>>>I'm very glad South Lake HS is so proactive helping students with discipline issues<<<

Wouldn't it be even better if they were simply booted out? How 'bout three strikes and you're out? How 'bout FCPS really expel some kids, and not just move them from school to school? How 'bout we have schools for those who really want to learn and get rid of the rest of them? Or at least put them all of those who don't want to learn in one school, so that the students at all the other schools aren't disrupted by them?

BirdLover Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Property,
>
> 1974... That's your big historical example. You
> might as well remind us of the redistricting of
> the Indians.
>
> You're not a developer who stands to gain from
> this, are you? How many pockets have you lined, so
> far?

I cited that one, because it is the one that I can provide the most specifics on (I was a student at FCHS at the time).

There are more, and more recent, examples, the lesson being (for those of you who missed the homework assigment) is that, the closer you are to an existing school boundary, the more at risk you are of ending up at a school that is different that the one that you had hoped your kids would go to.

The lesson that I have learned from reading this thread is that some (many?) of the posters here have a long way to go toward understanding what exactly they are entitled to as citizens of Fairfax County.

This is the first that I have heard mention of any developer-driven activity in this boundary study. Care to elaborate?

>>>the cIP last year had South Lkaes at a litle over 25% and now it's at 33%.<<<

WHAT? Poverty at South Lakes increased by 8% over the summer? How does that happen in 2 and half months? There was no such increase in unemployment, so what happened?

>>>There is a box that can be checked for NO -don't have social security number for the parent/guardian. I guess they are the children of illegal immigrants because anyone else would have a #.<<<

Er, excuse me, that is not politically correct. In FCPS they are known as undocumented students, and undocumented parents.

>>>Busing implies moving "white" students from their nearby school to a less racially balanced school to balance out a school's race. Conversely, it implies moving undesirable students from their closest school to a school with a more "desirable school.<<<

Isn't that exactly what the school board is proposing? Busing in white students, from higher income areas, to balance race and income at South Lakes? Isn't that the point of the boundary study? They've said it's not about capacity or facilities. What else could it be but balancing race and income level? Busing.

>>>You've thrown the word (racist) round so much, it's lost its meaning. Reminds me of car alarms constantly going off in parking lots when no one's stealing them.<<<

Hahahaha.......so true. I hear it packed quite a punch, back in 1974. Liberals still think if they yell 'racist' in a crowded room, it will have some impact. Yawn.

Someone needs to tell liberals that everyone ignores them when they scream racist, just as we ignore those annoying car alarms going off in the parking lot. lol

Padre wrote the following to me:

"We don't want you, because you would be even more insufferable in person, for God's sake. Your kids might stand a chance, if they could get away from you for a while"

Padre...I never inferred (that means, I never insinuated) that you wanted ME! It's my kids you want. Get a grip. (that means, understand what I am saying)

Hasta Luego, Amigo

>>>South Lakes parents are liberals - ahhh, we get it now<<<

If you weren't, why would choose to live in a place where 80% of your neighborhood is liberal? A quick look at voting records makes it rather obvious that Reston is VERY liberal.

Not that there's anything wrong with that..........

>>> appropriate student behaviors to create positive school environments. Instead of using a patchwork of individual behavioral management plans, a continuum of positive behavior support for all students within a school is implemented in areas including the classroom and nonclassroom settings (such as hallways, restrooms). FCPS encourages and supports adoption of PBS in ALL of its schools! Teaching behavioral expectations and rewarding students for following them is a much more positive approach than waiting for misbehavior to occur before responding. The purpose of school-wide PBS is to establish a climate in which appropriate behavior is the norm.<<<

What a bunch of educrat dribble. Just what is your position in the FCPS administration?

>>>the Annandale neighborhood of Camelot was redistricted in 1974 from the Woodson HS district to the Falls Church HS district<<<

Are you saying that people should be aware that every 30 years there might be a redistricting? So people who bought their homes 40 years ago should have seen this coming? What about those who bought their homes 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago? How were they to know that FCPS would negate their choices for educating their children?

>>>We will get better programs if your kids come here. I'm not sure how it all works but thats what I know. And this way we all win.<<<

No, it's still not a win for those who are already in schools that they like. Why not advocate for what your school needs without it being on the backs of other students who are happy where they are?

I see that the hour is late and the troll has come out from under her bridge. She posts to her heart's content under the cloak of darkness, taking jabs at anyone who doesn't agree with her and spewing vile opinions. At daybreak, she retires to her cave under the bridge.

If a troll posts in the middle of the night and nobody reads her, does she really make a point?

Does anyone know when the meeting notes will be posted from last Monday's meetings? How long does it take to compile
the 'common themes' from the breakout rooms?

Or are they still trying to figure out to spin ignoring the most common themes, Langley in the study, and exploration of a magnet at South Lakes? How can they not post those two? They haven't yet figured it out, so they notes can't be posted. They're spinning like a top over at Gatehouse!

They'll post the notes on Wednesday, then get the heck outta Dodge, so that no one in the administration has to deal with the public for 5 days. Sounds like a good plan!

11:30 is the middle of the night? Hahahaha.......don't get out much, do you? lol

While you're here, did you have something to add to the discussion?

Obviously not.

casual observer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> If a troll posts in the middle of the night and
> nobody reads her, does she really make a point?


If you speak in the forest and there is no one there to hear you....are you still wrong?

And...there is nothing "casual" about you observer......

Why do SL parents want our children so badly ?????

Neen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >>>the Annandale neighborhood of Camelot was
> redistricted in 1974 from the Woodson HS district
> to the Falls Church HS district<<<
>
> Are you saying that people should be aware that
> every 30 years there might be a redistricting? So
> people who bought their homes 40 years ago should
> have seen this coming? What about those who
> bought their homes 10 years ago, or even 5 years
> ago? How were they to know that FCPS would negate
> their choices for educating their children?


Nice of you to ignore my reply post from 25 minutes ago. It sure took you a while to come up with this additional retort. Maybe fatigue is setting in, and you should call it a night.

There is enough ongoing and continuing activity in studying the boundaries throughout the county that, even if people did not make the effort to understand in detail what the County School Board may and may not do within their powers, they were negligent if they did not at least determine that school boundaries in Fairfax County are not "set in stone". It is a single jurisdiction, quite unlike an area where jurisdictions are small (towns or townships), and neighboring towns can not simply redraw their boundaries to include each other. This has been going on since at least the late-1960s in Fairfax County (i.e., this is not a new phenomenon, if you didn't get the point previously), and people can also see evidence of the same phenomenon going on now in Loudoun County. Why anyone would think, given these circumstances, that they are entitled to go to a certain school, or that there is some sort of guarantee that school boundaries will not change, is beyond me.

I believe it is more likely a case that people knew that there was always a possibility that boundaries could changs, and made the "bet" that they would not, and took less care in where they bought their homes (i.e., on the fringes of the current boundary vs. right next to the school). They are now angry that they were not more careful, and lost their "bet".

Casual Observer,

Yes, the night is late. And the moon is out. And...suddenly, you appear.

CatLover!!!! Get your cat inside.

BirdLover Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Casual Observer,
>
> Yes, the night is late. And the moon is out.
> And...suddenly, you appear.
>
> CatLover!!!! Get your cat inside.

Birdlover, go back in your time out room, and take Neen with you!

Property Rights/Wrongs Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> con't....believe me..I' saving all of you...."I believe it is more likely a case that people
> knew that there was always a possibility that
> boundaries could changs, and made the "bet" that
> they would not, and took less care in where they
> bought their homes (i.e., on the fringes of the
> current boundary vs. right next to the school).
> They are now angry that they were not more
> careful, and lost their "bet".

You are i n c r e d i b i l y boring. No need for sleeping aides...wow

OhReally Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Padre wrote the following to me:
>
> "We don't want you, because you would be even more
> insufferable in person, for God's sake. Your kids
> might stand a chance, if they could get away from
> you for a while"
>
> Padre...I never inferred (that means, I never
> insinuated) that you wanted ME! It's my kids you
> want. Get a grip. (that means, understand what I
> am saying)
>
> Hasta Luego, Amigo

We are not amigos, OhReally, for a few reasons.

A minor one is your misuse of the word: inferred.

Inferred means "To conclude from evidence or premises", e.g., I inferred from the abundance of positive indicia that SLHS is the place for kids to go.

A major one is that you implied -- actually you asserted -- that we (presumably the SLHS/Reston community) "want" your kids, which suggests lascivious or covetous desire and is a grave insult. I understood what you were saying; don't like it; and reject it. We don't "want" your kids, but would welcome them if they came to SLHS for school and athletic sport.

Tell Neen to put the milk away when she goes to bed.

Neen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >>>I'm very glad South Lake HS is so proactive
> helping students with discipline issues<<<
>
> Wouldn't it be even better if they were simply
> booted out? How 'bout three strikes and you're
> out? How 'bout FCPS really expel some kids, and
> not just move them from school to school? How
> 'bout we have schools for those who really want to
> learn and get rid of the rest of them? Or at
> least put them all of those who don't want to
> learn in one school, so that the students at all
> the other schools aren't disrupted by them?


Why? You really think that everyone will be better off with them on the streets with no education at all? At least they are in a structured environment where they can be supervised. They arent disrupting the education of middle class kids like yours because they are not in advanced classes and in fact, they probably arent in class at all. Yes, a more structured disciplinary system is needed due to the population that makes up South Lakes. You would probably also be complaining if it weren't in place.

givvvvvvvvv Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Neen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >>>I'm very glad South Lake HS is so proactive
> > helping students with discipline issues<<<
> >
> > Wouldn't it be even better if they were simply
> > booted out? How 'bout three strikes and you're
> > out? How 'bout FCPS really expel some kids,
> and
> > not just move them from school to school? How
> > 'bout we have schools for those who really want
> to
> > learn and get rid of the rest of them? Or at
> > least put them all of those who don't want to
> > learn in one school, so that the students at
> all
> > the other schools aren't disrupted by them?
>
>
> Why? You really think that everyone will be better
> off with them on the streets with no education at
> all? At least they are in a structured environment
> where they can be supervised. They arent
> disrupting the education of middle class kids like
> yours because they are not in advanced classes and
> in fact, they probably arent in class at all. Yes,
> a more structured disciplinary system is needed
> due to the population that makes up South Lakes.
> You would probably also be complaining if it
> weren't in place.

I have an idea, gvvvvvv. We'll turn Madison into James Madison Magnet School for Disruptive and Expelled Students. The displaced Madison kids can be split between South Lakes and Falls Church HS, thus solving the under-crowding issues in those two schools. Madison is centrally located in the County so it is an obvious choice for the purpose.

What do you think, Padre?

We already have two schools for such students, Tysons Pimmit and Mountain View. Too bad the principals don't send more kids to those schools. Too bad that it takes MANY explusions before the student has to go to one of those schools.

That was my point, kids need to be booted out of school sooner. It could change the reputation of South Lakes within months. Of course it would also mean a further decline in number of students.

Casual Observer,
Why are you so angry? Is it too late for you to be up? Is lack of sleep making you cranky?

Hope you feel better soon!

>>>You would probably also be complaining if it weren't in place.<<<

You bet I would. I want a STRONGER discipline program in ALL schools. Less hand holding and more booting out. Kids who don't want to learn should not be allowed to disrupt the education of those who do.

"You bet I would. I want a STRONGER discipline program in ALL schools. Less hand holding and more booting out. Kids who don't want to learn should not be allowed to disrupt the education of those who do."

You cannot do that anymore. You try to boot out the trouble makers and I guarantee the next day Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would be marching in front of the county Taj Mahal. Of course since the county is run by spineless liberals Al and Jesse would be invited in and put up in the best hotel in the county at taxpayers expense.
The way they see it if a black student is kicked out for beating a teacher then a white student must also be kicked out for throwing a water balloon at another student. They only see the bottom line and that is how many blacks are kicked out and how many whites. The offense doesnt mean a thing. If there are more blacks than whites it is blatent racism, so their thinking goes.

VaDriver Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Property Rights/Wrongs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > con't....believe me..I' saving all of you...."I
> believe it is more likely a case that people
> > knew that there was always a possibility that
> > boundaries could changs, and made the "bet"
> that
> > they would not, and took less care in where
> they
> > bought their homes (i.e., on the fringes of the
> > current boundary vs. right next to the school).
>
> > They are now angry that they were not more
> > careful, and lost their "bet".
>
> You are i n c r e d i b i l y boring. No need for
> sleeping aides...wow

Because I am hitting too close to home, instead of trash-talking SLHS? Go to sleep, maybe you will have moved out of the denial phase by morning.

Property Rights/Wrongs Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> All of you that are potentially affected by a
> redistricting here, and are complaining about your
> kids being moved or your property values going
> down, are the ones who DID NOT DO THEIR HOMEWORK
> before buying your homes!!! Fairfax County has
> periodically done the same sorts of adjustments
> that they are talking about here for at least 40
> years!! If you wanted to ensure that your
> children would go to Madison or Oakton or
> whereever, you should have bought a house within
> walking distance of that school.
>
> If you want a historical example, the Annandale
> neighborhood of Camelot was redistricted in 1974
> from the Woodson HS district to the Falls Church
> HS district, when Falls Church intially started
> showing signs of what was then a decline in the
> number of students projected to go to that HS.
> Many other boundary changes have been made over
> the years, with both new schools being built and
> with situations arising like that noted above.
>
> If you chose to live in Fairfax County, your only
> "entitlement" is to have your children be eligible
> to attend County schools. You have no entitlement
> to which one! Shame on you for not having done
> your homework better...



yes, boundry changes have been made BUT only between Oakton, Chantilly and Westfield... I doubt anyone had the foresight to assume the risk that when they purchased their home they took a risk of sending their kids to a school with much lower test scores than Chantilly, Oakton and Westfield in order to raise other peoples homes values

has it ever occured to you that enrollment is down in SL because people with older children aren't buying in Reston because of SL


shame on YOU for your sense of entitlement.

Chantilly Mom,

Try that argument at the next boundary meeting. It will get you nowhere.

Property Rights/Wrongs Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> BirdLover Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Property,
> >
> > 1974... That's your big historical example. You
> > might as well remind us of the redistricting of
> > the Indians.
> >
> > You're not a developer who stands to gain from
> > this, are you? How many pockets have you lined,
> so
> > far?
>
> I cited that one, because it is the one that I can
> provide the most specifics on (I was a student at
> FCHS at the time).
>
> There are more, and more recent, examples, the
> lesson being (for those of you who missed the
> homework assigment) is that, the closer you are to
> an existing school boundary, the more at risk you
> are of ending up at a school that is different
> that the one that you had hoped your kids would go
> to.
>
> The lesson that I have learned from reading this
> thread is that some (many?) of the posters here
> have a long way to go toward understanding what
> exactly they are entitled to as citizens of
> Fairfax County.
>
> This is the first that I have heard mention of any
> developer-driven activity in this boundary study.
> Care to elaborate?


They can't elaborate b/c it is yet another myth on which their suspicion rests. You can't whine if you face the facts. So why face the facts?

Reston not liberal? And the pope isnt catholic either.

Everyone should know by now liberals spout all the PC BS about diversity being achieved by busing and keeping tabs on peoples thinking but just wait until it effects them, then it is a different story.

Look at the clintons. They were against school vouchers and yet when it came time to send their daughter to the DC public school they were dead set against it. DC public schools are good enough for everyday people but we are the clintons.

Dear Jack,

We folks in Reston are not asking for any disadvantaged students to be moved from our schools. We are only asking for enough enrollment so that we can receive equal return on our tax investment in terms of programming. I'd say we are practicing what we preach. We already know that South Lakes is a good school. You are the one making assumptions about the quality of the school based on the makeup of the student body. Besides, if we have an influx of middle class students our demographics will look no different than Westfield, Herndon, or Chantilly. Then how will you kick us around?

Tell me, who did your district support in last year's Senate race? I think your district trended liberal, so don't talk to us about ideology.

This thread has degenerated into a discussion on politics and liberal bashing (thanks to elitist Neen) which has nothing to do with redistricting. I am a conservative and I live in Reston. I like South Lakes. My children have not been harmed in any way by associating with the children of 'liberals.' In fact, I encourage them to engage in healthy debate with people of all political persuasions.

You tell 'em, CO.

The degeneration has led to the inevitable: it's all the Clintons' fault.

If we shatter enough foolish stereotypes about SLHS and Reston, we'll never make to page 100. That would be a pity, no?

Padre,

Why do you care about this? Why do you want the kids from our district to come to your school? WHY?

SLHS Padre Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You tell 'em, CO.
>
> The degeneration has led to the inevitable: it's
> all the Clintons' fault.
>
> If we shatter enough foolish stereotypes about
> SLHS and Reston, we'll never make to page 100.
> That would be a pity, no?

Thanks Padre. I may have retired, but I haven't gone away!

TO South Lakes Parents,

All I have been reading from you people is how great your school is. Yet, you're all here screaming at us.....calling us racists, closed minded, etc,. If your school is so great, why are you desperately trying to get our kids?

Why, if you're all so happy there, don't you leave us alone? I think you are liars. The only reason you would be so desperate to get your hands on our kids is because you stand to gain.

BE HONEST

Now, I'm even more opposed to this busing thing, than before. You're all a bunch of liars. I don't want my kids with a bunch of liars.

Neen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> We already have two schools for such students,
> Tysons Pimmit and Mountain View. Too bad the
> principals don't send more kids to those schools.
> Too bad that it takes MANY explusions before the
> student has to go to one of those schools.
>
> That was my point, kids need to be booted out of
> school sooner. It could change the reputation of
> South Lakes within months. Of course it would
> also mean a further decline in number of students.



Neen, oh High Priestess of late night Drivel:

Did you intend to mix explosion and expulsion = explusion? Otherwise, you once again show that you are a hypocrite (since you have often criticized spelling, grammar, and other less-than-TJ lofty standards).

You mention kicking out kids sooner, yet the SLHS community (e.g., yesterday's student paper talked about the impact on the 08 class) notes that five (or six) football players were kicked out of SLHS in their freshman year. They were expelled for excessive zeal (my word) in administering birthday punches that escalated beyond a joke but well short of a beatdown. It was a message to kids on zero tolerance, even though it probably gutted the football team (best players on an undefeated freshman team and most are now stars and good students elsewhere).

Would that have changed your view of SLHS' reputation? Didn't think so.

wait until Hillary gets into office and you wont have to worry about which school your kids get into. All schools will just be given a number. The subjects taught will be why Sara has two moms, socialist thinking for today, how to lie without being caught and I trust my husband when he said he didnt screw that woman. Oh yes the all time favorite how to make a million in the futures markets with a $10,000 investment.

Hi. bottom line'

I tried to tell peolple from your area that its not that we really want your childrem here. We really dont, you just have to believe me because I am telling you the truth. Plese believe me.

People told me that it would be a good thing if your children come here because than our school will be better. We have some problems here that you dont understand.

So you would be helping us if you let your children come here and go to school.
There, do you now know.

I am not a liar.

jack of all trades Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> wait until Hillary gets into office and you wont
> have to worry about which school your kids get
> into. All schools will just be given a number. The
> subjects taught will be why Sara has two moms,
> socialist thinking for today, how to lie without
> being caught and I trust my husband when he said
> he didnt screw that woman. Oh yes the all time
> favorite how to make a million in the futures
> markets with a $10,000 investment.

Like I was saying...this site has degenerated. I guess the good news is that it shows the StopRD folks in their most unreasonable, true light.

Now go enjoy the weekend.

Jax:

Would you like an invitation to the new elementary school opening: Vince Foster (Hillary did it) elementary?

Want to spend a few million on whether Hillary took an illegal right turn on red in 1983?

Redistricting = flouridated water.

.

parentofsouthlakesschool,

I believe you.

Don't worry about all this bickering. Although, I'm going to fight to keep my kids where they are, hopefully, there will some positives that come out of this.

Maybe, you and the other parents who care about their children can fight for those programs without stealing our children.

Bottom lime,

Thank you for believing in me.

You tell me to fight for good programs and all. Well, I don't know how to even begin to do what you are asking.

I see some of the South Lakes parents here sound smart and like good parents and all but there are alot of bad parents here in South Lakes schools.

My son is afraid in the school because alots of the other boys like to fight and take the drugs. Lots of these boys don't have fathers to help the mothers. They are not good boys and have troubles all the time. The school does nothing about these bad children and they have bad parents.

I wish my son could go to your school really.

Sorry about all this upset here and wish you could know that I am a good mohter.

CO,

Since you now have met us and clearly you don't like us, I guess you no longer want to get your dirty little hands on our children. RIGHT?

Why don't you and all your South Lakes comrades leave us the alone. Go fix your oun run-down school. Start by teaching your kids not to get pregnant. Stop bringing more welfare kids into this world. Maybe you won't need so many time-out rooms.

FIX YOUR OWN PROBLEMS AND KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY KIDS.

I'm beginning to think you're all a bunch of perverts.

We are on page 51 and new names and same messages as p. 1, except now we have the Clintons and ridiculous allegations of perversion. Time to move on.

Good luck. We'll all need it.

PADRE,

Why do you want my children?

WHY are you and other parents from South Lakes in here trying to get my children?

You South Lakes parents have told us how much you love your schools and how happy you are and how your kids are all going to Ivy League colleges....

SO ..... Why are you all so desperate to get your hands on my children. Leave us alone? Stop stalking my children

You people are scaring the hell out of us. You look like a bunch of predators.

Padre,

Ridiculous allegation of perversion?

Sorry, but I've never seen a group of people want my children so badly. Leave our children alone and maybe you won't raise suspicion.

SLHS Padre Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Neen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We already have two schools for such students,
> > Tysons Pimmit and Mountain View. Too bad the
> > principals don't send more kids to those
> schools
> ...football players were kicked out of SLHS
> in their freshman year. They were expelled for
> excessive zeal (my word) in administering birthday
> punches that escalated beyond a joke but well
> short of a beatdown...

And FCPS moved them over to what -Westfield? - in regular education and most likely provided transportation. How much football did they miss???

IMHO rather than move them elsewhere for the benefit of that football team at my expense- they should have to do janitorial work and landscaping work while watching other kids play their sport for at least 1 year. For all anyone knows this was a football trade - some kids do stints at other schools and never miss a beat on their sports. And these kids never returned to South Lakes? Most return when bounced for a while due to drugs, etc at many base schools.

NO EXTRA CREDIT ELECTIVES PLUS KITCHEN, JANITORIAL, ETC would solve alot of problems and save us all money. Think of it as real world academy courses - Gourmet Foods, Building Management, Landscape Architecture, etc.

TO ALL YOU SOUTH LAKES BLABBER MOUTHS

Move on. Get out of my neighborhood. Go find another place to steal children.

SCAT.. that's right, I mean all of you. Shake a leg. And, I mean, NOW!!

You're a bunch of vultures. Get going. Go stalk some other kids.

WashingToneLocian wrote the following:

"In fact, I would rather have my kids hanging around an ethnically diverse group of kids instead of a bunch of well-healed kids of lawyers and lobbyists who can afford blow for every weekend party and good lawyers for those date-rape cases."

So, basically you're saying that ethnically diverse schools are attended by kids whose parents are uneducated and poor so they can't afford a lawyer for date rape cases.

Yes, I can see why you would prefer to have your kids in one of those ethnically diverse school.

GetOut wrote:


TO ALL YOU SOUTH LAKES BLABBER MOUTHS

Move on. Get out of my neighborhood. Go find another place to steal children.

SCAT.. that's right, I mean all of you. Shake a leg. And, I mean, NOW!!

You're a bunch of vultures. Get going. Go stalk some other kids.



I second that motion!!

>>>they were expelled for excessive zeal (my word) in administering birthday punches that escalated beyond a joke but well short of a beatdown. It was a message to kids on zero tolerance, even though it probably gutted the football team (best players on an undefeated freshman team and most are now stars and good students elsewhere).

Would that have changed your view of SLHS' reputation? Didn't think so.<<<

Good grief! They can't even get discipline right. No one cares about football player pranks with each other! Parents care about discipline IN THE CLASSROOM, not in the locker room!

This 'zero tolerance' message says don't punch your friends in the locker room. It says NOTHING about how to behave in the classroom!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/17/2007 03:58PM by Neen.

Let's make bets on when this thread will hit 100 pages? I'm betting it will do that in a month, just after the meeting on December 19th meeting when the school board, oops, I mean staff, tells you which neighborhoods will have to go to South Lakes.

Quite a Christmas bonanza for private and parochial schools!

Here we are at the next meeting. I'm not sure if we should carry torches or signs that read: JUST SAY NO TO BUSING
Attachments:

Get over it, westfield kids will be goin to South Lakes. Sure South Lakes is the most Mexican High School in Fairfax aside from the Juvenile Detention Center and Mountain View correction school, but Westfield is a bunch of out of control rich kids who are asses and all buy drugs cause they can afford them. Then the outcasts there become killers, the Kennedyt kid shot up the police, the asian one shot up VT and that girl gets drunk at a football game and kills a reatarded kids mom ruining the family. And ur gonna tell me SOuth Lakes is bad. GET OVER IT, wait till the public schools start doing drug testing in a few years, and then I think the public opinion will change.

Eriko, get out of the way. There's a mob of angry gringos heading straight for you.

Very true indeed- how Chelsea ended up at Sidwell friends. Go figure with the Clintons.
We are talking the talk and most importantly,walking the walk in support of this very fine school!
South Lakes will continue to thrive as it gains momentum though the years.

In the meantime we continue to listen to angry parents

This is life,communities grow, change is in order. Especially in this growing area.

And guess what?? Everyone in South Lakes district is not liberal.

South Lakes Advocate

Here is a picture of the school board after they listen to those angry parents you referred to. (For all you teachers over the age of 60.... sorry, I ended that sentence with a preposition)
Attachments:

Funny...so funny

>>>TO ALL YOU SOUTH LAKES BLABBER MOUTHS

Move on. Get out of my neighborhood. Go find another place to steal children.

SCAT.. that's right, I mean all of you. Shake a leg. And, I mean, NOW!!

You're a bunch of vultures. Get going. Go stalk some other kids.<<<

Not very nice, but I like it!

SCAT!!!!

The monkeys are a lot better looking than our school board. Probably alot smarter too.

"Everyone in South Lakes district is not liberal."

Then why would they live there?

""Get over it, westfield kids will be goin to South Lakes. Sure South Lakes is the most Mexican High School in Fairfax aside from the Juvenile Detention Center and Mountain View correction school, but Westfield is a bunch of out of control rich kids who are asses and all buy drugs cause they can afford them. Then the outcasts there become killers, the Kennedyt kid shot up the police, the asian one shot up VT and that girl gets drunk at a football game and kills a reatarded kids mom ruining the family. And ur gonna tell me SOuth Lakes is bad. GET OVER IT, wait till the public schools start doing drug testing in a few years, and then I think the public opinion will change.""

How come you want those kids in your school? All them druggie killers?

Sue wrote:

"The monkeys are a lot better looking than our school board. Probably alot smarter too."


Laughing so hard, fell off my chair.

Eriko Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Get over it, westfield kids will be goin to South
> Lakes. Sure South Lakes is the most Mexican High
> School in Fairfax aside from the Juvenile
> Detention Center and Mountain View correction
> school, ...

You are not only rude and illiterate but you are also wrong.
South Lakes is only 16% Hispanic.
Herndon, 19%.
Lee, 23%.
Mount Vernon, 23%
Edison, 25%
Annandale, 28%.
Falls Church, 33%.
Stuart, 41%

The last I looked our Reston area is quite a desirable place to live with high-end real estate and amazing communities. After looking at some of these comments from the parents of students out there, think it might be better if you and your kids do stay where you are! Stealing kids, stalking -- give me a break! What are your kids like if this is how you express yourselves?
This is only about growth in this area and fixing enrollment numbers. Has happened before and will happen again to your grandchildren!

CH Wrote:
> **SIGH** Folks might notice that no one at South
> Lakes is AGAINST any of the other schools. Many of
> us have actually been talking about ways we would
> love to celebrate and welcome our new communities
> when the time comes. The opposite seems to be true
> of some people from our neighboring schools. It's
> a shame.


Don't have a party on my account or my children cause we are not coming!

Location, location Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The last I looked our Reston area is quite a
> desirable place to live with high-end real estate
> and amazing communities. After looking at some of
> these comments from the parents of students out
> there, think it might be better if you and your
> kids do stay where you are! Stealing kids,
> stalking -- give me a break! What are your kids
> like if this is how you express yourselves?
> This is only about growth in this area and fixing
> enrollment numbers. Has happened before and will
> happen again to your grandchildren!

A while back, I asked...Why do South Lakes parents want our children so badly? Still, no answer.

Its one thing for the school board to promote a social engineering agenda but why are the South Lakes parents so incredibly focused on taking/stealing/abducting/using...whatever....our children.??

Location, location Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The last I looked our Reston area is quite a
> desirable place to live ...
> This is only about growth in this area and fixing
> enrollment numbers. ...

On September 30th of this year, South Lakes had 1,443 students.

Hayfield, with more capacity, had 1,582 students. Mt Vernon, with a capacity of 2,550, had only 1,758 students, giving it the same percent capacity as South Lakes. Both Hayfield and Mt Vernon are adjacent to South County Secondary, which is and is projected to be very over-crowded. If this is about capacity imbalances and "fixing enrollment numbers", then why aren't these other schools being looked at FIRST?

Marshall, which is also an IB school, has only 1,325 students, more than a hundred fewer than South Lakes. Why isn't the School Board worried about Marshall not having "enough" students? Oh, that's right, they bring in more students with their "academy" courses. So why shouldn't South Lakes just become some sort of magnet as well?

Dear Forum Reader,

Just because the SB is addressing discrepancies in the Western part of the County does not necessarily mean that they are not also concerned about enrollment issues in other parts of the County. I am certain those issues will be addressed in time.

With regards to Hayfield, Mt. Vernon and South County, the SB most certainly dropped the ball and displayed cowardice when South County was being built. They caved to pressure from parents in the area and did not include Mount Vernon in the boundary change study. They should have included Mount Vernon. If they had, South County would not be overcrowded now.

I am glad they are stepping up now and not succombing to the angry mob (read the posts above to get an idea what I mean).

To South Lakes Supporters: You'll notice that these 50 pages have been populated by a mere handful of opponents. I would not waste your time at this site. These folks don't represent the majority anyway when you consider that some 2,500 people came to the first boundary meeting (not an unusual number for boundary meetings) and there are 165,000 kids in our schools. Over the last week I have now quietly heard from more than 30 families in areas of potential redistricting that they would be happy to come to South lakes. They're out there. That's more people than have ranted in here. Anyone with a real and rational interest in this process will educate themselves appropriately. So I'd like to propose that all supporters of South Lakes boycott this site and leave those who want to rant among themselves alone. I'm sure some of them will write here that they'd appreciate it, too. (My bet is if we leave, they will lose their motivation.)

You are right, CH. Initally this site provided an opportunity for SL supporters to change a few minds, and judging from some of the comments, we did. Most all of the reasonable posters have gone, and we are left with the recalcitrant, unpleasant dregs. I would not want them anyway, but many who posted here earlier would be a wonderful addition to the school.

I think we can officially declare that this site has 'jumped the shark.'

In response to the South Lakes population-- focused on, "stealing children" is really just an outrageous, obnoxious statement. They don't want "your" children (especially after reading your posts, whew.) They want the high schools numbers balanced in this area. That is all. And not to worry about SL supporters; we know that in the long run, we will be just fine as we are presently. And yes,thanks CH and CO- as we know, there are many who are who encouraged by the idea of redistricting!

Bottom Line Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Why do you care about this? Why do you want the
> kids from our district to come to your school?
> WHY?



I reiterate my proposal: My proposal is to offer a competitive academic program at South Lakes by allocating staff based upon school capacity rather than enrollment. Thus, South Lakes would have roughly the same staffing level and teacher quality as Oakton (similar capacity). South Lakes could then have the same course offerings as more highly enrolled schools, including selected AP classes. As an added benefit, South Lakes' average class size would be smaller than the FCPS average. Because of the smaller class sizes, some parents may even elect to pupil place their students in South Lakes for the quality of instruction!

This proposal preserves the current districting keeping most parents happy in that respect, and makes the program of instruction at South Lakes compeitive with the other Western Fairfax County High Schools. Of course, we will have to take a couple of teachers away from the other schools, but it will be fair to all students and schools in Fairfax County (at least the Western Part!)

We don't need Bottom Lines kids at South Lakes, we need more resource from his/her current school so that we can have a competitive academic program too!

I want to visit South Lakes High School and see the scuff free halls and the sun-filled media center. Why do they need high school kids to go all over and do PR for them???

Trickie

Trickie:

With teachers like you, they need real life lessons in fighting through the BS.

Exodus,

How did you know I used to be a teacher? I think there are problems all over this county, not just at South Lakes.

Trickie

Another Voter Wrote:
> ... My proposal is to offer
> a competitive academic program at South Lakes by
> allocating staff based upon school capacity rather
> than enrollment. Thus, South Lakes would have
> roughly the same staffing level and teacher
> quality as Oakton (similar capacity). South Lakes
> could then have the same course offerings as more
> highly enrolled schools, including selected AP
> classes. As an added benefit, South Lakes' average
> class size would be smaller than the FCPS average. ...
>

South Lakes capacity after renovation is stated to be 2,100. The closest school in size to compare is Hayfield, capacity 2125. Is their AP program what you are you seeking?

If you instead want South Lakes to remain an IB school, the closest in size is Lee, capacity 1850 and 1875 on board this fall. What does Lee offer that South Lakes does not?
IB SL Business & Mgmt.
IB HL and IB SL Spanish A2
IB SL Anthropology
IB HL and SL Psychology
IB HL Physics
French, German, Japanese, and Spanish ab initio
AP Statistics

What does South Lakes offer that Lee does not?
IB SL Latin
IB SL History (American)
IB HL Computer Science

But back to your original proposal. Why would EVER you allocate staff by "capacity"? Would you, for example, hire a German teacher just to sit around all year waiting for students to sign up for the class?

Bricks and mortar do not need staff, STUDENTS do. Are you willing for South Lakes to loose the extra staffing it receives for Special Education, ESOL, and IB? You have to consider the CHILDREN, first, last, and always.

Reston resident Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ... we know that in the long run,
> we will be just fine as we are presently.

It is nice that you are fine with the way things are now. Many other families are too. Rather than making THEM move, have you instead told all those families who want their children to attend South Lakes that it is very easy to arrange?

For information about pupil placement transfers go to http://
www.fcps.edu/ss/student-transfer/

[quote-Casual Observer]Dear Forum Reader,

Just because the SB is addressing discrepancies in the Western part of the County does not necessarily mean that they are not also concerned about enrollment issues in other parts of the County. I am certain those issues will be addressed in time.

With regards to Hayfield, Mt. Vernon and South County, the SB most certainly dropped the ball and displayed cowardice when South County was being built. They caved to pressure from parents in the area and did not include Mount Vernon in the boundary change study. They should have included Mount Vernon. If they had, South County would not be overcrowded now.

I am glad they are stepping up now and not succombing to the angry mob (read the posts above to get an idea what I mean).[/quote]

SC is drastically overcrowded and 3 of the 5 hs/ss schools that share boundaries are undercapacity (Hayfield, Mount Vernon AND newly-renovated Lake Braddock) with enrollment projections slated to decrease further. Before a South County Middle School is built, the seats at H, MV and LB should be filled. This does mean moving part of Crosspointe and Barrington subdivisions.

Forum Reader Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Another Voter Wrote:
> > ... My proposal is to offer
> > a competitive academic program at South Lakes
> by
> > allocating staff based upon school capacity
> rather
> > than enrollment. Thus, South Lakes would have
> > roughly the same staffing level and teacher
> > quality as Oakton (similar capacity). South
> Lakes
> > could then have the same course offerings as
> more
> > highly enrolled schools, including selected AP
> > classes. As an added benefit, South Lakes'
> average
> > class size would be smaller than the FCPS
> average. ...
> >
>
> South Lakes capacity after renovation is stated to
> be 2,100. The closest school in size to compare is
> Hayfield, capacity 2125. Is their AP program what
> you are you seeking?
>
> If you instead want South Lakes to remain an IB
> school, the closest in size is Lee, capacity 1850
> and 1875 on board this fall. What does Lee offer
> that South Lakes does not?
> IB SL Business & Mgmt.
> IB HL and IB SL Spanish A2
> IB SL Anthropology
> IB HL and SL Psychology
> IB HL Physics
> French, German, Japanese, and Spanish ab initio
> AP Statistics
>
> What does South Lakes offer that Lee does not?
> IB SL Latin
> IB SL History (American)
> IB HL Computer Science
>
> But back to your original proposal. Why would EVER
> you allocate staff by "capacity"? Would you, for
> example, hire a German teacher just to sit around
> all year waiting for students to sign up for the
> class?
>
> Bricks and mortar do not need staff, STUDENTS do.
> Are you willing for South Lakes to loose the extra
> staffing it receives for Special Education, ESOL,
> and IB? You have to consider the CHILDREN, first,
> last, and always.


I think you made my point! Currently, South Lakes is a about 1300 students and it has far fewer course offerings that Lee at 1850 students. I want my child to have the same breadth of offerings as Lee. That can happen one of two ways: either South Lakes increases its student population to 1850 (which, it appears, most FCPS parents do not favor), or we add the courses and teachers independent of student population (which is my proposal). I choose capacity as my metric for the number of teachers because all of these teachers need classrooms.

> > ... What does Lee offer that South Lakes does not?
> > IB SL Business & Mgmt.
> > IB HL and IB SL Spanish A2
> > IB SL Anthropology
> > IB HL and SL Psychology
> > IB HL Physics
> > French, German, Japanese, and Spanish ab initio
> > AP Statistics
> >
> > What does South Lakes offer that Lee does not?
> > IB SL Latin
> > IB SL History (American)
> > IB HL Computer Science ...
> >
..................
> I think you made my point! Currently, South Lakes
> is a about 1300 students and it has far fewer
> course offerings that Lee at 1850 students. I
> want my child to have the same breadth of
> offerings as Lee. ...
..............
A minor correction: According to the handout from the town meeting, South Lakes has 1,443 students.

Remember South Lakes offers three IB courses that Lee does not.
South Lakes could choose to replace IB SL Latin with IB SL Business & Mgmt.
It could choose to replace IB SL History (American) with IB SL Anthropology.
It could choose to replace IB HL Computer Science with IB HL Physics.
That leaves:
> > IB HL and IB SL Spanish A2
> > IB HL and SL Psychology
> > French, German, Japanese, and Spanish ab initio
> > AP Statistics

It makes sense to Lee to offers Spanish A2 (for native speakers) because it has almost twice as many Hispanic students as South Lakes. Are you familiar with ab initio courses? They are two-year IB courses designed for students who have not previously studied that language. Is that what you really want?

Or are you simply looking to add IB Psychology and AP Stat? If the School Board funds an additional .5 teaching positions to teach these two courses, will you then feel your child has the same opportunities as at Lee?

Forum Reader Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> Or are you simply looking to add IB Psychology and
> AP Stat? If the School Board funds an additional
> .5 teaching positions to teach these two courses,
> will you then feel your child has the same
> opportunities as at Lee?


If my child has access to a curriculum that is roughly the same as students at Lee or Oakton, I will feel that my child has the same opportunity. For example, according to the FCPS web site the following classes are offered at Oakton:

Technology-based courses including Advanced Placement and Accelerated Computer Science, Graphics Design, Computer Graphics, Engineering and Architectural Design, and business classes
Fine and performing arts including Photography, Media Focus, Advanced Placement Art History, Advanced Placement Art Studio, Advanced Placement Music Theory, Chorus, Orchestra, Band, and Theater Arts
Other electives programs including Philosophy, Sociology, Psychology, SAT Prep, Advanced Composition, Peer Mediation, Phoenix, Journalism, Creative Writing, Advanced Marketing, and Sports-Entertainment Marketing

What are the equivalents at South Lakes? Thanks in advance.

CH and CO announced that they are leaving the forum.

Good Riddance!

Oh, dear, I was looking out my window and saw CH and CO running wildly down the street, arms flailing in the air. The angry mob was right behind them.

There hasn't been a day that has gone by that this issue hasn't been on my mind. I sit here and wonder, "what is it that we have done to make all of these parents hate us so much?" I'm not a gang member, I don't have low scores, bad grades, etc. and either do the majority of the people I know at South Lakes. Every school has it's issues but I am truly tired of certain *ignorant* people who accuse us of being evil gangbangers that are going to do nothing with our lives. And to those few people out there, I just wanted to let you all know that you are making yourselves look terrible and I pity you. I understand you are fighting for what you believe in, but HONESTLY this is about the future of your children. It's not about YOU. South Lakes is an incredible place. We actually have good test scores if you ever bothered to check. IB program is great...even our band ranks #1 in the state. Oh wait there seems to be one downside...DIVERSITY. Guess what? Get over it, it's happening and it's spreading. Diversity is the future of Fairfax County and that is just how it is. So I kindly advise you all to get a grip on reality and accept it as it is. And for those who think their children are the wonderful little angels they play out to be...do you REALLY know what your kid is doing in their free time? South Lakes is AMAZING because youth of all races and backgrounds and religions AND roots can all come together as a family and live as one. If you are not able to do that, then we do not want you in our family either. I also suggest that if you are so dissatisfied with how things are going that you enroll your child in a private school. I'm sure you can afford it, plently of Restonians send their kids to private schools and we're just a bunch of low income families. Have a lovely day :)

-A proud supporter of teh Seahawk Nation

P.S. I'm Hispanic, scared? Maybe you should be but not because I'm a *Gangster* but because I'm smart, independent, and proud.

Well said!

OneofaSeahawkNation Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> IB program is great.... Oh wait there seems to be one downside...DIVERSITY.

It is nice that you are happy with the IB programme, but MANY people STRONGLY dislike IB for a whole lot of reasons, starting with the way the entire master schedule must revolve around the few IB Diploma Candidates.

It is nice that you are proud of your school. I guess you wouldn't to see it closed down and have all of you sent out to the available spaces in surrounding schools. Why then can you not understand the families in surrounding schools are also proud of THEIR schools and want to stay where THEY are?

We all understand the need to redistrict when a new school is opened. Most of us understand the need redistrict if a significantly overcrowded school is located next to a school that has hundreds of empty seats, but the schools we are talking about are NOT projected to be "significantly overcrowded" five years from now.In contrast, THE most overcrowded is South County, which is surrounded by schools with so much empty space that South County could close entirely and there would STILL be excess space. We do not understand why FCPS isn't spending their time and effort fixing the SIGNIFICANT problem in that part of the County.

Can we have a calm discussion on issues such as these without implying everyone who disagrees with you is a racist?

Please define "diversity" and then do a little research on your criteria. South Lakes is NOT in the top seven FCPS high schools if you measure "diversity" by any of the following:
Percentage of Hispanic students.
Percentage of Black AND Hispanic students.
Percentage of non-White students.
Percentage of students who qualify for Free or Reduced Price Meals (the commonly accepted way to measure the percentage of students who live in low income households).

All of us will be paying for South County Middle School if we don't let our School Board know how we feel about the unused, empty seats at LB, H, MV. Bradsher and her cronies insisted that funding SCSS didn't cost the county a dime due to the "public-private partnership" but in reality that is not true. Many other FCPS buildings' renovations were delayed for years due to the premature construction of SCSS. This past year there was a boundary study done to address the SCSS overcrowding. The "less desirable" Lorton kids were sent back to Hayfield making H and SC very disparate in terms of socioeconomic and racial diversity.

I think you made my point! Currently, South Lakes is a about 1300 students and it has far fewer course offerings that Lee at 1850 students. I want my child to have the same breadth of offerings as Lee. That can happen one of two ways: either South Lakes increases its student population to 1850 (which, it appears, most FCPS parents do not favor), or we add the courses and teachers independent of student population (which is my proposal). I choose capacity as my metric for the number of teachers because all of these teachers need classrooms.


Notice the pronouns used above from a SL supporter ( I/ I /ME / MY CHILD)

what the hell makes you any better than those of us that do NOT want OUR/MY/ME children to go to SL. keep your school and all you have or don't have, if you want something you don't have go to W/L. If you want AP go to a school that offers that or move. I don't want what you have and should not be subject to something I don't want this is AMERICA YES IT IS if you are confused. I speak english and I expect my children to pray and say the pledge IN ENGLISH. I could also care less how many of you get free lunch, ( much like a cell phone on the weekend free minutes) no they are not I am paying for the lunches.

See you at Westfield!!

There have been racial/diversity undertones in many postings. The student has a point. These kids shouldn't be subject to numerous hurtful comments directed toward their school. Just look at The Washington Post quote today.

SL STUDENT wrote, Nov.15

"UHMM OUR SCORES HAVE GOTTEN MUCH BETTER AND ALL OF YOU PARENTS WHO DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AT SOUTH LAKES AND LISTEN TO MEDIA ALL THE TIME NEED TO REALIZE ITS JUST HYPED STUFF YOU [WHITE] PEOPLE NEED TO STOP BEING SO JUDGEMENTAL AND IGNORANT AND REALIZE YOUR ACTING LIKE CHILDREN."


2nd post:
"You moron westfield, oakton, langley, and madison are both "around" South Lakes how about you look at the districting make before you open your ignorant ass mouth...geez! what the hell is wrong with you people you need to think before you say shit!"



This homeboy isn't being educated at South Lakes.

I think there are many issues that are making people upset over the redistricting. Yes, there are people who are anti-South Lakes. Obviously, you can't do anything about those people. On the flip side, there are those SL supporters who feel that they deserve everything they are asking for. In between, are those who just want to stay in their current schools. You know, this whole redistricting is NOT just about SL. It's about not leaving Westfield to go to Herndon. It's about not leaving Chantilly to go to Oakton. It's about community. It's about all the domino moves that will be made in order to add to the enrollment of SL. I think that's what is driving the ill will toward the school board and fcps. And yes, I know that people will say that this should be expected in Fairfax County. Well, some of us just went through this seven years ago and here we are again. Just because the School Board can doesn't mean they should.

South Lakes is only 16% Hispanic.
Herndon, 19%.
Lee, 23%.
Mount Vernon, 23%
Edison, 25%
Annandale, 28%.
Falls Church, 33%.
Stuart, 41%

All of them IB schools, aren't they? How come all the crummy schools get stuck with a crummy program? Which came first? Did IB make them crummy? Or were they crummy even before they got screwed with IB?

""They caved to pressure from parents in the area and did not include Mount Vernon in the boundary change study. They should have included Mount Vernon. If they had, South County would not be overcrowded now.""

You reckon they'll cave on South Lakes too?

""My proposal is to offer a competitive academic program at South Lakes by allocating staff based upon school capacity rather than enrollment. Thus, South Lakes would have roughly the same staffing level and teacher quality as Oakton (similar capacity). South Lakes could then have the same course offerings as more highly enrolled schools, including selected AP classes. As an added benefit, South Lakes' average class size would be smaller than the FCPS average. Because of the smaller class sizes, some parents may even elect to pupil place their students in South Lakes for the quality of instruction!""

That is a wonderful plan. Have you sent that to the school board? Who wouldn't be happy with that? Saves lots of hassles and solves the problems at South Lakes.

No one is going to send more kids to Mount Vernon.

""I want to visit South Lakes High School and see the scuff free halls and the sun-filled media center.""

I thought that was hilarious too. I about busted a gut laughing at that. Who the heck cares that they now got windows in the ceiling?

All you all should do what I do and just send your kids to private schools. Then you don't have to worry about what these dopes do in the government schools. Let them use some other kids for their political games and social experiments.

""The angry mob was right behind them.""

The flying monkeys too? The ones on the School board?