't write the "freudian slip" post!!
I see how easily someone can "pretend" to be someone else on here by using their moniker so I won't be posting on here any more. So any other posts on here by Duff is NOT me.
I am FOR keeping Clifton open. I have signed petitions and bid on online auction items. I just took offense by "Focus on the Facts" post and hastily responded to it.
I appreciate the people that took the time to post messages regarding the facts. That it is possible to add an addition (I had heard differently). I am glad you have had the chance to clear it up. Also school size - there are a lot of "small" schools in Fairfax County (again I didn't realize this so I am glad now I know) - so the SB giving these reasons to close Clifton is ridiculous!!
I am sorry if I ruffled any feathers but I do think some good information has gotten out there due to your responses to my posts.
As for my being wishy/washy about getting kicked out of Fairview. For the most part I am not happy about it however switching to Oak View puts us in a different school pyramid and our middle school and high school MIGHT (or might not) change. Some people are happy about this and others are not. I am happy about it.
Let me repeat....I do want Clifton to remain open!!! I AGREE closing Clifton is ridiculous when we already have a problem with overcrowding.
I see how easily someone can "pretend" to be someone else on here by using their moniker so I won't be posting on here any more. So any other posts on here by Duff is NOT me.
I am FOR keeping Clifton open. I have signed petitions and bid on online auction items. I just took offense by "Focus on the Facts" post and hastily responded to it.
I appreciate the people that took the time to post messages regarding the facts. That it is possible to add an addition (I had heard differently). I am glad you have had the chance to clear it up. Also school size - there are a lot of "small" schools in Fairfax County (again I didn't realize this so I am glad now I know) - so the SB giving these reasons to close Clifton is ridiculous!!
I am sorry if I ruffled any feathers but I do think some good information has gotten out there due to your responses to my posts.
As for my being wishy/washy about getting kicked out of Fairview. For the most part I am not happy about it however switching to Oak View puts us in a different school pyramid and our middle school and high school MIGHT (or might not) change. Some people are happy about this and others are not. I am happy about it.
Let me repeat....I do want Clifton to remain open!!! I AGREE closing Clifton is ridiculous when we already have a problem with overcrowding.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
nail on the head
()
Date: November 20, 2010 10:07AM
tilly wrote:
"What arrogance. Liz Bradsher has certainly not been listening to anyone except her own gigantic ego. The rest of the county is looking at HER, and seeing what a hideous representative is like. She never pauses long enough to examine her own motives, does she?"
+1,000,000
"What arrogance. Liz Bradsher has certainly not been listening to anyone except her own gigantic ego. The rest of the county is looking at HER, and seeing what a hideous representative is like. She never pauses long enough to examine her own motives, does she?"
+1,000,000
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: November 20, 2010 10:44AM
tilly Wrote:
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> Wow. Quoting Liz Bradsher:
>
> "They couldn't concentrate on the HVAC system.
> They couldn't concentrate on the fact that there
> was no water suppression system in the school in
> case of a fire. They couldn't concentrate on the
> size of the rooms and the problematic issues that
> the size of the rooms brought forth to education.
> They couldn't concentrate on the fact that it's
> on a ridge, it's a high above on a ridge, and that
> parking is not adequate."
>
> "The Clifton residents never wanted to listen."
> "The rest of the county is looking at them..."
>
Keep these interviews coming. They will make a great archive for case studies on narcissistic personalities.
I don't live in Clifton, but one can tell from many miles away this woman's a completely self-absorbed idiot with zero credibility. She's like one of these housewives on Bravo who is more than happy to self-destruct on national TV as long as it gives her more air time.
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> Wow. Quoting Liz Bradsher:
>
> "They couldn't concentrate on the HVAC system.
> They couldn't concentrate on the fact that there
> was no water suppression system in the school in
> case of a fire. They couldn't concentrate on the
> size of the rooms and the problematic issues that
> the size of the rooms brought forth to education.
> They couldn't concentrate on the fact that it's
> on a ridge, it's a high above on a ridge, and that
> parking is not adequate."
>
> "The Clifton residents never wanted to listen."
> "The rest of the county is looking at them..."
>
Keep these interviews coming. They will make a great archive for case studies on narcissistic personalities.
I don't live in Clifton, but one can tell from many miles away this woman's a completely self-absorbed idiot with zero credibility. She's like one of these housewives on Bravo who is more than happy to self-destruct on national TV as long as it gives her more air time.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
ScrewedUpGoals
()
Date: November 20, 2010 12:26PM
Skeptical Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> tilly Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wow. Quoting Liz Bradsher:
> >
> > "They couldn't concentrate on the HVAC system.
>
> > They couldn't concentrate on the fact that
> there
> > was no water suppression system in the school
> in
> > case of a fire. They couldn't concentrate on
> the
> > size of the rooms and the problematic issues
> that
> > the size of the rooms brought forth to
> education.
> > They couldn't concentrate on the fact that
> it's
> > on a ridge, it's a high above on a ridge, and
> that
> > parking is not adequate."
> >
The fact that Clifton Elementary is already an award winning school for educational achievement combined with Mrs. Bradsher's comments on the facilities (above) really has me total confused anymore on what FCPS thinks its real purpose is. Is it to have the best facilities or to provide quality education? From Mrs. Bradsher's comments, it appears her primary goal is to have the best facilities. She also seems to have no sense of the difference between "needs" and "wants".
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> tilly Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wow. Quoting Liz Bradsher:
> >
> > "They couldn't concentrate on the HVAC system.
>
> > They couldn't concentrate on the fact that
> there
> > was no water suppression system in the school
> in
> > case of a fire. They couldn't concentrate on
> the
> > size of the rooms and the problematic issues
> that
> > the size of the rooms brought forth to
> education.
> > They couldn't concentrate on the fact that
> it's
> > on a ridge, it's a high above on a ridge, and
> that
> > parking is not adequate."
> >
The fact that Clifton Elementary is already an award winning school for educational achievement combined with Mrs. Bradsher's comments on the facilities (above) really has me total confused anymore on what FCPS thinks its real purpose is. Is it to have the best facilities or to provide quality education? From Mrs. Bradsher's comments, it appears her primary goal is to have the best facilities. She also seems to have no sense of the difference between "needs" and "wants".
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: November 20, 2010 01:33PM
ScrewedUpGoals Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Skeptical Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > tilly Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Wow. Quoting Liz Bradsher:
> > >
> > > "They couldn't concentrate on the HVAC system.
>
> >
> > > They couldn't concentrate on the fact that
> > there
> > > was no water suppression system in the school
> > in
> > > case of a fire. They couldn't concentrate on
> > the
> > > size of the rooms and the problematic issues
> > that
> > > the size of the rooms brought forth to
> > education.
> > > They couldn't concentrate on the fact that
> > it's
> > > on a ridge, it's a high above on a ridge, and
> > that
> > > parking is not adequate."
> > >
>
>
> The fact that Clifton Elementary is already an
> award winning school for educational achievement
> combined with Mrs. Bradsher's comments on the
> facilities (above) really has me total confused
> anymore on what FCPS thinks its real purpose is.
> Is it to have the best facilities or to provide
> quality education? From Mrs. Bradsher's
> comments, it appears her primary goal is to have
> the best facilities. She also seems to have no
> sense of the difference between "needs" and
> "wants".
It's all transparently self-serving BS.
Bradsher ran and was elected to get new schools built in South County.
She paid no attention at the time to West Springfield HS, which was literally falling apart.
That eventually caught up with her, so the solution was to close Clifton ES and take money that would otherwise have been spent renovating Clifton to spend on West Springfield.
As a result, additions will now need to be built at several other schools in an already over-crowded part of the county.
It obviously will cost lots more money in the short-term, and probably over the long-term as well. However, because money spent on building additions is a separate budget line from money spent on renovations, Liz thought she could have her cake and eat it, too.
It didn't turn out that way, and now she's engaged in non-stop backpedding and spinning. Expect her to keep portraying the Clifton community as a bunch of spoiled locals who wanted others to subsidize their "private" school. Don't look for her to acknowledge that these same supposedly spoiled folks were willing to defer any renovations or accept something less than the "gold-plated" renovations that FCPS was making when times were flush.
The fact that she acknowleges that she doesn't know any more whether she's Republican or Democratic is an admission that she's now a total pariah. She should crawl under a rock for a few years, and re-emerge only if and when she's had a chance to reflect on her singularly appalling lack of grace and good judgment.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Skeptical Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > tilly Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Wow. Quoting Liz Bradsher:
> > >
> > > "They couldn't concentrate on the HVAC system.
>
> >
> > > They couldn't concentrate on the fact that
> > there
> > > was no water suppression system in the school
> > in
> > > case of a fire. They couldn't concentrate on
> > the
> > > size of the rooms and the problematic issues
> > that
> > > the size of the rooms brought forth to
> > education.
> > > They couldn't concentrate on the fact that
> > it's
> > > on a ridge, it's a high above on a ridge, and
> > that
> > > parking is not adequate."
> > >
>
>
> The fact that Clifton Elementary is already an
> award winning school for educational achievement
> combined with Mrs. Bradsher's comments on the
> facilities (above) really has me total confused
> anymore on what FCPS thinks its real purpose is.
> Is it to have the best facilities or to provide
> quality education? From Mrs. Bradsher's
> comments, it appears her primary goal is to have
> the best facilities. She also seems to have no
> sense of the difference between "needs" and
> "wants".
It's all transparently self-serving BS.
Bradsher ran and was elected to get new schools built in South County.
She paid no attention at the time to West Springfield HS, which was literally falling apart.
That eventually caught up with her, so the solution was to close Clifton ES and take money that would otherwise have been spent renovating Clifton to spend on West Springfield.
As a result, additions will now need to be built at several other schools in an already over-crowded part of the county.
It obviously will cost lots more money in the short-term, and probably over the long-term as well. However, because money spent on building additions is a separate budget line from money spent on renovations, Liz thought she could have her cake and eat it, too.
It didn't turn out that way, and now she's engaged in non-stop backpedding and spinning. Expect her to keep portraying the Clifton community as a bunch of spoiled locals who wanted others to subsidize their "private" school. Don't look for her to acknowledge that these same supposedly spoiled folks were willing to defer any renovations or accept something less than the "gold-plated" renovations that FCPS was making when times were flush.
The fact that she acknowleges that she doesn't know any more whether she's Republican or Democratic is an admission that she's now a total pariah. She should crawl under a rock for a few years, and re-emerge only if and when she's had a chance to reflect on her singularly appalling lack of grace and good judgment.
staff recommendations
Posted by:
questionable
()
Date: November 20, 2010 02:28PM
Did any of you ever think or conclude that staff is really the one's making the decisions here? More to the point, do you really think it wise that some elected official NOT follow a staff recommendation when staff is paid and looks at the school system facilities etc on a daily basis? This is what staff is paid for isn't it? I suspect if any of you had any real insight into what is going on here, you would think that what needs to be done is to get rid of Jack Dale since it is he who hires and maintains the staff. If a school board member has a problem with staffs numbers or recommendations, it seems to me that they need to change the staff and nothing more. I find it repugnant that everyone is dumping on the school board members, because they are not paid to look at facilities on a full time basis, staff is. Why on earth would they do something other than what staff recommended?
Re: staff recommendations
Posted by:
duh!
()
Date: November 20, 2010 02:46PM
questionable Wrote:
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> Did any of you ever think or conclude that staff
> is really the one's making the decisions here?
> More to the point, do you really think it wise
> that some elected official NOT follow a staff
> recommendation when staff is paid and looks at the
> school system facilities etc on a daily basis?
> This is what staff is paid for isn't it? I suspect
> if any of you had any real insight into what is
> going on here, you would think that what needs to
> be done is to get rid of Jack Dale since it is he
> who hires and maintains the staff. If a school
> board member has a problem with staffs numbers or
> recommendations, it seems to me that they need to
> change the staff and nothing more. I find it
> repugnant that everyone is dumping on the school
> board members, because they are not paid to look
> at facilities on a full time basis, staff is. Why
> on earth would they do something other than what
> staff recommended?
If you think for one minute that the SB is not directing the staff, think again. Yes, the staff makes the presentation to the School Board, but if you've read the FOIA'ed emails, you see pretty quickly that Liz B. and crew are directing the show. The "STAFF" is going to do whatever the Board and Dale tell them to do. If they don't do what they're told, they will lose their jobs!
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> Did any of you ever think or conclude that staff
> is really the one's making the decisions here?
> More to the point, do you really think it wise
> that some elected official NOT follow a staff
> recommendation when staff is paid and looks at the
> school system facilities etc on a daily basis?
> This is what staff is paid for isn't it? I suspect
> if any of you had any real insight into what is
> going on here, you would think that what needs to
> be done is to get rid of Jack Dale since it is he
> who hires and maintains the staff. If a school
> board member has a problem with staffs numbers or
> recommendations, it seems to me that they need to
> change the staff and nothing more. I find it
> repugnant that everyone is dumping on the school
> board members, because they are not paid to look
> at facilities on a full time basis, staff is. Why
> on earth would they do something other than what
> staff recommended?
If you think for one minute that the SB is not directing the staff, think again. Yes, the staff makes the presentation to the School Board, but if you've read the FOIA'ed emails, you see pretty quickly that Liz B. and crew are directing the show. The "STAFF" is going to do whatever the Board and Dale tell them to do. If they don't do what they're told, they will lose their jobs!
Re: staff recommendations
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: November 20, 2010 02:51PM
questionable Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Did any of you ever think or conclude that staff
> is really the one's making the decisions here?
> More to the point, do you really think it wise
> that some elected official NOT follow a staff
> recommendation when staff is paid and looks at the
> school system facilities etc on a daily basis?
> This is what staff is paid for isn't it? I suspect
> if any of you had any real insight into what is
> going on here, you would think that what needs to
> be done is to get rid of Jack Dale since it is he
> who hires and maintains the staff. If a school
> board member has a problem with staffs numbers or
> recommendations, it seems to me that they need to
> change the staff and nothing more. I find it
> repugnant that everyone is dumping on the school
> board members, because they are not paid to look
> at facilities on a full time basis, staff is. Why
> on earth would they do something other than what
> staff recommended?
You can't be serious. Or maybe you are, and are just misinformed.
By the way, Staff didn't want to build a separate middle school in South County. Bradsher convinced her cronies on the School Board like Tessie Wilson to reject the Staff's recommendations. She's been monkeying around with other schools ever since to deal with the consequences.
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> Did any of you ever think or conclude that staff
> is really the one's making the decisions here?
> More to the point, do you really think it wise
> that some elected official NOT follow a staff
> recommendation when staff is paid and looks at the
> school system facilities etc on a daily basis?
> This is what staff is paid for isn't it? I suspect
> if any of you had any real insight into what is
> going on here, you would think that what needs to
> be done is to get rid of Jack Dale since it is he
> who hires and maintains the staff. If a school
> board member has a problem with staffs numbers or
> recommendations, it seems to me that they need to
> change the staff and nothing more. I find it
> repugnant that everyone is dumping on the school
> board members, because they are not paid to look
> at facilities on a full time basis, staff is. Why
> on earth would they do something other than what
> staff recommended?
You can't be serious. Or maybe you are, and are just misinformed.
By the way, Staff didn't want to build a separate middle school in South County. Bradsher convinced her cronies on the School Board like Tessie Wilson to reject the Staff's recommendations. She's been monkeying around with other schools ever since to deal with the consequences.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Apologies to Tistadt?!
()
Date: November 20, 2010 08:16PM
so sorry to tistadt?
guess she represent the tistadt district. wonder if he will vote for her next year.
Attachments:
guess she represent the tistadt district. wonder if he will vote for her next year.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MollyCorbin
()
Date: November 20, 2010 10:03PM
After a successful Advance, need to begin focusing on who is an asset and who is not.
Was both surprised and disappointed by a forward with this quote:
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Sent: Tue Jul 06 22:50:29 2010
Subject: Checking in
Albo suggested I close the school and be sure PR afterwards supports such a decision.
Was both surprised and disappointed by a forward with this quote:
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Sent: Tue Jul 06 22:50:29 2010
Subject: Checking in
Albo suggested I close the school and be sure PR afterwards supports such a decision.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Decided???
()
Date: November 21, 2010 05:20AM
The Days of the the Lemming grow short.
The audacity to not be in lock step!
Attachments:
The audacity to not be in lock step!
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: November 21, 2010 09:15AM
Decided??? Wrote:
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> The Days of the the Lemming grow short.
> The audacity to not be in lock step!
So a respectful, thoughtful letter from a resident is met with a catty brush-off from Gibson. No surprise. Just what you'd expect from the West County Jerk and the South County Bitch. How dare people express a point of view different from their own.
Let's make sure they both are sent packing by next fall.
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> The Days of the the Lemming grow short.
> The audacity to not be in lock step!
So a respectful, thoughtful letter from a resident is met with a catty brush-off from Gibson. No surprise. Just what you'd expect from the West County Jerk and the South County Bitch. How dare people express a point of view different from their own.
Let's make sure they both are sent packing by next fall.
curious
Posted by:
confused
()
Date: November 21, 2010 10:01AM
Did you ever wonder why staff lumped the renovation of Clifton with the overcrowding in the southwest? Why assume that Clifton was going to stay open when you look to determine a new site for a new school and assume a differetn epicenter of overcrowding? Seems to me that it was predetermined by staff that it was best for Clifton to be closed. Perhaps they simply wanted to avoid the lawsuit when there was a fire without an adequate sprinkler system? I wonder whetehr the community would have sued the school system ahd tehre been a fire? They certainly seem to be willing to waste their time and money suing to keep a building in disrepair open.
Re: curious
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: November 21, 2010 11:20AM
confused Wrote:
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> Did you ever wonder why staff lumped the
> renovation of Clifton with the overcrowding in the
> southwest? Why assume that Clifton was going to
> stay open when you look to determine a new site
> for a new school and assume a differetn epicenter
> of overcrowding? Seems to me that it was
> predetermined by staff that it was best for
> Clifton to be closed. Perhaps they simply wanted
> to avoid the lawsuit when there was a fire without
> an adequate sprinkler system? I wonder whetehr the
> community would have sued the school system ahd
> tehre been a fire? They certainly seem to be
> willing to waste their time and money suing to
> keep a building in disrepair open.
Obviously if there's over-crowding in that part of the county and you're dithering over Clifton, you have to decide whether (1) it's going to be part of the solution or (2) close it, make the problem worse, and deal with the many consequences (large-scale redistricting). If you're trying to redirect funds to West Springfield HS, you want to redistrict high-performing kids at Clifton to other schools, and you don't care at all about what the community wants, it turns out it's not a very hard choice.
The lawsuit may not be successful, but it's not a waste; the judge has already said that it raises significant enough issues that he needed to defer the oral argument - now scheduled for Monday - so he could give the matter more attention.
And, even if the lawsuit fails, Liz Bradsher's political career is competely over, which is very good news.
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> Did you ever wonder why staff lumped the
> renovation of Clifton with the overcrowding in the
> southwest? Why assume that Clifton was going to
> stay open when you look to determine a new site
> for a new school and assume a differetn epicenter
> of overcrowding? Seems to me that it was
> predetermined by staff that it was best for
> Clifton to be closed. Perhaps they simply wanted
> to avoid the lawsuit when there was a fire without
> an adequate sprinkler system? I wonder whetehr the
> community would have sued the school system ahd
> tehre been a fire? They certainly seem to be
> willing to waste their time and money suing to
> keep a building in disrepair open.
Obviously if there's over-crowding in that part of the county and you're dithering over Clifton, you have to decide whether (1) it's going to be part of the solution or (2) close it, make the problem worse, and deal with the many consequences (large-scale redistricting). If you're trying to redirect funds to West Springfield HS, you want to redistrict high-performing kids at Clifton to other schools, and you don't care at all about what the community wants, it turns out it's not a very hard choice.
The lawsuit may not be successful, but it's not a waste; the judge has already said that it raises significant enough issues that he needed to defer the oral argument - now scheduled for Monday - so he could give the matter more attention.
And, even if the lawsuit fails, Liz Bradsher's political career is competely over, which is very good news.
Re: curious
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: November 21, 2010 12:33PM
confused Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Did you ever wonder why staff lumped the
> renovation of Clifton with the overcrowding in the
> southwest? Why assume that Clifton was going to
> stay open when you look to determine a new site
> for a new school and assume a differetn epicenter
> of overcrowding? Seems to me that it was
> predetermined by staff that it was best for
> Clifton to be closed. Perhaps they simply wanted
> to avoid the lawsuit when there was a fire without
> an adequate sprinkler system? I wonder whetehr the
> community would have sued the school system ahd
> tehre been a fire? They certainly seem to be
> willing to waste their time and money suing to
> keep a building in disrepair open.
First, you're absolutely right about the decision to close CES being predetermined, so why waste a year of taxpayer time and money putting on the dog and pony show "studying" this issue? Why put the Clifton community through a year of wasting time and energy researching options that would save the County money and help solve the overcrowding along the Rt. 50/29 corridor with CES open if they already knew they were going to close the school?
Secondly, there are over 20 other schools in the system that don't have sprinkler systems. Are they going to close ALL of those schools to avoid a future lawsuit? Are those parents "bad parents" because they're not overly concerned about a fire breaking out at their school?
Third, the building is not in disrepair. Another misconception perpetuated by the School Board. Is the building older than some in the County? Of course. But,so are many others. Fairview and Burke School are just 2 examples. Both are older than CES. Are they in disrepair just because they're old?
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> Did you ever wonder why staff lumped the
> renovation of Clifton with the overcrowding in the
> southwest? Why assume that Clifton was going to
> stay open when you look to determine a new site
> for a new school and assume a differetn epicenter
> of overcrowding? Seems to me that it was
> predetermined by staff that it was best for
> Clifton to be closed. Perhaps they simply wanted
> to avoid the lawsuit when there was a fire without
> an adequate sprinkler system? I wonder whetehr the
> community would have sued the school system ahd
> tehre been a fire? They certainly seem to be
> willing to waste their time and money suing to
> keep a building in disrepair open.
First, you're absolutely right about the decision to close CES being predetermined, so why waste a year of taxpayer time and money putting on the dog and pony show "studying" this issue? Why put the Clifton community through a year of wasting time and energy researching options that would save the County money and help solve the overcrowding along the Rt. 50/29 corridor with CES open if they already knew they were going to close the school?
Secondly, there are over 20 other schools in the system that don't have sprinkler systems. Are they going to close ALL of those schools to avoid a future lawsuit? Are those parents "bad parents" because they're not overly concerned about a fire breaking out at their school?
Third, the building is not in disrepair. Another misconception perpetuated by the School Board. Is the building older than some in the County? Of course. But,so are many others. Fairview and Burke School are just 2 examples. Both are older than CES. Are they in disrepair just because they're old?
Re: curious
Posted by:
hahaha
()
Date: November 21, 2010 01:35PM
LOL
Your assumption that Liz will lose is based upon similar flawed data that the facilities provides. Question, how many voters elect SB members in Clifton area verse those in the West Springfield High School pool? Think about it. If you were a politician and had the choice, who are you going to please?
Additionally, while there may be other schools in FCPS system without sprinkler systems, are there others with the unique problem presented by being on well water when they come up in the que for renovations?
I only wish the families in Clifton lots of luck. I hope that they get what they paid for with the lawsuit. I think it might have been better spend trying to find savings for their children to go to private schools if the other schools they will attend are inferior as inferred here.
I have no doubt that the same individuals who are suing the school board would sue if their children were harmed in a fire or better yet damaged from the radon in the water. Oh wait the water quality is fine, just another misconception on the school board part, I guess.
Good luck on Monday. Perhaps not publishing the hearings will be enough to continue the suit, but in some ways I sure hope not.
Your assumption that Liz will lose is based upon similar flawed data that the facilities provides. Question, how many voters elect SB members in Clifton area verse those in the West Springfield High School pool? Think about it. If you were a politician and had the choice, who are you going to please?
Additionally, while there may be other schools in FCPS system without sprinkler systems, are there others with the unique problem presented by being on well water when they come up in the que for renovations?
I only wish the families in Clifton lots of luck. I hope that they get what they paid for with the lawsuit. I think it might have been better spend trying to find savings for their children to go to private schools if the other schools they will attend are inferior as inferred here.
I have no doubt that the same individuals who are suing the school board would sue if their children were harmed in a fire or better yet damaged from the radon in the water. Oh wait the water quality is fine, just another misconception on the school board part, I guess.
Good luck on Monday. Perhaps not publishing the hearings will be enough to continue the suit, but in some ways I sure hope not.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
About way more than Clifton
()
Date: November 21, 2010 02:53PM
Hello----
I live in West Springfield HS district and I AM NOT going to vote for Liz Bradsher. You are totally wrong if you think that I am going to "reward" her for her behavior because "I got mine". Sure, I would like to have WSHS renovated, but not at this "price". Corrupting the whole system is not worth any of it. If we all start being about ourselves, we will be about nothing. That goes for Clifton too. But I think the process itself (Liz, the SB, Dean, etc.) promoted this "me, me me" thinking on every side---is that the kind of system we really want? Yes, we are in the gutter and Liz certainly did everything she could to take us there.
I live in West Springfield HS district and I AM NOT going to vote for Liz Bradsher. You are totally wrong if you think that I am going to "reward" her for her behavior because "I got mine". Sure, I would like to have WSHS renovated, but not at this "price". Corrupting the whole system is not worth any of it. If we all start being about ourselves, we will be about nothing. That goes for Clifton too. But I think the process itself (Liz, the SB, Dean, etc.) promoted this "me, me me" thinking on every side---is that the kind of system we really want? Yes, we are in the gutter and Liz certainly did everything she could to take us there.
Re: curious
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: November 21, 2010 02:56PM
hahaha Wrote:
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> LOL
>
> Your assumption that Liz will lose is based upon
> similar flawed data that the facilities provides.
> Question, how many voters elect SB members in
> Clifton area verse those in the West Springfield
> High School pool? Think about it. If you were a
> politician and had the choice, who are you going
> to please?
>
> Additionally, while there may be other schools in
> FCPS system without sprinkler systems, are there
> others with the unique problem presented by being
> on well water when they come up in the que for
> renovations?
>
> I only wish the families in Clifton lots of luck.
> I hope that they get what they paid for with the
> lawsuit. I think it might have been better spend
> trying to find savings for their children to go to
> private schools if the other schools they will
> attend are inferior as inferred here.
>
> I have no doubt that the same individuals who are
> suing the school board would sue if their children
> were harmed in a fire or better yet damaged from
> the radon in the water. Oh wait the water quality
> is fine, just another misconception on the school
> board part, I guess.
>
> Good luck on Monday. Perhaps not publishing the
> hearings will be enough to continue the suit, but
> in some ways I sure hope not.
It's not an assumption that Liz will lose. It's essentially a given at this point. Neither party wants anything to do with her now. People in Clifton hate her, and people in West Springfield are embarassed by her clumsy advocacy on their behalf. You could hold a "Friends of Liz" party in a broom closet.
If Clifton ES was such a firetrap, it would have been taken off the renovation queue immediately after the Dogwood fire. All the supposed hazards only surfaced after Liz saw a chance to get her hands on $11 M and bump up renovations at West Springfield.
You sound almost as stupid as Stu Gibson.
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> LOL
>
> Your assumption that Liz will lose is based upon
> similar flawed data that the facilities provides.
> Question, how many voters elect SB members in
> Clifton area verse those in the West Springfield
> High School pool? Think about it. If you were a
> politician and had the choice, who are you going
> to please?
>
> Additionally, while there may be other schools in
> FCPS system without sprinkler systems, are there
> others with the unique problem presented by being
> on well water when they come up in the que for
> renovations?
>
> I only wish the families in Clifton lots of luck.
> I hope that they get what they paid for with the
> lawsuit. I think it might have been better spend
> trying to find savings for their children to go to
> private schools if the other schools they will
> attend are inferior as inferred here.
>
> I have no doubt that the same individuals who are
> suing the school board would sue if their children
> were harmed in a fire or better yet damaged from
> the radon in the water. Oh wait the water quality
> is fine, just another misconception on the school
> board part, I guess.
>
> Good luck on Monday. Perhaps not publishing the
> hearings will be enough to continue the suit, but
> in some ways I sure hope not.
It's not an assumption that Liz will lose. It's essentially a given at this point. Neither party wants anything to do with her now. People in Clifton hate her, and people in West Springfield are embarassed by her clumsy advocacy on their behalf. You could hold a "Friends of Liz" party in a broom closet.
If Clifton ES was such a firetrap, it would have been taken off the renovation queue immediately after the Dogwood fire. All the supposed hazards only surfaced after Liz saw a chance to get her hands on $11 M and bump up renovations at West Springfield.
You sound almost as stupid as Stu Gibson.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Another WS resident
()
Date: November 21, 2010 03:05PM
About way more than Clifton Wrote:
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> Hello----
>
> I live in West Springfield HS district and I AM
> NOT going to vote for Liz Bradsher. You are
> totally wrong if you think that I am going to
> "reward" her for her behavior because "I got
> mine". Sure, I would like to have WSHS renovated,
> but not at this "price". Corrupting the whole
> system is not worth any of it. If we all start
> being about ourselves, we will be about nothing.
> That goes for Clifton too. But I think the
> process itself (Liz, the SB, Dean, etc.) promoted
> this "me, me me" thinking on every side---is that
> the kind of system we really want? Yes, we are
> in the gutter and Liz certainly did everything she
> could to take us there.
In complete agreement with this. Not sure what would give Liz Bradsher the idea that the West Springfield community would embrace this sleazy tactic of throwing another school under the bus and move WSHS up in the renovation queue. Who would even PRETEND to be impressed or pleased with this tactic?
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> Hello----
>
> I live in West Springfield HS district and I AM
> NOT going to vote for Liz Bradsher. You are
> totally wrong if you think that I am going to
> "reward" her for her behavior because "I got
> mine". Sure, I would like to have WSHS renovated,
> but not at this "price". Corrupting the whole
> system is not worth any of it. If we all start
> being about ourselves, we will be about nothing.
> That goes for Clifton too. But I think the
> process itself (Liz, the SB, Dean, etc.) promoted
> this "me, me me" thinking on every side---is that
> the kind of system we really want? Yes, we are
> in the gutter and Liz certainly did everything she
> could to take us there.
In complete agreement with this. Not sure what would give Liz Bradsher the idea that the West Springfield community would embrace this sleazy tactic of throwing another school under the bus and move WSHS up in the renovation queue. Who would even PRETEND to be impressed or pleased with this tactic?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SOARed
()
Date: November 21, 2010 06:16PM
Another WS resident Wrote:
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>
> In complete agreement with this. Not sure what
> would give Liz Bradsher the idea that the West
> Springfield community would embrace this sleazy
> tactic of throwing another school under the bus
> and move WSHS up in the renovation queue. Who
> would even PRETEND to be impressed or pleased with
> this tactic?
Maybe it was her many discussions with Erick Hawkins and others at SOAR, and their willingness when push came to shove to throw Clifton under the bus? Just a guess.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> In complete agreement with this. Not sure what
> would give Liz Bradsher the idea that the West
> Springfield community would embrace this sleazy
> tactic of throwing another school under the bus
> and move WSHS up in the renovation queue. Who
> would even PRETEND to be impressed or pleased with
> this tactic?
Maybe it was her many discussions with Erick Hawkins and others at SOAR, and their willingness when push came to shove to throw Clifton under the bus? Just a guess.
Re: curious
Posted by:
BurkeBaby
()
Date: November 21, 2010 07:52PM
confused Wrote:
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> Did you ever wonder why staff lumped the
> renovation of Clifton with the overcrowding in the
> southwest? Why assume that Clifton was going to
> stay open when you look to determine a new site
> for a new school and assume a differetn epicenter
> of overcrowding? Seems to me that it was
> predetermined by staff that it was best for
> Clifton to be closed. Perhaps they simply wanted
> to avoid the lawsuit when there was a fire without
> an adequate sprinkler system? I wonder whetehr the
> community would have sued the school system ahd
> tehre been a fire? They certainly seem to be
> willing to waste their time and money suing to
> keep a building in disrepair open.
Enough with the Dogwood saga - it burned to the freaking ground cuz the firemen didn't find the fire the FIRST time they went...coming back the SECOND time was too late.
The SB doesn't give a crap about the sprinkelers - that is another BS line - remember, Dogwood burned down a DECADE AGO. Where have all the drum beaters been in the last 10 yrs? Plus, there's other schools w/o sprinkelers.
All FCPS schools meet code - so SB, stop pushing off the blame for closing the school on Dogwood. It's just more lies we are sick to freaking death of hearing.
Zip it - and suck it up; you made a mistake. Find a way to save face, keep CES open and end your embarrassment.
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> Did you ever wonder why staff lumped the
> renovation of Clifton with the overcrowding in the
> southwest? Why assume that Clifton was going to
> stay open when you look to determine a new site
> for a new school and assume a differetn epicenter
> of overcrowding? Seems to me that it was
> predetermined by staff that it was best for
> Clifton to be closed. Perhaps they simply wanted
> to avoid the lawsuit when there was a fire without
> an adequate sprinkler system? I wonder whetehr the
> community would have sued the school system ahd
> tehre been a fire? They certainly seem to be
> willing to waste their time and money suing to
> keep a building in disrepair open.
Enough with the Dogwood saga - it burned to the freaking ground cuz the firemen didn't find the fire the FIRST time they went...coming back the SECOND time was too late.
The SB doesn't give a crap about the sprinkelers - that is another BS line - remember, Dogwood burned down a DECADE AGO. Where have all the drum beaters been in the last 10 yrs? Plus, there's other schools w/o sprinkelers.
All FCPS schools meet code - so SB, stop pushing off the blame for closing the school on Dogwood. It's just more lies we are sick to freaking death of hearing.
Zip it - and suck it up; you made a mistake. Find a way to save face, keep CES open and end your embarrassment.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: November 21, 2010 09:20PM
About way more than Clifton Wrote:
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> Hello----
>
> I live in West Springfield HS district and Yes, we are
> in the gutter
Maybe you should consider moving?
-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
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> Hello----
>
> I live in West Springfield HS district and Yes, we are
> in the gutter
Maybe you should consider moving?
-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
About way more than Clifton
()
Date: November 21, 2010 10:20PM
Dane Bramage---
Maybe you should consider not taking people's comments and chopping them up and putting them back together like you're doing a Photoshop. Go back and reread my post and you will see that the "we are in the gutter" line was not referring to West Springfield. I do think your brain has been terribly damaged.
Maybe you should consider not taking people's comments and chopping them up and putting them back together like you're doing a Photoshop. Go back and reread my post and you will see that the "we are in the gutter" line was not referring to West Springfield. I do think your brain has been terribly damaged.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: November 21, 2010 11:22PM
Here's what Liz had to say about the Clifton community's opposition to her leading the effort to close down their school:
"And it's hurt them in a way that they probably don't understand, because the rest of the county's looking at them and they're not responding to them, because they think that they've taken it too far."
Actually, Liz, the rest of the county is looking at you, and we are responding, because your behavior and your e-mails demonstrate that you're a political hack who put her own interests first. The best thing you could do is admit that a mistake has been made, and that it's in the best interests of the entire county to keep this school open.
"And it's hurt them in a way that they probably don't understand, because the rest of the county's looking at them and they're not responding to them, because they think that they've taken it too far."
Actually, Liz, the rest of the county is looking at you, and we are responding, because your behavior and your e-mails demonstrate that you're a political hack who put her own interests first. The best thing you could do is admit that a mistake has been made, and that it's in the best interests of the entire county to keep this school open.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
More Lies from Liz
()
Date: November 21, 2010 11:34PM
Here's another misleading quote from Liz Bradsher:
"I've have been told not to go into Clifton, due to reasons of physical safety for myself," Bradsher says. "It has been an eye opening experience for me to say the least."
She obviously doesn't want to have to explain her conduct to her own constituents. So she claims she's in physical danger and can't set foot in oh-so-dangerous Clifton.
Cry me a friggin' river, Liz. You rail and scream at 16-year-old kids who question your decisions, but can't deal with upset citizens.
"I've have been told not to go into Clifton, due to reasons of physical safety for myself," Bradsher says. "It has been an eye opening experience for me to say the least."
She obviously doesn't want to have to explain her conduct to her own constituents. So she claims she's in physical danger and can't set foot in oh-so-dangerous Clifton.
Cry me a friggin' river, Liz. You rail and scream at 16-year-old kids who question your decisions, but can't deal with upset citizens.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
diva Liz
()
Date: November 22, 2010 05:50AM
"I have been told not to go into Clifton, due to reasons of physical safety for myself," Bradsher says. "It has been an eye opening experience for me to say the least."
Now she paints herself as being a target for potential harm from angry Clifton residents? She's drowning in her own delusions of importance. Perhaps if she really had been able to "say the least" earlier in her career and LISTENED and UNDERSTOOD issues with more intelligence and wisdom, she would not be in this ridiculous situation of trying to appear like she still has value to the community.
Now she paints herself as being a target for potential harm from angry Clifton residents? She's drowning in her own delusions of importance. Perhaps if she really had been able to "say the least" earlier in her career and LISTENED and UNDERSTOOD issues with more intelligence and wisdom, she would not be in this ridiculous situation of trying to appear like she still has value to the community.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: November 22, 2010 09:49AM
diva Liz Wrote:
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> "I have been told not to go into Clifton, due to
> reasons of physical safety for myself," Bradsher
> says. "It has been an eye opening experience for
> me to say the least."
Liz, if you feel so threatened and can name your "attackers" by name, why not go to the police? Truth is you won't, because the physical safety concerns only exist in your head. The people that you think are out to do you harm only wish to insure that your future in politics is over. Nothing more. And by the looks of things it appears you are doing just fine sending your political future down the drain on your own.
-------------------------------------------------------
> "I have been told not to go into Clifton, due to
> reasons of physical safety for myself," Bradsher
> says. "It has been an eye opening experience for
> me to say the least."
Liz, if you feel so threatened and can name your "attackers" by name, why not go to the police? Truth is you won't, because the physical safety concerns only exist in your head. The people that you think are out to do you harm only wish to insure that your future in politics is over. Nothing more. And by the looks of things it appears you are doing just fine sending your political future down the drain on your own.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
JonathanSwift
()
Date: November 22, 2010 10:15AM
ROTFL Wrote:
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> "I can see Clifton from my window"
>
> +1
Aww.
How about "Liz Bradsher's Crosspointe" for cable? Instead of treks to see grizzly bears in the wild, we could watch Liz venture into Clifton in camouflage, poised to run back to Fairfax Station at the first sighting of the restless natives.
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> "I can see Clifton from my window"
>
> +1
Aww.
How about "Liz Bradsher's Crosspointe" for cable? Instead of treks to see grizzly bears in the wild, we could watch Liz venture into Clifton in camouflage, poised to run back to Fairfax Station at the first sighting of the restless natives.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Judge rules in favor of FCPS
()
Date: November 22, 2010 02:06PM
This morning, Chief Judge Dennis J. Smith of the 19th circuit court heard arguments from both sides in a lawsuit over the impending closure of the Clifton Elementary School. The judge ruled that the Fairfax County School Board did give reasonable notice regarding a June hearing on the future of Clifton elementary (upholding a previous ruling), while scheduling another hearing for Dec. 1, where he will rule on the remainder of the pending motion to dismiss the lawsuit. The plaintiffs, a group of Clifton parents, are seeking to overturn a recent decision in which the school board voted 9-2 to close the school. The board cited declining enrollment, unsafe water and high renovation costs.
From the FairfaxStationPatch
From the FairfaxStationPatch
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
NewToClifton
()
Date: November 22, 2010 06:33PM
All this talk about not being able to renovate Clifton is crazy - didn't they tear down the original school and build the current one in 1953?
Besides, like others have pointed out, many schools in the eastern part of the County are the same or older and have just as few students - why are we targeting Clifton ES when there's already overcrowding at neighboring schools?
Besides, like others have pointed out, many schools in the eastern part of the County are the same or older and have just as few students - why are we targeting Clifton ES when there's already overcrowding at neighboring schools?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Times have changed
()
Date: November 22, 2010 07:29PM
Yes, in 1953 building on a HILL (YEESH) was evidently easier than it is today. go figure.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: November 22, 2010 09:11PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> Truth is you won't, because the physical safety
> concerns only exist in your head.
The lunatics that are Clifton is apparent in this public thread.
One can only imagine the extreme this gets to when these Cliftonites get toghether in private. If I was Ms. Bradsher I'd be skerred, you people are batshit crazy.
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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
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> Truth is you won't, because the physical safety
> concerns only exist in your head.
The lunatics that are Clifton is apparent in this public thread.
One can only imagine the extreme this gets to when these Cliftonites get toghether in private. If I was Ms. Bradsher I'd be skerred, you people are batshit crazy.
-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Re: curious
Posted by:
WestfieldDad
()
Date: November 22, 2010 09:39PM
BurkeBaby Wrote:
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>>> Enough with the Dogwood saga - it burned to the freaking ground cuz
>>> the firemen didn't find the fire the FIRST time they went...coming back the
>>> SECOND time was too late.
BurkeBaby -
Not true - the cantor of the Dogwood report sang in dulcet tones that:
1) Dogwood was burned down by an arsonist masquerading as an architect; and
2) The architect was enchanted by the evil spirit Open Classroom masquerading as education.
By the way, the report showed that the Fire Department's response was excellent. But, by the time the first firefighters arrived on the site, the fire was completely out of control and all they could do was to keep it from spreading.
Why did it take them so long to show up? The alarm systems in the building didn't differentiate intrusions and fires, the building had no automatic fire alarms, and, when the intrusion detector went off (the first known evidence of the fire), FCPS security's standard policy was to ignore the first alarm because they went off all the time.
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>>> Enough with the Dogwood saga - it burned to the freaking ground cuz
>>> the firemen didn't find the fire the FIRST time they went...coming back the
>>> SECOND time was too late.
BurkeBaby -
Not true - the cantor of the Dogwood report sang in dulcet tones that:
1) Dogwood was burned down by an arsonist masquerading as an architect; and
2) The architect was enchanted by the evil spirit Open Classroom masquerading as education.
By the way, the report showed that the Fire Department's response was excellent. But, by the time the first firefighters arrived on the site, the fire was completely out of control and all they could do was to keep it from spreading.
Why did it take them so long to show up? The alarm systems in the building didn't differentiate intrusions and fires, the building had no automatic fire alarms, and, when the intrusion detector went off (the first known evidence of the fire), FCPS security's standard policy was to ignore the first alarm because they went off all the time.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
American
()
Date: November 23, 2010 08:19AM
It is not difficult to foresee the future declining quality of education in Fairfax County. There are HUNDREDS of schools in the Fairfax County School System, programmatic issues, students that are failing but scores are essentially hidden from the public because they are given easier tests (VGLA), teachers that have been on pay freezes for two years while the School Board granted pay increases to the Superintendent, etc. Yet what has this School Board decided to focus most of their energy on for the past 1-1/2 years? Closing a high-performing school like Clifton Elementary. What kind of leadership is that? It is nothing but smoke and mirrors to hide from the public’s focus all the real issues that they have no idea how to solve even though that is why they were elected into office in the first place.
Why is this allowed to go on? Because parents are so busy in their daily lives struggling to stay afloat in this economy that they don’t have time to look to see what the School Board is doing. With more than 54% of the County Budget, the School System now holds a mafia-like power over many people. People that are afraid to step forward and say anything for fear of losing their jobs or contracts, people that suck up to doing anything FCPS wants in hopes for future employment or favors, newspaper and reporting agencies that are too lazy or short on time to look for the real story and instead function more like PR firms for the School Board. Court systems that don’t want to be involved where elected officials have made decisions.
Therefore, I personally appreciate and want to say thank you to all of the energy and time the Clifton parents and others have spent fighting for their cause. Not only is it the American-way but it takes a lot of courage to fight such a system especially when the position they are forced into is constantly being on the defensive. Courage and determination is what made this country, and if nothing else, they keep exhibiting that. Thank goodness for that. America still exists somewhere.
Why is this allowed to go on? Because parents are so busy in their daily lives struggling to stay afloat in this economy that they don’t have time to look to see what the School Board is doing. With more than 54% of the County Budget, the School System now holds a mafia-like power over many people. People that are afraid to step forward and say anything for fear of losing their jobs or contracts, people that suck up to doing anything FCPS wants in hopes for future employment or favors, newspaper and reporting agencies that are too lazy or short on time to look for the real story and instead function more like PR firms for the School Board. Court systems that don’t want to be involved where elected officials have made decisions.
Therefore, I personally appreciate and want to say thank you to all of the energy and time the Clifton parents and others have spent fighting for their cause. Not only is it the American-way but it takes a lot of courage to fight such a system especially when the position they are forced into is constantly being on the defensive. Courage and determination is what made this country, and if nothing else, they keep exhibiting that. Thank goodness for that. America still exists somewhere.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
?????
()
Date: November 23, 2010 08:34AM
Why are they building a new middle school for South County Secondary School? I thought a Secondary school includes the middle school? They close Clifton and build this school when they have the middle school already? I don't get it!
My Vote Counts as Much as Yours
Posted by:
we all have a voice
()
Date: November 23, 2010 09:03AM
This is so entertaining. Perhaps I am as smart as Stu or as pleasant as Liz...I can tell from the tone and content that those who participate in the blog merely seek a solution which isn't going to happen. Open your charter school at teh Clifton site! That would be best for all (small school great education for the kids). Move on! There are clearly more pressing issues in the county that whether we keep Clifton open or not! I would be more interested in looking at the budget and determining whether we keep IB, whether or not foriegn language imemrsion stays or goes, whether we keep strings in the elementary schools, whetehr we move to K-6 for every elementary school or K-5, etc. There are so many other issues that are worthy of our time and effort. Move on!
Oh and by the way, the best part of America is that my vote counts just as much as your vote! That's not to say that I would re-elect any particualr members of teh school board, it just means that your entitlement is basically the same as mine.
Oh and by the way, the best part of America is that my vote counts just as much as your vote! That's not to say that I would re-elect any particualr members of teh school board, it just means that your entitlement is basically the same as mine.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Verily
()
Date: November 23, 2010 09:10AM
American Wrote:
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> It is not difficult to foresee the future
> declining quality of education in Fairfax County.
> There are HUNDREDS of schools in the Fairfax
> County School System, programmatic issues,
> students that are failing but scores are
> essentially hidden from the public because they
> are given easier tests (VGLA), teachers that have
> been on pay freezes for two years while the School
> Board granted pay increases to the Superintendent,
> etc. Yet what has this School Board decided to
> focus most of their energy on for the past 1-1/2
> years? Closing a high-performing school like
> Clifton Elementary. What kind of leadership is
> that? It is nothing but smoke and mirrors to
> hide from the public’s focus all the real issues
> that they have no idea how to solve even though
> that is why they were elected into office in the
> first place.
>
> Why is this allowed to go on? Because parents
> are so busy in their daily lives struggling to
> stay afloat in this economy that they don’t have
> time to look to see what the School Board is
> doing. With more than 54% of the County Budget,
> the School System now holds a mafia-like power
> over many people. People that are afraid to step
> forward and say anything for fear of losing their
> jobs or contracts, people that suck up to doing
> anything FCPS wants in hopes for future employment
> or favors, newspaper and reporting agencies that
> are too lazy or short on time to look for the real
> story and instead function more like PR firms for
> the School Board. Court systems that don’t
> want to be involved where elected officials have
> made decisions.
>
> Therefore, I personally appreciate and want to say
> thank you to all of the energy and time the
> Clifton parents and others have spent fighting for
> their cause. Not only is it the American-way but
> it takes a lot of courage to fight such a system
> especially when the position they are forced into
> is constantly being on the defensive. Courage
> and determination is what made this country, and
> if nothing else, they keep exhibiting that.
> Thank goodness for that. America still exists
> somewhere.
So true.
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> It is not difficult to foresee the future
> declining quality of education in Fairfax County.
> There are HUNDREDS of schools in the Fairfax
> County School System, programmatic issues,
> students that are failing but scores are
> essentially hidden from the public because they
> are given easier tests (VGLA), teachers that have
> been on pay freezes for two years while the School
> Board granted pay increases to the Superintendent,
> etc. Yet what has this School Board decided to
> focus most of their energy on for the past 1-1/2
> years? Closing a high-performing school like
> Clifton Elementary. What kind of leadership is
> that? It is nothing but smoke and mirrors to
> hide from the public’s focus all the real issues
> that they have no idea how to solve even though
> that is why they were elected into office in the
> first place.
>
> Why is this allowed to go on? Because parents
> are so busy in their daily lives struggling to
> stay afloat in this economy that they don’t have
> time to look to see what the School Board is
> doing. With more than 54% of the County Budget,
> the School System now holds a mafia-like power
> over many people. People that are afraid to step
> forward and say anything for fear of losing their
> jobs or contracts, people that suck up to doing
> anything FCPS wants in hopes for future employment
> or favors, newspaper and reporting agencies that
> are too lazy or short on time to look for the real
> story and instead function more like PR firms for
> the School Board. Court systems that don’t
> want to be involved where elected officials have
> made decisions.
>
> Therefore, I personally appreciate and want to say
> thank you to all of the energy and time the
> Clifton parents and others have spent fighting for
> their cause. Not only is it the American-way but
> it takes a lot of courage to fight such a system
> especially when the position they are forced into
> is constantly being on the defensive. Courage
> and determination is what made this country, and
> if nothing else, they keep exhibiting that.
> Thank goodness for that. America still exists
> somewhere.
So true.
Re: My Vote Counts as Much as Yours
Posted by:
MY voice
()
Date: November 23, 2010 09:29AM
we all have a voice Wrote:
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> This is so entertaining. Perhaps I am as smart as
> Stu or as pleasant as Liz...I can tell from the
> tone and content that those who participate in the
> blog merely seek a solution which isn't going to
> happen. Open your charter school at teh Clifton
> site! That would be best for all (small school
> great education for the kids). Move on! There are
> clearly more pressing issues in the county that
> whether we keep Clifton open or not! I would be
> more interested in looking at the budget and
> determining whether we keep IB, whether or not
> foriegn language imemrsion stays or goes, whether
> we keep strings in the elementary schools, whetehr
> we move to K-6 for every elementary school or K-5,
> etc. There are so many other issues that are
> worthy of our time and effort. Move on!
>
> Oh and by the way, the best part of America is
> that my vote counts just as much as your vote!
> That's not to say that I would re-elect any
> particualr members of teh school board, it just
> means that your entitlement is basically the same
> as mine.
You're absolutely right, we all do have a voice, and our "entitlement" is equal when it comes time to vote.
However, if you think you can let the "little" things like closing CES slide because there are more important issues at stake, then you are missing the bigger picture.
This is NOT just about CES. This is about misappropriation of funds across the entire system, and abuse of power. Are those other issues more important? Not when you let all the "little" things slide. All those "little" issues add up pretty quickly.
So, while the folks in Clifton may be focused on that issue at the moment, don't assume that they are only looking out for themselves. If they win their lawsuit, (and I hope they do!) we all win because this SB will finally be held accountable for their actions. Sure, they can be held accountable come election time next year, but are you prepared to step in and clean up the mess they leave behind? If not, then don't bash the people that are stepping up now.
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is so entertaining. Perhaps I am as smart as
> Stu or as pleasant as Liz...I can tell from the
> tone and content that those who participate in the
> blog merely seek a solution which isn't going to
> happen. Open your charter school at teh Clifton
> site! That would be best for all (small school
> great education for the kids). Move on! There are
> clearly more pressing issues in the county that
> whether we keep Clifton open or not! I would be
> more interested in looking at the budget and
> determining whether we keep IB, whether or not
> foriegn language imemrsion stays or goes, whether
> we keep strings in the elementary schools, whetehr
> we move to K-6 for every elementary school or K-5,
> etc. There are so many other issues that are
> worthy of our time and effort. Move on!
>
> Oh and by the way, the best part of America is
> that my vote counts just as much as your vote!
> That's not to say that I would re-elect any
> particualr members of teh school board, it just
> means that your entitlement is basically the same
> as mine.
You're absolutely right, we all do have a voice, and our "entitlement" is equal when it comes time to vote.
However, if you think you can let the "little" things like closing CES slide because there are more important issues at stake, then you are missing the bigger picture.
This is NOT just about CES. This is about misappropriation of funds across the entire system, and abuse of power. Are those other issues more important? Not when you let all the "little" things slide. All those "little" issues add up pretty quickly.
So, while the folks in Clifton may be focused on that issue at the moment, don't assume that they are only looking out for themselves. If they win their lawsuit, (and I hope they do!) we all win because this SB will finally be held accountable for their actions. Sure, they can be held accountable come election time next year, but are you prepared to step in and clean up the mess they leave behind? If not, then don't bash the people that are stepping up now.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
best post in a while
()
Date: November 23, 2010 09:30AM
American's post is the best I have seen here in a while.
What I find distressing is that from the School Board on down, there is almost no focus or attention paid to real academic excellence. Obviously, the school system would disagree, but merely having high SOL pass rates has little to do with excellence. SOL pass rates are a measure of gaming the system. And teh practice constantly discerning how to move "good" students from stable homes to other schools in right sized proportions can't possibly further a focus on excellence.
Even the discussions about TJHSST - arguably the best high school in the country - devolve to moaning about the lack of diversity - even though the school is incredibly diverse. It appears as if all sorts of objectives save for excellence and competence govern and control. From an outsider looking in, it is a world turned upside down.
By the way, although there are a small minority of teachers that are problematic, the teachers in Fairfax are not the problem. They need an environment where they are expected to reach high and challenge, and make that expectation clear to the community and the parents. Right now we have frat boys and sorority girls running the show, a far cry from the assertive, disciplined, and transparent leadership that is required. Bear in mind that this is one of the wealthiest jurisdictions in the country. A focus on excellence is hardly misplaced.
What I find distressing is that from the School Board on down, there is almost no focus or attention paid to real academic excellence. Obviously, the school system would disagree, but merely having high SOL pass rates has little to do with excellence. SOL pass rates are a measure of gaming the system. And teh practice constantly discerning how to move "good" students from stable homes to other schools in right sized proportions can't possibly further a focus on excellence.
Even the discussions about TJHSST - arguably the best high school in the country - devolve to moaning about the lack of diversity - even though the school is incredibly diverse. It appears as if all sorts of objectives save for excellence and competence govern and control. From an outsider looking in, it is a world turned upside down.
By the way, although there are a small minority of teachers that are problematic, the teachers in Fairfax are not the problem. They need an environment where they are expected to reach high and challenge, and make that expectation clear to the community and the parents. Right now we have frat boys and sorority girls running the show, a far cry from the assertive, disciplined, and transparent leadership that is required. Bear in mind that this is one of the wealthiest jurisdictions in the country. A focus on excellence is hardly misplaced.
Re: curious
Posted by:
Whose Worse?!
()
Date: November 23, 2010 05:33PM
Wilson v. Bradsher?
FCPS is just loaded with gems. SB would make tops in "Worst Places to Work" - can you imagine working with these people?
Attachments:
FCPS is just loaded with gems. SB would make tops in "Worst Places to Work" - can you imagine working with these people?
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
boundary screwed
()
Date: November 23, 2010 05:41PM
Times have changed Wrote:
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> Yes, in 1953 building on a HILL (YEESH) was
> evidently easier than it is today. go figure.
You can't build on "topography", silly.
Attachments:
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> Yes, in 1953 building on a HILL (YEESH) was
> evidently easier than it is today. go figure.
You can't build on "topography", silly.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
OMG!!!
()
Date: November 23, 2010 06:10PM
GOOD GRIEF, indeed!
Tessie and Liz make such a great pair. Tessie comes straight out of one of those Carol Burnett skits from the 1970s, while Liz is just waiting for the sequel to "Fast Times at Ridgemont High." Bad teeth and big hair. What more could you ask for?
Tessie and Liz make such a great pair. Tessie comes straight out of one of those Carol Burnett skits from the 1970s, while Liz is just waiting for the sequel to "Fast Times at Ridgemont High." Bad teeth and big hair. What more could you ask for?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sad days
()
Date: November 23, 2010 06:17PM
Everyone in this county should look at Clifton and realize that they could be next. Why in the world would anyone work hard on the PTA and for a school that they might get kicked out of at the whim of the SB?? Parents and community members do many, many things to help build up programs and the physical plants of the school buildings in their communities. They feel that this is in their interest not just as parents, but as members of communities where they plan to live for some length of time. It's hard to imagine much loyalty or buy-in to schools (volunteerism, etc.) if parents feel all of their hard work may be for naught since they could be redistricted for any trumped up reason. At many schools parents are the ones who provide landscaping, books, reading programs, book sales to build up the library, continuing program planning (colonial days, special field trips, school graduation traditions, after school science programs, clubs, etc.). The list goes on and on ESPECIALLY at elementary schools. If a school is not in their community, I do not believe that parents will be nearly as willing to donate to the school. There is something about seeing the school as you go about your business in the community, knowing the kids who go there and went there with your own children---these are constant reminders of the effort that you put into the place. It engenders a loyalty and feeling that cannot be replicated by busing kids from one area to 4 different schools. I don't think the SB did all it could to keep this school and its community intact. I do think that this county will one day realize what the SB has done---I hope it's not too late.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hahahahahaha
()
Date: November 23, 2010 07:19PM
They can't be serious about this statement!
FAIRFAX COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS
MAINTAINING EXCELLENCE THROUGH WISE INVESTMENT
http://www.fcps.edu/supt/justthefacts/taxvalue08.pdf
FAIRFAX COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS
MAINTAINING EXCELLENCE THROUGH WISE INVESTMENT
http://www.fcps.edu/supt/justthefacts/taxvalue08.pdf
Re: My Vote Counts as Much as Yours
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: November 23, 2010 07:39PM
MY voice Wrote:
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>
> This is NOT just about CES. This is about
> misappropriation of funds across the entire
> system, and abuse of power. Are those other
> issues more important? Not when you let all the
> "little" things slide. All those "little" issues
> add up pretty quickly.
>
>
> So, while the folks in Clifton may be focused on
> that issue at the moment, don't assume that they
> are only looking out for themselves.
This all about CES and only about CES and if the vote to close CES went the other way we would not be reading all these rants on FFXU. As a matter of fact, please point to a thread from y'all prior to the school being threatened.
None exist.
If you want to come here and wail about your school closing, great, this is a public forum. Trying to spin it into something other than CES closing is disingenuous at best and outright dishonest at worst.
Carry on.
-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> This is NOT just about CES. This is about
> misappropriation of funds across the entire
> system, and abuse of power. Are those other
> issues more important? Not when you let all the
> "little" things slide. All those "little" issues
> add up pretty quickly.
>
>
> So, while the folks in Clifton may be focused on
> that issue at the moment, don't assume that they
> are only looking out for themselves.
This all about CES and only about CES and if the vote to close CES went the other way we would not be reading all these rants on FFXU. As a matter of fact, please point to a thread from y'all prior to the school being threatened.
None exist.
If you want to come here and wail about your school closing, great, this is a public forum. Trying to spin it into something other than CES closing is disingenuous at best and outright dishonest at worst.
Carry on.
-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
more than CES here
()
Date: November 23, 2010 08:47PM
If you've been reading even half of this forum---and especially the FOIA emails, you would know this is about WAY MORE than CES closing. No law firm (and especially not one with the reputation of the one being used) would file a lawsuit if this were only about CES "whiners". There's a huge backstory here and apparently you haven't gotten it.
Yes, no prior threads exist because nobody actually thought (or wanted to really believe) that something this ridiculous would happen. If there had been rants before the closing, the Clifton people would have been criticized for ranting before the closing. Now they are criticized for ranting after even though they have some pretty darn good points. I'm glad you are giving them permission to "carry on"---as if you are in charge.
And I am not from Clifton.
Yes, no prior threads exist because nobody actually thought (or wanted to really believe) that something this ridiculous would happen. If there had been rants before the closing, the Clifton people would have been criticized for ranting before the closing. Now they are criticized for ranting after even though they have some pretty darn good points. I'm glad you are giving them permission to "carry on"---as if you are in charge.
And I am not from Clifton.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not so Naive
()
Date: November 23, 2010 09:39PM
You have a lot to learn about law firms. This case is DOA but it doesn't mean they won't pursue it to bill even at PB.
This is about Clifton only because everyone else figured out how FCPS really works a long time ago.
This is about Clifton only because everyone else figured out how FCPS really works a long time ago.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: November 23, 2010 10:00PM
FCPS Board will always ticks off part of the county, may as well be clifton where there are not a lot of votes.
Of course some of the non-clifton board haters will jump on this bandwagon.
Shame they couldn't close it now, like quickly ripping off a bandaid, then the sting fades quickly; rather than enduring this long drawn out teeth gnashing and threatening posts.
-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Of course some of the non-clifton board haters will jump on this bandwagon.
Shame they couldn't close it now, like quickly ripping off a bandaid, then the sting fades quickly; rather than enduring this long drawn out teeth gnashing and threatening posts.
-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
not another Bradsher
()
Date: November 23, 2010 10:14PM
Dane Bramage Wrote:
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> FCPS Board will always ticks off part of the
> county, may as well be clifton where there are not
> a lot of votes.
>
> Of course some of the non-clifton board haters
> will jump on this bandwagon.
>
> Shame they couldn't close it now, like quickly
> ripping off a bandaid, then the sting fades
> quickly; rather than enduring this long drawn out
> teeth gnashing and threatening posts.
Good Lord! Now you're beginning to sound like Liz B. Tell us, exactly which posts did you find threatening? Do you mean the ones that promise to do everything in their power to make sure Liz Bradsher never holds seat in a public office again? Those aren't threats, those are political promises.
And if you think that Clifton doesn't have enough voting power, think again. Clifton typically has the highest voter turnout in the Springfield district. Ooops!
-------------------------------------------------------
> FCPS Board will always ticks off part of the
> county, may as well be clifton where there are not
> a lot of votes.
>
> Of course some of the non-clifton board haters
> will jump on this bandwagon.
>
> Shame they couldn't close it now, like quickly
> ripping off a bandaid, then the sting fades
> quickly; rather than enduring this long drawn out
> teeth gnashing and threatening posts.
Good Lord! Now you're beginning to sound like Liz B. Tell us, exactly which posts did you find threatening? Do you mean the ones that promise to do everything in their power to make sure Liz Bradsher never holds seat in a public office again? Those aren't threats, those are political promises.
And if you think that Clifton doesn't have enough voting power, think again. Clifton typically has the highest voter turnout in the Springfield district. Ooops!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WasNaive
()
Date: November 24, 2010 08:19AM
Not so Naive Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You have a lot to learn about law firms. This
> case is DOA but it doesn't mean they won't pursue
> it to bill even at PB.
>
> This is about Clifton only because everyone else
> figured out how FCPS really works a long time ago.
What the Judge basically said this week is that the Courts don't like to get involved in these types of cases because these are elected officials that made the decision. If he gets in the middle of it than he has basically become a "Super Board Member." Because they are elected it would be like taking away the votes that people gave them and he doesn't want to go there. Therefore, you are probably right. The Judge is likely going to do anything he can to simply find a way out of dealing with this case.
That leads to a bigger problem though. In other levels of the government, there are usually some types of checks and balances (Ex. House and Senate). If the Board of Supervisors have absolutely no power once the money is given to the School Board and the Courts will not get involved, than there are NO checks and balances on the School Board/FCPS. That is pretty frightening considering they now get more than 54% of the County Budget/your property taxes. It makes you wonder about that old saying -- "Absolutely power corrupts absolutely."
-------------------------------------------------------
> You have a lot to learn about law firms. This
> case is DOA but it doesn't mean they won't pursue
> it to bill even at PB.
>
> This is about Clifton only because everyone else
> figured out how FCPS really works a long time ago.
What the Judge basically said this week is that the Courts don't like to get involved in these types of cases because these are elected officials that made the decision. If he gets in the middle of it than he has basically become a "Super Board Member." Because they are elected it would be like taking away the votes that people gave them and he doesn't want to go there. Therefore, you are probably right. The Judge is likely going to do anything he can to simply find a way out of dealing with this case.
That leads to a bigger problem though. In other levels of the government, there are usually some types of checks and balances (Ex. House and Senate). If the Board of Supervisors have absolutely no power once the money is given to the School Board and the Courts will not get involved, than there are NO checks and balances on the School Board/FCPS. That is pretty frightening considering they now get more than 54% of the County Budget/your property taxes. It makes you wonder about that old saying -- "Absolutely power corrupts absolutely."
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
withholding information
()
Date: November 24, 2010 09:13AM
Someone please post the email that shows Dean Tistadt received the well water results at 2:30 the day of the meeting and sat on them until the meeting started.
I guess that is what FCPS calls "strategic governance"
They strategically plot (Bradsher and Wilson) to withhold inforrmation that might very well influence votes until after the meeting starts.
THANK YOU PATTY REED FOR ASKING THAT THIS INFO BE MADE PUBLIC DURING DELIBERATIONS.
At least we have some members showing some ethics!
I guess that is what FCPS calls "strategic governance"
They strategically plot (Bradsher and Wilson) to withhold inforrmation that might very well influence votes until after the meeting starts.
THANK YOU PATTY REED FOR ASKING THAT THIS INFO BE MADE PUBLIC DURING DELIBERATIONS.
At least we have some members showing some ethics!
Re: My Vote Counts as Much as Yours
Posted by:
empathy
()
Date: November 24, 2010 09:17AM
Dane Bramage Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> MY voice Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > This is NOT just about CES. This is about
> > misappropriation of funds across the entire
> > system, and abuse of power. Are those other
> > issues more important? Not when you let all
> the
> > "little" things slide. All those "little"
> issues
> > add up pretty quickly.
> >
> >
> > So, while the folks in Clifton may be focused
> on
> > that issue at the moment, don't assume that
> they
> > are only looking out for themselves.
>
>
> This all about CES and only about CES and if the
> vote to close CES went the other way we would not
> be reading all these rants on FFXU. As a matter of
> fact, please point to a thread from y'all prior to
> the school being threatened.
>
> None exist.
>
> If you want to come here and wail about your
> school closing, great, this is a public forum.
> Trying to spin it into something other than CES
> closing is disingenuous at best and outright
> dishonest at worst.
>
> Carry on.
Actually, it is kind of like cancer. Until someone you love is personally affected by it, you only hear about it in passing and think it sounds terrible. Once you or someone you love is personally affected by it, you learn more about it and not only want to get rid of it for yourself but also have concern for people that could be affected by it in the future.
-------------------------------------------------------
> MY voice Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > This is NOT just about CES. This is about
> > misappropriation of funds across the entire
> > system, and abuse of power. Are those other
> > issues more important? Not when you let all
> the
> > "little" things slide. All those "little"
> issues
> > add up pretty quickly.
> >
> >
> > So, while the folks in Clifton may be focused
> on
> > that issue at the moment, don't assume that
> they
> > are only looking out for themselves.
>
>
> This all about CES and only about CES and if the
> vote to close CES went the other way we would not
> be reading all these rants on FFXU. As a matter of
> fact, please point to a thread from y'all prior to
> the school being threatened.
>
> None exist.
>
> If you want to come here and wail about your
> school closing, great, this is a public forum.
> Trying to spin it into something other than CES
> closing is disingenuous at best and outright
> dishonest at worst.
>
> Carry on.
Actually, it is kind of like cancer. Until someone you love is personally affected by it, you only hear about it in passing and think it sounds terrible. Once you or someone you love is personally affected by it, you learn more about it and not only want to get rid of it for yourself but also have concern for people that could be affected by it in the future.
Re: My Vote Counts as Much as Yours
Posted by:
MJo
()
Date: November 24, 2010 12:32PM
> Actually, it is kind of like cancer. Until
> someone you love is personally affected by it, you
> only hear about it in passing and think it sounds
> terrible. Once you or someone you love is
> personally affected by it, you learn more about it
> and not only want to get rid of it for yourself
> but also have concern for people that could be
> affected by it in the future.
Cancer and FCPS is an interesting analogy considering our taxes keep growing like a malignant tumor because of them and they also seem to be aimed at slowly destructing good cells (schools like Graham Road and Clifton Elementary, etc.).
> someone you love is personally affected by it, you
> only hear about it in passing and think it sounds
> terrible. Once you or someone you love is
> personally affected by it, you learn more about it
> and not only want to get rid of it for yourself
> but also have concern for people that could be
> affected by it in the future.
Cancer and FCPS is an interesting analogy considering our taxes keep growing like a malignant tumor because of them and they also seem to be aimed at slowly destructing good cells (schools like Graham Road and Clifton Elementary, etc.).
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not so Naive
()
Date: November 24, 2010 04:09PM
WasNaive Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Not so Naive Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You have a lot to learn about law firms. This
> > case is DOA but it doesn't mean they won't
> pursue
> > it to bill even at PB.
> >
> > This is about Clifton only because everyone
> else
> > figured out how FCPS really works a long time
> ago.
>
>
> What the Judge basically said this week is that
> the Courts don't like to get involved in these
> types of cases because these are elected officials
> that made the decision. If he gets in the middle
> of it than he has basically become a "Super Board
> Member." Because they are elected it would be
> like taking away the votes that people gave them
> and he doesn't want to go there. Therefore, you
> are probably right. The Judge is likely going to
> do anything he can to simply find a way out of
> dealing with this case.
>
> That leads to a bigger problem though. In other
> levels of the government, there are usually some
> types of checks and balances (Ex. House and
> Senate). If the Board of Supervisors have
> absolutely no power once the money is given to the
> School Board and the Courts will not get involved,
> than there are NO checks and balances on the
> School Board/FCPS. That is pretty frightening
> considering they now get more than 54% of the
> County Budget/your property taxes. It makes you
> wonder about that old saying -- "Absolutely power
> corrupts absolutely."
Only recourse is to vote no to the school bonds. The board has no real control over FCPS.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Not so Naive Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You have a lot to learn about law firms. This
> > case is DOA but it doesn't mean they won't
> pursue
> > it to bill even at PB.
> >
> > This is about Clifton only because everyone
> else
> > figured out how FCPS really works a long time
> ago.
>
>
> What the Judge basically said this week is that
> the Courts don't like to get involved in these
> types of cases because these are elected officials
> that made the decision. If he gets in the middle
> of it than he has basically become a "Super Board
> Member." Because they are elected it would be
> like taking away the votes that people gave them
> and he doesn't want to go there. Therefore, you
> are probably right. The Judge is likely going to
> do anything he can to simply find a way out of
> dealing with this case.
>
> That leads to a bigger problem though. In other
> levels of the government, there are usually some
> types of checks and balances (Ex. House and
> Senate). If the Board of Supervisors have
> absolutely no power once the money is given to the
> School Board and the Courts will not get involved,
> than there are NO checks and balances on the
> School Board/FCPS. That is pretty frightening
> considering they now get more than 54% of the
> County Budget/your property taxes. It makes you
> wonder about that old saying -- "Absolutely power
> corrupts absolutely."
Only recourse is to vote no to the school bonds. The board has no real control over FCPS.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
akcita
()
Date: November 25, 2010 09:14AM
I love Liz Bradsher. Her face should be by the definition of Hypocrite in Webster's:
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=280209&paper=72&cat=110
I guess she changed her mind.......
Who Owns the Schools?
Letter to the Editor
Thursday, March 30, 2006
To the Editor:
I have watched and read with interest the West Springfield High School (WSHS) boundary debate. As most of the Connection readers know, the WSHS Boundary Study ended on Feb. 23 with no change taking place to the current boundary.
Whether I agree with the School Board decision regarding WSHS is of little matter. What I found of interest were the various comments made by the members of the School Board during the study and vote. One such comment came from School Board member Mr. Stuart Gibson (Hunter Mill District) during the Feb. 13 School Board Work Session. He questioned his fellow members on the board asking whether a community has ownership of a particular school? A corollary to this question is how does one define the community served by a particular school?
To many, the answer to such a question would seem obvious and the typical response would resemble something like this: "We live in the community of Orange Hunt therefore our children should attend Orange Hunt Elementary." This answer would no doubt be the same for parents throughout the county when pertaining to their neighborhood elementary school. With respect to an elementary school, the sense of ownership is almost subliminal. So obvious it is beyond question. The defined area or community served by the elementary school is also, in most instances quite clear. To many parents of elementary school aged children there is little room for argument regarding "ownership."
The issue however is not so black and white when it comes to schools with special programs, high schools, or even for that matter, middle schools. High schools, secondary schools and middle schools are comprised of students from varied and sometimes distant communities. This is the same for elementary schools with special programs such as those for GT and Special Needs students. These schools have students who live great distances from their school. The ownership issue and answer to Mr. Gibson's initial question is now not so easily answered. Nor is the question of community so easily defined.
Where the ownership debate will go I have no idea, but the question as well as the current perception of "school ownership" looms for the South County and Westfield communities because these communities have been recommended for future boundary studies. Comments from a Washington Post blog on the WSHS Boundary Study indicate parents, for the most part, do indeed perceive they have ownership of their high school. I suspect there are many parents in the county with the same sense of ownership when it comes to their child's school.
The School Board and the FCPS system must come to terms with the definition of what is a "community school" and "ownership of one's school." It appears the public, the School Board and school system all differ with respect to the basic philosophical definitions as well as the perceptions of these two terms. The public deserves an accountable boundary process. A process that is well defined with ranked criteria and addresses the issue of "ownership," perception, proximity, as well as community history. To refrain from addressing these issues is selling the public short. I don't think the public/parents of this county deserve that, do you?
Elizabeth Torpey Bradsher
Fairfax Station
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=280209&paper=72&cat=110
I guess she changed her mind.......
Who Owns the Schools?
Letter to the Editor
Thursday, March 30, 2006
To the Editor:
I have watched and read with interest the West Springfield High School (WSHS) boundary debate. As most of the Connection readers know, the WSHS Boundary Study ended on Feb. 23 with no change taking place to the current boundary.
Whether I agree with the School Board decision regarding WSHS is of little matter. What I found of interest were the various comments made by the members of the School Board during the study and vote. One such comment came from School Board member Mr. Stuart Gibson (Hunter Mill District) during the Feb. 13 School Board Work Session. He questioned his fellow members on the board asking whether a community has ownership of a particular school? A corollary to this question is how does one define the community served by a particular school?
To many, the answer to such a question would seem obvious and the typical response would resemble something like this: "We live in the community of Orange Hunt therefore our children should attend Orange Hunt Elementary." This answer would no doubt be the same for parents throughout the county when pertaining to their neighborhood elementary school. With respect to an elementary school, the sense of ownership is almost subliminal. So obvious it is beyond question. The defined area or community served by the elementary school is also, in most instances quite clear. To many parents of elementary school aged children there is little room for argument regarding "ownership."
The issue however is not so black and white when it comes to schools with special programs, high schools, or even for that matter, middle schools. High schools, secondary schools and middle schools are comprised of students from varied and sometimes distant communities. This is the same for elementary schools with special programs such as those for GT and Special Needs students. These schools have students who live great distances from their school. The ownership issue and answer to Mr. Gibson's initial question is now not so easily answered. Nor is the question of community so easily defined.
Where the ownership debate will go I have no idea, but the question as well as the current perception of "school ownership" looms for the South County and Westfield communities because these communities have been recommended for future boundary studies. Comments from a Washington Post blog on the WSHS Boundary Study indicate parents, for the most part, do indeed perceive they have ownership of their high school. I suspect there are many parents in the county with the same sense of ownership when it comes to their child's school.
The School Board and the FCPS system must come to terms with the definition of what is a "community school" and "ownership of one's school." It appears the public, the School Board and school system all differ with respect to the basic philosophical definitions as well as the perceptions of these two terms. The public deserves an accountable boundary process. A process that is well defined with ranked criteria and addresses the issue of "ownership," perception, proximity, as well as community history. To refrain from addressing these issues is selling the public short. I don't think the public/parents of this county deserve that, do you?
Elizabeth Torpey Bradsher
Fairfax Station
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Wow
()
Date: November 25, 2010 10:37AM
Wow. I don't think she wrote that. It sounds like somebody else who has a brain. Based on her emails, there is no way she has this kind of logic or can write like this. Where is the person or people who wrote this now???
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
i agree with wow
()
Date: November 25, 2010 01:13PM
Her middle school daughter wrote the letter.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
edna
()
Date: November 25, 2010 10:50PM
Clifton ES was closed to remove it from the renovation queue. This action opened up a spot for West Springfield High School... remember the FOIA emails where Bradsher was working with folks from WSHS group....
The public will be voting on school board members in 2011.....which can't come soon enough......
The public will be voting on school board members in 2011.....which can't come soon enough......
Re: Collusion by School Board Member .....STOP THE BOUNDARY STUDY
Posted by:
LykLastSamurai
()
Date: November 25, 2010 11:59PM
The School Board voted in a 9-2 count to close Clifton Elementary and deprive a 40 square mile portion of the county of its community school. After in-depth analysis, participation in engagement community sessions and PTA school sessions with School Board members, I am convinced that, in contradiction to Springfield SB rep Liz Bradsher, this is NOT AN EMOTIONAL issue. It’s a CRITICAL issue and one that must be approached analytically. The closure of Clifton elementary has got to be one of the most blatant examples of incompetence in the area of facilities’ planning and of negligence in the area of school board representation. (Or perhaps the representation is lopsided and favors one segment of the population over a smaller one which would contribute a lower yield of votes as the FOIA’d e-mails above reveal?)
To demonstrate that a 23 school boundary study as proposed is an aberration, I contend that:
-The study is flawed because it is reactive not pro-active in terms of addressing overcrowding and future growth. There is no exact number or location of seats that would be obtained by the changes projected w/this boundary study.
-The study is flawed because the results have been pre-determined in a vacuum. After inquiring multiple times about issues such as transportation impact, infrastructure impact, density considerations and migratory patterns to name a few, the answer yielded invariably included “no, that’s not considered in the study†or “information not available.â€
-The boundary change concept is flawed because whoever is behind the “design†of the options set forth for the affected Fairfax County failed to provide all the necessary parameters to carry out a proper evaluation and input.
- Closing a school in Southwestern Fairfax increases overcrowding on the Southwestern corner of the County and fails to address overcrowding in other allegedly overcrowded areas geographically un-related. Affirmative, it won’t make any sense to you either.
- The expansion of the school facilities system ought to be revised thoroughly by an interdisciplinary (intergovernmental) commission that includes the planners in the DPZ, VDOT and the community they stand to serve.
Ironically, Bradsher stated the perfect rationale to the need to have this study come to a screeching halt back in 2006.
“The public deserves an accountable boundary process. …..
To refrain from addressing these issues is selling the public short. I don't
think the public/parents of this county deserve that, do you?â€
To demonstrate that a 23 school boundary study as proposed is an aberration, I contend that:
-The study is flawed because it is reactive not pro-active in terms of addressing overcrowding and future growth. There is no exact number or location of seats that would be obtained by the changes projected w/this boundary study.
-The study is flawed because the results have been pre-determined in a vacuum. After inquiring multiple times about issues such as transportation impact, infrastructure impact, density considerations and migratory patterns to name a few, the answer yielded invariably included “no, that’s not considered in the study†or “information not available.â€
-The boundary change concept is flawed because whoever is behind the “design†of the options set forth for the affected Fairfax County failed to provide all the necessary parameters to carry out a proper evaluation and input.
- Closing a school in Southwestern Fairfax increases overcrowding on the Southwestern corner of the County and fails to address overcrowding in other allegedly overcrowded areas geographically un-related. Affirmative, it won’t make any sense to you either.
- The expansion of the school facilities system ought to be revised thoroughly by an interdisciplinary (intergovernmental) commission that includes the planners in the DPZ, VDOT and the community they stand to serve.
Ironically, Bradsher stated the perfect rationale to the need to have this study come to a screeching halt back in 2006.
“The public deserves an accountable boundary process. …..
To refrain from addressing these issues is selling the public short. I don't
think the public/parents of this county deserve that, do you?â€
Re: Collusion by School Board Member .....STOP THE BOUNDARY STUDY
Posted by:
Lindaisan
()
Date: November 26, 2010 12:05AM
Someone writing on behalf of the infamous LB wrote:
“Explain that to us again... parents from an affluent town are complaining about being bullied. But using their financial might to pit the whims of the few against the needs of the many isn't the same thing? Can you say "hypocrite," boys and girls?â€
For any School Board member to collude with one segment of the population and play it to push for the closure of a school is not only unacceptable but un-ethical and reprehensible INDEPENDENT of the economical status of the School Board’s targets. And that might you mention is not powered by money. It’s powered by conviction, principles and information. Hypocritical is for Bradsher to falsely repeat in front of an audience she just castigated, that she cares more about their children then they do! Hypocritical is to adjudicate the desire of Clifton parents to hold the reins of their children’s education to a base desire to bully with money and not see one’s own behavior bullying a smaller segment of constituents by “playing†a larger one for political gain. It is time that she stop using this ridiculous argument as if wealth is a stigma, a sin or a crime. Tax payer dollars from ALL Americans inside Fairfax County PAY for these questionable characters like LB to follow their whims and political interests.
Bradsher keeps “pretending to be what one is not, or to feel what one does not feel; esp., a pretense of virtue, piety, etc.†and that is the definition of hypocrisy!
“Explain that to us again... parents from an affluent town are complaining about being bullied. But using their financial might to pit the whims of the few against the needs of the many isn't the same thing? Can you say "hypocrite," boys and girls?â€
For any School Board member to collude with one segment of the population and play it to push for the closure of a school is not only unacceptable but un-ethical and reprehensible INDEPENDENT of the economical status of the School Board’s targets. And that might you mention is not powered by money. It’s powered by conviction, principles and information. Hypocritical is for Bradsher to falsely repeat in front of an audience she just castigated, that she cares more about their children then they do! Hypocritical is to adjudicate the desire of Clifton parents to hold the reins of their children’s education to a base desire to bully with money and not see one’s own behavior bullying a smaller segment of constituents by “playing†a larger one for political gain. It is time that she stop using this ridiculous argument as if wealth is a stigma, a sin or a crime. Tax payer dollars from ALL Americans inside Fairfax County PAY for these questionable characters like LB to follow their whims and political interests.
Bradsher keeps “pretending to be what one is not, or to feel what one does not feel; esp., a pretense of virtue, piety, etc.†and that is the definition of hypocrisy!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Lindaisan
()
Date: November 26, 2010 12:25AM
Seriously? Please stop consuming whatever is affecting your “dain†Mr. Bramage! This is not about hate, this is not about self-interest, and this will not go away w/the pull of a band-aid or a surgical operation. You know why? Because School Board members with a pre-determined agenda and a superintendent office with an inadequate school model that serves to expand administration rather than student benefits are…unfortunately a reality.
And saying we’ll vote them out is not a threat. It’s a promise! We understand perfectly what they, in an un-ethical and reprehensible manner, are trying to do……but obviously you don’t get it…..you reflect towards CES and its supporters undeserved ill-will and animosity which you will not feel once that infamous boundary study impacting 18,000 kids in 23 schools (to yield a “yet to be determined†# of seats and eliminate overcrowding) demands that you bus your kids out miles away in order to take in kids displaced from nearby schools! STOP THE BOUNDARY STUDY.
And saying we’ll vote them out is not a threat. It’s a promise! We understand perfectly what they, in an un-ethical and reprehensible manner, are trying to do……but obviously you don’t get it…..you reflect towards CES and its supporters undeserved ill-will and animosity which you will not feel once that infamous boundary study impacting 18,000 kids in 23 schools (to yield a “yet to be determined†# of seats and eliminate overcrowding) demands that you bus your kids out miles away in order to take in kids displaced from nearby schools! STOP THE BOUNDARY STUDY.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Judge Says
()
Date: November 26, 2010 12:45AM
WasNaive: Oh - a swing and a miss...
Judge Smith said that this case involved complex issues in regard to the federal constitution and the Virginia constitution.
Judge said fundamental right of parents to educate children was decided in a Supreme Court case.
Judge siad issues have great implications.
Anyone still saying this case is frivolous? Judge disagrees with you.
Judge Smith said that this case involved complex issues in regard to the federal constitution and the Virginia constitution.
Judge said fundamental right of parents to educate children was decided in a Supreme Court case.
Judge siad issues have great implications.
Anyone still saying this case is frivolous? Judge disagrees with you.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
can anyone explain?
()
Date: November 26, 2010 10:43AM
Can anyone explain the real reason behind the closure of Clifton Elementary School?
The 3 reason cited by the FCSB have all been debunked according to this thread.
I have no reason to doubt the validity of the emails. What purpose would it serve the folks in Clifton to publish inaccurate versions of the email? That would be easy enough for the School Board to prove.
So assuming that the FOIA emails are accurate, you're led to believe that Clifton was closed in order to push WSHS up the queue. However, Tina Hone states during the July 8th meeting that there is nothing sanctimonious about the queue. So Clifton could have stayed open, (according to Clifton they were happy to step down so that WSHS could move up) WSHS still could have moved up the queue, Liz Bradsher could have kept both communities happy, and there wouldn't be a lawsuit now.
So,what's the real reason behind the closure of Clifton? It wasn't to save precious few capital dollars as the school board loves to claim. If that were the case, why is the system now foced to spend even more money to build additions to schools surrounding Clifton in order to take those kids in?
In an interview with Elizabeth Bradsher recently, she stated the following:
Can you elaborate on that?
I told them that this was a School Board issue. It wasn't an issue for the Board of Supervisors. And if they [advocated through] their supervisor it was going to be a detriment to them, because he does not make the decision and he does not have a good relationship with the School Board.
I've heard that.
And, hey, when you don't have a good relationship to the School Board ... They didn't listen to that. They didn't want to listen to that.
Hmmmm, sounds to me like we might be getting closer to the real reason behind the closure of Clifton Elementary. Was this about some personal grudge by Liz Bradsher? Sounds like it was out of spite, to me at least.
The 3 reason cited by the FCSB have all been debunked according to this thread.
I have no reason to doubt the validity of the emails. What purpose would it serve the folks in Clifton to publish inaccurate versions of the email? That would be easy enough for the School Board to prove.
So assuming that the FOIA emails are accurate, you're led to believe that Clifton was closed in order to push WSHS up the queue. However, Tina Hone states during the July 8th meeting that there is nothing sanctimonious about the queue. So Clifton could have stayed open, (according to Clifton they were happy to step down so that WSHS could move up) WSHS still could have moved up the queue, Liz Bradsher could have kept both communities happy, and there wouldn't be a lawsuit now.
So,what's the real reason behind the closure of Clifton? It wasn't to save precious few capital dollars as the school board loves to claim. If that were the case, why is the system now foced to spend even more money to build additions to schools surrounding Clifton in order to take those kids in?
In an interview with Elizabeth Bradsher recently, she stated the following:
Can you elaborate on that?
I told them that this was a School Board issue. It wasn't an issue for the Board of Supervisors. And if they [advocated through] their supervisor it was going to be a detriment to them, because he does not make the decision and he does not have a good relationship with the School Board.
I've heard that.
And, hey, when you don't have a good relationship to the School Board ... They didn't listen to that. They didn't want to listen to that.
Hmmmm, sounds to me like we might be getting closer to the real reason behind the closure of Clifton Elementary. Was this about some personal grudge by Liz Bradsher? Sounds like it was out of spite, to me at least.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
brain surgery
()
Date: November 26, 2010 10:55AM
The public needs to see exactly how much money each of these options costs---including an option where Clifton is not closed and possibly receives more students from neighboring areas or not (which would not affect 23 schools by any stretch). All of the options could also be pitted against an option where Clifton is renovated (as another comparison). All options need to have a transportation analysis and numbers attached. Without all of that, we are blind. FCPS and the SB manipulate us by not giving us the information---telling us it isn't available, blah, blah, blah. Information is power. Yes, they have their own agenda and unless they come clean (which they won't), they will be out. I hope that Clifton can hang on to that building because someday it will be a school again. Don't stop believing. This is OUR county.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Clifton community rocks
()
Date: November 26, 2010 11:19AM
The determination of the people of Clifton is laudable. It looks like the state and even FCPS are going to help them keep a school there!!!!!!!
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2586
Just desserts for Liz. This new change at the state level could really, really change the power of FCPS---do them in. I think they are seeing the writing on the wall.
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2586
Just desserts for Liz. This new change at the state level could really, really change the power of FCPS---do them in. I think they are seeing the writing on the wall.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Totally Disgusted
()
Date: November 26, 2010 11:31AM
Clifton community rocks Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The determination of the people of Clifton is
> laudable. It looks like the state and even FCPS
> are going to help them keep a school there!!!!!!!
>
>
> http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2586
>
> Just desserts for Liz. This new change at the
> state level could really, really change the power
> of FCPS---do them in. I think they are seeing the
> writing on the wall.
I think this is a fair translation of Liz's remarks to the reporter: "I don't get along well with Pat Herrity, because we're political rivals. The Clifton people spoke to him, when they realized I had it in for them, so then I really made sure they got screwed."
I don't blame the Clifton people one bit for looking into the possibility of a charter school, but it starts to make FCPS look like DCPS. Can't wait to see what the school system looks like in 10 years. Thanks a lot, Liz, for trashing a great county's reputation. By the way, you have very few friends and no political future.
-------------------------------------------------------
> The determination of the people of Clifton is
> laudable. It looks like the state and even FCPS
> are going to help them keep a school there!!!!!!!
>
>
> http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2586
>
> Just desserts for Liz. This new change at the
> state level could really, really change the power
> of FCPS---do them in. I think they are seeing the
> writing on the wall.
I think this is a fair translation of Liz's remarks to the reporter: "I don't get along well with Pat Herrity, because we're political rivals. The Clifton people spoke to him, when they realized I had it in for them, so then I really made sure they got screwed."
I don't blame the Clifton people one bit for looking into the possibility of a charter school, but it starts to make FCPS look like DCPS. Can't wait to see what the school system looks like in 10 years. Thanks a lot, Liz, for trashing a great county's reputation. By the way, you have very few friends and no political future.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
no long term thinking
()
Date: November 26, 2010 11:45AM
Every intelligently run school district in the counrty is looking for ways to improve student performance-particulary those students from high povert homes.
Study after study shows REMOVING kids from schools with high poverty concentrations IMPROVES performance dramatically.
What do the nitwits running our school district do?
They close a HIGH PERFORMING school.
It boggles the mind.
Someone, somewhere, please suggest keeping this school open, renovate and add capacity for 100 kids,bus in high poverty kids and let's roll.
I continue to be disgusted with the general lack of common sense from these people.
Study after study shows REMOVING kids from schools with high poverty concentrations IMPROVES performance dramatically.
What do the nitwits running our school district do?
They close a HIGH PERFORMING school.
It boggles the mind.
Someone, somewhere, please suggest keeping this school open, renovate and add capacity for 100 kids,bus in high poverty kids and let's roll.
I continue to be disgusted with the general lack of common sense from these people.
Re: My Vote Counts as Much as Yours
Posted by:
SayWHAT?!
()
Date: November 26, 2010 12:11PM
empathy Wrote:
> Actually, it is kind of like cancer. Until
> someone you love is personally affected by it, you
> only hear about it in passing and think it sounds
> terrible. Once you or someone you love is
> personally affected by it, you learn more about it
> and not only want to get rid of it for yourself
> but also have concern for people that could be
> affected by it in the future.
Attachments:
> Actually, it is kind of like cancer. Until
> someone you love is personally affected by it, you
> only hear about it in passing and think it sounds
> terrible. Once you or someone you love is
> personally affected by it, you learn more about it
> and not only want to get rid of it for yourself
> but also have concern for people that could be
> affected by it in the future.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Back to reality
()
Date: November 26, 2010 03:59PM
Comparing the closing of an elementary school to cancer takes an unbelievable lack of self awareness. As far as I am concerned the Clifton posters on this blog got the school board member they deserve. I called my board member and told him to keep Clifton open if for no other reason then to keep these detached parents and poor role models away from the rest of the good parents in the County.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
ah ha
()
Date: November 26, 2010 04:28PM
ROFL.
Now you want to stop the closing of Clifton? For this bizarre reason? Trying to find a way out of the mistake you made?
Now you want to stop the closing of Clifton? For this bizarre reason? Trying to find a way out of the mistake you made?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: November 26, 2010 05:58PM
Back to reality Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Comparing the closing of an elementary school to
> cancer takes an unbelievable lack of self
> awareness. As far as I am concerned the Clifton
> posters on this blog got the school board member
> they deserve. I called my board member and told
> him to keep Clifton open if for no other reason
> then to keep these detached parents and poor role
> models away from the rest of the good parents in
> the County.
Why? Liz Bradsher ran on a platform of respecting community schools. Should the Clifton parents and others in the Springfield District have known that she'd quickly discard that philosophy and pit one community against another instead? Exactly how many more e-mails do you need to see to realize how terribly she's behaved?
It seems quite unlikely that you actually contacted your School Board member, but assuming you did what was his reaction to your argument?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Comparing the closing of an elementary school to
> cancer takes an unbelievable lack of self
> awareness. As far as I am concerned the Clifton
> posters on this blog got the school board member
> they deserve. I called my board member and told
> him to keep Clifton open if for no other reason
> then to keep these detached parents and poor role
> models away from the rest of the good parents in
> the County.
Why? Liz Bradsher ran on a platform of respecting community schools. Should the Clifton parents and others in the Springfield District have known that she'd quickly discard that philosophy and pit one community against another instead? Exactly how many more e-mails do you need to see to realize how terribly she's behaved?
It seems quite unlikely that you actually contacted your School Board member, but assuming you did what was his reaction to your argument?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
ExactlyRight
()
Date: November 26, 2010 06:45PM
no long term thinking Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Every intelligently run school district in the
> counrty is looking for ways to improve student
> performance-particulary those students from high
> povert homes.
>
> Study after study shows REMOVING kids from schools
> with high poverty concentrations IMPROVES
> performance dramatically.
>
> What do the nitwits running our school district
> do?
>
> They close a HIGH PERFORMING school.
>
> It boggles the mind.
>
> Someone, somewhere, please suggest keeping this
> school open, renovate and add capacity for 100
> kids,bus in high poverty kids and let's roll.
>
> I continue to be disgusted with the general lack
> of common sense from these people.
I agree with every word of the above post. This is so true. But FCPS school board members seem to have let their "power" corrupt their thinking over the years. Common sense and practical solutions are LONG GONE.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Every intelligently run school district in the
> counrty is looking for ways to improve student
> performance-particulary those students from high
> povert homes.
>
> Study after study shows REMOVING kids from schools
> with high poverty concentrations IMPROVES
> performance dramatically.
>
> What do the nitwits running our school district
> do?
>
> They close a HIGH PERFORMING school.
>
> It boggles the mind.
>
> Someone, somewhere, please suggest keeping this
> school open, renovate and add capacity for 100
> kids,bus in high poverty kids and let's roll.
>
> I continue to be disgusted with the general lack
> of common sense from these people.
I agree with every word of the above post. This is so true. But FCPS school board members seem to have let their "power" corrupt their thinking over the years. Common sense and practical solutions are LONG GONE.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not Withholding
()
Date: November 26, 2010 11:08PM
withholding information Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Someone please post the email that shows Dean
> Tistadt received the well water results at 2:30
> the day of the meeting and sat on them until the
> meeting started.
>
> I guess that is what FCPS calls "strategic
> governance"
>
> They strategically plot (Bradsher and Wilson) to
> withhold inforrmation that might very well
> influence votes until after the meeting starts.
>
> THANK YOU PATTY REED FOR ASKING THAT THIS INFO BE
> MADE PUBLIC DURING DELIBERATIONS.
>
> At least we have some members showing some ethics!
ask and you shall receive (except from the school board).
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> Someone please post the email that shows Dean
> Tistadt received the well water results at 2:30
> the day of the meeting and sat on them until the
> meeting started.
>
> I guess that is what FCPS calls "strategic
> governance"
>
> They strategically plot (Bradsher and Wilson) to
> withhold inforrmation that might very well
> influence votes until after the meeting starts.
>
> THANK YOU PATTY REED FOR ASKING THAT THIS INFO BE
> MADE PUBLIC DURING DELIBERATIONS.
>
> At least we have some members showing some ethics!
ask and you shall receive (except from the school board).
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MoreCollateralDamage?!
()
Date: November 27, 2010 08:21PM
How many Fairfax County residents must be assaulted directly or indirectly before it is enough?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Comanche
()
Date: November 27, 2010 08:58PM
Here's what Liz's fellow hypocrite, Lisa Adler (former South County PTSA president) had to say in 2005:
"We're not happy," she said. "We want to see responsible discussions that don't upset the spirit of the community we worked so hard to create here. We know it would be best to see a middle school built here, but there are so many other schools with needs ahead of us in the queue."
Of course, Liz and Lisa (maybe we just call them both "Liza with a Z") decided South County should have its cake and eat it, too, and also get a new middle school, even though there is extra capacity at Hayfield and Lake Braddock.
Most of us know what happened next. West Springfield was ignored for quite a while, and then Clifton became the scapegoat for Liz's greedy, short-sighted advocacy on behalf of her Silverbrook friends.
"We're not happy," she said. "We want to see responsible discussions that don't upset the spirit of the community we worked so hard to create here. We know it would be best to see a middle school built here, but there are so many other schools with needs ahead of us in the queue."
Of course, Liz and Lisa (maybe we just call them both "Liza with a Z") decided South County should have its cake and eat it, too, and also get a new middle school, even though there is extra capacity at Hayfield and Lake Braddock.
Most of us know what happened next. West Springfield was ignored for quite a while, and then Clifton became the scapegoat for Liz's greedy, short-sighted advocacy on behalf of her Silverbrook friends.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
on the head!
()
Date: November 28, 2010 11:15AM
Comanche Wrote:
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> Here's what Liz's fellow hypocrite, Lisa Adler
> (former South County PTSA president) had to say in
> 2005:
>
> "We're not happy," she said. "We want to see
> responsible discussions that don't upset the
> spirit of the community we worked so hard to
> create here. We know it would be best to see a
> middle school built here, but there are so many
> other schools with needs ahead of us in the
> queue."
>
> Of course, Liz and Lisa (maybe we just call them
> both "Liza with a Z") decided South County should
> have its cake and eat it, too, and also get a new
> middle school, even though there is extra capacity
> at Hayfield and Lake Braddock.
>
> Most of us know what happened next. West
> Springfield was ignored for quite a while, and
> then Clifton became the scapegoat for Liz's
> greedy, short-sighted advocacy on behalf of her
> Silverbrook friends.
I do believe you just hit the nail on the head!
So, they're building SCOC MS but they only have just over 300 kids to put there right now. So, where do you think they are going to pull kids in from to fill that school once it's done?
Which neighborhoods currently attend Lake Braddock, but are actually much closer to SOCO? After all, LB is getting ready to take in kids from Annandale, so they'll have to pull some out of LB to make room. When is SOCO MS expected to open?
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> Here's what Liz's fellow hypocrite, Lisa Adler
> (former South County PTSA president) had to say in
> 2005:
>
> "We're not happy," she said. "We want to see
> responsible discussions that don't upset the
> spirit of the community we worked so hard to
> create here. We know it would be best to see a
> middle school built here, but there are so many
> other schools with needs ahead of us in the
> queue."
>
> Of course, Liz and Lisa (maybe we just call them
> both "Liza with a Z") decided South County should
> have its cake and eat it, too, and also get a new
> middle school, even though there is extra capacity
> at Hayfield and Lake Braddock.
>
> Most of us know what happened next. West
> Springfield was ignored for quite a while, and
> then Clifton became the scapegoat for Liz's
> greedy, short-sighted advocacy on behalf of her
> Silverbrook friends.
I do believe you just hit the nail on the head!
So, they're building SCOC MS but they only have just over 300 kids to put there right now. So, where do you think they are going to pull kids in from to fill that school once it's done?
Which neighborhoods currently attend Lake Braddock, but are actually much closer to SOCO? After all, LB is getting ready to take in kids from Annandale, so they'll have to pull some out of LB to make room. When is SOCO MS expected to open?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
ur day in court
()
Date: November 28, 2010 08:15PM
I hope everyone learns from this wonderful experience!
I suspect based upon what I have seen that the judge will enable the SB to do what they wish with Clifton.
I think that the process by which this took place is much improved as it pertains to public input via the ad hoc. Just remember kiddies, without the ad hoc, the SB would ahve voted long ago to close Clifton. Additionally, you might not have been able to become as informed as you currently are about what goes no with the SB (not that you wanted to know this information about staff or the school board).
I suspect there will be a charter school openign soon where Clifton Elem. currently is. Good for you Cliftonites. Enjoy!
As for Annandale, they need about 500 less students. Where they send them to is completely up in the air. It is a shame that they simply cannot rennovate or reconstruct Annandale (note that the latest remodels at Lake Braddock and Woodson after remodel are underenrolled). Good use of our taxpayer dollars I guess!
I suspect based upon what I have seen that the judge will enable the SB to do what they wish with Clifton.
I think that the process by which this took place is much improved as it pertains to public input via the ad hoc. Just remember kiddies, without the ad hoc, the SB would ahve voted long ago to close Clifton. Additionally, you might not have been able to become as informed as you currently are about what goes no with the SB (not that you wanted to know this information about staff or the school board).
I suspect there will be a charter school openign soon where Clifton Elem. currently is. Good for you Cliftonites. Enjoy!
As for Annandale, they need about 500 less students. Where they send them to is completely up in the air. It is a shame that they simply cannot rennovate or reconstruct Annandale (note that the latest remodels at Lake Braddock and Woodson after remodel are underenrolled). Good use of our taxpayer dollars I guess!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Lawn Mowin' Liz?
()
Date: November 29, 2010 02:53AM
Clifton ES' future sold for a mow & wash?!
(while Raney talked out of both sides of his mouth?!)
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(while Raney talked out of both sides of his mouth?!)
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Lawn Mowin' Liz?
()
Date: November 29, 2010 11:20AM
and a cherry on top?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I'm done
()
Date: November 29, 2010 02:53PM
At what point did Brad Center make up his mind? Sounds like he told Bradsher before the meeting that he would vote in favor of the closure.
Was Rainey just playing Tina? It looks that way.
I am done with all of them.
We desperately need ethical people to run for our School Board. Please, someone, step up and help us.
Was Rainey just playing Tina? It looks that way.
I am done with all of them.
We desperately need ethical people to run for our School Board. Please, someone, step up and help us.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
quick question
()
Date: November 29, 2010 03:15PM
One question: Was Rainey suggesting he'd back Tina Hone (holding off on closing Clifton)? And he later voted in favor of Liz Bradsher's plan to close Clifton next year?
It would be great if there was a streamlined time line of what happened when, punctuated with the appropriate email(s). I am really disgusted with the scheming that has gone on here. It's difficult to imagine these people caring about ANYONE'S child.
It would be great if there was a streamlined time line of what happened when, punctuated with the appropriate email(s). I am really disgusted with the scheming that has gone on here. It's difficult to imagine these people caring about ANYONE'S child.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Big Brother Gibson
()
Date: November 29, 2010 04:44PM
fcps translation - run along now and let us do what's best for 'our' children.
welcome to mother country fcps.
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welcome to mother country fcps.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: November 29, 2010 05:28PM
I'm done Wrote:
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> At what point did Brad Center make up his mind? Sounds like he told Bradsher before the meeting that he would vote in favor of the closure.
>
> Was Rainey just playing Tina? It looks that way.
>
> I am done with all of them.
>
> We desperately need ethical people to run for our School Board. Please, someone, step up and help us.<
So who have you recruited to run for your magisterial district's school board seat?
Who have you recruited to run for the at large school board seats?
Democracy is a participatory exercise not a spectator sport.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/29/2010 05:29PM by Thomas More.
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> At what point did Brad Center make up his mind? Sounds like he told Bradsher before the meeting that he would vote in favor of the closure.
>
> Was Rainey just playing Tina? It looks that way.
>
> I am done with all of them.
>
> We desperately need ethical people to run for our School Board. Please, someone, step up and help us.<
So who have you recruited to run for your magisterial district's school board seat?
Who have you recruited to run for the at large school board seats?
Democracy is a participatory exercise not a spectator sport.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/29/2010 05:29PM by Thomas More.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
misread me
()
Date: November 29, 2010 06:03PM
Thomas More Wrote:
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> I'm done Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > At what point did Brad Center make up his mind?
> Sounds like he told Bradsher before the meeting
> that he would vote in favor of the closure.
> >
> > Was Rainey just playing Tina? It looks that
> way.
> >
> > I am done with all of them.
> >
> > We desperately need ethical people to run for
> our School Board. Please, someone, step up and
> help us.<
>
> So who have you recruited to run for your
> magisterial district's school board seat?
>
> Who have you recruited to run for the at large
> school board seats?
>
> Democracy is a participatory exercise not a
> spectator sport.
Hey TM-
Given your Reston buddies have allowed that idiot Gibson to keep his seat, I would not be casting stones if I were you.
I am extremely engaged in the process and know of at least three who will unseat Bradsher, Wilson (retiring) and Strauss.
Tina is leaving (can you blame her?), Rainey will leave for health reasons and Moon foolishly thinks he has a shot at the Braddock BOS seat.
That leaves Sully, Mt Vernon and Lee (Center won't run but I don't trust his hand-picked successor).
How about you clean up the Dems in Reston and then mouth off?
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> I'm done Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > At what point did Brad Center make up his mind?
> Sounds like he told Bradsher before the meeting
> that he would vote in favor of the closure.
> >
> > Was Rainey just playing Tina? It looks that
> way.
> >
> > I am done with all of them.
> >
> > We desperately need ethical people to run for
> our School Board. Please, someone, step up and
> help us.<
>
> So who have you recruited to run for your
> magisterial district's school board seat?
>
> Who have you recruited to run for the at large
> school board seats?
>
> Democracy is a participatory exercise not a
> spectator sport.
Hey TM-
Given your Reston buddies have allowed that idiot Gibson to keep his seat, I would not be casting stones if I were you.
I am extremely engaged in the process and know of at least three who will unseat Bradsher, Wilson (retiring) and Strauss.
Tina is leaving (can you blame her?), Rainey will leave for health reasons and Moon foolishly thinks he has a shot at the Braddock BOS seat.
That leaves Sully, Mt Vernon and Lee (Center won't run but I don't trust his hand-picked successor).
How about you clean up the Dems in Reston and then mouth off?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
fox mill mom
()
Date: November 29, 2010 07:07PM
Everyone seems so surprised by the school board actions with the current boundary study and the closing of Clifton. Do you not remember the West County Boundary "study" and decision???? This is the pattern of the school board...give out several options to get the community stirred up and while you're not looking, decide on option "where did you come from - z". As well as, making deals with specific groups to get the result you want.
We need to work together as a county to select quality people to run against these bums. Get them off the board.
We need to work together as a county to select quality people to run against these bums. Get them off the board.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
IckyLeaks
()
Date: November 29, 2010 07:25PM
quick question Wrote:
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> It would be great if there was a streamlined time
> line of what happened when, punctuated with the
> appropriate email(s). I am really disgusted with
> the scheming that has gone on here. It's
> difficult to imagine these people caring about
> ANYONE'S child.
Gibson: Give up the why [scratch] - the 'Y'.
They aren't Your children, they are "Our" children.
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> It would be great if there was a streamlined time
> line of what happened when, punctuated with the
> appropriate email(s). I am really disgusted with
> the scheming that has gone on here. It's
> difficult to imagine these people caring about
> ANYONE'S child.
Gibson: Give up the why [scratch] - the 'Y'.
They aren't Your children, they are "Our" children.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Merci
()
Date: November 29, 2010 08:32PM
Thank you, IckyLeaks! Very useful. I did not realize this all started back in June 2009.
Still can't help but feel this has very little to do with the actual Clifton community, but rather with Liz Bradsher's misplaced/misguided political ambition...?
Still can't help but feel this has very little to do with the actual Clifton community, but rather with Liz Bradsher's misplaced/misguided political ambition...?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: November 29, 2010 11:54PM
misread me Wrote:
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> Given your Reston buddies have allowed that idiot Gibson to keep his seat, I would not be casting stones if I were you.<
Gibson has been convinced not to run for re-election.
> I am extremely engaged in the process and know of at least three who will unseat Bradsher, Wilson (retiring) and Strauss.<
Strauss announced she's running for re-election, dammit. Who you got in Dranesville and Springfield?
> Tina is leaving (can you blame her?),
Folks are trying to change her mind.
>Rainey will leave for health reasons<
Jim could not get the D endorsement again.
> and Moon foolishly thinks he has a shot at the Braddock BOS seat.<
Moon is running for re-election.
> That leaves Sully, Mt Vernon and Lee (Center won't run but I don't trust his hand-picked successor).<
Dan and Kathy are running for re-election.
Who's Center's "hand picked" successor?
> How about you clean up the Dems in Reston and then mouth off?<
Having gotten Gibson not to seek re-election, I guess I'm free to "mouth off."
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> Given your Reston buddies have allowed that idiot Gibson to keep his seat, I would not be casting stones if I were you.<
Gibson has been convinced not to run for re-election.
> I am extremely engaged in the process and know of at least three who will unseat Bradsher, Wilson (retiring) and Strauss.<
Strauss announced she's running for re-election, dammit. Who you got in Dranesville and Springfield?
> Tina is leaving (can you blame her?),
Folks are trying to change her mind.
>Rainey will leave for health reasons<
Jim could not get the D endorsement again.
> and Moon foolishly thinks he has a shot at the Braddock BOS seat.<
Moon is running for re-election.
> That leaves Sully, Mt Vernon and Lee (Center won't run but I don't trust his hand-picked successor).<
Dan and Kathy are running for re-election.
Who's Center's "hand picked" successor?
> How about you clean up the Dems in Reston and then mouth off?<
Having gotten Gibson not to seek re-election, I guess I'm free to "mouth off."
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dr. James Fields
()
Date: November 30, 2010 01:53AM
I find the whole ordeal to be utterly preposterous. You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves for opposing capitalism. So what if this woman is shutting down public schools for political gain? That is what this country is about. Love it, or leave it. Anyone not committed to the school people's decision regarding the stuff, is a damm fool!
I just had a stroke.
........
of wisdom
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;on my cock!
I just had a stroke.
........
of wisdom
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;on my cock!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Decoder
()
Date: November 30, 2010 03:17PM
Merci Wrote:
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> Thank you, IckyLeaks! Very useful. I did not
> realize this all started back in June 2009.
>
> Still can't help but feel this has very little to
> do with the actual Clifton community, but rather
> with Liz Bradsher's misplaced/misguided political
> ambition...?
Misplaced/Misguided? How about DELUSIONAL?
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> Thank you, IckyLeaks! Very useful. I did not
> realize this all started back in June 2009.
>
> Still can't help but feel this has very little to
> do with the actual Clifton community, but rather
> with Liz Bradsher's misplaced/misguided political
> ambition...?
Misplaced/Misguided? How about DELUSIONAL?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Look out Fairview, Sangster, Union Mill - Option D
()
Date: December 01, 2010 10:01PM
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/optiondfactsheet.pdf
What am I missing here? Just looking at current enrollment - this math does not work! Trailers? Coming soon to Fairview, Sangster, Union Mill?
Speak out now against this unrealistic option.
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/optionDfeedback
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What am I missing here? Just looking at current enrollment - this math does not work! Trailers? Coming soon to Fairview, Sangster, Union Mill?
Speak out now against this unrealistic option.
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/optionDfeedback
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
no news is good news
()
Date: December 02, 2010 09:46AM
Where is all the information now regarding the judge decision? It's not like the rest of those in the county didn't tell you so! Clifton is just a small pimple on the rest of the face that is Fairfax County.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: December 02, 2010 10:17AM
no news is good news Wrote:
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> Where is all the information now regarding the
> judge decision? It's not like the rest of those in
> the county didn't tell you so! Clifton is just a
> small pimple on the rest of the face that is
> Fairfax County.
Press Release from Friends of Community Schools
FCPS blocks case in Circuit Court; Parents contemplate VA Supreme Court Appeal
Judge grants parents right to sue, states closing Clifton “very likely wrongâ€
Fairfax County, VA – December 1, 2010 – In Fairfax County Circuit Court today, the Honorable Judge Dennis J. Smith heard closing comments from the attorneys in the lawsuit against the Fairfax County School Board in their closure of Clifton Elementary. Oral arguments were made by the parties on November 22nd after which additional information in supplemental briefs was presented to the Judge.
Noting that the Clifton plaintiffs were aggrieved, Judge Smith decried the School Board’s argument that Clifton parents aren’t negatively affected by the decision. Judge Smith granted their right to sue by stating that the plaintiffs do have standing after reviewing for a second time the video of the June 28th Public Hearing and the July 8th vote. “Closing Clifton is very likely wrong for the Clifton community,†said Judge Smith; “there are many good reasons not to close Clifton.â€
However, Judge Smith said that policy decisions like the one to close the school are “political in natureâ€. Such decisions, he said, need only one reason from the School Board to be deemed not arbitrary and capricious. Therefore, since review of even one reason would amount to acting as a ‘super-School Board’, he upheld the motion by FCPS attorneys to prevent the case from moving forward in Circuit Court. The question of notice by the School Board for its vote was similarly decided.
In rendering his decision from the bench, Judge Smith Honorable ruled on the motion – ‘demurrer’ - filed by FCPS attorneys to prevent the case from moving forward in Circuit Court. The motion claimed that the parents did not have standing to sue and were not aggrieved. The demurrer motion further stated that the decision by the School Board was not ‘arbitrary and capricious’ and that the notice for the vote was not deficient.
Today’s ruling effectively undoes a previous Circuit Court ruling on another controversial school closure – Graham Road Elementary – by the FCPS School Board. The Graham Road action also led to a lawsuit against the School Board, but did not go forward when that judge ruled parents did not have standing.
“Though we hoped for a fully favorable decision on the motion by the School Board to prevent the case from moving forward, Judge Smith is commended for his in-depth review of the oral testimonies by the Publicâ€, said Elizabeth Schultz, an Executive Board member of the Friends of Community Schools, a non-profit organization actively engaged with helping preserve the community school.
“The School Board changed its plan for Clifton Elementary within hours of the end of the Public Hearing - the Judge reviewed the public testimonies longer than the School Board,†said Schultz.
FCPS blocks case in Circuit Court; Parents contemplate VA Supreme Court Appeal
Judge grants parents right to sue, states closing Clifton “very likely wrongâ€
An appeal will likely bring additional information to light, including Freedom of Information Act communications by the School Board submitted by Fairfax County residents. “The FOIA responsesâ€, said Benjamin Chew, Patton Boggs’ lead counsel for the plaintiffs, “amount to just some of the additional information which support the arbitrary and capricious argument as part of the administrative record not considered in today’s decision.â€
The seriousness of the implications for the 17,500+ students in the current Southwestern County boundary study are under contemplation in considering appeal to the Virginia Supreme Court.
###
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> Where is all the information now regarding the
> judge decision? It's not like the rest of those in
> the county didn't tell you so! Clifton is just a
> small pimple on the rest of the face that is
> Fairfax County.
Press Release from Friends of Community Schools
FCPS blocks case in Circuit Court; Parents contemplate VA Supreme Court Appeal
Judge grants parents right to sue, states closing Clifton “very likely wrongâ€
Fairfax County, VA – December 1, 2010 – In Fairfax County Circuit Court today, the Honorable Judge Dennis J. Smith heard closing comments from the attorneys in the lawsuit against the Fairfax County School Board in their closure of Clifton Elementary. Oral arguments were made by the parties on November 22nd after which additional information in supplemental briefs was presented to the Judge.
Noting that the Clifton plaintiffs were aggrieved, Judge Smith decried the School Board’s argument that Clifton parents aren’t negatively affected by the decision. Judge Smith granted their right to sue by stating that the plaintiffs do have standing after reviewing for a second time the video of the June 28th Public Hearing and the July 8th vote. “Closing Clifton is very likely wrong for the Clifton community,†said Judge Smith; “there are many good reasons not to close Clifton.â€
However, Judge Smith said that policy decisions like the one to close the school are “political in natureâ€. Such decisions, he said, need only one reason from the School Board to be deemed not arbitrary and capricious. Therefore, since review of even one reason would amount to acting as a ‘super-School Board’, he upheld the motion by FCPS attorneys to prevent the case from moving forward in Circuit Court. The question of notice by the School Board for its vote was similarly decided.
In rendering his decision from the bench, Judge Smith Honorable ruled on the motion – ‘demurrer’ - filed by FCPS attorneys to prevent the case from moving forward in Circuit Court. The motion claimed that the parents did not have standing to sue and were not aggrieved. The demurrer motion further stated that the decision by the School Board was not ‘arbitrary and capricious’ and that the notice for the vote was not deficient.
Today’s ruling effectively undoes a previous Circuit Court ruling on another controversial school closure – Graham Road Elementary – by the FCPS School Board. The Graham Road action also led to a lawsuit against the School Board, but did not go forward when that judge ruled parents did not have standing.
“Though we hoped for a fully favorable decision on the motion by the School Board to prevent the case from moving forward, Judge Smith is commended for his in-depth review of the oral testimonies by the Publicâ€, said Elizabeth Schultz, an Executive Board member of the Friends of Community Schools, a non-profit organization actively engaged with helping preserve the community school.
“The School Board changed its plan for Clifton Elementary within hours of the end of the Public Hearing - the Judge reviewed the public testimonies longer than the School Board,†said Schultz.
FCPS blocks case in Circuit Court; Parents contemplate VA Supreme Court Appeal
Judge grants parents right to sue, states closing Clifton “very likely wrongâ€
An appeal will likely bring additional information to light, including Freedom of Information Act communications by the School Board submitted by Fairfax County residents. “The FOIA responsesâ€, said Benjamin Chew, Patton Boggs’ lead counsel for the plaintiffs, “amount to just some of the additional information which support the arbitrary and capricious argument as part of the administrative record not considered in today’s decision.â€
The seriousness of the implications for the 17,500+ students in the current Southwestern County boundary study are under contemplation in considering appeal to the Virginia Supreme Court.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Great lets delay the overcrowding solution even longer
()
Date: December 02, 2010 02:20PM
This is fantastic....let's keep the suit alive that way we can delay the solutions to the overcrowded schools in the southwest even longer! I love it! Thank you muc Patton Boggs and all the concerned Clifton parents.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
good point
()
Date: December 02, 2010 02:52PM
I agree. Let's not delay the dire problem of overcrowding in this area. But let's begin by closing a school in the area of overcrowding!!
Won't that be great?! Gee, we are lucky to have these smarties running our schools.
Then, after we decide to close this school, we'll try to figure out where to cram these 400 students.
It won't be cheap.
It will cost nearly $20 million to add on to all these schools but at least we will save the $5-7 million that we could have spent on Clifton.
Lets then make sure all the schools are overcrowded and bring in those trailers so Billy and Betty Lou can breath in the bus fumes all day and the mold.
Having 1000 kids in an elementary school should be a goal we strive for. We want our kids in an environment where they are herded like cattle from the gym to the art room to the cafeteria. Better start serving lunch at 9:30 so we get them all fed by the time they go home.
We are blessed to have such strong leadership on our School Board.
Won't that be great?! Gee, we are lucky to have these smarties running our schools.
Then, after we decide to close this school, we'll try to figure out where to cram these 400 students.
It won't be cheap.
It will cost nearly $20 million to add on to all these schools but at least we will save the $5-7 million that we could have spent on Clifton.
Lets then make sure all the schools are overcrowded and bring in those trailers so Billy and Betty Lou can breath in the bus fumes all day and the mold.
Having 1000 kids in an elementary school should be a goal we strive for. We want our kids in an environment where they are herded like cattle from the gym to the art room to the cafeteria. Better start serving lunch at 9:30 so we get them all fed by the time they go home.
We are blessed to have such strong leadership on our School Board.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Logical
()
Date: December 02, 2010 03:33PM
Highly illogical to complain about "overcrowding" in southwestern Fairfax County schools and vindictively conspire to close a successful school in the same area.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
sweet
()
Date: December 02, 2010 03:33PM
Yes, the SB is wise! Clearly, they spoke for everyone, not just the poor Cliftonites who will be forced to send their children to overcrowded schools with capacities near 1000 kids like everyone else in the County. No elitism here! And the judge is so wise as to not over rule a decision made by such a wise elected body. I suspect that teh closing date will be after the end of this year. And that 5-6 million will indeed come in handy in supplies needed to rennovate another more needy school. Get real!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Its going to happen
()
Date: December 02, 2010 04:38PM
My kids were redistricted by Stu Gibson and Liz Bradsher in the last mess. At that time Liz spoke to us of this one. She made it clear it was a she scratch his back she scratch hers deal. You all are only wasting your energy. I wish i had listened before i gave up almost 8 months of my life, meeting with SB members, speaking to the press and hiring lawyers. In the end we pupil placed back into our original school. I realize that is not an option here but I guarantee you they will do what they want. Figure out what's in it for Liz and you will have a crystal ball on the outcome. She is completely without morals. I actually came out of the last one liking Stu better because at least he was honest.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz the Ripper
()
Date: December 02, 2010 05:16PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
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> no news is good news Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
Clifton is just a
> > small pimple on the rest of the face that is
> > Fairfax County.
Fascinating that the judge basically told the FCPS attorneys that the School Board got it wrong.
Just because the FCPS attorneys threw a motion into the court process that prevented it from going forward doesnot mean that those Clifton parents can't win. Without that motion, this case would already be full blown.
The FCPS SB and their snake in the grass attorneys are so skilled at avoiding transparency and screwing parents around the county that it is criminal.
Every school is a small pimple in the grand scheme - each are insignificant to the whole - that is the way FCPS wants it - so they can pop any school at any time for any reason. Total control. Kind of like the pigs in Animal Farm
(...until the revolt).
-------------------------------------------------------
> no news is good news Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
Clifton is just a
> > small pimple on the rest of the face that is
> > Fairfax County.
Fascinating that the judge basically told the FCPS attorneys that the School Board got it wrong.
Just because the FCPS attorneys threw a motion into the court process that prevented it from going forward doesnot mean that those Clifton parents can't win. Without that motion, this case would already be full blown.
The FCPS SB and their snake in the grass attorneys are so skilled at avoiding transparency and screwing parents around the county that it is criminal.
Every school is a small pimple in the grand scheme - each are insignificant to the whole - that is the way FCPS wants it - so they can pop any school at any time for any reason. Total control. Kind of like the pigs in Animal Farm
(...until the revolt).
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LongTimeFairviewParent
()
Date: December 02, 2010 05:18PM
I find it humorous that they are going to add 150+ kids to Fairview next fall with no additions along with not touching Oak View, Bonnie Brae, Terra Centre, or Liz's Silverbrook (which is way under capacity)
The transportation times they posted are a joke. Clifton to Sangster in 16 mins? Clifton to Fairview in 10mins? Ha! Only if you have one bus designated for each kid. After having mine sit on the bus for an hour in kindergarten for a school that was 3 miles away, that is not going to happen in FCPS.
The transportation times they posted are a joke. Clifton to Sangster in 16 mins? Clifton to Fairview in 10mins? Ha! Only if you have one bus designated for each kid. After having mine sit on the bus for an hour in kindergarten for a school that was 3 miles away, that is not going to happen in FCPS.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to LongTimeFairviewPaarent
()
Date: December 02, 2010 05:50PM
I live in Clifton and it looks like my kids will be going to Sangster. Where did the FCPS post the transportation time for each school? I drove the route and it seems like a 45-50 minutes each way for a school bus. That is too long for small children to be on a bus.
Thanks FCPS! You really know how screw as all over.
PS Not one more dime of my money is going to FCPS. Oh,except for all those taxes I pay.
Thanks FCPS! You really know how screw as all over.
PS Not one more dime of my money is going to FCPS. Oh,except for all those taxes I pay.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LongTimeFairviewParent
()
Date: December 02, 2010 05:56PM
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sangster doesn't want ANY kids!
()
Date: December 02, 2010 06:09PM
It seems that Clifton's friend, Bob Larsen, is now petitioning the SB to NOT move ANY kids into Sangster.
Bob, first of all, what is your deal? Why the hard-on for Clifton?
You were one of the most vocal proponents of closing Clifton, and hey, Sangster can even take in kids from Clifton. Now, you're forming a committee to keep Clifton kids out of Sangster?
Dude, you need help. Seriously.
Although, I have to admit, your way eliminates all four options presented by the School Board so far. So please, feel free to advocate your little heart out to keep Clifton kids out of Sangster. Maybe it will solicit even more "options" from the SB.
You know, aside from the outrageous bussing times from Clifton to Sangster, I'm sure many Clifton parents slated for Sangster were happy to know that at least their child would indeed attend an excellent school if there is absolutely no choice about it.
Clifton parents are NOT against our surrounding neighborhoods, regardless of the picture some are trying to paint. Keeping Clifton open means that all of our surrounding communities reap the benefits of keeping all of these schools excellent.
I'm not talking about demographics and ESOL and F&RL. The fact is, all of the options resulting from closing Clifton will cost more $$$$, and create overcrowding in ALL of the schools. Taking the overwhelming majority of schools in this region to 105% capacity now is going to be a disaster 3 years from now. Every single one of these schools will be maxed out at "acceptable sizes" for elementary schools, and there won't be anywhere to build a new one, except at Liberty of course. That's a whole other issue.
Bob, first of all, what is your deal? Why the hard-on for Clifton?
You were one of the most vocal proponents of closing Clifton, and hey, Sangster can even take in kids from Clifton. Now, you're forming a committee to keep Clifton kids out of Sangster?
Dude, you need help. Seriously.
Although, I have to admit, your way eliminates all four options presented by the School Board so far. So please, feel free to advocate your little heart out to keep Clifton kids out of Sangster. Maybe it will solicit even more "options" from the SB.
You know, aside from the outrageous bussing times from Clifton to Sangster, I'm sure many Clifton parents slated for Sangster were happy to know that at least their child would indeed attend an excellent school if there is absolutely no choice about it.
Clifton parents are NOT against our surrounding neighborhoods, regardless of the picture some are trying to paint. Keeping Clifton open means that all of our surrounding communities reap the benefits of keeping all of these schools excellent.
I'm not talking about demographics and ESOL and F&RL. The fact is, all of the options resulting from closing Clifton will cost more $$$$, and create overcrowding in ALL of the schools. Taking the overwhelming majority of schools in this region to 105% capacity now is going to be a disaster 3 years from now. Every single one of these schools will be maxed out at "acceptable sizes" for elementary schools, and there won't be anywhere to build a new one, except at Liberty of course. That's a whole other issue.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Clifton Parent
()
Date: December 02, 2010 07:18PM
I'm a Clifton Parent and I am very concerned about Option D. I do not understand how the 370 Clifton kids are going to be put into schools that DO NOT have the capacity to absorb them in 2011. Will kids be placed into trailers while the additions are being constructed? Also, how large will Fairview, Sangster, and Union Mill become after the 370 Clifton kids are put into them? Can one of you FCPS employees or SB members explain that, please?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bwahahaack
()
Date: December 02, 2010 07:26PM
Fairfax County Republican Committee: This just in! Congrats to Lin-Dai Kendall, our Springfield FCRC Member elected as President of the Clifton Women's Club. A special thanks for her leadership, our FCRC Member Lynn Falk did an amazing job as the outgoing President and Keith Fimian could always count on this group!!!! Thank you!
The same Lin-Dai who just wrote The Fairfax County Times a semi-literate letter whining about the Clifton closing. The first sentence took up the entire first paragraph and was about 73 words long!
"KENDALL ","LIN DAI ","S","046"," 11711","YATESFORD ","RD","FAIRFAX STAT","VA","04/29/2005","40-44MPH/25MPH ZONE "
"KENDALL ","LIN DAI ","S","046"," 11711","YATESFORD ","RD","FAIRFAX STAT","VA","09/23/2005","40-44MPH/25MPH ZONE
http://www.facebook.com/lindai.kendall
Likes: Sean Hannity
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11711-Yates-Ford-Rd-Fairfax-Station-VA-22039/51929027_zpid/
Looks like a case of Tea Party-ism, except when it is in Lin-Dai's backyard.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to bwahahaack
()
Date: December 02, 2010 07:51PM
She's standing up for a cause she believes in. Who are you and what are you doing?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: December 02, 2010 07:56PM
LongTimeFairviewParent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I find it humorous that they are going to add 150+
> kids to Fairview next fall with no additions along
> with not touching Oak View, Bonnie Brae, Terra
> Centre, or Liz's Silverbrook (which is way under
> capacity)
>
> The transportation times they posted are a joke.
> Clifton to Sangster in 16 mins? Clifton to
> Fairview in 10mins? Ha! Only if you have one bus
> designated for each kid. After having mine sit
> on the bus for an hour in kindergarten for a
> school that was 3 miles away, that is not going to
> happen in FCPS.
Hey, Liz knows this area extremely well. Just read the Fairfax Station Patch interview series. She has driven all the roads in this area and is well aware of what it is like. You are doubting the genius that is the logic of FCPS Staff and School Board. How dare you!!!
On a serious note, if someone can get from Clifton Elementary to Sangster Elementary in 16 minutes, please let me know what time of day and via what transportation method that uses actual roads.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I find it humorous that they are going to add 150+
> kids to Fairview next fall with no additions along
> with not touching Oak View, Bonnie Brae, Terra
> Centre, or Liz's Silverbrook (which is way under
> capacity)
>
> The transportation times they posted are a joke.
> Clifton to Sangster in 16 mins? Clifton to
> Fairview in 10mins? Ha! Only if you have one bus
> designated for each kid. After having mine sit
> on the bus for an hour in kindergarten for a
> school that was 3 miles away, that is not going to
> happen in FCPS.
Hey, Liz knows this area extremely well. Just read the Fairfax Station Patch interview series. She has driven all the roads in this area and is well aware of what it is like. You are doubting the genius that is the logic of FCPS Staff and School Board. How dare you!!!
On a serious note, if someone can get from Clifton Elementary to Sangster Elementary in 16 minutes, please let me know what time of day and via what transportation method that uses actual roads.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: December 02, 2010 08:47PM
I would call these "plans" a comedy of errors, but I guess a tragedy of errors is probably closer to the truth.
I'm glad that Liz Bradsher has made such a total hash of things that it's clear that she has absolutely no political future in this county, but even so it's sad to see all the senseless disruption that now appears likely to take place under any of FCPS's purported "options."
They still need to offer Option E - "none of the above."
I'm glad that Liz Bradsher has made such a total hash of things that it's clear that she has absolutely no political future in this county, but even so it's sad to see all the senseless disruption that now appears likely to take place under any of FCPS's purported "options."
They still need to offer Option E - "none of the above."
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bwahahaack
()
Date: December 02, 2010 09:21PM
to bwahahaack Wrote:
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> She's standing up for a cause she believes in. Who
> are you and what are you doing?
A middle class taxpayer tired of seeing the rich and affluent get their way, thus causing our taxes to increase.
You don't like it, go the private school route. Lord knows you folks have the $$$ to pay for it.
-------------------------------------------------------
> She's standing up for a cause she believes in. Who
> are you and what are you doing?
A middle class taxpayer tired of seeing the rich and affluent get their way, thus causing our taxes to increase.
You don't like it, go the private school route. Lord knows you folks have the $$$ to pay for it.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to bwahahaack
()
Date: December 02, 2010 09:45PM
Ok, so to your thinking, the taxpayers in McLean, Great Falls, Oakton, etc. should also not have schools in their communities. We should just draw lines around affluent communities, take away their schools, and then also make them pay taxes.
Or do you just have it out for Clifton? BTW... Clifton is FULL OF middle class tax payers, just like you. Did you know that?
Please don't turn this into a partisan debate or a rich vs. poor debate. That is not what this is about. If you have read the posts, you would be fully aware of that.
This is about a School Board that made a bad decision. period.
Or do you just have it out for Clifton? BTW... Clifton is FULL OF middle class tax payers, just like you. Did you know that?
Please don't turn this into a partisan debate or a rich vs. poor debate. That is not what this is about. If you have read the posts, you would be fully aware of that.
This is about a School Board that made a bad decision. period.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bwahahaack is incorrect
()
Date: December 02, 2010 10:03PM
Actually, Bwahhahaack, the cause of our budget problems is that Fairfax County's demographics have changed.
There is an increasing population of people who consume more than they produce. And of course the schools absorb a large part of the impact. I understand that people like you who trade in the language of class envy may find this objectionable, but the burdens are real and the resources to finance those burdens comes from the most productive. Thus in Fairfax County is not the case that the rich and affluent are raising taxes - it is a burgeoning lower and lower middle class with demands, particularly for social services, that seem to be growing and causing the problems, Of course, the economic problem is that what governments subsidize they tend to get more of, so if you pause a minute you may begin to understand why some residents are not excited about continuing to subsidize dependencies and, when it comes to schools, mediocrity. This might give you some insight as to why the closing of the Clifton school can be considered an assault on success, which makes your statement inviting residents to go the private school route ill considered. We all benefit from strong public schools, and the strong performers should be treasured and replicated.
Moreover, I don't understand your economic rationale (if indeed you have one other than mere class envy). The County when it comes to individuals derives most its revenue from property and personal property taxes. It can be safely assume that Clifton residents pay more in property taxes than many other areas of the County, and likewise when it comes to automobiles. So they do indeed pay more taxes to the County already. And this taxation scheme is not nearly as regressive as, by way of example, the federal social security and employment tax arrangement. Again, mere class envy seems to be your message. But that is a weak reed upon which to base policy.
There is an increasing population of people who consume more than they produce. And of course the schools absorb a large part of the impact. I understand that people like you who trade in the language of class envy may find this objectionable, but the burdens are real and the resources to finance those burdens comes from the most productive. Thus in Fairfax County is not the case that the rich and affluent are raising taxes - it is a burgeoning lower and lower middle class with demands, particularly for social services, that seem to be growing and causing the problems, Of course, the economic problem is that what governments subsidize they tend to get more of, so if you pause a minute you may begin to understand why some residents are not excited about continuing to subsidize dependencies and, when it comes to schools, mediocrity. This might give you some insight as to why the closing of the Clifton school can be considered an assault on success, which makes your statement inviting residents to go the private school route ill considered. We all benefit from strong public schools, and the strong performers should be treasured and replicated.
Moreover, I don't understand your economic rationale (if indeed you have one other than mere class envy). The County when it comes to individuals derives most its revenue from property and personal property taxes. It can be safely assume that Clifton residents pay more in property taxes than many other areas of the County, and likewise when it comes to automobiles. So they do indeed pay more taxes to the County already. And this taxation scheme is not nearly as regressive as, by way of example, the federal social security and employment tax arrangement. Again, mere class envy seems to be your message. But that is a weak reed upon which to base policy.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sangster
()
Date: December 02, 2010 11:07PM
Sangster doesn't want ANY kids! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It seems that Clifton's friend, Bob Larsen, is now
> petitioning the SB to NOT move ANY kids into
> Sangster.
>
> Bob, first of all, what is your deal? Why the
> hard-on for Clifton?
>
> You were one of the most vocal proponents of
> closing Clifton, and hey, Sangster can even take
> in kids from Clifton. Now, you're forming a
> committee to keep Clifton kids out of Sangster?
>
> Dude, you need help. Seriously.
>
> Although, I have to admit, your way eliminates all
> four options presented by the School Board so far.
> So please, feel free to advocate your little
> heart out to keep Clifton kids out of Sangster.
> Maybe it will solicit even more "options" from the
> SB.
>
> You know, aside from the outrageous bussing times
> from Clifton to Sangster, I'm sure many Clifton
> parents slated for Sangster were happy to know
> that at least their child would indeed attend an
> excellent school if there is absolutely no choice
> about it.
>
> Clifton parents are NOT against our surrounding
> neighborhoods, regardless of the picture some are
> trying to paint. Keeping Clifton open means that
> all of our surrounding communities reap the
> benefits of keeping all of these schools
> excellent.
>
> I'm not talking about demographics and ESOL and
> F&RL. The fact is, all of the options resulting
> from closing Clifton will cost more $$$$, and
> create overcrowding in ALL of the schools. Taking
> the overwhelming majority of schools in this
> region to 105% capacity now is going to be a
> disaster 3 years from now. Every single one of
> these schools will be maxed out at "acceptable
> sizes" for elementary schools, and there won't be
> anywhere to build a new one, except at Liberty of
> course. That's a whole other issue.
Correction: Sangster USED TO BE an excellent school. Once it becomes an overcrowded school, let's just see how its numbers look then!
-------------------------------------------------------
> It seems that Clifton's friend, Bob Larsen, is now
> petitioning the SB to NOT move ANY kids into
> Sangster.
>
> Bob, first of all, what is your deal? Why the
> hard-on for Clifton?
>
> You were one of the most vocal proponents of
> closing Clifton, and hey, Sangster can even take
> in kids from Clifton. Now, you're forming a
> committee to keep Clifton kids out of Sangster?
>
> Dude, you need help. Seriously.
>
> Although, I have to admit, your way eliminates all
> four options presented by the School Board so far.
> So please, feel free to advocate your little
> heart out to keep Clifton kids out of Sangster.
> Maybe it will solicit even more "options" from the
> SB.
>
> You know, aside from the outrageous bussing times
> from Clifton to Sangster, I'm sure many Clifton
> parents slated for Sangster were happy to know
> that at least their child would indeed attend an
> excellent school if there is absolutely no choice
> about it.
>
> Clifton parents are NOT against our surrounding
> neighborhoods, regardless of the picture some are
> trying to paint. Keeping Clifton open means that
> all of our surrounding communities reap the
> benefits of keeping all of these schools
> excellent.
>
> I'm not talking about demographics and ESOL and
> F&RL. The fact is, all of the options resulting
> from closing Clifton will cost more $$$$, and
> create overcrowding in ALL of the schools. Taking
> the overwhelming majority of schools in this
> region to 105% capacity now is going to be a
> disaster 3 years from now. Every single one of
> these schools will be maxed out at "acceptable
> sizes" for elementary schools, and there won't be
> anywhere to build a new one, except at Liberty of
> course. That's a whole other issue.
Correction: Sangster USED TO BE an excellent school. Once it becomes an overcrowded school, let's just see how its numbers look then!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Future
()
Date: December 02, 2010 11:29PM
Liz Bradsher is an idiot. Let's roll the picture forward. It's next September 2011. She has closed Clifton and redistricted thousands of children. Then just 2 months after all of those families in the various schools have been unsettled and they are pissed off about it, they are going to go to vote in the November 2011 election. She thinks she can either win re-election for the School Board or as County Supervisor? HA! What dream world is she living in? People don't get upset until they are personally impacted and by then they will be and it will be a very fresh pain.
The reality is that it doesn't matter how much people hate Clifton or what they think the justification was for closing Clifton, once their own lives are disrupted and they hit the voting booths, her political future is DOA. That is what next September/November is going to look like next year. If she had any sense at all she would find a way to leave Clifton open another year and stop or slow down the boundary study until after the election but the fact that she won't do that merely proves what an idiot she is. She is her own worst political enemy.
The reality is that it doesn't matter how much people hate Clifton or what they think the justification was for closing Clifton, once their own lives are disrupted and they hit the voting booths, her political future is DOA. That is what next September/November is going to look like next year. If she had any sense at all she would find a way to leave Clifton open another year and stop or slow down the boundary study until after the election but the fact that she won't do that merely proves what an idiot she is. She is her own worst political enemy.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
For the record
()
Date: December 03, 2010 05:53AM
Bob Larsen does NOT speak for Sangster at any level. He has tried his best to impose his will on the community and was shut down once and the PTA will do it again if need be.
Closing Clifton is wrong, but we will always welcom the children.
Closing Clifton is wrong, but we will always welcom the children.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bwahahaack
()
Date: December 03, 2010 08:05AM
bwahahaack is incorrect Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Actually, Bwahhahaack, the cause of our budget
> problems is that Fairfax County's demographics
> have changed.
So, what you are saying is that since you pay more in taxes than I, you're entitled to keep a costly and small school open.
Especially since your kids do so well there.
I think that proves my point.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Actually, Bwahhahaack, the cause of our budget
> problems is that Fairfax County's demographics
> have changed.
So, what you are saying is that since you pay more in taxes than I, you're entitled to keep a costly and small school open.
Especially since your kids do so well there.
I think that proves my point.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: December 03, 2010 09:57AM
Bwahahaack Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, what you are saying is that since you pay more
> in taxes than I, you're entitled to keep a costly
> and small school open.
>
> Especially since your kids do so well there.
>
> I think that proves my point.
Yes, by all means let's spend lots more money than we actually need to, so that every child can attend a 900+ student elementary school and everyone can be equally dissatisfied with FCPS. Great strategy.
Seriously. The Clifton folks have a school that works; if it ain't broke, don't fix it. They aren't all rich, and all those kids currently feed into Robinson Secondary, which is huge. And, there are numerous schools that are about Clifton's size spread throughout the county. Several were recently renovated.
Defending the School Board's actions based on the need to teach the rich and uniquely pampered Cliftonites a lesson is something that only Liz Bradsher or an uninformed troll would do.
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, what you are saying is that since you pay more
> in taxes than I, you're entitled to keep a costly
> and small school open.
>
> Especially since your kids do so well there.
>
> I think that proves my point.
Yes, by all means let's spend lots more money than we actually need to, so that every child can attend a 900+ student elementary school and everyone can be equally dissatisfied with FCPS. Great strategy.
Seriously. The Clifton folks have a school that works; if it ain't broke, don't fix it. They aren't all rich, and all those kids currently feed into Robinson Secondary, which is huge. And, there are numerous schools that are about Clifton's size spread throughout the county. Several were recently renovated.
Defending the School Board's actions based on the need to teach the rich and uniquely pampered Cliftonites a lesson is something that only Liz Bradsher or an uninformed troll would do.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Queen Borg
()
Date: December 03, 2010 11:38AM
If all the Clifton kids feed into "Robinson Secondary which is huge" what's the harm in startign the assimulation early into a school with 900 kids. They will be used to the largeness by the time the get to Robinson and not shell shocked!
Resistance is futile. You will be assimulated.
So sayeth the Queen Borg!
Resistance is futile. You will be assimulated.
So sayeth the Queen Borg!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LongTimeFairviewParent
()
Date: December 03, 2010 12:15PM
It seems to me that the more money you make it Fairfax Cnty, the less school services you receive. 1/2 day kindergarten is a perfect example. There are only a handful of ES left that have 1/2 day kindergarten. Guess where those schools are? The more affluent areas. Clifton is not fighting for special services. They don't want their kids to spend an hour plus one way going to school. Many of the Clifton kindergarten kids will spend more time on a bus next year than actual time in the classroom. Clifton ES covers the largest land area of any FCPS ES. Closing Clifton seems ridiculous given the existing overcrowding issues.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bwahahaack
()
Date: December 03, 2010 12:29PM
Skeptical wrote:
>
> Yes, by all means let's spend lots more money than
> we actually need to, so that every child can
> attend a 900+ student elementary school and
> everyone can be equally dissatisfied with FCPS.
> Great strategy.
It's already proven that shutting down CES is the best fiscal option.
While I don't agree with the board very often, this is one decision they got right.
Sorry, I know the truth hurts.
>
> Yes, by all means let's spend lots more money than
> we actually need to, so that every child can
> attend a 900+ student elementary school and
> everyone can be equally dissatisfied with FCPS.
> Great strategy.
It's already proven that shutting down CES is the best fiscal option.
While I don't agree with the board very often, this is one decision they got right.
Sorry, I know the truth hurts.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
full day kindergarten issue
()
Date: December 03, 2010 12:32PM
Bradsher has always complained that many of her schools don't have all day K. I think 35 schools county-wide are without all day K.
Are these additions and all of this shuffling of students related to implementing all day k in these schools?
I have not seen this argued but I do recall seeing one of the FOIAed emails that talked about it.
Are these additions and all of this shuffling of students related to implementing all day k in these schools?
I have not seen this argued but I do recall seeing one of the FOIAed emails that talked about it.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bwhwaack again is wrong
()
Date: December 03, 2010 02:47PM
Bwahaack:
1. My kids have long graduated from FCPS. They went on to matriculate at the very best schools in the United States - you know that excellence thing. They neither attended Clifton nor have I lived anywhere near Clifton, ever.
2. Moreover, and I fully recognize you may have a limited education, you fail to pick up on the obvious gravamen of my previous post. It has nothing to do with whether I pay more taxes than you. In fact, that point is irrelevant. What is apposite is that the cause, contrary to your ill considered (again, you likely have a mediocre education) and ridiculous statement that the rich are the cause of our tax increases. No, what has increased our tax burdens is an influx of people who demand a lot more from government at all levels than in the past. This puts more pressure on those who do produce to pay for it all. Note that (and I am already getting the notion you are not very intelligent) this statement does not deal with the issue of whether the burdens are worth paying for or servicing as a political question, but it is folly to ascribe budget problems to the so-called rich, unless what you really mean is that we should re-distribute more wealth away from them.
3. Note you also did not respond to my statement regarding class envy. I suspect you lack the wherewithal to do so.
4. As far as the closing of Clifton goes, in my view if the schools want to close a very successful school (and frankly success is a limited commodity these days) they ought to have a very compelling rationale to do so. You may have distilled one; I have yet to see one. And the email notes which reflect that the Board runs itself like a gossipy sorority don't inculcate any confidence in the notion that a truly compelling rationale was ever adopted.
1. My kids have long graduated from FCPS. They went on to matriculate at the very best schools in the United States - you know that excellence thing. They neither attended Clifton nor have I lived anywhere near Clifton, ever.
2. Moreover, and I fully recognize you may have a limited education, you fail to pick up on the obvious gravamen of my previous post. It has nothing to do with whether I pay more taxes than you. In fact, that point is irrelevant. What is apposite is that the cause, contrary to your ill considered (again, you likely have a mediocre education) and ridiculous statement that the rich are the cause of our tax increases. No, what has increased our tax burdens is an influx of people who demand a lot more from government at all levels than in the past. This puts more pressure on those who do produce to pay for it all. Note that (and I am already getting the notion you are not very intelligent) this statement does not deal with the issue of whether the burdens are worth paying for or servicing as a political question, but it is folly to ascribe budget problems to the so-called rich, unless what you really mean is that we should re-distribute more wealth away from them.
3. Note you also did not respond to my statement regarding class envy. I suspect you lack the wherewithal to do so.
4. As far as the closing of Clifton goes, in my view if the schools want to close a very successful school (and frankly success is a limited commodity these days) they ought to have a very compelling rationale to do so. You may have distilled one; I have yet to see one. And the email notes which reflect that the Board runs itself like a gossipy sorority don't inculcate any confidence in the notion that a truly compelling rationale was ever adopted.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: December 03, 2010 02:57PM
Bwahahaack Wrote:
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> It's already proven that shutting down CES is the
> best fiscal option.
>
> While I don't agree with the board very often,
> this is one decision they got right.
>
> Sorry, I know the truth hurts.
Sorry, I must have missed the "proof" part.
Would you be so kind as to provide it and highlight the portions that convincingly demonstrate that closing down CES and building additions at an ever-changing number of schools is more cost-efficient than keeping the school open (with or without the modest renovations that the Clifton parents had indicated they would happily accept)?
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> It's already proven that shutting down CES is the
> best fiscal option.
>
> While I don't agree with the board very often,
> this is one decision they got right.
>
> Sorry, I know the truth hurts.
Sorry, I must have missed the "proof" part.
Would you be so kind as to provide it and highlight the portions that convincingly demonstrate that closing down CES and building additions at an ever-changing number of schools is more cost-efficient than keeping the school open (with or without the modest renovations that the Clifton parents had indicated they would happily accept)?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bqahahaack
()
Date: December 03, 2010 11:09PM
Skeptical Wrote:
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>
> >
> > Sorry, I know the truth hurts.
>
> Sorry, I must have missed the "proof" part.
You folks are so blinded by your (understandable) zeal to keep your little school open that you wouldn't recognize truth, facts, and proof if it hit you over the head with a baseball bat.
It's been covered, you just don't want to see it. The term for your affliction is called denial.
The responsible fiscal decision is to close CES.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > Sorry, I know the truth hurts.
>
> Sorry, I must have missed the "proof" part.
You folks are so blinded by your (understandable) zeal to keep your little school open that you wouldn't recognize truth, facts, and proof if it hit you over the head with a baseball bat.
It's been covered, you just don't want to see it. The term for your affliction is called denial.
The responsible fiscal decision is to close CES.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Who's Next?
()
Date: December 04, 2010 02:21AM
Which school is next?
Which neighborhood is next?
Which students aare next?
Which community is next?
Which teachers are next?
LEMON ROAD ES 265
BUCKNELL ES 289
MOUNT EAGLE ES 304
LITTLE RUN ES 333
GARFIELD ES 334
CLIFTON ES 366
FAIRFAX VILLA ES 380
SHERMAN ES 382
VIENNA ES 386
COLUMBIA ES 397
OLDE CREEK ES 415
TERRASET ES 418
SLEEPY HOLLOW ES 449
BUSH HILL ES 451
GRAHAM ROAD ES 456
WAKEFIELD FOREST ES 457
WEST SPRINGFIELD ES 462
CUNNINGHAM PARK ES 465
BEECH TREE ES 466
CLERMONT ES 468
KINGS GLEN ES 468
LYNBROOK ES 473
CUB RUN ES 477
ARMSTRONG ES 490
BREN MAR PARK ES 490
STENWOOD ES 494
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Which neighborhood is next?
Which students aare next?
Which community is next?
Which teachers are next?
LEMON ROAD ES 265
BUCKNELL ES 289
MOUNT EAGLE ES 304
LITTLE RUN ES 333
GARFIELD ES 334
CLIFTON ES 366
FAIRFAX VILLA ES 380
SHERMAN ES 382
VIENNA ES 386
COLUMBIA ES 397
OLDE CREEK ES 415
TERRASET ES 418
SLEEPY HOLLOW ES 449
BUSH HILL ES 451
GRAHAM ROAD ES 456
WAKEFIELD FOREST ES 457
WEST SPRINGFIELD ES 462
CUNNINGHAM PARK ES 465
BEECH TREE ES 466
CLERMONT ES 468
KINGS GLEN ES 468
LYNBROOK ES 473
CUB RUN ES 477
ARMSTRONG ES 490
BREN MAR PARK ES 490
STENWOOD ES 494
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: December 04, 2010 10:02AM
> You folks are so blinded by your (understandable)
> zeal to keep your little school open that you
> wouldn't recognize truth, facts, and proof if it
> hit you over the head with a baseball bat.
>
> It's been covered, you just don't want to see it.
> The term for your affliction is called denial.
>
> The responsible fiscal decision is to close CES.
I'll take that as an admission there's no such proof.
> zeal to keep your little school open that you
> wouldn't recognize truth, facts, and proof if it
> hit you over the head with a baseball bat.
>
> It's been covered, you just don't want to see it.
> The term for your affliction is called denial.
>
> The responsible fiscal decision is to close CES.
I'll take that as an admission there's no such proof.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
No Proof, No Spine
()
Date: December 04, 2010 01:05PM
Hey Kids! FCPS SB featured in N.O. Spine's new book!
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bwahahaack
()
Date: December 04, 2010 01:44PM
Skeptical Wrote:
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>
> I'll take that as an admission there's no such
> proof.
Keep drinking that Flavor Aid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown#Deaths_in_Jonestown
My favorite fallacy is the repeated 'Clifton parents were agreeable to minimal and downscaled renovations"
The fact is, Clifton parents are not in a position to determine what renovations are necessary and which are not.
Of course if CES is made into a Charter School, then they may have the power to do so.
Continue on with the lunacy, I'll be back later.
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>
> I'll take that as an admission there's no such
> proof.
Keep drinking that Flavor Aid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown#Deaths_in_Jonestown
My favorite fallacy is the repeated 'Clifton parents were agreeable to minimal and downscaled renovations"
The fact is, Clifton parents are not in a position to determine what renovations are necessary and which are not.
Of course if CES is made into a Charter School, then they may have the power to do so.
Continue on with the lunacy, I'll be back later.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bring it on
()
Date: December 04, 2010 02:43PM
I guess the charter school solution is upon us. In order to get some say in the schools, they have to be made charters now. Charters have their own "boards". This is going to get very interesting.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bwahahaack attack
()
Date: December 04, 2010 03:33PM
My favorite fallacy is the repeated 'Clifton parents were agreeable to minimal and downscaled renovations"
The fact is, Clifton parents are not in a position to determine what renovations are necessary and which are not.
Of course if CES is made into a Charter School, then they may have the power to do so.
Continue on with the lunacy, I'll be back later.
You have nothing of substance to offer this post. You're either Liz Bradsher herself, a relative, one of her few friends, or a complete asshole troll. You post at all of hours of the day so you need to get a real job and a fucking life. Loser.
The fact is, Clifton parents are not in a position to determine what renovations are necessary and which are not.
Of course if CES is made into a Charter School, then they may have the power to do so.
Continue on with the lunacy, I'll be back later.
You have nothing of substance to offer this post. You're either Liz Bradsher herself, a relative, one of her few friends, or a complete asshole troll. You post at all of hours of the day so you need to get a real job and a fucking life. Loser.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: December 04, 2010 09:24PM
bwahahaack Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> My favorite fallacy is the repeated 'Clifton
> parents were agreeable to minimal and downscaled
> renovations"
>
> The fact is, Clifton parents are not in a position
> to determine what renovations are necessary and
> which are not.
>
> Of course if CES is made into a Charter School,
> then they may have the power to do so.
>
> Continue on with the lunacy, I'll be back later.
I've suggested now several times that you provide a link to whatever documents you think set forth a compelling cost-benefit analysis in favor of closing Clifton. The fact that you repeatedly decline to do so, and hide behind platitudes, suggests either that you aren't aware of any such analysis or are indeed a "complete * * * troll."
Clifton parents obviously lacked the authority to determine whether and which renovations should be made to Clifton ES. However, that's not to say that their views could not have been solicited and fully considered, or that there are not Clifton residents quite qualified to offer advice.
As to whether Clifton becomes a charter school, the School Board is apparently in the midst of developing policies that would make it an extremely time-consuming process to establish a charter school in the county. It's not exactly something FCPS would welcome with open arms, as it would serve as a constant reminder that parents have lost faith in the School Board's ability to administer fairly the county's very large school system. As a result, if the idea of a charter school in Clifton goes forward, expect FCPS to apply much more rigor to evaluating that application than it did in rubber-stamping Liz Bradsher's scheme to close down Clifton.
-------------------------------------------------------
> My favorite fallacy is the repeated 'Clifton
> parents were agreeable to minimal and downscaled
> renovations"
>
> The fact is, Clifton parents are not in a position
> to determine what renovations are necessary and
> which are not.
>
> Of course if CES is made into a Charter School,
> then they may have the power to do so.
>
> Continue on with the lunacy, I'll be back later.
I've suggested now several times that you provide a link to whatever documents you think set forth a compelling cost-benefit analysis in favor of closing Clifton. The fact that you repeatedly decline to do so, and hide behind platitudes, suggests either that you aren't aware of any such analysis or are indeed a "complete * * * troll."
Clifton parents obviously lacked the authority to determine whether and which renovations should be made to Clifton ES. However, that's not to say that their views could not have been solicited and fully considered, or that there are not Clifton residents quite qualified to offer advice.
As to whether Clifton becomes a charter school, the School Board is apparently in the midst of developing policies that would make it an extremely time-consuming process to establish a charter school in the county. It's not exactly something FCPS would welcome with open arms, as it would serve as a constant reminder that parents have lost faith in the School Board's ability to administer fairly the county's very large school system. As a result, if the idea of a charter school in Clifton goes forward, expect FCPS to apply much more rigor to evaluating that application than it did in rubber-stamping Liz Bradsher's scheme to close down Clifton.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bwahahaack
()
Date: December 04, 2010 10:29PM
bwahahaack attack Wrote:
>
> You have nothing of substance to offer this post.
> You're either Liz Bradsher herself, a relative,
> one of her few friends, or a complete asshole
> troll. You post at all of hours of the day so you
> need to get a real job and a fucking life. Loser.
That little tidbit was just chock full of substance.
Since you don't have facts to post, you choose to attack the person.
Let's face it, small school, bad wells, expensive renovation needs, safety and fire issues, poor egress -
It's time to say goodbye to CES
And we vote too!
bwahahahaha
>
> You have nothing of substance to offer this post.
> You're either Liz Bradsher herself, a relative,
> one of her few friends, or a complete asshole
> troll. You post at all of hours of the day so you
> need to get a real job and a fucking life. Loser.
That little tidbit was just chock full of substance.
Since you don't have facts to post, you choose to attack the person.
Let's face it, small school, bad wells, expensive renovation needs, safety and fire issues, poor egress -
It's time to say goodbye to CES
And we vote too!
bwahahahaha
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bwahahaack
()
Date: December 04, 2010 10:33PM
Skeptical Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> As to whether Clifton becomes a charter school,
> the School Board is apparently in the midst of
> developing policies that would make it an
> extremely time-consuming process to establish a
> charter school in the county. It's not exactly
> something FCPS would welcome with open arms, as it
> would serve as a constant reminder that parents
> have lost faith in the School Board's ability to
> administer fairly the county's very large school
> system. As a result, if the idea of a charter
> school in Clifton goes forward, expect FCPS to
> apply much more rigor to evaluating that
> application than it did in rubber-stamping Liz
> Bradsher's scheme to close down Clifton.
I agree with what you wrote above and suspect you're correct. The board would hate the competition, but school choice is the best option. It would be a shame if they quashed a Charter School effort.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> As to whether Clifton becomes a charter school,
> the School Board is apparently in the midst of
> developing policies that would make it an
> extremely time-consuming process to establish a
> charter school in the county. It's not exactly
> something FCPS would welcome with open arms, as it
> would serve as a constant reminder that parents
> have lost faith in the School Board's ability to
> administer fairly the county's very large school
> system. As a result, if the idea of a charter
> school in Clifton goes forward, expect FCPS to
> apply much more rigor to evaluating that
> application than it did in rubber-stamping Liz
> Bradsher's scheme to close down Clifton.
I agree with what you wrote above and suspect you're correct. The board would hate the competition, but school choice is the best option. It would be a shame if they quashed a Charter School effort.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Next
()
Date: December 05, 2010 09:32AM
If they quash the charter school effort, say goodbye to any "Race to the Top" funds or other federal monies that reward innovation in education. The current federal administration loves charter schools. The SB has to decide what it wants---either we maintain ourselves as a county of high achieving communities that are close knit and supportive and where the locals have a stake in their schools or we become a big urban mass that is run by a "machine" that thinks it knows best for us (as we are just the "peasants" who live here). (I wonder if Liz Bradsher is thinking of starting up some private schools to earn money). I know which model I prefer---how about all of you?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
charters
()
Date: December 05, 2010 02:17PM
Interesting article:
http://www.loudouni.com/news/2010-12-01/virginias-charter-school-law-gets-%E2%80%98f%E2%80%99
http://www.loudouni.com/news/2010-12-01/virginias-charter-school-law-gets-%E2%80%98f%E2%80%99
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Say WHAT?!
()
Date: December 06, 2010 12:59AM
Who is FCPS more concerned about engaging?
This about covers it.
"Parents, Zip It!" should be the "public engagment" slogan for FCPS and the wretched trolls on the school board.
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This about covers it.
"Parents, Zip It!" should be the "public engagment" slogan for FCPS and the wretched trolls on the school board.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FrustratedFCPSParent
()
Date: December 06, 2010 11:51AM
It only gets better - check out Liz telling folks that she's got the Clifton vote all locked up back in MARCH long before the staff reports, committee reports !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! See Tisdadt slam Herrity. Unbelievable. Get this filth out of our schools!
From: Lisa Adler [lkadler@cox.net]
To: rrobertory1@earthlink.net; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 3/16/2010 9:10:04 AM
Subject: RE: Note-
Attachments:
Ha�hope they defer to you, why the heck shouldn�t they.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [mailto:ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:25 AM
To: 'rrobertory1@earthlink.net'; 'lkadler@cox.net'
Subject: Fw: Note-
See response--this issue is going to blow many up. I come out with my decision on this in June. Interesting timing isn't it? The Board will defer to me.
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Dale, Jack
Cc: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); James, Denise; Noonan, Peter J; Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Sent: Tue Mar 16 07:09:38 2010
Subject: RE: Note--Clifton ES
It must be nice to live in a world in which you can just make-up your own version of reality and then shovel it all around you as you travel about your little universe. I think we have enough evidence to ask the court for a search warrant to check his house for crack.
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:45 PM
To: Dale, Jack
Cc: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Tistadt, Dean; James, Denise; Noonan, Peter J; Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Subject: Note--Clifton ES
Importance: High
Dear Jack,
Tonight I attended a candidate forum for the Republican Primary scheduled in June. The forum was held in Clifton and as you would expect the issue of Clifton ES (CES) was brought forth for comment by the 2 candidates; Keith Fimmian and Pat Herrity. Mr. Fimmian declined to comment saying such an issue and decision was the responsibility of local elected officials. Supervisor Herrity responded by saying he was the first person to bring this issue forth to the town, he did not believe in closing the school and that this was the system�s way of spreading the demographics of Clifton and the high achieving students in this school to other surrounding schools that were not performing. He continued by saying CES didn�t have any problems structurally and that this pretense was a way to close a school and move students so diversity could take place. He also said such a move would destroy the community and upset the students as today they are sent to 3 different schools after attending CES. Per his comment CES offers them the only chance to get to know friends. He went on to point out that our system had over 19 PR employees, citing our system was bloated.
Obviously Pat�s response was extremely misleading and inaccurate. I approached the sponsors of this meeting and asked if I could do a presentation to set the record straight and suggested May might be a good month to do so. (I am hopeful we will have the Committee�s report by then and also staff�s) The CES issue is going to be very controversial, if it isn�t already so. I will be sending the Committee�s finding and staff�s finding to Chairman Bulova, Senator Barker, Del. Hugo, Supervisor Herrity and Congressman Connolly. I believe it is important all elected officials have the facts if they so choose to read about them.
I wanted all the recipients on this email to know the issues of CES and the over capacity situation of the schools in this study are being misrepresented. This presents a serious concern for FCPS and jeopardizes the hard work of the Community Engagement Community as well as staff.
Liz B.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
From: Lisa Adler [lkadler@cox.net]
To: rrobertory1@earthlink.net; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 3/16/2010 9:10:04 AM
Subject: RE: Note-
Attachments:
Ha�hope they defer to you, why the heck shouldn�t they.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [mailto:ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:25 AM
To: 'rrobertory1@earthlink.net'; 'lkadler@cox.net'
Subject: Fw: Note-
See response--this issue is going to blow many up. I come out with my decision on this in June. Interesting timing isn't it? The Board will defer to me.
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Dale, Jack
Cc: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); James, Denise; Noonan, Peter J; Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Sent: Tue Mar 16 07:09:38 2010
Subject: RE: Note--Clifton ES
It must be nice to live in a world in which you can just make-up your own version of reality and then shovel it all around you as you travel about your little universe. I think we have enough evidence to ask the court for a search warrant to check his house for crack.
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:45 PM
To: Dale, Jack
Cc: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Tistadt, Dean; James, Denise; Noonan, Peter J; Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Subject: Note--Clifton ES
Importance: High
Dear Jack,
Tonight I attended a candidate forum for the Republican Primary scheduled in June. The forum was held in Clifton and as you would expect the issue of Clifton ES (CES) was brought forth for comment by the 2 candidates; Keith Fimmian and Pat Herrity. Mr. Fimmian declined to comment saying such an issue and decision was the responsibility of local elected officials. Supervisor Herrity responded by saying he was the first person to bring this issue forth to the town, he did not believe in closing the school and that this was the system�s way of spreading the demographics of Clifton and the high achieving students in this school to other surrounding schools that were not performing. He continued by saying CES didn�t have any problems structurally and that this pretense was a way to close a school and move students so diversity could take place. He also said such a move would destroy the community and upset the students as today they are sent to 3 different schools after attending CES. Per his comment CES offers them the only chance to get to know friends. He went on to point out that our system had over 19 PR employees, citing our system was bloated.
Obviously Pat�s response was extremely misleading and inaccurate. I approached the sponsors of this meeting and asked if I could do a presentation to set the record straight and suggested May might be a good month to do so. (I am hopeful we will have the Committee�s report by then and also staff�s) The CES issue is going to be very controversial, if it isn�t already so. I will be sending the Committee�s finding and staff�s finding to Chairman Bulova, Senator Barker, Del. Hugo, Supervisor Herrity and Congressman Connolly. I believe it is important all elected officials have the facts if they so choose to read about them.
I wanted all the recipients on this email to know the issues of CES and the over capacity situation of the schools in this study are being misrepresented. This presents a serious concern for FCPS and jeopardizes the hard work of the Community Engagement Community as well as staff.
Liz B.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Stu Stew
()
Date: December 06, 2010 12:04PM
Another ingredient in the FCPS toxic brew "Stu Stew".
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Big Brother
()
Date: December 06, 2010 12:34PM
Recently - to increase public engagement (appearance), FCPS changed its committee called "LINKAGE" to "Public Engagement".
New slogan from FCPS?
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New slogan from FCPS?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
put a tent over this circus
()
Date: December 06, 2010 02:05PM
Time for The BOS to step up to the plate and save us from these misfits.
The BOS gabe SOCO community TEN MILLION DOLLARS for a school we don't even need!!!
Why can't they fund a modest renovation for Clifton for $5 million?
This SB and Dale's staff are so unprofessional and hateful. Our tax dollars at work, folks.
The BOS gabe SOCO community TEN MILLION DOLLARS for a school we don't even need!!!
Why can't they fund a modest renovation for Clifton for $5 million?
This SB and Dale's staff are so unprofessional and hateful. Our tax dollars at work, folks.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Which team is he on?
()
Date: December 06, 2010 04:02PM
From: larsen family [mailto:larsenva@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 7:05 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: executive summary-Sub Group C b attachment-2nd attempt to keep the spirit of our charter
Good Morning,
Yesterday, I had a 25 min office call with Sharon Bulivo... It was a neat conversation. Her assistant asked for another copy of my group's pitch, which I just sent to him.
She had only heard the Clifton point of view from the community to date
thanks for sticking with what is right for the County.
Have a great weekend
vr bob l
Is the same Bob Larsen-a Sangster parent-who is leading the charge to keep the Clifton kids out of "His" school???
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 7:05 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: executive summary-Sub Group C b attachment-2nd attempt to keep the spirit of our charter
Good Morning,
Yesterday, I had a 25 min office call with Sharon Bulivo... It was a neat conversation. Her assistant asked for another copy of my group's pitch, which I just sent to him.
She had only heard the Clifton point of view from the community to date
thanks for sticking with what is right for the County.
Have a great weekend
vr bob l
Is the same Bob Larsen-a Sangster parent-who is leading the charge to keep the Clifton kids out of "His" school???
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Pot to Kettle
()
Date: December 06, 2010 04:03PM
well, aren't these folks just peaches?
Attachments:
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
vaRun
()
Date: December 06, 2010 04:14PM
How is Bob Larsen trying to keep Clifton kids out of Sangster?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
vaRun
()
Date: December 06, 2010 04:16PM
Also, what is relationship between Lix Bradsher and Peter Noonan, FCPS Board employee who lives in town of Clifton? Was he in collusion, too?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
reader
()
Date: December 06, 2010 04:22PM
Who benefits from all this school construction?
Usual rule of thumb: follow the money.....
Is there property involved? contractors? I have not seen anyone address this.
Usual rule of thumb: follow the money.....
Is there property involved? contractors? I have not seen anyone address this.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
someone call DOJ
()
Date: December 06, 2010 04:30PM
Question???
Does The US Department of Justice want Stu Gibson blabbing about a pending court case?
Just wondering?????
From: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member)
To: sblesi@aol.com
Cc: Shimer, Andrea
Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:27 am
Subject: RE: Fairfax County Schools
Mr. Blesi,
I write to respond to your phone call of a few weeks ago and your e-mail of last
night.
On June 2, 2010, I appeared at a status conference out of town, during which the
judge in a major tax shelter case set a series of threshold factual issues for
trial on two-weeks’ notice. I have spent most of the past three weeks preparing
for and conducting that trial. I left town the morning of Sunday, June 13, and
returned late last Saturday night. I have spent most of this week preparing
for the next phase of that case, in which the parties must file proposed
findings and conclusions by July 30, and preparing for a round of expert witness
depositions scheduled in three weeks in a major tax shelter case of first
impression.
As a result, I have not been able to devote any significant time this month to
addressing the issues surrounding Clifton Elementary School, on which we will
vote July 8.
I appreciate your offer and request to meet with me about the issues surrounding
the Superintendent’s recommendation – made following a lengthy and intensive
community engagement and study process – to close Clifton Elementary School, and
use the funds that otherwise would be spent on renovating Clifton to address
significant capacity needs at other schools in the southwestern part of Fairfax
County. I am not certain whether I will have an opportunity to meet with you,
your group, the Mayor of Clifton, and others who seek to engage me on this
issue. I do, however, want to respond to something in your e-mail of yesterday
in which you suggest how I approach this decision.
I have served on the Fairfax County School Board for nearly 15 years. I have
worked in the Tax Division of the Department of Justice for 26 years. I take my
responsibilities in both jobs very seriously. I do not make decisions on the
basis of emotion, but on the basis of principle. I do not count my e-mails, and
then vote with whomever sends the most. I have made many decisions over the
years, and I have a pretty well-developed idea about how to make decisions that
take into account the interests of all the people who may be affected by my
decision, including the people who have not formed or joined organized advocacy
groups. In short, I know my responsibilities, and attend to them diligently.
My constituents in Hunter Mill District, whether or not they agree with any
particular decision I have made over the years, understand and appreciate the
thoughtful approach I bring to my School Board service.
In this case, I do know a few things:
1. Only 22 children from the Town of Clifton now attend Clifton Elementary
School.
2. Other children in the Town of Clifton attend the Advanced Academic
Studies (GT) Center at Willow Springs Elementary School. Still other children
in the Town of Clifton and the surrounding area are pupil placed into nearby
elementary schools for child care, because Clifton does not have a SACC center.
3. Every child who attends a school in Fairfax County is entitled to learn
in a building that supports the current program of studies, and provides
students and teachers with access to up-to-date facilities and technology. I
cannot vote to spend money to renovate any school, where the renovation simply
preserves an existing, inadequate facility, one that was not built to meet the
needs of children in the 21st Century. Such a decision wastes scarce tax
dollars, and shortchanges the children in that building.
4. We need to provide classroom space to children who live in other
communities in southwestern Fairfax County, many of whose schools are grossly
overcrowded.
5. We have unmet facilities needs throughout Fairfax County. And every
dollar we spend on one school is a dollar we cannot spend to meet the facilities
needs of another school.
Having said those things, I will continue to study and review the available
information. I will listen to the public testimony, and consider all the
arguments. At the end of the day, I will make my decision on this matter as I
have on every other facilities issue I have voted on during my tenure on the
Board: considering what is in the best interests of all the children whom we
serve, whether they live in Clifton or elsewhere.
Thank you,
Stu Gibson
School Board Member
Hunter Mill District
Does The US Department of Justice want Stu Gibson blabbing about a pending court case?
Just wondering?????
From: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member)
To: sblesi@aol.com
Cc: Shimer, Andrea
Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:27 am
Subject: RE: Fairfax County Schools
Mr. Blesi,
I write to respond to your phone call of a few weeks ago and your e-mail of last
night.
On June 2, 2010, I appeared at a status conference out of town, during which the
judge in a major tax shelter case set a series of threshold factual issues for
trial on two-weeks’ notice. I have spent most of the past three weeks preparing
for and conducting that trial. I left town the morning of Sunday, June 13, and
returned late last Saturday night. I have spent most of this week preparing
for the next phase of that case, in which the parties must file proposed
findings and conclusions by July 30, and preparing for a round of expert witness
depositions scheduled in three weeks in a major tax shelter case of first
impression.
As a result, I have not been able to devote any significant time this month to
addressing the issues surrounding Clifton Elementary School, on which we will
vote July 8.
I appreciate your offer and request to meet with me about the issues surrounding
the Superintendent’s recommendation – made following a lengthy and intensive
community engagement and study process – to close Clifton Elementary School, and
use the funds that otherwise would be spent on renovating Clifton to address
significant capacity needs at other schools in the southwestern part of Fairfax
County. I am not certain whether I will have an opportunity to meet with you,
your group, the Mayor of Clifton, and others who seek to engage me on this
issue. I do, however, want to respond to something in your e-mail of yesterday
in which you suggest how I approach this decision.
I have served on the Fairfax County School Board for nearly 15 years. I have
worked in the Tax Division of the Department of Justice for 26 years. I take my
responsibilities in both jobs very seriously. I do not make decisions on the
basis of emotion, but on the basis of principle. I do not count my e-mails, and
then vote with whomever sends the most. I have made many decisions over the
years, and I have a pretty well-developed idea about how to make decisions that
take into account the interests of all the people who may be affected by my
decision, including the people who have not formed or joined organized advocacy
groups. In short, I know my responsibilities, and attend to them diligently.
My constituents in Hunter Mill District, whether or not they agree with any
particular decision I have made over the years, understand and appreciate the
thoughtful approach I bring to my School Board service.
In this case, I do know a few things:
1. Only 22 children from the Town of Clifton now attend Clifton Elementary
School.
2. Other children in the Town of Clifton attend the Advanced Academic
Studies (GT) Center at Willow Springs Elementary School. Still other children
in the Town of Clifton and the surrounding area are pupil placed into nearby
elementary schools for child care, because Clifton does not have a SACC center.
3. Every child who attends a school in Fairfax County is entitled to learn
in a building that supports the current program of studies, and provides
students and teachers with access to up-to-date facilities and technology. I
cannot vote to spend money to renovate any school, where the renovation simply
preserves an existing, inadequate facility, one that was not built to meet the
needs of children in the 21st Century. Such a decision wastes scarce tax
dollars, and shortchanges the children in that building.
4. We need to provide classroom space to children who live in other
communities in southwestern Fairfax County, many of whose schools are grossly
overcrowded.
5. We have unmet facilities needs throughout Fairfax County. And every
dollar we spend on one school is a dollar we cannot spend to meet the facilities
needs of another school.
Having said those things, I will continue to study and review the available
information. I will listen to the public testimony, and consider all the
arguments. At the end of the day, I will make my decision on this matter as I
have on every other facilities issue I have voted on during my tenure on the
Board: considering what is in the best interests of all the children whom we
serve, whether they live in Clifton or elsewhere.
Thank you,
Stu Gibson
School Board Member
Hunter Mill District
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
survivor
()
Date: December 06, 2010 04:38PM
Ask the Floris and Fox Mill parents if they "appreciate" Gibson's thoughtful approach.....
from "Someone call DOJ"
My constituents in Hunter Mill District, whether or not they agree with any
particular decision I have made over the years, understand and appreciate the
thoughtful approach I bring to my School Board service.
from "Someone call DOJ"
My constituents in Hunter Mill District, whether or not they agree with any
particular decision I have made over the years, understand and appreciate the
thoughtful approach I bring to my School Board service.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
open meetings law? anyone?
()
Date: December 06, 2010 05:04PM
From: Cain, Debora L. [DLCain@fcps.edu]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/14/2010 7:43:50 AM
Subject: FW: My note to Full Board, and more
Attachments:
Liz – You might want to remind Charlie that at last Thursday’s SB meeting, Kathy Smith announced that no constituents would be riding the bus – Charlie was in attendance at this meeting! Kathy went on to state that constituents are welcome to follow the bus or meet the School Board members at Clifton ES, but they would not be allowed to ride the bus.
In MHO, let’s say for a moment we would even consider making exceptions for constituents who are openly advocating against the closure of Clifton to ride the bus. Alternately, shouldn’t consideration be given to allowing constituents who feel just as strongly about closing Clifton to ride the bus as well?
Perhaps Charlie needs to be reminded of Kathy’s remarks. Just my two cents.
Hope Villanova was fun!
Deb
Huh? So FCPS has a School Board WORK SESSION which happens to take place at Clifton-more than 3 members are in attendance-I guess that qualifies as an open meeting. And yet...........
Nobody was allowed in the school.
$2.2 Billion tax dollars goes to these guys....
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/14/2010 7:43:50 AM
Subject: FW: My note to Full Board, and more
Attachments:
Liz – You might want to remind Charlie that at last Thursday’s SB meeting, Kathy Smith announced that no constituents would be riding the bus – Charlie was in attendance at this meeting! Kathy went on to state that constituents are welcome to follow the bus or meet the School Board members at Clifton ES, but they would not be allowed to ride the bus.
In MHO, let’s say for a moment we would even consider making exceptions for constituents who are openly advocating against the closure of Clifton to ride the bus. Alternately, shouldn’t consideration be given to allowing constituents who feel just as strongly about closing Clifton to ride the bus as well?
Perhaps Charlie needs to be reminded of Kathy’s remarks. Just my two cents.
Hope Villanova was fun!
Deb
Huh? So FCPS has a School Board WORK SESSION which happens to take place at Clifton-more than 3 members are in attendance-I guess that qualifies as an open meeting. And yet...........
Nobody was allowed in the school.
$2.2 Billion tax dollars goes to these guys....
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
promises, promises
()
Date: December 06, 2010 05:53PM
From: Joana Garcia [parentsforfulldayk@yahoo.com]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/30/2010 8:31:29 PM
Subject: Last weeks meeting
Attachments:
Hi Liz,
I got the feedback from Barbara about the meeting. Wow, 1 person. I am really surprised the staff wasn't there. Sorry for the poor turnout. I am going to keep the push on. Let me know if you have any more ideas.
How did the hearing this week concerning Clifton go? Mike is on travel this week so the boys and I spent the evening having dinner and taking dad to a late flight to London on Monday otherwise I would have been there.
Thanks for your time and I'll keep pushing,
Joana
Is Liz promising All Day K with the "savings" from Clifton ES?
Won't they be surprised.....
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/30/2010 8:31:29 PM
Subject: Last weeks meeting
Attachments:
Hi Liz,
I got the feedback from Barbara about the meeting. Wow, 1 person. I am really surprised the staff wasn't there. Sorry for the poor turnout. I am going to keep the push on. Let me know if you have any more ideas.
How did the hearing this week concerning Clifton go? Mike is on travel this week so the boys and I spent the evening having dinner and taking dad to a late flight to London on Monday otherwise I would have been there.
Thanks for your time and I'll keep pushing,
Joana
Is Liz promising All Day K with the "savings" from Clifton ES?
Won't they be surprised.....
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
what does Bob get in return?
()
Date: December 06, 2010 05:56PM
From: larsen family [larsenva@cox.net]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/24/2010 9:12:16 AM
Subject: How are you?
Attachments:
Good AM Liz
I'm catching my breath enough for a big presentation that I have to give at Quantico after lunch
How are you doing?
I had two more friends say that they will go on record to say, it is not smart to pay for Clifton ES
Nice fair articles in paper yesterday and today
best
bob l
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/24/2010 9:12:16 AM
Subject: How are you?
Attachments:
Good AM Liz
I'm catching my breath enough for a big presentation that I have to give at Quantico after lunch
How are you doing?
I had two more friends say that they will go on record to say, it is not smart to pay for Clifton ES
Nice fair articles in paper yesterday and today
best
bob l
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
odd connection
()
Date: December 06, 2010 06:06PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Polton, Arthur
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 3/12/2010 3:24:39 PM
Subject: Re: From the Principal
Attachments:
Great email and send the bathroom bids-- a jacuzzi tub would be nice!
----- Original Message -----
From: Polton, Arthur J
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Fri Mar 12 15:08:51 2010
Subject: FW: From the Principal
This went out on Keep in Touch today. I have an estimate for your bathroom remodel. Demo can start any time you are ready. Have a great weekend.
Arthur Polton
Principal
Clifton Elementary School (703) 988-8000
Is Liz having work done on her house by the former Clifton principal?
To: Polton, Arthur
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 3/12/2010 3:24:39 PM
Subject: Re: From the Principal
Attachments:
Great email and send the bathroom bids-- a jacuzzi tub would be nice!
----- Original Message -----
From: Polton, Arthur J
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Fri Mar 12 15:08:51 2010
Subject: FW: From the Principal
This went out on Keep in Touch today. I have an estimate for your bathroom remodel. Demo can start any time you are ready. Have a great weekend.
Arthur Polton
Principal
Clifton Elementary School (703) 988-8000
Is Liz having work done on her house by the former Clifton principal?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
another best from Bob and Liz
()
Date: December 06, 2010 06:21PM
These just keep getting better and better!
Did Polton REALLY remodel her bathroom????
Attachments:
Did Polton REALLY remodel her bathroom????
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
these two are classless
()
Date: December 06, 2010 06:25PM
From: Tistadt, Dean [datistadt@fcps.edu]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/25/2010 5:17:17 AM
Subject: Re: Three Things
Attachments:
I hope you are hanging in okay. I am afraid that It is going to get worse before it gets better.
Pissing off Tina is an admireable thing.
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Thu Jun 24 23:19:24 2010
Subject: Re: Three Things
I thought he was referring to that unsure though.
Many thanks--apparently Herrity called my cell tonight. I pissed off Tina in the closed meeting. It's a banner week for me!
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Shouldn't Tistadt be working on the CIP????!!!
He gossips like a teenage girl! And this is what we get for $225k per year!
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/25/2010 5:17:17 AM
Subject: Re: Three Things
Attachments:
I hope you are hanging in okay. I am afraid that It is going to get worse before it gets better.
Pissing off Tina is an admireable thing.
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Thu Jun 24 23:19:24 2010
Subject: Re: Three Things
I thought he was referring to that unsure though.
Many thanks--apparently Herrity called my cell tonight. I pissed off Tina in the closed meeting. It's a banner week for me!
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Shouldn't Tistadt be working on the CIP????!!!
He gossips like a teenage girl! And this is what we get for $225k per year!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
please go on a VERY LONG vacation
()
Date: December 06, 2010 06:30PM
rom: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:02 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Three Things
All interesting. But I wonder why we are spending a huge amount of time and staff on the ad hoc process if in the end we are still being viewed as not being transparent! Give me a break!
And now we are going to let school communities decide when they should be renovated? You know Woodson complained (and still complains) about the need to have workmen on their campus to do renovations.
Where does it end? I need to go on a long vacation!
Tessie Wilson
Vice Chairman
School Board Member
Braddock District
What Tessie meant to say.......
How dare these communities tell us what to do with their tax dollars!!!!!!!!!!
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:02 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Three Things
All interesting. But I wonder why we are spending a huge amount of time and staff on the ad hoc process if in the end we are still being viewed as not being transparent! Give me a break!
And now we are going to let school communities decide when they should be renovated? You know Woodson complained (and still complains) about the need to have workmen on their campus to do renovations.
Where does it end? I need to go on a long vacation!
Tessie Wilson
Vice Chairman
School Board Member
Braddock District
What Tessie meant to say.......
How dare these communities tell us what to do with their tax dollars!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Hey kids-your school board cusses like you do!
()
Date: December 06, 2010 06:33PM
----Original Message-----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:59 PM
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Three Things
Bullshit!
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-----Original Message-----
From: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:59 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Three Things
I saw the coverage on channel 7. Pat said that he didn't think the school system got the numbers right for the cost of renovation. Also said that the more limited renovation would save money over building a new school.
Kathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:55 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Subject: FW: Three Things
Check this out... note the spin and this idea about WSHS taking Clifton's place on the CIP, this is Herrity's spin. He took my comments about the CIP and the queue last night and spun it. I was waiting to see how he would spin it and this is it.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:59 PM
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Three Things
Bullshit!
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-----Original Message-----
From: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:59 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Three Things
I saw the coverage on channel 7. Pat said that he didn't think the school system got the numbers right for the cost of renovation. Also said that the more limited renovation would save money over building a new school.
Kathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:55 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Subject: FW: Three Things
Check this out... note the spin and this idea about WSHS taking Clifton's place on the CIP, this is Herrity's spin. He took my comments about the CIP and the queue last night and spun it. I was waiting to see how he would spin it and this is it.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
business ethics??? I don't think so
()
Date: December 06, 2010 06:45PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Paul Liberty
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/15/2010 11:11:37 PM
Subject: RE: SOAR Leadership - WSHS
Attachments:
Kind of a tough situation but I believe I know the right direction to take. Four years of business school at Villanova, some grad school and the course Business Ethics were not wasted on me, my parents would be glad to know that!
I look forward to meeting with you and others members of SOAR soon. As always Paul I appreciate your comments. Many thanks,
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
To: Paul Liberty
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/15/2010 11:11:37 PM
Subject: RE: SOAR Leadership - WSHS
Attachments:
Kind of a tough situation but I believe I know the right direction to take. Four years of business school at Villanova, some grad school and the course Business Ethics were not wasted on me, my parents would be glad to know that!
I look forward to meeting with you and others members of SOAR soon. As always Paul I appreciate your comments. Many thanks,
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
so much for the ethics class
()
Date: December 06, 2010 06:50PM
From: Tistadt, Dean [datistadt@fcps.edu]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/16/2010 3:05:46 PM
Subject: RE: SOAR Leadership - WSHS
Attachments:
I am glad you are reaching out. I think you need to be careful with your message to ensure you now disconnect the Clifton decision from a new school on the Liberty site decision. You have continued the connection in your message (last paragraph).
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To date I have many needs in the Springfield District which require capital dollars; it is most difficult for me to reason spending scarce capital funds to renovate a school projected to have less than 300 students in 3-4 years. Schools wait for years to be renovated. One in particular, West Springfield High School, was admittedly left off the renovation schedule by our system in error. This school will be over capacity by several hundred students in 3-4 years and is over capacity now. The school is used 24-7 for county uses and for school uses, it is in great need of renovation.
I grew up in this county and we may agree to differ on this but I would not want my child in the same classroom I had as a child. Classrooms today offer so much more to children. I understand if you do not agree with this, however the question I am dealing with is do I spend money to renovate a school that is declining in population with an impending renovation that exceeds the cost of a new school or do I offer a brand new school for residents that meets all educational specifications to a great number of Clifton students, resolves capacity needs and saves money for other district capital needs? My decision is difficult because I know the Clifton community has strong emotional ties to attend Clifton, even if it remains the same without a renovation.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
Dean
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:51 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject: FW: SOAR Leadership - WSHS
This is what I sent last night. They get it now and word is spreading.
I like the clean approach of dealing with just Clifton at this moment.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/16/2010 3:05:46 PM
Subject: RE: SOAR Leadership - WSHS
Attachments:
I am glad you are reaching out. I think you need to be careful with your message to ensure you now disconnect the Clifton decision from a new school on the Liberty site decision. You have continued the connection in your message (last paragraph).
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To date I have many needs in the Springfield District which require capital dollars; it is most difficult for me to reason spending scarce capital funds to renovate a school projected to have less than 300 students in 3-4 years. Schools wait for years to be renovated. One in particular, West Springfield High School, was admittedly left off the renovation schedule by our system in error. This school will be over capacity by several hundred students in 3-4 years and is over capacity now. The school is used 24-7 for county uses and for school uses, it is in great need of renovation.
I grew up in this county and we may agree to differ on this but I would not want my child in the same classroom I had as a child. Classrooms today offer so much more to children. I understand if you do not agree with this, however the question I am dealing with is do I spend money to renovate a school that is declining in population with an impending renovation that exceeds the cost of a new school or do I offer a brand new school for residents that meets all educational specifications to a great number of Clifton students, resolves capacity needs and saves money for other district capital needs? My decision is difficult because I know the Clifton community has strong emotional ties to attend Clifton, even if it remains the same without a renovation.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
Dean
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:51 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject: FW: SOAR Leadership - WSHS
This is what I sent last night. They get it now and word is spreading.
I like the clean approach of dealing with just Clifton at this moment.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
question that needs answering
()
Date: December 06, 2010 07:04PM
Why is Dean so anxious to build a new school?
I understand Liz and her political aspirations. But, why does Dean give her so much support?
The other school board members generally go along with what the rep wants to do in his/her district. But, I don't see how they could support something that is so egregious as this. Especially if they saw the emails.
I understand Liz and her political aspirations. But, why does Dean give her so much support?
The other school board members generally go along with what the rep wants to do in his/her district. But, I don't see how they could support something that is so egregious as this. Especially if they saw the emails.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
save the dam school already
()
Date: December 06, 2010 07:07PM
pulled this from the post above with the attachment. hate attachments, btw. but the poster has an excellent point. if the community engagement committee reports and experience would keep clifton open, then what happened? were the reports altered by staff to support closing clifton?
And yeah, if they had 9 months to study the issue and still submitted reports in support of keeping clifton open, I think they had enough time to really look at the issue.
Save the damn school already so we can end this thread already! Fess up school board, you done f'ed up and it's time to come clean. Thank your colleague Liz Brasher for the lesson in humility while you're at it. Because with the exception of a few from reading all of this, she humiliated all of you. Ms. Brasher, I can only hope you never seek office again.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'larsen family'
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:10 AM
Subject: RE: How goes the battles?
Hi Bob,
The issue of Clifton is getting increasingly more serious with each day.
The community as I would expect is meeting with School Board members, I am being called
daily, etc. The Committee reports are being posted --- the issue of Clifton is predominant in
the reports. If one went by the Committee reports and experience Clifton will remain open.
If one takes the time to really look into the issue, the affects of it on the Capital Improvement
Program, FCPS’s history of closing schools and why, one would have a broader view.
I am glad we had a Community Engagement Committee---however remain
frustrated with parochial views. I suspect when we have the public hearings it will be all
Clifton and no other constituents to testify about good fiscal management.
I suppose that just doesn’t matter to people??
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
And yeah, if they had 9 months to study the issue and still submitted reports in support of keeping clifton open, I think they had enough time to really look at the issue.
Save the damn school already so we can end this thread already! Fess up school board, you done f'ed up and it's time to come clean. Thank your colleague Liz Brasher for the lesson in humility while you're at it. Because with the exception of a few from reading all of this, she humiliated all of you. Ms. Brasher, I can only hope you never seek office again.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'larsen family'
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:10 AM
Subject: RE: How goes the battles?
Hi Bob,
The issue of Clifton is getting increasingly more serious with each day.
The community as I would expect is meeting with School Board members, I am being called
daily, etc. The Committee reports are being posted --- the issue of Clifton is predominant in
the reports. If one went by the Committee reports and experience Clifton will remain open.
If one takes the time to really look into the issue, the affects of it on the Capital Improvement
Program, FCPS’s history of closing schools and why, one would have a broader view.
I am glad we had a Community Engagement Committee---however remain
frustrated with parochial views. I suspect when we have the public hearings it will be all
Clifton and no other constituents to testify about good fiscal management.
I suppose that just doesn’t matter to people??
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: December 06, 2010 08:07PM
> I am glad we had a Community Engagement
> Committee---however remain
> frustrated with parochial views. I suspect when
> we have the public hearings it will be all
> Clifton and no other constituents to testify about
> good fiscal management.
> I suppose that just doesn’t matter to people??
>
> Liz
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
>
> Fairfax County School Board
>
> Springfield District
>
So spending $7.9 million on additions to 2 schools because Clifton is closing is a better use of funds than spending the same amount to renovate a school? Based on Option D estimates additions to Union Mill ($4,150,000) and Fairview ($3,740,000) will come to about what the lowest cost solution to renovate Clifton came to. Herein lies more proof that NONE OF THIS was about cost, it was all personal. Liz was pissed at someone who has close ties to Clifton (aka Pat Herrity) and simply found a way to take it out on these folks. Add in her Patch.com comments that "Clifton has never been told no" and we have a winner.
Fiscal responsibility would be NOT building a middle school in south county where one is not needed. Bradsher, you are bringing shame to every person with a business degree from Villanova.
> Committee---however remain
> frustrated with parochial views. I suspect when
> we have the public hearings it will be all
> Clifton and no other constituents to testify about
> good fiscal management.
> I suppose that just doesn’t matter to people??
>
> Liz
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
>
> Fairfax County School Board
>
> Springfield District
>
So spending $7.9 million on additions to 2 schools because Clifton is closing is a better use of funds than spending the same amount to renovate a school? Based on Option D estimates additions to Union Mill ($4,150,000) and Fairview ($3,740,000) will come to about what the lowest cost solution to renovate Clifton came to. Herein lies more proof that NONE OF THIS was about cost, it was all personal. Liz was pissed at someone who has close ties to Clifton (aka Pat Herrity) and simply found a way to take it out on these folks. Add in her Patch.com comments that "Clifton has never been told no" and we have a winner.
Fiscal responsibility would be NOT building a middle school in south county where one is not needed. Bradsher, you are bringing shame to every person with a business degree from Villanova.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: December 06, 2010 08:26PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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>
> So spending $7.9 million on additions to 2 schools
> because Clifton is closing is a better use of
> funds than spending the same amount to renovate a
> school? Based on Option D estimates additions to
> Union Mill ($4,150,000) and Fairview ($3,740,000)
> will come to about what the lowest cost solution
> to renovate Clifton came to. Herein lies more
> proof that NONE OF THIS was about cost, it was all
> personal. Liz was pissed at someone who has close
> ties to Clifton (aka Pat Herrity) and simply found
> a way to take it out on these folks. Add in her
> Patch.com comments that "Clifton has never been
> told no" and we have a winner.
>
> Fiscal responsibility would be NOT building a
> middle school in south county where one is not
> needed. Bradsher, you are bringing shame to every
> person with a business degree from Villanova.
Exactly. Any School Board in any part of the county who refuses to repudiate and disassociate himself or herself from Liz Bradsher's behavior should be replaced in 2011.
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>
> So spending $7.9 million on additions to 2 schools
> because Clifton is closing is a better use of
> funds than spending the same amount to renovate a
> school? Based on Option D estimates additions to
> Union Mill ($4,150,000) and Fairview ($3,740,000)
> will come to about what the lowest cost solution
> to renovate Clifton came to. Herein lies more
> proof that NONE OF THIS was about cost, it was all
> personal. Liz was pissed at someone who has close
> ties to Clifton (aka Pat Herrity) and simply found
> a way to take it out on these folks. Add in her
> Patch.com comments that "Clifton has never been
> told no" and we have a winner.
>
> Fiscal responsibility would be NOT building a
> middle school in south county where one is not
> needed. Bradsher, you are bringing shame to every
> person with a business degree from Villanova.
Exactly. Any School Board in any part of the county who refuses to repudiate and disassociate himself or herself from Liz Bradsher's behavior should be replaced in 2011.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: December 06, 2010 09:55PM
And here is another kick in the gut for the Clifton folks by Liz Bradsher and the FCPS Board:
Distance from Clifton Elementary to Sangster - 8.7 miles
Distance from South County Secondary to Hayfield Secondary - 7.3 miles
Liz pushed for South County Middle to be built because of overcrowding at South County Secondary. Hayfield Secondary has room to address the overcrowding at South County and just completed a massive renovation within the last 5 years. So instead of balancing the Middle/High school boundaries here Mrs. Bradsher is having $20M plus spent on a new middle school that WE DON'T NEED. And yes, the $20M has already factored in the reducations from "land swap, Dave Albo, pulled out my piggy bank" funds that are being used to also pay for the school. How about putting the funds for that project into renovating WSHS?
And Bradsher calls the Clifton folks elitests? She wanted her precious new middle school so Bipsy and Biff don't have to go to school with Tyrone and Latisha at Hayfield. Own up to it Liz, you in Crosspointe are as bad if not worse than the Clifton crowd.
Distance from Clifton Elementary to Sangster - 8.7 miles
Distance from South County Secondary to Hayfield Secondary - 7.3 miles
Liz pushed for South County Middle to be built because of overcrowding at South County Secondary. Hayfield Secondary has room to address the overcrowding at South County and just completed a massive renovation within the last 5 years. So instead of balancing the Middle/High school boundaries here Mrs. Bradsher is having $20M plus spent on a new middle school that WE DON'T NEED. And yes, the $20M has already factored in the reducations from "land swap, Dave Albo, pulled out my piggy bank" funds that are being used to also pay for the school. How about putting the funds for that project into renovating WSHS?
And Bradsher calls the Clifton folks elitests? She wanted her precious new middle school so Bipsy and Biff don't have to go to school with Tyrone and Latisha at Hayfield. Own up to it Liz, you in Crosspointe are as bad if not worse than the Clifton crowd.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
It Just Gets Worse
()
Date: December 06, 2010 10:46PM
Sad but true.
Here's a multiple choice: Liz Bradsher is the local equivalent of:
A) Marie Antoinette;
B) Leona Helmsley;
C) Mary Jo Buttafuoco; or
D) All of the Above
Here's a multiple choice: Liz Bradsher is the local equivalent of:
A) Marie Antoinette;
B) Leona Helmsley;
C) Mary Jo Buttafuoco; or
D) All of the Above
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
HereWeGoAgain
()
Date: December 06, 2010 10:48PM
So know we know that the closure of Clifton was a predetermined event dating back to March when Liz tells her friends that the School Board will defer to her to close Clifton. OK so where is education in all of this? and student achievement. These jokers obviously don't care about our kids.
From: Lisa Adler [lkadler@cox.net]
To: rrobertory1@earthlink.net; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 3/16/2010 9:10:04 AM
Subject: RE: Note-
Attachments:
Ha�hope they defer to you, why the heck shouldn�t they.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [mailto:ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:25 AM
To: 'rrobertory1@earthlink.net'; 'lkadler@cox.net'
Subject: Fw: Note-
See response--this issue is going to blow many up. I come out with my decision on this in June. Interesting timing isn't it? The Board will defer to me.
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Dale, Jack
Cc: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); James, Denise; Noonan, Peter J; Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Sent: Tue Mar 16 07:09:38 2010
Subject: RE: Note--Clifton ES
It must be nice to live in a world in which you can just make-up your own version of reality and then shovel it all around you as you travel about your little universe. I think we have enough evidence to ask the court for a search warrant to check his house for crack.
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:45 PM
To: Dale, Jack
Cc: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Tistadt, Dean; James, Denise; Noonan, Peter J; Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Subject: Note--Clifton ES
Importance: High
Dear Jack,
Tonight I attended a candidate forum for the Republican Primary scheduled in June. The forum was held in Clifton and as you would expect the issue of Clifton ES (CES) was brought forth for comment by the 2 candidates; Keith Fimmian and Pat Herrity. Mr. Fimmian declined to comment saying such an issue and decision was the responsibility of local elected officials. Supervisor Herrity responded by saying he was the first person to bring this issue forth to the town, he did not believe in closing the school and that this was the system�s way of spreading the demographics of Clifton and the high achieving students in this school to other surrounding schools that were not performing. He continued by saying CES didn�t have any problems structurally and that this pretense was a way to close a school and move students so diversity could take place. He also said such a move would destroy the community and upset the students as today they are sent to 3 different schools after attending CES. Per his comment CES offers them the only chance to get to know friends. He went on to point out that our system had over 19 PR employees, citing our system was bloated.
Obviously Pat�s response was extremely misleading and inaccurate. I approached the sponsors of this meeting and asked if I could do a presentation to set the record straight and suggested May might be a good month to do so. (I am hopeful we will have the Committee�s report by then and also staff�s) The CES issue is going to be very controversial, if it isn�t already so. I will be sending the Committee�s finding and staff�s finding to Chairman Bulova, Senator Barker, Del. Hugo, Supervisor Herrity and Congressman Connolly. I believe it is important all elected officials have the facts if they so choose to read about them.
I wanted all the recipients on this email to know the issues of CES and the over capacity situation of the schools in this study are being misrepresented. This presents a serious concern for FCPS and jeopardizes the hard work of the Community Engagement Community as well as staff.
Liz B.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
From: Lisa Adler [lkadler@cox.net]
To: rrobertory1@earthlink.net; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 3/16/2010 9:10:04 AM
Subject: RE: Note-
Attachments:
Ha�hope they defer to you, why the heck shouldn�t they.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [mailto:ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:25 AM
To: 'rrobertory1@earthlink.net'; 'lkadler@cox.net'
Subject: Fw: Note-
See response--this issue is going to blow many up. I come out with my decision on this in June. Interesting timing isn't it? The Board will defer to me.
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Dale, Jack
Cc: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); James, Denise; Noonan, Peter J; Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Sent: Tue Mar 16 07:09:38 2010
Subject: RE: Note--Clifton ES
It must be nice to live in a world in which you can just make-up your own version of reality and then shovel it all around you as you travel about your little universe. I think we have enough evidence to ask the court for a search warrant to check his house for crack.
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:45 PM
To: Dale, Jack
Cc: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Tistadt, Dean; James, Denise; Noonan, Peter J; Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Subject: Note--Clifton ES
Importance: High
Dear Jack,
Tonight I attended a candidate forum for the Republican Primary scheduled in June. The forum was held in Clifton and as you would expect the issue of Clifton ES (CES) was brought forth for comment by the 2 candidates; Keith Fimmian and Pat Herrity. Mr. Fimmian declined to comment saying such an issue and decision was the responsibility of local elected officials. Supervisor Herrity responded by saying he was the first person to bring this issue forth to the town, he did not believe in closing the school and that this was the system�s way of spreading the demographics of Clifton and the high achieving students in this school to other surrounding schools that were not performing. He continued by saying CES didn�t have any problems structurally and that this pretense was a way to close a school and move students so diversity could take place. He also said such a move would destroy the community and upset the students as today they are sent to 3 different schools after attending CES. Per his comment CES offers them the only chance to get to know friends. He went on to point out that our system had over 19 PR employees, citing our system was bloated.
Obviously Pat�s response was extremely misleading and inaccurate. I approached the sponsors of this meeting and asked if I could do a presentation to set the record straight and suggested May might be a good month to do so. (I am hopeful we will have the Committee�s report by then and also staff�s) The CES issue is going to be very controversial, if it isn�t already so. I will be sending the Committee�s finding and staff�s finding to Chairman Bulova, Senator Barker, Del. Hugo, Supervisor Herrity and Congressman Connolly. I believe it is important all elected officials have the facts if they so choose to read about them.
I wanted all the recipients on this email to know the issues of CES and the over capacity situation of the schools in this study are being misrepresented. This presents a serious concern for FCPS and jeopardizes the hard work of the Community Engagement Community as well as staff.
Liz B.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Shove it Peter
()
Date: December 06, 2010 11:20PM
anyone wanna buy a house with a neighborhood jerk?
thanks a lot peter - you aren't going to be feeling the love.
Attachments:
thanks a lot peter - you aren't going to be feeling the love.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Stay Away from my Ds
()
Date: December 07, 2010 01:09AM
It Just Gets Worse Wrote:
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> Sad but true.
> Here's a multiple choice: Liz Bradsher is the local equivalent of:
> A) Marie Antoinette;
> B) Leona Helmsley;
> C) Mary Jo Buttafuoco; or
> D) All of the Above
More like she's the new SYBIL.
Attachments:
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> Sad but true.
> Here's a multiple choice: Liz Bradsher is the local equivalent of:
> A) Marie Antoinette;
> B) Leona Helmsley;
> C) Mary Jo Buttafuoco; or
> D) All of the Above
More like she's the new SYBIL.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hohoho
()
Date: December 07, 2010 09:52AM
I understand Peter Noonan was in a tight spot, it is his job and livelihood. But he should have just recused himself from the situation, not forward Clifton emails to Liz Bradsher, what a snake! Nice spine, Peter!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
DNJ
()
Date: December 07, 2010 10:31AM
hohoho Wrote:
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> I understand Peter Noonan was in a tight spot, it
> is his job and livelihood. But he should have just
> recused himself from the situation, not forward
> Clifton emails to Liz Bradsher, what a snake! Nice
> spine, Peter!
What about the jobs and livelihoods of the teachers at Clifton Elementary?!! Peter Noonan’s “support†ought to be really motivational and heartwarming for the teachers at Clifton Elementary that are working with HIS own children every day and have suffered through PAY FREEZES for the last 2 and now also have a sense of instability and threatened job security in the middle of this tough economy! It looks like from these emails that he is only thinking of himself!
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> I understand Peter Noonan was in a tight spot, it
> is his job and livelihood. But he should have just
> recused himself from the situation, not forward
> Clifton emails to Liz Bradsher, what a snake! Nice
> spine, Peter!
What about the jobs and livelihoods of the teachers at Clifton Elementary?!! Peter Noonan’s “support†ought to be really motivational and heartwarming for the teachers at Clifton Elementary that are working with HIS own children every day and have suffered through PAY FREEZES for the last 2 and now also have a sense of instability and threatened job security in the middle of this tough economy! It looks like from these emails that he is only thinking of himself!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
the savings keeps multiplying
()
Date: December 07, 2010 11:18AM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Dale, Jack
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 4/11/2010 3:45:39 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Clusters, 5, 6, 7
Attachments:
Your welcome, I would like to present a parent and instructional staff Task Force, small in number, to review the all day K issue and come up with ideas for expansion in these difficult economic times. Also if we do nothing at Clifton, the money saved could go into all day K facility funding for schools waiting for all day k expansion. Now there is a thought!
In time want to discuss Clifton with you and Peter---the sooner the better!
Liz
Uh, Liz...when you say You are welcome, it is You're-not your.....
So now we know with the Clifon closure there will be no ACTUAL savings. CIP amount was $11 million-renovations on neighboring schools will be north of $18 million.
Why then, does Lizzie promise both the All Day K crew AND WSHS SOAR with all the "savings"???
I am confused. Is there a secret piggy bank somewhere?
To: Dale, Jack
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 4/11/2010 3:45:39 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Clusters, 5, 6, 7
Attachments:
Your welcome, I would like to present a parent and instructional staff Task Force, small in number, to review the all day K issue and come up with ideas for expansion in these difficult economic times. Also if we do nothing at Clifton, the money saved could go into all day K facility funding for schools waiting for all day k expansion. Now there is a thought!
In time want to discuss Clifton with you and Peter---the sooner the better!
Liz
Uh, Liz...when you say You are welcome, it is You're-not your.....
So now we know with the Clifon closure there will be no ACTUAL savings. CIP amount was $11 million-renovations on neighboring schools will be north of $18 million.
Why then, does Lizzie promise both the All Day K crew AND WSHS SOAR with all the "savings"???
I am confused. Is there a secret piggy bank somewhere?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz is not an elitist!
()
Date: December 07, 2010 11:46AM
It is so unfair for you guys to call her an elitist-she cares deeply for kids from high poverty homes. Don't believe me? Then just read this email to Jack Dale:
rom: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:52 PM
To: Dale, Jack; Moniuszko, Richard A..
Cc: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Clusters, 5, 6, 7
Dear Jack and Rich,
During the last two years I, like other Board members, have attended many meetings, listened to staff members and citizens on matters concerning instruction.
All of this has been extremely educational however, what I have noted is that we spend an enormous amount of time on issues relating to a certain percentage of students in certain schools or areas within the county.
Very little time is spent on discussing what is being done for the majority of our student population many of whom are A,B,C+ type students. It would be a change from the usual to discuss what we are doing to challenge these students and what happens when we hit the wall with the achievement bands for our A/B type students?
These students I write about are not TJ bound; rather they work hard, get to school, conform and basically do the work. Little recognition seems to take place from our discussions and our public meetings about such students.
Furthermore, it remains extremely evident there is a School Board member most interested in certain demographic populations and our most “neediest†population.
I too believe discussions on such topics are most important, however one might gather from Board notes and transcripts that this all we care about as a system and Board. We all know this is not the case.
With regard to school promotion I have been noticing there is more FCPS public promotion on certain schools versus others. It is rare to learn and see a dignitary visiting a school outside the beltway.
It is rare for me to hear the Star Spangle Banner played or sung by a Springfield District school at our SB meetings.
Also it is rare to see a Springfield, Braddock or Sully district school promoted on our FCPS website which promotes schools on a daily basis. Yes, there are times, but it remains rare.
For your FYI the following are the schools that have been highlighted in pictures on the main page of the FCPS website during the past 2 weeks, not one Springfield District School nor Sully school was highlighted:
* Waynewood – Mt. Vernon District
* McNair – Hunter Mill District
* Woodburn – Providence District
* Mt. Vernon HS – Mt. Vernon District
* Forest Edge – Hunter Mill District
* Robinson Sec. - County Science Fair – Braddock District
* Forestville – Dranesville District
* Westlawn – Mason District
* Longfellow - Dranesville District, a frequent flyer on the website
* Baileys - Mason District - a frequent flyer on the website
* Twain MS - Lee District
* Springfield Estates - Lee District
* Cooper - Dranesville District
(Please note the school similarities as well as magisterial district similarities)
I appreciate your consideration of my email concerns and views and welcome a time to further discuss if so needed, meanwhile, have a great weekend!
Liz B.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
rom: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:52 PM
To: Dale, Jack; Moniuszko, Richard A..
Cc: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Clusters, 5, 6, 7
Dear Jack and Rich,
During the last two years I, like other Board members, have attended many meetings, listened to staff members and citizens on matters concerning instruction.
All of this has been extremely educational however, what I have noted is that we spend an enormous amount of time on issues relating to a certain percentage of students in certain schools or areas within the county.
Very little time is spent on discussing what is being done for the majority of our student population many of whom are A,B,C+ type students. It would be a change from the usual to discuss what we are doing to challenge these students and what happens when we hit the wall with the achievement bands for our A/B type students?
These students I write about are not TJ bound; rather they work hard, get to school, conform and basically do the work. Little recognition seems to take place from our discussions and our public meetings about such students.
Furthermore, it remains extremely evident there is a School Board member most interested in certain demographic populations and our most “neediest†population.
I too believe discussions on such topics are most important, however one might gather from Board notes and transcripts that this all we care about as a system and Board. We all know this is not the case.
With regard to school promotion I have been noticing there is more FCPS public promotion on certain schools versus others. It is rare to learn and see a dignitary visiting a school outside the beltway.
It is rare for me to hear the Star Spangle Banner played or sung by a Springfield District school at our SB meetings.
Also it is rare to see a Springfield, Braddock or Sully district school promoted on our FCPS website which promotes schools on a daily basis. Yes, there are times, but it remains rare.
For your FYI the following are the schools that have been highlighted in pictures on the main page of the FCPS website during the past 2 weeks, not one Springfield District School nor Sully school was highlighted:
* Waynewood – Mt. Vernon District
* McNair – Hunter Mill District
* Woodburn – Providence District
* Mt. Vernon HS – Mt. Vernon District
* Forest Edge – Hunter Mill District
* Robinson Sec. - County Science Fair – Braddock District
* Forestville – Dranesville District
* Westlawn – Mason District
* Longfellow - Dranesville District, a frequent flyer on the website
* Baileys - Mason District - a frequent flyer on the website
* Twain MS - Lee District
* Springfield Estates - Lee District
* Cooper - Dranesville District
(Please note the school similarities as well as magisterial district similarities)
I appreciate your consideration of my email concerns and views and welcome a time to further discuss if so needed, meanwhile, have a great weekend!
Liz B.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: December 07, 2010 11:59AM
You know, there's probably a kernal of a decent thought imbedded in Liz's 4/9/10 e-mail. With the benefit of hindsight, though, it's clear that all she's really doing is saying "you owe me" to FCPS Staff and bond with her sorority sisters (Kathy and Tessie) at Kappa Delta Gateway, while making sure that she takes pot shots at the horrible "School Board member most interested in certain demographic populations."
And "most neediest"? Good God. What did they teach Liz at Villanova? She sure sounds like the "most stupidest" School Board member.
And "most neediest"? Good God. What did they teach Liz at Villanova? She sure sounds like the "most stupidest" School Board member.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptica1
()
Date: December 07, 2010 12:15PM
I will add though, Liz takes good care of the majority of her constituents in the Springfield District. As such, she is likely to be re-elected despite the best efforts of us here.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
goin to DC for my booze!
()
Date: December 07, 2010 01:18PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:56 PM
To: James, Denise; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE: Thank you
Thanks all for meeting during lunch. I realize there is quite a bit going on. Whatever is decided on Clifton I look at it as a good thing because a “decision†will have been made!
As for the CIP and the queue, it still remains a rather inflexible situation since we rely on bonding and BOS funding. We seem to have no means to generate funding or develop a funding mechanism that can assist with timelier renovations. I know WSHS has come a long way but I also know that 2016 is a tough time frame for them to deal with regarding a renovation. Did we ever further discuss the idea of fast tracking the permitting process?
Enough from me in one day, running down to DC for the competitive libation prices!
See you tonight,
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:56 PM
To: James, Denise; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE: Thank you
Thanks all for meeting during lunch. I realize there is quite a bit going on. Whatever is decided on Clifton I look at it as a good thing because a “decision†will have been made!
As for the CIP and the queue, it still remains a rather inflexible situation since we rely on bonding and BOS funding. We seem to have no means to generate funding or develop a funding mechanism that can assist with timelier renovations. I know WSHS has come a long way but I also know that 2016 is a tough time frame for them to deal with regarding a renovation. Did we ever further discuss the idea of fast tracking the permitting process?
Enough from me in one day, running down to DC for the competitive libation prices!
See you tonight,
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hahahahahahahaha
()
Date: December 07, 2010 01:56PM
She's just trying to be fiscally responsible!
goin to DC for my booze! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:56 PM
> To: James, Denise; Tistadt, Dean
> Subject: RE: Thank you
>
>
> Thanks all for meeting during lunch. I realize
> there is quite a bit going on. Whatever is
> decided on Clifton I look at it as a good thing
> because a “decision†will have been made!
>
> As for the CIP and the queue, it still remains a
> rather inflexible situation since we rely on
> bonding and BOS funding. We seem to have no means
> to generate funding or develop a funding mechanism
> that can assist with timelier renovations. I know
> WSHS has come a long way but I also know that 2016
> is a tough time frame for them to deal with
> regarding a renovation. Did we ever further
> discuss the idea of fast tracking the permitting
> process?
>
> Enough from me in one day, running down to DC for
> the competitive libation prices!
> See you tonight,
> Liz
>
>
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
goin to DC for my booze! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:56 PM
> To: James, Denise; Tistadt, Dean
> Subject: RE: Thank you
>
>
> Thanks all for meeting during lunch. I realize
> there is quite a bit going on. Whatever is
> decided on Clifton I look at it as a good thing
> because a “decision†will have been made!
>
> As for the CIP and the queue, it still remains a
> rather inflexible situation since we rely on
> bonding and BOS funding. We seem to have no means
> to generate funding or develop a funding mechanism
> that can assist with timelier renovations. I know
> WSHS has come a long way but I also know that 2016
> is a tough time frame for them to deal with
> regarding a renovation. Did we ever further
> discuss the idea of fast tracking the permitting
> process?
>
> Enough from me in one day, running down to DC for
> the competitive libation prices!
> See you tonight,
> Liz
>
>
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The F Word
()
Date: December 07, 2010 02:19PM
the savings keeps multiplying Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------
> So now we know with the Clifon closure there will
> be no ACTUAL savings. CIP amount was $11
> million-renovations on neighboring schools will be
> north of $18 million.
>
> Why then, does Lizzie promise both the All Day K
> crew AND WSHS SOAR with all the "savings"???
>
> I am confused. Is there a secret piggy bank
> somewhere?
F = Fraud
Yes - it's the.slush fund from hold Bd of Supervisors and taxpayers hostage on bond and transfer monies - Liz robbed taxpayers of $10 million for HER neighborhood middle school by crying to the BoS - after getting $53 million in bonds! School cost $40m to build - the. Leftover $22 million must be in her freezer.
Crook.
------------------------------------------------------
> So now we know with the Clifon closure there will
> be no ACTUAL savings. CIP amount was $11
> million-renovations on neighboring schools will be
> north of $18 million.
>
> Why then, does Lizzie promise both the All Day K
> crew AND WSHS SOAR with all the "savings"???
>
> I am confused. Is there a secret piggy bank
> somewhere?
F = Fraud
Yes - it's the.slush fund from hold Bd of Supervisors and taxpayers hostage on bond and transfer monies - Liz robbed taxpayers of $10 million for HER neighborhood middle school by crying to the BoS - after getting $53 million in bonds! School cost $40m to build - the. Leftover $22 million must be in her freezer.
Crook.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
come without an agenda
()
Date: December 07, 2010 05:06PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: larsenva@cox.net
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/6/2010 6:39:34 PM
Subject: Re: SW Boundary Input for public meeting
Attachments:
?
Be sure they write all members. I have not received any emails and it would be good to see some on fiscal prudence and to do what is best for all. Not just Clifton and loud voices.
ETB
________________________________
From: larsen family
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Sun Jun 06 16:40:56 2010
Subject: Re: SW Boundary Input for public meeting
ok, thanks
I'll do this...you should be hearing from the other members of my group, too
They have written their board members too
bob l
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'larsenva@cox.net'
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: SW Boundary Input for public meeting
Bob,
You can write to all the School !oard members and that can be used as your testimony per your directions in the content.
Liz
I thought the whole idea of these ad hoc committees was that the members did not come with a personal agenda-ya know objectivity.
If so, why is Bradsher telling Bob Larsen and his cronies to bombard the School Board with emailsasking for them to close Clifton.
Hey, Bob, how about we all meddle in your neighborhood school and ask SB members to CLOSE YOUR SCHOOL?
This guys deserves a serious payback for doing Bradsher's bidding.
To: larsenva@cox.net
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/6/2010 6:39:34 PM
Subject: Re: SW Boundary Input for public meeting
Attachments:
?
Be sure they write all members. I have not received any emails and it would be good to see some on fiscal prudence and to do what is best for all. Not just Clifton and loud voices.
ETB
________________________________
From: larsen family
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Sun Jun 06 16:40:56 2010
Subject: Re: SW Boundary Input for public meeting
ok, thanks
I'll do this...you should be hearing from the other members of my group, too
They have written their board members too
bob l
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'larsenva@cox.net'
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: SW Boundary Input for public meeting
Bob,
You can write to all the School !oard members and that can be used as your testimony per your directions in the content.
Liz
I thought the whole idea of these ad hoc committees was that the members did not come with a personal agenda-ya know objectivity.
If so, why is Bradsher telling Bob Larsen and his cronies to bombard the School Board with emailsasking for them to close Clifton.
Hey, Bob, how about we all meddle in your neighborhood school and ask SB members to CLOSE YOUR SCHOOL?
This guys deserves a serious payback for doing Bradsher's bidding.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sangster Rising
()
Date: December 07, 2010 05:15PM
I think Sangster needs to publicly sanction Bob Larsen from speaking for us. This guy is making assertions as if he speaks for the whole school and working privately with school board members to cook up deals as if he is elected to some office.
HOAs, PTA and others --> Bob is doing us no favors and looks like a total tool now. We are as far as can be from the overcrowding and because of his efforts to get Clifton's school closed, we are being dragged into the boundary changes.
Bob screwed Clifton and then somehow us all at once. Time for bye-bye to BDU Bob. Shut your trap and stop sinking one community after the next. Public servant my eye.
HOAs, PTA and others --> Bob is doing us no favors and looks like a total tool now. We are as far as can be from the overcrowding and because of his efforts to get Clifton's school closed, we are being dragged into the boundary changes.
Bob screwed Clifton and then somehow us all at once. Time for bye-bye to BDU Bob. Shut your trap and stop sinking one community after the next. Public servant my eye.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I am so confused
()
Date: December 07, 2010 06:44PM
From: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
To: 'Emily Slough'
Cc: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Apr 21 22:17:15 2010
Subject: RE: "final' draft of Annandale Regional study
Emily,
Thanks for all of this. I’m going to take some time to digest the comments about the ad hoc committee and who should be included or excluded. My personal feeling has been if they are not part of the problem or cannot be part of the solution to the identified issue, then I believe they should not be included. But I also believe the Patty and Sandy believe the “more the merrier,†and that the entire community needs to be fully engaged at every step of the process. We’ll see.
Denise forwarded Nell’s email to both of us earlier, but even without seeing it, I am well aware of Nell’s inclination to stir up a hornet’s nest every chance she gets. (I probably shouldn’t be writing this e-mail right now, as I’m exhausted, but I’m going to see my dad for a long weekend, and if I don’t do it now – it won’t happen!) Tina will probably be pushing in an opposite direction, so it could get very messy.
My very real concern on this particular study is that “personal agendas†will get in the way of the real work that needs to be done. And because this is so complicated, it is really going to take a great deal of focus and study on the part of the participants, rather than just raw emotion.
But having said all of this, I believe we move forward with the process – and all be ready to be supportive and set the limits that need to be set.
More to follow!
Tessie Wilson
Vice Chairman
School Board Member
Braddock District
________________________________
From: Emily Slough [mailto:emilygps@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:01 PM
To: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Cc: James, Denise
Subject: FW: "final' draft of Annandale Regional study
Good evening, Tessie & Liz –
Denise kindly forwarded a new copy of the draft regional study paper to Jeff & I last week. I sent some comments back to her this morning, and Denise James suggested I forward those comments to you two as well. She is right – they are more appropriately directed to school board members. I suppose you can share them with Patty Reed (I have already copied Sandy Evans) if you think that is necessary at this time.
A little additional background/explanation: Nell Hurley, PTSO President at Woodson HS, has taken a particular interest in Tina Hone’s comments at the vote last June re: the Annandale HS limited scope study (Tina’s comment, as you may recall, was about moving Mantua kids to Falls Church in order to “balance out†schools). That interest has translated itself into some action on Nell’s part, and it is my personal opinion that Nell will not stop here: she will stir the pot and get a lot of parents in a twist if she has any reason to believe that Woodson HS might be in jeopardy of having its district redrawn/taking on any students other than those of which she might approve. Never mind the feasibility or likelihood of Tina’s suggestion taking place. Anyhow, I will forward you – separately - the copy of the email Nell sent out last month (which I reference in my note to Denise, below, having sent it to Denise a couple of weeks ago). Then you might have a better understanding of part of the reason I made my comments, below. That is not the entirety of my reasoning, please note, but it is a contributing factor nonetheless.
Thanks, and see you next week!
Emily Slough
-------------------------------------------------
I can't figure out if people are supposed to bring their personal agendas to these committeess or not.....
Emily from Annandale can....check
Nell Hurley from Woodson can't....check
Bob Larsen from Sangster can.....check
Charlie Rau from Clifton can't...check
I think I understand how the "process" works now.
To: 'Emily Slough'
Cc: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Apr 21 22:17:15 2010
Subject: RE: "final' draft of Annandale Regional study
Emily,
Thanks for all of this. I’m going to take some time to digest the comments about the ad hoc committee and who should be included or excluded. My personal feeling has been if they are not part of the problem or cannot be part of the solution to the identified issue, then I believe they should not be included. But I also believe the Patty and Sandy believe the “more the merrier,†and that the entire community needs to be fully engaged at every step of the process. We’ll see.
Denise forwarded Nell’s email to both of us earlier, but even without seeing it, I am well aware of Nell’s inclination to stir up a hornet’s nest every chance she gets. (I probably shouldn’t be writing this e-mail right now, as I’m exhausted, but I’m going to see my dad for a long weekend, and if I don’t do it now – it won’t happen!) Tina will probably be pushing in an opposite direction, so it could get very messy.
My very real concern on this particular study is that “personal agendas†will get in the way of the real work that needs to be done. And because this is so complicated, it is really going to take a great deal of focus and study on the part of the participants, rather than just raw emotion.
But having said all of this, I believe we move forward with the process – and all be ready to be supportive and set the limits that need to be set.
More to follow!
Tessie Wilson
Vice Chairman
School Board Member
Braddock District
________________________________
From: Emily Slough [mailto:emilygps@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:01 PM
To: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Cc: James, Denise
Subject: FW: "final' draft of Annandale Regional study
Good evening, Tessie & Liz –
Denise kindly forwarded a new copy of the draft regional study paper to Jeff & I last week. I sent some comments back to her this morning, and Denise James suggested I forward those comments to you two as well. She is right – they are more appropriately directed to school board members. I suppose you can share them with Patty Reed (I have already copied Sandy Evans) if you think that is necessary at this time.
A little additional background/explanation: Nell Hurley, PTSO President at Woodson HS, has taken a particular interest in Tina Hone’s comments at the vote last June re: the Annandale HS limited scope study (Tina’s comment, as you may recall, was about moving Mantua kids to Falls Church in order to “balance out†schools). That interest has translated itself into some action on Nell’s part, and it is my personal opinion that Nell will not stop here: she will stir the pot and get a lot of parents in a twist if she has any reason to believe that Woodson HS might be in jeopardy of having its district redrawn/taking on any students other than those of which she might approve. Never mind the feasibility or likelihood of Tina’s suggestion taking place. Anyhow, I will forward you – separately - the copy of the email Nell sent out last month (which I reference in my note to Denise, below, having sent it to Denise a couple of weeks ago). Then you might have a better understanding of part of the reason I made my comments, below. That is not the entirety of my reasoning, please note, but it is a contributing factor nonetheless.
Thanks, and see you next week!
Emily Slough
-------------------------------------------------
I can't figure out if people are supposed to bring their personal agendas to these committeess or not.....
Emily from Annandale can....check
Nell Hurley from Woodson can't....check
Bob Larsen from Sangster can.....check
Charlie Rau from Clifton can't...check
I think I understand how the "process" works now.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FCPS rolling in the dough
()
Date: December 07, 2010 07:15PM
Hey, Board of Supervisors, save us taxpayers some money, would you?
See the email from Dean Tistadt that states that FCPS has millions in savings.
No need to increase the bond money to $155 million. Let's REDUCE our county debt-just like all Americans are doing.
NO MORE INCREASES IN DEBT!!!
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 7:54 AM
To: James, Denise; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Subject: Re:
Remember that we will be discussing a boundary study in advance of determining the size of the schools and of any additions and at what schools. We can't bond until we know these facts.
Plus we have over $40 million in construction reserve that the board could use to do all of these projects without going to referendum.
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
See the email from Dean Tistadt that states that FCPS has millions in savings.
No need to increase the bond money to $155 million. Let's REDUCE our county debt-just like all Americans are doing.
NO MORE INCREASES IN DEBT!!!
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 7:54 AM
To: James, Denise; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Subject: Re:
Remember that we will be discussing a boundary study in advance of determining the size of the schools and of any additions and at what schools. We can't bond until we know these facts.
Plus we have over $40 million in construction reserve that the board could use to do all of these projects without going to referendum.
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
So clear
()
Date: December 07, 2010 07:36PM
It's abundantly clear that Liz Torpey Bradsher considers her own interests/agenda the "real work" and the perspectives of those who think or understand things differently than her to be "personal agendas."
These emails have been extremely interesting to read. It shows that they really did not get elected for intelligence or wisdom. They just had certain connections and ambition to abuse power.
Waynewood Elementary is a horrible school. The office woman is an atrocious hag, and most of the parents are deluded, disturbed white women who demand weekly progress meeting with the kindergarten teachers.
These emails have been extremely interesting to read. It shows that they really did not get elected for intelligence or wisdom. They just had certain connections and ambition to abuse power.
Waynewood Elementary is a horrible school. The office woman is an atrocious hag, and most of the parents are deluded, disturbed white women who demand weekly progress meeting with the kindergarten teachers.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Reaction?
()
Date: December 07, 2010 11:34PM
FCPS rolling in the dough Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hey, Board of Supervisors, save us taxpayers some
> money, would you?
>
> See the email from Dean Tistadt that states that
> FCPS has millions in savings.
>
> No need to increase the bond money to $155
> million. Let's REDUCE our county debt-just like
> all Americans are doing.
>
> NO MORE INCREASES IN DEBT!!!
>
>
>
> From: Tistadt, Dean
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 7:54 AM
> To: James, Denise; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School
> Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board
> Member)
> Subject: Re:
>
>
>
> Remember that we will be discussing a boundary
> study in advance of determining the size of the
> schools and of any additions and at what schools.
> We can't bond until we know these facts.
>
> Plus we have over $40 million in construction
> reserve that the board could use to do all of
> these projects without going to referendum.
>
>
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
$40 million!!! Yet they said they didn't have any money to renovate Clifton which is now going to result in thousands of families being impacted by needless boundary changes and overcrowding and additions on their schools?!! How do they continue to get away with this?! Why aren't the parents and taxpayers reacting to this and doing something about it! They should stop this boundary study now!!!!!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hey, Board of Supervisors, save us taxpayers some
> money, would you?
>
> See the email from Dean Tistadt that states that
> FCPS has millions in savings.
>
> No need to increase the bond money to $155
> million. Let's REDUCE our county debt-just like
> all Americans are doing.
>
> NO MORE INCREASES IN DEBT!!!
>
>
>
> From: Tistadt, Dean
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 7:54 AM
> To: James, Denise; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School
> Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board
> Member)
> Subject: Re:
>
>
>
> Remember that we will be discussing a boundary
> study in advance of determining the size of the
> schools and of any additions and at what schools.
> We can't bond until we know these facts.
>
> Plus we have over $40 million in construction
> reserve that the board could use to do all of
> these projects without going to referendum.
>
>
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
$40 million!!! Yet they said they didn't have any money to renovate Clifton which is now going to result in thousands of families being impacted by needless boundary changes and overcrowding and additions on their schools?!! How do they continue to get away with this?! Why aren't the parents and taxpayers reacting to this and doing something about it! They should stop this boundary study now!!!!!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Reaction?
()
Date: December 07, 2010 11:38PM
put a tent over this circus Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Time for The BOS to step up to the plate and save
> us from these misfits.
>
> The BOS gabe SOCO community TEN MILLION DOLLARS
> for a school we don't even need!!!
>
> Why can't they fund a modest renovation for
> Clifton for $5 million?
>
> This SB and Dale's staff are so unprofessional and
> hateful. Our tax dollars at work, folks.
Why should the BOS fund $5 million when the School Board, according to Dean Tisdadt's email, is sitting on $40 million!!!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Time for The BOS to step up to the plate and save
> us from these misfits.
>
> The BOS gabe SOCO community TEN MILLION DOLLARS
> for a school we don't even need!!!
>
> Why can't they fund a modest renovation for
> Clifton for $5 million?
>
> This SB and Dale's staff are so unprofessional and
> hateful. Our tax dollars at work, folks.
Why should the BOS fund $5 million when the School Board, according to Dean Tisdadt's email, is sitting on $40 million!!!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Burke Baby
()
Date: December 07, 2010 11:50PM
BDU Bob, Loony Lizzie, Arrogant Andrew and Conflict Cassie
This whole planning and boundary study is nothing more than a study in the completely absurd.
Attachments:
This whole planning and boundary study is nothing more than a study in the completely absurd.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hohoho
()
Date: December 08, 2010 12:34AM
Liz, in the letter to Jack Dale, called our national Anthem the "Star Spangle Banner", it's Spangled. Maybe they sing it that way at Villanova.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
reader
()
Date: December 08, 2010 08:42AM
more Cassie:
[annandale.patch.com]
Southwestern Committee members urged the Annandale Committee to remember that the process involves everyone.
"It has to be a big-picture process," said Cassie Eatmon of Virginia Run Elementary School in Centreville. "It can't be about just looking out for your own school. Leave your school at the door."
Of course, Option D does leave Virginia Run untouched in the Southwest redistricting. So much for "leaving your school at the door." Or did Kathy cave to other political friends?
[annandale.patch.com]
Southwestern Committee members urged the Annandale Committee to remember that the process involves everyone.
"It has to be a big-picture process," said Cassie Eatmon of Virginia Run Elementary School in Centreville. "It can't be about just looking out for your own school. Leave your school at the door."
Of course, Option D does leave Virginia Run untouched in the Southwest redistricting. So much for "leaving your school at the door." Or did Kathy cave to other political friends?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SangsterFalling
()
Date: December 08, 2010 09:06AM
If history repeats itself, FCPS will present options A thru E(?) to the public and then will do a surprise vote and it will be on Z. That is even what they did with Clifton. It was never discussed to just close Clifton. It was always close Clifton and build a new school.
My bet is Sangster is going to get the big surprise this time (maybe Bob knows something...). Sangster already has good scores and will be taking on high scoring students therefore it is likely they will get the most overcrowding because FCPS will figure they can absorb the most overcrowding without it lowering scores. All you have to do is watch a Board Meeting and you'll figure out that it's all about the scores! That is part of how they get their funding. Take cover Sangster...
My bet is Sangster is going to get the big surprise this time (maybe Bob knows something...). Sangster already has good scores and will be taking on high scoring students therefore it is likely they will get the most overcrowding because FCPS will figure they can absorb the most overcrowding without it lowering scores. All you have to do is watch a Board Meeting and you'll figure out that it's all about the scores! That is part of how they get their funding. Take cover Sangster...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
In the know
()
Date: December 08, 2010 09:16AM
Teachers at Clifton were told the school MAY remain open for one more year till they figure out where all the Clifton kids are going to go. What a hot mess for everyone.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
HardToFigure
()
Date: December 08, 2010 10:58AM
SangsterFalling Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> If history repeats itself, FCPS will present
> options A thru E(?) to the public and then will do
> a surprise vote and it will be on Z. That is
> even what they did with Clifton. It was never
> discussed to just close Clifton. It was always
> close Clifton and build a new school.
>
> My bet is Sangster is going to get the big
> surprise this time (maybe Bob knows something...).
> Sangster already has good scores and will be
> taking on high scoring students therefore it is
> likely they will get the most overcrowding because
> FCPS will figure they can absorb the most
> overcrowding without it lowering scores. All you
> have to do is watch a Board Meeting and you'll
> figure out that it's all about the scores! That
> is part of how they get their funding. Take cover
> Sangster...
Keeping Clifton Elementary open is the one and only thing that would have kept Sangster from becoming overcrowded. The parents over there just aren't engaged though. It's hard to tell whether they just don't know what is going on or if they simply don't care.
-------------------------------------------------------
> If history repeats itself, FCPS will present
> options A thru E(?) to the public and then will do
> a surprise vote and it will be on Z. That is
> even what they did with Clifton. It was never
> discussed to just close Clifton. It was always
> close Clifton and build a new school.
>
> My bet is Sangster is going to get the big
> surprise this time (maybe Bob knows something...).
> Sangster already has good scores and will be
> taking on high scoring students therefore it is
> likely they will get the most overcrowding because
> FCPS will figure they can absorb the most
> overcrowding without it lowering scores. All you
> have to do is watch a Board Meeting and you'll
> figure out that it's all about the scores! That
> is part of how they get their funding. Take cover
> Sangster...
Keeping Clifton Elementary open is the one and only thing that would have kept Sangster from becoming overcrowded. The parents over there just aren't engaged though. It's hard to tell whether they just don't know what is going on or if they simply don't care.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Creeped OUT
()
Date: December 08, 2010 11:34AM
The STALKER SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER is plotting out where the Clifton PTA President lives?!
I am seriously - seriously - creeped out!!!
PTA Presidents beware - if the STALKER SB Member is out for you, will she email YOU? bully YOU? and gun for YOUR school?
And shame on Peter Noonan - parent at Clifton Elementary and FCPS' top RAT.
You are now a known despicable human being.
___________________________________________________________________________
From: "Noonan, Peter J"
To: "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)"
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 20:49:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Upcoming events...
Just thought you would want the info. Thanks for all you do!
Peter J. Noonan
Assistant Superintendent
Instructional Services
Fairfax County Public Schools
571-423-4510
Sent from my iPhone
On May 21, 2010, at 8:48 PM, "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board
Member)" wrote:
> Thank you.
> As an FYI the Clifton PTA Pres. lives 3.6 miles from Silverbrook ES
> and approx. 4.5 from South County. I just kind of found that
> interesting knowing that both Clifton ES and Robinson are much
> further---just interesting--
>
> I am seeking a trying to seek resolution.
> Have a good weekend,
> Liz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Noonan, Peter J
> To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean; Butz,
> Leslie L.; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
> Sent: Fri May 21 17:10:51 2010
> Subject: FW: Upcoming events...
>
> FYI
>
> Peter Noonan
> Assistant Superintendent, Instructional Services
> Fairfax County Public Schools
> Fairfax Ridge Building
> 571-423-4510
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: michellestein [mailto:michellestein@cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:04 AM
> To: 'Michelle Stein'
> Subject: Upcoming events...
>
> A concert benefiting the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society will be held
> this Saturday, May 22nd at 7:00 p.m. at the Heart in Hand restaurant on
> Main Street in Clifton, Virginia. The concert features the City Dwelling
> Nature Seekers, a folk rock band from Pittsburgh including Clifton's own
> Matt Booth and Special Guest Colin Thompson. The event was coordinated by Katie
> Gogoel. The suggested donation is $10.
>
> Need winefest volunteers for Sat May 29th!
> www.cliftonwinefestival.com
> Work and get free pass for you and a friend, email michellestein@cox.net
> Time slots: 10:30 to 1:30, 1:30 to 4, 4 to 6:30
> Please let me know if you can help, which time and what you would
> prefer to do:
> Ticket sales - filled for 1st time slot
> Kids area - filled for 1st time slot
> Security - filled for second time slot
> Will call - filled for 1st & 2nd time slot
> Clean up/trash
>
> There is still time to apply for the CBA Scholarship! Applications
> are at www.cliftonva.org
>
> The report out of the Southwestern Regional Planning Study Committee
> was provided to the full School Board. The following schedule is
> associated with a decision to either keep Clifton open or close the facility:
> June 10, 2010 - 7-10 PM @ Luther Jackson Middle School - Regular
> School Board Meeting. School Board will discuss the future of Clifton
> Elementary in a regular session/meeting for the first time (outside of a work
> session).
> This meeting is where the "meat" of the discussions among Board
> members are likely to occur as this is a topic of "New Business" at this
> meeting. It is important that the Clifton Community attend this meeting to show our support for our school.
> June 14, 2010 - Time TBD, Likely Afternoon @ Gatehouse Admin Center,
> Rm 1600 Full School Board Work Session. A work session to discuss their
> questions and perspectives (one of a number of topics for discussion this day
> - not the sole focus of the meeting but an agenda item). The room holds up
> to 99 occupants and a strong showing again by Clifton Community members
> here in this more intimate meeting setup would be great! (though citizens
> are not typically permitted to engage in discussions with the Board here).
> June 28, 2010 - Time TBD @ Luther Jackson Middle School - Public
> Hearing RE: Clifton Elementary Renovation/Closure The full School Board will
> attend this meeting where citizens are able to address the Board regarding the
> topic at hand. Each citizen has 3 minutes to address the Board and must sign
> up in advance of the meeting to speak. Copies of your remarks must be
> provided the evening of the meeting and further details regarding the Public
> Hearing process will be found on the FCPS web site. If many citizens
> register to speak a second evening for the Public Hearing will take place June
> 30, 2010 at a time TBD @ Luther Jackson Middle School. It is critical that the
> Clifton Community have a LARGE presence at this public meeting even
> if you do not plan to address the Board with remarks.
> July 8, 2010 - 7-10 PM @ Luther Jackson Middle School - Regular
> School Board Meeting. This is the meeting where the final vote regarding the
> future of Clifton Elementary will be taken. Clifton Community members are
> strongly encouraged to attend this session as well as the meetings on June 10
> and June 28 to show our numbers. Just showing up on July 8 will be too
> late to get involved (please plan to attend this date in addition to prior
> dates). Ideally, it would be great to see you at each of these meetings so
> that the School Board members can see that the residents of the Clifton
> community feel strongly about keeping our school. However, if you can only
> pick one or two we would suggest the meetings on June 10th and June 28th.
> www.savecliftonelementary.org
> PLEASE ALSO WRITE TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND HAVE ALL FAIRFAX COUNTY
> VOTERS YOU KNOW WRITE AS WELL!!!!
>
> On July 1, 2010, Clifton-Fairfax Station Transition In Place Services
> (CFS-TIPS) will offer the following services to members:
> Transportation to any destination within a 20 mile radius of the member's home.
> Household Service - including cleaning, yard work, and simple repairs.
> Companion Services - including visiting, reading, playing games and watching
> movies. Membership is open to aging residents who live within the Clifton and
> Fairfax Station geographic area, which is defined as south of
> Braddock Road, north of the Occoquan River, east of Union Mill Road and west of Ox Road (Route 123).
> To become a member call Dana LaFever, Member Services Manager, at
> 703-609-3479
> Volunteers are still needed to drive, perform light household
> services and provide companion services to our friends and neighbors in the
> community who need our help. To become a volunteer call Nancy Simmons, Volunteer Coordinator, at 703-250-5984
>
> Michelle Stein
> Clifton Betterment Association
> michellestein@cox.net www.cliftonva.org
> 703-539-8000 office 703-830-4908 home
I am seriously - seriously - creeped out!!!
PTA Presidents beware - if the STALKER SB Member is out for you, will she email YOU? bully YOU? and gun for YOUR school?
And shame on Peter Noonan - parent at Clifton Elementary and FCPS' top RAT.
You are now a known despicable human being.
___________________________________________________________________________
From: "Noonan, Peter J"
To: "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)"
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 20:49:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Upcoming events...
Just thought you would want the info. Thanks for all you do!
Peter J. Noonan
Assistant Superintendent
Instructional Services
Fairfax County Public Schools
571-423-4510
Sent from my iPhone
On May 21, 2010, at 8:48 PM, "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board
Member)" wrote:
> Thank you.
> As an FYI the Clifton PTA Pres. lives 3.6 miles from Silverbrook ES
> and approx. 4.5 from South County. I just kind of found that
> interesting knowing that both Clifton ES and Robinson are much
> further---just interesting--
>
> I am seeking a trying to seek resolution.
> Have a good weekend,
> Liz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Noonan, Peter J
> To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean; Butz,
> Leslie L.; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
> Sent: Fri May 21 17:10:51 2010
> Subject: FW: Upcoming events...
>
> FYI
>
> Peter Noonan
> Assistant Superintendent, Instructional Services
> Fairfax County Public Schools
> Fairfax Ridge Building
> 571-423-4510
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: michellestein [mailto:michellestein@cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:04 AM
> To: 'Michelle Stein'
> Subject: Upcoming events...
>
> A concert benefiting the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society will be held
> this Saturday, May 22nd at 7:00 p.m. at the Heart in Hand restaurant on
> Main Street in Clifton, Virginia. The concert features the City Dwelling
> Nature Seekers, a folk rock band from Pittsburgh including Clifton's own
> Matt Booth and Special Guest Colin Thompson. The event was coordinated by Katie
> Gogoel. The suggested donation is $10.
>
> Need winefest volunteers for Sat May 29th!
> www.cliftonwinefestival.com
> Work and get free pass for you and a friend, email michellestein@cox.net
> Time slots: 10:30 to 1:30, 1:30 to 4, 4 to 6:30
> Please let me know if you can help, which time and what you would
> prefer to do:
> Ticket sales - filled for 1st time slot
> Kids area - filled for 1st time slot
> Security - filled for second time slot
> Will call - filled for 1st & 2nd time slot
> Clean up/trash
>
> There is still time to apply for the CBA Scholarship! Applications
> are at www.cliftonva.org
>
> The report out of the Southwestern Regional Planning Study Committee
> was provided to the full School Board. The following schedule is
> associated with a decision to either keep Clifton open or close the facility:
> June 10, 2010 - 7-10 PM @ Luther Jackson Middle School - Regular
> School Board Meeting. School Board will discuss the future of Clifton
> Elementary in a regular session/meeting for the first time (outside of a work
> session).
> This meeting is where the "meat" of the discussions among Board
> members are likely to occur as this is a topic of "New Business" at this
> meeting. It is important that the Clifton Community attend this meeting to show our support for our school.
> June 14, 2010 - Time TBD, Likely Afternoon @ Gatehouse Admin Center,
> Rm 1600 Full School Board Work Session. A work session to discuss their
> questions and perspectives (one of a number of topics for discussion this day
> - not the sole focus of the meeting but an agenda item). The room holds up
> to 99 occupants and a strong showing again by Clifton Community members
> here in this more intimate meeting setup would be great! (though citizens
> are not typically permitted to engage in discussions with the Board here).
> June 28, 2010 - Time TBD @ Luther Jackson Middle School - Public
> Hearing RE: Clifton Elementary Renovation/Closure The full School Board will
> attend this meeting where citizens are able to address the Board regarding the
> topic at hand. Each citizen has 3 minutes to address the Board and must sign
> up in advance of the meeting to speak. Copies of your remarks must be
> provided the evening of the meeting and further details regarding the Public
> Hearing process will be found on the FCPS web site. If many citizens
> register to speak a second evening for the Public Hearing will take place June
> 30, 2010 at a time TBD @ Luther Jackson Middle School. It is critical that the
> Clifton Community have a LARGE presence at this public meeting even
> if you do not plan to address the Board with remarks.
> July 8, 2010 - 7-10 PM @ Luther Jackson Middle School - Regular
> School Board Meeting. This is the meeting where the final vote regarding the
> future of Clifton Elementary will be taken. Clifton Community members are
> strongly encouraged to attend this session as well as the meetings on June 10
> and June 28 to show our numbers. Just showing up on July 8 will be too
> late to get involved (please plan to attend this date in addition to prior
> dates). Ideally, it would be great to see you at each of these meetings so
> that the School Board members can see that the residents of the Clifton
> community feel strongly about keeping our school. However, if you can only
> pick one or two we would suggest the meetings on June 10th and June 28th.
> www.savecliftonelementary.org
> PLEASE ALSO WRITE TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND HAVE ALL FAIRFAX COUNTY
> VOTERS YOU KNOW WRITE AS WELL!!!!
>
> On July 1, 2010, Clifton-Fairfax Station Transition In Place Services
> (CFS-TIPS) will offer the following services to members:
> Transportation to any destination within a 20 mile radius of the member's home.
> Household Service - including cleaning, yard work, and simple repairs.
> Companion Services - including visiting, reading, playing games and watching
> movies. Membership is open to aging residents who live within the Clifton and
> Fairfax Station geographic area, which is defined as south of
> Braddock Road, north of the Occoquan River, east of Union Mill Road and west of Ox Road (Route 123).
> To become a member call Dana LaFever, Member Services Manager, at
> 703-609-3479
> Volunteers are still needed to drive, perform light household
> services and provide companion services to our friends and neighbors in the
> community who need our help. To become a volunteer call Nancy Simmons, Volunteer Coordinator, at 703-250-5984
>
> Michelle Stein
> Clifton Betterment Association
> michellestein@cox.net www.cliftonva.org
> 703-539-8000 office 703-830-4908 home
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Overcrowding
()
Date: December 08, 2010 12:39PM
In the know Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Teachers at Clifton were told the school MAY
> remain open for one more year till they figure out
> where all the Clifton kids are going to go. What a
> hot mess for everyone.
Maybe FCPS has finally figured out that their goal of socioeconomic reegineering and trying to push people into sending their kids to private schools is becoming moot with regard to Clifton. 95% of the houses on the market in Clfiton at the end of last summer were foreclosures. Enrollments at CES and other schools will likely INCREASE as parents pull their kids out of private schools and put them into FCPS. Anyone heard of overcrowding?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Teachers at Clifton were told the school MAY
> remain open for one more year till they figure out
> where all the Clifton kids are going to go. What a
> hot mess for everyone.
Maybe FCPS has finally figured out that their goal of socioeconomic reegineering and trying to push people into sending their kids to private schools is becoming moot with regard to Clifton. 95% of the houses on the market in Clfiton at the end of last summer were foreclosures. Enrollments at CES and other schools will likely INCREASE as parents pull their kids out of private schools and put them into FCPS. Anyone heard of overcrowding?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
loss for words
()
Date: December 08, 2010 12:53PM
Liz solicits letters supporting closure of CES from parents not even in her district, and then plays coy with Janie when asked where this parent is from! WOW! Liz, you never cease to amaze me. And Kara, I'm truly at a loss for words right now. You seem to have bought into the BS hook, line and sinker. Even the part about the SB building a new school if they voted to close CES!
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Strauss, Jane (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/11/2010 1:41:21 PM
Subject: Re: SW Boundary Input for public meeting--someone who was deeply involved in the study
Attachments:
I think Cub Run?
________________________________
From: Strauss, Jane (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Fri Jun 11 13:06:02 2010
Subject: FW: SW Boundary Input for public meeting--someone who was deeply involved in the study
Hi Liz,
What school is this person from?
Thanks,
Janie
________________________________
From: vwb3@aol.com [vwb3@aol.com]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/11/2010 1:59:27 PM
Subject: Re: SW Boundary Input for public meeting--someone who was deeply involved in the study
Attachments:
Excellent.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'vwb3@aol.com'
Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 9:18 am
Subject: FW: SW Boundary Input for public meeting--someone who was deeply involved in the study
A good one for a change, I made a few call this AM.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
From: Kara Prichard [mailto:karanchris@verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:06 AM
To: larsen family; Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Cc: Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Strauss, Jane (School Board Member); Storck, Dan (School Board Member); Reed, Patty (School Board Member); Hone, Tina (School Board Member); Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member); Evans, Sandy (School Board Member); Center, Brad (School Board Member); Melody Rudy; Jean Naka; Robert F COL MIL USA VCSA Larsen
Subject: SW Boundary Input for public meeting--someone who was deeply involved in the study
School Board Members,
I know you are hearing quite a bit about how important it is to keep Clifton open - and I get it. However, the SW Boundary Study Committee was formed to look at the overcrowding in many schools and at the Clifton issue. Not, how can Clifton be saved, no matter how hard some worked to change it. I was there and I saw and I heard and I was appalled. The committee was formed to become a model for bringing the community into the process and if the entire group's work is not heeded, the whole process is a waste of time. There were many parents who were on that committee to work hard and help make good suggestions for the whole county and not just to support one small school. We worked hard to present alternative solutions that will fill many needs and I don't want to see them ignored. I am not condemning the value parents feel they are receiving at Clifton, I just feel that it is too much money for a school that will only deliver results for a small group.
I am certain you are under tremendous political pressure to only consider the historical significance of this school. However, you are our elected officials and we are all rooting for you to make the best choices for all of our students. With jobs and homes being lost, it seems incomprehensible to consider the amount of money needed to bring Clifton to standards. That will take SO many resources from SO many children to give to a few. It is time for the old school to close and build a new school that can give MANY children the education they need in an environment that is not overcrowded or dilapidated.
A wealthy few cannot be allowed to take from the rest of this county. Any new taxes or bond referendums should only be considered when they can do the most good for the most. Please do not give in and take from my children to give to a few.
Thank you,
Kara
Kara Prichard
CRES PTA President
Creative Memories Consultant
www.creativememories.com/karaprichard
CM Photocenter ID: 49336278
703-830-0799
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism." Anonymous
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Strauss, Jane (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/11/2010 1:41:21 PM
Subject: Re: SW Boundary Input for public meeting--someone who was deeply involved in the study
Attachments:
I think Cub Run?
________________________________
From: Strauss, Jane (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Fri Jun 11 13:06:02 2010
Subject: FW: SW Boundary Input for public meeting--someone who was deeply involved in the study
Hi Liz,
What school is this person from?
Thanks,
Janie
________________________________
From: vwb3@aol.com [vwb3@aol.com]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/11/2010 1:59:27 PM
Subject: Re: SW Boundary Input for public meeting--someone who was deeply involved in the study
Attachments:
Excellent.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'vwb3@aol.com'
Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 9:18 am
Subject: FW: SW Boundary Input for public meeting--someone who was deeply involved in the study
A good one for a change, I made a few call this AM.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
From: Kara Prichard [mailto:karanchris@verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:06 AM
To: larsen family; Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Cc: Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Strauss, Jane (School Board Member); Storck, Dan (School Board Member); Reed, Patty (School Board Member); Hone, Tina (School Board Member); Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member); Evans, Sandy (School Board Member); Center, Brad (School Board Member); Melody Rudy; Jean Naka; Robert F COL MIL USA VCSA Larsen
Subject: SW Boundary Input for public meeting--someone who was deeply involved in the study
School Board Members,
I know you are hearing quite a bit about how important it is to keep Clifton open - and I get it. However, the SW Boundary Study Committee was formed to look at the overcrowding in many schools and at the Clifton issue. Not, how can Clifton be saved, no matter how hard some worked to change it. I was there and I saw and I heard and I was appalled. The committee was formed to become a model for bringing the community into the process and if the entire group's work is not heeded, the whole process is a waste of time. There were many parents who were on that committee to work hard and help make good suggestions for the whole county and not just to support one small school. We worked hard to present alternative solutions that will fill many needs and I don't want to see them ignored. I am not condemning the value parents feel they are receiving at Clifton, I just feel that it is too much money for a school that will only deliver results for a small group.
I am certain you are under tremendous political pressure to only consider the historical significance of this school. However, you are our elected officials and we are all rooting for you to make the best choices for all of our students. With jobs and homes being lost, it seems incomprehensible to consider the amount of money needed to bring Clifton to standards. That will take SO many resources from SO many children to give to a few. It is time for the old school to close and build a new school that can give MANY children the education they need in an environment that is not overcrowded or dilapidated.
A wealthy few cannot be allowed to take from the rest of this county. Any new taxes or bond referendums should only be considered when they can do the most good for the most. Please do not give in and take from my children to give to a few.
Thank you,
Kara
Kara Prichard
CRES PTA President
Creative Memories Consultant
www.creativememories.com/karaprichard
CM Photocenter ID: 49336278
703-830-0799
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism." Anonymous
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To Kara
()
Date: December 08, 2010 01:04PM
Kara: How stupid can you be? FCPS is NOT going to build a new school. All the schools now in SC are going to be overcrowded when Clifton closes. And I love how you throw the word "wealthy" around. Why throw others under the bus. I guess I should do the same.
Ps hmmm... I guess your scrap book crap is not selling well.
Ps hmmm... I guess your scrap book crap is not selling well.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bigmouth again
()
Date: December 08, 2010 01:14PM
Where does Bob Larsen's wife teach???
Time to close her school.
He says, "please contact me"......anyone?
FCPS School Board,
1-We are praying that you will do what is right for the the whole county
tonight
2-I took an informal poll at our swim pool and great than 80% say close down
the Clifton ES
3-I know you believe the 300 club are the majority (less than 1% of the SW
area), but we elected you to this position to do what is right for all of us
I look forward to hearing the discussion
If you have any questions, please contact me at work or home
very respectfully
Bob Larsen, PhD
Member of FCPS system since 1996 and married to a school teacher
----- Original Message -----
From: "larsen family"
To: "Raney, Jim (School Board Member)" ; "Bradsher,
Elizabeth (School Board Member)" ; "Moon, Ilryong
(School Board Member)" ; "Wilson, Tessie (School Board
Member)" ; ;
; ; ;
; ; ;
Cc: "Kara Prichard" ; "Melody Rudy"
; "Jean Naka" ;
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 9:15 AM
Subject: SW Boundary Input for public meeting--someone who was deeply
involved in the study
> School Board members,
>
> Clifton children make up less than 1% of the FCPS SW population; a $20M
> investment in an old building for 300 children doesn't make sense. They
> ride the bus already--close down Clifton ES (or let Clifton buy it), and
> send the children to Sangster, Sliver brook and Liberty in 2011. Then
> spend the $s on places that help over crowding up north by adding a
> smaller Liberty building for 900 children/move 6th grade to several HS,
> and re draw a few boundary lines. This alternative will help the majority
> of our SW children out 5-15 years from now. We need smart logical
> affordable solutions for our children.
>
> I gave my time and effort to understand this issue since Sep 2009 to May
> 2010. I chaired group 1 (did we scope the issue right; right schools
> included) phase 1 and chaired group C phase 2 (close down Clifton what are
> the alternatives).
>
> I have done analysis for Department of Defense since 1992. I have a PhD
> in System Engineering. I have led a team that provided recommendations on
> the where to put our next tax payer $s (last job was the leader of a
> division that spent $65 billion dollars/year to buy Army Equipment and fix
> it).
>
> If you have questions of my statement please contact me
>
> very respectfully
>
> Bob Larsen,PhD
> Resident since 1996 in Fairfax County
> Father of a High School senior Lake Braddock, 9th grader and second
> grader; Married to a 6th grade school teacher;
> Served 4 years as Kings Park/Kings Glen PTA; one year County PTA;
> involved in South County Boundary Study and Chaired two sub groups for the
> Southwest Boundary/Clifton ES Ad Hoc Study Sep 2009-May 2010
>
Time to close her school.
He says, "please contact me"......anyone?
FCPS School Board,
1-We are praying that you will do what is right for the the whole county
tonight
2-I took an informal poll at our swim pool and great than 80% say close down
the Clifton ES
3-I know you believe the 300 club are the majority (less than 1% of the SW
area), but we elected you to this position to do what is right for all of us
I look forward to hearing the discussion
If you have any questions, please contact me at work or home
very respectfully
Bob Larsen, PhD
Member of FCPS system since 1996 and married to a school teacher
----- Original Message -----
From: "larsen family"
To: "Raney, Jim (School Board Member)" ; "Bradsher,
Elizabeth (School Board Member)" ; "Moon, Ilryong
(School Board Member)" ; "Wilson, Tessie (School Board
Member)" ; ;
; ; ;
; ; ;
Cc: "Kara Prichard" ; "Melody Rudy"
; "Jean Naka" ;
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 9:15 AM
Subject: SW Boundary Input for public meeting--someone who was deeply
involved in the study
> School Board members,
>
> Clifton children make up less than 1% of the FCPS SW population; a $20M
> investment in an old building for 300 children doesn't make sense. They
> ride the bus already--close down Clifton ES (or let Clifton buy it), and
> send the children to Sangster, Sliver brook and Liberty in 2011. Then
> spend the $s on places that help over crowding up north by adding a
> smaller Liberty building for 900 children/move 6th grade to several HS,
> and re draw a few boundary lines. This alternative will help the majority
> of our SW children out 5-15 years from now. We need smart logical
> affordable solutions for our children.
>
> I gave my time and effort to understand this issue since Sep 2009 to May
> 2010. I chaired group 1 (did we scope the issue right; right schools
> included) phase 1 and chaired group C phase 2 (close down Clifton what are
> the alternatives).
>
> I have done analysis for Department of Defense since 1992. I have a PhD
> in System Engineering. I have led a team that provided recommendations on
> the where to put our next tax payer $s (last job was the leader of a
> division that spent $65 billion dollars/year to buy Army Equipment and fix
> it).
>
> If you have questions of my statement please contact me
>
> very respectfully
>
> Bob Larsen,PhD
> Resident since 1996 in Fairfax County
> Father of a High School senior Lake Braddock, 9th grader and second
> grader; Married to a 6th grade school teacher;
> Served 4 years as Kings Park/Kings Glen PTA; one year County PTA;
> involved in South County Boundary Study and Chaired two sub groups for the
> Southwest Boundary/Clifton ES Ad Hoc Study Sep 2009-May 2010
>
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
any others?
()
Date: December 08, 2010 01:25PM
It seems like all the letters that supported closing CES came from just a few that Liz Bradsher was personal friends with. Are there others besides Bob, Kara and Cassie (all of whom Liz personally recruited) that wrote letters in support of closing Clifton? Besides SOAR also since they were personally recruited by Liz as well.
Seems to me that while Kara is crying for the SB to not give to a few to spite the many, that's exactly what they were doing!
Seems to me that while Kara is crying for the SB to not give to a few to spite the many, that's exactly what they were doing!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
CRES endorsement?
()
Date: December 08, 2010 01:41PM
Since when does a PTA President at a neighboring school offer her/their? opinion on a school closure?
I recall St Gibson getting irate about an "endorsement" from a non-profit group.....where is that same outrage?
Does Kara represent this school's PTA or not?
School Board Members,
I know you are hearing quite a bit about how important it is to keep Clifton open - and I get it. However, the SW Boundary Study Committee was formed to look at the overcrowding in many schools and at the Clifton issue. Not, how can Clifton be saved, no matter how hard some worked to change it. I was there and I saw and I heard and I was appalled. The committee was formed to become a model for bringing the community into the process and if the entire group's work is not heeded, the whole process is a waste of time. There were many parents who were on that committee to work hard and help make good suggestions for the whole county and not just to support one small school. We worked hard to present alternative solutions that will fill many needs and I don't want to see them ignored. I am not condemning the value parents feel they are receiving at Clifton, I just feel that it is too much money for a school that will only deliver results for a small group.
I am certain you are under tremendous political pressure to only consider the historical significance of this school. However, you are our elected officials and we are all rooting for you to make the best choices for all of our students. With jobs and homes being lost, it seems incomprehensible to consider the amount of money needed to bring Clifton to standards. That will take SO many resources from SO many children to give to a few. It is time for the old school to close and build a new school that can give MANY children the education they need in an environment that is not overcrowded or dilapidated.
A wealthy few cannot be allowed to take from the rest of this county. Any new taxes or bond referendums should only be considered when they can do the most good for the most. Please do not give in and take from my children to give to a few.
Thank you,
Kara
Kara Prichard
CRES PTA President
Creative Memories Consultant
www.creativememories.com/karaprichard
CM Photocenter ID: 49336278
703-830-0799
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism." Anonymous
I recall St Gibson getting irate about an "endorsement" from a non-profit group.....where is that same outrage?
Does Kara represent this school's PTA or not?
School Board Members,
I know you are hearing quite a bit about how important it is to keep Clifton open - and I get it. However, the SW Boundary Study Committee was formed to look at the overcrowding in many schools and at the Clifton issue. Not, how can Clifton be saved, no matter how hard some worked to change it. I was there and I saw and I heard and I was appalled. The committee was formed to become a model for bringing the community into the process and if the entire group's work is not heeded, the whole process is a waste of time. There were many parents who were on that committee to work hard and help make good suggestions for the whole county and not just to support one small school. We worked hard to present alternative solutions that will fill many needs and I don't want to see them ignored. I am not condemning the value parents feel they are receiving at Clifton, I just feel that it is too much money for a school that will only deliver results for a small group.
I am certain you are under tremendous political pressure to only consider the historical significance of this school. However, you are our elected officials and we are all rooting for you to make the best choices for all of our students. With jobs and homes being lost, it seems incomprehensible to consider the amount of money needed to bring Clifton to standards. That will take SO many resources from SO many children to give to a few. It is time for the old school to close and build a new school that can give MANY children the education they need in an environment that is not overcrowded or dilapidated.
A wealthy few cannot be allowed to take from the rest of this county. Any new taxes or bond referendums should only be considered when they can do the most good for the most. Please do not give in and take from my children to give to a few.
Thank you,
Kara
Kara Prichard
CRES PTA President
Creative Memories Consultant
www.creativememories.com/karaprichard
CM Photocenter ID: 49336278
703-830-0799
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism." Anonymous
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
NO to Despots
()
Date: December 08, 2010 01:41PM
Time bubble?
Virginia = history
Jamestown, Liz??
Williamsburg?
Mt. Vernon?
Monticello?
Are they in a 'time bubble' too?
Sheesh.
Attachments:
Virginia = history
Jamestown, Liz??
Williamsburg?
Mt. Vernon?
Monticello?
Are they in a 'time bubble' too?
Sheesh.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
number question
()
Date: December 08, 2010 01:50PM
A question about membership.
I don't understand how FCPS can predict the great changes in school membership from one year to the next. For example: Sangster currently shows a membership of 860. However, FCPS predicts that Sangster will have 783 next September without any moves. That just does not make sense. Am I missing something? That's a delta of 77 if I count right. Does something else factor in?
Cub Run currently has 476 and FCPS predicts 433 next Fall without changes. Eagle View currently has 937 and FCPS predicts 1023.....London Towne has 892 and FCPS projects 933.
I am using the numbers from the chart on Option D and the membership statistics from the school profile page. How does Eagle View go from 1013 in 2013 to 1214 in 2015? That's 200 kids! Is there that much construction going on? I can understand increase due to construction--but 200? And that still does not explain a 77 drop at Sangster.
I don't understand how FCPS can predict the great changes in school membership from one year to the next. For example: Sangster currently shows a membership of 860. However, FCPS predicts that Sangster will have 783 next September without any moves. That just does not make sense. Am I missing something? That's a delta of 77 if I count right. Does something else factor in?
Cub Run currently has 476 and FCPS predicts 433 next Fall without changes. Eagle View currently has 937 and FCPS predicts 1023.....London Towne has 892 and FCPS projects 933.
I am using the numbers from the chart on Option D and the membership statistics from the school profile page. How does Eagle View go from 1013 in 2013 to 1214 in 2015? That's 200 kids! Is there that much construction going on? I can understand increase due to construction--but 200? And that still does not explain a 77 drop at Sangster.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Kara's a pitbull
()
Date: December 08, 2010 02:01PM
On the eve of the vote.....
cc's are interesting-
Larsen, Naka, Eatmon, Baldwin, Burke, Rudy
She was "deeply involved" in the study btw, now we know where the incompetence came from.
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From: Kara Prichard [mailto:karanchris@verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:13 AM
To: Baldwin, Jim (James); Burke, Linda L.; larsen family
Cc: Storck, Dan (School Board Member); Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member); Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Center, Brad (School Board Member); Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member); Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Hone, Tina (School Board Member); Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Strauss, Jane (School Board Member); Jean Naka; Melody Rudy; Tom & Lisa Raisbeck; Eatmon, Cassandra; Robert F COL MIL USA VCSA Larsen; Reed, Patty (School Board Member); Evans, Sandy (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: SW Boundary Input for public meeting--someone who was deeply involved in the study-Follow up
FCPS School Board,
Tonight is the night you have the choice to do what is right for the county. Parents make the best choices at home for their children's education, however, it is up to you to create the environment that gives each student the best and equal opportunities. Continuing to maintain or even renovate Clifton will only serve a small group of students in a completely unique situation. We would all have our children in classrooms with low student/teacher ratios and with no obstacles to the best educational resources. However, that is not the reality in a county so large and diverse. We expect you to make the decisions that will do the most good with the resources that all of the county provides. It is completely unacceptable to expect the entire county to financially support a school that only serves 300 students when others are squeezed into classrooms and struggle to receive the resources they need.
Please do not let the emotional pleas of a few (some do not even allow their children to attend Clifton) sway you from making the right decision. You created the committee to validate all of the data and we did. You have reports from your staff and from that committee. Please do not cast those away and make waste of all the time and effort. Vote to close Clifton and use one or a combination of the possible solutions that were provided to you to make all of the SW community the best school area in Fairfax County.
Sincerely,
Kara
Kara Prichard
Centre Ridge Parent and past PTA President
SW Boundary Study Committee Member
County Voter and Taxpayer
703-830-0799
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism." Anonymous
cc's are interesting-
Larsen, Naka, Eatmon, Baldwin, Burke, Rudy
She was "deeply involved" in the study btw, now we know where the incompetence came from.
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From: Kara Prichard [mailto:karanchris@verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:13 AM
To: Baldwin, Jim (James); Burke, Linda L.; larsen family
Cc: Storck, Dan (School Board Member); Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member); Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Center, Brad (School Board Member); Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member); Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Hone, Tina (School Board Member); Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Strauss, Jane (School Board Member); Jean Naka; Melody Rudy; Tom & Lisa Raisbeck; Eatmon, Cassandra; Robert F COL MIL USA VCSA Larsen; Reed, Patty (School Board Member); Evans, Sandy (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: SW Boundary Input for public meeting--someone who was deeply involved in the study-Follow up
FCPS School Board,
Tonight is the night you have the choice to do what is right for the county. Parents make the best choices at home for their children's education, however, it is up to you to create the environment that gives each student the best and equal opportunities. Continuing to maintain or even renovate Clifton will only serve a small group of students in a completely unique situation. We would all have our children in classrooms with low student/teacher ratios and with no obstacles to the best educational resources. However, that is not the reality in a county so large and diverse. We expect you to make the decisions that will do the most good with the resources that all of the county provides. It is completely unacceptable to expect the entire county to financially support a school that only serves 300 students when others are squeezed into classrooms and struggle to receive the resources they need.
Please do not let the emotional pleas of a few (some do not even allow their children to attend Clifton) sway you from making the right decision. You created the committee to validate all of the data and we did. You have reports from your staff and from that committee. Please do not cast those away and make waste of all the time and effort. Vote to close Clifton and use one or a combination of the possible solutions that were provided to you to make all of the SW community the best school area in Fairfax County.
Sincerely,
Kara
Kara Prichard
Centre Ridge Parent and past PTA President
SW Boundary Study Committee Member
County Voter and Taxpayer
703-830-0799
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism." Anonymous
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mr. Nasty
()
Date: December 08, 2010 02:52PM
Why is Gibson so nasty???
From: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member) [mailto:sdgibson@fcps.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:40 PM
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Tina,
I have served on this Board for nearly 15 years, and have never heard of a "safety review." What are you referring to?
Stu
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Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
To: Goddard, Pam; School Board Members
Cc: Tistadt, Dean; Moniuszko, Richard A..; School Board Office; Dale, Jack; Kirkbride, Sue; Donohue, Christine W.; Cornell, Lora L.
Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:37:53 2010
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Colleagues, first, I continue to hope that Liz will be offering an amendment consistent with this one, which I will support.
If we do have to move forward with my amendment, please know that the spirit and intent of this revised language is the same as my prior version. The only significant changes are: 1) the date. I thought the next safety review was 2015. It is 2013. 2) There is no explicit language in this motion abt moving other projects up in the renovation queue. This remains the intent of the amendment and I will speak to this intent publicly on the record tomorrow night. However, according to kathy, there must be a separate vote on the renovation queue, which I am told is scheduled for september. If we vote to push off a decision on clifton until 2013, as a practical matter, it is removed from the renovation queue. We will be able to vote to change the renovation queue and take the money once allocated to clifton and direct it towards other projects. I certainly would have preferred explicit language codifying this in the motion. However, kathy has advised that such language would be out of order. Perhaps there is some additional clarification that can be made at the board table. I would welcome it.
Many thanks again for considering. Please let me know if you have any additional questions.
See you tomorrow.
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From: Goddard, Pam
To: School Board Members
Cc: Tistadt, Dean; Moniuszko, Richard A..; School Board Office; Dale, Jack; Kirkbride, Sue; Donohue, Christine W.; Cornell, Lora L.
Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:03:32 2010
Subject: proposed amendment from Tina
Tina has asked me to send her proposed amendment to all of you—I will be posting it to the agenda item on BoardDocs this afternoon.
I move to postpone the Board’s consideration of closing and renovating Clifton Elementary School until no later than October 2013.
Pam
Pam Goddard
Executive Assistant and
Clerk of the School Board
571.423.1060
P Please consider the environment before printing this email
From: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member) [mailto:sdgibson@fcps.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:40 PM
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Tina,
I have served on this Board for nearly 15 years, and have never heard of a "safety review." What are you referring to?
Stu
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Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
To: Goddard, Pam; School Board Members
Cc: Tistadt, Dean; Moniuszko, Richard A..; School Board Office; Dale, Jack; Kirkbride, Sue; Donohue, Christine W.; Cornell, Lora L.
Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:37:53 2010
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Colleagues, first, I continue to hope that Liz will be offering an amendment consistent with this one, which I will support.
If we do have to move forward with my amendment, please know that the spirit and intent of this revised language is the same as my prior version. The only significant changes are: 1) the date. I thought the next safety review was 2015. It is 2013. 2) There is no explicit language in this motion abt moving other projects up in the renovation queue. This remains the intent of the amendment and I will speak to this intent publicly on the record tomorrow night. However, according to kathy, there must be a separate vote on the renovation queue, which I am told is scheduled for september. If we vote to push off a decision on clifton until 2013, as a practical matter, it is removed from the renovation queue. We will be able to vote to change the renovation queue and take the money once allocated to clifton and direct it towards other projects. I certainly would have preferred explicit language codifying this in the motion. However, kathy has advised that such language would be out of order. Perhaps there is some additional clarification that can be made at the board table. I would welcome it.
Many thanks again for considering. Please let me know if you have any additional questions.
See you tomorrow.
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From: Goddard, Pam
To: School Board Members
Cc: Tistadt, Dean; Moniuszko, Richard A..; School Board Office; Dale, Jack; Kirkbride, Sue; Donohue, Christine W.; Cornell, Lora L.
Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:03:32 2010
Subject: proposed amendment from Tina
Tina has asked me to send her proposed amendment to all of you—I will be posting it to the agenda item on BoardDocs this afternoon.
I move to postpone the Board’s consideration of closing and renovating Clifton Elementary School until no later than October 2013.
Pam
Pam Goddard
Executive Assistant and
Clerk of the School Board
571.423.1060
P Please consider the environment before printing this email
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
slapdown
()
Date: December 08, 2010 02:54PM
From: Tistadt, Dean [mailto:datistadt@fcps.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:50 PM
To: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member); Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
The board did agree that the queue should be re-established every five years. There were a numbers of reasons for the decision to have a periodic review to include the absence of WSHS from the then existing queue but i do believe other schools were also absent.
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Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
To: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member)
Cc: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:45:58 2010
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
There is a peiodic review of the cip queue. To make sure crisis hasn't been missed. I believe we adopted it as a result of the west springfield high school oversights. Dean, perhaps you can clarify?
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From: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:39:54 2010
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Tina,
I have served on this Board for nearly 15 years, and have never heard of a "safety review." What are you referring to?
Stu
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:50 PM
To: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member); Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
The board did agree that the queue should be re-established every five years. There were a numbers of reasons for the decision to have a periodic review to include the absence of WSHS from the then existing queue but i do believe other schools were also absent.
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
To: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member)
Cc: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:45:58 2010
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
There is a peiodic review of the cip queue. To make sure crisis hasn't been missed. I believe we adopted it as a result of the west springfield high school oversights. Dean, perhaps you can clarify?
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From: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:39:54 2010
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Tina,
I have served on this Board for nearly 15 years, and have never heard of a "safety review." What are you referring to?
Stu
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Who got to Moon
()
Date: December 08, 2010 02:57PM
The day before the vote.....why did Moon cave?
Spineless?
No leadership at all.
From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member) [mailto:IMoon@fcps.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:52 PM
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
Yes. (Unofficially until I first let Liz know when she calls me which I hope happens soon.)
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:47 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
You got it! Will you stick with me on clifton. I think I have 5 votes.
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:27:13 2010
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
OK. On the other issue, I talked with Dan and he was willing to make a nomination. I would be honored, if you could second.
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
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Spineless?
No leadership at all.
From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member) [mailto:IMoon@fcps.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:52 PM
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
Yes. (Unofficially until I first let Liz know when she calls me which I hope happens soon.)
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:47 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
You got it! Will you stick with me on clifton. I think I have 5 votes.
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:27:13 2010
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
OK. On the other issue, I talked with Dan and he was willing to make a nomination. I would be honored, if you could second.
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Rainey bought by Tistadt
()
Date: December 08, 2010 03:01PM
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member) [mailto:mahone@fcps.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:48 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
He said he is going to talk to liz again abt coming thru to save the day. He is not comfortable with the split vote that we appear to be heading into. He also said he would find it hard to understand if liz suddenly changed her views and decided to push for closing clifton despite the split vote. Not sure what any of that means. Jim is slipping. Jack clled and left him a message, asking him to call dean. Dean then began dissuading jim, it appears. Seems odd that our employee would be affirmatively calling other board members to lobby to get them to support closing clifton. Especially when a member of the board has an amendment pending. Its one thing for him to share views. Another to lobby against my amendment. I'm going to raise this issue at retreat, I think.
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:48 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
He said he is going to talk to liz again abt coming thru to save the day. He is not comfortable with the split vote that we appear to be heading into. He also said he would find it hard to understand if liz suddenly changed her views and decided to push for closing clifton despite the split vote. Not sure what any of that means. Jim is slipping. Jack clled and left him a message, asking him to call dean. Dean then began dissuading jim, it appears. Seems odd that our employee would be affirmatively calling other board members to lobby to get them to support closing clifton. Especially when a member of the board has an amendment pending. Its one thing for him to share views. Another to lobby against my amendment. I'm going to raise this issue at retreat, I think.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
questioner
()
Date: December 08, 2010 03:06PM
Question:
Why does Tisdadt want to close Clifton? There are lots of dots missing. The emails are revealing, but the dots are not there. Liz clearly has political motivation. Kathy just wants to be reelected, I think. Stu is on a power trip. Why is Hone the only one with any common sense? Of course, that appears to be the missing dot in this whole process: common sense.
Why does Tisdadt want to close Clifton? There are lots of dots missing. The emails are revealing, but the dots are not there. Liz clearly has political motivation. Kathy just wants to be reelected, I think. Stu is on a power trip. Why is Hone the only one with any common sense? Of course, that appears to be the missing dot in this whole process: common sense.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Are you in or out?
()
Date: December 08, 2010 03:24PM
From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member) [mailto:IMoon@fcps.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:10 PM
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Thanks.
Ilryong Moon
Fairfax County School Board
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Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 20:07:03 2010
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Just spoke with Jim. He is back on board
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 18:21:53 2010
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
Hmmm.... He was going to second your motion, but is now dead silent?
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:17 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Don't know. Radio silence.
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 17:46:09 2010
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
Have you lost him?
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:42 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Are you with me even if we lose jim?
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 16:53:55 2010
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
OK.
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:52 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
I have a call in to him.
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 16:50:47 2010
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
Is Jim changing his vote, then?
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:48 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
He said he is going to talk to liz again abt coming thru to save the day. He is not comfortable with the split vote that we appear to be heading into. He also said he would find it hard to understand if liz suddenly changed her views and decided to push for closing clifton despite the split vote. Not sure what any of that means. Jim is slipping. Jack clled and left him a message, asking him to call dean. Dean then began dissuading jim, it appears. Seems odd that our employee would be affirmatively calling other board members to lobby to get them to support closing clifton. Especially when a member of the board has an amendment pending. Its one thing for him to share views. Another to lobby against my amendment. I'm going to raise this issue at retreat, I think.
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 16:31:52 2010
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
Good luck!
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:31 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Yes. He was inclined to support but needed to talk to liz. On phone with brad right now.
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 16:23:28 2010
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
Have you talked to Dan?
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:47 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
You got it! Will you stick with me on clifton. I think I have 5 votes.
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:27:13 2010
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
OK. On the other issue, I talked with Dan and he was willing to make a nomination. I would be honored, if you could second.
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:23 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Yes. It is the year of the safety review.
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:08:05 2010
Subject: FW: proposed amendment from Tina
2013, was that what you wanted?
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
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From: Goddard, Pam
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:03 PM
To: School Board Members
Cc: Tistadt, Dean; Moniuszko, Richard A..; School Board Office; Dale, Jack; Kirkbride, Sue; Donohue, Christine W.; Cornell, Lora L.
Subject: proposed amendment from Tina
Tina has asked me to send her proposed amendment to all of you—I will be posting it to the agenda item on BoardDocs this afternoon.
I move to postpone the Board’s consideration of closing and renovating Clifton Elementary School until no later than October 2013.
Pam
Pam Goddard
Executive Assistant and
Clerk of the School Board
571.423.1060
P Please consider the environment before printing this email
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:10 PM
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Thanks.
Ilryong Moon
Fairfax County School Board
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 20:07:03 2010
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Just spoke with Jim. He is back on board
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 18:21:53 2010
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
Hmmm.... He was going to second your motion, but is now dead silent?
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:17 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Don't know. Radio silence.
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 17:46:09 2010
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
Have you lost him?
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:42 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Are you with me even if we lose jim?
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 16:53:55 2010
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
OK.
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
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From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:52 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
I have a call in to him.
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 16:50:47 2010
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
Is Jim changing his vote, then?
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:48 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
He said he is going to talk to liz again abt coming thru to save the day. He is not comfortable with the split vote that we appear to be heading into. He also said he would find it hard to understand if liz suddenly changed her views and decided to push for closing clifton despite the split vote. Not sure what any of that means. Jim is slipping. Jack clled and left him a message, asking him to call dean. Dean then began dissuading jim, it appears. Seems odd that our employee would be affirmatively calling other board members to lobby to get them to support closing clifton. Especially when a member of the board has an amendment pending. Its one thing for him to share views. Another to lobby against my amendment. I'm going to raise this issue at retreat, I think.
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 16:31:52 2010
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
Good luck!
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:31 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Yes. He was inclined to support but needed to talk to liz. On phone with brad right now.
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 16:23:28 2010
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
Have you talked to Dan?
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:47 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
You got it! Will you stick with me on clifton. I think I have 5 votes.
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From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:27:13 2010
Subject: RE: proposed amendment from Tina
OK. On the other issue, I talked with Dan and he was willing to make a nomination. I would be honored, if you could second.
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:23 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: proposed amendment from Tina
Yes. It is the year of the safety review.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:08:05 2010
Subject: FW: proposed amendment from Tina
2013, was that what you wanted?
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Goddard, Pam
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:03 PM
To: School Board Members
Cc: Tistadt, Dean; Moniuszko, Richard A..; School Board Office; Dale, Jack; Kirkbride, Sue; Donohue, Christine W.; Cornell, Lora L.
Subject: proposed amendment from Tina
Tina has asked me to send her proposed amendment to all of you—I will be posting it to the agenda item on BoardDocs this afternoon.
I move to postpone the Board’s consideration of closing and renovating Clifton Elementary School until no later than October 2013.
Pam
Pam Goddard
Executive Assistant and
Clerk of the School Board
571.423.1060
P Please consider the environment before printing this email
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to Number Question
()
Date: December 08, 2010 03:29PM
number question Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> A question about membership.
>
> I don't understand how FCPS can predict the great
> changes in school membership from one year to the
> next. For example: Sangster currently shows a
> membership of 860. However, FCPS predicts that
> Sangster will have 783 next September without any
> moves. That just does not make sense. Am I
> missing something? That's a delta of 77 if I
> count right. Does something else factor in?
>
> Cub Run currently has 476 and FCPS predicts 433
> next Fall without changes. Eagle View currently
> has 937 and FCPS predicts 1023.....London Towne
> has 892 and FCPS projects 933.
>
> I am using the numbers from the chart on Option D
> and the membership statistics from the school
> profile page. How does Eagle View go from 1013 in
> 2013 to 1214 in 2015? That's 200 kids! Is there
> that much construction going on? I can understand
> increase due to construction--but 200? And that
> still does not explain a 77 drop at Sangster.
That's odd... where are you getting the Sangster numbers from?
See views from CIP and dashboard below. Well, anyway, all the numbers come from Larry, the fairly confident demographer. Check out Sangster on the CIP - 2010 projection is 809 and they are at 855! wow, that's accuracy.
Attachments:
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> A question about membership.
>
> I don't understand how FCPS can predict the great
> changes in school membership from one year to the
> next. For example: Sangster currently shows a
> membership of 860. However, FCPS predicts that
> Sangster will have 783 next September without any
> moves. That just does not make sense. Am I
> missing something? That's a delta of 77 if I
> count right. Does something else factor in?
>
> Cub Run currently has 476 and FCPS predicts 433
> next Fall without changes. Eagle View currently
> has 937 and FCPS predicts 1023.....London Towne
> has 892 and FCPS projects 933.
>
> I am using the numbers from the chart on Option D
> and the membership statistics from the school
> profile page. How does Eagle View go from 1013 in
> 2013 to 1214 in 2015? That's 200 kids! Is there
> that much construction going on? I can understand
> increase due to construction--but 200? And that
> still does not explain a 77 drop at Sangster.
That's odd... where are you getting the Sangster numbers from?
See views from CIP and dashboard below. Well, anyway, all the numbers come from Larry, the fairly confident demographer. Check out Sangster on the CIP - 2010 projection is 809 and they are at 855! wow, that's accuracy.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to Number Question
()
Date: December 08, 2010 03:30PM
Oops - here is the CIP - it didn't make it into the post
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Answers
()
Date: December 08, 2010 03:44PM
questioner Wrote:
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> Question:
>
> Why does Tisdadt want to close Clifton? There are
> lots of dots missing. The emails are revealing,
> but the dots are not there. Liz clearly has
> political motivation. Kathy just wants to be
> reelected, I think. Stu is on a power trip. Why
> is Hone the only one with any common sense? Of
> course, that appears to be the missing dot in this
> whole process: common sense.
Likely just a very simple answer. It's easier to oversee a new build than a renovation.
He might also be thinking about his staff. Get multiple people working on multiple things and they aren't likely to reduce your staff. May even increase it! It would make common sense that was also part of the drive of the staff to close Clifton and either build a new school or do multiple additions. Of course, nobody is going to figure in that extra cost to the taxpayers now are they?
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> Question:
>
> Why does Tisdadt want to close Clifton? There are
> lots of dots missing. The emails are revealing,
> but the dots are not there. Liz clearly has
> political motivation. Kathy just wants to be
> reelected, I think. Stu is on a power trip. Why
> is Hone the only one with any common sense? Of
> course, that appears to be the missing dot in this
> whole process: common sense.
Likely just a very simple answer. It's easier to oversee a new build than a renovation.
He might also be thinking about his staff. Get multiple people working on multiple things and they aren't likely to reduce your staff. May even increase it! It would make common sense that was also part of the drive of the staff to close Clifton and either build a new school or do multiple additions. Of course, nobody is going to figure in that extra cost to the taxpayers now are they?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
number question answer
()
Date: December 08, 2010 04:35PM
Sangster current membership number came from this link:
http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:107:2774952927675433::::P0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID:377
If you go to "schools and centers" on the FCPS site, you can find the membership link for each school. It is a tab on the "profile" page. It shows the up to date membership data.
http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:107:2774952927675433::::P0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID:377
If you go to "schools and centers" on the FCPS site, you can find the membership link for each school. It is a tab on the "profile" page. It shows the up to date membership data.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SangsterFalling
()
Date: December 08, 2010 05:04PM
to Number Question Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> number question Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A question about membership.
> >
> > I don't understand how FCPS can predict the
> great
> > changes in school membership from one year to
> the
> > next. For example: Sangster currently shows a
> > membership of 860. However, FCPS predicts that
> > Sangster will have 783 next September without
> any
> > moves. That just does not make sense. Am I
> > missing something? That's a delta of 77 if I
> > count right. Does something else factor in?
> >
> > Cub Run currently has 476 and FCPS predicts 433
> > next Fall without changes. Eagle View currently
> > has 937 and FCPS predicts 1023.....London Towne
> > has 892 and FCPS projects 933.
> >
> > I am using the numbers from the chart on Option
> D
> > and the membership statistics from the school
> > profile page. How does Eagle View go from 1013
> in
> > 2013 to 1214 in 2015? That's 200 kids! Is
> there
> > that much construction going on? I can
> understand
> > increase due to construction--but 200? And
> that
> > still does not explain a 77 drop at Sangster.
>
>
> That's odd... where are you getting the Sangster
> numbers from?
>
> See views from CIP and dashboard below. Well,
> anyway, all the numbers come from Larry, the
> fairly confident demographer. Check out Sangster
> on the CIP - 2010 projection is 809 and they are
> at 855! wow, that's accuracy.
Once Sangster is overcrowded from moving Clifton kids into Sangster than they can just move the GT kids out of Sangster and put them over in Silverbrook. Can you see where this is going?
-------------------------------------------------------
> number question Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A question about membership.
> >
> > I don't understand how FCPS can predict the
> great
> > changes in school membership from one year to
> the
> > next. For example: Sangster currently shows a
> > membership of 860. However, FCPS predicts that
> > Sangster will have 783 next September without
> any
> > moves. That just does not make sense. Am I
> > missing something? That's a delta of 77 if I
> > count right. Does something else factor in?
> >
> > Cub Run currently has 476 and FCPS predicts 433
> > next Fall without changes. Eagle View currently
> > has 937 and FCPS predicts 1023.....London Towne
> > has 892 and FCPS projects 933.
> >
> > I am using the numbers from the chart on Option
> D
> > and the membership statistics from the school
> > profile page. How does Eagle View go from 1013
> in
> > 2013 to 1214 in 2015? That's 200 kids! Is
> there
> > that much construction going on? I can
> understand
> > increase due to construction--but 200? And
> that
> > still does not explain a 77 drop at Sangster.
>
>
> That's odd... where are you getting the Sangster
> numbers from?
>
> See views from CIP and dashboard below. Well,
> anyway, all the numbers come from Larry, the
> fairly confident demographer. Check out Sangster
> on the CIP - 2010 projection is 809 and they are
> at 855! wow, that's accuracy.
Once Sangster is overcrowded from moving Clifton kids into Sangster than they can just move the GT kids out of Sangster and put them over in Silverbrook. Can you see where this is going?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to number question answer
()
Date: December 08, 2010 05:06PM
number question answer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sangster current membership number came from this
> link:
>
>
> http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:10
> 7:2774952927675433::::P0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID:377
>
> If you go to "schools and centers" on the FCPS
> site, you can find the membership link for each
> school. It is a tab on the "profile" page. It
> shows the up to date membership data.
aha - thanks for the link. So dashboard is as of Sep. http://www.fcps.edu/fts/dashboard/10-11dashboard.html
Back to your original question... the declining enrollment predictions are indeed odd, but not suprising since FCPS will publish any number that happens to support their goal of the day. I suspect in this case the projected decline in Sangster is mean to assure that there is room for some of the Clifton kids (??).
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sangster current membership number came from this
> link:
>
>
> http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:10
> 7:2774952927675433::::P0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID:377
>
> If you go to "schools and centers" on the FCPS
> site, you can find the membership link for each
> school. It is a tab on the "profile" page. It
> shows the up to date membership data.
aha - thanks for the link. So dashboard is as of Sep. http://www.fcps.edu/fts/dashboard/10-11dashboard.html
Back to your original question... the declining enrollment predictions are indeed odd, but not suprising since FCPS will publish any number that happens to support their goal of the day. I suspect in this case the projected decline in Sangster is mean to assure that there is room for some of the Clifton kids (??).
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
nope
()
Date: December 08, 2010 05:29PM
any others? Wrote:
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> It seems like all the letters that supported
> closing CES came from just a few that Liz Bradsher
> was personal friends with. Are there others
> besides Bob, Kara and Cassie (all of whom Liz
> personally recruited) that wrote letters in
> support of closing Clifton? Besides SOAR also
> since they were personally recruited by Liz as
> well.
>
> Seems to me that while Kara is crying for the SB
> to not give to a few to spite the many, that's
> exactly what they were doing!
It doesn't look like there are any others. At least according to Liz.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'larsen family'
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: Save our school! We're not playing nice anymore.
It is not getting any better. You might want to read the email below that was sent out to Clifton residents from the mayor.
We have not heard from you subcommittee or others only Clifton. This distressed me because the issue doesn’t end with a report and your and other subcommittees expertise and knowledge would be of value to learn from in an email or testimony to the Board.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-------------------------------------------------------
> It seems like all the letters that supported
> closing CES came from just a few that Liz Bradsher
> was personal friends with. Are there others
> besides Bob, Kara and Cassie (all of whom Liz
> personally recruited) that wrote letters in
> support of closing Clifton? Besides SOAR also
> since they were personally recruited by Liz as
> well.
>
> Seems to me that while Kara is crying for the SB
> to not give to a few to spite the many, that's
> exactly what they were doing!
It doesn't look like there are any others. At least according to Liz.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'larsen family'
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: Save our school! We're not playing nice anymore.
It is not getting any better. You might want to read the email below that was sent out to Clifton residents from the mayor.
We have not heard from you subcommittee or others only Clifton. This distressed me because the issue doesn’t end with a report and your and other subcommittees expertise and knowledge would be of value to learn from in an email or testimony to the Board.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Letters to Lizzy
()
Date: December 08, 2010 08:32PM
WOW - Did Peter Noonan forward EVERYTHING to Liz? Good grief.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'larsen family'
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: Save our school! We're not playing nice anymore.
It is not getting any better. You might want to read the email below that was sent out to Clifton residents from the mayor.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'larsen family'
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: Save our school! We're not playing nice anymore.
It is not getting any better. You might want to read the email below that was sent out to Clifton residents from the mayor.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Take this, Peter
()
Date: December 09, 2010 01:17AM
YUCK.
Attachments:
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
timeline
()
Date: December 09, 2010 10:39AM
Are you in or out? Wrote:
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:10 PM
> Moon: Thanks.
>
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 20:07:03 2010
Hone: Just spoke with Jim. He is back on board
>
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 18:21:53 2010
Moon: Hmmm.... He was going to second your motion, but
> is now dead silent?
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:17 PM
Hone: Don't know. Radio silence.
>
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 17:46:09 2010
Moon: Have you lost him?
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:42 PM
>
Hone: Are you with me even if we lose jim?
>
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 16:53:55 2010
>
> Moon: OK.
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:52 PM
>
> Hone: I have a call in to him.
>
>
>
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 16:50:47 2010
>
> Moon:Is Jim changing his vote, then?
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:48 PM
>
> Hone: He said he is going to talk to liz again abt
> coming thru to save the day. He is not comfortable
> with the split vote that we appear to be heading
> into. He also said he would find it hard to
> understand if liz suddenly changed her views and
> decided to push for closing clifton despite the
> split vote. Not sure what any of that means. Jim
> is slipping. Jack clled and left him a message,
> asking him to call dean. Dean then began
> dissuading jim, it appears. Seems odd that our
> employee would be affirmatively calling other
> board members to lobby to get them to support
> closing clifton. Especially when a member of the
> board has an amendment pending. Its one thing for
> him to share views. Another to lobby against my
> amendment. I'm going to raise this issue at
> retreat, I think.
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 16:31:52 2010
Moon: Good luck!
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:31 PM
> Hone: Yes. He was inclined to support but needed to talk
> to liz. On phone with brad right now.
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 16:23:28 2010
>
>
> Moon: Have you talked to Dan?
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:47 PM
>
> Hone: You got it! Will you stick with me on clifton. I
> think I have 5 votes.
>
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:27:13 2010
>
> Moon: OK. On the other issue, I talked with Dan and he
> was willing to make a nomination. I would be
> honored, if you could second.
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:08:05 2010
Moon: 2013, was that what you wanted?
So, The night before the vote, after MONTHS of studying the "facts" and thousands of hours and dollars spent on whether to close Clifton, this is what it boils down to....
Doubts among School Board members about whether to close the school.
We know the Evil Four are unreasonable and only doing what Bradsher tells them (Wilson, Strauss, Smith and Gibson). They ignore the water reports stating that it is a non-issue, they ignore the fact that this is a high-performing school and nobody closes a high performing school, they ignore the overcrowding in the area around Clifton. They are unreachable no matter what.
But what about Rainey, Moon, Storck and Center?
Where is their moral compass?
The night before the vote Storck had serious doubts, as did Rainey and Moon. Center is a follower and would have voted with them
Folks, this is government at its worst before us. On display for all to see. People not making decisions based on facts.
Talk about reasonable doubt? How would you like these marshmellows on a jury deciding whether to sentence someone to die?
We don't need these bad apples running our schools.
This decision was so easy, so logical, the only thing to do was to delay the decision and wait to see what the enrollment numbers look like.
There was no harm in keeping this school open.
Screw the Bob Larsens and Cassie Eatmons of the world. You people are haters and self-serving jerks. Stay out of a matter that doesn't concern you. If you have political ambitions, you better put that matter to bed. NOBODY would want you leading anything. You are toxic and your lies and back-stabbing efforts are noted by all.
The time has come to right the wrong and keep this school open. Bradsher is toast anyways politically-she is done. She doesn't matter anymore.
Let's do the right thing here.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:10 PM
> Moon: Thanks.
>
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 20:07:03 2010
Hone: Just spoke with Jim. He is back on board
>
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 18:21:53 2010
Moon: Hmmm.... He was going to second your motion, but
> is now dead silent?
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:17 PM
Hone: Don't know. Radio silence.
>
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 17:46:09 2010
Moon: Have you lost him?
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:42 PM
>
Hone: Are you with me even if we lose jim?
>
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 16:53:55 2010
>
> Moon: OK.
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:52 PM
>
> Hone: I have a call in to him.
>
>
>
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 16:50:47 2010
>
> Moon:Is Jim changing his vote, then?
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:48 PM
>
> Hone: He said he is going to talk to liz again abt
> coming thru to save the day. He is not comfortable
> with the split vote that we appear to be heading
> into. He also said he would find it hard to
> understand if liz suddenly changed her views and
> decided to push for closing clifton despite the
> split vote. Not sure what any of that means. Jim
> is slipping. Jack clled and left him a message,
> asking him to call dean. Dean then began
> dissuading jim, it appears. Seems odd that our
> employee would be affirmatively calling other
> board members to lobby to get them to support
> closing clifton. Especially when a member of the
> board has an amendment pending. Its one thing for
> him to share views. Another to lobby against my
> amendment. I'm going to raise this issue at
> retreat, I think.
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 16:31:52 2010
Moon: Good luck!
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:31 PM
> Hone: Yes. He was inclined to support but needed to talk
> to liz. On phone with brad right now.
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 16:23:28 2010
>
>
> Moon: Have you talked to Dan?
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:47 PM
>
> Hone: You got it! Will you stick with me on clifton. I
> think I have 5 votes.
>
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:27:13 2010
>
> Moon: OK. On the other issue, I talked with Dan and he
> was willing to make a nomination. I would be
> honored, if you could second.
> Sent: Wed Jul 07 15:08:05 2010
Moon: 2013, was that what you wanted?
So, The night before the vote, after MONTHS of studying the "facts" and thousands of hours and dollars spent on whether to close Clifton, this is what it boils down to....
Doubts among School Board members about whether to close the school.
We know the Evil Four are unreasonable and only doing what Bradsher tells them (Wilson, Strauss, Smith and Gibson). They ignore the water reports stating that it is a non-issue, they ignore the fact that this is a high-performing school and nobody closes a high performing school, they ignore the overcrowding in the area around Clifton. They are unreachable no matter what.
But what about Rainey, Moon, Storck and Center?
Where is their moral compass?
The night before the vote Storck had serious doubts, as did Rainey and Moon. Center is a follower and would have voted with them
Folks, this is government at its worst before us. On display for all to see. People not making decisions based on facts.
Talk about reasonable doubt? How would you like these marshmellows on a jury deciding whether to sentence someone to die?
We don't need these bad apples running our schools.
This decision was so easy, so logical, the only thing to do was to delay the decision and wait to see what the enrollment numbers look like.
There was no harm in keeping this school open.
Screw the Bob Larsens and Cassie Eatmons of the world. You people are haters and self-serving jerks. Stay out of a matter that doesn't concern you. If you have political ambitions, you better put that matter to bed. NOBODY would want you leading anything. You are toxic and your lies and back-stabbing efforts are noted by all.
The time has come to right the wrong and keep this school open. Bradsher is toast anyways politically-she is done. She doesn't matter anymore.
Let's do the right thing here.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Tistadt lied
()
Date: December 09, 2010 11:31AM
Dean Tistadt and his herd of staff members had months to make the case to close Clifton.
If a School Board member is on the fence the night before the vote, then clearly he didn't do a great job in laying out the justification for closure.
For Tistadt to LIE to Rainey about the impact this all has on a "sacred CIP" and how it will upset the Board of Supervisors is just too much to stomach.
Let's ask the BOS.
Do you guys give a holy crap if the school board votes to delay a renovation on a school?
Answer: OF COURSE NOT!!!!
It actually demonstrates fiscal responsibility- a quality usually NOT demonstrated by this school board.
Shame on Tistadt and double shame on Rainey for being a sucker.
If a School Board member is on the fence the night before the vote, then clearly he didn't do a great job in laying out the justification for closure.
For Tistadt to LIE to Rainey about the impact this all has on a "sacred CIP" and how it will upset the Board of Supervisors is just too much to stomach.
Let's ask the BOS.
Do you guys give a holy crap if the school board votes to delay a renovation on a school?
Answer: OF COURSE NOT!!!!
It actually demonstrates fiscal responsibility- a quality usually NOT demonstrated by this school board.
Shame on Tistadt and double shame on Rainey for being a sucker.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
why
()
Date: December 09, 2010 11:43AM
Questions:
Is there some group who has shown interest in purchasing Clifton site? Is there something we don't know--a moneymaking scheme or something? There is a huge dot missing in this whole thing. What is it? There has got to be a reason that they are so anxious to close Clifton.
I have nothing to do with Clifton. Looking at it objectively, it makes no sense. I understand that others were pushing for their own schools and Liz was encouraging them. But, why are the others so anxious to close Clifton? Surely, it is not just power.
Is there some group who has shown interest in purchasing Clifton site? Is there something we don't know--a moneymaking scheme or something? There is a huge dot missing in this whole thing. What is it? There has got to be a reason that they are so anxious to close Clifton.
I have nothing to do with Clifton. Looking at it objectively, it makes no sense. I understand that others were pushing for their own schools and Liz was encouraging them. But, why are the others so anxious to close Clifton? Surely, it is not just power.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Rainey lied to
()
Date: December 09, 2010 11:53AM
----- Original Message -----
From: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 13:11:18 2010
Subject: Re: Amendment
I got msg from jack and talked with dean at length and am now less interested in delaying closure decision for 5 years because of precedent of altering cip queue and political support from bos for cip but would still second amendment and maybe not vote for it so am now leaning toward closure
--------------------------
Sent using BlackBerry
From: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 13:11:18 2010
Subject: Re: Amendment
I got msg from jack and talked with dean at length and am now less interested in delaying closure decision for 5 years because of precedent of altering cip queue and political support from bos for cip but would still second amendment and maybe not vote for it so am now leaning toward closure
--------------------------
Sent using BlackBerry
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bwahahaack is back
()
Date: December 09, 2010 11:54AM
why Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> I have nothing to do with Clifton. Looking at it
> objectively, it makes no sense. I understand that
> others were pushing for their own schools and Liz
> was encouraging them. But, why are the others so
> anxious to close Clifton? Surely, it is not just
> power.
First, you support Clifton here, so you obviously have something to do with the town. Interesting paradox, yes?
Second, CES is being closed because it's old, the water is bad, the repair $$$ needed to make it safe are a waste, and it's tough to even get to from a construction egress perspective.
Meaning money better spent on larger SOCO schools, which is making a lot of parents happy and will lead to Liz's reelection despite the Clifton complaints.
The truth is out there.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> I have nothing to do with Clifton. Looking at it
> objectively, it makes no sense. I understand that
> others were pushing for their own schools and Liz
> was encouraging them. But, why are the others so
> anxious to close Clifton? Surely, it is not just
> power.
First, you support Clifton here, so you obviously have something to do with the town. Interesting paradox, yes?
Second, CES is being closed because it's old, the water is bad, the repair $$$ needed to make it safe are a waste, and it's tough to even get to from a construction egress perspective.
Meaning money better spent on larger SOCO schools, which is making a lot of parents happy and will lead to Liz's reelection despite the Clifton complaints.
The truth is out there.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
CIP is sacred cow??
()
Date: December 09, 2010 12:05PM
-----Original Message-----
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member) [mailto:mahone@fcps.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:23 AM
To: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
Subject: Fw: Amendment
I'm trying ... Hard ...this is gonna be a photo finish sister.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 08:22:23 2010
Subject: Re: Amendment
Don't lock yourself in a box. I see you struggle and agonize over equity and I admire you for it. But fairness and equity are not the same. Life isn't neat. You know that. You are not helping clifton and perpetuating an inequity (which I think is what is tormenting you on this decision). This is about the 1300 kids and more outside of clifton. That is the real crisis. Closing clifton does not meaningfully contribute to fixing that challenge. And keeping it open - without spending taxpayer dollars on renovations - does not hurt those 1300 kids. We can fix the overcrowding without hurting clifton or wasting taxpayer money. It is the win win win.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 07:25:58 2010
Subject: RE: Amendment
Yes, WSHS and others which serve thousands of students. I also spoke to Jim last night too. Not too worried about him. Thanks though.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-----Original Message-----
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:25 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Amendment
Jim said he would support the amendment as I framed it. Are you trying to pull west springfield up the queue? I support that but suspect that will cost you some votes. My rationale is that with these low construction costs, the responsible thing for us to do is to find the biggest renovation projects (high schools!) And put them first. Greater long term savings.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 07:16:09 2010
Subject: Re: Amendment
Not sure about 2 of those--working on that.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 07:13:04 2010
Subject: Re: Amendment
Not always just abt the votes. Although as I count them, you have them. You can carry this.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 07:10:42 2010
Subject: Re: Amendment
True--thinking votes though--all about those votes!
----- Original Message -----
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 06:55:13 2010
Subject: Re: Amendment
Just one quick response: it is one thing for us to take a school off the CIP without its consent bcse we (the board or staff)decided to do so, hence disappointing the community that has been waiting. It is quite another to take it off bcse the community requests it and allows others to move in front of it in line.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 06:31:59 2010
Subject: RE: Amendment
Tina,
I have the correct language for this--my hold up is the CIP part because I am being told we can't introduce the CIP at this time. It has to wait till CIP time and if this is the case I have no assurances such a motion will past at that time because the BOARD HAS NEVER taken a school off the CIP during CIP deliberations. It would set a bad precedent and some would argue if you did this for one school why not another, etc. I would argue special circumstance, etc.---it would be another up hill battle. The CIP is held holy or something...
This is crucial for me and perhaps others. Taking CES off the CIP means others move up to a new bonding period. I am checking on this particular issue. Those votes to close CES are the same to NOT take them off the CIP if CES is to remain open. A very tight vote, no assurances.
Hence my "Sophie's Choice" as some would say. Do I support several hundred or several thousand students? I have a call into Dan and others as I work this out. Just keeping you in the loop--I was on the phone all last night on this.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-----Original Message-----
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:26 PM
To: School Board Members
Cc: Goddard, Pam; Dale, Jack; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: Amendment
Colleagues:
I am submitting this amendment primarily as a placeholder. I have discussed this with Liz. I know that she has been working to frame something and I would certainly defer to her amendment if it is consistent with the intent of this one. I'm hoping we can avoid a long drawn out email dialogue here. I will reach out to folks if necessary. But again, I'm hopeful Liz pulls a compromise together that we can all support.
______
" I move to defer consideration of clifton renovations or closure until 2015 and, to the extent permissible by law, accelerate other projects in the CIP queue."
I may have the date wrong. But I believe 2015 is the next time clifton would come up for a "safety" review. I also don't know the legalities of moving projects up in the queue.
Thanks much. Tina
Are you telling me that Fairfax County has NEVER changed the schedule of renovations? Never, not once??
Kind of funny how when Miss Fiscal responsible Republican wanted her MIDDLE SCHOOL in SOCO she didn't give a CRAP about the sanctity of the CIP.
Let me enlighten you guys. SOCO MS is on the 2009 bond referendum. We haven't borrowed any money against that bond year yet. We are still on the 2007 bond money.
So how is that school being built now-well ahead of this so--called sacred schedule??
Huhhhhh......well, very simple. SOCO MS RAIDED funds designated toward 2007 projects and jumped ahead of the line.
So much for her preaching to everyone about Clifton.
I need to get my boots on if I am going to walk thru this stuff.
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member) [mailto:mahone@fcps.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:23 AM
To: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
Subject: Fw: Amendment
I'm trying ... Hard ...this is gonna be a photo finish sister.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 08:22:23 2010
Subject: Re: Amendment
Don't lock yourself in a box. I see you struggle and agonize over equity and I admire you for it. But fairness and equity are not the same. Life isn't neat. You know that. You are not helping clifton and perpetuating an inequity (which I think is what is tormenting you on this decision). This is about the 1300 kids and more outside of clifton. That is the real crisis. Closing clifton does not meaningfully contribute to fixing that challenge. And keeping it open - without spending taxpayer dollars on renovations - does not hurt those 1300 kids. We can fix the overcrowding without hurting clifton or wasting taxpayer money. It is the win win win.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 07:25:58 2010
Subject: RE: Amendment
Yes, WSHS and others which serve thousands of students. I also spoke to Jim last night too. Not too worried about him. Thanks though.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-----Original Message-----
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:25 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Amendment
Jim said he would support the amendment as I framed it. Are you trying to pull west springfield up the queue? I support that but suspect that will cost you some votes. My rationale is that with these low construction costs, the responsible thing for us to do is to find the biggest renovation projects (high schools!) And put them first. Greater long term savings.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 07:16:09 2010
Subject: Re: Amendment
Not sure about 2 of those--working on that.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 07:13:04 2010
Subject: Re: Amendment
Not always just abt the votes. Although as I count them, you have them. You can carry this.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 07:10:42 2010
Subject: Re: Amendment
True--thinking votes though--all about those votes!
----- Original Message -----
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 06:55:13 2010
Subject: Re: Amendment
Just one quick response: it is one thing for us to take a school off the CIP without its consent bcse we (the board or staff)decided to do so, hence disappointing the community that has been waiting. It is quite another to take it off bcse the community requests it and allows others to move in front of it in line.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 07 06:31:59 2010
Subject: RE: Amendment
Tina,
I have the correct language for this--my hold up is the CIP part because I am being told we can't introduce the CIP at this time. It has to wait till CIP time and if this is the case I have no assurances such a motion will past at that time because the BOARD HAS NEVER taken a school off the CIP during CIP deliberations. It would set a bad precedent and some would argue if you did this for one school why not another, etc. I would argue special circumstance, etc.---it would be another up hill battle. The CIP is held holy or something...
This is crucial for me and perhaps others. Taking CES off the CIP means others move up to a new bonding period. I am checking on this particular issue. Those votes to close CES are the same to NOT take them off the CIP if CES is to remain open. A very tight vote, no assurances.
Hence my "Sophie's Choice" as some would say. Do I support several hundred or several thousand students? I have a call into Dan and others as I work this out. Just keeping you in the loop--I was on the phone all last night on this.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-----Original Message-----
From: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:26 PM
To: School Board Members
Cc: Goddard, Pam; Dale, Jack; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: Amendment
Colleagues:
I am submitting this amendment primarily as a placeholder. I have discussed this with Liz. I know that she has been working to frame something and I would certainly defer to her amendment if it is consistent with the intent of this one. I'm hoping we can avoid a long drawn out email dialogue here. I will reach out to folks if necessary. But again, I'm hopeful Liz pulls a compromise together that we can all support.
______
" I move to defer consideration of clifton renovations or closure until 2015 and, to the extent permissible by law, accelerate other projects in the CIP queue."
I may have the date wrong. But I believe 2015 is the next time clifton would come up for a "safety" review. I also don't know the legalities of moving projects up in the queue.
Thanks much. Tina
Are you telling me that Fairfax County has NEVER changed the schedule of renovations? Never, not once??
Kind of funny how when Miss Fiscal responsible Republican wanted her MIDDLE SCHOOL in SOCO she didn't give a CRAP about the sanctity of the CIP.
Let me enlighten you guys. SOCO MS is on the 2009 bond referendum. We haven't borrowed any money against that bond year yet. We are still on the 2007 bond money.
So how is that school being built now-well ahead of this so--called sacred schedule??
Huhhhhh......well, very simple. SOCO MS RAIDED funds designated toward 2007 projects and jumped ahead of the line.
So much for her preaching to everyone about Clifton.
I need to get my boots on if I am going to walk thru this stuff.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
failure to disclose
()
Date: December 09, 2010 12:23PM
Interesting.....Tistadt sits on the water test results for FIVE HOURS until after the meeting is started.
I bet he forwarded this email to certain "club members" soliciting advice on what to do with it.
It would make an interesting FOIA.
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: School Board Members
Cc: Dale, Jack; Moniuszko, Richard A..; James, Denise; Sneed, Kevin; Ellis, Fred (Safety & Security)
Sent: Thu Jul 08 19:12:34 2010
Subject: FW: Clifton well results to date
Dear Board Members,
While we must wait for the final test results for radium 228, expected next week, it does appear that the action taken on this well has solved the contamination problems albeit at the expense of reducing its volume. This fix was inexpensive so if the decision is made to keep the school open, it will not be necessary to expend $300,000 to solve this problem or to incur additional annual operating expenses (which were the previous solution estimates).
I do note that this potential expense was not included in the renovation cost estimate. If we renovate Clifton, it will still be necessary to expend monies to construct a water storage and pump system to support the sprinkler system. Those costs were included in the renovation cost estimate.
My thanks to Doug O’Neill for his expertise and all the work done by the Office of Facilities Management to expedite this work.
Dean
_____________________________________________
From: Ellis, Fred (Safety & Security)
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 2:31 PM
To: O'Neill, Doug
Cc: Mutscheller, William; Tistadt, Dean; Sneed, Kevin; James, Denise; Vollmer, Steve
Subject: RE: Clifton well results to date
Doug,
Tks for the thorough explanation of the preliminary results of the analysis of the Clifton ES well water. I continue to appreciate your expertise and suggestions, which have proven to be very helpful and accurate.
Dean, et.al., Doug has advised that we won’t get the one radium (228) result back until next week, but he doesn’t anticipate it to be problematic.
Fred Ellis
I bet he forwarded this email to certain "club members" soliciting advice on what to do with it.
It would make an interesting FOIA.
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: School Board Members
Cc: Dale, Jack; Moniuszko, Richard A..; James, Denise; Sneed, Kevin; Ellis, Fred (Safety & Security)
Sent: Thu Jul 08 19:12:34 2010
Subject: FW: Clifton well results to date
Dear Board Members,
While we must wait for the final test results for radium 228, expected next week, it does appear that the action taken on this well has solved the contamination problems albeit at the expense of reducing its volume. This fix was inexpensive so if the decision is made to keep the school open, it will not be necessary to expend $300,000 to solve this problem or to incur additional annual operating expenses (which were the previous solution estimates).
I do note that this potential expense was not included in the renovation cost estimate. If we renovate Clifton, it will still be necessary to expend monies to construct a water storage and pump system to support the sprinkler system. Those costs were included in the renovation cost estimate.
My thanks to Doug O’Neill for his expertise and all the work done by the Office of Facilities Management to expedite this work.
Dean
_____________________________________________
From: Ellis, Fred (Safety & Security)
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 2:31 PM
To: O'Neill, Doug
Cc: Mutscheller, William; Tistadt, Dean; Sneed, Kevin; James, Denise; Vollmer, Steve
Subject: RE: Clifton well results to date
Doug,
Tks for the thorough explanation of the preliminary results of the analysis of the Clifton ES well water. I continue to appreciate your expertise and suggestions, which have proven to be very helpful and accurate.
Dean, et.al., Doug has advised that we won’t get the one radium (228) result back until next week, but he doesn’t anticipate it to be problematic.
Fred Ellis
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Larsen finally catches a fish!
()
Date: December 09, 2010 12:46PM
-----Original Message-----
From: The Murphys [mailto:theva.murphys@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:42 PM
To: Storck, Dan (School Board Member); Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member); Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Center, Brad (School Board Member); Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member); Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Hone, Tina (School Board Member); Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Strauss, Jane (School Board Member); Reed, Patty (School Board Member); Evans, Sandy (School Board Member)
Subject: FW: SW Boundary Input for public meeting end of Jun 2010--I was deeply involved in the study-close down Clifton ES and place the $20M in investments that will help over crowding 5-10 years from now
Importance: High
Dear School Board Members,
Please give Robert Larsen's report due consideration and support His proposal. We believe in his analysis, and support his conclusions.
During these lean times when all of us are having to make hard adjustments, Spending $20 million on 300 children is beyond excessive - it is simply Ludicrous and defies logic.
Thank you,
Patty & Howard Murphy
5303 Amber Court
Burke, VA 22015
From: The Murphys [mailto:theva.murphys@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:42 PM
To: Storck, Dan (School Board Member); Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member); Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Center, Brad (School Board Member); Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member); Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Hone, Tina (School Board Member); Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Strauss, Jane (School Board Member); Reed, Patty (School Board Member); Evans, Sandy (School Board Member)
Subject: FW: SW Boundary Input for public meeting end of Jun 2010--I was deeply involved in the study-close down Clifton ES and place the $20M in investments that will help over crowding 5-10 years from now
Importance: High
Dear School Board Members,
Please give Robert Larsen's report due consideration and support His proposal. We believe in his analysis, and support his conclusions.
During these lean times when all of us are having to make hard adjustments, Spending $20 million on 300 children is beyond excessive - it is simply Ludicrous and defies logic.
Thank you,
Patty & Howard Murphy
5303 Amber Court
Burke, VA 22015
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
barf bags please
()
Date: December 09, 2010 12:48PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: School Board Members
Cc: Goddard, Pam; Cain, Debora L.
Sent: Fri Jul 09 18:31:51 2010
Subject: FW: Thank you for your service
Dear Colleagues,
I want to thank you all not so much for your vote last night but for your support during this difficult time for me. The vote of course was nice too. J My head has been spinning all day and I admit I am a bit tired. I am sure many of you have received emails about what took place last night. As you would suspect I have gotten some most interesting correspondence too! Surprisingly, half of what I have received or more has been positive. I am forwarding to you an email that was sent today to me. I do not know who these constituents are, I can see by the schools their children attend they live near me but I do not know them. I thought the email was poignant as Captain Docherty and his wife listened to what was said and they are “the silence.â€
I hope everyone has a good week. I did buy some new deodorant today---I know TMI!!!
Liz B.
PS I believe, for what it is worth, we did the right thing as a Board. I am strong with such belief and I know all our students will benefit from our effort last night and continued efforts in the future.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
To: School Board Members
Cc: Goddard, Pam; Cain, Debora L.
Sent: Fri Jul 09 18:31:51 2010
Subject: FW: Thank you for your service
Dear Colleagues,
I want to thank you all not so much for your vote last night but for your support during this difficult time for me. The vote of course was nice too. J My head has been spinning all day and I admit I am a bit tired. I am sure many of you have received emails about what took place last night. As you would suspect I have gotten some most interesting correspondence too! Surprisingly, half of what I have received or more has been positive. I am forwarding to you an email that was sent today to me. I do not know who these constituents are, I can see by the schools their children attend they live near me but I do not know them. I thought the email was poignant as Captain Docherty and his wife listened to what was said and they are “the silence.â€
I hope everyone has a good week. I did buy some new deodorant today---I know TMI!!!
Liz B.
PS I believe, for what it is worth, we did the right thing as a Board. I am strong with such belief and I know all our students will benefit from our effort last night and continued efforts in the future.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
educators or contractors?
()
Date: December 09, 2010 01:06PM
It's interesting to me that Graham Road parents (very different demographic than Clifton) did not want a new school. They wanted the school to stay in its current location. It currently has 455 students. It is a rarity--a somewhat successful, low income school. The parents wanted for it to remain a community school in their own community.
FCPS insisted on building a new school in a different location.
Clifton community also wanted to keep a community school. FCPS insists on closing it and spreading around the students. This action requires building new additions in several places.
Bradsher gets her new, unnecessary, middle school with little protest from the board.
Is FCPS run by educators or contractors?
FCPS insisted on building a new school in a different location.
Clifton community also wanted to keep a community school. FCPS insists on closing it and spreading around the students. This action requires building new additions in several places.
Bradsher gets her new, unnecessary, middle school with little protest from the board.
Is FCPS run by educators or contractors?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
disappointed in Moon
()
Date: December 10, 2010 09:12AM
Why can't Moon make a decision on his own?
He seems obsessed with how Storck and Rainey were voting.
This guy has been on the SB a long time. Who knew he was such a wimp.
He seems obsessed with how Storck and Rainey were voting.
This guy has been on the SB a long time. Who knew he was such a wimp.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
karma for bob larsen
()
Date: December 10, 2010 09:32AM
Bob Larsen lobbied hard to the FCSB to close Clifton. In his letters to school board members he refers to Clifton Elem as the "300 club", as in, don't spend money on the elite "300 club", referring to what he thinks as the number of students at Clifton. Actually, there are around 370 kids at Clifton, and now 76 of them will be transferred over to Sangster, his kid's school. Way to go, Bob, you lobbied for the additional 76 kids to overcrowd your own school! Sangster parents must love you, soon Sangster will be pushing 900 students.
Karma defined: action, seen as bringing upon oneself inevitable results, good or bad, either in this life or in a reincarnation
Bob, you misrepresent the number of students at Clifton Elem., calling it the "300 club", now almost the exact number over 300 are coming to overcrowd your school!
Karma, my friends...
Karma defined: action, seen as bringing upon oneself inevitable results, good or bad, either in this life or in a reincarnation
Bob, you misrepresent the number of students at Clifton Elem., calling it the "300 club", now almost the exact number over 300 are coming to overcrowd your school!
Karma, my friends...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bob larsen pees his pants
()
Date: December 10, 2010 10:18AM
bwahahaack is back Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Second, CES is being closed because it's old, the
> water is bad, the repair $$$ needed to make it
> safe are a waste, and it's tough to even get to
> from a construction egress perspective.
>
> Meaning money better spent on larger SOCO schools,
> which is making a lot of parents happy and will
> lead to Liz's reelection despite the Clifton
> complaints.
>
> The truth is out there.
You are one of three things:
1. You are Liz Bradshaw posting here once again as someone else
2. A Bradshaw flunky who posts here at her command
3. A parent/PTA official from one of the ghetto schools in SC
If you were at VA Run when this came up, you would have seen that the more affluent from all over SC are against this. The already overcrowded 2nd world schools like BRES and Centre Ridge or LondonTown are the only one's who gain from this decision. And most of the parents in those schools don't vote. It is the parents from schools like VRES, Centreville and Clifton that vote. Bradshaw is toast. We have to vote all these corrupt technocrats out of office and then replace Dale with someone who knows that unlimited money isn't the only answer to fixing things. As long as PWC keeps driving their illegal aliens over to Western FFX, we're going to have a problem. Closing high performing schools to spread out the problem of all these ESL kids is the wrong answer.
ps Bob Larsen really does pee his pants. Sad really.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Second, CES is being closed because it's old, the
> water is bad, the repair $$$ needed to make it
> safe are a waste, and it's tough to even get to
> from a construction egress perspective.
>
> Meaning money better spent on larger SOCO schools,
> which is making a lot of parents happy and will
> lead to Liz's reelection despite the Clifton
> complaints.
>
> The truth is out there.
You are one of three things:
1. You are Liz Bradshaw posting here once again as someone else
2. A Bradshaw flunky who posts here at her command
3. A parent/PTA official from one of the ghetto schools in SC
If you were at VA Run when this came up, you would have seen that the more affluent from all over SC are against this. The already overcrowded 2nd world schools like BRES and Centre Ridge or LondonTown are the only one's who gain from this decision. And most of the parents in those schools don't vote. It is the parents from schools like VRES, Centreville and Clifton that vote. Bradshaw is toast. We have to vote all these corrupt technocrats out of office and then replace Dale with someone who knows that unlimited money isn't the only answer to fixing things. As long as PWC keeps driving their illegal aliens over to Western FFX, we're going to have a problem. Closing high performing schools to spread out the problem of all these ESL kids is the wrong answer.
ps Bob Larsen really does pee his pants. Sad really.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Funding for SOCO Middle
()
Date: December 10, 2010 10:50AM
Thursday, June 26, 2008
Fairfax County School Board Votes To Build South County Middle School
The Fairfax County School Board has voted to move forward on the proposed South County Middle School project and has directed Superintendent Jack D. Dale to investigate the possibility of exchanging the currently designated property for other county or Fairfax County Park Authority property directly adjacent to the current South County Secondary School site for construction of the new middle school. Building the middle school adjacent to the current South County Secondary School would enable both schools to share the same athletic fields and, ultimately, reduce the cost of the new school.
The School Board also accepted $5 million for FY 2009 and $5 million for FY 2010 from the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors, approved for the purpose of building a middle school in the South County area.
Those funds will be added to $2 million previously allocated by the School Board.
The Superintendent was also directed to investigate sources of additional new funding or financing, which could include bridge financing or public-private partnerships, to cover the cost of the new school.
Dan Storck, School Board chairman and Mount Vernon District representative, thanked Board and community members for their support and said, “I am very pleased that the Board has approved the building of the long-sought-after middle school in the South County community. Since South County is one of the fastest growing areas of Fairfax County and BRAC (the Defense Department’s Base Realignment and Closure Commission) is expected to bring many more students to this area, this school will make a real difference in meeting the educational needs of this community and its students.â€
The School Board motion specified that operating funds would not be used to pay interest on future bond funding. Construction of the new middle school is to be included in the FY 2010-14 capital improvement program (CIP), which will be presented to the Board in December.
The School Board intends that the new school be built by 2012.
South County Secondary School, which was originally built to serve as a high school with a capacity of 2,500 students, has been operating as a secondary school with 2,900 students enrolled in grades 7-12 during the 2007-08 school year. The school is currently operating on a nine-period day in order to accommodate the extra students. Other solutions the School Board considered to help alleviate crowding at South County include changing boundaries, relocating programs to nearby schools, and building an addition to the existing school.
###
Note: For more information, contact the Fairfax County Public Schools Department of Communications and Community Outreach at 571-423-1200.
Remember Bradsher's lies about the CIP?
This says that the school will be on the 2014-15 CIP but be built by 2012???
Oh and that public-private funding-try a VERY PUBLIC funding of $50 million per the 2009 bond referendum.
Lies, lies and more lies.
Fairfax County School Board Votes To Build South County Middle School
The Fairfax County School Board has voted to move forward on the proposed South County Middle School project and has directed Superintendent Jack D. Dale to investigate the possibility of exchanging the currently designated property for other county or Fairfax County Park Authority property directly adjacent to the current South County Secondary School site for construction of the new middle school. Building the middle school adjacent to the current South County Secondary School would enable both schools to share the same athletic fields and, ultimately, reduce the cost of the new school.
The School Board also accepted $5 million for FY 2009 and $5 million for FY 2010 from the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors, approved for the purpose of building a middle school in the South County area.
Those funds will be added to $2 million previously allocated by the School Board.
The Superintendent was also directed to investigate sources of additional new funding or financing, which could include bridge financing or public-private partnerships, to cover the cost of the new school.
Dan Storck, School Board chairman and Mount Vernon District representative, thanked Board and community members for their support and said, “I am very pleased that the Board has approved the building of the long-sought-after middle school in the South County community. Since South County is one of the fastest growing areas of Fairfax County and BRAC (the Defense Department’s Base Realignment and Closure Commission) is expected to bring many more students to this area, this school will make a real difference in meeting the educational needs of this community and its students.â€
The School Board motion specified that operating funds would not be used to pay interest on future bond funding. Construction of the new middle school is to be included in the FY 2010-14 capital improvement program (CIP), which will be presented to the Board in December.
The School Board intends that the new school be built by 2012.
South County Secondary School, which was originally built to serve as a high school with a capacity of 2,500 students, has been operating as a secondary school with 2,900 students enrolled in grades 7-12 during the 2007-08 school year. The school is currently operating on a nine-period day in order to accommodate the extra students. Other solutions the School Board considered to help alleviate crowding at South County include changing boundaries, relocating programs to nearby schools, and building an addition to the existing school.
###
Note: For more information, contact the Fairfax County Public Schools Department of Communications and Community Outreach at 571-423-1200.
Remember Bradsher's lies about the CIP?
This says that the school will be on the 2014-15 CIP but be built by 2012???
Oh and that public-private funding-try a VERY PUBLIC funding of $50 million per the 2009 bond referendum.
Lies, lies and more lies.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bwahahaack is back
()
Date: December 10, 2010 12:47PM
bob larsen pees his pants Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> If you were at VA Run when this came up, you would
> have seen that the more affluent from all over SC
> are against this. The already overcrowded 2nd
> world schools like BRES and Centre Ridge or
> LondonTown are the only one's who gain from this
> decision. And most of the parents in those
> schools don't vote.
So, you prove our point that this really is an elitist issue and Clifton ES SHOULD be closed.
Bradsher is a shoo-in for re-election. You (and the emails here) basically confirm that she and the FCPS board did the right thing despite what they knew would be push-back from the affluent in her district. Facing adversity from elitists who wield the most influence with the BoS (Herrity et al), they still chose the hard right over the easy wrong.
We'll vote, trust me on that.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> If you were at VA Run when this came up, you would
> have seen that the more affluent from all over SC
> are against this. The already overcrowded 2nd
> world schools like BRES and Centre Ridge or
> LondonTown are the only one's who gain from this
> decision. And most of the parents in those
> schools don't vote.
So, you prove our point that this really is an elitist issue and Clifton ES SHOULD be closed.
Bradsher is a shoo-in for re-election. You (and the emails here) basically confirm that she and the FCPS board did the right thing despite what they knew would be push-back from the affluent in her district. Facing adversity from elitists who wield the most influence with the BoS (Herrity et al), they still chose the hard right over the easy wrong.
We'll vote, trust me on that.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: December 10, 2010 01:06PM
My sense is that Bradsher is toxic now and has no political future.
She could run again and, if she were re-elected, Springfield District voters would at least know this time what they were getting: an unprincipled political operative who is a ready to put the interests of her South County cronies over the rest of those in her district, not to mention the county.
It would be nice to think you could find someone who could do better.
She could run again and, if she were re-elected, Springfield District voters would at least know this time what they were getting: an unprincipled political operative who is a ready to put the interests of her South County cronies over the rest of those in her district, not to mention the county.
It would be nice to think you could find someone who could do better.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bob larsen pees his pants
()
Date: December 10, 2010 02:05PM
bwahahaack is back Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> We'll vote, trust me on that.
Like your lying idol Bradsher, I won't trust you on anything. White trash, illegals and the retarded never vote. It's the elite that vote these pinkos into office. Bradsher has pissed them off. I don't vote for these commies anyway. But now she and her ilk have lost her white-guilt liberal elite base. Good riddence to bad trash.
-------------------------------------------------------
> We'll vote, trust me on that.
Like your lying idol Bradsher, I won't trust you on anything. White trash, illegals and the retarded never vote. It's the elite that vote these pinkos into office. Bradsher has pissed them off. I don't vote for these commies anyway. But now she and her ilk have lost her white-guilt liberal elite base. Good riddence to bad trash.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To: Bob Larsen pees in his pants
()
Date: December 10, 2010 05:08PM
You are right on the money! Thank you.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
PO'd by FCPS (again)
()
Date: December 10, 2010 06:36PM
Finishing my survey - submitted it - and - sorry, you are not a winner, please (don't) try again.
Attachments:
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz a lush???
()
Date: December 10, 2010 08:15PM
is this really someone we want running our schools????
And regarding the survey above - WTH?!?! It was supposed to be open until 5pm!!!
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Cain, Debora L.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 4/16/2010 8:22:41 AM
Subject: Re: Voicemail message
Attachments:
I saw him last night, will call you after my morning vodka! :)
________________________________
From: Cain, Debora L.
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Cc: Cain, Debora L.
Sent: Fri Apr 16 08:15:11 2010
Subject: Voicemail message
Good morning, Liz:
Rob Jones has left me a message asking for a meeting with you. His message was as follows:
“I would like to reconnect with Liz from a scheduling standpoint; sent her an email and also very briefly spoke with her on Tuesday night, but would like to get some time to sit down and have a dedicated discussion with her for about an hour regarding the Clifton topic. Please contact me and let me know when some time might be available.â€
How should I respond to Rob? Thanks, Liz.
________________________________________
Deb Cain
Executive Administrative Assistant to:
Elizabeth (Liz) T. Bradsher, Springfield District
Jim Raney, Member At Large
Patricia (Patty) S. Reed, Providence District
Fairfax County School Board Office
571.423.1070 (phone)
571.423.1067 (fax)
And regarding the survey above - WTH?!?! It was supposed to be open until 5pm!!!
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Cain, Debora L.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 4/16/2010 8:22:41 AM
Subject: Re: Voicemail message
Attachments:
I saw him last night, will call you after my morning vodka! :)
________________________________
From: Cain, Debora L.
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Cc: Cain, Debora L.
Sent: Fri Apr 16 08:15:11 2010
Subject: Voicemail message
Good morning, Liz:
Rob Jones has left me a message asking for a meeting with you. His message was as follows:
“I would like to reconnect with Liz from a scheduling standpoint; sent her an email and also very briefly spoke with her on Tuesday night, but would like to get some time to sit down and have a dedicated discussion with her for about an hour regarding the Clifton topic. Please contact me and let me know when some time might be available.â€
How should I respond to Rob? Thanks, Liz.
________________________________________
Deb Cain
Executive Administrative Assistant to:
Elizabeth (Liz) T. Bradsher, Springfield District
Jim Raney, Member At Large
Patricia (Patty) S. Reed, Providence District
Fairfax County School Board Office
571.423.1070 (phone)
571.423.1067 (fax)
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz the Ripper
()
Date: December 12, 2010 12:03AM
Is there anyone with basic decency left?
Attachments:
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Frustrated Parent
()
Date: December 12, 2010 01:10AM
Watching and reading the posts, I grow increasingly frustrated - who can tell the school boad that this is beyond absurd or crazy? Can they just say mea culpa and move on to saying they goofed?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I Can't Believe
()
Date: December 12, 2010 06:40AM
After all of these "leaks" of e-mails that Ms. Bradsher still has a job. She sounds like a complete and total witch - not to mention incompetent and unprofessional, too.
She should have been canned many months ago. Or, since her position is an elected one (I'm assuming), then she should have resigned or been encouraged to resign.
She should have been canned many months ago. Or, since her position is an elected one (I'm assuming), then she should have resigned or been encouraged to resign.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Resign please
()
Date: December 12, 2010 09:12AM
I wish Liz Bradsher would resign. It will never happen since she thinks she knows what is best for the kids in SC. If you read the emails it sounds like she needs to go AA.
FCPS looks so bad right now. I hate what they doing to all of us. What can we do to stop these clowns?
FCPS looks so bad right now. I hate what they doing to all of us. What can we do to stop these clowns?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz's Groupie
()
Date: December 12, 2010 10:37AM
reader Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> more Cassie:
> Southwestern Committee members urged the Annandale
> Committee to remember that the process involves
> everyone.
> "It has to be a big-picture process," said Cassie
> Eatmon of Virginia Run Elementary School in
> Centreville. "It can't be about just looking out
> for your own school. Leave your school at the
> door." Of course, Option D does leave Virginia Run
> untouched in the Southwest redistricting. So much
> for "leaving your school at the door." Or did
> Kathy cave to other political friends?
So this is the woman
Who is both an FCPS employee and PTA president.
Who advocated against the Clifton community for the planning study.
Who testified against Clifton at the public hearing.
Who did personal business (some kind of parties) for Liz's friends.
Who FCPS picked to advise the Annadale study.
Who the School Board picked to be on the facilities planning committee.
Who now got her own school to be untouched in the entire boundary process.
what was that Liz said = she doesn't play these games when the children are involved?
right.
-------------------------------------------------------
> more Cassie:
> Southwestern Committee members urged the Annandale
> Committee to remember that the process involves
> everyone.
> "It has to be a big-picture process," said Cassie
> Eatmon of Virginia Run Elementary School in
> Centreville. "It can't be about just looking out
> for your own school. Leave your school at the
> door." Of course, Option D does leave Virginia Run
> untouched in the Southwest redistricting. So much
> for "leaving your school at the door." Or did
> Kathy cave to other political friends?
So this is the woman
Who is both an FCPS employee and PTA president.
Who advocated against the Clifton community for the planning study.
Who testified against Clifton at the public hearing.
Who did personal business (some kind of parties) for Liz's friends.
Who FCPS picked to advise the Annadale study.
Who the School Board picked to be on the facilities planning committee.
Who now got her own school to be untouched in the entire boundary process.
what was that Liz said = she doesn't play these games when the children are involved?
right.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Beyond evil and tacky/tasteless
()
Date: December 12, 2010 10:50AM
It's appalling that Liz Bradsher considers herself an advocate for education when she makes so many repugnant comments and political maneuvers. The comment about the student-built house was in very poor taste.
Vulgar-Liz Bradsher.
Vulgar-Liz Bradsher.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Revolted
()
Date: December 12, 2010 11:17AM
Liz's Groupie Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> reader Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > more Cassie:
> > Southwestern Committee members urged the
> Annandale
> > Committee to remember that the process involves
> > everyone.
> > "It has to be a big-picture process," said
> Cassie
> > Eatmon of Virginia Run Elementary School in
> > Centreville. "It can't be about just looking
> out
> > for your own school. Leave your school at the
> > door." Of course, Option D does leave Virginia
> Run
> > untouched in the Southwest redistricting. So
> much
> > for "leaving your school at the door." Or did
> > Kathy cave to other political friends?
>
> So this is the woman
> Who is both an FCPS employee and PTA president.
> Who advocated against the Clifton community for
> the planning study.
> Who testified against Clifton at the public
> hearing.
> Who did personal business (some kind of parties)
> for Liz's friends.
> Who FCPS picked to advise the Annadale study.
> Who the School Board picked to be on the
> facilities planning committee.
> Who now got her own school to be untouched in the
> entire boundary process.
>
> what was that Liz said = she doesn't play these
> games when the children are involved?
> right.
Both Liz Bradsher and her cronies know what they've been up to is wrong. That's probably why they lie - and, apparently, drink - so much. They want to cover up their tracks one way or the other.
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> reader Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > more Cassie:
> > Southwestern Committee members urged the
> Annandale
> > Committee to remember that the process involves
> > everyone.
> > "It has to be a big-picture process," said
> Cassie
> > Eatmon of Virginia Run Elementary School in
> > Centreville. "It can't be about just looking
> out
> > for your own school. Leave your school at the
> > door." Of course, Option D does leave Virginia
> Run
> > untouched in the Southwest redistricting. So
> much
> > for "leaving your school at the door." Or did
> > Kathy cave to other political friends?
>
> So this is the woman
> Who is both an FCPS employee and PTA president.
> Who advocated against the Clifton community for
> the planning study.
> Who testified against Clifton at the public
> hearing.
> Who did personal business (some kind of parties)
> for Liz's friends.
> Who FCPS picked to advise the Annadale study.
> Who the School Board picked to be on the
> facilities planning committee.
> Who now got her own school to be untouched in the
> entire boundary process.
>
> what was that Liz said = she doesn't play these
> games when the children are involved?
> right.
Both Liz Bradsher and her cronies know what they've been up to is wrong. That's probably why they lie - and, apparently, drink - so much. They want to cover up their tracks one way or the other.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
See Epic Fail
()
Date: December 12, 2010 12:39PM
They were told a long time ago how to simply, cheaply and reliably fix any water problem.
So not doing this was deliberate.
They ***intentionally*** did not do the easy, affordable and established recommendation from the VA Dept of Health.
Attachments:
So not doing this was deliberate.
They ***intentionally*** did not do the easy, affordable and established recommendation from the VA Dept of Health.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: December 12, 2010 08:34PM
So, way back in June Liz is trying to ensure enough votes to close CES, all the while lying to Clifton, and WSHS. 'this is such a difficult decision'. Yeah right, Liz. Do everyone a favor, resign now. You are an embarrasment.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Tistadt, Dean
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/16/2010 3:47:02 PM
Subject: Re: SOAR Leadership - WSHS
Attachments:
Yes, after speaking with you I saw the message/email was dated. Patty will vote to close; #7. But she may not be here for vote. She understands what it now means to Oakton for timing.
I told her implications to CIP funding will be articulated.
Liz
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jun 16 15:05:46 2010
Subject: RE: SOAR Leadership - WSHS
I am glad you are reaching out. I think you need to be careful with your message to ensure you now disconnect the Clifton decision from a new school on the Liberty site decision. You have continued the connection in your message (last paragraph).
Dean
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:51 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject: FW: SOAR Leadership - WSHS
This is what I sent last night. They get it now and word is spreading.
I like the clean approach of dealing with just Clifton at this moment.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:49 PM
To: Wardinski, Paul A.; 'Hawkins, Erik'; Leslie Carlin; Erik & Mary Hawkins; Christine Morin; Lorey Goerlinger; Lynn Smith; Monique Craft; Nancy Knickerbocker; Paul Liberty; Rob Robertory; Chadwell, Laura G
Cc: Christian Deschauer; Cain, Debora L.
Subject: RE: SOAR Leadership - WSHS
Dear SOAR Members,
I have been working on an issue which some of you may be aware of and that is the Clifton Elementary School issue. It is a difficult and an emotional issue for both Clifton residents and admittedly me. The following is an example of an email I just sent to a Clifton resident, I believe you should be made aware of what I am saying in my correspondence to Clifton residents, please refer to the highlighted areas:
Dear Sarah,
I appreciate your email and understand what your elementary school means to your community.
Many times we all want the good things we had for our children. Most parents try to give their children such things and many try to improve on the past if at all possible. The Clifton issue is a complex issue. The school needs a renovation. It needs a new roof and HVAC system, it does not have enough space for parking, only one out of three wells work and the one that does work does so sporadically, it does not meet current educational specifications, it does not meet county code for a fire suppression system, the site presents constraints for renovation, etc. One of the real issues for me, since you stated “NO ONE has been able to give us a credible explanation†is that the renovation for this school exceeds the cost of building a new school and for that reason I am concerned.
To date I have many needs in the Springfield District which require capital dollars; it is most difficult for me to reason spending scarce capital funds to renovate a school projected to have less than 300 students in 3-4 years. Schools wait for years to be renovated. One in particular, West Springfield High School, was admittedly left off the renovation schedule by our system in error. This school will be over capacity by several hundred students in 3-4 years and is over capacity now. The school is used 24-7 for county uses and for school uses, it is in great need of renovation.
I cannot commit to an answer at this time regarding Clifton because I am listening to all the communities impacted by this decision, that includes the West Springfield High School community, Greenbriar East and West, Sangster, Silverbrook, Union Mill, Willow Springs, etc. All of these communities will be impacted because this is not just a decision about Clifton students it is all an issue about capital dollars and need.
I grew up in this county and we may agree to differ on this but I would not want my child in the same classroom I had as a child. Classrooms today offer so much more to children. I understand if you do not agree with this, however the question I am dealing with is do I spend money to renovate a school that is declining in population with an impending renovation that exceeds the cost of a new school or do I offer a brand new school for residents that meets all educational specifications to a great number of Clifton students, resolves capacity needs and saves money for other district capital needs? My decision is difficult because I know the Clifton community has strong emotional ties to attend Clifton, even if it remains the same without a renovation.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
This vote will take place on July 8. I realize the WSHS Community has worked positively and professionally for the past 2.5 years on the behalf of the community to get WSHS renovated. Your issue is one of dire need, at least in my mind. Currently your bonding begins in 2013, if we decided to close Clifton your bonding could be moved to 2011. I wanted you all to know what this vote means and the issues that surround it. If we renovate Clifton and add additions to existing schools it will cost more than a new building and minor additions to existing schools to resolve over capacity situations. If we do nothing to Clifton we will still be spending excess dollars due to the need for many elementary additions needed along the Rt. 29 corridor and elsewhere.
Clifton is lovely community with passionate parents. They too have a school need and I know you do too as well.
Liz Bradsher
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Tistadt, Dean
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/16/2010 3:47:02 PM
Subject: Re: SOAR Leadership - WSHS
Attachments:
Yes, after speaking with you I saw the message/email was dated. Patty will vote to close; #7. But she may not be here for vote. She understands what it now means to Oakton for timing.
I told her implications to CIP funding will be articulated.
Liz
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jun 16 15:05:46 2010
Subject: RE: SOAR Leadership - WSHS
I am glad you are reaching out. I think you need to be careful with your message to ensure you now disconnect the Clifton decision from a new school on the Liberty site decision. You have continued the connection in your message (last paragraph).
Dean
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:51 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject: FW: SOAR Leadership - WSHS
This is what I sent last night. They get it now and word is spreading.
I like the clean approach of dealing with just Clifton at this moment.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:49 PM
To: Wardinski, Paul A.; 'Hawkins, Erik'; Leslie Carlin; Erik & Mary Hawkins; Christine Morin; Lorey Goerlinger; Lynn Smith; Monique Craft; Nancy Knickerbocker; Paul Liberty; Rob Robertory; Chadwell, Laura G
Cc: Christian Deschauer; Cain, Debora L.
Subject: RE: SOAR Leadership - WSHS
Dear SOAR Members,
I have been working on an issue which some of you may be aware of and that is the Clifton Elementary School issue. It is a difficult and an emotional issue for both Clifton residents and admittedly me. The following is an example of an email I just sent to a Clifton resident, I believe you should be made aware of what I am saying in my correspondence to Clifton residents, please refer to the highlighted areas:
Dear Sarah,
I appreciate your email and understand what your elementary school means to your community.
Many times we all want the good things we had for our children. Most parents try to give their children such things and many try to improve on the past if at all possible. The Clifton issue is a complex issue. The school needs a renovation. It needs a new roof and HVAC system, it does not have enough space for parking, only one out of three wells work and the one that does work does so sporadically, it does not meet current educational specifications, it does not meet county code for a fire suppression system, the site presents constraints for renovation, etc. One of the real issues for me, since you stated “NO ONE has been able to give us a credible explanation†is that the renovation for this school exceeds the cost of building a new school and for that reason I am concerned.
To date I have many needs in the Springfield District which require capital dollars; it is most difficult for me to reason spending scarce capital funds to renovate a school projected to have less than 300 students in 3-4 years. Schools wait for years to be renovated. One in particular, West Springfield High School, was admittedly left off the renovation schedule by our system in error. This school will be over capacity by several hundred students in 3-4 years and is over capacity now. The school is used 24-7 for county uses and for school uses, it is in great need of renovation.
I cannot commit to an answer at this time regarding Clifton because I am listening to all the communities impacted by this decision, that includes the West Springfield High School community, Greenbriar East and West, Sangster, Silverbrook, Union Mill, Willow Springs, etc. All of these communities will be impacted because this is not just a decision about Clifton students it is all an issue about capital dollars and need.
I grew up in this county and we may agree to differ on this but I would not want my child in the same classroom I had as a child. Classrooms today offer so much more to children. I understand if you do not agree with this, however the question I am dealing with is do I spend money to renovate a school that is declining in population with an impending renovation that exceeds the cost of a new school or do I offer a brand new school for residents that meets all educational specifications to a great number of Clifton students, resolves capacity needs and saves money for other district capital needs? My decision is difficult because I know the Clifton community has strong emotional ties to attend Clifton, even if it remains the same without a renovation.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
This vote will take place on July 8. I realize the WSHS Community has worked positively and professionally for the past 2.5 years on the behalf of the community to get WSHS renovated. Your issue is one of dire need, at least in my mind. Currently your bonding begins in 2013, if we decided to close Clifton your bonding could be moved to 2011. I wanted you all to know what this vote means and the issues that surround it. If we renovate Clifton and add additions to existing schools it will cost more than a new building and minor additions to existing schools to resolve over capacity situations. If we do nothing to Clifton we will still be spending excess dollars due to the need for many elementary additions needed along the Rt. 29 corridor and elsewhere.
Clifton is lovely community with passionate parents. They too have a school need and I know you do too as well.
Liz Bradsher
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Molly Corbin
()
Date: December 13, 2010 12:19AM
Reading these, can't believe any decency remains in FCPS, top down - even those of us not directly affected by the boundary changes or school closure.
Managing negative PR starting last summer was the concern of Dale, Bradsher and Noonan? Is FCPS a PR firm or are they educators?
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Managing negative PR starting last summer was the concern of Dale, Bradsher and Noonan? Is FCPS a PR firm or are they educators?
_________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
GoGo
()
Date: December 13, 2010 08:24AM
I think that the school board is telling the teachers this so that they don't leave and take new jobs, while the board is really doing all it can to shutter the school. The school board and facilities office have lost all credibility, why believe anything they say?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
GoGo
()
Date: December 13, 2010 08:27AM
Sorry, last post was in response to a previous entry:
Teachers at Clifton were told the school MAY remain open for one more year till they figure out where all the Clifton kids are going to go. What a hot mess for everyone.
Teachers at Clifton were told the school MAY remain open for one more year till they figure out where all the Clifton kids are going to go. What a hot mess for everyone.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
How to get Liz to resign
()
Date: December 13, 2010 11:41AM
How can we get the South county bitch (Liz B.) to resign? Or at least help herself and go to AA.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Tistadt is the key
()
Date: December 13, 2010 11:53AM
Look, Tistadt is the epicenter of this crisis.
Why does he want Clifton closed?
We know that all of the reasons he gave during the study and deliberations are all bunk. So what is the REAL reason?
Do we have all of his emails to people about Clifton? Outsiders inquiring about the property? Charter schools? VRE?
Let's go folks-what are you waiting for?
Why does he want Clifton closed?
We know that all of the reasons he gave during the study and deliberations are all bunk. So what is the REAL reason?
Do we have all of his emails to people about Clifton? Outsiders inquiring about the property? Charter schools? VRE?
Let's go folks-what are you waiting for?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Everyone call Tistadt
()
Date: December 13, 2010 12:02PM
I did hear something about a VRE lot where the school site is but the Clifton train station does not have room for a platform. It would be sad if this was over money for a paid commuter lot. FCPC are so fucked right now you cannot get an honest answer from anyone.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Which Liz?
()
Date: December 13, 2010 05:34PM
Which Liz do you believe? July 2009 or July 2010?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz Bradsher needs to go!
()
Date: December 13, 2010 08:06PM
Who can go over her on the SB so we can get her fired for being so stupid? These emails should be sent to someone who is in charge. Maybe the state education department?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Get Over It
()
Date: December 14, 2010 12:41PM
The issue has been decided. The school (Clifton Elementary) is going to be closed by FCPS. Get over it! Life isn't fair and sometimes it is hard to swallow. A public education is just that, a PUBLIC education. If you find such fault with the public school system, send your children to private school (if you have any children). If you don't have any children and just enjoy ranting about the system, go away! You help no one! There is absolutely NO reason to continue with the whining, name calling, and finger pointing! Look to the future and determine what can be done with the site (charter school, adult ed center, etc). Continuing the hate does no one any good, particularly those in Clifton who seek to persuade and/or change opinions.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hoka-hey
()
Date: December 14, 2010 12:58PM
@ Get over it:
That's what Pelosi and the President thought with Healthcare.
Unfortunately, the school board has no constitution that binds it, so they can cut as many dirty deals as they can pack into their tenure.
We shall see how many of them are re-elected, and their follow on actions. The choices that they have laid out in their study are at times almost ad-hoc in their method. They are worth protesting as they are impacting the whole of the SW portion of the county.
Of course we could roll over as you suggest, but if Virginians had taken your attitude through history, we'd still be singing "God Save The Queen"
CHeers,
That's what Pelosi and the President thought with Healthcare.
Unfortunately, the school board has no constitution that binds it, so they can cut as many dirty deals as they can pack into their tenure.
We shall see how many of them are re-elected, and their follow on actions. The choices that they have laid out in their study are at times almost ad-hoc in their method. They are worth protesting as they are impacting the whole of the SW portion of the county.
Of course we could roll over as you suggest, but if Virginians had taken your attitude through history, we'd still be singing "God Save The Queen"
CHeers,
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Get Over It is Bradsher's uluva
()
Date: December 14, 2010 01:14PM
@ Get Over It
Then let me keep my tax money that goes to the PUBLIC schools or provide me with a voucher so I can send my kid to whatever school I want. Once you start arbitrarily closing schools for political gain, you have wrecked the neighborhood school concept and can no longer be trusted to do the right thing. Since you are obviously a commie liberal, you want to dumb all our kids down to the ESL factories like BRES and Centre Ridge. No thanks comrade. Now get your lips off Liz's pimply behind and go buy some more Kwanzaa candles.
Then let me keep my tax money that goes to the PUBLIC schools or provide me with a voucher so I can send my kid to whatever school I want. Once you start arbitrarily closing schools for political gain, you have wrecked the neighborhood school concept and can no longer be trusted to do the right thing. Since you are obviously a commie liberal, you want to dumb all our kids down to the ESL factories like BRES and Centre Ridge. No thanks comrade. Now get your lips off Liz's pimply behind and go buy some more Kwanzaa candles.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bees with honey
()
Date: December 14, 2010 01:41PM
Nice thoughts all.
Just remember that it is human nature that you get more bees with honey than you do vinegar. So nice ofr everyone to udnerstand this basic concept in human nature!
Try and find a solution which provides an adequate use for the facility and get over the fact that the school is closing!
By the way, I am not at all against issuing vouchers for those that want to send their children to private school. Go ahead. The less of you that are in the public school system the better for the whole system since it appears most who vent here obviously have no interest in looking out for the good of the whole but only desire to maintain what most self serves them.
Just remember that it is human nature that you get more bees with honey than you do vinegar. So nice ofr everyone to udnerstand this basic concept in human nature!
Try and find a solution which provides an adequate use for the facility and get over the fact that the school is closing!
By the way, I am not at all against issuing vouchers for those that want to send their children to private school. Go ahead. The less of you that are in the public school system the better for the whole system since it appears most who vent here obviously have no interest in looking out for the good of the whole but only desire to maintain what most self serves them.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bees with honey?
()
Date: December 14, 2010 02:01PM
I would love for the SB to use the "bees with honey" to all the parents and kids getting screwed over. And I am not just talking about the kids at Clifton or those that have money. I mean all of south county.
PS So those that work hard and have money should all send their kids to private school? Go fuck yourself.
PS So those that work hard and have money should all send their kids to private school? Go fuck yourself.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: December 14, 2010 03:31PM
Riddle me this.....because Clifton Elementary will close at the end of this school year based on the latest "plan" from FCPS, the 3 surrounding schools should "take one for the team" by now allowing their facilities to be overcrowded and move their children to "temporary" classrooms (AKA trailers).
@ Get over it, logically does it make sense to you to move children from functioning brick and mortar facilities to aluminum on wheels? How about we shutter your home and put you in an aluminum hut without water and minimal heat for a few months and see how that works out. Perhaps now you understand the perspective of many parents from Fairview, Union Mill, Sangster and Clifton (note it's not just Clifton).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/14/2010 03:41PM by Justataxpayer.
@ Get over it, logically does it make sense to you to move children from functioning brick and mortar facilities to aluminum on wheels? How about we shutter your home and put you in an aluminum hut without water and minimal heat for a few months and see how that works out. Perhaps now you understand the perspective of many parents from Fairview, Union Mill, Sangster and Clifton (note it's not just Clifton).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/14/2010 03:41PM by Justataxpayer.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
sayin
()
Date: December 14, 2010 04:55PM
Those aluminum huts without water and separate heat are real fun on a windy day like today. Lots of education happens. They are also real secure (I don't even have to talk about what that means).
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: December 14, 2010 06:00PM
Liz is not just nasty to parents, she's rude to other board members too! I really don't know how they tolerate her. Thank goodness Tessie is leaving too.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 5:43 PM
To: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Falls Church News Press article on sports fees
I will send you some of the scuttle butt going on. Clifton and those who don't want a school at the Liberty sight are being difficult and I think Andrew may be giving this group too much latitude.
Will send it. BTW I lost a crown on my tooth and need to be at the dentist early AM Monday can you begin the CPDC meeting and discussion? I will call Deb and Denise too. If you can't don't worry about it I can work it out and leave afterwards.
Liz
________________________________
From: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Sat May 08 17:38:24 2010
Subject: RE: Falls Church News Press article on sports fees
Good for you! And you are right – that is what we need to remember – and we need to remember that if we spend all or even some of the reserve for this budget – we may have to go a third year with no raises!
Any final work from Andrew and Kelley? I see they sent another DRAFT of the power point? Any word on the report?
Tessie Wilson
Vice Chairman
School Board Member
Braddock District
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 5:37 PM
To: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Falls Church News Press article on sports fees
Thanks. I am not responding. Had a great talk with Susan Quinn. We really can't expect to reduce anything unless the BOS releases money due to need. We need to remember in all the potential deliberations brought up by certain members that omce again we are NOT paying employees!!!!!!!
________________________________
From: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Sat May 08 17:05:46 2010
Subject: FW: Falls Church News Press article on sports fees
CALM DOWN! JUST IGNORE IT!
Tessie Wilson
Vice Chairman
School Board Member
Braddock District
_____________________________________________
From: Evans, Sandy (School Board Member)
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 5:03 PM
To: School Board Members
Cc: Dale, Jack; Moniuszko, Richard A..; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Goddard, Pam
Subject: Falls Church News Press article on sports fees
Dear Colleagues,
I wanted to bring your attention to the piece in the Falls Church News-Press about Stuart HS coaches’ concerns about the proposed $100 athletics fees:
http://www.fcnp.com/sports/6452-public-meeting-set-for-may-11.html http://www.fcnp.com/sports/6452-public-meeting-set-for-may-11.html
They speak very eloquently about how they see it affecting their school. And yes, they do know about the waiver provisions. Nonetheless they say:
“The “pay to play†policy “would devastate my program and many of the programs here at Stuart,†said Jennings, also a geometry teacher at the school. “It would absolutely devastate this school. Our programs would just die.â€
The controversial proposal “terrifies us,†Jennings said. “For my students, $100 is what they might spend a week to eat. I have kids come to me who haven’t eaten all day, because they don’t have the money. A lot of these girls have to miss practices because they have to work to support their families.â€
I hope we can find a way to eliminate both the sports fees and the AP/IB testing fees and will be working on that this week.
In this regard, I found it unfortunate that The Bottom Line included the statement that “the budget remains very stringent, with new fees for athletes and AP and IB tests….†without a strong caveat that everything remains up for discussion and reconsideration by the Board. I’m hearing today that some people read that as telling them it’s a “done deal†on the fees and not to bother to come testify. It’s not enough to tell people we welcome their comments if we simultaneously make them believe those comments can make no difference.
Respectfully,
Sandy
Sandy Evans
Mason District Member
Fairfax County School Board
Voice Mail: 571-423-1083
Andrea Shimer, Administrative Assistant
Phone: 571-423-1069
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 5:43 PM
To: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Falls Church News Press article on sports fees
I will send you some of the scuttle butt going on. Clifton and those who don't want a school at the Liberty sight are being difficult and I think Andrew may be giving this group too much latitude.
Will send it. BTW I lost a crown on my tooth and need to be at the dentist early AM Monday can you begin the CPDC meeting and discussion? I will call Deb and Denise too. If you can't don't worry about it I can work it out and leave afterwards.
Liz
________________________________
From: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Sat May 08 17:38:24 2010
Subject: RE: Falls Church News Press article on sports fees
Good for you! And you are right – that is what we need to remember – and we need to remember that if we spend all or even some of the reserve for this budget – we may have to go a third year with no raises!
Any final work from Andrew and Kelley? I see they sent another DRAFT of the power point? Any word on the report?
Tessie Wilson
Vice Chairman
School Board Member
Braddock District
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 5:37 PM
To: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Falls Church News Press article on sports fees
Thanks. I am not responding. Had a great talk with Susan Quinn. We really can't expect to reduce anything unless the BOS releases money due to need. We need to remember in all the potential deliberations brought up by certain members that omce again we are NOT paying employees!!!!!!!
________________________________
From: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Sat May 08 17:05:46 2010
Subject: FW: Falls Church News Press article on sports fees
CALM DOWN! JUST IGNORE IT!
Tessie Wilson
Vice Chairman
School Board Member
Braddock District
_____________________________________________
From: Evans, Sandy (School Board Member)
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 5:03 PM
To: School Board Members
Cc: Dale, Jack; Moniuszko, Richard A..; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Goddard, Pam
Subject: Falls Church News Press article on sports fees
Dear Colleagues,
I wanted to bring your attention to the piece in the Falls Church News-Press about Stuart HS coaches’ concerns about the proposed $100 athletics fees:
http://www.fcnp.com/sports/6452-public-meeting-set-for-may-11.html http://www.fcnp.com/sports/6452-public-meeting-set-for-may-11.html
They speak very eloquently about how they see it affecting their school. And yes, they do know about the waiver provisions. Nonetheless they say:
“The “pay to play†policy “would devastate my program and many of the programs here at Stuart,†said Jennings, also a geometry teacher at the school. “It would absolutely devastate this school. Our programs would just die.â€
The controversial proposal “terrifies us,†Jennings said. “For my students, $100 is what they might spend a week to eat. I have kids come to me who haven’t eaten all day, because they don’t have the money. A lot of these girls have to miss practices because they have to work to support their families.â€
I hope we can find a way to eliminate both the sports fees and the AP/IB testing fees and will be working on that this week.
In this regard, I found it unfortunate that The Bottom Line included the statement that “the budget remains very stringent, with new fees for athletes and AP and IB tests….†without a strong caveat that everything remains up for discussion and reconsideration by the Board. I’m hearing today that some people read that as telling them it’s a “done deal†on the fees and not to bother to come testify. It’s not enough to tell people we welcome their comments if we simultaneously make them believe those comments can make no difference.
Respectfully,
Sandy
Sandy Evans
Mason District Member
Fairfax County School Board
Voice Mail: 571-423-1083
Andrea Shimer, Administrative Assistant
Phone: 571-423-1069
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Get over it too
()
Date: December 15, 2010 08:50AM
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never harm me!
I really see no point in continuing the discussion here. Seems that most are not interested in looking for the good of the whole but ONLY out for what is happening in their own backyard. While I do not believe that vouchers are the answer, I see no reason why they couldn't be provided for all these disgruntled parents who are fed up with FCPS so they can micromanage the private schools that their children will be attending. Clearly, it is apparent that most who write here have NO interest in what is happening in the rest of the county and ONLY concern themselves with what is going on in their backyard. I'm certain that the kids will get a fine education regardless as the parents do indeed appear to be vested regardless of whether the kids are going to public or private school.
CES clearly is a special school. Too bad it does not conform to the school model (whatever that is). As for trailers that have no water, I think no water is better than contaminated well water? Besides, perhaps you should consider that the nubmers relating to the overcrowding at the three new schools as it pertains to capacity does NOT include any trailer nubmers in it. Trailers are not permanent structure and thus DO NOT get included in capacity nubmers.
Perhaps again you should consider useage of your blessed CES building for other community purposes and move on. Besides, the new schools can now ask for updating and perhaps there is a real need for this given your suggestion that they are overcrowded.
And don't worry, All the CES kids were headed to Robinson after elementary school which is one of the largest high schools in the county. I suggest that while a good education may be had with a small school and small classroom sizes, that when the kids transition to 7th grade to this huge school, perhaps they would ahve some issues coping. Being moved to a larger elementary school might really lessen the shock and ease the transition.
And feel free to "go off". Remember that sticks and stones....just know that what Honey with bees suggested is true....you get more bees with honey than vinegar!
I really see no point in continuing the discussion here. Seems that most are not interested in looking for the good of the whole but ONLY out for what is happening in their own backyard. While I do not believe that vouchers are the answer, I see no reason why they couldn't be provided for all these disgruntled parents who are fed up with FCPS so they can micromanage the private schools that their children will be attending. Clearly, it is apparent that most who write here have NO interest in what is happening in the rest of the county and ONLY concern themselves with what is going on in their backyard. I'm certain that the kids will get a fine education regardless as the parents do indeed appear to be vested regardless of whether the kids are going to public or private school.
CES clearly is a special school. Too bad it does not conform to the school model (whatever that is). As for trailers that have no water, I think no water is better than contaminated well water? Besides, perhaps you should consider that the nubmers relating to the overcrowding at the three new schools as it pertains to capacity does NOT include any trailer nubmers in it. Trailers are not permanent structure and thus DO NOT get included in capacity nubmers.
Perhaps again you should consider useage of your blessed CES building for other community purposes and move on. Besides, the new schools can now ask for updating and perhaps there is a real need for this given your suggestion that they are overcrowded.
And don't worry, All the CES kids were headed to Robinson after elementary school which is one of the largest high schools in the county. I suggest that while a good education may be had with a small school and small classroom sizes, that when the kids transition to 7th grade to this huge school, perhaps they would ahve some issues coping. Being moved to a larger elementary school might really lessen the shock and ease the transition.
And feel free to "go off". Remember that sticks and stones....just know that what Honey with bees suggested is true....you get more bees with honey than vinegar!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
spell
()
Date: December 15, 2010 09:12AM
it's numbers, not nubmers, unless you have a bad cold. Usually don't comment about spellling, but this wasn't a typo, you spelled it incorrectly 3 times!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Voice of Treason
()
Date: December 15, 2010 09:32AM
Get over it too Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words
> will never harm me!
>
> I really see no point in continuing the discussion
> here. Seems that most are not interested in
> looking for the good of the whole but ONLY out for
> what is happening in their own backyard. While I
> do not believe that vouchers are the answer, I see
> no reason why they couldn't be provided for all
> these disgruntled parents who are fed up with FCPS
> so they can micromanage the private schools that
> their children will be attending. Clearly, it is
> apparent that most who write here have NO interest
> in what is happening in the rest of the county and
> ONLY concern themselves with what is going on in
> their backyard. I'm certain that the kids will get
> a fine education regardless as the parents do
> indeed appear to be vested regardless of whether
> the kids are going to public or private school.
>
> CES clearly is a special school. Too bad it does
> not conform to the school model (whatever that
> is). As for trailers that have no water, I think
> no water is better than contaminated well water?
> Besides, perhaps you should consider that the
> nubmers relating to the overcrowding at the three
> new schools as it pertains to capacity does NOT
> include any trailer nubmers in it. Trailers are
> not permanent structure and thus DO NOT get
> included in capacity nubmers.
>
> Perhaps again you should consider useage of your
> blessed CES building for other community purposes
> and move on. Besides, the new schools can now ask
> for updating and perhaps there is a real need for
> this given your suggestion that they are
> overcrowded.
>
> And don't worry, All the CES kids were headed to
> Robinson after elementary school which is one of
> the largest high schools in the county. I suggest
> that while a good education may be had with a
> small school and small classroom sizes, that when
> the kids transition to 7th grade to this huge
> school, perhaps they would ahve some issues
> coping. Being moved to a larger elementary school
> might really lessen the shock and ease the
> transition.
>
> And feel free to "go off". Remember that sticks
> and stones....just know that what Honey with bees
> suggested is true....you get more bees with honey
> than vinegar!
So very reassuring...let's not rock the boat...please, can't we all get along....at the end of the day, we're all in this together.
I call BS. Liz Bradsher and her friends have created a giant mess, and they deserve every bit of the criticisms now being hurled their way. Her e-mails are an outrage, and she should never hold political office again.
NO MORE LIZ BRADSHERS IN PUBLIC OFFICE!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words
> will never harm me!
>
> I really see no point in continuing the discussion
> here. Seems that most are not interested in
> looking for the good of the whole but ONLY out for
> what is happening in their own backyard. While I
> do not believe that vouchers are the answer, I see
> no reason why they couldn't be provided for all
> these disgruntled parents who are fed up with FCPS
> so they can micromanage the private schools that
> their children will be attending. Clearly, it is
> apparent that most who write here have NO interest
> in what is happening in the rest of the county and
> ONLY concern themselves with what is going on in
> their backyard. I'm certain that the kids will get
> a fine education regardless as the parents do
> indeed appear to be vested regardless of whether
> the kids are going to public or private school.
>
> CES clearly is a special school. Too bad it does
> not conform to the school model (whatever that
> is). As for trailers that have no water, I think
> no water is better than contaminated well water?
> Besides, perhaps you should consider that the
> nubmers relating to the overcrowding at the three
> new schools as it pertains to capacity does NOT
> include any trailer nubmers in it. Trailers are
> not permanent structure and thus DO NOT get
> included in capacity nubmers.
>
> Perhaps again you should consider useage of your
> blessed CES building for other community purposes
> and move on. Besides, the new schools can now ask
> for updating and perhaps there is a real need for
> this given your suggestion that they are
> overcrowded.
>
> And don't worry, All the CES kids were headed to
> Robinson after elementary school which is one of
> the largest high schools in the county. I suggest
> that while a good education may be had with a
> small school and small classroom sizes, that when
> the kids transition to 7th grade to this huge
> school, perhaps they would ahve some issues
> coping. Being moved to a larger elementary school
> might really lessen the shock and ease the
> transition.
>
> And feel free to "go off". Remember that sticks
> and stones....just know that what Honey with bees
> suggested is true....you get more bees with honey
> than vinegar!
So very reassuring...let's not rock the boat...please, can't we all get along....at the end of the day, we're all in this together.
I call BS. Liz Bradsher and her friends have created a giant mess, and they deserve every bit of the criticisms now being hurled their way. Her e-mails are an outrage, and she should never hold political office again.
NO MORE LIZ BRADSHERS IN PUBLIC OFFICE!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
nubmers
()
Date: December 15, 2010 09:35AM
Must have had numb hands when typing from the exterior chill!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
tossing cow pies
()
Date: December 15, 2010 10:05AM
Hurling criticism perhaps makes one feel better, but two wrongs don't make a right. While it is certainly our civic duty to vote and elect officials who serve us best, hurling cow pies and ventign your rage will not reopen CES. I think those who do this are wasting their time and energy! Best thing that can be done now is try and work with the system we have and find an equitable solution. As much as it is hard to swallow, slinging the cow pies resolves nothing other than makes one look a bit immature (like a teenager not getting their way). Move on!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
not anonymous
()
Date: December 15, 2010 10:15AM
Emily and Cassie-
Thanks for contributing.
As far as the bees and honey garbage, nobody should have to kiss anyone's A** in government to get what is rightfully theirs.
I am sure the SOCO crew are oh so proud of themselves for getting their middle school. Good for f-ing you. But guess what, greedy ones? Your selfishness hurts lots of communities. Your school-which is not needed-STOLE $60 million from our cash-starved CIP. So 5 0r 6 elementary schools now wait for their renovations so you can have your school.
You should be so proud.
Of the people, By the people and For the people, BABY. This Government belongs to us. And I for one will NEVER suck up to some politician to satisfy some selfich want. I will, however, always shine a spotlight on these misfits when they screw up.
Closing Clifton was a huge mistake. It has created chaos in an area already dealing with overcrowding. It made the situation worse not better. And it didn't save a penny.
Thanks for contributing.
As far as the bees and honey garbage, nobody should have to kiss anyone's A** in government to get what is rightfully theirs.
I am sure the SOCO crew are oh so proud of themselves for getting their middle school. Good for f-ing you. But guess what, greedy ones? Your selfishness hurts lots of communities. Your school-which is not needed-STOLE $60 million from our cash-starved CIP. So 5 0r 6 elementary schools now wait for their renovations so you can have your school.
You should be so proud.
Of the people, By the people and For the people, BABY. This Government belongs to us. And I for one will NEVER suck up to some politician to satisfy some selfich want. I will, however, always shine a spotlight on these misfits when they screw up.
Closing Clifton was a huge mistake. It has created chaos in an area already dealing with overcrowding. It made the situation worse not better. And it didn't save a penny.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
spell
()
Date: December 15, 2010 10:18AM
This is Fairfax Underground, not a PTA meeting. If you can't take the heat, go back to bragging on your Facebook page like every other PTA mom in this county!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Clifton Parent
()
Date: December 15, 2010 11:54AM
Get over it too Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words
> will never harm me!
>
> I really see no point in continuing the discussion
> here. Seems that most are not interested in
> looking for the good of the whole but ONLY out for
> what is happening in their own backyard. While I
> do not believe that vouchers are the answer, I see
> no reason why they couldn't be provided for all
> these disgruntled parents who are fed up with FCPS
> so they can micromanage the private schools that
> their children will be attending. Clearly, it is
> apparent that most who write here have NO interest
> in what is happening in the rest of the county and
> ONLY concern themselves with what is going on in
> their backyard. I'm certain that the kids will get
> a fine education regardless as the parents do
> indeed appear to be vested regardless of whether
> the kids are going to public or private school.
>
> CES clearly is a special school. Too bad it does
> not conform to the school model (whatever that
> is). As for trailers that have no water, I think
> no water is better than contaminated well water?
> Besides, perhaps you should consider that the
> nubmers relating to the overcrowding at the three
> new schools as it pertains to capacity does NOT
> include any trailer nubmers in it. Trailers are
> not permanent structure and thus DO NOT get
> included in capacity nubmers.
>
> Perhaps again you should consider useage of your
> blessed CES building for other community purposes
> and move on. Besides, the new schools can now ask
> for updating and perhaps there is a real need for
> this given your suggestion that they are
> overcrowded.
>
> And don't worry, All the CES kids were headed to
> Robinson after elementary school which is one of
> the largest high schools in the county. I suggest
> that while a good education may be had with a
> small school and small classroom sizes, that when
> the kids transition to 7th grade to this huge
> school, perhaps they would ahve some issues
> coping. Being moved to a larger elementary school
> might really lessen the shock and ease the
> transition.
>
> And feel free to "go off". Remember that sticks
> and stones....just know that what Honey with bees
> suggested is true....you get more bees with honey
> than vinegar!
Great points. Even though you're correct that most here are not interested in civil discourse, I hope you continue posting.
I think closing CES, while disruptive and a major change, will ultimately be good for our kids, and will assist in their growth and education!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words
> will never harm me!
>
> I really see no point in continuing the discussion
> here. Seems that most are not interested in
> looking for the good of the whole but ONLY out for
> what is happening in their own backyard. While I
> do not believe that vouchers are the answer, I see
> no reason why they couldn't be provided for all
> these disgruntled parents who are fed up with FCPS
> so they can micromanage the private schools that
> their children will be attending. Clearly, it is
> apparent that most who write here have NO interest
> in what is happening in the rest of the county and
> ONLY concern themselves with what is going on in
> their backyard. I'm certain that the kids will get
> a fine education regardless as the parents do
> indeed appear to be vested regardless of whether
> the kids are going to public or private school.
>
> CES clearly is a special school. Too bad it does
> not conform to the school model (whatever that
> is). As for trailers that have no water, I think
> no water is better than contaminated well water?
> Besides, perhaps you should consider that the
> nubmers relating to the overcrowding at the three
> new schools as it pertains to capacity does NOT
> include any trailer nubmers in it. Trailers are
> not permanent structure and thus DO NOT get
> included in capacity nubmers.
>
> Perhaps again you should consider useage of your
> blessed CES building for other community purposes
> and move on. Besides, the new schools can now ask
> for updating and perhaps there is a real need for
> this given your suggestion that they are
> overcrowded.
>
> And don't worry, All the CES kids were headed to
> Robinson after elementary school which is one of
> the largest high schools in the county. I suggest
> that while a good education may be had with a
> small school and small classroom sizes, that when
> the kids transition to 7th grade to this huge
> school, perhaps they would ahve some issues
> coping. Being moved to a larger elementary school
> might really lessen the shock and ease the
> transition.
>
> And feel free to "go off". Remember that sticks
> and stones....just know that what Honey with bees
> suggested is true....you get more bees with honey
> than vinegar!
Great points. Even though you're correct that most here are not interested in civil discourse, I hope you continue posting.
I think closing CES, while disruptive and a major change, will ultimately be good for our kids, and will assist in their growth and education!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
spell
()
Date: December 15, 2010 12:41PM
Clifton Parent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Get over it too Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words
> > will never harm me!
> >
> > I really see no point in continuing the
> discussion
> > here. Seems that most are not interested in
> > looking for the good of the whole but ONLY out
> for
> > what is happening in their own backyard. While
> I
> > do not believe that vouchers are the answer, I
> see
> > no reason why they couldn't be provided for all
> > these disgruntled parents who are fed up with
> FCPS
> > so they can micromanage the private schools
> that
> > their children will be attending. Clearly, it
> is
> > apparent that most who write here have NO
> interest
> > in what is happening in the rest of the county
> and
> > ONLY concern themselves with what is going on
> in
> > their backyard. I'm certain that the kids will
> get
> > a fine education regardless as the parents do
> > indeed appear to be vested regardless of
> whether
> > the kids are going to public or private school.
> >
> > CES clearly is a special school. Too bad it
> does
> > not conform to the school model (whatever that
> > is). As for trailers that have no water, I
> think
> > no water is better than contaminated well
> water?
> > Besides, perhaps you should consider that the
> > nubmers relating to the overcrowding at the
> three
> > new schools as it pertains to capacity does NOT
> > include any trailer nubmers in it. Trailers are
> > not permanent structure and thus DO NOT get
> > included in capacity nubmers.
> >
> > Perhaps again you should consider useage of
> your
> > blessed CES building for other community
> purposes
> > and move on. Besides, the new schools can now
> ask
> > for updating and perhaps there is a real need
> for
> > this given your suggestion that they are
> > overcrowded.
> >
> > And don't worry, All the CES kids were headed
> to
> > Robinson after elementary school which is one
> of
> > the largest high schools in the county. I
> suggest
> > that while a good education may be had with a
> > small school and small classroom sizes, that
> when
> > the kids transition to 7th grade to this huge
> > school, perhaps they would ahve some issues
> > coping. Being moved to a larger elementary
> school
> > might really lessen the shock and ease the
> > transition.
> >
> > And feel free to "go off". Remember that sticks
> > and stones....just know that what Honey with
> bees
> > suggested is true....you get more bees with
> honey
> > than vinegar!
>
>
> Great points. Even though you're correct that most
> here are not interested in civil discourse, I hope
> you continue posting.
>
> I think closing CES, while disruptive and a major
> change, will ultimately be good for our kids, and
> will assist in their growth and education!
OK, poster so-called "Clifton Parent", prove that you have children at CES. Name the 3 teachers that were teaching at CES last year, but are not this year...
-------------------------------------------------------
> Get over it too Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words
> > will never harm me!
> >
> > I really see no point in continuing the
> discussion
> > here. Seems that most are not interested in
> > looking for the good of the whole but ONLY out
> for
> > what is happening in their own backyard. While
> I
> > do not believe that vouchers are the answer, I
> see
> > no reason why they couldn't be provided for all
> > these disgruntled parents who are fed up with
> FCPS
> > so they can micromanage the private schools
> that
> > their children will be attending. Clearly, it
> is
> > apparent that most who write here have NO
> interest
> > in what is happening in the rest of the county
> and
> > ONLY concern themselves with what is going on
> in
> > their backyard. I'm certain that the kids will
> get
> > a fine education regardless as the parents do
> > indeed appear to be vested regardless of
> whether
> > the kids are going to public or private school.
> >
> > CES clearly is a special school. Too bad it
> does
> > not conform to the school model (whatever that
> > is). As for trailers that have no water, I
> think
> > no water is better than contaminated well
> water?
> > Besides, perhaps you should consider that the
> > nubmers relating to the overcrowding at the
> three
> > new schools as it pertains to capacity does NOT
> > include any trailer nubmers in it. Trailers are
> > not permanent structure and thus DO NOT get
> > included in capacity nubmers.
> >
> > Perhaps again you should consider useage of
> your
> > blessed CES building for other community
> purposes
> > and move on. Besides, the new schools can now
> ask
> > for updating and perhaps there is a real need
> for
> > this given your suggestion that they are
> > overcrowded.
> >
> > And don't worry, All the CES kids were headed
> to
> > Robinson after elementary school which is one
> of
> > the largest high schools in the county. I
> suggest
> > that while a good education may be had with a
> > small school and small classroom sizes, that
> when
> > the kids transition to 7th grade to this huge
> > school, perhaps they would ahve some issues
> > coping. Being moved to a larger elementary
> school
> > might really lessen the shock and ease the
> > transition.
> >
> > And feel free to "go off". Remember that sticks
> > and stones....just know that what Honey with
> bees
> > suggested is true....you get more bees with
> honey
> > than vinegar!
>
>
> Great points. Even though you're correct that most
> here are not interested in civil discourse, I hope
> you continue posting.
>
> I think closing CES, while disruptive and a major
> change, will ultimately be good for our kids, and
> will assist in their growth and education!
OK, poster so-called "Clifton Parent", prove that you have children at CES. Name the 3 teachers that were teaching at CES last year, but are not this year...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: December 15, 2010 03:10PM
Pulled this from another thread since it is pertinent to this discussion.
Open Letter to the School Board
Posted by: Lindaisan ()
Date: December 15, 2010 12:06AM
Whistle Blowing _ Open Letter to the Fairfax County School Board:
I’m a resident of Fairfax County. Given that it’s lauded as among the best run, among the wealthiest, priding itself in the service provided to its residents, I am totally taken aback at the questionable behavior of some members of the School Board in regards to the future of our community schools. It is neither an emotional reaction nor an emotional issue. The county’s taxpayer base owns the schools they let the SB run and therefore a sense of school ownership by the taxpayer is only appropriate.
The issue at hand, how does a School Board allow and tolerate the unethical behavior of a member of its cadre is begging to be addressed. What is happening to our communities, our governance, that so many people can witness breach of public trust and arrogantly turn their backs hiding in a curtain of fabricated, limited & skewed information and behind the skirts of sympathetic politicians? Allowing a member to deliberately obscure the truth, insist in rationalizing and justifying a vote rooted on deceit before Fairfax County’s citizenry can only be categorized as appalling and demoralizing.
This comment is not a shot in the dark nor does it qualify as irresponsible. The incongruence of a vote to close a Governor’s Award of Excellence community school vis-à -vis the solutions presented in the Southwestern Regional Planning Study as well as the information provided in multiple hearings raised suspicions of an agenda behind an agenda. Subsequently members of two strong education/schools advocacy groups submitted FOIA requests to gain a better understanding of the most recent decisions of our School Board and FCPS. (FOIA requests have been posted for public consumption by these advocacy groups.) The information reviewed clearly shows SB rep. Liz Bradsher coaching a larger segment of her constituents from West Springfield H.S., on how to advance their center to the head of the renovation queue at the expense of closure of Clifton Elementary School (thus a smaller segment of voters). You decide how to qualify her actions.
An informed public with the responsibility and power to vote can and WILL take care of this situation. Let FCPS know that they as well as the School Board work for US, the Fairfax Resident. A boundary study that will affect 23 schools and 18,000 children cannot and should not be spearheaded by anyone who’s INTERESTS COME BEFORE THOSE OF ALL HER CONSITUTENTS, or demonstrates a lack of integrity. Such an individual needs to be removed from his/her representative position and prevented from having anything to do w/ facilities planning. I also urge you to ask of your favorite news outlets to shed light on the truth.
Lin-Dai Kendall
Concerned Parent
Fairfax Station, VA
Open Letter to the School Board
Posted by: Lindaisan ()
Date: December 15, 2010 12:06AM
Whistle Blowing _ Open Letter to the Fairfax County School Board:
I’m a resident of Fairfax County. Given that it’s lauded as among the best run, among the wealthiest, priding itself in the service provided to its residents, I am totally taken aback at the questionable behavior of some members of the School Board in regards to the future of our community schools. It is neither an emotional reaction nor an emotional issue. The county’s taxpayer base owns the schools they let the SB run and therefore a sense of school ownership by the taxpayer is only appropriate.
The issue at hand, how does a School Board allow and tolerate the unethical behavior of a member of its cadre is begging to be addressed. What is happening to our communities, our governance, that so many people can witness breach of public trust and arrogantly turn their backs hiding in a curtain of fabricated, limited & skewed information and behind the skirts of sympathetic politicians? Allowing a member to deliberately obscure the truth, insist in rationalizing and justifying a vote rooted on deceit before Fairfax County’s citizenry can only be categorized as appalling and demoralizing.
This comment is not a shot in the dark nor does it qualify as irresponsible. The incongruence of a vote to close a Governor’s Award of Excellence community school vis-à -vis the solutions presented in the Southwestern Regional Planning Study as well as the information provided in multiple hearings raised suspicions of an agenda behind an agenda. Subsequently members of two strong education/schools advocacy groups submitted FOIA requests to gain a better understanding of the most recent decisions of our School Board and FCPS. (FOIA requests have been posted for public consumption by these advocacy groups.) The information reviewed clearly shows SB rep. Liz Bradsher coaching a larger segment of her constituents from West Springfield H.S., on how to advance their center to the head of the renovation queue at the expense of closure of Clifton Elementary School (thus a smaller segment of voters). You decide how to qualify her actions.
An informed public with the responsibility and power to vote can and WILL take care of this situation. Let FCPS know that they as well as the School Board work for US, the Fairfax Resident. A boundary study that will affect 23 schools and 18,000 children cannot and should not be spearheaded by anyone who’s INTERESTS COME BEFORE THOSE OF ALL HER CONSITUTENTS, or demonstrates a lack of integrity. Such an individual needs to be removed from his/her representative position and prevented from having anything to do w/ facilities planning. I also urge you to ask of your favorite news outlets to shed light on the truth.
Lin-Dai Kendall
Concerned Parent
Fairfax Station, VA
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
slubdawg
()
Date: December 15, 2010 03:33PM
And you think Jack Dale is or a school board member is going to respond?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WSHS rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!
()
Date: December 15, 2010 05:34PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
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>
> An informed public with the responsibility and
> power to vote can and WILL take care of this
> situation. Let FCPS know that they as well as the
> School Board work for US, the Fairfax Resident. A
> boundary study that will affect 23 schools and
> 18,000 children cannot and should not be
> spearheaded by anyone who’s INTERESTS COME
> BEFORE THOSE OF ALL HER CONSITUTENTS, or
> demonstrates a lack of integrity. Such an
> individual needs to be removed from his/her
> representative position and prevented from having
> anything to do w/ facilities planning. I also urge
> you to ask of your favorite news outlets to shed
> light on the truth.
Liz finally got us in line for the renovations we so desperately need. Way to go Liz!
Vote Liz for County Supervisor!
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> An informed public with the responsibility and
> power to vote can and WILL take care of this
> situation. Let FCPS know that they as well as the
> School Board work for US, the Fairfax Resident. A
> boundary study that will affect 23 schools and
> 18,000 children cannot and should not be
> spearheaded by anyone who’s INTERESTS COME
> BEFORE THOSE OF ALL HER CONSITUTENTS, or
> demonstrates a lack of integrity. Such an
> individual needs to be removed from his/her
> representative position and prevented from having
> anything to do w/ facilities planning. I also urge
> you to ask of your favorite news outlets to shed
> light on the truth.
Liz finally got us in line for the renovations we so desperately need. Way to go Liz!
Vote Liz for County Supervisor!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To WSHS rocks
()
Date: December 15, 2010 05:42PM
WSHS rocks!!!!!!!!!!!! Wrote:
>
> Liz finally got us in line for the renovations we
> so desperately need. Way to go Liz!
Why was WSHS out of the renovation queue to begin with?
>
> Liz finally got us in line for the renovations we
> so desperately need. Way to go Liz!
Why was WSHS out of the renovation queue to begin with?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Just a guess
()
Date: December 15, 2010 07:24PM
To WSHS rocks Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> WSHS rocks!!!!!!!!!!!! Wrote:
> >
> > Liz finally got us in line for the renovations
> we
> > so desperately need. Way to go Liz!
>
>
> Why was WSHS out of the renovation queue to begin
> with?
Probably because there aren't enough obnoxious, aggressive Langley-type parents in West Springfield who DEMAND their kids/schools get the newest things first.
West Springfield HS has several award-winning teachers and a great community spirit.
-------------------------------------------------------
> WSHS rocks!!!!!!!!!!!! Wrote:
> >
> > Liz finally got us in line for the renovations
> we
> > so desperately need. Way to go Liz!
>
>
> Why was WSHS out of the renovation queue to begin
> with?
Probably because there aren't enough obnoxious, aggressive Langley-type parents in West Springfield who DEMAND their kids/schools get the newest things first.
West Springfield HS has several award-winning teachers and a great community spirit.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To "Just a guess"
()
Date: December 15, 2010 07:57PM
>
> West Springfield HS has several award-winning
> teachers and a great community spirit.
We in Clifton can relate to pride in a school, award winning, and a great community spirit. It's nice that your special school will get the needed renovations. Too bad it had to happen at the expense of CES. It really didn't need to play out that way.
> West Springfield HS has several award-winning
> teachers and a great community spirit.
We in Clifton can relate to pride in a school, award winning, and a great community spirit. It's nice that your special school will get the needed renovations. Too bad it had to happen at the expense of CES. It really didn't need to play out that way.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: December 16, 2010 08:24AM
To WSHS rocks Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why was WSHS out of the renovation queue to begin with?<
Because Liz jumped WSHS to build South County High and South County Middle.
But for her actions, WSHS would have been renovated 5+ years ago.
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> Why was WSHS out of the renovation queue to begin with?<
Because Liz jumped WSHS to build South County High and South County Middle.
But for her actions, WSHS would have been renovated 5+ years ago.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Clifton pride
()
Date: December 16, 2010 08:33AM
To "Just a guess" Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > West Springfield HS has several award-winning
> > teachers and a great community spirit.
>
>
> We in Clifton can relate to pride in a school,
> award winning, and a great community spirit. It's
> nice that your special school will get the needed
> renovations. Too bad it had to happen at the
> expense of CES. It really didn't need to play out
> that way.
FYI, I've been supporting Clifton's side, you sore, lashing out Clifton parent. We do not own a home in West Springfield High School boundaries, nor do our kids attend WSHS. We are moving out of Virginia. So your comment "It's nice that your special school will get the needed renovations" is rather snarky. It's not MY special school. It is a good school, and it should not have been left out of the renovation list.
You don't do Clifton any favors by posting in such a way. There are nice Clifton people out there who post in a more reasonable manner. They do a better job of advocating for Clifton Elementary.
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > West Springfield HS has several award-winning
> > teachers and a great community spirit.
>
>
> We in Clifton can relate to pride in a school,
> award winning, and a great community spirit. It's
> nice that your special school will get the needed
> renovations. Too bad it had to happen at the
> expense of CES. It really didn't need to play out
> that way.
FYI, I've been supporting Clifton's side, you sore, lashing out Clifton parent. We do not own a home in West Springfield High School boundaries, nor do our kids attend WSHS. We are moving out of Virginia. So your comment "It's nice that your special school will get the needed renovations" is rather snarky. It's not MY special school. It is a good school, and it should not have been left out of the renovation list.
You don't do Clifton any favors by posting in such a way. There are nice Clifton people out there who post in a more reasonable manner. They do a better job of advocating for Clifton Elementary.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thank Liz
()
Date: December 16, 2010 08:38AM
To "Just a guess" Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > West Springfield HS has several award-winning
> > teachers and a great community spirit.
>
>
> We in Clifton can relate to pride in a school,
> award winning, and a great community spirit. It's
> nice that your special school will get the needed
> renovations. Too bad it had to happen at the
> expense of CES. It really didn't need to play out
> that way.
Angry Clifton mom: Liz Bradsher created this mess. West Springfield High School should have renovated years ago, but as Thomas More stated, they built South County High School and are planning South County Middle School. So Liz's precious neighborhood doesn't have to attend Hayfield or Mount Vernon High Schools.
Liz's strategy was to sacrifice Clifton to move WSHS into a renovation spot.
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > West Springfield HS has several award-winning
> > teachers and a great community spirit.
>
>
> We in Clifton can relate to pride in a school,
> award winning, and a great community spirit. It's
> nice that your special school will get the needed
> renovations. Too bad it had to happen at the
> expense of CES. It really didn't need to play out
> that way.
Angry Clifton mom: Liz Bradsher created this mess. West Springfield High School should have renovated years ago, but as Thomas More stated, they built South County High School and are planning South County Middle School. So Liz's precious neighborhood doesn't have to attend Hayfield or Mount Vernon High Schools.
Liz's strategy was to sacrifice Clifton to move WSHS into a renovation spot.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Who you direct your anger at..
()
Date: December 16, 2010 09:19AM
We need to be mad at the school board and give Liz Bradsher the boot. She wants all of us to fight with each other so we will not focus on what a nasty bitch she is. She is making a joke out of FCPS and she needs to be put in her place.
PS Since the letter's we are all sending are not working I say we all call her at home and ask why she so stupid.
PS Since the letter's we are all sending are not working I say we all call her at home and ask why she so stupid.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
spell
()
Date: December 16, 2010 09:35AM
There was a poster calling herself "Clifton Parent" that was saying that her kids attended Clifton Elem., and that she was FOR closing the school, and preaching to us other Clifton Elem. parents to "get over it, and move along". I then posted a question to see if she really is a "Clifton Parent" , but she ran away because she knows she was lying through her teeth! Where are you, "Clifotn Parent", answer my question so that we know you really are a clifton parent. OR -- are you posing as a Clifton Parent but are really one of Liz Bradsher's cronies?
Here's the question?
OK, poster so-called "Clifton Parent", prove that you have children at CES. Name the 3 teachers who were teaching at CES last year, but are not this year...
Here's the question?
OK, poster so-called "Clifton Parent", prove that you have children at CES. Name the 3 teachers who were teaching at CES last year, but are not this year...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SoCo Middle School
()
Date: December 16, 2010 09:44AM
South County Middle School opens in Sept. 2012, and the approval came through...when? Not that long ago.
http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=1589
The school board didn't waste time giving Bradsher what she wanted. Was closing Clifton Elementary a condition of getting the middle school approved?
http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=1589
The school board didn't waste time giving Bradsher what she wanted. Was closing Clifton Elementary a condition of getting the middle school approved?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To RUDE Clifton Pride post
()
Date: December 16, 2010 09:57AM
Clifton pride Wrote:
>
> FYI, I've been supporting Clifton's side, you
> sore, lashing out Clifton parent. We do not own a
> home in West Springfield High School boundaries,
> nor do our kids attend WSHS. We are moving out of
> Virginia. So your comment "It's nice that your
> special school will get the needed renovations" is
> rather snarky. It's not MY special school. It is
> a good school, and it should not have been left
> out of the renovation list.
>
> You don't do Clifton any favors by posting in such
> a way. There are nice Clifton people out there
> who post in a more reasonable manner. They do a
> better job of advocating for Clifton Elementary.
CHILL....- "your special school" was a genuine compliment. The WSHS Rocks poster was very passionate about the school... the comment was meant in that spirit... "your" = possesive. "Special" = it's obviously a special school, per the poster's comments about award winning teachers & community pride. Sheesh!!!!
>
> FYI, I've been supporting Clifton's side, you
> sore, lashing out Clifton parent. We do not own a
> home in West Springfield High School boundaries,
> nor do our kids attend WSHS. We are moving out of
> Virginia. So your comment "It's nice that your
> special school will get the needed renovations" is
> rather snarky. It's not MY special school. It is
> a good school, and it should not have been left
> out of the renovation list.
>
> You don't do Clifton any favors by posting in such
> a way. There are nice Clifton people out there
> who post in a more reasonable manner. They do a
> better job of advocating for Clifton Elementary.
CHILL....- "your special school" was a genuine compliment. The WSHS Rocks poster was very passionate about the school... the comment was meant in that spirit... "your" = possesive. "Special" = it's obviously a special school, per the poster's comments about award winning teachers & community pride. Sheesh!!!!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Alternative Rocker
()
Date: December 16, 2010 10:42AM
Just a guess Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Probably because there aren't enough obnoxious,
> aggressive Langley-type parents in West
> Springfield who DEMAND their kids/schools get the
> newest things first.
>
> West Springfield HS has several award-winning
> teachers and a great community spirit.
Or maybe it has nothing to do with Langley and everything to do with Liz Bradsher having dropped the ball on WSHS initially because she only cared about South County.
Why you buy into the notion that one community has to get totally screwed so you get yours is beyond me. There were several win-win solutions offered to FCPS, but Liz was too stupid and malevolent to consider them.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Probably because there aren't enough obnoxious,
> aggressive Langley-type parents in West
> Springfield who DEMAND their kids/schools get the
> newest things first.
>
> West Springfield HS has several award-winning
> teachers and a great community spirit.
Or maybe it has nothing to do with Langley and everything to do with Liz Bradsher having dropped the ball on WSHS initially because she only cared about South County.
Why you buy into the notion that one community has to get totally screwed so you get yours is beyond me. There were several win-win solutions offered to FCPS, but Liz was too stupid and malevolent to consider them.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
spell
()
Date: December 16, 2010 12:24PM
To RUDE Clifton Pride post Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Clifton pride Wrote:
> >
> > FYI, I've been supporting Clifton's side, you
> > sore, lashing out Clifton parent. We do not own
> a
> > home in West Springfield High School
> boundaries,
> > nor do our kids attend WSHS. We are moving out
> of
> > Virginia. So your comment "It's nice that
> your
> > special school will get the needed renovations"
> is
> > rather snarky. It's not MY special school. It
> is
> > a good school, and it should not have been left
> > out of the renovation list.
> >
> > You don't do Clifton any favors by posting in
> such
> > a way. There are nice Clifton people out
> there
> > who post in a more reasonable manner. They do
> a
> > better job of advocating for Clifton
> Elementary.
>
>
> CHILL....- "your special school" was a genuine
> compliment. The WSHS Rocks poster was very
> passionate about the school... the comment was
> meant in that spirit... "your" = possesive.
> "Special" = it's obviously a special school, per
> the poster's comments about award winning teachers
> & community pride. Sheesh!!!!
You did overreact, Clifton Pride, relax a bit.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Clifton pride Wrote:
> >
> > FYI, I've been supporting Clifton's side, you
> > sore, lashing out Clifton parent. We do not own
> a
> > home in West Springfield High School
> boundaries,
> > nor do our kids attend WSHS. We are moving out
> of
> > Virginia. So your comment "It's nice that
> your
> > special school will get the needed renovations"
> is
> > rather snarky. It's not MY special school. It
> is
> > a good school, and it should not have been left
> > out of the renovation list.
> >
> > You don't do Clifton any favors by posting in
> such
> > a way. There are nice Clifton people out
> there
> > who post in a more reasonable manner. They do
> a
> > better job of advocating for Clifton
> Elementary.
>
>
> CHILL....- "your special school" was a genuine
> compliment. The WSHS Rocks poster was very
> passionate about the school... the comment was
> meant in that spirit... "your" = possesive.
> "Special" = it's obviously a special school, per
> the poster's comments about award winning teachers
> & community pride. Sheesh!!!!
You did overreact, Clifton Pride, relax a bit.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
where were you when....?
()
Date: December 16, 2010 01:02PM
All those posters who think closing Clifton is oh so fiscally responsible even though we know no money will be saved, where were you when....
The School Board wanted to borrow $120 million for an office building for themselves?
The School Board voted to issue a separate bond for SOCO Middle School for $50 million even though there are hundreds of empty seats at neighboring schools?
They installed some fancy monitoring system in the parking garage at Gatehouse so the poor dears don't have to drive around looking for an empty space?
They spent $7.5 million renovating an adult education center (Edsall Park) that teaches needle point and basket weaving even though our schools desperately need renovations?
They spent millions on an addition to Langley rather than send kids who attend Langley but live in Herndon to South Lakes?
Had enough?
Please post all of your angry emails that you sent back then showing your outrage at how they have mismanaged the funds.
What?
You didn't send any?
I see.
For some reason ONLY THIS issue seems to bother you.
Bob, Cassie, Emily, Erik.....where are the emails to SB members? Come on, you guys are activists always doing the right thing when it comes to our schools.
Where are your protests?
Silence.
Figures.
Liz says "jump"....you say "how high".
You are just puppets my friends. And you are too stupid to even know it.
The School Board wanted to borrow $120 million for an office building for themselves?
The School Board voted to issue a separate bond for SOCO Middle School for $50 million even though there are hundreds of empty seats at neighboring schools?
They installed some fancy monitoring system in the parking garage at Gatehouse so the poor dears don't have to drive around looking for an empty space?
They spent $7.5 million renovating an adult education center (Edsall Park) that teaches needle point and basket weaving even though our schools desperately need renovations?
They spent millions on an addition to Langley rather than send kids who attend Langley but live in Herndon to South Lakes?
Had enough?
Please post all of your angry emails that you sent back then showing your outrage at how they have mismanaged the funds.
What?
You didn't send any?
I see.
For some reason ONLY THIS issue seems to bother you.
Bob, Cassie, Emily, Erik.....where are the emails to SB members? Come on, you guys are activists always doing the right thing when it comes to our schools.
Where are your protests?
Silence.
Figures.
Liz says "jump"....you say "how high".
You are just puppets my friends. And you are too stupid to even know it.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
newbie
()
Date: December 16, 2010 02:26PM
This is not meant to be defensive, just to help broaden perspective. I am a parent of younger preschool kids. I am involved now, out of concern for the traffic and schools (to say nothing of the fact that the school board shouldn't get away with this).
Something about having kids makes one take notice of FCPS and the SB. Wish I had known more of what was happening over these last few years - I would have become involved sooner. We need a way to let all homeowners and commuters know about all this, and the impact it will have. Their tax dollars at work. Where's the press?
Something about having kids makes one take notice of FCPS and the SB. Wish I had known more of what was happening over these last few years - I would have become involved sooner. We need a way to let all homeowners and commuters know about all this, and the impact it will have. Their tax dollars at work. Where's the press?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
enough
()
Date: December 16, 2010 02:57PM
>where were you when....? wrote:
>The School Board wanted to borrow $120 million for an office building for >themselves?
Yes, they did, but Pat Herrity (the BOS Southwest Rep) did not support it (along with other Ffx Co. BOS), so the SB had to scrap the plan. Thus, Liz Bradsher decided to get even with Pat, when it came time to renovate Clifton Elem.
>The School Board wanted to borrow $120 million for an office building for >themselves?
Yes, they did, but Pat Herrity (the BOS Southwest Rep) did not support it (along with other Ffx Co. BOS), so the SB had to scrap the plan. Thus, Liz Bradsher decided to get even with Pat, when it came time to renovate Clifton Elem.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Spartan parent
()
Date: December 16, 2010 03:40PM
WSHS is not being renovated at the expense of Clifton. I suppose it's nice to have someone to blame. WSHS should have been renovated years ago when the SB paid 75,000 to an independant consultant to study the need. The consultant recommended that WSHS be moved to the top of the renovation queue. The SB didn't like that recommendation so they changed the criteria for renovation. In the mean time bradsher prentends to be a friend to WS (fooling only SOAR people while she leads the group) and tries to sell us BS about public private funding that went no where. Just a smoke screen so most would keep their mouths shut while she pushed through her middle school in spite of there being hundreds of newly renovated empty seats at surrounding schools. Thus, we waited a few more years. So WSHS Rocks, don't be fooled. You'll be the only vote she gets in West Springfield.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
New CIP
()
Date: December 16, 2010 05:23PM
The New CIP is out.
High school renovations: Edison, then Marshall, then Jefferson, then Langley, and then West Springfield.
West Springfield gets planning money beginning July 2014, with the large amounts of money for actual renovation coming July 2017 - July 2020.
High school renovations: Edison, then Marshall, then Jefferson, then Langley, and then West Springfield.
West Springfield gets planning money beginning July 2014, with the large amounts of money for actual renovation coming July 2017 - July 2020.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
scraped
()
Date: December 16, 2010 05:42PM
So Bradsher screwed the WSHS SOAR group, too? Welcome to the club...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Spartan Parent
()
Date: December 16, 2010 07:51PM
Sorry to one up you but we were screwed first. You're sloppy seconds in this mess. My condolences.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Tistadt...Tis Da Villain?
()
Date: December 16, 2010 09:51PM
It's easy to focus on Liz because she is such a buffoon... but back to Tistadt for a moment.
Word on the street is that he said MANY YEARS AGO at a PTA or board meeting or something... "My goal is to close Clifton Elementary before I retire."
Is it possible he saw an opening and then proceeded to completely use Liz knowing that she was up a creek with WSHS (having spent $$ on unneeded SOCO MS instead)?
"Liz... tell ya what... if you get the votes to close CES, we can solve this WSHS debacle."
I don't know... just wondering. and if so... What on earth is his beef with Clifton? A grudge with a resident?
Word on the street is that he said MANY YEARS AGO at a PTA or board meeting or something... "My goal is to close Clifton Elementary before I retire."
Is it possible he saw an opening and then proceeded to completely use Liz knowing that she was up a creek with WSHS (having spent $$ on unneeded SOCO MS instead)?
"Liz... tell ya what... if you get the votes to close CES, we can solve this WSHS debacle."
I don't know... just wondering. and if so... What on earth is his beef with Clifton? A grudge with a resident?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
You like apples?
()
Date: December 17, 2010 03:08AM
how 'bout these apples?
Misery Lizzie at work with her school board groupie gargoyles and King of the Evil Dominion Dale to put together the vote to torch Clifton for WS.
Attachments:
Misery Lizzie at work with her school board groupie gargoyles and King of the Evil Dominion Dale to put together the vote to torch Clifton for WS.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
heck
()
Date: December 17, 2010 06:37AM
New CIP Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The New CIP is out.
> High school renovations: Edison, then Marshall,
> then Jefferson, then Langley, and then West
> Springfield.
>
> West Springfield gets planning money beginning
> July 2014, with the large amounts of money for
> actual renovation coming July 2017 - July 2020.
If this is the case, then West Springfield is still waiting for renovation behind Langley, which already was renovated and received an addition when Great Falls parents raised a stink during the South Lakes redistricting mess. So Clifton is not being closed in order to move West Springfield up to the front of the renovation line. That's just more lies from Liz Bradsher, to get the communities to fight each other.
Why does Langley always get preferential treatment from FCPS and the school board? Talk about keeping their publicly funded running like a private school...
-------------------------------------------------------
> The New CIP is out.
> High school renovations: Edison, then Marshall,
> then Jefferson, then Langley, and then West
> Springfield.
>
> West Springfield gets planning money beginning
> July 2014, with the large amounts of money for
> actual renovation coming July 2017 - July 2020.
If this is the case, then West Springfield is still waiting for renovation behind Langley, which already was renovated and received an addition when Great Falls parents raised a stink during the South Lakes redistricting mess. So Clifton is not being closed in order to move West Springfield up to the front of the renovation line. That's just more lies from Liz Bradsher, to get the communities to fight each other.
Why does Langley always get preferential treatment from FCPS and the school board? Talk about keeping their publicly funded running like a private school...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
McLean Flunky
()
Date: December 17, 2010 07:25AM
heck Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Why does Langley always get preferential treatment
> from FCPS and the school board? Talk about
> keeping their publicly funded running like a
> private school...
You really don't know the answer to that???? Langley is located in Great Falls. Great Falls is home to the millionaires and billionaires of NoVA as well as all the connected politicians. They get what they want when they want it PERIOD. No one will stand up to the money and power that can be brought to bear. Bradsher and all her facist acolytes think CES is a publicly funded private school but that is pretty much true about Langley.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Why does Langley always get preferential treatment
> from FCPS and the school board? Talk about
> keeping their publicly funded running like a
> private school...
You really don't know the answer to that???? Langley is located in Great Falls. Great Falls is home to the millionaires and billionaires of NoVA as well as all the connected politicians. They get what they want when they want it PERIOD. No one will stand up to the money and power that can be brought to bear. Bradsher and all her facist acolytes think CES is a publicly funded private school but that is pretty much true about Langley.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
rhetorical question
()
Date: December 17, 2010 07:34AM
Thanks, McLean flunky. Just wanted someone to acknowledge that fact.
So, it's acceptable for Langley to operate as a publicly funded private school, because it's GREAT FALLS/wealthy people. FCPS must do what those important, powerful people want. No one will change Langley's Method of Operation, even when there's vandalism in the cafeteria on their "color day." It's all airbrushed out of the news.
But Clifton is a target because it is a small--though successful--school, with fewer powerful parents to protect it.
So, it's acceptable for Langley to operate as a publicly funded private school, because it's GREAT FALLS/wealthy people. FCPS must do what those important, powerful people want. No one will change Langley's Method of Operation, even when there's vandalism in the cafeteria on their "color day." It's all airbrushed out of the news.
But Clifton is a target because it is a small--though successful--school, with fewer powerful parents to protect it.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
McLean flunky
()
Date: December 17, 2010 07:59AM
Bradsher has lied about this whole thing. The water supply doesn't have the problems they said it did. Cost to renovate is not as much as they said it would be. Cost to build a new replacement is much higher then they said it would be, etc, etc, etc.
As has been asked many times: why is closing CES an obsession with the bozos on the SB? We are missing too many dots to connect them, but the truth is out there somewhere. The only recourse is to stop worrying about why and instead vote all these bozos out and get a new board in there that will stop playing shadowy politics with our kids and our neighborhoods as part of some grand social experiment or a high stakes game of payback and gotcha.
As has been asked many times: why is closing CES an obsession with the bozos on the SB? We are missing too many dots to connect them, but the truth is out there somewhere. The only recourse is to stop worrying about why and instead vote all these bozos out and get a new board in there that will stop playing shadowy politics with our kids and our neighborhoods as part of some grand social experiment or a high stakes game of payback and gotcha.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
New CIP
()
Date: December 17, 2010 08:39AM
NO renovation construction at West Springfield is planned until at least 2017.
The School Board meeting last night was cancelled by snow but the new CIP powerpoint is on the web site.
Page 10:
New Construction
Elementary School at the Lacey site to be completed in 2012
•South County Middle School to be completed in 2012
Capacity Enhancements
•Additions to eight elementary schools and one middle school as approved in the 2009 bond referendum. Relocation of two modulars
*********
Part of page 11:
Renovation Construction in 2011: Marshall HS
Construction 2012-2016
•Canterbury Woods ES
•Clermont ES
•Terraset ES
•Sunrise Valley ES
•Garfield ES
•Ravensworth ES
•Terra Centre ES
•Westgate ES
•Woodlawn ES
•Haycock ES
•Sandburg MS
•Thoreau MS
•Jefferson HS
•Langley HS
The School Board meeting last night was cancelled by snow but the new CIP powerpoint is on the web site.
Page 10:
New Construction
Elementary School at the Lacey site to be completed in 2012
•South County Middle School to be completed in 2012
Capacity Enhancements
•Additions to eight elementary schools and one middle school as approved in the 2009 bond referendum. Relocation of two modulars
*********
Part of page 11:
Renovation Construction in 2011: Marshall HS
Construction 2012-2016
•Canterbury Woods ES
•Clermont ES
•Terraset ES
•Sunrise Valley ES
•Garfield ES
•Ravensworth ES
•Terra Centre ES
•Westgate ES
•Woodlawn ES
•Haycock ES
•Sandburg MS
•Thoreau MS
•Jefferson HS
•Langley HS
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Fact Checker
()
Date: December 17, 2010 10:07AM
heck Wrote:
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> New CIP Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The New CIP is out.
> > High school renovations: Edison, then Marshall,
> > then Jefferson, then Langley, and then West
> > Springfield.
> >
> > West Springfield gets planning money beginning
> > July 2014, with the large amounts of money for
> > actual renovation coming July 2017 - July 2020.
>
>
> If this is the case, then West Springfield is
> still waiting for renovation behind Langley, which
> already was renovated and received an addition
> when Great Falls parents raised a stink during the
> South Lakes redistricting mess. So Clifton is
> not being closed in order to move West Springfield
> up to the front of the renovation line. That's
> just more lies from Liz Bradsher, to get the
> communities to fight each other.
>
> Why does Langley always get preferential treatment
> from FCPS and the school board? Talk about
> keeping their publicly funded running like a
> private school...
Langley got additions, but the rest of the school wasn't renovated. That's the main reason why it's ahead of West Springfield to be renovated.
You could make a good argument that Langley shouldn't have gotten the additions, and that their goal was to make sure all the kids in Great Falls all the way out to the Loudoun border could go to Langley, rather than Herndon or South Lakes. But the suggestion that West Springfield should be renovated before Langley isn't very convincing.
-------------------------------------------------------
> New CIP Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The New CIP is out.
> > High school renovations: Edison, then Marshall,
> > then Jefferson, then Langley, and then West
> > Springfield.
> >
> > West Springfield gets planning money beginning
> > July 2014, with the large amounts of money for
> > actual renovation coming July 2017 - July 2020.
>
>
> If this is the case, then West Springfield is
> still waiting for renovation behind Langley, which
> already was renovated and received an addition
> when Great Falls parents raised a stink during the
> South Lakes redistricting mess. So Clifton is
> not being closed in order to move West Springfield
> up to the front of the renovation line. That's
> just more lies from Liz Bradsher, to get the
> communities to fight each other.
>
> Why does Langley always get preferential treatment
> from FCPS and the school board? Talk about
> keeping their publicly funded running like a
> private school...
Langley got additions, but the rest of the school wasn't renovated. That's the main reason why it's ahead of West Springfield to be renovated.
You could make a good argument that Langley shouldn't have gotten the additions, and that their goal was to make sure all the kids in Great Falls all the way out to the Loudoun border could go to Langley, rather than Herndon or South Lakes. But the suggestion that West Springfield should be renovated before Langley isn't very convincing.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Fact Checker
()
Date: December 17, 2010 10:11AM
McLean Flunky Wrote:
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>> You really don't know the answer to that????
> Langley is located in Great Falls. Great Falls is
> home to the millionaires and billionaires of NoVA
> as well as all the connected politicians. They
> get what they want when they want it PERIOD. No
> one will stand up to the money and power that can
> be brought to bear. Bradsher and all her facist
> acolytes think CES is a publicly funded private
> school but that is pretty much true about Langley.
Should have added to prior post that Langley was also built after Edison, Marshall and TJ, but before West Springfield.
But, yes, Langley parents have more influence within FCPS than CES parents. There are more of them, they know how to work behind the scenes, and their School Board member looks after them and doesn't screw them over.
-------------------------------------------------------
>> You really don't know the answer to that????
> Langley is located in Great Falls. Great Falls is
> home to the millionaires and billionaires of NoVA
> as well as all the connected politicians. They
> get what they want when they want it PERIOD. No
> one will stand up to the money and power that can
> be brought to bear. Bradsher and all her facist
> acolytes think CES is a publicly funded private
> school but that is pretty much true about Langley.
Should have added to prior post that Langley was also built after Edison, Marshall and TJ, but before West Springfield.
But, yes, Langley parents have more influence within FCPS than CES parents. There are more of them, they know how to work behind the scenes, and their School Board member looks after them and doesn't screw them over.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
not so fast
()
Date: December 17, 2010 11:19AM
SOAR West Springfield is a committed and active West Springfield community action group working closely with the West Springfield High School PTSA to secure major renovations needed for West Springfield High School.
The SOAR objective is to ensure that West Springfield is included in the Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) school renovation Capital Improvement Program (CIP) with completed renovation by 2016 at the latest, West Springfield High School’s 50th Anniversary.
Come on guys....you saw the emails from Bradsher to Erik Hawkins of SOAR promising them 2011 planning money.
Do you honestly think now that she has destroyed her political future, made enemies of half her voting district, positioned herself to head the facilities committee that she will not do whatever it takes to get West Springfield money somehow, someway???
Don't forget Tistadt's $40 million piggy bank of "savings".
This is not over by any means.
Anyone from SOAR want to make a statement?
The SOAR objective is to ensure that West Springfield is included in the Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) school renovation Capital Improvement Program (CIP) with completed renovation by 2016 at the latest, West Springfield High School’s 50th Anniversary.
Come on guys....you saw the emails from Bradsher to Erik Hawkins of SOAR promising them 2011 planning money.
Do you honestly think now that she has destroyed her political future, made enemies of half her voting district, positioned herself to head the facilities committee that she will not do whatever it takes to get West Springfield money somehow, someway???
Don't forget Tistadt's $40 million piggy bank of "savings".
This is not over by any means.
Anyone from SOAR want to make a statement?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Lie Detector
()
Date: December 17, 2010 04:01PM
THIS WHACKO is representing the rest of us in the boundary study in Annandale & will advise the School Board??
PISS OFF.
Attachments:
PISS OFF.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: December 17, 2010 04:45PM
Wait, Cassie is an FCPS employee (fcps.edu e-mail address)? I didn't think FCPS employees were allowed on the FPAC group. How the heck did she get around that one?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Spfld Mom
()
Date: December 17, 2010 05:30PM
So, the enrollment numbers at Clifton actually are on a decline, but are being held artificially high through the use of larger boundaries and expensive buses.
Close it for the greater good of the county.
Thanks for sharing that email. It's another nail in the CLifton ES coffin.
Close it for the greater good of the county.
Thanks for sharing that email. It's another nail in the CLifton ES coffin.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Springfield = Ghetto
()
Date: December 17, 2010 06:35PM
Spfld Mom Wrote:
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> So, the enrollment numbers at Clifton actually are
> on a decline, but are being held artificially high
> through the use of larger boundaries and expensive
> buses.
>
> Close it for the greater good of the county.
>
> Thanks for sharing that email. It's another nail
> in the CLifton ES coffin.
Anyone from Springfield is a hillbilly. A mom from Springfield is, on average, 15 years old. A grandma in Springfield is, on average, 32. The fact that you admit your from that hell hole proves your IQ is below room temperature. Springfield sucks so bad that the upper class there (you know, the ones with better than a 4th grade education) have sectioned themselves off by adding "North" or "West" in front of Shitfield.
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, the enrollment numbers at Clifton actually are
> on a decline, but are being held artificially high
> through the use of larger boundaries and expensive
> buses.
>
> Close it for the greater good of the county.
>
> Thanks for sharing that email. It's another nail
> in the CLifton ES coffin.
Anyone from Springfield is a hillbilly. A mom from Springfield is, on average, 15 years old. A grandma in Springfield is, on average, 32. The fact that you admit your from that hell hole proves your IQ is below room temperature. Springfield sucks so bad that the upper class there (you know, the ones with better than a 4th grade education) have sectioned themselves off by adding "North" or "West" in front of Shitfield.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To Spfld Mom
()
Date: December 17, 2010 09:04PM
Spfld Mom Wrote:
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> So, the enrollment numbers at Clifton actually are
> on a decline, but are being held artificially high
> through the use of larger boundaries and expensive
> buses.
>
> Close it for the greater good of the county.
>
> Thanks for sharing that email. It's another nail
> in the CLifton ES coffin.
Please site your sources/facts for declining enrollment. Are you talking about Cassie's email? HAAAAAHAAAAHAAAA - good one. Try again.
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, the enrollment numbers at Clifton actually are
> on a decline, but are being held artificially high
> through the use of larger boundaries and expensive
> buses.
>
> Close it for the greater good of the county.
>
> Thanks for sharing that email. It's another nail
> in the CLifton ES coffin.
Please site your sources/facts for declining enrollment. Are you talking about Cassie's email? HAAAAAHAAAAHAAAA - good one. Try again.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
H8 Clifton
()
Date: December 17, 2010 09:19PM
Springfield = Ghetto Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Anyone from Springfield is a hillbilly. A mom
> from Springfield is, on average, 15 years old. A
> grandma in Springfield is, on average, 32. The
> fact that you admit your from that hell hole
> proves your IQ is below room temperature.
> Springfield sucks so bad that the upper class
> there (you know, the ones with better than a 4th
> grade education) have sectioned themselves off by
> adding "North" or "West" in front of Shitfield.
Typical bigoted and rascist Cliftonite.
Our kids will welcome some of your mini-rascists at Sangster, and then pummel the hell out of them.
Take care!
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Anyone from Springfield is a hillbilly. A mom
> from Springfield is, on average, 15 years old. A
> grandma in Springfield is, on average, 32. The
> fact that you admit your from that hell hole
> proves your IQ is below room temperature.
> Springfield sucks so bad that the upper class
> there (you know, the ones with better than a 4th
> grade education) have sectioned themselves off by
> adding "North" or "West" in front of Shitfield.
Typical bigoted and rascist Cliftonite.
Our kids will welcome some of your mini-rascists at Sangster, and then pummel the hell out of them.
Take care!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
renovation numbers
()
Date: December 17, 2010 09:40PM
Interesting renovation schedule according to Patch:
Clermont Elem. 2013 470 studentshttp://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/school-renovations-may-be-moved-up
a sample:
Terraset 2013 421 students
Garfield 2013 337 students
Bucknell 2016 293 students!
Clermont Elem. 2013 470 studentshttp://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/school-renovations-may-be-moved-up
a sample:
Terraset 2013 421 students
Garfield 2013 337 students
Bucknell 2016 293 students!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: December 17, 2010 09:50PM
H8 Clifton Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Springfield = Ghetto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Anyone from Springfield is a hillbilly. A mom
> > from Springfield is, on average, 15 years old.
> A
> > grandma in Springfield is, on average, 32. The
> > fact that you admit your from that hell hole
> > proves your IQ is below room temperature.
> > Springfield sucks so bad that the upper class
> > there (you know, the ones with better than a
> 4th
> > grade education) have sectioned themselves off
> by
> > adding "North" or "West" in front of Shitfield.
>
>
> Typical bigoted and rascist Cliftonite.
>
> Our kids will welcome some of your mini-rascists
> at Sangster, and then pummel the hell out of
> them.
>
> Take care!
And you know the above was written by someone in Clifton because???? You DON'T! So STFU and move along.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Springfield = Ghetto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Anyone from Springfield is a hillbilly. A mom
> > from Springfield is, on average, 15 years old.
> A
> > grandma in Springfield is, on average, 32. The
> > fact that you admit your from that hell hole
> > proves your IQ is below room temperature.
> > Springfield sucks so bad that the upper class
> > there (you know, the ones with better than a
> 4th
> > grade education) have sectioned themselves off
> by
> > adding "North" or "West" in front of Shitfield.
>
>
> Typical bigoted and rascist Cliftonite.
>
> Our kids will welcome some of your mini-rascists
> at Sangster, and then pummel the hell out of
> them.
>
> Take care!
And you know the above was written by someone in Clifton because???? You DON'T! So STFU and move along.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
NewToClifton
()
Date: December 17, 2010 10:25PM
Yep, Garfield is older (1952 vs. 1953) than Clifton and just as small, with less students, yet it gets renovated and Clifton doesn't, go figure. There are several schools within spitting distance of Garfield, but Clifton is far away from another school. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
What IS the SB's obsession with closing Clifton???? What is the actual monetary reason? There IS something shady going on.
What IS the SB's obsession with closing Clifton???? What is the actual monetary reason? There IS something shady going on.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Riddler
()
Date: December 18, 2010 01:58AM
Spfld Mom Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, the enrollment numbers at Clifton actually are
> on a decline, but are being held artificially high
> through the use of larger boundaries and expensive
> buses.
>
> Close it for the greater good of the county.
>
> Thanks for sharing that email. It's another nail
> in the CLifton ES coffin.
Riddle me this, Batgirl:
Expensive buses?
The same kids now have to be bussed FURTHER. Let's check out the transportation study to gifure out the real new costs.
Oh, right - there isn't one.
Larger boundaries?
Have you SEEN the Union Mill, Sangster and Fairview - forget the others - boundaries these geniuses have proposed?
Hint: Guess 'HUGE' and you'll be close - now just have MORE schools with larger boundaries than just one rural school.
Declining Enrollment?
FCPS SB said Clifton would have 348 kids this year. They started with 366 {same as last year} and have ADDED 4 kids. That's "up", blondie. 370 out of 374. 99% full - right in the target of that 95%-105% target they want to sardine in everyone's kids
FCPS, sorry, you failed this test. They'll probably just call "opposite year!".
Attachments:
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> So, the enrollment numbers at Clifton actually are
> on a decline, but are being held artificially high
> through the use of larger boundaries and expensive
> buses.
>
> Close it for the greater good of the county.
>
> Thanks for sharing that email. It's another nail
> in the CLifton ES coffin.
Riddle me this, Batgirl:
Expensive buses?
The same kids now have to be bussed FURTHER. Let's check out the transportation study to gifure out the real new costs.
Oh, right - there isn't one.
Larger boundaries?
Have you SEEN the Union Mill, Sangster and Fairview - forget the others - boundaries these geniuses have proposed?
Hint: Guess 'HUGE' and you'll be close - now just have MORE schools with larger boundaries than just one rural school.
Declining Enrollment?
FCPS SB said Clifton would have 348 kids this year. They started with 366 {same as last year} and have ADDED 4 kids. That's "up", blondie. 370 out of 374. 99% full - right in the target of that 95%-105% target they want to sardine in everyone's kids
FCPS, sorry, you failed this test. They'll probably just call "opposite year!".
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sangster
()
Date: December 18, 2010 09:31AM
H8 Clifton Wrote:
>
>
> Typical bigoted and rascist Cliftonite.
>
> Our kids will welcome some of your mini-rascists
> at Sangster, and then pummel the hell out of
> them.
>
> Take care!
What was racist about what the posted said? Just an anti-Springfield rant. And, if you're going to be honest, there isn't much that can be said good about Springfield. It's old and crumbling with a few pockets of goodness awash in an ocean of decay. See Springfield Mall for an example. Older than Tyson's, yet Tyson's has revitalized itself and expanded while SM has turned into a crime haven full of prostitutes and MS13 gangbangers <====not racist, just true BTW.
>
>
> Typical bigoted and rascist Cliftonite.
>
> Our kids will welcome some of your mini-rascists
> at Sangster, and then pummel the hell out of
> them.
>
> Take care!
What was racist about what the posted said? Just an anti-Springfield rant. And, if you're going to be honest, there isn't much that can be said good about Springfield. It's old and crumbling with a few pockets of goodness awash in an ocean of decay. See Springfield Mall for an example. Older than Tyson's, yet Tyson's has revitalized itself and expanded while SM has turned into a crime haven full of prostitutes and MS13 gangbangers <====not racist, just true BTW.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Fact Checker
()
Date: December 18, 2010 10:27AM
Sangster Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> What was racist about what the posted said? Just
> an anti-Springfield rant. And, if you're going to
> be honest, there isn't much that can be said good
> about Springfield. It's old and crumbling with a
> few pockets of goodness awash in an ocean of
> decay. See Springfield Mall for an example.
> Older than Tyson's, yet Tyson's has revitalized
> itself and expanded while SM has turned into a
> crime haven full of prostitutes and MS13
> gangbangers <====not racist, just true BTW.
Not that I've set foot in Springfield Mall for years, but it was opened after Tysons, though before the Galleria.
It's a shame that Landmark and Springfield Mall have such lousy reputations now. Where do fashionable ladies like Liz Bradsher go to buy their protective gear? Fair Oaks?
-------------------------------------------------------
> What was racist about what the posted said? Just
> an anti-Springfield rant. And, if you're going to
> be honest, there isn't much that can be said good
> about Springfield. It's old and crumbling with a
> few pockets of goodness awash in an ocean of
> decay. See Springfield Mall for an example.
> Older than Tyson's, yet Tyson's has revitalized
> itself and expanded while SM has turned into a
> crime haven full of prostitutes and MS13
> gangbangers <====not racist, just true BTW.
Not that I've set foot in Springfield Mall for years, but it was opened after Tysons, though before the Galleria.
It's a shame that Landmark and Springfield Mall have such lousy reputations now. Where do fashionable ladies like Liz Bradsher go to buy their protective gear? Fair Oaks?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Patterns-agree with herewegoagain
()
Date: December 18, 2010 04:42PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> H8 Clifton Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Springfield = Ghetto Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > > Anyone from Springfield is a hillbilly. A
> mom
> > > from Springfield is, on average, 15 years old.
>
> > A
> > > grandma in Springfield is, on average, 32.
> The
> > > fact that you admit your from that hell hole
> > > proves your IQ is below room temperature.
> > > Springfield sucks so bad that the upper class
> > > there (you know, the ones with better than a
> > 4th
> > > grade education) have sectioned themselves
> off
> > by
> > > adding "North" or "West" in front of
> Shitfield.
> >
> >
> > Typical bigoted and rascist Cliftonite.
> >
> > Our kids will welcome some of your
> mini-rascists
> > at Sangster, and then pummel the hell out of
> > them.
> >
> > Take care!
>
>
> And you know the above was written by someone in
> Clifton because???? You DON'T! So STFU and move
> along.
I'm noticing a pattern in the posts. It involves 3 steps.
1. Liz or her buddy posts a Lizzy-loving post. For example, "Liz is the best" or "Clifton people, just get over it and move on!"
2. Same person then posts a hateful, angry message. This one is crafted to sound like an angry Clifton parent or resident. Hate spews from this message.
3. Same person then pretends to be a shocked reader, remarks how AWFUL Clifton people are. Don't forget to throw in the word "elite" for good measure.
All designed to point out how HORRIBLE people from Clifton are acting.
Just keep in mind that things are not always as they seem.
Attachments:
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> H8 Clifton Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Springfield = Ghetto Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > > Anyone from Springfield is a hillbilly. A
> mom
> > > from Springfield is, on average, 15 years old.
>
> > A
> > > grandma in Springfield is, on average, 32.
> The
> > > fact that you admit your from that hell hole
> > > proves your IQ is below room temperature.
> > > Springfield sucks so bad that the upper class
> > > there (you know, the ones with better than a
> > 4th
> > > grade education) have sectioned themselves
> off
> > by
> > > adding "North" or "West" in front of
> Shitfield.
> >
> >
> > Typical bigoted and rascist Cliftonite.
> >
> > Our kids will welcome some of your
> mini-rascists
> > at Sangster, and then pummel the hell out of
> > them.
> >
> > Take care!
>
>
> And you know the above was written by someone in
> Clifton because???? You DON'T! So STFU and move
> along.
I'm noticing a pattern in the posts. It involves 3 steps.
1. Liz or her buddy posts a Lizzy-loving post. For example, "Liz is the best" or "Clifton people, just get over it and move on!"
2. Same person then posts a hateful, angry message. This one is crafted to sound like an angry Clifton parent or resident. Hate spews from this message.
3. Same person then pretends to be a shocked reader, remarks how AWFUL Clifton people are. Don't forget to throw in the word "elite" for good measure.
All designed to point out how HORRIBLE people from Clifton are acting.
Just keep in mind that things are not always as they seem.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LaLaLand
()
Date: December 19, 2010 10:39AM
Why would Liz care what anyone says about her on this discussion board?
Just anotehr fine example of how those who reply on this discussion board are out of touch with reality.
While I find the e-mails posted as part of the VaFOIA request interesting, I can only image what the e-mails from the Clifton supports look like. I would be interesting to see how objective thse replies were. Where are they?
That said, as an outsider looking in, I can agree that FCPS has a lot to offer but that it also has a lot that needs repair. I just don't beleive that anyone is going to be heard (their "voices") when they take such an negative and attacking position. Additionally, has it ever occured to any of you that facilities is the one who is paid to make the decisions here? If you want change, perhaps the best place to start is to convince facilities of the need for the change (or convince the scool board that they need a new superintendant).
Cheers, and enjoy the 1/2 empty glass of whatever it is you are drinking (becuase I could use some too).
Just anotehr fine example of how those who reply on this discussion board are out of touch with reality.
While I find the e-mails posted as part of the VaFOIA request interesting, I can only image what the e-mails from the Clifton supports look like. I would be interesting to see how objective thse replies were. Where are they?
That said, as an outsider looking in, I can agree that FCPS has a lot to offer but that it also has a lot that needs repair. I just don't beleive that anyone is going to be heard (their "voices") when they take such an negative and attacking position. Additionally, has it ever occured to any of you that facilities is the one who is paid to make the decisions here? If you want change, perhaps the best place to start is to convince facilities of the need for the change (or convince the scool board that they need a new superintendant).
Cheers, and enjoy the 1/2 empty glass of whatever it is you are drinking (becuase I could use some too).
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: December 19, 2010 02:42PM
Sorry, but if you think that "facilities" are making all the decisions, you're wrong. Not to say that Jack Dale and Tisdadt don't need to go, they do, but the SB is pulling the strings.
And if staff and facilities are making all the decisions, that's a problem. The SB is elected to represent it's constituents, and make the decisions based on the needs of taxpayers, yes, all taxpayers.
Since everyone that is in favor of closing Clifton seems to be unable to understand why Clifton parents are upset, please explain to us exactly who benefits from closing this school?
The kids? Not likely. How will they benefit? Because they'll make more friends? They also lose touch with the friends they already have, so that's a wash. Better education because they go to a different school? Not likely. There's not much room for improvement in their current education. Not bragging, just a fact. Will the kids "suffer"? Of course not, but they certainly won't benefit either.
So, will the parents/taxpayers benefit? How? By paying more $$ for more additions and longer/more expensive bus rides for the students? How does that benefit parents or taxpayers?
Do the schools receiving the kids/additions benefit? How? By increasing the size of already large schools and reducing the amount of resources at those schools? How does that benefit the receiving schools?
Do property owners benefit? How? By possibly reducing their property values in an already unstable market?
Does Fairfax County as a whole benefit? How???? If property values in Clifton reduce, that's a reduction in tax revenue from the personal property taxes on those properties. Even a MINOR reduction in tax revenue makes a difference to the entire county. Does the county benefit as a whole by reducing transportation costs? We don't know since the SB has yet to do an in depth transportation study.
Do taxpayers benefit by not dumping more money into CES? According to FCPS documents, it's not any more expensive to operate CES than any other school in the County, and in fact, CES costs far less than many other schools in the County.
So, I ask again - WHO BENEFITS FROM CLOSING THIS SCHOOL??? Anybody?
If there is one single LOGICAL, HONEST reason that this school should be closed, we'd really like to hear it. Seriously, we'd like to hear it.
None of the reasons cited by FCPS for closure are based on reliable, consistent data. I think some of the other areas involved in the SW Boundary Study are experiencing that now. Enrollment figures vary on every single document presented by FCPS. How are we supposed to trust any of it?
We all want the same thing - to do what is best for our kids. So, tell us how closing this school will benefit ANY KIDS IN THE COUNTY, and we'll listen. Closing CES was supposed to benefit other schools so they could move up in the renovation queue, but WSHS is still not expected to receive renovation funding until 2017. So how do they benefit? They could have taken CES's spot on the queue and received funding much sooner.
So - WHO BENEFITS?????
And if staff and facilities are making all the decisions, that's a problem. The SB is elected to represent it's constituents, and make the decisions based on the needs of taxpayers, yes, all taxpayers.
Since everyone that is in favor of closing Clifton seems to be unable to understand why Clifton parents are upset, please explain to us exactly who benefits from closing this school?
The kids? Not likely. How will they benefit? Because they'll make more friends? They also lose touch with the friends they already have, so that's a wash. Better education because they go to a different school? Not likely. There's not much room for improvement in their current education. Not bragging, just a fact. Will the kids "suffer"? Of course not, but they certainly won't benefit either.
So, will the parents/taxpayers benefit? How? By paying more $$ for more additions and longer/more expensive bus rides for the students? How does that benefit parents or taxpayers?
Do the schools receiving the kids/additions benefit? How? By increasing the size of already large schools and reducing the amount of resources at those schools? How does that benefit the receiving schools?
Do property owners benefit? How? By possibly reducing their property values in an already unstable market?
Does Fairfax County as a whole benefit? How???? If property values in Clifton reduce, that's a reduction in tax revenue from the personal property taxes on those properties. Even a MINOR reduction in tax revenue makes a difference to the entire county. Does the county benefit as a whole by reducing transportation costs? We don't know since the SB has yet to do an in depth transportation study.
Do taxpayers benefit by not dumping more money into CES? According to FCPS documents, it's not any more expensive to operate CES than any other school in the County, and in fact, CES costs far less than many other schools in the County.
So, I ask again - WHO BENEFITS FROM CLOSING THIS SCHOOL??? Anybody?
If there is one single LOGICAL, HONEST reason that this school should be closed, we'd really like to hear it. Seriously, we'd like to hear it.
None of the reasons cited by FCPS for closure are based on reliable, consistent data. I think some of the other areas involved in the SW Boundary Study are experiencing that now. Enrollment figures vary on every single document presented by FCPS. How are we supposed to trust any of it?
We all want the same thing - to do what is best for our kids. So, tell us how closing this school will benefit ANY KIDS IN THE COUNTY, and we'll listen. Closing CES was supposed to benefit other schools so they could move up in the renovation queue, but WSHS is still not expected to receive renovation funding until 2017. So how do they benefit? They could have taken CES's spot on the queue and received funding much sooner.
So - WHO BENEFITS?????
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
riddle_me_this_batman?
()
Date: December 19, 2010 08:58PM
If you are so convinced that Liz wanted CES closed to move WSHS up for renovation and that the SB is running the show, why then is WSHS not getting the renovation money until 2017 in the CIP?
It makes little sense to assume that the SB is running the shpw. They run the show to the extent that the picked Dr. Dale (who then picked staff) and perhaps they provide some direction here and there, but from where I'm sitting it seems quite clear that facilities runs the show and the SB merely file suite.
As to who benefits, I'm not sure that it is about finding out who benefits and who doesn't. It was a matter of cost per student as far as I can tell. While the best solution may have been to do nothing at all, I honestly believe that staff wanted to throw the Clifton community a bone and build a new 800 seat elementary school. That was squashed by a few who really fought against the Liberty site because they didn't want a new school in their area. Quite a shame!
It makes little sense to assume that the SB is running the shpw. They run the show to the extent that the picked Dr. Dale (who then picked staff) and perhaps they provide some direction here and there, but from where I'm sitting it seems quite clear that facilities runs the show and the SB merely file suite.
As to who benefits, I'm not sure that it is about finding out who benefits and who doesn't. It was a matter of cost per student as far as I can tell. While the best solution may have been to do nothing at all, I honestly believe that staff wanted to throw the Clifton community a bone and build a new 800 seat elementary school. That was squashed by a few who really fought against the Liberty site because they didn't want a new school in their area. Quite a shame!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
really?
()
Date: December 19, 2010 09:53PM
Okay. So we have no SB. Sounds like a HUGE problem if the school board is not doing its job. They just let Dale and Tisdale do their jobs?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
New school was not a bone
()
Date: December 19, 2010 11:17PM
riddle_me_this_batman? Wrote:
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> If you are so convinced that Liz wanted CES closed
> to move WSHS up for renovation and that the SB is
> running the show, why then is WSHS not getting the
> renovation money until 2017 in the CIP?
>
> It makes little sense to assume that the SB is
> running the shpw. They run the show to the extent
> that the picked Dr. Dale (who then picked staff)
> and perhaps they provide some direction here and
> there, but from where I'm sitting it seems quite
> clear that facilities runs the show and the SB
> merely file suite.
>
> As to who benefits, I'm not sure that it is about
> finding out who benefits and who doesn't. It was a
> matter of cost per student as far as I can tell.
> While the best solution may have been to do
> nothing at all, I honestly believe that staff
> wanted to throw the Clifton community a bone and
> build a new 800 seat elementary school. That was
> squashed by a few who really fought against the
> Liberty site because they didn't want a new school
> in their area. Quite a shame!
Who says Clifton residents "DIDN'T WANT a new school in their area?" Please get your facts straight. For one, the new school was first poised to be 950 students to help offset overcrowding very far away. That makes no sense. So it was challenged. Keep in mind that other residents (Union Mill area) also did not want another school nearby - there are already so many on a two-lane road. In addition, the reasons cited for closing Clifton and moving all students to the new school were not valid. Then, it was found that there was asbestos on the site of the proposed new school. You make it sound like Clifton residents turned down an offer to build a nice new school in place of the existing one. That was not what happened.
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> If you are so convinced that Liz wanted CES closed
> to move WSHS up for renovation and that the SB is
> running the show, why then is WSHS not getting the
> renovation money until 2017 in the CIP?
>
> It makes little sense to assume that the SB is
> running the shpw. They run the show to the extent
> that the picked Dr. Dale (who then picked staff)
> and perhaps they provide some direction here and
> there, but from where I'm sitting it seems quite
> clear that facilities runs the show and the SB
> merely file suite.
>
> As to who benefits, I'm not sure that it is about
> finding out who benefits and who doesn't. It was a
> matter of cost per student as far as I can tell.
> While the best solution may have been to do
> nothing at all, I honestly believe that staff
> wanted to throw the Clifton community a bone and
> build a new 800 seat elementary school. That was
> squashed by a few who really fought against the
> Liberty site because they didn't want a new school
> in their area. Quite a shame!
Who says Clifton residents "DIDN'T WANT a new school in their area?" Please get your facts straight. For one, the new school was first poised to be 950 students to help offset overcrowding very far away. That makes no sense. So it was challenged. Keep in mind that other residents (Union Mill area) also did not want another school nearby - there are already so many on a two-lane road. In addition, the reasons cited for closing Clifton and moving all students to the new school were not valid. Then, it was found that there was asbestos on the site of the proposed new school. You make it sound like Clifton residents turned down an offer to build a nice new school in place of the existing one. That was not what happened.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
will she run?
()
Date: December 20, 2010 04:52PM
Has Liz Bradsher publically said that she will not run next year?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Is she is smart
()
Date: December 20, 2010 05:23PM
Liz Bradsher will move out of Virginia. Nobody likes her except the ABC store.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Cassie Doesn't Share?
()
Date: December 20, 2010 07:38PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> Wait, Cassie is an FCPS employee (fcps.edu e-mail
> address)? I didn't think FCPS employees were
> allowed on the FPAC group. How the heck did she
> get around that one?
Dunno but she wanted to rule the data and facts
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> Wait, Cassie is an FCPS employee (fcps.edu e-mail
> address)? I didn't think FCPS employees were
> allowed on the FPAC group. How the heck did she
> get around that one?
Dunno but she wanted to rule the data and facts
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Running?
()
Date: December 20, 2010 07:47PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg
The only running Liz will be doing is to "RUN AWAY!"
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The only running Liz will be doing is to "RUN AWAY!"
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FCPS, Fraud and You
()
Date: December 20, 2010 08:47PM
> Who says Clifton residents "DIDN'T WANT a new
> school in their area?" Please get your facts
> straight. For one, the new school was first poised
> to be 950 students to help offset overcrowding
> very far away. That makes no sense. So it was
> challenged. Keep in mind that other residents
> (Union Mill area) also did not want another school
> nearby - there are already so many on a two-lane
> road. In addition, the reasons cited for closing
> Clifton and moving all students to the new school
> were not valid. Then, it was found that there was
> asbestos on the site of the proposed new school.
> You make it sound like Clifton residents turned
> down an offer to build a nice new school in place
> of the existing one. That was not what happened.
A new school >>> in the right location! <<< is exactly what should have been done all along.
Instead, the school board wasted a year of everyone's time (robbing tax payers) to all Liz Bradsher and Dean Tistadt and Jack Dale and everyone else to close Clifton.
It is criminal, fraud, waste, abuse and now affecting everyone's kids. And a new school on an asbestos field was the best choice? This is what "staff" advocated for and recommended.
So, now we just get to jam our kids into planned obsolescence in crammed schools with no plans for the future.
Great vision. Thanks a million. I mean, a billion. Wrong again, I mean billions and billions.
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> school in their area?" Please get your facts
> straight. For one, the new school was first poised
> to be 950 students to help offset overcrowding
> very far away. That makes no sense. So it was
> challenged. Keep in mind that other residents
> (Union Mill area) also did not want another school
> nearby - there are already so many on a two-lane
> road. In addition, the reasons cited for closing
> Clifton and moving all students to the new school
> were not valid. Then, it was found that there was
> asbestos on the site of the proposed new school.
> You make it sound like Clifton residents turned
> down an offer to build a nice new school in place
> of the existing one. That was not what happened.
A new school >>> in the right location! <<< is exactly what should have been done all along.
Instead, the school board wasted a year of everyone's time (robbing tax payers) to all Liz Bradsher and Dean Tistadt and Jack Dale and everyone else to close Clifton.
It is criminal, fraud, waste, abuse and now affecting everyone's kids. And a new school on an asbestos field was the best choice? This is what "staff" advocated for and recommended.
So, now we just get to jam our kids into planned obsolescence in crammed schools with no plans for the future.
Great vision. Thanks a million. I mean, a billion. Wrong again, I mean billions and billions.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Jacknald McDonDale
()
Date: December 20, 2010 09:34PM
FCPS, Fraud and You wrote:
>Great vision. Thanks a million. I mean, a billion. Wrong again, I mean billions >and billions.
More like billions and billions spent.
Thanks to Jack Dale [aka Jacknald McDonDale].
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>Great vision. Thanks a million. I mean, a billion. Wrong again, I mean billions >and billions.
More like billions and billions spent.
Thanks to Jack Dale [aka Jacknald McDonDale].
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not Clifton!
()
Date: December 20, 2010 10:02PM
FCPS, Fraud and You Wrote:
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. Then, it was found that there
> was
> > asbestos on the site of the proposed new school.
Damn, that stuff is all over Little Rocky Run and Clifton. Glad I didn't buy a house in those poison infested homes lots.
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. Then, it was found that there
> was
> > asbestos on the site of the proposed new school.
Damn, that stuff is all over Little Rocky Run and Clifton. Glad I didn't buy a house in those poison infested homes lots.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dean's Hiring
()
Date: December 21, 2010 02:27AM
This guy is truly sick and embarrassing.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dean's Hiring
()
Date: December 21, 2010 02:28AM
Check this out - what a tool.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
How can we get rid of Liz?
()
Date: December 21, 2010 09:24AM
Liz Bradsher is a drunk and a dumb one at that. Has the FCPS system looked at her emails? Yikes, this is the lady who cares about our kids? She is a bad example of what is happening in our schools! She needs to be fired.
Hey Jack Dale, get off your ass and do something for a change.
Hey Jack Dale, get off your ass and do something for a change.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz the Lush
()
Date: December 21, 2010 12:03PM
'nuf said
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Klifton Kids
()
Date: December 21, 2010 01:45PM
ah, I see the childish whining continues. I wanna play too.
a sing along:
-
sha na na na,
sha na na na,
hey hey.
good bye
clifton ES
a sing along:
-
sha na na na,
sha na na na,
hey hey.
good bye
clifton ES
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
edna
()
Date: December 21, 2010 01:56PM
The difference between Langley and Clifton is that Langley has Strauss protecting it and Clifton has Bradsher stomping on it.
Enough SAID....
Enough SAID....
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
setting record straight
()
Date: December 21, 2010 02:03PM
New school was not a bone Wrote:
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> riddle_me_this_batman? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If you are so convinced that Liz wanted CES
> closed
> > to move WSHS up for renovation and that the SB
> is
> > running the show, why then is WSHS not getting
> the
> > renovation money until 2017 in the CIP?
> >
> > It makes little sense to assume that the SB is
> > running the shpw. They run the show to the
> extent
> > that the picked Dr. Dale (who then picked
> staff)
> > and perhaps they provide some direction here
> and
> > there, but from where I'm sitting it seems
> quite
> > clear that facilities runs the show and the SB
> > merely file suite.
> >
> > As to who benefits, I'm not sure that it is
> about
> > finding out who benefits and who doesn't. It was
> a
> > matter of cost per student as far as I can
> tell.
> > While the best solution may have been to do
> > nothing at all, I honestly believe that staff
> > wanted to throw the Clifton community a bone
> and
> > build a new 800 seat elementary school. That
> was
> > squashed by a few who really fought against the
> > Liberty site because they didn't want a new
> school
> > in their area. Quite a shame!
>
> Who says Clifton residents "DIDN'T WANT a new
> school in their area?" Please get your facts
> straight. For one, the new school was first poised
> to be 950 students to help offset overcrowding
> very far away. That makes no sense. So it was
> challenged. Keep in mind that other residents
> (Union Mill area) also did not want another school
> nearby - there are already so many on a two-lane
> road. In addition, the reasons cited for closing
> Clifton and moving all students to the new school
> were not valid. Then, it was found that there was
> asbestos on the site of the proposed new school.
> You make it sound like Clifton residents turned
> down an offer to build a nice new school in place
> of the existing one. That was not what happened.
Didn't Liz tell WSHS....2011 is yours?
-------------------------------------------------------
> riddle_me_this_batman? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If you are so convinced that Liz wanted CES
> closed
> > to move WSHS up for renovation and that the SB
> is
> > running the show, why then is WSHS not getting
> the
> > renovation money until 2017 in the CIP?
> >
> > It makes little sense to assume that the SB is
> > running the shpw. They run the show to the
> extent
> > that the picked Dr. Dale (who then picked
> staff)
> > and perhaps they provide some direction here
> and
> > there, but from where I'm sitting it seems
> quite
> > clear that facilities runs the show and the SB
> > merely file suite.
> >
> > As to who benefits, I'm not sure that it is
> about
> > finding out who benefits and who doesn't. It was
> a
> > matter of cost per student as far as I can
> tell.
> > While the best solution may have been to do
> > nothing at all, I honestly believe that staff
> > wanted to throw the Clifton community a bone
> and
> > build a new 800 seat elementary school. That
> was
> > squashed by a few who really fought against the
> > Liberty site because they didn't want a new
> school
> > in their area. Quite a shame!
>
> Who says Clifton residents "DIDN'T WANT a new
> school in their area?" Please get your facts
> straight. For one, the new school was first poised
> to be 950 students to help offset overcrowding
> very far away. That makes no sense. So it was
> challenged. Keep in mind that other residents
> (Union Mill area) also did not want another school
> nearby - there are already so many on a two-lane
> road. In addition, the reasons cited for closing
> Clifton and moving all students to the new school
> were not valid. Then, it was found that there was
> asbestos on the site of the proposed new school.
> You make it sound like Clifton residents turned
> down an offer to build a nice new school in place
> of the existing one. That was not what happened.
Didn't Liz tell WSHS....2011 is yours?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sangster's Playboy Bunny
()
Date: December 21, 2010 02:14PM
With such attractive folks as the lovely Ms. Kinsey as the principle, is it any wonder that the lucky parents at Sangster want to keep her all to themselves?
And who is Sangster anyway. The only reference I could find is a a corrupt Jamaican PM. Is that who this school is named after?
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And who is Sangster anyway. The only reference I could find is a a corrupt Jamaican PM. Is that who this school is named after?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Lush
()
Date: December 21, 2010 02:24PM
Liz the Lush Wrote:
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> 'nuf said
This made me laugh so hard the mid-day cocktail I was drinking came out of my nose.
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> 'nuf said
This made me laugh so hard the mid-day cocktail I was drinking came out of my nose.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Nice Song
()
Date: December 21, 2010 02:29PM
Klifton Kids Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ah, I see the childish whining continues. I wanna
> play too.
>
> a sing along:
> -
> sha na na na,
>
> sha na na na,
>
> hey hey.
>
> good bye
>
> clifton ES
Good one... just replace "Clifton ES" with "Liz Bradsher".
-------------------------------------------------------
> ah, I see the childish whining continues. I wanna
> play too.
>
> a sing along:
> -
> sha na na na,
>
> sha na na na,
>
> hey hey.
>
> good bye
>
> clifton ES
Good one... just replace "Clifton ES" with "Liz Bradsher".
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
benefits
()
Date: December 21, 2010 03:41PM
Hopefully, after 2011 elections, with SANE new members we will be able to save this school. However, let's not forget the small victories:
1. Liz is done, caput, finished, game over, put a fork in her, she will never SERVE anywhere again. She has noone but herself to blame.
2. After Dale's contract expires, he is also unemployable. Ditto for Tistadt.
These emails reveal, unfortunately, what a bunch of doofuses we have running what is SUPPOSED to be one of the best school districts in the country.
There are some positives.
1. Liz is done, caput, finished, game over, put a fork in her, she will never SERVE anywhere again. She has noone but herself to blame.
2. After Dale's contract expires, he is also unemployable. Ditto for Tistadt.
These emails reveal, unfortunately, what a bunch of doofuses we have running what is SUPPOSED to be one of the best school districts in the country.
There are some positives.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sangster principle
()
Date: December 21, 2010 04:50PM
Something about her eyes scare me? Too much Botox?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Drug Test 4 U
()
Date: December 21, 2010 07:10PM
benefits Wrote:
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> Hopefully, after 2011 elections, with SANE new
> members we will be able to save this school.
> However, let's not forget the small victories:
>
> 1. Liz is done, caput, finished, game over, put a
> fork in her, she will never SERVE anywhere again.
> She has noone but herself to blame.
>
> 2. After Dale's contract expires, he is also
> unemployable. Ditto for Tistadt.
>
You are smoking fucking crack if you believe a small village of elitists can have an effect on the election. The number of constituents who benefited are far larger than you all, and we vote.
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> Hopefully, after 2011 elections, with SANE new
> members we will be able to save this school.
> However, let's not forget the small victories:
>
> 1. Liz is done, caput, finished, game over, put a
> fork in her, she will never SERVE anywhere again.
> She has noone but herself to blame.
>
> 2. After Dale's contract expires, he is also
> unemployable. Ditto for Tistadt.
>
You are smoking fucking crack if you believe a small village of elitists can have an effect on the election. The number of constituents who benefited are far larger than you all, and we vote.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
If you vote for Liz you are stupid
()
Date: December 21, 2010 08:31PM
She will screw you behind your back. You think you are so smart. Ha Ha
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Money Man
()
Date: December 22, 2010 12:53AM
Liz is supporting teaching adults these classes as high school students but won't educate school-age children in her own district?
I'm your money man if looking for cost savings, because programs like this need to take a back seat {really, back of the line if ever} to educating the children of the county.
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I'm your money man if looking for cost savings, because programs like this need to take a back seat {really, back of the line if ever} to educating the children of the county.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Money Man
()
Date: December 22, 2010 12:58AM
More budget cuts.
https://aceclasses.fcps.edu/SubjectListing.aspx?CategoryID=10255&ProgramID=191&ProgCatgName=Opening+New+Doors&IsCourse=1&SubjectID=10283&AreaName=Opening+New+Doors
Attachments:
https://aceclasses.fcps.edu/SubjectListing.aspx?CategoryID=10255&ProgramID=191&ProgCatgName=Opening+New+Doors&IsCourse=1&SubjectID=10283&AreaName=Opening+New+Doors
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sangster PTA
()
Date: December 22, 2010 06:32AM
Sangster's Playboy Bunny Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> With such attractive folks as the lovely Ms.
> Kinsey as the principle, is it any wonder that the
> lucky parents at Sangster want to keep her all to
> themselves?
>
> And who is Sangster anyway. The only reference I
> could find is a a corrupt Jamaican PM. Is that
> who this school is named after?
You didn't look very hard. Mr. Sangster is a philanthropist and the spirit of giving is alive and well at Sangster E.S. as evidenced by the $48,000 the parents just raised to build a track at the school. So, keep espousing your ignorance and hate. Those welcoming arms can go away real quick. Would hate to think Bradsher was right.
-------------------------------------------------------
> With such attractive folks as the lovely Ms.
> Kinsey as the principle, is it any wonder that the
> lucky parents at Sangster want to keep her all to
> themselves?
>
> And who is Sangster anyway. The only reference I
> could find is a a corrupt Jamaican PM. Is that
> who this school is named after?
You didn't look very hard. Mr. Sangster is a philanthropist and the spirit of giving is alive and well at Sangster E.S. as evidenced by the $48,000 the parents just raised to build a track at the school. So, keep espousing your ignorance and hate. Those welcoming arms can go away real quick. Would hate to think Bradsher was right.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
PTA decisions
()
Date: December 22, 2010 07:12AM
$48,000 for an elementary school track? Ahem. We used to run on the field and on the playground when I was in elementary school. I guess it's good to train them to run around in circles. Never too early for that.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
PE Teacher
()
Date: December 22, 2010 07:50AM
Blah, Blah, Blah. Another one always talking about.."When I was in school....."
Think forward. Nothing wrong with a commitment to health and fitness.
Think forward. Nothing wrong with a commitment to health and fitness.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
P.E. Teachers are perverts
()
Date: December 22, 2010 09:12AM
PE Teacher Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Blah, Blah, Blah. Another one always talking
> about.."When I was in school....."
>
> Think forward. Nothing wrong with a commitment to
> health and fitness.
Why do so many P.E. teachers end up being perverts? You sound like all the other pervert P.E. teachers out there. Between the drama teachers hitting on the gay boys and the P.E. teachers hitting on 12 y.o. girls, our schools are full of frustrated old pervert losers. Let's fire them all and have only women as drama teachers and eunuchs as P.E. teachers. Frickin perverts.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Blah, Blah, Blah. Another one always talking
> about.."When I was in school....."
>
> Think forward. Nothing wrong with a commitment to
> health and fitness.
Why do so many P.E. teachers end up being perverts? You sound like all the other pervert P.E. teachers out there. Between the drama teachers hitting on the gay boys and the P.E. teachers hitting on 12 y.o. girls, our schools are full of frustrated old pervert losers. Let's fire them all and have only women as drama teachers and eunuchs as P.E. teachers. Frickin perverts.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MORE HOUSING near Eagle View???
()
Date: December 22, 2010 09:47AM
Am I reading this right? Two months ago, Facilities approved an additional 270 "dwelling units" in the Eagle View boundary? Estimated 64 additional students - hmmm.... 270 homes = 37 elementary students. That's interesting math. In exchange for $600k to do IMPROVEMENTS to the schools? I thought Eagle View was maxed out?
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/impacts/86-w-001.pdf
Good grief. Forgive me for being naive, but does this strike anyone as odd? A: estimating only 37 elementary students for 270 units? B: allowing ADDITIONAL development in an overcrowded district?
Is this how we got into this overcrowding mess in the first place?
Attachments:
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/impacts/86-w-001.pdf
Good grief. Forgive me for being naive, but does this strike anyone as odd? A: estimating only 37 elementary students for 270 units? B: allowing ADDITIONAL development in an overcrowded district?
Is this how we got into this overcrowding mess in the first place?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
and affordable at that!
()
Date: December 22, 2010 10:23AM
Here comes more free lunch and cell phones to passed down to us, the taxpayers. Let's keep the fun coming here in Fairfax.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
more emails please
()
Date: January 02, 2011 10:42AM
We want to see more FOIA emails!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
who votes and why
()
Date: January 02, 2011 11:39AM
Drug Test 4 U wrote:
benefits Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hopefully, after 2011 elections, with SANE new
> members we will be able to save this school.
> However, let's not forget the small victories:
>
> 1. Liz is done, caput, finished, game over, put a
> fork in her, she will never SERVE anywhere again.
> She has noone but herself to blame.
>
> 2. After Dale's contract expires, he is also
> unemployable. Ditto for Tistadt.
>
You are smoking fucking crack if you believe a small village of elitists can have an effect on the election. The number of constituents who benefited are far larger than you all, and we vote.
I wonder if the "other constituents" are happy with the expenditures for ACE classes on how to tailor a wardrobe and how to choose eyeglasses? I wonder if they are happy with the new fees that this SB has imposed on them? I wonder if they are happy with the SW Boundary Study and how it is being conducted? I wonder if they are happy with larger class sizes in their schools? How about fewer janitors in the schools? How about happiness with money spent on a new middle school for 300 students? I'm not so sure how dang "benefited" others are feeling. How about the teachers who might not get a raise? They vote (there are 10K employees of FCPS and they definitely vote---as do their spouses). Hey, maybe that's why Dale wants to give them a raise this year? Election year politics. Disenfranchised are more likely to vote this year. Just wait.
benefits Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hopefully, after 2011 elections, with SANE new
> members we will be able to save this school.
> However, let's not forget the small victories:
>
> 1. Liz is done, caput, finished, game over, put a
> fork in her, she will never SERVE anywhere again.
> She has noone but herself to blame.
>
> 2. After Dale's contract expires, he is also
> unemployable. Ditto for Tistadt.
>
You are smoking fucking crack if you believe a small village of elitists can have an effect on the election. The number of constituents who benefited are far larger than you all, and we vote.
I wonder if the "other constituents" are happy with the expenditures for ACE classes on how to tailor a wardrobe and how to choose eyeglasses? I wonder if they are happy with the new fees that this SB has imposed on them? I wonder if they are happy with the SW Boundary Study and how it is being conducted? I wonder if they are happy with larger class sizes in their schools? How about fewer janitors in the schools? How about happiness with money spent on a new middle school for 300 students? I'm not so sure how dang "benefited" others are feeling. How about the teachers who might not get a raise? They vote (there are 10K employees of FCPS and they definitely vote---as do their spouses). Hey, maybe that's why Dale wants to give them a raise this year? Election year politics. Disenfranchised are more likely to vote this year. Just wait.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
more FOIA's - coming up
()
Date: January 02, 2011 01:20PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Cain, Debora L.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/14/2010 7:47:43 AM
Subject: FW: Voter support
Attachments:
Here is a good one for you.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:38 AM
To: 'Connie Milliken'
Subject: RE: Voter support
Dear Mrs. Miliken,
I will do what I believe is right for the students of the Southwestern Study area and for the students of this District. Yes, I won with close to 63% of the vote, more than any other candidate, including Mr. Herrity. There are many other precincts where I also had a strong presence.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Connie Milliken [mailto:cemail_219@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 1:39 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Voter support
Mrs. Bradsher,
Based on the November 2009 General Election and the Special Election June 8, out of the 25 precincts in the Springfield District, Clifton cast the highest number of total votes. In the November 2007 election for Board of Education Members, you received the highest number of total votes for your current Board of Education seat from the Clifton precinct.
Clifton not only has one of the highest total numbers of registered voters who turn out to vote within the Springfield District, there are also children in attendance at Clifton Elementary that live in the areas of the Fairfax Station, Fountainhead, Popes Head and Woodyard precincts which, combined, account for a significant voter base in the Springfield District. If you close Clifton Elementary, an even larger number of voters in this area will likely be highly motivated to turn out to vote.
Little Rocky Run also has a strong voting presence.
If you want to keep Clifton open, NOW is the time for you to stand up and start showing that you want to find ways to keep Clifton open. The voters in these areas are seasoned, informed voters. If you wait until voting time and then cast your vote last and it will be one to save Clifton, no one will be buying it then.
Thank you.
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: lkadler@cox.net; rrobertory1@earthlink.net
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/14/2010 6:58:29 AM
Subject: Fw: Voter support
Attachments:
I wrote her back with a one sentence remark. Also spoke with her countless times on the issue.
I realize now we live in a great community. Clifton has brought this realization into perspective for me.
Liz
________________________________
From: Connie Milliken
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Mon Jun 14 01:38:47 2010
Subject: Voter support
Mrs. Bradsher,
Based on the November 2009 General Election and the Special Election June 8, out of the 25 precincts in the Springfield District, Clifton cast the highest number of total votes. In the November 2007 election for Board of Education Members, you received the highest number of total votes for your current Board of Education seat from the Clifton precinct.
Clifton not only has one of the highest total numbers of registered voters who turn out to vote within the Springfield District, there are also children in attendance at Clifton Elementary that live in the areas of the Fairfax Station, Fountainhead, Popes Head and Woodyard precincts which, combined, account for a significant voter base in the Springfield District. If you close Clifton Elementary, an even larger number of voters in this area will likely be highly motivated to turn out to vote.
Little Rocky Run also has a strong voting presence.
If you want to keep Clifton open, NOW is the time for you to stand up and start showing that you want to find ways to keep Clifton open. The voters in these areas are seasoned, informed voters. If you wait until voting time and then cast your vote last and it will be one to save Clifton, no one will be buying it then.
Thank you.
________________________________
To: Cain, Debora L.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/14/2010 7:47:43 AM
Subject: FW: Voter support
Attachments:
Here is a good one for you.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:38 AM
To: 'Connie Milliken'
Subject: RE: Voter support
Dear Mrs. Miliken,
I will do what I believe is right for the students of the Southwestern Study area and for the students of this District. Yes, I won with close to 63% of the vote, more than any other candidate, including Mr. Herrity. There are many other precincts where I also had a strong presence.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Connie Milliken [mailto:cemail_219@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 1:39 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Voter support
Mrs. Bradsher,
Based on the November 2009 General Election and the Special Election June 8, out of the 25 precincts in the Springfield District, Clifton cast the highest number of total votes. In the November 2007 election for Board of Education Members, you received the highest number of total votes for your current Board of Education seat from the Clifton precinct.
Clifton not only has one of the highest total numbers of registered voters who turn out to vote within the Springfield District, there are also children in attendance at Clifton Elementary that live in the areas of the Fairfax Station, Fountainhead, Popes Head and Woodyard precincts which, combined, account for a significant voter base in the Springfield District. If you close Clifton Elementary, an even larger number of voters in this area will likely be highly motivated to turn out to vote.
Little Rocky Run also has a strong voting presence.
If you want to keep Clifton open, NOW is the time for you to stand up and start showing that you want to find ways to keep Clifton open. The voters in these areas are seasoned, informed voters. If you wait until voting time and then cast your vote last and it will be one to save Clifton, no one will be buying it then.
Thank you.
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: lkadler@cox.net; rrobertory1@earthlink.net
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/14/2010 6:58:29 AM
Subject: Fw: Voter support
Attachments:
I wrote her back with a one sentence remark. Also spoke with her countless times on the issue.
I realize now we live in a great community. Clifton has brought this realization into perspective for me.
Liz
________________________________
From: Connie Milliken
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Mon Jun 14 01:38:47 2010
Subject: Voter support
Mrs. Bradsher,
Based on the November 2009 General Election and the Special Election June 8, out of the 25 precincts in the Springfield District, Clifton cast the highest number of total votes. In the November 2007 election for Board of Education Members, you received the highest number of total votes for your current Board of Education seat from the Clifton precinct.
Clifton not only has one of the highest total numbers of registered voters who turn out to vote within the Springfield District, there are also children in attendance at Clifton Elementary that live in the areas of the Fairfax Station, Fountainhead, Popes Head and Woodyard precincts which, combined, account for a significant voter base in the Springfield District. If you close Clifton Elementary, an even larger number of voters in this area will likely be highly motivated to turn out to vote.
Little Rocky Run also has a strong voting presence.
If you want to keep Clifton open, NOW is the time for you to stand up and start showing that you want to find ways to keep Clifton open. The voters in these areas are seasoned, informed voters. If you wait until voting time and then cast your vote last and it will be one to save Clifton, no one will be buying it then.
Thank you.
________________________________
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz is delusional
()
Date: January 02, 2011 06:40PM
Bradsher insults Clifton because they are trying to keep their school from being closed. Can you imagine Silverbrook or Sangster parents just sitting back and letting their own representative on the School Board close their neighborhood schools, without a fight? She is delusional.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The anti-KKKLifton
()
Date: January 02, 2011 08:48PM
lol, threatening her with votes didn't work out real well, did it?
Of course it didn't - because even with all the Tea Partiers voting in KKKlifton, it is still only one small district out of many.
What a bunch of dumbass KKKonservatives you KKKliftonites are!!!
Say good by to your 1950's era school.
Of course it didn't - because even with all the Tea Partiers voting in KKKlifton, it is still only one small district out of many.
What a bunch of dumbass KKKonservatives you KKKliftonites are!!!
Say good by to your 1950's era school.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
gogo
()
Date: January 02, 2011 09:21PM
Sangster PTA Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sangster's Playboy Bunny Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > With such attractive folks as the lovely Ms.
> > Kinsey as the principle, is it any wonder that
> the
> > lucky parents at Sangster want to keep her all
> to
> > themselves?
> >
> > And who is Sangster anyway. The only reference
> I
> > could find is a a corrupt Jamaican PM. Is that
> > who this school is named after?
>
> You didn't look very hard. Mr. Sangster is a
> philanthropist and the spirit of giving is alive
> and well at Sangster E.S. as evidenced by the
> $48,000 the parents just raised to build a track
> at the school. So, keep espousing your ignorance
> and hate. Those welcoming arms can go away real
> quick. Would hate to think Bradsher was right.
Hello, this is FFU. The comment about Ms. Kinsey was written by some smartass high schooler who has nothing better to do than stir the pot. I guess he's laughing at you for falling right in...
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sangster's Playboy Bunny Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > With such attractive folks as the lovely Ms.
> > Kinsey as the principle, is it any wonder that
> the
> > lucky parents at Sangster want to keep her all
> to
> > themselves?
> >
> > And who is Sangster anyway. The only reference
> I
> > could find is a a corrupt Jamaican PM. Is that
> > who this school is named after?
>
> You didn't look very hard. Mr. Sangster is a
> philanthropist and the spirit of giving is alive
> and well at Sangster E.S. as evidenced by the
> $48,000 the parents just raised to build a track
> at the school. So, keep espousing your ignorance
> and hate. Those welcoming arms can go away real
> quick. Would hate to think Bradsher was right.
Hello, this is FFU. The comment about Ms. Kinsey was written by some smartass high schooler who has nothing better to do than stir the pot. I guess he's laughing at you for falling right in...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz is a BITCH
()
Date: January 03, 2011 05:46AM
Once a Bitch, always a Bitch. This Bitch needs to go ASAP.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
More More More
()
Date: January 04, 2011 04:43AM
Yikes - bristle much, Bradsher?
I hate to admit it, but Liz is a little scary.
Attachments:
I hate to admit it, but Liz is a little scary.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sangster PTA
()
Date: January 04, 2011 07:05AM
>
>
> Hello, this is FFU. The comment about Ms. Kinsey
> was written by some smartass high schooler who has
> nothing better to do than stir the pot. I guess
> he's laughing at you for falling right in...
Backpedaling I see.
>
> Hello, this is FFU. The comment about Ms. Kinsey
> was written by some smartass high schooler who has
> nothing better to do than stir the pot. I guess
> he's laughing at you for falling right in...
Backpedaling I see.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
stupid or a liar?
()
Date: January 04, 2011 10:38AM
Here's an editorial written by Liz on October 21, 2010:
The highlights.....
Don't let facts get in way of a good op-ed
Years ago, newspaper editors would verify submissions to their papers. This resulted in editorials and opinion pieces that provided factual information while affording differing views. No pun intended, but "Times" have certainly changed. Today many op-ed articles are indeed full of opinion, but too often these articles lack factual information.
Clifton Elementary School has 366 students and all students can be moved to successful nearby schools without the necessity of additions or renovations.
Inaccurate op-ed pieces serve little -- if any -- benefit to the reader; they are misleading and dishonest, and encourage false public perception. Facts matter, and our students and taxpayers deserve decisions based upon thoughtful review -- not baseless accusations.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher, Fairfax
County School Board, Springfield District
hahahaha....you read it straight from the Queen B's lips.....no additions or renovations will be necessary.
The highlights.....
Don't let facts get in way of a good op-ed
Years ago, newspaper editors would verify submissions to their papers. This resulted in editorials and opinion pieces that provided factual information while affording differing views. No pun intended, but "Times" have certainly changed. Today many op-ed articles are indeed full of opinion, but too often these articles lack factual information.
Clifton Elementary School has 366 students and all students can be moved to successful nearby schools without the necessity of additions or renovations.
Inaccurate op-ed pieces serve little -- if any -- benefit to the reader; they are misleading and dishonest, and encourage false public perception. Facts matter, and our students and taxpayers deserve decisions based upon thoughtful review -- not baseless accusations.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher, Fairfax
County School Board, Springfield District
hahahaha....you read it straight from the Queen B's lips.....no additions or renovations will be necessary.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sangster's Playboy Bunny
()
Date: January 04, 2011 12:23PM
Sangster PTA Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Hello, this is FFU. The comment about Ms.
> Kinsey
> > was written by some smartass high schooler who
> has
> > nothing better to do than stir the pot. I guess
> > he's laughing at you for falling right in...
>
> Backpedaling I see.
I didn't write this, so I'm not backpedaling on anything douche. The chick is butt ugly. Other than that, I know nothing about her. I still don't know who Sangster was as the school's website doesn't seem to mention it at all.
Not everyone who posts here is from Clifton. The obsession of Bradsher and her toadies to close this school is the first domino to fall that will affect over a dozen of other schools. Schools all over Southwestern FFX are going to be affected and most of the parents in those schools are either ambivalent or downright hostile to these changes. Few actually support it. Just the load-mouthed idiots like you.
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Hello, this is FFU. The comment about Ms.
> Kinsey
> > was written by some smartass high schooler who
> has
> > nothing better to do than stir the pot. I guess
> > he's laughing at you for falling right in...
>
> Backpedaling I see.
I didn't write this, so I'm not backpedaling on anything douche. The chick is butt ugly. Other than that, I know nothing about her. I still don't know who Sangster was as the school's website doesn't seem to mention it at all.
Not everyone who posts here is from Clifton. The obsession of Bradsher and her toadies to close this school is the first domino to fall that will affect over a dozen of other schools. Schools all over Southwestern FFX are going to be affected and most of the parents in those schools are either ambivalent or downright hostile to these changes. Few actually support it. Just the load-mouthed idiots like you.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not Clifton Either
()
Date: January 04, 2011 01:42PM
Sangster's Playboy Bunny Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sangster PTA Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello, this is FFU. The comment about Ms.
> > Kinsey
> > > was written by some smartass high schooler
> who
> > has
> > > nothing better to do than stir the pot. I
> guess
> > > he's laughing at you for falling right in...
> >
> > Backpedaling I see.
>
>
> I didn't write this, so I'm not backpedaling on
> anything douche. The chick is butt ugly. Other
> than that, I know nothing about her. I still
> don't know who Sangster was as the school's
> website doesn't seem to mention it at all.
>
> Not everyone who posts here is from Clifton. The
> obsession of Bradsher and her toadies to close
> this school is the first domino to fall that will
> affect over a dozen of other schools. Schools all
> over Southwestern FFX are going to be affected and
> most of the parents in those schools are either
> ambivalent or downright hostile to these changes.
> Few actually support it. Just the load-mouthed
> idiots like you.
AH, HAHAHA! You are so easily provoked.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sangster PTA Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello, this is FFU. The comment about Ms.
> > Kinsey
> > > was written by some smartass high schooler
> who
> > has
> > > nothing better to do than stir the pot. I
> guess
> > > he's laughing at you for falling right in...
> >
> > Backpedaling I see.
>
>
> I didn't write this, so I'm not backpedaling on
> anything douche. The chick is butt ugly. Other
> than that, I know nothing about her. I still
> don't know who Sangster was as the school's
> website doesn't seem to mention it at all.
>
> Not everyone who posts here is from Clifton. The
> obsession of Bradsher and her toadies to close
> this school is the first domino to fall that will
> affect over a dozen of other schools. Schools all
> over Southwestern FFX are going to be affected and
> most of the parents in those schools are either
> ambivalent or downright hostile to these changes.
> Few actually support it. Just the load-mouthed
> idiots like you.
AH, HAHAHA! You are so easily provoked.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
With friends like these
()
Date: January 05, 2011 04:39AM
a complete crack-up that these glass-house dwellers throw stones that Clifton advocates are at issue - seems the goon squad around Bradsher are bottom of the barrel. But then, you are the company you keep, so it suits her.
From: Lisa Adler
To: "'Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)'"
Subject: RE: Save our school! We're not playing nice anymore.
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:34:57 -0400
...Too bad you can’t elude to the fact that they are genetically engineering their community.
From: Lisa Adler
To: "'Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)'"
Subject: RE: Save our school! We're not playing nice anymore.
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:34:57 -0400
...Too bad you can’t elude to the fact that they are genetically engineering their community.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
not funny
()
Date: January 05, 2011 09:05AM
Who is Lisa Adler? I'm guessing she's another West Springfield High grad/Bradsher goonie on SOAR, along with Robertory and Albo.
Does she work for FCPS?
Does she work for FCPS?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
sick
()
Date: January 05, 2011 09:28AM
What is Pat Herrity's role in closing Clifton Elem? He stood by and did nothing. He was part of getting SoCo Middle School built. He went to West Springfield HS, and knew about SOAR's efforts to get Clifton Elem shut down so that funds could be directed back to WSHS. All the while, he was "working" with the Clifton parents, what a backstabber!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
questions
()
Date: January 05, 2011 10:01AM
not funny Wrote:
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> Who is Lisa Adler? I'm guessing she's another
> West Springfield High grad/Bradsher goonie on
> SOAR, along with Robertory and Albo.
>
> Does she work for FCPS?
I thought there was a Lisa Adler who works for some county youth office. Maybe it a different Lisa Adler.
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> Who is Lisa Adler? I'm guessing she's another
> West Springfield High grad/Bradsher goonie on
> SOAR, along with Robertory and Albo.
>
> Does she work for FCPS?
I thought there was a Lisa Adler who works for some county youth office. Maybe it a different Lisa Adler.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Fed Up in LRR
()
Date: January 05, 2011 10:59AM
Have HAD it! Never saw this - She was collecting votes to close CES back in June? The whole thing was a lie and now LRR is going to pay - even though she said making our big school bigger wasn't a good idea.
No wonder Clifton is pissed.
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No wonder Clifton is pissed.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WSHS ROX!
()
Date: January 05, 2011 11:27AM
Fed Up in LRR Wrote:
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> No wonder Clifton is pissed.
Too bad you the Clifton cry babies don't have the votes to do anything about it.
rotflmao
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>
> No wonder Clifton is pissed.
Too bad you the Clifton cry babies don't have the votes to do anything about it.
rotflmao
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 05, 2011 11:58AM
WSHS ROX! Wrote:
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> Fed Up in LRR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > No wonder Clifton is pissed.
>
>
> Too bad you the Clifton cry babies don't have the
> votes to do anything about it.
>
> rotflmao
Once you graduate from high school, which judging from your spelling and grammar, could be a while, come back and join the discussion. Until then, go away troll.
However, speaking of WSHS, they are still getting screwed. It's really too bad, too. As a graduate of WSHS and current parent at CES, I've supported both schools. Interesting that Liz Bradsher got SOAR fired up and ready to write those letters to the SB urging them to close CES so WSHS could be moved up the queue. Yet according to the CIP, WSHS won't start any renovations until 2017, at the earliest!
SOAR/WSHS and Clifton need to join forces and get that nightmare of a so-called representative, Liz Bradsher, out of office.
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> Fed Up in LRR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > No wonder Clifton is pissed.
>
>
> Too bad you the Clifton cry babies don't have the
> votes to do anything about it.
>
> rotflmao
Once you graduate from high school, which judging from your spelling and grammar, could be a while, come back and join the discussion. Until then, go away troll.
However, speaking of WSHS, they are still getting screwed. It's really too bad, too. As a graduate of WSHS and current parent at CES, I've supported both schools. Interesting that Liz Bradsher got SOAR fired up and ready to write those letters to the SB urging them to close CES so WSHS could be moved up the queue. Yet according to the CIP, WSHS won't start any renovations until 2017, at the earliest!
SOAR/WSHS and Clifton need to join forces and get that nightmare of a so-called representative, Liz Bradsher, out of office.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Say WHAT?!
()
Date: January 05, 2011 12:16PM
so much for waiting for the subcommittee to turn in their report, hold a public hearing, legitimately evaluate alll information and THEN decide.
apparently too risky to do it right, just needed to get it done it their way.
'i am not a crook' will be bradsher's next campaign slogan - what about tistadt?
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apparently too risky to do it right, just needed to get it done it their way.
'i am not a crook' will be bradsher's next campaign slogan - what about tistadt?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
IR Edumacated
()
Date: January 05, 2011 12:23PM
Did Liz go to Vanderbilt or Vanbytheriver?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
jjj
()
Date: January 05, 2011 12:41PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
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>
> However, speaking of WSHS, they are still getting
> screwed. It's really too bad, too. As a graduate
> of WSHS and current parent at CES, I've supported
> both schools. Interesting that Liz Bradsher got
> SOAR fired up and ready to write those letters to
> the SB urging them to close CES so WSHS could be
> moved up the queue. Yet according to the CIP,
> WSHS won't start any renovations until 2017, at
> the earliest!
>
> SOAR/WSHS and Clifton need to join forces and get
> that nightmare of a so-called representative, Liz
> Bradsher, out of office.
This is how it seemed to me, too. The "new" renovation date for WSHS isn't that much of a change. Seems like Liz's new middle school in South County and Langley's renovations still have priority. Closing Clifton does not "help" anyone's school, and it certainly doesn't help the current students of Clifton Elementary. Why not keep Clifton open for another 2 years? They could re-evaluate the situation in 2013.
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>
> However, speaking of WSHS, they are still getting
> screwed. It's really too bad, too. As a graduate
> of WSHS and current parent at CES, I've supported
> both schools. Interesting that Liz Bradsher got
> SOAR fired up and ready to write those letters to
> the SB urging them to close CES so WSHS could be
> moved up the queue. Yet according to the CIP,
> WSHS won't start any renovations until 2017, at
> the earliest!
>
> SOAR/WSHS and Clifton need to join forces and get
> that nightmare of a so-called representative, Liz
> Bradsher, out of office.
This is how it seemed to me, too. The "new" renovation date for WSHS isn't that much of a change. Seems like Liz's new middle school in South County and Langley's renovations still have priority. Closing Clifton does not "help" anyone's school, and it certainly doesn't help the current students of Clifton Elementary. Why not keep Clifton open for another 2 years? They could re-evaluate the situation in 2013.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LeisureReader
()
Date: January 05, 2011 12:56PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: James, Denise
CC:
Subject: Re: Clifton Elementary School
Date: 6/4/2010 2:35:52 PM
I have a splitting headache. Can I call you on the meeting--
he claimed the process was flawed and staff ill prepared.
Sigh...
________________________________________
From: James, Denise
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Fri Jun 04 14:32:14 2010
Subject: RE: Clifton Elementary School
His comments completely ignore the realities of the site - if we don’t want to renovate on the site due to topographical and water constraints, where is the logic in building a new school at the Clifton site? - how was your rendez-vous with Charlie at “high-noon†?
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:29 PM
To: James, Denise
Subject: Fw: Clifton Elementary School
More for your day...
________________________________________
From: Hollaway, William R.
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Fri Jun 04 12:57:30 2010
Subject: RE: Clifton Elementary School
Liz,
I really appreciate the fact that you are thinking deeply through these issues.
It seems to me that there has to be a way to drive the cost per student number down, which seems to be a concern. With creative minds, it seems like we could figure out a way to have the school hold the number of students that it has held for the past 10 years, and not design it down to a smaller number. Engineers and contractors I have spoken with that have looked at the plans believe it could be done. Also, I heard that the Staff has come up with a new plan to design a smaller, tailored school for the Liberty/Union Mill site. The Staff's creativity could be applied to the Clifton Elementary site as well. The new smaller school they have come up with likely would fit on the Clifton site. (note that the footprint in square feet is larger than the typical model school.) If the Staff really wants to build a new structure instead of using an existing structure, I could get behind that approach.
The real issue is the location. It is not about the building itself (old/new/renovated). The Clifton Elementary site is a great location, for many reasons. That is why the community is so passionate about this issue. The Liberty/Union Mill site is a poor location for a new elementary school. The right location that is needed for the overcrowding hasn't been acquired by FCPS yet.
It would be a shame to destroy a great school, build a compromised school, and lose the opportunity to build the right school.
I think we can do better and that there are enough smart people amount the group of us to put a plan together that will work for everyone.
I would like to work with you to craft a solution that will be a win-win for all of us. There is enough flexibility here to make it happen.
I am at your disposal if you ever want to meet or talk.
- Bill
William R. Hollaway, Ph.D.
To: James, Denise
CC:
Subject: Re: Clifton Elementary School
Date: 6/4/2010 2:35:52 PM
I have a splitting headache. Can I call you on the meeting--
he claimed the process was flawed and staff ill prepared.
Sigh...
________________________________________
From: James, Denise
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Fri Jun 04 14:32:14 2010
Subject: RE: Clifton Elementary School
His comments completely ignore the realities of the site - if we don’t want to renovate on the site due to topographical and water constraints, where is the logic in building a new school at the Clifton site? - how was your rendez-vous with Charlie at “high-noon†?
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:29 PM
To: James, Denise
Subject: Fw: Clifton Elementary School
More for your day...
________________________________________
From: Hollaway, William R.
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Fri Jun 04 12:57:30 2010
Subject: RE: Clifton Elementary School
Liz,
I really appreciate the fact that you are thinking deeply through these issues.
It seems to me that there has to be a way to drive the cost per student number down, which seems to be a concern. With creative minds, it seems like we could figure out a way to have the school hold the number of students that it has held for the past 10 years, and not design it down to a smaller number. Engineers and contractors I have spoken with that have looked at the plans believe it could be done. Also, I heard that the Staff has come up with a new plan to design a smaller, tailored school for the Liberty/Union Mill site. The Staff's creativity could be applied to the Clifton Elementary site as well. The new smaller school they have come up with likely would fit on the Clifton site. (note that the footprint in square feet is larger than the typical model school.) If the Staff really wants to build a new structure instead of using an existing structure, I could get behind that approach.
The real issue is the location. It is not about the building itself (old/new/renovated). The Clifton Elementary site is a great location, for many reasons. That is why the community is so passionate about this issue. The Liberty/Union Mill site is a poor location for a new elementary school. The right location that is needed for the overcrowding hasn't been acquired by FCPS yet.
It would be a shame to destroy a great school, build a compromised school, and lose the opportunity to build the right school.
I think we can do better and that there are enough smart people amount the group of us to put a plan together that will work for everyone.
I would like to work with you to craft a solution that will be a win-win for all of us. There is enough flexibility here to make it happen.
I am at your disposal if you ever want to meet or talk.
- Bill
William R. Hollaway, Ph.D.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
BadgeTosser
()
Date: January 05, 2011 02:16PM
Open process, all input carefully considered - my eye!
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WSHS parent
()
Date: January 05, 2011 02:29PM
jjj Wrote:
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> herewegoagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > However, speaking of WSHS, they are still
> getting
> > screwed. It's really too bad, too. As a
> graduate
> > of WSHS and current parent at CES, I've
> supported
> > both schools. Interesting that Liz Bradsher
> got
> > SOAR fired up and ready to write those letters
> to
> > the SB urging them to close CES so WSHS could
> be
> > moved up the queue. Yet according to the CIP,
> > WSHS won't start any renovations until 2017, at
> > the earliest!
> >
> > SOAR/WSHS and Clifton need to join forces and
> get
> > that nightmare of a so-called representative,
> Liz
> > Bradsher, out of office.
>
>
> This is how it seemed to me, too. The "new"
> renovation date for WSHS isn't that much of a
> change. Seems like Liz's new middle school in
> South County and Langley's renovations still have
> priority. Closing Clifton does not "help"
> anyone's school, and it certainly doesn't help the
> current students of Clifton Elementary. Why not
> keep Clifton open for another 2 years? They
> could re-evaluate the situation in 2013.
HWGA and JJJ,
Right you are! WSHS has been geting screwed for years. Liz just dangles the carrot so the community shuts up about her middle school. SOAR is a ruse of HERS.
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> herewegoagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > However, speaking of WSHS, they are still
> getting
> > screwed. It's really too bad, too. As a
> graduate
> > of WSHS and current parent at CES, I've
> supported
> > both schools. Interesting that Liz Bradsher
> got
> > SOAR fired up and ready to write those letters
> to
> > the SB urging them to close CES so WSHS could
> be
> > moved up the queue. Yet according to the CIP,
> > WSHS won't start any renovations until 2017, at
> > the earliest!
> >
> > SOAR/WSHS and Clifton need to join forces and
> get
> > that nightmare of a so-called representative,
> Liz
> > Bradsher, out of office.
>
>
> This is how it seemed to me, too. The "new"
> renovation date for WSHS isn't that much of a
> change. Seems like Liz's new middle school in
> South County and Langley's renovations still have
> priority. Closing Clifton does not "help"
> anyone's school, and it certainly doesn't help the
> current students of Clifton Elementary. Why not
> keep Clifton open for another 2 years? They
> could re-evaluate the situation in 2013.
HWGA and JJJ,
Right you are! WSHS has been geting screwed for years. Liz just dangles the carrot so the community shuts up about her middle school. SOAR is a ruse of HERS.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to do list
()
Date: January 05, 2011 02:33PM
1. FOIA this Wilson AOL email account and sanction both Bradsher and Wilson for deliberately using PERSONAL email accounts for school business.
2. FOIA Meaghan Keifer AND Michael Frey emails regarding Clifton.
Word to the wise. If you think Liz is a political ally you are sadly misinformed. She is toxic and you will go down in a ball of fire with her. Your political future will end.
Albo, Frey, Hyland, Smith, Gibson, Wilson and whoever is dumb enough to plot and destroy communities with lies and deceit, you have destroyed the public's confidence in government, BEWARE.
We are mad and we will even the score come election day.
2. FOIA Meaghan Keifer AND Michael Frey emails regarding Clifton.
Word to the wise. If you think Liz is a political ally you are sadly misinformed. She is toxic and you will go down in a ball of fire with her. Your political future will end.
Albo, Frey, Hyland, Smith, Gibson, Wilson and whoever is dumb enough to plot and destroy communities with lies and deceit, you have destroyed the public's confidence in government, BEWARE.
We are mad and we will even the score come election day.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Fulbright Scholar
()
Date: January 05, 2011 02:56PM
You can't fix stupid.
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Posted by:
What the -
()
Date: January 05, 2011 03:06PM
Hey Fed up in LRR:
Why is the Springfield District School Board representative sending back door email to the Sully District Board of Supervisor's chief of staff?
Smell that? This just got a lot stinkier. Thought this was a contained oil spill to the School Board reps - leaking into the Sups offices too?
Oh boy.
Why is the Springfield District School Board representative sending back door email to the Sully District Board of Supervisor's chief of staff?
Smell that? This just got a lot stinkier. Thought this was a contained oil spill to the School Board reps - leaking into the Sups offices too?
Oh boy.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Wow
()
Date: January 05, 2011 03:40PM
Thanks for the e-mails. I think I should show them to my 5th grader. He can then see with his own eyes that the SB does not care about him or his school.
I think am going to let him slack off the rest of the year at Clifton. He is super bright and I think he deserves it.
FCPS can kiss my ass.
I think am going to let him slack off the rest of the year at Clifton. He is super bright and I think he deserves it.
FCPS can kiss my ass.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Who's meaner?
()
Date: January 05, 2011 03:43PM
Braddock residents (and especially the co-maligned W/F/OV 'hi-jacker' parents), and PTA Presidents like Nell Hurley, presenting Braddock's own SB member, Tessie Wilson (with apologies for clepping the picture from previous post, it was too good not to use!)
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sums it up pretty well
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Date: January 05, 2011 04:01PM
Who Needs Wikileaks When We Have E-mail?
Newly public e-mails give a behind-the-scenes look at School Board decision to close Clifton.
By Julia O'Donoghue
Tuesday, December 21, 2010
While the world frets over the diplomatic fallout that could come from Wikileaks releasing less-than-polite remarks foreign dignitaries have made about each other, a smaller tempest has started to gain momentum right here in the halls of Fairfax County's local government.
The Clifton Elementary School parent community used the Freedom of Information Act to acquire hundreds of e-mails sent to and from some Fairfax County School Board members earlier this year. Members of the Clifton RED group had hoped to stumble upon a "smoking gun" with regard to the School Board's vote to close their local elementary school.
Members of the School Board, which voted 9-2 in July to shutter Clifton, have said they decided to close the school because its facility renovation costs per student were significantly higher than average. The school system also needs to spend its limited capital dollars on projects that will affect a greater number of students, they said.
But the Clifton community, which offered to take a significantly scaled-back renovation or forego a building upgrade altogether, said they have proved the costs could be kept under control. Many Clifton community members have decided that some School Board members have ulterior motives for closing their school.
They filed a request for the School Board members' e-mails in order to try to shed more light on what was behind the vote to close Clifton Elementary.
THE NEWLY-PUBLIC e-mail correspondence, which The Connection acquired from Clifton parents, uncovered candid but sometimes impolitic remarks between School Board members, staff and constituents.
After all, U.S. officials merely called France's President Nicolas Sarkozy vain in the cables By Wikileaks. Fairfax County Public Schools chief operating officer Dean Tistadt suggested that Supervisor Patrick Herrity (R-Springfield) was acting so strangely that he might be using crack cocaine.
Although no doubt Tistadt meant the comment to be humorous, in email, it’s difficult to tell.
"It must be nice to live in a world where you can make up your own version of reality and then shovel it all around you as you travel around your little universe. I think we have enough evidence here for a search warrant to check his house for crack," wrote Tistadt about Herrity in an e-mail to School Board members and staff.
Tistadt, who has clashed with Herrity over the school system's facilities budget, preferred not to comment on any specific e-mails he might have sent, though he said it is likely he made a few jokes that he now regrets.
"I do have a tendency to banter, and I am sure some of those e-mails are going to be a little bit embarrassing," said Tistadt in an interview.
Herrity, for one, isn't laughing about Tistadt’s comment.
"It is extremely unprofessional and I am weighing what my options are," he said. "I am weighing what my response will be. You have to take a deep breath about these things so you don't overreact."
The Springfield supervisor suggested that Tistadt, one of the most public and powerful figures on the school system's staff, not only owed Herrity an apology but should also be reprimanded by the school board for making the comment in the first place.
"I know that [Fairfax County Executive Director] Tony Griffin and the Board of Supervisors wouldn't put up with that from a county employee. I certainly wouldn't put up with that from one of my employees in the private sector. This was copied to the superintendent and to School Board members," said Herrity.
Supervisor Jeff McKay (D-Lee) agreed with Herrity, calling it a "highly unprofessional and inappropriate way to communicate."
"You don't say something like that. And if you are going to, you sure as heck don't put it in an e-mail," said McKay.
McKay said it was unlikely that a personal gaffe would have such a substantial impact on government operations between the county and the school system.
"I don't think any of the parties involved in these particular exchanges were surprised to find out how they felt about each other," said McKay.
STILL, this wasn't the only personal attack that came to light in the e-mails acquired by the Clifton community. School Board member Liz Bradsher (Springfield) sarcastically remarked that Herrity seemed to think he "walked on water" in one e-mail to school staff.
Bradsher was also publicly attacked in mass mailings by former Clifton Mayor Tom Petersen and Del. Tim Hugo (R-40), who accused the School Board member of "throwing Clifton under the bus" by supporting their Clifton school's closure. Bradsher, who represents Clifton, made the motion that lead to the school board vote to close the school.
Bradsher said Herrity and others not only made her decision to support the school's closure personal but also distributed factually incorrect information in the weeks leading up to the vote.
"I am pretty passionate and emotional about this because it has been so difficult on me personally," said Bradsher.
Bradsher said friends and supporters who wrote sympathetic e-mails to her during the Clifton school closing debate have subsequently been harassed by some Clifton school supporters, since they're e-mails were made public during the Freedom Of Information Request.
"A lot of people from Annandale boundary study won't e-mail me because they are afraid. Anybody who disagrees with Clifton has been painted a villain," said Bradsher.
FOR THEIR PART, the Clifton School community said they feel betrayed by Bradsher. The Springfield School Board member not only voted to close their school, but they believe the acquired e-mails prove she had made up her mind months in advance, when she was telling the Clifton community she was still undecided.
In e-mails prior to the vote, Bradsher does appear to be irritated with many of the Clifton school supporters, taking a sarcastic tone when she describes them to other School Board members and staff.
In several instances, she refers to Clifton school supporters as "flippers" when forwarding their letters to her School Board staff assistant for example.
But the e-mails reveal that Clifton residents are also not always on their best behavior either.
"I did something they don’t like and they are really upset. They are really upset and just irrational about it. They have called me some really negative names and terms," said Bradsher, who lives in Fairfax Station.
BUT PERHAPS THE most serious accusations the Clifton community has made against Bradsher is that she closed their elementary school solely for political gain.
Bradsher has made no secret of her interest in being on the Board of Supervisors and finding money to renovate West Springfield High School in the next couple of years would go a long way toward locking down some votes in the Springfield district, said Clifton residents.
West Springfield, which opened in the late 1960s, has never had a true building renovation. A few large-scale facility failings since 2008, including a sagging roof and warped floor, had gotten the attention of the surrounding community, who subsequently formed SOAR, an advocacy group devoted to getting the high school renovated.
"Liz Bradsher clearly made a deal with the devil and with SOAR. She told them she would close Clifton and get them moved up in the [schools’ capital plan]," said Kate Farrell, a spokesperson for Clifton RED, in an interview.
Farrell and others point to some of Bradsher’s e-mails as proof that the Springfield School Board member closed Clifton to benefit West Springfield.
In several e-mails, Bradsher advises Erik Hawkins, the head of SOAR, on how to strategically gain the most favor with the school board.
She also suggests SOAR members write the School Board right before the Clifton vote to remind them about the importance of conserving money in the schools’ capital fund so West Springfield and others receive funding sooner rather than later.
SOAR coordinated its letter writing campaign on the capital budget to coincide with the vote to close Clifton Elementary.
"And now I think we need to start with the SB email campaign regarding the Clifton ES vote on July 8," said Hawkins in an e-mail to other SOAR members and elected officials.
IN CLOSING CLIFTON, the School Board has been able to push up some of its renovation and new construction projects, including work planned for West Springfield High School, said Tistadt.
"Of high schools, Langley moved up a year or two and West Springfield moved up two or three years," said Tistadt, who added that the decision to close down an alternative high school in Falls Church and the downturn in the construction market has also helped accelerate renovation projects.
West Springfield is also not the sole school in Bradsher’s district in need of capital funding, said the School Board member. Cherry Run Elementary School, for example, is still trying to make do with an "open classroom" floor plan, where classrooms have no permanent walls or doors.
"There are just so many other schools in the county that need this money and there isn’t enough of it. There is difference between what we want to do and what we have to do," she said.
Bradsher said there is nothing unethical about a School Board member and a group like SOAR brainstorming on a strategy to reach their policy goals.
For her part, Bradsher thinks Herrity became deeply involved in the Clifton school dispute for his own political reasons.
Clifton is one of the most affluent and reliably Republican sections of Fairfax County. Herrity and other local conservatives rely on Clifton to help fund local Republicans campaigns around Fairfax, said Bradsher.
MOVING FORWARD, several School Board members have decided to include a disclaimer along the bottom of their e-mails, reminding constituents that most School Board correspondence is publicly accessible.
"We do get a lot of e-mails from people, and I don’t know if people will be more careful about what they say in them because of the disclaimer," said School Board president Kathy Smith (Sully).
Individual School Board members and staff have already started adjusting the way they communicate with each other.
"Now I have moments where I am starting to write an e-mail and then I stop because I think I wouldn’t want anyone to read this," said Tistadt.
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Approximately 85 people wore red shirts to a Fairfax County School Board meeting on June 10 to protest the closing of Clifton Elementary School.
Excerpts From Emails:
On Supervisor Patrick Herrity (R-Springfield) ...
"It must be nice to live in a world in which you can just make-up your own version of reality and then shovel it all around you as you travel about your little universe. I think we have enough evidence to ask the court for a search warrant to check his house for crack."
-Dean Tistadt, Fairfax County Public Schools chief operating officer
Addressed to a Clifton community listserv ...
"The elected School Board member from this school district, Ms. Liz Bradsher, is not a friend in saving our school."
-Tom Petersen, former Mayor of Clifton
To School Board member Liz Bradsher ...
"SHAME ON YOU. Shame. On. You."
-Darrell Poe, Clifton resident
On Closing Clifton ...
"Closing Clifton, destroying an integral part of this community and causing our children nothing short of trauma is what will be shortchanging our children.."
-Virginia Shields, Clifton resident
To School Board president Kathy Smith ...
"Herrity seems to be the second coming, who knew?"
-School Board member Liz Bradsher
To School Board member Liz Bradsher ...
"You are our representative and you are doing nothing to help; you are trying to hurt our children and children across Fairfax County."
-Karen DePaolis, Clifton parent
To a Clifton Community Listserv ...
"Dear Liz, why don't you just tell it like it is ... you don't give a dam about Clifton!"
-Blair Diseati, Clifton community member
"Your e-mail demonstrates quite graphically why further conversation is futile. You seem intent on turning every legitimate concern into an argument about why (in your view) I have no idea what I am talking about — frustrating for you, and insulting for us both."
-School Board member Stuart Gibson
On The Closing Of Clifton ...
"Yet closing it is being considered for one real reason- the school is just too white. Its racial profile is out of balance with the rest of the county and this is simply unacceptable."
-Donald Gibson, Clifton resident
To School Board Member Liz Bradsher ...
"We will have them eating out of our hands, just like we did at Clifton."
-Dean Tistadt, FCPS chief operating officer
To West Springfield High School's SOAR leadership team ...
"And I now think we need to start with a SB email campaign regarding the Clifton ES vote on July 8."
-Erik Hawkins, West Springfield High School SOAR leader
To Patrick Herrity's office …
"I have asked SOAR to send very general emails on the importance of watching [capital] dollars and believe the Clifton issue is not being mentioned."
-School Board member Liz Bradsher
Newly public e-mails give a behind-the-scenes look at School Board decision to close Clifton.
By Julia O'Donoghue
Tuesday, December 21, 2010
While the world frets over the diplomatic fallout that could come from Wikileaks releasing less-than-polite remarks foreign dignitaries have made about each other, a smaller tempest has started to gain momentum right here in the halls of Fairfax County's local government.
The Clifton Elementary School parent community used the Freedom of Information Act to acquire hundreds of e-mails sent to and from some Fairfax County School Board members earlier this year. Members of the Clifton RED group had hoped to stumble upon a "smoking gun" with regard to the School Board's vote to close their local elementary school.
Members of the School Board, which voted 9-2 in July to shutter Clifton, have said they decided to close the school because its facility renovation costs per student were significantly higher than average. The school system also needs to spend its limited capital dollars on projects that will affect a greater number of students, they said.
But the Clifton community, which offered to take a significantly scaled-back renovation or forego a building upgrade altogether, said they have proved the costs could be kept under control. Many Clifton community members have decided that some School Board members have ulterior motives for closing their school.
They filed a request for the School Board members' e-mails in order to try to shed more light on what was behind the vote to close Clifton Elementary.
THE NEWLY-PUBLIC e-mail correspondence, which The Connection acquired from Clifton parents, uncovered candid but sometimes impolitic remarks between School Board members, staff and constituents.
After all, U.S. officials merely called France's President Nicolas Sarkozy vain in the cables By Wikileaks. Fairfax County Public Schools chief operating officer Dean Tistadt suggested that Supervisor Patrick Herrity (R-Springfield) was acting so strangely that he might be using crack cocaine.
Although no doubt Tistadt meant the comment to be humorous, in email, it’s difficult to tell.
"It must be nice to live in a world where you can make up your own version of reality and then shovel it all around you as you travel around your little universe. I think we have enough evidence here for a search warrant to check his house for crack," wrote Tistadt about Herrity in an e-mail to School Board members and staff.
Tistadt, who has clashed with Herrity over the school system's facilities budget, preferred not to comment on any specific e-mails he might have sent, though he said it is likely he made a few jokes that he now regrets.
"I do have a tendency to banter, and I am sure some of those e-mails are going to be a little bit embarrassing," said Tistadt in an interview.
Herrity, for one, isn't laughing about Tistadt’s comment.
"It is extremely unprofessional and I am weighing what my options are," he said. "I am weighing what my response will be. You have to take a deep breath about these things so you don't overreact."
The Springfield supervisor suggested that Tistadt, one of the most public and powerful figures on the school system's staff, not only owed Herrity an apology but should also be reprimanded by the school board for making the comment in the first place.
"I know that [Fairfax County Executive Director] Tony Griffin and the Board of Supervisors wouldn't put up with that from a county employee. I certainly wouldn't put up with that from one of my employees in the private sector. This was copied to the superintendent and to School Board members," said Herrity.
Supervisor Jeff McKay (D-Lee) agreed with Herrity, calling it a "highly unprofessional and inappropriate way to communicate."
"You don't say something like that. And if you are going to, you sure as heck don't put it in an e-mail," said McKay.
McKay said it was unlikely that a personal gaffe would have such a substantial impact on government operations between the county and the school system.
"I don't think any of the parties involved in these particular exchanges were surprised to find out how they felt about each other," said McKay.
STILL, this wasn't the only personal attack that came to light in the e-mails acquired by the Clifton community. School Board member Liz Bradsher (Springfield) sarcastically remarked that Herrity seemed to think he "walked on water" in one e-mail to school staff.
Bradsher was also publicly attacked in mass mailings by former Clifton Mayor Tom Petersen and Del. Tim Hugo (R-40), who accused the School Board member of "throwing Clifton under the bus" by supporting their Clifton school's closure. Bradsher, who represents Clifton, made the motion that lead to the school board vote to close the school.
Bradsher said Herrity and others not only made her decision to support the school's closure personal but also distributed factually incorrect information in the weeks leading up to the vote.
"I am pretty passionate and emotional about this because it has been so difficult on me personally," said Bradsher.
Bradsher said friends and supporters who wrote sympathetic e-mails to her during the Clifton school closing debate have subsequently been harassed by some Clifton school supporters, since they're e-mails were made public during the Freedom Of Information Request.
"A lot of people from Annandale boundary study won't e-mail me because they are afraid. Anybody who disagrees with Clifton has been painted a villain," said Bradsher.
FOR THEIR PART, the Clifton School community said they feel betrayed by Bradsher. The Springfield School Board member not only voted to close their school, but they believe the acquired e-mails prove she had made up her mind months in advance, when she was telling the Clifton community she was still undecided.
In e-mails prior to the vote, Bradsher does appear to be irritated with many of the Clifton school supporters, taking a sarcastic tone when she describes them to other School Board members and staff.
In several instances, she refers to Clifton school supporters as "flippers" when forwarding their letters to her School Board staff assistant for example.
But the e-mails reveal that Clifton residents are also not always on their best behavior either.
"I did something they don’t like and they are really upset. They are really upset and just irrational about it. They have called me some really negative names and terms," said Bradsher, who lives in Fairfax Station.
BUT PERHAPS THE most serious accusations the Clifton community has made against Bradsher is that she closed their elementary school solely for political gain.
Bradsher has made no secret of her interest in being on the Board of Supervisors and finding money to renovate West Springfield High School in the next couple of years would go a long way toward locking down some votes in the Springfield district, said Clifton residents.
West Springfield, which opened in the late 1960s, has never had a true building renovation. A few large-scale facility failings since 2008, including a sagging roof and warped floor, had gotten the attention of the surrounding community, who subsequently formed SOAR, an advocacy group devoted to getting the high school renovated.
"Liz Bradsher clearly made a deal with the devil and with SOAR. She told them she would close Clifton and get them moved up in the [schools’ capital plan]," said Kate Farrell, a spokesperson for Clifton RED, in an interview.
Farrell and others point to some of Bradsher’s e-mails as proof that the Springfield School Board member closed Clifton to benefit West Springfield.
In several e-mails, Bradsher advises Erik Hawkins, the head of SOAR, on how to strategically gain the most favor with the school board.
She also suggests SOAR members write the School Board right before the Clifton vote to remind them about the importance of conserving money in the schools’ capital fund so West Springfield and others receive funding sooner rather than later.
SOAR coordinated its letter writing campaign on the capital budget to coincide with the vote to close Clifton Elementary.
"And now I think we need to start with the SB email campaign regarding the Clifton ES vote on July 8," said Hawkins in an e-mail to other SOAR members and elected officials.
IN CLOSING CLIFTON, the School Board has been able to push up some of its renovation and new construction projects, including work planned for West Springfield High School, said Tistadt.
"Of high schools, Langley moved up a year or two and West Springfield moved up two or three years," said Tistadt, who added that the decision to close down an alternative high school in Falls Church and the downturn in the construction market has also helped accelerate renovation projects.
West Springfield is also not the sole school in Bradsher’s district in need of capital funding, said the School Board member. Cherry Run Elementary School, for example, is still trying to make do with an "open classroom" floor plan, where classrooms have no permanent walls or doors.
"There are just so many other schools in the county that need this money and there isn’t enough of it. There is difference between what we want to do and what we have to do," she said.
Bradsher said there is nothing unethical about a School Board member and a group like SOAR brainstorming on a strategy to reach their policy goals.
For her part, Bradsher thinks Herrity became deeply involved in the Clifton school dispute for his own political reasons.
Clifton is one of the most affluent and reliably Republican sections of Fairfax County. Herrity and other local conservatives rely on Clifton to help fund local Republicans campaigns around Fairfax, said Bradsher.
MOVING FORWARD, several School Board members have decided to include a disclaimer along the bottom of their e-mails, reminding constituents that most School Board correspondence is publicly accessible.
"We do get a lot of e-mails from people, and I don’t know if people will be more careful about what they say in them because of the disclaimer," said School Board president Kathy Smith (Sully).
Individual School Board members and staff have already started adjusting the way they communicate with each other.
"Now I have moments where I am starting to write an e-mail and then I stop because I think I wouldn’t want anyone to read this," said Tistadt.
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Approximately 85 people wore red shirts to a Fairfax County School Board meeting on June 10 to protest the closing of Clifton Elementary School.
Excerpts From Emails:
On Supervisor Patrick Herrity (R-Springfield) ...
"It must be nice to live in a world in which you can just make-up your own version of reality and then shovel it all around you as you travel about your little universe. I think we have enough evidence to ask the court for a search warrant to check his house for crack."
-Dean Tistadt, Fairfax County Public Schools chief operating officer
Addressed to a Clifton community listserv ...
"The elected School Board member from this school district, Ms. Liz Bradsher, is not a friend in saving our school."
-Tom Petersen, former Mayor of Clifton
To School Board member Liz Bradsher ...
"SHAME ON YOU. Shame. On. You."
-Darrell Poe, Clifton resident
On Closing Clifton ...
"Closing Clifton, destroying an integral part of this community and causing our children nothing short of trauma is what will be shortchanging our children.."
-Virginia Shields, Clifton resident
To School Board president Kathy Smith ...
"Herrity seems to be the second coming, who knew?"
-School Board member Liz Bradsher
To School Board member Liz Bradsher ...
"You are our representative and you are doing nothing to help; you are trying to hurt our children and children across Fairfax County."
-Karen DePaolis, Clifton parent
To a Clifton Community Listserv ...
"Dear Liz, why don't you just tell it like it is ... you don't give a dam about Clifton!"
-Blair Diseati, Clifton community member
"Your e-mail demonstrates quite graphically why further conversation is futile. You seem intent on turning every legitimate concern into an argument about why (in your view) I have no idea what I am talking about — frustrating for you, and insulting for us both."
-School Board member Stuart Gibson
On The Closing Of Clifton ...
"Yet closing it is being considered for one real reason- the school is just too white. Its racial profile is out of balance with the rest of the county and this is simply unacceptable."
-Donald Gibson, Clifton resident
To School Board Member Liz Bradsher ...
"We will have them eating out of our hands, just like we did at Clifton."
-Dean Tistadt, FCPS chief operating officer
To West Springfield High School's SOAR leadership team ...
"And I now think we need to start with a SB email campaign regarding the Clifton ES vote on July 8."
-Erik Hawkins, West Springfield High School SOAR leader
To Patrick Herrity's office …
"I have asked SOAR to send very general emails on the importance of watching [capital] dollars and believe the Clifton issue is not being mentioned."
-School Board member Liz Bradsher
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
the real reason for closure
()
Date: January 05, 2011 04:21PM
full day kindergarten issue Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bradsher has always complained that many of her
> schools don't have all day K. I think 35 schools
> county-wide are without all day K.
>
> Are these additions and all of this shuffling of
> students related to implementing all day k in
> these schools?
>
> I have not seen this argued but I do recall seeing
> one of the FOIAed emails that talked about it.
Is anyone paying attention??
All these schools that are getting additions need these capacity increases for ALL DAY K.
Bradsher has always begged for All Day K for her schools.
Isn't this what the Clifton closure is all about? Clifton is the sacrificial lamb so neighboring schools get FDK.
Duh.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bradsher has always complained that many of her
> schools don't have all day K. I think 35 schools
> county-wide are without all day K.
>
> Are these additions and all of this shuffling of
> students related to implementing all day k in
> these schools?
>
> I have not seen this argued but I do recall seeing
> one of the FOIAed emails that talked about it.
Is anyone paying attention??
All these schools that are getting additions need these capacity increases for ALL DAY K.
Bradsher has always begged for All Day K for her schools.
Isn't this what the Clifton closure is all about? Clifton is the sacrificial lamb so neighboring schools get FDK.
Duh.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
With friends like these
()
Date: January 05, 2011 04:31PM
Wow - this one is a Liz Jr.
Really nasty email to HOA President. Supporting saving their school is 'an elitist cause'? Guess she has a major chip on her should that she lives in a townhouse. So very sad, these evil soup nazis and their toxic spew.
Way to pick your friends, Liz.
No wonder those Clifton folks are worried about going to surrounding schools - hope this lady (PTA president none the less) doesn't do Welcome Wagon with her scrapbooking business - imagine her cards? "Welcome to your new school, you Clifton School lover elitists." Clifton needs their windy roads to protect them from crazies like Liz and this one.
Attachments:
Really nasty email to HOA President. Supporting saving their school is 'an elitist cause'? Guess she has a major chip on her should that she lives in a townhouse. So very sad, these evil soup nazis and their toxic spew.
Way to pick your friends, Liz.
No wonder those Clifton folks are worried about going to surrounding schools - hope this lady (PTA president none the less) doesn't do Welcome Wagon with her scrapbooking business - imagine her cards? "Welcome to your new school, you Clifton School lover elitists." Clifton needs their windy roads to protect them from crazies like Liz and this one.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
time to connect the dots
()
Date: January 05, 2011 04:47PM
From: Joana Garcia [parentsforfulldayk@yahoo.com]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/30/2010 8:31:29 PM
Subject: Last weeks meeting
Attachments:
Hi Liz,
I got the feedback from Barbara about the meeting. Wow, 1 person. I am really surprised the staff wasn't there. Sorry for the poor turnout. I am going to keep the push on. Let me know if you have any more ideas.
How did the hearing this week concerning Clifton go? Mike is on travel this week so the boys and I spent the evening having dinner and taking dad to a late flight to London on Monday otherwise I would have been there.
Thanks for your time and I'll keep pushing,
Joana
Ok, what a coincidence. Joana Garcia is buddies with Lizzie and gets a one-on one meeting with FCPS about Full Day K in mid June.
What an interest she takes in the Clifton vote.
Let's see if we can put this all together.
Bradsher tells the all day K crowd if Clifton closes then their schools will get all day k!!!
yipee........
Shaista Keating is the point person and she is a Silverbrrok parent.
Someone help me out here....where does Liz live?
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/30/2010 8:31:29 PM
Subject: Last weeks meeting
Attachments:
Hi Liz,
I got the feedback from Barbara about the meeting. Wow, 1 person. I am really surprised the staff wasn't there. Sorry for the poor turnout. I am going to keep the push on. Let me know if you have any more ideas.
How did the hearing this week concerning Clifton go? Mike is on travel this week so the boys and I spent the evening having dinner and taking dad to a late flight to London on Monday otherwise I would have been there.
Thanks for your time and I'll keep pushing,
Joana
Ok, what a coincidence. Joana Garcia is buddies with Lizzie and gets a one-on one meeting with FCPS about Full Day K in mid June.
What an interest she takes in the Clifton vote.
Let's see if we can put this all together.
Bradsher tells the all day K crowd if Clifton closes then their schools will get all day k!!!
yipee........
Shaista Keating is the point person and she is a Silverbrrok parent.
Someone help me out here....where does Liz live?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
puzzled pop pop
()
Date: January 05, 2011 09:51PM
From: "James, Denise" <
DJames@fcps.edu>
To: "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)" <
ETBradsher@fcps.edu>,
         "Tistadt, Dean" <
datistadt@fcps.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:34:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Clifton ES & Overcrowding Not Unequivocally Linked
Â
Interesting comment from alaine - surprising in fact.
I think closing clifton and dispersing the students among multiple schools is a far worse option that keeping the student body largely intact at a brand new school a short distance from existing school.Without building a new school to replace clifton capacity, more building additions are required which are more costly that a new schoolFinally, I don't think any subcomitte recommended the option of closing clifton and dispersing the population among multiple schools.Denise
DJames@fcps.edu>
To: "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)" <
ETBradsher@fcps.edu>,
         "Tistadt, Dean" <
datistadt@fcps.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:34:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Clifton ES & Overcrowding Not Unequivocally Linked
Â
Interesting comment from alaine - surprising in fact.
I think closing clifton and dispersing the students among multiple schools is a far worse option that keeping the student body largely intact at a brand new school a short distance from existing school.Without building a new school to replace clifton capacity, more building additions are required which are more costly that a new schoolFinally, I don't think any subcomitte recommended the option of closing clifton and dispersing the population among multiple schools.Denise
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 05, 2011 10:55PM
I'm sorry, who was playing LRR?? It wasn't Clifton.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [mailto:ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Kiefer, Meaghan
Sent: 7/8/2010 11:52:33 PM
Subject: FW: School Board Votes to Close Clifton Elementary!!
Attachments:
Meaghan,
The vote was 9-2 tonight to close Clifton. Be sure to tell Mike. I thought you might like to read what Tim
Hugo sent out, he sure is a great “team playerâ€! Clifton has been lobbying to add an addition and bring in
students from LRR. I knew LRR was being played, not to sure Steve understood that.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:15 PM,
Tim Hugo wrote:
School Board Votes to Close Clifton Elementary
Clifton, VA (July 8, 2010) Tonight the School Board passed a
vote to shut down Clifton Elementary School. This is a major
setback for the hundreds of community residents who dedicated
so much of their time and effort to saving Clifton Elementary.
"With her vote, School Board Member, Liz Bradsher threw the
children of Clifton and Fairfax County under the bus," stated
Delegate Tim Hugo. "I am extremely disappointed by this
decision, however, I would like to thank all members of the
community for their hard work and dedication in the fight to save
Clifton Elementary."
The debate lasted for over 2 hours. Hundreds of residents were
in attendance for the final vote, to show their support for saving
Clifton Elementary.
community for their hard work and dedication in the fight to save
Clifton Elementary."
The debate lasted for over 2 hours. Hundreds of residents were
in attendance for the final vote, to show their support for saving
Clifton Elementary.
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From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [mailto:ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Kiefer, Meaghan
Sent: 7/8/2010 11:52:33 PM
Subject: FW: School Board Votes to Close Clifton Elementary!!
Attachments:
Meaghan,
The vote was 9-2 tonight to close Clifton. Be sure to tell Mike. I thought you might like to read what Tim
Hugo sent out, he sure is a great “team playerâ€! Clifton has been lobbying to add an addition and bring in
students from LRR. I knew LRR was being played, not to sure Steve understood that.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:15 PM,
Tim Hugo wrote:
School Board Votes to Close Clifton Elementary
Clifton, VA (July 8, 2010) Tonight the School Board passed a
vote to shut down Clifton Elementary School. This is a major
setback for the hundreds of community residents who dedicated
so much of their time and effort to saving Clifton Elementary.
"With her vote, School Board Member, Liz Bradsher threw the
children of Clifton and Fairfax County under the bus," stated
Delegate Tim Hugo. "I am extremely disappointed by this
decision, however, I would like to thank all members of the
community for their hard work and dedication in the fight to save
Clifton Elementary."
The debate lasted for over 2 hours. Hundreds of residents were
in attendance for the final vote, to show their support for saving
Clifton Elementary.
community for their hard work and dedication in the fight to save
Clifton Elementary."
The debate lasted for over 2 hours. Hundreds of residents were
in attendance for the final vote, to show their support for saving
Clifton Elementary.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: January 05, 2011 11:53PM
This quote from Liz Bradsher in the Connection sums up her philosophy:
"I am pretty passionate and emotional about this because it has been so difficult on me personally," said Bradsher.
Forget the kids or the parents or the teachers. It's all about Liz. She's emotional about an issue if it matters to her. Nothing more, nothing less. Pure, and simple narcissism.
It's like the BP executive who "just wants my life back." Who cares if the oil spill is keeping the little people from earning a living wage?
I know a great way, Liz, for you to spare yourself so much pain - stay the hell out of local politics in the future.
"I am pretty passionate and emotional about this because it has been so difficult on me personally," said Bradsher.
Forget the kids or the parents or the teachers. It's all about Liz. She's emotional about an issue if it matters to her. Nothing more, nothing less. Pure, and simple narcissism.
It's like the BP executive who "just wants my life back." Who cares if the oil spill is keeping the little people from earning a living wage?
I know a great way, Liz, for you to spare yourself so much pain - stay the hell out of local politics in the future.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz the narcissist
()
Date: January 06, 2011 06:24AM
Skeptical Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This quote from Liz Bradsher in the Connection
> sums up her philosophy:
>
>
> "I am pretty passionate and emotional about this
> because it has been so difficult on me
> personally," said Bradsher.
>
> Forget the kids or the parents or the teachers.
> It's all about Liz. She's emotional about an
> issue if it matters to her. Nothing more, nothing
> less. Pure, and simple narcissism.
>
> It's like the BP executive who "just wants my life
> back." Who cares if the oil spill is keeping the
> little people from earning a living wage?
>
> I know a great way, Liz, for you to spare yourself
> so much pain - stay the hell out of local politics
> in the future.
In complete agreement with the above. It's all about her--her ambition for political office, to "leave her mark on the community," and to get another school for her neighborhood.
-------------------------------------------------------
> This quote from Liz Bradsher in the Connection
> sums up her philosophy:
>
>
> "I am pretty passionate and emotional about this
> because it has been so difficult on me
> personally," said Bradsher.
>
> Forget the kids or the parents or the teachers.
> It's all about Liz. She's emotional about an
> issue if it matters to her. Nothing more, nothing
> less. Pure, and simple narcissism.
>
> It's like the BP executive who "just wants my life
> back." Who cares if the oil spill is keeping the
> little people from earning a living wage?
>
> I know a great way, Liz, for you to spare yourself
> so much pain - stay the hell out of local politics
> in the future.
In complete agreement with the above. It's all about her--her ambition for political office, to "leave her mark on the community," and to get another school for her neighborhood.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dog Catcher
()
Date: January 06, 2011 10:55AM
Since Liz Bradsher is a dog, the only job she should hold is a county dog catcher.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
please no
()
Date: January 06, 2011 11:46AM
No, dogs deserve a better person than her.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
gt numbers
()
Date: January 06, 2011 12:23PM
How many GT/AAP students would otherwise attend Clifton?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
ballot
()
Date: January 06, 2011 02:45PM
I will do what I believe is right for the students
> of the Southwestern Study area and for the
> students of this District. Yes, I won with close
> to 63% of the vote, more than any other candidate,
> including Mr. Herrity. There are many other
> precincts where I also had a strong presence.
>
> Sincerely,
> Liz Bradsher
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
> ________________________________
EARTH CALLING LIZ BRADSHER.....
Mr. Herrity did NOT run against you for your BOE seat. In order for you to get 63% of the vote more than Mr. Herrity, he needs to actually be in the race against you. The race in your head doesn't count. Ballots are funny that way.
> of the Southwestern Study area and for the
> students of this District. Yes, I won with close
> to 63% of the vote, more than any other candidate,
> including Mr. Herrity. There are many other
> precincts where I also had a strong presence.
>
> Sincerely,
> Liz Bradsher
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
> ________________________________
EARTH CALLING LIZ BRADSHER.....
Mr. Herrity did NOT run against you for your BOE seat. In order for you to get 63% of the vote more than Mr. Herrity, he needs to actually be in the race against you. The race in your head doesn't count. Ballots are funny that way.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
GT/AAP
()
Date: January 06, 2011 02:51PM
gt numbers Wrote:
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> How many GT/AAP students would otherwise attend
> Clifton?
Looks like around 43.
http://www.fcps.edu/news/SouthwesternRegionalPlanningStudyGTTransfers.pdf
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> How many GT/AAP students would otherwise attend
> Clifton?
Looks like around 43.
http://www.fcps.edu/news/SouthwesternRegionalPlanningStudyGTTransfers.pdf
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
haha
()
Date: January 07, 2011 08:23PM
An article from novacommonsense.com, Nov 21, 2010:
Bradsher pulls 2007 campaign website with Republican endorsement
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Just one day after Liz Bradsher gave an interview stating categorically that she’s not a Republican, her 2007 campaign website – which prominently references her Republican endorsement – gets yanked. Just yesterday morning, the site was up – then my story ran, and now the site is a Godaddy parking page. What an amazing coincidence!
Fortunately, I anticipated this move when I wrote my post and took a screenshot of her website with the Republican endorsement on it.
Here’s a tip – take down the campaign website when the campaign is over. You never know if what’s on there will bite you in the butt in the future. But, then again, it’s not like Bradsher has much of a political future anyway.
Bradsher pulls 2007 campaign website with Republican endorsement
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Just one day after Liz Bradsher gave an interview stating categorically that she’s not a Republican, her 2007 campaign website – which prominently references her Republican endorsement – gets yanked. Just yesterday morning, the site was up – then my story ran, and now the site is a Godaddy parking page. What an amazing coincidence!
Fortunately, I anticipated this move when I wrote my post and took a screenshot of her website with the Republican endorsement on it.
Here’s a tip – take down the campaign website when the campaign is over. You never know if what’s on there will bite you in the butt in the future. But, then again, it’s not like Bradsher has much of a political future anyway.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
No R or D for you!
()
Date: January 07, 2011 10:46PM
Before the Staff presentation to the Board on JUNE 10th
Before the work session and trip to Clifton and Libery on JUNE 14th
Before the public hearing on JUNE 28th
Before the work session to discuss (yah-right) the public's testimony on JUNE 29th
Dean told Liz 'close Clifton'.
But it wasn't predetermined. They considered all input. And monkeys might fly out of my butt.
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Before the work session and trip to Clifton and Libery on JUNE 14th
Before the public hearing on JUNE 28th
Before the work session to discuss (yah-right) the public's testimony on JUNE 29th
Dean told Liz 'close Clifton'.
But it wasn't predetermined. They considered all input. And monkeys might fly out of my butt.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LRRfolk
()
Date: January 08, 2011 03:08AM
Allright, have to admit it looks like they were right. Words don't lie even if our school board memmers do.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
She needs help badly
()
Date: January 08, 2011 08:29AM
She has an unbelievable number of grammar mistakes in her Tuesday, June 22nd letter to Ms. Schultz. I can understand a few, but for a person writing to an important constituent who has taken the time to write a very strong and rational letter, it is unbelievable. It is clearly the writing of an emotional and irrational person (given that she went to Villanova and I would suppose that she learned to write). She talks about Clifton people being "emotional"??? She needs to take a look inside herself---but first she really ought to go to those AA meetings and get straightened out. I honestly feel a bit sad for this lady. Probably worse than Liz is the fact that people like Tistadt spurred her on.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz Bradsher the Fairfax drunk
()
Date: January 08, 2011 09:13AM
I agree with "she needs help". How can this lady be on the SB? I bet the reason her letter looks so bad is because she has had a few. I am going to send her some info on AA.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz is NFG
()
Date: January 08, 2011 10:49AM
Liz Bradsher the Fairfax drunk Wrote:
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> I agree with "she needs help". How can this lady
> be on the SB? I bet the reason her letter looks so
> bad is because she has had a few. I am going to
> send her some info on AA.
She must be on drugs, since she is out of it most of the time.
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> I agree with "she needs help". How can this lady
> be on the SB? I bet the reason her letter looks so
> bad is because she has had a few. I am going to
> send her some info on AA.
She must be on drugs, since she is out of it most of the time.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz is on drugs and booze!
()
Date: January 08, 2011 10:59AM
You should see her at the SB meetings. She must carry a flask with her since she cannot keep track of what she is saying. I know the other board members think she has a problem but she cannot be fired.
I am going to call the cops next time I see her driving around town. A drunk driving arrest would serve her good.
I am going to call the cops next time I see her driving around town. A drunk driving arrest would serve her good.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Morning Vodka
()
Date: January 08, 2011 11:21AM
She did have her V8 - with vodka, a beer chaser, a double scotch, a bourbon slushy, a wine cooler and a vat of merlot.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Good Grief!
()
Date: January 08, 2011 03:32PM
I find the number of references in alcoholic beverages in Liz Bradsher's e-mails quite troubling. Teen drinking is a serious problem in this area, and here we have an elected School Board member who frequently makes reference to the need for booze using a county e-mail address.
Our School Board members should be community role models. Judging by her e-mails and her other conduct, Ms. Bradsher fails. If she has any respect for the position that she currently holds, she should step down immediately.
Our School Board members should be community role models. Judging by her e-mails and her other conduct, Ms. Bradsher fails. If she has any respect for the position that she currently holds, she should step down immediately.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
voice of reason
()
Date: January 09, 2011 03:55AM
Straight to the point and reasoned letter representing the issue. It is this simple.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Say WHAT?!
()
Date: January 09, 2011 06:32AM
Lizzy, you got some 'splainin' to do! You too Ethel - ohh, I mean Tessie.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Tried & False
()
Date: January 09, 2011 03:28PM
col·lu·sion (k-lzhn) n.
A secret agreement between two or more parties for a fraudulent, illegal, or deceitful purpose.
collusion [kəˈluËÊ’É™n]n
1. secret agreement for a fraudulent purpose; connivance; conspiracy
Thesaurus - Noun
1. collusion - secret agreement arrangement, agreement - the thing arranged or agreed to;
2. collusion - agreement on a secret plot, connivance, agreement - the verbal act of agreeing, cahoot - collusion; "in cahoots with"
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University
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collusion - noun
conspiracy, intrigue, deceit, complicity, connivance, secret understanding
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A secret agreement between two or more parties for a fraudulent, illegal, or deceitful purpose.
collusion [kəˈluËÊ’É™n]n
1. secret agreement for a fraudulent purpose; connivance; conspiracy
Thesaurus - Noun
1. collusion - secret agreement arrangement, agreement - the thing arranged or agreed to;
2. collusion - agreement on a secret plot, connivance, agreement - the verbal act of agreeing, cahoot - collusion; "in cahoots with"
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University
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collusion - noun
conspiracy, intrigue, deceit, complicity, connivance, secret understanding
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz and her drunk emails
()
Date: January 09, 2011 04:32PM
I new lawsuit has been filed to make all SB emails released to the public. Liz Bradsher will soon be out of a job. Her only hope now is the Betty Ford clinic.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LAWSUIT AGAINST FCPS SB
()
Date: January 09, 2011 04:51PM
Liz and her drunk emails Wrote:
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> I new lawsuit has been filed to make all SB emails
> released to the public. Liz Bradsher will soon be
> out of a job. Her only hope now is the Betty Ford
> clinic.
Fairfax County, VA – Friday, January 7, 2011 – The content of e-mails released under the Virginia Freedom of Information Act (VFOIA) regarding the Fairfax County School Board’s closure of Clifton Elementary School, has compelled the filing of a lawsuit against Fairfax County Public Schools and the School Board. Notably, the lawsuit seeks to require FCPS to produce and publicly post all withheld secret e-mails and other electronic communications. After all withheld information is made public, the lawsuit requests the Court to compel the School Board to hold a proper public meeting to reconsider – and then re-vote - on all matters relating to the renovation or closure of Clifton Elementary.
The lawsuit, filed this afternoon in Fairfax County Circuit Court by Patton Boggs, LLP, on behalf of Jill DeMello Hill, a Fairfax County resident, centers around multiple public meetings held by FCPS and the School Board last June and July, during which the filing states the “School Board members exchanged substantive e-mails among each other in secret relating to the matters being addressed during the public meetings.â€
The School Board ultimately concluded - in the much-debated vote - to close the Governor’s Award winning and only elementary school in a large, rural portion of the county. The lawsuit states that in communicating with each other “in secret, the School Board violated the VFOIA and deprived the public of observing the discussion among the Board members as they transacted the public’s business.â€
The multiple-count lawsuit includes other charges. In “flagrant disregard†of the Virginia General Assembly’s mandate, the lawsuit outlines that FCPS and the School Board withheld and discussed important relevant information in secret during a public meeting, repeatedly violated Virginia’s Open Meetings laws and that the School Board violated its own internal policies and regulations as defined in its “Strategic Governance Manualâ€.
Virginia law mandates that actions of the government “are not intended to be conducted in an atmosphere of secrecy since at all times the public is to be the beneficiary of any action taken at any level of governmentâ€. Since the VFOIA “shall be liberally construed to promote an increased awarenessâ€, Hill seeks a favorable ruling by the Court on the numerous FCPS and School Board violations outlined in the petition.
Patton Boggs’ filing seeks a number of other remedies from the Court, including the production of all e-mails and other non-public communications sent or received by each of the School Board members during the June 10, June 28 and July 8, 2010 meetings and work sessions and e-mails relating to the renovation or closure of Clifton Elementary. The petition also requests that the Court review the many emails FCPS refuses to produce based on claims that they are privileged or exempt from VFOIA to ensure the public is not being misled.
The lawsuit has been filed as a petition for a writ of mandamus – a type of order from a court requiring a government body, like the school board, to take actions to correct noncompliance with the law. Given the broad mandate of the General Assembly, it is FCPS’ and the School Board’s obligation to prove to the Court their compliance with the VFOIA and Open Meetings laws. The Court is required by Virginia law to hear FOIA cases within seven days. ###
For more information contact: Kim Farrell, Communications Director, Friends of Community Schools
Phone: 703-759-2122 Cell: 443-257-3220
Email: farrell27@msn.com www.friendsofcommunityschools.org
www.savecliftonelementary.org
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
School Board Members’ Secret E-mails on Clifton Elementary Prompt Lawsuit
Actions of School Board officials compel latest filing in Fairfax County Circuit Court
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> I new lawsuit has been filed to make all SB emails
> released to the public. Liz Bradsher will soon be
> out of a job. Her only hope now is the Betty Ford
> clinic.
Fairfax County, VA – Friday, January 7, 2011 – The content of e-mails released under the Virginia Freedom of Information Act (VFOIA) regarding the Fairfax County School Board’s closure of Clifton Elementary School, has compelled the filing of a lawsuit against Fairfax County Public Schools and the School Board. Notably, the lawsuit seeks to require FCPS to produce and publicly post all withheld secret e-mails and other electronic communications. After all withheld information is made public, the lawsuit requests the Court to compel the School Board to hold a proper public meeting to reconsider – and then re-vote - on all matters relating to the renovation or closure of Clifton Elementary.
The lawsuit, filed this afternoon in Fairfax County Circuit Court by Patton Boggs, LLP, on behalf of Jill DeMello Hill, a Fairfax County resident, centers around multiple public meetings held by FCPS and the School Board last June and July, during which the filing states the “School Board members exchanged substantive e-mails among each other in secret relating to the matters being addressed during the public meetings.â€
The School Board ultimately concluded - in the much-debated vote - to close the Governor’s Award winning and only elementary school in a large, rural portion of the county. The lawsuit states that in communicating with each other “in secret, the School Board violated the VFOIA and deprived the public of observing the discussion among the Board members as they transacted the public’s business.â€
The multiple-count lawsuit includes other charges. In “flagrant disregard†of the Virginia General Assembly’s mandate, the lawsuit outlines that FCPS and the School Board withheld and discussed important relevant information in secret during a public meeting, repeatedly violated Virginia’s Open Meetings laws and that the School Board violated its own internal policies and regulations as defined in its “Strategic Governance Manualâ€.
Virginia law mandates that actions of the government “are not intended to be conducted in an atmosphere of secrecy since at all times the public is to be the beneficiary of any action taken at any level of governmentâ€. Since the VFOIA “shall be liberally construed to promote an increased awarenessâ€, Hill seeks a favorable ruling by the Court on the numerous FCPS and School Board violations outlined in the petition.
Patton Boggs’ filing seeks a number of other remedies from the Court, including the production of all e-mails and other non-public communications sent or received by each of the School Board members during the June 10, June 28 and July 8, 2010 meetings and work sessions and e-mails relating to the renovation or closure of Clifton Elementary. The petition also requests that the Court review the many emails FCPS refuses to produce based on claims that they are privileged or exempt from VFOIA to ensure the public is not being misled.
The lawsuit has been filed as a petition for a writ of mandamus – a type of order from a court requiring a government body, like the school board, to take actions to correct noncompliance with the law. Given the broad mandate of the General Assembly, it is FCPS’ and the School Board’s obligation to prove to the Court their compliance with the VFOIA and Open Meetings laws. The Court is required by Virginia law to hear FOIA cases within seven days. ###
For more information contact: Kim Farrell, Communications Director, Friends of Community Schools
Phone: 703-759-2122 Cell: 443-257-3220
Email: farrell27@msn.com www.friendsofcommunityschools.org
www.savecliftonelementary.org
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
School Board Members’ Secret E-mails on Clifton Elementary Prompt Lawsuit
Actions of School Board officials compel latest filing in Fairfax County Circuit Court
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Why da hate mail, Marry Poppins
()
Date: January 10, 2011 02:00PM
Why the hate mail between Tessie and Liz and Nell? Ain't nothing happening to Woodson. Never will! In fact, I get the distinct impression that they are going to try and add capacity at Frost just to keep all of Frost aligned with Woodson. Nice! So please, let's not waste our time complaining or worrying about Woodson. Nothing's going to happen to harm your school which is "practically perfect in every way". Cheers. Mary
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Burke Baby
()
Date: January 10, 2011 02:37PM
Your award winning School Board member.
{Don't know what the Dean reference means, but someone does}
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{Don't know what the Dean reference means, but someone does}
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Been Jack'ed
()
Date: January 10, 2011 05:23PM
So the Superintendent and transportation head {Dean whatever his title is} pushed school board members to close Clifton by lobbying against Hone's amendment?
Scammed, jacked - you name it, they did it.
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Scammed, jacked - you name it, they did it.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Molly Corbin
()
Date: January 10, 2011 05:40PM
Correct. The materials out of FCPS indicate a less than forthcoming or truthful approach by central administration with the public - or even to some of School Board.
Apparently, some School Board members did try to push to get info. Appears basis for this:
http://www.novacommonsense.com/2011/01/08/ncs-breaking-fairfax-county-school-board-being-sued-for-violating-virginia-law/
From: Reed, Patty (School Board Member) [psreed1@fcps.edu]
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 7/8/2010 3:09:37 PM
Subject: Fw: Well results at Clifton ES
Attachments:
Isn't there a requirement to have all data prior to voting? Can't we delay based upon this alone?
Patricia S. Reed
Fairfax County School Board, Providence District
571-423-1084
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
571-423-1070 or Dlcain@fcps.edu
----- Original Message -----
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
Cc: School Board Members; Dale, Jack
Sent: Thu Jul 08 14:14:33 2010
Subject: Re: Well results at Clifton ES
It is not accurate. We got back the results of the bacterial testing and those were fine. We have not gotten back the radiological tests which are the most critical ones.
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Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
----- Original Message -----
From: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
To: Tistadt, Dean
Cc: School Board Members; Dale, Jack
Sent: Thu Jul 08 13:06:09 2010
Subject: Well results at Clifton ES
Dean-
I have been informed that the well test came back without contamination. Can you please confirm this, and identify the implications of this result?
Thanks,
Patty
Patricia S. Reed
Fairfax County School Board, Providence District
571-423-1084
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
571-423-1070 or Dlcain@fcps.edu
Apparently, some School Board members did try to push to get info. Appears basis for this:
http://www.novacommonsense.com/2011/01/08/ncs-breaking-fairfax-county-school-board-being-sued-for-violating-virginia-law/
From: Reed, Patty (School Board Member) [psreed1@fcps.edu]
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 7/8/2010 3:09:37 PM
Subject: Fw: Well results at Clifton ES
Attachments:
Isn't there a requirement to have all data prior to voting? Can't we delay based upon this alone?
Patricia S. Reed
Fairfax County School Board, Providence District
571-423-1084
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
571-423-1070 or Dlcain@fcps.edu
----- Original Message -----
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
Cc: School Board Members; Dale, Jack
Sent: Thu Jul 08 14:14:33 2010
Subject: Re: Well results at Clifton ES
It is not accurate. We got back the results of the bacterial testing and those were fine. We have not gotten back the radiological tests which are the most critical ones.
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
----- Original Message -----
From: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
To: Tistadt, Dean
Cc: School Board Members; Dale, Jack
Sent: Thu Jul 08 13:06:09 2010
Subject: Well results at Clifton ES
Dean-
I have been informed that the well test came back without contamination. Can you please confirm this, and identify the implications of this result?
Thanks,
Patty
Patricia S. Reed
Fairfax County School Board, Providence District
571-423-1084
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
571-423-1070 or Dlcain@fcps.edu
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Molly Corbin
()
Date: January 10, 2011 05:54PM
In reading through their FOIA emails, this is a good one to follow above and School Board member Hone pretty clearly states what has been since reported by their community - what was this whole effort about?
Looks like a huge strategy to close it and can't imagine how better off the county would be if the same amount of energy, even half the energy, was put into keeping it open.
Getting to 'yes' needs to be a mission in FCPS, it seems. They work awfully hard to say 'no' (Fairgrade, SLEEP, West County Boundary Study, Graham Road, Clifton, Andrew Stevens - boy with epilepsy whose service dog FCPS refused to allow in schools). FCPS' gaffe-o-meter is off the charts.
From: Mark Heid [mheid@dcexaminer.com]
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 7/9/2010 11:46:15 AM
Subject: Re: Clifton well results to date
Attachments:
Thanks very much for sending this over, Tina, and for your time on the phone.
Mark
--
Markham Heid
The Washington Examiner
mheid@dcexaminer.com
202.459.4975 (office)
202.459.4994 (fax)
www.dcexaminer.com
On 7/9/10 11:47 AM, "Hone, Tina (School Board Member)" wrote:
Thanks for the call. As you can see, we received DURING the school board meeting, information showing that the water was not "contaminated.". If its not about the water and if its not about the money, then what was closing clifton about?
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: School Board Members
Cc: Dale, Jack; Moniuszko, Richard A..; James, Denise; Sneed, Kevin; Ellis, Fred (Safety & Security)
Sent: Thu Jul 08 19:12:34 2010
Subject: FW: Clifton well results to date
Dear Board Members,
While we must wait for the final test results for radium 228, expected next week, it does appear that the action taken on this well has solved the contamination problems albeit at the expense of reducing its volume. This fix was inexpensive so if the decision is made to keep the school open, it will not be necessary to expend $300,000 to solve this problem or to incur additional annual operating expenses (which were the previous solution estimates).
I do note that this potential expense was not included in the renovation cost estimate. If we renovate Clifton, it will still be necessary to expend monies to construct a water storage and pump system to support the sprinkler system. Those costs were included in the renovation cost estimate.
My thanks to Doug O’Neill for his expertise and all the work done by the Office of Facilities Management to expedite this work.
Dean
_____________________________________________
From: Ellis, Fred (Safety & Security)
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 2:31 PM
To: O'Neill, Doug
Cc: Mutscheller, William; Tistadt, Dean; Sneed, Kevin; James, Denise; Vollmer, Steve
Subject: RE: Clifton well results to date
Doug,
Tks for the thorough explanation of the preliminary results of the analysis of the Clifton ES well water. I continue to appreciate your expertise and suggestions, which have proven to be very helpful and accurate.
Dean, et.al., Doug has advised that we won’t get the one radium (228) result back until next week, but he doesn’t anticipate it to be problematic.
Fred Ellis
Looks like a huge strategy to close it and can't imagine how better off the county would be if the same amount of energy, even half the energy, was put into keeping it open.
Getting to 'yes' needs to be a mission in FCPS, it seems. They work awfully hard to say 'no' (Fairgrade, SLEEP, West County Boundary Study, Graham Road, Clifton, Andrew Stevens - boy with epilepsy whose service dog FCPS refused to allow in schools). FCPS' gaffe-o-meter is off the charts.
From: Mark Heid [mheid@dcexaminer.com]
To: Hone, Tina (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 7/9/2010 11:46:15 AM
Subject: Re: Clifton well results to date
Attachments:
Thanks very much for sending this over, Tina, and for your time on the phone.
Mark
--
Markham Heid
The Washington Examiner
mheid@dcexaminer.com
202.459.4975 (office)
202.459.4994 (fax)
www.dcexaminer.com
On 7/9/10 11:47 AM, "Hone, Tina (School Board Member)" wrote:
Thanks for the call. As you can see, we received DURING the school board meeting, information showing that the water was not "contaminated.". If its not about the water and if its not about the money, then what was closing clifton about?
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: School Board Members
Cc: Dale, Jack; Moniuszko, Richard A..; James, Denise; Sneed, Kevin; Ellis, Fred (Safety & Security)
Sent: Thu Jul 08 19:12:34 2010
Subject: FW: Clifton well results to date
Dear Board Members,
While we must wait for the final test results for radium 228, expected next week, it does appear that the action taken on this well has solved the contamination problems albeit at the expense of reducing its volume. This fix was inexpensive so if the decision is made to keep the school open, it will not be necessary to expend $300,000 to solve this problem or to incur additional annual operating expenses (which were the previous solution estimates).
I do note that this potential expense was not included in the renovation cost estimate. If we renovate Clifton, it will still be necessary to expend monies to construct a water storage and pump system to support the sprinkler system. Those costs were included in the renovation cost estimate.
My thanks to Doug O’Neill for his expertise and all the work done by the Office of Facilities Management to expedite this work.
Dean
_____________________________________________
From: Ellis, Fred (Safety & Security)
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 2:31 PM
To: O'Neill, Doug
Cc: Mutscheller, William; Tistadt, Dean; Sneed, Kevin; James, Denise; Vollmer, Steve
Subject: RE: Clifton well results to date
Doug,
Tks for the thorough explanation of the preliminary results of the analysis of the Clifton ES well water. I continue to appreciate your expertise and suggestions, which have proven to be very helpful and accurate.
Dean, et.al., Doug has advised that we won’t get the one radium (228) result back until next week, but he doesn’t anticipate it to be problematic.
Fred Ellis
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Payne in the Knee
()
Date: January 10, 2011 10:39PM
who'da thunk?
this is a little gangsta, no?
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this is a little gangsta, no?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Say WHAT?!
()
Date: January 11, 2011 12:11AM
liz, now dan, too?
the net widens.
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the net widens.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sheeshy
()
Date: January 11, 2011 11:30AM
Poor Abe Lincoln. First the war between the states, and now a lunatic like Janet Otersen to deal with. I'd move up the date to see "Our American Cousin" if I were him just to get away from it all.
I vote we put Janet Otersen and Liz Bradsher in a small, confined space and let them turn each other into butter (or maybe gin). These ladies are crazy.
I vote we put Janet Otersen and Liz Bradsher in a small, confined space and let them turn each other into butter (or maybe gin). These ladies are crazy.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
why no disclosure?
()
Date: January 11, 2011 11:46AM
Why won't FCPS tell the public how they spend the bond money?
How is South County being built NOW if the funding is deferred until 2014?
It looks like FCPS is hiding something. Why is that crazy to ask for an accounting?
How is South County being built NOW if the funding is deferred until 2014?
It looks like FCPS is hiding something. Why is that crazy to ask for an accounting?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bite the hands that feeds you
()
Date: January 11, 2011 11:56AM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/4/2010 11:20:23 PM
Subject: FW: A response from Liz Bradsher and answers you need to hear.
Attachments:
RE_ Note.msg
Read from bottom up. I responded---apparently not what he wanted to read. Herrity seems to be the second coming, who knew?
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
It is always wise to insult a Board of Supervisors member.
I wonder how that budget meeting will go when the School Board goes begging for more money....
hahaha
These SB members are jokers.
I am betting on no increase this year. Payback time.
Too bad the kids and teachers will suffer.
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/4/2010 11:20:23 PM
Subject: FW: A response from Liz Bradsher and answers you need to hear.
Attachments:
RE_ Note.msg
Read from bottom up. I responded---apparently not what he wanted to read. Herrity seems to be the second coming, who knew?
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
It is always wise to insult a Board of Supervisors member.
I wonder how that budget meeting will go when the School Board goes begging for more money....
hahaha
These SB members are jokers.
I am betting on no increase this year. Payback time.
Too bad the kids and teachers will suffer.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
outside consultants?
()
Date: January 11, 2011 12:00PM
From: Burke, Barbara [baburke@fcps.edu]
To: James, Denise; Cain, Debora L.; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC: Rawat, Ajay; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
BCC:
Sent: 4/14/2010 10:13:40 AM
Subject: FW: breakdown of attendees
Attachments:
SRPS attendance.xls
Here is the breakdown of attendees- total of 45
School, Number of attendees (%)
Terra Centre, 1 (2%)
Union Mill, 1 (2%)
Fairview, 2 (4%)
Silverbrook, 2 (4%)
Bonnie Brae, 5 (11%)
Sangster, 5 (11%)
Oak View, 10 (22%)
Clifton, 19 (42%)
--
Sue Sarber, Ph.D.
Arlington Public Schools
Professional Development Supervisor
703.228.2111
Marshall Building
2847 Wilson Blvd.
Arlington, VA 22201
Fax 703.516.7120
Why is Sue Sarber from Arlington involved with FCPS?
Geez, don't we have enough staff members at Gatehouse to handle this?
Are we contracting work out to Arlington Public Schools or is she a volunteer?
Very odd.
To: James, Denise; Cain, Debora L.; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC: Rawat, Ajay; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
BCC:
Sent: 4/14/2010 10:13:40 AM
Subject: FW: breakdown of attendees
Attachments:
SRPS attendance.xls
Here is the breakdown of attendees- total of 45
School, Number of attendees (%)
Terra Centre, 1 (2%)
Union Mill, 1 (2%)
Fairview, 2 (4%)
Silverbrook, 2 (4%)
Bonnie Brae, 5 (11%)
Sangster, 5 (11%)
Oak View, 10 (22%)
Clifton, 19 (42%)
--
Sue Sarber, Ph.D.
Arlington Public Schools
Professional Development Supervisor
703.228.2111
Marshall Building
2847 Wilson Blvd.
Arlington, VA 22201
Fax 703.516.7120
Why is Sue Sarber from Arlington involved with FCPS?
Geez, don't we have enough staff members at Gatehouse to handle this?
Are we contracting work out to Arlington Public Schools or is she a volunteer?
Very odd.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Better things to do with their time
()
Date: January 11, 2011 12:09PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); tessie..wilson@fcps.edu
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/7/2010 7:03:00 PM
Subject: FW: Communications question
Attachments:
Per your request.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:50 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Communications question
Thanks for the reply. I didn't know whether to meet with the citizens and if so, what to say. I feel like we are often in reactionary mode and it helps to have talking points.
Patricia S. Reed
Fairfax County School Board, Providence District
571-423-1084
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
571-423-1070 or Dlcain@fcps.edu
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Reed, Patty (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Dale, Jack; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Cain, Debora L.
Sent: Mon Jun 07 16:39:38 2010
Subject: RE: Communications question
Patty,
I learned long ago to take what is written in the papers with a grain of salt.
The information you were referring to was from the on-line blog at The Examiner. What was sent in was a press release statement by either Pat Herrity’s office or constituents. The Examiner, as of last week, has begun an online Blog for local community issues. I spoke to the reporter today who asked me great questions and will no doubt be doing an article from both perspectives on this issue. He also read the report and has posted further comment on the issue, it can be seen at: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/blogs/capital-land/cost-at-center-of-potential-clifton-elem-closing-95785694.html
As the District member who has worked on this issue I can say without any hesitation that full transparency has been afforded to the public on this issue and I have spent countless hours with constituents and staff to make sure we have informed the public to the best of our ability. (If they choose to remain uninformed or spin the facts then that is their prerogative, although not recommendable.) The Community Ad Hoc group admitted in their presentation there is not one solution to the problems at Clifton and the other schools in the Southwest Study, rather there may be multiple solutions. Nevertheless it does appear boundary changes will need to take place. What these changes are we do not know because we have yet, as a Board, to tackle the Clifton issue which drives the rest of this decision.
Supervisor Pat Herrity has been very vocal on this issue but not once during the last 7-8 months has he or his staff talked to me about the issues at Clifton. He seems to prefer broad based comments on what the community wants to hear, he does not want the facts. If he did he certainly would have asked me by now. His comments appear to be based upon political posturing which he believes will impact positively upon his campaign for Congress. My decision and hopefully that of my colleagues will be based upon what is right for the students at Clifton and the Southwestern area and what is right for our system.
Personally and professionally this remains a difficult issue for me; however I do not intend to shy away from the public, the press and the true issues and concerns.
President Harry Truman said “If you can’t stand the heat then get out of the kitchen.†---Well it is just now heating up and I am a pretty good cook and hope to remain in the kitchen.
Liz
PS I take risk at writing this in an email but it remains the best form of communication per your email earlier today.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:36 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Dale, Jack; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Cain, Debora L.
Subject: Communications question
Importance: High
I am confused. I thought we had not yet done a boundary study to decide on the fate of the southwest area. Why is the media feeding into the public frenzy regarding Clifton Elementary, and what can be done to address the confusion? People are beginning to organize to protest, as you probably know.
Thanks,
Patty
FCPS in the news:
Fairfax staff recommends axing Clifton Elementary http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/blogs/capital-land/fairfax-staff-recommends-axing-clifton-elementary-95680324.html (Examiner)
A Fairfax County Public Schools staff report has recommended the School Board close Clifton Elementary, an option school officials have considered for weeks.
Patricia S. Reed
Fairfax County School Board
Providence District
Phone: 571-423-1084
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: 571-423-1070
DLCain@fcps.edu
1. Liz feels obligated to forward these email exchange between Patty Reed and herself to Kathy Smith and Tessie Wilson. Why? Let's act like grownups here and not tattle on anyone.
2. Poor Patty. She beleived the lies that Liz fed her. I guess Lizzie burned that bridge. I wonder how willing Patty will be to back Liz on any issues going forward?
Trust issues much?
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); tessie..wilson@fcps.edu
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/7/2010 7:03:00 PM
Subject: FW: Communications question
Attachments:
Per your request.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:50 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Communications question
Thanks for the reply. I didn't know whether to meet with the citizens and if so, what to say. I feel like we are often in reactionary mode and it helps to have talking points.
Patricia S. Reed
Fairfax County School Board, Providence District
571-423-1084
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
571-423-1070 or Dlcain@fcps.edu
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Reed, Patty (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Dale, Jack; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Cain, Debora L.
Sent: Mon Jun 07 16:39:38 2010
Subject: RE: Communications question
Patty,
I learned long ago to take what is written in the papers with a grain of salt.
The information you were referring to was from the on-line blog at The Examiner. What was sent in was a press release statement by either Pat Herrity’s office or constituents. The Examiner, as of last week, has begun an online Blog for local community issues. I spoke to the reporter today who asked me great questions and will no doubt be doing an article from both perspectives on this issue. He also read the report and has posted further comment on the issue, it can be seen at: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/blogs/capital-land/cost-at-center-of-potential-clifton-elem-closing-95785694.html
As the District member who has worked on this issue I can say without any hesitation that full transparency has been afforded to the public on this issue and I have spent countless hours with constituents and staff to make sure we have informed the public to the best of our ability. (If they choose to remain uninformed or spin the facts then that is their prerogative, although not recommendable.) The Community Ad Hoc group admitted in their presentation there is not one solution to the problems at Clifton and the other schools in the Southwest Study, rather there may be multiple solutions. Nevertheless it does appear boundary changes will need to take place. What these changes are we do not know because we have yet, as a Board, to tackle the Clifton issue which drives the rest of this decision.
Supervisor Pat Herrity has been very vocal on this issue but not once during the last 7-8 months has he or his staff talked to me about the issues at Clifton. He seems to prefer broad based comments on what the community wants to hear, he does not want the facts. If he did he certainly would have asked me by now. His comments appear to be based upon political posturing which he believes will impact positively upon his campaign for Congress. My decision and hopefully that of my colleagues will be based upon what is right for the students at Clifton and the Southwestern area and what is right for our system.
Personally and professionally this remains a difficult issue for me; however I do not intend to shy away from the public, the press and the true issues and concerns.
President Harry Truman said “If you can’t stand the heat then get out of the kitchen.†---Well it is just now heating up and I am a pretty good cook and hope to remain in the kitchen.
Liz
PS I take risk at writing this in an email but it remains the best form of communication per your email earlier today.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:36 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Dale, Jack; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Cain, Debora L.
Subject: Communications question
Importance: High
I am confused. I thought we had not yet done a boundary study to decide on the fate of the southwest area. Why is the media feeding into the public frenzy regarding Clifton Elementary, and what can be done to address the confusion? People are beginning to organize to protest, as you probably know.
Thanks,
Patty
FCPS in the news:
Fairfax staff recommends axing Clifton Elementary http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/blogs/capital-land/fairfax-staff-recommends-axing-clifton-elementary-95680324.html (Examiner)
A Fairfax County Public Schools staff report has recommended the School Board close Clifton Elementary, an option school officials have considered for weeks.
Patricia S. Reed
Fairfax County School Board
Providence District
Phone: 571-423-1084
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: 571-423-1070
DLCain@fcps.edu
1. Liz feels obligated to forward these email exchange between Patty Reed and herself to Kathy Smith and Tessie Wilson. Why? Let's act like grownups here and not tattle on anyone.
2. Poor Patty. She beleived the lies that Liz fed her. I guess Lizzie burned that bridge. I wonder how willing Patty will be to back Liz on any issues going forward?
Trust issues much?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Clueless?
()
Date: January 11, 2011 12:22PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: James, Denise; Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean; Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Janice Miller
CC: Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
BCC:
Sent: 4/21/2010 12:34:02 AM
Subject: FW: FW: RE: Admissions- TJ
Attachments:
Good Evening Everyone, or rather Good morning,
The following is an excerpt from an email I received this evening from the PTA President at Willow Springs. I thought it might provide some worthwhile feedback about the process we developed:
Dear Liz,
"Thank you for your note, it was great to talk to you last night and understand more of your perspective on the Clifton/crowding issue. I agree with many of your points and I get where you are coming from--given the cost, it is hard to justify a renovation. I am a member of the Clifton community; however, I have not had kids at Clifton for 3 years because they attend the GT program at Willow Springs. As a parent at Willow Springs, I would not want the issues of Clifton’s renovation to interfere with a good decision around alleviating over crowding where it exists. If we don’t renovate Clifton and we build on a site (Liberty or elsewhere) close to Clifton in order to accommodate those kids, we then create extensive boundary changes to fill the new school. Hence, it may be better to swallow the expense of Clifton and build in an appropriate location. Sometimes the right decision for the longer term costs more but creates less community upset as a whole. Just a thought. It’s a tough and complex issue, I know.
Whatever the case, you have done a great job in allowing the community to be involved. I was at a volunteer lunch at school today and had a lively discussion with several parents over these issues. I am thrilled that my parents are engaged!! They are starting to know what’s going on and some have attended the meetings. Thank you for creating a way for people to be informed..."
Sincerely,
Kari Meyer
Sometimes it is nice to get a little positive feedback!
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
The Willow Springs PTA Pres salivating over wonderful Liz.
Hey Kari,
Are you proud of Liz now and oh so thankful for how the process worked?
You betcha.
Let's hope another School Board member screws your school like she did Clifton. And when they do, we will send congratulatory emails to them about how wonderful they are!
To: James, Denise; Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean; Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Janice Miller
CC: Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
BCC:
Sent: 4/21/2010 12:34:02 AM
Subject: FW: FW: RE: Admissions- TJ
Attachments:
Good Evening Everyone, or rather Good morning,
The following is an excerpt from an email I received this evening from the PTA President at Willow Springs. I thought it might provide some worthwhile feedback about the process we developed:
Dear Liz,
"Thank you for your note, it was great to talk to you last night and understand more of your perspective on the Clifton/crowding issue. I agree with many of your points and I get where you are coming from--given the cost, it is hard to justify a renovation. I am a member of the Clifton community; however, I have not had kids at Clifton for 3 years because they attend the GT program at Willow Springs. As a parent at Willow Springs, I would not want the issues of Clifton’s renovation to interfere with a good decision around alleviating over crowding where it exists. If we don’t renovate Clifton and we build on a site (Liberty or elsewhere) close to Clifton in order to accommodate those kids, we then create extensive boundary changes to fill the new school. Hence, it may be better to swallow the expense of Clifton and build in an appropriate location. Sometimes the right decision for the longer term costs more but creates less community upset as a whole. Just a thought. It’s a tough and complex issue, I know.
Whatever the case, you have done a great job in allowing the community to be involved. I was at a volunteer lunch at school today and had a lively discussion with several parents over these issues. I am thrilled that my parents are engaged!! They are starting to know what’s going on and some have attended the meetings. Thank you for creating a way for people to be informed..."
Sincerely,
Kari Meyer
Sometimes it is nice to get a little positive feedback!
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
The Willow Springs PTA Pres salivating over wonderful Liz.
Hey Kari,
Are you proud of Liz now and oh so thankful for how the process worked?
You betcha.
Let's hope another School Board member screws your school like she did Clifton. And when they do, we will send congratulatory emails to them about how wonderful they are!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
why bother with an invite?
()
Date: January 11, 2011 12:33PM
-----Original Message-----
From: Eatmon, Cassandra
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:13 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Extending my personal invitation
Thanks Liz. She spent an hour trying to convince me I was wrong on this issue last week. The numbers just aren't on their side. The fact that they focus on bringing in state reps, etc., but not the decision-makers (School Board) goes to the point that their focus is wrong. They are passionate but there's passion on the other side, too. The School Board needs to make decisions in the best interest of the ENTIRE 176,000 students in the system. There are limited resources available to make sure that all of those students have equal access to educational facilities and support services. I'm not saying that the 300 kids at CES are insignificant in the grand scheme, but they aren't any more significant, either. I imagine they have more people registered to speak now. Do you think they will have the second session? She said they were passing around a netbook and signing people up at the School Board meeting and at your Clifton visit. They are encouraging some people to sign up and yield their time, if they don't want to speak themselves. So you may have someone speaking at length if that's how the process works.
Good luck!
Cassie
________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 5:13 PM
To: Eatmon, Cassandra
Subject: FW: Extending my personal invitation
As an FYI, I thought you might appreciate the following email.
Also as an FYI I have a graduation to attend that evening and can’t make the rally. Apparently they prefer to have others in attendance before ever considering to even ask the person who would be making the motion on their school first if she could make the rally.
I am shaking my head as I write this to you!
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Elizabeth Schultz [mailto:discover.touchstonecrystal@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 10:38 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Extending my personal invitation
Hi Liz:
It was great to see you at some public events recently; I know you and I have not had the chance to follow up on our conversations from those events. However, I would like to personally extend an invitation to you to come to the Rally in Clifton this coming Monday, June 21, at 7 pm. It is important to experience your impacted constituency personally. This is an irrevocable decision once made and the more opportunities voters have to meet and share their respective salient opinions with you, the more well positioned you will be at the time of the School Board's vote.
If you would be so kind as to advise whether you are able to join us, I would be grateful. Please note, Tom Peterson, Bill Holloway, Tim Hugo and Pat Herrity will make public comments. Keith Fimian, who has a prior commitment, is preparing a statement to be read in abstentia. George Barker will also be speaking at the Rally.
Due to extensive nature of the implications of this issue - financial, transportation, educational, regional school boundaries and pyramids, political districting, historical integrity of Clifton and more - I do hope we have the opportunity to see you on Monday evening.
With thanks,
Elizabeth
Elizabeth L. Schultz
h: 703.266.2299
c: 703.627.9911
Dear Liz-
Would you please come to Clifton and tell us to our face why you are such a liar?
Stop hiding behind your little back-stabbing "friends" who pose as community activists. Why so many emails to Cassie Eatmon, Rob Robetory, Lisa Adler and Bob Larsen?
How about you communicate with the people WHO ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE DECISION???!!!!
These people don't live in Clifton.
Interesting who your trusted advisors are.
From: Eatmon, Cassandra
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:13 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Extending my personal invitation
Thanks Liz. She spent an hour trying to convince me I was wrong on this issue last week. The numbers just aren't on their side. The fact that they focus on bringing in state reps, etc., but not the decision-makers (School Board) goes to the point that their focus is wrong. They are passionate but there's passion on the other side, too. The School Board needs to make decisions in the best interest of the ENTIRE 176,000 students in the system. There are limited resources available to make sure that all of those students have equal access to educational facilities and support services. I'm not saying that the 300 kids at CES are insignificant in the grand scheme, but they aren't any more significant, either. I imagine they have more people registered to speak now. Do you think they will have the second session? She said they were passing around a netbook and signing people up at the School Board meeting and at your Clifton visit. They are encouraging some people to sign up and yield their time, if they don't want to speak themselves. So you may have someone speaking at length if that's how the process works.
Good luck!
Cassie
________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 5:13 PM
To: Eatmon, Cassandra
Subject: FW: Extending my personal invitation
As an FYI, I thought you might appreciate the following email.
Also as an FYI I have a graduation to attend that evening and can’t make the rally. Apparently they prefer to have others in attendance before ever considering to even ask the person who would be making the motion on their school first if she could make the rally.
I am shaking my head as I write this to you!
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Elizabeth Schultz [mailto:discover.touchstonecrystal@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 10:38 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Extending my personal invitation
Hi Liz:
It was great to see you at some public events recently; I know you and I have not had the chance to follow up on our conversations from those events. However, I would like to personally extend an invitation to you to come to the Rally in Clifton this coming Monday, June 21, at 7 pm. It is important to experience your impacted constituency personally. This is an irrevocable decision once made and the more opportunities voters have to meet and share their respective salient opinions with you, the more well positioned you will be at the time of the School Board's vote.
If you would be so kind as to advise whether you are able to join us, I would be grateful. Please note, Tom Peterson, Bill Holloway, Tim Hugo and Pat Herrity will make public comments. Keith Fimian, who has a prior commitment, is preparing a statement to be read in abstentia. George Barker will also be speaking at the Rally.
Due to extensive nature of the implications of this issue - financial, transportation, educational, regional school boundaries and pyramids, political districting, historical integrity of Clifton and more - I do hope we have the opportunity to see you on Monday evening.
With thanks,
Elizabeth
Elizabeth L. Schultz
h: 703.266.2299
c: 703.627.9911
Dear Liz-
Would you please come to Clifton and tell us to our face why you are such a liar?
Stop hiding behind your little back-stabbing "friends" who pose as community activists. Why so many emails to Cassie Eatmon, Rob Robetory, Lisa Adler and Bob Larsen?
How about you communicate with the people WHO ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE DECISION???!!!!
These people don't live in Clifton.
Interesting who your trusted advisors are.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
duh clueless
()
Date: January 11, 2011 12:33PM
The point here is that the "process" is by far better than the SB ramming the closing of the school down your throat without any public input at all. Enjoy the "process". Live for the "process". Clueless!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sheesy
()
Date: January 11, 2011 12:34PM
why no disclosure? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why won't FCPS tell the public how they spend the
> bond money?
>
> How is South County being built NOW if the funding
> is deferred until 2014?
>
> It looks like FCPS is hiding something. Why is
> that crazy to ask for an accounting?
Maybe because there is a difference between asking for accountability and acting like a prima donna who thinks everyone reports directly to her?
Sorry, but you can't put lipstick on that type of pig.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why won't FCPS tell the public how they spend the
> bond money?
>
> How is South County being built NOW if the funding
> is deferred until 2014?
>
> It looks like FCPS is hiding something. Why is
> that crazy to ask for an accounting?
Maybe because there is a difference between asking for accountability and acting like a prima donna who thinks everyone reports directly to her?
Sorry, but you can't put lipstick on that type of pig.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
stupidy rules
()
Date: January 11, 2011 12:45PM
duh clueless Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The point here is that the "process" is by far
> better than the SB ramming the closing of the
> school down your throat without any public input
> at all. Enjoy the "process". Live for the
> "process". Clueless!
Are you kidding me? You call this a "process"?
Sweetie, you are dumb as a tree trunk if you think there was a process.
Tistadt and Bradsher were set on closing this school long before the "process" was rolled out.
The whole charade was just a waste of time and county money.
The best outcome was that now the public sees what kids of morons are running our schools.
No other benefit was derived from this so called "process" of yours.
-------------------------------------------------------
> The point here is that the "process" is by far
> better than the SB ramming the closing of the
> school down your throat without any public input
> at all. Enjoy the "process". Live for the
> "process". Clueless!
Are you kidding me? You call this a "process"?
Sweetie, you are dumb as a tree trunk if you think there was a process.
Tistadt and Bradsher were set on closing this school long before the "process" was rolled out.
The whole charade was just a waste of time and county money.
The best outcome was that now the public sees what kids of morons are running our schools.
No other benefit was derived from this so called "process" of yours.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 11, 2011 12:47PM
Clueless? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> To: James, Denise; Raney, Jim (School Board
> Member); Tistadt, Dean; Wilson, Tessie (School
> Board Member); Janice Miller
> CC: Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
> BCC:
> Sent: 4/21/2010 12:34:02 AM
> Subject: FW: FW: RE: Admissions- TJ
>
> Attachments:
>
>
> Good Evening Everyone, or rather Good morning,
>
> The following is an excerpt from an email I
> received this evening from the PTA President at
> Willow Springs. I thought it might provide some
> worthwhile feedback about the process we
> developed:
>
> Dear Liz,
>
> "Thank you for your note, it was great to talk to
> you last night and understand more of your
> perspective on the Clifton/crowding issue. I
> agree with many of your points and I get where you
> are coming from--given the cost, it is hard to
> justify a renovation. I am a member of the
> Clifton community; however, I have not had kids at
> Clifton for 3 years because they attend the GT
> program at Willow Springs. As a parent at Willow
> Springs, I would not want the issues of
> Clifton’s renovation to interfere with a good
> decision around alleviating over crowding where it
> exists. If we don’t renovate Clifton and we
> build on a site (Liberty or elsewhere) close to
> Clifton in order to accommodate those kids, we
> then create extensive boundary changes to fill the
> new school. Hence, it may be better to swallow the
> expense of Clifton and build in an appropriate
> location. Sometimes the right decision for the
> longer term costs more but creates less community
> upset as a whole. Just a thought. It’s a
> tough and complex issue, I know.
>
> Whatever the case, you have done a great job in
> allowing the community to be involved. I was at a
> volunteer lunch at school today and had a lively
> discussion with several parents over these issues.
> I am thrilled that my parents are engaged!! They
> are starting to know what’s going on and some
> have attended the meetings. Thank you for
> creating a way for people to be informed..."
> Sincerely,
> Kari Meyer
>
> Sometimes it is nice to get a little positive
> feedback!
> Liz
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
>
> The Willow Springs PTA Pres salivating over
> wonderful Liz.
>
> Hey Kari,
>
> Are you proud of Liz now and oh so thankful for
> how the process worked?
>
> You betcha.
>
> Let's hope another School Board member screws your
> school like she did Clifton. And when they do, we
> will send congratulatory emails to them about how
> wonderful they are!
Clifton parents and residents wouldn't wish what the SB did to them on anyone!
In Kari's defense, she was only doing what she's supposed to do - represent Willow Springs - HER school. That is after all the job of the PTA Pres., to represent your school.
Also, if you read her email to Liz, she says that the better decision would probably be to keep CES open.
Don't bash other PTA's or schools, please! It is counter-productive. We're all in this fight together. Kari's only mistake was in believing what Liz Bradsher told her. That makes her no different than most of the parents from Clifton. You should be able to believe what your "reprensentative" is telling you. Now we all know better.
When Kari wrote this email to Liz, back in April, we didn't know anything about the 'game behind the game'. She wasn't congratulating Liz on closing CES.
It's not Kari's fault that Liz lied to her. Kari is as much a victim of Liz Bradsher as anyone else that trusted her to tell us the truth.
Kari isn't the villain here, nor are the other schools and PTA's involved. We can't exactly blame them for looking out for their school; someone has to do it since the SB isn't.
Stay focused people! The SB is the culprit, not other parents and PTA's.
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> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> To: James, Denise; Raney, Jim (School Board
> Member); Tistadt, Dean; Wilson, Tessie (School
> Board Member); Janice Miller
> CC: Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
> BCC:
> Sent: 4/21/2010 12:34:02 AM
> Subject: FW: FW: RE: Admissions- TJ
>
> Attachments:
>
>
> Good Evening Everyone, or rather Good morning,
>
> The following is an excerpt from an email I
> received this evening from the PTA President at
> Willow Springs. I thought it might provide some
> worthwhile feedback about the process we
> developed:
>
> Dear Liz,
>
> "Thank you for your note, it was great to talk to
> you last night and understand more of your
> perspective on the Clifton/crowding issue. I
> agree with many of your points and I get where you
> are coming from--given the cost, it is hard to
> justify a renovation. I am a member of the
> Clifton community; however, I have not had kids at
> Clifton for 3 years because they attend the GT
> program at Willow Springs. As a parent at Willow
> Springs, I would not want the issues of
> Clifton’s renovation to interfere with a good
> decision around alleviating over crowding where it
> exists. If we don’t renovate Clifton and we
> build on a site (Liberty or elsewhere) close to
> Clifton in order to accommodate those kids, we
> then create extensive boundary changes to fill the
> new school. Hence, it may be better to swallow the
> expense of Clifton and build in an appropriate
> location. Sometimes the right decision for the
> longer term costs more but creates less community
> upset as a whole. Just a thought. It’s a
> tough and complex issue, I know.
>
> Whatever the case, you have done a great job in
> allowing the community to be involved. I was at a
> volunteer lunch at school today and had a lively
> discussion with several parents over these issues.
> I am thrilled that my parents are engaged!! They
> are starting to know what’s going on and some
> have attended the meetings. Thank you for
> creating a way for people to be informed..."
> Sincerely,
> Kari Meyer
>
> Sometimes it is nice to get a little positive
> feedback!
> Liz
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
>
> The Willow Springs PTA Pres salivating over
> wonderful Liz.
>
> Hey Kari,
>
> Are you proud of Liz now and oh so thankful for
> how the process worked?
>
> You betcha.
>
> Let's hope another School Board member screws your
> school like she did Clifton. And when they do, we
> will send congratulatory emails to them about how
> wonderful they are!
Clifton parents and residents wouldn't wish what the SB did to them on anyone!
In Kari's defense, she was only doing what she's supposed to do - represent Willow Springs - HER school. That is after all the job of the PTA Pres., to represent your school.
Also, if you read her email to Liz, she says that the better decision would probably be to keep CES open.
Don't bash other PTA's or schools, please! It is counter-productive. We're all in this fight together. Kari's only mistake was in believing what Liz Bradsher told her. That makes her no different than most of the parents from Clifton. You should be able to believe what your "reprensentative" is telling you. Now we all know better.
When Kari wrote this email to Liz, back in April, we didn't know anything about the 'game behind the game'. She wasn't congratulating Liz on closing CES.
It's not Kari's fault that Liz lied to her. Kari is as much a victim of Liz Bradsher as anyone else that trusted her to tell us the truth.
Kari isn't the villain here, nor are the other schools and PTA's involved. We can't exactly blame them for looking out for their school; someone has to do it since the SB isn't.
Stay focused people! The SB is the culprit, not other parents and PTA's.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
We win!
()
Date: January 11, 2011 12:50PM
stupidy rules Wrote:
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>
> Are you kidding me? You call this a "process"?
>
> Sweetie, you are dumb as a tree trunk if you think
> there was a process.
>
> Tistadt and Bradsher were set on closing this
> school long before the "process" was rolled out.
>
> The whole charade was just a waste of time and
> county money.
>
> The best outcome was that now the public sees what
> kids of morons are running our schools.
>
> No other benefit was derived from this so called
> "process" of yours.
It sure does look like you folks took a beat down from Liz. lol
Keep paying those lawyers, it stimulates the economy.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Are you kidding me? You call this a "process"?
>
> Sweetie, you are dumb as a tree trunk if you think
> there was a process.
>
> Tistadt and Bradsher were set on closing this
> school long before the "process" was rolled out.
>
> The whole charade was just a waste of time and
> county money.
>
> The best outcome was that now the public sees what
> kids of morons are running our schools.
>
> No other benefit was derived from this so called
> "process" of yours.
It sure does look like you folks took a beat down from Liz. lol
Keep paying those lawyers, it stimulates the economy.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SOCO Funding
()
Date: January 11, 2011 01:08PM
Bidding in FY 2010
Beech Tree ES 2005/2007 3,661,965 November-11
Franconia ES 2005/2007 3,612,584 November-11
Longfellow MS 2001/2007 6,773,320 March-12
Pimmit Alt. Add 2007 2,545,288 July-12
Stenwood ES 2005/2007 2,983,538 November-11
Westlawn ES 2005/2007 2,972,500 November-11
Oakton ES 2005/2007 922,000 September-12
Graham Road 2005 1,520,868 September-12
South County MS 2009 20,000,000 February-12
Looks like SOCO MS received $20 million smackers from the October 2009 bond referendum.
Why would it say deferred financing in the CIP out to 2014-15?
I assume the construction crew wants to get paid now.
So, everyone out there waiting for renovations for your school who has been told over and over that (1) SOCO MS was built with a public-private partnership, and (2) that funding was to be deferred.
Lies, lies and more lies.
SOCO jumped that oh so sacred que that Bradsher often preaches about. Remember the emails to Rainey where she secured his vote by LYING to him that FCPS can't disrupt the que. Sorry, Jim, you too were lied to.
The CIP que is sacred UNLESS Liz needs a school built and then well...we can move stuff around.
Beech Tree ES 2005/2007 3,661,965 November-11
Franconia ES 2005/2007 3,612,584 November-11
Longfellow MS 2001/2007 6,773,320 March-12
Pimmit Alt. Add 2007 2,545,288 July-12
Stenwood ES 2005/2007 2,983,538 November-11
Westlawn ES 2005/2007 2,972,500 November-11
Oakton ES 2005/2007 922,000 September-12
Graham Road 2005 1,520,868 September-12
South County MS 2009 20,000,000 February-12
Looks like SOCO MS received $20 million smackers from the October 2009 bond referendum.
Why would it say deferred financing in the CIP out to 2014-15?
I assume the construction crew wants to get paid now.
So, everyone out there waiting for renovations for your school who has been told over and over that (1) SOCO MS was built with a public-private partnership, and (2) that funding was to be deferred.
Lies, lies and more lies.
SOCO jumped that oh so sacred que that Bradsher often preaches about. Remember the emails to Rainey where she secured his vote by LYING to him that FCPS can't disrupt the que. Sorry, Jim, you too were lied to.
The CIP que is sacred UNLESS Liz needs a school built and then well...we can move stuff around.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
convenient silence
()
Date: January 11, 2011 01:14PM
They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
Anyone ever read this little gem??
Hit home with anyone?
You can hide behind that "I didn't know Liz was a big fat liar" as much as you want. Go ahead and look out for your own backside-what a nice way to live your life.
Where's the outrage now that you know all the public lies?
Where's Kari's email to Liz after the carnage showing her disgust with the process.
The silence is deafening. Nice try.
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
Anyone ever read this little gem??
Hit home with anyone?
You can hide behind that "I didn't know Liz was a big fat liar" as much as you want. Go ahead and look out for your own backside-what a nice way to live your life.
Where's the outrage now that you know all the public lies?
Where's Kari's email to Liz after the carnage showing her disgust with the process.
The silence is deafening. Nice try.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Lied to LRR too
()
Date: January 11, 2011 01:24PM
Clifton weren't the only ones lied to. Bradsher lied to all of us, too.
Telling us that they were considering all options and information, but she was collecting the votes before we even had the public hearing.
They were right afterall, it was a done deal and it didn't matter what anyone said at all.
Interesting that now VA Run, which is underpopulated on projections, is now not being touched. And Cassie Eatman is the President of VA Run ES PTA and now Kathy Smith's and Liz Bradsher's minion on the Facilities committee.
Man, this was collusion.
Attachments:
Telling us that they were considering all options and information, but she was collecting the votes before we even had the public hearing.
They were right afterall, it was a done deal and it didn't matter what anyone said at all.
Interesting that now VA Run, which is underpopulated on projections, is now not being touched. And Cassie Eatman is the President of VA Run ES PTA and now Kathy Smith's and Liz Bradsher's minion on the Facilities committee.
Man, this was collusion.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
slubdawg
()
Date: January 11, 2011 02:00PM
I can't imagine the legal bill for Patton Boggs, but it does make you wonder, FCPS has to pay legal fees too. And, where does FCPS get it's money? (rhetorical question)
We win! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> stupidy rules Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Are you kidding me? You call this a "process"?
> >
> > Sweetie, you are dumb as a tree trunk if you
> think
> > there was a process.
> >
> > Tistadt and Bradsher were set on closing this
> > school long before the "process" was rolled
> out.
> >
> > The whole charade was just a waste of time and
> > county money.
> >
> > The best outcome was that now the public sees
> what
> > kids of morons are running our schools.
> >
> > No other benefit was derived from this so
> called
> > "process" of yours.
>
>
>
> It sure does look like you folks took a beat down
> from Liz. lol
>
>
> Keep paying those lawyers, it stimulates the
> economy.
We win! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> stupidy rules Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Are you kidding me? You call this a "process"?
> >
> > Sweetie, you are dumb as a tree trunk if you
> think
> > there was a process.
> >
> > Tistadt and Bradsher were set on closing this
> > school long before the "process" was rolled
> out.
> >
> > The whole charade was just a waste of time and
> > county money.
> >
> > The best outcome was that now the public sees
> what
> > kids of morons are running our schools.
> >
> > No other benefit was derived from this so
> called
> > "process" of yours.
>
>
>
> It sure does look like you folks took a beat down
> from Liz. lol
>
>
> Keep paying those lawyers, it stimulates the
> economy.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
CIP priorities
()
Date: January 11, 2011 02:05PM
Let's see if we can follow the lag time between a bond referendum and when the construction of a school is completed.
South Lakes HS 1999/2003 bond referendums completed in 2008 (5-9 years)
Lake Braddock SS 1999/2001 bond referndum completed in May 2008 (7-9 years)
Woodson High School 2001/03 referendum completed in December 2009 (6-8 years)
Edison High School 2001/05 referendum expected completion Dec. 2012 (7-10 years)
And now, Liz Bradsher's school (Miss We Need To Respect The CIP):
South County MS 2009 bond referndum...expected completion Spring 2012 (3 years!)
What a special world Liz lives in. One where other schools have to wait up to 10 years for construction completion.
Wait for the drastic changes in capacity for SOCO MS by the way. Without corruping the numbers and dragging poor Lake Braddock students into this school we will have nearly 400 empty seats when it opens!!
But this was a pressing and urgent matter that deserved to be fast tracked. Screw Annandale and their 2800 students who are stacked on top of each other.
The LORTON area says JUMP and the School Board says "How High?".
What a pity poor people don't vote and contribute to School Board members' campaign war chests.
It sucks for them.
South Lakes HS 1999/2003 bond referendums completed in 2008 (5-9 years)
Lake Braddock SS 1999/2001 bond referndum completed in May 2008 (7-9 years)
Woodson High School 2001/03 referendum completed in December 2009 (6-8 years)
Edison High School 2001/05 referendum expected completion Dec. 2012 (7-10 years)
And now, Liz Bradsher's school (Miss We Need To Respect The CIP):
South County MS 2009 bond referndum...expected completion Spring 2012 (3 years!)
What a special world Liz lives in. One where other schools have to wait up to 10 years for construction completion.
Wait for the drastic changes in capacity for SOCO MS by the way. Without corruping the numbers and dragging poor Lake Braddock students into this school we will have nearly 400 empty seats when it opens!!
But this was a pressing and urgent matter that deserved to be fast tracked. Screw Annandale and their 2800 students who are stacked on top of each other.
The LORTON area says JUMP and the School Board says "How High?".
What a pity poor people don't vote and contribute to School Board members' campaign war chests.
It sucks for them.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
sucks to be Clifton!
()
Date: January 11, 2011 02:26PM
slubdawg Wrote:
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> I can't imagine the legal bill for Patton Boggs,
> but it does make you wonder, FCPS has to pay legal
> fees too. And, where does FCPS get it's money?
> (rhetorical question)
You know, you're right! Man, the folks in Clifton are getting doubly screwed! Not only are they paying their own legal fees, but a good portion of the legal fees for FCPS too! After all, Clifton does pay higher real estate taxes than most since they have more land than most. So technically, they're paying for both sides of this legal battle. At least a portion of it.
I guess the joke is on them after all.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I can't imagine the legal bill for Patton Boggs,
> but it does make you wonder, FCPS has to pay legal
> fees too. And, where does FCPS get it's money?
> (rhetorical question)
You know, you're right! Man, the folks in Clifton are getting doubly screwed! Not only are they paying their own legal fees, but a good portion of the legal fees for FCPS too! After all, Clifton does pay higher real estate taxes than most since they have more land than most. So technically, they're paying for both sides of this legal battle. At least a portion of it.
I guess the joke is on them after all.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FCPS Rumor Buster
()
Date: January 11, 2011 02:53PM
Below we have more crap issued by FCPS.
They boast about saving $1.1 million by closing Pimmit Hills School.
What they fail to mention is that they will be spending $2.5 million to renovate the school for the administrators.
Ready, kids? get your pencils out.
We spend $2.5 million so we can "save" $1.1 million.
Got it?
We need a serious audit of the books at FCPS.
Q: How will FCPS save money by closing Pimmit Hills Alternative High School?
A: FCPS estimates saving $1.1 million by the reduction of 20.5 positions, including 4.0 administrators and 16.5 support staff (clerical, custodial, librarian, guidance counselor, etc). Every student currently at Pimmit Hills will be offered options to be served through FCPS’ numerous and varied alternative programs. Classroom teachers will be reallocated based on where the students enroll. The Pimmit Hills site will still be fully utilized and will house computer enhanced instruction classes and a transitional education program, both of which are currently at Devonshire; the alternative learning center program currently at Dunn Loring; and a planned fourth satellite maintenance center that will service schools in that part of the county.
Heard a rumor? Want the facts? E-mail it to thebottomline@fcps.edu and we’ll respond to the most frequently mentioned rumors in upcoming issues.
You are here: Fairfax County Public Schools > FY 2011 Budget > The Bottom Line
March 19, 2010
They boast about saving $1.1 million by closing Pimmit Hills School.
What they fail to mention is that they will be spending $2.5 million to renovate the school for the administrators.
Ready, kids? get your pencils out.
We spend $2.5 million so we can "save" $1.1 million.
Got it?
We need a serious audit of the books at FCPS.
Q: How will FCPS save money by closing Pimmit Hills Alternative High School?
A: FCPS estimates saving $1.1 million by the reduction of 20.5 positions, including 4.0 administrators and 16.5 support staff (clerical, custodial, librarian, guidance counselor, etc). Every student currently at Pimmit Hills will be offered options to be served through FCPS’ numerous and varied alternative programs. Classroom teachers will be reallocated based on where the students enroll. The Pimmit Hills site will still be fully utilized and will house computer enhanced instruction classes and a transitional education program, both of which are currently at Devonshire; the alternative learning center program currently at Dunn Loring; and a planned fourth satellite maintenance center that will service schools in that part of the county.
Heard a rumor? Want the facts? E-mail it to thebottomline@fcps.edu and we’ll respond to the most frequently mentioned rumors in upcoming issues.
You are here: Fairfax County Public Schools > FY 2011 Budget > The Bottom Line
March 19, 2010
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Joke is on us? Not Really.
()
Date: January 11, 2011 02:54PM
The last time I checked they are not making any more land in Fairfax. I love my house, my 5 acre lot and being rich. Closing Clifton elementary while sad will never change how much I make or how my kids will turn out.
It must suck to be you! Now STFU!
It must suck to be you! Now STFU!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Grossed Out Granny
()
Date: January 11, 2011 02:58PM
I remember reading about this and was hopeful for their efforts.
Does anyone know an update about all of the history paperwork?
Attachments:
Does anyone know an update about all of the history paperwork?
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Aqui
()
Date: January 11, 2011 03:03PM
CIP priorities Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Let's see if we can follow the lag time between a
> bond referendum and when the construction of a
> school is completed.
>
> South Lakes HS 1999/2003 bond referendums
> completed in 2008 (5-9 years)>
> Lake Braddock SS 1999/2001 bond referndum
> completed in May 2008 (7-9 years)>
> Woodson High School 2001/03 referendum completed
> in December 2009 (6-8 years)>
> Edison High School 2001/05 referendum expected
> completion Dec. 2012 (7-10 years)
>
> And now, Liz Bradsher's school (Miss We Need To
> Respect The CIP):
>
> South County MS 2009 bond referndum...expected
> completion Spring 2012 (3 years!)
>
>
> What a special world Liz lives in. One where
> other schools have to wait up to 10 years for
> construction completion.
>
> Wait for the drastic changes in capacity for SOCO
> MS by the way. Without corruping the numbers and
> dragging poor Lake Braddock students into this
> school we will have nearly 400 empty seats when it
> opens!!
>
> But this was a pressing and urgent matter that
> deserved to be fast tracked. Screw Annandale and
> their 2800 students who are stacked on top of each
> other.
>
> The LORTON area says JUMP and the School Board
> says "How High?".
Here is what I was wondering/suspecting was the case. Thanks for posting this.
Question: Can someone explain why Dean T. and Liz B. are so determined to see Clifton Elementary close? Is it something beyond a mere power trip?
>
> What a pity poor people don't vote and contribute
> to School Board members' campaign war chests.
>
> It sucks for them.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Let's see if we can follow the lag time between a
> bond referendum and when the construction of a
> school is completed.
>
> South Lakes HS 1999/2003 bond referendums
> completed in 2008 (5-9 years)>
> Lake Braddock SS 1999/2001 bond referndum
> completed in May 2008 (7-9 years)>
> Woodson High School 2001/03 referendum completed
> in December 2009 (6-8 years)>
> Edison High School 2001/05 referendum expected
> completion Dec. 2012 (7-10 years)
>
> And now, Liz Bradsher's school (Miss We Need To
> Respect The CIP):
>
> South County MS 2009 bond referndum...expected
> completion Spring 2012 (3 years!)
>
>
> What a special world Liz lives in. One where
> other schools have to wait up to 10 years for
> construction completion.
>
> Wait for the drastic changes in capacity for SOCO
> MS by the way. Without corruping the numbers and
> dragging poor Lake Braddock students into this
> school we will have nearly 400 empty seats when it
> opens!!
>
> But this was a pressing and urgent matter that
> deserved to be fast tracked. Screw Annandale and
> their 2800 students who are stacked on top of each
> other.
>
> The LORTON area says JUMP and the School Board
> says "How High?".
Here is what I was wondering/suspecting was the case. Thanks for posting this.
Question: Can someone explain why Dean T. and Liz B. are so determined to see Clifton Elementary close? Is it something beyond a mere power trip?
>
> What a pity poor people don't vote and contribute
> to School Board members' campaign war chests.
>
> It sucks for them.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
BOS Frey involvement
()
Date: January 11, 2011 03:12PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Kiefer, Meaghan
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/15/2010 6:35:48 AM
Subject: RE: Note Confidential FW: LRR Community Meeting
Attachments:
I received this from a Union Mill parent asking me to contact Alaine to arrange for a meeting. I am hesitant knowing what took place on Sunday. I would rather go with your lead and person trying to arrange a meeting.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Sheryl Jones [mailto:sheryljones@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:59 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Cc: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Carlson, Grady; stevendparrott@gmail.com; Alaine Walsh
Subject: LRR Community Meeting
Hi,
I just spoke with Brian Butler. He told me that you are interested in meeting with community members from Little Rocky Run. This sounds like a great idea. Only through productive sharing of information and concerns can we make the best decisions for our FCPS students and our community.
The people who have been leading the Little Rocky Run community are Steve Parrott and Alaine Walsh. They are both interested in speaking with you and in helping to organize a community meeting with you. Their contact information is as follows: Steve Parrott stevendparrott@gmail.com 703 830-4825; Alaine Walsh alainek@yahoo.com.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions or if I can be of further assistance in this matter.
Sincerely,
Sheryl Jones
703 323-6067
________________________________
I guess Sepervisor Frey's office was in on this hot mess as well. Meaghan is directing Liz which community members get to participate in the scam of a process.
Nice.
To: Kiefer, Meaghan
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/15/2010 6:35:48 AM
Subject: RE: Note Confidential FW: LRR Community Meeting
Attachments:
I received this from a Union Mill parent asking me to contact Alaine to arrange for a meeting. I am hesitant knowing what took place on Sunday. I would rather go with your lead and person trying to arrange a meeting.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Sheryl Jones [mailto:sheryljones@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:59 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Cc: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Carlson, Grady; stevendparrott@gmail.com; Alaine Walsh
Subject: LRR Community Meeting
Hi,
I just spoke with Brian Butler. He told me that you are interested in meeting with community members from Little Rocky Run. This sounds like a great idea. Only through productive sharing of information and concerns can we make the best decisions for our FCPS students and our community.
The people who have been leading the Little Rocky Run community are Steve Parrott and Alaine Walsh. They are both interested in speaking with you and in helping to organize a community meeting with you. Their contact information is as follows: Steve Parrott stevendparrott@gmail.com 703 830-4825; Alaine Walsh alainek@yahoo.com.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions or if I can be of further assistance in this matter.
Sincerely,
Sheryl Jones
703 323-6067
________________________________
I guess Sepervisor Frey's office was in on this hot mess as well. Meaghan is directing Liz which community members get to participate in the scam of a process.
Nice.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
connecting the dots
()
Date: January 11, 2011 03:22PM
From: Kara Prichard
This email address looks familiar................
Wait for it.
This email address looks familiar................
Wait for it.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hereyougoagain
()
Date: January 11, 2011 03:31PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm sorry, who was playing LRR?? It wasn't
> Clifton.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> To: Kiefer, Meaghan
> Sent: 7/8/2010 11:52:33 PM
> Subject: FW: School Board Votes to Close Clifton
> Elementary!!
> Attachments:
>
> Meaghan,
> The vote was 9-2 tonight to close Clifton. Be sure
> to tell Mike. I thought you might like to read
> what Tim
> Hugo sent out, he sure is a great “team
> playerâ€! Clifton has been lobbying to add an
> addition and bring in
> students from LRR. I knew LRR was being played,
> not to sure Steve understood that.
>
> Liz
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:15 PM,
>
> Tim Hugo wrote:
>
> School Board Votes to Close Clifton Elementary
>
> Clifton, VA (July 8, 2010) Tonight the School
> Board passed a
> vote to shut down Clifton Elementary School. This
> is a major
> setback for the hundreds of community residents
> who dedicated
> so much of their time and effort to saving Clifton
> Elementary.
> "With her vote, School Board Member, Liz Bradsher
> threw the
> children of Clifton and Fairfax County under the
> bus," stated
> Delegate Tim Hugo. "I am extremely disappointed by
> this
> decision, however, I would like to thank all
> members of the
> community for their hard work and dedication in
> the fight to save
> Clifton Elementary."
> The debate lasted for over 2 hours. Hundreds of
> residents were
> in attendance for the final vote, to show their
> support for saving
> Clifton Elementary.
> community for their hard work and dedication in
> the fight to save
> Clifton Elementary."
> The debate lasted for over 2 hours. Hundreds of
> residents were
> in attendance for the final vote, to show their
> support for saving
> Clifton Elementary.
> Forward email
> Friends of Tim Hugo | PO Box 893 | Centreville |
> VA | 20122
> This email was sent to karanchris@verizon.net by
> newsletter@timhugo.com.
> Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal
> with SafeUnsubscribeâ„¢ | Privacy
> Policy.
> Email Marketing by
Well, now we know who herewegoagain is. Kara Prichard.
Does she speak for her school's PTA?
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm sorry, who was playing LRR?? It wasn't
> Clifton.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> To: Kiefer, Meaghan
> Sent: 7/8/2010 11:52:33 PM
> Subject: FW: School Board Votes to Close Clifton
> Elementary!!
> Attachments:
>
> Meaghan,
> The vote was 9-2 tonight to close Clifton. Be sure
> to tell Mike. I thought you might like to read
> what Tim
> Hugo sent out, he sure is a great “team
> playerâ€! Clifton has been lobbying to add an
> addition and bring in
> students from LRR. I knew LRR was being played,
> not to sure Steve understood that.
>
> Liz
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:15 PM,
>
> Tim Hugo wrote:
>
> School Board Votes to Close Clifton Elementary
>
> Clifton, VA (July 8, 2010) Tonight the School
> Board passed a
> vote to shut down Clifton Elementary School. This
> is a major
> setback for the hundreds of community residents
> who dedicated
> so much of their time and effort to saving Clifton
> Elementary.
> "With her vote, School Board Member, Liz Bradsher
> threw the
> children of Clifton and Fairfax County under the
> bus," stated
> Delegate Tim Hugo. "I am extremely disappointed by
> this
> decision, however, I would like to thank all
> members of the
> community for their hard work and dedication in
> the fight to save
> Clifton Elementary."
> The debate lasted for over 2 hours. Hundreds of
> residents were
> in attendance for the final vote, to show their
> support for saving
> Clifton Elementary.
> community for their hard work and dedication in
> the fight to save
> Clifton Elementary."
> The debate lasted for over 2 hours. Hundreds of
> residents were
> in attendance for the final vote, to show their
> support for saving
> Clifton Elementary.
> Forward email
> Friends of Tim Hugo | PO Box 893 | Centreville |
> VA | 20122
> This email was sent to karanchris@verizon.net by
> newsletter@timhugo.com.
> Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal
> with SafeUnsubscribeâ„¢ | Privacy
> Policy.
> Email Marketing by
Well, now we know who herewegoagain is. Kara Prichard.
Does she speak for her school's PTA?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Alll about the process
()
Date: January 11, 2011 03:47PM
It is crucial that the School Board:
1. Pick members that will agree with you and steer the ship in the direction you want.
2. Pretend to engage the community.
*******************************************************************************
From: larsen family [larsenva@cox.net]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC: bob.larsen@us.army.mil
BCC:
Sent: 3/5/2010 2:38:11 AM
Subject: Re: Great Meeting with my bigger group last night (SW Boundary Study Group C/3)
Attachments:
Thank you
I appreciate the email. It'll be a little while before I get involved in something like this project. As Joanna reminded me of the first meeting, we were told this would be about four mtgs (4-6 weeks), then a quick solution development and pass it back to you guys
Recommend that you tweak the ad hoc process
1- have a board member help keep it on task
2- have a strong FCPS member on the exec chair group
3- keep the tight timeline (2-3 months max for an issue; scope it into smaller pieces)
Good point on the poker budget approach to this area
Indpls and Austin do it a little different...but after 15 years I have been awed with the how it is played here. I like the DoD and Congress approaches better
Have a great weekend
bob l
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'larsen family'
Cc: bob.larsen@us.army.mil
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: Great Meeting with my bigger group last night (SW Boundary Study Group C/3)
Thanks Bob.
I was pleased to read your email. Appreciate all your continued efforts and your summary of the meeting was interesting to read.
Yes, the budget is tough---all is up in the air right now, waiting for county and state to show their “handâ€.
Look forward to your report and your view on the process and how we can improve for the future!
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: larsen family [mailto:larsenva@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:11 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Cc: bob.larsen@us.army.mil
Subject: Great Meeting with my bigger group last night (SW Boundary Study Group C/3)
Good AM
It was tense at first, but since we did an email vote for the chair....I got to business very quickly.
I did an ice breaker, so that people could get to know each other (how old are your children and who are you). I took ideas how to break us down into two groups (15 min), then broke the group down and balanced it out...since everyone wants to close Clifton down in my new group (business and $s--non emotional about it in this group)--it was tough to put people on keeping it open option. However, the Liberty as the only site is very emotional to three people on the group, but Carol and Al have done their homework. Then we agreed on criteria to provide our pro and cons on and got to work
********************************************************************************
Up until this point, everything Bob says is GARBAGE. But do read his ideas on the budget:
*******************************************************************************
Have a great rest of the week. Your budget work is going to be tough. A vote from our house (wife a FCPS 6th grade teacher over 13 years and me)--stop the reading specialist (fad and doesn't help the class room size--causes more work); 25% cut of the Sup and pyramids staff at least...little value added. I have more, but I need to get some charts together for my new group...the face book for FCPS has some great ideas
best
bob l
I like how everyone in Bob's group thought Clifton should be closed back in March before any data was even released.
1. Pick members that will agree with you and steer the ship in the direction you want.
2. Pretend to engage the community.
*******************************************************************************
From: larsen family [larsenva@cox.net]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC: bob.larsen@us.army.mil
BCC:
Sent: 3/5/2010 2:38:11 AM
Subject: Re: Great Meeting with my bigger group last night (SW Boundary Study Group C/3)
Attachments:
Thank you
I appreciate the email. It'll be a little while before I get involved in something like this project. As Joanna reminded me of the first meeting, we were told this would be about four mtgs (4-6 weeks), then a quick solution development and pass it back to you guys
Recommend that you tweak the ad hoc process
1- have a board member help keep it on task
2- have a strong FCPS member on the exec chair group
3- keep the tight timeline (2-3 months max for an issue; scope it into smaller pieces)
Good point on the poker budget approach to this area
Indpls and Austin do it a little different...but after 15 years I have been awed with the how it is played here. I like the DoD and Congress approaches better
Have a great weekend
bob l
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'larsen family'
Cc: bob.larsen@us.army.mil
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: Great Meeting with my bigger group last night (SW Boundary Study Group C/3)
Thanks Bob.
I was pleased to read your email. Appreciate all your continued efforts and your summary of the meeting was interesting to read.
Yes, the budget is tough---all is up in the air right now, waiting for county and state to show their “handâ€.
Look forward to your report and your view on the process and how we can improve for the future!
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: larsen family [mailto:larsenva@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:11 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Cc: bob.larsen@us.army.mil
Subject: Great Meeting with my bigger group last night (SW Boundary Study Group C/3)
Good AM
It was tense at first, but since we did an email vote for the chair....I got to business very quickly.
I did an ice breaker, so that people could get to know each other (how old are your children and who are you). I took ideas how to break us down into two groups (15 min), then broke the group down and balanced it out...since everyone wants to close Clifton down in my new group (business and $s--non emotional about it in this group)--it was tough to put people on keeping it open option. However, the Liberty as the only site is very emotional to three people on the group, but Carol and Al have done their homework. Then we agreed on criteria to provide our pro and cons on and got to work
********************************************************************************
Up until this point, everything Bob says is GARBAGE. But do read his ideas on the budget:
*******************************************************************************
Have a great rest of the week. Your budget work is going to be tough. A vote from our house (wife a FCPS 6th grade teacher over 13 years and me)--stop the reading specialist (fad and doesn't help the class room size--causes more work); 25% cut of the Sup and pyramids staff at least...little value added. I have more, but I need to get some charts together for my new group...the face book for FCPS has some great ideas
best
bob l
I like how everyone in Bob's group thought Clifton should be closed back in March before any data was even released.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 11, 2011 03:50PM
hereyougoagain Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> herewegoagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm sorry, who was playing LRR?? It wasn't
> > Clifton.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
>
> > To: Kiefer, Meaghan
> > Sent: 7/8/2010 11:52:33 PM
> > Subject: FW: School Board Votes to Close
> Clifton
> > Elementary!!
> > Attachments:
> >
> > Meaghan,
> > The vote was 9-2 tonight to close Clifton. Be
> sure
> > to tell Mike. I thought you might like to read
> > what Tim
> > Hugo sent out, he sure is a great “team
> > playerâ€! Clifton has been lobbying to add an
> > addition and bring in
> > students from LRR. I knew LRR was being played,
> > not to sure Steve understood that.
> >
> > Liz
> > Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> > Fairfax County School Board
> > Springfield District
> > Phone: (571) 296-1875
> > Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> > Assistant
> > Phone: (571) 423-1070
> >
> >
> > On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:15 PM,
> >
> > Tim Hugo wrote:
> >
> > School Board Votes to Close Clifton Elementary
> >
> > Clifton, VA (July 8, 2010) Tonight the School
> > Board passed a
> > vote to shut down Clifton Elementary School.
> This
> > is a major
> > setback for the hundreds of community residents
> > who dedicated
> > so much of their time and effort to saving
> Clifton
> > Elementary.
> > "With her vote, School Board Member, Liz
> Bradsher
> > threw the
> > children of Clifton and Fairfax County under
> the
> > bus," stated
> > Delegate Tim Hugo. "I am extremely disappointed
> by
> > this
> > decision, however, I would like to thank all
> > members of the
> > community for their hard work and dedication in
> > the fight to save
> > Clifton Elementary."
> > The debate lasted for over 2 hours. Hundreds of
> > residents were
> > in attendance for the final vote, to show their
> > support for saving
> > Clifton Elementary.
> > community for their hard work and dedication in
> > the fight to save
> > Clifton Elementary."
> > The debate lasted for over 2 hours. Hundreds of
> > residents were
> > in attendance for the final vote, to show their
> > support for saving
> > Clifton Elementary.
> > Forward email
> > Friends of Tim Hugo | PO Box 893 | Centreville
> |
> > VA | 20122
>
>
>
>
>
> > This email was sent to karanchris@verizon.net
> by
>
>
>
> > newsletter@timhugo.com.
> > Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal
> > with SafeUnsubscribeâ„¢ | Privacy
> > Policy.
> > Email Marketing by
>
>
> Well, now we know who herewegoagain is. Kara
> Prichard.
>
> Does she speak for her school's PTA?
(loud buzzer sound)
Sorry, you are not a winner! Please try again. I am not Kara Prichard, nor would I want to be on my worst day! The emails from that woman are evil and completely self centered.
Keep trying. I'll check back later to see if we have a winner.
-------------------------------------------------------
> herewegoagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm sorry, who was playing LRR?? It wasn't
> > Clifton.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
>
> > To: Kiefer, Meaghan
> > Sent: 7/8/2010 11:52:33 PM
> > Subject: FW: School Board Votes to Close
> Clifton
> > Elementary!!
> > Attachments:
> >
> > Meaghan,
> > The vote was 9-2 tonight to close Clifton. Be
> sure
> > to tell Mike. I thought you might like to read
> > what Tim
> > Hugo sent out, he sure is a great “team
> > playerâ€! Clifton has been lobbying to add an
> > addition and bring in
> > students from LRR. I knew LRR was being played,
> > not to sure Steve understood that.
> >
> > Liz
> > Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> > Fairfax County School Board
> > Springfield District
> > Phone: (571) 296-1875
> > Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> > Assistant
> > Phone: (571) 423-1070
> >
> >
> > On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:15 PM,
> >
> > Tim Hugo wrote:
> >
> > School Board Votes to Close Clifton Elementary
> >
> > Clifton, VA (July 8, 2010) Tonight the School
> > Board passed a
> > vote to shut down Clifton Elementary School.
> This
> > is a major
> > setback for the hundreds of community residents
> > who dedicated
> > so much of their time and effort to saving
> Clifton
> > Elementary.
> > "With her vote, School Board Member, Liz
> Bradsher
> > threw the
> > children of Clifton and Fairfax County under
> the
> > bus," stated
> > Delegate Tim Hugo. "I am extremely disappointed
> by
> > this
> > decision, however, I would like to thank all
> > members of the
> > community for their hard work and dedication in
> > the fight to save
> > Clifton Elementary."
> > The debate lasted for over 2 hours. Hundreds of
> > residents were
> > in attendance for the final vote, to show their
> > support for saving
> > Clifton Elementary.
> > community for their hard work and dedication in
> > the fight to save
> > Clifton Elementary."
> > The debate lasted for over 2 hours. Hundreds of
> > residents were
> > in attendance for the final vote, to show their
> > support for saving
> > Clifton Elementary.
> > Forward email
> > Friends of Tim Hugo | PO Box 893 | Centreville
> |
> > VA | 20122
>
>
>
>
>
> > This email was sent to karanchris@verizon.net
> by
>
>
>
> > newsletter@timhugo.com.
> > Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal
> > with SafeUnsubscribeâ„¢ | Privacy
> > Policy.
> > Email Marketing by
>
>
> Well, now we know who herewegoagain is. Kara
> Prichard.
>
> Does she speak for her school's PTA?
(loud buzzer sound)
Sorry, you are not a winner! Please try again. I am not Kara Prichard, nor would I want to be on my worst day! The emails from that woman are evil and completely self centered.
Keep trying. I'll check back later to see if we have a winner.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mommy Lion
()
Date: January 11, 2011 04:16PM
I just want to know ethically why the lobbying against Clifton by her with her PTA signature and business signature combined on her emails?
Are there no ethics?
Why the rabid hatred of her own HOA notifying and educating residents?
Don't people deserve to be informed?
Just because someone gets something (a renovation) doesn't mean you don't get something. Clifton has been on the renovation queue for years and the voters approved planning funds for the renovation - TWICE. How is it not fraud to say you will renovate to get the voters to give you access to THEIR money, then cut a deal to use the money for something else?
This is a socialist mentality - 'no one gets anything unless everyone gets the same thing'. And a bit narcissistic.
Sorry, sweetie - that's not real life. You are advocating for a nanny state. You want everything 'equal'?
There's a rice paddy in China with your name on it.
Attachments:
Are there no ethics?
Why the rabid hatred of her own HOA notifying and educating residents?
Don't people deserve to be informed?
Just because someone gets something (a renovation) doesn't mean you don't get something. Clifton has been on the renovation queue for years and the voters approved planning funds for the renovation - TWICE. How is it not fraud to say you will renovate to get the voters to give you access to THEIR money, then cut a deal to use the money for something else?
This is a socialist mentality - 'no one gets anything unless everyone gets the same thing'. And a bit narcissistic.
Sorry, sweetie - that's not real life. You are advocating for a nanny state. You want everything 'equal'?
There's a rice paddy in China with your name on it.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
law firm
()
Date: January 11, 2011 04:18PM
"You know, you're right! Man, the folks in Clifton are getting doubly screwed! Not only are they paying their own legal fees, but a good portion of the legal fees for FCPS too! After all, Clifton does pay higher real estate taxes than most since they have more land than most. So technically, they're paying for both sides of this legal battle. At least a portion of it."
I believe Patton Boggs is doing the legal work "pro bono" for Clifton. If you look at their website, they do a lot of "pro bono" work. It's good for their business. If they win this, it should bring them a LOT of business.
I believe Patton Boggs is doing the legal work "pro bono" for Clifton. If you look at their website, they do a lot of "pro bono" work. It's good for their business. If they win this, it should bring them a LOT of business.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mommy Lion
()
Date: January 11, 2011 04:34PM
The follow-on is the exchange with Bradsher, getting her to bully the LRR HOA just like she does the rest of her constituents who don't file in lock step with her.
I feel for the HOA members - I am sure they were recipients of one of Liz's well-known and oh-so-lovely phone calls.
Going to start printing membership cards for those who have been indoctrinated into VA By Liz! (Verbally Abused By Liz!).
Might make an intended typo on the membership card: VA Bye Liz!
Attachments:
I feel for the HOA members - I am sure they were recipients of one of Liz's well-known and oh-so-lovely phone calls.
Going to start printing membership cards for those who have been indoctrinated into VA By Liz! (Verbally Abused By Liz!).
Might make an intended typo on the membership card: VA Bye Liz!
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz's buddies-yuck
()
Date: January 11, 2011 04:39PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Kara Prichard
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/28/2010 4:43:07 PM
Subject: RE: meeting
Attachments:
It will be a HUGE CLIFTON Love Fest. We need others to support what I consider the right thing. Anyone you can get out is helpful. Cassie is speaking I need support like you, Jean and Cassie and many others. It is SOOOO important. It has gotten very nasty!
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Kara Prichard [mailto:karanchris@verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 4:39 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: meeting
Hi Liz,
Do you know if tonight will be fairly well balanced or a big "save Clifton" party? I've got a full plate this evening but I want to know that all interests are being presented and heard.
Good luck!
Kara
Kara Prichard
Creative Memories Consultant
www.creativememories.com/karaprichard
CM Photocenter ID: 49336278
703-830-0799
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism." Anonymous
Go KARA GO!!!
Woof Woof.
To: Kara Prichard
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/28/2010 4:43:07 PM
Subject: RE: meeting
Attachments:
It will be a HUGE CLIFTON Love Fest. We need others to support what I consider the right thing. Anyone you can get out is helpful. Cassie is speaking I need support like you, Jean and Cassie and many others. It is SOOOO important. It has gotten very nasty!
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Kara Prichard [mailto:karanchris@verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 4:39 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: meeting
Hi Liz,
Do you know if tonight will be fairly well balanced or a big "save Clifton" party? I've got a full plate this evening but I want to know that all interests are being presented and heard.
Good luck!
Kara
Kara Prichard
Creative Memories Consultant
www.creativememories.com/karaprichard
CM Photocenter ID: 49336278
703-830-0799
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism." Anonymous
Go KARA GO!!!
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
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Open Meeting Laws???
()
Date: January 11, 2011 04:44PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: charliet@cox.net
CC: Cain, Debora L.
BCC:
Sent: 6/14/2010 7:46:14 AM
Subject: RE: My note to Full Board, and more
Attachments:
Charlie,
One more thing regarding the bus---I believe the Chair stated last week that constituents could follow the bus but no constituents would ride on the bus. Just an FYI.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 7:32 AM
To: 'charliet@cox.net'
Cc: Cain, Debora L.
Subject: RE: My note to Full Board, and more
Good morning Charlie,
I requested the tour of the sites for the members of the SB and would appreciate if they could be able to see the sites without any undo influence from others. We have received many emails from Clifton, some threatening others a bit arrogant in content. I was escorted to my car last week because of certain email threats. It is a bit over the top at this time.
I believe the SB members need the time to really look at the site and surroundings and have the opportunity to think about the issue without distraction. Community lobbying can surely take place at other times.
Completely understand about Union Mill. Again, certain demonstrations of support are good things other types may prove to have a negative impact on decision makers. For me coming from the South County area and knowing what our community had to do to build a school, find the land, fund the school, etc., certain demonstrations today from the community may not sit well with me. But that is my personal take on it, other SB members may see it differently.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-----Original Message-----
From: charliet@cox.net [mailto:charliet@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:58 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Cc: charlie.t.rau@exxonmobil.com
Subject: My note to Full Board, and more
Liz; As you probably have already seen, I have just sent a note to all Board members with an alternative perspective on the Clifton Elementary School (CES) enrollment and cost figures that have been proffered by Staff to the Board for use as the planning basis for making your tough decisions on SouthWestern overcrowding and CES.
I have never hidden from you the fact that -- after all of my close work with Staff and others -- it is my deeply considered opinion that, while the Staff's numbers are plausible, there are other numbers that are much more likely -- and those more likely numbers reflect both higher enrollments at CES and lower renovation/expansion costs for CES.
I felt a strong personal need to present that perspective to the full Board just in advance of your deliberations later today.
Two other points:
(1) FYI, I understand that your idea for a Board visit to CES and the Liberty site has generated a lot of interest in the most directly affected communities. I know that many people from both CES and Union Mill Elementary School are adjusting their schedules to be at the two sites between 3:30 and 5:00 PM in order to greet you and the other Board members.
(2) FYI, I certainly intend to be at your meetings -- including the 2 PM full Board Work Session (surprise, right?) --- and I think that Patti Hopkins and Alaine Walsh will be there, also. I wonder if you might want to consider having Patti as the CES PTA President, and Alaine and me as knowledgeable Committee members from CES and UMES, to join you and the other Board members (and press?) on your bus trip out to CES and Liberty? We could be there to answer any general informational questions that you or the other members might have.
A thought.
As always, I look forward to seeing you at the Work Sessions!
Take good care.
Charlie T. Rau
charliet@cox.net
703-815-4440
TRANSLATION:
Uh, Charlie, the School Board decided to say FU to VA Open Gov/Meeting Laws and we will be having a NON OPEN meeting in direct violation of the law at Clifton.
You and all the other taxpayers are allowed to follow the bus but if you attempt to enter the school during our closed meeting we will have you arrested.
Love-
Liz The Lawbreaker
To: charliet@cox.net
CC: Cain, Debora L.
BCC:
Sent: 6/14/2010 7:46:14 AM
Subject: RE: My note to Full Board, and more
Attachments:
Charlie,
One more thing regarding the bus---I believe the Chair stated last week that constituents could follow the bus but no constituents would ride on the bus. Just an FYI.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 7:32 AM
To: 'charliet@cox.net'
Cc: Cain, Debora L.
Subject: RE: My note to Full Board, and more
Good morning Charlie,
I requested the tour of the sites for the members of the SB and would appreciate if they could be able to see the sites without any undo influence from others. We have received many emails from Clifton, some threatening others a bit arrogant in content. I was escorted to my car last week because of certain email threats. It is a bit over the top at this time.
I believe the SB members need the time to really look at the site and surroundings and have the opportunity to think about the issue without distraction. Community lobbying can surely take place at other times.
Completely understand about Union Mill. Again, certain demonstrations of support are good things other types may prove to have a negative impact on decision makers. For me coming from the South County area and knowing what our community had to do to build a school, find the land, fund the school, etc., certain demonstrations today from the community may not sit well with me. But that is my personal take on it, other SB members may see it differently.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-----Original Message-----
From: charliet@cox.net [mailto:charliet@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:58 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Cc: charlie.t.rau@exxonmobil.com
Subject: My note to Full Board, and more
Liz; As you probably have already seen, I have just sent a note to all Board members with an alternative perspective on the Clifton Elementary School (CES) enrollment and cost figures that have been proffered by Staff to the Board for use as the planning basis for making your tough decisions on SouthWestern overcrowding and CES.
I have never hidden from you the fact that -- after all of my close work with Staff and others -- it is my deeply considered opinion that, while the Staff's numbers are plausible, there are other numbers that are much more likely -- and those more likely numbers reflect both higher enrollments at CES and lower renovation/expansion costs for CES.
I felt a strong personal need to present that perspective to the full Board just in advance of your deliberations later today.
Two other points:
(1) FYI, I understand that your idea for a Board visit to CES and the Liberty site has generated a lot of interest in the most directly affected communities. I know that many people from both CES and Union Mill Elementary School are adjusting their schedules to be at the two sites between 3:30 and 5:00 PM in order to greet you and the other Board members.
(2) FYI, I certainly intend to be at your meetings -- including the 2 PM full Board Work Session (surprise, right?) --- and I think that Patti Hopkins and Alaine Walsh will be there, also. I wonder if you might want to consider having Patti as the CES PTA President, and Alaine and me as knowledgeable Committee members from CES and UMES, to join you and the other Board members (and press?) on your bus trip out to CES and Liberty? We could be there to answer any general informational questions that you or the other members might have.
A thought.
As always, I look forward to seeing you at the Work Sessions!
Take good care.
Charlie T. Rau
charliet@cox.net
703-815-4440
TRANSLATION:
Uh, Charlie, the School Board decided to say FU to VA Open Gov/Meeting Laws and we will be having a NON OPEN meeting in direct violation of the law at Clifton.
You and all the other taxpayers are allowed to follow the bus but if you attempt to enter the school during our closed meeting we will have you arrested.
Love-
Liz The Lawbreaker
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
DunnoProBono
()
Date: January 11, 2011 04:45PM
law firm Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "You know, you're right! Man, the folks in Clifton
> are getting doubly screwed! Not only are they
> paying their own legal fees, but a good portion of
> the legal fees for FCPS too! After all, Clifton
> does pay higher real estate taxes than most since
> they have more land than most. So technically,
> they're paying for both sides of this legal
> battle. At least a portion of it."
>
>
> I believe Patton Boggs is doing the legal work
> "pro bono" for Clifton. If you look at their
> website, they do a lot of "pro bono" work. It's
> good for their business. If they win this, it
> should bring them a LOT of business.
Don't know that they are pro bono but do know this - if Hunton & Williams does all the work for the school system, then this firm has already got a reputation as the attorneys of choice for all of the county's residents to take on Goliath and get the evil genies back in their bottle.
Patton Boggs has picked a great client base - with the attitude of FCPS and the school board, looks like it's about time there's a champion to take on the entirely too comfortable establishment. There is a point of no return where people - including a little disabled kid with a service dog [ok, they are just certifiable for saying no to him - admit it!] - won't take being stepped on any more.
FCPS passed that line - with no regrets.
-------------------------------------------------------
> "You know, you're right! Man, the folks in Clifton
> are getting doubly screwed! Not only are they
> paying their own legal fees, but a good portion of
> the legal fees for FCPS too! After all, Clifton
> does pay higher real estate taxes than most since
> they have more land than most. So technically,
> they're paying for both sides of this legal
> battle. At least a portion of it."
>
>
> I believe Patton Boggs is doing the legal work
> "pro bono" for Clifton. If you look at their
> website, they do a lot of "pro bono" work. It's
> good for their business. If they win this, it
> should bring them a LOT of business.
Don't know that they are pro bono but do know this - if Hunton & Williams does all the work for the school system, then this firm has already got a reputation as the attorneys of choice for all of the county's residents to take on Goliath and get the evil genies back in their bottle.
Patton Boggs has picked a great client base - with the attitude of FCPS and the school board, looks like it's about time there's a champion to take on the entirely too comfortable establishment. There is a point of no return where people - including a little disabled kid with a service dog [ok, they are just certifiable for saying no to him - admit it!] - won't take being stepped on any more.
FCPS passed that line - with no regrets.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Finally, an intelligent remark
()
Date: January 11, 2011 04:55PM
From: Tistadt, Dean [datistadt@fcps.edu]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/21/2010 5:08:04 AM
Subject: Re: Note
Attachments:
I am sure that the rally this evening will be great. I am just a little tempted to attend but I am sure it is best that we stay away.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Sent: Sun Jun 20 23:34:53 2010
Subject: Note
Had a meeting at Little Rocky Run. Parents have been influenced by Clifton parents about a school at Liberty. They are afraid of their community being divided for issues of boundary.
I tried to point out our vote will be on Clifton, not the Liberty site. Pat Herrity was there and commented that staff did nothing with his idea regarding design build and insinuated we could find $ for WSHS via other means and didn't need savings from Clifton for positive movement on the CIP. Also asked publicly if I heard from the WSHS community. I responded, yes which is true. He said he hasn't and questioned me in public again when I heard from WSHS.. He took notes the entire time while I spoke answering questions and had sidebars with others. He stated he did not support closing a community school like Clifton.. We were not cordial.
during the meeting. Herrity, Barker and Hugo speaking at a Clifton rally tomorrow night. I have LBSS grad.
Liz
Yes, Dean, please do, STAY AWAY from our communities. Take your corruption to some retirement community where you belong.
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/21/2010 5:08:04 AM
Subject: Re: Note
Attachments:
I am sure that the rally this evening will be great. I am just a little tempted to attend but I am sure it is best that we stay away.
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Sent: Sun Jun 20 23:34:53 2010
Subject: Note
Had a meeting at Little Rocky Run. Parents have been influenced by Clifton parents about a school at Liberty. They are afraid of their community being divided for issues of boundary.
I tried to point out our vote will be on Clifton, not the Liberty site. Pat Herrity was there and commented that staff did nothing with his idea regarding design build and insinuated we could find $ for WSHS via other means and didn't need savings from Clifton for positive movement on the CIP. Also asked publicly if I heard from the WSHS community. I responded, yes which is true. He said he hasn't and questioned me in public again when I heard from WSHS.. He took notes the entire time while I spoke answering questions and had sidebars with others. He stated he did not support closing a community school like Clifton.. We were not cordial.
during the meeting. Herrity, Barker and Hugo speaking at a Clifton rally tomorrow night. I have LBSS grad.
Liz
Yes, Dean, please do, STAY AWAY from our communities. Take your corruption to some retirement community where you belong.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Rainey is such a sucker
()
Date: January 11, 2011 05:12PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/27/2010 10:09:59 AM
Subject: Re: Note
Attachments:
Jim,
Let's talk further I have been all over Clifton this week. I continue to have concerns after looking at the site again and driving through the area. The costs to operate that school are as much as an ES with 600 plus students. I seem to get the feeling the parents believe this is "their" school, almost as if it were a private school. This doesn't sit well with me. I keep going over in my mind is it right to ignore our policies /protocol for one community but not for others?
I think about closing the Graham Road ES most parents could not lobby like Clifton is currently doing because they didn't have the time, the $, and had difficulty speaking English. This is really very much on my mind.
I appreciate your thoughts.
Liz
________________________________
From: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Sun Jun 27 08:23:44 2010
Subject: RE: Note
Thanks, Liz. It looks like they do not favor raising taxes or spending money to renovate the town hall. The latter seems consistent with some e-mails I have received, saying keep CES open but do not renovate--just be sure safety and security of students will be met. To do that would require SB to waive its new educational specifications and ensure any modifications to the building do not rise to the level that would require installation of a sprinkler system, etc. This is the third "viable option" that Dean admitted in work session, provided that SB waives its educational specifications. I think this option may warrant further consideration, since we have a large deficit in ES classrooms.
Very respectfully,
James L. "Jim" Raney, Ph.D.
Fairfax County School Board
Member At Large
Tel: 571-423-1091
Executive Administrative Assistant:
Deb Cain, Tel: 571-423-1070
DLCain@fcps.edu
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:20 PM
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
Subject: Note
Jim,
I found this on the Town of Clifton website, I found it very informative and interesting:
http://www.cliftonva.us/LinkClick.aspx?link=CliftonRevenueSurveyResults%5b1%5d.pdf&tabid=53&mid=534 http://www.cliftonva.us/LinkClick.aspx?link=CliftonRevenueSurveyResults%5b1%5d.pdf&tabid=53&mid=534
The survey responses somewhat contradict what is being said in emails from Clifton residents. It is just interesting and raw data to an extent, thus I thought you might find interesting. People never cease to amaze me, I learn every day!
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
TRANSLATION:
Jim-
While there are schools in desperate need of renovation funding and serious overcrowding, I am somehow fixated on Clifton only.
I am ignoring the issue of severe overcrowding in the region and hoping to contribute to the problem by closing this school so we really have a problem on our hands. This way we can have Facilities devote hundreds of hours to this mindless exercise.
I hope I can count on you for support in this absolutely senseless decision.
Cheers!
Liz The Liar
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/27/2010 10:09:59 AM
Subject: Re: Note
Attachments:
Jim,
Let's talk further I have been all over Clifton this week. I continue to have concerns after looking at the site again and driving through the area. The costs to operate that school are as much as an ES with 600 plus students. I seem to get the feeling the parents believe this is "their" school, almost as if it were a private school. This doesn't sit well with me. I keep going over in my mind is it right to ignore our policies /protocol for one community but not for others?
I think about closing the Graham Road ES most parents could not lobby like Clifton is currently doing because they didn't have the time, the $, and had difficulty speaking English. This is really very much on my mind.
I appreciate your thoughts.
Liz
________________________________
From: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Sun Jun 27 08:23:44 2010
Subject: RE: Note
Thanks, Liz. It looks like they do not favor raising taxes or spending money to renovate the town hall. The latter seems consistent with some e-mails I have received, saying keep CES open but do not renovate--just be sure safety and security of students will be met. To do that would require SB to waive its new educational specifications and ensure any modifications to the building do not rise to the level that would require installation of a sprinkler system, etc. This is the third "viable option" that Dean admitted in work session, provided that SB waives its educational specifications. I think this option may warrant further consideration, since we have a large deficit in ES classrooms.
Very respectfully,
James L. "Jim" Raney, Ph.D.
Fairfax County School Board
Member At Large
Tel: 571-423-1091
Executive Administrative Assistant:
Deb Cain, Tel: 571-423-1070
DLCain@fcps.edu
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:20 PM
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
Subject: Note
Jim,
I found this on the Town of Clifton website, I found it very informative and interesting:
http://www.cliftonva.us/LinkClick.aspx?link=CliftonRevenueSurveyResults%5b1%5d.pdf&tabid=53&mid=534 http://www.cliftonva.us/LinkClick.aspx?link=CliftonRevenueSurveyResults%5b1%5d.pdf&tabid=53&mid=534
The survey responses somewhat contradict what is being said in emails from Clifton residents. It is just interesting and raw data to an extent, thus I thought you might find interesting. People never cease to amaze me, I learn every day!
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
TRANSLATION:
Jim-
While there are schools in desperate need of renovation funding and serious overcrowding, I am somehow fixated on Clifton only.
I am ignoring the issue of severe overcrowding in the region and hoping to contribute to the problem by closing this school so we really have a problem on our hands. This way we can have Facilities devote hundreds of hours to this mindless exercise.
I hope I can count on you for support in this absolutely senseless decision.
Cheers!
Liz The Liar
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
two faced
()
Date: January 11, 2011 05:25PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: James, Denise; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Tistadt, Dean
CC: Sneed, Kevin
BCC:
Sent: 3/26/2010 3:01:23 PM
Subject: RE: Note
Attachments:
Nicely said and heavy sigh….
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:13 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean; James, Denise
Cc: Sneed, Kevin
Subject: RE: Note
Hi all,
Just weighing in on all this as I was tied up in a meeting for most of the morning. I think to address Liz’s concerns, which I believe are valid, staff should have an opportunity to explain the history, the process and the desired outcome of the focus group discussions, at each of the focus group discussions. I think it’s very appropriate for us to set the tone. I think we can use much of the material that was covered in the first meeting of the SW Regional Planning group. I can talk with Cassie about this and I’m sure she would be agreeable.
We absolutely need to make sure that the solutions and pros/cons, are based on as much truth as possible. If not, then we lose the credibility of the whole process. I think leaning on Andrew and Kelly is the best approach for intervention, if necessary.
Let me know what I can do to help.
Barbara M. Hunter, APR
Assistant Superintendent
Communications and Community Outreach
Fairfax County Public Schools
8115 Gatehouse Road
Falls Church, VA 22042
Barbara.Hunter1@fcps.edu
571-423-1218 (office)
571-382-0834 (mobile)
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:11 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean; James, Denise; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Cc: Sneed, Kevin
Subject: RE: Note
Hi again,
I will give you all a call sometime in the future. I have meetings all today --- for the sake of brevity I would like to say the following:
I believe in a community engagement process and it has merit. One of the most important factors in this process is information and how it is disseminated and communicated to the committee and greater community. There are options and of course opinions. We try to devoid the process of opinion and present the options. However in presenting the options I believe we must be sure the Committee presents options that are explained and supported when needed by accurate data and explanation. FCPS has ed specs that are in place for all schools, it is FCPS that makes the decisions on these specifications and sets the precedent for such, not a community or committee, parent or resident. There has to be standard and to me that is set by FCPS. It can be the Community’s place to assist on how to meet such standards. We will always get in trouble as a system if we do something for one community and not for another. Yes, cases may be different, but children/students are our concern and we must offer all our students the same access to education in environments that will seek instructional achievement.
I am wondering if during this engagement process we/FCPS should give a brief statement to the community about the process, staff and reporting. We should say up front certain options presented may or may not be validated by the system and Board. Reasons for this will be indicated by staff/SB and offered to the community for their knowledge.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:16 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); James, Denise; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Cc: Sneed, Kevin
Subject: Re: Note
We will need to understand the details of what they are proposing as the scope of work. We will try to do so.
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________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: James, Denise; Tistadt, Dean; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Sent: Fri Mar 26 10:12:02 2010
Subject: Re: Note
I don't mind differing opinions what I do mind is "spinning" the info to an extent it becomes inaccurate.
If we allow mis perceptions of the hard data then we have done a disservice to the process.
Really, what are the ed specs for a modified reno, what are pros and cons, etc???
Liz
________________________________
From: James, Denise
To: Tistadt, Dean; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Sent: Fri Mar 26 08:56:28 2010
Subject: RE: Note
I think it would be helpful to have this conversation with Kelly and Andrew and perhaps the chair of the work integration committee Cassie Eatmon (Virginia Run)
We will have the chance to present the staff position in May, but I share the concerns about any info going out to the public that is skewed
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:16 AM
To: James, Denise; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Subject: Re: Note
Absolute facts or data should not be the problem. It's the grey areas about which I will be concerned. For example, the Clifton comittee is characterizing the reduced scope renovation as meeting all ed specs and provides no recognition of the differences between a reduced renovated Clifton and a new school. Do we allow them to present this or do we insist on inclusion of our opinion/knowledge that won't agree with their characterization?
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________________________________
From: James, Denise
To: Tistadt, Dean; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Sent: Fri Mar 26 08:09:07 2010
Subject: Re: Note
It is my under standing that cassie, chair of the 'integration' grouup does want staff to review the data and facts before the presentation goes public
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); James, Denise; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Sent: Fri Mar 26 08:05:19 2010
Subject: Re: Note
I agree with you completely. I hope we won't have any conflicts between staff and the committee but there is that risk. I hope Andrew and Kelly's leadership will reduce the likelihood of this. The bottom line, however, is that this remains the work of the committee
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________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Tistadt, Dean; James, Denise; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Sent: Fri Mar 26 07:30:39 2010
Subject: Note
Dear Barbara, Denise and Dean,
I enjoyed attending the meeting last night and certainly noted the differences of opinion as well as options. I think it is time to go out to the public. From my observation it appeared the Committee members are ready for this and I noted the volunteers mentally may be done with this task. This is understandable; it has been about 5 ½ months since they began this journey.
Now as we take this information out to the public, it is important at least for me and I think the issues involved and potential decisions to be made by the School Board that the data and information presented is done so in a factual manner with little discrepancy as possible with regard to statistical information and data. It is the data and numbers that can be too easily manipulated thus causing confusion and misinterpretations. I suppose this is my very serious concern. Please let me know if you think I am “off base†on this concern. I am not too sure how the “Communications†Committee is going to compile all this information into a Community Presentation, I have faith they can do so, the Chair seems very competent. My concern continues to be that the information afforded to the greater community remains factual and have a lack of opinion and of course bias.
Thanks all and have a good weekend,
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
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Are these people delusional?
I'm serious. They talk about facts, ethics, community engagement.
Why bother?
What a joke.
To: James, Denise; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Tistadt, Dean
CC: Sneed, Kevin
BCC:
Sent: 3/26/2010 3:01:23 PM
Subject: RE: Note
Attachments:
Nicely said and heavy sigh….
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:13 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean; James, Denise
Cc: Sneed, Kevin
Subject: RE: Note
Hi all,
Just weighing in on all this as I was tied up in a meeting for most of the morning. I think to address Liz’s concerns, which I believe are valid, staff should have an opportunity to explain the history, the process and the desired outcome of the focus group discussions, at each of the focus group discussions. I think it’s very appropriate for us to set the tone. I think we can use much of the material that was covered in the first meeting of the SW Regional Planning group. I can talk with Cassie about this and I’m sure she would be agreeable.
We absolutely need to make sure that the solutions and pros/cons, are based on as much truth as possible. If not, then we lose the credibility of the whole process. I think leaning on Andrew and Kelly is the best approach for intervention, if necessary.
Let me know what I can do to help.
Barbara M. Hunter, APR
Assistant Superintendent
Communications and Community Outreach
Fairfax County Public Schools
8115 Gatehouse Road
Falls Church, VA 22042
Barbara.Hunter1@fcps.edu
571-423-1218 (office)
571-382-0834 (mobile)
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:11 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean; James, Denise; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Cc: Sneed, Kevin
Subject: RE: Note
Hi again,
I will give you all a call sometime in the future. I have meetings all today --- for the sake of brevity I would like to say the following:
I believe in a community engagement process and it has merit. One of the most important factors in this process is information and how it is disseminated and communicated to the committee and greater community. There are options and of course opinions. We try to devoid the process of opinion and present the options. However in presenting the options I believe we must be sure the Committee presents options that are explained and supported when needed by accurate data and explanation. FCPS has ed specs that are in place for all schools, it is FCPS that makes the decisions on these specifications and sets the precedent for such, not a community or committee, parent or resident. There has to be standard and to me that is set by FCPS. It can be the Community’s place to assist on how to meet such standards. We will always get in trouble as a system if we do something for one community and not for another. Yes, cases may be different, but children/students are our concern and we must offer all our students the same access to education in environments that will seek instructional achievement.
I am wondering if during this engagement process we/FCPS should give a brief statement to the community about the process, staff and reporting. We should say up front certain options presented may or may not be validated by the system and Board. Reasons for this will be indicated by staff/SB and offered to the community for their knowledge.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
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From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:16 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); James, Denise; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Cc: Sneed, Kevin
Subject: Re: Note
We will need to understand the details of what they are proposing as the scope of work. We will try to do so.
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From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: James, Denise; Tistadt, Dean; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Sent: Fri Mar 26 10:12:02 2010
Subject: Re: Note
I don't mind differing opinions what I do mind is "spinning" the info to an extent it becomes inaccurate.
If we allow mis perceptions of the hard data then we have done a disservice to the process.
Really, what are the ed specs for a modified reno, what are pros and cons, etc???
Liz
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From: James, Denise
To: Tistadt, Dean; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Sent: Fri Mar 26 08:56:28 2010
Subject: RE: Note
I think it would be helpful to have this conversation with Kelly and Andrew and perhaps the chair of the work integration committee Cassie Eatmon (Virginia Run)
We will have the chance to present the staff position in May, but I share the concerns about any info going out to the public that is skewed
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:16 AM
To: James, Denise; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Subject: Re: Note
Absolute facts or data should not be the problem. It's the grey areas about which I will be concerned. For example, the Clifton comittee is characterizing the reduced scope renovation as meeting all ed specs and provides no recognition of the differences between a reduced renovated Clifton and a new school. Do we allow them to present this or do we insist on inclusion of our opinion/knowledge that won't agree with their characterization?
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From: James, Denise
To: Tistadt, Dean; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Sent: Fri Mar 26 08:09:07 2010
Subject: Re: Note
It is my under standing that cassie, chair of the 'integration' grouup does want staff to review the data and facts before the presentation goes public
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From: Tistadt, Dean
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); James, Denise; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Sent: Fri Mar 26 08:05:19 2010
Subject: Re: Note
I agree with you completely. I hope we won't have any conflicts between staff and the committee but there is that risk. I hope Andrew and Kelly's leadership will reduce the likelihood of this. The bottom line, however, is that this remains the work of the committee
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From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Tistadt, Dean; James, Denise; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse)
Sent: Fri Mar 26 07:30:39 2010
Subject: Note
Dear Barbara, Denise and Dean,
I enjoyed attending the meeting last night and certainly noted the differences of opinion as well as options. I think it is time to go out to the public. From my observation it appeared the Committee members are ready for this and I noted the volunteers mentally may be done with this task. This is understandable; it has been about 5 ½ months since they began this journey.
Now as we take this information out to the public, it is important at least for me and I think the issues involved and potential decisions to be made by the School Board that the data and information presented is done so in a factual manner with little discrepancy as possible with regard to statistical information and data. It is the data and numbers that can be too easily manipulated thus causing confusion and misinterpretations. I suppose this is my very serious concern. Please let me know if you think I am “off base†on this concern. I am not too sure how the “Communications†Committee is going to compile all this information into a Community Presentation, I have faith they can do so, the Chair seems very competent. My concern continues to be that the information afforded to the greater community remains factual and have a lack of opinion and of course bias.
Thanks all and have a good weekend,
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
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Are these people delusional?
I'm serious. They talk about facts, ethics, community engagement.
Why bother?
What a joke.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
With friends like these
()
Date: January 11, 2011 05:29PM
My mother taught me at the earliest age that birds of a feather flock together.
More has been written about how Clifton residents supposedly are, with hateful accusations and attributions, but everything here are the School Board members and their friends and supporters own words.
The adage is old, but you are the company you keep to some extent.
The sheer ugliness from the CCC 'close Clifton contingent' speaks volumes.
So much has been accused by Liz Bradsher about allegedly receiving 'hate mail' - the overwhelming majority of what I have read here is TO Clifton, not by it. (see ugly email about a very decent and upstanding Clifton resident, Rob Jones, below)
Words of posters are one thing - may or may not be who or what they say they are. Bradsher, other School Board members, Staff and the CCC cannot escape their own words no matter how hard they try.
Actions have consequences - Bradsher and her supporters don't want the consequences that came with the choices they made which were devoid of any values.
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From:
Message-ID: <90396.7571ec28.39704374@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:56:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Fw: not sure you get this--hope you are doing well--I got back from 4 day...
To:
CC: ,
I got it and didn't even read before recycling - why in the world would he insert himself so strongly into the issue?. My take on this is that the only people who care/are upset are Clifton parents (they sound very entitled) and the rest of your constituency either doesn't give a damn or applauds the belt tightening. Also, there was a long letter to the editor in the local paper yesterday from a Rob Jones; I bet it's the husband of my former almost-behind-me neighbor, who moved to a gorgeous home several years ago. Believe me, if he's really hot and bothered, he can afford to send his kids to private school.
Hang in there,
Kathy
In a message dated 7/14/2010 9:57:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ETBradsher@fcps.edu writes:
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From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'lkadler@cox.net' ; 'rrobertory1@earthlink.net' ; 'kvkalland@cox.net'
Sent: Wed Jul 14 21:57:57 2010
Subject: Fw: not sure you get this--hope you are doing well--I got back from 4 days in Chicago (Intl Sys Engr Conf) and did div relay
Sent from a constituent who lives in South Run and served on the committee.
This is bad and he is really off on this. His rants have no factual basis.
Liz
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From: larsen family
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 14 21:21:18 2010
Subject: not sure you get this--hope you are doing well--I got back from 4 days in Chicago (Intl Sys Engr Conf) and did div relay
I hope you are well
Does he ever give up?
best
bob l
----- Original Message -----
From: springfield@fairfaxcounty.gov
To: larsenva@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:13 PM
Subject: The Herrity Report Special Edition -- Clifton Elementary School
Special Edition: School Board Votes to Close Clifton ES
School Board Votes to Close Clifton ES
My Thoughts and Why This Is Important To You
No Compelling Case to Close Clifton ES
What Really Happened?
Unanswered Questions
Thanks
It's Not's Over
My Testimony from the Public Hearing
School Board Votes to Close Clifton ES
In another demonstration of being out of touch with reality and common sense, the School Board voted last Thursday night to close Clifton Elementary School. I believe that their vote was misguided and wasteful. Judging from the tears on the faces of the children and many of the parents at the hearing and over the last several days, the impact of the decision will be devastating to the children, residents and businesses of Clifton.
The School Board did not have to close Clifton ES. As I describe more fully below, there was no compelling case to close Clifton Elementary School. In fact there was a compelling case to keep it open:
It is one of Fairfax County's best performing elementary schools
There were financial benefits if the school were kept open
The issues with the well water were resolved in the 11th hour (although remaining the primary reason members cited for closing the school)
The school is not in dire need of a renovation and the parents of Clifton ES lobbied to wait years for a renovation.
There was a win-win resolution available that would benefit the entire county by accelerating renovations on other schools (including West Springfield High School) and leave the school open.
My Thoughts and Why it is Important to You
The bottom line is I feel that the Fairfax County Public School (FCPS) system made the decision to close Clifton ES well before they started the community engagement process, which was nothing more than a dog and pony show. Every point FCPS made in favor of closing the school, the Clifton community responded with facts and statistics showing that FCPS was either wrong or at a minimum using incomplete data. As a result, FCPS would simply change their justification for closing the school. But FCPS and the majority of the School Board refused to consider any of it because they were determined to close the school no matter what.
You may be asking yourself, "Why should I care about a school closing in Clifton?" You should care because if this ever happens in your community you need to know this is how FCPS currently operates. The decision is made before they actually study anything, let the facts be damned. I wish I could say this was an isolated incident, just a one time case of bad judgment, but unfortunately it is par for the course with FCPS.
On everything from the school budget, to their attempt to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a fancy new administrative building, to VGLA testing, to school renovations, FCPS staff and the School Board have shown they are unwilling to make sound decisions and engage their citizenry in a constructive, meaningful dialogue. It is absolutely time for the public to hold them to a much higher standard. I hope you will join me in that effort.
No Compelling Case to Close Clifton ES
Before the vote to close Clifton ES, one School Board Member challenged the other Board Members to cite the "compelling case to close Clifton ES". No School Board Member offered the compelling case, not even the maker of the motion to close the school, Springfield District Representative Liz Bradsher. The School Board Chair reminded her fellow Board Members that staff had given them the reasons and that they were on the web site. However, the web site offered no compelling case to close the school:
Problems with the Well Water. Clifton ES is served by well water and some of the wells have had water quality issues in the past. Throughout this entire process FCPS staff cited the well water as the chief reason renovation and ongoing operating expenses at the school were high. Amazingly at the meeting they continued to reference these reasons even though the FCPS Chief Operating Officer (COO) Dean Tistadt released a report minutes before the meeting that said they had fixed the third well and that its flow was adequate and the water safe (pending the outcome of a final test and all indications are that this test will be positive as well). Pardon the pun but this part of the "compelling case" holds no water.
Declining Enrollment. FCPS staff, under the direction of Mr. Tistadt, are projecting the enrollment of Clifton ES to decrease to 298 students by 2015 (it was at 369 this past year) and thus claimed it would not be cost effective to renovate Clifton ES on a per student basis. The problem with basing such an important decision on FCPS enrollment projections is that FCPS has a horrible track record of projecting enrollment. This is one of the main reasons the four School Board Members voted to delay for three years because they know firsthand how bad the staff is with projecting enrollment. One School Board Member actually pulled out some old documents and read off multiple years of projections for Colin Powell ES, noting how wrong FCPS was year after year. Staff had no response.
It was also very odd to see the School Board endorse Mr. Tisdadt's enrollment projections when they know firsthand how incredibly inaccurate staff was at projecting the enrollment of schools like South County Secondary School and Westfields High School. There are numerous other examples throughout the county of faulty school by school projections.
The Clifton community also presented a compelling case, citing actual housing transactions, that enrollment would not be declining. They also presented a compelling case for how the school could be expanded to 550 to help solve the capacity problems in this section of the county. See below for more detail on the irony of closing a school when you have capacity issues and need to build additional facilities.
In addition, national studies indicate that for learning - smaller is better and that the optimal size for elementary schools is between 300 - 500 leaving Clifton within that range. The outstanding performance of Clifton as well as other small schools throughout this country proves this point.
Difficult/Expensive to Renovate. Another reason listed was that site constraints made the renovation of Clifton too expensive and difficult. This argument largely faded into the background as parents and the community argued for no renovation. Instead of just trying to address one or two of the areas where Clifton ES did not meet the education specification, FCPS inflated the cost of a renovation by calling for gold standard educational specs including a geothermal wall. The parents of Clifton did not want anything done to the school, it is ALREADY one of the highest performing schools in the county, but the School Board insisted on telling the parents "we know what's best for your children". The whole educational specs argument became so ridiculous during this process that one School Board Member said during the discussion on the motion to close the school that FCPS needs to take a serious look at what they require and determine if it is something they can afford going forward. Think about it, FCPS just closed one of the highest performing schools in the county because it was too expensive to implement gold standard educational specs that the parents did not want. How does that make any sense?
Closing Clifton "Saves" Money. FCPS will try and tell you that they have saved the $11 million it would cost to renovate Clifton ES and that money will be put into the renovation queue accelerating all other projects. But that is only true because FCPS is using an accountant gimmick. There are still serious capacity issues in the Southwestern portion of the county (made even worse because they just closed a school in this section of the county!) that will have to be dealt with either by building a new school or by adding capacity to multiple existing elementary schools. This means that millions of dollars are still going to be spent on something other than the renovation queue. According to FCPS that money comes out of a "different pot" though. The bottom line is this does not save FCPS any money overall because they are closing one school to build additions or another new school. In fact the only real way to save money was to keep Clifton ES open with no or limited renovations. This would have put money back into the renovation queue and reduced the need for additional capacity to be built.
Unanswered Questions
I must point out that not all School Board Members fell for the ridiculous arguments of staff. Tina Hone argued strenuously on behalf of Clifton ES and made a motion to delay this decision for up to three years so FCPS could get answers to the many unanswered questions and continue to monitor the enrollment numbers. Sandy Evans, Jim Raney and Ilryong Moon all supported her. These four School Board members also did a great job of asking tough questions and poking holes in every one of the staff's reasons for closing the school. It was very refreshing to see these four School Board Members looking for real answers from FCPS staff and to see the staff unable to refute so many of their great points.
Where Will the Children of Clifton ES Go to School? Unbelievably there is no answer. Staff lists 4 or 5 surrounding schools with some capacity but no answers. It appears a possibility the Clifton students and community will be divided up to multiple schools - at no time in the last 20 plus years has that happened in Fairfax County.
Unanswered School Board Questions? In response to the final thirty-two questions about Clifton ES posed by School Board members, eight questions were answered by FCPS staff with "additional information pending" or "response pending". How the School Board could make such an important decision while so many of their own questions went unanswered by staff is unfathomable.
How Will We Solve the Capacity Problems in Southwest County? It seems sheer lunacy to close a school when you have school capacity problems in that section of the county but that is what the School Board decided. To make matters worse they did it without the answer to how they will solve their capacity issues or what it will cost them. The original recommendation by school staff was to build a new school at the Liberty MS site and close Clifton ES. They changed the recommendation to just close Clifton ES because they could not show closing Clifton resulted in cost savings. Now we are left with the capacity issues.
What Will They Do with the Building? Unbelievably again there is no answer. Initially the answer was to give it to the Town of Clifton but they have said they can't afford it. It likely will be returned to the county where it will become another liability for Fairfax County taxpayers.
What Really Happened?
Why did they vote to close the school? I am not 100% sure why FCPS staff was so adamant about closing this school. That is a question only FCPS staff and certain members of the School Board know the real answer to. I can tell you this though; I believe that it had nothing to do with "saving money" or getting to the best answer for the citizens of Clifton or the entire county. The most cost effective option was to defer renovation on Clifton ES indefinitely and put the money back into the renovation queue. But again, from the beginning this wasn't about saving money, it was about closing this particular school no matter what.
In the end a majority of School Board Members (specifically Liz Bradsher, Tessie Wilson, Stu Gibson, Dan Storck, Kathy Smith, Janie Strauss and Brad Center) refused to consider any options and blindly followed staff's lead. In addition, these School Board Members had the audacity to tell the parents of Clifton ES that they knew what was best for their children. They told the parents that it was not right for their children to continue to attend an un-renovated school even though the school is operating just fine today and is one of the highest performing elementary schools in the county.
Thanks
I want to thank the members of the Clifton community who stepped up and challenged FCPS on this horrible decision. I don't want to list names because there were so many dedicated people involved and I fear I might leave somebody out. But you know who you are and I thank you for the hundreds and hundreds of hours you spent fighting on behalf of the children of Clifton and especially for coming up with and advocating for a solution that benefited EVERY child in this county, not just your own. It is a shame you couldn't count on the School Board to do the same.
I also want to thank the School Board members that risked being at odds with school staff (unfortunately an uncomfortable place to be) and asking the intelligent questions that staff should have been asking - most notably - Tina Hone, Sandy Evans and Patty Reed as well as Jim Raney and Ilryong Moon. I hope you continue your search for the best answer and keep asking the tough questions.
It's Not Over
The battle for Clifton ES is not over and I am pleased to inform you that a number of efforts are underway. Community members are working on many fronts with some examples including historic preservation funding/process, the upcoming fall boundary study goals, and yes, a group is researching the basis and results of prior legal actions taken in similar situations around Fairfax County.
I will keep you informed in future versions of the Herrity Report and encourage you to sign up at http://www.savecliftonelementary.org/ for more regular information.
My Testimony on Saving Clifton ES Before the School Board
At the June 28th public hearing I delivered testimony to the School board on a solution that I thought was a win-win solution that would keep Clifton ES open and accelerate the renovation of other schools (including West Springfield HS).
Testimony of Supervisor Pat Herrity
Clifton Elementary School Public Hearing
June 28, 2010
Chairman Smith and members of the School Board, my name is Pat Herrity and I am the Springfield District Supervisor and a resident of Little Rocky Run.
Thank you for the opportunity to speak before you again tonight. I apologize for not having prepared remarks, I left my family at the Outer Banks early this morning to get back here to testify and I did not have time to copy my remarks. I will send them to you tomorrow.
Tonight I am here to speak on behalf of many of my constituents and to respectfully request that you keep Clifton Elementary School open. I am not going repeat many of the arguments you have heard tonight but I want to discuss a possible solution.
I believe one option and perhaps the best option is to defer renovation and not close Clifton Elementary, something you have heard tonight from parents of the Clifton community. Clifton does not need an immediate full scale renovation.
Keeping Clifton ES open and deferring renovation would be beneficial for four major reasons and could be a win-win solution for the entire county:
It allows the Clifton community to keep their community school
It puts $11 million back into the CIP, allowing schools throughout the county that are in dire need of renovation to move up on the CIP. A win-win for Clifton and school communities throughout the entire county.
Per today's letter from Virginia's Department of Historic Resources, it gives us time to explore the potential use of creative partnerships and historic rehabilitation tax credits to rehabilitate school buildings for continued educational use.
It keeps options open for the future - most importantly for future expansion to address the overcrowding or some form of renovation
The study to close Clifton ES was included with a Southwestern Boundary study and those capacity issues have yet to be addressed. The initial recommendation was to build at the Liberty MS site and close Clifton ES. I ask you to please consider the very real and serious challenges posed by the Liberty Middle School site.
Traffic from the four current schools plus the proposed new school on two lane Union Mill Road
The location is not near the overpopulated schools
There are serious health and cost issues with naturally occurring asbestos at the site
Cost
And if these issues can't be overcome and you can't build a new school at Liberty, what will happen to children at Clifton? Won't the kids be sent to three or four different elementary schools? At no time in the last 20 years has Fairfax County closed an elementary school and broken school population into three or four different elementary schools. It's not right to do it now to the Clifton community; especially when there is an option on the table that keeps Clifton ES open AND puts $11 million back into the CIP. So let me make recent school closing history a fifth major reason to keep the school open and a key difference from the Graham Road closing.
Again I ask that you please consider deferring renovation on Clifton ES and keeping it open because it is the solution that is in the best interest of:
The students
The Clifton community
And the entire county because it accelerates the CIP
Clifton is a community school and the parents are willing to forgo a full renovation in order to save this school. There are options on the table that work for Clifton, the school system and this School Board - let's take the time to find them. Please keep this school open. Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'larsenva@cox.net'
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: How are you?
You are a busy man!
I too took today off. The Clifton issue has been overwhelming and whatever happens I know I will be very careful with my vote for Supervisor in Springfield!
The votes are ther to close but it is not strong, and it needs to be a strong support of votes by the Board. I have a meeting this afternoon with staff (took my other job off).
Thank you for your continued support and I am glad you are FEELING BETTER!!
Liz
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From: larsen family
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Fri Jul 02 06:16:11 2010
Subject: How are you?
Good AM
My mtg was postponed again. I did it 530pm Wed night...went to 630pm. It was a big success. I got home after 8pm to eat dinner. I have a lot to do in 3 weeks, but I have my boss guidance and all the three stars understand my tasks and objectives for the next three to four months
I took yesterday off to get rid of the sinus infection. I feel very good today
How did it go for you? Are you feeling the hard part is over
No reports on details, except some generalities in the post
Joanna and I will decide about Moon's offer this weekend
Have a good 4th
sincerely
bob l
More has been written about how Clifton residents supposedly are, with hateful accusations and attributions, but everything here are the School Board members and their friends and supporters own words.
The adage is old, but you are the company you keep to some extent.
The sheer ugliness from the CCC 'close Clifton contingent' speaks volumes.
So much has been accused by Liz Bradsher about allegedly receiving 'hate mail' - the overwhelming majority of what I have read here is TO Clifton, not by it. (see ugly email about a very decent and upstanding Clifton resident, Rob Jones, below)
Words of posters are one thing - may or may not be who or what they say they are. Bradsher, other School Board members, Staff and the CCC cannot escape their own words no matter how hard they try.
Actions have consequences - Bradsher and her supporters don't want the consequences that came with the choices they made which were devoid of any values.
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From:
Message-ID: <90396.7571ec28.39704374@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:56:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Fw: not sure you get this--hope you are doing well--I got back from 4 day...
To:
CC: ,
I got it and didn't even read before recycling - why in the world would he insert himself so strongly into the issue?. My take on this is that the only people who care/are upset are Clifton parents (they sound very entitled) and the rest of your constituency either doesn't give a damn or applauds the belt tightening. Also, there was a long letter to the editor in the local paper yesterday from a Rob Jones; I bet it's the husband of my former almost-behind-me neighbor, who moved to a gorgeous home several years ago. Believe me, if he's really hot and bothered, he can afford to send his kids to private school.
Hang in there,
Kathy
In a message dated 7/14/2010 9:57:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ETBradsher@fcps.edu writes:
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From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'lkadler@cox.net' ; 'rrobertory1@earthlink.net' ; 'kvkalland@cox.net'
Sent: Wed Jul 14 21:57:57 2010
Subject: Fw: not sure you get this--hope you are doing well--I got back from 4 days in Chicago (Intl Sys Engr Conf) and did div relay
Sent from a constituent who lives in South Run and served on the committee.
This is bad and he is really off on this. His rants have no factual basis.
Liz
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From: larsen family
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wed Jul 14 21:21:18 2010
Subject: not sure you get this--hope you are doing well--I got back from 4 days in Chicago (Intl Sys Engr Conf) and did div relay
I hope you are well
Does he ever give up?
best
bob l
----- Original Message -----
From: springfield@fairfaxcounty.gov
To: larsenva@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:13 PM
Subject: The Herrity Report Special Edition -- Clifton Elementary School
Special Edition: School Board Votes to Close Clifton ES
School Board Votes to Close Clifton ES
My Thoughts and Why This Is Important To You
No Compelling Case to Close Clifton ES
What Really Happened?
Unanswered Questions
Thanks
It's Not's Over
My Testimony from the Public Hearing
School Board Votes to Close Clifton ES
In another demonstration of being out of touch with reality and common sense, the School Board voted last Thursday night to close Clifton Elementary School. I believe that their vote was misguided and wasteful. Judging from the tears on the faces of the children and many of the parents at the hearing and over the last several days, the impact of the decision will be devastating to the children, residents and businesses of Clifton.
The School Board did not have to close Clifton ES. As I describe more fully below, there was no compelling case to close Clifton Elementary School. In fact there was a compelling case to keep it open:
It is one of Fairfax County's best performing elementary schools
There were financial benefits if the school were kept open
The issues with the well water were resolved in the 11th hour (although remaining the primary reason members cited for closing the school)
The school is not in dire need of a renovation and the parents of Clifton ES lobbied to wait years for a renovation.
There was a win-win resolution available that would benefit the entire county by accelerating renovations on other schools (including West Springfield High School) and leave the school open.
My Thoughts and Why it is Important to You
The bottom line is I feel that the Fairfax County Public School (FCPS) system made the decision to close Clifton ES well before they started the community engagement process, which was nothing more than a dog and pony show. Every point FCPS made in favor of closing the school, the Clifton community responded with facts and statistics showing that FCPS was either wrong or at a minimum using incomplete data. As a result, FCPS would simply change their justification for closing the school. But FCPS and the majority of the School Board refused to consider any of it because they were determined to close the school no matter what.
You may be asking yourself, "Why should I care about a school closing in Clifton?" You should care because if this ever happens in your community you need to know this is how FCPS currently operates. The decision is made before they actually study anything, let the facts be damned. I wish I could say this was an isolated incident, just a one time case of bad judgment, but unfortunately it is par for the course with FCPS.
On everything from the school budget, to their attempt to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a fancy new administrative building, to VGLA testing, to school renovations, FCPS staff and the School Board have shown they are unwilling to make sound decisions and engage their citizenry in a constructive, meaningful dialogue. It is absolutely time for the public to hold them to a much higher standard. I hope you will join me in that effort.
No Compelling Case to Close Clifton ES
Before the vote to close Clifton ES, one School Board Member challenged the other Board Members to cite the "compelling case to close Clifton ES". No School Board Member offered the compelling case, not even the maker of the motion to close the school, Springfield District Representative Liz Bradsher. The School Board Chair reminded her fellow Board Members that staff had given them the reasons and that they were on the web site. However, the web site offered no compelling case to close the school:
Problems with the Well Water. Clifton ES is served by well water and some of the wells have had water quality issues in the past. Throughout this entire process FCPS staff cited the well water as the chief reason renovation and ongoing operating expenses at the school were high. Amazingly at the meeting they continued to reference these reasons even though the FCPS Chief Operating Officer (COO) Dean Tistadt released a report minutes before the meeting that said they had fixed the third well and that its flow was adequate and the water safe (pending the outcome of a final test and all indications are that this test will be positive as well). Pardon the pun but this part of the "compelling case" holds no water.
Declining Enrollment. FCPS staff, under the direction of Mr. Tistadt, are projecting the enrollment of Clifton ES to decrease to 298 students by 2015 (it was at 369 this past year) and thus claimed it would not be cost effective to renovate Clifton ES on a per student basis. The problem with basing such an important decision on FCPS enrollment projections is that FCPS has a horrible track record of projecting enrollment. This is one of the main reasons the four School Board Members voted to delay for three years because they know firsthand how bad the staff is with projecting enrollment. One School Board Member actually pulled out some old documents and read off multiple years of projections for Colin Powell ES, noting how wrong FCPS was year after year. Staff had no response.
It was also very odd to see the School Board endorse Mr. Tisdadt's enrollment projections when they know firsthand how incredibly inaccurate staff was at projecting the enrollment of schools like South County Secondary School and Westfields High School. There are numerous other examples throughout the county of faulty school by school projections.
The Clifton community also presented a compelling case, citing actual housing transactions, that enrollment would not be declining. They also presented a compelling case for how the school could be expanded to 550 to help solve the capacity problems in this section of the county. See below for more detail on the irony of closing a school when you have capacity issues and need to build additional facilities.
In addition, national studies indicate that for learning - smaller is better and that the optimal size for elementary schools is between 300 - 500 leaving Clifton within that range. The outstanding performance of Clifton as well as other small schools throughout this country proves this point.
Difficult/Expensive to Renovate. Another reason listed was that site constraints made the renovation of Clifton too expensive and difficult. This argument largely faded into the background as parents and the community argued for no renovation. Instead of just trying to address one or two of the areas where Clifton ES did not meet the education specification, FCPS inflated the cost of a renovation by calling for gold standard educational specs including a geothermal wall. The parents of Clifton did not want anything done to the school, it is ALREADY one of the highest performing schools in the county, but the School Board insisted on telling the parents "we know what's best for your children". The whole educational specs argument became so ridiculous during this process that one School Board Member said during the discussion on the motion to close the school that FCPS needs to take a serious look at what they require and determine if it is something they can afford going forward. Think about it, FCPS just closed one of the highest performing schools in the county because it was too expensive to implement gold standard educational specs that the parents did not want. How does that make any sense?
Closing Clifton "Saves" Money. FCPS will try and tell you that they have saved the $11 million it would cost to renovate Clifton ES and that money will be put into the renovation queue accelerating all other projects. But that is only true because FCPS is using an accountant gimmick. There are still serious capacity issues in the Southwestern portion of the county (made even worse because they just closed a school in this section of the county!) that will have to be dealt with either by building a new school or by adding capacity to multiple existing elementary schools. This means that millions of dollars are still going to be spent on something other than the renovation queue. According to FCPS that money comes out of a "different pot" though. The bottom line is this does not save FCPS any money overall because they are closing one school to build additions or another new school. In fact the only real way to save money was to keep Clifton ES open with no or limited renovations. This would have put money back into the renovation queue and reduced the need for additional capacity to be built.
Unanswered Questions
I must point out that not all School Board Members fell for the ridiculous arguments of staff. Tina Hone argued strenuously on behalf of Clifton ES and made a motion to delay this decision for up to three years so FCPS could get answers to the many unanswered questions and continue to monitor the enrollment numbers. Sandy Evans, Jim Raney and Ilryong Moon all supported her. These four School Board members also did a great job of asking tough questions and poking holes in every one of the staff's reasons for closing the school. It was very refreshing to see these four School Board Members looking for real answers from FCPS staff and to see the staff unable to refute so many of their great points.
Where Will the Children of Clifton ES Go to School? Unbelievably there is no answer. Staff lists 4 or 5 surrounding schools with some capacity but no answers. It appears a possibility the Clifton students and community will be divided up to multiple schools - at no time in the last 20 plus years has that happened in Fairfax County.
Unanswered School Board Questions? In response to the final thirty-two questions about Clifton ES posed by School Board members, eight questions were answered by FCPS staff with "additional information pending" or "response pending". How the School Board could make such an important decision while so many of their own questions went unanswered by staff is unfathomable.
How Will We Solve the Capacity Problems in Southwest County? It seems sheer lunacy to close a school when you have school capacity problems in that section of the county but that is what the School Board decided. To make matters worse they did it without the answer to how they will solve their capacity issues or what it will cost them. The original recommendation by school staff was to build a new school at the Liberty MS site and close Clifton ES. They changed the recommendation to just close Clifton ES because they could not show closing Clifton resulted in cost savings. Now we are left with the capacity issues.
What Will They Do with the Building? Unbelievably again there is no answer. Initially the answer was to give it to the Town of Clifton but they have said they can't afford it. It likely will be returned to the county where it will become another liability for Fairfax County taxpayers.
What Really Happened?
Why did they vote to close the school? I am not 100% sure why FCPS staff was so adamant about closing this school. That is a question only FCPS staff and certain members of the School Board know the real answer to. I can tell you this though; I believe that it had nothing to do with "saving money" or getting to the best answer for the citizens of Clifton or the entire county. The most cost effective option was to defer renovation on Clifton ES indefinitely and put the money back into the renovation queue. But again, from the beginning this wasn't about saving money, it was about closing this particular school no matter what.
In the end a majority of School Board Members (specifically Liz Bradsher, Tessie Wilson, Stu Gibson, Dan Storck, Kathy Smith, Janie Strauss and Brad Center) refused to consider any options and blindly followed staff's lead. In addition, these School Board Members had the audacity to tell the parents of Clifton ES that they knew what was best for their children. They told the parents that it was not right for their children to continue to attend an un-renovated school even though the school is operating just fine today and is one of the highest performing elementary schools in the county.
Thanks
I want to thank the members of the Clifton community who stepped up and challenged FCPS on this horrible decision. I don't want to list names because there were so many dedicated people involved and I fear I might leave somebody out. But you know who you are and I thank you for the hundreds and hundreds of hours you spent fighting on behalf of the children of Clifton and especially for coming up with and advocating for a solution that benefited EVERY child in this county, not just your own. It is a shame you couldn't count on the School Board to do the same.
I also want to thank the School Board members that risked being at odds with school staff (unfortunately an uncomfortable place to be) and asking the intelligent questions that staff should have been asking - most notably - Tina Hone, Sandy Evans and Patty Reed as well as Jim Raney and Ilryong Moon. I hope you continue your search for the best answer and keep asking the tough questions.
It's Not Over
The battle for Clifton ES is not over and I am pleased to inform you that a number of efforts are underway. Community members are working on many fronts with some examples including historic preservation funding/process, the upcoming fall boundary study goals, and yes, a group is researching the basis and results of prior legal actions taken in similar situations around Fairfax County.
I will keep you informed in future versions of the Herrity Report and encourage you to sign up at http://www.savecliftonelementary.org/ for more regular information.
My Testimony on Saving Clifton ES Before the School Board
At the June 28th public hearing I delivered testimony to the School board on a solution that I thought was a win-win solution that would keep Clifton ES open and accelerate the renovation of other schools (including West Springfield HS).
Testimony of Supervisor Pat Herrity
Clifton Elementary School Public Hearing
June 28, 2010
Chairman Smith and members of the School Board, my name is Pat Herrity and I am the Springfield District Supervisor and a resident of Little Rocky Run.
Thank you for the opportunity to speak before you again tonight. I apologize for not having prepared remarks, I left my family at the Outer Banks early this morning to get back here to testify and I did not have time to copy my remarks. I will send them to you tomorrow.
Tonight I am here to speak on behalf of many of my constituents and to respectfully request that you keep Clifton Elementary School open. I am not going repeat many of the arguments you have heard tonight but I want to discuss a possible solution.
I believe one option and perhaps the best option is to defer renovation and not close Clifton Elementary, something you have heard tonight from parents of the Clifton community. Clifton does not need an immediate full scale renovation.
Keeping Clifton ES open and deferring renovation would be beneficial for four major reasons and could be a win-win solution for the entire county:
It allows the Clifton community to keep their community school
It puts $11 million back into the CIP, allowing schools throughout the county that are in dire need of renovation to move up on the CIP. A win-win for Clifton and school communities throughout the entire county.
Per today's letter from Virginia's Department of Historic Resources, it gives us time to explore the potential use of creative partnerships and historic rehabilitation tax credits to rehabilitate school buildings for continued educational use.
It keeps options open for the future - most importantly for future expansion to address the overcrowding or some form of renovation
The study to close Clifton ES was included with a Southwestern Boundary study and those capacity issues have yet to be addressed. The initial recommendation was to build at the Liberty MS site and close Clifton ES. I ask you to please consider the very real and serious challenges posed by the Liberty Middle School site.
Traffic from the four current schools plus the proposed new school on two lane Union Mill Road
The location is not near the overpopulated schools
There are serious health and cost issues with naturally occurring asbestos at the site
Cost
And if these issues can't be overcome and you can't build a new school at Liberty, what will happen to children at Clifton? Won't the kids be sent to three or four different elementary schools? At no time in the last 20 years has Fairfax County closed an elementary school and broken school population into three or four different elementary schools. It's not right to do it now to the Clifton community; especially when there is an option on the table that keeps Clifton ES open AND puts $11 million back into the CIP. So let me make recent school closing history a fifth major reason to keep the school open and a key difference from the Graham Road closing.
Again I ask that you please consider deferring renovation on Clifton ES and keeping it open because it is the solution that is in the best interest of:
The students
The Clifton community
And the entire county because it accelerates the CIP
Clifton is a community school and the parents are willing to forgo a full renovation in order to save this school. There are options on the table that work for Clifton, the school system and this School Board - let's take the time to find them. Please keep this school open. Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'larsenva@cox.net'
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: How are you?
You are a busy man!
I too took today off. The Clifton issue has been overwhelming and whatever happens I know I will be very careful with my vote for Supervisor in Springfield!
The votes are ther to close but it is not strong, and it needs to be a strong support of votes by the Board. I have a meeting this afternoon with staff (took my other job off).
Thank you for your continued support and I am glad you are FEELING BETTER!!
Liz
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From: larsen family
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Fri Jul 02 06:16:11 2010
Subject: How are you?
Good AM
My mtg was postponed again. I did it 530pm Wed night...went to 630pm. It was a big success. I got home after 8pm to eat dinner. I have a lot to do in 3 weeks, but I have my boss guidance and all the three stars understand my tasks and objectives for the next three to four months
I took yesterday off to get rid of the sinus infection. I feel very good today
How did it go for you? Are you feeling the hard part is over
No reports on details, except some generalities in the post
Joanna and I will decide about Moon's offer this weekend
Have a good 4th
sincerely
bob l
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Kara again-sigh
()
Date: January 11, 2011 05:39PM
From: Kara Prichard [karanchris@verizon.net]
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); larsen family
CC: Storck, Dan (School Board Member); Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member); Center, Brad (School Board Member); Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member); Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Hone, Tina (School Board Member); Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Strauss, Jane (School Board Member); Jean Naka; Melody Rudy; Robert F COL MIL USA VCSA Larsen; Reed, Patty (School Board Member); Evans, Sandy (School Board Member)
BCC:
Sent: 6/11/2010 11:06:26 AM
Subject: SW Boundary Input for public meeting--someone who was deeply involved in the study
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School Board Members,
I know you are hearing quite a bit about how important it is to keep Clifton open - and I get it. However, the SW Boundary Study Committee was formed to look at the overcrowding in many schools and at the Clifton issue. Not, how can Clifton be saved, no matter how hard some worked to change it. I was there and I saw and I heard and I was appalled. The committee was formed to become a model for bringing the community into the process and if the entire group's work is not heeded, the whole process is a waste of time. There were many parents who were on that committee to work hard and help make good suggestions for the whole county and not just to support one small school. We worked hard to present alternative solutions that will fill many needs and I don't want to see them ignored. I am not condemning the value parents feel they are receiving at Clifton, I just feel that it is too much money for a school that will only deliver results for a small group.
I am certain you are under tremendous political pressure to only consider the historical significance of this school. However, you are our elected officials and we are all rooting for you to make the best choices for all of our students. With jobs and homes being lost, it seems incomprehensible to consider the amount of money needed to bring Clifton to standards. That will take SO many resources from SO many children to give to a few. It is time for the old school to close and build a new school that can give MANY children the education they need in an environment that is not overcrowded or dilapidated.
A wealthy few cannot be allowed to take from the rest of this county. Any new taxes or bond referendums should only be considered when they can do the most good for the most. Please do not give in and take from my children to give to a few.
Thank you,
Kara
Kara Prichard
CRES PTA President
Creative Memories Consultant
www.creativememories.com/karaprichard
CM Photocenter ID: 49336278
703-830-0799
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism." Anonymous
Again-is she representing her PTA?
Why does she use the title in her email if she isn't?
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); larsen family
CC: Storck, Dan (School Board Member); Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member); Center, Brad (School Board Member); Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member); Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Hone, Tina (School Board Member); Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Strauss, Jane (School Board Member); Jean Naka; Melody Rudy; Robert F COL MIL USA VCSA Larsen; Reed, Patty (School Board Member); Evans, Sandy (School Board Member)
BCC:
Sent: 6/11/2010 11:06:26 AM
Subject: SW Boundary Input for public meeting--someone who was deeply involved in the study
Attachments:
School Board Members,
I know you are hearing quite a bit about how important it is to keep Clifton open - and I get it. However, the SW Boundary Study Committee was formed to look at the overcrowding in many schools and at the Clifton issue. Not, how can Clifton be saved, no matter how hard some worked to change it. I was there and I saw and I heard and I was appalled. The committee was formed to become a model for bringing the community into the process and if the entire group's work is not heeded, the whole process is a waste of time. There were many parents who were on that committee to work hard and help make good suggestions for the whole county and not just to support one small school. We worked hard to present alternative solutions that will fill many needs and I don't want to see them ignored. I am not condemning the value parents feel they are receiving at Clifton, I just feel that it is too much money for a school that will only deliver results for a small group.
I am certain you are under tremendous political pressure to only consider the historical significance of this school. However, you are our elected officials and we are all rooting for you to make the best choices for all of our students. With jobs and homes being lost, it seems incomprehensible to consider the amount of money needed to bring Clifton to standards. That will take SO many resources from SO many children to give to a few. It is time for the old school to close and build a new school that can give MANY children the education they need in an environment that is not overcrowded or dilapidated.
A wealthy few cannot be allowed to take from the rest of this county. Any new taxes or bond referendums should only be considered when they can do the most good for the most. Please do not give in and take from my children to give to a few.
Thank you,
Kara
Kara Prichard
CRES PTA President
Creative Memories Consultant
www.creativememories.com/karaprichard
CM Photocenter ID: 49336278
703-830-0799
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism." Anonymous
Again-is she representing her PTA?
Why does she use the title in her email if she isn't?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
EGO of Liz
()
Date: January 11, 2011 05:39PM
Quoting Liz's email above:
"...we need more support of what I feel is right."
It's disturbing how arrogant and unintelligent Liz Bradsher is. How was she elected to the school board?
And why does Dean Tisdadt want Clifton closed so badly?
"...we need more support of what I feel is right."
It's disturbing how arrogant and unintelligent Liz Bradsher is. How was she elected to the school board?
And why does Dean Tisdadt want Clifton closed so badly?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Good One
()
Date: January 11, 2011 05:40PM
Repost from above - July 2nd and she had the votes to close - but it was "open and transparent".
B.S.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'larsenva@cox.net'
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: How are you?
You are a busy man!
I too took today off. The Clifton issue has been overwhelming and whatever happens I know I will be very careful with my vote for Supervisor in Springfield!
The votes are ther to close but it is not strong, and it needs to be a strong support of votes by the Board. I have a meeting this afternoon with staff (took my other job off).
Thank you for your continued support and I am glad you are FEELING BETTER!!
Liz
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B.S.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: 'larsenva@cox.net'
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: How are you?
You are a busy man!
I too took today off. The Clifton issue has been overwhelming and whatever happens I know I will be very careful with my vote for Supervisor in Springfield!
The votes are ther to close but it is not strong, and it needs to be a strong support of votes by the Board. I have a meeting this afternoon with staff (took my other job off).
Thank you for your continued support and I am glad you are FEELING BETTER!!
Liz
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Erik runs the CIP
()
Date: January 11, 2011 05:48PM
From: Erik & Mary Hawkins [em.hawkins@verizon.net]
To: Rob Robertory; Wardinski, Paul A.; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Christian Deschauer; Monique Craft; Nancy Knickerbocker; Leslie Carlin; Lynn Smith; Lorey Goerlinger; Christine Morin; Erik Work; Pat Herrity; Paul Liberty
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/9/2010 11:16:59 PM
Subject: Reenaging SOAR for July FCPS Staff/SB CIP Meetings
Attachments:
June 2010 SOAR Advocacy Strategy.doc
Hello SOAR Leadership Team!
I hope this email finds everyone well! As we have emerged from the operating budget resolution, I have been catching up on CIP issues over the past month to prepare for anticipated mid-year FCPS Staff/SB meetings per the CIP meeting in Jan 2010. I have been asking Liz all kinds of questions, she's met with Dean T/Kevin Sneed, and I met with Liz last week. I've also met with Paul Liberty.
Here are all the updates I have been able to gather:
* Staff/SB will be discussing the CIP in July work session(s) (I don’t know the exact July dates). This may be one of our last major chances to try to positively impact the timeline of the WSHS renovation. This is the first time that Staff/SB will discuss the CIP outside of the normal Oct – Jan timeline. What if the economy rebounds by next Spring and construction costs rise?
* The current WSHS renovation timing baseline is the Nov 2013 bond for planning funding only; the Nov 2015 bond for construction funding, with a renovation beginning in the summer of 2016.
* That puts a fully renovated WSHS in the summer of 2019. WSHS's position in the CIP queue has accelerated approx 2-3 years (from the 2017 bond for construction to the 2015 bond) entirely due to the cost savings mainly from the April 2009 Edison HS ($21M in savings) and the Dec 2009 Longfellow MS ($12M in savings) bids. The WSHS modest acceleration has not been due to any proactive steps taken by FCPS. I think anything less than the 2011 bond for planning and the 2013 bond for construction is a failure. Assuming that FCPS can't or won't seek any additional CIP funding sources ...
* FCPS may take the position (Dean/Kevin have already told this to Liz) that a 2019 renovation falls within the FCPS 30-year goal given the WSHS "patch & paint" was completed in 1989. We feel strongly that WSHS and all the Legacy 5 should be exempt from counting back to the late 80s partial renovations. Kevin Sneed has admitted to me that the "patch & paint" was so relatively minor compared to the full-scale renovations of today - no structural, mechanical, etc. I think we need to push back HARD if FCPS continues to tell us that WSHS falls within the 30-year FCPS renovation window. Especially also since Dean T admitted publicly that WSHS has been "omitted and overlooked" in past CIP queues. How was this allowed to happen? Being "omitted and overlooked" is at least partially to blame why we are in the predicament we are in now. The WSHS renovation should be much farther along in the CIP than it is now!
* I came across this in my research: "Since the early 1990s all FCPS renovation projects have been conducted using the full scope renovation methodology. These projects not only involve the replacement of primary building support systems (electrical, mechanical, roof) and architectural finishes, but additions and physical changes to the building brining it into alignment with the most current version of the educational specifications and other program initiatives." WSHS has received NONE of this! And it frustrates me more and more, esp since the current WSHS facility does not provide optimal educational environments, especially in science, technology and music.
* Capacity issues still dominate the CIP in the Annandale and Southwestern County areas. Capacity boundary studies are underway in both areas and Staff will present final reports of these studies to the SB in the July meetings.
* The SW Study (SW Regional Planning Study) addresses overcrowding at 28 ES in SW Fairfax County and includes the facility issue at Clifton ES.
* The SW Study decision/actions will directly impact the CIP queue and WSHS. I've been told that Staff will present their report to the SB at the 6/14 work session. Implications to the CIP will be discussed. This study includes the facility at Clifton ES which has been a very contentious, controversial and political issue. The main issue is whether to close Clifton ES and move those kids (and others) to a new ES planned nearby or to renovate Clifton ES. FCPS wants to close Clifton and instead build a new school due to the complexity and extra cost anticipated for a Clifton renovation.
* I read the SW report and here is what FCPS states about Clifton ES: " .... the challenges and additional costs that would occur if FCPS moves forward with the planned renovation of Clifton ES which has been planned for completion in 2013-14. Clifton options: 1) Renovate Clifton with a cost estimate of $11M (50% higher than a usual ES renovation); or, 2) Close Clifton and relocate students to a new ES already planned on the Liberty MS site." FCPS reported issues with a Clifton ES involve well water (the only FCPS school not on county water system) with potentially contaminated wells and site issues. The $11M cost is also being contested by the community, and the community is also advocating for a smaller scale renovation than what FCPS says is necessary. There are also FCPS public hearings scheduled for 6/28 to discuss the Clifton facility issue. There is also a community advocacy group: http://www.savecliftonelementary.org/
* Per Liz, the initial estimates of what funding is needed to resolve all the SW Study issues = $25M --> $11M for Clifton ES renovation + additions to 4 ES at $12M. A key question for the July meetings - exactly how much is needed for capacity projects and how much in additional savings can be redeployed back to the CIP renovation queue? We KNOW we have urgent issues there ... FCPS has been studying capacity issues for 2 years now so they should be able to figure out exactly what capacity projects are needed, esp if the main capacity problem areas are only in Annandale and SW Fairfax County.
* The Annandale study is of note b/c one proposal reallocates HS students from overcrowded Annandale HS to under-capacity Falls Church HS. FCHS is also the LAST HS in the CIP renovation queue that isn't even close to being on the radar. Dean T told Liz that one benefit of having WSHS move into the 2013 planning bond is that WSHS is now within the 5-year window of the current CIP and could not get "bumped" when FCPS tries to accelerate FCHS to deal with urgent immediate capacity needs. I think this is a perfect (but unfortunate) metaphor how the overall CIP queue is a FCPS-wide problem that needs to be addressed now. Rather than bumping FCPS ahead of all other HS b/c they need capacity now to relieve Annandale, how about figuring out solutions to accelerate the CIP queue!
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Those are about all the updates I have been able to gather. I think we should quickly develop and implement a full-throttle SOAR advocacy/PR campaign to influence the CIP Staff/SB decision-makers over the next month as the CIP is being addressed on all the issues above in July. This may be one of our last major chances to influence the timing of the WSHS renovation. And 2019 is totally unacceptable to me.
I have prepared the attached draft SOAR Advocacy Strategy doc. Thoughts? I would like for us to meet within a week to discuss, align, and plan next steps. Can you please let me know your availability to meet over the next week? We had the 3rd Wed evening of every month teed up a long time ago but I'm not sure if that would still work for folks - that would be Wed 6/16. Or I could also do a morning meeting at the bagel shop and can be flexible. I'd just like for us to meet as soon as possible to discuss.
Thanks, Erik
To: Rob Robertory; Wardinski, Paul A.; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Christian Deschauer; Monique Craft; Nancy Knickerbocker; Leslie Carlin; Lynn Smith; Lorey Goerlinger; Christine Morin; Erik Work; Pat Herrity; Paul Liberty
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/9/2010 11:16:59 PM
Subject: Reenaging SOAR for July FCPS Staff/SB CIP Meetings
Attachments:
June 2010 SOAR Advocacy Strategy.doc
Hello SOAR Leadership Team!
I hope this email finds everyone well! As we have emerged from the operating budget resolution, I have been catching up on CIP issues over the past month to prepare for anticipated mid-year FCPS Staff/SB meetings per the CIP meeting in Jan 2010. I have been asking Liz all kinds of questions, she's met with Dean T/Kevin Sneed, and I met with Liz last week. I've also met with Paul Liberty.
Here are all the updates I have been able to gather:
* Staff/SB will be discussing the CIP in July work session(s) (I don’t know the exact July dates). This may be one of our last major chances to try to positively impact the timeline of the WSHS renovation. This is the first time that Staff/SB will discuss the CIP outside of the normal Oct – Jan timeline. What if the economy rebounds by next Spring and construction costs rise?
* The current WSHS renovation timing baseline is the Nov 2013 bond for planning funding only; the Nov 2015 bond for construction funding, with a renovation beginning in the summer of 2016.
* That puts a fully renovated WSHS in the summer of 2019. WSHS's position in the CIP queue has accelerated approx 2-3 years (from the 2017 bond for construction to the 2015 bond) entirely due to the cost savings mainly from the April 2009 Edison HS ($21M in savings) and the Dec 2009 Longfellow MS ($12M in savings) bids. The WSHS modest acceleration has not been due to any proactive steps taken by FCPS. I think anything less than the 2011 bond for planning and the 2013 bond for construction is a failure. Assuming that FCPS can't or won't seek any additional CIP funding sources ...
* FCPS may take the position (Dean/Kevin have already told this to Liz) that a 2019 renovation falls within the FCPS 30-year goal given the WSHS "patch & paint" was completed in 1989. We feel strongly that WSHS and all the Legacy 5 should be exempt from counting back to the late 80s partial renovations. Kevin Sneed has admitted to me that the "patch & paint" was so relatively minor compared to the full-scale renovations of today - no structural, mechanical, etc. I think we need to push back HARD if FCPS continues to tell us that WSHS falls within the 30-year FCPS renovation window. Especially also since Dean T admitted publicly that WSHS has been "omitted and overlooked" in past CIP queues. How was this allowed to happen? Being "omitted and overlooked" is at least partially to blame why we are in the predicament we are in now. The WSHS renovation should be much farther along in the CIP than it is now!
* I came across this in my research: "Since the early 1990s all FCPS renovation projects have been conducted using the full scope renovation methodology. These projects not only involve the replacement of primary building support systems (electrical, mechanical, roof) and architectural finishes, but additions and physical changes to the building brining it into alignment with the most current version of the educational specifications and other program initiatives." WSHS has received NONE of this! And it frustrates me more and more, esp since the current WSHS facility does not provide optimal educational environments, especially in science, technology and music.
* Capacity issues still dominate the CIP in the Annandale and Southwestern County areas. Capacity boundary studies are underway in both areas and Staff will present final reports of these studies to the SB in the July meetings.
* The SW Study (SW Regional Planning Study) addresses overcrowding at 28 ES in SW Fairfax County and includes the facility issue at Clifton ES.
* The SW Study decision/actions will directly impact the CIP queue and WSHS. I've been told that Staff will present their report to the SB at the 6/14 work session. Implications to the CIP will be discussed. This study includes the facility at Clifton ES which has been a very contentious, controversial and political issue. The main issue is whether to close Clifton ES and move those kids (and others) to a new ES planned nearby or to renovate Clifton ES. FCPS wants to close Clifton and instead build a new school due to the complexity and extra cost anticipated for a Clifton renovation.
* I read the SW report and here is what FCPS states about Clifton ES: " .... the challenges and additional costs that would occur if FCPS moves forward with the planned renovation of Clifton ES which has been planned for completion in 2013-14. Clifton options: 1) Renovate Clifton with a cost estimate of $11M (50% higher than a usual ES renovation); or, 2) Close Clifton and relocate students to a new ES already planned on the Liberty MS site." FCPS reported issues with a Clifton ES involve well water (the only FCPS school not on county water system) with potentially contaminated wells and site issues. The $11M cost is also being contested by the community, and the community is also advocating for a smaller scale renovation than what FCPS says is necessary. There are also FCPS public hearings scheduled for 6/28 to discuss the Clifton facility issue. There is also a community advocacy group: http://www.savecliftonelementary.org/
* Per Liz, the initial estimates of what funding is needed to resolve all the SW Study issues = $25M --> $11M for Clifton ES renovation + additions to 4 ES at $12M. A key question for the July meetings - exactly how much is needed for capacity projects and how much in additional savings can be redeployed back to the CIP renovation queue? We KNOW we have urgent issues there ... FCPS has been studying capacity issues for 2 years now so they should be able to figure out exactly what capacity projects are needed, esp if the main capacity problem areas are only in Annandale and SW Fairfax County.
* The Annandale study is of note b/c one proposal reallocates HS students from overcrowded Annandale HS to under-capacity Falls Church HS. FCHS is also the LAST HS in the CIP renovation queue that isn't even close to being on the radar. Dean T told Liz that one benefit of having WSHS move into the 2013 planning bond is that WSHS is now within the 5-year window of the current CIP and could not get "bumped" when FCPS tries to accelerate FCHS to deal with urgent immediate capacity needs. I think this is a perfect (but unfortunate) metaphor how the overall CIP queue is a FCPS-wide problem that needs to be addressed now. Rather than bumping FCPS ahead of all other HS b/c they need capacity now to relieve Annandale, how about figuring out solutions to accelerate the CIP queue!
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Those are about all the updates I have been able to gather. I think we should quickly develop and implement a full-throttle SOAR advocacy/PR campaign to influence the CIP Staff/SB decision-makers over the next month as the CIP is being addressed on all the issues above in July. This may be one of our last major chances to influence the timing of the WSHS renovation. And 2019 is totally unacceptable to me.
I have prepared the attached draft SOAR Advocacy Strategy doc. Thoughts? I would like for us to meet within a week to discuss, align, and plan next steps. Can you please let me know your availability to meet over the next week? We had the 3rd Wed evening of every month teed up a long time ago but I'm not sure if that would still work for folks - that would be Wed 6/16. Or I could also do a morning meeting at the bagel shop and can be flexible. I'd just like for us to meet as soon as possible to discuss.
Thanks, Erik
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Two different rules
()
Date: January 11, 2011 06:00PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: School Board Members
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 5/6/2010 8:44:19 PM
Subject: RE: Work Session
Attachments:
Colleagues,
I am sending this as information so that you are aware of the possibility that our Work Session may be full with residents from the Clifton area. This recent email went out to Clifton residents. I am hopeful The Ad Hoc Committee and Staff’s presentation is helpful to you all on this issues identified in the Southwestern Study which includes matters pertaining to Clifton ES.
Similar to what we do in “linkage†I am linking with you all to make you aware of a potential large audience on Monday . If you have questions please call me.
Thank you,
Liz
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:33 PM
To: 'Michelle Stein'
Subject: URGENT!! Your help needed to save Clifton Elementary!!
Save Clifton Elementary: ACTION NEEDED NOW The FCPS School Board will be meeting soon to make the final decision regarding the closure of Clifton Elementary!!
We know many of you have been sending letters and e-mails to express your views --- PLEASE KEEP IT UP! If you haven't sent a letter, please take the time to do so now!
ACTION NEEDED: (1) Write letters/E-Mails; (2) Attend Upcoming Meeting
NUMBER 1: PLEASE SEND LETTERS/E-MAILS NOW.
It is vitally important that the school board hear directly from the Clifton community! We ask you to send e-mails and/or letters to our School Board representative, Liz Bradsher, the three Members-at-large (Martina Hone, Ilryong Moon, and James L. Raney), and also Kathy Smith (the School Board
Chair) and Tessie Wilson. You can copy the remaining members of the School
Board. Contact information (i.e. e-mail addresses) for each school board
member can be found at: www.fcps.edu/schlbd/members.htm. The mailing address for all School Board Members:
Fairfax County School Board
8115 Gatehouse Rd., Suite 5400
Falls Church, VA 22042
Attn: (specific School Board member)
It is the School Board who will make the decision; however, if you wish to contact other political leaders to let them know how you feel and ask them to let their feelings be known, please write them. Some of these include:
Pat Herrity (springfield@fairfaxcounty.gov), Sharon Bulova (chairman@fairfaxcounty.gov), Michael Frey (sully@fairfaxcounty.gov), Senator George Barker (district39@senate.virginia.gov), and Tim Hugo (DelTHugo@house.virginia.gov). Please feel free to also write a letter to the editor of our local newspapers, including The Centreview, other Connection papers, etc.
If you've already sent a letter or e-mail, go ahead and send another. In addition, if you have a Clifton student (or former student) living at home, please have them send a letter, describing how important it is/was for them to go to school in their community, with all their friends and neighbors -- and what a great education that they got at Clifton. Smaller children can draw pictures.
Important points to include in your letter:
(1) We want to do the right thing for both Clifton and Fairfax County as a whole, and in these economically stressful times, renovating a school seems to be more economical than tearing it down to build a new one.
(2)Closing a school does not seem like a good strategy to solve overcrowding across Fairfax County. Keeping Clifton open ultimately means more classroom space for kids throughout the County.
(3) The Clifton Community is willing to forgo a "full scale", more expensive renovation, if it means that we can all stay together in our more rural community's school. If our school is closed, our children will likely be split among 2 - 3 different schools or represent a small portion of a very large school. We have had a school in our community for over 100 years and a school is vital to maintaining our sense of community. It is producing excellent results "as is."
(4)Members of our community have been working and communicating with FCPS staff to identify lower cost renovation alternatives that still meet FCPS standards and make the cost per student similar to other recent renovations.
(5) Clifton is like much of rural Virginia in that our households and our school depend on well water. As long as that water meets standards, we are fully comfortable in using wells to serve our children at school for the long-term.
(6)Results from the Community Engagement focus groups suggest that community members from other schools are highly supportive of renovating Clifton Elementary, rather than closing it.
(7) Our school, in its current condition, is adequate for safely and effectively educating our children.
NUMBER 2: Attend Meeting
Please attend the School Board work-session meeting on Clifton scheduled for May 10th, 3:00 p.m. (See www.fcps.edu for full agenda.) The meeting will be held at the Gatehouse Administration Building, 8115 Gatehouse Road, Falls Church, in room 1600.
At this meeting, the board will hear the report of the Community Engagement Committee, which was charged with exploring options for addressing the linked issues of possible Clifton renovation and closure, as well as overcrowding in the Southwest part of the County. Observers will not be able to participate or address the board---however, a strong presence will show our commitment to maintaining our school. Wear red -- ideally your "Save Clifton Elementary" shirts, which are still available through Dariece Rau at dariece@cox.net ($5 each)!
for more detail or background on the possible closing of Clifton Elementary, go to www.savecliftonelementary.org
Michelle Stein
Clifton Betterment Association
michellestein@cox.net www.cliftonva.org 703-539-8000office 703-830-4908home
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
TRANSLATION:
Please do not be influenced by any members of the Clifton community. Ignore their presence at the meetings and their emails.
On another matter, you will be receiving emails from some of my friends and relatives asking you to close Clifton. I had to beg, borrow and steal to get them to do it. Please read these emails only and vote accordingly.
To: School Board Members
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 5/6/2010 8:44:19 PM
Subject: RE: Work Session
Attachments:
Colleagues,
I am sending this as information so that you are aware of the possibility that our Work Session may be full with residents from the Clifton area. This recent email went out to Clifton residents. I am hopeful The Ad Hoc Committee and Staff’s presentation is helpful to you all on this issues identified in the Southwestern Study which includes matters pertaining to Clifton ES.
Similar to what we do in “linkage†I am linking with you all to make you aware of a potential large audience on Monday . If you have questions please call me.
Thank you,
Liz
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:33 PM
To: 'Michelle Stein'
Subject: URGENT!! Your help needed to save Clifton Elementary!!
Save Clifton Elementary: ACTION NEEDED NOW The FCPS School Board will be meeting soon to make the final decision regarding the closure of Clifton Elementary!!
We know many of you have been sending letters and e-mails to express your views --- PLEASE KEEP IT UP! If you haven't sent a letter, please take the time to do so now!
ACTION NEEDED: (1) Write letters/E-Mails; (2) Attend Upcoming Meeting
NUMBER 1: PLEASE SEND LETTERS/E-MAILS NOW.
It is vitally important that the school board hear directly from the Clifton community! We ask you to send e-mails and/or letters to our School Board representative, Liz Bradsher, the three Members-at-large (Martina Hone, Ilryong Moon, and James L. Raney), and also Kathy Smith (the School Board
Chair) and Tessie Wilson. You can copy the remaining members of the School
Board. Contact information (i.e. e-mail addresses) for each school board
member can be found at: www.fcps.edu/schlbd/members.htm. The mailing address for all School Board Members:
Fairfax County School Board
8115 Gatehouse Rd., Suite 5400
Falls Church, VA 22042
Attn: (specific School Board member)
It is the School Board who will make the decision; however, if you wish to contact other political leaders to let them know how you feel and ask them to let their feelings be known, please write them. Some of these include:
Pat Herrity (springfield@fairfaxcounty.gov), Sharon Bulova (chairman@fairfaxcounty.gov), Michael Frey (sully@fairfaxcounty.gov), Senator George Barker (district39@senate.virginia.gov), and Tim Hugo (DelTHugo@house.virginia.gov). Please feel free to also write a letter to the editor of our local newspapers, including The Centreview, other Connection papers, etc.
If you've already sent a letter or e-mail, go ahead and send another. In addition, if you have a Clifton student (or former student) living at home, please have them send a letter, describing how important it is/was for them to go to school in their community, with all their friends and neighbors -- and what a great education that they got at Clifton. Smaller children can draw pictures.
Important points to include in your letter:
(1) We want to do the right thing for both Clifton and Fairfax County as a whole, and in these economically stressful times, renovating a school seems to be more economical than tearing it down to build a new one.
(2)Closing a school does not seem like a good strategy to solve overcrowding across Fairfax County. Keeping Clifton open ultimately means more classroom space for kids throughout the County.
(3) The Clifton Community is willing to forgo a "full scale", more expensive renovation, if it means that we can all stay together in our more rural community's school. If our school is closed, our children will likely be split among 2 - 3 different schools or represent a small portion of a very large school. We have had a school in our community for over 100 years and a school is vital to maintaining our sense of community. It is producing excellent results "as is."
(4)Members of our community have been working and communicating with FCPS staff to identify lower cost renovation alternatives that still meet FCPS standards and make the cost per student similar to other recent renovations.
(5) Clifton is like much of rural Virginia in that our households and our school depend on well water. As long as that water meets standards, we are fully comfortable in using wells to serve our children at school for the long-term.
(6)Results from the Community Engagement focus groups suggest that community members from other schools are highly supportive of renovating Clifton Elementary, rather than closing it.
(7) Our school, in its current condition, is adequate for safely and effectively educating our children.
NUMBER 2: Attend Meeting
Please attend the School Board work-session meeting on Clifton scheduled for May 10th, 3:00 p.m. (See www.fcps.edu for full agenda.) The meeting will be held at the Gatehouse Administration Building, 8115 Gatehouse Road, Falls Church, in room 1600.
At this meeting, the board will hear the report of the Community Engagement Committee, which was charged with exploring options for addressing the linked issues of possible Clifton renovation and closure, as well as overcrowding in the Southwest part of the County. Observers will not be able to participate or address the board---however, a strong presence will show our commitment to maintaining our school. Wear red -- ideally your "Save Clifton Elementary" shirts, which are still available through Dariece Rau at dariece@cox.net ($5 each)!
for more detail or background on the possible closing of Clifton Elementary, go to www.savecliftonelementary.org
Michelle Stein
Clifton Betterment Association
michellestein@cox.net www.cliftonva.org 703-539-8000office 703-830-4908home
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
TRANSLATION:
Please do not be influenced by any members of the Clifton community. Ignore their presence at the meetings and their emails.
On another matter, you will be receiving emails from some of my friends and relatives asking you to close Clifton. I had to beg, borrow and steal to get them to do it. Please read these emails only and vote accordingly.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
reader
()
Date: January 11, 2011 06:00PM
Kathy said:
I got it and didn't even read before recycling - why in the world would he insert himself so strongly into the issue?. My take on this is that the only people who care/are upset are Clifton parents (they sound very entitled) and the rest of your constituency either doesn't give a damn or applauds the belt tightening. Also, there was a long letter to the editor in the local paper yesterday from a Rob Jones; I bet it's the husband of my former almost-behind-me neighbor, who moved to a gorgeous home several years ago. Believe me, if he's really hot and bothered, he can afford to send his kids to private school.
Comment:
So the Chairman of the School Board can't be bothered to read a newsletter from a member of the Board of Supervisors who gives the board the money for the budget?
And, a "wealthy" taxpayer doesn't deserve for his child to go to a public school in his own neighborhood?
It seems to me that there is a lot of pettiness here. If you are familiar with the South Lakes redistricting it went on then, too. Except for Great Falls, they are exempt from "pettiness."
I got it and didn't even read before recycling - why in the world would he insert himself so strongly into the issue?. My take on this is that the only people who care/are upset are Clifton parents (they sound very entitled) and the rest of your constituency either doesn't give a damn or applauds the belt tightening. Also, there was a long letter to the editor in the local paper yesterday from a Rob Jones; I bet it's the husband of my former almost-behind-me neighbor, who moved to a gorgeous home several years ago. Believe me, if he's really hot and bothered, he can afford to send his kids to private school.
Comment:
So the Chairman of the School Board can't be bothered to read a newsletter from a member of the Board of Supervisors who gives the board the money for the budget?
And, a "wealthy" taxpayer doesn't deserve for his child to go to a public school in his own neighborhood?
It seems to me that there is a lot of pettiness here. If you are familiar with the South Lakes redistricting it went on then, too. Except for Great Falls, they are exempt from "pettiness."
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
accurate
()
Date: January 11, 2011 06:44PM
reader Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Kathy said:
>
> I got it and didn't even read before recycling -
> why in the world would he insert himself so
> strongly into the issue?. My take on this is that
> the only people who care/are upset are Clifton
> parents (they sound very entitled) and the rest of
> your constituency either doesn't give a damn or
> applauds the belt tightening. Also, there was a
> long letter to the editor in the local paper
> yesterday from a Rob Jones; I bet it's the husband
> of my former almost-behind-me neighbor, who moved
> to a gorgeous home several years ago. Believe me,
> if he's really hot and bothered, he can afford to
> send his kids to private school.
>
> Comment:
> So the Chairman of the School Board can't be
> bothered to read a newsletter from a member of the
> Board of Supervisors who gives the board the money
> for the budget?
>
> And, a "wealthy" taxpayer doesn't deserve for his
> child to go to a public school in his own
> neighborhood?
>
> It seems to me that there is a lot of pettiness
> here. If you are familiar with the South Lakes
> redistricting it went on then, too. Except for
> Great Falls, they are exempt from "pettiness."
In complete agreement. It seems like Clifton is being targeted, because their numbers are smaller than Great Falls people who would have been redistricted to South Lakes.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Kathy said:
>
> I got it and didn't even read before recycling -
> why in the world would he insert himself so
> strongly into the issue?. My take on this is that
> the only people who care/are upset are Clifton
> parents (they sound very entitled) and the rest of
> your constituency either doesn't give a damn or
> applauds the belt tightening. Also, there was a
> long letter to the editor in the local paper
> yesterday from a Rob Jones; I bet it's the husband
> of my former almost-behind-me neighbor, who moved
> to a gorgeous home several years ago. Believe me,
> if he's really hot and bothered, he can afford to
> send his kids to private school.
>
> Comment:
> So the Chairman of the School Board can't be
> bothered to read a newsletter from a member of the
> Board of Supervisors who gives the board the money
> for the budget?
>
> And, a "wealthy" taxpayer doesn't deserve for his
> child to go to a public school in his own
> neighborhood?
>
> It seems to me that there is a lot of pettiness
> here. If you are familiar with the South Lakes
> redistricting it went on then, too. Except for
> Great Falls, they are exempt from "pettiness."
In complete agreement. It seems like Clifton is being targeted, because their numbers are smaller than Great Falls people who would have been redistricted to South Lakes.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
wow, Liz Bradsher is one stupid bitch
()
Date: January 11, 2011 06:47PM
If you have time you should read these e-mails. Liz Bradsher is a liar and a drunk! The rest of the SB does not look any better.
Where are our tax dollars going? If you live in in Fairfax these e-mails should concern you.
Where are our tax dollars going? If you live in in Fairfax these e-mails should concern you.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Holy crap Bateman
()
Date: January 11, 2011 06:59PM
Clifton elementary is going to stay open. HA HA HA haters.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Animorpher
()
Date: January 11, 2011 07:29PM
So, when is Ms. Bradsher just going to come out and apologize and just tell us she shouldn't have done everything and behaved the way she did?
If anyone gets caught making a mistake or doing something wrong, their parents make them apologize.
We all learned that - how come she doesn't have to?
Attachments:
If anyone gets caught making a mistake or doing something wrong, their parents make them apologize.
We all learned that - how come she doesn't have to?
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
1 email, 13 lies
()
Date: January 12, 2011 01:49AM
can't wait to find out what the fire chief say.
does this mean the school board has intentionally taken on unnecessary risk for all schools in the system that don't have sprinklers? (oh, yes, clifton isn't the only one).
what a pathological liar.
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does this mean the school board has intentionally taken on unnecessary risk for all schools in the system that don't have sprinklers? (oh, yes, clifton isn't the only one).
what a pathological liar.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LIES BY LIZ
()
Date: January 12, 2011 05:07AM
Nothing new here with Liz the BITCH. She will say and do anything that will screw kids and parents.
Lies are just part of her daily game.
Lies are just part of her daily game.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Need a rational decision here
()
Date: January 12, 2011 08:20AM
Did Liz ever take a course in logic?
Just the other day I was teaching my students about illogical statments that include faulty cause, faulty analogy, begging the question, hasty generalization, etc. Liz popped right into my head (imagine that). The curriculum had examples, but Liz provides plenty right here. By the way, I was teaching 9th graders. !! And they understood the material quite well (I'm hopeful).
The irony of this situation is that Liz accuses the Cliftonites of being emotional and all I can see here is a group that is using rational, logical argument (for the most part) to state their position. Meanwhile, her position was fraught with illogical (and downright lies actually) statements.
I do hope a judge can do the job needed here----because the SB clearly cannot due to its "political" nature. Are we doomed to live out these bad decisions?
Just the other day I was teaching my students about illogical statments that include faulty cause, faulty analogy, begging the question, hasty generalization, etc. Liz popped right into my head (imagine that). The curriculum had examples, but Liz provides plenty right here. By the way, I was teaching 9th graders. !! And they understood the material quite well (I'm hopeful).
The irony of this situation is that Liz accuses the Cliftonites of being emotional and all I can see here is a group that is using rational, logical argument (for the most part) to state their position. Meanwhile, her position was fraught with illogical (and downright lies actually) statements.
I do hope a judge can do the job needed here----because the SB clearly cannot due to its "political" nature. Are we doomed to live out these bad decisions?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Reality Checker
()
Date: January 12, 2011 11:02AM
Need a rational decision here Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I do hope a judge can do the job needed
> here----because the SB clearly cannot due to its
> "political" nature. Are we doomed to live out
> these bad decisions?
You cannot rely on the state courts to invalidate the SB's actions; they do not want to get involved in the details of local politics.
So, yes, you are doomed to live out past decisions unless you organize and find new SB candidates with brains and an open mind to replace the likes of Liz Bradsher and Kathy Smith. There need to be slates of suitable people who are endorsed and then actively supported by local advocacy groups. It won't be easy or cheap, but it's likely the only way to effect change within the current system.
Imagine how much better things would be if you had a clear majority of SB members who thought like Tina Hone, Sandy Evans or Patty Reed, rather than Liz, Kathy or Stu Gibson.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I do hope a judge can do the job needed
> here----because the SB clearly cannot due to its
> "political" nature. Are we doomed to live out
> these bad decisions?
You cannot rely on the state courts to invalidate the SB's actions; they do not want to get involved in the details of local politics.
So, yes, you are doomed to live out past decisions unless you organize and find new SB candidates with brains and an open mind to replace the likes of Liz Bradsher and Kathy Smith. There need to be slates of suitable people who are endorsed and then actively supported by local advocacy groups. It won't be easy or cheap, but it's likely the only way to effect change within the current system.
Imagine how much better things would be if you had a clear majority of SB members who thought like Tina Hone, Sandy Evans or Patty Reed, rather than Liz, Kathy or Stu Gibson.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
West Springfield is special
()
Date: January 12, 2011 12:25PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Sneed, Kevin
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 5/18/2010 8:42:15 AM
Subject: RE: CIP and project status
Attachments:
Hi Kevin,
Hope all is well in the land of renovations, constructions and timelines….
I have received an email from Erik Hawkins (West Springfield HS) asking for some specific information. I thought it best to send you these questions because you are much more knowledgeable than I about specifics! I will try to summarize what he sent, the questions are as follows:
Where is WSHS currently slotted for bond funding?
What if anything is staff proposing to do with the CIP, permitting, and possible acceleration of projects due to current favorable economic impacts?
There are other questions that Erik asked but I will respond “again.†It is my understanding we are going to be discussing the queue sometime soon as indicated be Dean in one of our Jan SB sessions. I also know that we have a reserve of funding due to savings and would imagine that this too will be discussed. I also know that what we do with Clifton could impact the CIP with respect to available funding as well.
As you might imagine I have mentioned all this to Erik but not sure he understands. I will try again. If you can assist with the two above questions that would be great and I will respond to the rest of his email.
Many thanks,
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
***********************************************************
TRANSLATION:
Kevin-
As you know I am in the process of screwing Clifton by closing their school even though I am telling them that I haven't made up my mind yet.
I know there are dodens of other schools waiting patiently for funding, but I need the people at West Springfield taken care of first.
Please transfer all available CIP savings to WSHS-but don't tell anyone.
Toodles-
Liz
To: Sneed, Kevin
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 5/18/2010 8:42:15 AM
Subject: RE: CIP and project status
Attachments:
Hi Kevin,
Hope all is well in the land of renovations, constructions and timelines….
I have received an email from Erik Hawkins (West Springfield HS) asking for some specific information. I thought it best to send you these questions because you are much more knowledgeable than I about specifics! I will try to summarize what he sent, the questions are as follows:
Where is WSHS currently slotted for bond funding?
What if anything is staff proposing to do with the CIP, permitting, and possible acceleration of projects due to current favorable economic impacts?
There are other questions that Erik asked but I will respond “again.†It is my understanding we are going to be discussing the queue sometime soon as indicated be Dean in one of our Jan SB sessions. I also know that we have a reserve of funding due to savings and would imagine that this too will be discussed. I also know that what we do with Clifton could impact the CIP with respect to available funding as well.
As you might imagine I have mentioned all this to Erik but not sure he understands. I will try again. If you can assist with the two above questions that would be great and I will respond to the rest of his email.
Many thanks,
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
***********************************************************
TRANSLATION:
Kevin-
As you know I am in the process of screwing Clifton by closing their school even though I am telling them that I haven't made up my mind yet.
I know there are dodens of other schools waiting patiently for funding, but I need the people at West Springfield taken care of first.
Please transfer all available CIP savings to WSHS-but don't tell anyone.
Toodles-
Liz
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
What happened to Plan B?
()
Date: January 12, 2011 12:41PM
From: Raney, Jim (School Board Member) [jlraney@fcps.edu]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/30/2010 8:05:40 PM
Subject: RE: Additional Question Re: Closing Clifton ES
10-4 good buddy!
Very respectfully,
James L. "Jim" Raney, Ph.D.
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:03 PM
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Additional Question Re: Closing Clifton ES
Jim,
I do have a plan be and it is an amendment as you are describing. I spoke with the incoming Mayor and George Barker today on this to alert them. I am meeting with Dean and staff on this on Friday Sooooo hold up on that amendment good doctor! In fact my amendment has 5 years in it, review of enrollment data during those years and the money that would be used for this renovation now goes back into the queue. However, no money for Clifton now. What do you think?
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:00 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Cc: Dale, Jack; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE: Additional Question Re: Closing Clifton ES
Thanks for sharing your insights, Liz. I understand your concerns, but feel uncomfortable taking Clifton ES classrooms out of service when FCPS enrollments countywide continue increasing and the national, state, and local economies (and therefore tax revenues) remain uncertain. I am contemplating the possibility of offering an amendment, in the form of a substitute amendment, that would keep CES open but defer its renovation for at least 5 years. That would allow enough time to determine whether staff projections of CES enrollments are accurate. It would also allow enough time to assess alternatives, after the boundary study that we desperately need is completed this fall. I am interested in evaluating the whole picture, before deciding on one pixel of it.
Very respectfully,
James L. "Jim" Raney, Ph.D.
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:37 AM
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
Cc: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Dale, Jack; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: Re: Additional Question Re: Closing Clifton ES
There are about 11 or 12 schools moved up on the queue for the 2011 bond and others will feel the bump. One of them being West Springfield HS which could be placed on the 2011 bond instead of 2013. This would help this school tremendously since projections indicate they are looking at being 350 over capacity in 3-4 (some of this BRAC induced) years and are over today by 130+ students with classes in the hallway!
One of my core issues is: How can we spend the $ for such a renovation for so few students when we have needier situations? It is not prudent and I don't see any state senators, delegates and supervisors helping these schools that await funding and have such needs. I don't see them helping out the other communities that will have the pain and burden of changing boundaries.
Basically Jim, Clifton protests too much, as Shakespeare would say. I live adjacent to Clifton, I see what is taking place, I see the twisting of the issue.
What you didn't hear this week is most parents drive their children to school at Clifton because they don't like the busride and they have problems with the parking lot, what was not said was a good portion of the population lives closer to Willow Springs, Fairview, Oak View, Sangster and even Silverbrook. What you don't know is they had an opportunity to attend Centreville HS when it first opened but vehemently fought that to stay in Robinson which is much farther for many residents. Lake Braddock and South County are closer. The demographics of these schools differ and it was not what the community wanted. What many don't know is these students at Clifton join leagues in Centreville, Chantilly, and a large portion go to Burke and Braddock Road Youth, I know this because, yes, I am a soccer mom or was! What is not known is the Fairview, Sangster and Lake Braddock buses pass many of the bus stops for these Clifton students, closer to 123. What some members don't get is many communities like mine are assigned to different elementary schools and despite this WE LIVE and our kids actually do OK!
We have spent months on this issue and I know what this county was and have seen it change through my XX years! All our communities have felt these changes. Clifton lobbied for less density for years, they did not want sewer. Well, their efforts worked and now building in that area is minimal. Five acre lots, no sidewalks, no real business or commerce. This decison has resulted in no growth, a decline if you will. This has impacted the school. The school is no more historic than Virginia Hills, Graham Rd and others that have been closed. I would argue the Burke School and Mountain View might be considered historic and are now alternative schools.
Now there are schools surrounding the Clifton area and Clifton ES similar to Burke and Mountain View. These schools can serve the Clifton residents. Should we continue to operate a school when we know there are other worthwhile alternatives? Should we allocate such expense for so few students?
Again, this is my area and home if you will. I am ready to make the difficult decision and realize in doing so my days as an elected representative will be over. However, I will be able to sleep at night. I believe there is a bigger picture here and for me this decision is about the bigger picture.
Liz
________________________________
From: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
To: School Board Members
Cc: Tistadt, Dean; Dale, Jack
Sent: Wed Jun 30 07:23:13 2010
Subject: Additional Question Re: Closing Clifton ES
Kathy,
Would you please add the following question to the list:
If Clifton ES is closed or its renovation is deferred, which school(s) would be moved up in the CIP queue?
Very respectfully,
James L. "Jim" Raney, Ph.D.
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/30/2010 8:05:40 PM
Subject: RE: Additional Question Re: Closing Clifton ES
10-4 good buddy!
Very respectfully,
James L. "Jim" Raney, Ph.D.
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:03 PM
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Additional Question Re: Closing Clifton ES
Jim,
I do have a plan be and it is an amendment as you are describing. I spoke with the incoming Mayor and George Barker today on this to alert them. I am meeting with Dean and staff on this on Friday Sooooo hold up on that amendment good doctor! In fact my amendment has 5 years in it, review of enrollment data during those years and the money that would be used for this renovation now goes back into the queue. However, no money for Clifton now. What do you think?
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:00 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Cc: Dale, Jack; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE: Additional Question Re: Closing Clifton ES
Thanks for sharing your insights, Liz. I understand your concerns, but feel uncomfortable taking Clifton ES classrooms out of service when FCPS enrollments countywide continue increasing and the national, state, and local economies (and therefore tax revenues) remain uncertain. I am contemplating the possibility of offering an amendment, in the form of a substitute amendment, that would keep CES open but defer its renovation for at least 5 years. That would allow enough time to determine whether staff projections of CES enrollments are accurate. It would also allow enough time to assess alternatives, after the boundary study that we desperately need is completed this fall. I am interested in evaluating the whole picture, before deciding on one pixel of it.
Very respectfully,
James L. "Jim" Raney, Ph.D.
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:37 AM
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
Cc: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Dale, Jack; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: Re: Additional Question Re: Closing Clifton ES
There are about 11 or 12 schools moved up on the queue for the 2011 bond and others will feel the bump. One of them being West Springfield HS which could be placed on the 2011 bond instead of 2013. This would help this school tremendously since projections indicate they are looking at being 350 over capacity in 3-4 (some of this BRAC induced) years and are over today by 130+ students with classes in the hallway!
One of my core issues is: How can we spend the $ for such a renovation for so few students when we have needier situations? It is not prudent and I don't see any state senators, delegates and supervisors helping these schools that await funding and have such needs. I don't see them helping out the other communities that will have the pain and burden of changing boundaries.
Basically Jim, Clifton protests too much, as Shakespeare would say. I live adjacent to Clifton, I see what is taking place, I see the twisting of the issue.
What you didn't hear this week is most parents drive their children to school at Clifton because they don't like the busride and they have problems with the parking lot, what was not said was a good portion of the population lives closer to Willow Springs, Fairview, Oak View, Sangster and even Silverbrook. What you don't know is they had an opportunity to attend Centreville HS when it first opened but vehemently fought that to stay in Robinson which is much farther for many residents. Lake Braddock and South County are closer. The demographics of these schools differ and it was not what the community wanted. What many don't know is these students at Clifton join leagues in Centreville, Chantilly, and a large portion go to Burke and Braddock Road Youth, I know this because, yes, I am a soccer mom or was! What is not known is the Fairview, Sangster and Lake Braddock buses pass many of the bus stops for these Clifton students, closer to 123. What some members don't get is many communities like mine are assigned to different elementary schools and despite this WE LIVE and our kids actually do OK!
We have spent months on this issue and I know what this county was and have seen it change through my XX years! All our communities have felt these changes. Clifton lobbied for less density for years, they did not want sewer. Well, their efforts worked and now building in that area is minimal. Five acre lots, no sidewalks, no real business or commerce. This decison has resulted in no growth, a decline if you will. This has impacted the school. The school is no more historic than Virginia Hills, Graham Rd and others that have been closed. I would argue the Burke School and Mountain View might be considered historic and are now alternative schools.
Now there are schools surrounding the Clifton area and Clifton ES similar to Burke and Mountain View. These schools can serve the Clifton residents. Should we continue to operate a school when we know there are other worthwhile alternatives? Should we allocate such expense for so few students?
Again, this is my area and home if you will. I am ready to make the difficult decision and realize in doing so my days as an elected representative will be over. However, I will be able to sleep at night. I believe there is a bigger picture here and for me this decision is about the bigger picture.
Liz
________________________________
From: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
To: School Board Members
Cc: Tistadt, Dean; Dale, Jack
Sent: Wed Jun 30 07:23:13 2010
Subject: Additional Question Re: Closing Clifton ES
Kathy,
Would you please add the following question to the list:
If Clifton ES is closed or its renovation is deferred, which school(s) would be moved up in the CIP queue?
Very respectfully,
James L. "Jim" Raney, Ph.D.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Denise defines who has the power
()
Date: January 12, 2011 12:53PM
From: James, Denise [DJames@fcps.edu]
To: Emily Slough
CC: Rawat, Ajay; Hada, Jayjeev; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean; Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Aftergut, Jeff; Jennifer.McGarey@rcn.net
BCC:
Sent: 4/7/2010 1:22:47 PM
Subject: RE: Annandale Study - two quick notes; and one thought about FPAC
Attachments:
Hi Emily – Your comments are spot on and thank you so much for taking the time to review - we will take a look at that discrepancy issue – I think (and I will ask Ajay to confirm) that at the time we prepare our CIP, we get preliminary information based on how many students are eligible for FRL services or the number of applications – the actual number which are approved and/or take advantage of the program may different and that is what gets put in the profiles – I am not sure why the ESOL profile number and the CIP numbers differ –but again, I am thinking that it is a timing thing – data that is available when we have to prepare our CIP and the timing of school profiles updates – So we need to address that. I actually brought up that capacity issue for Annandale with Kevin Sneed just this morning to confirm – although, with a modular addition being added to the school this summer, the capacity will changes since modulars are included in capacity and trailers are not … and we will need to note that …
As to your FPAC comments – I think we are headed in the right direction and it will require a leap of faith, as you and others have pointed out,
********************************************************************************
to start something so totally new – and it remains to be seen over time how this group functions –as Kathy Smith generally stated, it is the Board which retains the greater overall knowledge and responsibility to implement their policies and do what is best overall for students – but FPAC will have provided much greater opportunity for public input both from the community and from a volunteer citizen board – at present, all that ‘power’, so to speak, really resides with staff since we prepare the CIP and make recommendations on boundary and program changes largely without benefit of any formalized public input or more widespread knowledge – and the CIP goes forward late each fall essentially published in final awaiting board approval and/or amendment with a limited window at public hearings for community review and comment.
********************************************************************************
I remain optimistic that FPAC will go forward and we will be making some edits to address the comments we heard at the Board Monday.
As to Wakefield – the school itself is shown in the maps and is on the large 1.5 mile radius table – but I think the other tables focused on schools that had 10 or more students residing within a 1-1.5 mile radius of Lacey - schools that would likely be in the scope of study for a new school boundary based on the adjacent schools and/or most overcrowded - for the same reasons you also don’t see Pine Spring, Timber Lane, Graham Road, Fairhill or Mantua listed on all the tables but, they are shown on the maps – but you make an excellent point – and this is another one of those opportunities to look at different feeder alignments along with addressing attendance islands – issues of a more ‘secondary nature, but opportunities which we cannot ignore. The report has stopped short of saying which schools should or should not be included in scope of regional study – clearly there are some that must be included – with others, it may be a question of how far do you want to go with this study – e.g. Oakton is shown on the high school table but it may not have a lot to contribute in terms of any capacity solutions for Annandale – this requires some additional thought, hence, a work in progress…
As always , thank you for your positive and constructive comments
Denise
From: Emily Slough [mailto:emilygps@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:15 PM
To: James, Denise
Cc: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Jennifer.McGarey@rcn.net; 'Aftergut, Jeff'; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: Annandale Study - two quick notes; and one thought about FPAC
Hi Denise et al –
ANNANDALE STUDY
I have only skimmed over the draft of the Annandale study, but one thing popped out immediately, and then there is another issue I forgot to raise before:
(1) Wakefield Forest ES is missing from various charts and diagrams. It should be included in this study – it’s closer to AHS than Canterbury Woods, and it is a split feeder, and it is a K-6 school that partially feeds into a 6-7-8 middle school (Poe). Now that Ravensworth ES will be “paired†with LBSS, WFES is the only elementary school that feeds into Poe at the 7th grade level (if parents do not opt to send their kids to Poe in 6th grade). There may be other elementary schools missing – we should double check this.
(2) When assembling all the data and bringing this information forward to the board, but more importantly, to the community, the numbers are going to be REALLY important, and any “bobbles†should be avoided if at all possible (remembering how Beech Tree got left out of the Excel calculations last Spring). Making sure that the capacity # for AHS is always the same number (not 2134 in some docs, and 2200 in others), making sure all schools are included in charts and calculations, and making sure the ESOL and FRL numbers used are accurate and consistent.
To this latter point, I have to be really clear what I mean and why: the ESOL and FRL numbers that were presented in February 2009 by Facilities staff to the AHS PTSA, which purported to reflect the most current (08-09) ESOL and FRL numbers at that time for all of the high schools and middle schools that were listed, are very different from what shows up on the school profile information on the FCPS website now (the document I am referring to I only have in hard copy - it is titled Annandale PTA Briefing – Potential Boundary Study, 17-Feb-09). For instance – in this February ‘09 document, AHS was shown to have 20.5% ESOL and 48.6% FRL. But if you go to AHS’s current profile, Demographics Tab, which also shows the 08-09 figures, it lists AHS as having 14.71% ESOL and 43.43% FRL. Why the discrepancy? And what is the true number? This is a 6% difference…about 160 kids… presumably using the same data for that single school year. Similarly, for FCHS, the Feb. 09 document shows ESOL at 22.3% and FRL at 49.5%, whereas the posted school profile (again, same school year, presumably same data) shows 14.52% ESOL and 45.67% FRL. Why are these figures different?
Bottom line: when we are talking about the need to take a large number of students out of a school that is so socio-economically and demographically diverse, with a parent population that is hyper-sensitive about trying to maintain balance, these numbers become absolutely essential and they must perceived as reliable and accurate or Facilities staff, which I know to be incredibly hard-working and dedicated, loses their credibility and the study becomes another hotbed.
Please don’t shoot the messenger… we just have all been down this road before and I am, like Jeff, trying to support a process that I think will be a vast improvement while also trying to keep us from stepping on any known land mines.
FPAC
As to the FPAC and how things went the other day – I was not totally discouraged at all and was sorry to see that Liz & Tessie felt discouraged, but I did leave the session before various SB members indicated what their vote would be. I knew Mr. Moon was on the fence, but I didn’t get that from a lot of others. So now I am actually quite surprised that there would be enough fear to derail the vote (so I think the CPDC will do well to clarify the relationships between the SB and FPAC to see if those concerns can be addressed). I thought Stu Gibson’s comments were positive, about how he likes the idea of having these “experts†available to advise the SB. This FPAC could be a great thing if managed properly and if we can find the right people to be on it.
However…
I am also one who thinks we have learned a lot just in the last year about how to do things better in general (when it comes to Boundary Studies) and I also think that the creation of the Ad Hoc process is actually almost as important as the creation of the FPAC. And, perhaps most pertinently, we have to remember that the Ad Hoc process – which was a leap of faith to some extent – is now already in place. The Clifton Study is going better than anticipated (in most ways…I think the impact to staff resources is considerable and must be discussed) and we will get some good feedback from Andrew Flagler in May…and the Annandale study will also proceed to Ad Hoc formation without the FPAC in place. SO…now that I think it through, that may be something underlying the SB’s thinking right now – the question of “do we really need the FPAC at all, given our concerns about the power dynamic, and also given that the cart (Ad Hoc) already went before the horse (FPAC) in two boundary studies?†As I said above, I think the FPAC – if done well – could be an excellent asset and advisory group to the SB, especially if they operate from a position of complete neutrality. But on the flip side – (and I have sometimes worried about this) the FPAC could be perceived as the SB creating another layer of bureaucracy (a “B-List School Boardâ€), or another layer of “insulation,†between the SB and the public…further increasing the impression that the public’s comments and concerns will not be heard and – as a result – have little impact on the school board’s final decisions. Something to consider…
Thanks,
Emily
To: Emily Slough
CC: Rawat, Ajay; Hada, Jayjeev; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean; Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Aftergut, Jeff; Jennifer.McGarey@rcn.net
BCC:
Sent: 4/7/2010 1:22:47 PM
Subject: RE: Annandale Study - two quick notes; and one thought about FPAC
Attachments:
Hi Emily – Your comments are spot on and thank you so much for taking the time to review - we will take a look at that discrepancy issue – I think (and I will ask Ajay to confirm) that at the time we prepare our CIP, we get preliminary information based on how many students are eligible for FRL services or the number of applications – the actual number which are approved and/or take advantage of the program may different and that is what gets put in the profiles – I am not sure why the ESOL profile number and the CIP numbers differ –but again, I am thinking that it is a timing thing – data that is available when we have to prepare our CIP and the timing of school profiles updates – So we need to address that. I actually brought up that capacity issue for Annandale with Kevin Sneed just this morning to confirm – although, with a modular addition being added to the school this summer, the capacity will changes since modulars are included in capacity and trailers are not … and we will need to note that …
As to your FPAC comments – I think we are headed in the right direction and it will require a leap of faith, as you and others have pointed out,
********************************************************************************
to start something so totally new – and it remains to be seen over time how this group functions –as Kathy Smith generally stated, it is the Board which retains the greater overall knowledge and responsibility to implement their policies and do what is best overall for students – but FPAC will have provided much greater opportunity for public input both from the community and from a volunteer citizen board – at present, all that ‘power’, so to speak, really resides with staff since we prepare the CIP and make recommendations on boundary and program changes largely without benefit of any formalized public input or more widespread knowledge – and the CIP goes forward late each fall essentially published in final awaiting board approval and/or amendment with a limited window at public hearings for community review and comment.
********************************************************************************
I remain optimistic that FPAC will go forward and we will be making some edits to address the comments we heard at the Board Monday.
As to Wakefield – the school itself is shown in the maps and is on the large 1.5 mile radius table – but I think the other tables focused on schools that had 10 or more students residing within a 1-1.5 mile radius of Lacey - schools that would likely be in the scope of study for a new school boundary based on the adjacent schools and/or most overcrowded - for the same reasons you also don’t see Pine Spring, Timber Lane, Graham Road, Fairhill or Mantua listed on all the tables but, they are shown on the maps – but you make an excellent point – and this is another one of those opportunities to look at different feeder alignments along with addressing attendance islands – issues of a more ‘secondary nature, but opportunities which we cannot ignore. The report has stopped short of saying which schools should or should not be included in scope of regional study – clearly there are some that must be included – with others, it may be a question of how far do you want to go with this study – e.g. Oakton is shown on the high school table but it may not have a lot to contribute in terms of any capacity solutions for Annandale – this requires some additional thought, hence, a work in progress…
As always , thank you for your positive and constructive comments
Denise
From: Emily Slough [mailto:emilygps@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:15 PM
To: James, Denise
Cc: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Jennifer.McGarey@rcn.net; 'Aftergut, Jeff'; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: Annandale Study - two quick notes; and one thought about FPAC
Hi Denise et al –
ANNANDALE STUDY
I have only skimmed over the draft of the Annandale study, but one thing popped out immediately, and then there is another issue I forgot to raise before:
(1) Wakefield Forest ES is missing from various charts and diagrams. It should be included in this study – it’s closer to AHS than Canterbury Woods, and it is a split feeder, and it is a K-6 school that partially feeds into a 6-7-8 middle school (Poe). Now that Ravensworth ES will be “paired†with LBSS, WFES is the only elementary school that feeds into Poe at the 7th grade level (if parents do not opt to send their kids to Poe in 6th grade). There may be other elementary schools missing – we should double check this.
(2) When assembling all the data and bringing this information forward to the board, but more importantly, to the community, the numbers are going to be REALLY important, and any “bobbles†should be avoided if at all possible (remembering how Beech Tree got left out of the Excel calculations last Spring). Making sure that the capacity # for AHS is always the same number (not 2134 in some docs, and 2200 in others), making sure all schools are included in charts and calculations, and making sure the ESOL and FRL numbers used are accurate and consistent.
To this latter point, I have to be really clear what I mean and why: the ESOL and FRL numbers that were presented in February 2009 by Facilities staff to the AHS PTSA, which purported to reflect the most current (08-09) ESOL and FRL numbers at that time for all of the high schools and middle schools that were listed, are very different from what shows up on the school profile information on the FCPS website now (the document I am referring to I only have in hard copy - it is titled Annandale PTA Briefing – Potential Boundary Study, 17-Feb-09). For instance – in this February ‘09 document, AHS was shown to have 20.5% ESOL and 48.6% FRL. But if you go to AHS’s current profile, Demographics Tab, which also shows the 08-09 figures, it lists AHS as having 14.71% ESOL and 43.43% FRL. Why the discrepancy? And what is the true number? This is a 6% difference…about 160 kids… presumably using the same data for that single school year. Similarly, for FCHS, the Feb. 09 document shows ESOL at 22.3% and FRL at 49.5%, whereas the posted school profile (again, same school year, presumably same data) shows 14.52% ESOL and 45.67% FRL. Why are these figures different?
Bottom line: when we are talking about the need to take a large number of students out of a school that is so socio-economically and demographically diverse, with a parent population that is hyper-sensitive about trying to maintain balance, these numbers become absolutely essential and they must perceived as reliable and accurate or Facilities staff, which I know to be incredibly hard-working and dedicated, loses their credibility and the study becomes another hotbed.
Please don’t shoot the messenger… we just have all been down this road before and I am, like Jeff, trying to support a process that I think will be a vast improvement while also trying to keep us from stepping on any known land mines.
FPAC
As to the FPAC and how things went the other day – I was not totally discouraged at all and was sorry to see that Liz & Tessie felt discouraged, but I did leave the session before various SB members indicated what their vote would be. I knew Mr. Moon was on the fence, but I didn’t get that from a lot of others. So now I am actually quite surprised that there would be enough fear to derail the vote (so I think the CPDC will do well to clarify the relationships between the SB and FPAC to see if those concerns can be addressed). I thought Stu Gibson’s comments were positive, about how he likes the idea of having these “experts†available to advise the SB. This FPAC could be a great thing if managed properly and if we can find the right people to be on it.
However…
I am also one who thinks we have learned a lot just in the last year about how to do things better in general (when it comes to Boundary Studies) and I also think that the creation of the Ad Hoc process is actually almost as important as the creation of the FPAC. And, perhaps most pertinently, we have to remember that the Ad Hoc process – which was a leap of faith to some extent – is now already in place. The Clifton Study is going better than anticipated (in most ways…I think the impact to staff resources is considerable and must be discussed) and we will get some good feedback from Andrew Flagler in May…and the Annandale study will also proceed to Ad Hoc formation without the FPAC in place. SO…now that I think it through, that may be something underlying the SB’s thinking right now – the question of “do we really need the FPAC at all, given our concerns about the power dynamic, and also given that the cart (Ad Hoc) already went before the horse (FPAC) in two boundary studies?†As I said above, I think the FPAC – if done well – could be an excellent asset and advisory group to the SB, especially if they operate from a position of complete neutrality. But on the flip side – (and I have sometimes worried about this) the FPAC could be perceived as the SB creating another layer of bureaucracy (a “B-List School Boardâ€), or another layer of “insulation,†between the SB and the public…further increasing the impression that the public’s comments and concerns will not be heard and – as a result – have little impact on the school board’s final decisions. Something to consider…
Thanks,
Emily
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I'm rooting for Herrity!
()
Date: January 12, 2011 01:01PM
From: Tistadt, Dean [datistadt@fcps.edu]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/15/2010 2:38:00 PM
Subject: RE:
He and I got into it in the parking lot after everyone left yesterday.
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 2:35 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE:
I think a meeting after the Hearing might be good—although everyone will have heard the same reasons spoken well over 50 times to keep Clifton.
I will call you – Herrity spoke to Patty and I know he is leaning on her. I have a call into her.
He will not even talk with me on it. Basically he will not talk to me at all—haven’t spoken in months.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
_____________________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 2:00 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE:
Another board meeting? Jack is thinking of the possibility of a work session the evening of June 29 if we don’t need it for a second night of public hearings.
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:26 AM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE:
I don’t believe that would be a good idea. There needs to be a foundation to the Study set by the Board and that would be the Clifton decision.
I think such an idea conflicts with statements made by Board members regarding staff time and available staff resources, etc. Also, don’t think I haven’t forgotten Ms. Hone was a vocal proponent of a county wide boundary study. She quit CPDC because we did not go in that direction. This is not county-wide, it is regional and we just spent 9 months studying the issue with the public. A stall factor does not sit will to me. We need to move forward for the sake of communities involved and for those on the Committee.
Liz
PS Approximately 5-7 votes to close Clifton. The tour yesterday was a good thing. I have no doubt several questions will arise. I am wondering if we need another meeting for this issue to discuss—thoughts?
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
_____________________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:12 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE:
I still can’t read how the board is going to vote on this matter to include whether we can get the board to make the Clifton decision before conducting a boundary study. Can you imagine a boundary study that included consideration of whether to close or renovate Clifton? Yikes.
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:46 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject:
Dean,
You did a great job.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/15/2010 2:38:00 PM
Subject: RE:
He and I got into it in the parking lot after everyone left yesterday.
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 2:35 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE:
I think a meeting after the Hearing might be good—although everyone will have heard the same reasons spoken well over 50 times to keep Clifton.
I will call you – Herrity spoke to Patty and I know he is leaning on her. I have a call into her.
He will not even talk with me on it. Basically he will not talk to me at all—haven’t spoken in months.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
_____________________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 2:00 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE:
Another board meeting? Jack is thinking of the possibility of a work session the evening of June 29 if we don’t need it for a second night of public hearings.
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:26 AM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE:
I don’t believe that would be a good idea. There needs to be a foundation to the Study set by the Board and that would be the Clifton decision.
I think such an idea conflicts with statements made by Board members regarding staff time and available staff resources, etc. Also, don’t think I haven’t forgotten Ms. Hone was a vocal proponent of a county wide boundary study. She quit CPDC because we did not go in that direction. This is not county-wide, it is regional and we just spent 9 months studying the issue with the public. A stall factor does not sit will to me. We need to move forward for the sake of communities involved and for those on the Committee.
Liz
PS Approximately 5-7 votes to close Clifton. The tour yesterday was a good thing. I have no doubt several questions will arise. I am wondering if we need another meeting for this issue to discuss—thoughts?
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
_____________________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:12 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE:
I still can’t read how the board is going to vote on this matter to include whether we can get the board to make the Clifton decision before conducting a boundary study. Can you imagine a boundary study that included consideration of whether to close or renovate Clifton? Yikes.
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:46 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject:
Dean,
You did a great job.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I tried!
()
Date: January 12, 2011 01:27PM
OH MY GOSH! Do you UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS SAYS?
This email shows Liz lying to a fellow Board member, confirming lying to the Mayor of Clifton AND confirming lying to a State Senator!
"Lied to LRR too" above has an email where Liz states - on June 16th! - that she has 7 votes gathered already - on June 30th she is lying to EVERYONE that she is toing to offer an amendment to give time to reassess all the 'data' from FCPS alleging declining population (not true), water issues (not true) and high cost of renovation (not true).
But it was all LIES.
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:03 PM
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Additional Question Re: Closing Clifton ES
Jim,
I do have a plan be and it is an amendment as you are describing. I spoke with the incoming Mayor and George Barker today on this to alert them. I am meeting with Dean and staff on this on Friday Sooooo hold up on that amendment good doctor! In fact my amendment has 5 years in it, review of enrollment data during those years and the money that would be used for this renovation now goes back into the queue. However, no money for Clifton now. What do you think?
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
Attachments:
This email shows Liz lying to a fellow Board member, confirming lying to the Mayor of Clifton AND confirming lying to a State Senator!
"Lied to LRR too" above has an email where Liz states - on June 16th! - that she has 7 votes gathered already - on June 30th she is lying to EVERYONE that she is toing to offer an amendment to give time to reassess all the 'data' from FCPS alleging declining population (not true), water issues (not true) and high cost of renovation (not true).
But it was all LIES.
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:03 PM
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Additional Question Re: Closing Clifton ES
Jim,
I do have a plan be and it is an amendment as you are describing. I spoke with the incoming Mayor and George Barker today on this to alert them. I am meeting with Dean and staff on this on Friday Sooooo hold up on that amendment good doctor! In fact my amendment has 5 years in it, review of enrollment data during those years and the money that would be used for this renovation now goes back into the queue. However, no money for Clifton now. What do you think?
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
timeline
()
Date: January 12, 2011 01:35PM
From: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:50 PM
To: 'michellestein@cox.net'
Subject:
Dear Mrs. Stein,
I was just forwarded an e-mail you circulated concerning a school board decision about the future of Clifton Elementary School. Please know that no decision has been made and that there is no time line at the moment for when a decision might be made. We are just at the beginning of that process.
Tessie Wilson
********************************************************************************
From: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member) [jtwilson@fcps.edu]
To: James, Denise; Tistadt, Dean
CC: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
BCC:
Sent: 5/7/2010 7:34:47 AM
Subject: RE:
Attachments:
I didn’t realize you wanted to move forward with a decision on Clifton that quickly. This project isn’t even bonded – and won’t even go to the voters until November, 2011.
Tessie Wilson
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 7:27 AM
To: Goddard, Pam; Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); James, Denise
Cc: Rhodes, Yvette P.; Charbonneau, Pat
Subject: RE:
We will get it to the board as soon as we have it. I do want to note that no board actions or decisions are expected at this work session. This session is to present the committee’s report and to discuss next steps. We are going to suggest that the board spend the time between now and the June work session in ensuring that they get answers to any and all questions they might have. At the June work session staff will seek guidance on the keystone decision which is whether we do or do not renovate Clifton. I assume that the actual decision will require board action at a regular meeting subsequent to the work session. Once the decision about Clifton is known, staff can prepare a recommendation for a boundary study which can be brought to the board in July. The study will be conducted this fall.
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STRATEGY:
1. Recommend a new school be built and hope nobody figures out it will be on a pile of asbestos.
2. Say that a decsion to close Clifton MUST happen in order to justify a discussion about the construction of a new school that they really don't intend to build.
3. Vote to close Clifton in a hurry even though the public caught wind of the asbestos.
4. Fallout....what to do with 400 students????????? Scramble for answers.
5. Come up with dozens of different plans to add multiple additions to neighboring schools at a cost well in excess of what a modest Clifton renovation would have cost. DO NOT TELL PUBLIC HOW THIS WILL BE PAID FOR.
6. Pretend the public is irrational and confused.
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:50 PM
To: 'michellestein@cox.net'
Subject:
Dear Mrs. Stein,
I was just forwarded an e-mail you circulated concerning a school board decision about the future of Clifton Elementary School. Please know that no decision has been made and that there is no time line at the moment for when a decision might be made. We are just at the beginning of that process.
Tessie Wilson
********************************************************************************
From: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member) [jtwilson@fcps.edu]
To: James, Denise; Tistadt, Dean
CC: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
BCC:
Sent: 5/7/2010 7:34:47 AM
Subject: RE:
Attachments:
I didn’t realize you wanted to move forward with a decision on Clifton that quickly. This project isn’t even bonded – and won’t even go to the voters until November, 2011.
Tessie Wilson
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 7:27 AM
To: Goddard, Pam; Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); James, Denise
Cc: Rhodes, Yvette P.; Charbonneau, Pat
Subject: RE:
We will get it to the board as soon as we have it. I do want to note that no board actions or decisions are expected at this work session. This session is to present the committee’s report and to discuss next steps. We are going to suggest that the board spend the time between now and the June work session in ensuring that they get answers to any and all questions they might have. At the June work session staff will seek guidance on the keystone decision which is whether we do or do not renovate Clifton. I assume that the actual decision will require board action at a regular meeting subsequent to the work session. Once the decision about Clifton is known, staff can prepare a recommendation for a boundary study which can be brought to the board in July. The study will be conducted this fall.
********************************************************************************
STRATEGY:
1. Recommend a new school be built and hope nobody figures out it will be on a pile of asbestos.
2. Say that a decsion to close Clifton MUST happen in order to justify a discussion about the construction of a new school that they really don't intend to build.
3. Vote to close Clifton in a hurry even though the public caught wind of the asbestos.
4. Fallout....what to do with 400 students????????? Scramble for answers.
5. Come up with dozens of different plans to add multiple additions to neighboring schools at a cost well in excess of what a modest Clifton renovation would have cost. DO NOT TELL PUBLIC HOW THIS WILL BE PAID FOR.
6. Pretend the public is irrational and confused.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
laugh of the day
()
Date: January 12, 2011 02:02PM
From: Tistadt, Dean [datistadt@fcps.edu]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/4/2010 10:18:57 PM
Subject: Re: Clifton Elementary closing
Attachments:
Thanks for your integrity. How rare it has become in many elected officials.
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Fri Jun 04 22:17:56 2010
Subject: RE: Clifton Elementary closing
Thanks Dean I will try to convey that in my emails. I appreciate your advice.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 10:17 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Clifton Elementary closing
Liz,
I admire your integrity. I wonder, however, if your public position at this time should not be that the report is a staff document and that you and the rest of the board have yet to formulate your own postions on this matter. You are being villified unfairly and inappropriately.
Dean.
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/4/2010 10:18:57 PM
Subject: Re: Clifton Elementary closing
Attachments:
Thanks for your integrity. How rare it has become in many elected officials.
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Fri Jun 04 22:17:56 2010
Subject: RE: Clifton Elementary closing
Thanks Dean I will try to convey that in my emails. I appreciate your advice.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 10:17 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Clifton Elementary closing
Liz,
I admire your integrity. I wonder, however, if your public position at this time should not be that the report is a staff document and that you and the rest of the board have yet to formulate your own postions on this matter. You are being villified unfairly and inappropriately.
Dean.
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Molly Corbin
()
Date: January 12, 2011 02:13PM
The above post is absurd.
This individual serves as the Chief Operating Officer and head of Facilities and Transportation for all of FCPS.
The utter failure of FCPS to plan for or accurately predict growth and needs in this county alone should be cause for the system to ask for his resignation.
Added insult to injury of his documented behavior in these emails and with examples like the Woodson NPA compound his transgressions. The recent article in the Connection Newspaper should have been the straw that broke the camel's back.
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=347166&paper=81&cat=104
His acknowledgement of Bradsher's "integrity" is disgraceful. He wouldn't know integrity if it hit him in the face with a 2x4. The fact that he recognized what she did as possessing integrity proves it.
This individual serves as the Chief Operating Officer and head of Facilities and Transportation for all of FCPS.
The utter failure of FCPS to plan for or accurately predict growth and needs in this county alone should be cause for the system to ask for his resignation.
Added insult to injury of his documented behavior in these emails and with examples like the Woodson NPA compound his transgressions. The recent article in the Connection Newspaper should have been the straw that broke the camel's back.
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=347166&paper=81&cat=104
His acknowledgement of Bradsher's "integrity" is disgraceful. He wouldn't know integrity if it hit him in the face with a 2x4. The fact that he recognized what she did as possessing integrity proves it.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WSHS parent
()
Date: January 12, 2011 02:21PM
West Springfield is Special wrote:
>
> TRANSLATION:
>
> Kevin-
>
> Please transfer all available CIP savings to
> WSHS-but don't tell anyone.
>
> Toodles-
>
> Liz
More twisted lies from a Clifton supporter.
Liz, thanks for helping WsHs, we love you and will get out the vote for you.
PLEASE be careful, these people are obviously nut cases and they have guns. We don't want to see a repeat of AZ here. :(
>
> TRANSLATION:
>
> Kevin-
>
> Please transfer all available CIP savings to
> WSHS-but don't tell anyone.
>
> Toodles-
>
> Liz
More twisted lies from a Clifton supporter.
Liz, thanks for helping WsHs, we love you and will get out the vote for you.
PLEASE be careful, these people are obviously nut cases and they have guns. We don't want to see a repeat of AZ here. :(
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 12, 2011 02:47PM
WSHS parent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> West Springfield is Special wrote:
> >
> > TRANSLATION:
> >
> > Kevin-
> >
> > Please transfer all available CIP savings to
> > WSHS-but don't tell anyone.
> >
> > Toodles-
> >
> > Liz
>
> More twisted lies from a Clifton supporter.
>
> Liz, thanks for helping WsHs, we love you and will
> get out the vote for you.
>
> PLEASE be careful, these people are obviously nut
> cases and they have guns. We don't want to see a
> repeat of AZ here. :(
You're delusional! How exactly did she help WSHS? I must have missed the WSHS listing on the CIP.
More twisted lies from a LIZ supporter.
-------------------------------------------------------
> West Springfield is Special wrote:
> >
> > TRANSLATION:
> >
> > Kevin-
> >
> > Please transfer all available CIP savings to
> > WSHS-but don't tell anyone.
> >
> > Toodles-
> >
> > Liz
>
> More twisted lies from a Clifton supporter.
>
> Liz, thanks for helping WsHs, we love you and will
> get out the vote for you.
>
> PLEASE be careful, these people are obviously nut
> cases and they have guns. We don't want to see a
> repeat of AZ here. :(
You're delusional! How exactly did she help WSHS? I must have missed the WSHS listing on the CIP.
More twisted lies from a LIZ supporter.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sophie's Choice for Liz
()
Date: January 12, 2011 02:48PM
Everyone remembers the movie. Meryl Streep being unloaded from the train to the concentration camp. The evil Nazi soldier forcing her to choose which of her children gets to live.........
Poor, Liz, she had the same dilemma.....
********************************************************************************
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Wardinski, Paul A.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/4/2010 11:45:40 AM
Subject: FW: Clifton Elementary School
Attachments:
Just some interesting reading. Such is my “Sophie’s Choice.â€
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 11:38 AM
To: 'Hollaway, William R.'
Subject: RE: Clifton Elementary School
Thanks Bill.
I understand your advocacy and reasons; of course I could offer a debate on most of your comments. I do understand the passion of the Clifton residents.
BTW according to design and construction no additional capacity will be added to Clifton due to projections, topography of the site and location. The cost per renovation per student remains at $35,000 +. It is my understanding this remains a conservative number.
Union Mill residents support keeping Clifton open due to the unknown certainty of what will take place in their neighborhood community should a new school be built at the Liberty sight. It appears everyone has a parochial view on the issue. I understand Clifton ES is the “fabric†of the Clifton community but so is Graham Rd. ES and so was Wilton Woods, Virginia Hills and other schools that were closed for similar reasons.
I suppose I am looking more at the larger/bigger picture. I have questioned impact to our Capital Improvement Program and what it would mean if we close Clifton and if we renovate, add additions elsewhere, etc. I have done the research and found certain savings could be allocated towards the county expansion of full day K which would impact thousands of students county-wide many of whom live in the Springfield District. The CIP impact could also assist with other renovation projects in the queue and in desperate need, one in particular is West Springfield HS serving 2100 + students daily and projected to be at 2459 students in a few short years, thus being well over 350 students over capacity .
The above represents just some of my thoughts. There is no doubt Clifton can be renovated ---but at what cost? This is my concern and I think about this issue daily.
Liz
________________________________
From: Hollaway, William R. [mailto:WHollaway@gibsondunn.com]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 11:17 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Clifton Elementary School
Liz,
Hi again. This is Bill Hollaway. I am the Mayor-Elect of the Town of Clifton, Virginia.
I wanted to provide you with my thoughts regarding the renovation of Clifton Elementary School. After much research and reflection, I am thoroughly supportive of renovating Clifton Elementary School and keeping it open at that location. I see this as one of the single most important issues of my term as Mayor of Clifton.
Attached is a summary of my views on the School Board's forthcoming decision regarding Clifton Elementary School. I have come to the unequivocal conclusion that renovating Clifton Elementary School, and preserving the balance of funds to construct the right school when the right location becomes available is the right decision. I have also included my summary directly at the end of this email.
In arriving at my views, I have spoken with many members of the Clifton Community, including those without children at Clifton Elementary, those with children at Clifton, and those that have children that will attend Clifton in the future. To a person, every one spoken with one voice, passionately in support of renovating Clifton Elementary School. I also have reflected on my 18 years in the Clifton Community and as a parent of past and future students at Clifton Elementary School.
I am available to speak with you or meet with you at any time about this matter. Please feel free to contact me at any time by email or at my office (202.955-8592), my mobile phone (703.869-8830), or my home phone (703.815-3269). That includes evenings and weekends. There is no more important issue facing the greater Clifton Community than the renovation of Clifton Elementary School.
Thank you for your time,
- Bill
William R. Hollaway, Ph.D.
Mayor-Elect, Town of Clifton
Poor, Liz, she had the same dilemma.....
********************************************************************************
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Wardinski, Paul A.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/4/2010 11:45:40 AM
Subject: FW: Clifton Elementary School
Attachments:
Just some interesting reading. Such is my “Sophie’s Choice.â€
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 11:38 AM
To: 'Hollaway, William R.'
Subject: RE: Clifton Elementary School
Thanks Bill.
I understand your advocacy and reasons; of course I could offer a debate on most of your comments. I do understand the passion of the Clifton residents.
BTW according to design and construction no additional capacity will be added to Clifton due to projections, topography of the site and location. The cost per renovation per student remains at $35,000 +. It is my understanding this remains a conservative number.
Union Mill residents support keeping Clifton open due to the unknown certainty of what will take place in their neighborhood community should a new school be built at the Liberty sight. It appears everyone has a parochial view on the issue. I understand Clifton ES is the “fabric†of the Clifton community but so is Graham Rd. ES and so was Wilton Woods, Virginia Hills and other schools that were closed for similar reasons.
I suppose I am looking more at the larger/bigger picture. I have questioned impact to our Capital Improvement Program and what it would mean if we close Clifton and if we renovate, add additions elsewhere, etc. I have done the research and found certain savings could be allocated towards the county expansion of full day K which would impact thousands of students county-wide many of whom live in the Springfield District. The CIP impact could also assist with other renovation projects in the queue and in desperate need, one in particular is West Springfield HS serving 2100 + students daily and projected to be at 2459 students in a few short years, thus being well over 350 students over capacity .
The above represents just some of my thoughts. There is no doubt Clifton can be renovated ---but at what cost? This is my concern and I think about this issue daily.
Liz
________________________________
From: Hollaway, William R. [mailto:WHollaway@gibsondunn.com]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 11:17 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Clifton Elementary School
Liz,
Hi again. This is Bill Hollaway. I am the Mayor-Elect of the Town of Clifton, Virginia.
I wanted to provide you with my thoughts regarding the renovation of Clifton Elementary School. After much research and reflection, I am thoroughly supportive of renovating Clifton Elementary School and keeping it open at that location. I see this as one of the single most important issues of my term as Mayor of Clifton.
Attached is a summary of my views on the School Board's forthcoming decision regarding Clifton Elementary School. I have come to the unequivocal conclusion that renovating Clifton Elementary School, and preserving the balance of funds to construct the right school when the right location becomes available is the right decision. I have also included my summary directly at the end of this email.
In arriving at my views, I have spoken with many members of the Clifton Community, including those without children at Clifton Elementary, those with children at Clifton, and those that have children that will attend Clifton in the future. To a person, every one spoken with one voice, passionately in support of renovating Clifton Elementary School. I also have reflected on my 18 years in the Clifton Community and as a parent of past and future students at Clifton Elementary School.
I am available to speak with you or meet with you at any time about this matter. Please feel free to contact me at any time by email or at my office (202.955-8592), my mobile phone (703.869-8830), or my home phone (703.815-3269). That includes evenings and weekends. There is no more important issue facing the greater Clifton Community than the renovation of Clifton Elementary School.
Thank you for your time,
- Bill
William R. Hollaway, Ph.D.
Mayor-Elect, Town of Clifton
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
No sense
()
Date: January 12, 2011 02:57PM
Are you saying that people who rally in a democratic fashion and employ legal counsel to state their argument are "nut cases"? I don't see how you can jump to the conclusion that they are "obviously nut cases". Where is the evidence for that? These are examples of "faulty cause" and "hasty generalization"--- illogical statements. You must use logic if you are arguing something. Your statement is conjecture and serves no purpose in building up your argument. Clearly you are blinded by your love for your community school. But I'm sure Liz will say you are a better citizen than those in Clifton.
Please argue using evidence---names of "nut jobs" please. The so called "nut jobs" have LOTS of evidence in the FOIA emails.
Please argue using evidence---names of "nut jobs" please. The so called "nut jobs" have LOTS of evidence in the FOIA emails.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
shouldn't she have known this?
()
Date: January 12, 2011 03:21PM
June 2nd....Liz had pretty much decided to close the school...but hey, might as well ask some important questions......
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 2:04 AM
To: James, Denise
Cc: Cain, Debora L.
Subject: RE: Clifton Questions
Hi Denise,
Well you asked….here are my first questions regarding the Clifton ES issues:
1. If Clifton was to close would a full transfer of students necessarily go to the proposed new school? Please indicate an approximate percentage of students that might attend the new school should it be built in close proximity to the current Clifton ES.
2. The Clifton report states a 1984 boundary study changed the Clifton boundary to what it is today. Can you please verify what the boundary of Clifton looked like prior to 1984 and if records are available indicating how many students attended then? Have any changes taken place to the boundary since 1984?
3. When was the Burke school changed to a special alternative school and how old is Burke school? How many students were displaced as a result of this change and where were they sent to attend elementary school in the surrounding Burke area?
4. If a modified renovation were to take place at Clifton ES what would be the concerns, if any, per Facilities’ staff and Instructional Services.
5. When renovating an elementary school is enrollment capacity usually added to a school? Will capacity be added to Clifton; if not can you please explain why this would not take place?
6. Instructionally speaking what would be the pros and cons of a traditional renovation versus a minimal renovation? What type of impact would this have on future CIP renovations if any?
7. What is staff’s position (Facilities) with regard to a minimal renovation at Clifton which provides upgrades to mechanical and fire suppression systems? Please site benefits as well as concerns.
8. Can you please explain the student projections for Clifton and how projections are determined?
9. Specifically what renovations need to take place at Clifton ES, please also include all renovations that respond to the safety of the student body, especially any safety measures that have resulted after 9/11/01?
10. How many elementary schools are below a capacity of 300 students? Do these schools provide any additional services other than the education of general ed students for grades k-6?
11. How many FCPS schools have been closed in the last 25 - 30 years, can you please list them and reasons for their closing?
12. If Clifton remains open and a full renovation is completed will a new school also be needed to address capacity and will school additions be needed at various study schools. If so can you please show costs indicating the differing scenarios with a renovation, new school and additions and without, etc.?
13. How has our projection capabilities changed since the building of South County Secondary? What are we doing differently that has helped us obtain improved accuracy with projections?
14. What would be the bus route to the Liberty site using Clifton ES as the starting point for the route? How long is this route?
15. If an ES school was to be built on the Liberty site, where might the student body come from to attend this school?
16. How many students from the Town of Clifton attend Clifton ES? Are there any walkers to this school?
17. The Clifton Subcommittee Supplement reports on the benefits of a small rural school. In Fairfax our newer schools are built for approximately 800 + students, please comment about elementary school size and their community and perceived instructional benefits. In addition what do you perceive to be the “cons†of such size schools?
18. Gunston ES is in a rural environment and removed from certain area Rt 1 density. However, the size of Gunston ES has grown despite being on septic in the past several years resulting from boundary changes. Does Gunston ES have any structural similarities to Clifton ES? The Gunston ES site is vastly different than Clifton, has this helped with Gunston’s ability to handle capacity growth outside of Mason Neck?
19. What is the total cost of our CIP project load?
20. There has been much discussion about the well water provided at Clifton ES. It is my understanding we can provide water at Clifton via a new well and improvements to older wells. How will we provide a fire suppression system?
21. What are the estimated costs of an improved water/well system, estimated annual costs and costs for a fire suppression system versus a traditional system that is not reliant on a well/tank. (I realize this information is accessible via various reports, however I would like this question answered in a succinct manner for the purposes of online questions for the public—thanks.)
Call me if you have questions---thanks.
Liz
Elizabeth Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 2:04 AM
To: James, Denise
Cc: Cain, Debora L.
Subject: RE: Clifton Questions
Hi Denise,
Well you asked….here are my first questions regarding the Clifton ES issues:
1. If Clifton was to close would a full transfer of students necessarily go to the proposed new school? Please indicate an approximate percentage of students that might attend the new school should it be built in close proximity to the current Clifton ES.
2. The Clifton report states a 1984 boundary study changed the Clifton boundary to what it is today. Can you please verify what the boundary of Clifton looked like prior to 1984 and if records are available indicating how many students attended then? Have any changes taken place to the boundary since 1984?
3. When was the Burke school changed to a special alternative school and how old is Burke school? How many students were displaced as a result of this change and where were they sent to attend elementary school in the surrounding Burke area?
4. If a modified renovation were to take place at Clifton ES what would be the concerns, if any, per Facilities’ staff and Instructional Services.
5. When renovating an elementary school is enrollment capacity usually added to a school? Will capacity be added to Clifton; if not can you please explain why this would not take place?
6. Instructionally speaking what would be the pros and cons of a traditional renovation versus a minimal renovation? What type of impact would this have on future CIP renovations if any?
7. What is staff’s position (Facilities) with regard to a minimal renovation at Clifton which provides upgrades to mechanical and fire suppression systems? Please site benefits as well as concerns.
8. Can you please explain the student projections for Clifton and how projections are determined?
9. Specifically what renovations need to take place at Clifton ES, please also include all renovations that respond to the safety of the student body, especially any safety measures that have resulted after 9/11/01?
10. How many elementary schools are below a capacity of 300 students? Do these schools provide any additional services other than the education of general ed students for grades k-6?
11. How many FCPS schools have been closed in the last 25 - 30 years, can you please list them and reasons for their closing?
12. If Clifton remains open and a full renovation is completed will a new school also be needed to address capacity and will school additions be needed at various study schools. If so can you please show costs indicating the differing scenarios with a renovation, new school and additions and without, etc.?
13. How has our projection capabilities changed since the building of South County Secondary? What are we doing differently that has helped us obtain improved accuracy with projections?
14. What would be the bus route to the Liberty site using Clifton ES as the starting point for the route? How long is this route?
15. If an ES school was to be built on the Liberty site, where might the student body come from to attend this school?
16. How many students from the Town of Clifton attend Clifton ES? Are there any walkers to this school?
17. The Clifton Subcommittee Supplement reports on the benefits of a small rural school. In Fairfax our newer schools are built for approximately 800 + students, please comment about elementary school size and their community and perceived instructional benefits. In addition what do you perceive to be the “cons†of such size schools?
18. Gunston ES is in a rural environment and removed from certain area Rt 1 density. However, the size of Gunston ES has grown despite being on septic in the past several years resulting from boundary changes. Does Gunston ES have any structural similarities to Clifton ES? The Gunston ES site is vastly different than Clifton, has this helped with Gunston’s ability to handle capacity growth outside of Mason Neck?
19. What is the total cost of our CIP project load?
20. There has been much discussion about the well water provided at Clifton ES. It is my understanding we can provide water at Clifton via a new well and improvements to older wells. How will we provide a fire suppression system?
21. What are the estimated costs of an improved water/well system, estimated annual costs and costs for a fire suppression system versus a traditional system that is not reliant on a well/tank. (I realize this information is accessible via various reports, however I would like this question answered in a succinct manner for the purposes of online questions for the public—thanks.)
Call me if you have questions---thanks.
Liz
Elizabeth Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WSHS parents are all inbred whores
()
Date: January 12, 2011 03:24PM
WSHS parent Wrote:
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> West Springfield is Special wrote:
> >
> > TRANSLATION:
> >
> > Kevin-
> >
> > Please transfer all available CIP savings to
> > WSHS-but don't tell anyone.
> >
> > Toodles-
> >
> > Liz
>
> More twisted lies from a Clifton supporter.
>
> Liz, thanks for helping WsHs, we love you and will
> get out the vote for you.
>
> PLEASE be careful, these people are obviously nut
> cases and they have guns. We don't want to see a
> repeat of AZ here. :(
What a douchebag loser. Trying to inject the Tucson tragedy against the backdrop of an entire community (plus hundreds of parents from other communities that will be affected by this insanity) standing up and asking legitimate questions. Liz, you've got to stop coming on here and acting like you have supporters. We can number you true supporters with our fingers and toes. 20 votes for, 1500 votes against. Yeah Liz, your political future looks about as bright as the below freezing IQ of this puppet poster.
-------------------------------------------------------
> West Springfield is Special wrote:
> >
> > TRANSLATION:
> >
> > Kevin-
> >
> > Please transfer all available CIP savings to
> > WSHS-but don't tell anyone.
> >
> > Toodles-
> >
> > Liz
>
> More twisted lies from a Clifton supporter.
>
> Liz, thanks for helping WsHs, we love you and will
> get out the vote for you.
>
> PLEASE be careful, these people are obviously nut
> cases and they have guns. We don't want to see a
> repeat of AZ here. :(
What a douchebag loser. Trying to inject the Tucson tragedy against the backdrop of an entire community (plus hundreds of parents from other communities that will be affected by this insanity) standing up and asking legitimate questions. Liz, you've got to stop coming on here and acting like you have supporters. We can number you true supporters with our fingers and toes. 20 votes for, 1500 votes against. Yeah Liz, your political future looks about as bright as the below freezing IQ of this puppet poster.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To: WSHS parent from herewegoagain
()
Date: January 12, 2011 03:37PM
WSHS parent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> West Springfield is Special wrote:
> >
> > TRANSLATION:
> >
> > Kevin-
> >
> > Please transfer all available CIP savings to
> > WSHS-but don't tell anyone.
> >
> > Toodles-
> >
> > Liz
>
> More twisted lies from a Clifton supporter.
>
> Liz, thanks for helping WsHs, we love you and will
> get out the vote for you.
>
> PLEASE be careful, these people are obviously nut
> cases and they have guns. We don't want to see a
> repeat of AZ here. :(
The fact that one of Liz's supporters would trivialize a national tragedy in such a manner is appalling.
To stoop so low as to insinuate that someone would commit such a heinous act is abhorrent behavior.
You should be ashamed of yourself. If I was a parent at WSHS I would be ashamed and embarrassed by your callous remark.
-------------------------------------------------------
> West Springfield is Special wrote:
> >
> > TRANSLATION:
> >
> > Kevin-
> >
> > Please transfer all available CIP savings to
> > WSHS-but don't tell anyone.
> >
> > Toodles-
> >
> > Liz
>
> More twisted lies from a Clifton supporter.
>
> Liz, thanks for helping WsHs, we love you and will
> get out the vote for you.
>
> PLEASE be careful, these people are obviously nut
> cases and they have guns. We don't want to see a
> repeat of AZ here. :(
The fact that one of Liz's supporters would trivialize a national tragedy in such a manner is appalling.
To stoop so low as to insinuate that someone would commit such a heinous act is abhorrent behavior.
You should be ashamed of yourself. If I was a parent at WSHS I would be ashamed and embarrassed by your callous remark.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
slubdawg
()
Date: January 12, 2011 03:42PM
I've been reading this thread for some time with great interest.
First of all, I have no vested interest in Clifton or WSHS and don't know anything about Liz Bradsher and frankly as an outsider all this is a little confusing. Trying to sort out all the emails and comments is a little overwhelming.
However, I do find some of her comments curious. In one instance she used the figure $35,000 as cost per student as an argument against keeping Clifton open. That would assume that only those students currently enrolled in Clifton would benefit from renovation. I wonder what the budget for WSHS renovation is. Is it less than $7.35 million? because, based on her figures, that would be the break even point at $35,000 per student.
It does appear that there has been some duplicity involved including participation by the FCPS admin.
First of all, I have no vested interest in Clifton or WSHS and don't know anything about Liz Bradsher and frankly as an outsider all this is a little confusing. Trying to sort out all the emails and comments is a little overwhelming.
However, I do find some of her comments curious. In one instance she used the figure $35,000 as cost per student as an argument against keeping Clifton open. That would assume that only those students currently enrolled in Clifton would benefit from renovation. I wonder what the budget for WSHS renovation is. Is it less than $7.35 million? because, based on her figures, that would be the break even point at $35,000 per student.
It does appear that there has been some duplicity involved including participation by the FCPS admin.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Lead foots??
()
Date: January 12, 2011 03:46PM
From: James, Denise [DJames@fcps.edu]
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
CC: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean
BCC:
Sent: 6/2/2010 5:11:50 PM
Subject: Quesion on distances re: Clifton ES
Attachments:
Good Afternoon Dr. Raney- Although we will be responding to all SW study questions for the work session, I am remiss getting back to you on the one question you asked during the May 10 work session on Clifton ES attendance area bus routes – the distances and times involved to the epicenter of overcrowding – This info was provided to us from Transportation. IF there is anything further, please let me know.
Regards – Denise
CLIFTON ES: Attendance Area Bus Routes - DISTANCE /TIME
TOTAL AVERAGE MILES: 7 miles
AVERAGE TIME: 25 minutes
Distance to epicenter of overcrowded area:
Clifton ES to Colin Powell ES
5.6 miles 15 minutes
Clifton ES to Eagle View ES
7.6 miles 20 minutes
Liberty MS to Colin Powel ES
3.8 miles - 10 minutes
Liberty MS to Eagle View ES
6.3 miles - 17 minutes
Liberty MS site to Clifton ES
2.7 miles - 5 minutes
Denise James
Director, Facilities Planning Services
8115 Gatehouse Road
Falls Church, VA 22042
Tel. 571-423-2325
********************************************************************************
OK, wait a second.
Are these bus routes we are talking about?
Since when can a school bus with multiple stops travel 6 miles in 17 minutes?
I live about 3.5 miles from our middle school and it takes me about 20-25 minutes to drive there.
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
CC: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean
BCC:
Sent: 6/2/2010 5:11:50 PM
Subject: Quesion on distances re: Clifton ES
Attachments:
Good Afternoon Dr. Raney- Although we will be responding to all SW study questions for the work session, I am remiss getting back to you on the one question you asked during the May 10 work session on Clifton ES attendance area bus routes – the distances and times involved to the epicenter of overcrowding – This info was provided to us from Transportation. IF there is anything further, please let me know.
Regards – Denise
CLIFTON ES: Attendance Area Bus Routes - DISTANCE /TIME
TOTAL AVERAGE MILES: 7 miles
AVERAGE TIME: 25 minutes
Distance to epicenter of overcrowded area:
Clifton ES to Colin Powell ES
5.6 miles 15 minutes
Clifton ES to Eagle View ES
7.6 miles 20 minutes
Liberty MS to Colin Powel ES
3.8 miles - 10 minutes
Liberty MS to Eagle View ES
6.3 miles - 17 minutes
Liberty MS site to Clifton ES
2.7 miles - 5 minutes
Denise James
Director, Facilities Planning Services
8115 Gatehouse Road
Falls Church, VA 22042
Tel. 571-423-2325
********************************************************************************
OK, wait a second.
Are these bus routes we are talking about?
Since when can a school bus with multiple stops travel 6 miles in 17 minutes?
I live about 3.5 miles from our middle school and it takes me about 20-25 minutes to drive there.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sickened
()
Date: January 12, 2011 03:53PM
The sick sick sick association by a Bradsher supporter of Clifton residents to a national tragedy with losses of life as mind-numbing as a 9 year old child, a federal judge, elderly citizes and the like is reprehensible.
We are a nation of laws and the fact that some seek justice from the courts to hold accountable those who broke laws is laudable.
One would only hope that Bradsher herself would post here and tell her supporter to apologize for this disgusting analogy.
Shame on you.
We are a nation of laws and the fact that some seek justice from the courts to hold accountable those who broke laws is laudable.
One would only hope that Bradsher herself would post here and tell her supporter to apologize for this disgusting analogy.
Shame on you.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
What SOAR really means
()
Date: January 12, 2011 03:56PM
Just ask little greedy Erik Hawkins what SOAR actually stands for:
S Screw
O Others
A Awaiting
R Renovations
Let's make a game out of this shall we......who can come up with a better one?
S Screw
O Others
A Awaiting
R Renovations
Let's make a game out of this shall we......who can come up with a better one?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To LB Supporters
()
Date: January 12, 2011 04:07PM
You best take a moment and rethink here.
There is too much here to show your pal is not who or what she says she is - so be careful before you continue to cast your lot with her and certainly don't start associating whole neighboring populations with a mentally ill mass murderer. If you do, we'll know why you are casting lots with her.
Attachments:
There is too much here to show your pal is not who or what she says she is - so be careful before you continue to cast your lot with her and certainly don't start associating whole neighboring populations with a mentally ill mass murderer. If you do, we'll know why you are casting lots with her.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
send those letters
()
Date: January 12, 2011 04:10PM
From: Leslie Carlin [fourcarlins@verizon.net]
To: Rob Robertory; Chadwell, Laura G; Wardinski, Paul A.; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Monique Craft; Erik & Mary Hawkins; Nancy Knickerbocker; Lynn Smith; Lorey Goerlinger; Christine Morin; Darren & Debbie Williams; Hawkins, Erik; Cindy.henderson@cox.net
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/29/2010 9:55:17 PM
Subject: PLEASE HELP...Time to write to the School Board for WSHS Renovation
Attachments:
Hey everyone…I hope you’re having a good summer so far (hope Bermuda, Myrtle Beach, Cape Cod and other beaches were/are fun!!). I’m asking for your help with getting WSHS renovated as soon as possible!!!!
We REALLY need to SEND the SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS as many emails as possible regarding the WSHS RENOVATION. As some of you know, many people spoke to the School Board last night about renovating Clifton Elementary. Without mentioning Clifton at all, we need to be vocal about WSHS once again, and remind the SB that we are still waiting for a much needed, much anticipated renovation.
I am attaching a sample text that you can use directly, or if you’d like to amend/change it, that would work also. I’m sure Erik will be sending something as well. In order for the message to go to all of the members, please use schoolboardmembers@fcps.edu. PLEASE PLEASE let’s keep WSHS in the forefront … there is a possibility that we can move to be on the bond in 2011….that is next year!!!! So please send this to your neighbors, friends, relatives, and anyone else, and have them send it to the school board. Let’s get WSHS renovated ASAP!! The vote is on July 8, so the sooner, the better.
Thanks, Leslie
S Selfish
O Ogers
A Advocating
R Renovation Money
To: Rob Robertory; Chadwell, Laura G; Wardinski, Paul A.; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Monique Craft; Erik & Mary Hawkins; Nancy Knickerbocker; Lynn Smith; Lorey Goerlinger; Christine Morin; Darren & Debbie Williams; Hawkins, Erik; Cindy.henderson@cox.net
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/29/2010 9:55:17 PM
Subject: PLEASE HELP...Time to write to the School Board for WSHS Renovation
Attachments:
Hey everyone…I hope you’re having a good summer so far (hope Bermuda, Myrtle Beach, Cape Cod and other beaches were/are fun!!). I’m asking for your help with getting WSHS renovated as soon as possible!!!!
We REALLY need to SEND the SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS as many emails as possible regarding the WSHS RENOVATION. As some of you know, many people spoke to the School Board last night about renovating Clifton Elementary. Without mentioning Clifton at all, we need to be vocal about WSHS once again, and remind the SB that we are still waiting for a much needed, much anticipated renovation.
I am attaching a sample text that you can use directly, or if you’d like to amend/change it, that would work also. I’m sure Erik will be sending something as well. In order for the message to go to all of the members, please use schoolboardmembers@fcps.edu. PLEASE PLEASE let’s keep WSHS in the forefront … there is a possibility that we can move to be on the bond in 2011….that is next year!!!! So please send this to your neighbors, friends, relatives, and anyone else, and have them send it to the school board. Let’s get WSHS renovated ASAP!! The vote is on July 8, so the sooner, the better.
Thanks, Leslie
S Selfish
O Ogers
A Advocating
R Renovation Money
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dean and Liz sitting in a tree
()
Date: January 12, 2011 04:26PM
WARNING:
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO VISUALIZE THESE TWO TOGETHER!
********************************************************************************
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: rrobertory1@earthlink.net
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 4/15/2010 11:33:31 AM
Subject: Note
Attachments:
Read these emails it will give you a good idea of what I have been working on and the frustrations of dealing with human nature. It may be enlightening due to our earlier conversation.
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thu Apr 15 10:55:35 2010
Subject: RE: RE: Robinson meeting
Okay, so if you and I are in relative sync on this issue, the question that begs answering as you note is what do we change about the boundary process that would make it better for everyone. A question to which I don’t have an answer but maybe we can brainstorm with CPDC on this issue and gain the wisdom of the collective group? Alternatively, you and I can go to Hard Times for happy hour and achieve wisdom through cold beers and wings.
_____________________________________________
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO VISUALIZE THESE TWO TOGETHER!
********************************************************************************
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: rrobertory1@earthlink.net
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 4/15/2010 11:33:31 AM
Subject: Note
Attachments:
Read these emails it will give you a good idea of what I have been working on and the frustrations of dealing with human nature. It may be enlightening due to our earlier conversation.
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thu Apr 15 10:55:35 2010
Subject: RE: RE: Robinson meeting
Okay, so if you and I are in relative sync on this issue, the question that begs answering as you note is what do we change about the boundary process that would make it better for everyone. A question to which I don’t have an answer but maybe we can brainstorm with CPDC on this issue and gain the wisdom of the collective group? Alternatively, you and I can go to Hard Times for happy hour and achieve wisdom through cold beers and wings.
_____________________________________________
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Must be another Liz Bradsher
()
Date: January 12, 2011 04:38PM
An Update from Liz
September 2007
Dear Residents:
During the past several weeks I have been grateful to have received endorsements from:
The Fairfax Education Association (FEA) representing over 70% of the teachers in Fairfax County.
The SLEEP organization which represents over 8000 concerned residents for implementing a later bell schedule for county high schools.
These days I have been busy meeting the many District parents at back to school nights at our area schools and in other forums. This has given me an opportunity to view the schools and to listen to the parents about their various educational concerns.
One clear concern is the issue of maintaining neighborhood schools. I fully support the concept of neighborhood community schools. For 5 years I worked to get a school built in record time through innovative financing measures which saved the school system over $16 million dollars. I did this so that the residents in the South County area could be afforded what many other area residents already had, a community school. I know what a community school means to all the families and residents of the Springfield district.
Community schools are important to all residents. A community school is the nucleus or center of the community from where it draws. These schools provide a community identity for students, parents and their neighborhoods. This identity is key to the success of the school, the students, teachers and organizations that give it life and ultimately the key to success for the overall community.
As your School Board representative I will work hard to maintain community schools in the Springfield District as well as in the rest of Fairfax County. I don't approve of breaking long standing communities up for the sake of unwarranted boundary modifications. Personally, I have witnessed too many boundary town meetings which have torn communities apart and resulted in negative outcomes.
There is no substitute in this county for a community school.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
http://lizbradsher.org/update.asp http://lizbradsher.org/update.asp
September 2007
Dear Residents:
During the past several weeks I have been grateful to have received endorsements from:
The Fairfax Education Association (FEA) representing over 70% of the teachers in Fairfax County.
The SLEEP organization which represents over 8000 concerned residents for implementing a later bell schedule for county high schools.
These days I have been busy meeting the many District parents at back to school nights at our area schools and in other forums. This has given me an opportunity to view the schools and to listen to the parents about their various educational concerns.
One clear concern is the issue of maintaining neighborhood schools. I fully support the concept of neighborhood community schools. For 5 years I worked to get a school built in record time through innovative financing measures which saved the school system over $16 million dollars. I did this so that the residents in the South County area could be afforded what many other area residents already had, a community school. I know what a community school means to all the families and residents of the Springfield district.
Community schools are important to all residents. A community school is the nucleus or center of the community from where it draws. These schools provide a community identity for students, parents and their neighborhoods. This identity is key to the success of the school, the students, teachers and organizations that give it life and ultimately the key to success for the overall community.
As your School Board representative I will work hard to maintain community schools in the Springfield District as well as in the rest of Fairfax County. I don't approve of breaking long standing communities up for the sake of unwarranted boundary modifications. Personally, I have witnessed too many boundary town meetings which have torn communities apart and resulted in negative outcomes.
There is no substitute in this county for a community school.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
http://lizbradsher.org/update.asp http://lizbradsher.org/update.asp
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Plz get help
()
Date: January 12, 2011 05:35PM
LIES BY LIZ Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Nothing new here with Liz the BITCH. She will say
> and do anything that will screw kids and parents.
>
So much anger and hate, please seek help.
I hope you do not own a gun. If you do, please get rid of it. Now.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Nothing new here with Liz the BITCH. She will say
> and do anything that will screw kids and parents.
>
So much anger and hate, please seek help.
I hope you do not own a gun. If you do, please get rid of it. Now.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to PLZ get help
()
Date: January 12, 2011 05:43PM
Really? Really? Not funny to compare Clifton to the shooting in AZ.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
what is a flipper?
()
Date: January 12, 2011 06:10PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Cain, Debora L.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/22/2010 3:31:32 PM
Subject: FW: Clifton Elementary
A flipper!
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Jill D. Hill [mailto:Jill.Hill@obrienjones.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:53 PM
To: School Board Members
Subject: Clifton Elementary
Dear Sirs,
I am writing to ask that you keep Clifton Elementary School open, renovated or not, to help preserve an integral part of the Clifton community. When I first decided to move out "west" from Arlington to have some space, I primarily focused on Loudoun due to lower costs. One day, at a friend's urging, I drove into Clifton. I loved it. But what sealed the deal for me and made me move to Clifton despite the much higher taxes and property costs was Clifton Elementary. It was where I wanted my kids to go to school. I wanted my kids to grow up in Clifton. My eldest daughter is now 4 and may never get to attend Clifton Elementary.
Clifton is unique in Fairfax County in its need for schools to bring the community together. Generally, except for the town of Clifton, we all live very far apart. My neighborhood covers many square miles and there are only 3 familes with kids. I was counting on Clifton Elementary to bring me together with other local Clifton families with kids that are my daughters' ages. We attend preschool and playgroups, but they are mostly in Burke, as there is a large concentration of preschools and kids there. But kids in Burke don’t have ponies and chickens and farm chores in common with my girls.
Closing Clifton Elementary will be a huge blow to our community. Please consider the unique aspects of Clifton that make us willing to have an older, unrenovated school if that’s what's needed to keep our sense of community and provide a way for us to come together.
Further, I think it is somewhat unreasonable to close a school that is performing so well. Clifton Elementary is a gem educationally, regardless of its age and physical challenges. Please don’t tinker with something that is clearly working so well for us.
Jill DeMello Hill
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From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Cain, Debora L.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/15/2010 2:32:16 PM
Subject: FW: Clifton Elementary
Another flipper…
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Woodruff, Dave [mailto:woodruff@visa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 10:26 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Clifton Elementary
I would like you to know that I fully embrace the saving of Clifton Elementary School. I've been to many elementary schools in Fairfax County and just about all of them have nicer facilities than Clifton Elementary but Clifton seems to be a better school. Clifton Elementary has demonstrated a track record of success.....Why close a successful school?
I hope that you will support the students and parents of Clifton Elementary!
Thank You!
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From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Cain, Debora L.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/15/2010 9:44:36 PM
Subject: FW: Clifton Elementary
A flipper…
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Anderson, Gary [mailto:GAnderson@springcm.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:35 PM
To: School Board Members
Subject: Clifton Elementary
As a Clifton resident, I am writing to express my support for keeping Clifton Elementary open. This school is a valuable part of our community and closing it would adversely affect not only the families with children who attend this school, but the many other families whose children would end up moving to other schools as a result. Although we don't have children in Fairfax County schools, we pay substantial property taxes and state income taxes that support the school system.
Sincerely,
Gary Anderson
7230 Clifton Rd
Clifton, VA 20124
To: Cain, Debora L.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/22/2010 3:31:32 PM
Subject: FW: Clifton Elementary
A flipper!
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Jill D. Hill [mailto:Jill.Hill@obrienjones.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:53 PM
To: School Board Members
Subject: Clifton Elementary
Dear Sirs,
I am writing to ask that you keep Clifton Elementary School open, renovated or not, to help preserve an integral part of the Clifton community. When I first decided to move out "west" from Arlington to have some space, I primarily focused on Loudoun due to lower costs. One day, at a friend's urging, I drove into Clifton. I loved it. But what sealed the deal for me and made me move to Clifton despite the much higher taxes and property costs was Clifton Elementary. It was where I wanted my kids to go to school. I wanted my kids to grow up in Clifton. My eldest daughter is now 4 and may never get to attend Clifton Elementary.
Clifton is unique in Fairfax County in its need for schools to bring the community together. Generally, except for the town of Clifton, we all live very far apart. My neighborhood covers many square miles and there are only 3 familes with kids. I was counting on Clifton Elementary to bring me together with other local Clifton families with kids that are my daughters' ages. We attend preschool and playgroups, but they are mostly in Burke, as there is a large concentration of preschools and kids there. But kids in Burke don’t have ponies and chickens and farm chores in common with my girls.
Closing Clifton Elementary will be a huge blow to our community. Please consider the unique aspects of Clifton that make us willing to have an older, unrenovated school if that’s what's needed to keep our sense of community and provide a way for us to come together.
Further, I think it is somewhat unreasonable to close a school that is performing so well. Clifton Elementary is a gem educationally, regardless of its age and physical challenges. Please don’t tinker with something that is clearly working so well for us.
Jill DeMello Hill
********************************************************************************
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Cain, Debora L.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/15/2010 2:32:16 PM
Subject: FW: Clifton Elementary
Another flipper…
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Woodruff, Dave [mailto:woodruff@visa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 10:26 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Clifton Elementary
I would like you to know that I fully embrace the saving of Clifton Elementary School. I've been to many elementary schools in Fairfax County and just about all of them have nicer facilities than Clifton Elementary but Clifton seems to be a better school. Clifton Elementary has demonstrated a track record of success.....Why close a successful school?
I hope that you will support the students and parents of Clifton Elementary!
Thank You!
********************************************************************************
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Cain, Debora L.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/15/2010 9:44:36 PM
Subject: FW: Clifton Elementary
A flipper…
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
________________________________
From: Anderson, Gary [mailto:GAnderson@springcm.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:35 PM
To: School Board Members
Subject: Clifton Elementary
As a Clifton resident, I am writing to express my support for keeping Clifton Elementary open. This school is a valuable part of our community and closing it would adversely affect not only the families with children who attend this school, but the many other families whose children would end up moving to other schools as a result. Although we don't have children in Fairfax County schools, we pay substantial property taxes and state income taxes that support the school system.
Sincerely,
Gary Anderson
7230 Clifton Rd
Clifton, VA 20124
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sharon Bulova
()
Date: January 12, 2011 06:13PM
From: Bulova, Sharon S. [Sharon.Bulova@fairfaxcounty.gov]
To: Thomas, Mark C.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 5/4/2010 5:05:59 PM
Subject: FW: Clifton Elementary Response - with my edits.
Attachments:
Dear (Constituent)
Thanks so much for contacting me to share your concerns about Clifton Elementary School.
As you know, decisions regarding Clifton will be made by the School Board. I have offered to work with and assist Springfield District School Board Member Elizabeth Bradsher to explore options available for addressing some concerns about the school. One of those issues concern the wells serving Clifton Elementary and I have asked for County staff in Public Works and Fairfax Water to provide technical guidance with evaluating these aspects of a potential renovaltion including potential cost implications.
I know how much the school means to the community and appreciate hearing from you and knowing your thoughts.
Sincerely,
Sharon Bulova
________________________________
From: Thomas, Mark C.
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:48 PM
To: Bulova, Sharon S.
Subject: Clifton Elementary Response
Sharon:
Here is the message I drafted re: Clifton Elementary School, please let me know if any changes are required or if I ought to send it out. Additionally, should I Cc'ed Ms. Bradsher on the out-going messages? We have received three email so far, one opposed and two in favor of renovation.
Mark
________________________________
Dear (Constituent)
Thanks for contacting me to share your concerns about Clifton Elementary School.
For your information, I am working with Springfield District School Board Member Elizabeth Bradsher to explore the options available for addressing concerns about the school. I appreciate knowing your thoughts, thanks for taking the time to write.
Sincerely,
Sharon Bulova
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What exactly did Sharon Bulova do for the Clifton community?????
To: Thomas, Mark C.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 5/4/2010 5:05:59 PM
Subject: FW: Clifton Elementary Response - with my edits.
Attachments:
Dear (Constituent)
Thanks so much for contacting me to share your concerns about Clifton Elementary School.
As you know, decisions regarding Clifton will be made by the School Board. I have offered to work with and assist Springfield District School Board Member Elizabeth Bradsher to explore options available for addressing some concerns about the school. One of those issues concern the wells serving Clifton Elementary and I have asked for County staff in Public Works and Fairfax Water to provide technical guidance with evaluating these aspects of a potential renovaltion including potential cost implications.
I know how much the school means to the community and appreciate hearing from you and knowing your thoughts.
Sincerely,
Sharon Bulova
________________________________
From: Thomas, Mark C.
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:48 PM
To: Bulova, Sharon S.
Subject: Clifton Elementary Response
Sharon:
Here is the message I drafted re: Clifton Elementary School, please let me know if any changes are required or if I ought to send it out. Additionally, should I Cc'ed Ms. Bradsher on the out-going messages? We have received three email so far, one opposed and two in favor of renovation.
Mark
________________________________
Dear (Constituent)
Thanks for contacting me to share your concerns about Clifton Elementary School.
For your information, I am working with Springfield District School Board Member Elizabeth Bradsher to explore the options available for addressing concerns about the school. I appreciate knowing your thoughts, thanks for taking the time to write.
Sincerely,
Sharon Bulova
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What exactly did Sharon Bulova do for the Clifton community?????
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Who is Sharon Bulova?
()
Date: January 12, 2011 06:19PM
So many people are on Liz Bradshers side. Why? I think this goes deeper and should be looked into. Why help Liz? What does she know? Why close Clifton?
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Is a SB spot in Nothern Virginia powerful? You think not. Hmmm...
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Is a SB spot in Nothern Virginia powerful? You think not. Hmmm...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bob's not perfect afterall
()
Date: January 12, 2011 06:22PM
From: aflagel@gmu.edu
To: James, Denise
Cc: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tue May 11 10:11:20 2010
Subject: RE: executive summary-Sub Group C b attachment
Denise - the report from bob is REALLY enflaming members of the committee - some want to scrap and redo their subcommittee reports to have specific recommendations to combat what they see as Bob's efforts to "shanghai" the process...so I'd prefer NOT to have the document accepted as a whole and to leave the concept of a minority report - I realize that's not the intent of a minority report, but otherwise I'm concerned that we're about to lose the tenuous buy-in we've been able to manage for this group. Bear in mind that Bob stormed out of the second to last meeting, and that his group split into two sub groups over an assertion that he declared himself as chair of his subcommittee...personally I think he's one of the brightest members of the larger committee, but he's also as much of a lightning rod as Charlie
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What? Bob stormed out of the meeting?
Can't be.
I thought he walked on water.
To: James, Denise
Cc: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tue May 11 10:11:20 2010
Subject: RE: executive summary-Sub Group C b attachment
Denise - the report from bob is REALLY enflaming members of the committee - some want to scrap and redo their subcommittee reports to have specific recommendations to combat what they see as Bob's efforts to "shanghai" the process...so I'd prefer NOT to have the document accepted as a whole and to leave the concept of a minority report - I realize that's not the intent of a minority report, but otherwise I'm concerned that we're about to lose the tenuous buy-in we've been able to manage for this group. Bear in mind that Bob stormed out of the second to last meeting, and that his group split into two sub groups over an assertion that he declared himself as chair of his subcommittee...personally I think he's one of the brightest members of the larger committee, but he's also as much of a lightning rod as Charlie
**********************************************************************
What? Bob stormed out of the meeting?
Can't be.
I thought he walked on water.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bob owns Bulova
()
Date: January 12, 2011 06:24PM
From: larsen family [mailto:larsenva@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 7:05 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: executive summary-Sub Group C b attachment-2nd attempt to keep the spirit of our charter
Good Morning,
Yesterday, I had a 25 min office call with Sharon Bulivo... It was a neat conversation. Her assistant asked for another copy of my group's pitch, which I just sent to him.
She had only heard the Clifton point of view from the community to date
thanks for sticking with what is right for the County.
Have a great weekend
vr bob l
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 7:05 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: executive summary-Sub Group C b attachment-2nd attempt to keep the spirit of our charter
Good Morning,
Yesterday, I had a 25 min office call with Sharon Bulivo... It was a neat conversation. Her assistant asked for another copy of my group's pitch, which I just sent to him.
She had only heard the Clifton point of view from the community to date
thanks for sticking with what is right for the County.
Have a great weekend
vr bob l
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Rules for Liz
()
Date: January 12, 2011 07:02PM
Liz Bradsher was the leader of this Hayfield Pyramid Solutions Group. Look how her group whined to the School Board because their kids had to travel long distances to Hayfield.
I guess now that it isn't her kid, she doesn't care how far the Clifton families have to drive.
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Article: Parents In Fairfax Renew Call For School; Shorter Commute Sought For Hayfield Students
Article from:The Washington Post Article date:September 21, 2000
A group of south Fairfax County parents renewed its push for a new high school for the community this week by taking the 12-mile journey children must travel every day through four high school attendance zones to get to Hayfield Secondary.
Organizers of the parents' caravan said they hoped it would help convince school officials of the need to build a new south county high school--and build it sooner than tentative plans call for.
The parents' organization, known as the Hayfield Pyramid Solutions Group, hopes to influence school officials as they develop the school system's new Capital Improvement Program (CIP) this fall. The CIP spells out the construction timetable for …
I guess now that it isn't her kid, she doesn't care how far the Clifton families have to drive.
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Article: Parents In Fairfax Renew Call For School; Shorter Commute Sought For Hayfield Students
Article from:The Washington Post Article date:September 21, 2000
A group of south Fairfax County parents renewed its push for a new high school for the community this week by taking the 12-mile journey children must travel every day through four high school attendance zones to get to Hayfield Secondary.
Organizers of the parents' caravan said they hoped it would help convince school officials of the need to build a new south county high school--and build it sooner than tentative plans call for.
The parents' organization, known as the Hayfield Pyramid Solutions Group, hopes to influence school officials as they develop the school system's new Capital Improvement Program (CIP) this fall. The CIP spells out the construction timetable for …
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bradsher cost us $50 million
()
Date: January 12, 2011 07:13PM
South County Boundaries: The Plan Is In
FCPS staff offers its final proposal, which receives mixed reaction from the community.
By By Glenn McCarty
Thursday, November 18, 2004
Parents from Newington Forest, Silverbrook and Halley elementary schools gave thanks a little early this November.
The boundaries for the new south county high school arrived on Monday, and while not to everyone’s liking, the final plan offered the first look at what the county school staff believes are the best boundaries.
The end result of Monday’s third and final boundary town meeting at Hayfield Secondary School is an attendance-area study that will be presented to the Fairfax County School Board in mid-December.
"We can’t accommodate everyone, so what we tried to do was to see the ways we could touch on as many of the points the community made as possible, and still keep the school under capacity," said Gary Chevalier, director of the Office of Facilities Planning Services for Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS).
The plan, a result of modifications made to three plans presented at a meeting on Nov. 3, is the school staff’s recommended choice. Now it will be presented to the Fairfax County School Board at its meeting on Dec. 16.
"I’m so pleased that Silverbrook, Halley and Newington Forest are in the plan. I believe that was what this school was built for — to be a community school for these schools," said Liz Bradsher, a Silverbrook parent and member of the Hayfield Pyramid Solutions Group, which assisted the county in procuring the public/private partnership that helped build the school ahead of schedule.
UNDER THE proposed boundary changes, all of Halley, Silverbrook and Newington Forest elementary schools would feed the new south county high school, to open with Grades 7-10, and possibly Grade 11, in September 2005. In addition, portions of Lorton Station Elementary School would also feed the new school. Currently, Silverbrook, Lorton Station and Halley are all in the Hayfield Secondary School Pyramid, while Newington Forest feeds both Hayfield and Lee High School. Hayfield is currently projected to be nearly 600 students over capacity next fall, without the presence of the new south county school.
Just as the county staff was preparing to present one plan to the public with its seal of approval, however, a group of communities from the south portion of the county offered up its own plan, and members were passing out copies of a map to those entering Hayfield on Monday.
"I don’t think they [the county staff] have been listening as well as we’ve been talking," said Linda Burke, a parent in the Saratoga Elementary School community. "It’s not about everybody getting what they want. It’s about the most people getting what they need. Our plan satisfies that."
The group, called Real Educational Alternatives (REAL), is composed of parents from the Gunston, Lorton Station and Saratoga communities. Group members developed a new plan, which they called "Study 2 Modified." The plan was an alternative to the final county staff plan, which some parents felt didn’t service the needs of the Gunston and Lorton Station Elementary communities.
"What mobilized the Gunston community was the realization after the last meeting that the busing conditions in Mason Neck weren’t going to get addressed," said Keith Salisbury, who lives in Mason Neck.
REAL's plan calls for Halley, Silverbrook and Lorton Station elementary schools to feed the new south county school in their entirety. In addition, portions of Newington Forest and Gunston would also feed the school. By moving Newington Forest to Lake Braddock Secondary School, the REAL members said they were able to move Saratoga Elementary into the Hayfield Pyramid.
"It just kind of gelled, because the communities around Saratoga united around a plan to get them all into Hayfield," said Salisbury. "And Lorton Station united around a plan to keep their community whole. And if you looked at what they [the county staff] were trying to achieve, and what we were willing to do in Gunston, all the numbers kind of fell into place."
REAL MEMBERS said they were hoping to convince School Board members and parents of the plan’s viability before the next round of public hearings, on Jan. 4 and 5.
"In the long run, the county’s put together a plan that doesn’t accommodate as much of the majority of schools as we have," said Salisbury.
Based on enrollment projections, the south county high school would open with an enrollment of 799 in Grades 7 and 8, and a high-school enrollment of 765 next fall. By the 2009-10 school year, when it would have Grades 7-12, the total enrollment would be just under 2,500 students. It is being used as a secondary school for the time being, until a new middle school can be built under the school system’s Capital Improvement Program (CIP).
"I think we got as many of the kids living as close to the new school as possible into the new school. We eliminated some of the split feeders, and we have a better balance in the demography than some of the earlier plans," said Chevalier. "I think it’s a good compromise."
Although proposed boundaries appear to be drawn for the near future, some parents raised concerns that the new south county high school might soon be facing an overcrowding situation similar to what is currently faced by students at Hayfield.
*******************************************************************************
"These communities are united and should go to this school. I support this scenario," said Bradsher. "But we didn’t build it to be a mega school. It’s a political process, and instead of doing what’s right for facilities, they did coalesce to the voices of communities."
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The community will next get the chance to voice opinions on the proposed boundary changes at a series of public hearings on Jan. 4 and 5 at 7 p.m. at Jackson Middle School. Following those meetings, the School Board will take action on the boundary issue at its Jan. 27 meeting.
Let's summarize the consequences of Bradsher's actions. During community her meeting, her group, which she led, arm twisted facilities department to let just about every kid into South County when it opened.
The result: It was overcrowded the day it opened, of course.
Hayfield, Lee and Lake Braddock were stripped of students to populate this school.
Fast forward to 2010.
Hayfield, Lee, Mt Vernon now have plenty of empty seats to accomodate this overflow.
Not good enough for Greedy Lizzie. SHE WANTS HER MONEY!!!
So, we are now building a $50 million middle school that we don't need.
But there is no money to fix the water problem at Clifton.
Now we know why. She took it for herself.
FCPS staff offers its final proposal, which receives mixed reaction from the community.
By By Glenn McCarty
Thursday, November 18, 2004
Parents from Newington Forest, Silverbrook and Halley elementary schools gave thanks a little early this November.
The boundaries for the new south county high school arrived on Monday, and while not to everyone’s liking, the final plan offered the first look at what the county school staff believes are the best boundaries.
The end result of Monday’s third and final boundary town meeting at Hayfield Secondary School is an attendance-area study that will be presented to the Fairfax County School Board in mid-December.
"We can’t accommodate everyone, so what we tried to do was to see the ways we could touch on as many of the points the community made as possible, and still keep the school under capacity," said Gary Chevalier, director of the Office of Facilities Planning Services for Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS).
The plan, a result of modifications made to three plans presented at a meeting on Nov. 3, is the school staff’s recommended choice. Now it will be presented to the Fairfax County School Board at its meeting on Dec. 16.
"I’m so pleased that Silverbrook, Halley and Newington Forest are in the plan. I believe that was what this school was built for — to be a community school for these schools," said Liz Bradsher, a Silverbrook parent and member of the Hayfield Pyramid Solutions Group, which assisted the county in procuring the public/private partnership that helped build the school ahead of schedule.
UNDER THE proposed boundary changes, all of Halley, Silverbrook and Newington Forest elementary schools would feed the new south county high school, to open with Grades 7-10, and possibly Grade 11, in September 2005. In addition, portions of Lorton Station Elementary School would also feed the new school. Currently, Silverbrook, Lorton Station and Halley are all in the Hayfield Secondary School Pyramid, while Newington Forest feeds both Hayfield and Lee High School. Hayfield is currently projected to be nearly 600 students over capacity next fall, without the presence of the new south county school.
Just as the county staff was preparing to present one plan to the public with its seal of approval, however, a group of communities from the south portion of the county offered up its own plan, and members were passing out copies of a map to those entering Hayfield on Monday.
"I don’t think they [the county staff] have been listening as well as we’ve been talking," said Linda Burke, a parent in the Saratoga Elementary School community. "It’s not about everybody getting what they want. It’s about the most people getting what they need. Our plan satisfies that."
The group, called Real Educational Alternatives (REAL), is composed of parents from the Gunston, Lorton Station and Saratoga communities. Group members developed a new plan, which they called "Study 2 Modified." The plan was an alternative to the final county staff plan, which some parents felt didn’t service the needs of the Gunston and Lorton Station Elementary communities.
"What mobilized the Gunston community was the realization after the last meeting that the busing conditions in Mason Neck weren’t going to get addressed," said Keith Salisbury, who lives in Mason Neck.
REAL's plan calls for Halley, Silverbrook and Lorton Station elementary schools to feed the new south county school in their entirety. In addition, portions of Newington Forest and Gunston would also feed the school. By moving Newington Forest to Lake Braddock Secondary School, the REAL members said they were able to move Saratoga Elementary into the Hayfield Pyramid.
"It just kind of gelled, because the communities around Saratoga united around a plan to get them all into Hayfield," said Salisbury. "And Lorton Station united around a plan to keep their community whole. And if you looked at what they [the county staff] were trying to achieve, and what we were willing to do in Gunston, all the numbers kind of fell into place."
REAL MEMBERS said they were hoping to convince School Board members and parents of the plan’s viability before the next round of public hearings, on Jan. 4 and 5.
"In the long run, the county’s put together a plan that doesn’t accommodate as much of the majority of schools as we have," said Salisbury.
Based on enrollment projections, the south county high school would open with an enrollment of 799 in Grades 7 and 8, and a high-school enrollment of 765 next fall. By the 2009-10 school year, when it would have Grades 7-12, the total enrollment would be just under 2,500 students. It is being used as a secondary school for the time being, until a new middle school can be built under the school system’s Capital Improvement Program (CIP).
"I think we got as many of the kids living as close to the new school as possible into the new school. We eliminated some of the split feeders, and we have a better balance in the demography than some of the earlier plans," said Chevalier. "I think it’s a good compromise."
Although proposed boundaries appear to be drawn for the near future, some parents raised concerns that the new south county high school might soon be facing an overcrowding situation similar to what is currently faced by students at Hayfield.
*******************************************************************************
"These communities are united and should go to this school. I support this scenario," said Bradsher. "But we didn’t build it to be a mega school. It’s a political process, and instead of doing what’s right for facilities, they did coalesce to the voices of communities."
********************************************************************************
The community will next get the chance to voice opinions on the proposed boundary changes at a series of public hearings on Jan. 4 and 5 at 7 p.m. at Jackson Middle School. Following those meetings, the School Board will take action on the boundary issue at its Jan. 27 meeting.
Let's summarize the consequences of Bradsher's actions. During community her meeting, her group, which she led, arm twisted facilities department to let just about every kid into South County when it opened.
The result: It was overcrowded the day it opened, of course.
Hayfield, Lee and Lake Braddock were stripped of students to populate this school.
Fast forward to 2010.
Hayfield, Lee, Mt Vernon now have plenty of empty seats to accomodate this overflow.
Not good enough for Greedy Lizzie. SHE WANTS HER MONEY!!!
So, we are now building a $50 million middle school that we don't need.
But there is no money to fix the water problem at Clifton.
Now we know why. She took it for herself.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
ringleader
()
Date: January 12, 2011 07:33PM
February 25, 2006
Visit 'FairBoundaries 2.0' Blog for The Latest Updates On A Potential
New School Boundary Study In Southern Fairfax County
In order to complete the most timely updates concerning a potential school boundary study within the next year or two in southern Fairfax County, we will be making future news updates on this issue on our sister blog site, FairBoundaries 2.0. This site will continue on as a repository of information related to the 2004-2005 South County Secondary School boundary study.
February 12, 2006
FCPS Board Set Considering Another Boundary Study Just ONE YEAR
After Initial South County Boundaries Were Set
In a meeting tomorrow -- Monday, February 13 -- the staff of the FCPS Facilities office is prepared to recommend to the Fairfax County School Board that they consider conducting another school boundary study involving the South County Secondary, Hayfield Secondary and Lake Braddock Secondary School attendance areas as early as the 2006-2007 school year, despite FCPS policy stating that boundary studies will not be conducted LESS than three years apart. At issue this time is overcrowding at South County Secondary -- a condition that was forecasted by many prior to the final approval of SCSS boundaries in January 2005, and which the Silverbrook/Halley/Newington Forest communities were prepared to live with at that time. One thing we can't help but wonder: why is overcrowding so unbearable and such a hot-button issue at South County Secondary, when Hayfield Secondary lived with that condition for well over a decade? Here's hoping this initiative does NOT go forward for several more years, but stay tuned to this Web site for further developments.
January 28, 2005
FCPS Board Sets South County Secondary School Boundaries
The FCPS Board at its January 27 meeting adopted the staff recommendation for the South County Secondary School boundaries with several amendments to the recommendation, most notably the reassignment of Mason Neck area students from Hayfield Secondary to the new school, and the reassignment of students in the South Hunt Valley Elementary boundary area to the new school. Detailed information is available on the FCPS South County Secondary information website, along with amendment explanations and maps.
December 9, 2004
OFFSIDES: Keeping School Boundaries Fair for All In South County Area
Three town hall meetings held to determine school boundaries for Fairfax County Public Schools’ (FCPS) new South County and Hayfield Secondary Schools are now history. At the first meeting, FCPS officials were urged to consider several issues when planning new or altered school boundaries: minimizing student commutes, avoiding school overcrowding, and maintaining a sense of community, among others.
FCPS presented three proposed boundary plans at the second town meeting. Of the three, projected school demographics and attendance areas in Studies One and Three clearly favored the communities surrounding Silverbrook, Halley and Newington Forest Elementary schools, while those in Study Two broadly favored the southeastern part of the county.
An additional alternative, Study Four, was presented at the final town meeting as the basis of a final boundary recommendation to the Fairfax County School Board. Not surprisingly, Study Four once again meets the desired demographic and attendance area criteria supported by affected communities in the new Lorton and Fairfax Station areas, but not as much for those communities left within Hayfield’s attendance area.
Student proximity to Hayfield has still not been fully considered in Study Four. The distance between proposed north/south boundaries for Hayfield is nearly 17 miles. By contrast, South County’s proposed boundary barely stretches 7 miles in any direction. If Hayfield’s north/south boundaries were decreased and its east/west boundaries expanded, the school could reduce its capacity considerably for the first time in 15 years. South County can initially absorb more than its planned capacity, as a new middle school building will be added to the secondary school site in several years.
Perhaps most importantly, Study Four doesn’t go far enough in balancing demographics. The new boundaries affect Lee and Edison High Schools, along with Hayfield. These three schools show increases in ESOL and Free and Reduced Lunch percentages in Study Four, and higher percentages than South County. Expanding Hayfield’s proposed east/west boundaries could create four high school populations that more fairly reflect the diversity in Fairfax County.
In the end, many town meeting attendees felt as if they were simply “going through the motions†of discussing school boundaries with representatives from FCPS and other communities, and that school planning officials had settled on a final plan weeks ago. Parents from communities in the Fairfax Station and north Lorton area (whose children attend potential South County elementary feeder schools such as Silverbrook, Halley and Newington Forest) have proven to be the most vocal and influential in the South County boundary deliberation process, and (to those who live outside those communities) appeared to have the ear of FPCS officials a majority of the time.
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Many parents from these particular communities were easily the most combative, arrogant and inflexible of any in attendance at the town meetings. Do not believe the ringleader of the "Hayfield Pyramid Solutions Group" (a true misnomer) when she says this is not about entitlement -- these folks believe that since they fought hardest for the school, that they should get to choose who goes there.
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Several other parent groups created an additional boundary plan for the final town meeting that many thought was worthy of serious consideration. However, FCPS officials made it clear at that meeting -- to the noisy cheers of Fairfax Station and north Lorton parents -- that Study Four, or a slightly modified version of it, would most likely go forward as the final plan recommendation to the School Board.
While parents from Fairfax Station and north Lorton communities are to be commended for their efforts in creating a unique business partnership to get the new high school built in southern Fairfax County, that does NOT give those individuals the exclusive right to cherry-pick elementary feeder schools, nor to create "designer demographics" for the new South County school. Neither should they apply such pressure to FCPS officials to do the same. The desires of the few do NOT outweigh the needs and requirements of the many in southern and eastern Fairfax County.
The Fairfax County School Board has a unique opportunity to favorably adjust capacity at several high schools under its jurisdiction and to create demographics at those schools that accurately reflect Northern Virginia’s diversity, for many southern Fairfax County families and not just a select few. Here’s hoping the Board takes advantage of that opportunity when it makes its final decision in January.
Mike Lambert
Marie Sudik
Alexandria, Virginia
Now, who was this so called "ringleader" he refers to????
Sounds like Liz was/is an elitist.
Visit 'FairBoundaries 2.0' Blog for The Latest Updates On A Potential
New School Boundary Study In Southern Fairfax County
In order to complete the most timely updates concerning a potential school boundary study within the next year or two in southern Fairfax County, we will be making future news updates on this issue on our sister blog site, FairBoundaries 2.0. This site will continue on as a repository of information related to the 2004-2005 South County Secondary School boundary study.
February 12, 2006
FCPS Board Set Considering Another Boundary Study Just ONE YEAR
After Initial South County Boundaries Were Set
In a meeting tomorrow -- Monday, February 13 -- the staff of the FCPS Facilities office is prepared to recommend to the Fairfax County School Board that they consider conducting another school boundary study involving the South County Secondary, Hayfield Secondary and Lake Braddock Secondary School attendance areas as early as the 2006-2007 school year, despite FCPS policy stating that boundary studies will not be conducted LESS than three years apart. At issue this time is overcrowding at South County Secondary -- a condition that was forecasted by many prior to the final approval of SCSS boundaries in January 2005, and which the Silverbrook/Halley/Newington Forest communities were prepared to live with at that time. One thing we can't help but wonder: why is overcrowding so unbearable and such a hot-button issue at South County Secondary, when Hayfield Secondary lived with that condition for well over a decade? Here's hoping this initiative does NOT go forward for several more years, but stay tuned to this Web site for further developments.
January 28, 2005
FCPS Board Sets South County Secondary School Boundaries
The FCPS Board at its January 27 meeting adopted the staff recommendation for the South County Secondary School boundaries with several amendments to the recommendation, most notably the reassignment of Mason Neck area students from Hayfield Secondary to the new school, and the reassignment of students in the South Hunt Valley Elementary boundary area to the new school. Detailed information is available on the FCPS South County Secondary information website, along with amendment explanations and maps.
December 9, 2004
OFFSIDES: Keeping School Boundaries Fair for All In South County Area
Three town hall meetings held to determine school boundaries for Fairfax County Public Schools’ (FCPS) new South County and Hayfield Secondary Schools are now history. At the first meeting, FCPS officials were urged to consider several issues when planning new or altered school boundaries: minimizing student commutes, avoiding school overcrowding, and maintaining a sense of community, among others.
FCPS presented three proposed boundary plans at the second town meeting. Of the three, projected school demographics and attendance areas in Studies One and Three clearly favored the communities surrounding Silverbrook, Halley and Newington Forest Elementary schools, while those in Study Two broadly favored the southeastern part of the county.
An additional alternative, Study Four, was presented at the final town meeting as the basis of a final boundary recommendation to the Fairfax County School Board. Not surprisingly, Study Four once again meets the desired demographic and attendance area criteria supported by affected communities in the new Lorton and Fairfax Station areas, but not as much for those communities left within Hayfield’s attendance area.
Student proximity to Hayfield has still not been fully considered in Study Four. The distance between proposed north/south boundaries for Hayfield is nearly 17 miles. By contrast, South County’s proposed boundary barely stretches 7 miles in any direction. If Hayfield’s north/south boundaries were decreased and its east/west boundaries expanded, the school could reduce its capacity considerably for the first time in 15 years. South County can initially absorb more than its planned capacity, as a new middle school building will be added to the secondary school site in several years.
Perhaps most importantly, Study Four doesn’t go far enough in balancing demographics. The new boundaries affect Lee and Edison High Schools, along with Hayfield. These three schools show increases in ESOL and Free and Reduced Lunch percentages in Study Four, and higher percentages than South County. Expanding Hayfield’s proposed east/west boundaries could create four high school populations that more fairly reflect the diversity in Fairfax County.
In the end, many town meeting attendees felt as if they were simply “going through the motions†of discussing school boundaries with representatives from FCPS and other communities, and that school planning officials had settled on a final plan weeks ago. Parents from communities in the Fairfax Station and north Lorton area (whose children attend potential South County elementary feeder schools such as Silverbrook, Halley and Newington Forest) have proven to be the most vocal and influential in the South County boundary deliberation process, and (to those who live outside those communities) appeared to have the ear of FPCS officials a majority of the time.
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Many parents from these particular communities were easily the most combative, arrogant and inflexible of any in attendance at the town meetings. Do not believe the ringleader of the "Hayfield Pyramid Solutions Group" (a true misnomer) when she says this is not about entitlement -- these folks believe that since they fought hardest for the school, that they should get to choose who goes there.
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Several other parent groups created an additional boundary plan for the final town meeting that many thought was worthy of serious consideration. However, FCPS officials made it clear at that meeting -- to the noisy cheers of Fairfax Station and north Lorton parents -- that Study Four, or a slightly modified version of it, would most likely go forward as the final plan recommendation to the School Board.
While parents from Fairfax Station and north Lorton communities are to be commended for their efforts in creating a unique business partnership to get the new high school built in southern Fairfax County, that does NOT give those individuals the exclusive right to cherry-pick elementary feeder schools, nor to create "designer demographics" for the new South County school. Neither should they apply such pressure to FCPS officials to do the same. The desires of the few do NOT outweigh the needs and requirements of the many in southern and eastern Fairfax County.
The Fairfax County School Board has a unique opportunity to favorably adjust capacity at several high schools under its jurisdiction and to create demographics at those schools that accurately reflect Northern Virginia’s diversity, for many southern Fairfax County families and not just a select few. Here’s hoping the Board takes advantage of that opportunity when it makes its final decision in January.
Mike Lambert
Marie Sudik
Alexandria, Virginia
Now, who was this so called "ringleader" he refers to????
Sounds like Liz was/is an elitist.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WSHS Parent
()
Date: January 12, 2011 07:45PM
WSHS parent Wrote:
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> West Springfield is Special wrote:
> >
> > TRANSLATION:
> >
> > Kevin-
> >
> > Please transfer all available CIP savings to
> > WSHS-but don't tell anyone.
> >
> > Toodles-
> >
> > Liz
>
> More twisted lies from a Clifton supporter.
>
> Liz, thanks for helping WsHs, we love you and will
> get out the vote for you.
>
> PLEASE be careful, these people are obviously nut
> cases and they have guns. We don't want to see a
> repeat of AZ here. :(
THAT was not from me, obviously a troll. I've spoken to no one who supports closing Clifton. In fact, most people in the WSHS pyramid are appalled at the actions and behavior of our SB rep. She'll have few votes here.
A bit of history: After we went through a contentious boundary study (what boudary study isn't contentious?) 5 years ago that woke the entire community, we found ourselves facing a rapidly deteriorating school. This was not new news but we had been pre-occupied with keeping our community whole. At the first community meeting Herrity and Bradsher spoke at legnth about public/private funding for the renovation of WSHS. WSHS was built 50 years ago and has NEVER had a complete renovaton. At that meeting the chair of SOAR intoduced himself. A little known dad who seemed only to want to do good for the community. None of us knew him, which was odd since we all knew the players after the boundary study. Liz welcomed the Chair of Soar with open arms. At that point one could hear a collective groan throughout the room. We knew what was happening. Soon after the SB paid an independent consultant $75,000 to study the need for renovation. Nothing but a ruse. The consultants found that WSHS should be placed at the very top of the renovaton queue. Soon after the SB changed the criteria for renovation and SOCO MS was moved up on the CIP, disregarding the fact that there were newly renovated seats at LBSS. WSHS was screwed and it cost the taxpayers that time, $75,000.
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> West Springfield is Special wrote:
> >
> > TRANSLATION:
> >
> > Kevin-
> >
> > Please transfer all available CIP savings to
> > WSHS-but don't tell anyone.
> >
> > Toodles-
> >
> > Liz
>
> More twisted lies from a Clifton supporter.
>
> Liz, thanks for helping WsHs, we love you and will
> get out the vote for you.
>
> PLEASE be careful, these people are obviously nut
> cases and they have guns. We don't want to see a
> repeat of AZ here. :(
THAT was not from me, obviously a troll. I've spoken to no one who supports closing Clifton. In fact, most people in the WSHS pyramid are appalled at the actions and behavior of our SB rep. She'll have few votes here.
A bit of history: After we went through a contentious boundary study (what boudary study isn't contentious?) 5 years ago that woke the entire community, we found ourselves facing a rapidly deteriorating school. This was not new news but we had been pre-occupied with keeping our community whole. At the first community meeting Herrity and Bradsher spoke at legnth about public/private funding for the renovation of WSHS. WSHS was built 50 years ago and has NEVER had a complete renovaton. At that meeting the chair of SOAR intoduced himself. A little known dad who seemed only to want to do good for the community. None of us knew him, which was odd since we all knew the players after the boundary study. Liz welcomed the Chair of Soar with open arms. At that point one could hear a collective groan throughout the room. We knew what was happening. Soon after the SB paid an independent consultant $75,000 to study the need for renovation. Nothing but a ruse. The consultants found that WSHS should be placed at the very top of the renovaton queue. Soon after the SB changed the criteria for renovation and SOCO MS was moved up on the CIP, disregarding the fact that there were newly renovated seats at LBSS. WSHS was screwed and it cost the taxpayers that time, $75,000.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Clear Vision
()
Date: January 12, 2011 07:47PM
AHHH! It all makes sense now!
See the newly discovered Liz Bradsher autobiography and role model below.
Attachments:
See the newly discovered Liz Bradsher autobiography and role model below.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dave Albo's website
()
Date: January 12, 2011 07:55PM
Dave Albo’s “Albo-Rust Public/Private School Construction Plan†helped build the South County Secondary School in 1/2 the time and at 2/3 the cost. Let’s use it to build South County Middle School!
On this page are my two favorite pictures of 2005. They are from the dedication ceremony of the South County Secondary School. The students presented myself and the other citizens who were instrumental in building our new school a “key†to the school! While the real heros of SCSS are Liz Bradsher, Lisa Adler, and countless other parents who spent countless hours advocating for the school, I am pleased to have done my part.
Our neighborhoods’ efforts to find $ to build our middle school is a gret example of citizens working to support their own community. But frankly, this is not how it is supposed to work. The School System has misplaced priorities and has failed to develop a capital improvements program (“CIP†) that is based on need. Currently, it seems to be based on politics. Had the CIP been based on need, SCMS construction and WSHS renovations would be first on the list, given that no middle school seats in our area have been constructed since LBSS 37 years ago and WSHS (opened in the late 60’s) has never had a structural renovation like Lake Braddock, Lee, and Hayfield. Especially troubling is that the Western school board representatives have successfully built 800 more MS seats than they need, are opening a new ES (Coppermine) with few kids to fill it and 200 empty seats around it, and have a new High School on the CIP with over 2000 empty high school seats out there.
"e. From such funds as are made available from appropriations from the School Construction Grants Program, any locality which has 2,000 or more personnel moving into the locality, pursuant to the 2005 Defense Base Realignment and Closure Commission's Closure and Realignment Recommendations List, shall first use these funds, which have been allocated specifically to that locality, to construct schools or address school facility needs due to the in-migration of the BRAC-related personnel, that will serve the areas within the locality which will receive the new personnel."
Explanation:
(This amendment is self-explanatory.)
George Barker amazingly got the Senate Conferees to agree to it. Congrats George - a major accomplishment.
According to House Approps staff, in the Governor's Introduced budget there was $27 Million for school construction grants. When it is run through the formulas, Fairfax gets $869,000 this fiscal year (July 2008-June 2009) and $871,000 next fiscal year (July 2009 - June 2010).
Thus, according to the law, this must be used to address BRAC impact. Therefore, in order to comply with the law, SCMS should be moved up the list for construction now in order to comply with the law. This is the right thing to do, because in a mere three years, there are 18,000 Army jobs moving to South County and up to 50,000 private contractor jobs to follow. Just the 18,000 Army jobs are estimated to bring 3,000 new students into the South County area schools.
Whew! Got it done. It's not enough money to build the school, but $1.74 Million gets us almost 5% of the way there. Most importantly, it will require moving SCMS up the CIP in order to comply with the law.
Authorized and Paid for by Dave Albo for Delegate
As you are aware, our South County neighborhood faces yet another school boundary review next year. This is due to the fact that South County is so packed, it has 26 trailers and two separate schedules. A boundary review is proposed to move neighborhoods into Hayfield and Lake Braddock,which is already full. Thus, putting many of us back where we were four years ago with our kids getting up before dawn and commuting long distances to school.
I have been working with a group of South County parents to use the Public/Private partnership concept I helped create in 2003 to build a South County Middle School ("SCMS"). SCMS would relieve SCSS of over 1,200 students and keep all of us in the South Count Boundary. In fact, some neighborhoods that were removed last year, may be able to petition back in, if that is their desire.
Additionally, this year, with the help of Senator George Barker, I was able to designate $1.7Million of state funds to the construction of SCMS. And your Supervisors have been doing a lot. Supervisor Hyland designated some excess County land to be used for a land swap. And Supervisor Herrity has negotiated a public/private construction plan with Clark Construction.
After years of work, we are very close!
Thanks,
Dave
CONNECTION NEWSPAPERS
Lorton’s New Land Deal
Proposal in the works to swap park and school land to pay for new middle school in Lorton.
By Amber Healy
Wednesday, April 09, 2008
A proposal is being submitted to the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors this week that may provide a plan — and funding — for a South County Middle School well before its scheduled construction on the county’s Capital Improvement Plan.
"The South County Middle School Solutions group has been working to come up with a plan that made sense, and I think we have it," said Supervisor Pat Herrity (R-Springfield).
The plan, submitted by a developer, involves a land swap, some residential development and construction of the middle school adjacent to South County Secondary School, providing the opportunity for shared athletic fields.
In the first phase of the land swap, the land currently set aside for the middle school would be sold to a developer, and about 100 houses would be built there. The money from that deal, estimated at $15-16 million, would go toward the middle school, which would be built on the land where a former Nike missile site, owned by the Fairfax County Park Authority, stands today.
The property is just north of the existing school, which would allow for the two schools to share a track and other fields.
In exchange for the Nike site, the Park Authority would receive a small parcel of land near the intersection of Furnace and Lorton Roads, currently owned by the Board of Supervisors.
If built, the school would have an entrance on Laurel Crest Lane, across from the Laurel Hill Golf Club, which would help ease traffic congestion on Silverbrook Road.
CAPACITY FOR the middle school would be about 1,250 students, slightly smaller than initial plans for the middle school but larger than the middle school capacity at South County Secondary.
On the property today are a few small, single-story buildings, which the Laurel Hill Golf Club used as storage facilities before it opened. Those buildings would most likely remain on the site, but their use has not yet been determined.
Use of that land may need Congressional approval, because it was part of the land swap approved by Congress when the Lorton Prison closed. U.S. Rep. Tom Davis (R-11) said that he has already started submitting requests to have that land opened up for development and a use other than the park land stipulated in the initial land deal in 2000.
Davis, who will leave office at the end of this year, said he wants to help however he can because it is the right thing to do, not because he wants any "legacy" projects.
"By doing a simple land swap, we will have development on the land currently designated for the middle school," said Herrity. "But, we’ll get the money we need to bridge the funding gap to build the middle school on a property adjacent to the existing school, which the School Board has said it wanted all along."
AT A MARCH 27 meeting of the Fairfax County School Board, Chief Operating Officer Dean Tistadt put the cost of a middle school at between $30 million and $40 million, if built today. If the land swap plan were approved, the $15 million from the development of new houses combined with a proposed $10 million from the Board of Supervisors would provide up to $25 million for construction of the school. Combined with $2 million set aside for planning and design of the school earlier this year, and $1.74 designated by Del. Dave Albo (R-42) and State Senator George Barker (D-39) during this year’s legislative session, the total adds up to $28.74 million.
A second land swap, which has not yet been finalized and involves the Fairfax County Park Authority and a local business, may provide an additional $10 million toward the school, which would cover construction costs.
It was another public private educational agreement, or PPEA, that provided the funding for South County Secondary School. But the deal that was originally submitted looked nothing like the plan that was eventually signed, said Fairfax County Executive Tony Griffin.
That plan took 18 months to complete, he said, and there was more land available to offer as possible locations for either a school or homes at that time.
"Plus, if you build houses in that area, that only exacerbates the overcrowding situation they’re already dealing with at South County," Griffin said.
He is sympathetic to their plight, which is why Griffin suggested the School Board ask the Board of Supervisors for $10 million over the next two fiscal years. Griffin had suggested the money be used to build a wing on South County to alleviate overcrowding, but many believe that may eliminate the chances of building a middle school in the future.
Once this plan is submitted, if county staff reviews it and feels there is a legitimate proposal here, there will be a 45-day window of opportunity for other developers to submit similar plans, Griffin said.
Herrity, along with members of the School Board, are optimistic about the proposal.
"Building a middle school is the only answer, nothing else," Herrity said. "It has been a priority for me and I feel if we can put our shoulders to the wheel, we can get this done."
SCHOOL BOARD Chairman Dan Storck (Mount Vernon) said the plan is up for discussion, but hopes it will be approved.
"There are lots of options available to the county and the South County community for what might be available for exchange," Storck said. "I think if we see a good opportunity for both the Park Authority and Fairfax County Public Schools to exchange land that provides us with a way to move the school forward and co-locate facilities, it’s one we should pursue."
Storck said he is optimistic about the plan, but the decision to pursue it is up to the Board of Supervisors.
At least two Supervisors support the plan, including Herrity and Supervisor Gerry Hyland (D-Mount Vernon), who has long said he will only accept a middle school as the solution to South County’s overcrowding.
"The proposal presents significant challenges, but it speaks for itself," Hyland said. "It requires a swap of land, a change is the land not designated for a middle school and to do something completely different, and to transfer it would provide a developer with an opportunity to build some residences."
Hyland said that while he cannot speak for the entire Board of Supervisors or School Board, he is hopeful the plan will be at least accepted for discussion.
School Board member Elizabeth "Liz" Bradsher (Springfield) said this plan may be more difficult to negotiate because less free land is available for other options, but she remains confident a middle school is the best answer, both for South County and the surrounding area.
"It’s definitely a plan that should be considered," she said. "The challenges are not insurmountable, but it depends on the amount of effort the county and the School Board want to put in to make it happen."
Tistadt, who has long said the South County area does not have the enrollment numbers now to support a middle school, said he supports the plan, so when the numbers are there, it will be easier to start building the school faster.
"I’m intrigued by the plan because if we can do it, it will allow us to share fields between the schools," Tistadt said. "If the Park Authority is willing to do it, I’m willing to do it."
However, Tistadt does not think the school needs to be built right away, and that a wing may still be the best way to ease overcrowding at South County in the immediate future.
"All these PPEAs have lots of people putting chips into play but us," he said. "It requires the Board of Supervisors and the Park Authority to make deals with benefits going to the School Board and that’s fine, if they’re willing to do that, God bless them and we’ll take it."
South County residents should take one sigh of relief about their current educational situation, however. In a memo sent to the School Board on Friday, Superintendent Dr. Jack Dale said he did not feel a boundary study should be conducted this fall.
"With or without funding for a wing, we don’t think a boundary study is the way to go because we’re nervous about the enrollment numbers at Lake Braddock," Tistadt said. "We’ve seen the numbers go up there this year and we’re expected to see another increase next year, which makes it increasingly unlikely we’ll do another study this fall."
Search Is On For Money To Build Middle School
By Michael Alison Chandler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 26, 2008; Page VA01
The Fairfax County School Board's decision last week to pursue construction of a middle school in Lorton rather than a less costly addition to ease crowding at South County Secondary School leaves open the question of how the new building will be funded.
The school system's construction plan does not include funding for a middle school in south county until 2017, and the district's chief operating officer, Dean Tistadt, had advised that an addition to the school would be sufficient. But the board's 8 to 4 vote early Friday morning reflected the view that the area needs a separate school much sooner.
"There are still many steps to go, but the most important one has been made: The School Board has committed to build the middle school by 2012," said board Chairman Daniel G. Storck, whose Mount Vernon district includes South County Secondary.
Circumventing the school system's priority list for funding is not unprecedented, but it is politically challenging in a 165,700-student school system with many competing needs.
Stuart D. Gibson (Hunter Mill), who voted against the middle school, said that school construction is a "zero-sum game." He said: "Every dollar that goes to a south county middle school is a dollar that will not go" to renovate or build another school.
The board is seeking a plan that would have the least effect on other schools. For example, the board's motion specifies that the new middle school, which Tistadt said could cost up to $50 million, cannot displace any projects already funded through voter-approved bonds.
The board's vote was a victory for many community activists and political officials in southern Fairfax who have lobbied for a middle school since 2005, when the secondary school opened near capacity. From then on, the school has only grown. The School Board moved some students out later, but enrollment for the 2007-08 school year was nearly 3,000 students in a building designed for 2,500.
The middle school project garnered attention from many public officials, including the county Board of Supervisors, which unanimously approved $10 million over two years in additional funding to construct a separate in southern Fairfax. The School Board also set aside $2 million this year for the middle school in its construction budget.
To build on that sum, school officials are considering a loan with deferred payments or private funding. One developer has submitted a proposal that would offset costs for the school in exchange for land to develop. Another proposal is forthcoming, school officials said.
The school system owns 35 acres near the secondary school that have been designated for a middle school. Some scenarios include swapping the property with the Fairfax County Park Authority, which owns land right next to South County Secondary. Such an exchange could lower the price tag of construction, because the schools could share athletic fields or other facilities.
The board's motion authorized planning officials next year to move up the middle school in the construction plan and to document which projects would be displaced or delayed as a result. The plan is reviewed on a regular basis to reflect changing needs.
Community members concerned about the condition of their schools will be following the process closely.
Linda MacKinnon, a Springfield mother of three, has been lobbying for renovations at West Springfield High School that many parents say are long overdue. She said that building a middle school in south county is "fiscally irresponsible" because crowding could have been addressed by drawing new boundaries, a premise echoed by some School Board members.
But many residents in southern Fairfax County maintain that the school system has responded far too slowly to the population boom that followed the closing of prison facilities in Lorton and development of the surrounding area. Staff projections repeatedly underestimated the number of new students in the region.
Storck said the staff's current projections failed to consider growth likely to result from plans to realign the region's military bases. Those plans could bring a wave of students to neighborhoods around Fort Belvoir.
Efforts to accelerate construction of the middle school are following a precedent set by South County Secondary, which was supposed to open later than it did. Community activists and some public officials recognized the demand for the school and secured private funding to help open it sooner.
Christine Morin, co-chairman of a group that has advocated for the middle school, said she was thrilled to see that the School Board understands that south county "is a growing and new community that needs a community school."
Victory!!! The Fairfax School Board votes to build our South County Middle School. Click here for a video of Dave Albo’s speech on the floor of the House of Delegates.
Good news e-mail from the President of South County Middle School, NOW!!!
Hello Everyone,
As we shared last week, the School Board voted 8-4 to build a South County Middle School to open by 2012 – no boundary study, no wing. The motion is at the end of this email. As Dr. Raney so eloquently stated, "there is a shared vision for the community and this school." Although we recognize that there is more work to do, we have several partners who helped us realize this goal. I encourage everyone to please take a moment and thank them for all their support.
First, our biggest advocates, our local School Board Members who have worked tirelessly, attended hundreds of meetings and have never been willing to give up. Chairman Dan Storck (daniel.storck@fcps.edu) has been a phenomenal leader for our community and last week his impassioned statements about our community history and the need for this school were poignant and outstanding.
Mrs. Liz Bradsher (Elizabeth.Bradsher@fcps.edu) has been an advocate for children for over a decade and she has been working for our community since day one on the School Board. She has proven herself a very effective leader on the Board and we’re so lucky to have her.
There are also six other School Board members who understand the need for this school and were willing to lead this effort and vote for a South County Middle School – Mr. Brad Center, Mrs. Tina Hone, Mrs. Kaye Kory, Mr. Ilryong Moon, Mr. Phil Niedzielski-Eichner, and Dr. Jim Raney (brad.center@fcps.edu, Martina.Hone@fcps.edu, Kaye.Kory@fcps.edu, ilryong.moon@fcps.edu, pneichner@fcps.edu, james.raney@fcps.edu).
Chairman Gerry Connolly (chairman@fairfaxcounty.gov) understood the need for this school and at our rally indicated, "The county as a whole needs to make this a priority by coming to the understanding that it is important to make this investment in the fastest growing area of the county, which also feels the great impacts of BRAC.†He listened to our community and led the Board to unanimously allocate $10 million to a middle school.
Supervisor Gerry Hyland (MtVernon@fairfaxcounty.gov) has been with us every step of the way and has been willing to look at creative ways to help get the middle school built. He has persevered and has truly listened to our community.
Supervisor Pat Herrity (Springfield@fairfaxcounty.gov) joined our cause last summer and has been a key proponent who has set up meetings with decision makers. He rolled up his sleeves from the very beginning and has worked hard to make this a reality.
Delegate Dave Albo (DelDAlbo@house.state.va.us) has been with us since day one and has provided us with leadership, guidance, and a sense of humor when we thought this was impossible. He was instrumental in working with Senator Barker to find state funding for the school.
Senator George Barker (senatorbarker@gmail.com) also joined our group last year and eagerly listened to the community and quickly understood the need for the school, and has been willing to assist in many ways. His bi-partisan effort with Delegate Albo was key.
And finally, Congressman Tom Davis (http://tomdavis.house.gov/davis_contents/center/feedback/),
who started this whole process and has been instrumental since the land transfer and has been a vocal leader for a stand alone middle school. Please read his strong letter of support to the School Board where he indicates “I stand ready to assist in any way possible to see the long-sought South County Middle School become a reality.â€
This is a very exciting time for our community and we are very fortunate to have so many effective and engaged leaders. Please take a moment and thank all our leaders for their tireless efforts.
Thank you - Christine
The following School Board motion passed 8-4 (Ms. Bradsher, Mr. Center, Ms. Hone, Mrs.
Kory, Mr. Moon, Mr. Niedzielski-Eichner, Mr. Raney, and Mr. Storck voted "aye"; Mr. Gibson,
Mrs. Smith, Mrs. Strauss, and Mrs. Wilson voted "nay"): that the School Board accept the
Fairfax County capital funding in the amount of $5 million in FY 2009 and $5 million in FY 2010 approved by the Board of Supervisors for the purpose of building a middle school in the South County area; further direct the Superintendent to immediately enter into discussions with
Fairfax County and the Fairfax County Park Authority for the purpose of exchanging the
existing County-designated “middle school property†for other County or Park Authority owned
property in order to take advantage of time sensitive Public-Private Education Facilities and
Infrastructure Act (PPEA) opportunities and/or acquire the existing “Nike Adaptive Reuse areaâ€
site adjacent to the existing South County Secondary School site as the new site for a middle
school; and further direct the Superintendent to work with the County to utilize these funds and
the previously approved $2 million and such other additional new funding that may become
available to leverage the additional funding or financing necessary to execute a contract for the
construction of a South County middle school to be completed before 2012 that does not
displace any other project currently funded for planning or construction by the Capital
Improvement Program; the construction of the middle school will not be financed through the
use of any funding mechanism that will require the use of School Board operating funds to pay
interest on anticipated bond funding; direct the Superintendent, when preparing the CIP for FY
2010-2014, to advance the construction of a south county middle school to no later than FY
2014, and report to the Board in a separate document or exhibit to the CIP which school
projects will be displaced or delayed as a result, and the expected change in the timing of
those projects.
OK...hats off to ANYONE who took the time to read all this.
Now the truth:
1. South County High School was built with taxpayer money. We sold taxpayer owned land and we issued an EDA Bond.
2. BRAC is a bunch of hooey. Email Don Carr with The Department of Army if you don't believe me. The ARMY (who knows a hell of a lot more that these idiots) is estimating MAYBE an increase of 100 kids to FCPS-at one point the number was 35. SOCO does not deserve a special bill passed to steal $1.7 million in state school construction funds nor did they deserve to STEAL the $3 million BRAC planning money in the 2007 bond referendum. THEY ARE LIARS AND THIEVES.
3. Poor planning (see post above) caused this school to be overcrowded on day one. The Whities in LORTON didn't want to go to Lee, Hayfield or Mt Vernon with the Blacks and Mexicans. PERIOD, EXCLAMATION POINT.
4. Even Tistadt, who is an idiot and a liar most of the time, said we didn't need this school. THE CAPACITY DEMAND DOES NOT EXIST.
5. So The BOS offers $10 million to build SOCO MS. Where is it? Someone show me where this money has ever been transferred to FCPS. The deal was that FCPS could have it if they needed it. Guess what? They never asked for it.
6. Of course, SOCO Middle School jumped ahead of other projects. Are you stupid? It is being built now with US DOLLARS BORROWED BY FAIRFAX COUNTY TAXPAYERS. READ THE 2009 BOND REFERENDUM. SEE $50 MILLION next to SOCO MS.
These politicians are all liars and every community waiting for renovation dollars is a SUCKER.
On this page are my two favorite pictures of 2005. They are from the dedication ceremony of the South County Secondary School. The students presented myself and the other citizens who were instrumental in building our new school a “key†to the school! While the real heros of SCSS are Liz Bradsher, Lisa Adler, and countless other parents who spent countless hours advocating for the school, I am pleased to have done my part.
Our neighborhoods’ efforts to find $ to build our middle school is a gret example of citizens working to support their own community. But frankly, this is not how it is supposed to work. The School System has misplaced priorities and has failed to develop a capital improvements program (“CIP†) that is based on need. Currently, it seems to be based on politics. Had the CIP been based on need, SCMS construction and WSHS renovations would be first on the list, given that no middle school seats in our area have been constructed since LBSS 37 years ago and WSHS (opened in the late 60’s) has never had a structural renovation like Lake Braddock, Lee, and Hayfield. Especially troubling is that the Western school board representatives have successfully built 800 more MS seats than they need, are opening a new ES (Coppermine) with few kids to fill it and 200 empty seats around it, and have a new High School on the CIP with over 2000 empty high school seats out there.
"e. From such funds as are made available from appropriations from the School Construction Grants Program, any locality which has 2,000 or more personnel moving into the locality, pursuant to the 2005 Defense Base Realignment and Closure Commission's Closure and Realignment Recommendations List, shall first use these funds, which have been allocated specifically to that locality, to construct schools or address school facility needs due to the in-migration of the BRAC-related personnel, that will serve the areas within the locality which will receive the new personnel."
Explanation:
(This amendment is self-explanatory.)
George Barker amazingly got the Senate Conferees to agree to it. Congrats George - a major accomplishment.
According to House Approps staff, in the Governor's Introduced budget there was $27 Million for school construction grants. When it is run through the formulas, Fairfax gets $869,000 this fiscal year (July 2008-June 2009) and $871,000 next fiscal year (July 2009 - June 2010).
Thus, according to the law, this must be used to address BRAC impact. Therefore, in order to comply with the law, SCMS should be moved up the list for construction now in order to comply with the law. This is the right thing to do, because in a mere three years, there are 18,000 Army jobs moving to South County and up to 50,000 private contractor jobs to follow. Just the 18,000 Army jobs are estimated to bring 3,000 new students into the South County area schools.
Whew! Got it done. It's not enough money to build the school, but $1.74 Million gets us almost 5% of the way there. Most importantly, it will require moving SCMS up the CIP in order to comply with the law.
Authorized and Paid for by Dave Albo for Delegate
As you are aware, our South County neighborhood faces yet another school boundary review next year. This is due to the fact that South County is so packed, it has 26 trailers and two separate schedules. A boundary review is proposed to move neighborhoods into Hayfield and Lake Braddock,which is already full. Thus, putting many of us back where we were four years ago with our kids getting up before dawn and commuting long distances to school.
I have been working with a group of South County parents to use the Public/Private partnership concept I helped create in 2003 to build a South County Middle School ("SCMS"). SCMS would relieve SCSS of over 1,200 students and keep all of us in the South Count Boundary. In fact, some neighborhoods that were removed last year, may be able to petition back in, if that is their desire.
Additionally, this year, with the help of Senator George Barker, I was able to designate $1.7Million of state funds to the construction of SCMS. And your Supervisors have been doing a lot. Supervisor Hyland designated some excess County land to be used for a land swap. And Supervisor Herrity has negotiated a public/private construction plan with Clark Construction.
After years of work, we are very close!
Thanks,
Dave
CONNECTION NEWSPAPERS
Lorton’s New Land Deal
Proposal in the works to swap park and school land to pay for new middle school in Lorton.
By Amber Healy
Wednesday, April 09, 2008
A proposal is being submitted to the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors this week that may provide a plan — and funding — for a South County Middle School well before its scheduled construction on the county’s Capital Improvement Plan.
"The South County Middle School Solutions group has been working to come up with a plan that made sense, and I think we have it," said Supervisor Pat Herrity (R-Springfield).
The plan, submitted by a developer, involves a land swap, some residential development and construction of the middle school adjacent to South County Secondary School, providing the opportunity for shared athletic fields.
In the first phase of the land swap, the land currently set aside for the middle school would be sold to a developer, and about 100 houses would be built there. The money from that deal, estimated at $15-16 million, would go toward the middle school, which would be built on the land where a former Nike missile site, owned by the Fairfax County Park Authority, stands today.
The property is just north of the existing school, which would allow for the two schools to share a track and other fields.
In exchange for the Nike site, the Park Authority would receive a small parcel of land near the intersection of Furnace and Lorton Roads, currently owned by the Board of Supervisors.
If built, the school would have an entrance on Laurel Crest Lane, across from the Laurel Hill Golf Club, which would help ease traffic congestion on Silverbrook Road.
CAPACITY FOR the middle school would be about 1,250 students, slightly smaller than initial plans for the middle school but larger than the middle school capacity at South County Secondary.
On the property today are a few small, single-story buildings, which the Laurel Hill Golf Club used as storage facilities before it opened. Those buildings would most likely remain on the site, but their use has not yet been determined.
Use of that land may need Congressional approval, because it was part of the land swap approved by Congress when the Lorton Prison closed. U.S. Rep. Tom Davis (R-11) said that he has already started submitting requests to have that land opened up for development and a use other than the park land stipulated in the initial land deal in 2000.
Davis, who will leave office at the end of this year, said he wants to help however he can because it is the right thing to do, not because he wants any "legacy" projects.
"By doing a simple land swap, we will have development on the land currently designated for the middle school," said Herrity. "But, we’ll get the money we need to bridge the funding gap to build the middle school on a property adjacent to the existing school, which the School Board has said it wanted all along."
AT A MARCH 27 meeting of the Fairfax County School Board, Chief Operating Officer Dean Tistadt put the cost of a middle school at between $30 million and $40 million, if built today. If the land swap plan were approved, the $15 million from the development of new houses combined with a proposed $10 million from the Board of Supervisors would provide up to $25 million for construction of the school. Combined with $2 million set aside for planning and design of the school earlier this year, and $1.74 designated by Del. Dave Albo (R-42) and State Senator George Barker (D-39) during this year’s legislative session, the total adds up to $28.74 million.
A second land swap, which has not yet been finalized and involves the Fairfax County Park Authority and a local business, may provide an additional $10 million toward the school, which would cover construction costs.
It was another public private educational agreement, or PPEA, that provided the funding for South County Secondary School. But the deal that was originally submitted looked nothing like the plan that was eventually signed, said Fairfax County Executive Tony Griffin.
That plan took 18 months to complete, he said, and there was more land available to offer as possible locations for either a school or homes at that time.
"Plus, if you build houses in that area, that only exacerbates the overcrowding situation they’re already dealing with at South County," Griffin said.
He is sympathetic to their plight, which is why Griffin suggested the School Board ask the Board of Supervisors for $10 million over the next two fiscal years. Griffin had suggested the money be used to build a wing on South County to alleviate overcrowding, but many believe that may eliminate the chances of building a middle school in the future.
Once this plan is submitted, if county staff reviews it and feels there is a legitimate proposal here, there will be a 45-day window of opportunity for other developers to submit similar plans, Griffin said.
Herrity, along with members of the School Board, are optimistic about the proposal.
"Building a middle school is the only answer, nothing else," Herrity said. "It has been a priority for me and I feel if we can put our shoulders to the wheel, we can get this done."
SCHOOL BOARD Chairman Dan Storck (Mount Vernon) said the plan is up for discussion, but hopes it will be approved.
"There are lots of options available to the county and the South County community for what might be available for exchange," Storck said. "I think if we see a good opportunity for both the Park Authority and Fairfax County Public Schools to exchange land that provides us with a way to move the school forward and co-locate facilities, it’s one we should pursue."
Storck said he is optimistic about the plan, but the decision to pursue it is up to the Board of Supervisors.
At least two Supervisors support the plan, including Herrity and Supervisor Gerry Hyland (D-Mount Vernon), who has long said he will only accept a middle school as the solution to South County’s overcrowding.
"The proposal presents significant challenges, but it speaks for itself," Hyland said. "It requires a swap of land, a change is the land not designated for a middle school and to do something completely different, and to transfer it would provide a developer with an opportunity to build some residences."
Hyland said that while he cannot speak for the entire Board of Supervisors or School Board, he is hopeful the plan will be at least accepted for discussion.
School Board member Elizabeth "Liz" Bradsher (Springfield) said this plan may be more difficult to negotiate because less free land is available for other options, but she remains confident a middle school is the best answer, both for South County and the surrounding area.
"It’s definitely a plan that should be considered," she said. "The challenges are not insurmountable, but it depends on the amount of effort the county and the School Board want to put in to make it happen."
Tistadt, who has long said the South County area does not have the enrollment numbers now to support a middle school, said he supports the plan, so when the numbers are there, it will be easier to start building the school faster.
"I’m intrigued by the plan because if we can do it, it will allow us to share fields between the schools," Tistadt said. "If the Park Authority is willing to do it, I’m willing to do it."
However, Tistadt does not think the school needs to be built right away, and that a wing may still be the best way to ease overcrowding at South County in the immediate future.
"All these PPEAs have lots of people putting chips into play but us," he said. "It requires the Board of Supervisors and the Park Authority to make deals with benefits going to the School Board and that’s fine, if they’re willing to do that, God bless them and we’ll take it."
South County residents should take one sigh of relief about their current educational situation, however. In a memo sent to the School Board on Friday, Superintendent Dr. Jack Dale said he did not feel a boundary study should be conducted this fall.
"With or without funding for a wing, we don’t think a boundary study is the way to go because we’re nervous about the enrollment numbers at Lake Braddock," Tistadt said. "We’ve seen the numbers go up there this year and we’re expected to see another increase next year, which makes it increasingly unlikely we’ll do another study this fall."
Search Is On For Money To Build Middle School
By Michael Alison Chandler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 26, 2008; Page VA01
The Fairfax County School Board's decision last week to pursue construction of a middle school in Lorton rather than a less costly addition to ease crowding at South County Secondary School leaves open the question of how the new building will be funded.
The school system's construction plan does not include funding for a middle school in south county until 2017, and the district's chief operating officer, Dean Tistadt, had advised that an addition to the school would be sufficient. But the board's 8 to 4 vote early Friday morning reflected the view that the area needs a separate school much sooner.
"There are still many steps to go, but the most important one has been made: The School Board has committed to build the middle school by 2012," said board Chairman Daniel G. Storck, whose Mount Vernon district includes South County Secondary.
Circumventing the school system's priority list for funding is not unprecedented, but it is politically challenging in a 165,700-student school system with many competing needs.
Stuart D. Gibson (Hunter Mill), who voted against the middle school, said that school construction is a "zero-sum game." He said: "Every dollar that goes to a south county middle school is a dollar that will not go" to renovate or build another school.
The board is seeking a plan that would have the least effect on other schools. For example, the board's motion specifies that the new middle school, which Tistadt said could cost up to $50 million, cannot displace any projects already funded through voter-approved bonds.
The board's vote was a victory for many community activists and political officials in southern Fairfax who have lobbied for a middle school since 2005, when the secondary school opened near capacity. From then on, the school has only grown. The School Board moved some students out later, but enrollment for the 2007-08 school year was nearly 3,000 students in a building designed for 2,500.
The middle school project garnered attention from many public officials, including the county Board of Supervisors, which unanimously approved $10 million over two years in additional funding to construct a separate in southern Fairfax. The School Board also set aside $2 million this year for the middle school in its construction budget.
To build on that sum, school officials are considering a loan with deferred payments or private funding. One developer has submitted a proposal that would offset costs for the school in exchange for land to develop. Another proposal is forthcoming, school officials said.
The school system owns 35 acres near the secondary school that have been designated for a middle school. Some scenarios include swapping the property with the Fairfax County Park Authority, which owns land right next to South County Secondary. Such an exchange could lower the price tag of construction, because the schools could share athletic fields or other facilities.
The board's motion authorized planning officials next year to move up the middle school in the construction plan and to document which projects would be displaced or delayed as a result. The plan is reviewed on a regular basis to reflect changing needs.
Community members concerned about the condition of their schools will be following the process closely.
Linda MacKinnon, a Springfield mother of three, has been lobbying for renovations at West Springfield High School that many parents say are long overdue. She said that building a middle school in south county is "fiscally irresponsible" because crowding could have been addressed by drawing new boundaries, a premise echoed by some School Board members.
But many residents in southern Fairfax County maintain that the school system has responded far too slowly to the population boom that followed the closing of prison facilities in Lorton and development of the surrounding area. Staff projections repeatedly underestimated the number of new students in the region.
Storck said the staff's current projections failed to consider growth likely to result from plans to realign the region's military bases. Those plans could bring a wave of students to neighborhoods around Fort Belvoir.
Efforts to accelerate construction of the middle school are following a precedent set by South County Secondary, which was supposed to open later than it did. Community activists and some public officials recognized the demand for the school and secured private funding to help open it sooner.
Christine Morin, co-chairman of a group that has advocated for the middle school, said she was thrilled to see that the School Board understands that south county "is a growing and new community that needs a community school."
Victory!!! The Fairfax School Board votes to build our South County Middle School. Click here for a video of Dave Albo’s speech on the floor of the House of Delegates.
Good news e-mail from the President of South County Middle School, NOW!!!
Hello Everyone,
As we shared last week, the School Board voted 8-4 to build a South County Middle School to open by 2012 – no boundary study, no wing. The motion is at the end of this email. As Dr. Raney so eloquently stated, "there is a shared vision for the community and this school." Although we recognize that there is more work to do, we have several partners who helped us realize this goal. I encourage everyone to please take a moment and thank them for all their support.
First, our biggest advocates, our local School Board Members who have worked tirelessly, attended hundreds of meetings and have never been willing to give up. Chairman Dan Storck (daniel.storck@fcps.edu) has been a phenomenal leader for our community and last week his impassioned statements about our community history and the need for this school were poignant and outstanding.
Mrs. Liz Bradsher (Elizabeth.Bradsher@fcps.edu) has been an advocate for children for over a decade and she has been working for our community since day one on the School Board. She has proven herself a very effective leader on the Board and we’re so lucky to have her.
There are also six other School Board members who understand the need for this school and were willing to lead this effort and vote for a South County Middle School – Mr. Brad Center, Mrs. Tina Hone, Mrs. Kaye Kory, Mr. Ilryong Moon, Mr. Phil Niedzielski-Eichner, and Dr. Jim Raney (brad.center@fcps.edu, Martina.Hone@fcps.edu, Kaye.Kory@fcps.edu, ilryong.moon@fcps.edu, pneichner@fcps.edu, james.raney@fcps.edu).
Chairman Gerry Connolly (chairman@fairfaxcounty.gov) understood the need for this school and at our rally indicated, "The county as a whole needs to make this a priority by coming to the understanding that it is important to make this investment in the fastest growing area of the county, which also feels the great impacts of BRAC.†He listened to our community and led the Board to unanimously allocate $10 million to a middle school.
Supervisor Gerry Hyland (MtVernon@fairfaxcounty.gov) has been with us every step of the way and has been willing to look at creative ways to help get the middle school built. He has persevered and has truly listened to our community.
Supervisor Pat Herrity (Springfield@fairfaxcounty.gov) joined our cause last summer and has been a key proponent who has set up meetings with decision makers. He rolled up his sleeves from the very beginning and has worked hard to make this a reality.
Delegate Dave Albo (DelDAlbo@house.state.va.us) has been with us since day one and has provided us with leadership, guidance, and a sense of humor when we thought this was impossible. He was instrumental in working with Senator Barker to find state funding for the school.
Senator George Barker (senatorbarker@gmail.com) also joined our group last year and eagerly listened to the community and quickly understood the need for the school, and has been willing to assist in many ways. His bi-partisan effort with Delegate Albo was key.
And finally, Congressman Tom Davis (http://tomdavis.house.gov/davis_contents/center/feedback/),
who started this whole process and has been instrumental since the land transfer and has been a vocal leader for a stand alone middle school. Please read his strong letter of support to the School Board where he indicates “I stand ready to assist in any way possible to see the long-sought South County Middle School become a reality.â€
This is a very exciting time for our community and we are very fortunate to have so many effective and engaged leaders. Please take a moment and thank all our leaders for their tireless efforts.
Thank you - Christine
The following School Board motion passed 8-4 (Ms. Bradsher, Mr. Center, Ms. Hone, Mrs.
Kory, Mr. Moon, Mr. Niedzielski-Eichner, Mr. Raney, and Mr. Storck voted "aye"; Mr. Gibson,
Mrs. Smith, Mrs. Strauss, and Mrs. Wilson voted "nay"): that the School Board accept the
Fairfax County capital funding in the amount of $5 million in FY 2009 and $5 million in FY 2010 approved by the Board of Supervisors for the purpose of building a middle school in the South County area; further direct the Superintendent to immediately enter into discussions with
Fairfax County and the Fairfax County Park Authority for the purpose of exchanging the
existing County-designated “middle school property†for other County or Park Authority owned
property in order to take advantage of time sensitive Public-Private Education Facilities and
Infrastructure Act (PPEA) opportunities and/or acquire the existing “Nike Adaptive Reuse areaâ€
site adjacent to the existing South County Secondary School site as the new site for a middle
school; and further direct the Superintendent to work with the County to utilize these funds and
the previously approved $2 million and such other additional new funding that may become
available to leverage the additional funding or financing necessary to execute a contract for the
construction of a South County middle school to be completed before 2012 that does not
displace any other project currently funded for planning or construction by the Capital
Improvement Program; the construction of the middle school will not be financed through the
use of any funding mechanism that will require the use of School Board operating funds to pay
interest on anticipated bond funding; direct the Superintendent, when preparing the CIP for FY
2010-2014, to advance the construction of a south county middle school to no later than FY
2014, and report to the Board in a separate document or exhibit to the CIP which school
projects will be displaced or delayed as a result, and the expected change in the timing of
those projects.
OK...hats off to ANYONE who took the time to read all this.
Now the truth:
1. South County High School was built with taxpayer money. We sold taxpayer owned land and we issued an EDA Bond.
2. BRAC is a bunch of hooey. Email Don Carr with The Department of Army if you don't believe me. The ARMY (who knows a hell of a lot more that these idiots) is estimating MAYBE an increase of 100 kids to FCPS-at one point the number was 35. SOCO does not deserve a special bill passed to steal $1.7 million in state school construction funds nor did they deserve to STEAL the $3 million BRAC planning money in the 2007 bond referendum. THEY ARE LIARS AND THIEVES.
3. Poor planning (see post above) caused this school to be overcrowded on day one. The Whities in LORTON didn't want to go to Lee, Hayfield or Mt Vernon with the Blacks and Mexicans. PERIOD, EXCLAMATION POINT.
4. Even Tistadt, who is an idiot and a liar most of the time, said we didn't need this school. THE CAPACITY DEMAND DOES NOT EXIST.
5. So The BOS offers $10 million to build SOCO MS. Where is it? Someone show me where this money has ever been transferred to FCPS. The deal was that FCPS could have it if they needed it. Guess what? They never asked for it.
6. Of course, SOCO Middle School jumped ahead of other projects. Are you stupid? It is being built now with US DOLLARS BORROWED BY FAIRFAX COUNTY TAXPAYERS. READ THE 2009 BOND REFERENDUM. SEE $50 MILLION next to SOCO MS.
These politicians are all liars and every community waiting for renovation dollars is a SUCKER.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
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Date: January 12, 2011 08:13PM
Hayfield Secondary School
7630 Telegraph Road
Alexandria, VA 22315
Office of the Principal
December 14, 2007
To: VHSL R&R Committee
Hayfield Secondary School is requesting a modification to the R&R plan sent to the November 19, 2007, VHSL R&R meeting. Hayfield is making the request to move to the National District for the 2009 – 2010 and 2010 – 2011 school years.
At the December 12, 2007, Northern Region Council meeting, several votes were taken regarding this proposed modification. The results of the votes were: The Patriot District voted unanimously to support Hayfield’s request for modification. The National District voted 4-3 against the modification, (Wakefield, Yorktown, Washington & Lee, and Falls Church against and Edison, Mt. Vernon, and Stuart in support). The Northern Region overwhelmingly supported the modification with a vote of 25 in favor, 4 opposed, and 1 abstention.
The rationale for the R&R modification to move Hayfield to the National District must start with the recent history. In 2004, the boundary studies done by Fairfax County Public Schools for the opening of the new South County High School estimated the net loss of students to Hayfield would be around 350 and indicated Hayfield would be picking up students from Lee High School and Edison High School. In reality, Hayfield lost over 1000 high school students, 40% of our population and close to 65% of our athletes. If Hayfield would have had accurate numbers, we would have requested a move to the National District during the last R&R cycle. For the last two years, we have been the second smallest school in FCPS. Our current enrollment of 1582 places us in the middle in terms of student population, for the National District. It is where we, and others, feel we belong.
As part of the United States Department of Defense BRAC (Base Realignment and Closure) recommendations, it was initially forecasted a large number of defense-related jobs would be moving to areas surrounding Hayfield Secondary School, thereby potentially increasing enrollment at the school. Over the past few months, these projections have been severely cut and new estimates are nowhere near the original calculation. It is now projected that Hayfield might grow in the range of 100 – 200 students over the next several years and then level off. Even with an optimistic increase of 200 students, our population still would place us in the middle of the National District in terms of school enrollment.
Hayfield knows that every school administrator needs to do what is right for their school, but we also have an obligation to see the big picture and do what is right for the region and do what is appropriate for students. Therefore, we are requesting that Hayfield be allowed to participate on what we believe to be a more level playing field.
In terms of finance, we feel Hayfield in the National District could help alleviate some of the financial burden of the National District to the Northern Region. With three Fairfax schools in close geographical proximity, we fully expect tournament revenues to increase.
With regards to travel, Hayfield usually scrimmages, or plays during the regular season, many of the Arlington schools. In reality, it is usually only once a season for most of the teams and for some teams, only once every other year. Our addition to the National District does not lengthen travel times for any National District school.
We feel that any other school in our situation would be make the same appeal and we feel strongly that what we are asking is in the best interest of the students. We ask for the utmost consideration of our modification to the R&R plan.
Sincerely,
William L. Oehrlein, Ph.D.
Principal
HAYFIELD was obliterated. Good job Brad Center!
7630 Telegraph Road
Alexandria, VA 22315
Office of the Principal
December 14, 2007
To: VHSL R&R Committee
Hayfield Secondary School is requesting a modification to the R&R plan sent to the November 19, 2007, VHSL R&R meeting. Hayfield is making the request to move to the National District for the 2009 – 2010 and 2010 – 2011 school years.
At the December 12, 2007, Northern Region Council meeting, several votes were taken regarding this proposed modification. The results of the votes were: The Patriot District voted unanimously to support Hayfield’s request for modification. The National District voted 4-3 against the modification, (Wakefield, Yorktown, Washington & Lee, and Falls Church against and Edison, Mt. Vernon, and Stuart in support). The Northern Region overwhelmingly supported the modification with a vote of 25 in favor, 4 opposed, and 1 abstention.
The rationale for the R&R modification to move Hayfield to the National District must start with the recent history. In 2004, the boundary studies done by Fairfax County Public Schools for the opening of the new South County High School estimated the net loss of students to Hayfield would be around 350 and indicated Hayfield would be picking up students from Lee High School and Edison High School. In reality, Hayfield lost over 1000 high school students, 40% of our population and close to 65% of our athletes. If Hayfield would have had accurate numbers, we would have requested a move to the National District during the last R&R cycle. For the last two years, we have been the second smallest school in FCPS. Our current enrollment of 1582 places us in the middle in terms of student population, for the National District. It is where we, and others, feel we belong.
As part of the United States Department of Defense BRAC (Base Realignment and Closure) recommendations, it was initially forecasted a large number of defense-related jobs would be moving to areas surrounding Hayfield Secondary School, thereby potentially increasing enrollment at the school. Over the past few months, these projections have been severely cut and new estimates are nowhere near the original calculation. It is now projected that Hayfield might grow in the range of 100 – 200 students over the next several years and then level off. Even with an optimistic increase of 200 students, our population still would place us in the middle of the National District in terms of school enrollment.
Hayfield knows that every school administrator needs to do what is right for their school, but we also have an obligation to see the big picture and do what is right for the region and do what is appropriate for students. Therefore, we are requesting that Hayfield be allowed to participate on what we believe to be a more level playing field.
In terms of finance, we feel Hayfield in the National District could help alleviate some of the financial burden of the National District to the Northern Region. With three Fairfax schools in close geographical proximity, we fully expect tournament revenues to increase.
With regards to travel, Hayfield usually scrimmages, or plays during the regular season, many of the Arlington schools. In reality, it is usually only once a season for most of the teams and for some teams, only once every other year. Our addition to the National District does not lengthen travel times for any National District school.
We feel that any other school in our situation would be make the same appeal and we feel strongly that what we are asking is in the best interest of the students. We ask for the utmost consideration of our modification to the R&R plan.
Sincerely,
William L. Oehrlein, Ph.D.
Principal
HAYFIELD was obliterated. Good job Brad Center!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Raising questions
()
Date: January 12, 2011 08:14PM
I just read the email exchanges between Bradsher and others, including her email to Paul Wardinski. I find it unconscionable that Bradsher would use the phrase "Sophie's Choice" to describe her decision of choosing between Clifton and WSHS. I hope Mr. Wardinski was offended as much as I am.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Wardinski, Paul A.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/4/2010 11:45:40 AM
Subject: FW: Clifton Elementary School
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Just some interesting reading. Such is my “Sophie’s Choice.â€
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Wardinski, Paul A.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/4/2010 11:45:40 AM
Subject: FW: Clifton Elementary School
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Just some interesting reading. Such is my “Sophie’s Choice.â€
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Non-SOCO
()
Date: January 12, 2011 09:32PM
I really hate being part of the same county as these slime-balls in South County (Bradsher, Albo, etc.). Could we let Prince William have them? Liz can bring the booze for the annexation party.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
not too early
()
Date: January 12, 2011 10:36PM
To Non-SOCO Hang in there....I can see 2011. Vote out Bradsher and her little team of supporters....Gibson, Wilson, and Smith. Unfortunately, they could do a lot more damage before their term is up.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
ShowUsTheMoney
()
Date: January 13, 2011 02:32AM
cha-ching
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Posted by:
Still Waitin'
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Date: January 13, 2011 02:51AM
Yup, still waitin' for that amendment, Lizzy B.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Politico
()
Date: January 13, 2011 06:27AM
As much as agree that most of the SB should be voted out I can asure everyone that if we don't do something more than complain on a blog Liz will be voted in again. Most voters pay little attention to SB matters and just vote party line or name recognition when it come to SB candidates. We must have an active campaign..and a decent candidate.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Have no Fear
()
Date: January 13, 2011 08:59AM
War chesta have been built and qualified and ethical folks are ready to take over this school district.
We will suffer no more.
We will suffer no more.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
tmill9
()
Date: January 13, 2011 01:47PM
It is very unlikely that Wardinski was offended by anything Bradsher or any of the FCPS Admin might say, since he is totally self absorbed, self promoting, and spinless.
Raising questions Wrote:
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> I just read the email exchanges between Bradsher
> and others, including her email to Paul Wardinski.
> I find it unconscionable that Bradsher would use
> the phrase "Sophie's Choice" to describe her
> decision of choosing between Clifton and WSHS. I
> hope Mr. Wardinski was offended as much as I am.
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> To: Wardinski, Paul A.
> CC:
> BCC:
> Sent: 6/4/2010 11:45:40 AM
> Subject: FW: Clifton Elementary School
>
> Attachments:
>
>
> Just some interesting reading. Such is my
> “Sophie’s Choice.â€
>
>
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Raising questions Wrote:
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> I just read the email exchanges between Bradsher
> and others, including her email to Paul Wardinski.
> I find it unconscionable that Bradsher would use
> the phrase "Sophie's Choice" to describe her
> decision of choosing between Clifton and WSHS. I
> hope Mr. Wardinski was offended as much as I am.
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> To: Wardinski, Paul A.
> CC:
> BCC:
> Sent: 6/4/2010 11:45:40 AM
> Subject: FW: Clifton Elementary School
>
> Attachments:
>
>
> Just some interesting reading. Such is my
> “Sophie’s Choice.â€
>
>
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
On another planet?
()
Date: January 13, 2011 02:10PM
"Sophie's Choice" had to do with a woman in a Nazi concentration camp who was forced by the Nazis to decide which of her children was to be sent to the gas chamber. The decision ended up tormenting her for the rest of her life. I hardly think Liz's decision was anything close to that. She is delusional.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Molly Corbin
()
Date: January 13, 2011 02:30PM
From another source about this issue, apparently Bradsher did not want to add "and members of the public" to the Superintendent & colleagues on Board as those they are supposed to not 'disparage' - see below, she apparently argued against it. So, she wants to be able to disparage members of the public? Yes, we know - the bedtime reading is only for those who enjoy the horror genre:
http://www.novacommonsense.com/2011/01/08/ncs-breaking-fairfax-county-school-board-being-sued-for-violating-virginia-law/
"Disparaged says:
January 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM
Apparently, the ‘sb’ [good point, Eugene27] discussed changing their Code of Conduct this week.
The phrase “and members of the public†was proposed as an addition to the Superintendent and peer ‘sb’members as the list of those whom the sb members should not “disparageâ€.
It is no shock that reportedly Bradsher was the ONLY ONE TO DISSENT and argue against the language. She supposedly inquired what is the “reasonable intrpretation of disparageâ€. With a wall of resistance from the rest of the sb, [including a zinger from Tina Hone “disparage is like obscenity; you know it when you see itâ€]it seems she was embarrassed into a half-hearted vote for the language change or face being further villified for an 11-1 vote to ‘disparage members of the public’.
Can you believe the absurdity?"
http://www.novacommonsense.com/2011/01/08/ncs-breaking-fairfax-county-school-board-being-sued-for-violating-virginia-law/
"Disparaged says:
January 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM
Apparently, the ‘sb’ [good point, Eugene27] discussed changing their Code of Conduct this week.
The phrase “and members of the public†was proposed as an addition to the Superintendent and peer ‘sb’members as the list of those whom the sb members should not “disparageâ€.
It is no shock that reportedly Bradsher was the ONLY ONE TO DISSENT and argue against the language. She supposedly inquired what is the “reasonable intrpretation of disparageâ€. With a wall of resistance from the rest of the sb, [including a zinger from Tina Hone “disparage is like obscenity; you know it when you see itâ€]it seems she was embarrassed into a half-hearted vote for the language change or face being further villified for an 11-1 vote to ‘disparage members of the public’.
Can you believe the absurdity?"
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
DrawsConclusions
()
Date: January 13, 2011 03:13PM
Kathy is the Chair, Liz's Region - both complicit with FCPS in this close Clifton and boundary study fiasco.
It's easy to 'draw conclusions'.
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Posted by:
Cool cartoon
()
Date: January 13, 2011 03:21PM
How do you do that?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
awesome drawing
()
Date: January 13, 2011 04:22PM
Now draw one of The Hindenburg with Bradsher as pilot and Smith, Tessie and Stu on board.
Throw in Albo and Frey as well.
Nobody in this travesty will be spared political.
It will be painfully obvious what the price is for aligning oneself with Liz.
Throw in Albo and Frey as well.
Nobody in this travesty will be spared political.
It will be painfully obvious what the price is for aligning oneself with Liz.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LRRfolk
()
Date: January 13, 2011 04:23PM
Lied - Lied - Lied
Counting votes on one hand - Lying on the other
BRADSHER is nothing more than a crooked politician.
Leave UMES alone! Give Clifton back their school - NOW. The vote has NO validity.
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Counting votes on one hand - Lying on the other
BRADSHER is nothing more than a crooked politician.
Leave UMES alone! Give Clifton back their school - NOW. The vote has NO validity.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SOCO butt in line
()
Date: January 13, 2011 04:29PM
The following School Board motion passed 8-4 (Ms. Bradsher, Mr. Center, Ms. Hone, Mrs.
Kory, Mr. Moon, Mr. Niedzielski-Eichner, Mr. Raney, and Mr. Storck voted "aye"; Mr. Gibson,
Mrs. Smith, Mrs. Strauss, and Mrs. Wilson voted "nay"): that the School Board accept the
Fairfax County capital funding in the amount of $5 million in FY 2009 and $5 million in FY 2010 approved by the Board of Supervisors for the purpose of building a middle school in the South County area; further direct the Superintendent to immediately enter into discussions with
Fairfax County and the Fairfax County Park Authority for the purpose of exchanging the
existing County-designated “middle school property†for other County or Park Authority owned
property in order to take advantage of time sensitive Public-Private Education Facilities and
Infrastructure Act (PPEA) opportunities and/or acquire the existing “Nike Adaptive Reuse areaâ€
site adjacent to the existing South County Secondary School site as the new site for a middle
school; and further direct the Superintendent to work with the County to utilize these funds and
the previously approved $2 million and such other additional new funding that may become
available to leverage the additional funding or financing necessary to execute
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a contract for the
construction of a South County middle school to be completed before 2012 that does not
displace any other project currently funded for planning or construction by the Capital
Improvement Program; the construction of the middle school will not be financed through the
use of any funding mechanism that will require the use of School Board operating funds to pay
interest on anticipated bond funding;
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direct the Superintendent, when preparing the CIP for FY
2010-2014, to advance the construction of a south county middle school to no later than FY
2014, and report to the Board in a separate document or exhibit to the CIP which school
projects will be displaced or delayed as a result, and the expected change in the timing of
those projects.
1. How does taking $20 million from the 2010-11 borrowing not displace other schools?
2. How does one borrow $20 million and not pay any interest on the money?
Kory, Mr. Moon, Mr. Niedzielski-Eichner, Mr. Raney, and Mr. Storck voted "aye"; Mr. Gibson,
Mrs. Smith, Mrs. Strauss, and Mrs. Wilson voted "nay"): that the School Board accept the
Fairfax County capital funding in the amount of $5 million in FY 2009 and $5 million in FY 2010 approved by the Board of Supervisors for the purpose of building a middle school in the South County area; further direct the Superintendent to immediately enter into discussions with
Fairfax County and the Fairfax County Park Authority for the purpose of exchanging the
existing County-designated “middle school property†for other County or Park Authority owned
property in order to take advantage of time sensitive Public-Private Education Facilities and
Infrastructure Act (PPEA) opportunities and/or acquire the existing “Nike Adaptive Reuse areaâ€
site adjacent to the existing South County Secondary School site as the new site for a middle
school; and further direct the Superintendent to work with the County to utilize these funds and
the previously approved $2 million and such other additional new funding that may become
available to leverage the additional funding or financing necessary to execute
*******************************************************************************
a contract for the
construction of a South County middle school to be completed before 2012 that does not
displace any other project currently funded for planning or construction by the Capital
Improvement Program; the construction of the middle school will not be financed through the
use of any funding mechanism that will require the use of School Board operating funds to pay
interest on anticipated bond funding;
********************************************************************************
direct the Superintendent, when preparing the CIP for FY
2010-2014, to advance the construction of a south county middle school to no later than FY
2014, and report to the Board in a separate document or exhibit to the CIP which school
projects will be displaced or delayed as a result, and the expected change in the timing of
those projects.
1. How does taking $20 million from the 2010-11 borrowing not displace other schools?
2. How does one borrow $20 million and not pay any interest on the money?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Animorpher
()
Date: January 13, 2011 05:42PM
Let me sum up:
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Posted by:
ha ha ha ha
()
Date: January 13, 2011 05:45PM
I love these cartoons! Keep em coming!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Kathy Smith the two facer
()
Date: January 13, 2011 06:03PM
Kathy said:
I got it and didn't even read before recycling - why in the world would he insert himself so strongly into the issue?. My take on this is that the only people who care/are upset are Clifton parents (they sound very entitled) and the rest of your constituency either doesn't give a damn or applauds the belt tightening.
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Belt tightening? What a fabulous idea!
Let's start with killing that stupid language immersion program you have been protecting all these years.
37 schools don't have all day kindergarten, but your schools learn Chinese in 3rd grade? Give me a break, lady!
You invented the word entitled with your continue defense of this program.
LETS KILL FLES immediately!
No more cow towing to entitled parents.
I got it and didn't even read before recycling - why in the world would he insert himself so strongly into the issue?. My take on this is that the only people who care/are upset are Clifton parents (they sound very entitled) and the rest of your constituency either doesn't give a damn or applauds the belt tightening.
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Belt tightening? What a fabulous idea!
Let's start with killing that stupid language immersion program you have been protecting all these years.
37 schools don't have all day kindergarten, but your schools learn Chinese in 3rd grade? Give me a break, lady!
You invented the word entitled with your continue defense of this program.
LETS KILL FLES immediately!
No more cow towing to entitled parents.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
reader
()
Date: January 13, 2011 06:17PM
I agree about FLES. I know that compared to other programs, it is peanuts, but the money would be better spent to add a classroom teacher to each school.
This is Kathy's pet project. I agree that it is "nice to have", but it is a luxury-not a necessity. Especially, when you consider that the classes already include students who speak English as a second language.
Their argument is that it is easier to learn a language when you are a child. I agree--but you are not going to learn it froma teacher who comes in 20 (?) minutes, twice a week. (Trust me, I speak from experience on this.) Not only that, but, say your school has Chinese. Chances are the middle school does not. The high school does not. IT MAKES NO SENSE to have this program when money is so tight.
When it was suggested that the SB cancel it, Obama had just come out and said how important it is that our kids learn other languages. I don't disagree with that, but they need to learn to read and write and do arithmetic first. Kathy is a huge Democrat and I think she brought Obama's comments up at the Board meeting. This program should be cut ASAP!
This is Kathy's pet project. I agree that it is "nice to have", but it is a luxury-not a necessity. Especially, when you consider that the classes already include students who speak English as a second language.
Their argument is that it is easier to learn a language when you are a child. I agree--but you are not going to learn it froma teacher who comes in 20 (?) minutes, twice a week. (Trust me, I speak from experience on this.) Not only that, but, say your school has Chinese. Chances are the middle school does not. The high school does not. IT MAKES NO SENSE to have this program when money is so tight.
When it was suggested that the SB cancel it, Obama had just come out and said how important it is that our kids learn other languages. I don't disagree with that, but they need to learn to read and write and do arithmetic first. Kathy is a huge Democrat and I think she brought Obama's comments up at the Board meeting. This program should be cut ASAP!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
transparency needed
()
Date: January 13, 2011 06:45PM
The SB is scared stiff of suggesting any cuts this year---notice? Heaven forbid that they get the electorate debating this stuff again. The electorate might notice how much is being spent to get those trailers and bus those kids out of Clifton. They might notice a few other things too. In fact, they might demand a full accounting of the system's expenditures (what the SB really ought to be doing, but won't do). They can't let the peasantry who pays taxes know what is going on.
When I lived in upstate NY, the school district was required to put out a mailing to every household which detailed the expenditures for the schools and how much the property mil rate would be. Then the electorate got to vote on the school budget. Believe me, the school board was much more accountable to the people that way. It wasn't ever voted down when I lived there---mainly because they had to show the results that we were getting for our money. They had great teachers and it was hard to get a teaching job there. They didn't want it to be voted down and have to go back and "redo" it. They were very picky about who they hired and they produced results that were very good.
When I lived in upstate NY, the school district was required to put out a mailing to every household which detailed the expenditures for the schools and how much the property mil rate would be. Then the electorate got to vote on the school budget. Believe me, the school board was much more accountable to the people that way. It wasn't ever voted down when I lived there---mainly because they had to show the results that we were getting for our money. They had great teachers and it was hard to get a teaching job there. They didn't want it to be voted down and have to go back and "redo" it. They were very picky about who they hired and they produced results that were very good.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
school game
()
Date: January 13, 2011 07:25PM
transparency needed Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The SB is scared stiff of suggesting any cuts this
> year---notice? Heaven forbid that they get the
> electorate debating this stuff again. The
> electorate might notice how much is being spent to
> get those trailers and bus those kids out of
> Clifton. They might notice a few other things
> too. In fact, they might demand a full accounting
> of the system's expenditures (what the SB really
> ought to be doing, but won't do). They can't let
> the peasantry who pays taxes know what is going
> on.
>
> When I lived in upstate NY, the school district
> was required to put out a mailing to every
> household which detailed the expenditures for the
> schools and how much the property mil rate would
> be. Then the electorate got to vote on the school
> budget. Believe me, the school board was much
> more accountable to the people that way. It
> wasn't ever voted down when I lived there---mainly
> because they had to show the results that we were
> getting for our money. They had great teachers
> and it was hard to get a teaching job there. They
> didn't want it to be voted down and have to go
> back and "redo" it. They were very picky about
> who they hired and they produced results that were
> very good.
I agree. Unfortunately, FCPS school board LOVES to play these ridiculous games with schools and students.
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> The SB is scared stiff of suggesting any cuts this
> year---notice? Heaven forbid that they get the
> electorate debating this stuff again. The
> electorate might notice how much is being spent to
> get those trailers and bus those kids out of
> Clifton. They might notice a few other things
> too. In fact, they might demand a full accounting
> of the system's expenditures (what the SB really
> ought to be doing, but won't do). They can't let
> the peasantry who pays taxes know what is going
> on.
>
> When I lived in upstate NY, the school district
> was required to put out a mailing to every
> household which detailed the expenditures for the
> schools and how much the property mil rate would
> be. Then the electorate got to vote on the school
> budget. Believe me, the school board was much
> more accountable to the people that way. It
> wasn't ever voted down when I lived there---mainly
> because they had to show the results that we were
> getting for our money. They had great teachers
> and it was hard to get a teaching job there. They
> didn't want it to be voted down and have to go
> back and "redo" it. They were very picky about
> who they hired and they produced results that were
> very good.
I agree. Unfortunately, FCPS school board LOVES to play these ridiculous games with schools and students.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
What SOAR really means-2
()
Date: January 13, 2011 10:19PM
What SOAR really means Wrote:
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> Just ask little greedy Erik Hawkins what SOAR
> actually stands for:
>
>
> S Screw
> O Others
> A Awaiting
> R Renovations
>
>
> Let's make a game out of this shall we......who
> can come up with a better one?
SOAR
S Scream!
O OH!
A Abolish Clifton!
R Renovate Us!
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> Just ask little greedy Erik Hawkins what SOAR
> actually stands for:
>
>
> S Screw
> O Others
> A Awaiting
> R Renovations
>
>
> Let's make a game out of this shall we......who
> can come up with a better one?
SOAR
S Scream!
O OH!
A Abolish Clifton!
R Renovate Us!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
BanLearningCottages
()
Date: January 13, 2011 11:17PM
transparency needed Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The SB is scared stiff of suggesting any cuts this
> year---notice? Heaven forbid that they get the
> electorate debating this stuff again. The
> electorate might notice how much is being spent to
> get those trailers and bus those kids out of
> Clifton. They might notice a few other things
> too. In fact, they might demand a full accounting
> of the system's expenditures (what the SB really
> ought to be doing, but won't do). They can't let
> the peasantry who pays taxes know what is going
> on.
>
> When I lived in upstate NY, the school district
> was required to put out a mailing to every
> household which detailed the expenditures for the
> schools and how much the property mil rate would
> be. Then the electorate got to vote on the school
> budget. Believe me, the school board was much
> more accountable to the people that way. It
> wasn't ever voted down when I lived there---mainly
> because they had to show the results that we were
> getting for our money. They had great teachers
> and it was hard to get a teaching job there. They
> didn't want it to be voted down and have to go
> back and "redo" it. They were very picky about
> who they hired and they produced results that were
> very good.
People are very concerned whether trailer kids mix with luxury home kids - whether townhouse kids receive the same treatment as single family kids - whether the value of their homes, whatever kind of home, will be affected by the largest boundary change we have ever seen in the county.
The fact that the FCPS SB bonds and
>>>spends Millions of taxpayer dollars to just MOVE trailers<<<
[enough with 'Learning Cottages' - that is political correctness to the extreme lunacy] should be beyond disgusted.
We are trailering kids and teachers. What is wrong with us? When will everyone say 'no' to FCPS and this idiocy?
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> The SB is scared stiff of suggesting any cuts this
> year---notice? Heaven forbid that they get the
> electorate debating this stuff again. The
> electorate might notice how much is being spent to
> get those trailers and bus those kids out of
> Clifton. They might notice a few other things
> too. In fact, they might demand a full accounting
> of the system's expenditures (what the SB really
> ought to be doing, but won't do). They can't let
> the peasantry who pays taxes know what is going
> on.
>
> When I lived in upstate NY, the school district
> was required to put out a mailing to every
> household which detailed the expenditures for the
> schools and how much the property mil rate would
> be. Then the electorate got to vote on the school
> budget. Believe me, the school board was much
> more accountable to the people that way. It
> wasn't ever voted down when I lived there---mainly
> because they had to show the results that we were
> getting for our money. They had great teachers
> and it was hard to get a teaching job there. They
> didn't want it to be voted down and have to go
> back and "redo" it. They were very picky about
> who they hired and they produced results that were
> very good.
People are very concerned whether trailer kids mix with luxury home kids - whether townhouse kids receive the same treatment as single family kids - whether the value of their homes, whatever kind of home, will be affected by the largest boundary change we have ever seen in the county.
The fact that the FCPS SB bonds and
>>>spends Millions of taxpayer dollars to just MOVE trailers<<<
[enough with 'Learning Cottages' - that is political correctness to the extreme lunacy] should be beyond disgusted.
We are trailering kids and teachers. What is wrong with us? When will everyone say 'no' to FCPS and this idiocy?
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Posted by:
lim
()
Date: January 13, 2011 11:57PM
That Bob Larsen character from the first page of emails between him and that beautiful Liz Bradsher
http://www.robrobertory.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-robertory/4/921/a81
http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Rob+Robertory
Seems like he is very much into the life insurance game of scamming the ignorant `wealthy'
Just how far does the rabbit hole go?
http://www.robrobertory.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-robertory/4/921/a81
http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Rob+Robertory
Seems like he is very much into the life insurance game of scamming the ignorant `wealthy'
Just how far does the rabbit hole go?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bedtime for Bradsher
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Date: January 14, 2011 12:28AM
From Liz's "What I'm reading" list of books on her nightstand:
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Posted by:
herewegoagain
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Date: January 14, 2011 12:54PM
Well, well, well......looks like WSHS and Erik Hawkins played right into Liz's hands, or maybe I should say Liz had them 'eating out of her hands, just like Clifton'. What happened to WSHS getting 2011 Liz? Hmmmm?
More collusion to get what she wanted - Clifton closed. SOAR was a convenient group for Liz to use for her advantage. I actually feel sorry for WSHS. Just another victim of Liz Bradsher's deception. She is a disgrace.
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More collusion to get what she wanted - Clifton closed. SOAR was a convenient group for Liz to use for her advantage. I actually feel sorry for WSHS. Just another victim of Liz Bradsher's deception. She is a disgrace.
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Posted by:
disallusionment
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Date: January 14, 2011 01:59PM
I wouldn't count WSHS out from getting renovation money yet, Bradsher hasn't finished her game, and it hasn't been voted on. Don't you remember, the SB can do what it wants?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Huntin'Wabbits
()
Date: January 14, 2011 02:16PM
lim Wrote:
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> That Bob Larsen character from the first page of
> emails between him and that beautiful Liz
> Bradsher
>
> http://www.robrobertory.com/
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-robertory/4/921/a8
> 1
> http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&;
> ie=UTF-8&q=Rob+Robertory
>
> Seems like he is very much into the life insurance
> game of scamming the ignorant `wealthy'
>
> Just how far does the rabbit hole go?
Sadly, pretty far - so, how unethical was it for this guy to sell out a client's plea for help and instead turn on Clifton with Bradsher?
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> That Bob Larsen character from the first page of
> emails between him and that beautiful Liz
> Bradsher
>
> http://www.robrobertory.com/
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-robertory/4/921/a8
> 1
> http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&;
> ie=UTF-8&q=Rob+Robertory
>
> Seems like he is very much into the life insurance
> game of scamming the ignorant `wealthy'
>
> Just how far does the rabbit hole go?
Sadly, pretty far - so, how unethical was it for this guy to sell out a client's plea for help and instead turn on Clifton with Bradsher?
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Posted by:
titanic deck chairs
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Date: January 14, 2011 02:59PM
Let me summarize:
For months now, the Clifton community has been told by numerous board members that money is tight and they just don't have it to renovate their school, right?
Hasn't that been the party line?
Now, we have a meeting scheduled to vote on advancing 10 projects due to a drop in construction prices.
Construction prices dropped 2 1/2 years ago!
We are now just figuring this out and need to vote on it.
Good god, how stupid are these people?
These 10 schools were scheduled to be renovated in fiscal years 2013-15 and are pushed up now.
It will cost nearly $210 million to renovate these 10 schools.
Is this money coming from the "savings" from Clifton.
This School Board is rolling the dice that they can spend money that the taxpayer hasn't even approved yet.
Pretty cocky of them.
Don't count on that bond approval from the Clifton group. Wait till they spread the word how you mismanage the CIP money and lie to the public.
For months now, the Clifton community has been told by numerous board members that money is tight and they just don't have it to renovate their school, right?
Hasn't that been the party line?
Now, we have a meeting scheduled to vote on advancing 10 projects due to a drop in construction prices.
Construction prices dropped 2 1/2 years ago!
We are now just figuring this out and need to vote on it.
Good god, how stupid are these people?
These 10 schools were scheduled to be renovated in fiscal years 2013-15 and are pushed up now.
It will cost nearly $210 million to renovate these 10 schools.
Is this money coming from the "savings" from Clifton.
This School Board is rolling the dice that they can spend money that the taxpayer hasn't even approved yet.
Pretty cocky of them.
Don't count on that bond approval from the Clifton group. Wait till they spread the word how you mismanage the CIP money and lie to the public.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FULL PAGE AD IN POST
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Date: January 14, 2011 03:11PM
Amen-
I think a FULL PAGE AD in The POST only runs about $10,000.
Clifton should pass the collection plate and run the ad on the Sunday before election day.
HEADLINE: DON'T APPROVE ANY MORE BOND MONEY FOR FCPS!
How fun would that be?
I'll throw in $1000.
I think a FULL PAGE AD in The POST only runs about $10,000.
Clifton should pass the collection plate and run the ad on the Sunday before election day.
HEADLINE: DON'T APPROVE ANY MORE BOND MONEY FOR FCPS!
How fun would that be?
I'll throw in $1000.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
interesting reading
()
Date: January 14, 2011 03:40PM
from agenda for Jan 20 SB meeting.
Movement of trailers is expected to be in excess of 250,000. How much in excess?????Note that it has never before exceeded 250,000.
Staff Contact: Dean A. Tistadt, chief operating officer, Facilities and Transportation Services
Meeting Category: January 20, 2011 - Regular Meeting, No. 12
Subject: Award of Contract – Annual Contract Relocation of Trailers Disassembling, Transporting and Assembling of Temporary Buildings (Trailers)
School Board Action Required: Decision
Related To: School Board Policy 5011, Authority to Contract
Key Points:
Funding for these projects will be provided from either operating funds or bond funds depending on the type of work performed (assembling, moving, and disassembling).
FCPS has a need to have contractors move and set up trailers due to enrollment changes or renovation projects. On November 17, 2010, IFB11-020 opened for the Annual Contract for the Relocation of Trailers—Dissembling, Transporting, and Assembling of Temporary Buildings (Trailers).
In previous years, contracts were awarded to multiple contractors, but the dollar value of the contract never exceeded $250,000. However, due to enrollment changes, as well as the acceleration of capital projects, the contract value may exceed $250,000.
To handle the volume of assembling, moving, and disassembling trailers, it is in the best interest of FCPS to engage multiple contractors as opposed to awarding a contract to one bidder. In addition, awarding to multiple contractors provides FCPS the opportunity to take advantage of the lowest price in each relocation category: assembling, moving, and disassembling.
The contract period is date of award through December 31, 2011, with two (2) renewal options.
Contractor
Requirement
Shenandoah Utility Services, Inc.,
Disassemble
Transport
Assemble
Serendipity Landscaping
Disassemble
Assemble
IDI Company
Disassemble
Assemble
T. L. Walker Contracting & Electric, LLC
Disassemble
Assemble
Recommendation:
That the School Board authorize staff to award multiple contracts for the Relocation of Trailers--Disassembling, Transporting and Assembling of Temporary Buildings (Trailers), and to authorize the Division Superintendent, or his designee, to execute the contract on behalf of the School Board
Movement of trailers is expected to be in excess of 250,000. How much in excess?????Note that it has never before exceeded 250,000.
Staff Contact: Dean A. Tistadt, chief operating officer, Facilities and Transportation Services
Meeting Category: January 20, 2011 - Regular Meeting, No. 12
Subject: Award of Contract – Annual Contract Relocation of Trailers Disassembling, Transporting and Assembling of Temporary Buildings (Trailers)
School Board Action Required: Decision
Related To: School Board Policy 5011, Authority to Contract
Key Points:
Funding for these projects will be provided from either operating funds or bond funds depending on the type of work performed (assembling, moving, and disassembling).
FCPS has a need to have contractors move and set up trailers due to enrollment changes or renovation projects. On November 17, 2010, IFB11-020 opened for the Annual Contract for the Relocation of Trailers—Dissembling, Transporting, and Assembling of Temporary Buildings (Trailers).
In previous years, contracts were awarded to multiple contractors, but the dollar value of the contract never exceeded $250,000. However, due to enrollment changes, as well as the acceleration of capital projects, the contract value may exceed $250,000.
To handle the volume of assembling, moving, and disassembling trailers, it is in the best interest of FCPS to engage multiple contractors as opposed to awarding a contract to one bidder. In addition, awarding to multiple contractors provides FCPS the opportunity to take advantage of the lowest price in each relocation category: assembling, moving, and disassembling.
The contract period is date of award through December 31, 2011, with two (2) renewal options.
Contractor
Requirement
Shenandoah Utility Services, Inc.,
Disassemble
Transport
Assemble
Serendipity Landscaping
Disassemble
Assemble
IDI Company
Disassemble
Assemble
T. L. Walker Contracting & Electric, LLC
Disassemble
Assemble
Recommendation:
That the School Board authorize staff to award multiple contracts for the Relocation of Trailers--Disassembling, Transporting and Assembling of Temporary Buildings (Trailers), and to authorize the Division Superintendent, or his designee, to execute the contract on behalf of the School Board
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
try $10,000,000
()
Date: January 14, 2011 03:52PM
$250,000 is chump change.
They spent $10,000,000 on trailer RELOCATIONS last year.
REPEAT:
TRAILER RELOCATIONS.
Not purchases, just moving them from school A to school B.
It's called POOR PLANNING.
100 kids just don't show up on September 1st. The trend is usually gradual. FCPS actually brags that they are within 99% of accuracy in projecting enrollments.
Why then are we spending a king's ransom on moving these god awful things from point A to point B?
Does anyone know what the bleepity bleep is going on??
They spent $10,000,000 on trailer RELOCATIONS last year.
REPEAT:
TRAILER RELOCATIONS.
Not purchases, just moving them from school A to school B.
It's called POOR PLANNING.
100 kids just don't show up on September 1st. The trend is usually gradual. FCPS actually brags that they are within 99% of accuracy in projecting enrollments.
Why then are we spending a king's ransom on moving these god awful things from point A to point B?
Does anyone know what the bleepity bleep is going on??
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
contractors?
()
Date: January 14, 2011 03:56PM
Do school board members own contracting companies?
$10,000,000! REally???? Where is that documented? There is seriously something wrong here. Maybe that's the thread with the answers.......
$10,000,000! REally???? Where is that documented? There is seriously something wrong here. Maybe that's the thread with the answers.......
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
reader
()
Date: January 14, 2011 05:15PM
Does anyone besides the school board audit or verify this work? Someone needs to do a "walk through" on this.....
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Document Jockey
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Date: January 14, 2011 06:04PM
contractors? Wrote:
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> Do school board members own contracting
> companies?
>
> $10,000,000! REally???? Where is that documented?
> There is seriously something wrong here. Maybe
> that's the thread with the answers.......
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> Do school board members own contracting
> companies?
>
> $10,000,000! REally???? Where is that documented?
> There is seriously something wrong here. Maybe
> that's the thread with the answers.......
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Posted by:
DrawsConclusions
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Date: January 15, 2011 12:53AM
"What, us provide information? Surely, you can't be serious?!"
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Posted by:
hopeful
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Date: January 16, 2011 06:02PM
hopefully the judge will agree on Tuesday, and side with clifton parents
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FROM ANOTHER THREAD
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Date: January 16, 2011 06:12PM
Construction
Budget $ 575.2 $ 163.1 $ (412.2)
Positions 87.3 87.3
FCPS has 87.5 people employed in construction!!!!No wonder Tisdadt wants to keep schools moving.....he'd have to fire most of his staff!!
Budget $ 575.2 $ 163.1 $ (412.2)
Positions 87.3 87.3
FCPS has 87.5 people employed in construction!!!!No wonder Tisdadt wants to keep schools moving.....he'd have to fire most of his staff!!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Schtinkola
()
Date: January 16, 2011 06:45PM
Drawing conclusions:
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Posted by:
Keep em coming cartoon man
()
Date: January 16, 2011 07:28PM
Everyone in Clifton loves your work. BTW: We are just like you! We only want the best for ALL the kids in Fairfax, not just our own.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Driven to the Edge?
()
Date: January 17, 2011 02:22AM
Ah - if only.
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Posted by:
Sickened
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Date: January 17, 2011 03:01AM
How is your money working for you? Want mine back - you?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
black hole
()
Date: January 17, 2011 08:55AM
This information on the SW boundary being put up in an obscure place on the FCPS website is interesting. Is that how they say that they "inform" the public?
The lawsuit against them right now (Clifton) basically has to do with not making information public. At the very least, the judge needs to make them have new guidelines on this type of thing. In the case of the SW boundary study, the SB should be required to send out mailings to every household affected. The mailings should be required to state the options and/or choices to be voted on and the places/times of the public meetings. The public is not aware because the SB does not do its job of informing them. It is incumbent upon the FCPS that they do their utmost to inform the taxpayers.
The lawsuit against them right now (Clifton) basically has to do with not making information public. At the very least, the judge needs to make them have new guidelines on this type of thing. In the case of the SW boundary study, the SB should be required to send out mailings to every household affected. The mailings should be required to state the options and/or choices to be voted on and the places/times of the public meetings. The public is not aware because the SB does not do its job of informing them. It is incumbent upon the FCPS that they do their utmost to inform the taxpayers.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Legal Eagle
()
Date: January 17, 2011 04:01PM
Does anyone have the FCPS reply to the FOIA lawsuit by the Clifton parents?
The local judges hate these cases as they just don't want to get involved in local politics.
The FOIA lawsuit, however, is all about process, not the end result. The judge could rule in favor of the plaintiff and the remedy would just be that FCPS needs to release some more e-mails and schedule another meeting to close Clifton with all the Blackberries turned off.
The local judges hate these cases as they just don't want to get involved in local politics.
The FOIA lawsuit, however, is all about process, not the end result. The judge could rule in favor of the plaintiff and the remedy would just be that FCPS needs to release some more e-mails and schedule another meeting to close Clifton with all the Blackberries turned off.
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Posted by:
Document Jockey
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Date: January 17, 2011 05:29PM
MORE TO COME
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Posted by:
Document Jockey
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Date: January 17, 2011 05:39PM
Link for their case
See attached Press Release and Click for: Lawsuit (Verified Petition for Writ of Mandamus)
MORE TO COME
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See attached Press Release and Click for: Lawsuit (Verified Petition for Writ of Mandamus)
MORE TO COME
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Posted by:
Document Jockey
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Date: January 17, 2011 05:40PM
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Document Jockey
()
Date: January 17, 2011 05:44PM
FCPS' case
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Posted by:
FFX taxpayer
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Date: January 17, 2011 06:44PM
Legal Eagle Wrote:
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>
> The local judges hate these cases as they just
> don't want to get involved in local politics.
Many of us Fairfax taxpayers also hate them, especially since they're frivolous and will cost us more in taxes.
There are large groups of us silently hoping your kids are split into 33 different elementary schools for all the trouble and complaining that you've done.
And no, I'm not Liz, or a big fan of the FCPS Board, but dislike this BS even more than them.
Please feel free to continue on here, with your mindless drivel of disjointed emails that make little sense.
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>
> The local judges hate these cases as they just
> don't want to get involved in local politics.
Many of us Fairfax taxpayers also hate them, especially since they're frivolous and will cost us more in taxes.
There are large groups of us silently hoping your kids are split into 33 different elementary schools for all the trouble and complaining that you've done.
And no, I'm not Liz, or a big fan of the FCPS Board, but dislike this BS even more than them.
Please feel free to continue on here, with your mindless drivel of disjointed emails that make little sense.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TEA
()
Date: January 17, 2011 07:03PM
and splitting their kids to "33" different schools lowers your taxes, saves you money or is the right thing to do how?
even if you are feeling vindictive because any one group claims wrongdoing by a government body, how does a vast dispersal of children meet your hateful need for vindication?
your logic fails. but if your supporting fcps' actions against citizens over the last several years, that's about par for the course.
the sb lobbying us to raise taxes to fill their coffers should be of concern to you - not taking out your frustrations on vengeful wishes for children.
even if you are feeling vindictive because any one group claims wrongdoing by a government body, how does a vast dispersal of children meet your hateful need for vindication?
your logic fails. but if your supporting fcps' actions against citizens over the last several years, that's about par for the course.
the sb lobbying us to raise taxes to fill their coffers should be of concern to you - not taking out your frustrations on vengeful wishes for children.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
money well spent
()
Date: January 17, 2011 07:17PM
The local judges hate these cases as they just
> don't want to get involved in local politics.
Many of us Fairfax taxpayers also hate them, especially since they're frivolous and will cost us more in taxes.
Yes, sometimes the business of politics and government is "messy" and people don't want to get involved. However, where would be without citizens watching and getting involved in the process? I think we know where that leads.
I believe these are tax dollars well spent if they keep the process transparent and democratic. Democracy is not always "cheap", but it's worth having.
> don't want to get involved in local politics.
Many of us Fairfax taxpayers also hate them, especially since they're frivolous and will cost us more in taxes.
Yes, sometimes the business of politics and government is "messy" and people don't want to get involved. However, where would be without citizens watching and getting involved in the process? I think we know where that leads.
I believe these are tax dollars well spent if they keep the process transparent and democratic. Democracy is not always "cheap", but it's worth having.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
are the emails too hard for you to read?
()
Date: January 17, 2011 07:51PM
FFX taxpayer Wrote:
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> Legal Eagle Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > The local judges hate these cases as they just
> > don't want to get involved in local politics.
>
> Many of us Fairfax taxpayers also hate them,
> especially since they're frivolous and will cost
> us more in taxes.
>
> There are large groups of us silently hoping your
> kids are split into 33 different elementary
> schools for all the trouble and complaining that
> you've done.
>
> And no, I'm not Liz, or a big fan of the FCPS
> Board, but dislike this BS even more than them.
>
> Please feel free to continue on here, with your
> mindless drivel of disjointed emails that make
> little sense.
Let me guess, your kids' school is not affected at all. How easy of you to judge.
Ask yourself, how would I feel if the FCPS Board announced that my kids' school was closing? How would I react, and how would I fight it?
Now, imagine that your own school board rep, while publicly working with your community leaders, was actually working behind your backs to get the school closed so that she could use the money for another school.
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> Legal Eagle Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > The local judges hate these cases as they just
> > don't want to get involved in local politics.
>
> Many of us Fairfax taxpayers also hate them,
> especially since they're frivolous and will cost
> us more in taxes.
>
> There are large groups of us silently hoping your
> kids are split into 33 different elementary
> schools for all the trouble and complaining that
> you've done.
>
> And no, I'm not Liz, or a big fan of the FCPS
> Board, but dislike this BS even more than them.
>
> Please feel free to continue on here, with your
> mindless drivel of disjointed emails that make
> little sense.
Let me guess, your kids' school is not affected at all. How easy of you to judge.
Ask yourself, how would I feel if the FCPS Board announced that my kids' school was closing? How would I react, and how would I fight it?
Now, imagine that your own school board rep, while publicly working with your community leaders, was actually working behind your backs to get the school closed so that she could use the money for another school.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FOIA
()
Date: January 17, 2011 07:57PM
Document Jockey, thanks for posting the links. Politics aside and nasty comments about spreading kids around...seems like the School Board colluded and had meetings out of the public view. This should matter to all of us because our elected officals are acting like mobsters. They way they talk to each other and about each other (Poor Tina Hone) is shameful. What disgusts me the most is the mocking disdain for any one you disagrees with them. I don't live in the Southwestern area, but these are still my board representatives and their actions are appalling.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Legal Eagle
()
Date: January 17, 2011 08:08PM
FOIA Wrote:
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> Document Jockey, thanks for posting the links.
> Politics aside and nasty comments about spreading
> kids around...seems like the School Board colluded
> and had meetings out of the public view. This
> should matter to all of us because our elected
> officals are acting like mobsters. They way they
> talk to each other and about each other (Poor Tina
> Hone) is shameful. What disgusts me the most is
> the mocking disdain for any one you disagrees with
> them. I don't live in the Southwestern area, but
> these are still my board representatives and their
> actions are appalling.
Ditto. Thanks for posting the links. I don't know state law well enough to know whether the FOIA/Open Meeting lawsuit really has any legs (certainly the School Board's response was quite dismissive), but that doesn't mean that School Board members like Liz Bradsher and Tessie Wilson haven't proven themselves to be complete jackasses.
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> Document Jockey, thanks for posting the links.
> Politics aside and nasty comments about spreading
> kids around...seems like the School Board colluded
> and had meetings out of the public view. This
> should matter to all of us because our elected
> officals are acting like mobsters. They way they
> talk to each other and about each other (Poor Tina
> Hone) is shameful. What disgusts me the most is
> the mocking disdain for any one you disagrees with
> them. I don't live in the Southwestern area, but
> these are still my board representatives and their
> actions are appalling.
Ditto. Thanks for posting the links. I don't know state law well enough to know whether the FOIA/Open Meeting lawsuit really has any legs (certainly the School Board's response was quite dismissive), but that doesn't mean that School Board members like Liz Bradsher and Tessie Wilson haven't proven themselves to be complete jackasses.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Purist
()
Date: January 18, 2011 12:04AM
I am hoping you aren't a product of FCPS yourself, as you clearly are missing the grasp of the fundamental principles at stake.
This trouble or complaining you characterize was viewed slightly differently - not by Clifton parents but someone else you may recognize.
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Posted by:
Animorpher
()
Date: January 18, 2011 01:57AM
say it - you know you want to.
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Posted by:
legal fees
()
Date: January 18, 2011 09:45AM
I know, I know, as a taxpayer, I am ultimately paying FCPS's legal fees but I don't care.
Dale and company's behavior has been so horrible that if I were a BOS member I would make Dale eat these fees out of his budget for his office.
I would give them a level transfer from last fiscal year and subtract these legal fees and demand that they come from his office.
This whole nightmare should never have happened. Bad governance.
Dale and company's behavior has been so horrible that if I were a BOS member I would make Dale eat these fees out of his budget for his office.
I would give them a level transfer from last fiscal year and subtract these legal fees and demand that they come from his office.
This whole nightmare should never have happened. Bad governance.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
from another thread
()
Date: January 18, 2011 10:33AM
Please note that the legal fees for FCPS in FY 2011 are estimated at 6,579,431. FY2010 was 2,571,749. The request for FY 2012 is 2,512,205.........?
Other professional services for 2011 are $25,441,281. This is double what they spent in 2010 and 11 million less than the request for 2012. What are "other professional services?
This is from page 160 of the budget.
Other professional services for 2011 are $25,441,281. This is double what they spent in 2010 and 11 million less than the request for 2012. What are "other professional services?
This is from page 160 of the budget.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LowerCosts
()
Date: January 18, 2011 11:37AM
FROM ANOTHER THREAD Wrote:
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> Construction
> Budget $ 575.2 $ 163.1 $ (412.2)
> Positions 87.3 87.3
>
>
> FCPS has 87.5 people employed in
> construction!!!!No wonder Tisdadt wants to keep
> schools moving.....he'd have to fire most of his
> staff!!
87.5 people!!! That is enough positions to staff a school with teachers! Why is money being spent on all this Admin when it should be spent on the teachers that actually EDUCATE the children. Remember EDUCATION? That is what FCPS is SUPPOSED to be doing! Not building it's own little administrative empire! How DARE they feign they have no money for teachers!
Plus, how does this arrangement make any sense in this economy? If construction costs are so low and there are a lot of private contractors that would seriously cut costs to bid for contracts, than why isn't this function being outsourced to the private sector? Instead they are staffing THAT MANY people IN-HOUSE with salary AND BENEFITS!
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> Construction
> Budget $ 575.2 $ 163.1 $ (412.2)
> Positions 87.3 87.3
>
>
> FCPS has 87.5 people employed in
> construction!!!!No wonder Tisdadt wants to keep
> schools moving.....he'd have to fire most of his
> staff!!
87.5 people!!! That is enough positions to staff a school with teachers! Why is money being spent on all this Admin when it should be spent on the teachers that actually EDUCATE the children. Remember EDUCATION? That is what FCPS is SUPPOSED to be doing! Not building it's own little administrative empire! How DARE they feign they have no money for teachers!
Plus, how does this arrangement make any sense in this economy? If construction costs are so low and there are a lot of private contractors that would seriously cut costs to bid for contracts, than why isn't this function being outsourced to the private sector? Instead they are staffing THAT MANY people IN-HOUSE with salary AND BENEFITS!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Lawsuit Withdrawn
()
Date: January 18, 2011 12:38PM
Seriously . . . the FOIA lawsuit was withdrawn at the hearing today.
FAIRFAX, Va. - A lawsuit accusing the Fairfax County school board of violating the Open Meetings Act has been withdrawn. However, the issue is far from over.
The case involves last summer's controversial decision to close Clifton Elementary School.
Some of the parents had filed suit, claiming board members violated state law on open meetings by emailing each other during meetings while the issue was being discussed.
The same suit also alleged that the board violated the Freedom of Information Act by not turning over all of those emails, particularly one about the school's well water, a key element in the decision to close the school.
A judge was ready to start trial, but the parents withdrew the suit after a short hearing Tuesday morning.
FAIRFAX, Va. - A lawsuit accusing the Fairfax County school board of violating the Open Meetings Act has been withdrawn. However, the issue is far from over.
The case involves last summer's controversial decision to close Clifton Elementary School.
Some of the parents had filed suit, claiming board members violated state law on open meetings by emailing each other during meetings while the issue was being discussed.
The same suit also alleged that the board violated the Freedom of Information Act by not turning over all of those emails, particularly one about the school's well water, a key element in the decision to close the school.
A judge was ready to start trial, but the parents withdrew the suit after a short hearing Tuesday morning.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liar
()
Date: January 18, 2011 01:26PM
The lawsuit wasn't withdrawn, all morning cases were postponed due to the weather. The hearing will be rescheduled.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Straight from the press
()
Date: January 18, 2011 01:54PM
It came straight from WTOP. You all better tel WTOP and other sources that are picking up the story to correct the record then.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Fairfax Station Patch
()
Date: January 18, 2011 01:59PM
Even indicates that it was not a weather delay. Clifton folks weren't prepared for the hearing and had to withdraw.
From FFX Station Patch:
Anyone following the Clifton School situation will have to wait another day to find out whether county school board members violated the law when they e-mailed each other during a vote to close Clifton Elementary.
A hearing today on alleged violations of open meeting law and Virginia Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) by the Fairfax County School Board during the process of voting to close Clifton Elementary School last July ended in a "non-suit."
The plaintiff, Fairfax County resident Jill DeMello Hill, and her lawyers plan to re-file the suit. The non-suit occurred due to a misunderstanding in which Judge Jan L. Brodie and the lawyers for the Fairfax County School Board planned for a full three-hour hearing on the case, while the plaintiff’s lawyers were only ready for
an initial hearing on some of the issues within the case.
From FFX Station Patch:
Anyone following the Clifton School situation will have to wait another day to find out whether county school board members violated the law when they e-mailed each other during a vote to close Clifton Elementary.
A hearing today on alleged violations of open meeting law and Virginia Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) by the Fairfax County School Board during the process of voting to close Clifton Elementary School last July ended in a "non-suit."
The plaintiff, Fairfax County resident Jill DeMello Hill, and her lawyers plan to re-file the suit. The non-suit occurred due to a misunderstanding in which Judge Jan L. Brodie and the lawyers for the Fairfax County School Board planned for a full three-hour hearing on the case, while the plaintiff’s lawyers were only ready for
an initial hearing on some of the issues within the case.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Non-Suit
()
Date: January 18, 2011 02:00PM
Straight from the press Wrote:
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> It came straight from WTOP. You all better tel
> WTOP and other sources that are picking up the
> story to correct the record then.
Explanation is on the Fairfax Station Patch website. Judge and FCPS lawyers were expecting to discuss case at length. Plaintiff wasn't prepared. "There was a misunderstanding" as to what was expected today. ??????
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> It came straight from WTOP. You all better tel
> WTOP and other sources that are picking up the
> story to correct the record then.
Explanation is on the Fairfax Station Patch website. Judge and FCPS lawyers were expecting to discuss case at length. Plaintiff wasn't prepared. "There was a misunderstanding" as to what was expected today. ??????
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
how did that happen?
()
Date: January 18, 2011 02:10PM
Patton-Boggs FAIL
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
F'ing bloodsuckers
()
Date: January 18, 2011 11:28PM
The school board and the FCPS blood-sucking attorneys have said F*&! you to every person who has tried to get any information. It's like a Seinfeld episode of information nazis - "no info for you; come back ONE YEAR!"
You have to ask WHY the board and their back-of-the-parade attorneys are trying so hard to hide all the crap.
From what we heard, FCPS attorneys were way up tight their little plan today didn't work.
Seems Patton-Boggs' guys one upped them by calling them out.
You have to ask WHY the board and their back-of-the-parade attorneys are trying so hard to hide all the crap.
From what we heard, FCPS attorneys were way up tight their little plan today didn't work.
Seems Patton-Boggs' guys one upped them by calling them out.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Eff Lee
()
Date: January 18, 2011 11:51PM
F'ing bloodsuckers Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The school board and the FCPS blood-sucking
> attorneys have said F*&! you to every person who
> has tried to get any information. It's like a
> Seinfeld episode of information nazis - "no info
> for you; come back ONE YEAR!"
>
> You have to ask WHY the board and their
> back-of-the-parade attorneys are trying so hard to
> hide all the crap.
>
> From what we heard, FCPS attorneys were way up
> tight their little plan today didn't work.
>
> Seems Patton-Boggs' guys one upped them by calling
> them out.
Well, if Patton Boggs did one-up them in the courtroom today, then the FCPS attorneys one-upped Patton Boggs in the court of public opinion, given that the media reports are that the County was ready to engage, and Patton Boggs (and their private party plaintiff) blinked.
So where exactly are we?
-------------------------------------------------------
> The school board and the FCPS blood-sucking
> attorneys have said F*&! you to every person who
> has tried to get any information. It's like a
> Seinfeld episode of information nazis - "no info
> for you; come back ONE YEAR!"
>
> You have to ask WHY the board and their
> back-of-the-parade attorneys are trying so hard to
> hide all the crap.
>
> From what we heard, FCPS attorneys were way up
> tight their little plan today didn't work.
>
> Seems Patton-Boggs' guys one upped them by calling
> them out.
Well, if Patton Boggs did one-up them in the courtroom today, then the FCPS attorneys one-upped Patton Boggs in the court of public opinion, given that the media reports are that the County was ready to engage, and Patton Boggs (and their private party plaintiff) blinked.
So where exactly are we?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FCPS=EVIL
()
Date: January 19, 2011 04:42AM
>>>As much as agree that most of the SB should be voted out I can asure everyone that if we don't do something more than complain on a blog Liz will be voted in again. Most voters pay little attention to SB matters and just vote party line or name recognition when it come to SB candidates. We must have an active campaign..and a decent candidate.<<<
Which party will endorse Liz? It will NOT be the republicans. The folks who run FCRC want NOTHING to do with her. Do the democrats want her? If not, she gets no endorsements and no party help. Her name will not appear on the endorsed list of republicans.
Which party will endorse Liz? It will NOT be the republicans. The folks who run FCRC want NOTHING to do with her. Do the democrats want her? If not, she gets no endorsements and no party help. Her name will not appear on the endorsed list of republicans.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FCPS=EVIL
()
Date: January 19, 2011 04:45AM
LowerCosts Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> FROM ANOTHER THREAD Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Construction
> > Budget $ 575.2 $ 163.1 $ (412.2)
> > Positions 87.3 87.3
> >
> >
> > FCPS has 87.5 people employed in
> > construction!!!!No wonder Tisdadt wants to keep
> > schools moving.....he'd have to fire most of
> his
> > staff!!
>
> 87.5 people!!! That is enough positions to staff
> a school with teachers! Why is money being spent
> on all this Admin when it should be spent on the
> teachers that actually EDUCATE the children.
> Remember EDUCATION? That is what FCPS is
> SUPPOSED to be doing! Not building it's own
> little administrative empire! How DARE they
> feign they have no money for teachers!
>
> Plus, how does this arrangement make any sense in
> this economy? If construction costs are so low
> and there are a lot of private contractors that
> would seriously cut costs to bid for contracts,
> than why isn't this function being outsourced to
> the private sector? Instead they are staffing
> THAT MANY people IN-HOUSE with salary AND
> BENEFITS!
Please remember that when the staff and school board tells citizens that they MUST increase class size because there is nowhere else to cut!
The EIGHT area office, each with a staff of hundreds, could all disappear tomorrow and no parent or student would notice any difference in education.
Cut administrative staff, not teachers!
-------------------------------------------------------
> FROM ANOTHER THREAD Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Construction
> > Budget $ 575.2 $ 163.1 $ (412.2)
> > Positions 87.3 87.3
> >
> >
> > FCPS has 87.5 people employed in
> > construction!!!!No wonder Tisdadt wants to keep
> > schools moving.....he'd have to fire most of
> his
> > staff!!
>
> 87.5 people!!! That is enough positions to staff
> a school with teachers! Why is money being spent
> on all this Admin when it should be spent on the
> teachers that actually EDUCATE the children.
> Remember EDUCATION? That is what FCPS is
> SUPPOSED to be doing! Not building it's own
> little administrative empire! How DARE they
> feign they have no money for teachers!
>
> Plus, how does this arrangement make any sense in
> this economy? If construction costs are so low
> and there are a lot of private contractors that
> would seriously cut costs to bid for contracts,
> than why isn't this function being outsourced to
> the private sector? Instead they are staffing
> THAT MANY people IN-HOUSE with salary AND
> BENEFITS!
Please remember that when the staff and school board tells citizens that they MUST increase class size because there is nowhere else to cut!
The EIGHT area office, each with a staff of hundreds, could all disappear tomorrow and no parent or student would notice any difference in education.
Cut administrative staff, not teachers!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dale needs to go
()
Date: January 19, 2011 08:05AM
Send Dale packing now.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz and Dale can kiss my ass!
()
Date: January 19, 2011 09:21AM
I wish I could send my kids to private school. FCPS is a big joke.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
upside down inside out
()
Date: January 19, 2011 09:28AM
I agree on the private school. I wish I had the money also. I am going to be saving for my granchildren to go to private school. I am trying hard to give my son the right perspective on school---that certain things are worthy of the effort to learn them---and certain other things are just so the school can "look good" and the statistics will "look good". This is really sad to have to teach to your kid---he basically knows it already---what the heck are we doing? When I was a kid, we trusted the system. Now it's completely insane. Bonkers.
He hears the teachers talking about it also.
He hears the teachers talking about it also.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Retired Teacher
()
Date: January 19, 2011 10:11AM
I enjoyed teaching, but became disgusted with the politics and superficiality of the FCPS Admin. Many teachers feel the same way.
Many years ago during the era when Davis and Burkholder were the superintendents there was a sense of esprit de corps that was common in the school system, now it is very much "us against them" mentality. I think, and this merely my opinion, that central admin has become so isolated and removed from the day to day issues that teacers deal with that they,the admin, have no idea what goes on or is really needed.
I am not surprised, but certainly dismayed, by this mess. Bradsher is a politician and she is politicizing school business. The complicity of the FCPS Admin is at best disheartening.
Many years ago during the era when Davis and Burkholder were the superintendents there was a sense of esprit de corps that was common in the school system, now it is very much "us against them" mentality. I think, and this merely my opinion, that central admin has become so isolated and removed from the day to day issues that teacers deal with that they,the admin, have no idea what goes on or is really needed.
I am not surprised, but certainly dismayed, by this mess. Bradsher is a politician and she is politicizing school business. The complicity of the FCPS Admin is at best disheartening.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
AmericanCitizen
()
Date: January 19, 2011 02:04PM
Eff Lee Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> F'ing bloodsuckers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The school board and the FCPS blood-sucking
> > attorneys have said F*&! you to every person
> who
> > has tried to get any information. It's like a
> > Seinfeld episode of information nazis - "no
> info
> > for you; come back ONE YEAR!"
> >
> > You have to ask WHY the board and their
> > back-of-the-parade attorneys are trying so hard
> to
> > hide all the crap.
> >
> > From what we heard, FCPS attorneys were way up
> > tight their little plan today didn't work.
> >
> > Seems Patton-Boggs' guys one upped them by
> calling
> > them out.
>
>
> Well, if Patton Boggs did one-up them in the
> courtroom today, then the FCPS attorneys one-upped
> Patton Boggs in the court of public opinion, given
> that the media reports are that the County was
> ready to engage, and Patton Boggs (and their
> private party plaintiff) blinked.
>
> So where exactly are we?
It seems like as American citizens we are all in a very sad place.
If you or I, as your average American citizen, waltzed into a courtroom and loudly declared we simply refused to supply documentation, what do you think the Judge's reaction would be?
-------------------------------------------------------
> F'ing bloodsuckers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The school board and the FCPS blood-sucking
> > attorneys have said F*&! you to every person
> who
> > has tried to get any information. It's like a
> > Seinfeld episode of information nazis - "no
> info
> > for you; come back ONE YEAR!"
> >
> > You have to ask WHY the board and their
> > back-of-the-parade attorneys are trying so hard
> to
> > hide all the crap.
> >
> > From what we heard, FCPS attorneys were way up
> > tight their little plan today didn't work.
> >
> > Seems Patton-Boggs' guys one upped them by
> calling
> > them out.
>
>
> Well, if Patton Boggs did one-up them in the
> courtroom today, then the FCPS attorneys one-upped
> Patton Boggs in the court of public opinion, given
> that the media reports are that the County was
> ready to engage, and Patton Boggs (and their
> private party plaintiff) blinked.
>
> So where exactly are we?
It seems like as American citizens we are all in a very sad place.
If you or I, as your average American citizen, waltzed into a courtroom and loudly declared we simply refused to supply documentation, what do you think the Judge's reaction would be?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 19, 2011 04:07PM
AmericanCitizen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Eff Lee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > F'ing bloodsuckers Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The school board and the FCPS blood-sucking
> > > attorneys have said F*&! you to every person
> > who
> > > has tried to get any information. It's like a
> > > Seinfeld episode of information nazis - "no
> > info
> > > for you; come back ONE YEAR!"
> > >
> > > You have to ask WHY the board and their
> > > back-of-the-parade attorneys are trying so
> hard
> > to
> > > hide all the crap.
> > >
> > > From what we heard, FCPS attorneys were way
> up
> > > tight their little plan today didn't work.
> > >
> > > Seems Patton-Boggs' guys one upped them by
> > calling
> > > them out.
> >
> >
> > Well, if Patton Boggs did one-up them in the
> > courtroom today, then the FCPS attorneys
> one-upped
> > Patton Boggs in the court of public opinion,
> given
> > that the media reports are that the County was
> > ready to engage, and Patton Boggs (and their
> > private party plaintiff) blinked.
> >
> > So where exactly are we?
>
> It seems like as American citizens we are all in a
> very sad place.
>
> If you or I, as your average American citizen,
> waltzed into a courtroom and loudly declared we
> simply refused to supply documentation, what do
> you think the Judge's reaction would be?
+1
-------------------------------------------------------
> Eff Lee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > F'ing bloodsuckers Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The school board and the FCPS blood-sucking
> > > attorneys have said F*&! you to every person
> > who
> > > has tried to get any information. It's like a
> > > Seinfeld episode of information nazis - "no
> > info
> > > for you; come back ONE YEAR!"
> > >
> > > You have to ask WHY the board and their
> > > back-of-the-parade attorneys are trying so
> hard
> > to
> > > hide all the crap.
> > >
> > > From what we heard, FCPS attorneys were way
> up
> > > tight their little plan today didn't work.
> > >
> > > Seems Patton-Boggs' guys one upped them by
> > calling
> > > them out.
> >
> >
> > Well, if Patton Boggs did one-up them in the
> > courtroom today, then the FCPS attorneys
> one-upped
> > Patton Boggs in the court of public opinion,
> given
> > that the media reports are that the County was
> > ready to engage, and Patton Boggs (and their
> > private party plaintiff) blinked.
> >
> > So where exactly are we?
>
> It seems like as American citizens we are all in a
> very sad place.
>
> If you or I, as your average American citizen,
> waltzed into a courtroom and loudly declared we
> simply refused to supply documentation, what do
> you think the Judge's reaction would be?
+1
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TeaParty
()
Date: January 19, 2011 04:45PM
how did that happen? Wrote:
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> Patton-Boggs FAIL
It looks more like Patton-Boggs was more in the mood for a little Tea Party.
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> Patton-Boggs FAIL
It looks more like Patton-Boggs was more in the mood for a little Tea Party.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
We in Fairfax are all
()
Date: January 19, 2011 04:49PM
Fucked. Thanks Dale!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Document Jockey
()
Date: January 19, 2011 06:37PM
Received a boiled down explanation - so what is the likelihood that a judge assignment that was supposed to be random just happened to be the Judge that closed Graham Rd. Elementary and the judge that didn't allow parents in Ffx Cty to have standing?
The FCPS Mafioso strikes again. Patton Boggs apparently smelled them out. This is getting good!
______________________________________________
FCPS files response Friday.
Denies much. Still won’t deliver public documents.
Today, Judge walks in – same Judge that said ‘parents don’t have right to sue’ and allowed SB to close Graham Road Elementary.
How convenient.*
Hmmm.
Patton Boggs asked for discovery in opening remarks. Still missing those pesky documents.
FCPS’ attorneys said – uh, no. “We aren’t giving you anything†(…well, we know, that’s why we were there – FOIA violations, taking 4 months to respond…still not fully…to a simple request for public info).
Patton Boggs said to Judge…they already admitted FOIA violations in their response, so ok, ‘judge’ already – render a summary judgment on that today. But Open Meetings violations are rampant and we should be able to have ‘discovery’ (struggled for 4 months to get a less than complete response as it is to a FOIA request….compel them already) to give the Court ample information to judge on this count as well.
FCPS attorneys then said – uh, no. We want a full blown trial with an evidentiary hearing…NOW. Right Now. We brought witnesses.
Hmmm.
[Think *]
Fine. You want to roll that way?
Patton Boggs called ‘freeze!’ (nonsuit).
…We’ll be B—A—C—K.
The FCPS Mafioso strikes again. Patton Boggs apparently smelled them out. This is getting good!
______________________________________________
FCPS files response Friday.
Denies much. Still won’t deliver public documents.
Today, Judge walks in – same Judge that said ‘parents don’t have right to sue’ and allowed SB to close Graham Road Elementary.
How convenient.*
Hmmm.
Patton Boggs asked for discovery in opening remarks. Still missing those pesky documents.
FCPS’ attorneys said – uh, no. “We aren’t giving you anything†(…well, we know, that’s why we were there – FOIA violations, taking 4 months to respond…still not fully…to a simple request for public info).
Patton Boggs said to Judge…they already admitted FOIA violations in their response, so ok, ‘judge’ already – render a summary judgment on that today. But Open Meetings violations are rampant and we should be able to have ‘discovery’ (struggled for 4 months to get a less than complete response as it is to a FOIA request….compel them already) to give the Court ample information to judge on this count as well.
FCPS attorneys then said – uh, no. We want a full blown trial with an evidentiary hearing…NOW. Right Now. We brought witnesses.
Hmmm.
[Think *]
Fine. You want to roll that way?
Patton Boggs called ‘freeze!’ (nonsuit).
…We’ll be B—A—C—K.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FINALLY!
()
Date: January 19, 2011 06:41PM
The real story.
This is not Clifton.
This is not an 'interested party'.
This is not a Fairfax County resident.
The press - THE PRESS - is getting the gross level of behavior within the FCPS School Board.
Shame on you.
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By Barbara Hollingsworth
Created Jan 18 2011 - 8:05pm
A Fairfax school board do-over needed in more ways than one
Comments (0) .Virginia's Freedom of Information Act is quite clear: Except in certain limited instances, meetings of public bodies must be open to the public. The law's intent is also clear: Public officials cannot do public business in secret.
The Fairfax County School Board has been accused of multiple violations of the state's open meetings law, as well as its own strategic governance rules, according to a lawsuit filed Jan. 7 in Fairfax County Circuit Court by Patton Boggs attorney Benjamin Chew. School board members allegedly exchanged secret e-mails about matters under discussion during public meetings regarding the closure of Clifton Elementary.
One of these e-mails, dated June 15, 2010, which surfaced as a result of FOIA requests by Clifton resident Jill DeMello Hill, show school board member Liz Bradsher -- whose Springfield district includes Clifton -- brazenly coaching members of a West Springfield High School parents' group on how to advance in FCPS' renovation queue by lobbying board members to close Clifton. "If we decided to close Clifton, your bonding could be moved [up two years] to 2011," Bradsher tells members of the parents' group.
At the board's June 28 public hearing, which lasted until 1 a.m., 149 county residents passionately testified to keep their community school open even as board members were busy exchanging private e-mails.
Board member Stuart Gibson of Hunter Mill even chastised the development director of a nonprofit that runs a family shelter near the school, warning her that it was "highly inappropriate for your organization to be lobbying the school board on this issue."
Talk about highly inappropriate. During the school board's July 8 public meeting, Dean Tistadt, the school system's chief operating officer, secretly e-mailed board members a report that found nothing wrong with the school's supposedly contaminated well water. The expense of fixing the water problem was one of three main arguments made for closing the school. This report completely eliminated it.
Yet according to e-mail transcripts, board Chairwoman Kathy Smith of Sully, Tessie Wilson of Braddock, and Patricia Reed of Providence -- who was participating from a remote location even though she was officially listed in the board minutes as "absent" -- discussed posting the water report before the vote with school board clerk Pamela Goddard.
"It can wait until tomorrow!" Wilson says. "I checked with Kathy and she agrees. GOOD GRIEF! Does she not realize we are in the middle of the meeting?" Without publicly divulging the explosive contents of the water report, the board then voted 9-2 to close Clifton without any plan for relocating its 369 students.
Besides Smith, Wilson, Bradsher, and Gibson, board Vice Chairman Brad Center of Lee, Ilryong Moon, at large, Jim Raney, at large, Dan Storck of Mount Vernon, and Jane Strauss of Dranesville voted to shutter the school.
"In effect, the school board pretended to conduct an open meeting while it simultaneously, by e-mail, discussed the same matters in a secret 'closed' session,' " the lawsuit alleged, asking the court to require FCPS to post all withheld e-mails pertaining to the vote on its Web site, hold a "properly noticed public meeting to reconsider the closure in accordance with its own policy (1501.3) to conduct its business in public, and schedule a re-vote.
On Tuesday, the lawsuit was voluntarily withdrawn before trial because representatives of the Fairfax County Public Schools and the school board are still refusing to provide documents requested under FOIA. If board members are allowed to get away with ignoring Virginia's open meetings statute, they will never again conduct controversial public business in public.
So besides demanding a do-over of the Clifton vote, voters should do-over the school board as well.
Barbara F. Hollingsworth is The Examiner's local opinion editor.
.ColumnistsBarbara F. HollingworthFairfax School BoardFOIANEP
This is not Clifton.
This is not an 'interested party'.
This is not a Fairfax County resident.
The press - THE PRESS - is getting the gross level of behavior within the FCPS School Board.
Shame on you.
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By Barbara Hollingsworth
Created Jan 18 2011 - 8:05pm
A Fairfax school board do-over needed in more ways than one
Comments (0) .Virginia's Freedom of Information Act is quite clear: Except in certain limited instances, meetings of public bodies must be open to the public. The law's intent is also clear: Public officials cannot do public business in secret.
The Fairfax County School Board has been accused of multiple violations of the state's open meetings law, as well as its own strategic governance rules, according to a lawsuit filed Jan. 7 in Fairfax County Circuit Court by Patton Boggs attorney Benjamin Chew. School board members allegedly exchanged secret e-mails about matters under discussion during public meetings regarding the closure of Clifton Elementary.
One of these e-mails, dated June 15, 2010, which surfaced as a result of FOIA requests by Clifton resident Jill DeMello Hill, show school board member Liz Bradsher -- whose Springfield district includes Clifton -- brazenly coaching members of a West Springfield High School parents' group on how to advance in FCPS' renovation queue by lobbying board members to close Clifton. "If we decided to close Clifton, your bonding could be moved [up two years] to 2011," Bradsher tells members of the parents' group.
At the board's June 28 public hearing, which lasted until 1 a.m., 149 county residents passionately testified to keep their community school open even as board members were busy exchanging private e-mails.
Board member Stuart Gibson of Hunter Mill even chastised the development director of a nonprofit that runs a family shelter near the school, warning her that it was "highly inappropriate for your organization to be lobbying the school board on this issue."
Talk about highly inappropriate. During the school board's July 8 public meeting, Dean Tistadt, the school system's chief operating officer, secretly e-mailed board members a report that found nothing wrong with the school's supposedly contaminated well water. The expense of fixing the water problem was one of three main arguments made for closing the school. This report completely eliminated it.
Yet according to e-mail transcripts, board Chairwoman Kathy Smith of Sully, Tessie Wilson of Braddock, and Patricia Reed of Providence -- who was participating from a remote location even though she was officially listed in the board minutes as "absent" -- discussed posting the water report before the vote with school board clerk Pamela Goddard.
"It can wait until tomorrow!" Wilson says. "I checked with Kathy and she agrees. GOOD GRIEF! Does she not realize we are in the middle of the meeting?" Without publicly divulging the explosive contents of the water report, the board then voted 9-2 to close Clifton without any plan for relocating its 369 students.
Besides Smith, Wilson, Bradsher, and Gibson, board Vice Chairman Brad Center of Lee, Ilryong Moon, at large, Jim Raney, at large, Dan Storck of Mount Vernon, and Jane Strauss of Dranesville voted to shutter the school.
"In effect, the school board pretended to conduct an open meeting while it simultaneously, by e-mail, discussed the same matters in a secret 'closed' session,' " the lawsuit alleged, asking the court to require FCPS to post all withheld e-mails pertaining to the vote on its Web site, hold a "properly noticed public meeting to reconsider the closure in accordance with its own policy (1501.3) to conduct its business in public, and schedule a re-vote.
On Tuesday, the lawsuit was voluntarily withdrawn before trial because representatives of the Fairfax County Public Schools and the school board are still refusing to provide documents requested under FOIA. If board members are allowed to get away with ignoring Virginia's open meetings statute, they will never again conduct controversial public business in public.
So besides demanding a do-over of the Clifton vote, voters should do-over the school board as well.
Barbara F. Hollingsworth is The Examiner's local opinion editor.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
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Animorpher
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Date: January 20, 2011 12:54AM
Do you think the runoff to the Chesapeake will be an environmental hazard?
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Posted by:
Last Night
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Date: January 20, 2011 09:52AM
Did Jack Dale screw liz last night?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Unlisted
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Date: January 20, 2011 11:52PM
Why is Liz Bradshere calling all the PTAs in the boundary study?
Our PTA president was pretty upset. Is it normal for a school board representative to call PTA officers and try to get them to do what the school board wants?
This seems very strange right before the public hearing about the boundary changes (the latest changes see to be what the school board wants, so now they are pressuring PTAs to get in line with them?).
Very big brother.
Our PTA president was pretty upset. Is it normal for a school board representative to call PTA officers and try to get them to do what the school board wants?
This seems very strange right before the public hearing about the boundary changes (the latest changes see to be what the school board wants, so now they are pressuring PTAs to get in line with them?).
Very big brother.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
PTA Guru
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Date: January 21, 2011 06:22AM
Liz is contacting PTAs because she knows most of the ones involved in the southwestern boundary study have no confidence in the ability of FCPS staff to adequately plan for future enrollments at individual schools. You don't need to look any further than Liz's back yard at South County to see an example of that (overcrowded new school with surrounding schools having capacity to address the overcrowding). I just hope all the PTA presidents have what it takes to speak their minds instead of cowering to what likely in the end is pressure from Tessie and Kathy Smith. I don't see Liz having the energy left in her to pressure PTAs after the public humiliation following the Clifton decision. Deserved humiliation in my view.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Big Brother
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Date: January 21, 2011 08:52AM
In the West County boundary study, school board reps very definitely pressured PTAs (some were willing). Fox Mill PTA did a "survey" for Stu, then wouldn't release the results.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
PTAanswer
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:59PM
Unlisted Wrote:
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> Why is Liz Bradshere calling all the PTAs in the
> boundary study?
>
> Our PTA president was pretty upset. Is it normal
> for a school board representative to call PTA
> officers and try to get them to do what the school
> board wants?
>
> This seems very strange right before the public
> hearing about the boundary changes (the latest
> changes see to be what the school board wants, so
> now they are pressuring PTAs to get in line with
> them?).
>
> Very big brother.
Based on what was going on with Clifton in front of the public and what was going on behind the scenes in emails (trying to push West Springfield High School up the queue), it seems to be all about appearances and so pushing PTAs before the hearing is just par for the course in this debacle. Somebody ought to record Liz when she calls them....
The School Board cares about how they LOOK. How is it going to look if they don't have the support of the PTAs in this boundary study? Many of these Board Members just use this position as a stepping stone to other positions (like County Supervisor).
As for pressuring the PTA boards. These PTA Boards can be comprised of people who are actually teachers for the schools, trying to get jobs at the school and spouses of current teachers and Admin staff. When pressured, do you think they will do what is best for keeping their current teaching position (or in gaining a future teaching position) or in helping their spouse, or do you think they will do what is best for the community? Depends on the person. Do you know what your PTA Board Members affiliations are to FCPS?
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> Why is Liz Bradshere calling all the PTAs in the
> boundary study?
>
> Our PTA president was pretty upset. Is it normal
> for a school board representative to call PTA
> officers and try to get them to do what the school
> board wants?
>
> This seems very strange right before the public
> hearing about the boundary changes (the latest
> changes see to be what the school board wants, so
> now they are pressuring PTAs to get in line with
> them?).
>
> Very big brother.
Based on what was going on with Clifton in front of the public and what was going on behind the scenes in emails (trying to push West Springfield High School up the queue), it seems to be all about appearances and so pushing PTAs before the hearing is just par for the course in this debacle. Somebody ought to record Liz when she calls them....
The School Board cares about how they LOOK. How is it going to look if they don't have the support of the PTAs in this boundary study? Many of these Board Members just use this position as a stepping stone to other positions (like County Supervisor).
As for pressuring the PTA boards. These PTA Boards can be comprised of people who are actually teachers for the schools, trying to get jobs at the school and spouses of current teachers and Admin staff. When pressured, do you think they will do what is best for keeping their current teaching position (or in gaining a future teaching position) or in helping their spouse, or do you think they will do what is best for the community? Depends on the person. Do you know what your PTA Board Members affiliations are to FCPS?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
school board scandal
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Date: January 21, 2011 01:20PM
I am not a Clifton resident but I do find interest in this Clifton School closing scandal which is heating up around the FCSB on a daily basis. It appears that the closing had very little to do with what is best for the students and the county school system as a whole, but more to do with settling personal vendettas and achieving personal agendas by board members. Frequently in these newly disclosed e-mails disdain for the Clifton community is expressed and rampant for "those", "entitled", etc. people of Clifton. It is also interesting that many of the reasons for closing the school have disproved for example the concern over the quality of potable water.
In my opinion the closing of Clifton School in the corrupt manner that it was conducted is unacceptable and undeniable.
If the Washington Post and other media outlets expose to the mass audience this gross and negligent abuse of power, it may bring the FCSB to its knees forcing them to reverse their decision to close the school. I would recommend to the people living in the Clifton area to pursue this angle. Gather up as much evidence of FCSB wrong-doing and present it to the local media. Then let them take it from there.
In my opinion the closing of Clifton School in the corrupt manner that it was conducted is unacceptable and undeniable.
If the Washington Post and other media outlets expose to the mass audience this gross and negligent abuse of power, it may bring the FCSB to its knees forcing them to reverse their decision to close the school. I would recommend to the people living in the Clifton area to pursue this angle. Gather up as much evidence of FCSB wrong-doing and present it to the local media. Then let them take it from there.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
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And they're off..
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Date: January 21, 2011 01:36PM
OH SNAP! YOUR SERVE LIZ.
Greetings! From Supervisor Herrity.
Since her election in November 2009, Patty Reed has established herself as the common sense Republican leader on the school board and is one of the few School Board members that is representing her constituents and is willing to stand up and ask the tough questions of school staff. Please support the kickoff for Patty Reed's reelection campaign by either attending her kickoff event on Saturday, January 22 at 8:00 at Mantua Swim Club or by making a contribution to her campaign.
Our schools are the number one reason homeowners and businesses locate in Fairfax County and they are critical to Fairfax County's future. We need to keep Patty Reed on the school board. This will be a difficult but very winnable election for Patty. Patty was the first Republican to win in the Providence District since the 1970's but there is a growing dissatisfaction with the majority of the school board and Patty has established herself as a big part of the solution. Please join me, Congressman Tom Davis and Supervisor John Cook this Saturday so we can move our schools forward.
Greetings! From Supervisor Herrity.
Since her election in November 2009, Patty Reed has established herself as the common sense Republican leader on the school board and is one of the few School Board members that is representing her constituents and is willing to stand up and ask the tough questions of school staff. Please support the kickoff for Patty Reed's reelection campaign by either attending her kickoff event on Saturday, January 22 at 8:00 at Mantua Swim Club or by making a contribution to her campaign.
Our schools are the number one reason homeowners and businesses locate in Fairfax County and they are critical to Fairfax County's future. We need to keep Patty Reed on the school board. This will be a difficult but very winnable election for Patty. Patty was the first Republican to win in the Providence District since the 1970's but there is a growing dissatisfaction with the majority of the school board and Patty has established herself as a big part of the solution. Please join me, Congressman Tom Davis and Supervisor John Cook this Saturday so we can move our schools forward.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
1 down, 8 to go!
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Date: January 21, 2011 01:39PM
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Why close it?
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Date: January 21, 2011 01:45PM
school board scandal Wrote:
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> I am not a Clifton resident but I do find interest
> in this Clifton School closing scandal which is
> heating up around the FCSB on a daily basis. It
> appears that the closing had very little to do
> with what is best for the students and the county
> school system as a whole, but more to do with
> settling personal vendettas and achieving personal
> agendas by board members. Frequently in these
> newly disclosed e-mails disdain for the Clifton
> community is expressed and rampant for "those",
> "entitled", etc. people of Clifton. It is also
> interesting that many of the reasons for closing
> the school have disproved for example the concern
> over the quality of potable water.
> In my opinion the closing of Clifton School in the
> corrupt manner that it was conducted is
> unacceptable and undeniable.
> If the Washington Post and other media outlets
> expose to the mass audience this gross and
> negligent abuse of power, it may bring the FCSB to
> its knees forcing them to reverse their decision
> to close the school. I would recommend to the
> people living in the Clifton area to pursue this
> angle. Gather up as much evidence of FCSB
> wrong-doing and present it to the local media.
> Then let them take it from there.
I agree with everything you say. I believe it is being closed because it is small. But why can't they add onto it and move in students from the 29 corridor where the overcrowding exists. They can then move some Clifton students out to Sangster, Fairview and Oak View.
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> I am not a Clifton resident but I do find interest
> in this Clifton School closing scandal which is
> heating up around the FCSB on a daily basis. It
> appears that the closing had very little to do
> with what is best for the students and the county
> school system as a whole, but more to do with
> settling personal vendettas and achieving personal
> agendas by board members. Frequently in these
> newly disclosed e-mails disdain for the Clifton
> community is expressed and rampant for "those",
> "entitled", etc. people of Clifton. It is also
> interesting that many of the reasons for closing
> the school have disproved for example the concern
> over the quality of potable water.
> In my opinion the closing of Clifton School in the
> corrupt manner that it was conducted is
> unacceptable and undeniable.
> If the Washington Post and other media outlets
> expose to the mass audience this gross and
> negligent abuse of power, it may bring the FCSB to
> its knees forcing them to reverse their decision
> to close the school. I would recommend to the
> people living in the Clifton area to pursue this
> angle. Gather up as much evidence of FCSB
> wrong-doing and present it to the local media.
> Then let them take it from there.
I agree with everything you say. I believe it is being closed because it is small. But why can't they add onto it and move in students from the 29 corridor where the overcrowding exists. They can then move some Clifton students out to Sangster, Fairview and Oak View.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SB
()
Date: January 21, 2011 01:45PM
I want all the SB members out. Jack Dale can go too. There is NO reason to close Clifton. Not one. The SB will never admit they are wrong. Too bad kids can't vote. My kids are being hurt and FCPS could care less. Fuck FCPS!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
DunDaDaDunDunDaDaDun
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Date: January 21, 2011 02:05PM
I think it is hilarious that my enter code for posting this is "huuNG"!
Prophetic!
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
GoodNews
()
Date: January 21, 2011 05:23PM
And they're off.. Wrote:
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> OH SNAP! YOUR SERVE LIZ.
>
>
> Greetings! From Supervisor Herrity.
>
>
>
> Since her election in November 2009, Patty Reed
> has established herself as the common sense
> Republican leader on the school board and is one
> of the few School Board members that is
> representing her constituents and is willing to
> stand up and ask the tough questions of school
> staff. Please support the kickoff for Patty
> Reed's reelection campaign by either attending her
> kickoff event on Saturday, January 22 at 8:00 at
> Mantua Swim Club or by making a contribution to
> her campaign.
>
>
>
> Our schools are the number one reason homeowners
> and businesses locate in Fairfax County and they
> are critical to Fairfax County's future. We need
> to keep Patty Reed on the school board. This will
> be a difficult but very winnable election for
> Patty. Patty was the first Republican to win in
> the Providence District since the 1970's but there
> is a growing dissatisfaction with the majority of
> the school board and Patty has established herself
> as a big part of the solution. Please join me,
> Congressman Tom Davis and Supervisor John Cook
> this Saturday so we can move our schools forward.
Awesome! Patty Reed actually has common sense as compared to some of the others on the Board. This is good news for Fairfax County that she is running again!
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> OH SNAP! YOUR SERVE LIZ.
>
>
> Greetings! From Supervisor Herrity.
>
>
>
> Since her election in November 2009, Patty Reed
> has established herself as the common sense
> Republican leader on the school board and is one
> of the few School Board members that is
> representing her constituents and is willing to
> stand up and ask the tough questions of school
> staff. Please support the kickoff for Patty
> Reed's reelection campaign by either attending her
> kickoff event on Saturday, January 22 at 8:00 at
> Mantua Swim Club or by making a contribution to
> her campaign.
>
>
>
> Our schools are the number one reason homeowners
> and businesses locate in Fairfax County and they
> are critical to Fairfax County's future. We need
> to keep Patty Reed on the school board. This will
> be a difficult but very winnable election for
> Patty. Patty was the first Republican to win in
> the Providence District since the 1970's but there
> is a growing dissatisfaction with the majority of
> the school board and Patty has established herself
> as a big part of the solution. Please join me,
> Congressman Tom Davis and Supervisor John Cook
> this Saturday so we can move our schools forward.
Awesome! Patty Reed actually has common sense as compared to some of the others on the Board. This is good news for Fairfax County that she is running again!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LaughinHard
()
Date: January 21, 2011 06:13PM
And they're off.. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> OH SNAP! YOUR SERVE LIZ.
>
>
> Greetings! From Supervisor Herrity.
>
>
>
> Since her election in November 2009, Patty Reed
> has established herself as the common sense
> Republican leader on the school board and is one
> of the few School Board members that is
> representing her constituents and is willing to
> stand up and ask the tough questions of school
> staff. Please support the kickoff for Patty
> Reed's reelection campaign by either attending her
> kickoff event on Saturday, January 22 at 8:00 at
> Mantua Swim Club or by making a contribution to
> her campaign.
>
>
>
> Our schools are the number one reason homeowners
> and businesses locate in Fairfax County and they
> are critical to Fairfax County's future. We need
> to keep Patty Reed on the school board. This will
> be a difficult but very winnable election for
> Patty. Patty was the first Republican to win in
> the Providence District since the 1970's but there
> is a growing dissatisfaction with the majority of
> the school board and Patty has established herself
> as a big part of the solution. Please join me,
> Congressman Tom Davis and Supervisor John Cook
> this Saturday so we can move our schools forward.
That is so sweet, and only more so because it's true.
I'm not in Providence, but I will contribute to Patty Reed. She, Sandy Evans, and Tina Hone DO deserve support.
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> OH SNAP! YOUR SERVE LIZ.
>
>
> Greetings! From Supervisor Herrity.
>
>
>
> Since her election in November 2009, Patty Reed
> has established herself as the common sense
> Republican leader on the school board and is one
> of the few School Board members that is
> representing her constituents and is willing to
> stand up and ask the tough questions of school
> staff. Please support the kickoff for Patty
> Reed's reelection campaign by either attending her
> kickoff event on Saturday, January 22 at 8:00 at
> Mantua Swim Club or by making a contribution to
> her campaign.
>
>
>
> Our schools are the number one reason homeowners
> and businesses locate in Fairfax County and they
> are critical to Fairfax County's future. We need
> to keep Patty Reed on the school board. This will
> be a difficult but very winnable election for
> Patty. Patty was the first Republican to win in
> the Providence District since the 1970's but there
> is a growing dissatisfaction with the majority of
> the school board and Patty has established herself
> as a big part of the solution. Please join me,
> Congressman Tom Davis and Supervisor John Cook
> this Saturday so we can move our schools forward.
That is so sweet, and only more so because it's true.
I'm not in Providence, but I will contribute to Patty Reed. She, Sandy Evans, and Tina Hone DO deserve support.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Def from CliftonVV
()
Date: January 21, 2011 10:05PM
school board scandal Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I am not a Clifton resident but I do find interest
> in this Clifton School closing scandal which is
> heating up around the FCSB on a daily basis. It
> appears that the closing had very little to do
> with what is best for the students and the county
> school system as a whole, but more to do with
> settling personal vendettas and achieving personal
> agendas by board members. Frequently in these
> newly disclosed e-mails disdain for the Clifton
> community is expressed and rampant for "those",
> "entitled", etc. people of Clifton. It is also
> interesting that many of the reasons for closing
> the school have disproved for example the concern
> over the quality of potable water.
> In my opinion the closing of Clifton School in the
> corrupt manner that it was conducted is
> unacceptable and undeniable.
> If the Washington Post and other media outlets
> expose to the mass audience this gross and
> negligent abuse of power, it may bring the FCSB to
> its knees forcing them to reverse their decision
> to close the school. I would recommend to the
> people living in the Clifton area to pursue this
> angle. Gather up as much evidence of FCSB
> wrong-doing and present it to the local media.
> Then let them take it from there.
You're from Clifton, admit it!
PS, Herrity is toast in NOVA politics. Stick a fork in him, he is done!
-------------------------------------------------------
> I am not a Clifton resident but I do find interest
> in this Clifton School closing scandal which is
> heating up around the FCSB on a daily basis. It
> appears that the closing had very little to do
> with what is best for the students and the county
> school system as a whole, but more to do with
> settling personal vendettas and achieving personal
> agendas by board members. Frequently in these
> newly disclosed e-mails disdain for the Clifton
> community is expressed and rampant for "those",
> "entitled", etc. people of Clifton. It is also
> interesting that many of the reasons for closing
> the school have disproved for example the concern
> over the quality of potable water.
> In my opinion the closing of Clifton School in the
> corrupt manner that it was conducted is
> unacceptable and undeniable.
> If the Washington Post and other media outlets
> expose to the mass audience this gross and
> negligent abuse of power, it may bring the FCSB to
> its knees forcing them to reverse their decision
> to close the school. I would recommend to the
> people living in the Clifton area to pursue this
> angle. Gather up as much evidence of FCSB
> wrong-doing and present it to the local media.
> Then let them take it from there.
You're from Clifton, admit it!
PS, Herrity is toast in NOVA politics. Stick a fork in him, he is done!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: January 22, 2011 12:23AM
1 down, 8 to go! Wrote:
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> http://reston.patch.com/articles/gibson-wont-seek-
> re-election-for-school-board-seat
Ranney's moving to Ohio, Center isn't running for re-election and neither is Wilson.
BTW, we knew Gibson wasn't running last September.
Now, what are you doing to get rid of Smith and Strauss!
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> http://reston.patch.com/articles/gibson-wont-seek-
> re-election-for-school-board-seat
Ranney's moving to Ohio, Center isn't running for re-election and neither is Wilson.
BTW, we knew Gibson wasn't running last September.
Now, what are you doing to get rid of Smith and Strauss!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Peanut gallery
()
Date: January 22, 2011 10:22AM
To the Editor:
Recently, Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) Superintendent Jack Dale presented the School Board with his proposal for next year’s budget. The proposed $2.2 billion budget outlines programs and services for our growing and increasingly diverse student population. It also includes funds to give eligible employees a step increase and a market scale adjustment after two years without any increase in compensation.
Our population will grow by a projected 2,120 students next year. We project that in 2012, one in four students will be eligible for free and reduced-price meals, a federal indicator of poverty — making that the fastest growing segment of our population. We expect to see a 15 percent increase in the number of students whose first language is not English. There will be increased costs to comply with the mandated online testing requirement for all students taking the Virginia Standards of Learning (SOL) tests.
We cannot meet the needs of our staff and students without adequate resources. That is why Superintendent Dale has included in his proposal a request to the Board of Supervisors for an increase of 3 percent, or $48.8 million, in the transfer of funds over the FY 2011 level. This reflects a realistic set of needs.
Difficult times require difficult choices. The Fairfax County School Board has shown great fiscal responsibility during tough economic times. In the past three years (FY 2009-FY2011), FCPS took reductions and cost avoidances totaling more than $465 million and eliminated more than 1,400 positions.
It is time now to compensate our employees for their outstanding work that has kept FCPS a leader in student achievement. Additionally, our starting teacher salaries have declined over the last two years and we need to bring those salaries up so we can continue to attract the most qualified teachers to our classrooms and remain competitive with neighboring jurisdictions.
Now the School Board needs to hear from you as we consider the superintendent’s proposal over the next few weeks, then move to adopt the advertised budget on Feb. 3. Here’s what you can do to get involved. First, learn more about the budget by visiting www.fcps.edu where you’ll find extensive details on all aspects of the budget and the process. Second, sign up to speak at our public hearing on Jan. 24-25. Third, attend the School Board’s Budget Forum to be held on Saturday, Feb. 26, at Falls Church High School.
We are a successful school system, and our success draws business to the area, making a major contribution to the economic engine of the community. Public education in Fairfax County is a source of pride and honor and should remain that way. We need the continued support and involvement of citizens to ensure that it does.
Kathy Smith, Chairman, Fairfax County School Board
DID I MISS SOMETHING? WHERE ARE THE PIRRANAHS? THE CARTOONS? THE FODDER THAT I'VE COME TO RELY ON WITH MY MORNING COFFEE? "FAIRFAX COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD HAS SHOWN GREAT FISCAL RESTRAINT." HOW DID YOU ALL LET ONE GET BY?
Recently, Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) Superintendent Jack Dale presented the School Board with his proposal for next year’s budget. The proposed $2.2 billion budget outlines programs and services for our growing and increasingly diverse student population. It also includes funds to give eligible employees a step increase and a market scale adjustment after two years without any increase in compensation.
Our population will grow by a projected 2,120 students next year. We project that in 2012, one in four students will be eligible for free and reduced-price meals, a federal indicator of poverty — making that the fastest growing segment of our population. We expect to see a 15 percent increase in the number of students whose first language is not English. There will be increased costs to comply with the mandated online testing requirement for all students taking the Virginia Standards of Learning (SOL) tests.
We cannot meet the needs of our staff and students without adequate resources. That is why Superintendent Dale has included in his proposal a request to the Board of Supervisors for an increase of 3 percent, or $48.8 million, in the transfer of funds over the FY 2011 level. This reflects a realistic set of needs.
Difficult times require difficult choices. The Fairfax County School Board has shown great fiscal responsibility during tough economic times. In the past three years (FY 2009-FY2011), FCPS took reductions and cost avoidances totaling more than $465 million and eliminated more than 1,400 positions.
It is time now to compensate our employees for their outstanding work that has kept FCPS a leader in student achievement. Additionally, our starting teacher salaries have declined over the last two years and we need to bring those salaries up so we can continue to attract the most qualified teachers to our classrooms and remain competitive with neighboring jurisdictions.
Now the School Board needs to hear from you as we consider the superintendent’s proposal over the next few weeks, then move to adopt the advertised budget on Feb. 3. Here’s what you can do to get involved. First, learn more about the budget by visiting www.fcps.edu where you’ll find extensive details on all aspects of the budget and the process. Second, sign up to speak at our public hearing on Jan. 24-25. Third, attend the School Board’s Budget Forum to be held on Saturday, Feb. 26, at Falls Church High School.
We are a successful school system, and our success draws business to the area, making a major contribution to the economic engine of the community. Public education in Fairfax County is a source of pride and honor and should remain that way. We need the continued support and involvement of citizens to ensure that it does.
Kathy Smith, Chairman, Fairfax County School Board
DID I MISS SOMETHING? WHERE ARE THE PIRRANAHS? THE CARTOONS? THE FODDER THAT I'VE COME TO RELY ON WITH MY MORNING COFFEE? "FAIRFAX COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD HAS SHOWN GREAT FISCAL RESTRAINT." HOW DID YOU ALL LET ONE GET BY?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Janie Fan
()
Date: January 22, 2011 11:29AM
Thomas More Wrote:
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> 1 down, 8 to go! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://reston.patch.com/articles/gibson-wont-seek-
>
> > re-election-for-school-board-seat
>
> Ranney's moving to Ohio, Center isn't running for
> re-election and neither is Wilson.
>
> BTW, we knew Gibson wasn't running last
> September.
>
> Now, what are you doing to get rid of Smith and
> Strauss!
Janie has the seat as long as she wants it. I guess the local Democrats could refuse to endorse her, but then it would just go to a Republican picked by Barbara Comstock and her friends.
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> 1 down, 8 to go! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://reston.patch.com/articles/gibson-wont-seek-
>
> > re-election-for-school-board-seat
>
> Ranney's moving to Ohio, Center isn't running for
> re-election and neither is Wilson.
>
> BTW, we knew Gibson wasn't running last
> September.
>
> Now, what are you doing to get rid of Smith and
> Strauss!
Janie has the seat as long as she wants it. I guess the local Democrats could refuse to endorse her, but then it would just go to a Republican picked by Barbara Comstock and her friends.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: January 22, 2011 11:29PM
Janie Fan Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas More Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 1 down, 8 to go! Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> >
> http://reston.patch.com/articles/gibson-wont-seek-
>
> >
> > > re-election-for-school-board-seat
> >
> > Ranney's moving to Ohio, Center isn't running
> for
> > re-election and neither is Wilson.
> >
> > BTW, we knew Gibson wasn't running last
> > September.
> >
> > Now, what are you doing to get rid of Smith and
> > Strauss!
>
> Janie has the seat as long as she wants it. I
> guess the local Democrats could refuse to endorse
> her, but then it would just go to a Republican
> picked by Barbara Comstock and her friends.
Folks at Herndon HS & McLean HS aren't happy with her obsession with Langley. If challenge is the Dranesville Democratic Committee, she could lose. Even if she wins there the rest of FCDC has to agree to endorse.
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> Thomas More Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 1 down, 8 to go! Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> >
> http://reston.patch.com/articles/gibson-wont-seek-
>
> >
> > > re-election-for-school-board-seat
> >
> > Ranney's moving to Ohio, Center isn't running
> for
> > re-election and neither is Wilson.
> >
> > BTW, we knew Gibson wasn't running last
> > September.
> >
> > Now, what are you doing to get rid of Smith and
> > Strauss!
>
> Janie has the seat as long as she wants it. I
> guess the local Democrats could refuse to endorse
> her, but then it would just go to a Republican
> picked by Barbara Comstock and her friends.
Folks at Herndon HS & McLean HS aren't happy with her obsession with Langley. If challenge is the Dranesville Democratic Committee, she could lose. Even if she wins there the rest of FCDC has to agree to endorse.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Steamrolled
()
Date: January 23, 2011 12:59AM
When will they get the message?
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
updater
()
Date: January 23, 2011 01:14AM
Thomas More Wrote:
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> 1 down, 8 to go! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://reston.patch.com/articles/gibson-wont-seek-
>
> > re-election-for-school-board-seat
>
> Ranney's moving to Ohio, Center isn't running for
> re-election and neither is Wilson.
>
> BTW, we knew Gibson wasn't running last
> September.
>
> Now, what are you doing to get rid of Smith and
> Strauss!
yo - yo - yo - four down and five to go!
Attachments:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 1 down, 8 to go! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://reston.patch.com/articles/gibson-wont-seek-
>
> > re-election-for-school-board-seat
>
> Ranney's moving to Ohio, Center isn't running for
> re-election and neither is Wilson.
>
> BTW, we knew Gibson wasn't running last
> September.
>
> Now, what are you doing to get rid of Smith and
> Strauss!
yo - yo - yo - four down and five to go!
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 23, 2011 05:51PM
Bradsher is as good as gone! No worries there.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To Liz Bradsher?
()
Date: January 23, 2011 06:01PM
I hope she quits from the stress. Maybe we should go over her e-mails with a fine tooth comb. Just like FCPS does to the students. She is a DRUNK and a liar. Is this what we want for our schools or our students. She is not a leader and should not define what kids can and cannot due in FCPS. We need her to sign a code of ethics!
I think Liz Bradsher is one cause of teen suicide in the schools. She drives us all CRAZY.
I think Liz Bradsher is one cause of teen suicide in the schools. She drives us all CRAZY.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I regret the last line I just wrote above.
()
Date: January 23, 2011 06:05PM
Mental illness is nothing to laugh about.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Animorpher
()
Date: January 23, 2011 08:33PM
The word is out that Liz continues to call and hound PTA presidents and members. Now Kathy Smith is in the mix. Who do they think they are?
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Decry this
()
Date: January 24, 2011 12:40AM
How does Bradsher get around emails like this?
Reading these, but this just stuck out.
Plain as day what she wanted to have happen and then did.
Attachments:
Reading these, but this just stuck out.
Plain as day what she wanted to have happen and then did.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
School board scandal
()
Date: January 24, 2011 09:40AM
It is not surprising that a SB member is calling it quits ahead of the impending storm. With this alleged corruption story heating up and starting to unravel, this school closing scandal may soon blow wide open. I expect more school board members to follow suit and head for the hills. One may even head to the Moon. I wonder whether criminal prosecution could be on the table for some of the unethical misdoings involved in this case.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Janie Fan
()
Date: January 24, 2011 10:27AM
Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Folks at Herndon HS & McLean HS aren't happy with
> her obsession with Langley. If challenge is the
> Dranesville Democratic Committee, she could lose.
> Even if she wins there the rest of FCDC has to
> agree to endorse.
Folks in Great Falls, McLean and Vienna are happy with Janie. Reston isn't Dranesville, and she's not an idiot like Bradsher.
Maybe she'll do a Gibson and not run for reelection again. But any candidate in Dranesville is going to protect Langley and McLean.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Folks at Herndon HS & McLean HS aren't happy with
> her obsession with Langley. If challenge is the
> Dranesville Democratic Committee, she could lose.
> Even if she wins there the rest of FCDC has to
> agree to endorse.
Folks in Great Falls, McLean and Vienna are happy with Janie. Reston isn't Dranesville, and she's not an idiot like Bradsher.
Maybe she'll do a Gibson and not run for reelection again. But any candidate in Dranesville is going to protect Langley and McLean.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
who's on the case?
()
Date: January 24, 2011 01:14PM
Hey Clifton parents, have you looked into this?
----------
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:56 PM
To: James, Denise; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE: Thank you
....
Enough from me in one day, running down to DC for the competitive libation prices!
See you tonight,
Liz
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Here is the Virginia law:
Importing Alcoholic Beverages
No more than one gallon of alcoholic beverages (or the metric equivalent) may be brought into Virginia from outside the Commonwealth, excepting shipments to the commission or its licensees, or new residents under special permits.
Anyone who transports more than such quantity of alcoholic beverages per adult in possession of the bonafide owner may be arrested, fined up to $2,500, and sentenced to a year in jail. In addition, the vehicle involved may be impounded and confiscated.
Alcoholic beverages includes wine, beer, or distilled spirits. This restriction applies not only to those alcoholic beverages brought into Virginia from other states or the District of Columbia, but also from defense installations.
https://www.abc.virginia.gov/enforce/shippinginfo.html
-------
Now presumably, someone who makes a 1 hr trip to buy liquor buys in bulk. So you have in the e-mail above at least the possibility of a violation of Virginia law. I wonder how much Liz brings back with her from DC? Does this comport with the SR&R? Would it violate a Zero Tolerance policy?
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From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:56 PM
To: James, Denise; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE: Thank you
....
Enough from me in one day, running down to DC for the competitive libation prices!
See you tonight,
Liz
-------
Here is the Virginia law:
Importing Alcoholic Beverages
No more than one gallon of alcoholic beverages (or the metric equivalent) may be brought into Virginia from outside the Commonwealth, excepting shipments to the commission or its licensees, or new residents under special permits.
Anyone who transports more than such quantity of alcoholic beverages per adult in possession of the bonafide owner may be arrested, fined up to $2,500, and sentenced to a year in jail. In addition, the vehicle involved may be impounded and confiscated.
Alcoholic beverages includes wine, beer, or distilled spirits. This restriction applies not only to those alcoholic beverages brought into Virginia from other states or the District of Columbia, but also from defense installations.
https://www.abc.virginia.gov/enforce/shippinginfo.html
-------
Now presumably, someone who makes a 1 hr trip to buy liquor buys in bulk. So you have in the e-mail above at least the possibility of a violation of Virginia law. I wonder how much Liz brings back with her from DC? Does this comport with the SR&R? Would it violate a Zero Tolerance policy?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Look at the above post!
()
Date: January 24, 2011 07:53PM
What a joke! Liz is a lush. This is the same person who can vote to expel a student in the FCPS. Does anyone else see a problem with this?
Kids are KILLING themselves over votes she has been a part of?
When will the madness stop? It will stop when we ALL start to care about all the students in the FCPS.
Community schools help out each other. Liz Bradsher is not a part of my community. She said she was but she lied.
Kids are KILLING themselves over votes she has been a part of?
When will the madness stop? It will stop when we ALL start to care about all the students in the FCPS.
Community schools help out each other. Liz Bradsher is not a part of my community. She said she was but she lied.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Stop
()
Date: January 24, 2011 11:27PM
Unlisted Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why is Liz Bradshere calling all the PTAs in the
> boundary study?
>
> Our PTA president was pretty upset. Is it normal
> for a school board representative to call PTA
> officers and try to get them to do what the school
> board wants?
>
> This seems very strange right before the public
> hearing about the boundary changes (the latest
> changes see to be what the school board wants, so
> now they are pressuring PTAs to get in line with
> them?).
>
> Very big brother.
Check out stopbullyingnow.com. Does you feel like any of it applies?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why is Liz Bradshere calling all the PTAs in the
> boundary study?
>
> Our PTA president was pretty upset. Is it normal
> for a school board representative to call PTA
> officers and try to get them to do what the school
> board wants?
>
> This seems very strange right before the public
> hearing about the boundary changes (the latest
> changes see to be what the school board wants, so
> now they are pressuring PTAs to get in line with
> them?).
>
> Very big brother.
Check out stopbullyingnow.com. Does you feel like any of it applies?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Verklempt
()
Date: January 25, 2011 01:42AM
"Talk amongst yourselves." Oh. You already did?
VGLA scandal. Achievement gap. 25% of student population in poverty. Crumbling infrastructure in many schools. Exploding population and no plan to accomodate it. Growing diversity. Chronically sleep deprived student population. Closing Graham Road and Clifton Elementaries. Unethical boorish behavior toward one another and their district's populations in public and in private, if not illegal by email. Annual budget deathmatch with the Supervisors. Denying a disabled student access to school with a service dog. Suicides-DEATH of students.
Meeting Jan 22, 2011 - School Board Retreat No. 3
Retreat Agenda
Fairfax High School
George Stepp Library
Saturday, January 22, 2011
9:00 a.m. Book Discussion - The Four Agreements, Don Miguel Ruiz
10:45 a.m. School Board Member Roles and Responsibilities
12:15 p.m. Adjourn
Living the Four Agreements: A life changing Journey
In the best selling book The Four Agreements don Miguel Ruiz gives four principles to practice in order to create love and happiness in your life. Adopting and committing to these agreements is simple. Actually living and keeping these Four Agreements can be one of the hardest things you will ever do. It can also be one of he most life changing things you will ever do.
As you practice living these four practices your life will dramatically change. In the beginning these new habits will be challenging and you will lapse countless times. With practice these agreements become integrated into your being and every area of your life and become easy habits to keep.
The Four Agreements are:
1. Be Impeccable with your Word: Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the Word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your Word in the direction of truth and love.
2. Don’t Take Anything Personally
Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won’t be the victim of needless suffering.
3. Don’t Make Assumptions
Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.
4. Always Do Your Best
Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse, and regret.
Understanding how to Integrate and Live the practices
Upon reading don Miguel’s wisdom many people have their eyes opened to a new possibility for living life. They get excited when they see the potential for happiness, love, and respect with themselves and their relationships. What they fail to see is the challenges and resistance the mind will have to living just one of the agreements. Don Miguel briefly mentions these challenges in his book, but people fixate on the four chapters with the agreements and seem to miss these other important points. This is often the set up for expectations that lead to disappointment and frustration.
Domestication
During our early life we began making agreements. Our parents rewarded us when we did what they wanted and they punished us when we didn’t. We also learned behaviors and habits in school, church, and from other adults and children on the playground. The tools of reward and punishment were often emotional and sometimes physical. The impact of other people’s opinions and reactions to us became a very strong force in the habits we created. In this process we created agreements in our mind of who we should be, what we shouldn’t be, who we were, and who we were not. Over time we learned to live our life based on the agreements in our own mind. We learned to live according to the agreements that came from the opinion of others. In this process of domestication it turns out that the choices we make and the life we live is more driven by the opinions we learned from others than one we would choose on our own.
Why Living the Four Agreements Is Such a Challenge
We have out of years of habit not paid attention to how we express our self. The responses that come out of our mouth are often automatic. They were learned from years of habit living by the agreements we learned. We do not consciously choose our words, or the emotion, tone, and attitude that we express.
Over years our mind has filled with beliefs that generate incessant thinking. In all that thinking we have many assumptions that we are not aware of. We even make the assumption that what we think is true. We imagine and assume what others think of us and how they will react. We also assume that the judgments and self criticisms we have are true. We have learned to make so many assumptions that we aren’t aware of. These assumptions are not the truth. These assumptions and the faith we express in them is just one way that we are not impeccable with our word.
Through our domestication we have also learned to take things personally. We assume that when someone has an opinion about us that their opinion is valid. Their opinion becomes our belief about our self. We end up having an emotional reaction to our own belief because we assumed their opinion it is true. We can also take personally our own opinions. We take personally our own self judgments. These self judgments are nothing more than an assumption. Over years the mind has developed many habits of making assumptions and taking them personally.
Just because you adopt the Four Agreements doesn’t mean that all these habits in the mind will stop with that commitment.
When you decide to change your life and adopt the Four Agreements you are challenging the beliefs you learned and the habits you practiced since your childhood domestication.
Adopting the Four Agreements creates a conflict in the mind between expressing your self Impeccably with love and your existing fear based beliefs.
Avoiding Double Jeopardy
One of the hidden assumptions that people often make when adopting the Four Agreements is about time. Without awareness the mind makes the assumption that they should immediately be able to keep the Four Agreements 100% of the time. The mind completely ignores that there are already existing agreements and habits of taking things personally that have been in place for years.
With the expectation of the new agreement that we will not break any of the Four Agreements we are set up for failure. We have an emotional reaction and take something personally which feels bad. (but is completely normal part of our old habits) But then the inner judge reprimands us for failing to not take something personally. Now we feel twice as bad. The inner judge tells us that we failed and the voice of the victim in the mind accepts this proposal.
The result is that we are not only upset, but we also feel like a failure. If you just look at your emotional state at this point it will seem like things are getting worse instead of better. It can seem like attempting to keep the Four Agreements is causing more problems and making you feel worse.
If you are aware that you are judging your self for taking something personally it can get worse. Your inner judge might use that awareness to judge and reject your self for judging your self for taking something personally. In the beginning of this process the myriad of voices in your head are likely to use your new found awareness as material for self judgment. This is when the fourth agreement, Always Do Your Best, is most important. It gives you immunity from self judgment. Your best isn’t perfect practice of these agreements on day one. Your best will improve over time as you practice. Just like walking, learning a language, or playing a sport.
Awakening
In actuality the problem is not that you adopted the Four Agreements. Nor is the problem that you are a failure. What is really happening is that you are having an awakening. You are waking up to how your mind makes assumptions, has emotional reactions, and is so quick to make self judgments. These realizations about the belief system in your mind are not usually pleasant but are part of an awakening. It is usually uncomfortable realization but through it your awareness is growing.
With some more awareness and practice you can move beyond this uncomfortable awakening about the mind. You will come to see that it is not You that is judging your self for failing. It is the inner judge. With practice you will see the ridiculous expectations and assumptions for what they are and not feel like a failure when you lapse in your journey to impeccability. This comes as you gain more awareness and gain more personal power over your agreements.
The Challenge of a Spiritual Warrior
Don Miguel refers to some of these challenges throughout the book. However, in the excitement of the Truth in what don Miguel writes, people often overlook where he points out that this endeavor is not easy. The agreements may be simple, but he never says they are easy to keep.
At the same time living the Four Agreements has taken me on the most rewarding and profound journey of happiness and fulfillment beyond anything I could have imagined. The hard work in the beginning is rewarded to me in every interaction every day of my life. This is a very big return for a small investment of time and effort.
Don Miguel refers to people who decide to adopt the Four Agreements and create love and happiness in their life Spiritual Warriors. It is Spiritual because it is about living your Life. It is also referred to as a war because you are challenging the old fear based beliefs in your mind. It will take more than a week and a half to break free of fear, the tyranny of the inner judge, and old emotional habits. There will be some battles lost along the way, but that is of minor concern in the longer term strategy of creating happiness in your life.
The Quest for Personal Freedom
The quest of a Spiritual Warrior is for Personal Freedom. Personal Freedom means freedom from fear, illusions, and the fear based beliefs in the mind. In essence it means to win the war over the beliefs in the mind. It is with Personal Freedom that we are free of the human condition of emotional suffering. Spiritual traditions around the world have their own names for this state of awareness including nirvana and heaven. It is a state that is simply described as living your life with unconditional love, gratitude, and respect, for your self, and for others.
The Opportunity
I’ve spent many years personally studying with don Miguel Ruiz. After my life and relationships were completely transformed I asked him if there was anything that I could do for him in return. He said, “If you want to, share with others what you have learned and how you live your life so they can be happy as well.â€
That help has taken the form of material on my web sites, personal coaching guidance, online audio course in Self Mastery, and Spiritual Intensive Journeys. I am also working on a book about my experiences.
There are many practical actions you can take to speed up changing your life and live more impeccably In my years of study with don Miguel what he has written in his books is a small fraction of his teachings.
While don Miguel is no longer teaching, you can still learn the practices, process, wisdom and insights from those he trained. You are invited to take advantage of the material in my web sites, my personal coaching services, and the workshops and Power Journeys I lead.
The best place to start is the Self Mastery Audio Series. It is a self paced program of mp3 audio files that you download and listen to. Each session has very specific practical exercises to help you implement aspects of mastering the Four Agreements. The first four sessions are free so that you can sample the material and see if it will work for you. The next 10 sessions are only $99.
As an alternative you can listen to many of the free mp3 audios that I have placed on line that deal with issues like, How not to take thing personally, Changing Core Beliefs, Free Will, Feeling Not Good Enough, Hidden Assumptions, Do We Have Free Will, and others.
I wish you much Love, Joy, and Laughter in your Journey,
Gary van Warmerdam
Gary van Warmerdam is a Guide for individuals seeking a life of Love, Gratitude, and freedom from fear and judgments. He has spent over 15 years personally studying and learning from don Miguel Ruiz, author of The Four Agreements and other best selling books. He is available for personal coaching. You can reach him at 805-742-4131.
VGLA scandal. Achievement gap. 25% of student population in poverty. Crumbling infrastructure in many schools. Exploding population and no plan to accomodate it. Growing diversity. Chronically sleep deprived student population. Closing Graham Road and Clifton Elementaries. Unethical boorish behavior toward one another and their district's populations in public and in private, if not illegal by email. Annual budget deathmatch with the Supervisors. Denying a disabled student access to school with a service dog. Suicides-DEATH of students.
Meeting Jan 22, 2011 - School Board Retreat No. 3
Retreat Agenda
Fairfax High School
George Stepp Library
Saturday, January 22, 2011
9:00 a.m. Book Discussion - The Four Agreements, Don Miguel Ruiz
10:45 a.m. School Board Member Roles and Responsibilities
12:15 p.m. Adjourn
Living the Four Agreements: A life changing Journey
In the best selling book The Four Agreements don Miguel Ruiz gives four principles to practice in order to create love and happiness in your life. Adopting and committing to these agreements is simple. Actually living and keeping these Four Agreements can be one of the hardest things you will ever do. It can also be one of he most life changing things you will ever do.
As you practice living these four practices your life will dramatically change. In the beginning these new habits will be challenging and you will lapse countless times. With practice these agreements become integrated into your being and every area of your life and become easy habits to keep.
The Four Agreements are:
1. Be Impeccable with your Word: Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the Word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your Word in the direction of truth and love.
2. Don’t Take Anything Personally
Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won’t be the victim of needless suffering.
3. Don’t Make Assumptions
Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.
4. Always Do Your Best
Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse, and regret.
Understanding how to Integrate and Live the practices
Upon reading don Miguel’s wisdom many people have their eyes opened to a new possibility for living life. They get excited when they see the potential for happiness, love, and respect with themselves and their relationships. What they fail to see is the challenges and resistance the mind will have to living just one of the agreements. Don Miguel briefly mentions these challenges in his book, but people fixate on the four chapters with the agreements and seem to miss these other important points. This is often the set up for expectations that lead to disappointment and frustration.
Domestication
During our early life we began making agreements. Our parents rewarded us when we did what they wanted and they punished us when we didn’t. We also learned behaviors and habits in school, church, and from other adults and children on the playground. The tools of reward and punishment were often emotional and sometimes physical. The impact of other people’s opinions and reactions to us became a very strong force in the habits we created. In this process we created agreements in our mind of who we should be, what we shouldn’t be, who we were, and who we were not. Over time we learned to live our life based on the agreements in our own mind. We learned to live according to the agreements that came from the opinion of others. In this process of domestication it turns out that the choices we make and the life we live is more driven by the opinions we learned from others than one we would choose on our own.
Why Living the Four Agreements Is Such a Challenge
We have out of years of habit not paid attention to how we express our self. The responses that come out of our mouth are often automatic. They were learned from years of habit living by the agreements we learned. We do not consciously choose our words, or the emotion, tone, and attitude that we express.
Over years our mind has filled with beliefs that generate incessant thinking. In all that thinking we have many assumptions that we are not aware of. We even make the assumption that what we think is true. We imagine and assume what others think of us and how they will react. We also assume that the judgments and self criticisms we have are true. We have learned to make so many assumptions that we aren’t aware of. These assumptions are not the truth. These assumptions and the faith we express in them is just one way that we are not impeccable with our word.
Through our domestication we have also learned to take things personally. We assume that when someone has an opinion about us that their opinion is valid. Their opinion becomes our belief about our self. We end up having an emotional reaction to our own belief because we assumed their opinion it is true. We can also take personally our own opinions. We take personally our own self judgments. These self judgments are nothing more than an assumption. Over years the mind has developed many habits of making assumptions and taking them personally.
Just because you adopt the Four Agreements doesn’t mean that all these habits in the mind will stop with that commitment.
When you decide to change your life and adopt the Four Agreements you are challenging the beliefs you learned and the habits you practiced since your childhood domestication.
Adopting the Four Agreements creates a conflict in the mind between expressing your self Impeccably with love and your existing fear based beliefs.
Avoiding Double Jeopardy
One of the hidden assumptions that people often make when adopting the Four Agreements is about time. Without awareness the mind makes the assumption that they should immediately be able to keep the Four Agreements 100% of the time. The mind completely ignores that there are already existing agreements and habits of taking things personally that have been in place for years.
With the expectation of the new agreement that we will not break any of the Four Agreements we are set up for failure. We have an emotional reaction and take something personally which feels bad. (but is completely normal part of our old habits) But then the inner judge reprimands us for failing to not take something personally. Now we feel twice as bad. The inner judge tells us that we failed and the voice of the victim in the mind accepts this proposal.
The result is that we are not only upset, but we also feel like a failure. If you just look at your emotional state at this point it will seem like things are getting worse instead of better. It can seem like attempting to keep the Four Agreements is causing more problems and making you feel worse.
If you are aware that you are judging your self for taking something personally it can get worse. Your inner judge might use that awareness to judge and reject your self for judging your self for taking something personally. In the beginning of this process the myriad of voices in your head are likely to use your new found awareness as material for self judgment. This is when the fourth agreement, Always Do Your Best, is most important. It gives you immunity from self judgment. Your best isn’t perfect practice of these agreements on day one. Your best will improve over time as you practice. Just like walking, learning a language, or playing a sport.
Awakening
In actuality the problem is not that you adopted the Four Agreements. Nor is the problem that you are a failure. What is really happening is that you are having an awakening. You are waking up to how your mind makes assumptions, has emotional reactions, and is so quick to make self judgments. These realizations about the belief system in your mind are not usually pleasant but are part of an awakening. It is usually uncomfortable realization but through it your awareness is growing.
With some more awareness and practice you can move beyond this uncomfortable awakening about the mind. You will come to see that it is not You that is judging your self for failing. It is the inner judge. With practice you will see the ridiculous expectations and assumptions for what they are and not feel like a failure when you lapse in your journey to impeccability. This comes as you gain more awareness and gain more personal power over your agreements.
The Challenge of a Spiritual Warrior
Don Miguel refers to some of these challenges throughout the book. However, in the excitement of the Truth in what don Miguel writes, people often overlook where he points out that this endeavor is not easy. The agreements may be simple, but he never says they are easy to keep.
At the same time living the Four Agreements has taken me on the most rewarding and profound journey of happiness and fulfillment beyond anything I could have imagined. The hard work in the beginning is rewarded to me in every interaction every day of my life. This is a very big return for a small investment of time and effort.
Don Miguel refers to people who decide to adopt the Four Agreements and create love and happiness in their life Spiritual Warriors. It is Spiritual because it is about living your Life. It is also referred to as a war because you are challenging the old fear based beliefs in your mind. It will take more than a week and a half to break free of fear, the tyranny of the inner judge, and old emotional habits. There will be some battles lost along the way, but that is of minor concern in the longer term strategy of creating happiness in your life.
The Quest for Personal Freedom
The quest of a Spiritual Warrior is for Personal Freedom. Personal Freedom means freedom from fear, illusions, and the fear based beliefs in the mind. In essence it means to win the war over the beliefs in the mind. It is with Personal Freedom that we are free of the human condition of emotional suffering. Spiritual traditions around the world have their own names for this state of awareness including nirvana and heaven. It is a state that is simply described as living your life with unconditional love, gratitude, and respect, for your self, and for others.
The Opportunity
I’ve spent many years personally studying with don Miguel Ruiz. After my life and relationships were completely transformed I asked him if there was anything that I could do for him in return. He said, “If you want to, share with others what you have learned and how you live your life so they can be happy as well.â€
That help has taken the form of material on my web sites, personal coaching guidance, online audio course in Self Mastery, and Spiritual Intensive Journeys. I am also working on a book about my experiences.
There are many practical actions you can take to speed up changing your life and live more impeccably In my years of study with don Miguel what he has written in his books is a small fraction of his teachings.
While don Miguel is no longer teaching, you can still learn the practices, process, wisdom and insights from those he trained. You are invited to take advantage of the material in my web sites, my personal coaching services, and the workshops and Power Journeys I lead.
The best place to start is the Self Mastery Audio Series. It is a self paced program of mp3 audio files that you download and listen to. Each session has very specific practical exercises to help you implement aspects of mastering the Four Agreements. The first four sessions are free so that you can sample the material and see if it will work for you. The next 10 sessions are only $99.
As an alternative you can listen to many of the free mp3 audios that I have placed on line that deal with issues like, How not to take thing personally, Changing Core Beliefs, Free Will, Feeling Not Good Enough, Hidden Assumptions, Do We Have Free Will, and others.
I wish you much Love, Joy, and Laughter in your Journey,
Gary van Warmerdam
Gary van Warmerdam is a Guide for individuals seeking a life of Love, Gratitude, and freedom from fear and judgments. He has spent over 15 years personally studying and learning from don Miguel Ruiz, author of The Four Agreements and other best selling books. He is available for personal coaching. You can reach him at 805-742-4131.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
joke
()
Date: January 25, 2011 03:01PM
This must be a joke. They can't really possibly be spending our tax dollars on a retreat where they are going to talk about gibberish while our teachers are working hard educating students on pay freezes. Are these people for real?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I thought it was a JOKE
()
Date: January 25, 2011 04:30PM
If that retreat is real we should all show up and protest. Stop wasting our tax money on bullshit stuff for the admin office. Get real and give out teachers a raise.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
too late to protest
()
Date: January 25, 2011 04:34PM
Fairfax County School Board
Retreat Agenda
Fairfax High School
George Stepp Library
Saturday, January 22, 2011
Saturday, January 22
9:00 a.m. Book Discussion - The Four Agreements, Don Miguel Ruiz
10:45 a.m. School Board Member Roles and Responsibilities
12:15 p.m. Adjourn
Retreat Agenda
Fairfax High School
George Stepp Library
Saturday, January 22, 2011
Saturday, January 22
9:00 a.m. Book Discussion - The Four Agreements, Don Miguel Ruiz
10:45 a.m. School Board Member Roles and Responsibilities
12:15 p.m. Adjourn
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
what a joke!
()
Date: January 25, 2011 04:40PM
from Wikipedia:
--
Don Miguel Ãngel Ruiz (born 1952), better known as Don Miguel Ruiz, is a Mexican author of New Age spiritualist and neoshamanistic texts.
Neoshamanism, or Neo-Shamanism is a term signaling a "new" form or a revival of an old form of "Shamanism", a system that comprises a range of beliefs and practices concerned with communication with the spiritual world.
Shamanism is an anthropological term referencing a range of beliefs and practices regarding communication with the spiritual world.[2] A practitioner of shamanism is known as a shaman (pronounced /ˈʃɑËmÉ™n/ "SHAH-men"or /ˈʃeɪmÉ™n/ "SHAY-men").[3]
Shamanism encompasses the belief that shamans are intermediaries or messengers between the human world and the spirit worlds. Shamans are said to treat ailments/illness by mending the soul. Alleviating traumas affecting the soul/spirit restores the physical body of the individual to balance and wholeness. The shaman also enters supernatural realms or dimensions to obtain solutions to problems afflicting the community. Shamans may visit other worlds/dimensions to bring guidance to misguided souls and to ameliorate illnesses of the human soul caused by foreign elements. The shaman operates primarily within the spiritual world, which in turn affects the human world. The restoration of balance results in the elimination of the ailment.[4]
--
Maybe that Shaman can do something about the budget deficit or all those pesky Clifton ES FOIA requests!
--
Don Miguel Ãngel Ruiz (born 1952), better known as Don Miguel Ruiz, is a Mexican author of New Age spiritualist and neoshamanistic texts.
Neoshamanism, or Neo-Shamanism is a term signaling a "new" form or a revival of an old form of "Shamanism", a system that comprises a range of beliefs and practices concerned with communication with the spiritual world.
Shamanism is an anthropological term referencing a range of beliefs and practices regarding communication with the spiritual world.[2] A practitioner of shamanism is known as a shaman (pronounced /ˈʃɑËmÉ™n/ "SHAH-men"or /ˈʃeɪmÉ™n/ "SHAY-men").[3]
Shamanism encompasses the belief that shamans are intermediaries or messengers between the human world and the spirit worlds. Shamans are said to treat ailments/illness by mending the soul. Alleviating traumas affecting the soul/spirit restores the physical body of the individual to balance and wholeness. The shaman also enters supernatural realms or dimensions to obtain solutions to problems afflicting the community. Shamans may visit other worlds/dimensions to bring guidance to misguided souls and to ameliorate illnesses of the human soul caused by foreign elements. The shaman operates primarily within the spiritual world, which in turn affects the human world. The restoration of balance results in the elimination of the ailment.[4]
--
Maybe that Shaman can do something about the budget deficit or all those pesky Clifton ES FOIA requests!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
change
()
Date: January 25, 2011 07:45PM
Our students are falling behind in the world and educational standards are diminishing and is it any wonder why when you look at what the people that are making the decisions about how they are to be educated are spending their time? The main discussion in their retreat pretty much sums up why America is falling behind. This is the leadership that is running it.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
shamanigans
()
Date: January 25, 2011 08:11PM
How does the Ruiz shaman retreat contribute one jot to the quality of education in Fairfax County?
It's complete pig poo.
It's complete pig poo.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Poor
()
Date: January 26, 2011 12:34AM
I am poor. Well, poorer.
Why?
There are more than 2 dozen assistant superintendents in FCPS earning six figures.
The superintendent, Jack Dale, has a total compensation package over $400K.
He drives a free car. Gets free medical coverage.
My children get less and less in school while we are asked to send in more and more.
The teachers can't do it; they haven't had a pay raise in two years.
My teachers ask for markers, paper, anything to try and make ends meet.
And the school board goes on retreat?
For what? This?
The Four Agreements are:
1. Be Impeccable with your Word: Speak with integrity.
2. Don’t Take Anything Personally
3. Don’t Make Assumptions
4. Always Do Your Best
And the school had to pass a requirement not to disparage the public? And they argued about it? Liz Bradsher supposedly didn't even want to agree?
This is what they fight about? Retreat about?
No wonder I am poorer.
Why?
There are more than 2 dozen assistant superintendents in FCPS earning six figures.
The superintendent, Jack Dale, has a total compensation package over $400K.
He drives a free car. Gets free medical coverage.
My children get less and less in school while we are asked to send in more and more.
The teachers can't do it; they haven't had a pay raise in two years.
My teachers ask for markers, paper, anything to try and make ends meet.
And the school board goes on retreat?
For what? This?
The Four Agreements are:
1. Be Impeccable with your Word: Speak with integrity.
2. Don’t Take Anything Personally
3. Don’t Make Assumptions
4. Always Do Your Best
And the school had to pass a requirement not to disparage the public? And they argued about it? Liz Bradsher supposedly didn't even want to agree?
This is what they fight about? Retreat about?
No wonder I am poorer.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
She Wouldn't?
()
Date: January 26, 2011 02:29AM
They get POINTS for CLOSING a school?
Each district could apply for and get up to $15 million?
Basically, exactly what the new cost is for all the additions they want to build in the southwestern part of the county?
Did FCPS and Bradsher sell out Clifton to get $15 million from the state?
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2904
Southwest students might see change in school assignments
Plan to reassign kids to other elementaries would cost $15.1M
http://www.doe.virginia.gov/school_finance/arra/competitive/index.shtml#construction
"Application for Criteria-based Awards of CY 2009 (Remaining) and CY 2010 Qualified School Construction Bonds (QSCBs) Allocation for School Renovation and Construction Projects
Application Submission Deadline: November 19, 2010"
Project/Application Notice: Qualified School Construction Bonds (QSCBs) are tax credit bonds authorized under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) for school construction and renovation projects. Under the program, issuers are eligible to receive a direct federal subsidy in an amount that is expected to offset the interest payments made on the bonds, resulting in zero or near zero interest cost. Issuers are still responsible for repayment of principal. QSCBs include specific eligibility requirements for project financing: (1) a binding commitment with a 3rd party to spend 10 percent of the proceeds must be entered into within 6 months of the issuance of the QSCBs and 100 percent of the proceeds (including earnings thereon) must be spent within three years of issuance. Any proceeds remaining at the end of the three year temporary period must be returned and used to redeem bonds and will not be available for the project. (2) Construction contracts must be in compliance with the Davis-Bacon prevailing wage and labor standards established by the U.S. Department of Labor. (3) QSCB proceeds can be used to pay off interim
"financing. However, any such interim financing (a) cannot be a qualified tax credit bond, (b) must otherwise meet the requirements for qualifying expenditures for QSCB financing, and (c) must have been issued or incurred on or after March 18, 2010.
Approximately $229.5 million in QSCB bond allocation is available for projects involving new construction (including land purchase), building additions, and renovations of local public school facilities. This QSCB allocation will be awarded for individual or multiple projects (subject to a $15 million allocation cap per division) based on the following selection criteria and a rank ordering of the associated criteria points (100 points maximum per project): (1) a consolidation project that results in a net reduction of at least one school (25 points); (2) a project that eliminates student overcrowding or classroom trailers (20 points); (3) a project in a division with a composite index below 0.2500 "
"or an unemployment rate in the locality above 10 percent (20 points); (4) a project that replaces a public school facility that is more than 35 years old (15 points); (5) a project that includes the installation of a school-wide, high-speed computer network for use by teachers and students (10 points); and (6) preference for a project in a division that has not received any prior QSCB funding (10 points). In addition, Governor McDonnell may, on a discretionary basis, award QSCB allocations for eligible Literary Fund projects, for emergency projects with significant health or safety issues, or for projects with other significant extenuating circumstances. Final awards of QSCB allocations will be announced by an Executive Order issued by Governor McDonnell.
QSCB allocations will be provided through the Virginia Public School Authority (VPSA), and will require the issuance of general obligation bonds by the participating localities with a maturity structure consistent with the program
"
"requirements. The maturity period on QSCBs has ranged from 14 to 16 years as determined by the U. S. Treasury. Localities will be required to pay annual debt service payments on their local school bonds during this period.
Project contact information and application forms found in the last five tabs of this file are to be used by localities/divisions that wish to apply for QSCB financing for eligible projects. A separate application form must be completed and submitted for each project for which QSCB financing is being requested. The deadline for submitting an application to the Virginia Department of Education is November 19, 2010.
More information on the QSCB program, including all current application materials, is available on the Virginia Department of Education Web site at:
"
http://www.doe.virginia.gov/school_finance/arra/competitive/index.shtml
Each district could apply for and get up to $15 million?
Basically, exactly what the new cost is for all the additions they want to build in the southwestern part of the county?
Did FCPS and Bradsher sell out Clifton to get $15 million from the state?
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2904
Southwest students might see change in school assignments
Plan to reassign kids to other elementaries would cost $15.1M
http://www.doe.virginia.gov/school_finance/arra/competitive/index.shtml#construction
"Application for Criteria-based Awards of CY 2009 (Remaining) and CY 2010 Qualified School Construction Bonds (QSCBs) Allocation for School Renovation and Construction Projects
Application Submission Deadline: November 19, 2010"
Project/Application Notice: Qualified School Construction Bonds (QSCBs) are tax credit bonds authorized under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) for school construction and renovation projects. Under the program, issuers are eligible to receive a direct federal subsidy in an amount that is expected to offset the interest payments made on the bonds, resulting in zero or near zero interest cost. Issuers are still responsible for repayment of principal. QSCBs include specific eligibility requirements for project financing: (1) a binding commitment with a 3rd party to spend 10 percent of the proceeds must be entered into within 6 months of the issuance of the QSCBs and 100 percent of the proceeds (including earnings thereon) must be spent within three years of issuance. Any proceeds remaining at the end of the three year temporary period must be returned and used to redeem bonds and will not be available for the project. (2) Construction contracts must be in compliance with the Davis-Bacon prevailing wage and labor standards established by the U.S. Department of Labor. (3) QSCB proceeds can be used to pay off interim
"financing. However, any such interim financing (a) cannot be a qualified tax credit bond, (b) must otherwise meet the requirements for qualifying expenditures for QSCB financing, and (c) must have been issued or incurred on or after March 18, 2010.
Approximately $229.5 million in QSCB bond allocation is available for projects involving new construction (including land purchase), building additions, and renovations of local public school facilities. This QSCB allocation will be awarded for individual or multiple projects (subject to a $15 million allocation cap per division) based on the following selection criteria and a rank ordering of the associated criteria points (100 points maximum per project): (1) a consolidation project that results in a net reduction of at least one school (25 points); (2) a project that eliminates student overcrowding or classroom trailers (20 points); (3) a project in a division with a composite index below 0.2500 "
"or an unemployment rate in the locality above 10 percent (20 points); (4) a project that replaces a public school facility that is more than 35 years old (15 points); (5) a project that includes the installation of a school-wide, high-speed computer network for use by teachers and students (10 points); and (6) preference for a project in a division that has not received any prior QSCB funding (10 points). In addition, Governor McDonnell may, on a discretionary basis, award QSCB allocations for eligible Literary Fund projects, for emergency projects with significant health or safety issues, or for projects with other significant extenuating circumstances. Final awards of QSCB allocations will be announced by an Executive Order issued by Governor McDonnell.
QSCB allocations will be provided through the Virginia Public School Authority (VPSA), and will require the issuance of general obligation bonds by the participating localities with a maturity structure consistent with the program
"
"requirements. The maturity period on QSCBs has ranged from 14 to 16 years as determined by the U. S. Treasury. Localities will be required to pay annual debt service payments on their local school bonds during this period.
Project contact information and application forms found in the last five tabs of this file are to be used by localities/divisions that wish to apply for QSCB financing for eligible projects. A separate application form must be completed and submitted for each project for which QSCB financing is being requested. The deadline for submitting an application to the Virginia Department of Education is November 19, 2010.
More information on the QSCB program, including all current application materials, is available on the Virginia Department of Education Web site at:
"
http://www.doe.virginia.gov/school_finance/arra/competitive/index.shtml
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Trailers
()
Date: January 26, 2011 05:10PM
She Wouldn't? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> They get POINTS for CLOSING a school?
>
> Each district could apply for and get up to $15
> million?
>
> Basically, exactly what the new cost is for all
> the additions they want to build in the
> southwestern part of the county?
>
> Did FCPS and Bradsher sell out Clifton to get $15
> million from the state?
>
>
> http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2904
> Southwest students might see change in school
> assignments
> Plan to reassign kids to other elementaries would
> cost $15.1M
>
>
> http://www.doe.virginia.gov/school_finance/arra/co
> mpetitive/index.shtml#construction
>
> "Application for Criteria-based Awards of CY 2009
> (Remaining) and CY 2010 Qualified School
> Construction Bonds (QSCBs) Allocation for School
> Renovation and Construction Projects
> Application Submission Deadline: November 19,
> 2010"
> Project/Application Notice: Qualified School
> Construction Bonds (QSCBs) are tax credit bonds
> authorized under the American Recovery and
> Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) for school
> construction and renovation projects. Under the
> program, issuers are eligible to receive a direct
> federal subsidy in an amount that is expected to
> offset the interest payments made on the bonds,
> resulting in zero or near zero interest cost.
> Issuers are still responsible for repayment of
> principal. QSCBs include specific eligibility
> requirements for project financing: (1) a binding
> commitment with a 3rd party to spend 10 percent of
> the proceeds must be entered into within 6 months
> of the issuance of the QSCBs and 100 percent of
> the proceeds (including earnings thereon) must be
> spent within three years of issuance. Any
> proceeds remaining at the end of the three year
> temporary period must be returned and used to
> redeem bonds and will not be available for the
> project. (2) Construction contracts must be in
> compliance with the Davis-Bacon prevailing wage
> and labor standards established by the U.S.
> Department of Labor. (3) QSCB proceeds can be
> used to pay off interim
> "financing. However, any such interim financing
> (a) cannot be a qualified tax credit bond, (b)
> must otherwise meet the requirements for
> qualifying expenditures for QSCB financing, and
> (c) must have been issued or incurred on or after
> March 18, 2010.
>
> Approximately $229.5 million in QSCB bond
> allocation is available for projects involving new
> construction (including land purchase), building
> additions, and renovations of local public school
> facilities. This QSCB allocation will be awarded
> for individual or multiple projects (subject to a
> $15 million allocation cap per division) based on
> the following selection criteria and a rank
> ordering of the associated criteria points (100
> points maximum per project): (1) a consolidation
> project that results in a net reduction of at
> least one school (25 points); (2) a project that
> eliminates student overcrowding or classroom
> trailers (20 points); (3) a project in a division
> with a composite index below 0.2500 "
> "or an unemployment rate in the locality above 10
> percent (20 points); (4) a project that replaces a
> public school facility that is more than 35 years
> old (15 points); (5) a project that includes the
> installation of a school-wide, high-speed computer
> network for use by teachers and students (10
> points); and (6) preference for a project in a
> division that has not received any prior QSCB
> funding (10 points). In addition, Governor
> McDonnell may, on a discretionary basis, award
> QSCB allocations for eligible Literary Fund
> projects, for emergency projects with significant
> health or safety issues, or for projects with
> other significant extenuating circumstances.
> Final awards of QSCB allocations will be announced
> by an Executive Order issued by Governor
> McDonnell.
>
> QSCB allocations will be provided through the
> Virginia Public School Authority (VPSA), and will
> require the issuance of general obligation bonds
> by the participating localities with a maturity
> structure consistent with the program
>
> "
> "requirements. The maturity period on QSCBs has
> ranged from 14 to 16 years as determined by the U.
> S. Treasury. Localities will be required to pay
> annual debt service payments on their local school
> bonds during this period.
>
> Project contact information and application forms
> found in the last five tabs of this file are to be
> used by localities/divisions that wish to apply
> for QSCB financing for eligible projects. A
> separate application form must be completed and
> submitted for each project for which QSCB
> financing is being requested. The deadline for
> submitting an application to the Virginia
> Department of Education is November 19, 2010.
>
> More information on the QSCB program, including
> all current application materials, is available on
> the Virginia Department of Education Web site at:
>
> "
> http://www.doe.virginia.gov/school_finance/arra/co
> mpetitive/index.shtml
If they gained points for closing Clifton (Item #1), wouldn't they at the same time be losing points for CREATING overcrowding and implementing trailers (Item #2) OR maybe the State doesn't know that #1 is creating #2?
-------------------------------------------------------
> They get POINTS for CLOSING a school?
>
> Each district could apply for and get up to $15
> million?
>
> Basically, exactly what the new cost is for all
> the additions they want to build in the
> southwestern part of the county?
>
> Did FCPS and Bradsher sell out Clifton to get $15
> million from the state?
>
>
> http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2904
> Southwest students might see change in school
> assignments
> Plan to reassign kids to other elementaries would
> cost $15.1M
>
>
> http://www.doe.virginia.gov/school_finance/arra/co
> mpetitive/index.shtml#construction
>
> "Application for Criteria-based Awards of CY 2009
> (Remaining) and CY 2010 Qualified School
> Construction Bonds (QSCBs) Allocation for School
> Renovation and Construction Projects
> Application Submission Deadline: November 19,
> 2010"
> Project/Application Notice: Qualified School
> Construction Bonds (QSCBs) are tax credit bonds
> authorized under the American Recovery and
> Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) for school
> construction and renovation projects. Under the
> program, issuers are eligible to receive a direct
> federal subsidy in an amount that is expected to
> offset the interest payments made on the bonds,
> resulting in zero or near zero interest cost.
> Issuers are still responsible for repayment of
> principal. QSCBs include specific eligibility
> requirements for project financing: (1) a binding
> commitment with a 3rd party to spend 10 percent of
> the proceeds must be entered into within 6 months
> of the issuance of the QSCBs and 100 percent of
> the proceeds (including earnings thereon) must be
> spent within three years of issuance. Any
> proceeds remaining at the end of the three year
> temporary period must be returned and used to
> redeem bonds and will not be available for the
> project. (2) Construction contracts must be in
> compliance with the Davis-Bacon prevailing wage
> and labor standards established by the U.S.
> Department of Labor. (3) QSCB proceeds can be
> used to pay off interim
> "financing. However, any such interim financing
> (a) cannot be a qualified tax credit bond, (b)
> must otherwise meet the requirements for
> qualifying expenditures for QSCB financing, and
> (c) must have been issued or incurred on or after
> March 18, 2010.
>
> Approximately $229.5 million in QSCB bond
> allocation is available for projects involving new
> construction (including land purchase), building
> additions, and renovations of local public school
> facilities. This QSCB allocation will be awarded
> for individual or multiple projects (subject to a
> $15 million allocation cap per division) based on
> the following selection criteria and a rank
> ordering of the associated criteria points (100
> points maximum per project): (1) a consolidation
> project that results in a net reduction of at
> least one school (25 points); (2) a project that
> eliminates student overcrowding or classroom
> trailers (20 points); (3) a project in a division
> with a composite index below 0.2500 "
> "or an unemployment rate in the locality above 10
> percent (20 points); (4) a project that replaces a
> public school facility that is more than 35 years
> old (15 points); (5) a project that includes the
> installation of a school-wide, high-speed computer
> network for use by teachers and students (10
> points); and (6) preference for a project in a
> division that has not received any prior QSCB
> funding (10 points). In addition, Governor
> McDonnell may, on a discretionary basis, award
> QSCB allocations for eligible Literary Fund
> projects, for emergency projects with significant
> health or safety issues, or for projects with
> other significant extenuating circumstances.
> Final awards of QSCB allocations will be announced
> by an Executive Order issued by Governor
> McDonnell.
>
> QSCB allocations will be provided through the
> Virginia Public School Authority (VPSA), and will
> require the issuance of general obligation bonds
> by the participating localities with a maturity
> structure consistent with the program
>
> "
> "requirements. The maturity period on QSCBs has
> ranged from 14 to 16 years as determined by the U.
> S. Treasury. Localities will be required to pay
> annual debt service payments on their local school
> bonds during this period.
>
> Project contact information and application forms
> found in the last five tabs of this file are to be
> used by localities/divisions that wish to apply
> for QSCB financing for eligible projects. A
> separate application form must be completed and
> submitted for each project for which QSCB
> financing is being requested. The deadline for
> submitting an application to the Virginia
> Department of Education is November 19, 2010.
>
> More information on the QSCB program, including
> all current application materials, is available on
> the Virginia Department of Education Web site at:
>
> "
> http://www.doe.virginia.gov/school_finance/arra/co
> mpetitive/index.shtml
If they gained points for closing Clifton (Item #1), wouldn't they at the same time be losing points for CREATING overcrowding and implementing trailers (Item #2) OR maybe the State doesn't know that #1 is creating #2?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Grossed Out Granny
()
Date: January 26, 2011 05:30PM
I just keep reading to get educated on the information.
It just is plain as the nose on your face over and over again.
Payola is an old phrase but I'll bet it's here somewhere to be found.
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It just is plain as the nose on your face over and over again.
Payola is an old phrase but I'll bet it's here somewhere to be found.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
sdas
()
Date: January 26, 2011 06:18PM
Was it true that
1) Clifton ES boundary had less than 200 families and
2) an enrollment of 350 AND
3) Water was an issue ( no tap water allowed) AND
4) was one of the older schools in need of much repair.
I am catching up on CES closing finally and after reading a couple of articles in Wash Post - this is the first impression I am getting.
1) Clifton ES boundary had less than 200 families and
2) an enrollment of 350 AND
3) Water was an issue ( no tap water allowed) AND
4) was one of the older schools in need of much repair.
I am catching up on CES closing finally and after reading a couple of articles in Wash Post - this is the first impression I am getting.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to sdas
()
Date: January 26, 2011 06:24PM
Where have you been the last six months? Read the past e-mails. I would not go by the Washington Post for news in Fairfax. These posts here are so much better.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
what gives?
()
Date: January 26, 2011 06:33PM
I find it interesting all the complaints by Clifton parents about how far the new elementary schools are. Clifton people say "renovate our school and send more students here." Don't they realize how far the new students would have to travel to get to a renovated, larger Clifton Elementary? Oak View is across the street from Robinson. Fairview is closer than Robinson. Why haven't there been complaints about the distance to MS and HS?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I think the reason is
()
Date: January 26, 2011 06:51PM
Clifton and Oak View are both elementary schools. Little kids should not be on the bus for over one and a half hours a day. Older kids can handle it. We are talking about kids ages 5-11. Clifton would love for kids to come over from Willow Springs and Union Mill. They are close. The SB does not care about ANY of the kids being moved in Fairfax. It is just not Clifton. That is the shame in all of this.
We have invested a lot of time and money to save a great school. We all laugh about being called "elite". I call it the American dream. I worked hard and this is how we are treated.
We have invested a lot of time and money to save a great school. We all laugh about being called "elite". I call it the American dream. I worked hard and this is how we are treated.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Two Way Street
()
Date: January 26, 2011 06:52PM
what gives? Wrote:
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> I find it interesting all the complaints by
> Clifton parents about how far the new elementary
> schools are. Clifton people say "renovate our
> school and send more students here." Don't they
> realize how far the new students would have to
> travel to get to a renovated, larger Clifton
> Elementary? Oak View is across the street from
> Robinson. Fairview is closer than Robinson. Why
> haven't there been complaints about the distance
> to MS and HS?
Interesting - same argument came from the SCHOOL BOARD - and how, exactly, do you propose to get the children OUT of Clifton?
The same roads that take kids IN to Clifton go OUT. So, it is OK to bus an entire school population to many different schools but not ok to bus any children into it?
If it isn't ok to bus any kids "all the way into Clifton", it just supports their argument that the attendance area deserves to keep its school.
Regarding MS and HS - it is one and the same. ALL Clifton children go to Robinson, which is a secondary school.
7th to 12th graders riding for an extended period of time is completely different than primary grade children. FCPS will not tell anyone how long the proposed bus rides will be for the elementary children because THEY DON'T KNOW.
They don't know how long rides will be.
They don't know where the children will go.
They don't know how much it will cost to send them to a bunch of different schools.
They don't know if all the schools will now meed educational specifications.
They don't know how many lunch periods they will create at all the schools.
They don't know how SACC will be handled.
They don't know when additions will be built.
How far will anyone have to travel to go to any school?
Kind of a basic question you would think FCPS would start by answering before shoving this massive study down everyone's throats.
Think I'll go read "Great Expectations" - don't know why, I am suddenly in the mood.
Or "Crime and Punishment"
Or "1994"
Or "For Whom the Bell Tolls"
Nope. I got it.
"One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".
Wonder who I'll picture as Nurse Ratchet?
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> I find it interesting all the complaints by
> Clifton parents about how far the new elementary
> schools are. Clifton people say "renovate our
> school and send more students here." Don't they
> realize how far the new students would have to
> travel to get to a renovated, larger Clifton
> Elementary? Oak View is across the street from
> Robinson. Fairview is closer than Robinson. Why
> haven't there been complaints about the distance
> to MS and HS?
Interesting - same argument came from the SCHOOL BOARD - and how, exactly, do you propose to get the children OUT of Clifton?
The same roads that take kids IN to Clifton go OUT. So, it is OK to bus an entire school population to many different schools but not ok to bus any children into it?
If it isn't ok to bus any kids "all the way into Clifton", it just supports their argument that the attendance area deserves to keep its school.
Regarding MS and HS - it is one and the same. ALL Clifton children go to Robinson, which is a secondary school.
7th to 12th graders riding for an extended period of time is completely different than primary grade children. FCPS will not tell anyone how long the proposed bus rides will be for the elementary children because THEY DON'T KNOW.
They don't know how long rides will be.
They don't know where the children will go.
They don't know how much it will cost to send them to a bunch of different schools.
They don't know if all the schools will now meed educational specifications.
They don't know how many lunch periods they will create at all the schools.
They don't know how SACC will be handled.
They don't know when additions will be built.
How far will anyone have to travel to go to any school?
Kind of a basic question you would think FCPS would start by answering before shoving this massive study down everyone's throats.
Think I'll go read "Great Expectations" - don't know why, I am suddenly in the mood.
Or "Crime and Punishment"
Or "1994"
Or "For Whom the Bell Tolls"
Nope. I got it.
"One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".
Wonder who I'll picture as Nurse Ratchet?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
agree
()
Date: January 26, 2011 06:58PM
what gives? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I find it interesting all the complaints by
> Clifton parents about how far the new elementary
> schools are. Clifton people say "renovate our
> school and send more students here." Don't they
> realize how far the new students would have to
> travel to get to a renovated, larger Clifton
> Elementary? Oak View is across the street from
> Robinson. Fairview is closer than Robinson. Why
> haven't there been complaints about the distance
> to MS and HS?
I understand your point, Clifton & Farifax Station people bought houses far away from Robinson, so they should expect far bus rides. But I think the concern for elementary students is that these are 5-10 year olds that will spend 45 min - 1 hour each way on a bus. But, I don't think it's that big a deal.
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> I find it interesting all the complaints by
> Clifton parents about how far the new elementary
> schools are. Clifton people say "renovate our
> school and send more students here." Don't they
> realize how far the new students would have to
> travel to get to a renovated, larger Clifton
> Elementary? Oak View is across the street from
> Robinson. Fairview is closer than Robinson. Why
> haven't there been complaints about the distance
> to MS and HS?
I understand your point, Clifton & Farifax Station people bought houses far away from Robinson, so they should expect far bus rides. But I think the concern for elementary students is that these are 5-10 year olds that will spend 45 min - 1 hour each way on a bus. But, I don't think it's that big a deal.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Burke Baby
()
Date: January 26, 2011 06:59PM
My grandma used to pinch a penny til Lincoln screamed.
If Dale weren't a Snake Oil Salesman, you'd think he was The Miracle Worker.
Wow, that Clifton money is like the loaves and fishes. They just keep multiplying over and over (and over - and over - and over).
Funny thing, I don't remember voting for the bond money.
So, Dale's even better - he is multiplying it right out of thin air.
In an election year to boot.
So, what happened to our renovation - did Erik and Liz have a fight?
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If Dale weren't a Snake Oil Salesman, you'd think he was The Miracle Worker.
Wow, that Clifton money is like the loaves and fishes. They just keep multiplying over and over (and over - and over - and over).
Funny thing, I don't remember voting for the bond money.
So, Dale's even better - he is multiplying it right out of thin air.
In an election year to boot.
So, what happened to our renovation - did Erik and Liz have a fight?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Grossed Out Granny
()
Date: January 26, 2011 07:26PM
I think this lady, and I use that term loosely, is one of the top people in FCPS. She is spending her time and her employees' time looking at a website of an educational group?
How much is she paid for this "public service"?
This is why our country is trillions of dollars in debt.
What an abuse of public trust.
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How much is she paid for this "public service"?
This is why our country is trillions of dollars in debt.
What an abuse of public trust.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz Bradsher has dug her own grave
()
Date: January 26, 2011 07:39PM
Keep these e-mails coming! I think under law Liz may be in trouble.
Wait till you see the e-mails FCPS does not want you to see.
Wait till you see the e-mails FCPS does not want you to see.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Little Peeps Mom
()
Date: January 26, 2011 07:46PM
agree Wrote:
> I understand your point, Clifton & Farifax Station
> people bought houses far away from Robinson, so
> they should expect far bus rides. But I think the
> concern for elementary students is that these are
> 5-10 year olds that will spend 45 min - 1 hour
> each way on a bus. But, I don't think it's that
> big a deal.
You are right about Robinson - generally a great school.
But Bradsher and you don't have 5, 6, 7, 8 year olds living in Clifton.
We do. It is unreasonable to expect our young children to make undertermined length bus rides. Emails show Bradsher traded our futures - our financial futures, since we picked our houses to live here including our school - to benefit herself.
Why can't she just be fired or whatever you do when someone does what she did to the people she was supposed to represent?
> I understand your point, Clifton & Farifax Station
> people bought houses far away from Robinson, so
> they should expect far bus rides. But I think the
> concern for elementary students is that these are
> 5-10 year olds that will spend 45 min - 1 hour
> each way on a bus. But, I don't think it's that
> big a deal.
You are right about Robinson - generally a great school.
But Bradsher and you don't have 5, 6, 7, 8 year olds living in Clifton.
We do. It is unreasonable to expect our young children to make undertermined length bus rides. Emails show Bradsher traded our futures - our financial futures, since we picked our houses to live here including our school - to benefit herself.
Why can't she just be fired or whatever you do when someone does what she did to the people she was supposed to represent?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Braddock too
()
Date: January 26, 2011 08:12PM
takes one to know one
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
agree
()
Date: January 26, 2011 08:19PM
Little Peeps Mom Wrote:
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> agree Wrote:
> > I understand your point, Clifton & Farifax
> Station
> > people bought houses far away from Robinson, so
> > they should expect far bus rides. But I think
> the
> > concern for elementary students is that these
> are
> > 5-10 year olds that will spend 45 min - 1 hour
> > each way on a bus. But, I don't think it's that
> > big a deal.
>
> You are right about Robinson - generally a great
> school.
> But Bradsher and you don't have 5, 6, 7, 8 year
> olds living in Clifton.
> We do. It is unreasonable to expect our young
> children to make undertermined length bus rides.
> Emails show Bradsher traded our futures - our
> financial futures, since we picked our houses to
> live here including our school - to benefit
> herself.
>
> Why can't she just be fired or whatever you do
> when someone does what she did to the people she
> was supposed to represent?
Don't presume that I don't live in Clifton, I do. My child goes to Clifton, and all but 1 of my kids had Mrs. Moore in Kindergarten. I also have at child at Robinson, go Rams. I knew bus rides were going to be long when we moved here, but worth it. If they get into TJ, I'll welcome an even longer bus ride. BTW, I dislike Bradsher as much as the next person, she a liar, and we elected her based on community schools platform, how ironic.
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> agree Wrote:
> > I understand your point, Clifton & Farifax
> Station
> > people bought houses far away from Robinson, so
> > they should expect far bus rides. But I think
> the
> > concern for elementary students is that these
> are
> > 5-10 year olds that will spend 45 min - 1 hour
> > each way on a bus. But, I don't think it's that
> > big a deal.
>
> You are right about Robinson - generally a great
> school.
> But Bradsher and you don't have 5, 6, 7, 8 year
> olds living in Clifton.
> We do. It is unreasonable to expect our young
> children to make undertermined length bus rides.
> Emails show Bradsher traded our futures - our
> financial futures, since we picked our houses to
> live here including our school - to benefit
> herself.
>
> Why can't she just be fired or whatever you do
> when someone does what she did to the people she
> was supposed to represent?
Don't presume that I don't live in Clifton, I do. My child goes to Clifton, and all but 1 of my kids had Mrs. Moore in Kindergarten. I also have at child at Robinson, go Rams. I knew bus rides were going to be long when we moved here, but worth it. If they get into TJ, I'll welcome an even longer bus ride. BTW, I dislike Bradsher as much as the next person, she a liar, and we elected her based on community schools platform, how ironic.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
sdas
()
Date: January 26, 2011 09:44PM
Coming back to my observations:
Was it true that
1) Clifton ES boundary had less than 200 families and
2) had an enrollment of 350 AND
3) had water issues ( no tap water allowed) AND
4) CES was one of the older schools in need of much repair.
I think all these facts are true - and therefore all the posters keep bashing the FCPS board.
FCPS Board is doing a pretty decent job with the new boundaries and folks impacted by CES closure are now just flinging mud and hoping it sticks.
Was it true that
1) Clifton ES boundary had less than 200 families and
2) had an enrollment of 350 AND
3) had water issues ( no tap water allowed) AND
4) CES was one of the older schools in need of much repair.
I think all these facts are true - and therefore all the posters keep bashing the FCPS board.
FCPS Board is doing a pretty decent job with the new boundaries and folks impacted by CES closure are now just flinging mud and hoping it sticks.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE POSTING
()
Date: January 27, 2011 12:06AM
sdas Wrote:
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> Coming back to my observations:
>
> Was it true that
>
> 1) Clifton ES boundary had less than 200 families
ACTUALLY THERE ARE MORE THAN 2000 HOUSEHOLDS WITHIN THE CES BOUNDARY.
> 2) had an enrollment of 350
WRONG AGAIN! THERE ARE MORE THAN 350 STUDENTS ENROLLED AT CES.
>
> 3) had water issues ( no tap water allowed)
AND AGAIN! THE WATER HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY TESTED AND DEEMED SAFE TO CONSUME.
>
> 4) CES was one of the older schools in need of
> much repair.
ONCE AGAIN YOU FAIL! THE LARGEST SECTION OF THE SCHOOL WAS BUILT IN 1984 AND FROM ALL APPEARANCES IS ROCK SOLID. THE ONLY FOLKS THAT SEEM TO THINK IT NEEDS MAJOR RENOVATIONS ARE CERTAIN BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE USING THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO CLOSE THE SCHOOL.
>
> I think all these facts are true - and therefore
> all the posters keep bashing the FCPS board.
>
ZERO OUT OF FOUR. YOU REMIND ME OF SOME OF THE UNETHICAL FOLKS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD DESPERATELY GRASPING FOR (INACCURATE AND UNTRUE) REASONS TO CLOSE THE SCHOOL. EACH TIME AN EXCUSE WAS GIVEN TO CLOSE THE SCHOOL, THEN SUBSEQUENTLY DISPROVED, ANOTHER MORE "FAR-FETCHED" REASON WAS SUBSTITUTED IN.
> FCPS Board is doing a pretty decent job with the
> new boundaries and folks impacted by CES closure
> are now just flinging mud and hoping it sticks.
BOTTOM LINE; THERE IS SOMETHING VERY FISHY GOING ON HERE. IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO READ THESE E-MAILS THE MOTIVATION FOR THE CLOSING OF CLIFTON APPEARS TO BE DRIVEN BY PERSONAL GAIN RATHER THAN THE BETTERMENT OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. I DON'T THINK IT'S "FLINGING MUD". I BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE PEOPLE OF CLIFTON INVESTIGATING POSSIBLE ILLEGAL AND CURRUPT ACTIVITY THAT RESULTED IN THEIR COMMUNITY'S SCHOOL BEING SHUT DOWN.
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> Coming back to my observations:
>
> Was it true that
>
> 1) Clifton ES boundary had less than 200 families
ACTUALLY THERE ARE MORE THAN 2000 HOUSEHOLDS WITHIN THE CES BOUNDARY.
> 2) had an enrollment of 350
WRONG AGAIN! THERE ARE MORE THAN 350 STUDENTS ENROLLED AT CES.
>
> 3) had water issues ( no tap water allowed)
AND AGAIN! THE WATER HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY TESTED AND DEEMED SAFE TO CONSUME.
>
> 4) CES was one of the older schools in need of
> much repair.
ONCE AGAIN YOU FAIL! THE LARGEST SECTION OF THE SCHOOL WAS BUILT IN 1984 AND FROM ALL APPEARANCES IS ROCK SOLID. THE ONLY FOLKS THAT SEEM TO THINK IT NEEDS MAJOR RENOVATIONS ARE CERTAIN BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE USING THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO CLOSE THE SCHOOL.
>
> I think all these facts are true - and therefore
> all the posters keep bashing the FCPS board.
>
ZERO OUT OF FOUR. YOU REMIND ME OF SOME OF THE UNETHICAL FOLKS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD DESPERATELY GRASPING FOR (INACCURATE AND UNTRUE) REASONS TO CLOSE THE SCHOOL. EACH TIME AN EXCUSE WAS GIVEN TO CLOSE THE SCHOOL, THEN SUBSEQUENTLY DISPROVED, ANOTHER MORE "FAR-FETCHED" REASON WAS SUBSTITUTED IN.
> FCPS Board is doing a pretty decent job with the
> new boundaries and folks impacted by CES closure
> are now just flinging mud and hoping it sticks.
BOTTOM LINE; THERE IS SOMETHING VERY FISHY GOING ON HERE. IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO READ THESE E-MAILS THE MOTIVATION FOR THE CLOSING OF CLIFTON APPEARS TO BE DRIVEN BY PERSONAL GAIN RATHER THAN THE BETTERMENT OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. I DON'T THINK IT'S "FLINGING MUD". I BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE PEOPLE OF CLIFTON INVESTIGATING POSSIBLE ILLEGAL AND CURRUPT ACTIVITY THAT RESULTED IN THEIR COMMUNITY'S SCHOOL BEING SHUT DOWN.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Schooled
()
Date: January 27, 2011 12:10AM
Don't know what to think of a School Board that doesn't subscribe to the fact that businesses and public school systems derive mutual benefit.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TEA'd Off
()
Date: January 27, 2011 12:23AM
sdas Wrote:
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> Coming back to my observations:
>
> Was it true that
>
> 1) Clifton ES boundary had less than 200 families
The Clifton ES attendance area has 2,200 households
(maybe you just missed a 2? - that's kind of par with FCPS - just missing a zip code)
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> Coming back to my observations:
>
> Was it true that
>
> 1) Clifton ES boundary had less than 200 families
The Clifton ES attendance area has 2,200 households
(maybe you just missed a 2? - that's kind of par with FCPS - just missing a zip code)
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TEA'd Off
()
Date: January 27, 2011 12:37AM
sdas Wrote:
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> Coming back to my observations:
>
> Was it true that
> 2) had an enrollment of 350 AND
No - Clifton ES has 374 seats and 370 enrolled - 99% full.
They have added four students this school year.
Their enrollment has been consistent, with no fewer than 366 in over 15 years.
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> Coming back to my observations:
>
> Was it true that
> 2) had an enrollment of 350 AND
No - Clifton ES has 374 seats and 370 enrolled - 99% full.
They have added four students this school year.
Their enrollment has been consistent, with no fewer than 366 in over 15 years.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TEA'd Off
()
Date: January 27, 2011 12:58AM
sdas Wrote:
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> Coming back to my observations:
>
> Was it true that
>
> 3) had water issues ( no tap water allowed) AND
No.
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> Coming back to my observations:
>
> Was it true that
>
> 3) had water issues ( no tap water allowed) AND
No.
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Posted by:
TEA'd Off
()
Date: January 27, 2011 01:29AM
sdas Wrote:
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> Coming back to my observations:
>
> Was it true that
>
> 4) CES was one of the older schools in need of
> much repair.
No.
The comment about Compton Road is interesting, as FCPS is now proposing transporting a large number of students on the road.
They aren't building a new school, so those items come off the table as well.
Schools aren't renovated without meeting Code; this is invalid.
The School Board rep says herself the school is in fairly good condition. The parents have testified to the same and the money was approved in two Bond Referendum cycles to do renovation planning.
They should have had it done.
None of the facts you assumed to be correct were accurate.
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> Coming back to my observations:
>
> Was it true that
>
> 4) CES was one of the older schools in need of
> much repair.
No.
The comment about Compton Road is interesting, as FCPS is now proposing transporting a large number of students on the road.
They aren't building a new school, so those items come off the table as well.
Schools aren't renovated without meeting Code; this is invalid.
The School Board rep says herself the school is in fairly good condition. The parents have testified to the same and the money was approved in two Bond Referendum cycles to do renovation planning.
They should have had it done.
None of the facts you assumed to be correct were accurate.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
wondering?
()
Date: January 27, 2011 06:32AM
Liz Bradsher has dug her own grave Wrote:
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> Keep these e-mails coming! I think under law Liz
> may be in trouble.
>
> Wait till you see the e-mails FCPS does not want
> you to see.
What exactly do the Clifton parents think is in the additional e-mails they are trying to pry from FCPS? Are they going after the e-mails that were sent during the Board meeting?
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> Keep these e-mails coming! I think under law Liz
> may be in trouble.
>
> Wait till you see the e-mails FCPS does not want
> you to see.
What exactly do the Clifton parents think is in the additional e-mails they are trying to pry from FCPS? Are they going after the e-mails that were sent during the Board meeting?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Gotta stop this---too many getting hurt
()
Date: January 27, 2011 11:02AM
The incoherence of Liz's writing is staggering. She really needs to get some help. She would be a good example to our children of why drinking is so destructive. It not only destroys the person, but others around them. In this case, it has wrought destruction on many, many people.
I wonder if she could pass a writing SOL??? If I got a letter like the above one from her, I would be mortified. She's a school board member??? WOW.
I wonder if she could pass a writing SOL??? If I got a letter like the above one from her, I would be mortified. She's a school board member??? WOW.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
GiveLizABreak!
()
Date: January 27, 2011 01:02PM
There are so many people complaining about Liz Bradsher's writing style, and they need to stop and give her a break.
They don't realize how hard it can be to write a clear sentence when you don't believe a single word that you're saying. They should sit down the next time they plan to flat-out lie to others and see just how difficult it is to write clearly in such challenging circumstances. This has been very, very tough on her personally.
They don't realize how hard it can be to write a clear sentence when you don't believe a single word that you're saying. They should sit down the next time they plan to flat-out lie to others and see just how difficult it is to write clearly in such challenging circumstances. This has been very, very tough on her personally.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Round Tripper
()
Date: January 27, 2011 04:41PM
The round trip for a DC liquor run is soooooo long in a snowstorm!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
BREAKING NEWS
()
Date: January 27, 2011 05:25PM
QUICK-turn to channel 21.
Not only is the Clifton closing going to pay for all of the renovations AND all day K....IT WILL PAY OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT!!!!!!!!
$14 TRILLION PAID OFF.....all becasue we closed Clifton.
Not only is the Clifton closing going to pay for all of the renovations AND all day K....IT WILL PAY OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT!!!!!!!!
$14 TRILLION PAID OFF.....all becasue we closed Clifton.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
respectful SB members
()
Date: January 27, 2011 05:30PM
Not sure how that book discussion went at the retreat-did Tessie show up? Maybe she read the Cliffnotes.
I saw her car outside of Luther Jackson Middle.
She has a Gerry Scary bumper sticker on it!
Maybe she could put one on there that insults Sharon Bulova also.
That might be kinda fun when she has her greedy little hands out for more money from the county to "run" our schools. More like "run them into the ground".
Go Tessie! keep up with that whole self improvement crap you have going on.
I saw her car outside of Luther Jackson Middle.
She has a Gerry Scary bumper sticker on it!
Maybe she could put one on there that insults Sharon Bulova also.
That might be kinda fun when she has her greedy little hands out for more money from the county to "run" our schools. More like "run them into the ground".
Go Tessie! keep up with that whole self improvement crap you have going on.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
confused
()
Date: January 27, 2011 09:58PM
BREAKING NEWS Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> QUICK-turn to channel 21.
>
> Not only is the Clifton closing going to pay for
> all of the renovations AND all day K....IT WILL
> PAY OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT!!!!!!!!
>
> $14 TRILLION PAID OFF.....all becasue we closed
> Clifton.
I am confused. I thought when they closed Pimmit Hills School that it paid off the National Debt. It's amazing what these school closings can do, isn't it?
-------------------------------------------------------
> QUICK-turn to channel 21.
>
> Not only is the Clifton closing going to pay for
> all of the renovations AND all day K....IT WILL
> PAY OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT!!!!!!!!
>
> $14 TRILLION PAID OFF.....all becasue we closed
> Clifton.
I am confused. I thought when they closed Pimmit Hills School that it paid off the National Debt. It's amazing what these school closings can do, isn't it?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Say WHAT?!
()
Date: January 28, 2011 08:19AM
Two Way Street Wrote:
> How far will anyone have to travel to go to any
> school?
> Kind of a basic question you would think FCPS
> would start by answering before shoving this
> massive study down everyone's throats.
>
> Think I'll go read "Great Expectations" - don't
> know why, I am suddenly in the mood.
> Or "Crime and Punishment"
> Or "1994"
> Or "For Whom the Bell Tolls"
> Nope. I got it.
> "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".
> Wonder who I'll picture as Nurse Ratchet?
OK - just could not resist the reference. Here you go, cuz there's nothing better than the image of you know who as Nurse Ratched.
Attachments:
> How far will anyone have to travel to go to any
> school?
> Kind of a basic question you would think FCPS
> would start by answering before shoving this
> massive study down everyone's throats.
>
> Think I'll go read "Great Expectations" - don't
> know why, I am suddenly in the mood.
> Or "Crime and Punishment"
> Or "1994"
> Or "For Whom the Bell Tolls"
> Nope. I got it.
> "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".
> Wonder who I'll picture as Nurse Ratchet?
OK - just could not resist the reference. Here you go, cuz there's nothing better than the image of you know who as Nurse Ratched.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
ACE class rox!
()
Date: January 28, 2011 08:55AM
Can't draw, but won't let that stop me:
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SC Parent
()
Date: January 28, 2011 09:42AM
Liz Bradsher is the most hated and most dishonest women in Fairfax County.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 28, 2011 05:37PM
For anyone doubting the water quality at CES, here's your proof, straight from FCPS that the water is ALL GOOD!!!!!!!
Oh and by the way, copper and lead DON'T come from the ground! Copper and lead come from the plumbing. How many other schools in FCPS have copper and lead in their water? CES is NOT the only school with copper plumbing and lead solder. CES is just the ONLY school required to test the water because it's on a well.
This just proves once again that FCPS is sending out FALSE information.
Dear Clifton Elementary Parent:
Since October 2008, students and staff at Clifton Elementary School have used bottled water for drinking due to elevated lead and copper levels in the groundwater system (wells). After careful analysis, a team of experts agreed that the elevated levels resulted from the inability of the corrosion control system to sufficiently control the low pH in the groundwater. This team was composed of representatives from the Virginia Department of Health’s Office of Drinking Water, Virginia Machinery and Well Company (a drinking water treatment industry expert), and Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) engineers, and maintenance, safety and environmental staff.
As a result of these findings, FCPS staff installed a new corrosion filtration system in May 2010, capable of raising the pH level of the water, which reduces the amount of copper and lead in the water.
We are pleased to report that the water is now safe to drink as the pH level has been raised sufficiently and the water is no longer leaching lead or copper into the distribution system. This report is based on the two most recent tests, the results of which were in full compliance with the Commonwealth of Virginia and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Lead and Copper rule.
With the new corrosion control system optimally working and having consistently favorable water results, FCPS maintenance staff will remove the water fountain bubbler covers and replace any missing water fountain spigots. They will also clean and flush these devices to prepare them for use. This work will take place during the upcoming teacher workdays on January 31 and February 1. Drinking fountains will be safe and fully operational beginning on February 2.
For those staff and students who might be concerned about water quality and would like to continue using bottled water, FCPS will provide bottled water for their use.
FCPS staff will be regularly testing and monitoring the water quality and distribution system to ensure the safety of the water supply.
We anticipate that staff, parents, and students may have questions or concerns regarding the well water. Please feel free to direct those questions or concerns to Douglass O’Neill, Coordinator of Safety and Environmental Health, at 571-423-2016 or at doneill@fcps.edu. Thank you very much.
-----About this E-mail-----
This e-mail has been sent to you by FCPS. To maximize their communication with you, you may be receiving this e-mail in addition to a phone call with the same message. If you wish to discontinue this service, please inform FCPS IN PERSON, by US MAIL, by TELEPHONE at (571) 423-1210 or REPLY TO THIS E-MAIL.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/28/2011 05:43PM by herewegoagain.
Oh and by the way, copper and lead DON'T come from the ground! Copper and lead come from the plumbing. How many other schools in FCPS have copper and lead in their water? CES is NOT the only school with copper plumbing and lead solder. CES is just the ONLY school required to test the water because it's on a well.
This just proves once again that FCPS is sending out FALSE information.
Dear Clifton Elementary Parent:
Since October 2008, students and staff at Clifton Elementary School have used bottled water for drinking due to elevated lead and copper levels in the groundwater system (wells). After careful analysis, a team of experts agreed that the elevated levels resulted from the inability of the corrosion control system to sufficiently control the low pH in the groundwater. This team was composed of representatives from the Virginia Department of Health’s Office of Drinking Water, Virginia Machinery and Well Company (a drinking water treatment industry expert), and Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) engineers, and maintenance, safety and environmental staff.
As a result of these findings, FCPS staff installed a new corrosion filtration system in May 2010, capable of raising the pH level of the water, which reduces the amount of copper and lead in the water.
We are pleased to report that the water is now safe to drink as the pH level has been raised sufficiently and the water is no longer leaching lead or copper into the distribution system. This report is based on the two most recent tests, the results of which were in full compliance with the Commonwealth of Virginia and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Lead and Copper rule.
With the new corrosion control system optimally working and having consistently favorable water results, FCPS maintenance staff will remove the water fountain bubbler covers and replace any missing water fountain spigots. They will also clean and flush these devices to prepare them for use. This work will take place during the upcoming teacher workdays on January 31 and February 1. Drinking fountains will be safe and fully operational beginning on February 2.
For those staff and students who might be concerned about water quality and would like to continue using bottled water, FCPS will provide bottled water for their use.
FCPS staff will be regularly testing and monitoring the water quality and distribution system to ensure the safety of the water supply.
We anticipate that staff, parents, and students may have questions or concerns regarding the well water. Please feel free to direct those questions or concerns to Douglass O’Neill, Coordinator of Safety and Environmental Health, at 571-423-2016 or at doneill@fcps.edu. Thank you very much.
-----About this E-mail-----
This e-mail has been sent to you by FCPS. To maximize their communication with you, you may be receiving this e-mail in addition to a phone call with the same message. If you wish to discontinue this service, please inform FCPS IN PERSON, by US MAIL, by TELEPHONE at (571) 423-1210 or REPLY TO THIS E-MAIL.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/28/2011 05:43PM by herewegoagain.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
F FCPS, the F'rs
()
Date: January 29, 2011 11:51AM
"a team of experts agreed that the elevated levels resulted from the inability of the corrosion control system to sufficiently control the low pH in the groundwater."
O'Neill, Tistadt, Hunter - Bradsher - you have just told the world FCPS f'd up the corrosion control system and FAILED to properly address the issue. What, on purpose?
You are nothing more than a corrupt school mafia.
The timing of your 'keep in touch' message is so obvious. Tired of people fighting back? We are just 'keeping in touch' - like reaching out and touching someone.
Elliot Ness took out Al Capone over financials - think you will survive the public's scrutiny?
Time for the FCPS Mafia to go.
O'Neill, Tistadt, Hunter - Bradsher - you have just told the world FCPS f'd up the corrosion control system and FAILED to properly address the issue. What, on purpose?
You are nothing more than a corrupt school mafia.
The timing of your 'keep in touch' message is so obvious. Tired of people fighting back? We are just 'keeping in touch' - like reaching out and touching someone.
Elliot Ness took out Al Capone over financials - think you will survive the public's scrutiny?
Time for the FCPS Mafia to go.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 29, 2011 12:06PM
and worse yet, the email below proves that they knew how to fix the problem long before May 2010.
From: SKYantis@aol.com [mailto:SKYantis@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:05 PM
To: Mayorofcliftonva@aol.com
Cc: michael.anton@cox.net; Springfield BOS Email
Subject: Re: Clifton Elementary School
Tom,
I spoke with Bob Edelman, Virginia Department of Health (VDH), today
regarding issues with the well at the school. He is going to fax me
some information. As I understand it, the issue with the well is that
the pipes are old and corrosive; therefore, the pipes affect the water
quality with increased levels of lead and copper in the water. He
mentioned that the problem is variable in that some times the levels are
increased and other times it is fine. However, VDH recommended to the
School system several years ago to install a "corrosion inhibitor"
system to the well. This system is widely used for this purpose and is
very successful in alleviating the problem. It consists of a 50 gallon
tank, metering pump, hose, connectors and wiring...very simple system.
Fairfax Water as well as the water system in DC uses this system for the
aging pipes in their jurisdictions. It is very cost-effective and
simple to add to the system. He estimated maybe $5000 but was not sure
of the exact cost. Bob indicated that the issue of the well alone
should not justify closing of the school.
Let me know who to contact at Bell Well & Pump so I can convey this info
and fax them the information from VDH.
Susan Yantis
From: SKYantis@aol.com [mailto:SKYantis@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:05 PM
To: Mayorofcliftonva@aol.com
Cc: michael.anton@cox.net; Springfield BOS Email
Subject: Re: Clifton Elementary School
Tom,
I spoke with Bob Edelman, Virginia Department of Health (VDH), today
regarding issues with the well at the school. He is going to fax me
some information. As I understand it, the issue with the well is that
the pipes are old and corrosive; therefore, the pipes affect the water
quality with increased levels of lead and copper in the water. He
mentioned that the problem is variable in that some times the levels are
increased and other times it is fine. However, VDH recommended to the
School system several years ago to install a "corrosion inhibitor"
system to the well. This system is widely used for this purpose and is
very successful in alleviating the problem. It consists of a 50 gallon
tank, metering pump, hose, connectors and wiring...very simple system.
Fairfax Water as well as the water system in DC uses this system for the
aging pipes in their jurisdictions. It is very cost-effective and
simple to add to the system. He estimated maybe $5000 but was not sure
of the exact cost. Bob indicated that the issue of the well alone
should not justify closing of the school.
Let me know who to contact at Bell Well & Pump so I can convey this info
and fax them the information from VDH.
Susan Yantis
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Quote-tastic
()
Date: January 29, 2011 12:18PM
From the best of - Fairfax Times, the new PR extension of FCPS.
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2904
Does Holly Hobbs work for Barbara Hunter now?
Attachments:
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2904
Does Holly Hobbs work for Barbara Hunter now?
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FRAUD ALERT!
()
Date: January 29, 2011 12:23PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> and worse yet, the email below proves that they
> knew how to fix the problem long before May 2010.
>
>
> From: SKYantis@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:05 PM
> To: Mayorofcliftonva@aol.com
> Cc: michael.anton@cox.net; Springfield BOS Email
> Subject: Re: Clifton Elementary School
>
> Tom,
>
> I spoke with Bob Edelman, Virginia Department of
> Health (VDH), today
> regarding issues with the well at the school. He
> is going to fax me
> some information. As I understand it, the issue
> with the well is that
> the pipes are old and corrosive; therefore, the
> pipes affect the water
> quality with increased levels of lead and copper
> in the water. He
> mentioned that the problem is variable in that
> some times the levels are
> increased and other times it is fine. However,
> VDH recommended to the
> School system several years ago to install a
> "corrosion inhibitor"
> system to the well. This system is widely used
> for this purpose and is
> very successful in alleviating the problem. It
> consists of a 50 gallon
> tank, metering pump, hose, connectors and
> wiring...very simple system.
> Fairfax Water as well as the water system in DC
> uses this system for the
> aging pipes in their jurisdictions. It is very
> cost-effective and
> simple to add to the system. He estimated maybe
> $5000 but was not sure
> of the exact cost. Bob indicated that the issue
> of the well alone
> should not justify closing of the school.
>
>
> Let me know who to contact at Bell Well & Pump so
> I can convey this info
> and fax them the information from VDH.
>
>
> Susan Yantis
Attachments:
-------------------------------------------------------
> and worse yet, the email below proves that they
> knew how to fix the problem long before May 2010.
>
>
> From: SKYantis@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:05 PM
> To: Mayorofcliftonva@aol.com
> Cc: michael.anton@cox.net; Springfield BOS Email
> Subject: Re: Clifton Elementary School
>
> Tom,
>
> I spoke with Bob Edelman, Virginia Department of
> Health (VDH), today
> regarding issues with the well at the school. He
> is going to fax me
> some information. As I understand it, the issue
> with the well is that
> the pipes are old and corrosive; therefore, the
> pipes affect the water
> quality with increased levels of lead and copper
> in the water. He
> mentioned that the problem is variable in that
> some times the levels are
> increased and other times it is fine. However,
> VDH recommended to the
> School system several years ago to install a
> "corrosion inhibitor"
> system to the well. This system is widely used
> for this purpose and is
> very successful in alleviating the problem. It
> consists of a 50 gallon
> tank, metering pump, hose, connectors and
> wiring...very simple system.
> Fairfax Water as well as the water system in DC
> uses this system for the
> aging pipes in their jurisdictions. It is very
> cost-effective and
> simple to add to the system. He estimated maybe
> $5000 but was not sure
> of the exact cost. Bob indicated that the issue
> of the well alone
> should not justify closing of the school.
>
>
> Let me know who to contact at Bell Well & Pump so
> I can convey this info
> and fax them the information from VDH.
>
>
> Susan Yantis
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
They way they are/were
()
Date: January 29, 2011 12:52PM
Pretty much sums them up.
Attachments:
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FORMER FCPS PARENT
()
Date: January 29, 2011 01:07PM
Don't be fooled by Bradsher's apparent interest in West Springfield High School. This is just a feint so she can really concentrate on her ONLY interest in FCPS, i.e., the schools in the South County pyramid.
This is the worst school board in the history of FCPS. Liz, Tessie and Tina are the corks in the bottle.
This is the worst school board in the history of FCPS. Liz, Tessie and Tina are the corks in the bottle.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: January 29, 2011 01:32PM
Quote-tastic Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> From the best of - Fairfax Times, the new PR
> extension of FCPS.
> http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2904
>
>
> Does Holly Hobbs work for Barbara Hunter now?
Reporters are mostly lazy, and those assigned to Metro desks are generally the laziest of them all. Same for the hacks who work for papers like the Fairfax Times.
They think a "scoop" is getting five minutes of Tessie Wilson's time to hear her blather about a redistricting that helps ensure that our elementary schools "only" have 950 students.
Pathetic.
-------------------------------------------------------
> From the best of - Fairfax Times, the new PR
> extension of FCPS.
> http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2904
>
>
> Does Holly Hobbs work for Barbara Hunter now?
Reporters are mostly lazy, and those assigned to Metro desks are generally the laziest of them all. Same for the hacks who work for papers like the Fairfax Times.
They think a "scoop" is getting five minutes of Tessie Wilson's time to hear her blather about a redistricting that helps ensure that our elementary schools "only" have 950 students.
Pathetic.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: January 29, 2011 03:38PM
SC Parent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz Bradsher is the most hated and most dishonest women in Fairfax County.<
Kathy Smith and Janie Strauss give Liz a strong run for her money for that title.
BTW, someone has announced for the Republican endorsement for the Springfield district seat on School Board: Elizabeth Schultz.
And apparently, Liz is not even trying to get that endorsement.
Has she figured out that she has no shot?
What do folks know about Ms. Schultz?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz Bradsher is the most hated and most dishonest women in Fairfax County.<
Kathy Smith and Janie Strauss give Liz a strong run for her money for that title.
BTW, someone has announced for the Republican endorsement for the Springfield district seat on School Board: Elizabeth Schultz.
And apparently, Liz is not even trying to get that endorsement.
Has she figured out that she has no shot?
What do folks know about Ms. Schultz?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
C2H5OH
()
Date: January 29, 2011 03:54PM
Don't all the alcohol references in her e-mails constitute some sort of violation of FCPS rules? I've worked with some heavy drinkers, and I've never seen anyone referring to drinking in their e-mail communication like this lady.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Jules
()
Date: January 29, 2011 04:00PM
Quote-tastic Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> From the best of - Fairfax Times, the new PR
> extension of FCPS.
> http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2904
>
>
> Does Holly Hobbs work for Barbara Hunter now?
Boycott the advertisers of this driveway pulping rag. Let the advertisers know that if you see ads in this birdcage liner, you'll never by visit there again. This paper is totally in bed with the school board and the entire big-government apparatus of FFX CO.
Believe me, it'll work if just a couple dozen people tell a realtor that they will bad mouth them if they don't back down or a local business that they'll tell their friends not to go there.
-------------------------------------------------------
> From the best of - Fairfax Times, the new PR
> extension of FCPS.
> http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2904
>
>
> Does Holly Hobbs work for Barbara Hunter now?
Boycott the advertisers of this driveway pulping rag. Let the advertisers know that if you see ads in this birdcage liner, you'll never by visit there again. This paper is totally in bed with the school board and the entire big-government apparatus of FFX CO.
Believe me, it'll work if just a couple dozen people tell a realtor that they will bad mouth them if they don't back down or a local business that they'll tell their friends not to go there.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
info2
()
Date: January 29, 2011 04:14PM
Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> SC Parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Liz Bradsher is the most hated and most
> dishonest women in Fairfax County.<
>
> Kathy Smith and Janie Strauss give Liz a strong
> run for her money for that title.
>
> BTW, someone has announced for the Republican
> endorsement for the Springfield district seat on
> School Board: Elizabeth Schultz.
>
> And apparently, Liz is not even trying to get that
> endorsement.
>
> Has she figured out that she has no shot?
>
> What do folks know about Ms. Schultz?
I know that Ms. Schultz and her husband have been interested and involved in education for awhile. Believe they are basically the people who set up the Innovation and Invention Fair at Clifton Elementary that CES has every year which revolves around innovation and science. It would be nice to have someone on the Board that is actually interested in the education of the kids.
-------------------------------------------------------
> SC Parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Liz Bradsher is the most hated and most
> dishonest women in Fairfax County.<
>
> Kathy Smith and Janie Strauss give Liz a strong
> run for her money for that title.
>
> BTW, someone has announced for the Republican
> endorsement for the Springfield district seat on
> School Board: Elizabeth Schultz.
>
> And apparently, Liz is not even trying to get that
> endorsement.
>
> Has she figured out that she has no shot?
>
> What do folks know about Ms. Schultz?
I know that Ms. Schultz and her husband have been interested and involved in education for awhile. Believe they are basically the people who set up the Innovation and Invention Fair at Clifton Elementary that CES has every year which revolves around innovation and science. It would be nice to have someone on the Board that is actually interested in the education of the kids.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: January 29, 2011 04:16PM
Quote-tastic Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> From the best of - Fairfax Times, the new PR extension of FCPS. http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2904<;
Isn't it strange that Brad Center and Janie Strauss have prominent quotes; Bradsher has none; and Wilson and Smith have almost nothing substantive to say. Yet the schools are in Bradsher's, Smith's & Wilson's districts.
Is this another example of Regnier's pr shop in action?
What a maroon!
-------------------------------------------------------
> From the best of - Fairfax Times, the new PR extension of FCPS. http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2904<;
Isn't it strange that Brad Center and Janie Strauss have prominent quotes; Bradsher has none; and Wilson and Smith have almost nothing substantive to say. Yet the schools are in Bradsher's, Smith's & Wilson's districts.
Is this another example of Regnier's pr shop in action?
What a maroon!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 29, 2011 04:31PM
In the email below, Liz states that many of the reasons for the closing of CES dealt with "matters of education". Really?? Since when do you close an award winning school based on "matters of education"?
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Reesie Stukes
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 9/2/2010 3:49:45 PM
Subject: RE: SAVE CLIFTON ELEMENTARY
Attachments:
Thank you for your email. We have many great schools in Fairfax County
and many needs. The action to close Clifton took place in July as a
result of a 9-2 School Board vote. The decision to close Clifton was
due to researched and documented reasons many of which dealt with
matters of education.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Reesie Stukes
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 9/2/2010 3:49:45 PM
Subject: RE: SAVE CLIFTON ELEMENTARY
Attachments:
Thank you for your email. We have many great schools in Fairfax County
and many needs. The action to close Clifton took place in July as a
result of a 9-2 School Board vote. The decision to close Clifton was
due to researched and documented reasons many of which dealt with
matters of education.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: January 29, 2011 04:52PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> In the email below, Liz states that many of the
> reasons for the closing of CES dealt with "matters
> of education". Really?? Since when do you close
> an award winning school based on "matters of
> education"?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> To: Reesie Stukes
> CC:
> BCC:
> Sent: 9/2/2010 3:49:45 PM
> Subject: RE: SAVE CLIFTON ELEMENTARY
>
> Attachments:
>
>
> Thank you for your email. We have many great
> schools in Fairfax County
> and many needs. The action to close Clifton took
> place in July as a
> result of a 9-2 School Board vote. The decision
> to close Clifton was
> due to researched and documented reasons many of
> which dealt with
> matters of education.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Liz Bradsher
>
>
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
>
> Fairfax County School Board
>
> Springfield District
>
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
>
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
>
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
I don't think she could sound more ignorant if she tried.
Sincerely,
Skeptical
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> In the email below, Liz states that many of the
> reasons for the closing of CES dealt with "matters
> of education". Really?? Since when do you close
> an award winning school based on "matters of
> education"?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> To: Reesie Stukes
> CC:
> BCC:
> Sent: 9/2/2010 3:49:45 PM
> Subject: RE: SAVE CLIFTON ELEMENTARY
>
> Attachments:
>
>
> Thank you for your email. We have many great
> schools in Fairfax County
> and many needs. The action to close Clifton took
> place in July as a
> result of a 9-2 School Board vote. The decision
> to close Clifton was
> due to researched and documented reasons many of
> which dealt with
> matters of education.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Liz Bradsher
>
>
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
>
> Fairfax County School Board
>
> Springfield District
>
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
>
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
>
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
I don't think she could sound more ignorant if she tried.
Sincerely,
Skeptical
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To FCPS Dirtbags
()
Date: January 29, 2011 08:11PM
What do you have to say for yourselves?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
U
()
Date: January 29, 2011 08:21PM
The comments in this thread are phukking awesome, despite what some brainless sock puppet thinks
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
any enlightened media?
()
Date: January 29, 2011 09:00PM
Thomas More Wrote:
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> Quote-tastic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > From the best of - Fairfax Times, the new PR
> extension of FCPS.
> http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2904<;
>
>
> Isn't it strange that Brad Center and Janie
> Strauss have prominent quotes; Bradsher has none;
> and Wilson and Smith have almost nothing
> substantive to say. Yet the schools are in
> Bradsher's, Smith's & Wilson's districts.
>
> Is this another example of Regnier's pr shop in
> action?
>
> What a maroon!
I noticed this too. The school board is pushing hard to get some positive spin here.
Does any media outlet in the area dare to pull back the curtain around the "Wizard of Oz" ? Declare "the emperor has no clothes on" ?
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> Quote-tastic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > From the best of - Fairfax Times, the new PR
> extension of FCPS.
> http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2904<;
>
>
> Isn't it strange that Brad Center and Janie
> Strauss have prominent quotes; Bradsher has none;
> and Wilson and Smith have almost nothing
> substantive to say. Yet the schools are in
> Bradsher's, Smith's & Wilson's districts.
>
> Is this another example of Regnier's pr shop in
> action?
>
> What a maroon!
I noticed this too. The school board is pushing hard to get some positive spin here.
Does any media outlet in the area dare to pull back the curtain around the "Wizard of Oz" ? Declare "the emperor has no clothes on" ?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not a pretty visual
()
Date: January 29, 2011 09:20PM
any enlightened media? Wrote:
> I noticed this too. The school board is pushing
> hard to get some positive spin here.
>
> Does any media outlet in the area dare to pull
> back the curtain around the "Wizard of Oz" ?
> Declare "the emperor has no clothes on" ?
EEWWW! That means we have to picture Dale (or Tistadt) with no clothes on - and we all know what their street rep on that.
No thanks - choosing to be oblivious on that.
On failure to perform (oops. Freudian slip!) will be a dog on a bone, though.
> I noticed this too. The school board is pushing
> hard to get some positive spin here.
>
> Does any media outlet in the area dare to pull
> back the curtain around the "Wizard of Oz" ?
> Declare "the emperor has no clothes on" ?
EEWWW! That means we have to picture Dale (or Tistadt) with no clothes on - and we all know what their street rep on that.
No thanks - choosing to be oblivious on that.
On failure to perform (oops. Freudian slip!) will be a dog on a bone, though.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
you gotta be kidding
()
Date: January 30, 2011 12:32AM
Yep, according to the word on the street, at the retreat the FCPS school board sat around for several hours talking about how to "better relate" to each other.
What about talking about how to help students and teachers?
Nov 2011 is how many months away......
What about talking about how to help students and teachers?
Nov 2011 is how many months away......
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Set the record straight
()
Date: January 30, 2011 12:40AM
Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Quote-tastic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > From the best of - Fairfax Times, the new PR
> extension of FCPS.
> http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2904<;
>
>
> Isn't it strange that Brad Center and Janie
> Strauss have prominent quotes; Bradsher has none;
> and Wilson and Smith have almost nothing
> substantive to say. Yet the schools are in
> Bradsher's, Smith's & Wilson's districts.
>
> Is this another example of Regnier's pr shop in
> action?
>
> What a maroon!
Center is leaving....he is the new PR spin master for FCPS school board....
-------------------------------------------------------
> Quote-tastic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > From the best of - Fairfax Times, the new PR
> extension of FCPS.
> http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2904<;
>
>
> Isn't it strange that Brad Center and Janie
> Strauss have prominent quotes; Bradsher has none;
> and Wilson and Smith have almost nothing
> substantive to say. Yet the schools are in
> Bradsher's, Smith's & Wilson's districts.
>
> Is this another example of Regnier's pr shop in
> action?
>
> What a maroon!
Center is leaving....he is the new PR spin master for FCPS school board....
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Animorpher
()
Date: January 30, 2011 04:30AM
Time to send the Wicked Witch and her flying monkeys packing.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
pictures
()
Date: January 30, 2011 01:54PM
Animorpher Wrote:
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> Time to send the Wicked Witch and her flying
> monkeys packing.
Absolutely hilarious picture! I keep coming back to the list just to see all of these pictures!
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> Time to send the Wicked Witch and her flying
> monkeys packing.
Absolutely hilarious picture! I keep coming back to the list just to see all of these pictures!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thespian
()
Date: January 30, 2011 07:58PM
any enlightened media? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas More Wrote:
> I noticed this too. The school board is pushing
> hard to get some positive spin here.
>
> Does any media outlet in the area dare to pull
> back the curtain around the "Wizard of Oz" ?
> Declare "the emperor has no clothes on" ?
The SB wants coverage, we will give them coverage - which FCPS HS will be producing this come spring?
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> Thomas More Wrote:
> I noticed this too. The school board is pushing
> hard to get some positive spin here.
>
> Does any media outlet in the area dare to pull
> back the curtain around the "Wizard of Oz" ?
> Declare "the emperor has no clothes on" ?
The SB wants coverage, we will give them coverage - which FCPS HS will be producing this come spring?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
My poor putty tat
()
Date: January 30, 2011 08:25PM
I tawt I taw a putty tat.
You did! You did tee a putty tat!
Oh, poor putty tat is scared!
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You did! You did tee a putty tat!
Oh, poor putty tat is scared!
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: January 30, 2011 09:09PM
Even the staff was doubting the projections for CES, and again didn't use the entire attendance boundary for CES. What a joke.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: James, Denise
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/28/2010 7:41:23 PM
Subject: Re: Housing Sales
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Coincidence?
________________________________
From: James, Denise
To: Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Mon Jun 28 19:30:28 2010
Subject: FW: Housing Sales
This from Larry late last week - Charlie Rau indicated that 36 students were registered for kindergarten for this fall - today it seems to up already
From: Bizette, Larry T.
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:59 PM
To: James, Denise
Subject: Housing Sales
Total housing sales in the Clifton, Union Mill and part of Willow Springs areas (20124 zip code) for March, April and May of the following years:
2005 59
2006 56
2007 41
2008 36
2009 29
2010 51
How many of those houses sold were actually of retirees moving out and being replaced with younger families moving in?
Larry
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: James, Denise
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/28/2010 7:41:23 PM
Subject: Re: Housing Sales
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Coincidence?
________________________________
From: James, Denise
To: Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Mon Jun 28 19:30:28 2010
Subject: FW: Housing Sales
This from Larry late last week - Charlie Rau indicated that 36 students were registered for kindergarten for this fall - today it seems to up already
From: Bizette, Larry T.
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:59 PM
To: James, Denise
Subject: Housing Sales
Total housing sales in the Clifton, Union Mill and part of Willow Springs areas (20124 zip code) for March, April and May of the following years:
2005 59
2006 56
2007 41
2008 36
2009 29
2010 51
How many of those houses sold were actually of retirees moving out and being replaced with younger families moving in?
Larry
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The Real World
()
Date: January 30, 2011 10:48PM
Stay back 300 feet - flammable.
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Posted by:
Inspired!
()
Date: January 30, 2011 11:58PM
Will the real Liz Bradsher please stand up?
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Posted by:
Curious too
()
Date: January 31, 2011 02:31AM
Not sure how Bradsher complains that her children opened hate mail and she was such a victim, when she sends what she thinks is hate mail directly to them.
This just states a mission - not hate. But when you live as a blamer and subscribing to victimology, you are never responsible for your actions.
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This just states a mission - not hate. But when you live as a blamer and subscribing to victimology, you are never responsible for your actions.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
sondheim
()
Date: January 31, 2011 07:15AM
Very creepy/weird that Liz Bradsher sends these emails (that people have written to Liz) to her daughter's email. Very unprofessional, and WEIRD.
How did Liz Bradsher ever gain acceptance into any college, let alone graduate? She seems to be quite unintelligent and primitive to have behaved in this manner as a school board *representative*.
How did Liz Bradsher ever gain acceptance into any college, let alone graduate? She seems to be quite unintelligent and primitive to have behaved in this manner as a school board *representative*.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
wow
()
Date: January 31, 2011 07:26AM
Wow, she thinks that's hate mail? That sounded like a concerned, frustrated constituent petitioning their government - you know, the rights they talked about in the Declaration of Independence.
Anyone that perceives a policy diasgreement as hate speech really should not be in public life. And even if you perceive it that way, to share it with your child? 'Gee, Susy, look at how all the people that Mommy works for hate her'. Wierd.
Anyone that perceives a policy diasgreement as hate speech really should not be in public life. And even if you perceive it that way, to share it with your child? 'Gee, Susy, look at how all the people that Mommy works for hate her'. Wierd.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
slubdawg
()
Date: January 31, 2011 07:56AM
I've been reading this thread with great interest. However, I'm now wondering if all this dissent is going to make any difference whatsoever. I hope it does, but haven't seen any difference in the stance of the school board or the FCPS admin.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sign up!
()
Date: January 31, 2011 10:29AM
Since everyone on here seems to have something to say, and you should be saying these things to the school board at the public hearing next week, I thought I'd make it easy for everyone to sign up. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/JK798WD
You get 3 minutes, and remember, you may only speak about the SW boundary study. Which leaves the field wide open in my opinion. After all, if Liz B. hadn't gone to such extreme lengths to close CES, the SW Boundary Study would look much different. How many schools would be dropped from the SWBS if CES stayed open? Hmmmm??? Interestingly enough, someone did ask that question, but the staff hasn't answered it yet. Wonder if we'll have an answer before the hearing next week......
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/faq.pdf
Posted January 13, 2011
1. Are there really no questions since 12-22-2010?
The most recent questions and responses have been posted.
2. Is there any procedure to open the topic to include Clifton as was originally in the scope and obviously impacts Option D (and A B C)? I know staff does not want to but can a school board member include?
This question has been referred to the Clerk of the School Board and a response will be provided in the near future.
You get 3 minutes, and remember, you may only speak about the SW boundary study. Which leaves the field wide open in my opinion. After all, if Liz B. hadn't gone to such extreme lengths to close CES, the SW Boundary Study would look much different. How many schools would be dropped from the SWBS if CES stayed open? Hmmmm??? Interestingly enough, someone did ask that question, but the staff hasn't answered it yet. Wonder if we'll have an answer before the hearing next week......
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/faq.pdf
Posted January 13, 2011
1. Are there really no questions since 12-22-2010?
The most recent questions and responses have been posted.
2. Is there any procedure to open the topic to include Clifton as was originally in the scope and obviously impacts Option D (and A B C)? I know staff does not want to but can a school board member include?
This question has been referred to the Clerk of the School Board and a response will be provided in the near future.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mommy Lion
()
Date: January 31, 2011 01:34PM
Can you imagine?
Yes, we can. FCPS will pull back on the staff recommendation to close Clifton upon building of a new school at Liberty.
Which is what they did. After railroading through Liz Bradsher's architected vote.
So after FCPS says for a year that Liberty is the best location, they suddenly don't build a new school.
THIS IS WHY.
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Yes, we can. FCPS will pull back on the staff recommendation to close Clifton upon building of a new school at Liberty.
Which is what they did. After railroading through Liz Bradsher's architected vote.
So after FCPS says for a year that Liberty is the best location, they suddenly don't build a new school.
THIS IS WHY.
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Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: January 31, 2011 01:36PM
sondheim Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Very creepy/weird that Liz Bradsher sends these
> emails (that people have written to Liz) to her
> daughter's email. Very unprofessional, and
> WEIRD.
>
> How did Liz Bradsher ever gain acceptance into any
> college, let alone graduate? She seems to be
> quite unintelligent and primitive to have behaved
> in this manner as a school board *representative*.
She's simply not an intelligent or a mature person, and she has no business serving on the School Board or in any other representative capacity.
Whenever challenged, she resorts to playing the victim or running for support to her family or her cronies. Apparently, that's much easier for her than trying to discuss (or, God forbid, debate) issues on the merits.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Very creepy/weird that Liz Bradsher sends these
> emails (that people have written to Liz) to her
> daughter's email. Very unprofessional, and
> WEIRD.
>
> How did Liz Bradsher ever gain acceptance into any
> college, let alone graduate? She seems to be
> quite unintelligent and primitive to have behaved
> in this manner as a school board *representative*.
She's simply not an intelligent or a mature person, and she has no business serving on the School Board or in any other representative capacity.
Whenever challenged, she resorts to playing the victim or running for support to her family or her cronies. Apparently, that's much easier for her than trying to discuss (or, God forbid, debate) issues on the merits.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 04:46PM
It is Award show season.
Let's see, Oscars, Emmys, Tonys, Golden Globes, People's Choice - what are these awards going to be called?
This is all just too good. Probably can't read it all in time off, but worth a
"Best of" Review.
Vote for your favorite!
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Let's see, Oscars, Emmys, Tonys, Golden Globes, People's Choice - what are these awards going to be called?
This is all just too good. Probably can't read it all in time off, but worth a
"Best of" Review.
Vote for your favorite!
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 04:48PM
scorchingly funny!
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 04:50PM
homemade quality - good effort
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 04:53PM
Mmmmm. Subtle - Oak panelly. A solid 'A', I think.
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 04:55PM
Artistic? Not so much.
But interpretive qualities are excellent.
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But interpretive qualities are excellent.
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:06PM
Nuanced insinuation of FCPS Staff's Tistadt as Grim Reaper. Nice.
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:09PM
Complexity, subject matter and artistic quality are terrific.
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:12PM
As an avid theatre fan, have to say I love the reference. Not so much on originality, but another nice submission - good effort.
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:15PM
One of the top honors in my book for interpretive use of material - very clever!
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:18PM
Fluffy but funny. A bit 'pink' - Liz doesn't strike me as the pink type, but get the Fairy Tale tie in.
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Posted by:
wicked
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:20PM
Many great cartoons have been contributed, but I really like the "Wicked" poster. It captures the essence of what's been going on here.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:21PM
Made me giggle - but still, What on earth?
Need to up your game with the underground art crew on this thread!
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
anger management 101
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:25PM
Does anyone have the videotape of when Bradsher threw her nametag against the wall at the work session?
Now that could be a You Tube classic.
School Board gone wild video series anyone?
Money to be made here.
Now that could be a You Tube classic.
School Board gone wild video series anyone?
Money to be made here.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:25PM
On so many levels, this is in the running near the top for me.
Still, art work may get edged out.
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Still, art work may get edged out.
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:29PM
I didn't realize how many there were to choose from until I started looking. Sometimes simple is best.
Excellent composition. Simple, clean with a clear message. Very good.
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Excellent composition. Simple, clean with a clear message. Very good.
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:32PM
Visceral piece. Gets you right in the gut.
Edgy.
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Edgy.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:37PM
Get the point, but - I don't know. Imaginative, though. Just ok for me.
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:39PM
For sheer funny factor - this is hilarious!
Great translation of thought to message through picture.
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Great translation of thought to message through picture.
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:44PM
Again - simple strikes home. Won't be top honors, but big return on investment!
Good Two Buck Chuck type drawing!
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Good Two Buck Chuck type drawing!
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Posted by:
trailers?
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:46PM
I know Fairview and Oak View won't need trailers. Will Union Mill need trailers?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:47PM
I think it's funny, though I am not sure why. Superior work, though a little confused on message.
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:49PM
A bit of an artistic license, but forgiven under the circumstances.
Thank you for playing.
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Thank you for playing.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:51PM
May take home the 'most kid oriented' award.
A student submission, maybe?
Good effort.
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A student submission, maybe?
Good effort.
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:54PM
Artistic qualities, excellent.
Incorporation of reference and messaging, excellent.
Creativity, excellent.
Running near top, I would say. A definite "A" in any event.
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Incorporation of reference and messaging, excellent.
Creativity, excellent.
Running near top, I would say. A definite "A" in any event.
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:55PM
OK - need to update your material. Get it, but need to keep it fresh.
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:58PM
Nice juxtaposition of subject and message. Very good. Love the feeling that comes through on this one.
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
()
Date: January 31, 2011 06:01PM
Casting the net wide by integrating a Board of Supervisor reference - very clever. Sly. Unsophisticated but excellent relay of the point.
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Posted by:
TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 06:04PM
Art leaves a bit to be desired - dark and edgy.
Thanks for playing - keep trying.
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 06:10PM
We may have a winner - certainly another in the top ranks running for it.
Excellent incorporation and use of theme.
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 06:59PM
Sheer entertainment value is great on this one - I forget the context of it, but I am sure it was right on the money.
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 07:01PM
People free but great use of imaging. Excellent visual.
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 07:10PM
Mmmm. So so.
Another student entry?
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Another student entry?
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 07:14PM
Wow. Another top contender. Medium, subject excellent.
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 07:17PM
We are at Chinese menu status - so many good things to choose from, how do we get to a top winner?
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 07:27PM
I love this = while another dated reference, but it is nightmare inducing.
Frightening award?
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Frightening award?
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 07:33PM
Spectacular artistic, visual, and overall messaging.
Best in theme?
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Best in theme?
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 07:36PM
May give best "bumper sticker" worthy award - superior art, direct and clear messaging = a lot in a small package. Big ROI.
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 07:47PM
Composition is off the charts. Best conversion of play to screen.
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 07:58PM
This one is like a fine wine. It just keeps getting better with time!
A definite "A", maybe bonus points for Dr. Evil reference.
This is how you do more current pop art. Great submission!
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A definite "A", maybe bonus points for Dr. Evil reference.
This is how you do more current pop art. Great submission!
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 08:03PM
There is 'old' as in tired reference for material and then there is old as in 'classic'.
This is funny, relevant, classic - artistic, not really - but great entertainment quality.
Terrific job.
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This is funny, relevant, classic - artistic, not really - but great entertainment quality.
Terrific job.
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Date: January 31, 2011 08:06PM
For "Best incorporation of FOIA into a theme", this is a dead on winner.
Again, not original, but imitation is a form a flattery - this one is tops for that.
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Again, not original, but imitation is a form a flattery - this one is tops for that.
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 08:10PM
Honorable mention in the "Best incorporation of FOIA into a theme" award.
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 08:14PM
This one coulda been a contender. Just not there on composition or effort.
Worst editing award?
Will give you extra points for the flavor of "cripple you at the knees" reference, though.
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Worst editing award?
Will give you extra points for the flavor of "cripple you at the knees" reference, though.
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 08:18PM
Odds on favorite for Best Work in Miniature. Captured Dean on a postage stamp, eh?
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 08:21PM
Wonderful development of message - wish this was a bit more "Liz"y.
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 08:25PM
Never thought of a 'best use or incorporation of rodents before', but this one seems a likely candidate.
Bonus for chuckle factor.
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 08:30PM
Not sure why, but this one doesn't do it for me.
The fact that Bradsher insinuated K-6 might actually bring vodka to school in a water bottle just is too much to judge this one independently of the comment.
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The fact that Bradsher insinuated K-6 might actually bring vodka to school in a water bottle just is too much to judge this one independently of the comment.
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herewegoagain
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Date: January 31, 2011 08:41PM
just read this one again. Why the hell is Liz forwarding Patty Reed's email to Kathy and Tessie, and "at their request"? WHAT is that about?!?!
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/7/2010 7:04:00 PM
Subject: FW: Communications question
Attachments:
Tessie,
Per your request.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); tessie..wilson@fcps.edu
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/7/2010 7:03:00 PM
Subject: FW: Communications question
Attachments:
Per your request.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:50 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Communications question
Thanks for the reply. I didn't know whether to meet with the citizens and if so, what to say. I feel like we are often in reactionary mode and it helps to have talking points.
Patricia S. Reed
Fairfax County School Board, Providence District
571-423-1084
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
571-423-1070 or Dlcain@fcps.edu
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Reed, Patty (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Dale, Jack; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Cain, Debora L.
Sent: Mon Jun 07 16:39:38 2010
Subject: RE: Communications question
Patty,
I learned long ago to take what is written in the papers with a grain of salt.
The information you were referring to was from the on-line blog at The Examiner. What was sent in was a press release statement by either Pat Herrity’s office or constituents. The Examiner, as of last week, has begun an online Blog for local community issues. I spoke to the reporter today who asked me great questions and will no doubt be doing an article from both perspectives on this issue. He also read the report and has posted further comment on the issue, it can be seen at: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/blogs/capital-land/cost-at-center-of-potential-clifton-elem-closing-95785694.html
As the District member who has worked on this issue I can say without any hesitation that full transparency has been afforded to the public on this issue and I have spent countless hours with constituents and staff to make sure we have informed the public to the best of our ability. (If they choose to remain uninformed or spin the facts then that is their prerogative, although not recommendable.) The Community Ad Hoc group admitted in their presentation there is not one solution to the problems at Clifton and the other schools in the Southwest Study, rather there may be multiple solutions. Nevertheless it does appear boundary changes will need to take place. What these changes are we do not know because we have yet, as a Board, to tackle the Clifton issue which drives the rest of this decision.
Supervisor Pat Herrity has been very vocal on this issue but not once during the last 7-8 months has he or his staff talked to me about the issues at Clifton. He seems to prefer broad based comments on what the community wants to hear, he does not want the facts. If he did he certainly would have asked me by now. His comments appear to be based upon political posturing which he believes will impact positively upon his campaign for Congress. My decision and hopefully that of my colleagues will be based upon what is right for the students at Clifton and the Southwestern area and what is right for our system.
Personally and professionally this remains a difficult issue for me; however I do not intend to shy away from the public, the press and the true issues and concerns.
President Harry Truman said “If you can’t stand the heat then get out of the kitchen.†---Well it is just now heating up and I am a pretty good cook and hope to remain in the kitchen.
Liz
PS I take risk at writing this in an email but it remains the best form of communication per your email earlier today.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:36 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Dale, Jack; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Cain, Debora L.
Subject: Communications question
Importance: High
I am confused. I thought we had not yet done a boundary study to decide on the fate of the southwest area. Why is the media feeding into the public frenzy regarding Clifton Elementary, and what can be done to address the confusion? People are beginning to organize to protest, as you probably know.
Thanks,
Patty
FCPS in the news:
Fairfax staff recommends axing Clifton Elementary http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/blogs/capital-land/fairfax-staff-recommends-axing-clifton-elementary-95680324.html (Examiner)
A Fairfax County Public Schools staff report has recommended the School Board close Clifton Elementary, an option school officials have considered for weeks.
Patricia S. Reed
Fairfax County School Board
Providence District
Phone: 571-423-1084
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: 571-423-1070
DLCain@fcps.edu
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2011 08:43PM by herewegoagain.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/7/2010 7:04:00 PM
Subject: FW: Communications question
Attachments:
Tessie,
Per your request.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); tessie..wilson@fcps.edu
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/7/2010 7:03:00 PM
Subject: FW: Communications question
Attachments:
Per your request.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:50 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Communications question
Thanks for the reply. I didn't know whether to meet with the citizens and if so, what to say. I feel like we are often in reactionary mode and it helps to have talking points.
Patricia S. Reed
Fairfax County School Board, Providence District
571-423-1084
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
571-423-1070 or Dlcain@fcps.edu
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: Reed, Patty (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Dale, Jack; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Cain, Debora L.
Sent: Mon Jun 07 16:39:38 2010
Subject: RE: Communications question
Patty,
I learned long ago to take what is written in the papers with a grain of salt.
The information you were referring to was from the on-line blog at The Examiner. What was sent in was a press release statement by either Pat Herrity’s office or constituents. The Examiner, as of last week, has begun an online Blog for local community issues. I spoke to the reporter today who asked me great questions and will no doubt be doing an article from both perspectives on this issue. He also read the report and has posted further comment on the issue, it can be seen at: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/blogs/capital-land/cost-at-center-of-potential-clifton-elem-closing-95785694.html
As the District member who has worked on this issue I can say without any hesitation that full transparency has been afforded to the public on this issue and I have spent countless hours with constituents and staff to make sure we have informed the public to the best of our ability. (If they choose to remain uninformed or spin the facts then that is their prerogative, although not recommendable.) The Community Ad Hoc group admitted in their presentation there is not one solution to the problems at Clifton and the other schools in the Southwest Study, rather there may be multiple solutions. Nevertheless it does appear boundary changes will need to take place. What these changes are we do not know because we have yet, as a Board, to tackle the Clifton issue which drives the rest of this decision.
Supervisor Pat Herrity has been very vocal on this issue but not once during the last 7-8 months has he or his staff talked to me about the issues at Clifton. He seems to prefer broad based comments on what the community wants to hear, he does not want the facts. If he did he certainly would have asked me by now. His comments appear to be based upon political posturing which he believes will impact positively upon his campaign for Congress. My decision and hopefully that of my colleagues will be based upon what is right for the students at Clifton and the Southwestern area and what is right for our system.
Personally and professionally this remains a difficult issue for me; however I do not intend to shy away from the public, the press and the true issues and concerns.
President Harry Truman said “If you can’t stand the heat then get out of the kitchen.†---Well it is just now heating up and I am a pretty good cook and hope to remain in the kitchen.
Liz
PS I take risk at writing this in an email but it remains the best form of communication per your email earlier today.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:36 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Dale, Jack; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Cain, Debora L.
Subject: Communications question
Importance: High
I am confused. I thought we had not yet done a boundary study to decide on the fate of the southwest area. Why is the media feeding into the public frenzy regarding Clifton Elementary, and what can be done to address the confusion? People are beginning to organize to protest, as you probably know.
Thanks,
Patty
FCPS in the news:
Fairfax staff recommends axing Clifton Elementary http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/blogs/capital-land/fairfax-staff-recommends-axing-clifton-elementary-95680324.html (Examiner)
A Fairfax County Public Schools staff report has recommended the School Board close Clifton Elementary, an option school officials have considered for weeks.
Patricia S. Reed
Fairfax County School Board
Providence District
Phone: 571-423-1084
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: 571-423-1070
DLCain@fcps.edu
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2011 08:43PM by herewegoagain.
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Read the regs
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Date: January 31, 2011 09:14PM
From FCPS Regulation 4418.5:
The school system will not tolerate the possession of alcohol or illegal drugs or
the unlawful use of prescription drugs by its employees on the job or in
circumstances that may affect the job...
...
No employee shall report to work, perform assigned duties, engage in school
system business in the school community, or participate in an activity involving
students while the employee has detectable amounts of alcohol, illegal drugs,
unauthorized prescription drugs, or illegal drug metabolites in his or her system.
...
When reasonable suspicion of a violation of this regulation exists, the
employee may be tested for alcohol and drugs.
...
Any other employee who returns to duty after engaging in conduct
that violates this regulation, shall be sent to the employee assistance
program (EAP) and may be required to be evaluated by a substance
abuse professional...
The school system will not tolerate the possession of alcohol or illegal drugs or
the unlawful use of prescription drugs by its employees on the job or in
circumstances that may affect the job...
...
No employee shall report to work, perform assigned duties, engage in school
system business in the school community, or participate in an activity involving
students while the employee has detectable amounts of alcohol, illegal drugs,
unauthorized prescription drugs, or illegal drug metabolites in his or her system.
...
When reasonable suspicion of a violation of this regulation exists, the
employee may be tested for alcohol and drugs.
...
Any other employee who returns to duty after engaging in conduct
that violates this regulation, shall be sent to the employee assistance
program (EAP) and may be required to be evaluated by a substance
abuse professional...
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 09:28PM
Wait! New front runner.
Composition, subject matter, artistic quality - all superior!
An "A+"!
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An "A+"!
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 09:32PM
Another "A+" - excellent incoporation of characterization into artistic representation.
Superior comedic value!
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TW/Snow Day Siskel&Ebert
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Date: January 31, 2011 09:36PM
May be best overall - Best in Show.
Artistic, message incorporation, originality.
Head of the class?
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Artistic, message incorporation, originality.
Head of the class?
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Posted by:
Braddock too
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Date: February 01, 2011 02:33AM
The prophetic Tessie speaks.
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Informed Voter
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Date: February 01, 2011 02:52AM
Be aware, this man wants to represent you on the school board.
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Shut Your Yap
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Date: February 01, 2011 03:09AM
Get these women into solitary - what that do to their nastiness?
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Informed Voter
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Date: February 01, 2011 04:04AM
Stay informed.
These are our elected officials.
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Posted by:
Fulbright Scholar
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Date: February 01, 2011 05:33AM
With apologies to Mrs. Hone.
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Posted by:
personal agendas
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Date: February 01, 2011 08:10AM
"Personal agendas," "bias" and "emotion"---these can hardly be foreign concepts to members of the school board. A few seem to think that they are so elevated that they are above such influences.
And the comments about each other....! This is really pathetic.
"Quick! Let's pass Full Day Kindergarten (FDK) to validate our relevance in election year!" After sitting on this for 3-4 years, they finally ACT on it.
And the comments about each other....! This is really pathetic.
"Quick! Let's pass Full Day Kindergarten (FDK) to validate our relevance in election year!" After sitting on this for 3-4 years, they finally ACT on it.
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Posted by:
Nasty women
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Date: February 01, 2011 08:24AM
Tessie to Liz:
"Keep Dean in the loop. He can take Pat on in ways you can't, and he can provide data support for you! He might also be able to identify pitfalls that Clifton will not see or acknowledge!"
"And make sure you structure this in a way so YOU get the credit - not him. We can work on how to do that."
WOW. This is so UGLY. And these people claim to be working to support the quality of education for children? Why aren't the news outlets covering this story? Thank goodness for the Fairfax Underground.
Question: Why does Dean T. want to torpedo Clifton so badly? Is it something against Clifton, or is it chiefly to support Liz's political ambitions?
Liz B. and Tessie are seriously disturbed people.
"Keep Dean in the loop. He can take Pat on in ways you can't, and he can provide data support for you! He might also be able to identify pitfalls that Clifton will not see or acknowledge!"
"And make sure you structure this in a way so YOU get the credit - not him. We can work on how to do that."
WOW. This is so UGLY. And these people claim to be working to support the quality of education for children? Why aren't the news outlets covering this story? Thank goodness for the Fairfax Underground.
Question: Why does Dean T. want to torpedo Clifton so badly? Is it something against Clifton, or is it chiefly to support Liz's political ambitions?
Liz B. and Tessie are seriously disturbed people.
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Posted by:
reader
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Date: February 01, 2011 08:40AM
Nasty women asked,
Question: Why does Dean T. want to torpedo Clifton so badly? Is it something against Clifton, or is it chiefly to support Liz's political ambitions?
This is the missing puzzle piece. Also, why is he so anxious to move trailers and build on. Is it to keep his empire going.
There's a saying: "Follow the money" Is there some advantage here? Is it to keep Liz happy? Contracters happy?
Question: Why does Dean T. want to torpedo Clifton so badly? Is it something against Clifton, or is it chiefly to support Liz's political ambitions?
This is the missing puzzle piece. Also, why is he so anxious to move trailers and build on. Is it to keep his empire going.
There's a saying: "Follow the money" Is there some advantage here? Is it to keep Liz happy? Contracters happy?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Outcome
()
Date: February 01, 2011 11:23AM
It seems that the Clifton community has been given no solid plan for what will happen to their students and to the school land/building. What does Fairfax County plan to do with the land/school? Who is going to benefit from this school being closed?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
an idea
()
Date: February 01, 2011 11:34AM
Clifton parents should look at re-opening CES as a charter school. There is a great example of this happening at Pennsylvania. School board wanted to shut down an old ES and did. The parents organized and and are attempting to re-open it as a charter.
Not sure how the laws differ between VA and PA, but the template on how to do it has been laid out by these folks, although I don't think they have yet been successful in re-opening the school.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Jewett_Charter_School_Coalition
Not sure how the laws differ between VA and PA, but the template on how to do it has been laid out by these folks, although I don't think they have yet been successful in re-opening the school.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Jewett_Charter_School_Coalition
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Posted by:
no charter school
()
Date: February 01, 2011 12:12PM
You all are naive if you think that Tistadt doesn't already have a plan for this school building.
How long did Pimmitt Hills stay empty? A week? Then they pumper $7.5 million into it and converted it to administrative offices.
See, we have money in the budget to renovate administrative offices and buildings for adult education (basket weaving and such) centers-Edsall Park-we just don't have money for schools in areas where there is severe overcrowding.
Honestly, don't you understand their logic? It makes perfect sense.
How long did Pimmitt Hills stay empty? A week? Then they pumper $7.5 million into it and converted it to administrative offices.
See, we have money in the budget to renovate administrative offices and buildings for adult education (basket weaving and such) centers-Edsall Park-we just don't have money for schools in areas where there is severe overcrowding.
Honestly, don't you understand their logic? It makes perfect sense.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
accountability
()
Date: February 01, 2011 12:38PM
A large group of people (parents, students, community members) needs to demand for SPECIFIC answers from the school board and Fairfax County Public Schools. What is the plan for this land and building? What group gains from Clifton closing?
These decisions have been made behind multiple closed doors and/or using emails while intoxicated. At some point, this group of shaman-loving communicators must be held responsible for the mess they've created.
Unprofessional and embarrassing behavior gets people elected here in Fairfax, apparently.
These decisions have been made behind multiple closed doors and/or using emails while intoxicated. At some point, this group of shaman-loving communicators must be held responsible for the mess they've created.
Unprofessional and embarrassing behavior gets people elected here in Fairfax, apparently.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: February 01, 2011 11:47PM
Liz went to the Springfield Democratic District Committee meeting tonight and applied for membership in FCDC.
Her application was tabled.
Good try, Liz, but there is no way that the majority of the entire membership of FCDC would follow a recommendation from Springfield Democrats to accept your membership application. endorse you for re-election or support you challenging Pat Herrity.
What in the world are Ruth Miller, chairman of the Springfield Democrats, and Rex Simmons chair of FCDC and Springfield, thinking?
It gets worse . . .
Apparently she told SDDC that because of the closing of Clifton, FCPS would have enough money to extend all day K to the 37 richest elementary schools that haven't got it yet.
This is a complete lie.
Renovation money comes from the capital budget.
All day K comes out of the operating budget.
This women will stop at nothing to satiate her ego.
She's a sociopath.
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Her application was tabled.
Good try, Liz, but there is no way that the majority of the entire membership of FCDC would follow a recommendation from Springfield Democrats to accept your membership application. endorse you for re-election or support you challenging Pat Herrity.
What in the world are Ruth Miller, chairman of the Springfield Democrats, and Rex Simmons chair of FCDC and Springfield, thinking?
It gets worse . . .
Apparently she told SDDC that because of the closing of Clifton, FCPS would have enough money to extend all day K to the 37 richest elementary schools that haven't got it yet.
This is a complete lie.
Renovation money comes from the capital budget.
All day K comes out of the operating budget.
This women will stop at nothing to satiate her ego.
She's a sociopath.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2011 09:07AM by Thomas More.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Wb
()
Date: February 02, 2011 10:05AM
This is all so strange. How does Liz Bradsher managed to not examine her behavior in the last year and REFLECT on her conduct?
Delusional. Psychotic. Repugnant.
Delusional. Psychotic. Repugnant.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Save our PTAs
()
Date: February 03, 2011 12:25AM
How rude - rude - rude.
Tessie and Liz - you are morbid embarrassments.
Tuck your tails and go home.
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Tessie and Liz - you are morbid embarrassments.
Tuck your tails and go home.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
conspiracy facts, not a theory
()
Date: February 03, 2011 09:33PM
Is is just coincidence that the Washington Post did a story today on how parents are demanding Full Day Kindergarten in Fairfax County? In the story, titled, "Parents, teachers and administrators push for all-day kindergarten in Fairfax County", they interviewed the principal of Silverbrook Elementary, which just happens to be the school that Liz Bradsher's kids went to, it's her neighborhood school.
The article was written by Kali Schumitz, who lives down the street from Cassie Eatmon, a Bradsher cronie.
Just this week Bradsher showed up at the Springfield Democrats meeting, saying that closing Clifton Elementary would pay for all day kindergarten in Fairfax County. She is trying to spin that she is going to bring all day kindergarten if elected, and the pro-democratic Washington Post is helping her.
The article was written by Kali Schumitz, who lives down the street from Cassie Eatmon, a Bradsher cronie.
Just this week Bradsher showed up at the Springfield Democrats meeting, saying that closing Clifton Elementary would pay for all day kindergarten in Fairfax County. She is trying to spin that she is going to bring all day kindergarten if elected, and the pro-democratic Washington Post is helping her.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hahaha
()
Date: February 04, 2011 07:54AM
If you want a laugh, look at the video of the School Board Meeting from Feb. 3, and watch Bradsher lose it! They are discussing a motion to get rid of FLES, which Ms. Hone brought to the board. It is no secret that Bradsher HATES Hone, and she gets all defensive! Look at around mark 1:22:00 (the timer runs backward) on the video.
All of the other board members act professionally, but Bradsher just can't.
All of the other board members act professionally, but Bradsher just can't.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hahaha
()
Date: February 04, 2011 08:00AM
Correction to above: Bradsher's meltdown is around 1:24:00. Enjoy.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
good entertainment
()
Date: February 04, 2011 08:55AM
Wow - I've never watched a SB meeting before. That's entertaining. This Hone lady, from the meeting and looking at her profile, looks like she's made her career and SB role by being permanently aggrieved.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
who the heck is STAFF
()
Date: February 04, 2011 03:31PM
You read the e-mails or watch the SB meetings, and they are always referring to 'staff'. Don't these people have names or at least department titles? It would be nice to know who exactly develops the analyses that are being discussed - not just some amorphous STAFF with no name and no organization.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
HelloFairfaxSheep
()
Date: February 05, 2011 06:11PM
the Press is bought off. you just try to get their ear. Dale takes the Post to lunch. Peggy Fox is best friends with Liz Bradsher. Joann from Post is in bed with Stu. Kali lives down the street from Casie Eatmon. Got it?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Faierfaxolf
()
Date: February 05, 2011 06:21PM
Brassiere meltdown was pitiful. This woman is an elfin nutcase.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Lol.lol
()
Date: February 05, 2011 07:51PM
Funniest thread ever. Do you morons think this forum or the posts here will have any effect on the next election? Keep wasting your time complaining to each other here. If Liz is re-elected you rabble rousers will probably have heart attacks or aneurysms.
I'll be laughing my a$$ off.
I'll be laughing my a$$ off.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Joke's on You
()
Date: February 05, 2011 08:31PM
These threads are helpful at revealing how unprincipled Liz Bradsher is, and how unqualified she is for any public office. If she's re-elected, the joke's on you.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Joke's on Yoo
()
Date: February 05, 2011 08:37PM
The post whining that this is a waste of time is the funniest one ever. What a waste of time, complaining about this thread. When bitch Bradsher is tossed to the street, her supporters will probably be having heart attacks and aneuryms.
And I'll be laughing my a$$ off.
And I'll be laughing my a$$ off.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MythBreaker
()
Date: February 06, 2011 11:01AM
The vote wasn't to July 8th.
So how did Bradsher have the vote to close the school on July 2nd?
Doesn't that make all the talk before the vote on the 8th a show?
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So how did Bradsher have the vote to close the school on July 2nd?
Doesn't that make all the talk before the vote on the 8th a show?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Moon's offer
()
Date: February 06, 2011 11:49AM
What does Bob Larsen mean by "Moon's offer"? Who is Bob Larsen, that he seems to figure rather prominently in these "Close Clifton" pow wows?
It's "fundlemental" (Liz-speak) that Liz Bradsher is MENTAL-LY unhinged from reality. You can't behave in this manner and get away with it.
It's "fundlemental" (Liz-speak) that Liz Bradsher is MENTAL-LY unhinged from reality. You can't behave in this manner and get away with it.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Boundary Scam
()
Date: February 06, 2011 07:28PM
Boundary changes are set in play by these two?
Bradsher asks Larsen to troll for support against Clifton?
Now we have to change schools because Larsen helped Bradsher?
Why do our kids have to go to school in a supercrowded school with trailers because of some deal that Larsen help Bradsher do?
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Bradsher asks Larsen to troll for support against Clifton?
Now we have to change schools because Larsen helped Bradsher?
Why do our kids have to go to school in a supercrowded school with trailers because of some deal that Larsen help Bradsher do?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WOW'd!
()
Date: February 06, 2011 10:25PM
Whoever this is, hope he speaks at the Public Hearing tomorrow night!
Would pay good money - he could charge admission for a blistering speech like this email.
WOW - love that someone said it straight out!
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Would pay good money - he could charge admission for a blistering speech like this email.
WOW - love that someone said it straight out!
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
One
()
Date: February 06, 2011 10:59PM
+1
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: February 06, 2011 11:12PM
This is one of my favorites. I'd like to shake Mr. Poe's hand tomorrow night if he's at the hearing to speak. Thank you, Mr. Poe for telling it like it is.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bradsher's Plan B
()
Date: February 06, 2011 11:15PM
Think if the public named Plan B, might mean something different.
What starts with B? Think, think, think.
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What starts with B? Think, think, think.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WaPost article
()
Date: February 07, 2011 09:12AM
Oh, really...?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/06/AR2011020603710.html?wprss=rss_metro
It's disturbing that the school board now complains about FOIA (and gets the Washington Post to do a vacuous article about it!). Whining about their official school board email accounts being disclosed shows signs of some serious delusions.
Perhaps if these school board members like Bradsher had not been so deceitful and manipulative, there would not have been a need for so many FOIA requests. Did that even occur to these people?
Their behavior has been monumentally stupid. They are representatives, not monarchs.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/06/AR2011020603710.html?wprss=rss_metro
It's disturbing that the school board now complains about FOIA (and gets the Washington Post to do a vacuous article about it!). Whining about their official school board email accounts being disclosed shows signs of some serious delusions.
Perhaps if these school board members like Bradsher had not been so deceitful and manipulative, there would not have been a need for so many FOIA requests. Did that even occur to these people?
Their behavior has been monumentally stupid. They are representatives, not monarchs.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
HS Student
()
Date: February 07, 2011 11:01AM
IF THEY DID TEIR JOB RIGHT AND CARED ABOUT ALL STUDENTS THEY WOULD NOT HAVE SO MANY FOIA REQUESTS.
IF THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO DO THEIR JOBS, THEY SHOULD QUIT.
HOMEWORK IS A BURDEN TO ME, BUT I DO IT IN OR TO PASS.
FCPS SCHOOL BOARD IS FAILING BY NOT RESPONDING TO ALL FOIA REQUESTS.
IF THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO DO THEIR JOBS, THEY SHOULD QUIT.
HOMEWORK IS A BURDEN TO ME, BUT I DO IT IN OR TO PASS.
FCPS SCHOOL BOARD IS FAILING BY NOT RESPONDING TO ALL FOIA REQUESTS.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
for real?
()
Date: February 07, 2011 11:45AM
All these people getting into a huff, crying, calling each other names at the SB meeting? Is this for real? Please tell me we don't have this set of clowns running a $2.2B organization!
Obviously the Shaman retreat did not help!
Obviously the Shaman retreat did not help!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Honest Abe - NOT!
()
Date: February 07, 2011 11:56AM
WaPost article Wrote:
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> Oh, really...?
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
> le/2011/02/06/AR2011020603710.html?wprss=rss_metro
>
>
>
From the article ""The fact that any of my e-mails can be read by anyone in the country who makes a FOIA request - that frankly bothers me," said Daniel G. Storck, a board member who represents Mount Vernon. "
Are you f'n kidding me? A public official concerned that what he wrote, on a public e-mail system, about our schools and decisions effecting our kids, might become public? The arrogance of these people.
Dan if you're reading this, Abe Lincoln once said 'If once you forfeit the confidence of your fellow-citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem.'
-------------------------------------------------------
> Oh, really...?
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
> le/2011/02/06/AR2011020603710.html?wprss=rss_metro
>
>
>
From the article ""The fact that any of my e-mails can be read by anyone in the country who makes a FOIA request - that frankly bothers me," said Daniel G. Storck, a board member who represents Mount Vernon. "
Are you f'n kidding me? A public official concerned that what he wrote, on a public e-mail system, about our schools and decisions effecting our kids, might become public? The arrogance of these people.
Dan if you're reading this, Abe Lincoln once said 'If once you forfeit the confidence of your fellow-citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem.'
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
No Bump Liz
()
Date: February 07, 2011 12:29PM
If she learned long ago you do not bump projects on the CIP queue -
then WHY DID SHE BUMP South County MS up?
then WHY DID SHE BUMP WSHS up?
And, worst of all,
then WHY DID SHE BUMP CLIFTON OFF OF IT?
Liz Bradsher is an unbelievable arrogant hypocrite.
Unethical at best, criminal at worst.
> From: "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)"
> To: "'charliet@cox.net'"
> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:36:30 -0400
> Subject: RE: Three Things
>
> Charlie,
>
> Long ago I learned you do not bump projects on the CIP queue and there is
a queue for a reason. The queue protocol was not amended due to Woodson's
need for a renovation or the need to build South County Secondary. Your
school, Clifton ES, needs a renovation. Most of the Board members at this
time believe this to be the case. They saw the situation during the tour.
Clifton is a public school, not private and there are certain protocols
that are followed. These protocols provide a sense of structure and
fairness within the system. Clifton is no different from other areas in
our county with respect to following the same sense of protocol and
fairness.
>
> Is it fair to the Clifton students for them to go without while other
students have up to date amenities in their school? Is if fair to think
only about the "now" and not the future for area students? Is it right,
yes I said right, to have an emotional attachment to a building instead of
a realization about what is needed to educate the students in that
building? We have spent 9 months looking at this issue. You have spent
hundreds of hours personally; staff has given you and others their full
attention. I have attended every Community Ad Hoc presentation and been
available on a moment's notice to the communities in the Southwestern area
of this County. All the information has been afforded to the members of the
community. It is time a decision is made.
>
> I and others on the Board will make what we believe is the right decision
for the community and students. I was endorsed by the Republican Party when
I ran for office and supported by Clifton. I am fiscally conservative and
now because this issue seems to have "hit home" to those who supported me I
am to change who I am to oblige a community that all of a sudden doesn't
want such fiscal conservatism applied to them? That doesn't sit well with
me.
>
> With regard to your comment about Mr. Peterson, I think you know me
fairly well enough to know that I will not be bullied into a decision by
Mr. Peterson, Supervisor Herrity or any other elected individual no matter
how poorly they speak about me in public. I will look at the issue
pragmatically while understanding we have many needs in this county. I
think that is what is expected of me as the elected representative of the
Springfield District.
>
> I continue to appreciate your passion for this issue Charlie. You are a
tremendous person and great Dad. Clifton ES, like any other elementary
school in this county, is valued by those it serves.
>
> Sincerely,
> Liz Bradsher
then WHY DID SHE BUMP South County MS up?
then WHY DID SHE BUMP WSHS up?
And, worst of all,
then WHY DID SHE BUMP CLIFTON OFF OF IT?
Liz Bradsher is an unbelievable arrogant hypocrite.
Unethical at best, criminal at worst.
> From: "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)"
> To: "'charliet@cox.net'"
> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:36:30 -0400
> Subject: RE: Three Things
>
> Charlie,
>
> Long ago I learned you do not bump projects on the CIP queue and there is
a queue for a reason. The queue protocol was not amended due to Woodson's
need for a renovation or the need to build South County Secondary. Your
school, Clifton ES, needs a renovation. Most of the Board members at this
time believe this to be the case. They saw the situation during the tour.
Clifton is a public school, not private and there are certain protocols
that are followed. These protocols provide a sense of structure and
fairness within the system. Clifton is no different from other areas in
our county with respect to following the same sense of protocol and
fairness.
>
> Is it fair to the Clifton students for them to go without while other
students have up to date amenities in their school? Is if fair to think
only about the "now" and not the future for area students? Is it right,
yes I said right, to have an emotional attachment to a building instead of
a realization about what is needed to educate the students in that
building? We have spent 9 months looking at this issue. You have spent
hundreds of hours personally; staff has given you and others their full
attention. I have attended every Community Ad Hoc presentation and been
available on a moment's notice to the communities in the Southwestern area
of this County. All the information has been afforded to the members of the
community. It is time a decision is made.
>
> I and others on the Board will make what we believe is the right decision
for the community and students. I was endorsed by the Republican Party when
I ran for office and supported by Clifton. I am fiscally conservative and
now because this issue seems to have "hit home" to those who supported me I
am to change who I am to oblige a community that all of a sudden doesn't
want such fiscal conservatism applied to them? That doesn't sit well with
me.
>
> With regard to your comment about Mr. Peterson, I think you know me
fairly well enough to know that I will not be bullied into a decision by
Mr. Peterson, Supervisor Herrity or any other elected individual no matter
how poorly they speak about me in public. I will look at the issue
pragmatically while understanding we have many needs in this county. I
think that is what is expected of me as the elected representative of the
Springfield District.
>
> I continue to appreciate your passion for this issue Charlie. You are a
tremendous person and great Dad. Clifton ES, like any other elementary
school in this county, is valued by those it serves.
>
> Sincerely,
> Liz Bradsher
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LRRfolk
()
Date: February 07, 2011 01:04PM
Interesting the school board said in an article they are burdened by FOI submissions by the community.
Is it possible that they get concerned that information like this gets out to the people they told shouldn't have our big school made bigger?
Now we get to feel the brunt just like Clifton did - thanks Liz for making our big school bigger.
What happened to your "I do not believe this is an optimum resolution for Union Mill students and residents. Simply stated this would increase the enrollment and capacity at Union Mill and make a bigger school bigger. Furthermore, I do not believe Union Mill residents would want such changes to their neighborhood school. "
You are right - we didn't want it. So, what happened Liz? What happened?
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Is it possible that they get concerned that information like this gets out to the people they told shouldn't have our big school made bigger?
Now we get to feel the brunt just like Clifton did - thanks Liz for making our big school bigger.
What happened to your "I do not believe this is an optimum resolution for Union Mill students and residents. Simply stated this would increase the enrollment and capacity at Union Mill and make a bigger school bigger. Furthermore, I do not believe Union Mill residents would want such changes to their neighborhood school. "
You are right - we didn't want it. So, what happened Liz? What happened?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Yupper
()
Date: February 07, 2011 01:24PM
HS Student Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> IF THEY DID TEIR JOB RIGHT AND CARED ABOUT ALL
> STUDENTS THEY WOULD NOT HAVE SO MANY FOIA
> REQUESTS.
>Â
> IF THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO DO THEIR JOBS, THEY SHOULD
> QUIT.
>Â
> HOMEWORK IS A BURDEN TO ME, BUT I DO IT IN OR TO
> PASS.
>Â
> FCPS SCHOOL BOARD IS FAILING BY NOT RESPONDING TO
> ALL FOIA REQUESTS.
Please figure out where the caps lock key is.
Most likely one of Elizabeth Shultz's offspring. Idiots.
"SCHULTZ Â Â Â Â Â ","ELIZABETH Â ","L","038"," Â 6806","WANDERING Â Â Â Â Â ","LA","CLIFTON Â Â ","VA","07/11/2005","FAIL OBEY HWY SIGN Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â "
"SCHULTZ Â Â Â Â Â ","ELIZABETH Â ","L","038"," Â 6806","WANDERING Â Â Â Â Â ","LA","CLIFTON Â Â ","VA","11/17/2005","FAIL OBEY STOP/YLD-SGN Â Â Â Â Â Â "
And the hubby:
"SCHULTZ Â Â Â Â Â ","BRIAN Â Â Â ","R","041"," Â 6806","WANDERING Â Â Â Â Â ","LA","CLIFTON Â Â ","VA","01/20/2007","45-49MPH/30MPH ZONE Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â "
"SCHULTZ Â Â Â Â Â ","BRIAN Â Â Â ","R","041"," Â 6806","WANDERING Â Â Â Â Â ","LA","CLIFTON Â Â ","VA","10/07/2007","EXPIRED STATE REGISTRATION Â Â Â Â "
"SCHULTZ Â Â Â Â Â ","BRIAN Â Â Â ","R","042"," Â 6806","WANDERING Â Â Â Â Â ","LA","CLIFTON Â Â ","VA","09/13/2008","FAIL OBEY HWY SIGN Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â "
Give em a call if you disagree with the frivolous lawsuits and costly FOIA requests!
(703) 266-2299
Cheers!Â
-------------------------------------------------------
> IF THEY DID TEIR JOB RIGHT AND CARED ABOUT ALL
> STUDENTS THEY WOULD NOT HAVE SO MANY FOIA
> REQUESTS.
>Â
> IF THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO DO THEIR JOBS, THEY SHOULD
> QUIT.
>Â
> HOMEWORK IS A BURDEN TO ME, BUT I DO IT IN OR TO
> PASS.
>Â
> FCPS SCHOOL BOARD IS FAILING BY NOT RESPONDING TO
> ALL FOIA REQUESTS.
Please figure out where the caps lock key is.
Most likely one of Elizabeth Shultz's offspring. Idiots.
"SCHULTZ Â Â Â Â Â ","ELIZABETH Â ","L","038"," Â 6806","WANDERING Â Â Â Â Â ","LA","CLIFTON Â Â ","VA","07/11/2005","FAIL OBEY HWY SIGN Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â "
"SCHULTZ Â Â Â Â Â ","ELIZABETH Â ","L","038"," Â 6806","WANDERING Â Â Â Â Â ","LA","CLIFTON Â Â ","VA","11/17/2005","FAIL OBEY STOP/YLD-SGN Â Â Â Â Â Â "
And the hubby:
"SCHULTZ Â Â Â Â Â ","BRIAN Â Â Â ","R","041"," Â 6806","WANDERING Â Â Â Â Â ","LA","CLIFTON Â Â ","VA","01/20/2007","45-49MPH/30MPH ZONE Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â "
"SCHULTZ Â Â Â Â Â ","BRIAN Â Â Â ","R","041"," Â 6806","WANDERING Â Â Â Â Â ","LA","CLIFTON Â Â ","VA","10/07/2007","EXPIRED STATE REGISTRATION Â Â Â Â "
"SCHULTZ Â Â Â Â Â ","BRIAN Â Â Â ","R","042"," Â 6806","WANDERING Â Â Â Â Â ","LA","CLIFTON Â Â ","VA","09/13/2008","FAIL OBEY HWY SIGN Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â "
Give em a call if you disagree with the frivolous lawsuits and costly FOIA requests!
(703) 266-2299
Cheers!Â
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
ElizabethSchultz
()
Date: February 07, 2011 02:28PM
Thank you to those who alerted me to the above post.
Kindly note, Kevin Sieff, the Washington Post reporter for the below story, is correcting the article and apologized for the multiple errors – some were his errors, he said, and some are an editor’s.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/06/AR2011020603710_Comments.html
WPost:
ElizabethSchultz wrote:
Several important points of clarification regarding this article:
First of all – my husband and I have FOUR sons - no daughters.
Second – early last fall I sent a single (one) email inquiry to my School Board representative, Elizabeth Bradsher, to pursue transparency in attempting to account for Bond Referendum monies totaling $21.75M in taxpayer dollars. Ms. Bradsher refused to answer the inquiry. I have not sent a single formal FOIA request to FCPS, nevermind more than a dozen as attributed in this article.
Third – I am not a plaintiff in any lawsuit against the School Board or FCPS.
Fourth – the FOIA lawsuit has a single plaintiff, not many parents.
And, critically, the School Board members' emails in the conduct of the public's business with public monies ARE NOT PRIVATE.
Virginia statute sets forth that at all times the public is to be the beneficiary of any action taken at any level of government. If the School Board - or any public body - circumvents the law under existing Virginia Code, they should held accountable.
Any government body, including a school board, which endeavours to do the public's business with LESS transparency and LESS accountability, is not seeking to serve their stakeholders with integrity.
Such efforts to reduce government transparency and accountability should wave a red flag to the respective constituents of such government body.
Elizabeth L. Schultz
Springfield District resident
Fairfax County, VA
Kindly note, Kevin Sieff, the Washington Post reporter for the below story, is correcting the article and apologized for the multiple errors – some were his errors, he said, and some are an editor’s.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/06/AR2011020603710_Comments.html
WPost:
ElizabethSchultz wrote:
Several important points of clarification regarding this article:
First of all – my husband and I have FOUR sons - no daughters.
Second – early last fall I sent a single (one) email inquiry to my School Board representative, Elizabeth Bradsher, to pursue transparency in attempting to account for Bond Referendum monies totaling $21.75M in taxpayer dollars. Ms. Bradsher refused to answer the inquiry. I have not sent a single formal FOIA request to FCPS, nevermind more than a dozen as attributed in this article.
Third – I am not a plaintiff in any lawsuit against the School Board or FCPS.
Fourth – the FOIA lawsuit has a single plaintiff, not many parents.
And, critically, the School Board members' emails in the conduct of the public's business with public monies ARE NOT PRIVATE.
Virginia statute sets forth that at all times the public is to be the beneficiary of any action taken at any level of government. If the School Board - or any public body - circumvents the law under existing Virginia Code, they should held accountable.
Any government body, including a school board, which endeavours to do the public's business with LESS transparency and LESS accountability, is not seeking to serve their stakeholders with integrity.
Such efforts to reduce government transparency and accountability should wave a red flag to the respective constituents of such government body.
Elizabeth L. Schultz
Springfield District resident
Fairfax County, VA
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
post bias
()
Date: February 07, 2011 02:42PM
Interesting that the Post article did not in any way cover characterize the content of the FOIA'd e-mail. You'd think there'd be a paragraph that said here's what's in what's been released - maybe covering some of the SB/staff interactions or the ongoing alcohol abuse.
The Post seems to have a strong SB bias.
The Post seems to have a strong SB bias.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Pat
()
Date: February 07, 2011 03:20PM
From the Herrity report:
Fairfax County Public Schools is currently conducting a study of Elementary School boundaries to address current overcrowding in a handful of schools for the 2011-12 school year and the loss of 400 seats due to the closing of Clifton ES. The current recommendation of school staff directly impacts almost 1,500 kids in 21 schools - and their new classmates another 17,000+ kids who will now be in schools with inadequate facilities - overcrowded classrooms, gyms, music rooms, cafeterias and trailers. These boundary changes are projected to take place this year (September 2011) before any new classroom and facilities are built. Lost in the debate is that fact that much of the school overcrowding is not projected to occur until later. So why disrupt the education of so many southwestern students and families now?
There are a whole slew of unanswered questions related to this boundary study. In my opinion the biggest is - Why the rush? Why rush kids and teachers into school trailers and inadequate facilities that don't meet the county's basic educational specifications?
The public hearings for the boundary study are today, February 7, 2011 at Luther Jackson Middle School beginning at 6:00PM and concluding when all speakers have been heard. If you live in the southwestern section of the County please consider attending the meeting TONIGHT. Let the school board know that you want answers. Ask why they are rushing a process that doesn't need to be rushed and that will force our kids and teachers into facilities that are not yet ready. Ask why they are not giving serious consideration to the option that would let students and teachers stay in proven facilities for the time being while new facilities are being constructed.
Over half of the PTA's from the impacted schools have already passed a "No Faith" resolution expressing a lack of confidence in the process, projections, building capacity data, and the rushed timetable pushed by school staff. The PTAs and their members recognize this is the largest boundary study in FCPS history. The PTAs' resolution asks the school board to halt the boundary study until school staff answers the following basic questions:
· Why move students into schools without existing capacity before permanent capacity, in the form of newly proposed building additions, is complete? Trailers and modulars are not permanent solutions.
· What are the basic transportation plans including cost and ride times?
· What is the traffic impact on the local communities? Is there sufficient parking, kiss and ride, and bus drop off space?
· Has staff considered construction of a new elementary school at or near the epicenter of overcrowding - Would this be a cheaper option and less disruptive option than spending, at minimum, $15.1M of your taxpayer dollars on expansions? Some 'big schools' will, as a result of the proposed expansions, become even bigger schools - is this the best option for our kids and teachers?
· What is the plan for SACC placement when children with a SACC assignment at their current school are moved to another school?
· How will FCPS address concerns of impacted families who may be moved from a school with current full day kindergarten to a new school that has half-day kindergarten?
· Is this an opportunity to build space for full day kindergarten?
I encourage you to go to the FCPS school boundary site to see if you can find the answers to these questions - http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/index.htm
It is clear to me that the Southwestern Boundary Study and the decision to close Clifton should have been considered together, and if they had been considered together, the school board wouldn't have closed Clifton ES. School staff says the two issues are not linked. But the absurdity of closing Clifton ES - our number two best performing elementary school with a capacity of 400 that did not need to be renovated - only to move students to other sites with inadequate facilities - raises serious questions that need to be answered. The school board's rush to close Clifton by June 2011 and accomplish demographic shuffling in the boundary study before a new school board is elected in November is a major disservice to potentially thousands of the kids, families and teachers in southwestern Fairfax County.
The fact is there is no need to rush this process. The School Board should wait until it addresses the issues identified by the concerned PTA's and the families they represent. And new facilities should be created before they move our kids into a worse situation with inadequate facilities. Unfortunately, that was not one that was presented to parents by school staff for consideration.
Southwestern Boundary Study Schools Impacted:
Bonnie Brae, Colin Powell, Greenbriar East, Providence, Brookfield, Cub Run, Greenbriar West, Bull Run, Deer Park, Union Mill, Centre Ridge, Eagle View, London Towne, Virginia Run, Centreville, Fairfax Villa, Oak View, Willow Springs, Clifton, Fairview, Poplar Tree
Clifton ES Closure:
Clifton Elementary was approved for closure by the School Board in July. Board members cited the following reasons for closing the school:
high renovation costs (disputed claim but undisputed was the communities request not to renovate the #2 best performing elementary school in Fairfax County and leave it open),
decreases in enrollment projects (enrollment actually increased) and
water safety concerns (water quality proved to be fine - FCPS has stopped using bottled water at the school)
Fairfax County Public Schools is currently conducting a study of Elementary School boundaries to address current overcrowding in a handful of schools for the 2011-12 school year and the loss of 400 seats due to the closing of Clifton ES. The current recommendation of school staff directly impacts almost 1,500 kids in 21 schools - and their new classmates another 17,000+ kids who will now be in schools with inadequate facilities - overcrowded classrooms, gyms, music rooms, cafeterias and trailers. These boundary changes are projected to take place this year (September 2011) before any new classroom and facilities are built. Lost in the debate is that fact that much of the school overcrowding is not projected to occur until later. So why disrupt the education of so many southwestern students and families now?
There are a whole slew of unanswered questions related to this boundary study. In my opinion the biggest is - Why the rush? Why rush kids and teachers into school trailers and inadequate facilities that don't meet the county's basic educational specifications?
The public hearings for the boundary study are today, February 7, 2011 at Luther Jackson Middle School beginning at 6:00PM and concluding when all speakers have been heard. If you live in the southwestern section of the County please consider attending the meeting TONIGHT. Let the school board know that you want answers. Ask why they are rushing a process that doesn't need to be rushed and that will force our kids and teachers into facilities that are not yet ready. Ask why they are not giving serious consideration to the option that would let students and teachers stay in proven facilities for the time being while new facilities are being constructed.
Over half of the PTA's from the impacted schools have already passed a "No Faith" resolution expressing a lack of confidence in the process, projections, building capacity data, and the rushed timetable pushed by school staff. The PTAs and their members recognize this is the largest boundary study in FCPS history. The PTAs' resolution asks the school board to halt the boundary study until school staff answers the following basic questions:
· Why move students into schools without existing capacity before permanent capacity, in the form of newly proposed building additions, is complete? Trailers and modulars are not permanent solutions.
· What are the basic transportation plans including cost and ride times?
· What is the traffic impact on the local communities? Is there sufficient parking, kiss and ride, and bus drop off space?
· Has staff considered construction of a new elementary school at or near the epicenter of overcrowding - Would this be a cheaper option and less disruptive option than spending, at minimum, $15.1M of your taxpayer dollars on expansions? Some 'big schools' will, as a result of the proposed expansions, become even bigger schools - is this the best option for our kids and teachers?
· What is the plan for SACC placement when children with a SACC assignment at their current school are moved to another school?
· How will FCPS address concerns of impacted families who may be moved from a school with current full day kindergarten to a new school that has half-day kindergarten?
· Is this an opportunity to build space for full day kindergarten?
I encourage you to go to the FCPS school boundary site to see if you can find the answers to these questions - http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/index.htm
It is clear to me that the Southwestern Boundary Study and the decision to close Clifton should have been considered together, and if they had been considered together, the school board wouldn't have closed Clifton ES. School staff says the two issues are not linked. But the absurdity of closing Clifton ES - our number two best performing elementary school with a capacity of 400 that did not need to be renovated - only to move students to other sites with inadequate facilities - raises serious questions that need to be answered. The school board's rush to close Clifton by June 2011 and accomplish demographic shuffling in the boundary study before a new school board is elected in November is a major disservice to potentially thousands of the kids, families and teachers in southwestern Fairfax County.
The fact is there is no need to rush this process. The School Board should wait until it addresses the issues identified by the concerned PTA's and the families they represent. And new facilities should be created before they move our kids into a worse situation with inadequate facilities. Unfortunately, that was not one that was presented to parents by school staff for consideration.
Southwestern Boundary Study Schools Impacted:
Bonnie Brae, Colin Powell, Greenbriar East, Providence, Brookfield, Cub Run, Greenbriar West, Bull Run, Deer Park, Union Mill, Centre Ridge, Eagle View, London Towne, Virginia Run, Centreville, Fairfax Villa, Oak View, Willow Springs, Clifton, Fairview, Poplar Tree
Clifton ES Closure:
Clifton Elementary was approved for closure by the School Board in July. Board members cited the following reasons for closing the school:
high renovation costs (disputed claim but undisputed was the communities request not to renovate the #2 best performing elementary school in Fairfax County and leave it open),
decreases in enrollment projects (enrollment actually increased) and
water safety concerns (water quality proved to be fine - FCPS has stopped using bottled water at the school)
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Date: February 07, 2011 03:22PM
The Herrity Report
http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Southwestern-Boundary-Study---Why-the-Rush-to-Put-Our-Kids-In-Trailers-.html?soid=1102318968708&aid=yY_3HILyCyc
Why the Rush to Put Our Kids In Trailers?
Fairfax County Public Schools is currently conducting a study of Elementary School boundaries to address current overcrowding in a handful of schools for the 2011-12 school year and the loss of 400 seats due to the closing of Clifton ES.
The current recommendation of school staff directly impacts almost 1,500 kids in 21 schools - and their new classmates another 17,000+ kids who will now be in schools with inadequate facilities - overcrowded classrooms, gyms, music rooms, cafeterias and trailers. These boundary changes are projected to take place this year (September 2011) before any new classroom and facilities are built.
Lost in the debate is that fact that much of the school overcrowding is not projected to occur until later. So why disrupt the education of so many southwestern students and families now?
There are a whole slew of unanswered questions related to this boundary study.
In my opinion the biggest is - Why the rush? Why rush kids and teachers into school trailers and inadequate facilities that don't meet the county's basic educational specifications?
The public hearings for the boundary study are today, February 7, 2011 at Luther Jackson Middle School beginning at 6:00PM and concluding when all speakers have been heard. If you live in the southwestern section of the County please consider attending the meeting TONIGHT. Let the school board know that you want answers.
Ask why they are rushing a process that doesn't need to be rushed and that will force our kids and teachers into facilities that are not yet ready. Ask why they are not giving serious consideration to the option that would let students and teachers stay in proven facilities for the time being while new facilities are being constructed.
Over half of the PTA's from the impacted schools have already passed a "No Faith" resolution expressing a lack of confidence in the process, projections, building capacity data, and the rushed timetable pushed by school staff. The PTAs and their members recognize this is the largest boundary study in FCPS history. The PTAs' resolution asks the school board to halt the boundary study until school staff answers the following basic questions:
• Why move students into schools without existing capacity before permanent capacity, in the form of newly proposed building additions, is complete? Trailers and modulars are not permanent solutions.
• What are the basic transportation plans including cost and ride times?
• What is the traffic impact on the local communities? Is there sufficient parking, kiss and ride, and bus drop off space?
• Has staff considered construction of a new elementary school at or near the epicenter of overcrowding - Would this be a cheaper option and less disruptive option than spending, at minimum, $15.1M of your taxpayer dollars on expansions? Some 'big schools' will, as a result of the proposed expansions, become even bigger schools - is this the best option for our kids and teachers?
• What is the plan for SACC placement when children with a SACC assignment at their current school are moved to another school?
• How will FCPS address concerns of impacted families who may be moved from a school with current full day kindergarten to a new school that has half-day kindergarten?
• Is this an opportunity to build space for full day kindergarten?
I encourage you to go to the FCPS school boundary site to see if you can find the answers to these questions - http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/index.htm
It is clear to me that the Southwestern Boundary Study and the decision to close Clifton should have been considered together, and if they had been considered together, the school board wouldn't have closed Clifton ES. School staff says the two issues are not linked. But the absurdity of closing Clifton ES - our number two best performing elementary school with a capacity of 400 that did not need to be renovated - only to move students to other sites with inadequate facilities - raises serious questions that need to be answered.
The school board's rush to close Clifton by June 2011 and accomplish demographic shuffling in the boundary study before a new school board is elected in November is a major disservice to potentially thousands of the kids, families and teachers in southwestern Fairfax County.
The fact is there is no need to rush this process. The School Board should wait until it addresses the issues identified by the concerned PTA's and the families they represent. And new facilities should be created before they move our kids into a worse situation with inadequate facilities. Unfortunately, that was not one that was presented to parents by school staff for consideration.
Southwestern Boundary Study Schools Impacted:
Bonnie Brae, Colin Powell, Greenbriar East, Providence, Brookfield, Cub Run, Greenbriar West, Bull Run, Deer Park, Union Mill, Centre Ridge, Eagle View, London Towne, Virginia Run, Centreville, Fairfax Villa, Oak View, Willow Springs, Clifton, Fairview, Poplar Tree
Clifton ES Closure:
Clifton Elementary was approved for closure by the School Board in July. Board members cited the following reasons for closing the school:
• high renovation costs (disputed claim but undisputed was the communities request not to renovate the #2 best performing elementary school in Fairfax County and leave it open),
• decreases in enrollment projects (enrollment actually increased) and
• water safety concerns (water quality proved to be fine - FCPS has stopped using bottled water at the school)
Web: www.fairfaxcounty.gov/springfield
Email: springfield@fairfaxcounty.gov
Phone: 703-451-8873
http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Southwestern-Boundary-Study---Why-the-Rush-to-Put-Our-Kids-In-Trailers-.html?soid=1102318968708&aid=yY_3HILyCyc
Why the Rush to Put Our Kids In Trailers?
Fairfax County Public Schools is currently conducting a study of Elementary School boundaries to address current overcrowding in a handful of schools for the 2011-12 school year and the loss of 400 seats due to the closing of Clifton ES.
The current recommendation of school staff directly impacts almost 1,500 kids in 21 schools - and their new classmates another 17,000+ kids who will now be in schools with inadequate facilities - overcrowded classrooms, gyms, music rooms, cafeterias and trailers. These boundary changes are projected to take place this year (September 2011) before any new classroom and facilities are built.
Lost in the debate is that fact that much of the school overcrowding is not projected to occur until later. So why disrupt the education of so many southwestern students and families now?
There are a whole slew of unanswered questions related to this boundary study.
In my opinion the biggest is - Why the rush? Why rush kids and teachers into school trailers and inadequate facilities that don't meet the county's basic educational specifications?
The public hearings for the boundary study are today, February 7, 2011 at Luther Jackson Middle School beginning at 6:00PM and concluding when all speakers have been heard. If you live in the southwestern section of the County please consider attending the meeting TONIGHT. Let the school board know that you want answers.
Ask why they are rushing a process that doesn't need to be rushed and that will force our kids and teachers into facilities that are not yet ready. Ask why they are not giving serious consideration to the option that would let students and teachers stay in proven facilities for the time being while new facilities are being constructed.
Over half of the PTA's from the impacted schools have already passed a "No Faith" resolution expressing a lack of confidence in the process, projections, building capacity data, and the rushed timetable pushed by school staff. The PTAs and their members recognize this is the largest boundary study in FCPS history. The PTAs' resolution asks the school board to halt the boundary study until school staff answers the following basic questions:
• Why move students into schools without existing capacity before permanent capacity, in the form of newly proposed building additions, is complete? Trailers and modulars are not permanent solutions.
• What are the basic transportation plans including cost and ride times?
• What is the traffic impact on the local communities? Is there sufficient parking, kiss and ride, and bus drop off space?
• Has staff considered construction of a new elementary school at or near the epicenter of overcrowding - Would this be a cheaper option and less disruptive option than spending, at minimum, $15.1M of your taxpayer dollars on expansions? Some 'big schools' will, as a result of the proposed expansions, become even bigger schools - is this the best option for our kids and teachers?
• What is the plan for SACC placement when children with a SACC assignment at their current school are moved to another school?
• How will FCPS address concerns of impacted families who may be moved from a school with current full day kindergarten to a new school that has half-day kindergarten?
• Is this an opportunity to build space for full day kindergarten?
I encourage you to go to the FCPS school boundary site to see if you can find the answers to these questions - http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/index.htm
It is clear to me that the Southwestern Boundary Study and the decision to close Clifton should have been considered together, and if they had been considered together, the school board wouldn't have closed Clifton ES. School staff says the two issues are not linked. But the absurdity of closing Clifton ES - our number two best performing elementary school with a capacity of 400 that did not need to be renovated - only to move students to other sites with inadequate facilities - raises serious questions that need to be answered.
The school board's rush to close Clifton by June 2011 and accomplish demographic shuffling in the boundary study before a new school board is elected in November is a major disservice to potentially thousands of the kids, families and teachers in southwestern Fairfax County.
The fact is there is no need to rush this process. The School Board should wait until it addresses the issues identified by the concerned PTA's and the families they represent. And new facilities should be created before they move our kids into a worse situation with inadequate facilities. Unfortunately, that was not one that was presented to parents by school staff for consideration.
Southwestern Boundary Study Schools Impacted:
Bonnie Brae, Colin Powell, Greenbriar East, Providence, Brookfield, Cub Run, Greenbriar West, Bull Run, Deer Park, Union Mill, Centre Ridge, Eagle View, London Towne, Virginia Run, Centreville, Fairfax Villa, Oak View, Willow Springs, Clifton, Fairview, Poplar Tree
Clifton ES Closure:
Clifton Elementary was approved for closure by the School Board in July. Board members cited the following reasons for closing the school:
• high renovation costs (disputed claim but undisputed was the communities request not to renovate the #2 best performing elementary school in Fairfax County and leave it open),
• decreases in enrollment projects (enrollment actually increased) and
• water safety concerns (water quality proved to be fine - FCPS has stopped using bottled water at the school)
Web: www.fairfaxcounty.gov/springfield
Email: springfield@fairfaxcounty.gov
Phone: 703-451-8873
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Date: February 07, 2011 03:40PM
seems posters do a better job of reporting the facts than the washington (com)post
if one is to believe the correction was really posted by the same Schultz, it is hilarious that the reporter said that she has a daughter and didn't even get that right.
what is the point of this story if the basic facts are wrong and nothing about what was IN the foia responses is included?
seems another FCPS department of whining (communication) using the (com)post as a mouthpiece.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/06/AR2011020603710_Comments.html
if one is to believe the correction was really posted by the same Schultz, it is hilarious that the reporter said that she has a daughter and didn't even get that right.
what is the point of this story if the basic facts are wrong and nothing about what was IN the foia responses is included?
seems another FCPS department of whining (communication) using the (com)post as a mouthpiece.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/06/AR2011020603710_Comments.html
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Date: February 07, 2011 03:44PM
CommentsMIMIMI wrote:
I'm really disappointed with the Post's coverage of FCPS generally, and this article was no exception. For the most part, the Post simply parrots the "party line" from FCPS, with little independent analysis or effort to understand competing viewpoints. Here, you present as fact FCPS's assertion that responding to FOIA requests is an unnecessary burden (as if the Post's own journalists haven't filed many a FOIA request, at least back in the era when the paper actually cared about investigative journalism), while not taking the effort to analyze the contents of the troubling e-mails that were exchanged between Liz Bradsher and her friends while Ms. Bradsher was using her FCPS e-mail address.
2/7/2011 3:07:57 PM
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unhappyvoter wrote:
Not let me see...who might the poster wombat2 be? Could it be someone from FCPS dept of communication as it follows the blog? Or could it be one of Bradsher's pen pals from SOAR or the Ad Hoc study group that was to be fair and transparent? Or I guess it could be Bradsher herself as she can now criticize Republican Cuccinelli because she has declared she is no longer a Republican.
Let me add a Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
2/7/2011 2:57:33 PM
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FairfaxStation2489 wrote:
The purpose of FOIA is to legitimately offer transparency to the affairs of government.
The effort to lessen the burden is curious – is it really cost? Requesters PAY for the information. And FCPS maximizes every opportunity to charge those who make the requests – in addition, they drag their feet, don’t fully respond, respond late, respond with the wrong information, or – frequently – don’t respond at all. Worse – REFUSE to respond.
And they want to be LESS transparent?
They spend our money in Richmond to lobby the VA General Assembly to be able to spend our money in the conduct of business for our benefit and do it with LESS transparency and accountability. It is an OUTRAGE. FCPS School Board is up for election in 2011--we need 12 strong members who will represent the citizens who elect them and who will stand up to the central administration. Enough is enough.
2/7/2011 2:36:44 PM
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ffxvoter wrote:
The requestor of the information PAYS FCPS for the FOIA’d documents. It is egregious that this is being portrayed as a financial burden on FCPS! If this is taxing on FCPS staff than perhaps FCPS Administration needs to streamline the procedure/process which they are using to gather the information instead of trying to use it as an excuse to try and skirt transparency. At a time when other agencies (Ex. White House Open Government Initiative) are seeking to become MORE transparent, it is arrogant of FCPS to try and go in the opposite direction.
Further, the POST has now injured its own credibility by (1) not doing full research on a story (2), not checking its facts to make sure they are accurate and (3) appearing to merely be an extension of FCPS PR Department. Shame on you!
2/7/2011 1:52:34 PM
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Infinimac wrote:
wombat2 must be a shill for LB. Are you the "witch-hunt" accuser? I know of many of the FOIAs requested, and not one of them was without prior basis for need. More to the point, Cuccinelli was abusing his power as attorney general in using his version of the law and his arsenal to go on his unsubstantiated quest. This is a case of the PEOPLE -- the voters, the populace, the citizens, the very humans our elected officials supposedly work for and represent -- going for duly-deserved public information. ... Sorry, shill, you hold no sway with those of us here planted on the side of transparency and accountability in our government.
2/7/2011 1:27:06 PM
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wombat2 wrote:
Hmmmm. Isn't this taking a page from Ken Cuccinelli's political tactics with UVA-- Force disclosure of lots of information in order to see if any of it is germaine? Or, perhaps, to clog the system, and then when the information is not forthcoming, to charge the system with negligence and purposeful withholding? The system needs to be responsible for being 'transparent' and 'responsible', and so do the constituents. The discussion of emails seems to me a red herring, an attempt to divert attention from the main point that a school that parents want to stay open, is scheduled for closure.
2/7/2011 12:35:52 PM
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macfiveva wrote:
This HEART of this story is that Fairfax County taxpayers deserve a school system that operates with full transparency and accountability. The recently published FOIA'd emails (related to the premature closure of Clifon Elementary) demonstrate that the public is justified in its concerns.
Ideally, FOIAs requests will help determine if our public officials are operating with full transparency. Public officials should welcome this full accountability; not prevent it.
It's troubling to think FCPS legislative lobbyists want to place restrictions on FOIA requests.
It's also troubling that FCPS won't reveal the ACTUAL budgetary costs associated with this recent spike of FOIA requests.
School Board Member Liz Bradsher said "It's crippling the system" So, why hide this figure? It's another example of poor transparency.
2/7/2011 11:48:30 AM
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Infinimac wrote:
Dear Washington Post Reporter Who Should Have Standards: Who, EXACTLY, is accusing parents of an "indiscriminate witch hunt?" Someone with the word "Hunt" in her name, maybe? Or a board member? This is an OUTRAGEOUS accusation, coming from a school board with zero accountability or a school system administrator with even less!!
Janet Otersen got it right, and I can attest to it: This school administration does not deserve to be trusted. I have seen manipulation of data, spinning of facts, and outright lies from FCPS Gatehouse individuals. Does the public know that almost all the "awards" this system gets come from self-nominations (conducted at taxpayer expense)? Go figure.
That they're spending our money and our trust marching to Richmond claiming victimhood because poor them, they have to abide by the sunshine laws in place for decades to protect the public, just like every other government entity does, is truly illuminating. If I were a taxpayer, I'd be asking, "What are they trying to hide?"
Pay attention, voters! This school system spends 53% of your budget to the tune of $2.2B, more than we give to Egypt in aid every year! There are some amazing reform candidates running for school board who stand for transparency, honesty, and accountability, and who WELCOME public engagement. Find out who they are and vote them in!
2/7/2011 11:41:41 AM
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ElizabethSchultz wrote:
Several important points of clarification regarding this article:
First of all – my husband and I have FOUR sons - no daughters.
Second – early last fall I sent a single (one) email inquiry to my School Board representative, Elizabeth Bradsher, to pursue transparency in attempting to account Bond Referendum monies totaling $21.75M in taxpayer dollars. Ms. Bradsher refused to answer the inquiry. I have not sent a single formal FOIA request to FCPS, nevermind more than a dozen as attributed in this article.
Third – I am not a plaintiff in any lawsuit against the School Board or FCPS.
Fourth – the FOIA lawsuit has a single plaintiff, NOT many parents.
And, critically, the School Board members emails in the conduct of the public's business with public monies ARE NOT PRIVATE. Virginia statute sets forth that at all times the public is to be the beneficiary of any action taken at any level of government. If the School Board - or any public body - circumvents the law under existing Virginia Code, they should held accountable.
Any government body, including a school board, which endeavours to do the public's business with LESS transparency and LESS accountability, is not seeking to serve their stakeholders with integrity.
Such efforts to reduce government transparency and accountability should wave a red flag to the respective constituents of such government body.
Elizabeth L. Schultz
Springfield District resident
Fairfax County, VA
2/7/2011 10:54:05 AM
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frustratedFCPSParent wrote:
THe school system CHARGES parents for most of these requests - somehow the reporter failed to report this. Is the Post the mouthpiece of FCPS? I'm afraid so
2/7/2011 9:40:51 AM
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unhappyvoter wrote:
In the article Bradsher claims the FOIA law is unrealistic right now. What is really unrealistic is after reading the FOIA responses was that Bradsher was working against the Clifton community. She partnered with some individuals and a group called SOAR to devise ways to snatch Clifton ES out of the renovation queue to make way for West Springfield HS. FOIA responses revealed that her actions were more about a political power struggle and "I can do it because I can.." attitude. Just read the FOIA responses found at fairfaxunderground.com if you want to see her full scale operation. It is shameful when an elected official claims to have integrity and promotes transparency, but engages in under the cover and backroom deals. Thanks to FOIA some sunshine was spread on Bradsher's dealings.
2/7/2011 9:39:47 AM
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DCDCSW wrote:
If the members of the school board are afraid, ashamed or embarrassed by what is stated in their tax payer funded (positions)email then they should resign from office. Case closed. If you don't do 'wrong' in the dark then you don't have to worry about when those actions come to light.
2/7/2011 8:55:02 AM
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Nosh1 wrote:
I am not sure what the problem is. Charge every requester the set rate and move on.
If it costs 31 bucks an hour, then charge that to cover the costs. End of story.
2/7/2011 8:51:18 AM
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thisnewocean wrote:
mmkm states it perfectly.
Some FCPS school board representatives seem to forget the fact that their FCPS email accounts are to be used to conduct official school business--not political plotting, whining, or disparaging parents in the community.
Post staff: Has anyone at the Post read the emails that were made available?
2/7/2011 7:09:40 AM
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mmkm wrote:
Isn't the real story about what was in those FOIA emails? The reader of this article might understand why there are so many requests if the reporter had revealed a little more about the emails.
FOIA was set up to protect citizens from abuse by government officials. And, abuse is exactly what is revealed in the emails relating to Clifton. This is exactly why we need FOIA.
2/7/2011 6:45:32 AM
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ProudVoter wrote:
There obviously is a big trust issue between the current Fairfax County School Board & administration, and the parents. The School Board and FCPS management seems to forget that the parents and all County taxpayers have an expectation of high integrity and transparent decision making by their School Board. Instead there have been repeated instances of decisions being made before public hearings even begin, decisions being made that go against the objective facts and data, decisions being made that go against the desires of the parents and taxpayers (the customers), and ugly back room dealing. An enlightened School Board would want to know what has caused this and be asking themselves what they can do to be even more transparent and responsive to the public to try and regain trust.
Voters will have the opportunity to vote in many new School Board members in November. They should exercise their right to do so.
2/7/2011 12:52:44 AM
I'm really disappointed with the Post's coverage of FCPS generally, and this article was no exception. For the most part, the Post simply parrots the "party line" from FCPS, with little independent analysis or effort to understand competing viewpoints. Here, you present as fact FCPS's assertion that responding to FOIA requests is an unnecessary burden (as if the Post's own journalists haven't filed many a FOIA request, at least back in the era when the paper actually cared about investigative journalism), while not taking the effort to analyze the contents of the troubling e-mails that were exchanged between Liz Bradsher and her friends while Ms. Bradsher was using her FCPS e-mail address.
2/7/2011 3:07:57 PM
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unhappyvoter wrote:
Not let me see...who might the poster wombat2 be? Could it be someone from FCPS dept of communication as it follows the blog? Or could it be one of Bradsher's pen pals from SOAR or the Ad Hoc study group that was to be fair and transparent? Or I guess it could be Bradsher herself as she can now criticize Republican Cuccinelli because she has declared she is no longer a Republican.
Let me add a Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
2/7/2011 2:57:33 PM
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FairfaxStation2489 wrote:
The purpose of FOIA is to legitimately offer transparency to the affairs of government.
The effort to lessen the burden is curious – is it really cost? Requesters PAY for the information. And FCPS maximizes every opportunity to charge those who make the requests – in addition, they drag their feet, don’t fully respond, respond late, respond with the wrong information, or – frequently – don’t respond at all. Worse – REFUSE to respond.
And they want to be LESS transparent?
They spend our money in Richmond to lobby the VA General Assembly to be able to spend our money in the conduct of business for our benefit and do it with LESS transparency and accountability. It is an OUTRAGE. FCPS School Board is up for election in 2011--we need 12 strong members who will represent the citizens who elect them and who will stand up to the central administration. Enough is enough.
2/7/2011 2:36:44 PM
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ffxvoter wrote:
The requestor of the information PAYS FCPS for the FOIA’d documents. It is egregious that this is being portrayed as a financial burden on FCPS! If this is taxing on FCPS staff than perhaps FCPS Administration needs to streamline the procedure/process which they are using to gather the information instead of trying to use it as an excuse to try and skirt transparency. At a time when other agencies (Ex. White House Open Government Initiative) are seeking to become MORE transparent, it is arrogant of FCPS to try and go in the opposite direction.
Further, the POST has now injured its own credibility by (1) not doing full research on a story (2), not checking its facts to make sure they are accurate and (3) appearing to merely be an extension of FCPS PR Department. Shame on you!
2/7/2011 1:52:34 PM
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Infinimac wrote:
wombat2 must be a shill for LB. Are you the "witch-hunt" accuser? I know of many of the FOIAs requested, and not one of them was without prior basis for need. More to the point, Cuccinelli was abusing his power as attorney general in using his version of the law and his arsenal to go on his unsubstantiated quest. This is a case of the PEOPLE -- the voters, the populace, the citizens, the very humans our elected officials supposedly work for and represent -- going for duly-deserved public information. ... Sorry, shill, you hold no sway with those of us here planted on the side of transparency and accountability in our government.
2/7/2011 1:27:06 PM
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wombat2 wrote:
Hmmmm. Isn't this taking a page from Ken Cuccinelli's political tactics with UVA-- Force disclosure of lots of information in order to see if any of it is germaine? Or, perhaps, to clog the system, and then when the information is not forthcoming, to charge the system with negligence and purposeful withholding? The system needs to be responsible for being 'transparent' and 'responsible', and so do the constituents. The discussion of emails seems to me a red herring, an attempt to divert attention from the main point that a school that parents want to stay open, is scheduled for closure.
2/7/2011 12:35:52 PM
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macfiveva wrote:
This HEART of this story is that Fairfax County taxpayers deserve a school system that operates with full transparency and accountability. The recently published FOIA'd emails (related to the premature closure of Clifon Elementary) demonstrate that the public is justified in its concerns.
Ideally, FOIAs requests will help determine if our public officials are operating with full transparency. Public officials should welcome this full accountability; not prevent it.
It's troubling to think FCPS legislative lobbyists want to place restrictions on FOIA requests.
It's also troubling that FCPS won't reveal the ACTUAL budgetary costs associated with this recent spike of FOIA requests.
School Board Member Liz Bradsher said "It's crippling the system" So, why hide this figure? It's another example of poor transparency.
2/7/2011 11:48:30 AM
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Infinimac wrote:
Dear Washington Post Reporter Who Should Have Standards: Who, EXACTLY, is accusing parents of an "indiscriminate witch hunt?" Someone with the word "Hunt" in her name, maybe? Or a board member? This is an OUTRAGEOUS accusation, coming from a school board with zero accountability or a school system administrator with even less!!
Janet Otersen got it right, and I can attest to it: This school administration does not deserve to be trusted. I have seen manipulation of data, spinning of facts, and outright lies from FCPS Gatehouse individuals. Does the public know that almost all the "awards" this system gets come from self-nominations (conducted at taxpayer expense)? Go figure.
That they're spending our money and our trust marching to Richmond claiming victimhood because poor them, they have to abide by the sunshine laws in place for decades to protect the public, just like every other government entity does, is truly illuminating. If I were a taxpayer, I'd be asking, "What are they trying to hide?"
Pay attention, voters! This school system spends 53% of your budget to the tune of $2.2B, more than we give to Egypt in aid every year! There are some amazing reform candidates running for school board who stand for transparency, honesty, and accountability, and who WELCOME public engagement. Find out who they are and vote them in!
2/7/2011 11:41:41 AM
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ElizabethSchultz wrote:
Several important points of clarification regarding this article:
First of all – my husband and I have FOUR sons - no daughters.
Second – early last fall I sent a single (one) email inquiry to my School Board representative, Elizabeth Bradsher, to pursue transparency in attempting to account Bond Referendum monies totaling $21.75M in taxpayer dollars. Ms. Bradsher refused to answer the inquiry. I have not sent a single formal FOIA request to FCPS, nevermind more than a dozen as attributed in this article.
Third – I am not a plaintiff in any lawsuit against the School Board or FCPS.
Fourth – the FOIA lawsuit has a single plaintiff, NOT many parents.
And, critically, the School Board members emails in the conduct of the public's business with public monies ARE NOT PRIVATE. Virginia statute sets forth that at all times the public is to be the beneficiary of any action taken at any level of government. If the School Board - or any public body - circumvents the law under existing Virginia Code, they should held accountable.
Any government body, including a school board, which endeavours to do the public's business with LESS transparency and LESS accountability, is not seeking to serve their stakeholders with integrity.
Such efforts to reduce government transparency and accountability should wave a red flag to the respective constituents of such government body.
Elizabeth L. Schultz
Springfield District resident
Fairfax County, VA
2/7/2011 10:54:05 AM
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frustratedFCPSParent wrote:
THe school system CHARGES parents for most of these requests - somehow the reporter failed to report this. Is the Post the mouthpiece of FCPS? I'm afraid so
2/7/2011 9:40:51 AM
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unhappyvoter wrote:
In the article Bradsher claims the FOIA law is unrealistic right now. What is really unrealistic is after reading the FOIA responses was that Bradsher was working against the Clifton community. She partnered with some individuals and a group called SOAR to devise ways to snatch Clifton ES out of the renovation queue to make way for West Springfield HS. FOIA responses revealed that her actions were more about a political power struggle and "I can do it because I can.." attitude. Just read the FOIA responses found at fairfaxunderground.com if you want to see her full scale operation. It is shameful when an elected official claims to have integrity and promotes transparency, but engages in under the cover and backroom deals. Thanks to FOIA some sunshine was spread on Bradsher's dealings.
2/7/2011 9:39:47 AM
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DCDCSW wrote:
If the members of the school board are afraid, ashamed or embarrassed by what is stated in their tax payer funded (positions)email then they should resign from office. Case closed. If you don't do 'wrong' in the dark then you don't have to worry about when those actions come to light.
2/7/2011 8:55:02 AM
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Nosh1 wrote:
I am not sure what the problem is. Charge every requester the set rate and move on.
If it costs 31 bucks an hour, then charge that to cover the costs. End of story.
2/7/2011 8:51:18 AM
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thisnewocean wrote:
mmkm states it perfectly.
Some FCPS school board representatives seem to forget the fact that their FCPS email accounts are to be used to conduct official school business--not political plotting, whining, or disparaging parents in the community.
Post staff: Has anyone at the Post read the emails that were made available?
2/7/2011 7:09:40 AM
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mmkm wrote:
Isn't the real story about what was in those FOIA emails? The reader of this article might understand why there are so many requests if the reporter had revealed a little more about the emails.
FOIA was set up to protect citizens from abuse by government officials. And, abuse is exactly what is revealed in the emails relating to Clifton. This is exactly why we need FOIA.
2/7/2011 6:45:32 AM
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ProudVoter wrote:
There obviously is a big trust issue between the current Fairfax County School Board & administration, and the parents. The School Board and FCPS management seems to forget that the parents and all County taxpayers have an expectation of high integrity and transparent decision making by their School Board. Instead there have been repeated instances of decisions being made before public hearings even begin, decisions being made that go against the objective facts and data, decisions being made that go against the desires of the parents and taxpayers (the customers), and ugly back room dealing. An enlightened School Board would want to know what has caused this and be asking themselves what they can do to be even more transparent and responsive to the public to try and regain trust.
Voters will have the opportunity to vote in many new School Board members in November. They should exercise their right to do so.
2/7/2011 12:52:44 AM
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
school board scandal
()
Date: February 07, 2011 04:42PM
Def from CliftonVV Wrote:
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> school board scandal Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am not a Clifton resident but I do find
> interest
> > in this Clifton School closing scandal which is
> > heating up around the FCSB on a daily basis.
> It
> > appears that the closing had very little to do
> > with what is best for the students and the
> county
> > school system as a whole, but more to do with
> > settling personal vendettas and achieving
> personal
> > agendas by board members. Frequently in these
> > newly disclosed e-mails disdain for the Clifton
> > community is expressed and rampant for
> "those",
> > "entitled", etc. people of Clifton. It is also
> > interesting that many of the reasons for
> closing
> > the school have disproved for example the
> concern
> > over the quality of potable water.
> > In my opinion the closing of Clifton School in
> the
> > corrupt manner that it was conducted is
> > unacceptable and undeniable.
> > If the Washington Post and other media outlets
> > expose to the mass audience this gross and
> > negligent abuse of power, it may bring the FCSB
> to
> > its knees forcing them to reverse their
> decision
> > to close the school. I would recommend to the
> > people living in the Clifton area to pursue
> this
> > angle. Gather up as much evidence of FCSB
> > wrong-doing and present it to the local media.
> > Then let them take it from there.
>
> You're from Clifton, admit it!
>
> PS, Herrity is toast in NOVA politics. Stick a
> fork in him, he is done!
You say that I live in the Clifton area. I say I don't. Let's put some money on it! SAY $100.
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> school board scandal Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am not a Clifton resident but I do find
> interest
> > in this Clifton School closing scandal which is
> > heating up around the FCSB on a daily basis.
> It
> > appears that the closing had very little to do
> > with what is best for the students and the
> county
> > school system as a whole, but more to do with
> > settling personal vendettas and achieving
> personal
> > agendas by board members. Frequently in these
> > newly disclosed e-mails disdain for the Clifton
> > community is expressed and rampant for
> "those",
> > "entitled", etc. people of Clifton. It is also
> > interesting that many of the reasons for
> closing
> > the school have disproved for example the
> concern
> > over the quality of potable water.
> > In my opinion the closing of Clifton School in
> the
> > corrupt manner that it was conducted is
> > unacceptable and undeniable.
> > If the Washington Post and other media outlets
> > expose to the mass audience this gross and
> > negligent abuse of power, it may bring the FCSB
> to
> > its knees forcing them to reverse their
> decision
> > to close the school. I would recommend to the
> > people living in the Clifton area to pursue
> this
> > angle. Gather up as much evidence of FCSB
> > wrong-doing and present it to the local media.
> > Then let them take it from there.
>
> You're from Clifton, admit it!
>
> PS, Herrity is toast in NOVA politics. Stick a
> fork in him, he is done!
You say that I live in the Clifton area. I say I don't. Let's put some money on it! SAY $100.
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Posted by:
Live Long and Prosper
()
Date: February 07, 2011 08:12PM
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one."
Obviously those in Clifton never got the message from Spock! All the FOIA requests, while interesting and show a lack of decorum by the school board are costing the rest of the county thousands of taxpayer dollars! While I understand all the "rage", take it out with YOUR OWN COIN! OH and by the way, I really would like to see those who are suing the school board/ FCPS when the LOSE have to pay all the lawyer fees for the county (mostly because I don't think that the rest of us should have to pay for your insolence. Feel free to go off, I really don't give a hoot, you guys have already caused enough problems!
Please go away!
Obviously those in Clifton never got the message from Spock! All the FOIA requests, while interesting and show a lack of decorum by the school board are costing the rest of the county thousands of taxpayer dollars! While I understand all the "rage", take it out with YOUR OWN COIN! OH and by the way, I really would like to see those who are suing the school board/ FCPS when the LOSE have to pay all the lawyer fees for the county (mostly because I don't think that the rest of us should have to pay for your insolence. Feel free to go off, I really don't give a hoot, you guys have already caused enough problems!
Please go away!
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Date: February 07, 2011 09:20PM
No, thankfully, they are here, or otherwise this would all really go down in flames. This is a travesty, and a shame, and downright embarrassing, the actions of some on the SB and FCPS. Lack of decorum? That's putting it quite mildly. Obviously, you don't have a dog in this fight. It's affecting far more than just Clifton, with the overcrowding that already exists pre-Clifton closure.
You must be a troll. You obviously don't get it, and the only way that's possible, is you don't care to get it.
You must be a troll. You obviously don't get it, and the only way that's possible, is you don't care to get it.
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Spock is ill
()
Date: February 07, 2011 09:37PM
"Live Long and Prosper" wrote:
Feel free to go off, I really don't give a hoot, you guys have already caused enough problems!
Please go away!
If you really don't "give a hoot", why are you telling people to "go away"? You are totally illogical Spock.
Feel free to go off, I really don't give a hoot, you guys have already caused enough problems!
Please go away!
If you really don't "give a hoot", why are you telling people to "go away"? You are totally illogical Spock.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Making enemies
()
Date: February 07, 2011 09:47PM
Live Long and Prosper Wrote:
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> All the FOIA requests, while
> interesting and show a lack of decorum by the
> school board are costing the rest of the county
> thousands of taxpayer dollars!
Elizabeth Schultz et al are also making a lot of enemies by posting the FOIA emails here for no other reason but to ridicule. Releasing all the non-school board private citizen email addresses here is an invasion of privacy and a shame. These Clifton people have no concern for the privacy of others.
Call the Schultz's and let them know that what they are doing is wrong!
(703) 266-2299
Cheers!
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> All the FOIA requests, while
> interesting and show a lack of decorum by the
> school board are costing the rest of the county
> thousands of taxpayer dollars!
Elizabeth Schultz et al are also making a lot of enemies by posting the FOIA emails here for no other reason but to ridicule. Releasing all the non-school board private citizen email addresses here is an invasion of privacy and a shame. These Clifton people have no concern for the privacy of others.
Call the Schultz's and let them know that what they are doing is wrong!
(703) 266-2299
Cheers!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
34943
()
Date: February 07, 2011 10:06PM
Really, these Clifton folks need to chill out - if they think FCPS School Board is such a crap, then why send the kids to FCPS?
The fact is that the FCPS Board makes hundreds of good decisions which benefit the children of FC. That is why people want to send their kids to FCPS.
Its just that when some folks dont agree with some decisions, people get riled and suddenly the board is full of evil members.
CES folks - do you realize how childish your actions look?
The fact is that the FCPS Board makes hundreds of good decisions which benefit the children of FC. That is why people want to send their kids to FCPS.
Its just that when some folks dont agree with some decisions, people get riled and suddenly the board is full of evil members.
CES folks - do you realize how childish your actions look?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: February 07, 2011 10:10PM
34943 Wrote:
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> Really, these Clifton folks need to chill out - if
> they think FCPS School Board is such a crap, then
> why send the kids to FCPS?
>
> The fact is that the FCPS Board makes hundreds of
> good decisions which benefit the children of FC.
> That is why people want to send their kids to
> FCPS.
>
> Its just that when some folks dont agree with some
> decisions, people get riled and suddenly the board
> is full of evil members.
>
> CES folks - do you realize how childish your
> actions look?
It's a little bit late for a toadying apologist to come to Liz Bradsher's rescue. If you wanted to help her, you should have intervened before she did so much damage to herself and others.
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> Really, these Clifton folks need to chill out - if
> they think FCPS School Board is such a crap, then
> why send the kids to FCPS?
>
> The fact is that the FCPS Board makes hundreds of
> good decisions which benefit the children of FC.
> That is why people want to send their kids to
> FCPS.
>
> Its just that when some folks dont agree with some
> decisions, people get riled and suddenly the board
> is full of evil members.
>
> CES folks - do you realize how childish your
> actions look?
It's a little bit late for a toadying apologist to come to Liz Bradsher's rescue. If you wanted to help her, you should have intervened before she did so much damage to herself and others.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The anti-Herrity
()
Date: February 07, 2011 10:15PM
Skeptical Wrote:
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>
> It's a little bit late for a toadying apologist to
> come to Liz Bradsher's rescue. If you wanted to
> help her, you should have intervened before she
> did so much damage to herself and others.
The only one damaged is Pat Herrity. That puke will certainly lose reelection for his CES special interest support.
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>
> It's a little bit late for a toadying apologist to
> come to Liz Bradsher's rescue. If you wanted to
> help her, you should have intervened before she
> did so much damage to herself and others.
The only one damaged is Pat Herrity. That puke will certainly lose reelection for his CES special interest support.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
2456345
()
Date: February 07, 2011 10:17PM
its a lil too late whining abt CES closure, dont u think.
And, every single word I typed is true.
And, every single word I typed is true.
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Posted by:
Hot off the Press
()
Date: February 08, 2011 12:05AM
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
ByeLiz
()
Date: February 08, 2011 12:06AM
Watched the School Board Public Hearing on TV tonight. The only thing I am sure of is that it seems to be a slow burn, but Liz Bradsher's political career is definitely melting away.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
NotPat
()
Date: February 08, 2011 12:16AM
The anti-Herrity Wrote:
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> Skeptical Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > It's a little bit late for a toadying apologist
> to
> > come to Liz Bradsher's rescue. If you wanted
> to
> > help her, you should have intervened before she
> > did so much damage to herself and others.
>
>
> The only one damaged is Pat Herrity. That puke
> will certainly lose reelection for his CES special
> interest support.
With the road this School Board is going it looks more like he is instead going to gain the votes of any of the PTAs in his area that signed the Resolution to stop the boundary study. By pushing this boundary study through before next September they are handing him a ton of votes on a silver platter.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Skeptical Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > It's a little bit late for a toadying apologist
> to
> > come to Liz Bradsher's rescue. If you wanted
> to
> > help her, you should have intervened before she
> > did so much damage to herself and others.
>
>
> The only one damaged is Pat Herrity. That puke
> will certainly lose reelection for his CES special
> interest support.
With the road this School Board is going it looks more like he is instead going to gain the votes of any of the PTAs in his area that signed the Resolution to stop the boundary study. By pushing this boundary study through before next September they are handing him a ton of votes on a silver platter.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
NoToLiz
()
Date: February 08, 2011 12:43AM
NotPat Wrote:
> >
> >
> > The only one damaged is Pat Herrity. That puke
> > will certainly lose reelection for his CES
> special
> > interest support.
>
>
> With the road this School Board is going it looks
> more like he is instead going to gain the votes of
> any of the PTAs in his area that signed the
> Resolution to stop the boundary study. By pushing
> this boundary study through before next September
> they are handing him a ton of votes on a silver
> platter.
Yep. Liz Bradsher is her own worst enemy. Pat Herrity is coming out looking like the good guy on this one by doing nothing more than warning people and then letting Liz cause her own damage by going through with her plans anyway. It's starting to become comical just watching it. It will be the perfect storm and it will hit just before election day.
> >
> >
> > The only one damaged is Pat Herrity. That puke
> > will certainly lose reelection for his CES
> special
> > interest support.
>
>
> With the road this School Board is going it looks
> more like he is instead going to gain the votes of
> any of the PTAs in his area that signed the
> Resolution to stop the boundary study. By pushing
> this boundary study through before next September
> they are handing him a ton of votes on a silver
> platter.
Yep. Liz Bradsher is her own worst enemy. Pat Herrity is coming out looking like the good guy on this one by doing nothing more than warning people and then letting Liz cause her own damage by going through with her plans anyway. It's starting to become comical just watching it. It will be the perfect storm and it will hit just before election day.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Blogs
()
Date: February 08, 2011 12:53AM
http://www.novacommonsense.com/2011/02/02/democrats-dont-want-liz-bradsher-either/
UPDATED – Democrats may not want Liz Bradsher either
My friends over at Red NoVA got a pretty good scoop yesterday, when they reported that current Republican endorsed Springfield School Board representative Liz Bradsher had applied for membership in the Fairfax County Democratic Party.
This isn’t surprising to those of us who have been watching Bradsher’s tenure in office, and I noted in an article last year that she had actively disclaimed being a Republican, but when pressured she wouldn’t answer affirmatively that she was a Democrat.
“Maybe,†she said.
Well, looks like she at least made up her mind. Bradsher wants to be a Democrat.
UPDATE: According to Ben Tribbett over at Not Larry Sabato, no vote was taken on her membership last night at the FCDC meeting, with the vote being postponed to the next meeting. Here’s hoping that the Democrats make the right decision and refuse to let Bradsher play them like she played us.
Also according to our friends at RedNoVA, she said at the meeting that she didn’t intend to run for School Board again – which is good, because the chances of her getting reelected are about as good as GW making it to the Final Four this year. RedNoVA also reported that she’d made overtures for running for Board of Supervisors. Good luck. Without support from the Democrats, she’s got nowhere to turn to for support. She has zero chance in beating Pat Herrity in a primary for the Republican nomination and the Democrats are smart enough to not want her either.
What I find telling is the fact that, when the avenue of running as a Republican failed her, she turned to the Democrats. That’s a cynical move, and one that should give any of us pause when looking at those who seek elected office. I’m a strong believer in the two party system and I want my elected officials to choose a side and stay with it. As the old saying goes, you dance with the date who brought you. Those folks who want to run so bad that they’re willing to jump from party to party really need to take a step back and figure out exactly why they’re running – do they want to serve or are they just in it for their own egos?
In Bradsher’s case, I’m pretty sure we all know the answer to that.
UPDATED – Democrats may not want Liz Bradsher either
My friends over at Red NoVA got a pretty good scoop yesterday, when they reported that current Republican endorsed Springfield School Board representative Liz Bradsher had applied for membership in the Fairfax County Democratic Party.
This isn’t surprising to those of us who have been watching Bradsher’s tenure in office, and I noted in an article last year that she had actively disclaimed being a Republican, but when pressured she wouldn’t answer affirmatively that she was a Democrat.
“Maybe,†she said.
Well, looks like she at least made up her mind. Bradsher wants to be a Democrat.
UPDATE: According to Ben Tribbett over at Not Larry Sabato, no vote was taken on her membership last night at the FCDC meeting, with the vote being postponed to the next meeting. Here’s hoping that the Democrats make the right decision and refuse to let Bradsher play them like she played us.
Also according to our friends at RedNoVA, she said at the meeting that she didn’t intend to run for School Board again – which is good, because the chances of her getting reelected are about as good as GW making it to the Final Four this year. RedNoVA also reported that she’d made overtures for running for Board of Supervisors. Good luck. Without support from the Democrats, she’s got nowhere to turn to for support. She has zero chance in beating Pat Herrity in a primary for the Republican nomination and the Democrats are smart enough to not want her either.
What I find telling is the fact that, when the avenue of running as a Republican failed her, she turned to the Democrats. That’s a cynical move, and one that should give any of us pause when looking at those who seek elected office. I’m a strong believer in the two party system and I want my elected officials to choose a side and stay with it. As the old saying goes, you dance with the date who brought you. Those folks who want to run so bad that they’re willing to jump from party to party really need to take a step back and figure out exactly why they’re running – do they want to serve or are they just in it for their own egos?
In Bradsher’s case, I’m pretty sure we all know the answer to that.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
H-I-larious
()
Date: February 08, 2011 03:45AM
It is hilarious that Bradsher and her trolly little toadies STILL think that Clifton is responsible for all their ills.
Were they conscious for the public hearing tonight?
We watched and, man, did that make for good entertainment.
Seemed like the head count were more people not from Clifton, not with any children, not with any dog in the fight who came out to support their own schools in the travesty of a boundary study - and the bonus was the opportunity to let the school board, and especially Liz Bradsher, know exactly what they thought.
Not a single word of support for the board. Not one. Nothing. Only blistering truth.
So, the board can either keep deluding themselves that there are those of us around the county supporting those fighting the boundary study or they can keep up the arrogance and slinging mud at parents, moms (Shultz should get a medal) and dads and advocates.
Were they conscious for the public hearing tonight?
We watched and, man, did that make for good entertainment.
Seemed like the head count were more people not from Clifton, not with any children, not with any dog in the fight who came out to support their own schools in the travesty of a boundary study - and the bonus was the opportunity to let the school board, and especially Liz Bradsher, know exactly what they thought.
Not a single word of support for the board. Not one. Nothing. Only blistering truth.
So, the board can either keep deluding themselves that there are those of us around the county supporting those fighting the boundary study or they can keep up the arrogance and slinging mud at parents, moms (Shultz should get a medal) and dads and advocates.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Making enemies is a douche
()
Date: February 08, 2011 07:28AM
Making enemies Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Live Long and Prosper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > All the FOIA requests, while
> > interesting and show a lack of decorum by the
> > school board are costing the rest of the county
> > thousands of taxpayer dollars!
>
> Elizabeth Schultz et al are also making a lot of
> enemies by posting the FOIA emails here for no
> other reason but to ridicule. Releasing all the
> non-school board private citizen email addresses
> here is an invasion of privacy and a shame. These
> Clifton people have no concern for the privacy of
> others.
>
> Call the Schultz's and let them know that what
> they are doing is wrong!
>
> (703) 266-2299
>
> Cheers!
You pathetic piece of shit. The SB members are using public school accounts. They belong to the tax payers, not the high and mightly school board members. You don't know anything about this subject so go get your lying pinocchio nose out of Bradsher's ass and go screw yourself.
Cheers!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Live Long and Prosper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > All the FOIA requests, while
> > interesting and show a lack of decorum by the
> > school board are costing the rest of the county
> > thousands of taxpayer dollars!
>
> Elizabeth Schultz et al are also making a lot of
> enemies by posting the FOIA emails here for no
> other reason but to ridicule. Releasing all the
> non-school board private citizen email addresses
> here is an invasion of privacy and a shame. These
> Clifton people have no concern for the privacy of
> others.
>
> Call the Schultz's and let them know that what
> they are doing is wrong!
>
> (703) 266-2299
>
> Cheers!
You pathetic piece of shit. The SB members are using public school accounts. They belong to the tax payers, not the high and mightly school board members. You don't know anything about this subject so go get your lying pinocchio nose out of Bradsher's ass and go screw yourself.
Cheers!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Questions
()
Date: February 08, 2011 07:59AM
Making enemies Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Live Long and Prosper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > All the FOIA requests, while
> > interesting and show a lack of decorum by the
> > school board are costing the rest of the county
> > thousands of taxpayer dollars!
>
> Elizabeth Schultz et al are also making a lot of
> enemies by posting the FOIA emails here for no
> other reason but to ridicule. Releasing all the
> non-school board private citizen email addresses
> here is an invasion of privacy and a shame. These
> Clifton people have no concern for the privacy of
> others.
>
> Call the Schultz's and let them know that what
> they are doing is wrong!
>
> (703) 266-2299
>
> Cheers!
There is a post above which says Elizabeth Schultz made one FOIA request but there are many FOIA'd emails on this list so obviously it isn't her. So what is your personal vendetta with her? This is intriguing that her name keeps coming up.
It is also interesting that you have a fit about privacy and then YOU post HER phone number on this list. Thanks for doing that, by the way, because I am going to call her and tell her I am not sure who is posting these FOIAs but thank her for the guts she obviously has in questioning this School Board because I have seen her on TV and in various newspaper articles fighting for the educational interests of the children in this part of the County.
What I want to know is how much money of my taxdollars FCPS is spending on their people down in Richmond currently LOBBYING to try and avoid producing the FOIAs. It seems like they are desperately trying to hide something. What is in the FOIAs that they don't want to turn over?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Live Long and Prosper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > All the FOIA requests, while
> > interesting and show a lack of decorum by the
> > school board are costing the rest of the county
> > thousands of taxpayer dollars!
>
> Elizabeth Schultz et al are also making a lot of
> enemies by posting the FOIA emails here for no
> other reason but to ridicule. Releasing all the
> non-school board private citizen email addresses
> here is an invasion of privacy and a shame. These
> Clifton people have no concern for the privacy of
> others.
>
> Call the Schultz's and let them know that what
> they are doing is wrong!
>
> (703) 266-2299
>
> Cheers!
There is a post above which says Elizabeth Schultz made one FOIA request but there are many FOIA'd emails on this list so obviously it isn't her. So what is your personal vendetta with her? This is intriguing that her name keeps coming up.
It is also interesting that you have a fit about privacy and then YOU post HER phone number on this list. Thanks for doing that, by the way, because I am going to call her and tell her I am not sure who is posting these FOIAs but thank her for the guts she obviously has in questioning this School Board because I have seen her on TV and in various newspaper articles fighting for the educational interests of the children in this part of the County.
What I want to know is how much money of my taxdollars FCPS is spending on their people down in Richmond currently LOBBYING to try and avoid producing the FOIAs. It seems like they are desperately trying to hide something. What is in the FOIAs that they don't want to turn over?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hardball
()
Date: February 08, 2011 08:07AM
Making enemies Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Live Long and Prosper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > All the FOIA requests, while
> > interesting and show a lack of decorum by the
> > school board are costing the rest of the county
> > thousands of taxpayer dollars!
>
> Elizabeth Schultz et al are also making a lot of
> enemies by posting the FOIA emails here for no
> other reason but to ridicule. Releasing all the
> non-school board private citizen email addresses
> here is an invasion of privacy and a shame. These
> Clifton people have no concern for the privacy of
> others.
>
> Call the Schultz's and let them know that what
> they are doing is wrong!
>
> (703) 266-2299
>
> Cheers!
Getting hardball now I guess. I have to think this is part of the SB's communication plan - villify the parents who ask for transparency. We got the polite version in the Post article from Honest Abe and Liz, and now we're getting the dirty version.
Need to start fresh with all new members in 2012. The one we have doesn't work.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Live Long and Prosper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > All the FOIA requests, while
> > interesting and show a lack of decorum by the
> > school board are costing the rest of the county
> > thousands of taxpayer dollars!
>
> Elizabeth Schultz et al are also making a lot of
> enemies by posting the FOIA emails here for no
> other reason but to ridicule. Releasing all the
> non-school board private citizen email addresses
> here is an invasion of privacy and a shame. These
> Clifton people have no concern for the privacy of
> others.
>
> Call the Schultz's and let them know that what
> they are doing is wrong!
>
> (703) 266-2299
>
> Cheers!
Getting hardball now I guess. I have to think this is part of the SB's communication plan - villify the parents who ask for transparency. We got the polite version in the Post article from Honest Abe and Liz, and now we're getting the dirty version.
Need to start fresh with all new members in 2012. The one we have doesn't work.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Animorpher
()
Date: February 08, 2011 11:56AM
Watched last night; more than 1,000 words by the public, but no picture is worth the words they used - it rocked!
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
unbelievable
()
Date: February 08, 2011 12:19PM
The question to be asked regarding the articlein the Post is....whom are we to beleive....the reporter for the Post or a bunch of disgruntled individuals who post their displeasure on discussion boards?
I think we all know the answer to that one!
I don't mind the comments so much as the waste of taxpayer money to try and keep a school open that should be closed (with the option to build a new school in the area, it's too bad that teh ad hoc folks didn't follow through on the Liberty site or another site nearby).
I think we all know the answer to that one!
I don't mind the comments so much as the waste of taxpayer money to try and keep a school open that should be closed (with the option to build a new school in the area, it's too bad that teh ad hoc folks didn't follow through on the Liberty site or another site nearby).
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SW
()
Date: February 08, 2011 01:06PM
Well said unbelievable (). The FCPS School Board members are not a bunch of idiots - who just are out there to screw the county.
The boundary changes being proposed are, in most part are very logical and phase in over 2-3 years.
Its only some PTA's ( with their own agenda, we all know that) and CES impacted folks who are bent on calling this hasty.
The fact is - 50% of the seats in the auditorium were empty yesterday. 60%-70% of people who bothered to give their feedback, support the proposed action.
People are relatively OK with these changes.
The other folks on this board need to face up to this fact.
The boundary changes being proposed are, in most part are very logical and phase in over 2-3 years.
Its only some PTA's ( with their own agenda, we all know that) and CES impacted folks who are bent on calling this hasty.
The fact is - 50% of the seats in the auditorium were empty yesterday. 60%-70% of people who bothered to give their feedback, support the proposed action.
People are relatively OK with these changes.
The other folks on this board need to face up to this fact.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
See and Believe
()
Date: February 08, 2011 01:13PM
Don't believe a word any poster says - who cares.
Liz and Dean bury themselves with their own words.
Collecting votes SECRETLY BEHIND THE SCENES:
two weeks BEFORE the public hearing
more than two weeks before the work session and
three weeks before the public meeting to "vote"
Attachments:
Liz and Dean bury themselves with their own words.
Collecting votes SECRETLY BEHIND THE SCENES:
two weeks BEFORE the public hearing
more than two weeks before the work session and
three weeks before the public meeting to "vote"
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
No FCPS Trolls
()
Date: February 08, 2011 01:32PM
SW Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Well said unbelievable (). The FCPS School Board
> members are not a bunch of idiots - who just are
> out there to screw the county.
>
>
> The boundary changes being proposed are, in most
> part are very logical and phase in over 2-3
> years.
>
> Its only some PTA's ( with their own agenda, we
> all know that) and CES impacted folks who are bent
> on calling this hasty.
>
> The fact is - 50% of the seats in the auditorium
> were empty yesterday. 60%-70% of people who
> bothered to give their feedback, support the
> proposed action.
>
> People are relatively OK with these changes.
>
> The other folks on this board need to face up to
> this fact.
What 60-70%? Are you high? Not a single speaker said a kind word to the board. No praise. No congratulations. No job well done. No kudos, high fives and no gratitude.
The school board has received nearly 2 years of feedback that their are ramming stuff down the throats of residents. People are exhausted with their non-silence being ignored. One speaker said it best when he said the empty chairs were silence that needing listening to - because they represented all the people who are so thoroughly disgusted with the board.
People from around the region spoke. People who had NO KIDS spoke. People who have absolutely nothing to gain and just their money going to this mafia to lose. These on top of the countless emails, meetings, letters, calls.
Let's see if the board can prove they aren't arrogant and sanctimonious. If they do the right thing, everyone here will be proved wrong. Hazard to say, they will take that lump if the board does do the right thing.
Betcha they don't.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Well said unbelievable (). The FCPS School Board
> members are not a bunch of idiots - who just are
> out there to screw the county.
>
>
> The boundary changes being proposed are, in most
> part are very logical and phase in over 2-3
> years.
>
> Its only some PTA's ( with their own agenda, we
> all know that) and CES impacted folks who are bent
> on calling this hasty.
>
> The fact is - 50% of the seats in the auditorium
> were empty yesterday. 60%-70% of people who
> bothered to give their feedback, support the
> proposed action.
>
> People are relatively OK with these changes.
>
> The other folks on this board need to face up to
> this fact.
What 60-70%? Are you high? Not a single speaker said a kind word to the board. No praise. No congratulations. No job well done. No kudos, high fives and no gratitude.
The school board has received nearly 2 years of feedback that their are ramming stuff down the throats of residents. People are exhausted with their non-silence being ignored. One speaker said it best when he said the empty chairs were silence that needing listening to - because they represented all the people who are so thoroughly disgusted with the board.
People from around the region spoke. People who had NO KIDS spoke. People who have absolutely nothing to gain and just their money going to this mafia to lose. These on top of the countless emails, meetings, letters, calls.
Let's see if the board can prove they aren't arrogant and sanctimonious. If they do the right thing, everyone here will be proved wrong. Hazard to say, they will take that lump if the board does do the right thing.
Betcha they don't.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
the mahatma
()
Date: February 08, 2011 01:41PM
Making enemies Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Live Long and Prosper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > All the FOIA requests, while
> > interesting and show a lack of decorum by the
> > school board are costing the rest of the county
> > thousands of taxpayer dollars!
>
> Elizabeth Schultz et al are also making a lot of
> enemies by posting the FOIA emails here for no
> other reason but to ridicule. Releasing all the
> non-school board private citizen email addresses
> here is an invasion of privacy and a shame. These
> Clifton people have no concern for the privacy of
> others.
>
> Call the Schultz's and let them know that what
> they are doing is wrong!
>
> (703) 266-2299
>
> Cheers!
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win!
Keep at Mrs. Schultz!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Live Long and Prosper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > All the FOIA requests, while
> > interesting and show a lack of decorum by the
> > school board are costing the rest of the county
> > thousands of taxpayer dollars!
>
> Elizabeth Schultz et al are also making a lot of
> enemies by posting the FOIA emails here for no
> other reason but to ridicule. Releasing all the
> non-school board private citizen email addresses
> here is an invasion of privacy and a shame. These
> Clifton people have no concern for the privacy of
> others.
>
> Call the Schultz's and let them know that what
> they are doing is wrong!
>
> (703) 266-2299
>
> Cheers!
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win!
Keep at Mrs. Schultz!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hope we win
()
Date: February 08, 2011 01:43PM
+1
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SW
()
Date: February 08, 2011 02:00PM
Relax No FCPS Trolls () ( this is exactly the type of hyper folks talking yesterday)
60%-70% of people who
> bothered to give their feedback, support the
> proposed action.
This is the result of the online survey - in response to which, 600 folks responded and 65% were positive.
As much as you shout, it does not hide the fact that many folks do think these boundary changes are logical - assuming CES is closed.
And, there is something called email, through which direct feedback can be provided to the SB
60%-70% of people who
> bothered to give their feedback, support the
> proposed action.
This is the result of the online survey - in response to which, 600 folks responded and 65% were positive.
As much as you shout, it does not hide the fact that many folks do think these boundary changes are logical - assuming CES is closed.
And, there is something called email, through which direct feedback can be provided to the SB
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
2nd place
()
Date: February 08, 2011 02:46PM
These are the people who have studied Clifton for how long?
And still know nothing about it.
Informed decision hardly.
Attachments:
And still know nothing about it.
Informed decision hardly.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
You will never get it
()
Date: February 08, 2011 03:43PM
Unless your child goes to Clifton elementary you will never get why we love our school so much. This should be about the children but sad to say it is not.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
CORRUPT SCHOOL BOARD
()
Date: February 08, 2011 03:55PM
FYI
FCPS has been sued more than four times in 4 years.
FCPS has been dramatically increasing their legal budget every year for 4 years to protect their dramatically increasingly defective actions.
FCPS is back down in Richmond to lobby the legislature to take away even more of the parents and taxpayer rights.
What is the FCPS administration afraid of? Parents?
FCPS multiple year charade has only gone to develop frighteningly more powerful county wide coalitions who will no longer be denied.
TWELVE BIG ASS HOLES, PLUS DALE
FCPS has been sued more than four times in 4 years.
FCPS has been dramatically increasing their legal budget every year for 4 years to protect their dramatically increasingly defective actions.
FCPS is back down in Richmond to lobby the legislature to take away even more of the parents and taxpayer rights.
What is the FCPS administration afraid of? Parents?
FCPS multiple year charade has only gone to develop frighteningly more powerful county wide coalitions who will no longer be denied.
TWELVE BIG ASS HOLES, PLUS DALE
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SW
()
Date: February 08, 2011 03:55PM
to: You will never get it ()
I would be really sad/angry if my child's school is closed. But I am in a situation where because of CES closing..my child's school is also changing ( which is effectively the same as my child's school closing)
So - I am just as impacted..and I have made it loud and clear to the board..that IF the CES closing is final, THEN the suggested boundary changes are quite reasonable.
I dont have a fight with the CES parents - just with those people who are calling the boundary study incoherent/incomplete/blah blah.. - when its really not - given the fact that CES is slated for closure.
I would be really sad/angry if my child's school is closed. But I am in a situation where because of CES closing..my child's school is also changing ( which is effectively the same as my child's school closing)
So - I am just as impacted..and I have made it loud and clear to the board..that IF the CES closing is final, THEN the suggested boundary changes are quite reasonable.
I dont have a fight with the CES parents - just with those people who are calling the boundary study incoherent/incomplete/blah blah.. - when its really not - given the fact that CES is slated for closure.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
REAL costs
()
Date: February 08, 2011 04:01PM
I can't wait to see the real costs of this whole nightmare.
Let's haul in all these trailers-even if they have them at another site it still costs $50,000 to move ONE.
How many will we need? 10? 15?
It should be interesting when they CRAM 400 kids into these classrooms.
Good governance at its finest.
Let's haul in all these trailers-even if they have them at another site it still costs $50,000 to move ONE.
How many will we need? 10? 15?
It should be interesting when they CRAM 400 kids into these classrooms.
Good governance at its finest.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
CES closing
()
Date: February 08, 2011 04:11PM
If only people who did not live in Clifton were first told by the SB the TRUTH. We may have been able to all get together and fight the SB.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
reader
()
Date: February 08, 2011 04:16PM
don't have to use low bid????Interesting.....is there a connection? Who gets the contract?
"Many counties like Fairfax are also using the new Public-Private Education Facilities and Infrastructure Act of 2002 to help keep the process moving expeditiously. The legislation allows local entities to contract outside the typical low-bid Virginia public procurement process. School systems are using it in a variety of ways to help bring in best-value bidders, rather than low-bid, and speed up the general delivery process"
"Many counties like Fairfax are also using the new Public-Private Education Facilities and Infrastructure Act of 2002 to help keep the process moving expeditiously. The legislation allows local entities to contract outside the typical low-bid Virginia public procurement process. School systems are using it in a variety of ways to help bring in best-value bidders, rather than low-bid, and speed up the general delivery process"
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
reader
()
Date: February 08, 2011 04:18PM
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
A Good Thing
()
Date: February 08, 2011 04:58PM
Live Long and Prosper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the
> few or the one."
>
> Obviously those in Clifton never got the message
> from Spock! All the FOIA requests, while
> interesting and show a lack of decorum by the
> school board are costing the rest of the county
> thousands of taxpayer dollars! While I understand
> all the "rage", take it out with YOUR OWN COIN! OH
> and by the way, I really would like to see those
> who are suing the school board/ FCPS when the LOSE
> have to pay all the lawyer fees for the county
> (mostly because I don't think that the rest of us
> should have to pay for your insolence. Feel free
> to go off, I really don't give a hoot, you guys
> have already caused enough problems!
>
> Please go away!
This is about right -
fiction, aliens, living in another universe, mindmelds
and the
School Board. That works.
May we clue you in? Star Trek is an F'ing story, you basement dweller.
You have obviously been assimilated.
Now, let the grown ups do the real work and go back to your XBox.
Out here, we deal with real problems, real corruption - and real consequences.
Try a little earthbound Superman if you can only mentally process a fantasy life -
Truth, Justice and the American Way.
-------------------------------------------------------
> "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the
> few or the one."
>
> Obviously those in Clifton never got the message
> from Spock! All the FOIA requests, while
> interesting and show a lack of decorum by the
> school board are costing the rest of the county
> thousands of taxpayer dollars! While I understand
> all the "rage", take it out with YOUR OWN COIN! OH
> and by the way, I really would like to see those
> who are suing the school board/ FCPS when the LOSE
> have to pay all the lawyer fees for the county
> (mostly because I don't think that the rest of us
> should have to pay for your insolence. Feel free
> to go off, I really don't give a hoot, you guys
> have already caused enough problems!
>
> Please go away!
This is about right -
fiction, aliens, living in another universe, mindmelds
and the
School Board. That works.
May we clue you in? Star Trek is an F'ing story, you basement dweller.
You have obviously been assimilated.
Now, let the grown ups do the real work and go back to your XBox.
Out here, we deal with real problems, real corruption - and real consequences.
Try a little earthbound Superman if you can only mentally process a fantasy life -
Truth, Justice and the American Way.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SW-please clarify
()
Date: February 08, 2011 05:05PM
SW Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Relax No FCPS Trolls () ( this is exactly the type
> of hyper folks talking yesterday)
>
> 60%-70% of people who
> > bothered to give their feedback, support the
> > proposed action.
>
> This is the result of the online survey - in
> response to which, 600 folks responded and 65%
> were positive.
>
>
> As much as you shout, it does not hide the fact
> that many folks do think these boundary changes
> are logical - assuming CES is closed.
>
> And, there is something called email, through
> which direct feedback can be provided to the SB
I believe there was a survey on Option D. There was 65% support with minor changes or something like that. But did they do a survey on the latest Option? If so, I missed it (very possible).
-------------------------------------------------------
> Relax No FCPS Trolls () ( this is exactly the type
> of hyper folks talking yesterday)
>
> 60%-70% of people who
> > bothered to give their feedback, support the
> > proposed action.
>
> This is the result of the online survey - in
> response to which, 600 folks responded and 65%
> were positive.
>
>
> As much as you shout, it does not hide the fact
> that many folks do think these boundary changes
> are logical - assuming CES is closed.
>
> And, there is something called email, through
> which direct feedback can be provided to the SB
I believe there was a survey on Option D. There was 65% support with minor changes or something like that. But did they do a survey on the latest Option? If so, I missed it (very possible).
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Alphabet Soup
()
Date: February 08, 2011 05:20PM
Community meetings were only held for first three options.
Small groups. No questions were allowed in front of the collective group.
Divide and conquer?
Answers were only given to the small groups.
Some groups received three different answers to the same question.
Most questions weren't answered at all. They didn't know the answers.
On-line survey, with limited time to respond. We tried and survey said it was over. It wasn't but we couldn't respond.
Option D.
Seems to solve a few problems, but still massive movement, tumbling dominoes for boundaries, many schools over max capacity. Traded problems, not solved them.
Option E.
72 hours later? Final recommendation accepted by Staff.
Yep. That's transparent. That's seeking input.
Then the Public Hearing.
Nearly half of the board members either didn't bother to show up or left early. The hearing has been scheduled since September; they apparently couldn't be bothered to put it on their calendar.
This is a boundary study - of the boundaries of misconduct, mockery of the public and community disengagement.
Small groups. No questions were allowed in front of the collective group.
Divide and conquer?
Answers were only given to the small groups.
Some groups received three different answers to the same question.
Most questions weren't answered at all. They didn't know the answers.
On-line survey, with limited time to respond. We tried and survey said it was over. It wasn't but we couldn't respond.
Option D.
Seems to solve a few problems, but still massive movement, tumbling dominoes for boundaries, many schools over max capacity. Traded problems, not solved them.
Option E.
72 hours later? Final recommendation accepted by Staff.
Yep. That's transparent. That's seeking input.
Then the Public Hearing.
Nearly half of the board members either didn't bother to show up or left early. The hearing has been scheduled since September; they apparently couldn't be bothered to put it on their calendar.
This is a boundary study - of the boundaries of misconduct, mockery of the public and community disengagement.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
oh please
()
Date: February 08, 2011 05:23PM
Some of the entries on this thread are such junk. Sorry, but that's 65% approval (or whatever) based on the paint you in the corner approach taken to derive that count. (Here are the options - which moves the fewest kids? etc., etc. - they are driving you toward a certain conclusion, based on limited poor options)
So many are affected very negatively by the proposed changes. I'm sure no one who supports these changes (based on very poor actions and ethics, I might add) would do so if their neighborhood schools were going to be overcrowded with trailers, and their streets overcrowded with the additional traffic.
But it comes around, so prepare yourself. At the very least, this farce, should it come to pass, will be a black mark on FCPS. Everyone who owns a house within FCPS district will suffer. Fewer people will want to buy a house here and face this kind of possible treatment in the future, and/or deal with the overcrowded, trailer-ridden schools that result.
So many are affected very negatively by the proposed changes. I'm sure no one who supports these changes (based on very poor actions and ethics, I might add) would do so if their neighborhood schools were going to be overcrowded with trailers, and their streets overcrowded with the additional traffic.
But it comes around, so prepare yourself. At the very least, this farce, should it come to pass, will be a black mark on FCPS. Everyone who owns a house within FCPS district will suffer. Fewer people will want to buy a house here and face this kind of possible treatment in the future, and/or deal with the overcrowded, trailer-ridden schools that result.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
September 2011
()
Date: February 08, 2011 05:50PM
Vision of September to come
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: February 08, 2011 05:53PM
SW Wrote:
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> to: You will never get it ()
>
> I would be really sad/angry if my child's school
> is closed. But I am in a situation where because
> of CES closing..my child's school is also changing
> ( which is effectively the same as my child's
> school closing)
>
> So - I am just as impacted..and I have made it
> loud and clear to the board..that IF the CES
> closing is final, THEN the suggested boundary
> changes are quite reasonable.
>
>
> I dont have a fight with the CES parents - just
> with those people who are calling the boundary
> study incoherent/incomplete/blah blah.. - when its
> really not - given the fact that CES is slated for
> closure.
How can you say that the proposed recommendation from FCPS Staff is reasonable when Colin Powell ES, one of the schools that originally started this entire Boundary Study is not getting any relief from their overcrowding until 2013? I'm sorry, but that's not logical.
When the FCPS budget includes $10 MILLION to move trailers - that's not reasonable, that's a travesty! If these people worked in the private sector and handed in reports that create more problems than solve, they would be fired.
Changes to the current boundaries need to be made, nobody is arguing that. There are 5 schools in desperate need of relief from the overcrowding. What people are complaining about is the MILLIONS of dollars being spent when the problems are not being solved, they're simply being shifted to other schools. How is that fair and equal treatment to any of us.
If so many people support these boundary changes, then where were they last night asking the SB to approve the recommendation? There weren't any!
The SB will tell you that they have a 65% approval rating for Option D based on the 600 online responses. If that's the case, what the hell happened to Option D, which is drastically different from the recommendation?
If you're happy with the new school your child will attend next year and you're happy with the move, good for you. I mean that sincerely, I am happy for you.
Personally, I'm okay with the school that my kids are being moved to in the recommendation. It's much better than our previous choices. BUT, this isn't just about me. It is about MILLIONS of taxpayer funds (whether you have children in FCPS or not, 54% of your tax dollars go to FCPS) being spent on a "solution" that creates more problems than it solves.
Nobody is saying that we don't need a solution for the schools facing the worst overcrowding. What we're saying is we want a REAL solution, not a band-aid that is only going to create more problems in the long run. You can cover an infection with the biggest band-aid in the world. If you don't get to the root of the infection it will continue to fester. Is that really what we want for the kids in this county?
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> to: You will never get it ()
>
> I would be really sad/angry if my child's school
> is closed. But I am in a situation where because
> of CES closing..my child's school is also changing
> ( which is effectively the same as my child's
> school closing)
>
> So - I am just as impacted..and I have made it
> loud and clear to the board..that IF the CES
> closing is final, THEN the suggested boundary
> changes are quite reasonable.
>
>
> I dont have a fight with the CES parents - just
> with those people who are calling the boundary
> study incoherent/incomplete/blah blah.. - when its
> really not - given the fact that CES is slated for
> closure.
How can you say that the proposed recommendation from FCPS Staff is reasonable when Colin Powell ES, one of the schools that originally started this entire Boundary Study is not getting any relief from their overcrowding until 2013? I'm sorry, but that's not logical.
When the FCPS budget includes $10 MILLION to move trailers - that's not reasonable, that's a travesty! If these people worked in the private sector and handed in reports that create more problems than solve, they would be fired.
Changes to the current boundaries need to be made, nobody is arguing that. There are 5 schools in desperate need of relief from the overcrowding. What people are complaining about is the MILLIONS of dollars being spent when the problems are not being solved, they're simply being shifted to other schools. How is that fair and equal treatment to any of us.
If so many people support these boundary changes, then where were they last night asking the SB to approve the recommendation? There weren't any!
The SB will tell you that they have a 65% approval rating for Option D based on the 600 online responses. If that's the case, what the hell happened to Option D, which is drastically different from the recommendation?
If you're happy with the new school your child will attend next year and you're happy with the move, good for you. I mean that sincerely, I am happy for you.
Personally, I'm okay with the school that my kids are being moved to in the recommendation. It's much better than our previous choices. BUT, this isn't just about me. It is about MILLIONS of taxpayer funds (whether you have children in FCPS or not, 54% of your tax dollars go to FCPS) being spent on a "solution" that creates more problems than it solves.
Nobody is saying that we don't need a solution for the schools facing the worst overcrowding. What we're saying is we want a REAL solution, not a band-aid that is only going to create more problems in the long run. You can cover an infection with the biggest band-aid in the world. If you don't get to the root of the infection it will continue to fester. Is that really what we want for the kids in this county?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SW = sand pounder
()
Date: February 08, 2011 06:24PM
SW Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> to: You will never get it ()
>
> I would be really sad/angry if my child's school
> is closed. But I am in a situation where because
> of CES closing..my child's school is also changing
> ( which is effectively the same as my child's
> school closing)
>
> So - I am just as impacted..and I have made it
> loud and clear to the board..that IF the CES
> closing is final, THEN the suggested boundary
> changes are quite reasonable.
>
>
> I dont have a fight with the CES parents - just
> with those people who are calling the boundary
> study incoherent/incomplete/blah blah.. - when its
> really not - given the fact that CES is slated for
> closure.
Nobody gives a crap about you or who you think you have a fight with. You're just another pathetic SB lackey trying to sound like the voice of reason. If you're such a fine, upstanding citizen post your name and phone number like the asshole did to the Schultz'. No, your just another anonymous Internet loser who thinks they will change one mind or that anyone cares what you think. We don't
-------------------------------------------------------
> to: You will never get it ()
>
> I would be really sad/angry if my child's school
> is closed. But I am in a situation where because
> of CES closing..my child's school is also changing
> ( which is effectively the same as my child's
> school closing)
>
> So - I am just as impacted..and I have made it
> loud and clear to the board..that IF the CES
> closing is final, THEN the suggested boundary
> changes are quite reasonable.
>
>
> I dont have a fight with the CES parents - just
> with those people who are calling the boundary
> study incoherent/incomplete/blah blah.. - when its
> really not - given the fact that CES is slated for
> closure.
Nobody gives a crap about you or who you think you have a fight with. You're just another pathetic SB lackey trying to sound like the voice of reason. If you're such a fine, upstanding citizen post your name and phone number like the asshole did to the Schultz'. No, your just another anonymous Internet loser who thinks they will change one mind or that anyone cares what you think. We don't
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Schultz family
()
Date: February 08, 2011 06:32PM
The Schultz family are wonderful citizens of Clifton. They have worked hard to make a difference for ALL kids in Fairfax county. We need more people like them.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
* did not mean by the Schultz family
()
Date: February 08, 2011 06:35PM
I am just a citizen in Fairfax who likes what I see in the Schultz family.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
UMES 'rents
()
Date: February 08, 2011 06:50PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
> If so many people support these boundary changes,
> then where were they last night asking the SB to
> approve the recommendation? There weren't any!
>
> The SB will tell you that they have a 65% approval
> rating for Option D based on the 600 online
> responses. If that's the case, what the hell
> happened to Option D, which is drastically
> different from the recommendation?
There is zero approval rate for Option E.
Option D isn't on the table - Staff recommended E.
Option D had no community engagement.
Countywide on-line survey for just the sw portion of the county makes any input suspect. There were no controls, no checks, no data collection.
People filled it out 5-10 in many cases.
Option E had no community engagement.
Came out on a Monday.
Submitted as final to School Bd Thursday.
3 days to receive, have no interaction with public, solicit no comments, provide no further information.
The machine has done the work to marginalize the public.
Seems last night, the public gave as good as they have been getting.
> If so many people support these boundary changes,
> then where were they last night asking the SB to
> approve the recommendation? There weren't any!
>
> The SB will tell you that they have a 65% approval
> rating for Option D based on the 600 online
> responses. If that's the case, what the hell
> happened to Option D, which is drastically
> different from the recommendation?
There is zero approval rate for Option E.
Option D isn't on the table - Staff recommended E.
Option D had no community engagement.
Countywide on-line survey for just the sw portion of the county makes any input suspect. There were no controls, no checks, no data collection.
People filled it out 5-10 in many cases.
Option E had no community engagement.
Came out on a Monday.
Submitted as final to School Bd Thursday.
3 days to receive, have no interaction with public, solicit no comments, provide no further information.
The machine has done the work to marginalize the public.
Seems last night, the public gave as good as they have been getting.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
It is time to move out of Fairfax
()
Date: February 08, 2011 07:02PM
Fairfax county and the schools are becoming a joke. We will no longer be thought of as a great place to live. I have been here forty years and can't wait to move. I am lucky I can live where I want. I feel sorry for the rest of you. I have had enough!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Big Question
()
Date: February 08, 2011 07:37PM
It is time to move out of Fairfax Wrote:
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> Fairfax county and the schools are becoming a
> joke. We will no longer be thought of as a great
> place to live. I have been here forty years and
> can't wait to move. I am lucky I can live where I
> want. I feel sorry for the rest of you. I have had
> enough!
Please, oh please tell the public that you are really Liz Bradsher .....and had enough....
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> Fairfax county and the schools are becoming a
> joke. We will no longer be thought of as a great
> place to live. I have been here forty years and
> can't wait to move. I am lucky I can live where I
> want. I feel sorry for the rest of you. I have had
> enough!
Please, oh please tell the public that you are really Liz Bradsher .....and had enough....
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
burkebaby
()
Date: February 08, 2011 07:50PM
>Please, oh please tell the public that you are really Liz Bradsher .....and had enough.
+1
+1
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
William R Hollaway, Mayor
()
Date: February 08, 2011 07:58PM
Schultz family Wrote:
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> The Schultz family are wonderful citizens of
> Clifton. They have worked hard to make a
> difference for ALL kids in Fairfax county. We need
> more people like them.
They see right through you, Elizabeth, now go back to posting your childish Liz Bradsher bitch pictures.
btw, who paid for the FOIA processing, you or all of us taxpayers?
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> The Schultz family are wonderful citizens of
> Clifton. They have worked hard to make a
> difference for ALL kids in Fairfax county. We need
> more people like them.
They see right through you, Elizabeth, now go back to posting your childish Liz Bradsher bitch pictures.
btw, who paid for the FOIA processing, you or all of us taxpayers?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Jared
()
Date: February 08, 2011 08:27PM
Elizabeth SChultz, please allow me to say that you are an inspiration to the entire community. And please tell these phony blowhards who are oh soooo worried about tax dollars, that the senseless closing of CES will cost them millions in tax dollars, and the cost associated with your prudent FOIA requests pale in comparison. Again, you go girl!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WSHS PARENT
()
Date: February 08, 2011 08:43PM
Jared Wrote:
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> Elizabeth SChultz, please allow me to say that you
> are an inspiration to the entire community. And
> please tell these phony blowhards who are oh soooo
> worried about tax dollars, that the senseless
> closing of CES will cost them millions in tax
> dollars, and the cost associated with your prudent
> FOIA requests pale in comparison. Again, you go
> girl!
+1
Those are the best tax dollars I've seen spent by the FCPS in a long time...if in fact their calculations are correct.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Elizabeth SChultz, please allow me to say that you
> are an inspiration to the entire community. And
> please tell these phony blowhards who are oh soooo
> worried about tax dollars, that the senseless
> closing of CES will cost them millions in tax
> dollars, and the cost associated with your prudent
> FOIA requests pale in comparison. Again, you go
> girl!
+1
Those are the best tax dollars I've seen spent by the FCPS in a long time...if in fact their calculations are correct.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
omg whut?
()
Date: February 08, 2011 08:54PM
Jared Wrote:
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> please tell these phony blowhards who are oh soooo
> worried about tax dollars, that the senseless
> closing of CES will cost them millions in tax
> dollars,
You must be on crack cocaine
What a flagrant lie.
-------------------------------------------------------
> please tell these phony blowhards who are oh soooo
> worried about tax dollars, that the senseless
> closing of CES will cost them millions in tax
> dollars,
You must be on crack cocaine
What a flagrant lie.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Observant Eye
()
Date: February 08, 2011 09:34PM
In reading both emails from supporters of ending the boundary study and posts by those in support of the boundary study [or FCPS], it is interesting that those who wish the boundary study to end provide many reasons, a bunch of facts and seem to have support that is pretty varied.
Those writing in support of FCPS or the study seem to be insult oriented.
Not saying the other side hasn't done the same, but there aren't really any posts denying with facts that Ms. Bradsher did exactly what is claimed.
So, are those in support of FCPS or the study saying Ms. Bradsher did not write these emails?
Righteous or unrighteous anger aside, she either did write these emails, as did all the other school board members and FCPS personnel, or they didn't.
Is the pro-FCPS argument that these emails are fabricated? Certainly there are far too many to be created out of thin air.
If these are, which would appear to be the case, generated by FCPS and school board personnel, what possible argument is there to support the goings-on in these documents?
People watching & reading is fascinating.
Those writing in support of FCPS or the study seem to be insult oriented.
Not saying the other side hasn't done the same, but there aren't really any posts denying with facts that Ms. Bradsher did exactly what is claimed.
So, are those in support of FCPS or the study saying Ms. Bradsher did not write these emails?
Righteous or unrighteous anger aside, she either did write these emails, as did all the other school board members and FCPS personnel, or they didn't.
Is the pro-FCPS argument that these emails are fabricated? Certainly there are far too many to be created out of thin air.
If these are, which would appear to be the case, generated by FCPS and school board personnel, what possible argument is there to support the goings-on in these documents?
People watching & reading is fascinating.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Furh
()
Date: February 08, 2011 09:35PM
Excellent commentary Jared. And the addlepated bold-faced liar and cocaine addict who accused you of falsehoods is a phukking lunatic.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Inspired!
()
Date: February 08, 2011 10:02PM
Book about FCPS and their boundary study hitting the shelves near you.
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
dd
()
Date: February 08, 2011 10:33PM
Honestly, I don't have a dog in this fight. But, did anyone see the article in the Washington Post yesterday? If I remember correctly, the school board was complaining that the citizens of Clifton were putting extreme financial burdens on the school system because of the cost of providing copies of emails between school board members. They were going to take this issue (financial burden due to citizens utilizing the freedom of information act) to Richmond. Yet another waste of our money. I feel fortunate that my children are out of the corrupt school system. Let's clean up this problem before I have school age grandchildren. Trust me, there's nothing worse than a pi$$ed off Grandma!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Document Jockey
()
Date: February 08, 2011 11:09PM
FCPS is not out money.
The person requesting the information must pay to get it.
FCPS is getting their money. If anything, they are making money.
It does not take the many hours they quote to sort email and send a copy.
Attachments:
The person requesting the information must pay to get it.
FCPS is getting their money. If anything, they are making money.
It does not take the many hours they quote to sort email and send a copy.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: February 08, 2011 11:33PM
Anyone else find it funny that Bradsher's campaign site of old now directs to the GoDaddy.com hosting service? Check it out yourself at www.lizbradsher.org .
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Grossed Out Granny
()
Date: February 08, 2011 11:43PM
So, there are other concerned citizens in the county who have asked for Freedom Of Information Act data.
Don't be so quick to point your finger, at Clifton or anyone else, because you have three pointing back at you.
Why doesn't the school system just put the information on their website when they respond, that way we can all see it, who requested it and that school system met the law?
Isn't that pretty simple?
If they make a copy to respond, can't they just make a link at the same time?
Don't be so quick to point your finger, at Clifton or anyone else, because you have three pointing back at you.
Why doesn't the school system just put the information on their website when they respond, that way we can all see it, who requested it and that school system met the law?
Isn't that pretty simple?
If they make a copy to respond, can't they just make a link at the same time?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WSHS Parent
()
Date: February 09, 2011 06:39AM
WSHS PARENT Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jared Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Elizabeth SChultz, please allow me to say that
> you
> > are an inspiration to the entire community. And
> > please tell these phony blowhards who are oh
> soooo
> > worried about tax dollars, that the senseless
> > closing of CES will cost them millions in tax
> > dollars, and the cost associated with your
> prudent
> > FOIA requests pale in comparison. Again, you go
> > girl!
>
> +1
>
> Those are the best tax dollars I've seen spent by
> the FCPS in a long time...if in fact their
> calculations are correct.
Oops, read that wrong. I was referring to cost of the FIOA documents.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jared Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Elizabeth SChultz, please allow me to say that
> you
> > are an inspiration to the entire community. And
> > please tell these phony blowhards who are oh
> soooo
> > worried about tax dollars, that the senseless
> > closing of CES will cost them millions in tax
> > dollars, and the cost associated with your
> prudent
> > FOIA requests pale in comparison. Again, you go
> > girl!
>
> +1
>
> Those are the best tax dollars I've seen spent by
> the FCPS in a long time...if in fact their
> calculations are correct.
Oops, read that wrong. I was referring to cost of the FIOA documents.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
questioner
()
Date: February 09, 2011 07:03AM
Is anyone running against Kathy Smith????
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
run somebody run
()
Date: February 09, 2011 07:20AM
Kathy Smith, the school board's Sully District member, said she was concerned that the mere presence of board members would distract the parents.
"The danger when school board members attend meetings is people stop having meetings and [start] trying to talk to board members, and [the discussion] loses its richness," she said.
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/education/2010/11/fairfax-parents-upset-over-poor-school-board-attendance-overcrowding-meetings##ixzz1DSnc9qam
"The danger when school board members attend meetings is people stop having meetings and [start] trying to talk to board members, and [the discussion] loses its richness," she said.
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/education/2010/11/fairfax-parents-upset-over-poor-school-board-attendance-overcrowding-meetings##ixzz1DSnc9qam
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
go daddy
()
Date: February 09, 2011 08:08AM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Anyone else find it funny that Bradsher's campaign
> site of old now directs to the GoDaddy.com hosting
> service? Check it out yourself at
> www.lizbradsher.org .
That would likely mean that the domain registration has lapsed and it can be purchased by anyone. Takes about 5 minutes to buy from Go Daddy and have it re-directed to something like savecliftonelementary.org. Just sayin.....
-------------------------------------------------------
> Anyone else find it funny that Bradsher's campaign
> site of old now directs to the GoDaddy.com hosting
> service? Check it out yourself at
> www.lizbradsher.org .
That would likely mean that the domain registration has lapsed and it can be purchased by anyone. Takes about 5 minutes to buy from Go Daddy and have it re-directed to something like savecliftonelementary.org. Just sayin.....
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
DO IT NOW!
()
Date: February 09, 2011 09:41AM
go daddy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Justataxpayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anyone else find it funny that Bradsher's
> campaign
> > site of old now directs to the GoDaddy.com
> hosting
> > service? Check it out yourself at
> > www.lizbradsher.org .
>
> That would likely mean that the domain
> registration has lapsed and it can be purchased by
> anyone. Takes about 5 minutes to buy from Go
> Daddy and have it re-directed to something like
> savecliftonelementary.org. Just sayin.....
OMG! DO IT!
We can post all the pretty pictures of Liz!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Justataxpayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anyone else find it funny that Bradsher's
> campaign
> > site of old now directs to the GoDaddy.com
> hosting
> > service? Check it out yourself at
> > www.lizbradsher.org .
>
> That would likely mean that the domain
> registration has lapsed and it can be purchased by
> anyone. Takes about 5 minutes to buy from Go
> Daddy and have it re-directed to something like
> savecliftonelementary.org. Just sayin.....
OMG! DO IT!
We can post all the pretty pictures of Liz!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not a Clifton alumnus!
()
Date: February 09, 2011 10:29AM
2456345 Wrote:
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> its a lil too late whining abt CES closure, dont u think.
> And, every single word I typed is true.
I do not know about it being true. But almost every word you typed is incorrect.
1) "its"--- Should be "It's"---Capitalize the first letter in a sentence and add an apostrophe
2) "lil"--- Should be "little".
3) "its a lil too late whining"--- Nice sentence structure!
4) "abt"--- I think you mean about.
5) "abt CES closure"--- Shouldn't you add "the" in front of CES?
6) "dont"--- Again, learn how to use an apostrophe!
7) "u"--- The word is "you".
8) "dont u think."--- You are starting a new sentence which is a question. Capitalize the first word. A question mark belongs on the end.
These are just a few of the many mistakes that I found in two short sentences. You obviously did not go to Clifton Elementary!
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> its a lil too late whining abt CES closure, dont u think.
> And, every single word I typed is true.
I do not know about it being true. But almost every word you typed is incorrect.
1) "its"--- Should be "It's"---Capitalize the first letter in a sentence and add an apostrophe
2) "lil"--- Should be "little".
3) "its a lil too late whining"--- Nice sentence structure!
4) "abt"--- I think you mean about.
5) "abt CES closure"--- Shouldn't you add "the" in front of CES?
6) "dont"--- Again, learn how to use an apostrophe!
7) "u"--- The word is "you".
8) "dont u think."--- You are starting a new sentence which is a question. Capitalize the first word. A question mark belongs on the end.
These are just a few of the many mistakes that I found in two short sentences. You obviously did not go to Clifton Elementary!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
science!
()
Date: February 09, 2011 10:45AM
Not a Clifton alumnus! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 2456345 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > its a lil too late whining abt CES closure, dont
> u think.
> > And, every single word I typed is true.
>
>
> I do not know about it being true. But almost
> every word you typed is incorrect.
>
> 1) "its"--- Should be "It's"---Capitalize the
> first letter in a sentence and add an apostrophe
>
> 2) "lil"--- Should be "little".
>
> 3) "its a lil too late whining"--- Nice sentence
> structure!
>
> 4) "abt"--- I think you mean about.
>
> 5) "abt CES closure"--- Shouldn't you add "the"
> in front of CES?
>
> 6) "dont"--- Again, learn how to use an
> apostrophe!
>
> 7) "u"--- The word is "you".
>
> 8) "dont u think."--- You are starting a new
> sentence which is a question. Capitalize the
> first word. A question mark belongs on the end.
>
> These are just a few of the many mistakes that I
> found in two short sentences. You obviously did
> not go to Clifton Elementary!
You missed the unnecessary comma after 'and'. Not that I'm a grammar troll.
-------------------------------------------------------
> 2456345 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > its a lil too late whining abt CES closure, dont
> u think.
> > And, every single word I typed is true.
>
>
> I do not know about it being true. But almost
> every word you typed is incorrect.
>
> 1) "its"--- Should be "It's"---Capitalize the
> first letter in a sentence and add an apostrophe
>
> 2) "lil"--- Should be "little".
>
> 3) "its a lil too late whining"--- Nice sentence
> structure!
>
> 4) "abt"--- I think you mean about.
>
> 5) "abt CES closure"--- Shouldn't you add "the"
> in front of CES?
>
> 6) "dont"--- Again, learn how to use an
> apostrophe!
>
> 7) "u"--- The word is "you".
>
> 8) "dont u think."--- You are starting a new
> sentence which is a question. Capitalize the
> first word. A question mark belongs on the end.
>
> These are just a few of the many mistakes that I
> found in two short sentences. You obviously did
> not go to Clifton Elementary!
You missed the unnecessary comma after 'and'. Not that I'm a grammar troll.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Hiding
()
Date: February 09, 2011 11:26AM
Grossed Out Granny Wrote:
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> So, there are other concerned citizens in the
> county who have asked for Freedom Of Information
> Act data.
>
> Don't be so quick to point your finger, at Clifton
> or anyone else, because you have three pointing
> back at you.
>
> Why doesn't the school system just put the
> information on their website when they respond,
> that way we can all see it, who requested it and
> that school system met the law?
>
> Isn't that pretty simple?
>
> If they make a copy to respond, can't they just
> make a link at the same time?
Good point. What are they hiding? They are so desperate now that they have lobbyists in Richmond using our taxdollars to try and lobby to not have to provide the information. Dying to know WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, there are other concerned citizens in the
> county who have asked for Freedom Of Information
> Act data.
>
> Don't be so quick to point your finger, at Clifton
> or anyone else, because you have three pointing
> back at you.
>
> Why doesn't the school system just put the
> information on their website when they respond,
> that way we can all see it, who requested it and
> that school system met the law?
>
> Isn't that pretty simple?
>
> If they make a copy to respond, can't they just
> make a link at the same time?
Good point. What are they hiding? They are so desperate now that they have lobbyists in Richmond using our taxdollars to try and lobby to not have to provide the information. Dying to know WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
maybe?
()
Date: February 09, 2011 11:32AM
Hiding Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Good point. What are they hiding? They are so
> desperate now that they have lobbyists in Richmond
> using our taxdollars to try and lobby to not have
> to provide the information. Dying to know WHAT
> ARE THEY HIDING?
They all sit there with laptops open during the SB meetings. We've already seen from the e-mails that are out there that Tsidadt was e-mailing them info during the board meeting. I'm betting there are a bunch of one to one e-mails between the board members that are highly embarrasing (like snarky comments about a speaker, either SB or public) or perhaps even rise to the level of violating the open meetings laws in some way.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Good point. What are they hiding? They are so
> desperate now that they have lobbyists in Richmond
> using our taxdollars to try and lobby to not have
> to provide the information. Dying to know WHAT
> ARE THEY HIDING?
They all sit there with laptops open during the SB meetings. We've already seen from the e-mails that are out there that Tsidadt was e-mailing them info during the board meeting. I'm betting there are a bunch of one to one e-mails between the board members that are highly embarrasing (like snarky comments about a speaker, either SB or public) or perhaps even rise to the level of violating the open meetings laws in some way.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Radar the SB
()
Date: February 09, 2011 12:35PM
People speaking received email from SBMs.
While speaking to them.
Talk about rude.
The one chance the public gets to address them and the SBMs can't give 3 minutes of common courtesy?
This SB is unteachable.
They just failed their own SOL.
While speaking to them.
Talk about rude.
The one chance the public gets to address them and the SBMs can't give 3 minutes of common courtesy?
This SB is unteachable.
They just failed their own SOL.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The question
()
Date: February 09, 2011 12:41PM
Why is Dean Tisdadt so extraordinarily chummy with Liz Bradsher? Why are they so determined to have their way?
And still, what is going to become of the land and building if Clifton Elementary closes? Who are the ones that benefit? I find it hard to believe that somebody isn't already planning something that will get them a lot of money and/or power as a result of this.
Transparency is very important in school districts. It's incredibly stupid that some of these people felt they were entitled to act in this way and get away with it--that NO ONE around here would call them on it. They have deluded themselves into thinking they were the sole architects of a "better way."
And still, what is going to become of the land and building if Clifton Elementary closes? Who are the ones that benefit? I find it hard to believe that somebody isn't already planning something that will get them a lot of money and/or power as a result of this.
Transparency is very important in school districts. It's incredibly stupid that some of these people felt they were entitled to act in this way and get away with it--that NO ONE around here would call them on it. They have deluded themselves into thinking they were the sole architects of a "better way."
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
e-mails
()
Date: February 09, 2011 12:43PM
Radar the SB Wrote:
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> People speaking received email from SBMs.
They did? Were they answering questions the speakers asked? I think if they were responding directly via email to the speakers that is good. I would love to hear the comments made by SB members in the e-mails.
-------------------------------------------------------
> People speaking received email from SBMs.
They did? Were they answering questions the speakers asked? I think if they were responding directly via email to the speakers that is good. I would love to hear the comments made by SB members in the e-mails.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
who is this?
()
Date: February 09, 2011 02:45PM
Document Jockey Wrote:
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> FCPS is not out money.
>
> The person requesting the information must pay to
> get it.
>
> FCPS is getting their money. If anything, they are
> making money.
>
> It does not take the many hours they quote to sort
> email and send a copy.
So, who is Joan Talbert from Herndon?
I wonder what she got for $181.
Why the money order?
-------------------------------------------------------
> FCPS is not out money.
>
> The person requesting the information must pay to
> get it.
>
> FCPS is getting their money. If anything, they are
> making money.
>
> It does not take the many hours they quote to sort
> email and send a copy.
So, who is Joan Talbert from Herndon?
I wonder what she got for $181.
Why the money order?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Fulbright Scholar
()
Date: February 09, 2011 03:18PM
e-mails Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Radar the SB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > People speaking received email from SBMs.
>
> They did? Were they answering questions the
> speakers asked? I think if they were responding
> directly via email to the speakers that is good. I
> would love to hear the comments made by SB members
> in the e-mails.
Send in a FOIA!
Fairfax County Public Schools
c/o Paul Regnier
8115 Gatehouse Road
Suite 5100
Falls Church, VA 22042 pregnier@fcps.edu
-------------------------------------------------------
> Radar the SB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > People speaking received email from SBMs.
>
> They did? Were they answering questions the
> speakers asked? I think if they were responding
> directly via email to the speakers that is good. I
> would love to hear the comments made by SB members
> in the e-mails.
Send in a FOIA!
Fairfax County Public Schools
c/o Paul Regnier
8115 Gatehouse Road
Suite 5100
Falls Church, VA 22042 pregnier@fcps.edu
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
taxpayer
()
Date: February 09, 2011 03:30PM
SW Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Well said unbelievable (). The FCPS School Board
> members are not a bunch of idiots - who just are
> out there to screw the county.
>
>
> The boundary changes being proposed are, in most
> part are very logical and phase in over 2-3
> years.
>
> Its only some PTA's ( with their own agenda, we
> all know that) and CES impacted folks who are bent
> on calling this hasty.
>
> The fact is - 50% of the seats in the auditorium
> were empty yesterday. 60%-70% of people who
> bothered to give their feedback, support the
> proposed action.
>
> People are relatively OK with these changes.
>
> The other folks on this board need to face up to
> this fact.
I don't have a stake in this - other than the fact that these POLITICIANS waited too many years to change boundaries, closed needed capacity, and neglected to include responsible locations for GT/AAP.
This is the group building SOCO middle school.
I like the foia'd emails BUT find the editorializing of them annoying. Print them straight and do comments in blue/red footnotes.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Well said unbelievable (). The FCPS School Board
> members are not a bunch of idiots - who just are
> out there to screw the county.
>
>
> The boundary changes being proposed are, in most
> part are very logical and phase in over 2-3
> years.
>
> Its only some PTA's ( with their own agenda, we
> all know that) and CES impacted folks who are bent
> on calling this hasty.
>
> The fact is - 50% of the seats in the auditorium
> were empty yesterday. 60%-70% of people who
> bothered to give their feedback, support the
> proposed action.
>
> People are relatively OK with these changes.
>
> The other folks on this board need to face up to
> this fact.
I don't have a stake in this - other than the fact that these POLITICIANS waited too many years to change boundaries, closed needed capacity, and neglected to include responsible locations for GT/AAP.
This is the group building SOCO middle school.
I like the foia'd emails BUT find the editorializing of them annoying. Print them straight and do comments in blue/red footnotes.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Petition
()
Date: February 09, 2011 04:44PM
Please sign the SW Boundary Study petition today!
A new petition regarding the SW Boundary Study has been started online by a concerned parent from Poplar Tree Elementary in Chantilly.
This petition will be presented to the School Board prior to their vote on the boundary changes on Feb. 24th. Please take a moment to follow the link below and sign the petition. It is free to sign. There is a "requested donation" page that pops up after you add your signature, but you do not need to make a donation in order for your signature to count.
It only takes a moment.
54% of tax revenue for Fairfax County goes directly to FCPS. The proposed boundary changes will cost taxpayers from the entire county over $15 MILLION, and fails to effectively solve the overcrowding. Please sign the petition, and please forward this to everyone you know in Fairfax County. Even if they do not have children in FCPS or live in the SW Region of Fairfax County, every resident of Fairfax County is going to pay for this failure.
"Southwestern Boundary Study Petition"
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/southwesternboundarystudy/
A new petition regarding the SW Boundary Study has been started online by a concerned parent from Poplar Tree Elementary in Chantilly.
This petition will be presented to the School Board prior to their vote on the boundary changes on Feb. 24th. Please take a moment to follow the link below and sign the petition. It is free to sign. There is a "requested donation" page that pops up after you add your signature, but you do not need to make a donation in order for your signature to count.
It only takes a moment.
54% of tax revenue for Fairfax County goes directly to FCPS. The proposed boundary changes will cost taxpayers from the entire county over $15 MILLION, and fails to effectively solve the overcrowding. Please sign the petition, and please forward this to everyone you know in Fairfax County. Even if they do not have children in FCPS or live in the SW Region of Fairfax County, every resident of Fairfax County is going to pay for this failure.
"Southwestern Boundary Study Petition"
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/southwesternboundarystudy/
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Document Jockey
()
Date: February 09, 2011 11:30PM
February 7, 2011 - Public Hearing No. 3 - Southwestern Boundaries
http://www.fcps.edu/DIT/streaming/02-07-11schoolboardmeeting.asx
Gives whole new meaning to "shellacking!" Completely worth viewing.
Have noted that unedited FOIAs are being posted elsewhere, including here:
http://savecliftonelementary.org/FOIA-emails.html
http://www.fcps.edu/DIT/streaming/02-07-11schoolboardmeeting.asx
Gives whole new meaning to "shellacking!" Completely worth viewing.
Have noted that unedited FOIAs are being posted elsewhere, including here:
http://savecliftonelementary.org/FOIA-emails.html
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LykLastSamurai
()
Date: February 09, 2011 11:33PM
This is called using logic:
"The SB will tell you that they have a 65% approval rating for Option D based on the 600 online responses. If that's the case, what the hell happened to Option D, which is drastically different from the recommendation?"
For the few that have posted that the boundary changes make sense, be honest. Your comment stems out of a self-serving motivation because you are one of the 15,000 that were just scared into thinking your kids might be affected by this move and not one of the 2500 it potentially will screw up and split. There's absolutely no sense, no LOGIC and no efficacy in moving boundaries as often as this school board and FCPS are attempting to. Moves are not only disruptive to the children (studies show that even more so the younger the age), but are quirte costly.
And then there is the money issue.....Do you have the slightest idea of where the money authorized by bonds by Fairfax voters has gone? Do you know that the school system absorbs almost 54% of the county budget? Do you know that that county transfer is only 74.7% of the total fcps budget? Their budget surpasses the $2billion mark. That's about $13-14K per student. That's enough to put everyone in brick and mortar schools, but oh wait we have to cover Post employment benefits and the Teacher retirement fund. This model of spending has caused whole states to go bankrupt. Are we going to let this happen to Virginia?
Fairfax County residents need to wake up. Because there is NO logic in having a local government service provider take 54% of your budget to provide a service for only 25% of the population....absolutely absurd.....somewhere the beans are not getting counted and/or mis-used....
just my humble opinion
And oh, btw....mega kudos to Elizabeth Schultz, if the SB had half of her integrity, we wouldn't have this mayhem!
"The SB will tell you that they have a 65% approval rating for Option D based on the 600 online responses. If that's the case, what the hell happened to Option D, which is drastically different from the recommendation?"
For the few that have posted that the boundary changes make sense, be honest. Your comment stems out of a self-serving motivation because you are one of the 15,000 that were just scared into thinking your kids might be affected by this move and not one of the 2500 it potentially will screw up and split. There's absolutely no sense, no LOGIC and no efficacy in moving boundaries as often as this school board and FCPS are attempting to. Moves are not only disruptive to the children (studies show that even more so the younger the age), but are quirte costly.
And then there is the money issue.....Do you have the slightest idea of where the money authorized by bonds by Fairfax voters has gone? Do you know that the school system absorbs almost 54% of the county budget? Do you know that that county transfer is only 74.7% of the total fcps budget? Their budget surpasses the $2billion mark. That's about $13-14K per student. That's enough to put everyone in brick and mortar schools, but oh wait we have to cover Post employment benefits and the Teacher retirement fund. This model of spending has caused whole states to go bankrupt. Are we going to let this happen to Virginia?
Fairfax County residents need to wake up. Because there is NO logic in having a local government service provider take 54% of your budget to provide a service for only 25% of the population....absolutely absurd.....somewhere the beans are not getting counted and/or mis-used....
just my humble opinion
And oh, btw....mega kudos to Elizabeth Schultz, if the SB had half of her integrity, we wouldn't have this mayhem!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LykLastSamurai
()
Date: February 10, 2011 12:14AM
Seriously SW? What are you smoking my friend?
Your comment is transparent. You have no idea what you are talking about and never went to an engagement meeting because if you had you'd have experienced the dissent!People responded to an option (D) which later was completely modified (issued less than 7 days before the hearing).
YOU MUST WORK WITH THIS BUNCH OF INEPT BUREAUCRATS....=(
THEY ARE ILLOGICAL ESPECIALLY IF CES CLOSES. They create a problem where there was none.In doing the boundary study after the CES closure it is obvious that they are trying to "fix" their booboo....
Posted by: Making enemies ()
Date: February 07, 2011 09:47PM
Live Long and Prosper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> All the FOIA requests, while
> interesting and show a lack of decorum by the
> school board are costing the rest of the county
> thousands of taxpayer dollars!
Elizabeth Schultz et al are also making a lot of enemies by posting the FOIA emails here for no other reason but to ridicule. Releasing all the non-school board private citizen email addresses here is an invasion of privacy and a shame. These Clifton people have no concern for the privacy of others.
Call the Schultz's and let them know that what they are doing is wrong!
Cheers!
LIVELONG AND PROSPER & MAKING ENEMIES: don't be surprised if your ph. # shows up here too. Your commentary indicates ignorance of the issue and your behavior is beyond despicable.
Ignorance : the FOIA requests were done to shed light on what many of us knew to be a predetermined/political decision in collusion w/ a larger voting segment.Bradsher just thought we were to stupid to find out. The cost of FOIAs is responsibility of the individual requesting them. The time spent doing this may be tax payer $ but so is their salary. They spend more in useless retreats, administrative expenses than you'll ever realize.
People affected by the western district boundary study spent $120,000 out of THEIR own pockets in an attempt to get justice, only to have it denied by a defective judicial action.
FCPS has been sued more than four times in 4 years. WHY?
FCPS has been dramatically increasing their legal budget every year for 4 years to protect their dramatically increasingly defective actions.
As we speak, the FCPS is back down in Richmond to lobby the legislature to take away even more of the parents and taxpayer rights.
What the FCPS administration is afraid of?
This whole FCPS multiple year charade has only gone to develop frighteningly more powerful county wide coalitions who will no longer be denied.
Despicable: Should any harm come onto any one member of the Schultz family because of you posting their phone, I assure you, I will not be the only one who will make it my job to find you and expose you. We found out the SB's dirty tactics. Don't doubt for a minute that you can remain anonymous in our quest for what is right, just and deserved.This is not a threat it's a promise.
Your comment is transparent. You have no idea what you are talking about and never went to an engagement meeting because if you had you'd have experienced the dissent!People responded to an option (D) which later was completely modified (issued less than 7 days before the hearing).
YOU MUST WORK WITH THIS BUNCH OF INEPT BUREAUCRATS....=(
THEY ARE ILLOGICAL ESPECIALLY IF CES CLOSES. They create a problem where there was none.In doing the boundary study after the CES closure it is obvious that they are trying to "fix" their booboo....
Posted by: Making enemies ()
Date: February 07, 2011 09:47PM
Live Long and Prosper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> All the FOIA requests, while
> interesting and show a lack of decorum by the
> school board are costing the rest of the county
> thousands of taxpayer dollars!
Elizabeth Schultz et al are also making a lot of enemies by posting the FOIA emails here for no other reason but to ridicule. Releasing all the non-school board private citizen email addresses here is an invasion of privacy and a shame. These Clifton people have no concern for the privacy of others.
Call the Schultz's and let them know that what they are doing is wrong!
Cheers!
LIVELONG AND PROSPER & MAKING ENEMIES: don't be surprised if your ph. # shows up here too. Your commentary indicates ignorance of the issue and your behavior is beyond despicable.
Ignorance : the FOIA requests were done to shed light on what many of us knew to be a predetermined/political decision in collusion w/ a larger voting segment.Bradsher just thought we were to stupid to find out. The cost of FOIAs is responsibility of the individual requesting them. The time spent doing this may be tax payer $ but so is their salary. They spend more in useless retreats, administrative expenses than you'll ever realize.
People affected by the western district boundary study spent $120,000 out of THEIR own pockets in an attempt to get justice, only to have it denied by a defective judicial action.
FCPS has been sued more than four times in 4 years. WHY?
FCPS has been dramatically increasing their legal budget every year for 4 years to protect their dramatically increasingly defective actions.
As we speak, the FCPS is back down in Richmond to lobby the legislature to take away even more of the parents and taxpayer rights.
What the FCPS administration is afraid of?
This whole FCPS multiple year charade has only gone to develop frighteningly more powerful county wide coalitions who will no longer be denied.
Despicable: Should any harm come onto any one member of the Schultz family because of you posting their phone, I assure you, I will not be the only one who will make it my job to find you and expose you. We found out the SB's dirty tactics. Don't doubt for a minute that you can remain anonymous in our quest for what is right, just and deserved.This is not a threat it's a promise.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Grossed Out Granny
()
Date: February 10, 2011 12:54AM
I note that none of the "pro=FCPS" posts agreed with the idea of the school system just putting up a link to all the information they send in response to a Freedom Of Information Act letter from the public.
Why can't this be done simply and that way FCPS will prove they are completely obeying the law?
This just seems like common sense and good service to the public.
It would also seem that it might lower costs, as the more information that is available publicly the fewer requests will be in the future.
In all the comments, it seems like Elizabeth Schultz was the only one brave enough to post her own name (I, for one, am afraid to do that!). She seems pretty brave.
The terrible posts would not make your Granny's happy.
Why can't this be done simply and that way FCPS will prove they are completely obeying the law?
This just seems like common sense and good service to the public.
It would also seem that it might lower costs, as the more information that is available publicly the fewer requests will be in the future.
In all the comments, it seems like Elizabeth Schultz was the only one brave enough to post her own name (I, for one, am afraid to do that!). She seems pretty brave.
The terrible posts would not make your Granny's happy.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Say WHAT?!
()
Date: February 10, 2011 02:04AM
Heard she was back in rare form at the boundary study public hearing!
Here is your moment of Zen:
Attachments:
Here is your moment of Zen:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
StopComplaining
()
Date: February 10, 2011 05:07AM
Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> > StopComplaining Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------
> -
> If you are a Democrat and do not want Liz
> Bradsher to receive the Democratic endorsement,
> stop complaining on Fairfax Underground and take 2
> minutes to write an email to the Fairfax County
> Democratic Committee and voice your opinion that
> she should not be endorsed as a Democrat. Here is
> the contact list for the Democratic Committee.
>
> http://fairfaxdemocrats.org/about/contact<;
>
> Venting here is cathartic. So feel free to
> continue and since FCDC doesn't meet again until
> March 22 and the first action will be a vote to
> recommend by the Springfield District Democratic
> Committee, focus your e-mails on this addresses:
>
> springfield@fairfaxdemocrats.org
-------------------------------------------------------
> > StopComplaining Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------
> -
> If you are a Democrat and do not want Liz
> Bradsher to receive the Democratic endorsement,
> stop complaining on Fairfax Underground and take 2
> minutes to write an email to the Fairfax County
> Democratic Committee and voice your opinion that
> she should not be endorsed as a Democrat. Here is
> the contact list for the Democratic Committee.
>
> http://fairfaxdemocrats.org/about/contact<;
>
> Venting here is cathartic. So feel free to
> continue and since FCDC doesn't meet again until
> March 22 and the first action will be a vote to
> recommend by the Springfield District Democratic
> Committee, focus your e-mails on this addresses:
>
> springfield@fairfaxdemocrats.org
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
seeker of truth
()
Date: February 10, 2011 09:31AM
Thanks for your suggestion.....regarding Bradsher's application to the Democratic Committee
Does the writer need to be a registered Democrat?
Does the writer need to be a registered Democrat?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FCPS Spy Guy
()
Date: February 10, 2011 06:44PM
omg whut? Wrote:
> You must be on crack cocaine
>
> What a flagrant lie.
Oh, Dean Tistadt - so nice to see you trolling on FFU, you bottom-feeder.
What, no new material? The slinging crack cocaine accusations bit is getting tiresome.
Is that your dirty little secret, among others?
If only those anti-theft cameras designed to pick off kids in poverty
grabbing a bagel were trained other places in schools, we'd have even more "FCPS Gone Wild" to post on this thread, right?
> You must be on crack cocaine
>
> What a flagrant lie.
Oh, Dean Tistadt - so nice to see you trolling on FFU, you bottom-feeder.
What, no new material? The slinging crack cocaine accusations bit is getting tiresome.
Is that your dirty little secret, among others?
If only those anti-theft cameras designed to pick off kids in poverty
grabbing a bagel were trained other places in schools, we'd have even more "FCPS Gone Wild" to post on this thread, right?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: February 10, 2011 11:24PM
seeker of truth Wrote:
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> Thanks for your suggestion.....regarding Bradsher's application to the Democratic Committee<
>
> Does the writer need to be a registered Democrat?<
We don't register by party in Va.
But if you've voted in Democratic Primaries like for President in '08, do mention it in your e-mail.
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> Thanks for your suggestion.....regarding Bradsher's application to the Democratic Committee<
>
> Does the writer need to be a registered Democrat?<
We don't register by party in Va.
But if you've voted in Democratic Primaries like for President in '08, do mention it in your e-mail.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Observant Eye
()
Date: February 11, 2011 11:04AM
In trying to be clear about what happened to set the boundary study, how could the planning phase group decide in March of 2010 going in that Clifton should be closed and not a part of the solution to help solve the boundary issues?
Trying to look objectively, but it seems like the agenda was set before the decision was made, even in the planning phase.
Attachments:
Trying to look objectively, but it seems like the agenda was set before the decision was made, even in the planning phase.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bob is a twit
()
Date: February 11, 2011 03:57PM
Let's close Bob's school and see how EMOTIONAL he is!!
What a first class jerk.
As far as the question on why Clifton was eliminated early on....can you imagine one of the options being Keep Clifton open?
Of course everyone would have voted for that and then FCPS and snake in the grass Bradsher would have to explain why they went against the community's advice.
Their tactic was give 4 crappy options and have the public vote on THE LEAST WORST. Not the best-THE LEAST WORST.
Now they can say..."Look the public supports OPTION STUPID!".
Aren't we blessed to have these people running our schools?
What a first class jerk.
As far as the question on why Clifton was eliminated early on....can you imagine one of the options being Keep Clifton open?
Of course everyone would have voted for that and then FCPS and snake in the grass Bradsher would have to explain why they went against the community's advice.
Their tactic was give 4 crappy options and have the public vote on THE LEAST WORST. Not the best-THE LEAST WORST.
Now they can say..."Look the public supports OPTION STUPID!".
Aren't we blessed to have these people running our schools?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: February 11, 2011 04:05PM
http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2011/02/10/fairfax-schools-complain-about-following-foia-law/
Fairfax Schools complain about following FOIA law
By Mark Brooks
Elizabeth Schultz just wanted to find out information about a school that had been going to be renovated. The same school turned up listed for closure later, to the surprise of almost everyone. Clifton Elementary, in the Fairfax Public Schools system, is the school in question. She was concerned about decisions being made, and didn’t get satisfaction in asking the school system the questions she had. Ms. Schultz was surprised when the estimate for the information she asked for in a FOIA request came back at $624,000.
The request was revised and resubmitted to the schools administration. (In the comments following the Washington Post article about this situation is an entry by Ms. Schultz which tries to set straight the mistakes made by the author, which as of Wednesday night had been unaddressed. More on this later. I urge everyone to read the comments.)
The crux of the issue here is the requirement of public bodies (in this case, Fairfax Schools) to abide by the requirements of the Virginia Code (§2.2-3700), otherwise known as the Virginia Freedom of Information Act. The school administration claims in the article that 20,000 hours of work looking through 40,000 emails, at $31.00 an hour would be needed to fulfill the request. The complaints of the School Board are that it takes too much time and too many work hours to accomplish this.
In my dealings with local public bodies, both the Board of Supervisors and the School Board have been anywhere from horrible to lukewarm in their fulfillment of requests I and others have made of them. In all these dealings, years worth, I have never seen a figure like $31.00 per hour. There is no FOIA requirement to use a lesser paid employee, but boards and citizens are supposed to work together, at least in theory.
A point I would like to make here is that each public body is allowed by law, to charge for the information you or I request. The public body is constrained to only the actual cost of the time involved looking for and gathering the information, and copying it or printing it out. This would seem to run counter to the Fairfax School Board’s complaints about how much it costs to fulfill a citizen’s request.
“The law is unrealistic right now,†said Elizabeth T. Bradsher, a School Board member who represents Springfield. “It’s hampering the business of the school district. We don’t have the employees to handle the surge. . . . It’s crippling the system.†The school district’s allusion to the ballooning costs of processing FOIA requests – which officials called “substantial†but declined to quantify – is not embodied in any particular bill. But it is an issue that the district’s director of government relations, Michael Molloy, has taken with him to Richmond this year.
The School Board also has up to 12 days as a matter of course to produce what was asked for before they are required to go to court to ask for more time, and additional time within that 12 days to handle large requests.
The School Board in Cumberland County, at my request, has agreed that the amount they have charged for years is actually far above the actual cost. I am talking about the per page copying cost. Their cost has been $.35 per page, whether copied on a photocopier or out of a computer on a piece of paper. Their coming meeting in February will see a new policy in it’s first reading. The new cost per page? It will be $.15.
The Fairfax Board, according to this account, is complaining that it is just too hard, too time consuming to do the work required by law. I don’t live in Fairfax, and I have no opinion about what they should do with their schools. But this behavior detailed in the article, smacks of privilege and power unchecked.
And now, as promised, a few words about the author of this piece in the Washington Post, Kevin Sieff. I don’t like bashing people just for the hell of it. I will always give someone the benefit of the doubt. This goes for the traditional press as well as individuals. However, there are several things wrong with this article from my standpoint. The author seems to unnecessarily side with the Fairfax School Board in this article.
It is troubling because a subject like FOIA deserves a rational, well reasoned look, not an ignorance of the subject almost entirely. I don’t know the author, have never read any other of his articles. But I do know the FOIA law inside and out, and this wonderful tool, really the only tool citizens have to watch what really happens in our government, deserves to be given equal time in situations just like this. If the author knew that citizens pay through the nose sometimes (and he should, based on the $624,000 estimate) just to see what is really going on in our government, he would have (I hope) countered the quoted statements by officials which makes it seem as if the schools are having to do all this on their own dime.
The solution to this is real penalties, something not seen very often. The law provides for them, and they should be levied in order to get the word out that actions have consequences. It must be said that citizens do abuse the system sometimes. It is certainly the exception rather than the rule in my opinion.
In this case, the School Board’s inaction has brought them these troubles. The citizens will get the information, either in court, or as a result of Fairfax Schools doing the right thing and quitting the griping about doing their jobs. When contacted Tuesday evening about the article and its shortcomings, the author wrote back almost immediately and said, “I’m working to resolve this.â€
We’ll see. Doubtless the parents have contacted him as well.
Fairfax Schools complain about following FOIA law
By Mark Brooks
Elizabeth Schultz just wanted to find out information about a school that had been going to be renovated. The same school turned up listed for closure later, to the surprise of almost everyone. Clifton Elementary, in the Fairfax Public Schools system, is the school in question. She was concerned about decisions being made, and didn’t get satisfaction in asking the school system the questions she had. Ms. Schultz was surprised when the estimate for the information she asked for in a FOIA request came back at $624,000.
The request was revised and resubmitted to the schools administration. (In the comments following the Washington Post article about this situation is an entry by Ms. Schultz which tries to set straight the mistakes made by the author, which as of Wednesday night had been unaddressed. More on this later. I urge everyone to read the comments.)
The crux of the issue here is the requirement of public bodies (in this case, Fairfax Schools) to abide by the requirements of the Virginia Code (§2.2-3700), otherwise known as the Virginia Freedom of Information Act. The school administration claims in the article that 20,000 hours of work looking through 40,000 emails, at $31.00 an hour would be needed to fulfill the request. The complaints of the School Board are that it takes too much time and too many work hours to accomplish this.
In my dealings with local public bodies, both the Board of Supervisors and the School Board have been anywhere from horrible to lukewarm in their fulfillment of requests I and others have made of them. In all these dealings, years worth, I have never seen a figure like $31.00 per hour. There is no FOIA requirement to use a lesser paid employee, but boards and citizens are supposed to work together, at least in theory.
A point I would like to make here is that each public body is allowed by law, to charge for the information you or I request. The public body is constrained to only the actual cost of the time involved looking for and gathering the information, and copying it or printing it out. This would seem to run counter to the Fairfax School Board’s complaints about how much it costs to fulfill a citizen’s request.
“The law is unrealistic right now,†said Elizabeth T. Bradsher, a School Board member who represents Springfield. “It’s hampering the business of the school district. We don’t have the employees to handle the surge. . . . It’s crippling the system.†The school district’s allusion to the ballooning costs of processing FOIA requests – which officials called “substantial†but declined to quantify – is not embodied in any particular bill. But it is an issue that the district’s director of government relations, Michael Molloy, has taken with him to Richmond this year.
The School Board also has up to 12 days as a matter of course to produce what was asked for before they are required to go to court to ask for more time, and additional time within that 12 days to handle large requests.
The School Board in Cumberland County, at my request, has agreed that the amount they have charged for years is actually far above the actual cost. I am talking about the per page copying cost. Their cost has been $.35 per page, whether copied on a photocopier or out of a computer on a piece of paper. Their coming meeting in February will see a new policy in it’s first reading. The new cost per page? It will be $.15.
The Fairfax Board, according to this account, is complaining that it is just too hard, too time consuming to do the work required by law. I don’t live in Fairfax, and I have no opinion about what they should do with their schools. But this behavior detailed in the article, smacks of privilege and power unchecked.
And now, as promised, a few words about the author of this piece in the Washington Post, Kevin Sieff. I don’t like bashing people just for the hell of it. I will always give someone the benefit of the doubt. This goes for the traditional press as well as individuals. However, there are several things wrong with this article from my standpoint. The author seems to unnecessarily side with the Fairfax School Board in this article.
It is troubling because a subject like FOIA deserves a rational, well reasoned look, not an ignorance of the subject almost entirely. I don’t know the author, have never read any other of his articles. But I do know the FOIA law inside and out, and this wonderful tool, really the only tool citizens have to watch what really happens in our government, deserves to be given equal time in situations just like this. If the author knew that citizens pay through the nose sometimes (and he should, based on the $624,000 estimate) just to see what is really going on in our government, he would have (I hope) countered the quoted statements by officials which makes it seem as if the schools are having to do all this on their own dime.
The solution to this is real penalties, something not seen very often. The law provides for them, and they should be levied in order to get the word out that actions have consequences. It must be said that citizens do abuse the system sometimes. It is certainly the exception rather than the rule in my opinion.
In this case, the School Board’s inaction has brought them these troubles. The citizens will get the information, either in court, or as a result of Fairfax Schools doing the right thing and quitting the griping about doing their jobs. When contacted Tuesday evening about the article and its shortcomings, the author wrote back almost immediately and said, “I’m working to resolve this.â€
We’ll see. Doubtless the parents have contacted him as well.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
big fat liars
()
Date: February 11, 2011 05:13PM
I did not see an actual number of FOIAs that were processed-did FCPS give a figure?
They hinted that there was an explosive increase and they are just understaffed and unable to deal with so many requests.
Would someone at FCPS PLEASE give us a number?
According to FCPS detailed program budgets these are the number of FOIAs processed in the last three years:
1 year ending 9/30/2007 124
1 yesr ending 9/30/2008 149
1 year ending 9/30/2009 132
I would like to know the number thru 9/30/2010......anyone?
They hinted that there was an explosive increase and they are just understaffed and unable to deal with so many requests.
Would someone at FCPS PLEASE give us a number?
According to FCPS detailed program budgets these are the number of FOIAs processed in the last three years:
1 year ending 9/30/2007 124
1 yesr ending 9/30/2008 149
1 year ending 9/30/2009 132
I would like to know the number thru 9/30/2010......anyone?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Super Big Fat Liars
()
Date: February 11, 2011 08:46PM
Agreed - a bunch of big fat liars - burning stacks of taxpayer moola at the same time they go cryin' like a bunch of weenies to the BoS for even more dollars.
PUT THE FOIA MATERIALS ON-LINE
They say by this that they have been legally on-time 100% of the time.
Prove it.
FY2010 FOIA Requests –
148 received, 130 processed on-time, 18 estimated fees declined
PUT THE FOIA MATERIALS ON-LINE
They say by this that they have been legally on-time 100% of the time.
Prove it.
FY2010 FOIA Requests –
148 received, 130 processed on-time, 18 estimated fees declined
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mathalicious
()
Date: February 11, 2011 08:59PM
173,573 students / 40,000 employees per the Washington Post article means FCPS has bloated to 4 1/3 employees in the county for every single student.
Jack Dale could cut no fat.
His Board could make no lean.
And so betwixt the two of them
They picked your pockets clean.
Membership by Grade Level:
Kindergarten 11,829
Grade 1 12,471
Grade 2 12,188
Grade 3 12,084
Grade 4 12,121
Grade 5 12,038
Grade 6 11,983
Grade 7 11,833
Grade 8 11,568
Grade 9 12,148
Grade 10 11,879
Grade 11 11,928
Grade 12 11,507
Subtotal 155,577
Special Ed. Level 2 and Preschool 14,411
FECEP 1,288
Alternative 2,297
TOTAL 173,573
Jack Dale could cut no fat.
His Board could make no lean.
And so betwixt the two of them
They picked your pockets clean.
Membership by Grade Level:
Kindergarten 11,829
Grade 1 12,471
Grade 2 12,188
Grade 3 12,084
Grade 4 12,121
Grade 5 12,038
Grade 6 11,983
Grade 7 11,833
Grade 8 11,568
Grade 9 12,148
Grade 10 11,879
Grade 11 11,928
Grade 12 11,507
Subtotal 155,577
Special Ed. Level 2 and Preschool 14,411
FECEP 1,288
Alternative 2,297
TOTAL 173,573
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Huntin'Wabbits
()
Date: February 11, 2011 09:24PM
I'll work for half that, triple their output and still make out like a king.
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Lied to LRR too
()
Date: February 11, 2011 11:57PM
Save the Date!
November 8th
Party at Gatehouse
_____________________________________________________________
Attachments:
November 8th
Party at Gatehouse
_____________________________________________________________
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FOIA Data
()
Date: February 12, 2011 12:40AM
Let's summarize......
FCPS says they are inundated with FOIAs and don't have the staff even though they charge people for them.
2009 FOIAs processed 132
2010 FOIAs processes 130
Ok, let me whip out my handy dandy calculator for this one.
132 minus 130 equals 2 fewer in 2010 than in 2009.
Damn, how did staff handle all those?
FCPS says they are inundated with FOIAs and don't have the staff even though they charge people for them.
2009 FOIAs processed 132
2010 FOIAs processes 130
Ok, let me whip out my handy dandy calculator for this one.
132 minus 130 equals 2 fewer in 2010 than in 2009.
Damn, how did staff handle all those?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
always lie
()
Date: February 12, 2011 03:43PM
So nice to know who is running our schools-what a dishonest bunch. Is there anything that they are truthful about? They tell The Post that they are overburdened by FOIAs when they haven't increased in the last 3 years.
How many people work in that communications department anyways? 20?
At least the FOIAs give them something to do all day.
How many people work in that communications department anyways? 20?
At least the FOIAs give them something to do all day.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: February 12, 2011 04:21PM
Lied to LRR too Wrote:
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> Save the Date!
>
> November 8th
>
> Party at Gatehouse
>
> __________________________________________________
> ___________
Who will the candidates be?
--
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight
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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
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> Save the Date!
>
> November 8th
>
> Party at Gatehouse
>
> __________________________________________________
> ___________
Who will the candidates be?
--
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight
-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bradsher's Main Man?
()
Date: February 12, 2011 06:05PM
Dane Bramage Wrote:
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> Lied to LRR too Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Save the Date!
> >
> > November 8th
> >
> > Party at Gatehouse
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________
>
> > ___________
>
> Who will the candidates be?
>
>Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda — worse for our society. It’s as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was. — Keith Olbermann
LMFAO! Keith Olbermann and Jack Dale. An unintended connection, but too good to pass up.
Just about par for the course, these two. Let's just hope both stories have the same ending.
Jack Dale's version:
The public and advocates have really hurt us, but not as much as the Board of Supervisors has hurt us particularly in the case of their opinions. The Board of Supervisors' opinions are worse than Al Qaeda — worse for our society. They as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was.
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> Lied to LRR too Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Save the Date!
> >
> > November 8th
> >
> > Party at Gatehouse
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________
>
> > ___________
>
> Who will the candidates be?
>
>Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda — worse for our society. It’s as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was. — Keith Olbermann
LMFAO! Keith Olbermann and Jack Dale. An unintended connection, but too good to pass up.
Just about par for the course, these two. Let's just hope both stories have the same ending.
Jack Dale's version:
The public and advocates have really hurt us, but not as much as the Board of Supervisors has hurt us particularly in the case of their opinions. The Board of Supervisors' opinions are worse than Al Qaeda — worse for our society. They as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Molly Corbin
()
Date: February 12, 2011 06:22PM
1 year ending 9/30/2007 = 124
1 year ending 9/30/2008 = 149
1 year ending 9/30/2009 = 132
1 year ending 9/30/2010 = 130
Sued 2008
Sued 2009
Sued 2010
Sued 2011
Given these stats, seems like the public has shown remarkable restraint.
Wouldn't it be great to know how much money they have collected? Who knows if that information is available and where?
And the Department of Communications and Community Outreach {public relations management} has around 36 employees. Worthy of an NYC marketing firm.
1 year ending 9/30/2008 = 149
1 year ending 9/30/2009 = 132
1 year ending 9/30/2010 = 130
Sued 2008
Sued 2009
Sued 2010
Sued 2011
Given these stats, seems like the public has shown remarkable restraint.
Wouldn't it be great to know how much money they have collected? Who knows if that information is available and where?
And the Department of Communications and Community Outreach {public relations management} has around 36 employees. Worthy of an NYC marketing firm.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
UMES 'rents
()
Date: February 12, 2011 11:21PM
Will this woman stop at nothing?
Are they bringing all the CES kids to UMES just to set us up for a school on Union Mill Road anyway?
Widen the road? Can you believe this is how she has handled our concerns about traffic on the stretch of Union Mill?
Attachments:
Are they bringing all the CES kids to UMES just to set us up for a school on Union Mill Road anyway?
Widen the road? Can you believe this is how she has handled our concerns about traffic on the stretch of Union Mill?
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
u are right
()
Date: February 13, 2011 07:50AM
Pretty unprofessional on FCPS' part. LOL and a smiley face? They should hire more engineers, and less of these folk. If you bring more traffic to Union Mill, esp. via widening, you are just asking for more accidents down Compton (even curvier, and several young kids have lost their lives on that one, as well as on Union Mill) and Twin Lakes (very scary - and cyclists take this one often) - several blind curves, no shoulders.
Not to mention some of the grisly accidents that I've seen at the intersection of Braddock, New Braddock, and Union Mill. I think the hill down from New Braddock just encourages people to beat the amber. These streets just weren't meant for this kind of traffic, and increasing the size of the schools will only make it worse. Evidently, FCPS and the BOS don't really care.
Not to mention some of the grisly accidents that I've seen at the intersection of Braddock, New Braddock, and Union Mill. I think the hill down from New Braddock just encourages people to beat the amber. These streets just weren't meant for this kind of traffic, and increasing the size of the schools will only make it worse. Evidently, FCPS and the BOS don't really care.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SuperGlue
()
Date: February 13, 2011 10:46AM
So who does Payton Onk work for? Is it Herrity or Albo? However it is, with a-holes like this working for them, they've lost my vote.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Unfriendly Booster
()
Date: February 13, 2011 07:54PM
Screams at parents on the phone.
Screams at kids.
Screams at elected officials.
Disparages people in the community.
Disparages PTA Presidents and members.
Disparages fellow School Board members.
Colludes to get Clifton closed.
Colludes to get capital improvement queue moved around.
Bradsher is not our friend either.
Boosters Beware.
Do you think you could assist me with planning a meeting with Bill
Curran and area HS Booster Reps. In the past I have had meetings with
these Reps on the Athletic Fee. Since it is Budget time I thought it
might be a good time to reassess the budget as it relates to these fees
with the Booster Reps. Deb kept a file of email and names for this
meeting. I think it is somewhere in that office!
Call and we can discuss further. I copied Bill on this as well.
Many thanks,
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Melanie Turpin, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Screams at kids.
Screams at elected officials.
Disparages people in the community.
Disparages PTA Presidents and members.
Disparages fellow School Board members.
Colludes to get Clifton closed.
Colludes to get capital improvement queue moved around.
Bradsher is not our friend either.
Boosters Beware.
Do you think you could assist me with planning a meeting with Bill
Curran and area HS Booster Reps. In the past I have had meetings with
these Reps on the Athletic Fee. Since it is Budget time I thought it
might be a good time to reassess the budget as it relates to these fees
with the Booster Reps. Deb kept a file of email and names for this
meeting. I think it is somewhere in that office!
Call and we can discuss further. I copied Bill on this as well.
Many thanks,
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Melanie Turpin, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To: Liz Bradsher and J.Dale
()
Date: February 13, 2011 08:22PM
The post article shows your true colors about how you treat kids under your care in FCPS. We have always had to sign our kids rights away to go FCPS.
You now all have blood on your hands.
I think you should give up now. Resign please. You will do the county a big favor.
You now all have blood on your hands.
I think you should give up now. Resign please. You will do the county a big favor.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Best Question Ever!
()
Date: February 14, 2011 01:05AM
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/faq.pdf
Seventy-five pages of questions so far; not 75 questions - 75 PAGES of questions.
Best?
"Posted January 4, 2011
1. Why in the world would anyone believe anything that FCPS writes or says???
Thank you for your comment."
Seventy-five pages of questions so far; not 75 questions - 75 PAGES of questions.
Best?
"Posted January 4, 2011
1. Why in the world would anyone believe anything that FCPS writes or says???
Thank you for your comment."
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Shut Your Yap
()
Date: February 14, 2011 01:17AM
e-mails Wrote:
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> Radar the SB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > People speaking received email from SBMs.
>
> They did? Were they answering questions the
> speakers asked? I think if they were responding
> directly via email to the speakers that is good. I
> would love to hear the comments made by SB members
> in the e-mails.
SHUT UP, Liz.
You are such a dimwit, you still haven't figured out we know when you post.
We are never going to let you in. You will not weasel your politically infected self into our party.
The Republicans already made that mistake and look what it got them.
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> Radar the SB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > People speaking received email from SBMs.
>
> They did? Were they answering questions the
> speakers asked? I think if they were responding
> directly via email to the speakers that is good. I
> would love to hear the comments made by SB members
> in the e-mails.
SHUT UP, Liz.
You are such a dimwit, you still haven't figured out we know when you post.
We are never going to let you in. You will not weasel your politically infected self into our party.
The Republicans already made that mistake and look what it got them.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: February 14, 2011 11:48PM
Here's another one to add to Liz's list....
In the School Board work session today she spoke of a "certain supervisor (read as Fairfax County Board of Supervisors member) who continues to spread misinformation about the SW County Boundary study". She went on to say that she, Cathy Smith and Tessie Wilson were continuing to belay the concerns of their constituents on behalf of the School Board and convey accurate information to the public.
Well Liz, Tessie and Cathy, here are two pertinent questions for you, who is the supervisor and what is inaccurate about what they were saying in public? Care to share in public or have you not learned that the people's business should be carried out in a public manner? Hope that multi-million dollar PRmachine at Gatehouseis helping you.....someone should benefit from that investment.
Oh, and one other thing, planning interior modifications that require funds from the capital budget without telling the taxpayers about it isn't transparency. Fairview was on the list to receive interior modifications to the tune of $1M. What's it going to cost for Oak View, Virginia Run and Union Mill now on top of the already $15M?
In the School Board work session today she spoke of a "certain supervisor (read as Fairfax County Board of Supervisors member) who continues to spread misinformation about the SW County Boundary study". She went on to say that she, Cathy Smith and Tessie Wilson were continuing to belay the concerns of their constituents on behalf of the School Board and convey accurate information to the public.
Well Liz, Tessie and Cathy, here are two pertinent questions for you, who is the supervisor and what is inaccurate about what they were saying in public? Care to share in public or have you not learned that the people's business should be carried out in a public manner? Hope that multi-million dollar PRmachine at Gatehouseis helping you.....someone should benefit from that investment.
Oh, and one other thing, planning interior modifications that require funds from the capital budget without telling the taxpayers about it isn't transparency. Fairview was on the list to receive interior modifications to the tune of $1M. What's it going to cost for Oak View, Virginia Run and Union Mill now on top of the already $15M?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
PoorRichard
()
Date: February 15, 2011 12:00PM
To: Liz Bradsher and J.Dale Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The post article shows your true colors about how
> you treat kids under your care in FCPS. We have
> always had to sign our kids rights away to go
> FCPS.
>
> You now all have blood on your hands.
>
> I think you should give up now. Resign please. You
> will do the county a big favor.
More FCPS burning of your money
http://www.fcps.edu/legupdate/ga.htm
FCPS paid lobbyists in Richmond killed this bill yesterday so school system doesn't have to let you known when they discipline your kid. Even if your kid is about to be suspended or be turned over to the court.
Bradsher is only part of the corruption. A whole culture of corruption. Better be ready to throw out more than her to do any good.
HB 1548 Parental notification
More Bill ID:2011 House Bill 1548
Parental notification; school board policy violations. Requires the school principal to notify the parents of a student who violates a school board policy or the compulsory school attendance requirements when such violation could result in the student's suspension or the filing of a court petition, or when such violation is entered into the student's scholastic record.
Only supporter: Howell, Janet D. 32 D (804) 698-7532 (703) 709-8283 SenHowell@aol.com
Agreed with FCPS lobbying against parental rights:
Senator Harry B. Blevins 14 R (804) 698-7514 (757) 546-2435 blevins@verizon.net
Senator Mamie E. Locke 2 D (804) 698-7502 (757) 825-5880 SenLocke02@msn.com
Senator John C. Miller 1 D (804) 698-7501 (757) 595-1100 district01@senate.virginia.gov
Senator Frank M. Ruff, Jr. 15 R (804) 698-7515 (434) 374-5129 district15@senate.virginia.gov
-------------------------------------------------------
> The post article shows your true colors about how
> you treat kids under your care in FCPS. We have
> always had to sign our kids rights away to go
> FCPS.
>
> You now all have blood on your hands.
>
> I think you should give up now. Resign please. You
> will do the county a big favor.
More FCPS burning of your money
http://www.fcps.edu/legupdate/ga.htm
FCPS paid lobbyists in Richmond killed this bill yesterday so school system doesn't have to let you known when they discipline your kid. Even if your kid is about to be suspended or be turned over to the court.
Bradsher is only part of the corruption. A whole culture of corruption. Better be ready to throw out more than her to do any good.
HB 1548 Parental notification
More Bill ID:2011 House Bill 1548
Parental notification; school board policy violations. Requires the school principal to notify the parents of a student who violates a school board policy or the compulsory school attendance requirements when such violation could result in the student's suspension or the filing of a court petition, or when such violation is entered into the student's scholastic record.
Only supporter: Howell, Janet D. 32 D (804) 698-7532 (703) 709-8283 SenHowell@aol.com
Agreed with FCPS lobbying against parental rights:
Senator Harry B. Blevins 14 R (804) 698-7514 (757) 546-2435 blevins@verizon.net
Senator Mamie E. Locke 2 D (804) 698-7502 (757) 825-5880 SenLocke02@msn.com
Senator John C. Miller 1 D (804) 698-7501 (757) 595-1100 district01@senate.virginia.gov
Senator Frank M. Ruff, Jr. 15 R (804) 698-7515 (434) 374-5129 district15@senate.virginia.gov
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Tistadt & Bradsher
()
Date: February 15, 2011 10:09PM
Tistadt & Bradsher
sittin' in a tree
K-i-l-l-eh-ehn-g
Clifton El-e-men-ta-ry.
From: "Tistadt, Dean"
To: "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)"
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 08:08:47 -0400
Subject: RE: Note
Thanks for sharing. I may have to put Doug on suicide watch if he has to spend any more time with these folks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:07 AM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject: Note
Keeping you in the constant loop!
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-----Original Message-----
From: charlie.t.rau@exxonmobil.com [mailto:charlie.t.rau@exxonmobil.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:56 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Cc: charliet@cox.net
Subject: CES Water
Liz; FYI, as a rep of the Clifton Subcommittee I had a productive
discussion Monday afternoon with Doug O'Neill on the Clifton Elementary
well water update that had been posted by FCPS Staff to the SouthWest
Community Engagement Committee section on the FCPS website on April 14.
One summary take-away of mine from reading of that update was
reinforced today == that the well water treatment system recommended in
that update could be expected to have every reason to succeed, although
would ultimately need full vetting through a pilot application.
That continuing well water option may become more pertinent as I
understand from Dwayne Nitz (whom Tom Peterson evidently invited to your
Public Water meeting on Friday) that there is more development work on that
option than may have seemed to have been the case.
I'd be interested in your fundamental reaction to your Friday meeting
-- especially if there is anything that I / we can be doing to help move
things along.
Thanks for all of your continuing attention to our school.
Charlie T. Rau
charliet@cox.net
703-815-4440 or 703-846-7073
sittin' in a tree
K-i-l-l-eh-ehn-g
Clifton El-e-men-ta-ry.
From: "Tistadt, Dean"
To: "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)"
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 08:08:47 -0400
Subject: RE: Note
Thanks for sharing. I may have to put Doug on suicide watch if he has to spend any more time with these folks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:07 AM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject: Note
Keeping you in the constant loop!
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-----Original Message-----
From: charlie.t.rau@exxonmobil.com [mailto:charlie.t.rau@exxonmobil.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:56 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Cc: charliet@cox.net
Subject: CES Water
Liz; FYI, as a rep of the Clifton Subcommittee I had a productive
discussion Monday afternoon with Doug O'Neill on the Clifton Elementary
well water update that had been posted by FCPS Staff to the SouthWest
Community Engagement Committee section on the FCPS website on April 14.
One summary take-away of mine from reading of that update was
reinforced today == that the well water treatment system recommended in
that update could be expected to have every reason to succeed, although
would ultimately need full vetting through a pilot application.
That continuing well water option may become more pertinent as I
understand from Dwayne Nitz (whom Tom Peterson evidently invited to your
Public Water meeting on Friday) that there is more development work on that
option than may have seemed to have been the case.
I'd be interested in your fundamental reaction to your Friday meeting
-- especially if there is anything that I / we can be doing to help move
things along.
Thanks for all of your continuing attention to our school.
Charlie T. Rau
charliet@cox.net
703-815-4440 or 703-846-7073
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Crapamonga
()
Date: February 15, 2011 10:14PM
From: "Tistadt, Dean"
To: "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)" ,
"'Bulova, Sharon S.'"
CC: "''David.Bulova@AMEC.com'" <'David.Bulova@AMEC.com>
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:41:05 -0400
Subject: RE: Clifton ES
Attached is our most recent water treatment study. I would welcome any and all thoughts or suggestions from David.
Thanks.
Dean
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:26 PM
To: 'Bulova, Sharon S.'
Cc: ''David.Bulova@AMEC.com'; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE: Clifton ES
Hi Sharon,
I just was able to read your email in its entirety. As an FYI we have gathered information on this matter and FCPS has conducted a recent study on costs and what would be required. Dean has this information and I will see if I have it in a file format to send to you and others.
Thank you for your offer to have David review this, although I do believe FCPS did a thorough job with regard to the study. I look forward to discussing further and once again appreciate the opportunity to meet and discuss this past Friday.
Take care,
Liz
(703)690-0210 (home #)
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-----Original Message-----
From: Bulova, Sharon S. [mailto:Sharon.Bulova@fairfaxcounty.gov]
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 11:08 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Fw: Clifton ES
Liz,
FYI - I'll call you later re this.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bulova, Sharon S.
To: 'datistadt@fcps.edu'
Cc: 'David.Bulova@AMEC.com.' ; Thomas, Mark C.; 'lynn.silsby@fairfaxcounty.gov.'
Sent: Mon May 03 10:52:15 2010
Subject: Clifton ES
Dean,
My son David has agreed to do some exploration re treating water from the Clifton ES wells, ie what would be required.. How much cost.. Etc. He's asked for some basic info re water useage at the school. Can you pls forward that to David at David.Bulova@AMEC.com.
Also, I don't have Liz Bradshear's email address. Would you please forward this request to her so she is in the loop?
Sharon
To: "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)" ,
"'Bulova, Sharon S.'"
CC: "''David.Bulova@AMEC.com'" <'David.Bulova@AMEC.com>
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:41:05 -0400
Subject: RE: Clifton ES
Attached is our most recent water treatment study. I would welcome any and all thoughts or suggestions from David.
Thanks.
Dean
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:26 PM
To: 'Bulova, Sharon S.'
Cc: ''David.Bulova@AMEC.com'; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE: Clifton ES
Hi Sharon,
I just was able to read your email in its entirety. As an FYI we have gathered information on this matter and FCPS has conducted a recent study on costs and what would be required. Dean has this information and I will see if I have it in a file format to send to you and others.
Thank you for your offer to have David review this, although I do believe FCPS did a thorough job with regard to the study. I look forward to discussing further and once again appreciate the opportunity to meet and discuss this past Friday.
Take care,
Liz
(703)690-0210 (home #)
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-----Original Message-----
From: Bulova, Sharon S. [mailto:Sharon.Bulova@fairfaxcounty.gov]
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 11:08 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Fw: Clifton ES
Liz,
FYI - I'll call you later re this.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bulova, Sharon S.
To: 'datistadt@fcps.edu'
Cc: 'David.Bulova@AMEC.com.' ; Thomas, Mark C.; 'lynn.silsby@fairfaxcounty.gov.'
Sent: Mon May 03 10:52:15 2010
Subject: Clifton ES
Dean,
My son David has agreed to do some exploration re treating water from the Clifton ES wells, ie what would be required.. How much cost.. Etc. He's asked for some basic info re water useage at the school. Can you pls forward that to David at David.Bulova@AMEC.com.
Also, I don't have Liz Bradshear's email address. Would you please forward this request to her so she is in the loop?
Sharon
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
RamParents
()
Date: February 15, 2011 10:56PM
Each of these is painful.
"Perceived community"?
This is nothing other than a heartless wench.
"The issue although about facilities and enrollment morphed into boundaries and as such the Clifton issue was one that was not reviewed based upon factual stats, etc. but rather emotion and also a very important piece, the subject of perceived community."
Liz Bradsher
May she be the subject of perceived votes for whatever she tries to do, including getting approved by the Fairfax Democartic Committee,
Attachments:
"Perceived community"?
This is nothing other than a heartless wench.
"The issue although about facilities and enrollment morphed into boundaries and as such the Clifton issue was one that was not reviewed based upon factual stats, etc. but rather emotion and also a very important piece, the subject of perceived community."
Liz Bradsher
May she be the subject of perceived votes for whatever she tries to do, including getting approved by the Fairfax Democartic Committee,
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
reader
()
Date: February 16, 2011 06:06AM
Fascinating that Liz does not know the difference between Oak Hill and Oak View! I think she has done that in and email before, I thought it was just a slip-but she did it repeatedly in this email. Do any of her constituents go to Oak View or are they all Tessie's?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Right
()
Date: February 16, 2011 09:49AM
reader Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Fascinating that Liz does not know the difference
> between Oak Hill and Oak View! I think she has
> done that in and email before, I thought it was
> just a slip-but she did it repeatedly in this
> email. Do any of her constituents go to Oak View
> or are they all Tessie's?
Liz doesn't even know the difference between right and wrong. Expecting her to know the difference between Oak Hill and Oak View is small in the scope of things.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Fascinating that Liz does not know the difference
> between Oak Hill and Oak View! I think she has
> done that in and email before, I thought it was
> just a slip-but she did it repeatedly in this
> email. Do any of her constituents go to Oak View
> or are they all Tessie's?
Liz doesn't even know the difference between right and wrong. Expecting her to know the difference between Oak Hill and Oak View is small in the scope of things.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mommy Lion
()
Date: February 16, 2011 01:21PM
Average' class sizes as reported by FCPS.
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
They're greedy buggars
()
Date: February 16, 2011 08:11PM
RamParents Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Each of these is painful.
>
> "Perceived community"?
Gotta admit, that email clearly shows that clifton only cares about their piece of the pie, not giving a rats ass about the other communities in the room. Or the county as a whole...
-------------------------------------------------------
> Each of these is painful.
>
> "Perceived community"?
Gotta admit, that email clearly shows that clifton only cares about their piece of the pie, not giving a rats ass about the other communities in the room. Or the county as a whole...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
what?
()
Date: February 16, 2011 09:15PM
If you want to be taken seriously here, add a comment that makes sense. You are commenting on Liz's email - which, after studying it several times, has no documented support and does not make sense. You must be Liz herself - I don't even think one of her cronies would be this silly.
Forget trying to drum up more support by making Clifton look like the elite privileged folk. Nice try, and it may have worked for awhile, but we can see right through you. What you have done is so very wrong - you should be hauled into court. How did you ever get elected?!
What you have to realize, is now you are affecting so many more than Clifton. It has driven us all to take time out of our day to get up to speed on how you do business. And we're appalled.
Forget trying to drum up more support by making Clifton look like the elite privileged folk. Nice try, and it may have worked for awhile, but we can see right through you. What you have done is so very wrong - you should be hauled into court. How did you ever get elected?!
What you have to realize, is now you are affecting so many more than Clifton. It has driven us all to take time out of our day to get up to speed on how you do business. And we're appalled.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FrustratedFCPSParent
()
Date: February 17, 2011 07:48AM
Dizzie Lizzie's plan = no plan
From: "James, Denise"
To: "Tistadt, Dean" , "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)" , "Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)"
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:47:58 -0400
Subject: Re:
Me too. We will never get to a longer range planning mindset if we only plan based on what gets bonded. Leap of faith that bonds will pass and schools will get built
________________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); James, Denise
Sent: Fri May 07 07:42:58 2010
Subject: RE:
Agree completely.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 7:43 AM
To: Tistadt, Dean; Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); James, Denise
Subject: RE:
We have done all the work needed to move ahead and plan accordingly. It will be important to plan and also articulate the next steps so the Board understands what needs to be done next as well as the public.
We could discuss this all at CPDC, thoughts?
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________________
From: "James, Denise"
To: "Tistadt, Dean" , "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)" , "Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)"
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:47:58 -0400
Subject: Re:
Me too. We will never get to a longer range planning mindset if we only plan based on what gets bonded. Leap of faith that bonds will pass and schools will get built
________________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); James, Denise
Sent: Fri May 07 07:42:58 2010
Subject: RE:
Agree completely.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 7:43 AM
To: Tistadt, Dean; Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); James, Denise
Subject: RE:
We have done all the work needed to move ahead and plan accordingly. It will be important to plan and also articulate the next steps so the Board understands what needs to be done next as well as the public.
We could discuss this all at CPDC, thoughts?
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________________
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LizHasGotToGo
()
Date: February 17, 2011 07:50AM
I don't live in Clifton but have studied the data. Clearly, this was a political move with a poorly built business case which will cost us $4 million...WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
questioner
()
Date: February 17, 2011 05:02PM
question:
Are all of the "additions" at the schools that are "growing" during this boundary process dependent on a bond passing in November--or is the money already in the budget?
Are all of the "additions" at the schools that are "growing" during this boundary process dependent on a bond passing in November--or is the money already in the budget?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: February 17, 2011 06:18PM
questioner Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> question:
>
> Are all of the "additions" at the schools that are
> "growing" during this boundary process dependent
> on a bond passing in November--or is the money
> already in the budget?
Tistadt has already said this can come out of the construction reserve which is leftover funds from prior bonding that was not spent due to reduced pricing from the economic downturn. So these funds are not dependent on new bonds.
-------------------------------------------------------
> question:
>
> Are all of the "additions" at the schools that are
> "growing" during this boundary process dependent
> on a bond passing in November--or is the money
> already in the budget?
Tistadt has already said this can come out of the construction reserve which is leftover funds from prior bonding that was not spent due to reduced pricing from the economic downturn. So these funds are not dependent on new bonds.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Jack Dale
()
Date: February 17, 2011 09:47PM
Subject: URGENT: Breaking News
Fairfax County School Board and Officials Subpoenaed
Thursday, February 17, 2011 - Fairfax County, Virginia – Documenting violations under the Virginia Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) as continuing to mount, a fourth count has been added to the recent FOIA case against Fairfax County Public Schools and the Fairfax County School Board. The case, filed today in Fairfax County Circuit Court, was temporarily held due to FCPS’ efforts to enter the case in an evidentiary trial rather than a hearing as motioned by the Petitioner.
The David v. Goliath case centers around accountability demanded by the Petitioner, Jill D. Hill, a Fairfax County resident, for an extensive array of Freedom of Information Act and Open Meetings Law violations by FCPS and the School Board.
Patton Boggs, LLP, counsel for Hill, and FCPS attorneys will appear in the Court’s calendar control Friday morning, February 18th, to set the trial date. Under Virginia law, FOIA cases are required by statute to be heard in seven (7) calendar days. The statute does not permit exceptions for weekends or holidays.
Among those for whom subpoenas were issued in Fairfax County Circuit Court today are school officials:
§ Dean Tistadt;
§ Paul Regnier;
§ Pam Goddard; and
§ Sara Kolb
In addition, the School Board in its entirety were issued subpoenas:
§ Judith Wilson;
§ Jane K. Strauss;
§ Daniel G. Storck;
§ Kathy L. Smith, Chairman;
§ Patricia S. Reed;
§ James L. Raney;
§ Ilryong Moon;
§ Martina Hone;
§ Stuart D. Gibson;
§ Sandra S. Evans;
§ Brad Center, Vice Chairman; and
§ Elizabeth Torpey Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board and Officials Subpoenaed
Thursday, February 17, 2011 - Fairfax County, Virginia – Documenting violations under the Virginia Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) as continuing to mount, a fourth count has been added to the recent FOIA case against Fairfax County Public Schools and the Fairfax County School Board. The case, filed today in Fairfax County Circuit Court, was temporarily held due to FCPS’ efforts to enter the case in an evidentiary trial rather than a hearing as motioned by the Petitioner.
The David v. Goliath case centers around accountability demanded by the Petitioner, Jill D. Hill, a Fairfax County resident, for an extensive array of Freedom of Information Act and Open Meetings Law violations by FCPS and the School Board.
Patton Boggs, LLP, counsel for Hill, and FCPS attorneys will appear in the Court’s calendar control Friday morning, February 18th, to set the trial date. Under Virginia law, FOIA cases are required by statute to be heard in seven (7) calendar days. The statute does not permit exceptions for weekends or holidays.
Among those for whom subpoenas were issued in Fairfax County Circuit Court today are school officials:
§ Dean Tistadt;
§ Paul Regnier;
§ Pam Goddard; and
§ Sara Kolb
In addition, the School Board in its entirety were issued subpoenas:
§ Judith Wilson;
§ Jane K. Strauss;
§ Daniel G. Storck;
§ Kathy L. Smith, Chairman;
§ Patricia S. Reed;
§ James L. Raney;
§ Ilryong Moon;
§ Martina Hone;
§ Stuart D. Gibson;
§ Sandra S. Evans;
§ Brad Center, Vice Chairman; and
§ Elizabeth Torpey Bradsher
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Yes, yes, yes!
()
Date: February 17, 2011 10:03PM
The TRUTH will soon come out.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Oh Damn!
()
Date: February 17, 2011 10:28PM
Getting out of dodge?
Or making out like a bandit?
Attachments:
Or making out like a bandit?
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
DeanSpeaks
()
Date: February 17, 2011 10:40PM
questioner Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> question:
>
> Are all of the "additions" at the schools that are
> "growing" during this boundary process dependent
> on a bond passing in November--or is the money
> already in the budget?
From: "Tistadt, Dean"
To: "James, Denise" , "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)" , "Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member), "
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:53:33 -0400
Subject: Re:
Remember that we will be discussing a boundary study in advance of determining the size of the schools and of any additions and at what schools. We can't bond until we know these facts.
Plus we have over $40 million in construction reserve that the board could use to do all of these projects without going to referendum.
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
-------------------------------------------------------
> question:
>
> Are all of the "additions" at the schools that are
> "growing" during this boundary process dependent
> on a bond passing in November--or is the money
> already in the budget?
From: "Tistadt, Dean"
To: "James, Denise" , "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)" , "Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member), "
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:53:33 -0400
Subject: Re:
Remember that we will be discussing a boundary study in advance of determining the size of the schools and of any additions and at what schools. We can't bond until we know these facts.
Plus we have over $40 million in construction reserve that the board could use to do all of these projects without going to referendum.
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
BirdsOfAFeather
()
Date: February 17, 2011 10:47PM
Ok so Dale gets caught sleeping around - gets divorced. Parents kick him out of Frederick County (or find him a new job). We get stuck with him. So Tisdadt gets caught and Dale looks the other way. Wake up people - do these people have any morals at all? How long will it take to get rid of them?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MythBreaker
()
Date: February 17, 2011 11:55PM
Liz Bradsher would nominate herself for sainthood.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
wait wait
()
Date: February 18, 2011 06:10AM
I missed the part about Jack Dale getting caught sleeping around and being sacked by Maryland. Is this speculation or fact?
Why WHY are these administrators passed around from district to district? Education administrators rarely get better with age.
Why WHY are these administrators passed around from district to district? Education administrators rarely get better with age.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
reader
()
Date: February 18, 2011 06:38AM
information about Dale's hiring
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61814-2004May27.html
an ironic paragraph:
One of the things that really impressed us is his ability to gather input from all the stakeholders and get everybody moving in the same directions," Gibson said. "Here in this community, more than in many other places, we want our superintendent to be accessible to the community. I think that Jack will go out of his way to make sure that people are heard."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61814-2004May27.html
an ironic paragraph:
One of the things that really impressed us is his ability to gather input from all the stakeholders and get everybody moving in the same directions," Gibson said. "Here in this community, more than in many other places, we want our superintendent to be accessible to the community. I think that Jack will go out of his way to make sure that people are heard."
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: February 18, 2011 07:56AM
So why aren't they using the $40 million construction reserve to renovate WSHS or other schools on the capital program list instead of building additions to these elementary schools?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WSHS parent
()
Date: February 18, 2011 09:12AM
Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So why aren't they using the $40 million
> construction reserve to renovate WSHS or other
> schools on the capital program list instead of
> building additions to these elementary schools?
+1
And let's not forget Gatehouse Two. THEY should be the ones in OLD trailers and buildings with mold and asbestos problems and broom closets used as offices. Oh wait, that's right, another new school needed to be built in South County first even though existing, newly renovated seats sat vacant at surrounding schools.
-------------------------------------------------------
> So why aren't they using the $40 million
> construction reserve to renovate WSHS or other
> schools on the capital program list instead of
> building additions to these elementary schools?
+1
And let's not forget Gatehouse Two. THEY should be the ones in OLD trailers and buildings with mold and asbestos problems and broom closets used as offices. Oh wait, that's right, another new school needed to be built in South County first even though existing, newly renovated seats sat vacant at surrounding schools.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
mmmm
()
Date: February 18, 2011 09:14AM
WSHS parent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas More Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So why aren't they using the $40 million
> > construction reserve to renovate WSHS or other
> > schools on the capital program list instead of
> > building additions to these elementary schools?
> +1
>
> And let's not forget Gatehouse Two. THEY should
> be the ones in OLD trailers and buildings with
> mold and asbestos problems and broom closets used
> as offices. Oh wait, that's right, another new
> school needed to be built in South County first
> even though existing, newly renovated seats sat
> vacant at surrounding schools.
Exactamundo.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas More Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So why aren't they using the $40 million
> > construction reserve to renovate WSHS or other
> > schools on the capital program list instead of
> > building additions to these elementary schools?
> +1
>
> And let's not forget Gatehouse Two. THEY should
> be the ones in OLD trailers and buildings with
> mold and asbestos problems and broom closets used
> as offices. Oh wait, that's right, another new
> school needed to be built in South County first
> even though existing, newly renovated seats sat
> vacant at surrounding schools.
Exactamundo.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Smart Cookie
()
Date: February 18, 2011 10:02AM
How does a high school senior get it and the entire FCPS system and board does not?
Wonder if Smith bothered to respond to this polite student's very good points.
Doubt it.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Russell Michelson
To:
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:46:57 -0400
Subject: The Problem with School Districting
Dear Mrs. Smith,
I have lived in Oak Hill my whole life and I am now a senior at Westfield High School. I would like to inform you about my situation so that you may understand better many students' dilemma.
Everyone I went to school with up to middle school grew up in the Reston/Herndon area. As we entered high school, we were thrust far away from our home to the far reaches of Chantilly. Worst of all, my best friend since first grade, Ryan, was separated from me. He only lives five minutes away, but he might as well live on the other side of the county. He goes to Oakton High School, ten miles away from my school. Consequently, he spends all his time in the Oakton/Fairfax area while I have to spend mine around Western Chantilly and Centreville.
Those of us who went to Westfield High School from Rachel Carson Middle School became a small minority in a school that is essentially populated by students from Centreville. They grew up in the foreign land of Centreville/Clifton. We were seen as outsiders from far away. They all knew each other from Stone Middle School and we seemed to be intruding. I'd like to say that by our senior year we grew into one happy, integrated student body, but it is not so. Even after more than three years together, Herndoners tend to stick to their own and vice versa. Many Centrevillians still don't even know where Herndon is.
There are a few identifiable reasons for this this problem. One is that the Centreville population feels more connected to the school than do the Herndoners. The Centreview Newpaper covers news from Westfield; the Herndon Connection does not. The homecoming parade and most fundraisers are held in Centreville. Also, it doesn't help that it can take up to 30 minutes to drive to a friend from school's house. I can say with certainty that I would have enjoyed my high school experience much more if I went to a school where I didn't feel like an alien. Perhaps one of the two schools that are closer to my home like South Lakes or Chantilly.
With last years' redistricting, unfortunately, Oak Hill residents were victimized even more. Bradley Farms, the neighborhood next to mine is actually zoned to go to three different elementary schools, depending on which part of the neighborhood one lives in. For some reason, there is only one neighborhood in Oak Hill that still feeds into Westfield: mine. That means there will only be a couple dozen of us in a school of around 3,000 students in a few years. Any sense of community in Oak Hill will be lost because of the fragmentation between the elementary and high schools and cases like Ryan and I will be common.
While all this may be an extreme case, it is a problem throughout the county. Since our county has been so prolific in the last 20 years, schools have been popping up at a fast rate. Consequently, school districting right now is screwed up beyond repair. As we have learned from last year, butchering communities may fix some overcrowding issues in some places, but they create problems elsewhere. I urge you to consider wiping the slate clean and starting over. I understand that this suggestion is fairly radical and unrealistic, but it is the only way we could assure neighbors do not become school rivals and friendships are not torn apart.
Thanks,
Russell
Wonder if Smith bothered to respond to this polite student's very good points.
Doubt it.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Russell Michelson
To:
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:46:57 -0400
Subject: The Problem with School Districting
Dear Mrs. Smith,
I have lived in Oak Hill my whole life and I am now a senior at Westfield High School. I would like to inform you about my situation so that you may understand better many students' dilemma.
Everyone I went to school with up to middle school grew up in the Reston/Herndon area. As we entered high school, we were thrust far away from our home to the far reaches of Chantilly. Worst of all, my best friend since first grade, Ryan, was separated from me. He only lives five minutes away, but he might as well live on the other side of the county. He goes to Oakton High School, ten miles away from my school. Consequently, he spends all his time in the Oakton/Fairfax area while I have to spend mine around Western Chantilly and Centreville.
Those of us who went to Westfield High School from Rachel Carson Middle School became a small minority in a school that is essentially populated by students from Centreville. They grew up in the foreign land of Centreville/Clifton. We were seen as outsiders from far away. They all knew each other from Stone Middle School and we seemed to be intruding. I'd like to say that by our senior year we grew into one happy, integrated student body, but it is not so. Even after more than three years together, Herndoners tend to stick to their own and vice versa. Many Centrevillians still don't even know where Herndon is.
There are a few identifiable reasons for this this problem. One is that the Centreville population feels more connected to the school than do the Herndoners. The Centreview Newpaper covers news from Westfield; the Herndon Connection does not. The homecoming parade and most fundraisers are held in Centreville. Also, it doesn't help that it can take up to 30 minutes to drive to a friend from school's house. I can say with certainty that I would have enjoyed my high school experience much more if I went to a school where I didn't feel like an alien. Perhaps one of the two schools that are closer to my home like South Lakes or Chantilly.
With last years' redistricting, unfortunately, Oak Hill residents were victimized even more. Bradley Farms, the neighborhood next to mine is actually zoned to go to three different elementary schools, depending on which part of the neighborhood one lives in. For some reason, there is only one neighborhood in Oak Hill that still feeds into Westfield: mine. That means there will only be a couple dozen of us in a school of around 3,000 students in a few years. Any sense of community in Oak Hill will be lost because of the fragmentation between the elementary and high schools and cases like Ryan and I will be common.
While all this may be an extreme case, it is a problem throughout the county. Since our county has been so prolific in the last 20 years, schools have been popping up at a fast rate. Consequently, school districting right now is screwed up beyond repair. As we have learned from last year, butchering communities may fix some overcrowding issues in some places, but they create problems elsewhere. I urge you to consider wiping the slate clean and starting over. I understand that this suggestion is fairly radical and unrealistic, but it is the only way we could assure neighbors do not become school rivals and friendships are not torn apart.
Thanks,
Russell
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
why2
()
Date: February 18, 2011 10:03AM
Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So why aren't they using the $40 million
> construction reserve to renovate WSHS or other
> schools on the capital program list instead of
> building additions to these elementary schools?
+1 especially since Clifton Elementary didn't need to be renovated right now in which case there was no need for so many additions in the first place. WSHS has been beggging for renovations, Clifton was not.
-------------------------------------------------------
> So why aren't they using the $40 million
> construction reserve to renovate WSHS or other
> schools on the capital program list instead of
> building additions to these elementary schools?
+1 especially since Clifton Elementary didn't need to be renovated right now in which case there was no need for so many additions in the first place. WSHS has been beggging for renovations, Clifton was not.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Groups
()
Date: February 18, 2011 10:14AM
Smart Cookie Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> How does a high school senior get it and the
> entire FCPS system and board does not?
>
> Wonder if Smith bothered to respond to this polite
> student's very good points.
>
> Doubt it.
>
> __________________________________________________
> ______________________________
>
> From: Russell Michelson
> To:
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:46:57 -0400
> Subject: The Problem with School Districting
>
> Dear Mrs. Smith,
>
> I have lived in Oak Hill my whole life and I
> am now a senior at Westfield High School. I would
> like to inform you about my situation so that you
> may understand better many students' dilemma.
>
> Everyone I went to school with up to middle
> school grew up in the Reston/Herndon area. As we
> entered high school, we were thrust far away from
> our home to the far reaches of Chantilly. Worst of
> all, my best friend since first grade, Ryan, was
> separated from me. He only lives five minutes
> away, but he might as well live on the other side
> of the county. He goes to Oakton High School, ten
> miles away from my school. Consequently, he spends
> all his time in the Oakton/Fairfax area while I
> have to spend mine around Western Chantilly and
> Centreville.
>
> Those of us who went to Westfield High
> School from Rachel Carson Middle School became a
> small minority in a school that is essentially
> populated by students from Centreville. They grew
> up in the foreign land of Centreville/Clifton. We
> were seen as outsiders from far away. They all
> knew each other from Stone Middle School and we
> seemed to be intruding. I'd like to say that by
> our senior year we grew into one happy, integrated
> student body, but it is not so. Even after more
> than three years together, Herndoners tend to
> stick to their own and vice versa. Many
> Centrevillians still don't even know where Herndon
> is.
>
> There are a few identifiable reasons for
> this this problem. One is that the Centreville
> population feels more connected to the school than
> do the Herndoners. The Centreview Newpaper covers
> news from Westfield; the Herndon Connection does
> not. The homecoming parade and most fundraisers
> are held in Centreville. Also, it doesn't help
> that it can take up to 30 minutes to drive to a
> friend from school's house. I can say with
> certainty that I would have enjoyed my high school
> experience much more if I went to a school where I
> didn't feel like an alien. Perhaps one of the two
> schools that are closer to my home like South
> Lakes or Chantilly.
>
> With last years' redistricting,
> unfortunately, Oak Hill residents were victimized
> even more. Bradley Farms, the neighborhood next to
> mine is actually zoned to go to three different
> elementary schools, depending on which part of the
> neighborhood one lives in. For some reason, there
> is only one neighborhood in Oak Hill that still
> feeds into Westfield: mine. That means there will
> only be a couple dozen of us in a school of around
> 3,000 students in a few years. Any sense of
> community in Oak Hill will be lost because of the
> fragmentation between the elementary and high
> schools and cases like Ryan and I will be common.
>
> While all this may be an extreme case, it is
> a problem throughout the county. Since our county
> has been so prolific in the last 20 years, schools
> have been popping up at a fast rate. Consequently,
> school districting right now is screwed up beyond
> repair. As we have learned from last year,
> butchering communities may fix some overcrowding
> issues in some places, but they create problems
> elsewhere. I urge you to consider wiping the slate
> clean and starting over. I understand that this
> suggestion is fairly radical and unrealistic, but
> it is the only way we could assure neighbors do
> not become school rivals and friendships are not
> torn apart.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Russell
When groups of kids start feeling singled out and then sticking together in groups, isn't that how gangs get started? Isn't all of these redistricting teh School Board keeps doing essentially promoting gangs?
-------------------------------------------------------
> How does a high school senior get it and the
> entire FCPS system and board does not?
>
> Wonder if Smith bothered to respond to this polite
> student's very good points.
>
> Doubt it.
>
> __________________________________________________
> ______________________________
>
> From: Russell Michelson
> To:
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:46:57 -0400
> Subject: The Problem with School Districting
>
> Dear Mrs. Smith,
>
> I have lived in Oak Hill my whole life and I
> am now a senior at Westfield High School. I would
> like to inform you about my situation so that you
> may understand better many students' dilemma.
>
> Everyone I went to school with up to middle
> school grew up in the Reston/Herndon area. As we
> entered high school, we were thrust far away from
> our home to the far reaches of Chantilly. Worst of
> all, my best friend since first grade, Ryan, was
> separated from me. He only lives five minutes
> away, but he might as well live on the other side
> of the county. He goes to Oakton High School, ten
> miles away from my school. Consequently, he spends
> all his time in the Oakton/Fairfax area while I
> have to spend mine around Western Chantilly and
> Centreville.
>
> Those of us who went to Westfield High
> School from Rachel Carson Middle School became a
> small minority in a school that is essentially
> populated by students from Centreville. They grew
> up in the foreign land of Centreville/Clifton. We
> were seen as outsiders from far away. They all
> knew each other from Stone Middle School and we
> seemed to be intruding. I'd like to say that by
> our senior year we grew into one happy, integrated
> student body, but it is not so. Even after more
> than three years together, Herndoners tend to
> stick to their own and vice versa. Many
> Centrevillians still don't even know where Herndon
> is.
>
> There are a few identifiable reasons for
> this this problem. One is that the Centreville
> population feels more connected to the school than
> do the Herndoners. The Centreview Newpaper covers
> news from Westfield; the Herndon Connection does
> not. The homecoming parade and most fundraisers
> are held in Centreville. Also, it doesn't help
> that it can take up to 30 minutes to drive to a
> friend from school's house. I can say with
> certainty that I would have enjoyed my high school
> experience much more if I went to a school where I
> didn't feel like an alien. Perhaps one of the two
> schools that are closer to my home like South
> Lakes or Chantilly.
>
> With last years' redistricting,
> unfortunately, Oak Hill residents were victimized
> even more. Bradley Farms, the neighborhood next to
> mine is actually zoned to go to three different
> elementary schools, depending on which part of the
> neighborhood one lives in. For some reason, there
> is only one neighborhood in Oak Hill that still
> feeds into Westfield: mine. That means there will
> only be a couple dozen of us in a school of around
> 3,000 students in a few years. Any sense of
> community in Oak Hill will be lost because of the
> fragmentation between the elementary and high
> schools and cases like Ryan and I will be common.
>
> While all this may be an extreme case, it is
> a problem throughout the county. Since our county
> has been so prolific in the last 20 years, schools
> have been popping up at a fast rate. Consequently,
> school districting right now is screwed up beyond
> repair. As we have learned from last year,
> butchering communities may fix some overcrowding
> issues in some places, but they create problems
> elsewhere. I urge you to consider wiping the slate
> clean and starting over. I understand that this
> suggestion is fairly radical and unrealistic, but
> it is the only way we could assure neighbors do
> not become school rivals and friendships are not
> torn apart.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Russell
When groups of kids start feeling singled out and then sticking together in groups, isn't that how gangs get started? Isn't all of these redistricting teh School Board keeps doing essentially promoting gangs?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
pawn
()
Date: February 18, 2011 10:56AM
WSHS parent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas More Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So why aren't they using the $40 million
> > construction reserve to renovate WSHS or other
> > schools on the capital program list instead of
> > building additions to these elementary schools?
> +1
>
> And let's not forget Gatehouse Two. THEY should
> be the ones in OLD trailers and buildings with
> mold and asbestos problems and broom closets used
> as offices. Oh wait, that's right, another new
> school needed to be built in South County first
> even though existing, newly renovated seats sat
> vacant at surrounding schools.
Based on the dates in the various emails, it looks like they have had that $40 million sitting around in reserves for possibly a year or more. If they had REALLY wanted to renovate WSHS, the renovations would already be half completed.
From the outside looking in, it looks like they figured SOAR was a motivated group so they would USE them as impetus to get people out to vote and push through a bond to get more money for FCPS (and Liz Bradsher clearly wanted votes from SOAR). SOAR looks like just another group of oblivious pawns.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas More Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So why aren't they using the $40 million
> > construction reserve to renovate WSHS or other
> > schools on the capital program list instead of
> > building additions to these elementary schools?
> +1
>
> And let's not forget Gatehouse Two. THEY should
> be the ones in OLD trailers and buildings with
> mold and asbestos problems and broom closets used
> as offices. Oh wait, that's right, another new
> school needed to be built in South County first
> even though existing, newly renovated seats sat
> vacant at surrounding schools.
Based on the dates in the various emails, it looks like they have had that $40 million sitting around in reserves for possibly a year or more. If they had REALLY wanted to renovate WSHS, the renovations would already be half completed.
From the outside looking in, it looks like they figured SOAR was a motivated group so they would USE them as impetus to get people out to vote and push through a bond to get more money for FCPS (and Liz Bradsher clearly wanted votes from SOAR). SOAR looks like just another group of oblivious pawns.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
reader
()
Date: February 18, 2011 11:07AM
Looks like Liz and Dean weren't always such good friends.
From SOAR website:
November 13, 2008
Dear SOAR Parents, Students and Residents,
On Monday the School Board held a Work Session to discuss various issues pertinent to FCPS. The majority of that day was spent on budget issues, the last 35 minutes dealt with the CIP. During these last 35 minutes I learned the usual CIP Process, that has taken place for well over 11 years as I know it, may be altered this year. This was presented without previous knowledge by the School Board members. In plain language we were not briefed beforehand on such a potential CIP modification.
There is no doubt in my mind WSHS needs a renovation. To stall such a renovation serves no useful purpose. I believe in process, hard data and solid analysis. The rankings of the schools needing renovation make for an improved and accurate CIP as we know it. I know very little about the proposed Planning Groups as they were not explained in detail but rest assured I will find out more. I believe the main intent for such Planning Groups is to review county enrollment due to the newly projected forecast of our enrollment climbing to 182,000 students. Looking at enrollment changes means many things; it can mean additions, modulars and boundary changes. Therefore, due to the generalities described about these potential Planning Groups I remain very skeptical to such a suggestion by Facilities staff.
WSHS needs a renovation due to facility need not enrollment. The school handles a full load and then some, the facility is not underutilized in any manner however it is the age and needs of the facility that drive this renovation need. In May I attended a public meeting where Dean Tistadt, COO of FCPS, said WSHS fell within the cracks and was overlooked for CIP placement. This comment was very telling to me and it should be telling to everyone. If it was overlooked and the need so evident then why is this facility still awaiting placement on the CIP and how will the suggestion of Planning Groups help a school like WSHS get a renovation in a timely manner?
I will continue to work on this issue and will meet with Mr. Tistadt and others. I am committed to a transparent process and I am very disappointed certain FCPS staff have not provided the transparency requested by the residents of this county.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
From SOAR website:
November 13, 2008
Dear SOAR Parents, Students and Residents,
On Monday the School Board held a Work Session to discuss various issues pertinent to FCPS. The majority of that day was spent on budget issues, the last 35 minutes dealt with the CIP. During these last 35 minutes I learned the usual CIP Process, that has taken place for well over 11 years as I know it, may be altered this year. This was presented without previous knowledge by the School Board members. In plain language we were not briefed beforehand on such a potential CIP modification.
There is no doubt in my mind WSHS needs a renovation. To stall such a renovation serves no useful purpose. I believe in process, hard data and solid analysis. The rankings of the schools needing renovation make for an improved and accurate CIP as we know it. I know very little about the proposed Planning Groups as they were not explained in detail but rest assured I will find out more. I believe the main intent for such Planning Groups is to review county enrollment due to the newly projected forecast of our enrollment climbing to 182,000 students. Looking at enrollment changes means many things; it can mean additions, modulars and boundary changes. Therefore, due to the generalities described about these potential Planning Groups I remain very skeptical to such a suggestion by Facilities staff.
WSHS needs a renovation due to facility need not enrollment. The school handles a full load and then some, the facility is not underutilized in any manner however it is the age and needs of the facility that drive this renovation need. In May I attended a public meeting where Dean Tistadt, COO of FCPS, said WSHS fell within the cracks and was overlooked for CIP placement. This comment was very telling to me and it should be telling to everyone. If it was overlooked and the need so evident then why is this facility still awaiting placement on the CIP and how will the suggestion of Planning Groups help a school like WSHS get a renovation in a timely manner?
I will continue to work on this issue and will meet with Mr. Tistadt and others. I am committed to a transparent process and I am very disappointed certain FCPS staff have not provided the transparency requested by the residents of this county.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
RealityCheck
()
Date: February 18, 2011 11:31AM
pawn Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> WSHS parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Thomas More Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > So why aren't they using the $40 million
> > > construction reserve to renovate WSHS or
> other
> > > schools on the capital program list instead
> of
> > > building additions to these elementary
> schools?
> > +1
> >
> > And let's not forget Gatehouse Two. THEY
> should
> > be the ones in OLD trailers and buildings with
> > mold and asbestos problems and broom closets
> used
> > as offices. Oh wait, that's right, another new
> > school needed to be built in South County first
> > even though existing, newly renovated seats sat
> > vacant at surrounding schools.
>
>
> Based on the dates in the various emails, it looks
> like they have had that $40 million sitting around
> in reserves for possibly a year or more. If they
> had REALLY wanted to renovate WSHS, the
> renovations would already be half completed.
>
> From the outside looking in, it looks like they
> figured SOAR was a motivated group so they would
> USE them as impetus to get people out to vote and
> push through a bond to get more money for FCPS
> (and Liz Bradsher clearly wanted votes from SOAR).
> SOAR looks like just another group of oblivious
> pawns.
Not only that but just because voters approve a bond that has WSHS name on it doesn't mean they have to use it for that school. Look at what happened with Graham Road ES, Pimmit Hills bonds, etc. WSHS could be waiting for YEARS before they actually see any renovation at all and Liz Bradsher will be long gone by then. She already got what she wanted which was SOCO Middle School. That $40M should be spent on WSHS NOW. If they left CES open and didn't do such a massive boundary study than WSHS could have that money.
-------------------------------------------------------
> WSHS parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Thomas More Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > So why aren't they using the $40 million
> > > construction reserve to renovate WSHS or
> other
> > > schools on the capital program list instead
> of
> > > building additions to these elementary
> schools?
> > +1
> >
> > And let's not forget Gatehouse Two. THEY
> should
> > be the ones in OLD trailers and buildings with
> > mold and asbestos problems and broom closets
> used
> > as offices. Oh wait, that's right, another new
> > school needed to be built in South County first
> > even though existing, newly renovated seats sat
> > vacant at surrounding schools.
>
>
> Based on the dates in the various emails, it looks
> like they have had that $40 million sitting around
> in reserves for possibly a year or more. If they
> had REALLY wanted to renovate WSHS, the
> renovations would already be half completed.
>
> From the outside looking in, it looks like they
> figured SOAR was a motivated group so they would
> USE them as impetus to get people out to vote and
> push through a bond to get more money for FCPS
> (and Liz Bradsher clearly wanted votes from SOAR).
> SOAR looks like just another group of oblivious
> pawns.
Not only that but just because voters approve a bond that has WSHS name on it doesn't mean they have to use it for that school. Look at what happened with Graham Road ES, Pimmit Hills bonds, etc. WSHS could be waiting for YEARS before they actually see any renovation at all and Liz Bradsher will be long gone by then. She already got what she wanted which was SOCO Middle School. That $40M should be spent on WSHS NOW. If they left CES open and didn't do such a massive boundary study than WSHS could have that money.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WSHS Parent
()
Date: February 18, 2011 11:52AM
pawn Wrote:
> Based on the dates in the various emails, it looks
> like they have had that $40 million sitting around
> in reserves for possibly a year or more. If they
> had REALLY wanted to renovate WSHS, the
> renovations would already be half completed.
>
> From the outside looking in, it looks like they
> figured SOAR was a motivated group so they would
> USE them as impetus to get people out to vote and
> push through a bond to get more money for FCPS
> (and Liz Bradsher clearly wanted votes from SOAR).
> SOAR looks like just another group of oblivious
> pawns.
+1
> Based on the dates in the various emails, it looks
> like they have had that $40 million sitting around
> in reserves for possibly a year or more. If they
> had REALLY wanted to renovate WSHS, the
> renovations would already be half completed.
>
> From the outside looking in, it looks like they
> figured SOAR was a motivated group so they would
> USE them as impetus to get people out to vote and
> push through a bond to get more money for FCPS
> (and Liz Bradsher clearly wanted votes from SOAR).
> SOAR looks like just another group of oblivious
> pawns.
+1
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WSHS Parent
()
Date: February 18, 2011 12:04PM
reader Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Looks like Liz and Dean weren't always such good
> friends.
> From SOAR website:
>
>
> November 13, 2008
>
> Dear SOAR Parents, Students and Residents,
> On Monday the School Board held a Work Session to
> discuss various issues pertinent to FCPS. The
> majority of that day was spent on budget issues,
> the last 35 minutes dealt with the CIP. During
> these last 35 minutes I learned the usual CIP
> Process, that has taken place for well over 11
> years as I know it, may be altered this year.
> This was presented without previous knowledge by
> the School Board members. In plain language we
> were not briefed beforehand on such a potential
> CIP modification.
> There is no doubt in my mind WSHS needs a
> renovation. To stall such a renovation serves no
> useful purpose. I believe in process, hard data
> and solid analysis. The rankings of the schools
> needing renovation make for an improved and
> accurate CIP as we know it. I know very little
> about the proposed Planning Groups as they were
> not explained in detail but rest assured I will
> find out more. I believe the main intent for such
> Planning Groups is to review county enrollment due
> to the newly projected forecast of our enrollment
> climbing to 182,000 students. Looking at
> enrollment changes means many things; it can mean
> additions, modulars and boundary changes.
> Therefore, due to the generalities described about
> these potential Planning Groups I remain very
> skeptical to such a suggestion by Facilities
> staff.
> WSHS needs a renovation due to facility need not
> enrollment. The school handles a full load and
> then some, the facility is not underutilized in
> any manner however it is the age and needs of the
> facility that drive this renovation need. In May
> I attended a public meeting where Dean Tistadt,
> COO of FCPS, said WSHS fell within the cracks and
> was overlooked for CIP placement. This comment
> was very telling to me and it should be telling to
> everyone. If it was overlooked and the need so
> evident then why is this facility still awaiting
> placement on the CIP and how will the suggestion
> of Planning Groups help a school like WSHS get a
> renovation in a timely manner?
> I will continue to work on this issue and will
> meet with Mr. Tistadt and others. I am committed
> to a transparent process and I am very
> disappointed certain FCPS staff have not provided
> the transparency requested by the residents of
> this county.
> Sincerely,
> Liz Bradsher
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
This was just to shut us up so we wouldn't get in the way of her SCMS. You really don't believe this do you?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Looks like Liz and Dean weren't always such good
> friends.
> From SOAR website:
>
>
> November 13, 2008
>
> Dear SOAR Parents, Students and Residents,
> On Monday the School Board held a Work Session to
> discuss various issues pertinent to FCPS. The
> majority of that day was spent on budget issues,
> the last 35 minutes dealt with the CIP. During
> these last 35 minutes I learned the usual CIP
> Process, that has taken place for well over 11
> years as I know it, may be altered this year.
> This was presented without previous knowledge by
> the School Board members. In plain language we
> were not briefed beforehand on such a potential
> CIP modification.
> There is no doubt in my mind WSHS needs a
> renovation. To stall such a renovation serves no
> useful purpose. I believe in process, hard data
> and solid analysis. The rankings of the schools
> needing renovation make for an improved and
> accurate CIP as we know it. I know very little
> about the proposed Planning Groups as they were
> not explained in detail but rest assured I will
> find out more. I believe the main intent for such
> Planning Groups is to review county enrollment due
> to the newly projected forecast of our enrollment
> climbing to 182,000 students. Looking at
> enrollment changes means many things; it can mean
> additions, modulars and boundary changes.
> Therefore, due to the generalities described about
> these potential Planning Groups I remain very
> skeptical to such a suggestion by Facilities
> staff.
> WSHS needs a renovation due to facility need not
> enrollment. The school handles a full load and
> then some, the facility is not underutilized in
> any manner however it is the age and needs of the
> facility that drive this renovation need. In May
> I attended a public meeting where Dean Tistadt,
> COO of FCPS, said WSHS fell within the cracks and
> was overlooked for CIP placement. This comment
> was very telling to me and it should be telling to
> everyone. If it was overlooked and the need so
> evident then why is this facility still awaiting
> placement on the CIP and how will the suggestion
> of Planning Groups help a school like WSHS get a
> renovation in a timely manner?
> I will continue to work on this issue and will
> meet with Mr. Tistadt and others. I am committed
> to a transparent process and I am very
> disappointed certain FCPS staff have not provided
> the transparency requested by the residents of
> this county.
> Sincerely,
> Liz Bradsher
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
This was just to shut us up so we wouldn't get in the way of her SCMS. You really don't believe this do you?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
irony
()
Date: February 18, 2011 12:15PM
RealityCheck Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> pawn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WSHS parent Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Thomas More Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > So why aren't they using the $40 million
> > > > construction reserve to renovate WSHS or
> > other
> > > > schools on the capital program list instead
> > of
> > > > building additions to these elementary
> > schools?
> > > +1
> > >
> > > And let's not forget Gatehouse Two. THEY
> > should
> > > be the ones in OLD trailers and buildings
> with
> > > mold and asbestos problems and broom closets
> > used
> > > as offices. Oh wait, that's right, another
> new
> > > school needed to be built in South County
> first
> > > even though existing, newly renovated seats
> sat
> > > vacant at surrounding schools.
> >
> >
> > Based on the dates in the various emails, it
> looks
> > like they have had that $40 million sitting
> around
> > in reserves for possibly a year or more. If
> they
> > had REALLY wanted to renovate WSHS, the
> > renovations would already be half completed.
> >
> > From the outside looking in, it looks like they
> > figured SOAR was a motivated group so they
> would
> > USE them as impetus to get people out to vote
> and
> > push through a bond to get more money for FCPS
> > (and Liz Bradsher clearly wanted votes from
> SOAR).
> > SOAR looks like just another group of
> oblivious
> > pawns.
>
>
> Not only that but just because voters approve a
> bond that has WSHS name on it doesn't mean they
> have to use it for that school. Look at what
> happened with Graham Road ES, Pimmit Hills bonds,
> etc. WSHS could be waiting for YEARS before they
> actually see any renovation at all and Liz
> Bradsher will be long gone by then. She already
> got what she wanted which was SOCO Middle School.
> That $40M should be spent on WSHS NOW. If they
> left CES open and didn't do such a massive
> boundary study than WSHS could have that money.
The irony. SOAR rallied the Board to essentially close Clifton Elementary when what they were really doing was just unknowlingly shooting themselves in the foot. Their only real mistake though was ever trusting Liz Bradsher.
-------------------------------------------------------
> pawn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WSHS parent Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Thomas More Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > So why aren't they using the $40 million
> > > > construction reserve to renovate WSHS or
> > other
> > > > schools on the capital program list instead
> > of
> > > > building additions to these elementary
> > schools?
> > > +1
> > >
> > > And let's not forget Gatehouse Two. THEY
> > should
> > > be the ones in OLD trailers and buildings
> with
> > > mold and asbestos problems and broom closets
> > used
> > > as offices. Oh wait, that's right, another
> new
> > > school needed to be built in South County
> first
> > > even though existing, newly renovated seats
> sat
> > > vacant at surrounding schools.
> >
> >
> > Based on the dates in the various emails, it
> looks
> > like they have had that $40 million sitting
> around
> > in reserves for possibly a year or more. If
> they
> > had REALLY wanted to renovate WSHS, the
> > renovations would already be half completed.
> >
> > From the outside looking in, it looks like they
> > figured SOAR was a motivated group so they
> would
> > USE them as impetus to get people out to vote
> and
> > push through a bond to get more money for FCPS
> > (and Liz Bradsher clearly wanted votes from
> SOAR).
> > SOAR looks like just another group of
> oblivious
> > pawns.
>
>
> Not only that but just because voters approve a
> bond that has WSHS name on it doesn't mean they
> have to use it for that school. Look at what
> happened with Graham Road ES, Pimmit Hills bonds,
> etc. WSHS could be waiting for YEARS before they
> actually see any renovation at all and Liz
> Bradsher will be long gone by then. She already
> got what she wanted which was SOCO Middle School.
> That $40M should be spent on WSHS NOW. If they
> left CES open and didn't do such a massive
> boundary study than WSHS could have that money.
The irony. SOAR rallied the Board to essentially close Clifton Elementary when what they were really doing was just unknowlingly shooting themselves in the foot. Their only real mistake though was ever trusting Liz Bradsher.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WSHS Parent
()
Date: February 18, 2011 12:51PM
The core group that makes up SOAR is a handful of people who are are/were unwittingly spoonfed by LB. I am not SOAR nor do I believe that CES should be closed.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
questioner
()
Date: February 18, 2011 01:06PM
I'm very confused about the CIP process and the funds. $40,000,000 construction reserve?? I'm no budget person, but I find this excessive.
Who does the audits for FCPS? Sounds like FCPS finds money to justify its plans, but can't find it when the public asks for something. Maybe I am just dense.
Who does the audits for FCPS? Sounds like FCPS finds money to justify its plans, but can't find it when the public asks for something. Maybe I am just dense.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
sammy
()
Date: February 18, 2011 02:02PM
questioner Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm very confused about the CIP process and the
> funds. $40,000,000 construction reserve?? I'm no
> budget person, but I find this excessive.
>
> Who does the audits for FCPS? Sounds like FCPS
> finds money to justify its plans, but can't find
> it when the public asks for something. Maybe I am
> just dense.
On the contrary, you seem to have common sense. Which, as we've discovered here, is not so common these days.
Do the huge amounts of money they work with and the perceived "power" they have corrupt people who get elected to the school board?
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm very confused about the CIP process and the
> funds. $40,000,000 construction reserve?? I'm no
> budget person, but I find this excessive.
>
> Who does the audits for FCPS? Sounds like FCPS
> finds money to justify its plans, but can't find
> it when the public asks for something. Maybe I am
> just dense.
On the contrary, you seem to have common sense. Which, as we've discovered here, is not so common these days.
Do the huge amounts of money they work with and the perceived "power" they have corrupt people who get elected to the school board?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I am sick of WSHS
()
Date: February 18, 2011 02:15PM
1. SOAR wasn't exactly "played" by Bradsher. They are adults. They knew what was being asked of them....screw one community to advance their own cause. It was a choice they accepted willingly.
2. Stop this nonsense about WSHS deserving a piece of the $40 million. WAIT YOUR TURN!
You are not the only school waiting for renovations. Here is the list-notice where WSHS is:
Clermont ES
Terraset ES
Sunrise Valley ES
Garfield ES
Terra Centre ES
Thoreau MS
Westgate ES
Haycock ES
Langley HS
Ravensworth ES
Woodlawn ES
Forestville ES
North Springfield ES
Springfield Estates ES
Keene Mill ES
Bucknell ES
Cherry Run ES
Waynewood ES
Stratford Landing ES
Newington Forest ES
Hollin Meadows ES
White Oaks ES
West Springfield HS
Mt Vernon Woods ES
That's the order....WAIT YOUR TURN.
2. Stop this nonsense about WSHS deserving a piece of the $40 million. WAIT YOUR TURN!
You are not the only school waiting for renovations. Here is the list-notice where WSHS is:
Clermont ES
Terraset ES
Sunrise Valley ES
Garfield ES
Terra Centre ES
Thoreau MS
Westgate ES
Haycock ES
Langley HS
Ravensworth ES
Woodlawn ES
Forestville ES
North Springfield ES
Springfield Estates ES
Keene Mill ES
Bucknell ES
Cherry Run ES
Waynewood ES
Stratford Landing ES
Newington Forest ES
Hollin Meadows ES
White Oaks ES
West Springfield HS
Mt Vernon Woods ES
That's the order....WAIT YOUR TURN.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
yeah
()
Date: February 18, 2011 03:14PM
yeah...Langley HS is really, really REALLY neglected.
Same with Waynewood ES. The most obnoxious school in the area. Control freak moms run it like a private school, and that's the way they like it.
Langley has had an expansion. WSHS is in far worse shape than Langley.
Same with Waynewood ES. The most obnoxious school in the area. Control freak moms run it like a private school, and that's the way they like it.
Langley has had an expansion. WSHS is in far worse shape than Langley.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WhoDetermines
()
Date: February 18, 2011 03:19PM
Does FCPS receive one lump sum from the County Supervisors and then THEY determine what portion goes into the operating fund and what part goes into the CIP? Or, when it comes from the County Supervisors are the County Supervisors the ones that tell them what portion goes into the CIP? In other words, who actually determines the percentage that goes into the CIP versus operating funds?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
here we go
()
Date: February 18, 2011 03:24PM
SUPPOSEDLY......this list is selected by engineers based on need. This way, dishonest politicians like Bradsher, don't try to muscle their way to the front of the line.
If West Springfield thinks they should be ahead of TJ and Langley, knock yourself out, hire your own engineering firm and dispute the results.
If West Springfield thinks they should be ahead of TJ and Langley, knock yourself out, hire your own engineering firm and dispute the results.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
CIP-explained
()
Date: February 18, 2011 03:55PM
WhoDetermines Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Does FCPS receive one lump sum from the County
> Supervisors and then THEY determine what portion
> goes into the operating fund and what part goes
> into the CIP? Or, when it comes from the County
> Supervisors are the County Supervisors the ones
> that tell them what portion goes into the CIP?
> In other words, who actually determines the
> percentage that goes into the CIP versus operating
> funds?
The CIP is a seperately voted bond referendum. Every two years, FCPS asks to borrow $300 million for school construction.
This $300 or $155 million every year is entirely seperate from the $2.2 billion operating budget.
The Board of Supervisors have no say how this money is spent-they merely approve the bond and unfortunately do not monitor how FCPS spends it. I think Fairfax County pays the principal and interest on these bonds.
Basically this is debt owed by you and me-the taxpayers.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Does FCPS receive one lump sum from the County
> Supervisors and then THEY determine what portion
> goes into the operating fund and what part goes
> into the CIP? Or, when it comes from the County
> Supervisors are the County Supervisors the ones
> that tell them what portion goes into the CIP?
> In other words, who actually determines the
> percentage that goes into the CIP versus operating
> funds?
The CIP is a seperately voted bond referendum. Every two years, FCPS asks to borrow $300 million for school construction.
This $300 or $155 million every year is entirely seperate from the $2.2 billion operating budget.
The Board of Supervisors have no say how this money is spent-they merely approve the bond and unfortunately do not monitor how FCPS spends it. I think Fairfax County pays the principal and interest on these bonds.
Basically this is debt owed by you and me-the taxpayers.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Spartan Parent
()
Date: February 18, 2011 04:17PM
For you edification,Sick an independant consultant hired by FCPS for 75,000 to study the need for renovation, concluded that WSHS should be moved to top priority on the CIP. The SB didn't like those results so Liz and the SB started playing their games and changed the priority for renovation to fit the need for SCMS. WSHS and Langly are two of the Legacy Five high schools.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hah
()
Date: February 18, 2011 07:04PM
yeah Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> yeah...Langley HS is really, really REALLY
> neglected.
Langley is a dump right now. If WSHS jumps the queue, all your bosses up in Great Falls/Mclean are going to start firing the people from Springfield zip codes!
-------------------------------------------------------
> yeah...Langley HS is really, really REALLY
> neglected.
Langley is a dump right now. If WSHS jumps the queue, all your bosses up in Great Falls/Mclean are going to start firing the people from Springfield zip codes!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I say Langley first!
()
Date: February 18, 2011 07:17PM
Liz Bradsher can suck my sock!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Keep your bradsher off my Langley
()
Date: February 19, 2011 09:23AM
If this SB thinks they are going to drag Langley into this SC mess, they are crazy. I know most of the rabblerousers aren't running again, but we'll make their lives miserable as long as they try and live in this area. Here's a simple life lesson: Don't screw with Langley and don't piss off the parents. We can mess with you for decades just for sport. Believe it. Not a threat.......a promise.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The Intimidators
()
Date: February 19, 2011 01:30PM
PTA Presidents, Officers and Members:
Kathy Smith and Liz Bradsher have to stop pressuring us to be good little children and sit down and be quiet.
They have shown no respect for the value of PTAs. It is not acceptable to treat us with hostility then tell us to keep in line by not voicing our opinions.
Virginia Run has added another huge vote to the resolution to demand an end the current boundary study fiasco. Smith tried to stop it. Everyone has had it with the board not listening.
Call them, email them whatever you want, but let them know we are done with the intimidation tactics and being talked about poorly by the board members.
Kathy Smith and Liz Bradsher have to stop pressuring us to be good little children and sit down and be quiet.
They have shown no respect for the value of PTAs. It is not acceptable to treat us with hostility then tell us to keep in line by not voicing our opinions.
Virginia Run has added another huge vote to the resolution to demand an end the current boundary study fiasco. Smith tried to stop it. Everyone has had it with the board not listening.
Call them, email them whatever you want, but let them know we are done with the intimidation tactics and being talked about poorly by the board members.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
zip
()
Date: February 19, 2011 01:35PM
Keep your bradsher off my Langley Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> If this SB thinks they are going to drag Langley
> into this SC mess, they are crazy. I know most of
> the rabblerousers aren't running again, but we'll
> make their lives miserable as long as they try and
> live in this area. Here's a simple life lesson:
> Don't screw with Langley and don't piss off the
> parents. We can mess with you for decades just
> for sport. Believe it. Not a threat.......a
> promise.
Wow. What is it like to think the world revolves around the Langley HS crowd? Do you have a problem using the toilet with your head up your ass?
-------------------------------------------------------
> If this SB thinks they are going to drag Langley
> into this SC mess, they are crazy. I know most of
> the rabblerousers aren't running again, but we'll
> make their lives miserable as long as they try and
> live in this area. Here's a simple life lesson:
> Don't screw with Langley and don't piss off the
> parents. We can mess with you for decades just
> for sport. Believe it. Not a threat.......a
> promise.
Wow. What is it like to think the world revolves around the Langley HS crowd? Do you have a problem using the toilet with your head up your ass?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
memories
()
Date: February 19, 2011 01:37PM
If you want to read about a prior boundary "study", go to the link below. Warning, it is 184 pages. I think you will find that nothing in the process has changed. The concerns are a little different in some instances, but the process is identical. I don't remember ever seeing any emails, though.
A favorite memory: Kathy and Stu sitting with their backs to the audience at an information meeting. Priceless.
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/41672/page-1.html
A favorite memory: Kathy and Stu sitting with their backs to the audience at an information meeting. Priceless.
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/41672/page-1.html
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
memories
()
Date: February 19, 2011 01:39PM
forgot to add:
please note that Langley was totally left out of the study--even though there were Langley students who lived within a mile or two of South Lakes.
please note that Langley was totally left out of the study--even though there were Langley students who lived within a mile or two of South Lakes.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Googled It
()
Date: February 19, 2011 01:39PM
http://redapplemom.wordpress.com/
Worth the read
Worth the read
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
questioner
()
Date: February 19, 2011 01:55PM
http://centreville.patch.com/articles/fcps-board-heading-to-court-to-defend-charges-of-violating-open-meetings-foi-laws-2
The dates are different than the ones cited in the redapplemom story.
The dates are different than the ones cited in the redapplemom story.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
witch of SC
()
Date: February 19, 2011 02:15PM
This quote Bradsher made about being subpeoenaed made me LOL: "If I have to be in court, I have to be there," Bradsher said. "I want to know, when will the children matter? What are we doing all this for?"
She sat and listened to many school kids at the Clifon closing hearing, and still voted to close their school so she could win political favor. She cares NOTHING about kids outside of her own neighborhood and WSHS.
Just when I think she can't get any worse, she opens her mouth once again. I hope they taost her on the stand...
She sat and listened to many school kids at the Clifon closing hearing, and still voted to close their school so she could win political favor. She cares NOTHING about kids outside of her own neighborhood and WSHS.
Just when I think she can't get any worse, she opens her mouth once again. I hope they taost her on the stand...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
what about
()
Date: February 19, 2011 02:48PM
witch of SC Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This quote Bradsher made about being subpeoenaed
> made me LOL: "If I have to be in court, I have to
> be there," Bradsher said. "I want to know, when
> will the children matter? What are we doing all
> this for?"
>
> She sat and listened to many school kids at the
> Clifon closing hearing, and still voted to close
> their school so she could win political favor. She
> cares NOTHING about kids outside of her own
> neighborhood and WSHS.
>
> Just when I think she can't get any worse, she
> opens her mouth once again. I hope they taost her
> on the stand...
Too much - agreed! But what about when they ask her "Do you swear to tell the truth?"?
Picture the juvenile eye-rolling huffiness she is known for - and then the screeching "You can't HANDLE the truth!"
Her day has come.
-------------------------------------------------------
> This quote Bradsher made about being subpeoenaed
> made me LOL: "If I have to be in court, I have to
> be there," Bradsher said. "I want to know, when
> will the children matter? What are we doing all
> this for?"
>
> She sat and listened to many school kids at the
> Clifon closing hearing, and still voted to close
> their school so she could win political favor. She
> cares NOTHING about kids outside of her own
> neighborhood and WSHS.
>
> Just when I think she can't get any worse, she
> opens her mouth once again. I hope they taost her
> on the stand...
Too much - agreed! But what about when they ask her "Do you swear to tell the truth?"?
Picture the juvenile eye-rolling huffiness she is known for - and then the screeching "You can't HANDLE the truth!"
Her day has come.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
dd
()
Date: February 19, 2011 02:55PM
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
dd
()
Date: February 19, 2011 02:58PM
Sorry about the above posted link. Here is another version:
"The entire Fairfax County Public School Board and top FCPS officials have been subpoenaed by the Washington, DC based law firm Patton Boggs.
The focus of the subpoena concerns alleged violations of the Open Meeting Law and alleged violations of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) by Fairfax County Public School officials.
FCPS and Patton Boggs attorneys are appearing in Fairfax County court today to set a trial date. Under Virginia law, FOIA cases are required by statute to be heard in seven calendar days. The statute does not permit exceptions for weekends or holidays.
This case stems from last summer’s School Board vote to close Clifton elementary school – one of the county’s top performing elementary schools. School Board officials claimed renovations needed for the school were too costly and that it is cheaper in the long run to close the school. Several media outlets and the Fairfax Education Coalition called the School Board’s decision premature. Since the vote, FOIA’d documents and email communications between School Board members and FCPS officials have demonstrated serious flaws in the data used to close Clifton ES. "
"The entire Fairfax County Public School Board and top FCPS officials have been subpoenaed by the Washington, DC based law firm Patton Boggs.
The focus of the subpoena concerns alleged violations of the Open Meeting Law and alleged violations of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) by Fairfax County Public School officials.
FCPS and Patton Boggs attorneys are appearing in Fairfax County court today to set a trial date. Under Virginia law, FOIA cases are required by statute to be heard in seven calendar days. The statute does not permit exceptions for weekends or holidays.
This case stems from last summer’s School Board vote to close Clifton elementary school – one of the county’s top performing elementary schools. School Board officials claimed renovations needed for the school were too costly and that it is cheaper in the long run to close the school. Several media outlets and the Fairfax Education Coalition called the School Board’s decision premature. Since the vote, FOIA’d documents and email communications between School Board members and FCPS officials have demonstrated serious flaws in the data used to close Clifton ES. "
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not Langley
()
Date: February 19, 2011 03:02PM
zip Wrote:
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> Keep your bradsher off my Langley Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If this SB thinks they are going to drag
> Langley
> > into this SC mess, they are crazy. I know most
> of
> > the rabblerousers aren't running again, but
> we'll
> > make their lives miserable as long as they try
> and
> > live in this area. Here's a simple life lesson:
>
> > Don't screw with Langley and don't piss off the
> > parents. We can mess with you for decades just
> > for sport. Believe it. Not a threat.......a
> > promise.
>
>
> Wow. What is it like to think the world revolves
> around the Langley HS crowd? Do you have a
> problem using the toilet with your head up your
> ass?
No, but one might get shit in their hair and quite possibly their ears too.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Keep your bradsher off my Langley Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If this SB thinks they are going to drag
> Langley
> > into this SC mess, they are crazy. I know most
> of
> > the rabblerousers aren't running again, but
> we'll
> > make their lives miserable as long as they try
> and
> > live in this area. Here's a simple life lesson:
>
> > Don't screw with Langley and don't piss off the
> > parents. We can mess with you for decades just
> > for sport. Believe it. Not a threat.......a
> > promise.
>
>
> Wow. What is it like to think the world revolves
> around the Langley HS crowd? Do you have a
> problem using the toilet with your head up your
> ass?
No, but one might get shit in their hair and quite possibly their ears too.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Kathy's advice to VA Run
()
Date: February 19, 2011 03:57PM
http://www.fcps.edu/VirginiaRunES/ptaminutes.pdf
please read last page for Kathy's great advice on how best to get across your message to the school board........
please read last page for Kathy's great advice on how best to get across your message to the school board........
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
emails
()
Date: February 19, 2011 04:30PM
hah Wrote:
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> yeah Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > yeah...Langley HS is really, really REALLY
> > neglected.
>
> Langley is a dump right now. If WSHS jumps the
> queue, all your bosses up in Great Falls/Mclean
> are going to start firing the people from
> Springfield zip codes!
WSHS HAS already jumped the queue above Langley -it's jumping above everyone. Have you not read any of the FOIA emails?
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> yeah Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > yeah...Langley HS is really, really REALLY
> > neglected.
>
> Langley is a dump right now. If WSHS jumps the
> queue, all your bosses up in Great Falls/Mclean
> are going to start firing the people from
> Springfield zip codes!
WSHS HAS already jumped the queue above Langley -it's jumping above everyone. Have you not read any of the FOIA emails?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
larsen-y
()
Date: February 19, 2011 08:12PM
What was one of only three schools excluded from this BS?
BS being boundary study or bull sh--, it's all the same.
Oh, ya' - Sansgster.
Larsen is a tool. Bradsher is a tool. Smith is a tool. So are the rest.
Take your BS and shove it where the sun don't shine, cause you break those laws too.
Attachments:
BS being boundary study or bull sh--, it's all the same.
Oh, ya' - Sansgster.
Larsen is a tool. Bradsher is a tool. Smith is a tool. So are the rest.
Take your BS and shove it where the sun don't shine, cause you break those laws too.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
momof4boys
()
Date: February 19, 2011 09:01PM
I am really glad to hear that the lawsuit is back on. I am scared that it will come too late even if it goes well for the Clifton community and all the affected Fairfax County children. This whole process has been disgusting to watch and very upsetting for all the families involved. I hope that finally someone can get FCPS board members to be honest and open. Start over! Leave Clifton open! Admit you were wrong and find a better plan for the taxpayers you represent.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Election
()
Date: February 19, 2011 10:52PM
Kathy's advice to VA Run Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.fcps.edu/VirginiaRunES/ptaminutes.pdf
>
> please read last page for Kathy's great advice on
> how best to get across your message to the school
> board........
Here is real advice that you can actually use. Get somebody from Virginia Run to run against Kathy Smith in the next election. That is a message she might actually get. Everything else is a waste of time.
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.fcps.edu/VirginiaRunES/ptaminutes.pdf
>
> please read last page for Kathy's great advice on
> how best to get across your message to the school
> board........
Here is real advice that you can actually use. Get somebody from Virginia Run to run against Kathy Smith in the next election. That is a message she might actually get. Everything else is a waste of time.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not So Fast
()
Date: February 19, 2011 11:00PM
Fairfax County School Board
2011 Legislative Program
Freedom of Information Act
The Fairfax County School Board supports revision and amendment of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and companion regulations, such as those issued by the Library of Virginia regarding records retention, in order to achieve the appropriate balance between the considerable investment in time and money required for compliance and ensuring the people of the Commonwealth ready access to public records.
HA HA HA HA HA!
"in order to achieve the appropriate balance between the considerable investment in time and money required for compliance and ensuring the people of the Commonwealth ready access to public records."
Lock these people up in a rubber room - cuz, they done lost their minds!
talk about the fox watching the hen house! the very people who have been breaking the law {and we've seen the emails, so don't even say they haven't} want to have less compliance?
they haven't even responded to the ones they have received, and now they want to do even less?
me thinks thou doth protest too much.
locks are for honest people. criminals will break in no matter what. and now, we see, so will the school board if given the opportunity.
2011 Legislative Program
Freedom of Information Act
The Fairfax County School Board supports revision and amendment of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and companion regulations, such as those issued by the Library of Virginia regarding records retention, in order to achieve the appropriate balance between the considerable investment in time and money required for compliance and ensuring the people of the Commonwealth ready access to public records.
HA HA HA HA HA!
"in order to achieve the appropriate balance between the considerable investment in time and money required for compliance and ensuring the people of the Commonwealth ready access to public records."
Lock these people up in a rubber room - cuz, they done lost their minds!
talk about the fox watching the hen house! the very people who have been breaking the law {and we've seen the emails, so don't even say they haven't} want to have less compliance?
they haven't even responded to the ones they have received, and now they want to do even less?
me thinks thou doth protest too much.
locks are for honest people. criminals will break in no matter what. and now, we see, so will the school board if given the opportunity.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
VRES Victory
()
Date: February 19, 2011 11:14PM
VA Run Elementary PTA notes:
"Kathy supports Full Day Kindergarten in all schools, and specifically in schools where students who had it in their existing schools will be moved to a school with half day. Virginia Run is 1 of 3 schools where this scenario would take place. Enrollment projections reflect the impact of possible Full day Kindergarten at Virginia Run. There is no guarantee the funding will be available."
I am sorry. How many years (decades) has Kathy Smith been on FCPS' school board? Chairman nonetheless.
If she was all for full day K, where has she been?
Pretty damn convenient to all of a sudden be for it when she has never made it happen.
Bradsher = never made it happen either, though it was a major push. Again, convenient.
They haven't done squat and now their asses are up the flagpole because people have finally had it.
So, now they are "for" full day K?
I don't think so. They are years (decades) late and totally shortsighted.
Hardly what we need in the county anymore; VA Run and more are prepped to share a few insights - and the vote of no confidence isn't only on the boundary changes but coming in November too.
"Kathy supports Full Day Kindergarten in all schools, and specifically in schools where students who had it in their existing schools will be moved to a school with half day. Virginia Run is 1 of 3 schools where this scenario would take place. Enrollment projections reflect the impact of possible Full day Kindergarten at Virginia Run. There is no guarantee the funding will be available."
I am sorry. How many years (decades) has Kathy Smith been on FCPS' school board? Chairman nonetheless.
If she was all for full day K, where has she been?
Pretty damn convenient to all of a sudden be for it when she has never made it happen.
Bradsher = never made it happen either, though it was a major push. Again, convenient.
They haven't done squat and now their asses are up the flagpole because people have finally had it.
So, now they are "for" full day K?
I don't think so. They are years (decades) late and totally shortsighted.
Hardly what we need in the county anymore; VA Run and more are prepped to share a few insights - and the vote of no confidence isn't only on the boundary changes but coming in November too.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TiredTaxpayer
()
Date: February 19, 2011 11:38PM
VRES Victory Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> VA Run Elementary PTA notes:
> "Kathy supports Full Day Kindergarten in all
> schools, and specifically in schools where
> students who had it in their existing schools will
> be moved to a school with half day. Virginia Run
> is 1 of 3 schools where this scenario would take
> place. Enrollment projections reflect the impact
> of possible Full day Kindergarten at Virginia Run.
> There is no guarantee the funding will be
> available."
>
>
> I am sorry. How many years (decades) has Kathy
> Smith been on FCPS' school board? Chairman
> nonetheless.
> If she was all for full day K, where has she
> been?
>
> Pretty damn convenient to all of a sudden be for
> it when she has never made it happen.
>
> Bradsher = never made it happen either, though it
> was a major push. Again, convenient.
>
> They haven't done squat and now their asses are up
> the flagpole because people have finally had it.
> So, now they are "for" full day K?
>
> I don't think so. They are years (decades) late
> and totally shortsighted.
>
> Hardly what we need in the county anymore; VA Run
> and more are prepped to share a few insights - and
> the vote of no confidence isn't only on the
> boundary changes but coming in November too.
People have looked at this thread almost 21,000 times and posted close to 1,200 messages on it and this isn't the only thread. There are NUMEROUS threads on FFXU all relating to FCPS. The Board Members say they often "listen to the silence" yet they couldn't hear the silence from the Southwestern Boundary Public Hearing when few people showed. Why are there more people posting here instead of showing up at a Public Hearing -- because they have no confidence that the Board will listen to them anyway so they see no point in attending the Public Hearings.
Colin Powell once said "The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership."
This School Board has failed in their leadership because people no longer want to come to them. People have lost confidence in their leadership. More than half the PTA's have actually documented they don't have confidence. Still this Board does not care. We need to elect new Board Members in November. Kathy Smith and Liz Bradsher need to go.
-------------------------------------------------------
> VA Run Elementary PTA notes:
> "Kathy supports Full Day Kindergarten in all
> schools, and specifically in schools where
> students who had it in their existing schools will
> be moved to a school with half day. Virginia Run
> is 1 of 3 schools where this scenario would take
> place. Enrollment projections reflect the impact
> of possible Full day Kindergarten at Virginia Run.
> There is no guarantee the funding will be
> available."
>
>
> I am sorry. How many years (decades) has Kathy
> Smith been on FCPS' school board? Chairman
> nonetheless.
> If she was all for full day K, where has she
> been?
>
> Pretty damn convenient to all of a sudden be for
> it when she has never made it happen.
>
> Bradsher = never made it happen either, though it
> was a major push. Again, convenient.
>
> They haven't done squat and now their asses are up
> the flagpole because people have finally had it.
> So, now they are "for" full day K?
>
> I don't think so. They are years (decades) late
> and totally shortsighted.
>
> Hardly what we need in the county anymore; VA Run
> and more are prepped to share a few insights - and
> the vote of no confidence isn't only on the
> boundary changes but coming in November too.
People have looked at this thread almost 21,000 times and posted close to 1,200 messages on it and this isn't the only thread. There are NUMEROUS threads on FFXU all relating to FCPS. The Board Members say they often "listen to the silence" yet they couldn't hear the silence from the Southwestern Boundary Public Hearing when few people showed. Why are there more people posting here instead of showing up at a Public Hearing -- because they have no confidence that the Board will listen to them anyway so they see no point in attending the Public Hearings.
Colin Powell once said "The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership."
This School Board has failed in their leadership because people no longer want to come to them. People have lost confidence in their leadership. More than half the PTA's have actually documented they don't have confidence. Still this Board does not care. We need to elect new Board Members in November. Kathy Smith and Liz Bradsher need to go.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Rebuff
()
Date: February 19, 2011 11:55PM
Kathy's advice to VA Run Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.fcps.edu/VirginiaRunES/ptaminutes.pdf
>
> please read last page for Kathy's great advice on
> how best to get across your message to the school
> board........
Kathy's advice (translated) - please send us individual emails becuase it is easier than for us to conquer and divide and will also give us time to formulate a response to the public that will rebuff whatever point you are trying to make.
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.fcps.edu/VirginiaRunES/ptaminutes.pdf
>
> please read last page for Kathy's great advice on
> how best to get across your message to the school
> board........
Kathy's advice (translated) - please send us individual emails becuase it is easier than for us to conquer and divide and will also give us time to formulate a response to the public that will rebuff whatever point you are trying to make.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Observant Eye
()
Date: February 20, 2011 01:22AM
The caca is going to hit the fan now.
The General Assembly hardly seems sympathetic to the wailing and gnashing of teeth because FCPS finds compliance with Virginia's laws "too hard".
Attachments:
The General Assembly hardly seems sympathetic to the wailing and gnashing of teeth because FCPS finds compliance with Virginia's laws "too hard".
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Document Jockey
()
Date: February 20, 2011 02:12AM
Observant Eye Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The caca is going to hit the fan now.
>
> The General Assembly hardly seems sympathetic to
> the wailing and gnashing of teeth because FCPS
> finds compliance with Virginia's laws "too hard".
+1
HB 1457 Freedom of Information Act; violations and penalties.
log in | tally sheet
floor: 02/18/11 Senate: Constitutional reading dispensed (40-Y 0-N)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
YEAS--Barker, Blevins, Colgan, Deeds, Edwards, Hanger, Herring, Houck, Howell, Locke, Lucas, Marsden, Marsh, Martin, McDougle, McEachin, McWaters, Miller, J.C., Miller, Y.B., Newman, Norment, Northam, Obenshain, Petersen, Puckett, Puller, Quayle, Reynolds, Ruff, Saslaw, Smith, Stanley, Stosch, Stuart, Ticer, Vogel, Wagner, Wampler, Watkins, Whipple--40.
NAYS--0.
RULE 36--0.
NOT VOTING--0.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Legislative Information System | Bills & Resolutions
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> The caca is going to hit the fan now.
>
> The General Assembly hardly seems sympathetic to
> the wailing and gnashing of teeth because FCPS
> finds compliance with Virginia's laws "too hard".
+1
HB 1457 Freedom of Information Act; violations and penalties.
log in | tally sheet
floor: 02/18/11 Senate: Constitutional reading dispensed (40-Y 0-N)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
YEAS--Barker, Blevins, Colgan, Deeds, Edwards, Hanger, Herring, Houck, Howell, Locke, Lucas, Marsden, Marsh, Martin, McDougle, McEachin, McWaters, Miller, J.C., Miller, Y.B., Newman, Norment, Northam, Obenshain, Petersen, Puckett, Puller, Quayle, Reynolds, Ruff, Saslaw, Smith, Stanley, Stosch, Stuart, Ticer, Vogel, Wagner, Wampler, Watkins, Whipple--40.
NAYS--0.
RULE 36--0.
NOT VOTING--0.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Legislative Information System | Bills & Resolutions
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Atoms are Radioactive
()
Date: February 20, 2011 03:30PM
Anyone hear anything about Annandale? Just curious how Dean, Denise, and Jack plan on screwing up a good thing. Or is it the rest of the lot I should worry about? From looking at this discussion board, I cannot tell.
Does anyone here think the ad hoc process will succeed or that it is a sham? What about FPAC? Most of the postings here are old news, what does the future hold? Anyone have any thoughts?
Does anyone here think the ad hoc process will succeed or that it is a sham? What about FPAC? Most of the postings here are old news, what does the future hold? Anyone have any thoughts?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Animorpher
()
Date: February 20, 2011 05:57PM
This just in:
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Morning Vodka
()
Date: February 20, 2011 09:40PM
We are the ones who need our "Morning Vodka" after reading these.
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Say WHAT?!
()
Date: February 22, 2011 02:10AM
Hop on Pop.
What shall Liz do?
Attachments:
What shall Liz do?
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Crapamonga
()
Date: February 22, 2011 04:30PM
Hunton & Williams are the guys we pay to defend FCPS and the FCPS school board members?
At least they have experience. Just the wrong kind, it looks like.
Can't wait to see court results. Does anyone know if we can go and watch in person?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/14/AR2011021406281.html
"e-mails describe Hunton & Williams lawyer Bob Quackenboss as the "key client contact operationally" with the chamber and make references to a demonstration session that had "sold the Chamber in the first place."
The chamber has adamantly denied any knowledge of the "abhorrent" proposals, including some contained in a sample blueprint outlined for Hunton & Williams, a law and lobbying firm that works for the chamber. The business group said in a statement Monday that the proposal "was not requested by the Chamber, it was not delivered to the Chamber and it was never discussed with anyone at the Chamber."
At least they have experience. Just the wrong kind, it looks like.
Can't wait to see court results. Does anyone know if we can go and watch in person?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/14/AR2011021406281.html
"e-mails describe Hunton & Williams lawyer Bob Quackenboss as the "key client contact operationally" with the chamber and make references to a demonstration session that had "sold the Chamber in the first place."
The chamber has adamantly denied any knowledge of the "abhorrent" proposals, including some contained in a sample blueprint outlined for Hunton & Williams, a law and lobbying firm that works for the chamber. The business group said in a statement Monday that the proposal "was not requested by the Chamber, it was not delivered to the Chamber and it was never discussed with anyone at the Chamber."
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: February 23, 2011 12:51AM
Crapamonga Wrote:
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> Does anyone know if we can go and watch in person?
Yes, Circuit Court and General District Court sessions are open to the public normally. It would be extraordinary for one of those courtrooms to be closed, e.g., a child testifying re the sexual abuse they had suffered.
Juvenile and Domestic Relations ("JDR") Courts are normally closed when dealing with juvenile matters.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Does anyone know if we can go and watch in person?
Yes, Circuit Court and General District Court sessions are open to the public normally. It would be extraordinary for one of those courtrooms to be closed, e.g., a child testifying re the sexual abuse they had suffered.
Juvenile and Domestic Relations ("JDR") Courts are normally closed when dealing with juvenile matters.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
W/F/O & Furious
()
Date: February 23, 2011 03:27PM
One of the most outrageous things we have seen in this whole scandal.
WTW/Frost/Oak View fellow parents, our own School Board members who run their Zero Tolerance thuggery aren't even able to hold up to a standard which could expel students in the school system they manage!
The absolute depravity of these representatives is unlike anything we have ever seen.
No wonder it was so hard to fight the NPA.
Get heard. Now.
Attachments:
WTW/Frost/Oak View fellow parents, our own School Board members who run their Zero Tolerance thuggery aren't even able to hold up to a standard which could expel students in the school system they manage!
The absolute depravity of these representatives is unlike anything we have ever seen.
No wonder it was so hard to fight the NPA.
Get heard. Now.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
DanF
()
Date: February 23, 2011 03:53PM
a parent sent me this post and i can't believe my eyes
they have made our lives miserable fighting against the npa
now this?
how do we stop this?
just a parent, but now a really angry one
they have made our lives miserable fighting against the npa
now this?
how do we stop this?
just a parent, but now a really angry one
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
name calling
()
Date: February 23, 2011 04:08PM
These School Board members are classless thugs.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thug-away
()
Date: February 23, 2011 07:51PM
name calling Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> These School Board members are classless thugs.
+1
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> These School Board members are classless thugs.
+1
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Hone-y
()
Date: February 23, 2011 08:04PM
Tina should get a bronze star for dealing with these morons.
Fire them all.
Attachments:
Fire them all.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
comparing costs--interesting
()
Date: February 23, 2011 08:10PM
It is interesting to note that in the question following this one (too long to post here) the question asks about the cost of adding to the overcrowded schools. The answer is less than 16M--but that is "conservative and costs might go up". However, in the estimate for the current proposal which is over 18M--nothing is mentioned about that number being conservative and costs might go up.
Please explain, somebody!
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/8ECSX474C1C6/$file/SB%20Follow-up%20-%20no.%2011-47%20%20Southwestern%20Boundary%20Study%20-%20CORRECTED.pdf
QUESTION:
Staff to provide the number of seats that will be added with the proposed building additions (under staff’s recommendation) and the cost per additional student space.
RESPONSE:
The permanent and modular additions proposed in staff recommendation will create 828 additional seats. Based on $15 million total cost, cost per additional student space is the following: 15,000,000/828 = $18,116.
Please explain, somebody!
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/8ECSX474C1C6/$file/SB%20Follow-up%20-%20no.%2011-47%20%20Southwestern%20Boundary%20Study%20-%20CORRECTED.pdf
QUESTION:
Staff to provide the number of seats that will be added with the proposed building additions (under staff’s recommendation) and the cost per additional student space.
RESPONSE:
The permanent and modular additions proposed in staff recommendation will create 828 additional seats. Based on $15 million total cost, cost per additional student space is the following: 15,000,000/828 = $18,116.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FCPS corrections
()
Date: February 23, 2011 08:21PM
http://fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/faq.pdf
My favorite (page 80):
" The School Board and its professional construction staff manage
a $1.8 billion capital improvement program for FCPS facilities and are more than qualified to
assess the costs and benefits of these decisions."
If the staff is so capable why did they need 4 pages of corrections to a 7 page document?
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/8ECSX474C1C6/$file/SB%20Follow-up%20-%20no.%2011-47%20%20Southwestern%20Boundary%20Study%20-%20CORRECTED.pdf
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/8DXKJZ522C2B/$file/SB%20follow-up%20%2311-46%20-%20Southwest%20Boundary%20Study.pdf
My favorite (page 80):
" The School Board and its professional construction staff manage
a $1.8 billion capital improvement program for FCPS facilities and are more than qualified to
assess the costs and benefits of these decisions."
If the staff is so capable why did they need 4 pages of corrections to a 7 page document?
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/8ECSX474C1C6/$file/SB%20Follow-up%20-%20no.%2011-47%20%20Southwestern%20Boundary%20Study%20-%20CORRECTED.pdf
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/8DXKJZ522C2B/$file/SB%20follow-up%20%2311-46%20-%20Southwest%20Boundary%20Study.pdf
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Alphabet Soup
()
Date: February 23, 2011 08:42PM
trying so hard to convince a third man the error of his ways but to no avail. At that point the Fonda character says to him, "He can't hear you. He never will"
Truer words were never spoken. This school board can't hear you. Never will.
School Board, not true you say? Prove it tomorrow.
Vote NO and show us we are wrong about you.
schoolboardmembers@fcps.edu
______________________________________________________
From: Center, Brad (School Board Member) [BCenter@fcps.edu]
Sent: 8/24/2010 12:50:45 PM
To: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Recommendation for BOS Appeals Process
No you are taking the high road but there is a line from the movie 12 Angry Men that I think applies. At one point the character played by Henry Fonda turns to another man who is trying so hard to convince a third man the error of his ways but to no avail. At that point the Fonda character says to him, "He can't hear you. He never will"
Brad
________________________________________
From: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member)
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:19 PM
To: Center, Brad (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Recommendation for BOS Appeals Process
Yes. Did my e-mail sound like it was getting into the mud?
________________________________________
From: Center, Brad (School Board Member)
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:35 PM
To: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Recommendation for BOS Appeals Process
Didn't you recently warn me with something about pigs?
________________________________
From: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member)
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 2:58 PM
To: Farrell, Kim; Center, Brad (School Board Member); Storck, Dan (School Board Member); Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member); Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Strauss, Jane (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Hone, Tina (School Board Member); Reed, Patty (School Board Member); 'HunterMillBOSEmail@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Evans, Sandy (School Board Member); 'SupervisorMcKay@fairfaxcounty.gov'; 'SullyDistrictMichaelR.Frey@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Herrity, Pat; Cook, John; 'John.Foust@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Hudgins, Catherine; 'lee@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Gross, Penelope A.; 'mountvernon@fairfaxcounty.gov'; 'providence@fairfaxcounty.gov'; 'SharonBulova@fairfaxcounty.gov'
Subject: RE: Recommendation for BOS Appeals Process
August 22, 2010
Ms. Farrell,
I am writing to you as you live in Hunter Mill District. It appears that we have different views of the role of an elected official in a representative form of government. This does not mean that I do not listen to or hear the views of various constituent groups. It does mean, however, that I was elected to exercise independent judgment when making important decisions, taking into account not only the views of vocal constituents with a direct stake in the outcome, but also the greater interests of the entirety of Fairfax County and the children whom we serve. Perhaps the best iteration of this viewpoint is contained in an address from the conservative British politician and MP, Edmund Burke, to the Electors of Bristol, England, upon his election to Parliament in 1774. Here is a link to his speech: http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch13s7.html.
As for "appeals" from decisions of the School Board, in Virginia citizens have the same rights of appeal as they have from decisions of Boards of Supervisors and City Councils. And the Board of Supervisors does not have the authority to override or amend Virginia law on this subject.
Thank you for writing to express your views.
Stuart D. Gibson
School Board Member
Hunter Mill District
________________________________
From: Farrell, Kim [Kim.Farrell@occ.treas.gov]
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:28 PM
To: Center, Brad (School Board Member); Storck, Dan (School Board Member); Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member); Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Strauss, Jane (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Hone, Tina (School Board Member); Reed, Patty (School Board Member); 'HunterMillBOSEmail@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Evans, Sandy (School Board Member); Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member); 'SupervisorMcKay@fairfaxcounty.gov'; 'SullyDistrictMichaelR.Frey@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Herrity, Pat; Cook, John; 'John.Foust@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Hudgins, Catherine; 'lee@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Gross, Penelope A.; 'mountvernon@fairfaxcounty.gov'; 'providence@fairfaxcounty.gov'; 'SharonBulova@fairfaxcounty.gov'
Subject: Recommendation for BOS Appeals Process
August 21, 2010
Dear Honorable Board of Supervisors and School Board Members:
I am writing to share a recent set of editorials that highlight a deepening problem between taxpayers and the Fairfax County School Board.
Many School Board members have stopped “representing” their constituents, which is what these officials were elected to do. The two editorials below reflect what hundreds of parents and taxpayers have been protesting for years: a School Board that promotes “listening to the silence.”
When the School Board makes a decision, there is no appeals process, as is found in other school jurisdictions around the country. Therefore, the only recourse is through the costly court system. This does not serve the best interest of county residents and their tax dollars.
Given that the majority of School Board members do not listen to the people that elected them, perhaps it is time for the Board of Supervisors to create an appeals process that will address this very serious problem affecting Fairfax County.
Thank you for “listening.”
Kim Farrell
443-257-3220 Cell
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=343698&paper=62&cat=110
The Connection Newspapers, Thursday, August 19, 2010
To the Editor:
I am writing in response to the recent letter submitted by school board members Mr. Gibson and Ms. Wilson (July 29, 2010) . I was truly appalled reading such pontificating by elected officials. Clearly it is a sad commentary on our current political scene that our "representatives" have forgotten the definition of "representative." I would like to address several parts of their treatise.
First, they mention they were elected to make the best decisions for our children and not to listen to the people who elected them. I elect representatives to represent me and the best interests of my community. Not because I think they know better or are smarter than I am. Those people are appointed, not elected.
Mr. Gibson and Ms. Wilson talk about listening to the silence. Listening to the silence is the same as ignoring the opinion of everyone else. Don’t pretend you were listening to anyone, you weren’t.
Mr. Gibson and Ms. Wilson talk about the personal attacks school board members incurred. I am not gong to defend these attacks but let me tell you a little bit about motivation. Ms. Bradsher is a school board member who I personally liked. Members of the community told me she lied to them and changed stories every time they talked to her. I did not believe them. I asked her about what she needed to hear to change her opinion on closing Clifton Elementary. She told me she needed to hear from members of the community who did not have children there and ways to bring down the cost per pupil for the renovation. We provided both of these at the public forums and she not only was not swayed by them but ignored them, like they were never important anyway. Then at the final vote she told the audience "Don’t worry your children will be OK: but it sounded more like "Don’t worry little country bumpkins, we city folk know what’s best." Is it any wonder some people got a little angry?
This board has no humility and no respect for the people they represent. This letter plainly showed that. It was embarrassing for me to even read. For a public servant to lash out at the people they represent in such a callous fashion. I urge every voter in Fairfax County to take back these appointed "representatives" and elect anyone running against them. They brag about the great level of academics they are bringing to our county and that achievement is all that matters. Well Japan has a similar standard and it is no surprise it also has one of the world’s highest suicide rates. I have four college degrees. I certainly understand academic excellence. I wish the members of this board did. I am not convinced they have a clue in what really motivates kids to be good students. Sense of community, belonging, traditions, clearly outdated in this group’s mind. Mr. Gibson and Ms. Wilson, your board made a clearly arbitrary and capricious decision in closing Clifton without an alternative school planned. You never listened to one word in those public forums and never responded to a single argument presented at them.
Lastly, Mr. Gibson and Ms. Wilson mention they were so brave to stand up to the rich and powerful by closing Clifton. Well folks, the rich and powerful do not go to Clifton Elementary, they go to Nysmith. You want to stand up to them try closing that school.
Dr. Matthew Brooks
Ag-Chem Consulting
Clifton
Truer words were never spoken. This school board can't hear you. Never will.
School Board, not true you say? Prove it tomorrow.
Vote NO and show us we are wrong about you.
schoolboardmembers@fcps.edu
______________________________________________________
From: Center, Brad (School Board Member) [BCenter@fcps.edu]
Sent: 8/24/2010 12:50:45 PM
To: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Recommendation for BOS Appeals Process
No you are taking the high road but there is a line from the movie 12 Angry Men that I think applies. At one point the character played by Henry Fonda turns to another man who is trying so hard to convince a third man the error of his ways but to no avail. At that point the Fonda character says to him, "He can't hear you. He never will"
Brad
________________________________________
From: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member)
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:19 PM
To: Center, Brad (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Recommendation for BOS Appeals Process
Yes. Did my e-mail sound like it was getting into the mud?
________________________________________
From: Center, Brad (School Board Member)
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:35 PM
To: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Recommendation for BOS Appeals Process
Didn't you recently warn me with something about pigs?
________________________________
From: Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member)
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 2:58 PM
To: Farrell, Kim; Center, Brad (School Board Member); Storck, Dan (School Board Member); Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member); Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Strauss, Jane (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Hone, Tina (School Board Member); Reed, Patty (School Board Member); 'HunterMillBOSEmail@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Evans, Sandy (School Board Member); 'SupervisorMcKay@fairfaxcounty.gov'; 'SullyDistrictMichaelR.Frey@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Herrity, Pat; Cook, John; 'John.Foust@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Hudgins, Catherine; 'lee@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Gross, Penelope A.; 'mountvernon@fairfaxcounty.gov'; 'providence@fairfaxcounty.gov'; 'SharonBulova@fairfaxcounty.gov'
Subject: RE: Recommendation for BOS Appeals Process
August 22, 2010
Ms. Farrell,
I am writing to you as you live in Hunter Mill District. It appears that we have different views of the role of an elected official in a representative form of government. This does not mean that I do not listen to or hear the views of various constituent groups. It does mean, however, that I was elected to exercise independent judgment when making important decisions, taking into account not only the views of vocal constituents with a direct stake in the outcome, but also the greater interests of the entirety of Fairfax County and the children whom we serve. Perhaps the best iteration of this viewpoint is contained in an address from the conservative British politician and MP, Edmund Burke, to the Electors of Bristol, England, upon his election to Parliament in 1774. Here is a link to his speech: http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch13s7.html.
As for "appeals" from decisions of the School Board, in Virginia citizens have the same rights of appeal as they have from decisions of Boards of Supervisors and City Councils. And the Board of Supervisors does not have the authority to override or amend Virginia law on this subject.
Thank you for writing to express your views.
Stuart D. Gibson
School Board Member
Hunter Mill District
________________________________
From: Farrell, Kim [Kim.Farrell@occ.treas.gov]
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:28 PM
To: Center, Brad (School Board Member); Storck, Dan (School Board Member); Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member); Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Strauss, Jane (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Hone, Tina (School Board Member); Reed, Patty (School Board Member); 'HunterMillBOSEmail@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Evans, Sandy (School Board Member); Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member); 'SupervisorMcKay@fairfaxcounty.gov'; 'SullyDistrictMichaelR.Frey@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Herrity, Pat; Cook, John; 'John.Foust@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Hudgins, Catherine; 'lee@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Gross, Penelope A.; 'mountvernon@fairfaxcounty.gov'; 'providence@fairfaxcounty.gov'; 'SharonBulova@fairfaxcounty.gov'
Subject: Recommendation for BOS Appeals Process
August 21, 2010
Dear Honorable Board of Supervisors and School Board Members:
I am writing to share a recent set of editorials that highlight a deepening problem between taxpayers and the Fairfax County School Board.
Many School Board members have stopped “representing” their constituents, which is what these officials were elected to do. The two editorials below reflect what hundreds of parents and taxpayers have been protesting for years: a School Board that promotes “listening to the silence.”
When the School Board makes a decision, there is no appeals process, as is found in other school jurisdictions around the country. Therefore, the only recourse is through the costly court system. This does not serve the best interest of county residents and their tax dollars.
Given that the majority of School Board members do not listen to the people that elected them, perhaps it is time for the Board of Supervisors to create an appeals process that will address this very serious problem affecting Fairfax County.
Thank you for “listening.”
Kim Farrell
443-257-3220 Cell
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=343698&paper=62&cat=110
The Connection Newspapers, Thursday, August 19, 2010
To the Editor:
I am writing in response to the recent letter submitted by school board members Mr. Gibson and Ms. Wilson (July 29, 2010) . I was truly appalled reading such pontificating by elected officials. Clearly it is a sad commentary on our current political scene that our "representatives" have forgotten the definition of "representative." I would like to address several parts of their treatise.
First, they mention they were elected to make the best decisions for our children and not to listen to the people who elected them. I elect representatives to represent me and the best interests of my community. Not because I think they know better or are smarter than I am. Those people are appointed, not elected.
Mr. Gibson and Ms. Wilson talk about listening to the silence. Listening to the silence is the same as ignoring the opinion of everyone else. Don’t pretend you were listening to anyone, you weren’t.
Mr. Gibson and Ms. Wilson talk about the personal attacks school board members incurred. I am not gong to defend these attacks but let me tell you a little bit about motivation. Ms. Bradsher is a school board member who I personally liked. Members of the community told me she lied to them and changed stories every time they talked to her. I did not believe them. I asked her about what she needed to hear to change her opinion on closing Clifton Elementary. She told me she needed to hear from members of the community who did not have children there and ways to bring down the cost per pupil for the renovation. We provided both of these at the public forums and she not only was not swayed by them but ignored them, like they were never important anyway. Then at the final vote she told the audience "Don’t worry your children will be OK: but it sounded more like "Don’t worry little country bumpkins, we city folk know what’s best." Is it any wonder some people got a little angry?
This board has no humility and no respect for the people they represent. This letter plainly showed that. It was embarrassing for me to even read. For a public servant to lash out at the people they represent in such a callous fashion. I urge every voter in Fairfax County to take back these appointed "representatives" and elect anyone running against them. They brag about the great level of academics they are bringing to our county and that achievement is all that matters. Well Japan has a similar standard and it is no surprise it also has one of the world’s highest suicide rates. I have four college degrees. I certainly understand academic excellence. I wish the members of this board did. I am not convinced they have a clue in what really motivates kids to be good students. Sense of community, belonging, traditions, clearly outdated in this group’s mind. Mr. Gibson and Ms. Wilson, your board made a clearly arbitrary and capricious decision in closing Clifton without an alternative school planned. You never listened to one word in those public forums and never responded to a single argument presented at them.
Lastly, Mr. Gibson and Ms. Wilson mention they were so brave to stand up to the rich and powerful by closing Clifton. Well folks, the rich and powerful do not go to Clifton Elementary, they go to Nysmith. You want to stand up to them try closing that school.
Dr. Matthew Brooks
Ag-Chem Consulting
Clifton
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Burke Baby
()
Date: February 23, 2011 08:58PM
Alphabet Soup Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr. Gibson and Ms. Wilson talk about listening to
> the silence. Listening to the silence is the same
> as ignoring the opinion of everyone else. Don’t
> pretend you were listening to anyone, you
> weren’t.
>
> Mr. Gibson and Ms. Wilson talk about the personal
> attacks school board members incurred.
> You never listened to one word in those
> public forums and never responded to a single
> argument presented at them.
Will a conscience be gained?
Tomorrow will show.
Vegas odds - (Gate)house wins.
Almost wish it to beg the state to come in and rake them over the coals.
And force Dale out.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr. Gibson and Ms. Wilson talk about listening to
> the silence. Listening to the silence is the same
> as ignoring the opinion of everyone else. Don’t
> pretend you were listening to anyone, you
> weren’t.
>
> Mr. Gibson and Ms. Wilson talk about the personal
> attacks school board members incurred.
> You never listened to one word in those
> public forums and never responded to a single
> argument presented at them.
Will a conscience be gained?
Tomorrow will show.
Vegas odds - (Gate)house wins.
Almost wish it to beg the state to come in and rake them over the coals.
And force Dale out.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Told you so
()
Date: February 24, 2011 02:49AM
Mayor had it right.
___________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
Sent: 6/10/2010 3:48:20 PM
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Save our school! We're not playing nice anymore.
It is truly unreal. I think of Graham Rd and those people who had so little in material items---yet they are far better off than these residents in so many ways.
It is so very disappointing to witness such mean emotion.
________________________________________
From: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thu Jun 10 15:45:34 2010
Subject: RE: Save our school! We're not playing nice anymore.
I think this is unacceptable. They want to make it personal to bully people. We need to make a decision based on information, not emotion, yet for the Clifton people, it is all emotion.
Kathy
________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 3:08 PM
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Subject: FW: Save our school! We're not playing nice anymore.
Did you happen to see this?
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________________
From: Mayorofcliftonva@aol.com [mailto:Mayorofcliftonva@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:57 PM
To: mayorofcliftonva@aol.com
Subject: Save our school! We're not playing nice anymore.
Dear Friends,
There has been a Clifton School in the exact same location for over 100 years and the Fairfax County Public School System is recommending closing it for purely political reasons and I hope you feel the same anger I do. Political reasons"? Why else would closing the school even be an option. Our only community school is one of the highest ranked elementary schools in Fairfax County and the entire Washington Metropolitan Area and they want to close it??? Clifton Elementary School should be the model for all elementary schools!
The School Board Member from our District, Liz Bradsher, has done absolutely nothing for us in fighting to keep Clifton Elementary. My pleas to her about how losing the school would devastate this community fell on deaf ears. Any skillful School Board Member would have convinced colleagues that the thought of closing a model school school was a bad idea. The Community Engagement Process Ms. Bradsher created was an absolute farce, just so it could be said, "Well, everyone participated and it was decided to go with the decision that was made last year."(Read the Feasibility Study if you don't think the decision was made last year!) My apologies to all those dedicated citizens who donated (and wasted) so much of their time. If you question if this was a farce or not, read all the rules that were imposed on the group. Here is the scenario I expect: Ms. Bradsher votes "no" to closing the school, knowing she can tell everyone in our community, "I voted to keep CES open" while all the time she did nothing to save the only thing that brings this community together. The alternate scenario my be she votes "no" because she resents the opinions of the Mayor but that wouldn't say much about her character, would it?
The following are some things you might not realize that come with closing CES.
1. A FIFTH school added to the congestion on Union Mill Road. The proposal replaces an (approximately 400 capacity facility with a 550 capacity facility. Does that make sense for the amount of money being spent?
2. Redistricting of the schools in the immediate area, including where students may go to High School. How does this effect your family?
3. Your quality of life, if you live in the Clifton School District, will change forever. Imagine how many ways it will change.
What can you do? Get involved! Pass this message to everyone in the impacted areas. Attend the School Board Meetings listed below and get others to come. Make signs to be seen. Bring your children. Be as incensed as I am and let FCPS and the School Board know you are angry. Let them know you are really angry.
I have more but that will come in a day or two.
Blessings,
Tom Peterson
Mayor, Town of Clifton
___________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
Sent: 6/10/2010 3:48:20 PM
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Save our school! We're not playing nice anymore.
It is truly unreal. I think of Graham Rd and those people who had so little in material items---yet they are far better off than these residents in so many ways.
It is so very disappointing to witness such mean emotion.
________________________________________
From: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thu Jun 10 15:45:34 2010
Subject: RE: Save our school! We're not playing nice anymore.
I think this is unacceptable. They want to make it personal to bully people. We need to make a decision based on information, not emotion, yet for the Clifton people, it is all emotion.
Kathy
________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 3:08 PM
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Subject: FW: Save our school! We're not playing nice anymore.
Did you happen to see this?
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________________
From: Mayorofcliftonva@aol.com [mailto:Mayorofcliftonva@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:57 PM
To: mayorofcliftonva@aol.com
Subject: Save our school! We're not playing nice anymore.
Dear Friends,
There has been a Clifton School in the exact same location for over 100 years and the Fairfax County Public School System is recommending closing it for purely political reasons and I hope you feel the same anger I do. Political reasons"? Why else would closing the school even be an option. Our only community school is one of the highest ranked elementary schools in Fairfax County and the entire Washington Metropolitan Area and they want to close it??? Clifton Elementary School should be the model for all elementary schools!
The School Board Member from our District, Liz Bradsher, has done absolutely nothing for us in fighting to keep Clifton Elementary. My pleas to her about how losing the school would devastate this community fell on deaf ears. Any skillful School Board Member would have convinced colleagues that the thought of closing a model school school was a bad idea. The Community Engagement Process Ms. Bradsher created was an absolute farce, just so it could be said, "Well, everyone participated and it was decided to go with the decision that was made last year."(Read the Feasibility Study if you don't think the decision was made last year!) My apologies to all those dedicated citizens who donated (and wasted) so much of their time. If you question if this was a farce or not, read all the rules that were imposed on the group. Here is the scenario I expect: Ms. Bradsher votes "no" to closing the school, knowing she can tell everyone in our community, "I voted to keep CES open" while all the time she did nothing to save the only thing that brings this community together. The alternate scenario my be she votes "no" because she resents the opinions of the Mayor but that wouldn't say much about her character, would it?
The following are some things you might not realize that come with closing CES.
1. A FIFTH school added to the congestion on Union Mill Road. The proposal replaces an (approximately 400 capacity facility with a 550 capacity facility. Does that make sense for the amount of money being spent?
2. Redistricting of the schools in the immediate area, including where students may go to High School. How does this effect your family?
3. Your quality of life, if you live in the Clifton School District, will change forever. Imagine how many ways it will change.
What can you do? Get involved! Pass this message to everyone in the impacted areas. Attend the School Board Meetings listed below and get others to come. Make signs to be seen. Bring your children. Be as incensed as I am and let FCPS and the School Board know you are angry. Let them know you are really angry.
I have more but that will come in a day or two.
Blessings,
Tom Peterson
Mayor, Town of Clifton
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not a pretty visual
()
Date: February 24, 2011 05:45AM
Your esteemed representative
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Fed Up in LRR
()
Date: February 24, 2011 08:16AM
THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE!
NOW WE KNOW WHY SHE IS THE SCB!!!
Attachments:
NOW WE KNOW WHY SHE IS THE SCB!!!
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Big Bully
()
Date: February 24, 2011 08:31AM
Wow - that last email truly shows her colors. Bullying other board members because they listen to the public. How many others has Liz bullied?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
muddle
()
Date: February 24, 2011 08:48AM
The overwhelming attitude Liz Bradsher projects is that only SHE knows what's best. Only her plan is the right one. Anyone who disagrees with her or sees another possibility is to be steamrollered over, shut down, disparaged, and ignored.
Her elected position really went to her head. She does not seem to be very intelligent, either.
Her elected position really went to her head. She does not seem to be very intelligent, either.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
kiddiecommuter
()
Date: February 24, 2011 09:04AM
Fed Up in LRR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE!
>
> NOW WE KNOW WHY SHE IS THE SCB!!!
This one makes me want to puke.
It really is as bad as everyone said.
-------------------------------------------------------
> THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE!
>
> NOW WE KNOW WHY SHE IS THE SCB!!!
This one makes me want to puke.
It really is as bad as everyone said.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Disparaged
()
Date: February 24, 2011 09:31AM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [mailto:ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:19 AM
To: lkadler@cox.net
Subject: Re:
I have problems getting internet and emails down here. I don't get everything so not able to see all.
I know a lot to do on my return -- I will continue with a sensible reasoned approach.
Rob Jones appears driven by emotion. Spent hours with him and others--I told him facts would be important--they chose to ride with Herrity. Rob lives about 2.5 miles from Willow Springs ES and 4-5 miles from Clifton ES. This is not about education for him and others, rather about appearances and perceived lifestyles.
My article runs today.
I have to hang in there and appreciate your support!!!!! The silence from others is deafening---I think you know what that means!!!
Liz
________________________________________
From: Lisa Adler
To: kvkalland@aol.com ; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); 'Rob Robertory'
Sent: Thu Jul 15 07:37:45 2010
Subject:
Rob Jones is on the warpath and I wrote a note of response to Herrity’s little newsletter update. Two lines of my two cents.
I’m going to send the newsletter to Sharon Bulova’s office so they can see how runaway one of their supes is.
Lisa Adler
Unified Prevention Coalition; Support on Suspension program in Lorton
Home/Work/Fax: (703) 690-6808
Cell: (571) 278-9766
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To: lkadler@cox.net
Subject: Re:
I have problems getting internet and emails down here. I don't get everything so not able to see all.
I know a lot to do on my return -- I will continue with a sensible reasoned approach.
Rob Jones appears driven by emotion. Spent hours with him and others--I told him facts would be important--they chose to ride with Herrity. Rob lives about 2.5 miles from Willow Springs ES and 4-5 miles from Clifton ES. This is not about education for him and others, rather about appearances and perceived lifestyles.
My article runs today.
I have to hang in there and appreciate your support!!!!! The silence from others is deafening---I think you know what that means!!!
Liz
________________________________________
From: Lisa Adler
To: kvkalland@aol.com ; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); 'Rob Robertory'
Sent: Thu Jul 15 07:37:45 2010
Subject:
Rob Jones is on the warpath and I wrote a note of response to Herrity’s little newsletter update. Two lines of my two cents.
I’m going to send the newsletter to Sharon Bulova’s office so they can see how runaway one of their supes is.
Lisa Adler
Unified Prevention Coalition; Support on Suspension program in Lorton
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Grossed Out Granny
()
Date: February 24, 2011 09:55AM
There is no dispute that this official did not tell the truth.
Her own words condemn her, so now the rest of us just need to confirm it.
Tell them you do not believe such behavior is acceptable and to stop permitting her to vote and make decisions. She should remain in exile the rest of her term.
"Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)"
"Raney, Jim (School Board Member)"
"Evans, Sandy (School Board Member)"
"Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member)"
"Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)"
"Hone, Tina (School Board Member)"
"Storck, Dan (School Board Member)"
"Center, Brad (School Board Member)"
"Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)"
"Strauss, Jane (School Board Member)"
"Reed, Patty (School Board Member)"
"Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)"
Attachments:
Her own words condemn her, so now the rest of us just need to confirm it.
Tell them you do not believe such behavior is acceptable and to stop permitting her to vote and make decisions. She should remain in exile the rest of her term.
"Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)"
"Raney, Jim (School Board Member)"
"Evans, Sandy (School Board Member)"
"Gibson, Stuart (School Board Member)"
"Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)"
"Hone, Tina (School Board Member)"
"Storck, Dan (School Board Member)"
"Center, Brad (School Board Member)"
"Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)"
"Strauss, Jane (School Board Member)"
"Reed, Patty (School Board Member)"
"Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)"
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: February 24, 2011 10:01AM
Fed Up in LRR Wrote:
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> THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE!
>
> NOW WE KNOW WHY SHE IS THE SCB!!!
Is this for real?!
Every time you think Liz Bradsher can't be any dumber and more self-absorbed, something else surfaces that proves that you were wrong.
"Yeah, we should talk." Classic.
Get this imbecile out of office!!
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> THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE!
>
> NOW WE KNOW WHY SHE IS THE SCB!!!
Is this for real?!
Every time you think Liz Bradsher can't be any dumber and more self-absorbed, something else surfaces that proves that you were wrong.
"Yeah, we should talk." Classic.
Get this imbecile out of office!!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
UFB
()
Date: February 24, 2011 10:02AM
Unfuckingbelievable!
I hope to hell everyone reading and posting on here plans to show up at Luther Jackson tonight and express your opinions to the School Board. This shit has got to stop. Who the hell do these people think they are. I understand Elizabeth Bradsher made some remarks that since there were only 54 speakers at the public hearing for this boundary study, everyone must be okay with the changes. Bullshit lady! Nobody showed up at the public hearing because you all are too busy listening to the silence anyway so why the hell bother to show up. It doesn't do any good anyway!
It's time to show these arrogant assholes just how many people are tired of them listening to the silence. I'd love to see 500 or more people show up. I'd love to see their faces if that happened.
I hope that everyone on here shows up tonight at Luther Jackson. The only way this school board is ever going to "listen" is to force them to listen. 500+ people can make alot of noise.
I hope to hell everyone reading and posting on here plans to show up at Luther Jackson tonight and express your opinions to the School Board. This shit has got to stop. Who the hell do these people think they are. I understand Elizabeth Bradsher made some remarks that since there were only 54 speakers at the public hearing for this boundary study, everyone must be okay with the changes. Bullshit lady! Nobody showed up at the public hearing because you all are too busy listening to the silence anyway so why the hell bother to show up. It doesn't do any good anyway!
It's time to show these arrogant assholes just how many people are tired of them listening to the silence. I'd love to see 500 or more people show up. I'd love to see their faces if that happened.
I hope that everyone on here shows up tonight at Luther Jackson. The only way this school board is ever going to "listen" is to force them to listen. 500+ people can make alot of noise.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
History
()
Date: February 24, 2011 11:40AM
UFB Wrote:
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> Unfuckingbelievable!
>
> I hope to hell everyone reading and posting on
> here plans to show up at Luther Jackson tonight
> and express your opinions to the School Board.
> This shit has got to stop. Who the hell do these
> people think they are. I understand Elizabeth
> Bradsher made some remarks that since there were
> only 54 speakers at the public hearing for this
> boundary study, everyone must be okay with the
> changes. Bullshit lady! Nobody showed up at the
> public hearing because you all are too busy
> listening to the silence anyway so why the hell
> bother to show up. It doesn't do any good
> anyway!
>
> It's time to show these arrogant assholes just how
> many people are tired of them listening to the
> silence. I'd love to see 500 or more people show
> up. I'd love to see their faces if that happened.
>
>
> I hope that everyone on here shows up tonight at
> Luther Jackson. The only way this school board is
> ever going to "listen" is to force them to listen.
> 500+ people can make alot of noise.
They had hundreds of people show up at the South Lakes redistricting and the Board did not care. It is just that now we have seen a pattern with them by watching things like that for the last couple of years during their tenure so people have figured them out. The Board has already made up their minds. They will just use whatever they can to try and justify whatever they are already planning on doing just as Liz is now trying to say that everyone is okay because a lot of people did not show. When someone representing 12 PTAs shows up and says they are against it you would think that would mean something, but you notice how Liz blew that off?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Unfuckingbelievable!
>
> I hope to hell everyone reading and posting on
> here plans to show up at Luther Jackson tonight
> and express your opinions to the School Board.
> This shit has got to stop. Who the hell do these
> people think they are. I understand Elizabeth
> Bradsher made some remarks that since there were
> only 54 speakers at the public hearing for this
> boundary study, everyone must be okay with the
> changes. Bullshit lady! Nobody showed up at the
> public hearing because you all are too busy
> listening to the silence anyway so why the hell
> bother to show up. It doesn't do any good
> anyway!
>
> It's time to show these arrogant assholes just how
> many people are tired of them listening to the
> silence. I'd love to see 500 or more people show
> up. I'd love to see their faces if that happened.
>
>
> I hope that everyone on here shows up tonight at
> Luther Jackson. The only way this school board is
> ever going to "listen" is to force them to listen.
> 500+ people can make alot of noise.
They had hundreds of people show up at the South Lakes redistricting and the Board did not care. It is just that now we have seen a pattern with them by watching things like that for the last couple of years during their tenure so people have figured them out. The Board has already made up their minds. They will just use whatever they can to try and justify whatever they are already planning on doing just as Liz is now trying to say that everyone is okay because a lot of people did not show. When someone representing 12 PTAs shows up and says they are against it you would think that would mean something, but you notice how Liz blew that off?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
tartre
()
Date: February 24, 2011 01:32PM
Read and weep and laugh:
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=348555&paper=81&cat=104
Bradsher May Switch Parties
School Board member considers joining Democratic Party.
By Julia O'Donoghue
Thursday, February 24, 2011 Bookmark and Share
Fairfax County School Board Member Elizabeth Bradsher (Springfield) is considering joining the Democratic Party and attended a recent meeting of the Springfield District Democratic Committee, she said in an interview.
The School Board office is nonpartisan, but the Fairfax County Republican Committee endorsed Bradsher when she ran for the School Board in 2007. Since then, Bradsher said she has had a fall out with some Springfield Republicans, particularly Supervisor Patrick Herrity (R-Springfield).
Over the past two years, Herrity has questioned how the School Board allocates money within the Fairfax County Public Schools system. He has also fought the closing of Clifton Elementary School, a proposal that Bradsher backed.
Bradsher has repeatedly said that Herrity has spread misinformation to the public about Clifton's closing.
"I really don't like the leadership of the Springfield District at this time. It lacks integrity and courage," said Bradsher of why she was considering joining the Democratic Party.
Bradsher is contemplating a run against Herrity for the Springfield supervisor seat as a Democrat this year. She said she would make a final decision whether to jump into the race in the next two weeks, following the School Board's vote on the county's southwestern elementary school boundary study Feb. 24.
If Bradsher decides to run for School Board again, it may also be beneficial for her to join the Democratic Party.
A Republican Party activist, Clifton resident Elizabeth Schultz, has said she will run for Bradsher's School Board seat in November. Bradsher would likely have a fight with Schultz on her hands for the Republican endorsement for School Board.
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=348555&paper=81&cat=104
Bradsher May Switch Parties
School Board member considers joining Democratic Party.
By Julia O'Donoghue
Thursday, February 24, 2011 Bookmark and Share
Fairfax County School Board Member Elizabeth Bradsher (Springfield) is considering joining the Democratic Party and attended a recent meeting of the Springfield District Democratic Committee, she said in an interview.
The School Board office is nonpartisan, but the Fairfax County Republican Committee endorsed Bradsher when she ran for the School Board in 2007. Since then, Bradsher said she has had a fall out with some Springfield Republicans, particularly Supervisor Patrick Herrity (R-Springfield).
Over the past two years, Herrity has questioned how the School Board allocates money within the Fairfax County Public Schools system. He has also fought the closing of Clifton Elementary School, a proposal that Bradsher backed.
Bradsher has repeatedly said that Herrity has spread misinformation to the public about Clifton's closing.
"I really don't like the leadership of the Springfield District at this time. It lacks integrity and courage," said Bradsher of why she was considering joining the Democratic Party.
Bradsher is contemplating a run against Herrity for the Springfield supervisor seat as a Democrat this year. She said she would make a final decision whether to jump into the race in the next two weeks, following the School Board's vote on the county's southwestern elementary school boundary study Feb. 24.
If Bradsher decides to run for School Board again, it may also be beneficial for her to join the Democratic Party.
A Republican Party activist, Clifton resident Elizabeth Schultz, has said she will run for Bradsher's School Board seat in November. Bradsher would likely have a fight with Schultz on her hands for the Republican endorsement for School Board.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
tartre
()
Date: February 24, 2011 01:41PM
My favorite quotes form the Connection article:
Bradsher has repeatedly said that Herrity has spread misinformation to the public about Clifton's closing."I really don't like the leadership of the Springfield District at this time. It lacks integrity and courage," said Bradsher of why she was considering joining the Democratic Party.
I have witnessed Bradsher in action on the SB for the past 4 years. She has performed her duties in an unprofessional and unethical manner more often than not. She is disparaging and dismissive of her constituent, as well as of some of her fellow board members. So sad that we have someone of this caliber on our school board. I am embarrassed for our school system and community. Please, please, please, Springfield Dems and Fairfax County Democratic Committee, please tell her thanks, but NO thanks.
Bradsher has repeatedly said that Herrity has spread misinformation to the public about Clifton's closing."I really don't like the leadership of the Springfield District at this time. It lacks integrity and courage," said Bradsher of why she was considering joining the Democratic Party.
I have witnessed Bradsher in action on the SB for the past 4 years. She has performed her duties in an unprofessional and unethical manner more often than not. She is disparaging and dismissive of her constituent, as well as of some of her fellow board members. So sad that we have someone of this caliber on our school board. I am embarrassed for our school system and community. Please, please, please, Springfield Dems and Fairfax County Democratic Committee, please tell her thanks, but NO thanks.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: February 24, 2011 01:51PM
UFB Wrote:
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>
> I hope to hell everyone reading and posting on
> here plans to show up at Luther Jackson tonight
> and express your opinions to the School Board.
Huge game at the Patriot Center tonight, Mason v Northeastern. Love to go to the SB meeting, but priorities dictate otherwise.
They won't listen anyway. May as well enjoy a good BBall game.
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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
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>
> I hope to hell everyone reading and posting on
> here plans to show up at Luther Jackson tonight
> and express your opinions to the School Board.
Huge game at the Patriot Center tonight, Mason v Northeastern. Love to go to the SB meeting, but priorities dictate otherwise.
They won't listen anyway. May as well enjoy a good BBall game.
-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Gowrath
()
Date: February 24, 2011 03:39PM
Notice that the "Connection" article on Bradsher includes no response from Pat Herrity, or even any indication that he was contacted by the author to seek a response to Bradsher's blather. This comes as no surprise. The "Connection" is a left-wing publication that is little more than a Democrat party mouthpiece. Now that Bradsher is reinventing herself as a Democrat, look for this rag to do everything it can to rehabilitate her currently toxic image --starting with this one-sided article.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
tartre
()
Date: February 24, 2011 04:36PM
I'm an Independent so I don't have a partisan dog in this fight. The reporter has been following FCPS business for years and she is familiar with the players, so I think she has done a good job of letting Bradsher show her true colors. IHO, and having read the Connection for years, I don't see a Dem (or R) slant. Just sayin'. Pat Herrity gets plenty of space in the Connection, so I'm not worried about him getting an opportunity to reply to Brasher. I hope he does.
The main point is not to get distracted: focus on what Bradsher
is quoted saying in the article. I've followed Bradsher's political "career"and she comes off as true to form in this article. She throws fellow Republican Herrity under the bus and wants to become a D? Is that the sort of team player the D's want? Surely they aren't that desperate for someone on the ballot v. Herrity. He will clean her clock and I know that it won't be just R's and I's voting for Herrity if Bradsher is on the ballot.
The main point is not to get distracted: focus on what Bradsher
is quoted saying in the article. I've followed Bradsher's political "career"and she comes off as true to form in this article. She throws fellow Republican Herrity under the bus and wants to become a D? Is that the sort of team player the D's want? Surely they aren't that desperate for someone on the ballot v. Herrity. He will clean her clock and I know that it won't be just R's and I's voting for Herrity if Bradsher is on the ballot.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FCDC Chick
()
Date: February 24, 2011 06:57PM
Gowrath Wrote:
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> Notice that the "Connection" article on Bradsher
> includes no response from Pat Herrity, or even any
> indication that he was contacted by the author to
> seek a response to Bradsher's blather. This comes
> as no surprise. The "Connection" is a left-wing
> publication that is little more than a Democrat
> party mouthpiece. Now that Bradsher is
> reinventing herself as a Democrat, look for this
> rag to do everything it can to rehabilitate her
> currently toxic image --starting with this
> one-sided article.
N-E-V-E-R. FCDC is quite familiar with Liz and there is no love lossed. But just in case, I will vote for Herrity if she runs as a Dem.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Notice that the "Connection" article on Bradsher
> includes no response from Pat Herrity, or even any
> indication that he was contacted by the author to
> seek a response to Bradsher's blather. This comes
> as no surprise. The "Connection" is a left-wing
> publication that is little more than a Democrat
> party mouthpiece. Now that Bradsher is
> reinventing herself as a Democrat, look for this
> rag to do everything it can to rehabilitate her
> currently toxic image --starting with this
> one-sided article.
N-E-V-E-R. FCDC is quite familiar with Liz and there is no love lossed. But just in case, I will vote for Herrity if she runs as a Dem.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: February 24, 2011 07:18PM
tartre Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm an Independent so I don't have a partisan dog
> in this fight. The reporter has been following
> FCPS business for years and she is familiar with
> the players, so I think she has done a good job of
> letting Bradsher show her true colors. IHO, and
> having read the Connection for years, I don't see
> a Dem (or R) slant. Just sayin'. Pat Herrity gets
> plenty of space in the Connection, so I'm not
> worried about him getting an opportunity to reply
> to Brasher. I hope he does.
>
> The main point is not to get distracted: focus on
> what Bradsher
> is quoted saying in the article. I've followed
> Bradsher's political "career"and she comes off as
> true to form in this article. She throws fellow
> Republican Herrity under the bus and wants to
> become a D? Is that the sort of team player the
> D's want? Surely they aren't that desperate for
> someone on the ballot v. Herrity. He will clean
> her clock and I know that it won't be just R's and
> I's voting for Herrity if Bradsher is on the
> ballot.
+1
Any publication that interviews Bradsher for attribution does a public service by underscoring how egotistical and ignorant she is.
There's no need to have a partisan slant or bias one way or the other. Just quoting her does the trick.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm an Independent so I don't have a partisan dog
> in this fight. The reporter has been following
> FCPS business for years and she is familiar with
> the players, so I think she has done a good job of
> letting Bradsher show her true colors. IHO, and
> having read the Connection for years, I don't see
> a Dem (or R) slant. Just sayin'. Pat Herrity gets
> plenty of space in the Connection, so I'm not
> worried about him getting an opportunity to reply
> to Brasher. I hope he does.
>
> The main point is not to get distracted: focus on
> what Bradsher
> is quoted saying in the article. I've followed
> Bradsher's political "career"and she comes off as
> true to form in this article. She throws fellow
> Republican Herrity under the bus and wants to
> become a D? Is that the sort of team player the
> D's want? Surely they aren't that desperate for
> someone on the ballot v. Herrity. He will clean
> her clock and I know that it won't be just R's and
> I's voting for Herrity if Bradsher is on the
> ballot.
+1
Any publication that interviews Bradsher for attribution does a public service by underscoring how egotistical and ignorant she is.
There's no need to have a partisan slant or bias one way or the other. Just quoting her does the trick.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Hot Air
()
Date: February 24, 2011 07:26PM
Dane Bramage Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> UFB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > I hope to hell everyone reading and posting on
> > here plans to show up at Luther Jackson tonight
> > and express your opinions to the School Board.
>
> Huge game at the Patriot Center tonight, Mason v
> Northeastern. Love to go to the SB meeting, but
> priorities dictate otherwise.
>
> They won't listen anyway. May as well enjoy a good
> BBall game.
Just tuned in and the room is empty!
-------------------------------------------------------
> UFB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > I hope to hell everyone reading and posting on
> > here plans to show up at Luther Jackson tonight
> > and express your opinions to the School Board.
>
> Huge game at the Patriot Center tonight, Mason v
> Northeastern. Love to go to the SB meeting, but
> priorities dictate otherwise.
>
> They won't listen anyway. May as well enjoy a good
> BBall game.
Just tuned in and the room is empty!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I tuned in too
()
Date: February 24, 2011 07:34PM
Right now it is boring watching the SB meeting. I think MANY in Fairfax are just tired. The SB will never change.
I think that is why you see the SB so happy that so few have shown up at the meeting. If we could just get them to stop laughing. Yuck.
PS I think Jack Dale is getting fat. Ha ha
I think that is why you see the SB so happy that so few have shown up at the meeting. If we could just get them to stop laughing. Yuck.
PS I think Jack Dale is getting fat. Ha ha
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
channel 21
()
Date: February 24, 2011 08:28PM
The SB members really don't think the opinion of the public matters.
Reed, Evans, Hone, and Moon get it.
November can't come fast enough.
Reed, Evans, Hone, and Moon get it.
November can't come fast enough.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Stu
()
Date: February 24, 2011 08:46PM
Stu's comments.
He doesn't think that PTA's should get involved in boundary studies.
Smith's amendment for all day K's in the receiving schools failed. Can't believe people believed her! She's good at that. I don't think she even voted for the amendment. She will bring it up again in the Spring I guess.
He doesn't think that PTA's should get involved in boundary studies.
Smith's amendment for all day K's in the receiving schools failed. Can't believe people believed her! She's good at that. I don't think she even voted for the amendment. She will bring it up again in the Spring I guess.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Tessie
()
Date: February 24, 2011 08:48PM
Tessie: Clifton didn't affect boundary study. Only 3 schools are getting kids from Clifton. (Forget about the dominoes--they don't count, I guess.)
How dumb does she really think we are?
How dumb does she really think we are?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
fit for nothing
()
Date: February 24, 2011 08:57PM
Other than Reed and Hone, the SB reps aren't fit to serve me a glass of water.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SB watcher
()
Date: February 24, 2011 09:01PM
The sB keeps telling us how much better this process is than the past. IT"S THE SAME! The cosmetics are just different. On paper, it may be better, but the result is terrible. The result is still what they wanted to do in the first place. That's all they care about--trying to convince the public that they had input when they really didn't.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
good fiscal steward?
()
Date: February 24, 2011 09:14PM
Smith and Bradsher are the most heinous public officials in history.
Gibson makes the triumverate.
Gibson makes the triumverate.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Voted-expelled
()
Date: February 24, 2011 09:26PM
They just expelled three more students tonight. Let's hope they do not kill themselves. If so I will blame the SB.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Big Brother
()
Date: February 24, 2011 09:41PM
Stu got Fox Mill PTA involved in West County redistricting. Had them conduct a phony survey - "Do you want to all move together, or do you want to split the nieghborhood in half?"
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
ditto head
()
Date: February 25, 2011 07:18AM
good fiscal steward? Wrote:
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> Smith and Bradsher are the most heinous public
> officials in history.
> Gibson makes the triumverate.
+1
-------------------------------------------------------
> Smith and Bradsher are the most heinous public
> officials in history.
> Gibson makes the triumverate.
+1
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Contract
()
Date: February 26, 2011 11:33AM
In contract law somebody makes an OFFER and somebody ACCEPTS it and something is exchanged. Liz made an OFFER to become a Board Member to the public and the terms of that contract were that she promoted community schools (remember her campaign?). The public ACCEPTED her offer by voting her in. She receives money for being in that position - the amount is irrelevant (this is what she agreed too).
If this were contract law, she has violated her contract. That is ultimately the core issue is that many people feel.
Something else is that in contract law Silence DOES NOT mean acceptance. People not showing up at the Public Hearing DOES NOT mean they accept this. Also, being silent on the real reason (moving WSHS up the queue by closing Clifton) was not acceptable.
If this were contract law, she has violated her contract. That is ultimately the core issue is that many people feel.
Something else is that in contract law Silence DOES NOT mean acceptance. People not showing up at the Public Hearing DOES NOT mean they accept this. Also, being silent on the real reason (moving WSHS up the queue by closing Clifton) was not acceptable.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Too Much Legal, Please
()
Date: February 26, 2011 12:15PM
Contract Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> In contract law somebody makes an OFFER and
> somebody ACCEPTS it and something is exchanged.
> Liz made an OFFER to become a Board Member to the
> public and the terms of that contract were that
> she promoted community schools (remember her
> campaign?). The public ACCEPTED her offer by
> voting her in. She receives money for being in
> that position - the amount is irrelevant (this is
> what she agreed too).
>
> If this were contract law, she has violated her
> contract. That is ultimately the core issue is
> that many people feel.
>
> Something else is that in contract law Silence
> DOES NOT mean acceptance. People not showing up
> at the Public Hearing DOES NOT mean they accept
> this. Also, being silent on the real reason
> (moving WSHS up the queue by closing Clifton) was
> not acceptable.
That's kind of awkward. There's no contract here, apart from what could be described as a "social contract." The damages for the breach of the social contract aren't monetary, but rather (one might hope) the loss of her seat on the School Board this November.
-------------------------------------------------------
> In contract law somebody makes an OFFER and
> somebody ACCEPTS it and something is exchanged.
> Liz made an OFFER to become a Board Member to the
> public and the terms of that contract were that
> she promoted community schools (remember her
> campaign?). The public ACCEPTED her offer by
> voting her in. She receives money for being in
> that position - the amount is irrelevant (this is
> what she agreed too).
>
> If this were contract law, she has violated her
> contract. That is ultimately the core issue is
> that many people feel.
>
> Something else is that in contract law Silence
> DOES NOT mean acceptance. People not showing up
> at the Public Hearing DOES NOT mean they accept
> this. Also, being silent on the real reason
> (moving WSHS up the queue by closing Clifton) was
> not acceptable.
That's kind of awkward. There's no contract here, apart from what could be described as a "social contract." The damages for the breach of the social contract aren't monetary, but rather (one might hope) the loss of her seat on the School Board this November.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz is done
()
Date: February 26, 2011 12:25PM
Too Much Legal, Please Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> That's kind of awkward. There's no contract here,
> apart from what could be described as a "social
> contract." The damages for the breach of the
> social contract aren't monetary, but rather (one
> might hope) the loss of her seat on the School
> Board this November.
Heard she wasn't running. K. Smith has already said she's not either. No way Smith gets any votes from Virginia Run anymore, so she'd be toast anyway. If Bradsher stood a chance, she'd run. She must know the jig is up. Hopefully, the lawsuit can stop any moves until after the new board gets elected and this thing can get the true scrutiny it deserves. No need to rush this. Very mysterious why this had to be done this year. I suspect the building of a new school at the Liberty site has contractors lining someone's pocket(s).
-------------------------------------------------------
> That's kind of awkward. There's no contract here,
> apart from what could be described as a "social
> contract." The damages for the breach of the
> social contract aren't monetary, but rather (one
> might hope) the loss of her seat on the School
> Board this November.
Heard she wasn't running. K. Smith has already said she's not either. No way Smith gets any votes from Virginia Run anymore, so she'd be toast anyway. If Bradsher stood a chance, she'd run. She must know the jig is up. Hopefully, the lawsuit can stop any moves until after the new board gets elected and this thing can get the true scrutiny it deserves. No need to rush this. Very mysterious why this had to be done this year. I suspect the building of a new school at the Liberty site has contractors lining someone's pocket(s).
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: February 26, 2011 01:26PM
K. Smith is running for re-election. Otherwise her campaign manager, Velkoff, wouldn't be running at large but for the Sully seat instead.
Bradsher has announced that she is not running for re-election but is trying to get into a challenge against Herrity as a Democrat. FCDC will turn down her application. Though she doesn't need to join FCDC to run and win a Democratic primary, especially if no one else files to run in the August primary.
Bradsher has announced that she is not running for re-election but is trying to get into a challenge against Herrity as a Democrat. FCDC will turn down her application. Though she doesn't need to join FCDC to run and win a Democratic primary, especially if no one else files to run in the August primary.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz is done
()
Date: February 26, 2011 01:31PM
Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> K. Smith is running for re-election. Otherwise her
> campaign manager, Velkoff, wouldn't be running at
> large but for the Sully seat instead.
>
> Bradsher has announced that she is not running for
> re-election but is trying to get into a challenge
> against Herrity as a Democrat. FCDC will turn
> down her application. Though she doesn't need to
> join FCDC to run and win a Democratic primary,
> especially if no one else files to run in the
> August primary.
Heard from a couple of teachers that K. Smith has told her staff that she's tired of this and not running. We'll see.
-------------------------------------------------------
> K. Smith is running for re-election. Otherwise her
> campaign manager, Velkoff, wouldn't be running at
> large but for the Sully seat instead.
>
> Bradsher has announced that she is not running for
> re-election but is trying to get into a challenge
> against Herrity as a Democrat. FCDC will turn
> down her application. Though she doesn't need to
> join FCDC to run and win a Democratic primary,
> especially if no one else files to run in the
> August primary.
Heard from a couple of teachers that K. Smith has told her staff that she's tired of this and not running. We'll see.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: February 26, 2011 01:44PM
Liz is done Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Heard from a couple of teachers that K. Smith has told her staff that she's tired of this and not running.<
What staff? School board members don't have staff.
But from your keyboard to God's ear.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Heard from a couple of teachers that K. Smith has told her staff that she's tired of this and not running.<
What staff? School board members don't have staff.
But from your keyboard to God's ear.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz is done
()
Date: February 26, 2011 02:11PM
Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz is done Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Heard from a couple of teachers that K. Smith
> has told her staff that she's tired of this and
> not running.<
>
> What staff? School board members don't have
> staff.
>
> But from your keyboard to God's ear.
Just passing along what I've been told. As I said, we'll see soon enough. And I believe that they all have assistants.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz is done Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Heard from a couple of teachers that K. Smith
> has told her staff that she's tired of this and
> not running.<
>
> What staff? School board members don't have
> staff.
>
> But from your keyboard to God's ear.
Just passing along what I've been told. As I said, we'll see soon enough. And I believe that they all have assistants.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Yes
()
Date: February 26, 2011 02:51PM
They do have assistants. I called and got the assistant.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
StartNow
()
Date: February 26, 2011 03:39PM
Kathy for Virginia. Do not give up Kathy you make use proud. Ignore the Clifton folks who dont know enough is enough. You did right for the most children.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To start now
()
Date: February 26, 2011 03:55PM
Did your school close?. Please STFU.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Kathy for Virginia?!?!
()
Date: February 26, 2011 04:18PM
Ewwww!!!!
You must be on drugs!
You must be on drugs!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FLES'r
()
Date: February 26, 2011 08:54PM
Yes Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> They do have assistants. I called and got the
> assistant.
I believe Smith has an ass-is-tant (tant pis, peut-être).
Thanks and au revoir, Charwoman Smith. Leave out the i for indignation.
-------------------------------------------------------
> They do have assistants. I called and got the
> assistant.
I believe Smith has an ass-is-tant (tant pis, peut-être).
Thanks and au revoir, Charwoman Smith. Leave out the i for indignation.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not gonna do it
()
Date: February 26, 2011 09:01PM
StartNow Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Kathy for Virginia. Do not give up Kathy you make
> use proud. Ignore the Clifton folks who dont know
> enough is enough. You did right for the most
> children.
You make "use" proud?
That is perfect.
User.
Abuser.
Refuser.
Excuser.
LaaaaUSER.
Kathy,"You did right?"
Truly an inspiring spokesperson, you are.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Kathy for Virginia. Do not give up Kathy you make
> use proud. Ignore the Clifton folks who dont know
> enough is enough. You did right for the most
> children.
You make "use" proud?
That is perfect.
User.
Abuser.
Refuser.
Excuser.
LaaaaUSER.
Kathy,"You did right?"
Truly an inspiring spokesperson, you are.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bart
()
Date: February 26, 2011 09:13PM
Kathy you are a lowlife gutter dwelling pig who abused your authority and prostituted your position. Please ignore your ignorant supporters, they are as useless, soulless and stupid as you are.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: February 26, 2011 11:27PM
Yes Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> They do have assistants. I called and got the assistant.<
Assistants are secretaries which the Sb members share; two SBs to a secretary.
"Staff" are folks with substantive ability not clerical duties like secretaries. SB members have no staff.
-------------------------------------------------------
> They do have assistants. I called and got the assistant.<
Assistants are secretaries which the Sb members share; two SBs to a secretary.
"Staff" are folks with substantive ability not clerical duties like secretaries. SB members have no staff.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Any updates?
()
Date: February 27, 2011 06:24AM
Does anyone have updates about the subpoena of FCPS school board members?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
updates
()
Date: February 27, 2011 07:44AM
Any updates? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Does anyone have updates about the subpoena of
> FCPS school board members?
I have found that www.redapplemom.com seems to be a good place to get really current updates on various things related to FCPS so I signed up to receive their email notifications. This was the most recent email:
Fairfax County Judge Denies Emergency Motion to Quash Subpoenas
Red Apple Mom | February 26, 2011 at 12:18 am
Lawyers duked it out Friday in a pre-trial hearing about allegations that the Fairfax County School Board violated the Open Meetings Law and the Freedom of Information Act.
Round One (Friday) – Determining Who Will Testify:
Attorneys representing FCPS entered the courtroom Friday morning determined to quash the plaintiff’s subpoenas for the full School Board and four FCPS top-level staff to personally appear at the trial next week.
FCPS’ attorney told the judge that the subpoenas amounted to harassment of the School Board, adding that it would be a hardship for School Board members to appear at a day-long trial next week. He stated that School Board is only a part-time position and most Members have jobs.
For a moment, it appeared that FCPS’ attorney had the judge convinced on that point. But then the plaintiff’s attorney spoke saying, “It is up to FCPS to prove this is harassment. It is up to FCPS to prove it is burdensome. He hasn’t said why it is burdensome for them to come when we have juries that sit in that jury box for days.”
That got the judge’s attention. Final decision - the judge said having all 12 School Boards attend the trial was excessive. Only six will appear.
The six School Board members and four FCPS administrators who will appear in court and may be called to testify at next Wednesday’s trial include School Board Members Liz Bradsher, Tessie Wilson, Kathy Smith, Sandy Evans, Tina Hone, Patty Reed and Jim Rainey. The FCPS Staff witnesses are: Dean Tistadt-Chief Operating Officer, Paul Regnier-Communications Spokesman , Pam Goddard-Clerk to the School Board, and Sara Kolb-Communications Department.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Does anyone have updates about the subpoena of
> FCPS school board members?
I have found that www.redapplemom.com seems to be a good place to get really current updates on various things related to FCPS so I signed up to receive their email notifications. This was the most recent email:
Fairfax County Judge Denies Emergency Motion to Quash Subpoenas
Red Apple Mom | February 26, 2011 at 12:18 am
Lawyers duked it out Friday in a pre-trial hearing about allegations that the Fairfax County School Board violated the Open Meetings Law and the Freedom of Information Act.
Round One (Friday) – Determining Who Will Testify:
Attorneys representing FCPS entered the courtroom Friday morning determined to quash the plaintiff’s subpoenas for the full School Board and four FCPS top-level staff to personally appear at the trial next week.
FCPS’ attorney told the judge that the subpoenas amounted to harassment of the School Board, adding that it would be a hardship for School Board members to appear at a day-long trial next week. He stated that School Board is only a part-time position and most Members have jobs.
For a moment, it appeared that FCPS’ attorney had the judge convinced on that point. But then the plaintiff’s attorney spoke saying, “It is up to FCPS to prove this is harassment. It is up to FCPS to prove it is burdensome. He hasn’t said why it is burdensome for them to come when we have juries that sit in that jury box for days.”
That got the judge’s attention. Final decision - the judge said having all 12 School Boards attend the trial was excessive. Only six will appear.
The six School Board members and four FCPS administrators who will appear in court and may be called to testify at next Wednesday’s trial include School Board Members Liz Bradsher, Tessie Wilson, Kathy Smith, Sandy Evans, Tina Hone, Patty Reed and Jim Rainey. The FCPS Staff witnesses are: Dean Tistadt-Chief Operating Officer, Paul Regnier-Communications Spokesman , Pam Goddard-Clerk to the School Board, and Sara Kolb-Communications Department.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
updates
()
Date: February 27, 2011 07:50AM
updates Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Any updates? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Does anyone have updates about the subpoena of
> > FCPS school board members?
>
>
> I have found that www.redapplemom.com seems to be
> a good place to get really current updates on
> various things related to FCPS so I signed up to
> receive their email notifications. This was the
> most recent email:
>
>
> Fairfax County Judge Denies Emergency Motion to
> Quash Subpoenas
> Red Apple Mom | February 26, 2011 at 12:18 am
>
> Lawyers duked it out Friday in a pre-trial hearing
> about allegations that the Fairfax County School
> Board violated the Open Meetings Law and the
> Freedom of Information Act.
>
> Round One (Friday) – Determining Who Will
> Testify:
>
> Attorneys representing FCPS entered the courtroom
> Friday morning determined to quash the
> plaintiff’s subpoenas for the full School Board
> and four FCPS top-level staff to personally appear
> at the trial next week.
>
> FCPS’ attorney told the judge that the subpoenas
> amounted to harassment of the School Board, adding
> that it would be a hardship for School Board
> members to appear at a day-long trial next week.
> He stated that School Board is only a part-time
> position and most Members have jobs.
>
> For a moment, it appeared that FCPS’ attorney
> had the judge convinced on that point. But then
> the plaintiff’s attorney spoke saying, “It is
> up to FCPS to prove this is harassment. It is up
> to FCPS to prove it is burdensome. He hasn’t
> said why it is burdensome for them to come when we
> have juries that sit in that jury box for
> days.”
>
> That got the judge’s attention. Final decision
> - the judge said having all 12 School Boards
> attend the trial was excessive. Only six will
> appear.
>
> The six School Board members and four FCPS
> administrators who will appear in court and may be
> called to testify at next Wednesday’s trial
> include School Board Members Liz Bradsher, Tessie
> Wilson, Kathy Smith, Sandy Evans, Tina Hone, Patty
> Reed and Jim Rainey. The FCPS Staff witnesses
> are: Dean Tistadt-Chief Operating Officer, Paul
> Regnier-Communications Spokesman , Pam
> Goddard-Clerk to the School Board, and Sara
> Kolb-Communications Department.
Here is the link with all of the recent events and email signup.
http://redapplemom.wordpress.com/
-------------------------------------------------------
> Any updates? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Does anyone have updates about the subpoena of
> > FCPS school board members?
>
>
> I have found that www.redapplemom.com seems to be
> a good place to get really current updates on
> various things related to FCPS so I signed up to
> receive their email notifications. This was the
> most recent email:
>
>
> Fairfax County Judge Denies Emergency Motion to
> Quash Subpoenas
> Red Apple Mom | February 26, 2011 at 12:18 am
>
> Lawyers duked it out Friday in a pre-trial hearing
> about allegations that the Fairfax County School
> Board violated the Open Meetings Law and the
> Freedom of Information Act.
>
> Round One (Friday) – Determining Who Will
> Testify:
>
> Attorneys representing FCPS entered the courtroom
> Friday morning determined to quash the
> plaintiff’s subpoenas for the full School Board
> and four FCPS top-level staff to personally appear
> at the trial next week.
>
> FCPS’ attorney told the judge that the subpoenas
> amounted to harassment of the School Board, adding
> that it would be a hardship for School Board
> members to appear at a day-long trial next week.
> He stated that School Board is only a part-time
> position and most Members have jobs.
>
> For a moment, it appeared that FCPS’ attorney
> had the judge convinced on that point. But then
> the plaintiff’s attorney spoke saying, “It is
> up to FCPS to prove this is harassment. It is up
> to FCPS to prove it is burdensome. He hasn’t
> said why it is burdensome for them to come when we
> have juries that sit in that jury box for
> days.”
>
> That got the judge’s attention. Final decision
> - the judge said having all 12 School Boards
> attend the trial was excessive. Only six will
> appear.
>
> The six School Board members and four FCPS
> administrators who will appear in court and may be
> called to testify at next Wednesday’s trial
> include School Board Members Liz Bradsher, Tessie
> Wilson, Kathy Smith, Sandy Evans, Tina Hone, Patty
> Reed and Jim Rainey. The FCPS Staff witnesses
> are: Dean Tistadt-Chief Operating Officer, Paul
> Regnier-Communications Spokesman , Pam
> Goddard-Clerk to the School Board, and Sara
> Kolb-Communications Department.
Here is the link with all of the recent events and email signup.
http://redapplemom.wordpress.com/
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Great job so far
()
Date: February 27, 2011 09:01AM
Thank you to all the people who are working on this.
Finding it very hard to be sympathetic to school board members who would claim this is a hardship to show up. If they would have been kept their conduct clean and ETHICAL, and then this would not have happened. If this is what it takes, so be it.
Finding it very hard to be sympathetic to school board members who would claim this is a hardship to show up. If they would have been kept their conduct clean and ETHICAL, and then this would not have happened. If this is what it takes, so be it.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mommy Lion
()
Date: February 27, 2011 10:16AM
Lovely and ethical conduct by the School Board about a perfectly polite and respectful request from a leader in the Clifton community.
-----------------------------------
From: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member) [jtwilson@fcps.edu]
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/1/2010 2:21:33 PM
Subject: FW: SW Regional Planning Study Committee/Clifton Elem
These people are relentless. Do you want to meet with them?
Tessie Wilson
Vice Chairman
School Board Member
Braddock District
-----Original Message-----
From: Patti Hopkins
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 1:28 PM
To: Partlow, Kathy
Cc: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: SW Regional Planning Study Committee/Clifton Elem
Thank you Kathy.
I would like to then go ahead and get on her calendar for some time during the third or fourth week of June when she may have more availability. I can meet her at Gatehouse, or an alternate site of her convenience.
Patti Hopkins
---- "Partlow wrote:
Hi Patti,
I spoke with Tessie and unfortunately her calendar is "jammed" for the first two weeks in June. Tessie asked me to let you know that during the June 10, 2010 meeting, the SW Regional Planning Study Committee will be announced as an action item only, there will not be a vote. The vote will take place in July, 2010, so hopefully there will be a chance for you to meet with Tessie before then..
Kathy Partlow
Executive Administrative Assistant to:
Tessie Wilson, Vice Chairman Braddock District
Brad Center, Lee District
Tina Hone, Member At Large
Phone: 571-423-1064
Fax: 571-423-1067
-----Original Message-----
From: Patti Hopkins
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:53 PM
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Cc: Kinney, Joann V.; Partlow, Kathy; Shimer, Andrea
Subject: SW Regional Planning Study Committee/Clifton Elem
Ms Smith and Ms Wilson,
I am trying to coordinate a meeting with you both and 2-3 folks from the Clifton Elementary School community the first week of June. We would like to discuss the findings of the SW Regional Planning Study Committee and the potential impact those findings will have on Clifton Elementary School and the community. I have been working with Joanne and Kathy to find some time in your schedules. If the first week of June won't work for you then I will ask for the second week but definitely before the June 10 meeting.
In order to expedite our wish to meet with all School Board members I am hoping we can find a date and time that works for everyone. The members of the Clifton community can meet you at Gatehouse or an alternate location that may be more convenient for you.
Thank you,
Patti Hopkins
PTA President
Clifton Elementary School
-----------------------------------
From: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member) [jtwilson@fcps.edu]
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/1/2010 2:21:33 PM
Subject: FW: SW Regional Planning Study Committee/Clifton Elem
These people are relentless. Do you want to meet with them?
Tessie Wilson
Vice Chairman
School Board Member
Braddock District
-----Original Message-----
From: Patti Hopkins
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 1:28 PM
To: Partlow, Kathy
Cc: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: SW Regional Planning Study Committee/Clifton Elem
Thank you Kathy.
I would like to then go ahead and get on her calendar for some time during the third or fourth week of June when she may have more availability. I can meet her at Gatehouse, or an alternate site of her convenience.
Patti Hopkins
---- "Partlow wrote:
Hi Patti,
I spoke with Tessie and unfortunately her calendar is "jammed" for the first two weeks in June. Tessie asked me to let you know that during the June 10, 2010 meeting, the SW Regional Planning Study Committee will be announced as an action item only, there will not be a vote. The vote will take place in July, 2010, so hopefully there will be a chance for you to meet with Tessie before then..
Kathy Partlow
Executive Administrative Assistant to:
Tessie Wilson, Vice Chairman Braddock District
Brad Center, Lee District
Tina Hone, Member At Large
Phone: 571-423-1064
Fax: 571-423-1067
-----Original Message-----
From: Patti Hopkins
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:53 PM
To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Cc: Kinney, Joann V.; Partlow, Kathy; Shimer, Andrea
Subject: SW Regional Planning Study Committee/Clifton Elem
Ms Smith and Ms Wilson,
I am trying to coordinate a meeting with you both and 2-3 folks from the Clifton Elementary School community the first week of June. We would like to discuss the findings of the SW Regional Planning Study Committee and the potential impact those findings will have on Clifton Elementary School and the community. I have been working with Joanne and Kathy to find some time in your schedules. If the first week of June won't work for you then I will ask for the second week but definitely before the June 10 meeting.
In order to expedite our wish to meet with all School Board members I am hoping we can find a date and time that works for everyone. The members of the Clifton community can meet you at Gatehouse or an alternate location that may be more convenient for you.
Thank you,
Patti Hopkins
PTA President
Clifton Elementary School
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Clearly
()
Date: February 27, 2011 11:10AM
Clearly, it is way too much trouble for school board members like Liz and Tessie to have to actually LISTEN to the people they represent. Far easier to just follow their own ill-planned agenda!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Disgusted Beyond Words
()
Date: February 27, 2011 11:26AM
Mommy Lion Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lovely and ethical conduct by the School Board
> about a perfectly polite and respectful request
> from a leader in the Clifton community.
>
>
> -----------------------------------
> From: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
> To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
> CC:
> BCC:
> Sent: 6/1/2010 2:21:33 PM
> Subject: FW: SW Regional Planning Study
> Committee/Clifton Elem
>
>
> These people are relentless. Do you want to meet
> with them?
>
> Tessie Wilson
> Vice Chairman
> School Board Member
> Braddock District
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patti Hopkins
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 1:28 PM
> To: Partlow, Kathy
> Cc: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
> Subject: RE: SW Regional Planning Study
> Committee/Clifton Elem
>
> Thank you Kathy.
>
> I would like to then go ahead and get on her
> calendar for some time during the third or fourth
> week of June when she may have more availability.
> I can meet her at Gatehouse, or an alternate site
> of her convenience.
>
> Patti Hopkins
> ---- "Partlow wrote:
> Hi Patti,
>
> I spoke with Tessie and unfortunately her
> calendar is "jammed" for the first two weeks in
> June. Tessie asked me to let you know that during
> the June 10, 2010 meeting, the SW Regional
> Planning Study Committee will be announced as an
> action item only, there will not be a vote. The
> vote will take place in July, 2010, so hopefully
> there will be a chance for you to meet with Tessie
> before then..
>
> Kathy Partlow
> Executive Administrative Assistant to:
> Tessie Wilson, Vice Chairman Braddock District
> Brad Center, Lee District
> Tina Hone, Member At Large
> Phone: 571-423-1064
> Fax: 571-423-1067
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patti Hopkins
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Wilson,
> Tessie (School Board Member)
> Cc: Kinney, Joann V.; Partlow, Kathy; Shimer,
> Andrea
> Subject: SW Regional Planning Study
> Committee/Clifton Elem
>
>
> Ms Smith and Ms Wilson,
>
>
> I am trying to coordinate a meeting with you both
> and 2-3 folks from the Clifton Elementary School
> community the first week of June. We would like to
> discuss the findings of the SW Regional Planning
> Study Committee and the potential impact those
> findings will have on Clifton Elementary School
> and the community. I have been working with Joanne
> and Kathy to find some time in your schedules. If
> the first week of June won't work for you then I
> will ask for the second week but definitely before
> the June 10 meeting.
>
>
> In order to expedite our wish to meet with all
> School Board members I am hoping we can find a
> date and time that works for everyone. The members
> of the Clifton community can meet you at Gatehouse
> or an alternate location that may be more
> convenient for you.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Patti Hopkins
> PTA President
> Clifton Elementary School
These e-mails make me angry. Kathy Smith, Tessie Wilson and Liz Bradsher are idiots who have no business being on the School Board and should never hold any elected office again.
Who the hell do they think they are? We should never have paid them one damn cent to allow them to indulge in their silly "Mean Girl" fantasies.
I am so glad that they will all be GONE in November.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lovely and ethical conduct by the School Board
> about a perfectly polite and respectful request
> from a leader in the Clifton community.
>
>
> -----------------------------------
> From: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
> To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
> CC:
> BCC:
> Sent: 6/1/2010 2:21:33 PM
> Subject: FW: SW Regional Planning Study
> Committee/Clifton Elem
>
>
> These people are relentless. Do you want to meet
> with them?
>
> Tessie Wilson
> Vice Chairman
> School Board Member
> Braddock District
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patti Hopkins
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 1:28 PM
> To: Partlow, Kathy
> Cc: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
> Subject: RE: SW Regional Planning Study
> Committee/Clifton Elem
>
> Thank you Kathy.
>
> I would like to then go ahead and get on her
> calendar for some time during the third or fourth
> week of June when she may have more availability.
> I can meet her at Gatehouse, or an alternate site
> of her convenience.
>
> Patti Hopkins
> ---- "Partlow wrote:
> Hi Patti,
>
> I spoke with Tessie and unfortunately her
> calendar is "jammed" for the first two weeks in
> June. Tessie asked me to let you know that during
> the June 10, 2010 meeting, the SW Regional
> Planning Study Committee will be announced as an
> action item only, there will not be a vote. The
> vote will take place in July, 2010, so hopefully
> there will be a chance for you to meet with Tessie
> before then..
>
> Kathy Partlow
> Executive Administrative Assistant to:
> Tessie Wilson, Vice Chairman Braddock District
> Brad Center, Lee District
> Tina Hone, Member At Large
> Phone: 571-423-1064
> Fax: 571-423-1067
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patti Hopkins
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Wilson,
> Tessie (School Board Member)
> Cc: Kinney, Joann V.; Partlow, Kathy; Shimer,
> Andrea
> Subject: SW Regional Planning Study
> Committee/Clifton Elem
>
>
> Ms Smith and Ms Wilson,
>
>
> I am trying to coordinate a meeting with you both
> and 2-3 folks from the Clifton Elementary School
> community the first week of June. We would like to
> discuss the findings of the SW Regional Planning
> Study Committee and the potential impact those
> findings will have on Clifton Elementary School
> and the community. I have been working with Joanne
> and Kathy to find some time in your schedules. If
> the first week of June won't work for you then I
> will ask for the second week but definitely before
> the June 10 meeting.
>
>
> In order to expedite our wish to meet with all
> School Board members I am hoping we can find a
> date and time that works for everyone. The members
> of the Clifton community can meet you at Gatehouse
> or an alternate location that may be more
> convenient for you.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Patti Hopkins
> PTA President
> Clifton Elementary School
These e-mails make me angry. Kathy Smith, Tessie Wilson and Liz Bradsher are idiots who have no business being on the School Board and should never hold any elected office again.
Who the hell do they think they are? We should never have paid them one damn cent to allow them to indulge in their silly "Mean Girl" fantasies.
I am so glad that they will all be GONE in November.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Yes - disgusting
()
Date: February 27, 2011 04:34PM
> These e-mails make me angry. Kathy Smith, Tessie
> Wilson and Liz Bradsher are idiots who have no
> business being on the School Board and should
> never hold any elected office again.
>
> Who the hell do they think they are? We should
> never have paid them one damn cent to allow them
> to indulge in their silly "Mean Girl" fantasies.
>
> I am so glad that they will all be GONE in
> November.
Too much trouble to meet with the people they are supposed to work for. It is so disturbing to read these. November can not come soon enough.
> Wilson and Liz Bradsher are idiots who have no
> business being on the School Board and should
> never hold any elected office again.
>
> Who the hell do they think they are? We should
> never have paid them one damn cent to allow them
> to indulge in their silly "Mean Girl" fantasies.
>
> I am so glad that they will all be GONE in
> November.
Too much trouble to meet with the people they are supposed to work for. It is so disturbing to read these. November can not come soon enough.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Put Em Out to Pasture
()
Date: February 27, 2011 06:58PM
Yes - disgusting Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Too much trouble to meet with the people they are
> supposed to work for. It is so disturbing to read
> these. November can not come soon enough.
It seemed the correspondence from Patti Hopkins was very polite and respectful - far more than Bradsher, Smith and Wilson deserved at that point.
You saw the same BS at the last SB meeting, when Kathy Smith tried to shout down the parents who applauded after Patty Reed spoke. She literally could not stand the idea of any dissension.
She has "sully'd" the position of School Board chair, that's for sure.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Too much trouble to meet with the people they are
> supposed to work for. It is so disturbing to read
> these. November can not come soon enough.
It seemed the correspondence from Patti Hopkins was very polite and respectful - far more than Bradsher, Smith and Wilson deserved at that point.
You saw the same BS at the last SB meeting, when Kathy Smith tried to shout down the parents who applauded after Patty Reed spoke. She literally could not stand the idea of any dissension.
She has "sully'd" the position of School Board chair, that's for sure.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Trademark
()
Date: February 27, 2011 08:23PM
What about ole Liz becoming a democrat and running against Herrity?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The Forum
()
Date: February 27, 2011 08:28PM
Tessie is the ugliest person I have ever encountered. Her picture should be on a planned parenthood poster with the tag, "You could have one that looks like this!"
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: February 27, 2011 08:38PM
Trademark Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> What about ole Liz becoming a democrat and running against Herrity?<
Her application was tabled last month when one of her allies could count the house and saw it would be defeated.
The Springfield Democrats meets again on 3/1 at the Pohick Library. The meeting is open to the public, though only FCDC members can speak. It will be interesting to see if the application even comes up.
Even if Springfield approves, it still has to be approved by the entire FCDC membership on March 22 at Chantilly High.
Even if her application is withdrawn or denied, she could still seek the Democratic nomination in the August primary and, if no one else runs for the nomination, she could get the Democratic nomination for the Springfield Supervisor without belonging to FCDC.
-------------------------------------------------------
> What about ole Liz becoming a democrat and running against Herrity?<
Her application was tabled last month when one of her allies could count the house and saw it would be defeated.
The Springfield Democrats meets again on 3/1 at the Pohick Library. The meeting is open to the public, though only FCDC members can speak. It will be interesting to see if the application even comes up.
Even if Springfield approves, it still has to be approved by the entire FCDC membership on March 22 at Chantilly High.
Even if her application is withdrawn or denied, she could still seek the Democratic nomination in the August primary and, if no one else runs for the nomination, she could get the Democratic nomination for the Springfield Supervisor without belonging to FCDC.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
More heads up 2 FCDC
()
Date: February 28, 2011 01:26AM
Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Trademark Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What about ole Liz becoming a democrat and
> running against Herrity?<
>
> Her application was tabled last month when one of
> her allies could count the house and saw it would
> be defeated.
>
> The Springfield Democrats meets again on 3/1 at
> the Pohick Library. The meeting is open to the
> public, though only FCDC members can speak. It
> will be interesting to see if the application even
> comes up.
>
> Even if Springfield approves, it still has to be
> approved by the entire FCDC membership on March 22
> at Chantilly High.
>
> Even if her application is withdrawn or denied,
> she could still seek the Democratic nomination in
> the August primary and, if no one else runs for
> the nomination, she could get the Democratic
> nomination for the Springfield Supervisor without
> belonging to FCDC.
Seems like Bradsher was given a lot of rooom to do the right thing, even by Clifton supporters.
Why slam PTA pres?
Who is Robertroy and why send Schultz email to him?
Guess Bradsher was given just enough rope.
Great use of Bradsher's own message as a reminder but looks like it fell on deaf ears.
Attachments:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Trademark Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What about ole Liz becoming a democrat and
> running against Herrity?<
>
> Her application was tabled last month when one of
> her allies could count the house and saw it would
> be defeated.
>
> The Springfield Democrats meets again on 3/1 at
> the Pohick Library. The meeting is open to the
> public, though only FCDC members can speak. It
> will be interesting to see if the application even
> comes up.
>
> Even if Springfield approves, it still has to be
> approved by the entire FCDC membership on March 22
> at Chantilly High.
>
> Even if her application is withdrawn or denied,
> she could still seek the Democratic nomination in
> the August primary and, if no one else runs for
> the nomination, she could get the Democratic
> nomination for the Springfield Supervisor without
> belonging to FCDC.
Seems like Bradsher was given a lot of rooom to do the right thing, even by Clifton supporters.
Why slam PTA pres?
Who is Robertroy and why send Schultz email to him?
Guess Bradsher was given just enough rope.
Great use of Bradsher's own message as a reminder but looks like it fell on deaf ears.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
School board war?
()
Date: February 28, 2011 12:12PM
Stu's op-ed
http://reston.patch.com/articles/fec-right-initials-wrong-name
response by some "common sense" school board members:
http://reston.patch.com/articles/gibsons-criticism-without-merit
http://reston.patch.com/articles/fec-right-initials-wrong-name
response by some "common sense" school board members:
http://reston.patch.com/articles/gibsons-criticism-without-merit
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Frying Frey too?
()
Date: February 28, 2011 07:21PM
Oh Oh - now trashing Clerk of Court? Lovely team players, they are.
Sneak a peek and Lookie what you get behind Curtain #1, FCDC - you sure you want the loser prize?
___________________________________
From: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member) [jtwilson@fcps.edu]
Sent: 6/19/2010 11:09:57 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Concerned Community Member: Fairfax County School Board's Southwestern Regional Planning Study
You hang in there girl – and hopefully you are NOT going to John Frey’s fundraiser this weekend.
Tessie Wilson
Vice Chairman
School Board Member
Braddock District
________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 9:51 AM
To: School Board Members; Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Cc: Herrity, Pat
Subject: RE: Concerned Community Member: Fairfax County School Board's Southwestern Regional Planning Study
I will reply to this as the affected School Board member.
E. Bradsher
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________________
From: Elizabeth Rouleau
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 9:24 AM
To: School Board Members; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Cc: Herrity, Pat
Subject: Concerned Community Member: Fairfax County School Board's Southwestern Regional Planning Study
Fairfax County School Board Members,
I am writing as a voter, a parent, and a concerned community member regarding the proposed Planning Study changes the FCPS board in considering. This entire action must be stopped! Rational, logical, and minimally evasive solutions are available and need to be implemented to address what is really a small, contained issue that the board has artificially expanded for ulterior motives. I am adamantly opposed to this redistricting plan and I'm writing to express my deep displeasure and opposition to your conclusion, methods, and intent.
This plan to redistrict Clifton, Union Mill, Liberty and the Little Rocky Run (LRR) community is frankly unbelievable. You are taking away something we bought; a neighborhood. The exact reasons why we purchased a home here. And for what? A problem that doesn't exist in this neighborhood. I spent hours researching what neighborhood, schools, and features I wanted when we moved here to LRR four years ago from Michigan. If problems exist in other schools and neighborhoods, those people have the same information and resources available to them to make a determination of where they want to live. And what did the school board do when they saw the housing units being built in the affected areas? Nothing. Now you are making the entire SW area of Fairfax pay for your inaction. You are proposing to diminish the value of my home, my neighborhood, and my community for what basically comes down to an artificial overcrowding problem of your published figure of 1520 students. Instead, you have decided to impact over 20,000 students and their families. I find this selfish, morally inexcusable, incompetent, and completely against the community that elected you. Deal with the problem straight on, in the immediate area of the problem; don't spread it around, call it something else, or make the entire SW area pay for your lack of planning and action.
During the last nine months, I attended at least four meetings of the planning group. They worked hard, developed many alternatives, and recommendations. Yet, NOT ONE of their recommendations were accepted by the board. Is this all window dressing? I thought of that when I attended the first meeting. Dress it up, say we got the community involved, and ignore them. Not one recommendation???? Obviously, your minds were made up. I haven't spoken to any parent, anywhere in this area, that agrees with your recommendation. NOT ONE. Where is your accountability to the community that elected you? What is your real motive? I don't appreciate being a pawn in this and it is demeaning to all those concerned parents, voters, and community members who spent time, in good faith, to find a viable, rationale, mininal evasive solution that retains neighborhoods. It is a basic tenant of why people buy/rent homes where they do. The community is telling you they don't agree with your recommendation. So where is your accountability to me, a taxpayer, parent, voter, and community member to stand up and support the neighborhood I chose to live in and answer to us. Simpler, more effective solutions exist. PLEASE RECONSIDER YOUR RECOMMENDATION and CHOOSE ANOTHER THAT HELPS ADDRESS THE ISSUES ONLY IN THE AREAS WHERE THEY EXIST. DON'T DESTROY OUR UM/LRR/LIBERTY/CVHS NEIGHBORHOOD. Furthermore, why do you continue to taut this recommendation when there isn't even support in the areas where the worst overcrowding exists???? There is NO COMMUNITY CONSENSUS to do this. ANYWHERE!
This is the neighborhood we chose to live in. The way it is, with the school and community feel that was reflected in the value of our home. Our family and neighbors are opposed to this action. Please reconsider the alternative solutions presented to you. Better yet, put it up for community vote, just like we get a choice when we elect our community officials or vote to approve a bond drive. Please listen to us and let us have a say in our communities.
Thank you,
Elizabeth Rouleau
Sneak a peek and Lookie what you get behind Curtain #1, FCDC - you sure you want the loser prize?
___________________________________
From: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member) [jtwilson@fcps.edu]
Sent: 6/19/2010 11:09:57 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Concerned Community Member: Fairfax County School Board's Southwestern Regional Planning Study
You hang in there girl – and hopefully you are NOT going to John Frey’s fundraiser this weekend.
Tessie Wilson
Vice Chairman
School Board Member
Braddock District
________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 9:51 AM
To: School Board Members; Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Cc: Herrity, Pat
Subject: RE: Concerned Community Member: Fairfax County School Board's Southwestern Regional Planning Study
I will reply to this as the affected School Board member.
E. Bradsher
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________________
From: Elizabeth Rouleau
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 9:24 AM
To: School Board Members; Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Cc: Herrity, Pat
Subject: Concerned Community Member: Fairfax County School Board's Southwestern Regional Planning Study
Fairfax County School Board Members,
I am writing as a voter, a parent, and a concerned community member regarding the proposed Planning Study changes the FCPS board in considering. This entire action must be stopped! Rational, logical, and minimally evasive solutions are available and need to be implemented to address what is really a small, contained issue that the board has artificially expanded for ulterior motives. I am adamantly opposed to this redistricting plan and I'm writing to express my deep displeasure and opposition to your conclusion, methods, and intent.
This plan to redistrict Clifton, Union Mill, Liberty and the Little Rocky Run (LRR) community is frankly unbelievable. You are taking away something we bought; a neighborhood. The exact reasons why we purchased a home here. And for what? A problem that doesn't exist in this neighborhood. I spent hours researching what neighborhood, schools, and features I wanted when we moved here to LRR four years ago from Michigan. If problems exist in other schools and neighborhoods, those people have the same information and resources available to them to make a determination of where they want to live. And what did the school board do when they saw the housing units being built in the affected areas? Nothing. Now you are making the entire SW area of Fairfax pay for your inaction. You are proposing to diminish the value of my home, my neighborhood, and my community for what basically comes down to an artificial overcrowding problem of your published figure of 1520 students. Instead, you have decided to impact over 20,000 students and their families. I find this selfish, morally inexcusable, incompetent, and completely against the community that elected you. Deal with the problem straight on, in the immediate area of the problem; don't spread it around, call it something else, or make the entire SW area pay for your lack of planning and action.
During the last nine months, I attended at least four meetings of the planning group. They worked hard, developed many alternatives, and recommendations. Yet, NOT ONE of their recommendations were accepted by the board. Is this all window dressing? I thought of that when I attended the first meeting. Dress it up, say we got the community involved, and ignore them. Not one recommendation???? Obviously, your minds were made up. I haven't spoken to any parent, anywhere in this area, that agrees with your recommendation. NOT ONE. Where is your accountability to the community that elected you? What is your real motive? I don't appreciate being a pawn in this and it is demeaning to all those concerned parents, voters, and community members who spent time, in good faith, to find a viable, rationale, mininal evasive solution that retains neighborhoods. It is a basic tenant of why people buy/rent homes where they do. The community is telling you they don't agree with your recommendation. So where is your accountability to me, a taxpayer, parent, voter, and community member to stand up and support the neighborhood I chose to live in and answer to us. Simpler, more effective solutions exist. PLEASE RECONSIDER YOUR RECOMMENDATION and CHOOSE ANOTHER THAT HELPS ADDRESS THE ISSUES ONLY IN THE AREAS WHERE THEY EXIST. DON'T DESTROY OUR UM/LRR/LIBERTY/CVHS NEIGHBORHOOD. Furthermore, why do you continue to taut this recommendation when there isn't even support in the areas where the worst overcrowding exists???? There is NO COMMUNITY CONSENSUS to do this. ANYWHERE!
This is the neighborhood we chose to live in. The way it is, with the school and community feel that was reflected in the value of our home. Our family and neighbors are opposed to this action. Please reconsider the alternative solutions presented to you. Better yet, put it up for community vote, just like we get a choice when we elect our community officials or vote to approve a bond drive. Please listen to us and let us have a say in our communities.
Thank you,
Elizabeth Rouleau
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
a reader
()
Date: February 28, 2011 07:40PM
The former letter has the big question WHAT IS THE MOTIVE? I think there are a few puzzle pieces missing in this whole process. There must be money moving around somewhere. This whole thing makes no sense.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Math Wiz
()
Date: February 28, 2011 08:29PM
E-Mailed comparisons received from a friend.
Someone took a lot of time and if these are true, spell bad news for facilities projections FCPS sold to public.
Attachments:
Someone took a lot of time and if these are true, spell bad news for facilities projections FCPS sold to public.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bs
()
Date: February 28, 2011 10:48PM
Elizabeth Rouleau's email is pure BS.
This is FC PUBLIC SCHOOLS
not FC PRIVATE SCHOOLS
and if you have a problem with how ur school is zoned..move to private. Boundary changes have been going for ever ( yeah, dont give me that this is the largest change ever, crap - every boundary change is the largest, if u are involved in it - and I have been)
Hundreds of families have been impacted by boundary changes, over the past few years..this is a fact for a fast growing community like FCPS, Loundoun.
This is FC PUBLIC SCHOOLS
not FC PRIVATE SCHOOLS
and if you have a problem with how ur school is zoned..move to private. Boundary changes have been going for ever ( yeah, dont give me that this is the largest change ever, crap - every boundary change is the largest, if u are involved in it - and I have been)
Hundreds of families have been impacted by boundary changes, over the past few years..this is a fact for a fast growing community like FCPS, Loundoun.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Issue
()
Date: March 01, 2011 12:21AM
bs Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Elizabeth Rouleau's email is pure BS.
>
> This is FC PUBLIC SCHOOLS
>
> not FC PRIVATE SCHOOLS
>
> and if you have a problem with how ur school is
> zoned..move to private. Boundary changes have been
> going for ever ( yeah, dont give me that this is
> the largest change ever, crap - every boundary
> change is the largest, if u are involved in it -
> and I have been)
>
> Hundreds of families have been impacted by
> boundary changes, over the past few years..this is
> a fact for a fast growing community like FCPS,
> Loundoun.
It's too bad that the number of people that are expecting to use the public schools aren't actually paying into them. The ones that are paying into them are now getting SCREWED. That is the real issue.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Elizabeth Rouleau's email is pure BS.
>
> This is FC PUBLIC SCHOOLS
>
> not FC PRIVATE SCHOOLS
>
> and if you have a problem with how ur school is
> zoned..move to private. Boundary changes have been
> going for ever ( yeah, dont give me that this is
> the largest change ever, crap - every boundary
> change is the largest, if u are involved in it -
> and I have been)
>
> Hundreds of families have been impacted by
> boundary changes, over the past few years..this is
> a fact for a fast growing community like FCPS,
> Loundoun.
It's too bad that the number of people that are expecting to use the public schools aren't actually paying into them. The ones that are paying into them are now getting SCREWED. That is the real issue.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Issue
()
Date: March 01, 2011 12:28AM
Issue Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> bs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Elizabeth Rouleau's email is pure BS.
> >
> > This is FC PUBLIC SCHOOLS
> >
> > not FC PRIVATE SCHOOLS
> >
> > and if you have a problem with how ur school is
> > zoned..move to private. Boundary changes have
> been
> > going for ever ( yeah, dont give me that this
> is
> > the largest change ever, crap - every boundary
> > change is the largest, if u are involved in it
> -
> > and I have been)
> >
> > Hundreds of families have been impacted by
> > boundary changes, over the past few years..this
> is
> > a fact for a fast growing community like FCPS,
> > Loundoun.
>
>
> It's too bad that the number of people that are
> expecting to use the public schools aren't
> actually paying into them. The ones that are
> paying into them are now getting SCREWED. That
> is the real issue.
I meant to say increasing number. Why do you think the number in this particular area suddenly GREW in the last couple of years? Coincidence - I think not, but nobody is going to discuss that. We are all going to bend over backwards paying our taxes while other people who aren't paying their taxes siphon off our resources (like the schools). Then when there aren't enough resources to go around like now, people are going to make us try and sound like we are looking for privileged treatment. Sorry. For those of us that actually pay taxes, we should be able to have an opinion about where our kids attend school.
-------------------------------------------------------
> bs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Elizabeth Rouleau's email is pure BS.
> >
> > This is FC PUBLIC SCHOOLS
> >
> > not FC PRIVATE SCHOOLS
> >
> > and if you have a problem with how ur school is
> > zoned..move to private. Boundary changes have
> been
> > going for ever ( yeah, dont give me that this
> is
> > the largest change ever, crap - every boundary
> > change is the largest, if u are involved in it
> -
> > and I have been)
> >
> > Hundreds of families have been impacted by
> > boundary changes, over the past few years..this
> is
> > a fact for a fast growing community like FCPS,
> > Loundoun.
>
>
> It's too bad that the number of people that are
> expecting to use the public schools aren't
> actually paying into them. The ones that are
> paying into them are now getting SCREWED. That
> is the real issue.
I meant to say increasing number. Why do you think the number in this particular area suddenly GREW in the last couple of years? Coincidence - I think not, but nobody is going to discuss that. We are all going to bend over backwards paying our taxes while other people who aren't paying their taxes siphon off our resources (like the schools). Then when there aren't enough resources to go around like now, people are going to make us try and sound like we are looking for privileged treatment. Sorry. For those of us that actually pay taxes, we should be able to have an opinion about where our kids attend school.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Speaks the truth
()
Date: March 01, 2011 06:57AM
Issue Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Issue Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > bs Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Elizabeth Rouleau's email is pure BS.
> > >
> > > This is FC PUBLIC SCHOOLS
> > >
> > > not FC PRIVATE SCHOOLS
> > >
> > > and if you have a problem with how ur school
> is
> > > zoned..move to private. Boundary changes have
> > been
> > > going for ever ( yeah, dont give me that this
> > is
> > > the largest change ever, crap - every
> boundary
> > > change is the largest, if u are involved in
> it
> > -
> > > and I have been)
> > >
> > > Hundreds of families have been impacted by
> > > boundary changes, over the past few
> years..this
> > is
> > > a fact for a fast growing community like
> FCPS,
> > > Loundoun.
> >
> >
> > It's too bad that the number of people that are
> > expecting to use the public schools aren't
> > actually paying into them. The ones that are
> > paying into them are now getting SCREWED.
> That
> > is the real issue.
>
> I meant to say increasing number. Why do you
> think the number in this particular area suddenly
> GREW in the last couple of years? Coincidence -
> I think not, but nobody is going to discuss that.
> We are all going to bend over backwards paying our
> taxes while other people who aren't paying their
> taxes siphon off our resources (like the schools).
> Then when there aren't enough resources to go
> around like now, people are going to make us try
> and sound like we are looking for privileged
> treatment. Sorry. For those of us that actually
> pay taxes, we should be able to have an opinion
> about where our kids attend school.
NOW we are getting somewhere. It's the facilities use, moving OUR money, and the plain fact that the SB would love for us to go to private schools. Funding remains from local sources as accountability dissolves. The charter school issue? Well notice the SB has written policies that head off this option.
Who are we funding? Is this demographic funded from additional sources? Hmmmm.....
-------------------------------------------------------
> Issue Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > bs Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Elizabeth Rouleau's email is pure BS.
> > >
> > > This is FC PUBLIC SCHOOLS
> > >
> > > not FC PRIVATE SCHOOLS
> > >
> > > and if you have a problem with how ur school
> is
> > > zoned..move to private. Boundary changes have
> > been
> > > going for ever ( yeah, dont give me that this
> > is
> > > the largest change ever, crap - every
> boundary
> > > change is the largest, if u are involved in
> it
> > -
> > > and I have been)
> > >
> > > Hundreds of families have been impacted by
> > > boundary changes, over the past few
> years..this
> > is
> > > a fact for a fast growing community like
> FCPS,
> > > Loundoun.
> >
> >
> > It's too bad that the number of people that are
> > expecting to use the public schools aren't
> > actually paying into them. The ones that are
> > paying into them are now getting SCREWED.
> That
> > is the real issue.
>
> I meant to say increasing number. Why do you
> think the number in this particular area suddenly
> GREW in the last couple of years? Coincidence -
> I think not, but nobody is going to discuss that.
> We are all going to bend over backwards paying our
> taxes while other people who aren't paying their
> taxes siphon off our resources (like the schools).
> Then when there aren't enough resources to go
> around like now, people are going to make us try
> and sound like we are looking for privileged
> treatment. Sorry. For those of us that actually
> pay taxes, we should be able to have an opinion
> about where our kids attend school.
NOW we are getting somewhere. It's the facilities use, moving OUR money, and the plain fact that the SB would love for us to go to private schools. Funding remains from local sources as accountability dissolves. The charter school issue? Well notice the SB has written policies that head off this option.
Who are we funding? Is this demographic funded from additional sources? Hmmmm.....
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
American
()
Date: March 01, 2011 08:52AM
Here are some reasons why my children shouldn't have to go to private school.
1. We actually pay the taxes for them that allows for the public schools. In fact, for many, many, many years, our family has been paying the taxes. GENERATIONS of FULL TAXES.
2. My children are American citizens. When they get older and if there is a war, they will be forced into the military via selective service and could lose their lives because they are LEGAL American citizens. They won't get to stay in the US and not have to fight or jump back over a border when it gets uncomfortable living here because they were too LAZY to become legal. And yes, I call it LAZY. There is a path for becoming legal which many people do all the time. Some people simply choose not too. If my children may someday have to pay a sacrifice for this country than they should be prioritized in receiving the benefits that we have paid for which includes the PUBLIC schools.
3. Part of the problem with the funding for the schools is the School Board's inability to cut Admin costs. Why should my children have to go to private school because of a lack of proper management and fiscal oversight? This crap about now trying to push kids into private schools is just another way for the School Board and FCPS Admin to not have to be fiscally responsible. It's sickening.
Enough already. If you moved every illegal immigrant out of Fairfax County tomorrow, our schools wouldn't be overcrowded, the hospitals wouldn't have such waits and traffic wouldn't be as bad. If FCPS trimmed the fact and the School Board actually exhibited leadership instead of just doing whatever the staff asks of them, than we wouldn't even be having any of these discussions.
1. We actually pay the taxes for them that allows for the public schools. In fact, for many, many, many years, our family has been paying the taxes. GENERATIONS of FULL TAXES.
2. My children are American citizens. When they get older and if there is a war, they will be forced into the military via selective service and could lose their lives because they are LEGAL American citizens. They won't get to stay in the US and not have to fight or jump back over a border when it gets uncomfortable living here because they were too LAZY to become legal. And yes, I call it LAZY. There is a path for becoming legal which many people do all the time. Some people simply choose not too. If my children may someday have to pay a sacrifice for this country than they should be prioritized in receiving the benefits that we have paid for which includes the PUBLIC schools.
3. Part of the problem with the funding for the schools is the School Board's inability to cut Admin costs. Why should my children have to go to private school because of a lack of proper management and fiscal oversight? This crap about now trying to push kids into private schools is just another way for the School Board and FCPS Admin to not have to be fiscally responsible. It's sickening.
Enough already. If you moved every illegal immigrant out of Fairfax County tomorrow, our schools wouldn't be overcrowded, the hospitals wouldn't have such waits and traffic wouldn't be as bad. If FCPS trimmed the fact and the School Board actually exhibited leadership instead of just doing whatever the staff asks of them, than we wouldn't even be having any of these discussions.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
boundary study question
()
Date: March 01, 2011 11:56AM
Has anyone ever done an analysis of how much these studies cost?
Think about it:
staff hours/is there overtime? probably
public meetings--staff time, facilitators, custodians, etc.
paper print outs for the meetings
consultants? or is it all done in house?
I'm sure there is more. Please feel free to add to the list.
Maybe this is why boundary studies or so popular in FCPS.
Think about it:
staff hours/is there overtime? probably
public meetings--staff time, facilitators, custodians, etc.
paper print outs for the meetings
consultants? or is it all done in house?
I'm sure there is more. Please feel free to add to the list.
Maybe this is why boundary studies or so popular in FCPS.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Clifton teachers+staff to be fired?
()
Date: March 01, 2011 12:03PM
Please see Ms. Bradsher's explanation in red. How can they save the $1+ million dollard in salaries if they aren't planning on letting Clifton teachers and staff go?
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz Bradsher
()
Date: March 01, 2011 01:24PM
Wow, is Liz stupid. Did she really think all the staff from Clifton would disappear? No wonder our schools are failing our children.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
me me me!
()
Date: March 01, 2011 01:31PM
That letter hits the crux of the problem on the head. Clifton is a community filled with self entitled whiners complaining because of a perceived drop in the value of their houses.
Can't wait until the run down shack gets plowed under and the asbestos goes flying up in your backyards.
Totally understand Herrity's support too, since he lives in LRR. Self interest. He needs to be booted.
sha na na na, hey hey, good-bye
Frying Frey too? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
________________________________________
> From: Elizabeth Rouleau
> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 9:24 AM
> To: School Board Members; Bradsher, Elizabeth
> (School Board Member); Smith, Kathy L (School
> Board Member)
> Cc: Herrity, Pat
> Subject: Concerned Community Member: Fairfax
> County School Board's Southwestern Regional
> Planning Study
>
> Fairfax County School Board Members,
>
> I am writing as a voter, a parent, and a concerned
> community member regarding the proposed Planning
> Study changes the FCPS board in considering. This
> entire action must be stopped! Rational, logical,
> and minimally evasive solutions are available and
> need to be implemented to address what is really a
> small, contained issue that the board has
> artificially expanded for ulterior motives. I am
> adamantly opposed to this redistricting plan and
> I'm writing to express my deep displeasure and
> opposition to your conclusion, methods, and
> intent.
>
> This plan to redistrict Clifton, Union Mill,
> Liberty and the Little Rocky Run (LRR) community
> is frankly unbelievable. You are taking away
> something we bought; a neighborhood. The exact
> reasons why we purchased a home here. And for
> what? A problem that doesn't exist in this
> neighborhood. I spent hours researching what
> neighborhood, schools, and features I wanted when
> we moved here to LRR four years ago from Michigan.
> If problems exist in other schools and
> neighborhoods, those people have the same
> information and resources available to them to
> make a determination of where they want to live.
> And what did the school board do when they saw the
> housing units being built in the affected areas?
> Nothing. Now you are making the entire SW area of
> Fairfax pay for your inaction. You are proposing
> to diminish the value of my home, my neighborhood,
> and my community for what basically comes down to
> an artificial overcrowding problem of your
> published figure of 1520 students. Instead, you
> have decided to impact over 20,000 students and
> their families. I find this selfish, morally
> inexcusable, incompetent, and completely against
> the community that elected you. Deal with the
> problem straight on, in the immediate area of the
> problem; don't spread it around, call it something
> else, or make the entire SW area pay for your lack
> of planning and action.
>
> During the last nine months, I attended at least
> four meetings of the planning group. They worked
> hard, developed many alternatives, and
> recommendations. Yet, NOT ONE of their
> recommendations were accepted by the board. Is
> this all window dressing? I thought of that when I
> attended the first meeting. Dress it up, say we
> got the community involved, and ignore them. Not
> one recommendation???? Obviously, your minds were
> made up. I haven't spoken to any parent, anywhere
> in this area, that agrees with your
> recommendation. NOT ONE. Where is your
> accountability to the community that elected you?
> What is your real motive? I don't appreciate
> being a pawn in this and it is demeaning to all
> those concerned parents, voters, and community
> members who spent time, in good faith, to find a
> viable, rationale, mininal evasive solution that
> retains neighborhoods. It is a basic tenant of
> why people buy/rent homes where they do. The
> community is telling you they don't agree with
> your recommendation. So where is your
> accountability to me, a taxpayer, parent, voter,
> and community member to stand up and support the
> neighborhood I chose to live in and answer to us.
> Simpler, more effective solutions exist. PLEASE
> RECONSIDER YOUR RECOMMENDATION and CHOOSE ANOTHER
> THAT HELPS ADDRESS THE ISSUES ONLY IN THE AREAS
> WHERE THEY EXIST. DON'T DESTROY OUR
> UM/LRR/LIBERTY/CVHS NEIGHBORHOOD. Furthermore,
> why do you continue to taut this recommendation
> when there isn't even support in the areas where
> the worst overcrowding exists???? There is NO
> COMMUNITY CONSENSUS to do this. ANYWHERE!
>
> This is the neighborhood we chose to live in. The
> way it is, with the school and community feel that
> was reflected in the value of our home. Our
> family and neighbors are opposed to this action.
> Please reconsider the alternative solutions
> presented to you. Better yet, put it up for
> community vote, just like we get a choice when we
> elect our community officials or vote to approve a
> bond drive. Please listen to us and let us have a
> say in our communities.
>
> Thank you,
> Elizabeth Rouleau
Can't wait until the run down shack gets plowed under and the asbestos goes flying up in your backyards.
Totally understand Herrity's support too, since he lives in LRR. Self interest. He needs to be booted.
sha na na na, hey hey, good-bye
Frying Frey too? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
________________________________________
> From: Elizabeth Rouleau
> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 9:24 AM
> To: School Board Members; Bradsher, Elizabeth
> (School Board Member); Smith, Kathy L (School
> Board Member)
> Cc: Herrity, Pat
> Subject: Concerned Community Member: Fairfax
> County School Board's Southwestern Regional
> Planning Study
>
> Fairfax County School Board Members,
>
> I am writing as a voter, a parent, and a concerned
> community member regarding the proposed Planning
> Study changes the FCPS board in considering. This
> entire action must be stopped! Rational, logical,
> and minimally evasive solutions are available and
> need to be implemented to address what is really a
> small, contained issue that the board has
> artificially expanded for ulterior motives. I am
> adamantly opposed to this redistricting plan and
> I'm writing to express my deep displeasure and
> opposition to your conclusion, methods, and
> intent.
>
> This plan to redistrict Clifton, Union Mill,
> Liberty and the Little Rocky Run (LRR) community
> is frankly unbelievable. You are taking away
> something we bought; a neighborhood. The exact
> reasons why we purchased a home here. And for
> what? A problem that doesn't exist in this
> neighborhood. I spent hours researching what
> neighborhood, schools, and features I wanted when
> we moved here to LRR four years ago from Michigan.
> If problems exist in other schools and
> neighborhoods, those people have the same
> information and resources available to them to
> make a determination of where they want to live.
> And what did the school board do when they saw the
> housing units being built in the affected areas?
> Nothing. Now you are making the entire SW area of
> Fairfax pay for your inaction. You are proposing
> to diminish the value of my home, my neighborhood,
> and my community for what basically comes down to
> an artificial overcrowding problem of your
> published figure of 1520 students. Instead, you
> have decided to impact over 20,000 students and
> their families. I find this selfish, morally
> inexcusable, incompetent, and completely against
> the community that elected you. Deal with the
> problem straight on, in the immediate area of the
> problem; don't spread it around, call it something
> else, or make the entire SW area pay for your lack
> of planning and action.
>
> During the last nine months, I attended at least
> four meetings of the planning group. They worked
> hard, developed many alternatives, and
> recommendations. Yet, NOT ONE of their
> recommendations were accepted by the board. Is
> this all window dressing? I thought of that when I
> attended the first meeting. Dress it up, say we
> got the community involved, and ignore them. Not
> one recommendation???? Obviously, your minds were
> made up. I haven't spoken to any parent, anywhere
> in this area, that agrees with your
> recommendation. NOT ONE. Where is your
> accountability to the community that elected you?
> What is your real motive? I don't appreciate
> being a pawn in this and it is demeaning to all
> those concerned parents, voters, and community
> members who spent time, in good faith, to find a
> viable, rationale, mininal evasive solution that
> retains neighborhoods. It is a basic tenant of
> why people buy/rent homes where they do. The
> community is telling you they don't agree with
> your recommendation. So where is your
> accountability to me, a taxpayer, parent, voter,
> and community member to stand up and support the
> neighborhood I chose to live in and answer to us.
> Simpler, more effective solutions exist. PLEASE
> RECONSIDER YOUR RECOMMENDATION and CHOOSE ANOTHER
> THAT HELPS ADDRESS THE ISSUES ONLY IN THE AREAS
> WHERE THEY EXIST. DON'T DESTROY OUR
> UM/LRR/LIBERTY/CVHS NEIGHBORHOOD. Furthermore,
> why do you continue to taut this recommendation
> when there isn't even support in the areas where
> the worst overcrowding exists???? There is NO
> COMMUNITY CONSENSUS to do this. ANYWHERE!
>
> This is the neighborhood we chose to live in. The
> way it is, with the school and community feel that
> was reflected in the value of our home. Our
> family and neighbors are opposed to this action.
> Please reconsider the alternative solutions
> presented to you. Better yet, put it up for
> community vote, just like we get a choice when we
> elect our community officials or vote to approve a
> bond drive. Please listen to us and let us have a
> say in our communities.
>
> Thank you,
> Elizabeth Rouleau
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
you you you
()
Date: March 01, 2011 03:47PM
me me me! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> That letter hits the crux of the problem on the
> head. Clifton is a community filled with self
> entitled whiners complaining because of a
> perceived drop in the value of their houses.
>
> Can't wait until the run down shack gets plowed
> under and the asbestos goes flying up in your
> backyards.
>
> Totally understand Herrity's support too, since he
> lives in LRR. Self interest. He needs to be
> booted.
>
> sha na na na, hey hey, good-bye
>
Numb-Nuts, everyone knows that Little Rocky Run is in Centreville and their kids do not attend CES. So why are you ragging on Clifton for something a Centreville person wrote? Mrs. Bradsher is that you?
-------------------------------------------------------
> That letter hits the crux of the problem on the
> head. Clifton is a community filled with self
> entitled whiners complaining because of a
> perceived drop in the value of their houses.
>
> Can't wait until the run down shack gets plowed
> under and the asbestos goes flying up in your
> backyards.
>
> Totally understand Herrity's support too, since he
> lives in LRR. Self interest. He needs to be
> booted.
>
> sha na na na, hey hey, good-bye
>
Numb-Nuts, everyone knows that Little Rocky Run is in Centreville and their kids do not attend CES. So why are you ragging on Clifton for something a Centreville person wrote? Mrs. Bradsher is that you?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz is toast
()
Date: March 01, 2011 07:10PM
you you you Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> me me me! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That letter hits the crux of the problem on the
> > head. Clifton is a community filled with self
> > entitled whiners complaining because of a
> > perceived drop in the value of their houses.
> >
> > Can't wait until the run down shack gets plowed
> > under and the asbestos goes flying up in your
> > backyards.
> >
> > Totally understand Herrity's support too, since
> he
> > lives in LRR. Self interest. He needs to be
> > booted.
> >
> > sha na na na, hey hey, good-bye
> >
> Numb-Nuts, everyone knows that Little Rocky Run
> is in Centreville and their kids do not attend
> CES. So why are you ragging on Clifton for
> something a Centreville person wrote? Mrs.
> Bradsher is that you?
It's the same troll who comes in here and tries to act like there is a groundswell of support for this. The board members from the western districts know they are in trouble. How many will drop out and not even take a chance in running? This fool used to talk about how Bradsher was a shoo-in for reelection. Now that Bradsher is looking to move on, we get crickets. Probably some kathy Smith suck up. As long as they don't start demolishing CES before January, the new board will stop all this nonsense and do a true alignment. We just have to hold on till then. The current board is doomed.
-------------------------------------------------------
> me me me! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That letter hits the crux of the problem on the
> > head. Clifton is a community filled with self
> > entitled whiners complaining because of a
> > perceived drop in the value of their houses.
> >
> > Can't wait until the run down shack gets plowed
> > under and the asbestos goes flying up in your
> > backyards.
> >
> > Totally understand Herrity's support too, since
> he
> > lives in LRR. Self interest. He needs to be
> > booted.
> >
> > sha na na na, hey hey, good-bye
> >
> Numb-Nuts, everyone knows that Little Rocky Run
> is in Centreville and their kids do not attend
> CES. So why are you ragging on Clifton for
> something a Centreville person wrote? Mrs.
> Bradsher is that you?
It's the same troll who comes in here and tries to act like there is a groundswell of support for this. The board members from the western districts know they are in trouble. How many will drop out and not even take a chance in running? This fool used to talk about how Bradsher was a shoo-in for reelection. Now that Bradsher is looking to move on, we get crickets. Probably some kathy Smith suck up. As long as they don't start demolishing CES before January, the new board will stop all this nonsense and do a true alignment. We just have to hold on till then. The current board is doomed.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
me me me
()
Date: March 01, 2011 07:47PM
you you you Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> Numb-Nuts, everyone knows that Little Rocky Run
> is in Centreville and their kids do not attend
> CES. So why are you ragging on Clifton for
> something a Centreville person wrote? Mrs.
> Bradsher is that you?
Your a dumb ass.
Little Rocky Run Home Owners Association
6201 Sandstone Way,
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> Numb-Nuts, everyone knows that Little Rocky Run
> is in Centreville and their kids do not attend
> CES. So why are you ragging on Clifton for
> something a Centreville person wrote? Mrs.
> Bradsher is that you?
Your a dumb ass.
Little Rocky Run Home Owners Association
6201 Sandstone Way,
Clifton
VA 20124-2468Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
GeographyWizard
()
Date: March 01, 2011 08:40PM
me me me Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> you you you Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > Numb-Nuts, everyone knows that Little Rocky
> Run
> > is in Centreville and their kids do not attend
> > CES. So why are you ragging on Clifton for
> > something a Centreville person wrote? Mrs.
> > Bradsher is that you?
>
> Your a dumb ass.
>
> Little Rocky Run Home Owners Association
> 6201 Sandstone Way, Clifton VA 20124-2468
I agree with you, you, you that you are a numb-nuts. Everyone knows LRR is "really" in centreville but the developer managed to get a clifton mailing address to make it more desireable.
-------------------------------------------------------
> you you you Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > Numb-Nuts, everyone knows that Little Rocky
> Run
> > is in Centreville and their kids do not attend
> > CES. So why are you ragging on Clifton for
> > something a Centreville person wrote? Mrs.
> > Bradsher is that you?
>
> Your a dumb ass.
>
> Little Rocky Run Home Owners Association
> 6201 Sandstone Way, Clifton VA 20124-2468
I agree with you, you, you that you are a numb-nuts. Everyone knows LRR is "really" in centreville but the developer managed to get a clifton mailing address to make it more desireable.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Look at a map
()
Date: March 01, 2011 08:44PM
Isn't Clifton really just East Manassas Park?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
turning japanese
()
Date: March 01, 2011 10:23PM
any word from the springfield democratic meeting tonight, concerning Bradsher's application for turning democratic?
"She's turning democratic, yeah, she's turning democratic, yeah, I think so"
"She's turning democratic, yeah, she's turning democratic, yeah, I think so"
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Are you smarter than a CES 5th grader?
()
Date: March 02, 2011 10:35AM
me me me Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> you you you Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > Numb-Nuts, everyone knows that Little Rocky
> Run
> > is in Centreville and their kids do not attend
> > CES. So why are you ragging on Clifton for
> > something a Centreville person wrote? Mrs.
> > Bradsher is that you?
>
> Your a dumb ass.
>
> Little Rocky Run Home Owners Association
> 6201 Sandstone Way, Clifton VA 20124-2468
You're is the correct contraction for you are. Me, me, me, your post consist of a sentence that contains four simple words and you can't even do that right.
Who is the dumb ass?
That was a pretty pathetic representation of the LRR Home Owners Association. Another reminder why we need to keep our community schools open!
-------------------------------------------------------
> you you you Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > Numb-Nuts, everyone knows that Little Rocky
> Run
> > is in Centreville and their kids do not attend
> > CES. So why are you ragging on Clifton for
> > something a Centreville person wrote? Mrs.
> > Bradsher is that you?
>
> Your a dumb ass.
>
> Little Rocky Run Home Owners Association
> 6201 Sandstone Way, Clifton VA 20124-2468
You're is the correct contraction for you are. Me, me, me, your post consist of a sentence that contains four simple words and you can't even do that right.
Who is the dumb ass?
That was a pretty pathetic representation of the LRR Home Owners Association. Another reminder why we need to keep our community schools open!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
BREAKING NEWS FROM COURT
()
Date: March 02, 2011 03:00PM
Liz Bradsher spent an hour on witness stand today.
She "doesn't remember e-mailing people"
She "can't define what a conversation is or is not."
Wait for it - - ->
She doesn't know how many people are on the School Board.
->Really. Not kidding. REALLY. Testified under oath that she "doesn't know how many School Board Members there are" - you couldn't make this up if you tried.
She "doesn't remember e-mailing people"
She "can't define what a conversation is or is not."
Wait for it - - ->
She doesn't know how many people are on the School Board.
->Really. Not kidding. REALLY. Testified under oath that she "doesn't know how many School Board Members there are" - you couldn't make this up if you tried.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hahahahaha
()
Date: March 02, 2011 03:07PM
Terribly funny, and scary too. Liz Bradsher has NO SHAME. It's disgusting that she imagines herself to value education and be a school board representative.
How many people even still support her? Is Dean Tisdadt still an ardent admirer? What's Dean's interest in all this?
How many people even still support her? Is Dean Tisdadt still an ardent admirer? What's Dean's interest in all this?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Maybe she is drunk
()
Date: March 02, 2011 03:11PM
Drunks cannot remember shit.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
multiples
()
Date: March 02, 2011 03:13PM
BREAKING NEWS FROM COURT Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz Bradsher spent an hour on witness stand
> today.
>
>
> She "doesn't remember e-mailing people"
>
> She "can't define what a conversation is or is
> not."
>
> Wait for it - - ->
>
> She doesn't know how many people are on the School
> Board.
>
> ->Really. Not kidding. REALLY. Testified under
> oath that she "doesn't know how many School Board
> Members there are" - you couldn't make this up if
> you tried.
Always wondered if she has multiple personalities. Maybe they were questioning the wrong one? Maybe the other one will show up later.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz Bradsher spent an hour on witness stand
> today.
>
>
> She "doesn't remember e-mailing people"
>
> She "can't define what a conversation is or is
> not."
>
> Wait for it - - ->
>
> She doesn't know how many people are on the School
> Board.
>
> ->Really. Not kidding. REALLY. Testified under
> oath that she "doesn't know how many School Board
> Members there are" - you couldn't make this up if
> you tried.
Always wondered if she has multiple personalities. Maybe they were questioning the wrong one? Maybe the other one will show up later.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
VA ABC
()
Date: March 02, 2011 04:25PM
BREAKING NEWS FROM COURT Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz Bradsher spent an hour on witness stand
> today.
>
>
> She "doesn't remember e-mailing people"
>
> She "can't define what a conversation is or is
> not."
>
> Wait for it - - ->
>
> She doesn't know how many people are on the School
> Board.
>
> ->Really. Not kidding. REALLY. Testified under
> oath that she "doesn't know how many School Board
> Members there are" - you couldn't make this up if
> you tried.
Bet she can recite the VA ABC store's price list from memory.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz Bradsher spent an hour on witness stand
> today.
>
>
> She "doesn't remember e-mailing people"
>
> She "can't define what a conversation is or is
> not."
>
> Wait for it - - ->
>
> She doesn't know how many people are on the School
> Board.
>
> ->Really. Not kidding. REALLY. Testified under
> oath that she "doesn't know how many School Board
> Members there are" - you couldn't make this up if
> you tried.
Bet she can recite the VA ABC store's price list from memory.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
wrong info
()
Date: March 02, 2011 06:04PM
Bet she can recite the VA ABC store's price list from memory.
Wrong-she buys her booze in DC- remember?
Wrong-she buys her booze in DC- remember?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Whoa, Nelly
()
Date: March 02, 2011 06:11PM
Are there any more detailed summaries of the hearing testimony available? Transcripts?
Not that I feel sorry for her, since she brought this situation upon herself, but if Liz Bradsher really denied under oath recalling that she sent e-mails or how many School Board members there are, I hope she's lawyered-up.
People have been indicted for giving testimony under oath that prosecutors simply did not believe was credible.
Should be interesting to watch this play out.
Not that I feel sorry for her, since she brought this situation upon herself, but if Liz Bradsher really denied under oath recalling that she sent e-mails or how many School Board members there are, I hope she's lawyered-up.
People have been indicted for giving testimony under oath that prosecutors simply did not believe was credible.
Should be interesting to watch this play out.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
off topic-2011 bond referendum
()
Date: March 02, 2011 07:39PM
As I reread these emails from Bradsher lending motive to her actions to close Clifton, I wonder what the 2011 bond referendum will look like....
When is it released?
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:37 AM
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
Cc: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Dale, Jack; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: Re: Additional Question Re: Closing Clifton ES
There are about 11 or 12 schools moved up on the queue for the 2011 bond and others will feel the bump. One of them being West Springfield HS which could be placed on the 2011 bond instead of 2013. This would help this school tremendously since projections indicate they are looking at being 350 over capacity in 3-4 (some of this BRAC induced) years and are over today by 130+ students with classes in the hallway!
One of my core issues is: How can we spend the $ for such a renovation for so few students when we have needier situations? It is not prudent and I don't see any state senators, delegates and supervisors helping these schools that await funding and have such needs. I don't see them helping out the other communities that will have the pain and burden of changing boundaries.
Basically Jim, Clifton protests too much, as Shakespeare would say. I live adjacent to Clifton, I see what is taking place, I see the twisting of the issue.
What you didn't hear this week is most parents drive their children to school at Clifton because they don't like the busride and they have problems with the parking lot, what was not said was a good portion of the population lives closer to Willow Springs, Fairview, Oak View, Sangster and even Silverbrook. What you don't know is they had an opportunity to attend Centreville HS when it first opened but vehemently fought that to stay in Robinson which is much farther for many residents. Lake Braddock and South County are closer. The demographics of these schools differ and it was not what the community wanted. What many don't know is these students at Clifton join leagues in Centreville, Chantilly, and a large portion go to Burke and Braddock Road Youth, I know this because, yes, I am a soccer mom or was! What is not known is the Fairview, Sangster and Lake Braddock buses pass many of the bus stops for these Clifton students, closer to 123. What some members don't get is many communities like mine are assigned to different elementary schools and despite this WE LIVE and our kids actually do OK!
We have spent months on this issue and I know what this county was and have seen it change through my XX years! All our communities have felt these changes. Clifton lobbied for less density for years, they did not want sewer. Well, their efforts worked and now building in that area is minimal. Five acre lots, no sidewalks, no real business or commerce. This decison has resulted in no growth, a decline if you will. This has impacted the school. The school is no more historic than Virginia Hills, Graham Rd and others that have been closed. I would argue the Burke School and Mountain View might be considered historic and are now alternative schools.
Now there are schools surrounding the Clifton area and Clifton ES similar to Burke and Mountain View. These schools can serve the Clifton residents. Should we continue to operate a school when we know there are other worthwhile alternatives? Should we allocate such expense for so few students?
Again, this is my area and home if you will. I am ready to make the difficult decision and realize in doing so my days as an elected representative will be over. However, I will be able to sleep at night. I believe there is a bigger picture here and for me this decision is about the bigger picture.
Liz
When is it released?
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:37 AM
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
Cc: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Dale, Jack; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: Re: Additional Question Re: Closing Clifton ES
There are about 11 or 12 schools moved up on the queue for the 2011 bond and others will feel the bump. One of them being West Springfield HS which could be placed on the 2011 bond instead of 2013. This would help this school tremendously since projections indicate they are looking at being 350 over capacity in 3-4 (some of this BRAC induced) years and are over today by 130+ students with classes in the hallway!
One of my core issues is: How can we spend the $ for such a renovation for so few students when we have needier situations? It is not prudent and I don't see any state senators, delegates and supervisors helping these schools that await funding and have such needs. I don't see them helping out the other communities that will have the pain and burden of changing boundaries.
Basically Jim, Clifton protests too much, as Shakespeare would say. I live adjacent to Clifton, I see what is taking place, I see the twisting of the issue.
What you didn't hear this week is most parents drive their children to school at Clifton because they don't like the busride and they have problems with the parking lot, what was not said was a good portion of the population lives closer to Willow Springs, Fairview, Oak View, Sangster and even Silverbrook. What you don't know is they had an opportunity to attend Centreville HS when it first opened but vehemently fought that to stay in Robinson which is much farther for many residents. Lake Braddock and South County are closer. The demographics of these schools differ and it was not what the community wanted. What many don't know is these students at Clifton join leagues in Centreville, Chantilly, and a large portion go to Burke and Braddock Road Youth, I know this because, yes, I am a soccer mom or was! What is not known is the Fairview, Sangster and Lake Braddock buses pass many of the bus stops for these Clifton students, closer to 123. What some members don't get is many communities like mine are assigned to different elementary schools and despite this WE LIVE and our kids actually do OK!
We have spent months on this issue and I know what this county was and have seen it change through my XX years! All our communities have felt these changes. Clifton lobbied for less density for years, they did not want sewer. Well, their efforts worked and now building in that area is minimal. Five acre lots, no sidewalks, no real business or commerce. This decison has resulted in no growth, a decline if you will. This has impacted the school. The school is no more historic than Virginia Hills, Graham Rd and others that have been closed. I would argue the Burke School and Mountain View might be considered historic and are now alternative schools.
Now there are schools surrounding the Clifton area and Clifton ES similar to Burke and Mountain View. These schools can serve the Clifton residents. Should we continue to operate a school when we know there are other worthwhile alternatives? Should we allocate such expense for so few students?
Again, this is my area and home if you will. I am ready to make the difficult decision and realize in doing so my days as an elected representative will be over. However, I will be able to sleep at night. I believe there is a bigger picture here and for me this decision is about the bigger picture.
Liz
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
who spun what?
()
Date: March 02, 2011 07:52PM
-----Original Message-----
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:55 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Subject: FW: Three Things
Check this out... note the spin and this idea about WSHS taking Clifton's place on the CIP, this is Herrity's spin. He took my comments about the CIP and the queue last night and spun it. I was waiting to see how he would spin it and this is it.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
#1. Liz sends an email to Tessie and Kathy which is an open violation of open meetings laws.
#2 Didn't Liz say in the earlier email that West Springfield would be advanced? So why is she saying herrity is spinning it?
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:55 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Cc: Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member)
Subject: FW: Three Things
Check this out... note the spin and this idea about WSHS taking Clifton's place on the CIP, this is Herrity's spin. He took my comments about the CIP and the queue last night and spun it. I was waiting to see how he would spin it and this is it.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
#1. Liz sends an email to Tessie and Kathy which is an open violation of open meetings laws.
#2 Didn't Liz say in the earlier email that West Springfield would be advanced? So why is she saying herrity is spinning it?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
secret to TJ admission?
()
Date: March 02, 2011 08:16PM
From: karicmeyer@juno.com [karicmeyer@juno.com]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 4/20/2010 11:13:24 PM
Subject: Re: FW: RE: Admissions- TJ
Attachments:
FW_ RE_ Admissions- TJ.msg
Dear Liz,
Thank you for your note, It was great to talk to you last night and understand more of your perspective on the Clifton/crowding issue. I agree with many of your points and I get where you are coming from--given the cost, it is hard to justify a renovation. I am a member of the Clifton community; however, I have not had kids at Clifton for 3 years because they attend the GT program at Willow Springs. As a parent at Willow Springs, I would not want the issues of Clifton’s renovation to interfere with a good decision around alleviating over crowding where it exists. If we don’t renovate Clifton and we build on a site (Liberty or elsewhere) close to Clifton in order to accommodate those kids, we then create extensive boundary changes to fill the new school. Hence, it may be better to swallow the expense of Clifton and build in an appropriate location. Sometimes the right decision for the longer term costs more but creates less community upset as a whole. Just a thought. It’s a tough and complex issue, I know.
Whatever the case, you have done a great job in allowing the community to be involved. I was at a volunteer lunch at school today and had a lively discussion with several parents over these issues. I am thrilled that my parents are engaged!! They are starting to know what’s going on and some have attended the meetings. Thank you for creating a way for people to be informed.
On TJ, wow! You are exposing a huge issue and the numbers show it. I applaud your willingness to step in and address it!! The data is shocking. The most concerning part is that that Black and Hispanic attendance numbers have decreased. In a day when we would like to think that some of these issues are getting sorted out, our nation’s number 1 public high school has decreasing Black and Hispanic minority attendance There is something seriously wrong. I think your comments are right on, based on what I have heard. (Although I had not heard about Longfellow.)
Other concerns I have heard (all anecdotal):
Numerous students at young ages (like 9 or 10) start taking the SAT, study math at private academic centers take summer math enrichment and get tutors, etc. all to prepare for TJ. Some would argue that this is to be expected when there is such a low acceptance rate and who can judge a parent for wanting to prepare their child for advanced placement? Maybe the following questions should be asked: what is it about the selection process that influences the belief that such early and extensive preparation is necessary? Are children who do not have a multi-year preparation plan at a disadvantage?
There is a rumor is that many foreign nationals are taking some of the highly sought after TJ spots. I have no idea if this is true. Some parents believe that, given admission to TJ is a privilege, US citizens should be given top priority. I know this is a hugely controversial issue on many levels.
It is interesting to me that fewer and fewer of my children’s GT friends want to go to TJ or even take the test. I think this is a combination of the reputation of extremely difficult work, the clear message that they are looking for only math and science experts and the perceived cultural imbalance.
I hope this feedback is helpful. Thank you again for sharing your email and I appreciate your willingness to dialog about these critical issues.
Sincerely,
Kari Meyer
Please note: message attached
From: "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)"
To: "'karicmeyer@juno.com'"
Subject: FW: RE: Admissions- TJ
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:23:15 -0400
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 4/20/2010 11:13:24 PM
Subject: Re: FW: RE: Admissions- TJ
Attachments:
FW_ RE_ Admissions- TJ.msg
Dear Liz,
Thank you for your note, It was great to talk to you last night and understand more of your perspective on the Clifton/crowding issue. I agree with many of your points and I get where you are coming from--given the cost, it is hard to justify a renovation. I am a member of the Clifton community; however, I have not had kids at Clifton for 3 years because they attend the GT program at Willow Springs. As a parent at Willow Springs, I would not want the issues of Clifton’s renovation to interfere with a good decision around alleviating over crowding where it exists. If we don’t renovate Clifton and we build on a site (Liberty or elsewhere) close to Clifton in order to accommodate those kids, we then create extensive boundary changes to fill the new school. Hence, it may be better to swallow the expense of Clifton and build in an appropriate location. Sometimes the right decision for the longer term costs more but creates less community upset as a whole. Just a thought. It’s a tough and complex issue, I know.
Whatever the case, you have done a great job in allowing the community to be involved. I was at a volunteer lunch at school today and had a lively discussion with several parents over these issues. I am thrilled that my parents are engaged!! They are starting to know what’s going on and some have attended the meetings. Thank you for creating a way for people to be informed.
On TJ, wow! You are exposing a huge issue and the numbers show it. I applaud your willingness to step in and address it!! The data is shocking. The most concerning part is that that Black and Hispanic attendance numbers have decreased. In a day when we would like to think that some of these issues are getting sorted out, our nation’s number 1 public high school has decreasing Black and Hispanic minority attendance There is something seriously wrong. I think your comments are right on, based on what I have heard. (Although I had not heard about Longfellow.)
Other concerns I have heard (all anecdotal):
Numerous students at young ages (like 9 or 10) start taking the SAT, study math at private academic centers take summer math enrichment and get tutors, etc. all to prepare for TJ. Some would argue that this is to be expected when there is such a low acceptance rate and who can judge a parent for wanting to prepare their child for advanced placement? Maybe the following questions should be asked: what is it about the selection process that influences the belief that such early and extensive preparation is necessary? Are children who do not have a multi-year preparation plan at a disadvantage?
There is a rumor is that many foreign nationals are taking some of the highly sought after TJ spots. I have no idea if this is true. Some parents believe that, given admission to TJ is a privilege, US citizens should be given top priority. I know this is a hugely controversial issue on many levels.
It is interesting to me that fewer and fewer of my children’s GT friends want to go to TJ or even take the test. I think this is a combination of the reputation of extremely difficult work, the clear message that they are looking for only math and science experts and the perceived cultural imbalance.
I hope this feedback is helpful. Thank you again for sharing your email and I appreciate your willingness to dialog about these critical issues.
Sincerely,
Kari Meyer
Please note: message attached
From: "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)"
To: "'karicmeyer@juno.com'"
Subject: FW: RE: Admissions- TJ
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:23:15 -0400
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
promises to SOAR
()
Date: March 02, 2011 08:21PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Tistadt, Dean
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/23/2010 3:28:56 PM
Subject: RE: Design-Build
Attachments:
I will call you I am furious. Telling SOAR people that they can take Clifton’s place on CIP. Continuing with design-build, said he passed something yesterday that the BOS agreed to look at CIP queue and work to increase pace of renovations. Said this was going to go to a vote? He is working on doing your job.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:06 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Design-Build
There is definitely a lesson to be learned in that experience…..
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:04 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE: Design-Build
Can’t believe he is on this call. I told him I had a conference call and he asked with “who” and I was too honest. CRAP!
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:03 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Design-Build
Can’t wait to hear the outcome. Hang tough.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:02 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE: Design-Build
Have a conference call now with SOAR and guess who is on this call too???
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:01 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Design-Build
I hope he reads it before 4.
Do you want to talk before that meeting?
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:00 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE: Design-Build
Lovely…
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 2:54 PM
To: 'pat.herrity@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Herrity, Pat
Cc: 'Bulova, Sharon S.'; School Board Members; School Board Office; Dale, Jack; 'Griffin, Anthony H.'
Subject: Design-Build
Dear Supervisor Herrity,
Several months ago you made mention to me in passing about the school system considering a change in its historical method of managing capital construction projects. Per Liz Bradsher’s request, I would like to provide additional information about our school construction expertise and offer further information regarding your comments that FCPS should consider “design-build” in lieu of our current practice of “design-bid-build”.
The following definition of design-build has been extracted from Wikipedia:
Design-build (or design/build, and abbreviated D-B or D/B accordingly) is a construction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction project delivery system where, in contrast to "design-bid-build http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design-bid-build " (or "design-tender"), the design and construction aspects are contracted for with a single entity known as the design-builder or design-build contractor. The design-builder is usually the general contractor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_contractor , but in many cases it is also the design professional (architect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architect or engineer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer ). This system is used to minimize the project risk for an owner and to reduce the delivery schedule by overlapping the design phase and construction phase of a project. Where the design-builder is the contractor, the design professionals are typically retained directly by the contractor. The most efficient design-builder has design and construction professionals working directly for the same at-risk entity. This is one of the oldest forms of construction since developing from the "master builder" approach.
A primary advantage of design-build appears to be to shorten the delivery time frame of capital projects by overlapping the design and construction phases. Another significant benefit is that owners only have to contract with and deal with a single entity for the entire process versus having separate contracts for design and construction.
It appears to me that design-build can be a very favorable strategy for organizations that have funds for a specific project or projects, have total control over the design of the those projects, and wants to move them to market as quickly as possible. Design-build also works well for organizations that lack internal expertise and thus lack the resources/talents to manage projects from start to finish.
For Fairfax County Public Schools, none of those conditions exist that make design-build advantageous. For example:
· Our main limiter for capital projects is not time to market but rather a lack of sufficient capital funding from the Board of Supervisors. Certainly, we could accelerate projects through a variety of mechanisms but we cannot do so if it would result in our exceeding the annual spending limit of $155 million. While I recognize that this amount from the Board of Supervisors is generous considering the budget situation and the County’s capital needs, this annual limit remains quite low when considering our capital improvement requirements even with the current excellent construction prices that we are obtaining.
· We design our capital projects in collaboration with the school communities. It would be very difficult, if not impossible, to conduct simultaneous design with communities while already starting construction. The School Board continues to place a strong emphasis on community collaboration and transparency.
· We have a great deal of internal expertise and have had no problems managing both design contractors (architects) and construction contractors. Our internal review, oversight, and control processes ensure minimal conflicts between architects and general contractors. In fact, many other school systems ask for our advice and expertise due to our excellent reputation for managing our construction program.
· Finally, we perform phased occupied renovations of schools. This is a relatively unique renovation strategy about which very few design-build firms have expertise or experience. Phased occupied renovations require great attention to issues such as student/staff safety, indoor air quality, and project phasing. It would not be advisable for the school system to contract with a design-build firm that does not have the requisite experience.
For these reasons, we don’t see design-build as being part of a strategy to address the school system’s capital program needs. This is not to say that we have not tried to be creative. We have sold surplus property as a means to raise revenue for capital projects. We executed an energy performance contract that resulted in over $20 million in improvements to nearly 100 schools entirely funded by the energy savings that resulted from the improvements. We acted as the general contractor for the Woodson High School renovation and saved approximately $8 million as a result. We have spent absolutely no capital bond funding to renovate any administrative centers to ensure that the bond funds we do have available are used strictly for schools. We closed and moved one elementary school scheduled for renovation due to significant site constraints that would have increased construction costs. Effective July 1, 2010, we are closing an alternative high school that will not only save operating funds but also will save over $6 million in capital improvements that had been scheduled for that school. Finally, staff has recommended closure of another elementary school with site constraints that will cause higher than typical renovation costs.
I hope this adequately addresses any questions you might have on this subject. I would be happy to respond if you have further questions or need clarification.
Thank you.
Dean Tistadt
To: Tistadt, Dean
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/23/2010 3:28:56 PM
Subject: RE: Design-Build
Attachments:
I will call you I am furious. Telling SOAR people that they can take Clifton’s place on CIP. Continuing with design-build, said he passed something yesterday that the BOS agreed to look at CIP queue and work to increase pace of renovations. Said this was going to go to a vote? He is working on doing your job.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:06 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Design-Build
There is definitely a lesson to be learned in that experience…..
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:04 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE: Design-Build
Can’t believe he is on this call. I told him I had a conference call and he asked with “who” and I was too honest. CRAP!
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:03 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Design-Build
Can’t wait to hear the outcome. Hang tough.
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:02 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE: Design-Build
Have a conference call now with SOAR and guess who is on this call too???
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:01 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Design-Build
I hope he reads it before 4.
Do you want to talk before that meeting?
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:00 PM
To: Tistadt, Dean
Subject: RE: Design-Build
Lovely…
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 2:54 PM
To: 'pat.herrity@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Herrity, Pat
Cc: 'Bulova, Sharon S.'; School Board Members; School Board Office; Dale, Jack; 'Griffin, Anthony H.'
Subject: Design-Build
Dear Supervisor Herrity,
Several months ago you made mention to me in passing about the school system considering a change in its historical method of managing capital construction projects. Per Liz Bradsher’s request, I would like to provide additional information about our school construction expertise and offer further information regarding your comments that FCPS should consider “design-build” in lieu of our current practice of “design-bid-build”.
The following definition of design-build has been extracted from Wikipedia:
Design-build (or design/build, and abbreviated D-B or D/B accordingly) is a construction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction project delivery system where, in contrast to "design-bid-build http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design-bid-build " (or "design-tender"), the design and construction aspects are contracted for with a single entity known as the design-builder or design-build contractor. The design-builder is usually the general contractor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_contractor , but in many cases it is also the design professional (architect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architect or engineer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer ). This system is used to minimize the project risk for an owner and to reduce the delivery schedule by overlapping the design phase and construction phase of a project. Where the design-builder is the contractor, the design professionals are typically retained directly by the contractor. The most efficient design-builder has design and construction professionals working directly for the same at-risk entity. This is one of the oldest forms of construction since developing from the "master builder" approach.
A primary advantage of design-build appears to be to shorten the delivery time frame of capital projects by overlapping the design and construction phases. Another significant benefit is that owners only have to contract with and deal with a single entity for the entire process versus having separate contracts for design and construction.
It appears to me that design-build can be a very favorable strategy for organizations that have funds for a specific project or projects, have total control over the design of the those projects, and wants to move them to market as quickly as possible. Design-build also works well for organizations that lack internal expertise and thus lack the resources/talents to manage projects from start to finish.
For Fairfax County Public Schools, none of those conditions exist that make design-build advantageous. For example:
· Our main limiter for capital projects is not time to market but rather a lack of sufficient capital funding from the Board of Supervisors. Certainly, we could accelerate projects through a variety of mechanisms but we cannot do so if it would result in our exceeding the annual spending limit of $155 million. While I recognize that this amount from the Board of Supervisors is generous considering the budget situation and the County’s capital needs, this annual limit remains quite low when considering our capital improvement requirements even with the current excellent construction prices that we are obtaining.
· We design our capital projects in collaboration with the school communities. It would be very difficult, if not impossible, to conduct simultaneous design with communities while already starting construction. The School Board continues to place a strong emphasis on community collaboration and transparency.
· We have a great deal of internal expertise and have had no problems managing both design contractors (architects) and construction contractors. Our internal review, oversight, and control processes ensure minimal conflicts between architects and general contractors. In fact, many other school systems ask for our advice and expertise due to our excellent reputation for managing our construction program.
· Finally, we perform phased occupied renovations of schools. This is a relatively unique renovation strategy about which very few design-build firms have expertise or experience. Phased occupied renovations require great attention to issues such as student/staff safety, indoor air quality, and project phasing. It would not be advisable for the school system to contract with a design-build firm that does not have the requisite experience.
For these reasons, we don’t see design-build as being part of a strategy to address the school system’s capital program needs. This is not to say that we have not tried to be creative. We have sold surplus property as a means to raise revenue for capital projects. We executed an energy performance contract that resulted in over $20 million in improvements to nearly 100 schools entirely funded by the energy savings that resulted from the improvements. We acted as the general contractor for the Woodson High School renovation and saved approximately $8 million as a result. We have spent absolutely no capital bond funding to renovate any administrative centers to ensure that the bond funds we do have available are used strictly for schools. We closed and moved one elementary school scheduled for renovation due to significant site constraints that would have increased construction costs. Effective July 1, 2010, we are closing an alternative high school that will not only save operating funds but also will save over $6 million in capital improvements that had been scheduled for that school. Finally, staff has recommended closure of another elementary school with site constraints that will cause higher than typical renovation costs.
I hope this adequately addresses any questions you might have on this subject. I would be happy to respond if you have further questions or need clarification.
Thank you.
Dean Tistadt
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz targets Longfellow MS
()
Date: March 02, 2011 08:42PM
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:56 AM
To: Moniuszko, Richard A..; Dale, Jack
Cc: Noonan, Peter J
Subject: RE: Admissions- TJ
Dear Rich and Jack,
During the past several years I have been reviewing certain matters pertinent to Thomas Jefferson. If I recall correctly admissions standards were changed several years ago prior to my serving on the Board. These changes were done to assist with the admissions process to broaden the diversity at Thomas Jefferson. The intent of this change has not taken place, instead when reviewing the data I see a curious trend which has caused me to do some research and to ask some questions.
I have pulled admission data from the years 2004 to the present. First I would like to apologize for my lack of formatting and table skills, however the data is presented and I would appreciate your review of the highlighted trend that concerns me greatly with this school’s admissions:
TJHSST Admissions Statistics for Class of 2009
White 52.93%
African American 2.42%
Hispanic 3.84%
Native American 0.61%
Asian 32.32%
Multiracial 6.26%
Other 1.62%
Total
TJHSST Admissions Statistics for Class of 2010
Ethnic
White 50.10%
African American 1.97%
Hispanic 3.55%
Native American 0 0.00%
Asian 37.87%
Other 1.38%
Multiracial 5.13%
TJHSST Admissions Statistics for Class of 2011
Ethnic
White 51.94%
African American 1.43%
Hispanic 2.66%
Native American 0.00%
Asian 38.45%
Other* 0.61%
Multiracial 4.91%
TJHSST Admissions Statistics for Class 2012
Ethnic
White 42.27%
African American 1.86%
Hispanic 2.06%
Native American 0.62%
Asian 45.15%
Other* 7.22%
Multiracial 0.82%
TJHSST Admissions Statistics for Class 2013
Ethnic
White 36.4%
African American 1.7%
Hispanic 1.3%
Asian 54.2%
Multiracial/Other 6.4%
In your review you will note that despite changes to our admissions process several years ago, Hispanic and African Americans have had no appreciable increase in student admissions, in fact their enrollment has declined. Also, you will note a significant decline in White students for these years. However, what has been brought to my attention is the rather dramatic increase of Asian students being admitted to Thomas Jefferson. Our schools represent the communities they serve with respect to student diversity; likewise I would expect a fairly similar county representation at Thomas Jefferson. Although this school is considered a “Governor’s School” it should, for all intensive purposes, represent the county it serves with the exception of about 50 -60 students which come from neighboring jurisdictions.
Upon further review and discussions with others I have learned there appears to be some unfair practices taking place among certain parents and guardians which assist students with the admission test. I noted there appears to be a disproportionate number of students coming from one of our middle school GT centers, specifically Longfellow, such a situation begs the question; why, what is taking place in this community that is not taking place in others with respect to educational services provided by FCPS and not provided by FCPS? I have also been informed there is a school outside of this country that works to educate students solely for the purpose of being admitted to Thomas Jefferson and apparently is in contact with an organization here in Fairfax County. I do realize as a school system we require only proof of residency for our schools and by no means want to insinuate unfairness to any potential FCPS student. However if certain circumstances are real with regard to admission to Thomas Jefferson then we are allowing a situation of unfairness to exist for those students who live in this county and matriculate through our elementary school system. I have heard many other stories, concerns, and facts as a parent and as a School Board member regarding admissions at Thomas Jefferson, I think it is time we take a hard look at what is taking place and ask some serious questions whether we like the answers or not.
Please let me know how we will proceed with my inquiry. Thank you for your review of the data as well as my concerns. This is an issue I would like to pursue further.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:56 AM
To: Moniuszko, Richard A..; Dale, Jack
Cc: Noonan, Peter J
Subject: RE: Admissions- TJ
Dear Rich and Jack,
During the past several years I have been reviewing certain matters pertinent to Thomas Jefferson. If I recall correctly admissions standards were changed several years ago prior to my serving on the Board. These changes were done to assist with the admissions process to broaden the diversity at Thomas Jefferson. The intent of this change has not taken place, instead when reviewing the data I see a curious trend which has caused me to do some research and to ask some questions.
I have pulled admission data from the years 2004 to the present. First I would like to apologize for my lack of formatting and table skills, however the data is presented and I would appreciate your review of the highlighted trend that concerns me greatly with this school’s admissions:
TJHSST Admissions Statistics for Class of 2009
White 52.93%
African American 2.42%
Hispanic 3.84%
Native American 0.61%
Asian 32.32%
Multiracial 6.26%
Other 1.62%
Total
TJHSST Admissions Statistics for Class of 2010
Ethnic
White 50.10%
African American 1.97%
Hispanic 3.55%
Native American 0 0.00%
Asian 37.87%
Other 1.38%
Multiracial 5.13%
TJHSST Admissions Statistics for Class of 2011
Ethnic
White 51.94%
African American 1.43%
Hispanic 2.66%
Native American 0.00%
Asian 38.45%
Other* 0.61%
Multiracial 4.91%
TJHSST Admissions Statistics for Class 2012
Ethnic
White 42.27%
African American 1.86%
Hispanic 2.06%
Native American 0.62%
Asian 45.15%
Other* 7.22%
Multiracial 0.82%
TJHSST Admissions Statistics for Class 2013
Ethnic
White 36.4%
African American 1.7%
Hispanic 1.3%
Asian 54.2%
Multiracial/Other 6.4%
In your review you will note that despite changes to our admissions process several years ago, Hispanic and African Americans have had no appreciable increase in student admissions, in fact their enrollment has declined. Also, you will note a significant decline in White students for these years. However, what has been brought to my attention is the rather dramatic increase of Asian students being admitted to Thomas Jefferson. Our schools represent the communities they serve with respect to student diversity; likewise I would expect a fairly similar county representation at Thomas Jefferson. Although this school is considered a “Governor’s School” it should, for all intensive purposes, represent the county it serves with the exception of about 50 -60 students which come from neighboring jurisdictions.
Upon further review and discussions with others I have learned there appears to be some unfair practices taking place among certain parents and guardians which assist students with the admission test. I noted there appears to be a disproportionate number of students coming from one of our middle school GT centers, specifically Longfellow, such a situation begs the question; why, what is taking place in this community that is not taking place in others with respect to educational services provided by FCPS and not provided by FCPS? I have also been informed there is a school outside of this country that works to educate students solely for the purpose of being admitted to Thomas Jefferson and apparently is in contact with an organization here in Fairfax County. I do realize as a school system we require only proof of residency for our schools and by no means want to insinuate unfairness to any potential FCPS student. However if certain circumstances are real with regard to admission to Thomas Jefferson then we are allowing a situation of unfairness to exist for those students who live in this county and matriculate through our elementary school system. I have heard many other stories, concerns, and facts as a parent and as a School Board member regarding admissions at Thomas Jefferson, I think it is time we take a hard look at what is taking place and ask some serious questions whether we like the answers or not.
Please let me know how we will proceed with my inquiry. Thank you for your review of the data as well as my concerns. This is an issue I would like to pursue further.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
not fair
()
Date: March 02, 2011 09:19PM
Liz is an awful SB rep, but I do agree with her about TJ admissions. There are kids who move here from Asia in 6th grade, live with relatives, attend TJ, then move back to their native country. It's not fair to FFX County students whose parents pay taxes.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
international students
()
Date: March 03, 2011 07:31AM
There must be more international students at TJ than we think if this is on their website:
http://www.tjhsst.edu/supportingtj/careercenter/ScholInternat.htm
http://www.tjhsst.edu/supportingtj/careercenter/ScholInternat.htm
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TJ is over hyped
()
Date: March 03, 2011 07:45AM
I do not believe TJ is so great that people send their kids over from another country to go to TJ. Now if they stay in the US and go to college here that may be true.
Another poster said that fewer parents that have kids in GT are applying to TJ. How many kids apply from Fairfax and get in?
Another poster said that fewer parents that have kids in GT are applying to TJ. How many kids apply from Fairfax and get in?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
read it
()
Date: March 03, 2011 08:04AM
TJ is over hyped Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I do not believe TJ is so great that people send
> their kids over from another country to go to TJ.
> Now if they stay in the US and go to college here
> that may be true.
>
Believe it.
Reread Bradsher's letter above, esp. where she says:
I have also been informed there is a school outside of this country that works to educate students solely for the purpose of being admitted to Thomas Jefferson and apparently is in contact with an organization here in Fairfax County.
That said, this discussion needs to go to a new thread.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I do not believe TJ is so great that people send
> their kids over from another country to go to TJ.
> Now if they stay in the US and go to college here
> that may be true.
>
Believe it.
Reread Bradsher's letter above, esp. where she says:
I have also been informed there is a school outside of this country that works to educate students solely for the purpose of being admitted to Thomas Jefferson and apparently is in contact with an organization here in Fairfax County.
That said, this discussion needs to go to a new thread.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
achievement
()
Date: March 03, 2011 08:24AM
I wish that Liz Bradsher spent as much time on trying to help low performing students achieve better results as she does trying to attack high performing schools. Stu Gibson recently complained that a volunteer group (FEC) wasn't trying to do enough to help with student achievement. Well, when are the Board Members like Stu and Liz helping students? All that I see them trying to do is attack high performing schools to LOWER the standards to meet low performing students. Why don't they ever focus on the LOW performing schools?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
failing
()
Date: March 03, 2011 09:24AM
achievement Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I wish that Liz Bradsher spent as much time on
> trying to help low performing students achieve
> better results as she does trying to attack high
> performing schools. Stu Gibson recently
> complained that a volunteer group (FEC) wasn't
> trying to do enough to help with student
> achievement. Well, when are the Board Members
> like Stu and Liz helping students? All that I
> see them trying to do is attack high performing
> schools to LOWER the standards to meet low
> performing students. Why don't they ever focus
> on the LOW performing schools?
In Fairfax County, 37 out of 197 schools failed to meet AYP standards in 2009, yet what were the School Board Members spending the bulk of their time talking about? Closing Clifton Elementary and how to change TJ (both award winning schools). There is NO real leadership on the current School Board. They are simply master politicians who know how to divert focus off the real issues in the County. We need new leadership. I hope that Elizabeth SCHULTZ (not Bradsher) and Louise Epstein make it onto the Board during the next election.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I wish that Liz Bradsher spent as much time on
> trying to help low performing students achieve
> better results as she does trying to attack high
> performing schools. Stu Gibson recently
> complained that a volunteer group (FEC) wasn't
> trying to do enough to help with student
> achievement. Well, when are the Board Members
> like Stu and Liz helping students? All that I
> see them trying to do is attack high performing
> schools to LOWER the standards to meet low
> performing students. Why don't they ever focus
> on the LOW performing schools?
In Fairfax County, 37 out of 197 schools failed to meet AYP standards in 2009, yet what were the School Board Members spending the bulk of their time talking about? Closing Clifton Elementary and how to change TJ (both award winning schools). There is NO real leadership on the current School Board. They are simply master politicians who know how to divert focus off the real issues in the County. We need new leadership. I hope that Elizabeth SCHULTZ (not Bradsher) and Louise Epstein make it onto the Board during the next election.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
don't count on her caring
()
Date: March 03, 2011 10:13AM
Liz is bothered by all the "attention" the Blacks and Hispanics are getting already, so don't expect her to care about them.
**********************************************
From: Dale, Jack
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Sun Apr 11 11:31:11 2010
Subject: RE: Re: Clusters, 5, 6, 7
Thanks for sharing thoughts… some very good suggestions
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:52 PM
To: Dale, Jack; Moniuszko, Richard A..
Cc: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Clusters, 5, 6, 7
Dear Jack and Rich,
I just wanted to catch up with you both on some issues that I see taking place in the system and specifically within my district. Before doing so I wanted to thank you for the opportunity to discuss Leadership Team performance. I believe with your management and direction FCPS has a first class educational Leadership Team and I appreciate what you have both done to make our school system one of the most successful system’s in the nation. Also, please know I do appreciate all that Leslie Butz, Betsy Fenske and Linda Burke have done for the students in Clusters, 5, 6, 7. I understand we all have different management styles and appreciate such differences, they seem to work well!
During the last two years I, like other Board members, have attended many meetings, listened to staff members and citizens on matters concerning instruction. All of this has been extremely educational however, what I have noted is that we spend an enormous amount of time on issues relating to a certain percentage of students in certain schools or areas within the county. Very little time is spent on discussing what is being done for the majority of our student population many of whom are A,B,C+ type students. It would be a change from the usual to discuss what we are doing to challenge these students and what happens when we hit the wall with the achievement bands for our A/B type students? How are we challenging these students through innovative curriculum offerings? These students I write about are not TJ bound; rather they work hard, get to school, conform and basically do the work. Little recognition seems to take place from our discussions and our public meetings about such students.
Furthermore, it remains extremely evident there is a School Board member most interested in certain demographic populations and our most “neediest” population. I too believe discussions on such topics are most important, however one might gather from Board notes and transcripts that this all we care about as a system and Board. We all know this is not the case. I wanted to take the time to make you aware of my concern and the need to discuss matters that pertain to all segments of our student populations. Refraining from topics that pertain to all segments of our student populations lends to the perception that the system and Board considers many of our schools and students to be on autopilot thus having minimal needs and therefore little if any discussion needs to take place.
With regard to school promotion I have been noticing there is more FCPS public promotion on certain schools versus others. It is rare to learn and see a dignitary visiting a school outside the beltway. It is rare for me to hear the Star Spangle Banner played or sung by a Springfield District school at our SB meetings. Also it is rare to see a Springfield, Braddock or Sully district school promoted on our FCPS website which promotes schools on a daily basis. Yes, there are times, but it remains rare. For your FYI the following are the schools that have been highlighted in pictures on the main page of the FCPS website during the past 2 weeks, not one Springfield District School nor Sully school was highlighted:
* Waynewood – Mt. Vernon District
* McNair – Hunter Mill District
* Woodburn – Providence District
* Mt. Vernon HS – Mt. Vernon District
* Forest Edge – Hunter Mill District
* Robinson Sec. - County Science Fair – Braddock District
* Forestville – Dranesville District
* Westlawn – Mason District
* Longfellow - Dranesville District, a frequent flyer on the website
* Baileys - Mason District - a frequent flyer on the website
* Twain MS - Lee District
* Springfield Estates - Lee District
* Cooper - Dranesville District
(Please note the school similarities as well as magisterial district similarities)
Finally, our budget this year and for the next several years to come will hit our students and parents hard. Our parents will be paying more and their student(s) may be getting less. Parents in my district will be supporting programs for others while still not having All Day K. We can’t continue to pay for special programs and ignore the expansion of Full Day K. I understand that this is not a budget matter for FY 2011 but we need to make it one in 2012 or at least have a plan. I hope you both understand my concern regarding this instructional issue.
I appreciate your consideration of my email concerns and views and welcome a time to further discuss if so needed, meanwhile, have a great weekend!
Liz B.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
**********************************************
From: Dale, Jack
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Sun Apr 11 11:31:11 2010
Subject: RE: Re: Clusters, 5, 6, 7
Thanks for sharing thoughts… some very good suggestions
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:52 PM
To: Dale, Jack; Moniuszko, Richard A..
Cc: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: Clusters, 5, 6, 7
Dear Jack and Rich,
I just wanted to catch up with you both on some issues that I see taking place in the system and specifically within my district. Before doing so I wanted to thank you for the opportunity to discuss Leadership Team performance. I believe with your management and direction FCPS has a first class educational Leadership Team and I appreciate what you have both done to make our school system one of the most successful system’s in the nation. Also, please know I do appreciate all that Leslie Butz, Betsy Fenske and Linda Burke have done for the students in Clusters, 5, 6, 7. I understand we all have different management styles and appreciate such differences, they seem to work well!
During the last two years I, like other Board members, have attended many meetings, listened to staff members and citizens on matters concerning instruction. All of this has been extremely educational however, what I have noted is that we spend an enormous amount of time on issues relating to a certain percentage of students in certain schools or areas within the county. Very little time is spent on discussing what is being done for the majority of our student population many of whom are A,B,C+ type students. It would be a change from the usual to discuss what we are doing to challenge these students and what happens when we hit the wall with the achievement bands for our A/B type students? How are we challenging these students through innovative curriculum offerings? These students I write about are not TJ bound; rather they work hard, get to school, conform and basically do the work. Little recognition seems to take place from our discussions and our public meetings about such students.
Furthermore, it remains extremely evident there is a School Board member most interested in certain demographic populations and our most “neediest” population. I too believe discussions on such topics are most important, however one might gather from Board notes and transcripts that this all we care about as a system and Board. We all know this is not the case. I wanted to take the time to make you aware of my concern and the need to discuss matters that pertain to all segments of our student populations. Refraining from topics that pertain to all segments of our student populations lends to the perception that the system and Board considers many of our schools and students to be on autopilot thus having minimal needs and therefore little if any discussion needs to take place.
With regard to school promotion I have been noticing there is more FCPS public promotion on certain schools versus others. It is rare to learn and see a dignitary visiting a school outside the beltway. It is rare for me to hear the Star Spangle Banner played or sung by a Springfield District school at our SB meetings. Also it is rare to see a Springfield, Braddock or Sully district school promoted on our FCPS website which promotes schools on a daily basis. Yes, there are times, but it remains rare. For your FYI the following are the schools that have been highlighted in pictures on the main page of the FCPS website during the past 2 weeks, not one Springfield District School nor Sully school was highlighted:
* Waynewood – Mt. Vernon District
* McNair – Hunter Mill District
* Woodburn – Providence District
* Mt. Vernon HS – Mt. Vernon District
* Forest Edge – Hunter Mill District
* Robinson Sec. - County Science Fair – Braddock District
* Forestville – Dranesville District
* Westlawn – Mason District
* Longfellow - Dranesville District, a frequent flyer on the website
* Baileys - Mason District - a frequent flyer on the website
* Twain MS - Lee District
* Springfield Estates - Lee District
* Cooper - Dranesville District
(Please note the school similarities as well as magisterial district similarities)
Finally, our budget this year and for the next several years to come will hit our students and parents hard. Our parents will be paying more and their student(s) may be getting less. Parents in my district will be supporting programs for others while still not having All Day K. We can’t continue to pay for special programs and ignore the expansion of Full Day K. I understand that this is not a budget matter for FY 2011 but we need to make it one in 2012 or at least have a plan. I hope you both understand my concern regarding this instructional issue.
I appreciate your consideration of my email concerns and views and welcome a time to further discuss if so needed, meanwhile, have a great weekend!
Liz B.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
board observer
()
Date: March 03, 2011 10:19AM
Bradsher quote from above letter:
"Furthermore, it remains extremely evident there is a School Board member most interested in certain demographic populations and our most “neediest” population. I too believe discussions on such topics are most important, however one might gather from Board notes and transcripts that this all we care about as a system and Board. We all know this is not the case. I wanted to take the time to make you aware of my concern and the need to discuss matters that pertain to all segments of our student populations. Refraining from topics that pertain to all segments of our student populations lends to the perception that the system and Board considers many of our schools and students to be on autopilot thus having minimal needs and therefore little if any discussion needs to take place."
I assume that she is referring to Tina Hone. Isn't it ironic that Hone voted against closing Clifton if demographics is all she cares about? Could it be that Hone would like to fix the problem rather than cover it up? As I recall, Hone also tried to be helpful during South Lakes.
I do not think that HOne is a one issue School Board member.
"Furthermore, it remains extremely evident there is a School Board member most interested in certain demographic populations and our most “neediest” population. I too believe discussions on such topics are most important, however one might gather from Board notes and transcripts that this all we care about as a system and Board. We all know this is not the case. I wanted to take the time to make you aware of my concern and the need to discuss matters that pertain to all segments of our student populations. Refraining from topics that pertain to all segments of our student populations lends to the perception that the system and Board considers many of our schools and students to be on autopilot thus having minimal needs and therefore little if any discussion needs to take place."
I assume that she is referring to Tina Hone. Isn't it ironic that Hone voted against closing Clifton if demographics is all she cares about? Could it be that Hone would like to fix the problem rather than cover it up? As I recall, Hone also tried to be helpful during South Lakes.
I do not think that HOne is a one issue School Board member.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
what a joke
()
Date: March 03, 2011 10:20AM
don't count on her caring Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz is bothered by all the "attention" the Blacks
> and Hispanics are getting already, so don't expect
> her to care about them.
>
> **********************************************
>
>
> From: Dale, Jack
> To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Sent: Sun Apr 11 11:31:11 2010
> Subject: RE: Re: Clusters, 5, 6, 7
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing thoughts… some very good
> suggestions
> _____________________________________________
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
>
> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:52 PM
> To: Dale, Jack; Moniuszko, Richard A..
> Cc: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member);
> Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
> Subject: Re: Clusters, 5, 6, 7
>
> Dear Jack and Rich,
>
> I just wanted to catch up with you both on some
> issues that I see taking place in the system and
> specifically within my district. Before doing so
> I wanted to thank you for the opportunity to
> discuss Leadership Team performance. I believe
> with your management and direction FCPS has a
> first class educational Leadership Team and I
> appreciate what you have both done to make our
> school system one of the most successful
> system’s in the nation. Also, please know I do
> appreciate all that Leslie Butz, Betsy Fenske and
> Linda Burke have done for the students in
> Clusters, 5, 6, 7. I understand we all have
> different management styles and appreciate such
> differences, they seem to work well!
>
> During the last two years I, like other Board
> members, have attended many meetings, listened to
> staff members and citizens on matters concerning
> instruction. All of this has been extremely
> educational however, what I have noted is that we
> spend an enormous amount of time on issues
> relating to a certain percentage of students in
> certain schools or areas within the county. Very
> little time is spent on discussing what is being
> done for the majority of our student population
> many of whom are A,B,C+ type students. It would
> be a change from the usual to discuss what we are
> doing to challenge these students and what happens
> when we hit the wall with the achievement bands
> for our A/B type students? How are we challenging
> these students through innovative curriculum
> offerings? These students I write about are not
> TJ bound; rather they work hard, get to school,
> conform and basically do the work. Little
> recognition seems to take place from our
> discussions and our public meetings about such
> students.
>
> Furthermore, it remains extremely evident there is
> a School Board member most interested in certain
> demographic populations and our most
> “neediest” population. I too believe
> discussions on such topics are most important,
> however one might gather from Board notes and
> transcripts that this all we care about as a
> system and Board. We all know this is not the
> case. I wanted to take the time to make you aware
> of my concern and the need to discuss matters that
> pertain to all segments of our student
> populations. Refraining from topics that pertain
> to all segments of our student populations lends
> to the perception that the system and Board
> considers many of our schools and students to be
> on autopilot thus having minimal needs and
> therefore little if any discussion needs to take
> place.
>
> With regard to school promotion I have been
> noticing there is more FCPS public promotion on
> certain schools versus others. It is rare to
> learn and see a dignitary visiting a school
> outside the beltway. It is rare for me to hear
> the Star Spangle Banner played or sung by a
> Springfield District school at our SB meetings.
> Also it is rare to see a Springfield, Braddock or
> Sully district school promoted on our FCPS website
> which promotes schools on a daily basis. Yes,
> there are times, but it remains rare. For your
> FYI the following are the schools that have been
> highlighted in pictures on the main page of the
> FCPS website during the past 2 weeks, not one
> Springfield District School nor Sully school was
> highlighted:
>
> * Waynewood – Mt. Vernon District
> * McNair – Hunter Mill District
> * Woodburn – Providence District
> * Mt. Vernon HS – Mt. Vernon District
> * Forest Edge – Hunter Mill District
> * Robinson Sec. - County Science Fair –
> Braddock District
> * Forestville – Dranesville District
> * Westlawn – Mason District
> * Longfellow - Dranesville District, a frequent
> flyer on the website
> * Baileys - Mason District - a frequent flyer on
> the website
> * Twain MS - Lee District
> * Springfield Estates - Lee District
> * Cooper - Dranesville District
>
> (Please note the school similarities as well as
> magisterial district similarities)
>
> Finally, our budget this year and for the next
> several years to come will hit our students and
> parents hard. Our parents will be paying more and
> their student(s) may be getting less. Parents in
> my district will be supporting programs for others
> while still not having All Day K. We can’t
> continue to pay for special programs and ignore
> the expansion of Full Day K. I understand that
> this is not a budget matter for FY 2011 but we
> need to make it one in 2012 or at least have a
> plan. I hope you both understand my concern
> regarding this instructional issue.
>
> I appreciate your consideration of my email
> concerns and views and welcome a time to further
> discuss if so needed, meanwhile, have a great
> weekend!
>
> Liz B.
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
>
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
This is what they spend time on - whose picture is on the website? Is she a child? Or maybe a child of legal drinking age?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz is bothered by all the "attention" the Blacks
> and Hispanics are getting already, so don't expect
> her to care about them.
>
> **********************************************
>
>
> From: Dale, Jack
> To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Sent: Sun Apr 11 11:31:11 2010
> Subject: RE: Re: Clusters, 5, 6, 7
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing thoughts… some very good
> suggestions
> _____________________________________________
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
>
> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:52 PM
> To: Dale, Jack; Moniuszko, Richard A..
> Cc: Smith, Kathy L (School Board Member);
> Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member)
> Subject: Re: Clusters, 5, 6, 7
>
> Dear Jack and Rich,
>
> I just wanted to catch up with you both on some
> issues that I see taking place in the system and
> specifically within my district. Before doing so
> I wanted to thank you for the opportunity to
> discuss Leadership Team performance. I believe
> with your management and direction FCPS has a
> first class educational Leadership Team and I
> appreciate what you have both done to make our
> school system one of the most successful
> system’s in the nation. Also, please know I do
> appreciate all that Leslie Butz, Betsy Fenske and
> Linda Burke have done for the students in
> Clusters, 5, 6, 7. I understand we all have
> different management styles and appreciate such
> differences, they seem to work well!
>
> During the last two years I, like other Board
> members, have attended many meetings, listened to
> staff members and citizens on matters concerning
> instruction. All of this has been extremely
> educational however, what I have noted is that we
> spend an enormous amount of time on issues
> relating to a certain percentage of students in
> certain schools or areas within the county. Very
> little time is spent on discussing what is being
> done for the majority of our student population
> many of whom are A,B,C+ type students. It would
> be a change from the usual to discuss what we are
> doing to challenge these students and what happens
> when we hit the wall with the achievement bands
> for our A/B type students? How are we challenging
> these students through innovative curriculum
> offerings? These students I write about are not
> TJ bound; rather they work hard, get to school,
> conform and basically do the work. Little
> recognition seems to take place from our
> discussions and our public meetings about such
> students.
>
> Furthermore, it remains extremely evident there is
> a School Board member most interested in certain
> demographic populations and our most
> “neediest” population. I too believe
> discussions on such topics are most important,
> however one might gather from Board notes and
> transcripts that this all we care about as a
> system and Board. We all know this is not the
> case. I wanted to take the time to make you aware
> of my concern and the need to discuss matters that
> pertain to all segments of our student
> populations. Refraining from topics that pertain
> to all segments of our student populations lends
> to the perception that the system and Board
> considers many of our schools and students to be
> on autopilot thus having minimal needs and
> therefore little if any discussion needs to take
> place.
>
> With regard to school promotion I have been
> noticing there is more FCPS public promotion on
> certain schools versus others. It is rare to
> learn and see a dignitary visiting a school
> outside the beltway. It is rare for me to hear
> the Star Spangle Banner played or sung by a
> Springfield District school at our SB meetings.
> Also it is rare to see a Springfield, Braddock or
> Sully district school promoted on our FCPS website
> which promotes schools on a daily basis. Yes,
> there are times, but it remains rare. For your
> FYI the following are the schools that have been
> highlighted in pictures on the main page of the
> FCPS website during the past 2 weeks, not one
> Springfield District School nor Sully school was
> highlighted:
>
> * Waynewood – Mt. Vernon District
> * McNair – Hunter Mill District
> * Woodburn – Providence District
> * Mt. Vernon HS – Mt. Vernon District
> * Forest Edge – Hunter Mill District
> * Robinson Sec. - County Science Fair –
> Braddock District
> * Forestville – Dranesville District
> * Westlawn – Mason District
> * Longfellow - Dranesville District, a frequent
> flyer on the website
> * Baileys - Mason District - a frequent flyer on
> the website
> * Twain MS - Lee District
> * Springfield Estates - Lee District
> * Cooper - Dranesville District
>
> (Please note the school similarities as well as
> magisterial district similarities)
>
> Finally, our budget this year and for the next
> several years to come will hit our students and
> parents hard. Our parents will be paying more and
> their student(s) may be getting less. Parents in
> my district will be supporting programs for others
> while still not having All Day K. We can’t
> continue to pay for special programs and ignore
> the expansion of Full Day K. I understand that
> this is not a budget matter for FY 2011 but we
> need to make it one in 2012 or at least have a
> plan. I hope you both understand my concern
> regarding this instructional issue.
>
> I appreciate your consideration of my email
> concerns and views and welcome a time to further
> discuss if so needed, meanwhile, have a great
> weekend!
>
> Liz B.
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
>
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
This is what they spend time on - whose picture is on the website? Is she a child? Or maybe a child of legal drinking age?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: March 03, 2011 10:23AM
Ms. Bradsher swore under oath in court yesterday that she doesn't
"do conference calls" and that she doesn't even know how.
Clearly, from the email below, she does "do" conference calls.
promises to SOAR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> To: Tistadt, Dean
> CC:
> BCC:
> Sent: 6/23/2010 3:28:56 PM
> Subject: RE: Design-Build
>
> Attachments:
>
>
> I will call you I am furious. Telling SOAR people
> that they can take Clifton’s place on CIP.
> Continuing with design-build, said he passed
> something yesterday that the BOS agreed to look at
> CIP queue and work to increase pace of
> renovations. Said this was going to go to a vote?
> He is working on doing your job.
>
>
>
> Liz
>
>
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
>
> Fairfax County School Board
>
> Springfield District
>
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
>
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
>
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Tistadt, Dean
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:06 PM
> To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Subject: RE: Design-Build
>
>
>
> There is definitely a lesson to be learned in that
> experience…..
>
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:04 PM
> To: Tistadt, Dean
> Subject: RE: Design-Build
>
>
>
> Can’t believe he is on this call. I told him I
> had a conference call and he asked with “who”
> and I was too honest. CRAP!
>
>
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
>
> Fairfax County School Board
>
> Springfield District
>
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
>
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
>
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Tistadt, Dean
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:03 PM
> To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Subject: RE: Design-Build
>
>
>
> Can’t wait to hear the outcome. Hang tough.
>
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:02 PM
> To: Tistadt, Dean
> Subject: RE: Design-Build
>
>
>
> Have a conference call now with SOAR and guess who
> is on this call too???
>
>
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
>
> Fairfax County School Board
>
> Springfield District
>
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
>
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
>
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Tistadt, Dean
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:01 PM
> To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Subject: RE: Design-Build
>
>
>
> I hope he reads it before 4.
>
> Do you want to talk before that meeting?
>
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:00 PM
> To: Tistadt, Dean
> Subject: RE: Design-Build
>
>
>
> Lovely…
>
>
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
>
> Fairfax County School Board
>
> Springfield District
>
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
>
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
>
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Tistadt, Dean
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 2:54 PM
> To: 'pat.herrity@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Herrity, Pat
> Cc: 'Bulova, Sharon S.'; School Board Members;
> School Board Office; Dale, Jack; 'Griffin, Anthony
> H.'
> Subject: Design-Build
>
>
>
> Dear Supervisor Herrity,
>
>
>
> Several months ago you made mention to me in
> passing about the school system considering a
> change in its historical method of managing
> capital construction projects. Per Liz
> Bradsher’s request, I would like to provide
> additional information about our school
> construction expertise and offer further
> information regarding your comments that FCPS
> should consider “design-build” in lieu of our
> current practice of “design-bid-build”.
>
>
>
> The following definition of design-build has been
> extracted from Wikipedia:
>
> Design-build (or design/build, and abbreviated D-B
> or D/B accordingly) is a construction project
> delivery system where, in contrast to
> "design-bid-build " (or "design-tender"), the
> design and construction aspects are contracted for
> with a single entity known as the design-builder
> or design-build contractor. The design-builder is
> usually the general contractor , but in many
> cases it is also the design professional
> (architect or engineer ). This system is used
> to minimize the project risk for an owner and to
> reduce the delivery schedule by overlapping the
> design phase and construction phase of a project.
> Where the design-builder is the contractor, the
> design professionals are typically retained
> directly by the contractor. The most efficient
> design-builder has design and construction
> professionals working directly for the same
> at-risk entity. This is one of the oldest forms of
> construction since developing from the "master
> builder" approach.
>
>
>
> A primary advantage of design-build appears to be
> to shorten the delivery time frame of capital
> projects by overlapping the design and
> construction phases. Another significant benefit
> is that owners only have to contract with and deal
> with a single entity for the entire process versus
> having separate contracts for design and
> construction.
>
> It appears to me that design-build can be a very
> favorable strategy for organizations that have
> funds for a specific project or projects, have
> total control over the design of the those
> projects, and wants to move them to market as
> quickly as possible. Design-build also works well
> for organizations that lack internal expertise and
> thus lack the resources/talents to manage projects
> from start to finish.
>
> For Fairfax County Public Schools, none of those
> conditions exist that make design-build
> advantageous. For example:
>
> · Our main limiter for capital projects is
> not time to market but rather a lack of sufficient
> capital funding from the Board of Supervisors.
> Certainly, we could accelerate projects through a
> variety of mechanisms but we cannot do so if it
> would result in our exceeding the annual spending
> limit of $155 million. While I recognize that
> this amount from the Board of Supervisors is
> generous considering the budget situation and the
> County’s capital needs, this annual limit
> remains quite low when considering our capital
> improvement requirements even with the current
> excellent construction prices that we are
> obtaining.
>
> · We design our capital projects in
> collaboration with the school communities. It
> would be very difficult, if not impossible, to
> conduct simultaneous design with communities while
> already starting construction. The School Board
> continues to place a strong emphasis on community
> collaboration and transparency.
>
> · We have a great deal of internal
> expertise and have had no problems managing both
> design contractors (architects) and construction
> contractors. Our internal review, oversight, and
> control processes ensure minimal conflicts between
> architects and general contractors. In fact, many
> other school systems ask for our advice and
> expertise due to our excellent reputation for
> managing our construction program.
>
> · Finally, we perform phased occupied
> renovations of schools. This is a relatively
> unique renovation strategy about which very few
> design-build firms have expertise or experience.
> Phased occupied renovations require great
> attention to issues such as student/staff safety,
> indoor air quality, and project phasing. It would
> not be advisable for the school system to contract
> with a design-build firm that does not have the
> requisite experience.
>
> For these reasons, we don’t see design-build as
> being part of a strategy to address the school
> system’s capital program needs. This is not to
> say that we have not tried to be creative. We
> have sold surplus property as a means to raise
> revenue for capital projects. We executed an
> energy performance contract that resulted in over
> $20 million in improvements to nearly 100 schools
> entirely funded by the energy savings that
> resulted from the improvements. We acted as the
> general contractor for the Woodson High School
> renovation and saved approximately $8 million as a
> result. We have spent absolutely no capital bond
> funding to renovate any administrative centers to
> ensure that the bond funds we do have available
> are used strictly for schools. We closed and
> moved one elementary school scheduled for
> renovation due to significant site constraints
> that would have increased construction costs.
> Effective July 1, 2010, we are closing an
> alternative high school that will not only save
> operating funds but also will save over $6 million
> in capital improvements that had been scheduled
> for that school. Finally, staff has recommended
> closure of another elementary school with site
> constraints that will cause higher than typical
> renovation costs.
>
> I hope this adequately addresses any questions you
> might have on this subject. I would be happy to
> respond if you have further questions or need
> clarification.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Dean Tistadt
"do conference calls" and that she doesn't even know how.
Clearly, from the email below, she does "do" conference calls.
promises to SOAR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> To: Tistadt, Dean
> CC:
> BCC:
> Sent: 6/23/2010 3:28:56 PM
> Subject: RE: Design-Build
>
> Attachments:
>
>
> I will call you I am furious. Telling SOAR people
> that they can take Clifton’s place on CIP.
> Continuing with design-build, said he passed
> something yesterday that the BOS agreed to look at
> CIP queue and work to increase pace of
> renovations. Said this was going to go to a vote?
> He is working on doing your job.
>
>
>
> Liz
>
>
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
>
> Fairfax County School Board
>
> Springfield District
>
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
>
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
>
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Tistadt, Dean
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:06 PM
> To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Subject: RE: Design-Build
>
>
>
> There is definitely a lesson to be learned in that
> experience…..
>
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:04 PM
> To: Tistadt, Dean
> Subject: RE: Design-Build
>
>
>
> Can’t believe he is on this call. I told him I
> had a conference call and he asked with “who”
> and I was too honest. CRAP!
>
>
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
>
> Fairfax County School Board
>
> Springfield District
>
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
>
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
>
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Tistadt, Dean
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:03 PM
> To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Subject: RE: Design-Build
>
>
>
> Can’t wait to hear the outcome. Hang tough.
>
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:02 PM
> To: Tistadt, Dean
> Subject: RE: Design-Build
>
>
>
> Have a conference call now with SOAR and guess who
> is on this call too???
>
>
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
>
> Fairfax County School Board
>
> Springfield District
>
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
>
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
>
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Tistadt, Dean
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:01 PM
> To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Subject: RE: Design-Build
>
>
>
> I hope he reads it before 4.
>
> Do you want to talk before that meeting?
>
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:00 PM
> To: Tistadt, Dean
> Subject: RE: Design-Build
>
>
>
> Lovely…
>
>
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
>
> Fairfax County School Board
>
> Springfield District
>
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
>
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
>
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Tistadt, Dean
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 2:54 PM
> To: 'pat.herrity@fairfaxcounty.gov'; Herrity, Pat
> Cc: 'Bulova, Sharon S.'; School Board Members;
> School Board Office; Dale, Jack; 'Griffin, Anthony
> H.'
> Subject: Design-Build
>
>
>
> Dear Supervisor Herrity,
>
>
>
> Several months ago you made mention to me in
> passing about the school system considering a
> change in its historical method of managing
> capital construction projects. Per Liz
> Bradsher’s request, I would like to provide
> additional information about our school
> construction expertise and offer further
> information regarding your comments that FCPS
> should consider “design-build” in lieu of our
> current practice of “design-bid-build”.
>
>
>
> The following definition of design-build has been
> extracted from Wikipedia:
>
> Design-build (or design/build, and abbreviated D-B
> or D/B accordingly) is a construction project
> delivery system where, in contrast to
> "design-bid-build " (or "design-tender"), the
> design and construction aspects are contracted for
> with a single entity known as the design-builder
> or design-build contractor. The design-builder is
> usually the general contractor , but in many
> cases it is also the design professional
> (architect or engineer ). This system is used
> to minimize the project risk for an owner and to
> reduce the delivery schedule by overlapping the
> design phase and construction phase of a project.
> Where the design-builder is the contractor, the
> design professionals are typically retained
> directly by the contractor. The most efficient
> design-builder has design and construction
> professionals working directly for the same
> at-risk entity. This is one of the oldest forms of
> construction since developing from the "master
> builder" approach.
>
>
>
> A primary advantage of design-build appears to be
> to shorten the delivery time frame of capital
> projects by overlapping the design and
> construction phases. Another significant benefit
> is that owners only have to contract with and deal
> with a single entity for the entire process versus
> having separate contracts for design and
> construction.
>
> It appears to me that design-build can be a very
> favorable strategy for organizations that have
> funds for a specific project or projects, have
> total control over the design of the those
> projects, and wants to move them to market as
> quickly as possible. Design-build also works well
> for organizations that lack internal expertise and
> thus lack the resources/talents to manage projects
> from start to finish.
>
> For Fairfax County Public Schools, none of those
> conditions exist that make design-build
> advantageous. For example:
>
> · Our main limiter for capital projects is
> not time to market but rather a lack of sufficient
> capital funding from the Board of Supervisors.
> Certainly, we could accelerate projects through a
> variety of mechanisms but we cannot do so if it
> would result in our exceeding the annual spending
> limit of $155 million. While I recognize that
> this amount from the Board of Supervisors is
> generous considering the budget situation and the
> County’s capital needs, this annual limit
> remains quite low when considering our capital
> improvement requirements even with the current
> excellent construction prices that we are
> obtaining.
>
> · We design our capital projects in
> collaboration with the school communities. It
> would be very difficult, if not impossible, to
> conduct simultaneous design with communities while
> already starting construction. The School Board
> continues to place a strong emphasis on community
> collaboration and transparency.
>
> · We have a great deal of internal
> expertise and have had no problems managing both
> design contractors (architects) and construction
> contractors. Our internal review, oversight, and
> control processes ensure minimal conflicts between
> architects and general contractors. In fact, many
> other school systems ask for our advice and
> expertise due to our excellent reputation for
> managing our construction program.
>
> · Finally, we perform phased occupied
> renovations of schools. This is a relatively
> unique renovation strategy about which very few
> design-build firms have expertise or experience.
> Phased occupied renovations require great
> attention to issues such as student/staff safety,
> indoor air quality, and project phasing. It would
> not be advisable for the school system to contract
> with a design-build firm that does not have the
> requisite experience.
>
> For these reasons, we don’t see design-build as
> being part of a strategy to address the school
> system’s capital program needs. This is not to
> say that we have not tried to be creative. We
> have sold surplus property as a means to raise
> revenue for capital projects. We executed an
> energy performance contract that resulted in over
> $20 million in improvements to nearly 100 schools
> entirely funded by the energy savings that
> resulted from the improvements. We acted as the
> general contractor for the Woodson High School
> renovation and saved approximately $8 million as a
> result. We have spent absolutely no capital bond
> funding to renovate any administrative centers to
> ensure that the bond funds we do have available
> are used strictly for schools. We closed and
> moved one elementary school scheduled for
> renovation due to significant site constraints
> that would have increased construction costs.
> Effective July 1, 2010, we are closing an
> alternative high school that will not only save
> operating funds but also will save over $6 million
> in capital improvements that had been scheduled
> for that school. Finally, staff has recommended
> closure of another elementary school with site
> constraints that will cause higher than typical
> renovation costs.
>
> I hope this adequately addresses any questions you
> might have on this subject. I would be happy to
> respond if you have further questions or need
> clarification.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Dean Tistadt
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
a TJ dissertation
()
Date: March 03, 2011 10:28AM
A STUDY OF INVIDIOUS RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IN ADMISSIONS AT THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL FOR SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY: MONTY PYTHON AND FRANZ KAFKA MEET A PROBIT REGRESSION
Lloyd Cohen*
In the mid-1980s, the state of Virginia established the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology (hereinafter TJ) in the suburbs of Washington D.C. as a magnet secondary school for the mathematically gifted and inclined. Each year the school admits slightly more than four-hundred freshmen from the three thousand who apply out of the twenty thousand available in the
Jefferson High School for Science and Technology (hereinafter TJ) in the suburbs of Washington D.C. as a magnet secondary school for the mathematically gifted and inclined. Each year the school admits slightly more than four-hundred freshmen from the three thousand who apply out of the twenty thousand available in the 1989, both the boys’ and girls’ crew teams have won numerous medals in various championship events.
What is the root of this success? To begin, we can reject the hypothesis that it is a great infusion of funds that is the cause. Expenditure per student at TJ is only slightly more than that at the average conventional high school in the region. Indeed, in part
because of the age and size of the facility, TJ actually has less in the way of physical resources than most of its neighbors.
While the faculty deserves some credit, its role should not be overstated. Although the high quality of the student body makes TJ an attractive place to teach, the faculty are, for the most part, neither chosen nor rewarded by criteria markedly different from those that prevail at any other northern Virginia high school. Indeed, in the early years immediately following TJ’s conversion from a neighborhood high school to a magnet school, there was little change in the makeup of the faculty.
The lion’s share of the credit for the success of TJ’s students rests with the students themselves. It is they who have made TJ what it is. Arriving on campus with an abundance of intellectual aptitude and good moral character, they create a culture that nourishes anreinforces those virtues.
For those with the requisite talent and character, the opportunity to attend TJ is a great privilege. It provides an intellectually, morally, and socially enriched environment. To avail themselves of this privilege however, selected students and their families pay a considerable price. First, because TJ draws its students from a wide geographic area, most students endure a long commute and have difficulty maintaining school friendships outside of the building. Second, it is believed—perhaps correctly—by some parents that it is somewhat more difficult for TJ students to gain admission to elite universities than it is for equivalent students from ordinary suburban high schools. But, despite these drawbacks, TJ remains a very attractive choice, and each year, close to three thousand of the brightest eighth graders in the region apply for the four-hundred-plus slots available.
The great success of TJ’s students might lead one to conclude that its admissions regime is a finely tuned machine designed to pluck out the best of the best. That conclusion would be unwarranted. Given the large and intellectually well endowed population on which it may draw, almost any admissions process that was not systematically perverse would yield an outstanding student body. But, that does not mean that the admissions decision is of no moment. For the student chosen—assuming he is a good fit—attending TJ is a valuable privilege. To deny him that privilege for some reason other than merit would be a grave and invidious act of discrimination. In addition, finding students who are best able to partake in the culture provides a real benefit to all the others; each member of the community adds to and supports the ethos of the institution.
Lloyd Cohen*
In the mid-1980s, the state of Virginia established the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology (hereinafter TJ) in the suburbs of Washington D.C. as a magnet secondary school for the mathematically gifted and inclined. Each year the school admits slightly more than four-hundred freshmen from the three thousand who apply out of the twenty thousand available in the
Jefferson High School for Science and Technology (hereinafter TJ) in the suburbs of Washington D.C. as a magnet secondary school for the mathematically gifted and inclined. Each year the school admits slightly more than four-hundred freshmen from the three thousand who apply out of the twenty thousand available in the 1989, both the boys’ and girls’ crew teams have won numerous medals in various championship events.
What is the root of this success? To begin, we can reject the hypothesis that it is a great infusion of funds that is the cause. Expenditure per student at TJ is only slightly more than that at the average conventional high school in the region. Indeed, in part
because of the age and size of the facility, TJ actually has less in the way of physical resources than most of its neighbors.
While the faculty deserves some credit, its role should not be overstated. Although the high quality of the student body makes TJ an attractive place to teach, the faculty are, for the most part, neither chosen nor rewarded by criteria markedly different from those that prevail at any other northern Virginia high school. Indeed, in the early years immediately following TJ’s conversion from a neighborhood high school to a magnet school, there was little change in the makeup of the faculty.
The lion’s share of the credit for the success of TJ’s students rests with the students themselves. It is they who have made TJ what it is. Arriving on campus with an abundance of intellectual aptitude and good moral character, they create a culture that nourishes anreinforces those virtues.
For those with the requisite talent and character, the opportunity to attend TJ is a great privilege. It provides an intellectually, morally, and socially enriched environment. To avail themselves of this privilege however, selected students and their families pay a considerable price. First, because TJ draws its students from a wide geographic area, most students endure a long commute and have difficulty maintaining school friendships outside of the building. Second, it is believed—perhaps correctly—by some parents that it is somewhat more difficult for TJ students to gain admission to elite universities than it is for equivalent students from ordinary suburban high schools. But, despite these drawbacks, TJ remains a very attractive choice, and each year, close to three thousand of the brightest eighth graders in the region apply for the four-hundred-plus slots available.
The great success of TJ’s students might lead one to conclude that its admissions regime is a finely tuned machine designed to pluck out the best of the best. That conclusion would be unwarranted. Given the large and intellectually well endowed population on which it may draw, almost any admissions process that was not systematically perverse would yield an outstanding student body. But, that does not mean that the admissions decision is of no moment. For the student chosen—assuming he is a good fit—attending TJ is a valuable privilege. To deny him that privilege for some reason other than merit would be a grave and invidious act of discrimination. In addition, finding students who are best able to partake in the culture provides a real benefit to all the others; each member of the community adds to and supports the ethos of the institution.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
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Date: March 03, 2011 11:17AM
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Preparing for the TJ exam?
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Looking for an edge over the competition?
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Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology ( TJ ) is a Governor's school for Science and Technology in Northern Virginia offering admission to students from Fairfax, Arlington, Fauquier, Loudoun, and Prince William Counties as well as Falls Church City. Students are selected through a rigorous admissions process with an acceptance rate of around 18%; approximately one out of every six students who take the admissions test are admitted.
The TJ Admissions test covers a wide range of challenging topics. It can be very difficult to have a complete grasp of all of the subjects needed for the exam. As the admissions test is an important part of the Thomas Jefferson High School admissions process, you have to score high to ensure your position. Since it is a competitive exam, you may feel you need some help in order to achieve a higher score.
We strongly believe our conceptual teaching approach provide the needed foundation for any high school.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
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the players...fcps employees?
()
Date: March 03, 2011 11:23AM
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Mr. Ram Mada
Ram has been teaching mathematics for over 15 years. He holds Masters Degrees in Mathematics and Education and a Pre-PhD in Education. Ram is one of the authors of Tests for Higher Standards, which are used by school boards in several states. He has experience as Department Chair and Team Lead in various high schools. Ram's approach combines a highly intuitive approach to mathematical problem solving and enthusiasm for the subject to help his students excel.
Dr. Suresh Subramaniam
Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering at the George Washington Univerity in Washington DC. Dr.Subramaniam joined GWU as an Assistant Professor after receiving his PhD degree in Electrical Engineering from the University of Washington (Seattle) in 1997. At GWU, he conducts research into next-generation telecom and computer networks, and teaches courses on a wide variety of subjects including computer networks and computer organization.
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Ms. Dill
Ms.Dill has taught creative writing and studio art for the past eight years in private school settings. She was nominated for the Disney Teacher Awards, honoring creativity in teaching. An award-winning humor and inspirational writer, and director of a professional writers organization in the D.C. metro area, she has been published in newspapers, magazines, and anthologies such as Hallmark’s Laughing Out Loud.
Ms. Padgett
Ms.Padgett received her degree in English from James Madison University and has been teaching English in Fairfax County for fifteen years. She has her endorsement in Gifted and Talented Education and has specialized in International Baccalaureate English. Ms.Padgett has received extensive training in evaluating writing on the HL (higher level) exams and has written an IB Writing Manual. In addition, she has served as IB team leader and trained other teachers in evaluating writing.
Mr. Venkata Are
Co-Founder and strategic planner of MyTJ Prep. An experienced middle school math competitions coach, he has been training kids for over five years. Venkat introduced the MathCounts and AMC 8 programs at Oak Hill ES in 2008 and has coached their MathCounts team. He introduced the AMC 8 competition, "American Computer Science League" (ACSL) in Rachael Carson Middle school in the academic year 2009-2010 and the Team placed at 6th position internationally. He trained several kids in the Rachel Carson and Nysmith MathCounts teams. Venkat has been actively involved in the NorthSouth Foundation educational contests for several years and he is the regional coordinator for Virginia Chapter. Venkat holds a masters degree in Management Information Systems. He is also a successful TJ parent. Email Address: venkata.are@mytjprep.com
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Ms.Zylka received her master’s degree from Syracuse University and is certified by New York and Virginia in English and Gifted and Talented education. Ms. Zylka has written curriculum for both NYS and Fairfax County. She has taught every grade level with a focus on AP Language, AP Literature, and International Baccalaureate English. With her years of professional tutoring experience, Ms. Zylka is a specialist in academic prep and has helped many students to get perfect scores in tests like the TJHSST admission test, SAT , PSAT and ACT. Aside from teaching at MyTjPrep, Ms. Zylka is actively involved in the development of our English curriculum.
Mr. Ram Mada
Ram has been teaching mathematics for over 15 years. He holds Masters Degrees in Mathematics and Education and a Pre-PhD in Education. Ram is one of the authors of Tests for Higher Standards, which are used by school boards in several states. He has experience as Department Chair and Team Lead in various high schools. Ram's approach combines a highly intuitive approach to mathematical problem solving and enthusiasm for the subject to help his students excel.
Dr. Suresh Subramaniam
Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering at the George Washington Univerity in Washington DC. Dr.Subramaniam joined GWU as an Assistant Professor after receiving his PhD degree in Electrical Engineering from the University of Washington (Seattle) in 1997. At GWU, he conducts research into next-generation telecom and computer networks, and teaches courses on a wide variety of subjects including computer networks and computer organization.
Mr. Venkata Allamsetty
Venkata is an academician with passion for Mathematics. He holds Bachelors and Masters Degrees from the Indian Institute Of Technology, Madras ( IITM ) in Mechanical Engineering. He taught Mathematics in India for 11th and 12th graders preparing for IITJEE at reputed institutes like Ramaiah’s, Hyderabad and Brilliant Tutorials, Madras. Several of his students won various math competitions and got into prestigious colleges like IITs and NITs. He is an active volunteer for North South Foundation, Fairfax Chapter.
Ms. Dill
Ms.Dill has taught creative writing and studio art for the past eight years in private school settings. She was nominated for the Disney Teacher Awards, honoring creativity in teaching. An award-winning humor and inspirational writer, and director of a professional writers organization in the D.C. metro area, she has been published in newspapers, magazines, and anthologies such as Hallmark’s Laughing Out Loud.
Ms. Padgett
Ms.Padgett received her degree in English from James Madison University and has been teaching English in Fairfax County for fifteen years. She has her endorsement in Gifted and Talented Education and has specialized in International Baccalaureate English. Ms.Padgett has received extensive training in evaluating writing on the HL (higher level) exams and has written an IB Writing Manual. In addition, she has served as IB team leader and trained other teachers in evaluating writing.
Mr. Venkata Are
Co-Founder and strategic planner of MyTJ Prep. An experienced middle school math competitions coach, he has been training kids for over five years. Venkat introduced the MathCounts and AMC 8 programs at Oak Hill ES in 2008 and has coached their MathCounts team. He introduced the AMC 8 competition, "American Computer Science League" (ACSL) in Rachael Carson Middle school in the academic year 2009-2010 and the Team placed at 6th position internationally. He trained several kids in the Rachel Carson and Nysmith MathCounts teams. Venkat has been actively involved in the NorthSouth Foundation educational contests for several years and he is the regional coordinator for Virginia Chapter. Venkat holds a masters degree in Management Information Systems. He is also a successful TJ parent. Email Address: venkata.are@mytjprep.com
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
the real Clifton
()
Date: March 03, 2011 11:39AM
Look at a map Wrote:
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> Isn't Clifton really just East Manassas Park?
Actually the Bloom's Crossing/Generals Ridge Golf Course section of Manassas Park is just a little more than a mile (as the crow flies) from the town of Clifton. The neighborhood is very similar to Little Rocky Run albeit slightly larger, more modern, and a tad fancier homes than those found in LRR.
This community should seriously consider "pulling a Little Rocky Run" and convert to the more prestigious Clifton Zip Code. However, in the future when these folks start bragging that they are from Clifton, they too like the LRR crowd, will have to be set straight.
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> Isn't Clifton really just East Manassas Park?
Actually the Bloom's Crossing/Generals Ridge Golf Course section of Manassas Park is just a little more than a mile (as the crow flies) from the town of Clifton. The neighborhood is very similar to Little Rocky Run albeit slightly larger, more modern, and a tad fancier homes than those found in LRR.
This community should seriously consider "pulling a Little Rocky Run" and convert to the more prestigious Clifton Zip Code. However, in the future when these folks start bragging that they are from Clifton, they too like the LRR crowd, will have to be set straight.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TJ data
()
Date: March 03, 2011 11:52AM
TJ Admissions Statistics for Class of 2014
Fairfax County Public Schools has offered admission to 480 students for the class of 2014 at Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology.
A total of 3,119 students applied for admission. The majority of the students offered admission reside in Fairfax County (80 percent); students from Arlington, Loudoun, and Prince William Counties and the City of Falls Church were also offered admission. Approximately 90 percent of students offered admission are currently attending public schools.
Gender Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Male 1655 53.1% 272 56.7%
Female 1464 46.9% 208 43.3%
Total 3119 100.0% 480 100.0%
Ethnic Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
White 1277 40.9% 166 34.6%
African American 184 5.9% 4 0.8%
Hispanic 225 7.2% 13 2.7%
Asian 1243 39.9% 276 57.5%
Multiracial, Other* 190 6.1% 21 4.4%
Total 3119 100.0% 480 100.0%
School Type Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Public 2839 91.0% 433 90.2%
Private 280 9.0% 47 9.8%
Total 3119 100.0% 480 100.0%
Math in 8th Grade Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Algebra 1 1830 58.8% 99 20.6%
Geometry 1215 39.0% 334 69.6%
> Geometry 70 2.2% 47 9.8%
Total 3115** 480 100.00%
Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Reduced Fee or Waived Fee Paid 332 10.7% 9 1.9%
* This category includes students who checked "Multiracial" on their application and/or students whose ethnic designation numbered five or fewer.
**Total does not include Math in 8th Grade information for four students who withdrew from the admissions process prior to the entry of math levels in the Admissions database from which these statistics are drawn.
Fairfax County Public Schools has offered admission to 480 students for the class of 2014 at Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology.
A total of 3,119 students applied for admission. The majority of the students offered admission reside in Fairfax County (80 percent); students from Arlington, Loudoun, and Prince William Counties and the City of Falls Church were also offered admission. Approximately 90 percent of students offered admission are currently attending public schools.
Gender Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Male 1655 53.1% 272 56.7%
Female 1464 46.9% 208 43.3%
Total 3119 100.0% 480 100.0%
Ethnic Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
White 1277 40.9% 166 34.6%
African American 184 5.9% 4 0.8%
Hispanic 225 7.2% 13 2.7%
Asian 1243 39.9% 276 57.5%
Multiracial, Other* 190 6.1% 21 4.4%
Total 3119 100.0% 480 100.0%
School Type Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Public 2839 91.0% 433 90.2%
Private 280 9.0% 47 9.8%
Total 3119 100.0% 480 100.0%
Math in 8th Grade Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Algebra 1 1830 58.8% 99 20.6%
Geometry 1215 39.0% 334 69.6%
> Geometry 70 2.2% 47 9.8%
Total 3115** 480 100.00%
Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Reduced Fee or Waived Fee Paid 332 10.7% 9 1.9%
* This category includes students who checked "Multiracial" on their application and/or students whose ethnic designation numbered five or fewer.
**Total does not include Math in 8th Grade information for four students who withdrew from the admissions process prior to the entry of math levels in the Admissions database from which these statistics are drawn.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
C2H5OH
()
Date: March 03, 2011 12:30PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
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> Ms. Bradsher swore under oath in court yesterday
> that she doesn't
> "do conference calls" and that she doesn't even
> know how.
>
> Clearly, from the email below, she does "do"
> conference calls.
Add perjury to the bootlegging charge!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ms. Bradsher swore under oath in court yesterday
> that she doesn't
> "do conference calls" and that she doesn't even
> know how.
>
> Clearly, from the email below, she does "do"
> conference calls.
Add perjury to the bootlegging charge!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz Bradsher needs to do time
()
Date: March 03, 2011 12:34PM
I wish that bitch would do jail time. It will never happen but I can still dream.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
she knew the costs
()
Date: March 03, 2011 12:40PM
Lizzie, liar, liar, pants on fire knew the additions would cost booko bucks so why did she deny this fact as late as October???
*****************************************************************
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [mailto:ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:48 AM
To: 'Erik & Mary Hawkins'
Cc: Hawkins, Erik; Cain, Debora L.
Subject: RE: School Board CIP Review in May Timeframe - Reengage SOAR Leadership
Hi Erik,
Until the budget deliberations are over it will be difficult for me to meet. Our meeting on the budget is this Thursday.
I know Kevin is working on the CIP as I write this to you. Many things are up in the air due to projections, discussions and funding streams. I hope to talk with both Kevin and Dean in the near future on the CIP to determine where staff is going and how we can address those schools in the queue. As it stands now WSHS is on the 2013 bond for planning, 2015 bond for construction funding and construction beginning the summer of 2016. This is approximately 30 years since the school’s last renovation which is standard for our schools but for you and I this time period can be debated with staff. (This economic climate has brought the renovations back into the timeline originally identified for school renovations.)
The Southwestern Study is going to drive certain CIP changes. I do encourage SOAR to study the possible resolves to this study. The reports from the Citizen Committees can be found online, staff will present their report at the June14th work session. Implications to the CIP will be discussed. If we renovate Clifton that will take $11 million and in doing so we will need to also add additions on to 4 other schools, costs about $12 million. We have several interesting funding line items that warrant discussion, 1) a reserve resulting from savings due to fluctuations of construction costs 2) The Undesignated Projects line item.
That is all I know now. I do know that some decisions need to be made by staff and the Board with funding for planning and also we need to discuss the reserve and allocations from the “Undesignated Projects” line item. Discussion for all of this is to take place in June according to Dean. I will know if we will be discussing this as “new business” as well as in our Work Session within the next several weeks and will keep you and SOAR informed.
Please don’t hesitate to continue your communications with staff. It remains important SOAR continue its positive rapport with staff and of course other Board members. We can meet on some strategy perhaps Friday afternoon if you and others are available.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
*****************************************************************
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [mailto:ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:48 AM
To: 'Erik & Mary Hawkins'
Cc: Hawkins, Erik; Cain, Debora L.
Subject: RE: School Board CIP Review in May Timeframe - Reengage SOAR Leadership
Hi Erik,
Until the budget deliberations are over it will be difficult for me to meet. Our meeting on the budget is this Thursday.
I know Kevin is working on the CIP as I write this to you. Many things are up in the air due to projections, discussions and funding streams. I hope to talk with both Kevin and Dean in the near future on the CIP to determine where staff is going and how we can address those schools in the queue. As it stands now WSHS is on the 2013 bond for planning, 2015 bond for construction funding and construction beginning the summer of 2016. This is approximately 30 years since the school’s last renovation which is standard for our schools but for you and I this time period can be debated with staff. (This economic climate has brought the renovations back into the timeline originally identified for school renovations.)
The Southwestern Study is going to drive certain CIP changes. I do encourage SOAR to study the possible resolves to this study. The reports from the Citizen Committees can be found online, staff will present their report at the June14th work session. Implications to the CIP will be discussed. If we renovate Clifton that will take $11 million and in doing so we will need to also add additions on to 4 other schools, costs about $12 million. We have several interesting funding line items that warrant discussion, 1) a reserve resulting from savings due to fluctuations of construction costs 2) The Undesignated Projects line item.
That is all I know now. I do know that some decisions need to be made by staff and the Board with funding for planning and also we need to discuss the reserve and allocations from the “Undesignated Projects” line item. Discussion for all of this is to take place in June according to Dean. I will know if we will be discussing this as “new business” as well as in our Work Session within the next several weeks and will keep you and SOAR informed.
Please don’t hesitate to continue your communications with staff. It remains important SOAR continue its positive rapport with staff and of course other Board members. We can meet on some strategy perhaps Friday afternoon if you and others are available.
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz is done
()
Date: March 03, 2011 01:00PM
These emails are damning enough and they're just what they got from their initial FIOA request. Image what they'll find on the email servers that Liz and her cronies thought that they had deleted. Keep up the pressure Clifton. The rest of us are counting on you to stop this scheme before the other dominoes start to fall.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
what's your point?
()
Date: March 03, 2011 01:22PM
First of all, Manassas is in PW, not FFX, county.
Second of all, chances are good you aren't even from Clifton. Just trying to drum up the hate. That seemed to be a strategy for awhile - until everyone saw how Clifton was wronged via the FOIA'ed emails - and yes, starting considering how Clifton ES closing would affect them, too - as well as what could happen in the future - to any community - if this is allowed to pass.
you're late to the party/that's a tired see-through strategy. give it up.
the real Clifton Wrote:
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> Look at a map Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Isn't Clifton really just East Manassas Park?
>
>
> Actually the Bloom's Crossing/Generals Ridge Golf
> Course section of Manassas Park is just a little
> more than a mile (as the crow flies) from the town
> of Clifton. The neighborhood is very similar to
> Little Rocky Run albeit slightly larger, more
> modern, and a tad fancier homes than those found
> in LRR.
>
> This community should seriously consider "pulling
> a Little Rocky Run" and convert to the more
> prestigious Clifton Zip Code. However, in the
> future when these folks start bragging that they
> are from Clifton, they too like the LRR crowd,
> will have to be set straight.
Second of all, chances are good you aren't even from Clifton. Just trying to drum up the hate. That seemed to be a strategy for awhile - until everyone saw how Clifton was wronged via the FOIA'ed emails - and yes, starting considering how Clifton ES closing would affect them, too - as well as what could happen in the future - to any community - if this is allowed to pass.
you're late to the party/that's a tired see-through strategy. give it up.
the real Clifton Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Look at a map Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Isn't Clifton really just East Manassas Park?
>
>
> Actually the Bloom's Crossing/Generals Ridge Golf
> Course section of Manassas Park is just a little
> more than a mile (as the crow flies) from the town
> of Clifton. The neighborhood is very similar to
> Little Rocky Run albeit slightly larger, more
> modern, and a tad fancier homes than those found
> in LRR.
>
> This community should seriously consider "pulling
> a Little Rocky Run" and convert to the more
> prestigious Clifton Zip Code. However, in the
> future when these folks start bragging that they
> are from Clifton, they too like the LRR crowd,
> will have to be set straight.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
look at a map
()
Date: March 03, 2011 01:26PM
the real Clifton Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Look at a map Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Isn't Clifton really just East Manassas Park?
>
>
> Actually the Bloom's Crossing/Generals Ridge Golf
> Course section of Manassas Park is just a little
> more than a mile (as the crow flies) from the town
> of Clifton. The neighborhood is very similar to
> Little Rocky Run albeit slightly larger, more
> modern, and a tad fancier homes than those found
> in LRR.
>
> This community should seriously consider "pulling
> a Little Rocky Run" and convert to the more
> prestigious Clifton Zip Code. However, in the
> future when these folks start bragging that they
> are from Clifton, they too like the LRR crowd,
> will have to be set straight.
If Manassas Park is that close, do FCPS and PWPS have some sort of reciprocity that you could send your kids to Manassas schools? That would be better than a 40 minute bus ride. Looks like there is Manassas Park ES 4 miles from downtown Clifton. That's probably where you go from groceries, etc. anyway.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Look at a map Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Isn't Clifton really just East Manassas Park?
>
>
> Actually the Bloom's Crossing/Generals Ridge Golf
> Course section of Manassas Park is just a little
> more than a mile (as the crow flies) from the town
> of Clifton. The neighborhood is very similar to
> Little Rocky Run albeit slightly larger, more
> modern, and a tad fancier homes than those found
> in LRR.
>
> This community should seriously consider "pulling
> a Little Rocky Run" and convert to the more
> prestigious Clifton Zip Code. However, in the
> future when these folks start bragging that they
> are from Clifton, they too like the LRR crowd,
> will have to be set straight.
If Manassas Park is that close, do FCPS and PWPS have some sort of reciprocity that you could send your kids to Manassas schools? That would be better than a 40 minute bus ride. Looks like there is Manassas Park ES 4 miles from downtown Clifton. That's probably where you go from groceries, etc. anyway.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Stu hates PTAs involved in this
()
Date: March 03, 2011 01:37PM
At last Thursday's SB meeting Stuie blabbed on and on about how PTAs HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING INVOLVED IN BOUNDARY STUDIES.
Of course, he forgets how he corralled the entire South Lakes HS PTA in pushing his agenda a few years back...but heck, that's different....
Melody Rudy is the PTA head of Little Run Ekem.
Show us the outrage, Stu.
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From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Melody Rudy
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 5/14/2010 3:24:55 PM
Subject: RE: School Board Note
Attachments:
Well said!
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Melody Rudy [mailto:melodyptsa@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 2:36 PM
To: Jennifer Broderick; Albert Francese
Cc: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); aflagel@gmu.edu; larsen family; Vasapoli, Kathy; Alaine Walsh; Amy Riddick; Beth Hollander; Bob Larsen; Brenda Rudolph; Carina Wear; Carol Cleveland; Eatmon, Cassandra; Charlie Rau; Charlie Rau; Chelsea Cripps; David Lacey; David Villyard; Dawn Cassidy; Dawn Fraioli; Deborah Corcoran; Deidre Ray; Diane Saint Germain; Ellen Ryder; Ina Patton; Ina Patton; Jahae Phillips; Jason Ahn; Jean Naka; Jennifer Miner; John Morrison; John R. Valenzuela; John R. Valenzuela; Julie Young Sturans; Kara Prichard; Kelly Hutter; Kieran Hahne; Kim Luckabaugh; Lauren Wagner; Lisa Raisbeck; Lisa Schmidt; Melinda Thompson; Michael Swearingen; Mike Nicholson; Miriam Erickson; Nancy Rosene; Regina Seetoo; Richard Anthony; Sue Sarber; Susan Crystal; Wendy Havens; Yolanda Brooks; James, Denise; Rawat, Ajay; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: Re: School Board Note
Jennifer and Al,
I will give you that the wording should be changed, but it is no more a personal recommendation than that of the Clifton committee stating that closing Clifton would be devastating to the community environment. If you read all the reports they could be taken as personal. All of these ideas are "recommendations" backed up by facts. Everyone needs to step away from the issue personally and look at it all as to what is the best for the county and the majority in the long run.
Melody
________________________________
Of course, he forgets how he corralled the entire South Lakes HS PTA in pushing his agenda a few years back...but heck, that's different....
Melody Rudy is the PTA head of Little Run Ekem.
Show us the outrage, Stu.
******************************************************************************
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Melody Rudy
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 5/14/2010 3:24:55 PM
Subject: RE: School Board Note
Attachments:
Well said!
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________
From: Melody Rudy [mailto:melodyptsa@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 2:36 PM
To: Jennifer Broderick; Albert Francese
Cc: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); aflagel@gmu.edu; larsen family; Vasapoli, Kathy; Alaine Walsh; Amy Riddick; Beth Hollander; Bob Larsen; Brenda Rudolph; Carina Wear; Carol Cleveland; Eatmon, Cassandra; Charlie Rau; Charlie Rau; Chelsea Cripps; David Lacey; David Villyard; Dawn Cassidy; Dawn Fraioli; Deborah Corcoran; Deidre Ray; Diane Saint Germain; Ellen Ryder; Ina Patton; Ina Patton; Jahae Phillips; Jason Ahn; Jean Naka; Jennifer Miner; John Morrison; John R. Valenzuela; John R. Valenzuela; Julie Young Sturans; Kara Prichard; Kelly Hutter; Kieran Hahne; Kim Luckabaugh; Lauren Wagner; Lisa Raisbeck; Lisa Schmidt; Melinda Thompson; Michael Swearingen; Mike Nicholson; Miriam Erickson; Nancy Rosene; Regina Seetoo; Richard Anthony; Sue Sarber; Susan Crystal; Wendy Havens; Yolanda Brooks; James, Denise; Rawat, Ajay; Tistadt, Dean
Subject: Re: School Board Note
Jennifer and Al,
I will give you that the wording should be changed, but it is no more a personal recommendation than that of the Clifton committee stating that closing Clifton would be devastating to the community environment. If you read all the reports they could be taken as personal. All of these ideas are "recommendations" backed up by facts. Everyone needs to step away from the issue personally and look at it all as to what is the best for the county and the majority in the long run.
Melody
________________________________
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
priceless
()
Date: March 03, 2011 01:49PM
Liz's assistant asking her if she even wants to read emails from Clifton.....priceless......
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From: Cain, Debora L. [DLCain@fcps.edu]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC: Cain, Debora L.
BCC:
Sent: 6/10/2010 8:16:24 PM
Subject: RE: Response
Attachments:
OK. Do you want to continue to read the Clifton emails as they arrive and then flip them to me for the response? Or would you prefer not to read them, and I will just periodically check your inbox throughout each day and send responses as necessary?
On another note, please take a deep breath with regard to the red foyer. When the time comes, your vote will represent what is best for all students in FCPS. It will be borne as the result of careful consideration of the facts and figures – a decision that reflects your character, and not one reached through coercion.
________________________________________
Deb Cain
Executive Administrative Assistant to:
Elizabeth (Liz) T. Bradsher, Springfield District
Jim Raney, Member At Large
Patricia (Patty) S. Reed, Providence District
Fairfax County School Board Office
571.423.1070 (phone)
571.423.1067 (fax)
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:55 PM
To: Cain, Debora L.
Subject: RE: Response
Looks excellent.
The foyer is full of red. They are loud and Herrity is here.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
_____________________________________________
From: Cain, Debora L.
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:53 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Response
Liz – I added a bit to your draft response and replaced your link to the FCPS home page with a direct link to the Southwestern Regional Planning Study Community Engagement Process page. Let me know what you think:
Thank you for your email and concern with regard to the Clifton issue and others. At this time, no decision has been made to close Clifton ES. The issues in the southwestern portion of the county are complex and need resolve due to capacity concerns and facility issues. We are working through a process that has been established for the benefit of the public as well as the School Board.
I understand that school issues remain very emotional and decisions are often complex. It is my hope the decisions that will impact the southwestern schools and communities, to include Clifton, are decisions that will be reviewed in their entirety and will result in the best interest of our students and county residents.
Please know that the School Board is reviewing the issues very carefully and understands the decisions made will have implications for the county as a whole. All information and dates regarding action on this issue is available via our website at http://www.fcps.edu/news/swcountyschls.htm. Thank you again for taking the time to write.
________________________________________
Deb Cain
Executive Administrative Assistant to:
Elizabeth (Liz) T. Bradsher, Springfield District
Jim Raney, Member At Large
Patricia (Patty) S. Reed, Providence District
Fairfax County School Board Office
571.423.1070 (phone)
571.423.1067 (fax)
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 3:26 PM
To: Cain, Debora L.
Subject: REsponse
Deb,
Here is the text for the email.
I appreciate your concern for this issue. At this time no decision has been made to close Clifton ES. We are working thought a process that has been established for the benefit of the public as well as the School Board. School issues remain very emotional and decisions are often complex. It is my hope the decisions that will impact the Southwestern schools and communities to include Clifton are decisions that will be reviewed in their entirety and will result in the best interest of our students and county residents.
Sincerely,
Elizabeth Torpey Bradsher
What do you think Deb?
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
********************************************************************************
From: Cain, Debora L. [DLCain@fcps.edu]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC: Cain, Debora L.
BCC:
Sent: 6/10/2010 8:16:24 PM
Subject: RE: Response
Attachments:
OK. Do you want to continue to read the Clifton emails as they arrive and then flip them to me for the response? Or would you prefer not to read them, and I will just periodically check your inbox throughout each day and send responses as necessary?
On another note, please take a deep breath with regard to the red foyer. When the time comes, your vote will represent what is best for all students in FCPS. It will be borne as the result of careful consideration of the facts and figures – a decision that reflects your character, and not one reached through coercion.
________________________________________
Deb Cain
Executive Administrative Assistant to:
Elizabeth (Liz) T. Bradsher, Springfield District
Jim Raney, Member At Large
Patricia (Patty) S. Reed, Providence District
Fairfax County School Board Office
571.423.1070 (phone)
571.423.1067 (fax)
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:55 PM
To: Cain, Debora L.
Subject: RE: Response
Looks excellent.
The foyer is full of red. They are loud and Herrity is here.
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
_____________________________________________
From: Cain, Debora L.
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:53 PM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: RE: Response
Liz – I added a bit to your draft response and replaced your link to the FCPS home page with a direct link to the Southwestern Regional Planning Study Community Engagement Process page. Let me know what you think:
Thank you for your email and concern with regard to the Clifton issue and others. At this time, no decision has been made to close Clifton ES. The issues in the southwestern portion of the county are complex and need resolve due to capacity concerns and facility issues. We are working through a process that has been established for the benefit of the public as well as the School Board.
I understand that school issues remain very emotional and decisions are often complex. It is my hope the decisions that will impact the southwestern schools and communities, to include Clifton, are decisions that will be reviewed in their entirety and will result in the best interest of our students and county residents.
Please know that the School Board is reviewing the issues very carefully and understands the decisions made will have implications for the county as a whole. All information and dates regarding action on this issue is available via our website at http://www.fcps.edu/news/swcountyschls.htm. Thank you again for taking the time to write.
________________________________________
Deb Cain
Executive Administrative Assistant to:
Elizabeth (Liz) T. Bradsher, Springfield District
Jim Raney, Member At Large
Patricia (Patty) S. Reed, Providence District
Fairfax County School Board Office
571.423.1070 (phone)
571.423.1067 (fax)
_____________________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 3:26 PM
To: Cain, Debora L.
Subject: REsponse
Deb,
Here is the text for the email.
I appreciate your concern for this issue. At this time no decision has been made to close Clifton ES. We are working thought a process that has been established for the benefit of the public as well as the School Board. School issues remain very emotional and decisions are often complex. It is my hope the decisions that will impact the Southwestern schools and communities to include Clifton are decisions that will be reviewed in their entirety and will result in the best interest of our students and county residents.
Sincerely,
Elizabeth Torpey Bradsher
What do you think Deb?
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
she never does that
()
Date: March 03, 2011 01:54PM
Didn't Liz say just yesterday that she doesn't violate sunshine laws by communicating with more than one member????
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From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: James, Denise; Burke, Barbara; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Tistadt, Dean
CC: Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Janice Miller
BCC:
Sent: 4/14/2010 10:21:02 AM
Subject: RE: Robinson meeting
Attachments:
Good morning,
This is a very quick email “debrief” on my observations of the meeting last night. It was clear this first Ad Hoc Committee has wonderful co-chairs that are committed to the intent of the process. In addition the Community Outreach Subcommittee did a very professional job outlining the issues and setting up the focus groups. (I would have added additional facts on certain subjects but this was their presentation---not mine or FCPS’s) I know staff assisted with resources and I wanted all of you to know this morning that I am very grateful for all your hard work over the past several months. I realize this has been no easy task.
I am of course still concerned with the issues being presented as a School Board member and realize despite all our efforts we will never be able to separate bias and emotions from these school based issues. Upon reviewing the sign in sheets at the tables I noted about 50% of those attending were from the Clifton community. There was one table with a majority of parents from the Oak Hill community all of whom wanted to continue to attend Oak Hill and apparently were from an “island” within that boundary. At another table there were parents from the Sangster Community who live in Orange Hunt Estates and are the 10% of Sangster that go to Irving and WSHS and want to keep it that way. So what we got last night were residents all interested in keeping, for lack of a better phrase, “their little piece of the pie.”
The issue although about facilities and enrollment morphed into boundaries and as such the Clifton issue was one that was not reviewed based upon factual stats, etc. but rather emotion and also a very important piece, the subject of perceived community. If Clifton remains, thought many that would mean Oak Hill remains, Sangster remains, etc. I spoke to several parents from the Silverbrook community who chose to attend. In their words they said the “tables were stacked” with Clifton parents and their comments were not adequately presented.
I realize we have 3 more meetings and these will be of interest. However, if we can’t overcome tremendous personal/parent bias then I would have to say this form of engagement affords minimal information, despite offering such potential and valuable community awareness.
Liz
PS Perhaps I am having a bad day?
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
*******************************************************************************
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: James, Denise; Burke, Barbara; Hunter, Barbara M. (Gatehouse); Tistadt, Dean
CC: Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Wilson, Tessie (School Board Member); Janice Miller
BCC:
Sent: 4/14/2010 10:21:02 AM
Subject: RE: Robinson meeting
Attachments:
Good morning,
This is a very quick email “debrief” on my observations of the meeting last night. It was clear this first Ad Hoc Committee has wonderful co-chairs that are committed to the intent of the process. In addition the Community Outreach Subcommittee did a very professional job outlining the issues and setting up the focus groups. (I would have added additional facts on certain subjects but this was their presentation---not mine or FCPS’s) I know staff assisted with resources and I wanted all of you to know this morning that I am very grateful for all your hard work over the past several months. I realize this has been no easy task.
I am of course still concerned with the issues being presented as a School Board member and realize despite all our efforts we will never be able to separate bias and emotions from these school based issues. Upon reviewing the sign in sheets at the tables I noted about 50% of those attending were from the Clifton community. There was one table with a majority of parents from the Oak Hill community all of whom wanted to continue to attend Oak Hill and apparently were from an “island” within that boundary. At another table there were parents from the Sangster Community who live in Orange Hunt Estates and are the 10% of Sangster that go to Irving and WSHS and want to keep it that way. So what we got last night were residents all interested in keeping, for lack of a better phrase, “their little piece of the pie.”
The issue although about facilities and enrollment morphed into boundaries and as such the Clifton issue was one that was not reviewed based upon factual stats, etc. but rather emotion and also a very important piece, the subject of perceived community. If Clifton remains, thought many that would mean Oak Hill remains, Sangster remains, etc. I spoke to several parents from the Silverbrook community who chose to attend. In their words they said the “tables were stacked” with Clifton parents and their comments were not adequately presented.
I realize we have 3 more meetings and these will be of interest. However, if we can’t overcome tremendous personal/parent bias then I would have to say this form of engagement affords minimal information, despite offering such potential and valuable community awareness.
Liz
PS Perhaps I am having a bad day?
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz coaching Ilryong
()
Date: March 03, 2011 02:11PM
Why does Ilryong let Bradsher boss him around???
************************************************************
From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member) [IMoon@fcps.edu]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/2/2010 4:57:52 PM
Subject: RE: RE: Clifton Discussion
Attachments:
Thank you. Just listen, that I can do. ^^
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:56 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: RE: Clifton Discussion
On the front web page scroll down to Southwestern Study, click on it. Will take you to study page. Staff was working to place reports on line today.
Final reports should be at the bottom of the list of reports.
Note to the wise-- I know you are meeting with Clifton parents, they can sure talk for a long time---be sure you tell them your time schedule for the meeting!
As an FYI I have not made my mind up on this issue.
Liz
________________________________
************************************************************
From: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member) [IMoon@fcps.edu]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/2/2010 4:57:52 PM
Subject: RE: RE: Clifton Discussion
Attachments:
Thank you. Just listen, that I can do. ^^
Sincerely,
Ilryong Moon
Member At Large
Fairfax County School Board
Joann V. Kinney, Executive Administrative Assistant
571.423.1065 (voice); 571.423.1067 (fax)
________________________________
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:56 PM
To: Moon, Ilryong (School Board Member)
Subject: Re: RE: Clifton Discussion
On the front web page scroll down to Southwestern Study, click on it. Will take you to study page. Staff was working to place reports on line today.
Final reports should be at the bottom of the list of reports.
Note to the wise-- I know you are meeting with Clifton parents, they can sure talk for a long time---be sure you tell them your time schedule for the meeting!
As an FYI I have not made my mind up on this issue.
Liz
________________________________
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
closed meeting was a nono
()
Date: March 03, 2011 02:27PM
Keep in mind that when liz's community was DEMANDING that a middle school be built, Dean Tistadt and staff recommended an addition to the school and said THEY DID NOT NEED A NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL.
How odd then that Liz would say that communities have no say in how renovations are handled.
I guess her friends and neighbors are special.
********************************************************************************
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: James, Denise; Tistadt, Dean; Sneed, Kevin
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/14/2010 7:41:22 AM
Subject: RE: Pertinent to June 14th Clifton ES Visit
Attachments:
You are correct about the tour.
BTW I would have a very hard time if we allowed community members to determine how a school was to be renovated. I don't believe South County was given the opportunity to decided how they wanted the school built? FCPS should be determining such need, materials used, etc.
I think Clifton residents have gone a bit too far with expectations and perceived demands. The school system works for the benefit of all children.
It is only 7:41 and I am a bit testy already!
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-----Original Message-----
From: Sneed, Kevin
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 7:36 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean; James, Denise
Subject: RE: Pertinent to June 14th Clifton ES Visit
I see no reason to include this in today's session, especially the tour which I assumed was to only give the board a sense of scale regarding the school and grounds. Once we open the door to speculating about the billion possible ways to renovate the school we could be there for weeks. If the decision is made to renovate the school we might include input from the community/school.
How odd then that Liz would say that communities have no say in how renovations are handled.
I guess her friends and neighbors are special.
********************************************************************************
From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: James, Denise; Tistadt, Dean; Sneed, Kevin
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/14/2010 7:41:22 AM
Subject: RE: Pertinent to June 14th Clifton ES Visit
Attachments:
You are correct about the tour.
BTW I would have a very hard time if we allowed community members to determine how a school was to be renovated. I don't believe South County was given the opportunity to decided how they wanted the school built? FCPS should be determining such need, materials used, etc.
I think Clifton residents have gone a bit too far with expectations and perceived demands. The school system works for the benefit of all children.
It is only 7:41 and I am a bit testy already!
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
-----Original Message-----
From: Sneed, Kevin
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 7:36 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member); Tistadt, Dean; James, Denise
Subject: RE: Pertinent to June 14th Clifton ES Visit
I see no reason to include this in today's session, especially the tour which I assumed was to only give the board a sense of scale regarding the school and grounds. Once we open the door to speculating about the billion possible ways to renovate the school we could be there for weeks. If the decision is made to renovate the school we might include input from the community/school.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
amazing!
()
Date: March 03, 2011 02:32PM
Liz - 'BTW I would have a very hard time if we allowed community members to determine how a school was to be renovated'
Kevin Sneed, Director, Design and Construction Services, FCPS - 'If the decision is made to renovate the school we _MIGHT_ include input from the community/school'
Who the f*** does these people think they are? I got news for you Liz and Kevin - you work for the taxpayers, assholes.
Kevin Sneed, Director, Design and Construction Services, FCPS - 'If the decision is made to renovate the school we _MIGHT_ include input from the community/school'
Who the f*** does these people think they are? I got news for you Liz and Kevin - you work for the taxpayers, assholes.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Greed on steroids
()
Date: March 03, 2011 02:59PM
COMMUNITY INPUT WELCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Michael Alison Chandler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
A surprise proposal from the Fairfax County executive to spend $10 million to build additional classrooms for South County Secondary School would alleviate crowding on the Lorton campus but could delay or derail plans for a new middle school in the fast-growing area.
County Executive Anthony H. Griffin's proposal to add a wing to the campus is a response to the growth the school experienced soon after opening in 2005. South County Secondary has 2,929 students in seventh through 12th grades, more than 400 above capacity. The proposal was disclosed this month.
Many residents and politicians have long championed a new middle school to ease crowding. Griffin's proposal, which casts doubt on the prospects for a new school, puts them in an awkward position.
"I don't want to be ungrateful," said Fairfax County School Board member Elizabeth T. Bradsher (Springfield). "I appreciate their offer. But if you have this amount of money for a wing, why won't you go all the way and work toward resolving the problem in its entirety?"
Griffin said the county can't afford a new middle school, which officials said could cost $35 million to $40 million if built soon. Instead, he offered to recommend that county supervisors approve $10 million over two years to fund the expansion. The deal is subject to approval from the School Board and the Board of Supervisors.
"I can't fix their problem for them, but I can help them in the short term," Griffin said. He added that he was looking for creative ways to ease crowding, in response to queries from supervisors.
Officials said Griffin's proposal was unusual because it would circumvent the usual process for planning and funding school construction. But as the former Lorton prison and the area around it developed, many residents have lobbied to expedite school construction. Their cause has drawn support from supervisors, state lawmakers, members of Congress and at least one congressional candidate.
Dean Tistadt, the school system's chief operating officer, said he was "pleasantly surprised" by Griffin's offer and called it an "elegant solution to a complicated problem." He said he plans to recommend that the School Board accept it.
The wing would add up to 35 classrooms, enabling the school to rid its parking lot of more than 20 trailers and to operate with the standard seven-period schedule. The school is using a nine-period timetable to accommodate extra students.
Tistadt said the expansion could be completed as early as the 2010-11 school year. That would eliminate the need for a change in South County Secondary's attendance zone, which Tistadt said would otherwise be necessary next year. In the aftermath of a widely unpopular boundary change just approved in western Fairfax, School Board members might find that appealing.
Tistadt acknowledged that expanding South County Secondary would reduce the likelihood of adding a middle school in the area in the near future. But he said an expansion would not rule out a new school, especially if plans to realign the region's military bases bring a wave of students to Fort Belvoir and surrounding neighborhoods.
Many south county residents dispute official assurances that a middle school is unnecessary in the short term.
By Michael Alison Chandler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
A surprise proposal from the Fairfax County executive to spend $10 million to build additional classrooms for South County Secondary School would alleviate crowding on the Lorton campus but could delay or derail plans for a new middle school in the fast-growing area.
County Executive Anthony H. Griffin's proposal to add a wing to the campus is a response to the growth the school experienced soon after opening in 2005. South County Secondary has 2,929 students in seventh through 12th grades, more than 400 above capacity. The proposal was disclosed this month.
Many residents and politicians have long championed a new middle school to ease crowding. Griffin's proposal, which casts doubt on the prospects for a new school, puts them in an awkward position.
"I don't want to be ungrateful," said Fairfax County School Board member Elizabeth T. Bradsher (Springfield). "I appreciate their offer. But if you have this amount of money for a wing, why won't you go all the way and work toward resolving the problem in its entirety?"
Griffin said the county can't afford a new middle school, which officials said could cost $35 million to $40 million if built soon. Instead, he offered to recommend that county supervisors approve $10 million over two years to fund the expansion. The deal is subject to approval from the School Board and the Board of Supervisors.
"I can't fix their problem for them, but I can help them in the short term," Griffin said. He added that he was looking for creative ways to ease crowding, in response to queries from supervisors.
Officials said Griffin's proposal was unusual because it would circumvent the usual process for planning and funding school construction. But as the former Lorton prison and the area around it developed, many residents have lobbied to expedite school construction. Their cause has drawn support from supervisors, state lawmakers, members of Congress and at least one congressional candidate.
Dean Tistadt, the school system's chief operating officer, said he was "pleasantly surprised" by Griffin's offer and called it an "elegant solution to a complicated problem." He said he plans to recommend that the School Board accept it.
The wing would add up to 35 classrooms, enabling the school to rid its parking lot of more than 20 trailers and to operate with the standard seven-period schedule. The school is using a nine-period timetable to accommodate extra students.
Tistadt said the expansion could be completed as early as the 2010-11 school year. That would eliminate the need for a change in South County Secondary's attendance zone, which Tistadt said would otherwise be necessary next year. In the aftermath of a widely unpopular boundary change just approved in western Fairfax, School Board members might find that appealing.
Tistadt acknowledged that expanding South County Secondary would reduce the likelihood of adding a middle school in the area in the near future. But he said an expansion would not rule out a new school, especially if plans to realign the region's military bases bring a wave of students to Fort Belvoir and surrounding neighborhoods.
Many south county residents dispute official assurances that a middle school is unnecessary in the short term.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
$10 or $50 million
()
Date: March 03, 2011 03:06PM
Let's see we can spend $10 million on an addition-funded 100% by the Board of Supervisors......or.....we can borrow $50 million.........
Hey times are tough....lets go for the $50 million........
********************************************************************************
2009 Bond Referendum
The 2009 bond referendum included:
$ 50,000,000 to construct a new middle school in the south county area.
Hey times are tough....lets go for the $50 million........
********************************************************************************
2009 Bond Referendum
The 2009 bond referendum included:
$ 50,000,000 to construct a new middle school in the south county area.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Best Answer Ever!
()
Date: March 03, 2011 03:43PM
wrong info Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bet she can recite the VA ABC store's price list
> from memory.
>
>
> Wrong-she buys her booze in DC- remember?
I cannot stop laughing at this!
The community has read the e-mails [and remembers more] than the school board.
Still laughing!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bet she can recite the VA ABC store's price list
> from memory.
>
>
> Wrong-she buys her booze in DC- remember?
I cannot stop laughing at this!
The community has read the e-mails [and remembers more] than the school board.
Still laughing!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The Last Emperor Must Go
()
Date: March 03, 2011 03:58PM
Tistadt said the expansion could be completed as early as the 2010-11 school year. That would eliminate the need for a change in South County Secondary's attendance zone.
So, FCPS saw that boundary changes weren't a good deal for South County, then screwed the rest of us?
The duplicitiousness of the evil empire is coming to an end.
Mr. Dale - TEAR DOWN THIS WALL (OF MISINFORMATION, PROPAGANDA, AND LAWBREAKING).
And the wall came tumbling down.
So, FCPS saw that boundary changes weren't a good deal for South County, then screwed the rest of us?
The duplicitiousness of the evil empire is coming to an end.
Mr. Dale - TEAR DOWN THIS WALL (OF MISINFORMATION, PROPAGANDA, AND LAWBREAKING).
And the wall came tumbling down.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sangster PTA
()
Date: March 03, 2011 04:29PM
she never does that Wrote:
.> **************************************************
> *****************************
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> To: James, Denise; Burke, Barbara; Hunter, Barbara
> M. (Gatehouse); Tistadt, Dean
> CC: Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Wilson,
> Tessie (School Board Member); Janice Miller
> BCC:
> Sent: 4/14/2010 10:21:02 AM
> Subject: RE: Robinson meeting
>
> Attachments:
>
>
> Good morning,
>
> This is a very quick email “debrief” on my
> observations of the meeting last night. It was
> clear this first Ad Hoc Committee has wonderful
> co-chairs that are committed to the intent of the
> process. In addition the Community Outreach
> Subcommittee did a very professional job outlining
> the issues and setting up the focus groups. (I
> would have added additional facts on certain
> subjects but this was their presentation---not
> mine or FCPS’s) I know staff assisted with
> resources and I wanted all of you to know this
> morning that I am very grateful for all your hard
> work over the past several months. I realize this
> has been no easy task.
>
> I am of course still concerned with the issues
> being presented as a School Board member and
> realize despite all our efforts we will never be
> able to separate bias and emotions from these
> school based issues. Upon reviewing the sign in
> sheets at the tables I noted about 50% of those
> attending were from the Clifton community. There
> was one table with a majority of parents from the
> Oak Hill community all of whom wanted to continue
> to attend Oak Hill and apparently were from an
> “island” within that boundary. At another
> table there were parents from the Sangster
> Community who live in Orange Hunt Estates and are
> the 10% of Sangster that go to Irving and WSHS and
> want to keep it that way. So what we got last
> night were residents all interested in keeping,
> for lack of a better phrase, “their little piece
> of the pie.”
>
> The issue although about facilities and enrollment
> morphed into boundaries and as such the Clifton
> issue was one that was not reviewed based upon
> factual stats, etc. but rather emotion and also a
> very important piece, the subject of perceived
> community. If Clifton remains, thought many that
> would mean Oak Hill remains, Sangster remains,
> etc. I spoke to several parents from the
> Silverbrook community who chose to attend. In
> their words they said the “tables were
> stacked” with Clifton parents and their comments
> were not adequately presented.
>
> I realize we have 3 more meetings and these will
> be of interest. However, if we can’t overcome
> tremendous personal/parent bias then I would have
> to say this form of engagement affords minimal
> information, despite offering such potential and
> valuable community awareness.
>
> Liz
> PS Perhaps I am having a bad day?
>
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
"Percieved community"?! "their little piece of the pie"?!
It's one thing to be thought of fool of (among other things), it's quite another to open your mouth and remove all doubt....
She doesn't even know her own district. There is no Sangster island(10%).
.> **************************************************
> *****************************
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> To: James, Denise; Burke, Barbara; Hunter, Barbara
> M. (Gatehouse); Tistadt, Dean
> CC: Raney, Jim (School Board Member); Wilson,
> Tessie (School Board Member); Janice Miller
> BCC:
> Sent: 4/14/2010 10:21:02 AM
> Subject: RE: Robinson meeting
>
> Attachments:
>
>
> Good morning,
>
> This is a very quick email “debrief” on my
> observations of the meeting last night. It was
> clear this first Ad Hoc Committee has wonderful
> co-chairs that are committed to the intent of the
> process. In addition the Community Outreach
> Subcommittee did a very professional job outlining
> the issues and setting up the focus groups. (I
> would have added additional facts on certain
> subjects but this was their presentation---not
> mine or FCPS’s) I know staff assisted with
> resources and I wanted all of you to know this
> morning that I am very grateful for all your hard
> work over the past several months. I realize this
> has been no easy task.
>
> I am of course still concerned with the issues
> being presented as a School Board member and
> realize despite all our efforts we will never be
> able to separate bias and emotions from these
> school based issues. Upon reviewing the sign in
> sheets at the tables I noted about 50% of those
> attending were from the Clifton community. There
> was one table with a majority of parents from the
> Oak Hill community all of whom wanted to continue
> to attend Oak Hill and apparently were from an
> “island” within that boundary. At another
> table there were parents from the Sangster
> Community who live in Orange Hunt Estates and are
> the 10% of Sangster that go to Irving and WSHS and
> want to keep it that way. So what we got last
> night were residents all interested in keeping,
> for lack of a better phrase, “their little piece
> of the pie.”
>
> The issue although about facilities and enrollment
> morphed into boundaries and as such the Clifton
> issue was one that was not reviewed based upon
> factual stats, etc. but rather emotion and also a
> very important piece, the subject of perceived
> community. If Clifton remains, thought many that
> would mean Oak Hill remains, Sangster remains,
> etc. I spoke to several parents from the
> Silverbrook community who chose to attend. In
> their words they said the “tables were
> stacked” with Clifton parents and their comments
> were not adequately presented.
>
> I realize we have 3 more meetings and these will
> be of interest. However, if we can’t overcome
> tremendous personal/parent bias then I would have
> to say this form of engagement affords minimal
> information, despite offering such potential and
> valuable community awareness.
>
> Liz
> PS Perhaps I am having a bad day?
>
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
"Percieved community"?! "their little piece of the pie"?!
It's one thing to be thought of fool of (among other things), it's quite another to open your mouth and remove all doubt....
She doesn't even know her own district. There is no Sangster island(10%).
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to Sangster PTA
()
Date: March 03, 2011 04:35PM
In addition to no "Sangster Island" --Oak Hill which is mentioned repeatedly in her statement above was not in the boundary study. I imagine she was referring to Oak View. Does she not even know her own schools? or is it Tessie's?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Oak View
()
Date: March 03, 2011 04:40PM
Oak View is in Braddock district---BUT most of the attendees are from Springfield district. Next year, there will be even more Springfield constituents.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
dishonesty rules supreme
()
Date: March 03, 2011 04:48PM
Your tax dollars at work folks.....
When Liz Bradsher's school opens-that she claims is desperately needed and don't forget her fiscal responsibility and how she always acts in the best interests of ALL students......
Based on FCPS data:
SOCO HS and MS current data:
program capacity 1594 (high school)
program capacity 680 (middle school)
total 2274
The high school currently has 1939 students. In 2008-09 it was 2031 so it has gone down.
Now, let's look at the middle school population:
Current enrollment is 868 students. The average middle school has 1014 students, so when this school opens it will have 150 empty seats.
Could surrounding schools have accommodated this "overcrowding" problem?
Lake Braddock HS/MS:
HS enrollment is 2557-program capacity is 2935...378 empty seats
MS enrollment is 1349-program capacity is 1584...235 empty seats
TOTAL EMPTY SEATS AT LBSS: 613
How about Hayfield which is where a lot of these SOCO were pulled FROM:
Hayfield HS enrollment is 1950-program capacity is 2235...285 empty seats
Hayfield MS enrollment is 987=program capacity is 1215....228 empty seats
GRAND TOTAL of just Hayfield and Lake Braddock is 1126 EMPTY SEATS...
And I didn't even look at Mt Vernon and Lee.
This is government at its worst.
They lie to get what they want and they waste precious financial resources that could be used for other schools.
Why the bleepity bleep did SOAR care about the pittance involving Clifton-where there really is no savings and they stood by and let Bradsher build this $50 million school that we don't even need?
I am disgusted with all of them.
When Liz Bradsher's school opens-that she claims is desperately needed and don't forget her fiscal responsibility and how she always acts in the best interests of ALL students......
Based on FCPS data:
SOCO HS and MS current data:
program capacity 1594 (high school)
program capacity 680 (middle school)
total 2274
The high school currently has 1939 students. In 2008-09 it was 2031 so it has gone down.
Now, let's look at the middle school population:
Current enrollment is 868 students. The average middle school has 1014 students, so when this school opens it will have 150 empty seats.
Could surrounding schools have accommodated this "overcrowding" problem?
Lake Braddock HS/MS:
HS enrollment is 2557-program capacity is 2935...378 empty seats
MS enrollment is 1349-program capacity is 1584...235 empty seats
TOTAL EMPTY SEATS AT LBSS: 613
How about Hayfield which is where a lot of these SOCO were pulled FROM:
Hayfield HS enrollment is 1950-program capacity is 2235...285 empty seats
Hayfield MS enrollment is 987=program capacity is 1215....228 empty seats
GRAND TOTAL of just Hayfield and Lake Braddock is 1126 EMPTY SEATS...
And I didn't even look at Mt Vernon and Lee.
This is government at its worst.
They lie to get what they want and they waste precious financial resources that could be used for other schools.
Why the bleepity bleep did SOAR care about the pittance involving Clifton-where there really is no savings and they stood by and let Bradsher build this $50 million school that we don't even need?
I am disgusted with all of them.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
plenty of opportunities to fix it
()
Date: March 03, 2011 04:59PM
What is really over the top abusive about this is that the SOCO community fought hard against any redistricting because they knew if FCPS shuffled the kids around to all the schools with empty seats then they wouldn't even need their stupid school.
Now they cry, waaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh, our schools are overcrowded-we need fifty million dollars.
They take the words selfish and self serving to a whole new level.
Now they cry, waaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh, our schools are overcrowded-we need fifty million dollars.
They take the words selfish and self serving to a whole new level.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
veteran of West County redistricting
()
Date: March 03, 2011 05:01PM
Liz was new to the Board during West county redistricting. She made it clear to individuals that she would do nothing to jeopardize getting "her" school built. She knew she needed votes from other members.
This "hands off" other districts is reasonable--IF you have a reasonable representative. It is ridiculous when you have a Liz or a Stu.
This "hands off" other districts is reasonable--IF you have a reasonable representative. It is ridiculous when you have a Liz or a Stu.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Pat Herrity
()
Date: March 03, 2011 05:08PM
dishonesty rules supreme Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> I am disgusted with all of them.
So, move already.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> I am disgusted with all of them.
So, move already.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I disagree strongly
()
Date: March 03, 2011 05:15PM
That philosoph of a "hands off" attitude toward other districts is irresponsible.
If everyone just agrees with other members' "Bridge to nowhere" projects-we are in serious trouble.
Stu-as much of a jerk as he is-was the only one to vote against SOCO MS. He felt no obligation to return Liz's favor by granting him his carnage involving South Lakes.
We have spineless elected officials with no morals...there lies the problem.
If everyone just agrees with other members' "Bridge to nowhere" projects-we are in serious trouble.
Stu-as much of a jerk as he is-was the only one to vote against SOCO MS. He felt no obligation to return Liz's favor by granting him his carnage involving South Lakes.
We have spineless elected officials with no morals...there lies the problem.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
veteran
()
Date: March 03, 2011 05:22PM
If Liz had needed his vote, Stu would have given it to her.
Staff has responsibility in this, too. Tistadt was awfully anxious to close Clifton--which is especially troubling since he ultimately supported Liz on South County.
Have there been any rumours about what FCPS wants to do with it? I found Liz's statement about razing it for 1M troubling.
Staff has responsibility in this, too. Tistadt was awfully anxious to close Clifton--which is especially troubling since he ultimately supported Liz on South County.
Have there been any rumours about what FCPS wants to do with it? I found Liz's statement about razing it for 1M troubling.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: March 03, 2011 06:03PM
dishonesty rules supreme Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Your tax dollars at work folks.....
>
> When Liz Bradsher's school opens-that she claims
> is desperately needed and don't forget her fiscal
> responsibility and how she always acts in the best
> interests of ALL students......
>
> Based on FCPS data:
>
> SOCO HS and MS current data:
>
> program capacity 1594 (high school)
> program capacity 680 (middle school)
>
> total 2274
>
> The high school currently has 1939 students. In
> 2008-09 it was 2031 so it has gone down.
>
>
> Now, let's look at the middle school population:
>
>
> Current enrollment is 868 students. The average
> middle school has 1014 students, so when this
> school opens it will have 150 empty seats.
>
> Could surrounding schools have accommodated this
> "overcrowding" problem?
>
> Lake Braddock HS/MS:
>
> HS enrollment is 2557-program capacity is
> 2935...378 empty seats
> MS enrollment is 1349-program capacity is
> 1584...235 empty seats
>
> TOTAL EMPTY SEATS AT LBSS: 613
>
>
> How about Hayfield which is where a lot of these
> SOCO were pulled FROM:
>
> Hayfield HS enrollment is 1950-program capacity is
> 2235...285 empty seats
> Hayfield MS enrollment is 987=program capacity is
> 1215....228 empty seats
>
> GRAND TOTAL of just Hayfield and Lake Braddock is
> 1126 EMPTY SEATS...
>
> And I didn't even look at Mt Vernon and Lee.
>
> This is government at its worst.
>
> They lie to get what they want and they waste
> precious financial resources that could be used
> for other schools.
>
> Why the bleepity bleep did SOAR care about the
> pittance involving Clifton-where there really is
> no savings and they stood by and let Bradsher
> build this $50 million school that we don't even
> need?
>
> I am disgusted with all of them.
Liz didn't want to let any of the Lorton (nka Laurel Hill) kids to get any Lake Braddock, Mount Vernon, Hayfield or Lee on them to track into their million dollar homes.
Just pathetic.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2011 06:05PM by Thomas More.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Your tax dollars at work folks.....
>
> When Liz Bradsher's school opens-that she claims
> is desperately needed and don't forget her fiscal
> responsibility and how she always acts in the best
> interests of ALL students......
>
> Based on FCPS data:
>
> SOCO HS and MS current data:
>
> program capacity 1594 (high school)
> program capacity 680 (middle school)
>
> total 2274
>
> The high school currently has 1939 students. In
> 2008-09 it was 2031 so it has gone down.
>
>
> Now, let's look at the middle school population:
>
>
> Current enrollment is 868 students. The average
> middle school has 1014 students, so when this
> school opens it will have 150 empty seats.
>
> Could surrounding schools have accommodated this
> "overcrowding" problem?
>
> Lake Braddock HS/MS:
>
> HS enrollment is 2557-program capacity is
> 2935...378 empty seats
> MS enrollment is 1349-program capacity is
> 1584...235 empty seats
>
> TOTAL EMPTY SEATS AT LBSS: 613
>
>
> How about Hayfield which is where a lot of these
> SOCO were pulled FROM:
>
> Hayfield HS enrollment is 1950-program capacity is
> 2235...285 empty seats
> Hayfield MS enrollment is 987=program capacity is
> 1215....228 empty seats
>
> GRAND TOTAL of just Hayfield and Lake Braddock is
> 1126 EMPTY SEATS...
>
> And I didn't even look at Mt Vernon and Lee.
>
> This is government at its worst.
>
> They lie to get what they want and they waste
> precious financial resources that could be used
> for other schools.
>
> Why the bleepity bleep did SOAR care about the
> pittance involving Clifton-where there really is
> no savings and they stood by and let Bradsher
> build this $50 million school that we don't even
> need?
>
> I am disgusted with all of them.
Liz didn't want to let any of the Lorton (nka Laurel Hill) kids to get any Lake Braddock, Mount Vernon, Hayfield or Lee on them to track into their million dollar homes.
Just pathetic.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2011 06:05PM by Thomas More.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To: Thomas More
()
Date: March 03, 2011 06:28PM
Thomas: You need to calm down or STFU.
You are going to suffer a heart attack.
Either you are part of the solution or part of the problem. Which are you?
Now think again, which are YOU!
You are going to suffer a heart attack.
Either you are part of the solution or part of the problem. Which are you?
Now think again, which are YOU!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SangsterPTA
()
Date: March 03, 2011 07:51PM
to Sangster PTA Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> In addition to no "Sangster Island" --Oak Hill
> which is mentioned repeatedly in her statement
> above was not in the boundary study. I imagine
> she was referring to Oak View. Does she not even
> know her own schools? or is it Tessie's?
No she does NOT know her own schools. She prostituted herself at the Sangster PTA meeting on Tuesday, telling people she was "owed" something, referring to FDK, for closing Clifton and Pimmit Hills. Unfuckingbelievable.
-------------------------------------------------------
> In addition to no "Sangster Island" --Oak Hill
> which is mentioned repeatedly in her statement
> above was not in the boundary study. I imagine
> she was referring to Oak View. Does she not even
> know her own schools? or is it Tessie's?
No she does NOT know her own schools. She prostituted herself at the Sangster PTA meeting on Tuesday, telling people she was "owed" something, referring to FDK, for closing Clifton and Pimmit Hills. Unfuckingbelievable.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Pathetic SB
()
Date: March 03, 2011 08:53PM
I have talked to so many people - they all seem to think that many of the school board members who are not running again could care less and are just on a KAMIKAZE mission - destroy the Clifton community at all costs, spread kids around without a long term plan, etc... How sad. And how unfortunate for our kids.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: March 03, 2011 08:57PM
To: Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas: You need to calm down or STFU.
>
> You are going to suffer a heart attack.
>
> Either you are part of the solution or part of the
> problem. Which are you?
>
> Now think again, which are YOU!
another troll appears, get lost
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas: You need to calm down or STFU.
>
> You are going to suffer a heart attack.
>
> Either you are part of the solution or part of the
> problem. Which are you?
>
> Now think again, which are YOU!
another troll appears, get lost
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To Thomas
()
Date: March 03, 2011 09:00PM
Wow,
You only called me a troll.
Thanks!
I am here forever. You figure it out.
You only called me a troll.
Thanks!
I am here forever. You figure it out.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Spartan Parent
()
Date: March 04, 2011 07:58AM
Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> dishonesty rules supreme Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Your tax dollars at work folks.....
> >
> > When Liz Bradsher's school opens-that she
> claims
> > is desperately needed and don't forget her
> fiscal
> > responsibility and how she always acts in the
> best
> > interests of ALL students......
> >
> > Based on FCPS data:
> >
> > SOCO HS and MS current data:
> >
> > program capacity 1594 (high school)
> > program capacity 680 (middle school)
> >
> > total 2274
> >
> > The high school currently has 1939 students.
> In
> > 2008-09 it was 2031 so it has gone down.
> >
> >
> > Now, let's look at the middle school
> population:
> >
> >
> > Current enrollment is 868 students. The average
> > middle school has 1014 students, so when this
> > school opens it will have 150 empty seats.
> >
> > Could surrounding schools have accommodated
> this
> > "overcrowding" problem?
> >
> > Lake Braddock HS/MS:
> >
> > HS enrollment is 2557-program capacity is
> > 2935...378 empty seats
> > MS enrollment is 1349-program capacity is
> > 1584...235 empty seats
> >
> > TOTAL EMPTY SEATS AT LBSS: 613
> >
> >
> > How about Hayfield which is where a lot of
> these
> > SOCO were pulled FROM:
> >
> > Hayfield HS enrollment is 1950-program capacity
> is
> > 2235...285 empty seats
> > Hayfield MS enrollment is 987=program capacity
> is
> > 1215....228 empty seats
> >
> > GRAND TOTAL of just Hayfield and Lake Braddock
> is
> > 1126 EMPTY SEATS...
> >
> > And I didn't even look at Mt Vernon and Lee.
> >
> > This is government at its worst.
> >
> > They lie to get what they want and they waste
> > precious financial resources that could be used
> > for other schools.
> >
> > Why the bleepity bleep did SOAR care about the
> > pittance involving Clifton-where there really
> is
> > no savings and they stood by and let Bradsher
> > build this $50 million school that we don't
> even
> > need?
> >
> > I am disgusted with all of them.
>
> Liz didn't want to let any of the Lorton (nka
> Laurel Hill) kids to get any Lake Braddock, Mount
> Vernon, Hayfield or Lee on them to track into
> their million dollar homes.
>
> Just pathetic.
+1
YES! This is exactly the (most recent) reason why WSHS slipped through the cracks...again for a complete renovation. The SB ignored these numbers no matter how many times we spelled it out for them. They have to pump cement under the stair case to keep it from collapsing for Godsake.
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> dishonesty rules supreme Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Your tax dollars at work folks.....
> >
> > When Liz Bradsher's school opens-that she
> claims
> > is desperately needed and don't forget her
> fiscal
> > responsibility and how she always acts in the
> best
> > interests of ALL students......
> >
> > Based on FCPS data:
> >
> > SOCO HS and MS current data:
> >
> > program capacity 1594 (high school)
> > program capacity 680 (middle school)
> >
> > total 2274
> >
> > The high school currently has 1939 students.
> In
> > 2008-09 it was 2031 so it has gone down.
> >
> >
> > Now, let's look at the middle school
> population:
> >
> >
> > Current enrollment is 868 students. The average
> > middle school has 1014 students, so when this
> > school opens it will have 150 empty seats.
> >
> > Could surrounding schools have accommodated
> this
> > "overcrowding" problem?
> >
> > Lake Braddock HS/MS:
> >
> > HS enrollment is 2557-program capacity is
> > 2935...378 empty seats
> > MS enrollment is 1349-program capacity is
> > 1584...235 empty seats
> >
> > TOTAL EMPTY SEATS AT LBSS: 613
> >
> >
> > How about Hayfield which is where a lot of
> these
> > SOCO were pulled FROM:
> >
> > Hayfield HS enrollment is 1950-program capacity
> is
> > 2235...285 empty seats
> > Hayfield MS enrollment is 987=program capacity
> is
> > 1215....228 empty seats
> >
> > GRAND TOTAL of just Hayfield and Lake Braddock
> is
> > 1126 EMPTY SEATS...
> >
> > And I didn't even look at Mt Vernon and Lee.
> >
> > This is government at its worst.
> >
> > They lie to get what they want and they waste
> > precious financial resources that could be used
> > for other schools.
> >
> > Why the bleepity bleep did SOAR care about the
> > pittance involving Clifton-where there really
> is
> > no savings and they stood by and let Bradsher
> > build this $50 million school that we don't
> even
> > need?
> >
> > I am disgusted with all of them.
>
> Liz didn't want to let any of the Lorton (nka
> Laurel Hill) kids to get any Lake Braddock, Mount
> Vernon, Hayfield or Lee on them to track into
> their million dollar homes.
>
> Just pathetic.
+1
YES! This is exactly the (most recent) reason why WSHS slipped through the cracks...again for a complete renovation. The SB ignored these numbers no matter how many times we spelled it out for them. They have to pump cement under the stair case to keep it from collapsing for Godsake.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
NotCallous
()
Date: March 04, 2011 08:22AM
SangsterPTA Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> to Sangster PTA Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In addition to no "Sangster Island" --Oak Hill
> > which is mentioned repeatedly in her statement
> > above was not in the boundary study. I imagine
> > she was referring to Oak View. Does she not
> even
> > know her own schools? or is it Tessie's?
>
> No she does NOT know her own schools. She
> prostituted herself at the Sangster PTA meeting on
> Tuesday, telling people she was "owed" something,
> referring to FDK, for closing Clifton and Pimmit
> Hills. Unfuckingbelievable.
Not sure how the Sangster parents "owe" her. They didn't really close Pimmit Hills. They kicked the kids out and turned it into a bus driver training facility so now taxpayers are spending more money on Administration and getting less service to students.
Closing Clifton isn't saving any money either since the multiple additions are going to cost much more than renovating Clifton would and Clifton really never needed all the renovations they proposed in the first place. It sounds like they want to knock the building down. This is likely one big plan to force people into letting them build a new school in the area since the first attempt to put the kids on asbestos land didn't go over so well.
What I just can't understand is how any human with any emotion can be so callous about how they are impacting the lives of thousands of YOUNG children. This impacts more than Clifton now too because there are so many other schools involved. These are children who aren't going to see their best friends anymore, aren't going to see the familiar faces of teachers they were with, aren't going to get to start school with a feeling of stability and security, etc. Same thing for the teachers. The poor teachers have suffered all year not even knowing if they are going to have a job next year and be able to support their families.. What did they do to deserve this?
I would hope that Sangster parents aren't buying her BS or that makes them as callous and selfish as she is. Liz only seems to care about the PTAs when they serve a purpose TO HER because she had no trouble at all dismissing the 12 PTAs that were against her boundary changes and closing Clifton.
-------------------------------------------------------
> to Sangster PTA Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In addition to no "Sangster Island" --Oak Hill
> > which is mentioned repeatedly in her statement
> > above was not in the boundary study. I imagine
> > she was referring to Oak View. Does she not
> even
> > know her own schools? or is it Tessie's?
>
> No she does NOT know her own schools. She
> prostituted herself at the Sangster PTA meeting on
> Tuesday, telling people she was "owed" something,
> referring to FDK, for closing Clifton and Pimmit
> Hills. Unfuckingbelievable.
Not sure how the Sangster parents "owe" her. They didn't really close Pimmit Hills. They kicked the kids out and turned it into a bus driver training facility so now taxpayers are spending more money on Administration and getting less service to students.
Closing Clifton isn't saving any money either since the multiple additions are going to cost much more than renovating Clifton would and Clifton really never needed all the renovations they proposed in the first place. It sounds like they want to knock the building down. This is likely one big plan to force people into letting them build a new school in the area since the first attempt to put the kids on asbestos land didn't go over so well.
What I just can't understand is how any human with any emotion can be so callous about how they are impacting the lives of thousands of YOUNG children. This impacts more than Clifton now too because there are so many other schools involved. These are children who aren't going to see their best friends anymore, aren't going to see the familiar faces of teachers they were with, aren't going to get to start school with a feeling of stability and security, etc. Same thing for the teachers. The poor teachers have suffered all year not even knowing if they are going to have a job next year and be able to support their families.. What did they do to deserve this?
I would hope that Sangster parents aren't buying her BS or that makes them as callous and selfish as she is. Liz only seems to care about the PTAs when they serve a purpose TO HER because she had no trouble at all dismissing the 12 PTAs that were against her boundary changes and closing Clifton.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
<>
()
Date: March 04, 2011 09:18AM
"dismissing the 12 PTAs that were against her boundary changes"
The SB did a smart thing ignoring the PTA's most of whom react hysterically to any change. My experience with PTA's are that they are a closed group and rarely take up suggestions/concerns from other parents.
Even when they passed a resolution appealing against this proposal, they did not get feedback from the involved parents.
So, yeah the SB was right in seeing through the PTA BS. They need to stick to helping to improve curriculum, etc.
The SB did a smart thing ignoring the PTA's most of whom react hysterically to any change. My experience with PTA's are that they are a closed group and rarely take up suggestions/concerns from other parents.
Even when they passed a resolution appealing against this proposal, they did not get feedback from the involved parents.
So, yeah the SB was right in seeing through the PTA BS. They need to stick to helping to improve curriculum, etc.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
puzzlement
()
Date: March 04, 2011 09:25AM
Let me get this straight:
Smith tells PTA at Virginia Run that personal emails to board members are more effective than the PTA resolution.
Bradhser's assistant asks Liz if she wants to read her emails or have the assistant send automatic response.
Now, tell me--how is one supposed to convey his/her opinion to School board members:
According to Smith, the PTA resolution is inappropriate
According to email from assistant, members are not reading emails......
It's a puzzlement.
Dale did not respond to parents about the discipline issue.
SB members did not respond to parents about discipline issue(Hone is the exception.)
Dale responded defensively to BOS--essentially telling them that it was none of their business.
The Washington Post publishes a front page article and community suddently gets dialogue it has been requesting for years.
Does anyone else have a problem with this?
Smith tells PTA at Virginia Run that personal emails to board members are more effective than the PTA resolution.
Bradhser's assistant asks Liz if she wants to read her emails or have the assistant send automatic response.
Now, tell me--how is one supposed to convey his/her opinion to School board members:
According to Smith, the PTA resolution is inappropriate
According to email from assistant, members are not reading emails......
It's a puzzlement.
Dale did not respond to parents about the discipline issue.
SB members did not respond to parents about discipline issue(Hone is the exception.)
Dale responded defensively to BOS--essentially telling them that it was none of their business.
The Washington Post publishes a front page article and community suddently gets dialogue it has been requesting for years.
Does anyone else have a problem with this?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Committee
()
Date: March 04, 2011 09:30AM
<> Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "dismissing the 12 PTAs that were against her
> boundary changes"
>
> The SB did a smart thing ignoring the PTA's most
> of whom react hysterically to any change. My
> experience with PTA's are that they are a closed
> group and rarely take up suggestions/concerns from
> other parents.
>
> Even when they passed a resolution appealing
> against this proposal, they did not get feedback
> from the involved parents.
>
> So, yeah the SB was right in seeing through the
> PTA BS. They need to stick to helping to improve
> curriculum, etc.
Welcome to the list Stu.
If you think that the PTAs need to stick to helping improve curriculum, than why did the SB reach out to the PTAs last year during the Southwestern Regional Planning Study Committee ask them to vote for who they wanted to be on the Committee? That wasn't about curriculum - it was about facilities and boundaries. It is pretty funny how the SB uses the PTAs when they think it might be to their advantage and then blows them off when they don't like the feedback. We see through you now. Game over.
-------------------------------------------------------
> "dismissing the 12 PTAs that were against her
> boundary changes"
>
> The SB did a smart thing ignoring the PTA's most
> of whom react hysterically to any change. My
> experience with PTA's are that they are a closed
> group and rarely take up suggestions/concerns from
> other parents.
>
> Even when they passed a resolution appealing
> against this proposal, they did not get feedback
> from the involved parents.
>
> So, yeah the SB was right in seeing through the
> PTA BS. They need to stick to helping to improve
> curriculum, etc.
Welcome to the list Stu.
If you think that the PTAs need to stick to helping improve curriculum, than why did the SB reach out to the PTAs last year during the Southwestern Regional Planning Study Committee ask them to vote for who they wanted to be on the Committee? That wasn't about curriculum - it was about facilities and boundaries. It is pretty funny how the SB uses the PTAs when they think it might be to their advantage and then blows them off when they don't like the feedback. We see through you now. Game over.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
<>
()
Date: March 04, 2011 09:43AM
To Committee ()
The points that I make are perfectly valid - I know first hand why the PTA at my school wanted to oppose the proposal and it had nothing to do with the kids.
But feel free to go ahead and make some random counter arguments. Exactly the reason why folks like u are ignored by the SB
The points that I make are perfectly valid - I know first hand why the PTA at my school wanted to oppose the proposal and it had nothing to do with the kids.
But feel free to go ahead and make some random counter arguments. Exactly the reason why folks like u are ignored by the SB
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
PTAs have no buiness doing this
()
Date: March 04, 2011 11:18AM
From the South Lakes HS PTA Newsletter, October 2007:
Vice President
Maria Allen
703-648-3239
703-915-9332 (cell)
mariaallen@comcast.net
You will find elsewhere in this newsletter an article by Maria Allen about the upcoming boundary meetings. We need strong support from the South Lakes parents at these meetings. Please put those dates on your calendar as well.
Lastly, please bookmark our PTSA website— www.southlakesptsa.org
On July 11, the school board finalized plans to conduct a boundary study in the western part of Fairfax County in order to address the issue of underutilization of South Lakes High School and overcrowding at Westfield High School. Included in the boundary study are the following schools: Chantilly High, Herndon High, Oakton High, South Lakes High, and Westfield High.
The school board listed these four primary considera-tions:
Projected school enrollment and capacity – Enrollments and capacities at several schools in the study are out of balance. For example, South Lakes High School will have 700 to 800 student spaces available when its reno-vation is completed in 2008. Available space should be utilized to reduce overcrowding at other schools in the study area.
The distribution of programs and resources – Schools with unusually high or low enrollments often experience difficulty allocating resources. In schools with high enroll-ment there may be restricted opportunities available in co-curricular and extra curricular activities such as sports or music programs. Conversely, schools with low enroll-ments may have trouble offering all the electives or higher lever courses desired by students.
The socioeconomic characteristics of school populations – There are significant disparities in the socioeconomic characteristics of schools in the study area. The effect of boundary changes on these characteristics should be considered with the goal being to provide balance among the schools to the extent practicable.
Contiguous school attendance areas – Boundary recom-mendations resulting from this study should, where possi-ble, eliminate attendance area “islands”.
Important dates to put on your calendar Public Input 3 town hall style community meetings November 12 7:30PM Chantilly HS December 3 7:30 PM Westfield HS December 19 7:30 PM Oakton HS
In addition, there will be two public hearings before the School Board in February at Luther Jackson MS
Vice President
Maria Allen
703-648-3239
703-915-9332 (cell)
mariaallen@comcast.net
You will find elsewhere in this newsletter an article by Maria Allen about the upcoming boundary meetings. We need strong support from the South Lakes parents at these meetings. Please put those dates on your calendar as well.
Lastly, please bookmark our PTSA website— www.southlakesptsa.org
On July 11, the school board finalized plans to conduct a boundary study in the western part of Fairfax County in order to address the issue of underutilization of South Lakes High School and overcrowding at Westfield High School. Included in the boundary study are the following schools: Chantilly High, Herndon High, Oakton High, South Lakes High, and Westfield High.
The school board listed these four primary considera-tions:
Projected school enrollment and capacity – Enrollments and capacities at several schools in the study are out of balance. For example, South Lakes High School will have 700 to 800 student spaces available when its reno-vation is completed in 2008. Available space should be utilized to reduce overcrowding at other schools in the study area.
The distribution of programs and resources – Schools with unusually high or low enrollments often experience difficulty allocating resources. In schools with high enroll-ment there may be restricted opportunities available in co-curricular and extra curricular activities such as sports or music programs. Conversely, schools with low enroll-ments may have trouble offering all the electives or higher lever courses desired by students.
The socioeconomic characteristics of school populations – There are significant disparities in the socioeconomic characteristics of schools in the study area. The effect of boundary changes on these characteristics should be considered with the goal being to provide balance among the schools to the extent practicable.
Contiguous school attendance areas – Boundary recom-mendations resulting from this study should, where possi-ble, eliminate attendance area “islands”.
Important dates to put on your calendar Public Input 3 town hall style community meetings November 12 7:30PM Chantilly HS December 3 7:30 PM Westfield HS December 19 7:30 PM Oakton HS
In addition, there will be two public hearings before the School Board in February at Luther Jackson MS
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
memories
()
Date: March 04, 2011 11:26AM
As I recall South Lakes was working hand in glove with Stu on this. South Lakes PTA came up with their own proposal for boundaries. It created quite a stink!
Also, Fox Mill PTA worked closely with Stu, as well.
Also, Fox Mill PTA worked closely with Stu, as well.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
they get to stay together
()
Date: March 04, 2011 12:02PM
Keeping Silverbrook United
Silverbrook parents, School Board members meet, discuss boundary study options.
By By Amber Healy
Wednesday, November 01, 2006
The community that worked together for over a decade to have the South County Secondary School built is staying strong, organizing and meeting to find a solution to keep their children together.
Under all of the three proposed options to the boundary study that would remove students from the overcrowded South County school, children from Silverbrook Elementary would be split up, most likely going to Lake Braddock Secondary. It's an option, parents believe, that is simply unacceptable.
"The best alternative is to keep Silverbrook together and keep South County together," said South Run Oaks resident Alan Fogg, whose three children currently attend South County.
The boundary study, which will impact students at South County, Hayfield and Lake Braddock Secondary schools, has been a contentious undertaking by the Fairfax County School Board. Some board members have been hesitant to modify the boundaries so soon after boundaries were changed to accommodate the September 2005 opening of South County.
"None of the options presented so far are acceptable," said Fogg, at the beginning of a meeting on Thursday, Oct. 26 in the Silverbrook gymnasium. "They did not include any realistic way to solve the problem."
TWO OF THE THREE proposals would remove rising seventh and ninth grade students beginning next fall, sending half east to Hayfield and the other half to Lake Braddock. The third option would remove all middle school students from South County, send them to Hayfield or Lake Braddock for two years and reunite all students at South County for high school. Parents at Thursday's meeting argued that the only real solution is to build a middle school.
School staff members have said a middle school is not needed and that excess capacity at both Hayfield and Lake Braddock is more than enough to accommodate the students.
"Lake Braddock's core facilities have not expanded during the school's renovation," said South Run Oaks resident Tory Smith, who picked apart all three options and discussed her problems with each in depth.
"The school has added seats, but things like the gym, the cafeteria and the sports fields have not been expanded," she said. "Some of the sports teams already have to practice on a staggered schedule because there's no room."
If the first option were approved and middle school students taken out of South County, making it only a high school, the students would turn into ping-pong balls, bouncing back and forth between schools, she said.
"Plus, all the available seats at Lake Braddock are projected," Smith said. "We all know our track record with projections hasn't been great."
Other concerns, including the amount of time students will spend on buses going to and from either Lake Braddock or Hayfield, or the amount of traffic student drivers will encounter during morning and afternoon rush hours, add to the problems Smith said her community should not have to face.
She urged parents to attend the next boundary study meeting, scheduled for Wednesday night at South County, as a group and speak out in their opposition to the proposals.
"Our mantra should be, keep Silverbrook together," she said. "That's the only acceptable solution."
Rob Robertory, a Barrington resident, said the numbers just don't add up in support of any of the proposed options.
"We're still trying to find all the extra capacity at Lake Braddock that the school staff's been saying they've had for the past three years," Robertory said. Citing information from the 2006-07 enrollment projections for a handful of schools in the vicinity of Lake Braddock, South County and Hayfield, Robertory pointed out that in almost every case where the school staff had predicted a loss of students, there had in fact been an increase.
For example, Robertory said, the population at Robinson Secondary School was under-projected by 136 students between the end of the 2005-06 school year and the start of the current one. Enrollment numbers at Woodson High School were 73 students lower than how many are currently attending there, while Annandale High School has 102 students more than were expected.
NONE OF THE proposed options takes into consideration any additional students to move into the area as a result of changes at Fort Belvoir and the Engineer Proving Ground in Springfield, due in part to a lack of solid statistics from the Army, Robertory said.
"It's not inconceivable that the EPG will put pressure on West Springfield (High School) and Lake Braddock, but it will definitely affect Lee," he said. "No one knows for certain what will happen. There's a lot of crowded schools, but it doesn't make sense to keep crowding Lake Braddock."
Supervisor Elaine McConnell (R-Springfield) said she's inclined to believe the Army's statement that not many school-aged children will be moved into the area, as many employees will simply be changing their commute, from Crystal City to the EPG or Fort Belvoir.
"I feel comfortable about it," said McConnell, about students not overcrowding schools. "The kids are already here, the families are already here, they're just changing direction."
Supervisor Gerry Hyland (D-Mount Vernon) disagreed, stating that half of the current employees at the National Geospatial Service will be retiring or relocated by the time the Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) changes are in place in September 2011, leaving nearly 4,000 positions open for new families to take.
"That might have a dramatic effect on the people moving closer to the EPG and could have an impact on our schools," Hyland said.
To provide a bit of perspective, Crosspointe resident Liz Bradsher gave an overview of the history of South County, listing how the Silverbrook community and its support of the school was vital in it being built before planned in the school system's Capital Improvement Plan.
"No one is entitled to go to this school, but we've definitely earned the privilege to go to South County," Bradsher said. "The residents here were the catalyst to make it work. We are one of the South County core communities."
Bradsher said both Hayfield and Lake Braddock were good schools, but her community has grown used to wearing South County's blue and green attire.
"This is our community school," she said. "Lake Braddock doesn't need our students. We are two miles away from South County, it's in our community."
Bradsher received a standing ovation from the crowded gymnasium.
Hyland said he was sympathetic to the parents' ordeal and would feel the same way if he were in their seats.
"My commitment to everyone here, if the School Board decides to try to move up the construction of the middle school ... is to do everything in my power to help make that happen," Hyland said. "We need to find, between the Board of Supervisors and the School Board, a way to look at building a middle school as an alternative. If we do that, maybe the decision to do any boundary changes should be put off."
Hyland was interrupted by loud applause as he spoke but continued to promise his support of building a middle school prior to its 2017 date on the CIP.
"I hope to get something from (Superintendent) Jack Dale and Dean (Tistadt, assistant superintendent of facilities and transportation) and the county executive within a week to 10 days to find out if this is a viable option," he said.
This time, McConnell was on the same page as Hyland, adding that for the 23 years she's been on the Board of Supervisors, she'd believed the Lorton area needed a high school.
"The fact is, I'm also an educator and I know how real the need is to have schools close to home," McConnell said. "We desperately need a middle school. You have my support."
School Board member Dan Storck (Mount Vernon) said he was initially against a boundary study so soon after the school opened, and if a viable way to fund a middle school within the next few years could be found, he'd consider not changing the boundaries.
"We recognize the numbers we've used might not be perfect but we need to make them the best we can," Storck said. "The concerns we all have is that we don't know what the numbers truly are for some things."
Silverbrook parents, School Board members meet, discuss boundary study options.
By By Amber Healy
Wednesday, November 01, 2006
The community that worked together for over a decade to have the South County Secondary School built is staying strong, organizing and meeting to find a solution to keep their children together.
Under all of the three proposed options to the boundary study that would remove students from the overcrowded South County school, children from Silverbrook Elementary would be split up, most likely going to Lake Braddock Secondary. It's an option, parents believe, that is simply unacceptable.
"The best alternative is to keep Silverbrook together and keep South County together," said South Run Oaks resident Alan Fogg, whose three children currently attend South County.
The boundary study, which will impact students at South County, Hayfield and Lake Braddock Secondary schools, has been a contentious undertaking by the Fairfax County School Board. Some board members have been hesitant to modify the boundaries so soon after boundaries were changed to accommodate the September 2005 opening of South County.
"None of the options presented so far are acceptable," said Fogg, at the beginning of a meeting on Thursday, Oct. 26 in the Silverbrook gymnasium. "They did not include any realistic way to solve the problem."
TWO OF THE THREE proposals would remove rising seventh and ninth grade students beginning next fall, sending half east to Hayfield and the other half to Lake Braddock. The third option would remove all middle school students from South County, send them to Hayfield or Lake Braddock for two years and reunite all students at South County for high school. Parents at Thursday's meeting argued that the only real solution is to build a middle school.
School staff members have said a middle school is not needed and that excess capacity at both Hayfield and Lake Braddock is more than enough to accommodate the students.
"Lake Braddock's core facilities have not expanded during the school's renovation," said South Run Oaks resident Tory Smith, who picked apart all three options and discussed her problems with each in depth.
"The school has added seats, but things like the gym, the cafeteria and the sports fields have not been expanded," she said. "Some of the sports teams already have to practice on a staggered schedule because there's no room."
If the first option were approved and middle school students taken out of South County, making it only a high school, the students would turn into ping-pong balls, bouncing back and forth between schools, she said.
"Plus, all the available seats at Lake Braddock are projected," Smith said. "We all know our track record with projections hasn't been great."
Other concerns, including the amount of time students will spend on buses going to and from either Lake Braddock or Hayfield, or the amount of traffic student drivers will encounter during morning and afternoon rush hours, add to the problems Smith said her community should not have to face.
She urged parents to attend the next boundary study meeting, scheduled for Wednesday night at South County, as a group and speak out in their opposition to the proposals.
"Our mantra should be, keep Silverbrook together," she said. "That's the only acceptable solution."
Rob Robertory, a Barrington resident, said the numbers just don't add up in support of any of the proposed options.
"We're still trying to find all the extra capacity at Lake Braddock that the school staff's been saying they've had for the past three years," Robertory said. Citing information from the 2006-07 enrollment projections for a handful of schools in the vicinity of Lake Braddock, South County and Hayfield, Robertory pointed out that in almost every case where the school staff had predicted a loss of students, there had in fact been an increase.
For example, Robertory said, the population at Robinson Secondary School was under-projected by 136 students between the end of the 2005-06 school year and the start of the current one. Enrollment numbers at Woodson High School were 73 students lower than how many are currently attending there, while Annandale High School has 102 students more than were expected.
NONE OF THE proposed options takes into consideration any additional students to move into the area as a result of changes at Fort Belvoir and the Engineer Proving Ground in Springfield, due in part to a lack of solid statistics from the Army, Robertory said.
"It's not inconceivable that the EPG will put pressure on West Springfield (High School) and Lake Braddock, but it will definitely affect Lee," he said. "No one knows for certain what will happen. There's a lot of crowded schools, but it doesn't make sense to keep crowding Lake Braddock."
Supervisor Elaine McConnell (R-Springfield) said she's inclined to believe the Army's statement that not many school-aged children will be moved into the area, as many employees will simply be changing their commute, from Crystal City to the EPG or Fort Belvoir.
"I feel comfortable about it," said McConnell, about students not overcrowding schools. "The kids are already here, the families are already here, they're just changing direction."
Supervisor Gerry Hyland (D-Mount Vernon) disagreed, stating that half of the current employees at the National Geospatial Service will be retiring or relocated by the time the Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) changes are in place in September 2011, leaving nearly 4,000 positions open for new families to take.
"That might have a dramatic effect on the people moving closer to the EPG and could have an impact on our schools," Hyland said.
To provide a bit of perspective, Crosspointe resident Liz Bradsher gave an overview of the history of South County, listing how the Silverbrook community and its support of the school was vital in it being built before planned in the school system's Capital Improvement Plan.
"No one is entitled to go to this school, but we've definitely earned the privilege to go to South County," Bradsher said. "The residents here were the catalyst to make it work. We are one of the South County core communities."
Bradsher said both Hayfield and Lake Braddock were good schools, but her community has grown used to wearing South County's blue and green attire.
"This is our community school," she said. "Lake Braddock doesn't need our students. We are two miles away from South County, it's in our community."
Bradsher received a standing ovation from the crowded gymnasium.
Hyland said he was sympathetic to the parents' ordeal and would feel the same way if he were in their seats.
"My commitment to everyone here, if the School Board decides to try to move up the construction of the middle school ... is to do everything in my power to help make that happen," Hyland said. "We need to find, between the Board of Supervisors and the School Board, a way to look at building a middle school as an alternative. If we do that, maybe the decision to do any boundary changes should be put off."
Hyland was interrupted by loud applause as he spoke but continued to promise his support of building a middle school prior to its 2017 date on the CIP.
"I hope to get something from (Superintendent) Jack Dale and Dean (Tistadt, assistant superintendent of facilities and transportation) and the county executive within a week to 10 days to find out if this is a viable option," he said.
This time, McConnell was on the same page as Hyland, adding that for the 23 years she's been on the Board of Supervisors, she'd believed the Lorton area needed a high school.
"The fact is, I'm also an educator and I know how real the need is to have schools close to home," McConnell said. "We desperately need a middle school. You have my support."
School Board member Dan Storck (Mount Vernon) said he was initially against a boundary study so soon after the school opened, and if a viable way to fund a middle school within the next few years could be found, he'd consider not changing the boundaries.
"We recognize the numbers we've used might not be perfect but we need to make them the best we can," Storck said. "The concerns we all have is that we don't know what the numbers truly are for some things."
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
good for me but not for thee
()
Date: March 04, 2011 12:07PM
Crosspointe resident Liz Bradsher gave an overview of the history of South County, listing how the Silverbrook community and its support of the school was vital in it being built before planned in the school system's Capital Improvement Plan.
"No one is entitled to go to this school, but we've definitely earned the privilege to go to South County," Bradsher said. "The residents here were the catalyst to make it work. We are one of the South County core communities."
Bradsher said both Hayfield and Lake Braddock were good schools, but her community has grown used to wearing South County's blue and green attire.
"This is our community school," she said. "Lake Braddock doesn't need our students. We are two miles away from South County, it's in our community."
Bradsher received a standing ovation from the crowded gymnasium.
"No one is entitled to go to this school, but we've definitely earned the privilege to go to South County," Bradsher said. "The residents here were the catalyst to make it work. We are one of the South County core communities."
Bradsher said both Hayfield and Lake Braddock were good schools, but her community has grown used to wearing South County's blue and green attire.
"This is our community school," she said. "Lake Braddock doesn't need our students. We are two miles away from South County, it's in our community."
Bradsher received a standing ovation from the crowded gymnasium.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: March 04, 2011 12:52PM
good for me but not for thee Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Crosspointe resident Liz Bradsher gave an overview
> of the history of South County, listing how the
> Silverbrook community and its support of the
> school was vital in it being built before planned
> in the school system's Capital Improvement Plan.
> "No one is entitled to go to this school, but
> we've definitely earned the privilege to go to
> South County," Bradsher said. "The residents here
> were the catalyst to make it work. We are one of
> the South County core communities."
> Bradsher said both Hayfield and Lake Braddock were
> good schools, but her community has grown used to
> wearing South County's blue and green attire.
> "This is our community school," she said. "Lake
> Braddock doesn't need our students. We are two
> miles away from South County, it's in our
> community."
> Bradsher received a standing ovation from the
> crowded gymnasium.
Bet she misses the applause now.
Why on earth did she think her platform (give me what's mine) would translate well to even an incrementally larger political stage?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Crosspointe resident Liz Bradsher gave an overview
> of the history of South County, listing how the
> Silverbrook community and its support of the
> school was vital in it being built before planned
> in the school system's Capital Improvement Plan.
> "No one is entitled to go to this school, but
> we've definitely earned the privilege to go to
> South County," Bradsher said. "The residents here
> were the catalyst to make it work. We are one of
> the South County core communities."
> Bradsher said both Hayfield and Lake Braddock were
> good schools, but her community has grown used to
> wearing South County's blue and green attire.
> "This is our community school," she said. "Lake
> Braddock doesn't need our students. We are two
> miles away from South County, it's in our
> community."
> Bradsher received a standing ovation from the
> crowded gymnasium.
Bet she misses the applause now.
Why on earth did she think her platform (give me what's mine) would translate well to even an incrementally larger political stage?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
tessie question
()
Date: March 04, 2011 12:56PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/04/AR2011010405026.html
An article about new education foundation to support FCPS.. Tessie is on the board. Just a question: do you think she will be paid for this in the future?
An article about new education foundation to support FCPS.. Tessie is on the board. Just a question: do you think she will be paid for this in the future?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Tistadt gets bullied
()
Date: March 04, 2011 01:00PM
Yes To Middle School, Boundary Study
Funding for planning of middle school included in Capital Improvement Plan, but boundary study may
be needed this fall.
By Amber Healy
January 30, 2008
"Parents will be incredibly upset, but I don’t see that we have another option at this time," he said.
Dean Tistadt, chief operating officer for Fairfax County Public Schools, said another boundary study is
the only way to provide relief at South County for the time being.
"Even under the most optimistic scenario, even if the stars aligned just so and money fell from the
heavens, we can't get the middle school built and open for another four years," Tistadt said. "South
County can't continue to operate on a nine-period day for that long."
Tistadt has been opposed to building a middle school, stating that adequate extra capacity exists at
surrounding schools to absorb the extra students from South County.
"I still feel that we don't need it, but I do acknowledge that parents don't want their children bused far
from their homes," he said. "But I don't have $60 million for a middle school that we might need in the
future when there are schools that we know right now need repairs, like Thomas Jefferson [High School
for Science and Technology] and West Springfield. I have to struggle with that."
Funding for planning of middle school included in Capital Improvement Plan, but boundary study may
be needed this fall.
By Amber Healy
January 30, 2008
"Parents will be incredibly upset, but I don’t see that we have another option at this time," he said.
Dean Tistadt, chief operating officer for Fairfax County Public Schools, said another boundary study is
the only way to provide relief at South County for the time being.
"Even under the most optimistic scenario, even if the stars aligned just so and money fell from the
heavens, we can't get the middle school built and open for another four years," Tistadt said. "South
County can't continue to operate on a nine-period day for that long."
Tistadt has been opposed to building a middle school, stating that adequate extra capacity exists at
surrounding schools to absorb the extra students from South County.
"I still feel that we don't need it, but I do acknowledge that parents don't want their children bused far
from their homes," he said. "But I don't have $60 million for a middle school that we might need in the
future when there are schools that we know right now need repairs, like Thomas Jefferson [High School
for Science and Technology] and West Springfield. I have to struggle with that."
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
payback to Tistadt
()
Date: March 04, 2011 01:11PM
Bradsher probably cut the deal with Tistadt way back to give him Clifton on a silver platter.
Tistadt was adamantly opposed to a SOCO MS-he wanted the addition.
He doesn't seem like the kind pf guy to give an inch. I bet he agreed if Liz would close Clifton.
It certainly makes sense.
Time to FOIA emails between these two going back 2 years.
Tistadt was adamantly opposed to a SOCO MS-he wanted the addition.
He doesn't seem like the kind pf guy to give an inch. I bet he agreed if Liz would close Clifton.
It certainly makes sense.
Time to FOIA emails between these two going back 2 years.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
compare the quotes
()
Date: March 04, 2011 01:24PM
Liz:
BTW I would have a very hard time if we allowed community members to determine how a school was to be renovated. I don't believe South County was given the opportunity to decided how they wanted the school built? FCPS should be determining such need, materials used, etc.
Sneed:
I see no reason to include this in today's session, especially the tour which I assumed was to only give the board a sense of scale regarding the school and grounds. Once we open the door to speculating about the billion possible ways to renovate the school we could be there for weeks. If the decision is made to renovate the school we might include input from the community/school.
Tistadt in letter to Herrity:
We design our capital projects in collaboration with the school communities. It would be very difficult, if not impossible, to conduct simultaneous design with communities while already starting construction. The School Board continues to place a strong emphasis on community collaboration and transparency.
BTW I would have a very hard time if we allowed community members to determine how a school was to be renovated. I don't believe South County was given the opportunity to decided how they wanted the school built? FCPS should be determining such need, materials used, etc.
Sneed:
I see no reason to include this in today's session, especially the tour which I assumed was to only give the board a sense of scale regarding the school and grounds. Once we open the door to speculating about the billion possible ways to renovate the school we could be there for weeks. If the decision is made to renovate the school we might include input from the community/school.
Tistadt in letter to Herrity:
We design our capital projects in collaboration with the school communities. It would be very difficult, if not impossible, to conduct simultaneous design with communities while already starting construction. The School Board continues to place a strong emphasis on community collaboration and transparency.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Tistadt letter
()
Date: March 04, 2011 01:32PM
Just reread Tistadt's letter to Herrity about design/build. Is this whole thing of constantly building large additions or schools just to keep his empire?
It seems to me that design/build would work well for FCPS. VDOT does it quite a bit and so do other organizations. The only problem is that it would dramatically reduce his staff. Are there any other perks it would change?
We really need an audit of Facilities and Construction.
It seems to me that design/build would work well for FCPS. VDOT does it quite a bit and so do other organizations. The only problem is that it would dramatically reduce his staff. Are there any other perks it would change?
We really need an audit of Facilities and Construction.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
design build has flaws
()
Date: March 04, 2011 02:39PM
My limited understanding of design build as it applies to school construction is that it is more expensive.
The more pieces of the contract you bid out to a 3rd party-the more profit margin the contractor puts in there.
I guess the question is does FCPS have lower labor costs than a contractor?
Tistadt and company have seriously screwed up by delaying many projects. Interest rates bottomed last year-borrowing costs on debt- and construction prices are way down. I don't see any acceleration of projects as they often claim.
The more pieces of the contract you bid out to a 3rd party-the more profit margin the contractor puts in there.
I guess the question is does FCPS have lower labor costs than a contractor?
Tistadt and company have seriously screwed up by delaying many projects. Interest rates bottomed last year-borrowing costs on debt- and construction prices are way down. I don't see any acceleration of projects as they often claim.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WaPo'thetic
()
Date: March 04, 2011 04:50PM
puzzlement Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Let me get this straight:
> The Washington Post publishes a front page article
> and community suddently gets dialogue it has been
> requesting for years.
>
> Does anyone else have a problem with this?
FCPS on trial: So one judge upholds a motion and makes FCPS cough up materials last week, they all of a sudden voluntarily produce more documents and a different judge this week denies all the motions of FCPS, the school board and their attorneys to get the case stricken from court, plus makes them provide even more documents because she wants to personally review them?
Then, no story from the Washington Post?
All WaPo can manage in terms with its vast journalistic integrity is posting in miniature point font the following correction to a month old story?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/06/AR2011020603710.html
Correction to This Article
This article about the cost to Northern Virginia school districts of responding to Freedom of Information Act requests by parents mischaracterized the role of Fairfax County resident Elizabeth Schultz. The story described Schultz as having filed more than a dozen FOIA requests in her bid to keep her neighborhood school, Clifton Elementary, from closing. It also described Schultz as being among those who filed a lawsuit, based on information found through FOIA requests, seeking to keep Clifton open. But while Schultz is a founder of a group trying to save Clifton and has distributed results of the FOIA requests and information regarding the lawsuit, both the FOIA requests and the lawsuit were actually filed by other residents affiliated with the group. In addition, the article described Schultz as having a daughter at Clifton. In fact, Schultz has a son at the school.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Let me get this straight:
> The Washington Post publishes a front page article
> and community suddently gets dialogue it has been
> requesting for years.
>
> Does anyone else have a problem with this?
FCPS on trial: So one judge upholds a motion and makes FCPS cough up materials last week, they all of a sudden voluntarily produce more documents and a different judge this week denies all the motions of FCPS, the school board and their attorneys to get the case stricken from court, plus makes them provide even more documents because she wants to personally review them?
Then, no story from the Washington Post?
All WaPo can manage in terms with its vast journalistic integrity is posting in miniature point font the following correction to a month old story?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/06/AR2011020603710.html
Correction to This Article
This article about the cost to Northern Virginia school districts of responding to Freedom of Information Act requests by parents mischaracterized the role of Fairfax County resident Elizabeth Schultz. The story described Schultz as having filed more than a dozen FOIA requests in her bid to keep her neighborhood school, Clifton Elementary, from closing. It also described Schultz as being among those who filed a lawsuit, based on information found through FOIA requests, seeking to keep Clifton open. But while Schultz is a founder of a group trying to save Clifton and has distributed results of the FOIA requests and information regarding the lawsuit, both the FOIA requests and the lawsuit were actually filed by other residents affiliated with the group. In addition, the article described Schultz as having a daughter at Clifton. In fact, Schultz has a son at the school.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Whitney Rhodes
()
Date: March 04, 2011 04:58PM
Two new articles from Patch looking at time FCPS spent on FOIA requests, School Board emails in closing Clifton, what the Hill case means for freedom of information.
Beyond The Docket Part I: FCPS FOIA Requests Take Seven Months to Fill: http://fairfaxcity.patch.com/articles/beyond-the-docket-part-i-fcps-foia-requests-take-seven-months-to-fill
Beyond The Docket Part II: Landmark FOIA Case Reveals Contentious School Board E-mails: http://fairfaxcity.patch.com/articles/beyond-the-docket-part-ii-landmark-foia-case-reveals-contentious-school-board-emails
Beyond The Docket Part I: FCPS FOIA Requests Take Seven Months to Fill: http://fairfaxcity.patch.com/articles/beyond-the-docket-part-i-fcps-foia-requests-take-seven-months-to-fill
Beyond The Docket Part II: Landmark FOIA Case Reveals Contentious School Board E-mails: http://fairfaxcity.patch.com/articles/beyond-the-docket-part-ii-landmark-foia-case-reveals-contentious-school-board-emails
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
patch reader
()
Date: March 05, 2011 01:42PM
http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/beyond-the-docket-part-ii-landmark-foia-case-reveals-contentious-school-board-e-mails
"9:46 p.m. Bradsher emails Tistadt. "We have the votes to close and holding on this. Tomorrow at the meeting Brad is going to ask staff a question on enrollment and projections. Please know that we will need a strong answer from staff on the response in particular, Clifton's decline. I told Brad we do projections far more differently than years ago and Larry is fairly confident about his research and projections. This needs to be conveyed at tomorrow's meeting. I have an early morning meeting but will have my phone with me if you need to talk to me. This is very difficult! :-("
So she was manipulating the numbers on Clifton's decline? And she was still undecided?
"9:46 p.m. Bradsher emails Tistadt. "We have the votes to close and holding on this. Tomorrow at the meeting Brad is going to ask staff a question on enrollment and projections. Please know that we will need a strong answer from staff on the response in particular, Clifton's decline. I told Brad we do projections far more differently than years ago and Larry is fairly confident about his research and projections. This needs to be conveyed at tomorrow's meeting. I have an early morning meeting but will have my phone with me if you need to talk to me. This is very difficult! :-("
So she was manipulating the numbers on Clifton's decline? And she was still undecided?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: March 05, 2011 04:45PM
patch reader Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/beyond-th
> e-docket-part-ii-landmark-foia-case-reveals-conten
> tious-school-board-e-mails
>
> "9:46 p.m. Bradsher emails Tistadt. "We have the
> votes to close and holding on this. Tomorrow at
> the meeting Brad is going to ask staff a question
> on enrollment and projections. Please know that we
> will need a strong answer from staff on the
> response in particular, Clifton's decline. I told
> Brad we do projections far more differently than
> years ago and Larry is fairly confident about his
> research and projections. This needs to be
> conveyed at tomorrow's meeting. I have an early
> morning meeting but will have my phone with me if
> you need to talk to me. This is very difficult!
> :-("
>
>
> So she was manipulating the numbers on Clifton's
> decline? And she was still undecided?
I'm confused - how could Liz know she had the votes to close Clifton if she didn't know how many School Board members there were?
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/beyond-th
> e-docket-part-ii-landmark-foia-case-reveals-conten
> tious-school-board-e-mails
>
> "9:46 p.m. Bradsher emails Tistadt. "We have the
> votes to close and holding on this. Tomorrow at
> the meeting Brad is going to ask staff a question
> on enrollment and projections. Please know that we
> will need a strong answer from staff on the
> response in particular, Clifton's decline. I told
> Brad we do projections far more differently than
> years ago and Larry is fairly confident about his
> research and projections. This needs to be
> conveyed at tomorrow's meeting. I have an early
> morning meeting but will have my phone with me if
> you need to talk to me. This is very difficult!
> :-("
>
>
> So she was manipulating the numbers on Clifton's
> decline? And she was still undecided?
I'm confused - how could Liz know she had the votes to close Clifton if she didn't know how many School Board members there were?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Doorknob Dumb Liz
()
Date: March 05, 2011 08:32PM
At first, I thought Lizzy B. just might be a nasty horrible person who for some bizarre reason was vindictive because of some family issue with her whole "my family owned land in Clifton when I was growing up" issue.
Then I thought she was plotting due to some evil plot in fcps.
Now, with the whole don't know who or how many are on the school board with me, I wonder if there is something really wrong up in the bell tower.
Either she is dumb as a box of rocks or she lied on the witness stand.
Whichever she is or did, both are bad.
Then I thought she was plotting due to some evil plot in fcps.
Now, with the whole don't know who or how many are on the school board with me, I wonder if there is something really wrong up in the bell tower.
Either she is dumb as a box of rocks or she lied on the witness stand.
Whichever she is or did, both are bad.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Animorpher wannabe
()
Date: March 06, 2011 10:45PM
What School Board reps see when they look in the mirror:
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
RamParents
()
Date: March 07, 2011 02:41AM
Reading articles online and working on reading E-mails.
An abomination.
Attachments:
An abomination.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
uh huh
()
Date: March 07, 2011 07:46AM
Keep going Patty! What a mess we have to unfold here. Time to take out the trash indeed.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mommy Lion
()
Date: March 07, 2011 12:39PM
Accountability and transparency?
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
post other parts
()
Date: March 07, 2011 12:47PM
PLEEAASSSEEE post the part where this dim bulb trys to define what a converstaion is.
That was priceless.
That was priceless.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
slubdawg
()
Date: March 07, 2011 01:20PM
I simply cannot believe Bradsher can be that stupid that she does not know how many school board members there are. That is priceless! She sure could count votes when it came to closing Clifton. Seriously, isn't that like perury or something. It is impossible for her not to know how many school board members there are.
I am sitting here in my work cube, laughing my butt off, and my coworkers are looking at me like "this dude is whacked"!
I am sitting here in my work cube, laughing my butt off, and my coworkers are looking at me like "this dude is whacked"!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
did they ask this?
()
Date: March 07, 2011 03:47PM
Q: What is the price of a bottle of Vodka at the VA ABC store?
A: Which brand?
Q: Any brand is fine.
A: Well, you got good stuff like Absolut, or Belevedere, or Ketel One. Or cheap stuff like Popov and Smiroff. And of course, they all come in flavored varieties.
Q: Ok - how about Absolut?
A: What size - you've 200ml, 350ml, 1l, 1.75L?
Q: OK - how about what you usually buy?
A: 1.75L Absolut is $39.90, plus tax of course.
Q: Thank you.
A: Which brand?
Q: Any brand is fine.
A: Well, you got good stuff like Absolut, or Belevedere, or Ketel One. Or cheap stuff like Popov and Smiroff. And of course, they all come in flavored varieties.
Q: Ok - how about Absolut?
A: What size - you've 200ml, 350ml, 1l, 1.75L?
Q: OK - how about what you usually buy?
A: 1.75L Absolut is $39.90, plus tax of course.
Q: Thank you.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
she can't even count to 3
()
Date: March 07, 2011 04:06PM
Q All right. So we have the same e-mail chain
7 with the FYI, a discussion of talking with Mr. Raney
8 by phone, and then you forward this e-mail chain at
9 9:30 p.m. to two school board members, Ms. Wilson and
10 Mr. Gibson, right?
11 A Right.
12 Q Why did you do that?
13 A Just to let them know.
14 Q Were you concerned at all about, you know,
15 the communicating with more than one school board
16 member on e-mail chains?
17 A I saw that I was just communicating with
18 two.
19 Q And you're also a school board member,
20 right?
21 A Yes, I am.
22 Q Do you include yourself in the rule of
three?
2 A Yes.
3 Q Do you know what I mean by that?
4 A Yes.
5 Q What do I mean by that?
6 A I think you're talking about the Sunshine
7 laws.
8 Q The informal assemblage of three or more
9 members?
10 A Uh-huh.
11 Q Okay.
*************************************************
What adult says uh-huh so many times?
7 with the FYI, a discussion of talking with Mr. Raney
8 by phone, and then you forward this e-mail chain at
9 9:30 p.m. to two school board members, Ms. Wilson and
10 Mr. Gibson, right?
11 A Right.
12 Q Why did you do that?
13 A Just to let them know.
14 Q Were you concerned at all about, you know,
15 the communicating with more than one school board
16 member on e-mail chains?
17 A I saw that I was just communicating with
18 two.
19 Q And you're also a school board member,
20 right?
21 A Yes, I am.
22 Q Do you include yourself in the rule of
three?
2 A Yes.
3 Q Do you know what I mean by that?
4 A Yes.
5 Q What do I mean by that?
6 A I think you're talking about the Sunshine
7 laws.
8 Q The informal assemblage of three or more
9 members?
10 A Uh-huh.
11 Q Okay.
*************************************************
What adult says uh-huh so many times?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Tessie vs Liz
()
Date: March 07, 2011 04:47PM
begging for a claymation 'death match' version for school bd
think monster truck voice: "school board lie-off! who is the bigger liar?"
Attachments:
think monster truck voice: "school board lie-off! who is the bigger liar?"
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
sounds like a meeting to me
()
Date: March 07, 2011 04:52PM
Good grief! Is Liz Bradsher drunk at the SB meetings or while giving an interview?
I am scared for the kids of FCPS.
I am scared for the kids of FCPS.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
endorsed?
()
Date: March 09, 2011 01:44AM
Does anybody know whether she got the Democratic endorsement?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: March 09, 2011 06:26AM
endorsed? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Does anybody know whether she got the Democratic
> endorsement?
For what?
Her membership application is still pending and wont be acted on before May,
She hasn't filed for any elected office yet.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Does anybody know whether she got the Democratic
> endorsement?
For what?
Her membership application is still pending and wont be acted on before May,
She hasn't filed for any elected office yet.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
No way!
()
Date: March 09, 2011 03:08PM
Gag!
Just read a Patch article where Bradsher says she hasn't decided if she is running for School Board or Board of Supervisors.
Please don't tell me this raving lunatic is going to run again.
How could she possibly run for School Board?
And how does she think she is Supervisor material?
I feel ill.
Just read a Patch article where Bradsher says she hasn't decided if she is running for School Board or Board of Supervisors.
Please don't tell me this raving lunatic is going to run again.
How could she possibly run for School Board?
And how does she think she is Supervisor material?
I feel ill.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
self-love
()
Date: March 09, 2011 04:40PM
No way! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Gag!
> Just read a Patch article where Bradsher says she
> hasn't decided if she is running for School Board
> or Board of Supervisors.
> Please don't tell me this raving lunatic is going
> to run again.
>
> How could she possibly run for School Board?
> And how does she think she is Supervisor
> material?
>
> I feel ill.
In her deluded mind, everybody loves her. It's so hard for her to choose between the positions because she's trying to gauge how much more power she can make a grab for. Can one of her friends (if there are any still left in this county) please tap her on the shoulder and tell her that the curtain has been pulled away from the wizard? Her true character has been revealed.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Gag!
> Just read a Patch article where Bradsher says she
> hasn't decided if she is running for School Board
> or Board of Supervisors.
> Please don't tell me this raving lunatic is going
> to run again.
>
> How could she possibly run for School Board?
> And how does she think she is Supervisor
> material?
>
> I feel ill.
In her deluded mind, everybody loves her. It's so hard for her to choose between the positions because she's trying to gauge how much more power she can make a grab for. Can one of her friends (if there are any still left in this county) please tap her on the shoulder and tell her that the curtain has been pulled away from the wizard? Her true character has been revealed.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz the Bitch
()
Date: March 09, 2011 05:55PM
self-love Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> No way! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gag!
> > Just read a Patch article where Bradsher says
> she
> > hasn't decided if she is running for School
> Board
> > or Board of Supervisors.
> > Please don't tell me this raving lunatic is
> going
> > to run again.
> >
> > How could she possibly run for School Board?
> > And how does she think she is Supervisor
> > material?
> >
> > I feel ill.
>
> In her deluded mind, everybody loves her. It's
> so hard for her to choose between the positions
> because she's trying to gauge how much more power
> she can make a grab for. Can one of her friends
> (if there are any still left in this county)
> please tap her on the shoulder and tell her that
> the curtain has been pulled away from the wizard?
> Her true character has been revealed.
She is the BITCH of the school board.
-------------------------------------------------------
> No way! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gag!
> > Just read a Patch article where Bradsher says
> she
> > hasn't decided if she is running for School
> Board
> > or Board of Supervisors.
> > Please don't tell me this raving lunatic is
> going
> > to run again.
> >
> > How could she possibly run for School Board?
> > And how does she think she is Supervisor
> > material?
> >
> > I feel ill.
>
> In her deluded mind, everybody loves her. It's
> so hard for her to choose between the positions
> because she's trying to gauge how much more power
> she can make a grab for. Can one of her friends
> (if there are any still left in this county)
> please tap her on the shoulder and tell her that
> the curtain has been pulled away from the wizard?
> Her true character has been revealed.
She is the BITCH of the school board.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Zero tolerance and Liz
()
Date: March 09, 2011 06:29PM
Please hope she does not run for any office but gets some help.
Does zero tolerance not apply to SB members while they are at work or otherwise?
Does zero tolerance not apply to SB members while they are at work or otherwise?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
questioner
()
Date: March 09, 2011 06:49PM
My question:
I think it is clear that Liz had ulterior motives in all of this. But, in light of all the emails, I do not understand why the others went along with it. I know they give deference to the member whose district is affected--but why was Tessie so interested in helping her? Why Janie? Stu doesn't count--he's just on a power trip.
I think that Kathy was able to do some shuffling in her district as a result of this, but I don't understand why every one else jumped on the bandwagon. Were they really not aware of the issues? Did they not understand or were they just seeing parts of the puzzle? For example, did Raney see the whole picture? It seems like he was leaning against it for a while. What about Center?
From the emails, it seems like Tessie was the biggest helper--along with Tistadt. Tistadt wants to do anything that involves spending money for construction or moving trailers.
Are they really that stupid?
I think it is clear that Liz had ulterior motives in all of this. But, in light of all the emails, I do not understand why the others went along with it. I know they give deference to the member whose district is affected--but why was Tessie so interested in helping her? Why Janie? Stu doesn't count--he's just on a power trip.
I think that Kathy was able to do some shuffling in her district as a result of this, but I don't understand why every one else jumped on the bandwagon. Were they really not aware of the issues? Did they not understand or were they just seeing parts of the puzzle? For example, did Raney see the whole picture? It seems like he was leaning against it for a while. What about Center?
From the emails, it seems like Tessie was the biggest helper--along with Tistadt. Tistadt wants to do anything that involves spending money for construction or moving trailers.
Are they really that stupid?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
puzzle
()
Date: March 10, 2011 12:23PM
questioner Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> My question:
>
> I think it is clear that Liz had ulterior motives
> in all of this. But, in light of all the emails,
> I do not understand why the others went along with
> it. I know they give deference to the member
> whose district is affected--but why was Tessie so
> interested in helping her? Why Janie? Stu
> doesn't count--he's just on a power trip.
>
> I think that Kathy was able to do some shuffling
> in her district as a result of this, but I don't
> understand why every one else jumped on the
> bandwagon. Were they really not aware of the
> issues? Did they not understand or were they just
> seeing parts of the puzzle? For example, did
> Raney see the whole picture? It seems like he was
> leaning against it for a while. What about
> Center?
>
> From the emails, it seems like Tessie was the
> biggest helper--along with Tistadt. Tistadt wants
> to do anything that involves spending money for
> construction or moving trailers.
>
> Are they really that stupid?
You don't know what the plans are for the building yet. Once that is known, there will be more light and pieces to the puzzle.
-------------------------------------------------------
> My question:
>
> I think it is clear that Liz had ulterior motives
> in all of this. But, in light of all the emails,
> I do not understand why the others went along with
> it. I know they give deference to the member
> whose district is affected--but why was Tessie so
> interested in helping her? Why Janie? Stu
> doesn't count--he's just on a power trip.
>
> I think that Kathy was able to do some shuffling
> in her district as a result of this, but I don't
> understand why every one else jumped on the
> bandwagon. Were they really not aware of the
> issues? Did they not understand or were they just
> seeing parts of the puzzle? For example, did
> Raney see the whole picture? It seems like he was
> leaning against it for a while. What about
> Center?
>
> From the emails, it seems like Tessie was the
> biggest helper--along with Tistadt. Tistadt wants
> to do anything that involves spending money for
> construction or moving trailers.
>
> Are they really that stupid?
You don't know what the plans are for the building yet. Once that is known, there will be more light and pieces to the puzzle.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
legal fees
()
Date: March 10, 2011 12:32PM
http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/fcps-spending-average-425-per-hour-to-defend-itself-school-board-in-foia-lawsuit
Article says bill to Hunton Williams is over $100,000 and rising. $425 per hour for FCPS to defend itself.
It is a shame the taxpayers have to foot the bill for this, but if it exposes the fraudulent process, I think it is worth it--and I don't live near Clifton and was not affected by this boundary study.
FCPS already spends millions on defense.
Does it occur to the SB that if they would only obey the laws and policies that they could save a LOT of money? This is far from a frivolous lawsuit. It affects the core of our principles.
Article says bill to Hunton Williams is over $100,000 and rising. $425 per hour for FCPS to defend itself.
It is a shame the taxpayers have to foot the bill for this, but if it exposes the fraudulent process, I think it is worth it--and I don't live near Clifton and was not affected by this boundary study.
FCPS already spends millions on defense.
Does it occur to the SB that if they would only obey the laws and policies that they could save a LOT of money? This is far from a frivolous lawsuit. It affects the core of our principles.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
evil begets evil
()
Date: March 10, 2011 01:00PM
The reason Lizzie has willing partners in her reign of terror is because they; (1) have no political future, and (2) have nothing to lose.
tessie and Stu have been basically run out of town and told never to return to a political life. Their tenure was disastrous for this school district and they clearly did more harm than good.
Smith, like, Bradsher, is an egomaniac who thinks the world loves her. She surrounds herself with a handful of close friends who stroke her ego telling her how wonderful she is.
This school district will be a different one in January 2012 after the elections. Newly elected folks with ethics and morals will be serving and we will put all this ugliness behind us.
EVERYONE MUST VOTE IN NOVEMBER so that we can regain control of this runaway train.
tessie and Stu have been basically run out of town and told never to return to a political life. Their tenure was disastrous for this school district and they clearly did more harm than good.
Smith, like, Bradsher, is an egomaniac who thinks the world loves her. She surrounds herself with a handful of close friends who stroke her ego telling her how wonderful she is.
This school district will be a different one in January 2012 after the elections. Newly elected folks with ethics and morals will be serving and we will put all this ugliness behind us.
EVERYONE MUST VOTE IN NOVEMBER so that we can regain control of this runaway train.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
()
()
Date: March 10, 2011 01:06PM
This FIOA lawsuit is crazy - no organization can work when every single email is exposed in such forums and brought to court.
From now on 2 things will happen - neither of which servers are kids.
1) There will be FOIA request for every decision that FCPS takes
2) FCPS decision makers will stop using email and just use good old cell phones to make deals.
Either way all of us are screwed.
And the basis of the lawsuit is also amazing..they are questioning why FCPS SB members exchanged emails to discuss CES closing??? WTF is wrong with that..?
From now on 2 things will happen - neither of which servers are kids.
1) There will be FOIA request for every decision that FCPS takes
2) FCPS decision makers will stop using email and just use good old cell phones to make deals.
Either way all of us are screwed.
And the basis of the lawsuit is also amazing..they are questioning why FCPS SB members exchanged emails to discuss CES closing??? WTF is wrong with that..?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not a clifton elitist
()
Date: March 10, 2011 01:17PM
() Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> WTF is wrong with
> that..?
Absolutely nothing, as anyone other than a Clitonite can clearly see from the emails. No smoking gun, nothing inappropriate, just a bunch of childish photoshop pictures amongst meaningless email messages.
While understanding the angst of a local school closing, the Clifton games are costing the rest of us taxpayers a lot of money. The insanity has to stop!
-------------------------------------------------------
> WTF is wrong with
> that..?
Absolutely nothing, as anyone other than a Clitonite can clearly see from the emails. No smoking gun, nothing inappropriate, just a bunch of childish photoshop pictures amongst meaningless email messages.
While understanding the angst of a local school closing, the Clifton games are costing the rest of us taxpayers a lot of money. The insanity has to stop!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Pay it forward
()
Date: March 10, 2011 01:39PM
The person(s) responsible for creating this problem--Bradsher, Wilson, Smith, Tisdadt--should pay the legal fees. If they had been doing their job properly (no collusion, no plotting), there would have been less mess and fewer FOIA requests necessary.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
taxpayer
()
Date: March 10, 2011 02:14PM
Not a clifton elitist Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> () Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WTF is wrong with
> > that..?
>
> Absolutely nothing, as anyone other than a
> Clitonite can clearly see from the emails. No
> smoking gun, nothing inappropriate, just a bunch
> of childish photoshop pictures amongst meaningless
> email messages.
>
> While understanding the angst of a local school
> closing, the Clifton games are costing the rest of
> us taxpayers a lot of money. The insanity has to
> stop!
The whole thing is weird. And I don't mean the Clifton foia. Now why do you people think the right to foia exists? When government goes wacko at least we have a recourse for exposure.
Strauss got her Langley addition and the Langley pyramid hold harmless for South Lakes boundary changes. I suppose that was her trade.
Gibson does have moments of conscience. Never Strauss. Tisdadt can get fired plus I suppose he likes a big department.
Anyone ofthese clowns who wrote a ridiculous email should be canned. Discusions should have been held at work sessions - verbal calls. Most of those emials are about nothing but vitriol and Quenn Bee schemes.
-------------------------------------------------------
> () Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WTF is wrong with
> > that..?
>
> Absolutely nothing, as anyone other than a
> Clitonite can clearly see from the emails. No
> smoking gun, nothing inappropriate, just a bunch
> of childish photoshop pictures amongst meaningless
> email messages.
>
> While understanding the angst of a local school
> closing, the Clifton games are costing the rest of
> us taxpayers a lot of money. The insanity has to
> stop!
The whole thing is weird. And I don't mean the Clifton foia. Now why do you people think the right to foia exists? When government goes wacko at least we have a recourse for exposure.
Strauss got her Langley addition and the Langley pyramid hold harmless for South Lakes boundary changes. I suppose that was her trade.
Gibson does have moments of conscience. Never Strauss. Tisdadt can get fired plus I suppose he likes a big department.
Anyone ofthese clowns who wrote a ridiculous email should be canned. Discusions should have been held at work sessions - verbal calls. Most of those emials are about nothing but vitriol and Quenn Bee schemes.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
get serious people
()
Date: March 10, 2011 03:34PM
Anyone who is even defending what these dingbats put in their emails is as brainless as they are.
Not sure where you guys work but my firm tells us OVER AND OVER never put in an email something that could embarass you or the firm.
How complicated is that????
They can use email to transact business, they just shouldn't personally insult people-particularly BOS members....
If Liz wants to send emails to her friends about all the drinking she does- she is free to do so, just not on her taxpayer provided computer/blackberry/email account.
If you can't grasp this simple concept, I won't waste my time.
Not sure where you guys work but my firm tells us OVER AND OVER never put in an email something that could embarass you or the firm.
How complicated is that????
They can use email to transact business, they just shouldn't personally insult people-particularly BOS members....
If Liz wants to send emails to her friends about all the drinking she does- she is free to do so, just not on her taxpayer provided computer/blackberry/email account.
If you can't grasp this simple concept, I won't waste my time.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
()
()
Date: March 10, 2011 04:02PM
No one is defending the SB..but asking for all emails from the SB and challenging why they exchanged emails, is pretty dumb.
But I guess we have dumb people everywhere.
If you want to see the FCPS SB email's ..then pay for it. Pay for the lawyer fees ( I bet the lawyers are instigating this).
In addition we all will be paying for this stupidity when the FCPS SB just freezes all communication with the community after these FOIA lawsuits.
But I guess we have dumb people everywhere.
If you want to see the FCPS SB email's ..then pay for it. Pay for the lawyer fees ( I bet the lawyers are instigating this).
In addition we all will be paying for this stupidity when the FCPS SB just freezes all communication with the community after these FOIA lawsuits.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Calculate
()
Date: March 10, 2011 05:46PM
This doesn’t make any sense. According to the Patch article, FCPS was billed $106,130 by Hunton & Williams which charges $425 per hour. $106,130 divided by $425 hr. is roughly 250 hours. Assuming a 40 hour work week, that means they have already spent 6 weeks full-time on this case alone. However, the Court case was filed and there was 7 days for them to prepare until a trial which lasted only 2 days. At best that is only 2 weeks (not 6 weeks) of work that it should have taken them. It makes you wonder whether publishing this high number is just a PR spin for FCPS to try and play victim? Also, I would like to see what legal fees were 4 years ago before this particular Board was in charge. There have been multiple lawsuits filed against this particular Board in the last few years not just lawsuits related to Clifton.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Calculate
()
Date: March 10, 2011 05:50PM
Calculate Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This doesn’t make any sense. According to the
> Patch article, FCPS was billed $106,130 by Hunton
> & Williams which charges $425 per hour.
> $106,130 divided by $425 hr. is roughly 250 hours.
> Assuming a 40 hour work week, that means they
> have already spent 6 weeks full-time on this case
> alone. However, the Court case was filed and
> there was 7 days for them to prepare until a trial
> which lasted only 2 days. At best that is only 2
> weeks (not 6 weeks) of work that it should have
> taken them. It makes you wonder whether
> publishing this high number is just a PR spin for
> FCPS to try and play victim? Also, I would like
> to see what legal fees were 4 years ago before
> this particular Board was in charge. There have
> been multiple lawsuits filed against this
> particular Board in the last few years not just
> lawsuits related to Clifton.
What really doesn't make any sense is that according to Patch, they billed them the $106,130 in January. The trial didn't even occur until two weeks ago.
-------------------------------------------------------
> This doesn’t make any sense. According to the
> Patch article, FCPS was billed $106,130 by Hunton
> & Williams which charges $425 per hour.
> $106,130 divided by $425 hr. is roughly 250 hours.
> Assuming a 40 hour work week, that means they
> have already spent 6 weeks full-time on this case
> alone. However, the Court case was filed and
> there was 7 days for them to prepare until a trial
> which lasted only 2 days. At best that is only 2
> weeks (not 6 weeks) of work that it should have
> taken them. It makes you wonder whether
> publishing this high number is just a PR spin for
> FCPS to try and play victim? Also, I would like
> to see what legal fees were 4 years ago before
> this particular Board was in charge. There have
> been multiple lawsuits filed against this
> particular Board in the last few years not just
> lawsuits related to Clifton.
What really doesn't make any sense is that according to Patch, they billed them the $106,130 in January. The trial didn't even occur until two weeks ago.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
counter
()
Date: March 10, 2011 05:53PM
Is it possibly more than one lawyer at $425 per hour? If so, the charge is a lot more than $425/hour total. Which goes to prove my point: the SB can't count!
Liz made that pretty clear on the stand.
Also, I'll have to go check, but I think FCPS had more than 6M in lawyer's fees last year.
They have a lawyer on staff--isn't he there to keep them from doing something wrong. Even the FBI consults with the US attorney's office before they take an action. Shouldn't the SB consult their attorney over things like boundary issues?
Liz made that pretty clear on the stand.
Also, I'll have to go check, but I think FCPS had more than 6M in lawyer's fees last year.
They have a lawyer on staff--isn't he there to keep them from doing something wrong. Even the FBI consults with the US attorney's office before they take an action. Shouldn't the SB consult their attorney over things like boundary issues?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Six million last years in fees
()
Date: March 10, 2011 05:58PM
If FCPS had to pay out 6 million in legal fees we have a HUGE problem.
Stop blaming Clifton parents for the legal problems of the FCPS.
Blame the SB. They started it and for no good reason.
Stop blaming Clifton parents for the legal problems of the FCPS.
Blame the SB. They started it and for no good reason.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
interesting release
()
Date: March 10, 2011 05:58PM
Interesting timing of this press release
from www.fcps.edu
News Releases
Printer-Friendly Version
Thursday, March 10, 2011
FCPS Facilities Planning Advisory Council Advises School Board, Staff Members on Facilities Issues
The Fairfax County School Board has established a new standing committee, the Facilities Planning Advisory Council (FPAC), to advise and inform the School Board and staff members on long-term plans for facilities needs. FPAC, which is made up of 13 Fairfax County residents—one from each magisterial district, three at-large members, and one from the City of Fairfax—will submit its first report to the School Board for the Facilities and Transportation Services work session on Monday, March 14.
FPAC has elected officers and formed two subcommittees: the South County Regional Planning Subcommittee and the Strategic Planning Subcommittee. The group meets twice monthly on Tuesday evenings at the Gatehouse Administration Center.
Issues which may be considered by FPAC include school program capacity, enrollment and projections, transportation and operating efficiencies related to facilities planning, capital improvement plan prioritization, creative financing and construction strategies, scope of renovations, school closures and new schools, and student accommodation planning.
Complete information about FPAC, including its meeting schedule, is available at http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/fpac/index.htm.
from www.fcps.edu
News Releases
Printer-Friendly Version
Thursday, March 10, 2011
FCPS Facilities Planning Advisory Council Advises School Board, Staff Members on Facilities Issues
The Fairfax County School Board has established a new standing committee, the Facilities Planning Advisory Council (FPAC), to advise and inform the School Board and staff members on long-term plans for facilities needs. FPAC, which is made up of 13 Fairfax County residents—one from each magisterial district, three at-large members, and one from the City of Fairfax—will submit its first report to the School Board for the Facilities and Transportation Services work session on Monday, March 14.
FPAC has elected officers and formed two subcommittees: the South County Regional Planning Subcommittee and the Strategic Planning Subcommittee. The group meets twice monthly on Tuesday evenings at the Gatehouse Administration Center.
Issues which may be considered by FPAC include school program capacity, enrollment and projections, transportation and operating efficiencies related to facilities planning, capital improvement plan prioritization, creative financing and construction strategies, scope of renovations, school closures and new schools, and student accommodation planning.
Complete information about FPAC, including its meeting schedule, is available at http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/fpac/index.htm.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
legal budget
()
Date: March 10, 2011 06:09PM
from proposed budget:
http://www.fcps.edu/fs/budget/documents/proposed/2012/ProposedBudget12.pdf
p. 160
estimated legal contracting 2011 $6,579,431
I guess they knew they were in trouble when they created this budget.....interesting. They have only proposed 2.5M next year......
http://www.fcps.edu/fs/budget/documents/proposed/2012/ProposedBudget12.pdf
p. 160
estimated legal contracting 2011 $6,579,431
I guess they knew they were in trouble when they created this budget.....interesting. They have only proposed 2.5M next year......
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
another idea
()
Date: March 10, 2011 06:10PM
Maybe it's over 6M because they think they are going to lose?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
6 million to budget legal fees
()
Date: March 10, 2011 06:44PM
Where is the outrage now?
Maybe if everyone fought to save Clifton elementary we would not be in this mess.
You have no one to blame except yourself and the SB.
It is easy to complain on here but it would have just been easy to also email the SB.
Maybe if everyone fought to save Clifton elementary we would not be in this mess.
You have no one to blame except yourself and the SB.
It is easy to complain on here but it would have just been easy to also email the SB.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The Truth
()
Date: March 10, 2011 09:20PM
get serious people Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Not sure where you guys work but my firm tells us
> OVER AND OVER never put in an email something that
> could embarass you or the firm.
So, how do you and your firm communicate those illegal items that could embarass? Verbal only?
Back on topic. All I see here is pure harrassment by the Clifton community. Poking fun at drink comments, etc., but absolutely nothing illegal or unethical in the emails that have been posted. Most of this thread is simple troll traffic
-------------------------------------------------------
> Not sure where you guys work but my firm tells us
> OVER AND OVER never put in an email something that
> could embarass you or the firm.
So, how do you and your firm communicate those illegal items that could embarass? Verbal only?
Back on topic. All I see here is pure harrassment by the Clifton community. Poking fun at drink comments, etc., but absolutely nothing illegal or unethical in the emails that have been posted. Most of this thread is simple troll traffic
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Ugh_FCPS
()
Date: March 10, 2011 09:30PM
Calculate Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Assuming a 40 hour work week, that means they
> have already spent 6 weeks full-time on this case
> alone. However, the Court case was filed and
> there was 7 days for them to prepare until a trial
> which lasted only 2 days. At best that is only 2
> weeks (not 6 weeks) of work that it should have
> taken them.
You are basing this on one FTE working/billing. They likely had more than one person working at the same time.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Assuming a 40 hour work week, that means they
> have already spent 6 weeks full-time on this case
> alone. However, the Court case was filed and
> there was 7 days for them to prepare until a trial
> which lasted only 2 days. At best that is only 2
> weeks (not 6 weeks) of work that it should have
> taken them.
You are basing this on one FTE working/billing. They likely had more than one person working at the same time.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
legal stuff
()
Date: March 10, 2011 09:43PM
That money could have paid for other legal work---not only the Clifton issue. They surely have to get advice on many other matters.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: March 10, 2011 09:44PM
The Truth Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> get serious people Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not sure where you guys work but my firm tells
> us
> > OVER AND OVER never put in an email something
> that
> > could embarass you or the firm.
>
> So, how do you and your firm communicate those
> illegal items that could embarass? Verbal only?
>
> Back on topic. All I see here is pure harrassment
> by the Clifton community. Poking fun at drink
> comments, etc., but absolutely nothing illegal or
> unethical in the emails that have been posted.
> Most of this thread is simple troll traffic
Actually unless the Clifton community stretches from Route 50 near Loudoun County all the way down to 123 and Henderson across to I-66 and 50 interchange, I'd say there is a lot more than just the Clifton community piling on about Bradsher.
I can easily say that at a minimum the Clifton attendance area (Fairfax, Fairfax Station and Clifton) will be doing all they can come October and November of this year to make sure this woman does not get elected to any office in this county.
Legal or illegal, she ran on a platform of community schools and keeping children in their community. She has closed a community school that served the largest geographical area of any elementary school in Fairfax County under the guise of saving money. We'll never really know the end cost benefit (if any), but we do know that she was pushing for one thing with board members and telling HER constituents something else. If she had come out early in this process saying that she saw no way for the school to remain open, I think everyone would have handled all this much better. She has strung community after community along only to crap on them in the end. That needs to stop. If this really was all about money do you think South County Middle would be in the construction process. That school wasn't needed as surrounding schools had room for SC students, but $50M of construction funding is going to that school. She says one thing and does something completely different. No integrity and it shows plain as day in her actions and in the e-mails posted.
-------------------------------------------------------
> get serious people Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not sure where you guys work but my firm tells
> us
> > OVER AND OVER never put in an email something
> that
> > could embarass you or the firm.
>
> So, how do you and your firm communicate those
> illegal items that could embarass? Verbal only?
>
> Back on topic. All I see here is pure harrassment
> by the Clifton community. Poking fun at drink
> comments, etc., but absolutely nothing illegal or
> unethical in the emails that have been posted.
> Most of this thread is simple troll traffic
Actually unless the Clifton community stretches from Route 50 near Loudoun County all the way down to 123 and Henderson across to I-66 and 50 interchange, I'd say there is a lot more than just the Clifton community piling on about Bradsher.
I can easily say that at a minimum the Clifton attendance area (Fairfax, Fairfax Station and Clifton) will be doing all they can come October and November of this year to make sure this woman does not get elected to any office in this county.
Legal or illegal, she ran on a platform of community schools and keeping children in their community. She has closed a community school that served the largest geographical area of any elementary school in Fairfax County under the guise of saving money. We'll never really know the end cost benefit (if any), but we do know that she was pushing for one thing with board members and telling HER constituents something else. If she had come out early in this process saying that she saw no way for the school to remain open, I think everyone would have handled all this much better. She has strung community after community along only to crap on them in the end. That needs to stop. If this really was all about money do you think South County Middle would be in the construction process. That school wasn't needed as surrounding schools had room for SC students, but $50M of construction funding is going to that school. She says one thing and does something completely different. No integrity and it shows plain as day in her actions and in the e-mails posted.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
()
()
Date: March 10, 2011 10:03PM
Absolutely agree with The Truth ().
And at one of the hearings, a Clifton resident ( a doc, no less) went on to suggest that the SB could easily find land for new school using Eminent domain. Shows how much they care about others, as long as they are not impacted.
I have long lost any goodwill towards the CES community on the closure issue.
Initially I was not at all affected by CES closure. Great . Then my community is moved to a new school. OK..a minor hassle, but not a deal breaker. But now, I have to deal with FCPS SB spending their limited budget on a FOIA lawsuit, which is basically bogus?
That's just plain BS. Its time for rest of SW folks to get up and tell these CES folks to stop dragging all of us down.
And at one of the hearings, a Clifton resident ( a doc, no less) went on to suggest that the SB could easily find land for new school using Eminent domain. Shows how much they care about others, as long as they are not impacted.
I have long lost any goodwill towards the CES community on the closure issue.
Initially I was not at all affected by CES closure. Great . Then my community is moved to a new school. OK..a minor hassle, but not a deal breaker. But now, I have to deal with FCPS SB spending their limited budget on a FOIA lawsuit, which is basically bogus?
That's just plain BS. Its time for rest of SW folks to get up and tell these CES folks to stop dragging all of us down.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: March 10, 2011 10:26PM
() Wrote:
> Absolutely agree with The Truth ().
>
> And at one of the hearings, a Clifton resident ( a
> doc, no less) went on to suggest that the SB could
> easily find land for new school using Eminent
> domain. Shows how much they care about others, as
> long as they are not impacted.
>
> I have long lost any goodwill towards the CES
> community on the closure issue.
>
> Initially I was not at all affected by CES
> closure. Great . Then my community is moved to a
> new school. OK..a minor hassle, but not a deal
> breaker. But now, I have to deal with FCPS SB
> spending their limited budget on a FOIA lawsuit,
> which is basically bogus?
>
> That's just plain BS. Its time for rest of SW
> folks to get up and tell these CES folks to stop
> dragging all of us down.
Bad, bad Clifton people!
Looks like Liz and her little coterie is kicking into higher gear as she ponders her sky's-the-limit political fortunes.
Good luck with that. If she doesn't see the writing on the wall, and take a breather (or is that breathalyzer) from political office, her opponents will have a field day. Just saying she doesn't know the number of School Board members after serving on the Board for years by itself would make her a laughing stock.
> Absolutely agree with The Truth ().
>
> And at one of the hearings, a Clifton resident ( a
> doc, no less) went on to suggest that the SB could
> easily find land for new school using Eminent
> domain. Shows how much they care about others, as
> long as they are not impacted.
>
> I have long lost any goodwill towards the CES
> community on the closure issue.
>
> Initially I was not at all affected by CES
> closure. Great . Then my community is moved to a
> new school. OK..a minor hassle, but not a deal
> breaker. But now, I have to deal with FCPS SB
> spending their limited budget on a FOIA lawsuit,
> which is basically bogus?
>
> That's just plain BS. Its time for rest of SW
> folks to get up and tell these CES folks to stop
> dragging all of us down.
Bad, bad Clifton people!
Looks like Liz and her little coterie is kicking into higher gear as she ponders her sky's-the-limit political fortunes.
Good luck with that. If she doesn't see the writing on the wall, and take a breather (or is that breathalyzer) from political office, her opponents will have a field day. Just saying she doesn't know the number of School Board members after serving on the Board for years by itself would make her a laughing stock.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
()
()
Date: March 10, 2011 10:37PM
Now, you are living in denial. This is post from a honest impacted parent and u choose to dismiss it? This is exactly what u are accusing the SB off. How ironic.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
crying
()
Date: March 10, 2011 11:07PM
() Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Absolutely agree with The Truth ().
>
> And at one of the hearings, a Clifton resident ( a
> doc, no less) went on to suggest that the SB could
> easily find land for new school using Eminent
> domain. Shows how much they care about others, as
> long as they are not impacted.
>
> I have long lost any goodwill towards the CES
> community on the closure issue.
>
> Initially I was not at all affected by CES
> closure. Great . Then my community is moved to a
> new school. OK..a minor hassle, but not a deal
> breaker. But now, I have to deal with FCPS SB
> spending their limited budget on a FOIA lawsuit,
> which is basically bogus?
>
> That's just plain BS. Its time for rest of SW
> folks to get up and tell these CES folks to stop
> dragging all of us down.
You cry about a $6 million legal bill? Where were the tears when the SB was building themselves Gatehouse and their state-of-the-art parking garage? The SB spends and shuffles money around with no oversight, that's what you should be mad about!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Absolutely agree with The Truth ().
>
> And at one of the hearings, a Clifton resident ( a
> doc, no less) went on to suggest that the SB could
> easily find land for new school using Eminent
> domain. Shows how much they care about others, as
> long as they are not impacted.
>
> I have long lost any goodwill towards the CES
> community on the closure issue.
>
> Initially I was not at all affected by CES
> closure. Great . Then my community is moved to a
> new school. OK..a minor hassle, but not a deal
> breaker. But now, I have to deal with FCPS SB
> spending their limited budget on a FOIA lawsuit,
> which is basically bogus?
>
> That's just plain BS. Its time for rest of SW
> folks to get up and tell these CES folks to stop
> dragging all of us down.
You cry about a $6 million legal bill? Where were the tears when the SB was building themselves Gatehouse and their state-of-the-art parking garage? The SB spends and shuffles money around with no oversight, that's what you should be mad about!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
()
()
Date: March 10, 2011 11:19PM
And, where were you? Nowhere, right? Till u got screwed.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
screwed is right
()
Date: March 11, 2011 07:20AM
You're right, I was busy working and raising kids, thinking (naively) that the school board was was made of fair, nice people who were spending all of that money wisely. Now I see how corrupt they really are, and how the money flows with no oversight.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
You ain't the truth
()
Date: March 11, 2011 07:33AM
The Truth Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> get serious people Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not sure where you guys work but my firm tells
> us
> > OVER AND OVER never put in an email something
> that
> > could embarass you or the firm.
>
> So, how do you and your firm communicate those
> illegal items that could embarass? Verbal only?
>
> Back on topic. All I see here is pure harrassment
> by the Clifton community. Poking fun at drink
> comments, etc., but absolutely nothing illegal or
> unethical in the emails that have been posted.
> Most of this thread is simple troll traffic
What everyone sees is that Bradsher and her cronies are dishonest elitists who think their constituents should cow-tow to them. These emails lay bare what she really thinks about those of us who voted for her, her fellow SB members who don't go along and the BOS members who have the audacity to challenge her. Yes, there's a lot of troll traffic on this thread, your post included.
-------------------------------------------------------
> get serious people Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not sure where you guys work but my firm tells
> us
> > OVER AND OVER never put in an email something
> that
> > could embarass you or the firm.
>
> So, how do you and your firm communicate those
> illegal items that could embarass? Verbal only?
>
> Back on topic. All I see here is pure harrassment
> by the Clifton community. Poking fun at drink
> comments, etc., but absolutely nothing illegal or
> unethical in the emails that have been posted.
> Most of this thread is simple troll traffic
What everyone sees is that Bradsher and her cronies are dishonest elitists who think their constituents should cow-tow to them. These emails lay bare what she really thinks about those of us who voted for her, her fellow SB members who don't go along and the BOS members who have the audacity to challenge her. Yes, there's a lot of troll traffic on this thread, your post included.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
West boundary veteran
()
Date: March 11, 2011 07:35AM
From what I have read:
If the School Board had followed the law and kept everything transparent, there would be no suit.
Probably, no one would have asked for FOIA if the decision to close Clifton had not been so sketchy. The reasons given for closure were not strongly supported by the data.
If Liz had not been dealing with SOAR to get Clifton closed, her motives would not have been questioned.
After reading the initial FOIA, it became apparent that the SB was a runaway train. It begs the question, why is FCPS so reluctant to release the emails?
I would think that if the plaintiffs had no case that the legal fees for FCPS would not be so high.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
If the School Board had followed the law and kept everything transparent, there would be no suit.
Probably, no one would have asked for FOIA if the decision to close Clifton had not been so sketchy. The reasons given for closure were not strongly supported by the data.
If Liz had not been dealing with SOAR to get Clifton closed, her motives would not have been questioned.
After reading the initial FOIA, it became apparent that the SB was a runaway train. It begs the question, why is FCPS so reluctant to release the emails?
I would think that if the plaintiffs had no case that the legal fees for FCPS would not be so high.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Calculate
()
Date: March 11, 2011 07:56AM
() Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> And, where were you? Nowhere, right? Till u got
> screwed.
Where were you when they decided to close Graham Road Elementary and a lawsuit spawned from that? What about THOSE legal fees?
It's interesting what makes it into the Press and what doesn't, isn't it?
-------------------------------------------------------
> And, where were you? Nowhere, right? Till u got
> screwed.
Where were you when they decided to close Graham Road Elementary and a lawsuit spawned from that? What about THOSE legal fees?
It's interesting what makes it into the Press and what doesn't, isn't it?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
()
()
Date: March 11, 2011 08:02AM
West boundary veteran Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> From what I have read:
>
> If the School Board had followed the law and kept
> everything transparent, there would be no suit.
>
> Probably, no one would have asked for FOIA if the
> decision to close Clifton had not been so sketchy.
> The reasons given for closure were not strongly
> supported by the data.
>
> If Liz had not been dealing with SOAR to get
> Clifton closed, her motives would not have been
> questioned.
>
> After reading the initial FOIA, it became apparent
> that the SB was a runaway train. It begs the
> question, why is FCPS so reluctant to release the
> emails?
>
> I would think that if the plaintiffs had no case
> that the legal fees for FCPS would not be so
> high.
>
> Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Absolutely agree with West boundary veteran.
I don't know what I was thinking when I came on here supporting Liz. For everyone that I've offended in this thread, please forgive me. I know I was a pompous ass. In truth, I am a close friend of Liz and I will benefit from closing Clifton. Also, I have some pretty sever mental issues and am usually too heavily medicated to make it to my keyboard. I am having a brief moment of lucidity, so if I come back here and continue to defend the SB and post hateful rants about the residents of Clifton and everyone who has more money or a nicer house than me, please know that my medication has once again worn off.
-------------------------------------------------------
> From what I have read:
>
> If the School Board had followed the law and kept
> everything transparent, there would be no suit.
>
> Probably, no one would have asked for FOIA if the
> decision to close Clifton had not been so sketchy.
> The reasons given for closure were not strongly
> supported by the data.
>
> If Liz had not been dealing with SOAR to get
> Clifton closed, her motives would not have been
> questioned.
>
> After reading the initial FOIA, it became apparent
> that the SB was a runaway train. It begs the
> question, why is FCPS so reluctant to release the
> emails?
>
> I would think that if the plaintiffs had no case
> that the legal fees for FCPS would not be so
> high.
>
> Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Absolutely agree with West boundary veteran.
I don't know what I was thinking when I came on here supporting Liz. For everyone that I've offended in this thread, please forgive me. I know I was a pompous ass. In truth, I am a close friend of Liz and I will benefit from closing Clifton. Also, I have some pretty sever mental issues and am usually too heavily medicated to make it to my keyboard. I am having a brief moment of lucidity, so if I come back here and continue to defend the SB and post hateful rants about the residents of Clifton and everyone who has more money or a nicer house than me, please know that my medication has once again worn off.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Jelly bean
()
Date: March 11, 2011 08:19AM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Legal or illegal, she ran on a platform of
> community schools and keeping children in their
> community. She has closed a community school that
> served the largest geographical area of any
> elementary school in Fairfax County under the
> guise of saving money. We'll never really know
> the end cost benefit (if any), but we do know that
> she was pushing for one thing with board members
> and telling HER constituents something else. If
> she had come out early in this process saying that
> she saw no way for the school to remain open, I
> think everyone would have handled all this much
> better. She has strung community after community
> along only to crap on them in the end. That needs
> to stop. If this really was all about money do
> you think South County Middle would be in the
> construction process. That school wasn't needed
> as surrounding schools had room for SC students,
> but $50M of construction funding is going to that
> school. She says one thing and does something
> completely different. No integrity and it shows
> plain as day in her actions and in the e-mails
> posted.
All of this: TRUE.
FCPS school board/employees: Don't put anything in your emails that is unprofessional, inappropriate, or personal (in a way that would come back to kick you in the rear end). It shows how arrogant Liz Bradsher, Tessie and others have been, if they feel that they are above any rules or transparency of the school board process.
The idea that Liz Bradsher is contemplating running for another political office is disturbing. Being so ambitious, manipulative, and unethical has led Liz to be detached from reality.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Legal or illegal, she ran on a platform of
> community schools and keeping children in their
> community. She has closed a community school that
> served the largest geographical area of any
> elementary school in Fairfax County under the
> guise of saving money. We'll never really know
> the end cost benefit (if any), but we do know that
> she was pushing for one thing with board members
> and telling HER constituents something else. If
> she had come out early in this process saying that
> she saw no way for the school to remain open, I
> think everyone would have handled all this much
> better. She has strung community after community
> along only to crap on them in the end. That needs
> to stop. If this really was all about money do
> you think South County Middle would be in the
> construction process. That school wasn't needed
> as surrounding schools had room for SC students,
> but $50M of construction funding is going to that
> school. She says one thing and does something
> completely different. No integrity and it shows
> plain as day in her actions and in the e-mails
> posted.
All of this: TRUE.
FCPS school board/employees: Don't put anything in your emails that is unprofessional, inappropriate, or personal (in a way that would come back to kick you in the rear end). It shows how arrogant Liz Bradsher, Tessie and others have been, if they feel that they are above any rules or transparency of the school board process.
The idea that Liz Bradsher is contemplating running for another political office is disturbing. Being so ambitious, manipulative, and unethical has led Liz to be detached from reality.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
can't make this up
()
Date: March 11, 2011 01:19PM
http://reston.patch.com/
My favorite quote from Stu:
"At the end of the day, it is the caring, dedicated, talented teachers, support staff, students, parents, administrators and – yes – school board members who are most responsible for the success of our students and our schools. And it important to keep this success in perspective, when considering the claims of those who say things have never been worse. "
My favorite quote from Stu:
"At the end of the day, it is the caring, dedicated, talented teachers, support staff, students, parents, administrators and – yes – school board members who are most responsible for the success of our students and our schools. And it important to keep this success in perspective, when considering the claims of those who say things have never been worse. "
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bright Sider
()
Date: March 11, 2011 02:24PM
can't make this up Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://reston.patch.com/
>
> My favorite quote from Stu:
>
>
> "At the end of the day, it is the caring,
> dedicated, talented teachers, support staff,
> students, parents, administrators and – yes –
> school board members who are most responsible for
> the success of our students and our schools. And
> it important to keep this success in perspective,
> when considering the claims of those who say
> things have never been worse. "
Stu's record as a uniter is surely under-appreciated. Not everyone could get both Republicans (Patty Reed, Pat Herrity, Barbara Comstock) and Democrats (Tina Hone, Sandy Evans, Penny Gross, Kaye Kory and Chap Peterson) to say he or she is totally full of crap.
Keep these brilliant columns coming, Stu. We have so much to learn from you.
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://reston.patch.com/
>
> My favorite quote from Stu:
>
>
> "At the end of the day, it is the caring,
> dedicated, talented teachers, support staff,
> students, parents, administrators and – yes –
> school board members who are most responsible for
> the success of our students and our schools. And
> it important to keep this success in perspective,
> when considering the claims of those who say
> things have never been worse. "
Stu's record as a uniter is surely under-appreciated. Not everyone could get both Republicans (Patty Reed, Pat Herrity, Barbara Comstock) and Democrats (Tina Hone, Sandy Evans, Penny Gross, Kaye Kory and Chap Peterson) to say he or she is totally full of crap.
Keep these brilliant columns coming, Stu. We have so much to learn from you.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Junk
()
Date: March 11, 2011 03:57PM
can't make this up Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://reston.patch.com/
>
> My favorite quote from Stu:
>
>
> "At the end of the day, it is the caring,
> dedicated, talented teachers, support staff,
> students, parents, administrators and – yes –
> school board members who are most responsible for
> the success of our students and our schools. And
> it important to keep this success in perspective,
> when considering the claims of those who say
> things have never been worse. "
Aren't BOTH of his jobs paid for through tax dollars? I hope he isn't sitting around writing this junk while we are paying his wages.
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://reston.patch.com/
>
> My favorite quote from Stu:
>
>
> "At the end of the day, it is the caring,
> dedicated, talented teachers, support staff,
> students, parents, administrators and – yes –
> school board members who are most responsible for
> the success of our students and our schools. And
> it important to keep this success in perspective,
> when considering the claims of those who say
> things have never been worse. "
Aren't BOTH of his jobs paid for through tax dollars? I hope he isn't sitting around writing this junk while we are paying his wages.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Pesky, Esq.
()
Date: March 13, 2011 12:34AM
Not a clifton elitist Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> () Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WTF is wrong with
> > that..?
>
> Absolutely nothing, as anyone other than a
> Clitonite can clearly see from the emails. No
> smoking gun, nothing inappropriate, just a bunch
> of childish photoshop pictures amongst meaningless
> email messages.
>
> While understanding the angst of a local school
> closing, the Clifton games are costing the rest of
> us taxpayers a lot of money. The insanity has to
> stop!
Yes Yes Yes - it's all Clifton supporters that are costing us money.
Then why does FCPS now have in-house counsel for over a HALF A MILLION DOLLARS per year?
Seems like all they keep doing is building up defenses so they can pillage and plunder your rights, your student's rights, your money, the discretion of decent teachers and staff and so on.
Strange that only FCPS seems to have a problem with this. The thing is those other people we elect who actually make the laws apparently think otherwise. Would hardly have passed all those pesky laws for the hell of it.
By the way, they have just ramped up the penalties even MORE. http://www.richmondsunlight.com/bill/2011/hb1457/
The only thing right the poster had to say is that "the insanity has to stop".
Agreed.
So when is FCPS and their run away School Board going to stop the insanity?
-------------------------------------------------------
> () Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WTF is wrong with
> > that..?
>
> Absolutely nothing, as anyone other than a
> Clitonite can clearly see from the emails. No
> smoking gun, nothing inappropriate, just a bunch
> of childish photoshop pictures amongst meaningless
> email messages.
>
> While understanding the angst of a local school
> closing, the Clifton games are costing the rest of
> us taxpayers a lot of money. The insanity has to
> stop!
Yes Yes Yes - it's all Clifton supporters that are costing us money.
Then why does FCPS now have in-house counsel for over a HALF A MILLION DOLLARS per year?
Seems like all they keep doing is building up defenses so they can pillage and plunder your rights, your student's rights, your money, the discretion of decent teachers and staff and so on.
Strange that only FCPS seems to have a problem with this. The thing is those other people we elect who actually make the laws apparently think otherwise. Would hardly have passed all those pesky laws for the hell of it.
By the way, they have just ramped up the penalties even MORE. http://www.richmondsunlight.com/bill/2011/hb1457/
The only thing right the poster had to say is that "the insanity has to stop".
Agreed.
So when is FCPS and their run away School Board going to stop the insanity?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mathalicious
()
Date: March 13, 2011 01:14AM
It's worse than Esq. states; FCPS pays around $717,000 for in-house legal staff when benefits are calculated.
We didn't use to have [need] in-house legal staff.
The equation is:
(Dale + Senior Staff)/School Board = Taxpayers' Pockets/Taxpayers' Bank Accounts
Or:
Part of the Whole Problem/Whole Problem = % of $ left in your wallet/all of your $
Will be on the SOLs [for Taxpayers].
We didn't use to have [need] in-house legal staff.
The equation is:
(Dale + Senior Staff)/School Board = Taxpayers' Pockets/Taxpayers' Bank Accounts
Or:
Part of the Whole Problem/Whole Problem = % of $ left in your wallet/all of your $
Will be on the SOLs [for Taxpayers].
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Hoping, Wishing...
()
Date: March 13, 2011 10:21PM
Could it be true? Hmm....
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/capital-land/2011/03/ffx-lawmkers-consider-dissolving-school-board
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/capital-land/2011/03/ffx-lawmkers-consider-dissolving-school-board
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz outdoes herself today
()
Date: March 14, 2011 06:21PM
Anyone attending the SB work session this morning got to see The Queen mean Girl in action.
Bradsher, in her always condescending tone says:
"Where Tina (Hone) and I differ is that I have children and she does not".
Unreal.
The audience actually booed Bradsher. It was ugly.
Tina- I would trust you with my kids ANY DAY over that nut Bradsher.
You're a MOM to 170,000 kids in this school district and they are all blessed to have you looking out for them.
Take that and shove it. Liz. You are nasty.
Bradsher, in her always condescending tone says:
"Where Tina (Hone) and I differ is that I have children and she does not".
Unreal.
The audience actually booed Bradsher. It was ugly.
Tina- I would trust you with my kids ANY DAY over that nut Bradsher.
You're a MOM to 170,000 kids in this school district and they are all blessed to have you looking out for them.
Take that and shove it. Liz. You are nasty.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: March 14, 2011 07:02PM
Liz outdoes herself today Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Anyone attending the SB work session this morning
> got to see The Queen mean Girl in action.
>
> Bradsher, in her always condescending tone says:
>
>
> "Where Tina (Hone) and I differ is that I have
> children and she does not".
>
> Unreal.
>
> The audience actually booed Bradsher. It was
> ugly.
>
> Tina- I would trust you with my kids ANY DAY over
> that nut Bradsher.
>
> You're a MOM to 170,000 kids in this school
> district and they are all blessed to have you
> looking out for them.
>
> Take that and shove it. Liz. You are nasty.
Why does this not surprise me?
Liz - Here are some other ways you and Tina differ:
She has class; you do not.
She speaks eloquently; you are a babbling idiot.
She sticks up for kids; you take care of a few cronies.
She doesn't have a litany of e-mails detailing her drinking habits; you do.
She has a political future; you have none.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Anyone attending the SB work session this morning
> got to see The Queen mean Girl in action.
>
> Bradsher, in her always condescending tone says:
>
>
> "Where Tina (Hone) and I differ is that I have
> children and she does not".
>
> Unreal.
>
> The audience actually booed Bradsher. It was
> ugly.
>
> Tina- I would trust you with my kids ANY DAY over
> that nut Bradsher.
>
> You're a MOM to 170,000 kids in this school
> district and they are all blessed to have you
> looking out for them.
>
> Take that and shove it. Liz. You are nasty.
Why does this not surprise me?
Liz - Here are some other ways you and Tina differ:
She has class; you do not.
She speaks eloquently; you are a babbling idiot.
She sticks up for kids; you take care of a few cronies.
She doesn't have a litany of e-mails detailing her drinking habits; you do.
She has a political future; you have none.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
not my kids
()
Date: March 15, 2011 08:01AM
http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/
How he went so light this time is beyond me.
Weenie of the week at best.
How did these horrible people get elected?
Some of the most nasty, rude and self-aggrandizing public officials.
November cannot come soon enough!
How he went so light this time is beyond me.
Weenie of the week at best.
How did these horrible people get elected?
Some of the most nasty, rude and self-aggrandizing public officials.
November cannot come soon enough!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
CliftonMom
()
Date: March 15, 2011 05:47PM
good for me but not for thee Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Crosspointe resident Liz Bradsher gave an overview
> of the history of South County, listing how the
> Silverbrook community and its support of the
> school was vital in it being built before planned
> in the school system's Capital Improvement Plan.
> "No one is entitled to go to this school, but
> we've definitely earned the privilege to go to
> South County," Bradsher said. "The residents here
> were the catalyst to make it work. We are one of
> the South County core communities."
> Bradsher said both Hayfield and Lake Braddock were
> good schools, but her community has grown used to
> wearing South County's blue and green attire.
> "This is our community school," she said. "Lake
> Braddock doesn't need our students. We are two
> miles away from South County, it's in our
> community."
> Bradsher received a standing ovation from the
> crowded gymnasium.
Excuse me while I barf. My kid has gotten used to wearing red and being a Clifon Cardinal. Oak View, Fairview and Union Mill don't need our students!!!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Crosspointe resident Liz Bradsher gave an overview
> of the history of South County, listing how the
> Silverbrook community and its support of the
> school was vital in it being built before planned
> in the school system's Capital Improvement Plan.
> "No one is entitled to go to this school, but
> we've definitely earned the privilege to go to
> South County," Bradsher said. "The residents here
> were the catalyst to make it work. We are one of
> the South County core communities."
> Bradsher said both Hayfield and Lake Braddock were
> good schools, but her community has grown used to
> wearing South County's blue and green attire.
> "This is our community school," she said. "Lake
> Braddock doesn't need our students. We are two
> miles away from South County, it's in our
> community."
> Bradsher received a standing ovation from the
> crowded gymnasium.
Excuse me while I barf. My kid has gotten used to wearing red and being a Clifon Cardinal. Oak View, Fairview and Union Mill don't need our students!!!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not a pretty visual
()
Date: March 16, 2011 02:26PM
can't rid ourselves fast enough
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The Principle Problem
()
Date: March 17, 2011 11:21AM
Vanderbilt needs to ask for their diploma back.
So do Fairfax County residents.
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So do Fairfax County residents.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
comment
()
Date: March 17, 2011 12:18PM
I guess she never learned that the principal is your "pal".......
Also, I think it is Villanova-not Vanderbilt.
from FCPS website
Coalition coordinator and consultant for the Prince William Health Partnership. BS in business administration from Villanova University with majors in marketing and management
Also, I think it is Villanova-not Vanderbilt.
from FCPS website
Coalition coordinator and consultant for the Prince William Health Partnership. BS in business administration from Villanova University with majors in marketing and management
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
she needs help
()
Date: March 17, 2011 12:22PM
I wish we could send Liz Bradsher a TJ student to help her out. She needs it.
Yikes!
Yikes!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Apaled
()
Date: March 17, 2011 02:19PM
I'm totally apaled by her stupiddity.
Hope the Springfieled voters can ellect someone who is not such a more-on this Novembar.
Hope the Springfieled voters can ellect someone who is not such a more-on this Novembar.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The Church Lady
()
Date: March 17, 2011 02:33PM
Mmmmmm. How Con-VEEEEN-ient!
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: March 17, 2011 02:34PM
Is Liz Bradsher hot?
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
outsider
()
Date: March 17, 2011 09:20PM
Anyone here have any idea what is goign on with Annandale?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Boundary Mole
()
Date: March 17, 2011 09:53PM
outsider Wrote:
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> Anyone here have any idea what is goign on with
> Annandale?
Work is proceeding slowly. An advisory group asked FCPS to consider ways to reduce the enrollment at Annandale without changing the boundaries - for example, by turning AHS into a 10-12 high school, turning the middle schools into 7-9 schools, and turning the K-5 elementary schools back into K-6 schools. Because the area immediately around AHS is a low-income area, some AHS parents are concerned that changing the boundaries will cause the school to lose kids who participate actively in after-school activities and sports, perform well on standardized tests, etc.
If I had to guess, FCPS Staff will identify one "non-boundary solution" that it deems better than the others, and still recommend a boundary change. Edison seems to be the school that's most likely to get students assigned from Annandale, but there certainly could be others.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Anyone here have any idea what is goign on with
> Annandale?
Work is proceeding slowly. An advisory group asked FCPS to consider ways to reduce the enrollment at Annandale without changing the boundaries - for example, by turning AHS into a 10-12 high school, turning the middle schools into 7-9 schools, and turning the K-5 elementary schools back into K-6 schools. Because the area immediately around AHS is a low-income area, some AHS parents are concerned that changing the boundaries will cause the school to lose kids who participate actively in after-school activities and sports, perform well on standardized tests, etc.
If I had to guess, FCPS Staff will identify one "non-boundary solution" that it deems better than the others, and still recommend a boundary change. Edison seems to be the school that's most likely to get students assigned from Annandale, but there certainly could be others.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
KK
()
Date: March 18, 2011 09:02AM
Please reread the e-mail from Leslie Butz, an Assistant Superintendent. She lacks a command of punctuation and grammar. Wonder if she has ever heard of commas, and misplaced modifiers.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Morning Vodka
()
Date: March 19, 2011 03:22AM
Maybe Leslie Butz is taking writing cues from Toxic Morning Vodka Liz?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
butzbuzz
()
Date: March 19, 2011 10:43AM
Ms. Butz only communicates when she feels like it. I asked to meet with her for weeks and she didnt reply. When I found and forwarded her real email to concerned parents at my school and she got numerous emails to her real (as opposed to the site email) she wrote ME to ask that I tell all her constituents she could not respond to them all.
lol. She never did meet with me. Maybe she is overwhelmed with things to do. Its water under the bridge but be advised that was my experience...
lol. She never did meet with me. Maybe she is overwhelmed with things to do. Its water under the bridge but be advised that was my experience...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FRAUD ALERT!
()
Date: March 19, 2011 02:01PM
June 2010 Enrollment:
http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:42:1360990324351926::NO::P42_SCHOOL_YEAR,P42_CLUSTER_ID,P42_DIVISION_ID,P42_SCHOOL_ID:201011%2C1%2CDIVISION%2C
Clifton 370
Eagle View 870
Navy 842
Sangster 816
Union Mill 781
Tistadt's information below means that Clifton ES' community usage is the highest by far.
FCPS continues to inaccurately portray the cost, usage and value of Clifton ES.
All of the children they are trying to move and affect could be prevented by them acknowledging that they don't need to upset the entire apple cart to solve a few areas of need.
The untold millions they are spending to expand facilities that are already full and operating well amounts to fraud against the taxpayers.
Now they are asking the Supervisors for $42 million more than last year. This is insanity.
Taxpayers against fraud unite against this travesty.
___________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean [datistadt@fcps.edu]
Sent: 6/18/2010 4:07:43 PM
To: charlie.t.rau@exxonmobil.com
Subject: RE: Staff data related to CES decision
Charlie,
Here is the information on community use:
2008-2009 Community Use Events 2009-2010 Community Use Events
Clifton ES = 152 Clifton ES = 182
Union Mill ES = 281 Union Mill ES = 313
Navy ES = 48 Navy ES = 42
Sangster ES =197 Sangster ES = 121
Eagle View ES = 124 Eagle View ES = 168
As regards your other questions, we will try to get to them as soon as possible but I am not sure exactly when we will be able to do so as we are getting into Kevin's busiest time of year. I want to respect the process but we need to recognize that the ad hoc community engagement committee has ended its work. This process has been fully supported by members of this department but as you note, we have other work to accomplish and we simply lack the resources to respond to every single possible question. We will do our best, however, but not at the expense of other ongoing work.
Dean
Attachments:
http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:42:1360990324351926::NO::P42_SCHOOL_YEAR,P42_CLUSTER_ID,P42_DIVISION_ID,P42_SCHOOL_ID:201011%2C1%2CDIVISION%2C
Clifton 370
Eagle View 870
Navy 842
Sangster 816
Union Mill 781
Tistadt's information below means that Clifton ES' community usage is the highest by far.
FCPS continues to inaccurately portray the cost, usage and value of Clifton ES.
All of the children they are trying to move and affect could be prevented by them acknowledging that they don't need to upset the entire apple cart to solve a few areas of need.
The untold millions they are spending to expand facilities that are already full and operating well amounts to fraud against the taxpayers.
Now they are asking the Supervisors for $42 million more than last year. This is insanity.
Taxpayers against fraud unite against this travesty.
___________________________________
From: Tistadt, Dean [datistadt@fcps.edu]
Sent: 6/18/2010 4:07:43 PM
To: charlie.t.rau@exxonmobil.com
Subject: RE: Staff data related to CES decision
Charlie,
Here is the information on community use:
2008-2009 Community Use Events 2009-2010 Community Use Events
Clifton ES = 152 Clifton ES = 182
Union Mill ES = 281 Union Mill ES = 313
Navy ES = 48 Navy ES = 42
Sangster ES =197 Sangster ES = 121
Eagle View ES = 124 Eagle View ES = 168
As regards your other questions, we will try to get to them as soon as possible but I am not sure exactly when we will be able to do so as we are getting into Kevin's busiest time of year. I want to respect the process but we need to recognize that the ad hoc community engagement committee has ended its work. This process has been fully supported by members of this department but as you note, we have other work to accomplish and we simply lack the resources to respond to every single possible question. We will do our best, however, but not at the expense of other ongoing work.
Dean
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LeisureReader
()
Date: March 19, 2011 07:24PM
Started reading these online. Man alive!
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
geez
()
Date: March 19, 2011 08:51PM
LeisureReader Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Started reading these online. Man alive!
Liz Bradsher really needs to take a spelling class. So many of her emails have misspellings. In this one it should be *hear* the interview NOT "here* the interview. Geez.
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> Started reading these online. Man alive!
Liz Bradsher really needs to take a spelling class. So many of her emails have misspellings. In this one it should be *hear* the interview NOT "here* the interview. Geez.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Holy crap!
()
Date: March 19, 2011 09:25PM
Who would want to be on the SB of FCPS.
Now that the SB has failed no one will want to run.
Who wants Jack Dale as a boss? He is a joke.
God help us all.
Now that the SB has failed no one will want to run.
Who wants Jack Dale as a boss? He is a joke.
God help us all.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Jack in the Box
()
Date: March 19, 2011 11:24PM
Holy crap! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Who would want to be on the SB of FCPS.
>
> Now that the SB has failed no one will want to
> run.
>
> Who wants Jack Dale as a boss? He is a joke.
>
> God help us all.
Looks like Jack needs to sharpen his #2 pencil along with Lizzy B., as they are both about to move on.
Say, anyone for grabbing www.moveon.ogr(e)?
These two - along with Smith [thankfully, Gibson, Center, Raney and maybe others have said they won't run] - are the last thing this county needs.
Jack better prep his CV or get ready for his mega-cashout with inevitable consulting.
But what is Lizzy to do? With Lorton gone, the role of Executioner is no longer local. Too bad, so sad.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Who would want to be on the SB of FCPS.
>
> Now that the SB has failed no one will want to
> run.
>
> Who wants Jack Dale as a boss? He is a joke.
>
> God help us all.
Looks like Jack needs to sharpen his #2 pencil along with Lizzy B., as they are both about to move on.
Say, anyone for grabbing www.moveon.ogr(e)?
These two - along with Smith [thankfully, Gibson, Center, Raney and maybe others have said they won't run] - are the last thing this county needs.
Jack better prep his CV or get ready for his mega-cashout with inevitable consulting.
But what is Lizzy to do? With Lorton gone, the role of Executioner is no longer local. Too bad, so sad.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mommy Lion
()
Date: March 20, 2011 05:20PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/as-thomas-jefferson-adds-help-for-poor-english-skills-some-va-parents-fume/2011/03/10/ABK7qVx_story.html
Liz does it again = open mouth, insert foot.
Only kids who speak English perfectly are smart?
Nice.
Liz does it again = open mouth, insert foot.
Only kids who speak English perfectly are smart?
Nice.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Burke Baby
()
Date: March 20, 2011 11:06PM
Jeezaloo, what a read. This is no small potatoes.
http://redapplemom.wordpress.com/author/redapplemom/
•Ms. Bradsher admitted that she knew it would be a violation to “have a conversation” with two or more Board members outside of open meetings. To avoid that, Bradsher was “very careful” to ensure that everyone knew how the other Board members were going to vote by engaging in email exchanges and then forwarding them to other members with the instruction not to forward them any further, at times skirting the letter of the law but violating its purpose, a purpose that was well known to Bradsher and other Board members.
•In discussing the (water) report’s impact, Bradsher quoted an Email from her daughter, which she received during the meeting, emphasizing how dangerous the water was due to incomplete testing for Radium 228, even though the undisclosed well water testing report indicated a minimal risk of Radium 228 contamination.
•Ms. Bradsher’s discussion of Radium 228 misled many meeting attendees, including Petitioner Hill, to believe that the well water should still be considered unsafe.
http://redapplemom.wordpress.com/author/redapplemom/
•Ms. Bradsher admitted that she knew it would be a violation to “have a conversation” with two or more Board members outside of open meetings. To avoid that, Bradsher was “very careful” to ensure that everyone knew how the other Board members were going to vote by engaging in email exchanges and then forwarding them to other members with the instruction not to forward them any further, at times skirting the letter of the law but violating its purpose, a purpose that was well known to Bradsher and other Board members.
•In discussing the (water) report’s impact, Bradsher quoted an Email from her daughter, which she received during the meeting, emphasizing how dangerous the water was due to incomplete testing for Radium 228, even though the undisclosed well water testing report indicated a minimal risk of Radium 228 contamination.
•Ms. Bradsher’s discussion of Radium 228 misled many meeting attendees, including Petitioner Hill, to believe that the well water should still be considered unsafe.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
water report
()
Date: March 21, 2011 08:15AM
Burke Baby Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jeezaloo, what a read. This is no small potatoes.
>
>
> http://redapplemom.wordpress.com/author/redapplemo
> m/
>
> •Ms. Bradsher admitted that she knew it would be
> a violation to “have a conversation” with two
> or more Board members outside of open meetings. To
> avoid that, Bradsher was “very careful” to
> ensure that everyone knew how the other Board
> members were going to vote by engaging in email
> exchanges and then forwarding them to other
> members with the instruction not to forward them
> any further, at times skirting the letter of the
> law but violating its purpose, a purpose that was
> well known to Bradsher and other Board members.
>
> •In discussing the (water) report’s impact,
> Bradsher quoted an Email from her daughter, which
> she received during the meeting, emphasizing how
> dangerous the water was due to incomplete testing
> for Radium 228, even though the undisclosed well
> water testing report indicated a minimal risk of
> Radium 228 contamination.
>
> •Ms. Bradsher’s discussion of Radium 228
> misled many meeting attendees, including
> Petitioner Hill, to believe that the well water
> should still be considered unsafe.
Thank you for posting the red apple link. Interesting to read that Tessie Wilson felt the water report could wait until AFTER the meeting! Tisdadt merely summarized it, but did not provide the actual document.
How repugnant.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jeezaloo, what a read. This is no small potatoes.
>
>
> http://redapplemom.wordpress.com/author/redapplemo
> m/
>
> •Ms. Bradsher admitted that she knew it would be
> a violation to “have a conversation” with two
> or more Board members outside of open meetings. To
> avoid that, Bradsher was “very careful” to
> ensure that everyone knew how the other Board
> members were going to vote by engaging in email
> exchanges and then forwarding them to other
> members with the instruction not to forward them
> any further, at times skirting the letter of the
> law but violating its purpose, a purpose that was
> well known to Bradsher and other Board members.
>
> •In discussing the (water) report’s impact,
> Bradsher quoted an Email from her daughter, which
> she received during the meeting, emphasizing how
> dangerous the water was due to incomplete testing
> for Radium 228, even though the undisclosed well
> water testing report indicated a minimal risk of
> Radium 228 contamination.
>
> •Ms. Bradsher’s discussion of Radium 228
> misled many meeting attendees, including
> Petitioner Hill, to believe that the well water
> should still be considered unsafe.
Thank you for posting the red apple link. Interesting to read that Tessie Wilson felt the water report could wait until AFTER the meeting! Tisdadt merely summarized it, but did not provide the actual document.
How repugnant.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
reader
()
Date: March 21, 2011 09:30AM
definition of fraud:http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud
When do these actions constitute fraud? It seems to me that something smells really bad. The SOAR issue, the new school, the water report? Weren't these all deliberately misleading? I find all the FOIA struggles close to fraud as well. They really did not want to release those documents.
When do these actions constitute fraud? It seems to me that something smells really bad. The SOAR issue, the new school, the water report? Weren't these all deliberately misleading? I find all the FOIA struggles close to fraud as well. They really did not want to release those documents.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Don't look behind the curtain!
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:13AM
The school board lacks transparency and ETHICS in the way they conduct the business of being on the board (with the exception of Reed and Hone).
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Grossed Out Granny
()
Date: March 21, 2011 11:11AM
Don't look behind the curtain! Wrote:
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> The school board lacks transparency and ETHICS in
> the way they conduct the business of being on the
> board (with the exception of Reed and Hone).
Are there no officials paying attention to what is happening in Fairfax Co. with the School Board?
These folks have certainly demonstrated they are investigation-worthy.
"Focusing on city government ethics may also be the best way to
build public support for high standards of conduct at all levels of
government.9 If the public comes to expect (and demand) fair
treatment and ethical conduct from city officials and employees—the
governmental actors who affect their lives most frequently and directly—
they are more likely to have high expectations (and demands)
for those who hold the reins of power in state and national
arenas.10"
http://www.tml.org/legal_pdf/2007ethics-localgovt.pdf
-------------------------------------------------------
> The school board lacks transparency and ETHICS in
> the way they conduct the business of being on the
> board (with the exception of Reed and Hone).
Are there no officials paying attention to what is happening in Fairfax Co. with the School Board?
These folks have certainly demonstrated they are investigation-worthy.
"Focusing on city government ethics may also be the best way to
build public support for high standards of conduct at all levels of
government.9 If the public comes to expect (and demand) fair
treatment and ethical conduct from city officials and employees—the
governmental actors who affect their lives most frequently and directly—
they are more likely to have high expectations (and demands)
for those who hold the reins of power in state and national
arenas.10"
http://www.tml.org/legal_pdf/2007ethics-localgovt.pdf
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mathalicious
()
Date: March 21, 2011 06:36PM
FCPS estimated budget for legal services before the current board?
FY07 $1,692,435
FCPS estimated budget for legal services half way through this board?
FY09 $4,975,612
FCPS estimated budget now for legal services with this board?
FY11 $6,579,431
Quadrupled.
FOUR TIMES the expected legal services.
FY07 $1,692,435
FCPS estimated budget for legal services half way through this board?
FY09 $4,975,612
FCPS estimated budget now for legal services with this board?
FY11 $6,579,431
Quadrupled.
FOUR TIMES the expected legal services.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
dono
()
Date: March 21, 2011 06:45PM
Mathalicious Wrote:
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> FCPS estimated budget for legal services before
> the current board?
> FY07 $1,692,435
>
> FCPS estimated budget for legal services half way
> through this board?
> FY09 $4,975,612
>
> FCPS estimated budget now for legal services with
> this board?
> FY11 $6,579,431
>
> Quadrupled.
>
> FOUR TIMES the expected legal services.
lol we are paying more to battle the very taxpayer that feeds the system. A lot of it is SOL and the School's increasingly desperate attempt to meet the every increasing, non-funded standard. The system serves the SOL mandate not the citizens that pay the freight.
-------------------------------------------------------
> FCPS estimated budget for legal services before
> the current board?
> FY07 $1,692,435
>
> FCPS estimated budget for legal services half way
> through this board?
> FY09 $4,975,612
>
> FCPS estimated budget now for legal services with
> this board?
> FY11 $6,579,431
>
> Quadrupled.
>
> FOUR TIMES the expected legal services.
lol we are paying more to battle the very taxpayer that feeds the system. A lot of it is SOL and the School's increasingly desperate attempt to meet the every increasing, non-funded standard. The system serves the SOL mandate not the citizens that pay the freight.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
not SOL's
()
Date: March 21, 2011 07:59PM
It's not the SOL's. It's NCLB. NCLB is the federal mandate. The SOL's are used to measure reading and writing and math for the NCLB mandate. The SOL's were fine until NCLB came along. Yes, it is ruining the whole system. What will happen eventually is that people with any money will refuse to pay more in taxes and will want the money in order to pay for private schools. This is exactly what the Republicans had in mind from the start. It is coming to pass.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
NCLBissues
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:27AM
not SOL's Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It's not the SOL's. It's NCLB. NCLB is the
> federal mandate. The SOL's are used to measure
> reading and writing and math for the NCLB mandate.
> The SOL's were fine until NCLB came along. Yes,
> it is ruining the whole system. What will happen
> eventually is that people with any money will
> refuse to pay more in taxes and will want the
> money in order to pay for private schools. This
> is exactly what the Republicans had in mind from
> the start. It is coming to pass.
aka "Bright Flight"
-------------------------------------------------------
> It's not the SOL's. It's NCLB. NCLB is the
> federal mandate. The SOL's are used to measure
> reading and writing and math for the NCLB mandate.
> The SOL's were fine until NCLB came along. Yes,
> it is ruining the whole system. What will happen
> eventually is that people with any money will
> refuse to pay more in taxes and will want the
> money in order to pay for private schools. This
> is exactly what the Republicans had in mind from
> the start. It is coming to pass.
aka "Bright Flight"
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
(d) none of the above
()
Date: March 22, 2011 03:20PM
(a) SOLs
(b) NCLB
(c) both (a) and (b)
(d) none of the above (the corrupt, self-serving, arrogant, ethically and morally devoid School Board has caused the public to wake up and say they aren't going to take it any more)
(b) NCLB
(c) both (a) and (b)
(d) none of the above (the corrupt, self-serving, arrogant, ethically and morally devoid School Board has caused the public to wake up and say they aren't going to take it any more)
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
oh please
()
Date: March 22, 2011 04:11PM
not SOL's Wrote:
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> It's not the SOL's. It's NCLB. NCLB is the
> federal mandate. The SOL's are used to measure
> reading and writing and math for the NCLB mandate.
> The SOL's were fine until NCLB came along. Yes,
> it is ruining the whole system. What will happen
> eventually is that people with any money will
> refuse to pay more in taxes and will want the
> money in order to pay for private schools. This
> is exactly what the Republicans had in mind from
> the start. It is coming to pass.
Ah yes, the vast right wing conspiracy. Give it a rest.
-------------------------------------------------------
> It's not the SOL's. It's NCLB. NCLB is the
> federal mandate. The SOL's are used to measure
> reading and writing and math for the NCLB mandate.
> The SOL's were fine until NCLB came along. Yes,
> it is ruining the whole system. What will happen
> eventually is that people with any money will
> refuse to pay more in taxes and will want the
> money in order to pay for private schools. This
> is exactly what the Republicans had in mind from
> the start. It is coming to pass.
Ah yes, the vast right wing conspiracy. Give it a rest.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
lean to the left, lean to the right
()
Date: March 22, 2011 05:00PM
Well, it wasn't coming from the left wing or the extreme right wing. It was more like the moderate right wing (the Republicans---not the John Birchers or the Libertarians). The extreme right wing just wanted to get out of the education business altogether.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I think, therefore I am!
()
Date: March 22, 2011 07:35PM
I saw lizzy Liz at the FX City Council Meeting supporting the audacious idea of keeping
the lamb center
open?
Everybody should go to the 'SEARCH' mode on this website and type in:
THE LAMB CENTER
Press 'SEARCH'
and discover what Michael Murray has to say about this place!
you would be AMAZED!
the lamb center
open?
Everybody should go to the 'SEARCH' mode on this website and type in:
THE LAMB CENTER
Press 'SEARCH'
and discover what Michael Murray has to say about this place!
you would be AMAZED!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SCB=Hypocrite!
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:50PM
http://connectionarchives.com/PDF/2011/032311/Lorton.pdf
Page 5
Bradsher said. “This school completes the work
of the communities that have worked for 10 years to
bring schools to an area where at one time there
were none and students were transported to Alexandria
for grades seven through 12.”
This SCB hypocrite!
Who wants to tell her to F))) OFF!
Praises her community for bringing a school to where there
was none and also leads the charge to kill off Clifton
Elementary which is the ONLY SCHOOL in a vast portion of the
County?
This is the most hateful and self-absorbed hypocrite this
County has ever seen.
Plus, how she doesn't have a chronic case of athlete's mouth
remains a mystery.
Page 5
Bradsher said. “This school completes the work
of the communities that have worked for 10 years to
bring schools to an area where at one time there
were none and students were transported to Alexandria
for grades seven through 12.”
This SCB hypocrite!
Who wants to tell her to F))) OFF!
Praises her community for bringing a school to where there
was none and also leads the charge to kill off Clifton
Elementary which is the ONLY SCHOOL in a vast portion of the
County?
This is the most hateful and self-absorbed hypocrite this
County has ever seen.
Plus, how she doesn't have a chronic case of athlete's mouth
remains a mystery.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Going down
()
Date: March 24, 2011 06:00AM
SCB=Hypocrite! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://connectionarchives.com/PDF/2011/032311/Lort
> on.pdf
> Page 5
>
> Bradsher said. “This school completes the work
> of the communities that have worked for 10 years
> to
> bring schools to an area where at one time there
> were none and students were transported to
> Alexandria
> for grades seven through 12.”
>
> This SCB hypocrite!
> Who wants to tell her to F))) OFF!
>
> Praises her community for bringing a school to
> where there
> was none and also leads the charge to kill off
> Clifton
> Elementary which is the ONLY SCHOOL in a vast
> portion of the
> County?
>
> This is the most hateful and self-absorbed
> hypocrite this
> County has ever seen.
>
> Plus, how she doesn't have a chronic case of
> athlete's mouth
> remains a mystery.
Doesn't she LOVE giving her spiel to the media? It's nauseating to read her drivel quoted, especially after reading her atrocious emails that have been released. This is ambition and politics at its WORST.
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://connectionarchives.com/PDF/2011/032311/Lort
> on.pdf
> Page 5
>
> Bradsher said. “This school completes the work
> of the communities that have worked for 10 years
> to
> bring schools to an area where at one time there
> were none and students were transported to
> Alexandria
> for grades seven through 12.”
>
> This SCB hypocrite!
> Who wants to tell her to F))) OFF!
>
> Praises her community for bringing a school to
> where there
> was none and also leads the charge to kill off
> Clifton
> Elementary which is the ONLY SCHOOL in a vast
> portion of the
> County?
>
> This is the most hateful and self-absorbed
> hypocrite this
> County has ever seen.
>
> Plus, how she doesn't have a chronic case of
> athlete's mouth
> remains a mystery.
Doesn't she LOVE giving her spiel to the media? It's nauseating to read her drivel quoted, especially after reading her atrocious emails that have been released. This is ambition and politics at its WORST.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
APorIBMom
()
Date: March 24, 2011 08:30AM
No Child Left Behind requires schools to give students state-designed tests, which are called SOLs in Virginia. Merely giving students those tests would not cost much.
NCLB does not require teachers to spend all their time prepping kids for the SOL tests so that more of them get "pass advanced" scores. NCLB does not require require school districts to develop expensive eCART systems, or to pay people to force teachers to put their students on eCART. Those types are expenses are not unfunded federal mandates - they are discretionary expenses incurred by FCPS.
not SOL's Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It's not the SOL's. It's NCLB. NCLB is the
> federal mandate. The SOL's are used to measure
> reading and writing and math for the NCLB mandate.
> The SOL's were fine until NCLB came along. Yes,
> it is ruining the whole system. What will happen
> eventually is that people with any money will
> refuse to pay more in taxes and will want the
> money in order to pay for private schools. This
> is exactly what the Republicans had in mind from
> the start. It is coming to pass.
NCLB does not require teachers to spend all their time prepping kids for the SOL tests so that more of them get "pass advanced" scores. NCLB does not require require school districts to develop expensive eCART systems, or to pay people to force teachers to put their students on eCART. Those types are expenses are not unfunded federal mandates - they are discretionary expenses incurred by FCPS.
not SOL's Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It's not the SOL's. It's NCLB. NCLB is the
> federal mandate. The SOL's are used to measure
> reading and writing and math for the NCLB mandate.
> The SOL's were fine until NCLB came along. Yes,
> it is ruining the whole system. What will happen
> eventually is that people with any money will
> refuse to pay more in taxes and will want the
> money in order to pay for private schools. This
> is exactly what the Republicans had in mind from
> the start. It is coming to pass.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
unfunded mandates
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:09PM
Unfunded mandates....is Dale kidding???
He gets $2.2 billion dollars to run his schools and some of that running of schools is to comply with state and federal laws.
Please list these unfunded mandates, Dr. Dale.
Do tell us how much MORE money you need.
If you had competent teachers in all your schools you wouldn't need instructional coaches, would you?
If the teachers were highly qualified reading specialists you wouldn't need all these exta layers of support, would you?
You are not getting more money from the taxpayers until we see our schools being run efficiently.
Do your job or leave.
He gets $2.2 billion dollars to run his schools and some of that running of schools is to comply with state and federal laws.
Please list these unfunded mandates, Dr. Dale.
Do tell us how much MORE money you need.
If you had competent teachers in all your schools you wouldn't need instructional coaches, would you?
If the teachers were highly qualified reading specialists you wouldn't need all these exta layers of support, would you?
You are not getting more money from the taxpayers until we see our schools being run efficiently.
Do your job or leave.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Quote in newspaper
()
Date: March 24, 2011 05:39PM
Quoting Liz Bradsher in this week's Springfield Connection:
"I'm still uncertain as to whether I will run as a Democrat, or whether I will challenge Mr. Herrity. I'm in the process of fact-finding and reviewing the two-party system."
More Bradsher insight: "I really think that people want someone who will support them and work for them and not just say something and not follow through. That means you must get along with those you work with, so you can help your constituents. And you must be able to work for the greater good and not respond to a small, vocal minority."
"fact-finding" = determining how many people in the voting area have read those FOIA emails.
"I'm still uncertain as to whether I will run as a Democrat, or whether I will challenge Mr. Herrity. I'm in the process of fact-finding and reviewing the two-party system."
More Bradsher insight: "I really think that people want someone who will support them and work for them and not just say something and not follow through. That means you must get along with those you work with, so you can help your constituents. And you must be able to work for the greater good and not respond to a small, vocal minority."
"fact-finding" = determining how many people in the voting area have read those FOIA emails.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
dono
()
Date: March 24, 2011 06:19PM
Im interested - which FOIA emails. Please to what do you refer?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: March 24, 2011 07:23PM
Quote in newspaper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Quoting Liz Bradsher in this week's Springfield
> Connection:
>
> "I'm still uncertain as to whether I will run as a
> Democrat, or whether I will challenge Mr. Herrity.
> I'm in the process of fact-finding and reviewing
> the two-party system."
>
> More Bradsher insight: "I really think that
> people want someone who will support them and work
> for them and not just say something and not follow
> through. That means you must get along with
> those you work with, so you can help your
> constituents. And you must be able to work for
> the greater good and not respond to a small, vocal
> minority."
>
> "fact-finding" = determining how many people in
> the voting area have read those FOIA emails.
I'm confused - who exactly is the "small, vocal minority"? Does she mean people in Clifton? Or maybe her pals in Crosspointe who are forcing the rest of us to pay for South County Middle?
She's such a wanna-be demagogue. If she lived in the 1930s or the 1950s, she'd be pointing fingers at the Jews or the Communist sympathizers instead.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Quoting Liz Bradsher in this week's Springfield
> Connection:
>
> "I'm still uncertain as to whether I will run as a
> Democrat, or whether I will challenge Mr. Herrity.
> I'm in the process of fact-finding and reviewing
> the two-party system."
>
> More Bradsher insight: "I really think that
> people want someone who will support them and work
> for them and not just say something and not follow
> through. That means you must get along with
> those you work with, so you can help your
> constituents. And you must be able to work for
> the greater good and not respond to a small, vocal
> minority."
>
> "fact-finding" = determining how many people in
> the voting area have read those FOIA emails.
I'm confused - who exactly is the "small, vocal minority"? Does she mean people in Clifton? Or maybe her pals in Crosspointe who are forcing the rest of us to pay for South County Middle?
She's such a wanna-be demagogue. If she lived in the 1930s or the 1950s, she'd be pointing fingers at the Jews or the Communist sympathizers instead.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Ugh
()
Date: March 24, 2011 10:01PM
Quote in newspaper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Quoting Liz Bradsher in this week's Springfield
> Connection:
>
> More Bradsher insight: "I really think that
> people want someone who will support them and work
> for them and not just say something and not follow
> through.
Interesting. It's too bad when she said she was going to listen to the Southwestern Subcommittee last summer that she didn't follow through. Or maybe the Clifton meetings where she said if only the water could be fixed than the school wouldn't be closed and then when the water was fixed she didn't follow through and closed it anyway. Or maybe it was the Amendment she told some people she was going to propose and never followed through. Ugh... how can anyone stand to listen to her anymore?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Quoting Liz Bradsher in this week's Springfield
> Connection:
>
> More Bradsher insight: "I really think that
> people want someone who will support them and work
> for them and not just say something and not follow
> through.
Interesting. It's too bad when she said she was going to listen to the Southwestern Subcommittee last summer that she didn't follow through. Or maybe the Clifton meetings where she said if only the water could be fixed than the school wouldn't be closed and then when the water was fixed she didn't follow through and closed it anyway. Or maybe it was the Amendment she told some people she was going to propose and never followed through. Ugh... how can anyone stand to listen to her anymore?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
xyz
()
Date: March 24, 2011 11:02PM
to Skeptical ()
pls stop being a moron and bringing 'J'words into this discussion.
pls stop being a moron and bringing 'J'words into this discussion.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: March 24, 2011 11:16PM
xyz Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> to Skeptical ()
>
> pls stop being a moron and bringing 'J'words into
> this discussion.
Tell your friend Liz to stop pretending to be the patron saint of the middle class and to stop pitting our communities against one another. Then we'll talk about which analogies for her crass behavior are or aren't appropriate.
-------------------------------------------------------
> to Skeptical ()
>
> pls stop being a moron and bringing 'J'words into
> this discussion.
Tell your friend Liz to stop pretending to be the patron saint of the middle class and to stop pitting our communities against one another. Then we'll talk about which analogies for her crass behavior are or aren't appropriate.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Timekeeper
()
Date: March 25, 2011 04:50AM
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bewared Taxpayers!
()
Date: March 25, 2011 04:41PM
If you are at all a concerned citizen about how your tax dollars are being wasted, as well as you church donations, youshould go directly to the thread, this website: (search)
the lamb center
The wasting of not only your Tax Dollar and Charitable Donations is not only the only issue here! Much more blatent criminal things are going on than you know!
(Please try to 'weed out' the childish posts some really bored obviously mentally challenged individuals are redundantly posting on it. That's the problem with some of these websites, any child is allowed to enter and dissrupt serious adult meaningfull conversation!)
the lamb center
The wasting of not only your Tax Dollar and Charitable Donations is not only the only issue here! Much more blatent criminal things are going on than you know!
(Please try to 'weed out' the childish posts some really bored obviously mentally challenged individuals are redundantly posting on it. That's the problem with some of these websites, any child is allowed to enter and dissrupt serious adult meaningfull conversation!)
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Who's the Boss
()
Date: March 26, 2011 12:54AM
Holy crap! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Who would want to be on the SB of FCPS.
>
> Now that the SB has failed no one will want to
> run.
>
> Who wants Jack Dale as a boss? He is a joke.
>
> God help us all.
Jack Dale is the boss of the school board? I thought he was supposed to work for them! It's obvious that they work for him.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Who would want to be on the SB of FCPS.
>
> Now that the SB has failed no one will want to
> run.
>
> Who wants Jack Dale as a boss? He is a joke.
>
> God help us all.
Jack Dale is the boss of the school board? I thought he was supposed to work for them! It's obvious that they work for him.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Checks Balances
()
Date: March 26, 2011 11:12AM
Who's the Boss Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Holy crap! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Who would want to be on the SB of FCPS.
> >
> > Now that the SB has failed no one will want to
> > run.
> >
> > Who wants Jack Dale as a boss? He is a joke.
> >
> > God help us all.
>
> Jack Dale is the boss of the school board? I
> thought he was supposed to work for them! It's
> obvious that they work for him.
It seems like in a well-functioning system that there should be a checks and balance in that the School Board oversees the Superintendent and that the School Board represents their constituents. I am not really sure why we even needed the current School Board as it seems like they never really even questioned the Superintendent/Staff and mainly just said yes to anything they said. Why did we need this particular School Board in the first place?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Holy crap! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Who would want to be on the SB of FCPS.
> >
> > Now that the SB has failed no one will want to
> > run.
> >
> > Who wants Jack Dale as a boss? He is a joke.
> >
> > God help us all.
>
> Jack Dale is the boss of the school board? I
> thought he was supposed to work for them! It's
> obvious that they work for him.
It seems like in a well-functioning system that there should be a checks and balance in that the School Board oversees the Superintendent and that the School Board represents their constituents. I am not really sure why we even needed the current School Board as it seems like they never really even questioned the Superintendent/Staff and mainly just said yes to anything they said. Why did we need this particular School Board in the first place?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
whyFPAC
()
Date: March 26, 2011 11:16AM
Is there any way to get rid of "FPAC"? That entire setup just seems like a way for the current School Board Members to try and retain control even if they don't get re-elected since that group were people chosen by the current School Board. What if the new School Board Members don't like who was selected for that committee?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FPAC questioner
()
Date: March 26, 2011 11:33AM
Are you talking about the facilities advisory committee? If so,I agree that they are appointed by the SB members to rubber stamp what they want. For example, Cassie Eatmon was Sully's nominee at Bradsher's request. Smith is Sully and Bradsher is Springfield. So, Bradsher has two friends on the committee. Eatmon was the VA Run PTA President who has supported whatever the SB wants.
This whole boundary process is total sham. They always pit communities against each other. They propose many options so that when more communities find they are not in final option they tell the SB that the final option is great. They throw friends under the bus. I know. Our community threw friends under the bus in the South Lakes boundary study. It's self preservation. It is not good for the county, the schools, or the community.
This whole boundary process is total sham. They always pit communities against each other. They propose many options so that when more communities find they are not in final option they tell the SB that the final option is great. They throw friends under the bus. I know. Our community threw friends under the bus in the South Lakes boundary study. It's self preservation. It is not good for the county, the schools, or the community.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
whyFPAC
()
Date: March 27, 2011 09:50PM
FPAC questioner Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Are you talking about the facilities advisory
> committee? If so,I agree that they are appointed
> by the SB members to rubber stamp what they want.
> For example, Cassie Eatmon was Sully's nominee at
> Bradsher's request. Smith is Sully and Bradsher is
> Springfield. So, Bradsher has two friends on the
> committee. Eatmon was the VA Run PTA President
> who has supported whatever the SB wants.
>
> This whole boundary process is total sham. They
> always pit communities against each other. They
> propose many options so that when more communities
> find they are not in final option they tell the SB
> that the final option is great. They throw
> friends under the bus. I know. Our community
> threw friends under the bus in the South Lakes
> boundary study. It's self preservation. It is
> not good for the county, the schools, or the
> community.
Yes, I was talking about the facilities advisory committee. Aren't the people on the FPAC supposed to serve a term of several years whereas the people that chose them are going to be leaving the Board in November? Let's say that somebody like Bradsher becomes a County Supervisor, isn't having her friend on FPAC like trying to retain control over what the School Board does and circumventing any School Board Members that may get elected next? Why did Bradsher, etc. get the say on on chosing people for a term that is longer than their own Board terms?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Are you talking about the facilities advisory
> committee? If so,I agree that they are appointed
> by the SB members to rubber stamp what they want.
> For example, Cassie Eatmon was Sully's nominee at
> Bradsher's request. Smith is Sully and Bradsher is
> Springfield. So, Bradsher has two friends on the
> committee. Eatmon was the VA Run PTA President
> who has supported whatever the SB wants.
>
> This whole boundary process is total sham. They
> always pit communities against each other. They
> propose many options so that when more communities
> find they are not in final option they tell the SB
> that the final option is great. They throw
> friends under the bus. I know. Our community
> threw friends under the bus in the South Lakes
> boundary study. It's self preservation. It is
> not good for the county, the schools, or the
> community.
Yes, I was talking about the facilities advisory committee. Aren't the people on the FPAC supposed to serve a term of several years whereas the people that chose them are going to be leaving the Board in November? Let's say that somebody like Bradsher becomes a County Supervisor, isn't having her friend on FPAC like trying to retain control over what the School Board does and circumventing any School Board Members that may get elected next? Why did Bradsher, etc. get the say on on chosing people for a term that is longer than their own Board terms?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
i think
()
Date: March 27, 2011 11:21PM
I heard that the FPAC members each will serve either 1, 2, or 3 years, chosen by random. Luckily, Bradsher's pick will only serve 1 year. Can anyone corroborate this?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
forum reader
()
Date: March 28, 2011 06:25AM
If you have read the emails, etc, you would know that Bradsher got two appointments. She recommended Eatmon to Smith--so she chose Sully and Springfield district reps.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not the Only Ones
()
Date: March 28, 2011 08:12PM
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
whats up yours
()
Date: March 28, 2011 08:34PM
forum reader Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> If you have read the emails, etc, you would know
> that Bradsher got two appointments. She
> recommended Eatmon to Smith--so she chose Sully
> and Springfield district reps.
Well, excuse us! You must be a barrel of fun to live with...
-------------------------------------------------------
> If you have read the emails, etc, you would know
> that Bradsher got two appointments. She
> recommended Eatmon to Smith--so she chose Sully
> and Springfield district reps.
Well, excuse us! You must be a barrel of fun to live with...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Who cares about the drunk
()
Date: March 28, 2011 09:38PM
The south county bitch is done with. Let's put a fork in her and call her done.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Grossed Out Granny
()
Date: March 28, 2011 10:35PM
i think Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I heard that the FPAC members each will serve
> either 1, 2, or 3 years, chosen by random.
> Luckily, Bradsher's pick will only serve 1 year.
> Can anyone corroborate this?
"The attached "Message for Advisory Committee Members Regarding Your E-mails
about Committee Business" was provided by Division Counsel's Office. It
addresses the use of e-mail by committee members and advises that their
e-mails concerning advisory committee business are subject to public
disclosure under VaFOIA, should they be requested."
Came attached with a legal warning to advisory groups, so maybe you should request information under VaFOIA and test the waters!
-------------------------------------------------------
> I heard that the FPAC members each will serve
> either 1, 2, or 3 years, chosen by random.
> Luckily, Bradsher's pick will only serve 1 year.
> Can anyone corroborate this?
"The attached "Message for Advisory Committee Members Regarding Your E-mails
about Committee Business" was provided by Division Counsel's Office. It
addresses the use of e-mail by committee members and advises that their
e-mails concerning advisory committee business are subject to public
disclosure under VaFOIA, should they be requested."
Came attached with a legal warning to advisory groups, so maybe you should request information under VaFOIA and test the waters!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
ForkU Liz
()
Date: March 29, 2011 01:43AM
agree with who cares and others.
Attachments:
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
NoMoney?
()
Date: March 30, 2011 05:19PM
Love this blog/site. It is especially pertinent considering they are getting ready to supersize all the class sizes in the Southwestern part of the County as part of these new boundary changes under the premise of no money (yet according to this they have $48 million in reserves).
Moms, Teachers & Five-Year Old Lobbyists
Red Apple Mom | March 30, 2011 at 9:02 am |
The Board of Supervisors held their first night of public hearings Tuesday night. Adorable four and five-year olds were in the audience with their parents and teachers advocating for increasing school funds and pay increases.
My remarks to Supervisors focused on the fact that FCPS should scrap their budget and re-build it. We deserve a budget that focuses on the community's priorities first - not administrative spending. Here is my speech:
Fairfax County Board of Supervisors Budget Hearings
March 29, 2011- Advertised 2012 Budget
Hello. My name is Catherine Lorenze. I am a co-founder of the Fairfax Education Coalition and FAIRGRADE and author of the Red Apple Mom blog. I am speaking for myself tonight - as the mother of three children.
When the School Board passed their budget last month, Member Patty Reed said it was “unrealistic.” Tina Hone called FCPS’ budget “a myth.” Member Jim Raney commented that perhaps the budget should be scrapped and rebuilt from scratch.
A lot of promises have been made on FDK and staff raises.
Now you must decide if FCPS’ promises are your responsibility to solve.
Please look at the funding statement located on page 147 of FCPS’ advertised budget that I have attached. This statement shows a nearly $48 million reserve.
I hope you’ll ask serious questions about why FCPS is carrying over tens of millions of dollars going into next year. Why were those funds not used this year to meet critical priorities? Money sitting in a pot doesn’t serve the interests of school children.
I can’t help but wonder if FCPS is giving the community and you all the facts about this budget. I attended the meeting between your two boards a couple of weeks ago. When discussing the FDK issue, Supervisor Hudgins specifically asked school officials if any other programs had been implemented or expanded during the time FDK implementation was halted. They answered no. In fact, while FDK languished – the School Board voted to expand the Foreign Language in the Elementary Schools Program. And last year, they implemented a new program called the Priority Schools Initiative.
I agree with School Board member Jim Raney’s suggestion. FCPS should scrap this budget and re-build it based on the public’s priorities which include FDK, teacher pay and importantly – lowering class size. Last year, our school had a sixth grade class with 39 students. This year, my son’s 5th grade class at Spring Hill Elementary currently has 35 students. It has the feel of a poultry farm. When it gets hot and stuffy, it smells like a poultry farm too.
My request to take a picture of his crowded classroom was denied by my principal. However, I have attached a photo from nearby Churchill Elementary School that continues to also experience ridiculously large class sizes.
Regrettably, FCPS has allowed a subset of children in this county to shoulder the burden of budget cuts by way of super-sized class sizes. This is simply unfair.
Please remember this when considering the FCPS budget transfer: children and teachers deserve a budget that is focused on them and their needs first – not on Gatehouse staff whose work has minimal impact on my children and their teachers.
If kids are the priority FCPS claims them to be – then FCPS should reflect that in their budget priorities with reasonable class size and FDK. FDK should put their money where their mouth is, rather than making you absolve them of their fiduciary responsibility as recipients of 54% of the county budget.
Moms, Teachers & Five-Year Old Lobbyists
Red Apple Mom | March 30, 2011 at 9:02 am |
The Board of Supervisors held their first night of public hearings Tuesday night. Adorable four and five-year olds were in the audience with their parents and teachers advocating for increasing school funds and pay increases.
My remarks to Supervisors focused on the fact that FCPS should scrap their budget and re-build it. We deserve a budget that focuses on the community's priorities first - not administrative spending. Here is my speech:
Fairfax County Board of Supervisors Budget Hearings
March 29, 2011- Advertised 2012 Budget
Hello. My name is Catherine Lorenze. I am a co-founder of the Fairfax Education Coalition and FAIRGRADE and author of the Red Apple Mom blog. I am speaking for myself tonight - as the mother of three children.
When the School Board passed their budget last month, Member Patty Reed said it was “unrealistic.” Tina Hone called FCPS’ budget “a myth.” Member Jim Raney commented that perhaps the budget should be scrapped and rebuilt from scratch.
A lot of promises have been made on FDK and staff raises.
Now you must decide if FCPS’ promises are your responsibility to solve.
Please look at the funding statement located on page 147 of FCPS’ advertised budget that I have attached. This statement shows a nearly $48 million reserve.
I hope you’ll ask serious questions about why FCPS is carrying over tens of millions of dollars going into next year. Why were those funds not used this year to meet critical priorities? Money sitting in a pot doesn’t serve the interests of school children.
I can’t help but wonder if FCPS is giving the community and you all the facts about this budget. I attended the meeting between your two boards a couple of weeks ago. When discussing the FDK issue, Supervisor Hudgins specifically asked school officials if any other programs had been implemented or expanded during the time FDK implementation was halted. They answered no. In fact, while FDK languished – the School Board voted to expand the Foreign Language in the Elementary Schools Program. And last year, they implemented a new program called the Priority Schools Initiative.
I agree with School Board member Jim Raney’s suggestion. FCPS should scrap this budget and re-build it based on the public’s priorities which include FDK, teacher pay and importantly – lowering class size. Last year, our school had a sixth grade class with 39 students. This year, my son’s 5th grade class at Spring Hill Elementary currently has 35 students. It has the feel of a poultry farm. When it gets hot and stuffy, it smells like a poultry farm too.
My request to take a picture of his crowded classroom was denied by my principal. However, I have attached a photo from nearby Churchill Elementary School that continues to also experience ridiculously large class sizes.
Regrettably, FCPS has allowed a subset of children in this county to shoulder the burden of budget cuts by way of super-sized class sizes. This is simply unfair.
Please remember this when considering the FCPS budget transfer: children and teachers deserve a budget that is focused on them and their needs first – not on Gatehouse staff whose work has minimal impact on my children and their teachers.
If kids are the priority FCPS claims them to be – then FCPS should reflect that in their budget priorities with reasonable class size and FDK. FDK should put their money where their mouth is, rather than making you absolve them of their fiduciary responsibility as recipients of 54% of the county budget.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Student
()
Date: March 31, 2011 02:08PM
So you're all pissed about her, and I am too.
The difference is that y'all are adults and can actually make a change, while I'm stuck listening to cheap teachers at school.
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. REMEMBER THE PROGRESSIVES. FOLLOW THEIR EXAMPLE!
The difference is that y'all are adults and can actually make a change, while I'm stuck listening to cheap teachers at school.
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. REMEMBER THE PROGRESSIVES. FOLLOW THEIR EXAMPLE!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Choice
()
Date: April 04, 2011 08:52AM
Not sure of what Liz Bradsher is going to do, but at least it looks like there is going to be a choice in who to vote for since somebody else is running for Liz Bradsher's current seat. Hope it doesn't confuse people when they go to the polls though since they both have the same first name.
http://fallschurch.patch.com/articles/schultz-kicks-off-school-board-campaign-2
Schultz Kicks Off School Board Campaign
On Saturday, Clifton mother of four Elizabeth Schultz kicked off her campaign for the Springfield District seat on the Fairfax County School Board with a fundraiser at Clifton Elementary School.
The Board’s decision last year to close the school created a firestorm of controversy in the community.
“The events over the last year-and-a-half kicked open a door, whether I liked it or not. I think we deserve better leadership, better planning, better vision,” Schultz told supporters. “We need a better approach to renovations, to school sizes and boundary changes and where and if we are going to build new schools.”
Last July, the School Board voted 9-2 to close the Clifton School that members of the board reported were due to deteriorating conditions, a lack of resources and decreasing enrollment.
“While we talk about boundary changes and a lack of seats, we plan to close a school, lose 400 seats and leave a tenth of the county without a public school,” Schultz said. “I think that’s a problem.”
That decision led a county resident to take the case to the Fairfax County Circuit Court, the resident accused the Board of violating Virginia’s Freedom of Information Act and sunshine laws. The verdict is expected this month.
Springfield District School Board member Liz Bradsher voted to close the school. Bradsher, who recently testified in court on the FOIA issue, has not announced a reelection campaign. Her website is currently down.
In a January interview with Patch, Bradsher said that she “might” have political ambitions beyond her current post.
“It costs more to operate that school, and in this type of time, with the issues with that facility, a decision had to be made. And I made it,” Bradsher told Patch in the same interview.
Janine Coffman, a Clifton resident said she was disappointed with the School Board’s decision.
“We have to watch them shut our school down. The community school is so important to a neighborhood and how we create the basis for our local community” Coffman said. “Leave Clifton School as it is. Why should our children be taken from the community where they won’t grow up with their friends?”
Schultz said that Springfield has suffered from bad policy decisions.
“West Springfield High School has languished with renovation issues that should have been resolved 15 years ago,” Schultz said. “I know what my priorities are, but those aren’t necessarily the priorities of the Springfield District. We’ve experienced a categorical lack of representation in huge areas and people certainly feel that way, and I want to turn that around.”
Schultz, a self-described U.S. Navy “brat”, attended Chantilly High School for two years. She is currently the director of nonprofit Friends of Community Schools, and founded the Republican Women of Clifton.
Schultz also has an independent business selling Touchstone Crystal jewelry products. She is a graduate of James Madison University with degrees in political science and history and has lived with her family in Clifton for six years.
“I’ve always been impressed by her (Schultz’s) dynamic energy and her mind,” said Lin-dai Kendall, president of the Republican Women of Clifton. “She is an incredible thinker and I think she will do an incredible job. We all know that there is a lot of work to be done.”
http://fallschurch.patch.com/articles/schultz-kicks-off-school-board-campaign-2
Schultz Kicks Off School Board Campaign
On Saturday, Clifton mother of four Elizabeth Schultz kicked off her campaign for the Springfield District seat on the Fairfax County School Board with a fundraiser at Clifton Elementary School.
The Board’s decision last year to close the school created a firestorm of controversy in the community.
“The events over the last year-and-a-half kicked open a door, whether I liked it or not. I think we deserve better leadership, better planning, better vision,” Schultz told supporters. “We need a better approach to renovations, to school sizes and boundary changes and where and if we are going to build new schools.”
Last July, the School Board voted 9-2 to close the Clifton School that members of the board reported were due to deteriorating conditions, a lack of resources and decreasing enrollment.
“While we talk about boundary changes and a lack of seats, we plan to close a school, lose 400 seats and leave a tenth of the county without a public school,” Schultz said. “I think that’s a problem.”
That decision led a county resident to take the case to the Fairfax County Circuit Court, the resident accused the Board of violating Virginia’s Freedom of Information Act and sunshine laws. The verdict is expected this month.
Springfield District School Board member Liz Bradsher voted to close the school. Bradsher, who recently testified in court on the FOIA issue, has not announced a reelection campaign. Her website is currently down.
In a January interview with Patch, Bradsher said that she “might” have political ambitions beyond her current post.
“It costs more to operate that school, and in this type of time, with the issues with that facility, a decision had to be made. And I made it,” Bradsher told Patch in the same interview.
Janine Coffman, a Clifton resident said she was disappointed with the School Board’s decision.
“We have to watch them shut our school down. The community school is so important to a neighborhood and how we create the basis for our local community” Coffman said. “Leave Clifton School as it is. Why should our children be taken from the community where they won’t grow up with their friends?”
Schultz said that Springfield has suffered from bad policy decisions.
“West Springfield High School has languished with renovation issues that should have been resolved 15 years ago,” Schultz said. “I know what my priorities are, but those aren’t necessarily the priorities of the Springfield District. We’ve experienced a categorical lack of representation in huge areas and people certainly feel that way, and I want to turn that around.”
Schultz, a self-described U.S. Navy “brat”, attended Chantilly High School for two years. She is currently the director of nonprofit Friends of Community Schools, and founded the Republican Women of Clifton.
Schultz also has an independent business selling Touchstone Crystal jewelry products. She is a graduate of James Madison University with degrees in political science and history and has lived with her family in Clifton for six years.
“I’ve always been impressed by her (Schultz’s) dynamic energy and her mind,” said Lin-dai Kendall, president of the Republican Women of Clifton. “She is an incredible thinker and I think she will do an incredible job. We all know that there is a lot of work to be done.”
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Nice
()
Date: April 04, 2011 10:18PM
Yeah, getting a Clifton Republican (cut taxes, starve the govt/teachers) who cares mostly about CES closure, is the best option for my child?
How many folks are going to buy that?
Wait a minute..we also re-elected Bush..Shit we are screwed.
How many folks are going to buy that?
Wait a minute..we also re-elected Bush..Shit we are screwed.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Nicer
()
Date: April 04, 2011 11:15PM
Welcome to the real world. Class sizes are going to get bigger and small schools will be closed...why? Because it's not sustainable in the real world. If you want the "option" of small classes and small schools....then create one and/or pay for your child to attend it. Don't think working folks are obligated to give your precious child special advantages (no matter where you purchased your home).
Oh, and how's that gitmo closing and civilian trial idea working out? Oh, and did we just enter a third war? Imagine if that decision had been made by Bush......
Nice Wrote:
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> Yeah, getting a Clifton Republican (cut taxes,
> starve the govt/teachers) who cares mostly about
> CES closure, is the best option for my child?
>
> How many folks are going to buy that?
>
> Wait a minute..we also re-elected Bush..Shit we
> are screwed.
Oh, and how's that gitmo closing and civilian trial idea working out? Oh, and did we just enter a third war? Imagine if that decision had been made by Bush......
Nice Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yeah, getting a Clifton Republican (cut taxes,
> starve the govt/teachers) who cares mostly about
> CES closure, is the best option for my child?
>
> How many folks are going to buy that?
>
> Wait a minute..we also re-elected Bush..Shit we
> are screwed.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: April 04, 2011 11:15PM
Choice Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Not sure of what Liz Bradsher is going to do
Bradsher has withdrawn her application to join the Fairfax County Democratic Party.
She won't challenge Herrity. Too much of a long shot in the most Republican magisterial district in FFX County and it would be really, really expensive.
> but at least it looks like there is going to be a choice in who to vote for since somebody else is running for Liz Bradsher's current seat.<
Schultz is running as a Republican which party endorsed Bradsher last time.
Very much doubt Bradsher could get Springfield recommendation or FCDC endorsement for SB.
Bradsher will soon announce that she wants to spend more time with family.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Not sure of what Liz Bradsher is going to do
Bradsher has withdrawn her application to join the Fairfax County Democratic Party.
She won't challenge Herrity. Too much of a long shot in the most Republican magisterial district in FFX County and it would be really, really expensive.
> but at least it looks like there is going to be a choice in who to vote for since somebody else is running for Liz Bradsher's current seat.<
Schultz is running as a Republican which party endorsed Bradsher last time.
Very much doubt Bradsher could get Springfield recommendation or FCDC endorsement for SB.
Bradsher will soon announce that she wants to spend more time with family.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: April 04, 2011 11:41PM
Nicer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Welcome to the real world. Class sizes are going
> to get bigger and small schools will be
> closed...why? Because it's not sustainable in the
> real world. If you want the "option" of small
> classes and small schools....then create one
> and/or pay for your child to attend it. Don't
> think working folks are obligated to give your
> precious child special advantages (no matter where
> you purchased your home).
>
> Oh, and how's that gitmo closing and civilian
> trial idea working out? Oh, and did we just enter
> a third war? Imagine if that decision had been
> made by Bush......
>
What a bunch of BS. Schultz will get elected and Bradsher is finished. She can go sit in the bleachers and cheer for South County all she wants now. Those are the only people who can stand her now.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Welcome to the real world. Class sizes are going
> to get bigger and small schools will be
> closed...why? Because it's not sustainable in the
> real world. If you want the "option" of small
> classes and small schools....then create one
> and/or pay for your child to attend it. Don't
> think working folks are obligated to give your
> precious child special advantages (no matter where
> you purchased your home).
>
> Oh, and how's that gitmo closing and civilian
> trial idea working out? Oh, and did we just enter
> a third war? Imagine if that decision had been
> made by Bush......
>
What a bunch of BS. Schultz will get elected and Bradsher is finished. She can go sit in the bleachers and cheer for South County all she wants now. Those are the only people who can stand her now.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Knick Knack Granny Whack
()
Date: April 05, 2011 02:10AM
Just in case anyone needs a reminder - the only thing Bradsher should run for is the hills.
Levelling snide, nasty comments at grannys?
WOW.
Every time we think we saw the low, she lowers the bar.
http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/elizabeth-bradsher-on-clifton-elementary-school
Liz Downing Revell
7:29pm on Friday, February 4, 2011
Liz Bradsher emailed my mother and said that FCSB was not responsible for the financial health of the town (Clifton)....now isn't that an odd statement to make to a grandmother who was asking her to reconsider her decision to close Clifton ES?
Levelling snide, nasty comments at grannys?
WOW.
Every time we think we saw the low, she lowers the bar.
http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/elizabeth-bradsher-on-clifton-elementary-school
Liz Downing Revell
7:29pm on Friday, February 4, 2011
Liz Bradsher emailed my mother and said that FCSB was not responsible for the financial health of the town (Clifton)....now isn't that an odd statement to make to a grandmother who was asking her to reconsider her decision to close Clifton ES?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
No R or D for you!
()
Date: April 05, 2011 03:10AM
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
NeedDifferent
()
Date: April 05, 2011 09:23AM
Nice Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yeah, getting a Clifton Republican (cut taxes,
> starve the govt/teachers) who cares mostly about
> CES closure, is the best option for my child?
>
> How many folks are going to buy that?
>
> Wait a minute..we also re-elected Bush..Shit we
> are screwed.
The current Board Members who have a voting lock on the curernt Board are mainly Democrats and the teachers haven't had a pay increase in years because the current Board prioritized other things, they tried to spend our money building Gatehouse II, we still don't have FDK in the schools, etc. Before you try and blame no money like they do, just remember that more than half the entire County budget is put in their care. They have mismanaged it. Anybody is better than them.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yeah, getting a Clifton Republican (cut taxes,
> starve the govt/teachers) who cares mostly about
> CES closure, is the best option for my child?
>
> How many folks are going to buy that?
>
> Wait a minute..we also re-elected Bush..Shit we
> are screwed.
The current Board Members who have a voting lock on the curernt Board are mainly Democrats and the teachers haven't had a pay increase in years because the current Board prioritized other things, they tried to spend our money building Gatehouse II, we still don't have FDK in the schools, etc. Before you try and blame no money like they do, just remember that more than half the entire County budget is put in their care. They have mismanaged it. Anybody is better than them.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
smaller
()
Date: April 05, 2011 09:25AM
Nicer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Welcome to the real world. Class sizes are going
> to get bigger and small schools will be
> closed...why? Because it's not sustainable in the
> real world. If you want the "option" of small
> classes and small schools....then create one
> and/or pay for your child to attend it. Don't
> think working folks are obligated to give your
> precious child special advantages (no matter where
> you purchased your home).
>
> Oh, and how's that gitmo closing and civilian
> trial idea working out? Oh, and did we just enter
> a third war? Imagine if that decision had been
> made by Bush......
>
>
> Nice Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah, getting a Clifton Republican (cut taxes,
> > starve the govt/teachers) who cares mostly
> about
> > CES closure, is the best option for my child?
> >
> > How many folks are going to buy that?
> >
> > Wait a minute..we also re-elected Bush..Shit we
> > are screwed.
It is sustainable. They are imposing smaller class sizes in Florida and their schools are improving. They don't get nearly the budget that FCPS gets either. If you accept mediocrity by thinking there is nothing that can be done, than that is what you are going to get. We don't have to have larger class sizes.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Welcome to the real world. Class sizes are going
> to get bigger and small schools will be
> closed...why? Because it's not sustainable in the
> real world. If you want the "option" of small
> classes and small schools....then create one
> and/or pay for your child to attend it. Don't
> think working folks are obligated to give your
> precious child special advantages (no matter where
> you purchased your home).
>
> Oh, and how's that gitmo closing and civilian
> trial idea working out? Oh, and did we just enter
> a third war? Imagine if that decision had been
> made by Bush......
>
>
> Nice Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah, getting a Clifton Republican (cut taxes,
> > starve the govt/teachers) who cares mostly
> about
> > CES closure, is the best option for my child?
> >
> > How many folks are going to buy that?
> >
> > Wait a minute..we also re-elected Bush..Shit we
> > are screwed.
It is sustainable. They are imposing smaller class sizes in Florida and their schools are improving. They don't get nearly the budget that FCPS gets either. If you accept mediocrity by thinking there is nothing that can be done, than that is what you are going to get. We don't have to have larger class sizes.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bradsher No Friend of WSHS
()
Date: April 05, 2011 03:21PM
Bradsher is out beating the drum that she wants to take care of our school.
She takes care of whatever pet project is in the moment. Stuart Gibson and Dean Tistadt did not support building the school in her end of the county.
Why not take care of this school first before giving a brand new school (the second one) to her neighborhood?
Now she can't fights with her party, joins another, unjoins it and still wants our support because now she is going to help us?
Go sell crazy someplace else. We're all stocked up here.
Attachments:
She takes care of whatever pet project is in the moment. Stuart Gibson and Dean Tistadt did not support building the school in her end of the county.
Why not take care of this school first before giving a brand new school (the second one) to her neighborhood?
Now she can't fights with her party, joins another, unjoins it and still wants our support because now she is going to help us?
Go sell crazy someplace else. We're all stocked up here.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SCB=Hypocrite!
()
Date: April 05, 2011 04:12PM
Liz Bradsher says the below and then closes Clifton ES and forces thousands of kids to be affected by her efforts?
_____________________________________________________________________________
"In a county where transportation concerns remain paramount, one has to wonder why these closer communities are being sent to a school so far removed from their neighborhood," said Elizabeth Bradsher, a Fairfax Station resident who has worked for the construction of both South County schools for over a decade. "A closer school is less than two miles away from their residents' homes."
(...)urged the School Board to keep students(...)at their community school, arguing that moving them so far from home will greatly reduce their ability to participate in sports or other after-school activities.
(...)the Board continues to struggle with process and with decisions," she said. "It appears certain decisions are politically based and the students are but numbers to transfer from one school location to another. "
__________________________________________________________________________
This is why this woman is called the South County *itch. Two-faced, self-serving all-about-what's-in-it-for-me club.
She will lie to anyone and everyone in their face.
The quotes are about her own neighborhood. When the exact same situation came up in Clifton, she no longer had these values.
Bottom line, she doesn't give a crap about any kid or anyone in this county that doesn't buy her a vote.
She is the SCB forever.
Article is here = http://tiny.cc/tuux9
_____________________________________________________________________________
"In a county where transportation concerns remain paramount, one has to wonder why these closer communities are being sent to a school so far removed from their neighborhood," said Elizabeth Bradsher, a Fairfax Station resident who has worked for the construction of both South County schools for over a decade. "A closer school is less than two miles away from their residents' homes."
(...)urged the School Board to keep students(...)at their community school, arguing that moving them so far from home will greatly reduce their ability to participate in sports or other after-school activities.
(...)the Board continues to struggle with process and with decisions," she said. "It appears certain decisions are politically based and the students are but numbers to transfer from one school location to another. "
__________________________________________________________________________
This is why this woman is called the South County *itch. Two-faced, self-serving all-about-what's-in-it-for-me club.
She will lie to anyone and everyone in their face.
The quotes are about her own neighborhood. When the exact same situation came up in Clifton, she no longer had these values.
Bottom line, she doesn't give a crap about any kid or anyone in this county that doesn't buy her a vote.
She is the SCB forever.
Article is here = http://tiny.cc/tuux9
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
logic
()
Date: April 06, 2011 08:11AM
Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Choice Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not sure of what Liz Bradsher is going to do
>
> Bradsher has withdrawn her application to join the
> Fairfax County Democratic Party.
>
> She won't challenge Herrity. Too much of a long
> shot in the most Republican magisterial district
> in FFX County and it would be really, really
> expensive.
>
> > but at least it looks like there is going to be
> a choice in who to vote for since somebody else is
> running for Liz Bradsher's current seat.<
>
> Schultz is running as a Republican which party
> endorsed Bradsher last time.
>
> Very much doubt Bradsher could get Springfield
> recommendation or FCDC endorsement for SB.
>
> Bradsher will soon announce that she wants to
> spend more time with family.
With an influx of so many new Board Members and if they really do close Clifton Elementary at the end of this year, it wouldn't be surprising to some people to see Jack Dale and Tisdadt looking for new jobs soon. Seems like they probably need to figure out which is more important - their pride and sticking with a bad decision (closing CES and shuffling all these kids around) or keeping their high salary jobs in a bad economy.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Choice Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not sure of what Liz Bradsher is going to do
>
> Bradsher has withdrawn her application to join the
> Fairfax County Democratic Party.
>
> She won't challenge Herrity. Too much of a long
> shot in the most Republican magisterial district
> in FFX County and it would be really, really
> expensive.
>
> > but at least it looks like there is going to be
> a choice in who to vote for since somebody else is
> running for Liz Bradsher's current seat.<
>
> Schultz is running as a Republican which party
> endorsed Bradsher last time.
>
> Very much doubt Bradsher could get Springfield
> recommendation or FCDC endorsement for SB.
>
> Bradsher will soon announce that she wants to
> spend more time with family.
With an influx of so many new Board Members and if they really do close Clifton Elementary at the end of this year, it wouldn't be surprising to some people to see Jack Dale and Tisdadt looking for new jobs soon. Seems like they probably need to figure out which is more important - their pride and sticking with a bad decision (closing CES and shuffling all these kids around) or keeping their high salary jobs in a bad economy.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
All in the Family
()
Date: April 06, 2011 12:17PM
BLECH!
It runs in the family;
"(Don) Bradsher, however, is adamant about his position, saying, "Leave us out; all we're asking is to be excluded." He said their customers know where they are and the businesses would get no benefit from being in the Historic District. Furthermore, he said, "It's a real slap in the face to a group of businessmen and women who've paid a fair amount of taxes to the county over the years."
At-Large Planning Commissioner Jim Hart disagrees. "Our experience, historically, is that the ARB is reasonable and, at this point, I don't think it's an undue burden on anybody."
"Those old buildings are right next to where the Eagle Tavern used to be," he continued. "And the WFCCA [West Fairfax County Citizens Association] nominated [their land parcel] in the last APR [Area Plans Review] cycle for inclusion in the Historic District."
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=235242&paper=62&cat=104
So their taxes and value of home and business matter - but only for them? All the rest of us can take a flying leap and get stabbed in the back by Liz Bradsher?
It runs in the family;
"(Don) Bradsher, however, is adamant about his position, saying, "Leave us out; all we're asking is to be excluded." He said their customers know where they are and the businesses would get no benefit from being in the Historic District. Furthermore, he said, "It's a real slap in the face to a group of businessmen and women who've paid a fair amount of taxes to the county over the years."
At-Large Planning Commissioner Jim Hart disagrees. "Our experience, historically, is that the ARB is reasonable and, at this point, I don't think it's an undue burden on anybody."
"Those old buildings are right next to where the Eagle Tavern used to be," he continued. "And the WFCCA [West Fairfax County Citizens Association] nominated [their land parcel] in the last APR [Area Plans Review] cycle for inclusion in the Historic District."
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=235242&paper=62&cat=104
So their taxes and value of home and business matter - but only for them? All the rest of us can take a flying leap and get stabbed in the back by Liz Bradsher?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz Switches Parties-Again!
()
Date: April 06, 2011 02:54PM
http://www.novacommonsense.com/2011/04/04/breaking-liz-bradsher-withdraws-application-to-fcdc/
Bradsher yanked her application to join the Fairfax County Democratic Committee.
So what is next? We can't wait for the announcement Liz!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtcSaCZmCLE&feature=player_embedded
"Donate here to ensure every young person who wants to can attend these Marxist schools. It is inspiring to know talented, committed and highly motivated youth are ready to step in and continue the struggle for democracy and socialism. Thanks for your generous support to ensure the future."
http://www.cpusa.org/blog/
Bradsher yanked her application to join the Fairfax County Democratic Committee.
So what is next? We can't wait for the announcement Liz!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtcSaCZmCLE&feature=player_embedded
"Donate here to ensure every young person who wants to can attend these Marxist schools. It is inspiring to know talented, committed and highly motivated youth are ready to step in and continue the struggle for democracy and socialism. Thanks for your generous support to ensure the future."
http://www.cpusa.org/blog/
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
More $?
()
Date: April 06, 2011 06:00PM
Does anyone know or know how to find out if FCPS paid money to this group?
http://vienna.patch.com/articles/prevention-conference-tackles-middle-school-bullying-substance-abuse
Adler shows up in many emails with Bradsher to help take down Clifotn Elem.
http://vienna.patch.com/articles/prevention-conference-tackles-middle-school-bullying-substance-abuse
Adler shows up in many emails with Bradsher to help take down Clifotn Elem.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
funding
()
Date: April 06, 2011 08:42PM
More $? Wrote:
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> Does anyone know or know how to find out if FCPS
> paid money to this group?
>
> http://vienna.patch.com/articles/prevention-confer
> ence-tackles-middle-school-bullying-substance-abus
> e
>
> Adler shows up in many emails with Bradsher to
> help take down Clifotn Elem.
Not sure about FCPS giving UPC money, but found this --
"The Unified Prevention Coalition (UPC) and this web site are partially funded with a Drug Free Communities Support Program federal grant administered by the Office of National Drug Control Policy and SAMHSA. UPC is also funded with Student Safety and Wellness Schools and Communities Act funds from the U.S. Department of Education."
http://unifiedpreventioncoalition.org/home/42-coalition-partners/6-project-sticker-shock.html
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> Does anyone know or know how to find out if FCPS
> paid money to this group?
>
> http://vienna.patch.com/articles/prevention-confer
> ence-tackles-middle-school-bullying-substance-abus
> e
>
> Adler shows up in many emails with Bradsher to
> help take down Clifotn Elem.
Not sure about FCPS giving UPC money, but found this --
"The Unified Prevention Coalition (UPC) and this web site are partially funded with a Drug Free Communities Support Program federal grant administered by the Office of National Drug Control Policy and SAMHSA. UPC is also funded with Student Safety and Wellness Schools and Communities Act funds from the U.S. Department of Education."
http://unifiedpreventioncoalition.org/home/42-coalition-partners/6-project-sticker-shock.html
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
info4u
()
Date: April 06, 2011 08:55PM
More $? Wrote:
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> Does anyone know or know how to find out if FCPS
> paid money to this group?
>
> http://vienna.patch.com/articles/prevention-confer
> ence-tackles-middle-school-bullying-substance-abus
> e
>
> Adler shows up in many emails with Bradsher to
> help take down Clifotn Elem.
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=326958&paper=82&cat=104
Substance Abuse Prevention Conference
The first countywide, substance-abuse and violence prevention conference will be held Saturday, March 28, from 8:15 a.m.-4 p.m., at Oakton High, 2900 Sutton Road in Vienna. Organizers are the Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) Safe and Drug-Free Youth Section and its Unified Prevention Coalition (UPC), in collaboration with Fairfax County agencies and organizations in Northern Virginia.
Called "What Today’s Youth Need You to Know," the conference is designed for county residents and employees and will focus on educating adults, youth and professional service providers about current trends recently reported in the 2008 Fairfax County Youth Survey pertaining to alcohol and drug abuse, plus issues pertinent to raising healthy families. For more information, contact Lisa Adler, prevention conference coordinator, at 571-423-4270 or Lisa.Adler@fcps.edu.
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> Does anyone know or know how to find out if FCPS
> paid money to this group?
>
> http://vienna.patch.com/articles/prevention-confer
> ence-tackles-middle-school-bullying-substance-abus
> e
>
> Adler shows up in many emails with Bradsher to
> help take down Clifotn Elem.
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=326958&paper=82&cat=104
Substance Abuse Prevention Conference
The first countywide, substance-abuse and violence prevention conference will be held Saturday, March 28, from 8:15 a.m.-4 p.m., at Oakton High, 2900 Sutton Road in Vienna. Organizers are the Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) Safe and Drug-Free Youth Section and its Unified Prevention Coalition (UPC), in collaboration with Fairfax County agencies and organizations in Northern Virginia.
Called "What Today’s Youth Need You to Know," the conference is designed for county residents and employees and will focus on educating adults, youth and professional service providers about current trends recently reported in the 2008 Fairfax County Youth Survey pertaining to alcohol and drug abuse, plus issues pertinent to raising healthy families. For more information, contact Lisa Adler, prevention conference coordinator, at 571-423-4270 or Lisa.Adler@fcps.edu.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
NO to More $
()
Date: April 06, 2011 11:50PM
info4u Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> More $? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Does anyone know or know how to find out if
> FCPS
> > paid money to this group?
> >
> >
> http://vienna.patch.com/articles/prevention-confer
>
> >
> ence-tackles-middle-school-bullying-substance-abus
>
> > e
> >
> > Adler shows up in many emails with Bradsher to
> > help take down Clifotn Elem.
>
>
> http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?ar
> ticle=326958&paper=82&cat=104
> Substance Abuse Prevention Conference
> The first countywide, substance-abuse and violence
> prevention conference will be held Saturday, March
> 28, from 8:15 a.m.-4 p.m., at Oakton High, 2900
> Sutton Road in Vienna. Organizers are the Fairfax
> County Public Schools (FCPS) Safe and Drug-Free
> Youth Section and its Unified Prevention Coalition
> (UPC), in collaboration with Fairfax County
> agencies and organizations in Northern Virginia.
> Called "What Today’s Youth Need You to Know,"
> the conference is designed for county residents
> and employees and will focus on educating adults,
> youth and professional service providers about
> current trends recently reported in the 2008
> Fairfax County Youth Survey pertaining to alcohol
> and drug abuse, plus issues pertinent to raising
> healthy families. For more information, contact
> Lisa Adler, prevention conference coordinator, at
> 571-423-4270 or Lisa.Adler@fcps.edu.
Wait - this is nuts. No wonder we have out of control school board, FCPS admin and no money.
Why does this Adler person have an FCPS.edu email address?
How much did this cost?
Who funded it?
Is Bradsher funneling county funds to this?
The 2010 Fairfax County Youth Survey was given to Fairfax County Public School students in 6th, 8th, 10th, and 12th grades in the fall of 2010.
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demogrph/pdf/2010ys_riskandprotectivefactors_survey.pdf
2010 Risk and Protective Factors Survey Instrument
(8th, 10th, and 12th grades)
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demogrph/pdf/2010ys_6thgrade_instrument.pdf
2010 6th Grade Youth Survey Instrument
2010 Parent Letter and Opt-Out Form
Arabic Chinese English Farsi Korean Spanish Urdu Vietnamese
2010 Frequently Asked Questions
Publications are available in a PDF format. In order to view these files, you must have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed on your computer.
-------------------------------------------------------
> More $? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Does anyone know or know how to find out if
> FCPS
> > paid money to this group?
> >
> >
> http://vienna.patch.com/articles/prevention-confer
>
> >
> ence-tackles-middle-school-bullying-substance-abus
>
> > e
> >
> > Adler shows up in many emails with Bradsher to
> > help take down Clifotn Elem.
>
>
> http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?ar
> ticle=326958&paper=82&cat=104
> Substance Abuse Prevention Conference
> The first countywide, substance-abuse and violence
> prevention conference will be held Saturday, March
> 28, from 8:15 a.m.-4 p.m., at Oakton High, 2900
> Sutton Road in Vienna. Organizers are the Fairfax
> County Public Schools (FCPS) Safe and Drug-Free
> Youth Section and its Unified Prevention Coalition
> (UPC), in collaboration with Fairfax County
> agencies and organizations in Northern Virginia.
> Called "What Today’s Youth Need You to Know,"
> the conference is designed for county residents
> and employees and will focus on educating adults,
> youth and professional service providers about
> current trends recently reported in the 2008
> Fairfax County Youth Survey pertaining to alcohol
> and drug abuse, plus issues pertinent to raising
> healthy families. For more information, contact
> Lisa Adler, prevention conference coordinator, at
> 571-423-4270 or Lisa.Adler@fcps.edu.
Wait - this is nuts. No wonder we have out of control school board, FCPS admin and no money.
Why does this Adler person have an FCPS.edu email address?
How much did this cost?
Who funded it?
Is Bradsher funneling county funds to this?
The 2010 Fairfax County Youth Survey was given to Fairfax County Public School students in 6th, 8th, 10th, and 12th grades in the fall of 2010.
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demogrph/pdf/2010ys_riskandprotectivefactors_survey.pdf
2010 Risk and Protective Factors Survey Instrument
(8th, 10th, and 12th grades)
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demogrph/pdf/2010ys_6thgrade_instrument.pdf
2010 6th Grade Youth Survey Instrument
2010 Parent Letter and Opt-Out Form
Arabic Chinese English Farsi Korean Spanish Urdu Vietnamese
2010 Frequently Asked Questions
Publications are available in a PDF format. In order to view these files, you must have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed on your computer.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
tr
()
Date: April 08, 2011 09:42PM
Scott Strzinek; he's serving 3 years. Funny 'cause they screwedup the term lottery too (the reps picked out a brown bag, but staff couldn't get that right either)
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TruthBeTold
()
Date: April 08, 2011 10:43PM
A note about party endorsements for school board. Following are the endorsed incumbents and party has nothing to do with whether they are outstanding and responsive or incompetent and dismissive. I'm a stauch supporter of my own party, but I have to say, some members of the opposite party deserve high acclaim. Here's one take. GOOD and WARM mostly are reformers who are consistently out-manipulated by Dale and out-voted. BAD POLITICAL people exhibit few principles, go where the election wind is blowing, and may turn WARM or GOOD if it's politically expedient. BAD and STRANGE are just that.
NONE of them is without blemish, but at least the GOOD and WARM ones are ethical, genuinely vote for the best interests of all children, and push back at Dale, whom they know is their EMPLOYEE.
Bradsher, Elizabeth (R) – Springfield – BAD, not known if running I; kicked out of R
Center, Brad (D) – Lee – WARM, not running 2011
Evans, Sandy (D) – Mason - GOOD
Gibson, Stuart (D) – Hunter Mill – BAD, not running 2011
Hone, Tina (D) – At Large – GOOD, not running 2011
Moon, Ilryong (D) – At Large – WARM
Raney, Jim (D) – At Large – STRANGE, not running 2011
Reed, Patty (R) – Providence – GOOD
Wilson, Tessie (R) – Braddock - BAD
Smith, Kathy L (D) – Sully – BAD BUT POLITICAL
Storck, Dan (D) – Mt Vernon – GOOD
Strauss, Jane (D) – Dranesville – BAD BUT POLITICAL
Bottom line: Pay attention and vote in REFORM candidates in November 2011!
NONE of them is without blemish, but at least the GOOD and WARM ones are ethical, genuinely vote for the best interests of all children, and push back at Dale, whom they know is their EMPLOYEE.
Bradsher, Elizabeth (R) – Springfield – BAD, not known if running I; kicked out of R
Center, Brad (D) – Lee – WARM, not running 2011
Evans, Sandy (D) – Mason - GOOD
Gibson, Stuart (D) – Hunter Mill – BAD, not running 2011
Hone, Tina (D) – At Large – GOOD, not running 2011
Moon, Ilryong (D) – At Large – WARM
Raney, Jim (D) – At Large – STRANGE, not running 2011
Reed, Patty (R) – Providence – GOOD
Wilson, Tessie (R) – Braddock - BAD
Smith, Kathy L (D) – Sully – BAD BUT POLITICAL
Storck, Dan (D) – Mt Vernon – GOOD
Strauss, Jane (D) – Dranesville – BAD BUT POLITICAL
Bottom line: Pay attention and vote in REFORM candidates in November 2011!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WilsonNotRunning
()
Date: April 08, 2011 10:52PM
TruthBeTold Wrote:
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> Wilson, Tessie (R) – Braddock - BAD
She's already announced she is not running.
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> Wilson, Tessie (R) – Braddock - BAD
She's already announced she is not running.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
TruthBeTold
()
Date: April 08, 2011 10:55PM
Right. Missed that. Don't know how b/c a fabulous replacement is in the works: Megan McLaughlin.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
johnny read lately
()
Date: April 09, 2011 12:01AM
catching up on reading. this is just super crazy. this article drips with open hostility. this board rep knows 1 [one!] person is responsible for everything out there bradsher wrote herself?
yup. she knows. it's called face in the mirror.
and it has to be that elected public officials have a seminar or advice about the laws that govern their work. but it is somehow the public's fault her email traffic is in the public domain?
right.
http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/elizabeth-bradsher-on-clifton-elementary-school
Q:It has to be an eerie feeling, seeing your emails in the public realm like that — or was that something you always knew was a possibility?
A: Sometimes you hear that they could be FOIA'ed, but I'll tell you: I kind of know who's behind this and the lack of respect that I've gotten from this person is — it's hard to imagine, and it saddens me greatly. Let me put it that way.
[] Clifton didn't listen. The Clifton residents never wanted to listen.
Can you elaborate on that?
I told them that this was a School Board issue. It wasn't an issue for the Board of Supervisors. And if they [advocated through] their supervisor it was going to be a detriment to them, because he does not make the decision and he does not have a good relationship with the School Board.
yup. she knows. it's called face in the mirror.
and it has to be that elected public officials have a seminar or advice about the laws that govern their work. but it is somehow the public's fault her email traffic is in the public domain?
right.
http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/elizabeth-bradsher-on-clifton-elementary-school
Q:It has to be an eerie feeling, seeing your emails in the public realm like that — or was that something you always knew was a possibility?
A: Sometimes you hear that they could be FOIA'ed, but I'll tell you: I kind of know who's behind this and the lack of respect that I've gotten from this person is — it's hard to imagine, and it saddens me greatly. Let me put it that way.
[] Clifton didn't listen. The Clifton residents never wanted to listen.
Can you elaborate on that?
I told them that this was a School Board issue. It wasn't an issue for the Board of Supervisors. And if they [advocated through] their supervisor it was going to be a detriment to them, because he does not make the decision and he does not have a good relationship with the School Board.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bradsher appearance on Tues. 4/12
()
Date: April 09, 2011 09:26AM
Liz Bradsher will be at Irving Middle School, 8100 Old Keene Mill Road, Springfield, on Tuesday, April 12 at 7 pm. She will provide updates on the FCPS budget, the disciplinary process, and the WSHS renovation schedule.
Hopefully people can ask questions (and not have it be a monologue). The meeting is in Barker Hall.
Hopefully people can ask questions (and not have it be a monologue). The meeting is in Barker Hall.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
listening?
()
Date: April 09, 2011 08:39PM
Just read this and found it to be very enlightening.
Serving Up Crow For FCPS Officials on School Renovations & Additions
Red Apple Mom | April 9, 2011 at 3:11 pm |
Remember the scathing editorial School Board member Liz Bradsher wrote last October in the Fairfax Times? It’s the one where she attacked a parent who raised important questions about FCPS’ renovation queue relative to FCPS’ closure of Clifton ES.
Bradsher’s editorial titled “Don’t Let the Facts Get In the Way of a Good Op Ed” specifically stated: “…Clifton Elementary School has 366 students and all students can be moved to successful nearby schools without the necessity of additions or renovations.
Well, well, well. Look out Ms. Bradsher –looks like some multi-million dollar facts are getting "in the way." You told parents and taxpayers that additions and renovations weren’t needed. The FCPS 2011 Proposed 2011 School Bond Referendum tells a different story.
The proposed 2011 bond, released by FCPS last week, shows $13.7 million for “additions and renovations” to schools that Clifton ES students will now be transferred to.
Among the proposed bond projects include:
Fairfax Villa ES (6 rooms) $ 3,129,294
Greenbriar East ES (9 rooms) $ 3,889,687
Union Mill ES (8 rooms) $ 3,419,715
Modular Relocations $ 3,250,000
Capacity Enhancement Subtotal: $ 13,688,696
Ready to eat some crow Ms. Bradsher?
Save some for FCPS Chief Operation Officer for Facilities Planning Dean Tistadt.
Back in October, Tistadt told concerned parents and taxpayers at a SW Boundary study meeting that FCPS already had money for any projects that might be needed as the result of shifting students from Clifton ES to new schools.
“We actually have a great deal of money in what we call the “construction reserve,” Tistadt is quoted in the Centreville Patch. The Patch quotes Tistadt saying that the funds were left over from previous bond referendums. “According to law, that money can be spent on any capital project,” said Tistadt.
So FCPS, if you already have leftover bond money , why are you sticking taxpayers with an additional proposed $13.7 million tab on the 2011 Bond?
If you already have leftover bond money, why the delay in jumpstarting much needed renovations at FCPS’ legacy high schools like Langley and West Springfield who have languished in the renovation queue for way too long?!
I smell the need for a serious audit of FCPS’ budget. Board of Supervisors, are you listening?
Serving Up Crow For FCPS Officials on School Renovations & Additions
Red Apple Mom | April 9, 2011 at 3:11 pm |
Remember the scathing editorial School Board member Liz Bradsher wrote last October in the Fairfax Times? It’s the one where she attacked a parent who raised important questions about FCPS’ renovation queue relative to FCPS’ closure of Clifton ES.
Bradsher’s editorial titled “Don’t Let the Facts Get In the Way of a Good Op Ed” specifically stated: “…Clifton Elementary School has 366 students and all students can be moved to successful nearby schools without the necessity of additions or renovations.
Well, well, well. Look out Ms. Bradsher –looks like some multi-million dollar facts are getting "in the way." You told parents and taxpayers that additions and renovations weren’t needed. The FCPS 2011 Proposed 2011 School Bond Referendum tells a different story.
The proposed 2011 bond, released by FCPS last week, shows $13.7 million for “additions and renovations” to schools that Clifton ES students will now be transferred to.
Among the proposed bond projects include:
Fairfax Villa ES (6 rooms) $ 3,129,294
Greenbriar East ES (9 rooms) $ 3,889,687
Union Mill ES (8 rooms) $ 3,419,715
Modular Relocations $ 3,250,000
Capacity Enhancement Subtotal: $ 13,688,696
Ready to eat some crow Ms. Bradsher?
Save some for FCPS Chief Operation Officer for Facilities Planning Dean Tistadt.
Back in October, Tistadt told concerned parents and taxpayers at a SW Boundary study meeting that FCPS already had money for any projects that might be needed as the result of shifting students from Clifton ES to new schools.
“We actually have a great deal of money in what we call the “construction reserve,” Tistadt is quoted in the Centreville Patch. The Patch quotes Tistadt saying that the funds were left over from previous bond referendums. “According to law, that money can be spent on any capital project,” said Tistadt.
So FCPS, if you already have leftover bond money , why are you sticking taxpayers with an additional proposed $13.7 million tab on the 2011 Bond?
If you already have leftover bond money, why the delay in jumpstarting much needed renovations at FCPS’ legacy high schools like Langley and West Springfield who have languished in the renovation queue for way too long?!
I smell the need for a serious audit of FCPS’ budget. Board of Supervisors, are you listening?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Ask Liz!
()
Date: April 10, 2011 07:46AM
Ask Liz at Irving Middle School on Tuesday, 4/12 at 7 pm. Bring cameras, recording devices, etc.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
forum reader
()
Date: April 10, 2011 08:40AM
LOVED Red Apple Mom's call for an audit. There are so many unanswered questions. I just don't understand how taking children from a brick and mortar school and putting them into a trailer park is good for FCPS.
I also don't think this move to mega elementary schools is a good idea. As Liz said when she ran "I believe in community schools." (that may be a paraphrase)
Here's a great letter to the editor that is in the Centreview this week on the FCPS budget issue:
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=349651&paper=71&cat=110
Does anyone know what FCPS plans to do with the Clifton school? I suspect that could answer a lot of questions.
I also don't think this move to mega elementary schools is a good idea. As Liz said when she ran "I believe in community schools." (that may be a paraphrase)
Here's a great letter to the editor that is in the Centreview this week on the FCPS budget issue:
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=349651&paper=71&cat=110
Does anyone know what FCPS plans to do with the Clifton school? I suspect that could answer a lot of questions.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sully District
()
Date: April 10, 2011 08:51AM
Question:
Is anyone running against Kathy Smith for Sully?
Also, I had a phone call survey a few weeks ago. The questioner asked whether I would vote for Frey or Kathy Smith for Supervisor...
Any answers out there?
Is anyone running against Kathy Smith for Sully?
Also, I had a phone call survey a few weeks ago. The questioner asked whether I would vote for Frey or Kathy Smith for Supervisor...
Any answers out there?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Clifton plans
()
Date: April 10, 2011 09:21AM
forum reader Wrote:
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>
> Does anyone know what FCPS plans to do with the
> Clifton school? I suspect that could answer a lot
> of questions.
This is my question too. What becomes of the land and school building? A community center/park?
So far, FCPS has been silent about what happens to the land and building, and nothing has been mentioned on this forum. Very strange. I find it hard to believe that the county has not considered any plan. Maybe they want to sell it for development?
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>
> Does anyone know what FCPS plans to do with the
> Clifton school? I suspect that could answer a lot
> of questions.
This is my question too. What becomes of the land and school building? A community center/park?
So far, FCPS has been silent about what happens to the land and building, and nothing has been mentioned on this forum. Very strange. I find it hard to believe that the county has not considered any plan. Maybe they want to sell it for development?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
no answer
()
Date: April 10, 2011 09:30AM
I have no clue.
Move Fair Ridge admin offices? FCPS has quite a large group there. Lunchtime restaurant selections would be limited, however. (very important for school officials.)
Move Mountain View? doubt that. The location wouldn't adapt well.
Does a church want to buy it? That could be very likely.
Private school? Also, very likely. Of course, FCPS would not want it to be charter school. Liz would probably love to have branch of Saudi school at that location.
Some kind of swap for other property? More likely. I'm not familiar with the property-but it seems to me it would be premium property for a developer. Except, for the fact, of course, that your kids would have to go out of community for elementary school.
Hotel? Conference center?
Move Fair Ridge admin offices? FCPS has quite a large group there. Lunchtime restaurant selections would be limited, however. (very important for school officials.)
Move Mountain View? doubt that. The location wouldn't adapt well.
Does a church want to buy it? That could be very likely.
Private school? Also, very likely. Of course, FCPS would not want it to be charter school. Liz would probably love to have branch of Saudi school at that location.
Some kind of swap for other property? More likely. I'm not familiar with the property-but it seems to me it would be premium property for a developer. Except, for the fact, of course, that your kids would have to go out of community for elementary school.
Hotel? Conference center?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
rumor
()
Date: April 10, 2011 09:44AM
Anyone else heard the rumor that the Saudi Academy wants to buy it for a school? That would explain why FCPS wants to close it, they would make A LOT of money selling it to the Saudis!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
wouldn't surprise me
()
Date: April 10, 2011 01:10PM
rumor Wrote:
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> Anyone else heard the rumor that the Saudi Academy
> wants to buy it for a school? That would explain
> why FCPS wants to close it, they would make A LOT
> of money selling it to the Saudis!
Guess this would explain their intense desire to torpedo Clifton Elementary. Fairfax County will make WAY MORE MONEY selling it to the Saudis for their Muslim school.
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> Anyone else heard the rumor that the Saudi Academy
> wants to buy it for a school? That would explain
> why FCPS wants to close it, they would make A LOT
> of money selling it to the Saudis!
Guess this would explain their intense desire to torpedo Clifton Elementary. Fairfax County will make WAY MORE MONEY selling it to the Saudis for their Muslim school.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
no answer
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Date: April 10, 2011 01:39PM
Please people--I was just joking. I didn't intend to start a rumor. I pulled this out of thin air.. I just threw it out there as a joke. I was just trying to think of something tht Liz would love.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Apple a Day
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Date: April 10, 2011 03:31PM
http://redapplemom.wordpress.com/2011/04/09/serving-up-crow-for-fcps-officials-on-school-renovations-additions/
This is "blogalicious"!
Remember the scathing editorial School Board member Liz Bradsher wrote last October in the Fairfax Times? It’s the one where she attacked a parent who raised important questions about FCPS’ renovation queue relative to FCPS’ closure of Clifton ES. http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2301
Bradsher’s editorial titled “Don’t Let the Facts Get In the Way of a Good Op Ed” specifically stated: “…Clifton Elementary School has 366 students and all students can be moved to successful nearby schools without the necessity of additions or renovations. http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2343
Lizzie the Liar is at it again!
This is "blogalicious"!
Remember the scathing editorial School Board member Liz Bradsher wrote last October in the Fairfax Times? It’s the one where she attacked a parent who raised important questions about FCPS’ renovation queue relative to FCPS’ closure of Clifton ES. http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2301
Bradsher’s editorial titled “Don’t Let the Facts Get In the Way of a Good Op Ed” specifically stated: “…Clifton Elementary School has 366 students and all students can be moved to successful nearby schools without the necessity of additions or renovations. http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2343
Lizzie the Liar is at it again!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
time to vote no
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Date: April 10, 2011 05:29PM
I will not support another school bond until we get a new Board--and staff. Since we don't know if our board will be new, I will not support the bond in November.
It seems to me that something really smells here. Bradsher and Tistadt both said there was plenty of money.
It seems to me that something really smells here. Bradsher and Tistadt both said there was plenty of money.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
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Date: April 10, 2011 07:28PM
Sully District Wrote:
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> Question:
>
> Is anyone running against Kathy Smith for Sully?
>
> Also, I had a phone call survey a few weeks ago. The questioner asked whether I would vote for Frey or Kathy Smith for Supervisor...
>
> Any answers out there?
Smith is running against LeMunyon!
Velkoff will switch to run for the Sully seat because the D's won't endorse him for At Large and they won't endorse Kathy for Sully.
You read it here first.
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> Question:
>
> Is anyone running against Kathy Smith for Sully?
>
> Also, I had a phone call survey a few weeks ago. The questioner asked whether I would vote for Frey or Kathy Smith for Supervisor...
>
> Any answers out there?
Smith is running against LeMunyon!
Velkoff will switch to run for the Sully seat because the D's won't endorse him for At Large and they won't endorse Kathy for Sully.
You read it here first.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
wow!
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Date: April 10, 2011 07:32PM
Velkoff is Smith, Jr. He is a good pal of hers. He ran her last campaign. I sure hope someone else steps up for Sully district. Although, in the current atmosphere he probably has a better chance than Smith due to all the egg on her face.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
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Date: April 10, 2011 07:45PM
velkoff certainly is Kathy Smith Jr. which hurts him county wide but not in Sully.
His advantage is that he's not an incumbent because for most folks this is a "throw the bums out" election regarding the SB.
His advantage is that he's not an incumbent because for most folks this is a "throw the bums out" election regarding the SB.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
This or THIS
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Date: April 10, 2011 11:10PM
they can't even keep their stories straight:
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sully resident
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Date: April 11, 2011 09:22AM
Thomas More said:
"Smith is running against LeMunyon!
Velkoff will switch to run for the Sully seat because the D's won't endorse him for At Large and they won't endorse Kathy for Sully.
You read it here first."
That would explain why Kathy was not concerned about making VA Run unhappy.....Va Run is not in her House district. This way she solidified her base: Poplar Tree and Greenbriar and made them happy.
Most of the people that she made unhappy cannot vote against her because they do not live in her House district. Interesting.
"Smith is running against LeMunyon!
Velkoff will switch to run for the Sully seat because the D's won't endorse him for At Large and they won't endorse Kathy for Sully.
You read it here first."
That would explain why Kathy was not concerned about making VA Run unhappy.....Va Run is not in her House district. This way she solidified her base: Poplar Tree and Greenbriar and made them happy.
Most of the people that she made unhappy cannot vote against her because they do not live in her House district. Interesting.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Sully Voter
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Date: April 11, 2011 08:11PM
Please tell me that it is true that Smith is not going to run for school board but will run for state office.
I find it very difficult to believe that the Ds won't endorse her for school board.
When does she have to file to run for state office?
Is it really, really, really true about not running for school board?
I find it very difficult to believe that the Ds won't endorse her for school board.
When does she have to file to run for state office?
Is it really, really, really true about not running for school board?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
good riddance
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Date: April 11, 2011 08:29PM
Kathy Smith is a J-O-K-E. She has "lead" this school district into the ground and harmed its reputation.
One story after another about the antics of Dale and these clows on the School Board.
Suspending kids for allergy pills for 4 months!
Morality Gap Report!
Gatehouse I and attempts to buy Gatehouse II.
VGLA overuse/abuse and CHEATING on SOLs.
Failure to implement Full Day K.
Terrible relationship with The BOS which has cost this chool district millions in funding.
VRS Loan that will cost taxpayers $100 million in interest.
She isn't qualified to be in ANY public office-she should be run out of town for the damage and destruction she has caused.
One story after another about the antics of Dale and these clows on the School Board.
Suspending kids for allergy pills for 4 months!
Morality Gap Report!
Gatehouse I and attempts to buy Gatehouse II.
VGLA overuse/abuse and CHEATING on SOLs.
Failure to implement Full Day K.
Terrible relationship with The BOS which has cost this chool district millions in funding.
VRS Loan that will cost taxpayers $100 million in interest.
She isn't qualified to be in ANY public office-she should be run out of town for the damage and destruction she has caused.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
VRS mess
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Date: April 11, 2011 08:37PM
To make up for the cuts in state funding for K-12 education, the General Assembly reduced all Virginia school systems’ contributions to the Virginia Retirement System (VRS), saving FCPS $109 million. The lower VRS rate comes with a string: a 10-year repayment plan to make up for the reduced rate.
“This solution is short-sighted and fiscally unsound because starting two years from now, we will have to begin to pay off this loan on top of our regular VRS contribution,” says Superintendent Jack Dale. For that reason, Dale is recommending that a VRS reserve fund be established for the VRS bill that will come due
A reserve?
So FCPS doesn't spend any of this money that was waived but has to pay interest on it??!!
Where were all the FCPS lobbyists when the Governor was ramming this one down our throats?
Where was Kathy Smith?
They send the lobbyists to Richmond to argue against parental notification bills.
They send their lobbyists to Richmond to object to more PE time in schools.
They fight everything...except this.
Well done, Kathy!
There goes FDK funding-that $30 million in interest payments to VRS for the next TEN years would have paid for FDK.
Nice job.
“This solution is short-sighted and fiscally unsound because starting two years from now, we will have to begin to pay off this loan on top of our regular VRS contribution,” says Superintendent Jack Dale. For that reason, Dale is recommending that a VRS reserve fund be established for the VRS bill that will come due
A reserve?
So FCPS doesn't spend any of this money that was waived but has to pay interest on it??!!
Where were all the FCPS lobbyists when the Governor was ramming this one down our throats?
Where was Kathy Smith?
They send the lobbyists to Richmond to argue against parental notification bills.
They send their lobbyists to Richmond to object to more PE time in schools.
They fight everything...except this.
Well done, Kathy!
There goes FDK funding-that $30 million in interest payments to VRS for the next TEN years would have paid for FDK.
Nice job.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
VRS is looking good
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Date: April 11, 2011 08:56PM
Virginia Retirement System underfunded, JLARC says
Credit: TIMES-DISPATCH/FILE
State Sen. Walter A. Stosch says maintaining the needed rate of return for state-supported pensions will be a challenge.
By Tyler Whitley
Published: December 14, 2010
The combined unfunded liability of the Virginia Retirement System and other state-supported pension plans amounts to $17.6 billion, a report by the legislature's watchdog agency concluded Monday.
That means that contributions by the state and local governments likely will have to increase in the next biennium, said Tracey Smith, an analyst with the Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission.
The rate of return would have to be 44 percent for contribution rates to remain where they are, she said. The rate of return this year has been 11 percent, which is good, she added.
Yes, $17 BILLION shortfall.
Yes, 44% return would be needed.
How much more are they going to squeeze from the private sector worker???
Credit: TIMES-DISPATCH/FILE
State Sen. Walter A. Stosch says maintaining the needed rate of return for state-supported pensions will be a challenge.
By Tyler Whitley
Published: December 14, 2010
The combined unfunded liability of the Virginia Retirement System and other state-supported pension plans amounts to $17.6 billion, a report by the legislature's watchdog agency concluded Monday.
That means that contributions by the state and local governments likely will have to increase in the next biennium, said Tracey Smith, an analyst with the Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission.
The rate of return would have to be 44 percent for contribution rates to remain where they are, she said. The rate of return this year has been 11 percent, which is good, she added.
Yes, $17 BILLION shortfall.
Yes, 44% return would be needed.
How much more are they going to squeeze from the private sector worker???
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
board watcher
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Date: April 11, 2011 09:24PM
I don't pretend to understand the VRS, but I do have a little common sense.
The lack of foresight of our staff and School Board -or is it the state government--who thought they were saving money by offering early retirement to so many teachers is mind boggling.
Many of them then began to double-dip by subbing-or even teaching. One friend, an administrator, told me that she did not want to retire, but when she did the math that she would have been a fool not to.
We are now reaping the fruits of all of this early retirement--they just kicked the problem down the road.
The lack of foresight of our staff and School Board -or is it the state government--who thought they were saving money by offering early retirement to so many teachers is mind boggling.
Many of them then began to double-dip by subbing-or even teaching. One friend, an administrator, told me that she did not want to retire, but when she did the math that she would have been a fool not to.
We are now reaping the fruits of all of this early retirement--they just kicked the problem down the road.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
pushingProblems
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Date: April 11, 2011 09:53PM
board watcher Wrote:
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> I don't pretend to understand the VRS, but I do
> have a little common sense.
>
> The lack of foresight of our staff and School
> Board -or is it the state government--who thought
> they were saving money by offering early
> retirement to so many teachers is mind boggling.
>
> Many of them then began to double-dip by
> subbing-or even teaching. One friend, an
> administrator, told me that she did not want to
> retire, but when she did the math that she would
> have been a fool not to.
>
> We are now reaping the fruits of all of this early
> retirement--they just kicked the problem down the
> road.
If it is one thing this School Board seemed to be really good at it was being short-sighted and pushing the problems onto somebody else to deal with later.
For example this area is only going to continue to grow and they really NEEDED to keep Clifton Elementary open just to accomodate that growth! Future School Board Members are now going to get stuck with the problem and it is going to impact a lot of children.
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> I don't pretend to understand the VRS, but I do
> have a little common sense.
>
> The lack of foresight of our staff and School
> Board -or is it the state government--who thought
> they were saving money by offering early
> retirement to so many teachers is mind boggling.
>
> Many of them then began to double-dip by
> subbing-or even teaching. One friend, an
> administrator, told me that she did not want to
> retire, but when she did the math that she would
> have been a fool not to.
>
> We are now reaping the fruits of all of this early
> retirement--they just kicked the problem down the
> road.
If it is one thing this School Board seemed to be really good at it was being short-sighted and pushing the problems onto somebody else to deal with later.
For example this area is only going to continue to grow and they really NEEDED to keep Clifton Elementary open just to accomodate that growth! Future School Board Members are now going to get stuck with the problem and it is going to impact a lot of children.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Eyes wide open II
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Date: April 11, 2011 11:14PM
To Time to Vote No....
Agree with you, I will not support another bond referendum either.
FCPS and some board members strongly urge parents to demand the BOS to provide additional money.
I heard there was 31 million in construction money in reserve, there is 161 plus million in unsold bonds that were to be used for renovation....and yet here they come again asking the voter to say yes to more bonds.
Now is the time to tell FCPS that while we have been fooled before, those days are over.....NOT Voting for Bond Referendum.....PERIOD !*+//////
Agree with you, I will not support another bond referendum either.
FCPS and some board members strongly urge parents to demand the BOS to provide additional money.
I heard there was 31 million in construction money in reserve, there is 161 plus million in unsold bonds that were to be used for renovation....and yet here they come again asking the voter to say yes to more bonds.
Now is the time to tell FCPS that while we have been fooled before, those days are over.....NOT Voting for Bond Referendum.....PERIOD !*+//////
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
voterturnout
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Date: April 12, 2011 10:57AM
Eyes wide open II Wrote:
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> To Time to Vote No....
>
> Agree with you, I will not support another bond
> referendum either.
>
> FCPS and some board members strongly urge parents
> to demand the BOS to provide additional money.
>
> I heard there was 31 million in construction money
> in reserve, there is 161 plus million in unsold
> bonds that were to be used for renovation....and
> yet here they come again asking the voter to say
> yes to more bonds.
>
> Now is the time to tell FCPS that while we have
> been fooled before, those days are over.....NOT
> Voting for Bond Referendum.....PERIOD !*+//////
Wonder if part of FCPS motivation in pushing all the Clifton kids out to other schools and overcrowding those schools was to motivate the parents of those schools to vote FOR a bond? Aren't most of the schools that are now going to be overcrowded the ones that have higher voter turnout? Even if the bond passes it doesn't mean they have to use that money on those schools though but most voters don't know that.
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> To Time to Vote No....
>
> Agree with you, I will not support another bond
> referendum either.
>
> FCPS and some board members strongly urge parents
> to demand the BOS to provide additional money.
>
> I heard there was 31 million in construction money
> in reserve, there is 161 plus million in unsold
> bonds that were to be used for renovation....and
> yet here they come again asking the voter to say
> yes to more bonds.
>
> Now is the time to tell FCPS that while we have
> been fooled before, those days are over.....NOT
> Voting for Bond Referendum.....PERIOD !*+//////
Wonder if part of FCPS motivation in pushing all the Clifton kids out to other schools and overcrowding those schools was to motivate the parents of those schools to vote FOR a bond? Aren't most of the schools that are now going to be overcrowded the ones that have higher voter turnout? Even if the bond passes it doesn't mean they have to use that money on those schools though but most voters don't know that.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
questioner
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Date: April 12, 2011 11:38AM
http://www.novacommonsense.com/2011/04/12/breaking-kathy-smith-to-challenge-jim-lemunyon/
Another report that Kathy Smith will run against Lemunyon for delegate. Is this just a red herring? Is she really going to run for Supervisor?
Another report that Kathy Smith will run against Lemunyon for delegate. Is this just a red herring? Is she really going to run for Supervisor?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
0 $ for FCPS
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Date: April 12, 2011 12:18PM
OOOOOOHHHHH, YOU'RE IN TROUBLE NOW!
Daddy is MAD at YOU.
Fairfax County Board of Supervisors told FCPS SB today that they do not get more money and that they need to get an separate auditor to report to SB instead of the in-house one Dale gets.
The sun, moon and tides are aligning!
Boat rockers unite!
Daddy is MAD at YOU.
Fairfax County Board of Supervisors told FCPS SB today that they do not get more money and that they need to get an separate auditor to report to SB instead of the in-house one Dale gets.
The sun, moon and tides are aligning!
Boat rockers unite!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
status?
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Date: April 14, 2011 09:12AM
anyone know the status of the lawsuit? I think the outcome of the FOIA case was still pending.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hope
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Date: April 17, 2011 09:00PM
Anyone know what Bradsher's political plan is for November? It's too much to hope that she will just slither away...
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
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Date: April 20, 2011 09:56AM
Bradsher is getting her wish for South County and the boundary planning phase is about to kick off with FPAC. First meeting to discuss "overcrowding" in South County is coming May 3 at South County. Wonder how Liz will spin the need here?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
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Date: April 21, 2011 12:57AM
"overcrowding" in South County??? That's a joke, right? South County middle school is opening WAY BELOW capacity, and they are going to claim overcrowding?!?!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bradsher's Idiot Legacy
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Date: April 21, 2011 09:31AM
Of course they will. They'll come up with future projections of over-crowding that cry out for relief.
With Bradsher's political career coming to a close, she'll be remembered only for two things - (1) building a school that wasn't needed and (2) closing a school that was needed.
A Soviet economic planner from the 1970s could not have done it any better.
With Bradsher's political career coming to a close, she'll be remembered only for two things - (1) building a school that wasn't needed and (2) closing a school that was needed.
A Soviet economic planner from the 1970s could not have done it any better.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Observing the Legacy of Idiots
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Date: April 26, 2011 04:15PM
@ Bradsher's Idiot Legacy: Agreed re: comparison of Liz to Soviet economic planner of 1970's. She can spin those facts and data!
@ Justataxpayer: See above. The Liz and the SC Whiners will be at it again.
No, I do not have a student in this fight, thank goodness. My child graduates next year from a fantastic school that is not involved in any of the above discussions. However, as a FFX Co. property owner and taxpayer, I have followed the SC whiners, Bradsher, and the non-representation of the Clifton population by their school board member. I do hope Lizzie is on her way out of politics . . .except maybe as a dogcatcher.
@ Justataxpayer: See above. The Liz and the SC Whiners will be at it again.
No, I do not have a student in this fight, thank goodness. My child graduates next year from a fantastic school that is not involved in any of the above discussions. However, as a FFX Co. property owner and taxpayer, I have followed the SC whiners, Bradsher, and the non-representation of the Clifton population by their school board member. I do hope Lizzie is on her way out of politics . . .except maybe as a dogcatcher.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
help
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Date: April 27, 2011 08:11AM
Anyone attend the meetings a few weeks ago where Liz was speaking, that can tell us what she said?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
looking ahead
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Date: April 28, 2011 02:23PM
Can't wait to see what lovely boundaries they create for Annandale. I so look forward to see how Lake Braddock and Woodson are impacted by the movement of Annandale students to their schools. If you don't think it's coming, think again, or perhaps you should fully support the non-boundary solutions. Enjoy! What a mess!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
kid juggling
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Date: April 28, 2011 02:58PM
The Annandale committee seems hell bent on keeping all the kids there. I find it bizarre...converting it to a 10-12th school...even dumber.
The change will be when Lake Braddock gets raided to populate the new UNNEEDED SOCO MS.....wait for it.
Otherwise, Bradsher, Storck and company will look like even bigger Jacka@** then they already are, by demanding that the school be built.
Oh yea, and look for a drastic OUTFLOW of the illegals in the next 5 years and we will wonder why we have all these schools.
Tax dollars well spent as usual.
The change will be when Lake Braddock gets raided to populate the new UNNEEDED SOCO MS.....wait for it.
Otherwise, Bradsher, Storck and company will look like even bigger Jacka@** then they already are, by demanding that the school be built.
Oh yea, and look for a drastic OUTFLOW of the illegals in the next 5 years and we will wonder why we have all these schools.
Tax dollars well spent as usual.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
underground observer
()
Date: April 28, 2011 03:26PM
Kid juggling said:
The Annandale committee seems hell bent on keeping all the kids there. I find it bizarre...converting it to a 10-12th school...even dumber.
Why? community loyalty--people are happy with Annandale. Why mess with something that works.
The Annandale committee seems hell bent on keeping all the kids there. I find it bizarre...converting it to a 10-12th school...even dumber.
Why? community loyalty--people are happy with Annandale. Why mess with something that works.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
define "works"
()
Date: April 28, 2011 03:43PM
Annandale is now an armpit of a school.
2500 students. Tailers everywhere-how did that work out today during the all day tornado watch?
49% FRM. 27% LEP.
One of the highest dropout rates. One of the worst SAT scores.
MS 13 training ground.
What exactly is "working" at this school?
What are you hoping to "preserve"?
2500 students. Tailers everywhere-how did that work out today during the all day tornado watch?
49% FRM. 27% LEP.
One of the highest dropout rates. One of the worst SAT scores.
MS 13 training ground.
What exactly is "working" at this school?
What are you hoping to "preserve"?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hearing question
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Date: April 29, 2011 10:23AM
Is the court hearing today:
Part of the original case?
Addition to the original case?
Finale of the original case?
what's left of the original case?
Part of the original case?
Addition to the original case?
Finale of the original case?
what's left of the original case?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
court case today
()
Date: April 29, 2011 10:41AM
The Judge is hearing arguments today on if Jack Dale violated FOIA rules. The Judge will rule whether JacK Dale is exempt from the public record laws.
At issue is emails that were withheld from a Freedom of Information Act request that was made on the decision at close CES.
If Jack Dale did violate the law the SB would need to vote again on the closing of CES.
We do not know yet if the Judge will make her final ruling today.
At issue is emails that were withheld from a Freedom of Information Act request that was made on the decision at close CES.
If Jack Dale did violate the law the SB would need to vote again on the closing of CES.
We do not know yet if the Judge will make her final ruling today.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
another question
()
Date: April 29, 2011 10:57AM
Is the only thing being considered from the original case the part about Jack Dale? That wasn't the only charge was it? What about the SB members?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thanks!
()
Date: April 29, 2011 11:35AM
court case today Wrote:
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> The Judge is hearing arguments today on if Jack
> Dale violated FOIA rules. The Judge will rule
> whether JacK Dale is exempt from the public record
> laws.
>
> At issue is emails that were withheld from a
> Freedom of Information Act request that was made
> on the decision at close CES.
>
> If Jack Dale did violate the law the SB would need
> to vote again on the closing of CES.
>
> We do not know yet if the Judge will make her
> final ruling today.
Thank you for the update. Can you post the decision, when you find out?
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> The Judge is hearing arguments today on if Jack
> Dale violated FOIA rules. The Judge will rule
> whether JacK Dale is exempt from the public record
> laws.
>
> At issue is emails that were withheld from a
> Freedom of Information Act request that was made
> on the decision at close CES.
>
> If Jack Dale did violate the law the SB would need
> to vote again on the closing of CES.
>
> We do not know yet if the Judge will make her
> final ruling today.
Thank you for the update. Can you post the decision, when you find out?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bus
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Date: April 29, 2011 12:30PM
http://fairfaxcity.patch.com/articles/traffic-nightmares-during-school-arrival-dismissal
FCPS complains about "Kiss and Ride"--just wait until next year!
reasons Tistadt didn't list:
unreliable buses--late or no show at all. If the parent has to go to the stop to see if the bus shows up, you may as well drive your child. Parent may drop child off on way to work to be sure kid isn't left standing and waiting.
dangerous bus stops on dangerous roads--Kiss and ride may be a problem, but so is standing in the dark on a busy street.
FCPS complains about "Kiss and Ride"--just wait until next year!
reasons Tistadt didn't list:
unreliable buses--late or no show at all. If the parent has to go to the stop to see if the bus shows up, you may as well drive your child. Parent may drop child off on way to work to be sure kid isn't left standing and waiting.
dangerous bus stops on dangerous roads--Kiss and ride may be a problem, but so is standing in the dark on a busy street.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Ruling
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Date: April 29, 2011 02:11PM
No ruling on violation of open mtgs act and no mention of a requirement for a re-vote. Judge did indicate release of additional emails won't make a difference anyway. From Fairfax Station Patch:
The Fairfax County School Board must release at least some of the emails sent by Superintendent Jack Dale during the Clifton Elementary School controversy, a judge ruled Friday morning.
“The unfortunate thing about this argument is that there is nothing in those documents that makes a hill of beans of difference, but the legal issue has been brought,” said Judge Leslie M. Alden during the hearing.
At issue are a series of emails withheld from a Freedom of Information Act request made in response to the school board’s controversial decision to close Clifton Elementary School. Clifton resident Jill Hill put in a request last year to view all emails exchanged between school board members during public meetings held in June and July of 2010, according to court records.
While Hill eventually was able to obtain most of those emails sent by school board members, school officials withheld much of the correspondence involving Jack Dale.
“It’s unfathomable to believe that any email sent by the superintendent would be barred from public view,” said Michael Guiffre, who is representing Hill from the Patton Boggs law firm in Washington, D.C.
About 20 to 30 documents were withheld, Alden said. School board attorneys stated that the emails were withheld partially because of a provision in state law which states that correspondence by a state chief executive officer is not public record.
During Friday’s hearing, attorneys on both sides argued over which emails would fall under the exemption.
While the judge ultimately determined that the school board will have to release at least some of those emails, attorneys are still in discussion over exactly which documents will be released.
“We were discussing some innocuous letters, so we will see,” said Tom Cawley, a lawyer with McLean firm Hunton & Williams LLP who representing the school board.
The content of the emails was not revealed at Friday’s hearing, though both attorneys for the school board and the judge stated that the emails would be unlikely to be of great impact.
The Fairfax County School Board must release at least some of the emails sent by Superintendent Jack Dale during the Clifton Elementary School controversy, a judge ruled Friday morning.
“The unfortunate thing about this argument is that there is nothing in those documents that makes a hill of beans of difference, but the legal issue has been brought,” said Judge Leslie M. Alden during the hearing.
At issue are a series of emails withheld from a Freedom of Information Act request made in response to the school board’s controversial decision to close Clifton Elementary School. Clifton resident Jill Hill put in a request last year to view all emails exchanged between school board members during public meetings held in June and July of 2010, according to court records.
While Hill eventually was able to obtain most of those emails sent by school board members, school officials withheld much of the correspondence involving Jack Dale.
“It’s unfathomable to believe that any email sent by the superintendent would be barred from public view,” said Michael Guiffre, who is representing Hill from the Patton Boggs law firm in Washington, D.C.
About 20 to 30 documents were withheld, Alden said. School board attorneys stated that the emails were withheld partially because of a provision in state law which states that correspondence by a state chief executive officer is not public record.
During Friday’s hearing, attorneys on both sides argued over which emails would fall under the exemption.
While the judge ultimately determined that the school board will have to release at least some of those emails, attorneys are still in discussion over exactly which documents will be released.
“We were discussing some innocuous letters, so we will see,” said Tom Cawley, a lawyer with McLean firm Hunton & Williams LLP who representing the school board.
The content of the emails was not revealed at Friday’s hearing, though both attorneys for the school board and the judge stated that the emails would be unlikely to be of great impact.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FCPS suck
()
Date: April 29, 2011 02:17PM
Look at all the money everyone has spent because of Jack Dale and his big ego. If he had just released the emails we would have not taken him to court.
How was CES to know the emails had nothing in them since JD was so hard up on NOT letting the public see them in the first place.
I bet CES could have stayed open with all the money the county has wasted in court. Morons.
How was CES to know the emails had nothing in them since JD was so hard up on NOT letting the public see them in the first place.
I bet CES could have stayed open with all the money the county has wasted in court. Morons.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
another question
()
Date: April 29, 2011 04:18PM
Did the judge rule on the "open meetings" part of the case? The part about the school board conducting meetings by email?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
BornAgain
()
Date: May 05, 2011 12:35AM
So from what I can tell, the court and the judget opened up more of Dales' communication so we don't get this kind or response?
It looks like we have only gained more open government since Clifton's crazy axe by the school bd led by Liz Bradsher.
Is the Scholl Board required to give up emails now too, like Jack Dale?
This is great news.
Attachments:
It looks like we have only gained more open government since Clifton's crazy axe by the school bd led by Liz Bradsher.
Is the Scholl Board required to give up emails now too, like Jack Dale?
This is great news.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
burnt toast
()
Date: May 05, 2011 09:06AM
Clifton is TOAST. Why don't we all come to our senses and spare the taxpayuers dollars over the fight and move on. I guess "breaking up is hard to do". Great job. Now we hvve all this fodder to read but NOTHING HAS CHANGED! Clifton still isn't going to stay open. Get over it!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
We realize Clifton is closing
()
Date: May 05, 2011 09:30AM
We just want to know what was in the emails that JD did want to release under law.
We are all moving on.
We are all moving on.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
kudos to Clifton
()
Date: May 05, 2011 12:08PM
Unlike most ninconpoops on the FU, I am extremely grateful to the Clifton parents for their relentless pursuit of the TRUTH.
WE ALL BENEFIT FROM THEIR HARD WORK.
Jack Dale and this School Board think the law does not apply to them.
For goodness sake, READ THESE EMAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!
A SB member-AN ELECTED OFFICIAL-asks a simple question:
"How many middle schools have geometry classes?"
Simple right---what is so damn controversial about this?????
Why do they have to black out the answer under executive privilege??
Talk about dysfunctional government. Is this the crap they do all day?
WE ALL BENEFIT FROM THEIR HARD WORK.
Jack Dale and this School Board think the law does not apply to them.
For goodness sake, READ THESE EMAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!
A SB member-AN ELECTED OFFICIAL-asks a simple question:
"How many middle schools have geometry classes?"
Simple right---what is so damn controversial about this?????
Why do they have to black out the answer under executive privilege??
Talk about dysfunctional government. Is this the crap they do all day?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Ye Olde Laughing Troll
()
Date: May 05, 2011 02:02PM
kudos to Clifton Wrote:
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> Unlike most ninconpoops on the FU, I am extremely
> grateful to the Clifton parents for their
> relentless pursuit of the TRUTH.
>
> WE ALL BENEFIT FROM THEIR HARD WORK.
>
> Jack Dale and this School Board think the law does
> not apply to them.
>
> For goodness sake, READ THESE EMAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> A SB member-AN ELECTED OFFICIAL-asks a simple
> question:
>
> "How many middle schools have geometry classes?"
>
> Simple right---what is so damn controversial about
> this?????
>
> Why do they have to black out the answer under
> executive privilege??
>
> Talk about dysfunctional government. Is this the
> crap they do all day?
Whine, Whine, Whine. Now get home and make me some cookies! lol
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> Unlike most ninconpoops on the FU, I am extremely
> grateful to the Clifton parents for their
> relentless pursuit of the TRUTH.
>
> WE ALL BENEFIT FROM THEIR HARD WORK.
>
> Jack Dale and this School Board think the law does
> not apply to them.
>
> For goodness sake, READ THESE EMAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> A SB member-AN ELECTED OFFICIAL-asks a simple
> question:
>
> "How many middle schools have geometry classes?"
>
> Simple right---what is so damn controversial about
> this?????
>
> Why do they have to black out the answer under
> executive privilege??
>
> Talk about dysfunctional government. Is this the
> crap they do all day?
Whine, Whine, Whine. Now get home and make me some cookies! lol
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Wine,wine,wine
()
Date: May 05, 2011 06:36PM
We love wine here in Clifton. Why don't you have a glass and calm the fuck down.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Clfton trolls FU
()
Date: May 05, 2011 09:59PM
kudos to Clifton Wrote:
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> Unlike most ninconpoops on the FU, I am extremely
> grateful to the Clifton parents for their
> relentless pursuit of the TRUTH.
You're a fucking idiot. Go away NOW!
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> Unlike most ninconpoops on the FU, I am extremely
> grateful to the Clifton parents for their
> relentless pursuit of the TRUTH.
You're a fucking idiot. Go away NOW!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
is this useful to the thread?
()
Date: May 06, 2011 09:17AM
Name calling is not a form of argument taught in FCPS. You must not have been educated in FCPS.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
GShock
()
Date: May 06, 2011 01:00PM
Now that the Annadale boundary study is about to be released, would any veterans of the SW boundary study have any advice/suggestions/things to look out for? Any particular tactics that were effective, either by the school board or parents?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To:GShock
()
Date: May 06, 2011 02:18PM
Don't waste your time with the SB.
I only wish we had come out with our guns fully loaded when we first started. We were too nice and did not wish to turnover the FCPS apple cart. Boy were we wrong. It is too late now. We are all now moving on and looking towards a great next year at our new schools. :)
Good luck to you.
I only wish we had come out with our guns fully loaded when we first started. We were too nice and did not wish to turnover the FCPS apple cart. Boy were we wrong. It is too late now. We are all now moving on and looking towards a great next year at our new schools. :)
Good luck to you.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Spotter
()
Date: May 06, 2011 02:44PM
interesting change that was kept under the radar; seems like some of their efforts hit close to home
a lot of scrambling to make changes that weren't there before
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/8GDHRK49BF25/$file/P1710.pdf
Meetings of School Board advisory committees are subject to the Virginia Freedom of Information Act (the Act) and must be open to the public, unless the meeting subject is one which is exempt from the open meeting requirement of the Act. All advisory committee members, who participate in the meeting, are to be physically present at the site of public meeting. Notice of advisory committee meetings will be furnished to the public at least three working days in advance, while agenda packets for advisory committee meetings shall be available for inspection by the public at the same time as such are made available to committee members. Open meetings of advisory committees may be recorded by the public, provided such does not interfere with the conduct of the meeting. Because the business of School Board Advisory committees is to be conducted at meetings where the advisory committee members are physically assembled, committee members are not authorized to discuss or transact committee business electronically or by conference telephone call, unless such is limited to two committee members.
a lot of scrambling to make changes that weren't there before
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/8GDHRK49BF25/$file/P1710.pdf
Meetings of School Board advisory committees are subject to the Virginia Freedom of Information Act (the Act) and must be open to the public, unless the meeting subject is one which is exempt from the open meeting requirement of the Act. All advisory committee members, who participate in the meeting, are to be physically present at the site of public meeting. Notice of advisory committee meetings will be furnished to the public at least three working days in advance, while agenda packets for advisory committee meetings shall be available for inspection by the public at the same time as such are made available to committee members. Open meetings of advisory committees may be recorded by the public, provided such does not interfere with the conduct of the meeting. Because the business of School Board Advisory committees is to be conducted at meetings where the advisory committee members are physically assembled, committee members are not authorized to discuss or transact committee business electronically or by conference telephone call, unless such is limited to two committee members.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
another victory
()
Date: May 06, 2011 04:58PM
Woops-I guess FCPS wasn't really following those guidelines all these years.
These advisory panels are garbage anyways.
School Board members pick friends of theirs who will tow the party line and not do or say anything that would be critical of the politboro.
We don't need the Cassie Eatmons and Ted Velkoffs of the world speaking on behalf of Smith or Bradsher.
These committees are a JOKE.
These advisory panels are garbage anyways.
School Board members pick friends of theirs who will tow the party line and not do or say anything that would be critical of the politboro.
We don't need the Cassie Eatmons and Ted Velkoffs of the world speaking on behalf of Smith or Bradsher.
These committees are a JOKE.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
mmoore
()
Date: May 08, 2011 01:27PM
another victory Wrote:
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> Woops-I guess FCPS wasn't really following those
> guidelines all these years.
>
> These advisory panels are garbage anyways.
>
> School Board members pick friends of theirs who
> will tow the party line and not do or say anything
> that would be critical of the politboro.
>
> We don't need the Cassie Eatmons and Ted Velkoffs
> of the world speaking on behalf of Smith or
> Bradsher.
>
> These committees are a JOKE.
+1000 The committees are also administration reinforcements. Layers upon layers of job safety.
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> Woops-I guess FCPS wasn't really following those
> guidelines all these years.
>
> These advisory panels are garbage anyways.
>
> School Board members pick friends of theirs who
> will tow the party line and not do or say anything
> that would be critical of the politboro.
>
> We don't need the Cassie Eatmons and Ted Velkoffs
> of the world speaking on behalf of Smith or
> Bradsher.
>
> These committees are a JOKE.
+1000 The committees are also administration reinforcements. Layers upon layers of job safety.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
start a new thread
()
Date: May 08, 2011 07:08PM
Shouldn't a new thread be started? This is old
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
not Kilton
()
Date: May 11, 2011 12:57PM
start a new thread Wrote:
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> Shouldn't a new thread be started? This is old
No need to. CES will be shutdown shortly, as it should be, and this issue will soon die out.
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> Shouldn't a new thread be started? This is old
No need to. CES will be shutdown shortly, as it should be, and this issue will soon die out.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I agree and I live in Clifton
()
Date: May 11, 2011 01:18PM
We are all getting ready to transition to our new schools.
I am sad Clifton is closing but I am ready to move forward.
I guess the only thing others need to worry about is the high school lines being redrawn.
All the HS seem fine to me in our area.
I am sad Clifton is closing but I am ready to move forward.
I guess the only thing others need to worry about is the high school lines being redrawn.
All the HS seem fine to me in our area.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
HaHaHaHa
()
Date: May 13, 2011 08:12AM
Annandale boundary released. One option to move Wakefiled Forest from BOTH Woodson and Annandale to Lake Braddock on the table. Smooth Move! HaHaHaHa. Told Woodson/Lake Braddock to be on the look out. LOL
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Kick in the ass
()
Date: May 14, 2011 10:28PM
I am going to laugh when those that wanted Clifton to close see what the SB has for their HS.
We are lucky. We can afford private HS.
We are lucky. We can afford private HS.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LoveIt!
()
Date: May 15, 2011 07:18AM
HaHaHaHa Wrote:
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> Annandale boundary released. One option to move
> Wakefiled Forest from BOTH Woodson and Annandale
> to Lake Braddock on the table. Smooth Move!
> HaHaHaHa. Told Woodson/Lake Braddock to be on the
> look out. LOL
+1
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> Annandale boundary released. One option to move
> Wakefiled Forest from BOTH Woodson and Annandale
> to Lake Braddock on the table. Smooth Move!
> HaHaHaHa. Told Woodson/Lake Braddock to be on the
> look out. LOL
+1
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Confused and Dazed
()
Date: May 15, 2011 05:39PM
HaHaHaHa Wrote:
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> Annandale boundary released. One option to move
> Wakefiled Forest from BOTH Woodson and Annandale
> to Lake Braddock on the table. Smooth Move!
> HaHaHaHa. Told Woodson/Lake Braddock to be on the
> look out. LOL
Nutty.
If you move the WF kids from Poe/Annandale to Frost/Woodson, you increase the serious over-crowding at Frost.
If you move the WF kids from both Poe/Annandale and Frost/Woodson to Lake Braddock, you go against everything the School Board said back in 2008 about the "optimal size" of middle and high schools.
It's very hard to believe we pay these people to talk so fast and furiously out of both sides of their mouths.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Annandale boundary released. One option to move
> Wakefiled Forest from BOTH Woodson and Annandale
> to Lake Braddock on the table. Smooth Move!
> HaHaHaHa. Told Woodson/Lake Braddock to be on the
> look out. LOL
Nutty.
If you move the WF kids from Poe/Annandale to Frost/Woodson, you increase the serious over-crowding at Frost.
If you move the WF kids from both Poe/Annandale and Frost/Woodson to Lake Braddock, you go against everything the School Board said back in 2008 about the "optimal size" of middle and high schools.
It's very hard to believe we pay these people to talk so fast and furiously out of both sides of their mouths.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Tisdadt's_Folly
()
Date: May 15, 2011 05:43PM
Confused and Dazed Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> HaHaHaHa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Annandale boundary released. One option to move
> > Wakefiled Forest from BOTH Woodson and
> Annandale
> > to Lake Braddock on the table. Smooth Move!
> > HaHaHaHa. Told Woodson/Lake Braddock to be on
> the
> > look out. LOL
>
> Nutty.
>
> If you move the WF kids from Poe/Annandale to
> Frost/Woodson, you increase the serious
> over-crowding at Frost.
>
> If you move the WF kids from both Poe/Annandale
> and Frost/Woodson to Lake Braddock, you go against
> everything the School Board said back in 2008
> about the "optimal size" of middle and high
> schools.
>
> It's very hard to believe we pay these people to
> talk so fast and furiously out of both sides of
> their mouths.
And the ESOL % at the new Lacey ES will be between 74% and 86% depending upon what option is chosen.
How many parents will send their kids to a school with such a high ESOL %?
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> HaHaHaHa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Annandale boundary released. One option to move
> > Wakefiled Forest from BOTH Woodson and
> Annandale
> > to Lake Braddock on the table. Smooth Move!
> > HaHaHaHa. Told Woodson/Lake Braddock to be on
> the
> > look out. LOL
>
> Nutty.
>
> If you move the WF kids from Poe/Annandale to
> Frost/Woodson, you increase the serious
> over-crowding at Frost.
>
> If you move the WF kids from both Poe/Annandale
> and Frost/Woodson to Lake Braddock, you go against
> everything the School Board said back in 2008
> about the "optimal size" of middle and high
> schools.
>
> It's very hard to believe we pay these people to
> talk so fast and furiously out of both sides of
> their mouths.
And the ESOL % at the new Lacey ES will be between 74% and 86% depending upon what option is chosen.
How many parents will send their kids to a school with such a high ESOL %?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Really?
()
Date: May 22, 2011 12:36AM
Really?
http://ww2.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=3476
School Board
-At-Large (three seats) -- Incumbents Tina Hone and James Raney are not seeking re-election. Candidates include one incumbent, Ilryong Moon, and challengers Maria Allen, Greg Brandon, Lisa Fagan, Charisse Espy Glassman, Lolita Mancheno-Smoak, Ryan McElveen and Ted Velkoff.
-Braddock -- Incumbent Judith "Tessie" Wilson is not seeking re-election. No candidates have announced.
-Dranesville -- Incumbent, Jane Strauss; challenger, Louise Epstein
-Hunter Mill -- Incumbent Stuart Gibson is not seeking re-election. Nancy Linton is the only declared candidate for the seat.
-Lee -- Tamara Derenak Kaufax
-Mason -- Incumbent, Sandra Evans
-Mount Vernon -- Incumbent, Daniel Storck; challenger, Michelle Nellenbach
-Providence -- Incumbent, Patricia Reed
-Springfield -- Incumbent, Elizabeth Bradsher; challenger, Elizabeth Schultz
-Sully -- Incumbent, Kathy Smith
http://ww2.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=3476
School Board
-At-Large (three seats) -- Incumbents Tina Hone and James Raney are not seeking re-election. Candidates include one incumbent, Ilryong Moon, and challengers Maria Allen, Greg Brandon, Lisa Fagan, Charisse Espy Glassman, Lolita Mancheno-Smoak, Ryan McElveen and Ted Velkoff.
-Braddock -- Incumbent Judith "Tessie" Wilson is not seeking re-election. No candidates have announced.
-Dranesville -- Incumbent, Jane Strauss; challenger, Louise Epstein
-Hunter Mill -- Incumbent Stuart Gibson is not seeking re-election. Nancy Linton is the only declared candidate for the seat.
-Lee -- Tamara Derenak Kaufax
-Mason -- Incumbent, Sandra Evans
-Mount Vernon -- Incumbent, Daniel Storck; challenger, Michelle Nellenbach
-Providence -- Incumbent, Patricia Reed
-Springfield -- Incumbent, Elizabeth Bradsher; challenger, Elizabeth Schultz
-Sully -- Incumbent, Kathy Smith
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LizBradsher_Relection_WTF
()
Date: May 22, 2011 08:45AM
Really? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Really?
>
>
> http://ww2.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=3476
>
> School Board
>
> -Springfield -- Incumbent, Elizabeth Bradsher;
> challenger, Elizabeth Schultz
I thought Liz was unable to get endorsed as a Democrat? Is she running as an independent?
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> Really?
>
>
> http://ww2.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=3476
>
> School Board
>
> -Springfield -- Incumbent, Elizabeth Bradsher;
> challenger, Elizabeth Schultz
I thought Liz was unable to get endorsed as a Democrat? Is she running as an independent?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: May 22, 2011 09:09AM
I think she's running as an Asshole............................
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
re-election
()
Date: May 22, 2011 10:09AM
She's going to take full credit for opening the So Co Middle School, and try to ride that glory into a re-election. Will it work? Are there more people in So Co who will fall for that and vote for her, or more people in Clifton and Burke who hate her for playig favorites and overcrowding their schools?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: May 24, 2011 01:03AM
Really? Wrote:
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> -At-Large (three seats) -- Incumbents Tina Hone and James Raney are not seeking re-election. Candidates include one incumbent, Ilryong Moon, and challengers Maria Allen, Greg Brandon, Lisa Fagan, Charisse Espy Glassman, Lolita Mancheno-Smoak, Ryan McElveen and Ted Velkoff.<
Tomorrow night (5/24) FCDC will chose 3 among Brandon, Glassman, Allen, Mcelveen, Moon & Velkoff. FCDC will also act on the magisterial recommendations.
Lolita Mancheno-Smoak & Lisa Fagan will run with the FCRC endorsement.
> -Braddock -- Incumbent Judith "Tessie" Wilson is not seeking re-election. No candidates have announced.<
Meaghan McLaughlin has the BDDC recommendation. No word on a FCRC endorsee.
> -Dranesville -- Incumbent, Jane Strauss, has the recommendation of DDDC; challenger, Louise Epstein is seeking the endorsement of FCRC.<
> -Hunter Mill -- Incumbent Stuart Gibson is not seeking re-election. HMDDC has recommend Pat Hynes. Nancy Linton is seeking the FCRC endorsement.
> -Lee -- Tamara Derenak Kaufax has the LDDC recommendation. No word on who is seeking the FCRC endorsement.
> -Mason -- Incumbent, Sandra Evans has the MDDC recommendation. No word on who is seeking the FCRC endorsement.
> -Mount Vernon -- Incumbent, Daniel Storck has the MVDDC recommendation.
Michelle Nellenbach is seeking the FCRC endorsement.
> -Providence -- Incumbent, Patricia Reed, will get the FCRC endorsement. No PDDC recommendation.
> -Springfield -- Incumbent, Elizabeth Bradsher will not receive either FCDC nor FCRC endorsement, doubt she will seek re-election as an independent; Elizabeth Schultz will receive the FCRC endorsement; No word on the SDDC recommendation.
> -Sully -- Incumbent, Kathy Smith has the SDDC recommendation. No word on who is seeking the FCRC endorsement.
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> -At-Large (three seats) -- Incumbents Tina Hone and James Raney are not seeking re-election. Candidates include one incumbent, Ilryong Moon, and challengers Maria Allen, Greg Brandon, Lisa Fagan, Charisse Espy Glassman, Lolita Mancheno-Smoak, Ryan McElveen and Ted Velkoff.<
Tomorrow night (5/24) FCDC will chose 3 among Brandon, Glassman, Allen, Mcelveen, Moon & Velkoff. FCDC will also act on the magisterial recommendations.
Lolita Mancheno-Smoak & Lisa Fagan will run with the FCRC endorsement.
> -Braddock -- Incumbent Judith "Tessie" Wilson is not seeking re-election. No candidates have announced.<
Meaghan McLaughlin has the BDDC recommendation. No word on a FCRC endorsee.
> -Dranesville -- Incumbent, Jane Strauss, has the recommendation of DDDC; challenger, Louise Epstein is seeking the endorsement of FCRC.<
> -Hunter Mill -- Incumbent Stuart Gibson is not seeking re-election. HMDDC has recommend Pat Hynes. Nancy Linton is seeking the FCRC endorsement.
> -Lee -- Tamara Derenak Kaufax has the LDDC recommendation. No word on who is seeking the FCRC endorsement.
> -Mason -- Incumbent, Sandra Evans has the MDDC recommendation. No word on who is seeking the FCRC endorsement.
> -Mount Vernon -- Incumbent, Daniel Storck has the MVDDC recommendation.
Michelle Nellenbach is seeking the FCRC endorsement.
> -Providence -- Incumbent, Patricia Reed, will get the FCRC endorsement. No PDDC recommendation.
> -Springfield -- Incumbent, Elizabeth Bradsher will not receive either FCDC nor FCRC endorsement, doubt she will seek re-election as an independent; Elizabeth Schultz will receive the FCRC endorsement; No word on the SDDC recommendation.
> -Sully -- Incumbent, Kathy Smith has the SDDC recommendation. No word on who is seeking the FCRC endorsement.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Supervisor Pat Herrity
()
Date: May 25, 2011 10:53AM
From Supervisor Pat Herrity's Newsletter:
The proposed Fall 2012 School Bond Referendum came before the Board for approval at the Tuesday (5/24/2011) Board of Supervisor's meeting. Below are my comments on the referendum.
"Let me start by saying that I fully support the School Bond referendum.
That said, I can't let pass without comment several items in the proposed School Bond Referendum that again point to the need for transparency and accountability by the school system.
First, I note that there are at least three items in the bond package - capacity enhancements at Fairfax Villa ES, Greenbriar East ES and Union Mill ES - that are mostly the result of the closing of Clifton ES.
During the hearings on the closure of Clifton one school board member said "Clifton ES has 366 students and all students can be moved to successful nearby schools without the necessity of additions or renovations."
COO Dean Tisdadt, when discussing the funding of the additions, said "we actually have a great deal of money on what we call the construction reserve," and directly from the schools web site "there will not be construction loans to fund the proposed additions".
These statements are in direct conflict with the inclusion of capacity improvements at these schools in the bond package.
They also repeatedly state "Clifton is more expensive to renovate than a normal elementary school" yet I see every one of the six elementary schools listed in the bond for renovation is well over the $11M to renovate Clifton ES.
During the process of closing Clifton ES, Springfield District residents were repeatedly promised that the closure of Clifton would accelerate the renovation of WSHS and no bond funds would be used in closing Clifton ES - that clearly is not the case.
I do not hold much hope that the school board will reverse the Clifton closure even though the bond referendum clearly shows that the third reason espoused by the school system for closing Clifton is just as false as the other two
• The well water is fine - there is no more bottled water.
• The enrollment is actually growing instead of shrinking as the school system projected, and;
• As the bond referendum clearly shows Clifton was no more expensive to renovate than the other six in this bond referendum.
As the Board knows, I have been a vocal proponent of keeping the schools Capital Improvement Program at the higher amount of $155M when it was due to shrink to $130M due to our overwhelming school construction and renovation needs.
Despite what I consider to be problems with some of the specifics in the package, I will be strongly supporting the Schools Bond Referendum."
Two of the schools listed for capacity enhancements are in the Springfield District. My office is beginning to receive requests for information on the details of these additions and the impacts on traffic. The Board supported my request for schools to provide details on these proposed additions and the projected traffic impacts on the community.
I will share the information on the schools as they provide it. We are only four months from the projected increase in students at these schools.
The proposed Fall 2012 School Bond Referendum came before the Board for approval at the Tuesday (5/24/2011) Board of Supervisor's meeting. Below are my comments on the referendum.
"Let me start by saying that I fully support the School Bond referendum.
That said, I can't let pass without comment several items in the proposed School Bond Referendum that again point to the need for transparency and accountability by the school system.
First, I note that there are at least three items in the bond package - capacity enhancements at Fairfax Villa ES, Greenbriar East ES and Union Mill ES - that are mostly the result of the closing of Clifton ES.
During the hearings on the closure of Clifton one school board member said "Clifton ES has 366 students and all students can be moved to successful nearby schools without the necessity of additions or renovations."
COO Dean Tisdadt, when discussing the funding of the additions, said "we actually have a great deal of money on what we call the construction reserve," and directly from the schools web site "there will not be construction loans to fund the proposed additions".
These statements are in direct conflict with the inclusion of capacity improvements at these schools in the bond package.
They also repeatedly state "Clifton is more expensive to renovate than a normal elementary school" yet I see every one of the six elementary schools listed in the bond for renovation is well over the $11M to renovate Clifton ES.
During the process of closing Clifton ES, Springfield District residents were repeatedly promised that the closure of Clifton would accelerate the renovation of WSHS and no bond funds would be used in closing Clifton ES - that clearly is not the case.
I do not hold much hope that the school board will reverse the Clifton closure even though the bond referendum clearly shows that the third reason espoused by the school system for closing Clifton is just as false as the other two
• The well water is fine - there is no more bottled water.
• The enrollment is actually growing instead of shrinking as the school system projected, and;
• As the bond referendum clearly shows Clifton was no more expensive to renovate than the other six in this bond referendum.
As the Board knows, I have been a vocal proponent of keeping the schools Capital Improvement Program at the higher amount of $155M when it was due to shrink to $130M due to our overwhelming school construction and renovation needs.
Despite what I consider to be problems with some of the specifics in the package, I will be strongly supporting the Schools Bond Referendum."
Two of the schools listed for capacity enhancements are in the Springfield District. My office is beginning to receive requests for information on the details of these additions and the impacts on traffic. The Board supported my request for schools to provide details on these proposed additions and the projected traffic impacts on the community.
I will share the information on the schools as they provide it. We are only four months from the projected increase in students at these schools.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Utopian
()
Date: May 25, 2011 11:13AM
Thomas More Wrote:
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> Really? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > -Braddock -- Incumbent Judith "Tessie" Wilson is
> not seeking re-election. No candidates have
> announced.<
>
> Meaghan McLaughlin has the BDDC recommendation.
> No word on a FCRC endorsee.
>
Meaghan McLaughlin was looking good for awhile... she received some great publicity by climbing aboard the Bash Dean Tisdadt train. But then she sold out to some union leaders (not their members) to promise more money for everyone in exchange for their endorsement. The BDDC meeting was a lovefest.
There is a growing group of Robinson-Lake Braddock-Woodson parents that are trying to convince Nell Hurley to run for Tessie's seat. Tessie's repeated bashing of Nell and Woodson while Nell was PTA President there make Nell very popular, along with all the issues she took on which made her no friend of the current school board and Gatehouse staff. Much of what Meaghan learned was from Nell's work. Unfortunately, Nell is republican, and that's a minority in the Braddock district.
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> Really? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > -Braddock -- Incumbent Judith "Tessie" Wilson is
> not seeking re-election. No candidates have
> announced.<
>
> Meaghan McLaughlin has the BDDC recommendation.
> No word on a FCRC endorsee.
>
Meaghan McLaughlin was looking good for awhile... she received some great publicity by climbing aboard the Bash Dean Tisdadt train. But then she sold out to some union leaders (not their members) to promise more money for everyone in exchange for their endorsement. The BDDC meeting was a lovefest.
There is a growing group of Robinson-Lake Braddock-Woodson parents that are trying to convince Nell Hurley to run for Tessie's seat. Tessie's repeated bashing of Nell and Woodson while Nell was PTA President there make Nell very popular, along with all the issues she took on which made her no friend of the current school board and Gatehouse staff. Much of what Meaghan learned was from Nell's work. Unfortunately, Nell is republican, and that's a minority in the Braddock district.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: May 25, 2011 11:19AM
http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/05/lessons-learned-first-battle-clifton
Would still love to know the real reason behind this school closure.
Would still love to know the real reason behind this school closure.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
mmoore
()
Date: May 25, 2011 05:23PM
When is someone gonna tie these together?
Where's Thomas More???
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/584948.html
Where's Thomas More???
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/584948.html
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: May 26, 2011 09:54AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/politics/clifton-fears-closing-towns-only-school-means-end-of-communitys-identity/2011/05/24/AG9IBYBH_story_1.html
“I would really love for people to understand the difficulty of that decision,” Bradsher said Wednesday. But she said the animosity and obscenity-laden hate mail directed at her have been so over the top that she is not comfortable walking down Clifton’s Main Street. She has not decided whether to run again.
Oh, puhleeze! Read this thread from the beginning and a 2 year old can figure how just how difficult this decision was for her.
She's not comfortable walking down Main St? Now that is the BEST news I've heard yet!
She hasn't decided whether or not to run again?!?!
Here's a hint, Liz. NOBODY WANTS YOU TO RUN AGAIN!!! Do Fairfax County a favor and disappear from public service. We've had enough of your mendacious and megalomaniac tendencies to last a lifetime.
“I would really love for people to understand the difficulty of that decision,” Bradsher said Wednesday. But she said the animosity and obscenity-laden hate mail directed at her have been so over the top that she is not comfortable walking down Clifton’s Main Street. She has not decided whether to run again.
Oh, puhleeze! Read this thread from the beginning and a 2 year old can figure how just how difficult this decision was for her.
She's not comfortable walking down Main St? Now that is the BEST news I've heard yet!
She hasn't decided whether or not to run again?!?!
Here's a hint, Liz. NOBODY WANTS YOU TO RUN AGAIN!!! Do Fairfax County a favor and disappear from public service. We've had enough of your mendacious and megalomaniac tendencies to last a lifetime.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I agree
()
Date: May 26, 2011 10:02AM
I am nice lady but if I ever see Liz in person I think I might spit on her. Dumb bitch better stay clear of Clifton for the rest of her life.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Grow Up *****es
()
Date: May 26, 2011 11:04AM
Clifton parents need to move on and grow up.
Their little corner of the world is part of a county. If you don't like it, secede and pay your own taxes. Whiners and crybabies.
Their little corner of the world is part of a county. If you don't like it, secede and pay your own taxes. Whiners and crybabies.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bradsher's Folly
()
Date: May 26, 2011 11:59AM
the same woman who wouldn't let 370 kids stay in school and has f'd up dozens of communities and the lives of thousands of people incl teachers' built this megalithic school for a gajillion dollars when they are only supposed to have
864 kids in 5 yrs and they have room for 914 now
some nerve
http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:107:5839825462882506::::P0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID:422
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/dashboard/10-11dashboard.html
http://lorton.patch.com/announcements/south-county-middle-school-update-whats-next
If you drive by the middle school construction site on Laurel Crest Drive, you’ll see construction of the middle school is moving forward with brick and mortar. The school will have the same footprint as Glasgow Middle School and will have an open courtyard at the center. Construction of the school is expected to be complete by the end of this year, however after hearing from faculty, staff, and the community, the School Board has agreed with all parties for a September 2012 opening. There was considerable discussion, at a community meeting in November, of the pros and cons of opening a school mid-year versus in September. Faculty and staff cited many reasons the school should not open mid-year, including considerable loss of instruction time, a consequential interruption of routine, loss of continuity in the school year, and complications in boundaries for those students coming from another middle school. While there were some parents that voiced support for a midyear opening, the majority of attendees supported a September opening date.
So what happens now? According to FCPS, here is a timeline:
Spring 2011 Boundary planning process
Fall 2011 Program discussions & decisions & Principal selection
Spring 2012 School naming
Sept 2012 School opening
There have been some initial discussions regarding a boundary study. School Board representatives Dan Storck and Liz Bradsher have indicated that everyone in the current boundary will remain in the current boundary. There has been discussion to allow for an easy transition to the new school which would prevent a full blown boundary study. A simple administrative boundary adjustment could occur to add the Lorton Valley community to the boundary. An administrative boundary adjustment can occur at the discretion of a School Board member if 5% or less of the school population is affected; for South County this would allow for an additional 150 students to be moved to the new school without a traditional boundary study. FCPS has cited that this would give the school an opportunity to see the impacts of BRAC and “flight” to the new school before making any significant boundary changes. It would also allow the newly formed Citizen Advisory Boundary Task Force an opportunity to truly look at the long term implications on enrollment in the Southern part of Fairfax County.
The new middle school capacity is 1,350 supporting 10 middle school teams.
If you’d like additional information, updates are posted on
www.fcps.edu/cluster5/southcountymiddleschool
Attachments:
864 kids in 5 yrs and they have room for 914 now
some nerve
http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:107:5839825462882506::::P0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID:422
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/dashboard/10-11dashboard.html
http://lorton.patch.com/announcements/south-county-middle-school-update-whats-next
If you drive by the middle school construction site on Laurel Crest Drive, you’ll see construction of the middle school is moving forward with brick and mortar. The school will have the same footprint as Glasgow Middle School and will have an open courtyard at the center. Construction of the school is expected to be complete by the end of this year, however after hearing from faculty, staff, and the community, the School Board has agreed with all parties for a September 2012 opening. There was considerable discussion, at a community meeting in November, of the pros and cons of opening a school mid-year versus in September. Faculty and staff cited many reasons the school should not open mid-year, including considerable loss of instruction time, a consequential interruption of routine, loss of continuity in the school year, and complications in boundaries for those students coming from another middle school. While there were some parents that voiced support for a midyear opening, the majority of attendees supported a September opening date.
So what happens now? According to FCPS, here is a timeline:
Spring 2011 Boundary planning process
Fall 2011 Program discussions & decisions & Principal selection
Spring 2012 School naming
Sept 2012 School opening
There have been some initial discussions regarding a boundary study. School Board representatives Dan Storck and Liz Bradsher have indicated that everyone in the current boundary will remain in the current boundary. There has been discussion to allow for an easy transition to the new school which would prevent a full blown boundary study. A simple administrative boundary adjustment could occur to add the Lorton Valley community to the boundary. An administrative boundary adjustment can occur at the discretion of a School Board member if 5% or less of the school population is affected; for South County this would allow for an additional 150 students to be moved to the new school without a traditional boundary study. FCPS has cited that this would give the school an opportunity to see the impacts of BRAC and “flight” to the new school before making any significant boundary changes. It would also allow the newly formed Citizen Advisory Boundary Task Force an opportunity to truly look at the long term implications on enrollment in the Southern part of Fairfax County.
The new middle school capacity is 1,350 supporting 10 middle school teams.
If you’d like additional information, updates are posted on
www.fcps.edu/cluster5/southcountymiddleschool
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bradsher wannabe
()
Date: May 26, 2011 07:14PM
This is what Bradsher tried to join. And even these guys wouldn't take her.
LMAO!
http://annandale.patch.com/articles/democrats-endorse-two-school-board-candidates-without-majority-7?ncid=wtp-patch-headline
After two rounds of ballot voting and several special motions, Fairfax County Democratic Committee members endorsed Ilryong Moon, Charisse Espy Glassman and Ted Velkoff as their candidates in November’s Fairfax County School Board elections, at a Tuesday meeting that became heated when the group voted to depart from its bylaws and award two endorsements without a majority.
LMAO!
http://annandale.patch.com/articles/democrats-endorse-two-school-board-candidates-without-majority-7?ncid=wtp-patch-headline
After two rounds of ballot voting and several special motions, Fairfax County Democratic Committee members endorsed Ilryong Moon, Charisse Espy Glassman and Ted Velkoff as their candidates in November’s Fairfax County School Board elections, at a Tuesday meeting that became heated when the group voted to depart from its bylaws and award two endorsements without a majority.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LOL Nell for School Board
()
Date: May 26, 2011 09:28PM
Good luck with that one. Nell for school board in place of Tessie. Yeah, she will stand up and fight while Wakefield Forest gets sent to Lake Braddock. HaHaHa
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Nell for WHAT?!?
()
Date: May 26, 2011 10:08PM
LOL Nell for School Board Wrote:
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> Good luck with that one. Nell for school board in
> place of Tessie. Yeah, she will stand up and fight
> while Wakefield Forest gets sent to Lake Braddock.
> HaHaHa
Replace one whackadoodle with another. Suuuuure.
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> Good luck with that one. Nell for school board in
> place of Tessie. Yeah, she will stand up and fight
> while Wakefield Forest gets sent to Lake Braddock.
> HaHaHa
Replace one whackadoodle with another. Suuuuure.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Nell Hurley for School Board
()
Date: May 26, 2011 10:25PM
LOL Nell for School Board Wrote:
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> Good luck with that one. Nell for school board in
> place of Tessie. Yeah, she will stand up and fight
> while Wakefield Forest gets sent to Lake Braddock.
If Nell Hurley was on the school board now, then Wakefield Forest ES would not even be considered for a move from Frost/Woodson to Lake Braddock. Nell is leading the fight today (and warned us months ago that this was one option that staff wanted to push), but we all know how the current board and staff make their decisions long before the required public hearing charades begin.
We may lose the fight and end up being bussed to Lake Braddock, but one thing Nell will bring to the board is her expert knowledge of the numbers produced by staff and the ability to use their own data against them when their recommendations are not in line with community expectations.
We remember Tessie's promises that (1) Gatehouse II was a done deal and (2) the Woodson bus depot had to be built. The best part about this election is that Tessie is finally leaving.
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> Good luck with that one. Nell for school board in
> place of Tessie. Yeah, she will stand up and fight
> while Wakefield Forest gets sent to Lake Braddock.
If Nell Hurley was on the school board now, then Wakefield Forest ES would not even be considered for a move from Frost/Woodson to Lake Braddock. Nell is leading the fight today (and warned us months ago that this was one option that staff wanted to push), but we all know how the current board and staff make their decisions long before the required public hearing charades begin.
We may lose the fight and end up being bussed to Lake Braddock, but one thing Nell will bring to the board is her expert knowledge of the numbers produced by staff and the ability to use their own data against them when their recommendations are not in line with community expectations.
We remember Tessie's promises that (1) Gatehouse II was a done deal and (2) the Woodson bus depot had to be built. The best part about this election is that Tessie is finally leaving.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Grossed Out Granny
()
Date: May 26, 2011 10:38PM
http://www.sungazette.net/articles/2011/05/23/fairfax/news/fe80f2.txt
Reader Comments
The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the view of Sun Gazette Newspapers. Total Comments: 3 comment(s)
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David Hill wrote on May 26, 2011 7:17 PM:
" Ms. Bradsher, You have no credibility and not too many people care what you think anymore. November can't get here fast enough. When you want to criticize for not having facts straight, you should try to do the same. Here are just a few areas you missed.
1. You led the argument that Clifton was too costly at a sum of $11M to renovate for the low head count of 366 students. However, Garfield Elementary apparently isn't too costly. They have a head count of 332 students and are getting a total sum of $14,158,193. Unless my math skills are sub par, that looks to be a bit more costly for a smaller school.
2. Are you really going to try to say the the $13,686,696 that is going to the 3 schools the Clifton kids are being re-located to has nothing to do with the closing of CES? Good luck selling that one.
3. CES radio active well water. Oops, you missed on that one as well.
Strike 3, your out. I will give you credit for at least using your real name on your post.
Another fact, for future reference, if you ever find yourself testifying in court again and are asked that tricky question "How many school board members are there", the answer is 12. It is truly sad you did not know the answer the last time you found yourself in that position. "
Grossed Out Granny wrote on May 26, 2011 5:59 PM:
" Lizzie Lizzie Lizzie:
Is THIS the truth?
"Supervisor Herrity's comments about schools requiring renovations due to the admittance of Clfton students is incorrect. The system is not renovating any schools due to changes in the Clifton boundary. Only one school will be receiving a brick and motor addition in his district and this is due to a boundary changes for students other than those living in Clifton. Another school will be receiving minor interior modifications over the summer."
OR is THIS the truth?
Since Clifton is not near the areas of overcrowding, the capacity at Clifton cannot contribute to solving the issue. Additionally, the schools adjacent to Clifton ES have sufficient capacity to accommodate additional students from the school.
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/faq.pdf
OR is THIS the truth?
"Clifton Elementary School has 366 students and all students can be moved to successful nearby schools without the necessity of additions or renovations." Bradsher
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2343
OR is THIS the truth?
"There will not be construction loans to fund the proposed additions."
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/faq.pdf
OR is THIS the truth?
http://bit.ly/imxEM5
Walking - you - away - is what will benefit all of us. The two way street you need to travel on is away from public service. Forever. "
Elizabeth Bradsher wrote on May 18, 2011 11:53 AM:
" As the School Board member for the Springfield District I remain very pleased the Supervisors approved the 2011 Bond Referendum for our county's schools. However Supervisor Herrity's comments about schools requiring renovations due to the admittance of Clfton students is incorrect. The system is not renovating any schools due to changes in the Clifton boundary. Only one school will be receiving a brick and motor addition in his district and this is due to a boundary changes for students other than those living in Clifton. Another school will be receiving minor interior modifications over the summer. I would argue that "Transparency is a two way street" and it starts with getting the facts correct for the public.
Per Supervisor McKay's comments, I agree we do need more walkers. The system as well as our county needs to address the need for walking paths to our schools. It will benefit all of us. "
Reader Comments
The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the view of Sun Gazette Newspapers. Total Comments: 3 comment(s)
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David Hill wrote on May 26, 2011 7:17 PM:
" Ms. Bradsher, You have no credibility and not too many people care what you think anymore. November can't get here fast enough. When you want to criticize for not having facts straight, you should try to do the same. Here are just a few areas you missed.
1. You led the argument that Clifton was too costly at a sum of $11M to renovate for the low head count of 366 students. However, Garfield Elementary apparently isn't too costly. They have a head count of 332 students and are getting a total sum of $14,158,193. Unless my math skills are sub par, that looks to be a bit more costly for a smaller school.
2. Are you really going to try to say the the $13,686,696 that is going to the 3 schools the Clifton kids are being re-located to has nothing to do with the closing of CES? Good luck selling that one.
3. CES radio active well water. Oops, you missed on that one as well.
Strike 3, your out. I will give you credit for at least using your real name on your post.
Another fact, for future reference, if you ever find yourself testifying in court again and are asked that tricky question "How many school board members are there", the answer is 12. It is truly sad you did not know the answer the last time you found yourself in that position. "
Grossed Out Granny wrote on May 26, 2011 5:59 PM:
" Lizzie Lizzie Lizzie:
Is THIS the truth?
"Supervisor Herrity's comments about schools requiring renovations due to the admittance of Clfton students is incorrect. The system is not renovating any schools due to changes in the Clifton boundary. Only one school will be receiving a brick and motor addition in his district and this is due to a boundary changes for students other than those living in Clifton. Another school will be receiving minor interior modifications over the summer."
OR is THIS the truth?
Since Clifton is not near the areas of overcrowding, the capacity at Clifton cannot contribute to solving the issue. Additionally, the schools adjacent to Clifton ES have sufficient capacity to accommodate additional students from the school.
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/faq.pdf
OR is THIS the truth?
"Clifton Elementary School has 366 students and all students can be moved to successful nearby schools without the necessity of additions or renovations." Bradsher
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=2343
OR is THIS the truth?
"There will not be construction loans to fund the proposed additions."
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/faq.pdf
OR is THIS the truth?
http://bit.ly/imxEM5
Walking - you - away - is what will benefit all of us. The two way street you need to travel on is away from public service. Forever. "
Elizabeth Bradsher wrote on May 18, 2011 11:53 AM:
" As the School Board member for the Springfield District I remain very pleased the Supervisors approved the 2011 Bond Referendum for our county's schools. However Supervisor Herrity's comments about schools requiring renovations due to the admittance of Clfton students is incorrect. The system is not renovating any schools due to changes in the Clifton boundary. Only one school will be receiving a brick and motor addition in his district and this is due to a boundary changes for students other than those living in Clifton. Another school will be receiving minor interior modifications over the summer. I would argue that "Transparency is a two way street" and it starts with getting the facts correct for the public.
Per Supervisor McKay's comments, I agree we do need more walkers. The system as well as our county needs to address the need for walking paths to our schools. It will benefit all of us. "
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
pat herrity
()
Date: May 27, 2011 08:02AM
What the hell did Pat Herrity do to help save Clifton Elem? Nothing, because he is a supporter of the renovations at WSHS. Oh, sure, he attended all of the Clifton Community meetings, but does anyone have any examples of how he tried to keep the school open?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Pat on the back
()
Date: May 27, 2011 04:37PM
[Liz, you never learn]
Without any effort, this:
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/springfield/pdf_files/herrity_report/swb_study.pdf
and this:
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/Public
Testimony of Supervisor Pat Herrity
Clifton Elementary School Public Hearing
June 28, 2010
Chairman Smith and members of the School Board, my name is Pat Herrity and I am the Springfield District Supervisor and a resident of Little Rocky Run.
Thank you for the opportunity to speak before you again tonight. I apologize for not having prepared remarks, I left my family at the Outer Banks early this morning to get back here to testify and I did not have time to copy my remarks. I will send them to you tomorrow.
Tonight I am here to speak on behalf of many of my constituents and to respectfully request that you keep Clifton Elementary School open. I am not going repeat many of the arguments you have heard tonight but I want to discuss a possible solution.
I believe one option and perhaps the best option is to defer renovation and not close Clifton Elementary, something you have heard tonight from parents of the Clifton community. Clifton does not need an immediate full scale renovation.
Keeping Clifton ES open and deferring renovation would be beneficial for four major reasons and could be a win-win solution for the entire county:
1) It allows the Clifton community to keep their community school
2) It puts $11 million back into the CIP, allowing schools throughout the county that are in dire need of renovation to move up on the CIP. A win-win for Clifton and school communities throughout the entire county.
3) Per today’s letter from Virginia’s Department of Historic Resources, it gives us time to explore the potential use of creative partnerships and historic rehabilitation tax credits to rehabilitate school buildings for continued educational use.
4) It keeps options open for the future – most importantly for future expansion to address the overcrowding or some form of renovation
The study to close Clifton ES was included with a Southwestern Boundary study and those capacity issues have yet to be addressed. The initial recommendation was to build at the Liberty MS site and close Clifton ES. I ask you to please consider the very real and serious challenges posed by the Liberty Middle School site.
1) Traffic from the four current schools plus the proposed new school on two lane Union Mill Road
2) The location is not near the overpopulated schools
3) There are serious health and cost issues with naturally occurring asbestos at the site
4) Cost
And if these issues can’t be overcome and you can’t build a new school at Liberty, what will happen to children at Clifton? Won’t the kids be sent to three or four different elementary schools? At no time in the last 20 years has Fairfax County closed an elementary school and broken school population into three or four different elementary schools. It’s not right to do it now to the Clifton community; especially when there is an option on the table that keeps Clifton ES open AND puts $11 million back into the CIP. So let me make recent school closing history a fifth major reason to keep the school open and a key difference from the Graham Road closing.
Again I ask that you please consider deferring renovation on Clifton ES and keeping it open because it is the solution that is in the best interest of:
•The students
•The Clifton community
•And the entire county because it accelerates the CIP
Clifton is a community school and the parents are willing to forgo a full renovation in order to save this school. There are options on the table that work for Clifton, the school system and this School Board – let’s take the time to find them. Please keep this school open. Thank you.
Without any effort, this:
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/springfield/pdf_files/herrity_report/swb_study.pdf
and this:
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/Public
Testimony of Supervisor Pat Herrity
Clifton Elementary School Public Hearing
June 28, 2010
Chairman Smith and members of the School Board, my name is Pat Herrity and I am the Springfield District Supervisor and a resident of Little Rocky Run.
Thank you for the opportunity to speak before you again tonight. I apologize for not having prepared remarks, I left my family at the Outer Banks early this morning to get back here to testify and I did not have time to copy my remarks. I will send them to you tomorrow.
Tonight I am here to speak on behalf of many of my constituents and to respectfully request that you keep Clifton Elementary School open. I am not going repeat many of the arguments you have heard tonight but I want to discuss a possible solution.
I believe one option and perhaps the best option is to defer renovation and not close Clifton Elementary, something you have heard tonight from parents of the Clifton community. Clifton does not need an immediate full scale renovation.
Keeping Clifton ES open and deferring renovation would be beneficial for four major reasons and could be a win-win solution for the entire county:
1) It allows the Clifton community to keep their community school
2) It puts $11 million back into the CIP, allowing schools throughout the county that are in dire need of renovation to move up on the CIP. A win-win for Clifton and school communities throughout the entire county.
3) Per today’s letter from Virginia’s Department of Historic Resources, it gives us time to explore the potential use of creative partnerships and historic rehabilitation tax credits to rehabilitate school buildings for continued educational use.
4) It keeps options open for the future – most importantly for future expansion to address the overcrowding or some form of renovation
The study to close Clifton ES was included with a Southwestern Boundary study and those capacity issues have yet to be addressed. The initial recommendation was to build at the Liberty MS site and close Clifton ES. I ask you to please consider the very real and serious challenges posed by the Liberty Middle School site.
1) Traffic from the four current schools plus the proposed new school on two lane Union Mill Road
2) The location is not near the overpopulated schools
3) There are serious health and cost issues with naturally occurring asbestos at the site
4) Cost
And if these issues can’t be overcome and you can’t build a new school at Liberty, what will happen to children at Clifton? Won’t the kids be sent to three or four different elementary schools? At no time in the last 20 years has Fairfax County closed an elementary school and broken school population into three or four different elementary schools. It’s not right to do it now to the Clifton community; especially when there is an option on the table that keeps Clifton ES open AND puts $11 million back into the CIP. So let me make recent school closing history a fifth major reason to keep the school open and a key difference from the Graham Road closing.
Again I ask that you please consider deferring renovation on Clifton ES and keeping it open because it is the solution that is in the best interest of:
•The students
•The Clifton community
•And the entire county because it accelerates the CIP
Clifton is a community school and the parents are willing to forgo a full renovation in order to save this school. There are options on the table that work for Clifton, the school system and this School Board – let’s take the time to find them. Please keep this school open. Thank you.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
no pat on the back
()
Date: May 28, 2011 06:21AM
Wow, so Pat Herrity spoke at the school board meeting, so did a lot of people. What ACTIONS did he actually take as an elected official?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SCB=Hypocrite!
()
Date: May 29, 2011 12:45PM
great job, Rob. thanx for calling it like it is.
can't believe she is still trying to justify this total bs.
fcps, jack dale + this whole school board need the ig office to come do a colonoscopy to get rid of all the *hit they're full of.
liz, you are a pathological liar.
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Rob Jones wrote on May 27, 2011 9:50 AM:
" I would actually be happy if Liz just admitted that she lied to those of us in the Clifton Elementary School attendance area. How did she lie you might ask?
1) She told us that if we were able to find ways to get the renovation costs to between $10-$12 million she would work to get us renovated. FCPS data showed options that would provide a renovation to the school for figures within that range. Based on the evidence shown in her emails that are visible to all due to FOIA, she was working counter to this point and therefore lied to us.
2) "Water, water, water" was said over and over by Liz at meetings with community members as well as the PTA. "You figure out the water issue and you will be good." Hey Liz, the water issue has been resolved thanks to FCPS doing as another state agency has been saying for years. Oh, that radioactive third well which isn't even hooked up to the school water supply but would have been a back-up if ever needed....amazing how the fix for that issue which was also noted by a citizen group actually worked. Interesting to see that Dean decided not to tell anyone until the night of the meeting, during the meeting. Nice job "working for those you represent" there. Again, your actions don't connect with what you said.
3) And this one tops it all. Liz ran for her seat on the School Board in support of community schools noting how critical it is to attend school with those in your local area. Liz went against that campaign promise by closing a community school. She represents Springfield District and no other part of the county. And yes, Springfield District DOES INCLUDE areas outside of South County. Did anyone notice that 3 of the most vocal individuals in the process associated with Clifton were the at-large members who really represent the whole of Fairfax County? I, and many in Springfield District, believe as she stated in a media interview that she "represents the interests of FCPS" and not her constituents (outside of South County). Again, she says one thing and does something completely different.
Liz always said stick with facts and data. Well Liz, the above are facts that are backed by data provided by you and FCPS. "
http://www.sungazette.net/articles/2011/05/23/fairfax/news/fe80f2.txt
can't believe she is still trying to justify this total bs.
fcps, jack dale + this whole school board need the ig office to come do a colonoscopy to get rid of all the *hit they're full of.
liz, you are a pathological liar.
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Rob Jones wrote on May 27, 2011 9:50 AM:
" I would actually be happy if Liz just admitted that she lied to those of us in the Clifton Elementary School attendance area. How did she lie you might ask?
1) She told us that if we were able to find ways to get the renovation costs to between $10-$12 million she would work to get us renovated. FCPS data showed options that would provide a renovation to the school for figures within that range. Based on the evidence shown in her emails that are visible to all due to FOIA, she was working counter to this point and therefore lied to us.
2) "Water, water, water" was said over and over by Liz at meetings with community members as well as the PTA. "You figure out the water issue and you will be good." Hey Liz, the water issue has been resolved thanks to FCPS doing as another state agency has been saying for years. Oh, that radioactive third well which isn't even hooked up to the school water supply but would have been a back-up if ever needed....amazing how the fix for that issue which was also noted by a citizen group actually worked. Interesting to see that Dean decided not to tell anyone until the night of the meeting, during the meeting. Nice job "working for those you represent" there. Again, your actions don't connect with what you said.
3) And this one tops it all. Liz ran for her seat on the School Board in support of community schools noting how critical it is to attend school with those in your local area. Liz went against that campaign promise by closing a community school. She represents Springfield District and no other part of the county. And yes, Springfield District DOES INCLUDE areas outside of South County. Did anyone notice that 3 of the most vocal individuals in the process associated with Clifton were the at-large members who really represent the whole of Fairfax County? I, and many in Springfield District, believe as she stated in a media interview that she "represents the interests of FCPS" and not her constituents (outside of South County). Again, she says one thing and does something completely different.
Liz always said stick with facts and data. Well Liz, the above are facts that are backed by data provided by you and FCPS. "
http://www.sungazette.net/articles/2011/05/23/fairfax/news/fe80f2.txt
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Lied to LRR too
()
Date: May 30, 2011 01:46AM
Hey, what happened?
Is she a piece of work or what?
Why not work as hard for anything else - does Bradsher have some anti-Clifton complex?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/24/AR2008032402364.html
"I don't want to be ungrateful," said Fairfax County School Board member Elizabeth T. Bradsher (Springfield). "I appreciate their offer. But if you have this amount of money for a wing, why won't you go all the way and work toward resolving the problem in its entirety?"
Griffin said the county can't afford a new middle school, which officials said could cost $35 million to $40 million if built soon. Instead, he offered to recommend that county supervisors approve $10 million over two years to fund the expansion. The deal is subject to approval from the School Board and the
Board of Supervisors.
"I can't fix their problem for them, but I can help them in the short term," Griffin said. He added that he was looking for creative ways to ease crowding, in response to queries from supervisors.
Officials said Griffin's proposal was unusual because it would circumvent the usual process for planning and funding school construction. But as the former Lorton prison and the area around it developed, many residents have lobbied to expedite school construction. Their cause has drawn support from
supervisors, state lawmakers, members of Congress and at least one congressional candidate.
Dean Tistadt, the school system's chief operating officer, said he was "pleasantly surprised" by Griffin's offer and called it an "elegant solution to a complicated problem." He said he plans to recommend that
the School Board accept it.
Tistadt said the expansion could be completed as early as the 2010-11 school year. That would eliminate the need for a change in South County Secondary's attendance zone, which Tistadt said would otherwise be necessary next year. In the aftermath of a widely unpopular boundary change just approved in
western Fairfax, School Board members might find that appealing."
Is she a piece of work or what?
Why not work as hard for anything else - does Bradsher have some anti-Clifton complex?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/24/AR2008032402364.html
"I don't want to be ungrateful," said Fairfax County School Board member Elizabeth T. Bradsher (Springfield). "I appreciate their offer. But if you have this amount of money for a wing, why won't you go all the way and work toward resolving the problem in its entirety?"
Griffin said the county can't afford a new middle school, which officials said could cost $35 million to $40 million if built soon. Instead, he offered to recommend that county supervisors approve $10 million over two years to fund the expansion. The deal is subject to approval from the School Board and the
Board of Supervisors.
"I can't fix their problem for them, but I can help them in the short term," Griffin said. He added that he was looking for creative ways to ease crowding, in response to queries from supervisors.
Officials said Griffin's proposal was unusual because it would circumvent the usual process for planning and funding school construction. But as the former Lorton prison and the area around it developed, many residents have lobbied to expedite school construction. Their cause has drawn support from
supervisors, state lawmakers, members of Congress and at least one congressional candidate.
Dean Tistadt, the school system's chief operating officer, said he was "pleasantly surprised" by Griffin's offer and called it an "elegant solution to a complicated problem." He said he plans to recommend that
the School Board accept it.
Tistadt said the expansion could be completed as early as the 2010-11 school year. That would eliminate the need for a change in South County Secondary's attendance zone, which Tistadt said would otherwise be necessary next year. In the aftermath of a widely unpopular boundary change just approved in
western Fairfax, School Board members might find that appealing."
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: May 30, 2011 09:33AM
Liz's entire time on FCSB has been characterized by her view that one set of rules applies for her friends and cronies and another set of rules applies for everyone else. Since her friends aren't in Clifton, Clifton got the "regular Liz" rather than the "special Liz" treatment. Unfortunately, we're all paying the price tag for the stupid decisions that she's championed.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
redistricting veteran
()
Date: May 30, 2011 10:30AM
I am told that Liz made it very clear to a Chantilly parent during the West County redistricting (South Lakes, Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton and Madison) that while she sympathized with Chantilly parents, that her goal was to get South County Middle School built and that she had to "watch her politics"--that she could do nothing to jeopardize that goal.
She was brand new to the Board then. I was surprised that she would be so open about it.
It is ironic that she supported Stu--but that Stu did not support the middle school. However, I am sure if his vote would have made the difference that he would have.
It is also ironic that South Lakes is now adding a modular.
She was brand new to the Board then. I was surprised that she would be so open about it.
It is ironic that she supported Stu--but that Stu did not support the middle school. However, I am sure if his vote would have made the difference that he would have.
It is also ironic that South Lakes is now adding a modular.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WestfieldDad
()
Date: May 30, 2011 10:40PM
redistricting veteran Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It is ironic that she supported Stu--but that Stu
> did not support the middle school. However, I am
> sure if his vote would have made the difference
> that he would have.
>
> It is also ironic that South Lakes is now adding a
> modular.
Ironic is the wrong word. Overcapacity at South Lakes was predicted based on Staff's own numbers. Tisdadt/the SB refused to believe them/pretended to not believe them when they didn't support their plans.
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> It is ironic that she supported Stu--but that Stu
> did not support the middle school. However, I am
> sure if his vote would have made the difference
> that he would have.
>
> It is also ironic that South Lakes is now adding a
> modular.
Ironic is the wrong word. Overcapacity at South Lakes was predicted based on Staff's own numbers. Tisdadt/the SB refused to believe them/pretended to not believe them when they didn't support their plans.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: May 31, 2011 08:47AM
WestfieldDad Wrote:
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> redistricting veteran Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > It is ironic that she supported Stu--but that Stu did not support the middle school. However, I am sure if his vote would have made the difference that he would have. It is also ironic that South Lakes is now adding a modular.< <
> Ironic is the wrong word. Overcapacity at South Lakes was predicted based on Staff's own numbers. Tisdadt/the SB refused to believe them/pretended to not believe them when they didn't support their plans.<
There was no need to transfer the kids from Floris into South Lakes. The numbers proved it then & we know it now. There will be more trailers as South Lakes soon.
-------------------------------------------------------
> redistricting veteran Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > It is ironic that she supported Stu--but that Stu did not support the middle school. However, I am sure if his vote would have made the difference that he would have. It is also ironic that South Lakes is now adding a modular.< <
> Ironic is the wrong word. Overcapacity at South Lakes was predicted based on Staff's own numbers. Tisdadt/the SB refused to believe them/pretended to not believe them when they didn't support their plans.<
There was no need to transfer the kids from Floris into South Lakes. The numbers proved it then & we know it now. There will be more trailers as South Lakes soon.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Cub Runner
()
Date: May 31, 2011 10:17AM
Westfield was, and remains, over-capacity. Something needed to be done to relieve the overcrowding there.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
answer to cubrunner
()
Date: May 31, 2011 10:43AM
Cubrunner,
You may feel that 2800 is too many for Westfield, but, nevertheless, a wing was added to Westfield which increased its capacity to over 3100. This was done shortly before the redistricting, which begs the question: "What was the School Board thinking?"
Shortly after this wing was added the SB said that the optimum size of a FCPS high school is 2000--and that that policy had been in effect for years!
This was to justify the redistricting.
I personally think that 3000 is too many for a high school--but I also believe that communities and schools suffer with redistricting. Chantilly's population was declining before the Navy students were moved. SB also said then that Oakton would be underpopulated without those students (this has proven to be untrue).
Anyone who reads this forum knows that the SB changes rules to justify its political actions.
You may feel that 2800 is too many for Westfield, but, nevertheless, a wing was added to Westfield which increased its capacity to over 3100. This was done shortly before the redistricting, which begs the question: "What was the School Board thinking?"
Shortly after this wing was added the SB said that the optimum size of a FCPS high school is 2000--and that that policy had been in effect for years!
This was to justify the redistricting.
I personally think that 3000 is too many for a high school--but I also believe that communities and schools suffer with redistricting. Chantilly's population was declining before the Navy students were moved. SB also said then that Oakton would be underpopulated without those students (this has proven to be untrue).
Anyone who reads this forum knows that the SB changes rules to justify its political actions.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
One huge HS
()
Date: May 31, 2011 01:08PM
Pretty soon the Fairfax SB will vote for having one giant HS.
It will be run like a prison and the kids will be fed in cells during lunch period.
It will be run like a prison and the kids will be fed in cells during lunch period.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
redistricting veteran
()
Date: May 31, 2011 03:40PM
From Reston Patch:
"Almost all schools on the western side of the county are over capacity due to greater than expected growth," South Lakes principal Bruce Butler said in an email. "Herndon is at 108 percent capacity, Madison is at 98 percent capacity, Marshall 103 percent, Chantilly 102 percent, Oakton 108 percent, SLHS and Westfield are both at 101 percent. So we all have more students that predicted several years ago. The trailers will provide us some additional instructional space."
Interesting that a handful of Navy kids had to leave Oakton because Oakton would be underpopulated......
I don't understand how they get these percentages. Westfield clearly has more space than indicated.
"Almost all schools on the western side of the county are over capacity due to greater than expected growth," South Lakes principal Bruce Butler said in an email. "Herndon is at 108 percent capacity, Madison is at 98 percent capacity, Marshall 103 percent, Chantilly 102 percent, Oakton 108 percent, SLHS and Westfield are both at 101 percent. So we all have more students that predicted several years ago. The trailers will provide us some additional instructional space."
Interesting that a handful of Navy kids had to leave Oakton because Oakton would be underpopulated......
I don't understand how they get these percentages. Westfield clearly has more space than indicated.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WestfieldDad
()
Date: May 31, 2011 06:40PM
redistricting veteran Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> From Reston Patch:
> "Almost all schools on the western side of the
> county are over capacity due to greater than
> expected growth," South Lakes principal Bruce
> Butler said in an email. "Herndon is at 108
> percent capacity, Madison is at 98 percent
> capacity, Marshall 103 percent, Chantilly 102
> percent, Oakton 108 percent, SLHS and Westfield
> are both at 101 percent.
>>> So we all have more
> students that predicted several years ago. The
> trailers will provide us some additional
> instructional space."
>
This is a lie. SLHS and Westfield are just about exactly where they were predicted by CAPs using Staff's own numbers.
And, into the future, for South Lakes, Staff's numbers were stupid low. Staff's numbers assumed no additional Reston kids would stay if they added 300 upper middle class Floris/Fox Mill kids per grade. The entire RD was predicated on raising test scores/changing the SES of the place - the headline numbers for "school quality."
Assume you raise HS average SATs by 150 or more points. Assume you change the low SES from 30% to 15%. Any chance a bunch of the missing couple hundred high SES kids per grade from the Reston elementary schools might end up staying?
Idiots.
>
> I don't understand how they get these percentages.
> Westfield clearly has more space than indicated.
It's easy. Right after the redistricting, Staff redid HS capacities county-wide. rather than the 3100 seat school Fairfax taxpayers paid for, the official capacity became 2795. So, instead of being 250 or so under capacity, Westfield is about 50 over capacity. Magic of running your own numbers.
The new methodology makes some sense - adding classrooms doesn't expand hallways, gyms, etc. Might have been nice if Staff had figured something out as obvious as that out before they got us to spend the money to expand the place.
-------------------------------------------------------
> From Reston Patch:
> "Almost all schools on the western side of the
> county are over capacity due to greater than
> expected growth," South Lakes principal Bruce
> Butler said in an email. "Herndon is at 108
> percent capacity, Madison is at 98 percent
> capacity, Marshall 103 percent, Chantilly 102
> percent, Oakton 108 percent, SLHS and Westfield
> are both at 101 percent.
>>> So we all have more
> students that predicted several years ago. The
> trailers will provide us some additional
> instructional space."
>
This is a lie. SLHS and Westfield are just about exactly where they were predicted by CAPs using Staff's own numbers.
And, into the future, for South Lakes, Staff's numbers were stupid low. Staff's numbers assumed no additional Reston kids would stay if they added 300 upper middle class Floris/Fox Mill kids per grade. The entire RD was predicated on raising test scores/changing the SES of the place - the headline numbers for "school quality."
Assume you raise HS average SATs by 150 or more points. Assume you change the low SES from 30% to 15%. Any chance a bunch of the missing couple hundred high SES kids per grade from the Reston elementary schools might end up staying?
Idiots.
>
> I don't understand how they get these percentages.
> Westfield clearly has more space than indicated.
It's easy. Right after the redistricting, Staff redid HS capacities county-wide. rather than the 3100 seat school Fairfax taxpayers paid for, the official capacity became 2795. So, instead of being 250 or so under capacity, Westfield is about 50 over capacity. Magic of running your own numbers.
The new methodology makes some sense - adding classrooms doesn't expand hallways, gyms, etc. Might have been nice if Staff had figured something out as obvious as that out before they got us to spend the money to expand the place.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: June 02, 2011 10:44PM
Keep this woman from being re-elected.
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=351453&paper=72&cat=104
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=351453&paper=72&cat=104
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Barftastic News
()
Date: June 03, 2011 07:09AM
So she "frankly" doesn't think she needs an endorsement to win an at-large seat?
Why do people always use that word when they are dissembling? She can't get an endorsement, and she can't get re-elected. She's political toast, and seh might as well admit it.
And what's with the weird reference to things happening in her "personal life" that she has to attend to? If it's her personal life, keep it out of the press. More narcissism from Liz. Yech.
Why do people always use that word when they are dissembling? She can't get an endorsement, and she can't get re-elected. She's political toast, and seh might as well admit it.
And what's with the weird reference to things happening in her "personal life" that she has to attend to? If it's her personal life, keep it out of the press. More narcissism from Liz. Yech.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
BanBradsher
()
Date: June 03, 2011 08:24AM
Barftastic News Wrote:
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> So she "frankly" doesn't think she needs an
> endorsement to win an at-large seat?
>
> Why do people always use that word when they are
> dissembling? She can't get an endorsement, and
> she can't get re-elected. She's political toast,
> and seh might as well admit it.
Exactly.
What's the best way to get word beyond Springfield District that Liz should be kept out of (any) office?
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> So she "frankly" doesn't think she needs an
> endorsement to win an at-large seat?
>
> Why do people always use that word when they are
> dissembling? She can't get an endorsement, and
> she can't get re-elected. She's political toast,
> and seh might as well admit it.
Exactly.
What's the best way to get word beyond Springfield District that Liz should be kept out of (any) office?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Rock The Vote
()
Date: June 03, 2011 10:38AM
Let's send one of those mobile billboard trucks around the county with this, though she probably still wouldn't get it.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz's Love Letter
()
Date: June 03, 2011 11:29AM
Seriously? Seriously? This was written by a sitting politician?
Your mommy & daddy weren't 'nice' to me?
What the hell? Patronizing much?
Lady, you weren't elected Student Government Representative in Junior High School.
You aren't fit to run a bake sale, nevermind billions in taxpayer dollars.
November can't get here soon enough.
Dear [student name],
I know you are upset but my decision was not bad, a lot of people worked hard to determine what would be best for you and your friends. Clifton ES will be closing in a few weeks. A new school will be waiting for you and your friends in the fall. This school will be safe and have a fire safety system, a newer cafeteria, interesting rooms, a media center, better parking for teachers and parents and it will be full of new friends and old friends.
Your parents have written to me too and unfortunately they have not been too nice to me. But I believe that they are upset and don’t really understand the reasons why your school is closing. Next fall is a new beginning, a time of excitement and new experiences.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
Your mommy & daddy weren't 'nice' to me?
What the hell? Patronizing much?
Lady, you weren't elected Student Government Representative in Junior High School.
You aren't fit to run a bake sale, nevermind billions in taxpayer dollars.
November can't get here soon enough.
Dear [student name],
I know you are upset but my decision was not bad, a lot of people worked hard to determine what would be best for you and your friends. Clifton ES will be closing in a few weeks. A new school will be waiting for you and your friends in the fall. This school will be safe and have a fire safety system, a newer cafeteria, interesting rooms, a media center, better parking for teachers and parents and it will be full of new friends and old friends.
Your parents have written to me too and unfortunately they have not been too nice to me. But I believe that they are upset and don’t really understand the reasons why your school is closing. Next fall is a new beginning, a time of excitement and new experiences.
Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
are you serious?
()
Date: June 03, 2011 11:35AM
To Liz's Love Letter
Did she really write that? When? Can you post the letter the child wrote to her? Was this an email?
I thought she was pretty bad--but this is incredible. "Better parking"--I know my kids would have been thrilled with that!
Did she really write that? When? Can you post the letter the child wrote to her? Was this an email?
I thought she was pretty bad--but this is incredible. "Better parking"--I know my kids would have been thrilled with that!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Ut videam
()
Date: June 03, 2011 12:02PM
Absolutely incredible if true.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz's Love Letter
()
Date: June 03, 2011 12:02PM
are you serious? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> To Liz's Love Letter
>
> Did she really write that? When? Can you post
> the letter the child wrote to her? Was this an
> email?
>
> I thought she was pretty bad--but this is
> incredible. "Better parking"--I know my kids
> would have been thrilled with that!
Yup - nasty woman Bradsher wrote above in response to an elementary age child's letter:
YOU made a VERY bad decision! you know if you shut down this awesome, great, learning, thoughtful Elementary school life is going to be BAD! You do NOT know how much this school means to me! I've been thinking about it since the whole school "shut down" thing started. And B.T.W. my name is [student's name]. I am [age] years old. Ok so back to the shutting down the school thing. So how would U feel if I made a crazy speech saying "I do not care if an [age] year old person is trying not to shut down the school!" and remember, you are pretending to be me so you feel sad and mad that the school is going to shut down. Think of the children and the parents. PLEASE be on my side and do not shut the school down?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE? I BEG YOU!!!!
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> To Liz's Love Letter
>
> Did she really write that? When? Can you post
> the letter the child wrote to her? Was this an
> email?
>
> I thought she was pretty bad--but this is
> incredible. "Better parking"--I know my kids
> would have been thrilled with that!
Yup - nasty woman Bradsher wrote above in response to an elementary age child's letter:
YOU made a VERY bad decision! you know if you shut down this awesome, great, learning, thoughtful Elementary school life is going to be BAD! You do NOT know how much this school means to me! I've been thinking about it since the whole school "shut down" thing started. And B.T.W. my name is [student's name]. I am [age] years old. Ok so back to the shutting down the school thing. So how would U feel if I made a crazy speech saying "I do not care if an [age] year old person is trying not to shut down the school!" and remember, you are pretending to be me so you feel sad and mad that the school is going to shut down. Think of the children and the parents. PLEASE be on my side and do not shut the school down?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE? I BEG YOU!!!!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Ut videam
()
Date: June 03, 2011 12:04PM
I take it this was an email exchange?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Is the letter for real?
()
Date: June 03, 2011 12:05PM
Is Liz's Love Letter something that she really sent to a student?
(sigh) Why won't she just shut up? Or go away? Or both?
(sigh) Why won't she just shut up? Or go away? Or both?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Better parking?
()
Date: June 03, 2011 12:41PM
Union Mill has no room for cars now. Liz needs to STFU!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz's Love Letter
()
Date: June 03, 2011 01:08PM
Ut videam Wrote:
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> I take it this was an email exchange?
Yes. Can you imagine an elected politician telling a child his/her parents "haven't been too nice to me"?
She must have been the less than popular girl in junior high and hasn't ever gotten over it.
Great quality to have in elected official.
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> I take it this was an email exchange?
Yes. Can you imagine an elected politician telling a child his/her parents "haven't been too nice to me"?
She must have been the less than popular girl in junior high and hasn't ever gotten over it.
Great quality to have in elected official.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: June 03, 2011 01:36PM
She talks about parking in that note? Hey Liz, here is a news flash...ever driven by Fairview on a day where many parents visit the school? They park along 123 and Burke Center Parkway and walk to the school. These are 4 lane divided highways with speed limits of 40 mph or higher. Don't tell Clifton children they will be safer than they are today exiting their cars at Clifton Elementary. Better / safer parking...you are insane!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Document Jockey
()
Date: June 03, 2011 01:40PM
"I am still weighing my options." "I don't think I need an endorsement frankly," said Bradsher.
"Elizabeth Schultz, a Clifton resident who led efforts to keep the school open, has filed to run for School Board in the Springfield District.
It is unlikely that Bradsher would win the party's endorsement for School Board this year, especially if she is facing Schultz"
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=351453&paper=81&cat=104
**With at least 1,061 new elementary kids in the county just since the beginning of the year, Bradsher is 'weighing her options' after crafting Clifton's closure and the loss of almost 400 elementary seats?**
http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:42:459499046250021::NO::P42_SCHOOL_YEAR,P42_CLUSTER_ID,P42_DIVISION_ID,P42_SCHOOL_ID:201011,1,DIVISION,
I don't think so.
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"Elizabeth Schultz, a Clifton resident who led efforts to keep the school open, has filed to run for School Board in the Springfield District.
It is unlikely that Bradsher would win the party's endorsement for School Board this year, especially if she is facing Schultz"
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=351453&paper=81&cat=104
**With at least 1,061 new elementary kids in the county just since the beginning of the year, Bradsher is 'weighing her options' after crafting Clifton's closure and the loss of almost 400 elementary seats?**
http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:42:459499046250021::NO::P42_SCHOOL_YEAR,P42_CLUSTER_ID,P42_DIVISION_ID,P42_SCHOOL_ID:201011,1,DIVISION,
I don't think so.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
See and Believe
()
Date: June 03, 2011 02:25PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> She talks about parking in that note? Hey Liz,
> here is a news flash...ever driven by Fairview on
> a day where many parents visit the school? They
> park along 123 and Burke Center Parkway and walk
> to the school. These are 4 lane divided highways
> with speed limits of 40 mph or higher. Don't tell
> Clifton children they will be safer than they are
> today exiting their cars at Clifton Elementary.
> Better / safer parking...you are insane!
Please tell me the difference here? Can the School Board explain how going from a 1953 school to a 1939 school built when Franklin D. Roosevelt was President is justifiable?
If a 1953 school was too old to renovate, what's the point of a 1939 school?
1953 school in the middle of a kind of rural area.
1939 school at a major intersection of Route 123 and Burke Center Parkway.
Cram more kids into the 1939 school?
Both have been renovated in the past, so what's the School Board's problem.
They are stupid people to say this is an improvement for either set of students. This is a lose-lose.
Attachments:
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> She talks about parking in that note? Hey Liz,
> here is a news flash...ever driven by Fairview on
> a day where many parents visit the school? They
> park along 123 and Burke Center Parkway and walk
> to the school. These are 4 lane divided highways
> with speed limits of 40 mph or higher. Don't tell
> Clifton children they will be safer than they are
> today exiting their cars at Clifton Elementary.
> Better / safer parking...you are insane!
Please tell me the difference here? Can the School Board explain how going from a 1953 school to a 1939 school built when Franklin D. Roosevelt was President is justifiable?
If a 1953 school was too old to renovate, what's the point of a 1939 school?
1953 school in the middle of a kind of rural area.
1939 school at a major intersection of Route 123 and Burke Center Parkway.
Cram more kids into the 1939 school?
Both have been renovated in the past, so what's the School Board's problem.
They are stupid people to say this is an improvement for either set of students. This is a lose-lose.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Ut videam
()
Date: June 03, 2011 02:37PM
Liz's Love Letter Wrote:
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> Ut videam Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I take it this was an email exchange?
>
>
> Yes. Can you imagine an elected politician telling
> a child his/her parents "haven't been too nice to
> me"?
>
> She must have been the less than popular girl in
> junior high and hasn't ever gotten over it.
>
> Great quality to have in elected official.
I agree that the email was incredibly unprofessional. But just to play devil's advocate for a second... was the student's email sent from an email account belonging to one of his/her parents? If it was, perhaps Ms. Bradsher thought the email was actually from the parents and responded in kind.
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> Ut videam Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I take it this was an email exchange?
>
>
> Yes. Can you imagine an elected politician telling
> a child his/her parents "haven't been too nice to
> me"?
>
> She must have been the less than popular girl in
> junior high and hasn't ever gotten over it.
>
> Great quality to have in elected official.
I agree that the email was incredibly unprofessional. But just to play devil's advocate for a second... was the student's email sent from an email account belonging to one of his/her parents? If it was, perhaps Ms. Bradsher thought the email was actually from the parents and responded in kind.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
First & Last
()
Date: June 03, 2011 04:42PM
Ut videam Wrote:
> If it was, perhaps Ms. Bradsher thought
> the email was actually from the parents and
> responded in kind.
First: Devil's Advocate? Good one - would have to be in this case.
Second: Dear [student's name] + your parents "have not been too nice to me" are a pretty clear indication she knew she was writing to a kid.
Third: The First is so funny, read it again.
> If it was, perhaps Ms. Bradsher thought
> the email was actually from the parents and
> responded in kind.
First: Devil's Advocate? Good one - would have to be in this case.
Second: Dear [student's name] + your parents "have not been too nice to me" are a pretty clear indication she knew she was writing to a kid.
Third: The First is so funny, read it again.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
politician
()
Date: June 04, 2011 06:23PM
they're all alike
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: June 04, 2011 10:07PM
reader Wrote:
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> Kathy said:
>
> I got it and didn't even read before recycling -
> why in the world would he insert himself so
> strongly into the issue?. My take on this is that
> the only people who care/are upset are Clifton
> parents (they sound very entitled) and the rest of
> your constituency either doesn't give a damn or
> applauds the belt tightening. Also, there was a
> long letter to the editor in the local paper
> yesterday from a Rob Jones; I bet it's the husband
> of my former almost-behind-me neighbor, who moved
> to a gorgeous home several years ago. Believe me,
> if he's really hot and bothered, he can afford to
> send his kids to private school.
>
> Comment:
> So the Chairman of the School Board can't be
> bothered to read a newsletter from a member of the
> Board of Supervisors who gives the board the money
> for the budget?
>
> And, a "wealthy" taxpayer doesn't deserve for his
> child to go to a public school in his own
> neighborhood?
>
> It seems to me that there is a lot of pettiness
> here. If you are familiar with the South Lakes
> redistricting it went on then, too. Except for
> Great Falls, they are exempt from "pettiness."
I actually know the Rob Jones that wrote the letter to the editor and Mrs. Smith, by no means would I consider him to be the wealthy individual you reference - at least not wealthy by Fairfax County standards (it is clearly a different person). Just as your last name is quite common, so too is that name. Perhaps in the future you might actually check your facts before you slander people. Oh wait, you get all of your facts from Dean and crew, forgot that. Disregard the checking facts comment.
The letter to the editor clearly struck a chord with you as well as Liz B. Truth hurts doesn't it?
Oh, and it is nice to know that the real goals and objectives of the FCPS Board are coming forward in these e-mails. "Wealthy families should send their children to private school and all we at FCPS care about is getting all those tax dollars from them. Who cares if their children receive a public education or not."
I find the actions of the board to be clearly discriminatory. Close a majority white school with over 360 students in it with a renovation cost of about $11M yet push forward with renovating a majority Asian school with under 340 students in it at a cost of over $14M. Very interesting. Shows me yet again how this decision had nothing to do with facts or economics and everything to do with personal attacks. There is a part of me that hopes Liz runs for an at-large seat on the School Board and wins so she can squirm as the newly elected members call her bluff on every "personal and emotional" issue that comes up.
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> Kathy said:
>
> I got it and didn't even read before recycling -
> why in the world would he insert himself so
> strongly into the issue?. My take on this is that
> the only people who care/are upset are Clifton
> parents (they sound very entitled) and the rest of
> your constituency either doesn't give a damn or
> applauds the belt tightening. Also, there was a
> long letter to the editor in the local paper
> yesterday from a Rob Jones; I bet it's the husband
> of my former almost-behind-me neighbor, who moved
> to a gorgeous home several years ago. Believe me,
> if he's really hot and bothered, he can afford to
> send his kids to private school.
>
> Comment:
> So the Chairman of the School Board can't be
> bothered to read a newsletter from a member of the
> Board of Supervisors who gives the board the money
> for the budget?
>
> And, a "wealthy" taxpayer doesn't deserve for his
> child to go to a public school in his own
> neighborhood?
>
> It seems to me that there is a lot of pettiness
> here. If you are familiar with the South Lakes
> redistricting it went on then, too. Except for
> Great Falls, they are exempt from "pettiness."
I actually know the Rob Jones that wrote the letter to the editor and Mrs. Smith, by no means would I consider him to be the wealthy individual you reference - at least not wealthy by Fairfax County standards (it is clearly a different person). Just as your last name is quite common, so too is that name. Perhaps in the future you might actually check your facts before you slander people. Oh wait, you get all of your facts from Dean and crew, forgot that. Disregard the checking facts comment.
The letter to the editor clearly struck a chord with you as well as Liz B. Truth hurts doesn't it?
Oh, and it is nice to know that the real goals and objectives of the FCPS Board are coming forward in these e-mails. "Wealthy families should send their children to private school and all we at FCPS care about is getting all those tax dollars from them. Who cares if their children receive a public education or not."
I find the actions of the board to be clearly discriminatory. Close a majority white school with over 360 students in it with a renovation cost of about $11M yet push forward with renovating a majority Asian school with under 340 students in it at a cost of over $14M. Very interesting. Shows me yet again how this decision had nothing to do with facts or economics and everything to do with personal attacks. There is a part of me that hopes Liz runs for an at-large seat on the School Board and wins so she can squirm as the newly elected members call her bluff on every "personal and emotional" issue that comes up.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FCPS=FCBS
()
Date: June 07, 2011 12:34AM
Searching web on the subject and I came acrosss this on another site. Interesting comment about that fact that we could have had FDK a long time ago and if they wanted to, why didn't they?
I don't think Liz Bradsher lifted a finger to help anyone but Liz Bradsher.
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/90/157003.page#1585074
Anonymous
janie strauss
kathy smith
dan storck
liz bradsher
ilyrong moon
all have had a long time to deliver full day kindergarten and chose to come through months before the election?
when they said they didn't have any money?
they have threatened everything under the sun - sports, arts, music, fees, teacher pay - and without the board of supervisors agreeing to be bled dry, they miraculouly came up with money on a flat transfer?
none, zilch, zero of the above should be voted in again. or anyone they support or stu gibson, tessie wilson, brad center or fcps supports.
send them all packing. time for folks that will listen to voters and taxpayers.
I don't think Liz Bradsher lifted a finger to help anyone but Liz Bradsher.
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/90/157003.page#1585074
Anonymous
janie strauss
kathy smith
dan storck
liz bradsher
ilyrong moon
all have had a long time to deliver full day kindergarten and chose to come through months before the election?
when they said they didn't have any money?
they have threatened everything under the sun - sports, arts, music, fees, teacher pay - and without the board of supervisors agreeing to be bled dry, they miraculouly came up with money on a flat transfer?
none, zilch, zero of the above should be voted in again. or anyone they support or stu gibson, tessie wilson, brad center or fcps supports.
send them all packing. time for folks that will listen to voters and taxpayers.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
You aren't serious, right?
()
Date: June 07, 2011 01:07AM
Um.Uh.Not sure where to even think to begin.
Liz Bradsher's replacement?
West Springfield HS's doomed.
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Liz Bradsher's replacement?
West Springfield HS's doomed.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 07, 2011 12:18PM
"careful review of the documents...."
Maybe he should have reviewed his bio?!? Spelling and basic grammar should be the 1st requirements for anyone seeking a position on the FCSB.
I think I'll stick with Elizabeth Schultz for School Board and believe in better!
Maybe he should have reviewed his bio?!? Spelling and basic grammar should be the 1st requirements for anyone seeking a position on the FCSB.
I think I'll stick with Elizabeth Schultz for School Board and believe in better!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: June 07, 2011 08:02PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
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> "careful review of the documents...."
Are you unfamiliar with a gerund?
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> "careful review of the documents...."
Are you unfamiliar with a gerund?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 07, 2011 09:41PM
I am familiar with a gerund and don't have a problem with any of the gerunds he used. What I do take exception with is errors such as:
"I been involved in budgeting..."
AND
"extenively"
I have been involved would be acceptable, or I've been involved. "I been involved..." is not acceptable.
Simple spelling and typos are also not acceptable when preparing material for public consumption.
I quoted his statement, "careful review of the documents", because I find it ironic that his own bio contains simple mistakes that my 5th grader would have found with a quick glance.
"I been involved in budgeting..."
AND
"extenively"
I have been involved would be acceptable, or I've been involved. "I been involved..." is not acceptable.
Simple spelling and typos are also not acceptable when preparing material for public consumption.
I quoted his statement, "careful review of the documents", because I find it ironic that his own bio contains simple mistakes that my 5th grader would have found with a quick glance.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: June 07, 2011 09:48PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
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> I am familiar with a gerund and don't have a
> problem with any of the gerunds he used. What I
> do take exception with is errors such as:
>
> "I been involved in budgeting..."
>
> AND
>
> "extenively"
>
> I have been involved would be acceptable, or I've
> been involved. "I been involved..." is not
> acceptable.
>
> Simple spelling and typos are also not acceptable
> when preparing material for public consumption.
>
> I quoted his statement, "careful review of the
> documents", because I find it ironic that his own
> bio contains simple mistakes that my 5th grader
> would have found with a quick glance.
Thanks for clearing that up. I would never have known what your beef was otherwise.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I am familiar with a gerund and don't have a
> problem with any of the gerunds he used. What I
> do take exception with is errors such as:
>
> "I been involved in budgeting..."
>
> AND
>
> "extenively"
>
> I have been involved would be acceptable, or I've
> been involved. "I been involved..." is not
> acceptable.
>
> Simple spelling and typos are also not acceptable
> when preparing material for public consumption.
>
> I quoted his statement, "careful review of the
> documents", because I find it ironic that his own
> bio contains simple mistakes that my 5th grader
> would have found with a quick glance.
Thanks for clearing that up. I would never have known what your beef was otherwise.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
A+++
()
Date: June 13, 2011 08:25PM
Fairfax County Public Schools
Central Administration gives themselves an A+++ on their response to FoIAs.
FoIA response graded today as "meets/exceeds efficiency...100% the time".
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/Public
Why don't we justs let flunking students grad their own finals and prepare their own report cards, too.
A+++ on Central Admin's B.S. degree.
And that ain't Bachelor of Science, just to be clear.
Central Administration gives themselves an A+++ on their response to FoIAs.
FoIA response graded today as "meets/exceeds efficiency...100% the time".
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/Public
Why don't we justs let flunking students grad their own finals and prepare their own report cards, too.
A+++ on Central Admin's B.S. degree.
And that ain't Bachelor of Science, just to be clear.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I kid you not.
()
Date: June 13, 2011 09:33PM
You have to be kidding me....
100% of the time responding to FOIAs....
It is the criteria of EFFICIENCY that blows me away.....100% efficient.
Just another rubber stamping from the School Board. When will they learn to question FCPS staff?
100% of the time responding to FOIAs....
It is the criteria of EFFICIENCY that blows me away.....100% efficient.
Just another rubber stamping from the School Board. When will they learn to question FCPS staff?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Callz 'em as I seez 'em
()
Date: June 13, 2011 10:49PM
Parents led tonight on FCPS "magical mystery tour" of their potential new schools:
Union Mill ES
Fairview ES
Oak View ES
Ms. Bradsher:
The "you know best for our kids" perverted self-serving lies continue.
The Fairview ES cafeteria is the exact same size as Clifton's
The Fairview ES library is the exact same size as Clifton's
The Fairview ES parking, boundaried by two major roads, is a lot worse than Clifton's
The Fairview ES trailers that you said would not be built to educate kids in brick and mortar schools - they are in place.
You are a LIAR. You are a DECEIVER. You are TOAST.
Your toadies at Gatehouse too. Tistadt, Hunter, Dale.
You are nothing other than thieves, liars and general miscreants.
We are going to elect people who care. People who listen. People who will represent us.
You need to crawl back under rock.
Even typing an email with your name gives me the creepy crawlies.
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Union Mill ES
Fairview ES
Oak View ES
Ms. Bradsher:
The "you know best for our kids" perverted self-serving lies continue.
The Fairview ES cafeteria is the exact same size as Clifton's
The Fairview ES library is the exact same size as Clifton's
The Fairview ES parking, boundaried by two major roads, is a lot worse than Clifton's
The Fairview ES trailers that you said would not be built to educate kids in brick and mortar schools - they are in place.
You are a LIAR. You are a DECEIVER. You are TOAST.
Your toadies at Gatehouse too. Tistadt, Hunter, Dale.
You are nothing other than thieves, liars and general miscreants.
We are going to elect people who care. People who listen. People who will represent us.
You need to crawl back under rock.
Even typing an email with your name gives me the creepy crawlies.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Verdict
()
Date: June 14, 2011 10:26AM
Yep. You basically trade one old school for another, except that it's further away, overcrowded and outside your community.
What do Liz Bradsher's pals get? Under-enrolled Silverbrook, relatively new South County High, and brand new South County Middle that isn't even needed.
No wonder it's been so hard on her personally. That level of corruption and poor judgment would be tough on just about anyone.
What do Liz Bradsher's pals get? Under-enrolled Silverbrook, relatively new South County High, and brand new South County Middle that isn't even needed.
No wonder it's been so hard on her personally. That level of corruption and poor judgment would be tough on just about anyone.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Union Mill parent
()
Date: June 14, 2011 11:04AM
Union Mill is already overcrowded and FCPD wants to add another 100+ kids to our school.
Kids are being taught outside the classroom now in hallways filled with tables, paper copiers, and computer carts.
How is the school going to pass fire code next year without adding trailers is beyond me.
The SB lied to everyone. What a complete mess.
Kids are being taught outside the classroom now in hallways filled with tables, paper copiers, and computer carts.
How is the school going to pass fire code next year without adding trailers is beyond me.
The SB lied to everyone. What a complete mess.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Burke Baby
()
Date: June 14, 2011 11:05AM
I kid you not. Wrote:
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> You have to be kidding me....
>
> 100% of the time responding to FOIAs....
>
> It is the criteria of EFFICIENCY that blows me
> away.....100% efficient.
>
> Just another rubber stamping from the School
> Board. When will they learn to question FCPS
> staff?
if there are lawsuits with judges making them publish documents they didn't want to or were late in sending out, how are they at 100%?
is this new(er) math?
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> You have to be kidding me....
>
> 100% of the time responding to FOIAs....
>
> It is the criteria of EFFICIENCY that blows me
> away.....100% efficient.
>
> Just another rubber stamping from the School
> Board. When will they learn to question FCPS
> staff?
if there are lawsuits with judges making them publish documents they didn't want to or were late in sending out, how are they at 100%?
is this new(er) math?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
mmoore
()
Date: June 14, 2011 01:03PM
Who is really surprised?
These people are in for the rudest of all awakenings. Light a candle for them or something....
These people are in for the rudest of all awakenings. Light a candle for them or something....
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Smith MIA
()
Date: June 14, 2011 08:08PM
Apparently Bradsher isn't the only lacking in the constituent service department.
Way to, Madame Chair.
Sully pals, take out the trash November 8th.
*not November 6th (Smith's website is a tad out of date)
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Way to, Madame Chair.
Sully pals, take out the trash November 8th.
*not November 6th (Smith's website is a tad out of date)
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Document Jockey
()
Date: June 15, 2011 02:57AM
With open government you get this?
Mom + sons bullied & intimidated in a public meeting of elected state officials with constituents?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfgLu0HjxxA&feature=player_embedded
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
The nasty School Board virus is catching.
Mom + sons bullied & intimidated in a public meeting of elected state officials with constituents?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfgLu0HjxxA&feature=player_embedded
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
The nasty School Board virus is catching.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Enough Clifton Blowhards
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Date: June 15, 2011 09:23PM
Callz 'em as I seez 'em Wrote:
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> Parents led tonight on FCPS "magical mystery tour"
> of their potential new schools:
>
> Union Mill ES
> Fairview ES
> Oak View ES
>
> Ms. Bradsher:
>
> The "you know best for our kids" perverted
> self-serving lies continue.
>
> The Fairview ES cafeteria is the exact same size
> as Clifton's
> The Fairview ES library is the exact same size as
> Clifton's
> The Fairview ES parking, boundaried by two major
> roads, is a lot worse than Clifton's
> The Fairview ES trailers that you said would not
> be built to educate kids in brick and mortar
> schools - they are in place.
>
> You are a LIAR. You are a DECEIVER. You are TOAST.
>
> Your toadies at Gatehouse too. Tistadt, Hunter,
> Dale.
> You are nothing other than thieves, liars and
> general miscreants.
>
> We are going to elect people who care. People who
> listen. People who will represent us.
>
> You need to crawl back under rock.
> Even typing an email with your name gives me the
> creepy crawlies.
Why in hell don't you go back under the rock you came from. If you would put your real name in your posts you miscreant you would be sued until the cows came home. Get a life and get a grip and move on. Most folks are sick and tired of this kind of crap, and, yes, including many whom I know in Clifton!
Shut the hell up!
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> Parents led tonight on FCPS "magical mystery tour"
> of their potential new schools:
>
> Union Mill ES
> Fairview ES
> Oak View ES
>
> Ms. Bradsher:
>
> The "you know best for our kids" perverted
> self-serving lies continue.
>
> The Fairview ES cafeteria is the exact same size
> as Clifton's
> The Fairview ES library is the exact same size as
> Clifton's
> The Fairview ES parking, boundaried by two major
> roads, is a lot worse than Clifton's
> The Fairview ES trailers that you said would not
> be built to educate kids in brick and mortar
> schools - they are in place.
>
> You are a LIAR. You are a DECEIVER. You are TOAST.
>
> Your toadies at Gatehouse too. Tistadt, Hunter,
> Dale.
> You are nothing other than thieves, liars and
> general miscreants.
>
> We are going to elect people who care. People who
> listen. People who will represent us.
>
> You need to crawl back under rock.
> Even typing an email with your name gives me the
> creepy crawlies.
Why in hell don't you go back under the rock you came from. If you would put your real name in your posts you miscreant you would be sued until the cows came home. Get a life and get a grip and move on. Most folks are sick and tired of this kind of crap, and, yes, including many whom I know in Clifton!
Shut the hell up!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Keep on Talkin'
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Date: June 15, 2011 09:35PM
Enough Clifton Blowhards Wrote:
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> Why in hell don't you go back under the rock you
> came from. If you would put your real name in your
> posts you miscreant you would be sued until the
> cows came home. Get a life and get a grip and move
> on. Most folks are sick and tired of this kind of
> crap, and, yes, including many whom I know in
> Clifton!
>
> Shut the hell up!
I say keep it up. Most folks are sick and tired of the crap that Liz Bradsher and her buddies pulled off, and won't forget it until a new, better crew is installed on the School Board and at Gatehouse.
We'll move on when Liz is out of office. Not one moment sooner.
We listened to Liz BS everyone for years. It's our turn now, so you shut the bloody hell up.
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> Why in hell don't you go back under the rock you
> came from. If you would put your real name in your
> posts you miscreant you would be sued until the
> cows came home. Get a life and get a grip and move
> on. Most folks are sick and tired of this kind of
> crap, and, yes, including many whom I know in
> Clifton!
>
> Shut the hell up!
I say keep it up. Most folks are sick and tired of the crap that Liz Bradsher and her buddies pulled off, and won't forget it until a new, better crew is installed on the School Board and at Gatehouse.
We'll move on when Liz is out of office. Not one moment sooner.
We listened to Liz BS everyone for years. It's our turn now, so you shut the bloody hell up.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
really?
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Date: June 15, 2011 09:36PM
Seriously? Can you support any of your rant? (and provide your real name too, please, as well as those who are "sick and tired" in Clifton) This person made some valid points. And yours would be....?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bradsher's BS
()
Date: June 16, 2011 08:17AM
really? Wrote:
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> Seriously? Can you support any of your rant?
> (and provide your real name too, please, as well
> as those who are "sick and tired" in Clifton)
> This person made some valid points. And yours
> would be....?
I agree with 'Callz 'em as I seez 'em' , many Clifton people are sick of Bradsher's BS. If you need proof of her BS, I suggest you actually read the entries in this thread. As for using your real name, hello, this is FFU, no one uses their name. I noticed you didn't whip yours out.
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> Seriously? Can you support any of your rant?
> (and provide your real name too, please, as well
> as those who are "sick and tired" in Clifton)
> This person made some valid points. And yours
> would be....?
I agree with 'Callz 'em as I seez 'em' , many Clifton people are sick of Bradsher's BS. If you need proof of her BS, I suggest you actually read the entries in this thread. As for using your real name, hello, this is FFU, no one uses their name. I noticed you didn't whip yours out.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
freeloader
()
Date: June 16, 2011 12:00PM
I'm hoping Liz runs as an at large candidates. Probably drive the Clifton folks crazy to see her stay on the Board.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
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Date: June 16, 2011 12:11PM
freeloader Wrote:
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> I'm hoping Liz runs as an at large candidates. Probably drive the Clifton folks crazy to see her stay on the Board.<
You'll be disappointed to know that Liz announced at the 6/9 School Board meeting that she would not be back next year.
That announcement was greeted with applause from the audience.
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> I'm hoping Liz runs as an at large candidates. Probably drive the Clifton folks crazy to see her stay on the Board.<
You'll be disappointed to know that Liz announced at the 6/9 School Board meeting that she would not be back next year.
That announcement was greeted with applause from the audience.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
really?
()
Date: June 16, 2011 07:14PM
Just to be clear, I agree with 'Callz 'em as I seez 'em' too. I should have done my earlier post with a quote - someone else beat me to the response, and got in just before mine.
Seems like all the rants on here against Clifton and their attempt to make the school board act ethically have no substance. Instead, it's silly juvenile opinions like "they're stuck up" or "don't want to mix with other races". Well, hello, the over crowded schools to which they're being bussed great distances are hardly more diverse. So --- that's not it. It's so many more issues that the "anti Clifton" posters never seem to mention.
Bradsher's BS Wrote:
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> really? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Seriously? Can you support any of your rant?
> > (and provide your real name too, please, as
> well
> > as those who are "sick and tired" in Clifton)
> > This person made some valid points. And yours
> > would be....?
>
>
> I agree with 'Callz 'em as I seez 'em' , many
> Clifton people are sick of Bradsher's BS. If you
> need proof of her BS, I suggest you actually read
> the entries in this thread. As for using your
> real name, hello, this is FFU, no one uses their
> name. I noticed you didn't whip yours out.
Seems like all the rants on here against Clifton and their attempt to make the school board act ethically have no substance. Instead, it's silly juvenile opinions like "they're stuck up" or "don't want to mix with other races". Well, hello, the over crowded schools to which they're being bussed great distances are hardly more diverse. So --- that's not it. It's so many more issues that the "anti Clifton" posters never seem to mention.
Bradsher's BS Wrote:
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> really? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Seriously? Can you support any of your rant?
> > (and provide your real name too, please, as
> well
> > as those who are "sick and tired" in Clifton)
> > This person made some valid points. And yours
> > would be....?
>
>
> I agree with 'Callz 'em as I seez 'em' , many
> Clifton people are sick of Bradsher's BS. If you
> need proof of her BS, I suggest you actually read
> the entries in this thread. As for using your
> real name, hello, this is FFU, no one uses their
> name. I noticed you didn't whip yours out.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: June 19, 2011 07:03AM
Thomas More Wrote:
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> freeloader Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm hoping Liz runs as an at large candidates.
> Probably drive the Clifton folks crazy to see her
> stay on the Board.<
>
> You'll be disappointed to know that Liz announced
> at the 6/9 School Board meeting that she would not
> be back next year.
>
> That announcement was greeted with applause from
> the audience.
She's a coward. Even more evidence that she was returning a favor from Tisdadt. He found a way to get SoCo Middle built and told her to get Clifton closed. And I am certain several Board members told her the same. Thanks for mentioning this, I will have to watch the replay on the recorded version of the meeting.
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> freeloader Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm hoping Liz runs as an at large candidates.
> Probably drive the Clifton folks crazy to see her
> stay on the Board.<
>
> You'll be disappointed to know that Liz announced
> at the 6/9 School Board meeting that she would not
> be back next year.
>
> That announcement was greeted with applause from
> the audience.
She's a coward. Even more evidence that she was returning a favor from Tisdadt. He found a way to get SoCo Middle built and told her to get Clifton closed. And I am certain several Board members told her the same. Thanks for mentioning this, I will have to watch the replay on the recorded version of the meeting.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Concerned Parents
()
Date: June 19, 2011 07:20AM
According to an article in the Connection, Liz Bradsher will not run for Fairfax County School Board's Springfield District seat, BUT she may run for one of the three at-large seats.
From the article:
"I am still weighing my options. There are things going on in my private life that I have to take care of," said Bradsher in an interview.
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=351453&paper=72&cat=104
Does she have ANY sense how much she is despised by not only Springfield district residents but Fairfax County residents in general?
From the article:
"I am still weighing my options. There are things going on in my private life that I have to take care of," said Bradsher in an interview.
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=351453&paper=72&cat=104
Does she have ANY sense how much she is despised by not only Springfield district residents but Fairfax County residents in general?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bye
()
Date: June 19, 2011 07:59AM
Her house just went on the market, hopefully she is moving far, far away.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
buh bye
()
Date: June 19, 2011 08:44AM
http://franklymls.com/FX7628995
Guess there are things going on in her private life that she has to take care of.
Guess there are things going on in her private life that she has to take care of.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: June 19, 2011 08:46AM
Concerned Parents Wrote:
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> According to an article in the Connection, Liz
> Bradsher will not run for Fairfax County School
> Board's Springfield District seat, BUT she may run
> for one of the three at-large seats.
>
> From the article:
> "I am still weighing my options. There are things
> going on in my private life that I have to take
> care of," said Bradsher in an interview.
>
> http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?ar
> ticle=351453&paper=72&cat=104
>
> Does she have ANY sense how much she is despised
> by not only Springfield district residents but
> Fairfax County residents in general?
Three things:
Bradsher's 6/9 announcement came after the 6/2 Connection article.
O'Donnell is wrong you don't have belong to FCDC to get its endorsement. Janie Strauss isn't a member of FCDC and she just got endorsed. Neither were/are Gibson or Ranney and they got endorsed in 2007.
Wonder if Mr. & Mrs. Bradsher are splitting up?
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> According to an article in the Connection, Liz
> Bradsher will not run for Fairfax County School
> Board's Springfield District seat, BUT she may run
> for one of the three at-large seats.
>
> From the article:
> "I am still weighing my options. There are things
> going on in my private life that I have to take
> care of," said Bradsher in an interview.
>
> http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?ar
> ticle=351453&paper=72&cat=104
>
> Does she have ANY sense how much she is despised
> by not only Springfield district residents but
> Fairfax County residents in general?
Three things:
Bradsher's 6/9 announcement came after the 6/2 Connection article.
O'Donnell is wrong you don't have belong to FCDC to get its endorsement. Janie Strauss isn't a member of FCDC and she just got endorsed. Neither were/are Gibson or Ranney and they got endorsed in 2007.
Wonder if Mr. & Mrs. Bradsher are splitting up?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: June 19, 2011 11:28AM
buh bye Wrote:
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> http://franklymls.com/FX7628995
>
> Guess there are things going on in her private
> life that she has to take care of.
Bradsher said frequently that she and the school board did not influence or care about real estate proprty values. If the schools have no influence on property value why include a photo of the neighborhood elementary school in the photo listing of her home for sale?
I believe her personal items to care for include moving out of Springfield District perhaps to Braddock District so she can try to screw another area of the county as a Supervisor instead of on the School Board.
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> http://franklymls.com/FX7628995
>
> Guess there are things going on in her private
> life that she has to take care of.
Bradsher said frequently that she and the school board did not influence or care about real estate proprty values. If the schools have no influence on property value why include a photo of the neighborhood elementary school in the photo listing of her home for sale?
I believe her personal items to care for include moving out of Springfield District perhaps to Braddock District so she can try to screw another area of the county as a Supervisor instead of on the School Board.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
buh bye
()
Date: June 19, 2011 11:33AM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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>
> Bradsher said frequently that she and the school
> board did not influence or care about real estate
> proprty values. If the schools have no influence
> on property value why include a photo of the
> neighborhood elementary school in the photo
> listing of her home for sale?
>
> I believe her personal items to care for include
> moving out of Springfield District perhaps to
> Braddock District so she can try to screw another
> area of the county as a Supervisor instead of on
> the School Board.
Just to hazard a guess, maybe because she's a hypocrite?
If neither the Dems nor the Republicans would endorse her for even a School Board seat, how could she fare any better as a candidate for Supervisor?
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>
> Bradsher said frequently that she and the school
> board did not influence or care about real estate
> proprty values. If the schools have no influence
> on property value why include a photo of the
> neighborhood elementary school in the photo
> listing of her home for sale?
>
> I believe her personal items to care for include
> moving out of Springfield District perhaps to
> Braddock District so she can try to screw another
> area of the county as a Supervisor instead of on
> the School Board.
Just to hazard a guess, maybe because she's a hypocrite?
If neither the Dems nor the Republicans would endorse her for even a School Board seat, how could she fare any better as a candidate for Supervisor?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
run out on a rail
()
Date: June 19, 2011 02:24PM
Hopefully she's just getting out of Dodge.
Actually saw her a couple of weeks ago and she looks like she's "on the wagon". She actually looked lucid sort of . . . as much as she can.
Actually saw her a couple of weeks ago and she looks like she's "on the wagon". She actually looked lucid sort of . . . as much as she can.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LBSS - watch out
()
Date: June 19, 2011 02:54PM
Lizzy B - great lover of So Cty MS/HS - has just moved into your neck o' the woods.
Sadly, for Springfield district folks, she is still in da' hood.
Braddock caught a break.
If she thinks she is such a gift to So Cty and the deliverer of FCPS facilities, why'd she get out of Dodge?
The stank is on her and it is going to follow her no matter where she goes.
Sadly, for Springfield district folks, she is still in da' hood.
Braddock caught a break.
If she thinks she is such a gift to So Cty and the deliverer of FCPS facilities, why'd she get out of Dodge?
The stank is on her and it is going to follow her no matter where she goes.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
yummy
()
Date: June 19, 2011 05:16PM
Looking at the pictures of the house on MLS, notice the bottles of booze in her kitchen, ready for breakfast.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
This thread
()
Date: June 19, 2011 06:20PM
This thread is a prime example of the hate that is Clifton. If anyone in your little lily white fucking shithole of a town wonders why the rest of the county despises you, the hate you spew here is a part of it.
Most of us are happy your crappy little elementary school is closing and feel this is exactly what you pukes deserve. It's a shame Liz isn't running again, a lot of us would vote for here just to spite you rascist assholes.
Most of us are happy your crappy little elementary school is closing and feel this is exactly what you pukes deserve. It's a shame Liz isn't running again, a lot of us would vote for here just to spite you rascist assholes.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
stay on the current topic
()
Date: June 19, 2011 06:44PM
I am sick of the Clifton bashing. We heard you. Now STFU!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FCPS=FCBS
()
Date: June 19, 2011 07:32PM
This thread Wrote:
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> This thread is a prime example of the hate that is
> Clifton. If anyone in your little lily white
> fucking shithole of a town wonders why the rest of
> the county despises you, the hate you spew here is
> a part of it.
>
> Most of us are happy your crappy little elementary
> school is closing and feel this is exactly what
> you pukes deserve. It's a shame Liz isn't running
> again, a lot of us would vote for here just to
> spite you rascist assholes.
Liz:
You have been told, crawl back under your rock and come out when told.
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> This thread is a prime example of the hate that is
> Clifton. If anyone in your little lily white
> fucking shithole of a town wonders why the rest of
> the county despises you, the hate you spew here is
> a part of it.
>
> Most of us are happy your crappy little elementary
> school is closing and feel this is exactly what
> you pukes deserve. It's a shame Liz isn't running
> again, a lot of us would vote for here just to
> spite you rascist assholes.
Liz:
You have been told, crawl back under your rock and come out when told.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
LMAO Tonight
()
Date: June 19, 2011 08:04PM
This thread Wrote:
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> This thread is a prime example of the hate that is
> Clifton. If anyone in your little lily white
> fucking shithole of a town wonders why the rest of
> the county despises you, the hate you spew here is
> a part of it.
>
> Most of us are happy your crappy little elementary
> school is closing and feel this is exactly what
> you pukes deserve. It's a shame Liz isn't running
> again, a lot of us would vote for here just to
> spite you rascist assholes.
Thank you SO MUCH for standing up for that renowned civil rights leader, Liz Bradsher!
She truly has been an inspiration to us all. Not even a Nobel Peace Prize would adequately reward her for the tremendous courage that she has shown. Not everyone can look small children in the eye and lie to them and their parents again and again and again.
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> This thread is a prime example of the hate that is
> Clifton. If anyone in your little lily white
> fucking shithole of a town wonders why the rest of
> the county despises you, the hate you spew here is
> a part of it.
>
> Most of us are happy your crappy little elementary
> school is closing and feel this is exactly what
> you pukes deserve. It's a shame Liz isn't running
> again, a lot of us would vote for here just to
> spite you rascist assholes.
Thank you SO MUCH for standing up for that renowned civil rights leader, Liz Bradsher!
She truly has been an inspiration to us all. Not even a Nobel Peace Prize would adequately reward her for the tremendous courage that she has shown. Not everyone can look small children in the eye and lie to them and their parents again and again and again.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
This thread
()
Date: June 19, 2011 08:08PM
stay on the current topic Wrote:
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> I am sick of the Clifton bashing. We heard you.
> Now STFU!
You stfu, and if you don't like hit - simply close your browser.
That's the other thing we don't like about fou fucks. Every time you're criticized you think it is Liz. I have news for you buttercup, those of us bashing you elitist racist bastards and bitches are not Liz, or in local government.
Oh, and we can't wait to smear that Shultz wench and her family here after she gets Liz's seat on the board. Fun times to come.
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> I am sick of the Clifton bashing. We heard you.
> Now STFU!
You stfu, and if you don't like hit - simply close your browser.
That's the other thing we don't like about fou fucks. Every time you're criticized you think it is Liz. I have news for you buttercup, those of us bashing you elitist racist bastards and bitches are not Liz, or in local government.
Oh, and we can't wait to smear that Shultz wench and her family here after she gets Liz's seat on the board. Fun times to come.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Elite racist bastards?
()
Date: June 19, 2011 08:10PM
Troll.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz Bradsher OUT!
()
Date: June 19, 2011 08:22PM
Listen to this crap from her 2011 interview....
Elizabeth Bradsher on Clifton Elementary School
'This is the first time someone said 'No' to Clifton'
By Timothy Follos
January 10, 2011
http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/elizabeth-bradsher-on-clifton-elementary-school
Elizabeth Bradsher on Clifton Elementary School
'This is the first time someone said 'No' to Clifton'
By Timothy Follos
January 10, 2011
http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/elizabeth-bradsher-on-clifton-elementary-school
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 19, 2011 09:34PM
I love the folks that come on here and bash Clifton and defend Liz Bradsher. Defending Liz! That always gives me a chuckle! Liz is toast, end of story. She's already said that she won't be back next year. Good riddance. She may think she can run in another district....she is that delusional. We can only pray that she will do us all a favor and slither away quietly. Go take care of your personal life and family, Liz. Fairfax County has had quite enough of your public service, thank you very much!
As for bashing Clifton, bash away. When your words contain no truth, they are meaningless... Like Liz Bradsher's words, your words are meaningless.
As for bashing Clifton, bash away. When your words contain no truth, they are meaningless... Like Liz Bradsher's words, your words are meaningless.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Race card
()
Date: June 19, 2011 09:45PM
To pull the race card is pathetic and means you have nothing on Clifton.
I pity you.
I pity you.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz Bradsher
()
Date: June 19, 2011 09:53PM
I feel a divorce is in her near future. Karma works!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Grossed Out Granny
()
Date: June 19, 2011 10:15PM
This thread Wrote:
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> stay on the current topic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> we can't wait to smear that Shultz wench
> and her family here after she gets Liz's seat on
> the board. Fun times to come.
Lovely. Name caling and planning to smear someone in advance and their family, too?
If she steps in it like Ms. Bradsher has done, which is hardly possible for anyone, that's one thing.
To plot?
Your Grandma would be not be proud.
I read her website and like what I see.
You should have your mouth washed out with soap.
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> stay on the current topic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> we can't wait to smear that Shultz wench
> and her family here after she gets Liz's seat on
> the board. Fun times to come.
Lovely. Name caling and planning to smear someone in advance and their family, too?
If she steps in it like Ms. Bradsher has done, which is hardly possible for anyone, that's one thing.
To plot?
Your Grandma would be not be proud.
I read her website and like what I see.
You should have your mouth washed out with soap.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
She Wouldn't?
()
Date: June 19, 2011 11:37PM
http://rednova8.com/wordpress/?p=3991#comments
She’s back!!
3 Comments
Check out this article in the Connection. Liz Bradsher is planning on running for an at-large seat on the Fairfax County School Board.
She also said that she won’t be running with the GOP or with the Democrats.
“I don’t think I need an endorsement frankly.” She said.
What do you think?
annon says:
June 3, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Excellent case study for any aspiring politician. Lessons learned:
1. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you!
2. Don’t burn bridges!
3. Pride goes before a fall!
4. FOIA is a b**ch!
She’s back!!
3 Comments
Check out this article in the Connection. Liz Bradsher is planning on running for an at-large seat on the Fairfax County School Board.
She also said that she won’t be running with the GOP or with the Democrats.
“I don’t think I need an endorsement frankly.” She said.
What do you think?
annon says:
June 3, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Excellent case study for any aspiring politician. Lessons learned:
1. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you!
2. Don’t burn bridges!
3. Pride goes before a fall!
4. FOIA is a b**ch!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
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Date: June 20, 2011 02:00AM
She Wouldn't? Wrote:
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> http://rednova8.com/wordpress/?p=3991#comments
>
> She’s back!!
>
> 3 Comments
> Check out this article in the Connection. Liz
> Bradsher is planning on running for an at-large
> seat on the Fairfax County School Board.
>
> She also said that she won’t be running with the
> GOP or with the Democrats.
>
> “I don’t think I need an endorsement
> frankly.” She said.
>
> What do you think?
>
> annon says:
>
> June 3, 2011 at 12:18 pm
>
> Excellent case study for any aspiring politician.
> Lessons learned:
>
> 1. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you!
>
> 2. Don’t burn bridges!
>
> 3. Pride goes before a fall!
>
> 4. FOIA is a b**ch!
Again old news - Her statement that she wasn't coming back was made at the 6/9 School Board meeting, after this blog posting which was in response to the 6/2 Connection story.
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> http://rednova8.com/wordpress/?p=3991#comments
>
> She’s back!!
>
> 3 Comments
> Check out this article in the Connection. Liz
> Bradsher is planning on running for an at-large
> seat on the Fairfax County School Board.
>
> She also said that she won’t be running with the
> GOP or with the Democrats.
>
> “I don’t think I need an endorsement
> frankly.” She said.
>
> What do you think?
>
> annon says:
>
> June 3, 2011 at 12:18 pm
>
> Excellent case study for any aspiring politician.
> Lessons learned:
>
> 1. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you!
>
> 2. Don’t burn bridges!
>
> 3. Pride goes before a fall!
>
> 4. FOIA is a b**ch!
Again old news - Her statement that she wasn't coming back was made at the 6/9 School Board meeting, after this blog posting which was in response to the 6/2 Connection story.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
too sickened to watch the whole thing
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Date: June 20, 2011 08:24AM
Thomas More Wrote:
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> She Wouldn't? Wrote:
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> -----
> > http://rednova8.com/wordpress/?p=3991#comments
> >
> > She’s back!!
> >
> > 3 Comments
> > Check out this article in the Connection. Liz
> > Bradsher is planning on running for an at-large
> > seat on the Fairfax County School Board.
> >
> > She also said that she won’t be running with
> the
> > GOP or with the Democrats.
> >
> > “I don’t think I need an endorsement
> > frankly.” She said.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > annon says:
> >
> > June 3, 2011 at 12:18 pm
> >
> > Excellent case study for any aspiring
> politician.
> > Lessons learned:
> >
> > 1. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you!
> >
> > 2. Don’t burn bridges!
> >
> > 3. Pride goes before a fall!
> >
> > 4. FOIA is a b**ch!
>
>
> Again old news - Her statement that she wasn't
> coming back was made at the 6/9 School Board
> meeting, after this blog posting which was in
> response to the 6/2 Connection story.
Does anyone know? What timestamp in the 6/9 SB meeting does Liz say she is not returning to the school board next year?
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> She Wouldn't? Wrote:
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> -----
> > http://rednova8.com/wordpress/?p=3991#comments
> >
> > She’s back!!
> >
> > 3 Comments
> > Check out this article in the Connection. Liz
> > Bradsher is planning on running for an at-large
> > seat on the Fairfax County School Board.
> >
> > She also said that she won’t be running with
> the
> > GOP or with the Democrats.
> >
> > “I don’t think I need an endorsement
> > frankly.” She said.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > annon says:
> >
> > June 3, 2011 at 12:18 pm
> >
> > Excellent case study for any aspiring
> politician.
> > Lessons learned:
> >
> > 1. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you!
> >
> > 2. Don’t burn bridges!
> >
> > 3. Pride goes before a fall!
> >
> > 4. FOIA is a b**ch!
>
>
> Again old news - Her statement that she wasn't
> coming back was made at the 6/9 School Board
> meeting, after this blog posting which was in
> response to the 6/2 Connection story.
Does anyone know? What timestamp in the 6/9 SB meeting does Liz say she is not returning to the school board next year?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
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Date: June 20, 2011 05:00PM
too sickened to watch the whole thing Wrote:
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> Does anyone know? What timestamp in the 6/9 SB
> meeting does Liz say she is not returning to the
> school board next year?
At the 1 hour, 39 minute mark into the meeting Liz has a discussion with Dr. Dale. At the end of that discussion she states "I'm not going to be here" at about 1 hour, 39 minutes and 48 seconds. Hope that is what you were looking for.
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> Does anyone know? What timestamp in the 6/9 SB
> meeting does Liz say she is not returning to the
> school board next year?
At the 1 hour, 39 minute mark into the meeting Liz has a discussion with Dr. Dale. At the end of that discussion she states "I'm not going to be here" at about 1 hour, 39 minutes and 48 seconds. Hope that is what you were looking for.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
don't think so
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Date: June 20, 2011 05:27PM
I will have to review the tape, but it was actually that idiot Rainey who said he was not running again....the crowd burst into applause.
It was awkward.
It was awkward.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 20, 2011 05:50PM
It was awkward, but he thanked them for encouraging him not to run again! He may be ineffective as a SB member, but he's not stupid. He knows when to get out.
Liz Bradsher did say (at the time stamp justataxpayer was kind enough to look up and provide) that she's not going to be here next year. Unfortunately, you can't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. Let's hope she was telling the truth this time and is actually bright enough to know when to get out.
No need to thank me for the encouragement, Liz. It's truly my pleasure to make sure you don't serve in public office again. I'm happy to oblige!
Liz Bradsher did say (at the time stamp justataxpayer was kind enough to look up and provide) that she's not going to be here next year. Unfortunately, you can't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. Let's hope she was telling the truth this time and is actually bright enough to know when to get out.
No need to thank me for the encouragement, Liz. It's truly my pleasure to make sure you don't serve in public office again. I'm happy to oblige!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
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Date: June 20, 2011 09:11PM
There was applause when Liz announced she wouldn't be back just not as loud as when Ranney made the same announcement.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: June 20, 2011 09:48PM
I wonder what the chances are of the Clifton Charter School application being approved with threads like these. Not very good, I suspect.
Can anyone say 'self inflicted'?
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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Can anyone say 'self inflicted'?
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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dr. Fate
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Date: June 20, 2011 09:55PM
Thomas More Wrote:
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> There was applause when Liz announced she wouldn't
> be back just not as loud as when Ranney made the
> same announcement.
Hahhahahhahahhahahahaha!
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> There was applause when Liz announced she wouldn't
> be back just not as loud as when Ranney made the
> same announcement.
Hahhahahhahahhahahahaha!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Liz is getting a divorce
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Date: June 21, 2011 12:26PM
Ha ha ha ha
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
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Date: June 21, 2011 12:42PM
Liz is getting a divorce Wrote:
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> Ha ha ha ha
That one crosses the line. No matter how challenging a Board member she has been, her personal life should remain that. I hope if this is true she gets some help.
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> Ha ha ha ha
That one crosses the line. No matter how challenging a Board member she has been, her personal life should remain that. I hope if this is true she gets some help.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
mmoore
()
Date: June 21, 2011 01:14PM
What about this - just caught wind of Mr. Stuban running for FCPS SB at large seat.
http://fairfaxcity.patch.com/articles/stuban-might-run-for-fairfax-county-school-board
http://fairfaxcity.patch.com/articles/stuban-might-run-for-fairfax-county-school-board
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Truth or Dare?
()
Date: June 21, 2011 09:04PM
I can't wait. Will she come out and tell us the news herself?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bradsher No Friend of WSHS
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Date: June 22, 2011 11:11PM
It's too bad we put our faith in her as she has done nothing for us and just made West Springfield a lightning rod when we didn't deserve it. The rest of the School Bd did us no favors in failing on our renovation.
Some friends sent this.
http://www.novacommonsense.com/2011/06/21/a-sad-day-for-clifton/
Some friends sent this.
http://www.novacommonsense.com/2011/06/21/a-sad-day-for-clifton/
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 24, 2011 03:49PM
Question:
Why did the SOCO Bitch move into the Lake Braddock HS pyramid? What, her precious SOCO wasn't good enough anymore? Did her Crosspoint neighbors finally see through her BS and kick her out?
I feel sorry for her new neighbors. Can you imagine looking out your window to see who the new neighbors are and you see Liz Bradsher? YIKES!! Call the realtor, we're outta here! On second thought, it would probably be more fun to just turn into the neighbors from hell and send her packing, again.
Why did the SOCO Bitch move into the Lake Braddock HS pyramid? What, her precious SOCO wasn't good enough anymore? Did her Crosspoint neighbors finally see through her BS and kick her out?
I feel sorry for her new neighbors. Can you imagine looking out your window to see who the new neighbors are and you see Liz Bradsher? YIKES!! Call the realtor, we're outta here! On second thought, it would probably be more fun to just turn into the neighbors from hell and send her packing, again.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Observant Eye
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Date: June 26, 2011 03:45AM
The Washington Post
Virginia Politics
News and Notes on Politics in Richmond and Northern Virginia
Posted at 12:35 PM ET, 06/25/2011
Fairfax County GOP officially endorses Clifton Elementary School parent for school board as slates take shape
By Fredrick Kunkle
Fairfax County Republican Committee has given its school board endorsement to a Clifton Elementary School parent who decided to run at least in part because of controversy over the closing of the school.
Days after the elementary school marked its last day of classes, the GOP endorsed Elizabeth Schultz in the race for the Springfield District school board seat.
Schultz also took an opening shot at Superintendent Jack Dale.
“The School Board works for and serves the public, not the superintendent,” Schultz said in a written statement. Schultz said that if elected, she would improve the district’s collaboration with the Board of Supervisors and transparency with the public for an entity that consumes more than half the county’s tax revenues. Schultz, who founded Republican Women of Clifton, hopes to replace incumbent Elizabeth T. Bradsher, who sided with the school board majority last year in closing Clilfton. Bradsher chose not to seek re-election.
While some parents still hope pending litigation could lead to a reversal of the board’s decision to close the school, community leaders have joined an effort to establish Fairfax County’s first charter school on the Clifton premises.
Rex Simmons, the Fairfax County Democratic Committee chairman, has said he is confident that voters will return a Democratic majority to the board because of its record of providing excellent schools.
Both parties expect a spirited school board contest this year, as six open seats and a series of high-profile controversies, such as the district’s zero-tolerance disciplinary policy, have sharpened interest in the contests. The races are officially nonpartisan, and so candidates do not run as Republicans or Democrats. But the parties are free to offer endorse their preferred candidates.
Democrats have endorsed 11 candidates, including school board chair Kathy L. Smith (Sully). Other Democratic-endorsed candidates include at-large incumbent school board member Ilryong Moon; Charisse Espy Glassman, who is running for another of the three at-large seats on the board; Ted Velkoff (at-large); John Wittman (Springfield); Patricia Hynes (Hunter Mill); Dranesville District school board member Jane K. Strauss; Mason District school board member Sandra Evans; Megan McLaughlin (Braddock); Tamara Derenak Kaufax (Lee); and Mount Vernon school board member Daniel Storck.
Republicans have endorsed Nell Hurley (Braddock) ; Nancy Linton (Hunter Mill); Louise Epstein (Dranesville); Michele Nellenbach (Mount Vernon); Providence school board member Patricia Reed; and Sheila Ratnam (Sully).
Anthony Bedell, chair of the Fairfax County Republican Committee, said in an email last week that several other candiates will be considered for at-large endorsements at a July 20 GOP party meeting, including Christina Guthrie, Sheree Brown-Kaplan, Lolita Mancheno-Smoak, Lisa Fagan, Li-Dai Kendall and Steve Stuban.
Stuban is the father of a Fairfax County student who committed suicide while he was the subject of serious disciplinary action.
By Fredrick Kunkle | 12:35 PM ET, 06/25/2011
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-politics/post/fairfax-county-gop-officially-endorses-clifton-elementary-school-parent-for-school-board-as-slates-take-shape/2011/06/24/AGz61fkH_blog.html?fb_ref=NetworkNews&fb_source=profile_oneline
Virginia Politics
News and Notes on Politics in Richmond and Northern Virginia
Posted at 12:35 PM ET, 06/25/2011
Fairfax County GOP officially endorses Clifton Elementary School parent for school board as slates take shape
By Fredrick Kunkle
Fairfax County Republican Committee has given its school board endorsement to a Clifton Elementary School parent who decided to run at least in part because of controversy over the closing of the school.
Days after the elementary school marked its last day of classes, the GOP endorsed Elizabeth Schultz in the race for the Springfield District school board seat.
Schultz also took an opening shot at Superintendent Jack Dale.
“The School Board works for and serves the public, not the superintendent,” Schultz said in a written statement. Schultz said that if elected, she would improve the district’s collaboration with the Board of Supervisors and transparency with the public for an entity that consumes more than half the county’s tax revenues. Schultz, who founded Republican Women of Clifton, hopes to replace incumbent Elizabeth T. Bradsher, who sided with the school board majority last year in closing Clilfton. Bradsher chose not to seek re-election.
While some parents still hope pending litigation could lead to a reversal of the board’s decision to close the school, community leaders have joined an effort to establish Fairfax County’s first charter school on the Clifton premises.
Rex Simmons, the Fairfax County Democratic Committee chairman, has said he is confident that voters will return a Democratic majority to the board because of its record of providing excellent schools.
Both parties expect a spirited school board contest this year, as six open seats and a series of high-profile controversies, such as the district’s zero-tolerance disciplinary policy, have sharpened interest in the contests. The races are officially nonpartisan, and so candidates do not run as Republicans or Democrats. But the parties are free to offer endorse their preferred candidates.
Democrats have endorsed 11 candidates, including school board chair Kathy L. Smith (Sully). Other Democratic-endorsed candidates include at-large incumbent school board member Ilryong Moon; Charisse Espy Glassman, who is running for another of the three at-large seats on the board; Ted Velkoff (at-large); John Wittman (Springfield); Patricia Hynes (Hunter Mill); Dranesville District school board member Jane K. Strauss; Mason District school board member Sandra Evans; Megan McLaughlin (Braddock); Tamara Derenak Kaufax (Lee); and Mount Vernon school board member Daniel Storck.
Republicans have endorsed Nell Hurley (Braddock) ; Nancy Linton (Hunter Mill); Louise Epstein (Dranesville); Michele Nellenbach (Mount Vernon); Providence school board member Patricia Reed; and Sheila Ratnam (Sully).
Anthony Bedell, chair of the Fairfax County Republican Committee, said in an email last week that several other candiates will be considered for at-large endorsements at a July 20 GOP party meeting, including Christina Guthrie, Sheree Brown-Kaplan, Lolita Mancheno-Smoak, Lisa Fagan, Li-Dai Kendall and Steve Stuban.
Stuban is the father of a Fairfax County student who committed suicide while he was the subject of serious disciplinary action.
By Fredrick Kunkle | 12:35 PM ET, 06/25/2011
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-politics/post/fairfax-county-gop-officially-endorses-clifton-elementary-school-parent-for-school-board-as-slates-take-shape/2011/06/24/AGz61fkH_blog.html?fb_ref=NetworkNews&fb_source=profile_oneline
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Angryvoter
()
Date: June 26, 2011 07:22AM
My morning was ruined after I woke up this morning to Robert McCartney's opinion piece in the Metro section of the Washington Post. Unbelievable I don't even know where to begin to respond. Liz is quoted as saying that she is suprised that the Republican Party has turned against her. Maybe she forgot that she said in a newspaper interview in January when asked if she was a Republican-"no."
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Enough already
()
Date: June 26, 2011 08:31AM
Was pleased to see Robert McCartney's column in the Post this morning. I have been following this thread for some time now and felt that the nastiness exhibited by most of the writers was way beyond the pale. It is one thing to disagree it is totally another thing to become libelous. Also found it interesting that he identified one of the nasties, Erin Tengesdal. She defends her right to be nasty on freedom of speech. I don't think that kind of nonsense is what the founding fathers had in mind. Even more interesting is that Erin really had no interest in saving the school, her interest was so that her cafe wouldn't lose money. To quote:
"This is just what Erin Tengesdal worries about, the owner of the Clifton Café, a coffee shop on Main Street.
“We’re for sure our sales will go down [if Clifton closes],” Tengesdal said. “On school holidays, there’s less traffic in the town, and we’ve noticed a significant slowdown in business on those days.”
Go take a look at this piece...http://valordictus.com/2009/11/25/clifton-red-strives-to-save-school/.
Yep, real civic minded folks except the damn dollar always gets in the way, right Erin?
"This is just what Erin Tengesdal worries about, the owner of the Clifton Café, a coffee shop on Main Street.
“We’re for sure our sales will go down [if Clifton closes],” Tengesdal said. “On school holidays, there’s less traffic in the town, and we’ve noticed a significant slowdown in business on those days.”
Go take a look at this piece...http://valordictus.com/2009/11/25/clifton-red-strives-to-save-school/.
Yep, real civic minded folks except the damn dollar always gets in the way, right Erin?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Ugly Erin
()
Date: June 26, 2011 09:13AM
Anybody who has had business dealings with this troll know she is nasty,crude,self serving whore. Her cafe is poorly run dirty cesspool of disease.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
jtflanaga
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Date: June 26, 2011 09:32AM
And you teach your children this behavior?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
db
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Date: June 26, 2011 09:41AM
I thought I read that Stuban is a military officer. If so, he probably is not a VA resident. Almost all military deadbeats claim Florida or Texas as their home of record (no state income tax).
Or do you even have to be a resident to run for the school board?
Or do you even have to be a resident to run for the school board?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
angryvoter
()
Date: June 26, 2011 09:43AM
To Enough Already-
Considering Erin has children that attend Clifton Elementary and she herself grew up and went to Clifton-I think her interest is not just "the damn dollar". She not only runs a business in this community but also lives here. The letter that she wrote to Liz Bradsher was sent many months after the vote to close Clifton. While I don't agree with the tone of the letter I do understand the anger and frustration that led her to write it. Liz Bradsher has been whining about hate mail ever since this issue began yet this is the first example of what maybe could barely be considered hate mail that she has presented. Interesting that she only received it a few weeks ago and immediately ran to the press with it. She probably was thinking "finally I have something to make the Clifton people look bad!"
Liz Bradsher and the other school board members have probably recieved thousands of e-mails and letters from the Clifton community. I guarantee that the majority of them were decent, intelligent, and respectful. Approoximately 300 people got up to speak in front of the school board in support of keeping Clifton open and not one person was disrespectful. I think that speaks louder than one angry e-mail.
Liz Bradsher deserves to be called a liar beacause she did lie. She deserves to be called to deceitful because she is deceitful. But most of all she deserves to be out of office. To be a politician you need a thick skin-she needs to stop feeling sorry for herself and start feeling sorry for all the children whose lives she has negatively impacted.
Considering Erin has children that attend Clifton Elementary and she herself grew up and went to Clifton-I think her interest is not just "the damn dollar". She not only runs a business in this community but also lives here. The letter that she wrote to Liz Bradsher was sent many months after the vote to close Clifton. While I don't agree with the tone of the letter I do understand the anger and frustration that led her to write it. Liz Bradsher has been whining about hate mail ever since this issue began yet this is the first example of what maybe could barely be considered hate mail that she has presented. Interesting that she only received it a few weeks ago and immediately ran to the press with it. She probably was thinking "finally I have something to make the Clifton people look bad!"
Liz Bradsher and the other school board members have probably recieved thousands of e-mails and letters from the Clifton community. I guarantee that the majority of them were decent, intelligent, and respectful. Approoximately 300 people got up to speak in front of the school board in support of keeping Clifton open and not one person was disrespectful. I think that speaks louder than one angry e-mail.
Liz Bradsher deserves to be called a liar beacause she did lie. She deserves to be called to deceitful because she is deceitful. But most of all she deserves to be out of office. To be a politician you need a thick skin-she needs to stop feeling sorry for herself and start feeling sorry for all the children whose lives she has negatively impacted.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: June 26, 2011 09:46AM
I had a different reaction. I read McCartney's column and yawned.
There was a time when the Post would have paid good reporters to dig deep into the local politics. Had such a reporter done so here, he or she would have discovered that Liz Bradsher made many cynical deals to keep the schools she wanted built and the school she didn't want closed; that Liz Bradsher did not deal honestly with her constituents; that she repeatedly spoke ill of others who challenged her; and that closing Clifton will not generate the type of cost savings claimed by Bradsher. But, of course, there aren't many good reporters left at the Post, so what you get instead is this type of sanctimonious garbage, which probably took an hour to write and required no serious research.
I'm sure that McCartney is smug enough to think that he knows better than all of Bradsher's angry constituents, but fortunately they are the ones who vote and have let her know that she need not seek political office again in this county.
There was a time when the Post would have paid good reporters to dig deep into the local politics. Had such a reporter done so here, he or she would have discovered that Liz Bradsher made many cynical deals to keep the schools she wanted built and the school she didn't want closed; that Liz Bradsher did not deal honestly with her constituents; that she repeatedly spoke ill of others who challenged her; and that closing Clifton will not generate the type of cost savings claimed by Bradsher. But, of course, there aren't many good reporters left at the Post, so what you get instead is this type of sanctimonious garbage, which probably took an hour to write and required no serious research.
I'm sure that McCartney is smug enough to think that he knows better than all of Bradsher's angry constituents, but fortunately they are the ones who vote and have let her know that she need not seek political office again in this county.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
What would Brian Schoeneman do?
()
Date: June 26, 2011 11:08AM
What would Brian Schoeneman do about the problems with the school board?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Voter
()
Date: June 26, 2011 11:25AM
Enough already Wrote:
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> Was pleased to see Robert McCartney's column in
> the Post this morning. I have been following this
> thread for some time now and felt that the
> nastiness exhibited by most of the writers was way
> beyond the pale.
I agree, it was great to see someone put the majority of the county's view into print. There is a small nasty and vocal minority down in Clifton, and the details in the article is why most hate the townfolks. It was nice to see Erin's name in print for the garbage she wrote. What a mean spirited person she is.
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> Was pleased to see Robert McCartney's column in
> the Post this morning. I have been following this
> thread for some time now and felt that the
> nastiness exhibited by most of the writers was way
> beyond the pale.
I agree, it was great to see someone put the majority of the county's view into print. There is a small nasty and vocal minority down in Clifton, and the details in the article is why most hate the townfolks. It was nice to see Erin's name in print for the garbage she wrote. What a mean spirited person she is.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
BrianSchoeneman
()
Date: June 26, 2011 11:33AM
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Private School Parent
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Date: June 26, 2011 11:47AM
The folks in Clifton have a prime opportuntity to build their own charter school, the way they feel a charter school should be. They should look at the bright side and take that opportunity.
Liz did them all a favor...
The folks at Clifton should quit acting like babies and stop the WHINING!!!
Otherwise, if the whining continues, I will vote that the Lamb Center relocate to the site...
Feel Better now?
Liz did them all a favor...
The folks at Clifton should quit acting like babies and stop the WHINING!!!
Otherwise, if the whining continues, I will vote that the Lamb Center relocate to the site...
Feel Better now?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Skeptical
()
Date: June 26, 2011 11:51AM
BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> http://www.novacommonsense.com/2011/06/26/mccartne
> y-is-flat-wrong-on-bradsher-and-clifton/#comments
+1
One silver lining of this debacle is the prospect that a third-rate political hack like Liz Bradsher will be tossed out of county politics, with a thoughtful, smart newcomer like Brian Schoeneman elected.
Generally people don't spend any time thinking about local elections, and then we get what we deserve - folks like Liz Bradsher and idiotic opinion pieces like the one that just ran in the Post. We can do better. Brian's campaign is evidence.
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> http://www.novacommonsense.com/2011/06/26/mccartne
> y-is-flat-wrong-on-bradsher-and-clifton/#comments
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One silver lining of this debacle is the prospect that a third-rate political hack like Liz Bradsher will be tossed out of county politics, with a thoughtful, smart newcomer like Brian Schoeneman elected.
Generally people don't spend any time thinking about local elections, and then we get what we deserve - folks like Liz Bradsher and idiotic opinion pieces like the one that just ran in the Post. We can do better. Brian's campaign is evidence.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
BrianSfan
()
Date: June 26, 2011 12:00PM
Excellent response to the Washington Post article by Brian Schoeneman.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Reader
()
Date: June 26, 2011 12:07PM
I couldn't give a rat's ass what Robert McCartney writes about Fairfax. First, he lives in Maryland, not Virginia. His kid graduated from B-CC. Second, he's a typical Post liberal who starts from the assumption that government is good and can be counted on to do the right thing. Put together his ignorance and his liberal bias and you get this sort of misinformed BS. I'd pay more attention to any weekend reporter who writes for Fairfax Station Patch than I'd pay to what he has to say about FCPS. Tools like McCartney and Marc Fisher almost always get Virginia local affairs wrong.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
update
()
Date: June 26, 2011 12:52PM
Fairfax Underground mentioned in this article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/board-member-punished-for-trying-to-do-right-thing-in-fairfax-school-dispute/2011/06/24/AGxt1ElH_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/board-member-punished-for-trying-to-do-right-thing-in-fairfax-school-dispute/2011/06/24/AGxt1ElH_story.html
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Voter
()
Date: June 26, 2011 01:22PM
Private School Parent Wrote:
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> The folks in Clifton have a prime opportuntity to
> build their own charter school, the way they feel
> a charter school should be. They should look at
> the bright side and take that opportunity.
The Charter School is DOA when it gets to school board. If Clifton residents were intelligent they would have fought this professionally, instead with libelous smear tactics and hate.
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> The folks in Clifton have a prime opportuntity to
> build their own charter school, the way they feel
> a charter school should be. They should look at
> the bright side and take that opportunity.
The Charter School is DOA when it gets to school board. If Clifton residents were intelligent they would have fought this professionally, instead with libelous smear tactics and hate.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Voter
()
Date: June 26, 2011 01:31PM
Just read BS's hack piece, supporting Clifton as the victim. The fact is closing Clifton is a savings to the county. Brian does not answer the question as to if it wasn't a savings why would the board vote to close it, instead sharing vague and unfounded conspiracy theories. Of course if the conspiracy theories were true they would have come out with the FOIA emails. This is NIMBYism at it's best.
Advice for BS, distance yourself from this. For while you'll gain the suport of a couple of hundred people on five acre lots, you'll incur the wrath of thousands on election day.
Advice for BS, distance yourself from this. For while you'll gain the suport of a couple of hundred people on five acre lots, you'll incur the wrath of thousands on election day.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
For Liz Bradsher...
()
Date: June 26, 2011 02:31PM
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
BrianSchoeneman
()
Date: June 26, 2011 05:06PM
FFx Voter, I am not convinced that it will be a savings. I don't think that case has been made. And by doing this the way they did, they have already driven up the costs to all of us by angering the parents to the point of suing FCPS - if the Board had done the closing correctly and listened to the residents, it didn't have to happen this way.
The whole thing smells fishy to me, and I think many of the voters who have been paying attention to the issue think it smells fishy too. All of the claims FCPS made to justify the closing have been disproved or at least rebutted by the parents.
The whole thing smells fishy to me, and I think many of the voters who have been paying attention to the issue think it smells fishy too. All of the claims FCPS made to justify the closing have been disproved or at least rebutted by the parents.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 26, 2011 05:37PM
Posted by: FFX Voter ()
Date: June 26, 2011 01:22PM
Private School Parent Wrote:
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> The folks in Clifton have a prime opportuntity to
> build their own charter school, the way they feel
> a charter school should be. They should look at
> the bright side and take that opportunity.
The Charter School is DOA when it gets to school board. If Clifton residents were intelligent they would have fought this professionally, instead with libelous smear tactics and hate.
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FFX Voter also wrote:
Just read BS's hack piece, supporting Clifton as the victim. The fact is closing Clifton is a savings to the county. Brian does not answer the question as to if it wasn't a savings why would the board vote to close it, instead sharing vague and unfounded conspiracy theories. Of course if the conspiracy theories were true they would have come out with the FOIA emails. This is NIMBYism at it's best.
Advice for BS, distance yourself from this. For while you'll gain the suport of a couple of hundred people on five acre lots, you'll incur the wrath of thousands on election day.
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Where to begin...You clearly don't know what you're talking about, as evidenced by the drivel you wrote.
Let's start with your first post, shall we?
The Charter School application has to go to the state BOE before it is submitted to the County. It is a long, tedious process. November is a mere 4-1/2 months away. How fast do you think the state is going to turn that application around? As for Private School Parent's post: "build their own charter school, the way they feel a charter school should be", what a crock! Again, a demonstration of lack of knowledge about Charter Schools.
As for "fought this professionally" - if working with our "representative", Liz Bradsher and FCPS staff in a courteous and respectful manner right up to the very moment she voted to close this school isn't "professional" enough for you, too bad! "Libelous smear tactics"? It's hardly libel when the words written came directly from Ms. Bradsher and FCPS staff emails. Want to talk about libel? Go look up the FOIA'd email where Dean Tisdadt says he thinks they have enough evidence to search Pat Herrity's house for crack. That's libel! "Hate"? That one I'll admit to. It's well deserved in Ms. Bradsher's case.
On to your second post...
"The fact is closing Clifton is a savings to the county." And you know this how?? Because FCPS says it's so? Oh, well, then it must be true! The fact is closing this school will cost taxpayers more. Hmmm..... $10 million to renovate CES, or $13.7M to do expansions and put trailers at the schools receiving CES students. I don't know what kind of math you learned in elementary school, but according to the math I learned, that doesn't save taxpayers any money.
BTW, Clifton isn't even in Brian's district. And if it were, there are approximately 2200 homes in the Clifton ES attendance area, and their voting percentage is one of the highest in the County. Yeah, Clifton votes and has voting power. If there's a politician that should have distanced himself, it's Dave Albo. (Wait, is this Dave??) He's the only one still supporting Liz and her delusions.
So, that still leaves the question as to why Liz Bradsher and her cronies had such a hard on to close this school. If you find out, we'd love to know! It wasn't any of the reasons they purported as facts.
Date: June 26, 2011 01:22PM
Private School Parent Wrote:
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> The folks in Clifton have a prime opportuntity to
> build their own charter school, the way they feel
> a charter school should be. They should look at
> the bright side and take that opportunity.
The Charter School is DOA when it gets to school board. If Clifton residents were intelligent they would have fought this professionally, instead with libelous smear tactics and hate.
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FFX Voter also wrote:
Just read BS's hack piece, supporting Clifton as the victim. The fact is closing Clifton is a savings to the county. Brian does not answer the question as to if it wasn't a savings why would the board vote to close it, instead sharing vague and unfounded conspiracy theories. Of course if the conspiracy theories were true they would have come out with the FOIA emails. This is NIMBYism at it's best.
Advice for BS, distance yourself from this. For while you'll gain the suport of a couple of hundred people on five acre lots, you'll incur the wrath of thousands on election day.
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Where to begin...You clearly don't know what you're talking about, as evidenced by the drivel you wrote.
Let's start with your first post, shall we?
The Charter School application has to go to the state BOE before it is submitted to the County. It is a long, tedious process. November is a mere 4-1/2 months away. How fast do you think the state is going to turn that application around? As for Private School Parent's post: "build their own charter school, the way they feel a charter school should be", what a crock! Again, a demonstration of lack of knowledge about Charter Schools.
As for "fought this professionally" - if working with our "representative", Liz Bradsher and FCPS staff in a courteous and respectful manner right up to the very moment she voted to close this school isn't "professional" enough for you, too bad! "Libelous smear tactics"? It's hardly libel when the words written came directly from Ms. Bradsher and FCPS staff emails. Want to talk about libel? Go look up the FOIA'd email where Dean Tisdadt says he thinks they have enough evidence to search Pat Herrity's house for crack. That's libel! "Hate"? That one I'll admit to. It's well deserved in Ms. Bradsher's case.
On to your second post...
"The fact is closing Clifton is a savings to the county." And you know this how?? Because FCPS says it's so? Oh, well, then it must be true! The fact is closing this school will cost taxpayers more. Hmmm..... $10 million to renovate CES, or $13.7M to do expansions and put trailers at the schools receiving CES students. I don't know what kind of math you learned in elementary school, but according to the math I learned, that doesn't save taxpayers any money.
BTW, Clifton isn't even in Brian's district. And if it were, there are approximately 2200 homes in the Clifton ES attendance area, and their voting percentage is one of the highest in the County. Yeah, Clifton votes and has voting power. If there's a politician that should have distanced himself, it's Dave Albo. (Wait, is this Dave??) He's the only one still supporting Liz and her delusions.
So, that still leaves the question as to why Liz Bradsher and her cronies had such a hard on to close this school. If you find out, we'd love to know! It wasn't any of the reasons they purported as facts.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Reader
()
Date: June 26, 2011 05:40PM
FFX Voter Wrote:
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> Just read BS's hack piece, supporting Clifton as
> the victim. The fact is closing Clifton is a
> savings to the county. Brian does not answer the
> question as to if it wasn't a savings why would
> the board vote to close it, instead sharing vague
> and unfounded conspiracy theories. Of course if
> the conspiracy theories were true they would have
> come out with the FOIA emails. This is NIMBYism at
> it's best.
>
> Advice for BS, distance yourself from this. For
> while you'll gain the suport of a couple of
> hundred people on five acre lots, you'll incur the
> wrath of thousands on election day.
Advice for FFX Reader - look at the FOIAed e-mails. They prove that Liz Bradsher was something less than an honest broker when it came to Clifton. Only a fool would think that FCPS makes decisions with any consistent eye towards saving money or using resources efficiently.
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> Just read BS's hack piece, supporting Clifton as
> the victim. The fact is closing Clifton is a
> savings to the county. Brian does not answer the
> question as to if it wasn't a savings why would
> the board vote to close it, instead sharing vague
> and unfounded conspiracy theories. Of course if
> the conspiracy theories were true they would have
> come out with the FOIA emails. This is NIMBYism at
> it's best.
>
> Advice for BS, distance yourself from this. For
> while you'll gain the suport of a couple of
> hundred people on five acre lots, you'll incur the
> wrath of thousands on election day.
Advice for FFX Reader - look at the FOIAed e-mails. They prove that Liz Bradsher was something less than an honest broker when it came to Clifton. Only a fool would think that FCPS makes decisions with any consistent eye towards saving money or using resources efficiently.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Private School - Parent
()
Date: June 26, 2011 05:44PM
FFX Voter Wrote:
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> Private School Parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The folks in Clifton have a prime opportuntity
> to
> > build their own charter school, the way they
> feel
> > a charter school should be. They should look at
> > the bright side and take that opportunity.
>
>
> The Charter School is DOA when it gets to school
> board. If Clifton residents were intelligent they
> would have fought this professionally, instead
> with libelous smear tactics and hate.
Then build a Private School instead, geez....what's the hold up?
You All GOts the Money, being in Clifton and all, no?
Wah!!!!!!!!
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> Private School Parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The folks in Clifton have a prime opportuntity
> to
> > build their own charter school, the way they
> feel
> > a charter school should be. They should look at
> > the bright side and take that opportunity.
>
>
> The Charter School is DOA when it gets to school
> board. If Clifton residents were intelligent they
> would have fought this professionally, instead
> with libelous smear tactics and hate.
Then build a Private School instead, geez....what's the hold up?
You All GOts the Money, being in Clifton and all, no?
Wah!!!!!!!!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hsparent
()
Date: June 26, 2011 05:54PM
Let's hope that the people running for the SB position in this district are not ONE ISSUE CANDIDATES!! If all they are running on is the restore Clifton ES platform, it will just be another bad representative. All candidates should be running with the interests of the ENTIRE COUNTY in mind.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 26, 2011 06:11PM
I completely agree with hsparent. With one exception: School Board members serving a specific district, should represent their district.
There are 3 At-large members to represent the best interests of the ENTIRE county. Districts have specific representation for a reason - to look after the constituents of that district.
Ms. Bradsher pitted two schools in her district against each other: WSHS and CES. Neither of them got anything they were promised and both got screwed. The only portion of the County that Ms. Bradsher has ever been concerned about is South County. She was a one issue candidate (preserving community schools) and look where that got her. Not to mention what a joke that campaign promise turned out to be!
There are 3 At-large members to represent the best interests of the ENTIRE county. Districts have specific representation for a reason - to look after the constituents of that district.
Ms. Bradsher pitted two schools in her district against each other: WSHS and CES. Neither of them got anything they were promised and both got screwed. The only portion of the County that Ms. Bradsher has ever been concerned about is South County. She was a one issue candidate (preserving community schools) and look where that got her. Not to mention what a joke that campaign promise turned out to be!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Voter
()
Date: June 26, 2011 08:42PM
FFX Reader Wrote:
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>
> Advice for FFX Reader - look at the FOIAed
> e-mails. They prove that Liz Bradsher was
> something less than an honest broker when it came
> to Clifton. Only a fool would think that FCPS
> makes decisions with any consistent eye towards
> saving money or using resources efficiently.
I've followed the emails in this thread from the beginning. There isn't anything in here that proves any collusion. Clifton was closed since it made fiscal sense to do so, fair and simple. It's small, it's old, the building is expensive to maintain and needed renovations. All the smoke and mirrors posted her are just that, an illusion.
Listen, I know it's heart wrenching to lose the school, but this could have been handled a lot better by the Clifton community.
If you have an email that reveals the conspiracy against Clifton that is consistently being alluded to, post it up.
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>
> Advice for FFX Reader - look at the FOIAed
> e-mails. They prove that Liz Bradsher was
> something less than an honest broker when it came
> to Clifton. Only a fool would think that FCPS
> makes decisions with any consistent eye towards
> saving money or using resources efficiently.
I've followed the emails in this thread from the beginning. There isn't anything in here that proves any collusion. Clifton was closed since it made fiscal sense to do so, fair and simple. It's small, it's old, the building is expensive to maintain and needed renovations. All the smoke and mirrors posted her are just that, an illusion.
Listen, I know it's heart wrenching to lose the school, but this could have been handled a lot better by the Clifton community.
If you have an email that reveals the conspiracy against Clifton that is consistently being alluded to, post it up.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Dave Albo constituent
()
Date: June 26, 2011 08:44PM
herewegoagin raises a good point. Why is Dave Albo still supporting Liz Bradsher? Anyone that has read any of this thread and the emails received via FOIA requests has to question what Albo's motive is in continuing his support. From what I've read about this, Liz Bradsher shouldn't be in office. Dave Albo's continued support should raise some eyebrows, IMHO.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Reader
()
Date: June 26, 2011 09:10PM
FFX Voter Wrote:
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> I've followed the emails in this thread from the
> beginning. There isn't anything in here that
> proves any collusion. Clifton was closed since it
> made fiscal sense to do so, fair and simple. It's
> small, it's old, the building is expensive to
> maintain and needed renovations. All the smoke and
> mirrors posted her are just that, an illusion.
>
> Listen, I know it's heart wrenching to lose the
> school, but this could have been handled a lot
> better by the Clifton community.
>
> If you have an email that reveals the conspiracy
> against Clifton that is consistently being alluded
> to, post it up.
I don't think the test really should be whether all the Clifton residents or those pretending to be Clifton residents get an "A" for etiquette. They aren't the ones who are responsible for this poor decision.
There are multiple web sites where Liz Bradsher's e-mails with Tessie Wilson, Dean Tisdadt and some of her cronies were posted. Have you read them? I think it's hard to do so and not come away completely disgusted with Liz Bradsher's behavior.
I think you'd reach a similar conclusion if you were objectively looking at the matter, but quite honestly it doesn't really matter at this point. Clifton is being closed, and Liz Bradsher is being exiled from local political office. That is not going to change, and we can all now agree that one of those things needed to happen.
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> I've followed the emails in this thread from the
> beginning. There isn't anything in here that
> proves any collusion. Clifton was closed since it
> made fiscal sense to do so, fair and simple. It's
> small, it's old, the building is expensive to
> maintain and needed renovations. All the smoke and
> mirrors posted her are just that, an illusion.
>
> Listen, I know it's heart wrenching to lose the
> school, but this could have been handled a lot
> better by the Clifton community.
>
> If you have an email that reveals the conspiracy
> against Clifton that is consistently being alluded
> to, post it up.
I don't think the test really should be whether all the Clifton residents or those pretending to be Clifton residents get an "A" for etiquette. They aren't the ones who are responsible for this poor decision.
There are multiple web sites where Liz Bradsher's e-mails with Tessie Wilson, Dean Tisdadt and some of her cronies were posted. Have you read them? I think it's hard to do so and not come away completely disgusted with Liz Bradsher's behavior.
I think you'd reach a similar conclusion if you were objectively looking at the matter, but quite honestly it doesn't really matter at this point. Clifton is being closed, and Liz Bradsher is being exiled from local political office. That is not going to change, and we can all now agree that one of those things needed to happen.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
'cha
()
Date: June 27, 2011 12:00AM
FFX Voter:
>this could have been handled a lot better by the Clifton community.
how so?
fcps #s sink their argument ship
endless letters and meetings failed and bradsher lied to parents and elected officials face to face
what else could they have done?
what's the battle plan if your person representing you raw deals you at every turn?
Attachments:
>this could have been handled a lot better by the Clifton community.
how so?
fcps #s sink their argument ship
endless letters and meetings failed and bradsher lied to parents and elected officials face to face
what else could they have done?
what's the battle plan if your person representing you raw deals you at every turn?
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
'cha
()
Date: June 27, 2011 12:06AM
links did not attach
FCPS School link is
http://commweb.fcps.edu/directory/
Capital Improvement Project FY2012 Actual link is
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/cipbook2012-16.pdf
Actual Design Capacity (Dashboard) link is
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/dashboard/10-11dashboard.html
Actual Enrollment (Dashboard) link is
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/dashboard/10-11dashboard.html
FCPS School link is
http://commweb.fcps.edu/directory/
Capital Improvement Project FY2012 Actual link is
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/cipbook2012-16.pdf
Actual Design Capacity (Dashboard) link is
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/dashboard/10-11dashboard.html
Actual Enrollment (Dashboard) link is
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/dashboard/10-11dashboard.html
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Animorpher
()
Date: June 27, 2011 04:49AM
Bradsher is a gift that just keeps giving
[no matter how much you try to re-gift]
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[no matter how much you try to re-gift]
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 27, 2011 12:56PM
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/mornings/clifton-elementary-closes-with-controversy-062711
More spin and BS against Clifton. Oh, poor Liz, she received one hate email out of how many thousands that were sent to her? Cry me a river, Liz. Or PROVE your accusations. You can't! We have the emails you were sent, remember? The ones that FCPS was forced to release only after a judge told you to. Remember those, Liz? Or is this an admission that FCPS DIDN'T release all of the emails as they were supposed to by law? Huh?? Which is it? You can't have it both ways. So where are all these hateful threatening emails, huh Liz? Or is the FFU your only source of hate? Yeah, there's a lot of hate on here directed at you. Prove these posts were made by Clifton residents. How do you know they were't posted by the many, many other "fans" you have throughout FFX Co.?
Hey Fox 5, how about you live up to your commercials and do some investigative reporting of the facts on this issue?
Where is the report about Liz Bradsher calling constituents at home to scream at them when they disagreed with her?
Where is the report about Liz Bradsher calling the home of a well known parent advocate from the Fairfax Education Coalition and telling her "I will cripple you at the knees" if that parent didn't stop disagreeing with her?
Where is the report about Liz Bradsher calling an EMPLOYER of another parent advocate and trying to have her fired for vocalizing her discontent with Liz Bradsher's "representation"?
Where is the report about Liz Bradsher calling another parent at home and telling that parent that she would no longer be able to help that parent with her child's IEP if she didn't stop disagreeing with Ms. Bradsher?
Where is the report about the FOIA'd emails from Bradsher and staff which clearly show in black and white that they violated open meetings laws in Virginia? Which, BTW, a decision in that case is still pending.
Where is the report asking why Dean Tisdadt, COO of FCPS sent an email to several School Board members and Jack Dale claiming " I think we have enough evidence to search Pat Herrity's house for crack!"?
Where are the reports about all the communities that have hated Liz Bradsher for YEARS! She is not some great representative that Clifton residents are picking on for crying out loud! Google Liz Bradsher and you'll see that the discontent with this woman goes back years and is spread across Fairfax County. She didn't earn the name South County Bitch back in 2007 for nothing and Clifton residents for the most part didn't think twice about her before she set her sights on CES.
Where is the report questioning why Dean Tisdadt sent an email to Liz Bradsher telling her not to worry before they attended a meeting with Woodson parents, saying "Don't worry! We'll have them eating out of our hands just like we did Clifton". Where is that report?
Tell me! Where are those reports? If Fox 5 and the WaPo want to be PR firms for FCPS, they're doing a damn fine job of it. If they want to be respectable news outlets, they better start reporting both sides of the story. You took ONE email out of thousands and used that to paint an entire community. Way to do your job objectively!
Liz Bradsher needs to stop blaming her problems on Clifton. She brought this on herself and it started LONG BEFORE Clifton residents even knew her name!
More spin and BS against Clifton. Oh, poor Liz, she received one hate email out of how many thousands that were sent to her? Cry me a river, Liz. Or PROVE your accusations. You can't! We have the emails you were sent, remember? The ones that FCPS was forced to release only after a judge told you to. Remember those, Liz? Or is this an admission that FCPS DIDN'T release all of the emails as they were supposed to by law? Huh?? Which is it? You can't have it both ways. So where are all these hateful threatening emails, huh Liz? Or is the FFU your only source of hate? Yeah, there's a lot of hate on here directed at you. Prove these posts were made by Clifton residents. How do you know they were't posted by the many, many other "fans" you have throughout FFX Co.?
Hey Fox 5, how about you live up to your commercials and do some investigative reporting of the facts on this issue?
Where is the report about Liz Bradsher calling constituents at home to scream at them when they disagreed with her?
Where is the report about Liz Bradsher calling the home of a well known parent advocate from the Fairfax Education Coalition and telling her "I will cripple you at the knees" if that parent didn't stop disagreeing with her?
Where is the report about Liz Bradsher calling an EMPLOYER of another parent advocate and trying to have her fired for vocalizing her discontent with Liz Bradsher's "representation"?
Where is the report about Liz Bradsher calling another parent at home and telling that parent that she would no longer be able to help that parent with her child's IEP if she didn't stop disagreeing with Ms. Bradsher?
Where is the report about the FOIA'd emails from Bradsher and staff which clearly show in black and white that they violated open meetings laws in Virginia? Which, BTW, a decision in that case is still pending.
Where is the report asking why Dean Tisdadt, COO of FCPS sent an email to several School Board members and Jack Dale claiming " I think we have enough evidence to search Pat Herrity's house for crack!"?
Where are the reports about all the communities that have hated Liz Bradsher for YEARS! She is not some great representative that Clifton residents are picking on for crying out loud! Google Liz Bradsher and you'll see that the discontent with this woman goes back years and is spread across Fairfax County. She didn't earn the name South County Bitch back in 2007 for nothing and Clifton residents for the most part didn't think twice about her before she set her sights on CES.
Where is the report questioning why Dean Tisdadt sent an email to Liz Bradsher telling her not to worry before they attended a meeting with Woodson parents, saying "Don't worry! We'll have them eating out of our hands just like we did Clifton". Where is that report?
Tell me! Where are those reports? If Fox 5 and the WaPo want to be PR firms for FCPS, they're doing a damn fine job of it. If they want to be respectable news outlets, they better start reporting both sides of the story. You took ONE email out of thousands and used that to paint an entire community. Way to do your job objectively!
Liz Bradsher needs to stop blaming her problems on Clifton. She brought this on herself and it started LONG BEFORE Clifton residents even knew her name!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
staff staff staff
()
Date: June 27, 2011 04:47PM
I kid you not. Wrote:
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> You have to be kidding me....
>
> 100% of the time responding to FOIAs....
>
> It is the criteria of EFFICIENCY that blows me
> away.....100% efficient.
>
> Just another rubber stamping from the School
> Board. When will they learn to question FCPS
> staff?
When they stop referring to the disembodied 'Staff' - it's a person with a name who is supposed to be accountable. If it was Sally Smith the head of cafeterias that prepared the budget that was all screwed up, then fucking say that. Instead we get 'Staff estimates were low'. How about 'Sally fucked up the budget, we should find someone else to do that job'. Arrrrgh..
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> You have to be kidding me....
>
> 100% of the time responding to FOIAs....
>
> It is the criteria of EFFICIENCY that blows me
> away.....100% efficient.
>
> Just another rubber stamping from the School
> Board. When will they learn to question FCPS
> staff?
When they stop referring to the disembodied 'Staff' - it's a person with a name who is supposed to be accountable. If it was Sally Smith the head of cafeterias that prepared the budget that was all screwed up, then fucking say that. Instead we get 'Staff estimates were low'. How about 'Sally fucked up the budget, we should find someone else to do that job'. Arrrrgh..
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
consider the source
()
Date: June 27, 2011 05:08PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Tell me! Where are those reports? If Fox 5 and
> the WaPo want to be PR firms for FCPS, they're
> doing a damn fine job of it. If they want to be
> respectable news outlets, they better start
> reporting both sides of the story. You took ONE
> email out of thousands and used that to paint an
> entire community. Way to do your job
> objectively!
>
Obviously, the PR shop at FCPS understands that if they want to keep their jobs, they need to keep the current admin. Thus all the FCPS sponsored articles in the WaPo, etc.
Take a look at the columnist (Robert McCartney) for the Post, and what else he has said in the past - he's out there as much a Liz is:
- "Anonymous postings on a widely read Web site falsely said that she had a drinking problem" - How, exactly, does he know that? Did he run a blood test?
- Re: the Dulles Metro Station - "I’d happily support the plan to pay for the station by gouging drivers on the Dulles Toll Road."
- He was an early and vocal advocate for Vincent Gray, who is just one crack pipe and hooker short of being the re-incarnation of Marion Barry as DC mayor
- Thought Creigh Deeds should have run on a platform of increasing taxes - this in 2009, the depth of the recession
Hard to believe he would have come out full force in support of Liz.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Tell me! Where are those reports? If Fox 5 and
> the WaPo want to be PR firms for FCPS, they're
> doing a damn fine job of it. If they want to be
> respectable news outlets, they better start
> reporting both sides of the story. You took ONE
> email out of thousands and used that to paint an
> entire community. Way to do your job
> objectively!
>
Obviously, the PR shop at FCPS understands that if they want to keep their jobs, they need to keep the current admin. Thus all the FCPS sponsored articles in the WaPo, etc.
Take a look at the columnist (Robert McCartney) for the Post, and what else he has said in the past - he's out there as much a Liz is:
- "Anonymous postings on a widely read Web site falsely said that she had a drinking problem" - How, exactly, does he know that? Did he run a blood test?
- Re: the Dulles Metro Station - "I’d happily support the plan to pay for the station by gouging drivers on the Dulles Toll Road."
- He was an early and vocal advocate for Vincent Gray, who is just one crack pipe and hooker short of being the re-incarnation of Marion Barry as DC mayor
- Thought Creigh Deeds should have run on a platform of increasing taxes - this in 2009, the depth of the recession
Hard to believe he would have come out full force in support of Liz.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Voter
()
Date: June 27, 2011 09:55PM
FFX Reader Wrote:
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> FFX Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I've followed the emails in this thread from
> the
> > beginning. There isn't anything in here that
> > proves any collusion. Clifton was closed since
> it
> > made fiscal sense to do so, fair and simple.
> It's
> > small, it's old, the building is expensive to
> > maintain and needed renovations. All the smoke
> and
> > mirrors posted her are just that, an illusion.
> >
> > Listen, I know it's heart wrenching to lose the
> > school, but this could have been handled a lot
> > better by the Clifton community.
> >
> > If you have an email that reveals the
> conspiracy
> > against Clifton that is consistently being
> alluded
> > to, post it up.
>
> I don't think the test really should be whether
> all the Clifton residents or those pretending to
> be Clifton residents get an "A" for etiquette.
> They aren't the ones who are responsible for this
> poor decision.
>
> There are multiple web sites where Liz Bradsher's
> e-mails with Tessie Wilson, Dean Tisdadt and some
> of her cronies were posted. Have you read them?
> I think it's hard to do so and not come away
> completely disgusted with Liz Bradsher's
> behavior.
>
> I think you'd reach a similar conclusion if you
> were objectively looking at the matter, but quite
> honestly it doesn't really matter at this point.
> Clifton is being closed, and Liz Bradsher is being
> exiled from local political office. That is not
> going to change, and we can all now agree that one
> of those things needed to happen.
I read the emails and I am not disgusted, but then again I am not in Clifton and my school isn't closing.
You're right, it's over, no sense to keep all the complaining. Time to move on. But, check out the comments on the McCartney article, and here. Let's face it, Erin, Lindai and Schultz ain't letting go.
And facts are still facts. The school was small, it's not going to grow due to the watershed/five acre lot requirement limiting growth, and it was old and needed repairs. While figures can be spun to make a case to leave it open, over mid and long term time frames it needed to be shuttered. You're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts.
-------------------------------------------------------
> FFX Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I've followed the emails in this thread from
> the
> > beginning. There isn't anything in here that
> > proves any collusion. Clifton was closed since
> it
> > made fiscal sense to do so, fair and simple.
> It's
> > small, it's old, the building is expensive to
> > maintain and needed renovations. All the smoke
> and
> > mirrors posted her are just that, an illusion.
> >
> > Listen, I know it's heart wrenching to lose the
> > school, but this could have been handled a lot
> > better by the Clifton community.
> >
> > If you have an email that reveals the
> conspiracy
> > against Clifton that is consistently being
> alluded
> > to, post it up.
>
> I don't think the test really should be whether
> all the Clifton residents or those pretending to
> be Clifton residents get an "A" for etiquette.
> They aren't the ones who are responsible for this
> poor decision.
>
> There are multiple web sites where Liz Bradsher's
> e-mails with Tessie Wilson, Dean Tisdadt and some
> of her cronies were posted. Have you read them?
> I think it's hard to do so and not come away
> completely disgusted with Liz Bradsher's
> behavior.
>
> I think you'd reach a similar conclusion if you
> were objectively looking at the matter, but quite
> honestly it doesn't really matter at this point.
> Clifton is being closed, and Liz Bradsher is being
> exiled from local political office. That is not
> going to change, and we can all now agree that one
> of those things needed to happen.
I read the emails and I am not disgusted, but then again I am not in Clifton and my school isn't closing.
You're right, it's over, no sense to keep all the complaining. Time to move on. But, check out the comments on the McCartney article, and here. Let's face it, Erin, Lindai and Schultz ain't letting go.
And facts are still facts. The school was small, it's not going to grow due to the watershed/five acre lot requirement limiting growth, and it was old and needed repairs. While figures can be spun to make a case to leave it open, over mid and long term time frames it needed to be shuttered. You're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bryan Bayliss
()
Date: June 27, 2011 10:01PM
To all of you who are on this website slandering her name and making up things about her. You should be ashamed of yourselves. I consider myself lucky for being able to have met Liz and been around her for a number of years. She is truly an amazing woman and has worked so hard for all she has done and for her service to the community. She gives everything and all she gets is slander from dumbasses like you people. I'm ashamed to live in this area with people like you. I can't think of a single bad thing to say about Liz Bradsher. Her achievements have gone unrecognized and she gives up her time to give back to a community that does what? Go behind a computer and try to speak ill of her and give her a bad name in the community. I would like to see anyone of you people try and perform the job she does with the same amount of dedication and hard work. I'm glad that she is able to rise above people like you and do a job that I have seen can be very difficult. I'm sure you guys have it easy going to the meeting and sitting in the back, not saying a word and then going online and abusing her. You should be proud of yourselves. Way to not put your names on the posts either. I bet you feel so proud when you put these types of comments up and then run to your little pathetic lives afterwards. It makes me so mad to see what is said about such a wonderful woman. As you can see I put my name on her because I am not afraid who sees it and I fully stand behind Liz Bradsher. Her family and friends are lucky to be around her and know her and I have personally been able to benefit from her good grace and wonderful nature. She is a wonderful person who deserves respect and praise for the job she does. Her children are lucky to have her and they are wonderful children thanks to the job she has done raising them. They are lucky not to have little scared people like yourselves who have no power other than coming on a website and slandering her name. I hope I never meet you people and I'm sure people that have met you feel the same way. Trust me, for your sake you hope I don't meet you either. Amazing what people can do behind a fake name and a website. Go try and be half as amazing as a person as she is. I feel bad for your children.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bryan Bayliss
()
Date: June 27, 2011 10:05PM
And for you that put the Jesus poster with the middle finger up. Wow....haha you are worthless and should be ashamed of yourself. I hope that you don't have children because the world doesn't need another person like you.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To: Bryan
()
Date: June 27, 2011 10:06PM
God you are dumb. Who did you F to make you write that shit. Lame!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Gay?
()
Date: June 27, 2011 10:07PM
Just a hunch.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
ShutupBryan
()
Date: June 27, 2011 10:18PM
Hey Bryan-
How many Kegs did Liz buy you to write that crap?
How many Kegs did Liz buy you to write that crap?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bryan Bayliss
()
Date: June 27, 2011 10:34PM
How many kegs did Liz buy me and who did I F? Hahaha good one. How generally old are you people because I honestly hope you don't have kids. Please tell me you don't.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bryan Bayiss
()
Date: June 27, 2011 10:35PM
How many kegs did Liz buy me and who did I F? Hahaha good one. How generally old are you people because I honestly hope you don't have kids. Please tell me you don't.
Re: to the gay guy
Posted by:
Bryan Bayliss
()
Date: June 27, 2011 10:43PM
and you get a hunch for gay guys? How often does that happen? Thats pretty telling on its own.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bryan Bayliss
()
Date: June 27, 2011 10:43PM
Consider yourselves warned. If you see me coming, you better watch out for my bow tie!
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 27, 2011 11:03PM
okay, not sure posting this kids pic was necessary. However, I will say this to Bryan:
Bryan, while your defense of Liz is admirable and I'm sure she is grateful for it, it's misplaced. I hate to tell you that, but it's true. If your experiences with her have been nothing but pleasant, you're in the minority. Since you're from SOCO, I'm sure you're very appreciative of Liz's efforts and hard work for SOCO. Unfortunately, for the rest of the County, Liz did nothing but screw us.
Don't waste your time defending her on here - it won't get you anywhere and will only make it worse for you and her. Liz is a big girl. Let her fight her own battles, especially those that she created for herself.
Best wishes Bryan. You sound like a decent kid. Do yourself a favor and stay out of it.
Bryan, while your defense of Liz is admirable and I'm sure she is grateful for it, it's misplaced. I hate to tell you that, but it's true. If your experiences with her have been nothing but pleasant, you're in the minority. Since you're from SOCO, I'm sure you're very appreciative of Liz's efforts and hard work for SOCO. Unfortunately, for the rest of the County, Liz did nothing but screw us.
Don't waste your time defending her on here - it won't get you anywhere and will only make it worse for you and her. Liz is a big girl. Let her fight her own battles, especially those that she created for herself.
Best wishes Bryan. You sound like a decent kid. Do yourself a favor and stay out of it.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Rob Jones
()
Date: June 27, 2011 11:08PM
Bryan Bayliss Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> To all of you who are on this website slandering
> her name and making up things about her. You
> should be ashamed of yourselves. I consider myself
> lucky for being able to have met Liz and been
> around her for a number of years. She is truly an
> amazing woman and has worked so hard for all she
> has done and for her service to the community. She
> gives everything and all she gets is slander from
> dumbasses like you people. I'm ashamed to live in
> this area with people like you. I can't think of a
> single bad thing to say about Liz Bradsher. Her
> achievements have gone unrecognized and she gives
> up her time to give back to a community that does
> what? Go behind a computer and try to speak ill of
> her and give her a bad name in the community. I
> would like to see anyone of you people try and
> perform the job she does with the same amount of
> dedication and hard work. I'm glad that she is
> able to rise above people like you and do a job
> that I have seen can be very difficult. I'm sure
> you guys have it easy going to the meeting and
> sitting in the back, not saying a word and then
> going online and abusing her. You should be proud
> of yourselves. Way to not put your names on the
> posts either. I bet you feel so proud when you put
> these types of comments up and then run to your
> little pathetic lives afterwards. It makes me so
> mad to see what is said about such a wonderful
> woman. As you can see I put my name on her because
> I am not afraid who sees it and I fully stand
> behind Liz Bradsher. Her family and friends are
> lucky to be around her and know her and I have
> personally been able to benefit from her good
> grace and wonderful nature. She is a wonderful
> person who deserves respect and praise for the job
> she does. Her children are lucky to have her and
> they are wonderful children thanks to the job she
> has done raising them. They are lucky not to have
> little scared people like yourselves who have no
> power other than coming on a website and
> slandering her name. I hope I never meet you
> people and I'm sure people that have met you feel
> the same way. Trust me, for your sake you hope I
> don't meet you either. Amazing what people can do
> behind a fake name and a website. Go try and be
> half as amazing as a person as she is. I feel bad
> for your children.
Bryan,
She lied. Not once, not twice, but repeatedly to the Clifton Elementary Community as well as to surrounding elementary school communities. Ask the families at Fairview Elementary if they thought with Clifton closing trailers would show up on site or that 50 students from their school would be pushed out to make room for Clifton students. Ask Union Mill Elementary families if they thought their school would be able to absorb over 100 new students and if an over 950 student school at Union Mill was of interest or even considered by Ms. Bradsher in discussions with their members. And Bryan, she continues to lie. When the vote to close Clifton took place we were told "there is room at surrounding schools for the students of Clifton Elementary already in place."
Don't believe me...fine. I have evidence in the form of FOIA'd email messages. I have evidence in the form of photos of the trailers in place at Fairview and put there before the full day K vote even was considered. My personal experience with Ms. Bradsher up to about a week prior to the vote in July of 2010 was similar to yours. Knowing what I know now about Ms. Bradsher, I don't believe anything she says. Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, shame on me!
Ms. Bradsher told the Clifton Elementary community to focus on facts and data....not emotion. Yet, in one of the first interviews with her following the Clifton closure vote she says "No one has told the Clifton community no before." I know that is not fact-based so to me it must be an emotional response from Ms. Bradsher. If she is going to set the rules then she too must play by them. And as voters in Fairfax County it is our responsibility to hold our elected officials responsible for their communications and actions. Her communications in public vs what was shown in her FOIA'd email messages are in complete conflict with one another.
My perspective is based on my own personal experience with Ms. Bradsher. I have made no threats to her in writing, by phone or in person. As a matter of fact, I even rode up the same elevator with her to a meeting at Gatehouse following the Board's vote to close Clifton Elementary without incident and it was just the 2 of us on the elevator. I have also corrected her and others regarding false information she and the Chair of the Fairfax County School Board have put out about me. I believe some of it you can read here in this thread about 10 to 12 pages back.
She is an elected official. She has made some pretty strong blanket claims in public about the Clifton Elementary community that stretches far and wide beyond just the Town limits of Clifton. She has made many false statements in public and to the news media that they are now regurgitating at will. One day she is a Republican, the next day she may be a Democrat and the next day it really doesn't matter what she is, she believes she can be elected without an endorsement. She is a chameleon...and right now we don't need that in Fairfax County.
I want a person of character that I can trust in elected office. I want a person with the guts to tell me to my face that there is no way they could support what I am asking them to instead of stringing me and hundreds of others along for over a year. Unfortunately in my experience, Ms. Bradsher is not the person of character that I seek for all the reasons noted in this post and more....and I want others to know about my experience so they too do not make the same mistake I did when they walk into the voting booth.
-------------------------------------------------------
> To all of you who are on this website slandering
> her name and making up things about her. You
> should be ashamed of yourselves. I consider myself
> lucky for being able to have met Liz and been
> around her for a number of years. She is truly an
> amazing woman and has worked so hard for all she
> has done and for her service to the community. She
> gives everything and all she gets is slander from
> dumbasses like you people. I'm ashamed to live in
> this area with people like you. I can't think of a
> single bad thing to say about Liz Bradsher. Her
> achievements have gone unrecognized and she gives
> up her time to give back to a community that does
> what? Go behind a computer and try to speak ill of
> her and give her a bad name in the community. I
> would like to see anyone of you people try and
> perform the job she does with the same amount of
> dedication and hard work. I'm glad that she is
> able to rise above people like you and do a job
> that I have seen can be very difficult. I'm sure
> you guys have it easy going to the meeting and
> sitting in the back, not saying a word and then
> going online and abusing her. You should be proud
> of yourselves. Way to not put your names on the
> posts either. I bet you feel so proud when you put
> these types of comments up and then run to your
> little pathetic lives afterwards. It makes me so
> mad to see what is said about such a wonderful
> woman. As you can see I put my name on her because
> I am not afraid who sees it and I fully stand
> behind Liz Bradsher. Her family and friends are
> lucky to be around her and know her and I have
> personally been able to benefit from her good
> grace and wonderful nature. She is a wonderful
> person who deserves respect and praise for the job
> she does. Her children are lucky to have her and
> they are wonderful children thanks to the job she
> has done raising them. They are lucky not to have
> little scared people like yourselves who have no
> power other than coming on a website and
> slandering her name. I hope I never meet you
> people and I'm sure people that have met you feel
> the same way. Trust me, for your sake you hope I
> don't meet you either. Amazing what people can do
> behind a fake name and a website. Go try and be
> half as amazing as a person as she is. I feel bad
> for your children.
Bryan,
She lied. Not once, not twice, but repeatedly to the Clifton Elementary Community as well as to surrounding elementary school communities. Ask the families at Fairview Elementary if they thought with Clifton closing trailers would show up on site or that 50 students from their school would be pushed out to make room for Clifton students. Ask Union Mill Elementary families if they thought their school would be able to absorb over 100 new students and if an over 950 student school at Union Mill was of interest or even considered by Ms. Bradsher in discussions with their members. And Bryan, she continues to lie. When the vote to close Clifton took place we were told "there is room at surrounding schools for the students of Clifton Elementary already in place."
Don't believe me...fine. I have evidence in the form of FOIA'd email messages. I have evidence in the form of photos of the trailers in place at Fairview and put there before the full day K vote even was considered. My personal experience with Ms. Bradsher up to about a week prior to the vote in July of 2010 was similar to yours. Knowing what I know now about Ms. Bradsher, I don't believe anything she says. Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, shame on me!
Ms. Bradsher told the Clifton Elementary community to focus on facts and data....not emotion. Yet, in one of the first interviews with her following the Clifton closure vote she says "No one has told the Clifton community no before." I know that is not fact-based so to me it must be an emotional response from Ms. Bradsher. If she is going to set the rules then she too must play by them. And as voters in Fairfax County it is our responsibility to hold our elected officials responsible for their communications and actions. Her communications in public vs what was shown in her FOIA'd email messages are in complete conflict with one another.
My perspective is based on my own personal experience with Ms. Bradsher. I have made no threats to her in writing, by phone or in person. As a matter of fact, I even rode up the same elevator with her to a meeting at Gatehouse following the Board's vote to close Clifton Elementary without incident and it was just the 2 of us on the elevator. I have also corrected her and others regarding false information she and the Chair of the Fairfax County School Board have put out about me. I believe some of it you can read here in this thread about 10 to 12 pages back.
She is an elected official. She has made some pretty strong blanket claims in public about the Clifton Elementary community that stretches far and wide beyond just the Town limits of Clifton. She has made many false statements in public and to the news media that they are now regurgitating at will. One day she is a Republican, the next day she may be a Democrat and the next day it really doesn't matter what she is, she believes she can be elected without an endorsement. She is a chameleon...and right now we don't need that in Fairfax County.
I want a person of character that I can trust in elected office. I want a person with the guts to tell me to my face that there is no way they could support what I am asking them to instead of stringing me and hundreds of others along for over a year. Unfortunately in my experience, Ms. Bradsher is not the person of character that I seek for all the reasons noted in this post and more....and I want others to know about my experience so they too do not make the same mistake I did when they walk into the voting booth.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 27, 2011 11:49PM
For those of you still doubting whether or not the numbers were manipulated to suit FCPS SB purposes, here's a picture I took back in 2009 when this whole thing started. This is the FCPS dashboard, which shows enrollment and capacity data. Take at look at the projected enrollment for CES in the Fall of '09. Hmmm, up 30 students and at 98% capacity. Yet one year later, 100 students went missing from the projected enrollment. WHY? Because they need to lose those students in order to inflate the renovations costs. It's that simple. Declining enrollment, according to whom and prove it. CES had more students this year than last and there are countless younger siblings waiting to attend school in 1-2 years. The picture below was the TRUTH in 2009, but it didn't suit their purposes. So the manipulated the numbers. Any other schools you'd like to see this for? I have every single one that was involved in the SW Regional BS!
Note that I did capture the button on the bottom of my screen with the date in the file name.
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Note that I did capture the button on the bottom of my screen with the date in the file name.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Voter
()
Date: June 28, 2011 07:06AM
Bryan Bayliss Wrote:
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> To all of you who are on this website slandering
> her name and making up things about her. You
> should be ashamed of yourselves.
Nice post, hard to read without paragraph breaks. Now, duck. Most of the Clifton residents posting here are blinded by rage and hate and will surely attack you for that.
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> To all of you who are on this website slandering
> her name and making up things about her. You
> should be ashamed of yourselves.
Nice post, hard to read without paragraph breaks. Now, duck. Most of the Clifton residents posting here are blinded by rage and hate and will surely attack you for that.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Voter
()
Date: June 28, 2011 07:10AM
herewegoagain Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Unfortunately, for the rest of the County, Liz did
> nothing but screw us.
More lies. The county as a whole benefits fiscally from the closure of Clifton ES. OTOH, Clifton kids are inconvenienced by having to go to new schools.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Unfortunately, for the rest of the County, Liz did
> nothing but screw us.
More lies. The county as a whole benefits fiscally from the closure of Clifton ES. OTOH, Clifton kids are inconvenienced by having to go to new schools.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Reader
()
Date: June 28, 2011 07:57AM
FFX Voter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I read the emails and I am not disgusted, but then
> again I am not in Clifton and my school isn't
> closing.
>
> You're right, it's over, no sense to keep all the
> complaining. Time to move on. But, check out the
> comments on the McCartney article, and here. Let's
> face it, Erin, Lindai and Schultz ain't letting
> go.
>
> And facts are still facts. The school was small,
> it's not going to grow due to the watershed/five
> acre lot requirement limiting growth, and it was
> old and needed repairs. While figures can be spun
> to make a case to leave it open, over mid and long
> term time frames it needed to be shuttered. You're
> entitled to your own opinions, but you're not
> entitled to your own facts.
I don't live in Clifton either, but I was disgusted on many levels by Bradsher's behavior. It troubled me that she would pit one group of her constituents against another; that she denigrated those who disagreed with her; that she disrespected her fellow School Board members; that her e-mails suggested that she needed a remedial English course; and that every third or fourth e-mail that she sent contained some reference to buying, consuming or supplying others with booze.
As to your defense of the reasons for closing Clifton, it makes no sense to have recently renovated small, aging schools like Vienna ES and Sherman ES if Clifton was too small and old to warrant county funds. You and I both know that there was something else going on here.
It is too late for a few reporters who haven't done any research to restore Bradsher's reputation with some friendly puff pieces that portray victimized Clifton residents as the bad guys because they are white, potentially Republican and didn't smile politely while Liz screwed them over. To quote others, she is political "TOAST," with the edges burned.
We all deserve much better.
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> I read the emails and I am not disgusted, but then
> again I am not in Clifton and my school isn't
> closing.
>
> You're right, it's over, no sense to keep all the
> complaining. Time to move on. But, check out the
> comments on the McCartney article, and here. Let's
> face it, Erin, Lindai and Schultz ain't letting
> go.
>
> And facts are still facts. The school was small,
> it's not going to grow due to the watershed/five
> acre lot requirement limiting growth, and it was
> old and needed repairs. While figures can be spun
> to make a case to leave it open, over mid and long
> term time frames it needed to be shuttered. You're
> entitled to your own opinions, but you're not
> entitled to your own facts.
I don't live in Clifton either, but I was disgusted on many levels by Bradsher's behavior. It troubled me that she would pit one group of her constituents against another; that she denigrated those who disagreed with her; that she disrespected her fellow School Board members; that her e-mails suggested that she needed a remedial English course; and that every third or fourth e-mail that she sent contained some reference to buying, consuming or supplying others with booze.
As to your defense of the reasons for closing Clifton, it makes no sense to have recently renovated small, aging schools like Vienna ES and Sherman ES if Clifton was too small and old to warrant county funds. You and I both know that there was something else going on here.
It is too late for a few reporters who haven't done any research to restore Bradsher's reputation with some friendly puff pieces that portray victimized Clifton residents as the bad guys because they are white, potentially Republican and didn't smile politely while Liz screwed them over. To quote others, she is political "TOAST," with the edges burned.
We all deserve much better.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
to:FFX Voter
()
Date: June 28, 2011 08:03AM
I think you fail to realize that a lot of kids are inconvenienced by the closing of Clifton ES.
Three schools are now being forced to add more kids and now need trailers.
I guess somewhere everyone just thought it was about a brick building and not about the kids inside the building. Shame on all of you who supported the closing of Clifton. This hurts so many children by forcing them into large classrooms and crowded schools.
Three schools are now being forced to add more kids and now need trailers.
I guess somewhere everyone just thought it was about a brick building and not about the kids inside the building. Shame on all of you who supported the closing of Clifton. This hurts so many children by forcing them into large classrooms and crowded schools.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Voter
()
Date: June 28, 2011 08:57AM
FFX Reader Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> I don't live in Clifton either, but I was
> disgusted on many levels by Bradsher's behavior.
> It troubled me that she would pit one group of her
> constituents against another; that she denigrated
> those who disagreed with her; that she
> disrespected her fellow School Board members; that
> her e-mails suggested that she needed a remedial
> English course; and that every third or fourth
> e-mail that she sent contained some reference to
> buying, consuming or supplying others with booze.
>
> As to your defense of the reasons for closing
> Clifton, it makes no sense to have recently
> renovated small, aging schools like Vienna ES and
> Sherman ES if Clifton was too small and old to
> warrant county funds. You and I both know that
> there was something else going on here.
>
> It is too late for a few reporters who haven't
> done any research to restore Bradsher's reputation
> with some friendly puff pieces that portray
> victimized Clifton residents as the bad guys
> because they are white, potentially Republican and
> didn't smile politely while Liz screwed them over.
> To quote others, she is political "TOAST," with
> the edges burned.
>
> We all deserve much better.
We all, who?
If you're not in Clifton, you are obviously close by and impacted. Or perhaps you just dislike the school board for other reasons. It's too bad the kids will have to be in slightly larger classes, but it made fiscal sense to shutter this school.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> I don't live in Clifton either, but I was
> disgusted on many levels by Bradsher's behavior.
> It troubled me that she would pit one group of her
> constituents against another; that she denigrated
> those who disagreed with her; that she
> disrespected her fellow School Board members; that
> her e-mails suggested that she needed a remedial
> English course; and that every third or fourth
> e-mail that she sent contained some reference to
> buying, consuming or supplying others with booze.
>
> As to your defense of the reasons for closing
> Clifton, it makes no sense to have recently
> renovated small, aging schools like Vienna ES and
> Sherman ES if Clifton was too small and old to
> warrant county funds. You and I both know that
> there was something else going on here.
>
> It is too late for a few reporters who haven't
> done any research to restore Bradsher's reputation
> with some friendly puff pieces that portray
> victimized Clifton residents as the bad guys
> because they are white, potentially Republican and
> didn't smile politely while Liz screwed them over.
> To quote others, she is political "TOAST," with
> the edges burned.
>
> We all deserve much better.
We all, who?
If you're not in Clifton, you are obviously close by and impacted. Or perhaps you just dislike the school board for other reasons. It's too bad the kids will have to be in slightly larger classes, but it made fiscal sense to shutter this school.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Bradsher The Disaster
()
Date: June 28, 2011 09:28AM
It's not just about Clifton, Bradsher voted on the WRONG side of every issue that came before her:
1. She supported Jack Dale's contract renewal. He is a moron and needs to GO ASAP!
2. She not only voted for but was the loudest supporters of GATEHOUSE II-a $125 million administrative building that would have taken up desperately needed bond money that should go to schools-not fancy office buildings
3. Holy cow the woman was only one of two (Rainey) SB members to object to the policy of REDUCING THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP AS A GOAL. How the hell can you oppose that???
4.She has repeatedly, DELIBERATELY LIED about FCPS closing the achievement gap. She is too stupid for words. This has not happened in any of our near 200 schools. She is a liar.
5. She lied repeatedly about Clifton. The water, the enrollment, the cpst per student to renovate and the fact that they would move all 400 students to other schools without needing to spend any money. Liar, liar, liar. She then puts the renovation costs on the bond referendum.
She so needs to leave us forever.
I am seriously thinking about printing bumper stickers, BRADSHER THE DISASTER. They will be available free at local 7-11s.
1. She supported Jack Dale's contract renewal. He is a moron and needs to GO ASAP!
2. She not only voted for but was the loudest supporters of GATEHOUSE II-a $125 million administrative building that would have taken up desperately needed bond money that should go to schools-not fancy office buildings
3. Holy cow the woman was only one of two (Rainey) SB members to object to the policy of REDUCING THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP AS A GOAL. How the hell can you oppose that???
4.She has repeatedly, DELIBERATELY LIED about FCPS closing the achievement gap. She is too stupid for words. This has not happened in any of our near 200 schools. She is a liar.
5. She lied repeatedly about Clifton. The water, the enrollment, the cpst per student to renovate and the fact that they would move all 400 students to other schools without needing to spend any money. Liar, liar, liar. She then puts the renovation costs on the bond referendum.
She so needs to leave us forever.
I am seriously thinking about printing bumper stickers, BRADSHER THE DISASTER. They will be available free at local 7-11s.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 28, 2011 09:50AM
FFX Voter Wrote:
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> We all, who?
>
> If you're not in Clifton, you are obviously close
> by and impacted. Or perhaps you just dislike the
> school board for other reasons. It's too bad the
> kids will have to be in slightly larger classes,
> but it made fiscal sense to shutter this school.
You keep repeating that it made fiscal sense to shutter this school. How so? The facts don't support that claim. Show us your proof. Repeating a lie over and over again doesn't make it true, no matter how many times you say it.
-------------------------------------------------------
> We all, who?
>
> If you're not in Clifton, you are obviously close
> by and impacted. Or perhaps you just dislike the
> school board for other reasons. It's too bad the
> kids will have to be in slightly larger classes,
> but it made fiscal sense to shutter this school.
You keep repeating that it made fiscal sense to shutter this school. How so? The facts don't support that claim. Show us your proof. Repeating a lie over and over again doesn't make it true, no matter how many times you say it.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Reader
()
Date: June 28, 2011 10:02AM
FFX Voter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> We all, who?
>
> If you're not in Clifton, you are obviously close
> by and impacted. Or perhaps you just dislike the
> school board for other reasons. It's too bad the
> kids will have to be in slightly larger classes,
> but it made fiscal sense to shutter this school.
We = the residents, parents and voters of Fairfax County.
My family is personally impacted by the closing of this ES about as little as any family with children in FCPS could be.
However, I do think it impacts us all negatively when we have a School Board that makes bad decisions simply because there is a tradition of deferring to the judgments of individual School Board members such as Liz Bradsher with respect to schools within their district. I also think it impacts us all negatively when we follow one set of policies with respect to small schools in Vienna or McLean, and another set of policies with respect to a small school in Clifton, or build middle schools that aren't really needed in South County when there is capacity at other schools in that area and the money could be spent better elsewhere. Finally, I think it impacts us all negatively when our children see that School Board members behave in private exactly like the "mean girls" that they are told at school not to emulate, cannot compose a sentence in clear English; and suggest repeatedly that alcohol consumption is a wonderful stress-reliever.
Finally, I am not convinced closing Clifton will save money in the long run. The cost per student of renovating Clifton would have been in line with other recent school renovations; the county will have to spend additional money to add trailers or additions to other schools and will incur additional operating costs at each of those schools; and we may very well find ourselves needed to build a new school in that area of the county in a few years.
Your repeated, simple assertions that "closing Clifton made fiscal sense" don't change my mind. That statement has been made repeatedly and rebutted convincingly.
-------------------------------------------------------
> We all, who?
>
> If you're not in Clifton, you are obviously close
> by and impacted. Or perhaps you just dislike the
> school board for other reasons. It's too bad the
> kids will have to be in slightly larger classes,
> but it made fiscal sense to shutter this school.
We = the residents, parents and voters of Fairfax County.
My family is personally impacted by the closing of this ES about as little as any family with children in FCPS could be.
However, I do think it impacts us all negatively when we have a School Board that makes bad decisions simply because there is a tradition of deferring to the judgments of individual School Board members such as Liz Bradsher with respect to schools within their district. I also think it impacts us all negatively when we follow one set of policies with respect to small schools in Vienna or McLean, and another set of policies with respect to a small school in Clifton, or build middle schools that aren't really needed in South County when there is capacity at other schools in that area and the money could be spent better elsewhere. Finally, I think it impacts us all negatively when our children see that School Board members behave in private exactly like the "mean girls" that they are told at school not to emulate, cannot compose a sentence in clear English; and suggest repeatedly that alcohol consumption is a wonderful stress-reliever.
Finally, I am not convinced closing Clifton will save money in the long run. The cost per student of renovating Clifton would have been in line with other recent school renovations; the county will have to spend additional money to add trailers or additions to other schools and will incur additional operating costs at each of those schools; and we may very well find ourselves needed to build a new school in that area of the county in a few years.
Your repeated, simple assertions that "closing Clifton made fiscal sense" don't change my mind. That statement has been made repeatedly and rebutted convincingly.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
name tag thrower
()
Date: June 28, 2011 12:17PM
Let's all not forget the Bradsger Greatest Hits when she hurled her nametag against the wall during a work session.
Would that make a nice YouTube clip or what?
Frankly, I think the woman is nuts.
Would that make a nice YouTube clip or what?
Frankly, I think the woman is nuts.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
I want see that clip
()
Date: June 28, 2011 12:34PM
If a child thew something in class out of anger they would be kicked out of school. Too bad the SB let her be a big baby and stay on the board.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Voter
()
Date: June 28, 2011 12:55PM
FFX Reader Wrote:
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>
> Your repeated, simple assertions that "closing
> Clifton made fiscal sense" don't change my mind.
> That statement has been made repeatedly and
> rebutted convincingly.
Actually, it hasn't. Perhaps to a narrow minded individual such as yourself, but not to the broader constituents of Fairfax County. Based on what we've read; the county taxpayers are better off with the school closed.
Look at this thread, full of cartoons and caricatures. Nothing of substance. And when a high school student posts in support of Liz, Clifton even smears and attacks him. Pitiful, just pitiful.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Your repeated, simple assertions that "closing
> Clifton made fiscal sense" don't change my mind.
> That statement has been made repeatedly and
> rebutted convincingly.
Actually, it hasn't. Perhaps to a narrow minded individual such as yourself, but not to the broader constituents of Fairfax County. Based on what we've read; the county taxpayers are better off with the school closed.
Look at this thread, full of cartoons and caricatures. Nothing of substance. And when a high school student posts in support of Liz, Clifton even smears and attacks him. Pitiful, just pitiful.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 28, 2011 01:28PM
FFX Voter:
A. He's 21 years old. He's old enough to vote, drink and fight in a war. If he wants to defend Ms. Bradsher, that's his right, but it's also our right to show him the error of his ways.
B. Show me the post where he was smeared and prove it was someone from Clifton.
I wished him the best and did so sincerely. He seems like a nice person, albeit a misguided one.
C. Where is the proof that county taxpayers are better off with CES closed.
Clifton residents have shown you the data, data that came directly from FCPS documents. If you fail to read it or comprehend it, there's nothing we can do about that. Since you are so convinced that closing this school is best, then back it up with the data to support that.
Again, repeating the same lies over and over again will not make them true. Show us the proof. We've shown ours. Where is yours?
A. He's 21 years old. He's old enough to vote, drink and fight in a war. If he wants to defend Ms. Bradsher, that's his right, but it's also our right to show him the error of his ways.
B. Show me the post where he was smeared and prove it was someone from Clifton.
I wished him the best and did so sincerely. He seems like a nice person, albeit a misguided one.
C. Where is the proof that county taxpayers are better off with CES closed.
Clifton residents have shown you the data, data that came directly from FCPS documents. If you fail to read it or comprehend it, there's nothing we can do about that. Since you are so convinced that closing this school is best, then back it up with the data to support that.
Again, repeating the same lies over and over again will not make them true. Show us the proof. We've shown ours. Where is yours?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Ut videam
()
Date: June 28, 2011 01:29PM
FFX Voter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Actually, it hasn't. Perhaps to a narrow minded
> individual such as yourself, but not to the
> broader constituents of Fairfax County. Based on
> what we've read; the county taxpayers are better
> off with the school closed.
Who are you to claim to speak for the county taxpayers? I'm one of them, and the numbers I've seen put the lie to the Tistadt/Bradsher contentions that 1) the receiving schools have room for the displaced Clifton Elementary students and 2) the closure will save money.
> Nothing of substance.
False, but apparently you only see what you want to see. And you have the audacity to call others narrow-minded—that's rich.
> And when a high
> school student posts in support of Liz, Clifton
> even smears and attacks him.
Where's your evidence that the "smears" and "attacks" came from someone associated with Clifton, let alone Clifton as a whole?
> Pitiful, just pitiful.
Yes, yes you are.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Actually, it hasn't. Perhaps to a narrow minded
> individual such as yourself, but not to the
> broader constituents of Fairfax County. Based on
> what we've read; the county taxpayers are better
> off with the school closed.
Who are you to claim to speak for the county taxpayers? I'm one of them, and the numbers I've seen put the lie to the Tistadt/Bradsher contentions that 1) the receiving schools have room for the displaced Clifton Elementary students and 2) the closure will save money.
> Nothing of substance.
False, but apparently you only see what you want to see. And you have the audacity to call others narrow-minded—that's rich.
> And when a high
> school student posts in support of Liz, Clifton
> even smears and attacks him.
Where's your evidence that the "smears" and "attacks" came from someone associated with Clifton, let alone Clifton as a whole?
> Pitiful, just pitiful.
Yes, yes you are.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Reader
()
Date: June 28, 2011 01:39PM
FFX Voter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Actually, it hasn't. Perhaps to a narrow minded
> individual such as yourself, but not to the
> broader constituents of Fairfax County. Based on
> what we've read; the county taxpayers are better
> off with the school closed.
>
> Look at this thread, full of cartoons and
> caricatures. Nothing of substance. And when a high
> school student posts in support of Liz, Clifton
> even smears and attacks him. Pitiful, just
> pitiful.
I now see why you're a Bradsher supporter. Someone challenges you on the merits and you resort to personal attacks, while pretending not to see the evidence that rebuts the argument that closing Clifton was an efficient use of county resources.
That's what is truly pitiful, and that's why Liz has redefined what it means to be politically toxic in Fairfax County. Good riddance.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Actually, it hasn't. Perhaps to a narrow minded
> individual such as yourself, but not to the
> broader constituents of Fairfax County. Based on
> what we've read; the county taxpayers are better
> off with the school closed.
>
> Look at this thread, full of cartoons and
> caricatures. Nothing of substance. And when a high
> school student posts in support of Liz, Clifton
> even smears and attacks him. Pitiful, just
> pitiful.
I now see why you're a Bradsher supporter. Someone challenges you on the merits and you resort to personal attacks, while pretending not to see the evidence that rebuts the argument that closing Clifton was an efficient use of county resources.
That's what is truly pitiful, and that's why Liz has redefined what it means to be politically toxic in Fairfax County. Good riddance.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Fore! (4)
()
Date: June 28, 2011 02:16PM
to:FFX Voter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I think you fail to realize that a lot of kids are
> inconvenienced by the closing of Clifton ES.
>
> Three schools are now being forced to add more
> kids and now need trailers.
>
> I guess somewhere everyone just thought it was
> about a brick building and not about the kids
> inside the building. Shame on all of you who
> supported the closing of Clifton. This hurts so
> many children by forcing them into large
> classrooms and crowded schools.
At least 4 are affected, because my family is at Willow Springs and kids are being kicked out of our school because now it is going to be "overcrowded".
Do you think we are happy they closed Clifton and now we have to be kicked out of our school?
The FCPS people told everyone that the other schools wouldn't be affected by them closing Clifton and that this would "fix" overcrowding.
How does it fix the problem if kids have to be leave their schools? Fairview families also have to leave.
This is just one giant mess and now it coming clear that everything FCPS said would not happen is going to anyway.
That is pretty much it. A lie's a lie and this one was huge.
Bradsher isn't the one paying the price, we are.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I think you fail to realize that a lot of kids are
> inconvenienced by the closing of Clifton ES.
>
> Three schools are now being forced to add more
> kids and now need trailers.
>
> I guess somewhere everyone just thought it was
> about a brick building and not about the kids
> inside the building. Shame on all of you who
> supported the closing of Clifton. This hurts so
> many children by forcing them into large
> classrooms and crowded schools.
At least 4 are affected, because my family is at Willow Springs and kids are being kicked out of our school because now it is going to be "overcrowded".
Do you think we are happy they closed Clifton and now we have to be kicked out of our school?
The FCPS people told everyone that the other schools wouldn't be affected by them closing Clifton and that this would "fix" overcrowding.
How does it fix the problem if kids have to be leave their schools? Fairview families also have to leave.
This is just one giant mess and now it coming clear that everything FCPS said would not happen is going to anyway.
That is pretty much it. A lie's a lie and this one was huge.
Bradsher isn't the one paying the price, we are.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
September is going to be a nightmare
()
Date: June 28, 2011 02:25PM
The bus routes and new times for the schools being affected is going to take a long time to figure out.
The FCPS web site does not even have the correct boundary areas posted by address.
FCPS scares me.
The FCPS web site does not even have the correct boundary areas posted by address.
FCPS scares me.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Hark!
()
Date: June 28, 2011 03:06PM
Hark! The Erudite One!
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
oversight board
()
Date: June 28, 2011 04:37PM
can we please get the same for the school board?
save us from the likes of bradsher, smith & strauss!
"Fairfax to consider police oversight board"
By: Leah Fabel | Examiner Staff Writer Follow Her @Lfabel | 06/27/11 8:05 PM
The Fairfax County Board of Supervisors on Tuesday will take up a complaint long brewing in the community that the police department operates without sufficient oversight.
Numerous incidents throughout the past decade have cast question upon the Fairfax police, said Ronald Koch, president of the Virginia Citzens Coalition for Police Accountability.
In February 2008, for example, an officer raced through a red light without her sirens on, hitting and killing a county teacher's aid. The officer later resigned, but not because of the incident. The county awarded the victim's family $1.5 million.
In 2006, an unarmed eye doctor suspected of illegal gambling was shot and killed outside of his home during a police raid. The county prosecutor did not press charges against the officer who fired the shot, but the county later awarded the victim's family $2 million.
"We support the police -- God knows they have a very difficult and at times very dangerous job," Koch said. "But when you go through all of the cases, too many people are being killed with no results."
Koch's organization will push for a citizen review board before the Board of Supervisor's Public Safety Committee. The citizens board would oversee complaints against the police department and investigate misconduct. Currently, allegations of police misconduct are handled internally -- a case of the "police policing the police," Koch said.
Instead of a citizens board, Fairfax County Executive Anthony Griffin has proposed adding a police oversight and review function to the county auditor's office.
Fairfax spokeswoman Merni Fitzgerald said the move would allow for an independent look at alleged police misconduct without the added expense of a new advisory body, and "without"
Fairfax to consider police oversight board | Leah Fabel | Virginia | Washington Examiner
source: Examinerdc
save us from the likes of bradsher, smith & strauss!
"Fairfax to consider police oversight board"
By: Leah Fabel | Examiner Staff Writer Follow Her @Lfabel | 06/27/11 8:05 PM
The Fairfax County Board of Supervisors on Tuesday will take up a complaint long brewing in the community that the police department operates without sufficient oversight.
Numerous incidents throughout the past decade have cast question upon the Fairfax police, said Ronald Koch, president of the Virginia Citzens Coalition for Police Accountability.
In February 2008, for example, an officer raced through a red light without her sirens on, hitting and killing a county teacher's aid. The officer later resigned, but not because of the incident. The county awarded the victim's family $1.5 million.
In 2006, an unarmed eye doctor suspected of illegal gambling was shot and killed outside of his home during a police raid. The county prosecutor did not press charges against the officer who fired the shot, but the county later awarded the victim's family $2 million.
"We support the police -- God knows they have a very difficult and at times very dangerous job," Koch said. "But when you go through all of the cases, too many people are being killed with no results."
Koch's organization will push for a citizen review board before the Board of Supervisor's Public Safety Committee. The citizens board would oversee complaints against the police department and investigate misconduct. Currently, allegations of police misconduct are handled internally -- a case of the "police policing the police," Koch said.
Instead of a citizens board, Fairfax County Executive Anthony Griffin has proposed adding a police oversight and review function to the county auditor's office.
Fairfax spokeswoman Merni Fitzgerald said the move would allow for an independent look at alleged police misconduct without the added expense of a new advisory body, and "without"
Fairfax to consider police oversight board | Leah Fabel | Virginia | Washington Examiner
source: Examinerdc
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Voter
()
Date: June 28, 2011 09:19PM
FFX Reader Wrote:
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> Good riddance.
Exactly the same thing we said to your school.
Final score:
FFX County Taxpayer: 1
Clifton Hate Mongers: 0
Read em and weep Clifton Cafe and friends.
The End.
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> Good riddance.
Exactly the same thing we said to your school.
Final score:
FFX County Taxpayer: 1
Clifton Hate Mongers: 0
Read em and weep Clifton Cafe and friends.
The End.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 28, 2011 10:56PM
as I said on the other thread, Fairfax Voter is spewing as much hate as anyone else, yet fails to provide a single shread of evidence to support his/her allegations. Hypocrite.
People, don't feed the trolls. Besides that, everytime he/she posts on the thread, all they accomplish is to bump it back to the top. Thanks, BTW!
People, don't feed the trolls. Besides that, everytime he/she posts on the thread, all they accomplish is to bump it back to the top. Thanks, BTW!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Voter
()
Date: June 29, 2011 12:28PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
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> Besides that,
> everytime he/she posts on the thread, all they
> accomplish is to bump it back to the top. Thanks,
> BTW!
*Bump*
Bumping this thread does nothing of consequence, yet shows readers the pettiness of Clifton residents. The school board closed the school due to fiscal pressures, yet the town reacted with libel and attacks. It's all here for everyone to see, The Truth.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Besides that,
> everytime he/she posts on the thread, all they
> accomplish is to bump it back to the top. Thanks,
> BTW!
*Bump*
Bumping this thread does nothing of consequence, yet shows readers the pettiness of Clifton residents. The school board closed the school due to fiscal pressures, yet the town reacted with libel and attacks. It's all here for everyone to see, The Truth.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 29, 2011 05:54PM
FFX Voter Wrote:
>
> *Bump*
>
> Bumping this thread does nothing of consequence,
> yet shows readers the pettiness of Clifton
> residents. The school board closed the school due
> to fiscal pressures, yet the town reacted with
> libel and attacks. It's all here for everyone to
> see, The Truth.
you have proof of that? We're still waiting. No? Didn't think so.
Oh yeah, capitalizing "The Truth" doesn't make it any more true than repeating yourself over and over and over and over and over.................
Interesting that you've only posted on this thread in the past 3 days - after the column in the WaPo.
>
> *Bump*
>
> Bumping this thread does nothing of consequence,
> yet shows readers the pettiness of Clifton
> residents. The school board closed the school due
> to fiscal pressures, yet the town reacted with
> libel and attacks. It's all here for everyone to
> see, The Truth.
you have proof of that? We're still waiting. No? Didn't think so.
Oh yeah, capitalizing "The Truth" doesn't make it any more true than repeating yourself over and over and over and over and over.................
Interesting that you've only posted on this thread in the past 3 days - after the column in the WaPo.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
ffx voter is arguing against his position
()
Date: June 29, 2011 06:04PM
FFX Voter - I always though that the Clifton issue could have been handled relatively easily had it been done in a principled way.
If truly the cost of continuing to operate the school was sufficiently prohibitive that a compelling case could have been for closure, then the Board members simply should have made that case concisely and clearly articulated this as the sole rationale for their actions. They then should have moved on. If this indeed were the governing rationale, every darn email could have been released without any problem - the rationale would have been what it was, even if some didn't like it.
But it appears the exact opposite happened. There were water studies and lots of vague statements about them, lots of calls for community feedback, and lots of mushy and overly political (and insincere) communication averring to the fact that listening was taking place. Either the rationale is compelling or it is not, and that case should have been made simply and without excuses.
I suspect the problem here is that the actual motivation here was to cause another school to jump the line in terms of eligibility for school improvements. That is not what most (except for the school receiving the benefits of the jump) people would consider a compelling rationale. No need to debate the point over an over again now but it is understandable that people are upset at they view as less than honorable dealing. (Having said this, the personal attacks on people are not justifiable).
I never understand the behavior of many people in governance positions such as the school board. It is not a sorority house where the goal is to be social and liked by everyone and to receive adulation from the administration. And frankly, in a sophisticated jurisdiction like Fairfax, it takes a significant amount of analytic skill to do the job (e.g., not really a job for a sales or marketing just say yes type). It requires being rigorous and transparent and open in decision making, and requires being able to articulate a fair and well thought out rationale on issues (and surely there will those who disagree no matter what). It is the way to make a putatively difficult job manageable. I don't see much of this kind of thing in action.
I do understand to some extent your views. Move to Fairfax County and cast your lot with the large public school monopoly, and well, it is difficult to maintain that the system, as large as it is and devoted to multiple constituencies, the least of which is often the students themselves, is one that will not often disappoint parents and their kids. At some point we do have to plead to the Clifton folks to be realistic about the entity they are dealing with, like it or not.
What disappoints me about the Board in general is what they do not do. They are not really dedicated to high academic success. They are, as is the case with most suburban school boards, captive to an administration. Can you ever imagine this Board hiring a consultant to help them learn how to evaluate academic progress on their own and without reliance on the input of the administration? Or how about evaluating how students not at TJ or not in the top 20% or so of most of the other high schools as to how truly prepared they are for bona fide, high level and non-remedial university work? I bet the answers would be disappointing. High achieving, high academic discipline kids can do well here, but what about the rest? And how about taking Maria Allen up on her ideas and truly independently investigating why minority scores amidst all of this wealth and income are worse than those in Richmond or the Tidewater area? There is no real independent governance taking place (although I do see it with a few board members). This is the real problem. It is easier for them to build buildings and improve structures. And it is easy to push sports to cause parents to live vicariously through their charges and persuade parents their kids are having a great high school experience. But to probe as to whether excellence (we do have more money and resources here than virtually anywhere else) is truly being achieved? I don't see this in evidence. (TJ speaks for itself, but TJ is largely a function of ridiculously stringent self-selection, and not really replicable).
If truly the cost of continuing to operate the school was sufficiently prohibitive that a compelling case could have been for closure, then the Board members simply should have made that case concisely and clearly articulated this as the sole rationale for their actions. They then should have moved on. If this indeed were the governing rationale, every darn email could have been released without any problem - the rationale would have been what it was, even if some didn't like it.
But it appears the exact opposite happened. There were water studies and lots of vague statements about them, lots of calls for community feedback, and lots of mushy and overly political (and insincere) communication averring to the fact that listening was taking place. Either the rationale is compelling or it is not, and that case should have been made simply and without excuses.
I suspect the problem here is that the actual motivation here was to cause another school to jump the line in terms of eligibility for school improvements. That is not what most (except for the school receiving the benefits of the jump) people would consider a compelling rationale. No need to debate the point over an over again now but it is understandable that people are upset at they view as less than honorable dealing. (Having said this, the personal attacks on people are not justifiable).
I never understand the behavior of many people in governance positions such as the school board. It is not a sorority house where the goal is to be social and liked by everyone and to receive adulation from the administration. And frankly, in a sophisticated jurisdiction like Fairfax, it takes a significant amount of analytic skill to do the job (e.g., not really a job for a sales or marketing just say yes type). It requires being rigorous and transparent and open in decision making, and requires being able to articulate a fair and well thought out rationale on issues (and surely there will those who disagree no matter what). It is the way to make a putatively difficult job manageable. I don't see much of this kind of thing in action.
I do understand to some extent your views. Move to Fairfax County and cast your lot with the large public school monopoly, and well, it is difficult to maintain that the system, as large as it is and devoted to multiple constituencies, the least of which is often the students themselves, is one that will not often disappoint parents and their kids. At some point we do have to plead to the Clifton folks to be realistic about the entity they are dealing with, like it or not.
What disappoints me about the Board in general is what they do not do. They are not really dedicated to high academic success. They are, as is the case with most suburban school boards, captive to an administration. Can you ever imagine this Board hiring a consultant to help them learn how to evaluate academic progress on their own and without reliance on the input of the administration? Or how about evaluating how students not at TJ or not in the top 20% or so of most of the other high schools as to how truly prepared they are for bona fide, high level and non-remedial university work? I bet the answers would be disappointing. High achieving, high academic discipline kids can do well here, but what about the rest? And how about taking Maria Allen up on her ideas and truly independently investigating why minority scores amidst all of this wealth and income are worse than those in Richmond or the Tidewater area? There is no real independent governance taking place (although I do see it with a few board members). This is the real problem. It is easier for them to build buildings and improve structures. And it is easy to push sports to cause parents to live vicariously through their charges and persuade parents their kids are having a great high school experience. But to probe as to whether excellence (we do have more money and resources here than virtually anywhere else) is truly being achieved? I don't see this in evidence. (TJ speaks for itself, but TJ is largely a function of ridiculously stringent self-selection, and not really replicable).
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FFX Voter
()
Date: June 29, 2011 06:21PM
Very well thought out post. I agree with all of your points. There is a lot to improve with our board and the schools. Frankly speaking, perhaps the Clifton decision was not the right course to take, but it will save money and no amount of emotional anger from the community will change that fact.
But what do we do? Knee-jerk react and elect new board members who don't know student success from Adam?
I'll agree we need to look at how FCPS operates, and you can bet that I will look at candidates qualifications closely before voting.
Clifton would have a lot more people like me on their side if they handled this professionally. Tell your point, what's an alternative, how do the costs compare? Instead they'll attack, call me a hater, and simply state I'm wrong and there are no savings to be had from closing the school.
Sugar will catch a lot more flies than vinegar.
Pls excuse typos, I'm posting from a phone.
But what do we do? Knee-jerk react and elect new board members who don't know student success from Adam?
I'll agree we need to look at how FCPS operates, and you can bet that I will look at candidates qualifications closely before voting.
Clifton would have a lot more people like me on their side if they handled this professionally. Tell your point, what's an alternative, how do the costs compare? Instead they'll attack, call me a hater, and simply state I'm wrong and there are no savings to be had from closing the school.
Sugar will catch a lot more flies than vinegar.
Pls excuse typos, I'm posting from a phone.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
bradsher's reach
()
Date: July 03, 2011 11:57AM
Liz may be done, may not be.
She and others on the school board are helping candidates so watch out!
Endorsements:
"Lisa Fagan will make an outstanding member of the Fairfax County School Board. Over the years I served on the Board, Lisa has been a valuable asset, a wealth of knowledge, and a steady, thoughtful advocate for our children. With the many challenges our schools face in the coming years, the citizens and taxpayers of Fairfax County will be well-served by Lisa's leadership. I whole-heartedly endorse Lisa Fagan for an At-Large seat on the Fairfax County School Board."
TESSIE WILSON, BRADDOCK DISTRICT MEMBER FCPS 1999-2011
And Liz Bradsher is helping John Whittman in Springfield.
Who else?
She and others on the school board are helping candidates so watch out!
Endorsements:
"Lisa Fagan will make an outstanding member of the Fairfax County School Board. Over the years I served on the Board, Lisa has been a valuable asset, a wealth of knowledge, and a steady, thoughtful advocate for our children. With the many challenges our schools face in the coming years, the citizens and taxpayers of Fairfax County will be well-served by Lisa's leadership. I whole-heartedly endorse Lisa Fagan for an At-Large seat on the Fairfax County School Board."
TESSIE WILSON, BRADDOCK DISTRICT MEMBER FCPS 1999-2011
And Liz Bradsher is helping John Whittman in Springfield.
Who else?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
interesting story
()
Date: July 03, 2011 12:32PM
One of the school board nominees has dropped out. Ironically, it is one of those who won the FCDC endorsement. Why would someone run when she knew there were criminal charges against her?
http://reston.patch.com/articles/former-school-board-candidate-glassman-facing-criminal-charges-in-dc
http://reston.patch.com/articles/former-school-board-candidate-glassman-facing-criminal-charges-in-dc
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Burke Baby
()
Date: July 03, 2011 02:08PM
interesting story Wrote:
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> One of the school board nominees has dropped out.
> Ironically, it is one of those who won the FCDC
> endorsement. Why would someone run when she knew
> there were criminal charges against her?
>
> http://reston.patch.com/articles/former-school-boa
> rd-candidate-glassman-facing-criminal-charges-in-d
> c
+1
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> One of the school board nominees has dropped out.
> Ironically, it is one of those who won the FCDC
> endorsement. Why would someone run when she knew
> there were criminal charges against her?
>
> http://reston.patch.com/articles/former-school-boa
> rd-candidate-glassman-facing-criminal-charges-in-d
> c
+1
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: July 03, 2011 05:45PM
interesting story Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> One of the school board nominees has dropped out.
> Ironically, it is one of those who won the FCDC
> endorsement. Why would someone run when she knew
> there were criminal charges against her?
>
> http://reston.patch.com/articles/former-school-boa
> rd-candidate-glassman-facing-criminal-charges-in-d
> c
Maybe she hoped the charges would be dismissed or that trial would occur and she would be found innocent.
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> One of the school board nominees has dropped out.
> Ironically, it is one of those who won the FCDC
> endorsement. Why would someone run when she knew
> there were criminal charges against her?
>
> http://reston.patch.com/articles/former-school-boa
> rd-candidate-glassman-facing-criminal-charges-in-d
> c
Maybe she hoped the charges would be dismissed or that trial would occur and she would be found innocent.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: July 03, 2011 05:48PM
bradsher's reach Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz may be done, may not be.
>
> She and others on the school board are helping
> candidates so watch out!
>
> Endorsements:
>
> "Lisa Fagan will make an outstanding member of the
> Fairfax County School Board. Over the years I
> served on the Board, Lisa has been a valuable
> asset, a wealth of knowledge, and a steady,
> thoughtful advocate for our children. With the
> many challenges our schools face in the coming
> years, the citizens and taxpayers of Fairfax
> County will be well-served by Lisa's leadership.
> I whole-heartedly endorse Lisa Fagan for an
> At-Large seat on the Fairfax County School
> Board."
>
> TESSIE WILSON, BRADDOCK DISTRICT MEMBER FCPS
> 1999-2011
Tessie's endorsement could be the kiss of death among Republicans
> And Liz Bradsher is helping John Whittman in
> Springfield.
Why would Bradsher help a Democrat?
Why would Whittman want Bradsher's help? That could be the kiss of death in Springfield.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz may be done, may not be.
>
> She and others on the school board are helping
> candidates so watch out!
>
> Endorsements:
>
> "Lisa Fagan will make an outstanding member of the
> Fairfax County School Board. Over the years I
> served on the Board, Lisa has been a valuable
> asset, a wealth of knowledge, and a steady,
> thoughtful advocate for our children. With the
> many challenges our schools face in the coming
> years, the citizens and taxpayers of Fairfax
> County will be well-served by Lisa's leadership.
> I whole-heartedly endorse Lisa Fagan for an
> At-Large seat on the Fairfax County School
> Board."
>
> TESSIE WILSON, BRADDOCK DISTRICT MEMBER FCPS
> 1999-2011
Tessie's endorsement could be the kiss of death among Republicans
> And Liz Bradsher is helping John Whittman in
> Springfield.
Why would Bradsher help a Democrat?
Why would Whittman want Bradsher's help? That could be the kiss of death in Springfield.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
not Springfield district resident
()
Date: July 03, 2011 05:55PM
Thomas More wrote:
Why would Bradsher help a Democrat?
Why would Whittman want Bradsher's help? That could be the kiss of death in Springfield
Bradsher has indicated lately that she IS a Democrat. She sought the Democrat endorsement and indicated to Patch that she is not a Republican.
She is whatever the politics of the moment suit her. Why would she help Whittman? simple: he is running against her nemesis--Elizabeth Schultz.
Why would Bradsher help a Democrat?
Why would Whittman want Bradsher's help? That could be the kiss of death in Springfield
Bradsher has indicated lately that she IS a Democrat. She sought the Democrat endorsement and indicated to Patch that she is not a Republican.
She is whatever the politics of the moment suit her. Why would she help Whittman? simple: he is running against her nemesis--Elizabeth Schultz.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: July 03, 2011 09:22PM
not Springfield district resident Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bradsher has indicated lately that she IS a
> Democrat. She sought the Democrat endorsement
Never happened. She even withdrew her application for membership in FCDC.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bradsher has indicated lately that she IS a
> Democrat. She sought the Democrat endorsement
Never happened. She even withdrew her application for membership in FCDC.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
a democrat
()
Date: July 03, 2011 11:20PM
Well, who the hell is John Whitman? It's getting pretty late in the game to only learn of candidates on FFU. If he's getting help from Bradsher he doesn't stand a chance.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: July 04, 2011 03:14AM
a democrat Wrote:
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> Well, who the hell is John Whitman? It's getting
> pretty late in the game to only learn of
> candidates on FFU. If he's getting help from
> Bradsher he doesn't stand a chance.
He's the Democratic endorsee for Springfield
-------------------------------------------------------
> Well, who the hell is John Whitman? It's getting
> pretty late in the game to only learn of
> candidates on FFU. If he's getting help from
> Bradsher he doesn't stand a chance.
He's the Democratic endorsee for Springfield
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
notsquaredlarrysabato
()
Date: July 04, 2011 04:10AM
NLS has a whole thread!
Thought we won when Bradsher pulled her app from FCDC. Now this. Crapola. Flushed away this election once we started picking A-L candidates.
http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2011/06/democratic-school-board-shake-up-in-fairfax.html#comments
What happened to Charisse?
Posted by: truthteller | June 30, 2011 at 10:54 PM
http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2011/06/30/latest-democrat-candidate-drama-murderer-for-school-board/
Posted by: D'oh | June 30, 2011 at 11:16 PM
Jeannie Armstrong is a much stronger candidate for at Large.
http://jeanniearmstrong.com/?page_id=533
She has been endorsed by Tina Hone and Greg Brandon. Neither of the other prior candidates will seek the endorsements.
Lola hasn't been seen at an FCDC function in months/years.
Posted by: martinlomasney | July 01, 2011 at 07:17 AM
Why would anyone elect a chair, nevermind a VICE chair?
Posted by: Jack | July 01, 2011 at 08:00 AM
Attachments:
Thought we won when Bradsher pulled her app from FCDC. Now this. Crapola. Flushed away this election once we started picking A-L candidates.
http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2011/06/democratic-school-board-shake-up-in-fairfax.html#comments
What happened to Charisse?
Posted by: truthteller | June 30, 2011 at 10:54 PM
http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2011/06/30/latest-democrat-candidate-drama-murderer-for-school-board/
Posted by: D'oh | June 30, 2011 at 11:16 PM
Jeannie Armstrong is a much stronger candidate for at Large.
http://jeanniearmstrong.com/?page_id=533
She has been endorsed by Tina Hone and Greg Brandon. Neither of the other prior candidates will seek the endorsements.
Lola hasn't been seen at an FCDC function in months/years.
Posted by: martinlomasney | July 01, 2011 at 07:17 AM
Why would anyone elect a chair, nevermind a VICE chair?
Posted by: Jack | July 01, 2011 at 08:00 AM
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
a democrat
()
Date: July 04, 2011 09:21AM
Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> a democrat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well, who the hell is John Whitman? It's
> getting
> > pretty late in the game to only learn of
> > candidates on FFU. If he's getting help from
> > Bradsher he doesn't stand a chance.
>
>
> He's the Democratic endorsee for Springfield
Thanks.
-------------------------------------------------------
> a democrat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well, who the hell is John Whitman? It's
> getting
> > pretty late in the game to only learn of
> > candidates on FFU. If he's getting help from
> > Bradsher he doesn't stand a chance.
>
>
> He's the Democratic endorsee for Springfield
Thanks.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
NotLarrySabato funnies
()
Date: July 05, 2011 12:36AM
Laughed so hard fireworks show out of our rears.
This guy needs to take over for McCartney. Comments a must must must read!
http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2011/06/worst-column-ever.html
"Excuse me, I need to go throw up.
Worst. Column. Ever.
I wonder if the columnist even knew that this elected official has threatened students in the school system or left bizarre and outrageous phone messages for constituents.
Liz Bradsher is a lying freak that neither party wants anything to do with. She is unworthy of sympathy or compassion, because she has routinely failed to show it to her own constituents."
This guy needs to take over for McCartney. Comments a must must must read!
http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2011/06/worst-column-ever.html
"Excuse me, I need to go throw up.
Worst. Column. Ever.
I wonder if the columnist even knew that this elected official has threatened students in the school system or left bizarre and outrageous phone messages for constituents.
Liz Bradsher is a lying freak that neither party wants anything to do with. She is unworthy of sympathy or compassion, because she has routinely failed to show it to her own constituents."
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
SDparents
()
Date: July 05, 2011 10:50PM
Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> a democrat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well, who the hell is John Whitman? It's
> getting
> > pretty late in the game to only learn of
> > candidates on FFU. If he's getting help from
> > Bradsher he doesn't stand a chance.
>
>
> He's the Democratic endorsee for Springfield
I looked at John Wittman's Facebook page. My personal impression is that he looks like a man that wants to get on the School Board for networking and moving up the political ladder. Don't we have enough of that in government right now? Also, FCPS certainly doesn't need any more rubber stamps for Jack Dale which it looks like this guy will definitely be.
We have decided we will be voting for Elizabeth Schultz. Aside from her other qualifications, we feel a Mom with several children currently in the system at different levels is more likely to better represent the overall diversity of the children in our school system and be more open to listening to parents.
-------------------------------------------------------
> a democrat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well, who the hell is John Whitman? It's
> getting
> > pretty late in the game to only learn of
> > candidates on FFU. If he's getting help from
> > Bradsher he doesn't stand a chance.
>
>
> He's the Democratic endorsee for Springfield
I looked at John Wittman's Facebook page. My personal impression is that he looks like a man that wants to get on the School Board for networking and moving up the political ladder. Don't we have enough of that in government right now? Also, FCPS certainly doesn't need any more rubber stamps for Jack Dale which it looks like this guy will definitely be.
We have decided we will be voting for Elizabeth Schultz. Aside from her other qualifications, we feel a Mom with several children currently in the system at different levels is more likely to better represent the overall diversity of the children in our school system and be more open to listening to parents.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
relate
()
Date: July 05, 2011 11:14PM
SDparents Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas More Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > a democrat Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Well, who the hell is John Whitman? It's
> > getting
> > > pretty late in the game to only learn of
> > > candidates on FFU. If he's getting help from
> > > Bradsher he doesn't stand a chance.
> >
> >
> > He's the Democratic endorsee for Springfield
>
>
> I looked at John Wittman's Facebook page. My
> personal impression is that he looks like a man
> that wants to get on the School Board for
> networking and moving up the political ladder.
> Don't we have enough of that in government right
> now? Also, FCPS certainly doesn't need any more
> rubber stamps for Jack Dale which it looks like
> this guy will definitely be.
>
> We have decided we will be voting for Elizabeth
> Schultz. Aside from her other qualifications, we
> feel a Mom with several children currently in the
> system at different levels is more likely to
> better represent the overall diversity of the
> children in our school system and be more open to
> listening to parents.
John Wittman graduated from High School way back in 1965. Therefore, you have to wonder how he can possibly really relate to the issues and concerns of high school students today. In light of many parents current concerns over FCPS disciplinary policy and the suicide of High School student Nick Stuben that point becomes even more relevant.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas More Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > a democrat Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Well, who the hell is John Whitman? It's
> > getting
> > > pretty late in the game to only learn of
> > > candidates on FFU. If he's getting help from
> > > Bradsher he doesn't stand a chance.
> >
> >
> > He's the Democratic endorsee for Springfield
>
>
> I looked at John Wittman's Facebook page. My
> personal impression is that he looks like a man
> that wants to get on the School Board for
> networking and moving up the political ladder.
> Don't we have enough of that in government right
> now? Also, FCPS certainly doesn't need any more
> rubber stamps for Jack Dale which it looks like
> this guy will definitely be.
>
> We have decided we will be voting for Elizabeth
> Schultz. Aside from her other qualifications, we
> feel a Mom with several children currently in the
> system at different levels is more likely to
> better represent the overall diversity of the
> children in our school system and be more open to
> listening to parents.
John Wittman graduated from High School way back in 1965. Therefore, you have to wonder how he can possibly really relate to the issues and concerns of high school students today. In light of many parents current concerns over FCPS disciplinary policy and the suicide of High School student Nick Stuben that point becomes even more relevant.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Animorpher
()
Date: July 05, 2011 11:30PM
Liz Bradsher
The gift that keeps on giving.
Christmas in July.
Attachments:
The gift that keeps on giving.
Christmas in July.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thug-away
()
Date: July 06, 2011 02:34AM
Animorpher Wrote:
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> Liz Bradsher
> The gift that keeps on giving.
>
> Christmas in July.
LMFAO!
Animorpher, where ya' bin?
Laf o' the day and then some!!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz Bradsher
> The gift that keeps on giving.
>
> Christmas in July.
LMFAO!
Animorpher, where ya' bin?
Laf o' the day and then some!!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
this guy gets it
()
Date: July 11, 2011 10:19AM
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
why dat?
()
Date: July 12, 2011 01:11PM
Anyone know the real reason why Bradsher is moving out of her house?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The Real World
()
Date: July 12, 2011 06:09PM
why dat? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Anyone know the real reason why Bradsher is moving
> out of her house?
http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2011/06/worst-column-ever.html
Because people keep leaving too many love notes on her driveway and front porch she can't get in her house anymore?
Just a guess.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Anyone know the real reason why Bradsher is moving
> out of her house?
http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2011/06/worst-column-ever.html
Because people keep leaving too many love notes on her driveway and front porch she can't get in her house anymore?
Just a guess.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The End
()
Date: July 17, 2011 02:21PM
A Fairfax County judge has dismissed a Clifton parent’s lawsuit that accused the School Board of violating the Virginia Freedom of Information Act while deliberating the closure of Clifton Elementary School last year, the school district said Friday.
Looks like were done now, bunch of taxpayer dollars wasted to defend frivolous lawsuits. Fairfax County taxpayers should sue Jill DeMello Hill for court costs.
Looks like were done now, bunch of taxpayer dollars wasted to defend frivolous lawsuits. Fairfax County taxpayers should sue Jill DeMello Hill for court costs.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The End, Part II
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Date: July 17, 2011 10:06PM
Better yet, Fairfax County voters should replace Liz Bradsher with a representative who won't write thousands of asinine e-mails.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Burke Baby
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Date: July 19, 2011 05:45PM
Whilst we frowns on cross-posters, Christmas in July we can't pass up.
Liz Bradsher, the gift that keeps on giving.
(like bad egg salad)
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/628170/628562.html#msg-628562
Spartan Zeidy Wrote:
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> Dr. Phil Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Clifton ES is history. The Little Red
> Schoolhouse
> > sleeps with the fishes. Go away. Just go away
> > quickly. FFX County is full of stay-at-home,
> > do-nothing, scrapbooking-for-excitement, bored,
> > frustrated moms who seek the most futile causes
> to
> > gaggle about. I see them at the Starbucks
> every
> > morning. And, puh-lease stop wearing lycra
> > stretch-pants. Yuk!
>
>
> Just be careful not to go to "Liz's Starbucks".
>
> This you cannot make up. This raving lunatic
> Bradsher comes into our neighborhood Starbucks and
> starts screaming at people there having a cup of
> coffee who she must have known were from Clifton.
>
>
> "What are you doing in MY Starbucks?" Liz yells at
> them.
>
> Great retort from one who says "Liz, we didn't
> know you bought a Starbucks."
>
> More ranting. She actually screamed out loud to
> ask if they were stalking her.
>
> Nice way to ruin our local Starbucks, you Shtunk!
>
> What, you own the county?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um43whradwY
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Liz Bradsher, the gift that keeps on giving.
(like bad egg salad)
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/628170/628562.html#msg-628562
Spartan Zeidy Wrote:
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> Dr. Phil Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Clifton ES is history. The Little Red
> Schoolhouse
> > sleeps with the fishes. Go away. Just go away
> > quickly. FFX County is full of stay-at-home,
> > do-nothing, scrapbooking-for-excitement, bored,
> > frustrated moms who seek the most futile causes
> to
> > gaggle about. I see them at the Starbucks
> every
> > morning. And, puh-lease stop wearing lycra
> > stretch-pants. Yuk!
>
>
> Just be careful not to go to "Liz's Starbucks".
>
> This you cannot make up. This raving lunatic
> Bradsher comes into our neighborhood Starbucks and
> starts screaming at people there having a cup of
> coffee who she must have known were from Clifton.
>
>
> "What are you doing in MY Starbucks?" Liz yells at
> them.
>
> Great retort from one who says "Liz, we didn't
> know you bought a Starbucks."
>
> More ranting. She actually screamed out loud to
> ask if they were stalking her.
>
> Nice way to ruin our local Starbucks, you Shtunk!
>
> What, you own the county?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um43whradwY
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Blame Liz
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Date: July 19, 2011 06:18PM
She started this mess. It is all her fault.
I am glad parents are standing up against the FCPS when they think they deserve better for their kids.
I am glad parents are standing up against the FCPS when they think they deserve better for their kids.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Grossed Out Granny
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Date: July 19, 2011 08:18PM
If we didn't know how vile this woman was, it would seem impossible that she could yell at people in public.
Where were you kids with your flip video recorders or phones with video cameras?
Isn't this verbal assault?
Where were you kids with your flip video recorders or phones with video cameras?
Isn't this verbal assault?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
She is super freak
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Date: July 19, 2011 09:11PM
I think she scared them so bad they were too shocked to get out their phones or record her.
She is so mean. She has no right to be in charge of kids futures.
She is so mean. She has no right to be in charge of kids futures.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WS2186
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Date: July 20, 2011 02:16AM
Liz "what are you doing in my Starbucks" Bradsher
Starbucks + Gatehouse
Stargate?
The nasty show continued at Gatehouse after the work session this week.
Liz got to yelling at some woman (one of them running for school board) who was talking to the Fairfax High School principal.
She kept at it over and over even though it looked like they were trying to walk away.
Liz was real wound up. It wasn't good at all.
Starbucks + Gatehouse
Stargate?
The nasty show continued at Gatehouse after the work session this week.
Liz got to yelling at some woman (one of them running for school board) who was talking to the Fairfax High School principal.
She kept at it over and over even though it looked like they were trying to walk away.
Liz was real wound up. It wasn't good at all.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
the lost weekend
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Date: July 20, 2011 08:34AM
Burke Baby Wrote:
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> > Just be careful not to go to "Liz's Starbucks".
> >
When did Starbucks start having happy hour?
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> > Just be careful not to go to "Liz's Starbucks".
> >
When did Starbucks start having happy hour?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
RamParents
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Date: July 20, 2011 11:41AM
the lost weekend Wrote:
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> Burke Baby Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > > Just be careful not to go to "Liz's
> Starbucks".
> > >
>
> When did Starbucks start having happy hour?
+1
BWWWAAAAA HAAAAAAA!
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> Burke Baby Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > > Just be careful not to go to "Liz's
> Starbucks".
> > >
>
> When did Starbucks start having happy hour?
+1
BWWWAAAAA HAAAAAAA!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
and there you have it
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Date: July 20, 2011 01:26PM
1. Costs you a fortune, is bitter and burnt plus impossible to communicate with --
A. Starbucks
B. Liz Bradsher
C. Both A & B
Attachments:
A. Starbucks
B. Liz Bradsher
C. Both A & B
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
question about the witch
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Date: July 20, 2011 02:52PM
Has her house sold yet? So many people can't wait for her to leave Virginia.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thug-away
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Date: July 20, 2011 04:57PM
question about the witch Wrote:
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> Has her house sold yet? So many people can't wait
> for her to leave Virginia.
Bad news.
She ain't leaving.
Moved but not gone.
Have you tried this?
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> Has her house sold yet? So many people can't wait
> for her to leave Virginia.
Bad news.
She ain't leaving.
Moved but not gone.
Have you tried this?
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
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Date: July 20, 2011 05:05PM
rumor has it that she's already moved, into the Lake Braddock HS pyramid. Too bad she didn't leave the state, or at least the county.
I feel sorry for her new neighbors.
My question is why did she leave SOCO? OR, (and no, I don't know where she is living now nor do I want to, this is pure speculation) did she move to a neighborhood that she wants moved to SOCO MS when it opens??? There are several neighborhoods in that area that currently attend LBSS, yet are closer to SOCO. Food for thought.
I feel sorry for her new neighbors.
My question is why did she leave SOCO? OR, (and no, I don't know where she is living now nor do I want to, this is pure speculation) did she move to a neighborhood that she wants moved to SOCO MS when it opens??? There are several neighborhoods in that area that currently attend LBSS, yet are closer to SOCO. Food for thought.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
November yet?
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Date: July 22, 2011 10:05PM
Longing for November; it can't come soon enough! Thank heaven we have strong candidates that won't, as Brian says, stab us in the back like Liz Bradsher did.
July FCRC Meeting Recap and Republican School Board at-Large endorsements
July 21, 2011
Brian Schoeneman
For those who haven’t seen the news yet, the Fairfax County Republican Committee handed down our At-Large School Board endorsements last night. The endorsed candidates are Dr. Lolita Mancheno-Smoak, Lin-Dai Kendall and Sheree Brown-Kaplan. The FCRC meeting, which ran about two hours not including the social hour, provided our members with a chance to hear from all of our State Senate candidates, representatives from our statewide elected officials, Supervisors Pat Herrity and John Cook, School Board member Patty Reed and yours truly.
It was my first time addressing the Committee since I got the Republican nomination and it was an impromptu speech – FCRC Chairman Anthony Bedell just started calling folks up to talk to fill time while the hundreds of votes for our School Board candidates were being tallied. The crowd had gotten a bunch of stump speeches already that night, so I decided to veer off from mine and talk about how Republicans have the momentum moving forward this November. We’ve been able to really bring the battle to the Democrats, particularly in the State Senate, where we are challenging 35 of 40 seats. I did my best to wake up the crowd!
I’m pleased with the result of the vote yesterday. We have nominated three solid school board candidates, all of whom I trust are Republicans and won’t stab us in the back like Liz Bradsher did. Besides the hyphenated names, these three women have in common a passion for our kids and history of hard work and activism that will go far to solving the problems we deal with here in Fairfax. We have got a great chance of electing a School Board that will represent the interests of their constituents, not the school system, and I’m looking forward to working with and campaigning alongside Lolita, Lin-Dai and Sheree as we all head towards November.
July FCRC Meeting Recap and Republican School Board at-Large endorsements
July 21, 2011
Brian Schoeneman
For those who haven’t seen the news yet, the Fairfax County Republican Committee handed down our At-Large School Board endorsements last night. The endorsed candidates are Dr. Lolita Mancheno-Smoak, Lin-Dai Kendall and Sheree Brown-Kaplan. The FCRC meeting, which ran about two hours not including the social hour, provided our members with a chance to hear from all of our State Senate candidates, representatives from our statewide elected officials, Supervisors Pat Herrity and John Cook, School Board member Patty Reed and yours truly.
It was my first time addressing the Committee since I got the Republican nomination and it was an impromptu speech – FCRC Chairman Anthony Bedell just started calling folks up to talk to fill time while the hundreds of votes for our School Board candidates were being tallied. The crowd had gotten a bunch of stump speeches already that night, so I decided to veer off from mine and talk about how Republicans have the momentum moving forward this November. We’ve been able to really bring the battle to the Democrats, particularly in the State Senate, where we are challenging 35 of 40 seats. I did my best to wake up the crowd!
I’m pleased with the result of the vote yesterday. We have nominated three solid school board candidates, all of whom I trust are Republicans and won’t stab us in the back like Liz Bradsher did. Besides the hyphenated names, these three women have in common a passion for our kids and history of hard work and activism that will go far to solving the problems we deal with here in Fairfax. We have got a great chance of electing a School Board that will represent the interests of their constituents, not the school system, and I’m looking forward to working with and campaigning alongside Lolita, Lin-Dai and Sheree as we all head towards November.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Yupper
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Date: July 22, 2011 11:31PM
Repubs are getting beat up based on the Tea Party wanting the country to default, sentiment sure to affect local races too. Only time will tell.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Starbucks
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Date: July 23, 2011 01:11PM
Any attacks at Starbucks this morning? Or was Liz sleeping off the booze from last night?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
blech
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Date: July 23, 2011 05:41PM
Starbucks Wrote:
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> Any attacks at Starbucks this morning? Or was Liz
> sleeping off the booze from last night?
Only ones in Starbucks were some of Erin's Clifton Cafe ex-customers, tired of getting salmonella at the roach infested health department failure.
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> Any attacks at Starbucks this morning? Or was Liz
> sleeping off the booze from last night?
Only ones in Starbucks were some of Erin's Clifton Cafe ex-customers, tired of getting salmonella at the roach infested health department failure.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
blech-ier
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Date: July 23, 2011 11:55PM
Lizzie:
You were banished.
You don't learn.
We KNOW WHEN YOU post.
Everyone knows when you come in a coffee shop or parking garage, because you can't help acting like a rabid lunatic.
When they found out YOU were the one moving in, it started a full out blight on the neighborhood.
Soon to appear is this welcome banner -
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You were banished.
You don't learn.
We KNOW WHEN YOU post.
Everyone knows when you come in a coffee shop or parking garage, because you can't help acting like a rabid lunatic.
When they found out YOU were the one moving in, it started a full out blight on the neighborhood.
Soon to appear is this welcome banner -
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Taxpayer1
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Date: July 24, 2011 10:19PM
You are obsessed with Liz and have paranoid delusions. Please seek help.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
By the #s
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Date: July 25, 2011 06:31AM
# of FCPS employees as of January 2011
25,176
# of FCPS School Board Members
12
# of days to Election
106
(Bonus - # of FCPS School Board Member who know how many School Board Members there are)
11
25,176
# of FCPS School Board Members
12
# of days to Election
106
(Bonus - # of FCPS School Board Member who know how many School Board Members there are)
11
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
By the #s
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Date: July 25, 2011 06:37AM
Correction: # is 25,201
# of FCPS employees as of January 2011
25,201
# of FCPS School Board Members
12
# of days to Election
106
Bonus -
(# of FCPS School Board Members who know how many School Board Members there are)
11
# of FCPS employees as of January 2011
25,201
# of FCPS School Board Members
12
# of days to Election
106
Bonus -
(# of FCPS School Board Members who know how many School Board Members there are)
11
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
did the witch sell her house yet?
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Date: July 25, 2011 01:15PM
God help the community she moves into.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
latest
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Date: August 26, 2011 03:16PM
What's Lizzie up to these days?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
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Date: September 02, 2011 01:46AM
latest Wrote:
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> What's Lizzie up to these days?
She is still on the School Board through the end of December this year. Does anyone know if she filed to run for an at-large seat on the school board or for any other political office? I want a chance to educate her future constituents on her "stellar" representation of her local community.
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> What's Lizzie up to these days?
She is still on the School Board through the end of December this year. Does anyone know if she filed to run for an at-large seat on the school board or for any other political office? I want a chance to educate her future constituents on her "stellar" representation of her local community.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
BOT
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Date: September 02, 2011 07:24AM
Bradsher is not running for anything this year. Like half the current crop of SB members, her reign of incompetent cronyism has finally caught up to her and all 8 know they'd lose in a landslide. Some, like Kathy Smith are sticking it out to the end and are making voters prove they are ready for a new SB with new ethics and new morals. Jack Dale, school board killer. Hopefully, the new board will NOT extend his contract and make him go get a real job.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hecky
()
Date: September 02, 2011 03:26PM
Who would vote for or hire Liz Bradsher, or Jack Dale? Why do some people think that because they were employed or elected once, that it establishes a track record that somehow entitles them to move onwards and upwards? I don't think I could trust either one of these bozos to house or dog sit. They lack the INTEGRITY.
Someone untainted by greed/personal political ambitions would be refreshing. Someone who doesn't have the jollies to become a big shot.
Someone untainted by greed/personal political ambitions would be refreshing. Someone who doesn't have the jollies to become a big shot.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
VoterInNov
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Date: September 03, 2011 03:45PM
hecky Wrote:
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> Who would vote for or hire Liz Bradsher, or Jack
> Dale? Why do some people think that because they
> were employed or elected once, that it establishes
> a track record that somehow entitles them to move
> onwards and upwards? I don't think I could trust
> either one of these bozos to house or dog sit.
> They lack the INTEGRITY.
>
> Someone untainted by greed/personal political
> ambitions would be refreshing. Someone who
> doesn't have the jollies to become a big shot.
Louise Epstein is awesome. I hope she knocks Jane Strauss off the Board.
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> Who would vote for or hire Liz Bradsher, or Jack
> Dale? Why do some people think that because they
> were employed or elected once, that it establishes
> a track record that somehow entitles them to move
> onwards and upwards? I don't think I could trust
> either one of these bozos to house or dog sit.
> They lack the INTEGRITY.
>
> Someone untainted by greed/personal political
> ambitions would be refreshing. Someone who
> doesn't have the jollies to become a big shot.
Louise Epstein is awesome. I hope she knocks Jane Strauss off the Board.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
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Date: September 03, 2011 04:07PM
Who is running against Kathy Smith? She needs to go too.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
response
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Date: September 04, 2011 12:44PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
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> Who is running against Kathy Smith? She needs to
> go too.
Sheila Ratnam is running against Kathy Smith. www.SheilaRatnam.org
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> Who is running against Kathy Smith? She needs to
> go too.
Sheila Ratnam is running against Kathy Smith. www.SheilaRatnam.org
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
one point
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Date: September 04, 2011 05:19PM
did the witch sell her house yet? Wrote:
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> God help the community she moves into.
God help the community you live in, hateful person that you are.
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> God help the community she moves into.
God help the community you live in, hateful person that you are.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: September 04, 2011 06:32PM
one point Wrote:
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> did the witch sell her house yet? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > God help the community she moves into.
>
> God help the community you live in, hateful person
> that you are.
So long as she stays out of elected office I think all will be better. We already have enough politicians that talk out of both sides of their mouth and outright lie to their constituents. Not hate, just the truth.
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> did the witch sell her house yet? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > God help the community she moves into.
>
> God help the community you live in, hateful person
> that you are.
So long as she stays out of elected office I think all will be better. We already have enough politicians that talk out of both sides of their mouth and outright lie to their constituents. Not hate, just the truth.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
nice neighbors
()
Date: September 04, 2011 08:31PM
Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> one point Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > did the witch sell her house yet? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > God help the community she moves into.
> >
> > God help the community you live in, hateful
> person
> > that you are.
>
> Not
> hate, just the truth.
If he/she lives near you, you can keep her. I'd rather have pleasant folks near me who don't hold grudges forever and know when to move on.
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> one point Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > did the witch sell her house yet? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > God help the community she moves into.
> >
> > God help the community you live in, hateful
> person
> > that you are.
>
> Not
> hate, just the truth.
If he/she lives near you, you can keep her. I'd rather have pleasant folks near me who don't hold grudges forever and know when to move on.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: September 20, 2011 10:41PM
Seems Liz will be exiting politics for a while. Probably just long enough for memories of her stellar leadership on the School Board to fade.
On a brighter note I think her promise to West Springfield for renovation funds could be sliding off kilter as the noise about the public voting down the upcoming bond referendum grows.
All I can say is "Just say no!"
On a brighter note I think her promise to West Springfield for renovation funds could be sliding off kilter as the noise about the public voting down the upcoming bond referendum grows.
All I can say is "Just say no!"
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
WSHS1981
()
Date: September 20, 2011 11:02PM
Met Schultz gal running tonight at WSHS and asked her several quick questions since I was running late. Was right on the money with answers and ended up quite impressed. The other guy is the short straw in the bunch. Did not think I would make it to back to school tonight due to traffic but glad I stuck it out.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mrs Nasty
()
Date: September 21, 2011 10:17AM
I heard Bradsher was her usual hateful self at Silverbrooks BTSN.
She chewed out some 9 year old girl handing out campaign lit for Schultz and Bradsher made the kid cry.
That evil woman needs an exorcism.
She chewed out some 9 year old girl handing out campaign lit for Schultz and Bradsher made the kid cry.
That evil woman needs an exorcism.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Proud Military Mom
()
Date: September 21, 2011 10:29AM
Linked IN keeps suggesting a connection.
Want to be Linked OUT.
Friend saw the exchange at Silverbrook and described it as atrocious.
Attachments:
Want to be Linked OUT.
Friend saw the exchange at Silverbrook and described it as atrocious.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thomas More
()
Date: September 21, 2011 07:32PM
Mrs Nasty Wrote:
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> I heard Bradsher was her usual hateful self at Silverbrooks BTSN.<
>
> She chewed out some 9 year old girl handing out campaign lit for Schultz and Bradsher made the kid cry.<
>
> That evil woman needs an exorcism.<
Is it any wonder Ben Tribbet calls her the "South County Bitch?"
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> I heard Bradsher was her usual hateful self at Silverbrooks BTSN.<
>
> She chewed out some 9 year old girl handing out campaign lit for Schultz and Bradsher made the kid cry.<
>
> That evil woman needs an exorcism.<
Is it any wonder Ben Tribbet calls her the "South County Bitch?"
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
runner
()
Date: September 21, 2011 08:58PM
WSHS1981 Wrote:
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> Met Schultz gal running tonight at WSHS
Good for her, she could stand to lose a few pounds. Was her chubby hubby running too?
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> Met Schultz gal running tonight at WSHS
Good for her, she could stand to lose a few pounds. Was her chubby hubby running too?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Thug-away
()
Date: October 05, 2011 11:31AM
Proud Military Mom Wrote:
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> Linked IN keeps suggesting a connection.
> Want to be Linked OUT.
>
> Friend saw the exchange at Silverbrook and
> described it as atrocious.
Would have thought their HOA would have had some Thug-away provision.
There goes the neighborhood.
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> Linked IN keeps suggesting a connection.
> Want to be Linked OUT.
>
> Friend saw the exchange at Silverbrook and
> described it as atrocious.
Would have thought their HOA would have had some Thug-away provision.
There goes the neighborhood.
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Fuck Off Thug-Away
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Date: October 05, 2011 03:44PM
Fuck off asshole. No one cares.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Glad I do not in Roseland
()
Date: October 05, 2011 04:09PM
I feel sorry for the neighbors.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: October 05, 2011 04:50PM
Fuck Off Thug-Away Wrote:
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> Fuck off asshole. No one cares.
Until a new Springfield District school board rep is sworn in, we should care. Hypocrisy hurts where revealed in public, doesn't it?
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> Fuck off asshole. No one cares.
Until a new Springfield District school board rep is sworn in, we should care. Hypocrisy hurts where revealed in public, doesn't it?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Grossed Out Granny
()
Date: October 05, 2011 05:12PM
Fuck Off Thug-Away Wrote:
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> Fuck off asshole. No one cares.
Maddie:
The people who are represented or supposed to be represented by someone in elected office care.
You need your mouth washed out with soap.
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> Fuck off asshole. No one cares.
Maddie:
The people who are represented or supposed to be represented by someone in elected office care.
You need your mouth washed out with soap.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Granny
()
Date: October 05, 2011 06:07PM
How's this for you? Mind your own FUCKING business.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Granny is mean
()
Date: October 05, 2011 06:41PM
Granny=Liz
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Some Fixer Upper!
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Date: October 06, 2011 11:47AM
Wow, is that $945,000 house on Thorn Bush Drive the "fixer upper" Lizzy B. was looking for? Well, it has a sauna, so maybe all it needs is a pool to be up to snuff. Interesting that she bought it (in her own name) 2 days after she emailed Patty Reed that she "and her husband" were "thinking of moving" but could not find anything in Clifton for less than $1.2M. What a crock! And what a hypocrite!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
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response to Some Fixer Upper!
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Date: October 06, 2011 11:52AM
I'm no fan of Bradsher--but she wrote to Patty in 2010--she bought the house in 2011!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FBomber
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Date: October 06, 2011 11:54AM
Maddie, by your language, it is evident that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Fixer Upper
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Date: October 06, 2011 11:57AM
@ Rsponse to Some fixer Upper: Thanks, you are correct about the dates! My real point was that her new estate is no fixer upper!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Funny!
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Date: October 06, 2011 11:57AM
M Bradsher should get a life. She sounds just like her bitch of a mom so we all know it will never happen.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Get a Life
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Date: October 06, 2011 01:06PM
Actually this isn't Liz Bradsher's daughter who has been posting. I'm a county resident who thinks you people should stop bitching and obsessing about her. You all are sick individuals and should probably get checked out.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
JBass
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Date: October 06, 2011 01:14PM
Maddie Bradsher - Hot or Not?
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/647303/668171.html#msg-668171
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/647303/668171.html#msg-668171
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Gonads & Strife
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Date: October 06, 2011 01:19PM
Worth a sure-thing sloppy drunken fuck...just like her mother was at her age, i'll bet (especially the drunk part).
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Greeny
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Date: October 06, 2011 04:19PM
Thomas More Wrote:
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> Mrs Nasty Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I heard Bradsher was her usual hateful self at
> Silverbrooks BTSN.<
> >
> > She chewed out some 9 year old girl handing out
> campaign lit for Schultz and Bradsher made the kid
> cry.<
> >
> > That evil woman needs an exorcism.<
>
> Is it any wonder Ben Tribbet calls her the "South
> County Bitch?"
Ben Tribbet calls Bradsher the South County Bitch.
Then he calls Megan McLaughlin the New Liz Bradsher.
Then he writes about Megan's lies.
Then he endorses her.
WTF?
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> Mrs Nasty Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I heard Bradsher was her usual hateful self at
> Silverbrooks BTSN.<
> >
> > She chewed out some 9 year old girl handing out
> campaign lit for Schultz and Bradsher made the kid
> cry.<
> >
> > That evil woman needs an exorcism.<
>
> Is it any wonder Ben Tribbet calls her the "South
> County Bitch?"
Ben Tribbet calls Bradsher the South County Bitch.
Then he calls Megan McLaughlin the New Liz Bradsher.
Then he writes about Megan's lies.
Then he endorses her.
WTF?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Not Larry Sabato
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Date: October 06, 2011 08:38PM
Greeny Wrote:
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> Ben Tribbet calls Bradsher the South County
> Bitch.
> Then he calls Megan McLaughlin the New Liz
> Bradsher.
> Then he writes about Megan's lies.
> Then he endorses her.
> WTF?
Tribbet is a fraud and a hack.
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> Ben Tribbet calls Bradsher the South County
> Bitch.
> Then he calls Megan McLaughlin the New Liz
> Bradsher.
> Then he writes about Megan's lies.
> Then he endorses her.
> WTF?
Tribbet is a fraud and a hack.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
You've been warned
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Date: October 08, 2011 12:37AM
'tis the season
beware of witches bearing campaign signs
Attachments:
beware of witches bearing campaign signs
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
hypocrite
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Date: November 01, 2011 08:47PM
Can you believe that Bradsher just bought a house that has... a well? After telling Clifton parents how bad wells were for their children?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
GETALIFE
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Date: November 01, 2011 09:28PM
The wells at her house probably aren't contaminated you asshole.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
herewegoagain
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Date: November 01, 2011 11:06PM
Neither are the wells at CES.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
yes!!!!
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Date: November 02, 2011 06:47AM
herewegoagain Wrote:
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> Neither are the wells at CES.
That's not what you said when your little rug rats were sucking down bottled water on the taxpayer dime. The water is fine ONLY after the school was slotted for closure.
Hypocrites, the lot of you.
the Lorenze team.
.
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> Neither are the wells at CES.
That's not what you said when your little rug rats were sucking down bottled water on the taxpayer dime. The water is fine ONLY after the school was slotted for closure.
Hypocrites, the lot of you.
Don't Vote for Kendall or Schultz!
the Lorenze team.
.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
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Date: November 02, 2011 11:52AM
yes!!!! Wrote:
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> herewegoagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Neither are the wells at CES.
>
> That's not what you said when your little rug rats
> were sucking down bottled water on the taxpayer
> dime. The water is fine ONLY after the school was
> slotted for closure.
>
> Hypocrites, the lot of you.
>
> Don't Vote for Kendall or Schultz!
FCPS put the school on bottled water, not the student families. If FCPS had put in place the well solution suggested by the state years ago, the problem would have been solved long before any discussion of closing the school ever came up. As it stands, FCPS put in place the state recommended solution in time for the clean water quality tests to come back the day of the closure vote. Coincidence? Highly doubt it.
Get your facts straight before you sling more crap at folks that aren't nearly as arrogant as you make them out to be.
> the Lorenze team.
>
> .
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> herewegoagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Neither are the wells at CES.
>
> That's not what you said when your little rug rats
> were sucking down bottled water on the taxpayer
> dime. The water is fine ONLY after the school was
> slotted for closure.
>
> Hypocrites, the lot of you.
>
> Don't Vote for Kendall or Schultz!
FCPS put the school on bottled water, not the student families. If FCPS had put in place the well solution suggested by the state years ago, the problem would have been solved long before any discussion of closing the school ever came up. As it stands, FCPS put in place the state recommended solution in time for the clean water quality tests to come back the day of the closure vote. Coincidence? Highly doubt it.
Get your facts straight before you sling more crap at folks that aren't nearly as arrogant as you make them out to be.
> the Lorenze team.
>
> .
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mommy Lion
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Date: November 02, 2011 01:39PM
Parent and residents said there was no issue with the water. It was FCPS who kept the results secret until the night of the meeting when the School Board voted.
No public discussion. No School Board discussion.
Then again, it wasn't necessary since the decision had already been made.
Everything the public said would be a consequence of the closure has happened.
The public was right. The School Board was wrong.
It's just that simple.
No public discussion. No School Board discussion.
Then again, it wasn't necessary since the decision had already been made.
Everything the public said would be a consequence of the closure has happened.
The public was right. The School Board was wrong.
It's just that simple.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Nope11
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Date: November 02, 2011 07:10PM
School Board was right. That simple.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Perhaps Rabbit
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Date: November 02, 2011 07:43PM
Nope11 Wrote:
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> School Board was right. That simple.
We'll see next week. If it's a landslide for the anti-incumbent candidates, looks like the voters, who have the final say on who's right and who's not will say, simply, they were wrong. If someone like Kathy Smith loses, it can be pinned directly to her collusion with this vote and the shenanigans of this current board. If she wins, it was a fleeting issue that came and went.
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> School Board was right. That simple.
We'll see next week. If it's a landslide for the anti-incumbent candidates, looks like the voters, who have the final say on who's right and who's not will say, simply, they were wrong. If someone like Kathy Smith loses, it can be pinned directly to her collusion with this vote and the shenanigans of this current board. If she wins, it was a fleeting issue that came and went.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Nope11
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Date: November 02, 2011 07:57PM
Fairfax County isn't made up of Clifton. The School Board was right.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The 99%
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Date: November 02, 2011 08:00PM
Closing Clifton made sense. Now, let’s move on.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Move the right way
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Date: November 02, 2011 09:00PM
It didn't make sense, but let's move on anyway. And let's not have something like this happen again.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Nope11
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Date: November 02, 2011 10:49PM
Nope it made sense. Ok we can move on.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
To former CES parents
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Date: November 03, 2011 10:32AM
Has the transition to the new schools been as bad as expected? What are some of the negative impacts that have occured?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Mmmaybe
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Date: November 03, 2011 10:51AM
The 99% Wrote:
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> Closing Clifton made sense. Now, let’s move on.
Maybe it did make sense, but it was handled very badly. FCPS school board orchestrated it in a very devious, underhanded, and repugnant manner. They misused their positions as representatives of Fairfax County residents and branded anyone who questioned their pattern of deceit as the enemy. Very dangerous, paranoid behavior. How Bradsher, Tisdadt, and crew wake up and live with themselves each day amazes me.
I'm not in Clifton, btw.
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> Closing Clifton made sense. Now, let’s move on.
Maybe it did make sense, but it was handled very badly. FCPS school board orchestrated it in a very devious, underhanded, and repugnant manner. They misused their positions as representatives of Fairfax County residents and branded anyone who questioned their pattern of deceit as the enemy. Very dangerous, paranoid behavior. How Bradsher, Tisdadt, and crew wake up and live with themselves each day amazes me.
I'm not in Clifton, btw.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
redistricting
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Date: November 03, 2011 11:02AM
Clifton brought out the worst of what has been going on for years on the SB.
The redistricting of South Lakes was egregious, too. Anyone who protested was accused of being racist--even if the complaint was that it was the 3rd or 4th redistricting for a neighborhood in as many years. (Oakton to Westfield to South Lakes).
Gibson enlisted pals Strauss and Smith to help. (I find it ironic that Strauss protects Langley but sends all the money out of her district because they "need" it--except for improvements to Langley. If I were Herndon or McLean, I'd be ticked.) Talk about "limousine liberal".
Gibson broke all sorts of PTA rules that he accuses Brown-Kaplan of breaking. He met with South Lakes to make a plan and then enlisted Fox Mill PTA to do a "survey" of some type. Yet, he says that the new SB candidates are not running for the "right reasons".
Gibson and Smith sat with backs to the audience at an information meeting for parents at Chantilly. They were just RUDE. And Kathy talks about "listening".
But, Clifton was the most egregious. Or perhaps, thanks to the Clifton citizens, it was the first time we were able to see just how bad things were through the emails. I don't understand how anyone could want Gibson, Smith, or Strauss to recommend them.
The redistricting of South Lakes was egregious, too. Anyone who protested was accused of being racist--even if the complaint was that it was the 3rd or 4th redistricting for a neighborhood in as many years. (Oakton to Westfield to South Lakes).
Gibson enlisted pals Strauss and Smith to help. (I find it ironic that Strauss protects Langley but sends all the money out of her district because they "need" it--except for improvements to Langley. If I were Herndon or McLean, I'd be ticked.) Talk about "limousine liberal".
Gibson broke all sorts of PTA rules that he accuses Brown-Kaplan of breaking. He met with South Lakes to make a plan and then enlisted Fox Mill PTA to do a "survey" of some type. Yet, he says that the new SB candidates are not running for the "right reasons".
Gibson and Smith sat with backs to the audience at an information meeting for parents at Chantilly. They were just RUDE. And Kathy talks about "listening".
But, Clifton was the most egregious. Or perhaps, thanks to the Clifton citizens, it was the first time we were able to see just how bad things were through the emails. I don't understand how anyone could want Gibson, Smith, or Strauss to recommend them.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
wait, wut?
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Date: November 03, 2011 01:08PM
Mmmaybe Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The 99% Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Closing Clifton made sense. Now, let’s move
> on.
>
> Maybe it did make sense, but it was handled very
> badly. FCPS school board orchestrated it in a
> very devious, underhanded, and repugnant manner.
> They misused their positions as representatives of
> Fairfax County residents and branded anyone who
> questioned their pattern of deceit as the enemy.
> Very dangerous, paranoid behavior. How
> Bradsher, Tisdadt, and crew wake up and live with
> themselves each day amazes me.
>
Actually, that is the attitude I see displayed here by Clifton residents and their supporters. A lot of time and energy was spent on smearing school board members, their families and anyone else coming out in their support. One can look back at the attacks on one young gentlemen who posted an article with his name.
Lorenze is throwing a lot of resources to get her candidates on the board so she can control the money going into her district. A win for her candidates does not mean the the former board was wrong, only that Karl Rove type tactics work.
-------------------------------------------------------
> The 99% Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Closing Clifton made sense. Now, let’s move
> on.
>
> Maybe it did make sense, but it was handled very
> badly. FCPS school board orchestrated it in a
> very devious, underhanded, and repugnant manner.
> They misused their positions as representatives of
> Fairfax County residents and branded anyone who
> questioned their pattern of deceit as the enemy.
> Very dangerous, paranoid behavior. How
> Bradsher, Tisdadt, and crew wake up and live with
> themselves each day amazes me.
>
Actually, that is the attitude I see displayed here by Clifton residents and their supporters. A lot of time and energy was spent on smearing school board members, their families and anyone else coming out in their support. One can look back at the attacks on one young gentlemen who posted an article with his name.
Lorenze is throwing a lot of resources to get her candidates on the board so she can control the money going into her district. A win for her candidates does not mean the the former board was wrong, only that Karl Rove type tactics work.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
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Date: November 03, 2011 02:02PM
To former CES parents Wrote:
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> Has the transition to the new schools been as bad
> as expected? What are some of the negative
> impacts that have occured?
From what I have experienced and heard, most are adapting to the education provided at the schools and many state it is different. Different defined as "more rules, less freedom and what comes across as less engaging administration and some teachers at the schools.". Over time I suspect as the new students and families get to know the schools better this may get better. I know first hand that the level of parental volunteering at 2 of the 3 receiving schools is absolutely no where near what it was at Clifton. Volunteering as in helping where teachers requested with reading, in-class activities, special events and general assistance when asked.
Likely the largest mess associated with the change has been transportation. I think all of the receiving schools and their related bus routes have been a major source of challenge. Routes are continuing to change to this day and the perspective of many is that for a decision made in March, why are we still having transportation issues in November? That is likely the biggest issue to come from this. A lack of planning with transportation. But then again, I do remember families asking for transportation studies to be performed and it is clear they were not.
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> Has the transition to the new schools been as bad
> as expected? What are some of the negative
> impacts that have occured?
From what I have experienced and heard, most are adapting to the education provided at the schools and many state it is different. Different defined as "more rules, less freedom and what comes across as less engaging administration and some teachers at the schools.". Over time I suspect as the new students and families get to know the schools better this may get better. I know first hand that the level of parental volunteering at 2 of the 3 receiving schools is absolutely no where near what it was at Clifton. Volunteering as in helping where teachers requested with reading, in-class activities, special events and general assistance when asked.
Likely the largest mess associated with the change has been transportation. I think all of the receiving schools and their related bus routes have been a major source of challenge. Routes are continuing to change to this day and the perspective of many is that for a decision made in March, why are we still having transportation issues in November? That is likely the biggest issue to come from this. A lack of planning with transportation. But then again, I do remember families asking for transportation studies to be performed and it is clear they were not.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
The Church Lady
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Date: November 03, 2011 05:19PM
To former CES parents Wrote:
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> Has the transition to the new schools been as bad
> as expected? What are some of the negative
> impacts that have occured?
Worse; some of us are on the 4th bus route change, kids are getting missed, buses are getting kids late to school, drivers don't know how to get to stops, one day the kids can cross the road the next day they can't, kids who were on buses for 15 minutes last year are on them for over an hour one way, bus drivers have gotten lost, schools aren't telling parents what is going on, transporation won't answer the calls. It is a disaster.
At schools, there is no room for art - it is now art on a cart. Trailers are in where there weren't any. Kiss and Ride lines are backed up, kids stumble over each other in hallways, lunchrooms.
These people have no clue what they did. Now transportation people are going to come out and drive around to see what the problem is. That is exactly what everyone asked for them to do before the boundary study.
Thanks Liz. How are those savings flowing? Hope you are proud of yourself.
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> Has the transition to the new schools been as bad
> as expected? What are some of the negative
> impacts that have occured?
Worse; some of us are on the 4th bus route change, kids are getting missed, buses are getting kids late to school, drivers don't know how to get to stops, one day the kids can cross the road the next day they can't, kids who were on buses for 15 minutes last year are on them for over an hour one way, bus drivers have gotten lost, schools aren't telling parents what is going on, transporation won't answer the calls. It is a disaster.
At schools, there is no room for art - it is now art on a cart. Trailers are in where there weren't any. Kiss and Ride lines are backed up, kids stumble over each other in hallways, lunchrooms.
These people have no clue what they did. Now transportation people are going to come out and drive around to see what the problem is. That is exactly what everyone asked for them to do before the boundary study.
Thanks Liz. How are those savings flowing? Hope you are proud of yourself.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Clifton Mom
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Date: November 03, 2011 06:38PM
I have to agree with the concerns mentioned above - the biggest issue seems to be the buses. Everytime we get used to a schedule change, transportation changes the schedule again, but the end result is the same; kids are on a bus for an hour one way to their supposed neighborhood school.
FCPS is the 11th largest school district in the NATION, yet you'd think the kids were in a very rural county with very few schools due to long bus ride. Some kids don't get off of the bus until around quarter to five in the evenings.
Way to go, SB, Dale talks about increasing enrollment and having no land for new schools; yet a perfectly fine school is sitting empty.
FCPS is the 11th largest school district in the NATION, yet you'd think the kids were in a very rural county with very few schools due to long bus ride. Some kids don't get off of the bus until around quarter to five in the evenings.
Way to go, SB, Dale talks about increasing enrollment and having no land for new schools; yet a perfectly fine school is sitting empty.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Another Clifton parent
()
Date: November 03, 2011 08:02PM
It is absurd that no bus route study was done before the closing of Clifton.
Who are we kidding. FCPS pushed through the closing of Clifton with NO thought of the kids. Shame goes to Jack Dale. I think he knew the closing of Clifton was his ticket out once two kids killed themselves on his dime.
JD and Liz will rot in hell.
Who are we kidding. FCPS pushed through the closing of Clifton with NO thought of the kids. Shame goes to Jack Dale. I think he knew the closing of Clifton was his ticket out once two kids killed themselves on his dime.
JD and Liz will rot in hell.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Nope11
()
Date: November 03, 2011 08:33PM
No they won't. They made the right decision. Bus issues will get worked out. It happens with every redistricting. I'm sure the kids are enjoying their new schools regardless.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Justataxpayer
()
Date: November 03, 2011 09:23PM
Nope11 Wrote:
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> No they won't. They made the right decision. Bus
> issues will get worked out. It happens with every
> redistricting. I'm sure the kids are enjoying
> their new schools regardless.
School started almost 2 months ago. The decision about new boundaries was made over 7 months ago. For the tax dollars allocated to FCPS one would believe solutions to these challenges would be well past us by now. Fact is, FCPS does not plan, they react. That isn't acceptable at $2.2B+ a year. They aren't a starup company, nor a new school division yet people think this should be acceptable. Why? If they can't get something as basic as providing bus service to students that have been riding buses through areas of the county for decades, what else is screwed up but being glossed over by the FCPS media and marketing machine? Their s... stinks but no one will admit it.
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> No they won't. They made the right decision. Bus
> issues will get worked out. It happens with every
> redistricting. I'm sure the kids are enjoying
> their new schools regardless.
School started almost 2 months ago. The decision about new boundaries was made over 7 months ago. For the tax dollars allocated to FCPS one would believe solutions to these challenges would be well past us by now. Fact is, FCPS does not plan, they react. That isn't acceptable at $2.2B+ a year. They aren't a starup company, nor a new school division yet people think this should be acceptable. Why? If they can't get something as basic as providing bus service to students that have been riding buses through areas of the county for decades, what else is screwed up but being glossed over by the FCPS media and marketing machine? Their s... stinks but no one will admit it.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
wait, wut?
()
Date: November 03, 2011 09:56PM
Another Clifton parent Wrote:
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>
> JD and Liz will rot in hell.
Thank you for proving my point.
Take care of our kids, they sure won't.
.
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>
> JD and Liz will rot in hell.
Thank you for proving my point.
Vote NO to Schultz and Tea Party christian Kendall!!
Take care of our kids, they sure won't.
.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
won't be trying this again for a LONG time
()
Date: November 03, 2011 10:08PM
There won't be any school closings in the foreseeable future. No matter what. Clifton will be remembered. It has left a very sour taste. And, no, I don't live in Clifton. After Clifton was closed, the least the SB could have done would have been to make the transition for the Clifton students (transportation namely) a priority. That would have gone a long way toward showing the Cliftonites and others how smoothly FCPS can transition in such a situation. Now everyone sees just why they will fight hard if the SB tries to close their school. Sad story really.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Clifton
()
Date: November 03, 2011 11:04PM
Pretty funny, all these posters claiming they're not from Clifton.
Sure you aren't, lol
Sure you aren't, lol
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Go AWAY Liz
()
Date: November 04, 2011 12:10AM
Nope11 Wrote:
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> No they won't. They made the right decision. Bus
> issues will get worked out. It happens with every
> redistricting. I'm sure the kids are enjoying
> their new schools regardless.
Attachments:
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> No they won't. They made the right decision. Bus
> issues will get worked out. It happens with every
> redistricting. I'm sure the kids are enjoying
> their new schools regardless.
Attachments:
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
162nd Street
()
Date: November 04, 2011 12:44AM
Let's have a shout out for Elizabeth Schultz whose campaign is being run by the McLean Queen of Mean, Catherine Lorenze. That speaks highly of her and all you who back her. Heard she sent out an anonymous email to Clifton folks telling them not to speak about her being from Clifton, the school closing, etc. Said that they would pay in some way if they did speak up. Nice lady--the email bit is all over the town. Ms. Schultz should know better.
You people really love that bullying tactic don't you? Just can't get over that someone actually stood up to the rich and arrogant. So Bradsher didn't drink your Kool-Aid and now you want her to pay. My hat is off to Bradsher, she stood up to the bullies.
So now your kids go to school with other kids and guess what...they are surviving. Well who would have thought? If you want private school then send them, otherwise you are no different than the rest of us county residents. Most of the kids are bussed. Cry me a river, you all are boundaried to Robinson, never heard complaints about that.
Can't wait to watch the fireworks on who will be paying that legal bill. You all are insane...is that a result of inbreeding?
You people really love that bullying tactic don't you? Just can't get over that someone actually stood up to the rich and arrogant. So Bradsher didn't drink your Kool-Aid and now you want her to pay. My hat is off to Bradsher, she stood up to the bullies.
So now your kids go to school with other kids and guess what...they are surviving. Well who would have thought? If you want private school then send them, otherwise you are no different than the rest of us county residents. Most of the kids are bussed. Cry me a river, you all are boundaried to Robinson, never heard complaints about that.
Can't wait to watch the fireworks on who will be paying that legal bill. You all are insane...is that a result of inbreeding?
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Nuber
()
Date: November 04, 2011 01:24AM
More brainless nazi-style anti-Schultz garbage. That post could have been written by Joeseph Goebbels himself. The anti-Schultz jsck-booted thugs are a pathetic bunch of lowlife scumbags.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Also NOT from Clifton
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Date: November 04, 2011 05:56AM
162nd Street Wrote:
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> Let's have a shout out for Elizabeth Schultz whose
> campaign is being run by the McLean Queen of Mean,
> Catherine Lorenze. That speaks highly of her and
> all you who back her. Heard she sent out an
> anonymous email to Clifton folks telling them not
> to speak about her being from Clifton, the school
> closing, etc. Said that they would pay in some
> way if they did speak up. Nice lady--the email
> bit is all over the town. Ms. Schultz should know
> better.
Nice try, no scratch that. Lame try.
Schultz makes no secret about her being from Clifton. I've heard her speak on many occaisions where she offers that information while giving her bio at the beginning of her presentation.
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> Let's have a shout out for Elizabeth Schultz whose
> campaign is being run by the McLean Queen of Mean,
> Catherine Lorenze. That speaks highly of her and
> all you who back her. Heard she sent out an
> anonymous email to Clifton folks telling them not
> to speak about her being from Clifton, the school
> closing, etc. Said that they would pay in some
> way if they did speak up. Nice lady--the email
> bit is all over the town. Ms. Schultz should know
> better.
Nice try, no scratch that. Lame try.
Schultz makes no secret about her being from Clifton. I've heard her speak on many occaisions where she offers that information while giving her bio at the beginning of her presentation.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
wait, wut?
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Date: November 04, 2011 07:06AM
Nuber Wrote:
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> More brainless nazi-style anti-Schultz garbage.
> That post could have been written by Joeseph
> Goebbels himself. The anti-Schultz jsck-booted
> thugs are a pathetic bunch of lowlife scumbags.
ah, Godwin's Law, likely not the first time in this thread.
Clifton supporters, debate over, you lose (again).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
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> More brainless nazi-style anti-Schultz garbage.
> That post could have been written by Joeseph
> Goebbels himself. The anti-Schultz jsck-booted
> thugs are a pathetic bunch of lowlife scumbags.
ah, Godwin's Law, likely not the first time in this thread.
Clifton supporters, debate over, you lose (again).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Clifton Rules
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Date: November 04, 2011 07:18AM
CES will reopen as a Charter School. Almost all of Clifton's residents will apply and get their kids in. The county and state will pay for the school. The big GOP donors from Clifton already have the state folks on board. The county will be dragged kicking and screaming into this until Dale's long sayonara is over in a couple of years. Clifton wins again. Damn those Cliftonians and their money.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Nope11 = Stu Gibson
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Date: November 04, 2011 09:06AM
"Nope11" is Stu Gibson. "wait, wut?" is Liz Bradsher.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Nope11
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Date: November 04, 2011 10:57AM
LOL "Clifton Rules" good luck with that. Not gonna happen.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
wait, wut?
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Date: November 04, 2011 12:05PM
Nope11 = Stu Gibson Wrote:
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> "Nope11" is Stu Gibson. "wait, wut?" is Liz
> Bradsher.
"Clifton Rules" is Kendall and "Also NOT from Clifton" is Schultz (telling lies)
heh
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> "Nope11" is Stu Gibson. "wait, wut?" is Liz
> Bradsher.
"Clifton Rules" is Kendall and "Also NOT from Clifton" is Schultz (telling lies)
heh
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
MOCO lacks corruption
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Date: December 14, 2011 12:54PM
Gauthier, Alvarado Associates, Inc.
Dustin Construction, Inc.
Well, well, look what Montgomery County PS is doing with Darnestown Elem School.
Go figure.
The school is on well water and yet---they are replacing the system rather than closing the school.
(CM) Darnestown Elementary School Addition
2A - Sitework and Septic System Replacement
June 3, 2011
2:00 pm
BIDDER
Peak, Inc.
Pleasants Construction
R.F. Kline
Ross Contracting
Urban Zink
Dustin Construction, Inc.
Well, well, look what Montgomery County PS is doing with Darnestown Elem School.
Go figure.
The school is on well water and yet---they are replacing the system rather than closing the school.
(CM) Darnestown Elementary School Addition
2A - Sitework and Septic System Replacement
June 3, 2011
2:00 pm
BIDDER
Peak, Inc.
Pleasants Construction
R.F. Kline
Ross Contracting
Urban Zink
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Nighthawk
()
Date: December 14, 2011 02:34PM
MOCO lacks corruption Wrote:
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> Gauthier, Alvarado Associates, Inc.
> Dustin Construction, Inc.
> Well, well, look what Montgomery County PS is
> doing with Darnestown Elem School.
>
> Go figure.
>
> The school is on well water and yet---they are
> replacing the system rather than closing the
> school.
>
>
> (CM) Darnestown Elementary School Addition
>
> 2A - Sitework and Septic System Replacement
> June 3, 2011
> 2:00 pm
> BIDDER
> Peak, Inc.
> Pleasants Construction
> R.F. Kline
> Ross Contracting
> Urban Zink
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What does replacing a failed septic system that is part of an overall expansion of Darnestown Elementary School have to do with the closing of Clifton Elementary? NOTHING! They aren't replacing the well water system are they? NO! Also, you do realize that the expansion of Darnestown is the beginning of the end for another elementary school with dwindling enrollment in Montgomery County that is facing the same fate as Clifton Elementary.
Is Montgomery County being corrupt when it comes to their arguments as to why they need to close that school?
If you're still upset at the closing of Clifton, that's fine. If you want to continue arguing the point, that's fine but at least be intellectually honest when making your arguments.
Get your facts straight and look at the whole picture and not just a little snippet that you feel "makes" your argument when in reality it doesn't.
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> Gauthier, Alvarado Associates, Inc.
> Dustin Construction, Inc.
> Well, well, look what Montgomery County PS is
> doing with Darnestown Elem School.
>
> Go figure.
>
> The school is on well water and yet---they are
> replacing the system rather than closing the
> school.
>
>
> (CM) Darnestown Elementary School Addition
>
> 2A - Sitework and Septic System Replacement
> June 3, 2011
> 2:00 pm
> BIDDER
> Peak, Inc.
> Pleasants Construction
> R.F. Kline
> Ross Contracting
> Urban Zink
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What does replacing a failed septic system that is part of an overall expansion of Darnestown Elementary School have to do with the closing of Clifton Elementary? NOTHING! They aren't replacing the well water system are they? NO! Also, you do realize that the expansion of Darnestown is the beginning of the end for another elementary school with dwindling enrollment in Montgomery County that is facing the same fate as Clifton Elementary.
Is Montgomery County being corrupt when it comes to their arguments as to why they need to close that school?
If you're still upset at the closing of Clifton, that's fine. If you want to continue arguing the point, that's fine but at least be intellectually honest when making your arguments.
Get your facts straight and look at the whole picture and not just a little snippet that you feel "makes" your argument when in reality it doesn't.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
George Wythe
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Date: December 15, 2011 02:53PM
All of the South County Bitche's skullduggery may yet come to naught.
VA Supreme Court just granted an appeal on the FOIA violations!!
Stay tuned!
VA Supreme Court just granted an appeal on the FOIA violations!!
Stay tuned!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Et tu Bradsher?
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Date: December 20, 2011 06:44PM
Last night the new school board took their oath of office.
Bradsher is OUT.
Victor! Qui ad bonum remission futuis nobis!
Bradsher is OUT.
Victor! Qui ad bonum remission futuis nobis!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Second that Emotion
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Date: December 20, 2011 07:30PM
Hope Liz gets a chance to catch up on her reading. A good place to start http://thebeachsideresident.com/2011/06/book-review-bitter-bitch/
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
CountyView
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Date: December 20, 2011 08:24PM
The new Fairfax County School Board took their Official Oath last night. We have a new group in power as of today.
News coverage video of story
http://bcove.me/ytwswk7y
News coverage video of story
http://bcove.me/ytwswk7y
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
FOIA!
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Date: December 20, 2011 08:56PM
Liz is still a bitch. She will not win.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
A Winner
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Date: December 20, 2011 09:33PM
She did win---you got Schultz----YOU LOST!
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Fyt
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Date: December 20, 2011 09:42PM
Schultz sent the South Conty bitch packing. Truly awesome.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
more of the same?
()
Date: January 03, 2012 07:05AM
Can Schultz fix this?
quote from a new SB member in the Patch:
Stu Gibson has been my only school board representative, through my sixteen years as an FCPS parent and teacher. Taking his seat on the school board is a daunting responsibility. Stu has been, and I'm sure will continue to be, an avid student of education policy. I have sat many times in the audience at school board meetings, wishing I could jump up and ask a question from my perspective as an educator, and suddenly Stu will ask the very question for me. His expertise and his dedication to our children will be missed. I promise to call on that expertise and dedication often, and I know Stu will be only too happy to help. All the best to Stu and his family in the New Year!
Pat Hynes
Fairfax County School Board Member for Hunter Mill District
quote from a new SB member in the Patch:
Stu Gibson has been my only school board representative, through my sixteen years as an FCPS parent and teacher. Taking his seat on the school board is a daunting responsibility. Stu has been, and I'm sure will continue to be, an avid student of education policy. I have sat many times in the audience at school board meetings, wishing I could jump up and ask a question from my perspective as an educator, and suddenly Stu will ask the very question for me. His expertise and his dedication to our children will be missed. I promise to call on that expertise and dedication often, and I know Stu will be only too happy to help. All the best to Stu and his family in the New Year!
Pat Hynes
Fairfax County School Board Member for Hunter Mill District
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
Hynes scares me
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Date: January 03, 2012 01:05PM
Gibson is a self absorbed egomaniac.
Good riddance.
Scary how Hynes worships him.
Good riddance.
Scary how Hynes worships him.
Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
cuzIcan
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Date: July 22, 2014 11:46PM
ForkU Liz Wrote:
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> agree with who cares and others.
I saw it's Remember When Night on FFXU with revival of years-old threads.
Best possible ever thread ICYMI
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> agree with who cares and others.
I saw it's Remember When Night on FFXU with revival of years-old threads.
Best possible ever thread ICYMI
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Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher for Political Gain
Posted by:
cindy w
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Date: December 11, 2014 06:42PM
I dont know how she sleeps at ngiht