I think all FCPS TEACHERS SHOULD BE ARMED WHY ARENT WHY?

because I don't want a goddamn gun in my classroom

why people seem to think that's an answer is beyond me

prop it up all you want, but there are plenty of teachers out there who like me don't want a gun in their classroom

All of my teachers have 2 arms.....

Obvious Asshole Wrote:
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> All of my teachers have 2 arms.....


I have three arms.

People watch to many movies.

Imagine teachers blasting away inside a crowded school..

Are we going to have friendly fire body counts as well.

Here's a thought ..at least one police officer at every school backed by school security guards. I know..that sounds so crazy.

Most teachers shouldn't be let anywhere near guns. In fact anyone who spends 7 hours a day having to deal with a bunch of kids shouldn't be let anywhere near guns.

>at least one police officer at every school backed by school security guards.

There was a cop in the Florida school in the other end of the school

Let CCW people carry in schools, its nothing but a piece of paper,criminals doesnt obey laws, people with the piece of paper do, anyone can bring a gun into a school. If a teacher gets a CCW they can carry also.

Stop the stupid liberal Democrat obstruction, get your heads out of either the sand or your asses and save some kids lives

When cowards know many people in a school may be legally armed they will not be shooting the school up

For CCW carry in a school with training on when and where to shoot or don't shoot so innocents don't get hit

School CCW endorsement Wrote:
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> For CCW carry in a school with training on when
> and where to shoot or don't shoot so innocents
> don't get hit


That's what the idiots in the WH said today. Have you seen what the average teachers look like..

He had to have note cards..what a fucking idiot.

I hear you.

School CCW endorsement Wrote:
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> For CCW carry in a school with training on when
> and where to shoot or don't shoot so innocents
> don't get hit


Can you imagine the liability insurance a teacher would have to have to carry a firearm in a school. Not going to happen. So a 6' 4" dude decides he is passed off one day and knocks out his 5' 2" female teacher and kills people with her gun. Who is going to pay out? No fucking way teachers unions or school systems open themselves up to this liability.

If we can't trust a teacher with a gun then how trustworthy is that teacher?

A crowbar is no match against a hell bent student with a gun. Sorry but it's not. Neither is a fire extinguisher.

We train in CPR and first aid to save lives but aren't allowed to use a fire arm to stop a killing machine who enters our school?

After all the stories we hear about cops shooting unarmed people in the heat of the moment I don’t think it would be wise to give teachers guns. I’d prefer my teachers to get trained on new teaching methods and resources rather than trying to give them training on identifying threats. I can’t believe people really think this is a logical option. There would be terrible results.

Lots of movie watchers here... who have no idea how this goes down in the real world.

If a teacher doesn't want a gun, they shouldn't have one. If you are scared of guns then by all means stay away from them and hide in your lil safe space and hope nothing bad happens to you.

For those teachers that do want a gun, they should go through a process, training and abide by a set of standards and rules for keeping the weapon inside the classroom. This can be done in a very safe and common sense manner. The kids would never know who has a gun and who doesn't - which is the entire point of deterrence.

Your liberal laws haven't deterred anyone. So your answer is to make more laws. If you are that dumb, it's probably good you only see the kids a few hours a day.

In 2015, American firearms manufacturers made 3,500,000 pistols.

Public schools in the U.S. = 100,000

10 guns per school = 1,000,000 guns

1,000,000 guns = 29% increase in firearms manufactured

1,000,000 guns X $400 purchase price = $400,000,000

Plus, training would, no doubt, be supplied by NRA-backed businesses (and likely firearms manufacturing companies or their subsidiaries).

1,000,000 guns X $1,000 per trainee = $100,000,000.

Total cost = half a BILLION dollars.

Are you going to pay for that?

Because having a gun in the situation is worse than not having a gun in the situation. Almost always.

"For those teachers that do want a gun, they should go through a process, training and abide by a set of standards and rules for keeping the weapon inside the classroom. This can be done in a very safe and common sense manner. The kids would never know who has a gun and who doesn't - which is the entire point of deterrence."

The kind of proper training goes far beyond what it would take to get a concealed weapons permit. It would also require maintenance training and it would require that higher ups regularly evaluate the teacher to insure it was still appropriate for that particular teacher to have and use a firearm in a school environment. Even with all of this there will be accidents. Plus if you think keeping it will stay a secret which teachers are armed, you are mistaken.

>I don’t think it would be wise to give teachers guns.

No ones saying teachers should be cops, or should be given guns , let people with CCW carry in the schools, most teachers wont. They will carry their own guns.

Democrats keep the status quo to keep kids getting killed by the knife or the gun or what ever they can get their hands on so they can keep on trying to get all the guns

>So a 6' 4" dude decides he is "passed" off one day and decides to knock out the 5' 2" female school cop to "kills" people with her gun. And she blows his brains out with her snubnose .38 backup as he grabs her holstered gun and fumbles with the safety

BTW Don't try that

>The kind of proper training goes far beyond what it would take to get a concealed weapons permit. It would also require maintenance training and it would require that higher ups regularly evaluate the teacher to insure it was still appropriate for that particular teacher to have and use a firearm in a school environment. Even with all of this there will be accidents. Plus if you think keeping it will stay a secret which teachers are armed, you are mistaken.

As you screw around with all that forever, a killer walks in the school with 2 concealed handguns like at Va Tech and does not give a shit about the lack of a CCW in his pocket and no one else in the school has a gun, just him, the result of your policy wonk logic

mpmnx Wrote:
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> "For those teachers that do want a gun, they
> should go through a process, training and abide by
> a set of standards and rules for keeping the
> weapon inside the classroom. This can be done in a
> very safe and common sense manner. The kids would
> never know who has a gun and who doesn't - which
> is the entire point of deterrence."
>
> The kind of proper training goes far beyond what
> it would take to get a concealed weapons permit.
> It would also require maintenance training and it
> would require that higher ups regularly evaluate
> the teacher to insure it was still appropriate for
> that particular teacher to have and use a firearm
> in a school environment. Even with all of this
> there will be accidents. Plus if you think
> keeping it will stay a secret which teachers are
> armed, you are mistaken.


You weigh all of this against the number of school shootings...someone said about 20 so far this year?

Clearly you don't allow lil Ms. Snowflake teacher (that is going to show it around to all of her teacher friends) to carry.

You would be shocked at the number of people walking around Fairfax today that are armed. You never see the gun and tell me the last time you heard of an accident with one of these folks in Fairfax.

You really don't have a choice. If you leave schools as a soft target, kids will continue to shoot them up. Look at all the threats in this area alone in the last week with kids threatening to shoot up a school. All the fucked up people that we have been reading about and seeing online have been breeding and now they have even more fucked up kids...and those kids are going to do some bad shit. You can prepare yourself, or you can keep lying down in the park with a cute little sign you made and pink pussy hat.

Because of sissy liberals like Mcelven

I have a friend who is a Navy SEAL.

The amount of training they go through before they are considered "safe" handlers of a firearm is astonishing...MILLIONS of rounds practiced fired.

In addition to the other "discipline" training they receive.

Most, if not all, of those guys consider it an absurd proposition to have armed "civilians"...eg, teachers, etc., have a firearm with a license to use it in a shootout type situation.

And then, of course, there is always the issue of if in fact an armed fight breaks out between a bad guy, and armed "civilians", who is to know who the good guy(s) are?

As appealing as it may sound, civilians are in no way a good source of fighting back with guns.

Schools are "gun free zones". That rule has really done a good job deterring school shootings, right?
No teacher wants to find themselves shooting at anyone, but when a monster enters the school with a gun, it comes down to numbers.
If you can nip it in the bud, then you save lives by taking the life of the aggressor.
The athletic instructors and coaches seemed to be the ones brave enough to take a bullet and save lives at the last big school shooting event.

When there is a fire, one can reach for the fire extinguisher while the Fire Department is on the way. When it comes to a heart which has stopped beating or other medical emergency, one can use AED, CPR, first aid etc., until the medics arrive in t he ambulance.

When it comes to an active shooter, one can run, hide and "fight back", with disadvantaged improvised weapons.

I don't think math teachers would have any problem conceal
carrying and taking out a shooter using equal force. They are thinking .. "Minus one mass shooter equals a greater number saved."

Re: Why aren't FCPS Teachers armed
Posted by: CCW Carry Is Not Giving Guns ()
Date: February 22, 2018 12:30PM

>I don’t think it would be wise to give teachers guns.

No ones saying teachers should be cops, or should be given guns , let people with CCW carry in the schools, most teachers wont. They will carry their own guns.

**By this statement you must mean Custodians, Teachers, Admin Staff, Lunch ladies and Parent Volunteers?**

Democrats keep the status quo to keep kids getting killed by the knife or the gun or what ever they can get their hands on so they can keep on trying to get all the guns

**The best the NRA and republicans can come up with is arming teachers and you say the democrats are responsible for not aiding in solving the problem?**

>So a 6' 4" dude decides he is "passed" off one day and decides to knock out the 5' 2" female school cop to "kills" people with her gun. And she blows his brains out with her snubnose .38 backup as he grabs her holstered gun and fumbles with the safety

**If this happened the SRO would be well within their rights and would be considered a hero in today’s environment. Is there a point here?**

BTW Don't try that

**The most intelligent statement you have made so far.**

The only way to keep guns, especially military type rapid fire semi auto weapons out of the hands of guys like Cruz is to ban them for sale to the general public and confiscate the ones in the field.

trust a SEAL Wrote:
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> I have a friend who is a Navy SEAL.
>
> The amount of training they go through before they
> are considered "safe" handlers of a firearm is
> astonishing...MILLIONS of rounds practiced fired.
>
> In addition to the other "discipline" training
> they receive.
>
> Most, if not all, of those guys consider it an
> absurd proposition to have armed "civilians"...eg,
> teachers, etc., have a firearm with a license to
> use it in a shootout type situation.
>
> And then, of course, there is always the issue of
> if in fact an armed fight breaks out between a bad
> guy, and armed "civilians", who is to know who the
> good guy(s) are?
>
> As appealing as it may sound, civilians are in no
> way a good source of fighting back with guns.

Trust a seal who thinks people should wait around and do nothing while a slaughter is in progress. Your former navy seal friend sounds like he has a superiority complex (an asshole).

"Millions of rounds" .. You can't do think in a lifetime. You are full of shit and so is your high and mighty know it all Seal friend IMO.

I have met some good former special forces guys and I have met ones who are conceited. Your friend sounds like a conceited asshole.

Tell me which of your teachers would be able to operate and kill someone with a gun... Maybe 1 out of 7 of them? It is just ridiculous to think teachers of all positions should be armed. Hire more school police officers, arming teachers is ludacris and not the answer. The NRA should fund metal detectors at each school. They have ample money

?

"The NRA should fund metal detectors at each school. They have ample money"

How about the schools fund them? Not only are they receiving over 50% of the county budget but they are also part of this problem with their policies.

The amount of training they go through before they are considered "safe" handlers of a firearm is astonishing...MILLIONS of rounds practiced fired.

Lots of training yes, thousands of rounds yes, millions ! Democrat LIAR!

The rest of your lies DNR, No need.

>**By this statement you must mean Custodians, Teachers, Admin Staff, Lunch ladies and Parent Volunteers?**

If they have a CCW there law abiding people and can carry a firearm in your grocery store next to you and all kinds of kids and others and there's not a problem so why is there a problem in a school?

>The best the NRA and republicans can com/ toxic lib thinking follows

You can't come up with 1 dammed thing to save a kids life but ban all guns and blame the GOP and NRA, , You got nothing to offer but hate

While the AMA pours the money out to lobbyists with the Democrat party so not to allow all mental health info to be shared with the no gun sale list because that would impact some psych Dr's and therapists income because some people would not go to see them if they were tipstered out that they were going to kill people. Its already happened , and then there were the others like Holmes whose mental issues were hidden.

The First To Go 1 Cop Wrote:
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> >at least one police officer at every school
> backed by school security guards.
>
> There was a cop in the Florida school in the other
> end of the school
>
> Let CCW people carry in schools, its nothing but a
> piece of paper,criminals doesnt obey laws, people
> with the piece of paper do, anyone can bring a gun
> into a school. If a teacher gets a CCW they can
> carry also.
>
> Stop the stupid liberal Democrat obstruction, get
> your heads out of either the sand or your asses
> and save some kids lives
>
> When cowards know many people in a school may be
> legally armed they will not be shooting the school
> up


I meant a real Police Officer ..not a coward in uniform. With a pair of brass balls or figurative. Not every person with a gun has what it takes to step up..again, some of you people are watching to many movies.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/22/sheriffs-officer-who-did-nothing-to-stop-florida-shooter-resigns/

Fuck your asshole seal friend Wrote:
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> trust a SEAL Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have a friend who is a Navy SEAL.
> >
> > The amount of training they go through before
> they
> > are considered "safe" handlers of a firearm is
> > astonishing...MILLIONS of rounds practiced
> fired.
> >
> > In addition to the other "discipline" training
> > they receive.
> >
> > Most, if not all, of those guys consider it an
> > absurd proposition to have armed
> "civilians"...eg,
> > teachers, etc., have a firearm with a license
> to
> > use it in a shootout type situation.
> >
> > And then, of course, there is always the issue
> of
> > if in fact an armed fight breaks out between a
> bad
> > guy, and armed "civilians", who is to know who
> the
> > good guy(s) are?
> >
> > As appealing as it may sound, civilians are in
> no
> > way a good source of fighting back with guns.
>
> Trust a seal who thinks people should wait around
> and do nothing while a slaughter is in progress.
> Your former navy seal friend sounds like he has a
> superiority complex (an asshole).
>
> "Millions of rounds" .. You can't do think in a
> lifetime. You are full of shit and so is your high
> and mighty know it all Seal friend IMO.
>
> I have met some good former special forces guys
> and I have met ones who are conceited. Your
> friend sounds like a conceited asshole.

Good god, girl, what set you off?

You sound like a very, very angry woman.

"Millions of Rounds"...can be done in about 6 months of training. And is. Some of the faster machine guns are capable of 3,000 rounds per minute. Do the math.

That would be a little over 4 hours of shooting.

You think those guys shoot for less than 4 hours?

C'mon, sweety.

Who said anything about "wait(ing) around and do(ing) nothing while a slaughter is in process"?

Certainly not me.

Typical woman...taking something to the extreme, and making it an emotional thing, not to mention trying to put words in other people's mouths.

Sorry to have set you off in such a fashion, dearheart.

IMO.

The above ranting lying liberal gun hater

1 million rounds at .20 cents each is $ 200000 hell no they don't spend that amount of money on ammo,for 1 SEAL. 125K rounds of ammo would be 25 thousand and that's a whole hell of a lot more then any one else in the military gets to shoot., they do many other things then sit around firing guns off all day, and if all that they would be better riflemen then they actually are

Asslibs crawl out of corners like roaches to lie their asses off on guns and gun control with Hollywood movie shit

CCW carry in all schools is one answer, a police dept in each school is another

>I meant a real Police Officer

That were shot and died at Sully station May 8th 2006. Officer Garbarino was shot in the back several times ambushed in his marked police car and in full uniform, he died a week later, Detective Armel was shot and killed on the spot.

If that was a school not a police station the killer would have been right in the door

No one knows who's carrying a gun with a CCW

And those fallen Fairfax County Police Officers were 100% real police officers

Democrats dot I's and Cross T's while kids die

>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/douglas-school-cop-never-went-in-during-the-shooting-there-were-other-failures-too/ar-BBJtrNW?ocid=spartandhp

Post above in this thread true ! ,Sherriff suspended deputy Scot Peterson for investigation why he stood outside. Peterson then quit.

Was he with Columbine PD before ? They waited 25 minutes or so before they went in, establishing a Democrat command post dotting I's and crossing T's at Columbine.

If I was a kid with a shooter in the school , I would hope like hell someone's father was in the building with a CCW .

Even the School Lunch lady !

Plenty of women would kill a rat coward killer of kids if they had to stop them and they would if they were armed. And they don't need a badge either

Like The 2 FCPD Officers Wrote:
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> >I meant a real Police Officer
>
> That were shot and died at Sully station May 8th
> 2006. Officer Garbarino was shot in the back
> several times ambushed in his marked police car
> and in full uniform, he died a week later,
> Detective Armel was shot and killed on the spot.
>
> If that was a school not a police station the
> killer would have been right in the door
>
> No one knows who's carrying a gun with a CCW
>
> And those fallen Fairfax County Police Officers
> were 100% real police officers
>
> Democrats dot I's and Cross T's while kids die

Read the article, asshole. He was a coward so stop your BS.

He knew where the shooter was and froze..GTFO.

According to yo he should have a full pension and retirement benefits.

Don't bring up an entire different scenario and attempt cross examine.

School Militarization Wrote:
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> In 2015, American firearms manufacturers made
> 3,500,000 pistols.
>
> Public schools in the U.S. = 100,000
>
> 10 guns per school = 1,000,000 guns
>
> 1,000,000 guns = 29% increase in firearms
> manufactured
>
> 1,000,000 guns X $400 purchase price =
> $400,000,000
>
> Plus, training would, no doubt, be supplied by
> NRA-backed businesses (and likely firearms
> manufacturing companies or their subsidiaries).
>
> 1,000,000 guns X $1,000 per trainee =
> $100,000,000.
>
> Total cost = half a BILLION dollars.
>
> Are you going to pay for that?

Judging by your math, I can tell you are a liberal and went to public school.

Better than having had no better option than to drop out at age 16.

Listening to Trump speaking on the subject of arming teachers now. He is a complete idiot and is an NRA puppet as are most gun hugging republicans. What are you people so afraid of? BTW the cop in the school in Florida is a Republican and NRA member and a coward. Hope he kills himself soon.

"CODE RED! OPEN THE SAFE"

.. "Open it ? Are you sure?"

"YES, open the safe! This is not a drill. It's a code red!"

... "Are both Mr. Smith and Mr. Green in today?"

""Green's out. But I saw Smith this morning. He's probably headed this way, but call him anyway."

.... "OK, yes. He is on his way. He's taking the green corridor. The shooter is in the West Wing. Don't worry, I'm taking the rifle down the hall to meet him. It's OK."

"OK. Run! and Be Careful!!!"

Mr. Smith, with all his shooting experience and qualification should be able to stop the mayhem.

Mr. Smith, meets the principal who hands over the rifle. Mr. Smith takes the side door outside, sprints the length of the building and re-enters on the West side putting himself about 50 yards just behind the active shooter, who is laughing maniacally while randomly shooting students who are tripping over one another in stampede like fashion.

Mr. Smith, switches off the safety, chambers a round, quickly and carefully peers through the scope ... He checks the backdrop of the subject to ensure it's clear. It's clear. He takes a deep breath and with a slow and sure pull of the trigger, Mr. Smith sends the shooter to the floor with a shot to center of mass, disabling him.

Immediately Mr. Smith runs to the now inactive shooter, kneels and renders 1st aid.

10 minutes later, A Swat Team enters the building to do a sweep, checking for any further threats. Medics arrive and begin working on injured students and the shooter himself.

WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A SYSTEM OF RAPID DEPLOYMENT LIKE THIS IN OUR SCHOOLS?

ONE OR TWO TEACHERS WHO ARE TRAINED IN FIREARMS SAFETY AND ACCURACY WHO ARE THE "GO TO" PERSONS IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY. FIREARM(S) CAN BE STORED IN A HEAVY VAULT OR SAFE, SECURED TO BOTH A WALL AND THE FLOOR.

While "go too" person is deployed, another calls police with HIS description of what he is wearing so that police arriving on the seen understand that he is no the active shooter, but the school's "go to" person for active shooter situations.

This type of reaction time is far better than the wait for LEOs and much cheaper than hiring a police officer for school security.

The faculty or staff who are well qualified, with experience can be paid a bit more due to their experience with firearms use and are designated as official active shooter responders.

Tell The US Senate to pass the National Concealed Carry law and sign it, just as you rightfully spoke today at National Harbor, these coward killers would never go into a school if they knew there could be armed people in there that would shoot back.

Insert language in the carry bill to allow any person with a CCW to carry in any school. If a teacher wishes to be licensed and train yes they can carry. There are thousands of female police officers all across America protecting the nation.

Leave the liberal haters of a firearm behind, their policies are policies of death as you stated correctly an N. H. They don't work, they have failed now too many times, enough is enough

The law abiding American people started this nation with their strength, they built this nation by their will and ability, they protected this nation with their lives, and the law abiding American people can protect their children in public schools once the death grip of senseless "No Guns Here Death ZONE" mentally of the liberals is overruled by federal law

Thank you Mr. President. Funny, while you were responding to my post I was emailing your office with the ideas above, though yours is a much simpler and cheaper solution.

Seeing their pay released FOIA i'd say ...

THEY ARE TWO ARMED BANDITS