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Tire Rotation
Posted by: 25RW ()
Date: January 15, 2017 07:18PM

How much is a standard Tire Rotation?

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: UmhKY ()
Date: January 15, 2017 07:22PM

1 jack. 20 lug nuts. Couple beers. Do it yourself you lazy ass. Otherwise probably $50

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: NTB ()
Date: January 15, 2017 07:23PM

25RW Wrote:
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> How much is a standard Tire Rotation?

Many shops include a tire rotation with a oil change. Look for coupons to get the best deals, and stay away from Jiffy Lube.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: abelard ()
Date: January 15, 2017 07:28PM

The places I got my tires rotate them for free.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: Jiffy Lube ()
Date: January 16, 2017 07:53AM

The Jiffy Lube on Lee Highway by Rt28 has decent service and the techs do their job well.

They will rotate your tires with an oil change.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: toe jamb driver ()
Date: January 16, 2017 08:00AM

Jiffy Lube Wrote:
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> The Jiffy Lube on Lee Highway by Rt28 has decent
> service and the techs do their job well.
>
> They will rotate your tires with an oil change.


They dont use a torque wrench so they will warp the rotors on your car. Best to go to a real shop.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: Fantom.Shitter ()
Date: January 16, 2017 11:33AM

toe jamb driver Wrote:
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> Jiffy Lube Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Jiffy Lube on Lee Highway by Rt28 has
> decent
> > service and the techs do their job well.
> >
> > They will rotate your tires with an oil change.
>
>
> They dont use a torque wrench so they will warp
> the rotors on your car. Best to go to a real shop.

Can confirm! I had my tires rotated at Jiffy Lube and they over torqued the lug nuts. Sevreal weeks later the rotors became warped. I brought it in to my regular shop and they actually broke 2 sockets getting the wheels off.

Of course when I went back to Jiffy Lube to talk to them about it, they refused to take any responsibility for it...

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: Monkeywrench Mechanic ()
Date: January 16, 2017 11:37AM

Why would inadequately torqued lug nuts cause rotors to warp?

The lug nuts don't usually come into contact with the rotor. They come into contact with the wheel. On some cars the wheel helps keep the rotor seated on the hub, but the amount of pressure required to do this is low. If you don't have this minimum pressure, my guess is that warped rotors aren't your only concern. I can see where extreme over tightening of lug nuts from air wrenches could cause rotor problems, but again that isn't the only problem you'll experience. You'd also be dealing with lug nuts that were impossible to remove if you got a flat, stripped bolts, damaged lug nuts., etc.

My guess is that improperly torqued lug nuts is a convenient excuse to explain rotors that warped for other reasons, such as sever driving, inadequate brake maintenance or defective rotors.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: Deelee ()
Date: January 16, 2017 11:39AM

Jiffy Lube sucks it. There may be some good ones out there, but in general they are not good. Last time I went there to have oil changed and tyres rotated they did something to cause the vehicle to shake badly at speeds over 65 MPH. I took it to NTB and they fixed it right up. Not sure if it was out of balance or what. Oh, and NTB's prices are much lower, too.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: a tech ()
Date: January 16, 2017 11:43AM

Even using torque sticks is a bad idea. A good tech always uses a digital torque wrench. Most jiffy lubes use sticks.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: PnpFN ()
Date: January 16, 2017 11:47AM

a tech Wrote:
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> Even using torque sticks is a bad idea. A good
> tech always uses a digital torque wrench. Most
> jiffy lubes use sticks.

That is dumb. Torque doesn't care if it is measured with a digital or analog wrench. All torque wrenches should be properly cared for and calibrated periodically.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: frup frup ()
Date: January 16, 2017 11:50AM

Monkeywrench Mechanic Wrote:
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> Why would inadequately torqued lug nuts cause
> rotors to warp?
>
> The lug nuts don't usually come into contact with
> the rotor. They come into contact with the wheel.
> On some cars the wheel helps keep the rotor
> seated on the hub, but the amount of pressure
> required to do this is low. If you don't have
> this minimum pressure, my guess is that warped
> rotors aren't your only concern. I can see where
> extreme over tightening of lug nuts from air
> wrenches could cause rotor problems, but again
> that isn't the only problem you'll experience.
> You'd also be dealing with lug nuts that were
> impossible to remove if you got a flat, stripped
> bolts, damaged lug nuts., etc.
>
> My guess is that improperly torqued lug nuts is a
> convenient excuse to explain rotors that warped
> for other reasons, such as sever driving,
> inadequate brake maintenance or defective rotors.

You are stupid.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: Inquisitive One ()
Date: January 16, 2017 11:54AM

Lifetime 5K tire rotation comes with the cost of a full set of tires at Costco. If you wait, Michelin tires are on special for $70 off a set of 4 as well which comes with warranty and nitrogen inflation.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: a tech ()
Date: January 16, 2017 11:59AM

PnpFN Wrote:
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> a tech Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Even using torque sticks is a bad idea. A good
> > tech always uses a digital torque wrench. Most
> > jiffy lubes use sticks.
>
> That is dumb. Torque doesn't care if it is
> measured with a digital or analog wrench. All
> torque wrenches should be properly cared for and
> calibrated periodically.

Yes, a good quality analog wrench is just fine. All torque wrenches need to be checked for proper calibration.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: YesItDoesCare ()
Date: January 16, 2017 12:58PM

PnpFN Wrote:
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> a tech Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Even using torque sticks is a bad idea. A good
> > tech always uses a digital torque wrench. Most
> > jiffy lubes use sticks.
>
> That is dumb. Torque doesn't care if it is
> measured with a digital or analog wrench. All
> torque wrenches should be properly cared for and
> calibrated periodically.

There are torque wrenches and there are torque wrenches...

You are correct that a digital torque wrench is no more or less accurate than an analog one...assuming both are properly calibrated. And yes...torque wrenches need to be calibrated every now and then based on use.

But, a torque stick-style torque wrench is simply not as accurate nor as easy to use as a traditional analog or digital torque wrench. A torque stick has a thin bar that runs parallel to the wrench's arm. At the end of the bar is an indicator which is then fed underneath a marked scale on a perpendicular path to the wrench. As you apply torque, the bar flexes and the indicator moves up the scale. The problem is, in order for this type of torque wrench to provide an accurate reading of the torque, a steady, even amount of pressure must be applied. If not then the wrench won't read accurately.

SAE, the Society of Automotive Engineers, has not approved any torque stick style torque wrench for use by professional mechanics nor has any U.S. dealership servicing cars sold in America certified their use. A torque stick is an inexpensive alternative to a traditional or digital torque wrench which is meant for the casual mechanic.

I would never have a vehicle serviced by someone using a torque stick...and as an aside, despite the length of its arm...do not ever use a torque wrench to loosen a stuck fastener of any kind. A torque wrench is not a breaker bar.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: Fox News ()
Date: January 16, 2017 01:10PM

Jiffy Lube

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: costblo ()
Date: January 16, 2017 02:21PM

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> Lifetime 5K tire rotation comes with the cost of a
> full set of tires at Costco. If you wait,
> Michelin tires are on special for $70 off a set of
> 4 as well which comes with warranty and nitrogen
> inflation.


Costco uses torque sticks, what you save on tires you will spend five fold on new rotors.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: Mr. Goodwrench ()
Date: January 16, 2017 02:26PM

YesItDoesCare Wrote:
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> PnpFN Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > a tech Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Even using torque sticks is a bad idea. A
> good
> > > tech always uses a digital torque wrench.
> Most
> > > jiffy lubes use sticks.
> >
> > That is dumb. Torque doesn't care if it is
> > measured with a digital or analog wrench. All
> > torque wrenches should be properly cared for
> and
> > calibrated periodically.
>
> There are torque wrenches and there are torque
> wrenches...
>
> You are correct that a digital torque wrench is no
> more or less accurate than an analog
> one...assuming both are properly calibrated. And
> yes...torque wrenches need to be calibrated every
> now and then based on use.
>
> But, a torque stick-style torque wrench is simply
> not as accurate nor as easy to use as a
> traditional analog or digital torque wrench. A
> torque stick has a thin bar that runs parallel to
> the wrench's arm. At the end of the bar is an
> indicator which is then fed underneath a marked
> scale on a perpendicular path to the wrench. As
> you apply torque, the bar flexes and the indicator
> moves up the scale. The problem is, in order for
> this type of torque wrench to provide an accurate
> reading of the torque, a steady, even amount of
> pressure must be applied. If not then the wrench
> won't read accurately.
>
> SAE, the Society of Automotive Engineers, has not
> approved any torque stick style torque wrench for
> use by professional mechanics nor has any U.S.
> dealership servicing cars sold in America
> certified their use. A torque stick is an
> inexpensive alternative to a traditional or
> digital torque wrench which is meant for the
> casual mechanic.
>
> I would never have a vehicle serviced by someone
> using a torque stick...and as an aside, despite
> the length of its arm...do not ever use a torque
> wrench to loosen a stuck fastener of any kind. A
> torque wrench is not a breaker bar.


If you've not seen anyone using torque sticks for tire applications, then you've just not been paying attention. Sounds like you just Googled all of that up and don't really know what you're talking about. Your description doesn't even appear to be of a torque stick but of a beam-type torque wrench. Which also are fine and in fact can have some benefits, but that's another matter.

This is a torque stick:

image.php?type=T&id=27


Torque sticks are very commonly used for tire service. You're right in that they aren't precision tools but they don't really need to be for that application. Your wheels don't need to be torqued to .003 precision. The specs typically are given as +/- 10% or %20. As long as you're in the general ballpark you'll be fine. Assuming that you know how to use them, the sticks are simple and relatively accurate and repeatable.

Other than maybe in some unusual circumstances, warping rotors by torquing wheels too tightly largely is an Interweb myth that has been passed on and on and on. In this case even with a completely contrary incorrect myth where, because of a single short article written long ago by Shelby, people will say that rotors NEVER warp and it's all caused by deposition. Much more likely is that someone who is sloppy enough in doing the install to wrench down wheel lugs/nuts to 5X spec will have messed up something else along the way. You might if you really try be able to warp a soft cast aluminum wheel or otherwise get things on there off a little or cause other problems by torquing things unevenly with the wheels in the air or something along those lines before you'll ever warp a heavy carbon steel rotor. Yes, it's better to use a torque wrench. Practically, it's not an application where things really need to be all that precise.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: ASE certified ()
Date: January 16, 2017 03:26PM

Torque sticks are for lazy half-ass mechanics.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: Mr. Goodwrench ()
Date: January 16, 2017 03:37PM

ASE certified Wrote:
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> Torque sticks are for lazy half-ass mechanics.


They're fine if you know how to use them and as they should be used. Actually better vs not as they most commonly are used which is as limiters vs for final torque. put something like a 60 or 80 lb stick on the gun so you can zip things down quickly and won't go over torque and then do final torque to spec by hand.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: Ludwig ()
Date: January 16, 2017 03:51PM

Deelee Wrote:
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> Jiffy Lube sucks it. There may be some good ones
> out there, but in general they are not good. Last
> time I went there to have oil changed and tyres
> rotated they did something to cause the vehicle to
> shake badly at speeds over 65 MPH. I took it to
> NTB and they fixed it right up. Not sure if it was
> out of balance or what. Oh, and NTB's prices are
> much lower, too.


Wouldn't the receipt tell you what they did???

Didn't you talk to the manager about the work done before paying???

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: Harbor Freight Tire Machine ()
Date: January 16, 2017 04:13PM

Don't laugh but this works pretty well for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg4iPmU9OYs

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: eLyDu ()
Date: January 16, 2017 04:31PM

What a dumb troll trick question!

Tires already rotate, dumbass. If you want you can give me $35 and I'll drive your car around the block while your sister blows me and you can watch your tires rotate while I do it.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: VLk4Y ()
Date: January 17, 2017 06:20PM

UmhKY Wrote:
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> 1 jack. 20 lug nuts. Couple beers. Do it yourself
> you lazy ass. Otherwise probably $50

AND SET THE PARKING BRAKE

skip the beer, you'll be done quicker and cheaper, and feel fresher after

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: Jiffy Boob ()
Date: January 17, 2017 07:58PM

Monkeywrench Mechanic Wrote:
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> Why would inadequately torqued lug nuts cause
> rotors to warp?
>
> The lug nuts don't usually come into contact with
> the rotor. They come into contact with the wheel.
> On some cars the wheel helps keep the rotor
> seated on the hub, but the amount of pressure
> required to do this is low. If you don't have
> this minimum pressure, my guess is that warped
> rotors aren't your only concern. I can see where
> extreme over tightening of lug nuts from air
> wrenches could cause rotor problems, but again
> that isn't the only problem you'll experience.
> You'd also be dealing with lug nuts that were
> impossible to remove if you got a flat, stripped
> bolts, damaged lug nuts., etc.
>
> My guess is that improperly torqued lug nuts is a
> convenient excuse to explain rotors that warped
> for other reasons, such as sever driving,
> inadequate brake maintenance or defective rotors.

You are correct. The whole over torquing story is nothing but bullshit. The lug nut torque has no effect on the brake rotors.

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Re: Tire Rotation
Posted by: fat white guy ()
Date: January 18, 2017 10:25AM

I get mine rotated by beaners in the 7-11 parking lot, 15 bucks.

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