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If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Bearing sorrow, having fun ()
Date: May 24, 2017 06:48AM

Would Washington have fought in the Revolution if the North had tried to free the slaves back then? Would Jefferson had written the Declaration of Independence? Hell no. They were actual slave owners, not just generals in the military.

When they do change the name over at JEB Stuart, at least have the decency to not change it to something that will lower my property value. Something generic like Crossroads High School would be fine.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: ISIS ()
Date: May 24, 2017 07:09AM

Which is trying harder to erase history, ISIS or the DNC? We already know that the DNC hates America more than ISIS does.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Queen Sharon B ()
Date: May 24, 2017 08:48AM

I'm leaning towards renaming it Hugo Chavez High School, in honor of one of my favorite socialists. Whaddya think? Would "Fidel Castro High" be better?

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: LetsRock ()
Date: May 24, 2017 09:51AM

What is worse? Living near Martin Luther King Blvd or attending Barack Hussein High school?

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Retarded opinions ()
Date: May 24, 2017 09:55AM

Bearing sorrow, having fun Wrote:
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> Would Washington have fought in the Revolution if
> the North had tried to free the slaves back then?
> Would Jefferson had written the Declaration of
> Independence? Hell no. They were actual slave
> owners, not just generals in the military.

You make no sense whatsoever. Jefferson wasn't a general in the military, and neither the declaration of independence nor Washington's command of the continental army were predicated on the condition that the north "leave slavery alone".

That's such a stupid opinion it's hard to fathom how you came up with it.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: NameGame ()
Date: May 24, 2017 10:25AM

Lord Fairfax owned slaves. So did Baron Culpeper. Shall we rename everything in Virginia?

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: 3p76y ()
Date: May 24, 2017 10:34AM

NameGame Wrote:
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> Lord Fairfax owned slaves. So did Baron Culpeper.
> Shall we rename everything in Virginia?


Trumptards don't seem to understand this. The issue isn't 'slave ownership', it's the fact that he became a traitor to the United States and shed blood to protect the practice and spread of slavery. That's a huge difference. Sort of like, i smoke weed. It's 'wrong', i know it. But it's not like i've gone out and killed some cops so that they won't bust me or others who smoke weed.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: MoneyMatters ()
Date: May 24, 2017 10:51AM

The cost of an ordinary scoreboard is well over $200 grand. Then you have signage, uniforms and a host of other expenses. When the SB is raising class size and has other budgetary woes, why are they even considering incurring an expense of over a million and perhaps more? Will Woodson, Lee, TJ be far behind? FCPS does NOT have the resources to effect the change. How much have they already spent?

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: not even ()
Date: May 24, 2017 11:15AM

3p76y Wrote:
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> NameGame Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lord Fairfax owned slaves. So did Baron
> Culpeper.
> > Shall we rename everything in Virginia?
>
>
> Trumptards don't seem to understand this. The
> issue isn't 'slave ownership', it's the fact that
> he became a traitor to the United States and shed
> blood to protect the practice and spread of
> slavery. That's a huge difference. Sort of
> like, i smoke weed. It's 'wrong', i know it. But
> it's not like i've gone out and killed some cops
> so that they won't bust me or others who smoke
> weed.

Not the same thing. Different time. No TV, no internet. Information was likely very limited. Loyalty was to your home. He probably made the choice to defend his home--not slavery. This does not excuse slavery in any way, but you do not know what was in his heart or mind.

Should the school have been named after him? No. Should we spend money to change the name? No. Sandy Evans and her pals have created this issue.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: current events ()
Date: May 24, 2017 12:31PM

not even Wrote:
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> Not the same thing. Different time. No TV, no
> internet. Information was likely very limited.

Not really. Literacy was high and telegraph and railroads meant news traveled surprisingly fast. Journalism was abundant and newspapers and magazines were available everywhere. People could and did stay well-informed of current events and politics in those days.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: In The 1950's When It Was Named ()
Date: May 24, 2017 12:34PM

">Should the school have been named after him? No"

When the school was named FXCO was home to many veterans and active duty military. 2/3 of the people here had been in the service or were still on active duty.

Jeb Stuart.. The Army's of The North and South..all the battles were studied by military historians. They studied the battles of the men in Blue and Grey at West Point..They still do.

Jeb Stuart was not a coward..and he proved that in battle..The School Name was appropriate at the time it was named.

And As you pointed out correctly

" > Not the same thing. Different time. No TV, no internet. Information was likely very limited. Loyalty was to your home. He probably made the choice to defend his home--not slavery"

Loyalty was to the people of the South's home as the South was more rural then the North

Wanting to change the name to go with the times is one thing.. IT SHOULD have been done when the School was remodeled 8 years or so ago. IF It Was Such A Great Issue. It Was Not!

But today..to smear a mans name WHO VIRGINIA RESPECTED for So Many Years as a Leader in Battle ..as a Loyal Virginian..as a Reason For A Name Change.of a School..is Pure Weak Lib Bullshit at Work. And Is One Of The BIG Reasons LIBS are getting NO RESPECT From More and More AMERICANS EVERY DAY!

Renaming the school and squandering $$ doing it when FCPS is Begging for more money , and Jeb Stuart today is a failing school = Liberal Insanity!

DAJAX

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: knock it off ()
Date: May 24, 2017 01:26PM

In The 1950's When It Was Named Wrote:
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> Loyalty was to the people of the South's home as
> the South was more rural then the North

quit bein' an ass

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: All good some of the time ()
Date: May 24, 2017 03:05PM

3p76y Wrote:
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> NameGame Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lord Fairfax owned slaves. So did Baron
> Culpeper.
> > Shall we rename everything in Virginia?
>
>
> Trumptards don't seem to understand this. The
> issue isn't 'slave ownership', it's the fact that
> he became a traitor to the United States and shed
> blood to protect the practice and spread of
> slavery. That's a huge difference. Sort of
> like, i smoke weed. It's 'wrong', i know it. But
> it's not like i've gone out and killed some cops
> so that they won't bust me or others who smoke
> weed.


The issue isn't slave ownership? So that's cool as long as no one tried to stop it?

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: TheTroof ()
Date: May 24, 2017 03:48PM

ISIS Wrote:
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> Which is trying harder to erase history, ISIS or
> the DNC? We already know that the DNC hates
> America more than ISIS does.


There you have it.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: black jack logan ()
Date: May 24, 2017 10:27PM

All good some of the time Wrote:
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> The issue isn't slave ownership? So that's cool as
> long as no one tried to stop it?


If Stuart fought for the American cause this would not even be an issue. It wouldn't matter if he sympathized with slavery (like many Union officers did), or even owned slaves. He volunteered to commit violence against and overthrow our country, to prolong slavery. The worst cause any American ever fought for: a rebellion to maintain slave labor.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Speak For Yourself 150 Yrs later ()
Date: May 25, 2017 12:06AM

He was judged in his day..By The Union in Their Day..Not For You to Reinvent History and Judge Him Today..

The Civil War Ended 150 + years ago..WTF is Wrong With Libs Minds..?? Change The Goddammed name squander money doing it that can be used in much more better ways..Feel Good. But Don't talk shit about a brave Virginian that cant speak for his self today

Liberal Insanity ..Completely!! DAJAX

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: AND Erase Every Democrats Name ()
Date: May 25, 2017 12:11AM

That ever USED The N Word.. Go Ahead You Want a List?? FXU will help you out..!

DAJAX ..Harry Byrd (D) That's A start..! Take His Goddammed Name OFF Everthing ..before you Touch Jeb Stuart!! LBJ..Thousands More ..

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Gonna Change ()
Date: May 26, 2017 08:03PM

And it will be popcorn time to watch all you bigots scream about "patriotism" trying to defend a man who was a traitor to the US Army and the United States, which he swore an oath to protect and defend.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Fuck the Neo-Confederacy Morons ()
Date: May 26, 2017 09:54PM

Speak For Yourself 150 Yrs later Wrote:
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> He was judged in his day..By The Union

Damn right. They judged him as an enemy combatant of the good ol' US of A and promptly shot him dead. Put him in the grave where he belonged.

The people who erased history were the ones who put his name on that school in the first place.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: No Need To Debate An Ass ()
Date: May 26, 2017 10:26PM

Weak Spoiled Lib Trolling Punks That Have Got Nothing ..LOL

DAJAX

>The people who erased history were the ones who put his name on that school in the first place.

You Fucking WEAK Asshole..Your Disrespecting Heros Of WW2 and Korea..! As Well as Jeb Stuart.. And You..! Your a HERO of The SEWER.. Fascist..Punk In Training..

DAJAX.. The MF would be speaking German or Jap..without those that named JEB Stuart ! No..he would simply be in the darkness from where he came..Forever.... The Asshole Is SO Stupid hes talking Shit bout All America.. The Lib Hater..

German is Not So Bad...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r8OZ_5RsK8 Ya!!

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: decoration day ()
Date: May 26, 2017 11:45PM

No Need To Debate An Ass Wrote:
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> .Your Disrespecting Heros
> Of WW2 and Korea..! As Well as Jeb Stuart..

JEB Stuart's name doesn't belong in the same sentence as our WWII and Korean vets. That's fisgraceful.

Stuart fought against American vets.

I understand he's a confederate hero but he is no way an American hero.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Pc retards. ()
Date: May 26, 2017 11:54PM

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: He Was Till You Came Along ()
Date: May 27, 2017 12:03AM

Reinvent History ..And the Men in WW2 and Korean were the Great Grandsons of Men in Blue and Grey that named the school...So Your Calling them Names?? The True..Disgrace Of America and its History Is No Further THEN YOUR MIRROR..!

LOL..DAJAX..Liberal Assholes Can't Spell what they Spout or Think....IQ.. Sub Human..!

999..!! Hell No.. LOL!.. Below the 30th Percentile..Bout 79..

I Give Ya A Pass.. wTh..My Finger sllkp on the ksys aT.TiMes..Lol..pAl..!

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Decoration Day May 30th ! ()
Date: May 27, 2017 12:11AM

Starting in 1987 Hawaii's Senator Daniel Inouye, a World War II veteran, introduced a measure to return Memorial Day to its traditional date. Inouye continued introducing the resolution until his death in 2012.

And He Earned The Medal Of Honor For His WW2 Service and Yes ..he was a Democrat..

Decoration Day?? To You Asshole is a day to Fuck Off. Lazy Fed style... Memorial Day Weekend..All Shits and Grins To You America Hating liberals..

Ill be at Arlington This weekend..You'll be fucking off..So F..U..

DAJAX

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: May 30th is Memorial Day ()
Date: May 27, 2017 12:28AM

Never was supposed to be a 3 Day Fed Fun Fest..But I Like the 3 day Weekend Too..

Just Pay SOME REAL RESPECT LIBS..1 Minutes Worth..and Most Of Ya
Can't Hack That.

And Why Ill be at Arlington..Is None Of Your F..ing Business..Lib.

D..X..
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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: looking for action ()
Date: May 27, 2017 06:31AM

May 30th is Memorial Day Wrote:
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> And Why Ill be at Arlington..Is None Of Your
> F..ing Business

You'll probably be hanging out at Freddie's Beach Bsr all weekend

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: my opinion ()
Date: May 27, 2017 09:27AM

black jack logan Wrote:
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> All good some of the time Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The issue isn't slave ownership? So that's cool
> as
> > long as no one tried to stop it?
>
>
> If Stuart fought for the American cause this would
> not even be an issue. It wouldn't matter if he
> sympathized with slavery (like many Union officers
> did), or even owned slaves. He volunteered to
> commit violence against and overthrow our country,
> to prolong slavery. The worst cause any American
> ever fought for: a rebellion to maintain slave
> labor.
______________________________________________
Disagree. . They were fighting to PRESERVE the country as it was founded. It was founded on the idea that the states were sovereign.
And to say that it's o.k to name a school after a slaveowner because they didn't support the Confederacy seems asinine. You're saying that owning slaves is not as big a deal as supporting the right of your state to be sovereign and make its own laws, including owning slaves? It seems ridiculous to keep the name of a school named after a slaveholder, and yet change the name of a school named after a person who may or may not have been a slaveholder, or may even have been against slavery, but supported the right of his state to be sovereign.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Keep the History ()
Date: May 27, 2017 04:28PM

Gonna Change Wrote:
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> And it will be popcorn time to watch all you
> bigots scream about "patriotism" trying to defend
> a man who was a traitor to the US Army and the
> United States, which he swore an oath to protect
> and defend.


History is not black or white, nor is it propaganda. History is ambiguous if told honestly. It is hard enough to figure out who were actual patriots and who were actual traitors, and it's impossible to play God and judge the right or wrong of a given action, even the niggers.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Take another look ()
Date: May 27, 2017 06:11PM

3p76y Wrote:
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>
> Trumptards don't seem to understand this. The
> issue isn't 'slave ownership',

Trumptard here....no, maybe you don't get it.

I have found where after the confederate names go, it's then the founding fathers. George Washington and Benjamin Franklin schools were both changed. It's all about their ASSOCIATION with slavery.

"Such hyperbole is standard with Galmon. He routinely dismisses white people who oppose his positions as racist, and attacks black people who disagree with him as ``miseducated'' or ``misguided Negroes.'' After a ruckus last year over removing George Washington's name from an elementary school, Galmon told The New York Times that, ``to African-Americans, George Washington has about as much meaning as David Duke.''

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: fACTS... ()
Date: May 27, 2017 09:01PM

Gonna Change Wrote:
which he swore an oath to protect
> and defend.


He resigned. The oath doesn't read "till death do us part"

But speaking of that....check out this country's divorce rate and then talk to me about oath's.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Redd Foxx ()
Date: May 28, 2017 12:07AM

Jefferson and Washington were the last whites to have that last name !

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: fACTS... ()
Date: May 28, 2017 12:44AM

Hey Gonna change...this is where we'll end up. Just what you want...

https://www.facebook.com/Brotality.Inc/videos/1925816197652971/

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: FOIA CAN BITE ()
Date: May 28, 2017 12:56AM

MoneyMatters Wrote:
, why are
> they even considering incurring an expense of over
> a million and perhaps more? Will Woodson, Lee, TJ
> be far behind? FCPS does NOT have the resources to
> effect the change. How much have they already
> spent?

FOIA email reveals there are other schools in line...right after they pick off the lowest hanging fruit.

From: Smith, Marty K.
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 3:08 PM
To: Evans, Sandy (School Board Member) ssevans@fcps.edu
Subject: Response

Hi Sandy,
Here is a response for the community member.

The Purchasing and Contracts program employs best practices and implements innovative strategies..........

Please note that the Stuart RFP was drafted to provide flexibility, should the Board consider renaming schools in the future. The $5,000 - $100,000 threshold will allow FCPS to utilize the same facilitator without having to reissue an RFP.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Knowing many, loving none ()
Date: May 28, 2017 08:01AM

If Jefferson were alive today he'd buy prescription drugs from internet spammers, change the name.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Are you for real ()
Date: May 29, 2017 09:58PM

Duh...give me a reason that supersedes what the kids want and need , the NAACP agenda?

We're talking a desperate school. A place where kids come in hungry.

So political correctness usurps hunger?

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: metalhead ()
Date: May 30, 2017 09:27AM

Are you for real Wrote:
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> Duh...give me a reason that supersedes what the
> kids want and need , the NAACP agenda?
>
> We're talking a desperate school. A place where
> kids come in hungry.
>
> So political correctness usurps hunger?

To the naacp, yes.
They are a radical organization that does not care about any substantial issues in society such as fatherless homes, drug abuse, criminality, teenage pregnancy, the list goes on and on. No, they are an organization that only cares about removing Confederate generals names from public schools and trying to get Mississippi to change their state flag...

Interesting how they pick Thurgood Marshall and not Clarence Thomas to be the new name of the school, I wonder why (sarcasm)...

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: metalhead ()
Date: May 30, 2017 10:00AM

Leftists didn't seem to mind the ole' stars and bars back in the day...
Bubba and Jimmy sure didn't mind the CSA...
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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: slick2345 ()
Date: May 30, 2017 10:10AM

it's a lame name and signifies racism. change it.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: metalhead ()
Date: May 30, 2017 10:25AM

slick2345 Wrote:
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> it's a lame name and signifies racism. change it.


Are you going to foot the bill just because you're offended by the name? What if we change the name of the high school to Wyatt Earp High, or Sitting Bull high, or Crazy Horse high? Care to explain why only radical modern leftists names are being considered?

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Arab.Warrior ()
Date: May 30, 2017 11:02AM

I am voting for...

"Mohamed Atta High School" and their new mascot...

"The Burnt Skeletons of Infidelity".

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: metalhead ()
Date: May 30, 2017 03:01PM

Arab.Warrior Wrote:
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> I am voting for...
>
> "Mohamed Atta High School" and their new
> mascot...
>
> "The Burnt Skeletons of Infidelity".
And all the cheerleaders will be forced to wear full birkas!

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: John Doe Roe ()
Date: June 01, 2017 02:30PM

Hey, may as well as change Washington, DC too. Washington was a slave owner. Also, how can all those stuck-up liberals who live in Arlington/fairfax stand to drive on Lee highway?? THE HORROR!!! Libs are a mental disaster.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Patrick Henry ()
Date: June 01, 2017 02:34PM

Arlington is going to change the name of Patrick Henry Elementary.

He was dead long before the Civil War.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Fairfax County honors genocide ()
Date: June 01, 2017 09:19PM

Columbus committed genocide on a massive scale. How can Fairfax County not change the name of Columbia Pike?

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: causeican ()
Date: June 01, 2017 09:31PM

you may want to redact

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: fACTS... ()
Date: June 02, 2017 11:20AM

slick2345 Wrote:
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> it's a lame name and signifies racism. change it.

And what else is lame? Try James Madison

http://www.wkow.com/story/35530500/2017/05/26/student-cites-slave-owner-legacy-in-effort-to-change-the-name-of-james-madison-memorial-high-school

On the agenda for Fairfax County....

All associated with slavery……

JEB Stuart High School, Robert E. Lee High School, Thomas Jefferson High School, James Madison High School , Mount Vernon High School, Fairfax High School, Chantilly High School, Hayfield Secondary, Lanier Middle, Mosby Woods Elementary School, Ravensworth Elementary School. The best to come is Fairfax County in its entirety and the cost of that change, mega millions. Ever read about Lord Fairfax?

Hope you have lots of money slick2345...and meanwhile students come to Stuart hungry everyday, but what's more important....five students are offended.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: HTTR HTTR ()
Date: June 02, 2017 03:03PM

fACTS... Wrote:
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> slick2345 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > it's a lame name and signifies racism. change
> it.
>
> And what else is lame? Try James Madison
>
> http://www.wkow.com/story/35530500/2017/05/26/stud
> ent-cites-slave-owner-legacy-in-effort-to-change-t
> he-name-of-james-madison-memorial-high-school
>
> On the agenda for Fairfax County....
>
> All associated with slavery……
>
> JEB Stuart High School, Robert E. Lee High School,
> Thomas Jefferson High School, James Madison High
> School , Mount Vernon High School, Fairfax High
> School, Chantilly High School, Hayfield Secondary,
> Lanier Middle, Mosby Woods Elementary School,
> Ravensworth Elementary School. The best to come is
> Fairfax County in its entirety and the cost of
> that change, mega millions. Ever read about Lord
> Fairfax?
>
> Hope you have lots of money slick2345...and
> meanwhile students come to Stuart hungry everyday,
> but what's more important....five students are
> offended.

Columbia Elementary - Columbus enslaved any native he didn't kill.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Inquisitive One ()
Date: June 02, 2017 03:30PM

What is the status of this? I vaguely remember hearing about intimidation at some of the public hearings about the name change. After reviewing some of the material from some of the working groups it appears that this name change thing is about as much of a screwed up mess now as what it was a year ago. From what I see, Cohen is willing to chair a fund raising committee but appears to the tight wad liberal asshole that I perceived him to be, the School Board knows full well that paying for this with budgeted funds would equate to career suicide, the efforts to poll the community was a cluster fuck failure, what info they were able to extract through polling indicated general indifference but a healthy majority against changing the name and finally there are extensive doubts that the funds can be raised by the FFX community. Did I miss anything?

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: time for change ()
Date: June 02, 2017 03:40PM

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> What is the status of this? I vaguely remember
> hearing about intimidation at some of the public
> hearings about the name change. After reviewing
> some of the material from some of the working
> groups it appears that this name change thing is
> about as much of a screwed up mess now as what it
> was a year ago. From what I see, Cohen is willing
> to chair a fund raising committee but appears to
> the tight wad liberal asshole that I perceived him
> to be, the School Board knows full well that
> paying for this with budgeted funds would equate
> to career suicide, the efforts to poll the
> community was a cluster fuck failure, what info
> they were able to extract through polling
> indicated general indifference but a healthy
> majority against changing the name and finally
> there are extensive doubts that the funds can be
> raised by the FFX community. Did I miss anything?

Only that the efforts by the neo-Confederates to attack and delay failed, the old white fart brigade acted like a bunch of whiny babies, and the School Board will vote to change the name later this month.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: FOIA CAN BITE ()
Date: June 02, 2017 04:35PM

time for change Wrote:
> Only that the efforts by the neo-Confederates to
> attack and delay failed, the old white fart
> brigade acted like a bunch of whiny babies, and
> the School Board will vote to change the name
> later this month.

Just once tell me where is the evidence that it was named for spite? Just once make an argument about why it's a good thing and stop attacking the opposition personally.

Neo –Confederates…do you guys ever get tired of labels?

Anyone who disagrees with you is an evil, racist, homophobe, Neo-Confederate etc. gets tiring…just an underhanded tactic to prevent people from opposing your positions. Worse it is harmful to the people whom you claim to be trying to help.

The old white people are paying the bills. The old white people are LISTENTING to the kids. The old white people are helping because the kids who object and don't agree are called racist, and worse, the SJW history teachers are making them uncomfortable about their grades.

The "the old white fart brigade acted like a bunch of whiny babies" most didn't show up at a meeting where Alber invited his closet 35,000 friends on change.org in addition to all the local chapters of the NAACP, DC, MD and VA. It was the Fairfax County Police who made that call…..especially knowing the offer by Parker of angry black protestors…

And who did the jeering and nasty comments at that meeting. Only your side if anyone spoke in defense of keeping the name. The reverse never happened.

Our kids don't need it and the community doesn't need.

Hey…but your good at labels.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: FOIA CAN BITE ()
Date: June 02, 2017 05:41PM

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> What is the status of this? I vaguely remember
> hearing about intimidation at some of the public
> hearings about the name change. After reviewing
> some of the material from some of the working
> groups it appears that this name change thing is
> about as much of a screwed up mess now as what it
> was a year ago. From what I see, Cohen is willing
> to chair a fund raising committee but appears to
> the tight wad liberal asshole that I perceived him
> to be, the School Board knows full well that
> paying for this with budgeted funds would equate
> to career suicide, the efforts to poll the
> community was a cluster fuck failure, what info
> they were able to extract through polling
> indicated general indifference but a healthy
> majority against changing the name and finally
> there are extensive doubts that the funds can be
> raised by the FFX community. Did I miss anything?

After Bruce raises money for the name change he's better be ready to do a lot more fundraising. They'll lose a lot of alumni support. They will definitely lose a lot of community support, we are saturated with request in our neighborhood. The Booster club plans on folding, they are tired of struggling, they are not about to start from scratch.

Neither Principal Gros or the PTSA took a position on the name change. Wisely...they didn't want to add to the division and tension among the students. Alber (NAACP) referred to the PSTA as "cowardly", nice guy...more labels.

So Bruce can raise money and Alber and company better step up and roll up their sleeves and do some ACTUAL physical work, besides dividing the community and meeting with his 5 students at the Frozen Dairy Bar. Or is the plan to destroy the community support structure, PSTA and Booster club and walk away?

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Capt.Spellcheck ()
Date: June 02, 2017 11:13PM

FOIA CAN BITE Wrote:
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> time for change Wrote:
> >Hey…but your good at labels.

Hey...but YOU'RE good at spelling and punctuation.

The word...is you're, mother-fucker.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: FOIA CAN BITE ()
Date: June 02, 2017 11:40PM

Capt.Spellcheck Wrote:
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> FOIA CAN BITE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > time for change Wrote:
> > >Hey…but your good at labels.
>
> Hey...but YOU'RE good at spelling and
> punctuation.
>
> The word...is you're, mother-fucker.

No problem, I'll own it, mistakes happen. BFD. More Deep comments from you I see, thanks grammar police. Anything to offer in the way of a cogent response?

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: FOIA CAN BITE ()
Date: June 03, 2017 12:00AM

Speaking of "owning" and saying that only old white people want to keep the name....

Well who wants to change it? How about Alber and Spitz, they're leading the charge, always have been...both are 70, they're on the committee.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Observing ()
Date: June 03, 2017 12:21AM

Capt.Spellcheck Wrote:
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> FOIA CAN BITE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > time for change Wrote:
> > >Hey…but your good at labels.
>
> Hey...but YOU'RE good at spelling and
> punctuation.
>
> The word...is you're, mother-fucker.

Very mature and articulate response! Can you argue and present a case (?), guess not, but YOU'RE the man!

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Inquisitive One ()
Date: June 03, 2017 12:27AM

FOIA CAN BITE Wrote:
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> Speaking of "owning" and saying that only old
> white people want to keep the name....
>
> Well who wants to change it? How about Alber and
> Spitz, they're leading the charge, always have
> been...both are 70, they're on the committee.


The poll taken by the School Board (Janet Evans?) had a breakdown of about 55% against changing the name and 35 for it. In any election that would be considered a landslide.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Inquisitive One ()
Date: June 03, 2017 12:32AM

Here is a thought. With DeVos promoting charter schools it is probable that this type of high school will be available soon. When this takes place all white and literate minorities will enroll elsewhere and the NAACP will have he school to themselves. It can then be renamed NAACP High and they will then be able to hold their graduation at the local McDonalds.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: metalhead ()
Date: June 03, 2017 06:31AM

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> Here is a thought. With DeVos promoting charter
> schools it is probable that this type of high
> school will be available soon. When this takes
> place all white and literate minorities will
> enroll elsewhere and the NAACP will have he school
> to themselves. It can then be renamed NAACP High
> and they will then be able to hold their
> graduation at the local McDonalds.

Yeah, and OJ Simpson can be the football coach!

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: metalhead ()
Date: June 03, 2017 08:23AM

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> FOIA CAN BITE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Speaking of "owning" and saying that only old
> > white people want to keep the name....
> >
> > Well who wants to change it? How about Alber
> and
> > Spitz, they're leading the charge, always have
> > been...both are 70, they're on the committee.
>
>
> The poll taken by the School Board (Janet Evans?)
> had a breakdown of about 55% against changing the
> name and 35 for it. In any election that would be
> considered a landslide.
You're absolutely correct. Only about a third of those agreed with the name change, that's low. Notice how even in Fairfax only a third want the name change, that tells u most people are at bare minimum taking a pragmatic approach to this issue and realize that the cost is beyond outrageous, especially for a school that has actual tangible problems...

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: sb watcher ()
Date: June 03, 2017 09:37AM

"The poll taken by the School Board (Janet Evans?) had a breakdown of about 55% against changing the name and 35 for it. In any election that would be considered a landslide."


You obviously don't watch SB meetings. The SB knows better than the citizens of Fairfax County what is best for you. They pretty much say that any time they vote for anything controversial.


p.s. It's Sandy Evans. Janet Evans is the swimmer.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Florida ()
Date: June 06, 2017 06:42AM

sb watcher Wrote:
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> "The poll taken by the School Board (Janet Evans?)
> had a breakdown of about 55% against changing the
> name and 35 for it. In any election that would be
> considered a landslide."
>
>
> You obviously don't watch SB meetings. The SB
> knows better than the citizens of Fairfax County
> what is best for you. They pretty much say that
> any time they vote for anything controversial.
>
>
> p.s. It's Sandy Evans. Janet Evans is the
> swimmer.

Chamge the damn name.

-the Evans family

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: phelpsmarc ()
Date: June 06, 2017 07:10AM

It sounds ludicrous now but once you give in a bit, these SJW's will keep pushing. First the Confederate monuments, school names, street names. Then they'll move on to the slave holding founding fathers. In 50 yrs, if it still exists, even the Washington Post will be called something else. How does Thurgood Marshall DC sound?

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: phelpsmarc ()
Date: June 06, 2017 07:18AM

My wife was from Cameroon. She didn't know anything about the Civil War, although she probably knew more US history than the average HS student does today. Anyway, we drove through Woodbridge. She asked "Why does Richmond Hwy become Jefferson Davis Hwy?" I said he was the Pres. of the Confederacy and Richmond was the Capitol. Prince William County is less liberal so kept the name. Then, I did my Southern Gentleman impression. "I, Jefferson Davis, Pres. of the CSA...." She laughed.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: HTTR HTTR ()
Date: June 06, 2017 07:36AM

phelpsmarc Wrote:
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> It sounds ludicrous now but once you give in a
> bit, these SJW's will keep pushing. First the
> Confederate monuments, school names, street names.
> Then they'll move on to the slave holding founding
> fathers. In 50 yrs, if it still exists, even the
> Washington Post will be called something else. How
> does Thurgood Marshall DC sound?

Fuck the Post and their slave holder name.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: slippery slopes ()
Date: June 06, 2017 07:37AM

phelpsmarc Wrote:
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> It sounds ludicrous now but once you give in a
> bit, these SJW's will keep pushing. First the
> Confederate monuments, school names, street names.
> Then they'll move on to the slave holding founding
> fathers.

That's a bogus slippery slope argument. One could easily say that if pro-confederates are allowed to name the school after a confederate general, soon they'll start renaming streets after guys like David Duke and building monuments to the Klan.

It's just dumb reasoning.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Patrick Henry ()
Date: June 06, 2017 09:14AM

slippery slopes Wrote:
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> phelpsmarc Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It sounds ludicrous now but once you give in a
> > bit, these SJW's will keep pushing. First the
> > Confederate monuments, school names, street
> names.
> > Then they'll move on to the slave holding
> founding
> > fathers.
>
> That's a bogus slippery slope argument. One could
> easily say that if pro-confederates are allowed to
> name the school after a confederate general, soon
> they'll start renaming streets after guys like
> David Duke and building monuments to the Klan.
>
> It's just dumb reasoning.

Really? Arlington County is going to rename Patrick Henry Elementary! You know the Founding Father who said "Give me liberty or give me death!"

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Incorrect story ()
Date: June 06, 2017 09:28AM

Patrick Henry Wrote:
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> > It's just dumb reasoning.
>
> Really? Arlington County is going to rename
> Patrick Henry Elementary!

That's not accurate. They're building a new school. The new school will house the students from the existing Patrick Henry school. They're choosing a name for the new school. Not renaming the existing structure. And in all fairness there's no reason to automatically just take the name off an old building and put it on a new one.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Curiouswhy ()
Date: June 06, 2017 09:32AM

slippery slopes Wrote:
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> phelpsmarc Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It sounds ludicrous now but once you give in a
> > bit, these SJW's will keep pushing. First the
> > Confederate monuments, school names, street
> names.
> > Then they'll move on to the slave holding
> founding
> > fathers.
>
> That's a bogus slippery slope argument. One could
> easily say that if pro-confederates are allowed to
> name the school after a confederate general, soon
> they'll start renaming streets after guys like
> David Duke and building monuments to the Klan.
>
> It's just dumb reasoning.

Really, what world do you live in (?)...just Google name changes and slavery. Just because you continually post here and other places doesn't make it true. Keep trying to convince yourself.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Patrick Henry ()
Date: June 06, 2017 09:36AM

Incorrect story Wrote:
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> Patrick Henry Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > It's just dumb reasoning.
> >
> > Really? Arlington County is going to rename
> > Patrick Henry Elementary!
>
> That's not accurate. They're building a new
> school. The new school will house the students
> from the existing Patrick Henry school. They're
> choosing a name for the new school. Not renaming
> the existing structure. And in all fairness
> there's no reason to automatically just take the
> name off an old building and put it on a new one.

No. NO reason except that is where the kids are going. Why change it? He was a very important Virginian. But, it appears that many want to ignore our history.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: its time to stop posting ()
Date: June 06, 2017 09:51AM

Patrick Henry
> Why change it?

it's a new building so just admit you're wrong. if they actually were renaming the old building i wouldn't be on here pointing out your failed argument.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Patrick Henry ()
Date: June 06, 2017 09:58AM

its time to stop posting Wrote:
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> Patrick Henry
> > Why change it?
>
> it's a new building so just admit you're wrong.
> if they actually were renaming the old building i
> wouldn't be on here pointing out your failed
> argument.


Gee. That has been the name of the school since 1925. This isn't the first building. Why change it this time?

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Curiouswhy ()
Date: June 06, 2017 10:11AM

its time to stop posting Wrote:
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> Patrick Henry
> > Why change it?
>
> it's a new building so just admit you're wrong.
> if they actually were renaming the old building i
> wouldn't be on here pointing out your failed
> argument.

In total fairness, it wouldn't even be a question had it not now been pointed out that Patrick Henry owned slaves. That is now the sum of his life. Slavery was around from Colonial Virginia right up until the 1860's. You probably won't find a prominent Virginian who lived back then who doesn't have some connection somewhere.

Therefore let's just wipe out all Virginian names and be done with it.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Patrick Henry ()
Date: June 06, 2017 10:26AM

Curiouswhy Wrote:
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> its time to stop posting Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Patrick Henry
> > > Why change it?
> >
> > it's a new building so just admit you're wrong.
>
> > if they actually were renaming the old building
> i
> > wouldn't be on here pointing out your failed
> > argument.
>
> In total fairness, it wouldn't even be a question
> had it not now been pointed out that Patrick Henry
> owned slaves. That is now the sum of his life.
> Slavery was around from Colonial Virginia right up
> until the 1860's. You probably won't find a
> prominent Virginian who lived back then who
> doesn't have some connection somewhere.
>
> Therefore let's just wipe out all Virginian names
> and be done with it.

Yes. Let's just rename Virginia to South Jersey.

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Wasted Weak White Liberals ()
Date: June 06, 2017 11:27AM

If Fairfax County Becomes a City..It Should Be Named...

"Left Virginia" and they don't get statehood..

DAJAX

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Shitlord ()
Date: June 07, 2017 12:09PM

The shitlibs in Arlington are renaming Patrick Henry Elementary to Alice Fleet Elementary, because, racism.

http://www.insidenova.com/headlines/educator-could-be-namesake-of-new-arlington-elementary-school/article_a9d592d6-4610-11e7-a54c-c3547f81f2e0.html

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: calm down retards ()
Date: June 07, 2017 02:20PM

How dare they name the new school after a teacher who was actually from Arlington! These people must be Nazi's!

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Re: If they change JEB Stuart they better change Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Interestingcomment ()
Date: June 07, 2017 09:28PM

calm down retards Wrote:
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> How dare they name the new school after a teacher
> who was actually from Arlington! These people
> must be Nazi's!

No problem, she is deserving of recognition, but what excuse do you have for referring to people as "retards," people who just may feel differently. Glad you're not judgmental of other opinions.. No hypocrisy there?

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