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Why doesn't Fairfax County and/or the Commonwealth of Virginia assess a usage fee for Electric Vehicles and Hybrids which do not otherwise pay their fair share of the fuel tax?
Posted by:
What do I know?
()
Date: June 30, 2019 07:09PM
From an infrastructure standpoint, why doesn't Virginia and/or counties subject the registrations of Electric Vehicles and Hybrid Vehicles to a surcharge on their annual registrations, or through an separate tax assessment based on one simple fact: EVs and Hybrids DO NOT pay their fair share of taxes to use roads.
Effective July 1, 2019, the tax rate on gasoline is: Sixteen and two-tenth cents (0.162)
Electric vehicles contribute NOTHING to infrastructure. Not a penny. Zero contribution, yet full use of the roads.
Hybrids only contribute when operating in the mode which utilizes their gasoline engines, so it's fractional, compared to their overall use and impact on roads.
Now, mathematically, one could figure an average use, since a transponder system would never work, and frank is invasive. Annual mileage reporting is difficult, also, unless tied to the Virginia State Inspections, but even then, tough.
But this should be nationwide, as it's a national problem. EVs and Hybrids have full use of the roads and highways, yet contribute little to nothing to maintenance through (fuel) taxes.
According to the Federal Highway Administration, the average American drives 13,000 miles/yr.. That said, it's not a lot of money, but more than zero.
Why isn't this being addressed by Fairfax County, Virginia, and the united States, as a whole?
Effective July 1, 2019, the tax rate on gasoline is: Sixteen and two-tenth cents (0.162)
Electric vehicles contribute NOTHING to infrastructure. Not a penny. Zero contribution, yet full use of the roads.
Hybrids only contribute when operating in the mode which utilizes their gasoline engines, so it's fractional, compared to their overall use and impact on roads.
Now, mathematically, one could figure an average use, since a transponder system would never work, and frank is invasive. Annual mileage reporting is difficult, also, unless tied to the Virginia State Inspections, but even then, tough.
But this should be nationwide, as it's a national problem. EVs and Hybrids have full use of the roads and highways, yet contribute little to nothing to maintenance through (fuel) taxes.
According to the Federal Highway Administration, the average American drives 13,000 miles/yr.. That said, it's not a lot of money, but more than zero.
Why isn't this being addressed by Fairfax County, Virginia, and the united States, as a whole?
Re: Why doesn't Fairfax County and/or the Commonwealth of Virginia assess a usage fee for Electric Vehicles and Hybrids which do not otherwise pay their fair share of the fuel tax?
Posted by:
The pwner
()
Date: July 02, 2019 01:26AM
Because you suck ass
Re: Why doesn't Fairfax County and/or the Commonwealth of Virginia assess a usage fee for Electric Vehicles and Hybrids which do not otherwise pay their fair share of the fuel tax?
Posted by:
Another fucking libtard
()
Date: July 02, 2019 11:50AM
Wanting to increase taxes on hard working patriotic Americans. Just fucking stop.
Re: Why doesn't Fairfax County and/or the Commonwealth of Virginia assess a usage fee for Electric Vehicles and Hybrids which do not otherwise pay their fair share of the fuel tax?
Posted by:
corrections
()
Date: July 02, 2019 12:04PM
What do I know? Wrote:
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> From an infrastructure standpoint, why doesn't
> Virginia and/or counties subject the registrations
> of Electric Vehicles and Hybrid Vehicles to a
> surcharge on their annual registrations, or
> through an separate tax assessment based on one
> simple fact: EVs and Hybrids DO NOT pay their fair
> share of taxes to use roads.
>
> Effective July 1, 2019, the tax rate on gasoline
> is: Sixteen and two-tenth cents (0.162)
>
> Electric vehicles contribute NOTHING to
> infrastructure. Not a penny. Zero contribution,
> yet full use of the roads.
>
> Hybrids only contribute when operating in the mode
> which utilizes their gasoline engines, so it's
> fractional, compared to their overall use and
> impact on roads.
>
> Now, mathematically, one could figure an average
> use, since a transponder system would never work,
> and frank is invasive. Annual mileage reporting is
> difficult, also, unless tied to the Virginia State
> Inspections, but even then, tough.
>
> But this should be nationwide, as it's a national
> problem. EVs and Hybrids have full use of the
> roads and highways, yet contribute little to
> nothing to maintenance through (fuel) taxes.
>
> According to the Federal Highway Administration,
> the average American drives 13,000 miles/yr.. That
> said, it's not a lot of money, but more than
> zero.
>
> Why isn't this being addressed by Fairfax County,
> Virginia, and the united States, as a whole?
Hybrid MPG is higher than gas cars, but we're not talking about hugely different numbers. A Hybrid Toyota Camry gets 33 city, vs 29 city for the gas version. Tax dollars are getting paid.
There's an argument for use taxes on fully Electric Vehicles, but its also worth noting that we are taxed on utilities at home (quite a bit actually). Guess where most Electric vehicles are charged? And there's just not enough full electrics out there for this to even register on the tax meter yet...
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> From an infrastructure standpoint, why doesn't
> Virginia and/or counties subject the registrations
> of Electric Vehicles and Hybrid Vehicles to a
> surcharge on their annual registrations, or
> through an separate tax assessment based on one
> simple fact: EVs and Hybrids DO NOT pay their fair
> share of taxes to use roads.
>
> Effective July 1, 2019, the tax rate on gasoline
> is: Sixteen and two-tenth cents (0.162)
>
> Electric vehicles contribute NOTHING to
> infrastructure. Not a penny. Zero contribution,
> yet full use of the roads.
>
> Hybrids only contribute when operating in the mode
> which utilizes their gasoline engines, so it's
> fractional, compared to their overall use and
> impact on roads.
>
> Now, mathematically, one could figure an average
> use, since a transponder system would never work,
> and frank is invasive. Annual mileage reporting is
> difficult, also, unless tied to the Virginia State
> Inspections, but even then, tough.
>
> But this should be nationwide, as it's a national
> problem. EVs and Hybrids have full use of the
> roads and highways, yet contribute little to
> nothing to maintenance through (fuel) taxes.
>
> According to the Federal Highway Administration,
> the average American drives 13,000 miles/yr.. That
> said, it's not a lot of money, but more than
> zero.
>
> Why isn't this being addressed by Fairfax County,
> Virginia, and the united States, as a whole?
Hybrid MPG is higher than gas cars, but we're not talking about hugely different numbers. A Hybrid Toyota Camry gets 33 city, vs 29 city for the gas version. Tax dollars are getting paid.
There's an argument for use taxes on fully Electric Vehicles, but its also worth noting that we are taxed on utilities at home (quite a bit actually). Guess where most Electric vehicles are charged? And there's just not enough full electrics out there for this to even register on the tax meter yet...
Re: Why doesn't Fairfax County and/or the Commonwealth of Virginia assess a usage fee for Electric Vehicles and Hybrids which do not otherwise pay their fair share of the fuel tax?
Posted by:
Check please...
()
Date: July 02, 2019 12:16PM
We all consume public goods and services. Stop your stupid bitching about paying for them.
Re: Why doesn't Fairfax County and/or the Commonwealth of Virginia assess a usage fee for Electric Vehicles and Hybrids which do not otherwise pay their fair share of the fuel tax?
Posted by:
Goooook
()
Date: July 03, 2019 07:12AM
> Hybrid MPG is higher than gas cars, but we're not
> talking about hugely different numbers. A Hybrid
> Toyota Camry gets 33 city, vs 29 city for the gas
> version. Tax dollars are getting paid.
>
Tip: use google before starting to vomit bullshit:
Hybrid Camry 51c/53 mpg
Reg Camry 29city/41hwy
> talking about hugely different numbers. A Hybrid
> Toyota Camry gets 33 city, vs 29 city for the gas
> version. Tax dollars are getting paid.
>
Tip: use google before starting to vomit bullshit:
Hybrid Camry 51c/53 mpg
Reg Camry 29city/41hwy
Re: Why doesn't Fairfax County and/or the Commonwealth of Virginia assess a usage fee for Electric Vehicles and Hybrids which do not otherwise pay their fair share of the fuel tax?
Posted by:
What do I know?
()
Date: July 03, 2019 08:32AM
corrections Wrote:
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>
>
> Hybrid MPG is higher than gas cars, but we're not
> talking about hugely different numbers. A Hybrid
> Toyota Camry gets 33 city, vs 29 city for the gas
> version. Tax dollars are getting paid.
>
> There's an argument for use taxes on fully
> Electric Vehicles, but its also worth noting that
> we are taxed on utilities at home (quite a bit
> actually). Guess where most Electric vehicles are
> charged? And there's just not enough full
> electrics out there for this to even register on
> the tax meter yet...
Taxes paid on electric utilities, as your power bill shows, do not cover road maintenance or construction costs.
Fuel taxes do, which are not being paid at all by electric vehicles, and paid minimally by hybrids, yet those vehicles still add the same wear to the roads as their ICE counterparts.
So back to the question, why isn't Fairfax or Virginia taxing electric vehicles and hybrids to recoup for their fair share of wear and tear on roads they use?
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>
>
> Hybrid MPG is higher than gas cars, but we're not
> talking about hugely different numbers. A Hybrid
> Toyota Camry gets 33 city, vs 29 city for the gas
> version. Tax dollars are getting paid.
>
> There's an argument for use taxes on fully
> Electric Vehicles, but its also worth noting that
> we are taxed on utilities at home (quite a bit
> actually). Guess where most Electric vehicles are
> charged? And there's just not enough full
> electrics out there for this to even register on
> the tax meter yet...
Taxes paid on electric utilities, as your power bill shows, do not cover road maintenance or construction costs.
Fuel taxes do, which are not being paid at all by electric vehicles, and paid minimally by hybrids, yet those vehicles still add the same wear to the roads as their ICE counterparts.
So back to the question, why isn't Fairfax or Virginia taxing electric vehicles and hybrids to recoup for their fair share of wear and tear on roads they use?
Re: Why doesn't Fairfax County and/or the Commonwealth of Virginia assess a usage fee for Electric Vehicles and Hybrids which do not otherwise pay their fair share of the fuel tax?
Posted by:
FFx Supervisor
()
Date: July 04, 2019 11:30AM
What do I know? Wrote:
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> corrections Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > Hybrid MPG is higher than gas cars, but we're
> not
> > talking about hugely different numbers. A
> Hybrid
> > Toyota Camry gets 33 city, vs 29 city for the
> gas
> > version. Tax dollars are getting paid.
> >
> > There's an argument for use taxes on fully
> > Electric Vehicles, but its also worth noting
> that
> > we are taxed on utilities at home (quite a bit
> > actually). Guess where most Electric vehicles
> are
> > charged? And there's just not enough full
> > electrics out there for this to even register
> on
> > the tax meter yet...
>
>
> Taxes paid on electric utilities, as your power
> bill shows, do not cover road maintenance or
> construction costs.
>
> Fuel taxes do, which are not being paid at all by
> electric vehicles, and paid minimally by hybrids,
> yet those vehicles still add the same wear to the
> roads as their ICE counterparts.
>
> So back to the question, why isn't Fairfax or
> Virginia taxing electric vehicles and hybrids to
> recoup for their fair share of wear and tear on
> roads they use?
Because we strongly prefer taxes that only conservatives will pay. Liberals get a free ride, as always!
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> corrections Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > Hybrid MPG is higher than gas cars, but we're
> not
> > talking about hugely different numbers. A
> Hybrid
> > Toyota Camry gets 33 city, vs 29 city for the
> gas
> > version. Tax dollars are getting paid.
> >
> > There's an argument for use taxes on fully
> > Electric Vehicles, but its also worth noting
> that
> > we are taxed on utilities at home (quite a bit
> > actually). Guess where most Electric vehicles
> are
> > charged? And there's just not enough full
> > electrics out there for this to even register
> on
> > the tax meter yet...
>
>
> Taxes paid on electric utilities, as your power
> bill shows, do not cover road maintenance or
> construction costs.
>
> Fuel taxes do, which are not being paid at all by
> electric vehicles, and paid minimally by hybrids,
> yet those vehicles still add the same wear to the
> roads as their ICE counterparts.
>
> So back to the question, why isn't Fairfax or
> Virginia taxing electric vehicles and hybrids to
> recoup for their fair share of wear and tear on
> roads they use?
Because we strongly prefer taxes that only conservatives will pay. Liberals get a free ride, as always!
Re: Why doesn't Fairfax County and/or the Commonwealth of Virginia assess a usage fee for Electric Vehicles and Hybrids which do not otherwise pay their fair share of the fuel tax?
Posted by:
hybrids rule
()
Date: July 05, 2019 08:39AM
what about cyclist....they don't pay squat
motorcycles also use the roads, and they get really great fuel mileage...
my hybrid/EV costs more than your non hybrid, so I'm paying higher in sales taxes and higher property taxes.
don't worry, hybrids are paying their fair share of the taxes...
motorcycles also use the roads, and they get really great fuel mileage...
my hybrid/EV costs more than your non hybrid, so I'm paying higher in sales taxes and higher property taxes.
don't worry, hybrids are paying their fair share of the taxes...
Re: Why doesn't Fairfax County and/or the Commonwealth of Virginia assess a usage fee for Electric Vehicles and Hybrids which do not otherwise pay their fair share of the fuel tax?
Posted by:
What do I know?
()
Date: July 05, 2019 09:53AM
hybrids rule Wrote:
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> what about cyclist....they don't pay squat
>
> motorcycles also use the roads, and they get
> really great fuel mileage...
>
> my hybrid/EV costs more than your non hybrid, so
> I'm paying higher in sales taxes and higher
> property taxes.
>
> don't worry, hybrids are paying their fair share
> of the taxes...
False arguments, every one of those.
What about a cyclist? What impact do they have on the roads? Not even a statistical decimal point. Sorry.
Motorcycles? Yes, they get excellent gas mileage. My motorcycle gets around 40 mpg. I buy fuel for the cycle, about 6 gallons each time I fill-up. I am taxed at the pump, per gallon, and given the fact the bike weighs about 15% of the weight of the average car, the amt. of "impact" on roads is fairly calculated.
Your hybrid/EV costs more than my vehicle? That's an assumption, if I ever heard of one. Higher sales tax? Doubtful, as most EV and some hybrids receive(d) a tax subsidy. Property taxes. You are assuming... Again, all false arguments by you.
"Don't worry..." Oh, but I am worried. Hybrids and EVs are NOT Paying their fair share of taxes to build or maintain roads, which is the point of my question.
If you come up with any facts, please present them. Otherwise, nice try.
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> what about cyclist....they don't pay squat
>
> motorcycles also use the roads, and they get
> really great fuel mileage...
>
> my hybrid/EV costs more than your non hybrid, so
> I'm paying higher in sales taxes and higher
> property taxes.
>
> don't worry, hybrids are paying their fair share
> of the taxes...
False arguments, every one of those.
What about a cyclist? What impact do they have on the roads? Not even a statistical decimal point. Sorry.
Motorcycles? Yes, they get excellent gas mileage. My motorcycle gets around 40 mpg. I buy fuel for the cycle, about 6 gallons each time I fill-up. I am taxed at the pump, per gallon, and given the fact the bike weighs about 15% of the weight of the average car, the amt. of "impact" on roads is fairly calculated.
Your hybrid/EV costs more than my vehicle? That's an assumption, if I ever heard of one. Higher sales tax? Doubtful, as most EV and some hybrids receive(d) a tax subsidy. Property taxes. You are assuming... Again, all false arguments by you.
"Don't worry..." Oh, but I am worried. Hybrids and EVs are NOT Paying their fair share of taxes to build or maintain roads, which is the point of my question.
If you come up with any facts, please present them. Otherwise, nice try.