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The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: GuntherVA ()
Date: June 06, 2007 04:47PM

I'm against both underground and above-ground.

The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(same as cars/trucks/buses)

Traffic in the Tysons area is already bad enough, building a rail line on ground
level and taking out 2 or 4 lanes of Route 7 may make it even worse. However,
I'm hoping the traffic will get really, really, really bad and deter drivers
from driving into this area altogether.(and therefore reduce traffice in a
roundabout way) :)

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: ben ()
Date: June 06, 2007 04:49PM

GuntherVA Wrote:
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> I'm against both underground and above-ground.
>
> The Dulles rail should just be built on ground
> level.(same as cars/trucks/buses)
>
> Traffic in the Tysons area is already bad enough,
> building a rail line on ground
> level and taking out 2 or 4 lanes of Route 7 may
> make it even worse. However,
> I'm hoping the traffic will get really, really,
> really bad and deter drivers
> from driving into this area altogether.(and
> therefore reduce traffice in a
> roundabout way) :)


Do tell us where there's space on ground level to put it? Oh, there isn't!

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: GuntherVB ()
Date: June 06, 2007 04:55PM

That's precisely what I meant... there isn't any space.
Just take 2 or 4 lanes of the exisint route 7(plus the
exisiting medium) and build the rail right there.

The traffice will mostly likely grind to a halt during
and after the contruction, but that's the goal. So many
people will be turned off by the awful traffice, they'll
simply stop coming...

I used to live in Rockville. When they super-widened I-270,
the traffic got better for a few years. Now it's just as bad
as before...

ben Wrote:


>
> Do tell us where there's space on ground level to
> put it? Oh, there isn't!

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: ben ()
Date: June 06, 2007 04:58PM

GuntherVB Wrote:
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> That's precisely what I meant... there isn't any
> space.
> Just take 2 or 4 lanes of the exisint route 7(plus
> the
> exisiting medium) and build the rail right there.
>
> The traffice will mostly likely grind to a halt
> during
> and after the contruction, but that's the goal.
> So many
> people will be turned off by the awful traffice,
> they'll
> simply stop coming...
>
> I used to live in Rockville. When they
> super-widened I-270,
> the traffic got better for a few years. Now it's
> just as bad
> as before...
>

Except for the majority of people who work for a living and have no choice but to drive into and through the area.

If it becomes unbearable, businesses may move out of the area, and then you lose your tax base and the whole reason people visit Tysons in the first place.

Sounds like a flawed plan to me.

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: stinkypoon ()
Date: June 06, 2007 05:00PM

GuntherVB Wrote:
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> I used to live in Rockville. When they
> super-widened I-270,
> the traffic got better for a few years. Now it's
> just as bad
> as before...
>

Better yet let's close the bridge on 495. Then the losers that commute from Rockville and want the high-paying Tysons jobs are forced to move here and start paying taxes like the rest of us. I don't know what bothers me more the freeloaders across the river or the selfish state of VA that is all take and no give.

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: June 06, 2007 09:14PM

In this area, no matter how many roads or parking spaces you build remember"if you build it, they will come".

If a 10 story parking garage is built for the Metro at Tysons, it will be full by 6:30 am on opening day.

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: June 06, 2007 09:42PM

If a 10 story parking garage is built for the Metro at Tysons, it will be full by 6:30 am on opening day.

I really doubt that. I park at the West Falls Church Metro every morning, it's the closest one to Tysons (only 2-3 miles away down Rt. 7). I get there around 7-7:30AM and it's usually pretty empty, you can really park anywhere you want. I've been there at 6:30, and it's a ghost town, you'll get the first spots. Get there after 9 and you'll probably have to drive around and then park on the upper deck. It's really not that bad.

A 10-story parking deck at one of the Tysons stations would be a waste of space and money, at least for now.

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: June 07, 2007 12:57AM

What would be awesome is the fucking flying cars we were promised by the government and the science community over 40 years ago in all those pamphlets about the future.

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 07, 2007 01:11AM

GuntherVA Wrote:
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> I'm hoping the traffic will get really, really,
> really bad and deter drivers
> from driving into this area altogether.(and
> therefore reduce traffice in a
> roundabout way) :)



a) it wont happen.
b) i hope someone installs a shiv in your side.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: SomeGuy ()
Date: June 07, 2007 09:14AM

Hah... underground or ground level??? They are planning on making part of it through tysons some 40 feet up in the air... exactly what we need, Metro on stilts.

http://www.tysonstunnel.org/tt_under_boards.htm

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: gesoffen ()
Date: June 07, 2007 10:14AM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> What would be awesome is the fucking flying cars
> we were promised by the government and the science
> community over 40 years ago in all those pamphlets
> about the future.

While the concept is cool, I shudder to think of the consequences of giving the average DC area driver a flying car.

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 07, 2007 10:25AM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> What would be awesome is the fucking flying cars
> we were promised by the government and the science
> community over 40 years ago in all those pamphlets
> about the future.


a) the energy cost of flying was found to be too high
b) recently, terrorism
c) they realized it would make the most insane drives because of old people (aka accidental terrorists)

just so you know, they did actually make a flying car.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: June 07, 2007 08:14PM

Gravis Wrote:

>
> just so you know, they did actually make a flying
> car.


Eh-hemm. they are making flying cars, and NASA's got us covered! Read through and see where NASA says Personal Air Vehicles would make sense in areas like Tysons Corner to the mixing bowl. Read on... Facinating

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20060010178_2006010366.pdf

Personal Air Vehicles/Personal Air Transportation
Emerging Technologies along with the Integrated Autonomous digital Automatic
flight-capable Airspace just briefly described enables serious [re]consideration of
Personal Air vehicles. Such vehicles have been considered periodically at least
since the 1920’s but were never deemed feasible – due to a combination of piloting
requirement and technology shortfalls. The current PAVE requirement set
includes a Combination of fly/drive to avoid the necessity of airport utilization /
major capitol investments and to avoid having to buy two [disparate] vehicles.
Other requirements-to-nice to have include < $50K, Super STOL [< 30M
takeoff length], and of course Automatic operation.
Three generations/classes of such vehicles are probable. The/an initial version
could be Robotic Package delivery using UAV’s, largely via civilian application of
Military UAV investments. Once this is proven safe the UAV’s could become
passenger-carrying , evolving into PAVE vehicles. An initial PAVE/Passengercarrying
UAV could be relatively modest in terms of air-side capability but
tremendously useful/popular – a 2 carriage 100 Kn device to address the
“Commuter” mission. The intent is to not let them fly “downtown” [the vision of
many thousands converging on a sporting event is simply “not on” for awhile –
quite a while], but there are now Myriads of “Satellite” semi-urban areas [e.g.
Tysons Corner near Washington D.C.] where their Air Operation should be
feasible, including bypass of the nearby infamous Interstate Intersection termed the
“mixing bowl”. The third class of PAVE would have greater speed, range and
carriage, including, with a few “pit stops”, Intercontinental Operations. There
simply is FAR more [3-D] Airspace available than hyper-expensive and often
highly congested [1-D] ribbons of concrete.

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: June 08, 2007 12:51AM

They do have flying cars gravis, and they are ridiculous and expensive, and look like planes without real wings, and no reasonable person would call them a replacement for the everyday commuter car.
Attachments:
flying-car-m400.jpg

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: mw451 ()
Date: June 12, 2007 07:25PM

There is no room to build it on the ground.

It either goes above, or below.

For the cost, I think above makes more sense.

But truthfully, Tyson's is such a mess, they should Nuke it and star all over.

I remember when Tyson's was the World's biggest shopping center, just itself, 1 level.

Now that entire area is a CF.

Seriously, the county made some really bad choices on letting developers go ape-shiat with tha area, and it is a mess.

Bulldoze it. Start Over. And PLAN it out this time.

mw

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: June 12, 2007 07:41PM

Now that entire area is a CF.

It ain't that bad. In fact, it's not much worse than it was when I moved here in 97. Sure, around rush hour it gets crazy and unpredictable, and mall traffic on the weekend can be annoying. But it ain't that bad. I've definitely noticed how people who don't live here really over-exaggerate about how 'bad' Tysons is, especially compared to other places in NoVA. I've encountered equally overcrowded messes in Reston, Merrifield, Falls Church, Herndon, and Centreville, etc on a regular basis.

But what do I know, I've only lived here for 10+ years...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/12/2007 07:42PM by TheMeeper.

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 13, 2007 12:26AM

mw451 Wrote:
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> But truthfully, Tyson's is such a mess, they
> should Nuke it and star all over.


LOL! that's fucking great. xD


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: stinkypoon ()
Date: June 13, 2007 10:50AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Now that entire area is a CF.
>
> It ain't that bad. In fact, it's not much worse
> than it was when I moved here in 97. Sure, around
> rush hour it gets crazy and unpredictable, and
> mall traffic on the weekend can be annoying. But
> it ain't that bad. I've definitely noticed how
> people who don't live here really over-exaggerate
> about how 'bad' Tysons is, especially compared to
> other places in NoVA. I've encountered equally
> overcrowded messes in Reston, Merrifield, Falls
> Church, Herndon, and Centreville, etc on a regular
> basis.
>
> But what do I know, I've only lived here for 10+
> years...

Well I've lived here for 22+ years and I can testify that it is MUCH worse. It's not just the volume of cars, but these people can't drive and block intersections. Spillover from the major highways takes its toll too. You can't go a mile in Tysons in less than 10 minutes unless it is 3am. During the holidays it can take over an hour to get through this tiny little mess. I stand by mw451: NUKE IT.

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Re: The Dulles rail should just be built on ground level.(not underground or above-ground)
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: June 13, 2007 05:07PM

Well I've lived here for 22+ years and I can testify that it is MUCH worse. You can't go a mile in Tysons in less than 10 minutes unless it is 3am.

Well I just drove more than 2 miles down 7, during rush hour, in less than 10.

Stinky, what part of Tysons do you live in?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/13/2007 05:08PM by TheMeeper.

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