02/15/2018

Penny University Discussion Series- Are vast gaps in wealth and economic resources in America justified?

When: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 7:00 PM, EST
Where: Caffe Amouri

Amphora Diner Small Group
377 Maple Avenue West · Vienna, VA


INTRO CONVERSATION:
The billionaires who make up the Forbes 400 list of richest Americans now have as much wealth as all African-American households, plus one-third of America’s Latino population, combined. In other words, just 400 extremely wealthy individuals have as much wealth as 16 million African-American households and 5 million Latino households.

NOVES.ORG Meetup URL:

https://www.meetup.com/Northern-Virginia-Ethical-Society/
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walden3twinfx Wrote:
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> 02/15/2018
>
> Penny University Discussion Series- Are vast gaps
> in wealth and economic resources in America
> justified?
>
> When: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 7:00 PM, EST
> Where: Caffe Amouri
>
> Amphora Diner Small Group
> 377 Maple Avenue West · Vienna, VA
>
>
> INTRO CONVERSATION:
> The billionaires who make up the Forbes 400 list
> of richest Americans now have as much wealth as
> all African-American households, plus one-third of
> America’s Latino population, combined. In other
> words, just 400 extremely wealthy individuals have
> as much wealth as 16 million African-American
> households and 5 million Latino households.
>
> NOVES.ORG Meetup URL:
>
> https://www.meetup.com/Northern-Virginia-Ethical-S
> ociety/

Will you have an honest discussion? That is to say, will you discuss Jewish wealth? I bet you won't, even though 139 of those 400 you mention are Jewish (and 20 of the top 50), despite Jews comprising only .6% of the global population. Talk about "privilege."

Key Rule of Café Amouri NOVES meetup discussion is not to be rude or insulting to another participant or exhibit animosity toward any racial minority.

Otherwise, one can speak what one wish to say, in turn, fairly, given fair chance to all participants, recognized by the Moderator of the event
(in this case, Moderator is NOVES.ORG leader, Randy Best)

Randy welcomes phone or email contact with anyone considering participation
for introduction or special request.

Randy Best is a scholar and he is always well prepared and gives a short intro from books he has read, typically from scholars and thoughtful authors.

Details at
WWW.NOVES.ORG

According to New York Times columnist David Brooks, socioeconomic segregation is ruining America.
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walden3twinfx Wrote:
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> Key Rule of Café Amouri NOVES meetup discussion
> is not to be rude or insulting to another
> participant or exhibit animosity toward any racial
> minority.
>
> Otherwise, one can speak what one wish to say, in
> turn, fairly, given fair chance to all
> participants, recognized by the Moderator of the
> event
> (in this case, Moderator is NOVES.ORG leader,
> Randy Best)
>
> Randy welcomes phone or email contact with anyone
> considering participation
> for introduction or special request.
>
> Randy Best is a scholar and he is always well
> prepared and gives a short intro from books he has
> read, typically from scholars and thoughtful
> authors.
>
> Details at
> WWW.NOVES.ORG

LOL - so that's a no? Why even have the discussion if one of the biggest components - jews - is off-topic? That's like saying you're going to have a discussion about the current administration, but Trump is verboten.

Why do you leftists love censorship so much? To you, the truth and objective reality is secondary, and your politics primary. What a weird, weird way to go through life. Enjoy having your discussion about inequity without actually discussing what causes it.

Im okay with this

First off, "Are vast wealth inequality USA justified ?" doesn't even make sense and I won't listen to someone who can't type a comprehensible sentence.

Second, everyone is free to study, work hard, and gain wealth. We're not communist yet.

Any 'socioeconomic segregation' is what people have done to themselves.

#1 Government workers are the FAR worst wage gap factor by weight

every year, it's likely their EXCESS PAY is about $10 trillion, annually. that's not total pay that's excess pay they didn't need

#2 Goverment workers are THE ABSOLUTE WORST TAX DODGERS. Country wide muni code is making self exceptions from taxation despite their pay is already rediculously beyond their predecessors pay

#3 not all rich live like Justin Beaver, infact some hate the nueva riche and topple them over

#4 government workers are now millionheirs, not just obama, we're talking many in each of roughly 100,000 counties in the usa

#5 government knows EXACTLY WHAT LUXURY TAX IS. they simply refuse to apply any so their wealth government checks are not docked when buying luxuries for themselves

so. vast old white wealth is your "issue".

so i understand fx co gov put ads out in mexico to attract hispanics who vote democrat, have been excercising nepatism, hiring illegal, the list is endless

so you want to talk about the rich being abusive?

but every time a REPUBLICAN reporter checks these claims - it's the Nancy Pelosi of the world who are instructing illegals to attack the USA while living in masions

your whole meeting is completely full of crap, as you do NOT work at the treasury where they decide how much taxes the MUST collect

^^ it's not USA doing it, it's USA dems caving into the long held communist and european countries doing it. infact they are helping each other support their terror over the public to set their own pay and decide what jobs they feel like doing.

Let's stay focused on "knowledge" and "Wisdom" of how to make the 21st Century
knowledge economic pie, bigger as a key focus going forward.

Getting rid of income inequalities by a "violent" American Civil War (1861-1865) or The French Revolution (1789-1799) will not make the American Economic Pie bigger !

Question: What "actionables" can be taken on an individual, family, community or event "State" or "National" levels that can make the incredible Knowledge Economy USA bigger as we go forward 2018 + while reducing "income inequality"
as a desirable national goal

(most political leaders, include President D. Trumph, former President B. Obama agrees, as each have said repeatedly in last 4 years ).
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Re: Are vast wealth inequality USA justified ? Vienna VA Penny Univ Meetup (Soon)

Posted by: trumpitality ()

Date: February 15, 2018 11:04PM

Second, everyone is free to study, work hard, and gain wealth. We're not communist yet.

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Conversation: That's the point "Everyone is NOT free to study, work hard, and gain wealth ..."

Poor communities in USA, and poor neighborhoods, who have not enough to eat, or live midst violence, and medical affliction, and poverty, are not "free"
while the top 400 wealthy is getting larger and larger sharing of the wealth,
as did the monarchy just prior to the French Revolution "solution by the guillotine".

Remember ?

A Memory of the French Revolution & 10 year political upheaval about when Thomas Jefferson became President of USA .

Rich vs Poor in Historic France, a lesson for America 2018++ ?
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Your focus is backwards. The problem is not that one people have way too much income and wealth. The problem is that too many hard working people don't get enough to get by. If people who are willing to work can find decent jobs, and if people with decent jobs can live a comfortable life based on what they make, it does not matter whether others are accumulating more wealth than Midas.

There is no real discussion to be had here. The corporate-controlled saps of the GOP have pushed the envelope on income-inequality at every opportunity. When they say DRAIN THE SWAMP, they are talking about draining resources away from you and the programs you rely on, handing all that wealth over to already uber-wealthy fat-cats who hate your guts. They try to divert the attention of the really dumb people with stupid stories and phony wedge-issue propaganda memes, and so many just swallow all that bullshit as if it were a tasty chocolate milkshake. Shame on you all for being so flat-out totally fucked up.

Beware the morons Wrote:
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> There is no real discussion to be had here. The
> corporate-controlled saps of the GOP have pushed
> the envelope on income-inequality at every
> opportunity. When they say DRAIN THE SWAMP, they
> are talking about draining resources away from you
> and the programs you rely on, handing all that
> wealth over to already uber-wealthy fat-cats who
> hate your guts. They try to divert the attention
> of the really dumb people with stupid stories and
> phony wedge-issue propaganda memes, and so many
> just swallow all that bullshit as if it were a
> tasty chocolate milkshake. Shame on you all for
> being so flat-out totally fucked up.

1. I don't use any "programs."

2. Most Jews are Democrats. Most billionaires are Jews (139 of the 400 richest people in the world are Jews).

Stop it - the goyim know. Shame on YOU for taking their programming hook, line, and sinker. Your reply will be nonsensical, full of insults, and will completely ignore the irrefutable truth of what I've said (try to refute the fact that Jews are .1% of the world's population but 6% of Congress, 33% of the Supreme Court, 25% of the Ivy League, 40% of Forbes 400, etc., etc., etc.).

Shabbas Goy Wrote:
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> 1. I don't use any "programs."

Certainly believable as far as "schools" go.

> 2. Most Jews are Democrats. Most billionaires
> are Jews (139 of the 400 richest people in the
> world are Jews).

Most people who understand that 2 + 2 = 4 are Democrats. It's just the ignorant fucktards who fall the other way, They are just too stupid to see what's being done to them. As for religions of course, ALL of them are a pathetic joke. Just like YOU!

Beware the morons Wrote:
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> Shabbas Goy Wrote:
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> > 1. I don't use any "programs."
>
> Certainly believable as far as "schools" go.
>
> > 2. Most Jews are Democrats. Most billionaires
> > are Jews (139 of the 400 richest people in the
> > world are Jews).
>
> Most people who understand that 2 + 2 = 4 are
> Democrats. It's just the ignorant fucktards who
> fall the other way, They are just too stupid to
> see what's being done to them. As for religions
> of course, ALL of them are a pathetic joke. Just
> like YOU!

Again, Jews are .1% of the world's population, but 6% of Congress, 33% of the Supreme Court, 25% of the Ivy League, 40% of Forbes 400, etc. And that doesn't take into account their overrepresentation in media, entertainment, college faculty, high finance, the Bar, etc. Talk about "privilege." Or is it just a (((coincidence?)))

"Judaism" isn't a religion, it's a race. All the genetic heritage testing companies list "Ashkenazi Jew" as a distinct race separate and apart from whites and their various ethnicities. Israel is now using genetic testing to determine who is Jewish and who isn't. Orthodox Jews do not accept converts as true Jews - why? Because you must be born to a Jewish woman for them to accept you as Jewish. "Ignorance" doesn't begin to describe you when it comes to this issue, and why wouldn't you be? You've never been allowed to the ask questions. Wake up, stupid.

there's a high probability these are fairfax county democrats attempting to determine who uses FFU so they can "troll their life for real", using political power, police state, anything other power within their ability to abuse

the topic is clearly "NAACP" oriented

expect these are violent communists stalking prey

that's not a joke

Amphora is a very overpriced, small place in Vienna.

There's no doubt that beyond stalking FFU, their intent is merely: TO FLEECE YOU BY CREATING so called "meetups" at their place of BUSINESS.

there's a high probability these are fairfax county democrats attempting to determine who uses FFU so they can "troll their life for real", using political power, police state, anything other power within their ability to abuse

the topic is clearly "NAACP" oriented

expect these are violent communists stalking prey

that's not a joke

Amphora is a very overpriced, small place in Vienna.

There's no doubt that beyond stalking FFU, their intent is merely: TO FLEECE YOU BY CREATING so called "meetups" at their place of BUSINESS.

there's a high probability these are fairfax county democrats attempting to determine who uses FFU so they can "troll their life for real", using political power, police state, anything other power within their ability to abuse

the topic is clearly "NAACP" oriented

expect these are violent communists stalking prey

that's not a joke

Amphora is a very overpriced, small place in Vienna.

There's no doubt that beyond stalking FFU, their intent is merely: TO FLEECE YOU BY CREATING so called "meetups" at their place of BUSINESS.

there's a high probability these are fairfax county democrats attempting to determine who uses FFU so they can "troll their life for real", using political power, police state, anything other power within their ability to abuse

the topic is clearly "NAACP" oriented

expect these are violent communists stalking prey

that's not a joke

Amphora is a very overpriced, small place in Vienna.

There's no doubt that beyond stalking FFU, their intent is merely: TO FLEECE YOU BY CREATING so called "meetups" at their place of BUSINESS.

there's a high probability these are fairfax county democrats attempting to determine who uses FFU so they can "troll their life for real", using political power, police state, anything other power within their ability to abuse

the topic is clearly "NAACP" oriented

expect these are violent communists stalking prey

that's not a joke

Amphora is a very overpriced, small place in Vienna.

There's no doubt that beyond stalking FFU, their intent is merely: TO FLEECE YOU BY CREATING so called "meetups" at their place of BUSINESS.

there's a high probability these are fairfax county democrats attempting to determine who uses FFU so they can "troll their life for real", using political power, police state, anything other power within their ability to abuse

the topic is clearly "NAACP" oriented

expect these are violent communists stalking prey

that's not a joke

Amphora is a very overpriced, small place in Vienna.

There's no doubt that beyond stalking FFU, their intent is merely: TO FLEECE YOU BY CREATING so called "meetups" at their place of BUSINESS.

"Overpriced" is a relative term of course for diners, fastfood, and ethnic restaurants here in Fairfax County.

Fairfax County is very competitive

for restaurant business. Many has gone by the way side, if they are "overpriced". Many will in future. Amphora has been around for many years, and is a successful diner in Vienna, 2018+.

I want to wish them well, as well as many other quality restaurants even if I personally cannot afford due to "price" issue as a "relative term".

But let's stay focused on our topic of making the "economic pie" bigger, by taking advantage of the exploding knowledge economy before our eyes today, going forward 2018+.


We don't want all to be working for Chinese company's with Chinese or another company, in low paying jobs, here in America, while the high level knowledge workers are nationals of their own country, do we ?
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For "Knowledge Economy" we need "Knowledge Worker" , who will train themselves, via vocational training, or another way, even if just self learning
that inspires an individual, while working at a minimum wage job at a McDonald's or Wendy's .

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Example: Before the Civil War, 90% of Americans worked in agriculture, mostly small family farms.

Then came the era of 19th Century Age of Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

No one, who fought the Civil War, including all of the leaders of America
of that generation, anticipated the emergence of the era of Electric Light Bulb, and coming of a boy named Thomas Edison, when 90% of America worked
in Agriculture !

Wow, talking about being humble to know the impact of what is yet to come !

The whole utility industry was born due to 2 Americans, Thomas Edison and the inventor of Alternate Current, an immigrant genious whose first job in America was to work for Thomas Edison.

Today's modern great companies in America, such as Con Edison, and General Electic was created from Thomas Edison's Inventions.


Remember ?

Question: How & What can our political leaders can create motivate, via incentives to individuals, family, and small biz, to invest in skills and knowledge acquiring either by formal training, or via other education via perhaps workstudy programs, while one is working at retail store or restaurant minimum wage job ?

Again you have it backwards. I am all for making the economic pie bigger, but for poor and middle class working individuals it does not matter how big the pie is if they are still getting the same amount.

What we have here is a bunch of little kids playing in the sandbox. Laughably, they seem to take themselves seriously.

as i've often said: i beleive gerrymanderer2 is a foreigner or perhaps paid government autority (democrat) who is inciting fake news to lure and attract the kind of language they are seeking to make "hate speech laws" for

i believe %100 that this person feigns laughter environment and racism false news to get other people to say things they otherwise would not say, for the purpose of arrest and blackmail

that explains exactly why i treat that poster harshly and flip anything he says to cinders

> that explains exactly why i treat that poster
> harshly and flip anything he says to cinders

a sentiment which i've repeated at least yearly

while democrats are posting fake news / troll posts to incite hate speech against themselves they deserve no leeway, no good speech, NOTHING

they deserved highly negative reactions to any such attempt in their face by anonymous posters: noting they are using anonymity as a tool. noting also that "the internet" as modified during Clinton was changed to keep "big business and government" saying and doing bad things anonymous, while keeping home users "traceable"

I'm waiting for them to begin to claim that their own weapon turned against them is not fair. WHy is because not only is it not fair - but because they owe jailtime in being exposed for what they are doing.

Question: Who should be empowered to make the "Knowledge Economic Pie Bigger" ?

Possible Answer:
(01) Individuals (via Knowledge Skills & Training via educational or via self directed using public library, etc, via work-study while working minimum wage job at the Mall Retail or restaurant )

(02) Large Corporations (with or without a commitment to corporate ethics, as we do have both types. On the Ethical Side of Large Corporation of Today, I would include, Google.com (consider the philanthropy of Google.org for disabled, $20 Million+), Microsoft.com, and IBM.com. I would exclude some of the large banks, and Cell Phone companies, and Wall Street Firms from recent financial scandals).

(03) Small Corp (Particularly Biotech, Physics, and other engineering or science). Fact: 80% of New Jobs in America are created by small companies.

(04) Non-Profits & University Research Groups and Research Faculty


So, from a policy perspective, if you were elected the President of United States, where would you focus for building the "Knowledge Economy Pie USA" Bigger (01,02, 03, 04 or unknown 05) ?
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The dumb Wrote:
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> What we have here is a bunch of little kids
> playing in the sandbox. Laughably, they seem to
> take themselves seriously.

Go back to your Salon. One of the things 19th century Europeans admired about America is how average citizens would discuss the important political, social and economic issues of the day.

Re: Are vast wealth inequality USA justified ? Vienna VA Penny Univ Meetup (Soon) new

Posted by: Real Americans are Involved ()

Date: February 16, 2018 07:38PM

The dumb Wrote:
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> What we have here is a bunch of little kids
> playing in the sandbox. Laughably, they seem to
> take themselves seriously.

Go back to your Salon. One of the things 19th century Europeans admired about America is how average citizens would discuss the important political, social and economic issues of the day.
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Conversation in support of "Real Americans Are Involved".

Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859)

He was best known for his works Democracy in America

Tocqueville saw democracy as an equation that balanced liberty and equality, concern for the individual as well as for the community.

As a critic of individualism, Tocqueville thought that through associating, the coming together of people for mutual purpose, both in public and private, Americans are able to overcome selfish desires, thus making both a self-conscious and active political society and a vibrant civil society functioning according to political and civil laws of the state




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Are vast wealth inequality USA justified ?

Summary from Last Night's Penny Univ Meetup last night at Café Amouri Vienna

with Randy Best NOVES.ORG leader as host and discussion leader.


I attended this wonderful discussion event at Café Amouri at 7:00 PM (event completed promptly at 8:30 PM as usual).

Approximately 25 persons attended. Very impressive thoughtful comments.

By an large, most people attending said that "Vast Disparities of Wealth" is bad for the economy, and bad for building quality community such as we now have here in Fairfax County, but not elsewhere in Virginia or in USA.

Susan and Fred gave thoughtful examples of their recent visit to two contrasting countries, Finland, where "everyone" rich and poor lived without much distinction or isolation in the urban hub.

Not so in Turkey, where "fences" and "poor roads" and other community services isolated rich and poor in same neighborhood.

Café Twin

Northern Virginia Ethical Society Meetup page (noves.org/meetup)
https://www.meetup.com/Northern-Virginia-Ethical-Society/
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TIRED OF BEING IN POVERTY??? GET E-TRADE.....

Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea have excellent income equality. Move there, you fucking hypocritical blowhard socialist douchebags!

Now THERE'S an original answer!

An occastional insult by a closed mind is ok in free society ?

When people start hurling insults at you, you know their minds are closed and there's no point in debating. You disengage yourself as quickly as possible from the situation.

Judith Martin

Also, just ignore any facts that don't support our socialist utopian view. Nevermind how socialism and it's false promises devastated economies in Venezuela, Greece, Italy, Spain and Ireland!

A quick jump in the difference between income and expenditure in the population led to a sudden increase in indicators in the general economy of the country, namely the differentiation of income. The profit of small business has increased this year, you can see these statistics on the website https://marketbusinessnews.com/financial-glossary/income-inequality/ and analyze the state and growth in the current time. Information that is useful for compiling statistics and reports on the results of the current financial year will help you understand the entire scope of the work done.