Oh, how we missed you!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/20/AR2007022001500.html

Bummer.

Anybody know of a map, or list, of all the cameras in the county?

There are several popular camera box locations, however they used to switch the cameras from one box to another. I'm sure they'll build out more now.

Get ready for all the rear-end collisions while people slam on breaks for yellow lights.

just drive by those things at night with a paint ball gun and snipe the lens

It remains to be seen if VDOT will be any better at maintaining the vehicle detectors associated with these red light cameras.

I'd say that at any given moment, at least 20% of the loop detectors associated with their traffic signals are out of whack. That's why you'll get stopped by a red light at 1am when there's nobody else around.

Apparently, it is going to cost Fairfax County about $500K to get these operating again--the county executive has said that he hasn't identified money for this project (heard from a someone who works for the county). If this is true, it will be interesting to see from where the board of supervisors comes up with the money.

The company that maintains the cameras gets a huge chunk of the fines, that is the deal they worked out. Believe me the county will find the money for this cash cow. The county only has to provide the start up fee, the company maintains the cameras and sends out the bills.

BTW I know of at least one on Fairfax Pkwy at Popes Head Road.

Go to capital rentals, rent a gasoline powered circular saw that is capable of cutting metal. At night, go and cut down the camara. prblem solved.

rent a gasoline powered circular saw that is capable of cutting metal. At night, go and cut down the camara. prblem solved.

I wonder how much trouble you'd get in if you got caught doing that?

or throw a McMissle at it. Of course getting caught doing that you will get two years in prison!

http://wtop.com/?nid=25&sid=1066366

She ended up getting probation, so McMissile away.

Edit: Yeah, just saw the other thread.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/21/2007 07:46PM by The Congressman.

In the past, they had a major one (all four directions) at Rt 7 and Westpark Drive/Gosnell Rd in Tysons. Also I remember seeing a couple on Elden Street in Herndon.

I bet we could eliminate the state budget deficit with the fines from these two locations alone.

I'm all for public safety and the police and all, but I think this is a thickening of that "Thin Blue Line" between civility and anarchy. Seems to me that Red Light cameras are basically tolls to subsidize the government and not really law enforcement tools.

red light cameras are actually a godsend for those who frequently run them.. they no longer get points on their license, all they get is a fine that goes to the car, and not the driver.

they had a major one (all four directions) at Rt 7 and Westpark
Drive/Gosnell Rd in Tysons

The camera equipment is still present at this intersection. I drive thru there daily, and it always seemed like those cameras mostly caught people that "stopped in the box" during a red, something that intersection is notorious for.

There was also a camera at the intersection of Rt. 123 and Follin Lane over toward Vienna.

There's one on 50 a couple blocks west of 7100. It caught me, but I swear it was unavoidable.

uhm....http://www.phantomplate.com/

http://www.phantomplate.com/vidpop_kxan.html

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030703-120901-3612r.htm

It wasn't a cash cow for Fairfax County...they barely broke even in terms of costs vs. income.

My good buddy went to jail because he got spraying that shit on his lisence plates, its totally not even worth trying it.

People who are habitually running red lights (not yellow mind you) are a danger to others on the road and deserve what they get. The same does not hold true for those who are victims of these selfish "I'm in too much of a hurry to stop" type. I'm all for enforcement of this particular type of violation as it's really for the good of everyone else on the road.

A Virginia Department of Transportation study of the long-term effect of camera enforcement in the state found a decrease in the number of right-angle crashes, but an increase in rear end crashes and an overall increase in the number of accidents causing injuries. The report recommended further study of the issue to determine whether the severity of the eliminated red light running crashes was greater than that of the induced rear-end crashes.

The Virginia Tech Study, mentioned above, was widely criticized by the IIHS and others. While it did show a modest increase in rear-end crashes, the study did not consider crash severity as a factor in their research. "...cameras are leading to a net improvement in safety if, as might be expected, the severity of the eliminated red light running crashes was greater than that of the induced rear-end crashes." [www.thenewspaper.com]

It will be a cash cow but the law allowing it ended and they didnt get to keep running the program. Now that it will be up and running again the money will start to flow. It was like any business investment, it started in the red.

its a good thing they are back. If it stops people running the red light and causing accidents. Maybe if would stop people getting hit by Metro busses as well in the district.

DC has had red light cameras up for years and VA's movement on this issue is irrelevant to them. I guess their effect on Metro bus killings is as effective as their gun ban.

DC has had red light cameras up

DC also has a profitable speed camera program.

Is this the next step here in NoVA?

Maybe someday we can all be completely watched by govt. cameras to ensure our safety. We must be compliant or face their consequences.

Hey here is a great idea...
Don't run red lights!!!! Then you won't have anything to worry about.
Its pretty simple, not rocket science.

I don't run red lights.

Then you won't have anything to worry about

Congratulations on your herd instinct. And lack of information.

themeeper wrote:
And lack of information
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Trying to keep it simple for people like you...

Trying to keep it "childlike simple"... I love children. Consantly.

park1 Wrote:
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> Trying to keep it "childlike simple"... I love
> children. Consantly.


I can see how excited you got when you thought about that come back.....you had to think about it cause you coulndt come up with it on your first reply but had to make another post since you felt it was such a good come back.......

You do nothing but state the obvious.......

496 Wrote:
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> My good buddy went to jail because he got spraying
> that shit on his lisence plates, its totally not
> even worth trying it.


??? The cops check for that??? How do they check for it? Cause it can be a spray to keep things from sticking onto the license plate.....to keep it clean....


I mean i dont run red lights....but many gambles between yellow and red in a hurry....


If speed cameras are next......would mean our gov is trying to make a new way of making money............i am wondering whats after speeding cams?

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198

TheMepeer you already saw this video :)

Mofo Wrote:
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> A Virginia Department of Transportation study of
> the long-term effect of camera enforcement in the
> state found a decrease in the number of
> right-angle crashes, but an increase in rear end
> crashes and an overall increase in the number of
> accidents causing injuries. The report recommended
> further study of the issue to determine whether
> the severity of the eliminated red light running
> crashes was greater than that of the induced
> rear-end crashes.
>
> The Virginia Tech Study, mentioned above, was
> widely criticized by the IIHS and others. While it
> did show a modest increase in rear-end crashes,
> the study did not consider crash severity as a
> factor in their research. "...cameras are leading
> to a net improvement in safety if, as might be
> expected, the severity of the eliminated red light
> running crashes was greater than that of the
> induced rear-end crashes."

In addition to crash severity, did the study consider speed of traffic as a factor? If people were on their brakes and causing a rear-end collision then they were probably traveling at excessive speeds prior to braking. From basic observation it's clear that *most* yellow lights are timed with a duration that adequately reflects the legal speed limit of the road. For instance yellow lights on RT 28 where the speed limit is 55 last significantly longer than say, a light in Herndon where the limit is 25 MPH. Provided you aren't raping along at 75 when the light turns yellow you should either be able to stop without causing a wreck or run the yellow light safely. This of course assumes that all the yellow lights are properly timed, which may not be the case. The bottom line, however, is that I would pin a lot of the rear-end collisions on the drivers and not the cameras.

VA Driver Wrote:
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> The bottom line, however, is that I would pin a lot of
> the rear-end collisions on the drivers and not the
> cameras.


The drivers wouldn't be trying to stop so fast if they werent trying to avoid getting caught by tha cameras.


Edit: PWNED!!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2007 04:05PM by KeepOnTruckin.

My problem with the system is that a private enterprise gets a big chunk of the money from the fines. I checked some, but prob not enough, to find out what the percentage is but can't find it. I think it is someone like Lockheed or another high tech business that is running it.

I think it was in Alexandria that someone did research and found they had actually shortened the yellow cycle on lights to catch more people.

I contacted a rep in fairfax county and was told if I wanted to know who was maintaining the cameras and how much they got I had to file a FOIA request.

Who gets the cash? and Mo-Fo are dead on. And it turns out that in order to maintain the stats to promote the red light camera... the cities have played with stats.. hemm surprising .. NO ..

The report that Mo-Fo is referring to was so damning, that they did a new study , except this time they changed the variables.. like they would only count accidents that were in a certain area of the "box" and would not include accidents that were outside the box..(oddly enough, this is were most of the rear-end accidents increase have occurred..)

Also, there was legislation proposed to make red light cameras ticket a higher fine and points on your license..

Fuck the Communist-wealth of Virginia... There seems to be such a disconnect between the reactionary legislators and what the citizens want.
Basically, we all need to be more alert to what our criminally negligent state legislators are up to in richmond..and get your voices heard. Write and email send a letter.. something.. its getting out of control.

Example ..Oh my god, the car involved in the fatal accident had loud exhaust and aftermarket suspension.. lets make modifying your car illegal..and on top of that, lets leave it up to the discretion of the officer, because he is so well trained in automotive design. ..

and no I dont own a honda with a fart can .. all american muscle.. :-)

Take a Stand Wrote:
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> Who gets the cash? and Mo-Fo are dead on. And it
> turns out that in order to maintain the stats to
> promote the red light camera... the cities have
> played with stats.. hemm surprising .. NO ..
>
> The report that Mo-Fo is referring to was so
> damning, that they did a new study , except this
> time they changed the variables.. like they would
> only count accidents that were in a certain area
> of the "box" and would not include accidents that
> were outside the box..(oddly enough, this is were
> most of the rear-end accidents increase have
> occurred..)
>
> Also, there was legislation proposed to make red
> light cameras ticket a higher fine and points on
> your license..
>
> Fuck the Communist-wealth of Virginia... There
> seems to be such a disconnect between the
> reactionary legislators and what the citizens
> want.
> Basically, we all need to be more alert to what
> our criminally negligent state legislators are up
> to in richmond..and get your voices heard. Write
> and email send a letter.. something.. its getting
> out of control.
>
> Example ..Oh my god, the car involved in the fatal
> accident had loud exhaust and aftermarket
> suspension.. lets make modifying your car
> illegal..and on top of that, lets leave it up to
> the discretion of the officer, because he is so
> well trained in automotive design. ..
>
> and no I dont own a honda with a fart can .. all
> american muscle.. :-)




Clap.

100% with you

This is why the red light cameras suck.

http://wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=1070798

It isn't the camera but the fact that the rest of us will pay while this guy gets to run them all day long, read into the article and see that his wife gets the same treatment.

yeah, fenty does come off like a tool in that article..

Out of the way, mrs fenty is late for getting her nails done. A true emergency.

Take a Stand Wrote:
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> Who gets the cash? and Mo-Fo are dead on. And it
> turns out that in order to maintain the stats to
> promote the red light camera... the cities have
> played with stats.. hemm surprising .. NO ..
>
> The report that Mo-Fo is referring to was so
> damning, that they did a new study , except this
> time they changed the variables.. like they would
> only count accidents that were in a certain area
> of the "box" and would not include accidents that
> were outside the box..(oddly enough, this is were
> most of the rear-end accidents increase have
> occurred..)
>
> Also, there was legislation proposed to make red
> light cameras ticket a higher fine and points on
> your license..
>
> Fuck the Communist-wealth of Virginia... There
> seems to be such a disconnect between the
> reactionary legislators and what the citizens
> want.
> Basically, we all need to be more alert to what
> our criminally negligent state legislators are up
> to in richmond..and get your voices heard. Write
> and email send a letter.. something.. its getting
> out of control.
>
> Example ..Oh my god, the car involved in the fatal
> accident had loud exhaust and aftermarket
> suspension.. lets make modifying your car
> illegal..and on top of that, lets leave it up to
> the discretion of the officer, because he is so
> well trained in automotive design. ..
>
> and no I dont own a honda with a fart can .. all
> american muscle.. :-)



))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Your points and concerns are those shared with me - I am VERY concerned of the slippery slope that re-opens with the redlight cameras coming back to VA.


Taking away the trained eyes (and understanding in each instance) that a Police Officer offers, is a bad thing.

Playing with statistics to suit an agenda is a bad thing.

Tailoring data to exclude the reality (rear-end collisions) of consequential crashes is a bad thing.


...see a pattern?? THIS IS A BAD THING!



How many accendents has a redlight camera prevented?

How many lives has it saved??

WHO KNOWS! The only data we can get with some degree of accuracy from the peple running this program, is how much cash they have taken from our pockets and given to PRIVATE companies who "partner" with various counties - they get the contracts by offering free, or discounted equipment for exchange of a (huge) take of the monies collected!

This is a civil fine, therefore no points are (currently) assessed.

I wonder why the county keeps the % a secret? It must be so off the chart they dont dare reveal it. Or as suggested, certain members of the county government are getting some kind of benefit from it.
Anyone that can find the info please post it. I think asking a county taxpayer to have to file a FOIA just to get it is stupid.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Bummer.
>
> Anybody know of a map, or list, of all the cameras
> in the county?


Stop for red lights and you don't have to worry about the cameras.

Stop for red lights and you don't have to worry about the cameras.

I'm not worried at all about getting caught, because I don't run redlights. But thanks for adding your ingnorance and narrow-mindedness to the discussion. Keep it real, Ricky.

There are hundreds of examples of the cameras malfunctioning, and snapping pictures of cars doing nothing wrong.

Yes, you will be vindicated in the end, but you will still have to deal with a hassle you had no part in initiating, based on the word of a camera.

There are hundreds of examples of the cameras malfunctioning, and snapping pictures of cars doing nothing wrong.


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what evidence do you have to support this? hundreds???????

Then again, what proof have I ever had for any of the lame assertions I have made? I admit I am a complete moron. I'm lucky I find my underwear each day.

I don't smoke pot but I still don't think it should be a crime. Is that ok?

It is fine that you don't think it should be a crime... your opinion is as good as anyone else's.

KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> VA Driver Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> ----
> > The bottom line, however, is that I would pin a
> lot of
> > the rear-end collisions on the drivers and not
> the
> > cameras.
>
>
> The drivers wouldn't be trying to stop so fast if
> they werent trying to avoid getting caught by tha
> cameras.
>
>
> Edit: PWNED!!!


What? Go back and actually read it this time. When you draw your conclusions from only the last sentence and take everything out of the proper context you come up with an argument that is completely wrong. Also, postfixing your "argument" with "PWNED!!!" doesn't add any additional credibility to your position. Judging from your response, this is just a typical "diarrhea of the mouth" reply. Trying to look smart and posting for the sake of saying something and being seen isn't really adding anything to the conversation.

Also, postfixing your "argument" with "PWNED!!!" doesn't add any additional credibility to your position.

O RLY? SRSLY LOL

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Also, postfixing your "argument" with "PWNED!!!"
> doesn't add any additional credibility to your
> position.
>
> O RLY? SRSLY LOL
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VA Driver Wrote:
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> Trying to look smart and posting for
> the sake of saying something and being seen isn't
> really adding anything to the conversation.


Sounds like someone needs a nap... you got pwn3d.

Most of the red light running I see around here is done from the left or right turn (you're supposed to stop--practically nobody does) lanes, and the red light cameras are not set up to photograph those violations.

I'm talking about the protected-left-turn-only-on-green-arrow lanes, not the ones where you can make a left-turn-yield-on-green. People seem to be much more inclined to run those protected left turn only lanes, probably because you'll be sitting there for another 3 minutes if you don't get through the first time.

It's pretty common to see people who ran the red from the left turn lane still in the middle of the intersection when the through lanes turn green.

This morning I saw a road crew installing what appeared to be camera equipment on the northeast corner of the Chain Bridge Road / International Drive intersection. That intersection is pretty ridiculous when it comes to people running a red from the left-turn lanes, it's not only problematic, it's like the freakin' status quo.

the worst ive ever seen that left turn lane red light running is in Sudley road in Manassas. My god the light is green for a good 30 seconds and almost red again and people are still crowding their way through.

It's really, really bad in Fredericksburg on Route 3. That's the worst I've ever seen it.

That's just an example of poor planning by the city/county/VDOT etc. You have to make a left turn across heavy traffic just to get anywhere around here (Norhern VA), whereas in less backwards parts of the country you could just make three right turns...

There's a short article on NBC4 today re: the redlight cameras

http://www.nbc4.com/news/11243936/detail.html?dl=headlineclick

Something interesting is mentioned:

"Officials said Fairfax County had 15 locations and 10 cameras before the program went dark in 2005 and could now set up as many as 100."

Looks like DC is having a tough time with the cameras


http://www.wtop.com/?nid=428&sid=1086424

"ATS told District officials they inherited a flawed system that had malfunctioning and missing equipment, radars that are not certified and, in one case, equipment that was marked "Property of Fairfax County."

in one case, equipment that was marked "Property of Fairfax County."

Thats fuckin funny

I dont put anything beyond Dc with the crackhead mayor for life. Dat bitch camera set me up.

I urge everyone on this board to contact the supervisor for their district. You can find your supervisor at http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/government/board/

I called my supervisor's office directly and left a message for her to call me back.

Contact the supervisor and urge them NOT TO provide funding for this red light camera. We need to fight to retain our freedom & liberty in this age of modern technology.

Say NO to SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS.

Constant surviellance is just something we have to live with. You are under surviellance everytime you go into a store, get money from an ATM or walk into an airport. The news channels, youtube and other internet sites are rife with surviellance vids of bad things happening or crooks up to no good. The modern age we live in is totally about loss of privacy. Come on now! Its not like you are THAT interesting that the Government is watching your every pore for every last drop of sweat 24/7.

There was a show called Mythbusters last week that did a show on the different things people do avoid the camera's like spraying the license plate... etc.. They tested all the stuff with a real red light\speed camera and none of it blocked the camera from reading the tag.

Your best bet (besides not speeding) would be that gadget that was tracking red light cameras and displaying them on a GPS. You would get near a camera and it would sound off a warning if you were going too fast, using gps to track both your velocity and the camera's position. Some guy was selling them on here a few months ago.

The problem is all the so-called roaming camera stations. Can't keep too much track of those.

I thought the new VA policy said that they would disclose all camera locations?

Yeeah, I was thinking DC when I mentioned the roaving cameras. I think VA only keeps stationary ones. All the ones I've seen have been mounted on a pole.

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