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How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: btrfgvc ()
Date: April 10, 2018 04:52PM

My brother just moved to Falls Church, and I almost fell off my barstool when he told me the property tax on his home was $10,000. How do people do it?

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: A salted nut ()
Date: April 10, 2018 04:56PM

Getting a fat assed Government job certainly does not hurt...

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: causeican ()
Date: April 10, 2018 06:20PM

out the nose

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Expensive home ()
Date: April 10, 2018 06:33PM

Home must have assessed for at least $885k.

Yeah, own a house like that and be ready for a high property tax bill. Must be the nice areas of Falls Church.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: By the numbers ()
Date: April 10, 2018 07:41PM

This is actually a low-tax area overall.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: thats cheap ()
Date: April 10, 2018 08:46PM

City of Falls Church has a higher rate, though it's still reasonable considering their great schools. $10k a year isn't much when your crib is worth a million.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Greybeard ()
Date: April 10, 2018 08:51PM

By the numbers Wrote:
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> This is actually a low-tax area overall.

Yep. In-laws in western New York (Buffalo, not Manhattan) pay like $12K tax on a $300K house. We could do worse.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: even closer ()
Date: April 10, 2018 08:59PM

$10k a year is what you would pay in P.G county on a half million dollar home

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Queen Sharon B ()
Date: April 10, 2018 09:04PM

Enticing ms-13 to move here and accept free luxury housing is not cheap! Someone's gotta pay for my beloved illegals - YOU!

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: and the rest of the story ()
Date: April 10, 2018 09:17PM

Greybeard Wrote:
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> By the numbers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This is actually a low-tax area overall.
>
> Yep. In-laws in western New York (Buffalo, not
> Manhattan) pay like $12K tax on a $300K house. We
> could do worse.

What are their other tax rates compared to ours?

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: uptown brown ()
Date: April 11, 2018 05:03AM

Property taxes are low as shit here in backwoods, toothless Fairfax. Up in NYC (land of the real man) we paid some serious taxes.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Seeya ()
Date: April 11, 2018 05:14AM

uptown brown Wrote:
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> Property taxes are low as shit here in backwoods,
> toothless Fairfax. Up in NYC (land of the real
> man) we paid some serious taxes.


Yea? I think they’re calling you.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: NoVa wins! ()
Date: April 11, 2018 07:15AM

There are some advantages to living in the NYC area over living here. I just can't think what any of them are.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Go back to nyc bitch ()
Date: April 11, 2018 07:27AM

Seeya Wrote:
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> uptown brown Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Property taxes are low as shit here in
> backwoods,
> > toothless Fairfax. Up in NYC (land of the real
> > man) we paid some serious taxes.
>
>
> Yea? I think they’re calling you.

Fuck you!
Get that deposit back from Hilary’s win too!
Glass ceiling never shattered and never will!
Fuck nyc

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: big money ()
Date: April 11, 2018 11:20AM

Expensive home Wrote:
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> Home must have assessed for at least $885k.
>
> Yeah, own a house like that and be ready for a
> high property tax bill. Must be the nice areas of
> Falls Church.


You can't get a single family home in Falls Church City for much less than $600K - and at that price, it's a tear down.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Hanging in there ()
Date: April 11, 2018 11:42AM

I pay almost $8,000 per year in taxes on my residence. When I bought it the taxes were $1,500, and the tax rate was higher then. Fortunately my mortgage is paid off. What I cannot believe is how someone could afford to pay this much in taxes, plus pay a mortgage, plus pay $400-500 a month on top of that for homeowners dues.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Taxman ()
Date: April 11, 2018 11:48AM

Current residential tax rate in Falls Church City is $1.33 per hundred. In Fairfax County, it’s $1.13. In Arlington, it’s $0.993.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: How it works ()
Date: April 11, 2018 12:09PM

There are certainly people who cannot afford to live in this area. The rest of us do not owe them anything. We do however owe something to the essential support personnel required to make this the first-class area that it is.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fairfax City baby! ()
Date: April 11, 2018 12:16PM

Taxman Wrote:
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> Current residential tax rate in Falls Church City
> is $1.33 per hundred. In Fairfax County, it’s
> $1.13. In Arlington, it’s $0.993.


Don't forget Fairfax City. Tax rate is $1.06, and its a great place to live. Downtown rapidly getting revitalized with lots of trendy shops. Fairfax County School System. Decent bus loop and quick drive to Metrorail. Amazing trash pickup cooked into the property tax.

Only thin really missing is an upscale grocery store, albeit we should have that in a coupld years at Fairfax Circle.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Huh??? ()
Date: April 11, 2018 12:34PM

4% meals tax in Fairfax City, and you already have Shoppers Food Warehouse.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: wasteful fairfax ()
Date: April 11, 2018 12:53PM

Someones got to pay for those international fire fighting trips

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: On the road again ()
Date: April 11, 2018 01:00PM

Se have an elite Fire & Rescue Squad. Think of it as a travel soccer team.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fairfax City baby! ()
Date: April 11, 2018 02:16PM

Huh??? Wrote:
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> 4% meals tax in Fairfax City, and you already have
> Shoppers Food Warehouse.

Three words: Van Dyck Park
Another three word: Daniels Run Park

Very much worth the 4% meal tax....

SFW is serviceable, but we need a Whole Foods or Harris Teeter. Or an upscale Safeway or Giant like the Safeway on Nutley,

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: not hard ()
Date: April 11, 2018 04:47PM

Cash, check or credit card is the usual way

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: groverbingdon ()
Date: April 11, 2018 04:53PM

Many use to pimp their wives out on Backpage. Now that it is closed we are going to see a lot of new foreclosures.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Well... ()
Date: April 11, 2018 04:59PM

How it works Wrote:
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> There are certainly people who cannot afford to
> live in this area. The rest of us do not owe them
> anything. We do however owe something to the
> essential support personnel required to make this
> the first-class area that it is.


You don’t owe anyone anything, but in order to stay competitive for employers and young families looking to move in, lower taxes would be preferable. Fairfax is not Elysium. It should be made available for a wide range of people of varying means to live in.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: President Trump FTW! ()
Date: April 11, 2018 05:19PM

$10k is not bad. That's cheap. Must be a dump.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: hang yourself, please ()
Date: April 11, 2018 05:21PM

President Trump FTW! Wrote:
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> $10k is not bad. That's cheap. Must be a dump.


What is it to you what people pay in property taxes? You don't pay any seeing as you live in mommie's basement.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: President Trump FTW! ()
Date: April 11, 2018 05:24PM

hang yourself, please Wrote:
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> President Trump FTW! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > $10k is not bad. That's cheap. Must be a dump.
>
>
> What is it to you what people pay in property
> taxes? You don't pay any seeing as you live in
> mommie's basement.


I was responding to the OP you stupid cunt.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: President Trump FTW! ()
Date: April 11, 2018 05:32PM

wasteful fairfax Wrote:
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> Someones got to pay for those international fire
> fighting trips


As well as all the illegals.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Greybeard ()
Date: April 11, 2018 11:10PM

and the rest of the story Wrote:
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> What are their other tax rates compared to ours?

Not low. State sales tax is 8.875%. State income tax, 80K to 1M, is 6.65%.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Math rules ()
Date: April 12, 2018 08:18AM

President Trump FTW! Wrote:
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> As well as all the illegals.

Despite all the absurd Fake News put out there by right-wing noise machines, whether they are legal or not, immigrants pay all the same taxes that you do.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: grt ()
Date: April 12, 2018 08:25AM

NoVa wins! Wrote:
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> There are some advantages to living in the NYC
> area over living here. I just can't think what
> any of them are.


Butthurt?

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Poor baby... ()
Date: April 12, 2018 08:41AM

LOL! I am a wealthy retired person living well in a beautiful home in a low-tax area that offers a temperate climate and tons of top-flight amenities. Unlike at your house, there is neither room nor reason for butthurt here. I grew up in the NYC area by the way (Morris County NJ), and this is so much better than that.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Following this thread ()
Date: April 17, 2018 02:28PM

Following.....

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Just sayin'... ()
Date: April 18, 2018 07:42AM

Taxes here are reasonable. Paying them is not a problem.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Person with a job ()
Date: April 18, 2018 12:27PM

I usually write a check. I live in South Riding. Mine are about $15k.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Dumfuq libtard ()
Date: April 18, 2018 12:31PM

Math rules Wrote:
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> President Trump FTW! Wrote:
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> > As well as all the illegals.
>
> Despite all the absurd Fake News put out there by
> right-wing noise machines, whether they are legal
> or not, immigrants pay all the same taxes that you
> do.


This country was formed by immigrants. You do know that, right?

Illegal aliens do not pay income tax. At least the ones I hire. Nobody wants to claim them as employees so they don't pay income taxes. They do, working or not, get income tax returns while paying nothing into the system.

Sorry, I know it's a fact and reality and you're a libtard so you will deny it just like science.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Po nigger Joe ()
Date: April 18, 2018 12:33PM

We Niggerz b payin nuffin.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Many do pay income tax ()
Date: April 18, 2018 12:47PM

Dumfuq libtard Wrote:
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> Math rules Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > President Trump FTW! Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > As well as all the illegals.
> >
> > Despite all the absurd Fake News put out there
> by
> > right-wing noise machines, whether they are
> legal
> > or not, immigrants pay all the same taxes that
> you
> > do.
>
>
> This country was formed by immigrants. You do know
> that, right?
>
> Illegal aliens do not pay income tax. At least the
> ones I hire. Nobody wants to claim them as
> employees so they don't pay income taxes. They do,
> working or not, get income tax returns while
> paying nothing into the system.
>
> Sorry, I know it's a fact and reality and you're a
> libtard so you will deny it just like science.

From a county perspective, undocumented immigrants pay a lot of taxes:

- Property taxes (Paid, via their landlords)
- Retail Sales Taxes (4.3% state, 1% local)
- Restaurant Taxes if applicable (Paid)
- Gasoline Taxes (Paid)
- Car Registration Fees (Paid)

Income taxes are tough to know; It's estimated about 50% of those who work pay income taxes (http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/19/news/economy/undocumented-immigrant-taxes/index.html). It's a smart thing to do if you're ever in front of an immigration Judge.

In short, undocumented immigrants do provide tax revenue, largely on their consumption patterns. About half also pay income tax, albeit that is a national statistic.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: What nativists never tell you ()
Date: April 20, 2018 10:58AM

The last thing an employer wants is to have ICE or IRS agents poking around his place of business. So employers try to play by the rules and keep their noses clean. This means treating all employees the same -- including withholding the same federal, state, and local income and payroll taxes for everyone.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: CYA... ()
Date: April 22, 2018 08:09AM

You offer everyone the same retirement, health insurance, and other such options as well. It's treating people differently that will cook your goose. It's like flat-out admitting that you knew a guy was illegal.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Danbury forest resident ()
Date: April 22, 2018 08:14AM

Who cares what the property taxes are? Most of the jobs here pay 250 to 400k a year. Get in , build your fortune and get out hopefully in less than 20 years.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: yes u ()
Date: April 22, 2018 09:06PM

Danbury forest resident Wrote:
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> Who cares what the property taxes are? Most of the
> jobs here pay 250 to 400k a year. Get in , build
> your fortune and get out hopefully in less than 20
> years.


exactly.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Kevin P1 ()
Date: April 22, 2018 09:14PM

sheeeet. I be only cracking 50K and you crakers b making 400K!!!?
datz racialist

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fairfax OECD ()
Date: April 22, 2018 09:29PM

Danbury forest resident Wrote:
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> Who cares what the property taxes are? Most of the
> jobs here pay 250 to 400k a year. Get in , build
> your fortune and get out hopefully in less than 20
> years.


No, they don't.

median-income-graph.JPG.
wage-growth-graph.JPG


Yours obviously included.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Trump is a moron ()
Date: April 23, 2018 08:49AM

Trump is a moron

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Smart people rule ()
Date: April 24, 2018 09:11AM

Incomes are good in this area no matter how you measure them. This is largely due to the type of work that is done here and the type of people who are capable of doing it.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Reality check... ()
Date: April 24, 2018 09:45AM

Incomes are high enough here that even quite reasonable tax rates can raise the funds needed to run the place well. Would have been wise to pass the meals tax a little while ago, but too many people insist on being stupid.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: It deserved to die ()
Date: April 24, 2018 10:35AM

If the County had been proposing a meals tax in conjunction with a real estate or other tax cut, or even in conjunction with a tax freeze, there might be some merit to the meals tax argument. However Fairfax County was already near the top of the tax curve in the area, and their plan was to impose the meals tax as part of a long range plan that included additional real estate tax increases, and there were still going to be cuts in services. The County was pricing itself out of the market.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: thread conclusion ()
Date: April 24, 2018 11:18AM

OP is a broke plebe

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 24, 2018 12:07PM

The meals tax vote left $90 million in revenue on the table every year, a healthy slice of it from out-of-county residents. That revenue will come from somewhere, and the people paying it will all be County residents. Dumb is dumb, and voting against the meals tax was REALLY, REALLY DUMB.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fair Share ()
Date: April 24, 2018 12:13PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> The meals tax vote left $90 million in revenue on
> the table every year, a healthy slice of it from
> out-of-county residents. That revenue will come
> from somewhere, and the people paying it will all
> be County residents. Dumb is dumb, and voting
> against the meals tax was REALLY, REALLY DUMB.


You lost. Get over it. Pay up.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 24, 2018 01:41PM

You were stupid to vote against the meals tax.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fair Share ()
Date: April 24, 2018 01:46PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> You were stupid to vote against the meals tax.


You were stupid to think that you could push off your property taxes to Jose buying a cheese burrito at 7/11.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: And yours is stupidest ()
Date: April 24, 2018 01:53PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> The meals tax vote left $90 million in revenue on
> the table every year, a healthy slice of it from
> out-of-county residents. That revenue will come
> from somewhere, and the people paying it will all
> be County residents. Dumb is dumb, and voting
> against the meals tax was REALLY, REALLY DUMB.

As the man said, you lost. And the loss was in part due to the simplistic arguments you have just made.

No money was left "on the table". It was left in the pockets of the taxpayers, the overwhelming majority of whom were going to be Fairfax County residents. There was never a reasonable estimate presented by the County on just how much of that meals tax revenue would come from nonresidents. However it was certain that a large amount of the taxes were going to be paid by lower income individuals. Real estate tax rates were not raised in 2017, and County officials were talking about rate increases in 2018-2019 even if the meals tax did pass.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: God, you’re stupid! ()
Date: April 24, 2018 02:02PM

Fair Share Wrote:
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> Stupider and stupider Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You were stupid to vote against the meals tax.
>
>
> You were stupid to think that you could push off
> your property taxes to Jose buying a cheese
> burrito at 7/11.

The meals tax would have hit tourists, commuters, and business travelers. Jose pays his share either way. The question was whether he would get any help or not.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 24, 2018 02:08PM

And yours is stupidest Wrote:
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> No money was left "on the table". It was left in
> the pockets of the taxpayers, the overwhelming
> majority of whom were going to be Fairfax County
> residents. There was never a reasonable estimate
> presented by the County on just how much of that
> meals tax revenue would come from nonresidents.
> However it was certain that a large amount of the
> taxes were going to be paid by lower income
> individuals. Real estate tax rates were not
> raised in 2017, and County officials were talking
> about rate increases in 2018-2019 even if the
> meals tax did pass.

Could you be any dumber? There were detailed analyses of the impacts. The significant dollars that would have come into the county from outside now DO NOT. That’qs a bad thing, even for stupid people.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: FIFY ()
Date: April 24, 2018 02:08PM

God, you’re stupid! Wrote:
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> Fair Share Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Stupider and stupider Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > You were stupid to vote against the meals
> tax.
> >
> >
> > You were stupid to think that you could push
> off
> > your property taxes to Jose buying a cheese
> > burrito at 7/11.
>
> The meals tax would have trivially hit tourists, commuters,
> and business travelers. Jose would pay the vast majority of his
> disproportionate to help subsidize my property taxes.


^ FIFY

Now pay up and shut the fuck up.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider. ()
Date: April 24, 2018 02:23PM

As always, you are just a worthless dumbfuck who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground. Tourists eat here, business travelers eat here, commuters eat here. Better than 30% of total meals tax revenues would have come from such outsiders. You assholes simply voted against taking free money. That’s how fucking dumb you are.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fair Share ()
Date: April 24, 2018 02:36PM

Residents make up near 100% of the population, eat here near 100% of the time, and would pay near 100% of the tax. And they'd pay 100% of the added tax on them. Whatever the county might have brought in otherwise would be over and above that.

As typical, the guy who always wants more and more always wants somebody else to pay for it.

Now pay up and shut the fuck up.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 24, 2018 02:42PM

You’re only digging the hole deeper. It’s clear that have no clue at all as to what’s being discussed here.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fair Share ()
Date: April 24, 2018 02:58PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> You’re only digging the hole deeper. It’s
> clear that have no clue at all as to what’s
> being discussed here.


Unfortunately for you, I do.

That's why you have to post stupid shit like this.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 24, 2018 03:09PM

You’ve been horribly wrong on every point. You know nothing.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Riiiiggghhhttt... ()
Date: April 24, 2018 03:12PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> You’ve been horribly wrong on every point. You
> know nothing.


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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 24, 2018 03:25PM

You’re spent, and we didn’t even get to the importance of diversifying the tax base. Such a fail by you!

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Diversifying? lol! ()
Date: April 24, 2018 03:36PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> You’re spent, and we didn’t even get to the
> importance of diversifying the tax base. Such a
> fail by you!


You talk so much but you say so little.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 24, 2018 05:40PM

I say little that you understand. It is all so far over your head. You are left in the dust from quite a long time ago. The charade that you “know” anything here is just comedic.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat ()
Date: April 24, 2018 06:20PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> I say little that you understand. It is all so far
> over your head. You are left in the dust from
> quite a long time ago. The charade that you
> “know” anything here is just comedic.


You say stupid shit.

You get shot down in flames.

Then you post more stupid shit like this.

lol

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 24, 2018 06:29PM

You are ignorant of all aspects of the topic. You have made no intelligent point or comment at all. Sucks to be you.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fair Share ()
Date: April 24, 2018 06:45PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> You are ignorant of all aspects of the topic. You
> have made no intelligent point or comment at all.
> Sucks to be you.


You lost the meals tax referendum because of the same weak bullshit.

Sucks to be you.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 24, 2018 07:03PM

Wow, look at that! More absolute nothing. I should think it would be painful to be so desperately stupid as that.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: 3 Time Loser ()
Date: April 24, 2018 08:16PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> Wow, look at that! More absolute nothing. I
> should think it would be painful to be so
> desperately stupid as that.


Did I mention that it was the second time that you lost?

Not counting the time that they pulled it back because they knew that it would lose.

REALLY sucks to be you.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 25, 2018 07:50AM

What, no comment on the merits of the tax itself? Would that be because you never did and still don't understand a thing about it? What a tool!

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fair Share ()
Date: April 25, 2018 12:43PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> What, no comment on the merits of the tax itself?
> Would that be because you never did and still
> don't understand a thing about it? What a tool!


I understand that your 30% number is pure bullshit that the board didn't even attempt to use and what they did use was based on a very poorly done trivial extrapolation of macro-level data from a tourism advocacy group which overstates the number to begin with.

I understand that residents make up near 100% of the population, eat here near 100% of the time, and would pay near 100% of the tax. And that they'd pay 100% of the added tax as it applies to them. Whatever the county might have brought in otherwise from 'outsiders' would be over and above that.

I understand that it's an effective subsidy for wealthy individuals, developers, and business property owners which pushes tax burden off of them and onto residents at lower levels.

I understand that it's an insidious tax which attempts to hide the true cost of county/school operations without affecting property tax rates which the board wants to maintain the appearance of being lower for a variety of reasons and which likely would be raised anyway in addition to.

I understand that it's a regressive tax which applies to all prepared hot foods not just 'dining' at sit-down restaurants.

I understand that you're a three time loser because people understand that your bullshit used to try to push it is bullshit.

Now shut up and pay up.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 25, 2018 01:23PM

More TOTAL FAIL from the ignorance pool. The 30% number refers to revenue received, not people paying the tax, and as you've ignored, the payers include business travelers and commuters in addition to tourists. And of course the various databases used are in fact the best that are available. They are used by all serious analysts, a group that you are clearly NOT a mwmber of. You are just a whiny-ass ignorant assfuck.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fair Share ()
Date: April 25, 2018 01:51PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> More TOTAL FAIL from the ignorance pool. The 30%
> number refers to revenue received, not people
> paying the tax, will and as you've ignored, the payers
> include business travelers and commuters in
> addition to tourists. And of course the various
> databases used are in fact the best that are
> available. They are used by all serious analysts,
> a group that you are clearly NOT a mwmber of. You
> are just a whiny-ass ignorant assfuck.


Duh. Obviously. That doesn't affect that what I said is true. The board didn't even use 30% as an estimate. You're just pulling that out of your ass. It does not in any way lower the amount of tax paid by residents as it tends to be presented. Residents make up near 100% of the population, eat here near 100% of the time, and would pay near 100% of the tax. And they'd pay 100% of the added tax as it applies to them. Whatever the county might have brought in otherwise from 'outsiders' would be over and above that. It does not change that it is an effective subsidy for large property owners who are primary patrons of the board. It is not based on the "best data" that are available and there was no serious "analysis" done. They just took an easily available top line, macro-level modelling number for the percentage of total tourism dollars spent on food from the VA tourism advocacy group and then simply multiplied that number. lol

Weak shit like this is why you lose these things. Three times.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Yahoo employee ()
Date: April 25, 2018 01:57PM

I write a check. $16k a year. How else would you pay?

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 25, 2018 02:21PM

Fair Share Wrote:
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> Duh. Obviously. That doesn't affect that what I
> said is true.

Nothing that you have said is true. Just as nothing that restaurants and other biased commenters said at the time was true. Same slop, different year.

The meals tax would have raised an estimated $90 million a year in revenue. Without that revenue (some 30% of which would have been paid by people who do not reside in Fairfax County), needed funds will continue to be raised by increasing (or failing to decrease) property tax rates. Property taxes are already too heavily relied upon here, but the state sadly limits the ways in which a county can raise revenue, which puts us in quite a bind. All the more so without the meals tax, thanks to molded mush-brains like you.

And let's consider that among nearby jurisdictions, DC, Arlington, Falls Church City, Fairfax City, and the cities of Alexandria, Manassas, and Manassas Park, along with the towns of Vienna and Herndon all already have a meals tax. When county residents dine in any of those areas, we help support the budgets of those communities. When their residents dine in Fairfax County, we get nothing.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fair Share ()
Date: April 25, 2018 02:41PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> Fair Share Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> ----
> > Duh. Obviously. That doesn't affect that what
> I
> > said is true.
>
> Nothing that you have said is true. Just as
> nothing that restaurants and other biased
> commenters said at the time was true. Same slop,
> different year.
>
> The meals tax would have raised an estimated $90
> million a year in revenue. Without that revenue
> (some 30% of which would have been paid by people
> who do not reside in Fairfax County), needed funds
> will continue to be raised by increasing (or
> failing to decrease) property tax rates. Property
> taxes are already too heavily relied upon here,
> but the state sadly limits the ways in which a
> county can raise revenue, which puts us in quite a
> bind. All the more so without the meals tax,
> thanks to molded mush-brains like you.


Actually it's all true. Which anyone can see by looking at what was presented by the board itself and the sources used for the estimates. Nowhere did anyone other than your dumb ass use 30% as an estimate. And aren't you the same guy who's continually saying that real estate taxes are low here? If revenue is needed, then raise taxes. Simple. Don't attempt to hide the cost of county operations in some stupid, insidious, regressive meals tax that subsidizes larger property holders.

>
> And let's consider that among nearby
> jurisdictions, DC, Arlington, Falls Church City,
> Fairfax City, and the cities of Alexandria,
> Manassas, and Manassas Park, along with the towns
> of Vienna and Herndon all already have a meals
> tax. When county residents dine in any of those
> areas, we help support the budgets of those
> communities. When their residents dine in Fairfax
> County, we get nothing.


And there the local residents pay the vast majority of those taxes and they're just as regressive and just as much of a subsidy to the larger property owners who are the primary patrons of their boards/city governments.

Now pay up and shut up.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 25, 2018 03:05PM

There, the resident property owners get help from outside sources. This is because their voters were a lot smarter than ours. Thanks in part to disinformed dimbulbs like you.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: tough one to know ()
Date: April 25, 2018 03:44PM

The meal tax isn't as regressive as a sales tax on non-prepared groceries, but perhaps more so than an increase in property taxes. Tough to say. Hiking property taxes affects the poor too. Those who rent will see their rents go up as landlords pass the extra cost on. Those who own low cost condos will also see their taxes go up more directly. Property tax only becomes truly less regressive when higher-end properties are taxed at higher rates.

The real question is do the wealthy and well-off patron high-end restaurants and run higher tabs at a significantly higher rate than people who aren't as fortunate? If a property owner owns a house three times the value of someone else, and also runs up a restaurant tab three times the size as well, its all kind of a wash. Tough to know though.


Are out-of-towners going to really contribute? Kinda tough to know. Around the Dulles airport, where a lot of business meetings occur? Maybe. But I really don't see tourists streaming into Fairfax County. Meals tax makes a lot of sense in jurisdictions where people commute in from other locales and then leave at the end of the day. I don't think that is the story in Fairfax County.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fair Share ()
Date: April 25, 2018 03:47PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> There, the resident property owners get help from
> outside sources. This is because their voters
> were a lot smarter than ours. Thanks in part to
> disinformed dimbulbs like you.


No, they don't.

They continue to pay the same property taxes, some higher than ours.

They also pay more in meals taxes.

The county/city receiving incrementally more in revenue from outsiders beyond that does not affect that they pay 100% of both taxes as they apply to them.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 25, 2018 04:12PM

Weaker and weaker. The relevant math speaks for itself, and what it says is that you’re just plain worthless

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fair Share ()
Date: April 25, 2018 05:39PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> Weaker and weaker. The relevant math speaks for
> itself, and what it says is that you’re just
> plain worthless


Yes, it does.

If a county resident is paying $10,000/yr in real estate taxes without a meals tax, then with a meals tax they'd be paying $10,000/yr + $N/yr in meals taxes. Whatever relatively smaller additional taxes would be paid into the county by 'outsiders' is independent and irrelevant for any given taxpayer. Residents all would pay substantially more. Even assuming your complete bullshit 30% number, they'd be paying an additional $60 million/yr more in taxes in order to get it. Realistically, likely more of that total. Even better, as was made clear by the board, with no indication that future property tax increases would offset in any way. What a great deal! I can't imagine why people didn't jump on it. lmao

Now, just pay your property taxes and STFU.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 25, 2018 06:07PM

Math is hard. I’m not surprised that you struggle with it. The 30% number is fine. It represents the $25-30 million that is not coming in from outside the county, meaning that all that money has to come from the pockets of county residents. It was all an opportunity lost. It didn’t need to be this way.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fair Share ()
Date: April 25, 2018 09:25PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> Math is hard. I’m not surprised that you
> struggle with it. The 30% number is fine. It
> represents the $25-30 million that is not coming
> in from outside the county, meaning that all that
> money has to come from the pockets of county
> residents. It was all an opportunity lost. It
> didn’t need to be this way.


Maybe for you. That's why you have to try to use bullshit numbers and avoid details so you end up posting this kind of nonsense.

If they really need that $25-$30 million, then they can very easily pick it up with a small across-the-board increase in property taxes. The vast majority of residents would end up paying much less in that case than they would with a meals tax. That's because the property tax increase better allocates the cost across the relative values properties, particularly larger and business properties, vs how much their owners eat out. $30 million is less than about 0.75% of the assessed property value of just the 10 largest property holders in the county. Most all of which are large developers. But a $ million is a $ million so they'd much rather have 100,000 Jorges pay it iwhen buying chili dogs at 7/11 instead of them.

You're not in that league but you still need to pay up. And shut the fuck up.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: JibInGarage ()
Date: April 25, 2018 09:29PM

Dear Lord, Thank you for sending us our BIGLY GREAT Donald J. Trump. A wonderful leader of the free world.
Can I get an Amen?

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 26, 2018 08:47AM

Fair Share Wrote:
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> Maybe for you. That's why you have to try to use
> bullshit numbers and avoid details so you end up
> posting this kind of nonsense.

You're a babbling dumbfuck. You never did understand meals tax issues and you still don't today.

> If they really need that $25-$30 million, then
> they can very easily pick it up with a small
> across-the-board increase in property taxes.

LOL!!! Part of the point was to diversify county revenue sources. Continuing to depend so heavily on property taxes is a bad thing to do. But dumb as you are in this area, what would you know about that?

> The vast majority of residents would end up paying much
> less in that case than they would with a meals tax.

Total bullshit. County residents would pay LESS of the total pot with a meals tax simply because non-residents would be financing a significant part of it. How stupid do you have to be to completely miss such a basic point?

And of course, among county resident who would be hit by the meals tax, the largest burden would fall not on any number of Joses down at 7-11, but on those residents wealthy enough to eat out often and at some of our more upscale eateries.

> That's because the property tax increase better allocates...

More mindless bullshit, most of it seriously misunderstood from the nonsense of some anti-tax propaganda site.

BOTTOM LINE: You're a worthless fraud. You lack standing to speak here.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fair Share ()
Date: April 26, 2018 01:47PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> Fair Share Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Maybe for you. That's why you have to try to
> use
> > bullshit numbers and avoid details so you end
> up
> > posting this kind of nonsense.
>
> You're a babbling dumbfuck. You never did
> understand meals tax issues and you still don't
> today.

And you're still responding with this kind of bullshit.

>
> > If they really need that $25-$30 million, then
> > they can very easily pick it up with a small
> > across-the-board increase in property taxes.
>
> LOL!!! Part of the point was to diversify county
> revenue sources. Continuing to depend so heavily
> on property taxes is a bad thing to do. But dumb
> as you are in this area, what would you know about
> that?
>


That's talking point babble. It doesn't "diversify" anything. You're just taxing the same people in a different way. Yeah, I know that the hope is that they don't notice it as much that way.


> > The vast majority of residents would end up
> paying much
> > less in that case than they would with a meals
> tax.
>
> Total bullshit. County residents would pay LESS
> of the total pot with a meals tax simply because
> non-residents would be financing a significant
> part of it. How stupid do you have to be to
> completely miss such a basic point?

Because it's bullshit. As earlier and as always be the case, residents would pay more. Significantly more. Regardless what contribution is made by 'outsiders' they still would pay more. With a meals tax they would pay more on an individual basis than they would with an equivalent property tax increase since larger property owners, developers, and other business property owners carry much more of the burden in that case vs a meals tax where they pay virtually nothing. Which of course is the underlying reason for the meals tax approach.

>
> And of course, among county resident who would be
> hit by the meals tax, the largest burden would
> fall not on any number of Joses down at 7-11, but
> on those residents wealthy enough to eat out often
> and at some of our more upscale eateries.
>

Yes, it would since it's not a sit-down 'dining' at 'upscale eateries' tax but a tax on all prepared foods and there's about a 100,000:1 ratio involved. If you want to propose a tax on sit-down meals over $50, or a tax on hotel meals, or some other more direct manner of capturing this vast number of visitor dollars that you believe exists, then propose that. But we know that nothing like that would be done because it's just bullshit intended to convince people to accept the 70%, 80%, 95% or whatever percentage that you want to assign to it that they would pay which is where the real money is.

> > That's because the property tax increase better
> allocates...
>
> More mindless bullshit, most of it seriously
> misunderstood from the nonsense of some anti-tax
> propaganda site.
>
> BOTTOM LINE: You're a worthless fraud. You lack
> standing to speak here.


Coming from the guy who wants somebody else to subsidize his property taxes. lol! I have no problem with paying taxes. As I said before, if they need the revenue then raise the fucking property taxes in the way that it should be done vs some hokey meals tax.

You failed. Three times. Move on. Just pay your taxes and shut the fuck up about it.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 26, 2018 02:00PM

Too fucking stupid. As I have had to note before, you simply don’t understand the details of the topic. One of the things you are oblivious to is the desirability of having diverse revenue sources. Another is the food away from home profile by
Income. Then there all the inter-county commuting patterns. To sum up, you FAIL! Really badly.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fair Sahre ()
Date: April 26, 2018 04:11PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> Too fucking stupid. As I have had to note before,
> you simply don’t understand the details of the
> topic. One of the things you are oblivious to is
> the desirability of having diverse revenue
> sources. Another is the food away from home
> profile by
> Income. Then there all the inter-county commuting
> patterns. To sum up, you FAIL! Really badly.


I understand the detail in detail. Which is why you can't argue any of the details and have to resort to talking about stupid shit like "diverse revenue streams." lol The same people would be paying the vast majority of the tax. Charging them via meals tax vs property tax doesn't "diversify" anything other than how they're paying. There's no cap on raising property taxes in this case which requires "diversifying" anything other than they want the ability to capture more revenue via a meals tax and preserve the ability to also raise property taxes.

The "food away from home profile" doesn't change anything. Other than at the very lowest end, people at all levels eat out at about the same levels these days and this is not a "dining at finest eateries" tax. There are many thousands of purchases at the lower end which easily offset every one at the highest end. Again, if that's the intent of the tax, then tax sit-down meals over $N or in some other more targeted way. Hotel taxes do that well. Extra taxes on rental cars at the airport do that well. A general meals tax does not. But it's not really the intent, that's just typical "but somebody else will pay for it!" bullshit used to try to sell it to the people who actually would be paying the vast majority of it.

Likewise, inter-county commuting patterns don't change anything. Again, just part of the sales pitch used to justify it. Which is why there was no serious analysis done of things like that because proponents don't really care beyond using it as a magic hand-waving distraction from the fact that residents will pay the vast majority of the tax and more than they would with a simple across the board property tax increase which brings in the same amount of revenue.

What failed was the meals tax. Three times. Now pay up and shut up.

Oh, and btw most all of the other local meals taxes were never put to vote. They'd likely fail now too.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 26, 2018 04:30PM

Your posts are just further demonstrations of how poorly you understand meals tax issues. Under ill-advised state laws, counties must put a meals tax measure to a referendum. Nearly half of all counties have meals established in that way. Cities and towns may create a meals tax through council action. EVERY Virginia city and 70 towns have seen the light as well.

I expect of course that you will go off on some stupid tangent once again here, but the fact will remain that you do not adequately understand the issues to be able to talk with any degree of intelligence about them.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fair Share ()
Date: April 26, 2018 08:49PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> Your posts are just further demonstrations of how
> poorly you understand meals tax issues. Under
> ill-advised state laws, counties must put a meals
> tax measure to a referendum. Nearly half of all
> counties have meals established in that way.
> Cities and towns may create a meals tax through
> council action. EVERY Virginia city and 70 towns
> have seen the light as well.
>
> I expect of course that you will go off on some
> stupid tangent once again here, but the fact will
> remain that you do not adequately understand the
> issues to be able to talk with any degree of
> intelligence about them.


That applies to counties, not the cities in this area with meals taxes that you wanted to consider:

> And let's consider that among nearby
> jurisdictions, DC, Arlington, Falls Church City,
> Fairfax City, and the cities of Alexandria,
> Manassas, and Manassas Park, along with the towns
> of Vienna and Herndon all already have a meals
> tax...

> This is because their voters were a lot smarter than ours.


Which, as I said, were not put to a vote. Where it has been put to a vote in this area it has failed miserably. Just as you have.

Pay up. Shut up.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: What can you do ()
Date: April 27, 2018 09:21AM

2 sure things. Death and taxes.

One day your fantasy bubble will pop. What then?

Utopians be livin the dream right?

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 27, 2018 09:56AM

Fair Share Wrote:
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> That applies to counties, not the cities in this
> area with meals taxes that you wanted to consider:

> Which, as I said, were not put to a vote. Where
> it has been put to a vote in this area it has
> failed miserably. Just as you have.
>
> Pay up. Shut up.

As predicted -- an excursion off into the wild mindlessness of facts already established or already dismissed. It is made plain by your worsening babble that you have exactly nothing left to say here. And of course what you said earlier was basically worthless. You simply do not have a proper understanding of any aspect of the meals tax issue, having been in your time no more than a swill-swallowing receptacle and conduit for phony restaurant-industry propaganda. There are smarter people in the world than that. Lots of them, actually. Those are the people who tend to recognize that Fairfax County badly missed the boat in failing to adopt a meals tax. It was bad policy -- like saying "No!" to free money.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Fair Share ()
Date: April 27, 2018 02:08PM

Stupider and stupider Wrote:
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> Fair Share Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That applies to counties, not the cities in
> this
> > area with meals taxes that you wanted to
> consider:
>
> > Which, as I said, were not put to a vote.
> Where
> > it has been put to a vote in this area it has
> > failed miserably. Just as you have.
> >
> > Pay up. Shut up.
>
> As predicted -- an excursion off into the wild
> mindlessness of facts already established or
> already dismissed. It is made plain by your
> worsening babble that you have exactly nothing
> left to say here. And of course what you said
> earlier was basically worthless. You simply do
> not have a proper understanding of any aspect of
> the meals tax issue, having been in your time no
> more than a swill-swallowing receptacle and
> conduit for phony restaurant-industry propaganda.
> There are smarter people in the world than that.
> Lots of them, actually. Those are the people who
> tend to recognize that Fairfax County badly missed
> the boat in failing to adopt a meals tax. It was
> bad policy -- like saying "No!" to free money.


Yes, I completely dismissed your bullshit. There were no votes. People aren't stupid enough to buy into bogus hand waving about "diversifying revenue streams" and "inter-county commuting patterns." They understand that they live here and that they will be paying virtually all of the tax.

#PayUp
#STFU

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Stupider and stupider ()
Date: April 27, 2018 03:12PM

You’ve been carved up here like a Thanksgiving turkey at Grandma’s House. You don’t understand any aspect of the issue. You are just a waste of time.

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: Gods plan ()
Date: April 27, 2018 03:15PM

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Re: How do people pay the property tax in this area?
Posted by: In the real world... ()
Date: April 27, 2018 03:19PM

No gods. No masters. No Mr. Peanut.

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