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POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: FUCING BULLSHIT ()
Date: December 21, 2006 06:08PM

Call the Mount Vernon District Station and demand that you know where the "DWI" checkpoint is being held tonight. It's really stupid that they are allowed to even do it at all, but regardless, they are required by law to tell you where they are having it. They are not even following the law, although it's an attempt to enforce another. Ah, the irony.

703-360-8400

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: joe ()
Date: December 21, 2006 06:17PM

What? Required by law my ass. Why would it be the law for them to tell you? Show me the law... Seriously, just say you are a news reporter for channel 8 and you are going to be covering a story on drunk driving. It's not that dificult idiot.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: mad max, JD ()
Date: December 21, 2006 06:50PM

It's tomorrow night.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Tim45 ()
Date: December 21, 2006 08:13PM

Checkpoint or not it is too risky to drive around after having more than enough. Look at a ballpark cost of $7,000 for a lawyer and fines. Doesnt include the future cost of car insurance. Much cheaper for a $25.00 cab ride.

Even if you are paying attention some idiot can always run into you and there you are waiting for the cop to give this guy a $50.00 ticket for not paying attention and you get hauled away for DWI. It aint fair but it is life.

Oh yeah you get the fun of spending the night in lockup with the real winners of society. If you like the smell of bleach and vomit go for it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/21/2006 08:15PM by Tim45.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Lurker ()
Date: December 21, 2006 09:08PM

The road blocks are usually by a major intersection of 4 lane highways.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: DWI citizens patrol ()
Date: December 22, 2006 12:50AM

If one of our 23 volunteers sees you leave a bar (after hours of drinking) or driving strange you will not need to worry about the check points. We will follow you and call the police on cell phones.Since our start the NOVA chapter of D.C.P. has reported 367 persons for drunk driving and many were arrested including a recent Habitual offender.There is no escape from a citizen with a cell phone once you have been spotted driving drunk.
Average time till the police arrived and made a vehicle stop:
Fairfax county 3 minutes
Loundon county 4 1/2 minutes
Prince William 3 minutes
Alexandria 2 minutes
Arlington 2 1/2 minutes
These averages are through October 2006,we track them in two month periods.Several bars known to be serving intoxicated people are being watched this Holiday season.Merry Christmas and be safe.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: December 22, 2006 12:57AM

well, SOMEONE has to speak up for drunk driving here. I mean, it's getting railed on pretty hard here.

I say if you know you're going to be driving and you're drunk, make sure you have three more drinks before you hit the wheel. And make sure you drive 20 over.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: FFX Citizen ()
Date: December 22, 2006 01:40AM

D.C.P. - That's all we need. A bunch of wanna be people playing cops. These citizen patrols are famous for getting cases thrown out of court! Not to mention all the false alarms the Police end up chasing and lawsuits they get into.

Didn't we learn our lessons from the FFX chapter of the Guardian Angels. They started more problems then they solved.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Hammered ()
Date: December 22, 2006 08:24AM

Average time till the police arrived and made a vehicle stop:
Fairfax county 3 minutes
Loundon county 4 1/2 minutes
Prince William 3 minutes
Alexandria 2 minutes
Arlington 2 1/2 minutes
How many time one of our 23 volunteers have had the shit beat out of them - 80

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Drunky ()
Date: December 22, 2006 08:45AM

DWI citizens patrol Wrote:
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> If one of our 23 volunteers sees you leave a bar
> (after hours of drinking) or driving strange you
> will not need to worry about the check points. We
> will follow you and call the police on cell
> phones.Since our start the NOVA chapter of D.C.P.
> has reported 367 persons for drunk driving and
> many were arrested including a recent Habitual
> offender.There is no escape from a citizen with a
> cell phone once you have been spotted driving
> drunk.
> Average time till the police arrived and made
> a vehicle stop:
> Fairfax county 3 minutes
> Loundon county 4 1/2 minutes
> Prince William 3 minutes
> Alexandria 2 minutes
> Arlington 2 1/2 minutes
> These averages are through October 2006,we track
> them in two month periods.Several bars known to be
> serving intoxicated people are being watched this
> Holiday season.Merry Christmas and be safe.

We are wise to your mini vans and wacked out overweight women.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Tim45 ()
Date: December 22, 2006 09:02AM

To DCP I find your time estimates interesting. Fairfax county three minutes? It would take that long for a call taker to enter your information and get it to a dispatcher. the dispatcher would then have to locate a car to handle it. The cop would then have to drive to where you are and make the stop. Very doubtful it would take three minutes to do all that.
4 1/2 minutes in Loudoun? That county is so big it stretches to the W Va border.

Also the cops cannot make a traffic stop for this type of violation based only on your observations unless they see it for themselves. Otherwise angry ex-wives would be calling in their husbands every time he went to work just to f with him.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Adam ()
Date: December 22, 2006 09:24AM

Why doesn't DCP actually do something useful and try and keep the metro open longer. or give free ride to metro stations. Or hell drive are cars home for us!

Following drunk people around is not the answer.

Sober ride is a joke at 1-2 in the morning when your ready to leave the bar. It takes 2 hours just to get a cab, hell I’ll be sober by then. If your in DC then forget about it all together.

We have one of the best metro’s in the country and close it at 3am, usually before that depending on what station your at and where you want to go. Is it really that hard to keep it open 24 hours on holidays. Some clubs/bars in DC don’t close until 5am.
But at 5 in the morning I won’t have to worry about checkpoints

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Lawman ()
Date: December 22, 2006 09:28AM

DCP sounds like a great group of people to start watching for law violations.
I'll bet their are some really good skeletons in their closets that we can make public. We should get a group together to follow them and look up their records.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: pmn ()
Date: December 22, 2006 09:33AM

If you just drive sober, you don't have to worry about anything ... except some other drunk hitting you.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: stinkypoon ()
Date: December 22, 2006 11:45AM

DCP, when pretending to be a cop and following someone for leaving a bar (restaurant), you're probably the more likely to get into an accident while yapping with the cops on your cell phone. Fucking Gestapo.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: December 22, 2006 12:25PM

here's an idea, dont drive in Mount Vernon, though not driving drunk is a better solution, dumbass.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/22/2006 12:26PM by Gravis.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Lurker ()
Date: December 22, 2006 01:25PM

Gravis usually I don't agree with you, but since you agreed with me in the other thread and it's Christmas... I agree Gravis, Merry Christmas.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Mofo ()
Date: December 22, 2006 05:50PM

DWI citizens patrol Wrote:
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> If one of our 23 volunteers sees you leave a bar
> (after hours of drinking) or driving strange you
> will not need to worry about the check points. We
> will follow you and call the police on cell
> phones.Since our start the NOVA chapter of D.C.P.
> has reported 367 persons for drunk driving and
> many were arrested including a recent Habitual
> offender.There is no escape from a citizen with a
> cell phone once you have been spotted driving
> drunk.
> Average time till the police arrived and made
> a vehicle stop:
> Fairfax county 3 minutes
> Loundon county 4 1/2 minutes
> Prince William 3 minutes
> Alexandria 2 minutes
> Arlington 2 1/2 minutes
> These averages are through October 2006,we track
> them in two month periods.Several bars known to be
> serving intoxicated people are being watched this
> Holiday season.Merry Christmas and be safe.


Ah hah, but if I drive in DC you are the ones violating the law using the cell phone while driving.

Jesus Christ. Here's a novel idea. Let's hang around bars and follow random people we professionally deem to be unsuitable to drive a car thus being in our own esteemed opinion a serious hazard to the road. We will then follow said people ourselves creating an even greater hazard on the road.

Shouldn't you be petitioning congress to bring back alcohol prohibition or something? It worked so well and saved so many people, and our esteemed state that makes 100% profit off of "controlling" or rather monopolizing hard alcohol for themselves (and keeping it out of the hands of precious minors) just makes real drugs that much more of a viable un-IDed untaxed option.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: dirtyharry ()
Date: December 22, 2006 08:21PM

What will they stoop to next? Strip searching everyone at the Mall looking for shop lifters? This kind of crap worries me as it always attracts unbalance people. Reminds me of 20/20 a few weeks ago.McDonald's manager stripping and spanking a customer because a caller claiming to be a cop told him to.Lack of common sense is scare and so is this citizen Nazi patrol.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Mofo ()
Date: December 22, 2006 11:13PM

dirtyharry Wrote:
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> What will they stoop to next? Strip searching
> everyone at the Mall looking for shop lifters?
> This kind of crap worries me as it always attracts
> unbalance people. Reminds me of 20/20 a few weeks
> ago.McDonald's manager stripping and spanking a
> customer because a caller claiming to be a cop
> told him to.Lack of common sense is scare and so
> is this citizen Nazi patrol.

I believe you're referring to this: http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1297922&page=1

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: DIRTY HARRY ()
Date: December 22, 2006 11:58PM

YES THATS IT! oNLY IT HAPPENED IN OVER 40 FAST FOOD JOINTS.THE CALLER WAS ARRESTED AND CHARGED BUT THE JURY WALKED HIM. The spanker was given 5 years. 20/20 did a entire show on it.One female manager actually did a cavity search on a 28 year old restaurant guest.Bizarre! This world is nuts! Where are they getting these people.All of them said the same thing,well the caller said he was a police officer and I had to assist him.Watch your ass around fast food employees. LOL

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: duh ()
Date: December 23, 2006 07:28PM

I just can't imagine anybody risking a DWI...

I got caught back in '82, and it was one of the worst (and expensive) experiences of my life. I was blistered (.22 BAC) but was not involved in an accident. By the time you pay the attorney, fines, ASAP fees, higher insurance rates (mine TRIPLED for 5 years), towing and storage, etc. you're talking thousands of dollars. I was also sentenced to 100 hours of community service part of which I spent painting every trash can at Great Falls Park. Not to mention my license was restricted to "to and from work only" for 6 months.

And then all the bullshit you have to put up with in the ASAP program (I did Arlington's...one of the toughest). The higher your BAC the more shit they they put you through....and for longer...they kept me in the program for over a year...including weekly AA meetings. Talk back to them...and it gets even worse. They kept me that long because I REFUSED to go on AntAbuse.

Waiting 2 hours for a cab (I've never waited anywhere near that long) ain't NUTHIN compared to the years of crap a DWI will cost you.

Do you want to know why the cop said he stopped me? A burned out taillight! Do you know when your next bulb will burn out???

They made a believer out of me, that's for goddamned sure. Though I still regularly go out and get trashed, I haven't driven after even ONE beer since that night. My DWI is burned so deep into my memory that, even if I'm super wasted, I still have enough sense left to stay the hell out of the driver's seat.

And that was almost 25 years ago....God knows what put they put drunk drivers through nowadays....I'll never find out!

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: December 23, 2006 07:47PM

Stevie Wonder has the answer for you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsOG7CHsKuA

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Tim45 ()
Date: December 23, 2006 08:22PM

I still have my doubts this group even exists. The time frames were just too small to allow a cop to be right there in almost every case.
Has anyone found a link to a website for this group, I would guess they have to advertise to find new members.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: December 24, 2006 12:17AM

I'd join as a decoy. I'd follow some minister or something just to make sure someone prominent gets the 3rd degree (idea stolen)

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Mofo ()
Date: December 24, 2006 12:44AM

duh Wrote:
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> I just can't imagine anybody risking a DWI...
>
> I got caught back in '82, and it was one of the
> worst (and expensive) experiences of my life. I
> was blistered (.22 BAC) but was not involved in an
> accident. By the time you pay the attorney,
> fines, ASAP fees, higher insurance rates (mine
> TRIPLED for 5 years), towing and storage, etc.
> you're talking thousands of dollars. I was also
> sentenced to 100 hours of community service part
> of which I spent painting every trash can at Great
> Falls Park. Not to mention my license was
> restricted to "to and from work only" for 6
> months.

>
> And then all the bullshit you have to put up with
> in the ASAP program (I did Arlington's...one of
> the toughest). The higher your BAC the more shit
> they they put you through....and for longer...they
> kept me in the program for over a year...including
> weekly AA meetings. Talk back to them...and it
> gets even worse. They kept me that long because I
> REFUSED to go on AntAbuse.
>
> Waiting 2 hours for a cab (I've never waited
> anywhere near that long) ain't NUTHIN compared to
> the years of crap a DWI will cost you.
>
> Do you want to know why the cop said he stopped
> me? A burned out taillight! Do you know when
> your next bulb will burn out???
>
> They made a believer out of me, that's for
> goddamned sure. Though I still regularly go out
> and get trashed, I haven't driven after even ONE
> beer since that night. My DWI is burned so deep
> into my memory that, even if I'm super wasted, I
> still have enough sense left to stay the hell out
> of the driver's seat.
>
> And that was almost 25 years ago....God knows what
> put they put drunk drivers through
> nowadays....I'll never find out!

Something tells me Mel Gibson, Paris Hilton, Patrick Kennedy, Winona Judd, Nick Nolte, Nichole Richie, George Bush, and Dick Cheney didn't have to do as much when they got a DUI/DWI.



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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: December 24, 2006 12:51AM

Dude, the celebrity DUI is a right-of-passage, those people HAD to get one to continue their careers.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: ... ()
Date: December 24, 2006 09:30AM

Check out what the guy who comitted the hit-and-run in Herndon got for his 1st DWI:

http://www.novatownhall.com/blog/graphics/espinoza_rap_sheet.pdf

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Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: December 24, 2006 10:56AM

... Wrote:
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> Check out what the guy who comitted the
> hit-and-run in Herndon got for his 1st DWI:
>
> http://www.novatownhall.com/blog/graphics/espinoza
> _rap_sheet.pdf


Jesus! If this guy is an illegal, how the fuck is he still in the country? WTF???

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: ... ()
Date: December 24, 2006 11:39AM

Apparently he got deported back to El Salvador shortly after he committed the hit-and-run for "unrelated reasons"--this was apparently before they knew he did it. Makes me wonder what he got deported for.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: December 24, 2006 11:43AM

... Wrote:
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> Apparently he got deported back to El Salvador
> shortly after he committed the hit-and-run for
> "unrelated reasons"--this was apparently before
> they knew he did it. Makes me wonder what he got
> deported for.


Screwing up some rich dude's lawn.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Richard ()
Date: December 24, 2006 05:33PM

Hey Dumb Shit. If the police told you where the check point was going to be then you would drive around the check point and that would defeat the entire purpose of the thing. This way at least you will think about another way home besides driving yourself. I don't agree with the check points but how fucking stupid can you be to complain about the police not telling you where they are going to set it up. I give you an "A" for effort. Calling the station to ask how to avoid being arrested does have its creative points but you are still a moron. Next you will want them to tell you where they are doing stakeouts so the criminals will simply go to another neighborhood. Do us all a favor and dump a little chlorine into your gene pool.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Firrat ()
Date: December 24, 2006 07:24PM

If police doesnt release info on where they have speed traps for me .... than screw you idiots who wanna drink and drive.....

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: LOL????? ()
Date: December 24, 2006 07:29PM

DWI citizens patrol Wrote:
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> If one of our 23 volunteers sees you leave a bar
> (after hours of drinking) or driving strange you
> will not need to worry about the check points. We
> will follow you and call the police on cell
> phones.Since our start the NOVA chapter of D.C.P.
> has reported 367 persons for drunk driving and
> many were arrested including a recent Habitual
> offender.There is no escape from a citizen with a
> cell phone once you have been spotted driving
> drunk.
> Average time till the police arrived and made
> a vehicle stop:
> Fairfax county 3 minutes
> Loundon county 4 1/2 minutes
> Prince William 3 minutes
> Alexandria 2 minutes
> Arlington 2 1/2 minutes
> These averages are through October 2006,we track
> them in two month periods.Several bars known to be
> serving intoxicated people are being watched this
> Holiday season.Merry Christmas and be safe.


hope this is a joke cuz u guys guzzle cum

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: IM ()
Date: December 24, 2006 07:40PM

You guys are funny as hell. Area departments put out press releases prior to and after a checkpoint. Prior to tells you where and when, after tells you the results.

Check the departments "Press release" section on their website.

The purpose isnt just to lock up drunk drivers, its also for public awareness and to deter drinking and driving to begin with (note I am not making a statement one way or the other as to how effective this is). There is no big brother conspiracy going on, the info is all made public.

Not rendering an opinion one way or the other, but the bullshit flag needs to be flown for some of the posts on this thread...Feel the need to correct completely wrong info being posted.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: December 24, 2006 08:45PM

Well, when poster's name has "FUCING" in it you know the poster isn't that's bright.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: December 25, 2006 05:15AM

IM, you are correct but omissive. The FFX Popo do declare ahead of time they will be doing a checkpoint, they name the district, even.

But they do not name the exact place. A few weeks ago the "fair oaks" cops said they would be having a stop in their district, and indeed they did, at the border where their district meets loudon county.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: IM ()
Date: December 25, 2006 08:29AM

Reston - I stand corrected. You are absolutely correct. Just checked the press releases. Guess they dont put full info in them anymore.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: sammy ()
Date: December 26, 2006 07:25AM

I think the patrol group exaggerates their membership numbers big time.Probably 5-6 divorced women and a few guys that build model rockets in their spare time.A buddy of mine is a cop and he said it definitely is a legitimate group (he has responded to their calls) but it's not a regular every weekend thing.The chances of finding one of these nuts behind you in a large metropolitan area like D.C. is almost non-existent.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Lawman ()
Date: December 26, 2006 08:51AM

The checkpoints are to "DETER" drinking and driving. If people know there is a checkpoint they are most likely going to alter their drinking habits. That's why the county does the press releases.

As for if they are effective, 50/50. I'd say they do effect residents driving habits. However being EFFECTIVE at actually catching drunk drivers, certainly patrols do a better job at identifying and catching because they can pinpoint more motorists in a broader area.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Destro ()
Date: December 26, 2006 09:48AM

Police do not have to release the info on when and where they will have checkpoints. Like someone said before, Fairfax usually releases the info on the DMV website and even in some newspapers (especially around holiday seasons) mainly to raise awareness and to let John Q. Public know that they are actually out there doing there jobs. They in no way have to release that info on the checkpoints.
Also it does deter people from drinking and driving. I know a few times when I knew there was going to be checkpoint out that night I made sure I wasn't going to be driving after drinking that night.

And YES, they need to open the metro all night!

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: UnHaappy ()
Date: December 27, 2006 12:18PM

Checkpoints absolutely go against Constitution

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

Here is a good article on the subject

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/DrivingIssues/1103163004.html

Really what’s next, Random police search’s of your house to search for illegal drugs?

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Potatoe ()
Date: January 10, 2007 04:54PM

UnHaappy Wrote:
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> Checkpoints absolutely go against Constitution
>
> “The right of the people to be secure in their
> persons, houses, papers, and effects, against
> unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
> violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon
> probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,
> and particularly describing the place to be
> searched, and the persons or things to be
> seized.”

Yes they are. Look it up!

The basic regulations governing DWI checkpoints were laid out many years ago by the US Supreme Court in Michigan State Police v. Sitz, 496 US 444 (1990), and the New York State Court of Appeals in People v. Scott, 63 NY2d 518 (1984), which ruled that the use of DWI checkpoints by law enforcement is permissible under the Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution if certain criteria are followed. These criteria can be summarized as follows:

First, the DWI checkpoint must be conducted pursuant to explicit regulations which circumscribe the discretion of the officers in terms of site selection for the location of the roadblock.

Second, the regulations must require that vehicles be stopped according to wholly uniform and neutral criteria, such as the stopping of every car or every fourth car.

Third, the initial observation and questioning must be brief and limited to inquiries regarding the driver's license, vehicle registration, insurance and proof of inspection; see Sitz at pp. 453; Scott at pp. 526-27.
Based on these and other court rulings, most law enforcement agencies have adopted written regulations for use in conducting their DWI checkpoints. Checkpoints conducted pursuant to such guidelines insure that totally objective and neutral criteria are utilized by the officers in determining who gets stopped and that the intrusion on the motorist remains minimal.


http://www.legalsurvival.com/dwilink/vol35.html

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: m4ilm4n ()
Date: January 10, 2007 06:52PM

Potatoe: that's interesting; I'd always wondered about that, and although that link specifically relates to DWI checkpoints, I would have to assume the same rules apply to "road safety" checkpoints as well (I got stopped by one in Remington a while back, and wondered about the legality of it).

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: January 11, 2007 12:59PM

Potatoe Wrote:
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> The basic regulations governing DWI checkpoints
> were laid out many years ago by the US Supreme
> Court in Michigan State Police v. Sitz, 496 US 444
> (1990), and the New York State Court of Appeals in
> People v. Scott, 63 NY2d 518 (1984), which ruled
> that the use of DWI checkpoints by law enforcement
> is permissible under the Fourth Amendment of the
> US Constitution if certain criteria are followed.


having been through a few, i can tell you that they have met all those criteria. however, they are still a waste of resources and only further disprove MADD's crazy ass lies.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: The Congressman ()
Date: January 12, 2007 02:10AM

Slavery, denying women the right to vote, and prohibition used to be constitutional as well.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: January 12, 2007 02:20AM

What I can't believe is that people are still free to choose and practice any crazy religion they want. Those who have not chosen Christ as their answer are doomed to burn for eternity. This needs to be codified in our national document.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: January 12, 2007 03:49PM

The Congressman Wrote:
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> Slavery, denying women the right to vote, and
> prohibition used to be constitutional as well.


you are comparing this to slavery?!




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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: January 12, 2007 09:50PM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> What I can't believe is that people are still free
> to choose and practice any crazy religion they
> want. Those who have not chosen Christ as their
> answer are doomed to burn for eternity. This
> needs to be codified in our national document.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed) Thomas Jefferson
Jan.1.1802.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Eesh Moreno ()
Date: March 21, 2016 06:32PM

WHy not?

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Not anymore ()
Date: March 22, 2016 06:10PM

they sure dont have as many checkpoints as they used too.

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Re: POLICE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO
Posted by: Stephen ()
Date: March 22, 2016 06:29PM

Look here
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