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How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: How do the poor afford children? ()
Date: March 03, 2018 08:14PM

Kids are expensive as hell to have and "maintain." So, how do so many poor people around the Fairfax area afford all of their doctor bills pre/post pregnancy and the whole deal of raising not one, but multiple kids?!

My wife and I are still holding off on having a kid *Yes we still fuck a lot* but I would like to save more money for the future, but it seems like any teenager these days can just pop out a kid and afford it some how.

I don't know anything about receiving money from the government, but is that what all of these people do some how and if so...how?! I don't like the idea of living my life owing LARGE sums of money.

Yes, I already know some of you will say if you're too stupid to not figure out this game then please don't reproduce.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Bottom line ()
Date: March 03, 2018 08:20PM

A lot of money needs to come from somewhere.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Buh bye America the great ()
Date: March 03, 2018 10:24PM

I know a African dude that works part time as a custodian and has 7 kids. The government gives him $2000 dollars a month of your tax money, that how.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Dgjkfg ()
Date: March 03, 2018 10:48PM

My wife and I make 200k...the third kid put us over the top. We’re poor as shit and don’t even have a plan for colleges yet (with the oldest just 5 years away). Kids fucking destroy everything. Daycare, camp, clothes, hobbies, sports, food. A trip to Busch Gardens for a day is $600. Seeing a movie is $100. I’m waiting for the upside and have no fucking clue how poor people do it. Benefits and aid are not that great.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Fjdks ()
Date: March 03, 2018 11:00PM

Dgjkfg Wrote:
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> My wife and I make 200k...the third kid put us
> over the top. We’re poor as shit and don’t
> even have a plan for colleges yet (with the oldest
> just 5 years away). Kids fucking destroy
> everything. Daycare, camp, clothes, hobbies,
> sports, food. A trip to Busch Gardens for a day is
> $600. Seeing a movie is $100. I’m waiting for
> the upside and have no fucking clue how poor
> people do it. Benefits and aid are not that great.

Continued...gotta get the family insurance plan at work ($400/mo. instead of $50), literally every kid gets braces now...what a scam...phones for them, they break your shit (computers, your phone, ruin sofas, carpet), make you drink more (that’s expensive), Christmas is like 2 grand now, gotta go away somewhere nice for their Spring Break, birthday parties are like $300-500/per AND you’d be better at your job, be able to compete for better jobs and get more raises if you didn’t have to deal with all their bullshit needs all the time (or just because you’re fucking tired as shit and can’t function anymore).

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Khffj ()
Date: March 03, 2018 11:09PM

Continued...need to buy paper plates because you can’t keep up with dishes, you buy them Ugg’s and your wife wears bearpaws, gotta buy a bigger car, gotta buy life insurance now because it actually matters if you die, babysitters...and did I mention darecare, camps and after school coverage? One year that was $30,000...after tax money....which you get maybe $1200 back with tax benefits. That alone is like a $45k salary gone.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Thin The Bitching Chromosome ()
Date: March 03, 2018 11:13PM

Do you people bitch for every single thing in life..

Here's a suggestion, Drop dead. You will not be missed I promise.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Hdhskd ()
Date: March 03, 2018 11:47PM

Thin The Bitching Chromosome Wrote:
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> Do you people bitch for every single thing in
> life..
>
> Here's a suggestion, Drop dead. You will not be
> missed I promise.

Don’t really think I was bitching. That was pretty much just a list of objective facts to support the premise that I have no clue how poor people manage it because I barely do and make ok money. You clearly have no kids and are actually the only one bitching here.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Be Honest, Ok. ()
Date: March 04, 2018 12:29AM

Hdhskd Wrote:
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> Thin The Bitching Chromosome Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do you people bitch for every single thing in
> > life..
> >
> > Here's a suggestion, Drop dead. You will not
> be
> > missed I promise.
>
> Don’t really think I was bitching. That was
> pretty much just a list of objective facts to
> support the premise that I have no clue how poor
> people manage it because I barely do and make ok
> money. You clearly have no kids and are actually
> the only one bitching here.

No, you were bitching. In a little bitch voice type of way.

You do the best you can, that's how. You read the article of that poor couple in CA living with three kids in the desert..

They're poor but they did the best they could with what they had.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Dcdouche ()
Date: March 04, 2018 06:06AM

Here’s a thought, whichever one of you makes less, quit your job and raise your own kids. Sell your second car, sell the McMansion, go to free public/state parks, cut the cord, dine in and invest time in your kids instead of money. People here have been programmed to live on two incomes, it’s not like that most places. We barely get by and being broke sucks but it’s just a small moment in the grand scheme of life. I guarantee whatever your bullshit jobs are, your efforts won’t mean a damn thing in 50 years but your kids will. Disconnected kids do bad in this world! ( sorry forgot this is liberaltopia here, I mean guns are to blame)

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Get a grip ()
Date: March 04, 2018 07:39AM

Buh bye America the great Wrote:
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> I know a African dude that works part time as a
> custodian and has 7 kids. The government gives him
> $2000 dollars a month of your tax money, that how.

There is no such thing as YOUR tax money, dumbass.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: 2345332 ()
Date: March 04, 2018 08:15AM

Dcdouche Wrote:
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> Here’s a thought, whichever one of you makes
> less, quit your job and raise your own kids. Sell
> your second car, sell the McMansion, go to free
> public/state parks, cut the cord, dine in and
> invest time in your kids instead of money. People
> here have been programmed to live on two incomes,
> it’s not like that most places. We barely get by
> and being broke sucks but it’s just a small
> moment in the grand scheme of life. I guarantee
> whatever your bullshit jobs are, your efforts
> won’t mean a damn thing in 50 years but your
> kids will. Disconnected kids do bad in this world!
> ( sorry forgot this is liberaltopia here, I mean
> guns are to blame)

You bring up some very good points. A lot of people could certainly stand to trim the frills and spend more time on/ with their children (& their spouse). There is certainly a lot of money being thrown around.

As with most things in life, you need to strike a balance. Easy to say, tough to do.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: What an idiot ()
Date: March 04, 2018 08:30AM

Get a grip Wrote:
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> Buh bye America the great Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I know a African dude that works part time as a
> > custodian and has 7 kids. The government gives
> him
> > $2000 dollars a month of your tax money, that
> how.
>
> There is no such thing as YOUR tax money, dumbass.





You completely missed the POINT, dumbass.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Some just don't get it ()
Date: March 04, 2018 08:31AM

This "balance" stuff is actually pretty easy to do unless your are outrageously stupid. Meanwhile, we have all these two-income households around here because many women are well-educated and want the intellectual challenge and social stimulation of employment outside the home. It's not all about the money, but who among you clods would actually be able to process that?

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Get a grip ()
Date: March 04, 2018 08:36AM

What an idiot Wrote:
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> You completely missed the POINT, dumbass.

You called it "YOUR tax money." There is no such thing. THAT'S the point, and YOU'RE the dumbass.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: ;())$&&&@ ()
Date: March 04, 2018 08:56AM

Some just don't get it Wrote:
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> This "balance" stuff is actually pretty easy to do
> unless your are outrageously stupid. Meanwhile,
> we have all these two-income households around
> here because many women are well-educated and want
> the intellectual challenge and social stimulation
> of employment outside the home. It's not all about
> the money, but who among you clods would actually
> be able to process that?

Having raised my kids, this is what I learned.

There is actually plenty of intellectual and social stimulation not working for money ( you are not really "at home"). It is different. Church and school volunteering are great ways to meet people.

You can never put too much time into your kids, however you don't want to create spoiled brats who had everything done for them by you. It is nice to be able to just be there for people. You will feel like you are being sucked dry at times, but it is so important to have a stabilizing force around the household.

It is also important to keep up your job skills because you never know if your marriage/relationship is going to last. Alimony and child support will only go so far. Your dream life can change in one little instant.

I found part-time work enabled me to make an attempt at "doing it all". That, combined with very careful spending habits. Lowering expectations at Christmas ( it really is about putting Christ back into Christmas-just tell your kids that we don't believe in going overboard at Christmas and be firm)), more reasonable vacations, shopping at Aldi, driving a moderate car for a long time, making do with your old furniture, eating at home ( eggs and spaghetti and peanut butter and jelly are cheap and quick and no you don't need to eat organic/local), etc. Just try to maintain a simpler lifestyle in general and ignore the pressure to spend spend spend. It all adds up. But, regardless, it is still challenging.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Some just don't get it ()
Date: March 04, 2018 09:22AM

;())$&&&@ Wrote:
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> There is actually plenty of intellectual and
> social stimulation not working for money ( you are
> not really "at home"). It is different. Church and
> school volunteering are great ways to meet people.

"Volunteering" is where you work but don't get paid for it. Guess who gets the worst of that deal. And of course, meeting people was not the point. Intellectual challenge and social stimulation were. You don't get much of that in the pews or at "play group." Playing the role of the "happy homemaker" does suit some, particularly when the kids are little, but it can become a really empty existence after a while. This is why so many return to work once the kids are in school, even if it's barely a break-even thing financially.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: /;()$@&)(;; ()
Date: March 04, 2018 09:30AM

Some just don't get it Wrote:
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> ;())$&&&@ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There is actually plenty of intellectual and
> > social stimulation not working for money ( you
> are
> > not really "at home"). It is different. Church
> and
> > school volunteering are great ways to meet
> people.
>
> "Volunteering" is where you work but don't get
> paid for it. Guess who gets the worst of that
> deal. And of course, meeting people was not the
> point. Intellectual challenge and social
> stimulation were. You don't get much of that in
> the pews or at "play group." Playing the role of
> the "happy homemaker" does suit some, particularly
> when the kids are little, but it can become a
> really empty existence after a while. This is why
> so many return to work once the kids are in
> school, even if it's barely a break-even thing
> financially.

Oh I get it. It really does pay to slow down a little, in more ways than one.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: }{{#%^** ()
Date: March 04, 2018 10:13AM

I DO get it.

I went bonkers when I had tiny ones. I worked part-time and used the extra babysitting time for errands. No, I was not clearing a fortune. However, I could get twice as much done in half the amount of time, I paved the way for future employment, I stayed current in my field, I made a lot of connections, etc.

It still took a toll on my family, but we managed to hold it together.

I actually found that there were more demands on my time as the children got older. Their lives and needs became more complex as the years rolled along. The pre-school years were easy compared to the later years. Yes, it was lots of bottles and temper tantrums and diapers and puking and crying. I really needed to take breaks for myself.

Running a household really is the most important job in the world. It sounds old-fashioned, but it really is true, looking back on it. Home is the bedrock of society. Home is where children learn to care about people, take care of themselves, and learn what is important in life. There are thousands of details to attend to at home. Records, appointments, planning, problems that come up, etc. Somebody has to hold it all together. It's a big job. It really is.

Perhaps some of the societal problems we are having are due to the frantic pace we are all running at. I work at a hospital. People literally dump their "loved ones" off for surgery and we have to beg them to come back and take them home. Seriously. It is sad. They leave them there all damn day for something that takes an hour. They can't be bothered.

I don't know what the answers are. It is just important to strike a balance.
For some, that could mean throttling back on expenses, simplifying their lifestyle, lowering their expectations, etc. in order to have more time for the family.

There is not an easy answer to this.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Unplanned parenthood ()
Date: March 04, 2018 07:09PM

How do the poor afford children? Wrote:
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> Kids are expensive as hell to have and "maintain."
> So, how do so many poor people around the Fairfax
> area afford all of their doctor bills pre/post
> pregnancy and the whole deal of raising not one,
> but multiple kids?!
>
> My wife and I are still holding off on having a
> kid *Yes we still fuck a lot* but I would like to
> save more money for the future, but it seems like
> any teenager these days can just pop out a kid and
> afford it some how.
>
> I don't know anything about receiving money from
> the government, but is that what all of these
> people do some how and if so...how?! I don't like
> the idea of living my life owing LARGE sums of
> money.
>
> Yes, I already know some of you will say if you're
> too stupid to not figure out this game then please
> don't reproduce.


Your tax dollars. Now get back to work

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Lol. You mad? ()
Date: March 04, 2018 08:05PM

Get a grip Wrote:
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> What an idiot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You completely missed the POINT, dumbass.
>
> You called it "YOUR tax money." There is no such
> thing. THAT'S the point, and YOU'RE the dumbass.




Nonsense. Tax money is collected from the public as a whole. It belongs to every tax payer until it is spent on, for example the African leach with 7 kids.

You mad dumbass?

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: kmolm ()
Date: March 04, 2018 08:07PM

Dgjkfg Wrote:
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> My wife and I make 200k...the third kid put us
> over the top. We’re poor as shit and don’t
> even have a plan for colleges yet (with the oldest
> just 5 years away). Kids fucking destroy
> everything. Daycare, camp, clothes, hobbies,
> sports, food. A trip to Busch Gardens for a day is
> $600. Seeing a movie is $100. I’m waiting for
> the upside and have no fucking clue how poor
> people do it. Benefits and aid are not that great.


If you can't make it work on 200K /yr...there is something WRONG with YOU!

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Fjshjs ()
Date: March 04, 2018 08:29PM

kmolm Wrote:
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> Dgjkfg Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My wife and I make 200k...the third kid put us
> > over the top. We’re poor as shit and don’t
> > even have a plan for colleges yet (with the
> oldest
> > just 5 years away). Kids fucking destroy
> > everything. Daycare, camp, clothes, hobbies,
> > sports, food. A trip to Busch Gardens for a day
> is
> > $600. Seeing a movie is $100. I’m waiting for
> > the upside and have no fucking clue how poor
> > people do it. Benefits and aid are not that
> great.
>
>
> If you can't make it work on 200K /yr...there is
> something WRONG with YOU!

I never said it’s not working and don’t need ideas for spending time with my kids. My ONLY point is that kids are expensive as shit and I agree with the OP that I have no idea how poor people do it in this area. It’s weird how many are quick to argue when no one is arguing.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Dcdouche ()
Date: March 05, 2018 05:46AM

Oh I get it, it’s the classic dc douche move where you humble brag about how much you have to spend on shit and gleefully rattle off the numbers. Their is not a teal or sincere person within an hour of dc. Bunch of fucking clones!


Wrote:
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> kmolm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Dgjkfg Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > My wife and I make 200k...the third kid put
> us
> > > over the top. We’re poor as shit and
> don’t
> > > even have a plan for colleges yet (with the
> > oldest
> > > just 5 years away). Kids fucking destroy
> > > everything. Daycare, camp, clothes, hobbies,
> > > sports, food. A trip to Busch Gardens for a
> day
> > is
> > > $600. Seeing a movie is $100. I’m waiting
> for
> > > the upside and have no fucking clue how poor
> > > people do it. Benefits and aid are not that
> > great.
> >
> >
> > If you can't make it work on 200K /yr...there
> is
> > something WRONG with YOU!
>
> I never said it’s not working and don’t need
> ideas for spending time with my kids. My ONLY
> point is that kids are expensive as shit and I
> agree with the OP that I have no idea how poor
> people do it in this area. It’s weird how many
> are quick to argue when no one is arguing.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Mike Huntt ()
Date: March 05, 2018 06:42AM

Government taxpayer funded handouts...that’s how

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Iunderstandu ()
Date: March 05, 2018 06:51AM

Fjshjs Wrote:
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> kmolm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Dgjkfg Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > My wife and I make 200k...the third kid put
> us
> > > over the top. We’re poor as shit and
> don’t
> > > even have a plan for colleges yet (with the
> > oldest
> > > just 5 years away). Kids fucking destroy
> > > everything. Daycare, camp, clothes, hobbies,
> > > sports, food. A trip to Busch Gardens for a
> day
> > is
> > > $600. Seeing a movie is $100. I’m waiting
> for
> > > the upside and have no fucking clue how poor
> > > people do it. Benefits and aid are not that
> > great.
> >
> >
> > If you can't make it work on 200K /yr...there
> is
> > something WRONG with YOU!
>
> I never said it’s not working and don’t need
> ideas for spending time with my kids. My ONLY
> point is that kids are expensive as shit and I
> agree with the OP that I have no idea how poor
> people do it in this area. It’s weird how many
> are quick to argue when no one is arguing.

I don't understand why everyone is on your ass when you were just breaking it down and telling it how it is.

You make 200k a year combined and i think people on here make half of that and are just pissed that you stated you're "poor." The truth is if anyone on here made 200k they would be flashing that money around, but instead it sounds like you're living a pretty good life, but all of your money you could be living it up with is quickly sucked out of your wallet every year on child "maintenance."

It also sounds like you do things as a family so I have no clue what that one person was going on about.

Yea, kids break everything, try having a shit kid or two and paying lawyer fees etc. Better hope your kids are out the door by 18 because life just keeps getting more expensive.

Don't forget you still have to plan for retirement...Is everything paid off or do you expect monthly help from your kids?

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Iunderstandu ()
Date: March 05, 2018 06:58AM

That last statement was a general question to everyone.

Also, you may have a nice house, but it's expensive to live here and when you drive around, on your way to work and you just look around the shithole you're living in...It's depressing. Is Fairfax seriously trying to make sci-fi movies a reality? You know, super shitty area with the poor all over the streets and then you have the super evil rich going to their clubs...

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Pity the intellectual dregs ()
Date: March 05, 2018 08:04AM

Lol. You mad? Wrote:
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> Nonsense. Tax money is collected from the public
> as a whole. It belongs to every tax payer until it
> is spent on, for example the African leach with 7
> kids.

Try taking back some of "your money," dumbfuck. A long sentence in the slammer will result. Your obligation is to pay the taxes that you owe. You have no says or control in what happens to the funds after that. The government will decide how the government's money will be spent. You are NO PART of that equation at all.

> You mad dumbass?

No, just a whole lot smarter than you are, you worthless stupid shit!

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Reality bites, but... ()
Date: March 05, 2018 08:46AM

+1

Even as a conservative, I know that once you pay your taxes, the money is not yours anymore. It's only the goofy boys who wander down that road.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Well-known facts ()
Date: March 05, 2018 09:36AM

Sounds like some here slept through 8th grade civics.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Fact checker 1 ()
Date: March 05, 2018 10:41AM

Lol. You mad? Wrote:
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> Get a grip Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What an idiot Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > You completely missed the POINT, dumbass.
> >
> > You called it "YOUR tax money." There is no
> such
> > thing. THAT'S the point, and YOU'RE the
> dumbass.
>
>
>
>
> Nonsense. Tax money is collected from the public
> as a whole. It belongs to every tax payer until it
> is spent on, for example the African leach with 7
> kids.
>
> You mad dumbass?





Lol very true. A dumbass she is :-)

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: XOOXO ()
Date: March 05, 2018 10:42AM

FOOD STAMPS

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Hmmm... ()
Date: March 05, 2018 10:46AM

Food stamps are for single white mothers and their kids.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: notyermomma ()
Date: March 05, 2018 11:38AM

The irony is that responsible people hold off on having kids and the poor reckless just pop them out like candy. This is real reason the govt support Planned Parenthood. It's an ugly truth, but that's the real reason.

I have a relative that hooked up with an illegal Mexican when she was 18, had three kids by 21 and the state was paying her $700 a kid a month, I kidd you not. The oldest even got free pre-school. The illegal Mexican was scared to work and she didn't want him to get deported so they had all those kids so they could stay home.

It's been a few year and I think the state cut back some because she had to get a part time job at Aldie. The Mexican is still sitting at home.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Mr bogle ()
Date: March 05, 2018 12:00PM

Live within your means and invest your money wisely. Our earned HHI income is only $250k~, and now our unearned income is nearly the same.

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Re: How do the poor afford children?
Posted by: Massive fortune ()
Date: March 05, 2018 12:20PM

Best idea: make up stupid shit about how much money you have. Like people will believe that.

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