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that is a very good idea
Weather is nicer now...anybody ventured out lately and taken pics?
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Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Alan Rogers
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Date: December 13, 2009 02:03PM
Has anbody seen the Remey Tomb/Crypt and knows its history?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
GMU Hokie
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Date: December 13, 2009 02:33PM
I lifted the details from the link below:
http://www.uer.ca/forum_showthread_archive.asp?fid=3&threadid=13951&currpage=2
The real story:
“Mr. Remey contracted with Pohick Episcopal Church for 5.2 acres of land to build a mausoleum for his family. Remey reportedly chose Pohick Church because GEORGE MASON IV, his great grandfather, was a vestryman. Remey was an architect of international reputation and a man of some wealth. Construction of the "Remeum" began in 1939 and was finished in 1948, with more than 2 million bricks, and In 1962 the church vestry, motivated by concerns over the size of the ediface and serious problems with vandalism, began to negotiate with Remey to break the 1937 contract. An agreement signed in Federal District Court in 1968 gave Remey until April 1973 to remove anything he wanted from the mausoleum, thereafter ownership reverted to the church. Relatives had @15 burials removed to Pompey, N. Y., and by 1973, the year the building was demolished, only Remey's wife GERTRUDE was still there. Her remains were reinterred at Pohick Church before demolition began.”
http://www.uer.ca/forum_showthread_archive.asp?fid=3&threadid=13951&currpage=2
The real story:
“Mr. Remey contracted with Pohick Episcopal Church for 5.2 acres of land to build a mausoleum for his family. Remey reportedly chose Pohick Church because GEORGE MASON IV, his great grandfather, was a vestryman. Remey was an architect of international reputation and a man of some wealth. Construction of the "Remeum" began in 1939 and was finished in 1948, with more than 2 million bricks, and In 1962 the church vestry, motivated by concerns over the size of the ediface and serious problems with vandalism, began to negotiate with Remey to break the 1937 contract. An agreement signed in Federal District Court in 1968 gave Remey until April 1973 to remove anything he wanted from the mausoleum, thereafter ownership reverted to the church. Relatives had @15 burials removed to Pompey, N. Y., and by 1973, the year the building was demolished, only Remey's wife GERTRUDE was still there. Her remains were reinterred at Pohick Church before demolition began.”
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bledbetter
()
Date: December 14, 2009 03:53PM
Remey was also something of a nutcase... By which I mean he considered himself to be the President of the Embryonic Universal House of Justice.
(How's THAT for the name of a band?)
http://www.charlesmasonremey.net/
(How's THAT for the name of a band?)
http://www.charlesmasonremey.net/
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bledbetter
()
Date: December 14, 2009 03:57PM
BTW, the obelisk from the Tomb is still standing, judging by the satellite imagery. I'd imagine that'd make for some exciting photography on the off chance that we get any significant amount of snow this year.
Hmmmm....
Hmmmm....
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
otis bopalotis
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Date: December 14, 2009 04:01PM
The cript was bulldozed over they say to stop vandalism. I say that was a crime to do all of those sculptures distroyed.
The actual monument for Remy is still there. Kinda creepy to see that thing out in the middle of the woods.
The actual monument for Remy is still there. Kinda creepy to see that thing out in the middle of the woods.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
repost
()
Date: December 14, 2009 04:03PM
It was over thirty three years ago in Lorton Virginia. I was fifteen years old and on a dare was exploring an ancient mausoleum by flashlight. This was a custom designed private estate mausoleum in the woods behind Pohick Church., George Washington and George Mason supervised the construction of the church building in 1774, completing it just before the outbreak of the Revolutionary War.
I grew up in a town just a few miles away. We used to hear stories of this creepy haunted burial grounds guarded by demons. None but the bravest “coolest” kids in school had ever been inside the walls let alone enter the catacombs.
We drove there listening to Black Sabbath which in retrospect may have been a bad idea. We parked the car half a mile down the road and crept through a thick forest to reach the massive brick walls of the forgotten haunted catacombs.
The entrances to the underground tombs were in a sculpture garden courtyard formed by vaults and a twelve foot brick walls with oversized iron gates at one end. Of course the gates were locked by heavy chains. To enter one climbed trees that had grown up beside the wall. Once on top of the wall, we merely lowered ourselves over the side by a short piece of rope we found tied to the tree and draped over the wall. The rope didn’t reach nearly half way down the wall so we just hung and dropped when we reached the bottom.
We mad our way through numerous smaller courtyards and by statues and carvings, searching for entrances to the underground crypts rumored to be much larger then the five acres above ground. I remember feeling the stare of stone eyes from the grotesque statues and wanting very badly to leave. But we hadn’t thought out our plan very well for the short rope wouldn’t be much help getting us out and there were no trees on the inside that would help us climb out. We were going to have to boost one another up, with the last of us not having a boost, having to really rely on someone up top somehow pulling them up from above. None of us wanted to be the first to ask to leave.
We pressed on looking for the legendary entrance to the underground world rumored to have more fantastic statues and carvings than on the surface. From the distant side of the courtyard we heard a pinging noise like a ball peen hammer on a train rail. We turned off our flashlights hushed each other to get a better listen. Suddenly we heard footsteps rushing toward us. We took cover behind the sculptures when appearing out of the darkness were the familiar figures of three of our classmates, apparently also exploring but now for whatever reason “fleeing” and unaware of our presence.
Without even knowing what they were running from, I decided to join them in their exit except as I emerged from my hiding space they practically fainted at the site of me. They calmed themselves and caught their breath, claiming to have gotten a metal vault door partially open and seeing “something”: … the hideous face of someone or something just inside the door...
“No way!“ we said but they didn’t take time to debate and just resumed their getaway. Our group stood frozen for a moment as we thought about going to see the face for our selves or running for our lives. We paused for a few moments and since no demons were pursuing our friends we decided it was safe to go investigate what they might have seen.
Along one brick wall we found a metal door partially bent back and pried open. We approached cautiously but soon we were all tugging on the door. One of my friends put a big foot on the wall and leaned back pulling the door back telling me to slip in. while he held it. Anxious to show courage I proceed to do so thinking this was going to make me a legend in my school. I put my flashlight in first and looked around the dusty cobwebbed room. I decided that the first three explorers were pussys… because there was no way anyone had opened this door in years, there was an inch of dust.
We pried back the door just enough for me to get the top of my torso and one arm in. I shown the light around and spotted a wall of open vaults to my right but something moved in front of me causing me to jerk the light in that direction. There in the darkness was a partially illuminated hideous snarling face looking right at me. I screamed in horror and started to back out but my friends dropped the door and bolted backward momentarily trapping me in the door, face to face with the demon creature of the underworld or whatever was inside. Still yelling I looked up at the creature again…. And realized it was not moving from it spot …merely writhing in place… I looked closer and finally realized I was looking at my own reflection in a polished granite wall … holding the light below my own face screaming at my own reflection.
I still don’t know how I got out of the door. My buddies had ran. I was the last one out but managed to scale that wall. I got my fingers on the ledge and one of my buddies pulled me over. We ran like rabbits threw the woods, jumped in the car and squealed wheels. Later and for years there was lots of laughter… but no further explanation… just too creepy!
About fifteen years later I briefly reexplored in daylight hours. It had been partially demolished, but some of the statues and carvings were still there. I don’t know if anything is left now.(12/04) Researching years later I discovered this was the Remey Family Mausoleum (Remeum) built in In 1937 CHARLES MASON REMEY (1874-1974) County records say it was completely demolished because of a problem with vandals. It was located @1/2 mile southwest of Pohick Episcopal Church, 9301 Richmond Hwy., Lorton, Va.. The church is still there and is very much an active church.
The real story:
“Mr. Remey contracted with Pohick Episcopal Church for 5.2 acres of land to build a mausoleum for his family. Remey reportedly chose Pohick Church because GEORGE MASON IV, his great grandfather, was a vestryman. Remey was an architect of international reputation and a man of some wealth. Construction of the "Remeum" began in 1939 and was finished in 1948, with more than 2 million bricks, and In 1962 the church vestry, motivated by concerns over the size of the ediface and serious problems with vandalism, began to negotiate with Remey to break the 1937 contract. An agreement signed in Federal District Court in 1968 gave Remey until April 1973 to remove anything he wanted from the mausoleum, thereafter ownership reverted to the church. Relatives had @15 burials removed to Pompey, N. Y., and by 1973, the year the building was demolished, only Remey's wife GERTRUDE was still there. Her remains were reinterred at Pohick Church before demolition began.”
[last edit 12/16/2004 3:37 AM by Rogue - edited 1 times]
I grew up in a town just a few miles away. We used to hear stories of this creepy haunted burial grounds guarded by demons. None but the bravest “coolest” kids in school had ever been inside the walls let alone enter the catacombs.
We drove there listening to Black Sabbath which in retrospect may have been a bad idea. We parked the car half a mile down the road and crept through a thick forest to reach the massive brick walls of the forgotten haunted catacombs.
The entrances to the underground tombs were in a sculpture garden courtyard formed by vaults and a twelve foot brick walls with oversized iron gates at one end. Of course the gates were locked by heavy chains. To enter one climbed trees that had grown up beside the wall. Once on top of the wall, we merely lowered ourselves over the side by a short piece of rope we found tied to the tree and draped over the wall. The rope didn’t reach nearly half way down the wall so we just hung and dropped when we reached the bottom.
We mad our way through numerous smaller courtyards and by statues and carvings, searching for entrances to the underground crypts rumored to be much larger then the five acres above ground. I remember feeling the stare of stone eyes from the grotesque statues and wanting very badly to leave. But we hadn’t thought out our plan very well for the short rope wouldn’t be much help getting us out and there were no trees on the inside that would help us climb out. We were going to have to boost one another up, with the last of us not having a boost, having to really rely on someone up top somehow pulling them up from above. None of us wanted to be the first to ask to leave.
We pressed on looking for the legendary entrance to the underground world rumored to have more fantastic statues and carvings than on the surface. From the distant side of the courtyard we heard a pinging noise like a ball peen hammer on a train rail. We turned off our flashlights hushed each other to get a better listen. Suddenly we heard footsteps rushing toward us. We took cover behind the sculptures when appearing out of the darkness were the familiar figures of three of our classmates, apparently also exploring but now for whatever reason “fleeing” and unaware of our presence.
Without even knowing what they were running from, I decided to join them in their exit except as I emerged from my hiding space they practically fainted at the site of me. They calmed themselves and caught their breath, claiming to have gotten a metal vault door partially open and seeing “something”: … the hideous face of someone or something just inside the door...
“No way!“ we said but they didn’t take time to debate and just resumed their getaway. Our group stood frozen for a moment as we thought about going to see the face for our selves or running for our lives. We paused for a few moments and since no demons were pursuing our friends we decided it was safe to go investigate what they might have seen.
Along one brick wall we found a metal door partially bent back and pried open. We approached cautiously but soon we were all tugging on the door. One of my friends put a big foot on the wall and leaned back pulling the door back telling me to slip in. while he held it. Anxious to show courage I proceed to do so thinking this was going to make me a legend in my school. I put my flashlight in first and looked around the dusty cobwebbed room. I decided that the first three explorers were pussys… because there was no way anyone had opened this door in years, there was an inch of dust.
We pried back the door just enough for me to get the top of my torso and one arm in. I shown the light around and spotted a wall of open vaults to my right but something moved in front of me causing me to jerk the light in that direction. There in the darkness was a partially illuminated hideous snarling face looking right at me. I screamed in horror and started to back out but my friends dropped the door and bolted backward momentarily trapping me in the door, face to face with the demon creature of the underworld or whatever was inside. Still yelling I looked up at the creature again…. And realized it was not moving from it spot …merely writhing in place… I looked closer and finally realized I was looking at my own reflection in a polished granite wall … holding the light below my own face screaming at my own reflection.
I still don’t know how I got out of the door. My buddies had ran. I was the last one out but managed to scale that wall. I got my fingers on the ledge and one of my buddies pulled me over. We ran like rabbits threw the woods, jumped in the car and squealed wheels. Later and for years there was lots of laughter… but no further explanation… just too creepy!
About fifteen years later I briefly reexplored in daylight hours. It had been partially demolished, but some of the statues and carvings were still there. I don’t know if anything is left now.(12/04) Researching years later I discovered this was the Remey Family Mausoleum (Remeum) built in In 1937 CHARLES MASON REMEY (1874-1974) County records say it was completely demolished because of a problem with vandals. It was located @1/2 mile southwest of Pohick Episcopal Church, 9301 Richmond Hwy., Lorton, Va.. The church is still there and is very much an active church.
The real story:
“Mr. Remey contracted with Pohick Episcopal Church for 5.2 acres of land to build a mausoleum for his family. Remey reportedly chose Pohick Church because GEORGE MASON IV, his great grandfather, was a vestryman. Remey was an architect of international reputation and a man of some wealth. Construction of the "Remeum" began in 1939 and was finished in 1948, with more than 2 million bricks, and In 1962 the church vestry, motivated by concerns over the size of the ediface and serious problems with vandalism, began to negotiate with Remey to break the 1937 contract. An agreement signed in Federal District Court in 1968 gave Remey until April 1973 to remove anything he wanted from the mausoleum, thereafter ownership reverted to the church. Relatives had @15 burials removed to Pompey, N. Y., and by 1973, the year the building was demolished, only Remey's wife GERTRUDE was still there. Her remains were reinterred at Pohick Church before demolition began.”
[last edit 12/16/2004 3:37 AM by Rogue - edited 1 times]
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Mofo
()
Date: December 14, 2009 07:57PM
Does anyone have pics of this place? I've never heard of it and it sounds very intereting, I've looked at the links and don't see anything.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Real Sculler
()
Date: December 15, 2009 10:36AM
I'm with Mofo. I need to see pictures of this place from back in the day IMMEDIATELY. It sounds like it was pretty badass back in the day, and it would probably be cool to poke around today as well.
GMU Hokie, that GoGomag site won't let you see those pictures from the 70's without a donation. Any other source of photos you know of?
The nerd in me has a HUGE hard-on for good pictures from back in the day.
GMU Hokie, that GoGomag site won't let you see those pictures from the 70's without a donation. Any other source of photos you know of?
The nerd in me has a HUGE hard-on for good pictures from back in the day.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
GMU Hokie
()
Date: December 15, 2009 11:59AM
Sculler,
You might try the Virginia Room at the Fairfax City Regional Library or even the office at Pohick Church.
Perhaps your luck will be better there.
You might try the Virginia Room at the Fairfax City Regional Library or even the office at Pohick Church.
Perhaps your luck will be better there.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Real Sculler
()
Date: December 15, 2009 12:52PM
That is an option (and I might take the time to do it), but if I'm gonna take the time I'll probably just go down to Lorton and poke around in the woods. I have a pretty good idea of where it was, based on Historicaerials.com. Based on the aerial photo from '62, it was pretty impressive at about 500 feet long and 200 feet wide. It seems pretty accessible through about 300 feet of woods. If you look at the 2005 aerial you can see that the trees that have overgrown the area are a different shade, practically making a perfect outline of where it was. I'm pretty sure ticks are out of season right now. Hopefully this link works:
Fuck. Nevermind. I can't get the link to work. But if you have the patience to deal with Historicaerials.com, it's pretty cool.
Fuck. Nevermind. I can't get the link to work. But if you have the patience to deal with Historicaerials.com, it's pretty cool.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Real Sculler
()
Date: December 16, 2009 08:35AM
So I'm pretty curious, can anyone who was around back in the mid-late 70's remember whether or not they dug up and destroyed the underground chambers of the mausoleum, or did they just mow down all the statues and structures above ground? I was wondering if there is anything still underground and if there's still access to it somehow. If the vandals from the 70's really caused that much damage and people frequented the place that often, I'm thinking for safety purposes that they probably dug up and destroyed all the underground passages/chambers, but I was just hopeful.
The link to the norvpics.com forum has a guy saying in the 90's that the ground where it was is still 4 feet higher than anywhere else in the woods. So it makes me wonder.
The link to the norvpics.com forum has a guy saying in the 90's that the ground where it was is still 4 feet higher than anywhere else in the woods. So it makes me wonder.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Alan Rogers
()
Date: December 17, 2009 09:17PM
I have been there in 1979. The entrance to the crypt was blocked by a large mound of dirt, accessable by a small opening at the top. Inside was a fairly large main room with statues, off to each side of this room were two smaller rooms with sarcophagus; their lids were pushed aside. At the back of the main room was a T passageway with smaller rooms branching off of it. The outside of the tomb was a large overgrown mound with metal vent pipes. Just outside the entrance to the tomb was a long 20ft. tall brick wall that had artistic reliefs of American History on it; the Pilgrims Thanksgiving with the Native Americans etc. Also there was a 30ft. tall obelisk dedicated to Charles Manson Remeys father's Naval service. The mausoleum cost over 2 million to build. Remey was involved in the Baha'i Faith of Iran, born 1874- died 1974; search Remeum.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
CBLB78
()
Date: December 17, 2009 09:19PM
I frequented the cyrpts back in the mid 70's. The pics of norvapics.com show what it was like down there; it's worth going to the Lorton section and viewing the pics. They show some of the fabulous statues, marble entombments, etc. left behind.
They did not dig up and destroy the underground passages. They plowed dirt over the structure in an attempt to bury it but that was only superficial. There was a dirt tunnel you had to climb down through to come in from the ceiling of the mausoleum. There were statues whose heads were broken off with candles lit on top, other marble structures, passages and other rooms. All were littered with remnants of the parties that went on there regularly. You needed a flashlight to get there through the woods and for light down inside the structure. Plenty of beer drinking and pot smoking down there. You never knew who might already be down there when you entered. All types of people were down there at any given time.
I'm sure we had a real risk of a cave in or some other calamity but nobody seemed to be worried about it. The bigger risk was dealing with the cops on your way to and from the crypts. I understand the vast majority of vandalism took place in the sixties which is why the court ordered the place to be shut down and gave Remy 5 years to remove all the bodies, etc. before demolition.
See the following link:
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/branches/vr/cem/cem100.htm
They did not dig up and destroy the underground passages. They plowed dirt over the structure in an attempt to bury it but that was only superficial. There was a dirt tunnel you had to climb down through to come in from the ceiling of the mausoleum. There were statues whose heads were broken off with candles lit on top, other marble structures, passages and other rooms. All were littered with remnants of the parties that went on there regularly. You needed a flashlight to get there through the woods and for light down inside the structure. Plenty of beer drinking and pot smoking down there. You never knew who might already be down there when you entered. All types of people were down there at any given time.
I'm sure we had a real risk of a cave in or some other calamity but nobody seemed to be worried about it. The bigger risk was dealing with the cops on your way to and from the crypts. I understand the vast majority of vandalism took place in the sixties which is why the court ordered the place to be shut down and gave Remy 5 years to remove all the bodies, etc. before demolition.
See the following link:
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/branches/vr/cem/cem100.htm
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Real Sculler
()
Date: December 18, 2009 07:24AM
Wow. Thanks for the replies. I didn't think anyone would answer.
That's awesome that they didn't dig up the underground chambers. I figured for sure that they would have. Finding an entrance should be interesting, if it's at all still accessible. I'm not counting on the entrance being easy to find because I feel like if it was people would still go down there, unless a generation of kids just didn't find that interesting anymore (which would be their loss). I'm not too worried about the cops because I don't plan on vandalizing anything, and I don't imagine that they still have anyone on the Force that has any idea what they hell's back there anymore!
For the obvious reasons, there will be no exploring this weekend.
CBLB78, was the entrance to the dirt tunnel near the main structure? I have a rough idea of where that was based on Historicaerials.com, but I was hoping for more details.
That's awesome that they didn't dig up the underground chambers. I figured for sure that they would have. Finding an entrance should be interesting, if it's at all still accessible. I'm not counting on the entrance being easy to find because I feel like if it was people would still go down there, unless a generation of kids just didn't find that interesting anymore (which would be their loss). I'm not too worried about the cops because I don't plan on vandalizing anything, and I don't imagine that they still have anyone on the Force that has any idea what they hell's back there anymore!
For the obvious reasons, there will be no exploring this weekend.
CBLB78, was the entrance to the dirt tunnel near the main structure? I have a rough idea of where that was based on Historicaerials.com, but I was hoping for more details.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Real Sculler
()
Date: December 18, 2009 08:42AM
Seeing as this monstrousity was over 500 feet long, was the entrance into the chambers on the end that was torwards Old Colchester Road (South), or Route 1 (North)?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: December 18, 2009 10:00AM
Haven't been back there in a long time but a friend and I heard about this place back in the early nineties from an older sister who had hung out there. We went to check it out and all we could find was the marble memorial, I rememeber it being about 100 feet tall and it was just really weird that it was the only thing in the middle of the woods. There is a large mound of dirt in front of the memorial, you would walk past the mound if you enter from Rt. 1 to get to the memorial. There is a square brick structure that sticks out of the end of the mound opposite the memorial, it appers to be a vent since there are small openings at the top of it but not anywhere near large enough for a person to fit in. I remember going out there at least five or six times and we searched all around that mound of dirt for an entrance but could not find one. I do remember that if you walked in from Rt. 1 and then went behind the memorial there where some small square cement markers that stuck out of the ground maybe a foot or so and they seemed to be arranged in a semi circle around the back of the memorial, they were probably 50 feet or so behind the memorial in the woods. We could never figure out what they were for and even went to the church and asked about it but no one seemed to know anything about them. I haven't been out there in years but when I used to go we would always access the area by walking down the driveway of the house that is to the right of the church and about half way down the driveway there is an old overgrown road that leads off to the right, you don't have to get very close to the house and we were never bothered when walking back through there. Follow that old road back into the woods and you will eventually see the mound of dirt and the memorial. The house I'm talking about would be to the right of the church if you came down Pohick Rd to where it dead ends into Rt. 1.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: December 18, 2009 10:18AM
Thanks, I'm definately planning on checking it out. That helps out as far as what to expect, and like I said, I wasn't expecting an entrance to be at all obvious much less existing.
But if anyone else has been there lately and knows of an entrance, let me know!
But if anyone else has been there lately and knows of an entrance, let me know!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
CBLB78
()
Date: December 18, 2009 03:49PM
It was right over the top of the main structure but I'd be shocked if they didn't go back and do a better job of sealing it off.
The info from the 90's is better than any specific location information I can remember. You have to realize that my visits were around 35 years ago. They were also always under the dark of night and the haze of Strohs, Schlitz or Schaefer beer and good columbian weed. :)
You don't see much of any of that anymore.
The info from the 90's is better than any specific location information I can remember. You have to realize that my visits were around 35 years ago. They were also always under the dark of night and the haze of Strohs, Schlitz or Schaefer beer and good columbian weed. :)
You don't see much of any of that anymore.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Cary
()
Date: December 18, 2009 08:47PM
The following image was uploaded anonymously using the anonymous image upload tool available here: http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/media/uploadfile.html
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Real Sculler
()
Date: December 21, 2009 10:39AM
Cary, fucking awesome. Period.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
496
()
Date: December 21, 2009 11:56AM
Creepy looking place. That shot would be fantastic with snow falling.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Real Sculler
()
Date: December 22, 2009 07:52AM
Hey Cary,
I tried my hand at using the upload tool and failed. If you have a minute, can you work your magic and post a few more pics. Now that I've gotten a taste I need more.
I tried my hand at using the upload tool and failed. If you have a minute, can you work your magic and post a few more pics. Now that I've gotten a taste I need more.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hippie
()
Date: December 22, 2009 07:13PM
I uploaded the picture above using the upload tool. Not sure how it made to this thread but I assume Cary is an administrator on this sight and did it. I uploaded five more pictures last night using the upload tool. Waiting for them to show up on this thread.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
trogdor!
()
Date: December 22, 2009 07:25PM
Hippie Wrote:
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> I uploaded the picture above using the upload
> tool. Not sure how it made to this thread but I
> assume Cary is an administrator on this sight and
> did it. I uploaded five more pictures last night
> using the upload tool. Waiting for them to show up
> on this thread.
Very cool pic. I'm interested in seeing more. I believe you can upload them right into the tread too if you want.
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> I uploaded the picture above using the upload
> tool. Not sure how it made to this thread but I
> assume Cary is an administrator on this sight and
> did it. I uploaded five more pictures last night
> using the upload tool. Waiting for them to show up
> on this thread.
Very cool pic. I'm interested in seeing more. I believe you can upload them right into the tread too if you want.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Genevieve
()
Date: December 22, 2009 07:44PM
Are there any pictures of the original building? It seems like such a shame to cover up something like that. Stupid vandals. Nowadays they'd be fighting off the kids that think they're vampires.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Dirty Jersey
()
Date: December 22, 2009 08:22PM
And if anyones having a hard time using historicaerials.com, heres the '62 aerial photo of the crypt.
And from 'birds eye' on Bing maps you can clearly see the monument still standing (hit the rotate arrows on the left to see different angles)
http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=qfj0b28k07p6&scene=22944946&lvl=2&sty=b
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/22/2009 08:35PM by Dirty Jersey.
And from 'birds eye' on Bing maps you can clearly see the monument still standing (hit the rotate arrows on the left to see different angles)
http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=qfj0b28k07p6&scene=22944946&lvl=2&sty=b
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Real Sculler
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Date: December 23, 2009 07:17AM
Thanks for the links, especially the bing.com! That monument should make it pretty hard to miss when I go looking for it. I'm kinda curious about whether or not Poes Road is still in existance and if you can follow it in.
If anyone can post those uploaded pictures that'd awesome!
If anyone can post those uploaded pictures that'd awesome!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Cary
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Date: December 23, 2009 07:01PM
The following images were uploaded anonymously using the anonymous image upload tool available here: http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/media/uploadfile.html
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
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Date: December 23, 2009 09:26PM
In the above pictures, the last big picture is an outside view of the hole that you had to enter and then climb down to enter the chamber of the crypt. What you had to climb down on the inside is shown in the first small picture. Looks like it's a gate that they tried to block off.
The second small picture shows the inside of the crypt which was really dark (most of the time people went there at night) and the ground had a lot of stones on it which made it hard to walk. In the back was a smaller room where people would sit and party. I remember there being some kind of stone slab which you could sit on. I also remember there being a marble plaque of a battleship in one of the walls.
The large pictures above were taken in the fall of 1982 when I was driving home from college for fall break. I stopped at the Pohick Crypts to show them to a friend who I was giving a ride home. I'm mad at myself for only having taken three pictures. I found the three small pictures on a high school web site.
The second small picture shows the inside of the crypt which was really dark (most of the time people went there at night) and the ground had a lot of stones on it which made it hard to walk. In the back was a smaller room where people would sit and party. I remember there being some kind of stone slab which you could sit on. I also remember there being a marble plaque of a battleship in one of the walls.
The large pictures above were taken in the fall of 1982 when I was driving home from college for fall break. I stopped at the Pohick Crypts to show them to a friend who I was giving a ride home. I'm mad at myself for only having taken three pictures. I found the three small pictures on a high school web site.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: December 24, 2009 06:55AM
Oh Man! Just fuckin' sweet! Thanks alot for the pictures!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: December 24, 2009 06:57AM
Hey, in relation to the tall, skinny tower (first large picture), where is the entrance (2nd picture) with what looks like "91" over it?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
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Date: December 24, 2009 06:38PM
The very first picture of this thread (the landscape view) was taken looking towards Route 1. I stood basically in the same spot and turned to the left and took the picture of the tower. (I never noticed this until now, but the first two pictures posted both contain the same shadow which can be used to relate the pictures) The entrance that you climbed down (the 91 picture) is in the back middle of the landscape picture but you can't really make the connection looking at the pictures. But if you walked straight through the arch in the very first picture and through a courtyard, you would have ended up at the entrance you had to climb down (the 91 picture).
Walking through the woods from Route 1 and past the house in the woods on the left (as described in previous posts) the first thing you would have come to on your right was the "91" picture. You can see they tried to block the entrance gate by piling up a bunch of dirt in front of the gate but it didn't work at keeping people out.
Walking through the woods from Route 1 and past the house in the woods on the left (as described in previous posts) the first thing you would have come to on your right was the "91" picture. You can see they tried to block the entrance gate by piling up a bunch of dirt in front of the gate but it didn't work at keeping people out.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
native 63
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Date: December 26, 2009 09:01AM
It was the summer of 1977 my buddies Donald, Tommy and Adam and I went to see the movie The Sentinal at mount vernon theater then went down to the crypts as we did many times. This night we took a couple of 9 volt flood lights with us. We met this older dude out side the gate. He asked us for a beer and when we gave it to him he poped it open and asked us if we wanted to check out the lower level. We nearly pissed our pants. We crawled down to the main level and walked back to the smaller room off to thr right as shown in photo #4 above. Our lights really let us see well for the first time. This older guy had us help him lift a big broken piece of marble that was laying flat on the floor. It took all of us to lift it and the old guy made us promise to put it back before we moved it, which we did. Under the slab was a metal grate with a stairwell leading down. The opening was about 5ft by 3ft there were about ten stairs. The room below was about 25ft by 20ft. In the room was a large "family tomb" (marble casket) and two really small tombs. The celing was about ten ft high with a large metal candlelabra. The walls had some really cool marble plaques inbedded in the brick walls. Our lights only lasted about ten minuets and putting the slab back in the total darkness was a bitch but we promised the old dude. The only time I went back after that was with chicks and I wasn't to check out the crypt.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Stoney
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Date: December 27, 2009 09:54AM
I always heard about there being additional underground levels but never knew how to get to them. I have a local newspaper article about the mausoleum and it says it "had five levels of underground chambers". When I get a chance I scan it and post it.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: December 28, 2009 12:31PM
"And "The Crypts!" Ahh, yes, popular place for the "heads" to hang out in my high-school years. What you're talking about is the "Remeum" - the Remy family mausoleum. It's still there, but most of the structures are destroyed or inaccessible because they bulldozed dirt over the entrances (yes they did it once before and someone dug a hole in the mound to get in the door you had to slide down in - very spooky. Fairly complex inside with several unused stone sarcophagi in the back rooms. Any residents had long sense been moved. Google Remeum if you're curious.
It's on the back property of the old Pohick Episcoal Church (George Washington's family church) on Rt 1 in Lorton. Along with many No Tresspassing signs - and the holes are once again filled over. It's a shame because back when it was new, it must have really been something to see. There was a bas-reilef of a WW2 battleship set in one of the exterior wall and other stuff of that sort. Statues, etc."
I found this post from "John B" from the "Western Theme Park" thread when people were talking about the good old days around Fairfax. Seeing as the "91" picture is at least 15 years old, I'm guessing that the entrance has in fact been bulldozed over once again and that there are more than enough "No Trespassing" for one not to be able to play stupid should the cops show up.
Major bummer, but I should've guessed that someone would plow over it in order to keep people out. I'm thinking that if it was still accessible kids would still be going down there to have a good scare. Even with kids being as lame as they are today, 3 potential stories of underground burial chambers just sounds like ALOT of fun to explore!
Regardless, I still plan on taking a look for myself.
It's on the back property of the old Pohick Episcoal Church (George Washington's family church) on Rt 1 in Lorton. Along with many No Tresspassing signs - and the holes are once again filled over. It's a shame because back when it was new, it must have really been something to see. There was a bas-reilef of a WW2 battleship set in one of the exterior wall and other stuff of that sort. Statues, etc."
I found this post from "John B" from the "Western Theme Park" thread when people were talking about the good old days around Fairfax. Seeing as the "91" picture is at least 15 years old, I'm guessing that the entrance has in fact been bulldozed over once again and that there are more than enough "No Trespassing" for one not to be able to play stupid should the cops show up.
Major bummer, but I should've guessed that someone would plow over it in order to keep people out. I'm thinking that if it was still accessible kids would still be going down there to have a good scare. Even with kids being as lame as they are today, 3 potential stories of underground burial chambers just sounds like ALOT of fun to explore!
Regardless, I still plan on taking a look for myself.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Area Man
()
Date: December 28, 2009 01:18PM
I don't think that the 91 in the photo is indicative of a year. I went out there in the winter of 87/88 with some friends who had been going there for years and almost everything had already been bulldozed over. The only thing left was the obelisk. A large area around the obelisk was raised about 4 feet, we had to scramble up an incline with lots of rubble mixed in with loose dirt to get to where the entrance had been. We didn't look around too much, it was dark and we were scared that people from the nearby house would come over because their dog kept barking. My friends looked for any kind of way down into the crypts, but they said that the one remaining entrance had been demolished.
My friends later heard that they decided to raze the whole thing because one of the local biker gangs, The Pharaohs, had been going into the crypt area to party.
My friends later heard that they decided to raze the whole thing because one of the local biker gangs, The Pharaohs, had been going into the crypt area to party.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: December 28, 2009 01:36PM
It'd probably still be worth having a look around in the daylight.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: December 28, 2009 02:14PM
Are you sure it was the Pharoahs? When I look them up, all I find is sight about an African-American Motorcycle Club that's all about helping the community and crap like that. They don't really come across as the kind of hell-raisers that would drive the county to tear it down due to their wild parties. Sounds more like something the Pagans would do.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
native 63
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Date: December 28, 2009 03:02PM
here is a pic of the ol man.
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Posted by:
Area Man
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Date: December 28, 2009 04:01PM
Not sure about the exact biker gang. My friends grew up in that area and when we went there they were also nervous about running into bikers. Someone else might remember if any bikers did really use that place to party.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hatemotor
()
Date: December 28, 2009 04:29PM
Area Man Wrote:
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> Not sure about the exact biker gang. My friends
> grew up in that area and when we went there they
> were also nervous about running into bikers.
> Someone else might remember if any bikers did
> really use that place to party.
It was the Pagans hangout,,,,,they had a big rumble with the Hell's Angels on halloween night in the early 80's--tons of ambulances out in front of the church--after that we never saw any Pagans in Lorton again
I assume the rumble did not go well for them
They lived in Lorton in the late 70's-early 80's,,,raised hell etc
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> Not sure about the exact biker gang. My friends
> grew up in that area and when we went there they
> were also nervous about running into bikers.
> Someone else might remember if any bikers did
> really use that place to party.
It was the Pagans hangout,,,,,they had a big rumble with the Hell's Angels on halloween night in the early 80's--tons of ambulances out in front of the church--after that we never saw any Pagans in Lorton again
I assume the rumble did not go well for them
They lived in Lorton in the late 70's-early 80's,,,raised hell etc
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
GMU Hokie
()
Date: December 28, 2009 06:15PM
Which gang had the house on Guinea Road where the black girl was raped?
I heard the Klan, not fond of race mixing, once showed up there after the news got out and had a rumble with the bikers.
I heard the Klan, not fond of race mixing, once showed up there after the news got out and had a rumble with the bikers.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bob saget
()
Date: January 15, 2010 03:18PM
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Start living, or start dying.
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Start living, or start dying.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jimbo
()
Date: January 16, 2010 01:52AM
I used to visit the crypts a lot in the mid and late 70's. The church Rector or some caretaker had a house 100 yards from the path. He had dogs that he would let loose if he heard you walking down the path. That is why we only went by that entrance in the summer (leaves hid our approach). In the winter, we would go through the woods and arrive on the opposite side of the crypts.
We heard about the extra underground floors to but could never get to them.
Once, we had to wait out the cops for about 45 minutes with no lights or sound while we watched their legs pass by the outside of the entrance.
My younger went back there about ten years ago and it has been completely leveled. He said that there was no way of getting back in.
It sure was a cool and scary place to bring friends when you had no money to do anything else.
We heard about the extra underground floors to but could never get to them.
Once, we had to wait out the cops for about 45 minutes with no lights or sound while we watched their legs pass by the outside of the entrance.
My younger went back there about ten years ago and it has been completely leveled. He said that there was no way of getting back in.
It sure was a cool and scary place to bring friends when you had no money to do anything else.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jimbo
()
Date: January 16, 2010 01:57AM
Here's a photo I took of some of my highschool buddies posing behing the statue of Remey & his wife.
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Posted by:
Jimbo
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Date: January 16, 2010 01:59AM
Here's another friend lying in the large stone sarcophagus in the left rear room. I thinks he was class valedictorian! Seriously.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Elle Diabla
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Date: January 16, 2010 09:56AM
Ewwww, is that sewage that he's lying in??
And did Remey's wife have no legs???
And did Remey's wife have no legs???
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 18, 2010 07:05AM
Hip Wrote:
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> The very first picture of this thread (the
> landscape view) was taken looking towards Route 1.
> I stood basically in the same spot and turned to
> the left and took the picture of the tower. (I
> never noticed this until now, but the first two
> pictures posted both contain the same shadow which
> can be used to relate the pictures) The entrance
> that you climbed down (the 91 picture) is in the
> back middle of the landscape picture but you can't
> really make the connection looking at the
> pictures. But if you walked straight through the
> arch in the very first picture and through a
> courtyard, you would have ended up at the entrance
> you had to climb down (the 91 picture).
>
> Walking through the woods from Route 1 and past
> the house in the woods on the left (as described
> in previous posts) the first thing you would have
> come to on your right was the "91" picture. You
> can see they tried to block the entrance gate by
> piling up a bunch of dirt in front of the gate but
> it didn't work at keeping people out.
Bob, I think this is the best description thus far on how to find the entrance. Granted, the archway leading into the courtyard may not be there anymore, but it does let you know where it would be in relation to the large "tower" that is obviously still there based on the www.bing.com pictures.
If anyone can recall how far it might have been from the tower that would help, even an approximate distance.
Let us know what you find. The underground chambers are sure to still be there. I'm thinking they just plowed alot of dirt over everything to discourage people from going in, and also confuse them as to where the entrance is. But if you're armed with some good information and willing to do some digging I'm sure it'll be worth your while, based on the pictures (thanks for the latest addition, Jimbo).
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> The very first picture of this thread (the
> landscape view) was taken looking towards Route 1.
> I stood basically in the same spot and turned to
> the left and took the picture of the tower. (I
> never noticed this until now, but the first two
> pictures posted both contain the same shadow which
> can be used to relate the pictures) The entrance
> that you climbed down (the 91 picture) is in the
> back middle of the landscape picture but you can't
> really make the connection looking at the
> pictures. But if you walked straight through the
> arch in the very first picture and through a
> courtyard, you would have ended up at the entrance
> you had to climb down (the 91 picture).
>
> Walking through the woods from Route 1 and past
> the house in the woods on the left (as described
> in previous posts) the first thing you would have
> come to on your right was the "91" picture. You
> can see they tried to block the entrance gate by
> piling up a bunch of dirt in front of the gate but
> it didn't work at keeping people out.
Bob, I think this is the best description thus far on how to find the entrance. Granted, the archway leading into the courtyard may not be there anymore, but it does let you know where it would be in relation to the large "tower" that is obviously still there based on the www.bing.com pictures.
If anyone can recall how far it might have been from the tower that would help, even an approximate distance.
Let us know what you find. The underground chambers are sure to still be there. I'm thinking they just plowed alot of dirt over everything to discourage people from going in, and also confuse them as to where the entrance is. But if you're armed with some good information and willing to do some digging I'm sure it'll be worth your while, based on the pictures (thanks for the latest addition, Jimbo).
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: January 18, 2010 07:29AM
Jimbo Wrote:
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> My younger went back there about ten years ago and
> it has been completely leveled. He said that there
> was no way of getting back in.
That is very disappointing.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
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> My younger went back there about ten years ago and
> it has been completely leveled. He said that there
> was no way of getting back in.
That is very disappointing.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 18, 2010 07:56AM
Where there's a will, there's a way.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Rob
()
Date: January 18, 2010 05:07PM
Maybe the 1st annual fairfax underground get together?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: January 20, 2010 07:42PM
Last Monday afternoon I went out to the Pohick Crypts. The same old gate was there in front of the path that leads to the Crypt. Did not see any No Trespassing signs. They tried to block the path with a bunch of cut down trees but it wasn't that hard to climb around it. I ended up walking through the woods on the right side of path, away from the Rector's house. The brick cross is still there and was easy to find. I haven't been out there since 1983 but the area is now overgrown with sticker bushes and trees (must be really bad to walk around there in the summer). It looks like the whole area where the actual crypts were is now buried and there's a hill there now. The area used to be pretty flat and only had tall grass. Could not see anything from the original crypt except two brick structures that look like some type of vents.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: January 20, 2010 07:48PM
Pictures from 1/18/2010
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Posted by:
Hip
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Date: January 20, 2010 07:51PM
Looking from the cross towards where the crypts used to be.
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Posted by:
Hip
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Date: January 20, 2010 08:01PM
Here are some pictures of the two vent like structures. They're close together, separated by about 10 feet.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 21, 2010 07:33AM
After seeing the pictures of the vents (which are great, by the way. Thanks alot Hip), I'm thinking that those are probably the best way in.
If there are not any 'No Tresspassing' signs (which is GREAT news) then I feel like that leaves you alot of options. If someone's out in the middle of the woods and they were to take a few swings at the vents with a hammer in order to create a hole in the side of the vent large enough to fit in, hopefully no one will notice. And I'm thinking if those structures are over 65 years old, it won't take much to get some of the bricks out with that old mortar holding it together. Then it's just a matter of tying a rope to one of those sturdy looking trees and having the balls to drop yourself down the vent with a decent flashlight. No digging required! Hell, you can see right through that one vent!
Of course, make sure you've got the upper body strength to pull your ass out. Because that would all kinds of suck to be stuck down there. Those batteries are only gonna last for so long, and ain't NOBODY gonna hear you yelling from down there.
If there are not any 'No Tresspassing' signs (which is GREAT news) then I feel like that leaves you alot of options. If someone's out in the middle of the woods and they were to take a few swings at the vents with a hammer in order to create a hole in the side of the vent large enough to fit in, hopefully no one will notice. And I'm thinking if those structures are over 65 years old, it won't take much to get some of the bricks out with that old mortar holding it together. Then it's just a matter of tying a rope to one of those sturdy looking trees and having the balls to drop yourself down the vent with a decent flashlight. No digging required! Hell, you can see right through that one vent!
Of course, make sure you've got the upper body strength to pull your ass out. Because that would all kinds of suck to be stuck down there. Those batteries are only gonna last for so long, and ain't NOBODY gonna hear you yelling from down there.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
MrDoctor
()
Date: January 21, 2010 10:10AM
The vent is the access point. Lets schedule a fairfax underground dig
Edit: "and ain't NOBODY gonna hear you yelling from down there."
Dont tempt anyone
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Edit: "and ain't NOBODY gonna hear you yelling from down there."
Dont tempt anyone
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Access
()
Date: January 21, 2010 04:56PM
Access via the vents may be difficult; they look like they are not hollow. Here are photos my friends took when they visited in 2005.
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Posted by:
Numbers
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Date: January 21, 2010 06:56PM
I've been there many times. When we were teenagers, we used to take chicks there and party. You'd have to climb down a few levels to get to the area where people partied. Rumor was that the Pagans Motorcycle gang are responsible for destroying the statues and stuff. It used to be that on any given friday or saturday night, there would be people down there drinking and smoking pot.
It was a great way to get chicks to hang all over you because they were so spooked by it. There was only candles or flashlights and if either went out, you were fucked. The only scary part for me was getting in and out of it and sometimes the cops would stop by and people would scatter like roaches.
I wish there were more creepy places like that still around for kids today.
It was a great way to get chicks to hang all over you because they were so spooked by it. There was only candles or flashlights and if either went out, you were fucked. The only scary part for me was getting in and out of it and sometimes the cops would stop by and people would scatter like roaches.
I wish there were more creepy places like that still around for kids today.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Mofo
()
Date: January 21, 2010 09:54PM
Fantastic photos, a very interesting part of local history.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 22, 2010 07:25AM
Well, Access, that certainly is another potential wrinkle. If all the vents are constructed like that it probably means they're not very accessible, at least not without ALOT more demolition than I'd had in mind. The flu pipes obviously look too skinny for the average person to fit down, and that's a shitload of concrete in between the 3 of them. I still wanna get a look at them myself with a flashlight and see if I'm able to get a look down into them and try and get an idea of how far down they go.
But looking back at your friend's pictures, one of those vents has 3 holes in the side and one has 4. So maybe they're not all constructed the same way and some are potentially more accessible than others (we can only hope). I'm gonna have to take a look for myself in the near future.
But looking back at your friend's pictures, one of those vents has 3 holes in the side and one has 4. So maybe they're not all constructed the same way and some are potentially more accessible than others (we can only hope). I'm gonna have to take a look for myself in the near future.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 22, 2010 10:20AM
Just for a reference, can anyone from back in the day give me an idea of how far underground the entrance to the crypts were back in the 80's before they buried the whole thing. I'm trying to get a picture of how far down the vents go that are still above ground.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
JImbo
()
Date: January 23, 2010 04:21PM
We used to light candles and lie down on the slabs to creep out any newbies that we would bring down there. It backfired once because someone came to the entrance while we were down in the crypt and we had little birthday candles lit all over the place. It's hard to hide and pretend no one is down there when they see candles everywhere (that only burn for 5-10 minutes max).
One night, the place filled with people who came in after us. They got too wild and too loud, knocking over things, shouting and screaming. We knew it was only a matter of time before the cops came so we left for the road. On the way to our car, we walked through the Pohick Church Cemetery and rang the huge bell in the graveyard. Man, it was really loud! We ran like scared rabbits, running into each other and tripping over grave markers. As we pulled away in our car, we saw a Police paddy wagon pulling onto the access road. Good timing for us!
It sure was a lot of fun!
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One night, the place filled with people who came in after us. They got too wild and too loud, knocking over things, shouting and screaming. We knew it was only a matter of time before the cops came so we left for the road. On the way to our car, we walked through the Pohick Church Cemetery and rang the huge bell in the graveyard. Man, it was really loud! We ran like scared rabbits, running into each other and tripping over grave markers. As we pulled away in our car, we saw a Police paddy wagon pulling onto the access road. Good timing for us!
It sure was a lot of fun!
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Posted by:
Jimbo
()
Date: January 23, 2010 04:30PM
That huge stone coffin/sarcophagus just to bury one little Budweiser can, hmmm.
I brought my then future wife to the crypts one evening before going out to the movies in Springfield. We got about 1/3 down the path from the street when we heard dogs running through the woods towards us. We turned to run just when they popped out onto the path to bark and growl at us. I think they were golden retrievers, but I am not sure. I remember that they did not look that menacing but I wasn't going to put it to the test. My girlfriend/wife could barely run in her sandals. I never did get her into the crypts.
It made for a good creepy mood for the horror movie we were going to see.
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I brought my then future wife to the crypts one evening before going out to the movies in Springfield. We got about 1/3 down the path from the street when we heard dogs running through the woods towards us. We turned to run just when they popped out onto the path to bark and growl at us. I think they were golden retrievers, but I am not sure. I remember that they did not look that menacing but I wasn't going to put it to the test. My girlfriend/wife could barely run in her sandals. I never did get her into the crypts.
It made for a good creepy mood for the horror movie we were going to see.
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Posted by:
Jimbo
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Date: January 23, 2010 04:34PM
I wonder if someone could lower a video camera down one of those vents (the kind with the infra red light source that will work in total darkness.. Sony makes them) from a rope and see what is down there? I have a cheapo Sony handycam with 'nightshot' feature but I do not live close enough to try this.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 25, 2010 07:04AM
Jimbo Wrote:
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> I wonder if someone could lower a video camera
> down one of those vents (the kind with the infra
> red light source that will work in total
> darkness.. Sony makes them) from a rope and see
> what is down there? I have a cheapo Sony handycam
> with 'nightshot' feature but I do not live close
> enough to try this.
I was thinking of something along those lines when I was brainstorming this weekend. I don't have access to that kind of equipment. But maybe someone could at least get their upper body into the opening in the side of the vent, tie flashlight to a rope and lower it down the flu pipe to get an idea whether or not the vents go straight down and how far down they go.
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> I wonder if someone could lower a video camera
> down one of those vents (the kind with the infra
> red light source that will work in total
> darkness.. Sony makes them) from a rope and see
> what is down there? I have a cheapo Sony handycam
> with 'nightshot' feature but I do not live close
> enough to try this.
I was thinking of something along those lines when I was brainstorming this weekend. I don't have access to that kind of equipment. But maybe someone could at least get their upper body into the opening in the side of the vent, tie flashlight to a rope and lower it down the flu pipe to get an idea whether or not the vents go straight down and how far down they go.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 25, 2010 07:06AM
By the way, Jimbo, thanks for the new pictures. That is one big fucking sarcophagus.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bob saget
()
Date: January 25, 2010 04:32PM
.
Start living, or start dying.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2010 07:04PM by bob saget.
Start living, or start dying.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2010 07:04PM by bob saget.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Munkey_D
()
Date: January 25, 2010 05:53PM
If you find the entrance, I have NVG I would like to to try out =]
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Cary
()
Date: January 25, 2010 09:02PM
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 26, 2010 07:18AM
Hip Wrote:
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> The very first picture of this thread (the
> landscape view) was taken looking towards Route 1.
> I stood basically in the same spot and turned to
> the left and took the picture of the tower. (I
> never noticed this until now, but the first two
> pictures posted both contain the same shadow which
> can be used to relate the pictures) The entrance
> that you climbed down (the 91 picture) is in the
> back middle of the landscape picture but you can't
> really make the connection looking at the
> pictures. But if you walked straight through the
> arch in the very first picture and through a
> courtyard, you would have ended up at the entrance
> you had to climb down (the 91 picture).
>
> Walking through the woods from Route 1 and past
> the house in the woods on the left (as described
> in previous posts) the first thing you would have
> come to on your right was the "91" picture. You
> can see they tried to block the entrance gate by
> piling up a bunch of dirt in front of the gate but
> it didn't work at keeping people out.
Bob, this is the best written description on this thread that describes where the entrance was. The problem is that the structure with the arch is is completely gone (from what we've been told) so you would have to get your bearings from the tower and basically face Route 1. As far as distance is concerned, that might be tricky.
Another place to start would be the picture that Hip contributed, since he remembers the entrance being there. Scroll up to the picture of the clearing with the thorn bushes in the foreground, burn that into your memory and try and go from there.
Good luck. From what's been said, you've got about 4 to 8 feet of digging to do.
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> The very first picture of this thread (the
> landscape view) was taken looking towards Route 1.
> I stood basically in the same spot and turned to
> the left and took the picture of the tower. (I
> never noticed this until now, but the first two
> pictures posted both contain the same shadow which
> can be used to relate the pictures) The entrance
> that you climbed down (the 91 picture) is in the
> back middle of the landscape picture but you can't
> really make the connection looking at the
> pictures. But if you walked straight through the
> arch in the very first picture and through a
> courtyard, you would have ended up at the entrance
> you had to climb down (the 91 picture).
>
> Walking through the woods from Route 1 and past
> the house in the woods on the left (as described
> in previous posts) the first thing you would have
> come to on your right was the "91" picture. You
> can see they tried to block the entrance gate by
> piling up a bunch of dirt in front of the gate but
> it didn't work at keeping people out.
Bob, this is the best written description on this thread that describes where the entrance was. The problem is that the structure with the arch is is completely gone (from what we've been told) so you would have to get your bearings from the tower and basically face Route 1. As far as distance is concerned, that might be tricky.
Another place to start would be the picture that Hip contributed, since he remembers the entrance being there. Scroll up to the picture of the clearing with the thorn bushes in the foreground, burn that into your memory and try and go from there.
Good luck. From what's been said, you've got about 4 to 8 feet of digging to do.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 26, 2010 07:22AM
Hip Wrote:
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> Looking from the cross towards where the crypts
> used to be.
Hip, is it possible that you could give us an idea of where this location (the picture that you took of the clearing) was in relation to the vents and the cross/tower? I.E., from what direction if you're standing at the vents or tower, possibly even distances if you can remember.
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> Looking from the cross towards where the crypts
> used to be.
Hip, is it possible that you could give us an idea of where this location (the picture that you took of the clearing) was in relation to the vents and the cross/tower? I.E., from what direction if you're standing at the vents or tower, possibly even distances if you can remember.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Munkey_D
()
Date: January 26, 2010 12:01PM
I think I may be checking this place out within the next week to do some surveying.. I'll post some pics up if I can
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 26, 2010 01:33PM
Thanks, Munkey, any additional pictures of the site would be great. I plan on getting down there in the near future myself.
The fact that you say you're going to be doing some surveying down there got my attention. There aren't any plans to dig up the crypts that still exist underground, are there? Any chance that you have access to some tools that might help us find the entrance?
The fact that you say you're going to be doing some surveying down there got my attention. There aren't any plans to dig up the crypts that still exist underground, are there? Any chance that you have access to some tools that might help us find the entrance?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bob saget
()
Date: January 26, 2010 03:07PM
.
Start living, or start dying.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2010 07:05PM by bob saget.
Start living, or start dying.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2010 07:05PM by bob saget.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 26, 2010 03:20PM
From the accounts that I've read on this forum and else where, they pretty much leveled everything that was above ground (with the exception of the vents and the tower) and dumped alot of dirt on top of that. From what I've read, you know for sure that you're at the right spot due to the fact that the ground is raised and leveled about 4 feet high. I'm not sure how large this area of raised ground is because I've still yet to get out there myself.
Unless someone from back in the day can tell us where the entrance is in relation to the raised ground, you'd have to go off the vents and tower.
Let us know what you find, a tip of the hat to your dedication.
Unless someone from back in the day can tell us where the entrance is in relation to the raised ground, you'd have to go off the vents and tower.
Let us know what you find, a tip of the hat to your dedication.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 26, 2010 03:26PM
Bob, here's the account that I read about the "4 feet" of raised ground, from NorVApics.com:
"Back in 1995 I worked for a company and was doing renovation work at the Lower Potomac Pollution Plant on Route 1. At some point I brought up the mausoleum to my co-worker who knew a little about it. He told me his brother used to frequent the place but didn't have any more info. He talked to his brother who said it might have been buried by the county and remembered a newspaper article to that effect. He also found out that the mausoleum was directly between the Pollution Plant and Pohick church on Route 1.
One day we finished a little early and decided to trek through the woods and see what we could find. After an hour or so we came upon a large raised area of earth, it was about 4 feet tall, and overgrown with weeds and grass. There were several brick stacks which had something similar to chimney caps on them, I assumed some sort of ventilation stacks? We also discovered a couple of small memorials and a rather large obelisk (about 30 feet tall) dedicated to Charles Remey's father (Rear Admiral Charles Collier Remey). I was still curious and vowed to return one day with a shovel and search for an entrance but never did. Now finding out that it was bulldozed I'm glad I never went back, I don't think I would ever have found an entrance. "
Hope that helps.
"Back in 1995 I worked for a company and was doing renovation work at the Lower Potomac Pollution Plant on Route 1. At some point I brought up the mausoleum to my co-worker who knew a little about it. He told me his brother used to frequent the place but didn't have any more info. He talked to his brother who said it might have been buried by the county and remembered a newspaper article to that effect. He also found out that the mausoleum was directly between the Pollution Plant and Pohick church on Route 1.
One day we finished a little early and decided to trek through the woods and see what we could find. After an hour or so we came upon a large raised area of earth, it was about 4 feet tall, and overgrown with weeds and grass. There were several brick stacks which had something similar to chimney caps on them, I assumed some sort of ventilation stacks? We also discovered a couple of small memorials and a rather large obelisk (about 30 feet tall) dedicated to Charles Remey's father (Rear Admiral Charles Collier Remey). I was still curious and vowed to return one day with a shovel and search for an entrance but never did. Now finding out that it was bulldozed I'm glad I never went back, I don't think I would ever have found an entrance. "
Hope that helps.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
John G
()
Date: January 26, 2010 03:28PM
I'd be more worried about a cave in of some sort... it is getting old with age...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Munkey_D
()
Date: January 26, 2010 04:14PM
Correct, an old crypt like that with probably hundreds of pounds of dirt piled over it would create stress down there.. If anyone does venture in, make sure you have someone you know aware that your going in as well as an emergency plan on how to get out in case of an emergency. I think the last thing we would want is someone on this forum getting hurt.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 27, 2010 09:18AM
Legitimate concerns, I'll give you that. But the entrance still needs to be found first, before we start coming up with worst-case senarios. True, it is a 70 year old structure we're talking about, but Remey paid literally millions of dollars (back in the 1930s) to have it built to last. And if all they did 20 years ago was demolish what was above ground and spread a few feet of dirt over an area that's hundreds of feet across, we're not talking about that much additional weight. And as I've said before, if it's true that there really is up to 3 underground levels down there, had they been destroyed there would be a sizable hole in the earth (and no vents above ground). So I'm thinking that it's stood the test of time down there, and should be structurally sound. But I can appreciate the concern for safety.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Charlie Schmidts
()
Date: January 27, 2010 10:05AM
Where is it on this picture?
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 27, 2010 10:53AM
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=38.70739,-77.196829&num=1&t=h&sll=38.709188,-77.193299&sspn=0.006295,0.006295&gl=us&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.707306,-77.19684&spn=0.003893,0.006856&z=17
The green arrow is approximately the center of what used to be the entire above-ground structure.
Having said that, let's not let the wrong people get wind of what we're interested in. If hordes of people start showing up in the woods behind this church, someone's gonna put 2 and 2 together and THERE WILL be nothing but a hole in the earth where there used to be incredible history, and no one will have the chance to appreciate it. Exploration and vandalism are two different things. As far as I can tell, none of us are the knuckle-dragging bikers or spray-painters that had The Crypts buried in the first place. We're merely curious and interested in what others have long-since forgotten, but the wrong uptight, pencil-pusher working for the County will probably not see it that way. So, please be smart when you're there.
The green arrow is approximately the center of what used to be the entire above-ground structure.
Having said that, let's not let the wrong people get wind of what we're interested in. If hordes of people start showing up in the woods behind this church, someone's gonna put 2 and 2 together and THERE WILL be nothing but a hole in the earth where there used to be incredible history, and no one will have the chance to appreciate it. Exploration and vandalism are two different things. As far as I can tell, none of us are the knuckle-dragging bikers or spray-painters that had The Crypts buried in the first place. We're merely curious and interested in what others have long-since forgotten, but the wrong uptight, pencil-pusher working for the County will probably not see it that way. So, please be smart when you're there.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 27, 2010 12:57PM
I imagine that this would be a big help:
http://fcplcat.fairfaxcounty.gov/uhtbin/cgisirsi/yYRX3PbC9A/ZTECHOPS/216530031/9
http://fcplcat.fairfaxcounty.gov/uhtbin/cgisirsi/yYRX3PbC9A/ZTECHOPS/216530031/9
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 27, 2010 01:14PM
Bah! The stupid link didn't work.
Anyway, this is the book that I found on-line that's available in the Virginia Room at the Fairfax City Regional Branch. Given the title, I'm thinking it would be somewhat of a help. It was published in 1954, so I'm hoping that there's some kind of drawing that gives the location of the entrance if the mausoluem was completed in the 40's. I feel like someone may have already suggested looking in the Virginia Room earlier, but I can't remember.
"A series of twelve of the preliminary architectural studies for a mausoleum for the Remey Family"
Remey, Charles Mason, 1874-1974.
Anyway, this is the book that I found on-line that's available in the Virginia Room at the Fairfax City Regional Branch. Given the title, I'm thinking it would be somewhat of a help. It was published in 1954, so I'm hoping that there's some kind of drawing that gives the location of the entrance if the mausoluem was completed in the 40's. I feel like someone may have already suggested looking in the Virginia Room earlier, but I can't remember.
"A series of twelve of the preliminary architectural studies for a mausoleum for the Remey Family"
Remey, Charles Mason, 1874-1974.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
whobe
()
Date: January 27, 2010 04:04PM
I've been there back in the late 80's and it was already covered up, from what I could tell they only covered the whole thing with dirt and maybe broke down the front entrance first? From the pics it looks like it was very well made with the roof being a vault design which is very strong, I don't think they actually busted the roof off the place or anything just the entrance and then piled dirt on top. If you find that you'll probably have alot of bricks/block etc. to get through first. If it had collapsed there'd be a big depression somewhere and we haven't seen that so you should be safe inside if you get in.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: January 27, 2010 08:01PM
When I took the recent picture of where the crypts used to be (post January 20, 2010 07:51PM) I tried to take it from the same area and viewpoint that the very first picture (post December 18, 2009 08:47PM) in this thread was taken. Kind of hard to do though because the area is so different, but that was my goal.
Regarding the vent like structures, I don't remember those at all when I was there in the early 1980s. They must have been behind the filled in gate entrance you had to climb down to get into the crypt. One thing to keep in mind is that the vent structures are pretty close to the rector's house. You can see the rector's house from the vents.
It would be interesting to know how the original structures were demolished. I'm guessing they knocked down all the above ground structures and then covered the area with a few feet of dirt. But from what's been posted here and from what I've read, there were some underground levels. Those would have been a lot of work to fill so I'll bet they still exist.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/27/2010 08:02PM by Hip.
Regarding the vent like structures, I don't remember those at all when I was there in the early 1980s. They must have been behind the filled in gate entrance you had to climb down to get into the crypt. One thing to keep in mind is that the vent structures are pretty close to the rector's house. You can see the rector's house from the vents.
It would be interesting to know how the original structures were demolished. I'm guessing they knocked down all the above ground structures and then covered the area with a few feet of dirt. But from what's been posted here and from what I've read, there were some underground levels. Those would have been a lot of work to fill so I'll bet they still exist.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/27/2010 08:02PM by Hip.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: January 27, 2010 08:19PM
Here's a 1992 Springfield Connection article about the mausoleum. I added a pointer to the part about five levels of underground chambers.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
joedirt
()
Date: January 27, 2010 08:57PM
I just wanted to inform everyone on this subject that the remey Crypt was completely and utterly caved in and distroyed with excavation equiptment around 1982'ish. My dads friend worked for a grading company and he told me about the Crypt and demolition he performed there. The church paid for a all out demolition of the underground structure with Excavators then filled it in with dirt from a local construction site that was digging out a foundation for a building in DC. Im sure if you dig around you might find a brick or 2.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 28, 2010 08:16AM
"They did not dig up and destroy the underground passages. They plowed dirt over the structure in an attempt to bury it but that was only superficial. There was a dirt tunnel you had to climb down through to come in from the ceiling of the mausoleum. There were statues whose heads were broken off with candles lit on top, other marble structures, passages and other rooms."
joedirt, that's a quote from CBLB78 from when this thread first started. So, I'm not sure who to believe. Of course, I'd much rather believe CBLB78, although he doesn't have a date to reference. As myself and a couple of other people have said, if they were to excavate FIVE underground stories (didn't realize there were that many till Hip posted the article, thanks alot by the way), I feel like someone else would've posted it by now. We've only been talking about this for a month and half now, and no one else has said anything else about the Crypts being filled in. Granted, joedirt, your "1982'ish" date does jive with alot of the accounts on here as far no one having stated they've been down there after that date.
I'm tempted to just call the church and ask if it wouldn't (a) seriously raise suspicions about people going out there again, and (b) just prompt them to think fast and indeed concur that it was filled in just to discourage anyone from going out there at all. So I doubt I'll do that.
I did call the FFX County Planning and Zoning office yesterday to see if they had blueprints of the Crypts from the 30's, however I posed the question as "I'm looking for blueprints of any mausoleums in Lorton from the 1930's". The woman immediately responded with, "Oh, you mean the one behind Pohick Church?". So some people working for the County still know about it.
So, joedirt and CBLB78, give us some more info. to back up your claims.
joedirt, that's a quote from CBLB78 from when this thread first started. So, I'm not sure who to believe. Of course, I'd much rather believe CBLB78, although he doesn't have a date to reference. As myself and a couple of other people have said, if they were to excavate FIVE underground stories (didn't realize there were that many till Hip posted the article, thanks alot by the way), I feel like someone else would've posted it by now. We've only been talking about this for a month and half now, and no one else has said anything else about the Crypts being filled in. Granted, joedirt, your "1982'ish" date does jive with alot of the accounts on here as far no one having stated they've been down there after that date.
I'm tempted to just call the church and ask if it wouldn't (a) seriously raise suspicions about people going out there again, and (b) just prompt them to think fast and indeed concur that it was filled in just to discourage anyone from going out there at all. So I doubt I'll do that.
I did call the FFX County Planning and Zoning office yesterday to see if they had blueprints of the Crypts from the 30's, however I posed the question as "I'm looking for blueprints of any mausoleums in Lorton from the 1930's". The woman immediately responded with, "Oh, you mean the one behind Pohick Church?". So some people working for the County still know about it.
So, joedirt and CBLB78, give us some more info. to back up your claims.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
i > u
()
Date: January 28, 2010 08:30AM
The Sculler Wrote:
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>
> I did call the FFX County Planning and Zoning
> office yesterday to see if they had blueprints of
> the Crypts from the 30's, however I posed the
> question as "I'm looking for blueprints of any
> mausoleums in Lorton from the 1930's". The woman
> immediately responded with, "Oh, you mean the one
> behind Pohick Church?". So some people working
> for the County still know about it.
So are the blueprints being made available to you or is this a FOIA request in waiting?
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>
> I did call the FFX County Planning and Zoning
> office yesterday to see if they had blueprints of
> the Crypts from the 30's, however I posed the
> question as "I'm looking for blueprints of any
> mausoleums in Lorton from the 1930's". The woman
> immediately responded with, "Oh, you mean the one
> behind Pohick Church?". So some people working
> for the County still know about it.
So are the blueprints being made available to you or is this a FOIA request in waiting?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 28, 2010 08:40AM
No, they didn't have them. As far as blueprints and plans are concerned, that book I found listed at the FFX City Regional Branch is the best source.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
i > u
()
Date: January 28, 2010 08:56AM
If I can get my hands on a decent (and recent) topo map with a grid I could use the aerial image to trace the approximate location and dimentions of the former structures in relation to the existing structures. That might provide a better idea of where the probable entrance is now located.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 28, 2010 09:29AM
If you think you can pull it off, more power to you. All the pictures on this thread (as well as the location descriptions) are excellent, but the only aerial picture I know of is the one above from 1962. Honestly, I can't tell what the hell anything is from that 1962 Historaerials.com. If you can find where the tower is in that 1962 picture, that would be a start. But then you've got to figure out where the "91" entrance was in relation to that, which could be done with the following:
"The very first picture of this thread (the landscape view) was taken looking towards Route 1. I stood basically in the same spot and turned to the left and took the picture of the tower. (I never noticed this until now, but the first two pictures posted both contain the same shadow which can be used to relate the pictures) The entrance that you climbed down (the 91 picture) is in the back middle of the landscape picture but you can't really make the connection looking at the pictures. But if you walked straight through the arch in the very first picture and through a courtyard, you would have ended up at the entrance you had to climb down (the 91 picture).
Walking through the woods from Route 1 and past the house in the woods on the left (as described in previous posts) the first thing you would have come to on your right was the "91" picture. You can see they tried to block the entrance gate by piling up a bunch of dirt in front of the gate but it didn't work at keeping people out."
(Thanks again, Hip)
If someone who's been there back in the day is good with computers and could possilby label on the 1962 aerial map as to where the tower and entrance were, that would be a big help.
Best of luck finding the maps. Let us know what you find.
"The very first picture of this thread (the landscape view) was taken looking towards Route 1. I stood basically in the same spot and turned to the left and took the picture of the tower. (I never noticed this until now, but the first two pictures posted both contain the same shadow which can be used to relate the pictures) The entrance that you climbed down (the 91 picture) is in the back middle of the landscape picture but you can't really make the connection looking at the pictures. But if you walked straight through the arch in the very first picture and through a courtyard, you would have ended up at the entrance you had to climb down (the 91 picture).
Walking through the woods from Route 1 and past the house in the woods on the left (as described in previous posts) the first thing you would have come to on your right was the "91" picture. You can see they tried to block the entrance gate by piling up a bunch of dirt in front of the gate but it didn't work at keeping people out."
(Thanks again, Hip)
If someone who's been there back in the day is good with computers and could possilby label on the 1962 aerial map as to where the tower and entrance were, that would be a big help.
Best of luck finding the maps. Let us know what you find.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
CBLB78
()
Date: January 28, 2010 09:39AM
The Sculler Wrote:
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> "They did not dig up and destroy the underground
> passages. They plowed dirt over the structure in
> an attempt to bury it but that was only
> superficial. There was a dirt tunnel you had to
> climb down through to come in from the ceiling of
> the mausoleum. There were statues whose heads were
> broken off with candles lit on top, other marble
> structures, passages and other rooms."
>
> joedirt, that's a quote from CBLB78 from when this
> thread first started. So, I'm not sure who to
> believe. Of course, I'd much rather believe
> CBLB78, although he doesn't have a date to
> reference. As myself and a couple of other people
> have said, if they were to excavate FIVE
> underground stories (didn't realize there were
> that many till Hip posted the article, thanks alot
> by the way), I feel like someone else would've
> posted it by now. We've only been talking about
> this for a month and half now, and no one else has
> said anything else about the Crypts being filled
> in. Granted, joedirt, your "1982'ish" date does
> jive with alot of the accounts on here as far no
> one having stated they've been down there after
> that date.
>
> I'm tempted to just call the church and ask if it
> wouldn't (a) seriously raise suspicions about
> people going out there again, and (b) just prompt
> them to think fast and indeed concur that it was
> filled in just to discourage anyone from going out
> there at all. So I doubt I'll do that.
>
> I did call the FFX County Planning and Zoning
> office yesterday to see if they had blueprints of
> the Crypts from the 30's, however I posed the
> question as "I'm looking for blueprints of any
> mausoleums in Lorton from the 1930's". The woman
> immediately responded with, "Oh, you mean the one
> behind Pohick Church?". So some people working
> for the County still know about it.
>
> So, joedirt and CBLB78, give us some more info. to
> back up your claims.
My times at the crypts were my high school years of 1974 -1978 at Lake Braddock and all the other subsequent accounts and pictures in this thread corraborate my recollections. The initial attempt to bury the structure from what I understand was around 1973 in accordance with the court ruling in 1968 that gave Remey five years to remove remains and anything else from the structure. I was never back there after high school.
There was obviously more than one attempt to destroy the structure from the current and older pcitures with explorers in the crypts. I don't doubt the timing of a thorough destruction in 1982. I'm sure the church and cops got really annoyed at dealing with us teenagers running around back there. Cops were a concern every time you went back there. The first burial obviously didn't get the job done. I'm sure if they wanted it destroyed for good to rid themselves of the "problem" they did it right the second time.
If I were you I wouldn't call the church as it would raise suspicions, most people probably don't know about it anyway and those they do would NOT want you back there. I'd like to hear what people find with further exploration. It's worth some effort despite the distinct possibility that it is buried for good.
I'm glad all this information is now memorialized here. My attempts to research in the past found very little information and people I told probably thought I was crazy. The accounts, pictures, Connection article, etc. from those they lived the Crypts back in the day are awesome. As crazy as my stories sounded they are know backed up from others accounts. I certainly feel privileged to be part of this NoVA folklore!
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> "They did not dig up and destroy the underground
> passages. They plowed dirt over the structure in
> an attempt to bury it but that was only
> superficial. There was a dirt tunnel you had to
> climb down through to come in from the ceiling of
> the mausoleum. There were statues whose heads were
> broken off with candles lit on top, other marble
> structures, passages and other rooms."
>
> joedirt, that's a quote from CBLB78 from when this
> thread first started. So, I'm not sure who to
> believe. Of course, I'd much rather believe
> CBLB78, although he doesn't have a date to
> reference. As myself and a couple of other people
> have said, if they were to excavate FIVE
> underground stories (didn't realize there were
> that many till Hip posted the article, thanks alot
> by the way), I feel like someone else would've
> posted it by now. We've only been talking about
> this for a month and half now, and no one else has
> said anything else about the Crypts being filled
> in. Granted, joedirt, your "1982'ish" date does
> jive with alot of the accounts on here as far no
> one having stated they've been down there after
> that date.
>
> I'm tempted to just call the church and ask if it
> wouldn't (a) seriously raise suspicions about
> people going out there again, and (b) just prompt
> them to think fast and indeed concur that it was
> filled in just to discourage anyone from going out
> there at all. So I doubt I'll do that.
>
> I did call the FFX County Planning and Zoning
> office yesterday to see if they had blueprints of
> the Crypts from the 30's, however I posed the
> question as "I'm looking for blueprints of any
> mausoleums in Lorton from the 1930's". The woman
> immediately responded with, "Oh, you mean the one
> behind Pohick Church?". So some people working
> for the County still know about it.
>
> So, joedirt and CBLB78, give us some more info. to
> back up your claims.
My times at the crypts were my high school years of 1974 -1978 at Lake Braddock and all the other subsequent accounts and pictures in this thread corraborate my recollections. The initial attempt to bury the structure from what I understand was around 1973 in accordance with the court ruling in 1968 that gave Remey five years to remove remains and anything else from the structure. I was never back there after high school.
There was obviously more than one attempt to destroy the structure from the current and older pcitures with explorers in the crypts. I don't doubt the timing of a thorough destruction in 1982. I'm sure the church and cops got really annoyed at dealing with us teenagers running around back there. Cops were a concern every time you went back there. The first burial obviously didn't get the job done. I'm sure if they wanted it destroyed for good to rid themselves of the "problem" they did it right the second time.
If I were you I wouldn't call the church as it would raise suspicions, most people probably don't know about it anyway and those they do would NOT want you back there. I'd like to hear what people find with further exploration. It's worth some effort despite the distinct possibility that it is buried for good.
I'm glad all this information is now memorialized here. My attempts to research in the past found very little information and people I told probably thought I was crazy. The accounts, pictures, Connection article, etc. from those they lived the Crypts back in the day are awesome. As crazy as my stories sounded they are know backed up from others accounts. I certainly feel privileged to be part of this NoVA folklore!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
i > u
()
Date: January 28, 2010 09:44AM
Ok, that was easier than I thought...but only the first step of many. If anybody would like to contribute to the process please feel free. I'm good with maps, but not the greatest (as my name may suggest)...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 28, 2010 10:01AM
Thanks for the reference date, CBLB78. Sadly, it's looking more and more like what joedirt said is true. At first I was hoping he was just someone joking around and trying to be a wet towel, but that may not be the case.
But a 5 story underground exavation is a shitload of digging! I'm wondering if they just destroyed the 1st and 2nd level and filled it in from there, leaving the remaining bottom levels. They must have been REALLY sick of people being in there if they not only dug up 5 sub-levels, but also trucked in enough dirt to completely fill it all in.
So there's another question: Were ALL of the levels of the Crypts destroyed and filled in?
joedirt, can your father's friend provide you with any more details on the exavation?
But a 5 story underground exavation is a shitload of digging! I'm wondering if they just destroyed the 1st and 2nd level and filled it in from there, leaving the remaining bottom levels. They must have been REALLY sick of people being in there if they not only dug up 5 sub-levels, but also trucked in enough dirt to completely fill it all in.
So there's another question: Were ALL of the levels of the Crypts destroyed and filled in?
joedirt, can your father's friend provide you with any more details on the exavation?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
papashango
()
Date: January 28, 2010 10:50AM
I really find it hard to believe that they did such a thorough job of demolition given that they left the vents intact. That doesn't make any sense to me.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Munkey_D
()
Date: January 28, 2010 10:56AM
With all this excitement at hand, I would like to add, regardless if the crypts are to be found or not, excavated or not, it has certainly been very interesting to see and read about the fascinations that come with history and exploration. Kudos to everyone.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 28, 2010 01:01PM
Here's someone's recent Facebook blog about the Crypts. Some people also remember the lions at the entrance, and there's some interesting accounts about a room for someone's daughter that died at a young age. Someone on Facebook even links the blog to THIS THREAD!
http://eu-es.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=10187715121&topic=11155
http://eu-es.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=10187715121&topic=11155
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jimbo
()
Date: January 28, 2010 10:46PM
I think finding a way into the crypts is more difficult that we thought. Look at these images I just copied from GOOGLE EARTH...
1. taken in 2002: It is labeled according to my memory and the proximity to the church, the caretaker (stumpy the guard, who would let his dogs loose at the sound of noisy teenagers)and the walking path. You can see the bare area of the bulldozed crypts. Not much left.
2. taken THIS MONTH in 2010: Homes built on top of hallowed ground!! These people don't know that they are at risk of being haunted forever by the ghosts of weekends past, stale beer and spend condoms! It's like Poltergeist all over again.
I still hope someone nearby can confirm or deny this as I would like to go back one day and explore. Maybe my memory and landmarks are wrong but I don't think so.
Attachments:
1. taken in 2002: It is labeled according to my memory and the proximity to the church, the caretaker (stumpy the guard, who would let his dogs loose at the sound of noisy teenagers)and the walking path. You can see the bare area of the bulldozed crypts. Not much left.
2. taken THIS MONTH in 2010: Homes built on top of hallowed ground!! These people don't know that they are at risk of being haunted forever by the ghosts of weekends past, stale beer and spend condoms! It's like Poltergeist all over again.
I still hope someone nearby can confirm or deny this as I would like to go back one day and explore. Maybe my memory and landmarks are wrong but I don't think so.
Attachments:
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jimbo
()
Date: January 28, 2010 10:48PM
Wow! That second satellite photo was actually taken today!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
G
()
Date: January 29, 2010 01:32AM
those images are labelled incorrectly... the crypts were closer to the center of the pics, the remaining tower is located about where the question mark is
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 29, 2010 07:30AM
G Wrote:
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> those images are labelled incorrectly... the
> crypts were closer to the center of the pics, the
> remaining tower is located about where the
> question mark is
Jimbo,
G is correct. I've never been to the Crypts myself, but those new townhouses ARE NOT built on top of them. First, the image that you found from 2002 only shows where they cleared land for the construction of the townhomes, not where they bulldozed the Crypts. Since they bulldozed the Crypts for the last time in '82, vegetation that had been cleared 20 years ago would have had time to grow back and would not look like that from the air. Secondly, take a look at Historicaeials.com (hopefully the link below works) and you'll see that G is correct in that the Crypts were much closer to Stumpy's house than you recall.
I can see how you'd think that the townhomes were built on top of the Crypts, but they weren't. If all the accounts on this thread state that the Crypts were below all the underground structures, and the aerial photos put them at the location in the link below, the townhomes are not on top of what used to be the Cyrpts. Nice maps, however. Knowing where that path into woods is located will come in handy.
http://www.historicaerials.com?poi=9732
(you're gonna have to click on 1962, as that didn't seem to transfer in the link)
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> those images are labelled incorrectly... the
> crypts were closer to the center of the pics, the
> remaining tower is located about where the
> question mark is
Jimbo,
G is correct. I've never been to the Crypts myself, but those new townhouses ARE NOT built on top of them. First, the image that you found from 2002 only shows where they cleared land for the construction of the townhomes, not where they bulldozed the Crypts. Since they bulldozed the Crypts for the last time in '82, vegetation that had been cleared 20 years ago would have had time to grow back and would not look like that from the air. Secondly, take a look at Historicaeials.com (hopefully the link below works) and you'll see that G is correct in that the Crypts were much closer to Stumpy's house than you recall.
I can see how you'd think that the townhomes were built on top of the Crypts, but they weren't. If all the accounts on this thread state that the Crypts were below all the underground structures, and the aerial photos put them at the location in the link below, the townhomes are not on top of what used to be the Cyrpts. Nice maps, however. Knowing where that path into woods is located will come in handy.
http://www.historicaerials.com?poi=9732
(you're gonna have to click on 1962, as that didn't seem to transfer in the link)
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Stoney
()
Date: January 29, 2010 05:42PM
The bing.com link provided in the posting dated December 22, 2009 08:22PM provides the best view. Check it out. You can clearly see the brick cross and get an overall view of the site. I used the rotate botton to put Route 1 at the bottom of the screen. That way it was like actually walking down the path towards the crypt because the house off to the left.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jimbo
()
Date: January 29, 2010 09:40PM
That's a relief!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
joedirt
()
Date: January 29, 2010 10:24PM
I when I talked to my father’s friend about it a few weeks back when this thread started he just told me that they completely caved in the tomb. I was not aware it was 5 levels in depth. Rests assure I will call him up by the end of the week and get more info on it. I do know when they filled in the tomb they had to perform an environmental impact study and pull permits for it. Anything underground you fill in even such as a pool you have to do so. They basically don’t want air pockets and water pockets to form that would create a possible sink hole in the future. Unfortunately FFX only keeps permits on record for 5 years depending what kind they are and I doubt they still have them. That is why they buried the front entrance in dirt at first because a demo and fill in is a very expensive thing. He never mentioned to me it was 5 stories underground which seems a bit deep and I am a bit skeptical of. I’ll have more info by the end of the week. I hate to be the buzz kill on this one and wish the tomb was still there but from what I understand It sounded to me it was completely destroyed.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bob saget
()
Date: January 31, 2010 03:38PM
.
Start living, or start dying.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2010 07:01PM by bob saget.
Start living, or start dying.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2010 07:01PM by bob saget.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
paranormal activitayz
()
Date: February 01, 2010 08:58AM
man.. i couldnt imagine what id do if I just bought a house and realized it was on burial grounds
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Gonads & Strife
()
Date: February 01, 2010 09:03AM
Probably inquire as to whether or not the remains had been relocated. If so I'd just go ahead and live in the house considering spirits don't (typically) hang around where their body was burried.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Boo
()
Date: February 01, 2010 09:06AM
News flash!
Just about every inch of land here in this country has been sacred Native American burrial grounds at one time or another.
Just about every inch of land here in this country has been sacred Native American burrial grounds at one time or another.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Zoomer
()
Date: February 01, 2010 05:54PM
Hey Guys - I've been following the thread for awhile now, but not commented. I went to Edison High in the 70's and used to go to the Crypt quite a bit. I got there by going down the road past Stumpy's house (always on alert for dogs and the threat of a shotgun full of rock salt) and by parking in the cemetary and going through the woods.
Anyway, I remember the entrance much closer to the "S" in Stumpy's....
-Z
Anyway, I remember the entrance much closer to the "S" in Stumpy's....
-Z
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 02, 2010 07:15AM
joedirt Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I when I talked to my father’s friend about it a
> few weeks back when this thread started he just
> told me that they completely caved in the tomb. I
> was not aware it was 5 levels in depth. Rests
> assure I will call him up by the end of the week
> and get more info on it. I do know when they
> filled in the tomb they had to perform an
> environmental impact study and pull permits for
> it. Anything underground you fill in even such as
> a pool you have to do so. They basically don’t
> want air pockets and water pockets to form that
> would create a possible sink hole in the future.
> Unfortunately FFX only keeps permits on record for
> 5 years depending what kind they are and I doubt
> they still have them. That is why they buried the
> front entrance in dirt at first because a demo and
> fill in is a very expensive thing. He never
> mentioned to me it was 5 stories underground which
> seems a bit deep and I am a bit skeptical of. I’ll
> have more info by the end of the week. I hate to
> be the buzz kill on this one and wish the tomb was
> still there but from what I understand It sounded
> to me it was completely destroyed.
joe,
They would great if you can see what you can find out from that guy. A few different sources on this thread have made it sound like there was more than one level to the Crypts, but it's unclear just how many there were. The newspaper article that was posted claims there were 5, but hopefully you're source can confirm that and we can have some credible information. Let us know what he says.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I when I talked to my father’s friend about it a
> few weeks back when this thread started he just
> told me that they completely caved in the tomb. I
> was not aware it was 5 levels in depth. Rests
> assure I will call him up by the end of the week
> and get more info on it. I do know when they
> filled in the tomb they had to perform an
> environmental impact study and pull permits for
> it. Anything underground you fill in even such as
> a pool you have to do so. They basically don’t
> want air pockets and water pockets to form that
> would create a possible sink hole in the future.
> Unfortunately FFX only keeps permits on record for
> 5 years depending what kind they are and I doubt
> they still have them. That is why they buried the
> front entrance in dirt at first because a demo and
> fill in is a very expensive thing. He never
> mentioned to me it was 5 stories underground which
> seems a bit deep and I am a bit skeptical of. I’ll
> have more info by the end of the week. I hate to
> be the buzz kill on this one and wish the tomb was
> still there but from what I understand It sounded
> to me it was completely destroyed.
joe,
They would great if you can see what you can find out from that guy. A few different sources on this thread have made it sound like there was more than one level to the Crypts, but it's unclear just how many there were. The newspaper article that was posted claims there were 5, but hopefully you're source can confirm that and we can have some credible information. Let us know what he says.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Zoomer
()
Date: February 04, 2010 05:58PM
I ran into a former member of the Pagans Motorcycle gang that told me that there were other levels and the access was under the large sarcophagus on the left when you entered. He said you could push the whole thing to the side and a square hole was there you could climb down. He said it was pretty torn up down there because they used to throw sticks of dynomite down the hole for the fun of it...
I have been there many times, but only on the first level...
I have been there many times, but only on the first level...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 05, 2010 09:42AM
Pagans...stay classy.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
joedirt
()
Date: February 05, 2010 10:11AM
Alright, got hold of my dads friend the info I got from him was.... They had bluprints of the structure for demo and it was only one level. He laughted at me when I asked him if there were 4 sub levels and told me it was a urband legend people started to enhance the creepyness and mystery of the crypt. When I showed him the pictures of the stacks he did not have a awnser for me as why they were still there or could not remember whey they were left up . He said "strap a video camera to a rope and send it on down and see if any of the crypt is still intact but make sure it is waterproof because if there is and voids that were not filled in they will more than likely submerged in water." He was pissed that people vandalized the crypt and they had to destroy it. They could have declared it a historic landmark and preserved the entire grounds. Anyways, Thats the info I recived....
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
joedirt
()
Date: February 05, 2010 10:14AM
p.s nothing was ever built on top of the original crypts, they left the bricks and concrete in the gound and would cost a builder a enourmous amount of money to make buildable. The crypt is there just in 2 million pices 12 ft under
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Macky
()
Date: February 09, 2010 10:39PM
This is friggin interesting! This would have been a great place to hang out when I was in high school...I went to O'Connell over in Arlington, but had a lot or friends from Annandale (I grew up near Pinecrest). None of my friends had ever heard of it, perhaps it wasn't the place that it was back in the 70's. High school kids in the 70's knew how to friggin party, unlike us 90's kids!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
rootard
()
Date: February 09, 2010 10:42PM
screw Historicaerials
shitty site
shitty site
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 12, 2010 07:27AM
joe, thanks for the update from your friend. However, I now have absolutely no idea who to believe as to how many levels there were. Your friend says there was one, but the article from the paper says 4 or 5, plus a couple of other accounts on this thread that claim there was more than one level (including the guy claiming the fuck-tard Pagans used to throw dynamite into the lower levels).
Your friend does have a good idea regarding the video camera. It would make a great post. Any takers? It's a sure-fire way to get to the bottom of alot of these unanswered questions. (I would, but I don't have a camera.)
Your friend does have a good idea regarding the video camera. It would make a great post. Any takers? It's a sure-fire way to get to the bottom of alot of these unanswered questions. (I would, but I don't have a camera.)
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Joedirt
()
Date: February 12, 2010 08:08AM
Call up the guy who wrote the article in the 1990. If he is still alive. Ask him where he recived his information on how may levels there where. Just a reminder, reporters get a lot of thier information from hear say and not fact. Wonder if the old blue prints are up at the fairfax meuseum. I have been up there a few times and they have a ton of info on the county. They also have a bunch of books about local residents and areas in the county writen by locals.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Mike1283
()
Date: February 12, 2010 08:11AM
I would be more likely to believe someone from an annonymous message board over anything that the connection newspaper printed. That article reads like it was done by two high school students writing for the mount vernon high school paper.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Joedirt
()
Date: February 12, 2010 09:03AM
Again, That was the info I received from someone who physically had seen the BP to the tomb. There is no reason for a 67 year old man to lie about what he knows about the tomb. I would have loved for them to declare the tomb a virginia historic landmark before they decided to tear it down. It would have been a very interesting site to see. Unfortunatly I think the Church did not want it there and they probably had a lot of sway with the county for the destruction of it. Back it the 60 it was viewed as satanic/un-christian , thats just my take on it (more than likely incorect). I am going to the fairfax meuseum to see If I can find any info/ blueprints on the place to put it to rest.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 12, 2010 09:51AM
joe, I didn't mean to make it sound like I was calling your friend a liar. Sorry if it came across like that. It's just confusing with so many sources.
Any chance your friend remembers where he saw those blue prints? I called around to a few places and nobody had them in the county. That's why I figure that book that Remey wrote that the Virginia Room has is probably the best place to look for any sort of plans for the Crypts.
Just for fun, I got the name of a guy at the Springfield Connection who has been there for a while who may know Matt Warren (the writer of the article). He wasn't there at the moment, but I'll try to reach him later today. I'd like to see if I can get Matt Warren on the phone and see where he got his info, as you suggested.
Any chance your friend remembers where he saw those blue prints? I called around to a few places and nobody had them in the county. That's why I figure that book that Remey wrote that the Virginia Room has is probably the best place to look for any sort of plans for the Crypts.
Just for fun, I got the name of a guy at the Springfield Connection who has been there for a while who may know Matt Warren (the writer of the article). He wasn't there at the moment, but I'll try to reach him later today. I'd like to see if I can get Matt Warren on the phone and see where he got his info, as you suggested.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Kardinal
()
Date: February 12, 2010 11:55AM
I just wanted to say I'm finding the conversation fascinating and look forward to more information from people more intrepid than I!
...and I wish I'd seen this back in the day.
...and I wish I'd seen this back in the day.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 12, 2010 03:27PM
I finally got a hold of somebody at the Springfield Connection, and they said that since the company that owns the paper has gone through bankrupcy since 1990, they don't have any record of Matt Warner, or a way to get a hold of him.
So, joe, if you can pester your friend on behalf of the rest of us as to where the blueprints he saw might be today, that'd be cool.
So, joe, if you can pester your friend on behalf of the rest of us as to where the blueprints he saw might be today, that'd be cool.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Dane Bramage
()
Date: February 12, 2010 08:26PM
The Sculler Wrote:
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> I finally got a hold of somebody at the
> Springfield Connection, and they said that since
> the company that owns the paper has gone through
> bankrupcy since 1990, they don't have any record
> of Matt Warner, or a way to get a hold of him.
Google?
http://matthewwarner.com/pubs.htm
-------------------------------------------------------
> I finally got a hold of somebody at the
> Springfield Connection, and they said that since
> the company that owns the paper has gone through
> bankrupcy since 1990, they don't have any record
> of Matt Warner, or a way to get a hold of him.
Google?
http://matthewwarner.com/pubs.htm
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Alan Rogers
()
Date: February 12, 2010 10:56PM
If that is the same Matt Warner, impressive WEB site. Thank you all for posting the pictures, history, and first hand accounts. A lot of interresting, forgotten history is on this thread.I would also liked to have seen the Remey Crypt before the vandalism. I went there twice during the late 70's. Once at night with a friend who said he heard there was other parts to the Crypt other than what was accessible at that time. Also went there one time during the day. From what I remember (over 30yrs. ago) walking the dirt road just past the rector's house was at least a 10ft.tall overgrown mound of dirt where the Crypt was. Walking around to the oposite side of the mound was where the entrance was and the outside courtyard walls, from what I remember the courtyard appeared to be dug out lower than the surrounding area. Also, if I remember correctly there was a couple of vents for the Crypt, but they were circular metal vent pipes with a metal cover. Could the current pictures of the two square brick structures, instead of vents, be part of the top of the brick courtyard walls? Compare them to the very first picture of the Crypt posted on this thread, notice the cement capstone lying beside one of them in the current pictures.I would like to believe that the Crypt was just buried under more dirt, but also I am not discounting joedirt's post. Keep up the history!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Elizabeth
()
Date: February 13, 2010 01:31AM
I didn't read most of what you all posted, but I've been there. I grew up in Annandale and went to Jefferson High School, class of '80. I have 4 older brothers. Some of whom told me about the "Crypts" but I never believed them. They told me that it was multileveled and that there was a "guard" named Stump who has no legs and numerous dobermans. The crypt was several layers deep. I only saw the first layer. But I did see a wall of cinderblock (obviously new). I saw the "baby" casket with 1"x3" wedges lifting the top. I did a lot of research in the library at the time. Remy's were a very regal family. Most of them finished at the top of their class at West Point. I have a piece of something...I'm not sure what. It's green marble and it has a star. I've thought of giving it back to the family...but it means so much to me. It keeps the family alive.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Mike1283
()
Date: February 13, 2010 06:42AM
Holy crap, i was right, he was in high school when he wrote that. I was just kidding. My god, I should be picking lottery numbers!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
AlBlaster
()
Date: February 13, 2010 05:14PM
Looks like the Springield Connection article is by the same Matthew Warner. I found this on his bibliography page:
Approx. 70 newspaper articles
The Connection Newspapers/Centre View/Manassas Weekly Gazette. (Fairfax County, VA.) June-Aug. 1992.
I just sent him an email (including a link to this thread) asking if he has any additional information he can provide on the Crypts. I would really like to see some pictures of what the outside looked like before it was vandalized in the 70s.
Approx. 70 newspaper articles
The Connection Newspapers/Centre View/Manassas Weekly Gazette. (Fairfax County, VA.) June-Aug. 1992.
I just sent him an email (including a link to this thread) asking if he has any additional information he can provide on the Crypts. I would really like to see some pictures of what the outside looked like before it was vandalized in the 70s.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: February 15, 2010 07:02AM
Thanks, Dane. I'm not sure why I didn't think of Google in the first place. Great find, though.
AlBlaster, let us know when Matthew replies. Hopefully someone who puts that much effort into his website checks/responds his e-mails in a timely fashion.
AlBlaster, let us know when Matthew replies. Hopefully someone who puts that much effort into his website checks/responds his e-mails in a timely fashion.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Matthew Warner
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Date: February 16, 2010 09:50AM
Hi all,
Yes, indeed, I'm the same Matthew Warner who wrote that old article for the Connection newspaper. I'm sorry I didn't write back earlier; any emails sent through my website form that contain a link are automatically deleted as spam. I just chanced upon this message thread by reviewing my site's stats. (Thanks for the compliments on the design, by the way!)
To answer your questions, I wrote that article while a journalism intern at the Connection during the summer between my freshman and sophomore years at college. I learned of the Remeum from my piano teacher Chris Johnston, who is quoted in the article and whose picture was printed with it. As I recall--and this is 18 years ago, so my memory is a little fuzzy--I obtained most of my information from an extensive file in the Virginia Room of the Fairfax Library. I imagine the file is still there.
I eventually become a much better journalist than I was at age 19, so I'm not sure I even visited the grounds when I composed the article. I eventually did visit it years later while trolling for ideas for a horror novel. I didn't find much except for an old smoke stack, I think, plus a weathered stone bench. I still have the inscription that I found engraved in the bench:
"Greetings from the builder of the Remum
To those who sit here rejoicing
to those who sit here sorrowing
as he himself has done in days past."
Let me know if you have any more questions, although I think that's pretty much all I remember.
Best,
Matt
Yes, indeed, I'm the same Matthew Warner who wrote that old article for the Connection newspaper. I'm sorry I didn't write back earlier; any emails sent through my website form that contain a link are automatically deleted as spam. I just chanced upon this message thread by reviewing my site's stats. (Thanks for the compliments on the design, by the way!)
To answer your questions, I wrote that article while a journalism intern at the Connection during the summer between my freshman and sophomore years at college. I learned of the Remeum from my piano teacher Chris Johnston, who is quoted in the article and whose picture was printed with it. As I recall--and this is 18 years ago, so my memory is a little fuzzy--I obtained most of my information from an extensive file in the Virginia Room of the Fairfax Library. I imagine the file is still there.
I eventually become a much better journalist than I was at age 19, so I'm not sure I even visited the grounds when I composed the article. I eventually did visit it years later while trolling for ideas for a horror novel. I didn't find much except for an old smoke stack, I think, plus a weathered stone bench. I still have the inscription that I found engraved in the bench:
"Greetings from the builder of the Remum
To those who sit here rejoicing
to those who sit here sorrowing
as he himself has done in days past."
Let me know if you have any more questions, although I think that's pretty much all I remember.
Best,
Matt
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: February 16, 2010 12:04PM
Thanks for getting back to us Matt.
The information that you got about the Crypts having more than one underground level, was that from the file in the Virginia Room or from another source?
Any chance that your former piano teacher might know, if you still keep in touch with him?
The information that you got about the Crypts having more than one underground level, was that from the file in the Virginia Room or from another source?
Any chance that your former piano teacher might know, if you still keep in touch with him?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
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Date: February 16, 2010 02:33PM
It was probably from a written source, if I was that specific. I think the only people I was actually able to interview were Chris and then a person at Pohick Church who obviously wished I never called.
I haven't spoken to Chris in many years, alas. (I miss 'im!) Maybe one of the others here like CBLB78 who've been there might remember.
I haven't spoken to Chris in many years, alas. (I miss 'im!) Maybe one of the others here like CBLB78 who've been there might remember.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
CBLB78
()
Date: February 16, 2010 05:55PM
Matthew Warner Wrote:
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> It was probably from a written source, if I was
> that specific. I think the only people I was
> actually able to interview were Chris and then a
> person at Pohick Church who obviously wished I
> never called.
>
> I haven't spoken to Chris in many years, alas. (I
> miss 'im!) Maybe one of the others here like
> CBLB78 who've been there might remember.
I didn't know of any other levels back in the day but I would tend to believe they exist(ed) :) from the other posts in this thread.
If the entrances to other levels were covered up I would have never known they existed. The excellent photos of the interior from this thread were the areas I hung out in and I never saw anyone exploring other areas.
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> It was probably from a written source, if I was
> that specific. I think the only people I was
> actually able to interview were Chris and then a
> person at Pohick Church who obviously wished I
> never called.
>
> I haven't spoken to Chris in many years, alas. (I
> miss 'im!) Maybe one of the others here like
> CBLB78 who've been there might remember.
I didn't know of any other levels back in the day but I would tend to believe they exist(ed) :) from the other posts in this thread.
If the entrances to other levels were covered up I would have never known they existed. The excellent photos of the interior from this thread were the areas I hung out in and I never saw anyone exploring other areas.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 17, 2010 07:09AM
I doubt that a copy of the actual blueprints for the Crypts would necessarily be in the Virginia Room, but the other books that Remey wrote could be useful as far as getting an idea to how many levels there might have been. I'll probably get to the Virginia Room before I get to the Crypts site (for the obvious reason that this shit will NEVER melt!).
joe, is there any word on where your friend saw those original blueprints and where they might be today?
joe, is there any word on where your friend saw those original blueprints and where they might be today?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BAC
()
Date: February 19, 2010 09:01AM
The papers of Charles Mason Remey (1874-1974) are located at Princeton University. This url will take you directly to the finding aid:
http://arks.princeton.edu/ark:/88435/1r66j1172
The papers do contain some drawings and other information relating to the Remeum. Duplicates of a few items are also available in the files maintained by the Virginia Room, Fairfax County Public Library (Fairfax, Va.).
Current state law requires building and destruction permits be maintained for 3 years from date of finalization, so the County Dept. of Public Works has no surviving records relating to the building or its destruction.
As for the alleged sub-levels, no such luck. Urban legend. They don't appear on any of the drawings pr surviving photographs. All of the alleged eyewitness testimony are second-hand at best. It is always "I was told..."
http://arks.princeton.edu/ark:/88435/1r66j1172
The papers do contain some drawings and other information relating to the Remeum. Duplicates of a few items are also available in the files maintained by the Virginia Room, Fairfax County Public Library (Fairfax, Va.).
Current state law requires building and destruction permits be maintained for 3 years from date of finalization, so the County Dept. of Public Works has no surviving records relating to the building or its destruction.
As for the alleged sub-levels, no such luck. Urban legend. They don't appear on any of the drawings pr surviving photographs. All of the alleged eyewitness testimony are second-hand at best. It is always "I was told..."
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
GMU Hokie
()
Date: February 19, 2010 09:47AM
The trustees of Pohick Church had to file a lawsuit to get the Mausoleum "Remeum" demolished.
The case file surely must exist.
Has anyone reviewed it?
The case file surely must exist.
Has anyone reviewed it?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 19, 2010 09:58AM
When you say that the sub-levels "don't appear on any of the drawings", I'm assuming that the files that are in the Virginia Room actually have drawings in them of THE CRYPTS that were located in Lorton?
If so, that's great news! I assumed that the book that Remey wrote only had drawings of other crypts that he'd designed and built, but not of the one that was in Lorton. If that's the case, we don't have to bother worrying about where the original blueprints are.
If so, that's great news! I assumed that the book that Remey wrote only had drawings of other crypts that he'd designed and built, but not of the one that was in Lorton. If that's the case, we don't have to bother worrying about where the original blueprints are.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
GMU Hokie
()
Date: February 19, 2010 09:58AM
I believe the information here has been posted previously but I am not sure.
The case file should be available through the United States District Court in Alexandria although it is likely housed off site.
In the case file there might be documentation of who contracted to destroy the crypts.
Perhaps the persons or companies that did the work can provide further illumination.
Remey Family Mausoleum (Remeum)
Formerly located @1/2 mile southwest of Pohick Episcopal Church, 9301 Richmond Hwy., Lorton, Va.
In 1937 CHARLES MASON REMEY (1874-1974) contracted with Pohick Episcopal Church for 5.2 acres of land to build a mausoleum for his family. Remey reportedly chose Pohick Church because GEORGE MASON IV, his great grandfather, was a vestryman. Remey was an architect of international reputation and a man of some wealth. Construction of the "Remeum" began in 1939 and was finished in 1948, with more than 2 million bricks, and numerous statues and carvings, most by well known artists, used in the structure. In 1962 the church vestry, motivated by concerns over the size of the ediface and serious problems with vandalism, began to negotiate with Remey to break the 1937 contract. An agreement signed in Federal District Court in 1968 gave Remey until April 1973 to remove anything he wanted from the mausoleum, thereafter ownership reverted to the church. Relatives had @15 burials removed to Pompey, N. Y., and by 1973, the year the building was demolished, only Remey's wife GERTRUDE was still there. Her remains were reinterred at Pohick Church before demolition began.
From Cemeteries of Fairfax County, Virginia by Brian A. Conley
Cemetery Index | Virginia Room
The case file should be available through the United States District Court in Alexandria although it is likely housed off site.
In the case file there might be documentation of who contracted to destroy the crypts.
Perhaps the persons or companies that did the work can provide further illumination.
Remey Family Mausoleum (Remeum)
Formerly located @1/2 mile southwest of Pohick Episcopal Church, 9301 Richmond Hwy., Lorton, Va.
In 1937 CHARLES MASON REMEY (1874-1974) contracted with Pohick Episcopal Church for 5.2 acres of land to build a mausoleum for his family. Remey reportedly chose Pohick Church because GEORGE MASON IV, his great grandfather, was a vestryman. Remey was an architect of international reputation and a man of some wealth. Construction of the "Remeum" began in 1939 and was finished in 1948, with more than 2 million bricks, and numerous statues and carvings, most by well known artists, used in the structure. In 1962 the church vestry, motivated by concerns over the size of the ediface and serious problems with vandalism, began to negotiate with Remey to break the 1937 contract. An agreement signed in Federal District Court in 1968 gave Remey until April 1973 to remove anything he wanted from the mausoleum, thereafter ownership reverted to the church. Relatives had @15 burials removed to Pompey, N. Y., and by 1973, the year the building was demolished, only Remey's wife GERTRUDE was still there. Her remains were reinterred at Pohick Church before demolition began.
From Cemeteries of Fairfax County, Virginia by Brian A. Conley
Cemetery Index | Virginia Room
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 19, 2010 11:14AM
GMU Hokie Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The trustees of Pohick Church had to file a
> lawsuit to get the Mausoleum "Remeum" demolished.
>
> The case file surely must exist.
>
> Has anyone reviewed it?
Who was the lawsuit against? That would help in the search, because they "negotiated" with Remey (or was the lawsuit considered a negotiation?).
Was it the County?
-------------------------------------------------------
> The trustees of Pohick Church had to file a
> lawsuit to get the Mausoleum "Remeum" demolished.
>
> The case file surely must exist.
>
> Has anyone reviewed it?
Who was the lawsuit against? That would help in the search, because they "negotiated" with Remey (or was the lawsuit considered a negotiation?).
Was it the County?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jimbo
()
Date: February 19, 2010 11:59PM
My friend (the guy lying in the sarcophagus photo on the previous page) found out about the crypts from his mother, who was on some committee to try and preserve it from demolition. There were some creepy exterior and interior photos of it on their dining room table. He brought me to his house to check out the photos. When his mother saw us looking at them she took them away, knowing full well that we would want to go there. She refused to give us any information as to its location since we had a dubious reputation.
Being around 1977 or so, we were limited as to search engines, Google, and aerial maps. We drove around the Pohick/Ft. Belvoir area and asked around. We finally found it just as Alan Rogers described. You climbed over a tall heap of dirt and rubble that barely covered the entrance archway. When you came down the other side you were confronted with the statues of Adm. Remey & wife. Straight back was a relatively new cinder block wall, which we assumed was the previous way to get to the supposed additional underground levels (which we never found after 27 visits!). The sides of the entrance hall was lined with several large statues representing 'faith', 'hope, 'jealousy', etc.
The statue of Adm. Remey & wife was exceptionally creepy to first timers because he was headless and had red candle wax dripping down his chest (see previous photos). His wife's statue was more subtle. She had burn marks on her face but some brilliant sick-o SOB put glow-in-the-dark paint on her face! The typical scenario when bringing newbies to the crypts was to turn around and shine the flashlight on the statue faces. That usually got a "Holy shit!". Almost always, as you swept the flashlight away from the wife, they would see the faint glow from her face and you'd get a "What the f**k is that?!!" or "Pants full!!!"
If you look at the included photo, you will see a slight green/yellow tint on her face as well as the medals on his chest (glow-in-the-dark paint). Behind his right thigh you can see one of the several statues lining the entrance hall.Straight past the archway in the back is the cinder block wall, although you cannot see it on this photo.
Stumpy had legs because I remember seeing his silhouette in his doorway at night, as he let his dogs out to find us. The dogs were not dobermans but something less threatening (golden retrievers or mutts).
It was a great place, especially when you had no money and you were bored.
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Being around 1977 or so, we were limited as to search engines, Google, and aerial maps. We drove around the Pohick/Ft. Belvoir area and asked around. We finally found it just as Alan Rogers described. You climbed over a tall heap of dirt and rubble that barely covered the entrance archway. When you came down the other side you were confronted with the statues of Adm. Remey & wife. Straight back was a relatively new cinder block wall, which we assumed was the previous way to get to the supposed additional underground levels (which we never found after 27 visits!). The sides of the entrance hall was lined with several large statues representing 'faith', 'hope, 'jealousy', etc.
The statue of Adm. Remey & wife was exceptionally creepy to first timers because he was headless and had red candle wax dripping down his chest (see previous photos). His wife's statue was more subtle. She had burn marks on her face but some brilliant sick-o SOB put glow-in-the-dark paint on her face! The typical scenario when bringing newbies to the crypts was to turn around and shine the flashlight on the statue faces. That usually got a "Holy shit!". Almost always, as you swept the flashlight away from the wife, they would see the faint glow from her face and you'd get a "What the f**k is that?!!" or "Pants full!!!"
If you look at the included photo, you will see a slight green/yellow tint on her face as well as the medals on his chest (glow-in-the-dark paint). Behind his right thigh you can see one of the several statues lining the entrance hall.Straight past the archway in the back is the cinder block wall, although you cannot see it on this photo.
Stumpy had legs because I remember seeing his silhouette in his doorway at night, as he let his dogs out to find us. The dogs were not dobermans but something less threatening (golden retrievers or mutts).
It was a great place, especially when you had no money and you were bored.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
GMU Hokie
()
Date: February 20, 2010 12:14PM
Scull,
You might want to make contact with Brian Conley (see below). Last I heard he was operating out of the general district archives in Springfield, but perhaps someone in the Virginia Room at the City of Fairfax Regional Library (http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/branches/vr/) could give you his e-mail address.
Brian Conley is the Assistant County Archivist for
Fairfax County. He was the research archivist in the
Virginia Room of the Fairfax County Public Library
until June 2007. He is well-known in our community
for his compilation of County cemetery records of
early residents. He has been a great help to many
members of our Society who have used the Virginia
Room holdings for their own research.
Brian has compiled three books of great interest
The Sculler Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> GMU Hokie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The trustees of Pohick Church had to file a
> > lawsuit to get the Mausoleum "Remeum"
> demolished.
> >
> > The case file surely must exist.
> >
> > Has anyone reviewed it?
>
> Who was the lawsuit against? That would help in
> the search, because they "negotiated" with Remey
> (or was the lawsuit considered a negotiation?).
> Was it the County?
You might want to make contact with Brian Conley (see below). Last I heard he was operating out of the general district archives in Springfield, but perhaps someone in the Virginia Room at the City of Fairfax Regional Library (http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/branches/vr/) could give you his e-mail address.
Brian Conley is the Assistant County Archivist for
Fairfax County. He was the research archivist in the
Virginia Room of the Fairfax County Public Library
until June 2007. He is well-known in our community
for his compilation of County cemetery records of
early residents. He has been a great help to many
members of our Society who have used the Virginia
Room holdings for their own research.
Brian has compiled three books of great interest
The Sculler Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> GMU Hokie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The trustees of Pohick Church had to file a
> > lawsuit to get the Mausoleum "Remeum"
> demolished.
> >
> > The case file surely must exist.
> >
> > Has anyone reviewed it?
>
> Who was the lawsuit against? That would help in
> the search, because they "negotiated" with Remey
> (or was the lawsuit considered a negotiation?).
> Was it the County?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
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GMU Hokie
()
Date: February 20, 2010 12:21PM
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photographs are in the Virginia Room's collection)
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: February 20, 2010 05:38PM
Took a trip to the Virginia Room this morning and looked at two of the Remey books. The book called "A series of twelve of the preliminary architectural studies for a mausoleum for the Remey Family" is a history of different mausoleum styles. For each style of mausoleum Remey wrote a description and created three drawings: one of the front view, one of the side view, and a floor plan. One thing I found interesting is that all (or almost all) contained lower levels. The book contained his ideas on mausoleums and does not contain the one he built. The last four pages of the book describe his thoughts on what he would actually build and I think fans of the Remeum will find it very interesting.
The second book I looked at was called "The Rem¯eum" and describes what he actually started to build. I say started to build because he had really big plans and what was actually built was only a small part of his overall plan. He actually set up a trust fund so work could continue after he was dead. He was in his 60's when he started to build the Remeum. The book contains a drawing of his plan (from the top, looking down). I would describe the book as having three parts. The first is a description of what he built, the second is a description of what he planned to add, and the third is a series of pictures of statues and tombs.
I also looked at a folder that contained the report mentioned in the Matt Warner article on this thread. Looks like a high school research project from 1991 and I think it's the most comprehensive article available on the Remeum. There were also two newspaper articles.
I copied some of the more interesting stuff and will post it soon.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2010 07:49PM by Hip.
The second book I looked at was called "The Rem¯eum" and describes what he actually started to build. I say started to build because he had really big plans and what was actually built was only a small part of his overall plan. He actually set up a trust fund so work could continue after he was dead. He was in his 60's when he started to build the Remeum. The book contains a drawing of his plan (from the top, looking down). I would describe the book as having three parts. The first is a description of what he built, the second is a description of what he planned to add, and the third is a series of pictures of statues and tombs.
I also looked at a folder that contained the report mentioned in the Matt Warner article on this thread. Looks like a high school research project from 1991 and I think it's the most comprehensive article available on the Remeum. There were also two newspaper articles.
I copied some of the more interesting stuff and will post it soon.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2010 07:49PM by Hip.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: February 20, 2010 05:49PM
Here are the last pages of Remey's mausoleum architecture book. Note the last sentence on page 18 and the first two paragraphs on page 19.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Alan Rogers
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Date: February 20, 2010 07:09PM
Thanks Hip For posting the fruits of your research. Remey appears to be a very interresting character. It is a shame a part of his history and legacy had to be destroyed.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
lashdfl
()
Date: February 20, 2010 07:48PM
Doubt the county would have ever given him a permit to build 3 subteranian levels. After they put iron gates and eventually covered the entrance in iron gates, concrete, bricks and eventually 12 ft of dirt and people were still able to get in it but could not get into the alleged underground levels? Hence the reason why I personally dont think there was more than one level. I think he had a grand idea his entire life to build a "pyramid" of his own but, when it came down to local governments approving such a structure he was more than likely denied and had to settle for a single level. If there were more than one level why was his tomb and his families on the first?
A++ to Hip for finding that info
A++ to Hip for finding that info
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: February 20, 2010 09:46PM
Here are some pictures from Remey's Remeum book. The first three are his general plan. The actual drawing was folded up into three pieces and was hard to copy. The second picture joins to the first picture at the Mason Memorial. Also, it's interesting to compare the first picture and half of the second picture to the previously posted HistoricArials photo.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: February 20, 2010 10:01PM
More pictures from Remey's Remeum book. The little boy at the bottom was four years old according to one of the plaques on the brick tower.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
papashango
()
Date: February 21, 2010 10:42AM
thanks for posting that. very interesting stuff.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Charlie Schmidt's "cool cat"
()
Date: February 21, 2010 11:57AM
wow.
very extensive floor plans.
from the paragraphs on page 19 it does sound like he completed what he sought out to do and that being underground lairs.
How could you only build the first floor without having begun digging out the bottom ones. i believe there are multiple levels!
very extensive floor plans.
from the paragraphs on page 19 it does sound like he completed what he sought out to do and that being underground lairs.
How could you only build the first floor without having begun digging out the bottom ones. i believe there are multiple levels!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Whobe
()
Date: February 21, 2010 06:51PM
Was his wife really that short or did he make her pose on her knees? Perfect height anyway.
Also, why did he leave her after getting everybody and everything else out? Strange.
Also, why did he leave her after getting everybody and everything else out? Strange.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: February 22, 2010 04:56AM
Hey I've been following this thread for a few weeks, decided to register and share my thoughts...
foreword: I'm only 22, obviously never alive during the Remeum golden age.... I just sorta stumbled upon this site/thread & became interested
1: It’s really cool hearing all the stories involving fuzz/pot/brew/good times. I wish my generation had a cool place to chill like that. Thanks for all the history of the structure itself and all the first hand accounts!
2: Based on aerial photos, the "obelisk" that remains is where the question mark is in the photo at the top of the second page. There is a larger than normal shadow, cast by a larger than normal object, i.e. the obelisk.
3: Is anyone intending on trying to reenter the Remeum via the “91” entrance (if it is/was an entrance)? Someone said somethin’ about trying to do that, if so, I’m game. I saw a previous post where someone mentioned that this should be kept quiet. I completely agree; I’ve told one other person.
4: When I go, I’m definitely gonna bring a six-pack to continue the tradition.
foreword: I'm only 22, obviously never alive during the Remeum golden age.... I just sorta stumbled upon this site/thread & became interested
1: It’s really cool hearing all the stories involving fuzz/pot/brew/good times. I wish my generation had a cool place to chill like that. Thanks for all the history of the structure itself and all the first hand accounts!
2: Based on aerial photos, the "obelisk" that remains is where the question mark is in the photo at the top of the second page. There is a larger than normal shadow, cast by a larger than normal object, i.e. the obelisk.
3: Is anyone intending on trying to reenter the Remeum via the “91” entrance (if it is/was an entrance)? Someone said somethin’ about trying to do that, if so, I’m game. I saw a previous post where someone mentioned that this should be kept quiet. I completely agree; I’ve told one other person.
4: When I go, I’m definitely gonna bring a six-pack to continue the tradition.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 22, 2010 08:13AM
First and foremost: as Alan already said, Hip, thanks and beyond for all your research. Just amazing stuff.
Second: I've heard from a few sources that people were too frightened to venture all the way back into the Crypts (or was it the cinderblock wall that was in the way?). So am I to believe that ALL the rooms and chambers in the incredibly instensive plans posted above WERE actually underground 30 years ago.
Holy. Shit.
I'd been intrigued by the Remeum before, but now that I have more of an idea of the sheer size/awesomeness of what was down there...(multiple chapels, sprial staircases, corridors, tombs, ALL with approximately 20 foot high ceilings!) Did anyone ever go all the way back to the Calvary Corridor? That must have been incredible! If so, we need pictures!
I was devastated before when I found out the Crypts were demolished, but now that I know that there were more than just 3 or 4 chambers down there I'm just speechless.
Really, of all the places to pick to get high...why didn't people just stick to their parents' basement?
Second: I've heard from a few sources that people were too frightened to venture all the way back into the Crypts (or was it the cinderblock wall that was in the way?). So am I to believe that ALL the rooms and chambers in the incredibly instensive plans posted above WERE actually underground 30 years ago.
Holy. Shit.
I'd been intrigued by the Remeum before, but now that I have more of an idea of the sheer size/awesomeness of what was down there...(multiple chapels, sprial staircases, corridors, tombs, ALL with approximately 20 foot high ceilings!) Did anyone ever go all the way back to the Calvary Corridor? That must have been incredible! If so, we need pictures!
I was devastated before when I found out the Crypts were demolished, but now that I know that there were more than just 3 or 4 chambers down there I'm just speechless.
Really, of all the places to pick to get high...why didn't people just stick to their parents' basement?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bledbetter
()
Date: February 22, 2010 08:49AM
The Sculler Wrote:
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> Really, of all the places to pick to get
> high...why didn't people just stick to their
> parents' basement?
Amen to that! There's no reason to destroy our past because of the irresponsibility of the present.
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> Really, of all the places to pick to get
> high...why didn't people just stick to their
> parents' basement?
Amen to that! There's no reason to destroy our past because of the irresponsibility of the present.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 22, 2010 12:59PM
GMU Hokie Wrote:
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> Scull,
>
> You might want to make contact with Brian Conley
> (see below). Last I heard he was operating out of
> the general district archives in Springfield, but
> perhaps someone in the Virginia Room at the City
> of Fairfax Regional Library
> (http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/branches/vr/
> ) could give you his e-mail address.
>
> Brian Conley is the Assistant County Archivist
> for
> Fairfax County. He was the research archivist in
> the
> Virginia Room of the Fairfax County Public
> Library
> until June 2007. He is well-known in our
> community
> for his compilation of County cemetery records of
> early residents. He has been a great help to many
> members of our Society who have used the Virginia
> Room holdings for their own research.
> Brian has compiled three books of great interest
>
>
>
>
>
> The Sculler Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > GMU Hokie Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The trustees of Pohick Church had to file a
> > > lawsuit to get the Mausoleum "Remeum"
> > demolished.
> > >
> > > The case file surely must exist.
> > >
> > > Has anyone reviewed it?
> >
> > Who was the lawsuit against? That would help
> in
> > the search, because they "negotiated" with
> Remey
> > (or was the lawsuit considered a negotiation?).
>
> > Was it the County?
Hokie, I'll probably stop by the actual site of the Crypts before I go to the Virginia Room (I'm itchin' to see the site once and for all when this snow melts). But when I do go to the VA Room, I'll be sure to ask for Mr. Conley.
Thanks for the tip.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Scull,
>
> You might want to make contact with Brian Conley
> (see below). Last I heard he was operating out of
> the general district archives in Springfield, but
> perhaps someone in the Virginia Room at the City
> of Fairfax Regional Library
> (http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/branches/vr/
> ) could give you his e-mail address.
>
> Brian Conley is the Assistant County Archivist
> for
> Fairfax County. He was the research archivist in
> the
> Virginia Room of the Fairfax County Public
> Library
> until June 2007. He is well-known in our
> community
> for his compilation of County cemetery records of
> early residents. He has been a great help to many
> members of our Society who have used the Virginia
> Room holdings for their own research.
> Brian has compiled three books of great interest
>
>
>
>
>
> The Sculler Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > GMU Hokie Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The trustees of Pohick Church had to file a
> > > lawsuit to get the Mausoleum "Remeum"
> > demolished.
> > >
> > > The case file surely must exist.
> > >
> > > Has anyone reviewed it?
> >
> > Who was the lawsuit against? That would help
> in
> > the search, because they "negotiated" with
> Remey
> > (or was the lawsuit considered a negotiation?).
>
> > Was it the County?
Hokie, I'll probably stop by the actual site of the Crypts before I go to the Virginia Room (I'm itchin' to see the site once and for all when this snow melts). But when I do go to the VA Room, I'll be sure to ask for Mr. Conley.
Thanks for the tip.
Brian Conley
Posted by:
GMU Hokie
()
Date: February 22, 2010 03:55PM
Brian Conley no longer works in the Virginia Room, but surely someone there knows how to reach him.
Last I heard, he was working in the General District Court archives in Springfield off Backlick Road.
Why not stop by office of the Pohick Church itself and see what the folks there will tell you?
The Sculler Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> GMU Hokie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Scull,
> >
> > You might want to make contact with Brian
> Conley
> > (see below). Last I heard he was operating out
> of
> > the general district archives in Springfield,
> but
> > perhaps someone in the Virginia Room at the
> City
> > of Fairfax Regional Library
> >
> (http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/branches/vr/
>
> > ) could give you his e-mail address.
> >
> > Brian Conley is the Assistant County Archivist
> > for
> > Fairfax County. He was the research archivist
> in
> > the
> > Virginia Room of the Fairfax County Public
> > Library
> > until June 2007. He is well-known in our
> > community
> > for his compilation of County cemetery records
> of
> > early residents. He has been a great help to
> many
> > members of our Society who have used the
> Virginia
> > Room holdings for their own research.
> > Brian has compiled three books of great
> interest
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The Sculler Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > GMU Hokie Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > The trustees of Pohick Church had to file a
> > > > lawsuit to get the Mausoleum "Remeum"
> > > demolished.
> > > >
> > > > The case file surely must exist.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone reviewed it?
> > >
> > > Who was the lawsuit against? That would help
> > in
> > > the search, because they "negotiated" with
> > Remey
> > > (or was the lawsuit considered a
> negotiation?).
> >
> > > Was it the County?
>
> Hokie, I'll probably stop by the actual site of
> the Crypts before I go to the Virginia Room (I'm
> itchin' to see the site once and for all when this
> snow melts). But when I do go to the VA Room,
> I'll be sure to ask for Mr. Conley.
>
> Thanks for the tip.
Last I heard, he was working in the General District Court archives in Springfield off Backlick Road.
Why not stop by office of the Pohick Church itself and see what the folks there will tell you?
The Sculler Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> GMU Hokie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Scull,
> >
> > You might want to make contact with Brian
> Conley
> > (see below). Last I heard he was operating out
> of
> > the general district archives in Springfield,
> but
> > perhaps someone in the Virginia Room at the
> City
> > of Fairfax Regional Library
> >
> (http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/branches/vr/
>
> > ) could give you his e-mail address.
> >
> > Brian Conley is the Assistant County Archivist
> > for
> > Fairfax County. He was the research archivist
> in
> > the
> > Virginia Room of the Fairfax County Public
> > Library
> > until June 2007. He is well-known in our
> > community
> > for his compilation of County cemetery records
> of
> > early residents. He has been a great help to
> many
> > members of our Society who have used the
> Virginia
> > Room holdings for their own research.
> > Brian has compiled three books of great
> interest
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The Sculler Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > GMU Hokie Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > The trustees of Pohick Church had to file a
> > > > lawsuit to get the Mausoleum "Remeum"
> > > demolished.
> > > >
> > > > The case file surely must exist.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone reviewed it?
> > >
> > > Who was the lawsuit against? That would help
> > in
> > > the search, because they "negotiated" with
> > Remey
> > > (or was the lawsuit considered a
> negotiation?).
> >
> > > Was it the County?
>
> Hokie, I'll probably stop by the actual site of
> the Crypts before I go to the Virginia Room (I'm
> itchin' to see the site once and for all when this
> snow melts). But when I do go to the VA Room,
> I'll be sure to ask for Mr. Conley.
>
> Thanks for the tip.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
CBLB78
()
Date: February 22, 2010 05:24PM
The Sculler Wrote:
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> Second: I've heard from a few sources that people
> were too frightened to venture all the way back
> into the Crypts (or was it the cinderblock wall
> that was in the way?). So am I to believe that
> ALL the rooms and chambers in the incredibly
> instensive plans posted above WERE actually
> underground 30 years ago.
>
> Holy. Shit.
>
> I'd been intrigued by the Remeum before, but now
> that I have more of an idea of the sheer
> size/awesomeness of what was down
> there...(multiple chapels, sprial staircases,
> corridors, tombs, ALL with approximately 20 foot
> high ceilings!) Did anyone ever go all the way
> back to the Calvary Corridor? That must have been
> incredible! If so, we need pictures!
>
> I was devastated before when I found out the
> Crypts were demolished, but now that I know that
> there were more than just 3 or 4 chambers down
> there I'm just speechless.
>
> Really, of all the places to pick to get
> high...why didn't people just stick to their
> parents' basement?
As I recall the areas of the crypts where you've seen the photos was the extent of what you could explore in the mid 70's after the 1973 demolition. Anyone else from back in the day correct me if you know otherwise. We've heard of underground chambers but the main area wasn't all that big.
In the mid 70's nobody was vandalizing anything down there. I never saw anyone doing it nor the aftermath of vandalism. People were exploring, partying and having fun. You'd rather party in your parent's basement???
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> Second: I've heard from a few sources that people
> were too frightened to venture all the way back
> into the Crypts (or was it the cinderblock wall
> that was in the way?). So am I to believe that
> ALL the rooms and chambers in the incredibly
> instensive plans posted above WERE actually
> underground 30 years ago.
>
> Holy. Shit.
>
> I'd been intrigued by the Remeum before, but now
> that I have more of an idea of the sheer
> size/awesomeness of what was down
> there...(multiple chapels, sprial staircases,
> corridors, tombs, ALL with approximately 20 foot
> high ceilings!) Did anyone ever go all the way
> back to the Calvary Corridor? That must have been
> incredible! If so, we need pictures!
>
> I was devastated before when I found out the
> Crypts were demolished, but now that I know that
> there were more than just 3 or 4 chambers down
> there I'm just speechless.
>
> Really, of all the places to pick to get
> high...why didn't people just stick to their
> parents' basement?
As I recall the areas of the crypts where you've seen the photos was the extent of what you could explore in the mid 70's after the 1973 demolition. Anyone else from back in the day correct me if you know otherwise. We've heard of underground chambers but the main area wasn't all that big.
In the mid 70's nobody was vandalizing anything down there. I never saw anyone doing it nor the aftermath of vandalism. People were exploring, partying and having fun. You'd rather party in your parent's basement???
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: February 22, 2010 06:29PM
Regarding the General Plan, IMO what was actually built is what's on the first page and about half of the second page. I think all pictures that have been posted of the inside are of the Entrance Chamber. I remember a separate room in the back right which looks like would have been the Mason Chapel. I don't remember a room on the back left which would have been the Remey Chapel. I don't think anything to the right of the Mason and Remey Chapels was built.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: February 22, 2010 06:41PM
Here's the picture and article from the Washington Star that talks about the JDs that broke into the Remeum back in 1956. Although the quality of the picture is not very good it's the only picture I've seen that shows what the outside looked like before it was destroyed. Note the arrow on the right side of the picture that shows the hole they made. From the outside the building looks a lot wider than I remember it being on the inside.
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Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: February 22, 2010 06:51PM
Here's a Washington Star article from 1973. Sounds like they ran this story right before the church decided to destroy the Remeum. Note the first lines on the top of page 2 that talk about lighting underground portions.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Alan Rogers
()
Date: February 22, 2010 07:53PM
I agree with Hip. The only underground parts of the Crypt that were completed; Entrance Chamber, Remey Chapel, Mason Chapel, and the two Tombs beside the Chapels. I remember the cinderblock walls that Jimbo refers too; one was where the entrance to the large storage room would have been and the other was where the entrance to the Rotunda would have been. Thanks again for the pictures, Hip's research, and first-hand accounts. It has been interesting to learn some of Remey,s history and plans.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
CBLB78
()
Date: February 22, 2010 07:54PM
HIP - Thanks for all the great research!!! I know it's appreciated by all and the crypts legend isn't fading away with those of us who actually explored it.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Spacy
()
Date: February 22, 2010 09:13PM
This has been the best thread on this web site, ever! Thanks to all the people who contributed!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
graymoose1
()
Date: February 22, 2010 10:07PM
kudos to all
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: February 22, 2010 10:10PM
Spacy Wrote:
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> This has been the best thread on this web site,
> ever! Thanks to all the people who contributed!
Definitely. I didn't think urbex was possible in Fairfax, hopefully it will expand to other places in the county as well.
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> This has been the best thread on this web site,
> ever! Thanks to all the people who contributed!
Definitely. I didn't think urbex was possible in Fairfax, hopefully it will expand to other places in the county as well.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 23, 2010 07:51AM
Hokie, as tempting as it is to ask someone at Pohick Church about the Crypts, I don't think it's a good idea. As the latest article that Hip posted (and, thank you again for your hard work and research!), Pohick Church has been dealing with the problems of vandalism for nearly 45 years, so I don't think they'll want to talk about it nor will they be excited about someone being interested in it (despite the innocent intentions).
CBLB78, I got a little excited yesterday when I was under the impression that all of the above plans/drawings were constructed and completed underground, then only to be destroyed because the Church was fed up with the vandalism. Now knowing that it was in fact only 4 or 5 rooms down there and not the incredible vision that Remey had originally plannedd, I'm not AS crushed as I would have been now that I know it's gone.
However, seeing as I'm a complete straight-edge, the appeal of going down there for anything beyond exploration doesn't make much sense to me. I understand having a good time, and that times were VERY different back then (MUCH cooler in alot of ways), but I just think it sucks that a few bad apples had to potentially ruin it for everyone. But when kids stumble upon something as cool as the Crypts that's completely secluded and out of site from the authorities and their parents, I can see how things could get out of hand. But why trash it?
But can you imagine if Remey had completed the Remeum as he'd planned and it was still there today, safe from the elements and corrosion (and NUCS!)? What if that planning committee had been able to make it an historical landmark and it was completely safe from urban development?
CBLB78, I got a little excited yesterday when I was under the impression that all of the above plans/drawings were constructed and completed underground, then only to be destroyed because the Church was fed up with the vandalism. Now knowing that it was in fact only 4 or 5 rooms down there and not the incredible vision that Remey had originally plannedd, I'm not AS crushed as I would have been now that I know it's gone.
However, seeing as I'm a complete straight-edge, the appeal of going down there for anything beyond exploration doesn't make much sense to me. I understand having a good time, and that times were VERY different back then (MUCH cooler in alot of ways), but I just think it sucks that a few bad apples had to potentially ruin it for everyone. But when kids stumble upon something as cool as the Crypts that's completely secluded and out of site from the authorities and their parents, I can see how things could get out of hand. But why trash it?
But can you imagine if Remey had completed the Remeum as he'd planned and it was still there today, safe from the elements and corrosion (and NUCS!)? What if that planning committee had been able to make it an historical landmark and it was completely safe from urban development?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
CBLB78
()
Date: February 23, 2010 09:07AM
My point is only that the vandalism problem was from before the 1973 demolition. I think you can blame the eventual demolition on those from back in the 50's and 60's. I don't think we've heard from anyone that was there before the demo.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: February 23, 2010 10:00AM
Sculler,
I have been to the church and asked them about the crypts, this was sometime in the late 1990's. They didn't have a lot of info but they were very friendly and told me and a friend that the crypts had been sealed and there was no entrance anymore. We actually left the church and walked straight through the woods to were the crypt used to be and no one bothered us or asked us to leave. I imagine that they don't know much about them because the people who took care of the church when the crypts were still open no longer work there and the new people only have stories that have been passed down by former employees. I don't think you would bring any unwanted attention to the site if you spoke with them, although I'm not sure you would gain anything from it either.
I have been to the church and asked them about the crypts, this was sometime in the late 1990's. They didn't have a lot of info but they were very friendly and told me and a friend that the crypts had been sealed and there was no entrance anymore. We actually left the church and walked straight through the woods to were the crypt used to be and no one bothered us or asked us to leave. I imagine that they don't know much about them because the people who took care of the church when the crypts were still open no longer work there and the new people only have stories that have been passed down by former employees. I don't think you would bring any unwanted attention to the site if you spoke with them, although I'm not sure you would gain anything from it either.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Zoomer
()
Date: February 23, 2010 11:10AM
It would be very interesting to me if someone knew of any members of the Pagens from the 60's or early 70's and could get their take on the Crypts. I really think it was a huge party place for them and they were the ones that mostly destroyed the place in wild drunken, acid laced parties from that time. I've heard many very bad stories of some of the bad things that happened there over the years and the Pagens were always in the center of it. When I first started going there long ago, the first thing we checked for was to make sure no motorcycles were parked close by...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 23, 2010 11:23AM
Somebody earlier in the thread (I'm not gonna even begin to look for it) had said that they too had taken a tour of the church, and had inquired about the Crypts. That had something like the tour guides were very quick to say that it was something they didn't like to discuss and quickly moved on with the tour. Having heard that, plus reading the articles as to what the church had been through in the past with vandals, I ASSUMED (my mistake) that if they got wind of someone being interested in the Crypts once again they'd be quick to put a stop to it.
But hearing what you said gives me alot of hope. I guess they figure that there's not a whole helluvalot to see back there, so there's no reason to worry about it anymore.
I am looking forward to getting out there once all this crap melts, to just get an idea of where it once was and what it may have looked like. Maybe get an idea of just HOW MUCH demo they did, and what could still be underground.
But hearing what you said gives me alot of hope. I guess they figure that there's not a whole helluvalot to see back there, so there's no reason to worry about it anymore.
I am looking forward to getting out there once all this crap melts, to just get an idea of where it once was and what it may have looked like. Maybe get an idea of just HOW MUCH demo they did, and what could still be underground.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 23, 2010 11:31AM
Zoomer Wrote:
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> It would be very interesting to me if someone knew
> of any members of the Pagens from the 60's or
> early 70's and could get their take on the Crypts.
> I really think it was a huge party place for them
> and they were the ones that mostly destroyed the
> place in wild drunken, acid laced parties from
> that time. I've heard many very bad stories of
> some of the bad things that happened there over
> the years and the Pagens were always in the center
> of it. When I first started going there long ago,
> the first thing we checked for was to make sure no
> motorcycles were parked close by...
Yeah. If anyone knows any of the original members of that classy group of people, let 'em know, "Thanks a-fuckin'-lot" and "The bitch didn't fall off your bike, she was never on it in the first place since there's nowhere else to sit thanks to your fat ass!"
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> It would be very interesting to me if someone knew
> of any members of the Pagens from the 60's or
> early 70's and could get their take on the Crypts.
> I really think it was a huge party place for them
> and they were the ones that mostly destroyed the
> place in wild drunken, acid laced parties from
> that time. I've heard many very bad stories of
> some of the bad things that happened there over
> the years and the Pagens were always in the center
> of it. When I first started going there long ago,
> the first thing we checked for was to make sure no
> motorcycles were parked close by...
Yeah. If anyone knows any of the original members of that classy group of people, let 'em know, "Thanks a-fuckin'-lot" and "The bitch didn't fall off your bike, she was never on it in the first place since there's nowhere else to sit thanks to your fat ass!"
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Alan Rogers
()
Date: February 23, 2010 07:11PM
Again thanks to all. When I visited the Crypt in the late 70's I thought it was impressive then, even with the dirt bulldozed in front of the entrance and courtyard walls. I never realized who built it until right before this thread was started and even then you could not find much information on it. Now when you Goggle Remeum this Fairfax Underground thread is there and it is updated when this thread is updated.I believe the Pagans/Hells Angels rumble in the early 80's was the final nail in the coffin (no pun intended) for the Crypt. It has been nice meeting you Hip, Jimbo, CBLB78, and The Sculler.
The Pagans are still around . . .
Posted by:
GMU Hokie
()
Date: February 23, 2010 07:21PM
Not sure I would want to ask them many questions.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=Pagans+motorcycle+&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=off
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=Pagans+motorcycle+&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=off
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: February 23, 2010 07:54PM
I used Photoshop to put the HistoricArials photo next to Remey's general plan to show the sections that were built. I wish the airplane and copyright text weren't there.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
CBLB78
()
Date: February 23, 2010 10:27PM
Alan Rogers Wrote:
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> Again thanks to all. When I visited the Crypt in
> the late 70's I thought it was impressive then,
> even with the dirt bulldozed in front of the
> entrance and courtyard walls. I never realized who
> built it until right before this thread was
> started and even then you could not find much
> information on it. Now when you Goggle Remeum this
> Fairfax Underground thread is there and it is
> updated when this thread is updated.I believe the
> Pagans/Hells Angels rumble in the early 80's was
> the final nail in the coffin (no pun intended) for
> the Crypt. It has been nice meeting you Hip,
> Jimbo, CBLB78, and The Sculler.
We're in the same boat. I never knew the actual history back in the day and, later, the crypts were just a memory without any details. I'm sure many who I told my stories to probably didn't believe me. The various pictures of my contemporarys exploring brought a rush of memories. I never thought to take a camera there but I'm glad somebody did. Hip's research and articles are awesome. I'm not sure how you found them.
Now I'd like to hear more about the motorcycle gangs and pre-demolition stories of the 60's and early 70's.
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> Again thanks to all. When I visited the Crypt in
> the late 70's I thought it was impressive then,
> even with the dirt bulldozed in front of the
> entrance and courtyard walls. I never realized who
> built it until right before this thread was
> started and even then you could not find much
> information on it. Now when you Goggle Remeum this
> Fairfax Underground thread is there and it is
> updated when this thread is updated.I believe the
> Pagans/Hells Angels rumble in the early 80's was
> the final nail in the coffin (no pun intended) for
> the Crypt. It has been nice meeting you Hip,
> Jimbo, CBLB78, and The Sculler.
We're in the same boat. I never knew the actual history back in the day and, later, the crypts were just a memory without any details. I'm sure many who I told my stories to probably didn't believe me. The various pictures of my contemporarys exploring brought a rush of memories. I never thought to take a camera there but I'm glad somebody did. Hip's research and articles are awesome. I'm not sure how you found them.
Now I'd like to hear more about the motorcycle gangs and pre-demolition stories of the 60's and early 70's.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 24, 2010 07:02AM
Alan Rogers Wrote:
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> Again thanks to all. When I visited the Crypt in
> the late 70's I thought it was impressive then,
> even with the dirt bulldozed in front of the
> entrance and courtyard walls. I never realized who
> built it until right before this thread was
> started and even then you could not find much
> information on it. Now when you Goggle Remeum this
> Fairfax Underground thread is there and it is
> updated when this thread is updated.I believe the
> Pagans/Hells Angels rumble in the early 80's was
> the final nail in the coffin (no pun intended) for
> the Crypt. It has been nice meeting you Hip,
> Jimbo, CBLB78, and The Sculler.
Likewise, without a doubt. I've only been in the area since 1998. If you hadn't started this thread, and the incredible contributions of everyone else had not been posted, I would've NEVER known about this treasure in Fairfax's history.
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> Again thanks to all. When I visited the Crypt in
> the late 70's I thought it was impressive then,
> even with the dirt bulldozed in front of the
> entrance and courtyard walls. I never realized who
> built it until right before this thread was
> started and even then you could not find much
> information on it. Now when you Goggle Remeum this
> Fairfax Underground thread is there and it is
> updated when this thread is updated.I believe the
> Pagans/Hells Angels rumble in the early 80's was
> the final nail in the coffin (no pun intended) for
> the Crypt. It has been nice meeting you Hip,
> Jimbo, CBLB78, and The Sculler.
Likewise, without a doubt. I've only been in the area since 1998. If you hadn't started this thread, and the incredible contributions of everyone else had not been posted, I would've NEVER known about this treasure in Fairfax's history.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 24, 2010 08:06AM
Maybe I'm not searching correctly, but the only thing I find on the Pagans/Hells Angels in Lorton when I Google is THIS THREAD! (Hehe) I found another article about the Pagans dumping 2 bodies of a rival gang out near Tysons Corner in the 70's, but that's it.
I don't know if the fight between the Hells Angels and the Pagans at the Crypts was ever written up in the papers. We may have to rely on the memories of posters, if anyone has 'em.
I don't know if the fight between the Hells Angels and the Pagans at the Crypts was ever written up in the papers. We may have to rely on the memories of posters, if anyone has 'em.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: February 24, 2010 09:08AM
I don't remember hearing about a fight at the crypts, maybe it was just in this area and not actually at the crypts. I do remember that across the street from Marumsco Plaza on Rt 1 in Woodbridge there used to be an old abandoned house and the Pagan's used it to party and hang out in it. There were always motorcycles parked outside and remnants of bonfires in the yard. It was destroyed years ago and replaced with a bank.
From looking at the historic aerials pic next to the plans I would say the mound of dirt out in the woods is about the size and length of the Cruciform Enclosure. If the Inner Atrium area was built it would seem very possible that it is still intact, they probably destroyed the main entrance and bulldozed a ton of dirt over it but since there was no second entrance why waste the time and money to destroy an area that no one could get to.
I feel like we are writing our own episode of Cities of the Underworld, now if we could just find a way to get down there and see what, if anything, is left.
From looking at the historic aerials pic next to the plans I would say the mound of dirt out in the woods is about the size and length of the Cruciform Enclosure. If the Inner Atrium area was built it would seem very possible that it is still intact, they probably destroyed the main entrance and bulldozed a ton of dirt over it but since there was no second entrance why waste the time and money to destroy an area that no one could get to.
I feel like we are writing our own episode of Cities of the Underworld, now if we could just find a way to get down there and see what, if anything, is left.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 24, 2010 09:17AM
I like your style.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jimbo
()
Date: February 25, 2010 10:55PM
In all of our visits to the Crypts, we never saw any evidence of the Pagan motorcycle club. Once, we encountered a guy leaving the Crypt entrance with a shotgun. He was our age or younger. We just sort of nodded at each other and continued inside, hoping not to find freshly murdered people.
On several occasions we heard the tell-tale sound of small rocks rolling down the rubble pile and hitting the floor of the Crypt hall. That meant that someone was on the mound outside the entrance or on their way in...
1. Once I crept to the top of the mount and saw the pant legs of a Virginia State Trooper. I was dismayed and slithered back to deliver the news to my friends. We waited down there without lights or noise for about 45 minutes until the trooper left. That was a little eerie.
2. While roaming around down there one night, we heard a lot of rocks falling and the sound of someone sliding down the rubble pile. We hid behind statues because we thought that this was someone in a hurry. When the person arrived, he was clearly scared shitless. He was latino and was asking "Hey man! Is it cool!? Is it cool!?" One of my buddies decided to mess with his mind. He had a grey Radio Shack flashlight with about a half-dozen D-cells in it. He stepped out from behind the statue and shouted something like "Hail Azmodeus!! King of evil!!! Who will be the sacrifice!!?" We all beamed on him and he screamed. It turned out he had his girlfriend with him and he had twisted his ankle. We let him know that we were just kidding and not to worry. Shortly thereafter, about 6 or so of his friends came down and proceeded to get really drunk and make a huge amount of noise. We left.
3. One of our friends was a total waste-of-skin druggie who wanted to go to the Crypts. On the way there he drank some beers and I think he took some of his mother's quaaludes. We literally carried him into the crypts and put him in the same sarcophagus seen in the earlier page of this blog (the one with our class valedictorian in it). He woke up about an hour later, sat up and said something like, "Whoa! Very cool!" It didn't seem to phase him one bit. I wonder where he is now?
It is a shame that there is nothing left of the place now. Where are today's youth going to go for wholesome fun and adventure?
On several occasions we heard the tell-tale sound of small rocks rolling down the rubble pile and hitting the floor of the Crypt hall. That meant that someone was on the mound outside the entrance or on their way in...
1. Once I crept to the top of the mount and saw the pant legs of a Virginia State Trooper. I was dismayed and slithered back to deliver the news to my friends. We waited down there without lights or noise for about 45 minutes until the trooper left. That was a little eerie.
2. While roaming around down there one night, we heard a lot of rocks falling and the sound of someone sliding down the rubble pile. We hid behind statues because we thought that this was someone in a hurry. When the person arrived, he was clearly scared shitless. He was latino and was asking "Hey man! Is it cool!? Is it cool!?" One of my buddies decided to mess with his mind. He had a grey Radio Shack flashlight with about a half-dozen D-cells in it. He stepped out from behind the statue and shouted something like "Hail Azmodeus!! King of evil!!! Who will be the sacrifice!!?" We all beamed on him and he screamed. It turned out he had his girlfriend with him and he had twisted his ankle. We let him know that we were just kidding and not to worry. Shortly thereafter, about 6 or so of his friends came down and proceeded to get really drunk and make a huge amount of noise. We left.
3. One of our friends was a total waste-of-skin druggie who wanted to go to the Crypts. On the way there he drank some beers and I think he took some of his mother's quaaludes. We literally carried him into the crypts and put him in the same sarcophagus seen in the earlier page of this blog (the one with our class valedictorian in it). He woke up about an hour later, sat up and said something like, "Whoa! Very cool!" It didn't seem to phase him one bit. I wonder where he is now?
It is a shame that there is nothing left of the place now. Where are today's youth going to go for wholesome fun and adventure?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 26, 2010 07:12AM
I glad there was a better sense of community back then. If the Crypts were still around today I'd be VERY cautious about worming down that hole and taking a chance on the crazy fuckers that are walking the streets today!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: February 26, 2010 06:15PM
Jimbo,
Regarding the pictures you've posted, can you tell us what year they were taken?
Regarding the pictures you've posted, can you tell us what year they were taken?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jimbo
()
Date: February 27, 2010 12:04AM
I was still in highschool, so I'd say between 1978-1980. I was using one of those 110 instamatics.That's why they are so grainy when you scan them and enlarge them.
Here is a picture of me on one of the body slabs in the Crypt. I would wear a head lamp to keep my hands free.It looked dorky but it was very functional.
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Here is a picture of me on one of the body slabs in the Crypt. I would wear a head lamp to keep my hands free.It looked dorky but it was very functional.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Mofo
()
Date: February 27, 2010 11:23AM
I agree this is the best post ever on FFX underground. The thread about who's buried in front of Pan Am shopping center would be second.
But I love historical stuff about our county. Thanks everyone for the historical research on this.
But I love historical stuff about our county. Thanks everyone for the historical research on this.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: February 27, 2010 01:55PM
When I went there in 1979-1982 we used to take Pohick Road to Route 1 and park at a dumpy a little store. I think it was called the Pohick Country or General Store which was on the other side of Route 1 from the Crypts. It's not there anymore but I haven't heard this store mentioned by anyone on this thread. Just wondering if anyone else remembers the store or where they used to park when visiting the Crypts. I know it's been 30+ years and the area around the Crypts has changed.
Also, on this thread I've learned that Remey called his mausoleum "the Remeum". I think the most popular name we had for the place was "the Crypts" followed by "the Pohick Crypts". I'm interested in how other people referred to the place. We never called it the Remeum.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/07/2010 07:08PM by Hip.
Also, on this thread I've learned that Remey called his mausoleum "the Remeum". I think the most popular name we had for the place was "the Crypts" followed by "the Pohick Crypts". I'm interested in how other people referred to the place. We never called it the Remeum.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/07/2010 07:08PM by Hip.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
chili today, hot tamale
()
Date: February 27, 2010 04:36PM
I've been following this thread too, really interesting thanks guys.
Alan Rogers Wrote:
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> I agree with Hip. The only underground parts of
> the Crypt that were completed; Entrance Chamber,
> Remey Chapel, Mason Chapel, and the two Tombs
> beside the Chapels. I remember the cinderblock
> walls that Jimbo refers too; one was where the
> entrance to the large storage room would have been
> and the other was where the entrance to the
> Rotunda would have been. Thanks again for the
> pictures, Hip's research, and first-hand accounts.
> It has been interesting to learn some of Remey,s
> history and plans.
So looking at the map you guys are saying the entrance chamber, two chapels and the two side by site tombs were there and then there was a concrete wall which would have led to the rotunda. I may have missed it but could the rest of the underground tomb have existed, going back to the other tombs, chapels, etc? Like maybe it was sealed off earlier so that if the entrance chamber was broken into it would still prevent people from going any deeper into the tomb?
Alan Rogers Wrote:
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> I agree with Hip. The only underground parts of
> the Crypt that were completed; Entrance Chamber,
> Remey Chapel, Mason Chapel, and the two Tombs
> beside the Chapels. I remember the cinderblock
> walls that Jimbo refers too; one was where the
> entrance to the large storage room would have been
> and the other was where the entrance to the
> Rotunda would have been. Thanks again for the
> pictures, Hip's research, and first-hand accounts.
> It has been interesting to learn some of Remey,s
> history and plans.
So looking at the map you guys are saying the entrance chamber, two chapels and the two side by site tombs were there and then there was a concrete wall which would have led to the rotunda. I may have missed it but could the rest of the underground tomb have existed, going back to the other tombs, chapels, etc? Like maybe it was sealed off earlier so that if the entrance chamber was broken into it would still prevent people from going any deeper into the tomb?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Whobe
()
Date: February 27, 2010 08:24PM
Wasn't there a boarded up building attached to that old store? I used to stop there once in a while when I worked near there.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Kardinal
()
Date: February 28, 2010 12:48AM
I think the fact that after so many have posted here without a mention of anything beyond the first five rooms indicates that it's likely that's all there is.
So, Sculler, what's the status of the plans to slip through the vents to try to get down there again? :)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/28/2010 12:52AM by Kardinal.
So, Sculler, what's the status of the plans to slip through the vents to try to get down there again? :)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/28/2010 12:52AM by Kardinal.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: February 28, 2010 07:44PM
The "91" picture and the newspaper picture from 1956 (with the juvenile delinquents) look to me like they are the same entrance (the 91 picture obviously after the first attempt to cover the Remeum). If so, where is that entrance on the blueprints? Is the "91" entrance the main entrance on the blueprints? Also, if that is the case, which wall is portrayed in the first picture of this thread?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jimbo
()
Date: February 28, 2010 11:06PM
I graduated from Lake Braddock in 1980. What school did you go to, Hip?
I also remember parking at that store. When I read that post I suddenly remembered that we parked by that run down place and we would walk along the same side of the road (in the same direction as the traffic) before cutting right to go down to the crypts. The more direct path was reserved for summer, when the leaves on the trees would block Stumpy's view and quiet things a bit. The indirect path was through the woods and we would come up to the rear of the Crypt. We reserved that for winter since the lack of foliage left us exposed.
I also remember that there were marble plaques with bas relief carvings set into the outside walls. They depicted the freeing of the slaves and some other military scenes. Inside the crypt there was another marble plaque of a Navy ship. I don't remember the name of the ship. I Googled "USS Remey" and I found a US Destroyer by that name but it was named after a different Remey (George C Remey rather than Charles Remey of the Crypts).
I also remember parking at that store. When I read that post I suddenly remembered that we parked by that run down place and we would walk along the same side of the road (in the same direction as the traffic) before cutting right to go down to the crypts. The more direct path was reserved for summer, when the leaves on the trees would block Stumpy's view and quiet things a bit. The indirect path was through the woods and we would come up to the rear of the Crypt. We reserved that for winter since the lack of foliage left us exposed.
I also remember that there were marble plaques with bas relief carvings set into the outside walls. They depicted the freeing of the slaves and some other military scenes. Inside the crypt there was another marble plaque of a Navy ship. I don't remember the name of the ship. I Googled "USS Remey" and I found a US Destroyer by that name but it was named after a different Remey (George C Remey rather than Charles Remey of the Crypts).
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 01, 2010 07:47AM
Kardinal Wrote:
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> I think the fact that after so many have posted
> here without a mention of anything beyond the
> first five rooms indicates that it's likely that's
> all there is.
>
> So, Sculler, what's the status of the plans to
> slip through the vents to try to get down there
> again? :)
Well, with Old Man Winter pretty much out of the picture, I'm thinking this weekend looks promising. With the warmer temperatures throughout this week I'm thinking most of the snow will be gone, yet it'll still be too cold for ticks (I hate those little bastards!). I don't have access to any kind of video camera, so I plan to arm myself with a flashlight to take a look down the vents if I can and a rope with something tied to the end to try and get an idea of how far down they go. I'm pretty excited about finally seeing the site, and hopefully no one from the church will be too concerned about me being there, as was discussed earlier. As I've said before, I don't have a digital camera, but I will let you know my take on what I find.
Hip, according to what you said in the early days of this thread, if I'm standing in front of the tower and turn to my right I would be looking at where the entrance would have been. However, using all the information you've posted since then (as well as looking at Bing's bird's eye view and Historicaerials), it looks as if the tower was at the very southeastern end of the Cruciforn Enclosure (in front of the bench), therefore I would need to turn 180 degrees and walk about 100-150 feet to find myself at what was the entrance to the Crypts. What are your thoughts on this, do I have it right?
Something else I found interesting while comparing and contrasting pictures of the present and past, if you look at the first picture of the entrance that was posted on this thread (the "91 picture") and then compare it to the picture from the 1956 break-in, you really get an idea of just how much dirt that they threw on top of this thing. Take a look at the guy from 1956 inspecting the hole in the wall and then look at the "91 picture", and you'll see that it's more than just a few feet of dirt that we're dealing with.
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> I think the fact that after so many have posted
> here without a mention of anything beyond the
> first five rooms indicates that it's likely that's
> all there is.
>
> So, Sculler, what's the status of the plans to
> slip through the vents to try to get down there
> again? :)
Well, with Old Man Winter pretty much out of the picture, I'm thinking this weekend looks promising. With the warmer temperatures throughout this week I'm thinking most of the snow will be gone, yet it'll still be too cold for ticks (I hate those little bastards!). I don't have access to any kind of video camera, so I plan to arm myself with a flashlight to take a look down the vents if I can and a rope with something tied to the end to try and get an idea of how far down they go. I'm pretty excited about finally seeing the site, and hopefully no one from the church will be too concerned about me being there, as was discussed earlier. As I've said before, I don't have a digital camera, but I will let you know my take on what I find.
Hip, according to what you said in the early days of this thread, if I'm standing in front of the tower and turn to my right I would be looking at where the entrance would have been. However, using all the information you've posted since then (as well as looking at Bing's bird's eye view and Historicaerials), it looks as if the tower was at the very southeastern end of the Cruciforn Enclosure (in front of the bench), therefore I would need to turn 180 degrees and walk about 100-150 feet to find myself at what was the entrance to the Crypts. What are your thoughts on this, do I have it right?
Something else I found interesting while comparing and contrasting pictures of the present and past, if you look at the first picture of the entrance that was posted on this thread (the "91 picture") and then compare it to the picture from the 1956 break-in, you really get an idea of just how much dirt that they threw on top of this thing. Take a look at the guy from 1956 inspecting the hole in the wall and then look at the "91 picture", and you'll see that it's more than just a few feet of dirt that we're dealing with.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Mrs. Remeys ghost
()
Date: March 01, 2010 05:21PM
I'll be waiting.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: March 01, 2010 05:23PM
Yo Sculler: you agree that the "91" picture is the same as the 1956JD (juvenile delinquent) picture? If that is the case, I was thinking the same thing about the amount of digging; hence, why we need to be 100% sure of the entrance site before any possible excavation.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
()
Date: March 01, 2010 07:04PM
I think the store across from the Church and Tomb ended up being Bozelli's. GREAT subs.
A friend of mine has been following this thread. He has pics similar to those posted. His brother-in-law used to go back in there in the late 60s/early 70. and said they blocked the main part off. I believe the quote was that it, "used to back all the way under Route 1." I don't think that is quite true, but I think there is more to it than is shown in most of the pics.
A friend of mine has been following this thread. He has pics similar to those posted. His brother-in-law used to go back in there in the late 60s/early 70. and said they blocked the main part off. I believe the quote was that it, "used to back all the way under Route 1." I don't think that is quite true, but I think there is more to it than is shown in most of the pics.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Fuzz, The
()
Date: March 01, 2010 07:33PM
Mrs. Remeys ghost Wrote:
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> I'll be waiting.
Me too
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> I'll be waiting.
Me too
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Huntington
()
Date: March 01, 2010 10:57PM
This is one of the most interesting topics I have ever followed. I never heard of it before FFXU, but love what has been "dug up". I was raised in the area but am/ was too young to have known about this before now. When i was a teenager, the place at Rt 1 and Pohick had an OLD building that was, at the time (early 90's) an "antique store/ flea shop". Dump of a place, but looking back what a different time, those old farmhouses and country buildings that I barely remember. On the Pagan note, would they have been patrons of Hillbilly Heaven or Bar- J's? I used to date a guy that lived off Rt. 1 and he worked at Booth Feeds (on Rt. 1) and we'd get food at Bar J's (the one on Rt. 1, not in the shopping center)
Hillbilly Heaven
Posted by:
GMU Hokie
()
Date: March 02, 2010 06:37AM
The guy who owned Hillbilly Heaven was the father-in-law of Dan Ackroyd.
I don't know if he is still alive.
I don't know if he is still alive.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 02, 2010 07:56AM
DiamondD-REK Wrote:
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> Yo Sculler: you agree that the "91" picture is the
> same as the 1956JD (juvenile delinquent) picture?
> If that is the case, I was thinking the same
> thing about the amount of digging; hence, why we
> need to be 100% sure of the entrance site before
> any possible excavation.
I am 99.9999999999999999999999% sure that those are the same entrances. I apologize that I'm not computer-savy enough to paste the two images beside eachother, but if you take a look at the 2 sculptures above the entrance-way you'll see that they're identical. Also, the dimentions match up as well.
From what others have posted, what had once been the location of the entrance is now a large mound of dirt, which I'm thinking should be somewhat easy to spot in the middle of the woods.
So, taking into account that you've got the additional mound of dirt above ground, then the approximate 8-10 feet down to the TOP of the entrance, we're talking about ALOT of digging. Honestly, the time and manpower it would take to dig down to it is very possible, but I don't see how it's do-able without attracting some attention. Short of some serious ninja-style exacavation, someone's gonna catch wind of what you're doing out there. I plan on taking a look around and trying to get a solid location of the entrance, but I don't plan on doing any digging on my first trip out there.
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> Yo Sculler: you agree that the "91" picture is the
> same as the 1956JD (juvenile delinquent) picture?
> If that is the case, I was thinking the same
> thing about the amount of digging; hence, why we
> need to be 100% sure of the entrance site before
> any possible excavation.
I am 99.9999999999999999999999% sure that those are the same entrances. I apologize that I'm not computer-savy enough to paste the two images beside eachother, but if you take a look at the 2 sculptures above the entrance-way you'll see that they're identical. Also, the dimentions match up as well.
From what others have posted, what had once been the location of the entrance is now a large mound of dirt, which I'm thinking should be somewhat easy to spot in the middle of the woods.
So, taking into account that you've got the additional mound of dirt above ground, then the approximate 8-10 feet down to the TOP of the entrance, we're talking about ALOT of digging. Honestly, the time and manpower it would take to dig down to it is very possible, but I don't see how it's do-able without attracting some attention. Short of some serious ninja-style exacavation, someone's gonna catch wind of what you're doing out there. I plan on taking a look around and trying to get a solid location of the entrance, but I don't plan on doing any digging on my first trip out there.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: March 02, 2010 08:57AM
I remember that store at the corner of Rt 1 and Pohick Rd, it was gone before I ever knew about the crypts. When I visited in the early 90's we would park in the church parking lot and walk on the path around the graveyard behind the church and then just make our way through the woods to the site. We really didn't know if we had found the crypts or not since all the stories we had heard from our friends older sister formed a picture that did not include a large mound of dirt covering everything. I had forgotten all about the crypts for a couple of years and then one day remembered that we never figured out if what we found in the woods was the Remeum. I started searching for info and that's when I realized that we had indeeed found them but that we never found a way in. I would love to be able to get in there just once and take a look around, maybe that will happen some day soon.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
gps
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Date: March 02, 2010 09:12AM
get the gps coordinates
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
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Date: March 02, 2010 01:17PM
from 1960:
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: March 02, 2010 02:07PM
Holy shit, Dude! That picture's badass! Screw Historicaerials! Awesome find, thanks a ton!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: March 02, 2010 06:21PM
can anyone copy the historial aerial shot from '62 and, using paint/another program put to a big red circle on the entrance? 1psatmar6 That'd be great for me, since the varying accounts of the place on this thread leave me in a quandary.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: March 02, 2010 06:28PM
I didn't see that this thread had moved on to a THIRD(!) page so i hadn't seen sculler's reply or the new photo. With that being said...
1: Can anyone identify on the most recent picture where the entrance is?
2: I'll be there this saturday around 1 (sunny, 51 degrees!)
3: Remeum pronunciation... is that rem-e-um or ree-mi-um?
1: Can anyone identify on the most recent picture where the entrance is?
2: I'll be there this saturday around 1 (sunny, 51 degrees!)
3: Remeum pronunciation... is that rem-e-um or ree-mi-um?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
()
Date: March 02, 2010 07:00PM
I'm going to try to pick some points tonight and make a KMZ. I'll try to post that and then it will be referenced in Google Earth. That is if I can type quiet enough to not awake the baby...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: March 02, 2010 08:51PM
jgr007, great picture! Are there any other years available? Can you post any of the other pictures you mentioned?
I agree that the "91" picture is the same as the 1956JD picture. I marked where I think the entrance ("91") was with a 1 and where I think the brick monument is with a 2.
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I agree that the "91" picture is the same as the 1956JD picture. I marked where I think the entrance ("91") was with a 1 and where I think the brick monument is with a 2.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
()
Date: March 02, 2010 09:14PM
Here's a screen grab in Google Earth. I'm trying to get a KMZ, but I'm not quite figuring it out yet.
I'll probably just post a zip file with instructions on how to use.
The pics I mentioned are not mine, but I think my friend may scan and send.
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I'll probably just post a zip file with instructions on how to use.
The pics I mentioned are not mine, but I think my friend may scan and send.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
()
Date: March 02, 2010 09:21PM
OK. Let's see if this works:
1. Download attached zip file.
2. Unzip on your computer somewhere.
3. Open doc.kml with Google Earth and hopefully you'll be able to explore
It's not registered quite right, but it should be close enough to get an idea of where it was plus pull coordinates.
I also want to tie down the plan images to the image from 60 just for fun to see what that looks like. Maybe tomorrow...
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1. Download attached zip file.
2. Unzip on your computer somewhere.
3. Open doc.kml with Google Earth and hopefully you'll be able to explore
It's not registered quite right, but it should be close enough to get an idea of where it was plus pull coordinates.
I also want to tie down the plan images to the image from 60 just for fun to see what that looks like. Maybe tomorrow...
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 03, 2010 07:09AM
Hip Wrote:
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> jgr007, great picture! Are there any other years
> available? Can you post any of the other pictures
> you mentioned?
>
> I agree that the "91" picture is the same as the
> 1956JD picture. I marked where I think the
> entrance ("91") was with a 1 and where I think the
> brick monument is with a 2.
Hip, I agree with you 100% on #1 being the entrance, but I think that the brick monument (you mean the tower, right?) is located at the "G????R Memorial" at the exact opposite end of the complex in front of the bench, as I'm using the plans you posted as a reference.
If you look at jgr007's picture, you'll see that long shadow cast by the sun at the "G????R Memorial" (I can't read the handwriting on the plans), I believe that is the existing brick memorial/tower. Do you think that that is where #2 should be?
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"jr","JR/Gravis/RV",(who ever you are),
Please, son, do us all a favor and put down the tube of modeling glue and get back to your homework.
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> jgr007, great picture! Are there any other years
> available? Can you post any of the other pictures
> you mentioned?
>
> I agree that the "91" picture is the same as the
> 1956JD picture. I marked where I think the
> entrance ("91") was with a 1 and where I think the
> brick monument is with a 2.
Hip, I agree with you 100% on #1 being the entrance, but I think that the brick monument (you mean the tower, right?) is located at the "G????R Memorial" at the exact opposite end of the complex in front of the bench, as I'm using the plans you posted as a reference.
If you look at jgr007's picture, you'll see that long shadow cast by the sun at the "G????R Memorial" (I can't read the handwriting on the plans), I believe that is the existing brick memorial/tower. Do you think that that is where #2 should be?
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"jr","JR/Gravis/RV",(who ever you are),
Please, son, do us all a favor and put down the tube of modeling glue and get back to your homework.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
()
Date: March 03, 2010 10:37AM
Another from 1960 from an oblique angle.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
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Date: March 03, 2010 10:56AM
Here are the links to the full res images from Earth Explorer:
http://edcsns17.cr.usgs.gov/helpdocs/download.cgi?file=phoenix/aerial/6NTQ/6NTQ07021/6NTQ07021_066.tif&cachekiller=1267629760609&cb=1
http://edcsns17.cr.usgs.gov/helpdocs/download.cgi?file=phoenix/aerial/6NBL/6NBL10051/6NBL10051_105.tif&cachekiller=1267630274991&cb=1
http://edcsns17.cr.usgs.gov/helpdocs/download.cgi?file=phoenix/aerial/6NTQ/6NTQ07021/6NTQ07021_066.tif&cachekiller=1267629760609&cb=1
http://edcsns17.cr.usgs.gov/helpdocs/download.cgi?file=phoenix/aerial/6NBL/6NBL10051/6NBL10051_105.tif&cachekiller=1267630274991&cb=1
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 03, 2010 11:24AM
jgr007, Bravo, once again.
Thanks to your findings, I'm willing to bet money that the two structures at the left end of the complex that are positioned over the Crypt itself are the vents that Hip posted pictures of back on page 1 of this thread. Knowing now that there were only about 4 chambers, and also knowing where the entrance is according to the pictures, those should be vents that were directly over the Crypts.
(I might be a little behind in my epiphanies, and if I'm stating the obvious I apologize. But I'm more of a visual person.)
At least now I know where the two ends of the entire complex can be found!
So, from what I can figure, if we want to find the location of what was once the entrance we'd simply need to do the following:
-Locate the vents (not difficult since we know what they look like)
-While standing at the vents, turn and face South/Southeast and look for the tower/brick memorial (shouldn't be hard from that distance, given the size/height and no leaves on the trees)
-With your back to the most Southern vent, walk approximately 45 feet straight torward the tower/brick memorial. (I got the distance from the "Survey Tools" on Historicaerials while viewing the 1962 image. On that image, the vents are merely white smugges, back you can make them out.)
And that should be the location of the entrance, about 15 feet straight down.
Then again, all my theories are based on the fact that I've never been there. But on the other hand, I VERY confident in the intel. that I'm using (thanks to all!)
Thanks to your findings, I'm willing to bet money that the two structures at the left end of the complex that are positioned over the Crypt itself are the vents that Hip posted pictures of back on page 1 of this thread. Knowing now that there were only about 4 chambers, and also knowing where the entrance is according to the pictures, those should be vents that were directly over the Crypts.
(I might be a little behind in my epiphanies, and if I'm stating the obvious I apologize. But I'm more of a visual person.)
At least now I know where the two ends of the entire complex can be found!
So, from what I can figure, if we want to find the location of what was once the entrance we'd simply need to do the following:
-Locate the vents (not difficult since we know what they look like)
-While standing at the vents, turn and face South/Southeast and look for the tower/brick memorial (shouldn't be hard from that distance, given the size/height and no leaves on the trees)
-With your back to the most Southern vent, walk approximately 45 feet straight torward the tower/brick memorial. (I got the distance from the "Survey Tools" on Historicaerials while viewing the 1962 image. On that image, the vents are merely white smugges, back you can make them out.)
And that should be the location of the entrance, about 15 feet straight down.
Then again, all my theories are based on the fact that I've never been there. But on the other hand, I VERY confident in the intel. that I'm using (thanks to all!)
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: March 03, 2010 06:37PM
Sculler,
I'm having a hard time reconciling my memories of the layout, the outside pictures on page 1, Remey's general plan, and the overhead pictures.
First, it looks like there's nothing behind the entrance marked with a 1 on a previous posting. But there's where the actual crypt was.
Second, the tower was not directly in front of the Crypt. Standing in front of the Crypt and looking away from Route 1, the brick tower/monument was not directly in front, it was off to the right. That's what I remember and why I marked it the way I did on the photo. I also based it on Remey's plan but the pictures are hard to deny.
Third, where is the structure shown in the first picture on page 1? I don't see how that fits into the overhead picture.
In the overhead picture it looks like there is still construction going on.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2010 07:08PM by Hip.
I'm having a hard time reconciling my memories of the layout, the outside pictures on page 1, Remey's general plan, and the overhead pictures.
First, it looks like there's nothing behind the entrance marked with a 1 on a previous posting. But there's where the actual crypt was.
Second, the tower was not directly in front of the Crypt. Standing in front of the Crypt and looking away from Route 1, the brick tower/monument was not directly in front, it was off to the right. That's what I remember and why I marked it the way I did on the photo. I also based it on Remey's plan but the pictures are hard to deny.
Third, where is the structure shown in the first picture on page 1? I don't see how that fits into the overhead picture.
In the overhead picture it looks like there is still construction going on.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2010 07:08PM by Hip.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Whobe
()
Date: March 03, 2010 08:11PM
Those 1960 pictures are a little confusing. Is that with the roof on the cryps? Then what is with the wall shadows all around on top? Was there a parapet wall all around it?
The brick tower does look like where you're saying you remember Hip, there's a tall shadow to the front right of the entrance.
And at the very opposite end, is that the tall white oblesik that is still standing at the end of the dirt mound? If so, wow, that thing must be buried at least 20 ft. and still standing maybe 40-50 ft. above the dirt now. I do remember seeing that still standing when I went in the 80's.
So, the oblesik and the vents are still standing and the other guy says it was completely caved in? I would think if they destroyed it they would have went ahead and destroyed these structures at the same time.
Still seems like all they did was bury the whole thing without tearing it down?
The brick tower does look like where you're saying you remember Hip, there's a tall shadow to the front right of the entrance.
And at the very opposite end, is that the tall white oblesik that is still standing at the end of the dirt mound? If so, wow, that thing must be buried at least 20 ft. and still standing maybe 40-50 ft. above the dirt now. I do remember seeing that still standing when I went in the 80's.
So, the oblesik and the vents are still standing and the other guy says it was completely caved in? I would think if they destroyed it they would have went ahead and destroyed these structures at the same time.
Still seems like all they did was bury the whole thing without tearing it down?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: March 04, 2010 01:53AM
sculler: I was having dinner this evening with a friend (the only person to whom i've mentioned the crypts). We had printouts of the pictures from this thread, and eventually reached some conclusions, most of them align with yours.
To all:
(When I refer to "Remey west" or "Rwest", I am referencing a compass rose if it were to be placed on the blueprints. For instance, the westernmost portion of the Remeum would be the circular enclosure (disregarding the bench)...See Hip's post from Feb. 23, at 7:54pm, with the photoshopped rendering of the planned Remeum.)
1. Based on the photos, the shadow cast by the structure in the circular enclosure on Rwest indicates that that is the still standing spire/obelisk. On the blueprints, that is labelled "GCR/MJMR memorial". Also, on the spire close up pictures from 1/18/10 from Jimbo, you see the plaques have the names George Collier Remey and Mary Josephine Mason Remey. Intials? Definitely. That is the still standing spire.
2. The first in a series of five photos from Hip's post on 2/20/10 at 10:01pm shows a man standing near a recessed wall with the name William Butler Remey engraved on the top of the wall. That looks to me like part of the Rnorthern wall of the cruciform enclosure. Again, blueprint initials match up: "WBR"
3. I agree that the (currently) still standing air vents are those located on Reast, covering the two unmarked squares in the blueprints (assuming the five-room theory). Rwesternmost vent is above the small space directly Reast of the entrance chamber; the second vent is located in the small space that is Rwest of the "planned" rotunda. (I hope that everyone understands my R-direction method, and can reference the planned Remeum)
4. If is true that the air vents and the spire are in line, and that the vents associate with the planned spaces in the blueprints, trianguling the position of the entrance (91 photo/1956JD) should be easy, especially if we are certain the vents are above the rooms in (3).
5. Assuming that all of the above information is true, it seems we do have a location of the entrance; hence, we have a digging point.
(By the way, this is all under the assumption that the "Remeum is still there with a shitload of dirt on top" theory... which I honestly believe is true)
To all:
(When I refer to "Remey west" or "Rwest", I am referencing a compass rose if it were to be placed on the blueprints. For instance, the westernmost portion of the Remeum would be the circular enclosure (disregarding the bench)...See Hip's post from Feb. 23, at 7:54pm, with the photoshopped rendering of the planned Remeum.)
1. Based on the photos, the shadow cast by the structure in the circular enclosure on Rwest indicates that that is the still standing spire/obelisk. On the blueprints, that is labelled "GCR/MJMR memorial". Also, on the spire close up pictures from 1/18/10 from Jimbo, you see the plaques have the names George Collier Remey and Mary Josephine Mason Remey. Intials? Definitely. That is the still standing spire.
2. The first in a series of five photos from Hip's post on 2/20/10 at 10:01pm shows a man standing near a recessed wall with the name William Butler Remey engraved on the top of the wall. That looks to me like part of the Rnorthern wall of the cruciform enclosure. Again, blueprint initials match up: "WBR"
3. I agree that the (currently) still standing air vents are those located on Reast, covering the two unmarked squares in the blueprints (assuming the five-room theory). Rwesternmost vent is above the small space directly Reast of the entrance chamber; the second vent is located in the small space that is Rwest of the "planned" rotunda. (I hope that everyone understands my R-direction method, and can reference the planned Remeum)
4. If is true that the air vents and the spire are in line, and that the vents associate with the planned spaces in the blueprints, trianguling the position of the entrance (91 photo/1956JD) should be easy, especially if we are certain the vents are above the rooms in (3).
5. Assuming that all of the above information is true, it seems we do have a location of the entrance; hence, we have a digging point.
(By the way, this is all under the assumption that the "Remeum is still there with a shitload of dirt on top" theory... which I honestly believe is true)
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 04, 2010 08:09AM
Hip,
You have in indeed actually been to the site before and after it's demise, therefore I believe you over my own theories based on what I've seen from photos.
I was just so sure that the long, thin shadow cast in the photo was that of the obelisk at Rwest (that does help, Diamond). If you say that I'm incorrect and that it is not in line with the two vents above the Crypts, then I'll believe you as you have first hand knowledge of this. Seeing as it's pretty tall, and it's a quality picture, I just don't see it off to the right, where your #2 is.
Based on the layout of everything above ground (as well as alot of the stuff underground that was never constructed), Remey seemed to be a big fan of symmetry. Therefore it made sense to me that a grand structure such as the obelisk would be at the top end of the CROSS (again, with the symmetry).
Even if the obelisk is off to the right when you have your back to the Rwesternmost vent, I'm still convinced that the vents are in line with the length of the entrace chamber. So if you walk the 45 feet from that point, I still think you'll be standing on top of the entrance. Do you agree with my theory about the vents being in line with the length of the entrance chamber?
I'm also glad that you brought up the point about the picture on page 1 (I assume you're talking about the VERY FIRST image on this thread, posted by Cary on Dec. 18 at 8:47, right?). If so, I'm assuming that that large wall structure is actually what you labelled as #1 in your photo. Therefore, I'm thinking that the entrance to the Crypts with the lions in front is just behind that.
Whobe,
I agree whole-heartedly that if someone is going to demolish an underground chamber, they most likely wouldn't bother to leave the ceiling and vents. It wouldn't make much sense....and it gives me hope.
That's why I'm planning on packing a flashlight and some rope with something tied to the end of it. I'm hoping they didn't get too creative with the vent shafts, and that they just go straight down, allowing me to get an idea of the kind of depth we're dealing with.
You have in indeed actually been to the site before and after it's demise, therefore I believe you over my own theories based on what I've seen from photos.
I was just so sure that the long, thin shadow cast in the photo was that of the obelisk at Rwest (that does help, Diamond). If you say that I'm incorrect and that it is not in line with the two vents above the Crypts, then I'll believe you as you have first hand knowledge of this. Seeing as it's pretty tall, and it's a quality picture, I just don't see it off to the right, where your #2 is.
Based on the layout of everything above ground (as well as alot of the stuff underground that was never constructed), Remey seemed to be a big fan of symmetry. Therefore it made sense to me that a grand structure such as the obelisk would be at the top end of the CROSS (again, with the symmetry).
Even if the obelisk is off to the right when you have your back to the Rwesternmost vent, I'm still convinced that the vents are in line with the length of the entrace chamber. So if you walk the 45 feet from that point, I still think you'll be standing on top of the entrance. Do you agree with my theory about the vents being in line with the length of the entrance chamber?
I'm also glad that you brought up the point about the picture on page 1 (I assume you're talking about the VERY FIRST image on this thread, posted by Cary on Dec. 18 at 8:47, right?). If so, I'm assuming that that large wall structure is actually what you labelled as #1 in your photo. Therefore, I'm thinking that the entrance to the Crypts with the lions in front is just behind that.
Whobe,
I agree whole-heartedly that if someone is going to demolish an underground chamber, they most likely wouldn't bother to leave the ceiling and vents. It wouldn't make much sense....and it gives me hope.
That's why I'm planning on packing a flashlight and some rope with something tied to the end of it. I'm hoping they didn't get too creative with the vent shafts, and that they just go straight down, allowing me to get an idea of the kind of depth we're dealing with.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
()
Date: March 04, 2010 08:55AM
The obelisk is in the center of the round part at the very southern end of the crypt. Look at the pics below. One is from the current Google Earth, the other form the USGS 1960 photo. The shadows match.
I think the vents, entrance and obelisk are in a straight line. It should be about 320 feet from the vent closest to the obelisk to the obelisk. The entrance should be about 50 feet from that obelisk along the line.
If you look at the Google Earth zip I posted above you should be able to do some measurements and get approximate coordinates. Unfortunately the GE overlay is not well registered (there is about a 30 foot different in the positions of the obelisk between the overlay and the current Google Earth image).
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I think the vents, entrance and obelisk are in a straight line. It should be about 320 feet from the vent closest to the obelisk to the obelisk. The entrance should be about 50 feet from that obelisk along the line.
If you look at the Google Earth zip I posted above you should be able to do some measurements and get approximate coordinates. Unfortunately the GE overlay is not well registered (there is about a 30 foot different in the positions of the obelisk between the overlay and the current Google Earth image).
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
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Date: March 04, 2010 08:57AM
Ooops...the entrance should be about 50 feet from the vent nearest the obelisk along the line between the obelisk and vents. My message above is unclear.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
kdub
()
Date: March 04, 2010 09:22AM
I've been doing some research on the early days of the Pagans and the story about the Pagans and Hells Angels rumbling at the tombs probably isn't true. The Pagans may have partied there, but the Hells Angels didn't arrive in the area until the nineties. It may have been Fates Assembly or an indie gang. The Pagans definitely had a presence in the Lorton area at the time. I'm doing some digging to see if I can find anything.
http://ourredneckpast.blogspot.com/
http://ourredneckpast.blogspot.com/
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 04, 2010 10:51AM
jgr007, thanks for the great compare/contrast with the labels. It just makes so much more sense that everything is in line down the center of the cross, as Remey seemed like he was so hung up on symmetry on all the plans that have been posted.
I'm really looking forward to actually getting out there and standing in the middle of everything.
kdub, an interesting look into the Redneckedness of our area.
I'm really looking forward to actually getting out there and standing in the middle of everything.
kdub, an interesting look into the Redneckedness of our area.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
()
Date: March 04, 2010 08:46PM
I tied down the 1960 image better to Google Earth and then tied down two of the plan images from underground just for grins. I'll post all three zips shortly.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
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Date: March 04, 2010 08:49PM
Bad image above. Hopefully this one works...
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
()
Date: March 04, 2010 09:43PM
Here's a better grab of the 1960 image cut out plus the under ground portion from the plans. I'll post the zips with kmls in a bit.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
()
Date: March 04, 2010 09:46PM
Here are zips with the two KMLs from above. Let me know if anyone wants anything else...
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: March 05, 2010 06:12AM
Triangulate the postions of the supposed air vents (Reast) from the photo from jgr007's 1:17 March 2, 2010 post and compare the with the blueprints. The vents are above the rooms I've labelled in the picture.
I've never been to the site first hand, but this is what I've gathered from the various accounts/archives/photos posted on the thread. The MS Paint picture gives my best guess on the location of different structures.
Due to varying accounts of the underground structure, the label "COMPLETED UNDERGROUND AREAS" only includes what the five-room thoery entails: Entrance Chamber, Remey Chapel, Mason Chapel and two rooms of tombs.
Tell me if this is generally correct.
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I've never been to the site first hand, but this is what I've gathered from the various accounts/archives/photos posted on the thread. The MS Paint picture gives my best guess on the location of different structures.
Due to varying accounts of the underground structure, the label "COMPLETED UNDERGROUND AREAS" only includes what the five-room thoery entails: Entrance Chamber, Remey Chapel, Mason Chapel and two rooms of tombs.
Tell me if this is generally correct.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: March 05, 2010 06:18AM
ahh shit, looking back on the pictures of the inside.. the underground might have been....
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: March 05, 2010 07:49AM
Once again, you guys have outdone yourselves. Not only are the images a huge help in appreciating the shear size of what was (and could've been) the Remeum, but they'll also be of great help when people go out to the site and need their bearings.
At some point this weekend, I plan on finally going to the site first hand. First thing Monday morning I'll let you know the results of the primative "depth test" that I have in mind for the vents. Depending on how sucessful it is/how the shafts of the vents were constructed/deteriation of the vents over the years, we'll hopefully have an idea of not only whether or not the interior of the chambers were filled in/demolished, but also how far down they are. And of course I also plan on testing our theories of the alignment of the obelisk and vents, as well as the approximate location and remenants of the entrance site.
I'll give you as many details as I can from what I see, but as I've said before I don't have any sort of digital camera, so sadly I won't be able to provide you with any pictures. But I will give you all the details I can.
At some point this weekend, I plan on finally going to the site first hand. First thing Monday morning I'll let you know the results of the primative "depth test" that I have in mind for the vents. Depending on how sucessful it is/how the shafts of the vents were constructed/deteriation of the vents over the years, we'll hopefully have an idea of not only whether or not the interior of the chambers were filled in/demolished, but also how far down they are. And of course I also plan on testing our theories of the alignment of the obelisk and vents, as well as the approximate location and remenants of the entrance site.
I'll give you as many details as I can from what I see, but as I've said before I don't have any sort of digital camera, so sadly I won't be able to provide you with any pictures. But I will give you all the details I can.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Woodland Res
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Date: March 05, 2010 11:25AM
Sculler, you NEED to buy a throwaway camera at least then...and I will pay to have them uploaded at the store if need be haha. This thread has gotten me so interested, I NEED to see pictures!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: March 05, 2010 12:15PM
That is a good suggestion. However, once I got the throw away camera, I'd have no idea on how to put the pictures I'd have taken on the site. As much fun as this thread has been, it has been frustrating not being able to contribute/scan images like everyone else because I'm really not that good with computers.
I'll tell you what, if I see anything new that has not already been posted (I think Hip has cornered the market on anything existing out there that's worth taking a picture of) I will research getting images of what I see posted on this thread.
As far as current pictures of the site are concerned, the only image we really don't have is the location of the entrance (with the exception of the picture that Hip posted on Jan. 20 at 7:51, but from his description I don't think that's the definate location, merely the general direction). I will provide the best details I can on the description of the entrance on Monday, as well as anything else I see out there.
Speaking of "anything else I see out there", while zooming in on Google satellite images of the area, there looks to be piles of brick/rubble to the "Remeyeast". I'll look this weekend first hand to see if that's the case.
I'll tell you what, if I see anything new that has not already been posted (I think Hip has cornered the market on anything existing out there that's worth taking a picture of) I will research getting images of what I see posted on this thread.
As far as current pictures of the site are concerned, the only image we really don't have is the location of the entrance (with the exception of the picture that Hip posted on Jan. 20 at 7:51, but from his description I don't think that's the definate location, merely the general direction). I will provide the best details I can on the description of the entrance on Monday, as well as anything else I see out there.
Speaking of "anything else I see out there", while zooming in on Google satellite images of the area, there looks to be piles of brick/rubble to the "Remeyeast". I'll look this weekend first hand to see if that's the case.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
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Date: March 05, 2010 01:07PM
Here are the locations of the two entrances. The "91" entrance is inside the courtyard area. That is the entrance to underground. The other entrance is the entrance to the courtyard.
Start at the vent closest to the obelisk. Go about 50 feet towards the obelisk and the "91" should be there.
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Start at the vent closest to the obelisk. Go about 50 feet towards the obelisk and the "91" should be there.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: March 05, 2010 01:46PM
I have to say, that is indeed THE LAYOUT. That's about as clear as it's gonna get.
I can't remember how far back in the thread it was, but I believe a couple people that had been to the Crypts back in the day have said that what was the "91" entrance is now a large mound of dirt. So, knowing the exact direction I need to go once I'm at the "Remeywesternest" vent, I'm hoping the large mound will still be there and also be pretty easy to spot.
I can't remember how far back in the thread it was, but I believe a couple people that had been to the Crypts back in the day have said that what was the "91" entrance is now a large mound of dirt. So, knowing the exact direction I need to go once I'm at the "Remeywesternest" vent, I'm hoping the large mound will still be there and also be pretty easy to spot.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Whobe
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Date: March 05, 2010 09:15PM
Now it's making more sense. I didn't realize the picture from the 60's only showed an above ground part? Maybe that's what they tore down and only piled dirt on the rest?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
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Date: March 05, 2010 09:23PM
Excellent. I'll have pics and an story monday as well.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: March 06, 2010 03:28PM
Screw Monday, I couldn't wait.
I just got back from the site, and I guess I'll start from the beginning...
The best way to get there is to park in the church parking lot, and then walk to the field Southeast of the cemetary. At the edge of the field you'll find some kind of pellet gun target course, with posts labelled 1 and 2 at the edge of it. Walk between these two posts into the woods, and walk up the edge of the 40 foot hill.
So now that you're at the top of the "plateau", if you look to your left you'll find the obelisk. What I found interesting about the obelisk is that the remenants of the brick semi-circle that surrounded it are still there, and you get an idea of the original "level" that the site had due to the fact that you can see the concrete pad the obelisk was mounted on through the leaves on the ground.
Walking Remeyeast, in the direction of the vents, I had to walk up another 6 feet to the very top of the "plateua". This additional 6 feet must be the work of the demo-team back in the early 80's. The top of the plateau is grassy, with plenty of nasty, red thorn bushes, but they were still matted to the ground thanks to all the recent snow.
I continued walking, and located the vents. The good news - our theory of the vents being in line with the obelisk are correct. The bad news - my "depth experiment" that I conducted on the vents by lowering a 5lb weight down all 3 flu pipes proved that they are all stopped up with brick shards and beer cans. I was only able to conduct the experiment on the Remeyeasternest vent, as the other was still too much in tact and I couldn't reach the flu-pipes (see Hip's earliest photos of the vents to see the hole in the side of the one I was at.)
A little dissappointed, I walked Remeywest from the vents approximately 40 feet in search of where the entrance location had been.
This is where it got interesting.
SOMEONE'S BEEN VERY BUSY...
Once I got about 40 feet from the vent, still in line with the obelisk, I found a hole. A BIG hole. This thing was about 4 feet in diameter, and 8 to 9 feet deep. The weird part: all the dirt that came out of this hole was nowhere to be found. Whoever dug this hole managed to take the dirt somewhere, and from the size of the hole there was ALOT of it. I couldn't help myself, so I climbed down in the hole, and there at the bottom was the top of a brick wall the someone had uncovered about 15 courses of. I'm pretty sure it was the top of a brick wall because there was a large slab of concrete on the top of the brick (which I used for footing to get out of the hole.) Now, the top of the brick wall at the bottom of the hole was at the RemeyWEST side of the bottom of the hole. But needless to say, whoever dug the hole used our predicted distances and proved that we may not have been far off at all in our calculations!
It also proves that when they demoed the structure, they may have done more burying than actual demolition. Walking down the edges of the plateau, there were plenty of pieces of brick as well as large chunks of concrete, so I don't think they were that concerned about clean-up.
Also, I didn't see any "No Trespassing" signs. And due to the fact that the Remeum is so high off the forest floor (which I wasn't expecting at all!) whoever dug this hole (and continues to dig it, if they are so inclined) has little to worry about along the lines of being caught.
But back to the hole, whoever dug it knew what they were looking for judging by the location. And they got lucky! From what I saw, I don't know that it's the top of the "91" wall, given the side of the hole that it was on, but it very well could be, they may just be on the other side of it.
Bottomline: it was a very fascinating day, especially finding the hole.
A tip of the hat to whomever put in all that work, and that must have been ALOT of work!
Are there intentions to continue digging?
I just got back from the site, and I guess I'll start from the beginning...
The best way to get there is to park in the church parking lot, and then walk to the field Southeast of the cemetary. At the edge of the field you'll find some kind of pellet gun target course, with posts labelled 1 and 2 at the edge of it. Walk between these two posts into the woods, and walk up the edge of the 40 foot hill.
So now that you're at the top of the "plateau", if you look to your left you'll find the obelisk. What I found interesting about the obelisk is that the remenants of the brick semi-circle that surrounded it are still there, and you get an idea of the original "level" that the site had due to the fact that you can see the concrete pad the obelisk was mounted on through the leaves on the ground.
Walking Remeyeast, in the direction of the vents, I had to walk up another 6 feet to the very top of the "plateua". This additional 6 feet must be the work of the demo-team back in the early 80's. The top of the plateau is grassy, with plenty of nasty, red thorn bushes, but they were still matted to the ground thanks to all the recent snow.
I continued walking, and located the vents. The good news - our theory of the vents being in line with the obelisk are correct. The bad news - my "depth experiment" that I conducted on the vents by lowering a 5lb weight down all 3 flu pipes proved that they are all stopped up with brick shards and beer cans. I was only able to conduct the experiment on the Remeyeasternest vent, as the other was still too much in tact and I couldn't reach the flu-pipes (see Hip's earliest photos of the vents to see the hole in the side of the one I was at.)
A little dissappointed, I walked Remeywest from the vents approximately 40 feet in search of where the entrance location had been.
This is where it got interesting.
SOMEONE'S BEEN VERY BUSY...
Once I got about 40 feet from the vent, still in line with the obelisk, I found a hole. A BIG hole. This thing was about 4 feet in diameter, and 8 to 9 feet deep. The weird part: all the dirt that came out of this hole was nowhere to be found. Whoever dug this hole managed to take the dirt somewhere, and from the size of the hole there was ALOT of it. I couldn't help myself, so I climbed down in the hole, and there at the bottom was the top of a brick wall the someone had uncovered about 15 courses of. I'm pretty sure it was the top of a brick wall because there was a large slab of concrete on the top of the brick (which I used for footing to get out of the hole.) Now, the top of the brick wall at the bottom of the hole was at the RemeyWEST side of the bottom of the hole. But needless to say, whoever dug the hole used our predicted distances and proved that we may not have been far off at all in our calculations!
It also proves that when they demoed the structure, they may have done more burying than actual demolition. Walking down the edges of the plateau, there were plenty of pieces of brick as well as large chunks of concrete, so I don't think they were that concerned about clean-up.
Also, I didn't see any "No Trespassing" signs. And due to the fact that the Remeum is so high off the forest floor (which I wasn't expecting at all!) whoever dug this hole (and continues to dig it, if they are so inclined) has little to worry about along the lines of being caught.
But back to the hole, whoever dug it knew what they were looking for judging by the location. And they got lucky! From what I saw, I don't know that it's the top of the "91" wall, given the side of the hole that it was on, but it very well could be, they may just be on the other side of it.
Bottomline: it was a very fascinating day, especially finding the hole.
A tip of the hat to whomever put in all that work, and that must have been ALOT of work!
Are there intentions to continue digging?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Spacy
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Date: March 06, 2010 04:00PM
It just can't be legal to be performing this excavation. Merely walking around until being asked to leave by the property owner ought to be okay, as far as trespassing is concerned. But I hope people don't get into trouble or arrested for going actually digging! That seems pretty dicey.
It might be better to secure permission from the property owner for doing these surveys. I don't think anyone would like to recreate the old trespassing and nuisance problems and get all kinds of people (the church, the police, the neighbors, the media, etc.) all upset. A historical survey and documentation would be interesting to the right people.
If you are afraid you can't get permission, can't you just look, and not vandalize the site?
I fear that the way this is going to end is that the site will be posted No Trespassing, it will be patrolled, there will be crime and liability boogeyman concerns, and nobody will ever get to visit it again, and it might be more thoroughly demolished. And we'll be reading about people being arrested, tried, and put in jail for some poor judgment about what could have simply been fun. You're not 17, and this isn't the laid-back 1970s.
I am sure that given FXUs visibility with the police and media that the authorities are going to get involved. They're reading this thread, you know.
It would be a shame to lose this whole interesting thing.
Maybe the active people should get together IRL and try to organize this in a way that will work out better? I'll help.
Edited 11 time(s). Last edit at 03/06/2010 04:18PM by Spacy.
It might be better to secure permission from the property owner for doing these surveys. I don't think anyone would like to recreate the old trespassing and nuisance problems and get all kinds of people (the church, the police, the neighbors, the media, etc.) all upset. A historical survey and documentation would be interesting to the right people.
If you are afraid you can't get permission, can't you just look, and not vandalize the site?
I fear that the way this is going to end is that the site will be posted No Trespassing, it will be patrolled, there will be crime and liability boogeyman concerns, and nobody will ever get to visit it again, and it might be more thoroughly demolished. And we'll be reading about people being arrested, tried, and put in jail for some poor judgment about what could have simply been fun. You're not 17, and this isn't the laid-back 1970s.
I am sure that given FXUs visibility with the police and media that the authorities are going to get involved. They're reading this thread, you know.
It would be a shame to lose this whole interesting thing.
Maybe the active people should get together IRL and try to organize this in a way that will work out better? I'll help.
Edited 11 time(s). Last edit at 03/06/2010 04:18PM by Spacy.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: March 06, 2010 05:33PM
I just got back from the site. I saw everything sculler mentioned plus a few other noteworthy things... I've got things to do tonight, but i'll post a more thorough breakdown tomorrow, along with PICTURES.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
super curious
()
Date: March 06, 2010 06:26PM
I've been following this thread with great interest, mainly because I grew up in Burke/Crosspointe and NEVER knew of this place (neither did my parents, who moved here in the early 70s).
I read somewhere that there was once a bench - is it still there (or in the area?).
Who technically owns the land that the Remeum is on? FXCO, Pohick Church, private? If it's FXCO, as Spacy says, there may be people who would be interested in historically documenting the site (or at least they can give permission).
I can't wait to see pictures!
I read somewhere that there was once a bench - is it still there (or in the area?).
Who technically owns the land that the Remeum is on? FXCO, Pohick Church, private? If it's FXCO, as Spacy says, there may be people who would be interested in historically documenting the site (or at least they can give permission).
I can't wait to see pictures!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Scott
()
Date: March 06, 2010 11:00PM
I've lived just about my whole life in FFX CO and never knew about the crypt until reading this thread. Very interesting indeed. I also went to Lake Braddock from 1976-1982, and Jimbo, you look very familiar.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: March 07, 2010 08:16AM
I was also at the sight yesterday and found the exact same things as Sculler mentioned. I took some pictures and climbed down in the hole that was found. We were wondering the same thing as to where all the dirt went. I did notice that the cement cap that was mentioned at the bottom of the hole appeared to actually be two pieces. One piece was pushed back about 2 inches from the other one, that would make me thing the 91 entrance was capped with two equal sized cement caps and whoever dug this found the dead center of the top of the 91 entrance wall, maybe just the wrong side of it. I also walked the route from the churck parking lot and about half way up the hill I found a 4" square cement block, sticking up out of the ground maybe a foot, and on the top of it was a circular marker that said CMR 1937. I only saw one yesterday but I remember finding more of them in a semi-circle going around behind the obelisk. I would bet they go all the way around the whole structure but most of them were probably buried. If you stand in front of the obelisk and look towards the vents it is amazing how much dirt they piled on top of this thing.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
spell check
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Date: March 07, 2010 12:37PM
Spacy Wrote:
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> It just can't be legal to be performing this
> excavation. Merely walking around until being
> asked to leave by the property owner ought to be
> okay, as far as trespassing is concerned. But I
> hope people don't get into trouble or arrested for
> going actually digging! That seems pretty dicey.
>
> It might be better to secure permission from the
> property owner for doing these surveys. I don't
> think anyone would like to recreate the old
> trespassing and nuisance problems and get all
> kinds of people (the church, the police, the
> neighbors, the media, etc.) all upset. A
> historical survey and documentation would be
> interesting to the right people.
>
> If you are afraid you can't get permission, can't
> you just look, and not vandalize the site?
>
> I fear that the way this is going to end is that
> the site will be posted No Trespassing, it will be
> patrolled, there will be crime and liability
> boogeyman concerns, and nobody will ever get to
> visit it again, and it might be more thoroughly
> demolished. And we'll be reading about people
> being arrested, tried, and put in jail for some
> poor judgment about what could have simply been
> fun. You're not 17, and this isn't the laid-back
> 1970s.
>
> I am sure that given FXUs visibility with the
> police and media that the authorities are going to
> get involved. They're reading this thread, you
> know.
>
> It would be a shame to lose this whole interesting
> thing.
>
> Maybe the active people should get together IRL
> and try to organize this in a way that will work
> out better? I'll help.
11 edits.. goodlord
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> It just can't be legal to be performing this
> excavation. Merely walking around until being
> asked to leave by the property owner ought to be
> okay, as far as trespassing is concerned. But I
> hope people don't get into trouble or arrested for
> going actually digging! That seems pretty dicey.
>
> It might be better to secure permission from the
> property owner for doing these surveys. I don't
> think anyone would like to recreate the old
> trespassing and nuisance problems and get all
> kinds of people (the church, the police, the
> neighbors, the media, etc.) all upset. A
> historical survey and documentation would be
> interesting to the right people.
>
> If you are afraid you can't get permission, can't
> you just look, and not vandalize the site?
>
> I fear that the way this is going to end is that
> the site will be posted No Trespassing, it will be
> patrolled, there will be crime and liability
> boogeyman concerns, and nobody will ever get to
> visit it again, and it might be more thoroughly
> demolished. And we'll be reading about people
> being arrested, tried, and put in jail for some
> poor judgment about what could have simply been
> fun. You're not 17, and this isn't the laid-back
> 1970s.
>
> I am sure that given FXUs visibility with the
> police and media that the authorities are going to
> get involved. They're reading this thread, you
> know.
>
> It would be a shame to lose this whole interesting
> thing.
>
> Maybe the active people should get together IRL
> and try to organize this in a way that will work
> out better? I'll help.
11 edits.. goodlord
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: March 07, 2010 01:03PM
My visit, with my friend “Club”….
1. THE VENTS: The vents are about 20 feet from each other, measuring from the center of each. They seem to be in line with the spire/obelisk, most likely confirming the theory that the vents and spire are the Rwest and Reast ends of the Remeum.
Note from the original pictures of the vents, they are structurally different (Sculler: this is the reason you could not test the depth of the Rwest vent). Perhaps one was intended for intake of air, the other for release of air. I don’t know much about the physics of flues, but I think that makes sense. The Rwest vent holes curve up (presumably bending back down to the underground areas), while the Reast vent has three shafts going straight down to those areas. I lit a small fire in one of the holes from the Rwest vent, and the flames shot inward (hence the intake/outtake theory). On one of four trials did we observe smoke coming from the Reast vent after lighting the fire on the Rwest vent (the other three times, most smoke was blown out of the other side of the Rwest vent). This leads me to believe that there is some sort of air circulation, but the debris (sticks, brick shards, beer cans, etc.) in the Reast vent prevent most of the air from circulating. I’m not completely sure, but after viewing the area, I’ll go back and conduct more experiments on the air circulation; which, now that I think of it, is a great indicator of whether the underground areas are still there.
Also, based on ballpark measurement, the deepest of the three shafts in the Reast vent is about 10ft, the other two between 6-8ft
2. THE HOLE: The hole goes down about 8 feet or so, and does strike a structure that seems to be intact. There are bricks and half-bricks embedded in the walls of the hole, indicating some sort of demolition. The hole is inline with the vents and the spire/obelisk. To my best knowledge (based on being there and taking eyeball measurements, and jgr007’s reconstituting of my MS Paint pic from 3/5/10, 1:07pm) the hole digs down to where the first picture on this thread shows, and not the ‘56JD/91 entrance.
There were no dirt piles near the hole. That opens up two theories: One, the hole was dug many years ago, and erosion has taken the excess dirt piles; or two, it is a sinkhole. Based on a conversation from a spelunker I know, the hole I described is a sinkhole. Despite this, how would a sinkhole randomly appear inline with the spire and vents, and happen to hit a structure? I do think someone dug the hole, but I’m not completely ruling out the sinkhole theory. Either way, be careful when going into the hole.
3: THE SPIRE/OBELISK: The only thing I can say about it that hasn’t been said is that it is near 50ft tall, not 30ft as previously estimated. I’ll post a picture here soon, with me standing against the structure. I’m ~6ft tall with boots on, and it takes about 8 of me to reach the top (again, pictures coming soon).
4: THE SURVEY MARKS: The CMR 1937 markers mentioned by BBX exist; I saw three of them on the Rwest side of the structure. Remember, from one of the first few posts, it mentions “Due to vandalism…Pohick church pressured Remey into breaking the 1937 contract”. These seem to be survey markers from that year, two years before construction began.
In addition to pictures, I’ve got some video of the area. I’ll post them on youtube or another site; I’ll keep you informed.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/07/2010 01:20PM by DiamondD-REK.
1. THE VENTS: The vents are about 20 feet from each other, measuring from the center of each. They seem to be in line with the spire/obelisk, most likely confirming the theory that the vents and spire are the Rwest and Reast ends of the Remeum.
Note from the original pictures of the vents, they are structurally different (Sculler: this is the reason you could not test the depth of the Rwest vent). Perhaps one was intended for intake of air, the other for release of air. I don’t know much about the physics of flues, but I think that makes sense. The Rwest vent holes curve up (presumably bending back down to the underground areas), while the Reast vent has three shafts going straight down to those areas. I lit a small fire in one of the holes from the Rwest vent, and the flames shot inward (hence the intake/outtake theory). On one of four trials did we observe smoke coming from the Reast vent after lighting the fire on the Rwest vent (the other three times, most smoke was blown out of the other side of the Rwest vent). This leads me to believe that there is some sort of air circulation, but the debris (sticks, brick shards, beer cans, etc.) in the Reast vent prevent most of the air from circulating. I’m not completely sure, but after viewing the area, I’ll go back and conduct more experiments on the air circulation; which, now that I think of it, is a great indicator of whether the underground areas are still there.
Also, based on ballpark measurement, the deepest of the three shafts in the Reast vent is about 10ft, the other two between 6-8ft
2. THE HOLE: The hole goes down about 8 feet or so, and does strike a structure that seems to be intact. There are bricks and half-bricks embedded in the walls of the hole, indicating some sort of demolition. The hole is inline with the vents and the spire/obelisk. To my best knowledge (based on being there and taking eyeball measurements, and jgr007’s reconstituting of my MS Paint pic from 3/5/10, 1:07pm) the hole digs down to where the first picture on this thread shows, and not the ‘56JD/91 entrance.
There were no dirt piles near the hole. That opens up two theories: One, the hole was dug many years ago, and erosion has taken the excess dirt piles; or two, it is a sinkhole. Based on a conversation from a spelunker I know, the hole I described is a sinkhole. Despite this, how would a sinkhole randomly appear inline with the spire and vents, and happen to hit a structure? I do think someone dug the hole, but I’m not completely ruling out the sinkhole theory. Either way, be careful when going into the hole.
3: THE SPIRE/OBELISK: The only thing I can say about it that hasn’t been said is that it is near 50ft tall, not 30ft as previously estimated. I’ll post a picture here soon, with me standing against the structure. I’m ~6ft tall with boots on, and it takes about 8 of me to reach the top (again, pictures coming soon).
4: THE SURVEY MARKS: The CMR 1937 markers mentioned by BBX exist; I saw three of them on the Rwest side of the structure. Remember, from one of the first few posts, it mentions “Due to vandalism…Pohick church pressured Remey into breaking the 1937 contract”. These seem to be survey markers from that year, two years before construction began.
In addition to pictures, I’ve got some video of the area. I’ll post them on youtube or another site; I’ll keep you informed.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/07/2010 01:20PM by DiamondD-REK.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
()
Date: March 07, 2010 01:20PM
How about a GPS coordinate for the hole?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
G
()
Date: March 07, 2010 01:36PM
pretty sure it's still church property so y'all are technically trespassing even if it's not posted
next post will be about someone getting caved in...
next post will be about someone getting caved in...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
wtfno
()
Date: March 07, 2010 02:12PM
MrDoctor Wrote:
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> The vent is the access point. Lets schedule a
> fairfax underground dig
Ain't going to happen unless you can find a way to get electricity out there to power a plasma TV.
This thread kicks ass, but it seems that some company came in dumped a shit ton of dirt on top. Shame.. this place looks awesome and people had to go and tear it up over the years.
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> The vent is the access point. Lets schedule a
> fairfax underground dig
Ain't going to happen unless you can find a way to get electricity out there to power a plasma TV.
This thread kicks ass, but it seems that some company came in dumped a shit ton of dirt on top. Shame.. this place looks awesome and people had to go and tear it up over the years.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bob saget
()
Date: March 07, 2010 03:19PM
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
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Date: March 07, 2010 03:47PM
from 3/16/10:
1st pic: brick structure in the hole mentioned
2nd & 3rd: Two of three shafts in the Reast vent
4th: Spire with me (~6ft) for measurement purposes
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1st pic: brick structure in the hole mentioned
2nd & 3rd: Two of three shafts in the Reast vent
4th: Spire with me (~6ft) for measurement purposes
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
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Date: March 07, 2010 07:10PM
Which direction is the brick structure facing?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
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Date: March 07, 2010 07:26PM
Approximate coordinates for the entrance are 38.707490, -77.196990 (UTM 308967, 4286608). Look at one of my posts above. You can get the KML and load it in Google Earth. There is some error both in GE and in the registration of the 1960 image to GE so everything is approximate.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
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Date: March 07, 2010 07:35PM
If you were to look through that brick structure in the hole, you'd see the spire. The wall runs Rnorth to Rsouth, and I believe it is the wall to get into the inner atrium (still above ground), and not the actual underground portions.
My best guess at the hole location is somewhere on the red line, probably closer to the center (as the hole is ballpark inline with the vents and spire).
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My best guess at the hole location is somewhere on the red line, probably closer to the center (as the hole is ballpark inline with the vents and spire).
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
I love you all
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Date: March 07, 2010 07:48PM
Mad love to everyone who is contributing to this thread...
The only nancy-pants thing I can say is maybe cover up the dug hole/sinkhole so no clueless woods-walker falls in and breaks their ass.
Seriously, this is an amazing thread and I am completely fascinated.
The only nancy-pants thing I can say is maybe cover up the dug hole/sinkhole so no clueless woods-walker falls in and breaks their ass.
Seriously, this is an amazing thread and I am completely fascinated.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
geologist
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Date: March 07, 2010 09:11PM
It's not a sinkhole. for that you need limestone (karst) underneath which would dissolve into a cave system, and when one of the cave chambers collapses, it creates a sinkhole.
It is possible to get soil collapses, which are usually due to water flow, which this one isn't the case.
It is possible to get soil collapses, which are usually due to water flow, which this one isn't the case.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bob saget
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Date: March 07, 2010 09:16PM
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
not a geologist
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Date: March 07, 2010 09:18PM
Could it be water leaking into the intact crypt, or possibly the collapsed brick-filled chamber if its not intact (With all its voids between the rubble) and carrying the dirt away with it?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bob saget
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Date: March 07, 2010 09:19PM
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
not a geologist
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Date: March 07, 2010 09:21PM
or durr.. If you've been digging the hole then its obviously not a sinkhole..
Make sure you cover that shit up afterwards!
Make sure you cover that shit up afterwards!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bob saget
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Date: March 07, 2010 09:31PM
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
geologist
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Date: March 07, 2010 10:45PM
not a geologist Wrote:
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> Could it be water leaking into the intact crypt,
> or possibly the collapsed brick-filled chamber if
> its not intact (With all its voids between the
> rubble) and carrying the dirt away with it?
Yep, it's entirely plausible that could be the case. I didn't take that into account because there doesn't seem to be a constant source of water such as a creek or a broken water line, and since it's a topographic high, you won't get a stream of water from rain pooling and draining internally. But, if it was a pre-existing depression on the top of the pile, then over time it's entirely possible that as a small internally draining system from rain, the water could pool over the hole, then flow in.
Are the sides of the hole angled down, or relatively straight? sediment being carried in should be cone shaped, roughly around 23-27 degrees.
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> Could it be water leaking into the intact crypt,
> or possibly the collapsed brick-filled chamber if
> its not intact (With all its voids between the
> rubble) and carrying the dirt away with it?
Yep, it's entirely plausible that could be the case. I didn't take that into account because there doesn't seem to be a constant source of water such as a creek or a broken water line, and since it's a topographic high, you won't get a stream of water from rain pooling and draining internally. But, if it was a pre-existing depression on the top of the pile, then over time it's entirely possible that as a small internally draining system from rain, the water could pool over the hole, then flow in.
Are the sides of the hole angled down, or relatively straight? sediment being carried in should be cone shaped, roughly around 23-27 degrees.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
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Date: March 08, 2010 12:26AM
Geologist/notGeologist: The person I talked to about the hole was an amateur spelunker; he just looked for caves in the Shenandoah Valley. He did mention the angle of the sides of the hole, along with the difference between a cylindrical versus a conical shape. It is definitely cylindrical, and with BobSaget's claiming to have participated in the digging, it's most likely not a sinkhole.
BobSaget: When did you start digging? What structure (wall or ceiling) do you think you have reached? What did you do with the dirt/mud from the bottom of the hole?
BobSaget: When did you start digging? What structure (wall or ceiling) do you think you have reached? What did you do with the dirt/mud from the bottom of the hole?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: March 08, 2010 08:27AM
Spacey,
You do have some valid concerns (although they're really not what I wanna hear at this point in the excitement).
I don't know the exact, hair-splitting,legalities of this whole situation, but I think it in order to "vandalize" portions of this site with our "excavation" and "surveys", we'd have to be going about it another way.
I don't think that what we're doing (thus far) necessarilly falls under any of those terms. Plus, there were no "No Tresspassing" signs, and we could just be there to pay respects to our dead relatives in the cemetary or see the historical church...and while we're at it take a short hike in the woods - perfectly legal, right?
We haven't destroyed anything. And what we're looking for has most likely been long forgotten. If it was such a treasure to "the right people" who were so hell-bent on saving it, they should have stepped up back in the early 80's (or the 27 years since then!). Now we our left to literally "dig" through their ignorance. We on this thread view it as an important part of this county's history, and I think (and hope) I speak for more than myself when I say that we haven't put in all this time and research just to destroy it in the end.
"Out of sight, out of mind" is how the Pohick Church seems to have wanted to deal with the Remeum since it was buried, so as long as those who want to see it stay "out of sight" (which seems to be much easier than I originally thought), I don't see how it could be a problem.
On to something else I was thinking about over the weekend - when I was at the site, taking in just how much of a towering plateau it was, rising up from the bottom of the woods, I noticed that there was a significant drop-off behind the Remeyeasternest vent. This made me think of 2 things - (1) if Remey's masterplan was to build the rest of the underground chambers on the plans, was he going to dig even deeper in order to compensate for the drop-off, or was that level 80 years ago and has since been eroded? (2) Since we have an approximate 45 degree drop-off directly behind the Remeyeasternest vent, that should be the rear of the chamber, right? So, if one were so inclined, they could start digging horizontally at the bottom of the 5 foot drop-off and possibly find the rear wall of the chamber. If someone were to find the wall, we'd have a better idea as to whether or not the whole thing was demolished.
And now that I've been to the site, I'm even more convinced that the underground chambers were not destroyed due to the fact that (a) the vents are still there (as we've pointed out before), and you don't destroy a house and leave the chimneys standing. (b) if you've "leveled" something through demolition, then why put 6 feet of dirt on top of it?
DiamondD-REK, I'm not sure I agree with you about the wall in the hole being the Inner Atrium wall and not the wall to the entrance. Using the surveying tools on Historicaerials.com, the wall to the Inner Atrium measures about 76 feet from the Remeywesternest vent, whereas the hole seems to be much closer to 45 feet from the vent (where the "91" wall should be). So I'm inclined to think that we may very well have found the "91" wall, not the Inner Atrium wall.
You do have some valid concerns (although they're really not what I wanna hear at this point in the excitement).
I don't know the exact, hair-splitting,legalities of this whole situation, but I think it in order to "vandalize" portions of this site with our "excavation" and "surveys", we'd have to be going about it another way.
I don't think that what we're doing (thus far) necessarilly falls under any of those terms. Plus, there were no "No Tresspassing" signs, and we could just be there to pay respects to our dead relatives in the cemetary or see the historical church...and while we're at it take a short hike in the woods - perfectly legal, right?
We haven't destroyed anything. And what we're looking for has most likely been long forgotten. If it was such a treasure to "the right people" who were so hell-bent on saving it, they should have stepped up back in the early 80's (or the 27 years since then!). Now we our left to literally "dig" through their ignorance. We on this thread view it as an important part of this county's history, and I think (and hope) I speak for more than myself when I say that we haven't put in all this time and research just to destroy it in the end.
"Out of sight, out of mind" is how the Pohick Church seems to have wanted to deal with the Remeum since it was buried, so as long as those who want to see it stay "out of sight" (which seems to be much easier than I originally thought), I don't see how it could be a problem.
On to something else I was thinking about over the weekend - when I was at the site, taking in just how much of a towering plateau it was, rising up from the bottom of the woods, I noticed that there was a significant drop-off behind the Remeyeasternest vent. This made me think of 2 things - (1) if Remey's masterplan was to build the rest of the underground chambers on the plans, was he going to dig even deeper in order to compensate for the drop-off, or was that level 80 years ago and has since been eroded? (2) Since we have an approximate 45 degree drop-off directly behind the Remeyeasternest vent, that should be the rear of the chamber, right? So, if one were so inclined, they could start digging horizontally at the bottom of the 5 foot drop-off and possibly find the rear wall of the chamber. If someone were to find the wall, we'd have a better idea as to whether or not the whole thing was demolished.
And now that I've been to the site, I'm even more convinced that the underground chambers were not destroyed due to the fact that (a) the vents are still there (as we've pointed out before), and you don't destroy a house and leave the chimneys standing. (b) if you've "leveled" something through demolition, then why put 6 feet of dirt on top of it?
DiamondD-REK, I'm not sure I agree with you about the wall in the hole being the Inner Atrium wall and not the wall to the entrance. Using the surveying tools on Historicaerials.com, the wall to the Inner Atrium measures about 76 feet from the Remeywesternest vent, whereas the hole seems to be much closer to 45 feet from the vent (where the "91" wall should be). So I'm inclined to think that we may very well have found the "91" wall, not the Inner Atrium wall.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
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Date: March 08, 2010 08:34AM
If anyone is looking for something to go explore there is a house boat that washed up on the shore at Mason Neck State Park, its about 10 minutes away from the crypts. If you know where Pohick Regional Park is Mason Neck is a few miles farther down that road. I went out there after visiting the crypts on Saturday and took a look around, there is a bunch of stuff still in the boat and it appears to be in ok condition other than the fact that it is beached.
Back to the crypts, so if the brick wall at the bottom of the hole is really the Inner Atrium wall then how much closer to the vents would the underground entrance be?
Back to the crypts, so if the brick wall at the bottom of the hole is really the Inner Atrium wall then how much closer to the vents would the underground entrance be?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: March 08, 2010 08:50AM
I'm still convinced that the wall is the "91" wall. It just seems to be too close to the vents to be the Inner Atrium wall.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: March 08, 2010 09:39AM
I don't know if the rest of you feel the same way about ticks as I do, but apparently Tick Season starts in April. The combination of all that tall grass up there and the deer tracks that I saw seems to be a bad combination. I realize it's getting warmer, but I suggest light-colored long pants (makes 'em easier to spot) that are tucked into your sucks (stylin'!) and long sleeves, as well as OFF, just to be on the safe side.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
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Date: March 08, 2010 12:27PM
If the hole is only 40-50 feet from the vents, it's definitely not the entrance to the inner atrium. It's the Narthex/entrance to underground or another structure.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: March 08, 2010 12:46PM
I concur.
I just wish there was a way to figure out what part of the wall was at the bottom of the hole without having to do too much more digging and risking a cave-in.
I just wish there was a way to figure out what part of the wall was at the bottom of the hole without having to do too much more digging and risking a cave-in.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: March 08, 2010 02:02PM
If that is the top of the entrance wall at the bottom of the hole, it's obviously the other side of it (seeing as it's facing the vents). So from the top of the OTHER side of that wall, one would have to dig another three feet to reach the top of the sculptures on eithor side of the archway, and then an addtional four and a half feet to the top of the entrance. 8 feet of total digging as far as I can tell. I figured a brick is about 3 inches high, and then about half an inch or so for each of the mortar joint. The sculptures are probably about 4 and a half feet apart (as I counted the 8 inch brick between them).
Approx. 17 feet from the top of the existing hole to the entrance (as far as I can tell)
All my figuring was done using the very first picture of the "91" entrance on the first page of this thread. Math is not my best subject, but when you look at the picture of the entrance from 1956 in comparison to the guy looking at the hole, my numbers seem fairly accurate.
It's seems pretty dangerous to start at the bottom of the existing hole, dig sideways to reach the other side of the wall, and then start digging down again another 8 feet. Then you'd have 8 feet of dirt above your head that's not supported, which doesn't seem all that safe. Widing the hole a couple of feet in the direction of the obelisk (and taking that dirt OUT of the hole), then going the addtional 8 feet to the entrance would be alot of work, with no promise of complete success that what you're looking for is there.
And it's not the legal ramifications I'm so concerned about, but more the safety.
I'd love to see what's down there just as much as the next guy, but when you talk about digging straight down 17 feet (assuming one went that route), that's a whole lotta dirt that could potentially come down on someone. And no matter how many of your buddies are out there with you, chances are slim they'll get to you in time. And if the Crypts are still untouched and the hole you've dug caves in while you're in the chamber, that could potentially suck a whole lot as well.
I hate to turn into such a "wet blanket" all of a sudden, but it wasn't until I crunched the numbers that it came into perspective. Unless someone plans on making that hole ALOT wider, things could go very wrong very quickly.
So far, this thread's been quite a fucking journey from the day it started, but I don't think it's worth anyone getting hurt.
Approx. 17 feet from the top of the existing hole to the entrance (as far as I can tell)
All my figuring was done using the very first picture of the "91" entrance on the first page of this thread. Math is not my best subject, but when you look at the picture of the entrance from 1956 in comparison to the guy looking at the hole, my numbers seem fairly accurate.
It's seems pretty dangerous to start at the bottom of the existing hole, dig sideways to reach the other side of the wall, and then start digging down again another 8 feet. Then you'd have 8 feet of dirt above your head that's not supported, which doesn't seem all that safe. Widing the hole a couple of feet in the direction of the obelisk (and taking that dirt OUT of the hole), then going the addtional 8 feet to the entrance would be alot of work, with no promise of complete success that what you're looking for is there.
And it's not the legal ramifications I'm so concerned about, but more the safety.
I'd love to see what's down there just as much as the next guy, but when you talk about digging straight down 17 feet (assuming one went that route), that's a whole lotta dirt that could potentially come down on someone. And no matter how many of your buddies are out there with you, chances are slim they'll get to you in time. And if the Crypts are still untouched and the hole you've dug caves in while you're in the chamber, that could potentially suck a whole lot as well.
I hate to turn into such a "wet blanket" all of a sudden, but it wasn't until I crunched the numbers that it came into perspective. Unless someone plans on making that hole ALOT wider, things could go very wrong very quickly.
So far, this thread's been quite a fucking journey from the day it started, but I don't think it's worth anyone getting hurt.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
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Date: March 08, 2010 03:24PM
I was thinking the same thing about that hole caving in and how much that would suck. I do like the idea of digging in from behind the vents to see if we hit a wall, no risk of cave in.
I was also thinking about how they would have built the remainder of the structure after seeing the drop off you mentioned. I'm wondering if the plan wasn't to build right behind those vents as if it would have been above ground and then once it was all complete and had the ceiling on it they would come in and bury the whole thing.
I was also thinking about how they would have built the remainder of the structure after seeing the drop off you mentioned. I'm wondering if the plan wasn't to build right behind those vents as if it would have been above ground and then once it was all complete and had the ceiling on it they would come in and bury the whole thing.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bob saget
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Date: March 08, 2010 03:40PM
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
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Date: March 08, 2010 03:55PM
I would say that is the best bet for figuring out if the underground structure still exists. The only problem with that is that is the most exposed side of the site so we would need to be careful about being seen walking back there with shovels. It may be better to line yourself up to the south side of the eastern most vent and dig in that way, you shoudl hit a side wall of the underground structure and would be more shielded from view on that side of the hill.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bob saget
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Date: March 08, 2010 04:37PM
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Anonymous fan of thread
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Date: March 08, 2010 09:03PM
Saget, Hip, Sculler, etc.
This thread is amazing. I stumbled upon it Saturday night, 3/6, and was up all night riveted. Sunday afternoon I went to Pohick Church to check out the hole, and I saw a Lorton fire and rescue engine, and thought...oh shit someone got stuck. I saw 2 male and 1 female EMTs walking the grounds, but they didn't approach me, so I went on an checked it out for myself. Don't know why they were there, unless they have a friend buried at Pohick Church.
Lots of deer sign, lots of old beer cans (Meister Brau...damn that's old) and a seriously deep, square hole in some thick bush. As mentioned earlier, it's huge that the snow was so deep recently, as the red thorn bushes look like they'd be evil under normal conditions.
I am totally fascinated by this site. I grew up on Rt. 1, went to MVHS in the 1990s, and never heard a word of this. I talked to an older friend who went to Groveton (now West Potomac) in the late 70s and he said they used to party their a lot. He also mentioned finding a slave dungeon in Huntley Meadows park, complete with shackles and a fire place, that they used when they would go there. Fuckin' fascinating.
I can't believe that this place got buried...it should've been preserved and restored. Seeing those pictures of the Admiral with his head attached bummed me out, but teen vandalism is a timeless situation...they place was getting defaced for nearly 50 years by the bored teens of the area.
After checking it all out, I can't see how they caved it in, and it they did, do you think the Lions and all are still buried down that deep? I was under the impression that the obilisk was at ground level...am I off?
Do you think the lions from the 1954 JD image are buried under the dirt in the 91 entrance image? If so, that would rule!
Keep posting as you go...I don't know that I would want to be the first to crawl into the place again, but god damn is it tempting!!!
This thread is amazing. I stumbled upon it Saturday night, 3/6, and was up all night riveted. Sunday afternoon I went to Pohick Church to check out the hole, and I saw a Lorton fire and rescue engine, and thought...oh shit someone got stuck. I saw 2 male and 1 female EMTs walking the grounds, but they didn't approach me, so I went on an checked it out for myself. Don't know why they were there, unless they have a friend buried at Pohick Church.
Lots of deer sign, lots of old beer cans (Meister Brau...damn that's old) and a seriously deep, square hole in some thick bush. As mentioned earlier, it's huge that the snow was so deep recently, as the red thorn bushes look like they'd be evil under normal conditions.
I am totally fascinated by this site. I grew up on Rt. 1, went to MVHS in the 1990s, and never heard a word of this. I talked to an older friend who went to Groveton (now West Potomac) in the late 70s and he said they used to party their a lot. He also mentioned finding a slave dungeon in Huntley Meadows park, complete with shackles and a fire place, that they used when they would go there. Fuckin' fascinating.
I can't believe that this place got buried...it should've been preserved and restored. Seeing those pictures of the Admiral with his head attached bummed me out, but teen vandalism is a timeless situation...they place was getting defaced for nearly 50 years by the bored teens of the area.
After checking it all out, I can't see how they caved it in, and it they did, do you think the Lions and all are still buried down that deep? I was under the impression that the obilisk was at ground level...am I off?
Do you think the lions from the 1954 JD image are buried under the dirt in the 91 entrance image? If so, that would rule!
Keep posting as you go...I don't know that I would want to be the first to crawl into the place again, but god damn is it tempting!!!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Anonymous fan of thread
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Date: March 08, 2010 09:08PM
If you were to able to widen the hole enough to make it safe, and then do down another few feet, I think you'd be at the belly crawl level of the late 70s. It just seems like they piled a shit ton more dirt on it.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
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Date: March 08, 2010 09:18PM
What's the GPS coordinate of the hole?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
FFXPD
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Date: March 08, 2010 10:05PM
The Fairfax Police dept has begun surveillance of this location with more frequency and will arrest anyone found trespassing or defacing the property. Fair warning.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bob saget
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Date: March 08, 2010 10:38PM
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
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Date: March 09, 2010 07:42AM
Bob,
If you dig behind the vents I would not expect to find a way in, just a wall of some sort. There was mention of a cinder block wall in the crypts that no one knew what was on the other side of it and my bet is that was where the Remeum would have been expanded to finish the rest of the rooms on the plan. Digging behind those vents and finding an intact vertical wall would just tell us that the underground structure still seems to be in place.
If you dig behind the vents I would not expect to find a way in, just a wall of some sort. There was mention of a cinder block wall in the crypts that no one knew what was on the other side of it and my bet is that was where the Remeum would have been expanded to finish the rest of the rooms on the plan. Digging behind those vents and finding an intact vertical wall would just tell us that the underground structure still seems to be in place.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
curiuos
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Date: March 09, 2010 08:54AM
Doesnt there need to be a sign that says no trespassing in order to enforce it? Just like jehovas witness that walk in your yard I cant call the cops on them unless I have a sign displayed
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
XXX
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Date: March 09, 2010 09:06AM
§ 18.2-119. Trespass after having been forbidden to do so; penalties.
If any person without authority of law goes upon or remains upon the lands, buildings or premises of another, or any portion or area thereof, after having been forbidden to do so, either orally or in writing, by the owner, lessee, custodian or other person lawfully in charge thereof, or after having been forbidden to do so by a sign or signs posted by such persons or by the holder of any easement or other right-of-way authorized by the instrument creating such interest to post such signs on such lands, structures, premises or portion or area thereof at a place or places where it or they may be reasonably seen, or if any person, whether he is the owner, tenant or otherwise entitled to the use of such land, building or premises, goes upon, or remains upon such land, building or premises after having been prohibited from doing so by a court of competent jurisdiction by an order issued pursuant to §§ 16.1-253, 16.1-253.1, 16.1-253.4, 16.1-278.2 through 16.1-278.6, 16.1-278.8, 16.1-278.14, 16.1-278.15, 16.1-279.1, 19.2-152.8, 19.2-152.9 or § 19.2-152.10 or an ex parte order issued pursuant to § 20-103, and after having been served with such order, he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. This section shall not be construed to affect in any way the provisions of §§ 18.2-132 through 18.2-136.
(Code 1950, § 18.1-173; 1960, c. 358; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1982, c. 169; 1987, cc. 625, 705; 1991, c. 534; 1998, cc. 569, 684.)
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If any person without authority of law goes upon or remains upon the lands, buildings or premises of another, or any portion or area thereof, after having been forbidden to do so, either orally or in writing, by the owner, lessee, custodian or other person lawfully in charge thereof, or after having been forbidden to do so by a sign or signs posted by such persons or by the holder of any easement or other right-of-way authorized by the instrument creating such interest to post such signs on such lands, structures, premises or portion or area thereof at a place or places where it or they may be reasonably seen, or if any person, whether he is the owner, tenant or otherwise entitled to the use of such land, building or premises, goes upon, or remains upon such land, building or premises after having been prohibited from doing so by a court of competent jurisdiction by an order issued pursuant to §§ 16.1-253, 16.1-253.1, 16.1-253.4, 16.1-278.2 through 16.1-278.6, 16.1-278.8, 16.1-278.14, 16.1-278.15, 16.1-279.1, 19.2-152.8, 19.2-152.9 or § 19.2-152.10 or an ex parte order issued pursuant to § 20-103, and after having been served with such order, he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. This section shall not be construed to affect in any way the provisions of §§ 18.2-132 through 18.2-136.
(Code 1950, § 18.1-173; 1960, c. 358; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1982, c. 169; 1987, cc. 625, 705; 1991, c. 534; 1998, cc. 569, 684.)
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Yes, you are not trespassing until you have been told by a person to leave and don't or leave and come back, or it is posted by a sign.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
wtfno
()
Date: March 09, 2010 04:57PM
Anonymous fan of thread Wrote:
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> I talked to an older friend
> who went to Groveton (now West Potomac) in the
> late 70s and he said they used to party their a
> lot. He also mentioned finding a slave dungeon in
> Huntley Meadows park, complete with shackles and a
> fire place, that they used when they would go
> there.
Wait.... what?
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> I talked to an older friend
> who went to Groveton (now West Potomac) in the
> late 70s and he said they used to party their a
> lot. He also mentioned finding a slave dungeon in
> Huntley Meadows park, complete with shackles and a
> fire place, that they used when they would go
> there.
Wait.... what?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: March 09, 2010 07:39PM
I don't know what my thought process was in my previous post, but yes, I agree that the hole should be over the structure in the 91 picture (albeit the incorrect side).
saget: When were you digging? Also, I was looking at your pics from photobucket.. Someone has his/her foot over a small brick wall with a pipe; where is that pipe structure located?
Man, fuck the po-lice
saget: When were you digging? Also, I was looking at your pics from photobucket.. Someone has his/her foot over a small brick wall with a pipe; where is that pipe structure located?
Man, fuck the po-lice
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bob saget
()
Date: March 09, 2010 10:57PM
.
Start living, or start dying.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/10/2010 10:04PM by bob saget.
Start living, or start dying.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/10/2010 10:04PM by bob saget.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
quickThought
()
Date: March 10, 2010 01:17AM
Somebody should organize a documented restoration or digging, with permits and so on. Get buy in from pohick church and county(?) so its all legal, safe, and the legend can lay to rest once and for all. Hell, turn it into a park or attraction with historical signs etc. This could:
-Provide good PR for FFX Co. and church
-Eliminate future incidents, because the facts will be out there. Otherwise there will be people sneaking around back there all the time (maybe even me)
-Allow police to enforce real crime, instead of threatening trespassing charges on internet boards over something victimless and harmless. Cops: Look around, there are more important places you could be patrolling and better ways for you to uphold the law than bothering people that are interested in history
-Allow for efficient, uninterrupted digging etc. which sounds unlikely now.
-It Would probably be unrealistic otherwise to remove that much dirt, especially if the whole thing is filled in (I would guess it is)
-Provide all of us who are curiously following this thread with results
-Would be a good documentary, news story, etc.
Whoever owns the land should be investing in resources to clean the place out, document it for tv or film, or open it as attraction. I am cheering for anyone exploring this place, digging, and especially those providing pictures. Unfortunately, I think the reality of it is that unauthorized efforts will be too tough to really get anywhere.
-Provide good PR for FFX Co. and church
-Eliminate future incidents, because the facts will be out there. Otherwise there will be people sneaking around back there all the time (maybe even me)
-Allow police to enforce real crime, instead of threatening trespassing charges on internet boards over something victimless and harmless. Cops: Look around, there are more important places you could be patrolling and better ways for you to uphold the law than bothering people that are interested in history
-Allow for efficient, uninterrupted digging etc. which sounds unlikely now.
-It Would probably be unrealistic otherwise to remove that much dirt, especially if the whole thing is filled in (I would guess it is)
-Provide all of us who are curiously following this thread with results
-Would be a good documentary, news story, etc.
Whoever owns the land should be investing in resources to clean the place out, document it for tv or film, or open it as attraction. I am cheering for anyone exploring this place, digging, and especially those providing pictures. Unfortunately, I think the reality of it is that unauthorized efforts will be too tough to really get anywhere.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 10, 2010 07:47AM
So long as the Church, Authorities, nieghbors, etc. aren't under the impression that Disney has opened up a new themepark in the woods, I don't foresee there being a problem. Nothing has been destroyed, and no one has any intentions of destruction (not that anyone besides those on this thread give a damn about the Remeum).
I'm sure those who've been contributing to this thread would love to continue providing everyone with updates and results. But if the Church and the County were asked to participate or aid in these explorations, that's a sure-fire way to STOP GETTING RESULTS AND UPDATES. As long as everyone remains safe, non-destructive and descrete, I don't see why anyone should have a concern as to what's going on out there.
Anonymous fan of thread, from what I've read WAY back in the beginning is that most of the free-standing sculptures were all removed since they were the main targets of the vandals, unfortunately. However, seeing as the 2 sculptures to the right and left of the "91" entrance appear to have been built into the wall, I would assume those are still there and would be of great help in locating said entrance. You took care not to draw too much attention to yourself when the Fire Department was there, right?
I agree about hitting the other side of the cinderblock wall if one were to dig in from behind the vents, and the fact that it appears to be alot safer. I also agree that if someone were to find that cinderblock wall intact that it would definately give us a better idea as to whether or not the chambers were still intact. Then again, I also have to agree that given the lack of current foliage to provide cover, if one were to start digging there now it might be pretty obvious to curious neighbors. Another angle of approach might be a better idea.
And yes, I still think that the wall at the bottom of the hole is the "91" wall, it's just the wrong side of it. I still can't think of a safe way someone would go about digging all the way down to the entrance without widing the entrance to that hole by at least 8 feet (I'm not an engineer, but the wider the better...well, not from a descrete point of view.)
As for this "slave dugeon" in Huntley Meadows, I smell a new thread of exploration, hopefully (assuming it still exists).
I'm sure those who've been contributing to this thread would love to continue providing everyone with updates and results. But if the Church and the County were asked to participate or aid in these explorations, that's a sure-fire way to STOP GETTING RESULTS AND UPDATES. As long as everyone remains safe, non-destructive and descrete, I don't see why anyone should have a concern as to what's going on out there.
Anonymous fan of thread, from what I've read WAY back in the beginning is that most of the free-standing sculptures were all removed since they were the main targets of the vandals, unfortunately. However, seeing as the 2 sculptures to the right and left of the "91" entrance appear to have been built into the wall, I would assume those are still there and would be of great help in locating said entrance. You took care not to draw too much attention to yourself when the Fire Department was there, right?
I agree about hitting the other side of the cinderblock wall if one were to dig in from behind the vents, and the fact that it appears to be alot safer. I also agree that if someone were to find that cinderblock wall intact that it would definately give us a better idea as to whether or not the chambers were still intact. Then again, I also have to agree that given the lack of current foliage to provide cover, if one were to start digging there now it might be pretty obvious to curious neighbors. Another angle of approach might be a better idea.
And yes, I still think that the wall at the bottom of the hole is the "91" wall, it's just the wrong side of it. I still can't think of a safe way someone would go about digging all the way down to the entrance without widing the entrance to that hole by at least 8 feet (I'm not an engineer, but the wider the better...well, not from a descrete point of view.)
As for this "slave dugeon" in Huntley Meadows, I smell a new thread of exploration, hopefully (assuming it still exists).
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
idea
()
Date: March 10, 2010 03:59PM
I would suggest seeing if you can contact any decedents of Remey. I heard a rumor that they had wanted to get the dirt removed a few years back, but the church didn't really want to, or didn't want to pay the money to have it excavated. The church dragged their heels and I think the idea was eventually dropped. The family may still be interested, though! oh, and i think there are no trespassing signs up now, just fyi.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
No Trespassing
()
Date: March 10, 2010 06:06PM
Be advised that the church is aware of what is going on (including monitoring this thread) and No Trespassing signs are being posted and the police have been alerted.
Does anyone really think that if they're caught digging on private property that they're not going to be cited with anything? And, there are other parts of VA law that protect trespass or disturbance of church & cemetery grounds and structures, so if you intend to go much further, you might want to read up on those.
Does anyone really think that if they're caught digging on private property that they're not going to be cited with anything? And, there are other parts of VA law that protect trespass or disturbance of church & cemetery grounds and structures, so if you intend to go much further, you might want to read up on those.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
wtfno
()
Date: March 10, 2010 06:58PM
idea Wrote:
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> I would suggest seeing if you can contact any
> decedents of Remey. I heard a rumor that they had
> wanted to get the dirt removed a few years back,
> but the church didn't really want to, or didn't
> want to pay the money to have it excavated. The
> church dragged their heels and I think the idea
> was eventually dropped. The family may still be
> interested, though! oh, and i think there are no
> trespassing signs up now, just fyi.
This is probably the best course of action. If you get the family involved, that may allow exploring or, at least, some compassion on a judge's part if it had to go that far. I think this thread kicks ass and I want to see what is underneath just as much as the next person, but there are laws in place. Not worth getting hit with a fine or feeling metal to your wrists for this.
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> I would suggest seeing if you can contact any
> decedents of Remey. I heard a rumor that they had
> wanted to get the dirt removed a few years back,
> but the church didn't really want to, or didn't
> want to pay the money to have it excavated. The
> church dragged their heels and I think the idea
> was eventually dropped. The family may still be
> interested, though! oh, and i think there are no
> trespassing signs up now, just fyi.
This is probably the best course of action. If you get the family involved, that may allow exploring or, at least, some compassion on a judge's part if it had to go that far. I think this thread kicks ass and I want to see what is underneath just as much as the next person, but there are laws in place. Not worth getting hit with a fine or feeling metal to your wrists for this.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 11, 2010 07:26AM
While Remey's family may be proud of what Charles built and the incredible vision that he had, due to the fact that none of their family is still buried there I don't think they would be that interested. If the family was really that interested, they would have made an effort to do something about it over the last 30 years (at least). Contacting the family is an interesting idea, but whatever they have to say will most likely have little impact on the County's narrow-mindedness.
That brings me to another point: If even the descendants of the man who masterminded this incredible structure don't give a damn about it, why would anyone else? It's been 30 years since it was demolished! 30 years! Anyone from the police department that was working back then has most likely retired, and the same for the Church. Until someone actually sees a "No Trespassing" sign (and I assure you, there were no signs as of 3/6/10), or Fairfax County's finest at the edge of the woods with their hands on their hips, I'm not buying what you're selling. I'm still under the firm belief that VERY FEW people know and/or give a shit about what's out there. Why you insist on peppering this thread with threats that people are going to be arrested, I don't know. Maybe when you were a child the other kids didn't include you in their activities, but that's your personal problem, not ours.
That brings me to another point: If even the descendants of the man who masterminded this incredible structure don't give a damn about it, why would anyone else? It's been 30 years since it was demolished! 30 years! Anyone from the police department that was working back then has most likely retired, and the same for the Church. Until someone actually sees a "No Trespassing" sign (and I assure you, there were no signs as of 3/6/10), or Fairfax County's finest at the edge of the woods with their hands on their hips, I'm not buying what you're selling. I'm still under the firm belief that VERY FEW people know and/or give a shit about what's out there. Why you insist on peppering this thread with threats that people are going to be arrested, I don't know. Maybe when you were a child the other kids didn't include you in their activities, but that's your personal problem, not ours.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
idea
()
Date: March 11, 2010 02:10PM
someone cares, as there ARE "no trespassing" signs up (as of 3/10/10), the church DID find the hole, and DID call the police. I personally would love to see whats left of the remeum, but i didn't want to see people in trouble with the law. Especially since i'm pretty sure there's more at stake than just a slap on the wrist for trespassing.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 11, 2010 02:48PM
OK. I agree, I don't want anyone to get in trouble eithor (kinda because it seems like such a stupid thing to get busted for).
Let's say we believe you, and that the church did in fact put up signs and notified the police. My question is, why would they call the police unless they actually saw somebody back there digging? I wouldn't think they'd call the police simply because people were walking in the woods.
And let's say they did find the hole.
So what?
They found a hole in the ground. You know what they didn't find?
The dirt that came out of the hole.
A number of people on this thread have stated that they too have seen the hole. Due to the fact that there was no dirt around it they actually thought it might be a sink hole, despite the incredible coincidence of the location. For all we know, the church/police thought the same thing. If the church was aware that people were going back there, I feel like they would have actually confronted them or called the police in a timely fashion to have them stopped, and we've have heard about it by now.
If a credible source (you know who you are) posts that there are NO TRESSPASSING signs that have recently been put up, I'll believe it. However, it's gonna take alot more convincing to make me believe they called the cops for people walking into the woods in broad daylight. So I'm sticking with my theory that nobody but a select few care/know about what's back there.
Let's say we believe you, and that the church did in fact put up signs and notified the police. My question is, why would they call the police unless they actually saw somebody back there digging? I wouldn't think they'd call the police simply because people were walking in the woods.
And let's say they did find the hole.
So what?
They found a hole in the ground. You know what they didn't find?
The dirt that came out of the hole.
A number of people on this thread have stated that they too have seen the hole. Due to the fact that there was no dirt around it they actually thought it might be a sink hole, despite the incredible coincidence of the location. For all we know, the church/police thought the same thing. If the church was aware that people were going back there, I feel like they would have actually confronted them or called the police in a timely fashion to have them stopped, and we've have heard about it by now.
If a credible source (you know who you are) posts that there are NO TRESSPASSING signs that have recently been put up, I'll believe it. However, it's gonna take alot more convincing to make me believe they called the cops for people walking into the woods in broad daylight. So I'm sticking with my theory that nobody but a select few care/know about what's back there.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 11, 2010 02:54PM
idea Wrote:
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> I would suggest seeing if you can contact any
> decedents of Remey. I heard a rumor that they had
> wanted to get the dirt removed a few years back,
> but the church didn't really want to, or didn't
> want to pay the money to have it excavated. The
> church dragged their heels and I think the idea
> was eventually dropped. The family may still be
> interested, though! oh, and i think there are no
> trespassing signs up now, just fyi.
In this post you say that you "think there are no trespassing signs up"
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> I would suggest seeing if you can contact any
> decedents of Remey. I heard a rumor that they had
> wanted to get the dirt removed a few years back,
> but the church didn't really want to, or didn't
> want to pay the money to have it excavated. The
> church dragged their heels and I think the idea
> was eventually dropped. The family may still be
> interested, though! oh, and i think there are no
> trespassing signs up now, just fyi.
In this post you say that you "think there are no trespassing signs up"
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 11, 2010 03:02PM
idea Wrote:
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> someone cares, as there ARE "no trespassing" signs
> up (as of 3/10/10), the church DID find the hole,
> and DID call the police. I personally would love
> to see whats left of the remeum, but i didn't want
> to see people in trouble with the law. Especially
> since i'm pretty sure there's more at stake than
> just a slap on the wrist for trespassing.
And the very next day, you say "there ARE 'no trespassing' signs up".
Have you seen them, or are you just upset because I didn't believe you when you stated that you "thought" there were NO TRESSPASSING signs up?
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> someone cares, as there ARE "no trespassing" signs
> up (as of 3/10/10), the church DID find the hole,
> and DID call the police. I personally would love
> to see whats left of the remeum, but i didn't want
> to see people in trouble with the law. Especially
> since i'm pretty sure there's more at stake than
> just a slap on the wrist for trespassing.
And the very next day, you say "there ARE 'no trespassing' signs up".
Have you seen them, or are you just upset because I didn't believe you when you stated that you "thought" there were NO TRESSPASSING signs up?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bob saget
()
Date: March 11, 2010 03:13PM
.
Start living, or start dying.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2010 07:02PM by bob saget.
Start living, or start dying.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2010 07:02PM by bob saget.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
FFXPD
()
Date: March 11, 2010 04:08PM
We have been asked to step up enforcement of the church property and will not hesitate to arrest anyone found trespassing.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
idea
()
Date: March 11, 2010 04:28PM
bob - it doesn't really matter to me what you believe. just tryin to look out for ya...i dont really think the church likes people on their property, or in the priest's backyard. If you do decide to go do more digging, though, I wouldn't put up photobucket album pictures as your profile picture on facebook. Again, just lookin out. I realize that the goal is adventure; leave nothing but footprints...I am just suggesting exploring somewhere else for now, thats all.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
No Trespassing
()
Date: March 11, 2010 04:42PM
bob saget Wrote:
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> Tell us how you know the police have been
> contacted, from what you have said I don't believe
> any of it.
Funny how you don't believe it, yet you've edited out your previous posts in this thread... call the church property manager and ask him yourself.
Oh and you might want to look up VA Code 18.2-127 & 128 before you go out there again.
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> Tell us how you know the police have been
> contacted, from what you have said I don't believe
> any of it.
Funny how you don't believe it, yet you've edited out your previous posts in this thread... call the church property manager and ask him yourself.
Oh and you might want to look up VA Code 18.2-127 & 128 before you go out there again.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: March 11, 2010 05:39PM
how the fuck are you gonna suggest we call the church and ask about possible sightings of trespass?
"hey, pohick church, seen anyone in your backyard lately?"
"no.."
"oh good. well, don't look back there, 'cause no one has been there in 30 years. Trust me. And I'm damn sure I wasn't there"
C'mon SON!
"hey, pohick church, seen anyone in your backyard lately?"
"no.."
"oh good. well, don't look back there, 'cause no one has been there in 30 years. Trust me. And I'm damn sure I wasn't there"
C'mon SON!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Charles Mason Remey
()
Date: March 11, 2010 06:30PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the FFXPD doesn't post warnings in internet forums....who else thinks that we're getting trolled?
HURR DURR LOOK U GAIZ, ITS ME, CHARLES REMEY, IT EVEN SAYZ SO IN THE NAME FIELD
HURR DURR LOOK U GAIZ, ITS ME, CHARLES REMEY, IT EVEN SAYZ SO IN THE NAME FIELD
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Observer
()
Date: March 11, 2010 07:34PM
A great thread, with a great piece of local history which has been all but forgotten.
As much as I would like to see the Remey Crypts excavated and restored,unless someone can convince the landowner(s) to allow it I'm afraid all the digging and otherwise unauthorized explorations are exercises in futility. The law is very clear on the property rights of landowners, and it is without regard to any implied or imagined historical value of their property.
Also, be aware that because the recent activity has not gone unnoticed, we may expect that just as soon as the crypt is breached (assuming it is still intact to any degree where it actually can be), access will come to an abrupt halt and the landowner, the county, or SOMEONE will call in a demolition team and finally implode the place and put an end to the speculation and digging forever.
So, where does that leave us? The only viable option, if there is enough interest and resources, is to negotiate a deal, either a lease or purchase, for the land.
If the structure is indeed mostly intact, and if there really is enough historical significance this could be feasable.
Citizen and corporate donors might be willing to pay $20 to hundreds or even thousands of dollars for a brick or plaque engraved with their name in a highly visible place at the facility.
Maybe not. Just sayin'...
As much as I would like to see the Remey Crypts excavated and restored,unless someone can convince the landowner(s) to allow it I'm afraid all the digging and otherwise unauthorized explorations are exercises in futility. The law is very clear on the property rights of landowners, and it is without regard to any implied or imagined historical value of their property.
Also, be aware that because the recent activity has not gone unnoticed, we may expect that just as soon as the crypt is breached (assuming it is still intact to any degree where it actually can be), access will come to an abrupt halt and the landowner, the county, or SOMEONE will call in a demolition team and finally implode the place and put an end to the speculation and digging forever.
So, where does that leave us? The only viable option, if there is enough interest and resources, is to negotiate a deal, either a lease or purchase, for the land.
If the structure is indeed mostly intact, and if there really is enough historical significance this could be feasable.
Citizen and corporate donors might be willing to pay $20 to hundreds or even thousands of dollars for a brick or plaque engraved with their name in a highly visible place at the facility.
Maybe not. Just sayin'...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Woodland Res
()
Date: March 11, 2010 07:48PM
if the police really have made this a big issue of theirs, that is pretty sad. its a shame that they are going to take the fun out of all of this. everyone has been extremely mature with their posts and this has been one of the best threads ever.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
tree
()
Date: March 11, 2010 07:52PM
Just found this thread, interesting stuff-
Interesting hearing the history of the "Remeum". It's interesting to see his idea and attempts to preserve his legacy and Family history. Not many people would go to the lengths of spending almost an entire fortune creating a giant memorial like the whole Remeum complex. He even did it pretty young in his life, he was even still alive to see it demolished. What was he thinking, spend what, was it 2 mill. in 1939 or 49 on a crazy amount of bricks and labor. Then see the property turn into a place where kid's went to do illegal things. Then see the property destroyed because it's become too much of a nuisance. What a vision! Well at least Remey's project brought a few tons of business to whoever sold bricks back then.
But ultimately we must realize that there are better way's to become immortalized. Remey would be better remembered if he spent that money in philanthropic ways and got a normal grave like the rest of us. That would be a better investment, help people out, leave a better appreciation and opinion of the man. Seems like a good situation all around.
The Remeum as we know it today is a Monument and Crypt honoring bad idea's that ultimately fail. May the idiotic ideas of people gone before us find their resting place deep beneath the soil, never to be disturbed again.
Interesting hearing the history of the "Remeum". It's interesting to see his idea and attempts to preserve his legacy and Family history. Not many people would go to the lengths of spending almost an entire fortune creating a giant memorial like the whole Remeum complex. He even did it pretty young in his life, he was even still alive to see it demolished. What was he thinking, spend what, was it 2 mill. in 1939 or 49 on a crazy amount of bricks and labor. Then see the property turn into a place where kid's went to do illegal things. Then see the property destroyed because it's become too much of a nuisance. What a vision! Well at least Remey's project brought a few tons of business to whoever sold bricks back then.
But ultimately we must realize that there are better way's to become immortalized. Remey would be better remembered if he spent that money in philanthropic ways and got a normal grave like the rest of us. That would be a better investment, help people out, leave a better appreciation and opinion of the man. Seems like a good situation all around.
The Remeum as we know it today is a Monument and Crypt honoring bad idea's that ultimately fail. May the idiotic ideas of people gone before us find their resting place deep beneath the soil, never to be disturbed again.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Officer Friendly of the FFXPD
()
Date: March 11, 2010 09:11PM
DiamondD-REK, we are also keeping an eye on you son. Keep it legal.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hip
()
Date: March 11, 2010 09:20PM
Visited the Remeum to check out the rumors of the No Trespassing signs. Does not look good for future exploring.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jimbo
()
Date: March 11, 2010 10:59PM
Geez,
I sure would hate to finally get back inside there and then have to hide from the cops in the dark again.
Staking out the crypts was not a high priority for the police back when it was being used for booze & drugs. It is probably less a priority now, now that it is inaccessible and police department budgets are hurting along with everyone else's.
If someone just HAD to go and try to get in there, despite warnings of trespassing, he would have to do it at night (probably over many nights). The progress could easily be monitored by the authorities during the day. When it appeared that a successful entry was near, they could send someone to catch that person. Who knows? Someone could go to Dick's Sporting Goods and get one of those motion sensor cameras that attach to trees and set it near the work site so the scofflaw could be caught on camera (better wear a mask). It sounds riskier than it's worth, but if successful, the entire Crypt Forum would surely be impressed!I am not condoning this project, merely stating that a successful documented entry would be the acme of ninja studliness.
I sure would hate to finally get back inside there and then have to hide from the cops in the dark again.
Staking out the crypts was not a high priority for the police back when it was being used for booze & drugs. It is probably less a priority now, now that it is inaccessible and police department budgets are hurting along with everyone else's.
If someone just HAD to go and try to get in there, despite warnings of trespassing, he would have to do it at night (probably over many nights). The progress could easily be monitored by the authorities during the day. When it appeared that a successful entry was near, they could send someone to catch that person. Who knows? Someone could go to Dick's Sporting Goods and get one of those motion sensor cameras that attach to trees and set it near the work site so the scofflaw could be caught on camera (better wear a mask). It sounds riskier than it's worth, but if successful, the entire Crypt Forum would surely be impressed!I am not condoning this project, merely stating that a successful documented entry would be the acme of ninja studliness.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
sigh
()
Date: March 12, 2010 12:18AM
we're obviously being trolled -- some pansy who apparently didn't get stuffed into a locker enough times in high school is feeling a little inadequate.
but the fact remains that those code sections could be interpreted to apply. most likely any judge would throw it out since the whole thing is harmless, but it'd still be a pain in the ass.
but the fact remains that those code sections could be interpreted to apply. most likely any judge would throw it out since the whole thing is harmless, but it'd still be a pain in the ass.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 12, 2010 07:42AM
I'm kind of conflicted. If there was a way to approach the church with a proposal to have the Remeum excavated so that there was something in it for them, maybe that would work. If someone was able to convince the church that it was in the interest of preserving/rediscovering part of this county's history, there's a slim chance they might go for it. But as someone already stated earlier, with the county's budget being the way it is, it all comes down to money - and the lack there of. Unless there's someone out there who's feeling REALLY generous and has some to time to kill doing some SERIOUS lobbying, I just don't see it happening. But if it was done right, it would be the optimal situation.
As I've said before (LONG before all the trolls showed up), there are one too many narrow-minded pencil pushers working for the county that wouldn't approve at all of people being out there. So we're just supposed to forget about this incredible piece of history right in our backyard, and settle for looking at pictures of it in the Virginia Room? How is that fair? We just want to appreciate it, the same way people like to appreciate Mount Vernon. Has anyone ever seen the picture of Mount Vernon before it was properly restored? It looked like it was on the verge of being condemned, and look at it now! (Yes, I realize the Remeum is NOT Mount Vernon, but work with me here) What if someone had just said "Oh, no. That house is too far gone and dangerous for people to be walking around in, just level it."?
Our sense of adventure might get in the way of our common sense every now and then, but in the end we're just looking to appreciate what was once there, and that's difficult to do when it's buried under about 15 feet of dirt. I don't think Mount Vernon would rake in all that cash if all that remained of it was some stones from the foundations.
I can't help but get a little pissed off thinking that there's a fat fuck out there behind a desk that would tell me the only way I can appreciate this history is to fork up an impossible amount of money.
As I've said before (LONG before all the trolls showed up), there are one too many narrow-minded pencil pushers working for the county that wouldn't approve at all of people being out there. So we're just supposed to forget about this incredible piece of history right in our backyard, and settle for looking at pictures of it in the Virginia Room? How is that fair? We just want to appreciate it, the same way people like to appreciate Mount Vernon. Has anyone ever seen the picture of Mount Vernon before it was properly restored? It looked like it was on the verge of being condemned, and look at it now! (Yes, I realize the Remeum is NOT Mount Vernon, but work with me here) What if someone had just said "Oh, no. That house is too far gone and dangerous for people to be walking around in, just level it."?
Our sense of adventure might get in the way of our common sense every now and then, but in the end we're just looking to appreciate what was once there, and that's difficult to do when it's buried under about 15 feet of dirt. I don't think Mount Vernon would rake in all that cash if all that remained of it was some stones from the foundations.
I can't help but get a little pissed off thinking that there's a fat fuck out there behind a desk that would tell me the only way I can appreciate this history is to fork up an impossible amount of money.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Old Guy
()
Date: March 12, 2010 09:56AM
Awesome thread. But funny that all this fuss is over a structure that's 50-60 years old. I have furniture older than that.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: March 12, 2010 10:08AM
You can always park in the church parking lot and take a stroll on the church grounds. Up near the actual church there are some really old graves, I want to say one was from the revolutionary war but I don't remember since it has been so long since I was up there. At that point you would not be trespassing and you could probably take a walk out to the graveyard and see if the signs are posted. I can see the church not wanting us back there, the last time people could get in this place it turned into party central. Those of us posting here have no desire to destroy/deface the place but as soon as word gets out that there is a way in you can bet there will be all kinds of people out there trying to get in. Sounds like it might be time to head on over to Huntley Meadows and let the Remeum cool down for a while.
We need more info on this slave dungeon, at Huntley Meadows park is a little vague to just go wandering around out there. Was it built out of brick, cement, any info you can find would be great.
We need more info on this slave dungeon, at Huntley Meadows park is a little vague to just go wandering around out there. Was it built out of brick, cement, any info you can find would be great.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 12, 2010 10:16AM
Scouting for signs while trying to look as academic as possible isn't a bad idea.
As far as the Slave Dungeons are concerned, I found nothing on them when I searched the internet. Plus,that park is way too big to just start strolling around aimlessly. We're gonna need more reliable info. before embarking on that adventure.
As far as the Slave Dungeons are concerned, I found nothing on them when I searched the internet. Plus,that park is way too big to just start strolling around aimlessly. We're gonna need more reliable info. before embarking on that adventure.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
FFXPD
()
Date: March 12, 2010 02:15PM
The church is concerned with folks parking in the lot that are not on church business. As a result of that, we will be enforcing the parking lot and writing tickets on vehicles that don't belong there.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 12, 2010 02:21PM
Thanks for the heads up. Now we know where not to park.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
FFXUPD
()
Date: March 12, 2010 03:16PM
Hi this is officer Fist Mcbutt from the Fairfax underground police dept., and anyone not caught digging up the crypt will be anally prosecuted.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
oddly enough
()
Date: March 12, 2010 03:42PM
There actually *is* an Officer Butt working for the FCPD.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: March 12, 2010 06:30PM
yo, i was at the Remeum entrance (not 91, the entrance to the path in the woods), and THERE IS a "no tresspassing" sign. It looks to have been posted by the church, and it was not there this past saturday. Either someone is stalking this thread, or someone in the rector's house saw people strolling through the woods. Either way, I suggest a halt to Remeum adventures until we can figure this out.
As others have said, we don't want to attract too much attention at one time. Also, I agree that this a low priority for the police, but we need to tread lightly since the church (at least) has been alerted to our presence in the woods.
As others have said, we don't want to attract too much attention at one time. Also, I agree that this a low priority for the police, but we need to tread lightly since the church (at least) has been alerted to our presence in the woods.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
tyrone
()
Date: March 12, 2010 06:44PM
Everyone invloved-don't go there, we dont want then to mess this up, we only have one chance
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Anonymous fan of Thread
()
Date: March 12, 2010 10:19PM
This thread rocks, and I don't think you could get locked up for trespassing just to visit the site. It is, after all, listed on the Fairfax County Webpage, and people travel all over the original 13 colonies to see old graves, etc. Digging is another story. I loved seeing the photobucket slide shows, and I admire your daring, but I'd be concerned about it getting traced back to you.
My friend who told me about huntley meadows said that they informed the park authority about the slave dungeon at some point, and unless it was leveled, I'd imagine it's out there somewhere, but you're right about nothing on the internet. When I googled huntley meadows dungeon, there was a conspiracy theory page that thought a coast gaurd GPS was a prison for al queda, but it was about it.
If you are visiting the site, don't bring a shovel. No harm in looking...just disavow knowledge of this thread.
If you are intent on digging, invest in night vision goggles and plan to hide your work, because as someone mentioned earlier, they might just toss TNT into it this time. It sucks, but it's on church property, so they can do almost anything they want with it.
Perhaps it could be protected as a historical site, given the importance of it's designer. If you contacted a local BaHai temple, they might be supportive of it, since CMR was a big whig in that religion, until he caused a schism anyhow.
That's all for now. The only other cool places around might be at Ft. Hunt park, where they interrogated german POWs. We used to go there on field trips, and dare each other how deep into the bunkers we would go. Might be something there too, but I wouldn't dare dig on federal park land. A shovel or even metal detector is liable to get you fined or jailed. I guess amateur archaeology is frowned upon at the moment.
Anyhow, keep the thread active, and post any new developments...it's too damn interesting not to keep after.
My friend who told me about huntley meadows said that they informed the park authority about the slave dungeon at some point, and unless it was leveled, I'd imagine it's out there somewhere, but you're right about nothing on the internet. When I googled huntley meadows dungeon, there was a conspiracy theory page that thought a coast gaurd GPS was a prison for al queda, but it was about it.
If you are visiting the site, don't bring a shovel. No harm in looking...just disavow knowledge of this thread.
If you are intent on digging, invest in night vision goggles and plan to hide your work, because as someone mentioned earlier, they might just toss TNT into it this time. It sucks, but it's on church property, so they can do almost anything they want with it.
Perhaps it could be protected as a historical site, given the importance of it's designer. If you contacted a local BaHai temple, they might be supportive of it, since CMR was a big whig in that religion, until he caused a schism anyhow.
That's all for now. The only other cool places around might be at Ft. Hunt park, where they interrogated german POWs. We used to go there on field trips, and dare each other how deep into the bunkers we would go. Might be something there too, but I wouldn't dare dig on federal park land. A shovel or even metal detector is liable to get you fined or jailed. I guess amateur archaeology is frowned upon at the moment.
Anyhow, keep the thread active, and post any new developments...it's too damn interesting not to keep after.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
G
()
Date: March 12, 2010 11:16PM
seems to me the church went to great length & expense over the decades to literally bury this part of their past, and they're not going to welcome anyone poking around back there, much less digging.
DiamondD-REK Wrote:
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> yo, i was at the Remeum entrance (not 91, the
> entrance to the path in the woods), and THERE IS a
> "no tresspassing" sign. It looks to have been
> posted by the church, and it was not there this
> past saturday. Either someone is stalking this
> thread, or someone in the rector's house saw
> people strolling through the woods.
umm that was all noted a couple days ago and dismissed as trolling... I guess some of the Indiana Jones wannabes are a little slow.
DiamondD-REK Wrote:
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> yo, i was at the Remeum entrance (not 91, the
> entrance to the path in the woods), and THERE IS a
> "no tresspassing" sign. It looks to have been
> posted by the church, and it was not there this
> past saturday. Either someone is stalking this
> thread, or someone in the rector's house saw
> people strolling through the woods.
umm that was all noted a couple days ago and dismissed as trolling... I guess some of the Indiana Jones wannabes are a little slow.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
quickThought
()
Date: March 13, 2010 12:26AM
The Sculler Wrote:
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> I'm sure those who've been contributing to this
> thread would love to continue providing everyone
> with updates and results. But if the Church and
> the County were asked to participate or aid in
> these explorations, that's a sure-fire way to STOP
> GETTING RESULTS AND UPDATES. As long as everyone
> remains safe, non-destructive and descrete, I
> don't see why anyone should have a concern as to
> what's going on out there.
good call lol
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> I'm sure those who've been contributing to this
> thread would love to continue providing everyone
> with updates and results. But if the Church and
> the County were asked to participate or aid in
> these explorations, that's a sure-fire way to STOP
> GETTING RESULTS AND UPDATES. As long as everyone
> remains safe, non-destructive and descrete, I
> don't see why anyone should have a concern as to
> what's going on out there.
good call lol
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
FFXPD
()
Date: March 13, 2010 04:29PM
We have some recorded film from a surveillance camera placed at the scene. We are reviewing the film and matching faces with our database. Charges may be pending.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bored?
()
Date: March 13, 2010 04:38PM
Ha! isnt their some *real* crime you should be investigating??
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Kardinal
()
Date: March 13, 2010 05:52PM
bored? Wrote:
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> Ha! isnt their some *real* crime you should be
> investigating??
As disappointed as I am not to find out what's really down there, someone misusing YOUR property is a real crime. And Pohick Church deserves the same protection YOU do.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ha! isnt their some *real* crime you should be
> investigating??
As disappointed as I am not to find out what's really down there, someone misusing YOUR property is a real crime. And Pohick Church deserves the same protection YOU do.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
TheObserver
()
Date: March 14, 2010 01:36PM
As much as I highly doubt the FFXPD would tell people in an online forum that they are watching you, I do think we should all be a little more careful about what we are doing there. Perhaps, like others have suggested it would be a good idea to bring the church or the Remey family in on this? I mean, someone might be able to ask the church if maybe we can have one weekend or something to explore at our own cost and then when we're done, leave everything the way we found it? That way we get what we want and their property rights are respected. Perhaps someone here knows someone who works at a construction company that does underground work and may have access to the radar that they use to scan underground before digging?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
FFXPD
()
Date: March 14, 2010 02:24PM
We have access to many things, including your IP address. Tread lightly, stay legal.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Spacy
()
Date: March 14, 2010 05:24PM
FFXPD Wrote
[various stupid things]
C'mon, nobody thinks you're a police man, just that it's pathetic that you think you're messing with people on a forum. Please desist - you're spamming.
By the way, impersonating a police officer *is* a crime. And the moderators have YOUR IP address.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/15/2010 01:24AM by Spacy.
[various stupid things]
C'mon, nobody thinks you're a police man, just that it's pathetic that you think you're messing with people on a forum. Please desist - you're spamming.
By the way, impersonating a police officer *is* a crime. And the moderators have YOUR IP address.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/15/2010 01:24AM by Spacy.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
RotnRik
()
Date: March 14, 2010 07:18PM
"FFXPD 0": the 'NO TRESPASSING' signs didn't stop us in the '70s, good luck with your surveillance! DON'T SHOOT ANYBODY! The Crypts (THREAT OF PAGANS & MUCH LESS, THE COPS) was one true THRILL of my childhood. The last entrance I found was about 1/2 way down the south wall at the top edge of the site, that was in the early '80s. ONE LEVEL was all we ever found. WE WERE JUST KIDS HAVIN' FUN, MAN THAT JOINT WAS COOL!!!!!...RotnRik...BURKE BROS...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 15, 2010 06:57AM
DiamondD-REK Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> yo, i was at the Remeum entrance (not 91, the
> entrance to the path in the woods), and THERE IS a
> "no tresspassing" sign. It looks to have been
> posted by the church, and it was not there this
> past saturday. Either someone is stalking this
> thread, or someone in the rector's house saw
> people strolling through the woods. Either way, I
> suggest a halt to Remeum adventures until we can
> figure this out.
>
> As others have said, we don't want to attract too
> much attention at one time. Also, I agree that
> this a low priority for the police, but we need to
> tread lightly since the church (at least) has been
> alerted to our presence in the woods.
Damn.
-------------------------------------------------------
> yo, i was at the Remeum entrance (not 91, the
> entrance to the path in the woods), and THERE IS a
> "no tresspassing" sign. It looks to have been
> posted by the church, and it was not there this
> past saturday. Either someone is stalking this
> thread, or someone in the rector's house saw
> people strolling through the woods. Either way, I
> suggest a halt to Remeum adventures until we can
> figure this out.
>
> As others have said, we don't want to attract too
> much attention at one time. Also, I agree that
> this a low priority for the police, but we need to
> tread lightly since the church (at least) has been
> alerted to our presence in the woods.
Damn.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Spacy is one dumb mother fucker
()
Date: March 15, 2010 01:55PM
moderator? moderator? You idiot.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
PD 640
()
Date: March 16, 2010 01:18AM
The reason that we (the Police) are using this online forum to tell you all that we are watching you, is because there is no advantage for us not to tell you. Those of you who are smart, will take the warning and stay away... we call that "voluntary compliance" and it means less work for us. (insert lazy cop joke here)
For those of you who ignore the warnings and show up anyway, just know that we WILL be looking for your flashlights in the dark; we WILL be looking for MORE of your illegally parked cars on Old Colchester Rd; we WILL call up our helicopter with the "Forward Looking Infra Radar (FLIR) to chase you through the woods at night; We WILL be trying to catch you; we WILL put you in handcuffs and take you to the Adult Detention Center (ADC) and finally, when the case goes to trial we WILL tell the Judge how we first warned all of you that we were going to do it... which means that by giving you all fair warning, we are building a better case for ourselves in court. so the real question is why wouldn't we tell you?
Please do not kid yourself into believing that our Judges will not take this serious... read the laws, there are numerous laws that specifically address what you are talking about doing ...("Trespassing" (generally)... "trespassing in cemeteries"... "trespassing on church property"..."trespass, injuries to cemeteries" (I assure you that the court will see any digging at a burial site as an "injury") That's just a start.)
Before you go trashing us too much, think about it, for us this is not about ruining your fun it is about protecting the property owner. For some of you this is harmless fun, but history tells us that this is a slippery slope. We know that once word gets out that you got away with this, others will follow you. Be honest, we all know that some people who are attracted to cemeteries have a dangerous idea of "fun" and someone eventually takes "fun" too far (ie. more serious problems for the church). Once things get out of hand it will be even harder for us to stop people... and once the Judge starts asking why we are singling out some defendants since we didn't prosecute others, then it will be even harder for us to win in court. By addressing this small problem now (at a minimal financial cost), we are saving ourself a lot of work (and money...don't forget those budget shortages) later. (insert lazy cop joke here)
Lastly, for those of you who don't believe that I'm a real cop... I DON'T CARE. I posted this to help warn those normally law abiding citizens who are thinking about doing something that they are going to regret later (and no, I will not have pity on you then). For those of you who still want to question it, you have two choices: 1) Play it safe and don't test me. or 2) When you get arrested in Lorton you will recognize me because I will be the Officer who is laughing.
For those of you who ignore the warnings and show up anyway, just know that we WILL be looking for your flashlights in the dark; we WILL be looking for MORE of your illegally parked cars on Old Colchester Rd; we WILL call up our helicopter with the "Forward Looking Infra Radar (FLIR) to chase you through the woods at night; We WILL be trying to catch you; we WILL put you in handcuffs and take you to the Adult Detention Center (ADC) and finally, when the case goes to trial we WILL tell the Judge how we first warned all of you that we were going to do it... which means that by giving you all fair warning, we are building a better case for ourselves in court. so the real question is why wouldn't we tell you?
Please do not kid yourself into believing that our Judges will not take this serious... read the laws, there are numerous laws that specifically address what you are talking about doing ...("Trespassing" (generally)... "trespassing in cemeteries"... "trespassing on church property"..."trespass, injuries to cemeteries" (I assure you that the court will see any digging at a burial site as an "injury") That's just a start.)
Before you go trashing us too much, think about it, for us this is not about ruining your fun it is about protecting the property owner. For some of you this is harmless fun, but history tells us that this is a slippery slope. We know that once word gets out that you got away with this, others will follow you. Be honest, we all know that some people who are attracted to cemeteries have a dangerous idea of "fun" and someone eventually takes "fun" too far (ie. more serious problems for the church). Once things get out of hand it will be even harder for us to stop people... and once the Judge starts asking why we are singling out some defendants since we didn't prosecute others, then it will be even harder for us to win in court. By addressing this small problem now (at a minimal financial cost), we are saving ourself a lot of work (and money...don't forget those budget shortages) later. (insert lazy cop joke here)
Lastly, for those of you who don't believe that I'm a real cop... I DON'T CARE. I posted this to help warn those normally law abiding citizens who are thinking about doing something that they are going to regret later (and no, I will not have pity on you then). For those of you who still want to question it, you have two choices: 1) Play it safe and don't test me. or 2) When you get arrested in Lorton you will recognize me because I will be the Officer who is laughing.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 16, 2010 07:37AM
Wow.
I think I speak for everyone when I say that was very moving. And all those big legal terms you threw in there, very impressive. You even took the time to come up with a badge number for yourself.
Remember, shoulder injuries are much more serious than people think. So stretch thoroughly. Just something to think about when your patting yourself on the back.
If I can give you some advice (as it seems like you take your make-believe Police Officer job VERY SERIOUSLY), it's not smart to admit the flaws and weaknesses of the legal system to the general public much less those that you're trying to intimidate. Also, real police officers usually don't invite citizens to question whether or not they're actually police officers, as they take alot of pride in their jobs (hence the whole "badge and uniform" thing). Just some things to keep in mind when you're making desperate grasps at credibility.
I think I speak for everyone when I say that was very moving. And all those big legal terms you threw in there, very impressive. You even took the time to come up with a badge number for yourself.
Remember, shoulder injuries are much more serious than people think. So stretch thoroughly. Just something to think about when your patting yourself on the back.
If I can give you some advice (as it seems like you take your make-believe Police Officer job VERY SERIOUSLY), it's not smart to admit the flaws and weaknesses of the legal system to the general public much less those that you're trying to intimidate. Also, real police officers usually don't invite citizens to question whether or not they're actually police officers, as they take alot of pride in their jobs (hence the whole "badge and uniform" thing). Just some things to keep in mind when you're making desperate grasps at credibility.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
FFXPD
()
Date: March 16, 2010 09:26AM
The Sculler, mock now, be arrested later. We are watching you son.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 16, 2010 10:15AM
I don't think I'm alone when I say that I've always had a little fantasy about being cuffed by a smokin' hot female police officer. Ya know, maybe she could shove me into the side of the squad car before she pats me down, kinda rough-like. Can we arrange that?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
KopCiller
()
Date: March 16, 2010 07:19PM
"trespassing in cemeteries"... "trespassing on church property"..."trespass, injuries to cemeteries"
Officer, please tell us why the police department didn't do their job back in 1956 when was an actual mausoleum, cemetery, and church property to protect. Now that it's an empty, overgrown field it's being protected?
Officer, please tell us why the police department didn't do their job back in 1956 when was an actual mausoleum, cemetery, and church property to protect. Now that it's an empty, overgrown field it's being protected?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
496
()
Date: March 16, 2010 11:09PM
KopCiller Wrote:
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> "trespassing in cemeteries"... "trespassing on
> church property"..."trespass, injuries to
> cemeteries"
>
> Officer, please tell us why the police department
> didn't do their job back in 1956 when was an
> actual mausoleum, cemetery, and church property to
> protect. Now that it's an empty, overgrown field
> it's being protected?
It's a conspiracy I tell ya.
-------------------------------------------------------
> "trespassing in cemeteries"... "trespassing on
> church property"..."trespass, injuries to
> cemeteries"
>
> Officer, please tell us why the police department
> didn't do their job back in 1956 when was an
> actual mausoleum, cemetery, and church property to
> protect. Now that it's an empty, overgrown field
> it's being protected?
It's a conspiracy I tell ya.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Citizen
()
Date: March 17, 2010 11:44AM
Very good point, and if the so called "cop" on this site is for real, why aren't you out solving a crime or protecting the public rather than wasting tax payers money surfing the net?
By the way, Pohick Church is one of the most historic churches in America. It's even listed on the register of national historic landmarks. If the church members themselves didn't want it listed they could ask to have it removed from the list. Visitors come from miles away to visit the site and to see where the father of our country worshiped. Are the police really going to harass/ticket every visitor who parks in their lot? Do they really want that sort of negative publicity? Are they also going to harass the poor souls that come to visit the graves of their lost loved ones that lie buried in the graveyard?
I certainly don't condone any sort of vandalism or destruction and I would personally call the police on anyone that I witnessed doing so, but using this forum to threaten those who haven't yet broken any laws is an abuse of power, not to mention just being a douche!
By the way, Pohick Church is one of the most historic churches in America. It's even listed on the register of national historic landmarks. If the church members themselves didn't want it listed they could ask to have it removed from the list. Visitors come from miles away to visit the site and to see where the father of our country worshiped. Are the police really going to harass/ticket every visitor who parks in their lot? Do they really want that sort of negative publicity? Are they also going to harass the poor souls that come to visit the graves of their lost loved ones that lie buried in the graveyard?
I certainly don't condone any sort of vandalism or destruction and I would personally call the police on anyone that I witnessed doing so, but using this forum to threaten those who haven't yet broken any laws is an abuse of power, not to mention just being a douche!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: March 17, 2010 02:04PM
In the beginning, Treasure Oak Court was an option that I considered for a point of entry, as there doesn't appear to be a fence keeping you out of the woods. As far as we know, there's only one NO TRESPASSING sign at the edge of the woods where the church is. So, if one was feeling lucky and was careful as to how they parked in that neighborhood, they could possibly still get in and get away with playing stupid should they get confronted. And someone from the church isn't likely to see you from their window through all those trees.
Just trying to find the silver-lining, for exploration's sake.
Just trying to find the silver-lining, for exploration's sake.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
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Date: March 17, 2010 05:47PM
yo thanks sculler, for being one to BELIEVE me when I said there was a tresspassing sign, church side. I would hope I've contributed enough to the thread to not be dismissed as a troll (post by G, March 12 ... seriously dude, fuck you).
I heard from someone who was a former construction contractor, and he said something about tresspassing signs needing to be at least 50 ft apart on the perimeter of the property (not sure on the figure, of if that is an old law, so I understand if this is hearsay). Before going into the woods, I considered entering through Treasure Oak ct. From what I could see driving by, there is no fence nor a "no tresspassing" sign on that side of the woods. I decided to park elsewhere, and walked to the Remeum via the rector's house road/"path off to the right". I definitely recommend caution before going back into the woods, but going the Treasure Oak way and playing stupid if caught seems like a possibility.
Note: I visited Treasure Oak ct. on 3/6/10, so there may have been a sign posted since then.
I heard from someone who was a former construction contractor, and he said something about tresspassing signs needing to be at least 50 ft apart on the perimeter of the property (not sure on the figure, of if that is an old law, so I understand if this is hearsay). Before going into the woods, I considered entering through Treasure Oak ct. From what I could see driving by, there is no fence nor a "no tresspassing" sign on that side of the woods. I decided to park elsewhere, and walked to the Remeum via the rector's house road/"path off to the right". I definitely recommend caution before going back into the woods, but going the Treasure Oak way and playing stupid if caught seems like a possibility.
Note: I visited Treasure Oak ct. on 3/6/10, so there may have been a sign posted since then.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
G
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Date: March 17, 2010 05:48PM
Visitation rights for family members of the departed are quite a different thing than random hooligan trespassing.
As someone mentioned before, CALL THE CHURCH PROPERTY MGR AND ASK if it's ok to visit back there, instead of sneaking around and risking getting a stupid citation. What's so hard about that? If you're not doing anything illicit, and possibly even want to visit out of genuine historical interest, then making a quick phone call or checking in with the church office should be no problem. The fact that people are sneaking around back there in the dark or with shovels is what made this an issue in the first place, and arguing with some imaginary cop isn't going to fix that.
As someone mentioned before, CALL THE CHURCH PROPERTY MGR AND ASK if it's ok to visit back there, instead of sneaking around and risking getting a stupid citation. What's so hard about that? If you're not doing anything illicit, and possibly even want to visit out of genuine historical interest, then making a quick phone call or checking in with the church office should be no problem. The fact that people are sneaking around back there in the dark or with shovels is what made this an issue in the first place, and arguing with some imaginary cop isn't going to fix that.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
FFXPD
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Date: March 17, 2010 08:25PM
Playing stupid will get you arrested son. STAY OFF THE PROPERTY.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
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Date: March 17, 2010 09:37PM
to FFXPD: Please take your sidearm and shoot yourself. If you don't have one because you're a phony bitch, then I suggest you find the nearest cliff and see how quickly you can reach the bottom. I'm sorry your parents didn't love you and you can no longer find any scum-sucking piece of shit to like you. It's not our fault you sit at home all day on the computer.
Let me guess the breakdown of your computer time: masturbating, while using your own tears as lubricant = 80%, being an overall bitch = 5%, Talking to your valium addicted bitch of a mother = 15%.
If you're a cop and dislike the "unloading of the sidearm to my temple" idea, then take your baton and shove it up your ass. You make Darwin squirm in his grave by being alive. For his sake, and the sake of humanity, please kill yourself...at this point, its the only option.
Oh and let me guess your response: "Diamond D-REK, you're getting arrested son!"
On a "serious" note, THANK YOU FFXPD, we have heeded your warnings. If we choose to go on to the property (whether legal or not), so be it. There is no need for you to post anything else.
Let me guess the breakdown of your computer time: masturbating, while using your own tears as lubricant = 80%, being an overall bitch = 5%, Talking to your valium addicted bitch of a mother = 15%.
If you're a cop and dislike the "unloading of the sidearm to my temple" idea, then take your baton and shove it up your ass. You make Darwin squirm in his grave by being alive. For his sake, and the sake of humanity, please kill yourself...at this point, its the only option.
Oh and let me guess your response: "Diamond D-REK, you're getting arrested son!"
On a "serious" note, THANK YOU FFXPD, we have heeded your warnings. If we choose to go on to the property (whether legal or not), so be it. There is no need for you to post anything else.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
walker
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Date: March 17, 2010 11:10PM
Awesome thread....great pics! Me and some of my friends got busted out there in '81 (or maybe it was '82). We got tickets for trespassing and had to go to court.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: March 18, 2010 07:11AM
Oh, Officer, thank God your back! I forgot to tell you earlier, I LOVE red-heads! Can the female cop that cuffs me be a red-head? That would be AWESOME. Maybe she could call me "dirt bag" or "scum" when she shoves me in the back-seat of the squadcar. (Sorry to be so high maintenance, I'm just really looking forward to this!)
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: March 18, 2010 07:45AM
"Hooligans", as opposed to those who appreciate history, are two very different groups of people.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
ohkevy
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Date: March 18, 2010 05:55PM
Very interesting forum here. I looked up information several years ago on the crypts and found nothing so let it go. Finding this rehashes my memories of being their and desires to go back.
I went down in their many times as a pre teen and teenager. If anyone has unanswered questions feel free to ask, I just might be able to help.
BTW, I have been shot at on more than one occasion their back in the day by someone from the house nearby and chased by dogs. Doesn't sound like that goes on anymore from reading this post but visitors were definitely never welcome.
I went down in their many times as a pre teen and teenager. If anyone has unanswered questions feel free to ask, I just might be able to help.
BTW, I have been shot at on more than one occasion their back in the day by someone from the house nearby and chased by dogs. Doesn't sound like that goes on anymore from reading this post but visitors were definitely never welcome.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
super curious
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Date: March 18, 2010 08:01PM
What is you were to contact a college with an anthropology/archaeology department to see if they would be interested in doing a dig? That way, it would be "educational" and done correctly (i.e. no cave ins).
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jimbo
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Date: March 21, 2010 10:49PM
Somebody just go there at night. Be quiet and stealthy and show some sophistication. It would be cool to wear a hockey mask too, so no one would mess with you if it turned out you weren't alone.
If you bring a Sony 'nightshot' camera, you can also see other sources of infra red light used by potential cameras/surveillance equipment (which I doubt is there). That way, you could identify it, disable it or give it the finger.
I don't recall Stumpy ever firing at us but I do remember him setting dogs after us several times. I doubt if that would be the case nowadays, given the huge proliferation in lawyers flying lazy circles over populated areas, waiting for lawsuits from such happenings.
If you bring a Sony 'nightshot' camera, you can also see other sources of infra red light used by potential cameras/surveillance equipment (which I doubt is there). That way, you could identify it, disable it or give it the finger.
I don't recall Stumpy ever firing at us but I do remember him setting dogs after us several times. I doubt if that would be the case nowadays, given the huge proliferation in lawyers flying lazy circles over populated areas, waiting for lawsuits from such happenings.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Youngster
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Date: March 21, 2010 10:50PM
I was just talking to my mother about this and she grew up in the area, went to Lake Braddock, and she said that they partied in the early 80s (1984?) there and called them "The Crypts." She said it was all underground by the time she was there, but they eventually stopped hanging out there because bikers were scaring them out of the area.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
ohh
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Date: March 22, 2010 09:36AM
Quote
What is you were to contact a college with an anthropology/archaeology department to see if they would be interested in doing a dig? That way, it would be "educational" and done correctly (i.e. no cave ins).
that is a very good idea
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 22, 2010 11:33AM
I've been chewing on this idea since it was suggested, but I'm not sure they would think it was worth their time. Now, if a decent amount of those statues/carvings/coffins were still down there (for sure), I can see how they'd be interested in getting their hands dirty. From what we've learned, those items were crafted by some local artists of note and were pretty intricate in detail, but I beleive that most of it was removed prior to the final demolition.
If someone had reasonable evidence to show that some of that stuff was still down there, I agree that you'd stand a chance of getting them involved.
If someone had reasonable evidence to show that some of that stuff was still down there, I agree that you'd stand a chance of getting them involved.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
FFXPD
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Date: March 22, 2010 01:53PM
A friendly reminder that the Fairfax County police dept. continues to monitor this property and is working closely with the church in prosecuting trespassers, vandals and underage drinking.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 22, 2010 02:14PM
Speaking of "friendly", how are the arrangements coming with my arrest by a Red-Headed, frisky, female police officer? You're still gonna come through for me, right?! Don't let me down, man! I'm countin' on ya!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ima Lawyer
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Date: March 22, 2010 02:33PM
I hear ya Barney Fife. Now nip it! Nip it in the bud! By the way, impersonating a police officer is a Federal offense.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
izbad
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Date: March 23, 2010 11:28AM
fascinating thread here. Too bad the morons who are digging don't realize they could be digging through asbestos or some other nasty shit. Do you think that "clean" fill dirt was used to fill that place in so that years later it could be safely dug up? I am interested to know what is left down there but you won't catch me digging in that shit hole!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
inquirer
()
Date: March 24, 2010 05:16AM
Where was the huge crypt Remey had set aside for himself, shown in a couple of the photographs -- where in the plan is this room shown?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: March 26, 2010 10:14PM
I was just there about 2 hours ago. There are wooden posts with caution tape around the hole, and a few "no tresspassing" signs in the vicinity of the hole. I found a "no tresspassing" sign, signed by Pohick church, mutilated, on the ground. I've got it now.
I didn't want to take flash pictures in case I disturbed the rector house, but I intend to take daylight photos when possible.
The crypts have been compromised.
I didn't want to take flash pictures in case I disturbed the rector house, but I intend to take daylight photos when possible.
The crypts have been compromised.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
inquirer
()
Date: March 28, 2010 10:57PM
I'm trying to understand something, as I look at the aerial photographs taken while the place was under construction. Please let me know where I'm off the track. As I understand it, the place was built above ground (or was there an excavation, and things were built below ground level?) and brick walls were built. Part of the entrance was intended to remain above ground, but there were steps leading down into the ground (?) and most of the finished place was supposed to be underground. As the work was being done, the work was in the open air, but eventually a ceiling was built and the whole thing was covered with dirt. Is this correct? Anyway, then the church decided to stop the project, and after Remey got what he wanted out of the place, the church destroyed it with bulldozers. Did the bulldozers get down into the level of construction? Did they knock over the brick walls that were at the underground level? Or did they just fill in the rooms that were below ground level? One of the problems I'm having visualizing all of this is that I don't have a sense of what this place looked like from the side -- how much was above ground, how much below ground; how much was destroyed, how much was filled in with dirt and covered up. For example the "obelisk" shows up as being at one end of the designed complex, in a round room. I gather that meant that when the complex was completed, the obelisk would have been entirely underground, is that correct? But now the obelisk is above ground, which confuses me, because I thought everything was covered over with dirt, and so I thought that everything that was constructed would have been below ground now. Never having been there I can't figure any of this out. And I'm still not clear on where Remey's vault was, in the design. Any help welcome. Thanks
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 29, 2010 07:03AM
I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, but the best way to clear up your confusion is to actually go there. The satellite photos helped me understand the length of the Remeum, but not the elevation. Like I said before, it was quite a climb up the side of the "plateau" that it was built on. It's easily 40 feet off the forest floor. Once on the top you'll also get a better idea of how much dirt they piled on top of that. It was probably about 6 to 8 feet judging from the base of the obelisk at the end.
Just trust me, go for yourself. It's really pretty cool to see what it once was.
Of course, see some of the above threads for the least conspicuous way in.
Just trust me, go for yourself. It's really pretty cool to see what it once was.
Of course, see some of the above threads for the least conspicuous way in.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
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Date: March 29, 2010 09:29AM
Diamond D - Has that whole gotten any bigger with all the rain we have had recently?
By the way I think I ran into you out at the site a few weeks back, we were out there with the dog running around.
By the way I think I ran into you out at the site a few weeks back, we were out there with the dog running around.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
inquirer
()
Date: March 29, 2010 11:18AM
Unfortunately, going there is not an option for me.
I'm further confused by your comment that it was 40 feet off the forest floor, which implies that it's elevated -- but I thought it was underground, below the level of the forest floor. Please be patient with me, I'm just trying to understand. Thanks
I'm further confused by your comment that it was 40 feet off the forest floor, which implies that it's elevated -- but I thought it was underground, below the level of the forest floor. Please be patient with me, I'm just trying to understand. Thanks
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 29, 2010 12:12PM
Don't worry about it man, that's cool. You're dead-on. The whole thing is elevated 40 feet off the forest floor, and a couple of hundred feet from the end with the obelisk to the other end with the vents. That's why it was such a surprise for me, personally, when I got there and found that I had to hike up the side in order to get to it. And, yes, although the whole complex was on a plateau above the forest floor, I think the underground chambers were still about 5 or 10 feet down once you went through the main entrance to the chambers (this, however, is now about 18 below what was dumped ON TOP of the complex).
That's too bad that you're not able to make it out there. My next suggestion would be to simply soak up and enjoy all the photos and scans that have been contributed.
That's too bad that you're not able to make it out there. My next suggestion would be to simply soak up and enjoy all the photos and scans that have been contributed.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Gonads & Strife
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Date: March 29, 2010 12:22PM
FFXPD Wrote:
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> We have access to many things, including your IP
> address. Tread lightly, stay legal.
What a faggot
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> We have access to many things, including your IP
> address. Tread lightly, stay legal.
What a faggot
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
inquirer
()
Date: March 29, 2010 12:22PM
Thanks. And according to what I've read, the obelisk and the vents are now the only things above ground.
And can you identify the location where Remey had his own vault?
I am looking at all the maps and photos, thanks again
And can you identify the location where Remey had his own vault?
I am looking at all the maps and photos, thanks again
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 29, 2010 12:34PM
Actually, I should be careful when I throw around the phrase "underground". As best as I can tell, using the photos throughout this thread as a time-line, the entrance to the Crypts was not always "underground" in the sense that you had to climb down into it.
If we're talking about circa 1950, you could walk into the Crypts like you were walking into the front door of your house, as the entrance door was level with the top of the plataeu (see Hip's photo from Feb. 22 @ 6:41pm, the doorway was between the two lions).
If we're talking about circa late 1970s, then the entrance was basically buried by the first demolition attempt and you had to crawl down inside (see the photo that Cary posted on Dec. 23 @7:01pm. This photo shows the kids crawling down inside, above what used to be the same doorway with the ironwork that you simply walked through in the 50s).
Hopefully that clears up some confusion. Sorry I don't have the computer skills to put the photos side-by-side for you.
If we're talking about circa 1950, you could walk into the Crypts like you were walking into the front door of your house, as the entrance door was level with the top of the plataeu (see Hip's photo from Feb. 22 @ 6:41pm, the doorway was between the two lions).
If we're talking about circa late 1970s, then the entrance was basically buried by the first demolition attempt and you had to crawl down inside (see the photo that Cary posted on Dec. 23 @7:01pm. This photo shows the kids crawling down inside, above what used to be the same doorway with the ironwork that you simply walked through in the 50s).
Hopefully that clears up some confusion. Sorry I don't have the computer skills to put the photos side-by-side for you.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 29, 2010 12:41PM
Honestly, I don't know where Remey wanted his body to be put (seeing as he never go the opportunity). I'd imagine close to his wife, but seeing as I was never down there I don't know where she was eithor. I'm sure someone who was down there back in the day would remember where she was. Maybe the "Remey Chapel", if I had to venture a guess.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
inquirer
()
Date: March 29, 2010 12:53PM
OK. Because two photos show a large ornate stone vault, one with a beer can in it, the other with two guys in front of it (and the beer can) and one posting said that was where Remey was to be buried. But I don't see any identification of that location. Also, in his huge 3 pages of plans (and I gather only one page of that ever got built) I don't see the location where his own grave would be.
If I read the news accounts correctly, he had the remains of family members brought to the Remeum, but then when the dispute came about with the church, he had to remove everything, and I gather all of those people were re-interred elsewhere, including his wife. I think Remey himself died in Italy and I gather is buried there. But I'm interested in where he planned for his own vault. What I'm after is this: Did he really plan this as an extravaganza for his own grave, and everybody else was decoration? Or was this really to honor his entire family, and his own spot in the scheme was just as one family member, without having a particular place of honor. My guess is that he planned the place of honor for himself, but I don't see that in the design.
If I read the news accounts correctly, he had the remains of family members brought to the Remeum, but then when the dispute came about with the church, he had to remove everything, and I gather all of those people were re-interred elsewhere, including his wife. I think Remey himself died in Italy and I gather is buried there. But I'm interested in where he planned for his own vault. What I'm after is this: Did he really plan this as an extravaganza for his own grave, and everybody else was decoration? Or was this really to honor his entire family, and his own spot in the scheme was just as one family member, without having a particular place of honor. My guess is that he planned the place of honor for himself, but I don't see that in the design.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 29, 2010 01:39PM
Yeah, I wish I could place alot of those old-school pictures as to exactly where in the chambers they were, but I'm too young and don't have enough details of the interior.
Some of the answers you might be looking for might be in the "Tales from the Crypt" article on page 1 of this thread. Matt seems to have done a pretty good amount of research as well as having first hand observations, since it was written back in the day. Matt covers how Remey paid tribute to his family throughout history, as well as U.S. history. Also, the plans from his book that were later posted suggest that he'd wanted to include tributes to his Baha'i faith, had the Remeum been completed according to his masterplan.
Some of the answers you might be looking for might be in the "Tales from the Crypt" article on page 1 of this thread. Matt seems to have done a pretty good amount of research as well as having first hand observations, since it was written back in the day. Matt covers how Remey paid tribute to his family throughout history, as well as U.S. history. Also, the plans from his book that were later posted suggest that he'd wanted to include tributes to his Baha'i faith, had the Remeum been completed according to his masterplan.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
inquirer
()
Date: March 29, 2010 06:27PM
Someone mentioned www.norvapics.com at the beginning of page 1 of this thread. Punch in "Remey" in the search box and there are links to 16 images. Has anyone looked at them all?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Sheriff Beauford T. Justice
()
Date: March 29, 2010 08:53PM
Son, the Fahfax po-lice done told you to stay the hell out of that there private property. If I happens to see your slack ass in theah, I will cuff you maself.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: March 30, 2010 07:07AM
inquirer Wrote:
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> Someone mentioned www.norvapics.com at the
> beginning of page 1 of this thread. Punch in
> "Remey" in the search box and there are links to
> 16 images. Has anyone looked at them all?
Don't bother with norvapics.com. I think we actually have most of their good pictures on here anyway(thanks to skills of some of the contributors on this thread). If you wanna see anything else on their site you have to pay for it, whereas here you can get for free. If you've got money to burn, check it out and let us know what they've got...but I don't think it's any better than what on this thread.
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> Someone mentioned www.norvapics.com at the
> beginning of page 1 of this thread. Punch in
> "Remey" in the search box and there are links to
> 16 images. Has anyone looked at them all?
Don't bother with norvapics.com. I think we actually have most of their good pictures on here anyway(thanks to skills of some of the contributors on this thread). If you wanna see anything else on their site you have to pay for it, whereas here you can get for free. If you've got money to burn, check it out and let us know what they've got...but I don't think it's any better than what on this thread.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jimbo
()
Date: March 30, 2010 07:29AM
Charles Remey was to be buried in the large stone sarcophagus with the beer can on it. The date carved onto the sarcophagus matched his birth year (1874). The year of death was not complete, suggesting that he was never placed in the sarcophagus.
Other coffins and sarcophagi were emptied after burial once the fate of the Crypts was in doubt.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Anonymous Fan of Thread
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Date: April 05, 2010 09:43PM
Awesome stuff...keep the thread going. Diamond DRex? What does compromised mean? Post pics if you can.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
inquirer
()
Date: April 05, 2010 10:25PM
Thanks, this is helpful. Now if I can just get an understanding of where in the design that large crypt of his was placed.
There is a 3 page drawing of the overall plan, and I think only the first page of it was ever built. It says at the top,
General Plan
The Remeum
Then at the bottom of the page it says
Entrance
and in between inside the building, it says
Cruciform Enclosure.
Was Remey's big crypt which you've shown here, in that section of the building?
Thanks
There is a 3 page drawing of the overall plan, and I think only the first page of it was ever built. It says at the top,
General Plan
The Remeum
Then at the bottom of the page it says
Entrance
and in between inside the building, it says
Cruciform Enclosure.
Was Remey's big crypt which you've shown here, in that section of the building?
Thanks
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: April 06, 2010 07:55AM
Based on the pictures from page 1 that Cary posted on December 23, 2009 at 7:01pm, it's looks to me like Remey's sarcophagus was on the left once you entered the chamber. I don't think it was that far from the entrance eithor because there's that fancy iron work propped up against the column next to it, which is the same iron work that was once on the main entrance to the chamber.
These are just my observations/guesses. I could be wrong.
Can anyone who was actually there back in the day help us out?
These are just my observations/guesses. I could be wrong.
Can anyone who was actually there back in the day help us out?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
inquirer
()
Date: April 06, 2010 10:13AM
On that drawing, there's the entrance, and above it is an empty white square; and above the empty white square is a square with a circle in it between the words "cruciform" and "enclosure". Are you saying that Remey's vault was in that room, near the empty white square?
Then over to the far left is a separate room kind of hexagonal in shape that says "Something Memorial." I can't make out the first word. Is that where the statue of Admiral and Mrs. Remey was?
Thanks
Then over to the far left is a separate room kind of hexagonal in shape that says "Something Memorial." I can't make out the first word. Is that where the statue of Admiral and Mrs. Remey was?
Thanks
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: April 06, 2010 11:22AM
Let me help you out, because your bearings are a little off.
The area that you're referring to is OUTSIDE/OUTDOORS. The area with the word you can't read with MEMORIAL below it-that's the obelisk, which is on the other end of the complex from the Crypts.
Check out all the hard work that DiamondD-REK did on March 5th. That should clear up any confusion you might be having when reading the plans.
If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that Remey's personal sarcophagus was in the "Tombs" or the "Remey Chapel". But I was never there first-hand, so I couldn't tell you for sure.
The area that you're referring to is OUTSIDE/OUTDOORS. The area with the word you can't read with MEMORIAL below it-that's the obelisk, which is on the other end of the complex from the Crypts.
Check out all the hard work that DiamondD-REK did on March 5th. That should clear up any confusion you might be having when reading the plans.
If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that Remey's personal sarcophagus was in the "Tombs" or the "Remey Chapel". But I was never there first-hand, so I couldn't tell you for sure.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: April 06, 2010 11:25AM
I ran into a buddy of mine the other night and he had his older brother with him who grew up around here in the late 70's. I mentioned the crypts to him and he said he had been in them many times. He described the place just like the pictures I have seen in this thread. He also told me that there were definitely different levels and that he remembered going down to a second and third level a few times but that most of the time everyone hung out and drank in the room we see in all the pictures. I asked him if he had any pic's from back then and he said he would look around and see if he could find any.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
inquirer
()
Date: April 06, 2010 01:22PM
Thanks, that is helpful, looking back at March 5th. So was Remey's vault in the Inner Atrium, or in the Entrance Chamber? And exactly where in that room, using Remey North, Remey South, etc?
Gratefully
Gratefully
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: April 07, 2010 01:21AM
alright guys, sorry i haven't been on here in a while.
1: I'll get the pics with the "no tresspassing" signs & caution tape up by friday
2: BBX: yeah that was me there when you were there as well, 3/6/10. Just me and another dude.
3: no additional digging to the hole between 3/6/10 and 3/29/10 (no tresspassing and caution tape were put up between these days)
4: All indications show CM Remey wanted to be buried there (his potential sarcophagus with unfinished dates, also pics from the obelisk's marble plaques bearing his name and unfinished dates). Obviously, it was (at least partially) demolished by the time of his death.
Here's a map & notes hopefully highlighting the general consensus of this thread. Some things may be considered obvious by veterans of this thread, but again, hopefully this paints the general picture:
1: Again, this is the general consensus, but feel free to copy and adjust if you find any discrepancies.
2: The mound in red is just my estimation. I'm horrible comapring actual distances to maps (ie surveying) so that's just my best guess. Note though that the mound starts Reast of the obelisk and ends abruptly Reast of the underground portion.
3: Obelisk = GCR/MJMR memorial (GCR/MJMR = George Collier Remey/Mary Josephine Mason Remey, Charles Mason Remey's parents; again, see pics of obelisk plaques).
4: 1956JD = 91 entrance; the hole is over the general vicinity of the entrance (a few feet differential max).
5: I have noted the survey markers that say CMR/1937. The mark Rnortheast of the planned underground portion was intentional; i did see a marker in that general vicinity.
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1: I'll get the pics with the "no tresspassing" signs & caution tape up by friday
2: BBX: yeah that was me there when you were there as well, 3/6/10. Just me and another dude.
3: no additional digging to the hole between 3/6/10 and 3/29/10 (no tresspassing and caution tape were put up between these days)
4: All indications show CM Remey wanted to be buried there (his potential sarcophagus with unfinished dates, also pics from the obelisk's marble plaques bearing his name and unfinished dates). Obviously, it was (at least partially) demolished by the time of his death.
Here's a map & notes hopefully highlighting the general consensus of this thread. Some things may be considered obvious by veterans of this thread, but again, hopefully this paints the general picture:
1: Again, this is the general consensus, but feel free to copy and adjust if you find any discrepancies.
2: The mound in red is just my estimation. I'm horrible comapring actual distances to maps (ie surveying) so that's just my best guess. Note though that the mound starts Reast of the obelisk and ends abruptly Reast of the underground portion.
3: Obelisk = GCR/MJMR memorial (GCR/MJMR = George Collier Remey/Mary Josephine Mason Remey, Charles Mason Remey's parents; again, see pics of obelisk plaques).
4: 1956JD = 91 entrance; the hole is over the general vicinity of the entrance (a few feet differential max).
5: I have noted the survey markers that say CMR/1937. The mark Rnortheast of the planned underground portion was intentional; i did see a marker in that general vicinity.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: April 07, 2010 10:44AM
That's awesome, thanks for putting that all together and posting it. I was sort of hoping that with all of the rain we had the hole would have exposed more of that wall and we would be able to better tell what we were looking at. Sounds like they are really watching the place now, it's too bad that a couple people interested in the history of the place and seeing what it looked like are being threatened with prosecution for tramping around on an overgrown mound of dirt in the woods.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Gonads & Strife
()
Date: April 26, 2010 02:23PM
Weather is nicer now...anybody ventured out lately and taken pics?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: April 26, 2010 02:48PM
I've only been that one time after the last snow storm. Now that the weather is warmer I was picking an average of one tick a day off my dog, and that was in my front yard, so I can't imagine what kind of infestation there is at the Crypts. I know it sounds completely wussified, but the last time I got bit by one of those little bastards I thought I was gonna have to commit myself during the 5 months of the most maddening itching you can possibly fathom (No, I didn't get lyme disease).
Hopefully the church has once again forgotten it's there, and it might be safe for someone bathed in OFF to poke around and take some photos for the rest of us.
Hopefully the church has once again forgotten it's there, and it might be safe for someone bathed in OFF to poke around and take some photos for the rest of us.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jimbo
()
Date: April 26, 2010 11:22PM
Do it!! C'mon!! Get out there!!!
We used to go out there at night, braving Stumpy, dogs, cops and fat chicks! We would hide inside the crypt, in the stale darkness,waiting for the cops to leave, as our pants filled...BAH! You know what I mean! Somebody get over there and get some pix of the place.
I'm bored!
We used to go out there at night, braving Stumpy, dogs, cops and fat chicks! We would hide inside the crypt, in the stale darkness,waiting for the cops to leave, as our pants filled...BAH! You know what I mean! Somebody get over there and get some pix of the place.
I'm bored!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Jerk Store
()
Date: April 27, 2010 02:02PM
I love it. The guy who has spent most of this thread attempting to goad others into trespassing can't go himself because he's afraid of ticks. Ha ha ha... Just great.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: April 27, 2010 02:11PM
I actually spent an extensive amount of time there over the winter. If you have any questions for me about the site, fire away.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bob saget
()
Date: May 05, 2010 04:12PM
Hey guys, even if you think it's interesting, it's not public property, and there's nothing left to see. There's no point in going any more, it's just a waste of time. I've learned from this experience.
Start living, or start dying.
Start living, or start dying.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
PleasantlyWeird
()
Date: May 06, 2010 02:13AM
Bob Saget, you RUIN EVERYTHING!!! lol
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
FFXCTYPOLICE
()
Date: May 06, 2010 07:29AM
Bob Saget is working for us now.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: May 06, 2010 07:44AM
Aawww, you sons o' bitches! You had him arrested by the female officer that was supposed to take me down, didn't you?! Do you have any idea how long I was waiting to live out the fantasy of being cuffed by a smokin' hot female cop? No wonder he's workin' for you now! Back to the cold showers for me. You Bastards!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Skavman
()
Date: May 10, 2010 07:19AM
Interesting thread. Late comer, but reading this I can confirm a lot of what has been said. I graduated Lake Braddock in 1979, and I didn't know any of the factual history as presented above, but we heard of this place called the Crypts, so visiting sounded like an adventure. In the 1970s some friends and I went there a couple of times. You crawled down/lowered yourself through some large chunks of bull-dozed rock. Inside the the place was cavernous, with many rooms, statues,etc. When I went, there were groups and kids from other high schools hanging out, Some folks had commandeered certain rooms and were sitting around in passing a bong around and drinking. It was creepy, because we always went at night, parked somewhere near the church and walked through some woods in pitch black to reach the opening. It was never a long stay, as once inside, you were in a sense trapped,if the cops showed. Additionally, you never really knew who you were going to meet walking from room to room. Someone mentioned the Pagans, which would have been a concern running into a group of people who would kick your ass for the hell of it... it was a cool experience and memory. Thanks all for posting the facts and photos.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The bradlick 7-11 gang
()
Date: May 10, 2010 10:24AM
That was us in the room. Fun on Fri & Sat night. Harmless though
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Patrick
()
Date: May 14, 2010 09:55PM
Some friends of mine and I from Gar-Field/Woodbridge used to visit there in the early 80's,around 1982-1983.We never had a problem getting in there,as the hole we would drop down was not that much of a challenge to get out of.When we entered you could move 2 directions,1 straight ahead to a rubble pile that allowed you to enter the cathedrial ceiling area or 2 to your right that would pass by the gates and end up at the rubble pile also.Dirt mounds made this difficult to pass but we were @ 17 yrs old and itdidnot matter.We found that somone hung a shepard(dog)in the passageway,kinda sick huh?
We put many candles out for light,drank beer and had good fun,met some ppl there once and soon they left.We never knew this history ,and thx for the info.
Peace to David,Fernando,Robbie,Fred,and Tom I had fun there shame it's gone :(
We put many candles out for light,drank beer and had good fun,met some ppl there once and soon they left.We never knew this history ,and thx for the info.
Peace to David,Fernando,Robbie,Fred,and Tom I had fun there shame it's gone :(
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: May 18, 2010 09:40PM
Hey these are pictures from 3/26/10 .... another post following..
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DiamondD-REK
()
Date: May 18, 2010 10:06PM
explanation of pictures:
The numbers in the pic show my approximate location of photos one through six, with the aim of the shot represented by the arrows.
1: looking at the spire/obelisk (note to the left of the foremost treetrunk, you can see a CMR/1937 marker).
2: Looking at the hole. In the picture, the gold and black oval is the hole. Pics 2 & 3 are aimed toward the hole.
3: Close up of hole.
4: From the middle-ish area of the cruciform enclosure... not sure where, but ballpark that area.
5: From that general area
6: Same "No Tresspassing" sign from #5, I just moved back 30-40 steps
DiamondD-REK
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The numbers in the pic show my approximate location of photos one through six, with the aim of the shot represented by the arrows.
1: looking at the spire/obelisk (note to the left of the foremost treetrunk, you can see a CMR/1937 marker).
2: Looking at the hole. In the picture, the gold and black oval is the hole. Pics 2 & 3 are aimed toward the hole.
3: Close up of hole.
4: From the middle-ish area of the cruciform enclosure... not sure where, but ballpark that area.
5: From that general area
6: Same "No Tresspassing" sign from #5, I just moved back 30-40 steps
DiamondD-REK
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
kings park 1979
()
Date: May 26, 2010 06:44PM
RotnRik Wrote:
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> "FFXPD 0": the 'NO TRESPASSING' signs didn't stop
> us in the '70s, good luck with your surveillance!
> DON'T SHOOT ANYBODY! The Crypts (THREAT OF PAGANS
> & MUCH LESS, THE COPS) was one true THRILL of my
> childhood. The last entrance I found was about 1/2
> way down the south wall at the top edge of the
> site, that was in the early '80s. ONE LEVEL was
> all we ever found. WE WERE JUST KIDS HAVIN' FUN,
> MAN THAT JOINT WAS COOL!!!!!...RotnRik...BURKE
> BROS...
FUNNY ROTNRIK,or should we say "stanley"
you were never a burke bro
-------------------------------------------------------
> "FFXPD 0": the 'NO TRESPASSING' signs didn't stop
> us in the '70s, good luck with your surveillance!
> DON'T SHOOT ANYBODY! The Crypts (THREAT OF PAGANS
> & MUCH LESS, THE COPS) was one true THRILL of my
> childhood. The last entrance I found was about 1/2
> way down the south wall at the top edge of the
> site, that was in the early '80s. ONE LEVEL was
> all we ever found. WE WERE JUST KIDS HAVIN' FUN,
> MAN THAT JOINT WAS COOL!!!!!...RotnRik...BURKE
> BROS...
FUNNY ROTNRIK,or should we say "stanley"
you were never a burke bro
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
kingspark
()
Date: May 26, 2010 06:53PM
RotnRik Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "FFXPD 0": the 'NO TRESPASSING' signs didn't stop
> us in the '70s, good luck with your surveillance!
> DON'T SHOOT ANYBODY! The Crypts (THREAT OF PAGANS
> & MUCH LESS, THE COPS) was one true THRILL of my
> childhood. The last entrance I found was about 1/2
> way down the south wall at the top edge of the
> site, that was in the early '80s. ONE LEVEL was
> all we ever found. WE WERE JUST KIDS HAVIN' FUN,
> MAN THAT JOINT WAS COOL!!!!!...RotnRik...BURKE
> BROS...
funny.... mr rick stanley from danbury forest
YOU were never one of the
Burke Bros lol
-------------------------------------------------------
> "FFXPD 0": the 'NO TRESPASSING' signs didn't stop
> us in the '70s, good luck with your surveillance!
> DON'T SHOOT ANYBODY! The Crypts (THREAT OF PAGANS
> & MUCH LESS, THE COPS) was one true THRILL of my
> childhood. The last entrance I found was about 1/2
> way down the south wall at the top edge of the
> site, that was in the early '80s. ONE LEVEL was
> all we ever found. WE WERE JUST KIDS HAVIN' FUN,
> MAN THAT JOINT WAS COOL!!!!!...RotnRik...BURKE
> BROS...
funny.... mr rick stanley from danbury forest
YOU were never one of the
Burke Bros lol
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Making_stuff
()
Date: May 26, 2010 07:35PM
This is really cool, guys. Thanks for the heads up on it.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
TombRaider
()
Date: May 27, 2010 09:11AM
I must say im very impressed with all the work everyone has done on this.
here is my insight on the crypts.
personaly i have been there many times before most of you were born. i have sat infront of the cinder block wall after it was erected and watched as someone broke a hole threw it about the size of a basket ball. on the other side is dirt, why? because there are actually two walls of cinder block on either side of the vent. the vent was used to fill in the space with dirt. your calculations of the vents are only off by a few feet.
as for the area from the rotunda to the baha'i sanctuary,
its all there!
on either side of the baha'i sanctuary there are spiral stair cases leeding to lower levels.
the whole structure was made of brick, so why the cinderblock wall?
it was put there after two girls got lost down in the lower levels and didnt make it out alive.
how can this be verified?
in gmu hokie's feb 19 2010 post it was said that 15 were disintered from the crypt
but his wife was left, thats 16 and he ( mr remy) would have had a place for himself too, thats 17 that we know of.
you guys are smart i can tell, so if the cinderblock wall is the end, where did they keep all those bodys?
now that being said, look at the plans, if its all there i still only count 8 tombs. plus, when building something like this you plan for the future and future burials, correct?
so if there were 17 ,at least, then we know the full first level past the wall exists. if so, so do the spiral stair cases leeding to lowerlevels where 7 more bodys were placed.
i do wish you luck,
even my 17year old after reading all this said, " i wanna go"
even if the entrance chamber still exists ,intact, or hasnt been backfilled with dirt. you still have to get threw the cinderblock walls past the first tombs.
if you do get down there,
and i actualy hope you do
and you make it past the wall,
do yourselfs a favor and take a few small parakeets in cages, the air might be really bad so you know when to get out.
another hint, if your going to dig a hole take a few plywood boards and some hard as nails glue out there and camo the holes so they cant be found by covering the boards with glue and then dirt and leaves and branches.
oh and leave a note for someone just incase you dont return and it ends up being your resting place.
hope i was of some what help
good luck keep posting id love to see if you make it
here is my insight on the crypts.
personaly i have been there many times before most of you were born. i have sat infront of the cinder block wall after it was erected and watched as someone broke a hole threw it about the size of a basket ball. on the other side is dirt, why? because there are actually two walls of cinder block on either side of the vent. the vent was used to fill in the space with dirt. your calculations of the vents are only off by a few feet.
as for the area from the rotunda to the baha'i sanctuary,
its all there!
on either side of the baha'i sanctuary there are spiral stair cases leeding to lower levels.
the whole structure was made of brick, so why the cinderblock wall?
it was put there after two girls got lost down in the lower levels and didnt make it out alive.
how can this be verified?
in gmu hokie's feb 19 2010 post it was said that 15 were disintered from the crypt
but his wife was left, thats 16 and he ( mr remy) would have had a place for himself too, thats 17 that we know of.
you guys are smart i can tell, so if the cinderblock wall is the end, where did they keep all those bodys?
now that being said, look at the plans, if its all there i still only count 8 tombs. plus, when building something like this you plan for the future and future burials, correct?
so if there were 17 ,at least, then we know the full first level past the wall exists. if so, so do the spiral stair cases leeding to lowerlevels where 7 more bodys were placed.
i do wish you luck,
even my 17year old after reading all this said, " i wanna go"
even if the entrance chamber still exists ,intact, or hasnt been backfilled with dirt. you still have to get threw the cinderblock walls past the first tombs.
if you do get down there,
and i actualy hope you do
and you make it past the wall,
do yourselfs a favor and take a few small parakeets in cages, the air might be really bad so you know when to get out.
another hint, if your going to dig a hole take a few plywood boards and some hard as nails glue out there and camo the holes so they cant be found by covering the boards with glue and then dirt and leaves and branches.
oh and leave a note for someone just incase you dont return and it ends up being your resting place.
hope i was of some what help
good luck keep posting id love to see if you make it
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: May 27, 2010 10:10AM
Let make sure I understand what you're saying. When they were demolishing The Crypts, they took the time to dump dirt down a couple of 9"x9" flu-tiles to fill in chambers below that were at least 15 feet deep and 12 feet across?! Not to mention that I had to climb up the side of the vent and wedge my upper body inside just to get a peep down the flus, so how would you get all that dirt down there? Do you have any idea how long that would take and how big of a pain in the ass it would be? They sure as hell didn't take the tops of the vents off, that's apparent from the recent trips we've made out there.
And as for your claim about the 2 girls that got lost down there, there was nothing mentioned in Hokie's post about them. You need to provide evidence of both the lower levels, and the missing girls (I think we would have heard about the girls LONG ago). If kids had gone missing down there, this county wouldn't have just sealed the place up and knocked down a few walls, there would be a huge patch of asphalt, level with the forest floor where The Crypts had once been (this is Fairfax County for Christ's sake, their children are the salt of the Earth as far as they're concerned. They would then also make it a felony to even talk about The Crypts from that day forth).
And as for your claim about the 2 girls that got lost down there, there was nothing mentioned in Hokie's post about them. You need to provide evidence of both the lower levels, and the missing girls (I think we would have heard about the girls LONG ago). If kids had gone missing down there, this county wouldn't have just sealed the place up and knocked down a few walls, there would be a huge patch of asphalt, level with the forest floor where The Crypts had once been (this is Fairfax County for Christ's sake, their children are the salt of the Earth as far as they're concerned. They would then also make it a felony to even talk about The Crypts from that day forth).
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
TombRaider
()
Date: May 27, 2010 12:01PM
Doubt my information if you will
but i have actually been down there.
have you?
if you make it to the cinderblock wall you will see the hole and the dirt on the other side. then you tell me how dirt gets filled between two walls if not the vent.
this was done long long before everything was covered up as you see it today.
to quote you the sculler
"we're talking about circa late 1970s, then the entrance was basically buried by the first demolition attempt"
i was there from 1975 - 1980
i saw it all
how old were you then?
just a question what do you see at the bottum of the vent?
go to page 3 march 7th 2 pictures from diamond d rex took 3/16/10
its not only beer cans is it?
so how did the dirt get there?
i never said it was done with a backhoe but one shovel at a time.
whether this is true doesnt matter till you get there then its your problem to solve.
its not a big wall length wise is it. look at the 4th picture on page 1 posted by cary dec 23/ 09
there are no other cinderblock walls in the structure
im not here to argue
i still dont hear any explanation of where the 16 bodys were kept
one vault was empty marked 1874- 19 that was his. the other vault in the other room was hers which they left till she was moved to pohick church.
so who were the 15? where did they lay in the remeum? we have record of them being moved to ny in countless articles.
my posts are ment to help
i would dare to say i bet there are thousands who have sat in there who would agree with me.
oh yes that is fairfax county but did you live there in the 1970's?
about the two girls.
look for what you can, if there is record of it, it will be on micrifiche.
but then we are not here to disprove the two girls or the pagans who took them there are we?
your here to actually get in where ive been. right?
you will, if, you get to the first tombs you will want to see whats behind the wall many have tried.
i have no reason to lie
im just glad to see someone remembers
i do admire the research you have done.
but i have actually been down there.
have you?
if you make it to the cinderblock wall you will see the hole and the dirt on the other side. then you tell me how dirt gets filled between two walls if not the vent.
this was done long long before everything was covered up as you see it today.
to quote you the sculler
"we're talking about circa late 1970s, then the entrance was basically buried by the first demolition attempt"
i was there from 1975 - 1980
i saw it all
how old were you then?
just a question what do you see at the bottum of the vent?
go to page 3 march 7th 2 pictures from diamond d rex took 3/16/10
its not only beer cans is it?
so how did the dirt get there?
i never said it was done with a backhoe but one shovel at a time.
whether this is true doesnt matter till you get there then its your problem to solve.
its not a big wall length wise is it. look at the 4th picture on page 1 posted by cary dec 23/ 09
there are no other cinderblock walls in the structure
im not here to argue
i still dont hear any explanation of where the 16 bodys were kept
one vault was empty marked 1874- 19 that was his. the other vault in the other room was hers which they left till she was moved to pohick church.
so who were the 15? where did they lay in the remeum? we have record of them being moved to ny in countless articles.
my posts are ment to help
i would dare to say i bet there are thousands who have sat in there who would agree with me.
oh yes that is fairfax county but did you live there in the 1970's?
about the two girls.
look for what you can, if there is record of it, it will be on micrifiche.
but then we are not here to disprove the two girls or the pagans who took them there are we?
your here to actually get in where ive been. right?
you will, if, you get to the first tombs you will want to see whats behind the wall many have tried.
i have no reason to lie
im just glad to see someone remembers
i do admire the research you have done.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
TombRaider
()
Date: May 27, 2010 12:36PM
oh and yes thats exactly what fairfax county would do in 1968.
try to keep it quiet so more kids wouldnt go there and get hurt.
call in Architects to advise them to wall the major part up till she can be moved.
Federal District Court in 1968 gave Remey until April 1973 to remove anything he wanted from the mausoleum, thereafter ownership reverted to the church. Relatives had 15 burials removed to Pompey, N. Y., and by 1973, the year the building was demolished, only Remey's wife GERTRUDE was still there. Her remains were reinterred at Pohick Church before demolition began.
theres a 6 year gap
its all very sad if you think of it the woman took her own life in the first year of there marrage. no wonder he didnt want to move here.
thus the wall was put up between where her tomb (mrs remy) and the others
untill he buried her at pohick church. the front was bulldozed to block the entrance. but unlike every article says it wasnt demolished the first time, or the second time.
they are not going to turn it into a parking lot its private property and pohick church doesnt have that kind of money.
they cover it up and hope it goes away, there politicians, come on that's what they all do.
but it didnt go away and we all got in agian, just as you try now.
so they covered it up better and it worked for a while,
till now.
i dont make this stuff up
try to keep it quiet so more kids wouldnt go there and get hurt.
call in Architects to advise them to wall the major part up till she can be moved.
Federal District Court in 1968 gave Remey until April 1973 to remove anything he wanted from the mausoleum, thereafter ownership reverted to the church. Relatives had 15 burials removed to Pompey, N. Y., and by 1973, the year the building was demolished, only Remey's wife GERTRUDE was still there. Her remains were reinterred at Pohick Church before demolition began.
theres a 6 year gap
its all very sad if you think of it the woman took her own life in the first year of there marrage. no wonder he didnt want to move here.
thus the wall was put up between where her tomb (mrs remy) and the others
untill he buried her at pohick church. the front was bulldozed to block the entrance. but unlike every article says it wasnt demolished the first time, or the second time.
they are not going to turn it into a parking lot its private property and pohick church doesnt have that kind of money.
they cover it up and hope it goes away, there politicians, come on that's what they all do.
but it didnt go away and we all got in agian, just as you try now.
so they covered it up better and it worked for a while,
till now.
i dont make this stuff up
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: May 27, 2010 01:05PM
I tend to believe the multiple level theory since I have heard about them existing from my friends older brother and another friends older sister who actually first told us about this place. They both claim that there were multiple levels accessed by sets of stairs, next time I talk to them I will inquire as to whether they remember these being spiral stair cases or what.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
TombRaider
()
Date: May 27, 2010 01:26PM
sculler, your proof that you need
is called process of elimination.
you eliminate the 15 bodys and where there were kept in the crypt.
then i will eliminate the claim of the fact backed up by the plans that something exists behind the wall.
you dont bury 15 bodys in two tombs
you just cant brush away 15 bodys quoted in :
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/branches/vr/cem/cem100.htm
you wish to think its a cosy two person crypt its up to you.
from what ive read so far it looks like everyone here is insearch of fact and truth.
you just cant find a place for those 15 now can you?
people build these things for future and past family members.
are there lower levels?
up to you to find out
but you tell me when you get to that wall, your going to stop?
will you go further?
post a pic when you get there.
we all want to see.
now stop typeing and dig.
or walk away and wonder the rest of your life.
im on your side i hope you make it
if you dont die trying or get caught.
is called process of elimination.
you eliminate the 15 bodys and where there were kept in the crypt.
then i will eliminate the claim of the fact backed up by the plans that something exists behind the wall.
you dont bury 15 bodys in two tombs
you just cant brush away 15 bodys quoted in :
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/branches/vr/cem/cem100.htm
you wish to think its a cosy two person crypt its up to you.
from what ive read so far it looks like everyone here is insearch of fact and truth.
you just cant find a place for those 15 now can you?
people build these things for future and past family members.
are there lower levels?
up to you to find out
but you tell me when you get to that wall, your going to stop?
will you go further?
post a pic when you get there.
we all want to see.
now stop typeing and dig.
or walk away and wonder the rest of your life.
im on your side i hope you make it
if you dont die trying or get caught.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
TombRaider
()
Date: May 27, 2010 01:44PM
thankyou BB*X
i have never seen the plans before coming to this web sight
look for the two round things that look like steps on either side of the baha'i sanctuary, remy east, on all of the plans posted here.
some wont believe anyway.
i say, "dig and find out if you doubt"
for me its one of those been there done that your turn things.
talks cheap start digging
i have never seen the plans before coming to this web sight
look for the two round things that look like steps on either side of the baha'i sanctuary, remy east, on all of the plans posted here.
some wont believe anyway.
i say, "dig and find out if you doubt"
for me its one of those been there done that your turn things.
talks cheap start digging
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: May 27, 2010 02:40PM
TombRaider, you've made your point very clear: I doubted you and there's only way to know for sure...dig. I understand.
I won't be digging, not in the near future. My hat's off to those who have, you're ballsier than I am.
As for the multiple levels: a couple of people who've been down there (not myself, obviously) had said there was only one, and I had accepted that as truth after some reasoning and tales of Pagans throwing dynomite down there (which would lead to believe that everything would have collapsed in on itself). But now that I've taken a step back and reconsidered, the entire structure is in fact on a plateau that's a good 30 feet high. Could it be hollow and contain multiple levels? Now that I've reconsidered, sure, why not? It seems like it could be possible.
As for the missing girls: now that I know that the Pagans were possibly involved in their dissappearance, it's likely they weren't really missed.
As for the 15 or so bodies that were down there at one point: I'm honestly not to concerned about them, I'm really only interested with what's down there now. Judging from the diagram that Jr007 put all that hard work into, the underground portion that was accessible back in the day seems like it would hold that many, but I've never been so I don't know.
I guess I'll bite on the "one shovel at a time" idea of them filling the chambers through the flues, but it just seems to me like it would've made more sense just to collapse the whole thing.
So I apologize if I offended you when I doubted you, I just rely heavily on hard evidence. And as you've noted, this thread is pretty long and full of quite alot of claims, so establishing fact from fiction has gotten kind of exhausting for those that are really into it. However, you could argue that I'm not one to establish anything since I've never been down there and don't intend on digging. I try and contribute through this thread with what I can find on the internet and the time I spent out there back in March, but I don't have the time or the balls to dig. It seems pretty dangerous for someone armed with only a shovel.
I won't be digging, not in the near future. My hat's off to those who have, you're ballsier than I am.
As for the multiple levels: a couple of people who've been down there (not myself, obviously) had said there was only one, and I had accepted that as truth after some reasoning and tales of Pagans throwing dynomite down there (which would lead to believe that everything would have collapsed in on itself). But now that I've taken a step back and reconsidered, the entire structure is in fact on a plateau that's a good 30 feet high. Could it be hollow and contain multiple levels? Now that I've reconsidered, sure, why not? It seems like it could be possible.
As for the missing girls: now that I know that the Pagans were possibly involved in their dissappearance, it's likely they weren't really missed.
As for the 15 or so bodies that were down there at one point: I'm honestly not to concerned about them, I'm really only interested with what's down there now. Judging from the diagram that Jr007 put all that hard work into, the underground portion that was accessible back in the day seems like it would hold that many, but I've never been so I don't know.
I guess I'll bite on the "one shovel at a time" idea of them filling the chambers through the flues, but it just seems to me like it would've made more sense just to collapse the whole thing.
So I apologize if I offended you when I doubted you, I just rely heavily on hard evidence. And as you've noted, this thread is pretty long and full of quite alot of claims, so establishing fact from fiction has gotten kind of exhausting for those that are really into it. However, you could argue that I'm not one to establish anything since I've never been down there and don't intend on digging. I try and contribute through this thread with what I can find on the internet and the time I spent out there back in March, but I don't have the time or the balls to dig. It seems pretty dangerous for someone armed with only a shovel.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
TombRaider
()
Date: May 27, 2010 02:56PM
food for thought:
it took from 1939-1948 to build the remeum
more than 2 million bricks
thats 9 long years
if theres not more, what took 9 years?
the empire state building only took 1 year 45 days
Remey was an architect of international reputation.
come on guys a two room crypt would have took him 6 months to a year at most if even that.
9 years?
it took from 1939-1948 to build the remeum
more than 2 million bricks
thats 9 long years
if theres not more, what took 9 years?
the empire state building only took 1 year 45 days
Remey was an architect of international reputation.
come on guys a two room crypt would have took him 6 months to a year at most if even that.
9 years?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
TombRaider
()
Date: May 27, 2010 03:28PM
i agree with you sculler.
in my time in highschool i could have easly got 10 teens out there at night to dig it up. in fact thats how it was done the first time.
the 15 are important because there arent that many tombs on the first level.
secondly you must factor in the 9 years to build.
i will say this im a old guy now, but if you do make it down there ever. i promise you will remember that place till the day you die.
i have watched many a person freak out down there,
you can not see your hand in front of your face. your light goes out and god help you getting out. there is no sound. and every sound you do hear will make your hair stand straight up and if you have never smelled death you will smell it there.
this was a beautiful place violated, a place of eternal rest for at least 16 people, one of whom committed suicide. this is no place for the faint at heart.
scary is quite the understatment
no offence taken by me
i hope you get to experience it
this is where we hung out
in my time in highschool i could have easly got 10 teens out there at night to dig it up. in fact thats how it was done the first time.
the 15 are important because there arent that many tombs on the first level.
secondly you must factor in the 9 years to build.
i will say this im a old guy now, but if you do make it down there ever. i promise you will remember that place till the day you die.
i have watched many a person freak out down there,
you can not see your hand in front of your face. your light goes out and god help you getting out. there is no sound. and every sound you do hear will make your hair stand straight up and if you have never smelled death you will smell it there.
this was a beautiful place violated, a place of eternal rest for at least 16 people, one of whom committed suicide. this is no place for the faint at heart.
scary is quite the understatment
no offence taken by me
i hope you get to experience it
this is where we hung out
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
496
()
Date: May 27, 2010 03:50PM
Tomb,
You seem to be a person who may have done alot of drugs in his time. Am I on target here?
You seem to be a person who may have done alot of drugs in his time. Am I on target here?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
TombRaider
()
Date: May 27, 2010 05:48PM
sorry 496 you would be very far from your target.
even growing up in the 60's and 70s i never got into the drug thing any more than anyone else my age. i did watch many a friend destroy there life with drugs.
most people that i knew that did drugs smoked a joint or drank beer at a party on weekends once in a while and trust me they all did it. this all pales in comparison to todays standards.
we never saw the crack or heroin or cocaine or ice that the kids are into today
we spend most of our time taking girls to the crypts back then.
it was a lot less expensive than a horror movie and a hundred times more scary.
funny but you might be surprised at just how many knew and went there.
everyone knew about the dark history it had, where today you may be the only kids who know. this was a overwhelmingly popular place.
you dont ask your brothers or sisters about it ,
you ask your parents, maybe they did a lot of drugs
they were the ones who were there. it was 30-40 years ago
even growing up in the 60's and 70s i never got into the drug thing any more than anyone else my age. i did watch many a friend destroy there life with drugs.
most people that i knew that did drugs smoked a joint or drank beer at a party on weekends once in a while and trust me they all did it. this all pales in comparison to todays standards.
we never saw the crack or heroin or cocaine or ice that the kids are into today
we spend most of our time taking girls to the crypts back then.
it was a lot less expensive than a horror movie and a hundred times more scary.
funny but you might be surprised at just how many knew and went there.
everyone knew about the dark history it had, where today you may be the only kids who know. this was a overwhelmingly popular place.
you dont ask your brothers or sisters about it ,
you ask your parents, maybe they did a lot of drugs
they were the ones who were there. it was 30-40 years ago
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
TombRaider
()
Date: May 27, 2010 06:06PM
oh by the way 496:
ive read a few of your posts elsewhere you seem to have a lot of nothing to say.
you seem to have quite a lot of time on your hands too.
2824 posts wow,
are you going for a record?
others have been respectful to each other
lets try to keep it that way
ive read a few of your posts elsewhere you seem to have a lot of nothing to say.
you seem to have quite a lot of time on your hands too.
2824 posts wow,
are you going for a record?
others have been respectful to each other
lets try to keep it that way
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: May 28, 2010 07:09AM
I overlooked/forgot that it took 9 years to build (there's a helluva lot of info on this thread, I can't keep track). But you bring up another good point when you take into account that it took 9 years to construct and that the whole structure is so high off the forest floor. The combination of the two facts would make it likely that there could be multiple levels, I should've considered it before.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
TombRaider
()
Date: May 28, 2010 08:03AM
if i were planing to dig. i would start at the rnorth/reast end near what was called the st. andrew chapel. if you find a wall there and break threw its on the far side of the mound from the church where you have less chance to be seen and you will be going in a area that was allways covered and farthest away from any bulldozer damage/cave in. you then may just walk into a part rarely seen by many and therfore bypassing the cinderblock wall alltogether. could'nt be to hard to find if you use long metal rods to probe threw the soil till you find the structure underneith, marking what you have found as you go.then the outline will be aparent. start at the vents and probe outward a few feet at a time.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brain
()
Date: June 04, 2010 06:26PM
Just an observation. Am I correct to say that the original lay of the land was pretty flat? The aerial photos would indicate that the Remeum complex (as it sat) was originally at one overall elevation. If the memorial towers base is the basic original elevation for the entire complex, then it should be possible to take an elevation survey that could tell you how much earth was heaped onto the main burial structure - since the first attempt to bury it. Also, if you can get an accurate height measurement of the tower you should be able to use it as a guideline for distances and locations. Would it be possible to take GPS readings at some of the main points in the area, especially at the tower and vent chimneys? And then to figure out where these points are on a map?
Why would they have heaped more earth onto the location of the structure when they supposedly went in to demolish it. You would have thought they would have taken the property back down to the original surface elevation. Why do half a job. And why leave the vent chimneys if everything else was destroyed? Instead of demolishing the structure it appears they may have gone back and finished the job of burying it. Why bulldoze 10 more feet of earth onto the top of a leveled demolition, far above the surrounding land? It makes no sense to me.
If the original plot of land the Remeum sat on was flat, then take elevation readings to see how high the mound is off the original level. This will tell you if a 20? foot high structure might be buried there, under 10 feet of earth.
No digging required, and would reveal a wealth of information fairly safely. Take your binoculars and a GPS and do some innocent birdwatching.
Is the mound over the Remeums original location 30 feet higher than the original surface level?....................Cheers
Why would they have heaped more earth onto the location of the structure when they supposedly went in to demolish it. You would have thought they would have taken the property back down to the original surface elevation. Why do half a job. And why leave the vent chimneys if everything else was destroyed? Instead of demolishing the structure it appears they may have gone back and finished the job of burying it. Why bulldoze 10 more feet of earth onto the top of a leveled demolition, far above the surrounding land? It makes no sense to me.
If the original plot of land the Remeum sat on was flat, then take elevation readings to see how high the mound is off the original level. This will tell you if a 20? foot high structure might be buried there, under 10 feet of earth.
No digging required, and would reveal a wealth of information fairly safely. Take your binoculars and a GPS and do some innocent birdwatching.
Is the mound over the Remeums original location 30 feet higher than the original surface level?....................Cheers
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
TombRaider
()
Date: June 07, 2010 10:57AM
everyone keeps asking, "why would they cover over the structure instead of just bulldozing it down"?
some useful history might be helpful to all of you.
when the motorcycle gang "the pegans" originaly got in that place they destroyed and desecrated it.
they destroyed caskets and vaults with bodys in them. there were small BONES and small pieces of marble scattered everywhere. the family was able to recover only partial remains of 15 bodys some of which were in urns as ashes. there are still parts of remains still in the tomb itself.
it is still a active grave that, by law, they are not able to destroy.
so it was covered over. the land wont be sold or destroyed, they just hope it will be forgotten and whats left will rest in peace.
if memory serves me well , and it was a very long time ago, walking into the woods from rt. 1 you gradually walked down into a v shaped crevasse at the mouth of the v was the entrance and the majority of the tomb was originaly dug in tward the point of the v and then buryed upon completion.it was 30 feet high at the entrance and had five underground levels tward the rear past the calvary corridor down two spiral stair cases flanking the baha'i sanctuary. the vents are the top of the original mound which was extended later on tward the obolisk. (see v shape shaded area in enclosed picture)
from what i can see by the pictures that were took here, what was burried is the open courtyard and main entrance out to the obolisk.
of course i have not been there last since the late 70s early 80s. hope i was somewhat helpful.
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some useful history might be helpful to all of you.
when the motorcycle gang "the pegans" originaly got in that place they destroyed and desecrated it.
they destroyed caskets and vaults with bodys in them. there were small BONES and small pieces of marble scattered everywhere. the family was able to recover only partial remains of 15 bodys some of which were in urns as ashes. there are still parts of remains still in the tomb itself.
it is still a active grave that, by law, they are not able to destroy.
so it was covered over. the land wont be sold or destroyed, they just hope it will be forgotten and whats left will rest in peace.
if memory serves me well , and it was a very long time ago, walking into the woods from rt. 1 you gradually walked down into a v shaped crevasse at the mouth of the v was the entrance and the majority of the tomb was originaly dug in tward the point of the v and then buryed upon completion.it was 30 feet high at the entrance and had five underground levels tward the rear past the calvary corridor down two spiral stair cases flanking the baha'i sanctuary. the vents are the top of the original mound which was extended later on tward the obolisk. (see v shape shaded area in enclosed picture)
from what i can see by the pictures that were took here, what was burried is the open courtyard and main entrance out to the obolisk.
of course i have not been there last since the late 70s early 80s. hope i was somewhat helpful.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Why
()
Date: June 13, 2010 12:02AM
Anyone know why Bob Saget removed his posts from this thread and the urban exploration thread? I read them all night and missed some good pics. Did he get in some trouble?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Maverick
()
Date: June 13, 2010 09:43AM
I'm the guy holding the flashlight in the newspaper article posted earlier. It was after midnight around 1980-81? We just walked in with our lights off and the guy who had been there before (Chris J.) knew the barking dogs were tied up so it was nothing to worry about. The pictures show pretty much all there was to see. We decended into the main hallway and there were a few rooms and platforms where coffins would have been layed to rest. The large sarcophagus was really the only thing to see down there. I don't remember it being as large an underground structure as some of the diagrams here indicate. We only explored a few rooms. If there was more it had already been sealed off or didn't exist in the first place. The whole place was falling down back then so whatever's left underground has got to be extremely unstable. I hope they filled it in to prevent a collapse. Even then there was nothing of value down there. The artwork had all been destroyed or defaced and the structure was falling apart. It was dangerous then and, if there is any chamber left open underground it's certainly a death trap today. Be careful.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
hmmmm
()
Date: June 13, 2010 12:08PM
Why Wrote:
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> Anyone know why Bob Saget removed his posts from
> this thread and the urban exploration thread? I
> read them all night and missed some good pics.
> Did he get in some trouble?
I agree. What's up w/Bob. I'd love to see this place
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> Anyone know why Bob Saget removed his posts from
> this thread and the urban exploration thread? I
> read them all night and missed some good pics.
> Did he get in some trouble?
I agree. What's up w/Bob. I'd love to see this place
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
hmmmm
()
Date: June 13, 2010 12:10PM
Why Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Anyone know why Bob Saget removed his posts from
> this thread and the urban exploration thread? I
> read them all night and missed some good pics.
> Did he get in some trouble?
I agree. What's up w/Bob. I'd love to see this place
-------------------------------------------------------
> Anyone know why Bob Saget removed his posts from
> this thread and the urban exploration thread? I
> read them all night and missed some good pics.
> Did he get in some trouble?
I agree. What's up w/Bob. I'd love to see this place
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Contros of the Star Quyzest
()
Date: June 14, 2010 02:37AM
Shit brain indefinite! Intestinal logic gives the mind the food of Qyzar. Antidotes are a given practice in our culture but the clause of humanity states we as a people must beholden to the starship of Mother Quyzar. She make it all okay and the rings of Saturn bless us fruitfully and fitfully. And yes, we drink the urine of our loins,and it gives good delight in health store. It is a true fact. The Brothers of Quyzar all live the same age for eternity. Bless the rings of Saturn! Give unto the space breeze we blow heretofore. Cunning are the warlocks of earth. Keep watch for the mongoose neck. It despises your inner sanctum and will cut to your quick if you speak ill of your love for Quyzar.
I believe in the truth of the Fairfax. We are beginning of a new generation. We begin here in the Fairfax with the blessing of the rings of Saturn. The darlings living amongst us with Quyzar rings for delight. Dancing in merriment without shoes. And giving alms to the brothers of Quyzar. This we do constantly and forever.
We will explore the Remey Crypt with the blessing of Quyzar. The rings of Saturn will protect us from church beings and all that prohibit the sealing of our fate in these crypts of paradise. Give happiness to a man and the ceiling of his surrounding will be painted with everlasting sperm of life. We will depart for explorations soon as of the yesterday. The abandoned Remey crypts will be our life. We will explore and return with love and spread forthcoming pictures of our venture in the end times of Saturn ring no. 3. With outstretched arms we ask that Quyzar give us courage to enliven the crypt that must be ours.
With protection of the blessings, the walls of Remey crypt will face the burden of our love. Only with Quyzar may we perfect in richness and impart this mission with the gathering of the ghost of Master Remey, now inhabitant halterest of the cronos of star Quyzest. He is with us. And we shall bestow light to the darkness below.
With thankful silence to those advice of the REmey crypt. Sincerely, brothers of the Fairfax, Quyzar Tradition.
I believe in the truth of the Fairfax. We are beginning of a new generation. We begin here in the Fairfax with the blessing of the rings of Saturn. The darlings living amongst us with Quyzar rings for delight. Dancing in merriment without shoes. And giving alms to the brothers of Quyzar. This we do constantly and forever.
We will explore the Remey Crypt with the blessing of Quyzar. The rings of Saturn will protect us from church beings and all that prohibit the sealing of our fate in these crypts of paradise. Give happiness to a man and the ceiling of his surrounding will be painted with everlasting sperm of life. We will depart for explorations soon as of the yesterday. The abandoned Remey crypts will be our life. We will explore and return with love and spread forthcoming pictures of our venture in the end times of Saturn ring no. 3. With outstretched arms we ask that Quyzar give us courage to enliven the crypt that must be ours.
With protection of the blessings, the walls of Remey crypt will face the burden of our love. Only with Quyzar may we perfect in richness and impart this mission with the gathering of the ghost of Master Remey, now inhabitant halterest of the cronos of star Quyzest. He is with us. And we shall bestow light to the darkness below.
With thankful silence to those advice of the REmey crypt. Sincerely, brothers of the Fairfax, Quyzar Tradition.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Contros of the Star Quyzest
()
Date: June 14, 2010 02:39AM
Conquest destiny undone! Intestinal logic gives the mind the food of Qyzar. Antidotes are a given practice in our culture but the clause of humanity states we as a people must beholden to the starship of Mother Quyzar. She make it all okay and the rings of Saturn bless us fruitfully and fitfully. And yes, we drink the urine of our loins,and it gives good delight in health store. It is a true fact. The Brothers of Quyzar all live the same age for eternity. Bless the rings of Saturn! Give unto the space breeze we blow heretofore. Cunning are the warlocks of earth. Keep watch for the mongoose neck. It despises your inner sanctum and will cut to your quick if you speak ill of your love for Quyzar.
I believe in the truth of the Fairfax. We are beginning of a new generation. We begin here in the Fairfax with the blessing of the rings of Saturn. The darlings living amongst us with Quyzar rings for delight. Dancing in merriment without shoes. And giving alms to the brothers of Quyzar. This we do constantly and forever.
We will explore the Remey Crypt with the blessing of Quyzar. The rings of Saturn will protect us from church beings and all that prohibit the sealing of our fate in these crypts of paradise. Give happiness to a man and the ceiling of his surrounding will be painted with everlasting sperm of life. We will depart for explorations soon as of the yesterday. The abandoned Remey crypts will be our life. We will explore and return with love and spread forthcoming pictures of our venture in the end times of Saturn ring no. 3. With outstretched arms we ask that Quyzar give us courage to enliven the crypt that must be ours.
With protection of the blessings, the walls of Remey crypt will face the burden of our love. Only with Quyzar may we perfect in richness and impart this mission with the gathering of the ghost of Master Remey, now inhabitant halterest of the cronos of star Quyzest. He is with us. And we shall bestow light to the darkness below.
With thankful silence to those advice of the REmey crypt. Sincerely, brothers of the Fairfax, Quyzar Tradition.
I believe in the truth of the Fairfax. We are beginning of a new generation. We begin here in the Fairfax with the blessing of the rings of Saturn. The darlings living amongst us with Quyzar rings for delight. Dancing in merriment without shoes. And giving alms to the brothers of Quyzar. This we do constantly and forever.
We will explore the Remey Crypt with the blessing of Quyzar. The rings of Saturn will protect us from church beings and all that prohibit the sealing of our fate in these crypts of paradise. Give happiness to a man and the ceiling of his surrounding will be painted with everlasting sperm of life. We will depart for explorations soon as of the yesterday. The abandoned Remey crypts will be our life. We will explore and return with love and spread forthcoming pictures of our venture in the end times of Saturn ring no. 3. With outstretched arms we ask that Quyzar give us courage to enliven the crypt that must be ours.
With protection of the blessings, the walls of Remey crypt will face the burden of our love. Only with Quyzar may we perfect in richness and impart this mission with the gathering of the ghost of Master Remey, now inhabitant halterest of the cronos of star Quyzest. He is with us. And we shall bestow light to the darkness below.
With thankful silence to those advice of the REmey crypt. Sincerely, brothers of the Fairfax, Quyzar Tradition.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Maverick
()
Date: June 14, 2010 05:31PM
I went out there to look around yesterday afternoon. It looks to me like the tomb was knocked down a little and then covered over. Looks a lot like an Indian burial mound. It's overgrown a lot from the latest pictures posted here and the area with the yellow tape that protects the open hole is easy to miss. Picked up a lot of tics too. Not much to see other than the monument with the cross on it and the dedication plaques.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
TombRaider
()
Date: June 15, 2010 04:16PM
For all those wondering what the vents at the top of the mausoleum are for.
here is your answer:
The remains inside will continue to decompose. Decomposition releases gasses and fluids. The pressure from decomposition by-products will leach out . Even a sealed vault won’t be able to withstand the pressure of gas buildup over time. A properly sealed vault with a drainage and vent system will help avoid property damage, health hazards and psychological trauma that no doubt will come from a collapse or blow out.
here is your answer:
The remains inside will continue to decompose. Decomposition releases gasses and fluids. The pressure from decomposition by-products will leach out . Even a sealed vault won’t be able to withstand the pressure of gas buildup over time. A properly sealed vault with a drainage and vent system will help avoid property damage, health hazards and psychological trauma that no doubt will come from a collapse or blow out.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Remyghost
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Date: June 16, 2010 10:59AM
Go to "the library of congress" in d.c.
many things can be found AND PHOTOGRAPHED.
REMEUM:
http://lccn.loc.gov/58003332
CS71.R386 1954 (Case X) [P&P] Copy 1
unearth the truth !
many things can be found AND PHOTOGRAPHED.
REMEUM:
http://lccn.loc.gov/58003332
CS71.R386 1954 (Case X) [P&P] Copy 1
unearth the truth !
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Remyghost
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Date: June 16, 2010 12:52PM
The mystery yet to be solved is a strange death of
Gertrude Heim Klemm mason remy
for whome the remeum was built
why did charles's life fall apart after?
and so with it the remeum !
why does he not lie next to his loving bride of one year in pohick church cemetary?
why does he lay next to his young secretary in florence italy at the age of 99?
some interesting reading :o
http://www.fictionaut.com/stories/matt-briggs/a-well-dressed-woman-of-recent-
times.pdf
some ghosts of the past never rest in peace
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Gertrude Heim Klemm mason remy
for whome the remeum was built
why did charles's life fall apart after?
and so with it the remeum !
why does he not lie next to his loving bride of one year in pohick church cemetary?
why does he lay next to his young secretary in florence italy at the age of 99?
some interesting reading :o
http://www.fictionaut.com/stories/matt-briggs/a-well-dressed-woman-of-recent-
times.pdf
some ghosts of the past never rest in peace
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Remyghost
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Date: June 16, 2010 01:03PM
www.fictionaut.com/stories/matt-briggs/a-well-dressed-woman-of-recent-times.pdf
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Visitor
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Date: July 16, 2010 03:18PM
I lived in Lorton for a short time during jr. high school. We used to walk up to this place and down the dirt road entrance. It was probably around 1980. It had been bulldozed by then but you could crawl through two holes near the tops of the large doors. You then had to crawl down into they crypt. We encountered people in there from time to time drinking and smoking pot and hanging out. Everyone was friendly--as long as you weren't the cops! People knew it was a place which attracted curiosity seekers.
It's a shame that place wasn't restored and preserved. It would have been a good place to get away for quiet thinking/meditation/prayer away from the hustle and bustle of DC life. I think Pohick Church missed a golden opportunity. They probably could have gotten private and federal and state grants to do the work and then charged a fee for entrance. Could have been a money-maker for them.
It's a shame that place wasn't restored and preserved. It would have been a good place to get away for quiet thinking/meditation/prayer away from the hustle and bustle of DC life. I think Pohick Church missed a golden opportunity. They probably could have gotten private and federal and state grants to do the work and then charged a fee for entrance. Could have been a money-maker for them.
The Remey Crypy in 1980
Posted by:
nrhader
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Date: September 28, 2010 07:35PM
I recall the Remey Crypt in 1980, access was through a wall at a cemetery, you needed to climb on top of the wall, and then with ladders (which were already there), you climbed down into the crypt.
Everyone in our highschool knew of this place, I used to explore what little I could, as I remember the first stop was a room with nothing, the second one back was a room with a round table (coated with candlewax) and beautiful artwork on the walls.
After that it was against advice to proceed any further.
The cops loved to ruin it for people. to this day I remember hearing one of my friends calling me to come back out, when I did the Police were there and asked me how many people were inside, my friend had been pulled out by the police a few minutes earlier, I told them that I was exploring nobody else was there, this of course was not true, we had 5 people still hanging out in the second room.
The cops were pretty smart, they called down there and they tried to sound like me, these words ring immortal "Hey Guys Mark got some beer and bonghits"
The people inside were not paying attention, we didn't talk like that, instead they started to come up the ladder and as they did a search and arrest was waiting.
Today's been a strange day, for some reason I thought about this place, I was coming up blank on searches and finally found this website, if I knew the official name it would have been better.
To me the Remey Crypt was an awesome party place, the first place I had my first beer, first girl, and oh so many friends.
As an adult I'd pay money to look in there, too bad they sealed it up, I recall the news coming over that "Pegans were using it and the police set off Dynamite to seal the entrance".
For all the people who live near there, don't let the place end up a forgotten memory, always pass the stories along.
-- Nick
Everyone in our highschool knew of this place, I used to explore what little I could, as I remember the first stop was a room with nothing, the second one back was a room with a round table (coated with candlewax) and beautiful artwork on the walls.
After that it was against advice to proceed any further.
The cops loved to ruin it for people. to this day I remember hearing one of my friends calling me to come back out, when I did the Police were there and asked me how many people were inside, my friend had been pulled out by the police a few minutes earlier, I told them that I was exploring nobody else was there, this of course was not true, we had 5 people still hanging out in the second room.
The cops were pretty smart, they called down there and they tried to sound like me, these words ring immortal "Hey Guys Mark got some beer and bonghits"
The people inside were not paying attention, we didn't talk like that, instead they started to come up the ladder and as they did a search and arrest was waiting.
Today's been a strange day, for some reason I thought about this place, I was coming up blank on searches and finally found this website, if I knew the official name it would have been better.
To me the Remey Crypt was an awesome party place, the first place I had my first beer, first girl, and oh so many friends.
As an adult I'd pay money to look in there, too bad they sealed it up, I recall the news coming over that "Pegans were using it and the police set off Dynamite to seal the entrance".
For all the people who live near there, don't let the place end up a forgotten memory, always pass the stories along.
-- Nick
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
mattttttttttttttttttt
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Date: September 29, 2010 02:08AM
So whats the link to that photobucket album?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
FFXPD
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Date: October 02, 2010 12:43AM
see, i'm not a cop and i can call myself FFXPD too. it's actually FCPD dipshit fake cop.
anyways. for all you people who want to excavate, for the fake cop i'm going to say I WON'T so he wont call the police with his rape whistle. anyways. i examined the structural diagrams of the building and i have determined that the remy crypt was PRACTICALLY INDESTRUCTABLE at the time it was 'demolished' first. after a long time underground a section of the roof gave way and created the pit surrounded by the caution tape. the mere fact that there was a cave in proves that the remy crypt is still very much intact and has not been filled completely or even mostly with dirt or rubble. the size of the cave in was quite extensive. five feet wide square and ten deep.
the air vent filled with dirt is easily explainable. the room beneath the air vent is not filled in. to make burrying the vents posible metal caps are welded over the bottom so dirt will not filter down. it is also to prevent wildlife from infesting the subterrainian structure. over time sediment and such gathered in the air vent. dust from moving heavy machinery around could easily account for that, i also found a beercan from 1995 in the top of one.
the second 'demolishion' as they call it was actually a very minor change. they only plowed a couple tons of dirt over the '91' entrance. the tower still stands in the middle of the woods which suggests to me that no demolishion took place during either of the 'demolisions'. if the church didnt want people trespassing on thier property, which is perfectly legal btw because a church is a public area. then they would have gotten rid of the awesome tower in the woods that several THOUSAND people have visited since the crypt was burried.
despite the fact that the remium is almost definitely intact beneath the ground i believe it should remain buried for several reasons
1. the structural integrity is questionable due to being buried for several decades
2. it serves as a warning to other excentric rich people who want to build a tomb bigger than my dick
3. unless it was fully restored and secured it would just relapse back into a hangout where people smoked pot and drank beer. in modern fairfax county nobody needs that. if it were in VArun or woodbridge then it would be a different story
all in all the remy crypts are a forgotten thing old enough to fade from memory but new enough to not be historic. though i take much interest in circa WWII tombs i must use judgement to say that it would be foolish to spend millions of dollars to excavate somthing that represents a waste of millions of dollars
anyways. for all you people who want to excavate, for the fake cop i'm going to say I WON'T so he wont call the police with his rape whistle. anyways. i examined the structural diagrams of the building and i have determined that the remy crypt was PRACTICALLY INDESTRUCTABLE at the time it was 'demolished' first. after a long time underground a section of the roof gave way and created the pit surrounded by the caution tape. the mere fact that there was a cave in proves that the remy crypt is still very much intact and has not been filled completely or even mostly with dirt or rubble. the size of the cave in was quite extensive. five feet wide square and ten deep.
the air vent filled with dirt is easily explainable. the room beneath the air vent is not filled in. to make burrying the vents posible metal caps are welded over the bottom so dirt will not filter down. it is also to prevent wildlife from infesting the subterrainian structure. over time sediment and such gathered in the air vent. dust from moving heavy machinery around could easily account for that, i also found a beercan from 1995 in the top of one.
the second 'demolishion' as they call it was actually a very minor change. they only plowed a couple tons of dirt over the '91' entrance. the tower still stands in the middle of the woods which suggests to me that no demolishion took place during either of the 'demolisions'. if the church didnt want people trespassing on thier property, which is perfectly legal btw because a church is a public area. then they would have gotten rid of the awesome tower in the woods that several THOUSAND people have visited since the crypt was burried.
despite the fact that the remium is almost definitely intact beneath the ground i believe it should remain buried for several reasons
1. the structural integrity is questionable due to being buried for several decades
2. it serves as a warning to other excentric rich people who want to build a tomb bigger than my dick
3. unless it was fully restored and secured it would just relapse back into a hangout where people smoked pot and drank beer. in modern fairfax county nobody needs that. if it were in VArun or woodbridge then it would be a different story
all in all the remy crypts are a forgotten thing old enough to fade from memory but new enough to not be historic. though i take much interest in circa WWII tombs i must use judgement to say that it would be foolish to spend millions of dollars to excavate somthing that represents a waste of millions of dollars
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Blackbeard
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Date: October 04, 2010 06:30PM
One way to determine if multiple levels exist or existed is with Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR). Used to determine objects buried at different depths. It also would show where/if the ground had previously been disturbed. So even if the entire crypt was caved in - you would still be able to determine the levels. Expensive but you could probably get someone local to come out or find a University with an archeology department.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Prothal
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Date: October 12, 2010 02:47PM
I could spent a week reading all this thread. I stumbled in here while trying to find info on a place we used to call the "Crypt" back in the 70s. I've told stories to folks here in Texas about how we explored that place, most thought I lied. It's great to see SO many people interested in it.
BTW as of page 3 of this thread the 2nd pic. titled blue1.jpg is accurate. The inset referred to as "91" was the entrance we used but was not so overgrown then. I visited there at least 3 times between 74'& 77' and those 3 shots attributed to a High School web site look like they may have been shot by a friend of mine. As far as the unground entrance location it would be 30-40 ft SSW from the brick vents in a straight line towards the obelisk and of course down a slope. In my day that was the northern wall of the inner atrium so we had to walk around. keep in mind the the 1st underground chamber was on ground level and the hill covering appeared man made about 30' high. One had to climb up a pile of rubble pushed there by bulldozers slip under the top of a archway then climb down the other side thru a smaller archway. My memories of the 70s are quite fuzzy as you might imagine but I will never forget THAT place. We only had to contend with tall grass & weeds with a few small trees near the walls. The pic PohickCrypts1.jpg is very much how it was then except without so much growth. Just as you guys are.. we were VERY interested in that cinder block wall inside, when we saw it, it looked VERY new, also only the southern most vent was visible in the ceiling near that wall. That meant the other vent went to a chamber behind the wall weather finished or not. If one takes into account however the size of the mound before all those trees cover it, it's obvious the under ground part should be twice the size of what we explored, BUT certainly no where NEAR as large as shown in the plans. As far sub-levels any entrance to such would have had to be behind the new wall.. AND there was no large slab anywhere that could have concealed one. The post earlier by someone who claims to have covered just such a hole was smoking something stronger than we had! LOL! Like I said earlier.. I went there multiple times, on one trip we took light cameras & strobe equipment and shot at least one roll of film AND had a very scary event happen on another trip. I'll post more about that later if this thread remains alive.
BTW as of page 3 of this thread the 2nd pic. titled blue1.jpg is accurate. The inset referred to as "91" was the entrance we used but was not so overgrown then. I visited there at least 3 times between 74'& 77' and those 3 shots attributed to a High School web site look like they may have been shot by a friend of mine. As far as the unground entrance location it would be 30-40 ft SSW from the brick vents in a straight line towards the obelisk and of course down a slope. In my day that was the northern wall of the inner atrium so we had to walk around. keep in mind the the 1st underground chamber was on ground level and the hill covering appeared man made about 30' high. One had to climb up a pile of rubble pushed there by bulldozers slip under the top of a archway then climb down the other side thru a smaller archway. My memories of the 70s are quite fuzzy as you might imagine but I will never forget THAT place. We only had to contend with tall grass & weeds with a few small trees near the walls. The pic PohickCrypts1.jpg is very much how it was then except without so much growth. Just as you guys are.. we were VERY interested in that cinder block wall inside, when we saw it, it looked VERY new, also only the southern most vent was visible in the ceiling near that wall. That meant the other vent went to a chamber behind the wall weather finished or not. If one takes into account however the size of the mound before all those trees cover it, it's obvious the under ground part should be twice the size of what we explored, BUT certainly no where NEAR as large as shown in the plans. As far sub-levels any entrance to such would have had to be behind the new wall.. AND there was no large slab anywhere that could have concealed one. The post earlier by someone who claims to have covered just such a hole was smoking something stronger than we had! LOL! Like I said earlier.. I went there multiple times, on one trip we took light cameras & strobe equipment and shot at least one roll of film AND had a very scary event happen on another trip. I'll post more about that later if this thread remains alive.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hayfield Harry
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Date: November 09, 2010 12:20AM
Washington DC November 8th, 2010
I was a freshmen in 1971 at TC Williams HS in Alexandria and after that year we moved to Hayfield Farms off Telegraph Road across from Hayfield HS. My junior year there was a big fuss by the Seniors because the Pohick Church had demolished the entrance to the underground part of the 'Crypts.'
Alot of kids from Hayfield, Lee, Edison, Groveton, and Mt. Vernon used to party there. There was a dumpy motel, I think they called it a Motor Court where Telegraph Road connected to Route 1 across from the Church. You could literally rent a room for an hour if you looked old enough. Then, about maybe half a football filed south on Route 1 was an old country store that was right at the corner of Pohick Road and Route One.
About a mile down on the right side was the Moose Lodge and further up on the left just past Gunston Road was the old Hillbilly Heaven Bar/Dive that old Earl Dixon owned. His daughter Donna was in one of my classes. She later married Dan Aykroyd.
The Pagans never partied anywhere near the Crypts but ironically had a club house about a half a mile south on Route One towards the turn off for Lorton Road. Their hang out was a bar up Route One near where Backlick Road intersected with Route One in the Tiny village of Accotink which still exists near the Woods Gate to Fort Belvioir. The name of the bar was the Belvoir Grill. Its now just a vacant lot.
In fact, the Pagans would gas up at the Hess Station that was on the intersection of Backlick and Route One.
The Crypts could only be gotten into by the entrance crawling through and down into the first chamber. There was only that area of 5 rooms and at the back was the cinder-block wall which someone had punched a hole in, not big enough to crawl through, but you might be able to stick your arm through. There was space behind it, but no telling how far or deep it was.
Stumpy was always prowling around on the weekends especially. He did carry and old shotgun with rock salt as more than one person ended up with a sore butt or back from getting shot at. Of course you also had to out run his mutts.
Hard to believe that all this time has gone by. yeah, I too partied in the Crypts, it was a rite of passage back then just like outrunning Fairfax cops in the huge gravel pits behind Hayfield H. S. Often times we end up over on Beluah Road by that 7 11.
I was a freshmen in 1971 at TC Williams HS in Alexandria and after that year we moved to Hayfield Farms off Telegraph Road across from Hayfield HS. My junior year there was a big fuss by the Seniors because the Pohick Church had demolished the entrance to the underground part of the 'Crypts.'
Alot of kids from Hayfield, Lee, Edison, Groveton, and Mt. Vernon used to party there. There was a dumpy motel, I think they called it a Motor Court where Telegraph Road connected to Route 1 across from the Church. You could literally rent a room for an hour if you looked old enough. Then, about maybe half a football filed south on Route 1 was an old country store that was right at the corner of Pohick Road and Route One.
About a mile down on the right side was the Moose Lodge and further up on the left just past Gunston Road was the old Hillbilly Heaven Bar/Dive that old Earl Dixon owned. His daughter Donna was in one of my classes. She later married Dan Aykroyd.
The Pagans never partied anywhere near the Crypts but ironically had a club house about a half a mile south on Route One towards the turn off for Lorton Road. Their hang out was a bar up Route One near where Backlick Road intersected with Route One in the Tiny village of Accotink which still exists near the Woods Gate to Fort Belvioir. The name of the bar was the Belvoir Grill. Its now just a vacant lot.
In fact, the Pagans would gas up at the Hess Station that was on the intersection of Backlick and Route One.
The Crypts could only be gotten into by the entrance crawling through and down into the first chamber. There was only that area of 5 rooms and at the back was the cinder-block wall which someone had punched a hole in, not big enough to crawl through, but you might be able to stick your arm through. There was space behind it, but no telling how far or deep it was.
Stumpy was always prowling around on the weekends especially. He did carry and old shotgun with rock salt as more than one person ended up with a sore butt or back from getting shot at. Of course you also had to out run his mutts.
Hard to believe that all this time has gone by. yeah, I too partied in the Crypts, it was a rite of passage back then just like outrunning Fairfax cops in the huge gravel pits behind Hayfield H. S. Often times we end up over on Beluah Road by that 7 11.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
darkstar
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Date: November 12, 2010 01:22PM
I lived in the Lorton area back in the 1970's and attended Hayfield H.S. I went to the Remey Crypts a few times.
I have three photos of the place that I took in 1978 with an old 110 Instamatic Camera. I do not know how much help they will be but I thought I would add them to the topic.
Earlier in this topic I saw where someone mentioned the Hugononts engraving that was located within one of the brick walls of the courtyard. The first photo depicts that engraving. The other two photos were taken while sitting on top of a mound of dirt that had been pushed there to conceal the crypts below. From where I was sitting I had my legs dangling over the wall that overlooked the courtyard. Behind me would have been the entrance hole where people were going into the crypt at that time.
As you can see in the photos the bulldozing of the place had begun to take some of the outside pillars down and a huge mound of dirt was piling up and beginning to drain off into the courtyard. The fill dirt is mixed with trash, concrete, bricks and mortar.
Someone mentioned the little store located on the corner of Route 1 and Pohick Road that was called the "Quick Stop Market". It still had the same name the last time I was in the area back in 1998.
I went to high school with a guy who lived on Route 1 almost across the street from Pohick Church. He went in the Crypt many, many times. When I came upon this topic I phoned his widow who told me that he had ventured way back inside the crypt. Further than I ever went. She said she never went as far as he did but she said he did mention there were additional rooms but she couldn't recall if he ever mentioned the crypt having multiple levels.
I remember one story that I was told back in the 1970's. Supposedly there was a glass coffin inside an oval shaped room. There was a body inside the coffin and he was dressed in uniform and had a sword. Someone broke the glass and the body turned to dust. The person who broke the glass coffin made off with the sword. Personally, I never saw this glass coffin or the remains of it but that was one of the stories that was passed around.
I appreciate all of the photos and research that people have posted on this thread. Very interesting!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/12/2010 10:01PM by darkstar.
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I have three photos of the place that I took in 1978 with an old 110 Instamatic Camera. I do not know how much help they will be but I thought I would add them to the topic.
Earlier in this topic I saw where someone mentioned the Hugononts engraving that was located within one of the brick walls of the courtyard. The first photo depicts that engraving. The other two photos were taken while sitting on top of a mound of dirt that had been pushed there to conceal the crypts below. From where I was sitting I had my legs dangling over the wall that overlooked the courtyard. Behind me would have been the entrance hole where people were going into the crypt at that time.
As you can see in the photos the bulldozing of the place had begun to take some of the outside pillars down and a huge mound of dirt was piling up and beginning to drain off into the courtyard. The fill dirt is mixed with trash, concrete, bricks and mortar.
Someone mentioned the little store located on the corner of Route 1 and Pohick Road that was called the "Quick Stop Market". It still had the same name the last time I was in the area back in 1998.
I went to high school with a guy who lived on Route 1 almost across the street from Pohick Church. He went in the Crypt many, many times. When I came upon this topic I phoned his widow who told me that he had ventured way back inside the crypt. Further than I ever went. She said she never went as far as he did but she said he did mention there were additional rooms but she couldn't recall if he ever mentioned the crypt having multiple levels.
I remember one story that I was told back in the 1970's. Supposedly there was a glass coffin inside an oval shaped room. There was a body inside the coffin and he was dressed in uniform and had a sword. Someone broke the glass and the body turned to dust. The person who broke the glass coffin made off with the sword. Personally, I never saw this glass coffin or the remains of it but that was one of the stories that was passed around.
I appreciate all of the photos and research that people have posted on this thread. Very interesting!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/12/2010 10:01PM by darkstar.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hayfield Farm Gun Club
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Date: November 13, 2010 12:31PM
This is an amazing thread! I moved to the area in the late 80s and was into weirdness in general. Where I grew up before VA, we had all sorts of cool crap to explore in the mountains and jungles, but in VA all we ever explored was the bunnyman bridge, some creepy abandoned houses in PWC, and someplace in Clifton that people (erroneously, I think) called a POW camp. We never knew about anything as incredible as these crypts.
Thanks to everyone who has posted stories, analysis, and photographs. Truly great stuff here. It saddens me to think that such a wonderful structure was demolished.
Thanks to everyone who has posted stories, analysis, and photographs. Truly great stuff here. It saddens me to think that such a wonderful structure was demolished.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
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Date: December 12, 2010 11:54PM
WASHINGTON DC
DEC 12 2010
I am a freelance journalist who is writing a story about urban legends and ran across this forum and its accompanying threads quite by accident.
I've completely fascinated by this tale & have started to research it. My first stop was The Virgina Room, of the Fairfax City Library which contains interestingly enough a good deal of material on not only Mr. Charles Remey, but the 'Remeum' as well.
Apparently this gentleman was a rather significant player in the Washington DC high society set in the 1930's & 40's. The Mansion he built for himself is now the home of the Embassy of Mexico's Cnahcery Annex & ambassador's residence on Massachusetts Avenue NW near DuPont Circle. His father, Admiral Remey and his mother along with his brother-in-law, are buried in Section 15, at Arlington National Cemetery.
Further research at the Library of Congress also turned up some interesting facts. One of which was that the blueprints for the Tomb & Mausoleum still exist and the complete set are retained by the Baha'i Sect he belonged to in Florence, Italy, where he died in 1974 just short of his 100th birthday.
What I have been able to establish is that the tomb is huge, and while 3 levels is not levels as one would think of in terms of stay traditional stories. Rather it is a set of three levels in gradual elevation not unlike say a swimming pool which progresses from a shallow to a deep end. I've been able to verify that access was in fact blocked by the spring of 1968 to the deeper recesses of the Remeum thus the portions that you witness seeing here in the pictures coupled with the stories would have been at the leading edge of "shallow" end if you will near the main entrance.
Once I have been able to fully realise the extent of my research I'll write the story and then post it here. I intend to also leave a copy of it with the Fairfax City Public Library along with a Creative Commons Copyright Licence for thsoe interested in republishing or posting it elsewhere.
If you have any information, pictures, documentation, that you'd like to share with me or swap sources, please feel free to contact me at theroadtraveler@gmail.com.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Service
Washington DC
DEC 12 2010
I am a freelance journalist who is writing a story about urban legends and ran across this forum and its accompanying threads quite by accident.
I've completely fascinated by this tale & have started to research it. My first stop was The Virgina Room, of the Fairfax City Library which contains interestingly enough a good deal of material on not only Mr. Charles Remey, but the 'Remeum' as well.
Apparently this gentleman was a rather significant player in the Washington DC high society set in the 1930's & 40's. The Mansion he built for himself is now the home of the Embassy of Mexico's Cnahcery Annex & ambassador's residence on Massachusetts Avenue NW near DuPont Circle. His father, Admiral Remey and his mother along with his brother-in-law, are buried in Section 15, at Arlington National Cemetery.
Further research at the Library of Congress also turned up some interesting facts. One of which was that the blueprints for the Tomb & Mausoleum still exist and the complete set are retained by the Baha'i Sect he belonged to in Florence, Italy, where he died in 1974 just short of his 100th birthday.
What I have been able to establish is that the tomb is huge, and while 3 levels is not levels as one would think of in terms of stay traditional stories. Rather it is a set of three levels in gradual elevation not unlike say a swimming pool which progresses from a shallow to a deep end. I've been able to verify that access was in fact blocked by the spring of 1968 to the deeper recesses of the Remeum thus the portions that you witness seeing here in the pictures coupled with the stories would have been at the leading edge of "shallow" end if you will near the main entrance.
Once I have been able to fully realise the extent of my research I'll write the story and then post it here. I intend to also leave a copy of it with the Fairfax City Public Library along with a Creative Commons Copyright Licence for thsoe interested in republishing or posting it elsewhere.
If you have any information, pictures, documentation, that you'd like to share with me or swap sources, please feel free to contact me at theroadtraveler@gmail.com.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Service
Washington DC
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hayfield Farm Gun Club
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Date: December 16, 2010 06:20PM
Brody:
This is good to hear. I look forward to reading your article.
What other stories or places are you writing about?
This is good to hear. I look forward to reading your article.
What other stories or places are you writing about?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: December 17, 2010 07:41AM
+1
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
William Howard Taft
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Date: December 17, 2010 06:25PM
Here's a link to Historic Aerials at the location of the mausoleum.
http://www.historicaerials.com/aerials.php?scale=6.11143338380704E-06&lat=38.7075920093984&lon=-77.1966910219875&year=1962
http://www.historicaerials.com/aerials.php?scale=6.11143338380704E-06&lat=38.7075920093984&lon=-77.1966910219875&year=1962
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
William Howard Taft
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Date: December 23, 2010 06:49PM
Just a thought.. I noticed the cleared areas in the 1960's images don't show any clearing other than what was done directly around the visible structure. I wonder if Remey's sketch is not meant to be a linear blueprint, but is instead a blowout view of both floors meant to be stacked on a light table, either the underground layer was to be cut free and rotated to line up, or simply folded under.. Because if so, that might mean the entire structure does exist, and it would account for all the time and materials reported.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hayfield Farm Gun Club
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Date: December 23, 2010 09:54PM
Shit...
In the context of traditional church architecture, that actually makes more sense than the two forming a linear structure. The linear presentation is so off balance and architecturally jarring.
The cruciform layout lines up perfectly: transepts as well as the apses. The red side makes far more sense as a crypt level.
In the context of traditional church architecture, that actually makes more sense than the two forming a linear structure. The linear presentation is so off balance and architecturally jarring.
The cruciform layout lines up perfectly: transepts as well as the apses. The red side makes far more sense as a crypt level.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
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William Howard Taft
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Date: December 24, 2010 04:07AM
I agree completely, "architecturally jarring" is perfect to describe what I was feeling.. Lo, I have produced a better version.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
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William Howard Taft
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Date: December 24, 2010 04:10AM
I first heard about "the crypt" in high school, probably 1993. I was at a friend's house in the Marumsco area of Woodbridge, his mom told us about it when I was driving her someplace. She was definitely the type who would have hung out with the bad boys in the 70's so now I imagine she might have been in there a few times. She said there was a "platinum boat" floating in a pool of water at the bottom of a really huge deep crypt somewhere in Fairfax. The challenge to scare the hell out of people was to have them walk all the way to the bottom past all the dead people with just a candle. It sounded sort of over the top and local-legendy to me, but she kind of half heartedly said "no man, it was really there", and left it at that..
Jump forward a few years and I discovered the existence of "The Remeum" while looking for info about the earlier Occoquan Pohick Church in the Virginiana room at PWC Central. I went out to Pohick with my girlfriend and we puttered around in the cemetery a bit. While we were checking out the carvings on the doorposts the caretaker came out. He liked that I was into the history, so he showed us around the inside of the church and pointed out a few of the interesting bits, talked about the days it was used as a horse stable, said they'd accidentally dug up quite a lot of people building the annex several years back. I said I'd heard there was a fantastic mausoleum somewhere on the grounds with beautiful statues, but it had been vandalized and was demolished. I had no idea at that point there was actually a significant structure, I thought it had been more like a walled garden with a gazebo.. He said "oh no, it's all still there--we just buried it." THAT statement is what really got me interested.
I never really felt much of a serious connection between that story and this mausoleum until I found this thread and saw the pictures and architectural drawings. Now I'm thinking maybe that Platinum Boat might have been a lead casket, way back beyond the cinder block wall.. Or something weirder..
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2010 04:11AM by William Howard Taft.
Jump forward a few years and I discovered the existence of "The Remeum" while looking for info about the earlier Occoquan Pohick Church in the Virginiana room at PWC Central. I went out to Pohick with my girlfriend and we puttered around in the cemetery a bit. While we were checking out the carvings on the doorposts the caretaker came out. He liked that I was into the history, so he showed us around the inside of the church and pointed out a few of the interesting bits, talked about the days it was used as a horse stable, said they'd accidentally dug up quite a lot of people building the annex several years back. I said I'd heard there was a fantastic mausoleum somewhere on the grounds with beautiful statues, but it had been vandalized and was demolished. I had no idea at that point there was actually a significant structure, I thought it had been more like a walled garden with a gazebo.. He said "oh no, it's all still there--we just buried it." THAT statement is what really got me interested.
I never really felt much of a serious connection between that story and this mausoleum until I found this thread and saw the pictures and architectural drawings. Now I'm thinking maybe that Platinum Boat might have been a lead casket, way back beyond the cinder block wall.. Or something weirder..
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2010 04:11AM by William Howard Taft.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hayfield Farm Gun Club
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Date: December 24, 2010 08:43AM
Aha! Note the spiral staircases at either side of the sanctuary. Staircases can only mean one thing.
Have you poked around any churches in Europe? Or locally, the Basilica of the Immaculate Conception in DC (or even cooler the monastery down the road from it with its crypt level, catacombs, and its mosaic skeletons). This is a pretty classic crypt level, which makes sense given Remey's time abroad.
He was a well-regarded architect and I think the logical layout is that the blueprints represent multiple levels. Excellent work, Taft.
Have you poked around any churches in Europe? Or locally, the Basilica of the Immaculate Conception in DC (or even cooler the monastery down the road from it with its crypt level, catacombs, and its mosaic skeletons). This is a pretty classic crypt level, which makes sense given Remey's time abroad.
He was a well-regarded architect and I think the logical layout is that the blueprints represent multiple levels. Excellent work, Taft.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
G
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Date: December 24, 2010 10:19AM
Interesting theory on the architectural layout, but it's already known from the photos and stories that one entered the initial chamber through the arched entranceway, which would have been part of the "narthex" structure; one didn't double back in the opposite direction once inside. The two rectangular blocks in front of the narthex are likely the "sleeping lions" mentioned in one of the newspaper articles and shown in the photos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narthex
The spiral staircases look like they might have been the way to access the "Baha'i Sanctuary" space; other staircases are visible on the plans, such as on either side of the "Military Memorial Chamber", verifying the existence of (or plans for) sublevels or sunken rooms. Who knows how much of this was actually built; the accounts of the Church rejecting plans for expansion in 1958-62 seem to verify that it was never completed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narthex
The spiral staircases look like they might have been the way to access the "Baha'i Sanctuary" space; other staircases are visible on the plans, such as on either side of the "Military Memorial Chamber", verifying the existence of (or plans for) sublevels or sunken rooms. Who knows how much of this was actually built; the accounts of the Church rejecting plans for expansion in 1958-62 seem to verify that it was never completed.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
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Date: December 27, 2010 11:52PM
Washington DC DEC 27 |
Subj: Preliminary Construction Details- Remeum
Construction, which commenced in the spring of 1939, called for excavation of a graded area, in a set of three distinct grades to a depth of 35 feet. This meant a finished grade of thirty feet and five feet to grade for foundational footings. [ This was set for the measurement specs for the Baha'i Sanctuary with to grade specs of 12 feet to cap and 3 feet for footings at the opposite end, entrance level/access from the courtyard gardens.
This was also linear in design. Given the amount of weight of the earth that would conceal the vaulted crypt area above, allowances were so specified in the final designs. As the floor plans detail, there are set levels, stepped, not unlike a swimming pool as an analogous comparison- the Baha'i Sanctuary being the deep end if you will.
Construction was excavation, concrete footings were poured, then plumbing and electrical roughed in, final masonry work to construct vaults, tombs, chapels, common areas, and then reburial of complex. [ It should be noted that by 1960- which the aerial photos show quite clearly, there is a reclamation by flora and reforestation over a large percentage of the site.
According to notes left by Mr. Remey, which are currently in his adopted son's collection of personal papers in Florence, Italy, the final touches on major construction on the underground complex were finished by late fall of 1948. The outer courtyards were constructed and walls were finished by the spring of 1950, the same year he departed to supervise the construction of the Baha'i Temple Of Justice in Haifa, Israel.
There was ongoing finishing work in th outdoor atrium/gardens, coupled with masonry/sculpture work being finished in the various rooms and chapels of the underground complex. [ In reference: The room marked storage contained a generator and principal power (electrical) access.] There was power throughout the complex for a lighting system.
What caused the rupture in the agreement between the vestry of the Pohick Church and Remey was not the complex which was finished & hidden from view owing to its being located underground. It was discovery of his plans to add a two story structure behind the crypt's principal entrance, which was incorporated into the original plans but had not been presented until the initial phase had been completed. This temple looking structure would have been located directly over the top of the Baha'i Sanctuary, and indeed faintly resembled the top two levels of the tower of the George Washington Masonic Temple located 7 miles north in Alexandria.
The addition of this building would have dwarfed the neighboring Pohick Church, and due to the elevation, would have made this structure visible in all directions up to three miles. [ There are draftsman drawings of this located in the rare book collections, REMEY, Charles W. at The Virginia Room, of the Fairfax County Public Library's Fairfax City branch.]
Once the Church learned of these plans in the summer of 1957, they immediately sought to break the 1937 agreement. They also sought an injunction in the Circuit Court for the County of Fairfax to halt any further construction.
Through a series of legal maneuvering, the case found its way into Federal Court District Court, culminating in the final agreement nearly 8 years later which led to Remey's vacating the property and receding it back to the Truro Parish/ Pohick.
It should be noted also that the trust fund set aside by Remey to defray security costs, maintenance considerations, and expenses incurred by Truro Parish/Pohick insofar as the Remeum was concerned had dwindled to a negative by 1960 and actually was running a deficit.
There will be more details and in greater depth as research continues.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Service
Washington DC
Subj: Preliminary Construction Details- Remeum
Construction, which commenced in the spring of 1939, called for excavation of a graded area, in a set of three distinct grades to a depth of 35 feet. This meant a finished grade of thirty feet and five feet to grade for foundational footings. [ This was set for the measurement specs for the Baha'i Sanctuary with to grade specs of 12 feet to cap and 3 feet for footings at the opposite end, entrance level/access from the courtyard gardens.
This was also linear in design. Given the amount of weight of the earth that would conceal the vaulted crypt area above, allowances were so specified in the final designs. As the floor plans detail, there are set levels, stepped, not unlike a swimming pool as an analogous comparison- the Baha'i Sanctuary being the deep end if you will.
Construction was excavation, concrete footings were poured, then plumbing and electrical roughed in, final masonry work to construct vaults, tombs, chapels, common areas, and then reburial of complex. [ It should be noted that by 1960- which the aerial photos show quite clearly, there is a reclamation by flora and reforestation over a large percentage of the site.
According to notes left by Mr. Remey, which are currently in his adopted son's collection of personal papers in Florence, Italy, the final touches on major construction on the underground complex were finished by late fall of 1948. The outer courtyards were constructed and walls were finished by the spring of 1950, the same year he departed to supervise the construction of the Baha'i Temple Of Justice in Haifa, Israel.
There was ongoing finishing work in th outdoor atrium/gardens, coupled with masonry/sculpture work being finished in the various rooms and chapels of the underground complex. [ In reference: The room marked storage contained a generator and principal power (electrical) access.] There was power throughout the complex for a lighting system.
What caused the rupture in the agreement between the vestry of the Pohick Church and Remey was not the complex which was finished & hidden from view owing to its being located underground. It was discovery of his plans to add a two story structure behind the crypt's principal entrance, which was incorporated into the original plans but had not been presented until the initial phase had been completed. This temple looking structure would have been located directly over the top of the Baha'i Sanctuary, and indeed faintly resembled the top two levels of the tower of the George Washington Masonic Temple located 7 miles north in Alexandria.
The addition of this building would have dwarfed the neighboring Pohick Church, and due to the elevation, would have made this structure visible in all directions up to three miles. [ There are draftsman drawings of this located in the rare book collections, REMEY, Charles W. at The Virginia Room, of the Fairfax County Public Library's Fairfax City branch.]
Once the Church learned of these plans in the summer of 1957, they immediately sought to break the 1937 agreement. They also sought an injunction in the Circuit Court for the County of Fairfax to halt any further construction.
Through a series of legal maneuvering, the case found its way into Federal Court District Court, culminating in the final agreement nearly 8 years later which led to Remey's vacating the property and receding it back to the Truro Parish/ Pohick.
It should be noted also that the trust fund set aside by Remey to defray security costs, maintenance considerations, and expenses incurred by Truro Parish/Pohick insofar as the Remeum was concerned had dwindled to a negative by 1960 and actually was running a deficit.
There will be more details and in greater depth as research continues.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Service
Washington DC
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Huntington
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Date: December 28, 2010 12:13AM
I think this thread is so interesting, I love when I see it updated. Thanks to everyone who continues to look in to it. Anything with local history gets me hooked.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
CWJ
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Date: January 09, 2011 08:55AM
I am a longtime res. of the Mt Vernon,Lorton area. Always knew about "The Crypts" and visited there one time in 1980. One thing that I remember from my visit that truely alarmed me, and I always wondered about was the marble reliefs (picture carvings) on the courtyard walls. In all of the entries here, I have seen a good picture of only one. I remember a picture of a slave trader beating a slave on the deck of a ship. The man had a whip in his rt hand and a chain that was around the slave's neck in the other. This picture has been imprinted in my mind for years. I had always speculated that the place was destroyed possibly because of some of the depictitions on the property. Does anyone know about the artist of these works, or where I can see clear pictures of all of them. Did Remey have desendates from the slave trade. From 1968 to 1980 the american people were in the process of dealing with racism. It has been a very longtime. I may be partly mistaken. If you know anything pertaining to the carvings please write.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
darkstar
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Date: January 11, 2011 01:12PM
Thank you for the new posts on this topic. I find the information fascinating.
It seems Charles Remey was a very public person as you can find several volumes of documentation that he wrote in his life time scared on different sites on line. In Remey's last will and testament dated August 29 1963 he said he didn't care where he was buried and left the decision up to his soon to be adopted son, Pepe.
Pepe died in 1994 and there could be information in regards to the Remeum in Pepe's estate.
Charles Mason Remey's Last Will and Testament
Dott. Proc. Giuseppe Pedone
Notaio in Milano
20121
- via Broletto, 37
Florence, Italy
29 August 1963 A.D.
I- I, Charles Mason Remey, U.S. citizen of Washington, D.C., born in Burlington, Iowa, on May 15th, 1874, being of sound physical and mental health do hereby declare this to be my last Will and Testament hereby revoking any previous Will and Testament heretofore made by me.
February 13, 1922 at Newark, New Jersey, U.S.A. be the executor of my estate.(Orthodox council Administration]
Charles Mason Remey
III- I bequeath to Joseph (Giuseppe) Pepe, Jr. everything tangible [the Orthodox Council Administrative Society] and intangible [Abha Nyorai Melchizedek Divan Prophethood Guardianship] that I possess and may be entitled to.
IV- As for the burial of my remains, I leave this entirely in the hands of Joseph Pepe Jr.
V- Any rights, outlined in the agreement between myself and the Pohick Church at Pohick, Fairfax, Virginia, U.S.A. which shall continue on after my death, I [transfer] onto Joseph Pepe Jr., whom I am adopting as my legal son and heir. I authorize Joseph Pepe Jr. to act in my behalf in the upkeep, arrangement or transfer of remains from the "Remeum" to any other place he may deem necessary for their safety.
Charles Mason Remey
http://web.archive.org/web/20020210172631/www.lelandjensen.net/html/cmr/adoption.htm
It seems Charles Remey was a very public person as you can find several volumes of documentation that he wrote in his life time scared on different sites on line. In Remey's last will and testament dated August 29 1963 he said he didn't care where he was buried and left the decision up to his soon to be adopted son, Pepe.
Pepe died in 1994 and there could be information in regards to the Remeum in Pepe's estate.
Charles Mason Remey's Last Will and Testament
Dott. Proc. Giuseppe Pedone
Notaio in Milano
20121
- via Broletto, 37
Florence, Italy
29 August 1963 A.D.
I- I, Charles Mason Remey, U.S. citizen of Washington, D.C., born in Burlington, Iowa, on May 15th, 1874, being of sound physical and mental health do hereby declare this to be my last Will and Testament hereby revoking any previous Will and Testament heretofore made by me.
February 13, 1922 at Newark, New Jersey, U.S.A. be the executor of my estate.(Orthodox council Administration]
Charles Mason Remey
III- I bequeath to Joseph (Giuseppe) Pepe, Jr. everything tangible [the Orthodox Council Administrative Society] and intangible [Abha Nyorai Melchizedek Divan Prophethood Guardianship] that I possess and may be entitled to.
IV- As for the burial of my remains, I leave this entirely in the hands of Joseph Pepe Jr.
V- Any rights, outlined in the agreement between myself and the Pohick Church at Pohick, Fairfax, Virginia, U.S.A. which shall continue on after my death, I [transfer] onto Joseph Pepe Jr., whom I am adopting as my legal son and heir. I authorize Joseph Pepe Jr. to act in my behalf in the upkeep, arrangement or transfer of remains from the "Remeum" to any other place he may deem necessary for their safety.
Charles Mason Remey
http://web.archive.org/web/20020210172631/www.lelandjensen.net/html/cmr/adoption.htm
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
SILLYDAWG
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Date: January 12, 2011 11:35AM
my sister shannon is so kewl for telling me about this.....
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: January 12, 2011 12:06PM
William Howard Taft Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I first heard about "the crypt" in high school,
> probably 1993. I was at a friend's house in the
> Marumsco area of Woodbridge, his mom told us about
> it when I was driving her someplace. She was
> definitely the type who would have hung out with
> the bad boys in the 70's so now I imagine she
> might have been in there a few times. She said
> there was a "platinum boat" floating in a pool of
> water at the bottom of a really huge deep crypt
> somewhere in Fairfax. The challenge to scare the
> hell out of people was to have them walk all the
> way to the bottom past all the dead people with
> just a candle. It sounded sort of over the top and
> local-legendy to me, but she kind of half
> heartedly said "no man, it was really there", and
> left it at that..
>
> Jump forward a few years and I discovered the
> existence of "The Remeum" while looking for info
> about the earlier Occoquan Pohick Church in the
> Virginiana room at PWC Central. I went out to
> Pohick with my girlfriend and we puttered around
> in the cemetery a bit. While we were checking out
> the carvings on the doorposts the caretaker came
> out. He liked that I was into the history, so he
> showed us around the inside of the church and
> pointed out a few of the interesting bits, talked
> about the days it was used as a horse stable, said
> they'd accidentally dug up quite a lot of people
> building the annex several years back. I said I'd
> heard there was a fantastic mausoleum somewhere on
> the grounds with beautiful statues, but it had
> been vandalized and was demolished. I had no idea
> at that point there was actually a significant
> structure, I thought it had been more like a
> walled garden with a gazebo.. He said "oh no, it's
> all still there--we just buried it." THAT
> statement is what really got me interested.
>
> I never really felt much of a serious connection
> between that story and this mausoleum until I
> found this thread and saw the pictures and
> architectural drawings. Now I'm thinking maybe
> that Platinum Boat might have been a lead casket,
> way back beyond the cinder block wall.. Or
> something weirder..
"It's all still there--we just buried it."
That really gets my attention. Churches are not short on cash, we know they've got plenty of it and they love it. Why not spend the money to dig it up, polish it up, make sure it's safe, and charge $10 a head? They'd get their money back and then some!
Letting it rot underground is such a travisty (sp?), it makes me sick.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I first heard about "the crypt" in high school,
> probably 1993. I was at a friend's house in the
> Marumsco area of Woodbridge, his mom told us about
> it when I was driving her someplace. She was
> definitely the type who would have hung out with
> the bad boys in the 70's so now I imagine she
> might have been in there a few times. She said
> there was a "platinum boat" floating in a pool of
> water at the bottom of a really huge deep crypt
> somewhere in Fairfax. The challenge to scare the
> hell out of people was to have them walk all the
> way to the bottom past all the dead people with
> just a candle. It sounded sort of over the top and
> local-legendy to me, but she kind of half
> heartedly said "no man, it was really there", and
> left it at that..
>
> Jump forward a few years and I discovered the
> existence of "The Remeum" while looking for info
> about the earlier Occoquan Pohick Church in the
> Virginiana room at PWC Central. I went out to
> Pohick with my girlfriend and we puttered around
> in the cemetery a bit. While we were checking out
> the carvings on the doorposts the caretaker came
> out. He liked that I was into the history, so he
> showed us around the inside of the church and
> pointed out a few of the interesting bits, talked
> about the days it was used as a horse stable, said
> they'd accidentally dug up quite a lot of people
> building the annex several years back. I said I'd
> heard there was a fantastic mausoleum somewhere on
> the grounds with beautiful statues, but it had
> been vandalized and was demolished. I had no idea
> at that point there was actually a significant
> structure, I thought it had been more like a
> walled garden with a gazebo.. He said "oh no, it's
> all still there--we just buried it." THAT
> statement is what really got me interested.
>
> I never really felt much of a serious connection
> between that story and this mausoleum until I
> found this thread and saw the pictures and
> architectural drawings. Now I'm thinking maybe
> that Platinum Boat might have been a lead casket,
> way back beyond the cinder block wall.. Or
> something weirder..
"It's all still there--we just buried it."
That really gets my attention. Churches are not short on cash, we know they've got plenty of it and they love it. Why not spend the money to dig it up, polish it up, make sure it's safe, and charge $10 a head? They'd get their money back and then some!
Letting it rot underground is such a travisty (sp?), it makes me sick.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jewel
()
Date: January 20, 2011 10:06PM
I attended Lee High school in the late 70s and everyone knew about the crypts. Our older brothers and sisters passed down all kinds of stories about them, some that I remember are:
*The caretaker lived in a house next to the crypts and was called Stumpy because he had no legs below his knees, just a board nailed between his stumps. He got around in a wheel chair pulled by mad dogs who he would sic on kids who walked down the gravel road to the crypts at night. He also had a shot gun loaded with rock salt.
*The statue of Admiral Remey had it's head stolen by some kid from a neighboring school. The kid was then killed by being decapitated in a car accident.
*The crypts were vast with several levels, almost everyone knew "some guy" who had been down to the lower levels using a secret door in the floor. no one could find the door.
*The crypts extended out under Pohick Road.
*Hell's Angels (or the Pagans) had blown up the crypts with dynamite after the cops bothered them too many times while partying there.
*There was still a woman and her baby in one of the sarcophagi.
*Admiral Remey would haunt anyone who disturbed the crypts.
*There was an on site crematorium, you could still see the chimneys from it.
*People who hung out at the crypts were called crypt crawlers.
About a year after I graduated, my friend Mcgoo and I were talking about all the legends about the crypts and really anted to go see them. We were good kids though (mostly) and we didn't want to get shot, or more likely arrested, because we had heard plenty of stories of kids getting caught by cops or having close calls with them. I said "Why don't we just go ask if we can see them?"
We parked in the church parking lot and took a look at the older gravestones there. No one seemed to be around to care about our being parked there so we cut through to the gravel road to the crypts. Along the road were big marble columns, laying on their side in stacks of three or four, along with some other big piles of building materials. They looked like they had been there fro quite some time, bushes and plants had grown up around them. We walked up to the caretaker's house (Stumpy's) and knocked on the door.
A really nice younger guy (in his late 20s or 30s) came out to talk to us. his wife was making dinner in the background and his dogs (golden retrievers I think) barked once or twice but calmed down and were friendly once he spoke to them. We asked him if we could look at the tomb and he laughed and said no one had ever asked permission before. He called to his daughter (about 8 to 10 years old with a pageboy hair cut) and gave us two flashlights and told her to walk us over to where they were. He asked that we return the flashlight when we were finished.
She took us over and we walked around the outside of the tomb looking at the sculptures. There was one of the Remey family coming over on the Mayflower, one of the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. We went over and looked the the big brick cross on the other end of the field and read the inscription, we didn't notice the bench or survey markers, it was summer I think and they may have been over grown. I would love to see a picture of the bench.
After a while we wandered back to the front of the crypts and up to the entrance where it was half buried with a gap right under the arch. The kid got bored and wandered back home. we decided that the caretaker had probably figured we were going to try and go inside, after all he had loaned us flashlights, so we scrambled up the dirt mound and climbed under the arch. My friend went first and told me to be careful, I had to ease over the top of an ornate iron gate. He said there was a ladder to climb down and guided my foot so I wouldn't fall. When I got to the bottom and looked back at the gate I realized that it was no ladder, it was the bottom of a destroyed coffin and we had climbed down the ribs on it.
The first thing I noticed about the crypt was how destroyed it was. Th floor was about one to two feet deep in debris and water. The walls were beat up and cracked in some places, as was the ceiling. the top part of the walls and ceiling were black and it really did look like someone had set off dynamite in there. There were carved panels on the walls like outside but they were demolished. I remember one towards the back left looking from the entryway was a carving of French Huguenots landing in a row boat. Bits of it were all over the floor, I picked up part of a hand holding an oar,the bottom half of a face and a bit of carved robe. There were large stone sarcophagi in the four rooms off the sides of the entry way and back hall. One had no lid but one was a woman lying down holding a baby. They were huge there was no way anyone could have moved them without equipment.
All over the floor were beer cans, roach buts and trash along with chunks of marble and bricks. There was standing water but you could step over it in most places. The statue of Admiral Remey and his wife kneeling at his feet (wtf?) was centered in the main room. He was headless as legend said, there were candle burm marks on the statues, and candle drippings. There was a bit of grafitti on the walls but I can't remember any of it.
In the back hallway there was an arch which had been sealed with concrete block. there were signs of people who had tried to break through it, at one point there was a hole that showed a bit of red clay earth behind it. We figured it was kids trying to break through and find the other levels. When we walked around behind it later we figured they were just a legend because there was no way that it went back any further, the hillock it was buried under ended right behind where we figured that blocked doorway was. Its kind of exciting to think that it may have been a descending tomb as others had proposed. If that was true may be it did extend all the way out under Pohick Road.
I went back to show it to a friend in the late 80s and it had all been plowed over. Such a shame it was a beautiful and solemn place despite its abuse. From the height of the hill now there and the two chimneys sticking up from it, I figure they did not collapse it, it looks like they just dumped earth over it and smoothed it down with bulldozers. The picture of the present day digging at the sight sure looks like the top of the wall over the arch, I remember it having a cement cap like that.
I hope that when Virginia gets its budget straightened out that they would think about funding an archeological dig and restoration there. It certainly was a big part of a lot of people's history and I would love to tour it restored. I would think that it could be a bit of a money maker for the old parish. I would even be happy to bring back my marble bits so they could reassemble the Huguenot carving.
*The caretaker lived in a house next to the crypts and was called Stumpy because he had no legs below his knees, just a board nailed between his stumps. He got around in a wheel chair pulled by mad dogs who he would sic on kids who walked down the gravel road to the crypts at night. He also had a shot gun loaded with rock salt.
*The statue of Admiral Remey had it's head stolen by some kid from a neighboring school. The kid was then killed by being decapitated in a car accident.
*The crypts were vast with several levels, almost everyone knew "some guy" who had been down to the lower levels using a secret door in the floor. no one could find the door.
*The crypts extended out under Pohick Road.
*Hell's Angels (or the Pagans) had blown up the crypts with dynamite after the cops bothered them too many times while partying there.
*There was still a woman and her baby in one of the sarcophagi.
*Admiral Remey would haunt anyone who disturbed the crypts.
*There was an on site crematorium, you could still see the chimneys from it.
*People who hung out at the crypts were called crypt crawlers.
About a year after I graduated, my friend Mcgoo and I were talking about all the legends about the crypts and really anted to go see them. We were good kids though (mostly) and we didn't want to get shot, or more likely arrested, because we had heard plenty of stories of kids getting caught by cops or having close calls with them. I said "Why don't we just go ask if we can see them?"
We parked in the church parking lot and took a look at the older gravestones there. No one seemed to be around to care about our being parked there so we cut through to the gravel road to the crypts. Along the road were big marble columns, laying on their side in stacks of three or four, along with some other big piles of building materials. They looked like they had been there fro quite some time, bushes and plants had grown up around them. We walked up to the caretaker's house (Stumpy's) and knocked on the door.
A really nice younger guy (in his late 20s or 30s) came out to talk to us. his wife was making dinner in the background and his dogs (golden retrievers I think) barked once or twice but calmed down and were friendly once he spoke to them. We asked him if we could look at the tomb and he laughed and said no one had ever asked permission before. He called to his daughter (about 8 to 10 years old with a pageboy hair cut) and gave us two flashlights and told her to walk us over to where they were. He asked that we return the flashlight when we were finished.
She took us over and we walked around the outside of the tomb looking at the sculptures. There was one of the Remey family coming over on the Mayflower, one of the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. We went over and looked the the big brick cross on the other end of the field and read the inscription, we didn't notice the bench or survey markers, it was summer I think and they may have been over grown. I would love to see a picture of the bench.
After a while we wandered back to the front of the crypts and up to the entrance where it was half buried with a gap right under the arch. The kid got bored and wandered back home. we decided that the caretaker had probably figured we were going to try and go inside, after all he had loaned us flashlights, so we scrambled up the dirt mound and climbed under the arch. My friend went first and told me to be careful, I had to ease over the top of an ornate iron gate. He said there was a ladder to climb down and guided my foot so I wouldn't fall. When I got to the bottom and looked back at the gate I realized that it was no ladder, it was the bottom of a destroyed coffin and we had climbed down the ribs on it.
The first thing I noticed about the crypt was how destroyed it was. Th floor was about one to two feet deep in debris and water. The walls were beat up and cracked in some places, as was the ceiling. the top part of the walls and ceiling were black and it really did look like someone had set off dynamite in there. There were carved panels on the walls like outside but they were demolished. I remember one towards the back left looking from the entryway was a carving of French Huguenots landing in a row boat. Bits of it were all over the floor, I picked up part of a hand holding an oar,the bottom half of a face and a bit of carved robe. There were large stone sarcophagi in the four rooms off the sides of the entry way and back hall. One had no lid but one was a woman lying down holding a baby. They were huge there was no way anyone could have moved them without equipment.
All over the floor were beer cans, roach buts and trash along with chunks of marble and bricks. There was standing water but you could step over it in most places. The statue of Admiral Remey and his wife kneeling at his feet (wtf?) was centered in the main room. He was headless as legend said, there were candle burm marks on the statues, and candle drippings. There was a bit of grafitti on the walls but I can't remember any of it.
In the back hallway there was an arch which had been sealed with concrete block. there were signs of people who had tried to break through it, at one point there was a hole that showed a bit of red clay earth behind it. We figured it was kids trying to break through and find the other levels. When we walked around behind it later we figured they were just a legend because there was no way that it went back any further, the hillock it was buried under ended right behind where we figured that blocked doorway was. Its kind of exciting to think that it may have been a descending tomb as others had proposed. If that was true may be it did extend all the way out under Pohick Road.
I went back to show it to a friend in the late 80s and it had all been plowed over. Such a shame it was a beautiful and solemn place despite its abuse. From the height of the hill now there and the two chimneys sticking up from it, I figure they did not collapse it, it looks like they just dumped earth over it and smoothed it down with bulldozers. The picture of the present day digging at the sight sure looks like the top of the wall over the arch, I remember it having a cement cap like that.
I hope that when Virginia gets its budget straightened out that they would think about funding an archeological dig and restoration there. It certainly was a big part of a lot of people's history and I would love to tour it restored. I would think that it could be a bit of a money maker for the old parish. I would even be happy to bring back my marble bits so they could reassemble the Huguenot carving.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Huntington
()
Date: January 20, 2011 11:06PM
Ahh, Mrs. Remey was kneeling, that explains the weird size of the statues. That image has always bothered me, but that makes sense now. The statue made her look like Cotton Hill from "King of the Hill", "I got no knees". No disrespect intended. Maybe it was supposed to be a representation of praying or their marriage vows?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
JackdUpFord
()
Date: January 20, 2011 11:09PM
I killed fitty men.
Oh I love KOTH
Oh I love KOTH
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jewel
()
Date: January 22, 2011 01:27AM
I think the story of Mrs. Remey is very sad. He apparently married her for her money. The story is that she committed suicide during the first year of their marriage and left him millions. Since he is the one who commissioned the statues, I feel the fact that she is kneeling is a bit telling. I think his attitude towards her is evident in that he moved all his other relatives to a graveyard in New York while he left his wife's body there for the church to bury.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Rick
()
Date: January 23, 2011 11:16PM
Went to check it out today but no tresspassing signs everywhere. Would have gone in anyway in the old days but wasn't drunk or high enough to risk it!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: January 23, 2011 11:29PM
Washington DC JAN 23 |
re: Jewel's quote: "The story is that she committed suicide during the first year of their marriage and left him millions."
During the course of the research into the history of not only the Remeum, but Mason Remey and his family, there have been absolutely no established documents that would lend credence to that quote.
The estate left him under the terms of her will which is still on file with the District of Columbia's Superior Court mentions sums considerably less. Mason Remey's wealth stemmed from his mother's estate and a to a lessor degree, monies derived from the Admiral's estate.
Given the fact that the Great Depression was already a factor, the Remey family was fortunate in that regard as their monies had not been tied up in stocks or investments that had been negatively affected by the crash of 1929 and the economic downturn that resulted. In fact, much of the family's wealth was held in trust by New York banking houses that had not been affected by the financial collapses that led to the Great Depression.
Another oddity was the disparity in the ages. He was 57 in 1932 when he married Gertrude Heim Klemm. She was in her early thirties. Little is known about their relationship, and Remey never married again. It has been verified that she killed herself although the exact reason is not clear.
Finally, movement of the bodies other deceased family members to New York was carried out by a relative by marriage and not by Mason Remey. At the time of the disinterments, he was living in extremely poor health in Florence, Italy, and in fact was to die lass than four years after the bodies had been moved. The reburial of his wife was done at the behest of his adopted son.
Under the terms of the final court order by the Federal Court for the Northern District Of Virginia in Alexandria in the spring of 1968, Remey or his assigned representatives were given 5 years to effect vacating the Remeum at which time the Truro Parish's Pohick Church would regain control of the site.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
http://chasinglosthistory.blogspot.com/2010/12/remeum-memorial-tomb-urban-legend-in.html
re: Jewel's quote: "The story is that she committed suicide during the first year of their marriage and left him millions."
During the course of the research into the history of not only the Remeum, but Mason Remey and his family, there have been absolutely no established documents that would lend credence to that quote.
The estate left him under the terms of her will which is still on file with the District of Columbia's Superior Court mentions sums considerably less. Mason Remey's wealth stemmed from his mother's estate and a to a lessor degree, monies derived from the Admiral's estate.
Given the fact that the Great Depression was already a factor, the Remey family was fortunate in that regard as their monies had not been tied up in stocks or investments that had been negatively affected by the crash of 1929 and the economic downturn that resulted. In fact, much of the family's wealth was held in trust by New York banking houses that had not been affected by the financial collapses that led to the Great Depression.
Another oddity was the disparity in the ages. He was 57 in 1932 when he married Gertrude Heim Klemm. She was in her early thirties. Little is known about their relationship, and Remey never married again. It has been verified that she killed herself although the exact reason is not clear.
Finally, movement of the bodies other deceased family members to New York was carried out by a relative by marriage and not by Mason Remey. At the time of the disinterments, he was living in extremely poor health in Florence, Italy, and in fact was to die lass than four years after the bodies had been moved. The reburial of his wife was done at the behest of his adopted son.
Under the terms of the final court order by the Federal Court for the Northern District Of Virginia in Alexandria in the spring of 1968, Remey or his assigned representatives were given 5 years to effect vacating the Remeum at which time the Truro Parish's Pohick Church would regain control of the site.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
http://chasinglosthistory.blogspot.com/2010/12/remeum-memorial-tomb-urban-legend-in.html
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Mike C
()
Date: January 24, 2011 05:25PM
Hey everybody:
I'm a local reporter and I'm looking to do a story about the Remeum. I've been down to the Virginia Room in Fairfax and have looked through a lot of the documentation, but I'd like to find a few people knowledgeable about the history of the mausoleum to fill in gaps in the information I have (and lend some interesting quotes).
I'm not terribly interested in stories of hanging out with your friends and how spooky it was, or urban legends or anything that is hearsay. I'd like to speak with people who actually know the history.
I've looked through the posts above and will likely contact a few of your directly. But if anybody has a good lead or good source, please let me know.
Thanks!
Mike
I'm a local reporter and I'm looking to do a story about the Remeum. I've been down to the Virginia Room in Fairfax and have looked through a lot of the documentation, but I'd like to find a few people knowledgeable about the history of the mausoleum to fill in gaps in the information I have (and lend some interesting quotes).
I'm not terribly interested in stories of hanging out with your friends and how spooky it was, or urban legends or anything that is hearsay. I'd like to speak with people who actually know the history.
I've looked through the posts above and will likely contact a few of your directly. But if anybody has a good lead or good source, please let me know.
Thanks!
Mike
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Bill
()
Date: January 24, 2011 09:32PM
Brody, I see that you write a lot on LGBT subjects. What's the connection with the Remey story?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
JackdUpFord
()
Date: January 24, 2011 09:39PM
Here is the writers info and some stuff he has written. I haven't read any, but just figured I'd post it up: http://fairfaxcity.patch.com/users/mike-conway
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
aaaaarrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhh
()
Date: January 24, 2011 09:44PM
A writer for Patch.com? Fuck that shit.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: January 25, 2011 07:51PM
Washington DC JAN 25 |
Dear Bill,
I write actually on mainstream, LGBTQ, and other news bits but as a political journalist not writing on technology, science, as those subjects are not my bailiwick.
I did minor in history when I matriculated at San Francisco City College, and later at UCSF nearly 33 years ago, but honestly, as my principal academic discipline and chosen career field was/is journalism I cannot lay claim to even being an 'amateur' historian.
What started this research was a conversation with a dear friend who grew up in the NOVA area and attended school there. Apparently, the urban legend that was 'the crypts' fascinated folk including him, who is acquainted with someone who apparently participated in several 'gatherings' there during its heyday in the mid 1970's.
What struck me, was once he showed me this thread and its accompanying stories, was the fact that there were so many questions, but no hard answers. Bill? There is no greater challenge to a journalist than that scenario.
For example, Charles Mason Remey was, to say the least, an egotistical eccentric who traveled in the rarefied air that was Washington's high society. His friends were often derisively referred to by the 32nd President of the United States, Franklin D. Roosevelt, as "cave dwellers." A note here, his home on Massachusetts Avenue that he designed and built is now the Chancery Annex to the Embassy of Mexico.
When he was a young architectural student, he lived as a very welcome guest in the Parisian apartment of Phoebe Apperson Hearst, mother of newspaper magnate and publisher William Randolph Hearst and patron of the University Of California. In fact, it was there he first encountered the Baha'i faith that later became the central critical component to his adult life until his passage in Florence, Italy.
I could go on but that would overwhelm this thread, so instead I set-up a blog to document the facts as I went along.
It is a fascinating story Bill. There are so many aspects to it aside from the Remeum itself. Which of course begs an answer to this central question: Why would Mason Remey invest over a million dollars in the construction of this magnificent and massive structure, and then walk away from it?
Bottom-line? At the end of a long day of reporting on other current news and issues Bill, this is a fun story to research and work on. So many questions, and not enough answers. By the way, I sent my assistant to review the wealth of materials in the Virginia Room at the Fairfax County Library, Fairfax City Branch, which though informative, raised even more questions and speculations. Although the question as to why the Truro Parish's Pohick brought the project to a rather abrupt halt was answered. The size of the "addition" to be constructed directly over the buried complex beneath it, would have been rather noticeable and absolutely would have overshadowed the church.
Principally, that was the reason the church sought to stop construction although, the vestrymen weren't happy at all with the continual intrusions by the local adolescents which created a headache for them and a nuisance for the Groveton later Mount Vernon substations of the Fairfax County Police Department.
Now, in chasing this story, I have run across even more fascinating bits of lost history related to things such as the airfield that once stood atop Beacon Hill along with its sister airfield in Hybla Valley along U. S. Route One in my quest for aerial photos and other documentation. I have spoken to one man, in his late 80's who flew out of Hybla Valley who remembers flying over the area of the Remeum while it was being built in the 1940's right after the second world war ended. His description verified what the plans we found in the several linear feet at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore revealed as to the size of this structure.
On top of that, we are unearthing a part of Fairfax County's history as a place of dairy farms and a pace of life that is virtually unrecognizable today. Its fascinating to beat that poor descriptive adjective to death. My interviews so far range from a former supervisor to a former Deacon of the Church to Baha'i historians and chroniclers.
One last thing Bill, the Admiral and his wife were never removed from their burial sites in Arlington National Cemetery and interred in the Remeum as a result of Mason Remey being blocked from doing so by his brothers who wanted nothing to do with his "project" as the family referred to it.
SO, there's a basic overview of why a freelance wire service reporter [ and a Canadian on top of that ] is poking around in an obscure tale around a historic church in the suburban Washington DC area.
Oh, here's the blog I have started for this and I will be adding as time goes on.
[ http://chasinglosthistory.blogspot.com/ ]
Feel free to contact me Bill if you'd like as well at theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Service LLC
Washington D. C.
Dear Bill,
I write actually on mainstream, LGBTQ, and other news bits but as a political journalist not writing on technology, science, as those subjects are not my bailiwick.
I did minor in history when I matriculated at San Francisco City College, and later at UCSF nearly 33 years ago, but honestly, as my principal academic discipline and chosen career field was/is journalism I cannot lay claim to even being an 'amateur' historian.
What started this research was a conversation with a dear friend who grew up in the NOVA area and attended school there. Apparently, the urban legend that was 'the crypts' fascinated folk including him, who is acquainted with someone who apparently participated in several 'gatherings' there during its heyday in the mid 1970's.
What struck me, was once he showed me this thread and its accompanying stories, was the fact that there were so many questions, but no hard answers. Bill? There is no greater challenge to a journalist than that scenario.
For example, Charles Mason Remey was, to say the least, an egotistical eccentric who traveled in the rarefied air that was Washington's high society. His friends were often derisively referred to by the 32nd President of the United States, Franklin D. Roosevelt, as "cave dwellers." A note here, his home on Massachusetts Avenue that he designed and built is now the Chancery Annex to the Embassy of Mexico.
When he was a young architectural student, he lived as a very welcome guest in the Parisian apartment of Phoebe Apperson Hearst, mother of newspaper magnate and publisher William Randolph Hearst and patron of the University Of California. In fact, it was there he first encountered the Baha'i faith that later became the central critical component to his adult life until his passage in Florence, Italy.
I could go on but that would overwhelm this thread, so instead I set-up a blog to document the facts as I went along.
It is a fascinating story Bill. There are so many aspects to it aside from the Remeum itself. Which of course begs an answer to this central question: Why would Mason Remey invest over a million dollars in the construction of this magnificent and massive structure, and then walk away from it?
Bottom-line? At the end of a long day of reporting on other current news and issues Bill, this is a fun story to research and work on. So many questions, and not enough answers. By the way, I sent my assistant to review the wealth of materials in the Virginia Room at the Fairfax County Library, Fairfax City Branch, which though informative, raised even more questions and speculations. Although the question as to why the Truro Parish's Pohick brought the project to a rather abrupt halt was answered. The size of the "addition" to be constructed directly over the buried complex beneath it, would have been rather noticeable and absolutely would have overshadowed the church.
Principally, that was the reason the church sought to stop construction although, the vestrymen weren't happy at all with the continual intrusions by the local adolescents which created a headache for them and a nuisance for the Groveton later Mount Vernon substations of the Fairfax County Police Department.
Now, in chasing this story, I have run across even more fascinating bits of lost history related to things such as the airfield that once stood atop Beacon Hill along with its sister airfield in Hybla Valley along U. S. Route One in my quest for aerial photos and other documentation. I have spoken to one man, in his late 80's who flew out of Hybla Valley who remembers flying over the area of the Remeum while it was being built in the 1940's right after the second world war ended. His description verified what the plans we found in the several linear feet at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore revealed as to the size of this structure.
On top of that, we are unearthing a part of Fairfax County's history as a place of dairy farms and a pace of life that is virtually unrecognizable today. Its fascinating to beat that poor descriptive adjective to death. My interviews so far range from a former supervisor to a former Deacon of the Church to Baha'i historians and chroniclers.
One last thing Bill, the Admiral and his wife were never removed from their burial sites in Arlington National Cemetery and interred in the Remeum as a result of Mason Remey being blocked from doing so by his brothers who wanted nothing to do with his "project" as the family referred to it.
SO, there's a basic overview of why a freelance wire service reporter [ and a Canadian on top of that ] is poking around in an obscure tale around a historic church in the suburban Washington DC area.
Oh, here's the blog I have started for this and I will be adding as time goes on.
[ http://chasinglosthistory.blogspot.com/ ]
Feel free to contact me Bill if you'd like as well at theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Service LLC
Washington D. C.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Lazy Mobster
()
Date: January 25, 2011 08:34PM
Just spent the better part of my evening reading this. Wow what a tale. I can't wait to hear more about this as it comes to light. What I'm most curious about is why the multiple level thing has not been proven or disproven yet. And why no archeaologit with a ground penetrating radar has been out there?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: January 25, 2011 11:52PM
Washington DC JAN 25 |
Re: Lazy Mobster's question(s) as to levels and use of technology in determine size and scope of the Remeum.
Dear LM,
I can safely answer both questions with some veracity as to the accuracy of what I am going to state.
There are not multiple levels in a conventional floor over floor over floor as it was constructed. Hence while the Bahia'i sanctuary and the chapels from floor to ceiling would measure as two conventional stories, the actual design called for a graduated step down which meant that while the 'upper level' maintained a ceiling height of 12 feet minus foundational footings, the descent was gradual and only a few stairs at a time which if you'll note from the architectural diagram that Mason Remey drew and as displayed elsewhere within this thread, the aforementioned chapel(s) and Baha'i sanctuary had ceilings at the 24 foot to 30 foot mark.
As I had previously written, thus the rough equivalent using the analogy and comparison of an in-ground swimming pool.
As far as ground penetrating sonar/radar/x-rays et cetera. The Truro Parish's Pohick Church does not in any way shape or form want any attention drawn to the Remeum. It is partially due to politics, problems, the fact that it was a public nuisance, and was a considerable legal liability to the church.
A good deal of the politics revolves around Mason Remey and his purposes/motivations for building the facility, which even now create conflicts.
Having spoken to a source at the church, I can assure you they definitely do not want this issue revisited and very much do not desire to have folks poking around on the site. Now, my source was terribly gracious but firm on that point.
The County also doesn't want, as one person in Supervisor Gerry Hyland (D-Mount Vernon) told me. Of course the Fairfax County Police Department really doesn't want to repeat history either.
Now, I am not going to make a comment or form an opinion on the pros and cons of an archeological exploration as its not germane to my researching and writing the story. I can only contribute that the Pohick Church as well as certain elements of the County government would absolutely be grateful to see this subject relegated to a shelf gathering dust in the library.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Lazy Mobster's question(s) as to levels and use of technology in determine size and scope of the Remeum.
Dear LM,
I can safely answer both questions with some veracity as to the accuracy of what I am going to state.
There are not multiple levels in a conventional floor over floor over floor as it was constructed. Hence while the Bahia'i sanctuary and the chapels from floor to ceiling would measure as two conventional stories, the actual design called for a graduated step down which meant that while the 'upper level' maintained a ceiling height of 12 feet minus foundational footings, the descent was gradual and only a few stairs at a time which if you'll note from the architectural diagram that Mason Remey drew and as displayed elsewhere within this thread, the aforementioned chapel(s) and Baha'i sanctuary had ceilings at the 24 foot to 30 foot mark.
As I had previously written, thus the rough equivalent using the analogy and comparison of an in-ground swimming pool.
As far as ground penetrating sonar/radar/x-rays et cetera. The Truro Parish's Pohick Church does not in any way shape or form want any attention drawn to the Remeum. It is partially due to politics, problems, the fact that it was a public nuisance, and was a considerable legal liability to the church.
A good deal of the politics revolves around Mason Remey and his purposes/motivations for building the facility, which even now create conflicts.
Having spoken to a source at the church, I can assure you they definitely do not want this issue revisited and very much do not desire to have folks poking around on the site. Now, my source was terribly gracious but firm on that point.
The County also doesn't want, as one person in Supervisor Gerry Hyland (D-Mount Vernon) told me. Of course the Fairfax County Police Department really doesn't want to repeat history either.
Now, I am not going to make a comment or form an opinion on the pros and cons of an archeological exploration as its not germane to my researching and writing the story. I can only contribute that the Pohick Church as well as certain elements of the County government would absolutely be grateful to see this subject relegated to a shelf gathering dust in the library.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Pinhead the Cenobite
()
Date: January 25, 2011 11:57PM
This reminds me of the grave stones you see on the corner of Nutley Avenue and Route 29 up in Fairfax - by the Starbucks.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Nutley and 29
()
Date: January 26, 2011 06:09AM
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/branches/vr/cem/cem014.htm
The grave site at Nutley and Rt. 29 is a family cemetary. The graves are Civil War era, thus the Confederate flags you see from time to time. The Thompson Family still owns that parcel of land abutting the Pan Am shopping center, along with some other large tracts north and south on Lee Hwy.
The grave site at Nutley and Rt. 29 is a family cemetary. The graves are Civil War era, thus the Confederate flags you see from time to time. The Thompson Family still owns that parcel of land abutting the Pan Am shopping center, along with some other large tracts north and south on Lee Hwy.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Anonymous Fan of Thread
()
Date: January 26, 2011 06:12AM
Great work Brody! Keep it up!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: January 26, 2011 07:10AM
I have to agree that we all owe you a big thanks for your thorough research, Brody. They weren't necessarilly the answers I wanted to hear, in respect to the pencil-pushers having no desire to unearth the Crypt because they won't give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I guess the silver lining is that they're not so up in arms that they plan on destroying what's left. Maybe all we need to do is have some patience and hope that someone, someday appreciates the history for what it was and starts digging.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
digger
()
Date: January 26, 2011 01:45PM
I went metal detecting on the south side of the hill this place was on. It looked like it might have been one of the old pickets from the civil war. as it turns out it was, in my opinion, an ols latrene from the builders. looked like it would have been an over sized (long) fox hole and I found about 25 early 1900's penny's I think the latest was from around 1914. I don't recall exactly as I was looking for relics not nearly modern coins. A message to any relic hunters out there this entire area is totally trashy so much so discrimination and ground balance don't always work,
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Huntington
()
Date: January 26, 2011 02:24PM
Very cool Brody, thanks for the work! Love this thread.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
703
()
Date: January 26, 2011 03:07PM
Soooo, why hasn't anyone started digging? Little...bits...at...a...time.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: January 26, 2011 04:04PM
Washington DC JAN 25 |
Dear Folks,
First I want to thank each & everyone who has sent me e-mails regarding the ongoing as yet still untitled story regarding the Remeum and I especially want to express my gratitude for your kind words and also here on this thread as well.
I'm going to take a few minutes and answer some of the questions that you've asked and also I'd like to point out that if there are any of you out there who have further sources or may wish out to point out discrepancies, by all means please let me know.
Okay, a reader asked about stairs on either side of the Baha'i sanctuary. From the description afforded me by an architectural expert as well as facts that I have been able ascertain from snippets of data in the collections of Mason Remey's papers and letters, those stairs go up and are capped by two solid concrete "lids" which lie at a depth of around 6 feet under the soil at grade but, given the passage of now 64 years that depth may be slightly greater. Also, judging from the aerial shots that are available dating from the 1950's forward, the area reforested naturally, which means that quite likely there could be trees and root structures covering those caplids as well.
Now, by way of explanation, and since photo documentation is currently not available, I'll attempt to paint a picture here with words. Those staircases are enclosed in stairwells that best resemble the "towers" of a 12th century English or French castle. Or for those of you who've been able to visit a lighthouse, picture the interior stairs leading up to the actual light & mechanism.
These stairwells were to provide access to the the Remeum from the proposed "addition" that was to be built directly above the buried crypts & chapels. It would be fair to say that the addition faintly resembled the Lincoln Memorial with the top two stories of the George Washington Memorial Masonic Temple as the "roof," while although was not on the same scale as those two structures, still would have been large enough to be seen for quite some distance as the Pohick Church and the property actually sit astride the crest of a ridge.
Now, until I have a chance to update the blogsite with the referenced architectural drawings, I should point out that this addition's scaled architectural drawing and description in Mason Remey's own hand, is part of the rare book & papers collections of the Remey collection which is available for public perusal at the Virginia Room, of the Fairfax City Branch, of the Fairfax County public library.
Now, another reader wanted to know about the construction of the structure. My staff, who are immensely enjoying researching this by the way, and I are looking for the actual vendors of materials used. Principally, the Stone & Brickyard that provided the bricks. Now, the cement as it was called and concrete work was most likely done on site. We know that a bulk of the construction was carried out between 1939 and 1948 in terms of the underground portion. But, it should be noted, that the work was sporadic during the time period 1942 to 1945 as a result of wartime shortages of materials and obviously manpower.
Now, that doesn't mean that there was a cessation of work, but rather wartime priorities took centre stage with major projects at nearby Fort Belvoir, the Pentagon, Fort Hunt, and other defence projects in greater Northern Virgina. This meant that the skilled crafts and journeymen would have worked on Mason Remy's structure, did so piecemeal, hence the decade plus time period from excavation to recovering and grading of the underground site along with grading to elevation specified for the outdoor courtyards and atrium.
Because of wartime shortages, the construction would not have included steel reinforcements, just a simple concrete and brickwork execution.
Decorative features including the various bas reliefs depicting the family history, the concrete lions that stood guard at the entrance to the colonnaded inner atrium, of course the statues and other sculptures were being added starting during the 1950's and into the early 1960's.
From my understanding from the curator's at the NATIONAL BUILDING MUSEUM | 401 F Street NW Washington, DC 20001 | 202.272.2448 | Red Line Metro, Judiciary Square
Hours: Mon - Sat 10:00 am - 5:00 pm, Sun 11:00 am - 5:00 pm | with whom I shared enlarged versions of some of the photographs that were taken by the readership of this thread, the brickwork is executed in such a way as to quite literally last numerous centuries, but more importantly, be able to sustain the weight of the earth above the structure. In the case of the sections further back from those shots and based on the Remey draftsman drawing, the walls, footings, and vaulted ceilings were built not only to withstand the pressure of the earth fill, but also support the weight of the proposed addition.
Another reader wanted to know the exact floor footprint in terms of square feet.
Without the actual construction blueprints available at this time its damn near impossible to give an accurate assessment.
I am tracking down those blueprints as we have discovered that they still exist. However, I need to dispel the notion that the structure "ran" under Pohick Road or even US Route One. Judging from what the experts with whom I have consulted have explained, the Baha'i sanctuary would have been approximately less than 150 yards southeast of the residence referred to as "Stumpy's" which in fact was the Pohick Church Sexton-Warder's residence. The axis of the underground structure was such as if a clock-face were used as a reference point, the alignment would be that the Remeum would be pointed at "noon" or 12 o'clock and the Pohick church would be at one o'clock.
Again, as we search for what seems to be highly elusive aerial photographs taken during the time period 1939 to 1948, or better, construction photos should those exist, its difficult to describe.
Now, the other search that is running concurrently is documentation of monies spent by way of cancelled cheques, bank-drafts, or other financials documenting monies spent on materials or wages. For example, located directly across the US highway 1 was a small travel court built in the 1930's. It was later called the Pohick Inn. It is very possible that a Guest Register if still in existence may shed light on workers, craftsmen, or others who may have been connected to the project.
Now, one last question I need to answer. Access to the other sections and the rumors attached to them. I need to point out, that a contractor was hired to "plug" the access to the other portions of The Remeum in the spring of 1970. This coincided with removal of the 15 remains as well as interring Mrs. Mason Remey in the Church which actually wasn't accomplished until 1972. The specified method called for was construction of two walls of cinderblocks with a layer of dirt fill packed and spaced between them. Hence, if you punched through one wall you'd encounter a dirt barrier. Rather effective at discouraging further exploration.
Now, that stated, there are those individuals who in fact have explored the entire space prior to those plugs being installed. By the way, if you look at the pictures that show the statue of Admiral George Collier Remey USN and his wife facing the photographer, you can just barely make out one of those plugs in the passageway behind the statue.
I am currently seeking out those folks along with other verified documentation/information so please bear with me as I research that.
I'll be covering more on construction details later but please feel free to email me with questions or post them here and I shall try to answer them. In some cases, I need to forewarn that I may not be able to provide an answer as I too am still searching for that particular answer.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Dear Folks,
First I want to thank each & everyone who has sent me e-mails regarding the ongoing as yet still untitled story regarding the Remeum and I especially want to express my gratitude for your kind words and also here on this thread as well.
I'm going to take a few minutes and answer some of the questions that you've asked and also I'd like to point out that if there are any of you out there who have further sources or may wish out to point out discrepancies, by all means please let me know.
Okay, a reader asked about stairs on either side of the Baha'i sanctuary. From the description afforded me by an architectural expert as well as facts that I have been able ascertain from snippets of data in the collections of Mason Remey's papers and letters, those stairs go up and are capped by two solid concrete "lids" which lie at a depth of around 6 feet under the soil at grade but, given the passage of now 64 years that depth may be slightly greater. Also, judging from the aerial shots that are available dating from the 1950's forward, the area reforested naturally, which means that quite likely there could be trees and root structures covering those caplids as well.
Now, by way of explanation, and since photo documentation is currently not available, I'll attempt to paint a picture here with words. Those staircases are enclosed in stairwells that best resemble the "towers" of a 12th century English or French castle. Or for those of you who've been able to visit a lighthouse, picture the interior stairs leading up to the actual light & mechanism.
These stairwells were to provide access to the the Remeum from the proposed "addition" that was to be built directly above the buried crypts & chapels. It would be fair to say that the addition faintly resembled the Lincoln Memorial with the top two stories of the George Washington Memorial Masonic Temple as the "roof," while although was not on the same scale as those two structures, still would have been large enough to be seen for quite some distance as the Pohick Church and the property actually sit astride the crest of a ridge.
Now, until I have a chance to update the blogsite with the referenced architectural drawings, I should point out that this addition's scaled architectural drawing and description in Mason Remey's own hand, is part of the rare book & papers collections of the Remey collection which is available for public perusal at the Virginia Room, of the Fairfax City Branch, of the Fairfax County public library.
Now, another reader wanted to know about the construction of the structure. My staff, who are immensely enjoying researching this by the way, and I are looking for the actual vendors of materials used. Principally, the Stone & Brickyard that provided the bricks. Now, the cement as it was called and concrete work was most likely done on site. We know that a bulk of the construction was carried out between 1939 and 1948 in terms of the underground portion. But, it should be noted, that the work was sporadic during the time period 1942 to 1945 as a result of wartime shortages of materials and obviously manpower.
Now, that doesn't mean that there was a cessation of work, but rather wartime priorities took centre stage with major projects at nearby Fort Belvoir, the Pentagon, Fort Hunt, and other defence projects in greater Northern Virgina. This meant that the skilled crafts and journeymen would have worked on Mason Remy's structure, did so piecemeal, hence the decade plus time period from excavation to recovering and grading of the underground site along with grading to elevation specified for the outdoor courtyards and atrium.
Because of wartime shortages, the construction would not have included steel reinforcements, just a simple concrete and brickwork execution.
Decorative features including the various bas reliefs depicting the family history, the concrete lions that stood guard at the entrance to the colonnaded inner atrium, of course the statues and other sculptures were being added starting during the 1950's and into the early 1960's.
From my understanding from the curator's at the NATIONAL BUILDING MUSEUM | 401 F Street NW Washington, DC 20001 | 202.272.2448 | Red Line Metro, Judiciary Square
Hours: Mon - Sat 10:00 am - 5:00 pm, Sun 11:00 am - 5:00 pm | with whom I shared enlarged versions of some of the photographs that were taken by the readership of this thread, the brickwork is executed in such a way as to quite literally last numerous centuries, but more importantly, be able to sustain the weight of the earth above the structure. In the case of the sections further back from those shots and based on the Remey draftsman drawing, the walls, footings, and vaulted ceilings were built not only to withstand the pressure of the earth fill, but also support the weight of the proposed addition.
Another reader wanted to know the exact floor footprint in terms of square feet.
Without the actual construction blueprints available at this time its damn near impossible to give an accurate assessment.
I am tracking down those blueprints as we have discovered that they still exist. However, I need to dispel the notion that the structure "ran" under Pohick Road or even US Route One. Judging from what the experts with whom I have consulted have explained, the Baha'i sanctuary would have been approximately less than 150 yards southeast of the residence referred to as "Stumpy's" which in fact was the Pohick Church Sexton-Warder's residence. The axis of the underground structure was such as if a clock-face were used as a reference point, the alignment would be that the Remeum would be pointed at "noon" or 12 o'clock and the Pohick church would be at one o'clock.
Again, as we search for what seems to be highly elusive aerial photographs taken during the time period 1939 to 1948, or better, construction photos should those exist, its difficult to describe.
Now, the other search that is running concurrently is documentation of monies spent by way of cancelled cheques, bank-drafts, or other financials documenting monies spent on materials or wages. For example, located directly across the US highway 1 was a small travel court built in the 1930's. It was later called the Pohick Inn. It is very possible that a Guest Register if still in existence may shed light on workers, craftsmen, or others who may have been connected to the project.
Now, one last question I need to answer. Access to the other sections and the rumors attached to them. I need to point out, that a contractor was hired to "plug" the access to the other portions of The Remeum in the spring of 1970. This coincided with removal of the 15 remains as well as interring Mrs. Mason Remey in the Church which actually wasn't accomplished until 1972. The specified method called for was construction of two walls of cinderblocks with a layer of dirt fill packed and spaced between them. Hence, if you punched through one wall you'd encounter a dirt barrier. Rather effective at discouraging further exploration.
Now, that stated, there are those individuals who in fact have explored the entire space prior to those plugs being installed. By the way, if you look at the pictures that show the statue of Admiral George Collier Remey USN and his wife facing the photographer, you can just barely make out one of those plugs in the passageway behind the statue.
I am currently seeking out those folks along with other verified documentation/information so please bear with me as I research that.
I'll be covering more on construction details later but please feel free to email me with questions or post them here and I shall try to answer them. In some cases, I need to forewarn that I may not be able to provide an answer as I too am still searching for that particular answer.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jewel
()
Date: January 27, 2011 12:28AM
Dear Mr. Levesque,
Thanks for the correction about Mrs. Remey. As I said before, most of what I knew of the story came from being passed around by high school kids. It is fascinating learning more about it. I love history and a good mystery and the crypts give you both. I look forward to reading more from other crypt crawlers and would love to hear some of the rumors that flew at other schools. I hope some more photos turn up. Finally I thank you for putting the time and effort into unraveling this tale; separating the facts from the fiction.
Cheers!
Jewel
Thanks for the correction about Mrs. Remey. As I said before, most of what I knew of the story came from being passed around by high school kids. It is fascinating learning more about it. I love history and a good mystery and the crypts give you both. I look forward to reading more from other crypt crawlers and would love to hear some of the rumors that flew at other schools. I hope some more photos turn up. Finally I thank you for putting the time and effort into unraveling this tale; separating the facts from the fiction.
Cheers!
Jewel
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: January 27, 2011 11:32PM
Washington DC JAN 27 |
Gentlefolk,
I am establishing the following list of local high schools whose student bodies were aware of or in some cases individually, participated in "events" at the Remeum from the time period of March 1956 until the 1983 when access was eventually eliminated completely by the Pohick Church.
Please be so kind as to let me know if I've forgotten a school.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Principally students from these High Schools:
Mount Vernon High School * Mt. Vernon-Ft. Belvoir Areas
Groveton (now West Potomac) High School * Groveton-Beacon Hill Areas
Hayfield High School * Telegraph-Kingstowne Areas
Thomas Edison High School * Franconia Area
Robert E. Lee High School * Franconia-Springfield Areas
Rarely but additionally also students from:
Lake Braddock High School * Burke-Kings Park Areas
W. T. Woodson High School * Fairfax City
Annandale High School * Annandale-North Springfield Areas
West Springfield High School * West Springfield-Burke Areas
Gentlefolk,
I am establishing the following list of local high schools whose student bodies were aware of or in some cases individually, participated in "events" at the Remeum from the time period of March 1956 until the 1983 when access was eventually eliminated completely by the Pohick Church.
Please be so kind as to let me know if I've forgotten a school.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Principally students from these High Schools:
Mount Vernon High School * Mt. Vernon-Ft. Belvoir Areas
Groveton (now West Potomac) High School * Groveton-Beacon Hill Areas
Hayfield High School * Telegraph-Kingstowne Areas
Thomas Edison High School * Franconia Area
Robert E. Lee High School * Franconia-Springfield Areas
Rarely but additionally also students from:
Lake Braddock High School * Burke-Kings Park Areas
W. T. Woodson High School * Fairfax City
Annandale High School * Annandale-North Springfield Areas
West Springfield High School * West Springfield-Burke Areas
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
CBLB78
()
Date: January 28, 2011 11:48AM
I would hardly consider Lake Braddock as rarely involved at all. I was there and it was a regular destination for many LB students. There was also a Connection story posted here with pictures and dialogue about LB students.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: January 28, 2011 04:21PM
Washington DC JAN 28 |
Dear CBLB78,
I had read that along with the copy of the article mentioned that is archived at the Fairfax County Public library as well in the Virginia Room.
My immediate question was "frequency" and "consistency" of participants from the local schools during the many 'gatherings' at the Remeum.
I certainly am not attempting to downplay any group's involvement or knowledge but merely am attempting to establish the facts v. the legends.
That said, I accept that there were pupils from all of the aforementioned lists that had knowledge of or traveled to for 'gatherings' at the Remeum. Frequency of appearance was rated by proximity, yet as this is still ongoing, I am more than happy to continue to document and add as I go along.
Of course, the interesting aspects of this story are more how the tale was spread and the resulting "legends" that accompanied the tale. Right now, I am establishing an outline sketch of the timeline from 1939 till 1983, and all pupils that were there quite obviously factor into the storyline.
Separation again was only by what few facts we have gathered thus far and as a result sir, the lists are fluid in that regard.
Since it has now been over 27 years, and I've checked, outside of possibly the embarrassment due to public exposure if revealed involuntarily, none of the persons who attended functions there during its heyday would be vulnerable to criminal charges or civil liabilities.
I fully intend to keep sources anonymous if so asked as that's a principle of my profession that I strictly adhere to. I have been getting e-mails with contributions by means of telling me the experiences the writer's had at the 'crypts' as is the common term for which I am deeply appreciative.
At some point, I intend to also interview the author of that Connection Newspaper article for his impressions as well.
The thing is this though, there are so many different aspects to the overall story which are fascinating. In some regards, not unlike a difficult puzzle.
So, I accept that I stand corrected on Lake Braddock High School and also invite further comments. reflections on experiences, or knowledge of aspects of this story that might other wise get overlooked.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Dear CBLB78,
I had read that along with the copy of the article mentioned that is archived at the Fairfax County Public library as well in the Virginia Room.
My immediate question was "frequency" and "consistency" of participants from the local schools during the many 'gatherings' at the Remeum.
I certainly am not attempting to downplay any group's involvement or knowledge but merely am attempting to establish the facts v. the legends.
That said, I accept that there were pupils from all of the aforementioned lists that had knowledge of or traveled to for 'gatherings' at the Remeum. Frequency of appearance was rated by proximity, yet as this is still ongoing, I am more than happy to continue to document and add as I go along.
Of course, the interesting aspects of this story are more how the tale was spread and the resulting "legends" that accompanied the tale. Right now, I am establishing an outline sketch of the timeline from 1939 till 1983, and all pupils that were there quite obviously factor into the storyline.
Separation again was only by what few facts we have gathered thus far and as a result sir, the lists are fluid in that regard.
Since it has now been over 27 years, and I've checked, outside of possibly the embarrassment due to public exposure if revealed involuntarily, none of the persons who attended functions there during its heyday would be vulnerable to criminal charges or civil liabilities.
I fully intend to keep sources anonymous if so asked as that's a principle of my profession that I strictly adhere to. I have been getting e-mails with contributions by means of telling me the experiences the writer's had at the 'crypts' as is the common term for which I am deeply appreciative.
At some point, I intend to also interview the author of that Connection Newspaper article for his impressions as well.
The thing is this though, there are so many different aspects to the overall story which are fascinating. In some regards, not unlike a difficult puzzle.
So, I accept that I stand corrected on Lake Braddock High School and also invite further comments. reflections on experiences, or knowledge of aspects of this story that might other wise get overlooked.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
CBLB78
()
Date: January 28, 2011 07:38PM
Brody,
No offense taken at all! I just thought you were looking for feedback.
I would say that knowledge of the Crypts spread word of mouth from other kids all over Northern Virginia. Gas was cheap and nobody minded a road trip out to Rt. 1 so I think it would be difficult to realistically concentrate the visitors to a handful of high schools. You really never knew who you would run into when you climbed down in there and they weren't all high school students.
Thanks for your work on this! We never knew any of this history back in the day.
No offense taken at all! I just thought you were looking for feedback.
I would say that knowledge of the Crypts spread word of mouth from other kids all over Northern Virginia. Gas was cheap and nobody minded a road trip out to Rt. 1 so I think it would be difficult to realistically concentrate the visitors to a handful of high schools. You really never knew who you would run into when you climbed down in there and they weren't all high school students.
Thanks for your work on this! We never knew any of this history back in the day.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
VANative
()
Date: January 28, 2011 08:26PM
Principally students from these High Schools:
Mount Vernon High School * Mt. Vernon-Ft. Belvoir Areas
Groveton (now West Potomac) High School * Groveton-Beacon Hill Areas
The above is correct, but you have omitted Fort Hunt High School.
Mount Vernon High School * Mt. Vernon-Ft. Belvoir Areas
Groveton (now West Potomac) High School * Groveton-Beacon Hill Areas
The above is correct, but you have omitted Fort Hunt High School.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: January 28, 2011 08:42PM
Washington DC JAN 28 |
Dear CBLB78 and VANative,
Thank you for your kindness and I have updated the list we are building on the "participating" schools.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Dear CBLB78 and VANative,
Thank you for your kindness and I have updated the list we are building on the "participating" schools.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: January 28, 2011 11:10PM
Washington DC JAN 28 |
Dear Jewel,
I thought you'd get a kick out of the following promotional advert that Cornell University's special collections ran when they displayed the many various fashions worn by Mrs. C. M. Remey, that were donated by Mason Remey after her death.
As I've written earlier, Mason, along with his wife were members of Washington's 'power' elite and as such were quite fashionable.
Mason Remey trained as an architect at Cornell University (1893–1896), before leaving to attend the prestigious École des Beaux-Arts in Paris, France (1896–1903).
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
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Dear Jewel,
I thought you'd get a kick out of the following promotional advert that Cornell University's special collections ran when they displayed the many various fashions worn by Mrs. C. M. Remey, that were donated by Mason Remey after her death.
As I've written earlier, Mason, along with his wife were members of Washington's 'power' elite and as such were quite fashionable.
Mason Remey trained as an architect at Cornell University (1893–1896), before leaving to attend the prestigious École des Beaux-Arts in Paris, France (1896–1903).
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Attachments:
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jewel
()
Date: January 29, 2011 03:39AM
Dear Mr. Levesque,
If there is one thing I love more than history it is fashion! Thank you so much for the link. I once participated in an interactive theater production where I played Madeline Astor on the Titanic crossing. I researched and constructed a few pieces of period clothes to wear in it. The detail in early 1900s clothing is daunting but lovely. I will have to put a trip to the collection on my bucket list.
Thanks again!
Jewel
If there is one thing I love more than history it is fashion! Thank you so much for the link. I once participated in an interactive theater production where I played Madeline Astor on the Titanic crossing. I researched and constructed a few pieces of period clothes to wear in it. The detail in early 1900s clothing is daunting but lovely. I will have to put a trip to the collection on my bucket list.
Thanks again!
Jewel
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
darkstar
()
Date: January 31, 2011 05:50PM
Hi Brody
Thank you for all of the information you have been providing in regards to the Remey Crypt.
It was a fascinating place back in the day that I visited many times. I went to Hayfield Secondary which served students in the Lorton area starting in 1973.
Prior to that time Lorton residents went to West Springfield HS. The county changed the bus boundaries in 1973. Students who were currently enrolled in West Springfield in 1973 continued to attend West Springfield. Intermediate students who attended Washington Irving Intermediate, like myself, were bused to Hayfield to start the 1973/74 school years. Some families had half of their children attending West Springfield and half attending Hayfield.
You must not rule out students who attended Washington Irving Intermediate school as they could have likely visited Remey Crypts as well.
Like another person pointed out it wasn't just area students who visited the Crypts. Word was out about the place for many years and it became a big attraction to people of all ages whos residence could have been in neighboring states.
We all attended concerts at Capital Centre, (Landover MD) back in those times and I'm sure the Crypts were mentioned more than once as a place to go not only for its creepiness but another place to party. In addition, a lot of the Lorton parties played host to non-residents as well.
I once found a link to a Customs Agency, I believe in the Baltimore area that gave Remey a citation for not having a permit to import marble statues from Italy. Remey was trying to evade paying import taxes. There should be some documentation that exists that will enable further research along those lines.
There was a brickyard at Lorton Reformatory just off of Route 123 (Ox Road) that was continuously turning out product at the time the Crypt would have been built. A few dollars passed along to the right hands back in those days could have resulted in a supply of bricks to contractors.
You may want to contact the alumni of the former George Washington HS as some of them may have known about the Crypts back in the 1950s and early to mid 1960s.
http://gwhsaa.com/
By any chance did you ever visit the Crypt prior to it being covered over by the Church?
Thanks again for all of your work on this subject.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2011 07:10PM by darkstar.
Thank you for all of the information you have been providing in regards to the Remey Crypt.
It was a fascinating place back in the day that I visited many times. I went to Hayfield Secondary which served students in the Lorton area starting in 1973.
Prior to that time Lorton residents went to West Springfield HS. The county changed the bus boundaries in 1973. Students who were currently enrolled in West Springfield in 1973 continued to attend West Springfield. Intermediate students who attended Washington Irving Intermediate, like myself, were bused to Hayfield to start the 1973/74 school years. Some families had half of their children attending West Springfield and half attending Hayfield.
You must not rule out students who attended Washington Irving Intermediate school as they could have likely visited Remey Crypts as well.
Like another person pointed out it wasn't just area students who visited the Crypts. Word was out about the place for many years and it became a big attraction to people of all ages whos residence could have been in neighboring states.
We all attended concerts at Capital Centre, (Landover MD) back in those times and I'm sure the Crypts were mentioned more than once as a place to go not only for its creepiness but another place to party. In addition, a lot of the Lorton parties played host to non-residents as well.
I once found a link to a Customs Agency, I believe in the Baltimore area that gave Remey a citation for not having a permit to import marble statues from Italy. Remey was trying to evade paying import taxes. There should be some documentation that exists that will enable further research along those lines.
There was a brickyard at Lorton Reformatory just off of Route 123 (Ox Road) that was continuously turning out product at the time the Crypt would have been built. A few dollars passed along to the right hands back in those days could have resulted in a supply of bricks to contractors.
You may want to contact the alumni of the former George Washington HS as some of them may have known about the Crypts back in the 1950s and early to mid 1960s.
http://gwhsaa.com/
By any chance did you ever visit the Crypt prior to it being covered over by the Church?
Thanks again for all of your work on this subject.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2011 07:10PM by darkstar.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: January 31, 2011 11:28PM
Washington DC JAN 31 |
Dear Darkstar,
Thank you for the leads, especially the U. S. Customs lead as that will augment some other information that I am trying to verify.
To answer to your question about my visiting the site prior to the Pohick Parish burying the facility, simply, no sadly I did not.
I grew up in Ontario province, Canada, near Toronto. I then moved to San Francisco, California for university in 1979 and later commenced my career as a cub reporter for the old UPI which has now been transformed into an organisation that bears little resemblance to the outfit I worked for 30 years ago.
Now, I have interviewed a former member of the 'Pagan' motorcycle club, a gentleman in his early 60's, who grew up "on the highway" as he refers to US 1 and who also apparently "partied" at the Remeum in the 1970's.
Some of his stories are interesting, albeit a tad bit hazy due to his self admitted over indulgence of shall I say, "restricted chemicals and alcohol" which leads to sketchy details obviously.
However, he has been able to fill in gaps surrounding the culture of that time and given me historical references which are invaluable to filling in the gaps. His only request was that I simply refer to him by his M/C club name of 'Spike' which I decided that I didn't need a detailed explanation of how he arrived at that particular handle. In way of a further note, he has a rather extensive collection of tattoos & body art along with interesting scars and accompanying explanations of how he ended up with them.
'Spike' was able to debunk the so-called murdered girls urban legend, which was further verified by a retired Fairfax County Police Department homicide investigator. He also gained credibility by articulately citing details of the interior of the structure and other locations that his M/C club hung at that were independently verified.
To be honest, this story is absolutely incredible in terms of the generations involved, the historical perspectives, and finally, the persons involved in teh building, design, and then the family history too.
For example, Mason Remey's maternal grandfather was in charge of the United States Patent office before the American Civil War. One of the persons Judge Mason hired to assist him was none other than Clara Barton, who went on to gain fame as the founder of the American Red Cross.
I am checking also on your lead regarding the brickworks at the Lorton Reformatory too. Given the high society circles that Mason Remey traveled, having a connection there is not all that far fetched.
I have also added George Washington High School in Alexandria along with the Washington Irving Intermediate to the list. Would you or any of the other readers consider adding T. C. Williams High School to that list or no?
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
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Dear Darkstar,
Thank you for the leads, especially the U. S. Customs lead as that will augment some other information that I am trying to verify.
To answer to your question about my visiting the site prior to the Pohick Parish burying the facility, simply, no sadly I did not.
I grew up in Ontario province, Canada, near Toronto. I then moved to San Francisco, California for university in 1979 and later commenced my career as a cub reporter for the old UPI which has now been transformed into an organisation that bears little resemblance to the outfit I worked for 30 years ago.
Now, I have interviewed a former member of the 'Pagan' motorcycle club, a gentleman in his early 60's, who grew up "on the highway" as he refers to US 1 and who also apparently "partied" at the Remeum in the 1970's.
Some of his stories are interesting, albeit a tad bit hazy due to his self admitted over indulgence of shall I say, "restricted chemicals and alcohol" which leads to sketchy details obviously.
However, he has been able to fill in gaps surrounding the culture of that time and given me historical references which are invaluable to filling in the gaps. His only request was that I simply refer to him by his M/C club name of 'Spike' which I decided that I didn't need a detailed explanation of how he arrived at that particular handle. In way of a further note, he has a rather extensive collection of tattoos & body art along with interesting scars and accompanying explanations of how he ended up with them.
'Spike' was able to debunk the so-called murdered girls urban legend, which was further verified by a retired Fairfax County Police Department homicide investigator. He also gained credibility by articulately citing details of the interior of the structure and other locations that his M/C club hung at that were independently verified.
To be honest, this story is absolutely incredible in terms of the generations involved, the historical perspectives, and finally, the persons involved in teh building, design, and then the family history too.
For example, Mason Remey's maternal grandfather was in charge of the United States Patent office before the American Civil War. One of the persons Judge Mason hired to assist him was none other than Clara Barton, who went on to gain fame as the founder of the American Red Cross.
I am checking also on your lead regarding the brickworks at the Lorton Reformatory too. Given the high society circles that Mason Remey traveled, having a connection there is not all that far fetched.
I have also added George Washington High School in Alexandria along with the Washington Irving Intermediate to the list. Would you or any of the other readers consider adding T. C. Williams High School to that list or no?
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
One of the gang
()
Date: February 01, 2011 06:19AM
Hi Brody, what does it mean that the Remeys were a part of the "power elite"? What I mean is, were they just people with money and nice clothing who lived in DC, or were they actually connected? My impression is that to this day, DC is extremely extremely power hungry and status conscious, that everyone is measuring everyone else's status to the millimeter, and I'm just curious what Remey's stature derived from. OK, he was an architect, so were lots of others. Was his status from his Admiral father?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: February 01, 2011 10:59AM
Washington DC FEB 1 |
Re: "What does it mean that the Remeys were a part of the "power elite"?
Dear One Of The Gang,
Famed journalist,correspondent, and student of history David Brinkley wrote in his book, 'Washington Goes To War:'
“Not many huge fortunes were ever made in Washington, but a great many made elsewhere were spent there."
To answer your question fairly, the Remey family was extremely well off by the standards of the day. The family also held long connections to Washington City as it was then known to its social elite. Some of whom also were political brokers as well.
One of the peculiarities to Washington for years, lessor so now, is that there were residents who came and went with the various administrations and Congresses and the 'permanent' inhabitants of the city.
Brinkley wrote:
"With social status depending on presidential administrations, appointments, and elections, Washington Society has never been conducive toward an “Old-money†crowd. That said, someone had to build the city, and though they are an elusive and restrictive bunch, I’ve found them.
Known as the “Cave Dwellers†due to their invisibility around town, these permanent establishment types made their homes in the Kalorama neighborhood of northwest DC. It was an isolated neighborhood; residents had their chauffeurs take them around town and their children attended private schools. When we see street signs in DC, it’s these characters for which they are named. Many of the Cave Dwellers descended from the original families in the area, dating back to 1634. DC was on their land, and they considered themselves to be caretakers of the federal government and the nation by extension.
Long used to having a say in government, President of the Riggs National Bank Charles Glover—of the Glover Park Glovers—used to walk across Pennsylvania Avenue to discuss financial affairs with the Secretary of the Treasury. Truth be told, he was such a common sight that the Secretary gave him a desk in the building. In 1915 a new comptroller ordered the desk removed, believing it bad federal policy for a private banker to have a personal desk at the Treasury building. This did not go over well with Charles Glover, who walked up to the comptroller and hit him on the head with his cane.
The event signaled the removal of Cave Dwellers from government affairs. The final nail in the coffin was the arrival of FDRs New Dealers, seen as young, idealistic, academic, social workers, guilty of wearing the wrong colored shoe at dinner. The Washington families wanted nothing to do with the “communist†New Dealers, and in turn the New Dealers were happy to avoid the “fascist†Cave Dwellers. Oh sure, the Cave Dwellers could still be seen at the Metropolitan or the Chevy Chase Country Club, but after the 30s, the Cave Dwellers mainly kept to themselves."
FDR himself often held these persons in great contempt.
Now, by way of further explanation, Mason Remey was a friend and guest of Alice Roosevelt Longworth, widow of House Speaker Nicholas Longworth, cousin to FDR and his wife Eleanor, and of course daughter of President Theodore Roosevelt. Her home was but a quick 5 minute stroll from either Mason's parents home on Rhode Island avenue or his home on Massachusetts avenue. [ All of which were located in the historic DuPont Circle neighborhood of Washington. ]
I found references to Mason Remey being an invited guest to functions held by Evelyn Walsh McLean,the last owner of the famed Hope Diamond. He apparently was good friends with Cissy Patterson, journalist and newspaper editor, publisher and owner of the Washington Times-Herald newspaper, who often feuded publicly with FDR and his policies. A footnote here, Ms. Patterson's lavish mansion at 15 DuPont Circle is now The Washington Club and is the only original home left on the actual perimeter of the circle's fountain park as the rest were torn down to make way for business and office buildings.
Remey's family had money. His maternal grandfather was wealthy and as I mentioned had been the United States Commissioner of Patents. Remey's father was a highly decorated U. S. Naval officer, whose family was also well off. Then there was Remey himself, who made money from his lectures and book-sales regarding the Baha'i faith. Further note here, Mason Remey was extremely prolific as an writer and authored quite a collection of works over the years.
Remey was also a member of the faculty as an adjunct professor of architecture at the George Washington University in Foggy Bottom.
During his brief marriage, the Remey's were frequent guests at Embassy functions, and private parties given by the society types. She also had connections to the social circles in Kansas City, Missouri, which included the democratic Party Boss and power broker Tom Pendergast, who gave rise to the political career of future U. S. President Harry S. Truman.
I have filed a request with the presidential libraries of both FDR & Truman, to establish links and connections to Remey if any exist.
One thing I have been able to determine is that Remey has a monstrous ego. And because the social circles of Washington City were tiny compared to those after the second war and the new deal, these folk literally knew each other and often went on holiday to Newport, Rhode Island, Palm Beach, Florida, and in the years between the wars, Europe.
Some of Remey's friends were also blue-bloods from the royal houses of Europe.
This was no ordinary Joe Citizen.
So, you can see way this story is so fascinating and unique. It really is, "Chasing Lost History."
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: "What does it mean that the Remeys were a part of the "power elite"?
Dear One Of The Gang,
Famed journalist,correspondent, and student of history David Brinkley wrote in his book, 'Washington Goes To War:'
“Not many huge fortunes were ever made in Washington, but a great many made elsewhere were spent there."
To answer your question fairly, the Remey family was extremely well off by the standards of the day. The family also held long connections to Washington City as it was then known to its social elite. Some of whom also were political brokers as well.
One of the peculiarities to Washington for years, lessor so now, is that there were residents who came and went with the various administrations and Congresses and the 'permanent' inhabitants of the city.
Brinkley wrote:
"With social status depending on presidential administrations, appointments, and elections, Washington Society has never been conducive toward an “Old-money†crowd. That said, someone had to build the city, and though they are an elusive and restrictive bunch, I’ve found them.
Known as the “Cave Dwellers†due to their invisibility around town, these permanent establishment types made their homes in the Kalorama neighborhood of northwest DC. It was an isolated neighborhood; residents had their chauffeurs take them around town and their children attended private schools. When we see street signs in DC, it’s these characters for which they are named. Many of the Cave Dwellers descended from the original families in the area, dating back to 1634. DC was on their land, and they considered themselves to be caretakers of the federal government and the nation by extension.
Long used to having a say in government, President of the Riggs National Bank Charles Glover—of the Glover Park Glovers—used to walk across Pennsylvania Avenue to discuss financial affairs with the Secretary of the Treasury. Truth be told, he was such a common sight that the Secretary gave him a desk in the building. In 1915 a new comptroller ordered the desk removed, believing it bad federal policy for a private banker to have a personal desk at the Treasury building. This did not go over well with Charles Glover, who walked up to the comptroller and hit him on the head with his cane.
The event signaled the removal of Cave Dwellers from government affairs. The final nail in the coffin was the arrival of FDRs New Dealers, seen as young, idealistic, academic, social workers, guilty of wearing the wrong colored shoe at dinner. The Washington families wanted nothing to do with the “communist†New Dealers, and in turn the New Dealers were happy to avoid the “fascist†Cave Dwellers. Oh sure, the Cave Dwellers could still be seen at the Metropolitan or the Chevy Chase Country Club, but after the 30s, the Cave Dwellers mainly kept to themselves."
FDR himself often held these persons in great contempt.
Now, by way of further explanation, Mason Remey was a friend and guest of Alice Roosevelt Longworth, widow of House Speaker Nicholas Longworth, cousin to FDR and his wife Eleanor, and of course daughter of President Theodore Roosevelt. Her home was but a quick 5 minute stroll from either Mason's parents home on Rhode Island avenue or his home on Massachusetts avenue. [ All of which were located in the historic DuPont Circle neighborhood of Washington. ]
I found references to Mason Remey being an invited guest to functions held by Evelyn Walsh McLean,the last owner of the famed Hope Diamond. He apparently was good friends with Cissy Patterson, journalist and newspaper editor, publisher and owner of the Washington Times-Herald newspaper, who often feuded publicly with FDR and his policies. A footnote here, Ms. Patterson's lavish mansion at 15 DuPont Circle is now The Washington Club and is the only original home left on the actual perimeter of the circle's fountain park as the rest were torn down to make way for business and office buildings.
Remey's family had money. His maternal grandfather was wealthy and as I mentioned had been the United States Commissioner of Patents. Remey's father was a highly decorated U. S. Naval officer, whose family was also well off. Then there was Remey himself, who made money from his lectures and book-sales regarding the Baha'i faith. Further note here, Mason Remey was extremely prolific as an writer and authored quite a collection of works over the years.
Remey was also a member of the faculty as an adjunct professor of architecture at the George Washington University in Foggy Bottom.
During his brief marriage, the Remey's were frequent guests at Embassy functions, and private parties given by the society types. She also had connections to the social circles in Kansas City, Missouri, which included the democratic Party Boss and power broker Tom Pendergast, who gave rise to the political career of future U. S. President Harry S. Truman.
I have filed a request with the presidential libraries of both FDR & Truman, to establish links and connections to Remey if any exist.
One thing I have been able to determine is that Remey has a monstrous ego. And because the social circles of Washington City were tiny compared to those after the second war and the new deal, these folk literally knew each other and often went on holiday to Newport, Rhode Island, Palm Beach, Florida, and in the years between the wars, Europe.
Some of Remey's friends were also blue-bloods from the royal houses of Europe.
This was no ordinary Joe Citizen.
So, you can see way this story is so fascinating and unique. It really is, "Chasing Lost History."
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
darkstar
()
Date: February 01, 2011 11:34AM
Brody, thank you for your reply.
I would add T.C. Williams High School to your list.
I came across an article about the Lorton Reformatory brick yards that may be of interest.
Lorton VA-Where Inmates Paved the Way For A New Future
"In 1925 the brick kilns were considered some of the best on the east coast and in 1927 it is estimated the inmates made over 4.2 million bricks. The kilns were located on the banks of the Occoquan River making it easier for bricks not used for the reformatory to be sold and shipped to DC. Bricks were used to build a number of buildings in DC include Cardoza HS on Clifton Street NW now on the National Register of Historic Places."
http://militaryrelocationnews.com/post/1783038/lorton-va-where-inmates-paved-the-way-for-a-new-future
There was also a sizable rock quarry in Occoquan which could have provided additional building materials.
Occoquan Quarry (Occoquan Quarry Nos. 1 & 2), Fairfax Co., Virginia, USA
REF:Deposit:: MESA INSP.
Deposit:: MESA HEALTH AND SAFETY INSPECTION REPORT MARCH 30-31, 1972.
Deposit:: QUARRY IS OPERATED BY VULCAN MATERIALS COMPANY.
Deposit:: OPERATION INCLUDES A MILL.
Commodities (Major) - Granite
Development Status: Past Producer
http://www.mindat.org/loc-103569.html
The New York Times has several pay per view articles about Remey.
July 6, 1931 MRS. KLEMM TO MARRY.; General's Widow to Wed Charles M. Remey, Admiral's Son.
August 6, 1932 MRS. REMEY KILLS HERSELF IN CAPITAL; Architect Finds Wife Wounded in Home -- Says She Had Been Desp...
http://query.nytimes.com/search/queryquery=Charles+Mason+Remey&date_select=full&srchst=p
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/01/2011 11:58AM by darkstar.
I would add T.C. Williams High School to your list.
I came across an article about the Lorton Reformatory brick yards that may be of interest.
Lorton VA-Where Inmates Paved the Way For A New Future
"In 1925 the brick kilns were considered some of the best on the east coast and in 1927 it is estimated the inmates made over 4.2 million bricks. The kilns were located on the banks of the Occoquan River making it easier for bricks not used for the reformatory to be sold and shipped to DC. Bricks were used to build a number of buildings in DC include Cardoza HS on Clifton Street NW now on the National Register of Historic Places."
http://militaryrelocationnews.com/post/1783038/lorton-va-where-inmates-paved-the-way-for-a-new-future
There was also a sizable rock quarry in Occoquan which could have provided additional building materials.
Occoquan Quarry (Occoquan Quarry Nos. 1 & 2), Fairfax Co., Virginia, USA
REF:Deposit:: MESA INSP.
Deposit:: MESA HEALTH AND SAFETY INSPECTION REPORT MARCH 30-31, 1972.
Deposit:: QUARRY IS OPERATED BY VULCAN MATERIALS COMPANY.
Deposit:: OPERATION INCLUDES A MILL.
Commodities (Major) - Granite
Development Status: Past Producer
http://www.mindat.org/loc-103569.html
The New York Times has several pay per view articles about Remey.
July 6, 1931 MRS. KLEMM TO MARRY.; General's Widow to Wed Charles M. Remey, Admiral's Son.
August 6, 1932 MRS. REMEY KILLS HERSELF IN CAPITAL; Architect Finds Wife Wounded in Home -- Says She Had Been Desp...
http://query.nytimes.com/search/queryquery=Charles+Mason+Remey&date_select=full&srchst=p
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/01/2011 11:58AM by darkstar.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
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Date: February 02, 2011 11:07PM
Washington DC FEB 2 |
Dear Folks,
Here are the pictures of the proposed addition that Mason Remey notified the Truro Parish's Pohick Church vestrymen & rector in the spring of 1957 he was going to add over the top of the existing structure.
These architectural sketches were executed by Mason Remey and were originally published in the Remey Family Records collection that were delivered to over 50 institutions of higher education along with numerous public libraries and the Library of Congress which is the set that these photos were taken from.
As you can see from the scaled human figures in the drafts, this structure would have dwarfed the church itself.
Best Wishes to you all.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
edit by Cary (the admin): Made thumbnails of huge images, click for full-sized originals.
To the poster (Brody): Always feel free to post huge pictures here. I'll come by after a few days and create thumbnails for them. Better to have the full-size original available than only a tiny thumbnail formatted for web viewing. Thanks for your contributions!
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Dear Folks,
Here are the pictures of the proposed addition that Mason Remey notified the Truro Parish's Pohick Church vestrymen & rector in the spring of 1957 he was going to add over the top of the existing structure.
These architectural sketches were executed by Mason Remey and were originally published in the Remey Family Records collection that were delivered to over 50 institutions of higher education along with numerous public libraries and the Library of Congress which is the set that these photos were taken from.
As you can see from the scaled human figures in the drafts, this structure would have dwarfed the church itself.
Best Wishes to you all.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
edit by Cary (the admin): Made thumbnails of huge images, click for full-sized originals.
To the poster (Brody): Always feel free to post huge pictures here. I'll come by after a few days and create thumbnails for them. Better to have the full-size original available than only a tiny thumbnail formatted for web viewing. Thanks for your contributions!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/05/2011 10:03PM by Cary.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: February 03, 2011 12:43PM
Washington DC FEB 3 |
Dear Folks,
Sorry about the gargantuan jpegs of the proposed Remeum addition. I haven't found a way to edit my posts, hence there's no way to 'reduce' them back to the size I intended them to display here.
Now, updates:
Mrs. Remey's death with a very big nod of appreciation to DarkStar. I now have copies of the Washington Post & New York Times articles published the day after her death. I need to note, and once you've read them you may agree, that her so-called suicide was a little more than suspicious. I'll put them up after I get the Copyright DMA permission to reprint them from the Post and the NY Times.
I also am working with a source who has access to some documents regarding the building of the Remeum including the original construction agreements & contracts which I hope to have by the end of the week.
I thank all of you again for your kind remarks here and in the e-mails of which seem to be a rather growing collection which is rather greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Dear Folks,
Sorry about the gargantuan jpegs of the proposed Remeum addition. I haven't found a way to edit my posts, hence there's no way to 'reduce' them back to the size I intended them to display here.
Now, updates:
Mrs. Remey's death with a very big nod of appreciation to DarkStar. I now have copies of the Washington Post & New York Times articles published the day after her death. I need to note, and once you've read them you may agree, that her so-called suicide was a little more than suspicious. I'll put them up after I get the Copyright DMA permission to reprint them from the Post and the NY Times.
I also am working with a source who has access to some documents regarding the building of the Remeum including the original construction agreements & contracts which I hope to have by the end of the week.
I thank all of you again for your kind remarks here and in the e-mails of which seem to be a rather growing collection which is rather greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Carl
()
Date: February 03, 2011 03:25PM
Thank you Brody and all the others who contributed to this page.
I am rather proud of the fact that I explored the Remium in High School. I went to Annandale High and graduated in 1983. This was unfortunately the twilight of the crypts. On beautiful October night 1982 me and two other friends went to the crypts. Yes we were patying and people were climbing all over the place like mice.But the place was awesome on that moonlit night in early october.It had a Romanesque rustic beauty with a creepy undertone the I remember hauted you afterward like ghost breathing on your neck. Shortly afterward as I heard the police came and tear gased everyone out. After that the church destroyed the outside building. We contined to visit as the inside was still intact.
I do remember seeing a tall sealed archway that was sealed with cinder blocks. also there were signs that people had tried to break though the barrier.Nothing but dirt appeared,but as mentioned in this blog was probubly put there to discourage people.
Yet, the crypts ,the stories,and most of all the facinating history and biography of Charles Mason Remey are definately worth pusuit.
I am so happy that this place has not been forgotten but will be given the attention long overdue to it.
Carl
I am rather proud of the fact that I explored the Remium in High School. I went to Annandale High and graduated in 1983. This was unfortunately the twilight of the crypts. On beautiful October night 1982 me and two other friends went to the crypts. Yes we were patying and people were climbing all over the place like mice.But the place was awesome on that moonlit night in early october.It had a Romanesque rustic beauty with a creepy undertone the I remember hauted you afterward like ghost breathing on your neck. Shortly afterward as I heard the police came and tear gased everyone out. After that the church destroyed the outside building. We contined to visit as the inside was still intact.
I do remember seeing a tall sealed archway that was sealed with cinder blocks. also there were signs that people had tried to break though the barrier.Nothing but dirt appeared,but as mentioned in this blog was probubly put there to discourage people.
Yet, the crypts ,the stories,and most of all the facinating history and biography of Charles Mason Remey are definately worth pusuit.
I am so happy that this place has not been forgotten but will be given the attention long overdue to it.
Carl
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
darkstar
()
Date: February 03, 2011 03:41PM
Hi Brody:
I'm glad the NY newspaper leads helped. I did run across a couple of Washington Post (pay-per-view) stories and one mentioned that Charles Remey found his wife with one self-inflected gun shot wound and while he was calling for help she fired a second shot.
If Remey called the police then there must be a police/corner report somewhere. These reports may still be around considering the Remey's were important people, roaming around in the higher social circles of D.C.
There were several newspaper articles in the Washington Post of the Remey's hosting dinner parties at their house in D.C.
Thanks again for all of your continued research.
To Edit your postings - go to the bottom of the post you wish to change and click edit and that will enable you to make changes and save them.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2011 03:43PM by darkstar.
I'm glad the NY newspaper leads helped. I did run across a couple of Washington Post (pay-per-view) stories and one mentioned that Charles Remey found his wife with one self-inflected gun shot wound and while he was calling for help she fired a second shot.
If Remey called the police then there must be a police/corner report somewhere. These reports may still be around considering the Remey's were important people, roaming around in the higher social circles of D.C.
There were several newspaper articles in the Washington Post of the Remey's hosting dinner parties at their house in D.C.
Thanks again for all of your continued research.
To Edit your postings - go to the bottom of the post you wish to change and click edit and that will enable you to make changes and save them.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2011 03:43PM by darkstar.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Follower
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Date: February 03, 2011 07:52PM
Brody, you can download two free programs that will enable you to modify the size of JPEGS and do a lot of other things
www.getpaint.net
Also www.irfanview.com is very useful
www.getpaint.net
Also www.irfanview.com is very useful
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jeff J
()
Date: February 04, 2011 12:36AM
This is amazing. This temple had to have been planned from the start, but Mason hid his hand. You don't propose something like this without having already built sufficient foundations, which were the crypts themselves.
I remember seeing concrete block walls blocking the axis and blocking the way to the storage room. Since they needed a utility/electric room, I imagine the storage room was really there. Now after seeing his proposed temple, I wonder if the rotunda was actually built, as that's the only section of the crypts that has sufficient foundations for the temple above. It's also about the right scale. But whether the rotunda was built or not, a large structure was certainly planned to go on top of it from its inception.
Brody, I really appreciate all the research. Keep it coming.
I remember seeing concrete block walls blocking the axis and blocking the way to the storage room. Since they needed a utility/electric room, I imagine the storage room was really there. Now after seeing his proposed temple, I wonder if the rotunda was actually built, as that's the only section of the crypts that has sufficient foundations for the temple above. It's also about the right scale. But whether the rotunda was built or not, a large structure was certainly planned to go on top of it from its inception.
Brody, I really appreciate all the research. Keep it coming.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jeff J
()
Date: February 04, 2011 12:39AM
And I hope this dispels the idea that there were multiple levels underground, as the temple sketches certainly don't indicate their existence. Any stairs shown on the plans were meant to eventually go up, not down.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: February 04, 2011 11:00PM
Washington DC FEB 4 |
Dear Folks,
Here is the clipping on the death of Mrs. Remey. I am still researching the facts and should have more details for you all on Saturday.
Please take a hard look at this article as there's a question of plausibility in terms of shots fired and by whom.
The reason I say this is because in the inventory of Mrs. Remey's personal effects & possessions that were donated later by Mr. Remey, one of the items was a War Department authorised- Army issue, Browning-designed, Colt-produced .45 Automatic pistol that had been the property of her first husband,an army Colonel who also committed suicide.
To quote the English author Charles Lutwidge Dodgson better known by his pseudonym Lewis Carroll writing in his epic Alice In Wonderland; "Curiouser and curiouser!"
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/2011 11:01PM by Brody Levesque.
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Dear Folks,
Here is the clipping on the death of Mrs. Remey. I am still researching the facts and should have more details for you all on Saturday.
Please take a hard look at this article as there's a question of plausibility in terms of shots fired and by whom.
The reason I say this is because in the inventory of Mrs. Remey's personal effects & possessions that were donated later by Mr. Remey, one of the items was a War Department authorised- Army issue, Browning-designed, Colt-produced .45 Automatic pistol that had been the property of her first husband,an army Colonel who also committed suicide.
To quote the English author Charles Lutwidge Dodgson better known by his pseudonym Lewis Carroll writing in his epic Alice In Wonderland; "Curiouser and curiouser!"
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/2011 11:01PM by Brody Levesque.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Observer of Things
()
Date: February 04, 2011 11:09PM
Those are some mighty big photos there, hoss.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Anonymous Fan
()
Date: February 05, 2011 01:36AM
Strange, you don't often hear of self-inflicted head wounds being minor enough to enable the person to pull the trigger a second time. Brody, is that your point about plausibility? Especially since a 45 at point blank range generally would be fatal?
And boy, this society page pulls no punches. They raise their eyebrows at the fact that it was a fast marriage, without lots of events before the wedding -- very gossipy, raising the issue that they needed a rush marriage. I hope you will share what the name of the paper was, and look forward to the next segment.
Finally, in the longitudinal section (which he mis-spelled longitudinal setion) I assume that the very bottom center piece is his own crypt; looks like it is directly below a crypt or something with a human form carved in the top.
And boy, this society page pulls no punches. They raise their eyebrows at the fact that it was a fast marriage, without lots of events before the wedding -- very gossipy, raising the issue that they needed a rush marriage. I hope you will share what the name of the paper was, and look forward to the next segment.
Finally, in the longitudinal section (which he mis-spelled longitudinal setion) I assume that the very bottom center piece is his own crypt; looks like it is directly below a crypt or something with a human form carved in the top.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
annonymous
()
Date: February 05, 2011 02:02AM
Brody:
Two things.
1. Have you seen:
http://charlesmasonremey.net/
2. Where you aware that the Princeton library has a huge collection of Remey documents? http://diglib.princeton.edu/ead/getEad?eadid=C0524&kw=
Two things.
1. Have you seen:
http://charlesmasonremey.net/
2. Where you aware that the Princeton library has a huge collection of Remey documents? http://diglib.princeton.edu/ead/getEad?eadid=C0524&kw=
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
annonymous
()
Date: February 05, 2011 02:03AM
Permanent URL for info on the Princeton library info: http://arks.princeton.edu/ark:/88435/1r66j1172
annonymous Wrote:
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> Brody:
>
> Two things.
>
> 1. Have you seen:
>
> http://charlesmasonremey.net/
>
> 2. Where you aware that the Princeton library has
> a huge collection of Remey documents?
> http://diglib.princeton.edu/ead/getEad?eadid=C0524
> &kw=
annonymous Wrote:
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> Brody:
>
> Two things.
>
> 1. Have you seen:
>
> http://charlesmasonremey.net/
>
> 2. Where you aware that the Princeton library has
> a huge collection of Remey documents?
> http://diglib.princeton.edu/ead/getEad?eadid=C0524
> &kw=
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: February 05, 2011 07:01PM
Washington DC FEB 5 |
Dear Folks,
Thanks for the Princeton Library info, I shall add it to the growing list of repositories where Mason Remey left copies and donated materials.
Now, the referenced 'charlesmasonrmey dot net' was written and maintained by a Baha'i follower of Mr. Remey, who had an ongoing written correspondence with Remey's adopted Florentine son Pepe Remey who passed away in the mid 1990's.
Here is that gentleman's pedigree:
Based in Boise, Idaho, Dr. Mathieu has over 30 years of experience as a naturopathic physician, and has been practicing natural health care in the Treasure Valley for more than a decade.
One of Idaho's most experienced holistic health care physyicians, Brent is a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine (ND), and a Diplomate of the Homeopathic Academy of Naturopathic Physicians (DHANP).
Now, I was asked about the article previously posted. That appeared in the Washington Times-Herald newspaper, which at the time were owned by William Randolph Hearst. Hearst's two Washington papers were the morning Washington Herald and the evening Washington Times which were later combined into one paper by noted socialite Elinor Josephine Medill Patterson, better known as 'Cissy Patterson.' Mrs. Patterson bought the papers from Hearst in 1939.
The gun, well, there are conflicting details swirling around Mrs. Remey's death. Unfortunately, the D. C. Metropolitan Police Department has confirmed that they no longer have any verified records, notes, or files on her death. The District's Medical Examiner as yet has not responded to my freedom of information request so until then, I am seeking out other possibilities.
By the way the Washington Post and New York Times accounts were nearly identical to the Times-Herald's account so I shall treat that as principal background for now.
I question, that if she used the Colt sidearm, exactly how she managed to shoot herself twice as a source in the DC Medical Examiner's office did tell me that any form of survival from that particular caliber hand gun was highly unlikely unless the first shot only grazed her.
Finally, I did an edit/addition to the Fairfax Wiki on this site regarding the Remeum, the text follows this post.
Thanks again for the kind words, e-mails, and encouragement, and to the Observer, yeah, *sigh* those are pretty big pictures hoss....
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Wiki Text:
Remeum
The Remeum was the name bestowed on the Remey-Mason family mausoleum erected on the glebe of the Truro parish's Pohick Church in Lorton, Virgina, by its architect and builder Charles Mason Remey. Remey's stated intent was to honour his family's contributions to the American nation. The site of the ruins of the Remeum lies approximately 250 yards southwest of the church burial yard and are marked solely by the remains of an obelisk and two brick vent chimney structures with the rest of the complex covered by soil and reforestation since its destruction and demolition in 1983.
Designed by noted Washington D. C. architect and controversial Baha’i faith dignitary, Charles Mason Remey, the Remeum was constructed over a twenty year period commencing in the spring 1937 with the initial land survey and was ongoing until disagreement between the Pohick church vestrymen and Remey resulted in a court action which halted further development in the fall of 1958.
Remey's designs called for an outer walled courtyard with burial niches and crypts, a walled colonnaded atrium entrance to the underground mausoleum which incorporated inclusion of several cenotaphs,chapels and burial crypts. Remey's design also called for a large three story columned and tiered structure built directly over the underground portion. The parish officials objected to the addition of the above ground structure as it would have dwarfed the church, a registered historic landmark.
The completed sections of the complex were the outer courtyards, the atrium, and the underground portion. Costing approximately $2.7 million dollars, the complex featured bas reliefs and sculptures by famed American sculptor Felix de Weldon, the American artist who sculpted the flag-raising Iwo Jima U. S. Marine Corps memorial located adjacent to Arlington Nation cemetery in Rosslyn, Virginia. There were also sculptures by other American artists along with copies of noted Italian masterpieces from the Renaissance period which decorated the various tombs, alcoves, and hallways. The complex was electrified, lit by alabaster chandeliers, had an extensive ventilation system, and was plumbed with waste being delivered to a septic system
The complex was electrified, lit by alabaster chandeliers, had an extensive ventilation system, and was plumbed with waste being delivered to a septic system.
The complex suffered from inadequate security measures and as word spread of its unique design and construction, starting the middle of the 1950's forward, it became a destination for local adolescents and youth as well as adults who ended up inflicting significant damage in acts of wanton vandalism. The problem became severe enough that the local Fairfax County authorities deemed the complex a public nuisance.
As the ten year long court battle ensued and with construction halted, Remey ultimately ceded that the complex would never be completed, relinquishing all rights to the parish in a U. S. District Court agreement in 1968 in Alexandria, Virginia. Remey entrusted removal of family remains including those of his late wife to his brother-in-law, Rear Admiral John Remey Wadleigh who re-interred her remains in the burial yard of the Pohick Church and the others were removed to a family grave-site in Pompey, in Onondaga County New York, south of the city of Syracuse. At the time of the removal of the family remains, Admiral Wadleigh had concrete cinderblocks and dirt wall plugs installed to prevent further access to the inner recesses of the complex. The Pohick church in 1973 had the outer courtyard wall knocked down followed by the atrium in 1976, which left the entrance to the underground complex partially exposed.
The "urban legend" grew spreading throughout the local high schools and other places where young persons congregated, as to the mysterious "crypts" at the Pohick Church where "one could party-hearty" during the middle to late seventies. The site became a destination and numerous illicit gatherings involving underage drinking, mating rituals, and vandalism took place.
As these events took place the complex fell under increasing scrutiny of local law enforcement and became a legal liability to the parish which ultimately contracted with a local road construction company based in nearby Newington, Virginia, to cover over the complex completely and regrade the area so as to eradicate any traces. This was accomplished in the fall of 1983.
Currently the only remaining features of the Remeum are an obelisk honoring Remey's father and mother which stood at one end of the courtyard, south of the inner atrium's entrance, and two chimney/vent structures. The area has been reforested since the 1983 site-work and there are no other visible traces of the complex left.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 02/05/2011 07:22PM by Brody Levesque.
Dear Folks,
Thanks for the Princeton Library info, I shall add it to the growing list of repositories where Mason Remey left copies and donated materials.
Now, the referenced 'charlesmasonrmey dot net' was written and maintained by a Baha'i follower of Mr. Remey, who had an ongoing written correspondence with Remey's adopted Florentine son Pepe Remey who passed away in the mid 1990's.
Here is that gentleman's pedigree:
Based in Boise, Idaho, Dr. Mathieu has over 30 years of experience as a naturopathic physician, and has been practicing natural health care in the Treasure Valley for more than a decade.
One of Idaho's most experienced holistic health care physyicians, Brent is a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine (ND), and a Diplomate of the Homeopathic Academy of Naturopathic Physicians (DHANP).
Now, I was asked about the article previously posted. That appeared in the Washington Times-Herald newspaper, which at the time were owned by William Randolph Hearst. Hearst's two Washington papers were the morning Washington Herald and the evening Washington Times which were later combined into one paper by noted socialite Elinor Josephine Medill Patterson, better known as 'Cissy Patterson.' Mrs. Patterson bought the papers from Hearst in 1939.
The gun, well, there are conflicting details swirling around Mrs. Remey's death. Unfortunately, the D. C. Metropolitan Police Department has confirmed that they no longer have any verified records, notes, or files on her death. The District's Medical Examiner as yet has not responded to my freedom of information request so until then, I am seeking out other possibilities.
By the way the Washington Post and New York Times accounts were nearly identical to the Times-Herald's account so I shall treat that as principal background for now.
I question, that if she used the Colt sidearm, exactly how she managed to shoot herself twice as a source in the DC Medical Examiner's office did tell me that any form of survival from that particular caliber hand gun was highly unlikely unless the first shot only grazed her.
Finally, I did an edit/addition to the Fairfax Wiki on this site regarding the Remeum, the text follows this post.
Thanks again for the kind words, e-mails, and encouragement, and to the Observer, yeah, *sigh* those are pretty big pictures hoss....
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Wiki Text:
Remeum
The Remeum was the name bestowed on the Remey-Mason family mausoleum erected on the glebe of the Truro parish's Pohick Church in Lorton, Virgina, by its architect and builder Charles Mason Remey. Remey's stated intent was to honour his family's contributions to the American nation. The site of the ruins of the Remeum lies approximately 250 yards southwest of the church burial yard and are marked solely by the remains of an obelisk and two brick vent chimney structures with the rest of the complex covered by soil and reforestation since its destruction and demolition in 1983.
Designed by noted Washington D. C. architect and controversial Baha’i faith dignitary, Charles Mason Remey, the Remeum was constructed over a twenty year period commencing in the spring 1937 with the initial land survey and was ongoing until disagreement between the Pohick church vestrymen and Remey resulted in a court action which halted further development in the fall of 1958.
Remey's designs called for an outer walled courtyard with burial niches and crypts, a walled colonnaded atrium entrance to the underground mausoleum which incorporated inclusion of several cenotaphs,chapels and burial crypts. Remey's design also called for a large three story columned and tiered structure built directly over the underground portion. The parish officials objected to the addition of the above ground structure as it would have dwarfed the church, a registered historic landmark.
The completed sections of the complex were the outer courtyards, the atrium, and the underground portion. Costing approximately $2.7 million dollars, the complex featured bas reliefs and sculptures by famed American sculptor Felix de Weldon, the American artist who sculpted the flag-raising Iwo Jima U. S. Marine Corps memorial located adjacent to Arlington Nation cemetery in Rosslyn, Virginia. There were also sculptures by other American artists along with copies of noted Italian masterpieces from the Renaissance period which decorated the various tombs, alcoves, and hallways. The complex was electrified, lit by alabaster chandeliers, had an extensive ventilation system, and was plumbed with waste being delivered to a septic system
The complex was electrified, lit by alabaster chandeliers, had an extensive ventilation system, and was plumbed with waste being delivered to a septic system.
The complex suffered from inadequate security measures and as word spread of its unique design and construction, starting the middle of the 1950's forward, it became a destination for local adolescents and youth as well as adults who ended up inflicting significant damage in acts of wanton vandalism. The problem became severe enough that the local Fairfax County authorities deemed the complex a public nuisance.
As the ten year long court battle ensued and with construction halted, Remey ultimately ceded that the complex would never be completed, relinquishing all rights to the parish in a U. S. District Court agreement in 1968 in Alexandria, Virginia. Remey entrusted removal of family remains including those of his late wife to his brother-in-law, Rear Admiral John Remey Wadleigh who re-interred her remains in the burial yard of the Pohick Church and the others were removed to a family grave-site in Pompey, in Onondaga County New York, south of the city of Syracuse. At the time of the removal of the family remains, Admiral Wadleigh had concrete cinderblocks and dirt wall plugs installed to prevent further access to the inner recesses of the complex. The Pohick church in 1973 had the outer courtyard wall knocked down followed by the atrium in 1976, which left the entrance to the underground complex partially exposed.
The "urban legend" grew spreading throughout the local high schools and other places where young persons congregated, as to the mysterious "crypts" at the Pohick Church where "one could party-hearty" during the middle to late seventies. The site became a destination and numerous illicit gatherings involving underage drinking, mating rituals, and vandalism took place.
As these events took place the complex fell under increasing scrutiny of local law enforcement and became a legal liability to the parish which ultimately contracted with a local road construction company based in nearby Newington, Virginia, to cover over the complex completely and regrade the area so as to eradicate any traces. This was accomplished in the fall of 1983.
Currently the only remaining features of the Remeum are an obelisk honoring Remey's father and mother which stood at one end of the courtyard, south of the inner atrium's entrance, and two chimney/vent structures. The area has been reforested since the 1983 site-work and there are no other visible traces of the complex left.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 02/05/2011 07:22PM by Brody Levesque.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: February 05, 2011 09:52PM
Washington DC FEB 5 |
Dear Folks,
The following is a 1958 aerial shot that was submitted as an exhibit in the court case between Remey and the Truro Parish.
Still looking for earlier shots. In this shot, you can clearly see the two access roads and the scaling difference between the church and the proposed footprint of the above ground structure Remey desired to build.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Post Script:
Forgive the huge size but at least the features are easily discernible.
Attachments:
Dear Folks,
The following is a 1958 aerial shot that was submitted as an exhibit in the court case between Remey and the Truro Parish.
Still looking for earlier shots. In this shot, you can clearly see the two access roads and the scaling difference between the church and the proposed footprint of the above ground structure Remey desired to build.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Post Script:
Forgive the huge size but at least the features are easily discernible.
Attachments:
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jewel
()
Date: February 06, 2011 12:06AM
Hi guys,
Above the vents and a little to the left you can see a pile of building materials left when they halted construction. When I went to visit in the late 70s they were still sitting there. I remember some large marble columns as well though I do not see them in the picture. They would have been around where the words Site or existing are.
Do you think the fact that Admiral Remey was building a "temple" promoting another religion had anything to do with the church withdrawing permission for it's construction? I could understand why they would be upset with someone building something glorifying a non-Christian faith. While the Bahá'à faith includes God, Jesus,and Abraham among its messengers, it also includes Muhammad and Buddha and is definitely not a Christian religion. I listed a link to a general article on Wikipedia about it. Below that is their official site.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1'%C3%AD_Faith
http://www.bahai.org
Just some more stuff to ponder.
Jewel
Above the vents and a little to the left you can see a pile of building materials left when they halted construction. When I went to visit in the late 70s they were still sitting there. I remember some large marble columns as well though I do not see them in the picture. They would have been around where the words Site or existing are.
Do you think the fact that Admiral Remey was building a "temple" promoting another religion had anything to do with the church withdrawing permission for it's construction? I could understand why they would be upset with someone building something glorifying a non-Christian faith. While the Bahá'à faith includes God, Jesus,and Abraham among its messengers, it also includes Muhammad and Buddha and is definitely not a Christian religion. I listed a link to a general article on Wikipedia about it. Below that is their official site.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1'%C3%AD_Faith
http://www.bahai.org
Just some more stuff to ponder.
Jewel
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Anon
()
Date: February 06, 2011 12:22AM
Found this from "Genealogies in the Library of Congress: A Bibliography"
14241 REMEY. A series of twelve of the preliminary architectural designs for a mausoleum for the Remey Family. By Charles Mason Remey. (n.p., 1954?) 21 l. ports., facsim., plans. 28cm (His Remey family records) 58-3336. CS71.R386 1954.
14241 REMEY. A series of twelve of the preliminary architectural designs for a mausoleum for the Remey Family. By Charles Mason Remey. (n.p., 1954?) 21 l. ports., facsim., plans. 28cm (His Remey family records) 58-3336. CS71.R386 1954.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: February 06, 2011 10:07AM
Washington DC FEB 6 |
Dear Jewel,
In answer to your question, "Do you think the fact that Admiral Remey was building a "temple" promoting another religion?"
A couple of facts for you. First though, the Admiral didn't build the Remeum. Charles Mason Remey was his son, and in fact, the oldest of six children, one of whom died at birth.
George Collier Remey, Rear Admiral, USN (Retired):
George Collier Remey was born in Burlington, Iowa, the second son of William Butler and Eliza Smith (Howland) Remey. He was a descendant of Abram Remy, a Huguenot who came to Virginia in 1700, and of John Howland, a pilgrim who came in the Mayflower. He entered the United States Naval Academy on September 20, 1855, the youngest and also the smallest of his class, and was graduated fourth among the twenty members of the class of 1859.
Initially assigned to the sloop USS Hartford on the Asiatic Station, he returned to the United States with the outbreak of the Civil War and served in the gunboat Marblehead during the Peninsular Campaign, March–July 1862;
He was in the gunboat Marblehead, operating in Virginia waters during the Peninsular Campaign from March to July, 1862, and afterward on the Charleston blockade. In April 1863, he became executive of the Canandaigua; commanded for ten days the Marblehead during attacks on Fort Wagner; and had charge of a battery of heavy naval guns on Morris Island from August 23 to September 7.
On the night of September 7-8 he commanded the second division in an ill-fated boat attack on Fort Sumter. His boat, the only one of his divisions to make shore, was smashed by gun-fire on landing, and about an hour and a half later Remey and his party were compelled to surrender under the walls of the fort. Of the total force of about 450 only 104 got ashore, and all these were captured. With other officers taken in the attack he was imprisoned during the next thirteen months in the jail at Columbia, South Carolina, making one almost successful attempt at escape by a tunnel under the prison walls.
After his exchange he was executive in the De Soto, fitting out at Baltimore, till the close of the war. He was one of six officers assigned to the White House for two days after Lincoln's assassination, and acted as aide to Farragut at the President's funeral.
In 1866 he saw service off the west coast of South America and in 1870–71 participated in the Tehuantepec Survey Expedition. After commanding the screw sloop Enterprise and service in the Mediterranean, he was appointed captain, 1885, and four years later assumed command of the protected cruiser Charleston, flagship of the Pacific Squadron.
Commandant of the Portsmouth Navy Yard at the outbreak of the Spanish–American War, he was ordered to take charge of the Naval Base Key West, whence he directed the supply and repair of all naval forces in Cuban waters and organized supply lines to Army forces in Cuba.
He was made Rear Admiral in November 1898, and assumed command of the Asiatic station in April 1900, a highly important assignment in view of the Philippine warfare and the Boxer uprising in China. In his flagship Brooklyn he was off Taku from July to October 1900, during the march on Peking, and in 1901 he visited Australia at the opening of its first parliament. After a year as chairman of the Lighthouse Board, he retired Aug. 10, 1903, and lived subsequently in Washington, D. C., and Newport, Rhode Island.
Rear Admiral Remey died at Washington, D.C. on 10 February 1928.
Here's the death notice from The Washington Evening Star newspaper:
Admiral Remey was born in Burlington, Iowa, August 10, 1841, the second son of William Butler Remey and Eliza Smith Howland Remey. He entered the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis in 1855 and graduated as one of the five honor men of the class. He was married July 8, 1873 to Mary Josephine Mason, daughter of Chief Justice Charles Mason of Iowa.
Besides his widow, Admiral Remey is survived by three sons, Charles Mason Remey and William B. Remey, both of this city, and John Terry Remey of New York City, and two daughters, Miss Angelica G. Remey of this city and Mrs. John W. Wadleigh of Newport, Rhode Island.
Funeral services will be at St. Thomas Episcopal Church Tuesday. Burial will be in Arlington National Cemetery.
Now, moving on to the Baha'i question. In all fairness, that was a substantial although never publicly uttered issue that the vestry and parish members had with Mason Remey's plans to 'expand' the Remeum. On the face of it, they didn't dare make that an issue as it would have been perceived as religious discrimination and naturally that would have been made into a very public battle that ultimately would have embarrassed the church.
So, instead, they took issue with the size of the proposed expansion objecting that it would undermine the Pohick Church's historic status and nature. What I find highly ironic is the fact that in 2006 the church became part of a protected historic district alongside of the fact that it was added to the National Register of Historic Places by the U. S. Department of the Interior's National Park Service on October 16, 1969 nearly a year after winning the court battle with Remey.
Had the church allowed him to proceed, it would have profited immensely from donations as visitors would have naturally visited both the Remeum as well as the church.
More on Remey's role in the Baha'i faith and the global movement later Jewel.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Dear Jewel,
In answer to your question, "Do you think the fact that Admiral Remey was building a "temple" promoting another religion?"
A couple of facts for you. First though, the Admiral didn't build the Remeum. Charles Mason Remey was his son, and in fact, the oldest of six children, one of whom died at birth.
George Collier Remey, Rear Admiral, USN (Retired):
George Collier Remey was born in Burlington, Iowa, the second son of William Butler and Eliza Smith (Howland) Remey. He was a descendant of Abram Remy, a Huguenot who came to Virginia in 1700, and of John Howland, a pilgrim who came in the Mayflower. He entered the United States Naval Academy on September 20, 1855, the youngest and also the smallest of his class, and was graduated fourth among the twenty members of the class of 1859.
Initially assigned to the sloop USS Hartford on the Asiatic Station, he returned to the United States with the outbreak of the Civil War and served in the gunboat Marblehead during the Peninsular Campaign, March–July 1862;
He was in the gunboat Marblehead, operating in Virginia waters during the Peninsular Campaign from March to July, 1862, and afterward on the Charleston blockade. In April 1863, he became executive of the Canandaigua; commanded for ten days the Marblehead during attacks on Fort Wagner; and had charge of a battery of heavy naval guns on Morris Island from August 23 to September 7.
On the night of September 7-8 he commanded the second division in an ill-fated boat attack on Fort Sumter. His boat, the only one of his divisions to make shore, was smashed by gun-fire on landing, and about an hour and a half later Remey and his party were compelled to surrender under the walls of the fort. Of the total force of about 450 only 104 got ashore, and all these were captured. With other officers taken in the attack he was imprisoned during the next thirteen months in the jail at Columbia, South Carolina, making one almost successful attempt at escape by a tunnel under the prison walls.
After his exchange he was executive in the De Soto, fitting out at Baltimore, till the close of the war. He was one of six officers assigned to the White House for two days after Lincoln's assassination, and acted as aide to Farragut at the President's funeral.
In 1866 he saw service off the west coast of South America and in 1870–71 participated in the Tehuantepec Survey Expedition. After commanding the screw sloop Enterprise and service in the Mediterranean, he was appointed captain, 1885, and four years later assumed command of the protected cruiser Charleston, flagship of the Pacific Squadron.
Commandant of the Portsmouth Navy Yard at the outbreak of the Spanish–American War, he was ordered to take charge of the Naval Base Key West, whence he directed the supply and repair of all naval forces in Cuban waters and organized supply lines to Army forces in Cuba.
He was made Rear Admiral in November 1898, and assumed command of the Asiatic station in April 1900, a highly important assignment in view of the Philippine warfare and the Boxer uprising in China. In his flagship Brooklyn he was off Taku from July to October 1900, during the march on Peking, and in 1901 he visited Australia at the opening of its first parliament. After a year as chairman of the Lighthouse Board, he retired Aug. 10, 1903, and lived subsequently in Washington, D. C., and Newport, Rhode Island.
Rear Admiral Remey died at Washington, D.C. on 10 February 1928.
Here's the death notice from The Washington Evening Star newspaper:
Admiral Remey was born in Burlington, Iowa, August 10, 1841, the second son of William Butler Remey and Eliza Smith Howland Remey. He entered the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis in 1855 and graduated as one of the five honor men of the class. He was married July 8, 1873 to Mary Josephine Mason, daughter of Chief Justice Charles Mason of Iowa.
Besides his widow, Admiral Remey is survived by three sons, Charles Mason Remey and William B. Remey, both of this city, and John Terry Remey of New York City, and two daughters, Miss Angelica G. Remey of this city and Mrs. John W. Wadleigh of Newport, Rhode Island.
Funeral services will be at St. Thomas Episcopal Church Tuesday. Burial will be in Arlington National Cemetery.
Now, moving on to the Baha'i question. In all fairness, that was a substantial although never publicly uttered issue that the vestry and parish members had with Mason Remey's plans to 'expand' the Remeum. On the face of it, they didn't dare make that an issue as it would have been perceived as religious discrimination and naturally that would have been made into a very public battle that ultimately would have embarrassed the church.
So, instead, they took issue with the size of the proposed expansion objecting that it would undermine the Pohick Church's historic status and nature. What I find highly ironic is the fact that in 2006 the church became part of a protected historic district alongside of the fact that it was added to the National Register of Historic Places by the U. S. Department of the Interior's National Park Service on October 16, 1969 nearly a year after winning the court battle with Remey.
Had the church allowed him to proceed, it would have profited immensely from donations as visitors would have naturally visited both the Remeum as well as the church.
More on Remey's role in the Baha'i faith and the global movement later Jewel.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Carl
()
Date: February 06, 2011 02:08PM
Dear Cody,
I've been following this site for a month find it facinating as well as personaly rewarding as I visited the crypts in High School.
Question: Did Remey have any death bed confessions, what were his views on death and the afterlife?
Carl
I've been following this site for a month find it facinating as well as personaly rewarding as I visited the crypts in High School.
Question: Did Remey have any death bed confessions, what were his views on death and the afterlife?
Carl
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: February 06, 2011 10:19PM
WASHINGTON DC FEB 6 |
Re: "Did Remey have any death bed confessions, what were his views on death and the afterlife?"
Dear Carl,
I've had numerous conversations regarding Mason Remey's final years and there's been absolutely no 'confessions' on any particular subject.
To properly answer the second half of your question would require writing a detailed biography of Charles Mason Remey.
Tonight, and yes I am Canadian so since there wasn't a hockey match on due to your American peculiar tradition of men dressing up in plastic bits and foam pads and man-handling each other in rather combative fashion as a pigskin ball is moved from one end of a field of grass to another and in celebration of the best of the best of those who so practise this bloodsport- aka The Superbowl.....
Which I don't/didn't watch *snicker*
Instead I had a lengthy conversation with Dr. Brent Mathieu from Boise, Idaho, who had a nearly 20 year long ongoing correspondence with Pepe Remey, Mason's adopted son. Dr. Mathieu filled in quite a few of the blanks and provided critical background on the various sects within the Baha'i faith along with verification of much of the material collected thus far on Mason Remey.
There is so much material and quite frankly a good deal of data that still needs due diligence before I can safely submit it here for your and the other reader's review.
Now, having said that, I can verify that the Baha'i faith was a critical and key component to Mason Remey's adult life and effected every aspect of his life.
Unfortunately Carl, there's not really a simple answer that I can render in this case as to be fair, this story is like a prism, which as you know, held up to a light source will give off a wide spectrum of light variations in a rainbow burst.
Or, more aptly put, Remey's story is like an onion Carl, you gotta keep peeling back the layers.
More later folks!
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2011 10:19PM by Brody Levesque.
Re: "Did Remey have any death bed confessions, what were his views on death and the afterlife?"
Dear Carl,
I've had numerous conversations regarding Mason Remey's final years and there's been absolutely no 'confessions' on any particular subject.
To properly answer the second half of your question would require writing a detailed biography of Charles Mason Remey.
Tonight, and yes I am Canadian so since there wasn't a hockey match on due to your American peculiar tradition of men dressing up in plastic bits and foam pads and man-handling each other in rather combative fashion as a pigskin ball is moved from one end of a field of grass to another and in celebration of the best of the best of those who so practise this bloodsport- aka The Superbowl.....
Which I don't/didn't watch *snicker*
Instead I had a lengthy conversation with Dr. Brent Mathieu from Boise, Idaho, who had a nearly 20 year long ongoing correspondence with Pepe Remey, Mason's adopted son. Dr. Mathieu filled in quite a few of the blanks and provided critical background on the various sects within the Baha'i faith along with verification of much of the material collected thus far on Mason Remey.
There is so much material and quite frankly a good deal of data that still needs due diligence before I can safely submit it here for your and the other reader's review.
Now, having said that, I can verify that the Baha'i faith was a critical and key component to Mason Remey's adult life and effected every aspect of his life.
Unfortunately Carl, there's not really a simple answer that I can render in this case as to be fair, this story is like a prism, which as you know, held up to a light source will give off a wide spectrum of light variations in a rainbow burst.
Or, more aptly put, Remey's story is like an onion Carl, you gotta keep peeling back the layers.
More later folks!
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2011 10:19PM by Brody Levesque.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Carl
()
Date: February 12, 2011 04:02PM
Thanks Brody,
The more complicated the more intriquing I think.I will follow this site faithfully.
Carl
The more complicated the more intriquing I think.I will follow this site faithfully.
Carl
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: February 15, 2011 09:31PM
Washington DC FEB 15 |
Dear Folks,
I decided that I needed to give you an update on the progress into researching the Remeum and its accompanying back-story regarding its architect & builder, Mason Remey.
Now, I'm going to state that the following is a journalistic "This is what we know" essay, from which I need to caution the reader that my staff & I are still in the process of establishing facts, in some cases credibility of the source(s), and overall authenticity of materials that were presented as factual.
As I'm sure that Carl, Jewel, Darkstar, Sculler, and the others have pretty much figured out, this story has multiple levels of intrigue, mystery, murder, sexual misconduct, outright fabrications, and deep historical ties to some of the most prominent citizens of not only the United States, but the high society of pre-war Europe and to a lesser degree after the war.
What is most fascinating to those of us that are chasing the story is the many related "6 degrees of separation" Mason Remey had as he clung to the dream of building this monument/tomb/cenotaph to celebrate & honour his family and himself.
Here's what we know:
1.) Based on conversations with a retired construction foreman who was employed by the Shirley Contracting Company based on Cinderbed road in Newington, we have been able to ascertain that the Remeum's main portion located underground was simply buried and graded over in 1983. Shirley Contracting apparently paid to have a demolitions expert examine the structure who reported back that had Shirley and the Pohick Church proceeded with a conventional demolition/leveling- filling in the resultant crater and depression would have been cost prohibitive as it would have required considerable cubic yards of backfill that would have had to have been trucked in.
Instead, according to our source, Shirley simply regraded the rubble from previous efforts in 1972, and 1976, and then added a few dump-truck loads amounting to several 100 cubic yards, creating the current topography that one finds today. He said that a surveyor was hired to specifically to execute the construction layout to set the proper cuts and regrading.
He was able to tell us that the surveyor was a local man named LeRoy deBruin, a resident of West Springfield who owned his own survey outfit. Unfortunately, Mr. deBruin passed away nearly 20 years ago and is buried at the National Cemetery at Marine Corps Base Quantico, Virginia. It would have been nice to interview him as he would have been able to describe from an expert's point of view what the site looked like and some of the details.
Shirley used the same type of equipment that is customarily used for their road construction and VDOT contracts and as a result, the job was accomplished over a 2 day period with only minor adjustments being needed later.
Now, he did indicate that Shirley sent their demo expert into the Remeum to examine it throughly. He said that the man later told him that he had to "wade" through empty beer cans, soda cans, broken bottles, concrete, bits of statuary, and what appeared to be broken friezes. He also remembered the demo guy saying that he was astonished at how large the structure was. Key point, this meant and the retired contracting foreman verified that the demolitions expert had to break through the cinderblocks & dirt plugs to examine the rest of the structure.
He said the man was from an outfit based in Baltimore, Maryland, but couldn't provide any other details.
Now, here's the letdown. Shirley was sold to Clark construction a while ago and sadly, outside of payroll, and some VDOT projects, there are no corporate records left to establish the veracity of the claims. Having said that, the details the source did provide were enough to establish credibility as he had no interest in the story outside of remembering that it was a quick project, and the fact that at the request of the church officials, the obelisk was to remain standing and not be destroyed.
When I asked him about the vent chimneys, he pointed out that the two vents were outside of the surveyed area to be regraded and judging from the heavy brush and undergrowth, they in fact may not have been all that visible.
I showed him aerials taken in 1958, 1972, and more recently in 2001, he graciously pointed out where the topography had changed due to the regrading of the site by Shirley along with the previous demolition efforts. All of the aerials taken in 2010 and 2009, the site is obscured by tree and brush cover so its nearly impossible to tell where the site was.
*****
2.) Now, I have been asked to identify the two central questions regarding Mason's Remeum and its ultimate fate.
Why did he build it in the 1st place?
Why did he simply walk away from it?
Here's what we know. ALL of this intriguing tale revolves around Mason's involvement in the Baha'i religion/faith. I can say with absolute authority that because of this factor in his life, it set the course for virtually everything else to follow.
Mason Remey was the family black sheep because of his adherence/adoption of the Bah'i faith. I think that based on that alone was the motivation for him to build this place to show his commitment to his family.
Coupled with that was the fact, verified, Mason Remey had a monstrous ego. He absolutely lived his life as a damn near "epic" figure, or as one might snark snidely, "a legend in his own mind." It was this sense of "self-importance" that drove him to create this monument.
The second half was why then, would he walk away from it? The truth lies in the conflict within the Baha'i faith that happened after the 1957 death of its spiritual leader who had at one point a six years earlier appointed Remey to a position that would have likely led to Remey's accession to leading the faith as he was very much a critical and key player in the religion.
Through a series of ugly political maneuvering and internecine struggles, Remey lost the opportunity to lead the faith and in fact became a shunned and disparaged outcast of the Baha'i faith.
By the time he died in 1974, he had become a tragic figure, outcast by the very faith that he had helped nurture and build on a global basis, his reputation that of a blasphemer.
Concurrently with the struggles that began in 1957, Remey also was entangled in a fight that would take nearly 11 years to resolve with the Pohick Church over his proposed expansion. Then there was the increasing incidents of vandalism partly encouraged by the mere fact that the church wanted nothing to do with Remey's grandiose memorial especially with the Baha'i elements.
Finally, in 1957, Mason Remey was 82 years old.
So, there's an update, obviously folks there is so much more to the story, and I'll keep updating as we go along.
Please feel free to keep those e-mails flowing, and I promise I shall try to publish more frequently as my regular workload permits.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Dear Folks,
I decided that I needed to give you an update on the progress into researching the Remeum and its accompanying back-story regarding its architect & builder, Mason Remey.
Now, I'm going to state that the following is a journalistic "This is what we know" essay, from which I need to caution the reader that my staff & I are still in the process of establishing facts, in some cases credibility of the source(s), and overall authenticity of materials that were presented as factual.
As I'm sure that Carl, Jewel, Darkstar, Sculler, and the others have pretty much figured out, this story has multiple levels of intrigue, mystery, murder, sexual misconduct, outright fabrications, and deep historical ties to some of the most prominent citizens of not only the United States, but the high society of pre-war Europe and to a lesser degree after the war.
What is most fascinating to those of us that are chasing the story is the many related "6 degrees of separation" Mason Remey had as he clung to the dream of building this monument/tomb/cenotaph to celebrate & honour his family and himself.
Here's what we know:
1.) Based on conversations with a retired construction foreman who was employed by the Shirley Contracting Company based on Cinderbed road in Newington, we have been able to ascertain that the Remeum's main portion located underground was simply buried and graded over in 1983. Shirley Contracting apparently paid to have a demolitions expert examine the structure who reported back that had Shirley and the Pohick Church proceeded with a conventional demolition/leveling- filling in the resultant crater and depression would have been cost prohibitive as it would have required considerable cubic yards of backfill that would have had to have been trucked in.
Instead, according to our source, Shirley simply regraded the rubble from previous efforts in 1972, and 1976, and then added a few dump-truck loads amounting to several 100 cubic yards, creating the current topography that one finds today. He said that a surveyor was hired to specifically to execute the construction layout to set the proper cuts and regrading.
He was able to tell us that the surveyor was a local man named LeRoy deBruin, a resident of West Springfield who owned his own survey outfit. Unfortunately, Mr. deBruin passed away nearly 20 years ago and is buried at the National Cemetery at Marine Corps Base Quantico, Virginia. It would have been nice to interview him as he would have been able to describe from an expert's point of view what the site looked like and some of the details.
Shirley used the same type of equipment that is customarily used for their road construction and VDOT contracts and as a result, the job was accomplished over a 2 day period with only minor adjustments being needed later.
Now, he did indicate that Shirley sent their demo expert into the Remeum to examine it throughly. He said that the man later told him that he had to "wade" through empty beer cans, soda cans, broken bottles, concrete, bits of statuary, and what appeared to be broken friezes. He also remembered the demo guy saying that he was astonished at how large the structure was. Key point, this meant and the retired contracting foreman verified that the demolitions expert had to break through the cinderblocks & dirt plugs to examine the rest of the structure.
He said the man was from an outfit based in Baltimore, Maryland, but couldn't provide any other details.
Now, here's the letdown. Shirley was sold to Clark construction a while ago and sadly, outside of payroll, and some VDOT projects, there are no corporate records left to establish the veracity of the claims. Having said that, the details the source did provide were enough to establish credibility as he had no interest in the story outside of remembering that it was a quick project, and the fact that at the request of the church officials, the obelisk was to remain standing and not be destroyed.
When I asked him about the vent chimneys, he pointed out that the two vents were outside of the surveyed area to be regraded and judging from the heavy brush and undergrowth, they in fact may not have been all that visible.
I showed him aerials taken in 1958, 1972, and more recently in 2001, he graciously pointed out where the topography had changed due to the regrading of the site by Shirley along with the previous demolition efforts. All of the aerials taken in 2010 and 2009, the site is obscured by tree and brush cover so its nearly impossible to tell where the site was.
*****
2.) Now, I have been asked to identify the two central questions regarding Mason's Remeum and its ultimate fate.
Why did he build it in the 1st place?
Why did he simply walk away from it?
Here's what we know. ALL of this intriguing tale revolves around Mason's involvement in the Baha'i religion/faith. I can say with absolute authority that because of this factor in his life, it set the course for virtually everything else to follow.
Mason Remey was the family black sheep because of his adherence/adoption of the Bah'i faith. I think that based on that alone was the motivation for him to build this place to show his commitment to his family.
Coupled with that was the fact, verified, Mason Remey had a monstrous ego. He absolutely lived his life as a damn near "epic" figure, or as one might snark snidely, "a legend in his own mind." It was this sense of "self-importance" that drove him to create this monument.
The second half was why then, would he walk away from it? The truth lies in the conflict within the Baha'i faith that happened after the 1957 death of its spiritual leader who had at one point a six years earlier appointed Remey to a position that would have likely led to Remey's accession to leading the faith as he was very much a critical and key player in the religion.
Through a series of ugly political maneuvering and internecine struggles, Remey lost the opportunity to lead the faith and in fact became a shunned and disparaged outcast of the Baha'i faith.
By the time he died in 1974, he had become a tragic figure, outcast by the very faith that he had helped nurture and build on a global basis, his reputation that of a blasphemer.
Concurrently with the struggles that began in 1957, Remey also was entangled in a fight that would take nearly 11 years to resolve with the Pohick Church over his proposed expansion. Then there was the increasing incidents of vandalism partly encouraged by the mere fact that the church wanted nothing to do with Remey's grandiose memorial especially with the Baha'i elements.
Finally, in 1957, Mason Remey was 82 years old.
So, there's an update, obviously folks there is so much more to the story, and I'll keep updating as we go along.
Please feel free to keep those e-mails flowing, and I promise I shall try to publish more frequently as my regular workload permits.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: February 16, 2011 07:57AM
Thanks again for all the research you've put into this.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Huntington
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Date: February 16, 2011 01:52PM
Thank you for all of the time and research.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Carl
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Date: February 16, 2011 03:33PM
Thanks again Cody,
Carl
Carl
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
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Date: February 16, 2011 10:02PM
Dear Folks,
Given the *ahem* nature of some of your collective nocturnal visits to the Remeum, I thought you'd all get a kick out of the following piece from my colleagues at Reason TV.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Given the *ahem* nature of some of your collective nocturnal visits to the Remeum, I thought you'd all get a kick out of the following piece from my colleagues at Reason TV.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brent P
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Date: February 17, 2011 03:51AM
That's really interesting. And I don't even drink (I did my share as a young man).
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brain
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Date: February 19, 2011 07:15AM
I guess the main question I have is, were only the exposed structures (like the outer wall) demolished and leveled, leaving the underground portions primarily intact after demolition? And the vents, do they indicate an intact underground structure beneath them? So many things have been suggested on the maps I find it a little confusing. Where are the potentially intact underground portions located on the last good ariel view?
Fun thought, maybe someday the Orthodox Baha'I will want to dig it up and reassemble it. The thought of that mammoth empty sarcophagus remaining underground is intriguing. Thats another question, how much of the complex was removed? Are the stone lions still buried out there somewhere, or did they wind up being taken away to decorate someones estate.
Thanks
John B.
Fun thought, maybe someday the Orthodox Baha'I will want to dig it up and reassemble it. The thought of that mammoth empty sarcophagus remaining underground is intriguing. Thats another question, how much of the complex was removed? Are the stone lions still buried out there somewhere, or did they wind up being taken away to decorate someones estate.
Thanks
John B.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: February 19, 2011 11:00AM
Bethesda, Maryland FEB 19 |
Dear John B.,
The actual demolition of the Remeum actually took place over a ten year period culminating in the burial/regrading of the site in 1983 by Shirley Contracting Corporation of Newington, Virginia.
The underground portion is completely intact. As I stated in my previous post(s), the source told me that the cost to execute as traditional demolition exceeded the funds made available by the Truro Parish's Pohick Church. The other aspect was that Mason Remey had designed the underground portion to not only carry the weight of the earth over it, but additionally the weight of the proposed aboveground expansion, acting as the foundational supports of that structure.
I have contacted a professional Chicago, Illinois, demolition firm that specialises in demolitions of conventional office buildings and commercial structures. I sent them the specs along with pictures of the interior that were available from the readership here on the forum along with a request to do a "feasibility & cost approach" on demolition of the Remeum v. burial regrade of the site. When I get that information back I shall share it with the readers here.
In regard to the Baha'i faith. The short answer is that there would be absolutely zero interest in an archaeological examination of the site as;
a.) There are no significant items of interest to the Baha'i in the ruins.
b.) Mason Remey was for all intents & purposes to use a Roman Catholic term, excommunicated from the faith.
Now, in purely historic reference and frame, the ruins are significant only in terms of the history of Mason Remey, but it is highly doubtful there are artifacts remaining entombed within the structure of value, however, that is not to say of interest from a historical perspective.
Finally, the Truro Parish has made it absolutely clear that under no circumstances do they, (Rector & Vestry) have any desire to reopen or revisit the Remeum. There is no possible way at this time that I could see the Church officials acceding to a request to explore the ruins. Of course, you never know, stranger things have happened.
I'll have more results from the ongoing research later this weekend.
Be Well
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Dear John B.,
The actual demolition of the Remeum actually took place over a ten year period culminating in the burial/regrading of the site in 1983 by Shirley Contracting Corporation of Newington, Virginia.
The underground portion is completely intact. As I stated in my previous post(s), the source told me that the cost to execute as traditional demolition exceeded the funds made available by the Truro Parish's Pohick Church. The other aspect was that Mason Remey had designed the underground portion to not only carry the weight of the earth over it, but additionally the weight of the proposed aboveground expansion, acting as the foundational supports of that structure.
I have contacted a professional Chicago, Illinois, demolition firm that specialises in demolitions of conventional office buildings and commercial structures. I sent them the specs along with pictures of the interior that were available from the readership here on the forum along with a request to do a "feasibility & cost approach" on demolition of the Remeum v. burial regrade of the site. When I get that information back I shall share it with the readers here.
In regard to the Baha'i faith. The short answer is that there would be absolutely zero interest in an archaeological examination of the site as;
a.) There are no significant items of interest to the Baha'i in the ruins.
b.) Mason Remey was for all intents & purposes to use a Roman Catholic term, excommunicated from the faith.
Now, in purely historic reference and frame, the ruins are significant only in terms of the history of Mason Remey, but it is highly doubtful there are artifacts remaining entombed within the structure of value, however, that is not to say of interest from a historical perspective.
Finally, the Truro Parish has made it absolutely clear that under no circumstances do they, (Rector & Vestry) have any desire to reopen or revisit the Remeum. There is no possible way at this time that I could see the Church officials acceding to a request to explore the ruins. Of course, you never know, stranger things have happened.
I'll have more results from the ongoing research later this weekend.
Be Well
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Carl
()
Date: February 19, 2011 05:42PM
I think it would be well worththe effort to resurrect the rememeum. Not just for the historical point but the aesthetic perspective. The place was beautiful especially the outside that could have passed for a mini version of the courts of the palaces of old byzantium.It had class.
After the leveling me and a bunch of my friends found a way inside that was in 1983.
The time I set foot there was in 1988 and the side entrances we used were all filled in only the oblisk remained.
Carl
After the leveling me and a bunch of my friends found a way inside that was in 1983.
The time I set foot there was in 1988 and the side entrances we used were all filled in only the oblisk remained.
Carl
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jewel
()
Date: February 21, 2011 09:48PM
In answer to Brian, the last time I was there it looked like the outer walls may have been plowed into the fill. It was mostly empty yard behind them until you got to the door to the crypt itself. I don't remember seeing the lions on my first visit, but they may have been buried, the dirt was piled up to the top of the arch, then dug down a bit by the kids who excavated back in.
Mr. Levesque, thanks for the whiskey link to Mount Vernon. My Dad was there when they were building a replica of the round barn. They grabbed him to help lift the beams in place. I gotta say, I love living in this area, there is so much history.
I'd love to see someone do a comprehensive piece on Col. William Fitzhugh and his family. He was an agent for the King who handed out land grants. His friends the Washingtons and Masons ended up with nice chunks of land. He granted himself most of the land in Springfield, Annandale and out to Fairfax where it butted up against land George Mason owned. Backlick Road followed part of a deer trail and was cut out to roll hogsheads of tobacco from his plantation Ravensworth to the Little River Turnpike in Anandale (then spelled with only 2 'n's) where they went to the port in (what is now) Old Town Alexandria. On precolonial maps it is labeled Colonel Fithugh's Rolling Road.
If you look at the family trees of the Masons, Washingtons and Lees, there are quite a few Fitzhughs who pop up here and there. one, Fitzhugh Lee, was Robert E. Lee's nephew and a famous Civil War General and the 40th Governor of Virginia. There is a nice write up of him and several pictures on Wikipedia if anyone is interested. His beard frightens me! =]
Jewel
Mr. Levesque, thanks for the whiskey link to Mount Vernon. My Dad was there when they were building a replica of the round barn. They grabbed him to help lift the beams in place. I gotta say, I love living in this area, there is so much history.
I'd love to see someone do a comprehensive piece on Col. William Fitzhugh and his family. He was an agent for the King who handed out land grants. His friends the Washingtons and Masons ended up with nice chunks of land. He granted himself most of the land in Springfield, Annandale and out to Fairfax where it butted up against land George Mason owned. Backlick Road followed part of a deer trail and was cut out to roll hogsheads of tobacco from his plantation Ravensworth to the Little River Turnpike in Anandale (then spelled with only 2 'n's) where they went to the port in (what is now) Old Town Alexandria. On precolonial maps it is labeled Colonel Fithugh's Rolling Road.
If you look at the family trees of the Masons, Washingtons and Lees, there are quite a few Fitzhughs who pop up here and there. one, Fitzhugh Lee, was Robert E. Lee's nephew and a famous Civil War General and the 40th Governor of Virginia. There is a nice write up of him and several pictures on Wikipedia if anyone is interested. His beard frightens me! =]
Jewel
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: February 22, 2011 08:31PM
WASHINGTON DC FEB 22 |
Dear Folks,
Here's some more trivia about the Remeum to ponder:
During a deposition given in 1962, Mason Remey testified that he had spent over $2.7 million dollars from inception up till the court ordered cessation of construction.
To give you an idea of the dollar amount Mason Remey would need to expend in today's economic times: $2,700,000.00 in 1958 had the same buying power as $20,530,362.68 in 2010.
Annual inflation over this period was 3.98%.
I have received an answer from the Brandenburg corporation in Chicago, Illinois.
It was the given professional opinion that due to the construction techniques utilised by Mason Remey, a conventional demolition would have been very expensive.
The experts from the firm also indicated that imploding the Remeum would have in fact resulted in a crater like depression that would have taken considerable yards of backfill and hours of grading above the time factor and backfill required to simply bury the Remeum. Here's the firm's website: http://www.brandenburg.com/Default.html
In regard to the Baha'i faith. Apparently I have touched a nerve- make that several. Most of the orthodox Baha'i will absolutely NOT speak on the record about Remey in some cases going so far as to be unwilling to speak about him period.
It is very interesting to see the reactions among the Baha'i to Mr. Remey.
We are still gathering facts and as such I have a tremendous amount of materials, but not enough authentication and verifications oh and yes, plenty of unsubstantiated rumours. I hope that I will be able to add more here shortly.
However, based on what has been discovered and researched I can say with authority that almost all aspects of the Remeum revolved around Mason's Baha'i involvement to some degree including his reasons for building it and most likely his reasons for abandoning it.
For Jewel:
William Fitzhugh (August 24, 1741 – June 6, 1809) was an American planter and statesman who served as a delegate to the Continental Congress for Virginia in 1779.
He was the great-grandson of immigrant Colonel William Fitzhugh who came to Virginia in about 1671 and owned 54,000 acres (220 km²) when he died in 1701. William of Chatham inherited most of the land. As a child he suffered the loss of an eye when accidentally hit with a whip by one of his stepbrothers.
In 1804 Fitzhugh's daughter Mary Lee Fitzhugh was married in the parlor of the Alexandria townhouse to George Washington Parke Custis, grandson of Martha Dandridge Custis Washington and adopted grandson of George Washington. In 1831 their daughter, Mary Anna Randolph Custis, married Robert E. Lee.
Fitzhugh died five years later at the age of 69, leaving behind his three children. He was initially buried at Ravensworth, but when the mansion was destroyed, his remains and gravestone were moved to the Pohick Church graveyard.
Here is a picture of the front of the Ravensworth mansion:
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2011 08:36PM by Brody Levesque.
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Dear Folks,
Here's some more trivia about the Remeum to ponder:
During a deposition given in 1962, Mason Remey testified that he had spent over $2.7 million dollars from inception up till the court ordered cessation of construction.
To give you an idea of the dollar amount Mason Remey would need to expend in today's economic times: $2,700,000.00 in 1958 had the same buying power as $20,530,362.68 in 2010.
Annual inflation over this period was 3.98%.
I have received an answer from the Brandenburg corporation in Chicago, Illinois.
It was the given professional opinion that due to the construction techniques utilised by Mason Remey, a conventional demolition would have been very expensive.
The experts from the firm also indicated that imploding the Remeum would have in fact resulted in a crater like depression that would have taken considerable yards of backfill and hours of grading above the time factor and backfill required to simply bury the Remeum. Here's the firm's website: http://www.brandenburg.com/Default.html
In regard to the Baha'i faith. Apparently I have touched a nerve- make that several. Most of the orthodox Baha'i will absolutely NOT speak on the record about Remey in some cases going so far as to be unwilling to speak about him period.
It is very interesting to see the reactions among the Baha'i to Mr. Remey.
We are still gathering facts and as such I have a tremendous amount of materials, but not enough authentication and verifications oh and yes, plenty of unsubstantiated rumours. I hope that I will be able to add more here shortly.
However, based on what has been discovered and researched I can say with authority that almost all aspects of the Remeum revolved around Mason's Baha'i involvement to some degree including his reasons for building it and most likely his reasons for abandoning it.
For Jewel:
William Fitzhugh (August 24, 1741 – June 6, 1809) was an American planter and statesman who served as a delegate to the Continental Congress for Virginia in 1779.
He was the great-grandson of immigrant Colonel William Fitzhugh who came to Virginia in about 1671 and owned 54,000 acres (220 km²) when he died in 1701. William of Chatham inherited most of the land. As a child he suffered the loss of an eye when accidentally hit with a whip by one of his stepbrothers.
In 1804 Fitzhugh's daughter Mary Lee Fitzhugh was married in the parlor of the Alexandria townhouse to George Washington Parke Custis, grandson of Martha Dandridge Custis Washington and adopted grandson of George Washington. In 1831 their daughter, Mary Anna Randolph Custis, married Robert E. Lee.
Fitzhugh died five years later at the age of 69, leaving behind his three children. He was initially buried at Ravensworth, but when the mansion was destroyed, his remains and gravestone were moved to the Pohick Church graveyard.
Here is a picture of the front of the Ravensworth mansion:
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2011 08:36PM by Brody Levesque.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
RavensworthGuy
()
Date: February 23, 2011 09:52AM
Thanks Brody, I grew up in the Ravensworth Farm neighborhood. I believe the Mansion was located where Ravensworth Shopping Center currently sits.
Great stuff on the Remeuem, my older sisters told me stories about going there in the 70s as well. Love all the posts here!
Great stuff on the Remeuem, my older sisters told me stories about going there in the 70s as well. Love all the posts here!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
I'd like to know
()
Date: February 23, 2011 10:18AM
RavensworthGuy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thanks Brody, I grew up in the Ravensworth Farm
> neighborhood. I believe the Mansion was located
> where Ravensworth Shopping Center currently sits.
>
> Great stuff on the Remeuem, my older sisters told
> me stories about going there in the 70s as well.
> Love all the posts here!
I googled it last night and I got that it was where the ramp from the innerloop to east bound Braddock is now. I will have to look further, but its a topic for another thread.
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> Thanks Brody, I grew up in the Ravensworth Farm
> neighborhood. I believe the Mansion was located
> where Ravensworth Shopping Center currently sits.
>
> Great stuff on the Remeuem, my older sisters told
> me stories about going there in the 70s as well.
> Love all the posts here!
I googled it last night and I got that it was where the ramp from the innerloop to east bound Braddock is now. I will have to look further, but its a topic for another thread.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
JBrother
()
Date: February 23, 2011 11:45AM
This has to be the best thread on this entire site! Everyone keep up the good work and the interesting facts!
On a Ravensworth related note, here are some photos of the old Ravensworth house as well as the stable building. For more photos and drawings check out the Library of Congress web site here http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/VA0405/
JBrother
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On a Ravensworth related note, here are some photos of the old Ravensworth house as well as the stable building. For more photos and drawings check out the Library of Congress web site here http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/VA0405/
JBrother
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: February 23, 2011 02:55PM
Very cool photos, thanks for posting them.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: February 25, 2011 11:28PM
Washington DC FEB 25 |
Dear Folks,
I have a wealth of materials that I have been wading through regarding the Remeum which I am hoping to get posted later this weekend.
In the meantime, for Jewel, The Sculler, JBrother, and RavensworthGuy, here's some more information on the Colonel William Fitzhugh plantation, Ravensworth.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Ravensworth Replacement House [ Pictured Below ]
On August 1, 1926, the Ravensworth Mansion mysteriously burned down, though the adjacent outbuildings survived. Subsequently, Dr. George Bolling Lee built this smaller farm house on the property. In 1956, the property and buildings were considered as a possible location for the Northern Virginia University - the future George Mason University, which eventually was built near Fairfax City. The property was later sold and developed into the Ravensworth subdivision. The Lee farm house was demolished to make way for the Ravensworth shopping center and industrial area.
The original Ravensworth Mansion was built c. 1797 and became home to William Henry Fitzhugh and his wife Anna Maria. Henry had inherited the Ravensworth property in 1809, while still a minor, upon his father William Fitzhugh's death. Anna Maria's niece, Mary Lee and her husband, Robert E. Lee honeymooned at Ravensworth. During the Civil War, Mary Lee and her children briefly stayed at Ravensworth, but fearing for the safety of her relatives, they moved south to eventually settle in Richmond.
The Fitzhughs, who were childless, had willed the 8,000-acre Ravensworth property to their niece. Mary Lee's death in 1873 preceded Anna Maria's in 1874. Therefore, the estate was divided among the five surviving Lee children. William Henry Fitzhugh Lee inherited the mansion and 500 surrounding acres. By 1922, W. H. F. Lee's property had passed to his son Dr. George Bolling Lee, who used the residence as a summer home and hired overseers to operate the farm.
Dr. George Bolling Lee
Birth: Aug. 31, 1872
Fairfax County
Virginia, USA
Death: Jul. 13, 1948
New York
New York County
New York, USA
George was the son of Gen. William Henry Fitzhugh Lee and Mary Tabb Bolling. He married Helen Keeney.
Obituary from the "New York Times," 14 Jul 1948, page 23,, column 5:
DR. GEORGE B. LEE, GYNECOLOGIST, 75
Physician Here Since 1899 Dies - Grandson of Gen. R.E. Lee Served Many Hospitals
Dr. George Bolling Lee, a gynecologist who had practiced medicine here since 1899 and was a grandson of Gen. Robert E. Lee, Confederate military leader in the Civil War, died yesterday in St. Luke's Hospital after a long illness at the age of 75. His home and office were at 20 East Sixty-sixth Street.
Of Colonial lineage, he was born in Lexington, Va., a great-grandson of Col. Henry (Lighthorse Harry) Lee of the Continental Army and the son of the Late Maj. Gen. William Henry Fitzhugh Lee of the Confederate Army and the late Mrs. Mary Tabb Lee.
Dr. Lee was graduated with an A.B. degree from Washington and Lee University in 1893 and received his M.D. in 1896 from the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Columbia University. In 1934, Dr. Lee and Maj. Gen. Ulysses G. Grant 3d, (USA (retired), and grandson of the man to whom Gen. Robert E. Lee surrendered in 1865, received honorary LL.D. degrees from Gettysburg (Pa.) College, where General Lee fought and lost his greatest battle. The grandsons shook hands.
Practiced Since 1899. An interne at Bellevue Hospital in 1896-99, Dr. Lee then commenced to practice medicine, continuing until his death. He was formerly an associate surgeon at Women's Hospital and visiting gynecologist at Bellevue Hospital and the Hospital for Joint Diseases. He also was formerly Professor of Gynecology and Obstetrics at the Polyclinc Medical School and Hospital. At one time his office was in the Plaza Hotel.
He was formerly honorary president of the board of directors of the Robert E. Lee Memorial Foundation, which acquired and restored Stratford Hall, his grandfather's Virginia birthplace, as a national shrine. On April 9, 1928, sixty-three years to the day after General Lee's surrender, Dr. Lee was a guest of honor as his son, Robert E. Lee 4th, now a student at Washington and Lee gave the signal that revealed to assembled thousands the equestrian statue of General Lee carved in granite on the wall of Stone Mound, Georgia, as part of the Lee Memorial. The late James J. Walker, then Mayor of New York, accepted the memorial on behalf of the nation.... Dr. Lee served as a captain and contract surgion with the United States Volunteers. In the first World War, he was a captain in the Army Medical Officers Reserve Corps....
Besides his son, he leaves his wife, Mrs. Helen Keeney Lee, whom he wed in 1920, and a daughter, Miss Mary W. Lee of New York.
Burial:
Lee Chapel Museum
Lexington (Lexington City County)
Lexington City
Virginia, USA
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2011 06:29PM by Brody Levesque.
Attachments:
Dear Folks,
I have a wealth of materials that I have been wading through regarding the Remeum which I am hoping to get posted later this weekend.
In the meantime, for Jewel, The Sculler, JBrother, and RavensworthGuy, here's some more information on the Colonel William Fitzhugh plantation, Ravensworth.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Ravensworth Replacement House [ Pictured Below ]
On August 1, 1926, the Ravensworth Mansion mysteriously burned down, though the adjacent outbuildings survived. Subsequently, Dr. George Bolling Lee built this smaller farm house on the property. In 1956, the property and buildings were considered as a possible location for the Northern Virginia University - the future George Mason University, which eventually was built near Fairfax City. The property was later sold and developed into the Ravensworth subdivision. The Lee farm house was demolished to make way for the Ravensworth shopping center and industrial area.
The original Ravensworth Mansion was built c. 1797 and became home to William Henry Fitzhugh and his wife Anna Maria. Henry had inherited the Ravensworth property in 1809, while still a minor, upon his father William Fitzhugh's death. Anna Maria's niece, Mary Lee and her husband, Robert E. Lee honeymooned at Ravensworth. During the Civil War, Mary Lee and her children briefly stayed at Ravensworth, but fearing for the safety of her relatives, they moved south to eventually settle in Richmond.
The Fitzhughs, who were childless, had willed the 8,000-acre Ravensworth property to their niece. Mary Lee's death in 1873 preceded Anna Maria's in 1874. Therefore, the estate was divided among the five surviving Lee children. William Henry Fitzhugh Lee inherited the mansion and 500 surrounding acres. By 1922, W. H. F. Lee's property had passed to his son Dr. George Bolling Lee, who used the residence as a summer home and hired overseers to operate the farm.
Dr. George Bolling Lee
Birth: Aug. 31, 1872
Fairfax County
Virginia, USA
Death: Jul. 13, 1948
New York
New York County
New York, USA
George was the son of Gen. William Henry Fitzhugh Lee and Mary Tabb Bolling. He married Helen Keeney.
Obituary from the "New York Times," 14 Jul 1948, page 23,, column 5:
DR. GEORGE B. LEE, GYNECOLOGIST, 75
Physician Here Since 1899 Dies - Grandson of Gen. R.E. Lee Served Many Hospitals
Dr. George Bolling Lee, a gynecologist who had practiced medicine here since 1899 and was a grandson of Gen. Robert E. Lee, Confederate military leader in the Civil War, died yesterday in St. Luke's Hospital after a long illness at the age of 75. His home and office were at 20 East Sixty-sixth Street.
Of Colonial lineage, he was born in Lexington, Va., a great-grandson of Col. Henry (Lighthorse Harry) Lee of the Continental Army and the son of the Late Maj. Gen. William Henry Fitzhugh Lee of the Confederate Army and the late Mrs. Mary Tabb Lee.
Dr. Lee was graduated with an A.B. degree from Washington and Lee University in 1893 and received his M.D. in 1896 from the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Columbia University. In 1934, Dr. Lee and Maj. Gen. Ulysses G. Grant 3d, (USA (retired), and grandson of the man to whom Gen. Robert E. Lee surrendered in 1865, received honorary LL.D. degrees from Gettysburg (Pa.) College, where General Lee fought and lost his greatest battle. The grandsons shook hands.
Practiced Since 1899. An interne at Bellevue Hospital in 1896-99, Dr. Lee then commenced to practice medicine, continuing until his death. He was formerly an associate surgeon at Women's Hospital and visiting gynecologist at Bellevue Hospital and the Hospital for Joint Diseases. He also was formerly Professor of Gynecology and Obstetrics at the Polyclinc Medical School and Hospital. At one time his office was in the Plaza Hotel.
He was formerly honorary president of the board of directors of the Robert E. Lee Memorial Foundation, which acquired and restored Stratford Hall, his grandfather's Virginia birthplace, as a national shrine. On April 9, 1928, sixty-three years to the day after General Lee's surrender, Dr. Lee was a guest of honor as his son, Robert E. Lee 4th, now a student at Washington and Lee gave the signal that revealed to assembled thousands the equestrian statue of General Lee carved in granite on the wall of Stone Mound, Georgia, as part of the Lee Memorial. The late James J. Walker, then Mayor of New York, accepted the memorial on behalf of the nation.... Dr. Lee served as a captain and contract surgion with the United States Volunteers. In the first World War, he was a captain in the Army Medical Officers Reserve Corps....
Besides his son, he leaves his wife, Mrs. Helen Keeney Lee, whom he wed in 1920, and a daughter, Miss Mary W. Lee of New York.
Burial:
Lee Chapel Museum
Lexington (Lexington City County)
Lexington City
Virginia, USA
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2011 06:29PM by Brody Levesque.
Attachments:
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: March 07, 2011 09:17PM
Washington DC MAR 7 |
Dear Folks,
As we continue to solidify leads and information on the Remeum, my staff and I have a small favour to ask of the readership here.
For those of you who would be interested in participating, we would deeply appreciate e-mails to the address below and in those mails, please tell us your experiences about the Remeum including how you heard about it etc.
I'd appreciate factual accounts and not second hand or "I was told that..." accounts as I am trying to document first hand accounts of the experiences.
Now, I would like your actual names but if that is not possible then I will be more than happy to use you 'net handle' or an alias of your choice.
Thanks to all.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
e-mail: theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Dear Folks,
As we continue to solidify leads and information on the Remeum, my staff and I have a small favour to ask of the readership here.
For those of you who would be interested in participating, we would deeply appreciate e-mails to the address below and in those mails, please tell us your experiences about the Remeum including how you heard about it etc.
I'd appreciate factual accounts and not second hand or "I was told that..." accounts as I am trying to document first hand accounts of the experiences.
Now, I would like your actual names but if that is not possible then I will be more than happy to use you 'net handle' or an alias of your choice.
Thanks to all.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
e-mail: theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
RavensworthGuy
()
Date: March 08, 2011 10:47AM
Brody Levesque Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Washington DC FEB 25 |
>
> Dear Folks,
>
> I have a wealth of materials that I have been
> wading through regarding the Remeum which I am
> hoping to get posted later this weekend.
>
> In the meantime, for Jewel, The Sculler, JBrother,
> and RavensworthGuy, here's some more information
> on the Colonel William Fitzhugh plantation,
> Ravensworth.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Brody Levesque
>
> Ravensworth Replacement House [ Pictured Below ]
>
> On August 1, 1926, the Ravensworth Mansion
> mysteriously burned down, though the adjacent
> outbuildings survived. Subsequently, Dr. George
> Bolling Lee built this smaller farm house on the
> property. In 1956, the property and buildings were
> considered as a possible location for the Northern
> Virginia University - the future George Mason
> University, which eventually was built near
> Fairfax City. The property was later sold and
> developed into the Ravensworth subdivision. The
> Lee farm house was demolished to make way for the
> Ravensworth shopping center and industrial area.
>
> The original Ravensworth Mansion was built c. 1797
> and became home to William Henry Fitzhugh and his
> wife Anna Maria. Henry had inherited the
> Ravensworth property in 1809, while still a minor,
> upon his father William Fitzhugh's death. Anna
> Maria's niece, Mary Lee and her husband, Robert E.
> Lee honeymooned at Ravensworth. During the Civil
> War, Mary Lee and her children briefly stayed at
> Ravensworth, but fearing for the safety of her
> relatives, they moved south to eventually settle
> in Richmond.
>
> The Fitzhughs, who were childless, had willed the
> 8,000-acre Ravensworth property to their niece.
> Mary Lee's death in 1873 preceded Anna Maria's in
> 1874. Therefore, the estate was divided among the
> five surviving Lee children. William Henry
> Fitzhugh Lee inherited the mansion and 500
> surrounding acres. By 1922, W. H. F. Lee's
> property had passed to his son Dr. George Bolling
> Lee, who used the residence as a summer home and
> hired overseers to operate the farm.
>
> Dr. George Bolling Lee
>
> Birth: Aug. 31, 1872
> Fairfax County
> Virginia, USA
> Death: Jul. 13, 1948
> New York
> New York County
> New York, USA
>
> George was the son of Gen. William Henry Fitzhugh
> Lee and Mary Tabb Bolling. He married Helen
> Keeney.
>
> Obituary from the "New York Times," 14 Jul 1948,
> page 23,, column 5:
>
> DR. GEORGE B. LEE, GYNECOLOGIST, 75
> Physician Here Since 1899 Dies - Grandson of Gen.
> R.E. Lee Served Many Hospitals
>
> Dr. George Bolling Lee, a gynecologist who had
> practiced medicine here since 1899 and was a
> grandson of Gen. Robert E. Lee, Confederate
> military leader in the Civil War, died yesterday
> in St. Luke's Hospital after a long illness at the
> age of 75. His home and office were at 20 East
> Sixty-sixth Street.
>
> Of Colonial lineage, he was born in Lexington,
> Va., a great-grandson of Col. Henry (Lighthorse
> Harry) Lee of the Continental Army and the son of
> the Late Maj. Gen. William Henry Fitzhugh Lee of
> the Confederate Army and the late Mrs. Mary Tabb
> Lee.
>
> Dr. Lee was graduated with an A.B. degree from
> Washington and Lee University in 1893 and received
> his M.D. in 1896 from the College of Physicians
> and Surgeons of Columbia University. In 1934, Dr.
> Lee and Maj. Gen. Ulysses G. Grant 3d, (USA
> (retired), and grandson of the man to whom Gen.
> Robert E. Lee surrendered in 1865, received
> honorary LL.D. degrees from Gettysburg (Pa.)
> College, where General Lee fought and lost his
> greatest battle. The grandsons shook hands.
>
> Practiced Since 1899. An interne at Bellevue
> Hospital in 1896-99, Dr. Lee then commenced to
> practice medicine, continuing until his death. He
> was formerly an associate surgeon at Women's
> Hospital and visiting gynecologist at Bellevue
> Hospital and the Hospital for Joint Diseases. He
> also was formerly Professor of Gynecology and
> Obstetrics at the Polyclinc Medical School and
> Hospital. At one time his office was in the Plaza
> Hotel.
>
> He was formerly honorary president of the board of
> directors of the Robert E. Lee Memorial
> Foundation, which acquired and restored Stratford
> Hall, his grandfather's Virginia birthplace, as a
> national shrine. On April 9, 1928, sixty-three
> years to the day after General Lee's surrender,
> Dr. Lee was a guest of honor as his son, Robert E.
> Lee 4th, now a student at Washington and Lee gave
> the signal that revealed to assembled thousands
> the equestrian statue of General Lee carved in
> granite on the wall of Stone Mound, Georgia, as
> part of the Lee Memorial. The late James J.
> Walker, then Mayor of New York, accepted the
> memorial on behalf of the nation.... Dr. Lee
> served as a captain and contract surgion with the
> United States Volunteers. In the first World War,
> he was a captain in the Army Medical Officers
> Reserve Corps....
>
> Besides his son, he leaves his wife, Mrs. Helen
> Keeney Lee, whom he wed in 1920, and a daughter,
> Miss Mary W. Lee of New York.
>
> Burial:
> Lee Chapel Museum
> Lexington (Lexington City County)
> Lexington City
> Virginia, USA
Very cool stuff Brody, thanks again! I am going to talk to an old friend that went to Lee HS back in the 70's and hung out at Cripts and with Hells Angels back then. I'll be sure to send anything interesting that I hear from him.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Washington DC FEB 25 |
>
> Dear Folks,
>
> I have a wealth of materials that I have been
> wading through regarding the Remeum which I am
> hoping to get posted later this weekend.
>
> In the meantime, for Jewel, The Sculler, JBrother,
> and RavensworthGuy, here's some more information
> on the Colonel William Fitzhugh plantation,
> Ravensworth.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Brody Levesque
>
> Ravensworth Replacement House [ Pictured Below ]
>
> On August 1, 1926, the Ravensworth Mansion
> mysteriously burned down, though the adjacent
> outbuildings survived. Subsequently, Dr. George
> Bolling Lee built this smaller farm house on the
> property. In 1956, the property and buildings were
> considered as a possible location for the Northern
> Virginia University - the future George Mason
> University, which eventually was built near
> Fairfax City. The property was later sold and
> developed into the Ravensworth subdivision. The
> Lee farm house was demolished to make way for the
> Ravensworth shopping center and industrial area.
>
> The original Ravensworth Mansion was built c. 1797
> and became home to William Henry Fitzhugh and his
> wife Anna Maria. Henry had inherited the
> Ravensworth property in 1809, while still a minor,
> upon his father William Fitzhugh's death. Anna
> Maria's niece, Mary Lee and her husband, Robert E.
> Lee honeymooned at Ravensworth. During the Civil
> War, Mary Lee and her children briefly stayed at
> Ravensworth, but fearing for the safety of her
> relatives, they moved south to eventually settle
> in Richmond.
>
> The Fitzhughs, who were childless, had willed the
> 8,000-acre Ravensworth property to their niece.
> Mary Lee's death in 1873 preceded Anna Maria's in
> 1874. Therefore, the estate was divided among the
> five surviving Lee children. William Henry
> Fitzhugh Lee inherited the mansion and 500
> surrounding acres. By 1922, W. H. F. Lee's
> property had passed to his son Dr. George Bolling
> Lee, who used the residence as a summer home and
> hired overseers to operate the farm.
>
> Dr. George Bolling Lee
>
> Birth: Aug. 31, 1872
> Fairfax County
> Virginia, USA
> Death: Jul. 13, 1948
> New York
> New York County
> New York, USA
>
> George was the son of Gen. William Henry Fitzhugh
> Lee and Mary Tabb Bolling. He married Helen
> Keeney.
>
> Obituary from the "New York Times," 14 Jul 1948,
> page 23,, column 5:
>
> DR. GEORGE B. LEE, GYNECOLOGIST, 75
> Physician Here Since 1899 Dies - Grandson of Gen.
> R.E. Lee Served Many Hospitals
>
> Dr. George Bolling Lee, a gynecologist who had
> practiced medicine here since 1899 and was a
> grandson of Gen. Robert E. Lee, Confederate
> military leader in the Civil War, died yesterday
> in St. Luke's Hospital after a long illness at the
> age of 75. His home and office were at 20 East
> Sixty-sixth Street.
>
> Of Colonial lineage, he was born in Lexington,
> Va., a great-grandson of Col. Henry (Lighthorse
> Harry) Lee of the Continental Army and the son of
> the Late Maj. Gen. William Henry Fitzhugh Lee of
> the Confederate Army and the late Mrs. Mary Tabb
> Lee.
>
> Dr. Lee was graduated with an A.B. degree from
> Washington and Lee University in 1893 and received
> his M.D. in 1896 from the College of Physicians
> and Surgeons of Columbia University. In 1934, Dr.
> Lee and Maj. Gen. Ulysses G. Grant 3d, (USA
> (retired), and grandson of the man to whom Gen.
> Robert E. Lee surrendered in 1865, received
> honorary LL.D. degrees from Gettysburg (Pa.)
> College, where General Lee fought and lost his
> greatest battle. The grandsons shook hands.
>
> Practiced Since 1899. An interne at Bellevue
> Hospital in 1896-99, Dr. Lee then commenced to
> practice medicine, continuing until his death. He
> was formerly an associate surgeon at Women's
> Hospital and visiting gynecologist at Bellevue
> Hospital and the Hospital for Joint Diseases. He
> also was formerly Professor of Gynecology and
> Obstetrics at the Polyclinc Medical School and
> Hospital. At one time his office was in the Plaza
> Hotel.
>
> He was formerly honorary president of the board of
> directors of the Robert E. Lee Memorial
> Foundation, which acquired and restored Stratford
> Hall, his grandfather's Virginia birthplace, as a
> national shrine. On April 9, 1928, sixty-three
> years to the day after General Lee's surrender,
> Dr. Lee was a guest of honor as his son, Robert E.
> Lee 4th, now a student at Washington and Lee gave
> the signal that revealed to assembled thousands
> the equestrian statue of General Lee carved in
> granite on the wall of Stone Mound, Georgia, as
> part of the Lee Memorial. The late James J.
> Walker, then Mayor of New York, accepted the
> memorial on behalf of the nation.... Dr. Lee
> served as a captain and contract surgion with the
> United States Volunteers. In the first World War,
> he was a captain in the Army Medical Officers
> Reserve Corps....
>
> Besides his son, he leaves his wife, Mrs. Helen
> Keeney Lee, whom he wed in 1920, and a daughter,
> Miss Mary W. Lee of New York.
>
> Burial:
> Lee Chapel Museum
> Lexington (Lexington City County)
> Lexington City
> Virginia, USA
Very cool stuff Brody, thanks again! I am going to talk to an old friend that went to Lee HS back in the 70's and hung out at Cripts and with Hells Angels back then. I'll be sure to send anything interesting that I hear from him.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Carlo
()
Date: March 12, 2011 07:54PM
I thought the Pagans held out at the crypts?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ravensworthguy
()
Date: March 12, 2011 10:34PM
Carlo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I thought the Pagans held out at the crypts?
I meant the Pagans, my fault.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I thought the Pagans held out at the crypts?
I meant the Pagans, my fault.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Carlo
()
Date: March 20, 2011 12:35PM
Has anyone written into Brody's web.theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:40PM
WASHINGTON DC MAR 22 |
Dear Folks,
I need to beg your indulgence as this past few weeks worth of work related events the news cycles with earthquakes/tsunamis/nuclear meltdowns/Egypt/Libya- ad infinitum nauseum, has left me unable to grab a spare moment or two to work on the Remeum story project.
Hopefully, barring another natural disaster or armed conflict to report on I'll be able to dive back into the story. I should note that I have received a considerable number of e-mails from Baha'i believers who have generously provided my staff and I with a significant amount of information regarding Mason Remey.
I have also been grateful to receive e-mails from several folk who "partied" at the "crypts" with some details of their experiences/personal history. I am encouraged by this and again, here's my e-mail if you'd be willing to share your experiences: theroadtraveler@gmail.com You may remain anonymous should you desire.
Thanks again for your patience, I remain,
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/22/2011 10:42PM by Brody Levesque.
Dear Folks,
I need to beg your indulgence as this past few weeks worth of work related events the news cycles with earthquakes/tsunamis/nuclear meltdowns/Egypt/Libya- ad infinitum nauseum, has left me unable to grab a spare moment or two to work on the Remeum story project.
Hopefully, barring another natural disaster or armed conflict to report on I'll be able to dive back into the story. I should note that I have received a considerable number of e-mails from Baha'i believers who have generously provided my staff and I with a significant amount of information regarding Mason Remey.
I have also been grateful to receive e-mails from several folk who "partied" at the "crypts" with some details of their experiences/personal history. I am encouraged by this and again, here's my e-mail if you'd be willing to share your experiences: theroadtraveler@gmail.com You may remain anonymous should you desire.
Thanks again for your patience, I remain,
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/22/2011 10:42PM by Brody Levesque.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S.
()
Date: March 24, 2011 04:53AM
In the sunner of 1981 or 1982, I was hanging out at the ALANO Club near 7 Corners and went with a few teenagers to The Crypts at about 2am. We went inside and I remember seeing a plaque that has not been mentioned before. I can't remember the exact wording, but it basically said that the original designs or blueprints were at a University (Harvard or Yale?).
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Carl o
()
Date: April 05, 2011 11:45AM
Hey,
Hows progress going Brody or anyone else
Hows progress going Brody or anyone else
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: April 05, 2011 08:54PM
Bethesda, Maryland APR 5 |
Dear Carl & folks here,
I have been receiving hundreds of e-mails from Baha'i faithful on the subject of Mason Remey.
What is amazing to consider is that nearly 50 years after the turmoil in the Baha'i faith, Remey still generates tremendous controversy & debate that at time is quite acrimonious.
To be honest, the events of the past couple of months have precluded my being able to devote any particular time towards the Remeum project, although, I did have a brilliant conversation & interview with the demolitions expert who as far as I can determine was the last person to explore and tour the entire complex shortly before it was buried and covered over by the Pohick Church for the last time in 1983.
Although in his late seventies, I found him to be quite lucid and his descriptions were illuminating. Sadly, I have to report that the gentleman unfortunately did not make a photographic record of his appraisal of the complex for the suitability of a controlled demolition v. the eventual burial thus once again I am in search of photos which may well turn out to be impossible to locate or have long since ceased to exist.
I also again want to thank the readers here who have been sending me their personal stories and "tales from the crypts" which have provided me with a fascinating glimpse into the teen-aged sub-culture of the late 1960's through to the early 1980's in regard to the "parties at the crypts."
I would again ask that you folks keep those stories coming to me at my email address which is: theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Should I get a longer break here from the news cycle, I intend to write out an outline and some facts that have been uncovered along with tidbits from the Bahia'i communications and the research.
Thanks again for your collective patience folks, I appreciate it.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Dear Carl & folks here,
I have been receiving hundreds of e-mails from Baha'i faithful on the subject of Mason Remey.
What is amazing to consider is that nearly 50 years after the turmoil in the Baha'i faith, Remey still generates tremendous controversy & debate that at time is quite acrimonious.
To be honest, the events of the past couple of months have precluded my being able to devote any particular time towards the Remeum project, although, I did have a brilliant conversation & interview with the demolitions expert who as far as I can determine was the last person to explore and tour the entire complex shortly before it was buried and covered over by the Pohick Church for the last time in 1983.
Although in his late seventies, I found him to be quite lucid and his descriptions were illuminating. Sadly, I have to report that the gentleman unfortunately did not make a photographic record of his appraisal of the complex for the suitability of a controlled demolition v. the eventual burial thus once again I am in search of photos which may well turn out to be impossible to locate or have long since ceased to exist.
I also again want to thank the readers here who have been sending me their personal stories and "tales from the crypts" which have provided me with a fascinating glimpse into the teen-aged sub-culture of the late 1960's through to the early 1980's in regard to the "parties at the crypts."
I would again ask that you folks keep those stories coming to me at my email address which is: theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Should I get a longer break here from the news cycle, I intend to write out an outline and some facts that have been uncovered along with tidbits from the Bahia'i communications and the research.
Thanks again for your collective patience folks, I appreciate it.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
ft hunt
()
Date: April 06, 2011 06:10AM
Use to hear it was a hangout for the Pagans
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Mullen
()
Date: April 06, 2011 06:53PM
Thank you Brody. Your efforts on this research-item are appreciated and followed by myself and probably many other silent readers? Please keep us informed on your developing research. It is fascinating and wanting to learn more. Thanks!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ravensworthguy
()
Date: April 16, 2011 10:35AM
I talked to my friend who hung out with the Pagans as a teenager who said there are definitely more levels in the crypts. He mentioned how it graded down into other chambers and said he went "pretty far" in there meaning that there was a lot more than even he saw. He also said he was in there when the bodies were still there. He said there was an area that had coffins in the walls and how people vandalized them. It was all behind the cinderblock wall in the photos.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
2ndhandinfo
()
Date: May 05, 2011 01:01AM
I talked to both my parents and I don't believe the 1983 date is correct. My dad and a family friend went down to the crypts and they were still uncovered when they were at a wedding at Pohick Church in 1985(I checked with the person who was married that day as to the year). I can tell you they did not go into the crypts very far if at all but they at least poked there heads into the opening of the crypt with a flashlight.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jenna Talia
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Date: May 05, 2011 04:09AM
I've officially spent in the vicinity of 4 hours reading every single post in this thread. I've only lived in the area for a year and a half, and this is quite possibly one of the most intriguing tales I've ever encountered.
I don't have anything to add to the story, but I'm totally interested in this piece of history. I know the church is dead set against any sort of re-entry to the crypt, and that is truly disheartening. From the various descriptions here, it seems it is of some serious historical and architectural value. Even though the carvings, statues, et al are severely damaged, it still piques my interest as to what is salvagable from the crypt. It seems such a shame that years of vandalism brought an end to what is such a treasure.
I plan on continuing to follow this thread with great interest.
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I don't have anything to add to the story, but I'm totally interested in this piece of history. I know the church is dead set against any sort of re-entry to the crypt, and that is truly disheartening. From the various descriptions here, it seems it is of some serious historical and architectural value. Even though the carvings, statues, et al are severely damaged, it still piques my interest as to what is salvagable from the crypt. It seems such a shame that years of vandalism brought an end to what is such a treasure.
I plan on continuing to follow this thread with great interest.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/05/2011 04:09AM by Jenna Talia.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: May 05, 2011 07:29AM
It's been a while since I've heard from Brody.
I might try and go out there and poke around, to see what the state of things are.
Maybe we can kickstart some life back into this thread.
I might try and go out there and poke around, to see what the state of things are.
Maybe we can kickstart some life back into this thread.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Bubble Boy
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Date: May 05, 2011 10:56AM
Here's a link with some information:
http://www.norvapics.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=74&sid=e417bce00b8309898377c5d2da3ce50c
http://www.norvapics.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=74&sid=e417bce00b8309898377c5d2da3ce50c
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
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Date: May 05, 2011 11:21AM
I think this thread has long since surpassed anything Norvapics has. When this thread first started, I found Norvapics through my searches and tried to start an account to access their pictures and it didn't work. I even contacted the moderator to see if he could help and explained to him how excited I was to find out about this long-lost, local history. His only reply was that he was just interested in taking peoples' money if they wanted to see what pictures Norvapics had to offer.
The joke's on him. In the end, someone on this thead boosted pictures of their site anyway and posted them. Like I said, this thread has much more information on the Crypts than Norvapics could ever hope to offer.
The joke's on him. In the end, someone on this thead boosted pictures of their site anyway and posted them. Like I said, this thread has much more information on the Crypts than Norvapics could ever hope to offer.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jenna Talia
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Date: May 05, 2011 06:09PM
I know it's wishful thinking, and maybe a bit macabre, but wouldn't it be interesting if a private investor purchased the property and repaired the crypt, opening it up for viewing as a "historical building"? I wonder if it's even financially viable. Would enough people give a damn enough to spend some admission dollars to check it out? I know I'd spend a few bucks to go check it out...
Too bad the church never embraced the idea years ago. I'm really interested in what the interior looks like..
Too bad the church never embraced the idea years ago. I'm really interested in what the interior looks like..
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
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Date: May 05, 2011 10:39PM
WASHINGTON DC MAY 5 |
Dear Folks,
As I previously have stated, my principal means of earning a living is as a journalist, freelancing for two major wire services, and as I'm certain you have all noted, there certainly hasn't been a lack of "news" to cover.
I have to admit, starting off with earthquakes, then a tsunami topped of with a nuclear disaster certainly was interesting. Then there was Tunisia, Egypt, and Yemen with a finishing touch of Libya and for added excitement a Royal wedding and this past weekend, the hunt for the world's most despised terrorist ended.
In between was Tea party fights, a budget crisis, politicos at each other's throats and I gotta tell you all, my days were VERY long indeed.
So, again, I apologise if I've been absent in posting here but I haven't had time to edit through all of your marvelous e-mails and leads that my staff and I are still chasing.
To the gentleperson who thought 1983 was not the correct date. [ 2ndhandinfo ] This is the date that I have been given by the church as well as an official with Shirley Contracting as to the final "cover-up" if you will, of the Remeum.
Now, as we perform due diligence on all aspects of this story, should that fact stand corrected, I will be more than happy to publish the verified date.
At this time, 1983 seems to match the available documentation as well as the oral history we've been collecting.
Dear Mr. Sculler, I need to thank you for your continuing support of my efforts along with everyone here who reads this thread and contributes. Especially those of you who have e-mailed with your personal stories which are bloody marvelous. Cheers for that eh?
Now, a brief update. We now have in our possession copies of the actual construction blueprints which I have sent to a friend who works with an architectural firm. I am hopeful that we will be able to "shrink" the blueprints down into manageable jpeg or png formats so that I can share them with you folks.
Also, apparently Admiral Wadleigh had left some journal entries and letters that pertain to his actions on behalf of Mason Remey regarding the reinterments of the family remains as well as Mrs. C. M. Remey. We are in contact with the source who has knowledge of these documents and I am hopeful that I will or my assistant will be able to view and duplicate them. This would especially be beneficial in identifying the contractor that installed the three cinderblock and dirt plugs at the time the Admiral moved the remains in compliance with the U. S. District Court order & agreement.
Finally, I need to gently caution & remind folks that the Remeum is located on the glebe of the Pohick Church which is private property quite obviously. The church vestry and the warden-sexton take a very dim view of trespassing on the site of the Remeum for, well, shall we say, obvious reasons? Even after nearly 27 years since its being covered over for the last time, its still very much a hot-button with the church.
Thanks again for the all of the e-mails, please keep them coming. I also must thank the rather large Baha'i readership who have been following this thread and taking a rather keen interest in the story.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Service LLC
Washington D. C.
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
(202) 556-0877
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/05/2011 10:40PM by Brody Levesque.
Dear Folks,
As I previously have stated, my principal means of earning a living is as a journalist, freelancing for two major wire services, and as I'm certain you have all noted, there certainly hasn't been a lack of "news" to cover.
I have to admit, starting off with earthquakes, then a tsunami topped of with a nuclear disaster certainly was interesting. Then there was Tunisia, Egypt, and Yemen with a finishing touch of Libya and for added excitement a Royal wedding and this past weekend, the hunt for the world's most despised terrorist ended.
In between was Tea party fights, a budget crisis, politicos at each other's throats and I gotta tell you all, my days were VERY long indeed.
So, again, I apologise if I've been absent in posting here but I haven't had time to edit through all of your marvelous e-mails and leads that my staff and I are still chasing.
To the gentleperson who thought 1983 was not the correct date. [ 2ndhandinfo ] This is the date that I have been given by the church as well as an official with Shirley Contracting as to the final "cover-up" if you will, of the Remeum.
Now, as we perform due diligence on all aspects of this story, should that fact stand corrected, I will be more than happy to publish the verified date.
At this time, 1983 seems to match the available documentation as well as the oral history we've been collecting.
Dear Mr. Sculler, I need to thank you for your continuing support of my efforts along with everyone here who reads this thread and contributes. Especially those of you who have e-mailed with your personal stories which are bloody marvelous. Cheers for that eh?
Now, a brief update. We now have in our possession copies of the actual construction blueprints which I have sent to a friend who works with an architectural firm. I am hopeful that we will be able to "shrink" the blueprints down into manageable jpeg or png formats so that I can share them with you folks.
Also, apparently Admiral Wadleigh had left some journal entries and letters that pertain to his actions on behalf of Mason Remey regarding the reinterments of the family remains as well as Mrs. C. M. Remey. We are in contact with the source who has knowledge of these documents and I am hopeful that I will or my assistant will be able to view and duplicate them. This would especially be beneficial in identifying the contractor that installed the three cinderblock and dirt plugs at the time the Admiral moved the remains in compliance with the U. S. District Court order & agreement.
Finally, I need to gently caution & remind folks that the Remeum is located on the glebe of the Pohick Church which is private property quite obviously. The church vestry and the warden-sexton take a very dim view of trespassing on the site of the Remeum for, well, shall we say, obvious reasons? Even after nearly 27 years since its being covered over for the last time, its still very much a hot-button with the church.
Thanks again for the all of the e-mails, please keep them coming. I also must thank the rather large Baha'i readership who have been following this thread and taking a rather keen interest in the story.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Service LLC
Washington D. C.
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
(202) 556-0877
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/05/2011 10:40PM by Brody Levesque.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S
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Date: May 06, 2011 09:28PM
Charles Mason Remey intrigues me the more I study him. I found a scanned version of a book he wrote that included drawings for his suggestion of the first Baha'i Temple (Mashrek El Azkar) in the United States. He wrote this in 1920, about 17 years before he started building "The Crypts"...
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S
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Date: May 06, 2011 10:00PM
Here is another, earlier book Charles Mason Remey wrote concerning the first Baha'i Temple in The United States. It was written in 1917, and includes 9 different designs for the Temple (9 has a special meaning to the Baha'i, that's why there are 3 nines on Remey's empty sarcophagus in The Crypts). There are so many drawings and information, I included the entire book in PDF. The cornerstone was layed in 1912, in Wilmette, IL, near Chicago, and The Temple was finally finished in 1953.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ms ProVallone
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Date: May 17, 2011 06:35PM
I took this from a friend of mine's facebook page. I assume this was taken sometime in the early 80's.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S
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Date: May 18, 2011 11:27AM
Ms ProVallone...
Thanks for the picture, but someone already posted it on the first page of this thread. Do you have any other pictures that haven't been posted?
Thanks for the picture, but someone already posted it on the first page of this thread. Do you have any other pictures that haven't been posted?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S
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Date: June 02, 2011 04:38PM
Father and Mother of Charles Mason Remey, buried in Arlington Cemetery. Photo taken May 29, 2011.
REAR ADMIRAL
GEORGE COLLIER REMEY
UNITED STATES NAVY
1841-1928
MARY MASON REMEY
1845-1938
REMEY
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REAR ADMIRAL
GEORGE COLLIER REMEY
UNITED STATES NAVY
1841-1928
MARY MASON REMEY
1845-1938
REMEY
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S
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Date: June 02, 2011 04:43PM
Brother and Sister-In-Law of Charles Mason Remey, Arlinton Cemetery. Photo taken 5-29-2011.
JOHN TERRY REMEY
LIEUTENANT J.G. U.S.N.
JULY 9, 1890
NOVEMBER 9, 1960
HIS WIFE
MARGARET HOWARD REMEY
JULY 13, 1892
MARCH 28, 1974
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JOHN TERRY REMEY
LIEUTENANT J.G. U.S.N.
JULY 9, 1890
NOVEMBER 9, 1960
HIS WIFE
MARGARET HOWARD REMEY
JULY 13, 1892
MARCH 28, 1974
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S
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Date: June 02, 2011 04:48PM
Nephew of Charles Mason Remey, Arlington Cemetery. Photo taken 5-29-2011.
GEORGE REMEY
WADLEIGH
LIEUTENANT U.S.N.R.
1920-1950
He that soweth to the Spirit shall
of the Spirit reap life everlasting
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GEORGE REMEY
WADLEIGH
LIEUTENANT U.S.N.R.
1920-1950
He that soweth to the Spirit shall
of the Spirit reap life everlasting
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S
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Date: June 02, 2011 04:53PM
The 3 previous graves I posted of Charles Mason Remey's relatives buried in Arlington Cemetery are shown in perspective to one another. Photo taken May 29, 2011.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ut videam
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Date: June 02, 2011 04:54PM
Thanks for the pictures, but would it have killed you to scale them down?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S
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Date: June 02, 2011 05:06PM
This stone bench is located in the cemetery at Pohick Church. It is along the treeline at the bottom of the hill overlooking from a distance The Remeum.
Rumors to this day suggest that Charles Mason Remey may have killed his wife of 1 year, though the "official" cause is suicide. The inscription on the bench is telling, was Charles "rejoicing" or "sorrowing"...?
GREETING FROM THE BUILDER OF THE REMEUM
TO THOSE THAT SIT HERE REJOICING
TO THOSE THAT SIT HERE SORROWING
AS HE HIMSELF HS DONE IN DAYS PAST
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Rumors to this day suggest that Charles Mason Remey may have killed his wife of 1 year, though the "official" cause is suicide. The inscription on the bench is telling, was Charles "rejoicing" or "sorrowing"...?
GREETING FROM THE BUILDER OF THE REMEUM
TO THOSE THAT SIT HERE REJOICING
TO THOSE THAT SIT HERE SORROWING
AS HE HIMSELF HS DONE IN DAYS PAST
...
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S
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Date: June 02, 2011 05:22PM
This grave is located in the cemetery at Pohick Church. It is close to the treeline at the bottom of the hill overlooking from a distance The Remeum.
This is the grave of the wife of Charles Mason Remey. She was originally entombed in the Remeum, and hers is the only remains from the Remeum still located on the property.
Compared to many of the graves at Pohick, this headstone is not very substantial in thickness or quality. The engraving has an error in the roman numeral of her birth year (1388 instead of 1888). We had to pull the headstone up out of the ground to get the picture (we replaced it) because the last 2 lines were below ground level. There is no base for this headstone which is approximately 1-1/4" thick.
If you look at the second picture below, you will see the bench in the previous post. It is down the hill and approximately 20' to the right...
IN
AFFECTIONATE MEMORY
OF
MY WIFE
GERTRUDE HEIM REMEY
MCCCLXXXVIII-MCMXXXII
OUR MARRIAGE
WAS SOLEMNIZED IN
THE PRO CATHEDRAL CHURCH
OF
THE HOLY TRINITY
PARIS FRANCE
ON THE ELEVENTH DAY OF JULY
MCMXXXI
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This is the grave of the wife of Charles Mason Remey. She was originally entombed in the Remeum, and hers is the only remains from the Remeum still located on the property.
Compared to many of the graves at Pohick, this headstone is not very substantial in thickness or quality. The engraving has an error in the roman numeral of her birth year (1388 instead of 1888). We had to pull the headstone up out of the ground to get the picture (we replaced it) because the last 2 lines were below ground level. There is no base for this headstone which is approximately 1-1/4" thick.
If you look at the second picture below, you will see the bench in the previous post. It is down the hill and approximately 20' to the right...
IN
AFFECTIONATE MEMORY
OF
MY WIFE
GERTRUDE HEIM REMEY
MCCCLXXXVIII-MCMXXXII
OUR MARRIAGE
WAS SOLEMNIZED IN
THE PRO CATHEDRAL CHURCH
OF
THE HOLY TRINITY
PARIS FRANCE
ON THE ELEVENTH DAY OF JULY
MCMXXXI
...
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
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Date: June 03, 2011 12:01AM
WASHINGTON DC | JUNE 2ND
Dear Folks,
The pictures that Steve has provided need to be footnoted in terms of the very last two pictures he has provided.
The "headstone" actually was an engraved plaque that was embedded in the wall behind the head of the sarcophagus of Gertrude S. H. Remey in the wall inside her burial niche in the Remeum.
When the Admiral had her remains removed & reinterred in the Pohick glebe's burial yard, the workman pried the plaque off the wall & used it as a grave marker/headstone which is why it has the appearance that Steve noted.
The above bench which Steve photographed was originally located in the outer courtyard of the Remeum and was also relocated by the Admiral.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
P. S.
The research continues into the life & times of Charles Mason Remey which has turned out to be an absolutely spell binding tale. My abject apologies for not posting at least an occasional update folks.
Dear Folks,
The pictures that Steve has provided need to be footnoted in terms of the very last two pictures he has provided.
The "headstone" actually was an engraved plaque that was embedded in the wall behind the head of the sarcophagus of Gertrude S. H. Remey in the wall inside her burial niche in the Remeum.
When the Admiral had her remains removed & reinterred in the Pohick glebe's burial yard, the workman pried the plaque off the wall & used it as a grave marker/headstone which is why it has the appearance that Steve noted.
The above bench which Steve photographed was originally located in the outer courtyard of the Remeum and was also relocated by the Admiral.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
P. S.
The research continues into the life & times of Charles Mason Remey which has turned out to be an absolutely spell binding tale. My abject apologies for not posting at least an occasional update folks.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Wow people keep taking my names
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Date: June 03, 2011 11:38AM
This shit is kinda cool i wanna check it out!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
waldo
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Date: June 04, 2011 06:59PM
where is this place
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S
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Date: June 05, 2011 02:38PM
Brody,
Any explanation for the year 1388 being engraved on the plaque for Gertrude? Charles seemed to be pretty meticulous in his mausoleum and I don't find many misprints in his writings...
Any explanation for the year 1388 being engraved on the plaque for Gertrude? Charles seemed to be pretty meticulous in his mausoleum and I don't find many misprints in his writings...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
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Date: June 05, 2011 10:06PM
WASHINGTON DC | JUNE 5
Dear Steve,
Actually I have no explanation as there's nothing documented as far as the materials we've collected, the only plausible explanation is that it was an error on the part of the stone's engraver which possibly may have been overlooked or missed.
Interesting though.
Brody
Dear Steve,
Actually I have no explanation as there's nothing documented as far as the materials we've collected, the only plausible explanation is that it was an error on the part of the stone's engraver which possibly may have been overlooked or missed.
Interesting though.
Brody
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Will
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Date: June 10, 2011 12:18AM
You are mistaken regarding any likelihood that Remey could succeed Shoghi Effendi as head of the Baha'i Faith. The successor Guardian would have had to be a male offspring of Shoghi Effendi (he had no children and Mason Remey was not a descendant), have been so designated explicitly during Shoghi Effendi's lifetime (Shoghi Effendi designated no one to succeed him in the guardianship), and been confirmed by secret ballot of a majority of a body of nine Hands of the Cause of God (Shoghi Effendi never presented the name of a successor for such a confirmation to the Hands of the Cause of God). There are two institutions of the Baha'i Faith that are linked but may operate without the other being present: the Guardian and the Universal House of Justice. Shoghi Effendi designated the Body of the Hands of the Cause of God as chief stewards to carry forward his plans until the election of the Universal House of Justice in 1963. The Universal House of Justice is the head of the Baha'i Faith and Shoghi Effendi was the only Guardian. The 6 million members of the Baha'i community are faithful and correct in this. Mr. Remey was ego-filled and approaching senility in 1961 when he made his startling claims to be the "hereditary Guardian."
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Will
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Date: June 10, 2011 12:29AM
"Brain" mentioned that "maybe someday the Orthodox Baha'I [sic] will want to dig it up and reassemble it." This is doubtful. Remey's handful of followers split into competing factions after their excommunication from the Baha'i community. It is questionable that a couple dozen people who constitute that group would have the funds necessary. From a Baha'i perspective, the razing of the Remeum was the result of Remey's own self-importance, faithlessness and egotism. The Remeum is an interesting sidelight on a life that took bizarre turns as Remey aged, but it will likely remain a ruin and an example, like the monuments in the famed poem "Ozymandias."
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S
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Date: June 10, 2011 01:55AM
Will,
Does a mental illness like senility, and the actions it produces, give cause for excommunication from the Bahai faith? If so, that is sad that a mental illness is a justifiable prejudice of the Bahai. I am not really sure he was senile, considering he did so much the final 16 years of his life (1963-1974), but you stated he was...
Does a mental illness like senility, and the actions it produces, give cause for excommunication from the Bahai faith? If so, that is sad that a mental illness is a justifiable prejudice of the Bahai. I am not really sure he was senile, considering he did so much the final 16 years of his life (1963-1974), but you stated he was...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
brentp
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Date: June 10, 2011 02:40AM
Steve S -- just a thought, because I've read all of this literature, and have written about it extensively. Mr Remey was not an example of a senile man, whose conduct was excusable and understandable. That wasn't what happened, and the excommunication was not a hard-hearted measure by cold people. I've met 9 of the Hands and they were genuinely gentle and kind and humble people.
The only comparison I can give, without going into a whole lot of history and theology that is way beyond what the folks on this site are interested in -- is to say that it would be roughly comparable to one of the 12 Apostles of Christ saying to the Christian community, "Ignore the life's work and the words of the other 11 Apostles; ignore the New Testament; dismantle the entire Christian community, it's all off-base. Follow me, reject the others, I'm starting an entirely new religion." I won't bore you with the specifics, but for those who are interested in that topic, there's a letter here from Mr Remey that is what I'm talking about.
http://bahai-library.com/uhj/aqdas.expulsion-cbs.html It's near the bottom, where Mr Remey is talking about the "mistake" made by the Head of the Baha'i Faith, where Mr Remey talks about dismantling the entire life's work of the man he claims to be the hereditary successor to (an American claiming to be the hereditary successor to a man of Persian extraction born in the Holy Land 24 years after Mr Remey was.) Suffice it to say, it gets pretty crazy. And I won't discuss it further here. I have a website on the subject. I just want to clarify that one point -- Mr Remey was not kicked out because of understandable senility. It was far more calculating and potentially harmful than that.
Best regards
Brent
The only comparison I can give, without going into a whole lot of history and theology that is way beyond what the folks on this site are interested in -- is to say that it would be roughly comparable to one of the 12 Apostles of Christ saying to the Christian community, "Ignore the life's work and the words of the other 11 Apostles; ignore the New Testament; dismantle the entire Christian community, it's all off-base. Follow me, reject the others, I'm starting an entirely new religion." I won't bore you with the specifics, but for those who are interested in that topic, there's a letter here from Mr Remey that is what I'm talking about.
http://bahai-library.com/uhj/aqdas.expulsion-cbs.html It's near the bottom, where Mr Remey is talking about the "mistake" made by the Head of the Baha'i Faith, where Mr Remey talks about dismantling the entire life's work of the man he claims to be the hereditary successor to (an American claiming to be the hereditary successor to a man of Persian extraction born in the Holy Land 24 years after Mr Remey was.) Suffice it to say, it gets pretty crazy. And I won't discuss it further here. I have a website on the subject. I just want to clarify that one point -- Mr Remey was not kicked out because of understandable senility. It was far more calculating and potentially harmful than that.
Best regards
Brent
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S
()
Date: June 10, 2011 04:43PM
brentp,
I agree, however, Will implied that he was senile. I was just sarcastically pointing that out. I don't for one second believe Remey was senile. I understand a lot of the history concerning the Bahai. My interest in this is how it relates to the Remeum. Brody Levesque is researching all aspects of Remey's life, and would probably appreciate any first-person historical relationships with Remey.
Charles Mason Remey's claims of Guardian and whether they are right or wrong don't interest me, as I am not Bahai. The historical records and how they relate to the Remeum and Remey himself are what I am interested in. Historically, Remey was excommunicated and he continued to try to gain control. He was not successful, end of argument. I think battling on 2 fronts, saving the Remeum from Pohick church lawyaers and pursuing his Guardian claims, consumed most of his energy and all his money during the 1960's. It seems to help explain why he finally gave up on the Remeum in the late 60's...
I agree, however, Will implied that he was senile. I was just sarcastically pointing that out. I don't for one second believe Remey was senile. I understand a lot of the history concerning the Bahai. My interest in this is how it relates to the Remeum. Brody Levesque is researching all aspects of Remey's life, and would probably appreciate any first-person historical relationships with Remey.
Charles Mason Remey's claims of Guardian and whether they are right or wrong don't interest me, as I am not Bahai. The historical records and how they relate to the Remeum and Remey himself are what I am interested in. Historically, Remey was excommunicated and he continued to try to gain control. He was not successful, end of argument. I think battling on 2 fronts, saving the Remeum from Pohick church lawyaers and pursuing his Guardian claims, consumed most of his energy and all his money during the 1960's. It seems to help explain why he finally gave up on the Remeum in the late 60's...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Rod T.
()
Date: June 12, 2011 01:01PM
Like many others, I too invested several others reading this thread from the beginning to end. Having been down in the crypts I thought I would take a few minutes and recount my recollections and some thoughts on the subject.
Recollections
I attended JEB Stuart High School from 1978-1980 and guess that it would have been 1980 that I made my one and only trip into the crypts. Some friends and I were hanging out when one asked if we wanted to go to the crypts. We all (about 4 of us) said "Yes" and so we went. Once we arrived, our guide admonished us to be quiet as we snuck past the groundskeepers house through the woods. We went up an incline and through the entrance that can be seen in one of the photos that was posted earlier. And, like the two guys in the photo, had to descend onto a ledge and the step down from there. The room itself was totally dark, damp and littered with beer cans, trash and mounds of candle wax. What struck me was just how small the pieces of marble had been smashed into. I remember hoping to find some "souvenir" of the trip such as a marble finger, foot, hand or even a piece with some discernable writing on it, but as I said, all of the marble was smashed to smithereens. It was strange, because the pieces were so small that it was unlikely that someone would have kept throwing the pieces and busting them on the floor, rather it looked like someone had been down there with a hammer and like a convict breaking rocks, just kept pounding away. I remember basically two confined rooms. The first one that you were in when you entered, and the second that contained Remey's sarcophagus. Here is where it gets weird, as smashed as everything else was, I remember the sarcophagus itself being undamaged. I believe that it was some sort of brown stone. Granite maybe? The top was centered on the base and the four us tried to move it but were unable. We hung out down there for a while until another group of kids came down. To be honest, I hadn't really been scared to this point, I guess because I had been in several abandoned houses as a younger kid, but when those other teens came down there after us, that's when I became nervous. There was a lot of school rivalry at that time and Falls Church High was Stuart High's arch enemy. On top of that, our guide had told us that the pagans had partied down there and of course the thought that it could be one of them crossed my mind. After a short period of apprehension though, we eventually did our thing and the other group did theirs without incident. As far as the cops were concerned, it was pretty evident that none of them would actually try to come down inside, rather it was when you were leaving that you were most vulnerable.
Thoughts
1. Has anyone tried to contact the caretaker whom I believe was affectionately called "Stumpy"? An interview with that guy would be priceless. Some have described him as a nice guy with a pair of friendly golden retrievers who gave them a flashlight and ordered his young daughter to give a tour of the site. Others say he was angry, missing his legs, had attack dogs and had shot someone in the butt with rock salt. I lean more towards the former. I mean really, would the church allow him to shoot at kids with rock salt but be worried about liability of continuing to keep the crypts open? Sure, he aims for the butt, but at the last minute the kid turns around and has an eye and half his face shot off. No, I think he was just a poor guy with a thankless and hopeless job probably as scared of us kids (and Pagans) as we were of him. I think the shotgun and rock salt was a rumor made up to scare you like saltpeter at summer camp or the mysterious red dye that would activate only when you urinated in the swimming pool. Would the Fairfax police allow him to shoot at kids? Also, if he only had stumps, you could easily outrun him, unlike the tall man from Phantasm.
2. Speaking of the police, was anyone ever actually arrested at the crypts? When I was there, I was told that the police frequented the place, but we saw none. It would have been ridiculously easy for them to catch folks.
3. The amount of traffic that this place must have seen at its height had to be extraordinary. I had been told kids from Maryland would drive to Virginia for a night to party at the crypts. Remember, the one night that we went, we were met by another party. There must have been thousands that have been down into the crypts. School age kids cannot keep anything secret. By the time I let JEB Stuart, most of my friends had either been there or knew about it. Multiply that times 20 or so high schools. In fact, I bet Stumpy just gave up towards the end. And kids who are in a group who have been drinking and partying are notoriously LOUD. Keeping your voice down was a sign of respect towards Stumpy, not stealth. With that many kids coming in and out, on Halloween, if he had to go out, he could have left his bowl of candy by the entrance to the crypts with a sign that said "Please, only take one!"
4. I would love to know what happened to the head of the statue that was knocked off. I imagine that it could have ended up in some stoners basement who used it to burn candles on, or, might it have been thrown through the window of the principals car on the last day of school. It has to be somewhere! Whoever painted those statues with glow-in-the-dark paint is genius! That was the "golden age" of the crypts before everything just got smashed.
5. Does any of the church administration or it's congregation have any pictures I would think that the church administration would have extensively photo-documented the construction of such a large project on their property.
6. For those who want to unearth the crypts, unless you can be certain that there were additional rooms that were untouched, all you will find is rusty 80' beer cans and smashed marble. There is though, at least when I was there, Remey's sarcophagus. Anyone care to venture a guess as to what the market value of that thing would be if it were undamaged?
I guess the bottom line for me is that thanks to this board, I now know more about Charles Remey than I did when I was down in his crypt. Maybe we should have recommended that they bury Bin Laden down there. That would scare people off.
Recollections
I attended JEB Stuart High School from 1978-1980 and guess that it would have been 1980 that I made my one and only trip into the crypts. Some friends and I were hanging out when one asked if we wanted to go to the crypts. We all (about 4 of us) said "Yes" and so we went. Once we arrived, our guide admonished us to be quiet as we snuck past the groundskeepers house through the woods. We went up an incline and through the entrance that can be seen in one of the photos that was posted earlier. And, like the two guys in the photo, had to descend onto a ledge and the step down from there. The room itself was totally dark, damp and littered with beer cans, trash and mounds of candle wax. What struck me was just how small the pieces of marble had been smashed into. I remember hoping to find some "souvenir" of the trip such as a marble finger, foot, hand or even a piece with some discernable writing on it, but as I said, all of the marble was smashed to smithereens. It was strange, because the pieces were so small that it was unlikely that someone would have kept throwing the pieces and busting them on the floor, rather it looked like someone had been down there with a hammer and like a convict breaking rocks, just kept pounding away. I remember basically two confined rooms. The first one that you were in when you entered, and the second that contained Remey's sarcophagus. Here is where it gets weird, as smashed as everything else was, I remember the sarcophagus itself being undamaged. I believe that it was some sort of brown stone. Granite maybe? The top was centered on the base and the four us tried to move it but were unable. We hung out down there for a while until another group of kids came down. To be honest, I hadn't really been scared to this point, I guess because I had been in several abandoned houses as a younger kid, but when those other teens came down there after us, that's when I became nervous. There was a lot of school rivalry at that time and Falls Church High was Stuart High's arch enemy. On top of that, our guide had told us that the pagans had partied down there and of course the thought that it could be one of them crossed my mind. After a short period of apprehension though, we eventually did our thing and the other group did theirs without incident. As far as the cops were concerned, it was pretty evident that none of them would actually try to come down inside, rather it was when you were leaving that you were most vulnerable.
Thoughts
1. Has anyone tried to contact the caretaker whom I believe was affectionately called "Stumpy"? An interview with that guy would be priceless. Some have described him as a nice guy with a pair of friendly golden retrievers who gave them a flashlight and ordered his young daughter to give a tour of the site. Others say he was angry, missing his legs, had attack dogs and had shot someone in the butt with rock salt. I lean more towards the former. I mean really, would the church allow him to shoot at kids with rock salt but be worried about liability of continuing to keep the crypts open? Sure, he aims for the butt, but at the last minute the kid turns around and has an eye and half his face shot off. No, I think he was just a poor guy with a thankless and hopeless job probably as scared of us kids (and Pagans) as we were of him. I think the shotgun and rock salt was a rumor made up to scare you like saltpeter at summer camp or the mysterious red dye that would activate only when you urinated in the swimming pool. Would the Fairfax police allow him to shoot at kids? Also, if he only had stumps, you could easily outrun him, unlike the tall man from Phantasm.
2. Speaking of the police, was anyone ever actually arrested at the crypts? When I was there, I was told that the police frequented the place, but we saw none. It would have been ridiculously easy for them to catch folks.
3. The amount of traffic that this place must have seen at its height had to be extraordinary. I had been told kids from Maryland would drive to Virginia for a night to party at the crypts. Remember, the one night that we went, we were met by another party. There must have been thousands that have been down into the crypts. School age kids cannot keep anything secret. By the time I let JEB Stuart, most of my friends had either been there or knew about it. Multiply that times 20 or so high schools. In fact, I bet Stumpy just gave up towards the end. And kids who are in a group who have been drinking and partying are notoriously LOUD. Keeping your voice down was a sign of respect towards Stumpy, not stealth. With that many kids coming in and out, on Halloween, if he had to go out, he could have left his bowl of candy by the entrance to the crypts with a sign that said "Please, only take one!"
4. I would love to know what happened to the head of the statue that was knocked off. I imagine that it could have ended up in some stoners basement who used it to burn candles on, or, might it have been thrown through the window of the principals car on the last day of school. It has to be somewhere! Whoever painted those statues with glow-in-the-dark paint is genius! That was the "golden age" of the crypts before everything just got smashed.
5. Does any of the church administration or it's congregation have any pictures I would think that the church administration would have extensively photo-documented the construction of such a large project on their property.
6. For those who want to unearth the crypts, unless you can be certain that there were additional rooms that were untouched, all you will find is rusty 80' beer cans and smashed marble. There is though, at least when I was there, Remey's sarcophagus. Anyone care to venture a guess as to what the market value of that thing would be if it were undamaged?
I guess the bottom line for me is that thanks to this board, I now know more about Charles Remey than I did when I was down in his crypt. Maybe we should have recommended that they bury Bin Laden down there. That would scare people off.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Demetrios T
()
Date: June 13, 2011 03:22AM
Hi everyone, and thanks for this board! I am the younger brother of Rod, up above me, and I was waiting for him to post his thoughts and story before I posted mine.
I remember as though it were yesterday, being asked if I wanted to go to the crypts one night. I had heard from my brother that he went and he told me when he came back all what he saw. One thing he didn't mention in his story, which I distinctly remember him saying was a frieze depicting the battle of the Monitor and the Merrimac. Someone else confirmed this as well shortly thereafter. I think it was one of the friends he went with. Another guy who went down there, possibly with my brother, told me there was a "battleship" statue. I am not sure how much was made up or they had seen earlier or if it was their imagination. But I distinctly remember One of the people saying that there were statues, and beautiful artwork and motifs of the civil war. I am sure they must have seen something because they wanted to take me, my brother had went. and of course they wanted to go back. TO MY LIFES' REGRET, I didn't ever go. SURE, I did WANT to go, but I had heard stories of people smoking pot down there and among the many things I have done, I never smoked pot and didn't want to be around that. As a young kid, I am three years younger than my brother, and I was 13 in 1980, and couldn't abide stoners so I always just refused to go. If I could change anything in my life, that would be in the top 5!!! I don't care what would be down there now, a thugs' crack house, a Chinese opium den, or a middle eastern hash-house, I would go through fire and water to visit it now! And for the record, let me state, that if anyone gets close to breaking in, LET ME KNOW and I will risk being arrested to at least see once what is down there, even if it is just broken marble and an old empty sarcaphagus. I am adjusted well enough in life to be able to afford the fine and would happily pay my court fees and have a permanent record as a criminal that went into the crypts. Dammit, I missed out on part of my past that I shouldn't have, and I would love one day to get down there!
I did drive by not to long ago and took some pictures of thr tombstone of Gertrude Remey that I was going to post, but I see someone beat me to it. I think I will wait till fall to get my tresspass on and go look at the column and the vents, when the ticks are gone and the leaves are off the trees. and more importantly, no poison ivy since I almost always get it. I did come across something interesting when I went. I went up Tangerine street, behind the crypts and where it dead ends into Treasure Oak street, is a wooden fence with a sign on it. A truck was parked blocking the sign, but I managed to get a pic. I think it might foreshadwo things to come. It says "future public street connector" The road is sahped to begin what looks like a cross-street to add more housing. Now here is the weird part. If you were to look at a map on sattelite view, you can see it and it clearly will, if built straight for a little bit, go OVER the crypts! Every cloud has its silver lining; if they build this I don't see how they can without doing excavation, or testing to see if the crypts will collapse under new houses, or any other number of problems with building house obver crypts. The silver lining? We get to finnally get down there! AS LONG as we don't let then start construction without being kept abreast of it. If they do it all in secret we will get screwed! But if we keep a close eye, maybe we can force them to report the crypts to the paper to have them cover the "re-opening" of the crypts, if even just to rebury them! I will attach a copy of the picture to this entry.
Now for some of my thoughts.
The rock salt gun has to be BS. For this simple reason alone. I was interested in researching rock salt guns, and the general consensus is that they are urban legend BS. Do a simple google search or check out you-tubee of the people who have tried to build them or fill shells with rocks salt and see the rseults. These are gun enthusiasts who are very kjnowledgeable and they all seem to say that rock salt just doesnt work in guns. there are tons of websites that all give scientific thinking into why they are all just BS. I am inclined to believe it. I never met anyone who has one, and I know a lot of people who own guns, and they all say it's BS. Add that to my brothers point that "Stumpy" would be in alot of trouble for potetntially maiming and blinding kids. IF he had ANY type of a shotgun, birdshot maybe, but never rocksalt.
I love the pictures with the kids on this site holding the long grey flashlights. You could get those at Radioshack for 99 cents back in the day, (I think a way to then get you to buy 4 D cell batteries for it). I went through two of those because the batteries made them very heavy to a kid and your first inclination then was to start swinging it like a bat. I hit someone with one and it broke, cheaply made, and the other one I picked up by the lamp end and moved it too quickly and the weight of the D cells just made it snap. What I would have given for a Mag Lite! I would still have a flashlight and the person I had hit would have been knocked unconscious rather than just laugh at me!
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Whoever had that freaking awesome idea of puting a camera on a string and dropping it into the airshafts, DO IT!! I think it could tell us a lot.
Keep the blog alive! And let's be there when they do their " building studies'!!
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I remember as though it were yesterday, being asked if I wanted to go to the crypts one night. I had heard from my brother that he went and he told me when he came back all what he saw. One thing he didn't mention in his story, which I distinctly remember him saying was a frieze depicting the battle of the Monitor and the Merrimac. Someone else confirmed this as well shortly thereafter. I think it was one of the friends he went with. Another guy who went down there, possibly with my brother, told me there was a "battleship" statue. I am not sure how much was made up or they had seen earlier or if it was their imagination. But I distinctly remember One of the people saying that there were statues, and beautiful artwork and motifs of the civil war. I am sure they must have seen something because they wanted to take me, my brother had went. and of course they wanted to go back. TO MY LIFES' REGRET, I didn't ever go. SURE, I did WANT to go, but I had heard stories of people smoking pot down there and among the many things I have done, I never smoked pot and didn't want to be around that. As a young kid, I am three years younger than my brother, and I was 13 in 1980, and couldn't abide stoners so I always just refused to go. If I could change anything in my life, that would be in the top 5!!! I don't care what would be down there now, a thugs' crack house, a Chinese opium den, or a middle eastern hash-house, I would go through fire and water to visit it now! And for the record, let me state, that if anyone gets close to breaking in, LET ME KNOW and I will risk being arrested to at least see once what is down there, even if it is just broken marble and an old empty sarcaphagus. I am adjusted well enough in life to be able to afford the fine and would happily pay my court fees and have a permanent record as a criminal that went into the crypts. Dammit, I missed out on part of my past that I shouldn't have, and I would love one day to get down there!
I did drive by not to long ago and took some pictures of thr tombstone of Gertrude Remey that I was going to post, but I see someone beat me to it. I think I will wait till fall to get my tresspass on and go look at the column and the vents, when the ticks are gone and the leaves are off the trees. and more importantly, no poison ivy since I almost always get it. I did come across something interesting when I went. I went up Tangerine street, behind the crypts and where it dead ends into Treasure Oak street, is a wooden fence with a sign on it. A truck was parked blocking the sign, but I managed to get a pic. I think it might foreshadwo things to come. It says "future public street connector" The road is sahped to begin what looks like a cross-street to add more housing. Now here is the weird part. If you were to look at a map on sattelite view, you can see it and it clearly will, if built straight for a little bit, go OVER the crypts! Every cloud has its silver lining; if they build this I don't see how they can without doing excavation, or testing to see if the crypts will collapse under new houses, or any other number of problems with building house obver crypts. The silver lining? We get to finnally get down there! AS LONG as we don't let then start construction without being kept abreast of it. If they do it all in secret we will get screwed! But if we keep a close eye, maybe we can force them to report the crypts to the paper to have them cover the "re-opening" of the crypts, if even just to rebury them! I will attach a copy of the picture to this entry.
Now for some of my thoughts.
The rock salt gun has to be BS. For this simple reason alone. I was interested in researching rock salt guns, and the general consensus is that they are urban legend BS. Do a simple google search or check out you-tubee of the people who have tried to build them or fill shells with rocks salt and see the rseults. These are gun enthusiasts who are very kjnowledgeable and they all seem to say that rock salt just doesnt work in guns. there are tons of websites that all give scientific thinking into why they are all just BS. I am inclined to believe it. I never met anyone who has one, and I know a lot of people who own guns, and they all say it's BS. Add that to my brothers point that "Stumpy" would be in alot of trouble for potetntially maiming and blinding kids. IF he had ANY type of a shotgun, birdshot maybe, but never rocksalt.
I love the pictures with the kids on this site holding the long grey flashlights. You could get those at Radioshack for 99 cents back in the day, (I think a way to then get you to buy 4 D cell batteries for it). I went through two of those because the batteries made them very heavy to a kid and your first inclination then was to start swinging it like a bat. I hit someone with one and it broke, cheaply made, and the other one I picked up by the lamp end and moved it too quickly and the weight of the D cells just made it snap. What I would have given for a Mag Lite! I would still have a flashlight and the person I had hit would have been knocked unconscious rather than just laugh at me!
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Whoever had that freaking awesome idea of puting a camera on a string and dropping it into the airshafts, DO IT!! I think it could tell us a lot.
Keep the blog alive! And let's be there when they do their " building studies'!!
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: June 13, 2011 07:47AM
Rod,
I like your idea of trying to see if the Church or someone in the congregation has some old photos of the Crypts. However, I feel like you would really be taking a chance if you were to ask the wrong person. As someone has mentioned before, the Crypts are a pretty sore subject for the Church, so if you were to ask the wrong person (and there's a pretty good chance that anyone there is gonna be the "wrong" person to ask) it could prove to be another set back for further exploration. But don't get me wrong, I do like your idea, because I think it's very likely that someone there does have some good pictures. The problem is finding that person amongst all the ones that would shut you down.
I like your idea of trying to see if the Church or someone in the congregation has some old photos of the Crypts. However, I feel like you would really be taking a chance if you were to ask the wrong person. As someone has mentioned before, the Crypts are a pretty sore subject for the Church, so if you were to ask the wrong person (and there's a pretty good chance that anyone there is gonna be the "wrong" person to ask) it could prove to be another set back for further exploration. But don't get me wrong, I do like your idea, because I think it's very likely that someone there does have some good pictures. The problem is finding that person amongst all the ones that would shut you down.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: June 14, 2011 02:43AM
WASHINGTON DC JUNE 14 |
Dear Folks,
As you can see from the Baha'i discussion above, Mason Remey after all these years is still a lighting rod topic for the Baha'i.
Aside from his story is the Remeum itself and quite frankly, there are other aspects of its story that are even more fascinating than one might imagine given the nature of its intended purpose.
I want to thank Demetrios T & his older brother Rod T for their contributions to this neverending tale.
Additionally, I have been in touch with the Fairfax County Planning & Zoning Commission to inquire if a right-of-way easement and development easement along with an application for development along with necessary permits have been issued for that section of the glebe of the church. As soon as I get their response I'll be sure to inform you folks.
The one thing that is very fascinating is Remey- A point that even the Baha'i tend to overlook. He was, in so many ways, a prism that one could metaphorically hold up to the light and end up being dazzled in a veritable rainbow of colours.
What is generally not understood by even today's Baha'i leadership was Mason Remey's contributions on numerous fields.
A small example- During the Second War, Mason dealt directly with British Spymaster Sir William Stephenson, the Canadian who ran MI6 operations in the western hemisphere and worked in concert with not only FBI Chief Edgar Hoover, but the head of the American Intelligence organisation, the OSS's William Donovan.
Research shows that Hoover, Donovan, and on several occasions Sir Stephenson were dinner guests at Mason Remey's Massachusetts Avenue mansion. Remey it turns out, had gone to these men to get assistance in getting Baha'i faithful out of Nazi occupied Europe. More interesting, was Remey's connection to Alan Dulles who later went to bat for the Baha'i faith with Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, to secure the Baha'i property and holy sites when the state of Israel was being created. This again, at the request of Mason Remey,
So, as you can see, there is so much more to this story and it is truly an epic tale. From the kids who partied in the Remeum to the controversial life of its builder.
Tales from the Crypt? Tacky to be certain, but justified.
I look forward to more stories and by all means, please, please, keep those marvelous e-mails coming. My sincere gratitude to all of you who have written and continue to express an interest in this absolutely marvelous story.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
202 556 0877
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Dear Folks,
As you can see from the Baha'i discussion above, Mason Remey after all these years is still a lighting rod topic for the Baha'i.
Aside from his story is the Remeum itself and quite frankly, there are other aspects of its story that are even more fascinating than one might imagine given the nature of its intended purpose.
I want to thank Demetrios T & his older brother Rod T for their contributions to this neverending tale.
Additionally, I have been in touch with the Fairfax County Planning & Zoning Commission to inquire if a right-of-way easement and development easement along with an application for development along with necessary permits have been issued for that section of the glebe of the church. As soon as I get their response I'll be sure to inform you folks.
The one thing that is very fascinating is Remey- A point that even the Baha'i tend to overlook. He was, in so many ways, a prism that one could metaphorically hold up to the light and end up being dazzled in a veritable rainbow of colours.
What is generally not understood by even today's Baha'i leadership was Mason Remey's contributions on numerous fields.
A small example- During the Second War, Mason dealt directly with British Spymaster Sir William Stephenson, the Canadian who ran MI6 operations in the western hemisphere and worked in concert with not only FBI Chief Edgar Hoover, but the head of the American Intelligence organisation, the OSS's William Donovan.
Research shows that Hoover, Donovan, and on several occasions Sir Stephenson were dinner guests at Mason Remey's Massachusetts Avenue mansion. Remey it turns out, had gone to these men to get assistance in getting Baha'i faithful out of Nazi occupied Europe. More interesting, was Remey's connection to Alan Dulles who later went to bat for the Baha'i faith with Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, to secure the Baha'i property and holy sites when the state of Israel was being created. This again, at the request of Mason Remey,
So, as you can see, there is so much more to this story and it is truly an epic tale. From the kids who partied in the Remeum to the controversial life of its builder.
Tales from the Crypt? Tacky to be certain, but justified.
I look forward to more stories and by all means, please, please, keep those marvelous e-mails coming. My sincere gratitude to all of you who have written and continue to express an interest in this absolutely marvelous story.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
202 556 0877
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
assbeef
()
Date: June 15, 2011 04:50PM
hmmmn-a few of my beer cans may still be down there eh?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Spelunker
()
Date: June 16, 2011 10:47AM
Anyone interested in going to people and the places we've discussed and try to learn more and possiply find whats behind that wall via. pictures or better yet, go into the crypts? Screw the laws, lets starts diggin! Who's with me?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K.Fernandes
()
Date: June 24, 2011 05:50PM
I started going to Crypts in 68 was turned on to it by friend,it was all intack then the big iron gates where chained and to get into the tomb we has to go down a rope tied off at top easy down but hard to get out.There where no remains in there at this time you could use mirrow and flash light to look in the big tomes in back right and left they had put blocks into keep lid open for some reason,they where empty inside.you could look down vents and see inside tomb at that time.there was know damage to outside or tomb at this time although later they tryed to fill in tome with bunch of dirt and block but you could still get in by climing over top.there was a back part but was blocked up.Spent many nights there Kd out was a really kool place to go.I even have one of the 5 point stars w/twisted circle attched to it almost like a door knocker have had it sence 68.I lived and grew up in Falls Church till 75 then moved sure has changed there.so can any one tell me is the place still there or covered up now?Just thought I would give my experince with The Crypts for others who are intersted in that kool place.Later....
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brain
()
Date: June 26, 2011 07:17PM
Will Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "Brain" mentioned that "maybe someday the Orthodox
> Baha'I will want to dig it up and reassemble it."
> This is doubtful. Remey's handful of followers
> split into competing factions after their
> excommunication from the Baha'i community. It is
> questionable that a couple dozen people who
> constitute that group would have the funds
> necessary. From a Baha'i perspective, the razing
> of the Remeum was the result of Remey's own
> self-importance, faithlessness and egotism. The
> Remeum is an interesting sidelight on a life that
> took bizarre turns as Remey aged, but it will
> likely remain a ruin and an example, like the
> monuments in the famed poem "Ozymandias."
I mentioned the possibility of future orthodox Baha'i rebuilding the Remeum kind of with a smile. Realistically? probably not,lol. It's obvious the old spiritual leaders of the Baha'i were not perfect and could not see into the future - they were human. Remey did so much for the Baha'i cause. And a few still believe he was the rightful successor for a number of reasons it seems. Much of the apprehension around revisiting Remeys claims by mainstream Baha'i comes from the fear of being excommunicated - like Remey.
I'm always curious about the perceived underdog in a story, in this case Remey. Maybe it was all about who would get the "power". Remey was as tight as anybody with Shoghi Effendi, and he seemed to be singled out for playing an important role in the future of the faith. I'm curious now about why Remey and a few others thought he was the successor. People generally laugh at absurdity, but the to the Baha'i Mason Remey is still no laughing matter. The fear of excommunication is keeping individual Baha'i from engaging in a serious re-examination of the man. Remey still wields a strange power -even after all these years,lol.
I want to know more about the Remeum as a cultural mystery and phenomenon.
I love this whole discussion, thanks to everyone who has contributed.
J.Brain
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> "Brain" mentioned that "maybe someday the Orthodox
> Baha'I will want to dig it up and reassemble it."
> This is doubtful. Remey's handful of followers
> split into competing factions after their
> excommunication from the Baha'i community. It is
> questionable that a couple dozen people who
> constitute that group would have the funds
> necessary. From a Baha'i perspective, the razing
> of the Remeum was the result of Remey's own
> self-importance, faithlessness and egotism. The
> Remeum is an interesting sidelight on a life that
> took bizarre turns as Remey aged, but it will
> likely remain a ruin and an example, like the
> monuments in the famed poem "Ozymandias."
I mentioned the possibility of future orthodox Baha'i rebuilding the Remeum kind of with a smile. Realistically? probably not,lol. It's obvious the old spiritual leaders of the Baha'i were not perfect and could not see into the future - they were human. Remey did so much for the Baha'i cause. And a few still believe he was the rightful successor for a number of reasons it seems. Much of the apprehension around revisiting Remeys claims by mainstream Baha'i comes from the fear of being excommunicated - like Remey.
I'm always curious about the perceived underdog in a story, in this case Remey. Maybe it was all about who would get the "power". Remey was as tight as anybody with Shoghi Effendi, and he seemed to be singled out for playing an important role in the future of the faith. I'm curious now about why Remey and a few others thought he was the successor. People generally laugh at absurdity, but the to the Baha'i Mason Remey is still no laughing matter. The fear of excommunication is keeping individual Baha'i from engaging in a serious re-examination of the man. Remey still wields a strange power -even after all these years,lol.
I want to know more about the Remeum as a cultural mystery and phenomenon.
I love this whole discussion, thanks to everyone who has contributed.
J.Brain
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
wnrsm
()
Date: June 26, 2011 11:13PM
Ditto. Awesome contributions!
Too bad that it will probably never be unearthed - and would probably be a vandalized mess if it were.
There aren't nearly enough haunted houses anymore to start ghost/freakout stories for today's youth :)
Too bad that it will probably never be unearthed - and would probably be a vandalized mess if it were.
There aren't nearly enough haunted houses anymore to start ghost/freakout stories for today's youth :)
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
wnrsm
()
Date: June 26, 2011 11:30PM
K.Fernandes Wrote:
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> I started going to Crypts in 68 was turned on to
> it by friend,it was all intack then the big iron
> gates where chained and to get into the tomb we
> has to go down a rope tied off at top easy down
> but hard to get out.There where no remains in
> there at this time you could use mirrow and flash
> light to look in the big tomes in back right and
> left they had put blocks into keep lid open for
> some reason,they where empty inside.you could look
> down vents and see inside tomb at that time.there
> was know damage to outside or tomb at this time
> although later they tryed to fill in tome with
> bunch of dirt and block but you could still get in
> by climing over top.there was a back part but was
> blocked up.Spent many nights there Kd out was a
> really kool place to go.I even have one of the 5
> point stars w/twisted circle attched to it almost
> like a door knocker have had it sence 68.I lived
> and grew up in Falls Church till 75 then moved
> sure has changed there.so can any one tell me is
> the place still there or covered up now?Just
> thought I would give my experince with The Crypts
> for others who are intersted in that kool
> place.Later....
It is all covered in the previous five pages of posts - definitely worth reading.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I started going to Crypts in 68 was turned on to
> it by friend,it was all intack then the big iron
> gates where chained and to get into the tomb we
> has to go down a rope tied off at top easy down
> but hard to get out.There where no remains in
> there at this time you could use mirrow and flash
> light to look in the big tomes in back right and
> left they had put blocks into keep lid open for
> some reason,they where empty inside.you could look
> down vents and see inside tomb at that time.there
> was know damage to outside or tomb at this time
> although later they tryed to fill in tome with
> bunch of dirt and block but you could still get in
> by climing over top.there was a back part but was
> blocked up.Spent many nights there Kd out was a
> really kool place to go.I even have one of the 5
> point stars w/twisted circle attched to it almost
> like a door knocker have had it sence 68.I lived
> and grew up in Falls Church till 75 then moved
> sure has changed there.so can any one tell me is
> the place still there or covered up now?Just
> thought I would give my experince with The Crypts
> for others who are intersted in that kool
> place.Later....
It is all covered in the previous five pages of posts - definitely worth reading.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K.Fernandes
()
Date: June 28, 2011 01:15PM
I just wonder how many of the people who chat on here really saw the Crypt befor it was vandalized? When I first went it was not to bad just lots of beer cans and glass,Remey and his wife where still conplet the door to tomb where still up again we had to go down a rope to get into crypt.The walls where all up we use to walk all the way around the top from tomb back .Those walls where at least 20 feet high on far end and most of the time we where stoned man to think of this what if we fell off!!!!It was the koolest placeI have ever been and it a shame it wasnt preserved for history.I really enjoy reading everones in put it brings back good mems.Im just glad I was able to see it befor it got really trashed.I have some pics Im trying to find when I went there because they show the intackness also the back wall befor it was blocked up,if I find ill post.Later......
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Demetrios T
()
Date: July 01, 2011 03:04PM
Spelunker, see my post, I am all for getting down in there! Like I said, I will take the hit and pay my fine/court costs resulting IF I get arrested!
WNSRN, see my post, again, if they build a road there, they will HAVE to dig it up. Hopefully Brody is able to find out if there will be any construction forthcoming. and secondly, it might not all be a vandalized mess. Remember, they cinderblocked up the back part of it early on.
K Fernandes, even if you cant find any pictures, can you take some of your "door knocker" for us?
WNSRN, see my post, again, if they build a road there, they will HAVE to dig it up. Hopefully Brody is able to find out if there will be any construction forthcoming. and secondly, it might not all be a vandalized mess. Remember, they cinderblocked up the back part of it early on.
K Fernandes, even if you cant find any pictures, can you take some of your "door knocker" for us?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Spacy
()
Date: July 01, 2011 05:01PM
Demetrios T Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Spelunker, see my post, I am all for getting down
> in there! Like I said, I will take the hit and pay
> my fine/court costs resulting IF I get arrested!
Probably these are the relevant statutes, so you could be looking at multiple charges -- Class 1, Class 3, and Class 4 misdemeanors:
§ 18.2-119
§ 18.2-120
§ 18.2-121
§ 18.2-125
§ 18.2-127
§ 18.2-128
§ 18.2-137
I don't know much about criminal law or how sentences get added up, but for a single Class 1 charge, one count, you would be facing 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine. If they got you on all of them, it would be several years and around $8,000.
There might be other criminal charges I haven't considered. I'm not any kind of expert on this.
Any vehicles and property you bring to the site will probably be lost.
There could also be civil actions, such as having to pay construction crews to restore the grounds to the condition they say they were in, and conduct safety inspections, etc., before you started your little projects.
Also, be sure to save up your nickels for paying your lawyer and stuff!
Have fun!
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/01/2011 05:04PM by Spacy.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Spelunker, see my post, I am all for getting down
> in there! Like I said, I will take the hit and pay
> my fine/court costs resulting IF I get arrested!
Probably these are the relevant statutes, so you could be looking at multiple charges -- Class 1, Class 3, and Class 4 misdemeanors:
§ 18.2-119
§ 18.2-120
§ 18.2-121
§ 18.2-125
§ 18.2-127
§ 18.2-128
§ 18.2-137
I don't know much about criminal law or how sentences get added up, but for a single Class 1 charge, one count, you would be facing 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine. If they got you on all of them, it would be several years and around $8,000.
There might be other criminal charges I haven't considered. I'm not any kind of expert on this.
Any vehicles and property you bring to the site will probably be lost.
There could also be civil actions, such as having to pay construction crews to restore the grounds to the condition they say they were in, and conduct safety inspections, etc., before you started your little projects.
Also, be sure to save up your nickels for paying your lawyer and stuff!
Have fun!
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/01/2011 05:04PM by Spacy.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
LifeNoob
()
Date: July 02, 2011 10:35AM
Hey all, I just spent the last 2 hours reading through a significant part of this thread. Let me first of all just say that as an 18-year old recent high school graduate, the stories that the 40-somethings have told about the parties they used to have down there are insane! I cannot tell you how pissed I am that my friends and I never had a similar place to hang out at.
Anyway, I have a couple of practical points to raise:
1) Has anybody tried contacting "Stumpy?" What about investigating to see if there are any leads at his old property?
2) If police reports about vandalism were filed, surely there would have to have been some official, high quality photographs taken of the damage done to the crypt before it was demolished--especially if it was truly a former Pagan hang-out. I would be surprised if numerous photos of the entrance-area and first floor (where it sounds like most of the partying and vandalism took place) are not simply on file at some Fairfax County police station.
3) I may have missed it as I was skimming through the thread, but has anybody established the purpose/nature of the vents that are located near the site? I know there are various members of this thread who have gone out there to take photos and whatnot, so I'm sure someone would have discovered the depth of the shafts and the amount of access they give to the various levels of the tomb.
4) This may sound somewhat Indiana-Jones-Fan-Boyish, but has anyone considered that there may have been "secret" areas within the crypt? Remey sounds like kind of a shady guy, so it seems probable that artifacts/information/etc. could easily just be hidden away within unknown chambers that have yet to be discovered.
Anyway, I have a couple of practical points to raise:
1) Has anybody tried contacting "Stumpy?" What about investigating to see if there are any leads at his old property?
2) If police reports about vandalism were filed, surely there would have to have been some official, high quality photographs taken of the damage done to the crypt before it was demolished--especially if it was truly a former Pagan hang-out. I would be surprised if numerous photos of the entrance-area and first floor (where it sounds like most of the partying and vandalism took place) are not simply on file at some Fairfax County police station.
3) I may have missed it as I was skimming through the thread, but has anybody established the purpose/nature of the vents that are located near the site? I know there are various members of this thread who have gone out there to take photos and whatnot, so I'm sure someone would have discovered the depth of the shafts and the amount of access they give to the various levels of the tomb.
4) This may sound somewhat Indiana-Jones-Fan-Boyish, but has anyone considered that there may have been "secret" areas within the crypt? Remey sounds like kind of a shady guy, so it seems probable that artifacts/information/etc. could easily just be hidden away within unknown chambers that have yet to be discovered.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: July 02, 2011 01:18PM
WASHINGTON DC JULY 2nd |
RE: LifeNoob's Questions & Practical Points
Dear Mr. Noob,
You asked: "Has anybody tried contacting "Stumpy?" What about investigating to see if there are any leads at his old property?"
The answer is that "Stumpy" was an urban legend in his own right- he didn't bear any resemblance in fact to the characteristics attributed to his personage in the many "Tales From The Crypt" that I have been documenting. He actually was the Sexton of the Pohick Church & its Glebe and was married. His residence was a home provided for him and his family as a part of his employment agreement with the parish.
You also stated: "If police reports about vandalism were filed, surely there would have to have been some official, high quality photographs taken of the damage done to the crypt before it was demolished--especially if it was truly a former Pagan hang-out. I would be surprised if numerous photos of the entrance-area and first floor (where it sounds like most of the partying and vandalism took place) are not simply on file at some Fairfax County police station."
There are numerous reports that were filed with the then Groveton substation of the Fairfax County Police Department which have now been archived. Sadly, not digitised as of this writing.
For a young person like yourself whom has seen art & life imitating each other vis a vis CSI Miami/New York, and of course shows like COPS et cetera, it is quite difficult to imagine that any official investigation wouldn't be replete with out photographic forensic evidence. Sadly however, such is not the case. Principly because of the costs involved 30 plus years ago coupled with administrative prioritising of severity of criminal cases. For example, murders, bank robberies, and serious vehicular incidents. As you can imagine, the Remeum didn't qualify in particular as it was regarded as "abandoned" in light of the U. S. District Court case in 1968 after which the vast majority of the acts of wanton vandalism occurred.
You then asked: "I may have missed it as I was skimming through the thread, but has anybody established the purpose/nature of the vents that are located near the site? I know there are various members of this thread who have gone out there to take photos and whatnot, so I'm sure someone would have discovered the depth of the shafts and the amount of access they give to the various levels of the tomb. "
The architectural blueprints used in the Remeum's construction, which are now in the hands of a major New York City architectural firm being studied and digitised for archival purposes, show that the vents were part of the air movement design.
As was pointed out earlier, human remains in decomposition give off natural occurring gasses and as such, Remey designed a series of air vents, mechanical fans, and air runways to remove said gasses along with keeping the crypts free from mold, and general air circulation.
The shafts are more or less "chimneys" which do not directly access the Remeum on a room by room basis.
Your last point young man touches on a truth that has surfaced on the research and history of Mason Remey. The direct answer is yes, there are. However, not secret so much as "hidden in plain site."
The Remeum itself is much larger than the majority of the adolescents and young adults who partied there realised at the time, credit being due Admiral Wadleigh for sealing off further access to the complex when he had the final family remains removed and reinterred.
I hope this answers your questions.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Service LLC
Washington DC
202 556 0877
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
http://chasinglosthistory.blogspot.com/
RE: LifeNoob's Questions & Practical Points
Dear Mr. Noob,
You asked: "Has anybody tried contacting "Stumpy?" What about investigating to see if there are any leads at his old property?"
The answer is that "Stumpy" was an urban legend in his own right- he didn't bear any resemblance in fact to the characteristics attributed to his personage in the many "Tales From The Crypt" that I have been documenting. He actually was the Sexton of the Pohick Church & its Glebe and was married. His residence was a home provided for him and his family as a part of his employment agreement with the parish.
You also stated: "If police reports about vandalism were filed, surely there would have to have been some official, high quality photographs taken of the damage done to the crypt before it was demolished--especially if it was truly a former Pagan hang-out. I would be surprised if numerous photos of the entrance-area and first floor (where it sounds like most of the partying and vandalism took place) are not simply on file at some Fairfax County police station."
There are numerous reports that were filed with the then Groveton substation of the Fairfax County Police Department which have now been archived. Sadly, not digitised as of this writing.
For a young person like yourself whom has seen art & life imitating each other vis a vis CSI Miami/New York, and of course shows like COPS et cetera, it is quite difficult to imagine that any official investigation wouldn't be replete with out photographic forensic evidence. Sadly however, such is not the case. Principly because of the costs involved 30 plus years ago coupled with administrative prioritising of severity of criminal cases. For example, murders, bank robberies, and serious vehicular incidents. As you can imagine, the Remeum didn't qualify in particular as it was regarded as "abandoned" in light of the U. S. District Court case in 1968 after which the vast majority of the acts of wanton vandalism occurred.
You then asked: "I may have missed it as I was skimming through the thread, but has anybody established the purpose/nature of the vents that are located near the site? I know there are various members of this thread who have gone out there to take photos and whatnot, so I'm sure someone would have discovered the depth of the shafts and the amount of access they give to the various levels of the tomb. "
The architectural blueprints used in the Remeum's construction, which are now in the hands of a major New York City architectural firm being studied and digitised for archival purposes, show that the vents were part of the air movement design.
As was pointed out earlier, human remains in decomposition give off natural occurring gasses and as such, Remey designed a series of air vents, mechanical fans, and air runways to remove said gasses along with keeping the crypts free from mold, and general air circulation.
The shafts are more or less "chimneys" which do not directly access the Remeum on a room by room basis.
Your last point young man touches on a truth that has surfaced on the research and history of Mason Remey. The direct answer is yes, there are. However, not secret so much as "hidden in plain site."
The Remeum itself is much larger than the majority of the adolescents and young adults who partied there realised at the time, credit being due Admiral Wadleigh for sealing off further access to the complex when he had the final family remains removed and reinterred.
I hope this answers your questions.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Service LLC
Washington DC
202 556 0877
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
http://chasinglosthistory.blogspot.com/
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K.Fernandes
()
Date: July 02, 2011 08:10PM
Hey Im saying I know all about this place but Im almost 60 born raized and all through school in Falls Church I webt to Crypt at least 40 times from 67 to 74 and saw it almost perfect to half demplished.The back wall was open at one time and there was more stone caskets also it steped down to lower level but had a iron gate lock very well we got chased off one night by 2 guys with shot guns and told next time they would shoot first never saw them again.As for Pagan hang out yes it was!I was turned on by one of them to Crypt.They where the first to start the trend going there I belive.The air vents did vent to keep mold and bad air in the tomp one could be seen in roof in back with greating on it.That place is very old and Im sure there is other old school people who could teel real stories,I just tell what I know and my times there which where almost every Sat. night because the place was so kool.I live in Tx.now and never heard or seen anything like Crypt.Look at VA.there is so much kool old history there hope this helps clear up some things about Crypts..Later...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: July 06, 2011 12:52AM
WASHINGTON DC
JULY 6th, 2011
Dear Folks,
I have finally received an answer from the Fairfax County Office of Planning & Zoning which essentially stated that at this time, no construction permits have been issued for the property, read: acreage, where the Remeum lies buried.
I have inquired (on another topic) to see if that portion of the Glebe of the Pohick Parish has been listed for sale. I will keep you folks advised once I receive a verified answer.
I'd also ask that the poster known as "K.Fernandes," please communicate with me at the phone or e-mail address below as I'd like to interview him regarding his recollections of his adventures and his 'Tales from The Crypt.'
Best regards,
Brody Levesque
202 556 0877
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2011 10:01PM by Brody Levesque.
JULY 6th, 2011
Dear Folks,
I have finally received an answer from the Fairfax County Office of Planning & Zoning which essentially stated that at this time, no construction permits have been issued for the property, read: acreage, where the Remeum lies buried.
I have inquired (on another topic) to see if that portion of the Glebe of the Pohick Parish has been listed for sale. I will keep you folks advised once I receive a verified answer.
I'd also ask that the poster known as "K.Fernandes," please communicate with me at the phone or e-mail address below as I'd like to interview him regarding his recollections of his adventures and his 'Tales from The Crypt.'
Best regards,
Brody Levesque
202 556 0877
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2011 10:01PM by Brody Levesque.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: July 06, 2011 11:43AM
I'd like to recommend that the poster K. Fernandes please proof read their posts. In some of them I can't even tell what you're talking about. Its "cool" not "kool" and please use punctuation, at 60 years old you should feel ashamed that you write like a third grader.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Cryptkeeper
()
Date: July 06, 2011 09:26PM
Come on BB*X, don't be an ass.....if you can't tell what he's talking about, maybe you should be ashamed that you read (and bully) like a third grader.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Demetrios T
()
Date: July 07, 2011 03:29AM
K Fernandes, did you go to Saint Anthonys or JEB Stuart? Or both? Also did you have relatives that went to either, my brother Rodion and I might know them. Please also take us a picture of that memento you have.
Spacy, thanks for the heads up. I still woudl try my luck, I have lawyers who will work pro-bono for me and whoever else would make an attempt. he money is a bit steep, and possibly the time, but maybe they wouldn't get us for all of them, especially if there were enough of us? I wouldn't do it by myself, but say there were seven or eight of us, they might punish us less? I don't know why I feel this way but I do.
Finally, Brody, you really need to be commended for what you have been doing. There will, I am sure, one day be a historical book, a documentary, or even a fictional novel set partway at the location. Could you imagine if national Treasure 3 or a similar movie incorporated it? I think, Brody, you have on your hands the makings of soemthing great and I wish you the absolute best of success. You are without a doubt the official historian of the crypt at this point. This is a fascinating story that keeps growing and any way I can help or volunteer, I will offer any way I can. For example, I know someone very well that is a govt engineer and used to be a surveyor, and I think there might be a possibility of "borrowing" and having him do a survey with a device that lets you "see" underground like a depth finder. We WILL discover the crypts secrets!
Spacy, thanks for the heads up. I still woudl try my luck, I have lawyers who will work pro-bono for me and whoever else would make an attempt. he money is a bit steep, and possibly the time, but maybe they wouldn't get us for all of them, especially if there were enough of us? I wouldn't do it by myself, but say there were seven or eight of us, they might punish us less? I don't know why I feel this way but I do.
Finally, Brody, you really need to be commended for what you have been doing. There will, I am sure, one day be a historical book, a documentary, or even a fictional novel set partway at the location. Could you imagine if national Treasure 3 or a similar movie incorporated it? I think, Brody, you have on your hands the makings of soemthing great and I wish you the absolute best of success. You are without a doubt the official historian of the crypt at this point. This is a fascinating story that keeps growing and any way I can help or volunteer, I will offer any way I can. For example, I know someone very well that is a govt engineer and used to be a surveyor, and I think there might be a possibility of "borrowing" and having him do a survey with a device that lets you "see" underground like a depth finder. We WILL discover the crypts secrets!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K.Fernandes
()
Date: July 07, 2011 01:58PM
My susgestion is dont read my post ASS HOLE how old r u? u probable know nothing of the crypts or even been in them hell I was in them when u where still craping yellow....U dont know me so dont judge me I post he to tell people of my times there no hear so crap from a snot nose punk...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
W.Fernandes
()
Date: July 07, 2011 02:00PM
Thanks man some people r just like that he dosnt even know kool is old school.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
W.Fernandes
()
Date: July 07, 2011 02:03PM
Hey I went to George C. Marshall befor that was Longfellow so you wouldnt of know me also that was 68.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: July 07, 2011 02:29PM
You're wrong I have actually been to the crypts, years before this thread started. I also never craped yellow, maybe crapped yellow but never craped.
Either way I wasn't trying to be a dick or an ASSHOLE. I was just tired of trying to read through run on sentences that I have to re-read to get what you're trying to say because you jam five ideas into one sentence with no commas so it reads horribly.
Example: "My susgestion is dont read my post ASS HOLE how old r u? u probable know nothing of the crypts or even been in them hell I was in them when u where still craping yellow....U dont know me so dont judge me I post he to tell people of my times there no hear so crap from a snot nose punk..."
What it should say: My susgestion is don't read my post ASSHOLE. How old are you? You probably know nothing of the crypts and have never been in them. Hell, I was in them when you where still crapping yellow. You don't know me so don't judge me, I post to tell people of my times there not to hear some crap from a snot nose punk.
Either way I wasn't trying to be a dick or an ASSHOLE. I was just tired of trying to read through run on sentences that I have to re-read to get what you're trying to say because you jam five ideas into one sentence with no commas so it reads horribly.
Example: "My susgestion is dont read my post ASS HOLE how old r u? u probable know nothing of the crypts or even been in them hell I was in them when u where still craping yellow....U dont know me so dont judge me I post he to tell people of my times there no hear so crap from a snot nose punk..."
What it should say: My susgestion is don't read my post ASSHOLE. How old are you? You probably know nothing of the crypts and have never been in them. Hell, I was in them when you where still crapping yellow. You don't know me so don't judge me, I post to tell people of my times there not to hear some crap from a snot nose punk.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: July 07, 2011 02:34PM
I forgot to answer your question, I'm in my early 30's. Now answer one for me, do you feel ashamed of your communication skills seeing as how you are so much older than me and should be wiser and more experienced? I mean after all I was crapping yellow when you were graduating high school.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S
()
Date: July 07, 2011 02:41PM
BB*X
I think we are all here to coordinate and accumulate data about the Remeum. Research involves a lot of time and energy. I understand that some posts are hard to read, but reading through your grammar and spelling rants are also a waste of time. Let it go and let's continue to find more information and pictures of the Remeum to add to this thread. Sorry for wasting everyone's time with this post...
I think we are all here to coordinate and accumulate data about the Remeum. Research involves a lot of time and energy. I understand that some posts are hard to read, but reading through your grammar and spelling rants are also a waste of time. Let it go and let's continue to find more information and pictures of the Remeum to add to this thread. Sorry for wasting everyone's time with this post...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: July 07, 2011 02:55PM
I was just trying to point out that some of those posts are very cumbersome to read and maybe some attention to detail would help. Not all of us type like high school kids texting each other. If you are going to take the time to tell us about your experiences you could at least take the time to make sure the post is understandable. I guess I should apologize for calling K.Fernandes or W.Fernandes a third grader, that gives third graders a.....I'll just let it go like you said.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Cryptkeeper
()
Date: July 07, 2011 04:34PM
BB*X Wrote:
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> You're wrong I have actually been to the crypts,
> years before this thread started. I also never
> craped yellow, maybe crapped yellow but never
> craped.
>
> Either way I wasn't trying to be a dick or an
> ASSHOLE. I was just tired of trying to read
> through run on sentences that I have to re-read to
> get what you're trying to say because you jam five
> ideas into one sentence with no commas so it reads
> horribly.
>
> Example: "My susgestion is dont read my post ASS
> HOLE how old r u? u probable know nothing of the
> crypts or even been in them hell I was in them
> when u where still craping yellow....U dont know
> me so dont judge me I post he to tell people of my
> times there no hear so crap from a snot nose
> punk..."
>
> What it should say: My susgestion is don't read my
> post ASSHOLE. How old are you? You probably know
> nothing of the crypts and have never been in them.
> Hell, I was in them when you where still crapping
> yellow. You don't know me so don't judge me, I
> post to tell people of my times there not to hear
> some crap from a snot nose punk.
BB*X, let's see......You are in your early 30's (I’ll use 35). That would put your birth year in around 1976. The crypts were covered in 1983....hummmm.....you went to the crypts when you were 7 years old?? Wow, we have always known that you have superior intellect, we couldn't have guessed that you were a seven year old Archeologist (or Pirate, Firearms Expert, Lawyer, Non-Starbucks patron, or whatever-the-fuck else you think you are)….you must be very proud of yourself!! Oh wait…It becomes clear from reading any of your posts (search for his posts!) that you are, indeed, very proud of your (little) self. SHUT THE FUCK UP BB*X!!!
On a separate note to the rest of the forum: Sorry for rant…I never posted anything to FFU until yesterday, but I just don’t like BB*X’s posts…..I assure you that I don’t know him personally, and I’m sure he’s a super guy in person…..well…. maybe I don’t really think he is…..look at his posts(really….look!)
Oh BB*X….shut the Fuck Up……….You are a know-it-all punk, that has something stupid to say about virtually everything…..
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> You're wrong I have actually been to the crypts,
> years before this thread started. I also never
> craped yellow, maybe crapped yellow but never
> craped.
>
> Either way I wasn't trying to be a dick or an
> ASSHOLE. I was just tired of trying to read
> through run on sentences that I have to re-read to
> get what you're trying to say because you jam five
> ideas into one sentence with no commas so it reads
> horribly.
>
> Example: "My susgestion is dont read my post ASS
> HOLE how old r u? u probable know nothing of the
> crypts or even been in them hell I was in them
> when u where still craping yellow....U dont know
> me so dont judge me I post he to tell people of my
> times there no hear so crap from a snot nose
> punk..."
>
> What it should say: My susgestion is don't read my
> post ASSHOLE. How old are you? You probably know
> nothing of the crypts and have never been in them.
> Hell, I was in them when you where still crapping
> yellow. You don't know me so don't judge me, I
> post to tell people of my times there not to hear
> some crap from a snot nose punk.
BB*X, let's see......You are in your early 30's (I’ll use 35). That would put your birth year in around 1976. The crypts were covered in 1983....hummmm.....you went to the crypts when you were 7 years old?? Wow, we have always known that you have superior intellect, we couldn't have guessed that you were a seven year old Archeologist (or Pirate, Firearms Expert, Lawyer, Non-Starbucks patron, or whatever-the-fuck else you think you are)….you must be very proud of yourself!! Oh wait…It becomes clear from reading any of your posts (search for his posts!) that you are, indeed, very proud of your (little) self. SHUT THE FUCK UP BB*X!!!
On a separate note to the rest of the forum: Sorry for rant…I never posted anything to FFU until yesterday, but I just don’t like BB*X’s posts…..I assure you that I don’t know him personally, and I’m sure he’s a super guy in person…..well…. maybe I don’t really think he is…..look at his posts(really….look!)
Oh BB*X….shut the Fuck Up……….You are a know-it-all punk, that has something stupid to say about virtually everything…..
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Understand
()
Date: July 07, 2011 05:22PM
I can kinda empathize with BB*X, it really is difficult to understand dogshit posts like that. You think to yourself, "well, I'll just skip this unintelligible crap", but then you think, "well, maybe this person has something interesting to say despite being barely literate, so I'll read on". I gave up when it became apparent there actually wasn't anything of value in there.
I agree with Steve S. though, it is pointless to complain about someone's grammar/writing. No one is going to reply with "oh ok, my humble apologies, I'll try harder next time".
I agree with Steve S. though, it is pointless to complain about someone's grammar/writing. No one is going to reply with "oh ok, my humble apologies, I'll try harder next time".
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
()
Date: July 07, 2011 05:56PM
I hate the chat-speak too but it's a losing battle to continue to fight it.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: July 07, 2011 07:43PM
WASHINGTON DC
JULY 7th, 2011
Dear Folks,
Before the comments descend into a morass of numbing insults without genuine merit or even purpose, I am going to weigh in with a few thoughts that I really would like all of you to consider.
When I first commenced my profession as a journalist with UPI nearly 31 years ago, the very first thing that my colleagues, my mentor, and even editors taught me was this simple truth: "Everyone has a story."
The critical component to being a good journalist and in fact a writer, is the ability to listen. For a moment consider that truth; "Everyone has a story," which means that in order to be able to obtain and write about those stories, one must listen, and in some cases maybe yes, the person telling the tale may not be able to faithfully articulate their story to the degree which others may be comfortable with, nonetheless, the value is in the story itself, its facts, and not its presentation necessarily.
I have conducted numerous interviews where extracting the particulars was quite painful due to a lack of formal education on the part of the subject person. But, the value was not and would never be diminished because of this pertinent factor- the person telling it was still very much a human being with feelings as a sentient creature.
I've never forgotten that lesson, never. "Everyone has a story." Sometimes, it is the duty and obligation of the reader as well as the writer, or in my case, as a professional writer, to be able to interpret the story, extrapolating the details into a cohesive tale so that others may benefit from that shared experience or history.
Just a thought folks.
Warmest Regards,
Brody Levesque
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/07/2011 07:46PM by Brody Levesque.
JULY 7th, 2011
Dear Folks,
Before the comments descend into a morass of numbing insults without genuine merit or even purpose, I am going to weigh in with a few thoughts that I really would like all of you to consider.
When I first commenced my profession as a journalist with UPI nearly 31 years ago, the very first thing that my colleagues, my mentor, and even editors taught me was this simple truth: "Everyone has a story."
The critical component to being a good journalist and in fact a writer, is the ability to listen. For a moment consider that truth; "Everyone has a story," which means that in order to be able to obtain and write about those stories, one must listen, and in some cases maybe yes, the person telling the tale may not be able to faithfully articulate their story to the degree which others may be comfortable with, nonetheless, the value is in the story itself, its facts, and not its presentation necessarily.
I have conducted numerous interviews where extracting the particulars was quite painful due to a lack of formal education on the part of the subject person. But, the value was not and would never be diminished because of this pertinent factor- the person telling it was still very much a human being with feelings as a sentient creature.
I've never forgotten that lesson, never. "Everyone has a story." Sometimes, it is the duty and obligation of the reader as well as the writer, or in my case, as a professional writer, to be able to interpret the story, extrapolating the details into a cohesive tale so that others may benefit from that shared experience or history.
Just a thought folks.
Warmest Regards,
Brody Levesque
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/07/2011 07:46PM by Brody Levesque.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: July 08, 2011 10:29AM
"BB*X, let's see......You are in your early 30's (I’ll use 35). That would put your birth year in around 1976. The crypts were covered in 1983....hummmm.....you went to the crypts when you were 7 years old??"
There is a difference between went to and went inside. I have been to the crypts and I have dug around trying to find a way in. I started going years ago, probably around 95 when I first heard about them from my friends older sister and brother. I had forgotten all about the site until about two years ago and I started going back out there to see if I could find a way in, I was really hoping that after all the years someone would have knocked the top off one of the air vents and there would be a way to see inside but that was not the case.
I'm not sure what you find stupid about my firearms knowledge, I don't believe I have provided any false info in any of my posts on that subject but if you can find one and point it out I'll gladly admit to my mistake. I have also never claimed to be a lawyer, pirate or archeologist, but I am most certainly not a Starbucks patron.
Now back to K or W Fernandes, I probably should have phrased my complaint in a more mature manner but after reading five rambling posts where the author goes from one idea to the next all in one big long sentence I was irritated and reverted to third grade behavior by calling someone a third grader.
There is a difference between went to and went inside. I have been to the crypts and I have dug around trying to find a way in. I started going years ago, probably around 95 when I first heard about them from my friends older sister and brother. I had forgotten all about the site until about two years ago and I started going back out there to see if I could find a way in, I was really hoping that after all the years someone would have knocked the top off one of the air vents and there would be a way to see inside but that was not the case.
I'm not sure what you find stupid about my firearms knowledge, I don't believe I have provided any false info in any of my posts on that subject but if you can find one and point it out I'll gladly admit to my mistake. I have also never claimed to be a lawyer, pirate or archeologist, but I am most certainly not a Starbucks patron.
Now back to K or W Fernandes, I probably should have phrased my complaint in a more mature manner but after reading five rambling posts where the author goes from one idea to the next all in one big long sentence I was irritated and reverted to third grade behavior by calling someone a third grader.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K.Fernandes
()
Date: July 08, 2011 11:05AM
I have never heard so much crap over some one telling there good times!!!! And no I am not ashamed of any thing I have writen here !!! I will not lower myself to your level by going on with this.If you are in your 30s you could of never seen or took in the awa of the crypts.I did many times befor you where even born..I am on this site to give info to help others who could never seen the crypts and some understanding of what it was like.I went there w/Pagan bros and just close friends and each time it was like the 1st time it was always a rush.My sugestion is if you cant read my post get some one older to help you, we lose things as we get older in life which you will learn in time,so sorry to slam you and lets keep this site clean for people to enjoy and learn from.Thanks..
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: July 08, 2011 11:22AM
I was not saying you should be ashamed, I believe I used embarrassed though, and I'm not saying you should be embarrassed by the content of your post, I was referring to your writing skills when I made that comment. What I was getting at is that there is no break between ideas so it makes it very cumbersome to read when you have to stop and determine where one idea stops and another starts. I do not need someone older to read them for me, I can get what you're saying but it takes some effort sometimes. All I was asking for, and I admit I went about it the wrong way, is that you slow down and try to get one idea across before you just snowball into the next one. Seems like everyone has calmed down a bit and from this point forward I will just skip over your posts if I have an issue with them.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Cryptkeeper
()
Date: July 08, 2011 02:09PM
BB*X Wrote:
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> I was not saying you should be ashamed, I believe
> I used embarrassed though, and I'm not saying you
> should be embarrassed by the content of your post,
> I was referring to your writing skills when I made
> that comment. What I was getting at is that there
> is no break between ideas so it makes it very
> cumbersome to read when you have to stop and
> determine where one idea stops and another starts.
> I do not need someone older to read them for me,
> I can get what you're saying but it takes some
> effort sometimes. All I was asking for, and I
> admit I went about it the wrong way, is that you
> slow down and try to get one idea across before
> you just snowball into the next one. Seems like
> everyone has calmed down a bit and from this point
> forward I will just skip over your posts if I have
> an issue with them.
This is my last post here....I'll go back to lurking.
BB*X....you did indeed say ashamed... "you should feel ashamed that you write like a third grader".
You also said that Mr. Fernandes was wrong in saying "been in them" and then you went on to say that you went to them instead.....so Mr. Fernandes was correct when he suggested that you have never been in them....by your own admission....he wasn't wrong at all.....maybe you do need a grown-up to read for you???
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> I was not saying you should be ashamed, I believe
> I used embarrassed though, and I'm not saying you
> should be embarrassed by the content of your post,
> I was referring to your writing skills when I made
> that comment. What I was getting at is that there
> is no break between ideas so it makes it very
> cumbersome to read when you have to stop and
> determine where one idea stops and another starts.
> I do not need someone older to read them for me,
> I can get what you're saying but it takes some
> effort sometimes. All I was asking for, and I
> admit I went about it the wrong way, is that you
> slow down and try to get one idea across before
> you just snowball into the next one. Seems like
> everyone has calmed down a bit and from this point
> forward I will just skip over your posts if I have
> an issue with them.
This is my last post here....I'll go back to lurking.
BB*X....you did indeed say ashamed... "you should feel ashamed that you write like a third grader".
You also said that Mr. Fernandes was wrong in saying "been in them" and then you went on to say that you went to them instead.....so Mr. Fernandes was correct when he suggested that you have never been in them....by your own admission....he wasn't wrong at all.....maybe you do need a grown-up to read for you???
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X STFI
()
Date: July 08, 2011 02:14PM
BB*X Wrote:
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> I was not saying you should be ashamed, I believe
> I used embarrassed though, and I'm not saying you
> should be embarrassed by the content of your post,
> I was referring to your writing skills when I made
> that comment. What I was getting at is that there
> is no break between ideas so it makes it very
> cumbersome to read when you have to stop and
> determine where one idea stops and another starts.
> I do not need someone older to read them for me,
> I can get what you're saying but it takes some
> effort sometimes. All I was asking for, and I
> admit I went about it the wrong way, is that you
> slow down and try to get one idea across before
> you just snowball into the next one. Seems like
> everyone has calmed down a bit and from this point
> forward I will just skip over your posts if I have
> an issue with them.
I think I speak for everyone else, BB*X, shut the fuck up you asshole!!! Nobody cares about your stupid rant so just fuck off already and go start arguments in some other post. People are here to discuss the crypts, not your annoying rambling ass! I would love to just punch you in the face right now, what an asshole!
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> I was not saying you should be ashamed, I believe
> I used embarrassed though, and I'm not saying you
> should be embarrassed by the content of your post,
> I was referring to your writing skills when I made
> that comment. What I was getting at is that there
> is no break between ideas so it makes it very
> cumbersome to read when you have to stop and
> determine where one idea stops and another starts.
> I do not need someone older to read them for me,
> I can get what you're saying but it takes some
> effort sometimes. All I was asking for, and I
> admit I went about it the wrong way, is that you
> slow down and try to get one idea across before
> you just snowball into the next one. Seems like
> everyone has calmed down a bit and from this point
> forward I will just skip over your posts if I have
> an issue with them.
I think I speak for everyone else, BB*X, shut the fuck up you asshole!!! Nobody cares about your stupid rant so just fuck off already and go start arguments in some other post. People are here to discuss the crypts, not your annoying rambling ass! I would love to just punch you in the face right now, what an asshole!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
FurfaxTownie
()
Date: July 08, 2011 03:05PM
I rather enjoy reading Fernandes posting as they are. It adds a certain rustic element to the whole story. I can imagine him have a face that tells a thousand stories with a 1000yrd stone cold stare. He takes his time slowly typing out his post one key punch at a time or maybe dictating them to his grandson who is writing it out verbatim as the words exit his mouth.
Its a nice change of pace write on Brother!
Its a nice change of pace write on Brother!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: July 08, 2011 03:44PM
CryptKeeper,
I was addressing you when I said there is a difference between going in and going to, you are the one that accused me of going to the crypts when I was seven. I don't recall ever getting into any debate about going in or going to them with K.Fernandes.
BB*X STFI - What does this mean Shut the Fuck Ip? This argument was over but you just had to chime in with your two cents. I don't think K.Fernandes needs any defenders, he seems rather capable of defending himself you cum dumpster. Before you punch me you'd have to remove your fist from being wrist deep in your asshole.
I was addressing you when I said there is a difference between going in and going to, you are the one that accused me of going to the crypts when I was seven. I don't recall ever getting into any debate about going in or going to them with K.Fernandes.
BB*X STFI - What does this mean Shut the Fuck Ip? This argument was over but you just had to chime in with your two cents. I don't think K.Fernandes needs any defenders, he seems rather capable of defending himself you cum dumpster. Before you punch me you'd have to remove your fist from being wrist deep in your asshole.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X Douche Bag
()
Date: July 08, 2011 04:43PM
I see BB*X is making a lot of friends here, what a douche bag. Typical "Internet Tough Guy" pussy who sits behind his PC all day with his 3" dick in his hands. What a total jackoff!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K.Fernandes
()
Date: July 09, 2011 01:59AM
WOW Getting litte hot here...Im just here to tell my best times growing up in Falls Church and I really dug going to Crypts.There was always at least 5 of us going and each time it was really weird and kinda of spookie.I told of useing a rope to get down the wall into the tomb courtyard it was easy going down but being the last guy out was always really wierd you kept looking arond till you got up the rope and most of the time you had to be pulled up because we are talking at least 15 feet to ground.Those 2 big sleeping lions where really kool to.It was so neet because at first there was no damage and it was like a place out of that show TALES FROM THE CRYPT.Lots of over growth those bad ass stickers that would tear you up right through your geans.You know back then lots of good drugs around and being in there on acid or another thing was KILLER WEED like smoking weed but 2 hits and man you where really buzzing.I really miss that place I ask what is the state of it now but know one has told me,is it all covered now,are there plans to build there?I was back there 2 yrs. ago for Rolling Thunder but didnt have time to get there probable would of made me sick to see it now.People post the vents are still there? you use to be able to see all the way inside now guess there full of trash.If there was a way in that would be it but they where very small so it could be unsafe.Ok dig hearing what people have to say about ole crypts,man i could go on fore hours of my adventures there...Later 4 now..
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Demetriost
()
Date: July 09, 2011 04:16AM
I want to jump in here with a couple thoughts. First of all, I agree with Brodys' comment that all stories are important. I agree whole heartedly.
Having said that, BBX, thanks for all your contributions to the site, going out there and supplying photos, and weighing in with your opinions, Like Brody says, your story is important too, and I don't want you to stop posting, I have enjoyed reading your posts.
Now, K Fernandes, Thanks for your posts as well. Could you please supply us with something more "concrete" or explain more, or at least call Brody and tell your story so that it may be shared with us. Also who is W Fernandes that posted two minutes right after you? Is that you as well, because that person answered my question about where you went to school. If its a different person, maybe they went to the crypts and would care to share? How about some of your Pagan friends or other friends? Maybe they have pictures as well?
Could you also please write a little bit more exactly about what you saw during those 40 or so trips there, that none on this blog have mentioned? I understand you enjoyed the place but would like to hear some more details besides the "reminiscing" about the awe, the coolness and what a blast you had. I am realy keen on hearing about what exactly was behind that wall. What were the statues like, if there were any? Were there friezes? Were the caskets opened? ETC... I am still hoping to see a picture of the door-knocker. At 40 times down there, it would seem you were there more than most, and I would be very interested to hear your "take" on the map/blueprint that is shown further up in the blog. What was the layout like? There are a few shown up above, which of them is the "real" layout? Thanks again for your posts, and am looking forward to hearing some of the details you saw that no one has talked about yet.
Having said that, BBX, thanks for all your contributions to the site, going out there and supplying photos, and weighing in with your opinions, Like Brody says, your story is important too, and I don't want you to stop posting, I have enjoyed reading your posts.
Now, K Fernandes, Thanks for your posts as well. Could you please supply us with something more "concrete" or explain more, or at least call Brody and tell your story so that it may be shared with us. Also who is W Fernandes that posted two minutes right after you? Is that you as well, because that person answered my question about where you went to school. If its a different person, maybe they went to the crypts and would care to share? How about some of your Pagan friends or other friends? Maybe they have pictures as well?
Could you also please write a little bit more exactly about what you saw during those 40 or so trips there, that none on this blog have mentioned? I understand you enjoyed the place but would like to hear some more details besides the "reminiscing" about the awe, the coolness and what a blast you had. I am realy keen on hearing about what exactly was behind that wall. What were the statues like, if there were any? Were there friezes? Were the caskets opened? ETC... I am still hoping to see a picture of the door-knocker. At 40 times down there, it would seem you were there more than most, and I would be very interested to hear your "take" on the map/blueprint that is shown further up in the blog. What was the layout like? There are a few shown up above, which of them is the "real" layout? Thanks again for your posts, and am looking forward to hearing some of the details you saw that no one has talked about yet.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
A Resident
()
Date: July 09, 2011 08:30AM
@ Demetriost: K & W Fernandes are the same person. Marshall HS is the answer to your question. I suggested K. Fernandes visit this forum after he inquired about the crypts elsewhere on the web. Show him some hospitality you morons. Don't be a DICK BB*X. It's jerkoffs like you that make NoVA a shitty place to live. K. Fernandes is an important resource and I understand his writing just fine.
Thanks for sharing your insights K. I've been following this thread since it began. The crypts (also called the Remeum) are very interesting.
K.- the answer to your question is in this thread. The crypts have been bulldozed multiple times. Most seem to think that they are still intact but buried under many feet of dirt. Good to see u posting here :)
Thanks for sharing your insights K. I've been following this thread since it began. The crypts (also called the Remeum) are very interesting.
K.- the answer to your question is in this thread. The crypts have been bulldozed multiple times. Most seem to think that they are still intact but buried under many feet of dirt. Good to see u posting here :)
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: July 09, 2011 10:06AM
WASHINGTON DC
JULY 9th, 2011
Re: In answer to K.Fernandes & Demetriost
Dear Folks,
The layout of the Remeum that has been posted is in fact correct & accurate,if you look closely at the lower right hand corner you will see the initials "CMR" which obviously stand for Charles Mason Remey.
Those posted sheets are the "draftsman" drawings that Remey executed and which I have personally seen as they are included in Remey's vast body of published work which are held in public trust by various public libraries and institutions of higher learning. In fact, for residents of suburban Fairfax County who desire to peruse the documents including the draftsman drawings, please visit the Virginia Room of the Fairfax County Library, located in the Fairfax City branch on Old Lee Highway in the centre of the town. The works are held in the "Special Collections" and require personal interaction with the librarians.
Next, Mr. Fernandes, according to the demolition expert I interviewed a month or two ago, whose responsibility was executing a study for probability & feasibility of demolition v. complete burial and grading of the complex for Shirley Contracting Corporation in 1983, the structure as built, is most likely entirely intact as it was buried under a mixture of rubble from the demolished courtyard walls and inner atrium that you climbed down as a adolescent along with several hundred cubic yards of fill materials. The irony here being that Remey designed it to be buried and to carry the tremendous weight of the soil overhead.
As a request, I would again ask that you contact me either by phone or e-mail as I'd appreciate an opportunity to interview you and capture your story as further oral history and documentation of the latter days of the Remeum. Of particular interest is that you apparently transversed the complex prior to Admiral Wadleigh's contracting the installation of the plugs barring further access to the interior beyond the entrance chamber.
I can publicly state that I can treat you as a source without disclosing your being identified and as further incentive sir, upon checking with the office of the Commonwealth's Attorney, I learned that any misdemeanor actions from that time period 40 years ago, in fact even up to the point the complex was buried, would not be prosecutable under the Code of Virginia- ie: statute of limitations:
Virginia has a statute of limitations on certain crimes which is spelled out in Virginia Code §19.2-8. This means the charge must be brought within the time period established by Virginia Code from the date of the offense. Most misdemeanor offenses have a statute of limitations of one year. One of the more common exceptions to this rule is the offense of petit larceny which has a five year statute of limitations. There are other exceptions which may apply and the code section should be referenced. [http://virginiacriminallawyers.vatrafficlaw.com/pages/felony-vs-misdemeanor.html ]
Note: There are no statute of limitations on the commencement of felony charges however, after discussions with law enforcement officials, most agreed that none of the actions committed at the Remeum would qualify as felonies under Virginia law.
Thusly, you would be able to converse with me in the safety of anonymity should you so desire. I'd also appreciate a photograph of the relic/artifact you have in your possession as my staff and I have been able to acquire some documentation/purchase orders that document items that Remey had installed in the complex such as the alabaster chandeliers and the generator that was located in the storage room. It would be a treat to match your artifact with the specified items used in the construction with a list of decorative features.
Again, I thank all of you whom have taken the time to interact here & post coupled with those who have called and e-mailed me. Please feel free to continue to do so.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Service
Washington D. C.
202 556 0877
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
JULY 9th, 2011
Re: In answer to K.Fernandes & Demetriost
Dear Folks,
The layout of the Remeum that has been posted is in fact correct & accurate,if you look closely at the lower right hand corner you will see the initials "CMR" which obviously stand for Charles Mason Remey.
Those posted sheets are the "draftsman" drawings that Remey executed and which I have personally seen as they are included in Remey's vast body of published work which are held in public trust by various public libraries and institutions of higher learning. In fact, for residents of suburban Fairfax County who desire to peruse the documents including the draftsman drawings, please visit the Virginia Room of the Fairfax County Library, located in the Fairfax City branch on Old Lee Highway in the centre of the town. The works are held in the "Special Collections" and require personal interaction with the librarians.
Next, Mr. Fernandes, according to the demolition expert I interviewed a month or two ago, whose responsibility was executing a study for probability & feasibility of demolition v. complete burial and grading of the complex for Shirley Contracting Corporation in 1983, the structure as built, is most likely entirely intact as it was buried under a mixture of rubble from the demolished courtyard walls and inner atrium that you climbed down as a adolescent along with several hundred cubic yards of fill materials. The irony here being that Remey designed it to be buried and to carry the tremendous weight of the soil overhead.
As a request, I would again ask that you contact me either by phone or e-mail as I'd appreciate an opportunity to interview you and capture your story as further oral history and documentation of the latter days of the Remeum. Of particular interest is that you apparently transversed the complex prior to Admiral Wadleigh's contracting the installation of the plugs barring further access to the interior beyond the entrance chamber.
I can publicly state that I can treat you as a source without disclosing your being identified and as further incentive sir, upon checking with the office of the Commonwealth's Attorney, I learned that any misdemeanor actions from that time period 40 years ago, in fact even up to the point the complex was buried, would not be prosecutable under the Code of Virginia- ie: statute of limitations:
Virginia has a statute of limitations on certain crimes which is spelled out in Virginia Code §19.2-8. This means the charge must be brought within the time period established by Virginia Code from the date of the offense. Most misdemeanor offenses have a statute of limitations of one year. One of the more common exceptions to this rule is the offense of petit larceny which has a five year statute of limitations. There are other exceptions which may apply and the code section should be referenced. [http://virginiacriminallawyers.vatrafficlaw.com/pages/felony-vs-misdemeanor.html ]
Note: There are no statute of limitations on the commencement of felony charges however, after discussions with law enforcement officials, most agreed that none of the actions committed at the Remeum would qualify as felonies under Virginia law.
Thusly, you would be able to converse with me in the safety of anonymity should you so desire. I'd also appreciate a photograph of the relic/artifact you have in your possession as my staff and I have been able to acquire some documentation/purchase orders that document items that Remey had installed in the complex such as the alabaster chandeliers and the generator that was located in the storage room. It would be a treat to match your artifact with the specified items used in the construction with a list of decorative features.
Again, I thank all of you whom have taken the time to interact here & post coupled with those who have called and e-mailed me. Please feel free to continue to do so.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Service
Washington D. C.
202 556 0877
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Carl O
()
Date: July 09, 2011 11:57AM
I went to the crypts back in the 80's . Once when there were still above ground structures and then several times after it was leveled over. We could still get in along a side entrace. I have posted my story here before ,I think around pg.5.
One thing is the place was very impressive purportedly with 1 million bricks. Were these bricks from the local Lorton yard?
One thing is the place was very impressive purportedly with 1 million bricks. Were these bricks from the local Lorton yard?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Cryptkeeper
()
Date: July 09, 2011 08:12PM
Brody, maybe you've already said, but what are your plans for all of the info that you gather? Book? article? forum posting? NatGeo special?(that would be cool)
Thanks for all of your time thats gone into the investigation of, and posting about your findings.
I graduated from an area school in the early eighties. I never went to the crypt, but remember others in school talking about it.
Thanks for all of your time thats gone into the investigation of, and posting about your findings.
I graduated from an area school in the early eighties. I never went to the crypt, but remember others in school talking about it.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: July 11, 2011 08:49AM
K.Fernandes,
The crypts are inaccessible at this point, without doing a lot of digging and trespassing. The two air vents are still sticking up out of the ground but they, like you said, have been filled with trash and rubble. Someone, he removed all of his posts and pic's a while back, started digging a hole out there using the blue prints and pictures posted here and when I was last there the hole was down to the top cap of one of the walls, probably five or six feet deep. It appears that all of the walls were made of brick but had a cement cap on top. I climbed down in the hole and I could see the cement cap and about three or four rows of bricks under the cap. It was about that time when the church must have become aware of this thread because No Trespassing signs were posted the next time I went back. I'm assuming the guy who started the hole got in some trouble because all of his posts about this place were removed, as well as his posts about exploring the Lorton prison after it was closed.
"I see BB*X is making a lot of friends here, what a douche bag. Typical "Internet Tough Guy" pussy who sits behind his PC all day with his 3" dick in his hands. What a total jackoff!"
I've provided a lot more info on this subject than you have. My pic's from visiting the crypts prove that I don't sit behind my computer all day with my 3"dick in my hand. This is also the first time I have caused a ripple in the FFU pool so I don't think that warrants total jackoff, maybe partial but definitely not total.
The crypts are inaccessible at this point, without doing a lot of digging and trespassing. The two air vents are still sticking up out of the ground but they, like you said, have been filled with trash and rubble. Someone, he removed all of his posts and pic's a while back, started digging a hole out there using the blue prints and pictures posted here and when I was last there the hole was down to the top cap of one of the walls, probably five or six feet deep. It appears that all of the walls were made of brick but had a cement cap on top. I climbed down in the hole and I could see the cement cap and about three or four rows of bricks under the cap. It was about that time when the church must have become aware of this thread because No Trespassing signs were posted the next time I went back. I'm assuming the guy who started the hole got in some trouble because all of his posts about this place were removed, as well as his posts about exploring the Lorton prison after it was closed.
"I see BB*X is making a lot of friends here, what a douche bag. Typical "Internet Tough Guy" pussy who sits behind his PC all day with his 3" dick in his hands. What a total jackoff!"
I've provided a lot more info on this subject than you have. My pic's from visiting the crypts prove that I don't sit behind my computer all day with my 3"dick in my hand. This is also the first time I have caused a ripple in the FFU pool so I don't think that warrants total jackoff, maybe partial but definitely not total.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DYSLEX BEX
()
Date: July 11, 2011 11:34AM
A jury of your peers has decided that you are in fact, a total jackoff. Congratulations!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Bystander
()
Date: July 11, 2011 12:25PM
Does anyone know why they had carved 666 on the top side of vaults?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: July 12, 2011 12:14AM
WASHINGTON DC
JULY 12th, 2011
RE: "Brody, maybe you've already said, but what are your plans for all of the info that you gather? Book? article? forum posting? NatGeo special?(that would be cool)"
Dear Folks,
The original intent was to write an article, mostly directed at the latter day history and events regarding the Remeum, ie: The urban legend that was the crypts.
However, as most of you have discovered by reading my charting the various discoveries and the wealth of information- 200 linear feet & counting, of the Remeum's architect and builder Charles Mason Remey's biographical history, this has turned into quite a fascinating tale.
What invariably sparks the most interest is the intrigue, the mystery, and the interwoven historical facts, persons, and associated stories that swirl around Remey. He was by far no ordinary person.
Consider, we still have yet as to determine the answer to the most fundamental question that exists about Remey and his motivation for building this memorial/tomb: "Why?"
This story is like an Onion folks, you just keep peeling back the layers.
At this point? I have not just one, but several stories all related to this place, its builder, and yes, many of you now reading this thread who have so graciously contributed to the on going saga are yet again another story.
A book? Maybe. Right now though to be honest, the research continues as myself and my staff attempt to chase down leads, people, and documentation about this captivating bit of Fairfax County's history.
Not a complete answer I realise, but then too- there's still much to be investigated and documented.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Service
Washington DC
202 556-0877
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
The attached is a picture of Charles Mason Remey in the late 1950's taken at a gathering of ranking Baha'i in Paris, France. The gentleman in front of him that he is speaking to is Joel Marangella, another controversial Baha'i who was later like his mentor Remey ex-communicated as a "covenant" breaker. [Remey is the tall white haired gentleman at centre-point.]
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/12/2011 12:32AM by Brody Levesque.
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JULY 12th, 2011
RE: "Brody, maybe you've already said, but what are your plans for all of the info that you gather? Book? article? forum posting? NatGeo special?(that would be cool)"
Dear Folks,
The original intent was to write an article, mostly directed at the latter day history and events regarding the Remeum, ie: The urban legend that was the crypts.
However, as most of you have discovered by reading my charting the various discoveries and the wealth of information- 200 linear feet & counting, of the Remeum's architect and builder Charles Mason Remey's biographical history, this has turned into quite a fascinating tale.
What invariably sparks the most interest is the intrigue, the mystery, and the interwoven historical facts, persons, and associated stories that swirl around Remey. He was by far no ordinary person.
Consider, we still have yet as to determine the answer to the most fundamental question that exists about Remey and his motivation for building this memorial/tomb: "Why?"
This story is like an Onion folks, you just keep peeling back the layers.
At this point? I have not just one, but several stories all related to this place, its builder, and yes, many of you now reading this thread who have so graciously contributed to the on going saga are yet again another story.
A book? Maybe. Right now though to be honest, the research continues as myself and my staff attempt to chase down leads, people, and documentation about this captivating bit of Fairfax County's history.
Not a complete answer I realise, but then too- there's still much to be investigated and documented.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Service
Washington DC
202 556-0877
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
The attached is a picture of Charles Mason Remey in the late 1950's taken at a gathering of ranking Baha'i in Paris, France. The gentleman in front of him that he is speaking to is Joel Marangella, another controversial Baha'i who was later like his mentor Remey ex-communicated as a "covenant" breaker. [Remey is the tall white haired gentleman at centre-point.]
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/12/2011 12:32AM by Brody Levesque.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
ThePrints
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Date: July 12, 2011 01:33PM
Has anyone uploaded a scan of the prints that have been discussed as of late?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
ThePrints
()
Date: July 12, 2011 01:34PM
**The blue prints that is :p
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: July 12, 2011 08:55PM
WASHINGTON DC
JULY 12th, 2011
Re: "Has anyone uploaded a scan of the prints {blueprints} that have been discussed as of late?"
Dear Folks,
The construction blueprints were loaned to me personally by the current owner of them with the assurances given from me that all care would be taken to preserve and conserve them.
I was fortunately able to convince a noted NYC architectural & civil engineering design firm to digitise the prints pro bono. However, as is often the case, because of the gracious nature and treatment I have been afforded by the firm, I am quite reluctant to ask the firm to "speed" up the process.
I assure you, that once I am able, I shall attempt to post the results here although the digitised conversion into a jpeg or png format may not be small enough, even by means of reduction to post depending on the outcome or final size of the digitised images. Should that not work, I'll attempt to find a way to display the results.
Thanks for your collective patience.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/12/2011 09:43PM by Brody Levesque.
JULY 12th, 2011
Re: "Has anyone uploaded a scan of the prints {blueprints} that have been discussed as of late?"
Dear Folks,
The construction blueprints were loaned to me personally by the current owner of them with the assurances given from me that all care would be taken to preserve and conserve them.
I was fortunately able to convince a noted NYC architectural & civil engineering design firm to digitise the prints pro bono. However, as is often the case, because of the gracious nature and treatment I have been afforded by the firm, I am quite reluctant to ask the firm to "speed" up the process.
I assure you, that once I am able, I shall attempt to post the results here although the digitised conversion into a jpeg or png format may not be small enough, even by means of reduction to post depending on the outcome or final size of the digitised images. Should that not work, I'll attempt to find a way to display the results.
Thanks for your collective patience.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/12/2011 09:43PM by Brody Levesque.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bean around
()
Date: July 13, 2011 04:01AM
this thread is by and far the most interesting to come off the board in awhile,any plans to turn the plans into a 3-d walk through .making remey's dream come to life after all the generations disrespecting his families shrine it would be quite something to make it live agian in all it's pristine glory in the virtual world.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Fffxst
()
Date: July 14, 2011 12:22AM
I've recently have been looking more into "the Crypts" and from the pictures of the two men climbing down from the enterance you see a gate. I also was looking at the plans and saw that beyond the cinderblock wall, beyond the enterance chamber and past the remey and mason chapels there are three (3) simmilar markings that look simmilar to the enterance gate. As KFernandes mentiond, he saw a large metal gate, this could possibally be where he's speaking of. I could be wrong on the number of gates, but mabey remey wanted to really gaurd what's behind that gate(s).
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brain
()
Date: July 17, 2011 08:20PM
I'm hoping one day someone with really good computer imagery skills can transpose the original construction blueprints into a computer generated 3D tour of the Remeum - as it looked in its prime. Along with 3D cutaway imagery showing the inner structure as it still is today. Ground penetrating radar might also be a fun and non-intrusive method of gathering information.
Whats that show? History Detectives or something?
Sounds like part of an upcoming documentary.
John B.
Whats that show? History Detectives or something?
Sounds like part of an upcoming documentary.
John B.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S
()
Date: July 28, 2011 05:20PM
Had a great conversation on the phone with Brody Levesque last night.
Brody, you are very much appreciated by many of us here! You have become our unofficial researcher and archivist. I am hoping to be back in Fairfax by the end of August, so I will digitize the books we discussed and get them to you so you can continue your quest and feed us more morsels!
If anyone (especially k.fernandes) has info, please contact Brody. He has been very discreet with discussions I have had with him and he keeps me in the loop on new information. Every week, new information is providing the pieces of the puzzle that was Charles Mason Remey, and especially for us, the Remeum...
Brody, you are very much appreciated by many of us here! You have become our unofficial researcher and archivist. I am hoping to be back in Fairfax by the end of August, so I will digitize the books we discussed and get them to you so you can continue your quest and feed us more morsels!
If anyone (especially k.fernandes) has info, please contact Brody. He has been very discreet with discussions I have had with him and he keeps me in the loop on new information. Every week, new information is providing the pieces of the puzzle that was Charles Mason Remey, and especially for us, the Remeum...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
David Bradley
()
Date: August 11, 2011 07:11PM
I haven't had time to read through the entire thread yet so I won't waste time here by repeating what's probably already been said about the Remey Crypt. My recollection from when I was there in the late 70s and early 1980 was that the place looked like it had been sacked more than once, and there was no sign of multiple levels. But it may be that some of the place had already been blocked off by then. I went in there a few times to film things for a project some friends and I were working on our senior year (spring 1980); unfortunately, none of the footage we shot in there developed.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
David Bradley
()
Date: August 12, 2011 11:08AM
Okay, I went through the thread last night and, just like when I went to the crypts years ago and did a little research on the place at the Fairfax library's Virginia room in the 90s, I always come back to the same questions:
First, if the place was as spectacular as it is described, why is it so hard to track down any photographs of it taken before demolition work was done?
Second, what made it more of a target for vandalism than other churches, cemeteries, etc. in the area?
And if it was such a draw for vandals that the church wanted to get rid of the place, why did they then do such a bad demolition job? By the time I was going in there it had been five years since Remey's timeline to vacate had expired and all we had to do to get in the place was crawl through a very exposed entrance, and some of the people in this thread indicate they were still getting in a decade after that. You'd think people who wanted to end the trespassing would have done something more than they did in this case.
By the way, I'm sure I read something in the Virginia room that said no bodies were ever interred in the Remey Tomb, because it was never completed.
First, if the place was as spectacular as it is described, why is it so hard to track down any photographs of it taken before demolition work was done?
Second, what made it more of a target for vandalism than other churches, cemeteries, etc. in the area?
And if it was such a draw for vandals that the church wanted to get rid of the place, why did they then do such a bad demolition job? By the time I was going in there it had been five years since Remey's timeline to vacate had expired and all we had to do to get in the place was crawl through a very exposed entrance, and some of the people in this thread indicate they were still getting in a decade after that. You'd think people who wanted to end the trespassing would have done something more than they did in this case.
By the way, I'm sure I read something in the Virginia room that said no bodies were ever interred in the Remey Tomb, because it was never completed.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S
()
Date: August 12, 2011 11:39AM
David Bradley,
- We are sure there are many more photos from when it was in better shape, but those people would be at least 60 years old, still have the pictures, and looking for this topic on the internet. Hopefully, they will trickle in...
- It was more of a target because in the '50's and 60's, that area was still all farmland and Fairfax County had a small force compared to today. The Remeum was in the woods, isolated from view of any roads.
- Pohick Church was still recovering financially in the 70's, so they couldn't afford a proper demolition.
- There were remains of the Remey family interred in the Remeum, including CMR's wife. They were removed prior to the 1973 demolition.
- The Remeums structure was completed. Charles Mason Remey was still having cosmetic things finished, and then wanted to start the second phase, a Bahai Temple erected on the underground portion of the Remeum. This is what caused the uproar from Pohick Church and started the legal battles between the church and CMR.
- We are sure there are many more photos from when it was in better shape, but those people would be at least 60 years old, still have the pictures, and looking for this topic on the internet. Hopefully, they will trickle in...
- It was more of a target because in the '50's and 60's, that area was still all farmland and Fairfax County had a small force compared to today. The Remeum was in the woods, isolated from view of any roads.
- Pohick Church was still recovering financially in the 70's, so they couldn't afford a proper demolition.
- There were remains of the Remey family interred in the Remeum, including CMR's wife. They were removed prior to the 1973 demolition.
- The Remeums structure was completed. Charles Mason Remey was still having cosmetic things finished, and then wanted to start the second phase, a Bahai Temple erected on the underground portion of the Remeum. This is what caused the uproar from Pohick Church and started the legal battles between the church and CMR.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: August 13, 2011 12:47AM
WASHINGTON DC
AUGUST 13th, 2011
Re: David Bradley's questions regarding Remeum.
Dear Mr. Bradley,
I'd like to take an opportunity to answer your questions & statements on a line by line basis.
You asked: "First, if the place was as spectacular as it is described, why is it so hard to track down any photographs of it taken before demolition work was done?"
My staff and I have been researching this subject- the Remeum- for nearly a year and one of the discouraging aspects in terms of documentation regarding this project has been the utter lack of photographic evidence of not only the construction phase, but ultimately the final design execution.
I also need to note that the demolition was actually done over a nearly 10 year period of time and in phases if you will. In the first phase, the outer courtyard & gardens were demolished, the rubble being shoved into the down-slope area to the south and west from the obelisk. (Towards the direction of the Lower Potomac Sewage & Water Treatment facility.)
The next phase would have removal of the inner atrium's walls courtyard, and main entrance which would have left the hole that the kids utilised as seen in the pictures contained here on this thread.
The final phase, which was carried out in 1983 by Shirley Contracting Corporation that built what is now the mounded terrain that you find today.
You then asked: "Second, what made it more of a target for vandalism than other churches, cemeteries, etc. in the area? "
This is the basis for the urban legend itself. Which was prompted by the word of mouth stories over the period of 1968 through to 1983. The other critical factor was its isolated location off what was still a largely rural landscape until the early 1980's when the housing tracts around the parish expanded greatly and rapidly.
As far as the various incomplete demolitions? Money. Pure & simple, the initial demolition work was carried out by parishioners & associates who quite obviously did the work "on the cheap" as it were. The final demolition in 1983 by Shirley Contracting actually incurred a significant cost for the parish.
The remains were removed in 1968 and in 1969 by Remey's brother-in-law, Admiral John R. Wadleigh at the request of Mason Remey and in accordance with the terms of the federal court settlement between Remey and the parish. Including Remey's late spouse who was relocated to the parish cemetery, there were 15 additional remains removed and reinterred in a Mason family plot in Pompey, New York.
Your overall questions are still quite valid sir- particularly why no-one stopped the vandalism. Then too, there remains the central question; "Why did Mason Remey build the Remeum in the first place?"
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/13/2011 11:38AM by Brody Levesque.
AUGUST 13th, 2011
Re: David Bradley's questions regarding Remeum.
Dear Mr. Bradley,
I'd like to take an opportunity to answer your questions & statements on a line by line basis.
You asked: "First, if the place was as spectacular as it is described, why is it so hard to track down any photographs of it taken before demolition work was done?"
My staff and I have been researching this subject- the Remeum- for nearly a year and one of the discouraging aspects in terms of documentation regarding this project has been the utter lack of photographic evidence of not only the construction phase, but ultimately the final design execution.
I also need to note that the demolition was actually done over a nearly 10 year period of time and in phases if you will. In the first phase, the outer courtyard & gardens were demolished, the rubble being shoved into the down-slope area to the south and west from the obelisk. (Towards the direction of the Lower Potomac Sewage & Water Treatment facility.)
The next phase would have removal of the inner atrium's walls courtyard, and main entrance which would have left the hole that the kids utilised as seen in the pictures contained here on this thread.
The final phase, which was carried out in 1983 by Shirley Contracting Corporation that built what is now the mounded terrain that you find today.
You then asked: "Second, what made it more of a target for vandalism than other churches, cemeteries, etc. in the area? "
This is the basis for the urban legend itself. Which was prompted by the word of mouth stories over the period of 1968 through to 1983. The other critical factor was its isolated location off what was still a largely rural landscape until the early 1980's when the housing tracts around the parish expanded greatly and rapidly.
As far as the various incomplete demolitions? Money. Pure & simple, the initial demolition work was carried out by parishioners & associates who quite obviously did the work "on the cheap" as it were. The final demolition in 1983 by Shirley Contracting actually incurred a significant cost for the parish.
The remains were removed in 1968 and in 1969 by Remey's brother-in-law, Admiral John R. Wadleigh at the request of Mason Remey and in accordance with the terms of the federal court settlement between Remey and the parish. Including Remey's late spouse who was relocated to the parish cemetery, there were 15 additional remains removed and reinterred in a Mason family plot in Pompey, New York.
Your overall questions are still quite valid sir- particularly why no-one stopped the vandalism. Then too, there remains the central question; "Why did Mason Remey build the Remeum in the first place?"
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/13/2011 11:38AM by Brody Levesque.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
David Bradley
()
Date: August 16, 2011 10:43AM
Thanks Mr. Levesque, I appreciate your response.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jgr007
()
Date: August 16, 2011 09:59PM
There is aerial photography of the county from 1937, 1943 and 1957. 1943 has only partial coverage, but if 1943 covers Pohick Church it likely would include imagery during construction. If someone wants to spend some bucks they might find it. It's 2ft resolution so there won't be much detail, but it may confirm the extents of the tomb. Link to Fairfax GIS:
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/maps/county/pricelist2009.pdf
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/maps/county/pricelist2009.pdf
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
William Howard Taft
()
Date: August 26, 2011 03:11PM
I mentioned somewhere in the wayback posts here I visited Pohick church some time in the 90's and spent about an hour hanging out with a caretaker, talking about the church in general, and eventually the rumored hidden tomb. I don't come off like the type who is going to run out and dig it up, so he gave me a few vague bits of info. After telling me "it's all still down there, we just buried it" he said one person was specifically NOT removed, which is why they still consider it a burial site to be respected as such. Several years later I learned the one left behind was someone named Gertrude (not knowing who Remey was at the time, this was pre-Internets). I bring this up because it has been mentioned that she was re-interred at Pohick prior to demolition. Now that we know the demolition was far from complete, has anyone verified she has a spot in the graveyard?
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/26/2011 03:12PM by William Howard Taft.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: August 26, 2011 11:20PM
WASHINGTON DC
August 26th
re: "Now that we know the demolition was far from complete, has anyone verified she has a spot in the graveyard?"
Dear Mr. Taft,
The answer is an absolute and qualified yes. If you view page number six of this ongoing saga here on this FFU thread, Steve Seman has provided a picture of her gravesite which is marked by the plaque that originally was embedded in the wall behind her sarcophagus in the Remeum.
When Admiral Wadleigh removed the family remains, he had Mrs. Remey's reinterred in the Pohick Church's parish graveyard. The Admiral also had a bench that was originally located in the Remeum's reflection courtyard gardens moved to a spot a few feet down the hillside from Mrs. Remey's grave adjacent to the cemetery's access road.
I trust this answers your question.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/26/2011 11:20PM by Brody Levesque.
August 26th
re: "Now that we know the demolition was far from complete, has anyone verified she has a spot in the graveyard?"
Dear Mr. Taft,
The answer is an absolute and qualified yes. If you view page number six of this ongoing saga here on this FFU thread, Steve Seman has provided a picture of her gravesite which is marked by the plaque that originally was embedded in the wall behind her sarcophagus in the Remeum.
When Admiral Wadleigh removed the family remains, he had Mrs. Remey's reinterred in the Pohick Church's parish graveyard. The Admiral also had a bench that was originally located in the Remeum's reflection courtyard gardens moved to a spot a few feet down the hillside from Mrs. Remey's grave adjacent to the cemetery's access road.
I trust this answers your question.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/26/2011 11:20PM by Brody Levesque.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
CWJ
()
Date: August 28, 2011 07:11AM
Please, please folks. Its as if the teacher left the classroom, and all productivity went right out the door. Please do not destroy this extremely important venue of communication like the vandels of the Remeum. Reading an arguement is a huge turnoff after reading 6 pages of amazingly unknown, and undiscussed historical events.
Please class..................shhhhhhh.
Please class..................shhhhhhh.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve S.
()
Date: August 28, 2011 07:56PM
These are photos of Charles Mason Remey's Sarcophagus. It is still in the Remeum. It weighs 30 Tons and was sculpted in Portugal...
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
fivestroke
()
Date: August 29, 2011 10:43AM
Not sure if this was mentioned before, but if you go to http://www.historicaerials.com/ and enter the church address you can see images from as far back as 1962. It really give perspective on the size of the thing, and you can see it decay over the years.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: August 29, 2011 10:55AM
Once I heard that Shirly Contracting had done the final stage of the demo-work in '83, I used some of my connections in the construction industry to see if there was anyone at Shirley Contracting who had been involved in the work. After a couple of phone calls, I learned that there's no one with the company that has been there that long. I thought it was worth a shot though.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: August 29, 2011 11:34AM
WASHINGTON DC
August 29th, 2011
Dear Mr. Sculler,
Unfortunately I encountered the same difficulties although a resourceful person at CLARK construction inc., which is now the parent company as it had acquired Shirley Contracting inc., was able to track down the demolitions expert that I traveled to Baltimore to interview.
I am fairly convinced that he was in fact the very last person to lay eyes on the entire complex just prior to the final 'burial' slash demo.
I am still gathering oral and written stories from anyone who had participated in the "activities" aka: party at the crypts- at the Remeum with particular interest in speaking to anyone who had gained entrance prior to 1968.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
E-mail: theroadtraveler@gmail.com
phone: 202 556 0877
August 29th, 2011
Dear Mr. Sculler,
Unfortunately I encountered the same difficulties although a resourceful person at CLARK construction inc., which is now the parent company as it had acquired Shirley Contracting inc., was able to track down the demolitions expert that I traveled to Baltimore to interview.
I am fairly convinced that he was in fact the very last person to lay eyes on the entire complex just prior to the final 'burial' slash demo.
I am still gathering oral and written stories from anyone who had participated in the "activities" aka: party at the crypts- at the Remeum with particular interest in speaking to anyone who had gained entrance prior to 1968.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
E-mail: theroadtraveler@gmail.com
phone: 202 556 0877
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: August 30, 2011 08:15AM
Thanks, Brody. If you've already mentioned that you'd tracked down Clark Constr. from what used to be Shirley Contracting earlier is this thread, I apologize for turning over the same rocks you've already looked under. It's just that once I saw that you mentioned Shirley I got excited that I might be of some assistance since I have contacts there. Keep up the good work, thanks again for all the help.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: August 30, 2011 11:19AM
WASHINGTON
August 30th, 2011
Dear Mr. Sculler,
By all means keeping turning those rocks over please!
It's entirely possible that you may encounter a person, say a back-hoe operator or Grad-All operator, even a dump truck driver- who participated in the reburial efforts 28 years ago, who might have information regarding that job.
Every little bit helps, seriously. In all due probability- anyone of those construction types may have even crawled down into the Remeum, just out of human curiosity, and witnessed what the demolitions expert saw.
Hence, another set of eyes to document what that person witnessed... you never know eh?
Thanks for your willingness to research- it is VERY greatly appreciated.
Best Regards,
Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Services LLC
Washington D. C.
202 556 0877
Post Script: I nearly forgot, Mr. Fivestroke, I have contacted the county to see if they have any aerials prior to 1962. In particular during the period 1939 to 1948 when the bulk of the underground was constructed. Thank you for your contributions as well. ~ Brody
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/30/2011 11:22AM by Brody Levesque.
August 30th, 2011
Dear Mr. Sculler,
By all means keeping turning those rocks over please!
It's entirely possible that you may encounter a person, say a back-hoe operator or Grad-All operator, even a dump truck driver- who participated in the reburial efforts 28 years ago, who might have information regarding that job.
Every little bit helps, seriously. In all due probability- anyone of those construction types may have even crawled down into the Remeum, just out of human curiosity, and witnessed what the demolitions expert saw.
Hence, another set of eyes to document what that person witnessed... you never know eh?
Thanks for your willingness to research- it is VERY greatly appreciated.
Best Regards,
Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Services LLC
Washington D. C.
202 556 0877
Post Script: I nearly forgot, Mr. Fivestroke, I have contacted the county to see if they have any aerials prior to 1962. In particular during the period 1939 to 1948 when the bulk of the underground was constructed. Thank you for your contributions as well. ~ Brody
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/30/2011 11:22AM by Brody Levesque.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
William Howard Taft
()
Date: August 30, 2011 05:35PM
Brody Levesque Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Dear Mr. Taft,
>
> The answer is an absolute and qualified yes. If
> you view page number six of this ongoing saga here
> on this FFU thread, Steve Seman has provided a
> picture of her gravesite which is marked by the
> plaque that originally was embedded in the wall
> behind her sarcophagus in the Remeum.
That does answer my question, thank you. The mystery of if and who (if there is one) will just have to be answered in time. I hold to the statement that I was definitely told *someone* was left inside and that it was a burial site not just a remnant, just wasn't told who it was.
The idea that the "someone" might have been a person named Gertrude was purely my own conclusion. Many years ago shortly after high school I read quite a few of the old "hand typed" interview transcripts cataloged in the Prince William County Virginiana Room, it may be where I originally found her name. I very rarely visited Fairfax library, so most of my local knowledge came from the collections in PWC and Leesburg.
What I *think* I remember but am not certain of is that he might have mentioned it was a real mess down there (this was not a formal conversation). I say that because I've always had a very clear idea in the back of my head long before finding this forum that the Remeum had been ransacked, and that they may not have been able to identify some of the found remains.
Thanks again for all this research you're doing, and to everyone else throwing in! This is a local legend I've been interested in for decades.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Dear Mr. Taft,
>
> The answer is an absolute and qualified yes. If
> you view page number six of this ongoing saga here
> on this FFU thread, Steve Seman has provided a
> picture of her gravesite which is marked by the
> plaque that originally was embedded in the wall
> behind her sarcophagus in the Remeum.
That does answer my question, thank you. The mystery of if and who (if there is one) will just have to be answered in time. I hold to the statement that I was definitely told *someone* was left inside and that it was a burial site not just a remnant, just wasn't told who it was.
The idea that the "someone" might have been a person named Gertrude was purely my own conclusion. Many years ago shortly after high school I read quite a few of the old "hand typed" interview transcripts cataloged in the Prince William County Virginiana Room, it may be where I originally found her name. I very rarely visited Fairfax library, so most of my local knowledge came from the collections in PWC and Leesburg.
What I *think* I remember but am not certain of is that he might have mentioned it was a real mess down there (this was not a formal conversation). I say that because I've always had a very clear idea in the back of my head long before finding this forum that the Remeum had been ransacked, and that they may not have been able to identify some of the found remains.
Thanks again for all this research you're doing, and to everyone else throwing in! This is a local legend I've been interested in for decades.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ross Gordon
()
Date: September 03, 2011 07:12PM
I was a student at Annandale High School from 1969 to 1972.In 1970 I went with a few friends to the crypt because we had heard all kinds of wild stories about it being out in the woods and scary as hell.Being teens and afraid of nothing we went out there one weekend night to see for ourselves.We parked down the street from the church and walked down to a road that went into the woods.There was a house off to the left that we were told was the church caretakers so we quietly went down an overgrown pathway until we reached the crypt itself.We were able to get over the wall close to the iron gates and once inside found a massive courtyard that contained many statues and marble figurines.At the right end of the courtyard was a wall with 2 huge marble lions guarding the entrance to the tomb itself.One of the lions was as if asleep while the other looked wide awake and looking right at us! I will never forget those lions!!
A hole had already been knocked in the brick wall so the 6 of us lowered ourselves into the crypt.We only had one flashlight between us and I remember seeing alot of debris along with a few broken statues and what looked like marble coffins.In one of the rooms was what looked like a child's marble coffin with a sleeping angel as the top.
The crypt was the creepiest place I have ever seen and I was glad to get outside to the fresh air again.It was a place I have never forgotten and a story I have told quite a few times over the years.Very sad to hear that it has been covered over.It would have made a fortune as tourist attraction.
A hole had already been knocked in the brick wall so the 6 of us lowered ourselves into the crypt.We only had one flashlight between us and I remember seeing alot of debris along with a few broken statues and what looked like marble coffins.In one of the rooms was what looked like a child's marble coffin with a sleeping angel as the top.
The crypt was the creepiest place I have ever seen and I was glad to get outside to the fresh air again.It was a place I have never forgotten and a story I have told quite a few times over the years.Very sad to hear that it has been covered over.It would have made a fortune as tourist attraction.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
William Howard Taft
()
Date: September 06, 2011 11:17PM
In case any of you are planning a visit
http://www.weatherforyou.com/reports/index.php?country=us&state=va&pands=wxnbh982520&from=wxnbh
I found this listing in a simple Google search. Remey Tomb, Virginia, United States. As if "Remey Tomb" were a town or some spot of touristy interest. I thought that was kind of funny/sad. There is actually even a slot to review "Remey Tomb" on Google Places.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/20/2011 07:44PM by William Howard Taft.
http://www.weatherforyou.com/reports/index.php?country=us&state=va&pands=wxnbh982520&from=wxnbh
I found this listing in a simple Google search. Remey Tomb, Virginia, United States. As if "Remey Tomb" were a town or some spot of touristy interest. I thought that was kind of funny/sad. There is actually even a slot to review "Remey Tomb" on Google Places.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/20/2011 07:44PM by William Howard Taft.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
brentp
()
Date: September 07, 2011 12:34AM
That 30 ton marble sarcophagus must have been a MONSTER to move into that underground area and set it up. Three 10 ton pieces or thereabouts. And I believe I am right that it stayed behind --- he never retrieved it, it was buried along with all of the other statuary, right? None of that expensive statuary was removed before the crypt reverted to the church? Anyone know when those photos of the sarcophagus being carved in Lisbon were taken? i.e. during what decade -- 50's?
Thanks
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/07/2011 12:37AM by brentp.
Thanks
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/07/2011 12:37AM by brentp.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
not gonna tell
()
Date: September 07, 2011 11:55AM
Some time ago I went metal detecting around this place.
The most interesting thing I found was what must have been the latreen the workers set up. It was the remains of a ditch and I pulled maybe 60 cents worth of wheat back pennies out. My thoughts were that the workes didn't drop their pants all the way down when pooping and the fell into the hole.
Before any of you "at home sick from school" punks respond with a dumb remark, they didn't smell of poo. I didn't taste them either
The most interesting thing I found was what must have been the latreen the workers set up. It was the remains of a ditch and I pulled maybe 60 cents worth of wheat back pennies out. My thoughts were that the workes didn't drop their pants all the way down when pooping and the fell into the hole.
Before any of you "at home sick from school" punks respond with a dumb remark, they didn't smell of poo. I didn't taste them either
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
6X
()
Date: September 07, 2011 02:53PM
I know I took pictures in the 70's. Finding them could be the hard thing.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ross Gordon
()
Date: September 07, 2011 02:57PM
I wonder if Pohick Church would be interested in selling the property on which the crypt sits. It seems a reasonable solution to their problem of trespassers on the property and in this depressed economy,money in the church's pocket.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
mancannon
()
Date: September 07, 2011 04:06PM
hell, if i had the money, i'd build a crypt eerily similar to terracentre and make people pay admission, so far it seems like people would pay just to go there. id get rich off of that little scheme
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: September 08, 2011 02:07AM
WASHINGTON DC
SEPT 8th 2011
Re: Pictures of CMR's Sarcophagus; "Anyone know when those photos of the sarcophagus being carved in Lisbon were taken?"
Dear Brent,
According to the U. S. Customs records and the paperwork that Mason Remey self-published in which there were details regarding his sarcophagus, it was installed in the Remeum sometime in 1954. There are as of yet, no references to dating photographs of the sarcophagus in Remey's records that have been researched thus far.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
SEPT 8th 2011
Re: Pictures of CMR's Sarcophagus; "Anyone know when those photos of the sarcophagus being carved in Lisbon were taken?"
Dear Brent,
According to the U. S. Customs records and the paperwork that Mason Remey self-published in which there were details regarding his sarcophagus, it was installed in the Remeum sometime in 1954. There are as of yet, no references to dating photographs of the sarcophagus in Remey's records that have been researched thus far.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Maverick1
()
Date: September 08, 2011 08:57AM
Brent and Brody, My recollection from visting the crypts in the early 80's (I'm the guy holding the flashlight in the newspaper article) is that all of the art work was already substantially damaged prior to the demolition. I can't imagine there was any artwork left that would be worth the huge expense involved in moving it. I'd hate to see the bill for moving that 30 ton sarcophagus. From reading this thread and the articles I gather no one, not even his family, really cared about documenting the Remey legacy in this monumental way. With all due respect to Admiral Remey's service, his stature is appropriately honored and remembered in Arlington Cemetery. I suspect something as collossal as the Remeum would be a source of embarrasement for him, especially in it's state today. All I can think of is that perhaps the guilt of inherited wealth along with some kooky outlooks on life and death are what drove Charles Mason Remey to build something like this. Remey was a weird, eccentric guy.
brentp Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> That 30 ton marble sarcophagus must have been a
> MONSTER to move into that underground area and set
> it up. Three 10 ton pieces or thereabouts. And I
> believe I am right that it stayed behind --- he
> never retrieved it, it was buried along with all
> of the other statuary, right? None of that
> expensive statuary was removed before the crypt
> reverted to the church? Anyone know when those
> photos of the sarcophagus being carved in Lisbon
> were taken? i.e. during what decade -- 50's?
>
> Thanks
brentp Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> That 30 ton marble sarcophagus must have been a
> MONSTER to move into that underground area and set
> it up. Three 10 ton pieces or thereabouts. And I
> believe I am right that it stayed behind --- he
> never retrieved it, it was buried along with all
> of the other statuary, right? None of that
> expensive statuary was removed before the crypt
> reverted to the church? Anyone know when those
> photos of the sarcophagus being carved in Lisbon
> were taken? i.e. during what decade -- 50's?
>
> Thanks
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: September 08, 2011 05:28PM
WASHINGTON DC
September 8th, 2011
Dear Gentle folks,
I need to take another moment of your time and gently remind you that the Truro Pohick Parish will indeed prosecute any individual found trespassing on the parish property outside of the recognised public areas of the sanctuary, graveyard, and church yard directly adjacent to the church building itself.
While it may be possible at some future point to petition the vestry to grant a legitimised archaeological exploration of the Remeum for historic records and purposes- it must be noted that any trespass by individuals without parish permission would spoil if not quash any potential approval by the vestry.
The truth is, that at this point, outside of the sole remaining structural evidence of the Remeum's existence which is the obelisk, there is insufficient grounds to tramp around the property for strictly sight-seeing purposes.
I have made an approach to the responsible parish officials to grant my access, accompanied by a parish representative, to the ridge that the Remeum sits on for the purpose of doing a detailed photographic survey, the results of which I shall publish here sharing with all of you.
Note: To Mr. Maverick1- please feel free to call or write me as I'd be quite interested in interviewing you regarding your recollections of your visit to the Remeum as documented in that newspaper article. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
202 556 0877
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
September 8th, 2011
Dear Gentle folks,
I need to take another moment of your time and gently remind you that the Truro Pohick Parish will indeed prosecute any individual found trespassing on the parish property outside of the recognised public areas of the sanctuary, graveyard, and church yard directly adjacent to the church building itself.
While it may be possible at some future point to petition the vestry to grant a legitimised archaeological exploration of the Remeum for historic records and purposes- it must be noted that any trespass by individuals without parish permission would spoil if not quash any potential approval by the vestry.
The truth is, that at this point, outside of the sole remaining structural evidence of the Remeum's existence which is the obelisk, there is insufficient grounds to tramp around the property for strictly sight-seeing purposes.
I have made an approach to the responsible parish officials to grant my access, accompanied by a parish representative, to the ridge that the Remeum sits on for the purpose of doing a detailed photographic survey, the results of which I shall publish here sharing with all of you.
Note: To Mr. Maverick1- please feel free to call or write me as I'd be quite interested in interviewing you regarding your recollections of your visit to the Remeum as documented in that newspaper article. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
202 556 0877
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ross Gordon
()
Date: September 08, 2011 11:28PM
I'm curious Brody,what has been the Parish reaction to all of the renewed interest in the Remeum.Did they approve your photography request? I am in the process of trying to locate photos I took of the Remeum on an afternoon trip in the spring of 1971.Most were of the interior of the courtyard and the statues.Most were in very good shape at that time.As soon as I locate the pictures I will post them.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: September 09, 2011 01:07AM
WASHINGTON DC
September 9th, 2011
Re: "Brody,what has been the Parish reaction to all of the renewed interest in the Remeum"
Dear Mr. Gordon,
I've communicated with a church official whose reaction was polite, tinged with some curiosity, and hesitation regarding my request specifically and as such I am awaiting approval.
Generally, the parish would not be inclined to find themselves in a participatory role as far as the Remeum is concerned. Granted, there are those members of the parish vestry who would be satisfied if the matter remain, pardon the pun, 'buried.'
This is in keeping with the pressure brought to bear on the church by the county of Fairfax's elected and police officials along with numerous community members during that time period 28 plus years ago to address and resolve what was deemed a 'public nuisance.' The negative factors associated with the Remeum is not something the church wants to revisit.
I in fact explained that my interest is purely in a capacity of academic research on the larger subject of Charles Mason Remey, of which, the Remeum played a significant role. I was completely transparent with the church official I spoke with, and disclosed that I was not only publicly discussing the urban legend here on the Fairfax Underground with all of you gentle folks Mr. Gordon, but researching all of the identified repositories of Mason Remey's papers.
I cannot stress enough that there is a significant historical aspect to this wonderfully complex story Mr. Gordon. Not just in terms of the "Party at the crypts" segment- but Mason Remey himself. What was once the basis for an interesting column in a print or digital format has now morphed into a book and a fascinating slice of American history with complex connections to the American nation's history.
As I once said sir earlier in this thread, Remey is like an onion, you just got peel back the layers.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
September 9th, 2011
Re: "Brody,what has been the Parish reaction to all of the renewed interest in the Remeum"
Dear Mr. Gordon,
I've communicated with a church official whose reaction was polite, tinged with some curiosity, and hesitation regarding my request specifically and as such I am awaiting approval.
Generally, the parish would not be inclined to find themselves in a participatory role as far as the Remeum is concerned. Granted, there are those members of the parish vestry who would be satisfied if the matter remain, pardon the pun, 'buried.'
This is in keeping with the pressure brought to bear on the church by the county of Fairfax's elected and police officials along with numerous community members during that time period 28 plus years ago to address and resolve what was deemed a 'public nuisance.' The negative factors associated with the Remeum is not something the church wants to revisit.
I in fact explained that my interest is purely in a capacity of academic research on the larger subject of Charles Mason Remey, of which, the Remeum played a significant role. I was completely transparent with the church official I spoke with, and disclosed that I was not only publicly discussing the urban legend here on the Fairfax Underground with all of you gentle folks Mr. Gordon, but researching all of the identified repositories of Mason Remey's papers.
I cannot stress enough that there is a significant historical aspect to this wonderfully complex story Mr. Gordon. Not just in terms of the "Party at the crypts" segment- but Mason Remey himself. What was once the basis for an interesting column in a print or digital format has now morphed into a book and a fascinating slice of American history with complex connections to the American nation's history.
As I once said sir earlier in this thread, Remey is like an onion, you just got peel back the layers.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
value VS expenses
()
Date: September 09, 2011 11:55AM
Alright, based on what i know about the remeum, even if it was completely excavated, it would have very little value by today's standards, lots of people have the false notion that the remeum is actually exactly the same as it was years ago, just underground, when this is infact, false.
SOME PARTS of the remeum were designed to be underground, in keeping with the traditions of crypts and creepy tombs and such, but the section that was completed and subsequently buried, likely hardly even exists anymore. clay bricks will last underground for about a hundred to a hundred and fifty years, but the mortar binding them together degrades completely after about only fifty years (underground, not on the surface). so if its already been buried for thirty years and was in sorry condition as people say it was, than it is quite likely that attemptiing to excavate the remeum would just result in a disasterous and, quite easily, lethal, cave-in. you see, when a building that has been buried caves in, while you're trying to excavate it, you basically just drop about fifteen feet and then get buried under about five feet of rubble.
The only way to safely approach the remeum would be to try and dig towards the entrance first, and then slowly remove layers of topsoil that were piled on top of it, slowly relieving the stress that has been on the structure for three decades. the stupidest, and i mean the absolute STUPIDEST thing you can do, it try to enter that building. there are two major problems with trying to enter the building. the first and most likely problem is a downward pressure collapse. a collapse from downward pressure would be caused by removing compressed soil from the entryway to allow passage into the remeum, because the building was filled in and buried, the soil INSIDE the building may have actually become a vital structural component to the building and by removing it you would increase likelyhood of a downward pressure collapse. think of it as removing the bottom slice of bread from a sandwich, everything proceeds to fall out of the sandwich.
The other type of collapse would be an upward pressure collapse, and it is slightly less likely but still has a strong possibility of occuring. if you decide to avoid the downward pressure collapse by not entering the remeum, and instead completely excavate the top first, what can happen is the structure will have been compressed downward by the weight of about a thousand tons of earth for thirty years, removing it can cause the building's columns and supports to act like a giant spring, expanding several inches due to the decreased strain, and the sudden motion can cause mortar and columns to crack and shatter, the decreased structural support caused by that sudden upward movement's damage can make the building lose enough support to no longer hold up just the weight of the ceiling, and then the ceiling comes crashing down and kills everyone inside.
Regardless of what anyone does with this new knowledge, i would recommend having the first person to enter the remium be a structural engineer or someone with building experience, to determine the safety factor of the building.
Also, the value of the crypts at this point really isnt anything other than something that looks creepy, and after being underground for so long, it may not even look creepy anymore, it may just be a mound of rubble. the only thing i can guaruantee would still be arround would be the sarcophagus, a solid marble sarcophagus like that would likely be unchanged from its appearance thirty years ago, as solid stone takes thousands of years to erode. but the value of that versus the cost of excavating, there is no comparison, excavating the remeum is, in my opinion, a waste of time
SOME PARTS of the remeum were designed to be underground, in keeping with the traditions of crypts and creepy tombs and such, but the section that was completed and subsequently buried, likely hardly even exists anymore. clay bricks will last underground for about a hundred to a hundred and fifty years, but the mortar binding them together degrades completely after about only fifty years (underground, not on the surface). so if its already been buried for thirty years and was in sorry condition as people say it was, than it is quite likely that attemptiing to excavate the remeum would just result in a disasterous and, quite easily, lethal, cave-in. you see, when a building that has been buried caves in, while you're trying to excavate it, you basically just drop about fifteen feet and then get buried under about five feet of rubble.
The only way to safely approach the remeum would be to try and dig towards the entrance first, and then slowly remove layers of topsoil that were piled on top of it, slowly relieving the stress that has been on the structure for three decades. the stupidest, and i mean the absolute STUPIDEST thing you can do, it try to enter that building. there are two major problems with trying to enter the building. the first and most likely problem is a downward pressure collapse. a collapse from downward pressure would be caused by removing compressed soil from the entryway to allow passage into the remeum, because the building was filled in and buried, the soil INSIDE the building may have actually become a vital structural component to the building and by removing it you would increase likelyhood of a downward pressure collapse. think of it as removing the bottom slice of bread from a sandwich, everything proceeds to fall out of the sandwich.
The other type of collapse would be an upward pressure collapse, and it is slightly less likely but still has a strong possibility of occuring. if you decide to avoid the downward pressure collapse by not entering the remeum, and instead completely excavate the top first, what can happen is the structure will have been compressed downward by the weight of about a thousand tons of earth for thirty years, removing it can cause the building's columns and supports to act like a giant spring, expanding several inches due to the decreased strain, and the sudden motion can cause mortar and columns to crack and shatter, the decreased structural support caused by that sudden upward movement's damage can make the building lose enough support to no longer hold up just the weight of the ceiling, and then the ceiling comes crashing down and kills everyone inside.
Regardless of what anyone does with this new knowledge, i would recommend having the first person to enter the remium be a structural engineer or someone with building experience, to determine the safety factor of the building.
Also, the value of the crypts at this point really isnt anything other than something that looks creepy, and after being underground for so long, it may not even look creepy anymore, it may just be a mound of rubble. the only thing i can guaruantee would still be arround would be the sarcophagus, a solid marble sarcophagus like that would likely be unchanged from its appearance thirty years ago, as solid stone takes thousands of years to erode. but the value of that versus the cost of excavating, there is no comparison, excavating the remeum is, in my opinion, a waste of time
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ross Gordon
()
Date: September 09, 2011 04:42PM
Thank you Brody for your research into such an interesting subject as the Remeum and the man who built it,Charles Mason Remey.
I stumbled upon this thread purely by accident after telling friends about the tomb and wondering if it still existed.I'm now hooked on this thread and look forward to future findings.
Good luck with your research!
I stumbled upon this thread purely by accident after telling friends about the tomb and wondering if it still existed.I'm now hooked on this thread and look forward to future findings.
Good luck with your research!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
6X
()
Date: September 13, 2011 08:06PM
I haven't found my pictures, but I found these on FB "Annandale, Va." Fun times.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hayfield Farm Gun Club
()
Date: September 13, 2011 08:16PM
Brain Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm hoping one day someone with really good
> computer imagery skills can transpose the original
> construction blueprints into a computer generated
> 3D tour of the Remeum - as it looked in its prime.
Any Google Sketchup gurus on this site?
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm hoping one day someone with really good
> computer imagery skills can transpose the original
> construction blueprints into a computer generated
> 3D tour of the Remeum - as it looked in its prime.
Any Google Sketchup gurus on this site?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
16thGen
()
Date: September 16, 2011 01:34PM
You should be ashamed of yourselves. Curiosity is one thing, vandalizing final resting places of my family & ancestors is another. You are the exact reason the mosoleum had to be leveled & kept a semi secret. You want a thrill- go to Bunny Man bridge. Don't deface memorials to the deceased. Would you like to see pictures of some idiot mocking, destroying, and ripping apart your mother, aunt, uncles tombstOne??? Why don't I locate your families burial sites & anonymously upload a photo of my self taking a steaming shit on their graves!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Eugene
()
Date: September 16, 2011 01:47PM
Hayfield Farm Gun Club Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Brain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm hoping one day someone with really good
> > computer imagery skills can transpose the
> original
> > construction blueprints into a computer
> generated
> > 3D tour of the Remeum - as it looked in its
> prime.
>
> Any Google Sketchup gurus on this site?
I am a Google Sketchup guru. How may I help you?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Brain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm hoping one day someone with really good
> > computer imagery skills can transpose the
> original
> > construction blueprints into a computer
> generated
> > 3D tour of the Remeum - as it looked in its
> prime.
>
> Any Google Sketchup gurus on this site?
I am a Google Sketchup guru. How may I help you?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Tyrone
()
Date: September 18, 2011 11:22PM
Troll harder newby.
16thGen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You should be ashamed of yourselves. Curiosity is
> one thing, vandalizing final resting places of my
> family & ancestors is another. You are the exact
> reason the mosoleum had to be leveled & kept a
> semi secret. You want a thrill- go to Bunny Man
> bridge. Don't deface memorials to the deceased.
> Would you like to see pictures of some idiot
> mocking, destroying, and ripping apart your
> mother, aunt, uncles tombstOne??? Why don't I
> locate your families burial sites & anonymously
> upload a photo of my self taking a steaming shit
> on their graves!
16thGen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You should be ashamed of yourselves. Curiosity is
> one thing, vandalizing final resting places of my
> family & ancestors is another. You are the exact
> reason the mosoleum had to be leveled & kept a
> semi secret. You want a thrill- go to Bunny Man
> bridge. Don't deface memorials to the deceased.
> Would you like to see pictures of some idiot
> mocking, destroying, and ripping apart your
> mother, aunt, uncles tombstOne??? Why don't I
> locate your families burial sites & anonymously
> upload a photo of my self taking a steaming shit
> on their graves!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
PMC
()
Date: September 21, 2011 09:48PM
Man the place needs to rest all this of re opening is nonsence.Its old VA. history and was cool to go to in 60s but times have changed so much sence then let the crypts rest in peace.It will never come back as it was.RIP Crypts...PMC..
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Sculler
()
Date: September 22, 2011 07:18AM
Wow, thanks for the wet blanket. If you have any other useless and grammatically incorrect contributions you'd like to make, PMC (or is it "Debby Downer"?), please feel free to take your complete lack of sense of adventure somewhere else.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
SootEnTye
()
Date: September 23, 2011 02:31PM
When is the last date that anyone actually visited the site? As far as i can tell the last time was shortly after they posted the no trespassing signs about a year ago or so?
Would love to see if all the rain water and flooding we have had recently has not done something to the hole or the mound.
Would love to see if all the rain water and flooding we have had recently has not done something to the hole or the mound.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
PMC
()
Date: September 23, 2011 10:34PM
HEY FUCK FACE MAYBE YOU SHOULD FIND OUT WHO AND WHAT PMC IS BEFOR YOU RUN YOUR FAGOT MOUTH PUNK....
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: September 24, 2011 01:33AM
WASHINGTON D.C.
September 24th, 2011
Re: "When is the last date that anyone actually visited the site?"
Dear SootEnTye,
As I stated before, the church official I spoke with last month relayed with crystal clarity that should anyone be caught trespassing- on the Remeum's site- the church will seek full arrest & prosecution.
I have been informed that my request to visit the site, accompanied by a parish representative has been denied and that the current Rector gave a rather emphatic "no" in his declining my request.
Now, as to the second part of your question, the Remeum was constructed under the crest of the higher of two ridges that transit the Pohick parish property- the church sits astride the lower ridge nearest to old Colchester road and U. S. highway One.
Flooding and run-off would therefore not affect the property and as nature has reforested and reclaimed that ridge top, there's most likely negligible damages to the mound and the area.
I would ask, that everyone here be patient as I am hoping that the Rector will relent and allow me access along with a professional videographer so that it is possible to document the site as it appears today.
If there suddenly becomes a nuisance factor created by unauthorised visits to the site, most likely, I imagine that myself or other researchers will continue to be denied access to the grounds.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
September 24th, 2011
Re: "When is the last date that anyone actually visited the site?"
Dear SootEnTye,
As I stated before, the church official I spoke with last month relayed with crystal clarity that should anyone be caught trespassing- on the Remeum's site- the church will seek full arrest & prosecution.
I have been informed that my request to visit the site, accompanied by a parish representative has been denied and that the current Rector gave a rather emphatic "no" in his declining my request.
Now, as to the second part of your question, the Remeum was constructed under the crest of the higher of two ridges that transit the Pohick parish property- the church sits astride the lower ridge nearest to old Colchester road and U. S. highway One.
Flooding and run-off would therefore not affect the property and as nature has reforested and reclaimed that ridge top, there's most likely negligible damages to the mound and the area.
I would ask, that everyone here be patient as I am hoping that the Rector will relent and allow me access along with a professional videographer so that it is possible to document the site as it appears today.
If there suddenly becomes a nuisance factor created by unauthorised visits to the site, most likely, I imagine that myself or other researchers will continue to be denied access to the grounds.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
postpoppunk
()
Date: September 24, 2011 03:41AM
PMC Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> HEY FUCK FACE MAYBE YOU SHOULD FIND OUT WHO AND
> WHAT PMC IS BEFOR YOU RUN YOUR FAGOT MOUTH
> PUNK....
PMC? Something gay and having to do with a kiddy bike club?
You see "PMC" you have NO power or strength here and probably did not even when you were running with the other costumed fags in "PMC", so go fuck yourself and stop being a dick for no reason...or maybe you are just a dick in general?
I will call your bluff anytime --- make sure to wear your costume and ride your tricycle.
If people want to talk about the crypt, or ANYTHING else for that matter, they can and there is NOTHING you can do about it, period. You have NO SAY in what others discuss or are interested in, in fact, you are actually more like a void of life = NOTHING. They find the crypt interesting and want to know more about it, if you do not like it then do not read it you ignorant cunt.
Now, go get on your scooter and join up with the other guys in costumes and ride around to fail at looking cool - have fun with all that "attention whore" shit...that is why your scooter has loud pipes right?
Real men do not need to be:
Attention whores
Wearing costumes
Riding scooters
Pretending to be tuff'
In a gay a club
We are just MEN, not wanna-be fucking piss-ants like yourself.
-------------------------------------------------------
> HEY FUCK FACE MAYBE YOU SHOULD FIND OUT WHO AND
> WHAT PMC IS BEFOR YOU RUN YOUR FAGOT MOUTH
> PUNK....
PMC? Something gay and having to do with a kiddy bike club?
You see "PMC" you have NO power or strength here and probably did not even when you were running with the other costumed fags in "PMC", so go fuck yourself and stop being a dick for no reason...or maybe you are just a dick in general?
I will call your bluff anytime --- make sure to wear your costume and ride your tricycle.
If people want to talk about the crypt, or ANYTHING else for that matter, they can and there is NOTHING you can do about it, period. You have NO SAY in what others discuss or are interested in, in fact, you are actually more like a void of life = NOTHING. They find the crypt interesting and want to know more about it, if you do not like it then do not read it you ignorant cunt.
Now, go get on your scooter and join up with the other guys in costumes and ride around to fail at looking cool - have fun with all that "attention whore" shit...that is why your scooter has loud pipes right?
Real men do not need to be:
Attention whores
Wearing costumes
Riding scooters
Pretending to be tuff'
In a gay a club
We are just MEN, not wanna-be fucking piss-ants like yourself.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
NovaTrucker
()
Date: September 24, 2011 02:18PM
postpoppunk Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> PMC Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > HEY FUCK FACE MAYBE YOU SHOULD FIND OUT WHO AND
> > WHAT PMC IS BEFOR YOU RUN YOUR FAGOT MOUTH
> > PUNK....
>
>
> PMC? Something gay and having to do with a kiddy
> bike club?
>
> You see "PMC" you have NO power or strength here
> and probably did not even when you were running
> with the other costumed fags in "PMC", so go fuck
> yourself and stop being a dick for no reason...or
> maybe you are just a dick in general?
>
> I will call your bluff anytime --- make sure to
> wear your costume and ride your tricycle.
>
> If people want to talk about the crypt, or
> ANYTHING else for that matter, they can and there
> is NOTHING you can do about it, period. You have
> NO SAY in what others discuss or are interested
> in, in fact, you are actually more like a void of
> life = NOTHING. They find the crypt interesting
> and want to know more about it, if you do not like
> it then do not read it you ignorant cunt.
>
> Now, go get on your scooter and join up with the
> other guys in costumes and ride around to fail at
> looking cool - have fun with all that "attention
> whore" shit...that is why your scooter has loud
> pipes right?
>
> Real men do not need to be:
>
> Attention whores
> Wearing costumes
> Riding scooters
> Pretending to be tuff'
> In a gay a club
>
> We are just MEN, not wanna-be fucking piss-ants
> like yourself.
fucking love it...well said
honestly, pmc has my support to write his opinion on
here just as anyone else...but the "big bad bully" shit
shows what a useless piece of humanity you
really are pmc...just let the 70's go man...we live in a
different world now...not that the previous generations
did anything much good to each other...lol
-------------------------------------------------------
> PMC Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > HEY FUCK FACE MAYBE YOU SHOULD FIND OUT WHO AND
> > WHAT PMC IS BEFOR YOU RUN YOUR FAGOT MOUTH
> > PUNK....
>
>
> PMC? Something gay and having to do with a kiddy
> bike club?
>
> You see "PMC" you have NO power or strength here
> and probably did not even when you were running
> with the other costumed fags in "PMC", so go fuck
> yourself and stop being a dick for no reason...or
> maybe you are just a dick in general?
>
> I will call your bluff anytime --- make sure to
> wear your costume and ride your tricycle.
>
> If people want to talk about the crypt, or
> ANYTHING else for that matter, they can and there
> is NOTHING you can do about it, period. You have
> NO SAY in what others discuss or are interested
> in, in fact, you are actually more like a void of
> life = NOTHING. They find the crypt interesting
> and want to know more about it, if you do not like
> it then do not read it you ignorant cunt.
>
> Now, go get on your scooter and join up with the
> other guys in costumes and ride around to fail at
> looking cool - have fun with all that "attention
> whore" shit...that is why your scooter has loud
> pipes right?
>
> Real men do not need to be:
>
> Attention whores
> Wearing costumes
> Riding scooters
> Pretending to be tuff'
> In a gay a club
>
> We are just MEN, not wanna-be fucking piss-ants
> like yourself.
fucking love it...well said
honestly, pmc has my support to write his opinion on
here just as anyone else...but the "big bad bully" shit
shows what a useless piece of humanity you
really are pmc...just let the 70's go man...we live in a
different world now...not that the previous generations
did anything much good to each other...lol
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hayfield Farm Gun Club
()
Date: September 24, 2011 04:10PM
Eugene Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hayfield Farm Gun Club Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Brain Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I'm hoping one day someone with really good
> > > computer imagery skills can transpose the
> > original
> > > construction blueprints into a computer
> > generated
> > > 3D tour of the Remeum - as it looked in its
> > prime.
> >
> > Any Google Sketchup gurus on this site?
>
>
> I am a Google Sketchup guru. How may I help you?
Brain,
Build me a model of the Remeum in Google Sketchup.
HFGC
P.S. Did you used to work for Booz-Allen, Brain?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hayfield Farm Gun Club Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Brain Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I'm hoping one day someone with really good
> > > computer imagery skills can transpose the
> > original
> > > construction blueprints into a computer
> > generated
> > > 3D tour of the Remeum - as it looked in its
> > prime.
> >
> > Any Google Sketchup gurus on this site?
>
>
> I am a Google Sketchup guru. How may I help you?
Brain,
Build me a model of the Remeum in Google Sketchup.
HFGC
P.S. Did you used to work for Booz-Allen, Brain?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
LB1981
()
Date: September 26, 2011 04:20PM
Fantastic discussion, brings back memories.
Like others, my buddies and I spent time trying to find access to the rumored lower levels. So the drawings posted here indicate that the cinder block wall (or two block walls with dirt in between) was in fact the blocked passage into the remainder of crypt. In hindsight it seems this would have been relatively easy to bust through and dig out the dirt fill; wish we had tried. Anyway, why would this wall have been built at the back of the entrance chamber and not at the first entrance, the one with the pile of dirt and stone that we all had to climb over?
Like others, my buddies and I spent time trying to find access to the rumored lower levels. So the drawings posted here indicate that the cinder block wall (or two block walls with dirt in between) was in fact the blocked passage into the remainder of crypt. In hindsight it seems this would have been relatively easy to bust through and dig out the dirt fill; wish we had tried. Anyway, why would this wall have been built at the back of the entrance chamber and not at the first entrance, the one with the pile of dirt and stone that we all had to climb over?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Larry
()
Date: September 26, 2011 06:32PM
Dear Mr. Levesque,
Thank you for your continued effort and update that is sincerely appreciated amidst... the rest. Please continue with your work and keep us apprised.
Thank you for your continued effort and update that is sincerely appreciated amidst... the rest. Please continue with your work and keep us apprised.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: September 26, 2011 09:41PM
WASHINGTON D.C.
September 26th, 2011
Re: "Why would this wall have been built at the back of the entrance chamber and not at the first entrance, the one with the pile of dirt and stone that we all had to climb over?"
Dear LB1981,
From what information I have been able to put together, the more valuable sculptures and works of art were located further back. There had been some acts of vandalism in the entrance area, although not a scale comparable to those which were to occur after 1974 up until the point that the Pohick parish buried the complex completely.
Perhaps Admiral Wadleigh felt that if access to the rest of the Remeum was blocked, damages would be contained. Of course, this also begs the question why no effort was made to spare the valuable art work, sculptures, and other significant artifacts by simply having them removed.
Fortunately, a family member has been located who has agreed to an interview, and I am hopeful that some of these persistent questions regarding events without substantiation one way or the other can finally be answered.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
September 26th, 2011
Re: "Why would this wall have been built at the back of the entrance chamber and not at the first entrance, the one with the pile of dirt and stone that we all had to climb over?"
Dear LB1981,
From what information I have been able to put together, the more valuable sculptures and works of art were located further back. There had been some acts of vandalism in the entrance area, although not a scale comparable to those which were to occur after 1974 up until the point that the Pohick parish buried the complex completely.
Perhaps Admiral Wadleigh felt that if access to the rest of the Remeum was blocked, damages would be contained. Of course, this also begs the question why no effort was made to spare the valuable art work, sculptures, and other significant artifacts by simply having them removed.
Fortunately, a family member has been located who has agreed to an interview, and I am hopeful that some of these persistent questions regarding events without substantiation one way or the other can finally be answered.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Demetrios T
()
Date: October 10, 2011 02:39PM
Hi Brody I mentioned I have access to someone who may be able to use an underground radar, Of course that would require church permission. I was told by this person that it would probably show the part of the crypts that were behind the cinderblock. Also, here is someone from Alabama, that has access to a satellite which, well, look at the one minute link and you can see where I am going with this. Start drooling! Perhap a phone call from you and she could answer all our questions and you may not need church permission for what she does!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13518143
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13518143
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
WayTooOld
()
Date: October 19, 2011 10:19PM
Well, its been many years since I thought about this place. Ran across this thread and it brought back a lot of memories. I live outside of Richmond. Back in 70, 71, we we rode our ratty Harley choppers up to DC to see attend some otdoor Allman Brothers type of music event. Can't even remember where that was, outside, drank, smoked, etc. We were on our way back and stopped at a roadside honky tonk. A biker type in the bar named Smokey said we had to go by the "Crypt" since we were in the neighborhood. That bar may have been the one Donna Dixon's dad owned cause I rember our bikes were parked right on the edge of the road and traffic seemed to be about a foot away from my front tire. We found the place following Smokey's directions and were able to pull up close to the front. It was pretty trippy (back then) with a few choppers and Hondas and cars parked all over. Lots of "squares" who told us we should go downstairs where the "other guys' were. Saw the casket stuff, candles, lanterns, young kids drunk, high, and being kids, etc. Went downstairs and there were some bikers who didn't make any big impression on us. No "Hells Angels" stuff. A couple of guys with vests and patches. Smoked some weed, had a couple of beers, and that was about it. Pretty much couldnt wait to get out of there and get back on the road to home. Wish I could tell you that it was all that, but I pretty much saw the whole lay out and you guys have covered it more than I can remember. Hope you find what you are looking for, what ever that may be.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Stewie0706
()
Date: October 25, 2011 07:05PM
Folks- This is rather long-winded, so feel free to skip it.
I was turned onto this thread by a friend. I'll offer what little info I have, hoping it may add some color to what Mr. Levesque and the rest of you are assembling. I grew up in Woodbridge, having moved there from out-of-state in 1963. In those days, Lorton was considered a part of our "neighborhood", since we had to drive to Springfield or Alexandria to do any significant shopping or dining. Although we weren't a religious family; my father was, and became a vestryman at Pohick. I'm not sure when he did so, but my earliest recollection of the church goes back to shortly after we moved to town, so I would say it was the mid to late-sixties. As such, Dad certainly would have known about the crypt and probably been involved in some of the later decisions made (as much of what I've read refers to the Vestry being responsible...). I do know that I heard the name of the Bahai Faith around the dinner table when I was way too young to understand or care about such things, but I don't think the crypt was mentioned. My parents wisely (and accurately) probably realized I would have run-off into the woods at the next church picnic looking for it. I did not learn about it until the early seventies, and then it was from friends in high school. I remember we tried to find it once, but our info was incorrect, and we just wandered around the graveyard for awhile searching for it until being chased off by the cops. I never found it, although I wish I had. Mr. Levesque is correct; even in the seventies it was still a pretty rural locale, and the police were spread thing in the area with much higher priorities. Of everyone I knew that went and was caught, I never heard of any arrests.My brother may have first-hand info, as he was considerably older and could drive during those years. I'll check and get him to post if he does. For obvious reasons I never asked my Dad about it (Hey, Dad, can you tell me where the entrance to the big party is?).
It does not surprise me that Pohick is not (and apparently never was)comfortable with the presence of the Remeum. My father was close friends with the Rector at the time, Reverend Jones. I remember him as a no-nonsense cleric who, if my recollection is correct, would probably have abhorred the very thought of a monument to another faith on church property. Set against the backdrop of the significance of Truro Parish in the early history of the Episcople Church in this country, and Pohick's venerable part in that history, their reaction is to be expected; although unfortunate for it's close-mindedness. Perhaps if Mr. Levesque can enlist the aid of a production company from the History Channel, or Nat Geo, etc., they might be able to convince the Church to allow an excavation...then again, probably not, as that might be a little too high-profile.
My father was interred in Pohick in 1994 in what we always referred to as the "new" section. He is very close to the bench and headstone for Gertrude in the pictures from the earlier post. In fact, I often took my mother to visit his grave and we would sit on that bench, never realizing where it came from. This poses some questions in my mind: in 1973, when Gertrude was re-interred, that portion of the cemetery would have been fairly empty (I think). Why was she left over there by herself? And why wasn't she interred where CMR would be able to "join her" at a later date. He clearly intended to do so until he lost the crypt. Perhaps he was denied burial at Pohick due to the earlier strife...
BTW- WayTooOld, you're correct; from your description the honky tonk would have been "Hillbilly Heaven", which featured many big-name country stars before they made it big. I still think it was the inspiration for the one in "The Blues Brothers", as that's how I remember it looked, and Dan Aykroyd (Dixon's husband) visited Donna's family in Lorton and probably saw the bar before it closed down...
I was turned onto this thread by a friend. I'll offer what little info I have, hoping it may add some color to what Mr. Levesque and the rest of you are assembling. I grew up in Woodbridge, having moved there from out-of-state in 1963. In those days, Lorton was considered a part of our "neighborhood", since we had to drive to Springfield or Alexandria to do any significant shopping or dining. Although we weren't a religious family; my father was, and became a vestryman at Pohick. I'm not sure when he did so, but my earliest recollection of the church goes back to shortly after we moved to town, so I would say it was the mid to late-sixties. As such, Dad certainly would have known about the crypt and probably been involved in some of the later decisions made (as much of what I've read refers to the Vestry being responsible...). I do know that I heard the name of the Bahai Faith around the dinner table when I was way too young to understand or care about such things, but I don't think the crypt was mentioned. My parents wisely (and accurately) probably realized I would have run-off into the woods at the next church picnic looking for it. I did not learn about it until the early seventies, and then it was from friends in high school. I remember we tried to find it once, but our info was incorrect, and we just wandered around the graveyard for awhile searching for it until being chased off by the cops. I never found it, although I wish I had. Mr. Levesque is correct; even in the seventies it was still a pretty rural locale, and the police were spread thing in the area with much higher priorities. Of everyone I knew that went and was caught, I never heard of any arrests.My brother may have first-hand info, as he was considerably older and could drive during those years. I'll check and get him to post if he does. For obvious reasons I never asked my Dad about it (Hey, Dad, can you tell me where the entrance to the big party is?).
It does not surprise me that Pohick is not (and apparently never was)comfortable with the presence of the Remeum. My father was close friends with the Rector at the time, Reverend Jones. I remember him as a no-nonsense cleric who, if my recollection is correct, would probably have abhorred the very thought of a monument to another faith on church property. Set against the backdrop of the significance of Truro Parish in the early history of the Episcople Church in this country, and Pohick's venerable part in that history, their reaction is to be expected; although unfortunate for it's close-mindedness. Perhaps if Mr. Levesque can enlist the aid of a production company from the History Channel, or Nat Geo, etc., they might be able to convince the Church to allow an excavation...then again, probably not, as that might be a little too high-profile.
My father was interred in Pohick in 1994 in what we always referred to as the "new" section. He is very close to the bench and headstone for Gertrude in the pictures from the earlier post. In fact, I often took my mother to visit his grave and we would sit on that bench, never realizing where it came from. This poses some questions in my mind: in 1973, when Gertrude was re-interred, that portion of the cemetery would have been fairly empty (I think). Why was she left over there by herself? And why wasn't she interred where CMR would be able to "join her" at a later date. He clearly intended to do so until he lost the crypt. Perhaps he was denied burial at Pohick due to the earlier strife...
BTW- WayTooOld, you're correct; from your description the honky tonk would have been "Hillbilly Heaven", which featured many big-name country stars before they made it big. I still think it was the inspiration for the one in "The Blues Brothers", as that's how I remember it looked, and Dan Aykroyd (Dixon's husband) visited Donna's family in Lorton and probably saw the bar before it closed down...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brose
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Date: October 28, 2011 08:47AM
This is an aerial photo of the Pohich Church from 1937
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Brose
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Date: October 28, 2011 08:49AM
1997 Photo
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Brose
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Date: October 28, 2011 08:50AM
2007 Photo
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Brose
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Date: October 28, 2011 08:52AM
2009 Photo. I was last there somewhere back in 1974- 75 or earlier.
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Posted by:
Rosebud
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Date: October 28, 2011 09:04AM
2007 photo of Pohick Church
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Rosebud
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Date: October 28, 2011 09:06AM
Ok try it again. This is a large file and hope it post. 2007 Photo of Pohich Church.
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Posted by:
Rosebud
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Date: October 28, 2011 09:07AM
this is the latest Photo 2009
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Posted by:
Scott
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Date: October 29, 2011 08:59PM
Brody,
I never went to the crypts, but heard about it at school (LB '82). If Pohick Church ever changes their mind and let you (or anyone else) on the property, I have a friend who's wife is an archeologist. She could possibly be of assistance.
I never went to the crypts, but heard about it at school (LB '82). If Pohick Church ever changes their mind and let you (or anyone else) on the property, I have a friend who's wife is an archeologist. She could possibly be of assistance.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: October 30, 2011 05:11PM
WASHINGTON D. C.
Sunday
October 30th, 2011
Dear Folks,
Please pardon my rather long absence, but work commitments seriously impaired my ability to pop round and update not to mention thank you all for continuing the excellent research assistance and of course personal histories as related to the Remeum.
So,time to catch up, first let me acknowledge Scott, Stewie0706, Demetrios T, and Rosebud/Brose for their input.
On the subject of of the new technology raised by Demetrios T. I contacted that organisation and have made a formal written request. Here's hoping I receive a positive response eh?
Stewie, I rather like the fact that you validated and verified what my staff and I, along with lead researcher Steve Seman, have long felt to be the case in terms of the position of the Truro Pohick Parish regarding the Remeum. That was the fact that the Baha'i aspects were the core to the church demanding the return of the property and Remey's withdrawal. This of course coupled with the rather large edifice he intended to erect above ground.
Rosebud/Brose- would it be possible for you to send me an unedited copy of the 1937 aerial photograph without the legend and the graphical overlay showing the 'modern' features superimposed? I'd sincerely appreciate your doing so, my e-mail is listed below. Scott, mind giving me an e-mail as ell, it would be appreciated.
Also- WaytooOld, thanks for your input as well as it adds to the colour and the story.
Folks, this story now takes up nearly 20 linear feet of research materials, countless hours at several libraries, and even some Freedom Of Information Act requests that were graciously given acquiescence by government agencies in regards to Charles Mason Remey.
I have started writing the story and as I go along I'll put up excerpts here for you to read, enjoy, and by all means, comment on.
My deepest appreciation to everyone here who has contributed, lurked, sent me e-mails, and generally kept this particular thread alive as well as thanks to Cary for his generosity in hosting the FFXU.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
202 556 0877
Sunday
October 30th, 2011
Dear Folks,
Please pardon my rather long absence, but work commitments seriously impaired my ability to pop round and update not to mention thank you all for continuing the excellent research assistance and of course personal histories as related to the Remeum.
So,time to catch up, first let me acknowledge Scott, Stewie0706, Demetrios T, and Rosebud/Brose for their input.
On the subject of of the new technology raised by Demetrios T. I contacted that organisation and have made a formal written request. Here's hoping I receive a positive response eh?
Stewie, I rather like the fact that you validated and verified what my staff and I, along with lead researcher Steve Seman, have long felt to be the case in terms of the position of the Truro Pohick Parish regarding the Remeum. That was the fact that the Baha'i aspects were the core to the church demanding the return of the property and Remey's withdrawal. This of course coupled with the rather large edifice he intended to erect above ground.
Rosebud/Brose- would it be possible for you to send me an unedited copy of the 1937 aerial photograph without the legend and the graphical overlay showing the 'modern' features superimposed? I'd sincerely appreciate your doing so, my e-mail is listed below. Scott, mind giving me an e-mail as ell, it would be appreciated.
Also- WaytooOld, thanks for your input as well as it adds to the colour and the story.
Folks, this story now takes up nearly 20 linear feet of research materials, countless hours at several libraries, and even some Freedom Of Information Act requests that were graciously given acquiescence by government agencies in regards to Charles Mason Remey.
I have started writing the story and as I go along I'll put up excerpts here for you to read, enjoy, and by all means, comment on.
My deepest appreciation to everyone here who has contributed, lurked, sent me e-mails, and generally kept this particular thread alive as well as thanks to Cary for his generosity in hosting the FFXU.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
202 556 0877
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
RustyHammers
()
Date: November 01, 2011 01:19AM
WOW!
this has been a great read, much thanks to all especially Brody you guys are great.
I lived next to the crypts for a few years in the early nineties, there is an arial photo appearing a few times that is referenced as "used in the legal battle between Remey and Pohick church" also labeled as remey.jpg (appears to be a screen shot), my house appears in the upper left hand corner of that picture!
The horrible townhome sub-division to the southwest was not there, actually that land belonged to another church and I had been told that they were going to build a church there as well and consequently there was a building moratorium on the entire stretch of land from Colchester to the existing apartment complex to the southwest (were Melissa Brannon was snatched). I guess the (Baptist? don't recall) church with the adjacent land reconsidered and sold, what a shame.
What a great place to live for such semi-urban surroundings, I had 50 acres for my dogs to run, hunted deer rabbits, squirrels, had a stage and regularly had weekend parties with multiple bands and jambs till 4AM, and of course the crypts!
I probably went to the crypts 150 or more times over three years, everyone who came over wanted to see them there was even a path worn from my backyard to the ruins.When my friends came over if the car was there and the door wa locked they knew the next place to look was at the crypts! Lots of visitors had been in them, but at that present time there was no access and being right next door I knew better than to dig there! I spent a lot of time poking around and contemplating how I could gain entry, now after reading this I regret that I was not more aggressive. Probably for the best anyway.
Lots of my guests had been in them, but no one had ever been to the lower levels. Everyone seemed to know someone who had though. Here are a few typical comments I would get, anecdotal I know but relevant;
*there are five levels but they are sealed up, you can only access the first
*one reason they were vandalized was that there were actually jewels embedded in
walls and statuary, treasure hunt I suppose
*bikers practically lived in them
*you could get lost,or trapped and die
*bones were taken as souveniers
I have learned more in the few hours reading this thread than in my many hours spent there and hearing stories and exagerations. I have to say to anyone who is thinking of going, you will be dissapointed. There is not much there anymore it's like going to see a giant question mark and you might get arrested. This thread has been better than any trip to the crypts ever was.
I disagree with the posters who thinks the underground section is deteriorated and collapsing, you can read from Remey's own obsession with longevity how solid they were built, as well as the support for the structure that was never built. As an accomplished architect he certainly would have made the proper adjustments to his mortar so it wouls last underground, especially in a drained system.
Two million bricks, a typical house is about 10,000 of course facade so lets assume a real brick home would be say 50,000. So 40 homes worth of bricks, just wow! Theres a little perspective on the size of the thing.
Hopefully soon some photos of the lower sections will turn up.
this has been a great read, much thanks to all especially Brody you guys are great.
I lived next to the crypts for a few years in the early nineties, there is an arial photo appearing a few times that is referenced as "used in the legal battle between Remey and Pohick church" also labeled as remey.jpg (appears to be a screen shot), my house appears in the upper left hand corner of that picture!
The horrible townhome sub-division to the southwest was not there, actually that land belonged to another church and I had been told that they were going to build a church there as well and consequently there was a building moratorium on the entire stretch of land from Colchester to the existing apartment complex to the southwest (were Melissa Brannon was snatched). I guess the (Baptist? don't recall) church with the adjacent land reconsidered and sold, what a shame.
What a great place to live for such semi-urban surroundings, I had 50 acres for my dogs to run, hunted deer rabbits, squirrels, had a stage and regularly had weekend parties with multiple bands and jambs till 4AM, and of course the crypts!
I probably went to the crypts 150 or more times over three years, everyone who came over wanted to see them there was even a path worn from my backyard to the ruins.When my friends came over if the car was there and the door wa locked they knew the next place to look was at the crypts! Lots of visitors had been in them, but at that present time there was no access and being right next door I knew better than to dig there! I spent a lot of time poking around and contemplating how I could gain entry, now after reading this I regret that I was not more aggressive. Probably for the best anyway.
Lots of my guests had been in them, but no one had ever been to the lower levels. Everyone seemed to know someone who had though. Here are a few typical comments I would get, anecdotal I know but relevant;
*there are five levels but they are sealed up, you can only access the first
*one reason they were vandalized was that there were actually jewels embedded in
walls and statuary, treasure hunt I suppose
*bikers practically lived in them
*you could get lost,or trapped and die
*bones were taken as souveniers
I have learned more in the few hours reading this thread than in my many hours spent there and hearing stories and exagerations. I have to say to anyone who is thinking of going, you will be dissapointed. There is not much there anymore it's like going to see a giant question mark and you might get arrested. This thread has been better than any trip to the crypts ever was.
I disagree with the posters who thinks the underground section is deteriorated and collapsing, you can read from Remey's own obsession with longevity how solid they were built, as well as the support for the structure that was never built. As an accomplished architect he certainly would have made the proper adjustments to his mortar so it wouls last underground, especially in a drained system.
Two million bricks, a typical house is about 10,000 of course facade so lets assume a real brick home would be say 50,000. So 40 homes worth of bricks, just wow! Theres a little perspective on the size of the thing.
Hopefully soon some photos of the lower sections will turn up.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Mr. Interested
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Date: November 10, 2011 10:09PM
Hello all,
I've lived in this area since the mid 80's and find this story beyond fascinating.
I read the WHOLE thread and have a question that seems obvious to me(Brody this is aimed at you).
How was Remey's bahai religion related to the Christian Pohick Church in the first place? If it wasn't, why did he even start building there on their property? If he was so rich couldn't he just buy the land or build it elsewhere to begin with?
Thanks! Oh how I wish Adventurism would trump old school religious ideals and we could excavate this wonderful treasure!
I've lived in this area since the mid 80's and find this story beyond fascinating.
I read the WHOLE thread and have a question that seems obvious to me(Brody this is aimed at you).
How was Remey's bahai religion related to the Christian Pohick Church in the first place? If it wasn't, why did he even start building there on their property? If he was so rich couldn't he just buy the land or build it elsewhere to begin with?
Thanks! Oh how I wish Adventurism would trump old school religious ideals and we could excavate this wonderful treasure!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jp1416
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Date: November 12, 2011 09:25PM
@Mr. Levesque,
Im a local high-schooler fasinated by the crypts. My Dad visited the crypts when he was my age and he tells me alot about his visits. Is there any new information to share regarding the designs? I read earlier that a company in New York can process the designs, do you know when can we see them?
Im a local high-schooler fasinated by the crypts. My Dad visited the crypts when he was my age and he tells me alot about his visits. Is there any new information to share regarding the designs? I read earlier that a company in New York can process the designs, do you know when can we see them?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
In Living Colour
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Date: November 12, 2011 09:54PM
Brody Levesque Wrote:
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> Also- WaytooOld, thanks for your input as well as
> it adds to the colour and the story.
Are you British, Candian, or just pretentious?
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> Also- WaytooOld, thanks for your input as well as
> it adds to the colour and the story.
Are you British, Candian, or just pretentious?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: November 14, 2011 12:00AM
WASHINGTON D.C.
November 13th, 2011
re: (1) How was Remey's Bahia'i religion related (2) Blueprints (3) Question regarding nationality.
Dear Folks,
A couple of items of interest to all of you. I have been granted permission to interview one of the surviving Baha'i staff who knew Remey personally along with members of the elite ruling council with whom Remey did battle after his attempt to launch his bid to succeed the deceased Shoghi Effendi, who was the Guardian and appointed head of the Bahá'í Faith from 1921 until his death in 1957.
This interview is critical as it will hopefully cast light on the events and intrigue that ended with Remey being essentially ex-communicated as a 'covenant-breaker'and his fall from grace in the global Baha'i religious community.
Which segues into Mr. Interested's question related to reference. (1) Sadly sir, and until I can be granted access to the parish records, specifically the minutes of the meetings of the vestry of the parish- for now, I can only speculate that once the church officials realised the nature and scope of Remey's proposed addition to the existing Remeum, coupled with the very obvious Baha'i chapel, they made efforts to evict him from the property, break the agreement, and then boot him out.
I suspect, but as of yet cannot prove, the Remey most likely lied by omission to the vestry of the parish in 1937 as to the true nature of the Remeum in regards to the Baha'i aspects. In context, Remey approached them with money that was in very short supply in depression era rural Fairfax County. This is difficult for residents of the modern Fairfax County to picture, beings how the very landscape itself has been so drastically altered by progress, in particular within the last 40 years.
In the most likely scenario, Remey shows up after first sending a letter of inquiry and introduction which was standard practise for that era, in a chauffeured Buick, wearing a Brooks Brothers suit, and possessing a urbane worldly air of the upper class wealthy social class of which he was firmly a member of. Now, compare this to the vestry of the 1937 Truro Pohick Church. The majority of these men were simple dairy farmers and merchants of the general store type. A living representation of the fictional Walton family from the 1970's show the Waltons. Someone like Remey would have impressed and sold them on the project especially if he promised to stroke cheques in amounts to help the parish out that there would have been no other way for them to raise that kind of capital.
I can't prove that- yet. But I am fairly positive that the parish records will bear that speculated premise out.
To jp1416, I have spoken to the architectural firm and they will commence digitisation later this month before the holiday.
And finally to In Living Colour's question, which could have given me offence but I have decided to not interpret your intent that way- to answer directly? I am indeed Canadian, raised in Ontario to be specific.
One last item, yes he was extremely wealthy but he had solid reasons for picking that particular country parish. It had a direct connection to George Fairfax, George Mason, and of course George Washington whom, along with others, were responsible for the building of the Church and were members. Remey had a very keen sense of history and especially since his own family was rather prominent, his father having served Civil War naval hero Admiral David Farragut and his maternal grandfather distantly related to the Masons of Gunston Hall, as well as being the first United States Commissioner of Patents and first Chief Justice of the State Of Iowa's Supreme Court. Remey was intent on making his family's mark and have a lasting memorial. Then too there was the Baha'i factor. I am convinced that he wanted a lasting memorial to the contributions he made to that faith, which, by the way, are fairly significant.
And so the research work goes on. My gratitude to all who continue to make this a vibrant and interesting, ongoing discussion.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
PS: For In Living Colour, here is MY family's coat of arms:
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/14/2011 12:03AM by Brody Levesque.
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November 13th, 2011
re: (1) How was Remey's Bahia'i religion related (2) Blueprints (3) Question regarding nationality.
Dear Folks,
A couple of items of interest to all of you. I have been granted permission to interview one of the surviving Baha'i staff who knew Remey personally along with members of the elite ruling council with whom Remey did battle after his attempt to launch his bid to succeed the deceased Shoghi Effendi, who was the Guardian and appointed head of the Bahá'í Faith from 1921 until his death in 1957.
This interview is critical as it will hopefully cast light on the events and intrigue that ended with Remey being essentially ex-communicated as a 'covenant-breaker'and his fall from grace in the global Baha'i religious community.
Which segues into Mr. Interested's question related to reference. (1) Sadly sir, and until I can be granted access to the parish records, specifically the minutes of the meetings of the vestry of the parish- for now, I can only speculate that once the church officials realised the nature and scope of Remey's proposed addition to the existing Remeum, coupled with the very obvious Baha'i chapel, they made efforts to evict him from the property, break the agreement, and then boot him out.
I suspect, but as of yet cannot prove, the Remey most likely lied by omission to the vestry of the parish in 1937 as to the true nature of the Remeum in regards to the Baha'i aspects. In context, Remey approached them with money that was in very short supply in depression era rural Fairfax County. This is difficult for residents of the modern Fairfax County to picture, beings how the very landscape itself has been so drastically altered by progress, in particular within the last 40 years.
In the most likely scenario, Remey shows up after first sending a letter of inquiry and introduction which was standard practise for that era, in a chauffeured Buick, wearing a Brooks Brothers suit, and possessing a urbane worldly air of the upper class wealthy social class of which he was firmly a member of. Now, compare this to the vestry of the 1937 Truro Pohick Church. The majority of these men were simple dairy farmers and merchants of the general store type. A living representation of the fictional Walton family from the 1970's show the Waltons. Someone like Remey would have impressed and sold them on the project especially if he promised to stroke cheques in amounts to help the parish out that there would have been no other way for them to raise that kind of capital.
I can't prove that- yet. But I am fairly positive that the parish records will bear that speculated premise out.
To jp1416, I have spoken to the architectural firm and they will commence digitisation later this month before the holiday.
And finally to In Living Colour's question, which could have given me offence but I have decided to not interpret your intent that way- to answer directly? I am indeed Canadian, raised in Ontario to be specific.
One last item, yes he was extremely wealthy but he had solid reasons for picking that particular country parish. It had a direct connection to George Fairfax, George Mason, and of course George Washington whom, along with others, were responsible for the building of the Church and were members. Remey had a very keen sense of history and especially since his own family was rather prominent, his father having served Civil War naval hero Admiral David Farragut and his maternal grandfather distantly related to the Masons of Gunston Hall, as well as being the first United States Commissioner of Patents and first Chief Justice of the State Of Iowa's Supreme Court. Remey was intent on making his family's mark and have a lasting memorial. Then too there was the Baha'i factor. I am convinced that he wanted a lasting memorial to the contributions he made to that faith, which, by the way, are fairly significant.
And so the research work goes on. My gratitude to all who continue to make this a vibrant and interesting, ongoing discussion.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
PS: For In Living Colour, here is MY family's coat of arms:
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/14/2011 12:03AM by Brody Levesque.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Route 1
()
Date: November 14, 2011 08:15AM
Great stuff, and of course there will be posters who are more fascinated by such things as the alternate spellings of words. As with any learning curve, we all have our different starting points.
In your research, have you discovered much of the history of the Rt 1 area? There are brown signs periodically that designate it "Historic Route 1" and I have read other articles with great interest on this area, that describe such things as the 2 airports in the Hybla Valley area, the Dixie Pig, and the various motels and old redneck bars of this area, it seems, from the 1920's or so.
Would be interested to see what you have found about these things.
In your research, have you discovered much of the history of the Rt 1 area? There are brown signs periodically that designate it "Historic Route 1" and I have read other articles with great interest on this area, that describe such things as the 2 airports in the Hybla Valley area, the Dixie Pig, and the various motels and old redneck bars of this area, it seems, from the 1920's or so.
Would be interested to see what you have found about these things.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
79 R.E Lee Grad
()
Date: November 16, 2011 01:11PM
Mr. Levesque,
I'm the father of jp1416 and have shared my visits to the crypts in 1977-78. I recently found out a friend from our church, who grew up in the Del Ray area of Alexandria visited the crypts about adozen times during the late 60’s and early 70’s. My son and I are going to sit down with our friend and a couple of his pal’s who also visited the crypts during this time frame. Hopefully he will be able to produce some pictures. In the short time I was able to speak to our friend, he mentioned three levels and a very historic event that took place there.
I was wondering if you may have anything you would like to ask him? I can promise you, that you will get the honest truth from this source. My son and I are big fans of this blog and topic, no so much of the Fairfax Underground. As someone who never got past the cylinder block wall I can’t wait to hear the additional stories this new source has to offer.
I'm the father of jp1416 and have shared my visits to the crypts in 1977-78. I recently found out a friend from our church, who grew up in the Del Ray area of Alexandria visited the crypts about adozen times during the late 60’s and early 70’s. My son and I are going to sit down with our friend and a couple of his pal’s who also visited the crypts during this time frame. Hopefully he will be able to produce some pictures. In the short time I was able to speak to our friend, he mentioned three levels and a very historic event that took place there.
I was wondering if you may have anything you would like to ask him? I can promise you, that you will get the honest truth from this source. My son and I are big fans of this blog and topic, no so much of the Fairfax Underground. As someone who never got past the cylinder block wall I can’t wait to hear the additional stories this new source has to offer.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ladyhawke
()
Date: December 06, 2011 02:45AM
There were also Kids from Falls Church High School that went to the cryptsfor an event
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Carl o
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Date: December 25, 2011 05:08PM
Hope everyone had a nice Christmas. Wandering if there is anything new here about the crepts. Brody are you still here?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: December 26, 2011 10:40PM
WASHINGTON
December 26th, 2011
Dear Carl,
Thanks for the Christmas greetings not only for myself but on behalf of the rest of the readership of this thread.
I am still "here" albeit not yet able to update as I am still writing the first draft of the Remey Story which will need to undergo an edit.
I did have an interesting interview before the holiday with a Baha'i follower who knew Remey and several of the leadership of the faith including the wife of the head of the faith who passed away suddenly in 1957. It was his death and the ensuing "palace" intrigue and disputes among the upper echelon of the Baha'i which led to Remey's attempt to declare himself head of the faith and ultimately, led to the events that essentially rendered him an outcast, ex-communicated by the leadership as a "heretic."
More on that later. The NY architectural firm has started the process of digitising the blue-prints, although because of the fragile condition and age of the blueprints, its a slow go and they are attempting to be as careful as possible.
Finally, I got to spend a couple of hours with a former pagan Motorcycle Club member who not only remembered the crypts, but had some fascinating stories about some of the M/C club "togetherness" fests held there at the Remeum. That was a highly entertaining interview which also was very edifying as well.
Hopefully folks, I will have some spare moments this month to come back and give you excerpts from the story as well as some other info as it becomes available.
I join Carl in wishing all of you a Happy Holidays and please be safe.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
e-mail:
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
December 26th, 2011
Dear Carl,
Thanks for the Christmas greetings not only for myself but on behalf of the rest of the readership of this thread.
I am still "here" albeit not yet able to update as I am still writing the first draft of the Remey Story which will need to undergo an edit.
I did have an interesting interview before the holiday with a Baha'i follower who knew Remey and several of the leadership of the faith including the wife of the head of the faith who passed away suddenly in 1957. It was his death and the ensuing "palace" intrigue and disputes among the upper echelon of the Baha'i which led to Remey's attempt to declare himself head of the faith and ultimately, led to the events that essentially rendered him an outcast, ex-communicated by the leadership as a "heretic."
More on that later. The NY architectural firm has started the process of digitising the blue-prints, although because of the fragile condition and age of the blueprints, its a slow go and they are attempting to be as careful as possible.
Finally, I got to spend a couple of hours with a former pagan Motorcycle Club member who not only remembered the crypts, but had some fascinating stories about some of the M/C club "togetherness" fests held there at the Remeum. That was a highly entertaining interview which also was very edifying as well.
Hopefully folks, I will have some spare moments this month to come back and give you excerpts from the story as well as some other info as it becomes available.
I join Carl in wishing all of you a Happy Holidays and please be safe.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
e-mail:
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Lazy Mobster
()
Date: December 26, 2011 10:45PM
Exciting stuff. Can't wait to see these Blueprints digitized.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Headless Pagan
()
Date: January 16, 2012 02:07PM
Wow, what a good thread. I graduated from J.E.B. Stuart in 1982 and never went to "the crypts" because back then Pohick was considered the boonies and none of my immediate friends knew how to get there. I did hear many stories about them though from people who had been there. The sarcophagus you had to stick your hand in, seen in many pics here, etc etc. The story involving the Pagans that I heard was that the one of the members knocked the head off of old Remey's statue and then later that year lost his own head in an automobile accident.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
blake lane 73
()
Date: January 31, 2012 06:04PM
Visited this location . Rt. 1 @ Telegraph Rd. in mid 70's A stone bench at ground level with a large cross/monument and some paving stones. Entered underground portion through a cave-in or excavation . Many bronze plaques on walls in central hall . Spooky stoned experiences especially on nights of big moons.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
blake lane 73
()
Date: February 03, 2012 04:31PM
What a great thread. What happened ,though? everything has gone dry in the last month or so. James Madison and Oakton should be added to the list of schools which the urban legend of the crypts was active. We went there numerous times in the early to mid 70s but no one seemed to know anything about Remy at that time. The word was that it was a tomb for upper eschelon members of the military which was borne out by military themes inside and out. Also ,despite numerous references to the Pagans activities there neither myself or anyone else I knew directly observed any PMC members at this location. I rescued a brother after a serious bike wreck and took him to Fx Hospital and was accepted by members as a little brother type figure .Much talk by club members ,but once again no direct observation by this author. Joined military after H. S. and lost track of all this for many years. Lived/worked in Ft, Belvoir area in mid-80s and revisited apparently after Shirley contracting demolition attempt and there was much less visible at surface. Observed recent excavation attempts at re-enrty at that time. Never encountered FXCOPD at any time ,but took care on entry /exit and parked at a distance. Also avoided entry by dirt/gravel road and caretakers house and entered from Rt. 1 further south near what must be the location of present day housing complex mentioned in this thread. One entry on this thread that caught my attention was the reported observation of statuary/structure reduced to tiny bits which the poster compared to "someone breaking up stone with sledgehammers a la prison chain gangs or something similar. I did not directly observe this , but is consistant with the effects of high explosives,which were reputed to have been utilized in at least one demolition attempt. As is the case with even contemporary reports ,especially fron non-trained sources, direct observation is frequently mixed with hearsay and the mix of legal/controlled intoxicants and youthful imagination does little to add clarity to this fascinating story. I tried calling the Brody news service but only got a recording. I wouldn't mind discussing this with him as it appears that he in employing sound research and verification methods in a well structured attempt to pull all this together. I will be monitoring this thread and look forward to discussing my experiences with Brody or other adults interested in this subject. Also interested in the Bahai angle especially any persons who had direct contact with Remy if this is even possible at this late date. A crypt, George Washington's church,the Pagans,Bahai ism
,what's next? a UFO -Ft. Belvoir/DARPA link?
,what's next? a UFO -Ft. Belvoir/DARPA link?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: February 03, 2012 09:33PM
WASHINGTON
February 3rd, 2011
Dear Folks,
I am still working on the story, but at this time the focus has shifted to Remey and his Baha'i work from the turn of the 19th century until the work on the Remeum commenced full time after the second war.
Also, Mr. Blake Lane 73, I can always be reached at 202 556 0877, please feel free to leave a voicemail if I don't answer or send me an e-mail to: theroadtraveler@gmail.com.
Hope everyone's winter months are passing agreeably.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
February 3rd, 2011
Dear Folks,
I am still working on the story, but at this time the focus has shifted to Remey and his Baha'i work from the turn of the 19th century until the work on the Remeum commenced full time after the second war.
Also, Mr. Blake Lane 73, I can always be reached at 202 556 0877, please feel free to leave a voicemail if I don't answer or send me an e-mail to: theroadtraveler@gmail.com.
Hope everyone's winter months are passing agreeably.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
skav
()
Date: February 03, 2012 09:47PM
I keep checking back with this thread when it works it's way back to the top of the heap. I also went to LB, and visited the crypts in the 76-78 time frame, what has been said by others is certainly confirmed, and I wrote a long rememberance in this thread a long time ago.
My guess is that the simply did a better job of topping off and sealing the top of the crypts, because clearly their first attempts were rather poor. It would really be interesting if someone with the time and money, and the permission to do so, would do an escavation. With all the BS reality TV out there, surprised there isn't a Tomb Hunters show..in which case this would be an excellent subject.
My guess is that the simply did a better job of topping off and sealing the top of the crypts, because clearly their first attempts were rather poor. It would really be interesting if someone with the time and money, and the permission to do so, would do an escavation. With all the BS reality TV out there, surprised there isn't a Tomb Hunters show..in which case this would be an excellent subject.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Radiophile
()
Date: February 05, 2012 06:38PM
blake lane 73 Wrote:
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> What a great thread. What happened ,though?
> everything has gone dry in the last month or so.
> James Madison
It's Madison Time!
Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.
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> What a great thread. What happened ,though?
> everything has gone dry in the last month or so.
> James Madison
It's Madison Time!
Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
blake lane 73
()
Date: February 06, 2012 03:10PM
Does anyone out there in FFXUG -land remember the abandoned NIKE-AJAX
missile base in western FFXCO at about the same time- mid 70s ?
When I was last there ,all the eqpt. was gone with cable conduits remaining and impressions of where the consoles were. I researched this weapsys later and was astounded at the operational concept as I am sure most FFXCO residents would be. Since interception /guidance systems did not have the required accuracy to eliminate incoming enemy bombers, the system depended on just getting close then functioning a small nuclear warhead to eliminate the target with blast effect. This base was one of many surrounding major citiesin the U.S. A friend from the feds explored abandoned sites in the Los Angeles/Pico Rivera area in his teenhood. Can you imagine the response if it was known by the public that multiple nukes resided just below the surface of our idyllic suburban paradise? Also of note, a similar site on the grounds of the old Lorton Reformatory was donated to the Cold War Museum which was founded by the son of Francis Gary Powers , who was the pilot of the U-2 spy plane that was shot down and captured while surveilling Russian airspace. Does anyone have experience visiting any of these sites? Popes Head , Great Falls etc. or in any other metro area? Would this make a good topic for a new thread since it and the Remy crypts are the the only subjest that are/were truly UNDERGROUND ?
missile base in western FFXCO at about the same time- mid 70s ?
When I was last there ,all the eqpt. was gone with cable conduits remaining and impressions of where the consoles were. I researched this weapsys later and was astounded at the operational concept as I am sure most FFXCO residents would be. Since interception /guidance systems did not have the required accuracy to eliminate incoming enemy bombers, the system depended on just getting close then functioning a small nuclear warhead to eliminate the target with blast effect. This base was one of many surrounding major citiesin the U.S. A friend from the feds explored abandoned sites in the Los Angeles/Pico Rivera area in his teenhood. Can you imagine the response if it was known by the public that multiple nukes resided just below the surface of our idyllic suburban paradise? Also of note, a similar site on the grounds of the old Lorton Reformatory was donated to the Cold War Museum which was founded by the son of Francis Gary Powers , who was the pilot of the U-2 spy plane that was shot down and captured while surveilling Russian airspace. Does anyone have experience visiting any of these sites? Popes Head , Great Falls etc. or in any other metro area? Would this make a good topic for a new thread since it and the Remy crypts are the the only subjest that are/were truly UNDERGROUND ?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
blake lane 73
()
Date: February 06, 2012 03:56PM
CORRECTION The W-31 nuke was used on NIKE-HERCULES -the next in the series.
Higher yield warheads followed for subsequent systems in the NIKE series This warhead was used at allmost all U.S. sites. Gives a whole new angle to the "Just Do IT " slogan.
Higher yield warheads followed for subsequent systems in the NIKE series This warhead was used at allmost all U.S. sites. Gives a whole new angle to the "Just Do IT " slogan.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Duck N Cover
()
Date: February 06, 2012 08:59PM
Spent a few times at the Popes Head Nike site. In the early eightys all the above ground stuff was gone. Only the underground missle storage areas remained. As well as the earth berms that comprised the fueling area for the Ajax missles. Only Lorton was retrofitted for the Nuke capable Hercules missles and only half the launchers and elevators were retofitted to handle it. That is why Popes Head and Drainesville were decommisioned in 1963 and 1961. Gary Powers Jr. was unable to get the Lorton site and is opening the Cold War Museum out in Loudon County instead. Have been unable to find any overhead pictures of the Pope Head launch facility as well as the fire control site, now a county maintenance yard off Ladue Rd.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Duck N Cover
()
Date: February 06, 2012 09:18PM
Heard about the "Crypts" when I was in High School in the 70's. Never went because a family crypt tends to be rather small, holding only a few coffins. Wish I had known then, that it was the size of a football field. Would be a site to see now with todays LED lights instead of the D cell flashlights of the 50s-80s. CMRs dream, grand vision...too bad it ended the way it did.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Duck N Cover
()
Date: February 06, 2012 10:02PM
So much lost history in FFX County. Former military bases, airfields, roads, civil war railroad lines. All rapidly being erased from the landscape with the relentless march of subdivions, strip malls and interstate highways. At least we still have some pictures and there are a few people still alive that remember the way it "use to be". One thing you can count on is change, everyday.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
stephen
()
Date: February 07, 2012 04:22PM
I grew up near a nuke site in watchung nj, they filled the shafts with concrete.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bad motha f***er (shut your mouth)
()
Date: February 07, 2012 06:55PM
Shaft.
That is one of the funnier words available. Kind of like master. Or hard.
Sorry, I love this thread, but when I see "shaft", I gotta jump.
That is one of the funnier words available. Kind of like master. Or hard.
Sorry, I love this thread, but when I see "shaft", I gotta jump.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
blake lane 73
()
Date: February 07, 2012 11:02PM
Stephen,did you get inside before concreting?
Stephen,did you get inside before concreting?
Stephen,did you get inside before concreting?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Stephen
()
Date: February 08, 2012 02:28PM
No,never got in there, Park police were always checking the place. I see a sign on FF parkway for an ex nuke sight.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
blake lane 73
()
Date: February 08, 2012 03:24PM
Attention all, I created a thread for NIKE missle base info.Just Do IT. We should keep this for Remy Crypt info allthough infiltration to both and others seems to appeal to the same personality type.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
richard
()
Date: February 23, 2012 05:55PM
I made this overlay using transparancy on a couple of the arials from the 60's and to find the crypt location, then aligned that to the roads on the 2010 map. This is what I cam up with, not exactly where the new development is.
Attachments:
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Kamel Kourt
()
Date: February 23, 2012 08:16PM
Does anyone remember the small motel across the street? The "Kamel Kourt", I think it was called? When did it close, and when did it get ripped down?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
blake lane 73
()
Date: February 24, 2012 03:08PM
Richard, nice piece of work , but I remember the site being slightly south of the location shown . Recall passing Stumpy's house and a greater distance to the Crypts from his house. See my posts on this and other Remy threads . Also NIKE missile thread. The discrepancy could be associated with the widening of Rt. 1 and the re-alignment of the Telegraph road intersection. Would love to get a ground penetrating radar data sweep of this site today . It's a legitamate part of FFXCO history. To quote Joe Strummer "The future is unwritten."
Brody, you still monitoring this channel?
Brody, you still monitoring this channel?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: February 24, 2012 03:28PM
blake,
I think he's pretty close to right on, the part that you are seeing up near Stumpy's would be underground, if it was ever built. I think the cinder block wall that we've heard about being used to black access to the farther reaches is actually where the red line runs through the S in Stumpy's.
I think he's pretty close to right on, the part that you are seeing up near Stumpy's would be underground, if it was ever built. I think the cinder block wall that we've heard about being used to black access to the farther reaches is actually where the red line runs through the S in Stumpy's.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Duck N Cover
()
Date: February 25, 2012 04:00PM
Were the red line runs thru the S in Stumpys is I believe the Narthex entrance. Were the inner atrium (outside) transitioned to the first underground chamber.
Looking at the 1958 picture, the first level underground is really more of an almost surface level structure with dirt covering it in the shape of a small mound. The lower three levels are definitely underground.
I wonder if the structure sustained any damage in the 5.8 August earthquake since it is most likely unreinforced or marginally reinforned concrete overlayed with brick. Due to the steel needed for the war effort, I wonder how much reinforcing steel is in the underground structure.
Of the supposed 2 million bricks used, how many were used in the outside, the walls, towers and inner atrium structure.
Generally, most underground structures ride out earthquakes better than the above ground structures. Only when we can see the blueprints can we get a better idea of the construction materials, thickness, ect.
Somewhere out there are photos, unfortunatly most people would'nt know what it was that they were looking at. Something their Great Grandfather or Grandfather took years ago. The construction workers or supervisors, military or civilian aviators, newspaper story.
Brody, any word on the digitalization......
Looking at the 1958 picture, the first level underground is really more of an almost surface level structure with dirt covering it in the shape of a small mound. The lower three levels are definitely underground.
I wonder if the structure sustained any damage in the 5.8 August earthquake since it is most likely unreinforced or marginally reinforned concrete overlayed with brick. Due to the steel needed for the war effort, I wonder how much reinforcing steel is in the underground structure.
Of the supposed 2 million bricks used, how many were used in the outside, the walls, towers and inner atrium structure.
Generally, most underground structures ride out earthquakes better than the above ground structures. Only when we can see the blueprints can we get a better idea of the construction materials, thickness, ect.
Somewhere out there are photos, unfortunatly most people would'nt know what it was that they were looking at. Something their Great Grandfather or Grandfather took years ago. The construction workers or supervisors, military or civilian aviators, newspaper story.
Brody, any word on the digitalization......
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
richard
()
Date: March 03, 2012 03:13PM
Used the scale from google maps, overlayed the original to fit the scale. i don't know how to triangulate a location so i did it linearly. all the numbers are aproximate to the best i could guess.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
richard
()
Date: March 03, 2012 03:16PM
all the measurements are from the obelisk
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Lee
()
Date: March 04, 2012 11:44PM
Want to see real pics of the crypts from what it looked like when I went there?
Go to Facebook, enter Annandale, VA. in search and click on photos.
Go to Facebook, enter Annandale, VA. in search and click on photos.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Carl O
()
Date: March 22, 2012 10:00PM
Any news here on the blue prints?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hayfield Farm Gun Club
()
Date: March 22, 2012 10:30PM
Richard,
Can you explain the "WTF" indicated on your photo? I don't see what feature in the photo has you confused?.
Can you explain the "WTF" indicated on your photo? I don't see what feature in the photo has you confused?.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
NovaTrucker
()
Date: March 23, 2012 08:52PM
Lee Wrote:
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> Want to see real pics of the crypts from what it
> looked like when I went there?
> Go to Facebook, enter Annandale, VA. in search and
> click on photos.
Lee, i'm not finding this....there is no option for photos
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> Want to see real pics of the crypts from what it
> looked like when I went there?
> Go to Facebook, enter Annandale, VA. in search and
> click on photos.
Lee, i'm not finding this....there is no option for photos
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
blake lane 73
()
Date: March 24, 2012 01:31PM
There are quite a few pics on this site from inside and at ground level
posted on this site. If interested, you can read my posts here describing my visits and associates from the mid 70s to mid 80s. Also see NIKE missile site thread for more adventures from this era. Brody, do you still monitor this thread? Whats going on with digital recreation of inside the Remeum from the original blueprints?
posted on this site. If interested, you can read my posts here describing my visits and associates from the mid 70s to mid 80s. Also see NIKE missile site thread for more adventures from this era. Brody, do you still monitor this thread? Whats going on with digital recreation of inside the Remeum from the original blueprints?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: March 24, 2012 05:17PM
WASHINGTON
March 24th, 2012
Dear Blake Lane 73,
Due to my current position as Washington bureau chief for a magazine, sadly I have been swamped with the day to day grind. That said, I do in fact monitor this thread and in answer to your question, as the digitisation of the blue-prints is being accomplished 'pro bono' coupled with the fact that the prints were in fair condition to start with, I have not pushed the New York architectural firm in regards to 'speeding' the process along.
Also, I am currently still writing and researching Remey's early years prior to the Remeum up to the tragic death of his wife in 1932- squeezed in between work and other commitments.
I do need to point out that I am still collecting interviews/stories from the folk who were in attendance at the Remeum over the years during the many 'events' that took place.
An early follower of Remey's has contacted and forwarded copies of letters written in the 1930's and 40's discussing the construction which has been enlightening.
I just ask that folks bear with me as this is the 'slowest' part of gathering and writing a story.
Warmest Regards,
Brody Levesque
March 24th, 2012
Dear Blake Lane 73,
Due to my current position as Washington bureau chief for a magazine, sadly I have been swamped with the day to day grind. That said, I do in fact monitor this thread and in answer to your question, as the digitisation of the blue-prints is being accomplished 'pro bono' coupled with the fact that the prints were in fair condition to start with, I have not pushed the New York architectural firm in regards to 'speeding' the process along.
Also, I am currently still writing and researching Remey's early years prior to the Remeum up to the tragic death of his wife in 1932- squeezed in between work and other commitments.
I do need to point out that I am still collecting interviews/stories from the folk who were in attendance at the Remeum over the years during the many 'events' that took place.
An early follower of Remey's has contacted and forwarded copies of letters written in the 1930's and 40's discussing the construction which has been enlightening.
I just ask that folks bear with me as this is the 'slowest' part of gathering and writing a story.
Warmest Regards,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
A Resident
()
Date: March 25, 2012 04:57PM
NovaTrucker Wrote:
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> Lee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Want to see real pics of the crypts from what
> it
> > looked like when I went there?
> > Go to Facebook, enter Annandale, VA. in search
> and
> > click on photos.
>
>
> Lee, i'm not finding this....there is no option
> for photos
From Facebook...Annandale, VA...
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> Lee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Want to see real pics of the crypts from what
> it
> > looked like when I went there?
> > Go to Facebook, enter Annandale, VA. in search
> and
> > click on photos.
>
>
> Lee, i'm not finding this....there is no option
> for photos
From Facebook...Annandale, VA...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Boo
()
Date: March 27, 2012 12:05AM
That Annandale blog got those pictures from HERE!
lol
lol
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
FrankieJ
()
Date: April 24, 2012 04:46AM
Wow, this forum is a wealth of things that I haven't thought about forever. lol Growing up around here in the late-60s early-70s, we were regular visitors to "The Crypts" and some of the local adventure landmarks mentioned in other threads.
Not much to add beyond what others here probably have already said. When we first started going, I'd guess around 1970-ish, there already were at least some minimal attempts to block the entrance where everyone climbed through. The iron bars still were across the hole but they'd been bent apart just wide enough that you could slip through. Most of the statues and bas relief work inside was already busted up to some degree at that point, heads knocked off, etc., but some remained intact. I remember the statue and the large vault just inside the entrance as shown in the pictures. In the back room to the left as you entered were other several others one of which I seem to remember having glass sides to it. Don't recall now what was to the right. Nothing particularly memorable I guess.
More impressive to me than the inside was the courtyard and other grounds all of which were in pretty good shape at that time. As others have mentioned the lions and the big iron gates as well as other statues were very impressive. Particularly so at night with nothing but the moonlight and you're zonked out of your mind at the time. lol It's a shame if none of that was salvaged. Even back then I could appreciate that it was not "hack" work and very obviously was done at great expense by some real craftsmen.
Probably the strangest thing that I saw there was one night when a group of probably 20 people were there having some kind of ceremony complete with hooded black robes and candles and chanting and the whole bit. It was like something out of a bad B horror movie. No idea who they were.
Don't know whether anyone has mentioned the elaborate mosaics that were in a covered arched area to the right of and between the main gates and the entrance to the crypt. I seem to remember that being a secondary area with vaults built into the walls possibly for other family members. Some of it was busted up by then but a lot of it remained. All done with small, probably 1/4" square glass pieces of different colors with gold foil backing. And I'm not talking about a few. More like hundreds of thousands of them. The mosaics covered the ceiling and walls of that whole area. Somewhere I still have some of the pieces that I picked up off of the ground.
I went back once later during the day while working for the County, coincidentally, doing inspections of abandoned properties in the area so figured I had a good excuse if anyone said anything to me. ;) Probably around 1978 or so. Looked basically the same as I remember but more run down and grown up. I didn't try to go inside at that time.
Anyway, thanks for the memories and all of the information that I never knew about the place!
Not much to add beyond what others here probably have already said. When we first started going, I'd guess around 1970-ish, there already were at least some minimal attempts to block the entrance where everyone climbed through. The iron bars still were across the hole but they'd been bent apart just wide enough that you could slip through. Most of the statues and bas relief work inside was already busted up to some degree at that point, heads knocked off, etc., but some remained intact. I remember the statue and the large vault just inside the entrance as shown in the pictures. In the back room to the left as you entered were other several others one of which I seem to remember having glass sides to it. Don't recall now what was to the right. Nothing particularly memorable I guess.
More impressive to me than the inside was the courtyard and other grounds all of which were in pretty good shape at that time. As others have mentioned the lions and the big iron gates as well as other statues were very impressive. Particularly so at night with nothing but the moonlight and you're zonked out of your mind at the time. lol It's a shame if none of that was salvaged. Even back then I could appreciate that it was not "hack" work and very obviously was done at great expense by some real craftsmen.
Probably the strangest thing that I saw there was one night when a group of probably 20 people were there having some kind of ceremony complete with hooded black robes and candles and chanting and the whole bit. It was like something out of a bad B horror movie. No idea who they were.
Don't know whether anyone has mentioned the elaborate mosaics that were in a covered arched area to the right of and between the main gates and the entrance to the crypt. I seem to remember that being a secondary area with vaults built into the walls possibly for other family members. Some of it was busted up by then but a lot of it remained. All done with small, probably 1/4" square glass pieces of different colors with gold foil backing. And I'm not talking about a few. More like hundreds of thousands of them. The mosaics covered the ceiling and walls of that whole area. Somewhere I still have some of the pieces that I picked up off of the ground.
I went back once later during the day while working for the County, coincidentally, doing inspections of abandoned properties in the area so figured I had a good excuse if anyone said anything to me. ;) Probably around 1978 or so. Looked basically the same as I remember but more run down and grown up. I didn't try to go inside at that time.
Anyway, thanks for the memories and all of the information that I never knew about the place!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BB*X
()
Date: April 24, 2012 08:11AM
"Richard,
Can you explain the "WTF" indicated on your photo? I don't see what feature in the photo has you confused?."
The "WTF" is from an earlier post of that aerial and it refers to that neighborhood being built right there.
Can you explain the "WTF" indicated on your photo? I don't see what feature in the photo has you confused?."
The "WTF" is from an earlier post of that aerial and it refers to that neighborhood being built right there.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
blake lane 73
()
Date: April 24, 2012 01:09PM
Glad to see some more activity on this thread. You can check my posts to see my experiences here. Whassup Brody?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
FrankieJ
()
Date: April 25, 2012 01:25AM
You know, the more that I thought about it today after reading this thread I'm *very* surprised that the "plug" installed to prevent access to the other sections wasn't penetrated over the years.
As above, I was first there in what would have been the Summer of '69 or 70. Apparently, it was installed in '68. The brick/block construction (as shown in the first picture just above on this page) clearly was newer/different and, at least looking at it now, it should have been obvious that it was a pathway that had been blocked. We looked all over and many times for the way to the "secret levels" as I know others did too, but never considered that. (Hey, we weren't really at our analytical best when we were down there. lol ;) But there must have been some people around back then who had seen it just a few years earlier and knew what was behind it. I mean you had +10 year's worth of people who had access from the time of the article about the break-in in '56(?) up until it was plugged in '68.
If you look closely at that pic, in the upper right inside the doorway where the block wall is, you can see where somebody had removed a small section. When there you could see dirt behind it. It looked like that as long as I was going there and seems to have later. With all of the people going in over the years you'd have thought that somebody would have gone further and eventually punched through. They got through everything else that was put in the way to get inside of the place.
But back then we didn't have the benefit of the Interwebs and all of the layout shown in this thread. If we had, then I'm absolutely sure that it would not have lasted. The idea of the dirt behind and between the block walls really was genius on someone's part. OK, maybe not genius but it was good enough to fool a couple of generations of drunks and stoners at least. lol
The other thing that I wonder about is how they completely filled that space between the two walls with dirt? They could have from the front but it was at least over the level of that hole shown so that would have been kind of difficult. Does one of the vents line up with that space? Someone mentioned filling some space through one of the vents shovel-by-shovel. Wonder if that's what they were talking about.
The area where the mosaics were that I mentioned earlier were where what's marked on the plans as the catacombs. You can see it in one of the pictures in the thread that were taken sitting on the cap looking out as the area to the left with the arched structure.
Also thinking back again I remember better now that the entrance that we went through wasn't covered with "bars" as I'd said earlier. Actually, it was one of the iron gates that I'd guess was at the doorway to the inside originally. They'd cemented up the door and then piled various stones and other materials like those that you can see in pictures in front with the gate jammed behind all of that and over the hole.
As above, I was first there in what would have been the Summer of '69 or 70. Apparently, it was installed in '68. The brick/block construction (as shown in the first picture just above on this page) clearly was newer/different and, at least looking at it now, it should have been obvious that it was a pathway that had been blocked. We looked all over and many times for the way to the "secret levels" as I know others did too, but never considered that. (Hey, we weren't really at our analytical best when we were down there. lol ;) But there must have been some people around back then who had seen it just a few years earlier and knew what was behind it. I mean you had +10 year's worth of people who had access from the time of the article about the break-in in '56(?) up until it was plugged in '68.
If you look closely at that pic, in the upper right inside the doorway where the block wall is, you can see where somebody had removed a small section. When there you could see dirt behind it. It looked like that as long as I was going there and seems to have later. With all of the people going in over the years you'd have thought that somebody would have gone further and eventually punched through. They got through everything else that was put in the way to get inside of the place.
But back then we didn't have the benefit of the Interwebs and all of the layout shown in this thread. If we had, then I'm absolutely sure that it would not have lasted. The idea of the dirt behind and between the block walls really was genius on someone's part. OK, maybe not genius but it was good enough to fool a couple of generations of drunks and stoners at least. lol
The other thing that I wonder about is how they completely filled that space between the two walls with dirt? They could have from the front but it was at least over the level of that hole shown so that would have been kind of difficult. Does one of the vents line up with that space? Someone mentioned filling some space through one of the vents shovel-by-shovel. Wonder if that's what they were talking about.
The area where the mosaics were that I mentioned earlier were where what's marked on the plans as the catacombs. You can see it in one of the pictures in the thread that were taken sitting on the cap looking out as the area to the left with the arched structure.
Also thinking back again I remember better now that the entrance that we went through wasn't covered with "bars" as I'd said earlier. Actually, it was one of the iron gates that I'd guess was at the doorway to the inside originally. They'd cemented up the door and then piled various stones and other materials like those that you can see in pictures in front with the gate jammed behind all of that and over the hole.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Remey's Head
()
Date: April 27, 2012 05:08PM
Its summer time lets start digging
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Carl O
()
Date: May 31, 2012 11:29AM
Hey anyone here,
Once this like the crypts was one of the coolest places to visit. There was Scully and Brody and the idea of a virtual tour of the crypts based on the origional blue prints.
Oh well maybe this thing like crypts is a thing long and gone.
Once this like the crypts was one of the coolest places to visit. There was Scully and Brody and the idea of a virtual tour of the crypts based on the origional blue prints.
Oh well maybe this thing like crypts is a thing long and gone.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
UgroundFFX
()
Date: June 15, 2012 11:04PM
No Trespassing signs are posted around the perimiter of the church's land, which is private property. I inquired at the office, and visits to the site are not permitted. I was told that trespassers will be prosecuted.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
blueflash
()
Date: June 16, 2012 02:04AM
i dont understand this? How can Pohick Church allow the remaining obelisk monument to the Remey family to stand, yet not allow anyone back there to see it?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
because....
()
Date: June 17, 2012 11:59PM
Because it is their property and they can dictate how it is used.
If you were related and had a valid reason for visiting, they could allow a visit. My guess is that nobody but us curious internet goons want to see that stuff anyway.
If you were related and had a valid reason for visiting, they could allow a visit. My guess is that nobody but us curious internet goons want to see that stuff anyway.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
NANCY517
()
Date: June 19, 2012 06:33PM
THIS IS NOT TRUE ABOUT A MOTORCYCLE GANG FIGHT,i GREW UP IN POHICK ESTATES 1 MILE FROM THE PLACE.I USE TO GO THERE MAYBE 10-15 TIMES NEVER HEARD OF NO FIGHT.i HAVE STORIES I CAN TELL OFF MY OWN THAT ARE CRAZY BUT THEY NEVER HAPPENED.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
JenK
()
Date: June 19, 2012 07:37PM
How bad is a trespassing prosecution? I've never been arrested(knocking on wood now..), once can't be that bad can it? I'd be up to look. It sucks the few remaining pieces of history like that are closed off to us. :-(
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: July 14, 2012 11:22AM
WASHINGTON
July 14, 2012
Dear Folks,
Greetings to all who have been so patient and also have been invaluable contributors to the accumulation of facts, stories, and details, particularly those of you who have so graciously allowed myself & staff to obtain oral histories from you regarding the Remeum.
Sadly, due to scheduling and the fact that I am Washington Bureau Chief for a national publication, I honestly have had to lay the ongoing research about the Remeum & Mason Remey aside temporarily just because of the constraints on my time.
Having stated this, let me assure you that I am fully committed to completing the book project and sharing the project's findings with all of you here in this thread.
To this end, I am going to introduce you gentle folks to a historian who lives in Kennebunk, Maine, whom I am bringing in to assist with the research and the writing duties as a co-author/co-contributor on this book project. Her name is Maureen Gill, and her background is here:
Maureen Gill is an educator, public speaker and author known for her insightful historical analyses, biting political commentaries and riveting fiction. Maureen has spoken before audiences at the MacLean Center for Medical Ethics at the University of Chicago, numerous universities, the Newberry Library, and various civic, religious and private groups as well. Maureen is a committed social activist and her areas of interest are human and civil rights, animal rights and healthcare reform.
Her first novel, January Moon, is a gripping detective story about racism, religious fanaticism, mental illness, pure evil and undying love; it is also the first American work of fiction to situate female genital mutilation at the center of a crime story.
Maureen resides in southern coastal Maine and is a featured weekly OpEd columnist at the York County Journal Tribune, where she writes about national and local issues.
Her website is here: http://maureengill.net/
I think that by asking her to join the efforts, we can once again establish some forward movement. I have sent this thread to her for her review and also will be sending emails out to those of you who have so generously given of your time to talk with my staff or I, to seek your permission to interview you herself. Thanks to all of you, very much.
Now, one last thing, the church is upset because they have apparently had a couple of incidents of trespass related to the Remeum. I would once again plead with all of you to respect the Pohick Church's stance on the Remeum. In other words, please confine your tours to the graveyard and the church as those are publicly accessible. Do NOT head up the ridge to the site, please.
I understand the high level of interest that all of you folks have, but again, if there is to be any possibility that permission might be given to gain entrance to the property, it most likely won't happen if the church officials are battling a trespass problem.
[ Mind you, I am an accredited journalist conducting legitimate research and I was refused permission to not only gain permission to tour the site, but also refused access to the parish minutes of those vestry meetings from the 1930's through the 1960's that might shed light on Remey's relationship with the Pohick Church vestry and rectors.]
As always, feel free to contact me and be well folks. Have a great summer too by the way.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
(202) 556 -0877
July 14, 2012
Dear Folks,
Greetings to all who have been so patient and also have been invaluable contributors to the accumulation of facts, stories, and details, particularly those of you who have so graciously allowed myself & staff to obtain oral histories from you regarding the Remeum.
Sadly, due to scheduling and the fact that I am Washington Bureau Chief for a national publication, I honestly have had to lay the ongoing research about the Remeum & Mason Remey aside temporarily just because of the constraints on my time.
Having stated this, let me assure you that I am fully committed to completing the book project and sharing the project's findings with all of you here in this thread.
To this end, I am going to introduce you gentle folks to a historian who lives in Kennebunk, Maine, whom I am bringing in to assist with the research and the writing duties as a co-author/co-contributor on this book project. Her name is Maureen Gill, and her background is here:
Maureen Gill is an educator, public speaker and author known for her insightful historical analyses, biting political commentaries and riveting fiction. Maureen has spoken before audiences at the MacLean Center for Medical Ethics at the University of Chicago, numerous universities, the Newberry Library, and various civic, religious and private groups as well. Maureen is a committed social activist and her areas of interest are human and civil rights, animal rights and healthcare reform.
Her first novel, January Moon, is a gripping detective story about racism, religious fanaticism, mental illness, pure evil and undying love; it is also the first American work of fiction to situate female genital mutilation at the center of a crime story.
Maureen resides in southern coastal Maine and is a featured weekly OpEd columnist at the York County Journal Tribune, where she writes about national and local issues.
Her website is here: http://maureengill.net/
I think that by asking her to join the efforts, we can once again establish some forward movement. I have sent this thread to her for her review and also will be sending emails out to those of you who have so generously given of your time to talk with my staff or I, to seek your permission to interview you herself. Thanks to all of you, very much.
Now, one last thing, the church is upset because they have apparently had a couple of incidents of trespass related to the Remeum. I would once again plead with all of you to respect the Pohick Church's stance on the Remeum. In other words, please confine your tours to the graveyard and the church as those are publicly accessible. Do NOT head up the ridge to the site, please.
I understand the high level of interest that all of you folks have, but again, if there is to be any possibility that permission might be given to gain entrance to the property, it most likely won't happen if the church officials are battling a trespass problem.
[ Mind you, I am an accredited journalist conducting legitimate research and I was refused permission to not only gain permission to tour the site, but also refused access to the parish minutes of those vestry meetings from the 1930's through the 1960's that might shed light on Remey's relationship with the Pohick Church vestry and rectors.]
As always, feel free to contact me and be well folks. Have a great summer too by the way.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
(202) 556 -0877
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Slyv
()
Date: August 11, 2012 02:31PM
I was there this morning taking pictures for my site http://www.forbidden-places.net/explo1.php#.UCag06A2YT0. Parked on the other side of the highway and walked in along the wood fence. Once I saw the spire sticking up I just cut throught the woods. I didn't get bothered by anyone and I spent about 90 minutes looking around. I walked around the church and its little graveyard. There was no one there so I suspect they have gone under in this economy.
I think once we get more people involved and get a bigger exposure it will really begin to open up. Theres only so much that this board can do and with the internet we can get world wide attention and really get things moving in the right direction.
I think once we get more people involved and get a bigger exposure it will really begin to open up. Theres only so much that this board can do and with the internet we can get world wide attention and really get things moving in the right direction.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
TheUnderground
()
Date: August 11, 2012 03:13PM
Slyv Wrote:
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> I was there this morning taking pictures for my
> site
> http://www.forbidden-places.net/explo1.php#.UCag06
> A2YT0. Parked on the other side of the highway and
> walked in along the wood fence. Once I saw the
> spire sticking up I just cut throught the woods. I
> didn't get bothered by anyone and I spent about 90
> minutes looking around. I walked around the church
> and its little graveyard. There was no one there
> so I suspect they have gone under in this economy.
>
> I think once we get more people involved and get
> a bigger exposure it will really begin to open up.
> Theres only so much that this board can do and
> with the internet we can get world wide attention
> and really get things moving in the right
> direction.
Pics. or GTFO
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> I was there this morning taking pictures for my
> site
> http://www.forbidden-places.net/explo1.php#.UCag06
> A2YT0. Parked on the other side of the highway and
> walked in along the wood fence. Once I saw the
> spire sticking up I just cut throught the woods. I
> didn't get bothered by anyone and I spent about 90
> minutes looking around. I walked around the church
> and its little graveyard. There was no one there
> so I suspect they have gone under in this economy.
>
> I think once we get more people involved and get
> a bigger exposure it will really begin to open up.
> Theres only so much that this board can do and
> with the internet we can get world wide attention
> and really get things moving in the right
> direction.
Pics. or GTFO
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
JenK
()
Date: August 11, 2012 04:29PM
Everything gets torn down around here! I went to the remains of Storybook Land in Woodbridge a couple days ago and there's some old foundations and chunks of colored concrete, but there's nothing there! They developed all around it, but it's just an empty lot. NoVa is all about tearing it down, it's sad.
I asked my godmother about the Remey Tomb and she said 'Oh yeah, we all used to go get high there in the 70's, but I was too scared to go into it'.....*sigh* and this is why it's not available to us now :( damn teenagers havin too much fun back in the day....
I asked my godmother about the Remey Tomb and she said 'Oh yeah, we all used to go get high there in the 70's, but I was too scared to go into it'.....*sigh* and this is why it's not available to us now :( damn teenagers havin too much fun back in the day....
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Been there, done that
()
Date: August 11, 2012 06:28PM
JenK Wrote:
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> Everything gets torn down around here! I went to
> the remains of Storybook Land in Woodbridge a
> couple days ago and there's some old foundations
> and chunks of colored concrete, but there's
> nothing there! They developed all around it, but
> it's just an empty lot. NoVa is all about tearing
> it down, it's sad.
>
> I asked my godmother about the Remey Tomb and she
> said 'Oh yeah, we all used to go get high there in
> the 70's, but I was too scared to go into
> it'.....*sigh* and this is why it's not available
> to us now :( damn teenagers havin too much fun
> back in the day....
That's what happens when you have the kind of growth that we've had around here. The whole area is a completely different place now (unfortunately).
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> Everything gets torn down around here! I went to
> the remains of Storybook Land in Woodbridge a
> couple days ago and there's some old foundations
> and chunks of colored concrete, but there's
> nothing there! They developed all around it, but
> it's just an empty lot. NoVa is all about tearing
> it down, it's sad.
>
> I asked my godmother about the Remey Tomb and she
> said 'Oh yeah, we all used to go get high there in
> the 70's, but I was too scared to go into
> it'.....*sigh* and this is why it's not available
> to us now :( damn teenagers havin too much fun
> back in the day....
That's what happens when you have the kind of growth that we've had around here. The whole area is a completely different place now (unfortunately).
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
blake lane 73
()
Date: August 12, 2012 01:46PM
Brody, any progress on the digitization of the blueprints?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bitten to hell and back
()
Date: August 24, 2012 05:21PM
Alright, I have a MUCH better reason then No Trespass signs to stay away....ticks, and yes it's VA, we expect ticks in the wood...not like this, I literally thanked God I brough a change of clothes, we're talking hundreds of pinhead size ticks all over me!!!! I'm praying I managed to shower them off. That said, I taped string and 2lil lights to my camera and dropped(gently)it down the vents today, but didn't really see anything but brick :( I was hoping maybe there'd be a shot into the tomb. Oh well.
No one really around, there is a house very very close to the tomb, if they were in their yard they'd def see you back there, but it's very quiet and seems deserted.
If you're at the back of the cemetary, there's a gravel parking lot and a lil clearing, you'd head to your right, cut back and head up the hill...which is how I got lost for an hour, do NOT go left toward Clochester Rd!!!
I found 2 possible areas that may have been the entrance everyone mentioned after it was razed, but neither is fesible to try ot get into, plus I was alone and I ain't gettin' stuck! One, with shovels and a couple people, maybe....either way, neat piece of history. rban exploring ftw :)....I know, pics or gtfo...I'll go w/pics
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No one really around, there is a house very very close to the tomb, if they were in their yard they'd def see you back there, but it's very quiet and seems deserted.
If you're at the back of the cemetary, there's a gravel parking lot and a lil clearing, you'd head to your right, cut back and head up the hill...which is how I got lost for an hour, do NOT go left toward Clochester Rd!!!
I found 2 possible areas that may have been the entrance everyone mentioned after it was razed, but neither is fesible to try ot get into, plus I was alone and I ain't gettin' stuck! One, with shovels and a couple people, maybe....either way, neat piece of history. rban exploring ftw :)....I know, pics or gtfo...I'll go w/pics
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bitten to hell and back
()
Date: August 24, 2012 05:23PM
IDK, how to do more than 1 photo at a time....i so suck at computer stuffs :( if you want to see more, or the vids, lemme know, I can zip them(or ask someone to ;)) and email them.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
NANCY517
()
Date: September 16, 2012 12:52AM
I have 2 gates to the place in my back yard and I know someone else that has the brass eagles 2 of them and he has parts from the light fixtures and alot of marble from the place.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
NANCY517
()
Date: September 16, 2012 12:58AM
are you the Brody that knows Katey from Edsall rd /Duke st area who lives at Rob's?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
know it all
()
Date: September 16, 2012 01:33AM
stop lieing they are not your family,such crap.don't ask me how i know this i just do and the bunny man bridge is crap and untrue do your research on both.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
old school Lorton
()
Date: September 16, 2012 12:00PM
thank you so much I grew up in Pohick Estates 1 mile from the place,my brothers brought up out of there brass gargoyles heads marble iron gates the chandelier lights.They still have these things my brother said it took days to chip those brass gargoyle heads off the wall.I am so sick of hearing the pagens hung out there,they did not.How did that rumor get started?I'm 47 but my brothers are 59 and 60 we went to hayfield to,my brothers were the first set of students to enter hayfield.I have 2 of the iron gates that one goes at the top of the grave the other at the bottom of the grave in my back yard.Sorry I just asked my brother he said that some of the pagens (he knew some of them) went there but that it wasn't like a club house hang out.He also said now that he's older that they should not of been there that it was a place of burial and what they did was disrespectful to the dead and the family.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
tell the truth....
()
Date: September 16, 2012 12:26PM
just from how you described it I can tell you have never been down there,I have, one of your biggest lies was the water on the floor.Anyone that has ever been in there will know what I mean.Your urban legends made me laugh,and it's not a coffin that you put your foot on to get down in there,it's parts of a broken iron gate.Please....
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Lorton old school.....
()
Date: September 16, 2012 12:43PM
yes and the fact that she committed suicide she shot herself in the head twice.Sounds funny to me,when it only takes one bullet to the head to kill.Why the second bullet?This was printed in the news paper on her death.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hypocrisy is the New Black
()
Date: September 16, 2012 01:14PM
old school Lorton Wrote:
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> thank you so much I grew up in Pohick Estates 1
> mile from the place,my brothers brought up out of
> there brass gargoyles heads marble iron gates the
> chandelier lights.They still have these things my
> brother said it took days to chip those brass
> gargoyle heads off the wall.I am so sick of
> hearing the pagens hung out there,they did not.How
> did that rumor get started?I'm 47 but my brothers
> are 59 and 60 we went to hayfield to,my brothers
> were the first set of students to enter hayfield.I
> have 2 of the iron gates that one goes at the top
> of the grave the other at the bottom of the grave
> in my back yard.Sorry I just asked my brother he
> said that some of the pagens (he knew some of
> them) went there but that it wasn't like a club
> house hang out.He also said now that he's older
> that they should not of been there that it was a
> place of burial and what they did was
> disrespectful to the dead and the family.
^ Says the person who admits that they vandalized and stole property from a tomb. lol
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> thank you so much I grew up in Pohick Estates 1
> mile from the place,my brothers brought up out of
> there brass gargoyles heads marble iron gates the
> chandelier lights.They still have these things my
> brother said it took days to chip those brass
> gargoyle heads off the wall.I am so sick of
> hearing the pagens hung out there,they did not.How
> did that rumor get started?I'm 47 but my brothers
> are 59 and 60 we went to hayfield to,my brothers
> were the first set of students to enter hayfield.I
> have 2 of the iron gates that one goes at the top
> of the grave the other at the bottom of the grave
> in my back yard.Sorry I just asked my brother he
> said that some of the pagens (he knew some of
> them) went there but that it wasn't like a club
> house hang out.He also said now that he's older
> that they should not of been there that it was a
> place of burial and what they did was
> disrespectful to the dead and the family.
^ Says the person who admits that they vandalized and stole property from a tomb. lol
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Lorton old school....
()
Date: September 16, 2012 01:23PM
Story Book Land was closed after a child had gotten in one of the wooden cars or structures that the children played in and was bitten by a copper head and died.There was also other problems such as the cost of keeping the place safe for children leaves branches snakes.The place was in a wooded area and the up keep became more than it was worth than to keep the place running.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Lorton old school....
()
Date: September 16, 2012 01:33PM
I didn't steal anything my brothers did as teens,If you care to come to Stafford Va I will show you the gates I have.Look at the picture of the big marble coffin and you will see part of the gates,study it,what I have is the top and bottom part.I didn't steal them they hung around the house (my parents) finally I brought them here.Anyway the gates are made with the same pattern except at both ends of them there are places to put candles in them.Laugh all you want,how many stupid things did you do as a teen that you have regrets about now?This is how my brother feels about it now, that he shouldn't of been back there doing what he was doing,he is 59 now, he was 17 then.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Lorton old school....
()
Date: September 16, 2012 01:41PM
I didn't steal anything my brothers did as teens,If you care to come to Stafford Va I will show you the gates I have.Look at the picture of the big marble coffin and you will see part of the gates,study it,what I have is the top and bottom part.I didn't steal them they hung around the house (my parents) finally I brought them here.Anyway the gates are made with the same pattern except at both ends of them there are places to put candles in them.Laugh all you want,how many stupid things did you do as a teen that you have regrets about now?This is how my brother feels about it now, that he shouldn't of been back there doing what he was doing,he is 59 now, he was 17 then.Bring your camera to.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Joe schmoe
()
Date: September 20, 2012 03:10PM
I find it hard to believe that the crypt has gone almost 30 years without someone finding a way in. I bet someone found a way in and hid the entrance. Under stones or bushes or anything of the sort.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
crypt keeper
()
Date: September 20, 2012 03:47PM
I believe you. My brother took somethings too. Can you post a picture of the gates you have? I will post a picture if my brother still has anything from the crypts.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Adventurer
()
Date: October 20, 2012 05:53PM
Hey guys
Awesome thread- lots of hard work makes it exciting to read.
Ive spent the past several years exploring lots of abandoned places-
Henryton, Glenn Dale, Forest Haven, National Park Seminary, several forts and other places.
I went to the Remeum this morning, saturday with the wife.
There are several "no trespassing" signs in the woods- we went in anyway.
All we found was the big marble obelisk and a shit ton of poison ivy. I will go back in the winter when the vegetation dies down. Sad place
Cheers!
Awesome thread- lots of hard work makes it exciting to read.
Ive spent the past several years exploring lots of abandoned places-
Henryton, Glenn Dale, Forest Haven, National Park Seminary, several forts and other places.
I went to the Remeum this morning, saturday with the wife.
There are several "no trespassing" signs in the woods- we went in anyway.
All we found was the big marble obelisk and a shit ton of poison ivy. I will go back in the winter when the vegetation dies down. Sad place
Cheers!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
NancyG
()
Date: October 26, 2012 09:19PM
is there another way to ask questions on this forum? I am dying to know if this is where I went in early 80's.
A Resident Wrote:
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> > > Want to see real pics of the crypts from what
> > it
> > > looked like when I went there?
> > > Go to Facebook, enter Annandale, VA. in
> search
> > and
> > > click on photos.
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> > Lee, i'm not finding this....there is no option
> > for photos
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> From Facebook...Annandale, VA...
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> > > Want to see real pics of the crypts from what
> > it
> > > looked like when I went there?
> > > Go to Facebook, enter Annandale, VA. in
> search
> > and
> > > click on photos.
> >
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> > Lee, i'm not finding this....there is no option
> > for photos
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> From Facebook...Annandale, VA...
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
NancyG
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Date: October 26, 2012 09:33PM
I remember going down through a hole and stepping onto a concrete? crypt and walking through what seemed like hallways with small open rooms off them and there were the crypts in there ( the things that the coffins go inside of). That is IF this was where I was! I remember distinctly one crypt had prone statues of twins made on top of the "lid" . Does anyone know if this is where I was?? I was in Fairfax County, it was abandoned, had to walk through woods had to avoid a large old house where a caretaker? lived. I have been trying to find this place again.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Uh huhh
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Date: October 26, 2012 09:40PM
NancyG Wrote:
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> I remember going down through a hole and stepping
> onto a concrete? crypt and walking through what
> seemed like hallways with small open rooms off
> them and there were the crypts in there ( the
> things that the coffins go inside of). That is IF
> this was where I was! I remember distinctly one
> crypt had prone statues of twins made on top of
> the "lid" . Does anyone know if this is where I
> was?? I was in Fairfax County, it was abandoned,
> had to walk through woods had to avoid a large old
> house where a caretaker? lived. I have been trying
> to find this place again.
Had to be.
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> I remember going down through a hole and stepping
> onto a concrete? crypt and walking through what
> seemed like hallways with small open rooms off
> them and there were the crypts in there ( the
> things that the coffins go inside of). That is IF
> this was where I was! I remember distinctly one
> crypt had prone statues of twins made on top of
> the "lid" . Does anyone know if this is where I
> was?? I was in Fairfax County, it was abandoned,
> had to walk through woods had to avoid a large old
> house where a caretaker? lived. I have been trying
> to find this place again.
Had to be.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
NancyG
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Date: October 27, 2012 07:28PM
Does anyone have any photos taken down inside where the crypts were? I am so glad to have found this site, I have spent the last 28 ormore years trying to find this place again and I sure "feel" like it must be it.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Facebook thief
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Date: October 27, 2012 08:18PM
NancyG Wrote:
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> Does anyone have any photos taken down inside
> where the crypts were? I am so glad to have found
> this site, I have spent the last 28 ormore years
> trying to find this place again and I sure "feel"
> like it must be it.
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> Does anyone have any photos taken down inside
> where the crypts were? I am so glad to have found
> this site, I have spent the last 28 ormore years
> trying to find this place again and I sure "feel"
> like it must be it.
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Posted by:
NancyG
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Date: October 28, 2012 06:34AM
Thank you! This has to be the place! I was taken there by a friend and we spent a whole day there both underground and above. I had tried for years to figure out where I was that day and when I saw this forum was so excited to realize that this might be it!! I am 99% positive it was. I had a map to it that was drawn on a napkin and remember I was told to look for the big cross. Does anyone remember the tops on the crypts and the other carvings on them? Thank you again!!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
mviker
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Date: November 05, 2012 05:23PM
Yet another tale from the Crypts...
We used to hang out at Bradlick shopping center back in the day. The day was late 70's into the early 80's. The Crypts were one of the places we went to do our thing, mostly hang out, drink a few beers and enjoy some smoke. It's as everyone else that's been there described. One time, it had to be a fabulous place, but by the time we discovered it, it was pretty well trashed. We'd go in and hang in the furthest rooms. Sometimes others were there, sometimes, we had the place to ourselves.
I do have one unforgetable time there. We went one Halloween. A buddy of mine brought a chainsaw without the chain, just the bar. we hid in the back and waited for someone to show and sure enough, they came crawling in through the entrance and began their way to the back where we were. Once they rounded the corner, my friend fired up the chainsaw and you could hear them almost literally clawing their way back to get out. screams and crying, it was great!
The only drag about it though, was that the chainsaw must have caught the caretaker's attention. we were met by the police when we finally decided to leave, but they just told us to get the hell out of there. They had a good laugh with us when they saw the chainsaw and heard our story. Fun times, Very cool place even though it was trashed.
Love this thread. Very interesting stuff, both from a teenaged party place to the very real history behind the man and the family that rested there. Thanks very much to all of you!
We used to hang out at Bradlick shopping center back in the day. The day was late 70's into the early 80's. The Crypts were one of the places we went to do our thing, mostly hang out, drink a few beers and enjoy some smoke. It's as everyone else that's been there described. One time, it had to be a fabulous place, but by the time we discovered it, it was pretty well trashed. We'd go in and hang in the furthest rooms. Sometimes others were there, sometimes, we had the place to ourselves.
I do have one unforgetable time there. We went one Halloween. A buddy of mine brought a chainsaw without the chain, just the bar. we hid in the back and waited for someone to show and sure enough, they came crawling in through the entrance and began their way to the back where we were. Once they rounded the corner, my friend fired up the chainsaw and you could hear them almost literally clawing their way back to get out. screams and crying, it was great!
The only drag about it though, was that the chainsaw must have caught the caretaker's attention. we were met by the police when we finally decided to leave, but they just told us to get the hell out of there. They had a good laugh with us when they saw the chainsaw and heard our story. Fun times, Very cool place even though it was trashed.
Love this thread. Very interesting stuff, both from a teenaged party place to the very real history behind the man and the family that rested there. Thanks very much to all of you!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Bikergunnut
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Date: November 18, 2012 07:54PM
Does anyone have a picture of the top of this crypt. It had less than a foot clearance to the ceiling but we got on top of it once and the symbles spelled out the word "Evil" (Dale City croud)
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Posted by:
Bradlick 7-11 gang
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Date: November 19, 2012 06:26AM
mviker Wrote:
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> Yet another tale from the Crypts...
>
> We used to hang out at Bradlick shopping center
> back in the day. The day was late 70's into the
> early 80's. The Crypts were one of the places we
> went to do our thing, mostly hang out, drink a few
> beers and enjoy some smoke. It's as everyone else
> that's been there described. One time, it had to
> be a fabulous place, but by the time we discovered
> it, it was pretty well trashed. We'd go in and
> hang in the furthest rooms. Sometimes others were
> there, sometimes, we had the place to ourselves.
>
> I do have one unforgetable time there. We went one
> Halloween. A buddy of mine brought a chainsaw
> without the chain, just the bar. we hid in the
> back and waited for someone to show and sure
> enough, they came crawling in through the entrance
> and began their way to the back where we were.
> Once they rounded the corner, my friend fired up
> the chainsaw and you could hear them almost
> literally clawing their way back to get out.
> screams and crying, it was great!
> The only drag about it though, was that the
> chainsaw must have caught the caretaker's
> attention. we were met by the police when we
> finally decided to leave, but they just told us to
> get the hell out of there. They had a good laugh
> with us when they saw the chainsaw and heard our
> story. Fun times, Very cool place even though it
> was trashed.
>
> Love this thread. Very interesting stuff, both
> from a teenaged party place to the very real
> history behind the man and the family that rested
> there. Thanks very much to all of you!
Yeah, that was us. We just wanted to hang out in the back room too. And yes you did scare the shit out of us. I remember that chain saw showing up at a party but I can't remember who had it. Fun times!
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> Yet another tale from the Crypts...
>
> We used to hang out at Bradlick shopping center
> back in the day. The day was late 70's into the
> early 80's. The Crypts were one of the places we
> went to do our thing, mostly hang out, drink a few
> beers and enjoy some smoke. It's as everyone else
> that's been there described. One time, it had to
> be a fabulous place, but by the time we discovered
> it, it was pretty well trashed. We'd go in and
> hang in the furthest rooms. Sometimes others were
> there, sometimes, we had the place to ourselves.
>
> I do have one unforgetable time there. We went one
> Halloween. A buddy of mine brought a chainsaw
> without the chain, just the bar. we hid in the
> back and waited for someone to show and sure
> enough, they came crawling in through the entrance
> and began their way to the back where we were.
> Once they rounded the corner, my friend fired up
> the chainsaw and you could hear them almost
> literally clawing their way back to get out.
> screams and crying, it was great!
> The only drag about it though, was that the
> chainsaw must have caught the caretaker's
> attention. we were met by the police when we
> finally decided to leave, but they just told us to
> get the hell out of there. They had a good laugh
> with us when they saw the chainsaw and heard our
> story. Fun times, Very cool place even though it
> was trashed.
>
> Love this thread. Very interesting stuff, both
> from a teenaged party place to the very real
> history behind the man and the family that rested
> there. Thanks very much to all of you!
Yeah, that was us. We just wanted to hang out in the back room too. And yes you did scare the shit out of us. I remember that chain saw showing up at a party but I can't remember who had it. Fun times!
Ride to Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Klamato McGillicuddy
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Date: November 25, 2012 01:18PM
We have a bus people! We are going to meet at the Huntington Avenue Mtro station, just off 95, every Saturday at 6 am. We'll go down US 1, Richmond Highway to the Lorton Post Office. We'll go in from there and explore, bring your digging tools and good gloves. Hopefully the coordinates will be up on Google Earth soon. Time to make it happen People!
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Posted by:
Sup yo
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Date: November 25, 2012 10:04PM
Good luck Klamato ! Bring a lawyer first
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
wnrsm
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Date: November 25, 2012 10:58PM
Since we're all older people here, this reference will work.
Get Geraldo Rivera to broadcast the unearthing of the Remey Crypt!
Get Geraldo Rivera to broadcast the unearthing of the Remey Crypt!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Haig Pakhchanian
()
Date: January 04, 2013 12:19PM
Could I possibly come over to see your artifacts? I visit my kids in stafford frequently.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Haig Pakhchanian
()
Date: January 04, 2013 12:26PM
Lorton old school.... Wrote:
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> I didn't steal anything my brothers did as
> teens,If you care to come to Stafford Va I will
> show you the gates I have.Look at the picture of
> the big marble coffin and you will see part of the
> gates,study it,what I have is the top and bottom
> part.I didn't steal them they hung around the
> house (my parents) finally I brought them
> here.Anyway the gates are made with the same
> pattern except at both ends of them there are
> places to put candles in them.Laugh all you
> want,how many stupid things did you do as a teen
> that you have regrets about now?This is how my
> brother feels about it now, that he shouldn't of
> been back there doing what he was doing,he is 59
> now, he was 17 then.Bring your camera to.
Could I come and see your artifacts? I visit Stafford often. I'm will be descrete as well. haiantnic@yahoo.com
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> I didn't steal anything my brothers did as
> teens,If you care to come to Stafford Va I will
> show you the gates I have.Look at the picture of
> the big marble coffin and you will see part of the
> gates,study it,what I have is the top and bottom
> part.I didn't steal them they hung around the
> house (my parents) finally I brought them
> here.Anyway the gates are made with the same
> pattern except at both ends of them there are
> places to put candles in them.Laugh all you
> want,how many stupid things did you do as a teen
> that you have regrets about now?This is how my
> brother feels about it now, that he shouldn't of
> been back there doing what he was doing,he is 59
> now, he was 17 then.Bring your camera to.
Could I come and see your artifacts? I visit Stafford often. I'm will be descrete as well. haiantnic@yahoo.com
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Klamato McGillicuddy
()
Date: January 20, 2013 11:30AM
Yes, your brother says I can come too. I am a well of discreteness. No worries, I bring camera. Directions please. bmehlman@fbi.gov
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Bump!
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Date: February 08, 2013 03:29PM
This is probably verboten, but Fairfax Underground is in the Washington Post again today so we probably have some fresh eyes on the forum. Bumping this thread for the new readers.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
LBSS class of 85
()
Date: February 08, 2013 04:47PM
I love the history aspect of Fairfax County, We moved into Lake Braddock in Dec of 1972, Many of the stories of the Cripts, Silos, Pits (the only site I visited in late 1980's) The Urban Legends, of Rabbit man, the person at Burke Lake. Then of course the Civil War Era of the county (Burke especially) I have been into the Silas Burke House, Had Many conversations with Willie Harlow, The Woods Community Center. The Old Railroad bed along along Burke Road. The Stores from the 70's Dart Drug and Dart Home, The Rolling Valley Mall Movie Theater. Victors Pizza (Before Domino's) how angie left Victor and opened her own store in Twinbrook. The Houses from the civil war that have either been moved, Burned Demolished in the name of Progress. Reading your account of the Cripts is very interesting. I have but 1 question, besides the Rumors it was 27 levels deep, is why was his wife the only one left here in VA? I may have missed it somewhere, but that sticks out as a question in my mind.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Klamato McGillicuddy
()
Date: March 10, 2013 02:45PM
Artifacts were no good. They give me tea to drink before I could look. I woke up with no pants and drooling. Very bad.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
History Freak
()
Date: May 17, 2013 02:36PM
The beef between Peagans (Lorton) and Hells Angels (Annandale) started at "Hillbilly Heaven Club" on Rt.1, south of Pohick. The true rumble took place at the crypts. That was in the 60's. In 72/73, my Dad and others in construction were hired to fill the crypts in. A few days into the work, when the dozer operator shut down the machine, and was walking towards my dad and others sitting on a truck tailgate, a man in a long grey, white robe, extended his arms out and asked him "Why are you desecrating this sacred ground". The operator turned towards my dad and friends and said, get aload of this guy, he wants to know why we are filling the crypt in? All of them on break asked, "What man? When he turned around, there wasn't anyone there! Needless to say, the operator called it quits, and loaded up his dozer, and left the site. Dad couldn't wait to come home and tell us about the ghost! I, independently asked 3 of the men that were there, and each told me the same story. They also said that is why there was a small opening at the top of the crypt. Job almost completed.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: June 30, 2013 03:51PM
WASHINGTON
June 30, 2013
Dear LBSS class of 85,
You had asked; "I have but 1 question, besides the Rumors it was 27 levels deep, is why was his wife the only one left here in VA? I may have missed it somewhere, but that sticks out as a question in my mind."
The answer is pretty simple. According to my research, Admiral John W. Wadleigh, Remey's brother-in-law acting on Remey's behalf, arranged to move the remains of the family members as a result of the final disposition in the civil lawsuit between Remey and the Vestry of the Pohick Church in U. S. District Court in Alexandria in 1967.
At issue was the fact that Remey's wife had committed suicide coupled with the fact that Remey himself couldn't afford to have her remains shipped to either Kansas City, Missouri where her family was from, nor to the Mason family burial ground in New York state.
In way of further explanation, the other 15 or so remains were in burial urns- cremated- not full sets of remains hence little to no cost and less legal hassle versus shipping a full set of remains. Regulations of that time period stipulated that human remains must be shipped by a licenced funeral home to a licenced funeral home/parlor.
Remey, by 1967 was all but financially tapped out. In fact, when he died in 1974, he died a pauper. A family source told me that there would have been little to no support by anyone in the family to have borne the costs associated with shipping her remains.
Now, the other issue was the manner of her death. Ironically, she was buried down the hill in the Pohick church's graveyard, in an area that was unconsecrated, which was prescribed for suicides as the church views this as sin. Today of course, her grave is surrounded by other folks and times have changed and suicide- save maybe for a Catholic parish graveyard- is no longer a barrier to a burial in those graveyards.
I hope that answers your question.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
(202) 556-0877
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/30/2013 03:53PM by Brody Levesque.
June 30, 2013
Dear LBSS class of 85,
You had asked; "I have but 1 question, besides the Rumors it was 27 levels deep, is why was his wife the only one left here in VA? I may have missed it somewhere, but that sticks out as a question in my mind."
The answer is pretty simple. According to my research, Admiral John W. Wadleigh, Remey's brother-in-law acting on Remey's behalf, arranged to move the remains of the family members as a result of the final disposition in the civil lawsuit between Remey and the Vestry of the Pohick Church in U. S. District Court in Alexandria in 1967.
At issue was the fact that Remey's wife had committed suicide coupled with the fact that Remey himself couldn't afford to have her remains shipped to either Kansas City, Missouri where her family was from, nor to the Mason family burial ground in New York state.
In way of further explanation, the other 15 or so remains were in burial urns- cremated- not full sets of remains hence little to no cost and less legal hassle versus shipping a full set of remains. Regulations of that time period stipulated that human remains must be shipped by a licenced funeral home to a licenced funeral home/parlor.
Remey, by 1967 was all but financially tapped out. In fact, when he died in 1974, he died a pauper. A family source told me that there would have been little to no support by anyone in the family to have borne the costs associated with shipping her remains.
Now, the other issue was the manner of her death. Ironically, she was buried down the hill in the Pohick church's graveyard, in an area that was unconsecrated, which was prescribed for suicides as the church views this as sin. Today of course, her grave is surrounded by other folks and times have changed and suicide- save maybe for a Catholic parish graveyard- is no longer a barrier to a burial in those graveyards.
I hope that answers your question.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
(202) 556-0877
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/30/2013 03:53PM by Brody Levesque.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jorhanca
()
Date: July 23, 2013 10:07PM
Is this thread dead? Just finished reading the whole thing and I'll be really sad if the story's over! :(
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: July 23, 2013 10:32PM
WASHINGTON
July 23, 2013
Dear Jorhanca,
I seriously doubt that this thread has passed on given the amount of interest that this subject generates, particularly among those folks who actively participated in some of the "partying @ the crypts" during its heyday.
I am still very much active researching this story when time permits and as I discover new sources of information.
Sadly, the Pohick Church has been extremely reluctant to cooperate with my research regarding church records of the Vestry minutes covering the events leading up to Remey's lease of the property he built the Remeum on and also the Vestry minutes of the meetings where the church finally sued to get the property back.
I have also not received permission to visit the site myself to examine what is now left although as you can see from the photos and posts, others have so at least there is a record of the remains still standing.
I hope to have some free time later this fall to start the actual writing of the entire story, of which I will be sharing excerpts here with the readers of this thread.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
(202) 556-0877
July 23, 2013
Dear Jorhanca,
I seriously doubt that this thread has passed on given the amount of interest that this subject generates, particularly among those folks who actively participated in some of the "partying @ the crypts" during its heyday.
I am still very much active researching this story when time permits and as I discover new sources of information.
Sadly, the Pohick Church has been extremely reluctant to cooperate with my research regarding church records of the Vestry minutes covering the events leading up to Remey's lease of the property he built the Remeum on and also the Vestry minutes of the meetings where the church finally sued to get the property back.
I have also not received permission to visit the site myself to examine what is now left although as you can see from the photos and posts, others have so at least there is a record of the remains still standing.
I hope to have some free time later this fall to start the actual writing of the entire story, of which I will be sharing excerpts here with the readers of this thread.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
(202) 556-0877
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
DCON
()
Date: July 24, 2013 11:38AM
Brody Levesque Wrote:
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> WASHINGTON
>
> July 23, 2013
>
> Dear Jorhanca,
>
> I seriously doubt that this thread has passed on
> given the amount of interest that this subject
> generates, particularly among those folks who
> actively participated in some of the "partying @
> the crypts" during its heyday.
>
> I am still very much active researching this story
> when time permits and as I discover new sources of
> information.
>
> Sadly, the Pohick Church has been extremely
> reluctant to cooperate with my research regarding
> church records of the Vestry minutes covering the
> events leading up to Remey's lease of the property
> he built the Remeum on and also the Vestry minutes
> of the meetings where the church finally sued to
> get the property back.
>
> I have also not received permission to visit the
> site myself to examine what is now left although
> as you can see from the photos and posts, others
> have so at least there is a record of the remains
> still standing.
>
> I hope to have some free time later this fall to
> start the actual writing of the entire story, of
> which I will be sharing excerpts here with the
> readers of this thread.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Brody Levesque
>
> theroadtraveler@gmail.com
>
> (202) 556-0877
Brody,
Thanks for all that you have posted.I look forward to reading more.I visited the Crypts many times while a student at J.E.B. Stuart High between 1979 and 1982. We always wondered what was behind that blocked in wall at the end of the chamber.Surely there are pictures out there of the other level(s)?
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> WASHINGTON
>
> July 23, 2013
>
> Dear Jorhanca,
>
> I seriously doubt that this thread has passed on
> given the amount of interest that this subject
> generates, particularly among those folks who
> actively participated in some of the "partying @
> the crypts" during its heyday.
>
> I am still very much active researching this story
> when time permits and as I discover new sources of
> information.
>
> Sadly, the Pohick Church has been extremely
> reluctant to cooperate with my research regarding
> church records of the Vestry minutes covering the
> events leading up to Remey's lease of the property
> he built the Remeum on and also the Vestry minutes
> of the meetings where the church finally sued to
> get the property back.
>
> I have also not received permission to visit the
> site myself to examine what is now left although
> as you can see from the photos and posts, others
> have so at least there is a record of the remains
> still standing.
>
> I hope to have some free time later this fall to
> start the actual writing of the entire story, of
> which I will be sharing excerpts here with the
> readers of this thread.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Brody Levesque
>
> theroadtraveler@gmail.com
>
> (202) 556-0877
Brody,
Thanks for all that you have posted.I look forward to reading more.I visited the Crypts many times while a student at J.E.B. Stuart High between 1979 and 1982. We always wondered what was behind that blocked in wall at the end of the chamber.Surely there are pictures out there of the other level(s)?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Old Dude
()
Date: July 24, 2013 12:48PM
DCON Wrote:
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>
> Brody,
>
> Thanks for all that you have posted.I look forward
> to reading more.I visited the Crypts many times
> while a student at J.E.B. Stuart High between 1979
> and 1982. We always wondered what was behind that
> blocked in wall at the end of the chamber.Surely
> there are pictures out there of the other
> level(s)?
I'm really surprised that wall never came down. We pecked away at it a few times but never had any tools with us or knew what was there to have the incentive to really go after it. Had we known there was all that behind there we surely would have.
Doubtful there are any pictures other than maybe if some were taken during/after construction. I don't think that there are many who got in there before it was blocked up and people didn't have cameras with them all the time like they do now. The odds of finding someone who did, and took pictures, and still has them, and finds this thread and posts them are very, very low.
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>
> Brody,
>
> Thanks for all that you have posted.I look forward
> to reading more.I visited the Crypts many times
> while a student at J.E.B. Stuart High between 1979
> and 1982. We always wondered what was behind that
> blocked in wall at the end of the chamber.Surely
> there are pictures out there of the other
> level(s)?
I'm really surprised that wall never came down. We pecked away at it a few times but never had any tools with us or knew what was there to have the incentive to really go after it. Had we known there was all that behind there we surely would have.
Doubtful there are any pictures other than maybe if some were taken during/after construction. I don't think that there are many who got in there before it was blocked up and people didn't have cameras with them all the time like they do now. The odds of finding someone who did, and took pictures, and still has them, and finds this thread and posts them are very, very low.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bumpin
()
Date: August 09, 2013 02:16PM
Every day im BUMPIN it .....
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Anna Goddard
()
Date: August 18, 2013 02:17PM
Hello today. We are from the Netherlands to visit Washington. Yesterday was holiday so we go to see the Remy museo. The cab takes us to church and we walk. Many police come and we are given notices but no arrest. Police take us back to Washington and say do not go anymore. We did see nothing but woods and church. Did we go to wrong place? Is this secret place? One more week and we return for university. Who can take us there?
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Posted by:
J.E.Hoyle
()
Date: August 24, 2013 12:00AM
I've lived in Lorton for my entire life, 42 years. I've heard my friends tell me about this place for years, as it was pretty much covered over when I was approaching my teens, and I grew up in Mason Neck. I think that Brody should interview more old pagan bikers who used to go to The Crypts. I look forward to a book, TV show, or something on "The Crypts" soon.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
J.E.Hoyle
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Date: August 24, 2013 12:27AM
Hey Dutch People: You were in Fairfax County, which has a major police presence since the early 80's pretty much. If you'd read earlier posts, especially by Brody Levesque, you'd know that Pohick Church apparently prosecutes trespassers. I live nearby and even I'm a little scared to go, mainly because I don't need to deal with the heat, not to mention the ticks and chiggers. My friend, who went in The Crypts as a kid, told me that a few years back he asked someone in charge at the Church about The Crypts, and he said it was like a storm cloud gathered around the person as they leered down at him disdainfully..You were lucky. They gave you a ride back to DC too?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
GlenGould
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Date: August 25, 2013 05:11AM
Brody,
I suspect you already know this, but there is a good chance the flood gates will open when you get something widely published. This story is inherently fascinating--and not just locally--in so many areas: history, religion, architecture, culture, folklore, conflict. I've been captivated by the mystery of the Remey mausoleum since the early 80s and having followed this thread for a couple of years now I see credible evidence that much of the structure remains intact. Once you get the word out the curiosity will not be stopped. Some sort of archaeological expedition will surely follow. This story is a goldmine of 20th-century weirdness and intrigue. Perhaps you can make the landowners recognize that they will only quell the lure of the unknown by acknowledging all this fascination and allowing a well-documented investigation to take place.
Thanks for all your work on this subject.
I suspect you already know this, but there is a good chance the flood gates will open when you get something widely published. This story is inherently fascinating--and not just locally--in so many areas: history, religion, architecture, culture, folklore, conflict. I've been captivated by the mystery of the Remey mausoleum since the early 80s and having followed this thread for a couple of years now I see credible evidence that much of the structure remains intact. Once you get the word out the curiosity will not be stopped. Some sort of archaeological expedition will surely follow. This story is a goldmine of 20th-century weirdness and intrigue. Perhaps you can make the landowners recognize that they will only quell the lure of the unknown by acknowledging all this fascination and allowing a well-documented investigation to take place.
Thanks for all your work on this subject.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Enrico Palazzo
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Date: August 25, 2013 05:52AM
I wonder if it is legal to tunnel way underneath and "enter" the crypts from below. Though this is probably not feasible it sounds really cool. Can you imagine being the first one to enter with a torch?
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Lonnie Frericks
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Date: August 25, 2013 10:26AM
Enrico, I would be willing to help dig a tunnel and be the first person to enter. Are you seriously going to put this together?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
wnrsm
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Date: August 25, 2013 12:14PM
The church likely won't be moved to allow anything to happen on that site due to the nuisance it has been in the past.
One way that might make them change their mind is to have some "legitimate" organization ask to excavate it as part of a dig for historical artifacts. This organization would have to put up a bond and have the resources to restore the site to a natural state when complete.
The church might be motivated by having this nuisance (trespassers and, especially, that obelisk) removed once and for all.
I think I left my car keys down there too, so we can grab those while we're at it.
Can anybody think of any organizations that might be interested? Will it turn out to be a letdown like Geraldo Rivera's opening of Capone's vaults? This area is rich with history - I imagine some group would be interested if they were able to solicit donations for the effort.
One more idea: Let the memory of the tomb's nuisance fade along with the elders passing away for another two or three decades - then see if the next generation's curiosity is as strong as it is here in this thread.
One way that might make them change their mind is to have some "legitimate" organization ask to excavate it as part of a dig for historical artifacts. This organization would have to put up a bond and have the resources to restore the site to a natural state when complete.
The church might be motivated by having this nuisance (trespassers and, especially, that obelisk) removed once and for all.
I think I left my car keys down there too, so we can grab those while we're at it.
Can anybody think of any organizations that might be interested? Will it turn out to be a letdown like Geraldo Rivera's opening of Capone's vaults? This area is rich with history - I imagine some group would be interested if they were able to solicit donations for the effort.
One more idea: Let the memory of the tomb's nuisance fade along with the elders passing away for another two or three decades - then see if the next generation's curiosity is as strong as it is here in this thread.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
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The Craven Warlock Breed
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Date: August 25, 2013 01:44PM
We shall never let the memory of our forefathers pass in vain. We shall reclaim the site of our our hallowed coven, descend into its lower levels and find our way to the murky pits of hell and prepare for the Great Awakening. Or some such bullshit.
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Posted by:
abelard
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Date: August 25, 2013 03:17PM
>Can anybody think of any organizations that might be interested? Will it turn out
>to be a letdown like Geraldo Rivera's opening of Capone's vaults?
Rules vary between states and I've never led a crew in Virginia so I may be wrong here, but I'll bet it'd be virtually impossible to get permission to dig your way in. I mean real permission, although you might not need it if you can get the landowner to agree. If that's a church and there're dead folks down there, good luck.
That said, if they could be and they wanted an actual archaeologist to consult on this, I might be available. Scratch any archaeologist and you'll find a treasure hunter, or at least the soul of one.
>to be a letdown like Geraldo Rivera's opening of Capone's vaults?
Rules vary between states and I've never led a crew in Virginia so I may be wrong here, but I'll bet it'd be virtually impossible to get permission to dig your way in. I mean real permission, although you might not need it if you can get the landowner to agree. If that's a church and there're dead folks down there, good luck.
That said, if they could be and they wanted an actual archaeologist to consult on this, I might be available. Scratch any archaeologist and you'll find a treasure hunter, or at least the soul of one.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Gregg
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Date: September 17, 2013 01:04PM
Hey RustyHammer,
Aren't you my fellow bandmate where we played at your house with our band? I never realized we were that close to the crypts. I had always wanted to visit. It has to be you...the stage, parties, jamming until 4AM. A cool place, amazing how you made it work for yourself and your dog. If it's you, and I'm pretty sure it is, hope you are doing well and still making music. Give me a shout if you like at gtrgregg@yahoo. Peace. -Gregg
Aren't you my fellow bandmate where we played at your house with our band? I never realized we were that close to the crypts. I had always wanted to visit. It has to be you...the stage, parties, jamming until 4AM. A cool place, amazing how you made it work for yourself and your dog. If it's you, and I'm pretty sure it is, hope you are doing well and still making music. Give me a shout if you like at gtrgregg@yahoo. Peace. -Gregg
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Enrico Palazzo
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Date: September 17, 2013 01:21PM
All our lives we're simply passing through history. This...This IS history.
Bellock
Bellock
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Johnny
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Date: September 25, 2013 12:20PM
This is an amazing thread.
I just stumbled across it accidentally yesterday morning, and I have continuously reading every post on every page ever since. To see almost two years of info all at once, with the great photos and stories is simply fantastic.
I grew up in Arlington and graduated high school in 1980. I never went to "The Crypts" but I certainly heard of them. Never from someone who had actually been there, always at least third-hand info about somebody else's older brother who had been there, or something like that. I didn't even know where they were, just somewhere in Fairfax. But they were always described as spooky and a party hangout.
I hadn't even thought about them in years. Wow, this was a terrific read. Thanks to all of you for all the work you did here. And to think that we are all at least 50 years old now!
I just stumbled across it accidentally yesterday morning, and I have continuously reading every post on every page ever since. To see almost two years of info all at once, with the great photos and stories is simply fantastic.
I grew up in Arlington and graduated high school in 1980. I never went to "The Crypts" but I certainly heard of them. Never from someone who had actually been there, always at least third-hand info about somebody else's older brother who had been there, or something like that. I didn't even know where they were, just somewhere in Fairfax. But they were always described as spooky and a party hangout.
I hadn't even thought about them in years. Wow, this was a terrific read. Thanks to all of you for all the work you did here. And to think that we are all at least 50 years old now!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Amazing Place
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Date: September 25, 2013 07:39PM
When we visited, back the mid 70s I think, there were boxes and boxes of different kinds and colors of small tiles inside. Probably for completion of the walls, floors, whatever. The tiles were brightly colored and of course we took some since the boxes were opened with tiles spilled all over the floors, but they're long gone from my possession.
Also remember walking in an outside courtyard that contained writings inside niches in the surrounding walls. I believe they were prayers and spiritual writings.
I also remember all the horror stories about people looking inside the crypts and finding bodies. Didn't happen. The remains were removed before the place was abandoned, as I'm sure someone has written in this thread.
Real shame this place was never completed; I'm sure it would have been an amazing and beautiful place. We were amazed that a place like that existed in our area. I so wish we had taken pictures, but hey, we didn't have cell phones back then!
Also remember walking in an outside courtyard that contained writings inside niches in the surrounding walls. I believe they were prayers and spiritual writings.
I also remember all the horror stories about people looking inside the crypts and finding bodies. Didn't happen. The remains were removed before the place was abandoned, as I'm sure someone has written in this thread.
Real shame this place was never completed; I'm sure it would have been an amazing and beautiful place. We were amazed that a place like that existed in our area. I so wish we had taken pictures, but hey, we didn't have cell phones back then!
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Posted by:
Allan Payne
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Date: September 29, 2013 01:42PM
"I so wish we had taken pictures, but hey, we didn't have cell phones back then!"
Hey dumbass, "we" did have cameras back then. I smoked at least a couple of pounds of weed in the krypts. Also camped out there a few times. I took a lot of pictures. Spent a ton of money getting them developed.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brain
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Date: December 07, 2013 12:27AM
Nice try on those photo's. Ones a photo of a Roman Crypt, and the other is a cemetery vault from Edinburgh Scotland.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
CARTERSLADE
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Date: December 08, 2013 06:47PM
Well been reading for hours all 8 pages some report.I saved every pic Icould.You see never took a camera with me all those years ago wish I had.And through all 8 pages the pics I was really looking for were absent.I saw alot of pics some made me go whom!the one of the entrance in 91 that looked more like 81 82.Iwas there not shure of year other than it was befor 91 Ilive in alex all my life moved in 91 havent been bac since and it was a couple of years befor i left iam thinkig 88 89 in winter feb the place I had been to many times was gone me and a friend who also had been with me when we were younger were walking on alevel out area were it use to be entrance walls gone fairly fresh dirt no grass weeds zip.in some areas track marks from dozerall that was there was cross at the east end 2 vent shafts on sothwest edge at cleared line and tree line that was it.pic in 91 looked about how it was in 80s befor not as much dirt in front of and a big rock or concrete slab you had to squeze behind to get in.well bac to pics.all were nice to see and have. blue prints well got me doing alot of thinking.see first time I was there 77was 15we parked pohick rd 6 of us jetted over 1 down path dobbermans barking not cockerspaniels uphill to entrance when we arrived we were met by people leaving we heard thm they heard us everyone hidd for next 30 min we were in a stale mate noone moved or spoke finally some said hay and everyone came out we went in it was somthing to be hold even in a trashed state all marble collumms that still shined there was a main room as soon as you climbed down the half ass wooden ladder the long room was a sort o f waiting worshiping room benchs of marble made to the walls4 or 5 per side statues everywhere most headless we drank and made merry for a while others came you coud hear them befor they squezzed behind rock at entrance we turned off lites darkest place ive ever seen like being blind.When they got in and down the ladder we made noises and whale scared the shit out a few good fun.They stayed a while left and then a strange thing happen we were yaking and cutting up when to our suprise and being the only one in the joint a guy appeared from the rear I mean at the end away from entrance he was not with privious crowd he walked up said hey we were like.wtf he started talking about the joint. we ask were did you come from he kept talking the other 4 freinds got a little detached ignoring the guy and his info he was rambling on about. me and another were listening the others tuned him out he was telling us about other levels and took us in the direction he came from in the bac there wre 5 rooms. Between to bac rooms ther was a passage way now bricked up you see differance in bricks he said this was the way to lower levels this was close to admirals room I no this because I said bac in begining 2 pics I hadent seen or heard anyone mention the white marble battleship inlaid in wall adorning tomb it was 2 to 3 ft wide 5 or 6 feet I was suprised no pic nobody mention it in any forum ?Also a block of green marble as big as a coctale table that said medatation.We went bac to front to were the rest of gang was we started telling them what this guy said they were a couple years older and said they been coming here for a couple years the 5 rooms were it.we took them bac to the rear and were dude was we walked bac he was gone we showed them the spot in the wall they said they never noticed it befor and then we spent another hour trying to find out how this guy got out was not hiding in tomb only a couple were open we looked for other exits tap on walls nothing the guy looked 40 at least glasses said he been coming here for20 years moer people came we went bac to what we were doing be for dude did his whoodinne act to this day i stll wonder and then see these blue prints and pics whom always thought the crypts were part of the old pohick church did not no of remey family tomb never paid attention to names of admiral so it all is really something would giveanything to see the place down there again one last time befor iam dead!all I no is the guy never left or came in the way we did!!!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
CARTERSLADE
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Date: December 10, 2013 05:08PM
Sorry about poor grammer and writing skills caught up in memory of pass girfreind tryed to repair laughing all the way edit would not allow when she was correcting said only editor was allowed so much for edit opp! noticed in pics from this site pic one when you zoom in to the right of tall pilliard and to left of v in tree line top of cross is seen also in pic2 of cross v in tree line in later pic still seen one can line up pillar of cross for poss fix
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Posted by:
CARTERSLADE
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Date: December 11, 2013 11:55AM
Zoom on first pic see the cross 2 pic v in tree line pics years apart tree line still there matchs up with old pic
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Bev
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Date: December 20, 2013 10:05PM
This is an amazing site. After 46 years I've found the answer to the mystery that has been with me all these years. I was only about 17 or 18 from Indiana and was driving down what I believe then was route 1, when without reason or rhyme I was compelled to stop along side the road, it was as though something made me stop and determined me to walk into what was then the wooded area beside the Church. It was there in a clearing I saw the bricked walls and large iron gates. I could only pier in to see the grounds.
When the person I was with indicated he felt as though someone was watching us - there wasn't a sound or even a hint of breeze, but his insight was correct, a man approached and explained it was a private burial tome for a man's wife...which tonight I find to be true. Thanks I have often attempted to find additional information on that location probably because finding it seemed so out of the ordinary, It was what I would call a truly unnatural pull to the place...I had never been in VA before those two years in my life and certainly knew nothing of the Remey Tome Thanks Glad to Know
When the person I was with indicated he felt as though someone was watching us - there wasn't a sound or even a hint of breeze, but his insight was correct, a man approached and explained it was a private burial tome for a man's wife...which tonight I find to be true. Thanks I have often attempted to find additional information on that location probably because finding it seemed so out of the ordinary, It was what I would call a truly unnatural pull to the place...I had never been in VA before those two years in my life and certainly knew nothing of the Remey Tome Thanks Glad to Know
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
crypt keeper
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Date: December 23, 2013 07:58PM
Where did the activity on this one go? Brody? Guys? Maybe the curse of the Remeum claimed them all! Post at your own risk. Made some good reading though, I heard of the crypts back in the late seventies/early eighties but was a carless kid. Been to other cool places though, this one would have rocked though. Revive this thread!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
crypt keeper
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Date: December 23, 2013 07:58PM
Where did the activity on this one go? Brody? Guys? Maybe the curse of the Remeum claimed them all! Post at your own risk. Made some good reading though, I heard of the crypts back in the late seventies/early eighties but was a carless kid. Been to other cool places though, this one would have rocked though. Revive this thread!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
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Date: December 24, 2013 06:03PM
WASHINGTON
Christmas Eve 2013
Dear Folks,
Here's wishing all of you a Happy Holiday & my desire that the new year will be peaceful and productive for all of you.
Working on the book now and occasional additional research.
My thanks again to all of you who wrote, called, e-mailed, and provided valuable insight into a story that quite frankly was amazing. Be well.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
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Christmas Eve 2013
Dear Folks,
Here's wishing all of you a Happy Holiday & my desire that the new year will be peaceful and productive for all of you.
Working on the book now and occasional additional research.
My thanks again to all of you who wrote, called, e-mailed, and provided valuable insight into a story that quite frankly was amazing. Be well.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
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Dr Meredith Grey
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Date: December 25, 2013 02:55PM
Brody,
Wishing you a Merry Christmas. Our next session is scheduled for Thursday morning at 9:15. We will continue our discussion of obsessing over a pile of refuse that is buried under tons of dirt and will never be seen during your lifetime. Tell all the "pool boys" at http://www.islandhousekeywest.com/ I said hello! La ti da.
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Wishing you a Merry Christmas. Our next session is scheduled for Thursday morning at 9:15. We will continue our discussion of obsessing over a pile of refuse that is buried under tons of dirt and will never be seen during your lifetime. Tell all the "pool boys" at http://www.islandhousekeywest.com/ I said hello! La ti da.
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Posted by:
Wes Meade 2014
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Date: January 10, 2014 01:16PM
Certainly hoping that 2014 will bring some new information and enthusiasm to this project! Anyone up for a cold winter visit to the Remeum?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
6X
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Date: February 18, 2014 07:35PM
I did some digging and uncovered this.
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part of the tomb still exists
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Date: February 18, 2014 09:12PM
increasing scrutiny of local law enforcement became a legal liability to the parish which ultimately contracted with a local road construction company based in nearby Newington, Virginia, to cover over the complex completely and regrade the area so as to eradicate any traces. This was accomplished in the fall of 1983.
Currently the only remaining features of the Remeum are an obelisk honoring Remey's father and mother which stood at one end of the courtyard, south of the inner atrium's entrance, and two chimney/vent structures. The area has been reforested since the 1983 site-work and there are no other visible traces of the complex left.
There remains considerable debate over just how much of the below-ground sections of the mausoleum were ever completed and may still exist below ground. Some claim it was only the one five-room subterranean level, while some witnesses have reported at least two, and possibly as many as five sub-levels.
38°42'26"N 77°11'47"W coordinates of the tomb
Currently the only remaining features of the Remeum are an obelisk honoring Remey's father and mother which stood at one end of the courtyard, south of the inner atrium's entrance, and two chimney/vent structures. The area has been reforested since the 1983 site-work and there are no other visible traces of the complex left.
There remains considerable debate over just how much of the below-ground sections of the mausoleum were ever completed and may still exist below ground. Some claim it was only the one five-room subterranean level, while some witnesses have reported at least two, and possibly as many as five sub-levels.
38°42'26"N 77°11'47"W coordinates of the tomb
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Visitor
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Date: February 18, 2014 10:34PM
Thanks for the picture--I remember that courtyard. On the walls were various plaques, but I don't remember what they were. Very cool place. Shame it was covered up.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Mike T
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Date: February 20, 2014 03:28PM
What a great thread! It brought back lots of memories.
A couple of small things I can add ... You should probably include Thomas Jefferson High School to your list of schools that frequented The Crypts. It was a well known right of passage for us in the late 1970's / early 80's.
Also, I noticed a few people on here going back and forth on whether The Pagans and Hells Angels ever had a big fight there. I can confirm that there was indeed a fairly large fight (with some bikers) that happened on Halloween of 1981. (Actually, It might have been 1982 ? .. but I'm leaning more towards 1981).
It was late Halloween night. My friends and I were down inside the Crypt with a few other people partying. A group of maybe 4 or 5 bikers started climbing through the entrance hole. They were being pretty rowdy, yelling and talking about fighting. I remember at least 2 of them having "Pagans" jackets on.
It was starting to get crowded in there, so we made our way towards the hole to leave. Right as I was climbing out, I heard people (from outside) yelling; "Fight!"
As I got out and my eyes adjusted, I could see small groups of people fighting all over the place. Some were bikers, some had chains and bats, and others looked more like just random teenagers?
As we were getting our barring's straight, and trying to regroup, I spun around just in time to see one of my friends get picked up and body slammed to the ground by a biker. Another biker with a chain swung it at my other friend, and he went down. Luckily for me, police sirens had just started blaring and everyone was yelling; "Cops!" and scrambling to get out of there.
The two bikers that jumped us, ran off, and within seconds we could hear dogs barking, bullhorns, and flashlights were coming our way. There were at least 50 people there ... all running in different directions.
We ended up loosing a few of our friends in the melee and hiding out in some bushes, before finally getting up the courage to sneak back to the cars. Along the way, we saw several ambulances, lots of police cars, and a few officers with police dogs.
I never saw a Hell's Angels jacket. Although, it all happened so fast, I couldn't be certain if they were there or not? It may have just been some drunken Pagan bikers celebrating Halloween by beating on some high school kids?
Looking back on it all, the funny thing was that my friends and I were all dressed up for Halloween. I was a pimp, wearing a loud suit, vest, hat, and carrying a cane. Two of the girls with us were my call girls, and my friend that got body slammed in the fight ... was also dressed up as a girl.
A lot of what happened that night is just a fading memory, but I can still see, in perfect slow motion, the imagine of my friend ... in his dress, being flipped over onto the ground.
When we reconnected with him at the car, one of his balloon breasts had been popped in the altercation. We laughed about that for years.
Ahhh, Good times. Good times.
A couple of small things I can add ... You should probably include Thomas Jefferson High School to your list of schools that frequented The Crypts. It was a well known right of passage for us in the late 1970's / early 80's.
Also, I noticed a few people on here going back and forth on whether The Pagans and Hells Angels ever had a big fight there. I can confirm that there was indeed a fairly large fight (with some bikers) that happened on Halloween of 1981. (Actually, It might have been 1982 ? .. but I'm leaning more towards 1981).
It was late Halloween night. My friends and I were down inside the Crypt with a few other people partying. A group of maybe 4 or 5 bikers started climbing through the entrance hole. They were being pretty rowdy, yelling and talking about fighting. I remember at least 2 of them having "Pagans" jackets on.
It was starting to get crowded in there, so we made our way towards the hole to leave. Right as I was climbing out, I heard people (from outside) yelling; "Fight!"
As I got out and my eyes adjusted, I could see small groups of people fighting all over the place. Some were bikers, some had chains and bats, and others looked more like just random teenagers?
As we were getting our barring's straight, and trying to regroup, I spun around just in time to see one of my friends get picked up and body slammed to the ground by a biker. Another biker with a chain swung it at my other friend, and he went down. Luckily for me, police sirens had just started blaring and everyone was yelling; "Cops!" and scrambling to get out of there.
The two bikers that jumped us, ran off, and within seconds we could hear dogs barking, bullhorns, and flashlights were coming our way. There were at least 50 people there ... all running in different directions.
We ended up loosing a few of our friends in the melee and hiding out in some bushes, before finally getting up the courage to sneak back to the cars. Along the way, we saw several ambulances, lots of police cars, and a few officers with police dogs.
I never saw a Hell's Angels jacket. Although, it all happened so fast, I couldn't be certain if they were there or not? It may have just been some drunken Pagan bikers celebrating Halloween by beating on some high school kids?
Looking back on it all, the funny thing was that my friends and I were all dressed up for Halloween. I was a pimp, wearing a loud suit, vest, hat, and carrying a cane. Two of the girls with us were my call girls, and my friend that got body slammed in the fight ... was also dressed up as a girl.
A lot of what happened that night is just a fading memory, but I can still see, in perfect slow motion, the imagine of my friend ... in his dress, being flipped over onto the ground.
When we reconnected with him at the car, one of his balloon breasts had been popped in the altercation. We laughed about that for years.
Ahhh, Good times. Good times.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The Yellow King
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Date: March 24, 2014 03:44PM
Carcosa
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
JML
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Date: June 06, 2014 09:43PM
Has anyone been around the site to explore lately? Any progress on the story Brody?
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Posted by:
Brody Levesque
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Date: June 07, 2014 12:05AM
WASHINGTON
June 6, 2014
Dear JML,
The research is done and now I'm writing the story.
To quote the "Grateful Dead," 'What a long strange trip it's been.'
Sadly though, my 'day job' as a journalist has prevented me from spending enough time to speed up the process.
I hope to have a first draft by November and I'll publish excerpts here in the thread for its followers when I do.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
June 6, 2014
Dear JML,
The research is done and now I'm writing the story.
To quote the "Grateful Dead," 'What a long strange trip it's been.'
Sadly though, my 'day job' as a journalist has prevented me from spending enough time to speed up the process.
I hope to have a first draft by November and I'll publish excerpts here in the thread for its followers when I do.
Sincerely,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
AA Crypt Seeker
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Date: August 15, 2014 09:41PM
No updates recently, hope this subject isn't dead. I would think it's not since there is so much interest in this old crypt. Never went there, but I heard plenty about it. I graduated Annandale in 82 and there was plenty of talk about the "crypts". Just so sorry after reading all these posts that I unfortunately never made it out there.
Thanks to all that have posted and to Brody for his efforts. Look forward to seeing the outcome of everyones efforts. Will be back to check on progress.
Good Luck!
Thanks to all that have posted and to Brody for his efforts. Look forward to seeing the outcome of everyones efforts. Will be back to check on progress.
Good Luck!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Enrico Palazzo
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Date: August 15, 2014 10:04PM
Thanks Brody for your work on this.
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Posted by:
Lorton old timer
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Date: October 24, 2014 12:31AM
bump
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Posted by:
Glen Anderson
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Date: November 03, 2014 08:28PM
Brody,
Thanks from myself for the work on the Crypts. Not sure if you were aware of a picture I saw of some books about the Remey Family History that was at Two Guys Antiques & Collectibles in Dumfries, Va. in 2012. This picture is from Facebook.
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Thanks from myself for the work on the Crypts. Not sure if you were aware of a picture I saw of some books about the Remey Family History that was at Two Guys Antiques & Collectibles in Dumfries, Va. in 2012. This picture is from Facebook.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Joanne Steele
()
Date: November 05, 2014 02:44PM
I bought those books back in 2000. If you wish to purchase them please contact me at: hytec@shentel.net
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Annandale Local
()
Date: November 10, 2014 01:12PM
Any chance anyone can look up Bob Saget's posts that were deleted? I am curious to know what he wrote about that got him in trouble and made him manually delete all the poasts.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Shmaug
()
Date: November 11, 2014 12:22PM
Who cares about a bunch of old bricks buried in the ground and some fat old flamer who wants to write a book about them?
Look to infinity, and beyond............
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Look to infinity, and beyond............
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bump a delphia
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Date: November 17, 2014 09:46AM
bump
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
KellyC
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Date: November 22, 2014 11:57AM
It's nearing the end of November. I have been following and checking this forum for quite some time, anxiously awaiting excerpts from Brody's book. How is that coming along, Brody?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Johnny
()
Date: November 22, 2014 06:37PM
Great thread. I've read it all. Please add me to the list that is anxiously awaiting Brody's work. I can't wait and I am truly hoping he is holding photos of the innermost rooms.
Class of 83 here... I ventured out with 2 older friends late one afternoon in either 80 or 81, parked across Route 1, and quietly trekked to the entrance of the crypts. I don't think we were drunk enough cause it was scary as hell. We each stuck our upper torso through the rough opening but did not go inside. I mainly remember a bunch of beer cans and garbage on the floors and a musty stale stench of an odor in there. I could tell lots of people had come and gone as the path was well beaten but we didn't see anyone at all that night.
Regarding the vents... I have read that the Remeum may have included an actual onsite crematorium... Is there any chance that one or maybe both of the vents you guys have documented here were originally not for air exchange at all but rather to provide combustion air and/or exhaust of the smoke from the cremations? They obviously don't top off at an elevation right now that seems high enough for this use, but we know for certain that there have been at least a couple of serious changes in elevation there that may likely have substantially "shortened" there height above grade.
Leaving the obelisk standing makes sense but I find it VERY INTERESTING that the vents and the site survey markers are still there and visible if anything below was demolished.
I am also remaining suspicious that the reason Brody has not been allowed access to the minutes of the meetings regarding the church actions on the property and on Remey is that their possibly may have been some legal liberties played that the church isn't very proud of. It seems that Remey wouldn't have been able to afford much of a legal defense by the time the church was coming after the property.
Regardless.. this is a most interesting place on the internet.
Class of 83 here... I ventured out with 2 older friends late one afternoon in either 80 or 81, parked across Route 1, and quietly trekked to the entrance of the crypts. I don't think we were drunk enough cause it was scary as hell. We each stuck our upper torso through the rough opening but did not go inside. I mainly remember a bunch of beer cans and garbage on the floors and a musty stale stench of an odor in there. I could tell lots of people had come and gone as the path was well beaten but we didn't see anyone at all that night.
Regarding the vents... I have read that the Remeum may have included an actual onsite crematorium... Is there any chance that one or maybe both of the vents you guys have documented here were originally not for air exchange at all but rather to provide combustion air and/or exhaust of the smoke from the cremations? They obviously don't top off at an elevation right now that seems high enough for this use, but we know for certain that there have been at least a couple of serious changes in elevation there that may likely have substantially "shortened" there height above grade.
Leaving the obelisk standing makes sense but I find it VERY INTERESTING that the vents and the site survey markers are still there and visible if anything below was demolished.
I am also remaining suspicious that the reason Brody has not been allowed access to the minutes of the meetings regarding the church actions on the property and on Remey is that their possibly may have been some legal liberties played that the church isn't very proud of. It seems that Remey wouldn't have been able to afford much of a legal defense by the time the church was coming after the property.
Regardless.. this is a most interesting place on the internet.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
don vega
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Date: January 09, 2015 07:48PM
2015 bump
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The real Alan Rogers
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Date: January 17, 2015 03:56PM
Hey Brody, Happy New Year and looking forward to a good one! How is the book coming along? I am sure it will be a historical read; and many people would be interested to learn of the Crypts (even ones who have never visited them). Let me know so I can buy a copy.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jeff mcdermott
()
Date: February 17, 2015 09:53AM
that's him.......that's the gentleman that chased us out of the woods with his 2 dogs and walking cane......what a night !!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Cap'n Chaos
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Date: April 10, 2015 12:32PM
One thing I don't understand is how the portion behind the "91" entrance is constructed. Shouldn't there be a wall there? It doesn't look like there is one. It just looks like a mound of dirt. And if so, what's to stop you from just walking up the mound and dropping right into the inner courtyard? Seems kind of pointless to build 20ft. walls all around the place if they are basically allowing you access to the top so easily.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ghost of Remey
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Date: April 10, 2015 01:12PM
Cap'n Chaos Wrote:
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> One thing I don't understand is how the portion
> behind the "91" entrance is constructed. Shouldn't
> there be a wall there? It doesn't look like there
> is one. It just looks like a mound of dirt. And if
> so, what's to stop you from just walking up the
> mound and dropping right into the inner courtyard?
> Seems kind of pointless to build 20ft. walls all
> around the place if they are basically allowing
> you access to the top so easily.
There was sort of a short wall/crest at the top of the entrance that continued the line from the corners that you can see. But that was more of a decorative finish to the structure.
The realistic answer is that it wasn't really intended as a fortress or some high-security facility. You could have scaled or squeezed under/around the main iron gate at the entrance too if you wanted to. The wall is more a feature of and/or constitutes part of the structure itself rather than for security.
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> One thing I don't understand is how the portion
> behind the "91" entrance is constructed. Shouldn't
> there be a wall there? It doesn't look like there
> is one. It just looks like a mound of dirt. And if
> so, what's to stop you from just walking up the
> mound and dropping right into the inner courtyard?
> Seems kind of pointless to build 20ft. walls all
> around the place if they are basically allowing
> you access to the top so easily.
There was sort of a short wall/crest at the top of the entrance that continued the line from the corners that you can see. But that was more of a decorative finish to the structure.
The realistic answer is that it wasn't really intended as a fortress or some high-security facility. You could have scaled or squeezed under/around the main iron gate at the entrance too if you wanted to. The wall is more a feature of and/or constitutes part of the structure itself rather than for security.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Cap'n Chaos
()
Date: April 10, 2015 01:59PM
Ah OK. I got it. Thanks for clearing that up.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Curmudgeon
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Date: April 11, 2015 07:15AM
That guy's been lying to you folks for years. Never had any intention of writing anything other than trolling posts.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Another Visitor
()
Date: April 11, 2015 03:01PM
Curmudgeon Wrote:
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> That guy's been lying to you folks for years.
> Never had any intention of writing anything other
> than trolling posts.
Thanks Brody. Looking forward to more updates. We still believe in Yins!
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> That guy's been lying to you folks for years.
> Never had any intention of writing anything other
> than trolling posts.
Thanks Brody. Looking forward to more updates. We still believe in Yins!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Bill Blackburn
()
Date: April 17, 2015 09:42PM
In fact once Abdu'l-Baha had legally (and of course spiritually) adopted Charles Mason Remey, Shoghi Effendi appointed Charles Mason Remey to the position of President of the First International Baha'i Council which by definition was indeed the Embryonic Universal House of Justice.
Problems arose with the assassination of Shoghi Effendi during his bout with the flu in England by his wife Ruhiyyih Khanum with help from her henchmen who were among the Hands appointed by Shoghi Effendi himself.
She and the Hands murdered Shoghi Effendi in a coup to get him and Charles Mason Remey out of the way so they could as they say in their own words sieze the helm of the faith. This act caused the disbanding of the First International Baha'i Council, hijacking the Baha'i Administration and duping all of the people who identified themselves as Baha'i's yet were too undeepened in the writings to realize what had just happened in this coup. Now they just follow along like blind cultists giving money to the organization masquerading as Baha'i.
Sucks to be them.
Problems arose with the assassination of Shoghi Effendi during his bout with the flu in England by his wife Ruhiyyih Khanum with help from her henchmen who were among the Hands appointed by Shoghi Effendi himself.
She and the Hands murdered Shoghi Effendi in a coup to get him and Charles Mason Remey out of the way so they could as they say in their own words sieze the helm of the faith. This act caused the disbanding of the First International Baha'i Council, hijacking the Baha'i Administration and duping all of the people who identified themselves as Baha'i's yet were too undeepened in the writings to realize what had just happened in this coup. Now they just follow along like blind cultists giving money to the organization masquerading as Baha'i.
Sucks to be them.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Bill Blackburn
()
Date: April 18, 2015 02:20PM
Fortunately Charles Mason Remey adopted a son, Joseph Pepe Remey and passed his inheritance to him. That inheritance included the throne of King David which Abdu'l-Baha' and His Father Baha'u'llah ruled from.
The Baha'i Administration survived the coup of Khanum and the Hands which included their assassination of Shoghi Effendi in 1957.
The Universal House of Justice is now well established in the world with the great great grandson of Baha'u'llah seated in an unbroken lineage of succession on the throne of King David which will never be without a descendant of Baha'u'llah seated upon it.
We met with Brody near D.C. a few years ago and greatly appreciate his research and great effort in bringing a part of the history of Charles Mason Remey the son of Abdu'l-Baha' and first Aghsan Guardian of the Baha'i Faith to light.
The Baha'i Administration survived the coup of Khanum and the Hands which included their assassination of Shoghi Effendi in 1957.
The Universal House of Justice is now well established in the world with the great great grandson of Baha'u'llah seated in an unbroken lineage of succession on the throne of King David which will never be without a descendant of Baha'u'llah seated upon it.
We met with Brody near D.C. a few years ago and greatly appreciate his research and great effort in bringing a part of the history of Charles Mason Remey the son of Abdu'l-Baha' and first Aghsan Guardian of the Baha'i Faith to light.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: May 02, 2015 06:42PM
WASHINGTON
May 2, 2015
Dear Folks,
First of all I am writing this work-in-progress read: book- in between regular work as a political reporter. It's simply going to take time.
The research is pretty much done and I also want to acknowledge all of you who "partied" at the crypts who had met with me or spoke to me via phone & email.
Your collective stories are fantastic.
The search for C.M. Remey and his story has taken me from the National Archives to The Library of Congress and 5 presidential libraries and numerous universities' collections.
Whats is always so amusing to me is that so many of you who were there during the Remeum's heyday were quite literally walking through and in some cases over history.
There are still a couple of questions to answer, I guess most glaring are why Remey selected the Pohick Church for this museum/mausoleum/cenotaph to himself and his family. And then why he then abandoned it after spending so much money on it.
I don't have to tell you folks, especially those of you who followed this thread from the start, it's a hugely interesting story.
So, I ask patience and I have promised and will keep my promise that the excerpts will be posted here. With thanks to Cary of course who owns the site.
Be well folks,
Brody Levesque
PS: As always you folks are free to contact me at my email address:theroadtraveler@gmail.com
May 2, 2015
Dear Folks,
First of all I am writing this work-in-progress read: book- in between regular work as a political reporter. It's simply going to take time.
The research is pretty much done and I also want to acknowledge all of you who "partied" at the crypts who had met with me or spoke to me via phone & email.
Your collective stories are fantastic.
The search for C.M. Remey and his story has taken me from the National Archives to The Library of Congress and 5 presidential libraries and numerous universities' collections.
Whats is always so amusing to me is that so many of you who were there during the Remeum's heyday were quite literally walking through and in some cases over history.
There are still a couple of questions to answer, I guess most glaring are why Remey selected the Pohick Church for this museum/mausoleum/cenotaph to himself and his family. And then why he then abandoned it after spending so much money on it.
I don't have to tell you folks, especially those of you who followed this thread from the start, it's a hugely interesting story.
So, I ask patience and I have promised and will keep my promise that the excerpts will be posted here. With thanks to Cary of course who owns the site.
Be well folks,
Brody Levesque
PS: As always you folks are free to contact me at my email address:theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Peter W.
()
Date: May 06, 2015 07:03PM
It's fascinating the accusations that people will make up when it appears from the history that Remey was attempting to seize the headship of the Bahai community for himself. Remey was a sad individual and the 50 or so people who still follow him stoop quite low to make allegations that reveal baseness and crazy conspiracy theories. Remey's crypt is a fascinating and weird story for people in Fairfax County and a colorful bit of local history. But it is pretty flimsy as a statement on the Bahais.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Bill Blackburn
()
Date: May 07, 2015 03:05AM
AN OPEN EPISTLE FROM K. P. SEELEY Knight of Baha’u’llah
Dear Neisan R. Pehnro,
Thank you for your inquiry.
I’ll get right to the body of your message.
If seen as presented by the organization based in Haifa, Israel the Baha’i Faith could indeed appear to be a “watered-down, customized version of Shiism” as you said.
In fact the actual Baha’i Faith isn’t anything of the sort. What happened was that in 1957 Ruhiyyih Khanum, the wife of Shoghi Effendi, together with the Hands appointed by Shoghi Effendi led a coup that derailed Shoghi Effendi’s long-term plans for the progress of the global teaching effort and the development of the Baha’i Administration, the very role for which he was chosen by Abdu’l-Baha’.
They lied to the entire world of Baha’i believers by telling them to pray for his recovery from the Asian Flu many hours after he had passed on to make time for them to solidify their grip on their assumed positions of authority, positions which they did not actually hold.
The primary goal of their coup was to disband the First International Baha’i Council which had as its President, Abdu’l-Baha’s adopted son, Charles Mason Remey who was to serve as The Aghsan Guardian of the Baha’i Faith upon the passing of Shoghi Effendi, as provided for explicitly in the Will and Testament of Abdu’l-Baha’. That First International Baha’i Council appointed by Shoghi Effendi was, in accordance with the writings of both Baha’u’llah and Abdu’l-Baha’, the first of four stages in the development of the true Universal House of Justice of Baha’u’llah.
Once that council and its President were effectively removed and replaced with/by Ruhiyyih Khanum and the Hands, and the Baha’i’s of the world were sufficiently convinced that turning to Khanum and the Hands was indeed the proper thing to do, they were free to make up whatever they chose to command allegiance and extract money from their followers who never realized they were no longer following Baha’u’llah and had come out from under the provisions of His Covenant. Their false, non-Baha’i administration has continued in this manner to this day.
Part of the false narrative they concocted was that God had mysteriously changed His will with regard to the continuation of the Guardianship (the Davidic Kingship, see Psalm 89, Jeremiah 33 & The Proclamation Of Baha’u’llah pg. 89) without providing any direction as to what the new plan was. They used the term “Bada” to express this. (Baha’u’llah prophesied decades earlier that some within the ranks would attempt to suffocate His Revelation with “the pillow of bada”.)
This was simply a lie but they were told by Khanum and the Hands that turning to the EXPLICIT writings of Baha’u’llah, Abdu’l-Baha’ or Shoghi Effendi would be the wrong thing to do and would lead only to confusion and conflict. They were told that they must stay calm and await the instructions of the Hands. This set up a type of Imamate where the Hands would be the supreme leaders telling all the people what to believe, who to talk to, who to avoid/shun and what subjects were taboo to speak of amongst themselves under threat of the most severe spiritual and temporal sanctions. Uninformed yet religious people being as they were in the Baha’i world at that time and since, this tactic proved very effective and their self-created, self-assumed positions of authority were thus secured in an atmosphere of fear, misplaced reverence and ignorance.
They invented and perpetuated the prohibition of women being elected to the UHJ, as you now understand from your reading of this proclamation – http://www.uhj.net/justice-for-women.html – which clears that matter up. Now you know that no such prohibition has ever been, nor now is, any part of the Aqdas, the Baha’i Laws.
To be clear on the Aqdas, we the Baha’i’s Under the Provisions of the Covenant are not in any way reforming the Aqdas. The Aqdas has never actually been given to the people. What parts were given by Shoghi Effendi were co-opted, rewritten and mis-interpreted by the Hands and fed back to the people following them saying things in diametric opposition to the Revelation of Baha’u’llah and the 12 Basic Baha’i Principles. http://uhj.net/bahaiprinciples/bahai-12-principles.html
Quoting Shoghi Effendi:
“The Persians do not have the complete “Aqdas”, nor even a complete compilation, as it is not yet a “book”. The laws are encountered in many Tablets written by Baha’u’llah. For example, in a Tablet written to a certain person, He would suddenly announce a new Law. Some day, all of these will be compiled into a single book. “The Aqdas” will have to be translated by experts. The present Guardian will not do it. When the Baha’i State is formed, “The Aqdas” will be promulgated. The Laws are few but very strict…. There are twenty-six volumes of the Tablets directed to persons, which contain parts of the “Aqdas”. These will later be included in the “Aqdas”.
“I have indicated some of these laws for present observance. I shall see how the people obey them and give them out gradually. Little by little the Guardian will indicate those Laws which are obligatory, binding, and those which are recommended.” (Shoghi Effendi, To a Believer, Jan. 15 – Feb 11, 1956)
The 26 volumes that will form the Aqdas include the 12 Basic Baha’i Principles – http://uhj.net/bahaiprinciples/bahai-12-principles.html – These form the core principles of the Aqdas, they are upheld by the current Guardian, and they are not to be violated.
With this in mind I will now address the issue of Homosexuality in the light of the true Baha’i Aqdas. You will see as you did in the case with the equality of men and women, the 6th Basic Baha’i Principle – http://uhj.net/bahaiprinciples/equality.html – upheld in the true Baha’i Aqdas, that the Aqdas is not in need of any reformation but more of a restoration from the corruption imposed upon the Baha’i’s and others by Ruhiyyih Khanum and the Hands.
The Aqdas makes no mention whatsoever at all of Homosexuality or anything related to the entire LGBT population within the family of Man.
Ruhiyyih Khanum and the Hands conflated the Aqdas law against Pederasty with Homosexuality for personal reasons and absolutely nothing more.
All laws regarding marriage among Baha’i’s are for the protection of the children who can come from the union of a man and a woman to help assure that they’ll have a stable, loving home to be safely and successfully reared within. There are no laws in the actual, true Baha’i Aqdas regarding Homosexuality.
One’s sexual identification is not a matter of law. It is not an issue for the state and furthermore it is not an issue at all. It is a private, personal matter in which the state, in this case the Baha’i Administration, has absolutely no jurisdiction. Nor is one’s sexual identification a spiritual matter, it is a biological (scientific) matter.
The violators of Baha’u’llah’s Covenant have chosen to use letters, some of which are of suspicious origin, yet attributed to Shoghi Effendi, as justification for their draconian attitudes toward the entire LGBT population. Back when these letters were allegedly written by Shoghi Effendi it was thought that Homosexuality was a mental illness as defined in the DSM, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of mental disorders. This incorrect attribution has at its root a false Christian Theology the psychology of which I will not get into in this letter as it would be tangential and voluminous but it must also be said that this false Christian Theology and that of “original sin” have no place within the Bible as well.
Suffice it to say that none of what is used to permit any discrimination on any level up to the atrocities in such places as Uganda and others against any among the LGBT population has any origin or place within the Revelation of Baha’u’llah or the actual, true Baha’i Aqdas.
Here is what Shoghi Effendi stated about reliance upon him for guidance in matters of science:
“The infallibility of the Guardian [Shoghi Effendi] is confined to matters which are strictly related to the Cause and interpretation of the teachings; he [Shoghi Effendi] is not an infallible authority on other subjects, such as economics, science, etc.” (Shoghi Effendi, 17 Oct. 1944)
As stated earlier;
The 26 volumes that will form the Aqdas include the 12 Basic Baha’i Principles – http://uhj.net/bahaiprinciples/bahai-12-principles.html – These form the CORE PRINCIPLES of the Aqdas, they are upheld by the current Guardian, and they are not to be violated.
In the matter of sexual orientation/identification of the LGBT population within the global family of Man, there can be no prejudicial laws or discriminatory practices within the Baha’i Community worldwide. This is in accordance with the 7th Basic Baha’i Principle – http://uhj.net/bahaiprinciples/remove-prejudice.html – upheld in the true Baha’i Aqdas, which requires the elimination of all forms of prejudice. Any prejudicial or discriminatory laws, acts or practices in this or any other regard are in direct violation of the Baha’i Aqdas.
The Fundamentalist Baha’i’s, Firm in the Covenant, are those who adhere to the 12 Basic (Fundamental) Baha’i Principles which are upheld one and all within the Baha’i Aqdas as found throughout the writings of Baha’u’llah and made increasingly clear and explicit by the explanations and commentaries of Abdu’l-Baha’.
I hope that you will find this a satisfactory explanation in response to your inquiry and it is my hope that you will feel free to share this document with all.
Yours in service to God through service to humanity,
KPS,
Knight Of Baha’u’llah
Dear Neisan R. Pehnro,
Thank you for your inquiry.
I’ll get right to the body of your message.
If seen as presented by the organization based in Haifa, Israel the Baha’i Faith could indeed appear to be a “watered-down, customized version of Shiism” as you said.
In fact the actual Baha’i Faith isn’t anything of the sort. What happened was that in 1957 Ruhiyyih Khanum, the wife of Shoghi Effendi, together with the Hands appointed by Shoghi Effendi led a coup that derailed Shoghi Effendi’s long-term plans for the progress of the global teaching effort and the development of the Baha’i Administration, the very role for which he was chosen by Abdu’l-Baha’.
They lied to the entire world of Baha’i believers by telling them to pray for his recovery from the Asian Flu many hours after he had passed on to make time for them to solidify their grip on their assumed positions of authority, positions which they did not actually hold.
The primary goal of their coup was to disband the First International Baha’i Council which had as its President, Abdu’l-Baha’s adopted son, Charles Mason Remey who was to serve as The Aghsan Guardian of the Baha’i Faith upon the passing of Shoghi Effendi, as provided for explicitly in the Will and Testament of Abdu’l-Baha’. That First International Baha’i Council appointed by Shoghi Effendi was, in accordance with the writings of both Baha’u’llah and Abdu’l-Baha’, the first of four stages in the development of the true Universal House of Justice of Baha’u’llah.
Once that council and its President were effectively removed and replaced with/by Ruhiyyih Khanum and the Hands, and the Baha’i’s of the world were sufficiently convinced that turning to Khanum and the Hands was indeed the proper thing to do, they were free to make up whatever they chose to command allegiance and extract money from their followers who never realized they were no longer following Baha’u’llah and had come out from under the provisions of His Covenant. Their false, non-Baha’i administration has continued in this manner to this day.
Part of the false narrative they concocted was that God had mysteriously changed His will with regard to the continuation of the Guardianship (the Davidic Kingship, see Psalm 89, Jeremiah 33 & The Proclamation Of Baha’u’llah pg. 89) without providing any direction as to what the new plan was. They used the term “Bada” to express this. (Baha’u’llah prophesied decades earlier that some within the ranks would attempt to suffocate His Revelation with “the pillow of bada”.)
This was simply a lie but they were told by Khanum and the Hands that turning to the EXPLICIT writings of Baha’u’llah, Abdu’l-Baha’ or Shoghi Effendi would be the wrong thing to do and would lead only to confusion and conflict. They were told that they must stay calm and await the instructions of the Hands. This set up a type of Imamate where the Hands would be the supreme leaders telling all the people what to believe, who to talk to, who to avoid/shun and what subjects were taboo to speak of amongst themselves under threat of the most severe spiritual and temporal sanctions. Uninformed yet religious people being as they were in the Baha’i world at that time and since, this tactic proved very effective and their self-created, self-assumed positions of authority were thus secured in an atmosphere of fear, misplaced reverence and ignorance.
They invented and perpetuated the prohibition of women being elected to the UHJ, as you now understand from your reading of this proclamation – http://www.uhj.net/justice-for-women.html – which clears that matter up. Now you know that no such prohibition has ever been, nor now is, any part of the Aqdas, the Baha’i Laws.
To be clear on the Aqdas, we the Baha’i’s Under the Provisions of the Covenant are not in any way reforming the Aqdas. The Aqdas has never actually been given to the people. What parts were given by Shoghi Effendi were co-opted, rewritten and mis-interpreted by the Hands and fed back to the people following them saying things in diametric opposition to the Revelation of Baha’u’llah and the 12 Basic Baha’i Principles. http://uhj.net/bahaiprinciples/bahai-12-principles.html
Quoting Shoghi Effendi:
“The Persians do not have the complete “Aqdas”, nor even a complete compilation, as it is not yet a “book”. The laws are encountered in many Tablets written by Baha’u’llah. For example, in a Tablet written to a certain person, He would suddenly announce a new Law. Some day, all of these will be compiled into a single book. “The Aqdas” will have to be translated by experts. The present Guardian will not do it. When the Baha’i State is formed, “The Aqdas” will be promulgated. The Laws are few but very strict…. There are twenty-six volumes of the Tablets directed to persons, which contain parts of the “Aqdas”. These will later be included in the “Aqdas”.
“I have indicated some of these laws for present observance. I shall see how the people obey them and give them out gradually. Little by little the Guardian will indicate those Laws which are obligatory, binding, and those which are recommended.” (Shoghi Effendi, To a Believer, Jan. 15 – Feb 11, 1956)
The 26 volumes that will form the Aqdas include the 12 Basic Baha’i Principles – http://uhj.net/bahaiprinciples/bahai-12-principles.html – These form the core principles of the Aqdas, they are upheld by the current Guardian, and they are not to be violated.
With this in mind I will now address the issue of Homosexuality in the light of the true Baha’i Aqdas. You will see as you did in the case with the equality of men and women, the 6th Basic Baha’i Principle – http://uhj.net/bahaiprinciples/equality.html – upheld in the true Baha’i Aqdas, that the Aqdas is not in need of any reformation but more of a restoration from the corruption imposed upon the Baha’i’s and others by Ruhiyyih Khanum and the Hands.
The Aqdas makes no mention whatsoever at all of Homosexuality or anything related to the entire LGBT population within the family of Man.
Ruhiyyih Khanum and the Hands conflated the Aqdas law against Pederasty with Homosexuality for personal reasons and absolutely nothing more.
All laws regarding marriage among Baha’i’s are for the protection of the children who can come from the union of a man and a woman to help assure that they’ll have a stable, loving home to be safely and successfully reared within. There are no laws in the actual, true Baha’i Aqdas regarding Homosexuality.
One’s sexual identification is not a matter of law. It is not an issue for the state and furthermore it is not an issue at all. It is a private, personal matter in which the state, in this case the Baha’i Administration, has absolutely no jurisdiction. Nor is one’s sexual identification a spiritual matter, it is a biological (scientific) matter.
The violators of Baha’u’llah’s Covenant have chosen to use letters, some of which are of suspicious origin, yet attributed to Shoghi Effendi, as justification for their draconian attitudes toward the entire LGBT population. Back when these letters were allegedly written by Shoghi Effendi it was thought that Homosexuality was a mental illness as defined in the DSM, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of mental disorders. This incorrect attribution has at its root a false Christian Theology the psychology of which I will not get into in this letter as it would be tangential and voluminous but it must also be said that this false Christian Theology and that of “original sin” have no place within the Bible as well.
Suffice it to say that none of what is used to permit any discrimination on any level up to the atrocities in such places as Uganda and others against any among the LGBT population has any origin or place within the Revelation of Baha’u’llah or the actual, true Baha’i Aqdas.
Here is what Shoghi Effendi stated about reliance upon him for guidance in matters of science:
“The infallibility of the Guardian [Shoghi Effendi] is confined to matters which are strictly related to the Cause and interpretation of the teachings; he [Shoghi Effendi] is not an infallible authority on other subjects, such as economics, science, etc.” (Shoghi Effendi, 17 Oct. 1944)
As stated earlier;
The 26 volumes that will form the Aqdas include the 12 Basic Baha’i Principles – http://uhj.net/bahaiprinciples/bahai-12-principles.html – These form the CORE PRINCIPLES of the Aqdas, they are upheld by the current Guardian, and they are not to be violated.
In the matter of sexual orientation/identification of the LGBT population within the global family of Man, there can be no prejudicial laws or discriminatory practices within the Baha’i Community worldwide. This is in accordance with the 7th Basic Baha’i Principle – http://uhj.net/bahaiprinciples/remove-prejudice.html – upheld in the true Baha’i Aqdas, which requires the elimination of all forms of prejudice. Any prejudicial or discriminatory laws, acts or practices in this or any other regard are in direct violation of the Baha’i Aqdas.
The Fundamentalist Baha’i’s, Firm in the Covenant, are those who adhere to the 12 Basic (Fundamental) Baha’i Principles which are upheld one and all within the Baha’i Aqdas as found throughout the writings of Baha’u’llah and made increasingly clear and explicit by the explanations and commentaries of Abdu’l-Baha’.
I hope that you will find this a satisfactory explanation in response to your inquiry and it is my hope that you will feel free to share this document with all.
Yours in service to God through service to humanity,
KPS,
Knight Of Baha’u’llah
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Bill Blackburn
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Date: May 07, 2015 03:19AM
Dear Brody,
Being a close friend of Mr. Remey's grandson I can provide you with some insight as to why he abandoned his Remium project. I'll write more on this after I've had a good night's sleep.
It's good to see you're still at it.
Thank you,
Bill B.
Being a close friend of Mr. Remey's grandson I can provide you with some insight as to why he abandoned his Remium project. I'll write more on this after I've had a good night's sleep.
It's good to see you're still at it.
Thank you,
Bill B.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Bababooey
()
Date: August 23, 2015 09:42PM
BUMP WTF
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Bababooey tooey
()
Date: August 23, 2015 10:32PM
Bump the bump, because it's been an hour. We need this shit figured out NOW.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
fullofit
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Date: August 23, 2015 11:48PM
Bill Blackburn Wrote:
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> Dear Brody,
>
> Being a close friend of Mr. Remey's grandson I can
> provide you with some insight as to why he
> abandoned his Remium project. I'll write more on
> this after I've had a good night's sleep.
>
> It's good to see you're still at it.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bill B.
Unless a PM is involved, that's either laziness or lazy trolling.
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> Dear Brody,
>
> Being a close friend of Mr. Remey's grandson I can
> provide you with some insight as to why he
> abandoned his Remium project. I'll write more on
> this after I've had a good night's sleep.
>
> It's good to see you're still at it.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bill B.
Unless a PM is involved, that's either laziness or lazy trolling.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
vbvlv
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Date: September 06, 2015 06:18PM
crypts are scary
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Walter hill
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Date: October 15, 2015 12:44PM
Wow cool site, wish I'd brought a camera the many times I went there back in the late 70s. I went to Jefferson hs (class of 77) and we used to go there just about every weekend until the "heat" got too hot. I remember one night when there were about 20 to 25 people there and some drunk guy fell off the wall and we had to call an ambulance, the police came and it was heavily paroled after that incident.anyone remember the abandoned gas station across route one? We used to park our cars there.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Bill Blackburn
()
Date: October 24, 2015 01:17AM
Hey sorry it's been so long but life has a way of forcing one to redirect their attention at times.
Anyway, after this passage of time and returning here it occurs to me that folks here wouldn't much like what I have to say about why he gave up on the Remium.
Besides, especially at this time surrounding "all-hallows eve", it's best to let your imaginations run amok for a while ;)
Happy Halloween.
Bill B.
Anyway, after this passage of time and returning here it occurs to me that folks here wouldn't much like what I have to say about why he gave up on the Remium.
Besides, especially at this time surrounding "all-hallows eve", it's best to let your imaginations run amok for a while ;)
Happy Halloween.
Bill B.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Freddd
()
Date: October 24, 2015 01:22AM
Boooo! What a tease.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
hDE49
()
Date: October 24, 2015 07:41PM
Intersting read about some local history that many may not have known much about.
I grew up in Arlington, but have traveled Fairfax for years and have lived here now for quite a while and I had read comments about the Crypts/Tombs etc here on FFX many times, however, did not understand or know what anyone was talking about.
Really a neighborhood/lower regional thing that people were aware of.
Although this facility and the person that built it may have seemed a bit strange, at the end of the day it seemed that Mr. Remey had his reasons and he had good contacts for the sculptures and other craft work for the facility.
Really, really sad at the end of the day all of this was pretty much destroyed by a bunch of kids that did not understand the reason or history behind this facility. It turned out to be some sort of drunken and drug laden amusement part for people to ultimately vandalize and destroy.
This being said, Mr. Remey did not have the forethought to maintain and protect the facility and this is probably what lead to its ultimate demise.
Again, whether or not you agree with Mr. Remey's religious beliefs, affiliations or ideas, this was one mans idea and dream that he ultimately built but ignorance and stupid teenage behavior at the end of the day really ruined it for the family and community.
Seems that if the timing would have been different and someone was a real overseer this facility might even still be standing today and could have been one of very few private burial facilities of its kind in the country.
I grew up in Arlington, but have traveled Fairfax for years and have lived here now for quite a while and I had read comments about the Crypts/Tombs etc here on FFX many times, however, did not understand or know what anyone was talking about.
Really a neighborhood/lower regional thing that people were aware of.
Although this facility and the person that built it may have seemed a bit strange, at the end of the day it seemed that Mr. Remey had his reasons and he had good contacts for the sculptures and other craft work for the facility.
Really, really sad at the end of the day all of this was pretty much destroyed by a bunch of kids that did not understand the reason or history behind this facility. It turned out to be some sort of drunken and drug laden amusement part for people to ultimately vandalize and destroy.
This being said, Mr. Remey did not have the forethought to maintain and protect the facility and this is probably what lead to its ultimate demise.
Again, whether or not you agree with Mr. Remey's religious beliefs, affiliations or ideas, this was one mans idea and dream that he ultimately built but ignorance and stupid teenage behavior at the end of the day really ruined it for the family and community.
Seems that if the timing would have been different and someone was a real overseer this facility might even still be standing today and could have been one of very few private burial facilities of its kind in the country.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
causeican
()
Date: October 24, 2015 08:11PM
I grew up in Arlington and heard of others going to the crypts and went there with them once. I don’t remember too much, just the entrance but don’t remember going in. I probably was too scared and opted out.
Bill, do tell. Let’s hear it. Come on.
Bill, do tell. Let’s hear it. Come on.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
MarkC
()
Date: October 25, 2015 09:58PM
Here are some pictures from several trips we made to the Remey Crypt in the late 70's. Luckily, we brought a 35mm camera with a good flash so the pictures are very clear. This is the entrance to the crypt. You had to climb up and over the door and then drop about 6 feet into the main room. The first thing you saw was the staue with the missing head.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
MarkC
()
Date: October 25, 2015 10:05PM
On this late-night visit, a few guys with gas masks went in about 30 minutes before we brought some girls who had never been there before. The guys hid in the back recesses and gave the girls a scare they will never forget.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
MarkC
()
Date: October 25, 2015 10:12PM
Statue that was in the main room. The elaborate sculptures and artwork were damaged beyond repair. I felt bad at the time that someone's family history was defaced and destroyed. It was clear that a ton of money had been spent on the construction.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
MarkC
()
Date: October 25, 2015 10:16PM
Group of us kids from the 70's. The youngest was probably 10 or so at the time; pretty brave to go into such a scary place.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
MarkC
()
Date: October 25, 2015 10:18PM
Another one of the defaced statues.Sad that all that amazing artwork is buried under tons of dirt.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
MarkC
()
Date: October 25, 2015 10:22PM
The Crypt was one of those places you never forget. Doubt if anything of that scale will ever be around for today's kids to explore and be scared out of their minds.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
MarkC
()
Date: October 25, 2015 10:27PM
You can tell from this picture how large the main room was. The ceilings were probably 20 feet high. The room led back to 2 small adjoining recesses that had elaborate carvings of American historical events that the Remey family had participated in. There was a cinderblock wall that was several years old that had been constructed to block off the end of the hallway. Someone had knocked out one of the blocks and there was dirt behind it so no one tried burrowing deeper. Never saw any evidence of any other levels.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
thanks
()
Date: October 26, 2015 01:22AM
Awesome pictures! Thanks for posting them!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
HY9jt
()
Date: October 26, 2015 06:26AM
Great addition to the story with more pictures.
Seems like at the end of the day the "explorers" of the day will most likely have the best pictorial history of the site.
Keep the pictures coming, I know that many of the locals may have a pictures stashed somewhere in their belongings.
Totally agree that it is very sad what happened the site. Seems that Pohick Church may be to blame if in fact they had been entrusted "assuming paid" to maintain and secure the site. I guess they just assumed that they would not need to do anything for the site.
Seems like at the end of the day the "explorers" of the day will most likely have the best pictorial history of the site.
Keep the pictures coming, I know that many of the locals may have a pictures stashed somewhere in their belongings.
Totally agree that it is very sad what happened the site. Seems that Pohick Church may be to blame if in fact they had been entrusted "assuming paid" to maintain and secure the site. I guess they just assumed that they would not need to do anything for the site.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ironical
()
Date: October 26, 2015 12:31PM
What a shame, destroyed by ignorant kids, then covered up by ignorant god worshipers of the Pohick church.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
otherview
()
Date: October 26, 2015 06:08PM
From the church's point of view, I don't believe that ignorance is the right word. It is more neglect and wanting to get rid of it. They had to pay money and exert effort to secure it against all kinds of persistent human vermin. They had to pay to bury it. The remeum didn't provide any benefit to the church. It was only a drain on resources. It had no value.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
cA CHING
()
Date: October 26, 2015 07:50PM
Dig it up and charge a small fee to tour the ruins. This could be a windfall for that historic church that was defaced by Yankee scumbags, New Yorkers carved their gang signs on the stone doorframe.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
MarkC
()
Date: October 26, 2015 09:49PM
Here's another picture showing how you had to enter through the front gate. I can remember sitting in one of the recesses and being struck by how quiet and almost peaceful it felt in there. Of course your mind played games with you and you were waiting for some eerie presence to make itself known. The most surreal vision was one cold, moonlit night when we snuck through the woods and were in the courtyard outside the entrance. The towering obelisk and surrounding ruins were something out of a post-apocalyptical dream.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Class of 68
()
Date: October 26, 2015 10:13PM
Those are probably the best pictures that exist of the inside of the place. Good job. We were there a lot but never took any pictures. Unlike today, people didn't have cameras with them all the time like they do now. Still doesn't really do justice to the atmosphere of place. One of those things where you really just had to be there to appreciate it.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
ku3LC
()
Date: October 26, 2015 11:11PM
otherview Wrote:
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> From the church's point of view, I don't believe
> that ignorance is the right word. It is more
> neglect and wanting to get rid of it. They had to
> pay money and exert effort to secure it against
> all kinds of persistent human vermin. They had to
> pay to bury it. The remeum didn't provide any
> benefit to the church. It was only a drain on
> resources. It had no value.
So does anyone know if Remey put a trust together to protect and maintain the facility? I cannot believe that someone that would spend the money and build something like this would think no maintenance or security would be required for the site.
I would have at least put 2 layers of fencing with barbed wire around the place, this would have been cheap compared to what was invested in the building of the facility. They could have put dogs in the main portion of the crypt and maybe in the inner fence buffer.
Grass will grow, trees will fall.
I bet that Pohick Church either pocketed the money and/or did not pass along what the agreement was to protect and maintain the facility.
Unfortunately anyone that originally worked on the facility is probably long dead and gone so there is only history from the kids that visited the place.
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> From the church's point of view, I don't believe
> that ignorance is the right word. It is more
> neglect and wanting to get rid of it. They had to
> pay money and exert effort to secure it against
> all kinds of persistent human vermin. They had to
> pay to bury it. The remeum didn't provide any
> benefit to the church. It was only a drain on
> resources. It had no value.
So does anyone know if Remey put a trust together to protect and maintain the facility? I cannot believe that someone that would spend the money and build something like this would think no maintenance or security would be required for the site.
I would have at least put 2 layers of fencing with barbed wire around the place, this would have been cheap compared to what was invested in the building of the facility. They could have put dogs in the main portion of the crypt and maybe in the inner fence buffer.
Grass will grow, trees will fall.
I bet that Pohick Church either pocketed the money and/or did not pass along what the agreement was to protect and maintain the facility.
Unfortunately anyone that originally worked on the facility is probably long dead and gone so there is only history from the kids that visited the place.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
EDDEW
()
Date: October 26, 2015 11:16PM
ku3LC Wrote:
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>
> So does anyone know if Remey put a trust together
> to protect and maintain the facility? I cannot
> believe that someone that would spend the money
> and build something like this would think no
> maintenance or security would be required for the
> site.
>
> I would have at least put 2 layers of fencing with
> barbed wire around the place, this would have been
> cheap compared to what was invested in the
> building of the facility. They could have put dogs
> in the main portion of the crypt and maybe in the
> inner fence buffer.
>
> Grass will grow, trees will fall.
>
> I bet that Pohick Church either pocketed the money
> and/or did not pass along what the agreement was
> to protect and maintain the facility.
>
> Unfortunately anyone that originally worked on the
> facility is probably long dead and gone so there
> is only history from the kids that visited the
> place.
He did but he was near broke by the end and the fund already was running in the red by ~1960. Covered somewhere earlier in the thread.
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>
> So does anyone know if Remey put a trust together
> to protect and maintain the facility? I cannot
> believe that someone that would spend the money
> and build something like this would think no
> maintenance or security would be required for the
> site.
>
> I would have at least put 2 layers of fencing with
> barbed wire around the place, this would have been
> cheap compared to what was invested in the
> building of the facility. They could have put dogs
> in the main portion of the crypt and maybe in the
> inner fence buffer.
>
> Grass will grow, trees will fall.
>
> I bet that Pohick Church either pocketed the money
> and/or did not pass along what the agreement was
> to protect and maintain the facility.
>
> Unfortunately anyone that originally worked on the
> facility is probably long dead and gone so there
> is only history from the kids that visited the
> place.
He did but he was near broke by the end and the fund already was running in the red by ~1960. Covered somewhere earlier in the thread.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: October 27, 2015 01:29AM
WASHINGTON
October 27, 2015
Dear MarkC,
Excellent photographs. those really are unique. I'd like permission to use them if possible, my email is after my signature below.
To 'ku3LC' and 'otherview'. There was no trust sadly. In a deposition he gave in the mid 1960's during the Federal Lawsuit against him by the Pohick Church vestry and administrators, Remey indicated that he had spent upwards of $2M in construction and other costs.
By the time he died in 1974, he was pretty much penniless. In fact he was buried in an unmarked grave in Florence, Italy, until his adopted son was able to raise enough money to have a proper headstone memorial installed.
When Admiral Wadleigh took charge of essentially shutting the Remeum down per his brother-in-law's (Remey) wishes, the money the Admiral spent was his own funds.
As far as the Pohick Church was concerned. It was the millstone around their collective necks and was a huge nuisance. They wanted the permanent lease broken and they wanted to regain the property and be done with. In the end, they were forced into having Shirley Contracting Corporation bury the thing.
The religious aspects are a small part of the larger story in reference to the section above regarding the Baha'i and Remey's role. But, in no small way Remey did intend for the Remeum to become a focal point, but I suspect he never thought that it would end up being the urban legend and public nuisance it did.
Best Regards,
Brody Levesque
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
(202) 556-0877
October 27, 2015
Dear MarkC,
Excellent photographs. those really are unique. I'd like permission to use them if possible, my email is after my signature below.
To 'ku3LC' and 'otherview'. There was no trust sadly. In a deposition he gave in the mid 1960's during the Federal Lawsuit against him by the Pohick Church vestry and administrators, Remey indicated that he had spent upwards of $2M in construction and other costs.
By the time he died in 1974, he was pretty much penniless. In fact he was buried in an unmarked grave in Florence, Italy, until his adopted son was able to raise enough money to have a proper headstone memorial installed.
When Admiral Wadleigh took charge of essentially shutting the Remeum down per his brother-in-law's (Remey) wishes, the money the Admiral spent was his own funds.
As far as the Pohick Church was concerned. It was the millstone around their collective necks and was a huge nuisance. They wanted the permanent lease broken and they wanted to regain the property and be done with. In the end, they were forced into having Shirley Contracting Corporation bury the thing.
The religious aspects are a small part of the larger story in reference to the section above regarding the Baha'i and Remey's role. But, in no small way Remey did intend for the Remeum to become a focal point, but I suspect he never thought that it would end up being the urban legend and public nuisance it did.
Best Regards,
Brody Levesque
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
(202) 556-0877
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
buMeD
()
Date: October 27, 2015 02:14AM
Brody Levesque Wrote:
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>
> To 'ku3LC' and 'otherview'. There was no trust
> sadly. In a deposition he gave in the mid 1960's
> during the Federal Lawsuit against him by the
> Pohick Church vestry and administrators, Remey
> indicated that he had spent upwards of $2M in
> construction and other costs.
>
From your earlier post on page 5:
Through a series of legal maneuvering, the case found its way into Federal Court District Court, culminating in the final agreement nearly 8 years later which led to Remey's vacating the property and receding it back to the Truro Parish/ Pohick.
It should be noted also that the trust fund set aside by Remey to defray security costs, maintenance considerations, and expenses incurred by Truro Parish/Pohick insofar as the Remeum was concerned had dwindled to a negative by 1960 and actually was running a deficit.
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>
> To 'ku3LC' and 'otherview'. There was no trust
> sadly. In a deposition he gave in the mid 1960's
> during the Federal Lawsuit against him by the
> Pohick Church vestry and administrators, Remey
> indicated that he had spent upwards of $2M in
> construction and other costs.
>
From your earlier post on page 5:
Through a series of legal maneuvering, the case found its way into Federal Court District Court, culminating in the final agreement nearly 8 years later which led to Remey's vacating the property and receding it back to the Truro Parish/ Pohick.
It should be noted also that the trust fund set aside by Remey to defray security costs, maintenance considerations, and expenses incurred by Truro Parish/Pohick insofar as the Remeum was concerned had dwindled to a negative by 1960 and actually was running a deficit.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: October 27, 2015 04:13PM
WASHINGTON
October 27, 2015
Dear buMeD,
At the point I was referring to in the 1960's there was no trust as the monies were exhausted so although its I guess a matter of semantics. I should have been more clear. My apologies.
The difficult part has been trying to find any kind of record in terms of capital outlay. The other part of this is I question that if in the 1950's Remey was paying the Pohick Church out of the trust, and since I cannot gain access to those records, (the Church has refused access) I'm wondering how much the monthly outlay was for routine landscaping and grounds keeping.
There are pictures of the courtyard for example that show beautifully landscaped flower beds and neatly trimmed bushes and hedges alongside the brick work and walls.
I have court filings that use the $2M figure, but I'd love to come across the other records, some of which the church may still have.
Best Regards,
Brody Levesque
October 27, 2015
Dear buMeD,
At the point I was referring to in the 1960's there was no trust as the monies were exhausted so although its I guess a matter of semantics. I should have been more clear. My apologies.
The difficult part has been trying to find any kind of record in terms of capital outlay. The other part of this is I question that if in the 1950's Remey was paying the Pohick Church out of the trust, and since I cannot gain access to those records, (the Church has refused access) I'm wondering how much the monthly outlay was for routine landscaping and grounds keeping.
There are pictures of the courtyard for example that show beautifully landscaped flower beds and neatly trimmed bushes and hedges alongside the brick work and walls.
I have court filings that use the $2M figure, but I'd love to come across the other records, some of which the church may still have.
Best Regards,
Brody Levesque
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
UCnjp
()
Date: October 29, 2015 08:41PM
This place must have been like Indiana Jones and the Temple Of Doom or some sort of Indiana Jones type exploration for kids in NOVA. I am sure it was quite the fun, scary and mysterious place to go and trespass in and to make it out without much incident.
Just such a shame so much destruction and damage occurred.
Just such a shame so much destruction and damage occurred.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Goober
()
Date: October 29, 2015 08:51PM
Yankee gangs defaced that church.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
MarkC
()
Date: October 29, 2015 11:02PM
I never saw any destruction of the interior on my adventures to the crypt. It was always kids just exploring and hanging out. I doubt the desecration would have occurred if there was any kind of security.
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Posted by:
mCpTy
()
Date: October 30, 2015 07:23AM
Keep the pictures coming.
These seem to be the best documented history of the site.
These seem to be the best documented history of the site.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hellboundsteel
()
Date: November 05, 2015 09:16PM
Anyone remember the 5 point star that was on the outer wall? i have one I removed in 72 when I was there will get a pic and add it for all to see.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
KryptKeeper
()
Date: November 21, 2015 10:29PM
This must be a later picture as the large statue when you enter is on the ground. We were frequent visitors in 1978-79 and the statue was still intact then.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
mviker
()
Date: November 28, 2015 04:07PM
Walt...
Were you there the Halloween your brother hid in the back with a chainsaw that had no chain? We hid in one of the back chambers and scared anyone that came in. we'd wait until they climbed down inside, then Richard would fire up that chainsaw and scare the crap outta them. The cops eventually came and got a good laugh with the chainsaw prank and told us to get the hell outta there. Not sure if you were in on that one or not, but I know we went there at least once out of a bunch of times that I went back in the day.
Had some damn fine times there. Inside and out. The place was pretty much already torn up by the time we discovered it, but impressive none-the-less. It sure would have been cool to find a way into the rest of the place as that was one of the big draws to go. Everyone wanted to be the one to discover the rest of it's legendary lost chambers, but never did. Looks like we were all very close. Just didn't know it. Ahhhh.... Good times. Glad to see you're still kickin'!
Kevin H.
Were you there the Halloween your brother hid in the back with a chainsaw that had no chain? We hid in one of the back chambers and scared anyone that came in. we'd wait until they climbed down inside, then Richard would fire up that chainsaw and scare the crap outta them. The cops eventually came and got a good laugh with the chainsaw prank and told us to get the hell outta there. Not sure if you were in on that one or not, but I know we went there at least once out of a bunch of times that I went back in the day.
Had some damn fine times there. Inside and out. The place was pretty much already torn up by the time we discovered it, but impressive none-the-less. It sure would have been cool to find a way into the rest of the place as that was one of the big draws to go. Everyone wanted to be the one to discover the rest of it's legendary lost chambers, but never did. Looks like we were all very close. Just didn't know it. Ahhhh.... Good times. Glad to see you're still kickin'!
Kevin H.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Lara Croft
()
Date: January 28, 2016 05:31PM
Are there any updates? This is probably one of the most interesting threads on here...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Erin Spaddle
()
Date: January 29, 2016 09:55PM
Read it all, was wondering if there was any chance an independent film could be shot there, and if there is any chance of entering the tombs
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Shhhhhh
()
Date: January 29, 2016 10:52PM
Troll
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Alexander Smith
()
Date: February 16, 2016 04:17AM
MarkC, those are extremely interesting pictures, thank you. If you have anymore stashed, please do history a favor and upload. Really, they should belong to public domain.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
the more you know
()
Date: February 16, 2016 05:52AM
The Remey Family Mausoleum, called “The Remeum” by its builder, was located on just over five acres of land about one-half mile southwest of Pohick Church (q.v.), and east of Richmond Highway (Route 1). The mausoleum was the dream, and ultimate disappointment, of Charles Mason Remey who contracted with Pohick Church in 1937 for the rights to build a family memorial on the church grounds, perhaps choosing the location because of its connection to his ancestor, George Mason, according to The Death of a Mausoleum, by Shahrzad Shareghi and Annie S. Wang.
Charles Mason Remey was born in Burlington, Iowa on 15 May 1874, the eldest son of Rear Admiral George Collier Remey, U.S. Navy, and Mary Josephine Mason, according to autobiographical information Charles Remey sent to a friend and which is now on file in the Virginia Room, Fairfax City Regional Library. He studied widely in the late nineteenth century and became an instructor of descriptive geometry and an assistant professor of architecture at George Washington University from 1904 to 1908, and then toured the world studying Oriental architecture. While studying in Paris at the turn of the century, Remey became interested in the Baha’i World Faith and was chosen by the Head of the Faith in 1920 to design Baha’i temples in places such as Mount Carmel, Israel, Teheran, Iran, Kampala, Africa and Sydney, Australia.
According to the autobiographical sketch, Charles Remey married Mrs. Gertrude Heim Klemm in Paris on 17 July 1931. (Note that Gertrude Heim Remey’s gravestone gives the date of marriage as the eleventh of July.) Mrs. Remey died in Washington, D.C. on 5 August 1932, according to her husband in his sketch.
Construction of the Remey mausoleum began in 1939, according to an article by Thomas Love about the site in the 9 April 1973 issue of the Washington Evening Star and Daily News. Charles Remey’s memorial to his family and its contributions to the country was planned as a “magnificent complex of walled courtyards, underground chambers with soaring vaulted ceilings, marble reliefs and statues, carved pillars, chapels and burial vaults,” according to the Star. Remey devoted most of his modest fortune and many years of his life to build this grand edifice which was four times the size of Pohick Church when completed, according to The Death of a Mausoleum. The Star article reports that over two million bricks were used to construct the mausoleum.
The Star article describes panels of reliefs by Washington sculptor Felix de Weldon (known for the Iwo Jima Memorial near Arlington National Cemetery) which dramatized historic events in which the Remey family participated, “from the landing of the Mayflower to the sinking of the USS Yorktown.” A pair of “massive sleeping lions” by de Weldon guarded the entrance to the mausoleum. Inside the memorial were life-size statues depicting “Faith,” “Charity,” and a copy of Michaelangelo’s “Bruges Madonna.” Another series of reliefs illustrated the lives of Saint Peter, Saint Paul and Saint Stephen.
Remey commissioned life-size statues of his parents and a reclining figure of his wife. A huge marble sarcophagus carved in Lisbon was brought to the mausoleum for Charles Remey’s final resting place. The sarcophagus had an inner oak coffin with beautiful wooden carvings from Oberammergau, Germany. His wife’s body lay in a simple white marble sarcophagus next to his. Remey transported the bodies of fifteen other relatives, most from Iowa, according to the Star, and enshrined them in The Remeum.
Remey landscaped the grounds around the memorial, the Star reported, and provided water for the plantings and electricity to light the underground areas of the memorial. The Death of a Mausoleum says that he established a trust account with Pohick Church for the maintenance and security of the memorial.
Problems with the property began in the 1950s. The 27 March 1956 issue of the Evening Star describes the vandalism of the “unfinished Remey family memorial” by eleven Mount Vernon High School boys who used a steel bar, four axes and a pick to hack their way into The Remeum. Vandalism continued unabated over the next several years. The 9 April 1973 Star article described the desecration by “hundreds of vandals who have stolen, broken, defaced and burned their way through the complex over the years.”
The article describes the destruction in detail:
Rather than being the thing of beauty as it was designed, the mausoleum now resembles a dump. Fragments of smashed marble reliefs and statues litter the floors, along with beer cans, whiskey bottles and old candles. Wooden coffins and chests have been broken to bits and their charred remnants scattered....
Thousands of tiny glass fragments designed to form mosaics have been poured into the ground. Statues too large to steal or smash have been chipped and painted or blackened with soot from candles and torches.
Attempts to stop vandals from entering the mausoleum have been unsuccessful. Massive iron gates and heavy wooden doors have been cut, bent, ripped off their hinges and torn down. The entrance to the interior was blocked with a wall three-bricks thick in which a hole large enough for entry has been opened.
What was planned to serve as a place of worship and remembrance is now the scene of nocturnal beer busts, drug parties, high school initiations and exploring expeditions....
An unknown number of urns containing the ashes of cremated bodies still lie amidst the trash in the mausoleum. One near the door has a plate which simply says “ashes of K. D. K.” Relatives believe that this may be Mrs. Remey’s first husband. An urn bearing the name of “Charles Estherbrook” lies open and empty.
By 1958, Pohick Vestry expressed concern about the vandalism and desecration taking place so near their historic site. The Remeum was large and imposing, but in an area remote enough that the church and local authorities were unable to provide security. In 1962, the Vestry refused to grant permission for further expansion, according to the 1973 Star article. Negotiations were soon underway to break the 1937 contract. An agreement was reached in 1968 in which the property reverted to Pohick Church. Remey was given five years to remove anything of value from the mausoleum. Admiral Watley, Remey’s brother-in-law, transferred the remains of fifteen family members to Pompey, New York. At the time of the 1973 article, plans were underway to reinter Gertrude Remey in Pohick Cemetery. The grave marker over her grave there appears to be a marble plaque from the Remeum. After her removal, the Remeum was demolished.
Charles Mason Remey was living in Florence, Italy by 1966. He died there on 4 February 1974, aged 99 years. In a final insult, his obituary in the 24 February 1974 issue of the Washington Star gives his name as George Mason Remey. The obituary does not reveal where Charles Mason Remey was buried.
Charles Mason Remey was born in Burlington, Iowa on 15 May 1874, the eldest son of Rear Admiral George Collier Remey, U.S. Navy, and Mary Josephine Mason, according to autobiographical information Charles Remey sent to a friend and which is now on file in the Virginia Room, Fairfax City Regional Library. He studied widely in the late nineteenth century and became an instructor of descriptive geometry and an assistant professor of architecture at George Washington University from 1904 to 1908, and then toured the world studying Oriental architecture. While studying in Paris at the turn of the century, Remey became interested in the Baha’i World Faith and was chosen by the Head of the Faith in 1920 to design Baha’i temples in places such as Mount Carmel, Israel, Teheran, Iran, Kampala, Africa and Sydney, Australia.
According to the autobiographical sketch, Charles Remey married Mrs. Gertrude Heim Klemm in Paris on 17 July 1931. (Note that Gertrude Heim Remey’s gravestone gives the date of marriage as the eleventh of July.) Mrs. Remey died in Washington, D.C. on 5 August 1932, according to her husband in his sketch.
Construction of the Remey mausoleum began in 1939, according to an article by Thomas Love about the site in the 9 April 1973 issue of the Washington Evening Star and Daily News. Charles Remey’s memorial to his family and its contributions to the country was planned as a “magnificent complex of walled courtyards, underground chambers with soaring vaulted ceilings, marble reliefs and statues, carved pillars, chapels and burial vaults,” according to the Star. Remey devoted most of his modest fortune and many years of his life to build this grand edifice which was four times the size of Pohick Church when completed, according to The Death of a Mausoleum. The Star article reports that over two million bricks were used to construct the mausoleum.
The Star article describes panels of reliefs by Washington sculptor Felix de Weldon (known for the Iwo Jima Memorial near Arlington National Cemetery) which dramatized historic events in which the Remey family participated, “from the landing of the Mayflower to the sinking of the USS Yorktown.” A pair of “massive sleeping lions” by de Weldon guarded the entrance to the mausoleum. Inside the memorial were life-size statues depicting “Faith,” “Charity,” and a copy of Michaelangelo’s “Bruges Madonna.” Another series of reliefs illustrated the lives of Saint Peter, Saint Paul and Saint Stephen.
Remey commissioned life-size statues of his parents and a reclining figure of his wife. A huge marble sarcophagus carved in Lisbon was brought to the mausoleum for Charles Remey’s final resting place. The sarcophagus had an inner oak coffin with beautiful wooden carvings from Oberammergau, Germany. His wife’s body lay in a simple white marble sarcophagus next to his. Remey transported the bodies of fifteen other relatives, most from Iowa, according to the Star, and enshrined them in The Remeum.
Remey landscaped the grounds around the memorial, the Star reported, and provided water for the plantings and electricity to light the underground areas of the memorial. The Death of a Mausoleum says that he established a trust account with Pohick Church for the maintenance and security of the memorial.
Problems with the property began in the 1950s. The 27 March 1956 issue of the Evening Star describes the vandalism of the “unfinished Remey family memorial” by eleven Mount Vernon High School boys who used a steel bar, four axes and a pick to hack their way into The Remeum. Vandalism continued unabated over the next several years. The 9 April 1973 Star article described the desecration by “hundreds of vandals who have stolen, broken, defaced and burned their way through the complex over the years.”
The article describes the destruction in detail:
Rather than being the thing of beauty as it was designed, the mausoleum now resembles a dump. Fragments of smashed marble reliefs and statues litter the floors, along with beer cans, whiskey bottles and old candles. Wooden coffins and chests have been broken to bits and their charred remnants scattered....
Thousands of tiny glass fragments designed to form mosaics have been poured into the ground. Statues too large to steal or smash have been chipped and painted or blackened with soot from candles and torches.
Attempts to stop vandals from entering the mausoleum have been unsuccessful. Massive iron gates and heavy wooden doors have been cut, bent, ripped off their hinges and torn down. The entrance to the interior was blocked with a wall three-bricks thick in which a hole large enough for entry has been opened.
What was planned to serve as a place of worship and remembrance is now the scene of nocturnal beer busts, drug parties, high school initiations and exploring expeditions....
An unknown number of urns containing the ashes of cremated bodies still lie amidst the trash in the mausoleum. One near the door has a plate which simply says “ashes of K. D. K.” Relatives believe that this may be Mrs. Remey’s first husband. An urn bearing the name of “Charles Estherbrook” lies open and empty.
By 1958, Pohick Vestry expressed concern about the vandalism and desecration taking place so near their historic site. The Remeum was large and imposing, but in an area remote enough that the church and local authorities were unable to provide security. In 1962, the Vestry refused to grant permission for further expansion, according to the 1973 Star article. Negotiations were soon underway to break the 1937 contract. An agreement was reached in 1968 in which the property reverted to Pohick Church. Remey was given five years to remove anything of value from the mausoleum. Admiral Watley, Remey’s brother-in-law, transferred the remains of fifteen family members to Pompey, New York. At the time of the 1973 article, plans were underway to reinter Gertrude Remey in Pohick Cemetery. The grave marker over her grave there appears to be a marble plaque from the Remeum. After her removal, the Remeum was demolished.
Charles Mason Remey was living in Florence, Italy by 1966. He died there on 4 February 1974, aged 99 years. In a final insult, his obituary in the 24 February 1974 issue of the Washington Star gives his name as George Mason Remey. The obituary does not reveal where Charles Mason Remey was buried.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Tricia Talbert
()
Date: February 23, 2016 11:12PM
I loved going there in the late 70's to early 80's. I'm so excited to see these great pictures… I never thought about taking a camera so I love that they are posted here.
I'd love to go back and see if we could get in. I remember that directly back was a cinderblock wall that led to another portion but I have no idea what is back there.
I'd love to go back and see if we could get in. I remember that directly back was a cinderblock wall that led to another portion but I have no idea what is back there.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Tricia Talbert
()
Date: February 24, 2016 12:12AM
Where was this picture taken?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: March 03, 2016 11:06PM
WASHINGTON
March 3rd, 2016
Dear Folks,
I have finished & published my first book, which I have provided a link [below] to download the pdf if any of you would care to read it.
I am now working on the book that was inspired by this thread. The outline is 425 pages give or take plus another 15 in exhibits and photographs.
I'd like to thank all of you who contributed your time in interviews and e-mails and provided data or information that added to the knowledge base for this unique story.
I am hoping to have this book finished and edited by mid 2017 and as I have promised, I'll release excerpts here in this thread on the FFX Underground.
Without a doubt, this has got to be one of the more interesting stories that I have ever run across in the 35 + years that I have been a journalist.
It has been quite an experience and I look forward to finally being able to tell this story.
Warmest Regards,
Brody Levesque
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Book Link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dlcmo1991qqabjy/Public%20Downloadable%20Version%20-%20The%20Sunshine%20Special%2C%20FDR%27s%201939%20Lincoln%20K-Series%20Presidential%20Limousine%2C%20By%20Brody%20Levesque.pdf?dl=0
March 3rd, 2016
Dear Folks,
I have finished & published my first book, which I have provided a link [below] to download the pdf if any of you would care to read it.
I am now working on the book that was inspired by this thread. The outline is 425 pages give or take plus another 15 in exhibits and photographs.
I'd like to thank all of you who contributed your time in interviews and e-mails and provided data or information that added to the knowledge base for this unique story.
I am hoping to have this book finished and edited by mid 2017 and as I have promised, I'll release excerpts here in this thread on the FFX Underground.
Without a doubt, this has got to be one of the more interesting stories that I have ever run across in the 35 + years that I have been a journalist.
It has been quite an experience and I look forward to finally being able to tell this story.
Warmest Regards,
Brody Levesque
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Book Link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dlcmo1991qqabjy/Public%20Downloadable%20Version%20-%20The%20Sunshine%20Special%2C%20FDR%27s%201939%20Lincoln%20K-Series%20Presidential%20Limousine%2C%20By%20Brody%20Levesque.pdf?dl=0
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Daffy DUCK
()
Date: March 04, 2016 12:08PM
Tricia Talbert Wrote:
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> I'd love to go back and see if we could get in.
You'll need a backhoe to get in. You would be prosecuted for doing this on private property. You would end up disappointed, covered in ticks and in jail and wouldn't get in.
God knows what lives in the empty crypts now. It is probably like the Indiana jones thing where snakes are everywhere.
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> I'd love to go back and see if we could get in.
You'll need a backhoe to get in. You would be prosecuted for doing this on private property. You would end up disappointed, covered in ticks and in jail and wouldn't get in.
God knows what lives in the empty crypts now. It is probably like the Indiana jones thing where snakes are everywhere.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
graymoose1
()
Date: March 04, 2016 02:13PM
Best thread ever
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W.W.S.D. what would Scooby Doo
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W.W.S.D. what would Scooby Doo
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Lara Croft
()
Date: March 04, 2016 04:49PM
Brody Levesque Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> WASHINGTON
>
> March 3rd, 2016
>
> Dear Folks,
>
> I have finished & published my first book, which I
> have provided a link [below] to download the pdf
> if any of you would care to read it.
>
> I am now working on the book that was inspired by
> this thread. The outline is 425 pages give or take
> plus another 15 in exhibits and photographs.
>
> I'd like to thank all of you who contributed your
> time in interviews and e-mails and provided data
> or information that added to the knowledge base
> for this unique story.
>
> I am hoping to have this book finished and edited
> by mid 2017 and as I have promised, I'll release
> excerpts here in this thread on the FFX
> Underground.
>
> Without a doubt, this has got to be one of the
> more interesting stories that I have ever run
> across in the 35 + years that I have been a
> journalist.
>
> It has been quite an experience and I look forward
> to finally being able to tell this story.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
>
> Brody Levesque
> theroadtraveler@gmail.com
>
> Book Link:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dlcmo1991qqabjy/Public%2
> 0Downloadable%20Version%20-%20The%20Sunshine%20Spe
> cial%2C%20FDR%27s%201939%20Lincoln%20K-Series%20Pr
> esidential%20Limousine%2C%20By%20Brody%20Levesque.
> pdf?dl=0
It is great to hear that the book is coming together! I spent an entire day reading through this thread back in October and have since wondered what happened to it.
Looking forward to reading the book!
-------------------------------------------------------
> WASHINGTON
>
> March 3rd, 2016
>
> Dear Folks,
>
> I have finished & published my first book, which I
> have provided a link [below] to download the pdf
> if any of you would care to read it.
>
> I am now working on the book that was inspired by
> this thread. The outline is 425 pages give or take
> plus another 15 in exhibits and photographs.
>
> I'd like to thank all of you who contributed your
> time in interviews and e-mails and provided data
> or information that added to the knowledge base
> for this unique story.
>
> I am hoping to have this book finished and edited
> by mid 2017 and as I have promised, I'll release
> excerpts here in this thread on the FFX
> Underground.
>
> Without a doubt, this has got to be one of the
> more interesting stories that I have ever run
> across in the 35 + years that I have been a
> journalist.
>
> It has been quite an experience and I look forward
> to finally being able to tell this story.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
>
> Brody Levesque
> theroadtraveler@gmail.com
>
> Book Link:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dlcmo1991qqabjy/Public%2
> 0Downloadable%20Version%20-%20The%20Sunshine%20Spe
> cial%2C%20FDR%27s%201939%20Lincoln%20K-Series%20Pr
> esidential%20Limousine%2C%20By%20Brody%20Levesque.
> pdf?dl=0
It is great to hear that the book is coming together! I spent an entire day reading through this thread back in October and have since wondered what happened to it.
Looking forward to reading the book!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Huntington
()
Date: March 04, 2016 04:53PM
Congratulations on your new book! I can't tell you how much I am looking forward to the one you write about the Remey Tomb/ Crypts. The only reason I ever come back to this troll infested website is for updates and more info on this!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Bump It Up!
()
Date: March 20, 2016 10:52AM
BUMP IT UP!!!!!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The media
()
Date: April 29, 2016 08:05PM
Theres been a lot of media attention on Fairfax Underground today so Im just bumping this excellent thread so some new eyes can see it. Sorry if this isn't allowed.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Mohammed Ali DED
()
Date: June 04, 2016 10:24AM
Bump bump bump bump bump
Something something racist
Something something troll
Something something Pagans
Something something eesh
Something something racist
Something something troll
Something something Pagans
Something something eesh
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Wendy Dalberto
()
Date: June 05, 2016 12:34AM
Around that same timeframe (early 80's), I remember climbing across a flat and very narrow slab of rock to jump down into a crypt at the church. There was either one or two stone burieal container. The opening to crawl over the Rock and drop down into the inside of the crypt was super narrow. You had to slither across the rock to get in between. Is this the Remey crypt that you're talking about? I've always wondered who was in the stone caskets and now I'm looking at it online and found your post. I went to Hayfield and graduated in '83.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Christopher Harmon
()
Date: June 23, 2016 03:02PM
I went to Jefferson High School graduated 1975 we use to go the crypt on Friday and Saturdays then to the power lines for a bond fire. One time I took 13 girls in my pick up, we were all drinking Bones Farm Strawberry wine. We used to get up on the wall and lower everyone off this huge lions head sculpture. We would sneak past the caretakers house and dogs would start barking what a rush. Inside there where old rooms, old stone like caskets with broken lids, it was the rush of a lifetime went there from 73 to 78 probable. We never destroyed anything just partied. The whole place was a wreck by then-but dam was it fun as hell and scary. I remember Patty Teegarden was so drunk that night with all the girls I had all she could say is no more dogs. :) Great times kids now a days will never know.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
UHw3k
()
Date: June 24, 2016 07:39AM
Christopher Harmon Wrote:
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> I went to Jefferson High School graduated 1975 we
> use to go the crypt on Friday and Saturdays then
> to the power lines for a bond fire. One time I
> took 13 girls in my pick up, we were all drinking
> Bones Farm Strawberry wine. We used to get up on
> the wall and lower everyone off this huge lions
> head sculpture. We would sneak past the caretakers
> house and dogs would start barking what a rush.
> Inside there where old rooms, old stone like
> caskets with broken lids, it was the rush of a
> lifetime went there from 73 to 78 probable. We
> never destroyed anything just partied. The whole
> place was a wreck by then-but dam was it fun as
> hell and scary. I remember Patty Teegarden was so
> drunk that night with all the girls I had all she
> could say is no more dogs. :) Great times kids now
> a days will never know.
Your grasp of the English language is atrocious. You must have been an exchange student.
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> I went to Jefferson High School graduated 1975 we
> use to go the crypt on Friday and Saturdays then
> to the power lines for a bond fire. One time I
> took 13 girls in my pick up, we were all drinking
> Bones Farm Strawberry wine. We used to get up on
> the wall and lower everyone off this huge lions
> head sculpture. We would sneak past the caretakers
> house and dogs would start barking what a rush.
> Inside there where old rooms, old stone like
> caskets with broken lids, it was the rush of a
> lifetime went there from 73 to 78 probable. We
> never destroyed anything just partied. The whole
> place was a wreck by then-but dam was it fun as
> hell and scary. I remember Patty Teegarden was so
> drunk that night with all the girls I had all she
> could say is no more dogs. :) Great times kids now
> a days will never know.
Your grasp of the English language is atrocious. You must have been an exchange student.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
stephen
()
Date: September 08, 2016 08:59PM
1975, Boone's farm, power lines and hard partying. I grew up in another state and it brings a tear to my eye to hear you mention the good life. Did you also climb fences at night to swim ?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jefferstonian
()
Date: September 08, 2016 09:18PM
Jumped a couple fences, mostly swam in local lakes. My parents owned a boat at a marina. I didn't need a key to start that boat, or my friends parent's boats. The Potomac Was big fun, couple of waterski jumps back in the Fun days.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Google is our friend
()
Date: September 21, 2016 10:40AM
It seems Mr. Remey and his wife are buried at Arlington National Cemetery.
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/gcremey.htm
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/gcremey.htm
Posted by:
chuckhoffmann
()
Date: September 21, 2016 06:17PM
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/22/2016 09:46AM by chuckhoffmann.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/22/2016 09:46AM by chuckhoffmann.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve Seman
()
Date: October 03, 2016 11:24AM
chuckhoffmann- Actually, Charles is buried here...
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=112797922
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=112797922
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Orb Hunter
()
Date: February 04, 2017 07:30PM
Munkey_D Wrote:
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> If you find the entrance, I have NVG I would like
> to to try out =]
The amount of Sprit Orbs in the pic is incredible - Paranormal Activity for sure.
-------------------------------------------------------
> If you find the entrance, I have NVG I would like
> to to try out =]
The amount of Sprit Orbs in the pic is incredible - Paranormal Activity for sure.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
9t6ym
()
Date: February 09, 2017 03:42PM
nvg / night vision?? if a nother entrance is found you don't want nvg. you want powerfull led light. maybe play w/ thermal. orbs could be just old pics? dust. Paranormal maybe? its been a long time.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Kibbles
()
Date: February 10, 2017 11:13AM
I say to HELL with these pohick church PUNKS! I say RETURN THE GROUNDS TO THE PEOPLE and give us access. I'm tired of these ivory tower theocrats telling us we cant dig up history. Lets mobilize some tractors and dozers and get to work! Yeeeeeaaaaaah!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Mike Spurlock
()
Date: March 01, 2017 04:31PM
No need to bother talking to the government types.
The county gave a developer permission to build there, and it's all gone.
Check the satellite maps.
The county gave a developer permission to build there, and it's all gone.
Check the satellite maps.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
wmGKD
()
Date: March 04, 2017 11:42AM
Mike Spurlock Wrote:
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> No need to bother talking to the government
> types.
> The county gave a developer permission to build
> there, and it's all gone.
> Check the satellite maps.
Wrong. The crypts are in the woods behind the development.
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> No need to bother talking to the government
> types.
> The county gave a developer permission to build
> there, and it's all gone.
> Check the satellite maps.
Wrong. The crypts are in the woods behind the development.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Remey Family
()
Date: March 04, 2017 12:25PM
Weren't they one of the owners of the Arthur Treacher's over in Fairfax Circle? Right up from Kamp Washington?
I think they had a stake in the 3 Chef's over in Annandale, too.
I think they had a stake in the 3 Chef's over in Annandale, too.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
confused
()
Date: March 04, 2017 01:38PM
what the f are you talking about
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Remey Family
()
Date: March 04, 2017 02:55PM
confused Wrote:
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> what the f are you talking about
The fact that they were co-owners of two great restaurants - Arthur Treacher's and 3 Chefs (in Fairfax Circle and Annandale, respectively).
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> what the f are you talking about
The fact that they were co-owners of two great restaurants - Arthur Treacher's and 3 Chefs (in Fairfax Circle and Annandale, respectively).
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
TtGje
()
Date: March 04, 2017 03:35PM
Hmmmmm Troll Or crack head on the site.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
True Facts
()
Date: March 04, 2017 03:38PM
It's true. They were great patrons of local eateries. There are inscriptions related to Arthur Treacher's in the tomb itself. Also they had a minority stake in Timeout and Timeout II over at springfield mall.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
vdeym
()
Date: March 06, 2017 03:59PM
What a crock of shit.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
His story
()
Date: August 22, 2017 04:44PM
Bump
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Pudding Tame
()
Date: August 22, 2017 05:28PM
Kiss me Brody!
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
H. H. Holmes
()
Date: September 07, 2017 11:19AM
When shall we expect the release of the book?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BUMPITY BUMP BUMP
()
Date: September 20, 2017 02:19PM
Take me to the top bam boomie oh
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Preston
()
Date: September 22, 2017 07:13PM
I used to visit the Remey Tomb in 1972-73 with my sister and a friend of hers. We were fascinated, and terrified at the same time, by the place. But mainly we were heartbroken at its ruin. We love old cemeteries and were saddened by the lack of respect it was given over the years. I am attaching the photos we took in those days. I apologize for their poor quality.
A story we'd heard was that the obelisk was the most haunted part of the mausoleum, and true to local lore, none of the photos I ever took of it ever came out.
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A story we'd heard was that the obelisk was the most haunted part of the mausoleum, and true to local lore, none of the photos I ever took of it ever came out.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Thanks
()
Date: September 22, 2017 07:23PM
Wow.Some new pictures .I started going there in 72-73 sophomore year in high school.
I've researched the place on and off but haven't seen these.I felt the vibe of obelisk as well.My most enduring memory of this place was sitting on the bench in the courtyard on a night of a big moon with the obelisk in the moonlight.
I've researched the place on and off but haven't seen these.I felt the vibe of obelisk as well.My most enduring memory of this place was sitting on the bench in the courtyard on a night of a big moon with the obelisk in the moonlight.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Preston
()
Date: September 22, 2017 07:50PM
I just had a thought about the place and googled, finding this site. The photos have never been posted anywhere. Interesting you felt that about the obelisk. It was really the most disturbing part of the entire place for me. Perhaps it is also the desolation, and the vandalism, that does it. I went by some years ago and was very sad to find it had all been demolished.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Obelisk?
()
Date: September 22, 2017 07:57PM
Last time I was there, almost everything was gone but the obelisk remained although it was in the middle of fairly dense woods.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
HoDu
()
Date: September 23, 2017 05:24PM
Actually. it's all still there. It's just buried. Not very well.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve B
()
Date: October 24, 2017 06:58PM
I have come into possession of what may be the last remaining art piece destined for the Remeum. A sarcophagus of Elisa Remey, carved in Italy, commissioned by Charles Remey. Anyone interested - contact me at Hangingtenranch@yahoo.com
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jim Speckbrock
()
Date: November 02, 2017 11:27PM
I served aboard the USS Remey DD688 in 1956-58. The ship was built in Bath, Maine in 1944 and decommissioned in 1963. I believe it was named after George Remey, an admiral in the US Navy. A sister ship, the USS Wadleigh DD689 was named after an in-law of the Remey family. I wonder of any connection of this crypt and the namesake of the USS Remey?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Olde guy
()
Date: November 03, 2017 10:12AM
When we were kids visiting the Remeum I remember a stone carved panel depicting a naval ship cutting through the waves.
It's the same family as the admiral.
It's the same family as the admiral.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steve B
()
Date: November 08, 2017 01:12PM
The admiral was the son of Eliza Howland Remey - sarcophagus of her above.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
HoDu
()
Date: November 08, 2017 02:15PM
Rear Admiral George Collier Remey was born in Iowa in 1841, and served in the Civil War and the Spanish-American War. After action in the Boxer Rebellion in China, by 1910 he lived in Washington, D.C. in Dupont Circle.
He was the father of Charles Mason Remey, the Hand of the Cause who built the Remeum between 1937-1958, who was born in 1874 and died in 1974.
The admiral died in D.C. in 1928. His house is at 1527 New Hampshire Avenue and has an interesting history:
http://www.ipsonet.org/about-us/offices-tour
.
He was the father of Charles Mason Remey, the Hand of the Cause who built the Remeum between 1937-1958, who was born in 1874 and died in 1974.
The admiral died in D.C. in 1928. His house is at 1527 New Hampshire Avenue and has an interesting history:
http://www.ipsonet.org/about-us/offices-tour
.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jeffrey Johnson
()
Date: November 09, 2017 01:59PM
And now a bit of shameless self-promotion: I'm a fiction writer and I wrote a short story based on Mason Remey and the Remium. I explored the place in either the Fall of 1979 or 1980, and I was never able to get it out of my mind. I finally wrote a fictionalized account a few years ago and it's in my recent story collection, OTHER FINE GIFTS. The story is called "A Story of Hope, Profanity and Illusion." Most of the other stories in the book take place in the Northern Virginia/DC area.
Link: https://www.amazon.com/Other-Fine-Gifts-Jeffrey-Johnson/dp/0692947833/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8
Link: https://www.amazon.com/Other-Fine-Gifts-Jeffrey-Johnson/dp/0692947833/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt - Iwo Jima Statue on site?
Posted by:
Rodney Hilton Brownn
()
Date: February 01, 2018 05:38PM
Apparently, Remey commissioned Iwo Jima sculptor, Felix de Weldon to do sculptures for the Remereum. The bas-relief plaques of American history scenes that are often sshown in the Remereum rubble are by De Weldon. I also have a photo from De Weldon's archives that shows a white marble Iwo Jima statue on what looks like the site. Has anyone else heard of this! Thanks in advance for your replies! rodney@usselect.com
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt - Iwo Jima Statue on site?
Posted by:
Olde Cryptanalysist
()
Date: February 01, 2018 10:12PM
I saw the bas- relief panels,one of which depicted a warship cutting through the waves.
Never knew such a renowned sculptor was at work.
Never knew such a renowned sculptor was at work.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt - Iwo Jima Statue on site?
Posted by:
Cryptophile
()
Date: February 11, 2018 01:29PM
Are all the crypt visitors gone?
What happened to the book by Brody?
Are all of the above in crypts of their own?
What happened to the book by Brody?
Are all of the above in crypts of their own?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Sam Owen
()
Date: February 11, 2018 10:06PM
There's no book.
There ain't no good reason.
There ain't no bad reason.
There's only Brody and me, and we just disagree.
There ain't no good reason.
There ain't no bad reason.
There's only Brody and me, and we just disagree.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
2x4
()
Date: February 19, 2018 12:13PM
The book was just a ruse created by Brody to get people to send him information and pictures so he could satisfy his curiosity. There will be no book. Sorry folks :(
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
GotCha
()
Date: February 19, 2018 01:39PM
One of the longest-running hilarious jokes on FFXU is the "crypts". A few distributed faked photos distributed to a few places on the Internet, and a couple of seed stories planted to go with them. It goes viral, with a bunch of people making up childhood memories, contributing more faked photos, all of which gets recirulated and piled on and on ...and pretty soon there are SO MANY people believing in the existence of the crypts!
It's astounding that it took this long for people to realize the whole thing was a hoax. Probably an Internet record!
I wonder though, if the "I'm writing a book" gambit is what ultimately killed it. Perhaps it could have gone on for several more decades...
People on the Internet will believe ANYTHING if you repeat it enough.
Okay, even without the Internet, they will believe it!
It's astounding that it took this long for people to realize the whole thing was a hoax. Probably an Internet record!
I wonder though, if the "I'm writing a book" gambit is what ultimately killed it. Perhaps it could have gone on for several more decades...
People on the Internet will believe ANYTHING if you repeat it enough.
Okay, even without the Internet, they will believe it!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
GotCha
()
Date: February 19, 2018 01:41PM
Too bad we never got as far as connecting the "crypts" to the "secret tunnels" that run from D.C. to various places (in this case, the branch that goes via Fort Belvoir to Mount Pony).
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
U R stupid
()
Date: February 19, 2018 01:52PM
The people who supposedly faked the "crypts" were very thorough.
They even went back in time and falsified the Washington Post articles about it. Also faked the records of the Pohick Church.
They even built a life-sized "hoax crypt" to support their fraud.
Thanks for clearing up this extremely well executed hoax for us.
They even went back in time and falsified the Washington Post articles about it. Also faked the records of the Pohick Church.
They even built a life-sized "hoax crypt" to support their fraud.
Thanks for clearing up this extremely well executed hoax for us.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
P7MXM
()
Date: February 20, 2018 02:00AM
Supposed photographs are faked. Fake WaPo article.
Fake fake fake.
Fake fake fake.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Very Very Very stooopit
()
Date: February 20, 2018 06:50AM
Is it drugs, mental retardation,or genetic factors which afflict you? Too much Infowars conspiracy theories?
I've always wondered how nutcases like yourself develop.
I've always wondered how nutcases like yourself develop.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
MPVK3
()
Date: February 20, 2018 09:55PM
Very Very Very stooopit Wrote:
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> Is it drugs, mental retardation,or genetic factors
> which afflict you? Too much Infowars conspiracy theories?
> I've always wondered how nutcases like yourself develop.
Funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing about you, on the same topic!
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> Is it drugs, mental retardation,or genetic factors
> which afflict you? Too much Infowars conspiracy theories?
> I've always wondered how nutcases like yourself develop.
Funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing about you, on the same topic!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Wise words
()
Date: February 21, 2018 06:17AM
Favorite saying:
"If one argues with an idiot,no one will know who the idiot is."
"If one argues with an idiot,no one will know who the idiot is."
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Desecration
()
Date: February 21, 2018 10:12AM
The extent of the vandalism over the years is described here
https://fxgs.org/cemeteryRecords.php?cid=214
https://fxgs.org/cemeteryRecords.php?cid=214
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Tunnel Rat
()
Date: February 21, 2018 02:58PM
I am gonna dig my way into this sum ov a bitch if it kills me. I want to see the inside. Perhaps there are still some living things in there. Or it will be like the pit of snakes from raiders of the lost ark.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Tony Soprano
()
Date: February 21, 2018 03:01PM
Mr. Remeum seems like a very arrogant man to have spent his entire life savings making monuments of him and his families "accomplishments". Don't get me wrong, it is cool what he did and I like massive beautiful structures, but it seems stupid the way he had no security and tried to pull a fast one on the Pohick church not disclosing plans to raise the structure higher than the Pohick church. By the way, I visited the Pohick church recently, pretty frickin' lame place. Historical signifigance, sure I guess. Whatever.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
masa
()
Date: April 16, 2018 11:32PM
so no digging? bummer.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
bjiva
()
Date: April 27, 2018 04:34PM
anybody been out there latly ???????
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Bump in the night
()
Date: April 29, 2018 08:59PM
I finally got in this crypt and it's full of dead threads.
There are memorials to
Lambe center
W en cee
Arthur Treachers
Eisenhower connector
It just goes on and on.
There are memorials to
Lambe center
W en cee
Arthur Treachers
Eisenhower connector
It just goes on and on.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Pohick Church
()
Date: August 13, 2018 08:46PM
BUMP IT UP
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Pohick Flock
()
Date: August 13, 2018 08:48PM
Bump
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Incorrect troll is incorrect
()
Date: August 13, 2018 09:43PM
GotCha Wrote:
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> One of the longest-running hilarious jokes on FFXU
> is the "crypts". A few distributed faked photos
> distributed to a few places on the Internet, and a
> couple of seed stories planted to go with them.
> It goes viral, with a bunch of people making up
> childhood memories, contributing more faked
> photos, all of which gets recirulated and piled on
> and on ...and pretty soon there are SO MANY
> people believing in the existence of the crypts!
>
> It's astounding that it took this long for people
> to realize the whole thing was a hoax. Probably
> an Internet record!
>
> I wonder though, if the "I'm writing a book"
> gambit is what ultimately killed it. Perhaps it
> could have gone on for several more decades...
>
> People on the Internet will believe ANYTHING if
> you repeat it enough.
> Okay, even without the Internet, they will believe
> it!
Wrong, my friends father used to go there while he was in high school early 70s. He said there wasnt much to see, just a creepy old crypt.
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> One of the longest-running hilarious jokes on FFXU
> is the "crypts". A few distributed faked photos
> distributed to a few places on the Internet, and a
> couple of seed stories planted to go with them.
> It goes viral, with a bunch of people making up
> childhood memories, contributing more faked
> photos, all of which gets recirulated and piled on
> and on ...and pretty soon there are SO MANY
> people believing in the existence of the crypts!
>
> It's astounding that it took this long for people
> to realize the whole thing was a hoax. Probably
> an Internet record!
>
> I wonder though, if the "I'm writing a book"
> gambit is what ultimately killed it. Perhaps it
> could have gone on for several more decades...
>
> People on the Internet will believe ANYTHING if
> you repeat it enough.
> Okay, even without the Internet, they will believe
> it!
Wrong, my friends father used to go there while he was in high school early 70s. He said there wasnt much to see, just a creepy old crypt.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Mason's Neck Son
()
Date: August 15, 2018 07:22AM
The Crypts are definitely real. I've lived near them for almost 50 year and I know much about them. Ask a Pohick Church leader about them and a black cloud will form behind them before they dismiss you..
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Denizen of Snowden
()
Date: August 15, 2018 01:55PM
Maybe, the Brody guy might rise again with updated detail following this recent rehash? It's all still kind of cool.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Does Brody really exist?
()
Date: August 25, 2018 07:31PM
I'm beginning to believe that this so called "Brody" is just part of the crypt hoax.
Haven't seen any books being published.
Maybe he was employed by some government hoax department that ran out of funding.
Haven't seen any books being published.
Maybe he was employed by some government hoax department that ran out of funding.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody 666 Bruce Lie
()
Date: August 25, 2018 08:03PM
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Where is he
()
Date: August 26, 2018 11:16PM
Brody Levesque... any updates??
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
A Pohick Chick
()
Date: August 27, 2018 05:04PM
We've seen a guy in a pink dress and feather boa skipping down a dirt road out in Masons Neck. Is that this Brody guy? He don't look like he can read, much less write a book about some fake ass vodoo place
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
They are Real
()
Date: August 27, 2018 08:50PM
I know first hand they were real. Maybe the Brody guy figured a book about it wasn’t worth his time. I mean it’s nothing exciting, relax people.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
JF9KU
()
Date: August 27, 2018 09:38PM
I recall, long long ago, Brody giving his swan song on the forum and explaining why after all the work he did, he probably wasn't going to write the book after all. I forget the reason. He did write some other book; I think it was a gay thing (no kidding), forgot all details. There is a SEARCH function that I am sure would find all this. Which I am also obviously too lazy to use...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
FYN
()
Date: August 27, 2018 10:18PM
The Brody guy provided good information about the place. A lot that I didn't know even though I grew up nearby and was there many times. Some clueless fucktard who thinks that it's a "hoax" believes that he's owned a response? Well, here's your response. Fuck you newb.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Some Fucktard
()
Date: August 28, 2018 03:59AM
FYN Wrote:
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> Some clueless fucktard who thinks that it's a "hoax"
> believes that he's owned a response?
I didn't ask for a response, although I think it's hilarious
that you didn't see the humor in my posts and got all upset~
You missed the crazy references to classic FFUXU memes though.
Probably from way before your time. You also don't realize that
quite a few of the informative posts about the Crypts were written by me.
I am one of the oldest posters on the site but the last time
I bothered using one of my registered names here was 11 years ago.
Meanwhile, your nocturnal emissions of hate don't add anything at all.
It's so sad how far FFXU has deteriorated; it's mostly people like you.
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> Some clueless fucktard who thinks that it's a "hoax"
> believes that he's owned a response?
I didn't ask for a response, although I think it's hilarious
that you didn't see the humor in my posts and got all upset~
You missed the crazy references to classic FFUXU memes though.
Probably from way before your time. You also don't realize that
quite a few of the informative posts about the Crypts were written by me.
I am one of the oldest posters on the site but the last time
I bothered using one of my registered names here was 11 years ago.
Meanwhile, your nocturnal emissions of hate don't add anything at all.
It's so sad how far FFXU has deteriorated; it's mostly people like you.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
yeah
()
Date: September 01, 2018 07:34PM
crypts are real. the book was a hoax though. you guys got trolled for years.
it's a cool story, and one of the few decent threads on here anymore.
it's a cool story, and one of the few decent threads on here anymore.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Rick Serdavong
()
Date: November 05, 2018 03:39PM
So there is a real guy named Brody Levesque. I contacted him and spoke with him. He's a Chief Political Correspondent for The New Civil Rights Movement and he did write a book about early U.S. presidential automotive transportation and he is a super nice guy, but he ain't the same guy that posted on this Fairfax Underground thread promising everybody a book and taking their hard earned money and giving them false hope.
Yeah, I'm one of the idiots that actually believed in him. I'm embarrased to say this, but I gave him close to $8,000 in donations for his "research". I was so fascinated by the whole story of Charles Mason Remey and the tombs and I offered my support in any way possible. I wanted to help him convince the church to open up the tombs and he told me that he was very close to working out a deal and that he needed funding to make it happen. He also promised that I could see a return on that money in the form of profits from ticket sales to the tombs.
I knew there was something wrong when he declined to meet me in person to discuss the details of the deal. He also told me to mail him cash via FedEx which I know is so stupid of me, but I did it because I didn't want to upset him and I believed him when he said the church only would accept a cash deal under the table. I really feel like I've been taken for a ride and sold a pack of lies. Who else gave this person money? I know of at least 2 other people that I've met through FFX underground that also fell for this. I'm sure there are plenty more who are afraid to come out because of the embarrassment he caused us.
Is there any way to track this guy down? I really would like to get my money back and everybody else's money too, but I have a feeling he's long gone...
Yeah, I'm one of the idiots that actually believed in him. I'm embarrased to say this, but I gave him close to $8,000 in donations for his "research". I was so fascinated by the whole story of Charles Mason Remey and the tombs and I offered my support in any way possible. I wanted to help him convince the church to open up the tombs and he told me that he was very close to working out a deal and that he needed funding to make it happen. He also promised that I could see a return on that money in the form of profits from ticket sales to the tombs.
I knew there was something wrong when he declined to meet me in person to discuss the details of the deal. He also told me to mail him cash via FedEx which I know is so stupid of me, but I did it because I didn't want to upset him and I believed him when he said the church only would accept a cash deal under the table. I really feel like I've been taken for a ride and sold a pack of lies. Who else gave this person money? I know of at least 2 other people that I've met through FFX underground that also fell for this. I'm sure there are plenty more who are afraid to come out because of the embarrassment he caused us.
Is there any way to track this guy down? I really would like to get my money back and everybody else's money too, but I have a feeling he's long gone...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Greg Fucker
()
Date: November 05, 2018 08:17PM
Wow, if hat you say is true this could be a huge bombshell. I’m interested to know what happens in this case. Have you contacted the police?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody
()
Date: November 05, 2018 10:06PM
Rick,
I shouldn’t be the one to pour salt on your wounds, but you totally deserve it. What the fuck were you thinking? If you ever donate money to someone or some organization you always do it in the form of a check and you report it on your tax return. You sent cash to a stranger on the internet? There’s no way you can get your money back. Even if you could track this guy down, you don’t have any proof you ever gave it away! And no court of law would even hear your case because you don’t have any formal contract. Police will laugh in your fat, Caucasian face if you tell them this story.
You deserve what you got you fucktard. Have fun cleaning up the blood from your ripped wide open virgin asshole
I shouldn’t be the one to pour salt on your wounds, but you totally deserve it. What the fuck were you thinking? If you ever donate money to someone or some organization you always do it in the form of a check and you report it on your tax return. You sent cash to a stranger on the internet? There’s no way you can get your money back. Even if you could track this guy down, you don’t have any proof you ever gave it away! And no court of law would even hear your case because you don’t have any formal contract. Police will laugh in your fat, Caucasian face if you tell them this story.
You deserve what you got you fucktard. Have fun cleaning up the blood from your ripped wide open virgin asshole
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Rick Serdavong
()
Date: November 06, 2018 11:26AM
Brody Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Rick,
>
> I shouldn’t be the one to pour salt on your
> wounds, but you totally deserve it. What the fuck
> were you thinking? If you ever donate money to
> someone or some organization you always do it in
> the form of a check and you report it on your tax
> return. You sent cash to a stranger on the
> internet? There’s no way you can get your money
> back. Even if you could track this guy down, you
> don’t have any proof you ever gave it away! And
> no court of law would even hear your case because
> you don’t have any formal contract. Police will
> laugh in your fat, Caucasian face if you tell them
> this story.
> You deserve what you got you fucktard. Have fun
> cleaning up the blood from your ripped wide open
> virgin asshole
I agree that I was stupid to give him cash, but I didn't deserve to get what I got. I genuinely believed in his cause and I thought since he was a public figure that I didn't have anything to worry about. I realize that I will probably never get my money back, but it doesn't mean I can't try. And no, I do not want to get the police involved. I know they cannot help me. I have a private investigator working for me.
What I am asking is for any other Fairfax Underground folks who may know anything about this person to step forward with any information they have. Even if you don't think it's of any significance. Any private communication you may have had with him would be most beneficial.
I am offering $200 to each person who steps forward with credible and reliable information that leads up to identification of the individual who posed as Brody Levesque here on Fairfax Underground.
Please email your tips and information to me at phoenix@alivegroup.online
Be sure to include your full name and a brief description of your correspondence with him and the dates. Payments will be made via Paypal only so please use a valid Paypal verified email.
Thank you,
Rick
-------------------------------------------------------
> Rick,
>
> I shouldn’t be the one to pour salt on your
> wounds, but you totally deserve it. What the fuck
> were you thinking? If you ever donate money to
> someone or some organization you always do it in
> the form of a check and you report it on your tax
> return. You sent cash to a stranger on the
> internet? There’s no way you can get your money
> back. Even if you could track this guy down, you
> don’t have any proof you ever gave it away! And
> no court of law would even hear your case because
> you don’t have any formal contract. Police will
> laugh in your fat, Caucasian face if you tell them
> this story.
> You deserve what you got you fucktard. Have fun
> cleaning up the blood from your ripped wide open
> virgin asshole
I agree that I was stupid to give him cash, but I didn't deserve to get what I got. I genuinely believed in his cause and I thought since he was a public figure that I didn't have anything to worry about. I realize that I will probably never get my money back, but it doesn't mean I can't try. And no, I do not want to get the police involved. I know they cannot help me. I have a private investigator working for me.
What I am asking is for any other Fairfax Underground folks who may know anything about this person to step forward with any information they have. Even if you don't think it's of any significance. Any private communication you may have had with him would be most beneficial.
I am offering $200 to each person who steps forward with credible and reliable information that leads up to identification of the individual who posed as Brody Levesque here on Fairfax Underground.
Please email your tips and information to me at phoenix@alivegroup.online
Be sure to include your full name and a brief description of your correspondence with him and the dates. Payments will be made via Paypal only so please use a valid Paypal verified email.
Thank you,
Rick
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Anything else?
()
Date: November 06, 2018 12:31PM
Should we also give you our bank account information and social security number so that you can deposit the money in our account?
I've got to hand it to you.
A scam that claims to bring justice to the victims of a previous nonexistent scam
Are you that Nigerian prince that wanted to deposit a million dollars in my account but only required a small $1000 payment from me for "transfer fees" ?
I've got to hand it to you.
A scam that claims to bring justice to the victims of a previous nonexistent scam
Are you that Nigerian prince that wanted to deposit a million dollars in my account but only required a small $1000 payment from me for "transfer fees" ?
Brody Levesque and Carey
Posted by:
RemeyFan
()
Date: November 06, 2018 12:59PM
The last I heard about Brody Levesque was that he simply gave up
on writing the Remey book because his other projects and full-time
job took all his time. (And it didn't seem like the book was worth
writing for the amount of money it would bring in, compared to the task.)
Now, we know there really is a Brody Levesque, that he is an activist
in the gay community and a well-known journalist for gay publications,
and where he is currently working (for a related civil rights group).
I never saw him asking for money contributions to fund his book,
but I guess I just missed that. To the people who sent him money:
are you sure it was the same person?
Brody Levesque here gave his contact information as theroadtraveler@gmail.com.
That seems to be the real email of the real Brody Levesque; it's all over
the place on the Internet. This is 85% surely correct, and we could
double-check that it's 100% pretty easily by seeing if it was ever on
the official contact pages for the places he worked, and so forth.
I think it's the real email.
So, did anyone correspond with him on that email?
And is that the same email of the person who was taking money?
We could ask Carey --- or a police detective or a lawyer in discovery could --
whether the registered email address for the Brody Levesque account here
was also that email. It is hidden in his Profile here.
If someone took money on false pretenses like that, it's probably fraud.
So question #1 is: Did that money go to Brody Levesque?
Did Brody Levesque take money on false pretenses about funding a book?
The author claimed to have hundreds of pages and over a dozen illustrations
prepared for the book; it just needed a little filling in and lots of editing.
Or was it someone just pretending to be Brody Levesque?
Carey knows what IPs and email addresses the person was using.
I think Cary should investigate this potential criminal use of his site.
on writing the Remey book because his other projects and full-time
job took all his time. (And it didn't seem like the book was worth
writing for the amount of money it would bring in, compared to the task.)
Now, we know there really is a Brody Levesque, that he is an activist
in the gay community and a well-known journalist for gay publications,
and where he is currently working (for a related civil rights group).
I never saw him asking for money contributions to fund his book,
but I guess I just missed that. To the people who sent him money:
are you sure it was the same person?
Brody Levesque here gave his contact information as theroadtraveler@gmail.com.
That seems to be the real email of the real Brody Levesque; it's all over
the place on the Internet. This is 85% surely correct, and we could
double-check that it's 100% pretty easily by seeing if it was ever on
the official contact pages for the places he worked, and so forth.
I think it's the real email.
So, did anyone correspond with him on that email?
And is that the same email of the person who was taking money?
We could ask Carey --- or a police detective or a lawyer in discovery could --
whether the registered email address for the Brody Levesque account here
was also that email. It is hidden in his Profile here.
If someone took money on false pretenses like that, it's probably fraud.
So question #1 is: Did that money go to Brody Levesque?
Did Brody Levesque take money on false pretenses about funding a book?
The author claimed to have hundreds of pages and over a dozen illustrations
prepared for the book; it just needed a little filling in and lots of editing.
Or was it someone just pretending to be Brody Levesque?
Carey knows what IPs and email addresses the person was using.
I think Cary should investigate this potential criminal use of his site.
Re: Brody Levesque and Carey
Posted by:
Crypt Follower
()
Date: November 06, 2018 01:54PM
I've followed the Remy Crypt thread since the beginning.
I've spoken to Brody twice relative to my personal experiences at the Crypt.
At no time either in this thread or verbally did he ask for money.
He said that he was writing a book and so far at least, that doesn't seem to have happened.
This latest guy with the supposed cash payments has zero evidence of what he claims.
A little while back , someone was posting here claiming that the Crypt never existed and was a hoax.
Everything I observe points to a poster who has a personal grievance against Brody.
I've spoken to Brody twice relative to my personal experiences at the Crypt.
At no time either in this thread or verbally did he ask for money.
He said that he was writing a book and so far at least, that doesn't seem to have happened.
This latest guy with the supposed cash payments has zero evidence of what he claims.
A little while back , someone was posting here claiming that the Crypt never existed and was a hoax.
Everything I observe points to a poster who has a personal grievance against Brody.
Re: Brody Levesque and Carey
Posted by:
Another PayPal scammer
()
Date: November 06, 2018 02:18PM
Crypt Follower Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I've followed the Remy Crypt thread since the
> beginning.
> I've spoken to Brody twice relative to my personal
> experiences at the Crypt.
> At no time either in this thread or verbally did
> he ask for money.
> He said that he was writing a book and so far at
> least, that doesn't seem to have happened.
> This latest guy with the supposed cash payments
> has zero evidence of what he claims.
> A little while back , someone was posting here
> claiming that the Crypt never existed and was a
> hoax.
> Everything I observe points to a poster who has a
> personal grievance against Brody.
The tip-off on this rip-off is the instruction to only send emails from PayPal enabled email addresses.
The creativity of this guy is entertaining , I've got to admit.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I've followed the Remy Crypt thread since the
> beginning.
> I've spoken to Brody twice relative to my personal
> experiences at the Crypt.
> At no time either in this thread or verbally did
> he ask for money.
> He said that he was writing a book and so far at
> least, that doesn't seem to have happened.
> This latest guy with the supposed cash payments
> has zero evidence of what he claims.
> A little while back , someone was posting here
> claiming that the Crypt never existed and was a
> hoax.
> Everything I observe points to a poster who has a
> personal grievance against Brody.
The tip-off on this rip-off is the instruction to only send emails from PayPal enabled email addresses.
The creativity of this guy is entertaining , I've got to admit.
Re: Brody Levesque and Carey
Posted by:
Rick Serdavong
()
Date: November 06, 2018 03:16PM
Another PayPal scammer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Crypt Follower Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I've followed the Remy Crypt thread since the
> > beginning.
> > I've spoken to Brody twice relative to my
> personal
> > experiences at the Crypt.
> > At no time either in this thread or verbally
> did
> > he ask for money.
> > He said that he was writing a book and so far
> at
> > least, that doesn't seem to have happened.
> > This latest guy with the supposed cash payments
> > has zero evidence of what he claims.
> > A little while back , someone was posting here
> > claiming that the Crypt never existed and was a
> > hoax.
> > Everything I observe points to a poster who has
> a
> > personal grievance against Brody.
>
> The tip-off on this rip-off is the instruction to
> only send emails from PayPal enabled email
> addresses.
> The creativity of this guy is entertaining , I've
> got to admit.
I can assure you that it is not my intention to take money from people who are obviously trying to help. I'm offering a monetary reward to give people incentive to come forward with information about the person who has taken thousands of dollars from people. Can I get a little support here? And furthermore, I'm not sure how giving your name and email address out to someone suddenly puts you at risk for having funds withdrawn from your PayPal account? If anybody has any suggestions on another form of payment that can be made safely and securely online, I am all ears.
Until then, lets stick to the topic of trying to track this person down and deliver the justice they deserve!
Sincerely,
Rick
-------------------------------------------------------
> Crypt Follower Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I've followed the Remy Crypt thread since the
> > beginning.
> > I've spoken to Brody twice relative to my
> personal
> > experiences at the Crypt.
> > At no time either in this thread or verbally
> did
> > he ask for money.
> > He said that he was writing a book and so far
> at
> > least, that doesn't seem to have happened.
> > This latest guy with the supposed cash payments
> > has zero evidence of what he claims.
> > A little while back , someone was posting here
> > claiming that the Crypt never existed and was a
> > hoax.
> > Everything I observe points to a poster who has
> a
> > personal grievance against Brody.
>
> The tip-off on this rip-off is the instruction to
> only send emails from PayPal enabled email
> addresses.
> The creativity of this guy is entertaining , I've
> got to admit.
I can assure you that it is not my intention to take money from people who are obviously trying to help. I'm offering a monetary reward to give people incentive to come forward with information about the person who has taken thousands of dollars from people. Can I get a little support here? And furthermore, I'm not sure how giving your name and email address out to someone suddenly puts you at risk for having funds withdrawn from your PayPal account? If anybody has any suggestions on another form of payment that can be made safely and securely online, I am all ears.
Until then, lets stick to the topic of trying to track this person down and deliver the justice they deserve!
Sincerely,
Rick
Re: Brody Levesque and Carey
Posted by:
Call the police
()
Date: November 06, 2018 04:30PM
Rick Serdavong Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Another PayPal scammer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Crypt Follower Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I've followed the Remy Crypt thread since the
> > > beginning.
> > > I've spoken to Brody twice relative to my
> > personal
> > > experiences at the Crypt.
> > > At no time either in this thread or verbally
> > did
> > > he ask for money.
> > > He said that he was writing a book and so far
> > at
> > > least, that doesn't seem to have happened.
> > > This latest guy with the supposed cash
> payments
> > > has zero evidence of what he claims.
> > > A little while back , someone was posting
> here
> > > claiming that the Crypt never existed and was
> a
> > > hoax.
> > > Everything I observe points to a poster who
> has
> > a
> > > personal grievance against Brody.
> >
> > The tip-off on this rip-off is the instruction
> to
> > only send emails from PayPal enabled email
> > addresses.
> > The creativity of this guy is entertaining ,
> I've
> > got to admit.
>
> I can assure you that it is not my intention to
> take money from people who are obviously trying to
> help. I'm offering a monetary reward to give
> people incentive to come forward with information
> about the person who has taken thousands of
> dollars from people. Can I get a little support
> here? And furthermore, I'm not sure how giving
> your name and email address out to someone
> suddenly puts you at risk for having funds
> withdrawn from your PayPal account? If anybody has
> any suggestions on another form of payment that
> can be made safely and securely online, I am all
> ears.
>
> Until then, lets stick to the topic of trying to
> track this person down and deliver the justice
> they deserve!
>
> Sincerely,
> Rick
Call the police if you're stupid enough to FedEx $8000 in cash to someone you've never met.
We don't need any mechanism for payments to be made.
You are an obvious scammer
"Rick"
-------------------------------------------------------
> Another PayPal scammer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Crypt Follower Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I've followed the Remy Crypt thread since the
> > > beginning.
> > > I've spoken to Brody twice relative to my
> > personal
> > > experiences at the Crypt.
> > > At no time either in this thread or verbally
> > did
> > > he ask for money.
> > > He said that he was writing a book and so far
> > at
> > > least, that doesn't seem to have happened.
> > > This latest guy with the supposed cash
> payments
> > > has zero evidence of what he claims.
> > > A little while back , someone was posting
> here
> > > claiming that the Crypt never existed and was
> a
> > > hoax.
> > > Everything I observe points to a poster who
> has
> > a
> > > personal grievance against Brody.
> >
> > The tip-off on this rip-off is the instruction
> to
> > only send emails from PayPal enabled email
> > addresses.
> > The creativity of this guy is entertaining ,
> I've
> > got to admit.
>
> I can assure you that it is not my intention to
> take money from people who are obviously trying to
> help. I'm offering a monetary reward to give
> people incentive to come forward with information
> about the person who has taken thousands of
> dollars from people. Can I get a little support
> here? And furthermore, I'm not sure how giving
> your name and email address out to someone
> suddenly puts you at risk for having funds
> withdrawn from your PayPal account? If anybody has
> any suggestions on another form of payment that
> can be made safely and securely online, I am all
> ears.
>
> Until then, lets stick to the topic of trying to
> track this person down and deliver the justice
> they deserve!
>
> Sincerely,
> Rick
Call the police if you're stupid enough to FedEx $8000 in cash to someone you've never met.
We don't need any mechanism for payments to be made.
You are an obvious scammer
"Rick"
Re: Brody Levesque and Carey
Posted by:
Rick Serdavong
()
Date: November 06, 2018 07:18PM
OK, tell you what. If you have any information and would like to forward it to me please do so. If you would like to collect your reward, please let me know and we can make arrangements. If not, no big deal. You don’t have to give me any identifying information.
Thanks for your cooperation on this.
-Rick
Thanks for your cooperation on this.
-Rick
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BL Journalist
()
Date: November 06, 2018 07:38PM
November 6, 2018
It was brought to my attention there was a scammer/con artist soliciting funds for their "book" Here's the letter I sent Cary an hour ago:
November 6, 2018
Hi Cary,
Hope this finds you well. A friend of mine sent me word that there was a person(s) using my name on the Remey Tomb/Crypt thread who has solicited money to help "finish" their book.
As I have never asked for nor did I ever find myself in need of funding for my project which I think is a labour of love on my part, I'm kind of upset that there was a scammer who deemed it necessary to solicit funds from your readership.
My posts were informational and intended to provide data gleaned from my research period. I always left this email address in case anyone wished to chat with me and in fact, I communicated with dozens of folk over the years ranging from persons who 'partied' in the crypts to urban explorers and residents of Southeastern Fairfax County, Virginia who knew of its existence. Some were kind enough to provide me with anecdotal pictures and oral stories as well.
I'd apprecaite your letting the readership of that thread know it was definitely not me, the book project I have is still very much in development and I get to it, writing & researching on it as time permits. I do not now nor ever will I ever require any funds to complete my project
Please tell them that the 'crypts' are only a few chapters in the book which is a biography of Charles Mason Remey, and not the sole focus of the book You are welcome to let them know the contents of this email if need be.
Take care and I thank you.
Brody Levesque
Chief Political Correspondent
The New Civil Rights Movement Magazine
New York
Producer
Rated LGBT Radio
Los Angeles .
Rick? If you need to communicate with me please feel free to use my published email address as that is mine.
It was brought to my attention there was a scammer/con artist soliciting funds for their "book" Here's the letter I sent Cary an hour ago:
November 6, 2018
Hi Cary,
Hope this finds you well. A friend of mine sent me word that there was a person(s) using my name on the Remey Tomb/Crypt thread who has solicited money to help "finish" their book.
As I have never asked for nor did I ever find myself in need of funding for my project which I think is a labour of love on my part, I'm kind of upset that there was a scammer who deemed it necessary to solicit funds from your readership.
My posts were informational and intended to provide data gleaned from my research period. I always left this email address in case anyone wished to chat with me and in fact, I communicated with dozens of folk over the years ranging from persons who 'partied' in the crypts to urban explorers and residents of Southeastern Fairfax County, Virginia who knew of its existence. Some were kind enough to provide me with anecdotal pictures and oral stories as well.
I'd apprecaite your letting the readership of that thread know it was definitely not me, the book project I have is still very much in development and I get to it, writing & researching on it as time permits. I do not now nor ever will I ever require any funds to complete my project
Please tell them that the 'crypts' are only a few chapters in the book which is a biography of Charles Mason Remey, and not the sole focus of the book You are welcome to let them know the contents of this email if need be.
Take care and I thank you.
Brody Levesque
Chief Political Correspondent
The New Civil Rights Movement Magazine
New York
Producer
Rated LGBT Radio
Los Angeles .
Rick? If you need to communicate with me please feel free to use my published email address as that is mine.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
7VECG
()
Date: November 07, 2018 01:45AM
The Crypts, The Parties, Remey, The Bahai, The Book...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Mister Fixer
()
Date: November 07, 2018 09:56AM
I have followed this thread with great interest and I have spoken to Brody once or twice years ago and I assure you he is no scam artist. I do have to give props to the person who successfully if true scammed somebody out of $8000 via this terrible useless excuse for an Internet forum.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Don't hold your breath
()
Date: November 07, 2018 12:19PM
This "Rick" guy probably won't be in touch.
If we are to believe him ,he Fedexed $8000 in cash to someone he never met.
Now he's trying to hand out $200 to more people he's never met.
Does anyone else find all of this unbelievable?
If we are to believe him ,he Fedexed $8000 in cash to someone he never met.
Now he's trying to hand out $200 to more people he's never met.
Does anyone else find all of this unbelievable?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
John Kelly
()
Date: February 11, 2019 03:44PM
Hi. I'm a columnist in The Washington Post Metro section. I'm writing something about the Remey mausoleum and I'm hoping that "Mark C," who has some great photos of the place in the 1970s, will get in touch. I'd love to run some pictures with my column. Thanks. John Kelly. john.kelly@washpost.com
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Because you asked
()
Date: February 11, 2019 06:41PM
Feel free to include this photo in your column.
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
good mooorning
()
Date: February 12, 2019 08:01AM
Article on something to do with Remey today in WaPo.
See the arthur's post (I know it's author, just want to get trolls fired up) two posts above...
Send him info.
Might make for an interesting part two.
See the arthur's post (I know it's author, just want to get trolls fired up) two posts above...
Send him info.
Might make for an interesting part two.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
TombRaider
()
Date: February 13, 2019 12:45PM
Does anyone have pictures of the tombs?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jim Remains
()
Date: February 13, 2019 01:08PM
I had t thought about this place in years until I saw the story in today’s paper. My contribution to the discussion is that when I was a senior I had a girl bent over a monument or something inside. All I remember is that her name was Jesse and she had very long blonde hair.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
A link please? thanks
()
Date: February 13, 2019 01:29PM
Does anyone have a link to this most recent story? I can't find it.
I went there 73-75 84-85 and once in early 2000s.
I went there 73-75 84-85 and once in early 2000s.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Tales from the crypt
()
Date: February 13, 2019 06:51PM
A link please? thanks Wrote: https://youtu.be/qSSGFbMnpgQ
-------------------------------------------------------
> Does anyone have a link to this most recent story?
> I can't find it.
> I went there 73-75 84-85 and once in early 2000s.
Attachments:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Does anyone have a link to this most recent story?
> I can't find it.
> I went there 73-75 84-85 and once in early 2000s.
Attachments:
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Not Alan Rogers
()
Date: February 13, 2019 08:26PM
Here's the link to the main story in the Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/this-ill-fated-tomb-was-party-central-for-a-generation-of-northern-virginia-teens/2019/02/12/5ac7023e-2ec5-11e9-86ab-5d02109aeb01_story.html?utm_term=.58596620c528
And the link to the previous story about one of the carvings:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/what-does-a-sarcophagus-from-italy-have-to-do-with-a-virginia-mausoleum/2019/02/11/8af322a6-2e13-11e9-8ad3-9a5b113ecd3c_story.html?utm_term=.7479a424c5e2
Enjoy!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/this-ill-fated-tomb-was-party-central-for-a-generation-of-northern-virginia-teens/2019/02/12/5ac7023e-2ec5-11e9-86ab-5d02109aeb01_story.html?utm_term=.58596620c528
And the link to the previous story about one of the carvings:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/what-does-a-sarcophagus-from-italy-have-to-do-with-a-virginia-mausoleum/2019/02/11/8af322a6-2e13-11e9-8ad3-9a5b113ecd3c_story.html?utm_term=.7479a424c5e2
Enjoy!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Johnupter
()
Date: February 13, 2019 08:36PM
^thats a riot! He reads this thread and writes an article from it.
It IS news-worthy, that I hand to him.
It IS news-worthy, that I hand to him.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
AnthonyCumia
()
Date: February 15, 2019 12:52PM
OK, faggots, is this real or fake?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
UnFairFuxSux
()
Date: February 15, 2019 03:43PM
Are you real or Fake?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
UnFairFuxSux
()
Date: February 15, 2019 03:54PM
There is a brick air vent in the woods, you can break it open and go in thru there. Bring a rope, ladder and LED headlamp
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Are you a circus midget?
()
Date: February 15, 2019 05:06PM
I've been to those vents.
I haven't measured the inside but recall them as being less than two feet on the outside.
You'd have to be quite tiny to enter that way.
I haven't measured the inside but recall them as being less than two feet on the outside.
You'd have to be quite tiny to enter that way.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
InvestigationBegin!
()
Date: February 15, 2019 05:18PM
I’m glad to hear there are people still willing to investigate.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Hermaphrodite Cardinal
()
Date: February 15, 2019 05:48PM
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
This Just In Fairfax
()
Date: February 15, 2019 05:59PM
Not Alan Rogers Wrote:
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> Here's the link to the main story in the Post:
Attachments:
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> Here's the link to the main story in the Post:
Attachments:
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
This Just In Fairfax
()
Date: February 15, 2019 06:03PM
Not Alan Rogers Wrote:
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> And the link to the previous story about one of the carvings:
Attachments:
-------------------------------------------------------
> And the link to the previous story about one of the carvings:
Attachments:
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Angi1979
()
Date: March 18, 2019 09:48PM
Just spent 4 hours reading this thread. I'm in Stafford and just saw an article on Facebook on Abandoned Places In Virginia. Very interesting article and thanks to everyone who contributed.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Cool photos
()
Date: March 18, 2019 10:02PM
Thanks so much
Preston Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I used to visit the Remey Tomb in 1972-73 with my
> sister and a friend of hers. We were fascinated,
> and terrified at the same time, by the place. But
> mainly we were heartbroken at its ruin. We love
> old cemeteries and were saddened by the lack of
> respect it was given over the years. I am
> attaching the photos we took in those days. I
> apologize for their poor quality.
>
> A story we'd heard was that the obelisk was the
> most haunted part of the mausoleum, and true to
> local lore, none of the photos I ever took of it
> ever came out.
Preston Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I used to visit the Remey Tomb in 1972-73 with my
> sister and a friend of hers. We were fascinated,
> and terrified at the same time, by the place. But
> mainly we were heartbroken at its ruin. We love
> old cemeteries and were saddened by the lack of
> respect it was given over the years. I am
> attaching the photos we took in those days. I
> apologize for their poor quality.
>
> A story we'd heard was that the obelisk was the
> most haunted part of the mausoleum, and true to
> local lore, none of the photos I ever took of it
> ever came out.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jan Dingleberry
()
Date: April 24, 2019 02:06AM
Bump bumpity bump-bump we gotta dig this thing up-up!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
WTF..
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Date: April 24, 2019 02:14AM
This is some satanic shit. God damn
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
sunnah
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Date: July 08, 2019 02:08AM
Can anyone post 2019 pictures? I will go to this place this year and take pictures but I am not going underground. Too old for that.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
JOY MONIQUE ANDERSON
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Date: October 20, 2019 11:30AM
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Cryp Keeper
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Date: October 20, 2019 03:33PM
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Crypt Keeper
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Date: October 20, 2019 04:03PM
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Samson Crackledan
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Date: February 18, 2020 09:15PM
The underground portion is completely inaccessible without digging and breaking through layers of concrete...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
URBEXII
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Date: February 19, 2020 07:21AM
So it is possible!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
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RIP Torn
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Date: April 17, 2020 10:40PM
How may people have this from the walls of the crypt? I bet no one.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
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K rona
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Date: April 30, 2020 08:21PM
Being stuck at home, I started looking at these posts again and have a few observations. It was debated whether the entire underground complex was actually built as depicted on Remey's drawing (attached below... the pics I post were posted before and are not mine). I think it was all built.
I don't recall that anyone posting here went beyond the first three underground rooms on the left side of the drawing. The "Entrance Chamber" was where the the headless man statute was (probably the small square in that room depicted in the drawing ... I always thought the statute was Remey and his wife, but it actually his mother and Admiral father). Going a little further and off to each side is the Remey and Mason Chapels, which apparently is where the stone coffins were that the kids in the pics were lying on.
People heard about more rooms further back from others, but hadn't actually seen them. Most mentioned a concrete block wall further back, which seems to have been installed after the bodies were all removed and the church took control in 73. I always wondered exactly where on the drawing this wall was, but I now believe that it's at the "T" hallway area just before the Rotunda. I marked the area with red on the drawing.
In the attached pic, the cement block wall is clearly seen at the end of the hallway. On the walls of the hallway are three pillar-like fixtures. There are three features indicated in the same hallway on the drawing. Thus, the person taking the picture would have been standing in the square common area between the Mason and Remey Chapels facing toward the Rotunda.
Someone said that a smallish hole was made through the cement block wall and dirt was found. One poster said there were actually two separate walls with dirt between them to fool anyone who broke through the first wall. He said that the dirt was placed between the walls from above through one of the vents.
A drawing previously posted here shows where the vents were located. One was above the room where the person taking this pic was and the other was where I have the concrete block wall shown on the drawing. So, it seems that the concrete wall was located just before one would enter the rotunda.
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I don't recall that anyone posting here went beyond the first three underground rooms on the left side of the drawing. The "Entrance Chamber" was where the the headless man statute was (probably the small square in that room depicted in the drawing ... I always thought the statute was Remey and his wife, but it actually his mother and Admiral father). Going a little further and off to each side is the Remey and Mason Chapels, which apparently is where the stone coffins were that the kids in the pics were lying on.
People heard about more rooms further back from others, but hadn't actually seen them. Most mentioned a concrete block wall further back, which seems to have been installed after the bodies were all removed and the church took control in 73. I always wondered exactly where on the drawing this wall was, but I now believe that it's at the "T" hallway area just before the Rotunda. I marked the area with red on the drawing.
In the attached pic, the cement block wall is clearly seen at the end of the hallway. On the walls of the hallway are three pillar-like fixtures. There are three features indicated in the same hallway on the drawing. Thus, the person taking the picture would have been standing in the square common area between the Mason and Remey Chapels facing toward the Rotunda.
Someone said that a smallish hole was made through the cement block wall and dirt was found. One poster said there were actually two separate walls with dirt between them to fool anyone who broke through the first wall. He said that the dirt was placed between the walls from above through one of the vents.
A drawing previously posted here shows where the vents were located. One was above the room where the person taking this pic was and the other was where I have the concrete block wall shown on the drawing. So, it seems that the concrete wall was located just before one would enter the rotunda.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K rona
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Date: April 30, 2020 08:25PM
Remey's own papers also support that he built the entire underground area (if you believe them as true). In his 1954 "Architect's Afterword," (posted back on page 2), he wrote in the page attached below that he "built.. a series of subterranean crypts and chapels and other chambers that now actually comprise the Remeum.... that is much more spacious, monumental and enduring and far larger in its dimensions and interior arrangements [than he had previously planned]." That doesn't sound like he only built those first three rooms.
Remey also included a pic of the sarcophagus of his wife, Gertrude, that was in the Remeum... attached below. The pic shows it being in some long hallway. It wasn't in the Entrance Chamber as that is where the headless man statute was. So, it had to be somewhere behind the cement block wall.
Maybe it's the rectangle depicted in the middle of the "Military Memorial Area," which looks a little wider but similar to the Entrance Chamber. That Military Area appears to be a sunken area about five steps down... which supports the stories of there being multiple levels of one main level, but not multiple "stories."
As someone pointed out, if Remey only built those first three underground rooms, where did they put all 16 bodies that were later moved? Yeah, some were cremated, but even so, the rest weren't all in those three rooms. Apparently, most were past where the cement wall was eventually placed... where Gertrude had to be.
And it doesn't make sense that they would destroy the underground complex and leave the vents standing. I suppose it's possible that it wasn't destroyed but was pumped full of some sort of cement slurry. That would take a lot of cement and seems pretty expensive for a church.
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Remey also included a pic of the sarcophagus of his wife, Gertrude, that was in the Remeum... attached below. The pic shows it being in some long hallway. It wasn't in the Entrance Chamber as that is where the headless man statute was. So, it had to be somewhere behind the cement block wall.
Maybe it's the rectangle depicted in the middle of the "Military Memorial Area," which looks a little wider but similar to the Entrance Chamber. That Military Area appears to be a sunken area about five steps down... which supports the stories of there being multiple levels of one main level, but not multiple "stories."
As someone pointed out, if Remey only built those first three underground rooms, where did they put all 16 bodies that were later moved? Yeah, some were cremated, but even so, the rest weren't all in those three rooms. Apparently, most were past where the cement wall was eventually placed... where Gertrude had to be.
And it doesn't make sense that they would destroy the underground complex and leave the vents standing. I suppose it's possible that it wasn't destroyed but was pumped full of some sort of cement slurry. That would take a lot of cement and seems pretty expensive for a church.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K rona
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Date: April 30, 2020 08:29PM
I realized though after looking at pics and the drawings that to reach the underground crypt, one had to go through three gates. Maybe that was Remey's security plan until the temple was built that would provide more human presence. You would think he would know that something so elaborate would be vandalized.
The first gate was the drive-up "Entrance" on Remey's drawing (posted back on page 2) that was through the 20 foot high main courtyard wall near the obelisk. There doesn't seem to be any pics of this gate or general area. And no pics of the obelisk before the courtyard walls came down either.
The second gate was between the "Atrium" and "Inner Atrium" on the drawing. This was the archway as seen in the distance in the pic attached below that was taken by someone standing in the "Cruciform Enclosure" area, with the obelisk being at their back. (pics were previously posted and are not mine)
The third and last gate was the actual entrance to the crypt itself. This is the pic below with the human sized hole busted through the brick wall. It's the same entrance that a pic was posted before that has the "91" painted above it after the church tried to block it with dirt. The person taking the pic was standing under the arch that I've called the second gate.
The pathway in the pic leading to the crypt entrance is where "Inner Atrium" is written on Remey's drawing, and the entrance is indicated as "Narthex." The lions were on each side of that pathway.
None of this is probably news for those who have been there. It took me awhile to figure it all out. It would have been something to see it all at night under a full moon with the lions staring at you. Too bad it's no more... the above ground part anyway.
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The first gate was the drive-up "Entrance" on Remey's drawing (posted back on page 2) that was through the 20 foot high main courtyard wall near the obelisk. There doesn't seem to be any pics of this gate or general area. And no pics of the obelisk before the courtyard walls came down either.
The second gate was between the "Atrium" and "Inner Atrium" on the drawing. This was the archway as seen in the distance in the pic attached below that was taken by someone standing in the "Cruciform Enclosure" area, with the obelisk being at their back. (pics were previously posted and are not mine)
The third and last gate was the actual entrance to the crypt itself. This is the pic below with the human sized hole busted through the brick wall. It's the same entrance that a pic was posted before that has the "91" painted above it after the church tried to block it with dirt. The person taking the pic was standing under the arch that I've called the second gate.
The pathway in the pic leading to the crypt entrance is where "Inner Atrium" is written on Remey's drawing, and the entrance is indicated as "Narthex." The lions were on each side of that pathway.
None of this is probably news for those who have been there. It took me awhile to figure it all out. It would have been something to see it all at night under a full moon with the lions staring at you. Too bad it's no more... the above ground part anyway.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ben Dere
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Date: April 30, 2020 09:00PM
There was only one real gate - a big arched iron gate at the entrance. That you have right.
In your second pic above, where the bricked area is with the hole in it, originally there were big doors. You can kind of see that in one of the old news photos when the kids knocked a hold through the bricks to the right of that.
If you look closely, you can also see in the drawn plan the indication of doors there (two curved arrows).
Looks in the drawing like there also may have been doors from the Narthex into the Entrance Chamber. Looks like faint trace of two curved arrows there too. They at some point blocked that point off by dumping fill into the vent above and bricking it off inside. There's a pic of a small hole made in the brick/block there somewhere in this thread.
In your second pic above, where the bricked area is with the hole in it, originally there were big doors. You can kind of see that in one of the old news photos when the kids knocked a hold through the bricks to the right of that.
If you look closely, you can also see in the drawn plan the indication of doors there (two curved arrows).
Looks in the drawing like there also may have been doors from the Narthex into the Entrance Chamber. Looks like faint trace of two curved arrows there too. They at some point blocked that point off by dumping fill into the vent above and bricking it off inside. There's a pic of a small hole made in the brick/block there somewhere in this thread.
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Forgot to post the 91 pic
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Date: April 30, 2020 09:05PM
You can see the top of the same arched entrance in the pic below.
That's the hole that you see above and behind kids in the pics from the inside. You'd enter through there and then climb down to the floor level. Later they tried to block that off with iron bars, dirt, etc., but people would just bust through it again.
That's the hole that you see above and behind kids in the pics from the inside. You'd enter through there and then climb down to the floor level. Later they tried to block that off with iron bars, dirt, etc., but people would just bust through it again.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K rona
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Date: April 30, 2020 10:17PM
Thanks Ben Dere. I had arch in the 91 pic figured out as being the same as the busted through doorway in the second pic I posted (after a long time piecing everything together). I was going to post the diagram of the outside but already posted the underground part in my other post.
What was in the arch in the "gate" before you entered the Inner Atrium that is shown in the first pic I posted? It looks like some metal in there too. It may have been gone though before you were there as the pic seems to be from 73.
Did I get the placement of the cement block wall right in my previous post as it seems you were in the underground part? (I'm jealous)
What was in the arch in the "gate" before you entered the Inner Atrium that is shown in the first pic I posted? It looks like some metal in there too. It may have been gone though before you were there as the pic seems to be from 73.
Did I get the placement of the cement block wall right in my previous post as it seems you were in the underground part? (I'm jealous)
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K rona
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Date: April 30, 2020 10:34PM
The two rectangles by the Narthex in the diagram must be the lions by the pathway that comes from the Atrium/Inner Atrium archway that is seen in the distance in my first pic. One of the lions is visible by the Inner Atrium pathway in the pic with the hole in doorway.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ben Dere
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Date: April 30, 2020 10:41PM
K rona Wrote:
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> Thanks Ben Dere. I had arch in the 91 pic figured
> out as being the same as the busted through
> doorway in the second pic I posted (after a long
> time piecing everything together). I was going to
> post the diagram of the outside but already posted
> the underground part in my other post.
>
> What was in the arch in the "gate" before you
> entered the Inner Atrium that is shown in the
> first pic I posted? It looks like some metal in
> there too. It may have been gone though before you
> were there as the pic seems to be from 73.
Nothing on the outside where the lions are. Doors on the inside arch that's bricked up with the hole originally I believe. You can kind of see them in better versions of this pic but I can't find any online now.
This is an interior view of the same "91" pic where you'd crawl through.
> Did I get the placement of the cement block wall
> right in my previous post as it seems you were in
> the underground part? (I'm jealous)
I'm not sure which you're talking about. There were several where they'd tried to brick and block things off over the years.
The block wall that I'm talking about would have been at the interior end of the Narthex blocking off everything else inside. I never got beyond that. It was sealed up by then. We never knew that there was anything beyond that. Had we known, that would have been busted through quickly.
It's shown here:
You'd have thought that we would have known that something was different about that cinderblock wall but usually if you were there you were under the influence of something. lol There was a hole not shown in that pic where someone had tried to bust through at some point but all that you saw was dirt that they'd dropped down from above so it wasn't obvious there was more.
This would have been in the late 60s/early 70s.
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> Thanks Ben Dere. I had arch in the 91 pic figured
> out as being the same as the busted through
> doorway in the second pic I posted (after a long
> time piecing everything together). I was going to
> post the diagram of the outside but already posted
> the underground part in my other post.
>
> What was in the arch in the "gate" before you
> entered the Inner Atrium that is shown in the
> first pic I posted? It looks like some metal in
> there too. It may have been gone though before you
> were there as the pic seems to be from 73.
Nothing on the outside where the lions are. Doors on the inside arch that's bricked up with the hole originally I believe. You can kind of see them in better versions of this pic but I can't find any online now.
This is an interior view of the same "91" pic where you'd crawl through.
> Did I get the placement of the cement block wall
> right in my previous post as it seems you were in
> the underground part? (I'm jealous)
I'm not sure which you're talking about. There were several where they'd tried to brick and block things off over the years.
The block wall that I'm talking about would have been at the interior end of the Narthex blocking off everything else inside. I never got beyond that. It was sealed up by then. We never knew that there was anything beyond that. Had we known, that would have been busted through quickly.
It's shown here:
You'd have thought that we would have known that something was different about that cinderblock wall but usually if you were there you were under the influence of something. lol There was a hole not shown in that pic where someone had tried to bust through at some point but all that you saw was dirt that they'd dropped down from above so it wasn't obvious there was more.
This would have been in the late 60s/early 70s.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K rona
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Date: April 30, 2020 11:39PM
Because I was bored, I made two other posts today immediately before the one about the gates that are back on page 10. One was about the concrete wall and included the same pic of that hallway you just posted.
The attached pic shows the "Entrance to Underground Complex" which is the where the 91 pic is and the hole busted in pic. It also shows the "Entrance to the Inner Atrium," which is archway shown in the far away 73 pic I posted. The person taking the pic of the hole in the doorway would have been standing under the "Entrance to Inner Atrium" arch shown from afar in the 73 pic, which is what I called the second gate.
That's how I came up with the three gates... the main entrance to the courtyard, this archway, and the 91 pic entrance to the crypt itself. I have a feeling the whole Inner Atrium wall and arch were already destroyed before you were there.
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The attached pic shows the "Entrance to Underground Complex" which is the where the 91 pic is and the hole busted in pic. It also shows the "Entrance to the Inner Atrium," which is archway shown in the far away 73 pic I posted. The person taking the pic of the hole in the doorway would have been standing under the "Entrance to Inner Atrium" arch shown from afar in the 73 pic, which is what I called the second gate.
That's how I came up with the three gates... the main entrance to the courtyard, this archway, and the 91 pic entrance to the crypt itself. I have a feeling the whole Inner Atrium wall and arch were already destroyed before you were there.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ben Dere
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Date: May 01, 2020 12:14AM
K rona Wrote:
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> Because I was bored, I made two other posts today
> immediately before the one about the gates that
> are back on page 10. One was about the concrete
> wall and included the same pic of that hallway you
> just posted.
>
> The attached pic shows the "Entrance to
> Underground Complex" which is the where the 91 pic
> is and the hole busted in pic.
That's correct. That's where the 91 pic and entrance to the crypt was.
> It also shows the "Entrance to the Inner Atrium," which is archway
> shown in the far away 73 pic I posted. The person
> taking the pic of the hole in the doorway would
> have been standing under the "Entrance to Inner
> Atrium" arch shown from afar in the 73 pic, which
> is what I called the second gate.
>
> That's how I came up with the three gates... the
> main entrance to the courtyard, this archway, and
> the 91 pic entrance to the crypt itself. I have a
> feeling the whole Inner Atrium wall and arch were
> already destroyed before you were there.
That was all there. You'd use the corner of that wall to drop down into the "courtyard" for lack of any better term around it if you didn't want to walk over to the entrance where the 91 pic is.
My labeling above was wrong.
The Inner Atrium surrounded the area of the entrance. There may have been some iron gate there (as shown by the arrows on the drawing) and thinking more again now I kind of recall one but can't be sure of that.
The entrance to the underground area was at the rear of the Narthex (the 91 pic).
The block wall in the pic above would have been at the rear of the hall between were it says Tombs" at both sides in the drawing.
That makes more sense now. I was starting at the wrong point as the entrance.
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> Because I was bored, I made two other posts today
> immediately before the one about the gates that
> are back on page 10. One was about the concrete
> wall and included the same pic of that hallway you
> just posted.
>
> The attached pic shows the "Entrance to
> Underground Complex" which is the where the 91 pic
> is and the hole busted in pic.
That's correct. That's where the 91 pic and entrance to the crypt was.
> It also shows the "Entrance to the Inner Atrium," which is archway
> shown in the far away 73 pic I posted. The person
> taking the pic of the hole in the doorway would
> have been standing under the "Entrance to Inner
> Atrium" arch shown from afar in the 73 pic, which
> is what I called the second gate.
>
> That's how I came up with the three gates... the
> main entrance to the courtyard, this archway, and
> the 91 pic entrance to the crypt itself. I have a
> feeling the whole Inner Atrium wall and arch were
> already destroyed before you were there.
That was all there. You'd use the corner of that wall to drop down into the "courtyard" for lack of any better term around it if you didn't want to walk over to the entrance where the 91 pic is.
My labeling above was wrong.
The Inner Atrium surrounded the area of the entrance. There may have been some iron gate there (as shown by the arrows on the drawing) and thinking more again now I kind of recall one but can't be sure of that.
The entrance to the underground area was at the rear of the Narthex (the 91 pic).
The block wall in the pic above would have been at the rear of the hall between were it says Tombs" at both sides in the drawing.
That makes more sense now. I was starting at the wrong point as the entrance.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K rona
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Date: May 01, 2020 12:42AM
Thanks for all the info Ben Dere. I wish I could have seen it, but I love putting together diagrams and pics to see things which no longer exist.
It took me a long time to realize that that there were two different archways in the pics I posted about the gates. The main crypt entrance has on each side of it two smaller arches supported by a pillar (as seen best in the newspaper article).
Meanwhile, the Atrium arch has a solid wall with two white squares with artwork on each side of the arch. It's like putting a puzzle together.
This is a better pic of the Atrium arch, (same arch as my "73" pic) when things were already falling apart. The main crypt entrance arch ("91" pic and hole busted in doorway pic) would have been about 40 or so ft beyond this arch. Interesting layout to say the least.
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It took me a long time to realize that that there were two different archways in the pics I posted about the gates. The main crypt entrance has on each side of it two smaller arches supported by a pillar (as seen best in the newspaper article).
Meanwhile, the Atrium arch has a solid wall with two white squares with artwork on each side of the arch. It's like putting a puzzle together.
This is a better pic of the Atrium arch, (same arch as my "73" pic) when things were already falling apart. The main crypt entrance arch ("91" pic and hole busted in doorway pic) would have been about 40 or so ft beyond this arch. Interesting layout to say the least.
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Posted by:
Ben Dere
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Date: May 01, 2020 01:04AM
Yes, that was all fairly well maintained when I was first there. Wasn't grown up like in your pic above. The outer areas were in good shape. The only parts that were busted up were inside were people had vandalized things.
There were a set of stairs probably right around where that pic was taken that led to the larger open area with the obelisk at the far end (shown in the fold in the pic below):
The whole place was pretty damn cool.
I went back once when working with the county in the early 80s. Pretty grown up by then but not too bad. People had busted up a lot more of the mosaic made with glass tiles and other panels along the walls. Not sure when they buried everything.
There were a set of stairs probably right around where that pic was taken that led to the larger open area with the obelisk at the far end (shown in the fold in the pic below):
The whole place was pretty damn cool.
I went back once when working with the county in the early 80s. Pretty grown up by then but not too bad. People had busted up a lot more of the mosaic made with glass tiles and other panels along the walls. Not sure when they buried everything.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K rona
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Date: May 01, 2020 01:30AM
The pic below of the Inner Atrium would have been taken on top of the Atrium wall (that you probably crawled over) and the crypt entrance would have been just off the right side of the pic. On the last pic I posted, this pic taker would have been sitting on top of the wall to the left of the left most white square on the wall on the left of the arch.
You'll have to find me pics of the big, main entrance gates and also the obelisk surrounded with the big walls. Haha. Would love to see that. Most everything else is pretty well covered with pics in this whole thread. Enough pics to figure out how it looked anyway. The satellite pics from the 50s match exactly the outside fixtures in the drawing. Very cool.
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You'll have to find me pics of the big, main entrance gates and also the obelisk surrounded with the big walls. Haha. Would love to see that. Most everything else is pretty well covered with pics in this whole thread. Enough pics to figure out how it looked anyway. The satellite pics from the 50s match exactly the outside fixtures in the drawing. Very cool.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ben Dere
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Date: May 01, 2020 01:57AM
Kind of surprised that there aren't pics of the main gate. Kind of a prominent feature. But then most people were there at night. And that was toward the view of the caretaker's place. And we didn't all have have cell phones with us like now.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
RIP Torn
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Date: May 01, 2020 05:39PM
The vent shafts are open into the crypt there is alot of trash in them. I was there 2 years ago and went there we had a steel pipe and where able to push it through the trash when it fell through inside we also had a police style flashlight and you could see a little into the darkness I believe it would be possible to get in through vents but would be difficult also you would have to have a rope ladder to climb down. If caught you are going to jail for sure.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K rona
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Date: May 01, 2020 08:07PM
Interesting about the vents. Were they both open or just the one nearest to the obelisk? My calculations show the one nearest the obelisk would be above the room between the Remey and Mason Chapels, which should be open below. The other vent would be above the concrete block wall at the end of the hallway just before the rotunda.
You wouldn't think the vent above the concrete wall would be clear on the bottom if it actually was used to place dirt between the two walls like was claimed. And I don't think Remey ever wrote how much dirt is on top of the crypt ceiling. Probably 3-4 feet so the flue pipes surrounded by concrete in the vents is probably about six feet.
The vents would be one way in, but it would take a lot of jack hammering, which the church would never allow. The only way anything will ever be solved is for the church to be willing to sell the land to someone. The church's property rights have to be respected at this point.
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You wouldn't think the vent above the concrete wall would be clear on the bottom if it actually was used to place dirt between the two walls like was claimed. And I don't think Remey ever wrote how much dirt is on top of the crypt ceiling. Probably 3-4 feet so the flue pipes surrounded by concrete in the vents is probably about six feet.
The vents would be one way in, but it would take a lot of jack hammering, which the church would never allow. The only way anything will ever be solved is for the church to be willing to sell the land to someone. The church's property rights have to be respected at this point.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K rona
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Date: May 01, 2020 08:15PM
I wonder if Remey designed the place so that the obelisk has some special significance, specifically it's shadow on a specific day. I know if I would have designed something like that, I would have had the shadow from the obelisk point toward the crypt entrance on my birthday, or something cool like that. Maybe even point toward a secret entrance. Haha.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Rip Torn
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Date: May 01, 2020 08:40PM
I grew up in Falls Church started going there in 69 was really a kool place to go then people just trashed it. They tried to cover the entrance but people still got in.You know it is a place of history.I found the star on one of my trips there and have it to this day its age is 50 plus yrs.Its probable one of the only things left.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K rona
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Date: May 01, 2020 09:04PM
That's a cool artifact. It looks like some type of door handle or something but the attachment for the circle thing doesn't look strong enough though. And it also looks like some type of occult symbol.
There are probably quite a few people with artifacts around, but anyone else wouldn't have a clue what those things are or where they came from. Like others have said repeatedly, it truly is a shame that all those outside fixtures and artwork was destroyed. What a waste.
There are probably quite a few people with artifacts around, but anyone else wouldn't have a clue what those things are or where they came from. Like others have said repeatedly, it truly is a shame that all those outside fixtures and artwork was destroyed. What a waste.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
just_not_right
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Date: May 02, 2020 07:48AM
So let me get this straight.
You trespassed
You Stole
You vandalized
And you flaunt what you stole with pictures here.
I grew up in the area in the 60s and knew of the place but respected the fact that it was private property and I was not welcome. I
What warped sense of values did you grow up with?
You trespassed
You Stole
You vandalized
And you flaunt what you stole with pictures here.
I grew up in the area in the 60s and knew of the place but respected the fact that it was private property and I was not welcome. I
What warped sense of values did you grow up with?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Reality strikes
()
Date: May 02, 2020 09:38AM
just_not_right Wrote:
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> So let me get this straight.
>
> You trespassed
>
> You Stole
>
> You vandalized
>
> And you flaunt what you stole with pictures here.
>
> I grew up in the area in the 60s and knew of the
> place but respected the fact that it was private
> property and I was not welcome. I
>
> What warped sense of values did you grow up with?
+10000.
That’s exactly what’s wrong with this world today. No respect.
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> So let me get this straight.
>
> You trespassed
>
> You Stole
>
> You vandalized
>
> And you flaunt what you stole with pictures here.
>
> I grew up in the area in the 60s and knew of the
> place but respected the fact that it was private
> property and I was not welcome. I
>
> What warped sense of values did you grow up with?
+10000.
That’s exactly what’s wrong with this world today. No respect.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
respect what?
()
Date: May 02, 2020 01:41PM
just_not_right Wrote:
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> So let me get this straight.
>
> You trespassed
>
> You Stole
>
> You vandalized
>
> And you flaunt what you stole with pictures here.
>
> I grew up in the area in the 60s and knew of the
> place but respected the fact that it was private
> property and I was not welcome. I
>
> What warped sense of values did you grow up with?
it is some sand niggers failed cemetery
bulldoze it over and call it a day
it has no worth at all
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> So let me get this straight.
>
> You trespassed
>
> You Stole
>
> You vandalized
>
> And you flaunt what you stole with pictures here.
>
> I grew up in the area in the 60s and knew of the
> place but respected the fact that it was private
> property and I was not welcome. I
>
> What warped sense of values did you grow up with?
it is some sand niggers failed cemetery
bulldoze it over and call it a day
it has no worth at all
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
just plainwrong
()
Date: May 03, 2020 10:49AM
respect what? Wrote:
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> just_not_right Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So let me get this straight.
> >
> > You trespassed
> >
> > You Stole
> >
> > You vandalized
> >
> > And you flaunt what you stole with pictures
> here.
> >
> > I grew up in the area in the 60s and knew of
> the
> > place but respected the fact that it was
> private
> > property and I was not welcome. I
> >
> > What warped sense of values did you grow up
> with?
>
>
> it is some sand niggers failed cemetery
> bulldoze it over and call it a day
> it has no worth at all
Some could also say your values have no worth at all...
Bet you be upset if someone stole your "Klan Robe"
While you may not have subscribed to his views, desecration of a Cemetery isn't right and destruction of property is wrong.
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> just_not_right Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So let me get this straight.
> >
> > You trespassed
> >
> > You Stole
> >
> > You vandalized
> >
> > And you flaunt what you stole with pictures
> here.
> >
> > I grew up in the area in the 60s and knew of
> the
> > place but respected the fact that it was
> private
> > property and I was not welcome. I
> >
> > What warped sense of values did you grow up
> with?
>
>
> it is some sand niggers failed cemetery
> bulldoze it over and call it a day
> it has no worth at all
Some could also say your values have no worth at all...
Bet you be upset if someone stole your "Klan Robe"
While you may not have subscribed to his views, desecration of a Cemetery isn't right and destruction of property is wrong.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: May 03, 2020 12:57PM
Sunday, May 3, 2020
San Francisco, California
Dear Folks,
I revisited the Fairfax Underground today out of idle curiosity to see if the Remeum thread had been active, at least since I spoke with my journalistic colleague John Kelly at The Washington Post a year ago.
Unsurprisingly it has been active as there remains a keen interest in the story, actually stories- about the place that two generations of Northern Virginia's adolescents labeled ‘The Crypts.’
I see that there remains debate over the complex and since I have devoted nearly 11 years on and off researching, interviewing, and collecting materials about not only the Remeum but the incredible man who built it, Charles Mason Remey; I thought I’d address a couple of points that I noted continue to be raised.
First, yes he did in fact complete the complex. The cinder-block wall that you see in numerous pictures taken by the teens and young adults who have explored or partied in the Remeum’s entrance way or vestibule (narthex) from the atrium is a plug if you will to the complex beyond. In accordance with the settlement and ruling in the lawsuit filed in the United States District Court Eastern District of Virginia, Alexandria, Virginia; (Truro Parish v. Charles Mason Remey- 1968), Remey had appointed his brother-in-law, Rear Admiral John Remey Wadleigh his representative, tasking him with executing the provisions of the final settlement and ruling.
In an interview with the Admiral’s daughter, she told me that she couldn’t remember the reason that her father didn’t block the vestibule (narthex) entrance instead of where he ordered the wall built. But she did in fact remember seeing pictures of the rest of the complex in the late 1950’s or early 1960’s.
Her account and descriptions of the complex meshed with the an interview I had with the demolitions expert who had been hired by Shirley Contracting Corporation to do a feasibility study of an implosion-demo of the complex.
The stories of the ‘crypts’ and the various accounts of what folks remembered are faithful to each other in terms of descriptions of the elements contained within the vestibule (narthex) and in the earlier iterations the outer atrium areas.
Could access be gained now some 35+ years after the final demolition and back-fill? Possibly, but I highly doubt that the vestry of the Pohick Church would allow it. Incredibly enough, even after 3 plus decades the Remeum still remains a very sore subject with the church. That said, there are treasurable sculptures and artifacts that would very much have historic value if unearthed.
The book I have been working on and off for years now. I still am sadly unable to commit to the time it will take at the current moment to sit down and finish writing it. On that note- I was highly unamused in regards to the troll’s efforts to execute a ‘money-beg’ masquerading as me. I’ll reiterate that the book is being written as I get time and that I do not nor ever will require “funding.” I am a working journalist- just ‘google’ me.
I have written only the one book, 'The Sunshine Special, FDR's 1939 Lincoln K Series Presidential Limousine which is only available as a downloadable pdf or for reading at The Benson Ford Research Centre online at The Henry Ford museum in Dearborn, Michigan.
As far as the book? I have 15+ linear feet of research materials on the subject gathered over the past 10 years or so, and the truth is that the Remeum really only is about two chapters worth given the larger context of the subject matter which is Remey himself.
For the trolls? Look there will always be the troll contingent on any publicly accessible website and the Fairfax Underground is most certainly no exception to that. I’m am unconcerned about the veracity of what I have written as I’ve done my due diligence and research. I’d also like to thank the various folks who have reached out to me over the years from the FFU who contributed their time and memories of ‘the crypts.’
As far as this thread? I’d love to one day meet Mister Alan Rogers and congratulate him on sparking a fascinating look into an urban legend that was a proverbial onion with so many complex layers.
Be well all
Brody Levesque
Producer, RATED LGBT RADIO, Los Angeles, Calif.
Political Correspondent, The New Civil Rights Magazine/Raw Story, New York, New York
Staff Writer, The Los Angeles Blade, Los Angeles, Calif.
Email: theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/05/2020 11:52AM by Brody Levesque.
San Francisco, California
Dear Folks,
I revisited the Fairfax Underground today out of idle curiosity to see if the Remeum thread had been active, at least since I spoke with my journalistic colleague John Kelly at The Washington Post a year ago.
Unsurprisingly it has been active as there remains a keen interest in the story, actually stories- about the place that two generations of Northern Virginia's adolescents labeled ‘The Crypts.’
I see that there remains debate over the complex and since I have devoted nearly 11 years on and off researching, interviewing, and collecting materials about not only the Remeum but the incredible man who built it, Charles Mason Remey; I thought I’d address a couple of points that I noted continue to be raised.
First, yes he did in fact complete the complex. The cinder-block wall that you see in numerous pictures taken by the teens and young adults who have explored or partied in the Remeum’s entrance way or vestibule (narthex) from the atrium is a plug if you will to the complex beyond. In accordance with the settlement and ruling in the lawsuit filed in the United States District Court Eastern District of Virginia, Alexandria, Virginia; (Truro Parish v. Charles Mason Remey- 1968), Remey had appointed his brother-in-law, Rear Admiral John Remey Wadleigh his representative, tasking him with executing the provisions of the final settlement and ruling.
In an interview with the Admiral’s daughter, she told me that she couldn’t remember the reason that her father didn’t block the vestibule (narthex) entrance instead of where he ordered the wall built. But she did in fact remember seeing pictures of the rest of the complex in the late 1950’s or early 1960’s.
Her account and descriptions of the complex meshed with the an interview I had with the demolitions expert who had been hired by Shirley Contracting Corporation to do a feasibility study of an implosion-demo of the complex.
The stories of the ‘crypts’ and the various accounts of what folks remembered are faithful to each other in terms of descriptions of the elements contained within the vestibule (narthex) and in the earlier iterations the outer atrium areas.
Could access be gained now some 35+ years after the final demolition and back-fill? Possibly, but I highly doubt that the vestry of the Pohick Church would allow it. Incredibly enough, even after 3 plus decades the Remeum still remains a very sore subject with the church. That said, there are treasurable sculptures and artifacts that would very much have historic value if unearthed.
The book I have been working on and off for years now. I still am sadly unable to commit to the time it will take at the current moment to sit down and finish writing it. On that note- I was highly unamused in regards to the troll’s efforts to execute a ‘money-beg’ masquerading as me. I’ll reiterate that the book is being written as I get time and that I do not nor ever will require “funding.” I am a working journalist- just ‘google’ me.
I have written only the one book, 'The Sunshine Special, FDR's 1939 Lincoln K Series Presidential Limousine which is only available as a downloadable pdf or for reading at The Benson Ford Research Centre online at The Henry Ford museum in Dearborn, Michigan.
As far as the book? I have 15+ linear feet of research materials on the subject gathered over the past 10 years or so, and the truth is that the Remeum really only is about two chapters worth given the larger context of the subject matter which is Remey himself.
For the trolls? Look there will always be the troll contingent on any publicly accessible website and the Fairfax Underground is most certainly no exception to that. I’m am unconcerned about the veracity of what I have written as I’ve done my due diligence and research. I’d also like to thank the various folks who have reached out to me over the years from the FFU who contributed their time and memories of ‘the crypts.’
As far as this thread? I’d love to one day meet Mister Alan Rogers and congratulate him on sparking a fascinating look into an urban legend that was a proverbial onion with so many complex layers.
Be well all
Brody Levesque
Producer, RATED LGBT RADIO, Los Angeles, Calif.
Political Correspondent, The New Civil Rights Magazine/Raw Story, New York, New York
Staff Writer, The Los Angeles Blade, Los Angeles, Calif.
Email: theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/05/2020 11:52AM by Brody Levesque.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Thanks Brody
()
Date: May 04, 2020 09:26PM
Brody Levesque Wrote:
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> Sunday, May 3, 2020
>
> San Francisco, California
>
> Dear Folks,
>
> I revisited the Fairfax Underground today out of
> idle curiosity to see if the Remeum thread had
> been active, at least since I spoke with my
> journalistic colleague John Kelly at The
> Washington Post a year ago...
Any other pictures that aren't here or information that you can post would be great.
In particular, would you have a picture of the main gate?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sunday, May 3, 2020
>
> San Francisco, California
>
> Dear Folks,
>
> I revisited the Fairfax Underground today out of
> idle curiosity to see if the Remeum thread had
> been active, at least since I spoke with my
> journalistic colleague John Kelly at The
> Washington Post a year ago...
Any other pictures that aren't here or information that you can post would be great.
In particular, would you have a picture of the main gate?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
What We Want to Know
()
Date: May 04, 2020 09:54PM
Are details of JFKs SS detail about the "Queen Mary" WE already know all about SS 100 X in fact someone in Virginia has that license plate number see on I 95 in Northern Va one time, they were not fooling anyone here BTW with that tag LOL
FDR's car was similar to the "Queen Mary" but the QM was a caddy that carried a AR-15 in a arms locker even in 1963 wow !
My God ! What a brave man used his real name here on FXU !
PS Can you add the place the SS detail had drinks bragging as bad ass jet setters with their guns and badges and how many drinks did they have the night before JFK was shot and their estimated reaction times the next day at 12:30 Pm as the Lincoln made the turn in front of the Texas School Book Depository
FDR's car was similar to the "Queen Mary" but the QM was a caddy that carried a AR-15 in a arms locker even in 1963 wow !
My God ! What a brave man used his real name here on FXU !
PS Can you add the place the SS detail had drinks bragging as bad ass jet setters with their guns and badges and how many drinks did they have the night before JFK was shot and their estimated reaction times the next day at 12:30 Pm as the Lincoln made the turn in front of the Texas School Book Depository
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody Levesque
()
Date: May 05, 2020 11:51AM
May 5, 2020
San Francisco, Calif.
Re: Thanks Brody
First off, you're welcome. I have never run across pictures of the three sets of gates and the doors that were installed at the entrance to the narthex.
That said, based on the architectural renderings, the construction blueprints, and Remey's own written descriptions I can relay the following.
The outer gate set which led to the garden, which included the obelisk was constructed of Iron bars welded together and was not a solid gated entryway. There were two more similar gates. One set at the entrance to the atrium and then one final set to the entrance of the narthex which in fact also had a solid double door set, solidly made of heavy steel with a bronze veneer.
It is entirely possible that pictures do exist- it's just I have yet to encounter them.
To the poster asking about the 1961 Lincoln presidential parade car. My book covered the White House Garage operations from the Theodore Roosevelt administration to the death of FDR with a brief follow-up on the Truman use of the fleet. I know the history of the construction & use of the 61 Lincoln including its rebuild in the aftermath of Dallas, but given that my book was concentrating on the first presidential limousine built to Secret Service requirements expressly for presidential use- that and the highly controversial nature of that particular incident I've opted to not include it or the other limos past the Truman era.
Hope this answered your questions. I'll pop in again at some point.
Be well all
Brody Levesque
Producer, RATED LGBT RADIO, Los Angeles, Calif.
Political Correspondent, The New Civil Rights Magazine/Raw Story, New York, New York
Staff Writer, The Los Angeles Blade, Los Angeles, Calif.
Email: theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/05/2020 11:53AM by Brody Levesque.
San Francisco, Calif.
Re: Thanks Brody
First off, you're welcome. I have never run across pictures of the three sets of gates and the doors that were installed at the entrance to the narthex.
That said, based on the architectural renderings, the construction blueprints, and Remey's own written descriptions I can relay the following.
The outer gate set which led to the garden, which included the obelisk was constructed of Iron bars welded together and was not a solid gated entryway. There were two more similar gates. One set at the entrance to the atrium and then one final set to the entrance of the narthex which in fact also had a solid double door set, solidly made of heavy steel with a bronze veneer.
It is entirely possible that pictures do exist- it's just I have yet to encounter them.
To the poster asking about the 1961 Lincoln presidential parade car. My book covered the White House Garage operations from the Theodore Roosevelt administration to the death of FDR with a brief follow-up on the Truman use of the fleet. I know the history of the construction & use of the 61 Lincoln including its rebuild in the aftermath of Dallas, but given that my book was concentrating on the first presidential limousine built to Secret Service requirements expressly for presidential use- that and the highly controversial nature of that particular incident I've opted to not include it or the other limos past the Truman era.
Hope this answered your questions. I'll pop in again at some point.
Be well all
Brody Levesque
Producer, RATED LGBT RADIO, Los Angeles, Calif.
Political Correspondent, The New Civil Rights Magazine/Raw Story, New York, New York
Staff Writer, The Los Angeles Blade, Los Angeles, Calif.
Email: theroadtraveler@gmail.com
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/05/2020 11:53AM by Brody Levesque.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ben Dere
()
Date: May 05, 2020 04:11PM
Brody Levesque Wrote:
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>
> The outer gate set which led to the garden, which
> included the obelisk was constructed of Iron bars
> welded together and was not a solid gated
> entryway.
Yes, it was a tall iron bar gate. I remember that well.
Basically looked just like something that you'd imagine at the entrance to a cemetery. Arched at the center as I recall it.
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>
> The outer gate set which led to the garden, which
> included the obelisk was constructed of Iron bars
> welded together and was not a solid gated
> entryway.
Yes, it was a tall iron bar gate. I remember that well.
Basically looked just like something that you'd imagine at the entrance to a cemetery. Arched at the center as I recall it.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ben Dere
()
Date: May 05, 2020 05:13PM
Forgot to mention...
Looking back through the pictures in the thread, you can see some of the gate positioned at the entrance to the Entrance Chamber. The ornate interior is mostly busted up but can see what it looked like and the frame is in place :
.
Also looking beyond that the other side of the hole made at the Narthex which has been concreted up.
I believe that they may have at some point used some of the metal gate material from some location to try block the entrance hole as shown in the "91" picture from the inside. I remember from at least one visit over the period of time that I was going there being some sort of ornate metal that had been bent and twisted away as you'd go through that hole.
Looking back through the pictures in the thread, you can see some of the gate positioned at the entrance to the Entrance Chamber. The ornate interior is mostly busted up but can see what it looked like and the frame is in place :
.Also looking beyond that the other side of the hole made at the Narthex which has been concreted up.
I believe that they may have at some point used some of the metal gate material from some location to try block the entrance hole as shown in the "91" picture from the inside. I remember from at least one visit over the period of time that I was going there being some sort of ornate metal that had been bent and twisted away as you'd go through that hole.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Last Red Eyed SS Man
()
Date: May 05, 2020 06:03PM
Hic ! I don't remember how many drinks, it was a bunch we really wowed the Texas barmaids , old man Greer should have stood on the throttle as soon as the first shot went out and swerved, some young hillbilly nicknamed DAJAX was about to be given the job as driver he was as sharp as a razor could handle the car like Richard Petty but he smelled of cheap beer from some dive joint that am and had not shaved
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K rona
()
Date: May 05, 2020 09:25PM
Ben Dere Wrote:
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> Looking back through the pictures in the thread,
> you can see some of the gate positioned at the
> entrance to the Entrance Chamber. The ornate
> interior is mostly busted up but can see what it
> looked like and the frame is in place :
I never noticed the ornate parts before. The gate is still attached to the wall and the half on the right is swung open. It looks to have a solid post in the middle with parts that swing on both sides. I wonder where the solid doors were as you would think the metal one would come before it, but it doesn't look like anything was attached on the wall in the immediate vicinity.
I also wonder when that brick wall was installed that had been busted through as the Inner Atrium walkway looks to be in great shape as does everything else. Seems to me I read something about when it was installed... something about it being two bricks thick.
And what were those kids trying to bust into in that newspaper article? The arrow in that photo is quite a distance from the entrance (which was between the two lions in the center of the pic). You would think they would have found dirt behind the wall in that area. And the lions seem to be way higher off the ground as compared to the hole in the brick wall pic. And what were all those stone slabs doing laying around in 1956? Everything should have been all done by that time as Remey wrote his "Afterward" paper in 54. A lot of strange things in that photo.
It's strange that there are no photos available of the large interior part that was beyond the cement block wall. Remey didn't even put any in his papers, except the sarcophagus of Gertrude.
Does anyone know in which room was Remey's large sarcophagus seen in a lot of pics? I'm assuming it was in either the Mason or Remey Chapel.
> I believe that they may have at some point used
> some of the metal gate material from some location
> to try block the entrance hole as shown in the
> "91" picture from the inside. I remember from at
> least one visit over the period of time that I was
> going there being some sort of ornate metal that
> had been bent and twisted away as you'd go through
> that hole.
I bet the metal came from the gate in the Atrium archway. In the "73" pic of that arch, it looks like it was the same type of gate as the Entrance chamber, with a post in the middle separating two halves.
Attachments:
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> Looking back through the pictures in the thread,
> you can see some of the gate positioned at the
> entrance to the Entrance Chamber. The ornate
> interior is mostly busted up but can see what it
> looked like and the frame is in place :
I never noticed the ornate parts before. The gate is still attached to the wall and the half on the right is swung open. It looks to have a solid post in the middle with parts that swing on both sides. I wonder where the solid doors were as you would think the metal one would come before it, but it doesn't look like anything was attached on the wall in the immediate vicinity.
I also wonder when that brick wall was installed that had been busted through as the Inner Atrium walkway looks to be in great shape as does everything else. Seems to me I read something about when it was installed... something about it being two bricks thick.
And what were those kids trying to bust into in that newspaper article? The arrow in that photo is quite a distance from the entrance (which was between the two lions in the center of the pic). You would think they would have found dirt behind the wall in that area. And the lions seem to be way higher off the ground as compared to the hole in the brick wall pic. And what were all those stone slabs doing laying around in 1956? Everything should have been all done by that time as Remey wrote his "Afterward" paper in 54. A lot of strange things in that photo.
It's strange that there are no photos available of the large interior part that was beyond the cement block wall. Remey didn't even put any in his papers, except the sarcophagus of Gertrude.
Does anyone know in which room was Remey's large sarcophagus seen in a lot of pics? I'm assuming it was in either the Mason or Remey Chapel.
> I believe that they may have at some point used
> some of the metal gate material from some location
> to try block the entrance hole as shown in the
> "91" picture from the inside. I remember from at
> least one visit over the period of time that I was
> going there being some sort of ornate metal that
> had been bent and twisted away as you'd go through
> that hole.
I bet the metal came from the gate in the Atrium archway. In the "73" pic of that arch, it looks like it was the same type of gate as the Entrance chamber, with a post in the middle separating two halves.
Attachments:
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ben Dere
()
Date: May 05, 2020 10:34PM
K rona Wrote:
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>
> I never noticed the ornate parts before. The gate
> is still attached to the wall and the half on the
> right is swung open. It looks to have a solid post
> in the middle with parts that swing on both sides.
> I wonder where the solid doors were as you would
> think the metal one would come before it, but it
> doesn't look like anything was attached on the
> wall in the immediate vicinity.
Look closely at the top left of that center post. It's attached to the left-hand side gate, not a separate post.
Agree re doors and not seeing any obvious location. Not sure where they would have been.
> I also wonder when that brick wall was installed
> that had been busted through as the Inner Atrium
> walkway looks to be in great shape as does
> everything else. Seems to me I read something
> about when it was installed... something about it
> being two bricks thick.
See the 1973 article below.
> And what were those kids trying to bust into in
> that newspaper article? The arrow in that photo is
> quite a distance from the entrance (which was
> between the two lions in the center of the pic).
> You would think they would have found dirt behind
> the wall in that area. And the lions seem to be
> way higher off the ground as compared to the hole
> in the brick wall pic. And what were all those
> stone slabs doing laying around in 1956?
> Everything should have been all done by that time
> as Remey wrote his "Afterward" paper in 54. A lot
> of strange things in that photo.
Posting again for easy reference.
.
I don't think that the drawing is all that precise. Probably not solid there where there's a slanting going into the Entrance and possibly not slanted at all but rather squared with some form of adjacent walls? Still an odd place for a hole. You'd think if they were going to make one there they would have at least picked under the next closer arch. *shrug*
Posted again for easy reference:
No idea about the materials, etc.
> Does anyone know in which room was Remey's large
> sarcophagus seen in a lot of pics? I'm assuming it
> was in either the Mason or Remey Chapel.
I remember seeing it because the death date was blank. Don't recall now exactly where it was.
I believe that the statue of him and his wife was in the center area of the Entrance Chamber just beyond where you crawled through (as also noted in the article below). I also kind of remember that there was a wooden coffin with what were at one time glass walls (broken out when I saw it) in that same area. Or maybe if not an actual coffin maybe one intended for a viewing in that same central area. It says that his and hers were together in a room so I'd guess probably on the Remey side.
It also mentions the 3-brick thick wall that was broken through that you mentioned above so must have been prior to the 1973 date of the article:
.
They obviously didn't end up leveling the place as stated in the article.
> I bet the metal came from the gate in the Atrium
> archway. In the "73" pic of that arch, it looks
> like it was the same type of gate as the Entrance
> chamber, with a post in the middle separating two
> halves.
Possibly so. 91 would have been long after I was there. 73 would have been about right for later visits.
Where is the "73" pic? Not sure that I've seen that one.
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>
> I never noticed the ornate parts before. The gate
> is still attached to the wall and the half on the
> right is swung open. It looks to have a solid post
> in the middle with parts that swing on both sides.
> I wonder where the solid doors were as you would
> think the metal one would come before it, but it
> doesn't look like anything was attached on the
> wall in the immediate vicinity.
Look closely at the top left of that center post. It's attached to the left-hand side gate, not a separate post.
Agree re doors and not seeing any obvious location. Not sure where they would have been.
> I also wonder when that brick wall was installed
> that had been busted through as the Inner Atrium
> walkway looks to be in great shape as does
> everything else. Seems to me I read something
> about when it was installed... something about it
> being two bricks thick.
See the 1973 article below.
> And what were those kids trying to bust into in
> that newspaper article? The arrow in that photo is
> quite a distance from the entrance (which was
> between the two lions in the center of the pic).
> You would think they would have found dirt behind
> the wall in that area. And the lions seem to be
> way higher off the ground as compared to the hole
> in the brick wall pic. And what were all those
> stone slabs doing laying around in 1956?
> Everything should have been all done by that time
> as Remey wrote his "Afterward" paper in 54. A lot
> of strange things in that photo.
Posting again for easy reference.
. I don't think that the drawing is all that precise. Probably not solid there where there's a slanting going into the Entrance and possibly not slanted at all but rather squared with some form of adjacent walls? Still an odd place for a hole. You'd think if they were going to make one there they would have at least picked under the next closer arch. *shrug*
Posted again for easy reference:
No idea about the materials, etc.
> Does anyone know in which room was Remey's large
> sarcophagus seen in a lot of pics? I'm assuming it
> was in either the Mason or Remey Chapel.
I remember seeing it because the death date was blank. Don't recall now exactly where it was.
I believe that the statue of him and his wife was in the center area of the Entrance Chamber just beyond where you crawled through (as also noted in the article below). I also kind of remember that there was a wooden coffin with what were at one time glass walls (broken out when I saw it) in that same area. Or maybe if not an actual coffin maybe one intended for a viewing in that same central area. It says that his and hers were together in a room so I'd guess probably on the Remey side.
It also mentions the 3-brick thick wall that was broken through that you mentioned above so must have been prior to the 1973 date of the article:
.They obviously didn't end up leveling the place as stated in the article.
> I bet the metal came from the gate in the Atrium
> archway. In the "73" pic of that arch, it looks
> like it was the same type of gate as the Entrance
> chamber, with a post in the middle separating two
> halves.
Possibly so. 91 would have been long after I was there. 73 would have been about right for later visits.
Where is the "73" pic? Not sure that I've seen that one.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ben Dere
()
Date: May 05, 2020 10:46PM
Adding pic of Remey sarcophagus to save scrolling back.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K rona
()
Date: May 06, 2020 03:28PM
Ben Dere Wrote:
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> Possibly so. 91 would have been long after I was
> there. 73 would have been about right for later
> visits.
>
> Where is the "73" pic? Not sure that I've seen
> that one.
This is the 73 pic. I call it that because that's the date on the left side. If I recall, some stores used to print the date that the film was developed on the pic. The filename someone gave the pic (probably whoever took it) is "Crypts 1972" so it was likely taken in 72 and probably late in the year around the holidays the way it looks. It is the only pic that I'm aware the shows the wall around the main courtyard. And it looks like a metal gate can be seen in the Atrium archway.
My understanding is that the complex has looked the same as present day since about 83 or 84, and that the dirt was pushed against the underground entrance in 73 or 74 leaving the small hole to crawl through. Thus, people would have crawled through that hole for about ten years before it finally was covered over.
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> Possibly so. 91 would have been long after I was
> there. 73 would have been about right for later
> visits.
>
> Where is the "73" pic? Not sure that I've seen
> that one.
This is the 73 pic. I call it that because that's the date on the left side. If I recall, some stores used to print the date that the film was developed on the pic. The filename someone gave the pic (probably whoever took it) is "Crypts 1972" so it was likely taken in 72 and probably late in the year around the holidays the way it looks. It is the only pic that I'm aware the shows the wall around the main courtyard. And it looks like a metal gate can be seen in the Atrium archway.
My understanding is that the complex has looked the same as present day since about 83 or 84, and that the dirt was pushed against the underground entrance in 73 or 74 leaving the small hole to crawl through. Thus, people would have crawled through that hole for about ten years before it finally was covered over.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K rona
()
Date: May 06, 2020 03:33PM
Also, that may be the shadow from the obelisk in the lower right corner of that pic, as don't know what else it could be.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Wanna-Go-Back
()
Date: May 10, 2020 12:29PM
I went to the crypt in ‘79 to early 80’s and I still have a fascination with the place. I’d give anything to go back there and see if there is a way in. I do remember sneaking through the woods, we heard stories about a caretaker with no legs that had a German Shepard and he would watch out for trespassers. We would sneak in that hole and climb down on the coffin lid. That beheaded sculpture was terrifying, someone had dumped red paint over it so it looked like blood. I remember the vaults but someone had told me they were crematorium vaults which I see was wrong. They were massive! I can still remember every inch of the place and how pitch black it was. I wonder when the last time it was entered? I wonder when I will ever have another chance to go in. What an amazing place!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
I can answer that one
()
Date: May 10, 2020 01:23PM
Wanna-Go-Back Wrote:
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> ...I wonder when I will ever have another chance to go in
Never.
It was a place in time.
Never to be again.
And better that way as a legend.
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> ...I wonder when I will ever have another chance to go in
Never.
It was a place in time.
Never to be again.
And better that way as a legend.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Wanna-Go-Back
()
Date: May 20, 2020 12:07AM
Yes, you are right. Plus some things are better left back in the memories... fun times, great people and the legend of the crypts! :-)
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
elle
()
Date: May 21, 2020 06:23PM
heading there saturday with a few friends to see whatever's left of this place will update later
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Beware of their Ghosts
()
Date: May 21, 2020 09:23PM
Mr and Mrs Remey
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
You've been warned
()
Date: May 22, 2020 12:07PM
elle Wrote:
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> heading there saturday with a few friends to see
> whatever's left of this place will update later
If you go watch out for the old church caretaker who watches over the place. It's not like he can catch you as he drags one leg and moves very slowly. Your main concern is that he has about 7 or 8 full size Doberman Pinchers. They don't normally run loose out side. But he has been known to unleash them on trespassers visiting the Crypt.
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> heading there saturday with a few friends to see
> whatever's left of this place will update later
If you go watch out for the old church caretaker who watches over the place. It's not like he can catch you as he drags one leg and moves very slowly. Your main concern is that he has about 7 or 8 full size Doberman Pinchers. They don't normally run loose out side. But he has been known to unleash them on trespassers visiting the Crypt.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Why?
()
Date: May 22, 2020 04:49PM
Beware of their Ghosts Wrote:
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> Mr and Mrs Remey
This story is so sad. A man simply wanted to create a lasting tomb to celebrate his family. And it was destroyed, over and over by vandals. Why?
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> Mr and Mrs Remey
This story is so sad. A man simply wanted to create a lasting tomb to celebrate his family. And it was destroyed, over and over by vandals. Why?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
jydtiytdkdydktd
()
Date: May 22, 2020 07:13PM
because it is fucking stupid to have a bazillion dollar grave
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
elle
()
Date: May 23, 2020 10:25AM
we’re in the woods now, does anyone have the coordinates?
also thank you for the warning about the grounds keeper, but i dont think i’ll have to worry, i have a doberman at home.
also thank you for the warning about the grounds keeper, but i dont think i’ll have to worry, i have a doberman at home.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Mr. Burns
()
Date: May 23, 2020 10:30AM
Smithers, release the hounds!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
elle
()
Date: May 23, 2020 05:34PM
so we walked around the woods for a while, didn’t see anything. we tried going to a coordinates that we found that was supposed to lead to the crypt and it just looped us back around to the church. we looked online later and there were a few sites (idk which ones i wasn’t the one looking at them) and the church completely bulldozed any way inside.
there was no set path leading anywhere around the edge of the woods by the church, so i think the source saying that the site was bulldozed was correct.
there was no set path leading anywhere around the edge of the woods by the church, so i think the source saying that the site was bulldozed was correct.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Not His Name
()
Date: May 23, 2020 11:41PM
>Smithers, release the hounds!
Its DAJAX
Its DAJAX
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
So Did You
()
Date: May 23, 2020 11:42PM
Think to look at Google Maps on satellite view by chance like ten thousand others on FXU have done
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
If You Did
()
Date: May 23, 2020 11:49PM
You would see its 800 feet directly in line with Pohick Road and Rt 1
Remey Tomb .. And the "hours may differ due to COVID 19 " !
Remey Tomb .. And the "hours may differ due to COVID 19 " !
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Maybe, Probably Not
()
Date: May 24, 2020 06:13AM
elle Wrote:
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> so i think the
> source saying that the site was bulldozed was
> correct.
FIFY. So you (cough) went out there, didnt take any pictures and walked in a loop because you didn't think to look at Google Maps? Mkay...
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> so i think the
> source saying that the site was bulldozed was
> correct.
FIFY. So you (cough) went out there, didnt take any pictures and walked in a loop because you didn't think to look at Google Maps? Mkay...
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K rona
()
Date: June 14, 2020 07:54PM
I had a little more time to go over some of the photos. Nobody likely cares,but I never noticed how spectacular the Inner Atrium must have been to stand in. I couldn't place where the first pic below (labeled "A") belonged as I knew there were arches with side support columns on either side of the underground entrance because of numerous photos of the entrance.
But there were only two arches and one support column on each side of the underground entrance until where the Inner Atrium wall joined. This pic shows at least five arches.
Then I noticed on Remey's drawing of the Inner Atrium that it indicated one support column (for the arch) on either side of the underground entrance just like the pics show.The drawing also shows five or six columns on the Inner Atrium side walls. Thus, these columns and arches surrounded the entire Inner Atrium area, with a little walkway between the columns and outer walls.
I've tried labeling the different areas depicted in the photos to those on Remey's drawing and hope it's correct. I think I find the outside area more fascinating than the underground part. Especially, when I figure out where Remey put the secret entrance... just kidding... kinda.
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But there were only two arches and one support column on each side of the underground entrance until where the Inner Atrium wall joined. This pic shows at least five arches.
Then I noticed on Remey's drawing of the Inner Atrium that it indicated one support column (for the arch) on either side of the underground entrance just like the pics show.The drawing also shows five or six columns on the Inner Atrium side walls. Thus, these columns and arches surrounded the entire Inner Atrium area, with a little walkway between the columns and outer walls.
I've tried labeling the different areas depicted in the photos to those on Remey's drawing and hope it's correct. I think I find the outside area more fascinating than the underground part. Especially, when I figure out where Remey put the secret entrance... just kidding... kinda.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
It would suck to be you
()
Date: June 14, 2020 09:26PM
jydtiytdkdydktd Wrote:
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> because it is fucking stupid to have a bazillion
> dollar grave
Name calling? I’ll bet your a really nice person. You’re just angry that you’ll end up in a pine box and be quickly forgotten.
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> because it is fucking stupid to have a bazillion
> dollar grave
Name calling? I’ll bet your a really nice person. You’re just angry that you’ll end up in a pine box and be quickly forgotten.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Testing Testing
()
Date: June 24, 2020 12:16AM
One two
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Bride of Chucky
()
Date: June 30, 2020 05:10PM
Here are some new pics that I don't think these have been posted yet.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Chinaski
()
Date: July 13, 2020 04:00PM
Went to Edison H.S. in the '70s and visited the crypts several times. Mostly vague stoned and drunken memories. But I believe there were no dogs, it was a tape on a loop. Scary sounding tape, though, and also believed the playback was triggered by motion or sound sensors. We went to party and make ourselves believe in ghosts, but only partying occurred.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Brody
()
Date: July 13, 2020 04:18PM
Chinaski Wrote:
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> Went to Edison H.S. in the '70s and visited the
> crypts several times. Mostly vague stoned and
> drunken memories. But I believe there were no
> dogs, it was a tape on a loop. Scary sounding
> tape, though, and also believed the playback was
> triggered by motion or sound sensors. We went to
> party and make ourselves believe in ghosts, but
> only partying occurred.
It’s clear you never graduated high school Chinaski. Which fast food establishment employs you these days?
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> Went to Edison H.S. in the '70s and visited the
> crypts several times. Mostly vague stoned and
> drunken memories. But I believe there were no
> dogs, it was a tape on a loop. Scary sounding
> tape, though, and also believed the playback was
> triggered by motion or sound sensors. We went to
> party and make ourselves believe in ghosts, but
> only partying occurred.
It’s clear you never graduated high school Chinaski. Which fast food establishment employs you these days?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Chinaski
()
Date: July 13, 2020 05:35PM
Brody Wrote:
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> Chinaski Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Went to Edison H.S. in the '70s and visited the
> > crypts several times. Mostly vague stoned and
> > drunken memories. But I believe there were no
> > dogs, it was a tape on a loop. Scary sounding
> > tape, though, and also believed the playback
> was
> > triggered by motion or sound sensors. We went
> to
> > party and make ourselves believe in ghosts, but
> > only partying occurred.
>
> It’s clear you never graduated high school
> Chinaski. Which fast food establishment employs
> you these days?
Well, now you've hurt my feelings.
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> Chinaski Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Went to Edison H.S. in the '70s and visited the
> > crypts several times. Mostly vague stoned and
> > drunken memories. But I believe there were no
> > dogs, it was a tape on a loop. Scary sounding
> > tape, though, and also believed the playback
> was
> > triggered by motion or sound sensors. We went
> to
> > party and make ourselves believe in ghosts, but
> > only partying occurred.
>
> It’s clear you never graduated high school
> Chinaski. Which fast food establishment employs
> you these days?
Well, now you've hurt my feelings.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
2 Cents
()
Date: July 13, 2020 09:28PM
elle Wrote:
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> we’re in the woods now, does anyone have the
> coordinates?
>
> also thank you for the warning about the grounds
> keeper, but i dont think i’ll have to worry, i
> have a doberman at home.
Gotta love idiots like this. They cannot use the toilet without their cell phone.
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> we’re in the woods now, does anyone have the
> coordinates?
>
> also thank you for the warning about the grounds
> keeper, but i dont think i’ll have to worry, i
> have a doberman at home.
Gotta love idiots like this. They cannot use the toilet without their cell phone.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
The La Ti Da
()
Date: July 14, 2020 04:33PM
Brody,
We miss you, East of the clock not quite the Monster!
We miss you, East of the clock not quite the Monster!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K rona
()
Date: July 23, 2020 08:16PM
Bride of Chucky Wrote:
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> Here are some new pics that I don't think these
> have been posted yet.
Thanks for these new pics as they helped with my timeline. It seemed clear from all the prior posts that the dirt was pushed up and almost closed the underground entrance in the early 70s (as seen in the pic previously posted with the "91" painted at the entrance) and then it was left that way for about 10 years when it was completely covered as it exists today.
However, that didn't seem to make sense as the Inner Atrium walls appeared to be intact after 1973 and you couldn't push dirt up to the crypt entrance without going through those walls. The pic with the "Mar 73" date on the side likely was taken shortly before crypt entrance was partially closed with dirt and shows the main courtyard walls and everything else still entirely intact.
Meanwhile, a pic taken a few years later in almost the same spot shows the courtyard walls missing from where they were attached to the wall corners. (I first thought that these corners looked shabby due to vandalism until realizing they looked that way because the walls had been torn away). But the Inner Atrium walls also still seemed intact (even though the dirt had supposedly already been pushed to the crypt entrance by that time). Well, one of these new pics shows that they left the Inner Atrium walls intact except for one corner which they partially demolished to push the dirt to the entrance.
Why they didn't completely close the entrance at this time and left it that way allowing people to still enter the underground portion for 10 years baffles me. One person posted that the crew doing the work was scared away and refused to return. This is one part of the timeline that still makes no sense.
So, from these new pics, it's pretty clear that the likely outside destruction timeline is:
Sometime in 1973 (which was about when the "grace period" in the lawsuit ended) the main courtyard walls were demolished, and one corner of the Inner Atrium wall was breached where they entered to push dirt to the crypt entrance. Most of the Inner Atrium wall still remained along with the courtyard corners (that I have circled on the attached pics).
About 10 years later, in the early 80s, all the outside fixtures except the obelisk and two vents were destroyed, the entrance was covered, and it was landscaped as it appears today.
Of note, one of the new pics taken inside the Inner Atrium that looks back toward the obelisk gives a good view of the gate in the Inner Atrium arch that likely was very similar to the gate used at the underground crypt entrance. This gate looks to be undamaged, so it appears that before 1973 everyone had to climb over both the main courtyard wall and Inner Atrium wall before getting to the underground entrance.
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> Here are some new pics that I don't think these
> have been posted yet.
Thanks for these new pics as they helped with my timeline. It seemed clear from all the prior posts that the dirt was pushed up and almost closed the underground entrance in the early 70s (as seen in the pic previously posted with the "91" painted at the entrance) and then it was left that way for about 10 years when it was completely covered as it exists today.
However, that didn't seem to make sense as the Inner Atrium walls appeared to be intact after 1973 and you couldn't push dirt up to the crypt entrance without going through those walls. The pic with the "Mar 73" date on the side likely was taken shortly before crypt entrance was partially closed with dirt and shows the main courtyard walls and everything else still entirely intact.
Meanwhile, a pic taken a few years later in almost the same spot shows the courtyard walls missing from where they were attached to the wall corners. (I first thought that these corners looked shabby due to vandalism until realizing they looked that way because the walls had been torn away). But the Inner Atrium walls also still seemed intact (even though the dirt had supposedly already been pushed to the crypt entrance by that time). Well, one of these new pics shows that they left the Inner Atrium walls intact except for one corner which they partially demolished to push the dirt to the entrance.
Why they didn't completely close the entrance at this time and left it that way allowing people to still enter the underground portion for 10 years baffles me. One person posted that the crew doing the work was scared away and refused to return. This is one part of the timeline that still makes no sense.
So, from these new pics, it's pretty clear that the likely outside destruction timeline is:
Sometime in 1973 (which was about when the "grace period" in the lawsuit ended) the main courtyard walls were demolished, and one corner of the Inner Atrium wall was breached where they entered to push dirt to the crypt entrance. Most of the Inner Atrium wall still remained along with the courtyard corners (that I have circled on the attached pics).
About 10 years later, in the early 80s, all the outside fixtures except the obelisk and two vents were destroyed, the entrance was covered, and it was landscaped as it appears today.
Of note, one of the new pics taken inside the Inner Atrium that looks back toward the obelisk gives a good view of the gate in the Inner Atrium arch that likely was very similar to the gate used at the underground crypt entrance. This gate looks to be undamaged, so it appears that before 1973 everyone had to climb over both the main courtyard wall and Inner Atrium wall before getting to the underground entrance.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ben Dere
()
Date: July 23, 2020 08:56PM
K rona Wrote:
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> Of note, one of the new pics taken inside the
> Inner Atrium that looks back toward the obelisk
> gives a good view of the gate in the Inner Atrium
> arch that likely was very similar to the gate used
> at the underground crypt entrance. This gate looks
> to be undamaged, so it appears that before 1973
> everyone had to climb over both the main courtyard
> wall and Inner Atrium wall before getting to the
> underground entrance.
The usual way in then was to drop down the Inner Atrium wall right about at the corner where your red arrow is in the pic below. You'd come through the woods from the direction of Rt 1. The ground was about level with the top of the wall there. Someone had tied a thick rope in that corner that you could use to kind of rappel down and then back up when leaving.
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> Of note, one of the new pics taken inside the
> Inner Atrium that looks back toward the obelisk
> gives a good view of the gate in the Inner Atrium
> arch that likely was very similar to the gate used
> at the underground crypt entrance. This gate looks
> to be undamaged, so it appears that before 1973
> everyone had to climb over both the main courtyard
> wall and Inner Atrium wall before getting to the
> underground entrance.
The usual way in then was to drop down the Inner Atrium wall right about at the corner where your red arrow is in the pic below. You'd come through the woods from the direction of Rt 1. The ground was about level with the top of the wall there. Someone had tied a thick rope in that corner that you could use to kind of rappel down and then back up when leaving.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
K rona
()
Date: July 24, 2020 01:07AM
Ben Dere Wrote:
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>
> The usual way in then was to drop down the Inner
> Atrium wall right about at the corner where your
> red arrow is in the pic below. You'd come through
> the woods from the direction of Rt 1. The ground
> was about level with the top of the wall there.
> Someone had tied a thick rope in that corner that
> you could use to kind of rappel down and then back
> up when leaving.
Yeah, I noticed that area at ground level was a weak spot in the security of the entire complex where one could avoid both walls and just use a rope. One would think Remey was smart enough to know that, but the temple he planned to build above the underground portion likely was his plan to stop intruders there.
I forgot to repost the new pic where they entered through a part of the Inner Atrium wall to push the dirt to the entrance in the early 70s. Why they took down the main courtyard walls, but left the Inner Atrium walls standing is beyond me. And you would think the main purpose of all this was to seal off the underground portion so people couldn't enter anymore, but they didn't even do that. All they had to do was make a couple more passes with the dozer and pile up another 10 feet of dirt.... but they didn't. Doesn't make any sense.
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>
> The usual way in then was to drop down the Inner
> Atrium wall right about at the corner where your
> red arrow is in the pic below. You'd come through
> the woods from the direction of Rt 1. The ground
> was about level with the top of the wall there.
> Someone had tied a thick rope in that corner that
> you could use to kind of rappel down and then back
> up when leaving.
Yeah, I noticed that area at ground level was a weak spot in the security of the entire complex where one could avoid both walls and just use a rope. One would think Remey was smart enough to know that, but the temple he planned to build above the underground portion likely was his plan to stop intruders there.
I forgot to repost the new pic where they entered through a part of the Inner Atrium wall to push the dirt to the entrance in the early 70s. Why they took down the main courtyard walls, but left the Inner Atrium walls standing is beyond me. And you would think the main purpose of all this was to seal off the underground portion so people couldn't enter anymore, but they didn't even do that. All they had to do was make a couple more passes with the dozer and pile up another 10 feet of dirt.... but they didn't. Doesn't make any sense.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Ben Dere
()
Date: July 25, 2020 01:47AM
K rona Wrote:
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>
> Yeah, I noticed that area at ground level was a
> weak spot in the security of the entire complex
> where one could avoid both walls and just use a
> rope. One would think Remey was smart enough to
> know that, but the temple he planned to build
> above the underground portion likely was his plan
> to stop intruders there.
None of it really was built to stop intruders. Yeah, walls and a few gates here and there but it was all architectural/ornamental. I doubt that there was much if any anticipation of the attraction for kids or for security in the design.
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>
> Yeah, I noticed that area at ground level was a
> weak spot in the security of the entire complex
> where one could avoid both walls and just use a
> rope. One would think Remey was smart enough to
> know that, but the temple he planned to build
> above the underground portion likely was his plan
> to stop intruders there.
None of it really was built to stop intruders. Yeah, walls and a few gates here and there but it was all architectural/ornamental. I doubt that there was much if any anticipation of the attraction for kids or for security in the design.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
BUMPERREPMUB
()
Date: November 04, 2020 11:40AM
BUMP
Any security from the church anymore?
Any security from the church anymore?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Lou Reed
()
Date: December 31, 2020 06:35PM
Any updates on the site?
Pics from ten years ago appear to be digging towards the door.
Reminds me of the old Greek caqs and structures from the classic era, all defaced and in ruins. Probably met the same fate as this place.
Pics from ten years ago appear to be digging towards the door.
Reminds me of the old Greek caqs and structures from the classic era, all defaced and in ruins. Probably met the same fate as this place.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
PewPew
()
Date: January 01, 2021 07:22PM
Interesting read...thanks, all.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Nina
()
Date: April 15, 2021 02:38AM
I wonder if the church has plans to uncover the remains for future generations to witness and possibly convert it into a museum? (In the future, that’s why they’re preserving it for now)
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Tab
()
Date: June 14, 2021 10:55PM
Nina Wrote:
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> I wonder if the church has plans to uncover the
> remains for future generations to witness and
> possibly convert it into a museum? (In the future,
> that’s why they’re preserving it for now)
The chances are nil.The church seems to want nothing to do with it and wants it forgotten as Remey's religion was not to their liking. And accounts indicate that cremated remains were desecrated and scattered about so it's a burial site. The only way something would happen is if the church sold the land, which is not likely to happen.
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> I wonder if the church has plans to uncover the
> remains for future generations to witness and
> possibly convert it into a museum? (In the future,
> that’s why they’re preserving it for now)
The chances are nil.The church seems to want nothing to do with it and wants it forgotten as Remey's religion was not to their liking. And accounts indicate that cremated remains were desecrated and scattered about so it's a burial site. The only way something would happen is if the church sold the land, which is not likely to happen.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
John Threadwhistle
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Date: October 30, 2021 07:44PM
I think I have figured out a new way in. Who is up for a Halloween meet up / exploration?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
UrbanXr
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Date: October 30, 2021 08:51PM
No gay stuff, right?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Jeff Wyatt
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Date: December 14, 2021 02:29AM
the last time I remeber entering the crypts underground portion was late 1981 or early 1982. My family moved to Springfield in 1973 and had skulked about as kids...the old Nike "rings of fire" silos...crypts, portions of the Lorton Prison facility that were rich with Civil war and revolutionary war relics, etc.
Briefly I worked at the NPS office of the National Register of Historic Places on a document collection archival stablization project and ended up manning the Public Information Outreach desk. I would answer requests for copies of registries and had to read them and redact location information on sites deemed sensitive mostly Native archaelogical sites. I remember being amazed the the listing document for the Pohick church did not mention the "crypts" which I knew existed having been in them right up to their demo/burial. I had always been angered that people had desecrated this site out of ignorance and stupidity. This is a cool remebrance of an amzing tribute to this mans family. While still working that position the post WW2 sites came eligible and were submitted and it amazed me and a good friend who was the historian assigned to review Virginia assest as the submissions were approved for inclusion by the Virginia State Historic Preservation Office.
I have been to the site and entered the Remeum probably 1/2 a dozen times and it was definitely an eerie place made worse by the bikers who frequented the site. If you are from the area you know the club I am referring to. A shame this has not been submitted to the Register or if it was for some odd reason it was rejected. From the pictures, blueprints, and historic information revealed in this forum I would think a successful submission could be filed. I taught NHPA responsibilities to Federal Historic Preservation officers and would be glad to work with anyone who wants to file the 10-300 Nomination form for inclusion in the registry.
Briefly I worked at the NPS office of the National Register of Historic Places on a document collection archival stablization project and ended up manning the Public Information Outreach desk. I would answer requests for copies of registries and had to read them and redact location information on sites deemed sensitive mostly Native archaelogical sites. I remember being amazed the the listing document for the Pohick church did not mention the "crypts" which I knew existed having been in them right up to their demo/burial. I had always been angered that people had desecrated this site out of ignorance and stupidity. This is a cool remebrance of an amzing tribute to this mans family. While still working that position the post WW2 sites came eligible and were submitted and it amazed me and a good friend who was the historian assigned to review Virginia assest as the submissions were approved for inclusion by the Virginia State Historic Preservation Office.
I have been to the site and entered the Remeum probably 1/2 a dozen times and it was definitely an eerie place made worse by the bikers who frequented the site. If you are from the area you know the club I am referring to. A shame this has not been submitted to the Register or if it was for some odd reason it was rejected. From the pictures, blueprints, and historic information revealed in this forum I would think a successful submission could be filed. I taught NHPA responsibilities to Federal Historic Preservation officers and would be glad to work with anyone who wants to file the 10-300 Nomination form for inclusion in the registry.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Humble Adventurer
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Date: December 29, 2021 09:41PM
Bumping this thread as it is the only amazing thread of historical significance on this bastard website
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
cebolla marrón
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Date: December 29, 2021 10:02PM
How are your bowels?
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
45yh4556u545
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Date: December 29, 2021 10:23PM
Gerrymanderer2 (G2, the OP original poster or spammer just above, perhaps both) posts several lies on ffu daily - many think he's a fx co gov worker who is getting paid to do it for false DNC democrat "advertising". He floods ffu with useless posts to bump down major news, demoralize americans. G2 posts fecal matter, mutilated bodies, child porn, foreign drug ads and sneaker ads, tells people to kill themselves and government should seize them and put them on psych pills in prison without a trial - decided by DNC democrats gov workers, promotes kangaroo courthouse trials, gives anti-religious rants, gives satanic ritual rants, posts black males with large dicks on white young females, portends white low birth rate and fall of USA whites, suggestive of food tampering/poisoning to solve the white problem, and anything possible to demoralize any americans on ffu - all of which are fake news he never responds to proofs it is fake. (perhaps g2 is a chinese prisoner or isis member - but definitely knowledgeable of fx co gov from the inside at times). The website operator has told him "not to post or return" (in an existing post by the sysop): not because of a political leaning but for continual illegal and gross spam along with messages that are only to demoralize if not kill others. G2 plays at financial terrorism as well; continually reporting fake and false financial data. G2 fakes emergency pleas to deaden the real response to any real one - like a devil. G2 continually spams FFU - which all users complain of: it is a real DoS attack - the attacks are not just topic bumps but designed to inject key words to kill ffu and google search results. G2 continually promotes drug use, alcoholic experimentation, and tries to convince members to meet hookers using photos from the 1990's (i doubt any that did are not arrested or dead). G2 continually posts racist posts and gay posts egging others to comment - then attacks who does - AND RECORDS IT (likely for political extortion). G2 and dems MONITOR AND RECORD* "conservatives who blast out these democrat lies and illegal abuse of telephone privilege (sometimes in a raw manner, being so jaded by the job)" (users who object to G2's actions listed so far). One ffu member discovered a south american country recording FFU databasing all posts in a non-chat database format - and when questioned - another member quickly said it was all coincidence and that this was done everywhere in the world on all sites: WHICH IS A LIE. Not all countries record the every word of what fairfaxians say on blogs. Extortion is also mentioned by G2. And the idea he's fishing for comments he can use against anyone who'd run for office is "just assume he's in that business" - and i've warned others that is what he fishes for - excuses to attack conservatives and or to extort them.
SOME POSTERS ON FFU FEEL G2 IS A JOKER: I ASSURE YOU THE ABOVE COMPLAINTS ARE GENUINELY A THREAT TO ONLOOKERS (THE UN-INTIATED), NON-DEMOCRATS, AND TO ANYONE STATING THAT LAWS SHOULD BE IMPOSED ON DEMOCRATS EQUALLY AS DEMOCRATS IMPOSE THEM ON OTHERS: MONEY
LEGAL NOTICE: DEMOCRATS HAVE `SWATTED' THE HOMES OF SOME FFU POSTS WHO REFUTE G2 AND CALL DEMS OUT ON THEFT AND LIES - AND EXPOSE THE LAWS THEY COULD BE PROSECUTED FOR BREACH OF TRUST. THAT'S A CONFIRMED WITNESSED FACT. IT IS NO JOKE WHAT G2 IS DOING. HIS CONTINUAL FISHING IS NOT IDLE - THEY ARE TRIGGERED AND ARMED. which i've warned others about since, about 2010 - that G2 is fishing for men to "erase" politically, by any means available to him
G2 has now been wimpering that anti-G2 posts are "unfair" and that users who protest G2 should be blocked, SWATTED (see above), and forced on medications (see above), and that "someone else is G2". However - do not let the vicious foreign attacker fool you into your death our out of your community: G2 has been active since exactly the beginning of 2017 "hillary has already won the election" set of lies and has only DOUBLED spam recently - yes the suicide taunting of others, false information, and all else listed above. He is not wimpering for help he has doubled the spam and vicious attacks (or they, communist/facist using federal money. I pinned him correctly when I began this warning post.
GO BACK TO HELL G2. YOU ARE EXPOSED.
DROP DEAD G2
SOME POSTERS ON FFU FEEL G2 IS A JOKER: I ASSURE YOU THE ABOVE COMPLAINTS ARE GENUINELY A THREAT TO ONLOOKERS (THE UN-INTIATED), NON-DEMOCRATS, AND TO ANYONE STATING THAT LAWS SHOULD BE IMPOSED ON DEMOCRATS EQUALLY AS DEMOCRATS IMPOSE THEM ON OTHERS: MONEY
LEGAL NOTICE: DEMOCRATS HAVE `SWATTED' THE HOMES OF SOME FFU POSTS WHO REFUTE G2 AND CALL DEMS OUT ON THEFT AND LIES - AND EXPOSE THE LAWS THEY COULD BE PROSECUTED FOR BREACH OF TRUST. THAT'S A CONFIRMED WITNESSED FACT. IT IS NO JOKE WHAT G2 IS DOING. HIS CONTINUAL FISHING IS NOT IDLE - THEY ARE TRIGGERED AND ARMED. which i've warned others about since, about 2010 - that G2 is fishing for men to "erase" politically, by any means available to him
G2 has now been wimpering that anti-G2 posts are "unfair" and that users who protest G2 should be blocked, SWATTED (see above), and forced on medications (see above), and that "someone else is G2". However - do not let the vicious foreign attacker fool you into your death our out of your community: G2 has been active since exactly the beginning of 2017 "hillary has already won the election" set of lies and has only DOUBLED spam recently - yes the suicide taunting of others, false information, and all else listed above. He is not wimpering for help he has doubled the spam and vicious attacks (or they, communist/facist using federal money. I pinned him correctly when I began this warning post.
GO BACK TO HELL G2. YOU ARE EXPOSED.
DROP DEAD G2
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Milling Through History
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Date: January 30, 2022 11:21PM
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Kim
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Date: May 05, 2022 06:03PM
Skipped school with friends and scaled the brick walls back in 1973. Lived across the Hwy. from the church. We saw that there was damage, mostly where firepits had been burned on party nights and graffiti on some walls. Past the lions into the inner atrium, which was pretty incredible to be in, there was broken glass but it looked like it was from a glass sided coffin and not bottles, and more graffiti. Walked further, to the left was a room for storage. the opposite side of the inner atrium, we were told, was the entrance to an underground cathedral. That's what we really wanted to see then. I remember there was an entrance to something in that room but it was partially caved in and we did not attempt entry. Back outside in the archway aisles we looked at the names and dates of the wall burial plaques. I remember Philip Chauncey Mason who died of scurvy, I think in the 1700's. The place was HUGE. There were 3 tall towers we were told were crematory stacks. IDK. Then there was the screaming. From the priest who found us. As we scrambled UP the wall to get out I said the priest, "but we can help you clean things up. We didn't break anything." He wasn't having it.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Steven Gillam
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Date: June 23, 2022 11:00AM
I would like to do a show on this Crypt it would get millions on hits on Youtube and its great new old history.
Steven Gillam
Steven Gillam
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
FFXroamer
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Date: August 09, 2022 09:04PM
I’m here I’m August of 2022 and I still hear stories about this place. Please if anyone sees this message please let me know if any of this is still accessible.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Crypt Keepa
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Date: August 09, 2022 09:17PM
You meddling kids need to stay away, or else!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Sean M
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Date: March 03, 2024 03:55PM
Hello everyone. I am a resident of those homes that were built and explored the back there. Currently there is not much left besides two small tomb structures. If anyone has more info I am very interested. I explored a bit more back there and there really is no remnants left. But if anyone wants to check back there again let me know as I have a home in the fence behind my residence and would gladly let you go back there.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Sean M
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Date: March 03, 2024 04:06PM
Oh yeah PS-
There is no security that I know of. Went back there a couple times and no one goes there considering there is currently a bunch of overgrowth.
There is no security that I know of. Went back there a couple times and no one goes there considering there is currently a bunch of overgrowth.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Sean M
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Date: March 19, 2024 11:32PM
In a further update, I can confirm the vents talked about previously are still there. I’ve gone back there quite a bit and no security as from
The church to the vents is overgrown.
The church to the vents is overgrown.
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Wescott
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Date: August 07, 2024 10:32PM
Someone, maybe a family member of Remey, planted this flag recently. The area is overgrown with thorns.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Pagan’s MC
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Date: August 07, 2024 10:44PM
Shout out to Brody!
Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by:
Wescott
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Date: August 08, 2024 12:58PM
I don't know how many people are active in this thread now, but me and some other people are gonna try and clear the area of the thorns, and dig around the vents to see a possible entrance.