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Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: TRICKIE ()
Date: June 15, 2007 03:48PM

I always get so scared and upset when I read stuff like this. From my reading, it sounds like the girls had attended or graduated from West Potomac HS yesterday. Then afterwards, it may have been they were partying and trying to get the graduates back to the school where busses were waiting to take them to the all night grade party at ESPN Zone. Running late and usure of where to exit at the Springfield/Beltway area, they almost missed the exit but swerved over in front of the truck. The truck was not at fault but four of the ten girls were killed and one was injured. The names have been released. One of the girls, Elaine Thackston, lived at GMU and had a DUI arrest in June of 2006. I wonder if alcohol was involved in last night's crash.

I feel so bad for the families and the West Potomac community. What a horrendous accident on what should have been a very happy occasion.

Trickie

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: say what ()
Date: June 15, 2007 05:39PM

They already said alcohol was found in the car. That is part of the new intersection ramp on the mixing bowl. It is poorly marked and most people think you have to be in the right lane to exit like 99% of all highways. The warning signs are placed too close to the actual ramp and you are exiting off the fast lane to boot. It leaves very little time to read the sign and merge over.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: . ()
Date: June 15, 2007 05:45PM

TRICKIE Wrote:
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> One of the girls, Elaine
> Thackston, lived at GMU and had a DUI arrest in
> June of 2006. I wonder if alcohol was involved in
> last night's crash.
>
>

They found booze in the car, so you tell me? After the autopsy I'm willing to wager that it will be learned that she had alcohol in her system.

It's bad enough that she didn't care about her own life, especially after having already been arrested for a prior DWI, it's just a shame that those girls had to die along with her. Guess it wasn't "cool" to participate in the school-sponsored graduation party, huh?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: trogdor! ()
Date: June 15, 2007 06:31PM

She was found guilty of "driving after illegal consumption of alcohol" (underage) at the end of June 2006. She had a 6 month suspension of her license. I hope she wasn't drunk for her family's sake. What a tragedy.... The news today said that in the metro area there have been (7) teen automotive deaths in the last week. That's scary.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: June 15, 2007 06:54PM

its graduation week. what the hell does everyone expect?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Robert ()
Date: June 15, 2007 07:02PM

That beltway sacres me to death. I was on it a few months ago and almost got hit from behind.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: . ()
Date: June 15, 2007 08:53PM

KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> its graduation week. what the hell does everyone
> expect?


What do I expect?

*I expect that the 20 year old girl driving the vehicle would have learned a lesson from her previous arrest. She was arrested for DWI and it was knocked down to "driving after illegally consuming" in court, meaning she had enough alcohol in her system to be considered intoxicated for an adult 21+ at the time of her arrest (at age 19). This was most likely a plea agreement reduction.

*I expect students to take part in their school's all-night graduation party like most of the student body does. This event must have been scrupulously planned, organized and publicized for at least a couple months. These events are organized to prevent tragedies such as these by providing a safe, fun, and most importantly, alcohol and drug-free night of celebration.

*I expect more involvement on the part of her parents, especially after the giant red flag was raised just 12 months ago with her alcohol-related arrest. If the parents of all of these young adults were involved in volunteering for said all-night graduation party perhaps the graduates would have been present at the party and had a safe ride.

*I expect graduating seniors and rising college students, all of whom seemingly appeared intelligent, to exercise better judgment. I understand that all girls apparently knew each other, but really, what was the 20 year old doing driving around the younger girls? Even if they were heading towards the all-night party I doubt the 20 year old would have been allowed to enter. Those events are well-regulated. This was trouble from the start.


*I expect people who are supposedly employed by the school system, KeepOnTruckin, to not ask such goofy questions to sum up the tragedy such as "it's graduation, what do you expect?"

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: June 15, 2007 09:51PM

owch, took a stab at my job there. no worries, i do work for FCPS. you should too, they have great benefits. And if i didnt work for FCPS, why the hell would i be going to the admin center? http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/37456/37569.html

anyway, a lot of parents arent that good at being parents. some parents honestly dont care or dont get involved with their kids' activities. other parents buy their kids alcohol/cigarettes.

other parents dont want to get involed with the school so they dont help at the grad party.

on your first point, she could have been anywhere from .02-.08 due to VA's no tolerance laws.

The 20-y-o could have been dropping them off. but yes they do check ppl's names on the list and only seniors can get tickets. I know some schools also call home if you leave before the thing is over.

"expect students to go to the grad party..." Well guess what, not all students go. not all students are law-abiding. some students will feel like geting totally wasted instead of going. or get wasted and then go liek these people. For some reason the graduation finishes at 5:00 or earlier and the school sponsored party doesnt start until 11:00.

I heard that in FFX cnty, on average on the weekend, 1 in 10 drivers is drunk driving. 40% of those are teens. So yes, i expect that after graduation or similar large event requireing celebration, that some .high school students will be getting drunk and or driving drunk.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Dirty Jersey ()
Date: June 15, 2007 11:19PM

I want sum fuckin, franch toast

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: June 15, 2007 11:37PM

thats the kind of state that some kids are in. hell thats probly a HS kid right there.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: trogdor! ()
Date: June 16, 2007 02:29AM

I can't stop thinking about what a horror show this must have been. I remember back in the day, when I was taking driver's ed, I was shown all these Ohio State Patrol films of auto death and destruction ("Signal 30" was one of them, it's up on You Tube http://youtube.com/watch?v=dXgpzSDP2hQ). It was very out of date at the time, but it still had a profound impact on me. I've been in 2 serious roll-overs, both were the fault of other drivers and I've walked away from both with minor injuries. I know how quickly a short drive can turn into a nightmare. I wish every kid in High School had that sense, that shit can go wrong instantaneously and can be really seriously horrible for *you*...and not only the "other guy". I wonder if they still show those films to kids anymore.

Maybe you parents out there should sit your kids in front of You Tube...

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Grace ()
Date: June 17, 2007 11:00AM

Suspect bad signage on the Beltway/Mixing Bowl ramp may have been a factor; signage always lags opening new lanes and traffic patterns. It's tricky even if you know the area well.

Also suspect driver may not have been paying full time and attention, due to distractions of 4 high-spirited passengers (with or without alcohol; trust me, girls are louder and more animated than boys).

Mostly poor judgment by driver, though, and maybe incomplete driver training. It's not fatal to drive on and return via next available exit.

But, there but for the grace of God or Allah, really, with an accident like this not happening to many of us.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: June 17, 2007 11:12AM

KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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>
> I heard that in FFX cnty, on average on the
> weekend, 1 in 10 drivers is drunk driving. 40% of
> those are teens.

The statistics from recent roadblocks do not support this number. Unless the kids are smart enough to check FFXU and the Fairfax county press releases to know where the checkpoints are.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: I'm from the bronx shit happens ()
Date: June 17, 2007 01:31PM

A very prominent Puerto Rican platinum rapper by the name of Fat Joe once said, "We from The Bronx, New York Shit happens". R.I.P. I'm sure she wasn't meant for this world may the girls rest in peace in the other.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: June 17, 2007 03:38PM

Ahh true, i got those stats from some driver education class materials.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 17, 2007 06:06PM

i have to know... were they hot?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Dick Thackston ()
Date: June 17, 2007 07:21PM

The driver of the car was my daughter.

I think it is sad that the focus of most reporting has been on what I have been told was un-opened alcohol in the car. (Certainly it was not my impression that anyone investigating this matter was pulling any punches with me.)

No one seems to be interested in discussing the fatally bad intersection called “the mixing bowl” where automobile traffic mixed with tractor trailers regularly moves at 75+ MPH through a dozen or more lanes including left hand exits and bridges.

My daughter was an experienced young driver, who had commuted over thirty miles each way to and from school in high school daily as well as regularly between Northern Virginia and New Hampshire since entering GMU in 2005. She had over 80,000 miles on her car and it was well maintained and just been inspected and overhauled at Volkswagen.

I understand that this is tragic for hundreds of people and I don’t mind if it is used as a parable to scare other teenagers from drinking and driving but it should be based in fact. I think there is a real parable of the dangers of this intersection and driving on the beltway that is being totally ignored, I think because it would be an inconvienient reality for life on the beltway.

It is to easy in our busy lives to not appreciate those around us and forget that this moment or day may be our last with them.

There are no words that can describe this loss for the families invovled.

Carpe Diem

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: ben ()
Date: June 17, 2007 07:25PM

. Wrote:
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>
>
> What do I expect?
>
> *I expect that the 20 year old girl driving the
> vehicle would have learned a lesson from her
> previous arrest. She was arrested for DWI and it
> was knocked down to "driving after illegally
> consuming" in court, meaning she had enough
> alcohol in her system to be considered intoxicated
> for an adult 21+ at the time of her arrest (at age
> 19). This was most likely a plea agreement
> reduction.
>
> *I expect students to take part in their
> school's all-night graduation party like most of
> the student body does. This event must have been
> scrupulously planned, organized and publicized for
> at least a couple months. These events are
> organized to prevent tragedies such as these by
> providing a safe, fun, and most importantly,
> alcohol and drug-free night of celebration.
>
> *I expect more involvement on the part of her
> parents, especially after the giant red flag was
> raised just 12 months ago with her alcohol-related
> arrest. If the parents of all of these young
> adults were involved in volunteering for said
> all-night graduation party perhaps the graduates
> would have been present at the party and had a
> safe ride.
>
> *I expect graduating seniors and rising college
> students, all of whom seemingly appeared
> intelligent, to exercise better judgment. I
> understand that all girls apparently knew each
> other, but really, what was the 20 year old doing
> driving around the younger girls? Even if they
> were heading towards the all-night party I doubt
> the 20 year old would have been allowed to enter.
> Those events are well-regulated. This was trouble
> from the start.
>
>
> *I expect people who are supposedly employed by
> the school system, KeepOnTruckin, to not ask such
> goofy questions to sum up the tragedy such as
> "it's graduation, what do you expect?"


Just to your second point;

How much does it cost to participate in an all night grad party now? You have to have paid your schools dues, and then buy a ticket. I'm guessing the total between those items is over $120. At 17 I couldn't afford it, and I didn't expect my parents to pay that extortion to my high school for a party I would have been miserable at. I found better things to do on the eve of my graduation. So did all of my friends.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 17, 2007 08:31PM

so... it turns out to be a normal accident with one car overpacked with a bunch of morons not using seatbelts. does anyone have a link to an article about this?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: trogdor! ()
Date: June 17, 2007 10:17PM

I agree the beltway is probably not as well designed as it should be, with space being a premium in the area. I wonder what speed the truck was doing when he hit them? I imagine that will also be an issue. I know from personal experience that on I-95, semis have no qualms about tailgating you at 70 in the slow lane.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Grace ()
Date: June 17, 2007 10:40PM

Mr. Thackston: my sympathies and prayers to you and your family, and those of your daughter's friends.

Have 4 young nephews; this accident could have happened to most young people. To say nothing of most of us who were young and driving around in the 1970s and 1980s.

I hope you will find peace in the coming months and years.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: TRICKIE ()
Date: June 17, 2007 10:49PM

According to the papers, the semi was not tailgating. The girls were not even in the same lane. They quickly veered out of their lane to rewach an exit and drove right in front of the truck.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: '07 WPHS Graduate ()
Date: June 17, 2007 11:18PM

I think that it is absurd what some of you are writing. Why don't you check your facts before posting.

I agree that students should attend the all night grad parties. However, in order to do so you had to have walked at graduation which one of the friends didn't. Being loyal friends they were sticking by her side. Unfortunately, a tragic event occurred. (and about the cost, you had to have no obligations, paid $100 for senior dues and an extra $65 I know many people who didn't go for that reason alone.)

About drivers ed and experience. I didn't know the driver, I am not making any assumptions as to whether she was a good driver or not but have you ever been on the beltway? Everyone knows how confusing it is and how that particular ramp is not marked clearly.

The nerve some of you have, calling the girls morons when no information has been release about seat belts.

You have no respect for their families and friends.

My deepest regards to all of the friends and families, you are in my prayers.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: TRICKIE ()
Date: June 17, 2007 11:26PM

Just curious. Why didn't one of them 'walk" at graduation? What was the problem?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: '07 WPHS Graduate ()
Date: June 17, 2007 11:28PM

She has to take a course this summer.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: June 18, 2007 12:16AM

This is all fine and good, but I'm kind of curious how Paris Hilton would feel.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: . ()
Date: June 18, 2007 08:56AM

'07 WPHS Graduate Wrote:
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> I think that it is absurd what some of you are
> writing. Why don't you check your facts before
> posting.
>
> I agree that students should attend the all night
> grad parties. However, in order to do so you had
> to have walked at graduation which one of the
> friends didn't. Being loyal friends they were
> sticking by her side. Unfortunately, a tragic
> event occurred. (and about the cost, you had to
> have no obligations, paid $100 for senior dues and
> an extra $65 I know many people who didn't go for
> that reason alone.)
>
> About drivers ed and experience. I didn't know
> the driver, I am not making any assumptions as to
> whether she was a good driver or not but have you
> ever been on the beltway? Everyone knows how
> confusing it is and how that particular ramp is
> not marked clearly.
>
> The nerve some of you have, calling the girls
> morons when no information has been release about
> seat belts.
>
> You have no respect for their families and
> friends.
>
> My deepest regards to all of the friends and
> families, you are in my prayers.


I agree that some of the things being written are absurd. However, its interesting that many seem to be blaming roadway design here more than anything else.

No one has really addressed why there was alcohol in the vehicle when no one, not even the 20 year old driver with a previous DUI charge, was old enough to even have the stuff. I don't care if it was open or not. At some point they most likely would have attempted to drive after drinking. The driver had a previous history of this, we know that much.

It's still my belief it will be learned that at least the driver had some alcohol in her system. If true, that will be the biggest cause for concern here.

If alcohol was in her system, and depending on how much, that will likely be the single largest contributing factor in this tragedy. And that would be quite scary since the driver would have had an extraordinary opportunity to redeem herself and learn a huge lesson from her previous arrest, and didn't seize that opportunity. Instead, she would have taken three other souls with her. But make no mistake, there was poor judgment all the way around here - from the girls to their parents.

I understand that it's easy for me to sit here and Monday Morning Quarterback, but I've seen this type of stuff before. This kind of poor judgment is not unique only to this accident. Sadly, it will happen again I'm afraid.

Even if alcohol was not in her system we still have a young and relatively inexperienced girl driving on a major highway, at night, and with possibly too many passengers for her own abilities. I don't care how many miles or hours a 20 year old has under their belt, most still don't possess enough experience to be driving under said circumstances.

And on another note, when, oh when, will people learn that they do not have to cut across all lanes to make an exit? Or slam your brakes on, get to the shoulder and back up to the exit you just passed? You can just about ALWAYS take the next exit and loop back around to get to where you need to be. There is usually no need to panic when something like that happens. Again, inexperience.

I'm upset that this event happened when it could have been prevented but my prayers still go out to the families.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: June 18, 2007 08:58AM

You must not be THAT experienced... plenty of exits in this area provide no opportunity for "looping back around".

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Holden McCrank ()
Date: June 18, 2007 09:06AM

"That is part of the new intersection ramp on the mixing bowl. It is poorly marked... "

WTF? What do you people need, neon signs pointing you in the right direction? Hel-LO!!! Don't they teach signage in Drivers' Ed anymore? The big green signs that say there's an exit coming up in n miles have a little sign on top of them giving the exit number. If the little sign is aligned with the left edge of the sign, then the exit will be to the left; if it's aligned to the right, the exit'll be on the right. That's a well-marked intersection, with a long visible approach where you can SEE the off-ramp (unless you're tailgating the guy in front of you).

But there's a better way to avoid accidents like these, instead of blaming the signage...If you miss your turn, TAKE THE FUCKING PENALTY!!! Don't go racing across lanes of traffic, making illegal turns, doing stupid shit, speeding up. You wait til your next opportunity, turn around legally (in this case, take the next exit and come back around), and try again. Don't make me pay for your incompetence. You miss a turn, you take the hit.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: . ()
Date: June 18, 2007 09:08AM

RESton Peace, I've driven more highway miles than you ever will. There is ALWAYS a way back, you just have to be slow down, be patient, collect your thoughts and find the way. Panicking will never help. I guess then you are saying that what the girls did by cutting across was the correct method? Tell me, what should they have done? It's my belief they shouldn't have even been on that road, in those conditions, especially if they were unfamiliar with the highway. All the signage in the world would not have helped if you have 4 young girls in high spirits, most likely chatting away, not paying attention. Driver inexperience, and quite possibly alcohol, were the problem here.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: June 18, 2007 09:27AM

Yes, being arrogant and making assertions regarding things you don't have any ability to know tells me you must really be someone to emulate. You are just so fucking sage.

I never said what they did was the right thing, I am saying you are an asshole for coming on here and acting like your experience is unique and the things you are saying are not obvious, especially given that your point about turning around at the next exit was stupid advice.

"I've driven more highway miles than you ever will". Good god someone is proud of their career in trucking, an industry known for attracting the wisest individuals of the population at large.



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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: . ()
Date: June 18, 2007 09:38AM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> Yes, being arrogant and making assertions
> regarding things you don't have any ability to
> know tells me you must really be someone to
> emulate. You are just so fucking sage.
>
> I never said what they did was the right thing, I
> am saying you are an asshole for coming on here
> and acting like your experience is unique and the
> things you are saying are not obvious, especially
> given that your point about turning around at the
> next exit was stupid advice.
>
> "I've driven more highway miles than you ever
> will". Good god someone is proud of their career
> in trucking, an industry known for attracting the
> wisest individuals of the population at large.



Wow, this coming from the loudest loudmouth on the site. Is there anything you don't offer your opinion on? You chime in on every thread. I'm entitled to my opinion as much as you are, hero. My "assertions" are based upon facts learned through wisdom and experience. How do you know I don't know? Trucking? Not even close. Your ignorance is stunning.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Terrie ()
Date: June 18, 2007 10:03AM

As a parent of a recent grad and a 20 year old, I can't imagine the pain and sorrow that the families are feeling. I would like to comment on the drug-alcohol free graduation party. Here in the Monadnock Region of New Hampshire parents and students spend the senior year raising money for Project Grad. Project Grad starts with random breathalizers tests for students, guests and even chaperones at 8pm. The events ends with breakfast and prizes for all students attending. The incentive for the students to attend is the gifts that they receive. However, out of 44 students that just graduated with my daughter only 12 students attended Project Grad. It's true that class dues need to be paid, however, here dues must be paid to attend the Prom, so most students have already paid their dues. Something needs to be done to increase attendance of these drug and alchol free parties, to make them more fun and have even better gifts for those attending. Some of the postings on this forum seem to just want to point the finger, especially at Elaine, the driver. I just hope that the people looking for the "bad" in others are so very "pure" that they are above reproach. Does anyone know anyone above reproach? Not I! To Andrea and Richard, I am so sorry for your loss. Don't let the cruel people in this world make this time harder for you. Your daugther was so very beautiful and I'm sure that you are so very proud of her for so many things that she has done in her short life.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Karl F ()
Date: June 18, 2007 10:06AM

My son graduated from W. Potomac and attended the graduation party.

I am very sorry for your loss as well as the families of the West Potomac girls. I strongly favor the idea of an alcohol-free seniors' party and creating the type of conditions that would make it possible for all graduating seniors to attend.

This is the first I am hearing that senior dues and other costs made it problematic for some kids to attend the all night seniors' event. This is at a school where virtually all seniors drive to school. I'm questioning how much cost was a consideration in their attending or not.

I admire the guts it takes to put yourself on a site like this at such a time. I hope the passage of time helps take the edge off a pain that can never go away.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Informer ()
Date: June 18, 2007 10:14AM

From this sites' arrest list

"THACKSTON ","ELAINE ","M","019"," 4450","RIVANNA #4998 ","LA","FAIRFAX ","VA","05/04/2006","DWI ALCOHOL "

Address is a building on Patriot Circle at GMU.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: June 18, 2007 10:24AM

. Wrote:
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> All the signage
> in the world would not have helped

That's sexist.



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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: THACKED OUT ()
Date: June 18, 2007 10:26AM

"THACKSTON ","ELAINE ","M","019"," 4450","FFX JAIL","FAIRFAX ","VA","05/04/2006","DWI ALCOHOL " 2 TIME LOSER",

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: June 18, 2007 10:31AM

pwn3d.

The father made comments like "she's a great driver, yada yada" but this girl was 19 at the time of her arrest. It is possible the parents didn't know about it.

edit to add: from WTOP article.. "Nettie had recently celebrated her 20th birthday on May 7, and had just completed her sophomore year at George Mason University as a French major."

So that's definitely her. So for her 19th birthday party she got DWI'd.


edit again to add:

Someone on WTOP posted this in the comments, so she was in fact convicted of this:

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From VA's public court database:

Case Number: GT06098778-00 File Date: 05/08/06
Defendant: THACKSTON, ELAINE M. Sex: Female Race: White Caucasian (Non-Hispanic)
Address: FAIRFAX, VA 22030 DOB: 05/07/****
Charge: DRV AFTER ILLEGL CONSUME ALCOH Code Section: 18.2-266.1 Case Type: Misdemeanor
Amended Charge: Amended Code: Amended Case Type:
Offense Date: 05/04/06

Hearings
Number Date Hearing Result Continuance Code
01 06/28/06 Finalized

Final Disposition in District Court: Guilty Fines/Costs Date Paid: 06/28/06 Appeal Date (to Circuit Court):
Sentence Time: Sentence Suspension Time: Operator License Suspension Indicator: X
Fine: $100.00 Cost: $167.00
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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: TRICKIE ()
Date: June 18, 2007 10:34AM

Terrie,

I don't think any of us are being cruel here. We simply stated the facts. Obviously you must know this family and Elaine, the driver. How can you simply ignore the fact that she made some very critical mistakes last Thursday night? Instead of the father trying to place the blame elsewhere (the Beltway and the signs) he should direct his grieving and work for a change in behavior. Speak to young people about alcohol, excessive speed, and the use of seatbelts. Get the message out that these lives could have been saved of the girls' were more responsible. Instead, his comments appear to be the kind of comments that place the blame elsewhere. Perhaps his family attorney has given him some advice in case of a future lawsuit.

And Terrie, instead of also blamimg the cost of the all night grad party, that is way down on the list of priorities here. Since one of the "graduates" could not be fully participating in the WPHS activities, it appears the girls found another activity to attend.

Also regarding the father, if he is in so much grief at this time, why is he writing to chatboards, blogs and the media when most people in his position are relatively private while planning for a beloved child's funeral. There is something not quite right here. This is a discussion chatboard and we discuss what happens in Fairfax County. This accident has affected a lot of people both directly and indirectly. Most of us posting are hoping that it will not happen again because we could be on the road if it does.

Trickie

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: sal ()
Date: June 18, 2007 11:34AM

Wow, some of you are cruel. Yes a mistake was made but mistakes are made everyday, unfortunately this one was fatal. Who knows, one day something like this could happen to someone in your family. Its not a time to be a jerk, its a time to be sensible and come up with ways to prevent this from happening in the future.

Also it is not for anyone to question how the father grieves. We all grieve in our own way. We never know how we will act until we walk in those shoes.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Tia2 ()
Date: June 18, 2007 11:53AM

TRICKIE Wrote:
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> Terrie,
>
> I don't think any of us are being cruel here. We
> simply stated the facts. Obviously you must know
> this family and Elaine, the driver. How can you
> simply ignore the fact that she made some very
> critical mistakes last Thursday night? Instead of
> the father trying to place the blame elsewhere
> (the Beltway and the signs) he should direct his
> grieving and work for a change in behavior. Speak
> to young people about alcohol, excessive speed,
> and the use of seatbelts. Get the message out
> that these lives could have been saved of the
> girls' were more responsible. Instead, his
> comments appear to be the kind of comments that
> place the blame elsewhere. Perhaps his family
> attorney has given him some advice in case of a
> future lawsuit.
>
> And Terrie, instead of also blamimg the cost of
> the all night grad party, that is way down on the
> list of priorities here. Since one of the
> "graduates" could not be fully participating in
> the WPHS activities, it appears the girls found
> another activity to attend.
>
> Also regarding the father, if he is in so much
> grief at this time, why is he writing to
> chatboards, blogs and the media when most people
> in his position are relatively private while
> planning for a beloved child's funeral. There is
> something not quite right here. This is a
> discussion chatboard and we discuss what happens
> in Fairfax County. This accident has affected a
> lot of people both directly and indirectly. Most
> of us posting are hoping that it will not happen
> again because we could be on the road if it does.
>
>
> Trickie

Trickie,

Just a thought - Mr. Thackston may be posting here to honor his daughter.

The fact that he took the time to clarify "the drinking" issue while grieving for his loss is, in my opinion, his way of re-capturing some respect for his daughter while defending her integrity.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: June 18, 2007 12:10PM

how can the passengers be to blame? Unless one of them grabbed the wheel and yanked them into the other lane, or something.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: TRICKIE ()
Date: June 18, 2007 12:24PM

I also hope that with the reconstruction of this accident, investigators will look into how the girls acquired the alcohol since they were all underage. Hopefully, the surviving girl will be able to give them some information.

Trickie

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gore Inc. ()
Date: June 18, 2007 02:13PM

Any pics of the accident available?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepthePeace ()
Date: June 18, 2007 02:40PM

I was a good friend of Nettie's (Elaine)
and some of you are indeed being very cruel.
People make mistakes.
And sometimes they are fatal.
No one has the right to be arrogant and pretentious about it
and say anything about Nettie as a person.
It is tragic, yes
but at a time of such loss, how can some of you still find the time to create commentary on the subject and be so insensitive?
At a time when someone has been killed
how can you be preoccupied with your own curiosity or general speculation?
4 girls have died.
For now, the whys and hows do not matter as much.
We lost a great friend.
RIP Nettie, we miss you.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: June 18, 2007 07:07PM

I think we are all sorry her partying and driving while intoxicated caught up with her... unfortunately it affected many lives even after the legal system tried to intervene. RIP all of Nettie's friends and all affected as well.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 18, 2007 07:19PM

Terrie Wrote:
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> As a parent of a recent grad and a 20 year old, I
> can't imagine the pain and sorrow that the
> families are feeling. I would like to comment on
> the drug-alcohol free graduation party. Here in
> the Monadnock Region of New Hampshire parents and
> students spend the senior year raising money for
> Project Grad. Project Grad starts with random
> breathalizers tests for students, guests and even
> chaperones at 8pm.


here's an idea, pay the kids not to drink. i think a cool $100 for not getting torched would be nice. it's sounds like there are too many fucking idiots in New Hampshire. this case isnt even about alcohol.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 18, 2007 08:26PM

being fed up with not having a link, i found the article. so here it is. http://www.nbc4.com/news/13507941/detail.html?rss=dc&psp=news


Gore Inc. Wrote:
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> Any pics of the accident available?


sure, wtf, here they are. click for a larger and higher quality image. i merged them all into one big one. i left out some redundant image and just worthless ones you can see on the nbc site.

file.php?2,file=766


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Judy ()
Date: June 18, 2007 08:36PM

You have one fact incorrect ~ the beltway at that point is CLEARLY marked with at least three progressive signs ~ starting at least two miles ahead of the road split spaced approximately a half mile apart ~ it is by no means dangerous IF YOU ARE PAYING ATTENTION! (and I am not implying they weren't ~ I think they merely changed their minds at the last minute to go a different route. It's so sad!!

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Judy ()
Date: June 18, 2007 08:44PM

My deepest sympathies to you and your family and the families of all these beautiul young women!! I did not know them personally, (however, my children, also West Potomac Students) did know them and they tell me they were all wonderful young ladies!! I cried when I heard of your tradgedy, I cried for you, I cried for the students and friends who knew them, I cried for the lone survivor . . . Please know that you are in the thoughts and prayers of all us parents who could just as easily be walking in your shoes. May God grant you some measure of comfort as you grieve.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: VC ()
Date: June 18, 2007 08:57PM

This was graduation--most parents are heavily involved with their children's graduation. So I doubt that parents didn't know how their daughters planned to spend their evening.

Wearing seatbelts is something you're supposed to learn by the modeling of your parents. If parents are fussy about wearing seatbelts, like "it wrinkles my dress" or "makes me feel tied down," then their children won't develop the reflex that reaches for the seatbelt EVERY TIME, IN EVERY CAR. The survivor may have been the only one wearing one. That's not "youthful mistakes," that's bad driver ed on somebody's part.

And if the daughters lied to any one or more of at least eight parents (NH parents couldn't have known), then what does that say about trust between parent and child?

There needs to be more driver ed and more driver scaring. The parents of girls who "knew each other since childhood" and didn't know about Elaine's DUI just seem to me to be not paying attention. At some point one of EIGHT people could have watched that Cabriolet drive away, and it seems none of them saw anything wrong with five girls driving late at night to a nightclub instead of going to an alcohol-free event.

I don't think these girls were too poverty-stricken to attend the party. West Potomac is a prestigious high school in a good demographic. One was a cheerleader, almost all were popular. That doesn't happen to girls too poor for a school event.

V

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: duh ()
Date: June 18, 2007 10:11PM

I'm with Trickie...what grief stricken parent would seek out a site like this? How many threads would one have to read to see that some morons would say cruel things...like ONE, maybe?

But this is SO typical of modern society....nobody takes responsibily for anything. It was the highway's fault, my ass!

Okay now, anyone care to guess how many people will be killed trying to establish an illegal roadside memorial to these girls?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: trogdor! ()
Date: June 18, 2007 11:49PM

From looking at the pictures, even with seatbelts you'd probably be screwed. It's really amazing that one of them got out alive.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: June 19, 2007 01:04AM

VC Wrote:
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> instead
> of going to an alcohol-free event.


Heh, i seem to recall a few years back that a bunch of kids purposefully brought some beer into the aftergrad party at dave and busters i think as a late senior prank they said. Mount Vernon Hs maybe?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 19, 2007 01:47AM

i dont think they meant this but it seems apt. im sure ejection isnt fun.

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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Sed ()
Date: June 19, 2007 08:32AM

I'm horrified by people's jump to judgment in this case. I was not only Elaine "Nettie" Thackston's friend, I was her boss, at a job she excelled in and impressed me with every day. We all know--her friends, family, and co-workers--that Nettie had struggled earlier in life. But the girl who dot a DUI in 2006 and the girl who died on the beltway were two completely different people. Nettie had made huge strides in the past year, and had always been a caring, considerate, imaginative girl. My pride in her grew until the moment of her death, and continues to grow even beyond it.

The fact of the matter is, you have no idea whether Nettie or the other girls were drinking. And making that assumption doesn't help anyone--blaming the dead doesn't change a thing, doesn't bring anyone back. These inappropriate conclusions only hurt the family and friends who knew and loved these girls. Maybe instead of judging the dead on an internet web page, you should be mourning the loss of 4 young girls who had so much they never had the chance to offer the world. Spend your time calling the families and attending Memorials instead. Only he without sin can cast the first stone.

My sincerest sympathy goes out to all the families in Virginia, and to the Thackstons.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: June 19, 2007 09:13AM

> The fact of the matter is, you have no idea whether
> Nettie or the other girls were drinking.

Even if you were to argue they weren't drinking before hitting their destination, there was alcohol in the car and they were all underaged. They obviously didn't have bright-white, angelic intentions for the evening given they were breaking the law all the way up until the time of the accident. One can be caring and imaginative and still be a lawbreaker. Maybe if they hadn't stopped to get alcohol from somewhere they would have had more daylight to drive with, or perhaps wouldn't have been distracted by rattling bottles in the car and trying to keep them out of sight. The public is sad at the same time that it is outraged that underaged people put themselves in these situations. Who got them the alcohol? Did YOU buy it for them? Because someone over 21 bought them the alcohol. Who is asking those questions? Why isn't the father finding THAT person and pointing at them as part of the problem?


> Only he without sin can cast the first stone.

I think one problem is the father came out blasting VDOT for having improper signage that killed all these girls, and didn't bring up his daughter's DWI-related conviction less than one year earlier and totally discounted that their car was filled with alcohol and they were ALL underage. I wish he hadn't cast the first stone myself as his (I'll be generous here in respect to family) "incomplete" argument didn't help things and in fact fanned the controversy. He's a grieving father and assigning blame is certainly understandable, but I don't want to see him suing my state for bad signs when 1) they aren't bad at all if you are a normal driver who looks at signs miles ahead of an event and 2) his daughter was convicted of a DWI-related offense _less than a year ago_.

I'm not debating whether she was a nice person or had a nice full life ahead of her... all the girls did. But just because they were nice and angelic doesn't mean they didn't make mistakes that led to the accident. We're just pointing that out before all the lawsuits start flying.



As an aside, the media is racist. When the black lady went through the crowd of people in DC last month everyone said "drugs, alcohol, crazy" and then the story went away. In this case we have a few white teenage young women, in a car filled with booze, and the media doesn't bring up ANYWHERE that the driver had a previous arrest and conviction. The only way I have seen that this has been publicized on any large public forum is the WTOP comments in the article, where people were posting things like "WTF, why are individuals pointing out this fact and ALL the news outlets suppressing it?"



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/19/2007 01:31PM by pgens.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: June 19, 2007 09:28AM

ben Wrote:
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>
>
> Just to your second point;
>
> How much does it cost to participate in an all
> night grad party now? You have to have paid your
> schools dues, and then buy a ticket. I'm guessing
> the total between those items is over $120. At 17
> I couldn't afford it, and I didn't expect my
> parents to pay that extortion to my high school
> for a party I would have been miserable at. I
> found better things to do on the eve of my
> graduation. So did all of my friends.


Well, i dont remember the amount but it was like $10.. (although mine wasnt at ESPN zone - it was at some crap place with an ice skating rink)..

And yes, they do suck.. I did as much as I could the first hour.. then spent like 2 hours trying to find a way out.. then got out (back door in the ice-rink in case anyone has one there soon).. then got pot, smoked it all, drove back to pick up my other friends, and went home.. no alcohol needed :)

aparantly the friend that I left with won 2 tickets to kings dominion or something.. *shrug*


Sed Wrote:
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> But the girl who dot a
> DUI in 2006 and the girl who died on the beltway
> were two completely different people. Nettie had
> made huge strides in the past year, and had always
> been a caring, considerate, imaginative girl. My
> pride in her grew until the moment of her death,
> and continues to grow even beyond it.

subsitute DUI with underage possession & open container, substitute died with not died, nettie with bdimag, girl with guy, her with his.. and you got me! but I still drink & drive (responsibly)...

so why not her? (and I'm not saying thats the case)



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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Tia2 ()
Date: June 19, 2007 11:29AM

You people who think you have the right to pass judgement should think twice.

I'm sure that we have all done something in our past that we will never do again, regret having done, or "learned the lesson" and choose never to bring it up or discuss it.

Give these kids a break and more importantly, give the people who knew them some room to grieve the way they choose. Whether it's posting on this forum or screaming at the top of their lungs...stop passing judgement on them and just "Let It Be"!

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: DP ()
Date: June 19, 2007 12:08PM

As a parent of a West Potomac graduate on Thursday, I am horrified by what happened. i did not let my child attend the school sponsored party because it took place in a bar in D.C. Poor planning on the school and parents part in my opinion. Also on the way to the graduation ceremony at the Patriot center, we were tailgated from just west of Van dorn through the Springfield interchange by a truck. The passengers in the back of my Matrix said they could feel the rumbling engine behind us. I was in the far right lane, which then became umarked where 95 south passes over. I have lived here all my life, the "mixing bowl always was and always will be dangerous. the beltway was not designed to handle todays traffic, the signage has always been poor, still is... Too much distance between signs. When I took drivers ed, we got our beltway experience from telegraph to Van dorn exits, why our instructor said it was too dangerous to go any further.
As far as clubs go some will let you in if youre under 21 and stamp your hand. Supposedly so you cannot be served at the bar Another stupid rule, I guess.

My thoughts and prayers are with all the families, including the driver of the truck.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: June 19, 2007 12:15PM

I doubt they even had alcohol available to ANYONE at that school sponsored HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION party..

but ok..

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: June 19, 2007 12:21PM

Tia2 Wrote:
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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: LauraW ()
Date: June 19, 2007 12:26PM

Mr. Thackston-
I almost hope that you never read what I am writing, just for the simple fact that you would also not be reading the massive amounts of insensitivity and ignorance that has been posted on this site. I was once a good friend of your daughter Annie, and still consider her such, eventhough we have lost touch. I know how wonderful Annie is and how much she loved her sister. And I am truely sorry for your loss and know that nothing anyone says will lessen the pain you and your family are feeling. But please know that the thoughts and prayers of people who know and care about your family are with you today and in the coming days and from here on out. God bless your family during this trying time.
~all my thoughts and prayers
Laura Wolpert

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Mr. J. ()
Date: June 19, 2007 05:49PM

A lot of mistakes were made that night; most of the mistakes were the results of poor decisions. The first poor decision was to allow someone to drive who shouldn't have been driving. The second mistake was to allow alcohol into the car; whether or not alcohol was being used. The next mistake was to be in a hurry. Then, driver made a poor a lane-change decision when she should have just accepted the fact that she was in the wrong lane and should proceed to the next appropriate exit.

That stretch of the beltway is well-marked. I drive the very same piece of the beltway every day. Of course, late at night, lack of driving experience, the influence of alcohol, poor decision-making and a sense of urgency probably contributed to a situation with outcomes that could only be unfortunate.

I hope other young folks are paying attention rather than trying to find fault where fault does not belong.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: acidbyt3 ()
Date: June 19, 2007 06:35PM

Fairfaxunderground mentioned on NBC 4 news, at 6:00

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Observer ()
Date: June 19, 2007 07:46PM

It is very suspicous that the first time the DWI conviction of the driver was just reported on channel 4. And they had to cite Fairfaxunderground when an intern could have turned up this information days ago. It has also not been reported that one of the girls had two ID's in her purse. One legal and the second a fake ID making her old enough to buy alcohol. This came from an authoritative source.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Linda ()
Date: June 19, 2007 08:50PM

With or without alcohol, the Beltway is a mess to drive on. Driving back from the West Potomac graduation at the Patriot Center, I was worried about my just-graduated son who was trailing behind.

I've lived here my whole life and it has only gotten worse. Add some young, inexperienced drivers with some split-second decisions, and I am terrified for them.

My son was on his way to the all-night graduation party (yes, $65 plus $100 senior fees) but instead had to drive to the hospital and await word.

God bless them all. I still cry to think about them only a few weeks ago as they all assembled for the prom photos. They were beautiful young ladies inside and out.

Please be kind to each other, there is much to grieve here and answers are not always easy to come by.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: ya ()
Date: June 19, 2007 11:36PM

Maybe next time they wont be stupid and drink. Oh wait, there wont be a next time. Well for anyone who wants to live, please dont drink and drive.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: thank heaven for 0h7 ()
Date: June 19, 2007 11:46PM

I was friends with two of the girls in the accident. Both were very beautiful and smart girls, and loved by everyone who knew them. But people if you have nothing nice to say, don't say it all. The investigation is still undergoing, only the people who witnessed the accident and were in it actaully know what occured. Don't judge without even knowing the facts especially if your going to say something rude!

God Bless!

Please everyone lets try to use more caution when driving and be a little bit more safer!

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Judy ()
Date: June 19, 2007 11:55PM

The one who got out alive, Jenna, was the ONLY ONE WEARING A SEATBELT!!

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: June 20, 2007 08:35AM

Judy Wrote:
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> The one who got out alive, Jenna, was the ONLY ONE
> WEARING A SEATBELT!!


Who says? It isn't impossible to be ejected from a car if you are belted. Just because the survivor was belted doesn't mean she was the only one belted.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: June 20, 2007 09:33AM

id say its pretty easy to be thrown out/fall out of the car when it flips upside down

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: trogdor! ()
Date: June 20, 2007 01:07PM

"id say its pretty easy to be thrown out/fall out of the car when it flips upside down"

Not to mention when the roof of the car collapses. Steve Titunic, Virginia Department of Transportation spokesman for the Springfield Interchange Project was quoted as saying:

"Three young women were ejected from the vehicle. Two remained in the vehicle. One was alive and taken from the vehicle"

So one other person remained in the vehicle and was also killed. Do we know for sure the survivor was wearing a seatbelt? I don't recall any of the news stories mentioning who was or was not wearing a seat belt.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: trogdor! ()
Date: June 20, 2007 01:10PM

Oh and look, News 4 is now reporting the prior DUI:

"News4 has learned that the driver of the vehicle, Thackston, had been arrested once before for drinking and driving"

Yeah, well Fairfax Underground readers learned that 5 days ago. Also, the VA State Police spokesperson said:

"Just because we found alcohol in the vehicle certainly does not mean anybody had consumed alcohol."

...interesting.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: June 20, 2007 01:22PM

aahh true, they could have got it for going to some party afterwards. And it wasnt open either. is it legal to have unopend alcohol? in your car if you're under 21?
What was it i said about bringing beer to the school after grad party?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 20, 2007 06:11PM

KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> is it legal to have unopend alcohol in your car
> if you're under 21?


yes, if you are in control of the car, you posses it's items. i mean, is it illegal to have a kilo of weed in the trunk if it isnt yours?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: June 20, 2007 06:29PM

well i suppose if you could prove that someone else put it in there and you didnt know about it.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Date: June 20, 2007 07:16PM

The first time I traveled that same stretch of I-495, it seemed odd that the South bound I-95 exit is on the left hand side. But, you have to pay attention to the 5 (five) highway overhead billboard signs to know which lanes travel south. After taking this route a few dozen times, I have found that those 5 (five) signs are 25 miles before the actual I-95 South exit. There is a 6th (sixth) sign indicating that I-95 South is a left hand exit 40 miles beforehand.

I frequently see commuters swerve in and out of the exit lanes at the last moment, since they obviously haven’t been paying attention to the large signs. Are you one of the commuters who only see the LAST overhead billboard sign which is only 5 miles before I-95 South and I-495 split?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: June 21, 2007 10:31AM

for a sec i thought you said 25 miles..

I like how it used to be, like 3 years ago... or even 3 months ago.. now its wacky as shit..

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: yeah ()
Date: June 21, 2007 11:05AM

yeah why can't they just put it all back the way it was.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: duh ()
Date: June 21, 2007 12:30PM

Three of the girls were in the yesterday's Post obituaries...they're being buried tomorrow.

What a waste...beautiful girls gone because of a missed highway exit....they could have turned around at Braddock Rd...what would it have cost them? 10-15 minutes? Instead it cost them 60 or 70 YEARS...

It amazes me how people around here risk life and limb to save a few seconds or minutes....you see it every day. Some of 'em lose the gamble...

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: June 21, 2007 01:03PM

duh Wrote:
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> It amazes me how people around here risk life and
> limb to save a few seconds or minutes....you see
> it every day. Some of 'em lose the gamble...

I am sure you have never done that yourself... never run a yellow light to save the three minutes, never scooted in behind the last car to enter the intersection on a left-hand turn to save time even though technically you ran the red. Never passed a car that was going the speed limit on any highway. How perfect a teacher you are, please tell us more Sensei.
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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: June 21, 2007 01:44PM

i cant stand the fuckers that jump into the incoming merge lane on the highway in dead traffic just to get up about 5 cars...

I (very safely) pretend like im gonna do the same as theyre doing it so theyre like BRAKE WTF and then I laugh... gets me through rush hour...

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: duh ()
Date: June 21, 2007 03:16PM

pgens Wrote:
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> duh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It amazes me how people around here risk life
> and
> > limb to save a few seconds or minutes....you
> see
> > it every day. Some of 'em lose the gamble...
>
> I am sure you have never done that yourself...
> never run a yellow light to save the three
> minutes, never scooted in behind the last car to
> enter the intersection on a left-hand turn to save
> time even though technically you ran the red.
> Never passed a car that was going the speed limit
> on any highway. How perfect a teacher you are,
> please tell us more Sensei.


No, I don't run lights.

And I love when you asshole speed racers, despite all kinds of reckless shit, get caught at the next light...just like me...or even better when the next light turns green just as I get there....and you've been sitting there for precious minutes!

It's my fervent hope that gas gets to 10 bucks a gallon,...or more....or whatever it takes to slow the assholes down....or onto Metro.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: June 21, 2007 04:27PM

rawr

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: June 21, 2007 04:49PM

duh Wrote:
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> It's my fervent hope that gas gets to 10 bucks a
> gallon,...or more....or whatever it takes to slow
> the assholes down....or onto Metro.

Great short-sighted solution. Tell us how Metro is going to operate its bus fleet at $10/gallon.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: leisa briggs ()
Date: June 22, 2007 01:08AM

I am her second cousin and i am now getting to know her through reading about her that is truly sad...I dont really know her Dad that well (Richard Thackston) never knew him by Dick. Only met him when i was a teenager a couple of times. I love my Aunt her Grand mom and miss her. i have lived in Va. now for four years. I live in C-Ville (Yup next to UVA famed for their drinking) what i dont get is how parents and kids today seem to think it is ok to drink and drive at all or even party like that?(not saying my cuz did or her dad did or not cause i dont know) I get drunk way to easy so i just dont drink a glass or two unless i am at home and not going anywhere. We really need to educate kids and parents today more about why the Supposed boring after school party's for graduation or prom's are not a better outlet than the drinking kind cause ohh i dunno they are HEALTHIER! all the way around. Make the best of them is what we should be telling them that the time spent together is what matters not where? A club whether it was a night of non drinking or drinking... i dunno i just think the school party should have been enough and a safer choice (my daughters was fun and inexpensive i dont know why theirs was ridiculously exp. maybe they should have had it at their high school) My daughter just graduated from a large High school 1,749 students is not small and it was a nice graduation at John Paul Jones new basketball arena. her Prom was at the double tree and the after prom party was at the high school with games,prizes and DJ it also was an all night after prom party. I do live in an affluent area also and we did not have to spend that kind of money for a after grad party or after prom party. Dont start on the affluent kids and parents either. because the Rich and not so rich kids and parents are just as irresponsible at times and they all seem to think today that it is ok to drink your way through college. The Beltway does Suck...i agree with that 100% and the northern Va. traffic. i am glad i do not have to deal with it but, people that do! need to pay attention. Especially if there are allot of signs or a lack of them traffic is traffic and there are other cars and trucks on the highway. Even if she was an experienced driver she was young and did make a mistake. It was one that allot of people do every day unfortunately her and her friends paid with their lives. seat belts do work ask my kids. they wore theirs in a friends car (not mine) a few years ago and was in an accident my son got the brunt of it he was in the back seat when the car struck there and he is alive today because of it (i was glad to know he wore it even in other peoples cars not just ours) you should wear one too. They arent full proof though but, they do make a BIG difference. i agree with some people who made the observation that WE DONT HAVE ALL THE FACTS ABOUT THE SEAT BELT ISSUE. Pertaining to their car accident. My prayers are with all the families as well and my cousin and my very sweet sweet aunt whom i think Nettie Looked Like. i only saw a picture of her when she was little and now that she had grown up she definetly reminds me of my Aunt her grandmom. Love you all if your reading this .Keep your kids safe people educate them alchohol is not the only way to have fun and try to keep them local when celebrating. why deal with a highway like that if you dont have to.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 22, 2007 01:41AM

leisa briggs Wrote:
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> They arent full proof though but, they do
> make a BIG difference. i agree with some people
> who made the observation that WE DONT HAVE ALL THE
> FACTS ABOUT THE SEAT BELT ISSUE.


i can only think of three reasons a person can ejected from a car in a car wreck: 1) not wearing seatbelt 2) not wearing seltbelt properly (including it doesnt fit a small child) 3) the seat itself leaves the car... with them in it.

im willing to put $300 down on a bet that all of those that were ejected were not wearing seatbelts. anyone care to counter?


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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Cabrio owner ()
Date: June 22, 2007 06:56AM

The way those girls were bounced around, according to this http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=83489&paper=0&cat=109
I could believe (I own a VW Cabrio, the car the girls were in) they had seatbelts on and were still ejected from the car.
There are airbags in the sides of the 2 front seats (also in the steering wheel and in the passenger side of the dash). I believe it could be possible that the force of those airbags could have 1) broken a seatbelt, ejecting one or both of the passengers in the front seat, or 2) ejected a seat with the passenger still buckled in. The third possibility is that due to the seatbelts for the front passengers being attached to the roll bar, if the roll bar comes off the car from an impact either from the force of the airbag or being slammed against the concrete wall and being flipped over, there goes your seatbelt protection.

There was however, one girl that could not have possibly been buckled in and that would be whoever was the middle passenger in the backseat. The car only has 4 seatbelts.

What caught my attention in the above linked article was the comment 'Nettie had 90% hearing loss' am I reading and processing that statement correctly?
Because now it makes a whole lot more sense why she couldn't hear a semi coming right up next to her before veering in front of it.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: ELag ()
Date: June 22, 2007 03:48PM

I just want to put out there that all of you who want to sit around and bad mouth any of these girls, should shut your mouths and stop typing. You most likely didnt know any of them. I personally only had chance to know one of them and loved her dearly. Like a sister. And now she is not here to call and say hi, to wave, or to do anything for that matter. You are ridiculous.

Everybody makes mistakes in their lifetime. I have and I am sure you have. Nettie was a wonderful person and just because she got a DUI back in 2006 does not mean that she is/was the same person that day. As a matter of fact, the car was not filled with booze. There was one bottle. And there was no alcohol whatsoever in any of the girls systems. So what gives you the right to even mention that?

You need to step back and think of how you would feel if any of these girls were yours or your friends. Or even if you knew them. How would you feel? I know how I feel and I know how the families and friends of all of these girls feel.

To have you and all of the others, who have no prior knowledge of any of these girls, on here posting blogs, is ridiculous. I hope after reading this you can learn to be an adult and keep your rude remarks to yourself. You have no idea who you have hurt more than they were hurting.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: ELag ()
Date: June 22, 2007 03:49PM

The seat belt may have saved the girls, maybe not. Why put a wager on it? Why bet?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: June 22, 2007 04:01PM

Becuase we never met any of them, dont know them, and we are all assholes. That is why.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: June 22, 2007 05:19PM

ELag Wrote:
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> As a matter of fact, the car was not filled
> with booze. There was one bottle.

Ah... so what they were doing was only a little illegal. Sounds okay... kind of like knifing someone shouldn't carry a murder charge but shooting them should.



> And there was no
> alcohol whatsoever in any of the girls systems. So
> what gives you the right to even mention that?

The toxicology report hasn't been publicized... you may end up being right but don't lecture us on "facts" if they haven't been released. And the "right" isn't yours to give or take away. If a road fatality occurs when the driver was KNOWN to have a DWI-related conviction less than one year prior AND alcohol was found in the car, it stands to reason that people will wonder if alcohol was involved. Wouldn't you?


> To have you and all of the others, who have no
> prior knowledge of any of these girls, on here
> posting blogs, is ridiculous. I hope after reading
> this you can learn to be an adult and keep your
> rude remarks to yourself.

Most of the posts have to do with expressing sadness that these lives were lost because of either 1) driver inattention or 2) alcohol. What could possibly be more adult than analyzing why someone was killed and hopefully come to conclusions that may avoid this fate for others? This is a public news story and as such warrants public comments.



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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: TRICKIE ()
Date: June 22, 2007 05:25PM

Yes Elag, when was the toxicology report finished? Just wondered. We are not being cruel.

Trickie

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: duh ()
Date: June 22, 2007 07:55PM

This stuff has been going on as long as there have been cars.

The problem is teenagers think (and always have) they are invincible...it CAN'T happen to them. I work with teens and I'd bet 99% of them, if they reacted at all, it would be to laugh at what happened to these girls. Their deaths will have ZERO affect on them....safe driving just ain't cool! Hey, I was as bad as any of them...I once got my '59 Rambler up to 80 mph on Four Year Run (Annandale High).

Be at any high school student parking lot when the final bell rings....take cover though...you will see some wild shit!

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Megan ()
Date: June 23, 2007 05:00PM

You people make me sick. I don't understand how any of you can sit in the comfort of your own homes sedistically tearing apart the life of a dead person. Does it give you some twisted satisfaction? Can someone please explain it to me. So for future reference all of you who feel like adding your 2 cents in how stupid or careless young people might be please take into consideration who else might be reading this, in fact what if you were reading this about your own child, sister, or friend...it wouldn't be so easy to pass judgement, would it? Maybe some sense of compassion for the families and friends of these young lives lost would be a bit more sensible.

R.I.P Nettie we love you.

My deepest sympathies to the families of the other girls

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: June 23, 2007 05:29PM

Speaking only for myself, yes, tearing apart the actions of dead people does give me twisted satisfaction. Just regular old satisfaction is so boring these days.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: angelus42774 ()
Date: June 25, 2007 03:08PM

I think it is just a sore subject truckin, i do not think he meant it personal. The comment you made could have be taken off on the wrong angle, or dismissive. I for one am tell my kids they are not driving until they are 21. What the hell were my parents thinking giving me a license @ 16?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: June 25, 2007 04:11PM

jsut so you know, VA law allows one to get a learners permit w/o parental permission at age 19.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 25, 2007 04:39PM

angelus42774 Wrote:
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> I for one am tell my kids they are
> not driving until they are 21.


and they will be worse drivers because of it.


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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: sensible driver ()
Date: June 25, 2007 07:05PM

ELag Wrote:
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> I just want to put out there that all of you who
> want to sit around and bad mouth any of these
> girls, should shut your mouths and stop typing.
> You most likely didnt know any of them. I
> personally only had chance to know one of them and
> loved her dearly. Like a sister. And now she is
> not here to call and say hi, to wave, or to do
> anything for that matter. You are ridiculous.

Nah, actually you don't have to know the girl at all to know that she made an obviously stupid mistake. It would have been stupid even if it wasn't fatal. I haven't seen anyone on here tearing anyone's life apart or whatever you said. All people are really doing, I think, is trying to expose this as a lesson because most people around here suck at driving. These are facts. I'm sure she was of great moral character even though she got DUIs and rode around with alcohol. OK. Kind of irrelevant, she still made a costly choice. It is sad, but I don't think people are trying to make light of her mistakes--at least I hope not

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: June 25, 2007 07:07PM

agreed, less years of experience driving.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: digweed ()
Date: June 25, 2007 11:27PM

Please, parents, if you don't teach your kids anything else about driving, teach them 1) to wear their seatbelts and 2) that if they miss their exit to just keep going and U-turn later.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: digweed ()
Date: June 25, 2007 11:32PM

http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=1169283
""There are so many decisions coming at the driver and it's coming at 75 [mph] or more an hour....it's overwhelming. You need to be a fighter jet pilot to get through there and understand what you're doing," he says."
If it's coming at 75 mph or more you're doing 20 mph or more over the speed limit.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: June 26, 2007 05:57AM

digweed Wrote:
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> http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=11692
> 83
> ""There are so many decisions coming at the driver
> and it's coming at 75 or more an hour....it's
> overwhelming. You need to be a fighter jet pilot
> to get through there and understand what you're
> doing," he says."
> If it's coming at 75 mph or more you're doing 20
> mph or more over the speed limit.

As posted before, this was a quote from the father who lives in another state. The signs guiding drivers where these girls were going start miles in advance. So yes, if you choose to ignore sings until you get to the mixing bowl then it will be harder to navigate. I'm not saying the mixing bowl is as easy as some highway in Nebraska, but that statement probably sets the stage for some kind of lawsuit. IF what he said were true we'd have forty accidents a day there.

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Driver of car on arrest list for June 5
Posted by: TRICKIE ()
Date: June 28, 2007 06:19AM

I just checked over the arrest list from a few weeks ago since it is downloaded on Wed. night. (Thanks for the link, Cary) Elaine Thackston again was nabbed by cops for speeding on June 4. It gives her address as Troy, NH. She was in a 25moh zone going 40 to 45. What date was the accident? Has the toxicology report ever been published. It seems her friends who have been posting here seem to have seen evidence of no alcohol but I would like to know what has come out of the police department.



Trickie

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: June 28, 2007 06:50AM

The accident was June 14, I believe. The toxicology report hasn't been released to any press sources I follow. Then again they seem to get their news bites from here.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: TRICKIE ()
Date: June 28, 2007 06:54AM

Great! Maybe they will mention Fairfax Underground again. They even showed my name on TV. I was thrilled.

Trickie

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: June 28, 2007 06:55AM

An article published yesterday mentions the speeding ticket:

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=83772&paper=0&cat=122

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: SRE ()
Date: June 28, 2007 08:41AM

From the published article:
At 10 p.m. on a weekday evening this is still a very busy stretch of highway. Though the speed limit is posted at 60, the traffic moves at 75 miles-per-hour or more.

When did the speed limit on the beltway go up to 60?

Also from the article:
Richard Petkoff, whose daughter Lydia died in the crash, said he is most concerned about large trucks being on the road with cars.

Yea....... Right...... it's not the fault of the girls, it is because of the "large trucks". I read somewhere (a while ago.... need to look up the statistics) that over ~80% of all accidents involving a "large truck" and a private auto have been determined to be the fault of the private auto.

I guess Richard is right! Maybe large trucks should not be on the road with cars. Get those silly cars off of the roads so the trucks can get from point "A" to "Zed" without the safety issue of dealing with the cars!

Richard, I guess you will not be driving on the roads that the large trucks drive on... After all, that is what you are "most concerned about". Rather than point the blame somewhere else, do something about it.

For some reason I doubt that Richard Petkoff will stop driving on the same roads as the "large trucks".

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: duh ()
Date: June 28, 2007 11:46PM

"... On June 5 of this year Thackston was charged with speeding and a hearing had been set for July 27."

Mmmm...tough way to beat a ticket.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Maxi ()
Date: July 03, 2007 09:11PM

To those of you who have used this site for there own benefit, you sicken me. How does it help the families of these young women to denegrate everything that they did that night? They are gone from us forever, no smart remarks, speculations,or "insights" ae going to bring them back. Can't we wait until the young women who lived tells what really happened? How's that for some common sense?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: July 03, 2007 09:18PM

You're right, of course, Maxi... there has been zero insight here about how these girls were at giving bj's.

Of course, if the answer is "like they drive", then it's a non-starter.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: July 03, 2007 09:22PM

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: July 04, 2007 04:39AM

Maxi Wrote:
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> To those of you who have used this site for there
> own benefit, you sicken me.


yes, why try to turn something bad into something good when we can just ignore it!


> How does it help the
> families of these young women to denegrate
> everything that they did that night?


how does the manufacturing of new cars help the family? it doesnt but their isnt a direct corollary between the two.


> They are gone
> from us forever, no smart remarks, speculations,or
> "insights" ae going to bring them back.


speaking of futility, your post is futile.


> Can't we wait until the young women who lived tells
> what really happened? How's that for some common sense?


yes, yes, ignore evidence and probability as to what exactly happened and just take her word for it. so i guess you believe robert isnt meade as you just have to take robert's word that it's not him despite the damning evidence.


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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Sam ()
Date: July 04, 2007 11:53AM

I knew everyone of those girls and you always hear of horror stories from gradution nite or grad week, but when you walk across the stage early that day with two of them and hung with all of them the nite before garduation. May they all rest in peace and please speak easy about my friends. Nettie, the driver isnt in the picture, renee is on the left lyd in the middle, sarah on the rite, rip. And it brings me so much happiness to see jena, the only survivour. Shes doing much better if anyone wondered. And please everyone dont drink and drive and for the grad party comments kids were not hyped up to go and no one really wanted to in my graduating class, including naynay and lyd. Please just send your love to there families
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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: TRICKIE ()
Date: July 04, 2007 01:16PM

Dear Sam,

Yes it is very sad to see the lives of three beautiful and promising young women snuffed out so soon and so suddenly. I think everyone in the area shares the sorrow of your entire community for the loss of these lives. I was very happy to hear that Jena was out of the hospital and I hope her parents can help her as she deals with this tragedy.

I admire you for reminding us all to not drink and drive. This is an important message to leave with everyone who reads about this. Yes that section of the beltway can be dangerous. Yes the speeds are often way too fast for safety and for a quick response. But this accident was avoidable. Now nothing can bring those souls back to their loved ones. My hope is that the friends and the families can ease their grief by helping to generate the much needed message of safe driving. Perhps a scholarship at West Potomac or george Mason could be established.

May time ease your pain and thank you for providing a photo of the girls.

Trickie

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: K.L. ()
Date: July 06, 2007 04:30PM

Judgmental,

I think you should take back all of your accusations,
4 young lives that were all valuable were lost, not just 3!
No one is perfect, we all make mistakes.
Just learn from this sad tragedy.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: duh ()
Date: July 06, 2007 05:56PM

K.L. Wrote:
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> Judgmental,
>
> I think you should take back all of your
> accusations,
> 4 young lives that were all valuable were lost,
> not just 3!
> No one is perfect, we all make mistakes.
> Just learn from this sad tragedy.

What's to learn? Don't swerve wildly because you missed, or took the wrong exit? I already knew that.

But it is indeed a tragedy.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: July 07, 2007 03:45AM

K.L. Wrote:
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> No one is perfect, we all make mistakes.


speak for yourself, jerkface.  ^_^


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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: July 08, 2007 09:44PM

wow gravis, you didnt say anthing about the picture of the 3 girls above.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: July 09, 2007 01:58PM

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=25&sid=1183829

July 9, 2007 - 12:13pm - Neal Augenstein, WTOP Radio

Truck's Speed Did Not Cause Fatal Accident

WASHINGTON - The crash that killed four young women on a Capital Beltway ramp last month was caused by an improper lane change by the driver of the Volkswagen Cabriolet, according to a Virginia State Police accident report.

Before it pulled into the path of a tractor trailer, police say the convertible was traveling 10 mph on the Inner Loop's left split exit ramp for Interstate 95 South.

Police say the truck was traveling 60 mph in the 50 mph zone. Investigators concluded the truck's speed was not the cause of the accident.

The crash killed the driver Elaine "Nettie" Minnette, 20, of Troy, N.H.; Lydia Petkoff, 18, of Mount Vernon, Va.; Sarah Renee Carter, 19, of Mount Vernon, Va.; and Renee Nicole Shelkin, 18, of Mount Vernon, Va. Another 17-year-old girl was seriously injured.

The June 14 accident occurred shortly before 11 p.m. and just hours after Petkoff and Shelkin graduated from West Potomac High School.

It's still not clear whether the women were drinking before they were killed. The toxicology have not yet been released.

Police still don't know how the young women got the variety of alcohol they had in the car. Sources tell WTOP no receipts were found.

(Copyright 2007 by WTOP. All Rights Reserved.)

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: July 09, 2007 02:10PM

Interesting facts in the WTOP piece... the car was going 10mph and the words "variety of alcohol in the car." That departs from the original story that said there was a single bottle of vodka in the trunk.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: July 09, 2007 04:32PM

10MPH? nice, my guess is that she did one of those classic "oh shit, i dont want this exit" moves where they stop, go into reverse and then proceed forward to go the other way. sounds like that car could have used a bit more horsepower in order to get up to speed.


KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> wow gravis, you didnt say anthing about the
> picture of the 3 girls above.


they were hot, it's a shame they are dead but these things happen though it's always horrible when it does happen. it could be worse, we could all be in baghdad where lots and lots of civilians are senselessly killed by terrorists all the time and sometimes accidentally by us.


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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: July 09, 2007 04:37PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> it could be worse, we could
> all be in baghdad where lots and lots of civilians
> are senselessly killed by terrorists all the time
> and sometimes accidentally by us.

In those terms, it _is_ worse. The US suffers around 45,000 traffic deaths a year. That beats the number of Iraqi civilian deaths by almost 50% on an annual basis since the invasion (100,000 in first three years in Iraq vs 130,000-135,000 traffic fatalities in three years in the US).



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Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: July 09, 2007 05:34PM

pgens Wrote:
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> In those terms, it _is_ worse. The US suffers
> around 45,000 traffic deaths a year. That beats
> the number of Iraqi civilian deaths by almost 50%
> on an annual basis since the invasion (100,000 in
> first three years in Iraq vs 130,000-135,000
> traffic fatalities in three years in the US).


how about per capita? i think that's a more accurate measure.


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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Judy ()
Date: July 11, 2007 06:12PM

Regarding your comment about the media being racist against the blak woman who drove her car through the crowd at the DC street festival last month, because everyone said "drugs, alcohol, crazy" and then the story went away. I think that it wasn't racist that they said what they said, it had more to do with the fact that they pulled a lit crack pipe out of her mouth when they finally got her stopped . . .

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: July 11, 2007 09:54PM

Crack doesn't stay lit that long. I call bullshit on that.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: July 11, 2007 10:10PM

That plus the media didn't report that, if it wasn't bullshit.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: July 12, 2007 11:38AM

in regard to the story about the black woman who drove into a crowd: seriously, im not concerned if it was a racist story or not, she fucking drove into a crowd!


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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Hmm ()
Date: July 14, 2007 02:00PM

bdimag Wrote:
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> I doubt they even had alcohol available to ANYONE
> at that school sponsored HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION
> party..
>
> but ok..

There sure was at mine. Granted, it was out in the woods, not at ESPNZone, and they bused us there (wouldn't let us drive -- I think the kids were bused to this one too?), but there was alcohol and lots of it. Ours wasn't technically school-SPONSORED, but really, the way they set it up, it may as well have been -- it was sanctioned if not sponsored.

Just saying.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: trogdor! ()
Date: July 14, 2007 11:46PM

So where are those toxicology reports?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Christyy ()
Date: July 17, 2007 09:59AM

Hey everyone

I didn’t know all the girls in the crash but I did know Nettie Thackston. Nettie was a counselor at my camp and she was probably one of the most funny, joyful, and friendly leaders that I knew. She taught us how to wood burn and shoot rifles along with how to be kind, caring, and responsible young adults. Her lively spirit will be greatly missed at camp but even though she may have left this world I know she will never leave our hearts.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Maggie ()
Date: July 23, 2007 12:32PM

Have the tox reports been made public?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: July 26, 2007 12:53PM

Hmm Wrote:
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>
> There sure was at mine. Granted, it was out in
> the woods, not at ESPNZone, and they bused us
> there (wouldn't let us drive -- I think the kids
> were bused to this one too?), but there was
> alcohol and lots of it. Ours wasn't technically
> school-SPONSORED, but really, the way they set it
> up, it may as well have been -- it was sanctioned
> if not sponsored.
>
> Just saying.


my point was that... if a school is paying to rent out ESPNZone for a highschool grad party - being a business - they can get into way more shit then its worth serving the minors alcohol - so it probably was not available there..

now.. the alley behind the place.. well.. the alley wasnt school sponsored :)

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: okay naysayers and defenders ()
Date: August 06, 2007 07:45AM

Gallon of vodka, beers in car, but NOT IN THE TRUNK.

http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=1208972

New Information About Tragic Beltway Crash
August 3, 2007 - 3:24pm
Neal Augenstein, WTOP Radio

SPRINGFIELD, Va. - There is new information about the horrific crash on the Beltway that claimed the lives of four young women in June.

When Virginia State Police examined the wreckage of the Volkswagen Cabriolet the women were traveling in, they found a gallon bottle of vodka that had been opened and broken remnants of a six-pack of bottled beer.

The alcohol had been in the passenger compartment, not the trunk.

Toxicology reports still haven't been completed to see whether anyone had been drinking at the time of the crash.

The accident occurred around 11 p.m. on June 14 when police say the Volkswagen cut through the safety zone where exit ramp lanes for Interstate 95 South split off the Inner Loop and entered the path of the oncoming tractor-trailer.

Richard Thackston is the father of the young woman who was driving, Elaine Thackston. He believes the toxicology will show his daughter had not been drinking. She had been convicted earlier in Fairfax County of driving after underage drinking. The words his daughter had told him -- "I don't make the same mistake twice. I've learned from my mistake and I won't do that again."

Thackston says his daughter was going to be the designated driver that night.

The other women were identified as 18-year-old Lydia Petkoff; 19-year-old Sarah Renee Carter; and 18-year-old Renee Nicole Shelkin.

(Copyright 2007 by WTOP Radio. All Rights Reserved.)

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: nice dad ()
Date: August 06, 2007 07:50AM

I liked this quote: "Thackston says his daughter was going to be the designated driver that night. "

So the father knew there would be drinking going on... interesting that he'd blame VDOT for not thinking ahead to put up better signage in his view, but he didn't think ahead to report to the police about underage drinking he KNEW would be occurring that evening. When parents know about underage drinking, and know someone is going to be drunk in a car (driving or not) and do nothing to stop it, it's no wonder this happened. Parents, please stop trying to be buddies by letting your underage kids drink and drive.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: duh ()
Date: August 06, 2007 08:59AM

Where do they sell vodka in gallon bottles?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 06, 2007 11:59AM

nice dad Wrote:
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> I liked this quote: "Thackston says his daughter
> was going to be the designated driver that night.
> "
>
> So the father knew there would be drinking going
> on... interesting that he'd blame VDOT for not
> thinking ahead to put up better signage in his
> view, but he didn't think ahead to report to the
> police about underage drinking he KNEW would be
> occurring that evening. When parents know about
> underage drinking, and know someone is going to be
> drunk in a car (driving or not) and do nothing to
> stop it, it's no wonder this happened. Parents,
> please stop trying to be buddies by letting your
> underage kids drink and drive.


I think he just thought he taught his daughter better... Parents.. please remind kids if they travel with alcohol - put it in the damn trunk and dont open it..



duh Wrote:
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> Where do they sell vodka in gallon bottles?

i wonder if they just bought 2 halfs and put it in a plastic gallon water jug...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/06/2007 12:01PM by bdimag.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Maggie ()
Date: August 06, 2007 01:08PM

Dick Thackston, Knucklehead of the week. Knucklehead of the 21st Century! It is my beleif that he's trying to save his hide. He has homes and a real estate firm to protect. Who owned the vehicle? Have the other four families and the truck driver retained good lawyers? This accident was so sad and could have been prevented. Following the DUI and/or the May arrest, Elaine Thackston should have been required to move back home where her parents could monitor her progress regarding alcohol use and responsibility. Regardless of her age, they held the purse strings. He should have handled the problem in a timely manner. None of those kids would have died in that accident, the injured girl and the truck driver would not have this awful tragedy to live with. God Bless them. The parents had a responsibility to get this situation under control. Instead, he now feels the need to defend his daughters actions. Come on, Keene community, speak out. This is not a Virginia problem, it affects all of society.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Fairfax MF---er ()
Date: August 06, 2007 01:26PM

Did the guy really have the balls to criticize VDOT for not having good signage?

As for his daughter not being drunk, I don't know if she was or not. However, driving around with an open container of Vodka in the car probably wouldn't have been too smart given she had already been busted once.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pyramids17 ()
Date: August 06, 2007 10:26PM

Maggie Wrote:
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> Dick Thackston, Knucklehead of the week.
> Knucklehead of the 21st Century! It is my beleif
> that he's trying to save his hide. He has homes
> and a real estate firm to protect. Who owned the
> vehicle? Have the other four families and the
> truck driver retained good lawyers? This accident
> was so sad and could have been prevented.
> Following the DUI and/or the May arrest, Elaine
> Thackston should have been required to move back
> home where her parents could monitor her progress
> regarding alcohol use and responsibility.
> Regardless of her age, they held the purse
> strings. He should have handled the problem in a
> timely manner. None of those kids would have died
> in that accident, the injured girl and the truck
> driver would not have this awful tragedy to live
> with. God Bless them. The parents had a
> responsibility to get this situation under
> control. Instead, he now feels the need to defend
> his daughters actions. Come on, Keene community,
> speak out. This is not a Virginia problem, it
> affects all of society.


Hahahahahahaha ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh SNAP! So true. He needs to shut his face. Stop defending your daughter's stupidity. Plus, he has no clue whether his daughter was drinking or not, so just let the toxicology reports speak for themselves. Shit.

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holy shit
Posted by: Haha ()
Date: August 07, 2007 08:00PM

I've laughed out loud like 10 times while reading this thread. Ya'll cats are hilarious.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Jake529 ()
Date: August 09, 2007 01:41PM

I'm not a toxicologist by any means but anyone else think 2 months to figure out a BAC a little excessive. I mean they can draw blood to determine a person bac on a alcohol related arrest. What other test need to be done?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 09, 2007 01:43PM

probably a good amount of "channels" they need to go through before release the BAC of a dead person...

but still.. 2 months does seem a bit long..

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: TRICKIE ()
Date: August 09, 2007 03:05PM

Maybe the blood had to be alive.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Fairfax MF---er ()
Date: August 09, 2007 04:08PM

Per Trickie's comment, I do believe that the blood alcohol content of a person's blood goes up somewhat after they die, regardless of whether or not they have been drinking. Still, you would think they would have a definitive answer sooner.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pyramids17 ()
Date: August 09, 2007 10:44PM

You get 21 grams lighter when your soul leaves, so that just fucks EVERYTHING up for the doctors.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: twink ()
Date: August 10, 2007 12:44AM

JUST LET IT GO! This happened two months ago and four beautiful lives were lost, and you guys find some kind of entertainment in picking the whole situation apart even two months later. You guys are sick. You don't know any of these people. Do you have such a pathetic existance that you spend all your time tearing apart people you don't even know? It's really sad knowing that these girls are dead and people like you are still alive.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: TRICKIE ()
Date: August 10, 2007 12:46AM

Well this discussion is going well, isn't it?? I still am very curious to see the tox report. I hope Twink did not buy it for them.

Trickie

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Jake529 ()
Date: August 10, 2007 09:10AM

hey twink...do you have such a pathetic existance you feel the need to sugar coat an obvious drunk driving moronic manuever of pulling onto a freeway at 10 MPH? Too bad you weren't in the car with them...you are obviously a waste of space

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: twink ()
Date: August 10, 2007 04:12PM

Wow, you have some issues. Now you're telling another teenage girl that she should go die. You're pretty much a sick human being. Stuff like this happens every day... why do you have to dwell on this exact situation. You don't even know if the driver had been drinking yet! I really hope that the blood work comes back and shows the driver was SOBER so you can eat your cruel words. If you care so much about drunk driving how about you post on a topic that has actually been PROVED as drunk driving, better yet JOIN AN ANTI DRUNK DRIVING BOARD! Don't act all high and mighty and like you've never made a damn mistake... the only difference is you got lucky and have never had to die because of a mistake you made.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: oracle ()
Date: August 10, 2007 05:52PM

twink Wrote:
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> I really hope
> that the blood work comes back and shows the
> driver was SOBER so you can eat your cruel words.

yeah cause then shes only an inattentive former drunk driver who shouldn't have been on the road drunk or not i guess.

no one is discounting the tragedy, just making the point that drunk driving (or being underage with alcohol in the car, already established fact) are dumb and can result in death. duh.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 11, 2007 02:03PM

twink Wrote:
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> Wow, you have some issues. Now you're telling
> another teenage girl that she should go die.
> You're pretty much a sick human being.


file.php?2,file=909
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: hmmm ()
Date: August 11, 2007 02:30PM

Gravis see if you can post the video still of her in chains wearing the gold outfit sitting by Jabba the Hut

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 11, 2007 02:32PM

hmmm Wrote:
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> Gravis see if you can post the video still of her
> in chains wearing the gold outfit sitting by Jabba
> the Hut



file.php?2,file=909
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: stupid20 ()
Date: August 13, 2007 05:16PM

to all of who have blogged....I wish all of you to be a parent. When that happens, you will look back on this and be grateful. That is my wish and prayer.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: NOVA guy ()
Date: August 14, 2007 12:12PM

http://www.nbc4.com/news/13887300/detail.html?dl=mainclick
Toxicology Results Revealed In Quadruple Fatal Beltway Crash
Driver Found To Have Been Driving Under Influence

FAIRFAX, Va. -- Virginia State Police announced Tuesday the toxicology results in relation to an ongoing criminal investigation of a quadruple fatal beltway crash in Fairfax County that occurred in June.

The crash occurred on the inner loop of Interstate 495 west at the ramp to Interstate 95 south on June 14.
Police said that a group of young women were traveling along the highway when the driver in the 2002 Volkswagen made an improper lane change into the path of a tractor-trailer. The driver and three passengers in the Volkswagen died at the scene. One passenger survived the crash.

State troopers said they found alcohol and a small amount of marijuana in the vehicle.

The toxicology report performed on the driver, Elaine Minnette Thackston, 20, of Fairfax, determined that her blood alcohol content exceeded the legal limit of 0.02 to operate a motor vehicle, as set forth in the Code of Virginia for individuals under the age of 21. The report also indicated a positive result for marijuana.

Drug test results or blood alcohol content was not provided for any of the passengers in the vehicle.

Police said they are now attempting to determine where and how the alcohol was obtained by the underage individuals.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 14, 2007 12:26PM

im curious what her actual limit was...

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: proud dad ()
Date: August 14, 2007 01:23PM

well let's here it from the father and the naysayers now... she was DRUNK AND STONED. "the alcohol was in the trunk and not in the girls"... so much for that. Sorry the girl didn't learn her lesson as she promised her dad she had, and sorry the girl's friends decided to let a drunk stoned girl drive them.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: August 14, 2007 01:38PM

Sed Wrote:
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> I'm horrified by people's jump to judgment in this
> case. I was not only Elaine "Nettie" Thackston's
> friend, I was her boss, at a job she excelled in
> and impressed me with every day. We all know--her
> friends, family, and co-workers--that Nettie had
> struggled earlier in life. But the girl who dot a
> DUI in 2006 and the girl who died on the beltway
> were two completely different people. Nettie had
> made huge strides in the past year, and had always
> been a caring, considerate, imaginative girl. My
> pride in her grew until the moment of her death,
> and continues to grow even beyond it.
>
> The fact of the matter is, you have no idea
> whether Nettie or the other girls were drinking.
> And making that assumption doesn't help
> anyone--blaming the dead doesn't change a thing,
> doesn't bring anyone back. These inappropriate
> conclusions only hurt the family and friends who
> knew and loved these girls. Maybe instead of
> judging the dead on an internet web page, you
> should be mourning the loss of 4 young girls who
> had so much they never had the chance to offer the
> world. Spend your time calling the families and
> attending Memorials instead. Only he without sin
> can cast the first stone.
>
> My sincerest sympathy goes out to all the families
> in Virginia, and to the Thackstons.


Still horrified with us? Sorry you didn't know her as well as you thought you did. We will now accept your apologies for your public criticisms of our "jumping" to the most likely conclusions and being skeptical that things were different in this case. I guess the "completely different people" comment had to do with the introduction of marijuana? Maybe you knew something about this?

In any case I guess this explains why the toxicology report took a while... I guess they ran blood tests against more than alcohol.

Again, sympathies to the families, but now hopefully we can focus on the root cause of this crash and apply lessons learned to how we are raising our kids, as opposed to blaming road signs. I hope the truck driver can get some peace from this as well... it's hard to guard against other drivers' mistakes when they are drunk and stoned, especially in an area like the mixing bowl where driver attention is required.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/14/2007 01:39PM by pgens.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: VL ()
Date: August 14, 2007 02:22PM

Practically every driver on the road believes that THEIR driving is perfectly safe. Unfortunately, these stupid people fail to consider that their kids will learn more about driving by watching their parents' BAD habits and ignoring all the TALKTALKTALK parents do about safe driving.

Then parents forget that traffic gets more dangerous every year. "Oh, I was fine, I got through it okay"--somehow forgetting that it isn't 1976 anymore, when most people drove slower and drove smaller cars.

Add to that parental vanity ("not MY child"), denial ("not MY child"), and plain old lack of common sense ("not MY child"), and teenagers die.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pyramids17 ()
Date: August 14, 2007 10:10PM

pgens Wrote:
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> Still horrified with us? Sorry you didn't know
> her as well as you thought you did. We will now
> accept your apologies for your public criticisms
> of our "jumping" to the most likely conclusions
> and being skeptical that things were different in
> this case. I guess the "completely different
> people" comment had to do with the introduction of
> marijuana? Maybe you knew something about this?
>
> In any case I guess this explains why the
> toxicology report took a while... I guess they ran
> blood tests against more than alcohol.
>
> Again, sympathies to the families, but now
> hopefully we can focus on the root cause of this
> crash and apply lessons learned to how we are
> raising our kids, as opposed to blaming road
> signs. I hope the truck driver can get some peace
> from this as well... it's hard to guard against
> other drivers' mistakes when they are drunk and
> stoned, especially in an area like the mixing bowl
> where driver attention is required.


WELL SAID PGENS! I guess Dick Thackston was right! Along with all these other people saying the girls did nothing wrong. You know, the signage on the beltway is soooooo confusing! Especially when you're traveling at 10 mph. Oh, and you're stoned. Oh, and also, you're drunk. This is so sad because it was so dumb. Completely preventable. While I feel so bad about it, it's incredibly difficult to have much sympathy. Sorry, that's just the way I feel.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Tia2 ()
Date: August 15, 2007 09:04AM

I saw on the news today that the grandfather of one of the girls is going to sue the insurance company of the driver - Wrongful Death".

If the girl voluntarily got into the car - guaranteed that she knew the physical status of the driver - will they have a case?



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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 15, 2007 11:57AM

Do you remember the crash that was on Lee Chappel where driver (Ali something) and 2 back passengers died, and the up front passenger lived...

well she sued the driver and won.. she will also sit down and piss even if the toilet is clogged with turds..

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: twink ()
Date: August 15, 2007 01:25PM

Here is something that we can all agree on....
So today I go to myspace and see a bulliten a girl I don't like too much (for good reason) posted who was blaming the driver on her two friends dying because the driver made a "stupid and immature" [except she spelled immature unmature, what the hell is that, you've been out of high school for over a year and you're still illiterate?] mistake... YES THE DRIVER DID BUT THE OTHER GIRLS MOST LIKELY WERE DRINKING WITH HER AND SMOKING WITH HER BEFORE OR WHEN THEY WERE IN THE CAR!!! THEY MADE THE DECISION TO GET IN THE CAR WITH HER, THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO... but just like the rest of us (teenagers) we think we're invincible... I'm not going to lie, there are many times I have/do too.... but I'm going to be pissed if they blame all the girls' deaths on just one... because it's all their faults... the driver drove while intoxicated... the passengers knew she was intoxicated and high and still got in the car with her knowing the risks.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 15, 2007 03:14PM

when they test the blood for pot.. isnt that something that will show up even if the last time they smoked was.. say.. a week ago?

not to say she hadn't done it that night.. cause she prolly did..

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Him ()
Date: August 15, 2007 03:20PM

twink Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Wow, you have some issues. Now you're telling
> another teenage girl that she should go die.
> You're pretty much a sick human being. Stuff like
> this happens every day... why do you have to dwell
> on this exact situation. You don't even know if
> the driver had been drinking yet! I really hope
> that the blood work comes back and shows the
> driver was SOBER so you can eat your cruel words.
> If you care so much about drunk driving how about
> you post on a topic that has actually been PROVED
> as drunk driving, better yet JOIN AN ANTI DRUNK
> DRIVING BOARD! Don't act all high and mighty and
> like you've never made a damn mistake... the only
> difference is you got lucky and have never had to
> die because of a mistake you made.

Unfourtunately the toxicology report shows that the driver was legally drunk and had marijuana in her system.

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RE: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Crow Toe818 ()
Date: August 15, 2007 10:49PM

And yea I knew Nettie since she was in kindergarten. My heart goes out to ALL the families experiencing the loss of their daughters. I pray I never have to experience that loss before my own death, that is a parent's nightmare. I have 2 daughters myself and all parents want to think the best of their child. Nonetheless, I have often expressed to them the importance of wearing a seatbealt (especially after an accident I experienced that saved my life) and not drinking and driving. I'm not that naive to think that college-age kids aren't going to drink but at least I think instilled the thinking they shouldn't get behind a wheel and drive. They have either called for a ride, called a cab, or were in walking distance of their destination, though I suspect there have been times... Then again, they are not angels, I am not naive, and we all make choices. As parents, we hope our children make choices that are not detrimental and fatal. In this case the choices were fatal, Nettie made a choice as well as the other passengers.

The evidence speaks for itself.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: duh ()
Date: August 16, 2007 12:55AM

I'd love to know her BAC. Just to say it exceeded the legal limit of .02 for a minor means nothing...HOW MUCH OVER? What if it was say .03...that's like 2 beers. Big deal.

As far as lawsuits...they'll be lucky to get the funeral expenses from from the insurance company. After all these were kids, not breadwinners, etc. People think these wrongful death cases automatically result in bazillion dollar judgements....they VERY rarely do.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bfd ()
Date: August 16, 2007 07:36AM

duh Wrote:
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> I'd love to know her BAC. Just to say it exceeded
> the legal limit of .02 for a minor means
> nothing...HOW MUCH OVER? What if it was say
> .03...that's like 2 beers. Big deal.

were talking about someone who supposedly turned her life around after pleading out a dui. drinking any amount and driving your friends around at night with alcohol and pot in the car while everyone is underage is a big deal look it got them killed. plus 2 beers is a chick impaires more than in a guy, there are even different charts for girls and guys for how many beers get you to that point. .02 may have been a single drink

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: mike ()
Date: August 17, 2007 09:45AM


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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: daaaaaamn ()
Date: August 17, 2007 10:06AM

That and the bowl she had just smoked made her an exceptional driver I bet!

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: sad ()
Date: August 17, 2007 11:31AM

mike Wrote:
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> The Washington Post is reporting that her BAC was
> 0.14.
>
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
> le/2007/08/16/AR2007081602606.html?hpid=moreheadli
> nes


for a female that means she probably had 3-4 drinks in the hour before she died. so much for learning her lesson, how sad

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Tia2 ()
Date: August 17, 2007 01:08PM

It's sad and hopefully this will teach others a lesson.

It's not just the drivers' responsibility to make sure everyone gets home safely. If your friend is driving and they are drunk - DON"T GET IN THE CAR and GRAB THEIR KEYS so they can't go anywhere!

EVEN IF YOU ARE DRUNK YOURSELF - CALL A CAB, FRIEND, AUNT, UNCLE or anyone that you can count on to pick you up - no questions asked! It's worth it to save your life and the lives of others...

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: cat ()
Date: August 18, 2007 11:24AM

She was a little rich girl who's real estate daddy probably spoiled her so she thought she was on top of the world and could do whatever she wanted.









pyramids17 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> pgens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Still horrified with us? Sorry you didn't know
> > her as well as you thought you did. We will
> now
> > accept your apologies for your public
> criticisms
> > of our "jumping" to the most likely conclusions
> > and being skeptical that things were different
> in
> > this case. I guess the "completely different
> > people" comment had to do with the introduction
> of
> > marijuana? Maybe you knew something about
> this?
> >
> > In any case I guess this explains why the
> > toxicology report took a while... I guess they
> ran
> > blood tests against more than alcohol.
> >
> > Again, sympathies to the families, but now
> > hopefully we can focus on the root cause of
> this
> > crash and apply lessons learned to how we are
> > raising our kids, as opposed to blaming road
> > signs. I hope the truck driver can get some
> peace
> > from this as well... it's hard to guard against
> > other drivers' mistakes when they are drunk and
> > stoned, especially in an area like the mixing
> bowl
> > where driver attention is required.
>
>
> WELL SAID PGENS! I guess Dick Thackston was right!
> Along with all these other people saying the girls
> did nothing wrong. You know, the signage on the
> beltway is soooooo confusing! Especially when
> you're traveling at 10 mph. Oh, and you're stoned.
> Oh, and also, you're drunk. This is so sad because
> it was so dumb. Completely preventable. While I
> feel so bad about it, it's incredibly difficult to
> have much sympathy. Sorry, that's just the way I
> feel.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Date: August 18, 2007 07:00PM

I was in the car follow the volkswagon that night and i knew all the girls except the driver for years...they were my best friends and i cant believe that you people have nothing better to do then sit on the computer and judge those who lost there lives....dont u have any sympathy for the family and friends of the young women who lost there lives that night...you did not know them and you werent with them that night and you have noo idea the pain and heart ache that all there relatives are going threw...we didnt just lose one person we lost four...i wish i knew the driver had alcohol in her system so that just maybe i could of stopped her from driving that night..and just maybe lydia, renee, sarah, and nettie might still be here todayyy...i love them alll and i know that this whole thing was an eye opener and that everyone including adults will learn that you should never drink and drive..

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: cat ()
Date: August 18, 2007 07:42PM

I can't believe YOU have nothing better to do than to go out partying and drinking and getting stoned and driving around like idiots. Does anybody feel bad for the poor trucker who ran into them?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: August 18, 2007 07:45PM

"this whole thing was an eye opener and that everyone including adults will learn that you should never drink and drive"

With all due respect, it shouldn't take kids dying in a car wreck for their parents and friends to realize that drinking and driving is bad.

If you knew these girls and had been with them that night, you should have had some idea that they had been drinking and probably shouldn't have been driving. If you didn't - or chose not to - you are part of the problem here.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pyramids17 ()
Date: August 18, 2007 07:57PM

i saw the whole thing Wrote:
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> I was in the car follow the volkswagon that night
> and i knew all the girls except the driver for
> years...they were my best friends and i cant
> believe that you people have nothing better to do
> then sit on the computer and judge those who lost
> there lives....dont u have any sympathy for the
> family and friends of the young women who lost
> there lives that night...you did not know them and
> you werent with them that night and you have noo
> idea the pain and heart ache that all there
> relatives are going threw...we didnt just lose one
> person we lost four...i wish i knew the driver had
> alcohol in her system so that just maybe i could
> of stopped her from driving that night..and just
> maybe lydia, renee, sarah, and nettie might still
> be here todayyy...i love them alll and i know that
> this whole thing was an eye opener and that
> everyone including adults will learn that you
> should never drink and drive..


I'm TOTALLY judging people who lost their lives!

"Judge": verb. To compare facts or ideas, and perceive their relations and attributes, and thus distinguish truth from falsehood

Here is my judgment:
1. Girl was drunk. TRUTH
2. Girl was stoned. TRUTH
3. Girl was crossing the striped white barrier illegally. TRUTH
4. Girl was traveling 40 mph under the speed limit. TRUTH
5. Girls were underage. TRUTH
6. Girls possessed alcohol illegally. TRUTH
7. Girl had no idea there were consequences for this type of behavior. FALSEHOOD.


Suuuure, we have sympathy for the family and friends, but I personally don't have too much sympathy for those who drink and drive!

You think THIS is an eye opener? Are you kidding? My eyes have been open to the dangers of drunk driving for years. Your friends are not the first and won't be the last. Maybe it's opened YOUR eyes, but this is just the latest in an endless list of tragedies. Too bad your friends couldn't open their eyes as you have. What do you expect people to say when it was the drivers fault and completely avoidable? I dunno, but I'll end by saying I'm truly sorry for your loss.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: cw ()
Date: August 18, 2007 08:48PM

You have to take a look at the drunk part. She was .02 Under the law that is drunk for someone under 21. As for over 21 it doesnt come close. Strange law in that at age 20 and .02 you are drunk, the next day you turn 21 and it takes four times that amount to be considered drunk.
The stoned part can be curious too. Marijuana can stay in the system for some time.
All things considered she made some serious mistakes. I am not excusing her behavior or the fact four people are dead. That area of the beltway is very dangerous. VDOT and others may say it is safe but from one who drives it on a regular basis the left side exit ramp is tough to get to especially if you come on at VanDorn and there is any traffic at all in the other lanes.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: TRICKIE ()
Date: August 18, 2007 09:26PM

I think the paper said her BAC was over .02. Sure it is a part of the beltway where there are lots of signs. That's all the more reson to drive sober, keep your eyes on the road not a cell phone, avoid drugs and learn to read the signs.

trickie

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pyramids17 ()
Date: August 18, 2007 10:00PM

cw Wrote:
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> She was
> .02

No dude, she was .14

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: August 18, 2007 11:53PM

cw-

Based on this Washington Post article, it sounds like authorities merely stated that Thackston was above .02...not that she was .02. It sounds like they didn't elaborate, but one could safely assume that .02 was not the level of her blood. You need to learn how to read for comprehension.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/14/AR2007081400652.html

It also sounds like the families of the other girls killed are being a lot less charitable about this situation than you are. I would imagine Thackston's parents may end up facing some lawsuits when all is said and done.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: August 18, 2007 11:56PM

Oh, and as for "i saw the whole thing," the cops are looking for the people who purchased the alcohol for the girls. If you really want to be helpful, you should probably let the cops know any information you have on this matter instead of whining on this board about how mean we are.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: trogdor! ()
Date: August 19, 2007 12:29AM

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
I would imagine
> Thackston's parents may end up facing some
> lawsuits when all is said and done.

Since Thankston was over 18, I'm having a difficult time imagining how her parents could be liable for anything, excepting of course, if they provided the alcohol (but there's been no claim of that).

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: trogdor! ()
Date: August 19, 2007 12:32AM

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> cw-
It sounds like
> they didn't elaborate, but one could safely assume
> that .02 was not the level of her blood. You need
> to learn how to read for comprehension.

This says it all:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/16/AR2007081602606_pf.html Driver in Fatal Beltway Crash Had .14 Alcohol Level

By Jerry Markon
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 17, 2007; B01

A George Mason University student had a blood alcohol level of .14 when she drove her convertible into the path of a tractor-trailer on a Capital Beltway ramp, killing herself and three friends, and she had been convicted of drinking and driving a year earlier, according to sources and court documents....Thackston's blood alcohol level -- well above even Virginia's legal limit of .08 for those 21 and older -- would probably have left her with slurred speech, blurred vision and poor motor skills, experts said.

.14? OMFG! Suddenly this crash doesn't seem like the mystery it once was.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/19/2007 12:34AM by trogdor!.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: duh ()
Date: August 19, 2007 02:31AM

.14 is just a modest buzz for an experienced lush such as myself....but I can see where it mighta make a girly girl zig when she shoulda zagged.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Fairfax MF---er ()
Date: August 19, 2007 08:41AM

Teens get drunk, drive, die. No mystery here.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 19, 2007 01:29PM

Dick Thackston Wrote:
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> The driver of the car was my daughter.
>
> I think it is sad that the focus of most reporting
> has been on what I have been told was un-opened
> alcohol in the car.
>
> No one seems to be interested in discussing the
> fatally bad intersection called “the mixing bowl”
> where automobile traffic mixed with tractor
> trailers regularly moves at 75+ MPH through a
> dozen or more lanes including left hand exits and
> bridges.
>
> My daughter was an experienced young driver, who
> had commuted over thirty miles each way to and
> from school in high school daily as well as
> regularly between Northern Virginia and New
> Hampshire since entering GMU in 2005. She had over
> 80,000 miles on her car and it was well maintained
> and just been inspected and overhauled at
> Volkswagen.
>
> I understand that this is tragic for hundreds of
> people and I don’t mind if it is used as a parable
> to scare other teenagers from drinking and driving
> but it should be based in fact.



Quote
Driver in Fatal Beltway Crash Had .14 Alcohol Level

By Jerry Markon
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 17, 2007; Page B01

A George Mason University student had a blood alcohol level of .14 when she drove her convertible into the path of a tractor-trailer on a Capital Beltway ramp, killing herself and three friends, and she had been convicted of drinking and driving a year earlier, according to sources and court documents.

VL Wrote:
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> Add to that parental vanity ("not MY child"),
> denial ("not MY child"), and plain old lack of
> common sense ("not MY child"), and teenagers die.



pyramids17 Wrote:
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> 1. Girl was drunk. TRUTH
> 2. Girl was stoned. TRUTH
> 3. Girl was crossing the striped white barrier
> illegally. TRUTH
> 4. Girl was traveling 40 mph under the speed
> limit. TRUTH
> 5. Girls were underage. TRUTH
> 6. Girls possessed alcohol illegally. TRUTH
> 7. Girl had no idea there were consequences for
> this type of behavior. FALSEHOOD.
>
> You think THIS is an eye opener? Are you kidding?




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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: cw ()
Date: August 19, 2007 03:24PM

The article I read when the BAC first came out said .02 My mistake for mis-reading it. I still wonder why at age 20 you are drunk at .02 and within a few months or even days .02 gets you a free pass.

If it is weighted because they believe teens are new drivers then maybe it should apply to the foreigners over 21 who up until last week never even saw a car much less drove one.

.14 is quite a bit, even in the old days when the limit was .10 I havent changed my mind and still believe anyone over 18 should be allowed to consume beer and wine. Joining the military is a big step and if you are old enough to make that decision then you are old enough to down a beer.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Fairfax MF---er ()
Date: August 19, 2007 03:51PM

cw Wrote:
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> The article I read when the BAC first came out
> said .02 My mistake for mis-reading it. I still
> wonder why at age 20 you are drunk at .02 and
> within a few months or even days .02 gets you a
> free pass.
>
Maybe it is because YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO CONSUMING ANY ALCOHOL when you are under 21? Ever think of that?

The .02 is probably out there so parents don't get busted for serving a minor when they let them try a glass of wine at Thanksgiving or a glass of Champagne at New Years.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Fairfax MF---er ()
Date: August 19, 2007 04:02PM

Dick Thackston Wrote:
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> The driver of the car was my daughter.
>
> I think it is sad that the focus of most reporting
> has been on what I have been told was un-opened
> alcohol in the car. (Certainly it was not my
> impression that anyone investigating this matter
> was pulling any punches with me.)
>
> No one seems to be interested in discussing the
> fatally bad intersection called “the mixing bowl”
> where automobile traffic mixed with tractor
> trailers regularly moves at 75+ MPH through a
> dozen or more lanes including left hand exits and
> bridges.

>
> I understand that this is tragic for hundreds of
> people and I don’t mind if it is used as a parable
> to scare other teenagers from drinking and driving
> but it should be based in fact. I think there is a
> real parable of the dangers of this intersection
> and driving on the beltway that is being totally
> ignored, I think because it would be an
> inconvienient reality for life on the beltway.
>

Is this for real? Any intersection is unsafe when you ignore the laws and 1) drive under the influence and 2) fail to head the minimum speed laws and slow down while trying to cut over across a part of the road that is not meant to be driven over.

We can all agree that the Mixing Bowl, Beltway, etc. are dangerous...as is ANY road with a high volume of traffic. That is why you shouldn't be driving on these roads with .14 blood alcohol level.

I have sympathy for the family, but let's get real. There is only one person to blame for this accident, and it certainly isn't VDOT or the truck driver or the news media or the police or the people on this site.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: i call ()
Date: August 19, 2007 06:03PM

cw Wrote:
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> Joining the military is a
> big step and if you are old enough to make that
> decision then you are old enough to down a beer.

fine, allow it for people who have actually joined the military but not everyone else.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: August 19, 2007 07:05PM

cw Wrote:
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>
Joining the military is a
> big step and if you are old enough to make that
> decision then you are old enough to down a beer.


It is interesting that you are using a forum about underage drinkers getting killed in a car accident to debate the merits of lowering the legal drinking age. I take it by your poor judgement on the subject that you are under 21...which aptly reinforces the need not to lower the legal drinking age.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: August 19, 2007 07:38PM

in canada (ontario at least) the drinking age is 19. how many drunk driving crashed do they have?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Jester ()
Date: August 19, 2007 08:20PM

For a teenage girl .14 is VERY drunk. Add that to being stoned, an inexperienced driver, the mixing bowl and you see the result. Also the tests did show how stoned she was. She may have been stoned out of her mind.

We see stuff like this every year, yet cops routinely bust parents who hold graduation partyings in their own home and take the kids keys away.

Perhaps we should come to the realization that kids will tend to drink at graduation time regardless and go a little easier on parents that keep them off the road.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: cw ()
Date: August 19, 2007 09:03PM

I am not under 21. In fact I am old enough that I used to buy alcohol legally as the age limit was 18. Somehow I think that people old enough to join the military, vote and sign binding contracts shouldnt be denied a simple beer.

Since parents can legally serve alcohol to their own children in their own home do you consider them irresponsible and using poor judgement?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Genevieve ()
Date: August 19, 2007 09:14PM

KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> in canada (ontario at least) the drinking age is
> 19. how many drunk driving crashed do they have?


I don't have any statistics to share with you. But I was actually discussing this accident with an aunt and uncle in Canada two weeks ago. They claim that there is a much worse stigma associated with drunk driving in Canada. While that is a matter of opinion, they did mention some interesting programs. Like from Christmas through New Years, you can call for a ride home... one volunteer will drive you home and another will drive your car home. Of course I'd never trust a stranger in DC/Northern Virginia, but still interesting.

In Ottawa there are a lot more households with either no cars or only one car. So there may be fewer instances of drunk driving simply because so many more people already use public transportation.

A quick google search brought up an interesting fact... if you are convicted of a DUI in Ontario, once your license is reinstated you must equip your car with an ignition interlock system (for 1 year for first time offenders, 3 years for second time offenders).

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: cw ()
Date: August 19, 2007 09:24PM

Maybe the part of Canada they are in have more local bars like in Europe. You dont have to drive because there is mass transit and also the bars are so close to the homes. In Northern Virginia you must drive if you want to go to a bar. Most just arent situated within walking distance of residential areas.

No one said that a parent has to introduce their kids to drinking. I am sure I am in the minority in lowering the drinking age for beer to 18 and I dont believe the law will be changed in the near future either. That does not prohibit me from believing the government steps over the line in legislating many moral issues.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: August 19, 2007 11:48PM

Canada has free healthcare. Could that have somthing to do with it? 9Serious question)

In germany the drinking age is what, 12? [idk] They also have the speedlimit-less autobahn. How many drunk driving aciidents do then have?


Obviously, the solution is to lower the drinking age and raise the speed limit.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 20, 2007 09:17AM

Obviously...

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Lurker. ()
Date: August 20, 2007 09:35AM

It's tragic that these teens died. Even more tragic is that they were probably driving around in a car drinking because that was the only place they could do it.

When I was in High School (back in the cromagnum ages) it was very common for kids to drive around and drink in cars because that was the only private place they wouldn't get caught. It was either that or sneak into a wooded area someplace. I doubt there are very many places in left Springfield to sit and drink(not in a car) and not get caught.

Whatever happened to going to the beach and getting hotel rooms for partying after graduation.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: All's Fair in Fairfax ()
Date: August 20, 2007 01:38PM

"Richard Thackston is the father of the young woman who was driving, Elaine Thackston. He believes the toxicology will show his daughter had not been drinking. She had been convicted earlier in Fairfax County of driving after underage drinking. The words his daughter had told him -- "I don't make the same mistake twice. I've learned from my mistake and I won't do that again."

Thackston says his daughter was going to be the designated driver that night"

We know one mistake she won't be making again.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: are you serious? ()
Date: August 20, 2007 05:44PM

How old are you people? In your late 20's/30's, maybe even 40's... grow the fuck up, you're ATTACKING teenagers trying to defend their friends' memory... yes, they made a mistake, but THEY WERE HUMAN BEINGS that many people have amazing memories of and all you can do it cut them down over and over and over on here... you didn't even know them! WE ALL GET IT, ALCOHOL WAS A MAJOR FACTOR IN THIS CRASH... it's been over two months, move on with your obviously pathetic existance that you spend all this time on a message board picking apart teenage girls you didn't even know.

"Who are you to judge the life I live? I know I'm not perfect--and I don't live to be. But before you start pointing fingers, make sure your hands are clean."

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pyramids17 ()
Date: August 20, 2007 05:53PM

OK I just checked...I don't drink & drive...my hands are clean...now shut up.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: duh ()
Date: August 20, 2007 06:02PM

What people are "attacking" are the LAME excuses that were initially thrown around as the cause of this tragedy....not the girls themselves.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: August 20, 2007 07:58PM

This wouldn't be an issue if people didn't keep coming on here saying, "Well, nobody knew she was drunk." BULLSHIT. Nobody wants to admit it.

What galls me is people like "are you serious" want to somehow implicate us in this tragedy. The people coming on here to post fabrications about the incident (.02 blood alcohol level, nobody could have known, yadda, yadda, yadda) would do better by their memories to go to the police and tell them exactly who gave the girls the liquor in the first place. You want to honor their memory? Help the police find those who enabled this tragedy to happen.

Otherwise, shut up and this whole debate will go away.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: August 20, 2007 08:25PM

Wow, this thread is hanging around longer than 5 drunken teenage girls driving too slow on the beltway in a volkswagen.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: August 20, 2007 09:41PM

problem is, they probly got the alcohol from friends or at least one of them had a fake id (like 80% of teenagers do) and finding the person who got them alcohol would create a lot of problems.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: slinkeyts ()
Date: August 20, 2007 11:27PM

all kids do..

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: slinkeyts ()
Date: August 20, 2007 11:27PM

thats what is sad



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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 21, 2007 12:10PM

Thats why when punk kids come up to me to ask me to buy them alcohol - i just say no.. but when my few underaged punk friends ask me, I'll do it.. cause I know they won't do something so fucking stupid... Like one.. he just passes out, no opportunity to be stupid..

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Him ()
Date: August 21, 2007 12:59PM

No matter which way you look at it, its sad. I have driven the entire beltway so many damn times I dont care to bring it up. The bottom line is if you are paying attention, you cant help but see the huge numbered green signs stating your exit, the direction of said exit and the distance to that exit. VDOT is to blame? Yea right, VDOT is god compared to Maryland DOT and the District DOT. The only blame to be had is for those 5 women in that car, and yes I blame all of them. The driver for obviously drinking, being stoned and driving. And her friends for not caring enough for their friend (driver) to allow the driver to endanger herself, the rest of them and EVERYONE else that was on the beltway. If you dont care about your life then thats fine, but dont put my life or other innocent bystanders life in jeapordy over your poor decisions.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OWNED ()
Date: August 21, 2007 08:29PM

All's Fair in Fairfax Wrote:
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> "Richard Thackston is the father of the young
> woman who was driving, Elaine Thackston. He
> believes the toxicology will show his daughter had
> not been drinking. She had been convicted earlier
> in Fairfax County of driving after underage
> drinking. The words his daughter had told him --
> "I don't make the same mistake twice. I've learned
> from my mistake and I won't do that again."
>
> Thackston says his daughter was going to be the
> designated driver that night"
>
> We know one mistake she won't be making again.

OWNED.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OMG OWNED ()
Date: August 21, 2007 08:38PM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> You're right, of course, Maxi... there has been
> zero insight here about how these girls were at
> giving bj's.
>
> Of course, if the answer is "like they drive",
> then it's a non-starter.


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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OWNED ()
Date: August 21, 2007 08:53PM

i saw the whole thing Wrote:
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> I was in the car follow the volkswagon that night
> and i knew all the girls except the driver for
> years...they were my best friends and i cant
> believe that you people have nothing better to do
> then sit on the computer and judge those who lost
> there lives....dont u have any sympathy for the
> family and friends of the young women who lost
> there lives that night...you did not know them and
> you werent with them that night and you have noo
> idea the pain and heart ache that all there
> relatives are going threw...we didnt just lose one
> person we lost four...i wish i knew the driver had
> alcohol in her system so that just maybe i could
> of stopped her from driving that night..and just
> maybe lydia, renee, sarah, and nettie might still
> be here todayyy...i love them alll and i know that
> this whole thing was an eye opener and that
> everyone including adults will learn that you
> should never drink and drive..


so wait you were following this girl, you knew all the girls, but you didn't know the driver was drunk? I don't understand....

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: owned ()
Date: August 21, 2007 08:53PM

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OWNED ()
Date: August 21, 2007 08:58PM

cw Wrote:
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> I am not under 21. In fact I am old enough that I
> used to buy alcohol legally as the age limit was
> 18. Somehow I think that people old enough to join
> the military, vote and sign binding contracts
> shouldnt be denied a simple beer.
>
> Since parents can legally serve alcohol to their
> own children in their own home do you consider
> them irresponsible and using poor judgement?


Wrong buddy, you can't serve your kids alcohol. Dumbass.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pyramids17 ()
Date: August 21, 2007 09:03PM

496 Wrote:
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> Wow, this thread is hanging around longer than 5
> drunken teenage girls driving too slow on the
> beltway in a volkswagen.


LOL that's for sure. 5 pages is ridonkulous. All because friends of the nimrod girls/random teens who want the drinking age lowered come on here and try to defend the girls. Give me a break.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: VA Dad ()
Date: August 21, 2007 09:22PM

OWNED Wrote:
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> cw Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am not under 21. In fact I am old enough that
> I
> > used to buy alcohol legally as the age limit
> was
> > 18. Somehow I think that people old enough to
> join
> > the military, vote and sign binding contracts
> > shouldnt be denied a simple beer.
> >
> > Since parents can legally serve alcohol to
> their
> > own children in their own home do you consider
> > them irresponsible and using poor judgement?
>
>
> Wrong buddy, you can't serve your kids alcohol.
> Dumbass.


Actually, you are mistaken. Check the law. In Virginia parents can serve their own children alcohol. I was surprised to learn this. You cannot serve it to other underage kids, but you can to your own. You really shouldn't call people "dumbass" when you are the one who is ignorant.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OWNED ()
Date: August 21, 2007 09:27PM

Oops, sorry I don't have the lawbook handy.. but check it out: POINT STILL STANDS, PARENTS CAN'T SERVE ALCOHOL TO OTHER KIDS AT A PARTY EVEN IF THEY TAKE THE KIDS KEYS.

BITCH

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: VA DAD ()
Date: August 21, 2007 09:28PM

I will admit though that I am gay

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 21, 2007 09:30PM

KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> in canada (ontario at least) the drinking age is
> 19. how many drunk driving crashed do they have?


that's not being fair to us because canadians dont know how to turn on a car.



Jester Wrote:
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> Perhaps we should come to the realization that
> kids will tend to drink at graduation time
> regardless and go a little easier on parents that
> keep them off the road.


i think we should execute the kids and the parents. problem solved!



cw Wrote:
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> I am sure I am in the minority
> in lowering the drinking age for beer to 18 and I
> dont believe the law will be changed in the near
> future either. That does not prohibit me from
> believing the government steps over the line in
> legislating many moral issues.


agreed.



Lurker. Wrote:
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> It's tragic that these teens died. Even more
> tragic is that they were probably driving around
> in a car drinking because that was the only place
> they could do it.


no, no, it's ironic.


> Whatever happened to going to the beach and
> getting hotel rooms for partying after graduation.


$$$



496 Wrote:
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> Wow, this thread is hanging around longer than 5
> drunken teenage girls driving too slow on the
> beltway in a volkswagen.


LOL! a quality joke for sure.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OWNED ()
Date: August 21, 2007 09:35PM

VA DAD Wrote:
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> I will admit though that I am gay


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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bye bye ()
Date: August 21, 2007 10:59PM

OWNED Wrote:
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> Oops, sorry I don't have the lawbook handy.. but
> check it out: POINT STILL STANDS, PARENTS CAN'T
> SERVE ALCOHOL TO OTHER KIDS AT A PARTY EVEN IF
> THEY TAKE THE KIDS KEYS.
>
> BITCH
The poster didn't make that point at all. You are pretty ignorant to be so arrogant. If you are going to attack people, at least get your facts straight. Why are you so bitter and obnoxious?

I will leave your little playground now. I thought this site might be an interesting and entertaining place to discuss what was happening in Fairfax. Instead it is a site where very immature people insult anyone who disagrees with them and downplays tragedy by making inappropriate comments questioning how hot or well endowed the girls were.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OWNED ()
Date: August 22, 2007 07:26AM

forgive me if I'm being 'ignorant' but ASFAIK endowment has to do with the size of my member. in other words I'm well hung, ya dig?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Fairfax MF---er ()
Date: August 22, 2007 08:59AM

bye bye Wrote:
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> I will leave your little playground now. I
> thought this site might be an interesting and
> entertaining place to discuss what was happening
> in Fairfax. Instead it is a site where very
> immature people insult anyone who disagrees with
> them and downplays tragedy by making inappropriate
> comments questioning how hot or well endowed the
> girls were.

I love how people throw little hissy fits like this over these kinds of discussions, like this is supposed to be a fucking forensics meet at UVA or something. First day on the fucking Internet? Get a friggin' life and/or clue.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: lol ()
Date: August 22, 2007 11:56AM

OWNED Wrote:
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> forgive me if I'm being 'ignorant' but ASFAIK
> endowment has to do with the size of my member. in
> other words I'm well hung, ya dig?


usually said by nerdy teens sitting at home waiting for school to start, with little penises.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 22, 2007 12:39PM

very little penises...

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 22, 2007 08:20PM

Fairfax MF---er Wrote:
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> I love how people throw little hissy fits like
> this over these kinds of discussions, like this is
> supposed to be a fucking forensics meet at UVA or
> something. First day on the fucking Internet? Get
> a friggin' life and/or clue.


lol, it's so true!


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OWNED ()
Date: August 23, 2007 10:17PM

I have a very little penis and I spend all day on the internet talking all big and bad because I'm really a weak ass loser in real life and the internet is the only way I can act tough. I also like to say crude comments about teenage girls who lost their lives... but I have no shame so I'm going to continue being the sick and twisted individual person I am so I can keep my special spot in hell they have reserved for me... right next to the pedefials because those are my type of people.

PS. I like to take the attention of what a disgusting person I am but dwelling on other people's mistakes because then maybe people won't see how pathetic I truly am.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Fairfax MF---er ()
Date: August 24, 2007 09:13AM

OWNED Wrote:
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> I have a very little penis and I spend all day on
> the internet talking all big and bad because I'm
> really a weak ass loser in real life and the
> internet is the only way I can act tough. I also
> like to say crude comments about teenage girls who
> lost their lives... but I have no shame so I'm
> going to continue being the sick and twisted
> individual person I am so I can keep my special
> spot in hell they have reserved for me... right
> next to the pedefials because those are my type of
> people.
>
> PS. I like to take the attention of what a
> disgusting person I am but dwelling on other
> people's mistakes because then maybe people won't
> see how pathetic I truly am.


As opposed to keeping this thread alive by posting inane comments? Good job.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 24, 2007 10:52AM

and its definately not "pedefial" (ped-eh-fee-ul?)

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Fairfax MF---er ()
Date: August 24, 2007 11:30AM

OWNED Wrote:
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I also
> like to say crude comments about teenage girls who
> lost their lives...

Actually, most of the comments have been about the people who knew the girls who are trying to blame VDOT for the accident while conveniently omitting the fact the driver was drunk (while under-aged) and stoned at the time. By "crude comments" you mean "the truth," then by that standard the comments are painfully "crude."

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: OWNED ()
Date: August 24, 2007 01:08PM

Oh I'm sorry I don't know how to spell pedefial... that must definitely be your expertise. sicko.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 24, 2007 01:14PM

your right, i'm an expert at not being a moron.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: slinkeyts ()
Date: August 24, 2007 01:22PM

im sure



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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: FFX Lawyer ()
Date: August 24, 2007 01:44PM

>
> Actually, most of the comments have been about the
> people who knew the girls who are trying to blame
> VDOT for the accident while conveniently omitting
> the fact the driver was drunk (while under-aged)
> and stoned at the time. By "crude comments" you
> mean "the truth," then by that standard the
> comments are painfully "crude."

The people who blamed VDOT are just like the people who said Michael Vick wasn't involved in dogfighting- they are ignorant and jumping to conclusions without having facts. Those people deserved to be told they are ignorant. But, its comments like this in response to someone stating, correctly, that parents can legally serve alcohol to their own children in their own home that make this website a joke instead of a great place to share thoughts-

wrong buddy, you can't serve your kids alcohol. Dumbass.

When you are ignorant of the topic, why do you state your opinion as fact and then have to add "dumbass" to it?

Its too bad. Like VA Dad, I used to like this site. I feel bad for all of the people directly affected by this tragedy. They are all responsible. It wasn't an accident- it was a timebomb waiting to explode. As a father of four young drivers I can relate to the desire to have it not be their fault- but it was. Every one of them and whoever supplied them with the alcohol and drugs. I hope that person pays for his/her part in this tragedy.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 24, 2007 01:54PM

Quick question... If you wrecked your car drunk, would you blame the bartender that served you alcohol? Or the store that sold it to you?

I sure as hell wouldn't..

I'm betting whoever got the alcohol for them feels like shit because of it, but its certainly not his/her fault that they crashed their car...

You can argue that it was illegal, sure.. but imagine if one of the chicks had a fake ID (which is easily imaginable): would you blame the store that sold them alcohol?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: FFX Lawyer ()
Date: August 24, 2007 02:48PM

bdimag Wrote:
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> Quick question... If you wrecked your car drunk,
> would you blame the bartender that served you
> alcohol? Or the store that sold it to you?
>
> I sure as hell wouldn't..
>
> I'm betting whoever got the alcohol for them feels
> like shit because of it, but its certainly not
> his/her fault that they crashed their car...
>
> You can argue that it was illegal, sure.. but
> imagine if one of the chicks had a fake ID (which
> is easily imaginable): would you blame the store
> that sold them alcohol?


I would not blame the bar or store. Even if I was intoxicated and the bartender should have stopped serving me. But, I am of legal age and- the thinking is- mature enough to make good decisions.

If the girls got the alcohol by using a fake ID, I don't blame the store that sold it as long as it was not an obvious fake. I have seen some pretty lousy ones that no one could be fooled by. If someone did them a favor and bought them the alcohol, then they should be prosecuted. They may not be directly responsible for the accident, but they certainly contributed to it.

People have to take responsibilities for their actions- that includes someone who would buy alcohol for an underage person. The driver and the passengers are primarily responsible- one drove imapired and the others had the bad judgement to let her drive and to ride with her. Anyone who knowingly illegally provides minors with alcohol, also needs to take repsonsibility.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 24, 2007 02:55PM

I understand that... but people are wanting to hang whoever bought it for them...

People get charged as adults for crimes when theyre 18 - because its argued that theyre old enough to make their own decisions at that point.. why is it not the same with this? sure somebody illegally provided a minor with alcohol.. it was still her decision to drink it and then drive..

hell i blame her less than i blame her friends - not because they "let" her drive.. they probably encouraged it..

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: duh ()
Date: August 24, 2007 03:25PM

bdimag Wrote:
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> I understand that... but people are wanting to
> hang whoever bought it for them...
>
> People get charged as adults for crimes when
> theyre 18 - because its argued that theyre old
> enough to make their own decisions at that point..
> why is it not the same with this? sure somebody
> illegally provided a minor with alcohol.. it was
> still her decision to drink it and then drive..
>
> hell i blame her less than i blame her friends -
> not because they "let" her drive.. they probably
> encouraged it..

"Hanging" the person that bought it for them is appropriate! That way, people may think twice when a kid asks them to buy booze for them. They might ask themselves, "do I wanna be responsible for what this asshole kid does drunk?".

It's like that idiot that provided guns to the Columbine Kids...he got in a HEAP of trouble, as well he should have.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 24, 2007 03:30PM

ya.. i think im starting to change my mind..

its just being 21, and very recently underage - im just kinda partial to not fully blaming the guy..



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/24/2007 03:31PM by bdimag.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: p freakin s ()
Date: August 24, 2007 06:01PM

If you're trying to make yourself sleep better at night by lying to yourself saying "most of the comments have been about the people who knew the girls who are trying to blame VDOT for the accident", you must be delusional. You have gone as far as to call them NIMRODS... as well as crack jokes about how they won't be able to make that mistake again. So, don't even try to defend yourself saying your comments have been about people who blame VDOT for the accident.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: pyramids17 ()
Date: August 24, 2007 06:14PM

p freakin s Wrote:
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> If you're trying to make yourself sleep better at
> night by lying to yourself saying "most of the
> comments have been about the people who knew the
> girls who are trying to blame VDOT for the
> accident", you must be delusional. You have gone
> as far as to call them NIMRODS... as well as crack
> jokes about how they won't be able to make that
> mistake again. So, don't even try to defend
> yourself saying your comments have been about
> people who blame VDOT for the accident.

Hey man. Wanna come over tonight? We're getting intoxicated under the supervision of my parents, then going for a ride. Be here by 7

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: August 24, 2007 07:31PM

p freakin s Wrote:
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> If you're trying to make yourself sleep better at
> night by lying to yourself saying "most of the
> comments have been about the people who knew the
> girls who are trying to blame VDOT for the
> accident", you must be delusional. You have gone
> as far as to call them NIMRODS... as well as crack
> jokes about how they won't be able to make that
> mistake again. So, don't even try to defend
> yourself saying your comments have been about
> people who blame VDOT for the accident.


I sleep just fine.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: August 24, 2007 07:33PM

As for the mistake comment, it was in direct response to the driver's father saying, "she wouldn't make the same mistake twice" and blaming VDOT for its signage.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: lol ()
Date: August 24, 2007 07:53PM

what is with these apologists? instead of admitting their friend made mistakes that killed her and her friends, they are so hurt by the now-known truth about what happened that they come here and criticize people who criticized the blaming of VDOT when the driver had a previous DUI charge? Why don't they just post "look, we were wrong and we're sorry we bashed you for suspecting alcohol was involved" or just go away? why do these "friends" still focus on posters here?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: August 24, 2007 08:29PM

lol Wrote:
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> what is with these apologists? instead of
> admitting their friend made mistakes that killed
> her and her friends, they are so hurt by the
> now-known truth about what happened that they come
> here and criticize people who criticized the
> blaming of VDOT when the driver had a previous DUI
> charge? Why don't they just post "look, we were
> wrong and we're sorry we bashed you for suspecting
> alcohol was involved" or just go away? why do
> these "friends" still focus on posters here?


Because "friends" don't let friends drive drunk. Seems to me there is some guilt here that is resulting in misplaced blame.

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Re: kills 4 teens
Posted by: va.lawyer ()
Date: August 25, 2007 01:24PM

Points of Clarification on VA law:

1. The law-It is illegal for ANYONE under the age of 21 to possess; consume or attempt to possess or consume alcohol.

2. It is illegal for anyone to drive while intoxicated;

3. Virginia law confuses these two law by further defining level of intoxications while driving.

4. The lawyers; police officer and judges refer to a "baby DUI" (when your Blood ALcohol Content is .02 which applies to those under 21 years of age) versus a Blood Alcohol Content (BAC) of .08 which is legal intoxication for adults. Thus, either way driving while under the influence is illegal.

Other factors to consider:

5. Teenage drivers aged 16-20 are the deadlies driver of ANY age group and have the highest fatality (death) rate for crashes.

6. Teenage drivers are need time and practice to become good and safe drivers.

7. Teenage drivers are easily distracted (by road conditions; passengers; radios; purses; wallets; food; etc) due to their inexperience.

8. Underage drinking is a major problem in Fairfax County and across the nation.

9. Many teenagers don't just drink a beer or two they often drink to excess or binge drink. THey often believe they can handle alcohol in the same way adults can handle alcohol. They are wrong.

10. Many Parents do not talk to their teens enough about the dangers of alcohol (and drugs); nor do they set rules or expectations about the consequences they will impose if they drink or use drugs while underage. Yet, parents generally have the strongest influence over their children; yes, even over peers but parents often fail to exercise the power.

My message:

Virginia, like all 50 states in the U.S., makes it a crime to use; possess (hold) or attempt to use possess alcohol while under age 21. Zero Tolerance!

Don't drink while under age 21-Period!

Don't drink and drive!

My sympathies to the families of the dead young women; to the young women who survived and to the driver of the truck.

I hope and pray other, particulary teens and young adults, will learn from this tragedy. But, it has happened before and sadly will probably happen again.

Parents-Use the power you have-Talk and continue to talk to your teens! Set rules and expectations and then enforce them.

8

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 25, 2007 07:24PM

11. if you are not wearing a seatbelt and are in a collision, the force can eject your through a window.

12. friction + a human body + high speed = lots of pain and bleeding

13. the laws of physics dictate that when two bodies of mass collide the kenetic energy is transfered. when a high mass body collides with a low mass body, the force to mass ratio is skewed in that the effect is greater on low mass body, even though the same force is put on both bodies. in this instance, a several ton tractor-trailer traveling at high speed collided with a slow moving car which was less than a single ton. the result of the two colliding was that the car was rocketed forward.


My message:

the laws of physics are something you can never break.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 28, 2007 04:34PM

i can levitate.

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Re: teenage drivers and Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: legal eagle ()
Date: August 30, 2007 11:14PM

Points of Clarification on VA law:

1. The law-It is illegal for ANYONE under the age of 21 to possess; consume or attempt to possess or consume alcohol.

2. It is illegal for anyone to drive while intoxicated;

3. Virginia law confuses these two laws by further defining levels of intoxications while driving.

4. The lawyers; police officer and judges refer to a "baby DUI" (when your Blood ALcohol Content is .02 which applies to those under 21 years of age) versus a Blood Alcohol Content (BAC) of .08 which is legal intoxication for adults. Thus, either way driving while under the influence is illegal.

Other factors to consider:

5. Teenage drivers aged 16-20 are the deadlies drivers of ANY age group and have the highest fatality (death) rate for crashes.

6. Teenage drivers need time (lots) and practice to become good and safe drivers.

7. Teenage drivers are easily distracted (by road conditions; passengers; radios; purses; wallets; food; etc) due to their inexperience; immaturity; sense of invincibility and tendency to engage in high risk behavior.

8. Underage drinking is a major problem in Fairfax County and across the nation.

9. Many teenagers don't just drink a beer or two they often drink to excess or binge drink. THey often believe they can handle alcohol in the same way adults can handle alcohol. They are wrong.

10. Many Parents do not talk to their teens enough about the dangers of alcohol (and drugs); nor do they set rules or expectations about the consequences they will impose if they drink or use drugs while underage. Yet, parents generally have the strongest influence over their children; yes, even over peers but parents often fail to exercise the power.

My message:

Virginia, like all 50 states in the U.S., makes it a crime to use; possess (hold) or attempt to use possess alcohol while under age 21. Zero Tolerance!

Don't drink while under age 21-Period!

Don't drink and drive!

My sympathies to the families of the dead young women; to the young women who survived and to the driver of the truck.

I hope and pray other, particulary teens and young adults, will learn from this tragedy. But, it has happened before and sadly will probably happen again.

Parents-Use the power you have-Talk and continue to talk to your teens! Set rules and expectations and then enforce them.

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DUPLICATION!
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 31, 2007 01:41AM

11. if you are not wearing a seatbelt and are in a collision, the force can eject your through a window.

12. friction + a human body + high speed = lots of pain and bleeding

13. the laws of physics dictate that when two bodies of mass collide the kenetic energy is transfered. when a high mass body collides with a low mass body, the force to mass ratio is skewed in that the effect is greater on low mass body, even though the same force is put on both bodies. in this instance, a several ton tractor-trailer traveling at high speed collided with a slow moving car which was less than a single ton. the result of the two colliding was that the car was rocketed forward.


My message:

the laws of physics are something you can never break.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: August 31, 2007 09:41AM

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: G-Man ()
Date: August 31, 2007 01:24PM

I would love to see this topic go away. Its done its over. The driver was drunk and high, she fucked up and killed her self and her friends. move on its over the point is made.

EoM

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 31, 2007 05:45PM

G-Man Wrote:
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> I would love to see this topic go away. Its done
> its over. The driver was drunk and high, she
> fucked up and killed her self and her friends.
> move on its over the point is made.


by posting, you actually are contributing to keeping the thread alive... now so am i. :)


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: G-Man ()
Date: August 31, 2007 06:11PM

Thanks for contributing!

EoM

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: bdimag ()
Date: September 04, 2007 11:55AM

ooooo i wanna contribute too!!

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: nicole2 ()
Date: March 16, 2008 08:07PM

to everyone

the "school sponsored" trip to the ESPN zone cost 60 dollors to get it in. So, maybe if West Potomac made it free and made it some where other than a place just for boys than we would of gone there instead of to the club.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Kobersteen ()
Date: March 16, 2008 08:29PM

nicole2 Wrote:
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> to everyone
>
> the "school sponsored" trip to the ESPN zone cost
> 60 dollors to get it in. So, maybe if West Potomac
> made it free and made it some where other than a
> place just for boys than we would of gone there
> instead of to the club.


I feel compelled to chime in, Nicole. I just want to know, how much did the alcohol and everything else cost that the girls consumed that night? No one ever said that doing the right thing is always the cheapest or most convenient thing to do but it IS the RIGHT thing to do. So, don't go to ESPN zone if you can't spare the $60, just use some common sense and DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE!

Don't try to dump this on the school, those girls made a choice and it was a bad one.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: the friendly toad ()
Date: June 10, 2008 02:29PM

Robert Wrote:
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> That beltway sacres me to death. I was on it a few
> months ago and almost got hit from behind.


lol i would like to hit u from behind...


NO HOMO

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: The truth be told ()
Date: June 12, 2008 11:35AM

Driver, 20, Was Legally Drunk in Fatal Va. Crash
By Jerry Markon and Daniela Deane
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, August 15, 2007; Page B01
A George Mason University student was legally drunk when she veered into the path of a tractor-trailer on a ramp of the Capital Beltway, killing herself and three friends, and police are trying to locate the person who provided the alcohol found in the car, authorities said yesterday.
An investigation of the June 14 crash near the Springfield Mixing Bowl revealed that the driver, Elaine M. Thackston, 20, had a blood-alcohol content above the .02 legal limit for someone under 21 and that she tested positive for marijuana, police said. They declined to say whether any of the four passengers, including a 17-year-old who survived, had been drinking or using drugs.
Police also said they found an open gallon of vodka, with about half of it gone, and a six-pack of beer in the white convertible Volkswagen, which was upside down, its roof gone. Reaction from family members of the victims ranged from resignation to anger yesterday.
"A drunk driver killed my kid. I can't change it. It is the way it is," said Richard Petkoff, whose daughter Lydia M. Petkoff, 18, of the Alexandria area, was among those killed.
The grandfather of Renee N. Shelkin, 18, of the Alexandria area, who was also killed, said he blamed Thackston, who was from Troy, N.H. "I believe if that girl had never shown up, this would never have happened," Barry Shelkin said yesterday. "Renee would be here today."
Thackston's mother, Andrea, declined to comment yesterday.
The development provided a sad coda to a crash that shattered graduation celebrations for students at a Fairfax County high school and provided yet another example of the dangers of drinking and driving. Petkoff and Shelkin had just graduated from West Potomac High School that day.
Also killed was Thackston's roommate at George Mason, Sarah R. Carter, 19, of the Alexandria area, a graduate of West Potomac. Petkoff was Carter's cousin. The injured teenager was a West Potomac student.
The five friends had been at one of their homes and were en route to Love nightclub in the District when their car crashed into the tractor-trailer, said Virginia State Police Sgt. Terry Licklider.
The crash occurred as the Volkswagen headed west on the Beltway's inner loop, in the middle lane of five, toward the Springfield interchange, police said. At 10:40 p.m., the car passed the exit, in the two left lanes, for southbound Interstate 95, then cut left across the striped pavement back toward the exit ramp and into the path of a 2007 Freightliner tractor-trailer carrying a full load of frozen foods.
In the right lane of the ramp, the Freightliner smashed into the car, drove it into a retaining wall and flipped it over, demolishing it. Thackston, Petkoff and Carter were not wearing seat belts and were ejected, Licklider said. It could not be determined whether the other two passengers had seat belts on because the damage was so severe.
Licklider said it was difficult to determine how large a role alcohol played in the crash, because other drivers told police Thackston appeared to be driving normally until just before impact. "There were no reports of impaired driving, nothing to indicate that she was weaving or doing anything unsafe or illegal," Licklider said.
"For whatever reason, she veered to the left, right in front of this tractor-trailer. We may never know why," he said. Thackston's sudden move was particularly odd, he said, because she would have needed to get onto Interstate 395 north to go to the District, not I-95 south. The exit for 395 was to the right.
A small amount of marijuana was also found in the car, Licklider said.
Thackston had been driving around the 50 mph speed limit but slowed to 10 mph when she was hit by the truck. "There was nothing to indicate excessive speed," Licklider said.
Mike Green, executive director of Mothers Against Drunk Driving's Northern Virginia chapter, called the crash "a terrible tragedy" but said the test results reinforced that parents and schools should have a "zero tolerance" policy toward young people drinking at all, much less getting behind the wheel.
"People under 21 are impetuous, they are risk-takers and they are inexperienced," he said. "It is far more dangerous for a young person to drink and drive than for someone more mature."
The Freightliner was driven by Glenwood B. Spears, 42, of Sanford, N.C. He was not hurt. No charges were filed, and police said he was not at fault and was cooperative in the investigation.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Leave it Alone Already ()
Date: June 12, 2008 11:39AM

aw jeez

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Darlene Arrivillaga ()
Date: November 24, 2008 05:23PM

Girls, Girls. Lidia's mother died this morning, November 24, 2008. I never met Lidia, I hardly knew Joan, but my heart is broken. I hope they are together now.

pyramids17 Wrote:
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> pgens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Still horrified with us? Sorry you didn't know
> > her as well as you thought you did. We will
> now
> > accept your apologies for your public
> criticisms
> > of our "jumping" to the most likely conclusions
> > and being skeptical that things were different
> in
> > this case. I guess the "completely different
> > people" comment had to do with the introduction
> of
> > marijuana? Maybe you knew something about
> this?
> >
> > In any case I guess this explains why the
> > toxicology report took a while... I guess they
> ran
> > blood tests against more than alcohol.
> >
> > Again, sympathies to the families, but now
> > hopefully we can focus on the root cause of
> this
> > crash and apply lessons learned to how we are
> > raising our kids, as opposed to blaming road
> > signs. I hope the truck driver can get some
> peace
> > from this as well... it's hard to guard against
> > other drivers' mistakes when they are drunk and
> > stoned, especially in an area like the mixing
> bowl
> > where driver attention is required.
>
>
> WELL SAID PGENS! I guess Dick Thackston was right!
> Along with all these other people saying the girls
> did nothing wrong. You know, the signage on the
> beltway is soooooo confusing! Especially when
> you're traveling at 10 mph. Oh, and you're stoned.
> Oh, and also, you're drunk. This is so sad because
> it was so dumb. Completely preventable. While I
> feel so bad about it, it's incredibly difficult to
> have much sympathy. Sorry, that's just the way I
> feel.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Glamorous ()
Date: November 24, 2008 05:27PM

Alcohol, the cause of many deaths =((

The drunk driver speeds up at the yellow light, the high driver slows down. What's wrong here?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: curious ()
Date: November 24, 2008 06:16PM

Where did you hear about Joan, Darlene?


Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Darlene Arrivillaga ()
Date: November 24, 2008 05:23PM


Girls, Girls. Lidia's mother died this morning, November 24, 2008. I never met Lidia, I hardly knew Joan, but my heart is broken. I hope they are together now.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Lene ()
Date: November 24, 2008 08:55PM

curious Wrote:
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> Where did you hear about Joan, Darlene?
>
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> Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
> Posted by: Darlene Arrivillaga ()
> Date: November 24, 2008 05:23PM
>
>
> Girls, Girls. Lidia's mother died this morning,
> November 24, 2008. I never met Lidia, I hardly
> knew Joan, but my heart is broken. I hope they are
> together now.

Ok, well Lidia is not even how you spell Lydia. You dumbass, go mind your own business.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: nettthacks <3 ()
Date: January 27, 2010 06:24PM

Yeah, actually. I knew one of them very personally too. She was not the type of person to lose control or make bad decisions. Hmm.. why are you even comenting on this? Nothing you say or do is going to change what happened that so obviously happened because the police were too busy to cover their stupid asses that they wouldn't have admitted that it was the fault of the highway in Virginia that had, in fact, killed many on that very same intersection. An autopsy was also done. There was no alcohol in their blood, only in the back of the car. Don't disrespect the ones who have died. They were good, kind people and you have no idea how much everyone misses them.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Dirty Jersey ()
Date: January 27, 2010 08:07PM

nettthacks <3 Wrote:
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> Yeah, actually. I knew one of them very personally
> too. She was not the type of person to lose
> control or make bad decisions. Hmm.. why are you
> even comenting on this? Nothing you say or do is
> going to change what happened that so obviously
> happened because the police were too busy to cover
> their stupid asses that they wouldn't have
> admitted that it was the fault of the highway in
> Virginia that had, in fact, killed many on that
> very same intersection. An autopsy was also done.
> There was no alcohol in their blood, only in the
> back of the car. Don't disrespect the ones who
> have died. They were good, kind people and you
> have no idea how much everyone misses them.

Lol you fucking wanker

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: unknown ()
Date: January 31, 2010 11:05PM

I highly doubt that anyone will read this, but I am in tears and I felt like it needed to be said. You all are SICK people. I knew Nettie Thackston personally. She might as well have been my sister. If you are going to talk about anyone that died in that accident like they are bad people then you are heartless. If you don’t know them, then what is the matter with you? Honestly? Then tearing apart Richard Thackston? He had just lost his daughter. He had lost one of his family members he was closest with. Just imagine this happening to you then people talking about it. Then people making teen driving jokes. This isn’t a joke. This is four lives we are talking about. Four people who had people who cared about them. I feel sick thinking about this. Not only that but those of you to assume she was drunk, incase you were wondering, when the final tests came back she was sober. She was so sober it was legal for her to be on the road. Think again before you talk. I realize this is years too late but something needed to be said to anyone who posted, anyone thinking of posting, and anyone reading these posts. It brought me to tears.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: *PetDetective* ()
Date: February 01, 2010 02:03AM

Yeah thats a sad fuckin' thing about the internet.
But it is what it is.
So, learn to accept it.

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Who's personal opinions and wild meaningless rants hurt you so, enuough to make you weep.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Too Human ()
Date: July 03, 2011 03:47PM

I came across this while trying to research this particular accident for a friend, and I do feel compelled to say something in that I was actually there. I was the one who was on the phone to 911, I was the one counting bodies in the street, I was the one getting the people who had stopped to help coordinated until State Police arrived. I vividly remember the 911 operator asking me if I knew how and was willing to try CPR, and thinking how silly that would be to try on someone already dead. I remember hearing the screaming from INSIDE the upside down car from the girl who survived, her begging someone to get her out of there.

Despite what anyone may think or feel about everything subjective regarding the evening and the intent of the girls involved, a few facts seem to be downplayed. Safe driving practices, as taught, were ignored on their part. The drug and alcohol use was their own choice, for those that did, and the decision to ride along was the choice of each and every passenger. 'Deserved' and 'didn't deserve' and 'should have' or 'shouldn't have' don't even enter into it. Six lives were altered that night, or is it convenient to forget the tractor trailer driver? But the fact remains is that a driver is responsible for his or her vehicle and how they handle it, and as such the safety of their passengers. In the military and in the aviation field, we have terms such as 'Situational Awareness' and 'Operational Risk Management' and 'Risk Assesment', and I can assure you that from what I saw as a result and what I read in the news in the weeks that followed that either these girls exercised no type of concern at all, or those that did ended up ignoring that gut feeling that something was wrong or all the warning signs that disaster was imminent. Its not about assigning blame, or making a huge push for new rules "to make sure this never happens again', as expected and anticipated reasonable and cautious behavior was departed from.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Kennedy ()
Date: May 14, 2012 01:23PM


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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Another friend ()
Date: May 14, 2012 02:09PM

As mentioned above, the drug and alcohol use was their own choice, for those that did, and the decision to ride along was the choice of each and every passenger.

The alcohol has long ago evaporated, and the worms have moved on, but our memories of these young women lingers.

Rest in peace.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Rip ()
Date: May 14, 2012 06:17PM

RIP. but I remember one of them had to go to summer school til graduated because she failed one class, so I wonder if she would of been like Carlos if she didn't pass

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: student ()
Date: May 14, 2012 06:18PM

Elaine "Nettie" Thackston, 20, she was 20 when she graduated

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: BEH ()
Date: May 15, 2012 07:36AM

student Wrote:
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> Elaine "Nettie" Thackston, 20, she was 20 when
> she graduated

Proof that lack of intelligence can lead to premature death?

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: May 15, 2012 08:03AM

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> Elaine "Nettie" Thackston, 20, she was 20 when
> she graduated

She was a Mason student when this happened, where does it say she was 20 at her own high school graduation?

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Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 15, 2012 09:39AM

Elaine "Nettie" Thackston, 20

George Mason University student, New Hampshire resident

When Elaine Minette Konietzko Schierioth Thackston, known as "Nettie" or "Minette," returned home two weeks ago for a car inspection, it seemed as if her life was coming together nicely, said her father Dick Thackston.

Sitting on the sidelines of her brother’s lacrosse game in Troy, N.H., Nettie Thackston chatted animatedly to her parents about the children she babysat for in Fairfax County and how much she enjoyed them.

She also said she had decided to major in French at George Mason University.

"The last time I saw her, she was very excited she that had a good year at school. … She was trying desperately to act like she was interested in her brother’s lacrosse game no matter how bored she was," said Dick Thackston.

A few days later, on June 12, Dick Thackston talked to his daughter for the last time. Nettie Thackston told him over the phone she would be attending West Potomac High School’s graduation and then taking the train to meet her sister at college in New Orleans.

The two sisters planned to drive back to New Hampshire together and Nettie Thackston would start work as a camp counselor in Richmond, N.H. next week.

But Nettie Thackston was killed along with three other passengers when her car collided with a tractor-trailer last week. Her family plans to have a funeral service for her in New Hampshire.

An avid traveler, Nettie Thackston had visited several other countries including Australia, France, the United Kingdom, Ireland, Spain and Portugal.

Her interest in international culture began in sixth grade, when she was selected to go to Europe as an ambassador of the United States through the People-to-People program, which promotes understanding foreign countries through travel.

Her father said she chose to attend George Mason, where both her parents went to school, in part because of the Washington, D.C. area’s "international flavor."

After college, she wanted to teach either English in France or French in the United States, he said.

With over 90 percent hearing loss, Nettie Thackston took particular interest in studying languages.

"The process of learning language was something that she learned to do early on and she had a certain fascination with it," said her father.

Most recently, Nettie Thackston and Sarah Carter, another victim of the crash, had taken a trip to The Netherlands and England over Mason's winter break.

The two students shared an apartment together off-campus and Carter introduced Nettie Thackston to the other victims of the crash, according to Dick Thackston.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: May 15, 2012 12:18PM

In May 2006 she was a student at Mason, age 19. She didn't graduate high school at 20.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: stephen ()
Date: May 15, 2012 04:28PM

This is why drunk Drivers should be registered, so we can all stay out of their cars.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Tyrone Shoelaces ()
Date: May 15, 2012 10:36PM

A little compassion never hurt: here's a song that has helped me get through some tough times:

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: BEH ()
Date: May 16, 2012 07:35AM

Why have compassion for someone who drives like shit and gets themselves killed?
They'd kill you with no remorse, other than the inconvenience of having to go to court. Besides, their remorse does nothing for you. You're dead or maimed and your car is wrecked because some bitch was texting or drunk. They'll cry in court, but only for themselves.
Be thankful you didn't get in the way of this particular douche. The fact that she's dead increases the chances for your own survival.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 16, 2012 08:01AM

It's kinda hard to have compassion on this one, Tyrone
I remember one of the father of one of the girls was on some personal crusade to crucify the truck driver and VDOT at the onset of all this, that kinda makes it hard in retrospect.

Still feel sorry for the trucker. If y'all dont know the details, the girls cut him off at the last minute cause the ramps for the Bowl had just changed over sometime that week and they didnt realize it til the last minute, or something like that. That's how the crash happend.

Anywho, the dad was all "how could you do this to my precious angel" till the tox report came out. Really was trying to stick it to the trucker I remember that...............

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: Tyrone ()
Date: May 16, 2012 10:40PM

I get that and I don't have compassion for the action, just the effect that it has and will continue to have for others. Pearl Jam is a good band and the lyrics to the song really do make sense though, for the others that were and/or have been affected or forced to grow up and reevaluate theirselves from this makes complete sense and gives reason. The truck driver in this story faces the true tragedy and hopefully is able to continue life with a good conscience and soul. Either way, enjoy the damn song and relate it to yourself, it's a gem.

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: adfafdsaf ()
Date: March 23, 2016 04:20PM

saddd

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Re: Beltway crash kills 4 teens
Posted by: time machine. ()
Date: September 16, 2020 09:02AM

So the girl is in prison now. No surprise there.

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