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Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: slimey ()
Date: July 27, 2007 12:58AM

The Dept of Game and Inland Fisheries has the numbers I suggest you try their
website or call the local Game Warden. You are dead right on when you say "too many deer". This is a result of far too many years of Public Officials ignoring the deer problem. Instead of confronting reality, they perceived "Bambi" as that cute little animal from Disney cartoons. Far too many people ignored this problem until one came crashing through their car windshield and then they wonder, "How did this happen?". Like to have a garden in your yard?, Perhaps some shrubs?...Good luck.
Coyotes and foxes are also starting to proliferate due to yuppies feeling sorry for everything. Git yer shootin' irons out and giv'em hell fellers. PETA is so full of crap they cant find their asses with both hands. Lets see Heidi Prescott tell someone who has been injured in a head on collision that the deer have rights too. BTW, the last time I saw the numbers was about 3 years ago and there were over 2200 collisions between deer and cars in Fairfax County. (PETA really should stand for People Eatng Tasty Animals. If you Google "People Eating Tasty Animals"
you will find the Truth!!!!
Yer frend,
Slimey

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: July 27, 2007 01:58AM

members of PETA should be forced to live in the wild with the animals they so dearly love. yes PETA, we need to protect those grizzly bears... you know, the ones that will tear a person's face off, given half a chance.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Date: July 27, 2007 07:31AM

I have a question. I remember being a child, and I remember the woods around our house as being dense. For instance, we's take a Christmas tree out back, to a place to throw away, and walk back to this place that had a path and stuff.

Now it seems like there are only bigger trees and you can see all the way back though them. Has anyone noticed a change like this in your woods? It's hard to say exactly the extent of it, since it's a real long-term thing from my memory. Could this be due to deer eating the brush and small trees, or something else?

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: July 27, 2007 08:18AM

Hunting is fine. It helps control the Deer population. If not death will occur naturally by starvation and or car-icide. Its sad but true. Does anyone on FX under hunt? I have not done so since I lived in Ohio.

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: slimey ()
Date: July 27, 2007 08:24AM

Space Ghost Coast to Coast Wrote:
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> Now it seems like there are only bigger trees and
> you can see all the way back though them. Has
> anyone noticed a change like this in your woods?
> It's hard to say exactly the extent of it, since
> it's a real long-term thing from my memory. Could
> this be due to deer eating the brush and small
> trees, or something else?

> you can see all the way back though them. Has
> anyone noticed a change like this in your woods?
> It's hard to say exactly the extent of it, since
> it's a real long-term thing from my memory. Could
> this be due to deer eating the brush and small
> trees, or something else?

Space Ghost,
That could be from deer browsing or several other reasons. As the trees mature
and become higher they could be blocking the sunlight from the forest floor.
Or is it just more heavily traveled now and worn down? Im certainly no biologist
but one thing I have done is spend a lot of time studying deer habits. They can
and will eat many types of vegetation. Could be disease or insects too. Hard to say unless you look at each situation.

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: slimey ()
Date: July 27, 2007 08:33AM

ferfux Wrote:
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> Hunting is fine. It helps control the Deer
> population. If not death will occur naturally by
> starvation and or car-icide. Its sad but true.
> Does anyone on FX under hunt? I have not done so
> since I lived in Ohio.


Ferfux,
If you mean does anyone in FFX hunt, yes, there are lots of us. Unfortunately
you have to own at least five acres to use a firearm. Otherwise, bow or crossbow
only. Even that is dangerous because of the tendency for deer to run like hell
when hit. If they run into a roadway it could be disasterous, so you have to
be very careful where you hunt. I have a Centrevill friend who got 14 last year
near Burke but he has access to about 100 acres. Im not a bowhunter and prefer
to hunt the GW Forest near Staunton. (bear there too). Speaking of Ohio,
I grew up near Dayton and still visit there frequently. They too are over-run with
deer now due to the same crazy reasons as NoVa. I just enjoy the hunt now though.
I have 30 acres on top of a hill overlooking the Great Miami River and the creek
running through it is a natural funnel for the deer.

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: July 27, 2007 12:17PM

slimey Wrote:
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> Unfortunately you have to own at least five acres
> to use a firearm. Otherwise, bow or crossbow
> only.


what, no flamethrowers? lame.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: July 27, 2007 05:34PM

have to own at least five acres to use a firearm. Otherwise, bow or crossbow
only.


The Herndon town council is passing a law that will make it legal to hunt deer with a machete.

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: Paul ()
Date: July 27, 2007 08:17PM

Great. Sounds like MS-13 is going to be eating a lot of venison tacos.


TheMeeper Wrote:
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> have to own at least five acres to use a firearm.
> Otherwise, bow or crossbow
> only.
>
> The Herndon town council is passing a law that
> will make it legal to hunt deer with a machete.

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: Mischa ()
Date: July 27, 2007 08:58PM

A friend of mine is a regular hunter. He told me he would never eat the
deers that roam around suburban neighborhoods. Who knows what kind of crap
those deers have been eating?

Just a thought...

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: duh ()
Date: July 27, 2007 09:42PM

Coyotes are GREAT...the more the better! That's the whole reason the deer population is out of control....no predators.

Better keep an eye on Muffy, though.

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: slimey ()
Date: July 27, 2007 10:18PM

"Re: Yes, Too many deer. new
Posted by: Mischa (IP Logged)
Date: July 27, 2007 08:58PM

A friend of mine is a regular hunter. He told me he would never eat the
deers that roam around suburban neighborhoods. Who knows what kind of crap
those deers have been eating?

Just a thought..."


Mischa,
No need to fear. The deer are very strict vegetarians. The pesticides they would
dine on here are no different than the ones in agricultural areas. Acorns are their favorite but they'll take about anything that pleases them if they're
hungry. I have no idea what your friend means by this.

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: slimey ()
Date: July 28, 2007 03:08PM

duh Wrote:
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> Coyotes are GREAT...the more the better! That's
> the whole reason the deer population is out of
> control....no predators.
>
> Better keep an eye on Muffy, though.

Better think twice about the coyotes. Although they can take a very young deer or
and old or sick one for that matter, the damage they do to burbs is not good.
They eat cats, small dogs, and just about anything they can tackle. Also,
they range as much as 20 miles in one night. If hungy enough, they'll eat road
kill and spread rabies over a wide area. My Mother, while she was still living,
lost 20 chickens, 4 peacocks, two dogs, and many many cats. (we dont know how
many cats because they were "barn cats" and we couldnt take a census. Trapping
them is very difficult and even more so in Burbia. I could care less about cats
but if one ate my beloved Beagle, I'd get even.

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: duh ()
Date: July 28, 2007 03:43PM

slimey Wrote:
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> duh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Coyotes are GREAT...the more the better!
> That's
> > the whole reason the deer population is out of
> > control....no predators.
> >
> > Better keep an eye on Muffy, though.
>
> Better think twice about the coyotes. Although
> they can take a very young deer or
> and old or sick one for that matter, the damage
> they do to burbs is not good.
> They eat cats, small dogs, and just about anything
> they can tackle. Also,
> they range as much as 20 miles in one night. If
> hungy enough, they'll eat road
> kill and spread rabies over a wide area. My
> Mother, while she was still living,
> lost 20 chickens, 4 peacocks, two dogs, and many
> many cats. (we dont know how
> many cats because they were "barn cats" and we
> couldnt take a census. Trapping
> them is very difficult and even more so in Burbia.
> I could care less about cats
> but if one ate my beloved Beagle, I'd get even.

Okay, then we need cougars around here. I'm pretty sure they can handle a healthy, adult deer.

They might take out a jogger here and there....but we got too many of them too!

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: slimey ()
Date: July 28, 2007 04:24PM

"Okay, then we need cougars around here. I'm pretty sure they can handle a healthy, adult deer.

They might take out a jogger here and there....but we got too many of them too!"


Good one Duh,
Ill recommend that to the Game Warden.LOL!

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: StupidDeers ()
Date: July 28, 2007 05:08PM

I'm not so sure about that... The deers that come to my backyard sometimes eat from my trash.

slimey Wrote:
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>
>
> Mischa,
> No need to fear. The deer are very strict
> vegetarians. The pesticides they would
> dine on here are no different than the ones in
> agricultural areas. Acorns are their favorite but
> they'll take about anything that pleases them if
> they're
> hungry. I have no idea what your friend means by
> this.

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: July 28, 2007 07:24PM

duh Wrote:
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> Okay, then we need cougars around here. I'm
> pretty sure they can handle a healthy, adult
> deer.
>
> They might take out a jogger here and there....but
> we got too many of them too!


i vote for mountain lions!... but where oh where could we find mountain lions?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: slimey ()
Date: July 28, 2007 10:04PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> duh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Okay, then we need cougars around here. I'm
> > pretty sure they can handle a healthy, adult
> > deer.
> >
> > They might take out a jogger here and
> there....but
> > we got too many of them too!
>
> i vote for mountain lions!... but where oh where
> could we find mountain lions?


There have been reports in Virginia over the past few years of mountain lion sightings. However, none have been verified. At one point the wildlife officials
sent a team to Arizona to study mountain lion/cougars (same same) and the trainees
came back to Virginia to try and follow up on these so called "sightings"
So far, nothing. Even though they would be perfectly legal to hunt or trap, there
has been no verifiable evidence of their presence in the entire state. Not even
one piece of mountain lion poop has been found. I have mixed feelings about them
being around. They would be fantastic sport hunting, but then again, California
has had serious problems with them attacking humans due to the fact that the animal rights crackpots were able to have the hunting of them banned. The result
was an explosion in the population of them and a reduction in their fear of predators. They have moved into fringe areas of Burbia and nobody seems to notice
until humans are attacked.

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: July 28, 2007 11:24PM

slimey Wrote:
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> California has had serious problems with them
> attacking humans due to the fact that the animal
> rights crackpots were able to have the hunting of
> them banned. The result was an explosion in the
> population of them and a reduction in their fear
> of predators. They have moved into fringe areas
> of Burbia and nobody seems to notice until
> humans are attacked.


i wonder if we can have PETA's HQ moved to there. i would love to hear about several PETA members being mauled to death. all zealots should be killed by an affect of their zeal.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: slimey ()
Date: July 29, 2007 01:25PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> slimey Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > California has had serious problems with them
> > attacking humans due to the fact that the
> animal
> > rights crackpots were able to have the hunting
> of
> > them banned. The result was an explosion in the
> > population of them and a reduction in their
> fear
> > of predators. They have moved into fringe areas
> > of Burbia and nobody seems to notice until
> > humans are attacked.
>
> i wonder if we can have PETA's HQ moved to there.
> i would love to hear about several PETA members
> being mauled to death. all zealots should be
> killed by an affect of their zeal.


Id really like to see PETA move to California. About 100 miles west of San
Francisco. However, thats only wishful thinking. From what I can gather,
the PETA heavies are a group of independently wealthy types who do not have
to have a real job. Such idealism is expensive. One of my favorite PETA stories
is about the "War on Cats" they staged in Virginia Beach. It seems that feral
cats were inhabiting a commercial fishing pier and population estimates were about
1000.The commercial fishermen there liked the cats because they kept down the
rat and mouse population. PETA decided the cats should be spayed and neutered
and they volunteered to do it themselves. However, PETA volunteers didnt realize
that feral cats didnt WANT to be caught. After two weeks of hectic attempts,
there were only able to catch four cats. Dont blame them. If some nut case was
trying to cut my gonads off they'd have a hell of a time catching me too!

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: July 29, 2007 01:58PM

slimey Wrote:
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> It seems that feral cats were inhabiting
> a commercial fishing pier and population
> estimates were about 1000.
...
> After two weeks of hectic attempts,
> there were only able to catch four cats.


LOL! pathetic.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: Mofo ()
Date: July 29, 2007 11:18PM

I thought you couldn't hunt with a firearm period in Farifax (because the county has over 200,000 or something like that). You can bow hunt deer, in season, on five acres, from a tree stand.

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: C ()
Date: July 30, 2007 07:37AM

most deers around here are not even afraid of humans.
a couple weeks ago, a buck just walked into my basement.
(throught the walk-up door, which was left open because
I had a party going at the time) The deer probably smelled
all the food and came in...

I could have just closed the door had hit it on the head
with my baseball bats. I didn't because I wouldn't know
what to do with a dead deer.(and probably scare the guests)

Speaking of Fairfax County.... I'm relatively new here, but
why is the summer weather so much worse than places like
Florida??? It's so hot and sticky all the time...


Mofo Wrote:
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> I thought you couldn't hunt with a firearm period
> in Farifax (because the county has over 200,000 or
> something like that). You can bow hunt deer, in
> season, on five acres, from a tree stand.

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: slimey ()
Date: July 30, 2007 08:27AM

Mofo Wrote:
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> I thought you couldn't hunt with a firearm period
> in Farifax (because the county has over 200,000 or
> something like that). You can bow hunt deer, in
> season, on five acres, from a tree stand.


Good point Mofo,
Im going on what I was told several years ago and to be honest, Ive never really
looked at the laws personally. Ive never hunted Fairfax, preferring Front Royal
and Staunton areas. You got my curiosity going and I started Googling. Will find
the specific law. Meanwhile, this was interesting though dated.


http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/comm/deer/DeerReport2001.pdf.

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: C ()
Date: July 30, 2007 08:43AM

You're welcome to come to my yard and "hunt" the deers.

I wouldn't really call it "hunt".... :)

There are at least a 10 or 15 deers who regularly
run around my yard. (by regulary I mean twice a day)

Sometimes they won't leave, even after I spray them
directly with the garden hose. They just kept on
eating my plants/grass. The only way I can get them
to leave is to throw rocks at them... (but they come
back after a minute or two) :(


slimey Wrote:
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> looked at the laws personally. Ive never hunted
> Fairfax,

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: slimey ()
Date: July 30, 2007 01:59PM

slimey Wrote:
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> Mofo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I thought you couldn't hunt with a firearm
> period
> > in Farifax (because the county has over 200,000
> or
> > something like that). You can bow hunt deer, in
> > season, on five acres, from a tree stand.
>
>
> Good point Mofo,
> Im going on what I was told several years ago
> and to be honest, Ive never really
> looked at the laws personally. Ive never hunted
> Fairfax, preferring Front Royal
> and Staunton areas. You got my curiosity going and
> I started Googling. Will find
> the specific law. Meanwhile, this was interesting
> though dated.
>
>
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/comm/deer/DeerReport2
> 001.pdf.




Mofo,
I was curious about this conversation as its been about 20 years since I looked
into such matters. Many new laws have passed especially since the big "pre-emption" law a couple of years ago. I started calling County Government officials this morning around 9 a.m. and thus far have made nine calls with still
no expert advice concerning the hunting with firearms. I have a call into a guy
now (on his voice mail) who is reported to be "the expert to talk to". Ill post
the results when he returns my call. Bureaucracy Ha!

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: Mofo ()
Date: July 30, 2007 07:15PM

>
> Mofo,
> I was curious about this conversation as its
> been about 20 years since I looked
> into such matters. Many new laws have passed
> especially since the big "pre-emption" law a
> couple of years ago. I started calling County
> Government officials this morning around 9 a.m.
> and thus far have made nine calls with still
> no expert advice concerning the hunting with
> firearms. I have a call into a guy
> now (on his voice mail) who is reported to be "the
> expert to talk to". Ill post
> the results when he returns my call. Bureaucracy
> Ha!

A hunting registration for firearms use can only be approved in those areas of Fairfax County designated by the Board of Supervisors. A minimum land parcel of twenty acres is required. The 20 acres need not be under single ownership, but must form a single tract. Hunting on posted property requires written permission of the property owner; hunting on nonposted property requires verbal permission of the property owner. Contact the Department of Animal Control at (703) 830-3310 for details.

There is no minimum acreage requirement for bow hunting. However, archers must have the permission of the property owner.

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/comm/deer/deerfaqs.htm

Interesting, I thought there was a 5 acre minimum for bow hunting.

Urban Archery Deer Seasons

September 15-October 5 and January 7-March 29

* Within the incorporated limits of the cities of Colonial Heights, Danville, Emporia, Franklin, Lynchburg, Martinsville, Radford, Richmond, Winchester and the towns of Altavista, Amherst, Blacksburg, Christiansburg, Farmville, Independence, Purcellville, Richlands, Rocky Mount, Tazewell, West Point and in Fairfax County.
* During these seasons only antlerless deer may be taken.
* Lists of properties available for hunting are not maintained by the Department or local governments.
* Go to the Urban Archery Season page on this Web site for local restrictions and other urban archery information.

Legal Methods and Restrictions During Archery Deer Seasons

Special restrictions may apply during this season. See Legal Use of Firearms and Archery Equipment and Local Firearms Ordinances for details.

* Archery tackle only.
* Crossbows are legal.
* Broadhead widths must be at least 7/8-inch wide or expand upon impact to 7/8-inch.
* Bows must be capable of propelling a broadhead arrow at least 125 yards.
* It is unlawful to use arrows to which any drug, chemical or toxic substance has been added or explosive head arrows.
* It is unlawful to have a firearm in possession (see exception for concealed handguns).
* It is unlawful to use dogs.

Muzzleloader Deer Seasons

From

http://www.dgif.state.va.us/hunting/regulations/deer.asp



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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: slimey ()
Date: July 30, 2007 08:32PM

Would like to add this. From the Fairfax County Government website. Its a bit dated (note the crossbow restrictions have since been repealed)
and Im still waiting for a call back from the "county expert" that I left a message with this morning.

Firearm Restrictions

* Shotguns may be used on properties of 20 acres or more when the landowner has obtained a special property registration from the Fairfax County Police Department.
* Must be inspected by Fairfax County Police Dept. and the property registered.
* Boundary must be marked.
* Buckshot only.
* Archery Equipment may be used on any property where hunting is allowed.
* Cross bows may be used by a handicapped person with special Virginia Department of Game & Inland Fisheries permit.
* Hunting hours from ½ hour before sunrise to ½ hour after sunset.
* No Sunday Hunting

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Re: Yes, Too many deer.
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: July 30, 2007 09:03PM

* No Sunday Hunting,

Because it really offends Jesus when you hunt on a Sunday!

LOL, what the fuck century do we live in, this sounds like the kinda shit the Taliban enforces



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