The dude kept his nose clean except for that DWI.


"SMILER ","NATHAN ","N","032"," 7705","MARTIN ALLEN ","CT","ALEXANDRIA ","VA","10/14/2004","NO/STATE INSPECTION "
"SMILER ","NATHAN ","N","037"," 3617","PROSPERITY ","AV","FAIRFAX ","VA","12/19/2008","DWI-ALCOHOL


Police investigate fatal shooting in Annandale, Virginia

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/16/AR2010021605773_pf.html

Wednesday, February 17, 2010; B02

VIRGINIA

Police investigate Annandale slaying

A man was fatally shot Monday night in the Annandale area of Fairfax County, and police are trying to determine whether the shooting was accidental.

The deceased was identified Tuesday as Nathan Smiler, 37, of the 8300 block of Little River Turnpike. Police were called to the house where Smiler lived, near the campus of Northern Virginia Community College, about 10:30 p.m. They found Smiler shot in the head, Officer Bud Walker said.

A 30-year-old woman is being questioned in the case but has not been charged, Walker said.

A search warrant filed Tuesday morning in Fairfax Circuit Court indicated that a man called 911 and reported that his female roommate "had run up to him screaming a request that he call 911. The female roommate told him that her boyfriend had been shot." The caller told police that he had heard a gunshot shortly before his roommate's request.

Police said all individuals inside the house had been identified, and there was no threat to public safety. No arrest had been made by Tuesday evening.

I think that's the super goth dude. I've seen some people talking lately about some guy who was crazy popular in the goth circles who was shot. I guess that was him.

==



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2010 07:37AM by inkahootz.

Is he still dead?

You're all joking about this?! Shame on you.

Stefanie Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You're all joking about this?! Shame on you.


So it begins.

way back around '94 or so i used to work at the dollar store at fair oaks mall and he was an asst manager there. definitely a weird goth type

Isn't 37 a little old to still be doing the goth thing? Unless he was still a NOVA student, in which case it would be even sadder.

Hey, I'm 85 and I still do the beat poetry thing...some of us never grow up.

I heard HOT TOPIC at dulles town mall is going to hold his memorial service..... Just a rumor

extremely good point!

tomahawk Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hey, I'm 85 and I still do the beat poetry
> thing...some of us never grow up.

You beat off to poetry? Haven't you heard about all the nudies on the interwebz?

Wow, does anyone know anything more about this? Was this the guy that was supposedly all into satanism and crap like that? Didn't he and his girlfriend live with a bunch of other people? Or am I thinking of someone else? Who shot him? Or was it a suicide? Anyone?.........Bueller?..........anyone?

I remember him. He was really weird. He gave me the creeps, honestly.

Friends toast 'eccentric hedonist' fatally shot in Annandale

By Tom Jackman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 18, 2010; B02



Dirk Smiler was the Toastmaster. The Gourmand. The Poet. The Goth King.

The 37-year-old Northern Virginia native spent his evenings as a sommelier in Potomac but his nights as a voracious, constant presence on the D.C. club scene -- dancing, drinking, chasing women and hosting countless after-parties after last call. When news of his shooting death Monday night in Annandale rocketed around the Internet, tribute Web sites erupted with page after page of remembrances and smiles and raised toasts to a widely loved personality in the sometimes intersecting worlds of the Goth community, the restaurant industry, science fiction and Renaissance fair lovers, and dedicated night owls everywhere.

"He was an eccentric hedonist," said his friend Brendan J. Sheppard, one of hundreds to write online tributes to Smiler. "He was one of the most vibrant and enthusiastic people I've ever met." Countless photos of Smiler -- always smiling, usually hugging someone -- have been posted on the Web. In the 24 hours after his death, a tribute Web site said it had visitors from 39 states and 12 countries.

Smiler lived with several roommates and his girlfriend in a house on Little River Turnpike in Annandale near Northern Virginia Community College. Police think that on Monday night, he had an altercation with his girlfriend, and the two went downstairs to his bedroom.

In that bedroom, numerous sources familiar with the investigation said, Smiler was shot once in the head with a bolt-action rifle. The girlfriend, identified by acquaintances as Cara Cottle, 31, then ran upstairs and told her roommates that Smiler was dead, the sources said.

Cottle, a former Marine sergeant, has not been charged. She has checked herself into a psychiatric hospital, sources close to the case said. Her family could not be located for comment Wednesday.

Meanwhile, the mourning for Smiler grew deeper.

"He was very outgoing, charismatic and creative," said Skot Braunfeld, one of his closest longtime friends. "We'd throw huge parties. He'd hit on everything with two legs. He just wanted everyone to be happy and be loved, have fun and live for the moment."

Nathan N. Smiler was born in Northern Virginia, the oldest of two boys, and graduated from Fairfax High School in 1990. But even before that, he was a devotee of outrageous fashion, wearing three-piece suits and eyeliner as a teenager and making countless new friends at science fiction conventions and Renaissance fairs, his friend Jonathan Wolk said.

After high school, he began waiting tables in numerous Washington area restaurants, including Old Ebbitt Grill, Clyde's of Tysons Corner, Zola, Legal Sea Foods and, most recently, Bezu in Potomac, where he'd been sommelier since it opened in 2006.

He was heavily tattooed and sometimes had his hair in a ponytail, and Bezu owner Eddie Benaim recalled saying, "You want to work for me?" But he said Smiler knew his wine, knew how to work the room and was loved by customers.

Although he didn't finish college, he read widely, quoting Shakespeare, Chaucer, assorted poets and Dr. Seuss, his friends said. Roommate Chablis Owens said he once recited a poem while sky diving.

"He memorized chapters of books like nobody I knew," Benaim said. "He was brilliant."

Then there were the nights, at D.C. clubs such as Tracks and Roxy beginning in the late 1980s and then the Capitol Ballroom and Nation and Bound, anywhere with thumping dance music and a crowd. One of his trademarks was that "he was always impeccably dressed," said friend and photographer Thomas Izaguirre. "He had a variety of tuxedos and Victorian formal wear. Lately, he was getting into steam punk," described as a style mixing science fiction, fantasy and retro technology.

"He'd take longer to get ready to go out than any woman I know," Braunfeld said.

Friends said the Goth world intrigued Smiler partly because of its extreme fashion, and he was once profiled in a local newspaper with a photo of himself with his face painted white and his head shaved. But Goths don't uniformly subscribe to morose or morbid beliefs or lifestyles, his friends said, preferring to group themselves as freethinkers who are outcasts because they don't buy conventional wisdom.

"That was just one part of him," said Braunfeld, who noted he was also a regular at medieval events. He said Smiler sometimes filled in as a DJ in clubs, wrote poetry and served as an editor and sounding board for other writers.

Countless friends told stories of the ebullient Smiler spotting them at a club or festival, grinning and wrapping them in his arms and welcoming them as "brother." Wolk said Smiler once embraced him and his wife in a hug, bemoaning that they were leaving so early -- at 2:30 a.m. -- and pushing the couple's heads together so hard he broke Wolk's wife's nose. They all laughed.

And he could do more than party. Longtime friend Steve Baker said Smiler once spotted him at Tracks when Baker was homeless, slipped some money in his pocket and boomed, "Have you found whose bed is going to keep you warm tonight?" It sounded like a challenge of manhood, "but that was just his way of asking, 'Are you going to be okay?' "


Post a Comment


View all comments that have

"Smiler was shot once in the head with a bolt-action rifle"

"She has checked herself into a psychiatric hospital, sources close to the case said"

Gee, I wonder who pulled the trigger.

He was a good man who accepted anyone as a friend, goth or not

i dont know if i'd call him weird. he was very smart and perceptive and a very friendly outgoing guy. but he did the things that made him happy and didnt really care what others think and he liked to dress in a flamboyant, attention getting way. eccentric, but not really weird.

Dirk was my good friend and I am crushed by this tragedy. He was truly an amazing man. His house and his heart was open to everyone. Sure, he was kinda "weird" in some respects, but he followed his own path through life and wasn't afraid to be himself. He was a poet, a bard, a teacher. He could recite Shakespeare by heart, or entertain a group of children with a recitation of "The Lorax"

He always had a smile on his face, and would welcome anyone with open arms. He called me "Brother", and I felt closer to him than my own blood family. His wake is this Saturday, hundreds have confirmed already, and are flying in from all over the world. This man was legend and will be sorely missed.
I am convinced that his GF pulled the trigger, and many of my friends are calling for her head.
-S

Officially the most tame, respectful obit. on FU (so far)...

I bought a few bootleg concert dvd's from him a few years ago.

The quality was actually fairly decent.

I dont think he was the one who actually filmed them though.

His Gf Cara did pull the trigger. She admitted this. Her posting two days prior on Fb alluded to her possible Intentions. Cara knew how to shoot as she had been a Sgt. in the Marine Corps. She also boasted of her ability to shoot on numerous occasions. The old mauser she used was bolt action meaning the round would have to be chambered by pulling the bolt back and then pushing the bolt foward again and after these actions finally pulling the trigger. The girl had joked on prior occasion of shooting him. She has other instances of domestic violence under her belt to such an extent that her two children reside with her former husband not to mention another former husband who she has informed others is deceased by accidental means. All in all she is trouble and now a good friend has passed.

get w/ the times Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> tomahawk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hey, I'm 85 and I still do the beat poetry
> > thing...some of us never grow up.
>
> You beat off to poetry? Haven't you heard about
> all the nudies on the interwebz?

ahh that shit had my laughin

Asiandale not aNnadale.

There is no way a former marine "accidentally" shot someone with a bolt action rifle. Obviously, the woman knew her way around a gun. Not to mention, as someone else pointed out, a bolt action rifle requires a very deliberate procedure to fire. It's not the kind of gun that just goes off. You don't have to be a cop to figure that one out. Why has this woman not been charged?

She checked herself into a psychiatric hospital? Perhaps gearing up for an insanity defense? That won't go her way, either. She had the presence of mind to lie to the police, so she can't very well argue she didn't know what she did was wrong.

She has a former husband who died under "accidental" circumstances? If what the above poster says is true, this could be a much bigger case than it is right now. Female killers are rare. Female killers with multiple victims are a total anomaly.

nobodyspecial Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> There is no way a former marine "accidentally"
> shot someone with a bolt action rifle. Obviously,
> the woman knew her way around a gun. Not to
> mention, as someone else pointed out, a bolt
> action rifle requires a very deliberate procedure
> to fire. It's not the kind of gun that just goes
> off. You don't have to be a cop to figure that
> one out. Why has this woman not been charged?
>
> She has a former husband who died under
> "accidental" circumstances? If what the above
> poster says is true, this could be a much bigger
> case than it is right now. Female killers are
> rare. Female killers with multiple victims are a
> total anomaly.


She probably hasn't been charged because she is military, think of the press. Maybe there are circumstances we are not privvy to.
But I agree female killers are an anomaly.

Dirk was a beautiful and wonderful soul who made everyone feel welcome, he will be missed and didn't deserve his end.

She was military. No longer is she military, At best her new title in life is murderer. Yes her going to the psyche ward is an attempt to establish an insanity defense. Knowing her and her loose tongue over time she has shared quite a few stories with people she may now wish she hadnt. Her final facebook entry alluded to Loving Dirk and at the same time expressing the idea of killing him, this posting was made one day ( more or less) prior to his murder. Definately a twisted girl.

If her FB page alluded to intent or in any way insinuated that she did it purposefully then I am sure there is a way to subpoena that page, deleted or not, to be used in the case against her. I am also sure that witnesses to her stories and shared feelings of murder will/should step forward and contact the police and write statements affirming this. I am also sure that if I can find this page, other pages with similar sentiments, and sites raising these questions in roughly 2 minutes in a google search that the detectives on the case will be looking into these things as well. In seeing these posts and knowing what I just stated I feel confident that if in fact she IS to blame and it was NOT accidental then she WILL be paying the price for her actions. Justice will be done.

R.I.P Dirk, you are very sorely missed.

As a side note to the disrespectful posts in this thread.....you people would be utterly ashamed of yourselves if you actually knew this man. He was probably the kindest most open and generous human being you would have ever had the chance to meet. Accepting of everyone regardless of anything. Go Google him and find all the articles and tributes to him. Every good thing said in those pages about him are true a thousandfold. Unlike you I do not hide behind screen names and aliases. My poster name is my real first name. It is easy to make fun of something or ridicule while you're safe in your home and anonymous. Your lives must be shallow and empty indeed to mock the passing of such a wonderful human being.

...was he behind on child support payments or not? I keep hearing conflicting accounts.

Gonads & Strife Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Officially the most tame, respectful obit. on FU
> (so far)...


who cares if he was behind on child support? it doesn't change the fact that he's gone and really isn't relevant. the dc scene has truely lost its goth king.

Regarding the gun, having been a friend of his, and having handled the gun in question (which he NEVER kept loaded, it was a priceless antique display piece that was gifted to him), I just wanted to clarify that it was not a bolt-action rifle (Mauser 98), it was a Broom Handle Mauser, which is a hand gun, albeit a damn big one. Irregardless, as an ex-marine, she knew her way around a gun, and a hand gun with a hammer requires just as much intent to fire as a rifle, just takes one less hand.
Tobias, no worries, Cara's post was screen-captured before her page was taken down, and it was handed over to the detectives.
Just because charges hadn't been pressed on Tuesday doesn't necessarily mean she's not being charged. Not everything going on with the investigation is being made public. It's early yet, let's give the authorities a chance to make their case airtight so they can give our friend some semblance of justice.
Let's just mourn our fallen brother together in piece.

bumped to fix formatting from previous poster

Is this her?



Crazy Bitch!

Yes that is Her,

And to correct the above post that states the weapon in question was a broomhandle mauser, The rifle in fact was a Mauser Gew. 98 Full size that was reissued for use in the second world war. Which again is the bolt action mentioned prior. He and I had spoken of taking this rifle out as soon as the weather cleared up.

No real issue either way as aside from the fact that I wish it had been a pistol round out of a broomhandle mauser that Cara shot him with as it most likely would have been way less lethal versus the round she hit him with which was designed to kill a soldier at an effective range of 700 meters.
What she did to him there was no chance of him living period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gewehr_98
&
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_C96 Broomhandle

Again she knew what she was doing as she had studied basic ballistics as part of her former job. She not only murdered an innocent man but one of the best men one could ask to know.

Ammo for an old antique like that can't be easy to locate (unless there is some sort of modern counterpart). Assuming that his girlfriend DID mean to kill him, since all reports are that he kept the rifle unloaded, she would have had to have tracked down the ammo, purchased it, and then kept it stored in preparation for the day that she would use it to load the Mauser. If this is true, then in would have been a long thought out plan of action with deliberate premeditation, not a crime if passion in the heat of a lover's quarrel. Is that what you're suggesting? That she had planned to murder him fir quite sone time and was just waiting for the opportune moment? Where did she get the Ammo? Why would he patiently wait for her to manipulate an old antique, bolt-action rifle and the shoot him between the eyes with it? Was he lying in bed asleep? On the toilet? On the floor? Did she ambush him in some way? She's like 5'1 and 98 pounds. How would she get the drop on him? It doesn't make any sense, unless I'm just misunderstanding the circumstances of the shooting somehow.

Ammo for an 8mm Mauser is easy to locate. Plenty of leftover ammo as after the second world war many nations used these firearms and in turn manufactured their own ammo.

The ammo was already in the home.

Cant comment on the actual shooting portion aside from what has already been mentioned prior. Either way the rifle was chambered by her was aimed by her and the trigger pulled by her. Resulting in the fatal wound. This much she has admitted to.

Wow, so she's actually ADMITTED to it? If she's admitted to chambering a round, aiming the weapon (between the eyes, no less) and releasing the mortal shot, how are Police still investigating? Why hasn't she been arrested? It seems like you knew the decedant very well. Possibly you were even his best friend. I am very curious as to YOUR conjecture as to what occurred. Nathan (Dirk) was not a small man, nor did he seem a coward. I know that if MY girlfriend grabbed a firearm and began to aim it at me, I would, run, attack her, disarm her, attempt to cover, scream for help, throw something at her, beg for my life, try to spoil her aim, SOMETHING other than just standing still while she drew a bead on me and blasted my head off. Given the disparity in their size and strength, the fact that it was HIS weapon and he knew where it was and what she would have been reaching for, and the relatively close quarters of a basement bedroom where he should have been able to close on her very quickly in order to prevent her from raising a 3-4 foot long rifle to an aimed position, I can't see how it could happen. Obviously it DID happen, but I don't see any way for it to happen unless he A) didn't believe she had the balls to go through with it and just stood there without attempting to stop her, B) Was complicit in the shooting (possible murder/suicide pact that she failed to uphold her end of), or C) She drugged, knocked unconcious, or somehow incapacitated him before staging the scene.

I also am curious to know what story she is claiming that would allow her to admit to her guilt and yet not have the Police immediately arrest her for murder. Again, since you are close to the situation, and it was your friend that was killed, I am very interested in what you THINK might have happened at the
moment of this murder (if that is, indeed, what it was.)

There are things that must be further investigated. Suicide. Assisted suicide. Self defense. It is too early to assign blame or misguided anger in place of despair. The authorities are working to determine what actually happened, and they will in due time. It is unfair to assume this young lady actually intended to kill him at this point, even if it is indeed true. If it were so, she would have been charged. She has not. You only have one chance to charge someone with capital murder. Dont rush to judge, the facts are unraveling, albeit slowly. Misplaced anger only serves to make the situation more difficult and the pain more severe. We cant bring him back.

=

edit by Cary: Account password compromised, disabled by administrator.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2010 07:35AM by inkahootz.

So, Inkahootz, if that's such a dumb idea, why don't you or Pitfall give us your idea of what happened then?

Taylor wrote:

>I know that if MY girlfriend grabbed a firearm and began to aim it at me, I >would,run, attack her, disarm her, attempt to cover, scream for help, throw >something at >her, beg for my life, try to spoil her aim, SOMETHING other than >just standing >still while she drew a bead on me and blasted my head off.

How do you know he didn't do one or all of the above? Also, how do you know that the instant he saw her aim the gun at him, he wasn't shot-making it impossible for him to react. Or maybe he didn't even see it coming. I love it when people seem to claim that a robbery/murder/assault couldn't have happened to them because they wouldn't have let it happen. You're not superman. I don't care how fast/strong/smart you are, you're no match for someone who's truly prepared and capable of killing you, especially when it's a person you lease expect it from and in a place where you least expect it to happen, like your home.

>Given the disparity in their size and strength, the fact that it was HIS weapon >and he knew where it was and what she would have been reaching for, and the >relatively close quarters of a basement bedroom where he should have been able >to close on her very quickly in order to prevent her from raising a 3-4 foot
>long rifle to an aimed position, I can't see how it could happen.

It's easy to see how it could happen. She could have had it already aimed as he walked in the room. She could have been in a closet and came out pointing it at him. He could have had his back turned and she could have pointed it at him then, and when he turned around, bam. He could have been asleep and she could have pointed it at him. I'm glad people like you don't usually become police detectives. There would be far more unsolved crimes. I sure hope you are not in any kind of position of trust. The lack of critical thinking skills is truly sad.

geez Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
I'm glad people like you don't usually
> become police detectives. There would be far more
> unsolved crimes. I sure hope you are not in any
> kind of position of trust. The lack of critical
> thinking skills is truly sad.


Hmmmmm, so "Geez" I believe that I actually already mentioned in a previous post that the only way that the scenario made sense to me would be if he were unconscious, incapacitated, or ambushed in some way. I also never said that if I was in a similar situation, I wouldn't "let" it happen to me. I actually said that if my girlfriend pointed a gun at me, I would TRY any & all of the things that I suggested, in order to try and save my ass. You asked me how I know that he didn't also try those things? Well, the fact that not ONLY is his head missing, but he was also shot right between the eyes, would strongly suggest that he didn't attempt any number of the things that I suggested.



Now, let's see, you also postulate that maybe she had already aimed the rifle before he came into the room (at what? Empty space? He wasn't in the room yet.) Or maybe she hid in the closet (so she managed to hide in a dark closet with a 4 foot long rifle in a horizontal "ready" position, despite the fact that the standard closet is less than 3 feet deep?) Or maybe his back was turned (long enough for her to grab the rifle, load it, CHAMBER a round using the bolt action and then point it at him?) Or maybe he was asleep (aside from the fact that I've already ASKED if this was possible, the fact that according to witnesses, the two of them had JUST gone down into the basement to talk before the gun-shot, giving him only several minutes to go to sleep would make this impossible.)



In the same way that you are glad that I'm not a Police Detective (although I may very well be) due to my "lack" of critical thinking skills, I am also glad that YOU are similarly not employed, due to your apparent inability to read, comprehend, or retain concepts from a relatively short, succinctly written paragraph that didn't contain any large or confusing words.



If you had possessed the reasoning capacity to actually GRASP what I was saying, you would have understood that I was not arguing that there was no way that she could have done it, I was stating that I didn't see a very good way for her to carry out her "plan" UNLESS it involved either surprising him in some way, or waiting until he was unconscious or asleep. I was asking friends of his who were closer to the situation than I am to explain to me what they think MIGHT have happened, because I wasn't coming up with any very believable scenarios using the limited FACTUAL information that I had been given (not all the bull-shit supposition not supported by facts, that you spit out.) I was hoping for some sort of scenario in which he DIDN'T allow himself to be slaughtered like a deer in the headlights of an on-coming semi. I assumed that his friends (who know this Cara Cottle as well), would have a VERY good idea about how this might have gone down, and considering the fact that she's apparently attempting to GET AWAY WITH IT, that they might want to explain THEIR side of the story so that it wouldn't JUST be her side being heard (which I'm assuming is somehow centered around some sort of self-defense argument).



Then you pop in with a moronic, poorly written post suggesting the very same things that I've ALREADY suggested and asked others about, and then after COMPLETELY misunderstanding my post (what little of it you were able to retain), you pat yourself on the back for your "superior Detective Skills". "Geez", you are as dumb as a bag of hammers. I'm sure that you must be grieving, but your grief doesn't excuse your stupidity.

If his head is missing, how would you know he was shot between the eyes?

It's been reported in several news articles that the round struck him in the middle of the lower forehead.

I'd do her. Crazy bitches are usually good fucks.

Poor Taylor. So stupid, so pathetic. Sigh

>Hmmmmm, so "Geez" I believe that I actually already mentioned in a previous post >that the only way that the scenario made sense to me would be if he were >unconscious, incapacitated, or ambushed in some way. I also never said that if I >was in a similar situation, I wouldn't "let" it happen to me. I actually said >that if my girlfriend pointed a gun at me, I would TRY any & all of the things >that I suggested, in order to try and save my ass. You asked me how I know that >he didn't also try those things? Well, the fact that not ONLY is his head >missing, but he was also shot right between the eyes, would strongly suggest >that he didn't attempt any number of the things that I suggested.

How stupid can you be? The fact that his head is missing and he was shot between the eyes does not prove that he didn't try to save himself with one or many of the methods that you stated!! It just means that he didn't succeed!


>Now, let's see, you also postulate that maybe she had already aimed the rifle >before he came into the room (at what? Empty space? He wasn't in the room yet.)

It's called ambushing a person. You should look up "ambush" in the dictionary. If she knew he was coming down, that gave her time to get ready. Again, your stupidity amazes me. Hey everyone, is it just me that sees something wrong with Taylor's reasoning here??

>Or maybe she hid in the closet (so she managed to hide in a dark closet with a 4 >foot long rifle in a horizontal "ready" position, despite the fact that the >standard closet is less than 3 feet deep?)

Let's say it was a walk in closet. Or maybe she's in the closet with the rifle pointing up, comes out, points it quickly and fires. My POINT is not to show this was the most probably way it happened. It was to prove that a whole host of scenarios could have explained what happened. Obviously your lack of intellectual rigor explains why you are so surprised that this could have happened to a grown man.

>Or maybe his back was turned (long enough for her to grab the rifle, load it, >CHAMBER a round using the bolt action and then point it at him?)

Sure, haven't you ever been facing one direction for a while, working at a desk, shuffling papers, reading? You don't know the layout of the room. This is VERY plausible.

>Or maybe he was asleep (aside from the fact that I've already ASKED if this was >possible, the fact that according to witnesses, the two of them had JUST gone >down into the basement to talk before the gun-shot, giving him only several >minutes to go to sleep would make this impossible.)

No it's not impossible. Some people fall asleep very quickly. Your stupidity just keeps getting better.

>In the same way that you are glad that I'm not a Police Detective (although I >may very well be) due to my "lack" of critical thinking skills, I am also glad >that YOU are similarly not employed, due to your apparent inability to read, >comprehend, or retain concepts from a relatively short, succinctly written >paragraph that didn't contain any large or confusing words.

Actually it's your lack of critical thinking skills that speak for themselves. I've already proven my point.


Instead of replying directly to your ridiculous two paragraph statement above, I'm going to copy and paste what your wrote earlier:

"Given the disparity in their size and strength, the fact that it was HIS weapon and he knew where it was and what she would have been reaching for, and the relatively close quarters of a basement bedroom where he should have been able to close on her very quickly in order to prevent her from raising a 3-4 foot long rifle to an aimed position, I can't see how it could happen. Obviously it DID happen, but I don't see any way for it to happen unless he A) didn't believe she had the balls to go through with it and just stood there without attempting to stop her, B) Was complicit in the shooting (possible murder/suicide pact that she failed to uphold her end of), or C) She drugged, knocked unconcious, or somehow incapacitated him before staging the scene. "

A-Believing that she didn't have the balls to go through with it, B-being complicit in a murder/suicide, and C-being drugged

*****THOSE 3 ARE NOT THE ONLY POSSIBILITIES YOU IGNORANT STUPID FUCK! ******
THAT WAS MY WHOLE POINT!!!
You can try restate what you wrote earlier, but you said something and implied something very idiotic. The fact that you continue to think it is impossible for him to have been shot while sleeping, or impossible for her to have ambushed him as he came downstairs, just proves my point about your stupidity further. Please do us all a favor and get off this board. We have to listen to enough stupid people already.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you had possessed the reasoning capacity to actually GRASP what I was saying, you would have understood that I was not arguing that there was no way that she could have done it, I was stating that I didn't see a very good way for her to carry out her "plan" UNLESS it involved either surprising him in some way, or waiting until he was unconscious or asleep. I was asking friends of his who were closer to the situation than I am to explain to me what they think MIGHT have happened, because I wasn't coming up with any very believable scenarios using the limited FACTUAL information that I had been given (not all the bull-shit supposition not supported by facts, that you spit out.) I was hoping for some sort of scenario in which he DIDN'T allow himself to be slaughtered like a deer in the headlights of an on-coming semi. I assumed that his friends (who know this Cara Cottle as well), would have a VERY good idea about how this might have gone down, and considering the fact that she's apparently attempting to GET AWAY WITH IT, that they might want to explain THEIR side of the story so that it wouldn't JUST be her side being heard (which I'm assuming is somehow centered around some sort of self-defense argument).

Then you pop in with a moronic, poorly written post suggesting the very same things that I've ALREADY suggested and asked others about, and then after COMPLETELY misunderstanding my post (what little of it you were able to retain), you pat yourself on the back for your "superior Detective Skills". "Geez", you are as dumb as a bag of hammers. I'm sure that you must be grieving, but your grief doesn't excuse your stupidity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>

"Geez" = FAIL!

Ok anyone who knew Dirk would know that he would not have killed himself. He was a fun loving guy and he was not one to get overly emotional over the loss of a female. There is no way you could kill yourself with that gun, and he wouldn't have had a "suicide pact". Also she is an ex marine so she is a pro at handling a gun like that, not that old given, but that kind of gun. She has been married 2 other times, and the first husband died in an accident also so that is kind of fishy. Now as far as anyone saying it was an accident, you tell me how you can accidentally pull back the bolt, load a round, chamber the round, aim a 4 foot gun, and fire and I'll give you a fucking medal. The fact is that there is no question he was murdered. Now the only way this could of happened is is she aimed at the door before he was in or he didn't know the gun was loaded, and I'm going for the latter.

Hmmm, so you think that she aimed it at him during the course of an argument and he just didn't take her seriously because he thought that there was no way that it could be loaded? That does seem to make sense. It explains a lot about the way that it happened. I agree with you that I can't see ANY way that he could have accidentally shot himself with a bolt-acion rifle. He would have had to have flipped the rifle around and then pulled the trigger with his toes. Perhaps he just didn't think that she was bat-shit insane enough to actually DO it.

What circumstances did her first husband die under? Did he "accidentally" shoot himself as well? Sounds like we might have a "Black Widow" here.

I heard from an inside source that they had a fight and he beat the shit out of her. She had bruises all over her face an neck.and that he knew the gun was laoded and he threatened her with it during the fight. From there somehow the gun went off. Thats why there have been no charges yet. They are waiting for the autopsy report to determine if her story matches up with what they find. I would say at very least, even if it was an accident, she's facing manslaughter charges at best. You all are right though.i met her about a year ago and she's a nut job. She was married 2 other times and has 2 little kids that dont live with her. The first husband was hit by a car and killed. from what i know of her, i don't think she would have planned this out. she seemed to really love dirk, but like i said, she's a nut job with little self control, so who knows what happened in that room during a heated fight. we'll all find out soon i guess.

Well, if the fact that her kids don't live with her makes her crazy, then he was crazy, too, because his kids didn't live with him, either. I knew the man, and while he certainly had redeeming qualities, he was not exactly a model father. He also had a penchant for picking out nutty females. That being said, he never struck me as a physical abuser. He had a lot of girlfriends, and that was not something I ever heard from anyone else. I'm not saying it isn't possible, I'm just saying, it would really surprise me to discover he was beating her. Besides, if that were the case, why say it was an accident? Why not self-defense, which is much more plausible under the circumstances?

Unless one of you was in that room at the moment this went down, no one knows what happened...furthermore, people can do things out of character in the heat of the moment. We all know someone who seems like one person in the public eye, and is someone different in the privacy of their own home. None of us knows the circumstances around this and what really happened or what was told to police. Whatever was told during questioning didn't make police beleive she needed to be charged or taken into custody, so who knows if she told them it was an accident or pleaded self defense??? regardless - she hasn't been charged which says something for now. No one knows what happened...its all pure speculation. Does anyone even know who owns that house?

rider06 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
Unless one of you was in that room at the moment
this went down, no one knows what
happened. None of us knows the
circumstances around this and what really happened
or what was told to police. No one
knows what happened...its all pure speculation.


Yes "Rider06", you are correct. That is exactly WHY we're speculating. You've hit it directly on the head. No one knows what happened, so people are left to try any figure out HOW something like this could have happened. Most people say that he was not the type of guy to abuse her or threaten her with a weapon. I've ALSO heard that she would not have killed him in cold blood and that she couldn't have actively planned this. It seems like something that COULDN'T have happened, but it DID. Ergo, we are attempting to figure out,(based on a mixture of solid facts and the opinions of the people that know/knew them), WHAT could possibly have HAPPENED?

"Taylor"- LOL. Thanks for the clarification.

No Problemo, Buddy. It's my duty to educate and inform. ;)

"he never struck me as a physical abuser"

That must be the #1 comment heard whenever a great person, the pillar of some community, is revealed to be an abuser. Not saying Dirk was. Just saying.

"That must be the #1 comment heard whenever a great person, the pillar of some community, is revealed to be an abuser. Not saying Dirk was. Just saying."

It's also the #1 comment heard whenever a great person is NOT an abuser.

Just saying.

Attention all posters: Clue-by-Four: If it looks like manure, smells like manure, and feels like manure; It's manure.

Tylor is obviously working on organizing the Temporary Insanity defense for the alleged, which we knew was going to come up. This individual has been using various handles on just about every Internet site and article which has arisen from this tragedy. Covertly phishing for information to lay the grounds for an organized Insanity Defense. Please do not feed the swarthy little Maggot!

Gothquen is playing the part of "Agent Provocateur" working toward the same goals. Did you not think the Detectives would access this individual's Military Records during such an investigation?

It is well know by all who know Nathan Smiler, that for all his bravado, posturing, and manly bluffing he was not, in all fact, prone to physical violence. It was one of the very personality quirks that made him amusing in so many regards. He would go out of his way to talk and Bull Shit his way out of any such physical altercation when it arose. He relied on his oratory skills and natural charisma get himself out of any such bind.

He was quite simply, and I'm sorry there is no politically correct way to put it: A wimpy and a cowardly little girlie-man when it came to any possible chance somebody may scar his pretty face. If he could not talk his way out of a physical altercation, he would just run away as fast as his legs would carry him and hide.

Hello again, "Geez". I'm sorry that my earlier verbal spanking has caused you to feel the need to hide behind another screen-name. If by "Tylor", you mean "Taylor" (which I assume to be the case, given your inexplicable inability to read/retain/comprehend relatively simple grammatical constructs), I will again tell you that I have no dog in this hunt. I've never met either one of the central characters in this drama. From what I've read, I probably would not have anything in common with either one of them if I had met them. I simply find it to be an interesting, (albeit tragic), topic. We don't have too many "sensational" murders like this in Fairfax County. I also find the "mysterious" circumstances as well as the "Goth scene" tie-in to add an additional curiosity value. I have not commented on any other boards or articles, and if his girlfriend did commit the crime, then I hope she fries for it. Your theory that I am attempting to "lay the groundwork" for an insanity defense is simply not true, and would imply that I am her lawyer or otherwise involved in the case. Whether you choose to believe it or not, this is false.

I DO find it interesting, however, that you seem to think that I (as well as "Gothquen") are somehow attempting to help/shield/protect the "killer" (again, if she did it). It seems from the bulk of the comments I've read that the vast majority of people who knew them both are on his side. If she killed him and is truly a "bad" person, why would you believe that we are all part of a vast conspiracy to protect her?

Then again, maybe all of the ganja is making you paranoid. Perhaps you should switch to some Benzos instead. Or even (god forbid) attempt to handle your daily affairs without the aid of chemical assistance.

Not a sermon, just a thought.

Taylor- thank you! you took the words right out of my mouth!

I didn't post as JustMyFrigginOpinion. That was someone else. I wouldn't need to. It was I who gave you a verbal spanking not the other way around as any person can see above. I know you would prefer for me to the same as this other poster so you can say I'm paranoid. But it's not the truth. Taylor: "I don't see any way for it to happen unless he A) didn't believe she had the balls to go through with it and just stood there without attempting to stop her, B) Was complicit in the shooting (possible murder/suicide pact that she failed to uphold her end of), or C) She drugged, knocked unconcious, or somehow incapacitated him before staging the scene."

MORON!

Why, of course, my dearest Goth Queen. We have to occasionally chastize the rabble, now don't we?

Oh thank god, "Geez". I was concerned that you had forgotten to administer your anti-psychotic meds again. The way that you were changing personalities back and forth caused me to assume that your schizo-affective disorder was acting up again.

By the way, if you REALLY are/were a friend of Dirk Smiler's, I must say "nice job" in taking a thread devoted to his tragic death (whether it be by murder, accident, suicide, etc.), and turning into something all about YOU,

One would THINK that if you REALLY were a friend of Dirk's that you would want to stay on topic (the topic of Dirk, remember him?). But you seem infinitely more interested in focusing our attention upon you.

Here's a suggestion, Geez/JustMyFrigginOpinion/Ass-hat, whatever you choose to call yourself from moment to moment, how about you let the grown-ups discuss the TOPIC at hand, which is DIRK SMILER and his DEATH, and stop being such an piteous attention whore?

If you need a "I'm Geez, PLEASE give ME some attention!" thread, I will be happy to start one for you, but as of NOW, this thread is once again "Dirk-centric", which means that we won't be wasting any more time on your crazy, little ass.

M'kay? Good.

Now run along. (Unless you have something to say about Dirk.)

Oh, of course you're correct. No doubt about that. I've learned that one of the things that sometimes prevents an abused person from getting help (if they ever arrive at the idea that they deserve it, let alone get up the courage to ask for it) is that people who know the abuser often just don't believe they could so such a thing, so the victim hits a wall just when they most need for somebody to believe them and help out. I wasn't trying to suggest anything beyond that. We good?

Taylor, you're the one who took this thread down the negative path.

No one on this board wants to hear that Dirk "should have been able to close on her very quickly in order to prevent her from raising a 3-4 foot long rifle to an aimed position"

or that anyone in that situation would "run, attack her, disarm her, attempt to cover, scream for help, throw something at her, beg for my life, try to spoil her aim, SOMETHING other than just standing still while she drew a bead on me and blasted my head off."

you make Dirk sound like some sort of weakling or screw-up. Fuck off! You're no decent person and you are a MORON.

Taylor:"the two of them had JUST gone down into the basement to talk before the gun-shot, giving him only several minutes to go to sleep would make this impossible." [shooting him while he's asleep]

Taylor:"Well, the fact that not ONLY is his head missing, but he was also shot right between the eyes, would strongly suggest that he didn't attempt any number of the things that I suggested."

IDIOT! You've given us lots of quotes to prove how stupid you are. Do us all a favor and FUCK OFF!!

Don't apolologise, "MartaB". You're certainly allowed to have an opinion. No one interpreted your post as somehow accusing Dirk of abuse, except for one or two reactionary crack-pots who seem unable to read other people's posts without immediately assuming that the original author is somehow out to get them (or Dirk). F-them if they're too stupid to understand the gist of your post. The REST of us got it.

Geez, I ALREADY made you a nice, cozy thread for you to rant in. Go post in that one.

P.S. The very fact that you simply can't have a debate without sinking to the "You're a moron/idiot/fuck you, etc. level just continues to prove the limit of your intellect. You'll notice that in ALL of my posts addressing YOU, I have not resorted to name calling or denigration (although I DID call your post "moronic" but not you). Childish insults, potty mouth and name calling are the last bastion of the simple-minded.

Now go sit in your thread and think about what you've done.

Taylor wrote
>>You'll notice that in ALL of my posts addressing YOU, I have not resorted to name calling or denigration

Taylor wrote
>>F-them

Soooo, maybe you weren't addressing me directly in that second quote (you were talking about me to someone else) but then you said

"Childish insults, potty mouth and name calling are the last bastion of the simple-minded."

Ok, you potty mouthed little simple minded child. Your words, not mine! Unless it's only childish when other people use such language and not you.

You've been schooled today haven't you? You should just let it go because the more you talk, the more stupidity comes through.

Have you noticed that almost ALL of your "rebuttals" consist of simply copying my words/thoughts/points? Hang it up, Big-G. You can SAY that you "schooled" me all you want. Simply saying it doesn't make it so, though. Now, AGAIN, would you please allow this thread to veer AWAY from you and back to the original topic? We would all really appreciate it.

The reason I kept copying and pasting your quotes is because your writings speak for themselves. That's why.

And WE would really appreciate it if you would apologize for the irreverent remarks you made regarding Dirk so we can get back to the topic.

Nevermind, I am sorry. I realize that someone has to be the bigger man, or this thread will never get back on topic. In order to show how much Dirk meant to me, I apologize, and from this point on, I will disregard anything Tylor says.

Sorry Dirk... Love you man.

HAHAHA! When I said apologize, I meant apologize from your handle "Taylor" not from mine. But no matter. I'm glad you finally came through.

>>>>
Nevermind, I am sorry. I realize that someone has to be the bigger man, or this thread will never get back on topic. In order to show how much Dirk meant to me, I apologize, and from this point on, I will disregard anything Tylor says.

Sorry Dirk... Love you man.
>>>>>>>>

Meds, brother......take your meds. It's SO important.

I was the impostor Geez... Why don't you both shut up?

I already had shut up. Why don't you shut up?

Thanks a lot. Now, back to Dirk.

I am mourning for his children who have to grow up without their father because pursuing his self indulgent ostentatiousness and passion for lust was more important than they were.

ucme hi haters Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I am mourning for his children who have to grow up
> without their father because pursuing his self
> indulgent ostentatiousness and passion for lust
> was more important than they were.

I'm glad SOMEONE finally said it.

fascinating

Well, that's the definition of a "Hedonist", someone who only pursues pleasure to the exclusion of all else. I guess that's what he was all about. Ironic that the single-minded pursuit of pleasure would lead to such an unpleasant death.

ucme hi haters Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I am mourning for his children who have to grow up
> without their father because pursuing his self
> indulgent ostentatiousness and passion for lust
> was more important than they were.


I do not understand why these people who are fawning all over him are able to excuse him for that. There is nothing more unforgivable than turning your back on your kids, especially to whore it up and party. No "great man" cowers from the responsibility of his own flesh and blood, I don't care what his excuse was. He was popular because he through parties and was charming. So what? Being popular says nothing at all about your character, and it doesn't say anything about his.

@Walker89: Amen. I agree 100%. I often read about people I don't know who have met an untimely death and my heart ached for their family or associates who respected them.

In this case, I read the initial news story and really didn't give a shit. Regardless of how charming this fella may have been, I think he was completely and utterly useless. Ignoring your kids so you can live a life of debauchery and hedonsim makes him a douchebag.

Did he deserve to have his face rearranged by a shotgun? Maybe, maybe not. But he hung out with people that had a limited range of values thus somebody decided shooting him was within their realm of acceptable behavior.

De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est...

He didn't ignore his children. You people are speculating. He was very much involved in his younger childs life and was getting to know his older daughter.

Him not being involved in his older daughters life, was not his choice at all. The mother and I are friends, and it was a choice she was pressured into at a young age by her mother. She has then attempted to rectify it, and his older daughter and him had been talking for awhile now.

So STFU unless you are involved and know what is going on.

You people are shameless.

Our friend, our brother died. We miss him. He wasn't a loser, a douchebag or anything like that. HE WAS involved with his children. Not that's it's YOUR business as you obviously were not privileged to be close enough to him to know of that fact.

He was a great man, who helped many people. I loved him and he is sorely missed.

Note to self: If anyone I care about dies in a horrific media-centric way in the DC metropolitan area, I will not post a tribute to them at FFXU.

Good idea

I unlike most of the people who have posted here have known and loved Dirk for thirteen years. I was there when his youngest child was snatched from him by slander in court. I was there when he found out he had another daughter years before, unbeknownst to him. He fought to have them in his life. He was an amazing man with heart of gold. He was there for me and countless others when we needed him, always with open arms. I knew some of his girlfriends and love interests. I even knew one that got physical with him in an argument. He did not get physical. And as said above he would use his gift of words and charm to get him out of any physical confrontation. He was a gentle soul. At first glance to many people, I'm sure he "looked" scary and unapproachable, he was anything but. He unlike most in this world did not judge on appearance or by peoples past. Shame on those of you using this unfathomable situation to create more drama and hate in a world that's barely hanging on as it is.
I will also add, I was at his wake on Saturday night with hundreds apon hundreds of others. You could barely move around inside or outside the house. I listend to the counless people tell their stories of him. I raised my glass of whiskey many times that night. It was the only true wake I've ever been to, bagpipes and all. It was an epic send off to an epic man. He is loved by many and will shine on in the hearts of all that knew him.
Rest in peace brother. Everytime I touch the stars behind my ear I know that that you and all the others that have passed in my life are shining bright and watching over me.

Wishing you well wherever you are, you were always a kindly, gentlemanly lord amongst the rabble. I was only an acquaintance, we had shared a few conversations, invitations always extended. Your vivacious heart loomed large upon any room you deigned to enter. You were loved.

I was told today - we mourn our loss - the world is less bright. I will sit for a moment, listen to this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MDlMdu2gjw) and drink red and wish this was only a falsity. Peace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MDlMdu2gjw

He sounds like a wastrel. Too bad he didn't accomplish anything in his life.

If he was so involved with his kids, how come of all the photos posted online of him, not ONE depicts him with either one of his children? Yeah, Father of the Year.

I agree brother and sisters this has been a draining experience and I trust, the fairfax police know what they are doing, i have spent many nights on dirks couch and have attended a majority of his dinner parties and after hours... and Yet, I still cant believe Cara is not a murder. Yet, i think Cara is a loud, squeaky and obnoxious... and acts stupid when she is drunk.

i do believe there was a huge fight, I do believe dirk and cara loved each other and i do believe, cara screwed up and not knowing the gun was loaded she shot dirk. Which is proably the reason why cara wasnt arrested...

I believe there was a third party involved... which caused this fight, I believe, this person (she) hasn't come out in the open, this person has not chosen to revel herself because dirk believes in an open relationships. Cara found this out... I believe nothing is more important than knowing that missing hour when the roommates were in the there rooms and dirk was making up with Cara or were they continuing to fight?

What is missing my friends, is intent... friends

Dem Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

"I still can't believe Cara is not a murderer."

Wait, so........you're saying that she IS a murderer? Or that she isn't? If you CAN'T believe that she's NOT a murderer, then that means she IS one, right? But then you say that it was an accident. Or.......did you mean that she didn't murder anyone? And then you said that the "third party" is remaining concealed because Dirk believed in OPEN relationships? If he was open, and he dated Cara for over a year, then why wouldn't she know that it was an open relationship? And why would this "third party" be hiding in the dark if Dirk wanted everything out in the open? It's all very confusing.

Um, yeah. I knew one of his child's mothers very well. To say he was a good father involved with his kids minimizes the pain he caused them and gives him more credit than he deserves. He wanted nothing to do with his daughter. He always bailed out on his visitation dates at the last minute, breaking that poor little girl's heart every time. When he did show up, he was usually hung over or drunk, and he always cut the visit short.

Also, YOU may not have known about his older daughter, but he did. I was told about her when she was very young, and then quickly instructed not to tell anyone I knew about her, because it was this big secret and he didn't want to claim her. Disgraceful.

There is no reason to disparage the dead; but there is no reason to gloss over there mistakes and put them on a pedestal, either.

"I believe there was a third party involved... which caused this fight, I believe, this person (she) hasn't come out in the open, this person has not chosen to revel herself because dirk believes in an open relationships. Cara found this out..."

So, basically, what you're saying is that he was cheating on her. Because it's not an "open relationship" unless everyone involved knows it's an "open relationship." Otherwise, it's just plain old cheating. Let's call it what it was.

RIP. This nutjob can now party in hell with those two stupid girls who hit the concrete barrier with the Jaguar.

Sounds like the two stupid girls were in an accident. Were they intoxicated/doing drugs?

What two stupid girls? Is this something that just happened?

Old news ^^^

Please lest stop bickering as it does not do Dirk any good.

First, Dirk and Cara were in an open relationship from the start and had only been together about 9 months. They used each other for sex and drugs and that’s it and there was no love in the relation. Please remember that Dirks public face is different from his private. I was there when Cara first approached Dirk and I and when she vanished for a year and then came back. I do know that Dirk was NOT a beater. I was with him for years and while we could have royal shouting matches he never hit me. Cara is a heavy drinker and pill popper who has a big mouth and loves to instigate. She also liked to be roughed up in the bedroom. It’s how she got off and yes I was there so don’t try to tell me I don’t know what I am talking about.

Cara pulled the trigger and why the gun was brought into an argument we will never know. Cara was knowledgeable about guns and so for her to have pulled the trigger means she meant to kill. You don’t point a gun and pull the trigger unless it’s to kill, I don’t care how mad you are at someone. She will pay for what she has done but the courts will take time.

As for his children, Dirk was not given the chance to be with his children. He tried when he could but it was very hard. He cared for the youngest when she very small before she was taken and the older he did not know about at first and had some doubts but he did not deny that she could be his. I never had contact with the older daughter but we did have time with his younger child and he loved her very much and it was his plan for her to eventually live with him. I did send in pictures of him with his youngest but they were not posted online. We did have multiple pictures up around the house of his youngest and he was very proud of her. I am glad he got so much time with her last year and that he really made the effort to be a dad.

Dirk was human and mortal (much to our surprise) and his death is a great loss to all his friends. Dirk loved his friends and the Goth scene and I hope that each of us loved him to the best we could. Despite his faults and the fact that he was a pain in butt to live with he was a good man who did not deserve to die like this. I for one will miss him very much.

Erica,

Sounds like you had a sexual relationship with Cara also. Why would you be so quick to say she pulled the trigger? Any thoughts on how the gun got loaded?

Open relationships are lame. Somebody always gets hurt, catches something, or winds up DEAD! Just ask Dr. Drew : ) There is a reason why they call it "High-Risk Behavior." Oh yeah, by the way, Dirk gave HPV to a lot of people. Pretty gay that he didn't think of mentioning that to his little F-buddies before having sex with them. That should be criminal.

But it is true that besides all this, he definitely did not deserve to die like this. RIP Dirk

She knew it was an open relationship! She posted on facebook that they were looking for a female to come be snowed in with them and also her relationship status was in an open relationship.

Well if it was on facebook it must mean it was a perfectly healthy and stable relationship at least until the whole murder thing.

Dirk did NOT have his child "snatched" from him. That may have been what he told people, but I know for a fact he signed away his rights to the baby's maternal grandmother so that he would not have to raise her himself. Frankly, the kid was probably better off anyway, but no one forced him. That was a decision he made on his own.

Hopefully the dumbass had a life insurance policy so he can provide for the children he ignored in life.

.
Attachments:

OK, there's lots of speculation here but there are some facts.

IF (big IF) it was one of those late 19th Century Mauser Rifles (I have one myself) this is a large weapon. I'm 5' 10" and the rifle stands on it's butt as an easy hold at the muzzle with my forearm level. Anyone who has held a large rifle or been on a drill team knows what that looks like. It's a long way from butt to muzzle. Also, this rifle is heavy and kicks pretty hard. After an afternoon of carrying and shooting mine I am glad to put it down. It's LOUD! Very loud!, There is no way anyone shoots this weapon in doors as a 'lark' unless they're completely unfamiliar with what it can do (or very stupid or very drunk). The round is capable of penetrating light armor and stories exist from WWII ad WWI of single bullets killing 2 and 3 people in line. Dirk's bedroom is large but not so large that this was easy to swing around in the room without some thought.


I don't know what round his weapon was chambered for. I believe they originally came in 7 MM and 8 MM sizes but many were re-chambered for the NATO 7.62 x 51 which is pretty much identical to the .308 Winchester (mine is). Whatever the case, the ammo is NOT hard to get and the weapons are extremely powerful. At 500 yards (if you can hit him) this thing will easily punch through a person. The ammo is loaded, from the top, into an internal, non-removable magazine that can only be loaded and unloaded when the bolt is fully open. The loading is done one-at-a-time or with a stripper clip of 5 rounds.

The safety is on the very back of the bolt and has an extremely stiff action to rotate 180 degrees. If it's on safe, it's just about impossible to accidentally 'knock' it off of safe. The trigger is well 'guarded' and next-to-impossible to hit accidentally. The firing pin does have an extension out of the back of the bolt and could be 'hit' but that would not allow it to trigger a round. It has too much travel and the trigger mechanism is too solid to let impact release the firing pin.

OK, that all means what? It means if the gun was out, it was very intentional. This isn't the kind of thing that is easily left lying around, unnoticed. If it was out, everyone in the room knew it.
It means that if it was loaded, with a round in the chamber, someone had gone out of their way to make it that way. Putting bullets into this weapon is not like slapping a magazine into the hand grip of a .45. It's actually a bit of a pain in the ass.
It means that the safety was off and had been very purposely taken off. The safety is a large, stiff lever, about the size of the last digit of my pinky finger.
It means that the trigger was triggered by someone's finger or some other thing put on the trigger and pulling/pressing. This wasn't set off by someone dropping a lighter. It wasn't knocked against a bed frame.
It means that the gun is extremely difficult to shoot yourself with. As many times as I shook hands with Dirk (forearm to forearm) I still couldn't tell you if he had extremely long arms. Even so, it would take long arms and a determined attitude to use this particular rifle to kill yourself with. I can't imagine Dirk killing himself and I don't think he would use his toes on the trigger even if he did.

I hope this clears up a few people's thinking. It's a bunch of answers but not THE answer. We'll have to wait a little longer for that.

Victor

Good thing this guy "touched" so many others...cause I don't think anybody would have otherwise. Goths are hot...
Attachments:

Sooooooo, did the chick get arrested? Was she found guilty? Did they cut off her trigger finger? How did this whole thing work out?

More about the shooting:
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php?id=1109

Well, I guess we can call the police and tell them not to bother with an investigation, as the Internet Detectives are now on the case...any of you care to post your Crime Scene Reports?

STFU
GTFO

Hey Sgt. Stanko, the only Crime Scene photo I have is one I took of your Momma's cooter. Tell that bitch to trim that shit up! It's like sticking my dick in an Afro-wig. Now THAT'S a crime.

BUT and it's a big BUT, he is still goth worm food

---------------------------------------------------
W.W.S.D. what would Scooby Doo

I think it is really none of our business...the child support thing, but the point is that Dirk was a great friend to a lot of people, but certainly not perfect. We all love drama, but I do think "Goth King" is stretching it a bit. I'm not sure what his situation was, but I am sure his child and his baby momma care about whether he made child support payments. Good people try to take care of their children.

As I said, it's really none of our business, but because he is gone, he definitely won't be around for his daughter, which is a shame.

Wow Taylor, you really know how to express your educated opinion with class and wit whilst raising the level of discussion. Grade School insults? I think I must have hit a nerve with you...

FACT: the only people with a credible opinion on this are the people who were in the house.
FACT: there is currently an active investigation by the police.
FACT: the people who were in the house won't be saying anything about it (especially not on a low-grade internet forum with sparkling intellects like Taylor) while that investigation is active, as to do so would jeopardize said investigation as well as be illegal.
FACT: Taylor pisses himself (how do I know you're a guy? Hmm.) with fear whenever faced with real life conflict, and compensates by being as tough and in your face as he can never be in person behind the protective anonymity of the internet.

How about you go watch a CSI marathon or something? Your morbid fascination can be harmlessly diverted into something that does not impact on grieving parents and childrens' real lives. I hope when you are dead you are judged by random internet tough-guys and know-it-alls who have never met you.

Yes, goths are fat and ugly.
Darkies are lazy and prone to criminality.
The Irish are violent drunks.
Arabs are terrorists.
Uppity Women are possessed by demons.
Despite all the technology, it really is hard to believe that this is the 21st, hell, even the 19th century...

There's a lot of judgment being thrown around. There's a couple things I want to comment on.

Open relationships: Yes, Dirk and Cara were in an open relationship. It was not a secret to anyone... Least of all Cara, or any women he dated. Womanizer, ladies man, Lothario, rake... Call it what you will. But he was not a player - He was always open about the fact that he wanted to see other people, that he would not accept just one sexual partner. Open relationships are not unusual in the goth/freak subculture.

Cara must have agreed to be in an open relationship, even enjoyed the benefits... I've seen many women go along with open relationships, then get upset when "their man" is not paying them enough attention because he's chasing "strange". I think these women have self-esteem issues. I don't have any problem with open relationships, but I have a problem with women who lie to themselves and go along with shit they don't like ...Then have emotional breakdowns or jealous rages later. I've seen it happen too many times, but never this bad.

Child support - Yes, Dirk did not have custody of either child. Does that make him a bad person? Maybe a poor parent... But he was not a bad parent. He did not mistreat or abuse his children. He did not try to raise them in a house filled with drugs, alcohol and promiscuous behavior. Instead, he let his youngest daughter be raised by grandparents, endowed with a trust fund. Did he take responsibility? Not in the way most people do. But he did ensure that his child was raised by loving members of her family.

anon Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> Child support - Yes, Dirk did not have custody of
> either child. Does that make him a bad person?
> Maybe a poor parent... But he was not a bad
> parent. He did not mistreat or abuse his children.
> He did not try to raise them in a house filled
> with drugs, alcohol and promiscuous behavior.
> Instead, he let his youngest daughter be raised by
> grandparents, endowed with a trust fund. Did he
> take responsibility? Not in the way most people
> do. But he did ensure that his child was raised by
> loving members of her family.


Appears that Dirk destroyed a number of young lives while seeking his own pleasure.

Fucking goths. Serious mental problems.
Attachments:

Too many chinks in Annandale...way too many. It feels like a bad karate movie.

Lol, Sgt. Stanko, I think that YOU must be the one who had a nerve struck. Struck like a root-canal. I've never seen so many "FACTS" typed in all caps in my life. I have to admit though, it really helped get your point across.

As much as I would like to give you credit for "knowing that I'm a guy", I actually TOLD you that I'm a guy. It was implied when I told you about sticking my dick in your mom's Afro-cooter.

To be honest, the rest of your post was just a lot of blah-bla-blah. I think maybe it was the lack of all-caps. Perhaps you should type in all caps whenever you write.

In any case, If the sorry state of your mom's pubic bush bothers you so much, take it up with her. I've blocked her from Facebook and stopped taking her calls. She was getting all clingy. Maybe you could get her an Epilady for Christmas? Just an idea.

τον τεθνηκοτα μη κακολογειν

Vita turpis ne morti quidem honestae colum relinquit



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/28/2010 02:48PM by Taylor.

Wow, the mourning and grieving is already over? Not really a whole lot of tears shed for the "King of Goth". I wonder what his killer is up to right now.

Taylor Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Wow, the mourning and grieving is already over?
> Not really a whole lot of tears shed for the "King
> of Goth". I wonder what his killer is up to right
> now.

I think the sad reality is that most of these people did not really care about him, they just wanted to be part of the drama. *shakes head*

The goth king is dead. Somebody else is already sharing their cocaine and alcohol with the goth partiers. A few more months and nobody will even remember who the fuck he was.

I doubt anybody knew who he was in the first place until he went and got his face blown off and earned a paragraph in the obit section of the weekly paper...

The reality is that those of us who loved him are done talking to douches, morons and trolls.

I like how NOONE in this thread has any fucking clue what they are talking about. I havent seen so much 'projected bullshit' since the Obama election.

The dude either suck started a Mauser, or she is a clever little Marine.

Either way, let the grown ups figure out what happened instead of spewing bullshit that is so obviously bullshit.

Fuck you very much.

Taylor Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Wow, the mourning and grieving is already over?
> Not really a whole lot of tears shed for the "King
> of Goth". I wonder what his killer is up to right
> now.

Since he shot himself, the killer is up to an autopsy.

.
Attachments:

Honestly I am appalled at the lack of humanity expressed here on this site. People who are personally hating on Dirk and saying uncouth things his family will likely be hurt by. Posting bullet wound pictures and fat goths. What the hell does that have to do with anything? Really friggin' tasteless. Never mind that there was a person who just died. Is life so invaluable to you?

I knew another side to Dirk that most didn't. Which was mentioned previously, the face Dirk put on publicly was very different than his face at home. I was a roommate of his at Perdition's Gate when Cougar was pregnant with Rhiannon. Dirk loved having a horrible reputation. He actually did manage to have mostly monogamous open relationships, believe it or not. I know he very much loved Cougar and his daughter. I also know he did the best possible thing for his daughter by not raising her himself. Admitting that you lack the means to care for the child you love may be nobler than the parent who raises their child surrounded by drugs, parties and in an unstable environment.

No one ever claimed that Dirk were some sort of saint. Father of the year, he was not. Irresponsible with finances, yes. Dirk was Dirk. He never pretended to be any more than that. In a better world, all parents would do the right thing and be parents to their kids. Unfortunately, we don't live in that world. There's no point arguing about Dirk's parenting skills.

I came to this forum to see if I could garner more information on who Cara was. She added me to her friend list on Facebook some time ago, and not knowing if she was some other Cara I had met before, I added her to my friends. Now I speculate whether or not she was randomly adding Dirk's friends that she had never even met nor spoken to? Because I certainly have not ever met her as far as I can recollect. And am glad of it. From what I've read here and on her profile on Facebook, she doesn't seem to be the type I prefer to acquaint myself with.

Personally, I am mourning the loss of my friend and am disappointed by the lack of compassion from those posting safely behind their anonymous handles without regard for the repercussions of their slung insults and disrespect for the deceased. I hope no one attends your funerals, and likely, you'll be lucky to get a one line obit.

:)

I'd rather have a one line obit about how great of a father I was to my children and how great of a husband I was to my wife than half a page in the paper and a thread on a local forum about how big of a worthless, fat piece of shit I was before I suck-started a rifle.

:)


P.S. your friend is WORMFOOD

With Love,

A guy who isn't dead and burning in hell for committing suicide.

"Admitting that you lack the means to care for the child you love may be nobler than the parent who raises their child surrounded by drugs, parties and in an unstable environment."

LOL Jesus Christ, the fact that that is the best you can say about him as a parent is pretty telling.

And the fact that you devote so much time to being a low-grade troll, that you have so little compassion, that you go so out of your way to try and make grieving strangers unhappy is VERY telling indeed.

Ultimately, I pity you. This is how you entertain yourself. Sad.

anon Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> And the fact that you devote so much time to being
> a low-grade troll, that you have so little
> compassion, that you go so out of your way to try
> and make grieving strangers unhappy is VERY
> telling indeed.
>
> Ultimately, I pity you. This is how you entertain
> yourself. Sad.

lol whatever. you entertain yourself fucking around with stupid people who do nothing but party and neglect their kids. sad.

juju Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> lol whatever. you entertain yourself fucking
> around with stupid people who do nothing but party
> and neglect their kids. sad.


Oh shit! See ya, bitch!
Attachments:

So, did anything ever come of this? I never heard anything about the shooter being charged. Initially there was a lot of "Don't worry, the Cops are close to making an arrest!", but now it's completely faded away. Did she get away with it?

Looks like the house has been abandoned too.

Oh yeah? Why do you say that?

No arrest because noone gives a shit...

What do you call a goth lying in the road?
A speed bump.


How do you get a goth out of a tree?
Cut the rope!

Old goths don't die, they just need less makeup.

Why did the goth cross the road?
It didn't, it was dead.

What's black and sits in the corner?
A dead baby goth.

What's black and knocks on the window?
A goth in a microwave.

How many goths does it take to change a lightbulb?
None, but one has to light the candle.

How many goths does it take to change a lightbulb?
None, they'd rather sit in the dark and cry.

How many goths does it take to change a lightbulb?
None, they just embrace the darkness.

Everybody who's even been in the same room as a guy that once knew a goth chick in this area knew who Dirk was. I can't even fathom opening up where I live to that many people, some of them complete strangers, on such a frequent basis.

I didn't know a lot about him personally, but every time I talked to him, he was always a really nice guy.

--------------------------------------------------------------
13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

Who knew that there were sooooooo many "Goths" in the area? I've always associated the "Goth" movement with High School aged kids. I had no idea that so many adults were into it as well. (Aside from adults like "Marilyn Manson" who are just milking all the suckers for the $$$.)

I guess that I'm fascinated by this particular story because I've never read about a person that lived their entire life dedicated soley to the pursuit of their own hedonistic pleasure. Particularly since most people who are only interested in their own pleasure are usually pompous, selfish, egotistical ass-holes. I know from Psychology classes that he exhibited all of the classic signs of a Sociopath with narcissistic tendancies, and in many ways he COULD have been another Ted Bundy (charming, witty, always surrounded by women who were atracted to him, popular, center of attention, very different person behind closed doors, etc.)

Somehow he managed to be interested in nothing but himself, and yet get everyone to like him at the same time. I also wonder why he picked the ONE girl that was resistant to his "dazzle" and why she was SO resistant that she shot him in the face and then completely got away with it, ESPECIALLY when everyone SEEMED to "love" him so much. Although, admittedly, since his funeral, all the people professing their deep and undying love have dryed up and blown away. I wonder what it says about him as a person (if anything) that his best friends forgot him two days after his burial and the only person left who is still interested in him and his life is a stranger that never met him and has no love for him at all.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/19/2010 12:47PM by Taylor.

Dear Taylor,

You just can't give this thread up, can you? Seems like your life must revolve around this forum. It's pretty silly to assume that since Dirk's friends have stopped caring because they stopped answering your attempts at trolling.

The reality is that Dirk's friends, goths and non-goths alike (like me) still miss him very much. He is very much in our thoughts... His Facebook page still gets several comments a day from friends, just saying they miss him, or they dreamed of him (go ahead and make fun of this... It's not like the dead check their Facebook page). A couple weeks ago one of the clubs he frequented had a special Dirk tribute at their St Patty's Day party. We all remember Dirk, we all still love him, and we're all waiting to hear something from the police. Hopefully we'll hear that Cara Cottle has been charged with murder. However, few of us really have faith in "the system" at this point...

It's important to remember that five weeks ago, when Dirk was murdered, the Fairfax county police told reporters that it would take 6 weeks for the autopsy reports to come back. They were waiting to see the results before making any arrests or charges because they felt Cara was not a flight risk. I don't really expect them to stick to their six week plan. It may take much longer... And it may never happen. We'll see.

If you want to follow this story, keep watching the news. I may post with an update when I hear something, but then again I may not. This forum is pretty negative and I am not really thrilled with the attitude of the regulars here. Have a nice life, and have fun making fun of everything I wrote.

Peace.
-One of Dirk's Many Friends.

The FFXU death threads are the best! We got this sick goth fucker, the stupid Mexican kid, dumb cunt twins, suicide boy... it's better than TV!

anony Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Dear Taylor,
>
> You just can't give this thread up, can you? Seems
> like your life must revolve around this forum.
> It's pretty silly to assume that since Dirk's
> friends have stopped caring because they stopped
> answering your attempts at trolling.
>
> The reality is that Dirk's friends, goths and
> non-goths alike (like me) still miss him very
> much. He is very much in our thoughts... His
> Facebook page still gets several comments a day
> from friends, just saying they miss him, or they
> dreamed of him (go ahead and make fun of this...
> It's not like the dead check their Facebook page).
> A couple weeks ago one of the clubs he frequented
> had a special Dirk tribute at their St Patty's Day
> party. We all remember Dirk, we all still love
> him, and we're all waiting to hear something from
> the police. Hopefully we'll hear that Cara Cottle
> has been charged with murder. However, few of us
> really have faith in "the system" at this
> point...
>
> It's important to remember that five weeks ago,
> when Dirk was murdered, the Fairfax county police
> told reporters that it would take 6 weeks for the
> autopsy reports to come back. They were waiting to
> see the results before making any arrests or
> charges because they felt Cara was not a flight
> risk. I don't really expect them to stick to their
> six week plan. It may take much longer... And it
> may never happen. We'll see.
>
> If you want to follow this story, keep watching
> the news. I may post with an update when I hear
> something, but then again I may not. This forum is
> pretty negative and I am not really thrilled with
> the attitude of the regulars here. Have a nice
> life, and have fun making fun of everything I
> wrote.
>
> Peace.
> -One of Dirk's Many Friends.



Anony, in fairness, I have never made ANY negative comments about Dirk OR any of the positive things that have been written about him in this thread. I have also not been "trolling". I can understand that you've read over the thread and lumped me into the Gen-Pop, but I think that if you look back, you'll find that my curiosity has always been genuine. True, I didn't know him, but the circumstances surrounding his death are strange enough that I have been curious as to the outcome of the case.

But I have not mocked anything that you or any of his friends have said. If he was a person that you cared about, then I don't blame you for being pissed, just make sure that you point it in the right direction.

It's amazing to me to see how negative people can act, just to make themselves feel lifted up by their own inferior lives. I had been friends with dirk 1/2 my life. He was a generous, witty and loving man. We gladly (friends) called him brother. I don't know 2 many people that would take their time, to listen to you, hug and love you as family.

zzzzzzzZzzzZzZzZzzzzzzzzzzzz

I did not know Dirk, but a good friend did (and has been devastated by his death), so I've been checking periodically for any news update. According to the Washington Post, Cara Cottle has been arrested:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/30/AR2010033002111.html

your good friend has been devistated why......no place to party for free......

Accorting to the post:

"Smiler, 37, was an avowed hedonist, a Goth and a fixture in the D.C. nightclub scene"

One less avowed hedonist, goth, nightclub fixture on this earth is bad why?

"his warm, inviting nature and his extensive feats of seduction are legendary."

"Cottle then ran upstairs, naked and covered in blood, and screamed that Smiler was dead, according to witnesses and police."

He raped her?

Naked+Blood+Screaming+Dude missing his head from a shotgun blast. Sounds like a typical goth party to me.

Look, I'm not into the goth scene and neither, for that matter, is my friend. How she knew him, I don't know. I simply know that his death was very difficult for her to deal with. I'm obviously a little less judgmental about things and people I know nothing about than some assholes on here. I just passed along an update.

> Blah blah blah

All this is hearsay. If you're trying to make an argument that anyone deserves to be shot by their pseudo-spousal unit, you're ignoring the fact that murder is illegal in this country. For any reason.

As to Dirk's character - none of that matters. He is deceased. The only testimony that matters is the testimony that suggests he forced her hand. This should be established during the discovery phase of the investigation.

As to Cara's character - she is defending her freedom in court. What will matter in court is data that can be proved, and testimony as to her character, good or otherwise. Her military record and criminal record will be reviewed. (Curious that someone here did a background search of the victim, but not the assailant...)

Obviously, she was not well liked. But that will not lead to a conviction. What is required is FACTS. The detectives evidence, her testimony, and cross examination of the witnesses, all of whom will be coached by lawyers. She will not likely be given a death sentence, nor will she spend the remainder of her life in jail. Historically, only one woman was ever put to death in Virginia, and that was in 1912.

Some ringside speculation:

Given that Ms. Cottle has secured a highly rated lawyer, it is unlikely that she will plead guilty at her arraignment. There is no question as to her as the "murderess", unless the witnesses change their story about what she said.

In such a case, I would think she would aim for a reduced sentence - there is a big difference between Murder 1 and manslaughter. I doubt she will go completely unpunished.

Further, her defense may be "self-defense", "unintentional" (manslaughter), or that she has a serious mental defect such as schizophrenia, psychosis, or dementia. In the case of mental illness, it would have to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that she had no idea that what she was doing was wrong. More likely, the "diminished capacity" defense might be used if that is allowed in Virginia courts.

She's not going for the mental defect (too hard to pull off these days). She's going for self defense, which is such a crock of shit.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/31/AR2010033102109.html?sid=ST2010033002114

As Erica already wrote, Cara LIKED rough sex... REALLY rough sex. Any marks on her neck would be there because she asked for it (I mean that quite literally). It's going to be hard for her to prove that he attacked her. There's probably dozens of people who could testify she liked auto-erotic asphyxiation and being on bottom of BDSM.

And then there's the issue of establishing character... She doesn't even have visitation right to see her own kids. Rumor has it that she was convicted of assaulting her own husband. That's right - A history of domestic violence.

There's also the small issue of her being quoted in the Washington City Paper as saying "He told me to do it" when she ran out of the room. Oh, and of course the part where she writes "I love u Dirk, but sometimes I want to kill u" on her facebook page the day before she shot him in "self defense".

Cara Cottle is loud, aggressive and stupid. She's going to get stuck in her own web of stupidity, violence and lies.

http://www2.insidenova.com/isn/news/crime/article/manassas_woman_charged_with_killing_boyfriend/54830/#comments

don't mean to be so retard. cut and pasting is not my thing. It wasa a good picture and worth the coping.

From the Washington Post

"Until she was arrested, Cottle worked for almost two years as a production manager for conservative fundraiser Richard Viguerie, who rose to prominence in the 1980s with his direct-mail fundraising for Ronald Reagan. He was recently credited by Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli II (R) with providing crucial help for his election victory.

Cottle's mother, Viola Shields, is listed as vice president of administration for Viguerie's American Target Advertising in Manassas, and she and Mark J. Fitzgibbons, the company's president of corporate and legal affairs, attended Cottle's bond hearing."

Comment; one of Viguerie's clients is "Gun Owners of America." From their website; Gun Owners of America (GOA) is a non-profit lobbying organization formed in 1975 to preserve and defend the Second Amendment rights of gun owners. GOA sees firearms ownership as a freedom issue.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/01/2010 11:16AM by FUNdamental.

.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2010 12:38AM by inkahootz.

not ironic just concendence, i think...

juju Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> not ironic just concendence, i think...


What the hell does the word "Concendence" mean?

I think the words Incongruous or contradictory work well.

The act of conceding; concession. [Rare.] All I had to apprehend was that a daughter so reluctantly carried off would offer terms to her father, and would be accepted upon a mutual concedence: they to give up Solmes, she to give up me.
Richardson, Clarissa Harlowe, iii. 116. Fucking Idiot......

F*ing Duh! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The act of conceding; concession. All I had to
> apprehend was that a daughter so reluctantly
> carried off would offer terms to her father, and
> would be accepted upon a mutual concedence: they
> to give up Solmes, she to give up me.
> Richardson, Clarissa Harlowe, iii. 116. Fucking
> Idiot......

Then I believe you used the wrong word.

Ugh! I don't know exactly what I was expecting, but after all the talk about how Dirk was this incredible ladies man who romanced and bedded hundreds of women, I figured that his girlfriend would at least be SEMI-hot. This chick looks like she just crawled out from underneath a bridge. He died over fucking THIS CHICK?!?!?!? Dear lord. That's even MORE fucked up than the original story.
Attachments:

.
Attachments:

Pomplamoose Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Who fuckinn' cares?


He did, obviously. A little TOO much. I couldn't fuck that chick if I was drunk. I can't imagine living with her for a year and then letting her blow my head off. Angelina Jolie maybe, but THIS CHICK?????? No F-ing way.

Yeah, Angelina Jolie has nice blowjob lips. This bitch has nasty lips...and some kind of fucking growth on the side of her head.

Growth on her head???? I think its a piercing...idiot,! ya'll are cruel pepole!!

We are cruel? This psychotic bitch used a shotgun and blew the head clean off that nice gothic gentelman.

juju Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Growth on her head???? I think its a
> piercing...idiot,! ya'll are cruel pepole!!


A piercing on her cheekbone? Are you high? It's obviously some sort of evil, cancerous growth. And as far as us being "cruel", did anything that SHE did qualify as cruel in your opinion?

Yes a piercing on her cheek bone, its an implant piercing,very popular in the gothlic society, can be removed and a ball can be place there.Where the fuck have you been, underneath a rock. No i dont think she did anything cruel, i think she fought for her life.... and got to keep it. he grabbed the gun. he fired it...........right through his own skull...........end of story

fukit Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yes a piercing on her cheek bone, its an implant
> piercing,very popular in the gothlic society, can
> be removed and a ball can be place there.Where the
> fuck have you been, underneath a rock. No i dont
> think she did anything cruel, i think she fought
> for her life.... and got to keep it. he grabbed
> the gun. he fired it...........right through his
> own skull...........end of story

I guess I MUST have been under a rock in order to miss out on subdermal, cheek-piercings. Perhaps I'm just running with the wrong crowd. The really WEIRD thing is that the last time I was trying to untangle your mom's labial piercings from her overgrown and tangled thicket of pubic hair so I could bang her, I ASKED her SPECIFICALLY if there was anything "new" in the piercing world. She said "You'd have to ask my illegitimate, half-retard son, but I'm PRETTY SURE that there's nothing new."

What a bitch! I'm going to have to bang her in the ass next time I see her as punishment for being so dumb. Thank you though, for straightening it all out.

P.S. I'm not a fan of "Dirk's", but how do you "accidentally" shoot yourself in the forehead with a FUCKING LONG BARREL RIFLE? He would have had to "accidentally" pulled the trigger with his toes.

I guess ANYTHING'S possible, though. Just like your mom accidentally got pregnant and had you. :)

Taylor Wrote:
>
> I guess I MUST have been under a rock in order to
> miss out on subdermal, cheek-piercings. Perhaps
> I'm just running with the wrong crowd. The really
> WEIRD thing is that the last time I was trying to
> untangle your mom's labial piercings from her
> overgrown and tangled thicket of pubic hair so I
> could bang her, I ASKED her SPECIFICALLY if there
> was anything "new" in the piercing world. She said
> "You'd have to ask my illegitimate, half-retard
> son, but I'm PRETTY SURE that there's nothing
> new."
>
> What a bitch! I'm going to have to bang her in the
> ass next time I see her as punishment for being so
> dumb. Thank you though, for straightening it all
> out.
>
> P.S. I'm not a fan of "Dirk's", but how do you
> "accidentally" shoot yourself in the forehead with
> a FUCKING LONG BARREL RIFLE? He would have had to
> "accidentally" pulled the trigger with his toes.
>
> I guess ANYTHING'S possible, though. Just like
> your mom accidentally got pregnant and had you.
> :)

Labia piercing...she did away with that years ago, must be your sister! you got it all mixed up.. Its ok she will forgive you! HAHA,"HALF RETARDED SON? wHAT MAKES YOU SO SURE I AM A GUY? Sounds like your a little fucking punk who used "google" way to many times.you cant get under my skin but i would like for you to keep trying.....

fukit Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Labia piercing...she did away with that years
> ago, must be your sister! you got it all mixed
> up.. Its ok she will forgive you! HAHA,"HALF
> RETARDED SON? wHAT MAKES YOU SO SURE I AM A GUY?
> Sounds like your a little fucking punk who used
> "google" way to many times.you cant get under my
> skin but i would like for you to keep trying.....

Sure, I'm always up for a good laugh. Let's see, hmmmmmmmm.........Well, first of all, we could play a little guessing game. Between the grammatical errors, misspellings and omissions in punctuation, I count almost 27 errors in the space of what SHOULD have been a five sentence long post. Now THAT'S impressive, (even for a half-retard). What else? Well, you smell like a combination of week old urine that's been baking in an old coffee can underneath the scorching July sunshine, and the delicate aroma of a dead fish.

Your Mother told me that the ONLY reason that she hasn't thrown you out of the house yet is because you provide fully half of the family income by allowing her to qualify for a tax exempt status due to your mental retardation. Your girlfriend (if that's what you can call a chick that you met on-line playing WoW but haven't ever actually met) told me that you keep trying to show people your penis on chatroulette, but you log off every time they start laughing, and I'm actually your REAL father, I just bang your Mom every now and then in order to see how my "retard son" is doing. At first I wasn't sure how you could POSSIBLY be MY kid when my sperm is so pure and strong and you are so weak and cowardly. Then a Doctor told me that it was the VERY FIRST case in all of recorded medical history where a woman had gotten pregnant through anal sex.

Even though I was VERY careful to ONLY bang your Mom in the ass, apparently my sperm were SO DAMN POWERFUL, that they spent close to a MONTH tunneling through her anal cavity until they reached her uterus. The only reason that you were born a weak, stunty, little retard instead of a towering, Grecian God like me (again, your father), is because my sperm were almost completely exhausted from a months work (something that you and your lazy-ass, welfare mother wouldn't know about or understand). It's not that I feel responsible for you. It's really like checking to make sure that you aren't getting your stupid-ass into places that it shouldn't be (like outside the basement) and bothering innocent citizens, gives me a good excuse to bang your Mother again. (I don't know what it is about her that keeps me coming back. Maybe it's the fact that with no teeth, she can give me a MONSTER hummer!)

Taylor Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> fukit Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Labia piercing...she did away with that years
> > ago, must be your sister! you got it all mixed
> > up.. Its ok she will forgive you! HAHA,"HALF
> > RETARDED SON? wHAT MAKES YOU SO SURE I AM A
> GUY?
> > Sounds like your a little fucking punk who
> used
> > "google" way to many times.you cant get under
> my
> > skin but i would like for you to keep
> trying.....
>
> Sure, I'm always up for a good laugh. Let's see,
> hmmmmmmmm.........Well, first of all, we could
> play a little guessing game. Between the
> grammatical errors, misspellings and omissions in
> punctuation, I count almost 27 errors in the space
> of what SHOULD have been a five sentence long
> post. Now THAT'S impressive, (even for a
> half-retard). What else? Well, you smell like a
> combination of week old urine that's been baking
> in an old coffee can underneath the scorching July
> sunshine, and the delicate aroma of a dead fish.
>
> Your Mother told me that the ONLY reason that she
> hasn't thrown you out of the house yet is because
> you provide fully half of the family income by
> allowing her to qualify for a tax exempt status
> due to your mental retardation. Your girlfriend
> (if that's what you can call a chick that you met
> on-line playing WoW but haven't ever actually met)
> told me that you keep trying to show people your
> penis on chatroulette, but you log off every time
> they start laughing, and I'm actually your REAL
> father, I just bang your Mom every now and then in
> order to see how my "retard son" is doing. At
> first I wasn't sure how you could POSSIBLY be MY
> kid when my sperm is so pure and strong and you
> are so weak and cowardly. Then a Doctor told me
> that it was the VERY FIRST case in all of recorded
> medical history where a woman had gotten pregnant
> through anal sex.
>
> Even though I was VERY careful to ONLY bang your
> Mom in the ass, apparently my sperm were SO DAMN
> POWERFUL, that they spent close to a MONTH
> tunneling through her anal cavity until they
> reached her uterus. The only reason that you were
> born a weak, stunty, little retard instead of a
> towering, Grecian God like me (again, your
> father), is because my sperm were almost
> completely exhausted from a months work (something
> that you and your lazy-ass, welfare mother
> wouldn't know about or understand). It's not that
> I feel responsible for you. It's really like
> checking to make sure that you aren't getting your
> stupid-ass into places that it shouldn't be (like
> outside the basement) and bothering innocent
> citizens, gives me a good excuse to bang your
> Mother again. (I don't know what it is about her
> that keeps me coming back. Maybe it's the fact
> that with no teeth, she can give me a MONSTER
> hummer!)


A real heat warming story of family togetherness and mutual respect. It was a lovely story, and you told it so well...with such enthusiasm!

A piercing in her cheek bone? What, were you born yesterday? It's a fucking witch-mole, ya retard.

anono Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> A piercing in her cheek bone? What, were you born
> yesterday? It's a fucking witch-mole, ya retard.

Nope its a piercing! ZOOM my friend, its there

its ugly either way.

"Here's a quarter. Go downtown and have a rat gnaw that thing off your face."

-Uncle Buck

Piercings are removed when they book you. I don't think they'd let her keep piercings in for a mug shot photo.

--------------------------------------------------------------
13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

MrMephisto Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Piercings are removed when they book you. I don't
> think they'd let her keep piercings in for a mug
> shot photo.


Ok but they let her keep her street clothes on? Gimme a break, have you ever been arested? they dont wait to take your picture like a glamour shot. They just take it.
Who cares anyways? I'll go with the last guys post about the rat chewing what ever it is off! kudos!

Man, she is one ugly bitch. Not even after a keg of beer would I do her.

Feezer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Man, she is one ugly bitch. Not even after a keg
> of beer would I do her.

now imagine her in a skimpy bondage outfit rubbing up on your girlfriend and trying to act sexy. this is waht you had to put up with around her.

That thing on her face is nasty. I bet it has hairs growing out of it too.

How can a piercing grow hair?

ugh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Feezer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Man, she is one ugly bitch. Not even after a
> keg
> > of beer would I do her.
>
> now imagine her in a skimpy bondage outfit rubbing
> up on your girlfriend and trying to act sexy. this
> is waht you had to put up with around her.


Don't forget the screeching voice... Like nails on chalk.

WOW. YOU know her well i take it! Was it your girlfriend she hit on and your pist? To bad so sad......

Is she out on bail? She RSVPed as maybe on facebook to be at Bound this Friday. She still has her and Dirk on her profile pic. Unless someone set up a profile to look like hers, but I know they both went to those kinds of events. I will have to be extra careful to avoid her. Also got a crazy x (fling) that might be there. Man these events really bring out all the freaks.

question? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Is she out on bail? She RSVPed as maybe on
> facebook to be at Bound this Friday. She still has
> her and Dirk on her profile pic. Unless someone
> set up a profile to look like hers, but I know
> they both went to those kinds of events. I will
> have to be extra careful to avoid her. Also got a
> crazy x (fling) that might be there. Man these
> events really bring out all the freaks.


What a stupid question!

Ugh, wasn't she free and not even charged for a while? Not all of us follow the news every second of the day.

>What a stupid question!

I have been a member of the local goth/fetish community for many years. I knew Dirk for more than 5 years. He was a flamboyant,educated, witty gourmand of life. Like all people he had strengths and weaknesses. Since I was not his priest, lover, psychiatrist, or lawyer, I cannot hope to analyze his life and habits or his effect on anyone but me and the folks I observed in his life. He was an interesting, interesting person with flaws and gifts.

The only thing I can say about this thread is that it's a damn shame that anyone dies this way and the news threads that follow become public fora for so many people who have so few facts, personal knowledge of the victim (yes - victim) or respect for the grief of those who read this. Everyone is entitled to their two cents but it's a shame that some of the comments I have read tonight stray so far from the facts. Dirk (regardless of personality or history) is dead. What a DAMN SHAME!

It's a shame that some of the previous posters obviously have no knowledge of what they misspeak.

Who's got the picture of Gothapotimus????

---------------------------------------------------
W.W.S.D. what would Scooby Doo

graymoose1 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Who's got the picture of Gothapotimus????


u mean ur wife's portrait?

hahahahaha, boy you sure got me on that one

---------------------------------------------------
W.W.S.D. what would Scooby Doo

graymoose1 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> hahahahaha, boy you sure got me on that one


I know

I wish this thread would fucking die already. By now, I imagine our dead goth friend is decomposing quite nicely. Sort of the ultimate look for a goth dude, eh?

Shouldn't it say "You're lucky it's on a leash.", not "Be lucky it's on a leash."?

Taylor Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Shouldn't it say "You're lucky it's on a leash.",
> not "Be lucky it's on a leash."?

the internet is no place for proper grammar.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Taylor Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Shouldn't it say "You're lucky it's on a
> leash.",
> > not "Be lucky it's on a leash."?
>
> the internet is no place for proper grammar.


Shouldn't it say "Dar inter-webs RNT n0 pl8c fur props gr4mm@r. Lol, rotflmao, PWNED!!!!! N00b!"?

Just saw this in the Washington Post ... I guess it came out late yesterday afternoon.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/fairfax/smiler-murder-case-sent-to-fai.html?hpid=newswell

He sounds like a loser. IF he had been with his kids instead of banging whores, he'd be alive. One less idiot in the world. Good riddence.

Somebody did not like him..

From the article:

In the preliminary hearing for Cara Cottle, 31, evidence from Smiler’s autopsy revealed that he had gunpowder residue and “stippling” on one of his hands, indicating that his hand was near the muzzle of the long rifle which killed him. Defense attorney Peter D. Greenspun said marks on Cottle’s neck indicate that Smiler was choking her when the gun went off during a struggle.


I guess he wasn't as nice behind closed doors as he was in front of the goth scum that put him on a pedestal.

I bet her attorney gets her free on some sort of self-defense basis.

does anyone know what happened with this?

He's still dead, she's still crazy.

--------------------------------------------------------------
13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

We're all still better off

Whatever happened with this? Did the chick get sentenced?

The trial was scheduled for November 1st, but it's been delayed at the quest of the accused murder's attorney until after the New Year... It's scheduled to start 11 months after Dirk was murdered. Cara is still out on bail.

"Peter D. Greenspun, Cottle’s lawyer and a prominent defense attorney in Virginia, said today that he requested the delay because of a capital murder case he is working on that should “go right up to or over top of†the Jan. 10 start date."

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/general/2010/10/05/cara-cottle-trial-delayed-until-january/

Those close to the case expect further delays from the defense.

Taylor Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Whatever happened with this? Did the chick get
> sentenced?


The skeleton has been stripped free of flesh by worms and maggots.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/25/2010 11:24AM by 496.

"The trial of Caralee Cottle, who is accused of the second-degree murder of noted area goth Dirk Smiler...

Really?

--------------------------------------------------------------
13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

Rest in Peace

So what ever happened to this? How does someone kill the "Goth King" and it never even goes to trial? No mention of anything about this in close to a year. Just curious.

Wash Post today:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/tom-jackman/a-fairfax-county-woman-entered.html?hpid=newswell

Nathan "Dirk" Smiler, 37, lived with his girlfriend, Cara Cottle, in a rented house on Little River Turnpike in the Annandale area. Prosecutors said Cottle, 32, a former Marine, shot Smiler once in the head with a bolt-action rifle on Feb. 15, 2010, killing him instantly in their basement bedroom.

Facing a murder trial on Monday, Cottle and her attorney, Peter D. Greenspun, negotiated a plea deal with prosecutors to reduce the charge to involuntary manslaughter. Cottle would then enter an "Alford plea," in which a defendant doesn't admit guilt but acknowledges that prosecutors have enough evidence for a conviction. The plea has the same effect as a guilty plea.

Cottle entered her Alford plea before Fairfax Circuit Court Judge Michael F. Devine Monday morning. But after Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney Mark Sullivan gave a summary of the shooting, Greenspun launched a more detailed version of events, to include tape-recorded statements by witnesses.

....... more at the Post

She's looking at probation to six months in prison for killing a man. Someone in the comments section made a good point:

This is bs, she didn't know it was loaded?!! Drug dealer with small quantities of drugs faces 3-9, murder suspended sentence.

Domestic abusers take note! You can kill your partner or spouse as long as you call the police immediately after and say you didn't know the gun was loaded, all for just six months in prison at most.

--------------------------------------------------------------
13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

She's a Marine. She should know better than that.

Ooops, now they're saying that she withdrew her plea because the Judge wouldn't agree to only sentencing her to supervised probation.

Ooops again, she didn't want probation, she wants a future dismissal of ALL charges.

you all are pretty ignorant of the law...first of all, the plea was already accepted today. this means that the ballistics and forensics didn't warrant conviction on a more serious charge, otherweise the prosecutors wouldn't have made he offer. the hearing was postponed because the prosecution didn't expect greenspun to pursue the sis. i understand that people are hurt but if cara had murdered dirk in cold blood she would be going to trial.

none of your business Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> you all are pretty ignorant of the law...first of
> all, the plea was already accepted today. this
> means that the ballistics and forensics didn't
> warrant conviction on a more serious charge,
> otherweise the prosecutors wouldn't have made he
> offer. the hearing was postponed because the
> prosecution didn't expect greenspun to pursue the
> sis. i understand that people are hurt but if
> cara had murdered dirk in cold blood she would be
> going to trial.


Cara???? Is that you? You sneaky little minx! So, if you didn't murder him in cold blood, did you murder him bathed in steamy-hot blood?

Do tell us the final moments that led up to the "accident". Inquiring minds want to know :P

anony Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The trial was scheduled for November 1st, but it's
> been delayed at the quest of the accused murder's
> attorney until after the New Year... It's
> scheduled to start 11 months after Dirk was
> murdered. Cara is still out on bail.
>
> "Peter D. Greenspun, Cottle’s lawyer and a
> prominent defense attorney in Virginia, said today
> that he requested the delay because of a capital
> murder case he is working on that should “go
> right up to or over top of†the Jan. 10
> start date."
>
> http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/
> general/2010/10/05/cara-cottle-trial-delayed-until
> -january/
>
> Those close to the case expect further delays from
> the defense.


Taylor,
You are a fucking moron.
It is simple.
The forensic and ballistic evidence showed that it was not murder but in fact an accident.
Cara may be a fucked up individual and have all kinds of issues, but she did not murder that piece of shit deadbeat dad.

I'm not sure why this is such a big deal. "Shooting in Annandale" is akin to "squirrels in Clifton."

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

Silva Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Taylor,
> You are a fucking moron.
> It is simple.
> The forensic and ballistic evidence showed that it
> was not murder but in fact an accident.
> Cara may be a fucked up individual and have all
> kinds of issues, but she did not murder that piece
> of shit deadbeat dad.


No, it means they can't prove more because it's her word against a dead guy's. The ballistics and forensics evidence apparently indicate exactly what she said: she shot him in the head. What's in question is how and why, and there were only two people there.

Silva Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Taylor,
> You are a fucking moron.
> It is simple.
> The forensic and ballistic evidence showed that it
> was not murder but in fact an accident.
> Cara may be a fucked up individual and have all
> kinds of issues, but she did not murder that piece
> of shit deadbeat dad.

I think I read somewhere that there was gunpowder residue on his hand, indicating that he had his hand on the barrel at the time he was shot. But, so what? Even if he was doing something stupid like grabbing the barrel of a loaded gun and pointing it at his head, who had their finger on the trigger?

Oh, right. It was the person with Marine training who apparently skipped class on the day they teach you to not put your finger on the trigger until you're ready to pull it. That's on the NRA's second rule of gun safety, so it's easy to understand how someone with professional military training could forget it.

--------------------------------------------------------------
13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

Yeah, lol, the forensics and ballistics simply indicate that she shot him in the head at close range. What the tests don't show is WHY she shot him in the head. That part comes down to her story. So it's a "she said, he said", except that the Goth king can't say ANYTHING since he's rotting in a box somewhere. (Although if he was REALLY the "Goth King", I would have expected him to speak out from the grave. I'm a little disappointed actually.)

Furthermore, add in the fact that before the Goth king, her husband died in a mysterious "accident" that was deemed suspicious but without enough evidence to convict her, and we start seeing a pattern. Cara Cottle, "The Manasas Black Widow"! I like it.

I know a lot of people affected by this, and I know a lot of people were affected by this, so I've been trying to be at least a little civil about it. However, it's a recurring theme in every thread on here about someone who died; someone does something stupid, then other people want to call it an "accident" to absolve the guilty party of all blame.

An "accident" is an unfortunate incident that happens to someone without cause or provocation. For example, the person who hits someone while driving drunk did not have an accident; the person the drunk driver hit had an accident. Of course, accidents can happen to anyone. This particular scenario can only happen to people who pull the trigger of a loaded rifle that's aimed at another person's head.

I liked Dirk (the little that I knew him), but my personal opinions aside... the chick that shot him had an "accident" the same way the kid who brought a golf club to a pre-planned fight and ended up getting stabbed had an "accident."

--------------------------------------------------------------
13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

I can't believe that there are so many trolls out there who have nothing better to do than bash people who they did not know.... Oh wait... We're in America.

I also know, that unless anyone who posted here was at the court appearances they would have no real knowledge of the proceedings because they need this to stay on the down low. If a jury becomes too "educated" they will develop a bias. Which would lead to a mistrial.

So as unfortunate as it is, those of us who knew Dirk even in passing have to stick to the legitimate sources. And just wait patiently for a guilty sentencing, that we all believe she deserves; and have to endure the blind sheep who routinely try to get a rise out of us. I don't think I need names here. >:[

We have to wait until June...

Is he still wormfood?

-------------------------------------------------
“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”

Mullet Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I can't believe that there are so many trolls out
> there who have nothing better to do than bash
> people who they did not know.... Oh wait... We're
> in America.



Yes, Mullet, we're in America. You know, the land that allows people like you and Dirk to express yourselves without locking you up in a gulag somewhere or executing you. Rejects like you should get down on your knees and thank Odin or Wicca or whomever you worship, that you are fortunate enough to live here. America didn't kill Dirk, one of your other drugged out, freak friends did.


Not a sermon, just a thought. :)

BEHIND on child support payments doesn't begin to explain it. He sent 1 check to his eldest daughter; ONE, and it wasn't even for the full ammount. But you know what? It doesn't matter. He was may have been a deadbeat dad, but he was still a man. We are NOT better off without him. His daughters are NOT better off without him. We are mourning him. It was my family that picked up the tab when he didn't pay child support to his eldest daughter. I am the one who watched her for years for free because he wasn't paying his part. I am the one who had to help feed her and put shoes on her feet and clothes on her back. You don't get to stand in judgement of whether or not he deserved to die. He was a man, flawed, but a man. I take it as a personal affront that you can stand back and judge a man for sins against us that we're forgiving.

Fisting was the cause. He was fisting and KaBoom the
(un)loaded gun went off.

Sad but true, The moral of the story is don't drink and fist without the gun safety on.

Lis Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> BEHIND on child support payments doesn't begin to
> explain it...

Don't sweat what some people say here, Lis. They are getting off on offending you. You have done and are doing good.

There's gonna be a "goth riot", huh? that explains why no one posts on his "memorial" facebook pages anymore. dirk was a trend and his time has been up for a long time - and it's about fucking time. i do think as a former marine cara knew there was a bullet in the chamber but i also believe she called his bluff - he was a fuckin drama queen and absolutely the type of person to say "i dare you to pull the trigger." he was also the type of person to fuck underage girls with no second thoughts while he was in his late 20s/early 30s. it's fun to glamorize him as a "hedonist," thanks washington post, but hedonism shouldn't equal statutory rape. i pray that his ignored children are able to have a better existence without him, because heaven knows he did nothing for them here.

should be back in court today, will have to see what (if anything) comes from the hearing

Caralee Cottle received a seven-year jail sentence on a charge of involuntary manslaughter in the death of notable local goth figure Dirk Smiler today in a Fairfax Country courtroom, following a dramatic and emotional two-hour hearing. Judge Michael F. Devine, who issued the ruling, suspended three and a half years of the jail sentence

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/general/2011/06/03/cottle-will-serve-3-5-years-for-death-of-dirk-smiler/

Amazing, she put a gun to his head, pulled the trigger, and got manslaughter?

Oh, so you were in the room with the two of them and you saw what happened?

Amazing, too bad you weren't interviewed by the police because apparently you know more about the case than they or the lawyers did.

Unless you were THERE then you don't know what happened, and unless you were in the courtroom and privy to all the information that the judge and the lawyers had then STFU with your armchair legal reasoning.

Was it fair? I have no idea because I wasn't there and I don't know what happened and I didn't attend the trial to hear any of it.

And maybe, just maybe 3.5 years in jail is punishment enough, it isn't going to bring the goth back (despite all the vampire impersonations) and her life is pretty much f'ed up now (if it wasn't before) - hopefully his friends can let go of the hate and move on, and maybe she can get some therapy and become a better person.

Yeah, I know, and unicorns will fly out of my butt, i know, i know - but hey, that is what the justice system is supposed to be about.

let's move on now, this is over and done with, time to bury this topic for once and for all

The greatest tragedy is that such a uber-hot chick will be off the market for the next 3.5 years.

Neighbor Lady Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Amazing, she put a gun to his head, pulled the
> trigger, and got manslaughter?


That's what the Fairfax County Police agreed to as a plea bargain deal. Seems like they didn't want to put in the extra work to make a case for murder since she hired a high-profile expensive lawyer.

Glad I don't live in your neighborhood...

let it rest

First: all you "people" (and I use that term lightly) who say that it's not a big deal and no one cares, or that he got what he deserved--Well no one cares or will when it's your loved ones either.
Second: when it does happen to your friends and family--I hope I'm there to gloat about it and tell you what kind trash they were.
Third: I keep hearing about gunpowder residue on his hands, and how he put the gun to his own head--But I can tell you, if someone pointed that Mauser rifle to my head, I would have grabbed that barrell too, especially if it were loaded, so does that mean I aimed there myself.
Fourth: for those of you who say we're all better off--Yes we will be once you and all your loved ones go the way of the Dodo bird.
And Finally: if this Taylor guy thinks she's so great and hot--I hope he's her next boyfriend.

I knew Dirk for more than 20 years. He was nothing but; giving, kind, hilarious, recited mine and other's favorite quotes from many movies, books, and quips.
Dirk lived in Gaithersburg, Md, very close to where I lived (with my roommates) before he moved to VA. So, I saw him often, he would come over, offer a huge bear hug and an equally huge smile.
He'd 'change his hat', metaphorically and physically. Dirk owned many wonderful, and unique flambouyant hats, cloaks, scarves, large fans, and many other crazy (in a good way) adornments and embelishments. Enought to inspire many of us in our alternative and comfortable 'scene'.
He would recite, from memeory, Shakepheare, Poe, my personal favorite quote from a series that aired on MTV's 'Liquid Television' back in the day.
Everytime I go out, I think, in fact, I know he must be around. It's surreal and terribly sad. A waste on someone so unique, loving, always ready to cheer a friend who is down.
I am Catholic and feel, maybe, 'The Dude Upstairs' wanted to have Dirk by his side. I miss him all the time. Our trust of each other, especially.
Attachments:

ive known the girl since we were little children and we dated for a time then as we are dating now! she likes men to beat her she knows how to push buttons and shed make you strangle her but shes a killer under the sheets and i love her!

When is it cool to refer to someone as “goth” versus “emo?”
I also find goth sexxxy.
I went to a black cat show and there was a vampire/goth show in the basement.
Lots of sexxxy bitches.
I am so horny now