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Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: Old Lady In Charge of Dems ()
Date: December 05, 2016 07:22AM


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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: Botox queeen ()
Date: December 05, 2016 07:24AM

HAHAAH! She says our gains were so high in 2006 that we are still the winners. cukoo, cukoo.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: mEKYP ()
Date: December 05, 2016 07:54AM

Maybe she doesn't consider the majority Americans. Bitch.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: Y90 ()
Date: December 05, 2016 11:10AM

Now all they need to do is elect Keith Ellison, a Muslim with ties to Farrakhan to head the DNC to assure the complete and total destruction of the DemocRAT Party.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: just saying ()
Date: December 06, 2016 04:07AM

Demographics of both parties have changed drastically since Reagan. The democrats, my father's party back in the day, had most of the southern, mid western and New England states. It was of broad based support, consisting of the unions and the middle class for the most part. The liberal progressives in the press, the education fields, and such, were the leading element of their philosophical mantra and direction. Then comes the California three, Pelosi, Feinstein, and Boxer, and of course the Clinton's. Bill was popular and the lead in, but Hillary was the political engine of that machine. These left leaning women, for whatever reasons, decided to declare war on males, and white culture in general. Considering that they are all white, and married to white males, by law anyway, it seems ironic and a bit hypocritical. What it has done, is it has created a very narrow version of the democratic party. While Hillary did receive just a bit over half of the popular vote, a very large majority of the land mass of the US has left the party. The congress, ruled for almost 90 years by the democrats with this broad support has now defaulted to the republican party in ever increasing numbers. Lying to the electorate is common political procedure. Lying to yourself and the party rank and file, is political suicide. At some point, the remaining followers of Pelosi may wake up from the dream a few narrow minded devicive women have been pushing, and start representing a larger segment of their districts and electoral members. But as of today, that doesn't appear to be the case. Press on Nancy, the republicans can use all the help you can give them.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: Dr. Memory ()
Date: December 06, 2016 06:34AM

After ending the foreign adventurism of the previous eight years, working through the financial meltdown, managing the stabilization of the global financial system, saving the U.S. auto industry, and fostering seven and one-half years of economic growth without inflation, the democrats should have been poised for another four, or, possibly, eight years, in the White House. All they had to do was not screw it up. But they did. It's probably safe to say there are a lot of highly accomplished political professionals working on that at the moment.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: Just sayin what? ()
Date: December 06, 2016 08:05AM

Let me simplify what the two wind bag posters above me meant:

Democrats let too many illegals in the country and they put a huuuuge finacial burden on america. Dems need more of your hard earned money to feed and educate them.

The majority working class said FU to that, and Trump won.
Save your breath with your fancy words.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: just saying ()
Date: December 06, 2016 08:08AM

How much of that is going to have positive long term results? We now find out that we are running a clandestine war in Syria, which was having us create a tense political situation with Putin and Russia. Obama choose to take large numbers of people from these areas of extreme thought and violence and spread them throughout the United States without the possibility of vetting out anyone who poses a threat to our citizens. Ohio state being the start of this policy. The financial meltdown was in large part due to using Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae as the new HUD, giving large mortgages to under qualified people who defaulted on these loans with little or no repercussions for the institutions or them selfs. As for managing the global financial system, England just opted out , France is under siege from the large Muslim population, Belgium and Germany are struggling to control similar violence, and China is struggling with a growth rate that is less than half of the 8 to 9 percent tgat tgey need just to stay even with their population growth. Chrysler, the smaller of the big three is Italian now being owned by Fiat. Ford was preparing to manufacture all small and mid sized cars in Mexico. GM continues to struggle falling behind Toyota as the worlds largest automobile manufacturer. I don't believe that inflation is being measured accurately. All the goods that I buy for anything in constru have doubled in 8 years. My friends that farm have had their cost double in the past few years. Race relations, which could have been a strength for Obama, are the worst I've seen them since the late sixties, by far. Many of the better paying job creating positions offered by manufacturing have been lost in favor of lower service jobs. We can't build wealth feeding on ourselves while sending our money overseas. 10 to 20 million people now have healthcare for little or no premiums, but how many lost or were on the verge of loosing their healthcare due to double and triple premiums? Most of the people I know were in this situation, myself included. The majority of Obama's political agenda was accomplished by executive order. It wasn't vetted through our representatives in the Congress, so expedient as it was, it can all be wiped out with the stroke of a pen when the new president takes office. Accomplishing anything as president is difficult for either party as contentious as Washington, and therefore,  the country has become. But real long lasting change is hard work, and requires buy in and input and a feeling of inclusion by all the major players involved. It hasn't happened much in the last three presidential administrations in spite of the fact that they all had 8 years to do something of substance. Trump in my opinion is neither Democrat or Republican in nature. He is first most and foremost an American business man who is as sick of the system as a lot of use. Only time and his actions will tell if this is better than the last three or four presidents. At least he has both houses of Congress under one party control to work with. A caution to Republicans;  be careful what you wish for, there is no one to fall back on if you don't get something of consequence done in the next two years.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: 8 years of nothing ()
Date: December 06, 2016 08:17AM

You mean like Obama?

If did nothing that can't be undone with a pink eraser.

Lol

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: Dr. Memory ()
Date: December 06, 2016 11:13PM

The financial crisis was not caused by Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae policy. When mortgages were securitized, i.e., combined into bundles and sold as a single security, then traded as if they were shares of stock, the bundlers convinced money managers they were low risk, or no risk, high-yielding investments. American Insurance Group, better known as AIG, sold insurance that was supposed to cover losses, should the securitized bundles fail. What was not anticipated was the failure to ensure, by careful choice of individual mortgages to make up each bundle, that there were proper ratios of low to high risk mortgages to keep the entire bundle from failing should some of the mortgages therein go into default. When that started to happen, and investors sought relief via their insurance, the insurance turned out to be fraudulent as well. Bundlers created what was initially a good product, money managers bought in, product quality went down, money managers chased higher returns, the air started to leak out of the bubble, and the system started to fail. As always, once the big pools of capital start chasing unrealistic returns, the seeds of destruction are sown and germinate, and everyone in the market tries to keep things going long enough to get their money back before the music stops.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: Dr. Memory ()
Date: December 06, 2016 11:22PM

This is the Wall Street Casino phenomenon. Periodically, someone discovers a new way to pump up returns, or an industry becomes a darling of investors with unrealistic expectations, or financial executives convince investors that a New Economy exists that defies analysis by traditional tools, and the bubble phenomenon starts all over again. The savings and loan crisis of the 1980s is illustrative. S&Ls did small loan and mortgage business with individuals. They turned a respectable and steady profit. Financial operators thought they could do better, bought up S&Ls, combined them, sold stock in them, and conned investors left and right. Eventually the whole industry went bad, taking the rest of the economy down with it.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: Dr. Memory ()
Date: December 06, 2016 11:32PM

The 'dot-com' bubble was a case of magical thinking based on the myth of a New Economy wherein traditional economic thinking does not apply. Some companies such as AOL did well in early internet days, money flowed into their stocks, the price went up, eventually exceeding the point where a reasonable return was no longer possible, and the inevitable contraction began. The boom was allowed to go on to the point of collapse, billions of dollars of paper profits evaporated, and the economy took a couple of years to recover. All of these, including the Bush bust, were the result of hustlers getting into the market and convincing money managers that the latest big thing beats the market overall and is a sure bet. Money managers are compelled to put the funds in their care into something. Big pools like CALPERS and the Orange County employees' pension fund are always somewhere close by when the crisis hits because their managers are under pressure to chase earnings.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: Dr. Memory ()
Date: December 06, 2016 11:44PM

Word to the wise: watch out for legislation to restructure social security and medicare programs in the first quarter of 2017. Right wing ideology has called for an end to social security since its establishment in the 1930s. The basis for this is a belief that governments cannot manage such programs without distorting markets to the overall detriment of the national economy, as well as belief in the inevitability of failure since government employees are not competent to manage public business in an efficient manner. The facts are social security and medicare are very efficient and overhead as a percentage of total program cost has been shrinking. In addition, social security and medicare are critical components of the economy in some of the commonwealth's poorest, and reddest counties. Without government subsidies, such as medicare and medicaid payments, medical services would be non-existent outside major population centers, due to the absence of basic financial underpinnings.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: Dr. Memory ()
Date: December 06, 2016 11:56PM

House Speaker Ryan is said to have legislation in draft, ready for a vote. It is said to be crafted so that no Democratic votes are needed to pass and send to the Senate. It will be structured so that the Senate can, through the reconciliation process, pass the legislation by a majority vote, making it impervious to filibuster. The plan calls for drawing a line at a certain age, so that the older cohort will remain in social security as presently constituted, but younger people will be phased out of social security and into a retirement scheme utilizing private sector actors to manage the money and make payments after retirement. This will turn payroll taxes over to the same people who gave us the S&L fiasco, the dot-com bubble, and the Great Recession of 2008-2009. Further, since many rural areas have a larger percentage of total population receiving social security as their sole source of income than do urban counterparts, we can expect to see cyclical calls for relief for those areas, which means prosperous counties like Fairfax will be expected to save red county voters from their own folly.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: Trimming the Fat ()
Date: December 07, 2016 12:38AM

Dr. Memory Wrote:
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> Word to the wise: watch out for legislation to
> restructure social security and medicare programs
> in the first quarter of 2017. Right wing ideology
> has called for an end to social security since its
> establishment in the 1930s. The basis for this is
> a belief that governments cannot manage such
> programs without distorting markets to the overall
> detriment of the national economy, as well as
> belief in the inevitability of failure since
> government employees are not competent to manage
> public business in an efficient manner. The facts
> are social security and medicare are very
> efficient and overhead as a percentage of total
> program cost has been shrinking. In addition,
> social security and medicare are critical
> components of the economy in some of the
> commonwealth's poorest, and reddest counties.
> Without government subsidies, such as medicare and
> medicaid payments, medical services would be
> non-existent outside major population centers, due
> to the absence of basic financial underpinnings.

Let me opt out of Social Security so I can keep that 6.2% in my pocket. Let the people who can't plan for the future suffer.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: Aunt Clara ()
Date: December 07, 2016 01:09AM

Nancy Pelosi reminds me of the befuddled character Aunt Clara on Bewitched. She was the old, senile witch who was losing her powers due to old age. Whenever she would try to cast a spell it would end in disaster.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: Laugh riot ()
Date: December 07, 2016 08:19AM

Financial Inderpinnings - We all know the SS money was stolen by our law makers years ago.
SS was a ponzie scheme form the beginning.

70 percent of americans have less than $1000 in the back.

Gonna be a shit show soon.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: Dr. Memory ()
Date: December 07, 2016 08:43AM

In large parts of the country, and certainly here in the commonwealth, economics dictates that many people, perhaps a majority of the population, will not earn enough during their working years to have disposable income available for saving sufficient amounts of money to live on in retirement.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: 9mKu3 ()
Date: December 11, 2016 10:19PM

The main change wanted is for Pelosi to get the hell out and retire somewhere else, then institute term limits in Congress.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: Dr. Memory ()
Date: December 12, 2016 06:18PM

The cure isn't term limits, the cure is to increase the number of competitive districts. That goes against the winner-take-all approach the two party system takes to redistricting, however, so it won't change until there is a consensus that real people will get improved performance from their representatives if those representatives have to satisfy at least some voters from the other party in order to win. Districts with 90% majorities are the cause of fear of getting 'primaried' which leads to incumbents going full ideological crazy to keep the fringe from revolting. If success requires capturing the non-straight ticket, non-ideological middle, in addition to a solid base in one's own party, it will force moderation and cooperation and crowd out lunatic fringe, grandstanding legislation.

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Re: Pelocy says America does not want change. Republicans to win again in 2020
Posted by: rodger W ()
Date: December 12, 2016 09:37PM


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