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Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: Ball ()
Date: July 30, 2020 10:54AM

Does anyone know a place in the area that will resurface brake rotors and drums? Seems like none of the parts stores still do.

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: KVH ()
Date: July 30, 2020 11:05AM

Just replace them you cheap bastard. All you are doing by turning them is prolonging the inevitable. Keep your cheap ass car off the roads if you cannot afford to keep it properly maintained.

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: DMBFK ()
Date: July 30, 2020 11:30AM

parts story's haven't seen had brake lathes on premises in 30 years

brake rotors are inexpensive these days anyway and there is no reason to resurface them

but you could find a shop that has a lathe and pay twice in labor to have yours turned than the what the cost of new replacement is

the only exception to this is older vehicles where the bearing hub and brake flange are one casting

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: Herbert Kornfeld ()
Date: July 30, 2020 01:38PM

In the old days you turned rotors. Now they are cheaper and disposable etc...

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: Edward Teach ()
Date: July 30, 2020 01:54PM

I just had my brakes done with everything replaced except for the calipers. The cheap Chinese crap these days can’t be re-surfaced.

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: jus sayin ()
Date: July 30, 2020 02:02PM

Edward Teach Wrote:
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> The cheap Chinese crap
> these days can’t be re-surfaced.


the only reason you'd have a car with rotors that can't be turned is because you(directly) bought a cheap micro compact car that already had thin rotors

in this instance it's got nothing to do with Chinese crap, but cheap does apply

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: brake check ()
Date: July 30, 2020 04:28PM

Gills Automotive in Sterling turned my rotors last time I got a brake job, I think it was last October so they probably still do them.

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: kchxx ()
Date: July 30, 2020 06:56PM

Edward Teach Wrote:
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> I just had my brakes done with everything replaced
> except for the calipers. The cheap Chinese crap
> these days can’t be re-surfaced.


As DMBFK said rotors are now cheap. It does not matter whether those new rotors are not as good as what was put on cars 10-20 years ago. What matters is whether those new ones will be better than the remachined 10+ year old ones will be.

My question is why shops seem to think a basic brake job requires that rotors be machined or replaced, and possibly that calipers be rebuilt. What happened to simply replacing the pads, bleeding the brakes, greasing the calipers and cleaning the brake dust? If the vehicle isn't being driven hard, the rotors are still sufficiently thick and they are not warped or scoured then why do anything to them? Sure they might go bad from some undiscovered defect. Same is also true of the new rotors. The question should be whether the rotors will need to be replaced before the next brake job.

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: upbeat and happy ()
Date: July 30, 2020 08:02PM

kchxx Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Edward Teach Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I just had my brakes done with everything
> replaced
> > except for the calipers. The cheap Chinese crap
> > these days can’t be re-surfaced.
>
>
> As DMBFK said rotors are now cheap. It does not
> matter whether those new rotors are not as good as
> what was put on cars 10-20 years ago. What
> matters is whether those new ones will be better
> than the remachined 10+ year old ones will be.
>
> My question is why shops seem to think a basic
> brake job requires that rotors be machined or
> replaced, and possibly that calipers be rebuilt.
> What happened to simply replacing the pads,
> bleeding the brakes, greasing the calipers and
> cleaning the brake dust? If the vehicle isn't
> being driven hard, the rotors are still
> sufficiently thick and they are not warped or
> scoured then why do anything to them? Sure they
> might go bad from some undiscovered defect. Same
> is also true of the new rotors. The question
> should be whether the rotors will need to be
> replaced before the next brake job.


You are stupid.

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: capitain Capacitor ()
Date: July 30, 2020 08:43PM

You dont need brakes, just capacitors.

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: ........--------........... ()
Date: July 31, 2020 07:51AM

capitain Capacitor Wrote:
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> You dont need brakes, just capacitors.


You don't need a car, just walk.

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: Stating the obvious ()
Date: July 31, 2020 09:19AM

upbeat and happy Wrote:
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>
>
> You are stupid.

In other words YOU'VE GOT NUTHIN'.

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: ASE certified. ()
Date: August 01, 2020 10:16AM

kchxx Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Edward Teach Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I just had my brakes done with everything
> replaced
> > except for the calipers. The cheap Chinese crap
> > these days can’t be re-surfaced.
>
>
> As DMBFK said rotors are now cheap. It does not
> matter whether those new rotors are not as good as
> what was put on cars 10-20 years ago. What
> matters is whether those new ones will be better
> than the remachined 10+ year old ones will be.
>
> My question is why shops seem to think a basic
> brake job requires that rotors be machined or
> replaced, and possibly that calipers be rebuilt.
> What happened to simply replacing the pads,
> bleeding the brakes, greasing the calipers and
> cleaning the brake dust? If the vehicle isn't
> being driven hard, the rotors are still
> sufficiently thick and they are not warped or
> scoured then why do anything to them? Sure they
> might go bad from some undiscovered defect. Same
> is also true of the new rotors. The question
> should be whether the rotors will need to be
> replaced before the next brake job.


If the vehicle has anti-lock brakes the rotors must be turned or replaced.

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: you failed your ASE’s ()
Date: August 01, 2020 10:54AM

ASE certified. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> kchxx Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Edward Teach Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I just had my brakes done with everything
> > replaced
> > > except for the calipers. The cheap Chinese
> crap
> > > these days can’t be re-surfaced.
> >
> >
> > As DMBFK said rotors are now cheap. It does
> not
> > matter whether those new rotors are not as good
> as
> > what was put on cars 10-20 years ago. What
> > matters is whether those new ones will be
> better
> > than the remachined 10+ year old ones will be.
> >
> > My question is why shops seem to think a basic
> > brake job requires that rotors be machined or
> > replaced, and possibly that calipers be rebuilt.
>
> > What happened to simply replacing the pads,
> > bleeding the brakes, greasing the calipers and
> > cleaning the brake dust? If the vehicle isn't
> > being driven hard, the rotors are still
> > sufficiently thick and they are not warped or
> > scoured then why do anything to them? Sure
> they
> > might go bad from some undiscovered defect.
> Same
> > is also true of the new rotors. The question
> > should be whether the rotors will need to be
> > replaced before the next brake job.
>
>
> If the vehicle has anti-lock brakes the rotors
> must be turned or replaced.


not true

the reason rotors are replaced rather than resurfaced is cost, they are far cheaper to replace ever since the so called composite rotor, it’s a bit of a misnomer but it refers to the two piece rotor and hub design. The reason is we want a fresh surface when new pads are installed, for exactly the same reasons you resurface a flywheel when you install a new clutch. There is zero need to bleed the brakes during a standard brake job. If they need bleeding there is a leak in the system and new pads don’t fix that. What does need to happen is about every 2-3 years you needs to flush the fluid, change it with new. Brake fluid is hydroscopic, it will rust the brake system from the inside out if not changed periodically.

Also, there is zero reason to top off the fluid as the pads wear down, all you have done is guarantee you spill brake fluid on everything when you push the pistons back in for new pads. Brake fluid eats paint and is not good for the environment, I’m not a libshit faux environmentalist either. Little things like that is why we can now safely swim and eat fish once in a while that are caught in the rivers right around D.C.

as was noted earlier, the only time having rotors resurfaced rather than replaced is if you have an older car with the big heavy one piece castings of brake rotor/bearing hub. But that’s only if they haven’t already been turned, you make the rotor to thin and it warps easily from the heat



don’t fucking care if it’s against the rules to post facts here, I’m gonna do it anyway

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: Jake Brake ()
Date: August 01, 2020 11:12AM

ASE certified. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> kchxx Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Edward Teach Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I just had my brakes done with everything
> > replaced
> > > except for the calipers. The cheap Chinese
> crap
> > > these days can’t be re-surfaced.
> >
> >
> > As DMBFK said rotors are now cheap. It does
> not
> > matter whether those new rotors are not as good
> as
> > what was put on cars 10-20 years ago. What
> > matters is whether those new ones will be
> better
> > than the remachined 10+ year old ones will be.
> >
> > My question is why shops seem to think a basic
> > brake job requires that rotors be machined or
> > replaced, and possibly that calipers be rebuilt.
>
> > What happened to simply replacing the pads,
> > bleeding the brakes, greasing the calipers and
> > cleaning the brake dust? If the vehicle isn't
> > being driven hard, the rotors are still
> > sufficiently thick and they are not warped or
> > scoured then why do anything to them? Sure
> they
> > might go bad from some undiscovered defect.
> Same
> > is also true of the new rotors. The question
> > should be whether the rotors will need to be
> > replaced before the next brake job.
>
>
> If the vehicle has anti-lock brakes the rotors
> must be turned or replaced.

In some states it is required by law that you turn or replace rotors on every brake job on vehicles with ABS. Just scuffing rotors and throwing on a new set of pads is dangerous and gets people killed.

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: Coffee brake ()
Date: August 01, 2020 11:29AM

The problem is many Chinese replacement auto parts are substandard junk.

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: Coffee brake ()
Date: August 01, 2020 11:29AM

The problem is many Chinese replacement auto parts are substandard junk.

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: color of skepticism ()
Date: August 01, 2020 12:10PM

Jake Brake Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ASE certified. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > kchxx Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Edward Teach Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > I just had my brakes done with everything
> > > replaced
> > > > except for the calipers. The cheap Chinese
> > crap
> > > > these days can’t be re-surfaced.
> > >
> > >
> > > As DMBFK said rotors are now cheap. It does
> > not
> > > matter whether those new rotors are not as
> good
> > as
> > > what was put on cars 10-20 years ago. What
> > > matters is whether those new ones will be
> > better
> > > than the remachined 10+ year old ones will
> be.
> > >
> > > My question is why shops seem to think a
> basic
> > > brake job requires that rotors be machined or
> > > replaced, and possibly that calipers be
> rebuilt.
> >
> > > What happened to simply replacing the pads,
> > > bleeding the brakes, greasing the calipers
> and
> > > cleaning the brake dust? If the vehicle
> isn't
> > > being driven hard, the rotors are still
> > > sufficiently thick and they are not warped or
> > > scoured then why do anything to them? Sure
> > they
> > > might go bad from some undiscovered defect.
> > Same
> > > is also true of the new rotors. The question
> > > should be whether the rotors will need to be
> > > replaced before the next brake job.
> >
> >
> > If the vehicle has anti-lock brakes the rotors
> > must be turned or replaced.
>
> In some states it is required by law that you turn
> or replace rotors on every brake job on vehicles
> with ABS. Just scuffing rotors and throwing on a
> new set of pads is dangerous and gets people
> killed.

do you have a link to one of these laws

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: KVH ()
Date: August 01, 2020 12:27PM

you failed your ASE’s Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> not true
>
> the reason rotors are replaced rather than
> resurfaced is cost, they are far cheaper to
> replace ever since the so called composite rotor,
> it’s a bit of a misnomer but it refers to the
> two piece rotor and hub design. The reason is we
> want a fresh surface when new pads are installed,
> for exactly the same reasons you resurface a
> flywheel when you install a new clutch. There is
> zero need to bleed the brakes during a standard
> brake job. If they need bleeding there is a leak
> in the system and new pads don’t fix that. What
> does need to happen is about every 2-3 years you
> needs to flush the fluid, change it with new.
> Brake fluid is hydroscopic, it will rust the brake
> system from the inside out if not changed
> periodically.
>
> Also, there is zero reason to top off the fluid as
> the pads wear down, all you have done is guarantee
> you spill brake fluid on everything when you push
> the pistons back in for new pads. Brake fluid eats
> paint and is not good for the environment, I’m
> not a libshit faux environmentalist either. Little
> things like that is why we can now safely swim and
> eat fish once in a while that are caught in the
> rivers right around D.C.
>
> as was noted earlier, the only time having rotors
> resurfaced rather than replaced is if you have an
> older car with the big heavy one piece castings of
> brake rotor/bearing hub. But that’s only if they
> haven’t already been turned, you make the rotor
> to thin and it warps easily from the heat
>
>
>
> don’t fucking care if it’s against the rules
> to post facts here, I’m gonna do it anyway


My fucking hero. Thank you, my faith in humanity is restored for the day!

giphy.gif

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: clarion call ()
Date: August 01, 2020 02:05PM

Jake Brake Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ASE certified. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > kchxx Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Edward Teach Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > I just had my brakes done with everything
> > > replaced
> > > > except for the calipers. The cheap Chinese
> > crap
> > > > these days can’t be re-surfaced.
> > >
> > >
> > > As DMBFK said rotors are now cheap. It does
> > not
> > > matter whether those new rotors are not as
> good
> > as
> > > what was put on cars 10-20 years ago. What
> > > matters is whether those new ones will be
> > better
> > > than the remachined 10+ year old ones will
> be.
> > >
> > > My question is why shops seem to think a
> basic
> > > brake job requires that rotors be machined or
> > > replaced, and possibly that calipers be
> rebuilt.
> >
> > > What happened to simply replacing the pads,
> > > bleeding the brakes, greasing the calipers
> and
> > > cleaning the brake dust? If the vehicle
> isn't
> > > being driven hard, the rotors are still
> > > sufficiently thick and they are not warped or
> > > scoured then why do anything to them? Sure
> > they
> > > might go bad from some undiscovered defect.
> > Same
> > > is also true of the new rotors. The question
> > > should be whether the rotors will need to be
> > > replaced before the next brake job.
> >
> >
> > If the vehicle has anti-lock brakes the rotors
> > must be turned or replaced.
>
> In some states it is required by law that you turn
> or replace rotors on every brake job on vehicles
> with ABS. Just scuffing rotors and throwing on a
> new set of pads is dangerous and gets people
> killed.

Only in California and New Hampshire. You have to hold a state license to do brake repairs.

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: NWNFX ()
Date: August 01, 2020 02:19PM

clarion call Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jake Brake Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ASE certified. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > kchxx Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Edward Teach Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > I just had my brakes done with everything
> > > > replaced
> > > > > except for the calipers. The cheap
> Chinese
> > > crap
> > > > > these days can’t be re-surfaced.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As DMBFK said rotors are now cheap. It
> does
> > > not
> > > > matter whether those new rotors are not as
> > good
> > > as
> > > > what was put on cars 10-20 years ago. What
> > > > matters is whether those new ones will be
> > > better
> > > > than the remachined 10+ year old ones will
> > be.
> > > >
> > > > My question is why shops seem to think a
> > basic
> > > > brake job requires that rotors be machined
> or
> > > > replaced, and possibly that calipers be
> > rebuilt.
> > >
> > > > What happened to simply replacing the pads,
> > > > bleeding the brakes, greasing the calipers
> > and
> > > > cleaning the brake dust? If the vehicle
> > isn't
> > > > being driven hard, the rotors are still
> > > > sufficiently thick and they are not warped
> or
> > > > scoured then why do anything to them? Sure
> > > they
> > > > might go bad from some undiscovered defect.
>
> > > Same
> > > > is also true of the new rotors. The
> question
> > > > should be whether the rotors will need to
> be
> > > > replaced before the next brake job.
> > >
> > >
> > > If the vehicle has anti-lock brakes the
> rotors
> > > must be turned or replaced.
> >
> > In some states it is required by law that you
> turn
> > or replace rotors on every brake job on
> vehicles
> > with ABS. Just scuffing rotors and throwing on
> a
> > new set of pads is dangerous and gets people
> > killed.
>
> Only in California and New Hampshire. You have to
> hold a state license to do brake repairs.


without looking it up, I'd say that applies to people in the car repair
business, which does make some sense

there is no way they can force me to get licensed to change my own
brakes in my driveway

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: George Fucking Washington ()
Date: August 02, 2020 08:49AM

"there is no way they can force me to get licensed to change my own
brakes in my driveway"

Give it time. It is irresponsible to drive on public roads with brakes that have been installed by a unlicensed citizen. We will put a stop to that just like we put a stop to homeowners charging up their own air conditioners. We have a few of those homeowners in prison now. One thing we really need in this country is more government regulation.

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: tdh9k ()
Date: August 02, 2020 09:46AM

George Fucking Washington Wrote:
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> "there is no way they can force me to get licensed
> to change my own
> brakes in my driveway"
>
> Give it time. It is irresponsible to drive on
> public roads with brakes that have been installed
> by a unlicensed citizen. We will put a stop to
> that just like we put a stop to homeowners
> charging up their own air conditioners. We have a
> few of those homeowners in prison now. One thing
> we really need in this country is more government
> regulation.

Shut up

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: kchxx ()
Date: August 02, 2020 10:42AM

ASE certified. Wrote:
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>
> If the vehicle has anti-lock brakes the rotors
> must be turned or replaced.

That is an explanation, but does it hold up. There are many vehicles on American roads that are not equipped with ABS yet shops still want to change to rotors on those vehicles as part of so called routine brake jobs. Rotors serve exactly the same function on cars equipped with ABS as they do on cars without anti-lock brakes. They are not tied in to the ABS sensory system. If the vehicle isn't driven hard the rotors on an ABS equipped vehicle are not going to be subjected to significantly greater stress than the rotors of a non-ABS equipped vehicle. Vehicles equipped with ABS use the same pads as non-ABS vehicles, so there would be no difference in how the rotor and pad interact when braking to explain the need to replace rotors.

So logic suggests it isn't anything about ABS itself that requires rotors be replaced. Rather it is the assumption that an ABS equipped vehicle will be driven hard.

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Re: Does any place still turn brake rotors?
Posted by: kchxx ()
Date: August 02, 2020 10:55AM

you failed your ASE’s Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> There is zero need to bleed the brakes during a
> standard brake job. If they need bleeding there is a
> leak in the system and new pads don’t fix that. What
> does need to happen is about every 2-3 years you
> needs to flush the fluid, change it with new.
> Brake fluid is hydroscopic, it will rust the brake
> system from the inside out if not changed
> periodically.

How often do you think the average vehicle has its brakes replaced? I am betting the typical vehicle on the road today goes at least 2-3 years between brake jobs which means it is about due for a brake fluid flushing. While bleeding the brakes may not be part of a standard brake job, it does flush out older brake fluid that is in the brake lines in the interval you are talking about.

Also I am told that on some vehicles the manufacturer's preferred method of depressing the caliper piston is to bleed fluid from the brake line as the piston is depressed rather than allowing the fluid to reverse through the vehicle brake system. BS? Perhaps.

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