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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: August 05, 2008 11:36AM

Neen Wrote:
> Yeah, I agree, our school board is not funny, but
> it is dominated by democrats. People in Hunter
> Mill would vote for an ol' yellow dog, (and often
> have) if he's on the democrat sample ballot. Dumb
> as rocks.

Neen, when was the last time you voted Democratic? You are a solid Republican in an era when (at least on the national level) the Republicans have completed flubbed it up.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: truth teller ()
Date: August 05, 2008 01:25PM

Thanks for sharing. You are correct that Republicans have flub it up....but the main flub is that they have not co-opted the WP into not writing about them. One would think that all high level Dems are squeeky clean. Or could it be that the WP just keeps their unclean behavior under the radar screen?




formerhick76 Wrote:
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> Neen Wrote:
> > Yeah, I agree, our school board is not funny,
> but
> > it is dominated by democrats. People in Hunter
> > Mill would vote for an ol' yellow dog, (and
> often
> > have) if he's on the democrat sample ballot.
> Dumb
> > as rocks.
>
> Neen, when was the last time you voted Democratic?
> You are a solid Republican in an era when (at
> least on the national level) the Republicans have
> completed flubbed it up.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: OakARKs ()
Date: August 05, 2008 02:09PM

Don't forget to email me with your food suggestions for our next anti SLHS RD meeting. Mary said she might make a bunch of pies. Maybe somebody could make homemade ice cream to go with that. I'm going to bake some cakes and brownies. This meeting should be a lot of fun. Some one should also make fresh cookies.

We need single guys at our meeting too!

We are going to stop this redistricting. Soccer Mom's unite : )) We'll show the FCPS board.

Go Oakton Pather's - Mary's idea ;)

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: angry soccer mom ()
Date: August 05, 2008 04:14PM

I find your snarkie posting an offensive posting against all those soccer moms out there who work their butts off so kids have access to sports.

I can only assume that you have never met a soccer mom or had a soccer mom working on your behalf.





OakARKs Wrote:
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> Don't forget to email me with your food
> suggestions for our next anti SLHS RD meeting.
> Mary said she might make a bunch of pies. Maybe
> somebody could make homemade ice cream to go with
> that. I'm going to bake some cakes and brownies.
> This meeting should be a lot of fun. Some one
> should also make fresh cookies.
>
> We need single guys at our meeting too!
>
> We are going to stop this redistricting. Soccer
> Mom's unite : )) We'll show the FCPS board.
>
> Go Oakton Pather's - Mary's idea ;)

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: what? ()
Date: August 05, 2008 06:23PM

OakARKs Wrote:
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> Don't forget to email me with your food
> suggestions for our next anti SLHS RD meeting.
> Mary said she might make a bunch of pies. Maybe
> somebody could make homemade ice cream to go with
> that. I'm going to bake some cakes and brownies.
> This meeting should be a lot of fun. Some one
> should also make fresh cookies.
>
> We need single guys at our meeting too!
>
> We are going to stop this redistricting. Soccer
> Mom's unite : )) We'll show the FCPS board.
>
> Go Oakton Pather's - Mary's idea ;)


What? We can't be the Oakton horseflies? I am crushed. Still, I would be glad to come to the meeting and will bake some Oatmeal raisin cookies to bring.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: OakARKs, too ()
Date: August 05, 2008 07:19PM

I vote that the Oakton Mascot be the Social X-Rays (code name for LisaC). Madison should change its name from the warhawks to Neenhawks Vienna Real-estate.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: curious #1 ()
Date: August 05, 2008 09:21PM

OakARKS, I don't recall reading any of LisaC posting. Where are they?



OakARKs, too Wrote:
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> I vote that the Oakton Mascot be the Social X-Rays
> (code name for LisaC). Madison should change its
> name from the warhawks to Neenhawks Vienna
> Real-estate.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: August 05, 2008 11:46PM

OakARKs Wrote:
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> Don't forget to email me with your food
> suggestions for our next anti SLHS RD meeting.
> Mary said she might make a bunch of pies. Maybe
> somebody could make homemade ice cream to go with
> that. I'm going to bake some cakes and brownies.
> This meeting should be a lot of fun. Some one
> should also make fresh cookies.
>
> We need single guys at our meeting too!
>
> We are going to stop this redistricting. Soccer
> Mom's unite : )) We'll show the FCPS board.
>
> Go Oakton Pather's - Mary's idea ;)

I'll bring Lemonade. Everyone likes lemonade.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: OakARKs, too ()
Date: August 06, 2008 08:55AM

Sorry, Madison interlopers are not invited.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Trolls ()
Date: August 06, 2008 11:16AM

Internet trolls are usually juvenile cretins who infest Internet message boards, taunting the earnest posters chatting about high school redistricting or other topic of the moment. Most trolls are adolescents who would otherwise entertain themselves with bathroom graffiti. Trolls post their ignorant, insulting messages then feed off the upset they have created. Ignore them, starve their juvenile craving for attention, and they go away.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Next Actions ()
Date: August 06, 2008 12:49PM

Now that the RD is done, we have to figure out the next action. We need to start a movement to gain freedom from South Lakes occupation of FM. If Oakton does not want these occupied lands back, we should have build a seperate school. Say NO to SL occupation.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: OakARKs, too ()
Date: August 06, 2008 01:14PM

Thanks for targeting neener.

Trolls Wrote:
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> Internet trolls are usually juvenile cretins who
> infest Internet message boards, taunting the
> earnest posters chatting about high school
> redistricting or other topic of the moment. Most
> trolls are adolescents who would otherwise
> entertain themselves with bathroom graffiti.
> Trolls post their ignorant, insulting messages
> then feed off the upset they have created. Ignore
> them, starve their juvenile craving for attention,
> and they go away.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: be an FCPS Watchdog ()
Date: August 06, 2008 03:23PM

Next Actions Wrote:
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> Now that the RD is done, we have to figure out the
> next action. We need to start a movement to gain
> freedom from South Lakes occupation of FM. If
> Oakton does not want these occupied lands back, we
> should have build a seperate school. Say NO to SL
> occupation.


I think the most productive use of your time should be spent on the following:

1. Tell every parent and taxpayer that you know to vote NO on the next bond referendum. This school system does whatever they want regardless of public input and regardless of whether it is fiscally prudent. You can look no further than Gatehouse I and II and SOCO middle school and the fact that South Lakes was renovated before schools like, West Springfield, Edison, and TJ. Take their checkbook away-that should get their attention.

Whyare we renovating schools with 14oo kids when there are older schools with 2200 students? It makes no sense.

2. I would suggest that you continue to take an interest in the students in this school district who are not as fortunate as your kids in that they do not have a parent advocating on their behalf. Speak out about the unacceptable dropout rates, speak out about the minority achievement gaps, demand action in schools where some groups are failing SOLs at rates of 60-70%. Let's all embrace a "It takes a village" mentality towards these kids.

Direct your justified anger and frustration towards this school system in a constructive way and continue to monitor what this SB does that harms our kids.

Don't accept defeat.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Forum Reader ()
Date: August 06, 2008 05:23PM

be an FCPS Watchdog Wrote:
> 1. Tell every parent and taxpayer that you know to
> vote NO on the next bond referendum. This school
> system does whatever they want regardless of
> public input and regardless of whether it is
> fiscally prudent. You can look no further than
> Gatehouse I and II and SOCO middle school and the
> fact that South Lakes was renovated before schools
> like, West Springfield, Edison, and TJ. Take their
> checkbook away-that should get their attention.
>
> Whyare we renovating schools with 14oo kids when
> there are older schools with 2200 students? It
> makes no sense. ...
>
South Lakes was renovated before older and "worse condition" schools like Woodson and Edison because South Lakes was the last of the "open classroom" buildings to be reconfigured. If you have been in one of the "open classroom" schools, you realize why that mistake needed to be corrected.

The number of students in a school has nothing to do with whether or not it needs renovation. Some small elementary schools like Floris and Franklin Sherman needed renovation before Edison.

Sure, be a watchdog - but check out the story behind the story before you take action.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: curious ()
Date: August 06, 2008 05:34PM

Forum Reader Wrote:
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> be an FCPS Watchdog Wrote:
> > 1. Tell every parent and taxpayer that you know
> to
> > vote NO on the next bond referendum. This
> school
> > system does whatever they want regardless of
> > public input and regardless of whether it is
> > fiscally prudent. You can look no further than
> > Gatehouse I and II and SOCO middle school and
> the
> > fact that South Lakes was renovated before
> schools
> > like, West Springfield, Edison, and TJ. Take
> their
> > checkbook away-that should get their attention.
> >
> > Whyare we renovating schools with 14oo kids
> when
> > there are older schools with 2200 students? It
> > makes no sense. ...
> >
> South Lakes was renovated before older and "worse
> condition" schools like Woodson and Edison because
> South Lakes was the last of the "open classroom"
> buildings to be reconfigured. If you have been in
> one of the "open classroom" schools, you realize
> why that mistake needed to be corrected.
>
> The number of students in a school has nothing to
> do with whether or not it needs renovation. Some
> small elementary schools like Floris and Franklin
> Sherman needed renovation before Edison.
>
> Sure, be a watchdog - but check out the story
> behind the story before you take action.

One small quibble, if you mean HS open classroom schools you might be right, but Sleepy Hollow ES and Woodburn ES are just now being renovated and they are both open classroom buildings

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: August 07, 2008 09:37AM

truth teller Wrote:
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> Thanks for sharing. You are correct that
> Republicans have flub it up....but the main flub
> is that they have not co-opted the WP into not
> writing about them. One would think that all high
> level Dems are squeeky clean. Or could it be that
> the WP just keeps their unclean behavior under the
> radar screen?

What party had both the Presidency and Congress under their control between 2001 and 2006? State/county is a different ballgame.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Webster spel czech ()
Date: August 07, 2008 10:11AM

Next Actions Wrote:
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> Now that the RD is done, we have to figure out the
> next action. We need to start a movement to gain
> freedom from South Lakes occupation of FM. If
> Oakton does not want these occupied lands back, we
> should have build a seperate school. Say NO to SL
> occupation.


Say "YES" to learning how to spell, especially when engaging in shrill whinery (again).

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: August 08, 2008 01:29AM

OakARKs, too Wrote:
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> Sorry, Madison interlopers are not invited.

I'm crushed, just sick about this.

What if I bring Mike's Hard Lemonade?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: GATEHOUSE 2 ()
Date: August 08, 2008 10:47PM

THIS IS YOUR MONEY BEING SPENT BY THIS OUT OF CONTROL SB


The following is what Jack Dale, Staff and the school board get at Gatehouse 2 for 90 million OF YOUR TAX dollars;

LAVISH OFFICE SPACE WITH STYLE AND CLASS.

274,690 SQUARE FEET.

BEAUTIFULLY REMODELED LOBBY, COMMON CORRIDORS AND LOBBIES ON ALL SIX FLOORS.

ABUNDANT FREE SURFACE AND COVERED PARKING.

LARGE CAFETERIA WITH OUTDOOR SEATING.

10,000 SQUARE FOOT DATA CENTER.

STATE OF THE ART CONFERENCE CENTER.

FITNESS CENTER WITH SHOWERS AND LOCKER ROOMS.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

THE FOLLOWING IS WHAT THE STUDENTS GET IN FCPS;

1,000 SCHOOL TRAILERS THAT ARE 50 YEARS OLD, THAT ARE FIRE TRAPS, WITH NO TOILETS AND NO RUNNING WATER.

SCHOOLS THAT ARE FALLING APART AND ARE NOT SAFE FOR STUDENTS.


THIS SCHOOL BOARD NEEDS TO GO NOW.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Mrs. Cleaver ()
Date: August 08, 2008 11:09PM

Ok, Ward.

Are we done yet?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: yes and no ()
Date: August 11, 2008 12:33AM

For the South Lakes PTSA - Yes.
For the victims of RD - No. This is just the start - They have to find new homes or alternative education plans for their children

Mrs. Cleaver Wrote:
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> Ok, Ward.
>
> Are we done yet?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: OBX ()
Date: August 11, 2008 10:48PM

Neen, Mr. More, SLVerity, word, quantum, Forum Reader and APorIB decided to end their online FU babbles and go live and in person. They are away this week and next--renting an OBX house together. They found the discussion to be much more interesting in the hot tub as they showed off their new sun tan lines and downed colorful cocktails.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: this ends now ()
Date: August 11, 2008 11:31PM

It was a hard fought war. SBMs winner takes all. This is the end of this war. Live to fight in the next elections.
We will never forget.

OBX Wrote:
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> Neen, Mr. More, SLVerity, word, quantum, Forum
> Reader and APorIB decided to end their online FU
> babbles and go live and in person. They are away
> this week and next--renting an OBX house together.
> They found the discussion to be much more
> interesting in the hot tub as they showed off
> their new sun tan lines and downed colorful
> cocktails.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: slinkeyts ()
Date: August 11, 2008 11:45PM

why is this so long? lol



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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Mary Ellen ()
Date: August 12, 2008 12:55AM

All interested parties......the Fairfax School Board staff are pushing their pencils at this very moment plotting how to destroy other neighborhoods as they play musical chairs with small children. What is staff doing....moving kids from School A to School B to School C in order to "fix" the ESOL, F & RM, and SOL percentages of McNair. This is not fair to the students of McNair nor for the students being shuffled like chairs on a ship that is going down, down, and down. What can we do about it???????????????????

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Vote the Bums OUT ()
Date: August 12, 2008 04:58AM

Mary Ellen Wrote:
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> All interested parties......the Fairfax School
> Board staff are pushing their pencils at this very
> moment plotting how to destroy other neighborhoods
> as they play musical chairs with small children.
> What is staff doing....moving kids from School A
> to School B to School C in order to "fix" the
> ESOL, F & RM, and SOL percentages of McNair. This
> is not fair to the students of McNair nor for the
> students being shuffled like chairs on a ship that
> is going down, down, and down. What can we do
> about it???????????????????

ATTEND ALL MEETINGS AND VOICE YOUR CONCERNS,SAY NO TO ALL SCHOOL BONDS, THEN VOTE THE BUMS OUT.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: take action ()
Date: August 12, 2008 08:40AM

No to all school bonds. Hard to do at the voting booth, but necessary if we are to send the message that the SB needs to be better custodians of our tax dollars instead of pandering to the wealthy.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Grudge Holder ()
Date: August 12, 2008 09:08AM

If you have a personal vendatta please take out on the kids of Fairfax county by voting no to school bonds.

WTF? Grow up! You'll make a fine adult some day.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Interesting Article ()
Date: August 12, 2008 11:51AM

About a prominent FairfaxCAPS member, Scott Chronister:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/07/AR2007090702428.html

Better audit those CAPS books.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: August 12, 2008 10:56PM

Nothing will change as long as people in the county continue to vote for any democrat who appears on their ballot. Until voters care more about their taxes and their schools, the bums will continue to be in charge and will continue to do whatever they want to do with our kids and our schools.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Mall Rat ()
Date: August 12, 2008 11:10PM

Thank god the democrats were in power, otherwise FCPS would be for sale to the highest foreign bidder.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: take action ()
Date: August 13, 2008 08:48AM

Neen,

Incompetence, pandering, negligence, dereliction of duty; all transcend party lines. Blaming one party and thus voting party line will do the students a great disservice. County Executive Anthony Griffin, republican, offerered ten mil. to SOCO for a new wing to alleviate over crowding. Chairman of the Board of Supervisors, Gerry Connolly, democrat, approved the ten mil. for a school that has two thousand newly renovated empy seats nearby. Springfield SB Rep. Bradsher, republican, claims she ran on a platform to get WSHS on the CIP. Instead, she voted to study the emergent health and safety dangers at the schoolrather than fight for us like she fights for her own wealthy community. Sb rep Dan Stork, democrat, received all of his donor money from the SOCO bunch. Bought and paid for his vote to build a new school when students in WS go to a school full of mold and asbestos. Springfield Supervisor, Pat Herity, republican said SOCO is the most important issue in the county today. However, students at HIS high school have classes in a school with exploding windows and sewage overflowing. WSHS has never had a complete renovation, yet the SB voted TWICE to build a new school while leaving newly renovated schools under capacity. The republican controlled House of Delegates block all NOVA represenatives efforts to bring back more of our tax dollars. We must unite in our effort to hold the SB and the BoS accountable to the tax payers and parents. Overcrowding truly stinks, but brand new trailers can comfortably accomodate the SOCO students, while the 40 year trailers at WSHS that are full of mold are removed and replaced and the facility is completely renovated and the HAZMAT cleaned up.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Why Address Neen ()
Date: August 13, 2008 09:10AM

She appears to be a non-doer complainer who spends her time posting on message boards. She is no more effective than those she gripes about - and boy does she gripe!!!

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: you go sister ()
Date: August 13, 2008 09:51AM

take action Wrote:
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> Neen,
>
> Incompetence, pandering, negligence, dereliction
> of duty; all transcend party lines. Blaming one
> party and thus voting party line will do the
> students a great disservice. County Executive
> Anthony Griffin, republican, offerered ten mil. to
> SOCO for a new wing to alleviate over crowding.
> Chairman of the Board of Supervisors, Gerry
> Connolly, democrat, approved the ten mil. for a
> school that has two thousand newly renovated empy
> seats nearby. Springfield SB Rep. Bradsher,
> republican, claims she ran on a platform to get
> WSHS on the CIP. Instead, she voted to study the
> emergent health and safety dangers at the
> schoolrather than fight for us like she fights for
> her own wealthy community. Sb rep Dan Stork,
> democrat, received all of his donor money from the
> SOCO bunch. Bought and paid for his vote to build
> a new school when students in WS go to a school
> full of mold and asbestos. Springfield
> Supervisor, Pat Herity, republican said SOCO is
> the most important issue in the county today.
> However, students at HIS high school have classes
> in a school with exploding windows and sewage
> overflowing. WSHS has never had a complete
> renovation, yet the SB voted TWICE to build a new
> school while leaving newly renovated schools under
> capacity. The republican controlled House of
> Delegates block all NOVA represenatives efforts to
> bring back more of our tax dollars. We must unite
> in our effort to hold the SB and the BoS
> accountable to the tax payers and parents.
> Overcrowding truly stinks, but brand new trailers
> can comfortably accomodate the SOCO students,
> while the 40 year trailers at WSHS that are full
> of mold are removed and replaced and the facility
> is completely renovated and the HAZMAT cleaned up.


The West Springfield community really needs to unite on this travesty. Squeeky wheel gets the grease in this school district or where the money is flowing. Storck's actions with SOCO are a disgrace-he was bought and paid for by the SOCO crew with their "imaginary piggy bank" and all. Storck pretends to be Abe Lincoln-he is a fraud. Why does he ignore those kids at Mt Vernon? That school is a disgrace. Those kids are not getting the attention they deserve. The test scores are dreadful, the SAT participation rates are a disgrace, etc. etc.

All of us need to start giving a holy crap about what is going on in our schools-not just the schools our kids attend. We need to speak up when there are injustices. A united front is needed here.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: copyboy ()
Date: August 13, 2008 02:07PM

wonder where copygirl went?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: fcps already sold by democrats ()
Date: August 14, 2008 09:51PM

Democrats have already sold FCPS -
To IBO for IB - they pay 2 times AP to Europe based IBO for IB
Stu Gibson sold FCPS privileges like school choice to the rich communities of North Reston so that they can go to Langley.

If only we had open bidding, other areas could have bid for Stu Gibson's sale. With democrats in power it is all behind the scene under the table deals


Mall Rat Wrote:
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> Thank god the democrats were in power, otherwise
> FCPS would be for sale to the highest foreign
> bidder.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Common Wealth ()
Date: August 15, 2008 07:42AM

Oh, well then, you go right ahead and make a big fat donation to Republican Liz Bradsher and she'll build a nice brand new school in your neighborhood. Nevermind that there might be more of a need somewhere else. LIKE STUDENTS IN HER OWN DISTRICT ATTENDING A FACILITY THAT IS CAUSING HEALTH PROBLEMS. EG: INCREASED ASTHAMA AND 4 TEACHERS WITH CANCER.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: nonpartisan ()
Date: August 15, 2008 09:16AM

School Board members are run on the ballot without party affiliation.

How can CAPS legally run a raffle? I need a new car and would like to offer you a raffle ticket.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SBS ()
Date: August 15, 2008 10:10AM

nonpartisan Wrote:
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> School Board members are run on the ballot without
> party affiliation.
>
> How can CAPS legally run a raffle? I need a new
> car and would like to offer you a raffle ticket.

The same way any other non-profit does.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Look at the direction ()
Date: August 15, 2008 10:11AM

I don't see IB going anywhere anytime soon-many of these student achievment goals have a global reference. It would be inconsistent to kill the IB programs if they keep these goals.

Parents better get a grip-there are some major cuts coming. I am guessing the sports/band programs are the first to get whacked. They have to cut $200 million from the budget next year. The teachers aren't going to work for less-and they eat up 85% of the budget. It is programs or bodies folks. We better get our opinions heard before this corrupt SB makes the decisions for us.

The battle is just beginning.

BTW, where is CAPS??? Are hey still around? What is their next move?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: It will be painful ()
Date: August 15, 2008 03:53PM

No doubt there will be major cuts. We can kiss any possibility of All day kindergarten goodbye. You have to wonder how Montgomery County manages to get it funded. I guess it is a matter of priorities.

Maybe this latest budget slaughter will finallt teach this idiots who are writing the checks that we should not renovate schools that are half empty and we should not build schools that we don't need. Don't even get me started on the waste of Gatehouse I and II.

I don't see how we can keep smaller classes-I think some layoffs need to happen or certainly some freezes. I am sure the ESL kids will be hurt the most. God forbid we stop funding the Chinese emersion programs. That moron, Kathy Smith, actually was asking for more funding for the program-she is clearly clueless.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Mary Ellen ()
Date: August 15, 2008 08:25PM

Do you think there might be a slight feeling of guilt as the Board members grease their slide into a new administrative building and at the same time do a hatchet job on academics and resources needed by the students?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: August 16, 2008 03:55AM

nonpartisan Wrote:
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> School Board members are run on the ballot without
> party affiliation.
>
> How can CAPS legally run a raffle? I need a new
> car and would like to offer you a raffle ticket.

If you believe that the school board members are not partisan, I've got some ocean front property in Indiana for you, cheap.

All 10 of the democrats on the board appear on the democrat sample ballots. Tessie appears on republican ballots. Since Liz Bradshear is supposedly a republican, but clearly is not, I won't speculate on where she appears.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: August 16, 2008 03:57AM

Mary Ellen Wrote:
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> Do you think there might be a slight feeling of
> guilt as the Board members grease their slide into
> a new administrative building and at the same time
> do a hatchet job on academics and resources needed
> by the students?

No, not at all. They justify by protecting and helping staff. Don't forget, the school board works for staff so they must keep them happy.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: proof ()
Date: August 16, 2008 09:18PM

SBS Wrote:
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> nonpartisan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > School Board members are run on the ballot
> without
> > party affiliation.
> >
> > How can CAPS legally run a raffle? I need a
> new
> > car and would like to offer you a raffle
> ticket.
>
> The same way any other non-profit does.

Can you provide proof? Why don't they open up their books?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: last laugh ()
Date: August 17, 2008 08:06PM

Well so much for the SL PTA victory. They did not want Title 1 McNair. Now Gibson is planning to carve up the Floris section assigned to SL and dispatch them to Title 1 schools like McNair, Herndon and Huchiston.
Shows that when you make a deal with the devil, there are no promises. SL is going to get stuck with Title 1s again. SL PTA and Gibson were strange bed fellows to start with. Gibson was in just to retaliate against Floris.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: haha ()
Date: August 17, 2008 10:12PM

I knew Stu was going to turn on SL PTA eventually, but this soon is a surprise

last laugh Wrote:
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> Well so much for the SL PTA victory. They did not
> want Title 1 McNair. Now Gibson is planning to
> carve up the Floris section assigned to SL and
> dispatch them to Title 1 schools like McNair,
> Herndon and Huchiston.
> Shows that when you make a deal with the devil,
> there are no promises. SL is going to get stuck
> with Title 1s again. SL PTA and Gibson were
> strange bed fellows to start with. Gibson was in
> just to retaliate against Floris.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Titter ()
Date: August 18, 2008 03:16PM

last laugh Wrote:
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> Well so much for the SL PTA victory. They did not
> want Title 1 McNair. Now Gibson is planning to
> carve up the Floris section assigned to SL and
> dispatch them to Title 1 schools like McNair,
> Herndon and Huchiston.
> Shows that when you make a deal with the devil,
> there are no promises. SL is going to get stuck
> with Title 1s again. SL PTA and Gibson were
> strange bed fellows to start with. Gibson was in
> just to retaliate against Floris.



Where is Huchiston? Is that near South Ossetia?

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Sun Gazette weighs in...
Posted by: Enlightened Thinking ()
Date: August 18, 2008 09:03PM

A recent Sun Gazette editorial on the decision in the west county high school redistricting case closed with the following statement:

"In the end, the quality of an education has much more to do with a student's desire than with any particular school."

Article: http://www.sungazette.net/articles/2008/08/18/fairfax/opinion/bcmt773.txt

So it is about time the parents in South Lakes stop whining about the need for more and better classes and programs and start focusing on the REAL PROBLEM--those laggard kids they have been raising.

On the off chance you take issue with this opinion--either of your child rearing ability or your child's desire for a quality education--save your breath on the Underground, give that rocket scientist editorial staff at the Gazette Times the benefit of your views...

http://www.sungazette.net/shared-content/perform/?domain_name=sungazette.net&form_template=feedback

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Re: Sun Gazette weighs in...
Posted by: your view is funny ()
Date: August 18, 2008 09:13PM

Enlightened Thinking Wrote:
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> A recent Sun Gazette editorial on the decision in
> the west county high school redistricting case
> closed with the following statement:
>
> "In the end, the quality of an education has much
> more to do with a student's desire than with any
> particular school."
>
> Article:
> http://www.sungazette.net/articles/2008/08/18/fair
> fax/opinion/bcmt773.txt
>
> So it is about time the parents in South Lakes
> stop whining about the need for more and better
> classes and programs and start focusing on the
> REAL PROBLEM--those laggard kids they have been
> raising.
>
> On the off chance you take issue with this
> opinion--either of your child rearing ability or
> your child's desire for a quality education--save
> your breath on the Underground, give that rocket
> scientist editorial staff at the Gazette Times the
> benefit of your views...
>
> http://www.sungazette.net/shared-content/perform/?
> domain_name=sungazette.net&form_template=feedback

Yes, that last line was a good one, clearly telling parents that are now going to be sending their kids to South Lakes to recognize their kid's desire will make them succesful whether they are at South Lakes or Oakton. Thanks for posting the article, and letting us read it to correctly understand the Gazettes view point.

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Re: Sun Gazette weighs in...
Posted by: crap ()
Date: August 19, 2008 12:43AM

NO amount of kid's desire to be succesful will make the high level math and science AP course appear at South Lakes. Sending kids to South Lakes is like putting obstacles in thier path to success. It is a crazy competitive world out there. We should be helping these kids get ready to compete in the global knowledge economy, not saddling them with liberal art IB courses at South Lakes

your view is funny Wrote:

>
> Yes, that last line was a good one, clearly
> telling parents that are now going to be sending
> their kids to South Lakes to recognize their kid's
> desire will make them succesful whether they are
> at South Lakes or Oakton. Thanks for posting the
> article, and letting us read it to correctly
> understand the Gazettes view point.

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U R Full of.....
Posted by: Farmer Brown ()
Date: August 19, 2008 11:18AM

crap Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> NO amount of kid's desire to be succesful will
> make the high level math and science AP course
> appear at South Lakes. Sending kids to South Lakes
> is like putting obstacles in thier path to
> success. It is a crazy competitive world out
> there. We should be helping these kids get ready
> to compete in the global knowledge economy, not
> saddling them with liberal art IB courses at South
> Lakes
>
>

Mr. T says that "I pity the fool".

I pity your sorry ass for saddling your offspring with the weight of a dumbbunny parent.

Must be tough, but maybe it'll make li'l junior stronger.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Deanflagel ()
Date: August 20, 2008 07:36AM

Sorry I haven't gotten back to this -
Lest one assume Mr. More's data is complete, I recehecked with Arlington schools and the high schools do vary their grading scales. If you look on Yorktown High School's web site, for instance, their grading scale is not the one you list.

I was at University of Michigan before coming to Mason. I'm glad you so admire them - bear in mind they have a FAR higher percentage of out of state students than do the Virginia institutions. They also receive FAR more money from Michigan than any of the Virginia schools do. With the state cutting back continually on funding per student at Virginia's public colleges and universities, I would think you would be glad to see more out staters. In the case of Mason, if we hadn't increased out of staters, with their drasticaly higher tuition, we would have had to cut spaces from Virginia students.

I provide more details on the grading scale issue on my blog, and will be at the discussion on the topic being hosted next week and look forward to seeing many of you there.

Dr. Andrew Flagel
Dean of Admissions
George Mason University
www.notjustadmissions.com

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Take that, TM ()
Date: August 20, 2008 08:57AM

Whack! Right in the kisser.

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Re: Sun Gazette weighs in...
Posted by: New Schoolz ()
Date: August 20, 2008 10:31AM

crap Wrote:
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> NO amount of kid's desire to be succesful will
> make the high level math and science AP course
> appear at South Lakes. Sending kids to South Lakes
> is like putting obstacles in thier path to
> success. It is a crazy competitive world out
> there. We should be helping these kids get ready
> to compete in the global knowledge economy, not
> saddling them with liberal art IB courses at South
> Lakes

You appearently don't know shit about IB. It is far more respected at many colleges.

AP is old news and outdated. Get with the program Grandma

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Re: Sun Gazette weighs in...
Posted by: SBS ()
Date: August 20, 2008 01:24PM

New Schoolz Wrote:
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> crap Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NO amount of kid's desire to be succesful will
> > make the high level math and science AP course
> > appear at South Lakes. Sending kids to South
> Lakes
> > is like putting obstacles in thier path to
> > success. It is a crazy competitive world out
> > there. We should be helping these kids get
> ready
> > to compete in the global knowledge economy, not
> > saddling them with liberal art IB courses at
> South
> > Lakes
>
> You appearently don't know shit about IB. It is
> far more respected at many colleges.
>
> AP is old news and outdated. Get with the program
> Grandma

Yeah, ok. That's why AP students consistently get more college credit for comparable HS work,

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Re: Sun Gazette weighs in...
Posted by: summary ()
Date: August 20, 2008 10:52PM

This issue has been debated to death in these pages. Summary is that if you like Math and Science go AP, if you want arts go IB

SBS Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> New Schoolz Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > crap Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > NO amount of kid's desire to be succesful
> will
> > > make the high level math and science AP
> course
> > > appear at South Lakes. Sending kids to South
> > Lakes
> > > is like putting obstacles in thier path to
> > > success. It is a crazy competitive world out
> > > there. We should be helping these kids get
> > ready
> > > to compete in the global knowledge economy,
> not
> > > saddling them with liberal art IB courses at
> > South
> > > Lakes
> >
> > You appearently don't know shit about IB. It
> is
> > far more respected at many colleges.
> >
> > AP is old news and outdated. Get with the
> program
> > Grandma
>
> Yeah, ok. That's why AP students consistently get
> more college credit for comparable HS work,

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: August 22, 2008 08:41PM

Deanflagel Wrote:
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> > I was at University of Michigan before coming to Mason. I'm glad you so admire them - bear in mind they have a FAR higher percentage of out of state students than do the Virginia institutions.< <

Sorry, Mr. Flagel but the last published information has UMich at 30% out of state, UVA at 38% and W&M at 34% out of state. Of course GMU, being a commuter and suitcase school, only has 12% out of state.

The average in NC system is 18%.

Another important difference is that UVA, W&M GMU and JMU now refused to increase their total enrollment to respond to the increase in high school seniors in NoVa. Thus, the proposal to start a new university in Abingdon.

UMich has not frozen its size though the MI high school population is not growing.

> > They also receive FAR more money from Michigan than any of the Virginia schools do. With the state cutting back continually on funding per student at Virginia's public colleges and universities, I would think you would be glad to see more out staters. In the case of Mason, if we hadn't increased out of staters, with their drasticaly higher tuition, we would have had to cut spaces from Virginia students.< <

Agree that Va spending on higher education is among the lowest in the country.

It is the obligation of the public university system to educate the population of its state. Every seat given to an out of stater is one less seat for a state resident. It remains to proven that the increase in the number of out of state students increases the number seats available to Va residents.

By the way, why is the 4 year graduation rate at GMU so abysmally low? 26%!

Is that part of a scheme to balance the budget by requiring Mom & Dad to pay 6 years tuition to buy little Susie her degree?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: More than one brain cell ()
Date: August 23, 2008 04:19AM

The reason that most GMU students take more than 4 years to graduate is because most are not rich. We have to work own way through school. Many of us are immigrants, with families who cannot pay our way through school. We have to work 40 or 50 hours a week and try to do to school too. It takes longer to get through that way.

Do you hate poor people or something? We are doing our best to graduate, but cannot do it as fast as some you rich people can do it.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Don't worry ()
Date: August 23, 2008 10:09AM

Ignore Mr. More. He's can't help himself. He's a natural born jerk.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: STUDENT DATA PUT ON OPEN WEB SITE BY ()
Date: August 25, 2008 12:28PM

Re: Jack Dale needs to go.
Posted by: FERPA VIOLATIONS BY FCPS
Date: 12/31/1969 07:00PM


Another Fuck Up by the biggest Fuck Up of them all, JACK DALE.

-----Original Message-----
From: Fcps Outreach [mailto:Fcpskit@fcps.edu]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:07 PM
Subject: The Princeton Review and Student Data

Dear Parent

Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) first learned in the New York Times
on August 19 that FCPS student data had been inadvertently compromised.
FCPS contacted The Princeton Review team after reading the article and
was able to talk with them about the matter on August 19.

According to The Princeton Review, the data was inadvertently placed on
an open website by an internet service provider under contract to them.
The Princeton Review received the information from FCPS as part of a SOL
practice test program for students in grades 3-8; the contract between
The Princeton Review and FCPS has ended for other reasons.


On August 19, The Princeton Review acknowledged their responsibility,
and issued the following statement to the media:

Media Statement by The Princeton Review - 8.19.08

'We devote a lot of attention to the security of our data, and have
extensive procedures in place to manage this process. On Monday, we
were advised that some information which had been kept safe and secure
may have inadvertently been accessible to highly sophisticated computer
users. A preliminary investigation, launched as soon as we were made
aware of this problem, suggests that this occurred due to a breakdown in
our normal data security protocols when web hosting was recently
migrated to a new provider. The investigation will include the
retention of a forensic accounting and security team to review the
incident and evaluate our security policy and procedures. We have
apologized to our customers for this situation, and assured them that
access to the information has been closed, and that we are working
diligently to put in place any needed remedies to make certain this
problem does not recur.'


On Wednesday evening, August 21, The Princeton Review returned the
compromised files to FCPS. The files were exposed from June 28 to
August 18 and included student and teacher information. Based on FCPS
analysis of these files, data from the school year 2005-2006 for 75,559
students and 3,157 teachers were exposed. The exposed student data
included FCPS student ID number, student first and last name and student
date of birth. Note that student Social Security numbers were NOT
included in any of the data files.

Although your student's information was included in files that were
subject to compromise by this incident, we have no reason to believe
that this incident poses any threat to your student and do not believe
that you need to take any action. If you have questions, you may call
The Princeton Review at 1-800-955-4600 Monday - Friday between 9:00 AM
and 6:00 PM Eastern Time beginning Monday afternoon, August 25th.

Sincerely,

Jack D. Dale
Division Superintendent
Fairfax County Public Schools
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huge classes at FM
Posted by: FM mom ()
Date: August 25, 2008 02:38PM

I just learned that the 4th and 5th grade general ed (non JI) classes at Fox Mill will have 32 and 33 kids per classroom this coming year. Last year, my son had 24 kids in his class. Hard to believe that the school board is even considering a grand new building with class size numbers like this in FCPS elementary schools. It's obvious to me how the budget should be spent. Why isn't it obvious to them?

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Re: huge classes at FM
Posted by: Baffled ()
Date: August 25, 2008 02:59PM

FM mom Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I just learned that the 4th and 5th grade general
> ed (non JI) classes at Fox Mill will have 32 and
> 33 kids per classroom this coming year. Last
> year, my son had 24 kids in his class. Hard to
> believe that the school board is even considering
> a grand new building with class size numbers like
> this in FCPS elementary schools. It's obvious to
> me how the budget should be spent. Why isn't it
> obvious to them?

The way I see it with the SB members, they care about themselves and the staff. It is just too screwed up, this SB and the decisions they have made leading to huge budget challenges. I, too have learned about the class size for 4th and 5th grades at FM since my younger kid is going there. Don't know how that is going to turn out, but hope for the best. Smaller classes are great at every school level even in high school, JMO

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Re: huge classes at FM
Posted by: Bearded Clam ()
Date: August 25, 2008 03:24PM

>
> The way I see it with the SB members, they care
> about themselves and the staff. It is just too
> screwed up, this SB and the decisions they have
> made leading to huge budget challenges. I, too
> have learned about the class size for 4th and 5th
> grades at FM since my younger kid is going there.
> Don't know how that is going to turn out, but hope
> for the best. Smaller classes are great at every
> school level even in high school, JMO

Christ! Make up your fucking minds, do want redistricting or don't you?

You bitch about not redistricting and now your bitching about uneven class sizes at schools?

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Re: huge classes at FM
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: August 25, 2008 03:54PM

Baffled Wrote:
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> FM mom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I just learned that the 4th and 5th grade general ed (non JI) classes at Fox Mill will have 32 and 33 kids per classroom this coming year. Last year, my son had 24 kids in his class. Hard to believe that the school board is even considering a grand new building with class size numbers like this in FCPS elementary schools. It's obvious to me how the budget should be spent. Why isn't it obvious to them?< <
>
> The way I see it with the SB members, they care about themselves and the staff. It is just too screwed up, this SB and the decisions they have made leading to huge budget challenges. I, too have learned about the class size for 4th and 5th grades at FM since my younger kid is going there. Don't know how that is going to turn out, but hope for the best. Smaller classes are great at every school level even in high school, JMO<

Then Superintendent Spillane did exactly the same thing during the last recession in the early '90's. It was one of the reasons he was forced out and one of the reasons given to justify replacing appointed schools boards with elected school boards because the appointed SB was seen as too subservient to the Board of Supervisors that appointed them and thus too willing to increase class size instead of reducing overhead and administrative staff.

Obviously, elected school boards did nothing to enhance the interests of FCPS students over the staff versus the appointed SB.

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Re: huge classes at FM
Posted by: FM mom ()
Date: August 25, 2008 10:22PM

Bearded Clam Wrote:
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> >
> > The way I see it with the SB members, they care
> > about themselves and the staff. It is just too
> > screwed up, this SB and the decisions they have
> > made leading to huge budget challenges. I,
> too
> > have learned about the class size for 4th and
> 5th
> > grades at FM since my younger kid is going
> there.
> > Don't know how that is going to turn out, but
> hope
> > for the best. Smaller classes are great at
> every
> > school level even in high school, JMO
>
> Christ! Make up your fucking minds, do want
> redistricting or don't you?
>
> You bitch about not redistricting and now your
> bitching about uneven class sizes at schools?


No,you don't get it. The School Board is wasting money on a new building when they should be spending it on classroom teachers and other classroom resources. (A new Gatehouse building is a "nice to have" and we don't have the luxury for nice to haves right now.) We had space and teachers last year and now the teachers have been cut. this is not a redisticting issue, so quit your bitching about bitching.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: wake up call ()
Date: August 26, 2008 09:28AM

You people need a reality check. Look at the numbers for goodness sakes. The operating budget is $2,000,000,000 of which 85% goes to salaries. The itty bitty 15% of the pie govers everything else. They are going to cut $200 million next year-where do you think it needs to come from? The 85% or the 15%???

We need gas for the buses. We need to repair broken pipes and windows. We need to pay for electricity and water. We need textbooks. The list goes on and on.

Stop griping about overcrowded classrooms. There will be no hiring. I would pupil place to a nearby school before I would let my kid in a classroom with 35 students. We all have to make the best of it-things will only be getting worse.

Gatehouse II is a disgrace that it is even being talked about.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: OakARKs ()
Date: August 26, 2008 10:25AM

Well i got my little ones to school yesterday. :(

what is going on with Oakton HS? :( Alot of parents are upset that many of the good teachers transfered out.

we need to make a list off these teachers that left and see if can get them back at our next meeting. We are still looking for our lawyer to start OakARKS case on redistricting. We need a good one this time.

Several parents were talking about meeting during the OHS Outback bowl.

Does the Outback Bowl sound good for every one? (I like the way that sounds, reminds me of Outback Restaraunt, I could eat there for hours!)

Go Oakton Panthers! ~ Our new name! : ) ~

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Stat Man ()
Date: August 26, 2008 09:47PM

FCPS has now posted Class of 2008 SAT scores. Here is ranking of combined Critical Reading/Math at the county schools, with comparison to county ranking in prior year.

1. TJHSST 1471 (no change)
2. Langley 1222 (no change)
3. McLean 1180 (no change)
4. Woodson 1173 (no change)
5. Oakton 1146 (no change)
6. Lake Braddock 1130 (up 1)
Marshall 1130 (up 3)
8. Madison 1123 (down 2)
9. Robinson 1107 (down 1)
10. Herndon 1100 (up 4)
11. Chantilly 1094 (down 1)
12. Westfield 1091 (down 1)
13. West Springfield 1089 (down 1)
14. Centreville 1073 (up 1)
15. South County 1061 (up 3)
16. Falls Church 1057 (up 5)
17. South Lakes 1057 (down 4)
18. Lee 1048 (up 5)
19. Fairfax 1047 (down 3)
20. Stuart 1029 (down 1)
21. Annandale 1025 (down 1)
22. West Potomac 1025 (down 5)
23. Hayfield 1010 (up 2)
24. Edison 1001 (no change)
25. Mount Vernon 989 (down 3)

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Why No Writing Score? ()
Date: August 27, 2008 09:46AM

Why not include the writing score?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: FM mom ()
Date: August 27, 2008 11:58AM

wake up call Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You people need a reality check. Look at the
> numbers for goodness sakes. The operating budget
> is $2,000,000,000 of which 85% goes to salaries.
> The itty bitty 15% of the pie govers everything
> else. They are going to cut $200 million next
> year-where do you think it needs to come from? The
> 85% or the 15%???
>
> We need gas for the buses. We need to repair
> broken pipes and windows. We need to pay for
> electricity and water. We need textbooks. The
> list goes on and on.
>
> Stop griping about overcrowded classrooms. There
> will be no hiring. I would pupil place to a
> nearby school before I would let my kid in a
> classroom with 35 students. We all have to make
> the best of it-things will only be getting worse.
>
> Gatehouse II is a disgrace that it is even being
> talked about.


Ok, but let's be clear. When you say "salaries" you are not just talking classroom teacher salaries. There is incredible bloating of personnel/salaries on the admin side. Does anyone know the percentage of the budget that goes to classroom teacher (and principal and asst. principal salaries.)

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Stat Man ()
Date: August 27, 2008 05:54PM

Why No Writing Score? Wrote:
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> Why not include the writing score?

Some think the inclusion of the writing score underweights performance on the Math test, but in any event the inclusion of the writing score would not change the rankings too much:

1. TJHSST 2183
2. Langley 1824
3. McLean 1759
4. Woodson 1745
5. Oakton 1710
6. Marshall 1680
7. Madison 1674
8. Lake Braddock 1673
9. Robinson 1646
10. Herndon 1636
11. Chantilly 1621
West Springfield 1621
13. Westfield 1620
14. Centreville 1595
15. South County 1581
16. Falls Church 1568
South Lakes 1568
18. Lee 1563
19. Fairfax 1553
20. Stuart 1536
21. West Potomac 1530
22. Annandale 1523
23. Hayfield 1503
24. Edison 1488
25. Mount Vernon 1475

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Real Facts Now ()
Date: August 27, 2008 06:33PM

And now the real numbers
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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: IB stinks again ()
Date: August 28, 2008 01:40AM

Real Facts Now Wrote:
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> And now the real numbers

Why do almost all of the IB schools have such low SAT writing scores? I thought that IB was supposed to teach students to write well. Scores do not reflect that.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: quantum ()
Date: August 28, 2008 09:35AM

This below provides an an excellent description of the state of education today. While it expresses a grasp of facts and an an analysis considerably beyond my own experience base and skills, it connects with the complaints that many parents have about the public schools.

http://ednews.org/articles/28449/1/An-Interview-with-George-K-Cunningham--Helping-or-Hindering-Potential-Teachers/Page1.html

See in particular the sections about reading and math teaching (items 4 & 5). He confirms what so many parents have been intuiting, who are so often regarded as having insufficient expertise to comment (or worse, derided as elitist for the sin of wanting high educational standards for their children).

This topic of course underlies most all of the debates surrounding redistricting - and irony upon irony, I would hazard a guess that the most ardent pro and con redistricting types would, if they could speak with candor, both agree with this commentator.

So the question is not one of just drawing lines on a redistricting map, but rather who has to bear the burden for the mess that educrats have helped to create. As many have commented, the sense of division that the school board has created has likely helped in furthering its mission of, as Cunningham puts it, critical pedagogy.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Lester ()
Date: August 28, 2008 09:39AM

West Potomac and Edison sure took some hits

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Lester ()
Date: August 28, 2008 09:42AM

Damn TJ just blows the rest of the Fairfax County schools away with an average of 711 and 722

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: perfect match ()
Date: August 28, 2008 09:55AM

quantum Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This below provides an an excellent description of
> the state of education today. While it expresses
> a grasp of facts and an an analysis considerably
> beyond my own experience base and skills, it
> connects with the complaints that many parents
> have about the public schools.
>
> http://ednews.org/articles/28449/1/An-Interview-wi
> th-George-K-Cunningham--Helping-or-Hindering-Poten
> tial-Teachers/Page1.html
>
> See in particular the sections about reading and
> math teaching (items 4 & 5). He confirms what so
> many parents have been intuiting, who are so often
> regarded as having insufficient expertise to
> comment (or worse, derided as elitist for the sin
> of wanting high educational standards for their
> children).
>
> This topic of course underlies most all of the
> debates surrounding redistricting - and irony upon
> irony, I would hazard a guess that the most ardent
> pro and con redistricting types would, if they
> could speak with candor, both agree with this
> commentator.
>
> So the question is not one of just drawing lines
> on a redistricting map, but rather who has to bear
> the burden for the mess that educrats have helped
> to create. As many have commented, the sense of
> division that the school board has created has
> likely helped in furthering its mission of, as
> Cunningham puts it, critical pedagogy.


Too ironic.

Let me quote the article:

Critical pedagogy literature tends to be nearly unreadable. The authors of the articles on the topic write in ways that make it extremely difficult to understand. They seem to believe that if the reader can't understand it, they are likely to conclude that the writing is brilliant rather than nonsensical.

Is that Quantum, or what?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: IB Analysis ()
Date: August 28, 2008 09:59AM

IB stinks again Wrote:
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> Real Facts Now Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And now the real numbers
>
> Why do almost all of the IB schools have such low
> SAT writing scores? I thought that IB was
> supposed to teach students to write well. Scores
> do not reflect that.


My guess is too few take IB to impact the averages. A true measure would be to compare the scores on writing with AP/IB students. Maybe FCPS should do this to evaluate the effectiveness of the IB writing program.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Closer examination needed ()
Date: August 28, 2008 10:05AM

Lester Wrote:
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> West Potomac and Edison sure took some hits


Every FCPS principal should be increasing the SAT participation rates of minorities-sometimes that can cause your averages to go down.

I would rather have an honest score of the schools that includes ALL students, rather than this continued practice of not encouraging these kids to take the exam and think about college.

As I recall, South Lakes had a big jump in their average scores between 2006=-7 and 2007-08 but unless they are broadening their test base, the number is meaningless.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Mozart ()
Date: August 28, 2008 10:16AM

Lester Wrote:
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> West Potomac and Edison sure took some hits

Add Madison to that column - declining scores while neighbors (McLean, Marshall, Oakton) hold steady or improve.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: quantum ()
Date: August 28, 2008 03:14PM

Lester - I rarely get accused of what you speak - that of not being understood. But I do encounter facile responses in place of real debate. And ad hominem attacks are the surest sign of either an unwillingness or incapacity to engage in discourse. I will give you the benefit of the doubt here and concede my verbal skills are poor.

My guess is that Cunningham's piece hit a real nerve - which makes sense because it is painful for those vested in the public schools to come to grips with the damage that politically correct nonsense (is that clear enough for you?) has wrought on our education system.

Although anecdotal, I can't shake the comment that the British comedy actress, Tracey Ullman, made in the mid-90's about our schools when she moved back to England to educate her daughter. She related:

"In California, everything is s-o-o-o touchy-feely. They are into this silly outcome-based education, where it doesn’t matter if she know how to spell her name as long as she knew who she was. And it didn’t matter if she knew that two plus two was four as long as she had enough self-confidence to ask how to get ‘to the conclusion of the problem.’ What a crock! She was going to end up as dumb as a mudflap."

I may be difficult to comprehend (it must be my severe educational deficiencies), but Tracey Ullman surely isn't. And I await your substantive response, surely borne from an education and experience base far superior to my own. Thanks.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Problem is.. ()
Date: August 28, 2008 04:03PM

that Tracy Ullman would likely vote in the very educrats that she doesn't want for her own children, which is what a lot of liberal elite voters in Fairfax Co., with the means to afford private school, do. When will folks around here wake up and realize what they have created with their touchy-feely votes.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Fm Mom ()
Date: August 28, 2008 06:37PM

Many special needs kids in fourth and fith grade
Don't feel sorry for your kid FM mom feel bad for the teachers.

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Re: huge classes at FM
Posted by: immersion numbers? ()
Date: August 28, 2008 10:45PM

FM mom Wrote:
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> I just learned that the 4th and 5th grade general
> ed (non JI) classes at Fox Mill will have 32 and
> 33 kids per classroom this coming year. Last
> year, my son had 24 kids in his class. Hard to
> believe that the school board is even considering
> a grand new building with class size numbers like
> this in FCPS elementary schools. It's obvious to
> me how the budget should be spent. Why isn't it
> obvious to them?


How many in the japanese immersion for each grade level?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: class size ()
Date: August 29, 2008 07:43AM

Is the ratio FCPS follows of 25:1 for Kindergarten to 3rd grades and 35:1 for 4th to 6th grades a county ratio or a Commonwealth of Virginia ratio?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Dupe-id ()
Date: August 29, 2008 12:25PM

WTF?

I signed my kids up for private school at $20K a pop, and I gave to CAPS. Now I find out that South Lakes got significantly more freshmen than projected, even with the most optimistic forecasts.

I relied on a number of you folks who said that "No one" would go to that failing school.

Now I am broke and alone. I am pissed and want my money back.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: No Way ()
Date: August 29, 2008 12:47PM

Awww come on Stu . . .

Is this your last desperate plea to try and convince everyone that your destructive social engineering plan was a success?? Don't kid yourself. There's so much apathy at South Lakes that they cannot even get even field any freshman teams.

Get over yourself!

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Way ()
Date: August 29, 2008 01:30PM

No Way Wrote:
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> Awww come on Stu . . .
>
> Is this your last desperate plea to try and
> convince everyone that your destructive social
> engineering plan was a success?? Don't kid
> yourself. There's so much apathy at South Lakes
> that they cannot even get even field any freshman
> teams.
>
> Get over yourself!


SLHS Freshmen football beat Heritage in the season-opening scrimmage. We got speed; we got spirit. Mr. Gibson wasn't there, though. A few new Fox Mill and Floris parents were.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: fox mill mom ()
Date: August 30, 2008 09:45AM

Oakton won their game against Madison. Fox Mill parents were there, supporting our athletes,

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: new incomers speak up next week ()
Date: August 31, 2008 09:09PM

Can the few new incomers to SLHS post their experience next week once school starts. That will be first real feedback on how the situation on the ground in SLHS really is. All the families I know have already opted out of SLHS. But it will be interesting to get the perspective of the FM/MI/Floris students who decided to brave it out at SL

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: time of day ()
Date: August 31, 2008 10:11PM

Why would they even give you time of day?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Sick of Bradsher ()
Date: September 01, 2008 12:37PM

Appears that a SB subcommittee headed by Liz Bradsher is meeting in early September to discuss (read: revise) the CIP renovation school list.

This is apparently next step in SB plan to screw over older schools on schedule for renovations since SB voted to build unneeded South County middle school. Will Bradsher also try and stick West Springfield - not on last year's list - ahead of other schools previously scheduled for renovations?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: FairfaxCAPS scam ()
Date: September 01, 2008 07:39PM

You fell for the FairfaxCAPS scam. It was your choice to give your money to those people, now deal with it.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: FM mom ()
Date: September 01, 2008 09:34PM

time of day Wrote:
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> Why would they even give you time of day?


Because not everyone who is going to SL tomorrow wanted to go there. Many still feel they are forced due to the RD--and they have no way to avoid it. Obviously, they are hoping for the best--everyone wants to feel good about their high school.

But, I'm sure many will be happy to share their experiences--good and bad--for others to learn from.

I'm sure SL will be bending over backwards to make their "recruits" feel welcome now, which is great. But, the proof will be months from now. Hopefully (and I mean that very sincerely since we have many friends starting SL tomorrow) will have only good stories to tell.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: soccerguy315 ()
Date: September 02, 2008 02:26AM

Lester Wrote:
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> Damn TJ just blows the rest of the Fairfax County
> schools away with an average of 711 and 722


the test to get into TJ is basically an SAT test... so if they take all the highest scorers on the SAT when they are in 8th grade, it is not very surprising that they have all the highest scorers 4 years later too.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: soccerguy315 ()
Date: September 02, 2008 02:44AM

IB stinks again Wrote:
>
> Why do almost all of the IB schools have such low
> SAT writing scores? I thought that IB was
> supposed to teach students to write well. Scores
> do not reflect that.

IB does teach you to write... ask any IB student who has gone through college. They come in ahead and more competent in their writing than their AP counterparts. IB teaches you to write beyond the formula that the SAT wants.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/03/26/writing

or

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/04/education/04education.html

quote:
How to prepare for such an essay? "I would advise writing as long as possible," said Dr. Perelman, "and include lots of facts, even if they're made up." This, of course, is not what he teaches his M.I.T. students. "It's exactly what we don't want to teach our kids," he said.

and also... bigger words = higher score
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/09/20/many_colleges_ignore_sat_writing_test/

quote:
Criticism about the essay has been building for more than a year since an MIT professor's experiment indicated that students could get high scores simply by writing longer and throwing in big words.

Georgetown University, Smith College, and MIT are among the schools that ignore the writing score altogether, while Wellesley College, Tufts University, and Harvard take varying approaches, with none placing high importance on the score.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/02/2008 02:47AM by soccerguy315.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: floris mom ()
Date: September 02, 2008 08:18AM

Does anyone know the true headcount on how many Floris/FM freshmen are going to South Lakes????

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Isn't That Special ()
Date: September 02, 2008 09:37AM

fox mill mom Wrote:
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> Oakton won their game against Madison. Fox Mill
> parents were there, supporting our athletes,

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: New SL Mom ()
Date: September 02, 2008 10:48AM

My child and her friends are all eagerly and willingly going. Poster above must not have too many friends.

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