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Re: LIST OF ALL CONGRESSPEOPLE PREVENTING ACA REPEAL/REPLACE
Posted by: BIG CAPITAL LETTERS ()
Date: July 26, 2017 03:07PM

TO BE ALL VOTED OUT Wrote:
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> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/us/
> politics/senate-votes-repeal-obamacare.html
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> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/us/
> politics/senate-vote-republican-health-care-bill.h
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I'll be voting out the fucktards that have been trying for 7 years and don't even have a replacement.

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Re: LIST OF ALL CONGRESSPEOPLE PREVENTING ACA REPEAL/REPLACE
Posted by: Sdggtd ()
Date: July 26, 2017 04:14PM

My heroes!

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Re: LIST OF ALL CONGRESSPEOPLE PREVENTING ACA REPEAL/REPLACE
Posted by: phelpsmarc ()
Date: July 27, 2017 11:16AM

The essential problem is there is a divide within the Republican Party on this issue and which is causing major problems.

There are essentially three factions:

Those like Rand Paul (the most conservative) who are sticking to their guns and basically not changing his stance since 2015, when the Republicans voted to repeal Obamacare. He and some others are amenable to a repeal, without having a replacement ready, if that replacement legislation does not make certain changes to Obamacare.

The second faction (the most moderate) is ready to repeal and replace with the legislation as is.

The third faction (the most liberal) thinks the Republican plan makes to many changes to Obamacare

The Democrats are virtually unanimously against any form of Repeal/Replace even though Obamacare has skyrocketed costs for many in the Middle Class.

So, not enough of Republicans in factions 1 and 3 have been swayed by faction 2, and the Democrats are basically a constant.

Tweaking the plan one way or the other alienates x number of Republicans in factions 1 and 3. A balance cannot be struck, as of yet.

That's why a simple repeal should be the best option, in my view.

But, politically, it likely would not be.

Obamacare would implode and in an ideal world (made up of people who actually know what is going on) the Democrats would look bad because they put it in place.

But, the MSM would spin it so that Republicans take the blame. They will say Obamacare was fine and the Republicans messed up by repealing it without a replacement ready to be put in place.

So, the Republicans are in a tough spot, politically - even though the Dems put Obamacare in place and none want to change it, even though it sucks for taxpayers.



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 07/27/2017 11:28AM by phelpsmarc.

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Re: LIST OF ALL CONGRESSPEOPLE PREVENTING ACA REPEAL/REPLACE
Posted by: ed3uj ()
Date: July 27, 2017 11:48AM

There is 1 factor preventing repeal.

Fear of mainstream lobby groups/media fake news against them for supporting the repeal.

They are spineless self interest serving politicians who don't care about the people who are suffering because of ACA.

Having "health coverage" is not the same as having "health insurance".

Having health insurance at >12k/year cost, 18k/year deductible means the forced purchase of health insurance means you have nothing left over to actually pay to get health care.

Having ACA Health Insurance /= having Health Care

Repeal. Then debate options which are not "insurance subsidies", but real options that don't ultimately inflate the cost of insurance.

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