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PLATFORM ADDRESS - CHALLENGING SOCIAL LEGACY TO UNLOCK HUMAN POTENTIAL (Memory of R.E. Lee's Last Stand Petersburg, VA 1865 ?)
Posted by:
walden3twinfx
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Date: January 08, 2018 05:00AM
01/08/2018
Question: Question: Who was William T. Mahone Jr. (1826 –1895),
(Founder of Virginia State University at Petersburg, VA)
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Brenda Stith Finch, President of the Virginia State University Alumni Association, Northern VA Chapter, will discuss the legacy of Historically Black Colleges and their impact on the African American community today.
Sunday, January 14, 2018
11:00 AM-1:30 PM at Vienna, VA (Behind Amphora Restaurant)
https://www.meetup.com/Northern-Virginia-Ethical-Society/
Question: Question: Who was William T. Mahone Jr. (1826 –1895),
(Founder of Virginia State University at Petersburg, VA)
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Brenda Stith Finch, President of the Virginia State University Alumni Association, Northern VA Chapter, will discuss the legacy of Historically Black Colleges and their impact on the African American community today.
Sunday, January 14, 2018
11:00 AM-1:30 PM at Vienna, VA (Behind Amphora Restaurant)
https://www.meetup.com/Northern-Virginia-Ethical-Society/
Re: PLATFORM ADDRESS - CHALLENGING SOCIAL LEGACY TO UNLOCK HUMAN POTENTIAL (Memory of R.E. Lee's Last Stand Petersburg, VA 1865 ?)
Posted by:
walden3twinfx
()
Date: January 09, 2018 09:18AM
01/09/2018
3rd Option to historic preservation of historic railroad neighborhood where R.E.Lee made his last stand & today, 2018 +, is still a "renewal plan" YET TO COME !
Who was William T. Mahone Jr. (1826 –1895),
(Founder of Virginia State University at Petersburg, VA)
Date: January 08, 2018 05:00AM
https://lnkd.in/epYqYiq
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3rd Option to historic preservation of historic railroad neighborhood where R.E.Lee made his last stand & today, 2018 +, is still a "renewal plan" YET TO COME !
Who was William T. Mahone Jr. (1826 –1895),
(Founder of Virginia State University at Petersburg, VA)
Date: January 08, 2018 05:00AM
https://lnkd.in/epYqYiq
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Re: PLATFORM ADDRESS - CHALLENGING SOCIAL LEGACY TO UNLOCK HUMAN POTENTIAL (Memory of R.E. Lee's Last Stand Petersburg, VA 1865 ?)
Posted by:
Bill.N.
()
Date: January 09, 2018 01:36PM
I wonder if you really know who Billy Mahone was?
Re: PLATFORM ADDRESS - CHALLENGING SOCIAL LEGACY TO UNLOCK HUMAN POTENTIAL (Memory of R.E. Lee's Last Stand Petersburg, VA 1865 ?)
Posted by:
walden3twinfx
()
Date: January 10, 2018 08:41AM
01/10/2018
Who was William Mahone (1826-1895) in Virginia (19th Century) ?
The Key Founder of Virginia State University VSU.EDU
at Petersburg, VA
Summary: Civil Engineer, railroad executive, Confederate Generator, Virginia Politician
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he was nicknamed "Little Billy". As one of his soldiers put it, "He was every inch a soldier, though there were not many inches of him."
In the American Civil War, Mahone was pro-secession and served as a Confederate general. He was best known for regaining the initiative at Petersburg, when the Southern troops were in shock after a huge mine was exploded beneath them (Battle of the Crater, July 1864), and his counter-attack turned the engagement into a disastrous Union defeat.
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Returned to Railroading After Civil War (1862-1865)
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became the driving force in the linkage of N&P, South Side Railroad, and the Virginia and Tennessee Railroad. He was president of all three railroads by the end of 1867
From Wikipedia
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Who was William Mahone (1826-1895) in Virginia (19th Century) ?
The Key Founder of Virginia State University VSU.EDU
at Petersburg, VA
Summary: Civil Engineer, railroad executive, Confederate Generator, Virginia Politician
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he was nicknamed "Little Billy". As one of his soldiers put it, "He was every inch a soldier, though there were not many inches of him."
In the American Civil War, Mahone was pro-secession and served as a Confederate general. He was best known for regaining the initiative at Petersburg, when the Southern troops were in shock after a huge mine was exploded beneath them (Battle of the Crater, July 1864), and his counter-attack turned the engagement into a disastrous Union defeat.
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Returned to Railroading After Civil War (1862-1865)
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became the driving force in the linkage of N&P, South Side Railroad, and the Virginia and Tennessee Railroad. He was president of all three railroads by the end of 1867
From Wikipedia
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Re: PLATFORM ADDRESS - CHALLENGING SOCIAL LEGACY TO UNLOCK HUMAN POTENTIAL (Memory of R.E. Lee's Last Stand Petersburg, VA 1865 ?)
Posted by:
Bill.N.
()
Date: January 10, 2018 12:57PM
Based on that wikipedia-esque answer I am still in doubt.
Re: PLATFORM ADDRESS - CHALLENGING SOCIAL LEGACY TO UNLOCK HUMAN POTENTIAL (Memory of R.E. Lee's Last Stand Petersburg, VA 1865 ?)
Posted by:
Bill.N.
()
Date: January 11, 2018 11:46PM
Since you haven't responded I am guessing you don't know.
During the winter of 1860/1861, as states in the Deep South voted to leave the Union, most Virginians chose to stay. Sources indicate Mahone was in the minority who favored secession during the first secession round. He served the Confederacy loyally in the war. After the war he returned to his pre-war business of running railroads in southern Virginia. His expansion plans required he get control of the Virginia & Tennessee. Since the state owned 60% of the stock, gaining control meant getting in bed with the politicians in charge, who at that time were Republicans and their allies. So did he experience a "road to Damascus" moment, or was he just serving the interests of his new partners? Maybe that is the question your group should discuss.
Also if you are investigating Mahone, why not use a station that was connected with him? The one you pictured is the early 20th century replacement for the one that was there when Mahone was in power.
During the winter of 1860/1861, as states in the Deep South voted to leave the Union, most Virginians chose to stay. Sources indicate Mahone was in the minority who favored secession during the first secession round. He served the Confederacy loyally in the war. After the war he returned to his pre-war business of running railroads in southern Virginia. His expansion plans required he get control of the Virginia & Tennessee. Since the state owned 60% of the stock, gaining control meant getting in bed with the politicians in charge, who at that time were Republicans and their allies. So did he experience a "road to Damascus" moment, or was he just serving the interests of his new partners? Maybe that is the question your group should discuss.
Also if you are investigating Mahone, why not use a station that was connected with him? The one you pictured is the early 20th century replacement for the one that was there when Mahone was in power.
Re: PLATFORM ADDRESS - CHALLENGING SOCIAL LEGACY TO UNLOCK HUMAN POTENTIAL (Memory of R.E. Lee's Last Stand Petersburg, VA 1865 ?)
Posted by:
walden3twinfx
()
Date: January 12, 2018 06:53AM
01/12/2018
Re: PLATFORM ADDRESS - CHALLENGING SOCIAL LEGACY TO UNLOCK HUMAN POTENTIAL (Memory of R.E. Lee's Last Stand Petersburg, VA 1865 ?) new
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: January 11, 2018 11:46PM
Bill. N. Comment 01: His expansion plans required he get control of the Virginia & Tennessee. Since the state owned 60% of the stock, gaining control meant getting in bed with the politicians in charge, who at that time were Republicans and their allies. So did he experience a "road to Damascus" moment, or was he just serving the interests of his new partners? Maybe that is the question your group should discuss.
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Café Twin Conversation:
Bill N's hypothesis on William Mahone (1826-1895) railroad ambitions and respective motivation is worth pursuing from those who are interested in scholarly historical research, for example, the people at the American Civil War Museum (Richmond, VA) as a logical group.
To my knowledge no scholars from the American Civil War Museum ever posts stuff at Fairfax Underground. I would be willing to see if a scholar from this museum be willing to research and share finding on this topic with us in future ?
As far as "Road to Damascus" moment experience. This is tough to know. "Little Billy" was not known to be a particularly "spiritual man". He was a civil engineer by profession before the war, and before getting involved with railroad building.
But he obviously believed educating the "black" was important, post Civil War and this is why he took the initiative to catalyze starting VSU.EDU at Petersburg, VA.
By the way, it is not surprising Petersburg, VA was chosen as the location to start VSU.EDU. This location of the "Battle of The Crater" (July, 1864), where "Little Billy's leadership was instrumental for a Confederate victory, toward the end of the War.
But our topic is not about "Little Billy". It's about a "historical renovation" opportunity of a building that still lay dormant since R.E. Lee's forces left Petersburg, when defending Richmond, VA was no longer possible, after more than a year long defense from this Petersburg location.
The nearby Amtrack Rail Station today is primarily used the Students at VSU.EDU, family, friends, alumni, and others who come to VSU for various reasons. VSU recently completed a multimillion dollar "Indoor Multi-Use" Stadium. So in future, some Olympics and other regional sports events, such as Basketball, indoor track, music events, etc . will likely be done at this wonderful facility.
So, while all these "sports or music event visitors" come to VSU.EDU, wouldn't it make sense for them have the opportunity to visit a "Science & History" museum which VSU and Petersburg/Richmond community can take pride and honor the memories of America's past via "Science & History" at Petersburg Train Station ?
Café Twin
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Re: PLATFORM ADDRESS - CHALLENGING SOCIAL LEGACY TO UNLOCK HUMAN POTENTIAL (Memory of R.E. Lee's Last Stand Petersburg, VA 1865 ?) new
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: January 11, 2018 11:46PM
Bill. N. Comment 01: His expansion plans required he get control of the Virginia & Tennessee. Since the state owned 60% of the stock, gaining control meant getting in bed with the politicians in charge, who at that time were Republicans and their allies. So did he experience a "road to Damascus" moment, or was he just serving the interests of his new partners? Maybe that is the question your group should discuss.
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Café Twin Conversation:
Bill N's hypothesis on William Mahone (1826-1895) railroad ambitions and respective motivation is worth pursuing from those who are interested in scholarly historical research, for example, the people at the American Civil War Museum (Richmond, VA) as a logical group.
To my knowledge no scholars from the American Civil War Museum ever posts stuff at Fairfax Underground. I would be willing to see if a scholar from this museum be willing to research and share finding on this topic with us in future ?
As far as "Road to Damascus" moment experience. This is tough to know. "Little Billy" was not known to be a particularly "spiritual man". He was a civil engineer by profession before the war, and before getting involved with railroad building.
But he obviously believed educating the "black" was important, post Civil War and this is why he took the initiative to catalyze starting VSU.EDU at Petersburg, VA.
By the way, it is not surprising Petersburg, VA was chosen as the location to start VSU.EDU. This location of the "Battle of The Crater" (July, 1864), where "Little Billy's leadership was instrumental for a Confederate victory, toward the end of the War.
But our topic is not about "Little Billy". It's about a "historical renovation" opportunity of a building that still lay dormant since R.E. Lee's forces left Petersburg, when defending Richmond, VA was no longer possible, after more than a year long defense from this Petersburg location.
The nearby Amtrack Rail Station today is primarily used the Students at VSU.EDU, family, friends, alumni, and others who come to VSU for various reasons. VSU recently completed a multimillion dollar "Indoor Multi-Use" Stadium. So in future, some Olympics and other regional sports events, such as Basketball, indoor track, music events, etc . will likely be done at this wonderful facility.
So, while all these "sports or music event visitors" come to VSU.EDU, wouldn't it make sense for them have the opportunity to visit a "Science & History" museum which VSU and Petersburg/Richmond community can take pride and honor the memories of America's past via "Science & History" at Petersburg Train Station ?
Café Twin
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Re: PLATFORM ADDRESS - CHALLENGING SOCIAL LEGACY TO UNLOCK HUMAN POTENTIAL (Memory of R.E. Lee's Last Stand Petersburg, VA 1865 ?)
Posted by:
walden3twinfx
()
Date: January 12, 2018 06:57AM
01/12/2018
Brenda Stith Finch, President of the Virginia State University Alumni Association, Northern VA Chapter, will discuss the legacy of Historically Black Colleges and their impact on the African American community today.
Sunday, January 14, 2018
11:00 AM-1:30 PM at Vienna, VA (Behind Amphora Restaurant)
https://www.meetup.com/Northern-Virginia-Ethical-Society/
Brenda Stith Finch, President of the Virginia State University Alumni Association, Northern VA Chapter, will discuss the legacy of Historically Black Colleges and their impact on the African American community today.
Sunday, January 14, 2018
11:00 AM-1:30 PM at Vienna, VA (Behind Amphora Restaurant)
https://www.meetup.com/Northern-Virginia-Ethical-Society/
Re: PLATFORM ADDRESS - CHALLENGING SOCIAL LEGACY TO UNLOCK HUMAN POTENTIAL (Memory of R.E. Lee's Last Stand Petersburg, VA 1865 ?)
Posted by:
Bill.N.
()
Date: January 12, 2018 11:57AM
> But our topic is not about "Little Billy". It's
> about a "historical renovation" opportunity of a
> building that still lay dormant since R.E. Lee's
> forces left Petersburg, when defending Richmond,
> VA was no longer possible, after more than a year
> long defense from this Petersburg location.
Then why bring up Mahone in the first place? Also the railroad depot that you picture DOES NOT date from the Civil War. It is an early 20th century station that replaced the former Southside depot which dates from before the Civil War, and which is partially surviving today. This is what the Southside depot looks like today https://www.petersburgarea.org/attractions/south-side-depot .
> about a "historical renovation" opportunity of a
> building that still lay dormant since R.E. Lee's
> forces left Petersburg, when defending Richmond,
> VA was no longer possible, after more than a year
> long defense from this Petersburg location.
Then why bring up Mahone in the first place? Also the railroad depot that you picture DOES NOT date from the Civil War. It is an early 20th century station that replaced the former Southside depot which dates from before the Civil War, and which is partially surviving today. This is what the Southside depot looks like today https://www.petersburgarea.org/attractions/south-side-depot .
Re: PLATFORM ADDRESS - CHALLENGING SOCIAL LEGACY TO UNLOCK HUMAN POTENTIAL (Memory of R.E. Lee's Last Stand Petersburg, VA 1865 ?)
Posted by:
Rural Psychiatric
()
Date: January 12, 2018 12:16PM
So Walden3PO, when did you get out of Eastern State?
Did a relative have to take responsibility for you, and guarantee that you would receive proper psychiatric care once discharged?
Did a relative have to take responsibility for you, and guarantee that you would receive proper psychiatric care once discharged?
Re: PLATFORM ADDRESS - CHALLENGING SOCIAL LEGACY TO UNLOCK HUMAN POTENTIAL (Memory of R.E. Lee's Last Stand Petersburg, VA 1865 ?)
Posted by:
walden3twinfx
()
Date: January 12, 2018 01:55PM
01/12/2013
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: January 12, 2018 11:57AM
Then why bring up Mahone in the first place?
Conversation: Mahone's contribution to starting VSU.EDU at Petersburg is not often remembered today, and in the context of the Civil War in the last days.
He did surrender with Robert E. Lee, at the Appomatox Courthouse, few weeks after the last stand at this South Side Rail Station, located not far from the VSU.EDU main campus, and currently used AMTRACK Rail Station.
Yes, having a "Science & History Museum" that helps to educate "Sports" and "Music" visitors to VSU.EDU's new "Multi-Use Stadium" surely will bring value to educating the public and motivating the next generation about knowledge and pain that still remains not only among Afro-Americans but families of both South and North, five generations later, today, 2018+.
"Science" alone is not enough, for Virginia's knowledge economy of 21st Century going forward, Music, History and Arts are all part of the education challenge ahead, be it at VSU.EDU, or other great universities, such as VCU.EDU at Richmond and GMU.EDU.
GMU here at Northern Virginia (that once was a campus of UVA.EDU at Charlottesville, VA , as recent as 1957 !
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Human progress is neither automatic nor inevitable... Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Note; But Memory of "Petersburg Crater" should not be forgotten in America . Make sense ?
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Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: January 12, 2018 11:57AM
Then why bring up Mahone in the first place?
Conversation: Mahone's contribution to starting VSU.EDU at Petersburg is not often remembered today, and in the context of the Civil War in the last days.
He did surrender with Robert E. Lee, at the Appomatox Courthouse, few weeks after the last stand at this South Side Rail Station, located not far from the VSU.EDU main campus, and currently used AMTRACK Rail Station.
Yes, having a "Science & History Museum" that helps to educate "Sports" and "Music" visitors to VSU.EDU's new "Multi-Use Stadium" surely will bring value to educating the public and motivating the next generation about knowledge and pain that still remains not only among Afro-Americans but families of both South and North, five generations later, today, 2018+.
"Science" alone is not enough, for Virginia's knowledge economy of 21st Century going forward, Music, History and Arts are all part of the education challenge ahead, be it at VSU.EDU, or other great universities, such as VCU.EDU at Richmond and GMU.EDU.
GMU here at Northern Virginia (that once was a campus of UVA.EDU at Charlottesville, VA , as recent as 1957 !
======================================================================
Human progress is neither automatic nor inevitable... Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Note; But Memory of "Petersburg Crater" should not be forgotten in America . Make sense ?
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