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Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: metamorph ()
Date: December 01, 2016 09:46AM

Interim Superintendent Lockhart is convening the Budget Task Force to address the $134M gap in the FCPS projected budget. If the County transfer is 3% the gap is reduced to $80M and some spending reductions will be required.

What should be cut and how?

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: rtUkL ()
Date: December 01, 2016 09:57AM

Curtail all the free stuff for illegal aliens. Let them pay for their own ESOL if they're here legally. If not, get the fuck out of the USA.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: ZBB ()
Date: December 01, 2016 10:14AM

Zero Based Budgeting.

Long overdue in FCPS.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: December 01, 2016 10:33AM

rtUkL Wrote:
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> Curtail all the free stuff for illegal aliens. Let
> them pay for their own ESOL if they're here
> legally. If not, get the fuck out of the USA.

You are running up against a requirement of the Virginia Constitution and two Supreme Court decisions which makes a daunting wall to break through. There are ways though that we can significantly reduce the cost of educating students with limited English.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: December 01, 2016 10:40AM

ZBB Wrote:
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> Zero Based Budgeting.

This is one solution that I am pushing for. An educational model built on the rapidly increasing revenues of the first half of the last decade cannot be sustained in an era of slower revenue growth.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: metamorph ()
Date: December 01, 2016 11:55AM

Bill.N., consider getting in touch to discuss your ideas - you can pm me here...

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Writing on the wall ()
Date: December 01, 2016 01:09PM

If Lockard is in charge, it won't end well.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: kcjbv ()
Date: December 01, 2016 01:36PM

Get rid of instructional coaches, thin out admin positions, hire more part-time teachers (bargain when they teach 3 of the reg load of 5 for half pay), restructure bus routes so busses run full and sell unneeded busses (use suburbans for handicapped transportation).

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: VPjyX ()
Date: December 01, 2016 02:01PM

what's to know about Lockard??

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: news you can use ()
Date: December 01, 2016 08:44PM

VPjyX Wrote:
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> what's to know about Lockard??


http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/2401766.html

Lockard = Frederick County has been.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: December 02, 2016 05:36PM

metamorph Wrote:
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> Bill.N., consider getting in touch to discuss your
> ideas - you can pm me here...


I will need to get access to another server and computer before I can PM. Hopefully I can do so in the next couple of days.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: RED INK ()
Date: December 02, 2016 09:12PM

If it is not essential, put it on the cutting board. That means sports, cheerleading, marching band, student government, consultants, free laptops, transgender this that and the other, instructional coaches, spokes(wo)men and so on.

Sorry, FCPS, the golden years are over.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: some ideas ()
Date: December 02, 2016 09:18PM

1. Drop idea of renaming schools.
2. No money spent on additional plumbing due to transgender issues.
3. Cut administrative jobs--especially those outside schools.
4. Cut AAP centers. Save mone7y on buses/drivers.
5. Phase out IB. Immediately cancel IB in Middle Schools.
6. Stop constant inservice training that requires teachers to miss school and hire sub.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: here's a wild one ()
Date: December 02, 2016 09:23PM

Get a REAL auditor-and no more spending until that person is on the job. It is clear that Lockard, Zuluaga, Atwater and the rest are challenged but one thing they CAN do is spell SLUSH FUND.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: answer questions ()
Date: December 04, 2016 04:45PM

anyone know if the School Board answered Mr. Kochka's questions?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gTakOP2CmY at 55:00

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Scratching my head ()
Date: December 04, 2016 09:48PM

A bunch of FCPS principals are in Vancouver at a conference. Airfare, hotel, meals, etc...How does this continue during a budget crisis?

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Con ()
Date: December 04, 2016 10:01PM

FCPS has too many directors, coordinators, specialists, coaches sitting around in meetings all day trying to brainstorm new initiatives and load more work on those employees who are actually in the classrooms teaching students. How many fat assistant superintendent salaries are really needed? Enough already!

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: optional ()
Date: December 04, 2016 10:07PM

there's an all day meeting at Gatehouse on the budget and other issues tomorrow (Mon. Dec 5th) starting at 10:00. A Public Engagement meeting is scheduled with Ryan McElveen at 09:00. See you there!

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: please post details ()
Date: December 04, 2016 10:08PM

Scratching my head Wrote:
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> A bunch of FCPS principals are in Vancouver at a
> conference. Airfare, hotel, meals, etc...How does
> this continue during a budget crisis?


Can you post information about this conference? It sounds like a waste of money.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: $$$$$ ()
Date: December 04, 2016 10:20PM


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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: what a waste of money ()
Date: December 04, 2016 10:35PM

https://learningforward.org/docs/default-source/annual-conference/learning-forward-2016-annual-conference-program.pdf

They went all the way to Vancouver for this? I find it hard to believe that there's not some education-oriented outfit in DC with a similar conference. They must have paid for this before they realized the meals tax was dead.

FCPS employees, if they really think they need this, should pay for it out of their own pockets. This is not a good use of public funds.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: ABC ()
Date: December 04, 2016 10:41PM

Instructional Coaches and anyone else on a "teacher contract" that isn't working with students

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: F ()
Date: December 04, 2016 10:46PM

what a waste of money Wrote:
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> https://learningforward.org/docs/default-source/an
> nual-conference/learning-forward-2016-annual-confe
> rence-program.pdf
>
> They went all the way to Vancouver for this? I
> find it hard to believe that there's not some
> education-oriented outfit in DC with a similar
> conference. They must have paid for this before
> they realized the meals tax was dead.
>
> FCPS employees, if they really think they need
> this, should pay for it out of their own pockets.
> This is not a good use of public funds.

Someone should Submit a FOIA for this and all travel expenses for the year

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Always About Money ()
Date: December 04, 2016 10:47PM

I know you will be shocked to learn that on the Board of Trustees for Learning Forward is Deborah Renee Jackson of Fairfax County Public Schools.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Great Powerpoint Batman ()
Date: December 04, 2016 10:54PM

FCPS's own Nicki Conners and Josh Douds provided a presentation that concludes with:

"We need to take our work seriously but we should never be so serious in our work that we stop having fun!"

http://www.learningforwardconference.org/annual15/handouts.cfm

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: More Terrific Info In Canada ()
Date: December 04, 2016 10:58PM

Tina Lane and Jennifer Cunneen of FCPS provide this insight:

"Every system is designed to get the results it’s getting."

http://www.learningforwardconference.org/annual15/handouts.cfm

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Just Ask ()
Date: December 04, 2016 11:02PM

One of the sponsors of the conference is Just Ask publications...more FCPS past and present...SHOCKING!?!?!

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Solutions ()
Date: December 04, 2016 11:04PM

some ideas Wrote:
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> 1. Drop idea of renaming schools.
> 2. No money spent on additional plumbing due to
> transgender issues.
> 3. Cut administrative jobs--especially those
> outside schools.
> 4. Cut AAP centers. Save mone7y on
> buses/drivers.
> 5. Phase out IB. Immediately cancel IB in Middle
> Schools.
> 6. Stop constant inservice training that requires
> teachers to miss school and hire sub.

ALL OF THE ABOVE

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: It gets better ()
Date: December 04, 2016 11:04PM

Not to be outdone, D’Mitriy Pavlovskiy and Payton Marshall have a presentation including a slide on the evolution of the cell phone and a snowball fight.

http://www.learningforwardconference.org/annual15/handouts.cfm

I suppose they don't expect anyone back home to read any of this.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: It's in there! ()
Date: December 04, 2016 11:08PM

Want proof that instructional coaching works? It's in there. Laura Elliott, Rashida Green, and Gail Ritchie of FCPS can show you!

http://www.learningforwardconference.org/annual15/handouts.cfm

How do you spell boondoggle?

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Holy Mother of God ()
Date: December 04, 2016 11:51PM

What a bunch of crap this conference is. You could not make this stuff up.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: thanks for this ()
Date: December 05, 2016 09:09AM

Interesting stuff - thanks for sharing! I wonder if there is a conflicts of interest policy at FCPS? How do you restrict admin/teachers from participating in and profiting from these conferences and consulting (especially when the Supt. shows you how)?

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: good luck enforcing it ()
Date: December 05, 2016 10:32AM

thanks for this Wrote:
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> Interesting stuff - thanks for sharing! I wonder
> if there is a conflicts of interest policy at
> FCPS? How do you restrict admin/teachers from
> participating in and profiting from these
> conferences and consulting (especially when the
> Supt. shows you how)?

FCPS did nothing when Ryan McElveen used FCPS resources as part of his school board re-election campaign. The place is out of control, they spend whatever they like and do not see themselves as accountable to the public.

Smart teachers and admins are taking advantage of the lax enforcement to set themselves up as consultants or move into better jobs. The same can be said of school board members (think Storck and Smith) who use it as a stepping stone to higher office-and all on public funds.

You'd think they'd pay attention to what the voters said on the meals tax-no means no more. But they don't care, they somehow hope Sharon Bulova will come up with more money from somewhere.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: lottery method ()
Date: December 05, 2016 04:14PM

Write the name of each non-teaching type (e.g., assistant principal, deputy superintendent) on a piece of paper.

Put them in a hat and mix them up. Draw 10% of them. If the name is drawn, that person is fired and the position is eliminated (there are special cases such as principal and superintendent).

Write the name of each non-core activity (e.g., football, band, student council) on a piece of paper.

Put them in a hat and mix them up. Draw 20% of them. If something is drawn, it is cancelled.

You get the idea. Do this until the budget balances.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Home From Work ()
Date: December 05, 2016 05:01PM

All day today at Gatehouse: Did you see what's on "The Underground?"

I could not wait to get home to read it.

Way to go guys.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: FCPS job cuts ()
Date: December 05, 2016 07:42PM

Just in case they get serious about cutting spending I am going to start updating my resume.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: LookingOut4our tax ()
Date: December 05, 2016 09:33PM

Cost savings? I guess they could ask Marie Lemmon to pay back all of the money she cost the county with the lawsuits from a few years ago. Then the $ saved could send more gatehouse people to Canada for training. How many of the consultants are still on the tax payers payroll? Just heard that Dan Parris is back. Dear God, they can't find anyone else? SCARY More of the same. How much is his salary costing? $100 + per hour. I'm wondering if he is still a consultant for a company with a FCPS contract like he was last time? He and the head executive principal had a company together- consulting, of course.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: a new era ()
Date: December 06, 2016 07:07AM

the School Board work session was all day yesterday - there's a new recognition by the Board of the 'will of the people'. Elizabeth Schultz mentioned the conference in Vancouver as a bad use of school funds. Staff was on the ropes as Mclaughlin, Schultz and Hough hammered them for not responding to Board requests for information and obstruction. Ms. Schultz complained of getting "data, not meaningful data". Ms. Mclaughlin was incensed that her amendment requesting the Superintendent to identify cost savings had been ignored - since May. Dr. Lockard was pretty quiet but not falling asleep as the Board members called for a "culture of savings" (Wilson). Mr. Moon noted that the Board's default position will be to cut compensation if Staff can't help find other cuts - that woke Staff up! Even Ms. Hynes noted that promised compensation increases were premised on the Meals Tax and now "we have to look at big things" to cut. Many Board members noted that consultants, contractors and off-site travel would be curtailed. Ryan McElveen was subdued and noted that the community voted against teacher salaries with the vote on the Meals Tax and he further noted that the public had lost trust in public institutions. There was a notable recognition of the reality of restricted funds - although how Staff will respond is not yet clear. The next step is to see what the Board Task Force can identify for cuts and then see what the School Board can get Staff to implement...

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Dr. Lockard ()
Date: December 06, 2016 07:47AM

"All schools are authorized to send out for pizza today for the entire staff using the pcards."

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: 34506 ()
Date: December 06, 2016 09:33AM

F Wrote:
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> what a waste of money Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> https://learningforward.org/docs/default-source/an
>
> >
> nual-conference/learning-forward-2016-annual-confe
>
> > rence-program.pdf
> >
> > They went all the way to Vancouver for this? I
> > find it hard to believe that there's not some
> > education-oriented outfit in DC with a similar
> > conference. They must have paid for this before
> > they realized the meals tax was dead.
> >
> > FCPS employees, if they really think they need
> > this, should pay for it out of their own
> pockets.
> > This is not a good use of public funds.
>
> Someone should Submit a FOIA for this and all
> travel expenses for the year




https://www.fcps.edu/freedom-information-act

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Thanks for all this info... ()
Date: December 06, 2016 09:51AM

a new era Wrote:
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"the School Board work session was all day
yesterday - there's a new recognition by the Board
of the 'will of the people'...the School Board can get Staff to implement...
Thanks for this post, lots of insight. Interesting to me because HRC won Fairfax County, had she not, the talk would be Fairfax County was just too conservative….there would have been no reflection.
"McElveen was subdued and noted that the community voted against teacher salaries..."

Not me Ryan…I voted directly against the board. The reasons why?
PAT HYNES for publicly trashing local small business who was already giving to the schools: As said before she is welcome to disagree but she should have kept her mouth shut. They had the right to protect their business.

RYAN McELVEEN for his outright lie, a Ryan McElveen Quote….
"I spent the better part of last summer researching the changes that were made to the FCPS school naming policy in the late 1950s that allowed for schools to be named in honor of JEB Stuart and Robert E. Lee…………… At that time, two high schools were slated to open within the next two years: Franconia High School and Munson Hill High School. But as a result of the policy change, Superintendent W.T. Woodson proposed substitute names for those schools that were controversial even at the time: Robert E. Lee High School and JEB Stuart High School...." A Total LIE and embellished to boot.

This is proven wrong in the School Board meeting minutes of 5/20/1958. Lee High School was simply named "Lee" for the Lee district. The naming of High Schools in order were Lee, (for the Lee district) Jeb Stuart and James Madison in 1958. Thomas Edison, George Marshall, and W.T. Woodson in 1960, Thomas Jefferson in 1962. Out of the 7 High Schools named only one was for a confederate. There was no defiance. In 1963 Lee was renamed at the request of the SPTA. (SB minutes 7/16/63). That was six years later.
https://insys.fcps.edu/schoolboardapps/searchmenu.cfm

So the CURRENT BOARD sits by and continues to trash Woodson and the 1958 board without one word of defense. If they want to be PC and change the name, at least have the guts to stop that stupid comment SANDY…"we don't know what was in their hearts and minds" These are people who worked hard for many years doing the same job you are now and it's ok to let everybody think they were racist because they are dead? The School Board is in receipt of letters written by their children, now in their 70's, they are horrified by the accusation.

The CURRENT BOARD for being gutless when the Democratic Party asked for Schultz resignation. Rather than taking the opportunity to say…..this is how democracy works, she is entitled to her opinion, the board all stayed silent.

I have no respect for most on this board.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Next Meeting on this? ()
Date: December 06, 2016 09:28PM

Anybody know are there any more special meetings scheduled for this topic?

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: online ()
Date: December 06, 2016 09:52PM

check the FCPS website and look for Board Docs which has all the meetings, agendas, and supporting materials - start here: https://www.fcps.edu/school-board/school-board-meetings

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: try this instead ()
Date: December 06, 2016 09:55PM


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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Ryan McElveen and the TRUTH ()
Date: December 07, 2016 10:28AM

When people voted against the meals tax, they did not necessarily vote against teacher salaries.

Some merely voted against the idea of a new tax.

Some merely voted against the idea of more funds being allocated to FCPS without any form of accountability.

This second position would trouble Mr. McElveen.

It is possible that some did, in fact, vote against the specific notion of teacher salary increses, but there is no data to support this position or to document how many "no" votes were cast for this reason.

Ryan McElveen is trying to cast the voters in a bad light. The truth of the matter is that he is upset that a potential source of funding for wasteful and self-serving initiatives at FCPS was eliminated.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: more nonsense ()
Date: December 07, 2016 12:31PM

One of the conference presentations linked above, by Heiligenstein and Douds of FCPS is a one page presentation matrix with 48 sources cited!! You just can't make this stuff up...

Someone at Gatehouse should call these two in and have a talk about teaching kids from the front of a classroom.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: whaaa ()
Date: December 07, 2016 04:29PM

thanks for this Wrote:
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> Interesting stuff - thanks for sharing! I wonder
> if there is a conflicts of interest policy at
> FCPS? How do you restrict admin/teachers from
> participating in and profiting from these
> conferences and consulting (especially when the
> Supt. shows you how)?

Check out the conflicts of interest policy here: http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=867SDB2A7561

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Accounting ()
Date: December 07, 2016 10:16PM

Looks like the Vancouver trip cost taxpayers $3,000 per person at a minimum. Sad that for the cost of one attendee, schools could certainly spend that money on a bus for an afterschool or summer program, for example. For every 20 attendees, that's AN ADDITIONAL TEACHER or an additional hundreds of substitute teachers paid so hundreds of teachers could attend professional development.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Spend, spend and spend some more ()
Date: December 08, 2016 07:57AM

And they wonder why the meals tax lost. FCPS would rather pay people to attend a conference outside the country instead of give raises to the teachers.

$3,000/person is just insulting.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: how many ()
Date: December 08, 2016 09:28AM

where does the $3,000/person come from? How many attendees from FCPS?

This has made waves even at the School Board...
Below is the url for the Budget Questions p. 73 is the FCPS response to Supervisor Herrity's question about travel expenses.
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/9WNP255A4D82/$file/FY2016Responses%20for%20Posting5-19-15.pdf

Not too much interesting - total spend over 2 years is ~$1.8M or about $65/teacher.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: There is no excuse for this ()
Date: December 08, 2016 10:18AM

Sorry, there is just no way to justify sending people to this conference. Who approved it?

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: ahem. ()
Date: December 08, 2016 02:07PM

There is no excuse for this Wrote:
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> Sorry, there is just no way to justify sending
> people to this conference. Who approved it?

per FCPS Regulation 5310.10 Section VII A 4 c - the Superintendent must approve travel outside of the contiguous 48 states


http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/9RFE6F6E1619/$file/R5310.pdf

Call Mr. Lockard EdD
Department Contact Information
571-423-1010

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Disney Gone ()
Date: December 08, 2016 02:45PM

Does this mean they don't get to go to Disney in June any more?

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: travel agent ()
Date: December 08, 2016 03:47PM

Travel to Disney falls under the authority of "goofy" and therefore any AP can approve.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: here's a question ()
Date: December 08, 2016 04:09PM

ahem. Wrote:
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> There is no excuse for this Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sorry, there is just no way to justify sending
> > people to this conference. Who approved it?
>
> per FCPS Regulation 5310.10 Section VII A 4 c -
> the Superintendent must approve travel outside of
> the contiguous 48 states
>
>
> http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/fi
> les/9RFE6F6E1619/$file/R5310.pdf
>
> Call Mr. Lockard EdD
> Department Contact Information
> 571-423-1010

Did Garza approve this before she decided to quit, or did Lockard approve it in his capacity as acting suerintendent?

Either way, the optics suck.

There is no good reason for all of those people to have gone to a conference in Canada. It is just a boondoggle.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: yupper ()
Date: December 08, 2016 05:18PM

How many went? Did they have a good time?

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: glkjhrgiuyg ()
Date: December 08, 2016 08:51PM

here's a question Wrote:
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> ahem. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There is no excuse for this Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Sorry, there is just no way to justify
> sending
> > > people to this conference. Who approved it?
> >
> > per FCPS Regulation 5310.10 Section VII A 4 c -
> > the Superintendent must approve travel outside
> of
> > the contiguous 48 states
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/fi
>
> > les/9RFE6F6E1619/$file/R5310.pdf
> >
> > Call Mr. Lockard EdD
> > Department Contact Information
> > 571-423-1010
>
> Did Garza approve this before she decided to quit,
> or did Lockard approve it in his capacity as
> acting suerintendent?
>
> Either way, the optics suck.
>
> There is no good reason for all of those people to
> have gone to a conference in Canada. It is just a
> boondoggle.

There is a very likely possibility that NOBODY approved ANYTHING because FCPS doesn't follow their own rules. They wander around totally lost in outer space most of the time.

Somebody can start pulling trip claims in February. They have 30 days to turn them in, so give them some time, then FOIA away.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: causeican ()
Date: December 08, 2016 09:59PM

boondoggle. good word.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: $3,000 ()
Date: December 08, 2016 10:25PM

$800-$1,100 airfare
$1,000 ($200-300/night at hotel (5 nights))
$100 parking at airport
$1,000 conference fees
Dinner out...taxi cabs...etc.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: fox guarding hen coop ()
Date: December 08, 2016 11:34PM

I guess since there's no auditor, turning in real receipts is a choice.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: 54368yhg987g ()
Date: December 09, 2016 08:43AM

fox guarding hen coop Wrote:
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> I guess since there's no auditor, turning in real
> receipts is a choice.


Actually, they turn in receipts. They don't have to have receipts for meals. That is under food per diem. But, they pretty much ignore the limits for the hotel, upgrade their rooms, tend to claim food per diem for days not traveled, etc. Now, the School Board took themselves off of per diem and went out for an over-the-top dinner courtesy of the taxpayers. I guess they are too good for per diem limits.

Were meals included in the conference? That's another good one. They aren't allowed to double-dip. They do it anyway.

They love to work it. Boondoggle barely describes what they do. Greedy assholes is more like it.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: fox again ()
Date: December 09, 2016 09:06AM

we're about to see if the Budget Task Force will eliminate off-site travel and reduce local travel - depends on how serious they are about focusing on children and how much money comes through from the County...

Where is the Auditor?

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: tgb ()
Date: December 09, 2016 09:21AM

Eliminate:

Level IV AAP
Instructional coaches
Meetings/trainings that require substitutes
Field trips covered by FCPS (ex. 4th grade visit to NSO)
IB
Any paying of test fees (AP)

Initiate:
Pay to play
Half day kindergarten
Higher fees (community use, parking, etc)

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: how about? ()
Date: December 09, 2016 09:51AM

Cut the 18.4% - $488M - of the Budget going to 9% of the children

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Freakshow ()
Date: December 09, 2016 12:27PM

The latest proposal on the budget came out yesterday on the FCPS website. The school board is "studying" changes to the county retirement system (ERFC). Not looking good for the pensions.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: stop studying and start doing ()
Date: December 09, 2016 01:25PM

How about going from five "pyramids" to three?

How about eliminating the executive principal position(s) in each pyramid?

etc.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: one more ()
Date: December 09, 2016 02:16PM

So, I'm advised that someone in FCPS approved a contract with Battelle for $300,000. Per Policy 5011, any contract in excess of $250,000 requires Board approval. This contract was not approved by the Board and was left off the quarterly report that the Superintendent makes to the Board. Interim Supt. Lockard sent a note to the Board explaining that the absence of the contract from the report was an oversight but also claiming that the contract did not require the Board's approval as it was not for "professional services".

Can anyone point me to the Report on Board Docs or a copy of Lockard's communication to the Board?

It's hard to believe that a $300,000 contract could be signed and not approved per policy, or reported, and then be claimed to be outside of the purview of the Board.

Maybe we should ask the Board to cancel the contract with Battelle on the grounds of being not approved by the Board - we know who to call in Battelle's office...

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Freakshow ()
Date: December 09, 2016 02:26PM

one more Wrote:
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> So, I'm advised that someone in FCPS approved a
> contract with Battelle for $300,000. Per Policy
> 5011, any contract in excess of $250,000 requires
> Board approval. This contract was not approved by
> the Board and was left off the quarterly report
> that the Superintendent makes to the Board.
> Interim Supt. Lockard sent a note to the Board
> explaining that the absence of the contract from
> the report was an oversight but also claiming that
> the contract did not require the Board's approval
> as it was not for "professional services".
>
> Can anyone point me to the Report on Board Docs or
> a copy of Lockard's communication to the Board?
>
> It's hard to believe that a $300,000 contract see
> could be signed and not approved per policy, or
> reported, and then be claimed to be outside of the
> purview of the Board.
>
> Maybe we should ask the Board to cancel the
> contract with Battelle on the grounds of being not
> approved by the Board - we know who to call in
> Battelle's office...


How do you think Karen got her job at Battele?? She greased the wheel s to make it happen.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: fox ()
Date: December 09, 2016 02:52PM

okay - she greased the skids... But how do I find the documents? They should be public in that they are between the Superintendent and the Board and concern public funds.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: TBT ()
Date: December 09, 2016 05:11PM

This contract must be explained. Battelle supports the common core as part of their mission. We don't have the common core in VA.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Hmmmmm ()
Date: December 09, 2016 09:28PM

That sucky new www.fcps.edu website looks a lot like www.battelleforkids.org website. Maybe it cost $300,000 to design the new school one...

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: FCPS is crooked ()
Date: December 10, 2016 08:27AM

FCPS is one big slush fund. No auditor, no compliance with regualations, and all sorts of questionable spending. The defeat of the meals tax is proof that FCPS is not trusted or respected.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: what happened ()
Date: December 10, 2016 12:02PM

What happened to Goli Trump? What is going on with the Synergistics contract? What did the Audit committee know and when did they know it? What has John Foster told everyone that is keeping anyone from describing what is going on at FCPS?

How can we trust an organization that "suspends" the General Auditor and makes no public statement. The Auditor (Goli Trump) was put on "paid administrative leave" in July 2016. And then the Audit Mgr (Chris Horton) resigned. What is going on??

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: ok what's going on? ()
Date: December 10, 2016 06:26PM

The money being used to pay the auditor NOT to work is money wasted. FCPS needs a swift kick in the ass.

Dr. Lockard/the school board need to get it together and get it together fast.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Big Savings ()
Date: December 10, 2016 06:52PM

Cut HS and MS from 7 classes to 6. That will eliminate a lot electives which will reduce the amount of teachers needed and close the budget gap for more than a year.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: suffer the children ()
Date: December 10, 2016 07:56PM

"Cut HS and MS from 7 classes to 6. That will eliminate a lot electives which will reduce the amount of teachers needed and close the budget gap for more than a year."

sounds like a good idea . . . punish the kids and teachers and central administration bloated and unresponsive . . . you must be posting from central office.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: previous error ()
Date: December 10, 2016 07:57PM

*leave central administration bloated and unresponsive

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: causeican ()
Date: December 10, 2016 08:06PM

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/10/2016 08:06PM by causeican.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: 3w54ypiuyf96t ()
Date: December 10, 2016 08:15PM

Nobody at FCPS cares about their regulations or the state laws they are supposed to follow. There aren't any consequences, because the School Board doesn't give a shit. The Super is allowed to do whatever they want and they have the final say on personnel issues, etc. The School Board lets them get away with this crap.

It is a rigged system.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: just maybe ()
Date: December 10, 2016 11:13PM

In Quincy MA the school system was so corrupt that the State sent in one of the Universities to take it over and clean it up. Maybe Tom Davis would bring in the professionals at GMU and restructure FCPS. I'll bet there is money wasted everywhere except in paying teachers. Why don't the teachers rat on the wasteful spending at Gatehouse? Then there might be enough money for a raise.

What about making Gatehouse workers be paid at same pay as teachers? Seems like a good idea.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: metamorph ()
Date: December 12, 2016 09:33AM

Bill.N. Wrote: There are ways though that we can significantly reduce the cost of educating students with limited English.


Looking for these "ways" to significantly reduce the cost....

Bill.N. - consider getting in touch.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: send them home ()
Date: December 12, 2016 09:42AM

metamorph Wrote:
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> Bill.N. Wrote: There are ways though that we
> can significantly reduce the cost of educating
> students with limited English.
>
>
> Looking for these "ways" to significantly reduce
> the cost....
>
> Bill.N. - consider getting in touch.


We can start with deporting all the illegals. Right now.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: what can and cannot be done ()
Date: December 12, 2016 12:07PM

FCPS is not in a position to deport illegals.

It is, however, in a position NOT to waste money on things like Battelle for Kids and the mindfulness initiative.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: send them home ()
Date: December 12, 2016 12:36PM

I think proof of citizenship should be required in order to obtain public educational services. I don't taxpayers should be footing the bill for kids who are not here legally.

Real American citizens who try to enroll their kids in FCPS but are not entitled to county services, or who play games to get their kids into a different school than the one they are assigned to, or game the FRM system get in trouble.Why should people who are here illegally be entitled to FCPS services?

Add proof of citizenship to the list. It isn't on there. Birth certificate, lease, etc. But not proof of citizenship. If you can't produce an American birth certificate, you have some explaining to do. And I think they need to remove "if you are born in America you are automatically a US citizen" from the definition. One of your parents should have to be a US citizen, and you should be willing to submit to a DNA test if necessary.


Both of these should fix a lot of problems. You quit providing services to these people, coming here won't be so attractive. Once they get in the schools, they start milking the system for breakfast and lunch, reduced fees, etc.

Other countries require proof of citizenship for these kinds of services. Why not us? NO MORE HANDOUTS.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: only so much can be done ()
Date: December 12, 2016 03:42PM

FCPS can't deport people or refuse to educate illegal children or the children of illegals.

What FCPS *can* do is stop wasting money on consultants, turf fields, Battelle for Kids, the Buck Institute, the mindfulness initiative, free laptops and bloated administration.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: send them home ()
Date: December 12, 2016 04:00PM

"FCPS can't deport people or refuse to educate illegal children or the children of illegals."

I realize this but I still say this should be fixed.

FCPS would not deport people. They would deny services to them, like free school/free breakfast/free lunch/discounted classes. They would just say NO. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! We should not have to pay for this crap for kids who are here illegally. We spend over $13,000 a year per child to educate them, and lots more for ESL instruction.

Change the laws. Change the policies. Coming to America should not become a free ride for illegals. Shut down this gravy train.

I realize that we will still have non-Americans who are here legally with their children (diplomats, temporary or permanent workers, etc.), and those children need to be educated. That can be handled differently. We obviously still have the ESL issues, but they should be decreased.

Nobody has the right to come across the border and then tap into taxpayer-funded services, unless those services are being used to SEND THEM HOME. And we spend a fortune sending people where they came from. This is just ridiculous. They all have a lot of nerve sauntering into this country and then squatting around here soaking up benefits.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Waste ()
Date: December 12, 2016 09:26PM

Waste? The real waste is spending on the bloated salaries of central office staff. Too many HR incompetents, too many administrators, too many directors, specialists, coordinators, coaches, liaisons, and the list goes on. There's certainly no need for their 11 and 12 month contracts. Send them packing, FCPS would save millions and nobody would even notice their absence.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: December 12, 2016 11:07PM

send them home Wrote:
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>
> FCPS would not deport people. They would deny
> services to them, like free school

Are you aware that to do that you would need to amend the Constitution? The U.S. Supreme Court said several decades ago that you cannot refuse to admit illegals to U.S. public primary and secondary schools, and you cannot charge them for the privilege of attending those schools. So far even conservative Supreme Court justices have showed little inclination to change that. With a Supreme Court ruling in the way you can't simply have a Republican controlled Congress pass a law saying they have to pay, because the law will be challenged and it will be struck down.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Send them home ()
Date: December 13, 2016 07:10AM

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> send them home Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > FCPS would not deport people. They would deny
> > services to them, like free school
>
> Are you aware that to do that you would need to
> amend the Constitution? The U.S. Supreme Court
> said several decades ago that you cannot refuse to
> admit illegals to U.S. public primary and
> secondary schools, and you cannot charge them for
> the privilege of attending those schools. So far
> even conservative Supreme Court justices have
> showed little inclination to change that. With a
> Supreme Court ruling in the way you can't simply
> have a Republican controlled Congress pass a law
> saying they have to pay, because the law will be
> challenged and it will be struck down.



Try again. We are sick of it. They are sucking us dry.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: not so clear... ()
Date: December 13, 2016 08:21AM

The Plyler v. Doe case that Bill.N. refers to is not so determinative as he suggests. It was decided in 1982 by 5-4 and is certainly open to contradiction/clarification through legislation. It may also be vulnerable to an argument that education of "illegals" compromises the education of citizen children. The 14th Amendment has not always been interpreted as supporting the idea of "equal protection of the law" - even to citizens (e.g. the Japanese interned during WWII). I support educating "illegals" and taxing them for the cost of their education (just like everyone else).

What were the facts of Plyler v. Doe?

In 1975, the Texas Legislature authorized local school districts to deny enrollment in public schools to foreign-born children who were not “legally admitted” to the United States. Two years later, the TylerIndependentSchool District adopted a policy requiring foreign-born students to pay tuition if they were not “legally admitted.” Under the school district’s policy, children were considered “legally admitted” if (1) they possessed documentation showing that they were legally present in the United States, or (2) federal immigration authorities confirmed they were in the process of securing such documentation.

Shortly thereafter, a group of students from Mexico who could not establish that they were “legally admitted” brought a class action lawsuit challenging the policy. The district court, after making extensive findings of fact, held that the policy violated the Constitution and was also “preempted” by federal immigration law. A federal appeals court upheld the injunction, although its decision rested on constitutional rather than preemption grounds. The school district then filed a petition with the Supreme Court, which granted the case for review.
What was the basis for the Supreme Court’s ruling?

The Court based its ruling on the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which says in part, “No State shall … deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” (This provision is commonly known as the “Equal Protection Clause.”) Under this provision, the Court held that if states provide a free public education to U.S. citizens and lawfully present foreign-born children, they cannot deny such an education to undocumented children without “showing that it furthers some substantial state interest.”

The Court found that the school district had no rational basis to deny children a public education based on their immigration status, given the harm the policy would inflict on the children themselves and society as a whole. “By denying these children a basic education,” the Court said, “we deny them the ability to live within the structure of our civic institutions, and foreclose any realistic possibility that they will contribute in even the smallest way to the progress of our Nation.” The Court also said that holding children accountable for their parents’ actions “does not comport with fundamental conceptions of justice.”
Did the dissent suggest that undocumented children should be prevented from attending school?

No. To the contrary, the dissent acknowledged that it “is senseless for an enlightened society to deprive any children—including [unauthorized immigrants]—of an elementary education,” in part because “the long-range costs of excluding any children from the public schools may well outweigh the costs of educating them.” Instead, the dissent argued that the Court should defer to the school district’s policy because the Constitution does not officially prevent discrimination against unlawfully present immigrants.
Did the Court say its opinion would change if evidence existed that educating undocumented children reduces the quality of education for other students?

No. The majority noted that the record in the case did not support “the claim that exclusion of undocumented children is likely to improve the overall quality of education in the State.” However, the remark was not central to the Court’s reasoning or otherwise intended to leave open the question. The Court also said that even if barring one group of children from schools was likely to improve the overall quality of education, the school district would still have to justify applying the prohibition to undocumented children.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Let's keep it simple ()
Date: December 13, 2016 09:26AM

Being in the country illegally is against the law. I don't care if the person is a minor or not. I don't care how they got here. Their parents need to quit doing this crap.
Why should we use public funds to support and promote illegal activities and people who do illegal things?

I am saying bullshit.

Quit rewarding this kind of behavior and they will get the message fairly quickly.

Send them home. Require proof of citizenship or legal status to obtain public services.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: how many ()
Date: December 13, 2016 09:58AM

of the 188,000 children in the FCPS system, how many are "illegal"?

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: don't ask don't tell ()
Date: December 13, 2016 01:34PM

how many Wrote:
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> of the 188,000 children in the FCPS system, how
> many are "illegal"?


Nobody will ever know because it is don't ask, don't tell. Go roam outside at Falls Church HS at about 2:15 and take a guess.

Probably a whole bunch. At $13,000+ a child, it adds up fast.

They need to cut this crap out.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: probably not... ()
Date: December 13, 2016 03:28PM

not a good idea to be roaming around the HS at 2:15...

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: do the math ()
Date: December 13, 2016 03:46PM

100 illegal kids is $1.3 million. Take it from there.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: more ugly math ()
Date: December 13, 2016 09:49PM

1,000 illegal kids is $13 million. At least. Probably more, with all the ESL needed by these kids.
10,000 illegal kids is $130 million.

Let's say there are 150 different schools (how many are there?). Even half a dozen illegals per school is 900 kids.

That's a lot of taxpayer dollars going to support illegal activity.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: pay me my money ()
Date: December 16, 2016 09:12AM

Now they're going after the pension. The ERFC pension is underfunded and they want to increase retirement age and increase the employee contribution and they say the teachers pay should be increased to "align with Arlington". How can they keep bleeding a stone?

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: December 16, 2016 12:50PM

more ugly math Wrote:
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> 1,000 illegal kids is $13 million.

Spending does not run in a linear fashion. If you cut a kid you save $13,000 and if you add a kid you spend $13,000.

There are approximately 22 high schools, 3 secondary schools, 23 middle schools and 196 elementary schools in Fairfax County. If you cut the school population by 1,000 students that would amount to less than 1 student per grade per school if spread across the county. You are not going to see elementary schools cutting classroom teachers just because they got 7 fewer kids than last year. Even if you assume that illegals are concentrated in roughly 25% of the schools in the eastern and southern part of the county and you assume 2,000 students are cut you are still only talking about 5 students per grade per school. In many elementary schools that amounts to slightly more than 1 kid per classroom. If you are going to obtain serious spending cuts you can't get them by just pushing a few hundred or even a couple of thousand kids out of the system.

If you want to obtain serious cuts in spending you need to look at reducing payroll. The usual threat is to cut classroom teacher positions and pack more kids in per class, but this is not necessary. Current spending levels are more than adequate to support a roughly 1:25 teacher/student ratio and leave adequate funds for custodial staff, cafeteria staff, and small administration. What they cannot do is fund the staffing needed for such basic classes plus all the other programs that FCPS is running. If you want to cut spending significantly without significantly adversely affecting the teacher/student ratio, we need to be looking at reducing or eliminating PROGRAMS.

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: December 16, 2016 12:52PM

That should have said "Spending does not run in a linear fashion WHERE if you cut a kid you save $13,000 and if you add a kid you spend $13,000."

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Re: Interim Superintendent resuscitating Budget Task Force - any advice?
Posted by: okay Bill ()
Date: December 16, 2016 01:47PM

Okay Bill - what PROGRAMS should be cut?

Elementary Magnet schools
Reading Initiatives
Young Scholars
IB Middle school
JROTC
Adapted Curriculum - Special Education
Career & Transition Services - Special Education
Early childhood Identification and Services
Therapy Services
Achievement, Integrity and Maturity
Alternative Learning Centers
Inter-agency Alternative Schools
Language Immersion
Sports

What would you cut? The Budget Task Force wants to know...

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