Where's better?

Virginia doesn't have the ridiculous taxes that Maryland has. Plus, our gun laws aren't anywhere near as restrictive as Maryland's, yet we only have a fraction of their crime.

It all depends where in Maryland. Montgomery county is nice almost like fairfax but it is expensive to live there in many parts except way out towards gaithersburg. PG county is basically for anyone who can't afford to live in Virginia or Montgomery Co. PG has terrible schools and government.

Virginia is more conservative and has more jobs and better quaility of life probably overall, although montgomery county is pretty nice if you have the dough.

DC is where the action is.

ian l Wrote:
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> It all depends where in Maryland. Montgomery
> county is nice almost like fairfax but it is
> expensive to live there in many parts except way
> out towards gaithersburg. PG county is basically
> for anyone who can't afford to live in Virginia or
> Montgomery Co. PG has terrible schools and
> government.
>
> Virginia is more conservative and has more jobs
> and better quaility of life probably overall,
> although montgomery county is pretty nice if you
> have the dough.
>
> DC is where the action is.


Fuck Montgomery County I hate that place, speed and red light cameras everywhere, and the county imposes their own income tax on you though, I would live there over PG in a second.

I guess one nice thing is they have nicer and better laid out roads than nova.

Every single Maryland driver is fucking terrible.

Thats what MD drivers say about DC drivers LOL

Snoopy Wrote:
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> Thats what MD drivers say about DC drivers LOL


As you see, there is a totem pole hierarchy in play here. VA is at the top, MD is VA's Bitch, and D.C. is Maryland's Garbage Dump. Therefore, D.C. is the place that VA's Bitch took a Dump on.

I have lived in both states. Montgomery is alot like Arlington county than Ffx, because it attracts mostly top gov't officials and high priced lawyers and other professions with serious money. Charles county is not bad if you don't mind racist redneck Sheriff Deputies pulling you for retarded shit. PG is for those that are into general crime, gun running, drug dealers and just general mayhem. It does some exclusive enclaves with million dollar mansions though. It all depends what ur looking for and how much ur willing to pay. Everything is relative, I know Marylanders that would not think twice about Virginia, and vice versa.

Kitt Wrote:
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> I have lived in both states. Montgomery is alot
> like Arlington county than Ffx, because it
> attracts mostly top gov't officials and high
> priced lawyers and other professions with serious
> money. Charles county is not bad if you don't mind
> racist redneck Sheriff Deputies pulling you for
> retarded shit. PG is for those that are into
> general crime, gun running, drug dealers and just
> general mayhem. It does some exclusive enclaves
> with million dollar mansions though. It all
> depends what ur looking for and how much ur
> willing to pay. Everything is relative, I know
> Marylanders that would not think twice about
> Virginia, and vice versa.


I'm not sure that I'm catching you correctly, but you say that MoCo is more like Arlington, as opposed to Ffx, because it attracts Top Level Government Officials? If so, then you haven't seen much of Ffx.

what the fuck, is this a joke? Any state with accents like maryland (especially Bal-T-More), you should stay far away from.

Virginia overall, but there are parts of Maryland that are very nice. Virginia is better because of taxes. But if you have to commute into DC, Maryland seems to be a better commute because of the amount of roads that lead into DC compared to Virginia.

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I've lived in MD, DC, and VA. No place is "better" than the other. It all depends on what your expectations are.

If you like living in an urban environment but live in Burke, you'd be disappointed. If your job is near Dulles and you want an easy commute from Rockville, you'll be disappointed.

It depends on what you want and where you work.

I disagree with the comparison "Montgomery county is alot like Arlington". Arlington is a city. Parts of MontCo like downtown Bethesda or Silver Spring might resemble Arlington, but as a whole, it's far from it. The northern part of MontCo is sort of rural, more rural than any part of Arlington (or even Fairfax for that matter).

PG County gets a bad rap (deservedly) for high crime, but not all of it is "ghetto". I lived in a nice part of Greenbelt for a few years, it was no different than living in the suburbs here in Fairfax.

Stay away from Maryland. Most parts of it are ghetto, and so are the people who live there. Besides Bethesda don't go anywhere in MD!

Isn't virginia turning just as ghetto?

I lived in Montgomery County for a year and won't be moving back.

They place restrictions on apartment complexes that force them to rent to a certain number of low-income people. I toured an apartment in a higher-end complex, with a sauna, workout room, nice landscaping, etc. When I went back the following day, I was told I shouldn't have been shown that unit because it was reserved for low-income. It was the only unit available too. It really pissed me off for a number of reasons.

Their taxes are high so they can support Baltimore (urban welfare)

The restaurants are way better in Fairfax than Montgomery county, IMO.

270 and the "rockville rollercoaster" section of 495 are terrible.

They have heavy zoning and building restrictions that force more density in a smaller area, which is nice for the rich people in the outer county, not really so nice for the rest of us.

Its boring as hell. Whomever said Montgomery County was like Arlington County has no clue.

The MD "BMV" is far, far worse than the VA DMV. Not only do they treat you like shit, but Maryland licenses weren't even valid forms of state ID in other states because so many Illegals get MD licenses. I know that in the Gaithersburg BMV, they had a special section just set up for hispanics/illegals/foreign-nationals/whatever. Their line moved much faster than ours too.

MD Drivers.

no 2 md, you must not get around much. that kind of low-income apartment is found all around this county.

oh, and our taxes are high so we can support the rest of VA.

Multiple roads in Fairfax are actually less passable than 270 at it's worst.

We have absurd zoning and building rules... pretty much every place in the civilized world does now, also.

But, you got the rest right (or I can't dispute it). The MVA is crap, Montgomery has very little to do, and I have never eaten there, despite thousands of trips.

Conclusion: Fairfax sucks too.

Is this a fucking joke? Fairfax has arguably the best schools in the nation, not to mention TJ- THE best public school on earth. Good schools mean smarter kids which means better quality of life for everyone. Conclusion: Fuck RESton peace, Fairfax is the best.

well that was such a well-formed argument... I feel quite rebuked.

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> well that was such a well-formed argument... I
> feel quite rebuked.

Rebuked indeed.

Both MD and VA suck! Trust me they are both full of illegal immigrants who don't speak the chosen language we Americans speak or pay any public taxes on the money they earn. Just sales tax and that get thier clothes from thrift stores and there's no food tax so like I said NO TAXES. They want us to translate evrything for them and they dont want to integrate into our society but want to display Mexican flags all the time with no American flag ever in sight. Plus if you get one of those filthy familys move right next to you, all of the sudden your home gets invaded by bed bugs and you must throw away all your furniture. How nice huh? and how about throwing away all the new furniture you just bought because your" new nieghbors" never took care of thier original infestation and new bugs just walk right over to your house and reinfest all your new furniture and bedding. because these people are used to sleeping in barns and in cardboard boxes and under bridges and stuff. Sound like a problem you want? Well then stay the he'll outta md and va because the cockroaches have arrived.

I like guns so VA is a paradise compared to MD. The Moco schools are slightly higher ranked than Fairfax but both districts are still very very good.

There are actually some really cheap nice homes in Clinton MD that I'm almost half considering because they're so cheap, but.. 1.it's in PG and 2.I work in Reston.

Mofo Wrote:
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> There are actually some really cheap nice homes in
> Clinton MD that I'm almost half considering
> because they're so cheap, but.. 1.it's in PG and
> 2.I work in Reston.


It's funny that it being PG is reason #1 and the commute from hell is reason #2 why you wouldn't live there.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> I've lived in MD, DC, and VA. No place is
> "better" than the other. It all depends on what
> your expectations are.
>
> If you like living in an urban environment but
> live in Burke, you'd be disappointed. If your job
> is near Dulles and you want an easy commute from
> Rockville, you'll be disappointed.
>
> It depends on what you want and where you work.
>
> I disagree with the comparison "Montgomery county
> is alot like Arlington". Arlington is a city.
> Parts of MontCo like downtown Bethesda or Silver
> Spring might resemble Arlington, but as a whole,
> it's far from it. The northern part of MontCo is
> sort of rural, more rural than any part of
> Arlington (or even Fairfax for that matter).
>
> PG County gets a bad rap (deservedly) for high
> crime, but not all of it is "ghetto". I lived in
> a nice part of Greenbelt for a few years, it was
> no different than living in the suburbs here in
> Fairfax.

Meeper, I lived in Greenbelt too for eight years back in the late 70's-early
80's. As one of the original owners at Greenbriar, I was very happy at first. Great neighbors, (mostly NASA employees) easy commute to downtown DC, plenty
of shopping conveniences nearby and I was a night student at the U. of Md.
Over a period of five years, I watched Greenbelt go to Hell in a handbasket. Original owners had to actually live in a unit for one full year before they could rent it out, but when that date arrived, renters (mostly who had lived
in DC previously) began ruining the atmosphere in the condo's. First I noticed
people emptying their car ashtrays in the parking lot. Then, it was gangs of
teenagers breaking into cars. After that, there were breakins, muggings, and
any storage area on the bottom floor would be cleaned out if you left anything
of value visible. At the same time, the Greenbelt Police were overwhelmed
by the sudden increase in crime. Armed robberies started occurring which was
rare for Greenbelt then and if they did occurr, it was usually someone not
from. I moved from there to South Arlington and then again, watched things go
down the tubes within eight years so I moved to Fairfax. What's next? Do I
move to Butte, Montana? Do you remember when the cop got locked in the trunk
of his cruiser while responding to a burglar alarm at Jaspers? (that was my
breaking point)

Jaspers cop locked in trunk??? No please elaborate on one of our finest. How did he end up in the trunk?

Maryland has more blacks and thus more crime.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Virginia overall, but there are parts of Maryland
> that are very nice. Virginia is better because of
> taxes. But if you have to commute into DC,
> Maryland seems to be a better commute because of
> the amount of roads that lead into DC compared to
> Virginia.


All good points. One that we can add as well, is that if you want to distance yourself from D.C. crime, the fewer roads thing works in VA's favor.

Brandon Wrote:
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> Maryland has more blacks and thus more crime.


I doubt it has more blacks than all of VA, but if you're comparing Metro D.C. MD to NoVa, then yeah, you're probably right (On the number differences).

Brandon Wrote:
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> Maryland has more blacks and thus more crime.


Correlation doesn't equal causation

VA has more rednecks.

Lee Wrote:
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> VA has more rednecks.


MD has no shortage of rednecks (have you been to Cumberland or Hagerstown), and VA has no shortage of blacks either (Petersburg, Danville)

Well let's see, darky and ten kids move into nieghborhood. Crime goes up your cars get broken into, bsketballs don't stop bouncing, and property values
decrease with the increasing crime rate just to name a few. So that's why people say things like ^ Brandon Said up there. I mean let's face it when blacks go looking for a house they never say stuff like " i don't know Bout this nieghborhood, i mean look at all these white people around here. And you don't see white peole moving out of thier own nieghborhoods looking to move into a lower crime black nieghborhood. Or white people chasing blacks out of nieghborhoods they grew up in. So in short correlation do equals causation foo.

It all has to do with money, black dont like living in poor neighborhoods any more than whites do, as soon as they get money they'll leave to a wealtheir neighborhood, maybe a white neighborhood. I think it would be hard to prove that one black family with the same education and income as a white family is going to cause significantly more crime. The problem is that poor blacks move into poor white nighborhood that's when tension starts. The black white divide is so tainted in america that its like toxic waste, but look at black immigrants that come to this country and the father stays on the scene and the kids get an education and aren't stupid thugs, these are real american sucess stories.

the government has ground down blacks through their good intentions with programs like affirmative action, welfare, public housing, the more shielded from the free market the more reliant they are on their masters in the government

Stay away from both unless you want illegal immigrant bedbugs!

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Lee Wrote:
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> VA has more rednecks.


I'm not so sure about that, there are plenty of rednecks in the smaller Maryland communities around PG, Howard, and Ann Arundel counties. I'd even go so far as to say that those MD rednecks are a bit weirder and trashier than the VA rednecks I've encountered.

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I lived in a neighborhood next to Greenbriar, but it was in the mid-90s. I remember Jasper's, but never heard that cop/trunk story. Sure, you'd hear about carjackings and stuff, and I remember a stabbing and hostage incident over at Beltway Plaza mall (ghetto mall), but I never felt unsafe living there and had great neighbors. The area over by Beltway Plaza and the metro station were definitely sketchy places to avoid. I'm sure it was nicer when the developments were newer, but overall I think the bad rap the place gets is overblown.

That being said, I'd never want to move back there. NoVA is much better, IMO.




Space Cadet Wrote:
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> Meeper, I lived in Greenbelt too for eight years
> back in the late 70's-early
> 80's. As one of the original owners at Greenbriar,
> I was very happy at first. Great neighbors,
> (mostly NASA employees) easy commute to downtown
> DC, plenty
> of shopping conveniences nearby and I was a night
> student at the U. of Md.
> Over a period of five years, I watched Greenbelt
> go to Hell in a handbasket. Original owners had to
> actually live in a unit for one full year before
> they could rent it out, but when that date
> arrived, renters (mostly who had lived
> in DC previously) began ruining the atmosphere in
> the condo's. First I noticed
> people emptying their car ashtrays in the parking
> lot. Then, it was gangs of
> teenagers breaking into cars. After that, there
> were breakins, muggings, and
> any storage area on the bottom floor would be
> cleaned out if you left anything
> of value visible. At the same time, the Greenbelt
> Police were overwhelmed
> by the sudden increase in crime. Armed robberies
> started occurring which was
> rare for Greenbelt then and if they did occurr, it
> was usually someone not
> from. I moved from there to South Arlington and
> then again, watched things go
> down the tubes within eight years so I moved to
> Fairfax. What's next? Do I
> move to Butte, Montana? Do you remember when the
> cop got locked in the trunk
> of his cruiser while responding to a burglar alarm
> at Jaspers? (that was my
> breaking point)

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First for the cop in the trunk story. Greenbriar was the first major development
in Greenbelt since the end of WWII and it was a very quiet place to live.
The sense of "community" was very strong. The Police were not used to a lot of
serious crime. One night a cop responded to a burglar alarm at Jaspers at 3:00
a.m. after it was closed. When he walked around the building, some nutcase
jumped out of a door and knocked the cop down, took his gun, and put him in the
trunk of the cruiser (handcuffed with his own gear) To really rub salt into the
wound, he left him there. He (the cop) hadnt notified the dispatcher as to his
whereabouts and had remembered a problem with the same alarm going off on its
own a couple of days earlier due to a wiring problem. Well, nobody knew
where he was and the other cops began looking all over the city but didnt find
him until around 8 a.m. when someone finally spotted the cruiser behind Jaspers.
They never found the burglar and I don't know if the gun was ever retrieved.




TheMeeper Wrote:
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> I lived in a neighborhood next to Greenbriar, but
> it was in the mid-90s. I remember Jasper's, but
> never heard that cop/trunk story. Sure, you'd
> hear about carjackings and stuff, and I remember a
> stabbing and hostage incident over at Beltway
> Plaza mall (ghetto mall), but I never felt unsafe
> living there and had great neighbors. The area
> over by Beltway Plaza and the metro station were
> definitely sketchy places to avoid. I'm sure it
> was nicer when the developments were newer, but
> overall I think the bad rap the place gets is
> overblown.
>
> That being said, I'd never want to move back
> there. NoVA is much better, IMO.
>
>
>
>
> Space Cadet Wrote:
> ----------------------------------
> > Meeper, I lived in Greenbelt too for eight
> years
> > back in the late 70's-early
> > 80's. As one of the original owners at
> Greenbriar,
> > I was very happy at first. Great neighbors,
> > (mostly NASA employees) easy commute to
> downtown
> > DC, plenty
> > of shopping conveniences nearby and I was a
> night
> > student at the U. of Md.
> > Over a period of five years, I watched
> Greenbelt
> > go to Hell in a handbasket. Original owners had
> to
> > actually live in a unit for one full year
> before
> > they could rent it out, but when that date
> > arrived, renters (mostly who had lived
> > in DC previously) began ruining the atmosphere
> in
> > the condo's. First I noticed
> > people emptying their car ashtrays in the
> parking
> > lot. Then, it was gangs of
> > teenagers breaking into cars. After that, there
> > were breakins, muggings, and
> > any storage area on the bottom floor would be
> > cleaned out if you left anything
> > of value visible. At the same time, the
> Greenbelt
> > Police were overwhelmed
> > by the sudden increase in crime. Armed
> robberies
> > started occurring which was
> > rare for Greenbelt then and if they did occurr,
> it
> > was usually someone not
> > from. I moved from there to South Arlington and
> > then again, watched things go
> > down the tubes within eight years so I moved to
> > Fairfax. What's next? Do I
> > move to Butte, Montana? Do you remember when
> the
> > cop got locked in the trunk
> > of his cruiser while responding to a burglar
> alarm
> > at Jaspers? (that was my
> > breaking point)

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Yikes, that's sorta funny actually. The cop's lucky the guy didn't kill him.

Another thing I remember from when I was living there: some nutcase walked into Wendy's with a sawed-off shotgun and just started shooting it. I don't think he hit anybody, but was just firing it randomly. Luckily a cops were nearby, and they came in and shot the guy to death. That's pretty fuckin hardcore.

Stuff like that doesn't really happen around FFX.



Space Cadet Wrote:
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> First for the cop in the trunk story. Greenbriar
> was the first major development
> in Greenbelt since the end of WWII and it was a
> very quiet place to live.
> The sense of "community" was very strong. The
> Police were not used to a lot of
> serious crime. One night a cop responded to a
> burglar alarm at Jaspers at 3:00
> a.m. after it was closed. When he walked around
> the building, some nutcase
> jumped out of a door and knocked the cop down,
> took his gun, and put him in the
> trunk of the cruiser (handcuffed with his own
> gear) To really rub salt into the
> wound, he left him there. He (the cop) hadnt
> notified the dispatcher as to his
> whereabouts and had remembered a problem with the
> same alarm going off on its
> own a couple of days earlier due to a wiring
> problem. Well, nobody knew
> where he was and the other cops began looking all
> over the city but didnt find
> him until around 8 a.m. when someone finally
> spotted the cruiser behind Jaspers.
> They never found the burglar and I don't know if
> the gun was ever retrieved.

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Virginia is a much better place to live than the People's Republic of Maryland, no doubt about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1GWRDL7PTs

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Yikes, that's sorta funny actually. The cop's
> lucky the guy didn't kill him.
>
> Another thing I remember from when I was living
> there: some nutcase walked into Wendy's with a
> sawed-off shotgun and just started shooting it. I
> don't think he hit anybody, but was just firing it
> randomly. Luckily a cops were nearby, and they
> came in and shot the guy to death. That's pretty
> fuckin hardcore.
>
> Stuff like that doesn't really happen around FFX.
>
>
>
> Space Cadet Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > First for the cop in the trunk story.
> Greenbriar
> > was the first major development
> > in Greenbelt since the end of WWII and it was a
> > very quiet place to live.
> > The sense of "community" was very strong. The
> > Police were not used to a lot of
> > serious crime. One night a cop responded to a
> > burglar alarm at Jaspers at 3:00
> > a.m. after it was closed. When he walked around
> > the building, some nutcase
> > jumped out of a door and knocked the cop down,
> > took his gun, and put him in the
> > trunk of the cruiser (handcuffed with his own
> > gear) To really rub salt into the
> > wound, he left him there. He (the cop) hadnt
> > notified the dispatcher as to his
> > whereabouts and had remembered a problem with
> the
> > same alarm going off on its
> > own a couple of days earlier due to a wiring
> > problem. Well, nobody knew
> > where he was and the other cops began looking
> all
> > over the city but didnt find
> > him until around 8 a.m. when someone finally
> > spotted the cruiser behind Jaspers.
> > They never found the burglar and I don't know
> if
> > the gun was ever retrieved.

Guess which cop was nicknamed "Barney" after that.:) Overall, the cops were
really good. In another incident I was confronted by a 16 year old who had
recently moved from DC. (He was looking for a fight) I was 33 yrs old and had
just finished my Second Degree Brown Belt in Tae Kwon Do. The kid didn't like
my skin color and began shouting vulgarities at me as I walked by on the side
walk at Greenbriar. Not being sure about the laws in Maryland for kicking the
shit out of a minor, I talked my way out of it and went home to call the cops.
The cops knew exactly who I was talking about as they already had three
outstanding warrants for him. They asked if I'd call a specific number at
the police station of I saw him again. I cooperated and they found him in his
mothers condo three days later. DC also had outstanding warrants. This is a far cry from the "old days" when the Greenbelt stereotype was a rocket scientist who talks to himself and carries a calculator in his shirt pocket. Sad. I visited there last year for the first time in 15 years and was disappointed to see how
much had deteriorated and I patted myself on the back for getting my family
out of there.

A friend of mine who lives in College Park is afraid to sit on his front or
back porch at night and wouldnt dream of walking around in his neighborhood
alone. He tells me that things are so bad now that he's moving to Virginia as soon as he retires next year. Don't blame him.

If you value the 2nd amendment, then live in Virginia. Maryland is not a gun friendly state.

2nd Amendment Wrote:
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> If you value the 2nd amendment, then live in
> Virginia. Maryland is not a gun friendly state.

You hit the nail on the head. There must something in the water in Annapolis.

ian l Wrote:
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> It all has to do with money, black dont like
> living in poor neighborhoods any more than whites
> do, as soon as they get money they'll leave to a
> wealtheir neighborhood, maybe a white
> neighborhood. I think it would be hard to prove
> that one black family with the same education and
> income as a white family is going to cause
> significantly more crime. The problem is that
> poor blacks move into poor white nighborhood
> that's when tension starts. The black white
> divide is so tainted in america that its like
> toxic waste, but look at black immigrants that
> come to this country and the father stays on the
> scene and the kids get an education and aren't
> stupid thugs, these are real american sucess
> stories.

OK, that I can go along with. There's elements of all American subcultures that are, for lack of a better word, trashy. The trashy sub-subcultures don't tend to get along too well, and blame each other for their problems in life.

The unregistered folks (I'm going to be generous and assume they're not trolling) sound like the sort who'll move out the moment a Black family moves in.

And you're right -- Black flight is a relatively new thing. It's going on as Blacks move out of PG and into Charles/Calvert.

Another thing to consider -- it seems European-Americans are way more willing to toss their loser relatives overboard. It seems Blacks, Hispanics, and other recent immigrants are more willing to make excuses for, support, etc., etc., their loser relatives, whether it be Uncle Pedro back in the home country who promptly spends money sent home on beer and women, or some wayward cousin that gets in trouble with the law.

bob23 wrote:
> the government has ground down blacks through
> their good intentions with programs like
> affirmative action, welfare, public housing, the
> more shielded from the free market the more
> reliant they are on their masters in the government

Is this where I'm told blacks had it much better during Jim Crow days?

Racism in America -- in the 1940s and 1950s, Blacks had a 250-pound man sitting on the other side of the scale. Today, it's like he's just leaning on it and sometimes moves around, tipping the scales occasionally against Whites.

But it's enough that a Black in say the 30th or 40th percentile of initiative and talent is going to not make it, whereas a White of the same initiative and talent would make it. Blacks of the 50th percentile and higher will make it and do okay, whereas back in the 1950s the cutoff was the 90th percentile (hence the "twice as good" mantra.)

Now we can argue all day about native differences in talent, but (1) it's essentially unprovable, (2) nature/nuture (IQ's for EVERYONE have been going up a few points a decade) and (3) what difference does it make? Why would Blacks having 5-10 fewer IQ points than Whites mean a single !@#$ thing for a Black lawyer/judge/scientist or a White cretin?

This is the first time I've ever gone back a few days and dug up an old thread
but when I saw this article on the WTOP website it really clicked. What is
really silly about this article though is how they try and blame Greenbelt's
"brain drain" on transportation and other irrelevant reasons. The reason
college grads are leaving Greenbelt is because it's turned into a ghetto/barrio
and nobody with a brain wants to live there anymore.

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=104&sid=1813803

Maryland,is like any other state,in this country! There will b gangs,in some parts and in others there are,not. You just have to know where more gang violence is,and were to b careful. I've lived in Maryland, were I live itz all farm land,until I was 20 my family still lives there now,but I did move wit my husband to California,cuz of the military and just like Maryland they had gangs it seemed actually more tell u the truth,but a beautiful state. Right know I'm in Florida,and can u believe there are areas even here that have gang violence. But va and md are Both r nice,o course. Itz really up to u. Don't have ppl tell u scary stories about Maryland though being all ghetto,cuz THERE WRONG!!!! Hope this helps. God bless

MD is filled with niggers and run by communists. VA FTMFW.

They're both hell. Move to Tennessee or North Carolina or somewhere less...douchey.

I would take any town in Virginia over shit hole Maryland.

Virginia is waaaaaaaaaaay better than the People's Republic of Maryland.

I'll take the 2up2Down any day over Fairyland (except for Bmore or Naptown)!

deffinately virginia it is soo much better then va

more black more crime...sucks...and u say u welcome everyone

Marylands state motto is about a sexually transmitted parasite. Enough said?

I lived in Maryland both in MONT. County and PG county and moved to Virgina in the early 80's. I always thought about moving back to Maryland, but living in Virginia, I have to admit I like Virginia much better than Maryland.

I've lived in PG County - about 25 years - and Northern Virginia for about 25 years. I like Virginia better because of the greenery of all things - just seems like a more-treed space than either Montgomery or PG were. In either location I haven't worried about crime - that's always somewhat localized and probably equally bad in certain locations of each place. The tax hit seems somewhat the same - maybe the difference is noise level or something. PG County might be a little more "connected" than Northern Virginia - I seem to remember lots of ways to get to where I wanted to go.

Except for the greenery, it's almost a wash as far as I'm concerned.

Dual Citizen Wrote:
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> I've lived in PG County - about 25 years - and
> Northern Virginia for about 25 years. I like
> Virginia better because of the greenery of all
> things - just seems like a more-treed space than
> either Montgomery or PG were. In either location I
> haven't worried about crime - that's always
> somewhat localized and probably equally bad in
> certain locations of each place. The tax hit seems
> somewhat the same - maybe the difference is noise
> level or something. PG County might be a little
> more "connected" than Northern Virginia - I seem
> to remember lots of ways to get to where I wanted
> to go.
>
> Except for the greenery, it's almost a wash as far
> as I'm concerned.


PG county is so full of shit, in so many different ways.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

Fabrisio !! How are you? Long time no see.

Bethesda seems nice.
Not necessarily pricier than alot of homes around FFX,
but more of a downtown with thriving arts, restaurants. Can't think of
an equivalent over on this side.

Move to MD.

Both area's suck..way too many spic illegals and niggs destroying and trashing what once use to be a nice place to live..They are locust!

Brandon Wrote:
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> Maryland has more blacks and thus more crime.


Well said. MD is so shitty compared to anywhere in VA. And VA has some of the best gun laws in the country.

God forbid one should end up in Forestville.

OmNomNomNom Wrote:
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> God forbid one should end up in Forestville.


or woodbridge for that matter..this whole area is being destroyed and trashed by the illegals. its really has been trashed in the past 15 years.

I agree maryland sucks I dont even want to drive in that state anymore its not safe bunch of lunatics on the road!!!! By the way, crime dont pay rob banks in ur own state and stay out of VA!

The 7-11's are much better in VA. If you don't find a job during any particular day you can load up on beer and drink it behind the dumpster. Md 7-11's don't sell no beer.

This is hilarious that people are actually taking this question seriously. It's like this, What's better, having cancer or getting a massage?

My vote is with Virginia

unless you can afford the inner harbor, cabin john, bethesda, or a nice place in ellicot city or annapolis, then maryland is nothing more than a place where dreams go to die.

It is crazy that some people consider this a legit question. When half the people that live in the state can't pronounce the name of the state, it's a bad place. also in va you don't have to pay to drive on 95. why do you have to pay to sit in traffic in md and it has camera tix??? if that isn't lame then I don't know what is.

i would rather live in triangle, dale city, or manassas than any spot in maryland that i have not listed above.

ayyyyyeeee virginia

You will like Maryland if you have a chain on your wallet and several tattoos. Virginia is redneck too once you get out of northern va.

Brandon Wrote:
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> Maryland has more blacks and thus more crime.


I second that!

Wow. This conversation certainly turned to race quickly. I'm an export from NYC that has been in this area for over 20 years. I've lived mostly in VA, but spent much time in MD with friends and family. Here's what I noticed that I think matters:

1. VA is more favorable to guns. You like guns, go to VA.
2. MD is more covered and favored in the local media. I don't get this one, but it seems that MD is more on local TV and radio than VA. Regardless of positive or negative.
3. VA has a better power grid. Every year Pepco and BGE have several outages that affect tens of thousands. Usually after a winter storm (when you actually need power) or after a summer storm (when you're hot as hell). I'm surprised no one mentioned this before.
4. Navigating in VA is difficult because so many roads have the same name. Old Ox, West Ox, Ox, Old telegraph, Telegraph, some other Telegraph that is completely unconnected to the first Telegraph, etc. I guess that comes from this area being old and having dirt roads eventually paved into the streets we know today, but for God's sake, rename the roads. There are plenty of names out there other than Ox, Telegraph, and Ashburn.
5. MD classic car laws start at 20 years. VA at 25. It makes a difference if you're working on restoring a car.
6. VA drivers are stupid in that the left lane is slower than the right lane and people love to take that lane on the right that they know is going to end and then cut you off causing the traffic behind to jam on brakes in a slinky effect.
7. MD drivers are nuts. I find they drive much faster for the conditions and do crazy unpredictable things. If you don't believe me, drive down the indian head highway.
8. They both have their ghetto corners.
9. They both have their redneck corners.
10. VA has property taxes on cars, MD has higher taxes on gas, sales, and income, VA has higher booze taxes but lower tobacco taxes. Go figure. It's a push.

That's an easy answer, especially with regards to taxes and a lower crime rate. Our recreation and other services are much better, and plus Maryland drivers alone, not saying VA drivers are anything special, are less likely to ram you at high speed and might use a turning signal. They also might wave thank you, when you let them in as well, instead of a one finger salute.

Both are big areas. Where do you want to live?

Nova is a bitch if you commute. If you commute from home you have it made.

"4. Navigating in VA is difficult because so many roads have the same name. Old Ox, West Ox, Ox, Old telegraph, Telegraph, some other Telegraph that is completely unconnected to the first Telegraph"

You forgot Glebe - they're all over the place. And 95 - 95, 395, 495.

MD has waay too many taxes, though the western part of the state is nice. It has its bright spots, like Ellicott city is really cool to visit...though Ocean City is a third world dump full of scum bags.

For the skyline drive, etc. I'd say VA.

For driving, while the stated street names are stupid, MD hates right turn lanes and loves tight turns.

Your mental health will thank me. Both states suck ass.

Move far away Wrote:
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> Your mental health will thank me. Both states suck
> ass.


well said. this place "NOVA" is slowly killing me. that's no shit.

Let's keep this simple. If you're a closet communist who expects the government to make all the decisions for you, live in Maryland. If you believe in individual freedoms and personal responsibility, live in Virginia.

Forgot One Wrote:
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> "4. Navigating in VA is difficult because so many
> roads have the same name. Old Ox, West Ox, Ox, Old
> telegraph, Telegraph, some other Telegraph that is
> completely unconnected to the first Telegraph"
>
> You forgot Glebe - they're all over the place. And
> 95 - 95, 395, 495.

And the two very different Beulahs. And disparate sections of Braddock [and New Braddock]. (and a whole host of more minor streets that share names).

Not to mention how VA traffic planners love to change the names of roads as they go across arbitrary intersections. Sometimes you can stay on a road without turning and it's name will change 5+ times.

Chain Bridge / Dolley Madison / Chain Bridge / Maple / Chain Bridge (x3 !) / Ox / Gordon Blvd

Springvale / Baron Cameron / Elden / Centreville / Walney / Westfields / Poplar Tree / Stone

Fredrick / Oak Tree / Church / Waxpool / Farmwell / Ashburn Farm / Sycolin



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Ya driving in VA, go by the route numbers. Street names are stupid. If you have a nav system you'll be fine.

I drove around Montgomery county and found it the most boring place. I like Fairfax county. Lots of trees here, it's not overly developed, doesn't remind me of California. NoVA is much more interesting. I'm glad I moved here and not MD.

There is probably no place worse on earth than Fairfax County for the percentage of people with absolutely NO talent or innovation. I have been living here for 14 years and in that time I have not heard one idea that I would call inspired, the fed govt and military rubs off, and EVERYONE is closed mind and boring. The geography is beautiful, too bad there is such a high percentage of assholes. When I lived in CA I heard interesting stuff every day, here almost NEVER. These idiots live lives of quiet and boring desperation. (not obsess on the spelling, because thats how empty your lives are)

It wants its arrogant, whining asshole ypoi back.

CA called- thanks for effectively illustrating my point beautiful, you are the prototype boring moron!

ypoi Wrote:
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> There is probably no place worse on earth than
> Fairfax County for the percentage of people with
> absolutely NO talent or innovation. I have been
> living here for 14 years and in that time I have
> not heard one idea that I would call inspired, the
> fed govt and military rubs off, and EVERYONE is
> closed mind and boring. The geography is
> beautiful, too bad there is such a high percentage
> of assholes. When I lived in CA I heard
> interesting stuff every day, here almost NEVER.
> These idiots live lives of quiet and boring
> desperation. (not obsess on the spelling, because
> thats how empty your lives are)


Feel free to move back to CA. Hopefully an earthquake will swallow you whole.
Typical transient douchebag that does nothing but bitch and moan while doing nothing about it. Fuck off.

496- You Fuck Off, read the posting - I have been here for 14 years-THIS TIME- I am one of probably 7 people who is FROM here, I went to K-12 and then 20 years more of this shit, then I got out for a few and found out it is MUCh better elsewhere, and objectively this place sucks, and YES it is MUCH better on the West Coast- from a native, which I doubt that you are, you are probably a triple dipping asshole working for the fed govt, making more money doing nothing of value or significance but full of stupid self importance.

496 Wrote:
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> ypoi Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There is probably no place worse on earth than
> > Fairfax County for the percentage of people
> with
> > absolutely NO talent or innovation. I have been
> > living here for 14 years and in that time I
> have
> > not heard one idea that I would call inspired,
> the
> > fed govt and military rubs off, and EVERYONE is
> > closed mind and boring. The geography is
> > beautiful, too bad there is such a high
> percentage
> > of assholes. When I lived in CA I heard
> > interesting stuff every day, here almost NEVER.
> > These idiots live lives of quiet and boring
> > desperation. (not obsess on the spelling,
> because
> > thats how empty your lives are)
>
>
> Feel free to move back to CA. Hopefully an
> earthquake will swallow you whole.
> Typical transient douchebag that does nothing but
> bitch and moan while doing nothing about it. Fuck
> off.

+1

hey fuck you. southern cali is better. this place sucks ass. fucking women here think they are L.A 10's when in fact they are 2's. and just fucking cold, used up has been's.

fuck you, northern va.

Gerry Connolly: sounding all butthurt isn't going to get you in my pantsuits

I have lived in Frederick County Maryland, Loudon County Virginia, and Jefferson County West Virginia -- WV rocks. We live in a large home, pay low income taxes, have great schools (at least through middle school - my kids haven't experienced high school yet) and are close to my job in NOVA. I live in Charles Town and my commute is on par with folks who live in Centerville and commute to the Dulles area. Wild and Wonderful!!!

no 2 md Wrote:
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> I lived in Montgomery County for a year and won't
> be moving back.
>
> They place restrictions on apartment complexes
> that force them to rent to a certain number of
> low-income people. I toured an apartment in a
> higher-end complex, with a sauna, workout room,
> nice landscaping, etc. When I went back the
> following day, I was told I shouldn't have been
> shown that unit because it was reserved for
> low-income. It was the only unit available too. It
> really pissed me off for a number of reasons.
>
> Their taxes are high so they can support Baltimore
> (urban welfare)
>
> The restaurants are way better in Fairfax than
> Montgomery county, IMO.
>
> 270 and the "rockville rollercoaster" section of
> 495 are terrible.
>
> They have heavy zoning and building restrictions
> that force more density in a smaller area, which
> is nice for the rich people in the outer county,
> not really so nice for the rest of us.
>
> Its boring as hell. Whomever said Montgomery
> County was like Arlington County has no clue.
>
> The MD "BMV" is far, far worse than the VA DMV.
> Not only do they treat you like shit, but Maryland
> licenses weren't even valid forms of state ID in
> other states because so many Illegals get MD
> licenses. I know that in the Gaithersburg BMV,
> they had a special section just set up for
> hispanics/illegals/foreign-nationals/whatever.
> Their line moved much faster than ours too.
>
> MD Drivers.

I have lived in MoCo for over 20 years. Yes taxes might be high to support the state, but at least you can see the taxes being used to maintain the county. Secondly each place in MD or VA is going to be different.

There are plently of good restaurants in both places.

270 was widened 30 years ago to compensate for the traffic today. VA is wasting their money to widen their roads now to compensate for traffic now. 495 in MD can't be widened yet.

There is a big demand for housing developments.

MoCo is not anymore interesting than the surrounding areas.

Finally, THERE IS NO BMV in MD. IT IS THE MVA. So by this comment I know that you have not lived in MD before. Md is not a popular state to get a fake ID and there is special "line" for hispnaics. I am at the MVA is Gaithersburg all the time.

Bethesda is 95% white. That's all you need to know.

I'd rather live in Maryland than Virginia.

Merlin MUDDAFUGGAZ! PG reprezen-in!