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Re: Why do most students have difficulty learning geometry?
Posted by:
Math Dude
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Date: October 12, 2021 10:10AM
Well, it's hard. I mean, we're talking about a subject that was the pinnacle of math for thousands of years.
The other side of it is that it's the first (and maybe only) time 2d / 3d thinking is really exercised. If someone isn't good at it -- and a lot of otherwise smart people have difficulty thinking that way -- then there are problems.
Re: Why do most students have difficulty learning geometry?
Posted by:
It isn't difficult...
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Date: October 12, 2021 11:35AM
Barry5 Wrote:
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> Why do most students have difficulty learning
> geometry? Why is the brain so reluctant to
> understand simple equations?
Unlike most of the basic Math subjects, Geometry isn't really about equations.
It is an introduction to "proofs". Problems are solved by taking premises and deducing conclusions. It is a different skill set than algebra. The higher math courses rely heavily on such proofs.
Re: Why do most students have difficulty learning geometry?
Posted by:
y756i56i
()
Date: October 12, 2021 02:05PM
Math Dude Wrote:
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> Well, it's hard. I mean, we're talking about a
> subject that was the pinnacle of math for
> thousands of years.
>
> The other side of it is that it's the first (and
> maybe only) time 2d / 3d thinking is really
> exercised. If someone isn't good at it -- and a
> lot of otherwise smart people have difficulty
> thinking that way -- then there are problems.
Re: Why do most students have difficulty learning geometry?
Posted by:
Math Dude
()
Date: October 12, 2021 04:55PM
It isn't difficult... Wrote:
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> Barry5 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why do most students have difficulty learning
> > geometry? Why is the brain so reluctant to
> > understand simple equations?
>
>
> Unlike most of the basic Math subjects, Geometry
> isn't really about equations.
> It is an introduction to "proofs". Problems are
> solved by taking premises and deducing
> conclusions. It is a different skill set than
> algebra. The higher math courses rely heavily on
> such proofs.
That used to be true, but my understanding is Geometry courses these days are somewhere between extremely light on proofs to not requiring them at all. All that ed school blather about encouraging "critical thinking" and they got rid of the only class that required formal logic & reasoning.
They replaced that in the curriculum with Critical Reasoning Theory (I think that's what CRT stands for). Predictably, Republitards and other Trumptards are against it.
Nobody uses Geometry anyway. Might as well just push that off to maths majors in college freshman year.
Re: Why do most students have difficulty learning geometry?
Posted by:
Patrik
()
Date: October 15, 2021 01:23AM
Barry5 Wrote:
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> Why do most students have difficulty learning
> geometry? Why is the brain so reluctant to
> understand simple equations?
Geometry is an important school subject. But, according to statistics, it is this discipline that causes difficulties for almost half of the schoolchildren, because it requires deep knowledge, the ability to combine logical and spatial thinking. As our tutor says https://tutors.gioschool.com/tutors/subjects-geometry, the reason for the difficulties in studying geometry is the lack of proper attention to the solution process described in school textbooks. I notice that in the course of training, the emphasis is primarily on working out and mastering the basic principles of geometry, taking into account the subtleties of my child's perception.
As for me, it's not all problem in students or their brains. Sometimes, my nephew tells me about the school, the education system, and teachers. And I am scared about kids' future. It's abnormal to find tutors when you are in primary school. Why I, who found a topic like this https://tutorcruncher.com/tutoring-online/a-beginners-guide-to-tutoring-online/, know more about what to do with students rather than professional specialists with diplomas? It's not a point in geometry or math at all, it's about incompetent teachers.
Re: Why do most students have difficulty learning geometry?
Posted by:
Oleg21
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Date: January 07, 2022 02:58AM
I used to have a lot of difficulty with arithmetic. I decided to start tackling this issue after a long time of reflection and went to math blog. And it was very helpful to me. After only a few days, my arithmetic skills had improved by an order of magnitude. I strongly suggest that you visit their website.
There are many math games for kids, but if you want to make learning the subject fun, try playing Prodigy. what do 4th graders learn in math? This educational program has been used by millions of teachers and students throughout the world, and has an engaging interface that kids can manage themselves. Each card in Prodigy contains a question and multiple answers that kids can choose from. The game is multi-lingual, too, so it's not just for children in one language.
This is a problem of education and motivation of children because firstly, there are a lot of different entertainments that distract the child, and secondly, if teachers or parents do not give that spark to learn real subjects, then they result accordingly. This is all the result of my life experience, now, I can not always even convert units, so I have to go to cm-to and have him calculate for me to trivially translate diameters to inches. That is the problem.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/29/2022 09:48AM by GordfelcOn.
Re: Why do most students have difficulty learning geometry?
Posted by:
identical twin
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Date: June 27, 2022 01:58PM
I am an identical twin. I took Geometry in 9th grade over 45 years ago. I just did so-so, found it a bit overwhelming but ground through with what I recall is a B. Found Algebra somewhat easy the year prior. My twin, with identical capabilities, did quite well in Geometry and went on to become a math major at a highly respected public university, despite the pressures of a NCAA Division 1 athletic scholarship (I had the same experience). My brother, now an Econ Phd and investor, formerly a UVa professor, points out that he had far better math instructors than I did. His Geometry and Trig teacher was not well liked as she was incredibly no nonsense, but a great teacher. A member of the school board told me not to avoid her because her instruction changed lives, and look to past and her rough surface demeanor. I did not listen. I don't think it would be easy for today given different expectations and classroom behavior, but a great teacher in math can make a huge difference. By the way, no knock on my teachers - the school was one of the best in the state and very few poor single mother kids get to go the schools I went to - but there is no question a great teacher matters. (In a similar vein, my brother took three courses in the math department from a visiting professor at Dartmouth - great teaching is not sufficiently rewarded in academia and his advisor and his coach begged to take advantage of the Dartmouth guy while he was at the school).
Virginia Tech apparently has very good math instruction. Teaching in this subject really matters. Given many universities reluctance to focus on teaching, I suspect that there are very good math teachers at the community college level. It takes work to find them.
As a benchmark, I did slightly better than my brother on the math and verbal portions of the SAT, equal to him on the GREs and ACTs. I wish I had done better in math. It would have made me examine more possibilities than I did.
I'd say because at first it's boring and then suddenly it's too difficult. If the teacher manages to make it less boring, the kids won't lose interest in it and eventually will be able to learn the difficult part of school geometry program.
However, in real life what matters is not your math grades, but your IQ level. Any activity that trains your brain will help a kid to become a smart adult. For instance, I recommend solving Sudoku - it requires a lot of logical thinking and is not boring at all, so kids love it.
Re: Why do most students have difficulty learning geometry?
Posted by:
Mathematics Major
()
Date: July 15, 2024 01:56AM
I Feel You Wrote:
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> I get the question.
>
> The thing with "proofs" messed up with my brain.
>
> I received a minor in mathematics at William &
> Mary in the 1980s.
>
> I excelled at Abstract Algebra and Matrix
> Analysis. Yet, I was still weak on geometry.
How the fuck did you get through Advanced Calculus, or did you not make it that far? Advanced Calculus is all proofs. Proofs do not mess up your brain; they exercise it.
Re: Why do most students have difficulty learning geometry?
Posted by:
Die Spammer!!!!!
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Date: August 28, 2024 09:36PM
Patrik Wrote:
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> Barry5 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why do most students have difficulty learning
> > geometry? Why is the brain so reluctant to
> > understand simple equations?
>
>
> Geometry is an important school subject. But,
> according to statistics, it is this discipline
> that causes difficulties for almost half of the
> schoolchildren, because it requires deep
> knowledge, the ability to combine logical and
> spatial thinking. As our tutor says
> https://tutors.gioschool.com/tutors/subjects-geome
> try, the reason for the difficulties in studying
> geometry is the lack of proper attention to the
> solution process described in school textbooks. I
> notice that in the course of training, the
> emphasis is primarily on working out and mastering
> the basic principles of geometry, taking into
> account the subtleties of my child's perception.
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