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What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: HS Football mom ()
Date: October 06, 2017 02:45PM

My son is talking about joining his friends in kneeling during the national anthem at tonight's game. I told him it might not be a good idea considering what happened to those players in Texas last week. I've tried contacting the coach several times on this but he won't respond. I called the principal's office and they told me to call the main FCPS office. I called the main FCPS number and they said to check with the school's administration. Complete run-around. The game is tonight and I really need clarification if it's okay for him to do this without risking disciplinary actions.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Hey Mom... ()
Date: October 06, 2017 03:02PM

...it's OK if you get on your knees and...start sucking. Dumbass Lib.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: HS Football mom ()
Date: October 06, 2017 04:17PM

I knew I shouldn't have posted here. I thought maybe for once there might be a serious response to a question.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: There Is Serious Response Here ()
Date: October 06, 2017 04:39PM

A good slap across the punks face for starts..And pull him off the antifa team for even thinking about such a Anti American Action..Take him to Arlington Cemetery to think about it..And YOU GO Too for even considering letting him do it..After the Vegas Tragedy.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Your fault ()
Date: October 06, 2017 04:43PM

You have failed as a parent.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: dfer ()
Date: October 06, 2017 04:50PM

If your kid had any sense, he'd keep out of his teammate's political gesture. Instead of hemming and hawing about it, knock some fucking sense into him and point out to him their could be consequences to him taking a knee, regardless of what FCPS' policy on the matter is. He's there to play football, not play civil rights activist, or make his friends feel better about whatever "movement" they think they are a part of.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Football HS Mom ()
Date: October 06, 2017 04:54PM

I've tried my best to encourage him not to participate. I was hoping the school would provide some guidance that would support me. Clearly they're skirting the issue. I think part of the problem is also that my son spends every other week with my ex-husband and he leans way left so I'm sure he's putting all kinds of ideas in his head. I'm going to the game tonight and will try to really impress upon him not to do it.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Dr Doctor MD ()
Date: October 06, 2017 06:15PM

anti-American? Me thinks your replica 60's era construction hat is wee bit tight.
This whole country is found on, aside from slavery and attempted genocide of First Nations, protest, dissent and acts thereof. What you are proposing is forced guilt.

Or you could go with:

If "Red Skins" is an Honor, how can kneeling be disrespectful? That,or you guys have been doing it wrong every week (and possibly twice on Sundays) since forever.

Seriously. Try having a meaningful talk with, not at, your kid. An ernest discussion on the subject and the many other issues surrounding it. This is where you voice your opinions and explain why you hold them seeing as, motivation notwithstanding, he's exercising the freedom that, as you tuff nuts are so won't to point out, Arlington Cemetery represents; Or do you, like hard ball here, rather have a lapdog that just follows along with whomever yells the loudest rather than develope into a person capable of thought, reason and self direction?

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: DanKnows ()
Date: October 08, 2017 09:33AM

Here's a solution. Stop playing the National Anthem before games! This is a sporting event, not an effing political rally! But, if it is,played, who the eff cares? Kneel, stand, scratch your crouch, pick your nose.....

I'm an old guy, Vietnam vet, and just don't care anymore. And, go ahead and do away with the massive flag on the field, fly overs, airborne parachute drops. (Except, I'd bet anything those guys that do land on the field start hitting on one of the cheerleaders after they're off the field and most likely will get a great BJ after the game!) "AIRBORNE"

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: dr floyd ()
Date: October 08, 2017 10:18AM

You need to step up as a parent. First of all, is your son white?
I believe he must be black because I've only seen niggers kneeling and sitting during the anthem. So, if your son is black, tell him his black ass better be standing for the anthem, or you will come down on the field and whip is ass.
However,if your son is white, you may have a bigger problem; namely, homosexuality.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Dr.Detroit ()
Date: October 08, 2017 10:35AM

Tell him not to take a knee, that half breed kaepernick is a full on hypocrite... especially if you're white ..don't support the BLM agenda they definitely don't support any other races
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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: This ()
Date: October 08, 2017 03:52PM

I do believe they've been told not to interfere. It's quite risky in this area however. Want to play anywhere else? Tow the line and stand with respect.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: William Moreno aka Miz ()
Date: October 08, 2017 05:33PM

I kneel when I suck sock! If the National Anthem happens to be playing when I'm sucking, I swallow.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Huh??? ()
Date: October 08, 2017 08:25PM

Why the fuck do you need to "look for guidance" from the school to raise your child and teach them the difference between right and wrong. You have two choices...

Either tell your son to stand for the National Anthem and ignore the shit that cops do to niggers in this country or...

Tell your son to grab a knee and make a spectacle of themselves whilst and at the same time, disrespecting the flag, our country and the servicemen and servicewomen who died for this country.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: banddad ()
Date: October 08, 2017 08:31PM

If your kid is disrespecting the national anthem while my kid is playing it with the band.... look out. I'm raising hell right then and there on the spot and it's gonna get ugly. FCPS will have something to deal with.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Leftist.Gorilla ()
Date: October 08, 2017 09:58PM

banddad Wrote:
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> If your kid is disrespecting the national anthem
> while my kid is playing it with the band.... look
> out. I'm raising hell right then and there on the
> spot and it's gonna get ugly. FCPS will have
> something to deal with.

Mike Pence? Is that you?

Pack a lunch and a gun, bitch...

A person's right to kneel during the anthem doesn't permit you to assault them. You're welcome to disagree and voice that disagreement...and that's the end of it.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Rightist.Gorilla ()
Date: October 08, 2017 10:19PM

Leftist.Gorilla Wrote:
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> A person's right to kneel during the anthem
> doesn't permit you to assault them. You're welcome
> to disagree and voice that disagreement...and
> that's the end of it.

I didn't see anything about assault. That's the anti.american.bitter.loser.leftist approach.

No. If his kid doesn't have the right to religious expression at school - hell, your kid doesn't have the right to political demonstrations at a taxpayer funded event.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Leftist.Gorilla ()
Date: October 09, 2017 08:51AM

Rightist.Gorilla Wrote:
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> Leftist.Gorilla Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > A person's right to kneel during the anthem
> > doesn't permit you to assault them. You're
> welcome
> > to disagree and voice that disagreement...and
> > that's the end of it.
>
> I didn't see anything about assault. That's the
> anti.american.bitter.loser.leftist approach.
>
> No. If his kid doesn't have the right to
> religious expression at school - hell, your kid
> doesn't have the right to political demonstrations
> at a taxpayer funded event.

C'mon...just stop...you're not even trying...you're embarrassing yourself.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Seriouslynow ()
Date: October 09, 2017 05:35PM

What does a student in this area have to protest? I'm looking to recruit. I don't want to see anyone taking a knee or honking arms in some pathetic attempt to protest something. Do what you've been taught to do faithfully and with pride.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: causeican ()
Date: October 09, 2017 05:59PM

Huh??? Wrote:
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> Why the fuck do you need to "look for guidance"
> from the school to raise your child and teach them
> the difference between right and wrong. You have
> two choices...
>
> Either tell your son to stand for the National
> Anthem and ignore the shit that cops do to niggers
> in this country or...
>
> Tell your son to grab a knee and make a spectacle
> of themselves whilst and at the same time,
> disrespecting the flag, our country and the
> servicemen and servicewomen who died for this
> country.

what do cops do to niggers? Are you talking about criminal niggers or innocent black people? If there is a real issue about police molesting innocent people, show me the facts? I want to know?

soul bro 1, you there? Do you got any data/facts on this? or is this just a feeling thing? you know it cause you feel it or your mama told you or your grandpappy? Link with some reliable facts or it isn’t happening?

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: BureauOfStatistics... ()
Date: October 09, 2017 06:22PM

causeican Wrote:
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> Huh??? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why the fuck do you need to "look for guidance"
> > from the school to raise your child and teach
> them
> > the difference between right and wrong. You
> have
> > two choices...
> >
> > Either tell your son to stand for the National
> > Anthem and ignore the shit that cops do to
> niggers
> > in this country or...
> >
> > Tell your son to grab a knee and make a
> spectacle
> > of themselves whilst and at the same time,
> > disrespecting the flag, our country and the
> > servicemen and servicewomen who died for this
> > country.
>
> what do cops do to niggers? Are you talking about
> criminal niggers or innocent black people? If
> there is a real issue about police molesting
> innocent people, show me the facts? I want to
> know?
>
> soul bro 1, you there? Do you got any data/facts
> on this? or is this just a feeling thing? you
> know it cause you feel it or your mama told you or
> your grandpappy? Link with some reliable facts or
> it isn’t happening?


https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

Boom...it's happening, faggot.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: seniorfootballplayer ()
Date: October 10, 2017 10:28AM

my coach said we have the right to neal and he has the right to suspend us from the team
noone neals lol

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Grmvh ()
Date: October 10, 2017 03:26PM

banddad Wrote:
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> If your kid is disrespecting the national anthem
> while my kid is playing it with the band.... look
> out. I'm raising hell right then and there on the
> spot and it's gonna get ugly. FCPS will have
> something to deal with.


Your kid is in the band....

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Hfbbj ()
Date: October 10, 2017 03:28PM

HS Football mom Wrote:
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> My son is talking about joining his friends in
> kneeling during the national anthem at tonight's
> game. I told him it might not be a good idea
> considering what happened to those players in
> Texas last week. I've tried contacting the coach
> several times on this but he won't respond. I
> called the principal's office and they told me to
> call the main FCPS office. I called the main FCPS
> number and they said to check with the school's
> administration. Complete run-around. The game is
> tonight and I really need clarification if it's
> okay for him to do this without risking
> disciplinary actions.


Why woukd you let your kid play football and risk permanent injury?

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: RecruitersSayStand ()
Date: October 10, 2017 09:11PM

When I come watch you play, you better be standing out of respect. What does a high school player have to protest anyway? Hand on your heart because I'm not interested in controversy out of you.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: vpfcb ()
Date: October 12, 2017 01:05AM

buy him a really cool California skateboard

his knees will be so bloody he won't be able to kneel for a while!

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: DanKnows ()
Date: October 14, 2017 09:42AM

Read this on another thread, but makes the most sense yet. If football players really want to protest, instead of kneeling during or in addition to the National Anthem, kneel during the game! In the pros, jeopardize those multi million dollar contracts, in college and high school the schools would lose revenues.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Some actual facts ()
Date: October 14, 2017 08:18PM

FCPS policy states that teachers, coaches, or administrators cannot force students to stands or participate in the national anthem or pledge of allegiance. Principals and Athletic directors have been reminded of this as a result of the current political climate.

However, those who are disruptive during the anthem or pledge can be asked to leave the event or classroom. So, the kid who takes a knee - completely his right. The dickbag who gets rowdy because someone takes a knee while the anthem is played - he will be asked to leave. Just the way it should be.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: metalhead ()
Date: October 16, 2017 05:13PM

Football HS Mom Wrote:
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> I've tried my best to encourage him not to
> participate. I was hoping the school would provide
> some guidance that would support me. Clearly
> they're skirting the issue. I think part of the
> problem is also that my son spends every other
> week with my ex-husband and he leans way left so
> I'm sure he's putting all kinds of ideas in his
> head. I'm going to the game tonight and will try
> to really impress upon him not to do it.

I'm sorry to hear that your ex-husband is some loser liberal who probably worships at the altar of Bernie Sanders.
Try to press upon your son that it is not okay in any way shape or form to disrespect our national anthem or the American flag, plain and simple.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: metalhead ()
Date: October 16, 2017 05:19PM

Dr Doctor MD Wrote:
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> anti-American? Me thinks your replica 60's era
> construction hat is wee bit tight.
> This whole country is found on, aside from slavery
> and attempted genocide of First Nations, protest,
> dissent and acts thereof. What you are proposing
> is forced guilt.


Well well well another typical liberal who has to be politically correct at all times. Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back...
And let me fill you in on something for a moment, the Vikings were in America before many American Indian tribes. And the American Indian came over across the beringia trail from Russia to modern-day Alaska. So you can put aside the whole "first nations" language...

Oh and by the way, if the Redskins name/logo offends you, you really shouldn't go to Cleveland either...
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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: metalhead ()
Date: October 16, 2017 05:25PM

Huh??? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why the fuck do you need to "look for guidance"
> from the school to raise your child and teach them
> the difference between right and wrong. You have
> two choices...
>
> Either tell your son to stand for the National
> Anthem and ignore the shit that cops do to niggers
> in this country or...
>
> Tell your son to grab a knee and make a spectacle
> of themselves whilst and at the same time,
> disrespecting the flag, our country and the
> servicemen and servicewomen who died for this
> country.

Well your statement is somewhat mixed...
I certainly hope you are not trying to imply that cops are indiscriminately arresting and using Force against black males for zero reason whatsoever...
And yes, the American flag should always be respected.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/16/2017 05:29PM by metalhead.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: aaaa ()
Date: October 17, 2017 10:53PM

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Fellow concerned parent ()
Date: October 19, 2017 09:32AM

Here is the FCPS guidance as provided by our principal:

"Staff or Students Choosing to Kneel or Sit During the Pledge of Allegiance or National Anthem

We have received reports that teachers and students are sitting or kneeling for the Pledge of Allegiance. We provide this guidance, and reminder of existing FCPS policy and regulation, in the event that teachers or students at your school are engaging in such activity during the school day, or if they refuse to stand for the national anthem at school-sponsored athletic events. Under federal and state law, teachers and students do not lose their First Amendment rights when they enter the school house door. Consistent with that, FCPS Policy 1352 permits students and teachers not to participate during the Pledge of Allegiance. If a teacher declines to lead the students in the Pledge, you may have an administrator or another teacher lead the students in the Pledge. Similarly, if coaches or players refuse to stand during the national anthem, they should be permitted to do so, but another coach or administrator may stand with those team members who wish to stand. A coach should not require or encourage his players to sit or kneel for the national anthem. That is an individual decision to be made by the player and his/her family.

As provided in Policy 1352, “no student shall be subjected to unfavorable comment or stigmatization of his or her decision to participate or abstain from the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. Nonparticipating students are expected to sit quietly, or to stand silently if they want, during the Pledge and to engage in no disrupting or distracting activity. No disciplinary sanction may be imposed for refusal to participate in saying the Pledge; however, willful disruption or interference with the exercise of pledging allegiance by others may result in the same disciplinary measures accorded to other instances of classroom disruption in school.”

If a teacher or other staff member is going beyond refusing to participate in the Pledge and is using time during the Pledge to disrupt the Pledge or other time during the instructional day to state their personal political views, that is not permitted and could be cause for disciplinary action. All employees of FCPS, including teachers, are expected to use non-work time and personal resources to advocate their personal political views.

The preparation for effective citizenship includes the study of issues that are controversial. The study of controversial issues shall be conducted in an atmosphere in which knowledge can be freely imparted and the critical thinking of students can be developed through research and classroom discussion within the guidelines of the Program of Studies. Teachers should follow the procedures outlined in Regulation 3280 for how to best deal with controversial topics in the instructional program.

The previously mentioned policy and regulations can be found at the links.

http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=867S9S2A6763

http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=867SLM2A919B"

I am still uncertain that the guidance is legal based on the US Flag Code (UNITED STATES CODE-TITLE 36-CHAPTER 10) which is federal law

As a veteran, I support everyone's right to protest as an individual - assuming they are willing to accept the consequences of their protest.

As a team member, especially in uniform, you need to understand you are representing something bigger and it is not about you as an individual.

Try to share with your son some truth:
1. You will never earn respect for yourself or your cause by dishonoring someone else.
2. The history and the true meaning behind the flag - several websites dedicated to this effort including http://www.usflag.org/colors.html
3. The history of the National Anthem - it was written in 1814 after most of DC was burned by the British as a call to unify the country. (Interesting to note the person who wrote it was politically opposed to the current president.) It is a call to honor everything that unites us and recognize those who have served to keep us free.

Stand for the flag and for the National Anthem. If you really feel strongly about an issue DO something that will actually make a difference. Get involved locally, get an education, petition to change legislation, and vote when you are 18. That is your right as an American citizen...and yes...your are welcome...

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: ycmck ()
Date: October 19, 2017 09:39AM

Every country in the world has a national flag and a national anthem. It is just common decency to stand at attention and show respect.

No one in their right mind would possibly interpret standing at attention and respect to the national anthem/flag as 100% lock-step support of every politician, public policy or occurrences that happen within that country.

Are people really that stupid that they think if someone stands for the National Anthem that they support police brutality? JFC, of course not. This is just political silliness.

Both sides just need to shut up and go away. Trump and BLM. What a world we live in.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Fellow concerned parent ()
Date: October 19, 2017 09:53AM

You have been given the right to protest according to the First Amendment through the blood of those you are dishonoring.

You have not been given the right to avoid consequence.If your conviction isn't strong enough to withstand the fallout, then perhaps it is faux outrage...

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Read the code before you post ()
Date: October 19, 2017 10:26AM

The US flag code says "should". Not "must". Not "under possibility of penalty". Should. Please read the code before citing it. There are no consequences - implicit or explicit - in the US Flag Code.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Fellow concerned parent ()
Date: October 19, 2017 12:03PM

To "Read the code before you post":

I did read the code as well as the two FCPS regulations. I am not a lawyer and that is why I wrote I am uncertain the guidance is legal.

Thank you for the clarification and lesson in semantics. I agree there are no consequences - implicit or explicit - in the US Flag Code. It is up to the State to determine if penalties apply.

Thanks for the opportunity to dig a bit further. As I did, it occured to me that the FCPS policy cited only refers to the Pledge of Allegiance - not the National Anthem.

Which leads to looking at Virginia Code. What I found was Code of Virginia» Title 22.1. Education » Chapter 13. Programs, Courses of Instruction and Textbooks » § 22.1-202. Instruction in history and principles of flags of United States and Virginia; pledge of allegiance to American flag; guidelines developed by the Board

Which also appears to only be about the pledge until I reached this paragraph...

"The Board's guidelines shall include, but shall not be limited to, provisions which address the following: the initiative and involvement of local school boards, individual schools, administrators, teachers, and students; the propriety and constitutionality of any recitation or participation requirements; appropriate etiquette and conventions for respecting the dignity and appropriate display of the flag of the United States and the flag of the Commonwealth; and relevant state and federal constitutional concerns, such as freedom of speech and religion."

Does this mean the School Board can develop new policy outside of the pledge and extend to the anthem?

If it does mean the school board can make new policy that includes the anthem, or amend the current policy that exists for the pledge to include the anthem, it would make sense that the following paragraph would also apply:

"These guidelines shall not be subject to the requirements of the Administrative Process Act (§ 2.2-4000 et seq.). However, to provide appropriate opportunity for involvement by the general public, teachers, and local school boards, the Board of Education shall conduct public hearings prior to establishing such guidelines. Thirty days prior to conducting such hearings, the Board shall give written notice by mail of the date, time, and place of the hearings to all local school boards and any other persons requesting to be notified of the hearings and publish notice of its intention to hold such hearings in the Virginia Register of Regulations. Interested parties shall be given reasonable opportunity to be heard and present information prior to the adoption of such guidelines."

I don't remember a public hearing on including the anthem in this policy. But that is what I will be researching next...

But wait...does "shall" mean "must"? There is an ongoing debate...but here is one interpretation. When used in statutes, contracts, or the like, the word "shall" is generally imperative or mandatory.[Independent School Dist. v. Independent School Dist., 170 N.W.2d 433, 440 (Minn. 1969)]

Again, I am not a lawyer and I am not attempting to provide legal opinion. I am just trying to figure out the truth about what is being presented by the school system.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Why Trash ()
Date: October 19, 2017 12:49PM

You better keep an eye on your kid: He'll keep following the NFL niggers and start raping, rioting, robbing, etc.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Pritchard ()
Date: October 19, 2017 01:02PM

Class of 73 here.

I was attending a football game during my senior year and met up with a girl I knew. She drug me under the bleachers and was giving me a blow job while the anthem was playing and I encouraged her to stay on her knees and she did. She finished me off just as the game was starting and went back to sit with her parents.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: Inquisitive One ()
Date: October 19, 2017 01:59PM

I am sure that they are all for it as long as the kneel-er is giving head while kneeling.

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: What HS does your son attend ()
Date: October 19, 2017 09:37PM

What did the team and him end up doing that night?
And what are their plans for tomorrow night"s game?
I've been to 7 high school games this year and no one
on my son's team has knelt or sat. I would be upset
if they did. Many of the claims by BLM are false.
For instance "Hands Up Don't Shoot" never happened -
see the testimony of the witnesses there that night.
They testified in front of the grand jury that he did
not say that but the Liberal press forced that narrative.
Stick to the facts! Just one example....plenty more ....

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Re: What's the FCPS policy on kneeling during the national anthem?
Posted by: MilfUlator ()
Date: October 20, 2017 10:05AM

HS mom do you enjoy anal? If so lets meet up and I can assure when I'm done with you won't give a shit what FCPS policy is.

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