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A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
NoMo
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Date: December 14, 2018 02:51PM
A common gun control myth about mass shootings is based on faulty research. For FACTS, not fiction see here;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=lXGgI2E5JUw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=lXGgI2E5JUw
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Reminder...
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Date: December 14, 2018 02:59PM
GUNS = DEATH
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Yabadabado
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Date: December 14, 2018 03:07PM
Reminder... Wrote:
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> GUNS = DEATH
Death is a natural consequence of life.
LIFE = DEATH
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> GUNS = DEATH
Death is a natural consequence of life.
LIFE = DEATH
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Dumb as a stick
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Date: December 14, 2018 05:52PM
Yeah, it’s a tie alright.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Pc Retardz
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Date: December 14, 2018 05:55PM
Reminder... Wrote:
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> GUNS = DEATH
Yeah, that's the point.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> GUNS = DEATH
Yeah, that's the point.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Children at play
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Date: December 14, 2018 06:18PM
Nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths last year. THAT’S the point.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Mikey Bloomberg
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Date: December 14, 2018 06:18PM
Lankford's JUNK SCIENCE is bought and paid for propaganda by Mikey Bloomberg.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Wake up, dumbass
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Date: December 14, 2018 06:23PM
That’s a CDC number, asshole.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Dumb Ass
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Date: December 14, 2018 06:30PM
Children at play Wrote:
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> Nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths last year.
> THAT’S the point.
That is a FUCKING LIE .... even leftist gun control sites say you are a FUCKING LIAR!!!!!
"15,549 people were killed by guns in the United States in 2017, according to data collected by Gun Violence Archive (GVA), a nonprofit organization that tracks media and law enforcement reports of shootings."
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> Nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths last year.
> THAT’S the point.
That is a FUCKING LIE .... even leftist gun control sites say you are a FUCKING LIAR!!!!!
"15,549 people were killed by guns in the United States in 2017, according to data collected by Gun Violence Archive (GVA), a nonprofit organization that tracks media and law enforcement reports of shootings."
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
To be clear
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Date: December 14, 2018 06:52PM
Children at play Wrote:
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> Nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths last year.
> THAT’S the point.
Nog on Nog violence account for much of the supposed 40K deaths.
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> Nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths last year.
> THAT’S the point.
Nog on Nog violence account for much of the supposed 40K deaths.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
NoMo
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Date: December 14, 2018 10:06PM
Official FBI crime stats for 2017 are:
Total Murders: 15129
Total by Firearm: 10982
Total by knife: 1591
Total by other weapon: 1860
Total by fist / feet: 696
Your 40,000, which you don't source or break down seems slightly high. The usual figures quoted are 33-35k. Such figures usually include suicides (about 2/3 ~ 26,000), justifiable shootings by police and civilians, and accidents. Anyway, Criminal use of guns is about 1/4 of your number, making your claim disingenuous.
IN re the false claims that gun control laws reduce homicides:
This study compares Brady's data and finds:
https://crimeresearch.org/2018/03/states-stricter-gun-control-laws-fewer-gun-deaths-no-fewer-homicides-suicides-definitely-no/
Once one accounts for the average pre-existing differences in homicide and suicide rates across states and the average annual changes in those deaths from year-to-year, stricter gun laws are associated with more total deaths from homicides and suicides. increasing the index of the gun laws in a state by 20 percentage points (about one standard deviation) is associated with an increase in the total death rate (homicides plus suicides) of 0.4 per 100,000 people. While we might disagree with how the Brady Campaign rates state gun control laws from year-to-year, this relationship is found using their ratings.
Again, this study is not afraid to show its data and how it was analyzed, unlike the gun control side which rarely shows its data and analysis.
Murders in the US are concentrated in a few areas.
Murders in US very concentrated: 54% of US counties in 2014 had zero murders, 2% of counties have 51% of the murders
https://crimeresearch.org/2017/04/number-murders-county-54-us-counties-2014-zero-murders-69-1-murder/
Your gun control proposals do nothing to address those problems, instead they take rights away from the innocent, punishing them for the crimes of the guilty.
Finally, GUNS SAVE LIVES. A CDC study confirms this:
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent
“Self-defense can be an important crime deterrent,”says a new report by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). The $10 million study was commissioned by President Barack Obama as part of 23 executive orders he signed in January.
“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,” the CDC study, entitled “Priorities For Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” states.
Peer reviewed studies put the number of defensive gun uses at 1.5 to 3 million times each year.
Total Murders: 15129
Total by Firearm: 10982
Total by knife: 1591
Total by other weapon: 1860
Total by fist / feet: 696
Your 40,000, which you don't source or break down seems slightly high. The usual figures quoted are 33-35k. Such figures usually include suicides (about 2/3 ~ 26,000), justifiable shootings by police and civilians, and accidents. Anyway, Criminal use of guns is about 1/4 of your number, making your claim disingenuous.
IN re the false claims that gun control laws reduce homicides:
This study compares Brady's data and finds:
https://crimeresearch.org/2018/03/states-stricter-gun-control-laws-fewer-gun-deaths-no-fewer-homicides-suicides-definitely-no/
Once one accounts for the average pre-existing differences in homicide and suicide rates across states and the average annual changes in those deaths from year-to-year, stricter gun laws are associated with more total deaths from homicides and suicides. increasing the index of the gun laws in a state by 20 percentage points (about one standard deviation) is associated with an increase in the total death rate (homicides plus suicides) of 0.4 per 100,000 people. While we might disagree with how the Brady Campaign rates state gun control laws from year-to-year, this relationship is found using their ratings.
Again, this study is not afraid to show its data and how it was analyzed, unlike the gun control side which rarely shows its data and analysis.
Murders in the US are concentrated in a few areas.
Murders in US very concentrated: 54% of US counties in 2014 had zero murders, 2% of counties have 51% of the murders
https://crimeresearch.org/2017/04/number-murders-county-54-us-counties-2014-zero-murders-69-1-murder/
Your gun control proposals do nothing to address those problems, instead they take rights away from the innocent, punishing them for the crimes of the guilty.
Finally, GUNS SAVE LIVES. A CDC study confirms this:
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent
“Self-defense can be an important crime deterrent,”says a new report by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). The $10 million study was commissioned by President Barack Obama as part of 23 executive orders he signed in January.
“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,” the CDC study, entitled “Priorities For Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” states.
Peer reviewed studies put the number of defensive gun uses at 1.5 to 3 million times each year.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
JJELT
()
Date: December 14, 2018 10:47PM
Just purchased 5 more guns today!
Gonna have some fun in the New Year.
Gonna have some fun in the New Year.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Reminder.....
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Date: December 14, 2018 10:50PM
Reminder... Wrote:
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> GUNS = DEATH
^^^^^
Cuck faggot
Attachments:
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> GUNS = DEATH
^^^^^
Cuck faggot
Attachments:
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Speaking of Murder
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Date: December 15, 2018 08:22AM
Liberals at Planned Parenthood snuffed out the lives of 300,000 Black babies last year.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Take a hike, asshole
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Date: December 15, 2018 10:08AM
^^^ "Cult of the Fetus" moron. If they ever studied it at all, these feral bozos all failed basic human biology and likely most other science courses as well.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
GUNS = DEATH
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Date: December 15, 2018 10:11AM
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Dumb Ass
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Date: December 15, 2018 10:16AM
GUNS = DEATH Wrote:
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> https://www.google.com/search?q=40%2C000+gun+death
> s+CDC&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1
2/3rds of those are SUICIDES you FUCKING MORON. Do you really think the American people are so stupid to believe your constant LIES????
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> https://www.google.com/search?q=40%2C000+gun+death
> s+CDC&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1
2/3rds of those are SUICIDES you FUCKING MORON. Do you really think the American people are so stupid to believe your constant LIES????
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Speaking of STUPID...
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Date: December 15, 2018 10:58AM
Do you retarded gun-fucks not realize that successful SUICIDES result in a DEATH?
The CDC says almost 40,000 gun-related deaths occurred in 2017. That includes deaths from suicide, homicide, and accidental deaths. 40,000 people lost to guns. In one year. And NRA assholes just shrug their weak-ass shoulders like the pathetic lame-brained dolts that they are.
The CDC says almost 40,000 gun-related deaths occurred in 2017. That includes deaths from suicide, homicide, and accidental deaths. 40,000 people lost to guns. In one year. And NRA assholes just shrug their weak-ass shoulders like the pathetic lame-brained dolts that they are.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Some Common Sense Advice
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Date: December 15, 2018 11:22AM
Speaking of STUPID... Wrote:
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> Do you retarded gun-fucks not realize that
> successful SUICIDES result in a DEATH?
>
> The CDC says almost 40,000 gun-related deaths
> occurred in 2017. That includes deaths from
> suicide, homicide, and accidental deaths. 40,000
> people lost to guns. In one year. And NRA
> assholes just shrug their weak-ass shoulders like
> the pathetic lame-brained dolts that they are.
Fuck you pussy. No once cares what you think. Crawl up under you pussified bed and cry all day faggot. When you can get 2/3 of both chambers of Congress, a president who will sign it AND 3/4 of the states to approve it to pass a repeal of the 2nd, then you'll have something. Until then, eat shit and die douchebag.
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> Do you retarded gun-fucks not realize that
> successful SUICIDES result in a DEATH?
>
> The CDC says almost 40,000 gun-related deaths
> occurred in 2017. That includes deaths from
> suicide, homicide, and accidental deaths. 40,000
> people lost to guns. In one year. And NRA
> assholes just shrug their weak-ass shoulders like
> the pathetic lame-brained dolts that they are.
Fuck you pussy. No once cares what you think. Crawl up under you pussified bed and cry all day faggot. When you can get 2/3 of both chambers of Congress, a president who will sign it AND 3/4 of the states to approve it to pass a repeal of the 2nd, then you'll have something. Until then, eat shit and die douchebag.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
NoMo
()
Date: December 15, 2018 11:58AM
Speaking of STUPID... Wrote:
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> Do you retarded gun-fucks not realize that
> successful SUICIDES result in a DEATH?
>
> The CDC says almost 40,000 gun-related deaths
> occurred in 2017. That includes deaths from
> suicide, homicide, and accidental deaths. 40,000
> people lost to guns. In one year. And NRA
> assholes just shrug their weak-ass shoulders like
> the pathetic lame-brained dolts that they are.
Do you not realize that studies have shown that people will continue to commit suicide by other means if you take away guns?
Do you not realize that guns are used millions of times each year to prevent a crime, normally without a shot being fired?
Do you not realize that punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty is morally wrong?
Do you not realize that you are not the morally superior person you claim to be?
Do you not realize that gun owners are not the morally inferior persons you claim they are?
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> Do you retarded gun-fucks not realize that
> successful SUICIDES result in a DEATH?
>
> The CDC says almost 40,000 gun-related deaths
> occurred in 2017. That includes deaths from
> suicide, homicide, and accidental deaths. 40,000
> people lost to guns. In one year. And NRA
> assholes just shrug their weak-ass shoulders like
> the pathetic lame-brained dolts that they are.
Do you not realize that studies have shown that people will continue to commit suicide by other means if you take away guns?
Do you not realize that guns are used millions of times each year to prevent a crime, normally without a shot being fired?
Do you not realize that punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty is morally wrong?
Do you not realize that you are not the morally superior person you claim to be?
Do you not realize that gun owners are not the morally inferior persons you claim they are?
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
RUN AWAY!!!
()
Date: December 15, 2018 12:02PM
^^^ Crazed emotional rant by a typical NRA-tarded asshole. 40,000 gun-related deaths in 2017. Those are the facts according to CDC. There's no getting away from that number. 40,000 people dead because of guns. In one year.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
NoMo
()
Date: December 15, 2018 12:57PM
^^^ Crazed emotional rant by a typical AntiGun-tarded asshole.
Taking away guns won't stop the killing. London, until last month, had a higher murder rate than NYC. They use knives. Taking away guns won't stop the suicides. They strangle themselves, cut themselves, use pills, etc. London's gun murder rate is several times what it was before gun control. Criminals will get guns, and will use them to kill,
Your policies will ONLY DISARM GOOD PEOPLE, not the criminals. There are 300,000,000 guns in the US. Even if all your 40k were murders, that is only 0.013% used illegally. Penalizing everyone else is MORALLY WRONG. Leaving them defenseless will increase the crime rate. Your policies may make you feel good, but they do harm.
VA has a murder rate of 4/100k, MD is 7.6/100k and DC is 12/100k. They have stricter gun control and it is killing them. Your focus on gun control is killing people. If you care as much as you claim, go after the criminals, not the law abiding people. Punishing the law abiding is MORALLY BANKRUPT. Why do you insist on it?
Taking away guns won't stop the killing. London, until last month, had a higher murder rate than NYC. They use knives. Taking away guns won't stop the suicides. They strangle themselves, cut themselves, use pills, etc. London's gun murder rate is several times what it was before gun control. Criminals will get guns, and will use them to kill,
Your policies will ONLY DISARM GOOD PEOPLE, not the criminals. There are 300,000,000 guns in the US. Even if all your 40k were murders, that is only 0.013% used illegally. Penalizing everyone else is MORALLY WRONG. Leaving them defenseless will increase the crime rate. Your policies may make you feel good, but they do harm.
VA has a murder rate of 4/100k, MD is 7.6/100k and DC is 12/100k. They have stricter gun control and it is killing them. Your focus on gun control is killing people. If you care as much as you claim, go after the criminals, not the law abiding people. Punishing the law abiding is MORALLY BANKRUPT. Why do you insist on it?
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
tangled web.
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Date: December 15, 2018 01:07PM
Please be nice and keep in mind that these gun owners are victims and should be treated as such. Something bad happened to them usually in their childhood. They live in fear every day and guns help them cope with this overwhelming fear and cowardice. Sadly many of these gun cowards end up going to prison or getting maimed or killed because of the guns that they depend on so much. It is a vicious cycle. Try to show some compassion for these poor people.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
GUNS = DEATH
()
Date: December 15, 2018 01:14PM
Oh boy! No one has called for taking away guns. It is your own tiny little ever-malfunctioning brain that leapt to such a conclusion. The facts according to CDC are that there were just about 40,000 gun-related deaths in the US in 2017. That sort of slaughter would be off the charts in any other wealthy country. Have a look. See if you can at least begin to understand the problem.....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/05/us-gun-violence-charts-data#img-1
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/05/us-gun-violence-charts-data#img-1
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
YOU = RETARD
()
Date: December 15, 2018 01:34PM
the guardian.....lol
You'd be more believable if you sited MAD magazine.
You'd be more believable if you sited MAD magazine.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
QuickDrawFruppie
()
Date: December 15, 2018 01:35PM
tangled web. Wrote:
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> Please be nice and keep in mind that these gun
> owners are victims and should be treated as such.
> Something bad happened to them usually in their
> childhood. They live in fear every day and guns
> help them cope with this overwhelming fear and
> cowardice. Sadly many of these gun cowards end up
> going to prison or getting maimed or killed
> because of the guns that they depend on so much.
> It is a vicious cycle. Try to show some compassion
> for these poor people.
You're stupid.
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> Please be nice and keep in mind that these gun
> owners are victims and should be treated as such.
> Something bad happened to them usually in their
> childhood. They live in fear every day and guns
> help them cope with this overwhelming fear and
> cowardice. Sadly many of these gun cowards end up
> going to prison or getting maimed or killed
> because of the guns that they depend on so much.
> It is a vicious cycle. Try to show some compassion
> for these poor people.
You're stupid.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
QuickDrawFruppie
()
Date: December 15, 2018 01:35PM
tangled web. Wrote:
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> Please be nice and keep in mind that these gun
> owners are victims and should be treated as such.
> Something bad happened to them usually in their
> childhood. They live in fear every day and guns
> help them cope with this overwhelming fear and
> cowardice. Sadly many of these gun cowards end up
> going to prison or getting maimed or killed
> because of the guns that they depend on so much.
> It is a vicious cycle. Try to show some compassion
> for these poor people.
You're stupid.
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> Please be nice and keep in mind that these gun
> owners are victims and should be treated as such.
> Something bad happened to them usually in their
> childhood. They live in fear every day and guns
> help them cope with this overwhelming fear and
> cowardice. Sadly many of these gun cowards end up
> going to prison or getting maimed or killed
> because of the guns that they depend on so much.
> It is a vicious cycle. Try to show some compassion
> for these poor people.
You're stupid.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
What's worse than awful...
()
Date: December 15, 2018 01:44PM
Nice argument, you incompetent fathead loser. The chart appears in The Guardian, but was prepared by the Small Arms Survey which generates evidence-based, impartial, and policy-relevant knowledge and analysis on small arms and armed violence issues for governments, policy-makers, researchers, and civil society. The Survey is a project of the Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies in Geneva, Switzerland.
And you are once again shown to be a worthless ignorant douchebag too fucking stupid to understand even the simplest of the materials being laid before you.
And you are once again shown to be a worthless ignorant douchebag too fucking stupid to understand even the simplest of the materials being laid before you.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Angry boy blues
()
Date: December 15, 2018 01:56PM
What's worse than awful... Wrote:
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> Nice argument, you incompetent fathead loser. The
> chart appears in The Guardian, but was prepared by
> the Small Arms Survey which generates
> evidence-based, impartial, and policy-relevant
> knowledge and analysis on small arms and armed
> violence issues for governments, policy-makers,
> researchers, and civil society. The Survey is a
> project of the Graduate Institute of International
> and Development Studies in Geneva, Switzerland.
>
> And you are once again shown to be a worthless
> ignorant douchebag too fucking stupid to
> understand even the simplest of the materials
> being laid before you.
Wow, impressive. Too bad it's all cooked up numbers to make a point. I believe the other poster got it correct. Go fuck yourself. Good day sir.
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> Nice argument, you incompetent fathead loser. The
> chart appears in The Guardian, but was prepared by
> the Small Arms Survey which generates
> evidence-based, impartial, and policy-relevant
> knowledge and analysis on small arms and armed
> violence issues for governments, policy-makers,
> researchers, and civil society. The Survey is a
> project of the Graduate Institute of International
> and Development Studies in Geneva, Switzerland.
>
> And you are once again shown to be a worthless
> ignorant douchebag too fucking stupid to
> understand even the simplest of the materials
> being laid before you.
Wow, impressive. Too bad it's all cooked up numbers to make a point. I believe the other poster got it correct. Go fuck yourself. Good day sir.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
NoMo
()
Date: December 15, 2018 02:22PM
GUNS = DEATH Wrote:
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> Oh boy! No one has called for taking away guns.
> It is your own tiny little ever-malfunctioning
> brain that leapt to such a conclusion. The facts
> according to CDC are that there were just about
> 40,000 gun-related deaths in the US in 2017. That
> sort of slaughter would be off the charts in any
> other wealthy country. Have a look. See if you
> can at least begin to understand the problem.....
>
Your problem is that it's so easy to show you to be a liar.
Congressman Eric Swalwell, a Democrat from California, has gun control — and specifically gun bans — in his sights.
The Congressman is working on legislation to rid our communities of firearms of any kind. Unlike previous gun ban proposals by Democrats, Swalwell’s legislation does NOT allow for the so-called grandfathering in of currently owned firearms. His proposal include confiscation of privately owned firearms.
Note that NO democrats have come forward and condemned his proposal. They have been silent. Also note it references previous gun ban proposals. Democrats have a long history of using Jim Crow tactics when they couldn't get a complete ban on something - just ask blacks. Magazine restrictions, banning certain types of popular firearms, id to buy ammunition, special taxes, etc are all part of the effort by dems to Jim Crow gun owners. None of these ideas reduces crime or keeps criminals from getting guns. Banning the sale of certain types while grandfathering existing guns is a ban in slow motion. That proposal is commonly made by anti gunners. Your claim that no one is trying to ban guns or take them away is BS.
From the Daily KOS:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban-Guns-A-step-by-step-long-term-process
How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process
The only way we can truly be safe and prevent further gun violence is to ban civilian ownership of all guns. That means everything. No pistols, no revolvers, no semiautomatic or automatic rifles. No bolt action. No breaking actions or falling blocks. Nothing. This is the only thing that we can possibly do to keep our children safe from both mass murder and common street violence.
Unfortunately, right now we can't. The political will is there, but the institutions are not. Honestly, this is a good thing. If we passed a law tomorrow banning all firearms, we would have massive noncompliance. What we need to do is establish the regulatory and informational institutions first. This is how we do it:
Here's a link to a list of gun banners:
http://gunssavelives.net/blog/gun-laws/no-one-wants-to-ban-or-confiscate-guns-huh-these-quotes-from-anti-gun-leaders-say-otherwise/
Here's another:
Bernie Sanders Calls for Sweeping Gun Ban That Would Outlaw All Self-Defense Firearms
In an apparent primary-season about-face on Sunday’s episode of NBC’s Meet the Press, Sanders radically adjusted his position on guns and advocated for a sweeping gun ban that would outlaw most firearms designed for home and self defense.
http://truthinmedia.com/bernie-sanders-calls-for-sweeping-gun-ban-that-would-outlaw-all-self-defense-firearms/
It's hard to have a serious conversation with people who use name calling, distortion and lies to 'prove' their point. Unfortunately, that's what we encounter when we deal with the anti gun movement.
MD has stricter gun control and a higher murder rate.
DC has stricter gun control and a higher murder rate.
If your proposals saved lives, that wouldn't happen. If guns caused crime, there would be a lot more of it. Guns are a tool that can be used for good and evil. You distort the facts by refusing to acknowledge the good they do and the lives saved by them.
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> Oh boy! No one has called for taking away guns.
> It is your own tiny little ever-malfunctioning
> brain that leapt to such a conclusion. The facts
> according to CDC are that there were just about
> 40,000 gun-related deaths in the US in 2017. That
> sort of slaughter would be off the charts in any
> other wealthy country. Have a look. See if you
> can at least begin to understand the problem.....
>
Your problem is that it's so easy to show you to be a liar.
Congressman Eric Swalwell, a Democrat from California, has gun control — and specifically gun bans — in his sights.
The Congressman is working on legislation to rid our communities of firearms of any kind. Unlike previous gun ban proposals by Democrats, Swalwell’s legislation does NOT allow for the so-called grandfathering in of currently owned firearms. His proposal include confiscation of privately owned firearms.
Note that NO democrats have come forward and condemned his proposal. They have been silent. Also note it references previous gun ban proposals. Democrats have a long history of using Jim Crow tactics when they couldn't get a complete ban on something - just ask blacks. Magazine restrictions, banning certain types of popular firearms, id to buy ammunition, special taxes, etc are all part of the effort by dems to Jim Crow gun owners. None of these ideas reduces crime or keeps criminals from getting guns. Banning the sale of certain types while grandfathering existing guns is a ban in slow motion. That proposal is commonly made by anti gunners. Your claim that no one is trying to ban guns or take them away is BS.
From the Daily KOS:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban-Guns-A-step-by-step-long-term-process
How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process
The only way we can truly be safe and prevent further gun violence is to ban civilian ownership of all guns. That means everything. No pistols, no revolvers, no semiautomatic or automatic rifles. No bolt action. No breaking actions or falling blocks. Nothing. This is the only thing that we can possibly do to keep our children safe from both mass murder and common street violence.
Unfortunately, right now we can't. The political will is there, but the institutions are not. Honestly, this is a good thing. If we passed a law tomorrow banning all firearms, we would have massive noncompliance. What we need to do is establish the regulatory and informational institutions first. This is how we do it:
Here's a link to a list of gun banners:
http://gunssavelives.net/blog/gun-laws/no-one-wants-to-ban-or-confiscate-guns-huh-these-quotes-from-anti-gun-leaders-say-otherwise/
Here's another:
Bernie Sanders Calls for Sweeping Gun Ban That Would Outlaw All Self-Defense Firearms
In an apparent primary-season about-face on Sunday’s episode of NBC’s Meet the Press, Sanders radically adjusted his position on guns and advocated for a sweeping gun ban that would outlaw most firearms designed for home and self defense.
http://truthinmedia.com/bernie-sanders-calls-for-sweeping-gun-ban-that-would-outlaw-all-self-defense-firearms/
It's hard to have a serious conversation with people who use name calling, distortion and lies to 'prove' their point. Unfortunately, that's what we encounter when we deal with the anti gun movement.
MD has stricter gun control and a higher murder rate.
DC has stricter gun control and a higher murder rate.
If your proposals saved lives, that wouldn't happen. If guns caused crime, there would be a lot more of it. Guns are a tool that can be used for good and evil. You distort the facts by refusing to acknowledge the good they do and the lives saved by them.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
What's worse than awful...
()
Date: December 15, 2018 02:23PM
What a hapless dumbass! The numbers are rock solid. Just like your petrified brain.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
NoMo
()
Date: December 15, 2018 02:27PM
tangled web. Wrote:
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> Please be nice and keep in mind that these gun
> owners are victims and should be treated as such.
> Something bad happened to them usually in their
> childhood. They live in fear every day and guns
> help them cope with this overwhelming fear and
> cowardice. Sadly many of these gun cowards end up
> going to prison or getting maimed or killed
> because of the guns that they depend on so much.
> It is a vicious cycle. Try to show some compassion
> for these poor people.
And what does a smarmy attempt at analysis by a psycho tell us about your personality defects?
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> Please be nice and keep in mind that these gun
> owners are victims and should be treated as such.
> Something bad happened to them usually in their
> childhood. They live in fear every day and guns
> help them cope with this overwhelming fear and
> cowardice. Sadly many of these gun cowards end up
> going to prison or getting maimed or killed
> because of the guns that they depend on so much.
> It is a vicious cycle. Try to show some compassion
> for these poor people.
And what does a smarmy attempt at analysis by a psycho tell us about your personality defects?
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
GUNS = DEATH
()
Date: December 15, 2018 02:37PM
NoMo Wrote:
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\> Your problem is that it's so easy to show you to be a liar.
LOL! None of any of that slop had been introduced at any point in this thread. There had been NO prior mention of gun-banning at all, but when trapped, weak-ass dumbshits like you -- lacking any actually relevant arguments to make -- just turn to irrelevant reams of bullshit where you hope you can somehow fare a little better. Well, you can shove all that slop right up your flabby worthless and incompetent ass.
FACT: According to CDC, there were nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths in the US last year. Shameful.
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\> Your problem is that it's so easy to show you to be a liar.
LOL! None of any of that slop had been introduced at any point in this thread. There had been NO prior mention of gun-banning at all, but when trapped, weak-ass dumbshits like you -- lacking any actually relevant arguments to make -- just turn to irrelevant reams of bullshit where you hope you can somehow fare a little better. Well, you can shove all that slop right up your flabby worthless and incompetent ass.
FACT: According to CDC, there were nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths in the US last year. Shameful.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
bottom line here..........
()
Date: December 15, 2018 02:38PM
.....Gun Culture is nothing more than a sociopathic Wimp Culture populated by chickenshits who can’t take a punch.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Guns are a losing strategy
()
Date: December 15, 2018 02:47PM
FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR. And a little bit of STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID. A decent home security system would offer the frightened better protection at both lower risk and lower cost.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
The Facts
()
Date: December 15, 2018 02:53PM
"During 2000--2002, the Task Force on Community Preventive Services (the Task Force), an independent nonfederal task force, conducted a systematic review of scientific evidence regarding the effectiveness of firearms laws in preventing violence, including violent crimes, suicide, and unintentional injury. The Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearm laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
NoMo
()
Date: December 15, 2018 02:55PM
GUNS = DEATH Wrote:
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> NoMo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> \> Your problem is that it's so easy to show you
> to be a liar.
>
> LOL! None of any of that slop had been introduced
> at any point in this thread. There had been NO
> prior mention of gun-banning at all, but when
> trapped, weak-ass dumbshits like you -- lacking
> any actually relevant arguments to make -- just
> turn to irrelevant reams of bullshit where you
> hope you can somehow fare a little better. Well,
> you can shove all that slop right up your flabby
> worthless and incompetent ass.
>
> FACT: According to CDC, there were nearly 40,000
> gun-related deaths in the US last year.
> Shameful.
You're the one who wrote:
Oh boy! No one has called for taking away guns.
I proved the statement false. Not only then, but you continue to lie. If you are worried about the gun suicides, the only way to stop them is to ban all guns. No one can know what someone will do 10 years from now with a gun he is allowed to buy today. If he decides to suicide, he already has the gun. The only way to prevent that is to ban all guns. Either you are too stupid to see that, or you are lying about banning guns. Which is it? Are you a fucking liar or a fucking dumb ass?
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> NoMo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> \> Your problem is that it's so easy to show you
> to be a liar.
>
> LOL! None of any of that slop had been introduced
> at any point in this thread. There had been NO
> prior mention of gun-banning at all, but when
> trapped, weak-ass dumbshits like you -- lacking
> any actually relevant arguments to make -- just
> turn to irrelevant reams of bullshit where you
> hope you can somehow fare a little better. Well,
> you can shove all that slop right up your flabby
> worthless and incompetent ass.
>
> FACT: According to CDC, there were nearly 40,000
> gun-related deaths in the US last year.
> Shameful.
You're the one who wrote:
Oh boy! No one has called for taking away guns.
I proved the statement false. Not only then, but you continue to lie. If you are worried about the gun suicides, the only way to stop them is to ban all guns. No one can know what someone will do 10 years from now with a gun he is allowed to buy today. If he decides to suicide, he already has the gun. The only way to prevent that is to ban all guns. Either you are too stupid to see that, or you are lying about banning guns. Which is it? Are you a fucking liar or a fucking dumb ass?
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
GUNS = DEATH
()
Date: December 15, 2018 03:11PM
NoMo Wrote:
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> You're the one who wrote:
> Oh boy! No one has called for taking away guns.
> I proved the statement false.
Stop being such a dickless wimp. There were no calls to take away guns. But pathetic ass-jacked jerks like you cannot deal with something so simple as the fact of CDC's noting that there were nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths in the US last year. So you proceed to piss all over yourself in trying to run off into the weeds instead of facing up to the actual problems that we face. That makes you nothing more than a lying whiny-ass coward, so sit back and chew on that fat for a while.
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> You're the one who wrote:
> Oh boy! No one has called for taking away guns.
> I proved the statement false.
Stop being such a dickless wimp. There were no calls to take away guns. But pathetic ass-jacked jerks like you cannot deal with something so simple as the fact of CDC's noting that there were nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths in the US last year. So you proceed to piss all over yourself in trying to run off into the weeds instead of facing up to the actual problems that we face. That makes you nothing more than a lying whiny-ass coward, so sit back and chew on that fat for a while.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Dumb Ass
()
Date: December 15, 2018 03:18PM
GUNS = DEATH Wrote:
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> NoMo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You're the one who wrote:
> > Oh boy! No one has called for taking away
> guns.
> > I proved the statement false.
>
> Stop being such a dickless wimp. There were no
> calls to take away guns. But pathetic ass-jacked
> jerks like you cannot deal with something so
> simple as the fact of CDC's noting that there were
> nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths in the US last
> year. So you proceed to piss all over yourself in
> trying to run off into the weeds instead of facing
> up to the actual problems that we face. That
> makes you nothing more than a lying whiny-ass
> coward, so sit back and chew on that fat for a
> while.
Stop being a FUCKING LYING RETARD. The more LIES you post, the more people that see through them.
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> NoMo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You're the one who wrote:
> > Oh boy! No one has called for taking away
> guns.
> > I proved the statement false.
>
> Stop being such a dickless wimp. There were no
> calls to take away guns. But pathetic ass-jacked
> jerks like you cannot deal with something so
> simple as the fact of CDC's noting that there were
> nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths in the US last
> year. So you proceed to piss all over yourself in
> trying to run off into the weeds instead of facing
> up to the actual problems that we face. That
> makes you nothing more than a lying whiny-ass
> coward, so sit back and chew on that fat for a
> while.
Stop being a FUCKING LYING RETARD. The more LIES you post, the more people that see through them.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
GUNS = DEATH
()
Date: December 15, 2018 03:23PM
You're an ignorant dick who has no fucking case to make. Do us all a favor and FLUSH yourself.
REMINDER TO ALL DUMBSHITS: According to CDC, there were nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths in the US last year. 40,000. In one year.
REMINDER TO ALL DUMBSHITS: According to CDC, there were nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths in the US last year. 40,000. In one year.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
NoMo
()
Date: December 15, 2018 03:24PM
GUNS = DEATH Wrote:
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> NoMo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You're the one who wrote:
> > Oh boy! No one has called for taking away
> guns.
> > I proved the statement false.
>
> Stop being such a dickless wimp. There were no
> calls to take away guns. But pathetic ass-jacked
> jerks like you cannot deal with something so
> simple as the fact of CDC's noting that there were
> nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths in the US last
> year. So you proceed to piss all over yourself in
> trying to run off into the weeds instead of facing
> up to the actual problems that we face. That
> makes you nothing more than a lying whiny-ass
> coward, so sit back and chew on that fat for a
> while.
Then what are you calling for?
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> NoMo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You're the one who wrote:
> > Oh boy! No one has called for taking away
> guns.
> > I proved the statement false.
>
> Stop being such a dickless wimp. There were no
> calls to take away guns. But pathetic ass-jacked
> jerks like you cannot deal with something so
> simple as the fact of CDC's noting that there were
> nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths in the US last
> year. So you proceed to piss all over yourself in
> trying to run off into the weeds instead of facing
> up to the actual problems that we face. That
> makes you nothing more than a lying whiny-ass
> coward, so sit back and chew on that fat for a
> while.
Then what are you calling for?
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
netural 1
()
Date: December 15, 2018 03:28PM
You guys are never going to change anyone else's mind either way. Jesus , read a book or something.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
GUNS = DEATH
()
Date: December 15, 2018 03:37PM
NoMo Wrote:
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> Then what are you calling for?
I haven't called for ANYTHING, you pathetic moron, and I don't have to. All I need do here is point out to the extremely weak-minded that the CDC has reported that there were nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths in the US last year.
Now go ahead and regurgitate some more worthless bits of irrelevant nonsense.
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> Then what are you calling for?
I haven't called for ANYTHING, you pathetic moron, and I don't have to. All I need do here is point out to the extremely weak-minded that the CDC has reported that there were nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths in the US last year.
Now go ahead and regurgitate some more worthless bits of irrelevant nonsense.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
NoMo
()
Date: December 15, 2018 03:41PM
GUNS = DEATH Wrote:
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> NoMo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Then what are you calling for?
>
> I haven't called for ANYTHING, you pathetic moron,
> and I don't have to. All I need do here is point
> out to the extremely weak-minded that the CDC has
> reported that there were nearly 40,000 gun-related
> deaths in the US last year.
>
> Now go ahead and regurgitate some more worthless
> bits of irrelevant nonsense.
So, it's just a meaningless statistic. And you just posted it here because it's a rainy day and you were at the computer. Got it.
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> NoMo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Then what are you calling for?
>
> I haven't called for ANYTHING, you pathetic moron,
> and I don't have to. All I need do here is point
> out to the extremely weak-minded that the CDC has
> reported that there were nearly 40,000 gun-related
> deaths in the US last year.
>
> Now go ahead and regurgitate some more worthless
> bits of irrelevant nonsense.
So, it's just a meaningless statistic. And you just posted it here because it's a rainy day and you were at the computer. Got it.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
netural 1
()
Date: December 15, 2018 03:44PM
GUNS = DEATH Wrote:
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> NoMo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Then what are you calling for?
>
> I haven't called for ANYTHING, you pathetic moron,
> and I don't have to. All I need do here is point
> out to the extremely weak-minded that the CDC has
> reported that there were nearly 40,000 gun-related
> deaths in the US last year.
>
> Now go ahead and regurgitate some more worthless
> bits of irrelevant nonsense.
You just keep torturing away and he keeps falling for it. You are really good at trolling! I guess it helps too that he is mildly retarded.
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> NoMo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Then what are you calling for?
>
> I haven't called for ANYTHING, you pathetic moron,
> and I don't have to. All I need do here is point
> out to the extremely weak-minded that the CDC has
> reported that there were nearly 40,000 gun-related
> deaths in the US last year.
>
> Now go ahead and regurgitate some more worthless
> bits of irrelevant nonsense.
You just keep torturing away and he keeps falling for it. You are really good at trolling! I guess it helps too that he is mildly retarded.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
n
()
Date: December 15, 2018 04:05PM
netural 1 Wrote:
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> GUNS = DEATH Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NoMo Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Then what are you calling for?
> >
> > I haven't called for ANYTHING, you pathetic
> moron,
> > and I don't have to. All I need do here is
> point
> > out to the extremely weak-minded that the CDC
> has
> > reported that there were nearly 40,000
> gun-related
> > deaths in the US last year.
> >
> > Now go ahead and regurgitate some more
> worthless
> > bits of irrelevant nonsense.
>
>
> You just keep torturing away and he keeps falling
> for it. You are really good at trolling! I guess
> it helps too that he is mildly retarded.
I resent the 'mildly retarded' comment. I have been told by many here, who claim to have impeccable credentials, that I am a full blown retard. Please show respect for my achievement.
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> GUNS = DEATH Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NoMo Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Then what are you calling for?
> >
> > I haven't called for ANYTHING, you pathetic
> moron,
> > and I don't have to. All I need do here is
> point
> > out to the extremely weak-minded that the CDC
> has
> > reported that there were nearly 40,000
> gun-related
> > deaths in the US last year.
> >
> > Now go ahead and regurgitate some more
> worthless
> > bits of irrelevant nonsense.
>
>
> You just keep torturing away and he keeps falling
> for it. You are really good at trolling! I guess
> it helps too that he is mildly retarded.
I resent the 'mildly retarded' comment. I have been told by many here, who claim to have impeccable credentials, that I am a full blown retard. Please show respect for my achievement.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
MoreBang
()
Date: December 18, 2018 11:55AM
GUNS = DEATH Wrote:
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> You're an ignorant dick who has no fucking case to
> make. Do us all a favor and FLUSH yourself.
>
> REMINDER TO ALL DUMBSHITS: According to CDC,
> there were nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths in the
> US last year. 40,000. In one year.
Not enough.
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> You're an ignorant dick who has no fucking case to
> make. Do us all a favor and FLUSH yourself.
>
> REMINDER TO ALL DUMBSHITS: According to CDC,
> there were nearly 40,000 gun-related deaths in the
> US last year. 40,000. In one year.
Not enough.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Check the locations
()
Date: December 21, 2018 02:29AM
More than half of those shot were in half a dozen major US cities.
Chicago, Baltimore etc.
Dope slingers killing each other over dope deals. We should be supplying them with free bullets.
Chicago, Baltimore etc.
Dope slingers killing each other over dope deals. We should be supplying them with free bullets.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
Mike huntt
()
Date: December 21, 2018 07:08AM
The most dangerous for a nigger is in the womb
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
LoL @ progtard hysterics
()
Date: December 21, 2018 07:31AM
NoMo Wrote:
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> A common gun control myth about mass shootings is
> based on faulty research. For FACTS, not fiction
> see here;
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=lX
> GgI2E5JUw
We need our guns so that when the time comes, yours and all the other prog traitors' times come. Pol-pot style. Bye bye ms. American pie. Because by now, it's apparent to most of us that voting isn't working anymore.
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> A common gun control myth about mass shootings is
> based on faulty research. For FACTS, not fiction
> see here;
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=lX
> GgI2E5JUw
We need our guns so that when the time comes, yours and all the other prog traitors' times come. Pol-pot style. Bye bye ms. American pie. Because by now, it's apparent to most of us that voting isn't working anymore.
Re: A Common Gun Control Myth Debunked
Posted by:
"Classical Liberal"
()
Date: December 22, 2018 02:15PM
