navy parent Wrote:
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> Hootribe: You sound like a very nice lady but I've
> got to comment on your post. With all due
> respect, your situation is not the same as ours.
> You researched the schools and (I'm sure) the
> housing prices and locations, and then you bought
> a house in the SLHS boundary. And your
> expectation is that your bright, loved children
> will go to HWES/LHMS/SLHS.
>
> Well, I did the exact thing except for I can't
> really write that my three children are very
> bright and will do well anywhere without gagging
> slightly -- sorry just a personality difference.
> And now I am being forced to split my kids into
> different high schools, drive an hour to Oakton to
> attend/pick up my rising eighth-grader, and
> contribute to two different high schools.
>
> And Oakton parents are now forced to accept a
> different academic curriculum and school than they
> expected when they bought their houses in the
> Oakton district.
>
> So anyhew, I really don't think you can compare
> your issues to what we are going through because
> YOU don't have to change high schools. I'm sorry,
> but your experience (of being slandered I guess)
> is just not equivalent.
>
> I can't believe you would compare your offended
> sensibility with those Navy parents who now have
> an increased commute and split siblings. Or the
> Floris parents who have been unable to have any
> sort of stability in their school boundaries and
> curriculum. Or the Fox Mill ES parents who have
> to switch schools and programs and split
> siblings.
>
> I'm sorry, like I said I think you are a nice
> lady, just a little insensitive to the
> redistricted families. It didn't sound any
> different than being told to quit whining and just
> do what we're told or to make lemonade out of the
> lemons we were just handed.


I would just like to add that I went to all the meetings, watched the public hearings on Apple 21 and I am very proud of the Navy community. No one from Navy threw any other neighborhood under the bus, nor did that say anything about South Lakes. Yes, we lost a very close vote, thanks to Kathy and Stu and yes we were extremely disappointed with the outcome.

Our issue was and is the close proximity of our neighborhoods to Chantilly.

nope Wrote:
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> Most of us live a little bit beyond Navy, so we
> are back to the 25 minute drive. Factor in taking
> a bus and we are at a minimum, 30 minutes. Plus,
> our piik up time will be aobut 6:15 vs. 6:50 for
> Chantilly. How about the commute home after
> practices during rush hour? I have friends who do
> it now and they live a little closer to Oakton and
> it takes them 45 minutes to get home. You also
> can not deny the higher than average prescription
> drug use from your students. And I have to tell
> you, your principals behavior with shooting a
> cougar and bragging about that and how he is going
> to display it at your school is disgusting and not
> the type of leader I wish for my children. We
> love Chantilly and prefer Chantilly for the sense
> of community, academics, athletics and the better
> quality of life when we are so close to our great
> school.
>
>
>

Actually, it is this behavior by Dr. Banbury that makes him a hero to us and our children.

Hunting is a legal and widely practiced sport in this country. One of the things that makes America great!

sb_stu_gibson_ruling Wrote:
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> Ok just kidding. LOL - But really - the SB has 10 solid votes 10 to 2 and the
> elections are in 2011 - so there is nothing we can do till then.

You could sign the recall petition and contribute to the legal fund to prosecute it.

HooTribe Wrote:
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> fm/c/o parent Wrote:
> A very convincing
> argument could have been made that families want
> to remain at their existing schools without the
> insults or dragging SL through the mud.

They arguments were made, and frankly, it didn't make a bit of difference.

This was always about SL - none of the other criteria ever made any sense and the public knew that from the word 'go' and said so

Once you home in on the issue of SL, everything else follows from there - you pull down the stats, you ask why is it so under-enrolled, why the performance gaps

And no-one ever came up with a convincing argument - just 'alice can't do jewelry making' or 'no-one turns up to our games' - no-one ever made a convincing argument that academic opportunities were missing - nothing that could convince anyone that the exercise was anything other than covering up legitimate issues with larger numbers

Who made it the SL community's job to start pointing and saying "we'll have them, and them, not them, yup them"? SL dragged itself through the mud.

They should have stuck at trying to persuade the wider community that they had a problem - but they didn't, they advocated for a very specific solution - and when people started to drill into what the problem was, then they started to cry racism and elitism

So you're suggesting that the public shouldn't have spoken up about the issues at SL?

The one person on the SB who said what everyone else knew was the student rep. The SB handed out a lemon.

How do you do that? Just direct me and I will pass it on to the very angry parents of the navy community. Can we add to get rid of Kathy smith too?

Thomas More Wrote:
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> sb_stu_gibson_ruling Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ok just kidding. LOL - But really - the SB has
> 10 solid votes 10 to 2 and the
> > elections are in 2011 - so there is nothing we
> can do till then.
>
> You could sign the recall petition and contribute
> to the legal fund to prosecute it.

Plus, this lemon is doomed to fail. It just is. They have screwed the pooch from start to middle.


Most of the Navy students and certainly most of the "oldest sibling" families will go to Oakton and be perfectly fine and happy.

Many of the FME families will pupil-place back to Oakton. I don't know of ONE family that hasn't started pupil-placement, private school application, or started the relocation process back into cougar territory. They are just determined not to go to SL. So Oakton will be back at it's old numbers with a slug of excellent students from Navy and FME.

What will come to pass at South Lakes? What if there is no improvement in scores or class selection?

_First of all I bet it wasnt only the black and hispanic kids only some white kids could of been involed

2nd So what theres gangs EVERYWHERE!

3rd You neice could of done something to provoke them ( You dont know you werent there)
4th The gangs pretty much stay to themselves they dont pick one if you dont do anything.
___________________________________________________________


BOTTOM LINE Wrote


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> It is a shame that the county will try to HIDE or
> MASK the poor performance of the students who
> currently attend SLHS by shipping other students
> to the school.
>
> The bottom line is, those same students will
> continue to suffer underperformance until the
> feeder elementary and middle schools who feed SLHS
> get straightened out.
>
> My niece attended Langston Middle. As a shy and
> quiet kid, was constantly harrassed by the black
> and hispanic students in the school. So much so
> that her parents picked up and moved to Loudoun
> County. There were numerous meetings with the
> teachers and administration, but they could not
> control the other students. There ARE gangs in
> these schools who bully and harass other kids
> whether you believe it or not. It starts BEFORE
> they even get to SLHS.

I watched for four hours the "charade" of voting for the "right of SL" to have more students, because.....LET'S FACE IT--they really need warm bodies to raise their scores. It was very sad to watch Stu's "comments" to the audience about the "elephant" in the room. It all came down to "racist" by the affected parents. Is that the best he could do? The way I see it is that the problems that afflict SL won't go away ever....you know why? Because of the fact that there is "minimal" parental involvement" and the kids that really need the help will fall through the cracks.

The "right" minorities will reluctantly come this Fall to raise the scores and prove the "racists" wrong: that SL is really a great school. The reality is that scores will improve because of the newcomers. I heard a comment from a parent from Loudoun yesterday about a former SL teacher who was repeatedly told by a SL parent that it was his job to make sure that her child pass the grade, and that she was NOT going to sit down and help with his homework---that's the teacher's job--no wonder this teacher got tired and left for better pastures. Unfortunately, that's the reality of a lot of SL kids--no parental involvement.

Kudos to the SL teachers....at least they will have students that will pay attention and again....help "raise the scores for the betterment of SL".... I can only hope that the "good and involved SL parents" receive them well, and stop their garbage talks...What are you going to do for the newcomers? They sacrifice for your children! Get busy and bring the AP back--that's the least you can do for them...give them something to look forward to.

Fiona Wrote:
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> _First of all I bet it wasnt only the black and
> hispanic kids only some white kids could of been
> involed
>
> 2nd So what theres gangs EVERYWHERE!
>
> 3rd You neice could of done something to provoke
> them ( You dont know you werent there)
> 4th The gangs pretty much stay to themselves they
> dont pick one if you dont do anything.
>

Brilliant sales pitch for Hughes - BRAVO!!!

When in doubt stand up for the gangs

Sounds like a good argument for closing the place down.

Why are more kids being forced to put up with this cr*p?

Why the h*ll did the SB think it was okay to force kids from Madison North into a failing gang-ridden middle school?

The Brazilian police have the right idea with street gangs. Perhaps a visit from ICE is in order

I don't think enough will come to SLHS. Parents were expecting to be offered something in the way of assurances as to the educational quality in the future. That is, something substantive that they could think about and be assured that SLHS was taking the responsibility of educating the RD students seriously.

The "five-year contract" for IB was enough evidence of that.

Wonder what HooTribe will think about her house choice once her oldest attends Hughes. Methinks she didn't think too far past Hunters Woods. And methinks she will be moving to a house outside SLHS in the future, giving some cheesy excuse like "Oh the house was too small, too old, too whatever".

No thanks to your predetermination of Navy going to Oakton. There are just as many pupil placements being submitted by us to stay at our school. We have no desire to attend your very fine school. We like ours just fine.

navy parent Wrote:
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> Plus, this lemon is doomed to fail. It just is.
> They have screwed the pooch from start to middle.
>
>
>
> Most of the Navy students and certainly most of
> the "oldest sibling" families will go to Oakton
> and be perfectly fine and happy.
>
> Many of the FME families will pupil-place back to
> Oakton. I don't know of ONE family that hasn't
> started pupil-placement, private school
> application, or started the relocation process
> back into cougar territory. They are just
> determined not to go to SL. So Oakton will be
> back at it's old numbers with a slug of excellent
> students from Navy and FME.
>
> What will come to pass at South Lakes? What if
> there is no improvement in scores or class
> selection?

If you'd like more information on how to recall Stu Gibson, turn in additional signed petitions to the many, many signatures we have already collected and the like,

please email RecallStuGibson@gmail.com.

Caveat: you MUST live in the Hunter Mill District to sign the petition. You are more than welcome to volunteer to collect signatures if you are not in the Hunter Mill District, but the signatures you collect must be residents of the Hunter Mill District.

Thank you.




how Wrote:
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> How do you do that? Just direct me and I will
> pass it on to the very angry parents of the navy
> community. Can we add to get rid of Kathy smith
> too?
>
> Thomas More Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > sb_stu_gibson_ruling Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Ok just kidding. LOL - But really - the SB
> has
> > 10 solid votes 10 to 2 and the
> > > elections are in 2011 - so there is nothing
> we
> > can do till then.
> >
> > You could sign the recall petition and
> contribute
> > to the legal fund to prosecute it.

No Thanks you could be correct. I haven't personally heard of anyone submitting pupil-placement forms to Oakton's principal or moving back into Chantilly's boundary. But that doesn't mean they won't happen.

I hope the Navy folks know about the April 15th deadline for curriculum-based placement.

Berdhuis Wrote:
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> Anyone out there know approximately what the
> capacity will be for Coppermine ES? Thanks in
> advance.


36 rooms. About 900 to 1000 students.

SBS Wrote:
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> Anti-Hone Wrote:
> >
> > OK - so not only is opposing RD based on the
> same
> > principle as opposing torture, but the SB, the
> > FCPS staff, and untold members of the public
> were
> > engaged in a vast 3 year conspiracy? Was Navy
> > part of this alleged 3 year conspiracy? Was
> > Madison island part of this alleged 3 year
> > conspiracy? Are you saying that if the staff's
> > option 1, or option 2, or option 3, or option 4
> > had been supported in the town-hall breakout
> > sessions that the FCPS staff and SB would have
> > ignored that and pulled out a cooked-up option
> 5
> > regardless? There clearly was no conspiracy;
> no
> > due process violation. The staff's logical
> > progression from option 1 to option 5 was
> obvious
> > for all who was involved - the anti-RD folks
> > wanted nothing done, but that was not an option
> > (rightly so), and thus the FCPS staff landed on
> a
> > new option that basically met the RD goals but
> > also reflected the anti-RD folks's "do nothing"
> > message as well (by impacting the fewest
> > students).
>
> Most ridiculous post of the evening. Particularly
> the "impacting the fewest students" part. Outside
> of SL, the school MOST affected by this RD is
> Oakton, by a considerable margin, a school that
> had absolutely NO issues whatsoever. Other
> options in the original group of options did a
> better job of relieving the "overcrowding" of
> Westfields and Chantilly (which really doesn't
> exist anyway. Just ask the facilities director).
> Since SL, Chantilly, and Westfields were
> supposedly the targets of this RD, a scenario that
> keeps as much of the change limited to those
> schools as possible would have been a more logical
> choice.

Oakton's is 3 miles away from Madison and its boundary is absurdly gerrymandered. It should expect its boundaries to shift from time to time. In any event, trading Fox Mill kids for Navy kids won't have any perceptible affect on Oakton.

Lemons or Lemonade! Wrote:
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> I would just like to add that I went to all the
> meetings, watched the public hearings on Apple 21
> and I am very proud of the Navy community. No one
> from Navy threw any other neighborhood under the
> bus, nor did that say anything about South Lakes.
> Yes, we lost a very close vote, thanks to Kathy
> and Stu and yes we were extremely disappointed
> with the outcome.
>
> Our issue was and is the close proximity of our
> neighborhoods to Chantilly.

It is strange that the vote was so close and your very own representative could have voted for her constituents but elected not to. If 6 other SB members could vote for Navy, one would have thought she would have been able to support her own school and voters.

If Kathy thought someone needed to leave Chantilly, why not HER neighborhood?

navy parent Wrote:
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> I don't think enough will come to SLHS. Parents
> were expecting to be offered something in the way
> of assurances as to the educational quality in the
> future. That is, something substantive that they
> could think about and be assured that SLHS was
> taking the responsibility of educating the RD
> students seriously.
>
> The "five-year contract" for IB was enough
> evidence of that.

Agreed. The committment to IB was the nail in the coffin for South Lakes. What a shame. All of this upset, thousands of people, for naught. South Lakes won't get enough students to make any difference, although I readily admit that I am not sure what differences they were hoping for. Perhaps their football team will be more competitive and they will finally have enough kids for that all important Drama 4 class.

Im Not pro-gang there are not that many gang members in LHMS
but i was just saying that person quote made it sound like
their olny black and hipanic people in gangs.
Im not standing up for gangs theyre BAD.And believe it or not gangs are EVERYWHERE
even it the non failing schools just ask them,







pro-gang? Wrote:
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> Fiona Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > _First of all I bet it wasnt only the black
> and
> > hispanic kids only some white kids could of
> been
> > involed
> >
> > 2nd So what theres gangs EVERYWHERE!
> >
> > 3rd You neice could of done something to provoke
>
> > them ( You dont know you werent there)
> > 4th The gangs pretty much stay to themselves
> they
> > dont pick one if you dont do anything.
> >
>
> Brilliant sales pitch for Hughes - BRAVO!!!
>
> When in doubt stand up for the gangs
>
> Sounds like a good argument for closing the place
> down.
>
> Why are more kids being forced to put up with this
> cr*p?
>
> Why the h*ll did the SB think it was okay to force
> kids from Madison North into a failing gang-ridden
> middle school?
>
> The Brazilian police have the right idea with
> street gangs. Perhaps a visit from ICE is in order

who dragged who Wrote:
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> HooTribe Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > fm/c/o parent Wrote:
> > A very convincing
> > argument could have been made that families
> want
> > to remain at their existing schools without the
> > insults or dragging SL through the mud.
>
> They arguments were made, and frankly, it didn't
> make a bit of difference.
>
> This was always about SL - none of the other
> criteria ever made any sense and the public knew
> that from the word 'go' and said so
>
> Once you home in on the issue of SL, everything
> else follows from there - you pull down the stats,
> you ask why is it so under-enrolled, why the
> performance gaps
>
> And no-one ever came up with a convincing argument
> - just 'alice can't do jewelry making' or 'no-one
> turns up to our games' - no-one ever made a
> convincing argument that academic opportunities
> were missing - nothing that could convince anyone
> that the exercise was anything other than covering
> up legitimate issues with larger numbers
>
> Who made it the SL community's job to start
> pointing and saying "we'll have them, and them,
> not them, yup them"? SL dragged itself through the
> mud.
>
> They should have stuck at trying to persuade the
> wider community that they had a problem - but they
> didn't, they advocated for a very specific
> solution - and when people started to drill into
> what the problem was, then they started to cry
> racism and elitism
>
> So you're suggesting that the public shouldn't
> have spoken up about the issues at SL?
>
> The one person on the SB who said what everyone
> else knew was the student rep. The SB handed out a
> lemon.

Great post. Yes, it was always only about South Lakes. It had NOTHING to do with overcrowding at the other schools. South Lakes needed bodies because of what has happened to the school over the last 10 years. Nothing was done to fix the educational problems at the feeder schools or the problems at Hughes and South Lakes. IB did not attract out of boundary students as they had hoped. Nothing was done about the failing schools in the district, Dogwood and Terraset. None of the real problems have been addressed, much less corrected, and rather than do that, Stu prefers to paper over the problems with more students from out of boundary.

When this boundary change does not work, when not enough students show up, Stu will be back asking for another boundary change within a few years. He won't get it. They gave him one bite on the apple, he screwed it up from the beginning when he set the limited parameters and with silly justifications like a need for more jewelry making and guitar classes.
He won't get a redo. Thank God.

Berdhuis Wrote:
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> I have observed since page 73 that silly trolls
> pop up from time to time - that will not end. Some
> are obvious, others more subtle, nonetheless let
> us just agree not to feed them.


I hate to break it to you, but the trolls on this thread are less 'silly' than most of the regulars.

Finona Wrote:
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> Im Not pro-gang there are not that many gang
> members in LHMS
> but i was just saying that person quote made it
> sound like
> their olny black and hipanic people in gangs.
> Im not standing up for gangs theyre BAD.And
> believe it or not gangs are EVERYWHERE
> even it the non failing schools just ask them,

THAT's your argument? That LHMS and SL have gangs but so does every other school? Madison may have gangs, although I've never heard of them or seen any evidence of them, I'll have to take your word for it. But it's a matter of numbers. If Madison has 10 gang members they aren't going to be able to intimidate other students. If LHMS and SLs has a hundred or more gang bangers, that's a whole 'nother thing and could be very intimidating.

(Are you sure that Madison, Langley, Oakton, and McLean have gangs? Madison has very few minorities, are the gangs at Madison white gangs?)

>>>It is a shame, though, because a mere allocation of students or any form of rent seeking grab will not improve the lot of the students that need help most.<<<

YES! That is one of the biggest problems with this. It does nothing to help those students who need the most help, but allows the SB to paper over their problems with more upper income students. They hope that it will make South Lakes look better, without doing a thing for those kids who shall remain on the bottom because of lack of any focus on them and their educational needs, beginning with their elementary school programs.

There was a recall petition circulating which we all supported. Never heard what happened to it. I will contribute to the fairfaxcaps fund

Thomas More Wrote:
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> sb_stu_gibson_ruling Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ok just kidding. LOL - But really - the SB has
> 10 solid votes 10 to 2 and the
> > elections are in 2011 - so there is nothing we
> can do till then.
>
> You could sign the recall petition and contribute
> to the legal fund to prosecute it.

Neen Wrote:
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> Lemons or Lemonade! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > I would just like to add that I went to all the
> > meetings, watched the public hearings on Apple
> 21
> > and I am very proud of the Navy community. No
> one
> > from Navy threw any other neighborhood under
> the
> > bus, nor did that say anything about South
> Lakes.
> > Yes, we lost a very close vote, thanks to Kathy
> > and Stu and yes we were extremely disappointed
> > with the outcome.
> >
> > Our issue was and is the close proximity of our
> > neighborhoods to Chantilly.
>
> It is strange that the vote was so close and your
> very own representative could have voted for her
> constituents but elected not to. If 6 other SB
> members could vote for Navy, one would have
> thought she would have been able to support her
> own school and voters.
>
> If Kathy thought someone needed to leave
> Chantilly, why not HER neighborhood?

I have to believe that Kathy thought her credibility was threatened if she didn't move someone out of Chantilly. The school board did not like her new option so she cut off her nose to spite her face. The Navy community will not soon forget her treachery. She should never have aligned herself with Stu and let Chantilly and Westfield be the "reason". Other than Oak Hill, no other areas were looked at or even considered that I know of.

While I believe South Lakes needed help - how many years does it take Stu? 12+ years is a long time to fix a problem.

We need more new school board members to vote with the courage of their convictions and not vote to save face. Unfortunately, 4 years is a long time to wait.

Neen Wrote:
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> Did you all see this little correction to the
> Post's article?
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
> le/2008/03/01/AR2008030101618.html
> It seems Stu didn't really mean to say that race
> was the 800 pound gorilla in the room, he meant to
> say socio economics. Hahahaha.......we all know
> what he said and what he meant. As Tina Hone
> said, only Stu and SL supporters talk about race.


You mean Tina ("Did I tell you who I am" in the first sentence of every freakin' posturing statement I make") Hone does not talk about race?

Riiiiiigggggggggggttttttt!

Good luck with her as your parade leader. She makes Sen. Shumer look camera shy. (Go to the video tape and watch her clever sidelong glances to her new, favorite constituents after her latest bellow).

navychsfamily Wrote:
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> Curver Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Navy folks,
> >
> >I understand the frustration of RD from your
> > nearby high school but if you choose to go to
> > Oakton you will be very happy and the commute
> is
> > only a small hassle.
>
>
> Don't tell me I will be "very happy" when you do
> not know my family situation and whether I will
> have children split between 2 schools.

So much for the pleasantry! You don't hold doors open for people do you?
You probably wouldn't fit in at Oakton anyway.

Lemons or Lemonade! Wrote:
-
> We need more new school board members to vote with
> the courage of their convictions and not vote to
> save face. Unfortunately, 4 years is a long time
> to wait.


Oh God no! Did you hear some of their convictions? We want SB members that support the needs and clearly expressed views of their constituents, not take off like crazed loons. A bit of analysis skill would be good too - hint it wasn't a facilities problem - you gave it to Tisdalt and even he said that it wasn't a facilities problem!!!

I don't think Janie voted for the final motion to save face - its her convictions that scare me "protect Langley at all costs - tough luck for Madison North". The Madison North amendment backed her into a corner and I've never seen anyone look so uncomfortable,

See post above. You should email recallstugibson@gmail.com

Bottom line -- you don't have a chance in hell of getting the redistricting overturned in court. The standard is too high and regretfully, you don't meet it.

You have a VERY good likelihood of shaking up the School Board by recalling Stu Gibson. The Dept of Education already ruled that he violated federal and state education laws, so a circuit court in Fairfax County may not reopen this matter. Moreover, he already admitted his guilt.

The attorney will make a motion that the School Board and FCPS may not pay to defend Gibson since he did an ultra vires act, meaning, outside the scope of his authorities. If he'd like to deplete his entire retirement fund by defending himself personally in court instead of with taxpayer dollars, he is free to do so. Let's see how deep his pockets are.

This IS moving forward. And this is the most powerful statement you can make at this time. Corruption runs deep at FCPS, and it starts at the top.


sb_stu_gibson_ruling Wrote:
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> There was a recall petition circulating which we
> all supported. Never heard what happened to it. I
> will contribute to the fairfaxcaps fund
>
> Thomas More Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > sb_stu_gibson_ruling Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Ok just kidding. LOL - But really - the SB
> has
> > 10 solid votes 10 to 2 and the
> > > elections are in 2011 - so there is nothing
> we
> > can do till then.
> >
> > You could sign the recall petition and
> contribute
> > to the legal fund to prosecute it.

The only people who are touchy about racism are probably the racists. If you are not racist, then no comments would offend you. Think about it.

The board did not vote to keep IB at SL for 5 years. That is a stupid rumor started by Thomas More and repeated by idiots on this board who didn't bother to watch or read the ruling for themselves.

That has been the problem all along. People repeat rumor and innuendo without doing due diligence.

What a bunch of maroons.

I think calling people "maroons" is offensive. Read the following definition from an online dictionary:

1. Maroon
a. A fugitive Black slave in the West Indies in the 17th and 18th centuries.
b. A descendant of such a slave.


Could you find a less ironic way to call people names? Thanks

please, no convictions Wrote:
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> Lemons or Lemonade! Wrote:
> -
> > We need more new school board members to vote
> with
> > the courage of their convictions and not vote
> to
> > save face. Unfortunately, 4 years is a long
> time
> > to wait.
>
>
> Oh God no! Did you hear some of their convictions?
> We want SB members that support the needs and
> clearly expressed views of their constituents, not
> take off like crazed loons. A bit of analysis
> skill would be good too - hint it wasn't a
> facilities problem - you gave it to Tisdalt and
> even he said that it wasn't a facilities
> problem!!!
>
> I don't think Janie voted for the final motion to
> save face - its her convictions that scare me
> "protect Langley at all costs - tough luck for
> Madison North". The Madison North amendment backed
> her into a corner and I've never seen anyone look
> so uncomfortable,


Kathy and Janie could have abstained from the vote!

Racism Wrote:
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> The board did not vote to keep IB at SL for 5 years. That is a stupid rumor
> started by Thomas More and repeated by idiots on this board who didn't bother to
> watch or read the ruling for themselves.

The resolution and my analysis of it are both on this thread several pages back.

It's much more likely that people read the resolution, read that analysis and agreed with it.

No one has shown how that analysis is wrong.

If you disagree with it, state how, with specificity.

Otherwise, stick the ad hominem attacks where the sun don't shine.

You should know that at least on SB member has recognized the problems with the wording of the resolution and is looking into fixing it.

No real affect on Oakton Wrote:
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>
> Oakton's is 3 miles away from Madison and its
> boundary is absurdly gerrymandered. It should
> expect its boundaries to shift from time to time.
> In any event, trading Fox Mill kids for Navy kids
> won't have any perceptible affect on Oakton.

You misunderstood my point. NONE of the schools themselves (probably not even SL unfortunately) will be significently impacted. By the way, the amount of students (before pupil-placing) forced from Oakton to SL (i.e. Fox Mill) is measurably larger than the number forced from Chantilly to Oakton (i.e. part of Navy). The post I was responding to stated that the selected RD option affected the lowest number of students - completely inaccurate since an entire ES was moved from a school that supposedly wasn't a target of the RD.

Neen Wrote:
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> Finona Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Im Not pro-gang there are not that many gang
> > members in LHMS
> > but i was just saying that person quote made it
> > sound like
> > their olny black and hipanic people in gangs.
> > Im not standing up for gangs theyre BAD.And
> > believe it or not gangs are EVERYWHERE
> > even it the non failing schools just ask them,
>
> THAT's your argument? That LHMS and SL have gangs
> but so does every other school? Madison may have
> gangs, although I've never heard of them or seen
> any evidence of them, I'll have to take your word
> for it. But it's a matter of numbers. If Madison
> has 10 gang members they aren't going to be able
> to intimidate other students. If LHMS and SLs has
> a hundred or more gang bangers, that's a whole
> 'nother thing and could be very intimidating.
>
> (Are you sure that Madison, Langley, Oakton, and
> McLean have gangs? Madison has very few
> minorities, are the gangs at Madison white gangs?)

Step 1: I won't feed this TROLL
Step 2: See step 1
Step 3: See step 1 and 2
Step 4: Repeat steps, 1, 2 and 3

Racism, I watched the ruling, I have it on DVR and heard it again just now. It is absolutely clear on supporting only IB programs for 5 years. Only mention about AP is to encourage IB students to take AP exam for credit. That we know for a fact does not help as after 2 years of IB for a course you can get 1 year of AP credit.
So get your fact rights.

Racism Wrote:
> The board did not vote to keep IB at SL for 5
> years. That is a stupid rumor started by Thomas
> More and repeated by idiots on this board who
> didn't bother to watch or read the ruling for
> themselves.
>
> That has been the problem all along. People
> repeat rumor and innuendo without doing due
> diligence.
>
> What a bunch of maroons.

Its OVER you douchebags. Find something else to bicker about and get the fuck out of my forum.

No thanks Wrote:
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> No thanks to your predetermination of Navy going
> to Oakton. There are just as many pupil
> placements being submitted by us to stay at our
> school. We have no desire to attend your very
> fine school. We like ours just fine.
>
> navy parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Plus, this lemon is doomed to fail. It just is.
>
> > They have screwed the pooch from start to
> middle.
> >
> >
> >
> > Most of the Navy students and certainly most of
> > the "oldest sibling" families will go to Oakton
> > and be perfectly fine and happy.
> >
> > Many of the FME families will pupil-place back
> to
> > Oakton. I don't know of ONE family that hasn't
> > started pupil-placement, private school
> > application, or started the relocation process
> > back into cougar territory. They are just
> > determined not to go to SL. So Oakton will be
> > back at it's old numbers with a slug of
> excellent
> > students from Navy and FME.
> >
> > What will come to pass at South Lakes? What if
> > there is no improvement in scores or class
> > selection?

I'm curious. What is your (Navy's) rationale for Pupil Placing back to Chantilly from Oakton? Both are AP schools.

And for you Madison Islanders that might be thinking about trying to pupil place your elementary and middle schoolers back into Wolftrap and Thoreau/Kilmer, it might work for Wolftrap if you have daycare situations requiring attendance at Wolftrap, but for middle school, you will need to get a psychiatrist to prepare a report stating that it will traumatize your child if he/she were required to attend Langston Hughes. The AP/IB pupil placement criteria do not kick in until High School.

Other than having no desire to attend Oakton, I have a current student at CHS as well as other circumstances. And for real, are you completely ignorant of the fact that the students from Chantilly have NO desire to attend your stuck up school? Seriously, that whole cougar thing is disturbing to say the least. Some parents are going to whatever extremes to pupil place at Chantilly. Some have bought into your egocentric, spoiled environment and can't wait to attend your ugly building and drug problem student population. Their loss.


> I'm curious. What is your (Navy's) rationale for
> Pupil Placing back to Chantilly from Oakton? Both
> are AP schools.

And the Hits Just Keep on Comin' Wrote:
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> And for you Madison Islanders that might be
> thinking about trying to pupil place your
> elementary and middle schoolers back into Wolftrap
> and Thoreau/Kilmer, it might work for Wolftrap if
> you have daycare situations requiring attendance
> at Wolftrap, but for middle school, you will need
> to get a psychiatrist to prepare a report stating
> that it will traumatize your child if he/she were
> required to attend Langston Hughes. The AP/IB
> pupil placement criteria do not kick in until High
> School.

For those who are Catholic, St. Marks or OLGC might be a good alternative since they are K-8. Even if not Catholic, those schools might be worth considering.

To FCPS, “town meeting” means a carefully choreographed charade designed to isolate parents and squash real debate – and then pretend that the public buys into what FCPS has already decided to do.
...
Now that they know there were being played for suckers by members of their own School Board, the public should really be outraged. The scary thing is, these are the same people in charge of teaching children how to be good citizens.
...

for full article
http://www.examiner.com/blogs/Sharp_Sticks/2008/2/19/UPDATE-When-FCPS-holds-a-town-meeting-it-really-isnt

Heel Marks on our back. Wrote:
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> Neen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Did you all see this little correction to the
> > Post's article?
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
>
> > le/2008/03/01/AR2008030101618.html
> > It seems Stu didn't really mean to say that
> race
> > was the 800 pound gorilla in the room, he meant
> to
> > say socio economics. Hahahaha.......we all
> know
> > what he said and what he meant. As Tina Hone
> > said, only Stu and SL supporters talk about
> race.
>
>
> You mean Tina ("Did I tell you who I am" in the
> first sentence of every freakin' posturing
> statement I make") Hone does not talk about race?
>
> Riiiiiigggggggggggttttttt!
>
> Good luck with her as your parade leader. She
> makes Sen. Shumer look camera shy. (Go to the
> video tape and watch her clever sidelong glances
> to her new, favorite constituents after her latest
> bellow).

Who said anything about Tina Hone being my parade leader? Who said that she doesn't talk about race? Surely not her. She has NEVER claimed that race was not her issue, because it is. I have no use for her since she is ALL about race. But she was correct when she said that only Stu, and South Lakes supporters, talked about race throughout this redistricting.

I do wonder how you folks in Reston will feel when Tina Hone proposes redistricting the elementary schools in Reston so the districts are not so gerrymandered, so that Hunters Woods and Sunrise Valley don't remain the white schools and Terraset and Dogwood the minority schools with all those convoluted boundaries. Sensible school districts, perhaps even sippy cup boundaries, will eliminate the segregation in Reston elmentary schools. Don't you all agree that poor students do better in schools where they are in a smaller minority? Redistricting Reston elementary schools should be very important to you. Surely you will LOVE Tina Hone when she starts drawing sippy cup maps around your elementary schools. I am sure that she will welcome your overwhelming support of that redistricting. It's exactly what she hopes to do across the county. Where better to start than Reston, where she can expect tremendous support?!

All the more reason for MI people to join hands with Fox Mill , Floris and Navy in the lawsuit effort of FairfaxCAPs. All these 4 groups should be united behind one legal fund. That is the last hope to save our communities. Stu and his nine puppets have these communities nicely cooked for their meal, and are going to devour us, if we dont unite and fight back.

Neen Wrote:
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> And the Hits Just Keep on Comin' Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And for you Madison Islanders that might be
> > thinking about trying to pupil place your
> > elementary and middle schoolers back into
> Wolftrap
> > and Thoreau/Kilmer, it might work for Wolftrap
> if
> > you have daycare situations requiring
> attendance
> > at Wolftrap, but for middle school, you will
> need
> > to get a psychiatrist to prepare a report
> stating
> > that it will traumatize your child if he/she
> were
> > required to attend Langston Hughes. The AP/IB
> > pupil placement criteria do not kick in until
> High
> > School.
>
> For those who are Catholic, St. Marks or OLGC
> might be a good alternative since they are K-8.
> Even if not Catholic, those schools might be worth
> considering.

Donate to the legal effort to fight the unjust RD - it is the only option left now.

http://www.fairfaxcaps.org/html/donation_pledge.html

www.fairfaxcaps.org/html/donation_pledge.html

Support fairfaxCAPS

uhm - those of you from westfield (floris) and chantilly (navy) that think you're going to pupil place back to those schools are fooling yourselves - they will tell you there is no room - try centreville, herndon or fairfax

however - those of you from foxmill looking to stay at oakton are in luck, there is some room and with all of the navy people trying to get out they'll be even more

note_to_MI Wrote:
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> All the more reason for MI people to join hands
> with Fox Mill , Floris and Navy in the lawsuit
> effort of FairfaxCAPs. All these 4 groups should
> be united behind one legal fund. That is the last
> hope to save our communities. Stu and his nine
> puppets have these communities nicely cooked for
> their meal, and are going to devour us, if we dont
> unite and fight back.

Sign the recall petition and donate to fund that court case.

While I supported RD of Aldrin and Armstrong, I oppose the approved RD and the multiple duplicities surrounding its adoption.

I say that to beg you not to waste your money on a straight ahead challenge of this redistricting. It has no chance. Courts in Va give great deference to decision by local government bodies.

You'd have to show the RD was arbitrary and capricious and the SB must be unable to show any justification for their decision and if the SB can make the issue "fairly debatable", YOU LOSE.

That crossbar is extremely high and very rarely overcome.

Thomas, not sure what you are saying. What recall petition are you talking about? The old one or is there a new one now?
Also you say to donate to fund the court case, but also say that it is useless?


Thomas More Wrote:
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> note_to_MI Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > All the more reason for MI people to join hands
> > with Fox Mill , Floris and Navy in the lawsuit
> > effort of FairfaxCAPs. All these 4 groups
> should
> > be united behind one legal fund. That is the
> last
> > hope to save our communities. Stu and his nine
> > puppets have these communities nicely cooked
> for
> > their meal, and are going to devour us, if we
> dont
> > unite and fight back.
>
> Sign the recall petition and donate to fund that
> court case.
>
> While I supported RD of Aldrin and Armstrong, I
> oppose the approved RD and the multiple
> duplicities surrounding its adoption.
>
> I say that to beg you not to waste your money on a
> straight ahead challenge of this redistricting. It
> has no chance. Courts in Va give great deference
> to decision by local government bodies.
>
> You'd have to show the RD was arbitrary and
> capricious and the SB must be unable to show any
> justification for their decision and if the SB can
> make the issue "fairly debatable", YOU LOSE.
>
> That crossbar is extremely high and very rarely
> overcome.

No thanks Wrote:
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> Other than having no desire to attend Oakton, I
> have a current student at CHS as well as other
> circumstances. And for real, are you completely
> ignorant of the fact that the students from
> Chantilly have NO desire to attend your stuck up
> school? Seriously, that whole cougar thing is
> disturbing to say the least. Some parents are
> going to whatever extremes to pupil place at
> Chantilly. Some have bought into your egocentric,
> spoiled environment and can't wait to attend your
> ugly building and drug problem student population.
> Their loss.
>
>
> > I'm curious. What is your (Navy's) rationale
> for
> > Pupil Placing back to Chantilly from Oakton?
> Both
> > are AP schools.


I don't know what all the anger is about? Totally misdirected--and pretty ugly too! I wasn't suggesting you should love the RD. My neighborhood has been pulled into this lousy SB move, too. I understand not wanting to be moved from your home school. I am very sympathetic to the very bad deal Navy has been given. But, I have read the PP form closely. Having no desire to go to the school will not be considered an acceptable rationale. .Both Chantilly and Oakton are AP schools, so there are no curriculum issues to create a basis for moving. Having one child already at the school is also not a basis for PP, but perhaps your other circumstances meet the requirements. I wish you success in your endeavor.

note_to_MI Wrote:
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> Thomas, not sure what you are saying. What recall petition are you talking about? > The old one or is there a new one now? Also you say to donate to fund the court
> case, but also say that it is useless?

The same recall of Stuy that has been circulating. Go to recallstugibson@gmail.com

The filing of this recall petition will result in a trial before a judge. The recall trial will cost lots of money.

That trial will not be useless.

A direct challenge to the RD is a total waste of time and money.

Remind the SB that they should send kids from overcrowded South County to undercapacity Lake Braddock. They both are AP schools and they both are grades 7-12. There is no need for a SC Middle School at this time of declining fiscal resources.

Thomas More Wrote:
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> note_to_MI Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Thomas, not sure what you are saying. What
> recall petition are you talking about? > The old
> one or is there a new one now? Also you say to
> donate to fund the court
> > case, but also say that it is useless?
>
> The same recall of Stuy that has been circulating.
> Go to recallstugibson@gmail.com
>
> The filing of this recall petition will result in
> a trial before a judge. The recall trial will cost
> lots of money.
>
> That trial will not be useless.
>
> A direct challenge to the RD is a total waste of
> time and money.


Which explained why Storck mentioned in a recent article that they (fcps) will be successful. However with the nature of how the process was carried out with this RD, it should be interesting to see what the judge has to say. Especially when the sb admitted the process was flawed and appeared indifferent about it.

Interesting? Wrote:
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> No thanks Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Other than having no desire to attend Oakton, I
> > have a current student at CHS as well as other
> > circumstances. And for real, are you
> completely
> > ignorant of the fact that the students from
> > Chantilly have NO desire to attend your stuck
> up
> > school? Seriously, that whole cougar thing is
> > disturbing to say the least. Some parents are
> > going to whatever extremes to pupil place at
> > Chantilly. Some have bought into your
> egocentric,
> > spoiled environment and can't wait to attend
> your
> > ugly building and drug problem student
> population.
> > Their loss.
> >
> >
> > > I'm curious. What is your (Navy's) rationale
> > for
> > > Pupil Placing back to Chantilly from Oakton?
> > Both
> > > are AP schools.
>
>
> I don't know what all the anger is about? Totally
> misdirected--and pretty ugly too! I wasn't
> suggesting you should love the RD. My
> neighborhood has been pulled into this lousy SB
> move, too. I understand not wanting to be moved
> from your home school. I am very sympathetic to
> the very bad deal Navy has been given. But, I have
> read the PP form closely. Having no desire to go
> to the school will not be considered an acceptable
> rationale. .Both Chantilly and Oakton are AP
> schools, so there are no curriculum issues to
> create a basis for moving. Having one child
> already at the school is also not a basis for PP,
> but perhaps your other circumstances meet the
> requirements. I wish you success in your
> endeavor.


I also tried to offer somewhat of a welcome to Oakton and stated that my childs drive, while even further than Navy was not that bad. There are shortcut etc.
I was rudely addressed also. I know the drinking water in the Navy area is the same water between Navy (CH) and Navy (Oak). The classy Navy families that are already in the Oakton school district are very happy with their school.

While I understand the unhappy Navy people that are impacted with RD, I only assume the rude ones are very few and some happen to hang out on this forum. Their outlet is to insult people that try to converse with them and refuse to fight the depressed state they find themselves in.

After reading page after page, it appears that no one on this thread is very happy. The people who have to switch schools are not happy. They all seem to love the schools they are in now and are sad at giving that up. The people who do not have to move are not happy because now they have to defend their schools from the people who don't want to go. Now, everyone is name calling and saying that they are welcoming no matter what school they are in and that the newcomers won't give anyone a chance. The vote came down less than one week ago. Let's just give everyone some time and stop all the who's better than who. There's always something better out there. Name calling is not really the "classy" thing to do and does not send a welcoming message.

Baffled Wrote:
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> Thomas More Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > note_to_MI Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Thomas, not sure what you are saying. What
> > recall petition are you talking about? > The
> old
> > one or is there a new one now? Also you say to
> > donate to fund the court
> > > case, but also say that it is useless?
> >
> > The same recall of Stuy that has been
> circulating.
> > Go to recallstugibson@gmail.com
> >
> > The filing of this recall petition will result
> in
> > a trial before a judge. The recall trial will
> cost
> > lots of money.
> >
> > That trial will not be useless.
> >
> > A direct challenge to the RD is a total waste
> of
> > time and money.
>
>
> Which explained why Storck mentioned in a recent
> article that they (fcps) will be successful.
> However with the nature of how the process was
> carried out with this RD, it should be interesting
> to see what the judge has to say. Especially when
> the sb admitted the process was flawed and
> appeared indifferent about it.


Would you expect Storck to say that he thought a legal challenge would be successful? What is he supposed to say if questioned about that? While the SB has a set a strong legal eagles in their corner (paid for by the taxpayers in FC), Storck is a business man and not an attorney. At the same time, I would imagine that every member of the SB would say that each of us has a right to our day in court.

HUH? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Baffled Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Thomas More Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > > note_to_MI Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > > > Thomas, not sure what you are saying. What
> > > recall petition are you talking about? > The
> > old
> > > one or is there a new one now? Also you say
> to
> > > donate to fund the court
> > > > case, but also say that it is useless?
> > >
> > > The same recall of Stuy that has been
> > circulating.
> > > Go to recallstugibson@gmail.com
> > >
> > > The filing of this recall petition will
> result
> > in
> > > a trial before a judge. The recall trial will
> > cost
> > > lots of money.
> > >
> > > That trial will not be useless.
> > >
> > > A direct challenge to the RD is a total waste
> > of
> > > time and money.
> >
> > Which explained why Storck mentioned in a
> recent
> > article that they (fcps) will be successful.
> > However with the nature of how the process was
> > carried out with this RD, it should be
> interesting
> > to see what the judge has to say. Especially
> when
> > the sb admitted the process was flawed and
> > appeared indifferent about it.

There is no State law requiring SB to follow any process. SB could have skipped any public input and just voted RD.

> Would you expect Storck to say that he thought a
> legal challenge would be successful? What is he
> supposed to say if questioned about that? While
> the SB has a set a strong legal eagles in their
> corner (paid for by the taxpayers in FC), Storck
> is a business man and not an attorney. At the
> same time, I would imagine that every member of
> the SB would say that each of us has a right to
> our day in court.

So you have $200,000 to spend on this losing effort?

IF A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER BREAKS THE LAW, THEN ZERO TOLERANCE APPLIES TO THEM ALSO.

Stu Gibson need to resign. He has broken the law.

FCPS Board Member Attacks Disabled Kid
Apparently, when Fairfax County Public Schools isn’t trying to figure out new ways to indoctrinate children in political correctness, it works pretty hard to show what a class act members of the school board are. To wit, courtesy of the DC Examiner:

Despite a sworn declaration from [School Board member Stuart] Gibson himself that no illegal disclosure had occurred, the state found him - and FCPS - in noncompliance with laws protecting the privacy rights of children with disabilities. No matter what parents themselves do, the Nov. 27 Letter of Findings concluded, school officials are not allowed to make a child’s educational record public without explicit parental consent.

But that’s not the end of the story. Christine Arakelian, the mother of the third grader in question, was running against Gibson for his Hunter Mill seat when he released confidential details about her son in a July 1 letter to the local PTA and again during a Sept. 19 newspaper interview. Incensed, she called Supt. Jack Dale’s office to complain: “Just because I’m running for office doesn’t mean my son is fair game,” she angrily told school officials. After receiving “absolutely no response” from Dale’s office, Arakelian says, she filed formal complaints with state and federal authorities and still plans to pursue legal action against Gibson.

And liberals are the ones that supposedly have the market cornered on compassion

WHAT A GUY





Fairfax School Board’s bullying problem


When Fairfax County School Board member Stuart Gibson was accused of releasing confidential information about an 8-year-old boy during his latest reelection bid, FCPS attorneys defended him by arguing that any parent who discusses the challenges of raising a special needs child with an online support group automatically waives their privacy rights.

This absurd idea was justifiably shot down by the Virginia Department of Education.

Despite a sworn declaration from Gibson himself that no illegal disclosure had occurred, the state found him - and FCPS - in noncompliance with laws protecting the privacy rights of children with disabilities. No matter what parents themselves do, the Nov. 27 Letter of Findings concluded, school officials are not allowed to make a child’s educational record public without explicit parental consent.

But that’s not the end of the story. Christine Arakelian, the mother of the third grader in question, was running against Gibson for his Hunter Mill seat when he released confidential details about her son in a July 1 letter to the local PTA and again during a Sept. 19 newspaper interview. Incensed, she called Supt. Jack Dale’s office to complain: “Just because I’m running for office doesn’t mean my son is fair game,” she angrily told school officials. After receiving “absolutely no response” from Dale’s office, Arakelian says, she filed formal complaints with state and federal authorities and still plans to pursue legal action against Gibson.

FCPS has until Dec. 27 to appeal the state’s ruling, which found every one of its arguments to be without merit. FCPS officials would not comment until they discussed the case with other School Board members. Since Gibson refuses to acknowledge this clear breach of his legal and ethical responsibilities as a Board member, they have a lot to talk about. A recall petition now circulating should help focus their attention.

The release of private, privileged information about a political opponent’s disabled child is an appalling act of political bullying. As a Justice Department attorney who campaigned on his expertise in education law, Gibson can’t say he didn’t know what he did was illegal. Nor can he credibly claim ignorance of School Board regulations that subject FCPS employees to dismissal for similar violations.

This issue is bigger than one aggrieved parent. Gibson is the mastermind behind the controversial Western County redistricting, and has reportedly cut a deal with other Board members to exempt some areas from the controversial redistricting.

But a School Board member who doesn’t follow the law and the board’s own rules of conduct has no business making life-altering decisions about other people’s children.

WHAT A GUY

To FACTS .
This issue to recall stu is ridiculous . YOur fake outrage makes me laugh. The mother of the 8 year mentioned in all her campaign literature that her child had special needs .

The redistricting is done move on. Or leave

To GT --

It's a civil rights violation. Period, end of discussion. Parents can discuss their kids. FCPS can't. This is why he was forced to admit he was wrong. If Stu can admit it, why can't you? Do you think FCPS should be able to discuss any child if a parent posts on an internet blog to get help for their child? Is this your position? If so, it is certainly not the position of the Virginia Dept of Education or the FCPS Committee on Students with Disabilities which was outraged by the situation and looking into the matter. Do you know more than the VA Dept of Education or ASCD?

Go ahead and defend your man for strictly political reasons, but it won't help him when he's sued, nor does it help your SL cause to defend him. Even if he's not recalled, it will cost him some serious denero and he's may also be reprimanded or disbarred from the State of MN, which is where he is admitted.



GT Wrote:
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> To FACTS .
> This issue to recall stu is ridiculous . YOur
> fake outrage makes me laugh. The mother of the 8
> year mentioned in all her campaign literature that
> her child had special needs .
>
> The redistricting is done move on. Or leave

dream on Wrote:
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>
> Go ahead and defend your man for strictly
> political reasons, but it won't help him when he's
> sued, nor does it help your SL cause to defend
> him. Even if he's not recalled, it will cost him
> some serious denero and he's may also be
> reprimanded or disbarred from the State of MN,
> which is where he is admitted.
>
>
>

Even people who are not supporters of Stu look at the Arakelian kid thing as political sour gapes. Very few people see this as a recall issue

If RD had been an issue before the election was announced, would stronger candidates have stood against Stu, Janie etc - probably

Stu's the easy target.
- Is he darkness incarnate - no.
- Was he wrong to use RD to solve SLHS's problems - yes.
- Was he evil or just plain wrong?
- Is that an issue people would support for recall - certainly many would.

The real problem isn't Stu - its his neighbors, particularly Janie, who cut deals with him in the face of clear unanimous opposition from their affected constituents,

Recalling Stu for the Arakelian thing is pointless
Recalling Stu for an ill judged and damaging RD makes sense to many and would send out an RD message

But, at the end of the day, stu may have initiated the RD but it was his neighbors who cut the deals and the rest of the SB who went along without insisting that programmatic approaches were tried first

Take a look at the Virginia Code and make your own assessment on whether citizens can recall a public official for disagreeing with a decision they make that is within the parameters of their authority.

Then compare this with what the Virginia Code states on violations of law by public officials that impacts their ability to perform in office.

If you don't do this, you're not making an informed decision. Once you do this, you will see that the choice is obvious.

and btw, RD was on the table before the election. People didn't step up to the plate to run, and many people were approached and asked for months before the election. They declined. SB is a thankless position, and most people won't undertake unless they are egomaniacs or looking for a springboard to higher office. You're lucky you even had a choice -- many people in neighboring districts ran unopposed, and this is why we have problems to begin with -- no terms limits with people staying in power unchallenged for years.


no fan of stu but Wrote:
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> dream on Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Go ahead and defend your man for strictly
> > political reasons, but it won't help him when
> he's
> > sued, nor does it help your SL cause to defend
> > him. Even if he's not recalled, it will cost
> him
> > some serious denero and he's may also be
> > reprimanded or disbarred from the State of MN,
> > which is where he is admitted.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Even people who are not supporters of Stu look at
> the Arakelian kid thing as political sour gapes.
> Very few people see this as a recall issue
>
> If RD had been an issue before the election was
> announced, would stronger candidates have stood
> against Stu, Janie etc - probably
>
> Stu's the easy target.
> - Is he darkness incarnate - no.
> - Was he wrong to use RD to solve SLHS's problems
> - yes.
> - Was he evil or just plain wrong?
> - Is that an issue people would support for recall
> - certainly many would.
>
> The real problem isn't Stu - its his neighbors,
> particularly Janie, who cut deals with him in the
> face of clear unanimous opposition from their
> affected constituents,
>
> Recalling Stu for the Arakelian thing is
> pointless
> Recalling Stu for an ill judged and damaging RD
> makes sense to many and would send out an RD
> message
>
> But, at the end of the day, stu may have initiated
> the RD but it was his neighbors who cut the deals
> and the rest of the SB who went along without
> insisting that programmatic approaches were tried
> first

GT Wrote:
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> To FACTS .
> This issue to recall stu is ridiculous . YOur
> fake outrage makes me laugh. The mother of the 8
> year mentioned in all her campaign literature that
> her child had special needs .
>
> The redistricting is done move on. Or leave

I second that motion

dream on Wrote:
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> To GT --
>
> It's a civil rights violation. Period, end of
> discussion. Parents can discuss their kids. FCPS
> can't. This is why he was forced to admit he was
> wrong. If Stu can admit it, why can't you? Do
> you think FCPS should be able to discuss any child
> if a parent posts on an internet blog to get help
> for their child? Is this your position? If so,
> it is certainly not the position of the Virginia
> Dept of Education or the FCPS Committee on
> Students with Disabilities which was outraged by
> the situation and looking into the matter. Do you
> know more than the VA Dept of Education or ASCD?
>
> Go ahead and defend your man for strictly
> political reasons, but it won't help him when he's
> sued, nor does it help your SL cause to defend
> him. Even if he's not recalled, it will cost him
> some serious denero and he's may also be
> reprimanded or disbarred from the State of MN,
> which is where he is admitted.
>
>
>
> GT Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > To FACTS .
> > This issue to recall stu is ridiculous . YOur
> > fake outrage makes me laugh. The mother of the
> 8
> > year mentioned in all her campaign literature
> that
> > her child had special needs .
> >
> > The redistricting is done move on. Or leave

TO GT

Read below, These are the facts and Gibson will pay.

ZERO TOLERANCE FOR SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS ALSO.

UPDATE: Stu Gibson forced to apologize!

STATEMENT OF THE FAIRFAX COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD


Recently, the Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) received a letter of findings from the Virginia Department of Education (VDOE), finding the "school division to be in noncompliance regarding the confidentiality of educational records" of an individual student as charged by one parent.

The VDOE imposed no sanction and required no corrective action on the part of FCPS or Stu Gibson, the Board member whose statements were the subject of the parent's complaint. The letter of findings applied to this individual complaint only.

School Board member Stu Gibson states: "I am sorry. I apologize if anything I said caused any harm. It was certainly not my intent." The School Board accepts Mr. Gibson's apology.

The School Board has also decided not to appeal the letter of findings.

Each member of the Fairfax County School Board believes in the importance of protecting the confidentiality of student records in accordance with applicable laws. In order to ensure a more complete understanding of privacy statutes, their interpretations and compliance, School Board members will receive additional training regarding the legal requirements governing confidentiality of student records.


Parent wrote

I agree, he should apology to the his victims, even though his apology should not be accepted. He is a lawyer and a long time member of FCPS, he should know this basic law above anyone else. He needs to be removed before he made any further damage to our communities.

I also will throw a party when Mr. Gibson is forced to resign. I don't think he knows the meaning of the word representative. For the past decade he has turned his back on the Floris community, and has done nothing to advocate for our stability. I also think that the School Board should stop this redistricting study until the Stu Gibson issue is resolved. How ethical is it, and in fact how legal is it, for a man found guilty of violating state and federal laws regarding student confidentialty rights to be voting on a School Board? I don't want him representing me. Without a voice representing the Hunter Mill district the redistricting vote will be severely flawed. A major flaw in the whole flawed from the start redistricting fiasco.

Parent wrote;

Why is Stu apologizing to the Board and why are they accepting? Shouldn't the apology go to the injured party? And shouldn't it be their decision to accept it or see this as the political posturing that it really is?

I'm happy about this anyway because this is an admission of guilt and the beginning of the school Board throwing Stu under the bus. His days as Hunter Mill School Board rep are numbered. I will throw a party when he leaves.

Keep in mind that the School Board, Stu and FCPS will still be facing a lawsuit over his actions. That has now become a slam dunk for the plaintiff.
I and many others have been sending emails to the school board and FCPS that we do not want taxpayer money defending Stu. He did this to himself and FCPS, but this was done in the context of his election campaign. I know the county allows the lines to be blurred between election and official school board business.For example - sitting school board members are allowed to present video presentations at back to school nights during an election year. But this happened during his election efforts and we shouldn't pay for his poor judgment anymore than we already have.
Tell FCPS & the School Board - no defense money for Gibson.

FACTS Wrote:
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> dream on Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > To GT --
> >
> > It's a civil rights violation. Period, end of
> > discussion. Parents can discuss their kids.
> FCPS
> > can't. This is why he was forced to admit he
> was
> > wrong. If Stu can admit it, why can't you? Do
> > you think FCPS should be able to discuss any
> child
> > if a parent posts on an internet blog to get
> help
> > for their child? Is this your position? If
> so,
> > it is certainly not the position of the
> Virginia
> > Dept of Education or the FCPS Committee on
> > Students with Disabilities which was outraged
> by
> > the situation and looking into the matter. Do
> you
> > know more than the VA Dept of Education or
> ASCD?
> >
> > Go ahead and defend your man for strictly
> > political reasons, but it won't help him when
> he's
> > sued, nor does it help your SL cause to defend
> > him. Even if he's not recalled, it will cost
> him
> > some serious denero and he's may also be
> > reprimanded or disbarred from the State of MN,
> > which is where he is admitted.
> >
> >
> >
> > GT Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > To FACTS .
> > > This issue to recall stu is ridiculous .
> YOur
> > > fake outrage makes me laugh. The mother of
> the
> > 8
> > > year mentioned in all her campaign literature
> > that
> > > her child had special needs .
> > >
> > > The redistricting is done move on. Or leave
>
> TO GT
>
> Read below, These are the facts and Gibson will
> pay.
>
> ZERO TOLERANCE FOR SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS ALSO.
>
> UPDATE: Stu Gibson forced to apologize!
>
> STATEMENT OF THE FAIRFAX COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD
>
>
> Recently, the Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS)
> received a letter of findings from the Virginia
> Department of Education (VDOE), finding the
> "school division to be in noncompliance regarding
> the confidentiality of educational records" of an
> individual student as charged by one parent.
>
> The VDOE imposed no sanction and required no
> corrective action on the part of FCPS or Stu
> Gibson, the Board member whose statements were the
> subject of the parent's complaint. The letter of
> findings applied to this individual complaint
> only.
>
> School Board member Stu Gibson states: "I am
> sorry. I apologize if anything I said caused any
> harm. It was certainly not my intent." The School
> Board accepts Mr. Gibson's apology.
>
> The School Board has also decided not to appeal
> the letter of findings.
>
> Each member of the Fairfax County School Board
> believes in the importance of protecting the
> confidentiality of student records in accordance
> with applicable laws. In order to ensure a more
> complete understanding of privacy statutes, their
> interpretations and compliance, School Board
> members will receive additional training regarding
> the legal requirements governing confidentiality
> of student records.
>
>
> Parent wrote
>
> I agree, he should apology to the his victims,
> even though his apology should not be accepted. He
> is a lawyer and a long time member of FCPS, he
> should know this basic law above anyone else. He
> needs to be removed before he made any further
> damage to our communities.
>
> I also will throw a party when Mr. Gibson is
> forced to resign. I don't think he knows the
> meaning of the word representative. For the past
> decade he has turned his back on the Floris
> community, and has done nothing to advocate for
> our stability. I also think that the School Board
> should stop this redistricting study until the Stu
> Gibson issue is resolved. How ethical is it, and
> in fact how legal is it, for a man found guilty of
> violating state and federal laws regarding student
> confidentialty rights to be voting on a School
> Board? I don't want him representing me. Without a
> voice representing the Hunter Mill district the
> redistricting vote will be severely flawed. A
> major flaw in the whole flawed from the start
> redistricting fiasco.
>
> Parent wrote;
>
> Why is Stu apologizing to the Board and why are
> they accepting? Shouldn't the apology go to the
> injured party? And shouldn't it be their decision
> to accept it or see this as the political
> posturing that it really is?
>
> I'm happy about this anyway because this is an
> admission of guilt and the beginning of the school
> Board throwing Stu under the bus. His days as
> Hunter Mill School Board rep are numbered. I will
> throw a party when he leaves.
>
> Keep in mind that the School Board, Stu and FCPS
> will still be facing a lawsuit over his actions.
> That has now become a slam dunk for the plaintiff.
>
> I and many others have been sending emails to the
> school board and FCPS that we do not want taxpayer
> money defending Stu. He did this to himself and
> FCPS, but this was done in the context of his
> election campaign. I know the county allows the
> lines to be blurred between election and official
> school board business.For example - sitting school
> board members are allowed to present video
> presentations at back to school nights during an
> election year. But this happened during his
> election efforts and we shouldn't pay for his poor
> judgment anymore than we already have.
> Tell FCPS & the School Board - no defense money
> for Gibson.

While I truly acknolwedge and appreciate the harships involved for those families redistricted, one recurring theme by some, and it appears yourself also, is that for a school member, including Stu, not voting the way you would vote constitues not representing their constituency. Every single one of these members has an obligation to their ENTIRE area, and to the ENTIRE county, not just to individual communities.

second motion Wrote:
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> Every single one of these members has an
> obligation to their ENTIRE area, and to the ENTIRE
> county, not just to individual communities.

But when only a small part of their constituency is affected, it would be nice if they made even a show of supporting them

Cutting the deals in a back room and offering a nicely wrapped bundle of your constituents on the block is not okay

They should say what they're doing and why they're choosing that over the other options and engage in an open and explicit dialogue with the affected neighborhoods - listening to their constituents would be nice

Handing down imperious judgments has not been best practice since the Romanovs

management lessons from the Romanovs Wrote:
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> second motion Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Every single one of these members has an
> > obligation to their ENTIRE area, and to the
> ENTIRE
> > county, not just to individual communities.
>
> But when only a small part of their constituency
> is affected, it would be nice if they made even a
> show of supporting them
>
> Cutting the deals in a back room and offering a
> nicely wrapped bundle of your constituents on the
> block is not okay
>
> They should say what they're doing and why they're
> choosing that over the other options and engage in
> an open and explicit dialogue with the affected
> neighborhoods - listening to their constituents
> would be nice
>
> Handing down imperious judgments has not been best
> practice since the Romanovs


I will not argue with your valid point.

word Wrote:
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> uhm - those of you from westfield (floris) and
> chantilly (navy) that think you're going to pupil
> place back to those schools are fooling yourselves
> - they will tell you there is no room - try
> centreville, herndon or fairfax
>
> however - those of you from foxmill looking to
> stay at oakton are in luck, there is some room and
> with all of the navy people trying to get out
> they'll be even more



sorry, word, have to disagree with you here and you really don't make sense when you say that navy won't be successful in pupil-placing, yet turn around and say Oakton will be empty with navy trying to get out, but anyway, Westfield still accepted pupil placements this year when there number was "high." Going forward, their numbers will be lower. There are not that many to pupil place back into Westfield since they only took a chump-change portion of Floris. And if worse comes to worse, there are plenty of Floris kids that would happily go to Oakton, since that is still where some of our community kids go anyway. No fools here.

GT Wrote:
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> To FACTS .
> This issue to recall stu is ridiculous . Your fake outrage makes me laugh. The
> mother of the 8 year mentioned in all her campaign literature that her child had
> special needs .
>
> The redistricting is done move on. Or leave

Your fake dismissal of this grave breach of ethics and abuse of power suggests that you would tolerate any abuse of power which advanced you personal agenda and interests.

As VDOE stated in its opinion posted on this forum and and not appeal by Stuy or the FCPS, it was absolutely irrelevant that any mention of the childs records was made by anyone else. Stu was forbidden to disclose the information.

no fan of stu but Wrote:
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> Recalling Stu for the Arakelian thing is pointless. Recalling Stu for an ill
> judged and damaging RD makes sense to many and would send out an RD
> message

Unfortunately Va. State Code does not pemit a recall of Stu for the RD.

He blatantly broke the law regarding the Arakelian kid. He's admitted the violation.

The Va. State Code allows you to recall him for that.

> But, at the end of the day, stu may have initiated the RD but it was his
> neighbors who cut the deals and the rest of the SB who went along without
> insisting that programmatic approaches were tried
> first

Make no mistake, Stu cut every deal that resulted in every detail of this RD.

ALL FAIRFAX COUNTY RESIDENCE NEED TO SUPPORT FAIRFAXCAPS IN THEIR LAWSUIT AGAINST THE OUT OF CONTROL FCPS SCHOOL BOARD.

NOW IS THE TIME TO STAND UP AGAINST THE SCHOOL BOARD'S DECISIONS TO REDISTRICT WESTERN FAIRFAX COUNTY, BECAUSE NEXT TIME IT WILL BE YOU.

GO TO;

FairfaxCAPS.org

It seems the guidelines are updated on FCPS web site. But can't find out what changed.

It is my understanding that there is a way out for some of the issues on the table. A school board member from the side that "won" can present an amendment to be voted on again. For instance, one of the six who voted against Navy, could bring up another amendment to amend the first vote. Since the vote was a 6-6 tie, it seems there should be more discussion until a majority rule. Is anyone familiar with this?

GT Wrote:
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> To FACTS .
> This issue to recall stu is ridiculous . YOur
> fake outrage makes me laugh. The mother of the 8
> year mentioned in all her campaign literature that
> her child had special needs .
>
> The redistricting is done move on. Or leave

Want to know more about "FACTS" and fake outrage

Try here
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/06/AR2006110601482.html

does anyone know Wrote:
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> It is my understanding that there is a way out for
> some of the issues on the table. A school board
> member from the side that "won" can present an
> amendment to be voted on again. For instance, one
> of the six who voted against Navy, could bring up
> another amendment to amend the first vote. Since
> the vote was a 6-6 tie, it seems there should be
> more discussion until a majority rule. Is anyone
> familiar with this?

That's a good question. When there's a tie like in a basketball or football game, they go in overtime until a team wins. Is there such a rule for RDs with tied votes on amendments?

NOTHING IS FAKE ABOUT FACTS. HE STANDS UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT AND STANDS UP FOR THE LITTLE GUYS AGAINST THE BIG GUYS.

THAT IS THE SAME PROBLEM WE ARE FACING IN OUR FIGHT AGAINST THE SB. THE BIG BAD GUYS TELLING THE LITTLE GUYS HOW TO RUN THEIR LIVES.

No thanks Wrote:
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> Other than having no desire to attend Oakton, I
> have a current student at CHS as well as other
> circumstances. And for real, are you completely
> ignorant of the fact that the students from
> Chantilly have NO desire to attend your stuck up
> school? Seriously, that whole cougar thing is
> disturbing to say the least. Some parents are
> going to whatever extremes to pupil place at
> Chantilly. Some have bought into your egocentric,
> spoiled environment and can't wait to attend your
> ugly building and drug problem student population.
> Their loss.
>
>
> > I'm curious. What is your (Navy's) rationale
> for
> > Pupil Placing back to Chantilly from Oakton?
> Both
> > are AP schools.

Hey "no thanks"...you misinterpreted the question. According to the rules, there are only a few reasons to pupil place. Those roped into SL can say they want AP. But you Navy guys have a higher hurdle...you cannot say AP because Oakton and Chantilly both have AP. I am sure the question was asked to get some ideas out there for folks who do not want to switch from Chantilly to Oakton.

You alluded to "special circumstances." Not sure if I should say I am glad for you, since they may be something private for which there is no need to celebrate. But generally, what is the rationale for folks wanting to xfer back to Chantilly. I applaud the idea....just not sure how to get the bureacracy to support it. Anyone out there with an idea?

That is correct, there are only a few rules listed, however schools allow pupil placements for more reasons than indicated. Fill out the form and attach a note indicating your reasons. No big secret for my special circumstances, the hardship of having two students in two different schools in two different directions is a significant hardship and has a significant impact on the quality of life for my children and our family. Jack Dale supports keeping families intact as he stated that night of the vote.


> Hey "no thanks"...you misinterpreted the question.
> According to the rules, there are only a few
> reasons to pupil place. Those roped into SL can
> say they want AP. But you Navy guys have a higher
> hurdle...you cannot say AP because Oakton and
> Chantilly both have AP. I am sure the question
> was asked to get some ideas out there for folks
> who do not want to switch from Chantilly to
> Oakton.
>
> You alluded to "special circumstances." Not sure
> if I should say I am glad for you, since they may
> be something private for which there is no need to
> celebrate. But generally, what is the rationale
> for folks wanting to xfer back to Chantilly. I
> applaud the idea....just not sure how to get the
> bureacracy to support it. Anyone out there with
> an idea?

no thanks Wrote:
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> That is correct, there are only a few rules
> listed, however schools allow pupil placements for
> more reasons than indicated. Fill out the form
> and attach a note indicating your reasons. No big
> secret for my special circumstances, the hardship
> of having two students in two different schools in
> two different directions is a significant hardship
> and has a significant impact on the quality of
> life for my children and our family. Jack Dale
> supports keeping families intact as he stated that
> night of the vote.
>
>
> > Hey "no thanks"...you misinterpreted the
> question.
> > According to the rules, there are only a few
> > reasons to pupil place. Those roped into SL
> can
> > say they want AP. But you Navy guys have a
> higher
> > hurdle...you cannot say AP because Oakton and
> > Chantilly both have AP. I am sure the question
> > was asked to get some ideas out there for folks
> > who do not want to switch from Chantilly to
> > Oakton.
> >
> > You alluded to "special circumstances." Not
> sure
> > if I should say I am glad for you, since they
> may
> > be something private for which there is no need
> to
> > celebrate. But generally, what is the
> rationale
> > for folks wanting to xfer back to Chantilly. I
> > applaud the idea....just not sure how to get
> the
> > bureacracy to support it. Anyone out there
> with
> > an idea?


Jack Dale has promised a lot about pupil placement. His promises are in direct contrast to Stu Gibson's dream of filling South Lakes. Remains to be seen if Jack Dale prevails or Stu gets his wish.

I have heard that pupil placements may be closed for Chantilly Oakton and Madison.

Has anyone else heard this? There was a meeting today between staff and all Principals involved in the study area. Anyone know anything?

I am betting this boundary change will benefit SLHS and Herndon at the expense of our kids.

Chantilly and Madison are going to be closed for pupil placement. Oakton will have about 100 seats available next year. Westfield probably will have a few. Herndon is wide open.

Are Jack Dale's comments on the night of the vote about keeping families together in writing somewhere?

Fairfax CAPS is suing now. They want 300-400 per family . They Claim they can reverse this whole thing. Does anyone have info on this? Do they have a chance of winning. Should I bother donating , this is alot of money

Hopeitworks Wrote:
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> Fairfax CAPS is suing now. They want 300-400 per
> family . They Claim they can reverse this whole
> thing. Does anyone have info on this? Do they have
> a chance of winning. Should I bother donating ,
> this is alot of money


I am curious on what grounds they intend to sue before committing funds.

Hopeitworks Wrote:
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> Fairfax CAPS is suing now. They want 300-400 per
> family . They Claim they can reverse this whole
> thing. Does anyone have info on this? Do they have
> a chance of winning. Should I bother donating ,
> this is alot of money


like all investments, there is always risk...how much are you willing to risk for your children?

Lots of misinformation about here. Before moving on . . . Taught both AP and IB history and coordinated an IB program.

Neither AP nor IB can guarantee credit or placement. Not much mention of schools only accepting 5s on the AP exam for credit.

The first year of an IB HL course is not an honors course. It is the first year year of a rigorous two-year course. An SL course is equivalent to an AP course.

The IB Diploma is a significant achievement. No backing away from weakness in a subject area. Required community service and mini-thesis.

IB is a curriculum. AP is a test.

IB has multiple and varied assessment. Little multiple choice that AP relies heavily on. IB students must be able to write. AP tests are scored en masse at hotels. MOst AP essays receive a few minutes of reading. IB tests are sent to examiners in small batches all over the world.

AP schools are now asking for their own version of the TOK class. TOK is a philosophy-like course where students discuss how we "know". Many schools give credit for TOK. Why would AP schools ask to replicate an IB course?

Parents - Neither AP nor IB students leave college early because of credit they earn. They will spend your money with or without AP/IB credit.

IB is forward-looking with constant review of its curriculum and assessment.

Marshall gets no more money than any other school in FCPS because it is small. Please. It ranks among the top schools in the county.

Wrong . . . Marshall has the most successful IB program in FCPS. Almost one-third of its current junior class is enrolled as a full-diploma candidate. It also has the highest average IB scores. A great school.

Throwing money down a rabbit hole. Try SL, you just might like it.

CAPS Suit Wrote:
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> Throwing money down a rabbit hole. Try SL, you
> just might like it.


Excellent advice

Hey, did you all see the front page article in today's Wash. Post? DC area private schools are being tested by a drop in applications.

This might mean that the privates are ready to deal! Apparently, current tuition is about $30K a year. But, maybe if we can deliver a large bloc of our RD kids, we could get a price break. A "group rate", if you will.

What say you all?

Hopeitworks Wrote:
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> Fairfax CAPS is suing now. They want 300-400 per family . They Claim they can
> reverse this whole thing. Does anyone have info on this? Do they have a chance of > winning. Should I bother donating, this is alot of money

There is NO CHANCE of success on this suit.

Please redirect your energy to pupil placement or the recall litigtion.

goog idea Wrote:
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> CAPS Suit Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Throwing money down a rabbit hole. Try SL, you
> > just might like it.
>
>
> Excellent advice

I wonder how maney people who are making posts on this site are FCPS employees,
School Board members and PTA officials who are trying to direct people to South Lakes via misinformation, fear and political pressure?

We do not want to try South Lakes, we are happy where we are.

Support the lawsuit so you can stay at the school you want. Come up with the money.

sam Wrote:
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> Hopeitworks Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fairfax CAPS is suing now. They want 300-400
> per
> > family . They Claim they can reverse this whole
> > thing. Does anyone have info on this? Do they
> have
> > a chance of winning. Should I bother donating ,
> > this is alot of money
>
>
> I am curious on what grounds they intend to sue
> before committing funds.

There is no way anyone involved on the legal effort could possible share strategy on a forum like this. But, your dollars are needed. I'm not sure where you got the $300 to $400 figure. I have not heard that and I don't think it's right. This doesn't have to be overwhelming for families. With enough contributions, $100 to $200 per family can go a long way. Each family needs to decide how much they care about fighting this. Do we want our day in court? There are smart folks working on this.

Know something Wrote:
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> sam Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hopeitworks Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Fairfax CAPS is suing now. They want 300-400
> > per
> > > family . They Claim they can reverse this
> whole
> > > thing. Does anyone have info on this? Do they
> > have
> > > a chance of winning. Should I bother donating
> ,
> > > this is alot of money
> >
> >
> > I am curious on what grounds they intend to sue
> > before committing funds.
>
> There is no way anyone involved on the legal
> effort could possible share strategy on a forum
> like this. But, your dollars are needed. I'm not
> sure where you got the $300 to $400 figure. I have
> not heard that and I don't think it's right.
> This doesn't have to be overwhelming for families.
> With enough contributions, $100 to $200 per
> family can go a long way. Each family needs to
> decide how much they care about fighting this. Do
> we want our day in court? There are smart folks
> working on this.
this came from an email from CAPS forwarded to me . This is where the 300-400 came from

Everyone needs to decide how much to contribute. Many in the FairfaxCAPS leadership are contributing between $2,000-5,000 per family. Depending upon the legal associate, one hour of “lawyer time” may cost between $300-400. Every family is asked to consider a contribution that will cover at least 1-2 hours of “lawyer time” but please contribute more if you can. Note that the vast majority of contributions to FairfaxCAPS will be used for the legal effort. A small percentage will also go to support minimal administrative expenses for the FairfaxCAPS advocacy effort (web site hosting, paper announcements, printing, SCC and IRS organizational and incorporation fees, etc.). As in the past, every effort will be made to keep administrative expenses to a minimum. A parent

There are VA laws relating to RD process that were broken. Like any lawsuit there is always a chance for failure. More the number of people contributing less the risk per person. $300 is not that much compared to what your child will lose or if you pupil place the thousands you will spend on transportation
investment Wrote:
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> Hopeitworks Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fairfax CAPS is suing now. They want 300-400
> per
> > family . They Claim they can reverse this whole
> > thing. Does anyone have info on this? Do they
> have
> > a chance of winning. Should I bother donating ,
> > this is alot of money
>
>
> like all investments, there is always risk...how
> much are you willing to risk for your children?

CAPS Suit Wrote:
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> Throwing money down a rabbit hole. Try SL, you
> just might like it.


Is that the message we want to send out - surrender without a fight. We want to have our day in court. In court the SB will have to listen and answer to questions. It is no longer about SL - it is about rights, justice and principle now

SCSS Wrote:
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> Remind the SB that they should send kids from
> overcrowded South County to undercapacity Lake
> Braddock. They both are AP schools and they both
> are grades 7-12. There is no need for a SC Middle
> School at this time of declining fiscal resources.

No problem, voters always support school bonds for new schools and renovations.

Baffled Wrote:
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Which explained why Storck mentioned in a recent
> article that they (fcps) will be successful.
> However with the nature of how the process was
> carried out with this RD, it should be interesting
> to see what the judge has to say. Especially when
> the sb admitted the process was flawed and
> appeared indifferent about it.

Of course Storck would say that, but he knows nothing about the law.

FairfaxCAPS is having a car wash this Sat at the Sunoco at South Lakes Village Center to raise money for the lawsuit.

Everyone come on out and get your car washed.

Former IB Coordinator Wrote:
> Lots of misinformation about here. Before moving
> on . . . Taught both AP and IB history and
> coordinated an IB program.

[You deserve your privacy as much as the rest of us, but you sound just like a retired FCPS administrator many of us remember.]

Yes, you DO present a lot of misinformation. Too much for one response, so I will address two or three paragraphs at a time.

> "Neither AP nor IB can guarantee credit or
> placement. Not much mention of schools only
> accepting 5s on the AP exam for credit."

If you score a "4" or a "5" in AP Art History, AP BC Calculus, and/or AP US History you ARE "guaranteed" ADVANCED PLACEMENT AND EIGHT CREDITS EACH at UVA. Other courses offer different credit, and of course you have to do well on the exam.

Don't believe me? Go to
http://artsandsciences.virginia.edu/college/classes/ap_credit.html

"Art (History) 4 or 5 - 8 credits earned for ARTH 101 and ARTH 102"
"History (United States) 4 or 5 - 8 credits earned for HIUS 201 and 202"
"Math (BC) 4 or 5 - 8 credits earned for MATH 131 and 132"

More college websites [copied from the FairfaxCAPS website] are listed below. The very top colleges (Harvard, MIT) are looking for "5's" but most colleges only look for a "3" on an AP exam.

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> "... An SL course is equivalent to an AP course."

Even Jay Mathews, arguably the world's biggest IB booster, finally admits, "Students usually can't get college credit for one-year IB courses, even though they are similar to one-year Advanced Placement courses, which are eligible for credit. In another complication, students can get credit for passing tests after two-year IB courses, but that credit is equivalent to one year in AP." ["Despite IB Growth, College Credit Is Elusive" Jay Mathews. Washington Post, Monday, February 25, 2008; B01]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/24/AR2008022402191.html

Standard Level or Subsidiary Level (SL) course are viewed by most college departments as the equivalent of Honors courses - "more challenging" than regular, but not as "rigorous" as AP or IB High Level (HL). Few colleges give credit for the Standard Level (SL) IB courses without the full IB Diploma. [In Fairfax County most SL courses are a year long but a few are two years long.]

University of Virginia
http://records.ureg.virginia.edu/content.php?catoid=11&navoid=176&bc=1#the_inte_bacca

Virginia Tech
http://www.registrar.vt.edu/registration/tests_for_credit.php

College of William & Mary
http://www.wm.edu/admission/?id=3750

Randolph Macon
http://www.rmc.edu/Admissions/freshman/preparations.aspx

Univ of Mary Washington
http://www.umw.edu/admissions/undergraduate/ib_credit_information.php

Christopher Newport Univ.
http://admissions.cnu.edu/undergraduateAdmissions/applyAsAFreshman/freshmanFAQs/creditTransferGuidelines.cfm#International_Baccalaureate

Johns Hopkins University:
http://www.jhu.edu/admis/apply/apib.html

Penn State
http://www.psu.edu/admissions/steps/understanding/ib.htm

North Carolina
http://www.admissions.unc.edu/academics/placement.htm

Delaware
http://admissions.udel.edu/apply/apibcredit.shtml

South Carolina
http://www.sc.edu/bulletin/Union/admissions.html

Clemson Univ.
http://www.clemson.edu/prospectivestudents/transfer/ibcredit.html

Rutgers
http://sebs.rutgers.edu/transfer/#AP

Georgia
http://www.uga.edu/honors/prospective/ap.html