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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: August 19, 2007 11:48PM

Canada has free healthcare. Could that have somthing to do with it? 9Serious question)

In germany the drinking age is what, 12? [idk] They also have the speedlimit-less autobahn. How many drunk driving aciidents do then have?


Obviously, the solution is to lower the drinking age and raise the speed limit.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 20, 2007 09:17AM

Obviously...

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Lurker. ()
Date: August 20, 2007 09:35AM

It's tragic that these teens died. Even more tragic is that they were probably driving around in a car drinking because that was the only place they could do it.

When I was in High School (back in the cromagnum ages) it was very common for kids to drive around and drink in cars because that was the only private place they wouldn't get caught. It was either that or sneak into a wooded area someplace. I doubt there are very many places in left Springfield to sit and drink(not in a car) and not get caught.

Whatever happened to going to the beach and getting hotel rooms for partying after graduation.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: All's Fair in Fairfax ()
Date: August 20, 2007 01:38PM

"Richard Thackston is the father of the young woman who was driving, Elaine Thackston. He believes the toxicology will show his daughter had not been drinking. She had been convicted earlier in Fairfax County of driving after underage drinking. The words his daughter had told him -- "I don't make the same mistake twice. I've learned from my mistake and I won't do that again."

Thackston says his daughter was going to be the designated driver that night"

We know one mistake she won't be making again.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: are you serious? ()
Date: August 20, 2007 05:44PM

How old are you people? In your late 20's/30's, maybe even 40's... grow the fuck up, you're ATTACKING teenagers trying to defend their friends' memory... yes, they made a mistake, but THEY WERE HUMAN BEINGS that many people have amazing memories of and all you can do it cut them down over and over and over on here... you didn't even know them! WE ALL GET IT, ALCOHOL WAS A MAJOR FACTOR IN THIS CRASH... it's been over two months, move on with your obviously pathetic existance that you spend all this time on a message board picking apart teenage girls you didn't even know.

"Who are you to judge the life I live? I know I'm not perfect--and I don't live to be. But before you start pointing fingers, make sure your hands are clean."

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pyramids17 ()
Date: August 20, 2007 05:53PM

OK I just checked...I don't drink & drive...my hands are clean...now shut up.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: duh ()
Date: August 20, 2007 06:02PM

What people are "attacking" are the LAME excuses that were initially thrown around as the cause of this tragedy....not the girls themselves.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: August 20, 2007 07:58PM

This wouldn't be an issue if people didn't keep coming on here saying, "Well, nobody knew she was drunk." BULLSHIT. Nobody wants to admit it.

What galls me is people like "are you serious" want to somehow implicate us in this tragedy. The people coming on here to post fabrications about the incident (.02 blood alcohol level, nobody could have known, yadda, yadda, yadda) would do better by their memories to go to the police and tell them exactly who gave the girls the liquor in the first place. You want to honor their memory? Help the police find those who enabled this tragedy to happen.

Otherwise, shut up and this whole debate will go away.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: August 20, 2007 08:25PM

Wow, this thread is hanging around longer than 5 drunken teenage girls driving too slow on the beltway in a volkswagen.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: August 20, 2007 09:41PM

problem is, they probly got the alcohol from friends or at least one of them had a fake id (like 80% of teenagers do) and finding the person who got them alcohol would create a lot of problems.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: slinkeyts ()
Date: August 20, 2007 11:27PM

all kids do..

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: slinkeyts ()
Date: August 20, 2007 11:27PM

thats what is sad



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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 21, 2007 12:10PM

Thats why when punk kids come up to me to ask me to buy them alcohol - i just say no.. but when my few underaged punk friends ask me, I'll do it.. cause I know they won't do something so fucking stupid... Like one.. he just passes out, no opportunity to be stupid..

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Him ()
Date: August 21, 2007 12:59PM

No matter which way you look at it, its sad. I have driven the entire beltway so many damn times I dont care to bring it up. The bottom line is if you are paying attention, you cant help but see the huge numbered green signs stating your exit, the direction of said exit and the distance to that exit. VDOT is to blame? Yea right, VDOT is god compared to Maryland DOT and the District DOT. The only blame to be had is for those 5 women in that car, and yes I blame all of them. The driver for obviously drinking, being stoned and driving. And her friends for not caring enough for their friend (driver) to allow the driver to endanger herself, the rest of them and EVERYONE else that was on the beltway. If you dont care about your life then thats fine, but dont put my life or other innocent bystanders life in jeapordy over your poor decisions.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OWNED ()
Date: August 21, 2007 08:29PM

All's Fair in Fairfax Wrote:
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> "Richard Thackston is the father of the young
> woman who was driving, Elaine Thackston. He
> believes the toxicology will show his daughter had
> not been drinking. She had been convicted earlier
> in Fairfax County of driving after underage
> drinking. The words his daughter had told him --
> "I don't make the same mistake twice. I've learned
> from my mistake and I won't do that again."
>
> Thackston says his daughter was going to be the
> designated driver that night"
>
> We know one mistake she won't be making again.

OWNED.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OMG OWNED ()
Date: August 21, 2007 08:38PM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> You're right, of course, Maxi... there has been
> zero insight here about how these girls were at
> giving bj's.
>
> Of course, if the answer is "like they drive",
> then it's a non-starter.


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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OWNED ()
Date: August 21, 2007 08:53PM

i saw the whole thing Wrote:
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> I was in the car follow the volkswagon that night
> and i knew all the girls except the driver for
> years...they were my best friends and i cant
> believe that you people have nothing better to do
> then sit on the computer and judge those who lost
> there lives....dont u have any sympathy for the
> family and friends of the young women who lost
> there lives that night...you did not know them and
> you werent with them that night and you have noo
> idea the pain and heart ache that all there
> relatives are going threw...we didnt just lose one
> person we lost four...i wish i knew the driver had
> alcohol in her system so that just maybe i could
> of stopped her from driving that night..and just
> maybe lydia, renee, sarah, and nettie might still
> be here todayyy...i love them alll and i know that
> this whole thing was an eye opener and that
> everyone including adults will learn that you
> should never drink and drive..


so wait you were following this girl, you knew all the girls, but you didn't know the driver was drunk? I don't understand....

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: owned ()
Date: August 21, 2007 08:53PM

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OWNED ()
Date: August 21, 2007 08:58PM

cw Wrote:
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> I am not under 21. In fact I am old enough that I
> used to buy alcohol legally as the age limit was
> 18. Somehow I think that people old enough to join
> the military, vote and sign binding contracts
> shouldnt be denied a simple beer.
>
> Since parents can legally serve alcohol to their
> own children in their own home do you consider
> them irresponsible and using poor judgement?


Wrong buddy, you can't serve your kids alcohol. Dumbass.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pyramids17 ()
Date: August 21, 2007 09:03PM

496 Wrote:
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> Wow, this thread is hanging around longer than 5
> drunken teenage girls driving too slow on the
> beltway in a volkswagen.


LOL that's for sure. 5 pages is ridonkulous. All because friends of the nimrod girls/random teens who want the drinking age lowered come on here and try to defend the girls. Give me a break.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: VA Dad ()
Date: August 21, 2007 09:22PM

OWNED Wrote:
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> cw Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am not under 21. In fact I am old enough that
> I
> > used to buy alcohol legally as the age limit
> was
> > 18. Somehow I think that people old enough to
> join
> > the military, vote and sign binding contracts
> > shouldnt be denied a simple beer.
> >
> > Since parents can legally serve alcohol to
> their
> > own children in their own home do you consider
> > them irresponsible and using poor judgement?
>
>
> Wrong buddy, you can't serve your kids alcohol.
> Dumbass.


Actually, you are mistaken. Check the law. In Virginia parents can serve their own children alcohol. I was surprised to learn this. You cannot serve it to other underage kids, but you can to your own. You really shouldn't call people "dumbass" when you are the one who is ignorant.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OWNED ()
Date: August 21, 2007 09:27PM

Oops, sorry I don't have the lawbook handy.. but check it out: POINT STILL STANDS, PARENTS CAN'T SERVE ALCOHOL TO OTHER KIDS AT A PARTY EVEN IF THEY TAKE THE KIDS KEYS.

BITCH

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: VA DAD ()
Date: August 21, 2007 09:28PM

I will admit though that I am gay

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 21, 2007 09:30PM

KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> in canada (ontario at least) the drinking age is
> 19. how many drunk driving crashed do they have?


that's not being fair to us because canadians dont know how to turn on a car.



Jester Wrote:
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> Perhaps we should come to the realization that
> kids will tend to drink at graduation time
> regardless and go a little easier on parents that
> keep them off the road.


i think we should execute the kids and the parents. problem solved!



cw Wrote:
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> I am sure I am in the minority
> in lowering the drinking age for beer to 18 and I
> dont believe the law will be changed in the near
> future either. That does not prohibit me from
> believing the government steps over the line in
> legislating many moral issues.


agreed.



Lurker. Wrote:
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> It's tragic that these teens died. Even more
> tragic is that they were probably driving around
> in a car drinking because that was the only place
> they could do it.


no, no, it's ironic.


> Whatever happened to going to the beach and
> getting hotel rooms for partying after graduation.


$$$



496 Wrote:
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> Wow, this thread is hanging around longer than 5
> drunken teenage girls driving too slow on the
> beltway in a volkswagen.


LOL! a quality joke for sure.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OWNED ()
Date: August 21, 2007 09:35PM

VA DAD Wrote:
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> I will admit though that I am gay


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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bye bye ()
Date: August 21, 2007 10:59PM

OWNED Wrote:
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> Oops, sorry I don't have the lawbook handy.. but
> check it out: POINT STILL STANDS, PARENTS CAN'T
> SERVE ALCOHOL TO OTHER KIDS AT A PARTY EVEN IF
> THEY TAKE THE KIDS KEYS.
>
> BITCH
The poster didn't make that point at all. You are pretty ignorant to be so arrogant. If you are going to attack people, at least get your facts straight. Why are you so bitter and obnoxious?

I will leave your little playground now. I thought this site might be an interesting and entertaining place to discuss what was happening in Fairfax. Instead it is a site where very immature people insult anyone who disagrees with them and downplays tragedy by making inappropriate comments questioning how hot or well endowed the girls were.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OWNED ()
Date: August 22, 2007 07:26AM

forgive me if I'm being 'ignorant' but ASFAIK endowment has to do with the size of my member. in other words I'm well hung, ya dig?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Fairfax MF---er ()
Date: August 22, 2007 08:59AM

bye bye Wrote:
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> I will leave your little playground now. I
> thought this site might be an interesting and
> entertaining place to discuss what was happening
> in Fairfax. Instead it is a site where very
> immature people insult anyone who disagrees with
> them and downplays tragedy by making inappropriate
> comments questioning how hot or well endowed the
> girls were.

I love how people throw little hissy fits like this over these kinds of discussions, like this is supposed to be a fucking forensics meet at UVA or something. First day on the fucking Internet? Get a friggin' life and/or clue.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: lol ()
Date: August 22, 2007 11:56AM

OWNED Wrote:
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> forgive me if I'm being 'ignorant' but ASFAIK
> endowment has to do with the size of my member. in
> other words I'm well hung, ya dig?


usually said by nerdy teens sitting at home waiting for school to start, with little penises.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 22, 2007 12:39PM

very little penises...

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 22, 2007 08:20PM

Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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> I love how people throw little hissy fits like
> this over these kinds of discussions, like this is
> supposed to be a fucking forensics meet at UVA or
> something. First day on the fucking Internet? Get
> a friggin' life and/or clue.


lol, it's so true!


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OWNED ()
Date: August 23, 2007 10:17PM

I have a very little penis and I spend all day on the internet talking all big and bad because I'm really a weak ass loser in real life and the internet is the only way I can act tough. I also like to say crude comments about teenage girls who lost their lives... but I have no shame so I'm going to continue being the sick and twisted individual person I am so I can keep my special spot in hell they have reserved for me... right next to the pedefials because those are my type of people.

PS. I like to take the attention of what a disgusting person I am but dwelling on other people's mistakes because then maybe people won't see how pathetic I truly am.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Fairfax MF---er ()
Date: August 24, 2007 09:13AM

OWNED Wrote:
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> I have a very little penis and I spend all day on
> the internet talking all big and bad because I'm
> really a weak ass loser in real life and the
> internet is the only way I can act tough. I also
> like to say crude comments about teenage girls who
> lost their lives... but I have no shame so I'm
> going to continue being the sick and twisted
> individual person I am so I can keep my special
> spot in hell they have reserved for me... right
> next to the pedefials because those are my type of
> people.
>
> PS. I like to take the attention of what a
> disgusting person I am but dwelling on other
> people's mistakes because then maybe people won't
> see how pathetic I truly am.


As opposed to keeping this thread alive by posting inane comments? Good job.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 24, 2007 10:52AM

and its definately not "pedefial" (ped-eh-fee-ul?)

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Fairfax MF---er ()
Date: August 24, 2007 11:30AM

OWNED Wrote:
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I also
> like to say crude comments about teenage girls who
> lost their lives...

Actually, most of the comments have been about the people who knew the girls who are trying to blame VDOT for the accident while conveniently omitting the fact the driver was drunk (while under-aged) and stoned at the time. By "crude comments" you mean "the truth," then by that standard the comments are painfully "crude."

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OWNED ()
Date: August 24, 2007 01:08PM

Oh I'm sorry I don't know how to spell pedefial... that must definitely be your expertise. sicko.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 24, 2007 01:14PM

your right, i'm an expert at not being a moron.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: slinkeyts ()
Date: August 24, 2007 01:22PM

im sure



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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: FFX Lawyer ()
Date: August 24, 2007 01:44PM

>
> Actually, most of the comments have been about the
> people who knew the girls who are trying to blame
> VDOT for the accident while conveniently omitting
> the fact the driver was drunk (while under-aged)
> and stoned at the time. By "crude comments" you
> mean "the truth," then by that standard the
> comments are painfully "crude."

The people who blamed VDOT are just like the people who said Michael Vick wasn't involved in dogfighting- they are ignorant and jumping to conclusions without having facts. Those people deserved to be told they are ignorant. But, its comments like this in response to someone stating, correctly, that parents can legally serve alcohol to their own children in their own home that make this website a joke instead of a great place to share thoughts-

wrong buddy, you can't serve your kids alcohol. Dumbass.

When you are ignorant of the topic, why do you state your opinion as fact and then have to add "dumbass" to it?

Its too bad. Like VA Dad, I used to like this site. I feel bad for all of the people directly affected by this tragedy. They are all responsible. It wasn't an accident- it was a timebomb waiting to explode. As a father of four young drivers I can relate to the desire to have it not be their fault- but it was. Every one of them and whoever supplied them with the alcohol and drugs. I hope that person pays for his/her part in this tragedy.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 24, 2007 01:54PM

Quick question... If you wrecked your car drunk, would you blame the bartender that served you alcohol? Or the store that sold it to you?

I sure as hell wouldn't..

I'm betting whoever got the alcohol for them feels like shit because of it, but its certainly not his/her fault that they crashed their car...

You can argue that it was illegal, sure.. but imagine if one of the chicks had a fake ID (which is easily imaginable): would you blame the store that sold them alcohol?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: FFX Lawyer ()
Date: August 24, 2007 02:48PM

bdimag Wrote:
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> Quick question... If you wrecked your car drunk,
> would you blame the bartender that served you
> alcohol? Or the store that sold it to you?
>
> I sure as hell wouldn't..
>
> I'm betting whoever got the alcohol for them feels
> like shit because of it, but its certainly not
> his/her fault that they crashed their car...
>
> You can argue that it was illegal, sure.. but
> imagine if one of the chicks had a fake ID (which
> is easily imaginable): would you blame the store
> that sold them alcohol?


I would not blame the bar or store. Even if I was intoxicated and the bartender should have stopped serving me. But, I am of legal age and- the thinking is- mature enough to make good decisions.

If the girls got the alcohol by using a fake ID, I don't blame the store that sold it as long as it was not an obvious fake. I have seen some pretty lousy ones that no one could be fooled by. If someone did them a favor and bought them the alcohol, then they should be prosecuted. They may not be directly responsible for the accident, but they certainly contributed to it.

People have to take responsibilities for their actions- that includes someone who would buy alcohol for an underage person. The driver and the passengers are primarily responsible- one drove imapired and the others had the bad judgement to let her drive and to ride with her. Anyone who knowingly illegally provides minors with alcohol, also needs to take repsonsibility.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 24, 2007 02:55PM

I understand that... but people are wanting to hang whoever bought it for them...

People get charged as adults for crimes when theyre 18 - because its argued that theyre old enough to make their own decisions at that point.. why is it not the same with this? sure somebody illegally provided a minor with alcohol.. it was still her decision to drink it and then drive..

hell i blame her less than i blame her friends - not because they "let" her drive.. they probably encouraged it..

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: duh ()
Date: August 24, 2007 03:25PM

bdimag Wrote:
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> I understand that... but people are wanting to
> hang whoever bought it for them...
>
> People get charged as adults for crimes when
> theyre 18 - because its argued that theyre old
> enough to make their own decisions at that point..
> why is it not the same with this? sure somebody
> illegally provided a minor with alcohol.. it was
> still her decision to drink it and then drive..
>
> hell i blame her less than i blame her friends -
> not because they "let" her drive.. they probably
> encouraged it..

"Hanging" the person that bought it for them is appropriate! That way, people may think twice when a kid asks them to buy booze for them. They might ask themselves, "do I wanna be responsible for what this asshole kid does drunk?".

It's like that idiot that provided guns to the Columbine Kids...he got in a HEAP of trouble, as well he should have.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 24, 2007 03:30PM

ya.. i think im starting to change my mind..

its just being 21, and very recently underage - im just kinda partial to not fully blaming the guy..



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/24/2007 03:31PM by bdimag.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: p freakin s ()
Date: August 24, 2007 06:01PM

If you're trying to make yourself sleep better at night by lying to yourself saying "most of the comments have been about the people who knew the girls who are trying to blame VDOT for the accident", you must be delusional. You have gone as far as to call them NIMRODS... as well as crack jokes about how they won't be able to make that mistake again. So, don't even try to defend yourself saying your comments have been about people who blame VDOT for the accident.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pyramids17 ()
Date: August 24, 2007 06:14PM

p freakin s Wrote:
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> If you're trying to make yourself sleep better at
> night by lying to yourself saying "most of the
> comments have been about the people who knew the
> girls who are trying to blame VDOT for the
> accident", you must be delusional. You have gone
> as far as to call them NIMRODS... as well as crack
> jokes about how they won't be able to make that
> mistake again. So, don't even try to defend
> yourself saying your comments have been about
> people who blame VDOT for the accident.

Hey man. Wanna come over tonight? We're getting intoxicated under the supervision of my parents, then going for a ride. Be here by 7

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: August 24, 2007 07:31PM

p freakin s Wrote:
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> If you're trying to make yourself sleep better at
> night by lying to yourself saying "most of the
> comments have been about the people who knew the
> girls who are trying to blame VDOT for the
> accident", you must be delusional. You have gone
> as far as to call them NIMRODS... as well as crack
> jokes about how they won't be able to make that
> mistake again. So, don't even try to defend
> yourself saying your comments have been about
> people who blame VDOT for the accident.


I sleep just fine.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: August 24, 2007 07:33PM

As for the mistake comment, it was in direct response to the driver's father saying, "she wouldn't make the same mistake twice" and blaming VDOT for its signage.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: lol ()
Date: August 24, 2007 07:53PM

what is with these apologists? instead of admitting their friend made mistakes that killed her and her friends, they are so hurt by the now-known truth about what happened that they come here and criticize people who criticized the blaming of VDOT when the driver had a previous DUI charge? Why don't they just post "look, we were wrong and we're sorry we bashed you for suspecting alcohol was involved" or just go away? why do these "friends" still focus on posters here?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: August 24, 2007 08:29PM

lol Wrote:
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> what is with these apologists? instead of
> admitting their friend made mistakes that killed
> her and her friends, they are so hurt by the
> now-known truth about what happened that they come
> here and criticize people who criticized the
> blaming of VDOT when the driver had a previous DUI
> charge? Why don't they just post "look, we were
> wrong and we're sorry we bashed you for suspecting
> alcohol was involved" or just go away? why do
> these "friends" still focus on posters here?


Because "friends" don't let friends drive drunk. Seems to me there is some guilt here that is resulting in misplaced blame.

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Re: kills 4 teens
Posted by: va.lawyer ()
Date: August 25, 2007 01:24PM

Points of Clarification on VA law:

1. The law-It is illegal for ANYONE under the age of 21 to possess; consume or attempt to possess or consume alcohol.

2. It is illegal for anyone to drive while intoxicated;

3. Virginia law confuses these two law by further defining level of intoxications while driving.

4. The lawyers; police officer and judges refer to a "baby DUI" (when your Blood ALcohol Content is .02 which applies to those under 21 years of age) versus a Blood Alcohol Content (BAC) of .08 which is legal intoxication for adults. Thus, either way driving while under the influence is illegal.

Other factors to consider:

5. Teenage drivers aged 16-20 are the deadlies driver of ANY age group and have the highest fatality (death) rate for crashes.

6. Teenage drivers are need time and practice to become good and safe drivers.

7. Teenage drivers are easily distracted (by road conditions; passengers; radios; purses; wallets; food; etc) due to their inexperience.

8. Underage drinking is a major problem in Fairfax County and across the nation.

9. Many teenagers don't just drink a beer or two they often drink to excess or binge drink. THey often believe they can handle alcohol in the same way adults can handle alcohol. They are wrong.

10. Many Parents do not talk to their teens enough about the dangers of alcohol (and drugs); nor do they set rules or expectations about the consequences they will impose if they drink or use drugs while underage. Yet, parents generally have the strongest influence over their children; yes, even over peers but parents often fail to exercise the power.

My message:

Virginia, like all 50 states in the U.S., makes it a crime to use; possess (hold) or attempt to use possess alcohol while under age 21. Zero Tolerance!

Don't drink while under age 21-Period!

Don't drink and drive!

My sympathies to the families of the dead young women; to the young women who survived and to the driver of the truck.

I hope and pray other, particulary teens and young adults, will learn from this tragedy. But, it has happened before and sadly will probably happen again.

Parents-Use the power you have-Talk and continue to talk to your teens! Set rules and expectations and then enforce them.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 25, 2007 07:24PM

11. if you are not wearing a seatbelt and are in a collision, the force can eject your through a window.

12. friction + a human body + high speed = lots of pain and bleeding

13. the laws of physics dictate that when two bodies of mass collide the kenetic energy is transfered. when a high mass body collides with a low mass body, the force to mass ratio is skewed in that the effect is greater on low mass body, even though the same force is put on both bodies. in this instance, a several ton tractor-trailer traveling at high speed collided with a slow moving car which was less than a single ton. the result of the two colliding was that the car was rocketed forward.


My message:

the laws of physics are something you can never break.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 28, 2007 04:34PM

i can levitate.

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Re: teenage drivers and Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: legal eagle ()
Date: August 30, 2007 11:14PM

Points of Clarification on VA law:

1. The law-It is illegal for ANYONE under the age of 21 to possess; consume or attempt to possess or consume alcohol.

2. It is illegal for anyone to drive while intoxicated;

3. Virginia law confuses these two laws by further defining levels of intoxications while driving.

4. The lawyers; police officer and judges refer to a "baby DUI" (when your Blood ALcohol Content is .02 which applies to those under 21 years of age) versus a Blood Alcohol Content (BAC) of .08 which is legal intoxication for adults. Thus, either way driving while under the influence is illegal.

Other factors to consider:

5. Teenage drivers aged 16-20 are the deadlies drivers of ANY age group and have the highest fatality (death) rate for crashes.

6. Teenage drivers need time (lots) and practice to become good and safe drivers.

7. Teenage drivers are easily distracted (by road conditions; passengers; radios; purses; wallets; food; etc) due to their inexperience; immaturity; sense of invincibility and tendency to engage in high risk behavior.

8. Underage drinking is a major problem in Fairfax County and across the nation.

9. Many teenagers don't just drink a beer or two they often drink to excess or binge drink. THey often believe they can handle alcohol in the same way adults can handle alcohol. They are wrong.

10. Many Parents do not talk to their teens enough about the dangers of alcohol (and drugs); nor do they set rules or expectations about the consequences they will impose if they drink or use drugs while underage. Yet, parents generally have the strongest influence over their children; yes, even over peers but parents often fail to exercise the power.

My message:

Virginia, like all 50 states in the U.S., makes it a crime to use; possess (hold) or attempt to use possess alcohol while under age 21. Zero Tolerance!

Don't drink while under age 21-Period!

Don't drink and drive!

My sympathies to the families of the dead young women; to the young women who survived and to the driver of the truck.

I hope and pray other, particulary teens and young adults, will learn from this tragedy. But, it has happened before and sadly will probably happen again.

Parents-Use the power you have-Talk and continue to talk to your teens! Set rules and expectations and then enforce them.

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DUPLICATION!
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 31, 2007 01:41AM

11. if you are not wearing a seatbelt and are in a collision, the force can eject your through a window.

12. friction + a human body + high speed = lots of pain and bleeding

13. the laws of physics dictate that when two bodies of mass collide the kenetic energy is transfered. when a high mass body collides with a low mass body, the force to mass ratio is skewed in that the effect is greater on low mass body, even though the same force is put on both bodies. in this instance, a several ton tractor-trailer traveling at high speed collided with a slow moving car which was less than a single ton. the result of the two colliding was that the car was rocketed forward.


My message:

the laws of physics are something you can never break.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 31, 2007 09:41AM

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: G-Man ()
Date: August 31, 2007 01:24PM

I would love to see this topic go away. Its done its over. The driver was drunk and high, she fucked up and killed her self and her friends. move on its over the point is made.

EoM

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 31, 2007 05:45PM

G-Man Wrote:
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> I would love to see this topic go away. Its done
> its over. The driver was drunk and high, she
> fucked up and killed her self and her friends.
> move on its over the point is made.


by posting, you actually are contributing to keeping the thread alive... now so am i. :)


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: G-Man ()
Date: August 31, 2007 06:11PM

Thanks for contributing!

EoM

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: September 04, 2007 11:55AM

ooooo i wanna contribute too!!

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: nicole2 ()
Date: March 16, 2008 08:07PM

to everyone

the "school sponsored" trip to the ESPN zone cost 60 dollors to get it in. So, maybe if West Potomac made it free and made it some where other than a place just for boys than we would of gone there instead of to the club.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Kobersteen ()
Date: March 16, 2008 08:29PM

nicole2 Wrote:
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> to everyone
>
> the "school sponsored" trip to the ESPN zone cost
> 60 dollors to get it in. So, maybe if West Potomac
> made it free and made it some where other than a
> place just for boys than we would of gone there
> instead of to the club.


I feel compelled to chime in, Nicole. I just want to know, how much did the alcohol and everything else cost that the girls consumed that night? No one ever said that doing the right thing is always the cheapest or most convenient thing to do but it IS the RIGHT thing to do. So, don't go to ESPN zone if you can't spare the $60, just use some common sense and DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE!

Don't try to dump this on the school, those girls made a choice and it was a bad one.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: the friendly toad ()
Date: June 10, 2008 02:29PM

Robert Wrote:
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> That beltway sacres me to death. I was on it a few
> months ago and almost got hit from behind.


lol i would like to hit u from behind...


NO HOMO

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: The truth be told ()
Date: June 12, 2008 11:35AM

Driver, 20, Was Legally Drunk in Fatal Va. Crash
By Jerry Markon and Daniela Deane
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, August 15, 2007; Page B01
A George Mason University student was legally drunk when she veered into the path of a tractor-trailer on a ramp of the Capital Beltway, killing herself and three friends, and police are trying to locate the person who provided the alcohol found in the car, authorities said yesterday.
An investigation of the June 14 crash near the Springfield Mixing Bowl revealed that the driver, Elaine M. Thackston, 20, had a blood-alcohol content above the .02 legal limit for someone under 21 and that she tested positive for marijuana, police said. They declined to say whether any of the four passengers, including a 17-year-old who survived, had been drinking or using drugs.
Police also said they found an open gallon of vodka, with about half of it gone, and a six-pack of beer in the white convertible Volkswagen, which was upside down, its roof gone. Reaction from family members of the victims ranged from resignation to anger yesterday.
"A drunk driver killed my kid. I can't change it. It is the way it is," said Richard Petkoff, whose daughter Lydia M. Petkoff, 18, of the Alexandria area, was among those killed.
The grandfather of Renee N. Shelkin, 18, of the Alexandria area, who was also killed, said he blamed Thackston, who was from Troy, N.H. "I believe if that girl had never shown up, this would never have happened," Barry Shelkin said yesterday. "Renee would be here today."
Thackston's mother, Andrea, declined to comment yesterday.
The development provided a sad coda to a crash that shattered graduation celebrations for students at a Fairfax County high school and provided yet another example of the dangers of drinking and driving. Petkoff and Shelkin had just graduated from West Potomac High School that day.
Also killed was Thackston's roommate at George Mason, Sarah R. Carter, 19, of the Alexandria area, a graduate of West Potomac. Petkoff was Carter's cousin. The injured teenager was a West Potomac student.
The five friends had been at one of their homes and were en route to Love nightclub in the District when their car crashed into the tractor-trailer, said Virginia State Police Sgt. Terry Licklider.
The crash occurred as the Volkswagen headed west on the Beltway's inner loop, in the middle lane of five, toward the Springfield interchange, police said. At 10:40 p.m., the car passed the exit, in the two left lanes, for southbound Interstate 95, then cut left across the striped pavement back toward the exit ramp and into the path of a 2007 Freightliner tractor-trailer carrying a full load of frozen foods.
In the right lane of the ramp, the Freightliner smashed into the car, drove it into a retaining wall and flipped it over, demolishing it. Thackston, Petkoff and Carter were not wearing seat belts and were ejected, Licklider said. It could not be determined whether the other two passengers had seat belts on because the damage was so severe.
Licklider said it was difficult to determine how large a role alcohol played in the crash, because other drivers told police Thackston appeared to be driving normally until just before impact. "There were no reports of impaired driving, nothing to indicate that she was weaving or doing anything unsafe or illegal," Licklider said.
"For whatever reason, she veered to the left, right in front of this tractor-trailer. We may never know why," he said. Thackston's sudden move was particularly odd, he said, because she would have needed to get onto Interstate 395 north to go to the District, not I-95 south. The exit for 395 was to the right.
A small amount of marijuana was also found in the car, Licklider said.
Thackston had been driving around the 50 mph speed limit but slowed to 10 mph when she was hit by the truck. "There was nothing to indicate excessive speed," Licklider said.
Mike Green, executive director of Mothers Against Drunk Driving's Northern Virginia chapter, called the crash "a terrible tragedy" but said the test results reinforced that parents and schools should have a "zero tolerance" policy toward young people drinking at all, much less getting behind the wheel.
"People under 21 are impetuous, they are risk-takers and they are inexperienced," he said. "It is far more dangerous for a young person to drink and drive than for someone more mature."
The Freightliner was driven by Glenwood B. Spears, 42, of Sanford, N.C. He was not hurt. No charges were filed, and police said he was not at fault and was cooperative in the investigation.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Leave it Alone Already ()
Date: June 12, 2008 11:39AM

aw jeez

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Darlene Arrivillaga ()
Date: November 24, 2008 05:23PM

Girls, Girls. Lidia's mother died this morning, November 24, 2008. I never met Lidia, I hardly knew Joan, but my heart is broken. I hope they are together now.

pyramids17 Wrote:
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> pgens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Still horrified with us? Sorry you didn't know
> > her as well as you thought you did. We will
> now
> > accept your apologies for your public
> criticisms
> > of our "jumping" to the most likely conclusions
> > and being skeptical that things were different
> in
> > this case. I guess the "completely different
> > people" comment had to do with the introduction
> of
> > marijuana? Maybe you knew something about
> this?
> >
> > In any case I guess this explains why the
> > toxicology report took a while... I guess they
> ran
> > blood tests against more than alcohol.
> >
> > Again, sympathies to the families, but now
> > hopefully we can focus on the root cause of
> this
> > crash and apply lessons learned to how we are
> > raising our kids, as opposed to blaming road
> > signs. I hope the truck driver can get some
> peace
> > from this as well... it's hard to guard against
> > other drivers' mistakes when they are drunk and
> > stoned, especially in an area like the mixing
> bowl
> > where driver attention is required.
>
>
> WELL SAID PGENS! I guess Dick Thackston was right!
> Along with all these other people saying the girls
> did nothing wrong. You know, the signage on the
> beltway is soooooo confusing! Especially when
> you're traveling at 10 mph. Oh, and you're stoned.
> Oh, and also, you're drunk. This is so sad because
> it was so dumb. Completely preventable. While I
> feel so bad about it, it's incredibly difficult to
> have much sympathy. Sorry, that's just the way I
> feel.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Glamorous ()
Date: November 24, 2008 05:27PM

Alcohol, the cause of many deaths =((

The drunk driver speeds up at the yellow light, the high driver slows down. What's wrong here?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: curious ()
Date: November 24, 2008 06:16PM

Where did you hear about Joan, Darlene?


Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Darlene Arrivillaga ()
Date: November 24, 2008 05:23PM


Girls, Girls. Lidia's mother died this morning, November 24, 2008. I never met Lidia, I hardly knew Joan, but my heart is broken. I hope they are together now.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Lene ()
Date: November 24, 2008 08:55PM

curious Wrote:
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> Where did you hear about Joan, Darlene?
>
>
> Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
> Posted by: Darlene Arrivillaga ()
> Date: November 24, 2008 05:23PM
>
>
> Girls, Girls. Lidia's mother died this morning,
> November 24, 2008. I never met Lidia, I hardly
> knew Joan, but my heart is broken. I hope they are
> together now.

Ok, well Lidia is not even how you spell Lydia. You dumbass, go mind your own business.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: nettthacks <3 ()
Date: January 27, 2010 06:24PM

Yeah, actually. I knew one of them very personally too. She was not the type of person to lose control or make bad decisions. Hmm.. why are you even comenting on this? Nothing you say or do is going to change what happened that so obviously happened because the police were too busy to cover their stupid asses that they wouldn't have admitted that it was the fault of the highway in Virginia that had, in fact, killed many on that very same intersection. An autopsy was also done. There was no alcohol in their blood, only in the back of the car. Don't disrespect the ones who have died. They were good, kind people and you have no idea how much everyone misses them.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Dirty Jersey ()
Date: January 27, 2010 08:07PM

nettthacks <3 Wrote:
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> Yeah, actually. I knew one of them very personally
> too. She was not the type of person to lose
> control or make bad decisions. Hmm.. why are you
> even comenting on this? Nothing you say or do is
> going to change what happened that so obviously
> happened because the police were too busy to cover
> their stupid asses that they wouldn't have
> admitted that it was the fault of the highway in
> Virginia that had, in fact, killed many on that
> very same intersection. An autopsy was also done.
> There was no alcohol in their blood, only in the
> back of the car. Don't disrespect the ones who
> have died. They were good, kind people and you
> have no idea how much everyone misses them.

Lol you fucking wanker

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: unknown ()
Date: January 31, 2010 11:05PM

I highly doubt that anyone will read this, but I am in tears and I felt like it needed to be said. You all are SICK people. I knew Nettie Thackston personally. She might as well have been my sister. If you are going to talk about anyone that died in that accident like they are bad people then you are heartless. If you don’t know them, then what is the matter with you? Honestly? Then tearing apart Richard Thackston? He had just lost his daughter. He had lost one of his family members he was closest with. Just imagine this happening to you then people talking about it. Then people making teen driving jokes. This isn’t a joke. This is four lives we are talking about. Four people who had people who cared about them. I feel sick thinking about this. Not only that but those of you to assume she was drunk, incase you were wondering, when the final tests came back she was sober. She was so sober it was legal for her to be on the road. Think again before you talk. I realize this is years too late but something needed to be said to anyone who posted, anyone thinking of posting, and anyone reading these posts. It brought me to tears.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: *PetDetective* ()
Date: February 01, 2010 02:03AM

Yeah thats a sad fuckin' thing about the internet.
But it is what it is.
So, learn to accept it.

That said.

I appologise on behalf of any anon-asshole who hurt your feelings.
Who's personal opinions and wild meaningless rants hurt you so, enuough to make you weep.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Too Human ()
Date: July 03, 2011 03:47PM

I came across this while trying to research this particular accident for a friend, and I do feel compelled to say something in that I was actually there. I was the one who was on the phone to 911, I was the one counting bodies in the street, I was the one getting the people who had stopped to help coordinated until State Police arrived. I vividly remember the 911 operator asking me if I knew how and was willing to try CPR, and thinking how silly that would be to try on someone already dead. I remember hearing the screaming from INSIDE the upside down car from the girl who survived, her begging someone to get her out of there.

Despite what anyone may think or feel about everything subjective regarding the evening and the intent of the girls involved, a few facts seem to be downplayed. Safe driving practices, as taught, were ignored on their part. The drug and alcohol use was their own choice, for those that did, and the decision to ride along was the choice of each and every passenger. 'Deserved' and 'didn't deserve' and 'should have' or 'shouldn't have' don't even enter into it. Six lives were altered that night, or is it convenient to forget the tractor trailer driver? But the fact remains is that a driver is responsible for his or her vehicle and how they handle it, and as such the safety of their passengers. In the military and in the aviation field, we have terms such as 'Situational Awareness' and 'Operational Risk Management' and 'Risk Assesment', and I can assure you that from what I saw as a result and what I read in the news in the weeks that followed that either these girls exercised no type of concern at all, or those that did ended up ignoring that gut feeling that something was wrong or all the warning signs that disaster was imminent. Its not about assigning blame, or making a huge push for new rules "to make sure this never happens again', as expected and anticipated reasonable and cautious behavior was departed from.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Kennedy ()
Date: May 14, 2012 01:23PM


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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Another friend ()
Date: May 14, 2012 02:09PM

As mentioned above, the drug and alcohol use was their own choice, for those that did, and the decision to ride along was the choice of each and every passenger.

The alcohol has long ago evaporated, and the worms have moved on, but our memories of these young women lingers.

Rest in peace.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Rip ()
Date: May 14, 2012 06:17PM

RIP. but I remember one of them had to go to summer school til graduated because she failed one class, so I wonder if she would of been like Carlos if she didn't pass

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: student ()
Date: May 14, 2012 06:18PM

Elaine "Nettie" Thackston, 20, she was 20 when she graduated

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: BEH ()
Date: May 15, 2012 07:36AM

student Wrote:
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> Elaine "Nettie" Thackston, 20, she was 20 when
> she graduated

Proof that lack of intelligence can lead to premature death?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: May 15, 2012 08:03AM

student Wrote:
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> Elaine "Nettie" Thackston, 20, she was 20 when
> she graduated

She was a Mason student when this happened, where does it say she was 20 at her own high school graduation?

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Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 15, 2012 09:39AM

Elaine "Nettie" Thackston, 20

George Mason University student, New Hampshire resident

When Elaine Minette Konietzko Schierioth Thackston, known as "Nettie" or "Minette," returned home two weeks ago for a car inspection, it seemed as if her life was coming together nicely, said her father Dick Thackston.

Sitting on the sidelines of her brother’s lacrosse game in Troy, N.H., Nettie Thackston chatted animatedly to her parents about the children she babysat for in Fairfax County and how much she enjoyed them.

She also said she had decided to major in French at George Mason University.

"The last time I saw her, she was very excited she that had a good year at school. … She was trying desperately to act like she was interested in her brother’s lacrosse game no matter how bored she was," said Dick Thackston.

A few days later, on June 12, Dick Thackston talked to his daughter for the last time. Nettie Thackston told him over the phone she would be attending West Potomac High School’s graduation and then taking the train to meet her sister at college in New Orleans.

The two sisters planned to drive back to New Hampshire together and Nettie Thackston would start work as a camp counselor in Richmond, N.H. next week.

But Nettie Thackston was killed along with three other passengers when her car collided with a tractor-trailer last week. Her family plans to have a funeral service for her in New Hampshire.

An avid traveler, Nettie Thackston had visited several other countries including Australia, France, the United Kingdom, Ireland, Spain and Portugal.

Her interest in international culture began in sixth grade, when she was selected to go to Europe as an ambassador of the United States through the People-to-People program, which promotes understanding foreign countries through travel.

Her father said she chose to attend George Mason, where both her parents went to school, in part because of the Washington, D.C. area’s "international flavor."

After college, she wanted to teach either English in France or French in the United States, he said.

With over 90 percent hearing loss, Nettie Thackston took particular interest in studying languages.

"The process of learning language was something that she learned to do early on and she had a certain fascination with it," said her father.

Most recently, Nettie Thackston and Sarah Carter, another victim of the crash, had taken a trip to The Netherlands and England over Mason's winter break.

The two students shared an apartment together off-campus and Carter introduced Nettie Thackston to the other victims of the crash, according to Dick Thackston.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: May 15, 2012 12:18PM

In May 2006 she was a student at Mason, age 19. She didn't graduate high school at 20.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: stephen ()
Date: May 15, 2012 04:28PM

This is why drunk Drivers should be registered, so we can all stay out of their cars.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Tyrone Shoelaces ()
Date: May 15, 2012 10:36PM

A little compassion never hurt: here's a song that has helped me get through some tough times:

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: BEH ()
Date: May 16, 2012 07:35AM

Why have compassion for someone who drives like shit and gets themselves killed?
They'd kill you with no remorse, other than the inconvenience of having to go to court. Besides, their remorse does nothing for you. You're dead or maimed and your car is wrecked because some bitch was texting or drunk. They'll cry in court, but only for themselves.
Be thankful you didn't get in the way of this particular douche. The fact that she's dead increases the chances for your own survival.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 16, 2012 08:01AM

It's kinda hard to have compassion on this one, Tyrone
I remember one of the father of one of the girls was on some personal crusade to crucify the truck driver and VDOT at the onset of all this, that kinda makes it hard in retrospect.

Still feel sorry for the trucker. If y'all dont know the details, the girls cut him off at the last minute cause the ramps for the Bowl had just changed over sometime that week and they didnt realize it til the last minute, or something like that. That's how the crash happend.

Anywho, the dad was all "how could you do this to my precious angel" till the tox report came out. Really was trying to stick it to the trucker I remember that...............

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Tyrone ()
Date: May 16, 2012 10:40PM

I get that and I don't have compassion for the action, just the effect that it has and will continue to have for others. Pearl Jam is a good band and the lyrics to the song really do make sense though, for the others that were and/or have been affected or forced to grow up and reevaluate theirselves from this makes complete sense and gives reason. The truck driver in this story faces the true tragedy and hopefully is able to continue life with a good conscience and soul. Either way, enjoy the damn song and relate it to yourself, it's a gem.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: adfafdsaf ()
Date: March 23, 2016 04:20PM

saddd

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: time machine. ()
Date: September 16, 2020 09:02AM

So the girl is in prison now. No surprise there.

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