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Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Jerry's Questions
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Date: August 17, 2010 12:27PM
I have a horde of cats roaming around my neighborhood. Most, if not all, have tags and belong to someone in the neighborhood. Is there a law against allowing your cat to roam wherever? Seems like that's what you would do on the farm, but this is the suburbs. The only time it is a problem, really, is when dogs in their own yards chase and attack the cats. If my dog killed the neighbors cat in my yard, am I liable? If my dog gets loose from my yard and kills the neighbor's cat any place in the neighborhood, am I liable?
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Jerry's Questions
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Date: August 17, 2010 12:38PM
By the way, my dog is very gentle. But these stupid cats roaming around like they are queens of the neighborhood are just asking for it. A dog's instincts to chase and attack (like squirrels and bird) is just going to happen.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Ralph Pootawn
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Date: August 17, 2010 12:42PM
yeah
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Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
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Date: August 17, 2010 12:50PM
Cats can screw up a morning show...
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Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Kitty Splat
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Date: August 17, 2010 12:51PM
I hate cats. They are really good for nothing but killing mice and making your house smell like really nasty piss. I just don't get it. Yeah, I see how they are cute when they are first born or whatever but then it's all downhill. They make shitty companions because they're lurkers. They don't come to you by name. I guess they will sit in your lap and pure, but you can get that shit from a stuffed animal. I just don't get it.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Joan Fremont
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Date: August 17, 2010 02:13PM
Cat urine doesn't really bother me. Though I would never "wear" it, it actually has a perfume quality to it that I kind of like. But any good cat owner worth their salt doesn't allow their precious to pee in the house other than on the kitty litter.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
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Date: August 17, 2010 02:15PM
It's not so much "allowing" as sometimes it can happen. Usually the cat doesn't really want to pee anywhere besides the litterbox but certain things can result in that happening. Sick, stressed, a cat in heat, etc.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Gravis
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Date: August 17, 2010 02:22PM
Jerry's Questions Wrote:
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> If my dog killed the
> neighbors cat in my yard, am I liable?
yes. it's property damage. i think the exception might be if you accidentally kill/injurt an animal because it put itself directly in the of danger. however, other animals are not considered a danger because they are to be restrained by the owner.
> If my dog gets loose from my yard and kills the
> neighbor's cat any place in the neighborhood, am
> I liable?
same as above and you will also be fined for letting your dog "run at large".
there is also the risk of being sued for "Mental Anguish or Suffering of the Owner"
bottom line, keep your dog on a restraining device and it's likely said cats will run to safety before your dog can get to them.
if you are planning on having your dog take out some cats you dislike, be warned that if a pattern is found, you will likely be charged with animal cruelty and your dog may be considered too dangerous and then be destroyed.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> If my dog killed the
> neighbors cat in my yard, am I liable?
yes. it's property damage. i think the exception might be if you accidentally kill/injurt an animal because it put itself directly in the of danger. however, other animals are not considered a danger because they are to be restrained by the owner.
> If my dog gets loose from my yard and kills the
> neighbor's cat any place in the neighborhood, am
> I liable?
same as above and you will also be fined for letting your dog "run at large".
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Quick Summary of Pet/Companion Animal Damages
Rebecca F. Wisch (2003)
In the United States, domesticated animals (either pets or animals of a commercial importance) are considered the personal property of the owner. Animals have no independent legal rights for the most part (i.e., animals cannot be a party to a lawsuit in court). As a result, when a pet is injured or killed, it is the owner who must file a lawsuit to recover damages. Unfortunately, the traditional computation of damages for the loss of pet is the market value of the pet – the amount of money someone else would pay for the identical pet of the same, age, breed, and condition. Since most of our beloved cats and dogs are not pedigreed or are of mixed breed, they have little or no market value. Thus, despite the grievous nature of the act that injured the dog, owners are left with no compensation.
The current movement in pet damages jurisprudence now focuses more on the impact to the human owners of the creatures injured or killed by the wrongful action of another. Courts now grapple with whether damages can be awarded for loss of companionship of the pet or whether damages can be awarded for the emotional distress suffered by the owner. While the majority of states still reject such damages for a variety of reasons, a few states have broken away from traditional property law notions to provide recovery for these non-human household members. States such as Alaska, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, New York and New Jersey to some extent, as well as the District of Columbia express a willingness to accept claims requesting damages beyond market value. Causes of action for emotional distress (the mental anguish suffered by the owner as a result of the negligent or intentional actions of the wrongdoer), loss of companionship, and, on a more limited basis, the "intrinsic value" of the pet are now becoming more common. It is this consideration of intrinsic value (or as one court described it as, "that a pet is not just a thing but occupies a special place somewhere in between a person and a piece of personal property") that may be the first step toward increasing the status of pets under law.
Thus, the answer to the initial question depends in large part on the state in which you live. Courts are generally reluctant to contradict established precedent in the state by creating a new legal remedy. However, the only way to force courts to take intentional and negligent acts against companion animals more seriously is to push the envelope. In this way, both the concerns of animal companions and their human guardians can be better addressed by the legal system.
When a human is injured or killed due to the intentional or even negligent act of another, that individual usually has the right to sue the responsible party for damages (legal compensation for an injury). However, despite the importance we as a society attach to our pets, these same remedies are often unavailable for injury to our animal companions. While the criminal law has made great strides in addressing cruelty to animals, pet owners face an uphill battle in the civil arena.
there is also the risk of being sued for "Mental Anguish or Suffering of the Owner"
bottom line, keep your dog on a restraining device and it's likely said cats will run to safety before your dog can get to them.
if you are planning on having your dog take out some cats you dislike, be warned that if a pattern is found, you will likely be charged with animal cruelty and your dog may be considered too dangerous and then be destroyed.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Jerry's Questions
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Date: August 17, 2010 02:30PM
Thanks for the info, but don't the owners of the cats have a responsibility to keeping their cats in the house? Doesn't seem fair at all as dogs have an instinct to chase cats just like they do birds and squirrels.
And no, I am not interested in having my dog take out cats. I know they're owners are attached them just like I am to my dog.
I heard a rumor that one of my neighbors had a dog that killed a cat in the neighborhood and that they were forced to put him down. I don't know any other details. But it got me to wondering...thus the questions.
And no, I am not interested in having my dog take out cats. I know they're owners are attached them just like I am to my dog.
I heard a rumor that one of my neighbors had a dog that killed a cat in the neighborhood and that they were forced to put him down. I don't know any other details. But it got me to wondering...thus the questions.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
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Date: August 17, 2010 02:38PM
I find it fairly unlikely a dog will catch and kill a cat that's loose outside. Not that it can't happen, it just doesn't seem like something that would happen often. Sure, they'll chase them, and if they did catch them they might kill them, I just don't see the catching being all that easy.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
tmill9
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Date: August 17, 2010 03:24PM
Hmmmm, sitting her thinking. wonder if there would be a way to trap them all somehow. Then rent a wood chipper and start clearing out overgrown shrubs in your yard then throw a cat in every now an then. Kind of like the scene from Fargo, but disguise it with actual tree limbs and such.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
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Date: August 17, 2010 03:57PM
There are small traps people can put out and bait to catch stray cats, yes. They're the same kind you use to catch stuff like raccoons I think. I don't think you should throw them in a wood chipper though. Usually people take them to the local humane society or what have you.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Yahweh
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Date: August 17, 2010 06:06PM
I just realized recently, I hate dogs. And, I guess I’ve always hated dogs. It just took the last 20 or so dogs I’ve met to help me realize it.
Cats are laid back and relaxed. They don’t give a shit. I can relate with cats.
Dogs on the other hand just seem like "severely mentally challenged" people. High strung, eager to please, gotta stop and sniff everything, snatching your sandwich off the table, pissing on your leg, humping your leg, all with a stupid shit-eating look on their faces.
Fuck dogs, I’m done with them.
Cats are laid back and relaxed. They don’t give a shit. I can relate with cats.
Dogs on the other hand just seem like "severely mentally challenged" people. High strung, eager to please, gotta stop and sniff everything, snatching your sandwich off the table, pissing on your leg, humping your leg, all with a stupid shit-eating look on their faces.
Fuck dogs, I’m done with them.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Momof4
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Date: August 18, 2010 09:13AM
If your dog kills a cat on your property you will not be charged. Our dog killed a cat a few months ago in our enclosed back yard. The neighbor runs a cat rescue however, all the cats are running around free. Our dog is very gentle with people but he will chase down any small animal (other than other dogs). I called the animal shelter when this happened to ask if we could be held responsible and I was told that as long as the dog was fenced in on our property, it was the cat owner's responsibilty to keep the cats out of our yard.
That being said, I can tell you that there are no laws in Fairfax County that deal with cats. My neighbors and I have called the County numerous times regarding the problems we have with the cats. These cats go to the bathroom all over the yards and they have even gone in our garage and urinated on our personal property. When we called the County we were told the best thing we could do for the loss of the personal items was to take the cat owner to Small Claims Court. We were able to get the cat owner to pay for the property that was damaged without going to court.
That being said, I can tell you that there are no laws in Fairfax County that deal with cats. My neighbors and I have called the County numerous times regarding the problems we have with the cats. These cats go to the bathroom all over the yards and they have even gone in our garage and urinated on our personal property. When we called the County we were told the best thing we could do for the loss of the personal items was to take the cat owner to Small Claims Court. We were able to get the cat owner to pay for the property that was damaged without going to court.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
tmill9
()
Date: August 18, 2010 09:37AM
Yahweh Wrote:
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> I just realized recently, I hate dogs. And, I
> guess I’ve always hated dogs. It just took the
> last 20 or so dogs I’ve met to help me realize
> it.
> Cats are laid back and relaxed. They don’t give
> a shit. I can relate with cats.
> Dogs on the other hand just seem like "severely
> mentally challenged" people. High strung, eager
> to please, gotta stop and sniff everything,
> snatching your sandwich off the table, pissing on
> your leg, humping your leg, all with a stupid
> shit-eating look on their faces.
> Fuck dogs, I’m done with them.
In some cases dogs are a lot smarter than many "intelligent" and/or highly educated people!
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> I just realized recently, I hate dogs. And, I
> guess I’ve always hated dogs. It just took the
> last 20 or so dogs I’ve met to help me realize
> it.
> Cats are laid back and relaxed. They don’t give
> a shit. I can relate with cats.
> Dogs on the other hand just seem like "severely
> mentally challenged" people. High strung, eager
> to please, gotta stop and sniff everything,
> snatching your sandwich off the table, pissing on
> your leg, humping your leg, all with a stupid
> shit-eating look on their faces.
> Fuck dogs, I’m done with them.
In some cases dogs are a lot smarter than many "intelligent" and/or highly educated people!
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
FUNdamental
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Date: August 18, 2010 12:46PM
There are no leash laws anywhere in the country for cats. Period. Cats are not dogs, they ussually will not take to a leash. Over the past 30 years every leash law for cats has been struck down. Cats roam and staulk; it is what they do.
There are no collar/tag laws for cats. Collars on cats are dangerous. Dogs don't climb trees, get it?
Cats are not like dogs; get over it.
There are no collar/tag laws for cats. Collars on cats are dangerous. Dogs don't climb trees, get it?
Cats are not like dogs; get over it.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
failure
()
Date: August 18, 2010 01:26PM
cats are more agile
unless its injured or a kitten/fat a dog wouldnt catch it. Cats are too quick for them.
And the difference between you not being able to let your dog loose like cat owners is because whens the last time a cat killed a person?
Thanks for trying
unless its injured or a kitten/fat a dog wouldnt catch it. Cats are too quick for them.
And the difference between you not being able to let your dog loose like cat owners is because whens the last time a cat killed a person?
Thanks for trying
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Cat Piss Perfume
()
Date: August 18, 2010 02:17PM
FUNdamental Wrote:
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> There are no leash laws anywhere in the country
> for cats. Period. Cats are not dogs, they
> ussually will not take to a leash. Over the past
> 30 years every leash law for cats has been struck
> down. Cats roam and staulk; it is what they do.
>
> There are no collar/tag laws for cats. Collars on
> cats are dangerous. Dogs don't climb trees, get
> it?
>
> Cats are not like dogs; get over it.
Yes, but cat owners can keep their cats in the house!!
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> There are no leash laws anywhere in the country
> for cats. Period. Cats are not dogs, they
> ussually will not take to a leash. Over the past
> 30 years every leash law for cats has been struck
> down. Cats roam and staulk; it is what they do.
>
> There are no collar/tag laws for cats. Collars on
> cats are dangerous. Dogs don't climb trees, get
> it?
>
> Cats are not like dogs; get over it.
Yes, but cat owners can keep their cats in the house!!
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Carly
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Date: August 18, 2010 02:20PM
failure Wrote:
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> cats are more agile
> unless its injured or a kitten/fat a dog wouldnt
> catch it. Cats are too quick for them.
>
> And the difference between you not being able to
> let your dog loose like cat owners is because
> whens the last time a cat killed a person?
>
> Thanks for trying
This is an interesting topic. My next door has a cat that's about 30 years old. The thing is about dead and allowed to roam wherever the hell it wants. If I had a dog and he got out of our fenced yard that cat would be dead meat. And I guess the cat owner has no responsibility....it would be the dog owners sin.
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> cats are more agile
> unless its injured or a kitten/fat a dog wouldnt
> catch it. Cats are too quick for them.
>
> And the difference between you not being able to
> let your dog loose like cat owners is because
> whens the last time a cat killed a person?
>
> Thanks for trying
This is an interesting topic. My next door has a cat that's about 30 years old. The thing is about dead and allowed to roam wherever the hell it wants. If I had a dog and he got out of our fenced yard that cat would be dead meat. And I guess the cat owner has no responsibility....it would be the dog owners sin.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
()
Date: August 18, 2010 02:26PM
Cat Piss Perfume Wrote:
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> Yes, but cat owners can keep their cats in the
> house!!
And a responsible owner should. Their cats will live longer, healthier lives and they don't affect the local ecosystem that way.
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> Yes, but cat owners can keep their cats in the
> house!!
And a responsible owner should. Their cats will live longer, healthier lives and they don't affect the local ecosystem that way.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Kitty Splat
()
Date: August 18, 2010 02:35PM
>
> And the difference between you not being able to
> let your dog loose like cat owners is because
> whens the last time a cat killed a person?
>
> Thanks for trying
No, the difference is there are no laws for owners to keep the cats in the house for their own safety and to prevent the spread of their piss everywhere. Moreover, exposure to cat piss has been shown to increase the risk of miscarriage in prego women. Sorry, I don't remember the source. Maybe someone else remembers.
It's really weird to me that people let their cats roam free when they are supposedly a beloved pet. While they are out of the house/yard, they could be run over, killed by a dog or fox, run away, etc. Makes me question whether cat owners really give a crap about their pets when they let them roam free like that.
> And the difference between you not being able to
> let your dog loose like cat owners is because
> whens the last time a cat killed a person?
>
> Thanks for trying
No, the difference is there are no laws for owners to keep the cats in the house for their own safety and to prevent the spread of their piss everywhere. Moreover, exposure to cat piss has been shown to increase the risk of miscarriage in prego women. Sorry, I don't remember the source. Maybe someone else remembers.
It's really weird to me that people let their cats roam free when they are supposedly a beloved pet. While they are out of the house/yard, they could be run over, killed by a dog or fox, run away, etc. Makes me question whether cat owners really give a crap about their pets when they let them roam free like that.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
ITRADE
()
Date: August 18, 2010 02:39PM
In most cases, a open running cat should be able to avoid a dog. Weaker, older, or small cats might not be able to, but most cats should. The advantage for a cat is it can fit into small places or climb - which dogs can't do.
And since cats are hard wired to avoid large animals such as dogs, they're likely to see or sense the dog long before the dog gets within striking distance and will be ready to move quickly.
Where you run into a problem with outdoor cats is with foxes. Foxes are very adept hunters and, unlike most dogs, are smaller in stature and . A fox will not hesitate to take a cat if it is presented with the opportunity - less likely with adult cats, and more likely with kittens.
There are also reports more and more about coyotes which are a REAL threat to cats. Adult cats are easy prey for coyotes.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/18/2010 02:47PM by ITRADE.
And since cats are hard wired to avoid large animals such as dogs, they're likely to see or sense the dog long before the dog gets within striking distance and will be ready to move quickly.
Where you run into a problem with outdoor cats is with foxes. Foxes are very adept hunters and, unlike most dogs, are smaller in stature and . A fox will not hesitate to take a cat if it is presented with the opportunity - less likely with adult cats, and more likely with kittens.
There are also reports more and more about coyotes which are a REAL threat to cats. Adult cats are easy prey for coyotes.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/18/2010 02:47PM by ITRADE.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
()
Date: August 18, 2010 03:22PM
Coyotes are a threat to all pets except possibly large dogs.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
()
Date: August 18, 2010 03:43PM
A true classic.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
FUNdamental
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Date: August 18, 2010 04:32PM
Cat Piss Perfume Wrote:
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There are no leash laws anywhere in the country
> > for cats. Period. Cats are not dogs, they
> > ussually will not take to a leash. Over the
> past
> > 30 years every leash law for cats has been
> struck
> > down. Cats roam and staulk; it is what they
> do.
> >
> > There are no collar/tag laws for cats. Collars
> on
> > cats are dangerous. Dogs don't climb trees,
> get
> > it?
> >
> > Cats are not like dogs; get over it.
>
> Yes, but cat owners can keep their cats in the
> house!!
Actually, TS Elliot said that a cat is never on the right side of a door.
So, your comment had been addressed, and laid to rest, a very long time ago.
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There are no leash laws anywhere in the country
> > for cats. Period. Cats are not dogs, they
> > ussually will not take to a leash. Over the
> past
> > 30 years every leash law for cats has been
> struck
> > down. Cats roam and staulk; it is what they
> do.
> >
> > There are no collar/tag laws for cats. Collars
> on
> > cats are dangerous. Dogs don't climb trees,
> get
> > it?
> >
> > Cats are not like dogs; get over it.
>
> Yes, but cat owners can keep their cats in the
> house!!
Actually, TS Elliot said that a cat is never on the right side of a door.
So, your comment had been addressed, and laid to rest, a very long time ago.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
cracker
()
Date: August 18, 2010 04:54PM
strays don't last long in my neighborhood, as we have Vietnamese families living there. And that's fine by me
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Troll@AOL
()
Date: August 18, 2010 05:47PM
I have noticed the same thing. Those guys really do their part in saving precious taxpayer dollars.
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Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Pissed as Hell
()
Date: August 19, 2010 12:15AM
>
> Actually, TS Elliot said that a cat is never on
> the right side of a door.
>
> So, your comment had been addressed, and laid to
> rest, a very long time ago.
What the fuck are you talking about? The cat is on the right side of the door when he's sitting on his master's fricking lap, so I don't know what the fuck you're yapping poetry about.
The pure nonsense on this forum has got to stop. It's one of many signs that Fairfax is going down the crapper in a big shitty way.
> Actually, TS Elliot said that a cat is never on
> the right side of a door.
>
> So, your comment had been addressed, and laid to
> rest, a very long time ago.
What the fuck are you talking about? The cat is on the right side of the door when he's sitting on his master's fricking lap, so I don't know what the fuck you're yapping poetry about.
The pure nonsense on this forum has got to stop. It's one of many signs that Fairfax is going down the crapper in a big shitty way.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Hatemotor
()
Date: August 19, 2010 12:33AM
I don't know how anyone could love a cat more than a dog,,,
You'd either have to be gay or a communist,,,
or a gay communist
Hopefully certain family members won't see this post,,,,
You'd either have to be gay or a communist,,,
or a gay communist
Hopefully certain family members won't see this post,,,,
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Kitty Splat
()
Date: August 19, 2010 12:47AM
Hatemotor Wrote:
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> I don't know how anyone could love a cat more than
> a dog,,,
>
> You'd either have to be gay or a communist,,,
>
> or a gay communist
>
> Hopefully certain family members won't see this
> post,,,,
Haha....right on, brother. Will someone please explain what these cats do for people? I honestly can't get into this. Is it something to talk to so you can kid yourself it gives a shit about you? Or something to mask some schitzo issues? They do nothing but piss, shit, and run away. And once in a blue moon they can scratch your ass or purr in your lap. I really want to know what Fairfax cat lovers can say about owning cats.
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> I don't know how anyone could love a cat more than
> a dog,,,
>
> You'd either have to be gay or a communist,,,
>
> or a gay communist
>
> Hopefully certain family members won't see this
> post,,,,
Haha....right on, brother. Will someone please explain what these cats do for people? I honestly can't get into this. Is it something to talk to so you can kid yourself it gives a shit about you? Or something to mask some schitzo issues? They do nothing but piss, shit, and run away. And once in a blue moon they can scratch your ass or purr in your lap. I really want to know what Fairfax cat lovers can say about owning cats.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
killemall
()
Date: August 21, 2010 03:51AM
Will have to research if it's Legal to kill a cat that comes onto your property....since they don't wear tags, don't know who they belong to, and sick and tired of them walking all over my car (paw prints in the morning when I go to work)......I've just decided I'll start taking them out....After all...it's my yard, my property...wonder if I'll have to claim "it was coming right for me!"
or perhaps I'll just change the antifreeze in my car and well...let it sit over night
or perhaps I'll just change the antifreeze in my car and well...let it sit over night
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
ThePackLeader
()
Date: August 21, 2010 06:25AM
Jerry's Questions Wrote:
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> I have a horde of cats roaming around my
> neighborhood. Most, if not all, have tags and
> belong to someone in the neighborhood. Is there a
> law against allowing your cat to roam wherever?
> Seems like that's what you would do on the farm,
> but this is the suburbs. The only time it is a
> problem, really, is when dogs in their own yards
> chase and attack the cats. If my dog killed the
> neighbors cat in my yard, am I liable? If my dog
> gets loose from my yard and kills the neighbor's
> cat any place in the neighborhood, am I liable?
You are liable if your dog attacks the cat on the owner's property, and most likely elsewhere. However, if it's within your own property, then I can't imagine how you'd be held liable, so long as you can prove that your dog was completely kept within the confines of your yard. My one neighbor's dog got out a few years back, and killed my other neighbor's cat. The cat wasn't doing anything but laying next to some plants and sunning itself in its own yard, when the dog attacked it and broke its back. The husband/father had to drive it to the vet, with the cat screaming in pain the whole way there (Where they put it to sleep). The victims didn't press charges though, and for some reason the dog wasn't punished (It wasn't even registered as a "Dangerous Dog"). They haven't let the dog get loose since then, though.
Btw, I won't even let my dog attack a squirrel, despite the fact that it drives my JRT nuts. Basically, so long as I feed them, they have no right killing other animals (Unless it's in self-defense). That's my view anyhow.
Here, if you need any proof about "liability" when your dog runs loose:
http://www.virginia.gov/vdacs_dd/public/cgi-bin/public.cgi?sysdogno=194&submit=detail
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> I have a horde of cats roaming around my
> neighborhood. Most, if not all, have tags and
> belong to someone in the neighborhood. Is there a
> law against allowing your cat to roam wherever?
> Seems like that's what you would do on the farm,
> but this is the suburbs. The only time it is a
> problem, really, is when dogs in their own yards
> chase and attack the cats. If my dog killed the
> neighbors cat in my yard, am I liable? If my dog
> gets loose from my yard and kills the neighbor's
> cat any place in the neighborhood, am I liable?
You are liable if your dog attacks the cat on the owner's property, and most likely elsewhere. However, if it's within your own property, then I can't imagine how you'd be held liable, so long as you can prove that your dog was completely kept within the confines of your yard. My one neighbor's dog got out a few years back, and killed my other neighbor's cat. The cat wasn't doing anything but laying next to some plants and sunning itself in its own yard, when the dog attacked it and broke its back. The husband/father had to drive it to the vet, with the cat screaming in pain the whole way there (Where they put it to sleep). The victims didn't press charges though, and for some reason the dog wasn't punished (It wasn't even registered as a "Dangerous Dog"). They haven't let the dog get loose since then, though.
Btw, I won't even let my dog attack a squirrel, despite the fact that it drives my JRT nuts. Basically, so long as I feed them, they have no right killing other animals (Unless it's in self-defense). That's my view anyhow.
Here, if you need any proof about "liability" when your dog runs loose:
http://www.virginia.gov/vdacs_dd/public/cgi-bin/public.cgi?sysdogno=194&submit=detail
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Trial Docket Info:
Acts resulting in the dog being declared dangerous: Attacked and killed a cat while running loose
Docket Number: GC07246301-00
Parties: Lana Cueto
Court: Fairfax County General District Court
Judge: Nordlund
Adjudication Date: 11/30/07
Requirements imposed on owner by judge: All provisions as required by law.
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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
ThePackLeader
()
Date: August 21, 2010 06:29AM
Kitty Splat Wrote:
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> I hate cats. They are really good for nothing but
> killing mice and making your house smell like
> really nasty piss. I just don't get it. Yeah, I
> see how they are cute when they are first born or
> whatever but then it's all downhill. They make
> shitty companions because they're lurkers. They
> don't come to you by name. I guess they will sit
> in your lap and pure, but you can get that shit
> from a stuffed animal. I just don't get it.
My cat comes to me by name when called, so I don't know where you get that idea from. Not only that, but my cat is a freaking attack animal. I had a friend hit me one time when slap boxing, and the cat chased him out of the house. Another time she shredded someones t-shirt when they got in her way. She also hurries to the door, and looks outside when someone is nearby. Basically, my cat is like a dog with really sharp teeth and claws lol.
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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
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> I hate cats. They are really good for nothing but
> killing mice and making your house smell like
> really nasty piss. I just don't get it. Yeah, I
> see how they are cute when they are first born or
> whatever but then it's all downhill. They make
> shitty companions because they're lurkers. They
> don't come to you by name. I guess they will sit
> in your lap and pure, but you can get that shit
> from a stuffed animal. I just don't get it.
My cat comes to me by name when called, so I don't know where you get that idea from. Not only that, but my cat is a freaking attack animal. I had a friend hit me one time when slap boxing, and the cat chased him out of the house. Another time she shredded someones t-shirt when they got in her way. She also hurries to the door, and looks outside when someone is nearby. Basically, my cat is like a dog with really sharp teeth and claws lol.
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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
killemall ur real SMRT!!!!!!!!!!!
()
Date: August 21, 2010 07:47AM
killemall Wrote:
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>
> or perhaps I'll just change the antifreeze in my
> car and well...let it sit over night
dum dum dum dum dum do dat and see if the popo aint all ova ya ass like dem fuckers who was poisoning dogs
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!"
>
> or perhaps I'll just change the antifreeze in my
> car and well...let it sit over night
dum dum dum dum dum do dat and see if the popo aint all ova ya ass like dem fuckers who was poisoning dogs
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
alright
()
Date: August 21, 2010 09:13AM
Kitty Splat Wrote:
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> I hate cats. They are really good for nothing but
> killing mice and making your house smell like
> really nasty piss. I just don't get it. Yeah, I
> see how they are cute when they are first born or
> whatever but then it's all downhill. They make
> shitty companions because they're lurkers. They
> don't come to you by name. I guess they will sit
> in your lap and pure, but you can get that shit
> from a stuffed animal. I just don't get it.
That's not true for every cat. My cat has never gone to the bathroom anywhere but it's box, and my house doesn't smell like "nasty piss" or shit for that matter cause I clean it. He knows his name and comes when called, even when we aren't in the same room. He plays fetch like a dog would. He's really interactive and very friendly towards anyone who comes here. Most cats that are skidish either weren't raised right or they were let outside. When you let a cat outside your bond with the animal changes. The cat will always then love the outdoors more than you... at least in my experience. It's better to keep your cat inside anyway.
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> I hate cats. They are really good for nothing but
> killing mice and making your house smell like
> really nasty piss. I just don't get it. Yeah, I
> see how they are cute when they are first born or
> whatever but then it's all downhill. They make
> shitty companions because they're lurkers. They
> don't come to you by name. I guess they will sit
> in your lap and pure, but you can get that shit
> from a stuffed animal. I just don't get it.
That's not true for every cat. My cat has never gone to the bathroom anywhere but it's box, and my house doesn't smell like "nasty piss" or shit for that matter cause I clean it. He knows his name and comes when called, even when we aren't in the same room. He plays fetch like a dog would. He's really interactive and very friendly towards anyone who comes here. Most cats that are skidish either weren't raised right or they were let outside. When you let a cat outside your bond with the animal changes. The cat will always then love the outdoors more than you... at least in my experience. It's better to keep your cat inside anyway.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Mr.Halstead
()
Date: February 25, 2011 08:52PM
@ kILLEMALL,I totally feel your frustration.I Left my window down in my car today in MY own driveway,and a neighbors cat must have got into my car and pissed in it.Needless to say.I'm highly pissed off.Just spent $13:00 on interior cleaning solution,and it still hasn't helped.When are irresponsible cat owners going to keep these rat bastards in the house.Cats are nasty anyway.They piss on everything,My Neighbors need to tighten up.Or im going to have to handle the problem myself!!!!!
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
dogsmack
()
Date: May 04, 2011 09:12AM
"That's not true for every cat. My cat has never gone to the bathroom anywhere but it's box, and my house doesn't smell like "nasty piss" or shit for that matter cause I clean it. He knows his name and comes when called, even when we aren't in the same room. He plays fetch like a dog would. He's really interactive and very friendly towards anyone who comes here. Most cats that are skidish either weren't raised right or they were let outside. When you let a cat outside your bond with the animal changes. The cat will always then love the outdoors more than you... at least in my experience. It's better to keep your cat inside anyway."
100% true My cat comes by name, and plays fetch just like yours. If theyr are raised to be a companion, they will act very similar to a dog. I even tell my wife our cat is my dog. he even likes his belly, and paws rubbed. If you tak a puppy, and never pay attention to it. it will do the exact same thing. ive had alot of bot cats and dogs, and i can for a fact tell you dogs piss on the floor and stuff ALOT more than a cat. Unless something is wrong with the cat. I know this is an old thread, but I found it in a search. Because someones dog was loose and killed my sons 5 week old kitten last night. I called animal control and they came and got the dog. Took pictures of it, and the kitten. What will happen now ? will I ever hear anything ?
100% true My cat comes by name, and plays fetch just like yours. If theyr are raised to be a companion, they will act very similar to a dog. I even tell my wife our cat is my dog. he even likes his belly, and paws rubbed. If you tak a puppy, and never pay attention to it. it will do the exact same thing. ive had alot of bot cats and dogs, and i can for a fact tell you dogs piss on the floor and stuff ALOT more than a cat. Unless something is wrong with the cat. I know this is an old thread, but I found it in a search. Because someones dog was loose and killed my sons 5 week old kitten last night. I called animal control and they came and got the dog. Took pictures of it, and the kitten. What will happen now ? will I ever hear anything ?
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Shadow
()
Date: May 04, 2011 09:27AM
dogsmack Wrote:
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> "That's not true for every cat. My cat has never
> gone to the bathroom anywhere but it's box, and my
> house doesn't smell like "nasty piss" or shit for
> that matter cause I clean it. He knows his name
> and comes when called, even when we aren't in the
> same room. He plays fetch like a dog would. He's
> really interactive and very friendly towards
> anyone who comes here. Most cats that are skidish
> either weren't raised right or they were let
> outside. When you let a cat outside your bond with
> the animal changes. The cat will always then love
> the outdoors more than you... at least in my
> experience. It's better to keep your cat inside
> anyway."
>
> 100% true My cat comes by name, and plays fetch
> just like yours. If theyr are raised to be a
> companion, they will act very similar to a dog. I
> even tell my wife our cat is my dog. he even likes
> his belly, and paws rubbed. If you tak a puppy,
> and never pay attention to it. it will do the
> exact same thing. ive had alot of bot cats and
> dogs, and i can for a fact tell you dogs piss on
> the floor and stuff ALOT more than a cat. Unless
> something is wrong with the cat. I know this is an
> old thread, but I found it in a search. Because
> someones dog was loose and killed my sons 5 week
> old kitten last night. I called animal control and
> they came and got the dog. Took pictures of it,
> and the kitten. What will happen now ? will I ever
> hear anything ?
Yeah right. Oaky, so 'someone's dog was loose'? Where in your house? Or was your son's five week old kitten OUTSIDE? Since you've already stated cats shouldn't be allowed outside, I have my doubts on the truth of this story.
And are you sure you aren't really a old cat lady?
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> "That's not true for every cat. My cat has never
> gone to the bathroom anywhere but it's box, and my
> house doesn't smell like "nasty piss" or shit for
> that matter cause I clean it. He knows his name
> and comes when called, even when we aren't in the
> same room. He plays fetch like a dog would. He's
> really interactive and very friendly towards
> anyone who comes here. Most cats that are skidish
> either weren't raised right or they were let
> outside. When you let a cat outside your bond with
> the animal changes. The cat will always then love
> the outdoors more than you... at least in my
> experience. It's better to keep your cat inside
> anyway."
>
> 100% true My cat comes by name, and plays fetch
> just like yours. If theyr are raised to be a
> companion, they will act very similar to a dog. I
> even tell my wife our cat is my dog. he even likes
> his belly, and paws rubbed. If you tak a puppy,
> and never pay attention to it. it will do the
> exact same thing. ive had alot of bot cats and
> dogs, and i can for a fact tell you dogs piss on
> the floor and stuff ALOT more than a cat. Unless
> something is wrong with the cat. I know this is an
> old thread, but I found it in a search. Because
> someones dog was loose and killed my sons 5 week
> old kitten last night. I called animal control and
> they came and got the dog. Took pictures of it,
> and the kitten. What will happen now ? will I ever
> hear anything ?
Yeah right. Oaky, so 'someone's dog was loose'? Where in your house? Or was your son's five week old kitten OUTSIDE? Since you've already stated cats shouldn't be allowed outside, I have my doubts on the truth of this story.
And are you sure you aren't really a old cat lady?
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Ming Ling Ting Ting
()
Date: May 04, 2011 11:47AM
You craw us, you craw us now. We take care of cat probrum. We numba one.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Ut videam
()
Date: May 04, 2011 11:52AM
Ming Ling Ting Ting Wrote:
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> You craw us, you craw us now. We take care of cat
> probrum. We numba one.
Holy shit, that's hilarious—and original, too! Comedy gold right there!
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> You craw us, you craw us now. We take care of cat
> probrum. We numba one.
Holy shit, that's hilarious—and original, too! Comedy gold right there!
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
UT vidiot
()
Date: May 04, 2011 01:37PM
Put up some posters in Annandale complaining about stray cats...in both English and Korean. Be sure to provide addresses and if necessary bus route information.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
die feral cats
()
Date: May 04, 2011 01:56PM
Trap + take to a shelter on the opposite end of the county. The "owners" or old people who feed ferals, but refer to the ferals as "pets" will never find them. And the problems will be executed within a couple of weeks.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
tired of cats
()
Date: August 31, 2012 12:06AM
Dear FUNdamental:
do not say "get over it ". I have spent THOUSANDS of dollars for my yard to be a nice view for myself and my neighbors. To have a cat kill the bids that feed in my bird feeders and to have the same cats use my yard for a litter box is W R O N G !!!
My vet has told me A L L cats need to be in the house!!! If the owners of these cats will not keep them in their house or on their property; I have no choice but to trap them and turn them in to the human society.
The owners are then responsible for finding their cats and the charges that are due.
IF the owners do not pay the charges, then they did not deserve to have the cat in the first place and the cat will hopefully be placed in another home.
do not say "get over it ". I have spent THOUSANDS of dollars for my yard to be a nice view for myself and my neighbors. To have a cat kill the bids that feed in my bird feeders and to have the same cats use my yard for a litter box is W R O N G !!!
My vet has told me A L L cats need to be in the house!!! If the owners of these cats will not keep them in their house or on their property; I have no choice but to trap them and turn them in to the human society.
The owners are then responsible for finding their cats and the charges that are due.
IF the owners do not pay the charges, then they did not deserve to have the cat in the first place and the cat will hopefully be placed in another home.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
TheNorthman
()
Date: September 01, 2012 12:44PM
open sesame
I have you now.
I have you now.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Morris
()
Date: September 01, 2012 01:57PM
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Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Dear Self-Righteous Prick
()
Date: September 01, 2012 05:10PM
tired of cats Wrote:
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> Dear FUNdamental:
>
> do not say "get over it ". I have spent
> THOUSANDS of dollars for my yard to be a nice view for myself and my neighbors. To have a cat kill
> the bids that feed in my bird feeders and to have
> the same cats use my yard for a litter box is W R
> O N G !!!
>
> My vet has told me A L L cats need to be in the
> house!!! If the owners of these cats will not
> keep them in their house or on their property; I
> have no choice but to trap them and turn them in
> to the human society.
> The owners are then responsible for finding
> their cats and the charges that are due.
>
> IF the owners do not pay the charges, then
> they did not deserve to have the cat in the first
> place and the cat will hopefully be placed in
> another home.
Who cares if you spent 'THOUSANDS of dollars for my yard to be a nice view for myself and my neighbors'? I bet don't you don't give a damn about 'the bids (sic) that feed in my bird feeders' - you just like the bucolic ambiance they give to your yard.
I have one indoor cat and one outdoor cat. The indoor cat is grossly overweight and would desperately love to go outdoors. The outdoor cat is 16 years old, lean and healthy. He loves being outdoors. Vets don't consider the mental health of a cat when they say that all cats should be inside. Yes, they'll be safer - but they will probably be fat, lethargic, and unhappy.
'I have no choice but to trap them and turn them in to the human (sic) society.' Bullshit. You're not doing this to be humane - you're doing it as revenge. At least be honest with yourself. And you've obviously done this more than once. Hell, you probably stand patrol outside to catch the cats. I hope someone whose cat has been euthanized as a result of your irresponsible behavior sues you.
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> Dear FUNdamental:
>
> do not say "get over it ". I have spent
> THOUSANDS of dollars for my yard to be a nice view for myself and my neighbors. To have a cat kill
> the bids that feed in my bird feeders and to have
> the same cats use my yard for a litter box is W R
> O N G !!!
>
> My vet has told me A L L cats need to be in the
> house!!! If the owners of these cats will not
> keep them in their house or on their property; I
> have no choice but to trap them and turn them in
> to the human society.
> The owners are then responsible for finding
> their cats and the charges that are due.
>
> IF the owners do not pay the charges, then
> they did not deserve to have the cat in the first
> place and the cat will hopefully be placed in
> another home.
Who cares if you spent 'THOUSANDS of dollars for my yard to be a nice view for myself and my neighbors'? I bet don't you don't give a damn about 'the bids (sic) that feed in my bird feeders' - you just like the bucolic ambiance they give to your yard.
I have one indoor cat and one outdoor cat. The indoor cat is grossly overweight and would desperately love to go outdoors. The outdoor cat is 16 years old, lean and healthy. He loves being outdoors. Vets don't consider the mental health of a cat when they say that all cats should be inside. Yes, they'll be safer - but they will probably be fat, lethargic, and unhappy.
'I have no choice but to trap them and turn them in to the human (sic) society.' Bullshit. You're not doing this to be humane - you're doing it as revenge. At least be honest with yourself. And you've obviously done this more than once. Hell, you probably stand patrol outside to catch the cats. I hope someone whose cat has been euthanized as a result of your irresponsible behavior sues you.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Atom
()
Date: September 01, 2012 05:22PM
Put traps on your property.
Catch your neighbors cats and declaw them. Cats are the number one most dangerous invasive species. They kill a million times more birds than the pythons in the glades.
Cat owners who let their animals roam the neighborhood might as well be throwing their raw sewage all over the place.
Cats are bad for the environment. Unless Declawed and fixed.
Catch your neighbors cats and declaw them. Cats are the number one most dangerous invasive species. They kill a million times more birds than the pythons in the glades.
Cat owners who let their animals roam the neighborhood might as well be throwing their raw sewage all over the place.
Cats are bad for the environment. Unless Declawed and fixed.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Mrs. Halsteady
()
Date: September 10, 2012 10:21PM
I hate cats and have never understood the interest in them. They have evil eyes and stalk. Wow. That's some kind of fun.
Question to all these cat lovers....do they also like the smell of cat urine? Does the lady who has 10 cats in the home realize she smells like cat piss when she goes to church? I think there is some kind of weird pee fetish with these cat lovers. Also, I have never been in a home that has a cat that DOESN'T smell like cat whizz unless they just got the damn oversized rodent.
Question to all these cat lovers....do they also like the smell of cat urine? Does the lady who has 10 cats in the home realize she smells like cat piss when she goes to church? I think there is some kind of weird pee fetish with these cat lovers. Also, I have never been in a home that has a cat that DOESN'T smell like cat whizz unless they just got the damn oversized rodent.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
STARDUST
()
Date: September 10, 2012 10:27PM
MY CAT "PUPPY LOVE" WOULD MELT YOUR HEART, SOURPUSS! AND NO, I DON"T LIKE THE SMELL OF CAT PEE PEE. DO YOU LIKE THE TASTE OF DOG POO? WHAT A RIDICULOUS QUESTION. MY PARTNER LOVES MY CAT SO VERY MUCH EVEN THOUGH HE HAS A CAT ALLERGY. NOW THAT IS CAT LOVE, BITCH.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Mrs. Halsteady
()
Date: September 10, 2012 10:35PM
Stardust, I can smell your cat's piss from here.
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
STARDUST
()
Date: September 10, 2012 10:50PM
YOU CHOSE TO EJACULATE YOUR HORRIBLE COMMENTS INTO THIS MESSAGE BOARD. CATS ARE INNOCENT, BEAUTIFUL CREATURES. THEY GIVE THE WORLD NOTHING BUT COMFORT AND LOVE. YOU ARE THE ONE WITH EVIL EYES, BITCH.
I HAVE HAD MANY CATS IN MY LIFE AND THEY HAVE ALL BEEN PRECIOUS FAMILY MEMBERS. YOU ARE A SAD PERSON AND PROBABLY A REPUBLICAN WHO WANTS TO TAKE AWAY ALL WOMAN'S HEALTH CARE AND GAY PRIDE.
IN MEMORY OF MY FAMILY
DARLENE (1998-2010)
SWEET JASON ROBARD (1987-2002)
VELVEETYA (1988-1990, KILLED BY WILD RACCOON)
EMERALD EYES (2001- )
DAVY (1972-1988)
AND HARRY JINGLES, MY FIRST CAT (1969-1980)
I HAVE HAD MANY CATS IN MY LIFE AND THEY HAVE ALL BEEN PRECIOUS FAMILY MEMBERS. YOU ARE A SAD PERSON AND PROBABLY A REPUBLICAN WHO WANTS TO TAKE AWAY ALL WOMAN'S HEALTH CARE AND GAY PRIDE.
IN MEMORY OF MY FAMILY
DARLENE (1998-2010)
SWEET JASON ROBARD (1987-2002)
VELVEETYA (1988-1990, KILLED BY WILD RACCOON)
EMERALD EYES (2001- )
DAVY (1972-1988)
AND HARRY JINGLES, MY FIRST CAT (1969-1980)
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
STARDUST
()
Date: September 10, 2012 10:54PM
IF ANY CARE, EMERALD DISAPPEARED FROM OUR GARDEN APARTMENT ONE DAY. I LIKE TO THINK OF HIM AS STILL ALIVE EATING TUNA FROM A CAN AND STILL GLOWING WITH LOVE!
Re: Cats in My Neighborhood
Posted by:
Fleeg
()
Date: September 11, 2012 07:15AM
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