Any new developments regarding the $12 million dollar lawsuit filed by the parents?
Any replies appreciated. Thanks!

http://justiceforsal.com/

Still no justice.

Two sides to every story.... we sure as hell aren't getting both of them. Let me guess, the guy who just so happened to be under the investigation by the FBI is completely innocent. I got some swampland in Arizona for cheap while you're at it!

why would anyone want to buy swampland, in arizona or anywhere? that makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine

lesson learned...Do not be a bookie in Fairfax County.....

JDog Wrote:
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> Two sides to every story.... we sure as hell
> aren't getting both of them. Let me guess, the
> guy who just so happened to be under the
> investigation by the FBI is completely innocent.
> I got some swampland in Arizona for cheap while
> you're at it!


There ain't two sides to this story....unless you're advocating summary, on the spot, execution for criminal suspects.

Culosi's guilt or innocence has absolutely nothing to do with it.

This cop should be, at the very minimum, fired. I hope Sal's family wins a judgement against the County that is large enough to make the PD change their policies.

Don't look for developments in the lawsuit for years. This will take at least another year, if not three. You guys think the criminal system is bad, try the civil system.

HAHhAhA I suppose his family is suing since they won't have the hundreds of thousands of illegal income supporting their expensive tastes. HAHhAhA No blu-ray this Christmas....

haha yea...I kinda felt bad for the guy, but then after I saw that website, I'm glad!!

Apparently the captain's report on the unintentional shooting case will be released later today. The family will have the opportunity to review it first but the police will later do a media release.

Here's a link to the report (pdf file):

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/pdf/community-report-salvatore-culosi.pdf

Jdog wrote:
"the guy who just so happened to be under the investigation by the FBI"


Y was this guy being investigated by the FBI?
Drugs? Computer fraud? Gambling? Child porn?

You put yourself in a situation where a swat team has to take you down. Oh well. TFB. One less criminal on the streets. His family needs to get over themselves.

Boohoo Wrote:
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> You put yourself in a situation where a swat team
> has to take you down.

You are a dumbshit. He walked out of his front door, with his clear criminal history and all, and was taken down.

Full Transparency - Absolute Accountability - Preventive Change

That is what they ask for on their site. I read the report. Looks like they got all they asked for. I guess now they will rescind their demand for $12 million, because it isnt about the money. Or is it ?

"The 27-page report (pdf) from Police Chief David Rohrer says the special tactics were not needed, and lower risk, less complex tactics should have been employed when SWAT tried to arrest 37-year-old Salvatore Culosi last January." - WTOP

Again, as with Aaron Brown, authorities have listened to the arguments presented by myself and others of like mind here. And as with the Brown case the press can feel free to contact me via PM on this Web site. We now call for those who ordered the SWAT team to Mr. Culosi's residence to be held accountable.



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The Fairfax County Police Department just released a full investigative report available to all of the public regarding the Mr. Culosi incident. I encourage everyone to read it at www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police. It is under report to the public on the page.

According to the report, the SWAT team was authorized for the propensity of weapons inside the residence or on Culosi. There have been numerous incidents within this state and surrounding jurisdictions where there have been armed guards guarding the winnings and meetings for sports betting and various other gambling operations such as poker tournaments. The WTOP statement is a weak summary, and actually it's 41 pages not 27. Maybe you should read it before you say something you don't know about.

And, as with David Koresh, they could have nabbed him is lots of places other than his house if they were worried he had several weapons at the house.

You know, I would feel a whole lot better about living in this county if pgens, Gravis, and a few others on this site would go to the police academy, pin on a badge and become a cop. Since you all know how to do it so much better the county would have to be a much better place with you on the job.

If you are saying that being a police officer means one cannot have common sense then I'd agree. But it doesn't take a lot of hard thinking for someone to come to the conclusion that a safer arrest would be one located away from any weaponry the suspect may have stashed, don't you think? They could have gotten him coming out of his office, for instance.

I have great respect for police officers... as I have always contended in this case, the blame lies with the superiors who ordered this outrageous show of force.

This part is bullshit

Some will question why MPO Bullock cannot explain exactly how he discharged
his weapon. Given that the act was clearly unintentional; that it occurred so
suddenly; and that his focus was on Mr. Culosi, it is plausible that he would not
have specific recall. Memory loss or distortion is also often associated with
traumatic events. To his credit, MPO Bullock has never offered either excuses or
speculation and has cooperated fully with investigators throughout this
investigation.

Richard Wrote:
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> You know, I would feel a whole lot better about
> living in this county if pgens, Gravis, and a few
> others on this site would go to the police
> academy, pin on a badge and become a cop. Since
> you all know how to do it so much better the
> county would have to be a much better place with
> you on the job.

And it could be filmed for a reality tv show. They would call it "Armed and Stupid" or something like that....

Pgens -

What in the world (that apparently revolves around you) possibly makes you think that any member of the media would be interested in your neophytic opinion of this issue? And how in the world could you ever think that YOUR opinion has been so much as acknowledged - much less considered and acted upon?

The opinions and conclusions presented in the release where that of the PD based on investigation, analysis, and consult with subject matter experts. Clearly based on your post (here and elsewhere) you were not involved in the process, nor are you a subject matter expert.

In the event that I am wrong and you are a member of academia that studies use of force and accidental discharge (which I do not truly consider experts because they have no real-world experience to contectualize events such as this), or a salty-dog officer with intimate knowledge of this incident (in which case, beer is on me, name a time and place so I can pick your brain) I apologize. Otherwise, save the pontificating to the true experts, and watch your head getting off your high-horse.

If you think that public opinion effected the outcome or content of the report, then you are basically stating that the report was intentionally biased in favor of said opinion and not on fact.

You have grossly misinterpreted the findings being consistent with pervasive public opinion as cow-towing to it, rather than acknowledging that the truth in this case, and the proper course of action after the fact just happens to be consistent with it.

Economist - Same applies. Do some research. The phenomenon of "limited recall" which you call bullshit has been thoroughly researched and published. Just because you remember how you dropped your starbucks on your lap this morning (which some would consider traumatic, others a blessing) isnt the same.

Well said, IM, well said.

Personally I'm waiting on them to release the officers name. I would like to send him a gift card and a thank you note for a job well done.

IM Wrote:
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> Pgens -
>
> What in the world (that apparently revolves around
> you) possibly makes you think that any member of
> the media would be interested in your neophytic
> opinion of this issue? And how in the world could
> you ever think that YOUR opinion has been so much
> as acknowledged - much less considered and acted
> upon?

Funny, as much as I have seen my own name printed in the Washington Post concerning these issues I have a different opinion. But you can buy yourself a beer :)

So your real name is Tom Jackoff? I mean, Jackman, the Op-ed extraordinaire himself? If you are getting all this free press, why the compulsion to post side-bar comments anonymously here?

Your name in the paper makes you no more an expert than your name, or mine does appearing here. The only thing that proves is that you have the ear (or eye) of someone at a historically liberal news source.

That being said, I respect your views even if I do not agree with them, and this website is a great sounding board for intellectual (sometimes...ha) discourse and debate.

You know another thing that's total bullshit is the appeals process. Virginia is a right to work state. Fucking police unions! If I fuck up at my job, my ass is grass. I'm out of there. Fired. This guy shoots and kills someone because he is a careless sheep, and still keeps his job. Wow.

IM Wrote:
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> So your real name is Tom Jackoff? I mean,
> Jackman, the Op-ed extraordinaire himself? If you
> are getting all this free press, why the
> compulsion to post side-bar comments anonymously
> here?
>
> Your name in the paper makes you no more an expert
> than your name, or mine does appearing here. The
> only thing that proves is that you have the ear
> (or eye) of someone at a historically liberal news
> source.
>
> That being said, I respect your views even if I do
> not agree with them, and this website is a great
> sounding board for intellectual (sometimes...ha)
> discourse and debate.

My reasons for posting here are my own, just like anyone else. As for expertise, ask yourself why the conclusions I posted regarding placing oneself in harm's way to fire upon a vehicle claiming self defense, as well as excessive force as a bad decision, appeared in the final reports. HMMM..... no, no expert here.

You are right, this site is a good sounding board, and I don't expect everyone to agree with me even if the final reports on these two cases did.

Pgens -

Essentially then, you are saying all in the community who share your opinion (and there are many) are also experts?

Or are you disillusioned to the point that your "expert" opinion, allegedly presented in the paper had the power to create public opinion and effect the reports?

Again, the two cases agreed with you based on things way beyond and above your opinion.

I think crisco in large quantities is good for the heart. Published it 5 yrs ago. American Medical Association just published a report that agreed with me. Must have been because of what I said....

From what I heard the victim walked out the front foor of his house in a bathrobe and was unarmed. He was not aggressive or resisting.

_IF_ that is true, the shooting victim could have been an axe murderer and this would still be a negligent act on the part of the cop. It's a simple rule: keep your booger hook off the bang switch until you intend to fire the weapon, period. Until that time you place your trigger finger along the side of the receiver so that no matter how nervous you are, even if you trip and fall the weapon will not discharge. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

And you shouldn't make any excuses for cops who act in an undisciplined manner like this, nor the officials who dispatch SWAT teams for every threat they think might be hiding in their bedroom closets. We give them special privileges and powers to do their jobs, and they must remember that they must serve the public, not rule it. People with special privileges must be held to a tougher standard and punished appropriately when they abuse those privileges or violate the law. Excessive worship or praise of "our brave police officers" only makes them feel more at ease in bending the rules.

Nor should you take the attitude that this guy deserved to get killed "for putting himself in a position to have a SWAT team show up". This could happen to you or anyone else. All it takes is for your vindictive neighbor to drop a dime and make something up. Protection of accused people against abusive cops and public officials is protection for us all.

IM Wrote:
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> Pgens -
>
> Essentially then, you are saying all in the
> community who share your opinion (and there are
> many) are also experts?

I don't recall asserting that, in fact I criticize posters like you on here all the time. I don't care what you think or what you believe about me at all... believe what you want.

The latest on this case -

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/fairfax/culosi-wrongful-death-trial-se.html

cherrytop Wrote:
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> why would anyone want to buy swampland, in arizona
> or anywhere? that makes about as much sense as a
> screen door on a submarine

Arizona is a dessert. If you can get swampland jump on it in a second. You can probably charge good money for the water rights.

Arizona is a dessert? Like chocolate cake?

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Astonished that FCPD has not settled this case. What is Bullock's possible defense in a wrongful death suit? His trigger finger slipped? That should be worth at least a million to FCPD in legal fees alone.

If you have the entire Fairfax County Government legal team at your disposable, you use it. That is why the legal process of asking for appeals upon appeals eventually works in a lot of cases. All it takes is one misstep by the other side and the loss could be counted in millions.

If only that much care and concern would have been taken when someone considered sending out an entire SWAT team to round up an unarmed Dentist, when a 39 cent letter would have sufficed.

Amanda Perry: kills a teacher by driving recklessly, put on admin leave. She steals from Fairfax while on admin leave by faking her time records. Finally they fire her and dock the money she stole.

Weiss Rasool: leaks information to terrorists. Keeps his job for ages, finally resigns.

Now Bullock.

And, all of this at taxpayers' expense.

Time for Rohrer to go.

I have wondered about the Amanda Perry situation. Employees on administrative leave are not permitted anywhere near their work station. They are required to remain at home or at a place where they can be reached easily. They are not supposed to work another job during their normal duty tour. I suspect that Amanda Perry took another job and she got caught at it.

When I was on administrative leave with pay, I DID work another job.


Fire Rohrer Wrote:

> Amanda Perry: kills a teacher by driving
> recklessly, put on admin leave. She steals from
> Fairfax while on admin leave by faking her time
> records. Finally they fire her and dock the money
> she stole.
>
>
>
> And, all of this at taxpayers' expense.
>
> Time for Rohrer to go.

Newsflash: Sal Culosi is still dead.

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> Newsflash: Sal Culosi is still dead.


Not what I heard......he was seen alive, kickin' it at Jaxx and smokin a bowl with some teacher.

Tired of this story. Why is his family asking for $12 million dollars? Is that how much his illegal enterprising would have brought in?

Glad he's gone. More pieces of shit should accidentally be shot. The end.

An Officer I know, knows the cop responsible for shooting the dentist. He said that he accidentally fired his service weapon, when his car door came back and bumped him (From having been flung open). I was assured that he wasn't the type of guy to abuse people, or to be vindictive, rage prone, etc., but it sounds like a piss poor excuse if you ask me.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

This officer did exactly what he had been trained not to do and shot the suspect in the chest. At best, this is a serious lack of discipline and at worst it's murder.

If I'd been the lead IA investigator, the first question I would have asked was "Did it feel as good to kill somebody as you always thought it would?" (there are people who try to join the force for this reason) and see what reaction I got.

Rohrer doesn't know, and he has to assume the best or his force will turn against him and he won't be able to control them, so he put the officer in a position where he will never be able to point a gun at a suspect again, and I suspect will strongly encourage 20-year retirement.

Please tell us more about police department policies and how IA investigators should tailor their line of questioning, after your mother gets your breakfast ready of course.

If this guy was not a CRIMINAL, PD would not have any reason to even be in his neighborhood.

I'm with tomahawk: NO FINGER ON THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU MEAN TO SHOOT!!!! End of story. Basically the second rule of firearms safety. I find it totally amazing that a 17yr PD veteran failed to abide by that simple, mandatory, common sense rule. No wonder Fairfax settled the suit for $2M.

Maybe Fairfax SWAT should take some time to watch some Eddie Eagle training/safety videos: get back to the ABCs of gun safety.

Grapes Wrote:
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> I'm with tomahawk: NO FINGER ON THE TRIGGER UNTIL
> YOU MEAN TO SHOOT!!!! End of story. Basically the
> second rule of firearms safety. I find it totally
> amazing that a 17yr PD veteran failed to abide by
> that simple, mandatory, common sense rule. No
> wonder Fairfax settled the suit for $2M.
>
> Maybe Fairfax SWAT should take some time to watch
> some Eddie Eagle training/safety videos: get back
> to the ABCs of gun safety.

I'm on the other side of the fence. The world would be a much better place if all interactions with the police started with a hail of gunfire. Murder investigation? BLAM! Response to robbery? BLAM! Traffic stop? BLAM! Missing elderly person? BLAM!

Eventually we wouldn't need police anymore. We'd have utopia!

Two million.

Not a penny more.

honestly nobody in fairfax county should feel scared for their life. as long as you are obeying the law ont he road everything is fine. sal culosi would definitely have chosen 2-5 years in prison over losing his life.....just saying.

Has anyone done any personal research into this? The man who was killed started taking bets with his friends (50 here 100 there, and if anyone says they haven't bet on something with a friend you are full of it)...a police officer befriended him, and coerced him into taking bets and over the course of time got the bets high enough so that it crossed the minimum threshold to be considered illegal. He then lead a SWAT team to the deceased's house and that was when the "accident" happened. This officer who lead the team there KNEW the deceased to be a easy going man, who had no violent tendencies, and had up to that point a completely clean record. I do not argue that the crime of illegal gambling was committed, however, the way the warrant was served and the events that seemed to follow were simply gross negligence. The lawsuit that had been initially filed was because of issues including an initial failure to notify the family going so far as to forbid the hospital to call said family, this eventually led to the family's religious beliefs (Catholic's Sacrament of Last Rites) from being followed (which is something covered in our Constitution) finally leading to the officer who was a vet of 17 years who "mistakenly" shot this man not really being held accountable?

Those people out there who say "thank god another scumbag if off the streets" or something to that effect are really sitting on some sort of high perch. It is sickening to see people post things where they can wish death and suffering on others. Those sentiments are a major reason why our world today is filled the violence and hate it is.

"sal culosi would definitely have chosen 2-5 years in prison over losing his life"

Unless he had a history I doubt he would have gotten more than a year. the big hit is on the money side seizing his assests. Some vices that will always have clients, prostitution and gambling.
the point on this tragic incident is he never got his day in court so calling his a criminal is not correct.