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another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: GMU Hokie ()
Date: July 20, 2010 06:34PM

One must wonder if Michael Promisel is related to Wayne Promisel, the notorious detective obsessed with sex offenders.

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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/fairfax/laser-aimed-at-fairfax-police.html

Laser aimed at police helicopter--again

A Fairfax police helicopter returning to its base Thursday was hit by a laser flash, temporarily blinding crew members, police said, and leading to the second felony arrest since February for interfering with a flight.

Michael E. Promisel, 18, of the 8900 block of Glenbrook Road, was charged after officers on the ground were called to search for the source of the laser allegedly aimed at the helicopter as it passed over Mantua Elementary School on Horner Court shortly before midnight July 15, police said.

Promisel is charged with interfering with the operation of an aircraft and endangering the life of the aircraft’s operators, a felony under Virginia law.

Chuck Angle, a civilian pilot for 12 years with the Fairfax department, said the crew was about 1,400 feet up and returning to its base close to Fair Oaks Mall after helping in a search for a robbery suspect near Mount Vernon when the laser hit the cockpit. The green light hit the flight officer beside him in a flash that "is like being hit with a hammer when you get it in the eyes," said Angle, who said he was hit by a laser two years ago flying near Dulles.

The flight path by the school, Angle said, is one also used by medical helicopter crews flying in that area and Angle said he called the air traffic tower at Dulles International Airport to warn other pilots of the hazard.

The crew trained its infrared cameras on a group on the ground that its third crew member saw and tracked them as they drove away from the school, relaying information to patrol officers who investigated and made the arrest.

"Helicopters are very unstable, so you interfere with that flight or the pilot and it's not like a plane that can keep holding the course," said Angle. "It's not a prank."

A grand jury set for August will determine whether 47-year-old Raymond J. Poli of Springfield should stand trial for allegedly aiming a green laser at a crew that passed over his house in late February. Poli's attorney has said his client brought out a flashlight, then turned to a green laser to try to see through pre-dawn fog to determine whose helicopter was overhead.

The laser cases are unusual but not a rarity. Pilots told the Federal Aviation Administration of about 1,476 incidents of lasers flashed into their aircraft during 2009, with 20 of those in Virginia and 13 in Maryland, federal records show. The number has risen steadily in the past five years from the 283 reported to the FAA nationwide in 2005 (with 3 three in Virginia and two in Maryland).

Nationwide, prosecutions have increased for lasers aimed at aircraft and resulted in some recent prison terms in California and Arizona.



--Mary Pat Flaherty

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: July 20, 2010 06:37PM

solution: do not operate the helicopter

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: July 20, 2010 06:46PM

Bonus : not operating the helicopter saves the taxpayers money.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Clobbersaurus ()
Date: July 20, 2010 07:05PM

Solution: Add laser tracking missiles to police helicopter.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: choppas ()
Date: July 20, 2010 07:06PM

Troll@AOL Wrote:
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> Bonus : not operating the helicopter saves the
> taxpayers money.


It probably cost $2500 (and a laser shot) for the excursion to Mt. Vernon. I wonder if they got anything?

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: sgt hulka ()
Date: July 20, 2010 08:07PM

KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> solution: do not operate the helicopter

Solution, install mini door gun...

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: July 20, 2010 10:14PM

Clobbersaurus Wrote:
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> Solution: Add laser tracking missiles to police
> helicopter.


+1, I like your way of thinking.




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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: bobbobbob ()
Date: July 20, 2010 10:37PM

honestly, who can aim a laser pointer into the cockpit of a helicopter from 1400 feet away at night? Its very tough to do so unless you're trained. Plus, if this dude was doing it on purpose, why would he be at an elementary school? Seems like an accident to me

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: priapus ()
Date: July 21, 2010 06:07AM

What would happen if you pointed a laser at a radar gun or a speed camera?

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Clobbersaurus ()
Date: July 21, 2010 07:32AM

priapus Wrote:
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> What would happen if you pointed a laser at a
> radar gun or a speed camera?


Probably nothing to a Radar gun since Radar operates on radio waves. Makes me wonder if it would mess up a LIDAR gun but from what I seen of cops using LIDAR, you'd be shooting the laser into the cop's face which I'm pretty sure is illegal.

Speed camera? Possibly, but I guess it depends on how bright the laser is.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Liz ()
Date: August 04, 2010 02:18AM

I'm almost positive that Michael Promisel is not connected to the sex offender. Also, he definitely was not doing it on purpose to distract the helicopter operators. He is definitely not trained and as bob pointed it out, he was at an elementary school! He was clearly unaware of the dangers at hand, and I believe he should be left with a slap on the wrists and a hefty fine if people insist.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 04, 2010 02:34AM

Agreed, slap on the wrist it is.
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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 04, 2010 04:34AM

Liz Wrote:
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> he definitely was not doing it on purpose to distract
> the helicopter operators. He is definitely not trained
> and as bob pointed it out, he was at an elementary
> school! He was clearly unaware of the dangers at
> hand, and I believe he should be left with a slap
> on the wrists and a hefty fine if people insist.


whoa there buck-o. you forget who you are dealing with. this is nova, where no good deed, accident or traffic violation goes unpunished. sounds like this hardcore criminal needs some hard time. maybe the next time he'll consider smashing in windows and stealing GPS units like the rest of the free criminals.


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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: turdboat ()
Date: August 04, 2010 07:01PM

blinded the whole flicht crew .yeah right

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 04, 2010 07:23PM

Well if the entire flight crew are all wearing night vision goggles, and they all looked in the direction of the laser beam, then they would all be blinded mechanically. As in; because of the extreme brightness the goggles take time to adjust, kinda like when your eyes see a spot from looking at the sun too long.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 04, 2010 07:23PM

So yeah, right.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: dylan ()
Date: August 08, 2010 12:34PM

this is such crap! I know mike he has been my tutor and in no way tried to "blind" officers. He is honestly an angel, Mike has done nothing wrong with the law ask any person who knows him.The only negative comments ive ever heard of him were that he was either too nice or too perfect. Mike is the smartest most well rounded kid i know, just because some helicopter pilot saw a green flash for half a second doesnt mean they should put a soon to be ivy league college kid in jail.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 08, 2010 12:52PM

Tell your 'Angel' that never did anything wrong, I said "enjoy the pokie".

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 08, 2010 01:10PM

I wonder of Michael" is aka "miguel"....lol...look behind you..there's a Mexican!

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Rawr2345 ()
Date: August 09, 2010 03:40PM

Haha wow, Mike Promisel was the valedictorian of our high school class at woodson, graduated with above a 4.00 gpa, and is expected to go to UVA for this upcoming school year. This is one of the nicest guys I have ever met, and I cant believe the cops would flip a shit over something like this. I mean come on, its a laser pointer.... I've spent years shining those at teachers in school, and it hardly even bothers them, besides being a nuisance

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 09, 2010 03:45PM

>'besides being a nuisance'

your idiotic post was a nuisance.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 09, 2010 04:22PM

yeah, yeah. he's a great guy and all but you are missing the point.


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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: AJ ()
Date: August 09, 2010 11:48PM

Well, since this is Fairfax County, he will most likely go to jail, go into bankruptcy paying court fines, and be left with such a criminal record so bad he'll work at Wal-Mart for the rest of his life. Welcome to Fairfax!

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 10, 2010 12:14AM

Well, as we always say here on FFxU;

If your gonna be STUPID, ya better be TOUGH!


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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: August 10, 2010 02:05AM

bobbobbob Wrote:
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> honestly, who can aim a laser pointer into the
> cockpit of a helicopter from 1400 feet away at
> night? Its very tough to do so unless you're
> trained. Plus, if this dude was doing it on
> purpose, why would he be at an elementary school?
> Seems like an accident to me


It's not that difficult. I can signal the chopper from my flashlight 1000-2000 feet below, and with a laser pointer I could easily light-up the interior.

Also, laser pointers have tracked airplanes into Dulles and other places numerous times over the years. On those occasions though, someone had to have been using a motorized tracking system to do it, which is rather disturbing.

Btw, this "Kid's" excuse sucks beyond belief. He's lying.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: WOW ()
Date: August 10, 2010 11:08AM

This is absolutely insane. I just graduated with this kid from Woodson High a few months back. Kid has over a 4.0, going to UVA, was our keynote speaker at our grad, funny, athletic, overall well-rounded guy. I didn't find out about this (despite it being 3 weeks old) until I saw it here. It's shocking. I've known him since we were in 2nd grade together at Mantua Elementary. When I saw his mugshot, I was absolutely in shock. It seems like something a 8 year old could do just playing around with some friends, but it happened to be a 18 year old and now he's got a felony, an arrest, and been to jail. "Wow", is all I have to say. I hope it doesn't affect his UVA stuff, but I have no idea.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 10, 2010 03:41PM

the moral of the story is to use blue lasers, not green.


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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Bill ()
Date: August 10, 2010 04:43PM

There are some things that don't add up here. First why is a kid from Mantua hanging out near the elementary school at night with a laser?

Second, 1400 feet-REALLY??? My neighborhood lies under another flight path, and they are flying alot lower than that over us. Only some of the military helicopters fly anywhere near that high. At 1400 feet if you were off by less than 1 degree, front to back, you'd miss the helicopter entirely. Managing to hit the pilot or flight officer of a moving copter at 1400 feet would require a great deal of luck, skill or both. And at that height how would you know if you managed to hit the copter without some other equipment.

So some kid from Mantua has nothing better to do than to take a laser to a known helicopter flight path and try to tag helicopters flying so high he wouldn't know if he hit them?

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 10, 2010 05:44PM

He obviously knew he was hitting them or he would have found something else better to do. Also they were able to find the location of a dot of light no bigger than the tip of a ball point pen, so obviously he kept on pointing it at the aircraft.

What a dork.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 13, 2010 11:24AM

Bill Wrote:
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> Second, 1400 feet-REALLY??? My neighborhood lies
> under another flight path, and they are flying
> alot lower than that over us. Only some of the
> military helicopters fly anywhere near that high.
> At 1400 feet if you were off by less than 1
> degree, front to back, you'd miss the helicopter
> entirely. Managing to hit the pilot or flight
> officer of a moving copter at 1400 feet would
> require a great deal of luck, skill or both. And
> at that height how would you know if you managed
> to hit the copter without some other equipment.


the law has little to do with logic


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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Guard2010 ()
Date: August 16, 2010 03:25AM

Rawr2345 Wrote:
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> Haha wow, Mike Promisel was the valedictorian of
> our high school class at woodson, graduated with
> above a 4.00 gpa, and is expected to go to UVA for
> this upcoming school year. This is one of the
> nicest guys I have ever met, and I cant believe
> the cops would flip a shit over something like
> this. I mean come on, its a laser pointer.... I've
> spent years shining those at teachers in school,
> and it hardly even bothers them, besides being a
> nuisance

Mike is one of the best people I know. I just graduated with him. Yeah what he did was wrong, however obviously he did not mean to do harm and no harm was really done so I don't think he should be locked up right with his future ahead of him. Just give him a shit load of community service and a fine.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 16, 2010 03:55AM

Well maybe, but why is it 'obvious' to YOU that he meant 'NO HARM'? Because to me, you have to take into account that when someone is shining a high power laser light at any flying aircraft, it is just natural to assume that the person is deliberately trying to cause the crew to get into an accident and cause a crash. Especially since he happened to be using a GREEN laser, which is much more powerful than the red ones. Unfortunately your friend gets no sympathy, except for being born an idiot. Did someone say he was a valadicktourean or something? WTF? This just goes to show that you can be a fucking well taught bookworm nerd fucker, and still be a complete asswit moron.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Guard2010 ()
Date: August 16, 2010 10:52PM

Rawr2345 Wrote:
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> Haha wow, Mike Promisel was the valedictorian of
> our high school class at woodson, graduated with
> above a 4.00 gpa, and is expected to go to UVA for
> this upcoming school year. This is one of the
> nicest guys I have ever met, and I cant believe
> the cops would flip a shit over something like
> this. I mean come on, its a laser pointer.... I've
> spent years shining those at teachers in school,
> and it hardly even bothers them, besides being a
> nuisance

Okay well did you read the second part of my comment. He has his whole life ahead of him. Throwing him in jail is wasting time and money on a failed system. He needs to learn his lesson however jail will do more harm than good.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: this is crazy ()
Date: August 21, 2010 12:17AM

Honestly, i worked with mike for hours and hours on a giant fundraiser at our school to save money for haiti. he gave up his lunch for 2 months and a ton of time outside of school. Hes going to change the world some day, he didn't mean to harm anyone.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 21, 2010 01:23AM

Is he going to point a green laser @ the world to change it?

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: James ()
Date: August 28, 2010 06:11AM

Those of you who think we should ground the helicopter would be the same people complaining when we can't air lift you or someone from an accident or find a lost kid who wondered away from home. The helicopters make relatively low noise and if you would like I would be happy to suggest a noisy Cessna 172 to fly over our houses.

The helicopters provide a life saving resource of on demand services. With a jerk who shines a laser pointer in the eyes of the crew (I believe is a felony - Endangering the life of a crew) is just shooting him/her-self in the foot. These crews are wearing night vision systems that allow them to see suspects, people, accidents, fires etc. When you shine a light in that it can paralyze the person for up to 30 mins of vision. What can happen in 10 seconds could be fatal to the crew.

According to the radios at IAD there is someone pointing the lights at aircraft landing at IAD. My suggestion.... STOP before you are found and put on a list that you don't want to be on.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: James-is-wrong ()
Date: August 28, 2010 04:28PM

30 minutes of blinding a person?

I call BS!

I am certain night vision gear has protection from over driving the outputs to the user's eyes.

stop spreading miss-information!

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 28, 2010 08:48PM

'James-is-wrong' is wrong.

Who said '30 min'?

Stop being a 'miss-informationist'-idiot.



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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 28, 2010 08:56PM

>"I am certain night vision gear has protection from over driving the outputs to the user's eyes."

There is no such anti-'over driving' protection. For starters the term just sounds stupid to me. I am sure the night-vision headunit displays an actual digital reproduction of the information it takes in.
It's not a fucking LCD self-darkening welder's mask you bumbling buffoon.



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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: James ()
Date: August 29, 2010 01:49AM

Really, why don't you go fly a plane at night and lets shine a light in your eyes.... lets see how you do.

Or would you like to just hide behind your keyboard? Thats why I thought, log off.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: James (is right) ()
Date: August 29, 2010 01:52AM

Do you homework before you say someone is wrong.

"Flash Blindness

While dark adaptation of the rods develops rather slowly over a period of 20 to 30 minutes, it can be lost in a few seconds of exposure to bright light. Accordingly, during night operations aircrew members should be taught to avoid bright lights, or, at least, protect one eye."

http://aoa.org/x5352.xml

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: wrong-still ()
Date: August 29, 2010 02:40AM

6. Can a Night Vision device and/or Infrared Illuminator be harmful?
Night Vision technology is absolutely harmless. It does not emit any type of radiation nor will it blind you if a bright light hits it while in use. Most likely it will damage the device. Night vision is no more dangerous or harmful than watching TV. Diode (LED) based IR Illuminators are also harmless. Laser based illuminators on the other hand, CAN be harmful to your eyes. If you have a laser based IR use it with caution. Laser based IRs seldom appear on the consumer market.

The original incorrect phrase was:
"When you shine a light in that it can paralyze the person for up to 30 mins of vision"

Night Vision goggles use avalanche diodes to amplify low levels of light and transduce them onto an LCD screen. There are AGC (automatic Gain Controls) and limiters in the circuitry to prevent damage to the devices and obviously prevent damage to the user's eyes.

Blinding is a loose term. Yes, the user won't be able to see shit because what they are looking at will be saturated, but it won't cause them to go blind.

It may very well take them a few seconds to get their eyes adjusted to see in low light without the night vision afterwards.

My guess is the second a laser hits the pilots night vision goggled eye (single eye), he quickly closes his eye, and removes the goggle. Kind of like glancing at a bright set of on coming headlights in the night.

so all of you can suck it!

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 29, 2010 03:23AM

And does that temporary inability to use night vision
ENDANGER the PILOT and EVERYONE on the ground?

YES.

When they are forced to remove the goggles due to
incapacitation, are the flight crew's eyes exposed to
the posibilty of FLASH BLINDNESS due to the
EXTREME brightness of lasers?

YES.

So why don't you have your mother
do her job, and SUCK IT for us!



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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: James (is STILL right) ()
Date: August 29, 2010 11:03AM

Okay, now we do not need to get mean or nasty with this, I am simply trying to explain to the public that this a harmful act.

And if you aren't a pilot you really have no reason calling pilots wrong since we have gone throught training, practical, written tests many TEACH this.

So! When a pilot is getting ready for a night ops flight, he/she will not be in or around a large amount of lights. When driving to the airport a pilot is trained to protect atleast 1 eye if a car is using high beams (this could mean, sqwint or cover it with a hand). Once you get to a terminal the planning rooms are not typically bright, if they are turn down a light. The parts of your eyes (Rods and Cones) take a UPWARDS of 30 minutes to adjust from day (light) to night (dark) vision. So the time that we spend preflighting or working on flight plans allow for the eyes to adjust.

When someone shines a laser. flashlight, landing light (the reason other planes don't run them head one) or other lighted objects, at ones eys cause the eye to QUICKLY adjust back to DAY (LIGHT) then resulting in another 30 (upwards) minutes for ones eyes to adjust BACK to NIGHT (DARK).

My best suggestion since you don't want to listen to "Troll" or myself, the next time you are around the airport terminal and see a crew in a starbucks line or something, TALK to them... ask them about it, you will be surprised that they enjoy educating and teaching.

We all do it because we like the career, not because its a "job".

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 30, 2010 05:45AM

James (is STILL right) Wrote:
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> Okay, now we do not need to get mean or nasty with
> this, I am simply trying to explain to the public
> that this a harmful act.
>
> So! When a pilot is getting ready for a night ops
> flight, he/she will not be in or around a large
> amount of lights.


cant one just fly using instruments only? if there is really poor/no visibility, you can still fly.


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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 30, 2010 08:25AM

If you already were forced to remove your goggles and then your eyes were to get flashblinded by the laser, you might not even be able to see your instrument cluster for an undetermined amount of time.

What they need to do is install laser guided missles on the chopper.
That will surely end the problem, and any confusion.


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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: BIG BAD WOLF ()
Date: August 30, 2010 11:51PM

HUFF AND PUFF,AND BLOOOOOW THOSE piggies the hell out of your airspace...in many locales,pork choppers have to maintain at least a 500 ft hard deck...along with other craft piloted by decent humans as well..get used to one thing,folks...the only people that matter down there,are the many gov. incompetents that work and live in the area;especially the senators,congressmen,etc....everyone else in the area is just a number,and an inmate waitng to occur...

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 31, 2010 12:12AM

Yeah yeah, point your Big Bad Laser up your ass and set it to stun.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: BIG BAD WOLF ()
Date: August 31, 2010 12:24AM

TROLL-I HAVE READ MANY POSTS FROM YOU HERE.i see a trend..you are obiously a no good,bootlicking squealer yourself,that much is obvious.try removing the badge,and re-inserting your fucking brain.the two do not have to be mutually exclusive,but unfortunately,for so very many pigs,they do in fact seem to be...ADDENDUM TO ORIGINAL POST-Anyone having trouble with fly-overs,videotape the offending aircraft,and be sure to get the numbers off of said craft..when videotaping,also be sure to include objects in frame that can be used to gauge the altitude at which the craft is flying.pigs fly below mandatory hard deck all the time,with no regard to citizens living below...stop them.file complaints with police,as well as aviation officials.YOU CAN MAKE THEM STOP IF THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW.and when contacting pigs,make sure you get the officers name who your complaint is filed with.as he will likely do nothing,and you can then get his ass in a sling as well for being another shitbag who helps fellow porkers live above the law.take a stand people...

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: NVG flyer ()
Date: August 31, 2010 12:31AM

If you've never worn nvg's how would any of you know the possible effects. I've flown over 500 hours on nvg's and can tell you that being spot lighted with a laser or flash light is little more than a nuisance, flying unaided our at low level though makes it much worse.

The nvg's (gen 4 most likely) adjust the gain automatically depending on the light level and the being blinded idea is a hollywood myth. You can sit in a dark room and crank on the lights with no problems at all. Due to the design of nvg's the laser can not shine directly into the eye unless it goes around the goggles and even it did it would be far from sledge hammer effect described. They are well outside of the nominal ocular hazard distance and would not suffer any long term damage. If they were at the altitude they claim it is moderate on the chart...can cause glare and difficulty seeing out the window.

www.pangolin.com/faa/images/table_laser-pointer-only.gif

Not saying he didn't do anything wrong, I think he's an idiot but lets not be so dramatic.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 31, 2010 01:10AM

Big Bad Wolf wrote:

>"i see a trend..you are obiously a
no good, bootlicking squealer yourself,
that much is obvious."

I'm no 'squealer', but your mother is.
And for the right size rock, she will
lick shit off your boot.


>"Anyone having trouble with fly-overs,
videotape the offending aircraft,and be
sure to get the numbers off of said craft..
when videotaping,also be sure to include
objects in frame that can be used to gauge
the altitude at which the craft is flying"

YOU sound like such a douchebag faggot here,
and you call me a squealer?
You know what, if you were in my cell you would
be washing my tighty-whiteys in the toilet twice (2x) a day.
Either that or they would call YOU the 'squealer'.



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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 31, 2010 01:20AM

NVG flyer wrote:
>"They are well outside of the nominal ocular
hazard distance and would not suffer any long
term damage"

Nobody is talking about long term damage asshole,
we are discussing TEMPORARY LOSS OF YOUR ABILITY
TO SEE IF YOU WERE FORCED TO REMOVE YOUR
NIGHT VISION GOGGLES.
And NO you fucking twit, they are not "well outside
the nominal ocular hazard distance" you fucking bozo.
Why use werds like 'nominal' when you have absolutely
no grasp or concept of how to properly use them?
Just makes you look like a dummy.

Lastly dim-weasel, a green laser is capable of putting a
dot on the moon visible from earth, so don't tell me that
they are too far away to have an extremely bad effect,
you nominal dumbfuck.

So STFU NVG bullshitter.




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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@is-a-nutlicker.com ()
Date: August 31, 2010 07:15AM

Troll@AOL wrote:

Nobody is talking about long term damage asshole,
we are discussing TEMPORARY LOSS OF YOUR ABILITY
TO SEE IF YOU WERE FORCED TO REMOVE YOUR
NIGHT VISION GOGGLES.
And NO you fucking twit, they are not "well outside
the nominal ocular hazard distance" you fucking bozo.
Why use werds like 'nominal' when you have absolutely
no grasp or concept of how to properly use them?
Just makes you look like a dummy.

Lastly dim-weasel, a green laser is capable of putting a
dot on the moon visible from earth, so don't tell me that
they are too far away to have an extremely bad effect,
you nominal dumbfuck.

So STFU NVG bullshitter.

Troll,
I have direct experience with the issue and you are talking out your ass.
And your hollywood mindset of having to remove your googles is a joke. Stoping being a FFXPD fanboy! And I'll use "werds" like nominal ocular hazard distance because this is the correct term that is used to discuss safe distances.

Def. Nominal Ocular Hazard Distance (NOHD):“The distance along the axis of the unobstructed beam from a laser to the human eye beyond which the irradiance or radiant exposure during operation is not expected to exceed the appropriate MPE (Maximum Permissible Exposure); that is, the safe distance from the laser.â€

https://safety.army.mil/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=CQKQrwWt0mo%3D&tabid=652

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 31, 2010 10:06AM

They http://www.safety.army.mil are refering to the distance where RADIATION
from the laser could cause permanent eye damage.


By the way jackass,
'Nominal' refers to an amount.

YOU said they are 'outside the NOMINAL ocular hazard distance.'
Essentially you were using a phrase you saw before but really
were too dumb to understand.

HOW could you know what DISTANCE or 'amount' of feet
these people were from the laser, were you the one
pointing the laser at at them?

http://www.YOUAREaDUMBASS.com

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: 2nd grade reading comprehension ()
Date: August 31, 2010 11:07AM

Chuck Angle, a civilian pilot for 12 years with the Fairfax department, said the crew was about 1,400 feet up

So even if they were directly above the laser dead eye it would be greater than the NOHD. The slant range would be even greater.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 31, 2010 11:30AM

Yeah, I already mentioned your reading comprehension, but
I wouldn't have went as far as to give you 2nd grade,
more like Kindergarten. But what ever you say.

***Again, NOHD refers to the distance for PERMANENT DAMAGE
to the human eye, as a result of laser RADIATION.***


A flash from a device powerful enough to put a dot on the
moon can momentarily FLASH BLIND ANYONE @ ANY DISTANCE
while flying an aircraft, you bumbling fuckwit.


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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: LastPost ()
Date: August 31, 2010 12:49PM

You really do know it all!

1200ft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Runway_glare_anim.gif

Far from being hit in the head with a hammer type of blinding.

350ft, definitely worse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Runway_flashblindness_anim.gif

Lets see you put a dot on the moon with a 5mv or less green pointer available to the public. I've show multiple documents supporting, yours seem to come from you infinite personal wisdom which I'm not impressed by. Dumb squealer

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 31, 2010 04:58PM

>"Dumb squealer."
I see, you must have a guilty conscience left over from
ratting someone out to the Feds.
INDEED, not impressed.


Oh and 'dot on the moon'?

I could do it with a high quality RED laser, asswipe.
Now of course you might have considerable beam spread, but
it can be done.



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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: james obviously is still wrong ()
Date: August 31, 2010 11:17PM

I tried to tell them. But they aren't pilots or scientists..

I was an engineer working for a certain company that is based in roanoke, va (one of the biggest NVG) manufacturers around (see if you can figure out who).

Of course I was told on this board that I was being a tough guy on my keyboard and to log off because I was stupid.

Funny thing is, when people disagree with me, I don't instantly think it's time to 'fight' and call people tough guy, etc.

I think tough guy's don't get riled up when their ideas are challenged.

Anyway, if it's so Fing easy to blind helicopter pilots with lasers why have none of them crashed yet? And why isn't the Taliban blinding our troops with lasers and killing them off? Why doesn't the taliban just surround it's towns with disco balls covered in laser pointers at night so that no helicopters could ever fly near them?

What a fn' joke. The laser pointers could 'potentially' cause problems. I don't think people should be deliberately trying to hinder these pilots and don't agree with the kids shining lasers at them when the fly over.

I don't think the problem is a huge one as far as public safety, but it is a spit in the face to the people who are putting their lives on the line to run those ops.

I've been discussing the physics of the original statements and have solid physical analysis and knowledge of the designs of NVG to know that those statements were a bit off. That's all. And from the looks of some of the FAA publications, there is even more evidence that these laser pointers are negligible after a certain distance due to dispersion of the light from the cheap and weak pen lasers.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 31, 2010 11:39PM

Even if it is a myth (but it surely isn't) the pilots do
NOT appreciate laser-tag, and seem to be very good
@locating the 'weak' sources of light and putting the
stupid morons where they belong, in jail with the rest of
the faggots. It definitely endangers the public and is an
attempt to negatively affect the flight crew. One can
only logically assume the intent is to make them crash.

Being that a laser has a momentary blinding effect, at
just about ANY distance, the only question you raised
worth consideration is for how long. But how long is
really just a moot point.

By the way, the disco-ball laser analogy, was the
dumbest thing I have ever heard. You must be a
real imagineer.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: tdp ()
Date: September 03, 2010 02:24PM

I know Mike Promisel. This was an accident and a lapse in judgment. He is not a criminal and this wasn't deliberate. Ask anyone who knows him and they will tell you good things about him- he was the commencement speaker at his graduation, was accepted to UVA, came in second place at the county science and engineering fair in 2009, and was an officer with the National Honor Society and started a charity for Haiti after the earthquake hit. The laser he was shining was one of those pocket laser-led things that you use to see in the dark- he was just trying to see what was going on when he heard the helicopters overhead. To say he belongs in jail for one dumb decision is ludicrous and I would be shocked if he gets anything more than a fine and some community service. Regardless of how dangerous lasers are, I can guarantee you he wouldn't even THINK of shining one at a helicopter if he knew they were dangerous. And troll@aol, fuck off. He's a better person than you will ever be and certainly contributes more to society.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: The Shores of Tripoli ()
Date: September 07, 2010 11:18AM

Maybe if Fairfax County would buy a few of these then the problem will go away.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/internet/feds-marine-sold-munitions-ebay

Still available on eBay.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: Kardinal ()
Date: September 07, 2010 12:21PM

tdp Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I know Mike Promisel. This was an accident and a
> lapse in judgment. He is not a criminal and this
> wasn't deliberate. Ask anyone who knows him and
> they will tell you good things about him- he was
> the commencement speaker at his graduation, was
> accepted to UVA, came in second place at the
> county science and engineering fair in 2009, and
> was an officer with the National Honor Society and
> started a charity for Haiti after the earthquake
> hit. The laser he was shining was one of those
> pocket laser-led things that you use to see in the
> dark- he was just trying to see what was going on
> when he heard the helicopters overhead. To say he
> belongs in jail for one dumb decision is ludicrous
> and I would be shocked if he gets anything more
> than a fine and some community service. Regardless
> of how dangerous lasers are, I can guarantee you
> he wouldn't even THINK of shining one at a
> helicopter if he knew they were dangerous. And
> troll@aol, fuck off. He's a better person than you
> will ever be and certainly contributes more to
> society.


One important element of our legal system is that we are responsible for the CONSEQUENCES of our actions. Whether we knew them or not, or could foresee them or not, we are still responsible for them. This is one of the critical things that parents must teach their children because society expects it of them.

I'm sorry that this is a good kid who made a bad decision. But he made a BAD DECISION. And he is responsible for that bad decision, legally. We all are. And just because "he's a good kid" is not an excuse to do something DANGEROUS.

Punishment serves the purposes of protecting society for a time, deterring the person from doing it again, and deterring the rest of society from doing the action in the first place.

Likewise, letting someone go because "they're a good person" ENCOURAGES further dangerous and destructive behavior.

I'm sorry he got caught up in this. But he did the action, and he is responsible for the consequences. That's how society works.

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Re: another laser pointed at a helicopter - does suspect have family ties to law enforcement?
Posted by: UND91 ()
Date: September 13, 2010 12:32PM

Since Troll and James seem to know what they are talking about and the others here are simply trying to defend ignorence.

WHY DON'T WE JUST STOP! It is simple as this, DON'T point a laser pointer at aircraft.

Someone did it down in FL, yeah they are in jail.

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