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new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
ShockedMicrobe
()
Date: February 13, 2007 03:22AM
Apparently there's going to be a new law banning driving in left lane
on interstates(including Dulles Toll Road, I-66, I-495, I-395, I-81, I-95, etc)
Unless you're passing another vehicle, the police can pull you over and give
you a $250 ticket.
According to WJLA TV:
http://dynamic.wjla.com/watchvideo.hrb?s=wjla&id=1170
I'm curious as to why a major news like this was not picked up by other
news media around here.
on interstates(including Dulles Toll Road, I-66, I-495, I-395, I-81, I-95, etc)
Unless you're passing another vehicle, the police can pull you over and give
you a $250 ticket.
According to WJLA TV:
http://dynamic.wjla.com/watchvideo.hrb?s=wjla&id=1170
I'm curious as to why a major news like this was not picked up by other
news media around here.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
RESton Peace
()
Date: February 13, 2007 03:34AM
"Apparently there's going to be a new law banning driving in left lane"
Allow me to take you through the Democratic process for our fine state, since you have apparently come to the conclusion that proposed legislation is as good as final:
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Drafting &
Introducing
a Bill In Virginia
A General Assembly member tells the staff of the Division of Legislative Services (DLS) what needs to be accomplished by the proposed legislation. The DLS staff checks existing law and the constitutionality of the proposed legislation. A bill is drafted (written) and given to the member for introduction.
The member who introduces a piece of legislation is called the patron or sponsor. The patron is responsible for guiding his or her legislation through both houses. Members or members-elect may introduce legislation in accordance with the Code of Virginia and the schedule for the conduct of business established by the General Assembly.
A procedural resolution that establishes the schedule for the conduct of business for each session is agreed to by both houses at the beginning of each session. This schedule sets certain deadlines for the introduction and consideration of legislation throughout the legislative process.
Current law allows members to prefile bills with the Clerk of their respective body no earlier than sixty days before the beginning of a session in an even-numbered year (such as 1996, 1998, etc.), but bills may be prefiled up to 180 days prior to the beginning of a session in an odd-numbered year (such as 1997, 1999, etc.). According to the Code of Virginia, bills relating to charters, claims, tax-exempt property, additional expenditures by localities, retail sales and use tax exemption, the Virginia Retirement System, or those having a fiscal impact on the Department of Corrections must be introduced no later than the first calendar day of any session, unless otherwise specified.
Bill Referred to Committee
A committee is a group of legislators organized for the purpose of considering and deciding upon the disposition of a bill or resolution.
In the House of Delegates
Upon introduction, the Clerk of the House of Delegates assigns a number for each bill and sends the legislation to the Speaker of the House. The Speaker refers the bill to a committee. It is ordered to be printed and the original bill is delivered to the committee clerk. The members of the 20 standing committees are appointed by the Speaker of the House of Delegates and have from 5 to 22 members.
In the Senate
The bill is assigned a number by the Clerk of the Senate, who refers it to a committee. The Rules of the Senate specify the subject areas to be considered by each committee. For example, a bill relating to the inspection of motor vehicles would be referred to the Committee on Transportation, and after the bill has been referred, it is printed and the original bill is delivered to the committee clerk. There are 11 committees in the Senate and all have 15 members, except the Finance Committee which has 17 members. Committee members are elected to each committee by the Senate at the time the Senate organizes every four years.
Committee
Meeting/Action
Committee Meeting
The committee system is an integral part of the legislative process. The committee meets to hear reasons why the bill should be reported to the Senate or the House of Delegates. The patron is usually the first to speak. The public also has an opportunity to voice support or opposition to a bill. Any citizen of the Commonwealth has the right to attend a committee meeting and speak about legislation.
In conducting business, standing committees are governed by the rules of their respective body. The list of bills assigned to the committee is called the docket. The chairman of the committee determines which bills on the docket will be considered at its meeting.
Committee Action
After the committee hears the patron and any other witnesses, the committee has several options when the chairman calls for a vote. One of the following actions may be taken and recorded by the committee clerk:
1. Report: The majority of the committee approves of the bill and it is reported to the floor. The bill may be reported 1) without amendment, 2) with amendment(s), or 3) with an amendment in the nature of a substitute. A bill may also be reported and referred to another committee using this method.
2. Pass by Indefinitely (PBI): This action allows the committee to reconsider the legislation prior to the deadline established by the procedural resolution that sets the schedule for consideration of bills.
3. Defeat: The committee rejects a motion to report the bill, and there is no further action by the committee.
4. Continue/Carry Over: A bill introduced in an even-numbered year session may be continued or carried over to an odd-numbered year session for further action or study during the interim. A carry-over bill retains its assigned bill number in the odd-numbered year session. A bill may not be continued or carried over from an odd-numbered year session to an even-numbered year session.
5. Pass by for the day: The committee is not ready to act on the bill. If the bill is not taken up before the deadline, then it is considered Left in Committee or No Action Taken.
6. No Action or Left in Committee: No motion is made on the bill and it dies at the time of the committee action deadline.
7. Incorporate into other Legislation: The bill is incorporated, or included into another bill through an amendment or a substitute. The bill may have similar language or duplicate language with the same intent.
First Reading
a Bill
The Virginia Constitution requires that the title of each bill be read three times or appear in the printed Calendar on three different days. Legislation reported from the Committees (Senate bills from Senate committees, House bills from House committees) appears on the Calendar under the category of Senate Bills on First Reading in the Senate or House Bills on First Reading in the House of Delegates.
To assist each body in conducting business, the Clerk publishes a Calendar for each day the body meets. The Calendar is a document listing the number and the title of each bill before the body. The bill numbers and titles are divided according to the reading which should take place during the session for that day, i.e. Third Reading, Second Reading, and First Reading. Since each body has different legislation before it, the Calendar for the House is not the same as the Calendar for the Senate.
House legislation, when first received by the Senate after passage in the House of Delegates, receives its first reading and is referred to the appropriate Senate committee. Likewise, Senate legislation, when received by the House of Delegates after passage in the Senate, receives its first reading and is referred to the appropriate House committee.
Second Reading
For Senate legislation in the Senate or House legislation in the House of Delegates, the bill's second reading is also referred to as the "amendable stage." On this reading, committee amendments are usually taken up first and adopted or rejected by the body. Sometimes there are so many amendments to a bill that an "amendment in the nature of a substitute" is reported by the committee. After consideration of any committee amendment(s) or substitute(s), the body considers any floor amendment(s) or floor substitute(s) which may have been offered by a member of the body. At this point, debate is limited to discussion on the amendment(s) or substitute.
In the House of Delegates
When the House has House bills on second reading, the Clerk reads the title, and the House debates and votes on any amendment(s) or substitute(s). Following this, the House of Delegates debates the merits of each bill as it may be amended, and votes whether to engross the bill and advance it to third reading. If a bill fails to be engrossed and advanced to its third reading, the bill is defeated.
In the Senate
When the Senate has Senate bills on second reading, the Clerk reads the title of each bill, and the Senate debates and votes on any amendment(s) or substitute(s). The Senate then considers the motion to engross the bill and advance it to its third reading.
Votes on amendments or substitutes are usually voice votes. When the votes are close and the presiding officer, the President of the Senate or Speaker of the House of Delegates, cannot determine which side prevails, a division or a vote is taken.
After the consideration of any amendment(s) or substitute(s), a bill is ordered to be "engrossed" and advanced to its third reading. Engrossing means incorporating any amendment(s) which may have been adopted by the body. Once the amendments are adopted, the engrossed bill is printed. If the bill has no amendments, the bill, as introduced, becomes the engrossed bill. If the body adopts a "substitute," the substitute becomes the engrossed bill. There is no further printing, unless a floor subsitute is adopted.
Legislation of the other body, i.e. House bills in the Senate or Senate bills in the House of Delegates, is not considered amendable on second reading. This legislation, having been reported from a committee, is listed in the Calendar the next day. Committee amendments are not shown in the Calendar until the legislation is on third reading. Debate on amendment(s) to legislation of the other body takes place on third reading.
Third Reading
The Constitution requires that for a bill to become law there should be a recorded vote on the passage of the legislation. This means that every legislator who voted on the question: "Shall the bill pass?" is shown in the public record as voting "Yea", "Nay", or "Abstain" pursuant to the rules of each body and the laws of the Commonwealth.
In the House of Delegates
On votes on passage in the House, members vote "Yea" if they are in support of a bill and "Nay" if they are against a bill. If a member wants to "abstain", he invokes or "votes" Rule 69 indicating that he is present for the vote but has a specific, personal interest in the outcome of the bill.
In the Senate
The merits of the bill are debated by the Senate prior to voting. On the vote on passage members vote "Yea" if they are in support of the bill and "Nay" if they are against a bill. If a member wants to abstain, he invokes or "votes" Rule 36 indicating that he is present for the vote but has a specific, personal interest in the outcome of the bill.
Bill Communicated
to Other Body
for Approval
The Constitution of Virginia establishes a bicameral legislature that requires each body of the General Assembly to pass legislation in exactly the same form before it can be sent to the Governor to become law.
Upon passage of legislation, bills and the action taken regarding them are communicated to the other body. Usually, communications are delivered to the other house at the beginning of each day and contain all of the previous day's actions.
Senate legislation which is defeated on the floor of the Senate is not communicated to the House of Delegates. House legislation which is defeated on the floor of the House is not communicated to the Senate.
Legislation in
the Other Body
Legislation, when initially received by the other body, is read a first time and referred to the appropriate committee. If the committee reports the bill to the floor, it is on its second reading. When the bill is on third reading, any amendment(s) or substitute(s) will be considered, and the passage of the bill is debated and voted on.
If the other body also passes the bill without amendment(s), it is enrolled and communicated to the Governor, since it has passed both the House of Delegates and the Senate in the same form.
If a Senate bill is passed by the House of Delegates with amendment(s) or with a substitute, the bill and the changes must be communicated to the Senate, so that the Senate will be in a position to consider the changes proposed by the House. If the Senate agrees to the changes proposed by the House, the bill, with the changes, is enrolled and sent to the Governor. If the Senate does not agree to the changes, a Committee of Conference may be formed to resolve the differences between the House and the Senate. If a Committee of Conference is not formed, the bill fails to pass.
Conference
Committee
This is the process to resolve differences between the houses of the General Assembly when legislation is passed in different forms. Each Committee of Conference consists of an equal number of Senators and Delegates. If an agreement is reached, the terms of the agreement are reported to each body. If each house agrees to the report, the changes agreed to in the Committee of Conference are incorporated into the bill and the "compromise" bill is enrolled and sent to the Governor. If the Committee of Conference cannot agree or the report is rejected by either body, the bill dies.
Governor
For any bill presented, the Constitution of Virginia provides the Governor with three options: sign, veto, or offer amendments. The Governor may also veto one or more items in an appropriation bill. If the Governor does not act on a bill, it becomes law without his signature.
During the regular or special session, the Governor has seven days to act on bills presented to him. If there are fewer than seven days remaining in the General Assembly session, or if the General Assembly has adjourned, the Governor has thirty days after adjournment to act on bills.
If the Governor recommends amendments to or vetoes a bill, and the General Assembly is still in session, the General Assembly can consider the Governor's action.
When the General Assembly receives recommended amendments or vetoed legislation from the Governor, it is sent to the house of origin, i.e. House bills are sent to the House of Delegates and Senate bills are sent to the Senate. There are various constitutional options available to the General Assembly:
A. The Governor's amendments can be agreed to or rejected. If the amendments are agreed to by both houses, the amended bill is reenrolled and becomes law. Governor's amendments may be rejected and the original bill sent back to the Governor where it may be signed as originally presented or vetoed. The house of origin, having rejected a Governor's amendment, can pass the bill as originally presented to the Governor by a vote of two-thirds of the members of each body.
B. The Governor must submit amendments in a form that allows the General Assembly to act on each amendment individually. The General Assembly may accept or reject part of the amendments. The bill is then returned to the Governor with the amendments agreed to by the General Assembly. The Governor may approve or veto the bill as amended. If the Governor does not act, the bill will become law without his signature.
C. If either house of the General Assembly determines that the Governor's amendments are not specific and severable (able to be acted upon individually), that house may refer the bill to committee and the bill will be treated as if it was just introduced. If the bill is then passed by the General Assembly, it is enrolled and sent back to the Governor for approval or veto.
D. The Governor's vetoes may be upheld or overridden. If the veto is upheld, the bill dies. The vote to override a Governor's veto requires a two-thirds vote of both the House of Delegates and the Senate.
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Nowhere in there does it say that a proposed bill will absolutely become a law. This bill is merely under consideration. Also, laws in VA do not become active until the July after which they are passed, so we have a while to worry about it even if it does.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2007 08:46AM by RESton Peace.
Allow me to take you through the Democratic process for our fine state, since you have apparently come to the conclusion that proposed legislation is as good as final:
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Drafting &
Introducing
a Bill In Virginia
A General Assembly member tells the staff of the Division of Legislative Services (DLS) what needs to be accomplished by the proposed legislation. The DLS staff checks existing law and the constitutionality of the proposed legislation. A bill is drafted (written) and given to the member for introduction.
The member who introduces a piece of legislation is called the patron or sponsor. The patron is responsible for guiding his or her legislation through both houses. Members or members-elect may introduce legislation in accordance with the Code of Virginia and the schedule for the conduct of business established by the General Assembly.
A procedural resolution that establishes the schedule for the conduct of business for each session is agreed to by both houses at the beginning of each session. This schedule sets certain deadlines for the introduction and consideration of legislation throughout the legislative process.
Current law allows members to prefile bills with the Clerk of their respective body no earlier than sixty days before the beginning of a session in an even-numbered year (such as 1996, 1998, etc.), but bills may be prefiled up to 180 days prior to the beginning of a session in an odd-numbered year (such as 1997, 1999, etc.). According to the Code of Virginia, bills relating to charters, claims, tax-exempt property, additional expenditures by localities, retail sales and use tax exemption, the Virginia Retirement System, or those having a fiscal impact on the Department of Corrections must be introduced no later than the first calendar day of any session, unless otherwise specified.
Bill Referred to Committee
A committee is a group of legislators organized for the purpose of considering and deciding upon the disposition of a bill or resolution.
In the House of Delegates
Upon introduction, the Clerk of the House of Delegates assigns a number for each bill and sends the legislation to the Speaker of the House. The Speaker refers the bill to a committee. It is ordered to be printed and the original bill is delivered to the committee clerk. The members of the 20 standing committees are appointed by the Speaker of the House of Delegates and have from 5 to 22 members.
In the Senate
The bill is assigned a number by the Clerk of the Senate, who refers it to a committee. The Rules of the Senate specify the subject areas to be considered by each committee. For example, a bill relating to the inspection of motor vehicles would be referred to the Committee on Transportation, and after the bill has been referred, it is printed and the original bill is delivered to the committee clerk. There are 11 committees in the Senate and all have 15 members, except the Finance Committee which has 17 members. Committee members are elected to each committee by the Senate at the time the Senate organizes every four years.
Committee
Meeting/Action
Committee Meeting
The committee system is an integral part of the legislative process. The committee meets to hear reasons why the bill should be reported to the Senate or the House of Delegates. The patron is usually the first to speak. The public also has an opportunity to voice support or opposition to a bill. Any citizen of the Commonwealth has the right to attend a committee meeting and speak about legislation.
In conducting business, standing committees are governed by the rules of their respective body. The list of bills assigned to the committee is called the docket. The chairman of the committee determines which bills on the docket will be considered at its meeting.
Committee Action
After the committee hears the patron and any other witnesses, the committee has several options when the chairman calls for a vote. One of the following actions may be taken and recorded by the committee clerk:
1. Report: The majority of the committee approves of the bill and it is reported to the floor. The bill may be reported 1) without amendment, 2) with amendment(s), or 3) with an amendment in the nature of a substitute. A bill may also be reported and referred to another committee using this method.
2. Pass by Indefinitely (PBI): This action allows the committee to reconsider the legislation prior to the deadline established by the procedural resolution that sets the schedule for consideration of bills.
3. Defeat: The committee rejects a motion to report the bill, and there is no further action by the committee.
4. Continue/Carry Over: A bill introduced in an even-numbered year session may be continued or carried over to an odd-numbered year session for further action or study during the interim. A carry-over bill retains its assigned bill number in the odd-numbered year session. A bill may not be continued or carried over from an odd-numbered year session to an even-numbered year session.
5. Pass by for the day: The committee is not ready to act on the bill. If the bill is not taken up before the deadline, then it is considered Left in Committee or No Action Taken.
6. No Action or Left in Committee: No motion is made on the bill and it dies at the time of the committee action deadline.
7. Incorporate into other Legislation: The bill is incorporated, or included into another bill through an amendment or a substitute. The bill may have similar language or duplicate language with the same intent.
First Reading
a Bill
The Virginia Constitution requires that the title of each bill be read three times or appear in the printed Calendar on three different days. Legislation reported from the Committees (Senate bills from Senate committees, House bills from House committees) appears on the Calendar under the category of Senate Bills on First Reading in the Senate or House Bills on First Reading in the House of Delegates.
To assist each body in conducting business, the Clerk publishes a Calendar for each day the body meets. The Calendar is a document listing the number and the title of each bill before the body. The bill numbers and titles are divided according to the reading which should take place during the session for that day, i.e. Third Reading, Second Reading, and First Reading. Since each body has different legislation before it, the Calendar for the House is not the same as the Calendar for the Senate.
House legislation, when first received by the Senate after passage in the House of Delegates, receives its first reading and is referred to the appropriate Senate committee. Likewise, Senate legislation, when received by the House of Delegates after passage in the Senate, receives its first reading and is referred to the appropriate House committee.
Second Reading
For Senate legislation in the Senate or House legislation in the House of Delegates, the bill's second reading is also referred to as the "amendable stage." On this reading, committee amendments are usually taken up first and adopted or rejected by the body. Sometimes there are so many amendments to a bill that an "amendment in the nature of a substitute" is reported by the committee. After consideration of any committee amendment(s) or substitute(s), the body considers any floor amendment(s) or floor substitute(s) which may have been offered by a member of the body. At this point, debate is limited to discussion on the amendment(s) or substitute.
In the House of Delegates
When the House has House bills on second reading, the Clerk reads the title, and the House debates and votes on any amendment(s) or substitute(s). Following this, the House of Delegates debates the merits of each bill as it may be amended, and votes whether to engross the bill and advance it to third reading. If a bill fails to be engrossed and advanced to its third reading, the bill is defeated.
In the Senate
When the Senate has Senate bills on second reading, the Clerk reads the title of each bill, and the Senate debates and votes on any amendment(s) or substitute(s). The Senate then considers the motion to engross the bill and advance it to its third reading.
Votes on amendments or substitutes are usually voice votes. When the votes are close and the presiding officer, the President of the Senate or Speaker of the House of Delegates, cannot determine which side prevails, a division or a vote is taken.
After the consideration of any amendment(s) or substitute(s), a bill is ordered to be "engrossed" and advanced to its third reading. Engrossing means incorporating any amendment(s) which may have been adopted by the body. Once the amendments are adopted, the engrossed bill is printed. If the bill has no amendments, the bill, as introduced, becomes the engrossed bill. If the body adopts a "substitute," the substitute becomes the engrossed bill. There is no further printing, unless a floor subsitute is adopted.
Legislation of the other body, i.e. House bills in the Senate or Senate bills in the House of Delegates, is not considered amendable on second reading. This legislation, having been reported from a committee, is listed in the Calendar the next day. Committee amendments are not shown in the Calendar until the legislation is on third reading. Debate on amendment(s) to legislation of the other body takes place on third reading.
Third Reading
The Constitution requires that for a bill to become law there should be a recorded vote on the passage of the legislation. This means that every legislator who voted on the question: "Shall the bill pass?" is shown in the public record as voting "Yea", "Nay", or "Abstain" pursuant to the rules of each body and the laws of the Commonwealth.
In the House of Delegates
On votes on passage in the House, members vote "Yea" if they are in support of a bill and "Nay" if they are against a bill. If a member wants to "abstain", he invokes or "votes" Rule 69 indicating that he is present for the vote but has a specific, personal interest in the outcome of the bill.
In the Senate
The merits of the bill are debated by the Senate prior to voting. On the vote on passage members vote "Yea" if they are in support of the bill and "Nay" if they are against a bill. If a member wants to abstain, he invokes or "votes" Rule 36 indicating that he is present for the vote but has a specific, personal interest in the outcome of the bill.
Bill Communicated
to Other Body
for Approval
The Constitution of Virginia establishes a bicameral legislature that requires each body of the General Assembly to pass legislation in exactly the same form before it can be sent to the Governor to become law.
Upon passage of legislation, bills and the action taken regarding them are communicated to the other body. Usually, communications are delivered to the other house at the beginning of each day and contain all of the previous day's actions.
Senate legislation which is defeated on the floor of the Senate is not communicated to the House of Delegates. House legislation which is defeated on the floor of the House is not communicated to the Senate.
Legislation in
the Other Body
Legislation, when initially received by the other body, is read a first time and referred to the appropriate committee. If the committee reports the bill to the floor, it is on its second reading. When the bill is on third reading, any amendment(s) or substitute(s) will be considered, and the passage of the bill is debated and voted on.
If the other body also passes the bill without amendment(s), it is enrolled and communicated to the Governor, since it has passed both the House of Delegates and the Senate in the same form.
If a Senate bill is passed by the House of Delegates with amendment(s) or with a substitute, the bill and the changes must be communicated to the Senate, so that the Senate will be in a position to consider the changes proposed by the House. If the Senate agrees to the changes proposed by the House, the bill, with the changes, is enrolled and sent to the Governor. If the Senate does not agree to the changes, a Committee of Conference may be formed to resolve the differences between the House and the Senate. If a Committee of Conference is not formed, the bill fails to pass.
Conference
Committee
This is the process to resolve differences between the houses of the General Assembly when legislation is passed in different forms. Each Committee of Conference consists of an equal number of Senators and Delegates. If an agreement is reached, the terms of the agreement are reported to each body. If each house agrees to the report, the changes agreed to in the Committee of Conference are incorporated into the bill and the "compromise" bill is enrolled and sent to the Governor. If the Committee of Conference cannot agree or the report is rejected by either body, the bill dies.
Governor
For any bill presented, the Constitution of Virginia provides the Governor with three options: sign, veto, or offer amendments. The Governor may also veto one or more items in an appropriation bill. If the Governor does not act on a bill, it becomes law without his signature.
During the regular or special session, the Governor has seven days to act on bills presented to him. If there are fewer than seven days remaining in the General Assembly session, or if the General Assembly has adjourned, the Governor has thirty days after adjournment to act on bills.
If the Governor recommends amendments to or vetoes a bill, and the General Assembly is still in session, the General Assembly can consider the Governor's action.
When the General Assembly receives recommended amendments or vetoed legislation from the Governor, it is sent to the house of origin, i.e. House bills are sent to the House of Delegates and Senate bills are sent to the Senate. There are various constitutional options available to the General Assembly:
A. The Governor's amendments can be agreed to or rejected. If the amendments are agreed to by both houses, the amended bill is reenrolled and becomes law. Governor's amendments may be rejected and the original bill sent back to the Governor where it may be signed as originally presented or vetoed. The house of origin, having rejected a Governor's amendment, can pass the bill as originally presented to the Governor by a vote of two-thirds of the members of each body.
B. The Governor must submit amendments in a form that allows the General Assembly to act on each amendment individually. The General Assembly may accept or reject part of the amendments. The bill is then returned to the Governor with the amendments agreed to by the General Assembly. The Governor may approve or veto the bill as amended. If the Governor does not act, the bill will become law without his signature.
C. If either house of the General Assembly determines that the Governor's amendments are not specific and severable (able to be acted upon individually), that house may refer the bill to committee and the bill will be treated as if it was just introduced. If the bill is then passed by the General Assembly, it is enrolled and sent back to the Governor for approval or veto.
D. The Governor's vetoes may be upheld or overridden. If the veto is upheld, the bill dies. The vote to override a Governor's veto requires a two-thirds vote of both the House of Delegates and the Senate.
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Nowhere in there does it say that a proposed bill will absolutely become a law. This bill is merely under consideration. Also, laws in VA do not become active until the July after which they are passed, so we have a while to worry about it even if it does.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2007 08:46AM by RESton Peace.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
pgens
()
Date: February 13, 2007 07:16AM
You can't expect anyone to be educated on how a bill becomes a law... even breaking it down simply the Schoolhouse Rock way doesn't help. They won't even read your post though it is good info.
Anyway, with transportation problems we have this would NEVER PASS. It would result in the removal of hundreds of lane miles. NoVA would secede over this issue alone if the "exception for congestion" was abused by the police. Maybe that means any hours that HOV is not in force? Even that would make the I-66 commutes even worse. Could you imagine what removing an entire lane of I-66 each way from Manassas to DC would do?
Anyway, with transportation problems we have this would NEVER PASS. It would result in the removal of hundreds of lane miles. NoVA would secede over this issue alone if the "exception for congestion" was abused by the police. Maybe that means any hours that HOV is not in force? Even that would make the I-66 commutes even worse. Could you imagine what removing an entire lane of I-66 each way from Manassas to DC would do?
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Lurker
()
Date: February 13, 2007 08:22AM
What was that long post about?
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
RESton Peace
()
Date: February 13, 2007 08:45AM
I really just posted that long-ass rant about laws because I was bored and I wanted to take up space. I will edit the post if you wish, Lurker or Pgens.
I wanted to make a point that this guy has already ceded that it will become a law, despite this long-ass process that has to happen first.
I wanted to make a point that this guy has already ceded that it will become a law, despite this long-ass process that has to happen first.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
pgens
()
Date: February 13, 2007 11:31AM
No...no need to edit. It is informative for those who would read it.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
ShockedMicrobe
()
Date: February 13, 2007 11:58AM
I thought the Virginia house has already passed it unanimously, no?
Now if the senate passes it and the gov signs it, it will become law, no?
Now if the senate passes it and the gov signs it, it will become law, no?
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
m4ilm4n
()
Date: February 13, 2007 12:10PM
Seems like an attempt to imitate "rechtsfahren" (lit. "right-driving"), the German laws governing the left lane of the autobahn. I don't think it'll work here, since a lot of drivers think it's their God-given right to do 45 in the freeway's left lane and to hell with anyone trying to get around them.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
ShockedMicrobe
()
Date: February 13, 2007 12:31PM
m4ilm4n Wrote:
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> Seems like an attempt to imitate "rechtsfahren"
> (lit. "right-driving"), the German laws governing
> the left lane of the autobahn. I don't think it'll
> work here, since a lot of drivers think it's their
> God-given right to do 45 in the freeway's left
> lane and to hell with anyone trying to get around
> them.
Is it too late to piggyback the German Autobahn no-speed-limit provision
onto the Virginia bill? :D
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> Seems like an attempt to imitate "rechtsfahren"
> (lit. "right-driving"), the German laws governing
> the left lane of the autobahn. I don't think it'll
> work here, since a lot of drivers think it's their
> God-given right to do 45 in the freeway's left
> lane and to hell with anyone trying to get around
> them.
Is it too late to piggyback the German Autobahn no-speed-limit provision
onto the Virginia bill? :D
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
kit.car
()
Date: February 15, 2007 02:45PM
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
pgens
()
Date: February 15, 2007 08:02PM
Just what I had in mind kit.car... thanks :)
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
kit.car
()
Date: February 15, 2007 11:31PM
everything I need to know about life I learned in kindergarten.
YouTube has some other Schoolhouse Rock vids... Ahhh the good old days, of innocent TV veiwing...
YouTube has some other Schoolhouse Rock vids... Ahhh the good old days, of innocent TV veiwing...
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
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Date: February 28, 2007 07:26AM
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Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
???
()
Date: February 28, 2007 08:08AM
I thought there was already a law on the books about that?
If you want to see it in action drive Old Keene Mill Road sometime. People get in the left lane and I swear do 25. The speed limit is 45. They will do it from Rolling Road east all the way to 95. Since there are only two lanes it is a bitch to get around them. If another dumb fuck gets in the right lane beside them doing the same then prepare for a long commute.
It is usually old geezers with the huge sunglasses and a hat.
If you want to see it in action drive Old Keene Mill Road sometime. People get in the left lane and I swear do 25. The speed limit is 45. They will do it from Rolling Road east all the way to 95. Since there are only two lanes it is a bitch to get around them. If another dumb fuck gets in the right lane beside them doing the same then prepare for a long commute.
It is usually old geezers with the huge sunglasses and a hat.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
...
()
Date: March 01, 2007 12:18PM
> It is usually old geezers with the huge sunglasses
> and a hat.
Usually driving Toyota Camrys.
> and a hat.
Usually driving Toyota Camrys.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
la law
()
Date: October 22, 2014 03:13PM
Bullshit.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
dumbass dweebs
()
Date: October 22, 2014 03:30PM
??? Wrote:
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> I thought there was already a law on the books
> about that?
>
> If you want to see it in action drive Old Keene
> Mill Road sometime. People get in the left lane
> and I swear do 25. The speed limit is 45. They
> will do it from Rolling Road east all the way to
> 95. Since there are only two lanes it is a bitch
> to get around them. If another dumb fuck gets in
> the right lane beside them doing the same then
> prepare for a long commute.
>
> It is usually old geezers with the huge sunglasses
> and a hat.
You are an idiot. OKM is a urban arterial, not a highway, therefore the left lane laws dont apply. Dumb fucks. BTW Virginia has no jurisdiction to impose this on 495 or 95, those are federal highways.
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> I thought there was already a law on the books
> about that?
>
> If you want to see it in action drive Old Keene
> Mill Road sometime. People get in the left lane
> and I swear do 25. The speed limit is 45. They
> will do it from Rolling Road east all the way to
> 95. Since there are only two lanes it is a bitch
> to get around them. If another dumb fuck gets in
> the right lane beside them doing the same then
> prepare for a long commute.
>
> It is usually old geezers with the huge sunglasses
> and a hat.
You are an idiot. OKM is a urban arterial, not a highway, therefore the left lane laws dont apply. Dumb fucks. BTW Virginia has no jurisdiction to impose this on 495 or 95, those are federal highways.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
just a fact jack
()
Date: October 22, 2014 03:39PM
Besides no juristiction, that would be a sure fire way to make sure legislators don't get reelected. Their elected positions are holy to them. And you know any polititian will suck a peter if that's what it takes to get elected. I call bullshit
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Getoutofmyway
()
Date: October 22, 2014 03:51PM
dumbass dweebs Wrote:
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> ??? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
BTW Virginia has no jurisdiction to
> impose this on 495 or 95, those are federal
> highways.
Hey dipshit! Virginia has just as much jurisdiction to do this as they do to raise the speed limit on 95, 66, 81, & 64. Otherwise we would still be driving 55 on these highways once you get outside of the DC Metro instead of 65 or 70.
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> ??? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
BTW Virginia has no jurisdiction to
> impose this on 495 or 95, those are federal
> highways.
Hey dipshit! Virginia has just as much jurisdiction to do this as they do to raise the speed limit on 95, 66, 81, & 64. Otherwise we would still be driving 55 on these highways once you get outside of the DC Metro instead of 65 or 70.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
just a fact jack
()
Date: October 22, 2014 04:09PM
Getoutofmyway Wrote:
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> dumbass dweebs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ??? Wrote:I'm not sure if tha >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> BTW Virginia has no jurisdiction to
> > impose this on 495 or 95, those are federal
> > highways.
>
> Hey dipshit! Virginia has just as much
> jurisdiction to do this as they do to raise the
> speed limit on 95, 66, 81, & 64. Otherwise we
> would still be driving 55 on these highways once
> you get outside of the DC Metro instead of 65 or
> 70.
He your the dips shit,in the 80's the feds allowed the states to set the speed limits on the interstates. It was maxed at 65-70, then later it was allowed to go higher, though im not sure if that's only west of the mississippi. In the early 70's limits were set by the feds at 55. Federal money builds the highways. The feds own them. Get your facts right before you open your dicksucker and call names. Anyhow, this is proposed legislation. Probably by some rural politician who's trying to please people at home. It'll never pass, much less be enacted. It won't even come to a vote.
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> dumbass dweebs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ??? Wrote:I'm not sure if tha >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> BTW Virginia has no jurisdiction to
> > impose this on 495 or 95, those are federal
> > highways.
>
> Hey dipshit! Virginia has just as much
> jurisdiction to do this as they do to raise the
> speed limit on 95, 66, 81, & 64. Otherwise we
> would still be driving 55 on these highways once
> you get outside of the DC Metro instead of 65 or
> 70.
He your the dips shit,in the 80's the feds allowed the states to set the speed limits on the interstates. It was maxed at 65-70, then later it was allowed to go higher, though im not sure if that's only west of the mississippi. In the early 70's limits were set by the feds at 55. Federal money builds the highways. The feds own them. Get your facts right before you open your dicksucker and call names. Anyhow, this is proposed legislation. Probably by some rural politician who's trying to please people at home. It'll never pass, much less be enacted. It won't even come to a vote.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Perplopped
()
Date: October 22, 2014 04:17PM
HA HA--What will they do about all the left hand lanes with on and off ramps merging and exiting with no merge lanes? Somebody ought to set up a camera feed on those that goes right to you-tube...On the main highways everybody is passing everyone to their right constantly, so what can the ticket be for?
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Slow down
()
Date: October 22, 2014 08:55PM
1973: Congress cuts the Interstate speed limit to 55 due to the oil crisis
1987: Congress decides oil crisis is over. Changes limit to 65
1995: Congress ducks out and lets states decide speed limits on Interstates
1987: Congress decides oil crisis is over. Changes limit to 65
1995: Congress ducks out and lets states decide speed limits on Interstates
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Hello 2007...
()
Date: October 22, 2014 08:59PM
About half of the German autobahns do indeed have posted speed limits. Speed is discretionary in intercity space, but the police can still cite you for driving too fast. The autobahns are superbly maintained in comparison to most US Interstates and are much better suited to higher speed travel.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Alexander Smith
()
Date: October 22, 2014 09:03PM
just a fact jack Wrote:
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> Besides no juristiction, that would be a sure fire
> way to make sure legislators don't get reelected.
> Their elected positions are holy to them. And you
> know any polititian will suck a peter if that's
> what it takes to get elected. I call bullshit
It's honestly sickening how the legislators couldn't care less about the citizens and the impact their shitty laws take on us. The only thing in the world they care about is re-election and will do exactly what you said, basically anything to keep their positions.
Doesn't matter which party, Democrat or Republican. They are the same thing and are lauging at us at the end of the day shaking hands with each other.
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> Besides no juristiction, that would be a sure fire
> way to make sure legislators don't get reelected.
> Their elected positions are holy to them. And you
> know any polititian will suck a peter if that's
> what it takes to get elected. I call bullshit
It's honestly sickening how the legislators couldn't care less about the citizens and the impact their shitty laws take on us. The only thing in the world they care about is re-election and will do exactly what you said, basically anything to keep their positions.
Doesn't matter which party, Democrat or Republican. They are the same thing and are lauging at us at the end of the day shaking hands with each other.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Mr. Welby
()
Date: October 22, 2014 09:05PM
Great idea. Reduce driving lanes to create more traffic back ups in the center and right lane(s).
Who's the genius that thought of this wonderful way to deal with an already bad situation?
I'd be willing to bet that it is an advertent strategy to motivate more people to use the pay for express lanes.
Who's the genius that thought of this wonderful way to deal with an already bad situation?
I'd be willing to bet that it is an advertent strategy to motivate more people to use the pay for express lanes.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Hmmm...
()
Date: October 22, 2014 09:24PM
Mr. Welby Wrote:
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> I'd be willing to bet that it is an advertent
> strategy to motivate more people to use the pay
> for express lanes.
Did you not notice that the OP is from 2007? February even.
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> I'd be willing to bet that it is an advertent
> strategy to motivate more people to use the pay
> for express lanes.
Did you not notice that the OP is from 2007? February even.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Too funny
()
Date: October 22, 2014 09:36PM
Hmmm... Wrote:
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> Mr. Welby Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'd be willing to bet that it is an advertent
> > strategy to motivate more people to use the pay
> > for express lanes.
>
> Did you not notice that the OP is from 2007?
> February even.
Hahaha
Did the law pass?
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> Mr. Welby Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'd be willing to bet that it is an advertent
> > strategy to motivate more people to use the pay
> > for express lanes.
>
> Did you not notice that the OP is from 2007?
> February even.
Hahaha
Did the law pass?
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Mr. Welby
()
Date: October 22, 2014 09:39PM
Oh well.... guess I'm the laughing stock.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
No matter
()
Date: October 22, 2014 09:57PM
Happens to everybody eventually.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Statist (not)
()
Date: October 22, 2014 10:32PM
Slow down Wrote:
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> 1995: Congress ducks out and lets states decide
> speed limits on Interstates
If only they would do that for health care, minimum wage, and education funding.
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> 1995: Congress ducks out and lets states decide
> speed limits on Interstates
If only they would do that for health care, minimum wage, and education funding.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
LOL...
()
Date: October 22, 2014 11:38PM
Statist (not) Wrote:
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> If only they would do that for health care,
> minimum wage, and education funding.
If only you socipaths weren't such assholes.
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> If only they would do that for health care,
> minimum wage, and education funding.
If only you socipaths weren't such assholes.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
wuhtz
()
Date: October 23, 2014 08:11AM
RESton Peace Wrote:
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> "Apparently there's going to be a new law banning
> driving in left lane"
>
> Allow me to take you through the Democratic
> process for our fine state, since you have
> apparently come to the conclusion that proposed
> legislation is as good as final:
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------
> Drafting &
> Introducing
> a Bill In Virginia
>
>
> A General Assembly member tells the staff of the
> Division of Legislative Services (DLS) what needs
> to be accomplished by the proposed legislation.
> The DLS staff checks existing law and the
> constitutionality of the proposed legislation. A
> bill is drafted (written) and given to the member
> for introduction.
>
> The member who introduces a piece of legislation
> is called the patron or sponsor. The patron is
> responsible for guiding his or her legislation
> through both houses. Members or members-elect may
> introduce legislation in accordance with the Code
> of Virginia and the schedule for the conduct of
> business established by the General Assembly.
>
> A procedural resolution that establishes the
> schedule for the conduct of business for each
> session is agreed to by both houses at the
> beginning of each session. This schedule sets
> certain deadlines for the introduction and
> consideration of legislation throughout the
> legislative process.
>
> Current law allows members to prefile bills with
> the Clerk of their respective body no earlier than
> sixty days before the beginning of a session in an
> even-numbered year (such as 1996, 1998, etc.), but
> bills may be prefiled up to 180 days prior to the
> beginning of a session in an odd-numbered year
> (such as 1997, 1999, etc.). According to the Code
> of Virginia, bills relating to charters, claims,
> tax-exempt property, additional expenditures by
> localities, retail sales and use tax exemption,
> the Virginia Retirement System, or those having a
> fiscal impact on the Department of Corrections
> must be introduced no later than the first
> calendar day of any session, unless otherwise
> specified.
>
>
> Bill Referred to Committee
>
>
> A committee is a group of legislators organized
> for the purpose of considering and deciding upon
> the disposition of a bill or resolution.
>
> In the House of Delegates
> Upon introduction, the Clerk of the House of
> Delegates assigns a number for each bill and sends
> the legislation to the Speaker of the House. The
> Speaker refers the bill to a committee. It is
> ordered to be printed and the original bill is
> delivered to the committee clerk. The members of
> the 20 standing committees are appointed by the
> Speaker of the House of Delegates and have from 5
> to 22 members.
>
> In the Senate
> The bill is assigned a number by the Clerk of the
> Senate, who refers it to a committee. The Rules of
> the Senate specify the subject areas to be
> considered by each committee. For example, a bill
> relating to the inspection of motor vehicles would
> be referred to the Committee on Transportation,
> and after the bill has been referred, it is
> printed and the original bill is delivered to the
> committee clerk. There are 11 committees in the
> Senate and all have 15 members, except the Finance
> Committee which has 17 members. Committee members
> are elected to each committee by the Senate at the
> time the Senate organizes every four years.
>
> Committee
> Meeting/Action
>
>
> Committee Meeting
> The committee system is an integral part of the
> legislative process. The committee meets to hear
> reasons why the bill should be reported to the
> Senate or the House of Delegates. The patron is
> usually the first to speak. The public also has an
> opportunity to voice support or opposition to a
> bill. Any citizen of the Commonwealth has the
> right to attend a committee meeting and speak
> about legislation.
>
> In conducting business, standing committees are
> governed by the rules of their respective body.
> The list of bills assigned to the committee is
> called the docket. The chairman of the committee
> determines which bills on the docket will be
> considered at its meeting.
>
> Committee Action
> After the committee hears the patron and any other
> witnesses, the committee has several options when
> the chairman calls for a vote. One of the
> following actions may be taken and recorded by the
> committee clerk:
>
> 1. Report: The majority of the committee approves
> of the bill and it is reported to the floor. The
> bill may be reported 1) without amendment, 2) with
> amendment(s), or 3) with an amendment in the
> nature of a substitute. A bill may also be
> reported and referred to another committee using
> this method.
>
> 2. Pass by Indefinitely (PBI): This action allows
> the committee to reconsider the legislation prior
> to the deadline established by the procedural
> resolution that sets the schedule for
> consideration of bills.
>
> 3. Defeat: The committee rejects a motion to
> report the bill, and there is no further action by
> the committee.
>
> 4. Continue/Carry Over: A bill introduced in an
> even-numbered year session may be continued or
> carried over to an odd-numbered year session for
> further action or study during the interim. A
> carry-over bill retains its assigned bill number
> in the odd-numbered year session. A bill may not
> be continued or carried over from an odd-numbered
> year session to an even-numbered year session.
>
> 5. Pass by for the day: The committee is not ready
> to act on the bill. If the bill is not taken up
> before the deadline, then it is considered Left in
> Committee or No Action Taken.
>
> 6. No Action or Left in Committee: No motion is
> made on the bill and it dies at the time of the
> committee action deadline.
>
> 7. Incorporate into other Legislation: The bill is
> incorporated, or included into another bill
> through an amendment or a substitute. The bill may
> have similar language or duplicate language with
> the same intent.
>
>
> First Reading
> a Bill
>
>
> The Virginia Constitution requires that the title
> of each bill be read three times or appear in the
> printed Calendar on three different days.
> Legislation reported from the Committees (Senate
> bills from Senate committees, House bills from
> House committees) appears on the Calendar under
> the category of Senate Bills on First Reading in
> the Senate or House Bills on First Reading in the
> House of Delegates.
>
> To assist each body in conducting business, the
> Clerk publishes a Calendar for each day the body
> meets. The Calendar is a document listing the
> number and the title of each bill before the body.
> The bill numbers and titles are divided according
> to the reading which should take place during the
> session for that day, i.e. Third Reading, Second
> Reading, and First Reading. Since each body has
> different legislation before it, the Calendar for
> the House is not the same as the Calendar for the
> Senate.
>
> House legislation, when first received by the
> Senate after passage in the House of Delegates,
> receives its first reading and is referred to the
> appropriate Senate committee. Likewise, Senate
> legislation, when received by the House of
> Delegates after passage in the Senate, receives
> its first reading and is referred to the
> appropriate House committee.
>
> Second Reading
> For Senate legislation in the Senate or House
> legislation in the House of Delegates, the bill's
> second reading is also referred to as the
> "amendable stage." On this reading, committee
> amendments are usually taken up first and adopted
> or rejected by the body. Sometimes there are so
> many amendments to a bill that an "amendment in
> the nature of a substitute" is reported by the
> committee. After consideration of any committee
> amendment(s) or substitute(s), the body considers
> any floor amendment(s) or floor substitute(s)
> which may have been offered by a member of the
> body. At this point, debate is limited to
> discussion on the amendment(s) or substitute.
>
> In the House of Delegates
> When the House has House bills on second reading,
> the Clerk reads the title, and the House debates
> and votes on any amendment(s) or substitute(s).
> Following this, the House of Delegates debates the
> merits of each bill as it may be amended, and
> votes whether to engross the bill and advance it
> to third reading. If a bill fails to be engrossed
> and advanced to its third reading, the bill is
> defeated.
>
> In the Senate
> When the Senate has Senate bills on second
> reading, the Clerk reads the title of each bill,
> and the Senate debates and votes on any
> amendment(s) or substitute(s). The Senate then
> considers the motion to engross the bill and
> advance it to its third reading.
>
> Votes on amendments or substitutes are usually
> voice votes. When the votes are close and the
> presiding officer, the President of the Senate or
> Speaker of the House of Delegates, cannot
> determine which side prevails, a division or a
> vote is taken.
>
> After the consideration of any amendment(s) or
> substitute(s), a bill is ordered to be "engrossed"
> and advanced to its third reading. Engrossing
> means incorporating any amendment(s) which may
> have been adopted by the body. Once the amendments
> are adopted, the engrossed bill is printed. If the
> bill has no amendments, the bill, as introduced,
> becomes the engrossed bill. If the body adopts a
> "substitute," the substitute becomes the engrossed
> bill. There is no further printing, unless a floor
> subsitute is adopted.
>
> Legislation of the other body, i.e. House bills in
> the Senate or Senate bills in the House of
> Delegates, is not considered amendable on second
> reading. This legislation, having been reported
> from a committee, is listed in the Calendar the
> next day. Committee amendments are not shown in
> the Calendar until the legislation is on third
> reading. Debate on amendment(s) to legislation of
> the other body takes place on third reading.
>
> Third Reading
> The Constitution requires that for a bill to
> become law there should be a recorded vote on the
> passage of the legislation. This means that every
> legislator who voted on the question: "Shall the
> bill pass?" is shown in the public record as
> voting "Yea", "Nay", or "Abstain" pursuant to the
> rules of each body and the laws of the
> Commonwealth.
>
> In the House of Delegates
> On votes on passage in the House, members vote
> "Yea" if they are in support of a bill and "Nay"
> if they are against a bill. If a member wants to
> "abstain", he invokes or "votes" Rule 69
> indicating that he is present for the vote but has
> a specific, personal interest in the outcome of
> the bill.
>
> In the Senate
> The merits of the bill are debated by the Senate
> prior to voting. On the vote on passage members
> vote "Yea" if they are in support of the bill and
> "Nay" if they are against a bill. If a member
> wants to abstain, he invokes or "votes" Rule 36
> indicating that he is present for the vote but has
> a specific, personal interest in the outcome of
> the bill.
>
>
> Bill Communicated
> to Other Body
> for Approval
> The Constitution of Virginia establishes a
> bicameral legislature that requires each body of
> the General Assembly to pass legislation in
> exactly the same form before it can be sent to the
> Governor to become law.
>
> Upon passage of legislation, bills and the action
> taken regarding them are communicated to the other
> body. Usually, communications are delivered to the
> other house at the beginning of each day and
> contain all of the previous day's actions.
>
> Senate legislation which is defeated on the floor
> of the Senate is not communicated to the House of
> Delegates. House legislation which is defeated on
> the floor of the House is not communicated to the
> Senate.
>
>
> Legislation in
> the Other Body
> Legislation, when initially received by the other
> body, is read a first time and referred to the
> appropriate committee. If the committee reports
> the bill to the floor, it is on its second
> reading. When the bill is on third reading, any
> amendment(s) or substitute(s) will be considered,
> and the passage of the bill is debated and voted
> on.
>
> If the other body also passes the bill without
> amendment(s), it is enrolled and communicated to
> the Governor, since it has passed both the House
> of Delegates and the Senate in the same form.
>
> If a Senate bill is passed by the House of
> Delegates with amendment(s) or with a substitute,
> the bill and the changes must be communicated to
> the Senate, so that the Senate will be in a
> position to consider the changes proposed by the
> House. If the Senate agrees to the changes
> proposed by the House, the bill, with the changes,
> is enrolled and sent to the Governor. If the
> Senate does not agree to the changes, a Committee
> of Conference may be formed to resolve the
> differences between the House and the Senate. If a
> Committee of Conference is not formed, the bill
> fails to pass.
>
>
> Conference
> Committee
> This is the process to resolve differences
> between the houses of the General Assembly when
> legislation is passed in different forms. Each
> Committee of Conference consists of an equal
> number of Senators and Delegates. If an agreement
> is reached, the terms of the agreement are
> reported to each body. If each house agrees to the
> report, the changes agreed to in the Committee of
> Conference are incorporated into the bill and the
> "compromise" bill is enrolled and sent to the
> Governor. If the Committee of Conference cannot
> agree or the report is rejected by either body,
> the bill dies.
>
>
> Governor
> For any bill presented, the Constitution of
> Virginia provides the Governor with three options:
> sign, veto, or offer amendments. The Governor may
> also veto one or more items in an appropriation
> bill. If the Governor does not act on a bill, it
> becomes law without his signature.
>
> During the regular or special session, the
> Governor has seven days to act on bills presented
> to him. If there are fewer than seven days
> remaining in the General Assembly session, or if
> the General Assembly has adjourned, the Governor
> has thirty days after adjournment to act on
> bills.
>
> If the Governor recommends amendments to or vetoes
> a bill, and the General Assembly is still in
> session, the General Assembly can consider the
> Governor's action.
>
> When the General Assembly receives recommended
> amendments or vetoed legislation from the
> Governor, it is sent to the house of origin, i.e.
> House bills are sent to the House of Delegates and
> Senate bills are sent to the Senate. There are
> various constitutional options available to the
> General Assembly:
>
> A. The Governor's amendments can be agreed to or
> rejected. If the amendments are agreed to by both
> houses, the amended bill is reenrolled and becomes
> law. Governor's amendments may be rejected and the
> original bill sent back to the Governor where it
> may be signed as originally presented or vetoed.
> The house of origin, having rejected a Governor's
> amendment, can pass the bill as originally
> presented to the Governor by a vote of two-thirds
> of the members of each body.
>
> B. The Governor must submit amendments in a form
> that allows the General Assembly to act on each
> amendment individually. The General Assembly may
> accept or reject part of the amendments. The bill
> is then returned to the Governor with the
> amendments agreed to by the General Assembly. The
> Governor may approve or veto the bill as amended.
> If the Governor does not act, the bill will become
> law without his signature.
>
> C. If either house of the General Assembly
> determines that the Governor's amendments are not
> specific and severable (able to be acted upon
> individually), that house may refer the bill to
> committee and the bill will be treated as if it
> was just introduced. If the bill is then passed by
> the General Assembly, it is enrolled and sent back
> to the Governor for approval or veto.
>
> D. The Governor's vetoes may be upheld or
> overridden. If the veto is upheld, the bill dies.
> The vote to override a Governor's veto requires a
> two-thirds vote of both the House of Delegates and
> the Senate.
> --------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------
>
> Nowhere in there does it say that a proposed bill
> will absolutely become a law. This bill is merely
> under consideration. Also, laws in VA do not
> become active until the July after which they are
> passed, so we have a while to worry about it even
> if it does.
tl;dr
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> "Apparently there's going to be a new law banning
> driving in left lane"
>
> Allow me to take you through the Democratic
> process for our fine state, since you have
> apparently come to the conclusion that proposed
> legislation is as good as final:
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------
> Drafting &
> Introducing
> a Bill In Virginia
>
>
> A General Assembly member tells the staff of the
> Division of Legislative Services (DLS) what needs
> to be accomplished by the proposed legislation.
> The DLS staff checks existing law and the
> constitutionality of the proposed legislation. A
> bill is drafted (written) and given to the member
> for introduction.
>
> The member who introduces a piece of legislation
> is called the patron or sponsor. The patron is
> responsible for guiding his or her legislation
> through both houses. Members or members-elect may
> introduce legislation in accordance with the Code
> of Virginia and the schedule for the conduct of
> business established by the General Assembly.
>
> A procedural resolution that establishes the
> schedule for the conduct of business for each
> session is agreed to by both houses at the
> beginning of each session. This schedule sets
> certain deadlines for the introduction and
> consideration of legislation throughout the
> legislative process.
>
> Current law allows members to prefile bills with
> the Clerk of their respective body no earlier than
> sixty days before the beginning of a session in an
> even-numbered year (such as 1996, 1998, etc.), but
> bills may be prefiled up to 180 days prior to the
> beginning of a session in an odd-numbered year
> (such as 1997, 1999, etc.). According to the Code
> of Virginia, bills relating to charters, claims,
> tax-exempt property, additional expenditures by
> localities, retail sales and use tax exemption,
> the Virginia Retirement System, or those having a
> fiscal impact on the Department of Corrections
> must be introduced no later than the first
> calendar day of any session, unless otherwise
> specified.
>
>
> Bill Referred to Committee
>
>
> A committee is a group of legislators organized
> for the purpose of considering and deciding upon
> the disposition of a bill or resolution.
>
> In the House of Delegates
> Upon introduction, the Clerk of the House of
> Delegates assigns a number for each bill and sends
> the legislation to the Speaker of the House. The
> Speaker refers the bill to a committee. It is
> ordered to be printed and the original bill is
> delivered to the committee clerk. The members of
> the 20 standing committees are appointed by the
> Speaker of the House of Delegates and have from 5
> to 22 members.
>
> In the Senate
> The bill is assigned a number by the Clerk of the
> Senate, who refers it to a committee. The Rules of
> the Senate specify the subject areas to be
> considered by each committee. For example, a bill
> relating to the inspection of motor vehicles would
> be referred to the Committee on Transportation,
> and after the bill has been referred, it is
> printed and the original bill is delivered to the
> committee clerk. There are 11 committees in the
> Senate and all have 15 members, except the Finance
> Committee which has 17 members. Committee members
> are elected to each committee by the Senate at the
> time the Senate organizes every four years.
>
> Committee
> Meeting/Action
>
>
> Committee Meeting
> The committee system is an integral part of the
> legislative process. The committee meets to hear
> reasons why the bill should be reported to the
> Senate or the House of Delegates. The patron is
> usually the first to speak. The public also has an
> opportunity to voice support or opposition to a
> bill. Any citizen of the Commonwealth has the
> right to attend a committee meeting and speak
> about legislation.
>
> In conducting business, standing committees are
> governed by the rules of their respective body.
> The list of bills assigned to the committee is
> called the docket. The chairman of the committee
> determines which bills on the docket will be
> considered at its meeting.
>
> Committee Action
> After the committee hears the patron and any other
> witnesses, the committee has several options when
> the chairman calls for a vote. One of the
> following actions may be taken and recorded by the
> committee clerk:
>
> 1. Report: The majority of the committee approves
> of the bill and it is reported to the floor. The
> bill may be reported 1) without amendment, 2) with
> amendment(s), or 3) with an amendment in the
> nature of a substitute. A bill may also be
> reported and referred to another committee using
> this method.
>
> 2. Pass by Indefinitely (PBI): This action allows
> the committee to reconsider the legislation prior
> to the deadline established by the procedural
> resolution that sets the schedule for
> consideration of bills.
>
> 3. Defeat: The committee rejects a motion to
> report the bill, and there is no further action by
> the committee.
>
> 4. Continue/Carry Over: A bill introduced in an
> even-numbered year session may be continued or
> carried over to an odd-numbered year session for
> further action or study during the interim. A
> carry-over bill retains its assigned bill number
> in the odd-numbered year session. A bill may not
> be continued or carried over from an odd-numbered
> year session to an even-numbered year session.
>
> 5. Pass by for the day: The committee is not ready
> to act on the bill. If the bill is not taken up
> before the deadline, then it is considered Left in
> Committee or No Action Taken.
>
> 6. No Action or Left in Committee: No motion is
> made on the bill and it dies at the time of the
> committee action deadline.
>
> 7. Incorporate into other Legislation: The bill is
> incorporated, or included into another bill
> through an amendment or a substitute. The bill may
> have similar language or duplicate language with
> the same intent.
>
>
> First Reading
> a Bill
>
>
> The Virginia Constitution requires that the title
> of each bill be read three times or appear in the
> printed Calendar on three different days.
> Legislation reported from the Committees (Senate
> bills from Senate committees, House bills from
> House committees) appears on the Calendar under
> the category of Senate Bills on First Reading in
> the Senate or House Bills on First Reading in the
> House of Delegates.
>
> To assist each body in conducting business, the
> Clerk publishes a Calendar for each day the body
> meets. The Calendar is a document listing the
> number and the title of each bill before the body.
> The bill numbers and titles are divided according
> to the reading which should take place during the
> session for that day, i.e. Third Reading, Second
> Reading, and First Reading. Since each body has
> different legislation before it, the Calendar for
> the House is not the same as the Calendar for the
> Senate.
>
> House legislation, when first received by the
> Senate after passage in the House of Delegates,
> receives its first reading and is referred to the
> appropriate Senate committee. Likewise, Senate
> legislation, when received by the House of
> Delegates after passage in the Senate, receives
> its first reading and is referred to the
> appropriate House committee.
>
> Second Reading
> For Senate legislation in the Senate or House
> legislation in the House of Delegates, the bill's
> second reading is also referred to as the
> "amendable stage." On this reading, committee
> amendments are usually taken up first and adopted
> or rejected by the body. Sometimes there are so
> many amendments to a bill that an "amendment in
> the nature of a substitute" is reported by the
> committee. After consideration of any committee
> amendment(s) or substitute(s), the body considers
> any floor amendment(s) or floor substitute(s)
> which may have been offered by a member of the
> body. At this point, debate is limited to
> discussion on the amendment(s) or substitute.
>
> In the House of Delegates
> When the House has House bills on second reading,
> the Clerk reads the title, and the House debates
> and votes on any amendment(s) or substitute(s).
> Following this, the House of Delegates debates the
> merits of each bill as it may be amended, and
> votes whether to engross the bill and advance it
> to third reading. If a bill fails to be engrossed
> and advanced to its third reading, the bill is
> defeated.
>
> In the Senate
> When the Senate has Senate bills on second
> reading, the Clerk reads the title of each bill,
> and the Senate debates and votes on any
> amendment(s) or substitute(s). The Senate then
> considers the motion to engross the bill and
> advance it to its third reading.
>
> Votes on amendments or substitutes are usually
> voice votes. When the votes are close and the
> presiding officer, the President of the Senate or
> Speaker of the House of Delegates, cannot
> determine which side prevails, a division or a
> vote is taken.
>
> After the consideration of any amendment(s) or
> substitute(s), a bill is ordered to be "engrossed"
> and advanced to its third reading. Engrossing
> means incorporating any amendment(s) which may
> have been adopted by the body. Once the amendments
> are adopted, the engrossed bill is printed. If the
> bill has no amendments, the bill, as introduced,
> becomes the engrossed bill. If the body adopts a
> "substitute," the substitute becomes the engrossed
> bill. There is no further printing, unless a floor
> subsitute is adopted.
>
> Legislation of the other body, i.e. House bills in
> the Senate or Senate bills in the House of
> Delegates, is not considered amendable on second
> reading. This legislation, having been reported
> from a committee, is listed in the Calendar the
> next day. Committee amendments are not shown in
> the Calendar until the legislation is on third
> reading. Debate on amendment(s) to legislation of
> the other body takes place on third reading.
>
> Third Reading
> The Constitution requires that for a bill to
> become law there should be a recorded vote on the
> passage of the legislation. This means that every
> legislator who voted on the question: "Shall the
> bill pass?" is shown in the public record as
> voting "Yea", "Nay", or "Abstain" pursuant to the
> rules of each body and the laws of the
> Commonwealth.
>
> In the House of Delegates
> On votes on passage in the House, members vote
> "Yea" if they are in support of a bill and "Nay"
> if they are against a bill. If a member wants to
> "abstain", he invokes or "votes" Rule 69
> indicating that he is present for the vote but has
> a specific, personal interest in the outcome of
> the bill.
>
> In the Senate
> The merits of the bill are debated by the Senate
> prior to voting. On the vote on passage members
> vote "Yea" if they are in support of the bill and
> "Nay" if they are against a bill. If a member
> wants to abstain, he invokes or "votes" Rule 36
> indicating that he is present for the vote but has
> a specific, personal interest in the outcome of
> the bill.
>
>
> Bill Communicated
> to Other Body
> for Approval
> The Constitution of Virginia establishes a
> bicameral legislature that requires each body of
> the General Assembly to pass legislation in
> exactly the same form before it can be sent to the
> Governor to become law.
>
> Upon passage of legislation, bills and the action
> taken regarding them are communicated to the other
> body. Usually, communications are delivered to the
> other house at the beginning of each day and
> contain all of the previous day's actions.
>
> Senate legislation which is defeated on the floor
> of the Senate is not communicated to the House of
> Delegates. House legislation which is defeated on
> the floor of the House is not communicated to the
> Senate.
>
>
> Legislation in
> the Other Body
> Legislation, when initially received by the other
> body, is read a first time and referred to the
> appropriate committee. If the committee reports
> the bill to the floor, it is on its second
> reading. When the bill is on third reading, any
> amendment(s) or substitute(s) will be considered,
> and the passage of the bill is debated and voted
> on.
>
> If the other body also passes the bill without
> amendment(s), it is enrolled and communicated to
> the Governor, since it has passed both the House
> of Delegates and the Senate in the same form.
>
> If a Senate bill is passed by the House of
> Delegates with amendment(s) or with a substitute,
> the bill and the changes must be communicated to
> the Senate, so that the Senate will be in a
> position to consider the changes proposed by the
> House. If the Senate agrees to the changes
> proposed by the House, the bill, with the changes,
> is enrolled and sent to the Governor. If the
> Senate does not agree to the changes, a Committee
> of Conference may be formed to resolve the
> differences between the House and the Senate. If a
> Committee of Conference is not formed, the bill
> fails to pass.
>
>
> Conference
> Committee
> This is the process to resolve differences
> between the houses of the General Assembly when
> legislation is passed in different forms. Each
> Committee of Conference consists of an equal
> number of Senators and Delegates. If an agreement
> is reached, the terms of the agreement are
> reported to each body. If each house agrees to the
> report, the changes agreed to in the Committee of
> Conference are incorporated into the bill and the
> "compromise" bill is enrolled and sent to the
> Governor. If the Committee of Conference cannot
> agree or the report is rejected by either body,
> the bill dies.
>
>
> Governor
> For any bill presented, the Constitution of
> Virginia provides the Governor with three options:
> sign, veto, or offer amendments. The Governor may
> also veto one or more items in an appropriation
> bill. If the Governor does not act on a bill, it
> becomes law without his signature.
>
> During the regular or special session, the
> Governor has seven days to act on bills presented
> to him. If there are fewer than seven days
> remaining in the General Assembly session, or if
> the General Assembly has adjourned, the Governor
> has thirty days after adjournment to act on
> bills.
>
> If the Governor recommends amendments to or vetoes
> a bill, and the General Assembly is still in
> session, the General Assembly can consider the
> Governor's action.
>
> When the General Assembly receives recommended
> amendments or vetoed legislation from the
> Governor, it is sent to the house of origin, i.e.
> House bills are sent to the House of Delegates and
> Senate bills are sent to the Senate. There are
> various constitutional options available to the
> General Assembly:
>
> A. The Governor's amendments can be agreed to or
> rejected. If the amendments are agreed to by both
> houses, the amended bill is reenrolled and becomes
> law. Governor's amendments may be rejected and the
> original bill sent back to the Governor where it
> may be signed as originally presented or vetoed.
> The house of origin, having rejected a Governor's
> amendment, can pass the bill as originally
> presented to the Governor by a vote of two-thirds
> of the members of each body.
>
> B. The Governor must submit amendments in a form
> that allows the General Assembly to act on each
> amendment individually. The General Assembly may
> accept or reject part of the amendments. The bill
> is then returned to the Governor with the
> amendments agreed to by the General Assembly. The
> Governor may approve or veto the bill as amended.
> If the Governor does not act, the bill will become
> law without his signature.
>
> C. If either house of the General Assembly
> determines that the Governor's amendments are not
> specific and severable (able to be acted upon
> individually), that house may refer the bill to
> committee and the bill will be treated as if it
> was just introduced. If the bill is then passed by
> the General Assembly, it is enrolled and sent back
> to the Governor for approval or veto.
>
> D. The Governor's vetoes may be upheld or
> overridden. If the veto is upheld, the bill dies.
> The vote to override a Governor's veto requires a
> two-thirds vote of both the House of Delegates and
> the Senate.
> --------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------
>
> Nowhere in there does it say that a proposed bill
> will absolutely become a law. This bill is merely
> under consideration. Also, laws in VA do not
> become active until the July after which they are
> passed, so we have a while to worry about it even
> if it does.
tl;dr
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Losers, losers, losers
()
Date: October 23, 2014 09:10AM
wuhtz Wrote:
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> tl;dr
So stupid. Must have been a Republican who thought he'd make himself look clever. LOL!
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> tl;dr
So stupid. Must have been a Republican who thought he'd make himself look clever. LOL!
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Frank Rizzo
()
Date: October 23, 2014 09:24AM
Good. Raise the speed limit while you're at it. Slow drivers: MOVE OVER! Let the good drivers pass on the left like we were all taught in drivers ed.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: October 23, 2014 09:36AM
pgens Wrote:
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> You can't expect anyone to be educated on how a
> bill becomes a law... even breaking it down simply
> the Schoolhouse Rock way doesn't help. They won't
> even read your post though it is good info.
>
> Anyway, with transportation problems we have this
> would NEVER PASS. It would result in the removal
> of hundreds of lane miles. NoVA would secede over
> this issue alone if the "exception for congestion"
> was abused by the police. Maybe that means any
> hours that HOV is not in force? Even that would
> make the I-66 commutes even worse. Could you
> imagine what removing an entire lane of I-66 each
> way from Manassas to DC would do?
It wouldn't remove hundreds of lane miles, it would just help make sure that left lane continued to pass even in congested conditions. Plus I'm pretty certain the rule isn't necessary expected to be adhered to in heavy traffic.
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> You can't expect anyone to be educated on how a
> bill becomes a law... even breaking it down simply
> the Schoolhouse Rock way doesn't help. They won't
> even read your post though it is good info.
>
> Anyway, with transportation problems we have this
> would NEVER PASS. It would result in the removal
> of hundreds of lane miles. NoVA would secede over
> this issue alone if the "exception for congestion"
> was abused by the police. Maybe that means any
> hours that HOV is not in force? Even that would
> make the I-66 commutes even worse. Could you
> imagine what removing an entire lane of I-66 each
> way from Manassas to DC would do?
It wouldn't remove hundreds of lane miles, it would just help make sure that left lane continued to pass even in congested conditions. Plus I'm pretty certain the rule isn't necessary expected to be adhered to in heavy traffic.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: October 23, 2014 09:37AM
All it does is re-enforce what is ALREADY LAW but is not being followed with the public with a fine so it is followed by the public.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Leadfoot loser
()
Date: October 23, 2014 09:39AM
Frank Rizzo Wrote:
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> Good. Raise the speed limit while you're at it.
> Slow drivers: MOVE OVER! Let the good drivers pass
> on the left like we were all taught in drivers ed.
Why are you in such a rush to get your speeding ticket? Meanwhile, you should have been taught to flash your lights to request a priority right-of-way.
By the way, Rizzo was an asshole and the OP is from 2007.
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> Good. Raise the speed limit while you're at it.
> Slow drivers: MOVE OVER! Let the good drivers pass
> on the left like we were all taught in drivers ed.
Why are you in such a rush to get your speeding ticket? Meanwhile, you should have been taught to flash your lights to request a priority right-of-way.
By the way, Rizzo was an asshole and the OP is from 2007.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Seriopusly...
()
Date: October 23, 2014 09:41AM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> All it does is re-enforce what is ALREADY LAW but
> is not being followed with the public with a fine
> so it is followed by the public.
What?
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> All it does is re-enforce what is ALREADY LAW but
> is not being followed with the public with a fine
> so it is followed by the public.
What?
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Barkeep
()
Date: October 23, 2014 09:44AM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> All it does is re-enforce what is ALREADY LAW but
> is not being followed with the public with a fine
> so it is followed by the public.
That's it. You're cut off. You've been over-served already.
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> All it does is re-enforce what is ALREADY LAW but
> is not being followed with the public with a fine
> so it is followed by the public.
That's it. You're cut off. You've been over-served already.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: October 23, 2014 09:47AM
It's already the law that the left lane is for passing. It's not being ticketed or enforced so there is no compliance with the law.
Now if there was a $250 dollar fine for it, you can bet your ass people would know better than to stall traffic next to one another in the lanes.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/2014 09:47AM by Gerrymanderer2.
Now if there was a $250 dollar fine for it, you can bet your ass people would know better than to stall traffic next to one another in the lanes.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/2014 09:47AM by Gerrymanderer2.
Re: new law bans driving in left lane, $250 fine... (left lane for passing only)
Posted by:
Frank Rizzo
()
Date: October 23, 2014 09:51AM
Mind your fucking business asshole. Just move the fuck over.