VT done Wrote:
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> Engineering is one of the restricted majors at
> Tech. There should be a special page on their
> admissions that lists the reqs for freshmen and
> sophomores to gain admittance to the engineering
> school. Many of them are weeded out in frehman
> and sophomore mathematics (I remember the figure to
> be upwards of 70% switch after freshman year,
> usually to business). It behooves one to take
> them in AP to get credit for the courses.

Add Organic Chemistry and Physics to the core introductory courses that you can take as Advanced Placement. Your freshmen year is loaded with courses that eliminate majors from Engineering, Math, Chemistry, Physics, and Biology.

VT done Wrote:
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> VT done Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Engineering is one of the restricted majors at
> > Tech. There should be a special page on their
> > admissions that lists the reqs for freshmen and
> > sophomores to gain admittance to the
> engineering
> > school. Many of them are weeded out in frehman
> > and sophomore mathematics (I remember the figure
> to
> > be upwards of 70% switch after freshman year,
> > usually to business). It behooves one to take
> > them in AP to get credit for the courses.
>
> Add Organic Chemistry and Physics to the core
> introductory courses that you can take as Advanced
> Placement. Your freshmen year is loaded with
> courses that eliminate majors from Engineering,
> Math, Chemistry, Physics, and Biology.

Getting admitted and graduating are two feats. Add the licensing requirements post graduation and you will see why the field is highly paid. The BS is over 120 credits which is why some take more than 4 years to graduate. The first 8 hour exam is taken upon graduation. After that, the graduate must practice in particular fields for 4 more years under the supervision of other licensed Engineers in order to qualify for the second 8 hour exam. In addition, the candidate must be recommended to take the exam by obtaining several character references by other licensed Engineers. Most Engineers abide by a strict moral code because of these requirements. Every ABET Engineering college has similiar rigorous standards - not just VT.

YOU are the only idiot here. College is what you make of it, period. If I knew who you were, I would tell everyone to steer clear of your company. I also work in a large company, where most people have advanced degrees. It is so selective, that we only hire about 10% of the applicant pool in any given year. We we do not select employees merely by the reputation of the school they attended. There are plenty of jerks and unsuitable individuals from all schools and all walks of life. We have people from Yale, Columbia, Middle Tennesse State, Chico State, UVA, Carleton College, Middlebury, JMU, VA Tech, Longwood, Bryn Mawr, Smith, UC-Berkeley, UCLA, University of Alabama, University of Tennesse, GMU, and Dartmouth...all working side-by-side. The director of our entire organization went to ODU! He has UVA and Yale people working for HIM. We have an entrance test, a fifty page application, and an extensive interview process. Clearly, talented people come from many backgrounds, and we do not want all of our employees from one type of school. Sometimes people from the more famous schools come in with an attitude of entitlement, not wanting to get their hands dirty for the mission. We screen for that during the interview process, and it works very well, thank you very much. We have wonderful people from UVA, but we have wonderful people from all the schools from which we've recruited, including some schools you've never heard of before. My neighbor's daughter, who wanted to go to UVA but didn't get in and instead went to JMU, is now at Yale for medical school. IF YOU WORK HARD AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE RESOURCES AT WHATEVER UNDERGRADUATE INSTITUTION YOU ATTEND, YOU WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. My son is not an idiot -- he narrowed his choice down to JMU or Tech because he decided he wanted to study Geographic Information Systems (GIS), WHICH IS NOT OFFERED AT UVA OR W&M. He wasn't quite sure of this when he started his application process. If he had been, he wouldn't have bothered applying to UVA or W&M. If he were to change his mind, he knew JMU and Tech would have plenty of other majors to choose from. He had fourth year friends in his GIS department at JMU now who have gotten fabulous job offers before even graduating, and many have also gotten into prestigious GIS graduate programs, including Dartmouth (the only Ivy League with this concentration). BTW, I attended UVA myself, and I'm appalled at your attitude. If you are running around spreading that attitude, and you are a UVA graudate, please be quiet -- I don't want anyone to think you in any way represent the attitude of most UVA graduates. Over the years, though, I have unfortunately known a number of fellow Wahoos who seem to think they are the only ones on the playing field. This is unfortunate, for it takes people from every type of background and place to create an optimal workforce, graduate school, or other community. Let's just say, there is a reason most of our ancestors left the Old Country all those years ago -- to get away from people of just this kind of elitist, entitled attitude. Some people just aren't happy unless they can come up with a way to make themselves feel superior to others, whether it be through attending an elite college or making a lot of money. Oh, and BTW, a JMU nursing student has beat UVA out for "Nursing Student of the Year" for the last two years.

CollegeWatcher Wrote:
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> YOU are the only idiot here. College is what you
> make of it, period. If I knew who you were, I
> would tell everyone to steer clear of your
> company. I also work in a large company, where
> most people have advanced degrees. It is so
> selective, that we only hire about 10% of the
> applicant pool in any given year. We we do not
> select employees merely by the reputation of the
> school they attended. There are plenty of jerks
> and unsuitable individuals from all schools and
> all walks of life. We have people from Yale,
> Columbia, Middle Tennesse State, Chico State, UVA,
> Carleton College, Middlebury, JMU, VA Tech,
> Longwood, Bryn Mawr, Smith, UC-Berkeley, UCLA,
> University of Alabama, University of Tennesse,
> GMU, and Dartmouth...all working side-by-side.
> The director of our entire organization went to
> ODU! He has UVA and Yale people working for HIM.
> We have an entrance test, a fifty page
> application, and an extensive interview process.
> Clearly, talented people come from many
> backgrounds, and we do not want all of our
> employees from one type of school. Sometimes
> people from the more famous schools come in with
> an attitude of entitlement, not wanting to get
> their hands dirty for the mission. We screen for
> that during the interview process, and it works
> very well, thank you very much. We have wonderful
> people from UVA, but we have wonderful people from
> all the schools from which we've recruited,
> including some schools you've never heard of
> before. My neighbor's daughter, who wanted to go
> to UVA but didn't get in and instead went to JMU,
> is now at Yale for medical school. IF YOU WORK
> HARD AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE RESOURCES AT
> WHATEVER UNDERGRADUATE INSTITUTION YOU ATTEND, YOU
> WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. My son is not an idiot -- he
> narrowed his choice down to JMU or Tech because he
> decided he wanted to study Geographic Information
> Systems (GIS), WHICH IS NOT OFFERED AT UVA OR W&M.
> He wasn't quite sure of this when he started his
> application process. If he had been, he wouldn't
> have bothered applying to UVA or W&M. If he were
> to change his mind, he knew JMU and Tech would
> have plenty of other majors to choose from. He
> had fourth year friends in his GIS department at
> JMU now who have gotten fabulous job offers before
> even graduating, and many have also gotten into
> prestigious GIS graduate programs, including
> Dartmouth (the only Ivy League with this
> concentration). BTW, I attended UVA myself, and
> I'm appalled at your attitude. If you are running
> around spreading that attitude, and you are a UVA
> graudate, please be quiet -- I don't want anyone
> to think you in any way represent the attitude of
> most UVA graduates. Over the years, though, I
> have unfortunately known a number of fellow Wahoos
> who seem to think they are the only ones on the
> playing field. This is unfortunate, for it takes
> people from every type of background and place to
> create an optimal workforce, graduate school, or
> other community. Let's just say, there is a
> reason most of our ancestors left the Old Country
> all those years ago -- to get away from people of
> just this kind of elitist, entitled attitude. Some
> people just aren't happy unless they can come up
> with a way to make themselves feel superior to
> others, whether it be through attending an elite
> college or making a lot of money. Oh, and BTW, a
> JMU nursing student has beat UVA out for "Nursing
> Student of the Year" for the last two years.
Attachments:

2012 Acceptance Rates

Tech brings up the rear.

UVA 33
William & Mary 35
GMU 53
JMU 60
Va Tech 67

Mason is still largely a commuter school and lacks the sense of community that UVA, W&M, Tech, and JMU have. They may accept 53 percent, but their GPA and scores are still lower than those of JMU and Tech. There is more to the "selectivity" measure than just the percentage of students accepted. Some colleges have self select applicant pools, meaning that all of the students who apply are top notch, so even if they accepted 80%, the school would still have a very high caliber entering class. One example of this is University of Chicago. On the College Board website, the College Board provides as part of their statistics on each school the percentage of entering freshmen who had over various GPA increments, as well as SAT's. The statistic of class rank means little anymore, as most schools no longer report it on students' transcripts (fewer than 40% do). Bottom line is, you can't just go by numbers and statistics to gauge how rigorous, intellectual, vibrant, or community-oriented a campus is. Only visiting, talking with a handful of students, meeting with some professors, and sitting in on some classes will help you determine that.

I went to VT, my wife went to UVA. Both are great schools and we would be thrilled for our kids to go to either one.

W&M IS ACADEMICALLY elite. If you search UVA ranking and W&M these two schools rank very closely everytime. Both of these schools are GREAT and considered Public Ivy leage.

Very well said. I did not attend any elite or even medium ranking schools and I do very well. Hard work, attitude, determination to do well does much more for a career than the name of a school.

My two cents Wrote:
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> W&M IS ACADEMICALLY elite. If you search UVA
> ranking and W&M these two schools rank very
> closely everytime. Both of these schools are
> GREAT and considered Public Ivy leage.


You are an idiot. W&M does not turn out engineers which we need. W&M turns out unemployable academically elite arrogant people who will not work for the pittance salaries that their elite diplomas command. UVA turns out people who cannot hear anyone talk because they are too busy telling everyone how they went to UVA.

Also don't forget that virginia tech has a vetrinary school! I had a 4.26 out of high school and chose tech so I could go to vetrinary school ther, not to mention the best marching band ( which I am part of), the most intense school spirit, beautiful campus, great sports and food!

I also challenge you to find one person who went to Tech that is not the most enthusiastic alumnae that you have ever met. The pride and school spirit is just unparalleled

Short92 Wrote:
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> I also challenge you to find one person who went
> to Tech that is not the most enthusiastic alumnae
> that you have ever met. The pride and school
> spirit is just unparalleled


Hey, there's no accounting for taste, right? Tech is a crap school filled with hillbillies and fratty idiots. But if you like that sort of thing, of course you wear it with pride.

I'll start with this. You are arrogant little bitch. first of all, not your kid, second, you don't even know what kid wants to study. if he is in to engineering or architect, Tech tops UVA everyday of the year. You must be a type of idiot who would send your kid to Harvard over Georgia Tech or UC Berkeley when he wants to study engineering.

If u go to college you are a peenus

beevus Wrote:
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> If u go to college you are a peenus


Ha! I went to a party at Tech, asked a girl if she wanted to french and she kicked me in the "peenus".

First please excuse grammer on high levels of alergy medication.

Virginia.... We moved to this state because of the colleges and nothing else. Well before kids. living in Fla. we were vacationing in Williamsburg and a certain waiter we engaged was going to W & M. He just went on and on about Virginia colleges. WM, UVA, VT, Wash & Lee, etc. etc. 25 years later we live in VA. My son could have gone in state, but he was drawn out of state [athletics]. But he has a full ride for his graduate work thanks to Northern VA. My daughter has accepted her position at UVA. Offered $78,000 in SC, offered $32,000 in FL. Hell no, she is a Hoo! Where ever the kids go, IT IS VIRGINIA, and be proud! Our colleges in totality are by far the best!! Well done parents!!!

Please do not equate job offers with $ after grauation to the quality of the college. My children had sevearal UVA graduates as teachers in high school. They made the same as other teachers, but I can tell you by far UVA grads were the cream of the crop as teachers. What is that worth? I seriously do not know. But I offer this, if my child goes on to cure cancer, as she got her interest in science/chemistry from her HS UVA gradute teacher. Now what is that worth? Parent without a college degree......GO UVA!!!

DO YOU KNOW WHAT UVA AND VT STUDENTS HAVE IN COMMON....THEY ALL GOT ACCEPTED TO VT.

Don't count on that. Especially if you are from NoVa, admissions at the better Virginia state schools can be a crap shoot, and sometimes it is hard to figure out why one kid got in at one school and didn't get in at another.

Everyone is forgetting about the most up and coming school in Virginia which is Old Dominion University. The campus is rebuilt, beautiful, and the school is now energized with going D1 Football next year just after starting a football program 4 years ago. Watch and see what happens and the transformation to this school over the next 5 years. It will explode with students wanting to go there. As Coach Beamer of VA Tech said, the worse thing that can happen to VA Tech football is if ODU gets a football program. Go Monarchs.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Don't count on that. Especially if you are from
> NoVa, admissions at the better Virginia state
> schools can be a crap shoot, and sometimes it is
> hard to figure out why one kid got in at one
> school and didn't get in at another.

Get real. Anyone who got into UVa got into VT. Or they didn't apply. The medial admissions numbers aren't even close.

On the look out Wrote:
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> Everyone is forgetting about the most up and
> coming school in Virginia which is Old Dominion
> University. The campus is rebuilt, beautiful, and
> the school is now energized with going D1 Football
> next year just after starting a football program 4
> years ago. Watch and see what happens and the
> transformation to this school over the next 5
> years. It will explode with students wanting to
> go there. As Coach Beamer of VA Tech said, the
> worse thing that can happen to VA Tech football is
> if ODU gets a football program. Go Monarchs.

Oh please, ODU doesn't even register. Tech, UVA, WM, GMU, JMU, CNU, and even VCU are all better.

three cents Wrote:
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> You are an idiot. W&M does not turn out engineers
> which we need. W&M turns out unemployable
> academically elite arrogant people who will not
> work for the pittance salaries that their elite
> diplomas command. UVA turns out people who cannot
> hear anyone talk because they are too busy telling
> everyone how they went to UVA.


W&M is in the top 50 schools in the whole country for PhDs in the sciences. It's one of 3 public schools in those rankings... AND it's the only one in the state.

Va Tech acceptance rate - 66.5%, #72 national university.
UVa acceptance rate - 33.3%, #24 national university.
W&M acceptance rate - 34.6%, #33 national university.
JMU acceptance rate - 59.5%, #6 regional university.
VMI acceptance rate - 46.2%, #70 national liberal arts college.
ODU acceptance rate - 75.4%, unranked national university.
GMU acceptance rate - 52.8%, #139 national university.
Radford acceptance rate - 80.2%, #50 regional university.
Mary Washington acceptance rate - 75.7%, #16 regional university.

This is all from US News 2013. Say what you will about the rankings, but they are a significant barometer of reputation. Both students and the schools themselves use them. Based on the above, it's not even close. UVa and W&M are the only two national universities in state. The rest are some degree of so-so to good. But you can't compare schools like GMU, Tech and ODU to UVa and W&M with a straight face.

StatsGuru Wrote:
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> Va Tech acceptance rate - 66.5%, #72 national
> university.
> UVa acceptance rate - 33.3%, #24 national
> university.
> W&M acceptance rate - 34.6%, #33 national
> university.
> JMU acceptance rate - 59.5%, #6 regional
> university.
> VMI acceptance rate - 46.2%, #70 national liberal
> arts college.
> ODU acceptance rate - 75.4%, unranked national
> university.
> GMU acceptance rate - 52.8%, #139 national
> university.
> Radford acceptance rate - 80.2%, #50 regional
> university.
> Mary Washington acceptance rate - 75.7%, #16
> regional university.
>
> This is all from US News 2013. Say what you will
> about the rankings, but they are a significant
> barometer of reputation. Both students and the
> schools themselves use them. Based on the above,
> it's not even close. UVa and W&M are the only two
> national universities in state. The rest are some
> degree of so-so to good. But you can't compare
> schools like GMU, Tech and ODU to UVa and W&M with
> a straight face.

Your own data shows that VaTech is a "national university", so there goes one of your assertions. Further, something that is not borne out by acceptance rates is that VaTech has a lot more engineering grads than does UVa who are doing meaningful work in their chosen profession...

StatsGuru Wrote:
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> Va Tech acceptance rate - 66.5%, #72 national
> university.
> UVa acceptance rate - 33.3%, #24 national
> university.
> W&M acceptance rate - 34.6%, #33 national
> university.
> JMU acceptance rate - 59.5%, #6 regional
> university.
> VMI acceptance rate - 46.2%, #70 national liberal
> arts college.
> ODU acceptance rate - 75.4%, unranked national
> university.
> GMU acceptance rate - 52.8%, #139 national
> university.
> Radford acceptance rate - 80.2%, #50 regional
> university.
> Mary Washington acceptance rate - 75.7%, #16
> regional university.
>
> This is all from US News 2013. Say what you will
> about the rankings, but they are a significant
> barometer of reputation. Both students and the
> schools themselves use them. Based on the above,
> it's not even close. UVa and W&M are the only two
> national universities in state. The rest are some
> degree of so-so to good. But you can't compare
> schools like GMU, Tech and ODU to UVa and W&M with
> a straight face.

There are issues with these rankings. W&M tends to be far more self-selecting, whereas JMU is not. Same is true with places like Reed and Case Western Reserve. They have relatively high acceptance rates, but that's mainly because of the people who apply.

Also, this reflects what I've always known: you can be dead (or nearly dead) and get into Radford, ODU, Mary Washington, or VCU.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/23/2013 01:19AM by Young Curmudgeon.

Stats Guru Lies, Stats Lie, Guru Wrote:
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> StatsGuru Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------

One of the best response names to a previous poster's name. WTG!

Stats Guru Lies, Stats Lie, Guru Wrote:
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> StatsGuru Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Va Tech acceptance rate - 66.5%, #72 national
> > university.
> > UVa acceptance rate - 33.3%, #24 national
> > university.
> > W&M acceptance rate - 34.6%, #33 national
> > university.
> > JMU acceptance rate - 59.5%, #6 regional
> > university.
> > VMI acceptance rate - 46.2%, #70 national
> liberal
> > arts college.
> > ODU acceptance rate - 75.4%, unranked national
> > university.
> > GMU acceptance rate - 52.8%, #139 national
> > university.
> > Radford acceptance rate - 80.2%, #50 regional
> > university.
> > Mary Washington acceptance rate - 75.7%, #16
> > regional university.
> >
> > This is all from US News 2013. Say what you
> will
> > about the rankings, but they are a significant
> > barometer of reputation. Both students and the
> > schools themselves use them. Based on the
> above,
> > it's not even close. UVa and W&M are the only
> two
> > national universities in state. The rest are
> some
> > degree of so-so to good. But you can't compare
> > schools like GMU, Tech and ODU to UVa and W&M
> with
> > a straight face.
>
> Your own data shows that VaTech is a "national
> university", so there goes one of your assertions.
> Further, something that is not borne out by
> acceptance rates is that VaTech has a lot more
> engineering grads than does UVa who are doing
> meaningful work in their chosen profession...

National university is the category, not the common-sense definition. Hell, GMU is #139 as a national university, are you implying it's in the same ballpark as VaTech because it happens to occupy the same category? The categories are based on things like student size, funding, endowment, facilities, breadth of majors offered, graduate programs, size of faculty, reputation scores from other colleges. Just because Va Tech and GMU qualify under those metrics doesn't means anyone seriously considers them in the same league as W&M and UVa. It's simply not the case. And no one is denying that Tech has great students, especially in engineering. The issue that seems to be consistently raised (by Hokie alums, no doubt) is how Va Tech is somehow on par with the two best universities in the state. It's not. And based on the numbers, it's not even close.

Best Moniker Ever Wrote:
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> Stats Guru Lies, Stats Lie, Guru Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > StatsGuru Wrote:
> > -------------------------------------------
>
> One of the best response names to a previous
> poster's name. WTG!

How's life as an online cheerleader? Is it good?

StatsGuru Wrote:
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> Va Tech acceptance rate - 66.5%, #72 national
> university.
> UVa acceptance rate - 33.3%, #24 national
> university.
> W&M acceptance rate - 34.6%, #33 national
> university.
> JMU acceptance rate - 59.5%, #6 regional
> university.
> VMI acceptance rate - 46.2%, #70 national liberal
> arts college.
> ODU acceptance rate - 75.4%, unranked national
> university.
> GMU acceptance rate - 52.8%, #139 national
> university.
> Radford acceptance rate - 80.2%, #50 regional
> university.
> Mary Washington acceptance rate - 75.7%, #16
> regional university.
>
> This is all from US News 2013. Say what you will
> about the rankings, but they are a significant
> barometer of reputation. Both students and the
> schools themselves use them. Based on the above,
> it's not even close. UVa and W&M are the only two
> national universities in state. The rest are some
> degree of so-so to good. But you can't compare
> schools like GMU, Tech and ODU to UVa and W&M with
> a straight face.


blah blah blah. VT turns out better engineers than UVA. WM does not turn out engineers. ODU is far superior to Radford. Take out endowments and see how the ranking changes.

W&M - smartest
UVA- most successful
Tech - eh
Jmu - who cares

I doubt any one of the kids that went to W&M could even get into UVA. Last I checked UVA and Tech are the flagship schools of the state. Those are the only two schools in Virginia that are worth a sh*t.

But if you really want to go to a great school, go to Alabama. Roll Tide!!

Forrest Gump Wrote:
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> I doubt any one of the kids that went to W&M could
> even get into UVA. Last I checked UVA and Tech
> are the flagship schools of the state. Those are
> the only two schools in Virginia that are worth a
> sh*t.

Wow, either you know nothing, or you're new to the area.

Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
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> Forrest Gump Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I doubt any one of the kids that went to W&M
> could
> > even get into UVA. Last I checked UVA and Tech
> > are the flagship schools of the state. Those
> are
> > the only two schools in Virginia that are worth
> a
> > sh*t.
>
> Wow, either you know nothing, or you're new to the
> area.

Look at this name.

what up, fool? Wrote:
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> W&M - smartest
> UVA- most successful
> Tech - eh
> Jmu - who cares


Hugely, Allen, Cucinnelli - successful? one is in jail, one can't admit he is jewish, one is unliked by 99% of women. everyone defines success on their own terms.

smart is helpful. many WM smart people are not employable or choose not to be employable by the meager wages their smart diplomas command.

so the big donor to UVA believes women lose their minds to their bosoms after they breast feed their babies.

his donations contribute to the endowment factor which jacks the school rank up per the US News formula for calculating rank.

Education is a good thing. Can't we all just get along?

W&M - sexy girls
UVA- flirty girls
Tech - 420 friendly girls
Jmu - whores!

W&M - button-down oxford shirts
UVA - rugby shirts
Tech - polo shirts
JMU - topless

It's almost that time of year. Who's best in the state, blah, blah, blah?

blah blah blah blah
Long story short
If you want to be a doctor, lawyer and such, UVA
If you want to be any of the above but not liking big school, W&M
If you want to be a teacher, musician, JMU
If you want to be a Engineer, Architect, VT

My two cents Wrote:
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> W&M IS ACADEMICALLY elite. If you search UVA
> ranking and W&M these two schools rank very
> closely everytime. Both of these schools are
> GREAT and considered Public Ivy leage.

def the two best school in uva, from a gpa/sat perspective, anyway.

but, it seems that a lot of kids, not all of course, that go to uva and w&m, pretty much just coast for 4 years. maybe burned out from the high school push, idk. B- is now ok. i don't have any stats to back this up, but it seems that way from what i've seen.

W&M sexy girls?

WTF, are you blind?

Sexy in a neurotic, frigid, eating disorder friendly way?

Not sure about the point of this thread. Looks like the WM and UVA "wannabees" trying to make a lame case. I'm a VT grad, but would have killed to get into WM or UVA but did not even make the wait list but don't harbor resentment with these two elite insutitions. FACE THE FACT: WM and UVA are top tier, very prestigous universities in the country, let alone in VA. All other colleges and universities in the state then fall into a much lower class for which we can engage in a healthy debate. VTech vs. JMU vs. GMU vs. ODU vs. etc, etc... You get the point?

rah rah rah be true to your school
rah rah rah fight for your school

It matters not where you go to undergad. You learn the same subjects. Get a good GPA, and it will speak for itself.

butthead Wrote:
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> but, it seems that a lot of kids, not all of
> course, that go to uva and w&m, pretty much just
> coast for 4 years. maybe burned out from the high
> school push, idk. B- is now ok. i don't have any
> stats to back this up, but it seems that way from
> what i've seen.

Probably an apples to oranges comparison. Given that there are far more qualified high school students in NoVa than there are available slots at UVA and W&M, and given that the admissions systems are very imperfect, you are going to end up with a fair number of smart, driven students who end up at other schools, and a number of above average students at UVa and W&M. If you are one of those smart driven students and you are comparing yourself to students who make up the bottom half of the class at UVa or W&M, it probably will look like they are coasting. OTOH if you compare yourself to the 20-30% of students who are determined to be in the top 10% of their class at graduation in order to get into a better grad school or get a top job, you may find things appear different.

Old Man Wrote:
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> It matters not where you go to undergad. You
> learn the same subjects. Get a good GPA, and it
> will speak for itself.

Sorry but it does matter. Among the things certain schools provide are connections and reputation. Whether you get an opportunity to participate in internships or interview for a starting position may depend on what college you attended. Being in the top 10-20% from a top school is likely to be viewed more favorably than being in the top 5% from a lesser known school. Now once you get on the ladder where you went to school undergrad becomes less important, but in truth so does your GPA.

Radford!

Go RU!

Ru Wrote:
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> Radford!
>
> Go RU!

From what I've seen of RU grads, they seem to be lower quality graduates from bottom highschools in Fairfax.

Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
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> On the look out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Everyone is forgetting about the most up and
> > coming school in Virginia which is Old Dominion
> > University. The campus is rebuilt, beautiful,
> and
> > the school is now energized with going D1
> Football
> > next year just after starting a football program
> 4
> > years ago. Watch and see what happens and the
> > transformation to this school over the next 5
> > years. It will explode with students wanting
> to
> > go there. As Coach Beamer of VA Tech said, the
> > worse thing that can happen to VA Tech football
> is
> > if ODU gets a football program. Go Monarchs.
>
> Oh please, ODU doesn't even register. Tech, UVA,
> WM, GMU, JMU, CNU, and even VCU are all better.


how old are you? you are so out of touch. better than what? WM grads cannot find employment. neither can VT grads. ODU grads in certain fields are far more marketable.

a kid from PW county can get into VT engineering with a 3.5 and w/o ever having taken HS physics. a kid from Fx county cannot get into VT with a 4.0 and 6 APs. the national admissions do not apply to Fx county kids.

As someone who got accepted to UVa, JMU, and Tech, and subsequently chose Tech, I can completely understand. There is no questioning that UVa and W&M are academically superior, but more goes into choosing a college than academics. I hoped to attend UVa for years, but the moment I walked onto campus at Tech, I knew that I had found my future school.

I learned at a young age to do many skills with my hands, worked hard and have averaged over a million dollars in personal annual income for the past ten years. I didnt go to any of these schools.

same group ranked high schools this year. go look at that list.

RU sure does suck... Must be why I was offered a job before I graduated making 60,000... To bad all my UVA and VT graduate friends are still working hourly retail jobs.

All students - at all levels of achievement - from the Northern Virginia area can go to a higher ranked, and I dare say 'better' school out-of-state.

Not true. Only the very best get into five top schools. Go read stats. And most can't afford out of state

Are any of you guys actually serious?
JMU girls > Every other university in the US

Any SEC school and probably half the ACC schools have far hotter women than JMU.

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90% of all of you are ignorant clowns who have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Hard work and dedication are the only things that'll bring money. You all think college makes such a difference or it's the key to life and success. My dad started out at age 20 as a general laborer for a small construction company in Maryland. He is now the leading project manager of one of the largest construction firms on the east coast and grosses over $150,000 a year. What kind of college experience does he have? None whatsoever. You know what kind of kids from my high school went to UVa? The one's who cheated on nearly every tested, acted like pretentious snobs, had absolutely no creativity, and claimed they were geniuses. While in reality, they were too stupid to even realize that for the past four years of high school, they had filled their mind with meaningless information that will only make them better at taking orders for superiors when they apply for their first job. You know what all the UVa kids are majoring in? Business. Now answer me this, in the middle of an economic recession where companies are falling left and right and small business has been virtually destryoed, do you really think ANY company is going to give a fresh grad a starting six figure salary and have them doing meaningful work within the company that actually matters? Absolutely not. The business majors who are lucky enough to find any job at all will most likely be doing busy work for higher ups and making coffee runs for managers, all for a median salary. On top of this, knowing the kids from my school who went to UVa who cared so deeply about the clothes and cars mommy and daddy bought them, they'll probably buy way too many things they can't even afford (just as their parents did), roll around in a german sports car, and next thing they know, they'll be living to pay off debt for meaningless 'stuff'. In the end, they will only be contributing to the downfall of America. THE ONLY person I've ever met who went on to be a millionaire in business, was the cousin of a friend of mine who had been studying finance EVERY DAY since age 12. He later brought up a failing sector of Goldman Sachs and became an executive. He now works in Europe as an executive of a major investment firm. I seriously doubt that any kid around here has been studying finance every single day simply because the majority of them feel as if they're entitled to a million dollar salary. That attitude discusts me, and it's because of morons like them that the collective intellect of the American population has plummited. All you older folks in your 50's and such, get a grip on reality. GONE are the days of going to college, majoring in whatever you'd like, and coming out living lavishly. In a world where every one goes to college because of grants and laws, having a bachelors in anything but a scientific field or law is about as useful as having a high school GED. Reading through all of this made me realize just how idiotic 90% of the folks who live in Fairfax are. Can't wait to graduate and be gone with the attrocity that is Fairfax. I've heard numerous say, "Fairfax is the best place in the entire world to live". Comments like that are the epitome of ignorance. If you think a suburban town full of narcissists who live in shitty mcmansions to feel like they're rich is the best place in the world to live, you're an uncomprehensibly stupid ignoramous.

@russeljohnson:

You are assuming that everyone who goes to college is doing so in order to become rich. Not true. Believe it or not, some people go to college so that they can get a job that they are interesting in doing. That might not have occurred to you. I also question your assertion that UVA kids are all majoring in business. I doubt it.

didnt go Wrote:
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> I learned at a young age to do many skills with my
> hands, worked hard and have averaged over a
> million dollars in personal annual income for the
> past ten years. I didnt go to any of these
> schools.


Respect to whoever this person is. Atleast they have a grip on hard work and how to be successful. Some of the richest people in the entire world didn't even graduate from college including Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Richard Branson. In fact, Richard Branson is slightly dislexic and didn't go to any college AT ALL and he went on to be one of the richest people in the world. It urks me so to see people talking down on others and using college to justify their talking down when in reality, it doesn't even matter.

In fact, of the kids from my high school that went to UVa, all they talked about were majoring in either govt. relations, business, or some form of economics/finance. There were three kids majoring in science realted fields going to UVa. And at no point did I make the assumption that everyone in college is only going for money or to get rich, and yes, it has occured to me that people go to one day pursue a job they're interested in so you can step off your condescending high step. At the end of the day, why would you go to college if not for the monetary reward and the job that goes along with it? COLLEGE IS AN INVESTMENT. You put money into the education in hopes that when you graduate, you'll get a job that PAYS well so you can one day pay off your loans and PROFIT off of it. If you're wealthy enough to study whatever you please for four years that has little to no monetary reward like womens studies, more power to you. But I highly doubt anyone around here is doing such a thing, and if they are, that's great for them. Regardless, this is all irrelevant to the points I made so I could really care less about this. The motives for college education is a debate to have another day with someone else who actually cares.

I guess "all" is a bit too general and I should've realize that in a debate, hyperboles are not proper. Replace "all" with "majority from my school"

And do not expect any more responses. I have much more important things to do with my time than argue with a bunch of know it alls who try to make others feel stupid or look dumb through a public medium because they are too blinded/stupid to see the facts and accept reality.

03 grad

Go to college (doesn't matter where)

make 50k+ starting easy more if you get a tech/science degree instead of "business"

within 5-10 years make 100k easy (this will require switching jobs thats where most people mess up and then negotiating good raises between jobs because you are worth it)

from there it gets a bit tough most people get stuck around 150k in middle management/glass ceiling for scientific/techies. Truth is if you want to go higher your work becomes your life and I think most people don't want to make that trade-off.

And some people actually like politics/non-profit/teaching whatever just realize you will make half or less of what other white collar professionals make

Starting your own business kind of like a restaurant most fail and you have to work your butt off for years in most cases but some people really don't like having a boss

A lot has changed since 2003. That was almost 11 years ago my friend. Since then, the U.S has accumulated almost ten trillion dollars of debt, jobs have become much harder to find, and taxes have vastly increased. I'm not saying I agree with everything Russell said, but he did hit home on a lot of things including the value of degrees, how college is an investment, and how the general public all need to open their eyes to whats going on. I've lived a long time, and never have I feared more for the well-being and culture of our people than I do now.

And he's right...back in my day, if you had money, you could go to any college. Harvards acceptance rate when I was a youngster was around 50%. The vast majority of people didn't even go to college, but those who did were basically guarenteed success so long as they worked hard and legitimately obtained their degree.

Issue is good, average kids can't get into our colles in this state. That's wrong.

I have long been an advocate that what matters most is what you do while at school rather than the school attended.

Virginia schools are excellent so what matters most is the right fit.

I am troubled now by the fact my offspring persuaded me to send them out of state (one at the top of the Ivy League, another at a school ranked higher than UVa). I have come to the conclusion that after considerable expenditure of resources that they could have arrived at the same place in life with UVa or Tech. They do have the confidence gained from competing against some insanely bright people, and made some great connections, so that may be helpful to them in the long run. They are both employed in very desirable jobs. But what matters most is being a doer, and not just a thinker, in whatever endeavor one chooses, and that can be done at any number of schools.

One more thing; go where you will succeed. Barely scraping into a school with "prestige" most often does not lead to success. Go to school where the average level of preparation is equal or less than your own.

Which would you choose

JMU
Tech
USC. South Carolina
NC State
WVA

I am a potential UVa/Tech student and am appalled that all of these people would say such blatantly false things. Whichever school I go to, I will have friends at the other and will not say false things about their academics.

I'm surprised to see the acceptance rate for Mary Washington is so high, according to posts above. I remember when it was 29%.

Anyway, one of my high school teachers once said that the acronym JMU stands for Just Missed UVA.

What's with these 40- and 50-year old still obsessed with the schools they once went to? I have long been an advocate that what matters most is what you do after school rather than the school attended.

Why would you revitalize an old ass thread? Shut the fuck up ralph.

See a lot of chubby little Mexicans running around in VT gear lately. Used to see them outfitted in JMU and GMU but frankly carrying a leafblower and wearing green sweats can become a work hazard.

Newsflash - that kid didnt get into UvA, W&m, or even JMU. Dad is just trying to save face. Nothing wrong with Tech but nobody turns down UVA or W&M for Tech unless they are a retard, and borderline mentally challenged if they pass up JMU for Tech. Sorry to tell you hes either a liar or has a dumb kid.

Jmu much harder to get into than tech....outside of engineering. Thats the only thong they are known for. That and thug QBs.

Jmustatboy Wrote:
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> Jmu much harder to get into than tech....outside
> of engineering. Thats the only thong they are
> known for. That and thug QBs.

Well, they are known for murders too. At least UVA is just rape.

House of Boogers...wish i thought of that name. Good name

An oldie but a goodie.

All others are cheap imitations.

>UVa's law school is one of the best in the country and their med school is very >higly regarded. Just saying.

You mean because they hire their own graduates to keep the numbers up?

"Jmu much harder to get into than tech..."

Not by the numbers, average GPA, SAT, and ACT.

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=1568

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=1809

Do you think W&M or JMU would be a better school for someone who wants to go to physical therapy school after graduation (and wants to get into a good pt school)?

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> >UVa's law school is one of the best in the
> country and their med school is very >higly
> regarded. Just saying.
>
> You mean because they hire their own graduates to
> keep the numbers up?

Didn't get in?

The most important thing is fit for the student.The boy that selected TECH must have felt that it was a better fit for him. I have friends that had kids that got into both and chose TECH over UVA. It was a better place for them and offered the right courses and degree options.

Degree and ability are what factor into earning power. Some of the folks that graduated from HS when I did that went to UVA (1992) are now real estate agents and one manages a Shoe store in Loudon. The name of the school on your resume will generate interest, but it certainly isn't a guarantee of financial success.

You have to go to grad school for any type of medical career beyond technician or assistant, even for physical therapy.

ODU was never the same after 4400 and Speedy's closed.

My son got into 6 Virgina public colleges, including UVa. After visiting all the campuses, he absolutely abhorred UVa. My son does not like to brag about his GPA and on the first UVa tour we went on, all the kids on the tour were bragging to each other about their GPA's and number of AP exams taken. My son just looked at me and rolled his eyes and mouthed "not cool." WHen he got his wahoo acceptance letter he laughed and threw it in the trash.

He has been at VT for 3 years now and they are truly genuine people who enjoy each other's company, not enjoy one upping each other.

12 straight VT victories over UVa helps too.

Darcy M. Wrote:
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> My son got into 6 Virgina public colleges,
> including UVa. After visiting all the campuses, he
> absolutely abhorred UVa. My son does not like to
> brag about his GPA and on the first UVa tour we
> went on, all the kids on the tour were bragging to
> each other about their GPA's and number of AP
> exams taken. My son just looked at me and rolled
> his eyes and mouthed "not cool." WHen he got his
> wahoo acceptance letter he laughed and threw it in
> the trash.
>
> He has been at VT for 3 years now and they are
> truly genuine people who enjoy each other's
> company, not enjoy one upping each other.

If only you didn't make up this story.