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Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: home of the brave ()
Date: October 28, 2016 10:30AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/she-was-my-constant-companion-no-charges-in-fatal-dog-shooting-on-virginia-park-trail/2016/10/27/4b5f504c-9c57-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html

Susan R. Smith lost her best companion this week — a 10-month-old, black labrador mix — after a man shot and killed her in a park.

Smith said she was walking her dog, Macie, on Tuesday afternoon along with a friend and the friend’s dog at Algonkian Regional Park, near her home in Loudoun County.

Smith, of Sterling, Va., said she had Macie off her leash, which she acknowledges is in violation of county rules. They came upon a couple walking toward them on a path and when her dog began to jump behind the man, he shot and killed it, Smith said.

The man was not charged and Loudoun County Animal Services officials said their investigation found that the man acted in self-defense after the two dogs were “behaving aggressively.”

The man had a license to carry a concealed weapon in Virginia, authorities said. He couldn’t be reach for comment.



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I feel safe going to parks knowing guys like this are there to protect my freedums and keep me safe. Everyone should have a gun on them.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Bigpoosay ()
Date: October 28, 2016 11:05AM

The woman should feel guilty that this is her fault for not keeping a dog in a leash. The guy should go choke on a tampon for not being able to handle a 10 month old dog...

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Colin Cap-A-Nigga ()
Date: October 28, 2016 11:53AM

OP is a fucking idiot liberal.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: KKKillary KKKlinton. ()
Date: October 28, 2016 12:06PM

So the lady broke the law and on top of that, had an aggressive dog off leash that could have injured a person or even killed a child. The man was within the limits of the law and did what any reasonable American would've done in a threatening scenario such as this.

Too bad for the dog the owner murdered it for no reason.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: gun-tardz ()
Date: October 28, 2016 12:13PM

Only a complete pussy gun-tard would

- need to carry a gun in a park in fucking Loudoun, VA
- Feel that their life is being threatened by a 10 month old puppy


Lets be real, a 10 month old lab will scratch you up at worst.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Coming out in the wash ()
Date: October 28, 2016 12:19PM

Eventually, his name will be posted. Then his life will turn to hell and he will eventually have to move. I wonder if he'll think it was worth it at that point.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: No Dog Fan Here ()
Date: October 28, 2016 12:39PM

But what kind of douche bag shoots a puppy. What an asshole. I fucking hate dogs and don't and never will own one but what that scared little man did is unconscionable. Wonder what the shooters companion thinks of him now. What a fuck tard.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: obviously ()
Date: October 28, 2016 12:41PM

The shooter is almost certainly a card carrying Republican. They hate all that is right and good with the world. The woman not having the dog on a leash doesn't give the man carte blanche to shoot a harmless animal to death.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: agreed ()
Date: October 28, 2016 12:45PM

No Dog Fan Here Wrote:
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> But what kind of douche bag shoots a puppy. What
> an asshole. I fucking hate dogs and don't and
> never will own one but what that scared little man
> did is unconscionable. Wonder what the shooters
> companion thinks of him now. What a fuck tard.


Yeah, takes a real fucking pussy to shoot a puppy that's just jumping around excitedly. I wasn't there obviously but I guaranfuckingtee you he wasn't in any danger. A black lab? Fuck, what's it going to do cuddle someone to death?

Probably one of those guys who has an irrational fear of dogs. My neighbor has this but she's an old lady, my golden retriever ran over to her tail wagging and she kicked it in the stomach. No warning, no attempt by her to get away she just instinctively teed off on it. Some people are fucked up like that, I can't explain what would make a human being do that kind of shit.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: video of the attack ()
Date: October 28, 2016 12:52PM

Here are the pups last moments, what a vicious dog he was


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RIP

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Asshole Spotter ()
Date: October 28, 2016 01:00PM

obviously Wrote:
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> The shooter is almost certainly a card carrying
> Republican. They hate all that is right and good
> with the world. The woman not having the dog on a
> leash doesn't give the man carte blanche to shoot
> a harmless animal to death.


Way to try and make it political fucktard. Geez, not everything is life is about politics asshole.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: common sense. ()
Date: October 28, 2016 01:22PM

Anyone who can't recognize the lack of threat from a 10-month-old puppy (being walked by a suburban female) should not have a gun.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: future utopia ()
Date: October 28, 2016 01:35PM

I'm looking forward to a future inwhich everyone is carrying, and in the heat of the moments dogs are shot and dog shooters get shot a moment later.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: reflex ()
Date: October 28, 2016 02:50PM

I too have a CC permit and wonder if I was walking my dog and someone pulled his gun and shot her whether I would have then shot the shooter.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Hillary ! ()
Date: October 28, 2016 03:14PM

I would have shot the dog, and the owner. Then convinced the voters it was a suicide.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: 911 ()
Date: October 28, 2016 03:15PM

Someone will eventually FOIA the 911 call and post it. Then we can discuss.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: so sorry to hear this ()
Date: October 28, 2016 03:19PM

Yeah, the owner shouldn't have been letting the dog run up to strange people like that. But to shoot a happy go lucky 10 month old lab? I just can't even...

What do they mean that the dog was "behaving aggressively"? If the dog was biting the guy that's one thing.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Guns for Pups ()
Date: October 28, 2016 03:24PM

If the dog was properly trained and armed the result might have been different.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Bigger ()
Date: October 28, 2016 03:25PM

I'm not that accurate a shooter. That's why I carry a grenade launcher when I walk in the park.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: She is just another stupid lib ()
Date: October 28, 2016 03:30PM

ALGONKIAN EQUITY COMMITTEE
The Equity Committee is here to serve our Bobcat family by
ensuring that our instruction and interaction with students,
staff, and families is equitable. We monitor activities,
programs, and projects to make sure they are relevant,
diverse, and support and represent all of our students and
staff here at Algonkian Elementary School.

The Committee welcomes parental/guardian participation
and if you have an interest in attending an open meeting or
have questions, concerns or comments, please contact
either Theresa Ryan, Counselor (theresa.ryan@lcps.org) or
Susan Smith, Parent Liaison (susan.r.smith@lcps.org) at
571-434-3240.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: MR D ()
Date: October 28, 2016 04:18PM

The guy that shot the dog is a cop. Cops kill pets on a daily basis nothing new here.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Hans Huckibein ()
Date: October 28, 2016 04:46PM

reflex Wrote:
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> I too have a CC permit and wonder if I was walking
> my dog and someone pulled his gun and shot her
> whether I would have then shot the shooter.


If you did, you would have a compelling argument for self-defense. If (god forbid) you are put in that situation, do it.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Gunlover ()
Date: October 28, 2016 05:05PM

Yea I got him

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: fuck pigs ()
Date: October 28, 2016 05:08PM

MR D Wrote:
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> The guy that shot the dog is a cop. Cops kill pets
> on a daily basis nothing new here.


Honestly, I think a lot of the pigs out there are worthless pieces of shit who don't deserve sympathy when they get capped. I believe they would do that.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Malcolm Xtra Black ()
Date: October 28, 2016 06:16PM

The shooter was not a cop.

Mr. D is your standard window licking nigger that hates cops because his niggerpotamus sheboon got shanked by another jig...and deserved it...and the cops aren't really doing shit about it - except pretending to have a trial where K Bonds gets acquitted. Then he will be found guilty of cleaning up the area by exterminating a savage - and hopefully given a prize.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: SW shield 9mm ()
Date: October 28, 2016 07:24PM

I would filled the guy with some hollow points had he shot my dog.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Duck killer man ()
Date: October 28, 2016 07:49PM

> Smith, of Sterling, Va., said she had Macie off
> her leash, which she acknowledges is in violation
> of county rules.

This is all that needed to be written. Keep your dog on a leash and it "probably" won't get shot.

I have a lab. I actually kill ducks that she retrieves. Love the dog. At 10 months, she was big enough to not only knock down an adult, but had jaws strong enough to crush someones bones. Not an animal to be trifled with if you aren't familiar with her.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: duck man vs suburb woman ()
Date: October 28, 2016 08:00PM

Duck killer man Wrote:
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> > Smith, of Sterling, Va., said she had Macie off
> > her leash, which she acknowledges is in
> violation
> > of county rules.
>
> This is all that needed to be written. Keep your
> dog on a leash and it "probably" won't get shot.
>
> I have a lab. I actually kill ducks that she
> retrieves. Love the dog. At 10 months, she was big
> enough to not only knock down an adult, but had
> jaws strong enough to crush someones bones. Not an
> animal to be trifled with if you aren't familiar
> with her.


Cool story, but the owner in the story is a female who is stupid enough to walk her dog without a leash. If your dog is a hunting dog ready to kill anything you're not going to walk it without a leash.

There is no reason to shoot a 10 month old lab, at worst the guy would have been scratched up.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Duck killer man ()
Date: October 28, 2016 08:22PM

Actually, I could walk my dog off leash because she is well trained and will walk at a heel if I tell her to. In public places, she is on a leash. If you knew anything about trained hunting dogs, you would understand that labs are supposed to retrieve what the hunters shoots. They are not "hunting" dogs in the sense that they go out and kill something for their hunter, they are retrievers

You are likely correct about not getting hurt. But if the guy was afraid of dogs or perceived that the damn thing was going to hurt himself or his companion, I see why he shot it.

Bottom line, if the woman had her dog on the leash and none of this would have happened. Blame the woman, not the dude with the gun.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: duck man vs suburb woman ()
Date: October 28, 2016 08:37PM

I don't know anything about hunting dogs, I do however have a black lab thats almost 10 years old and she is so calm she I could walk her off leash, but I never would do it due to crazy people like the one in this story and the law. She wouldn't approach you unless you're waving a steak or fried chicken right in her face, she's just too lazy. Love her to death and would not hesitate to shoot anyone that shot her in front of me.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Lab Owner ()
Date: October 28, 2016 08:58PM

I too have a 10 month old lab. They just want to be friends with everyone. That's the nature of the beast. Never let him off a leash at this age because you never know what might happen. I have a 3 yr old lab as well and always leash her.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: whatapuss ()
Date: October 28, 2016 09:14PM

Wow... my code for the captcha is "HhPuP" heh.. random.

Anyway, what a fucking loser. Both parties are definitely idiots. Public parks are not places for dogs to be off leash and people have to understand they put their dog at risk by letting them off leash. Legality aside it's irresponsible. Dog runs away and goes into traffic is a more common scenario.

This is the first time I've heard of some pussy discharging a gun in public to kill a dog let alone a fucking puppy. I hope the dickface's information is posted online. I'll withhold final judgment until I hear if the guy actually had any wounds from being bitten. If he did then I'd back off some. If not what a little bitch.

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Posted by: Just to name a few ()
Date: October 28, 2016 09:27PM


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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Excuse to use a gun ()
Date: October 28, 2016 09:46PM

I think this person was the type that was looking for a reason to use their gun. No, I wasn't there, so I can't say if the "attack" was real or not, although I've seen plenty of scenarios where someone claims to have a guard guard or vicious dog and they never do anything but bark. I can't imagine this "attack" to brutal enough to pull out and discharge a firearm in a public area. Blows the mind. You have to know deep down that was unnecessary. You're a coward, no other way to put it. Yeah yeah, the dog should have been on a leash, but you pulled out and discharged a firearm man!

You are a straight up bitch and you fucking know it....you know it's true. Piece of shit. You've been finger fucking that gun ever since you bought it and walk around with it on your hip like the fucking loser that you are. Just waiting for excuse to take your anger out something because you were a fucking loser growing up, and you're still a fucking loser.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Internet Hero ()
Date: October 28, 2016 09:53PM

Fixed it for you

Excuse to use a keyboard Wrote:
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> I think this person was the type that was looking
> for a reason to use their keyboard. No, I wasn't there,
> so I can't say if the "attack" was real or not,
> although I've seen plenty of scenarios where
> someone claims to have a guard guard or vicious
> dog and they never do anything but bark. I can't
> imagine this "attack" to brutal enough to pull out
> and discharge a keyboard in a public area. Blows
> the mind. You have to know deep down that was
> unnecessary. You're a coward, no other way to put
> it. Yeah yeah, the dog should have been on a
> leash, but you pulled out and discharged a keyboard
> man!
>
> You are a straight up bitch and you fucking know
> it....you know it's true. Piece of shit. You've
> been finger fucking that keyboard ever since you bought
> it and walk around with it on your hip like the
> fucking loser that you are. Just waiting for
> excuse to take your anger out something because
> you were a fucking loser growing up, and you're
> still a fucking loser.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Duck killer man ()
Date: October 28, 2016 10:06PM

> Love her to death and would not hesitate to shoot
> anyone that shot her in front of me.

I get it.

Unfortunately, your dog would probably be dead as might another person and you would be in Federal prison for murder doing 20 years or so. Or, you might miss and the other guy kills you (probably more likely in this case). Either outcome may or may not impact your plans for retirement.

It interesting that people who have probably never held a gun much less ever killed ANYTHING are so sure they would be able to pull the trigger. It's not that easy, especially the first time.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: MR D ()
Date: October 28, 2016 10:15PM

The coward didn't seem to have any problem pulling the trigger.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Never done it myself ()
Date: October 28, 2016 10:31PM

Duck killer man Wrote:
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> > Love her to death and would not hesitate to
> shoot
> > anyone that shot her in front of me.
>
> I get it.
>
> Unfortunately, your dog would probably be dead as
> might another person and you would be in Federal
> prison for murder doing 20 years or so. Or, you
> might miss and the other guy kills you (probably
> more likely in this case). Either outcome may or
> may not impact your plans for retirement.
>
> It interesting that people who have probably never
> held a gun much less ever killed ANYTHING are so
> sure they would be able to pull the trigger. It's
> not that easy, especially the first time.

" It's not that easy, especially the first time."

Yep, my brother told me the first time he Killed someone he pissed himself, and did not even realize it until after the fact. He said it was rather surreal to pull the trigger and see the person drop to the ground. You can train all you want, but actually doing it is completely different.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Dog Walker1 ()
Date: October 28, 2016 10:58PM

I love dogs. I sympathize with the woman.

That said, the woman is the author of her own misfortune. If her dog was leashed and/or trained not to run at people, none of this would have happened.

The OP says that the shooter is a coward. However, if the police are right that the illegally loose dogs were “behaving aggressively," the man had a right to defend himself. Would the OP willingly let a dog bite him?

One bite to the hand and the shooter's hand may not work for a week, a month, a year or ever again. Guy was minding his own business and was set upon by loose dogs that he viewed as a threat.

I've posted about my own experiences with loose dogs before and recount them again below.

Incident 1

An irresponsible neighbor couple owned two big dogs that posed problems for my leashed small dog and me over the years.

In the first incident, their dogs had menaced my leashed dog and me, but turned away at about 20 feet. A few days after that encounter, I asked the woman as politely as possible to please keep the dogs on leashes when off her property. She was evasive and dismissive. I explained that my dog had been mugged previously by big off-leash dogs and I didn't want it to happen again.

I had been carrying a walking stick after the previous mugging. After the woman make it clear that she didn't care about the safety of my dog or me, I dug-out the pepper spray that I had bought for my wife years earlier (she didn't want to carry it).

Incident 2

A week after the woman pretty much laughed off my polite request that she keep her dogs leashed when off her property, the neighbor woman let her big dogs into her unfenced front yard (they would have been lonely in her fenced back yard) so the dogs could be with her and kids as they put up holiday lights in the front. I guess she wanted the dogs to get in on the holiday spirit.

Of course, it's her own front yard. If the dogs were trained to stay there, no problem, but she couldn't be bothered to train them. If she staked/tied the dogs in the front, no problem, but she couldn't be bothered to do that.

I was minding my own business as I walked my leashed dog on a sidewalk 5 houses from my house, 3 houses from the woman's house.

The woman's dogs (85 lbs and 65 lbs) were more interested in angrily charging 200 feet towards my leashed 27 lb dog and me, instead of continuing to help with the holiday lights. The larger of the two dogs closed to about 8 feet and changed from barking and snarling to deep growling and baring his teeth. I pepper sprayed that dog before he could move in to bite me or my dog.

The dog owner actually explained to the Animal Control Officer (called by me) that she brought the dogs into the unfenced front yard for the set up of the holiday lights.

Incident 3

A week or so after that first pepper spray incident, the woman's husband came after my wife, my dog, and me as we walked on a dead end street. Brandishing his big dog like a weapon and as the dog strained on his leash (so they did own leashes) to pull menacingly towards my little dog, the husband shouted obscenities, insults and threats.

He yelled, "stay away from my dogs, stay away from my family!" [I thought about that later, his dogs were both healthy and young. Bigger dog was about 85 lbs and his smaller dog was about 65 lbs. Unless you're Usain Bolt, I don't think that you can stay away from the dogs when they run towards you.]

My reply was "keep your dogs on leashes when off your property!" He declared "B___s___, they're the neighborhood dogs, a__wipe."

I never knew when there was an election for neighborhood dogs.

The guy was especially mad b/c I had made videos of the loose dogs in the earlier incident. I guessed that his wife and he would otherwise be lying to the police/animal control about what had happened.

I love dogs, big dogs, little dogs, medium dogs, but my responsibility was to keep my dog safe from dogs that were illegally off leash when they presented an immediate danger. Since I started carrying pepper spray, I encountered dozens of loose dogs without the need to use pepper spray or call Animal Control. They were all either friendly (in which case I petted them if owner was around & gave permission) or the dogs were indifferent, no threat to me or mine.

Incident 4

Almost two years after the 1st pepper spray incident, the neighbors' two big dogs again charged my dog and me. My wife was with me this time. The dogs charged side-by-side at top speed. I instinctively grabbed the MACE brand pepper gel that I now carried (longer range and less blowback into your own face than with pepper spray) and sprayed the dogs. Soon, the dogs had done a 180 and were running back to their yard as fast as they had charged in the aborted attack.

Again, the woman had intentionally let her dogs into the front yard with no plan to keep them from running loose. Husband and wife dog owners then shouted threats, vulgarities, and insults as my wife, my dog, and me hurried home. Husband shouted "F---ing a--hole, why don't you try and spray me!"

Guy was standing in his yard as he issued that challenge to mutual combat. I wasn't interested in fighting and sure as hell wasn't going to go into his yard. Police (called by me) later told me that the husband and wife let their two dogs into their house without ever washing off the pepper gel and petted the dogs covered with pepper gel. So their whole house and husband and wife were pepper sprayed (indirectly).

The irony of his challenge to me to spray him was that he sprayed himself, indirectly. If your dog was covered with bad stuff whether it's mud, manure, chemical, whatever, you would keep the dog outside until you had washed the stuff off the dog. You wouldn't bring the dog inside and you would not pet the dog if he's covered with bad stuff. I thought that was elementary.

Again, I had video and audio of most of the event and used that to explain the circumstances to the officers.

Officers spent 45 minutes or so at the dog owners' house. When the lead female officer returned to my house, she told me that the guy tried to argue with her as she told him repeatedly that I had a right to do everything that I had done (i.e., spray his charging illegally off-leash dogs) to defend my wife, myself, and my dog.

I will never understand how my neighbors thought that they had a right to let their untrained, poorly socialized dogs loose to charge other people and leashed dogs in the neighborhood.

The dog owners committed a series of epic failures as pet owners, then tried to blame me for the logical consequences of their irresponsibility. The most astounding failure of those pet owners was not immediately washing the dogs, outside, and getting the pepper off the dogs. I sure didn't want to hurt their dogs, just wanted to make sure that they didn't hurt my wife, my dog, or me.

In both of the pepper incidents, the officers assured me that the sprayed dogs would be fine, that the pepper spray/gel would not cause permanent damage to the dogs. That was what my prior research indicated.

My back-up to the pepper spray/gel was my walking stick, but I definitely did not want to hit any dogs with it (unless absolutely necessary) as it could really injure the dogs. The problem wasn't so much with the dogs, as with their irresponsible owners.

I just wanted to walk my dog in peace and dared to defend my 27 lb dog, photo below, from their loose and charging, angrily barking, 85 lb and 65 lb dogs.

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Our dog was rescued from a high-kill animal shelter to be trained in prison, before we adopted her. (You can see the shadow of the prison concertina wire in the photo.) She was an American Foxhound/Beagle mix and, sadly, died about 3 months after the pepper gel incident, almost 13 years after we got her. She was well worth defending.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Dog Walker1 ()
Date: October 28, 2016 11:25PM

I should make clear that the shooter should not have shot the dog unless he reasonably felt under threat. Without video and/or hearing directly from witnesses, I don't know that one can be certain about how reasonable his shooting was.

A friend of mine had made a suggestion to me as to defending against loose dogs. His suggestion was getting a concealed carry permit and carrying a particular revolver that can hold shotgun shells. His idea was to load the first cylinder with a blank round. Fire that and scare the dog away with noise only. If that didn't work, the 2nd cylinder has birdshot or rock salt, which probably would turn the dog away with less chance of seriously injuring the dog. Real rounds such as buckshot in the next 4 cylinders.

I just didn't want to hurt dogs and also didn't want to be shooting up the neighborhood.

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It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. - John Cassis on manners

Ignoring juvenile attacks and remarks on the internet for over two decades.

Arguing by deflection or name-calling is an admission that you don't have a rational argument.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: shaking my fucking head ()
Date: October 28, 2016 11:36PM

@dogwalker

Yeah that sounds like a great idea, walk around with a shotgun filled with rock salt. Fucking ingenious. That way you can just wound a sweet little dog that wants to befriend you instead of killing the thing. Shit, why not carry a second shotgun around with you? God forbid a dog came up to you and one shotgun wasn't enough.

Dumbest fucking thing I've read in this thread so far by a long shot.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Maybe Maybe not ()
Date: October 29, 2016 09:40AM

Dog Walker1 Wrote:
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> I should make clear that the shooter should not
> have shot the dog unless he reasonably felt under
> threat. Without video and/or hearing directly from
> witnesses, I don't know that one can be certain
> about how reasonable his shooting was.
>
> A friend of mine had made a suggestion to me as to
> defending against loose dogs. His suggestion was
> getting a concealed carry permit and carrying a
> particular revolver that can hold shotgun shells.
> His idea was to load the first cylinder with a
> blank round. Fire that and scare the dog away with
> noise only. If that didn't work, the 2nd cylinder
> has birdshot or rock salt, which probably would
> turn the dog away with less chance of seriously
> injuring the dog. Real rounds such as buckshot in
> the next 4 cylinders.
>
> I just didn't want to hurt dogs and also didn't
> want to be shooting up the neighborhood.


Your friend was probably referring to the .410, 2 1/2" round, short barrel version of the Taurus Judge, a 5-round revolver.
0.410 blanks are available, but please weigh the unlikely event of being attacked by a dog with the chance that you will hurt yourself or a bystander with a gun, or that someone else will pull a gun in response to you pulling yours, not realizing that you are shooting a blank as a warning shot.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: MAGDeportTrump ()
Date: October 29, 2016 11:09AM

I agree that the shooter is likely a complete and total coward and/or a sadist. Afraid of a 10 mo labrador, with its owner nearby, come on?! I'm betting he is a small-penised sadist as these are generally the kind of folks that carry. Can someone please publish his name? We know the name of the dog, the owner, but not the name of this killer. He certainly has reason to be ashamed but his name should be published so folks and their dogs can avoid this dangerous crackpot should he have need once again to prove to himself he is a man and pull his gun.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Dog Walker1 ()
Date: October 29, 2016 01:56PM

Maybe Maybe not Wrote:
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> Dog Walker1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I should make clear that the shooter should not
> > have shot the dog unless he reasonably felt
> under
> > threat. Without video and/or hearing directly
> from
> > witnesses, I don't know that one can be certain
> > about how reasonable his shooting was.
> >
> > A friend of mine had made a suggestion to me as
> to
> > defending against loose dogs. His suggestion
> was
> > getting a concealed carry permit and carrying a
> > particular revolver that can hold shotgun
> shells.
> > His idea was to load the first cylinder with a
> > blank round. Fire that and scare the dog away
> with
> > noise only. If that didn't work, the 2nd
> cylinder
> > has birdshot or rock salt, which probably would
> > turn the dog away with less chance of seriously
> > injuring the dog. Real rounds such as buckshot
> in
> > the next 4 cylinders.
> >
> > I just didn't want to hurt dogs and also didn't
> > want to be shooting up the neighborhood.
>
>
> Your friend was probably referring to the .410, 2
> 1/2" round, short barrel version of the Taurus
> Judge, a 5-round revolver.
> 0.410 blanks are available, but please weigh the
> unlikely event of being attacked by a dog with the
> chance that you will hurt yourself or a bystander
> with a gun, or that someone else will pull a gun
> in response to you pulling yours, not realizing
> that you are shooting a blank as a warning shot.

You are correct that it was the Taurus Judge revolver that my friend was suggesting. Also, it holds 5 rounds as you say, not 6 rounds as I erroneously noted in my last post.

I immediately rejected my friend's suggestion, although I don't think that the advice is as flawed as @shaking apparently thinks.

I can shoot a handgun without hurting myself. Not that hard to do. However, and as mentioned above, I don't want to hurt any dogs. That's why I used the MACE brand pepper gel. It halted the attacking dogs without permanently injuring them. It kept my wife, myself, and my own dog safe. That was the object, defense of self and others.

A lot of posters assume that the shooter is a coward and that the dog was a benign playful puppy. While most labs are friendly dogs, I have met some that were aggressive and a real threat.

Those who assume the dogs were playful have probably never had a belligerent dog, let alone two aggressive dogs, charge them. It is very unnerving.

In the pepper spray incidents described in my first post above, I discussed various matters with the police. Fairfax Police confirmed that, when facing two large apparently aggressive dogs charging them, officers would likely shoot one or both of them. A Fairfax County Deputy also told me on another occasion that he would shoot the lead charging dog, not use pepper spray. If the second charging dog kept coming, Deputy would shoot the second one.

As I posted above, "shooter should not have shot the dog unless he reasonably felt under threat. Without video and/or hearing directly from witnesses, I don't know that one can be certain about how reasonable his shooting was."

If the lab is bearing his teeth and charging, he doesn't look much different from the below two dogs. You focus on the teeth, not so much on the rest of the dog.

vicious_pitbull.jpgvicious-pit-bull-cropped.jpg


Sometimes the dogs act like in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-o9OBG2GgM

IIRC, the dog owner of those two dogs in the video hid the dogs from the police. Eventually, a DC police officer shot one of the dogs dead as the dog ran loose. The other dog turned up in PG County, where a PG detective shot the dog to death as the loose dog charged him.

So how should one defend against dogs like those in two photos and video above?

While I prefer the pepper gel, I think that I would have to use a gun if dealing with dogs like those.

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It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. - John Cassis on manners

Ignoring juvenile attacks and remarks on the internet for over two decades.

Arguing by deflection or name-calling is an admission that you don't have a rational argument.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Black labs matter ()
Date: October 29, 2016 02:07PM

Just another coward who hides behind a gun because he is a little bitch.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: I would shoot the coward ()
Date: October 29, 2016 02:10PM

Duck killer man Wrote:
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> > Love her to death and would not hesitate to
> shoot
> > anyone that shot her in front of me.
>
> I get it.
>
> Unfortunately, your dog would probably be dead as
> might another person and you would be in Federal
> prison for murder doing 20 years or so. Or, you
> might miss and the other guy kills you (probably
> more likely in this case). Either outcome may or
> may not impact your plans for retirement.
>
> It interesting that people who have probably never
> held a gun much less ever killed ANYTHING are so
> sure they would be able to pull the trigger. It's
> not that easy, especially the first time.

It's actually not that difficult. While it is "different" to pull the trigger on someone in person, it's not a big deal.

If I were walking in a park and someone suddenly pulled a gun and started firing, killing my 10-month old puppy, I'd have to weigh whether that person was of sound mind and didn't represent a threat to myself as well. After all, blasting away at pet dogs in a public suburban park is clearly not normal behavior. I would shoot the fucker and probably go to prison, but make a good case to the jury.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: NXuMh ()
Date: October 29, 2016 04:15PM

> I would shoot the
> fucker and probably go to prison, but make a >good case to the jury.

Sure you would.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Juror #1 ()
Date: October 29, 2016 04:31PM

I would shoot the coward Wrote:
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> Duck killer man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > Love her to death and would not hesitate to
> > shoot
> > > anyone that shot her in front of me.
> >
> > I get it.
> >
> > Unfortunately, your dog would probably be dead
> as
> > might another person and you would be in
> Federal
> > prison for murder doing 20 years or so. Or, you
> > might miss and the other guy kills you
> (probably
> > more likely in this case). Either outcome may
> or
> > may not impact your plans for retirement.
> >
> > It interesting that people who have probably
> never
> > held a gun much less ever killed ANYTHING are
> so
> > sure they would be able to pull the trigger.
> It's
> > not that easy, especially the first time.
>
> It's actually not that difficult. While it is
> "different" to pull the trigger on someone in
> person, it's not a big deal.
>
> If I were walking in a park and someone suddenly
> pulled a gun and started firing, killing my
> 10-month old puppy, I'd have to weigh whether that
> person was of sound mind and didn't represent a
> threat to myself as well. After all, blasting
> away at pet dogs in a public suburban park is
> clearly not normal behavior. I would shoot the
> fucker and probably go to prison, but make a good
> case to the jury.

I would find you not guilty and completely agree. If someone is crazy enough to shoot a puppy in a public park, god knows what else they will do.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Uh................. ()
Date: October 29, 2016 05:16PM

> I would find you not guilty and completely agree.
> If someone is crazy enough to shoot a puppy in a
> public park, god knows what else they will do.



So pet's life = human life?

I'd rather you were in jail than the guy who shot the dog.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: another shooter ()
Date: October 29, 2016 05:20PM

Uh................. Wrote:
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> > I would find you not guilty and completely
> agree.
> > If someone is crazy enough to shoot a puppy in
> a
> > public park, god knows what else they will do.
>
>
>
> So pet's life = human life?
>
> I'd rather you were in jail than the guy who shot
> the dog.


No, someone shooting a puppy in a public park = possibly a nut job ready to kill anyone else. Maybe this puppy was the first to die before this nut job went on a massacre killing everyone in the park.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: screw this loser ()
Date: October 29, 2016 05:36PM

If a Labrador retriever puppy -- being chased by its owner -- puts this loser in so much fear he has to pull out a gun and start spraying lead in a public park, what happens when some old lady accidentally drives towards him in a parking lot?

Also, abusing or killing animals is a key indicator of a sick mind and someone with little or no regard for life who has or will do the same things to humans.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: IMO ()
Date: October 29, 2016 05:37PM

There's no reason WHATSOEVER to carry a gun in a public park where kids go, where people take their dogs for walks. What, are the deer going to get rowdy?The notion of it is insane to me. It's some hero wish fulfillment kind of shit.

The guy probably dreamt of the day he'd use that gun to save the life of a supermodel being assaulted and earn her undying devotion, or to stop some hoodlums loitering in the park, maybe even have an article written about what a hero he was for cleaning up the streets.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Michael Vicks ()
Date: October 29, 2016 05:47PM

This fucking pussy should be convicted and placed on death row.
If you commit the crime, you can do the time.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Mr Tibbs ()
Date: October 29, 2016 06:12PM

Michael Vicks Wrote:
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> This fucking pussy should be convicted and placed
> on death row.
> If you commit the crime, you can do the time.


I agree, they should lock up the dumb whore who was breaking the law by not having her dog on a a leash.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: really? ()
Date: October 29, 2016 06:37PM

To all the individuals who have commented about this unfortunate incident, stop creating "the facts" since none of you really know what happened, what the dog was doing, what the couple under duress were feeling about the loose dog, and what could have happened!

Some of you are complaining about the poor puppy. How was the couple to know the age of the dog? Further, what difference does it make? They felt they were under attack by an aggressive dog according to what was supposedly reported.

The owner should have had control of the dog, whether on the leash or off of it. A young dog is not reliable in that situation to allow it off the leash in an open area.

Until you yourself are faced with a loose dog coming at you in what you feel is an aggressive manner, you really only know what you hope to do. In the moment the ability to consider a thousand alternatives, as we now have the opportunity to do here on Fairfax Underground, is not possible in that moment. All you know is that something bad is possibly going to happen and you have seconds at best to react.

Your politics do not matter to a dog, so all of you commenting about the political affiliations of the parties involved are not providing reasonable commentary and should limit yourselves in that respect. Too bad you won't:)

As a teen I was walking in the middle of the street to deliver newspapers when a large German Shepherd came rushing at me barking after having jumped the fence of his backyard. The broken chain that had been securing him in the backyard was trailing him. He was under quarantine for attacking a dog the previous week. He had attacked and killed a smaller dog on a walk with his owner, ripping the smaller dog from the owner's arms and breaking the owners forearm.

So as this dog, with a history of attacking dogs and humans was running full out right at me, I had a problem. I remembered my dad telling me to run at an attacking dog when left with no alternative. I started running at him yelling his name and swinging my arms. He slowed to a canter and circled me repeatedly looking for an opening. The owner heard me screaming the dogs name and came out and caught the dog after a few minutes. Later the dog was deemed a threat to humans and was euthanized.

I truly believed in the moment that I was going to be severely injured by the attacking dog. I am very fortunate that the dog was confused by my aggressive response to his attack, and that the owner was home and able to catch the dog before he decided to finally test my defenses. Over the years I have had a few nightmares of that episode with the dog leaping on me and biting me repeatedly.

So please stop criticizing those involved in this unfortunate episode. The poor dog who lost his life, the heartbroken owner of the dog who had made an unfortunate decision to let the dog off the lead, and the couple who felt threatened by the aggressive behavior of the dog and chose to defend themselves. Nobody is feeling good about this episode, especially given that it could have been prevented.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Theyallhaveanass ()
Date: October 29, 2016 06:41PM

Mr Tibbs Wrote:
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> Michael Vicks Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This fucking pussy should be convicted and
> placed
> > on death row.
> > If you commit the crime, you can do the time.
>
>
> I agree, they should lock up the dumb whore who
> was breaking the law by not having her dog on a a
> leash.


Ikr.

Why are all they crazies filled with assumptions and name calling.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: german shepard vs 10 mo lab ()
Date: October 29, 2016 06:47PM

Yea and I'm sure the owner of that German Shepard would take his dog to a public park and walk him without a leash... not.


The girl is stupid, but I highly doubt she would have been walking her dog without a leash if it was an aggressive breed and on top of that a history of aggression. Labs are typically not aggressive, especially at 10 month olds, and especially those with owners who cares enough to walk it in a park.

I have had many aggressive dogs come at me, its very common in third world countries. The worst being a husky mix that bit my hip, I kicked the shit out of it and swung a stick around and it backed off. Others usually back off when I make lunging motions or wave a stick around. I would never ever ever consider shooting one. A labrador puppy? Please you have to be a complete fucking over reacting pussy.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Dog lover ()
Date: October 29, 2016 06:52PM

Labs are some of the most people friendly goofy dogs there are. Whenever I've had a strange dog run up to me I just laugh , slap my thigh a couple times and hope they run up so I can pet it and wrestle with it a little then exchange pleasantries with the owner. Now if the dog is a pitbull then that's a little different. But still nothing to freak about. All animals sense fear and will try to dominate a fearful person. At any rate it is inconceivable to me to be firing off rounds in a god damn park. That guy is a quivering yes pussy. I'm an officer and own a pit mix. And always keep my dog leashed when walking the trails of Claude Moore park. Most of the time I leave the damned gun at home because I don't feel the need to carry every fucking place I go. If I encounter other walkers , dog walkers , joggers etc. I will step a few yards off the trail and let them pass. If they want to stop and let the dog ,ok . Most of the time they go on by. My verdict is this shooter is a fucking pussy .

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Trayvon Barkin ()
Date: October 29, 2016 07:05PM

DLM! Dog lives matter.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: The National Mall ()
Date: October 29, 2016 07:12PM

To the poster who complained about carrying the handgun in a public park, crime does happen in public parks all the time. The individual was legally carrying the handgun while walking in the park. When under "attack" from the aggressive dog (in his opinion) he utilized his weapon in defending himself and his companion.

To the individuals who claim they would have then shot the individual themselves after he shot the dog, you would be too busy ducking and running away from the gunshot to even consider drawing your own weapon. That being said, we all know you would not even have a weapon since you are all about talking and never doing anything to actually resolve a problem.

In a similar situation, you might be attacked and bitten by the dog. Your response would probably be to sue the owner for the injuries, pain and suffering you incurred from the attack. Further you would press for euthanizing the attacking dog as soon as possible. You would most likely sue the park authority for the attack as well, and for not enforcing the park's leash law. All of these results would be your right and most likely happen.

In either scenario the dog most likely is injured and dies. Someone may or may not be injured. Lawsuits will most likely be filed in both scenarios. Justice will not always be served. The lawyers will make their fees regardless.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: E3mYp ()
Date: October 29, 2016 07:14PM

really? Wrote:
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> To all the individuals who have commented about
> this unfortunate incident, stop creating "the
> facts" since none of you really know what
> happened, what the dog was doing, what the couple
> under duress were feeling about the loose dog, and
> what could have happened!
>
> Some of you are complaining about the poor puppy.
> How was the couple to know the age of the dog?
> Further, what difference does it make? They felt
> they were under attack by an aggressive dog
> according to what was supposedly reported.

This gunslinger has no business with a firearm. If he felt so threatened by a 10-month old lab puppy, what would happen if he saw a group of kids running down the trail in his direction with paintball guns?

This "poor couple" who felt so threatened by a puppy have no business venturing outside of their home without bodyguards. A puppy looks, moves, and acts different from an adult dog, just as a teenager looks, moves, and acts different from an old lady. Lack of perception on this couple's part is no excuse to open fire. Furthermore there is the entire context of the situation. If it had been an urban area and a couple of pit bulls* followed by a thug yelling "Sick him!", the shooter might find more sympathy for feeling fearful. But this was a suburban park with a young white female running after her dog calling it. The dog would probably have licked him.

*No offense to pit bulls intended. They just have the misfortune to be favored by animal-abusing thugs.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: that was me ()
Date: October 29, 2016 07:19PM

The National Mall Wrote:
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> To the poster who complained about carrying the
> handgun in a public park, crime does happen in
> public parks all the time. The individual was
> legally carrying the handgun while walking in the
> park. When under "attack" from the aggressive dog
> (in his opinion) he utilized his weapon in
> defending himself and his companion.
>
> To the individuals who claim they would have then
> shot the individual themselves after he shot the
> dog, you would be too busy ducking and running
> away from the gunshot to even consider drawing
> your own weapon. That being said, we all know you
> would not even have a weapon since you are all
> about talking and never doing anything to actually
> resolve a problem.
>
> In a similar situation, you might be attacked and
> bitten by the dog. Your response would probably be
> to sue the owner for the injuries, pain and
> suffering you incurred from the attack. Further
> you would press for euthanizing the attacking dog
> as soon as possible. You would most likely sue the
> park authority for the attack as well, and for not
> enforcing the park's leash law. All of these
> results would be your right and most likely
> happen.
>
> In either scenario the dog most likely is injured
> and dies. Someone may or may not be injured.
> Lawsuits will most likely be filed in both
> scenarios. Justice will not always be served. The
> lawyers will make their fees regardless.

That was me. You'd have a better chance of being robbed in a god damn church then you are in a park. Especially in loudoun county of all places. No reason whatsoever to carry a gun, and if you're so out of touch with reality that you feel the need to bring a loaded gun to a Loudoun park to "protect" yourself, you probably shouldn't be allowed to own a gun at all. Can he legally do it? Sure of course. Is it necessary? Don't be fucking ridiculous.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: CCP Holder ()
Date: October 29, 2016 07:25PM

I have sympathy for the innocent members of the dog owner's household and of course for the dog. I have little for the owner who chose to walk the animal in a public park without a leash. There are a number of ways this could have ended up bad for the dog. This was just one of them.

As for the shooter, my guess is he easily could have figured out a way to get out of the situation without injury to either himself or the dog. This is one of the problems with concealed carry. Merely having the gun available causes SOME people to use it when it really isn't necessary. Just as there were a number of ways this could have ended up bad for the dog running loose in a public park, the same is true for the guy who pulled out his gun and shot the dog. His actions may not have been criminal. They certainly were extremely poor judgment, indicating that he should not be allowed to use the park if he chooses to carry his gun.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: yLD4Y ()
Date: October 29, 2016 07:27PM

I have carried a gun in a park on rare occasions, but would never open fire on anyone's pet puppy. Hell no. I'd run the other way, climb a tree, pick up a rock or stick, or use my bare hands, but would never take the gun out, let alone start spraying lead in that situation. Sure in the worst case I might get bit, and might sue, and might have the dog euthanized. That's a lot of "mights" against the certainty of killing someone's dog that didn't deserve to die, and possibly having a stray bullet hit a person, or possibly having the owner shoot me back, or possibly getting sued myself

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Duck killer man ()
Date: October 29, 2016 07:29PM

Wow, this thread has legs. You guys who keep saying "puppy" need to realize that a 10 Month old lab is probably 50-60 lbs and is capable of kicking your ass.

It's like when Trayvon Martin was killed and the media kept posting up a pic of this little kid, when in fact he was quite a bit older. Sympathy vote stuff.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: mindset not size ()
Date: October 29, 2016 07:31PM

Yes a 10 month old lab is almost full grown, but it still has a puppy mindset, e.g tons of energy and wanting to jump, wag, kiss, lick, and slober on anything and everything in site.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Duck killer man ()
Date: October 29, 2016 07:37PM

I'm not disagreeing about any of that. The woman should have had the dog leashed. Cased closed.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: south park ()
Date: October 29, 2016 07:38PM

CCP Holder Wrote:
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> I have sympathy for the innocent members of the
> dog owner's household and of course for the dog.
> I have little for the owner who chose to walk the
> animal in a public park without a leash. There
> are a number of ways this could have ended up bad
> for the dog. This was just one of them.
>
> As for the shooter, my guess is he easily could
> have figured out a way to get out of the situation
> without injury to either himself or the dog. This
> is one of the problems with concealed carry.
> Merely having the gun available causes SOME people
> to use it when it really isn't necessary. Just as
> there were a number of ways this could have ended
> up bad for the dog running loose in a public park,
> the same is true for the guy who pulled out his
> gun and shot the dog. His actions may not have
> been criminal. They certainly were extremely poor
> judgment, indicating that he should not be allowed
> to use the park if he chooses to carry his gun.

Only jerks who are scared of their own shadows carry firearms in public locations.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Chmpp ()
Date: October 29, 2016 07:53PM

Duck killer man Wrote:
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> I'm not disagreeing about any of that. The woman
> should have had the dog leashed. Cased closed.

No. Woman should have kept her dog leashed AND the man should have kept his gun holstered. Bad judgment does not justify bad judgment.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Ying Ko ()
Date: October 29, 2016 08:44PM

If that puppy had run up to the wrong dog and lost his nose, whose fault would that be? The dog should have been on a leash or taken to a dog park.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: reasonable ()
Date: October 29, 2016 09:23PM

CCP Holder Wrote:
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> I have sympathy for the innocent members of the
> dog owner's household and of course for the dog.
> I have little for the owner who chose to walk the
> animal in a public park without a leash. There
> are a number of ways this could have ended up bad
> for the dog. This was just one of them.
>
> As for the shooter, my guess is he easily could
> have figured out a way to get out of the situation
> without injury to either himself or the dog. This
> is one of the problems with concealed carry.
> Merely having the gun available causes SOME people
> to use it when it really isn't necessary. Just as
> there were a number of ways this could have ended
> up bad for the dog running loose in a public park,
> the same is true for the guy who pulled out his
> gun and shot the dog. His actions may not have
> been criminal. They certainly were extremely poor
> judgment, indicating that he should not be allowed
> to use the park if he chooses to carry his gun.


You seem extremely reasonable, just like the vast majority of ccp holders.
My contention is that it was extremely inappropriate given the situation. Borderline crazy.

Just as a point of reference, I have a black lab myself. It's about the same age as this poor dog was, little over a year old and built like a tank.

Now, I'm fortunate enough to live in a cul-de-sac where everyone knows each other, damn near everyone has dogs and even the dogs are familiar with each other. My lab has "charged" at people in the neighborhood before, and you know what it does? it stops 6 feet away, rolls over onto it's stomach and begs for a pet or a scratch. I have a really hard time believing a sweet little lab was out for blood, I just don't fucking see it happening

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Truth and facts ()
Date: October 29, 2016 09:38PM

If the dog ownwe was a law abiding citizen as the gun owner was, the dog would still be alive.

She wasn't. She was irresponsible and killed her dog.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Internet Rambos ()
Date: October 29, 2016 09:50PM

Truth and facts Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> If the dog ownwe was a law abiding citizen as the
> gun owner was, the dog would still be alive.
>
> She wasn't. She was irresponsible and killed her
> dog.


Somebody needs to keep you on a leash, asshole

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Junosmom ()
Date: October 29, 2016 11:09PM

Is there any possibility the woman can file a civil suit against the man who shot her dog?

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Dog Walker1 ()
Date: October 29, 2016 11:12PM

really? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> To all the individuals who have commented about
> this unfortunate incident, stop creating "the
> facts" since none of you really know what
> happened, what the dog was doing, what the couple
> under duress were feeling about the loose dog, and
> what could have happened!
>
> Some of you are complaining about the poor puppy.
> How was the couple to know the age of the dog?
> Further, what difference does it make? They felt
> they were under attack by an aggressive dog
> according to what was supposedly reported.
>
> The owner should have had control of the dog,
> whether on the leash or off of it. A young dog is
> not reliable in that situation to allow it off the
> leash in an open area.
>
> Until you yourself are faced with a loose dog
> coming at you in what you feel is an aggressive
> manner, you really only know what you hope to do.
> In the moment the ability to consider a thousand
> alternatives, as we now have the opportunity to do
> here on Fairfax Underground, is not possible in
> that moment. All you know is that something bad is
> possibly going to happen and you have seconds at
> best to react.
>
> Your politics do not matter to a dog, so all of
> you commenting about the political affiliations of
> the parties involved are not providing reasonable
> commentary and should limit yourselves in that
> respect. Too bad you won't:)
>
> As a teen I was walking in the middle of the
> street to deliver newspapers when a large German
> Shepherd came rushing at me barking after having
> jumped the fence of his backyard. The broken chain
> that had been securing him in the backyard was
> trailing him. He was under quarantine for
> attacking a dog the previous week. He had attacked
> and killed a smaller dog on a walk with his owner,
> ripping the smaller dog from the owner's arms and
> breaking the owners forearm.
>
> So as this dog, with a history of attacking dogs
> and humans was running full out right at me, I had
> a problem. I remembered my dad telling me to run
> at an attacking dog when left with no alternative.
> I started running at him yelling his name and
> swinging my arms. He slowed to a canter and
> circled me repeatedly looking for an opening. The
> owner heard me screaming the dogs name and came
> out and caught the dog after a few minutes. Later
> the dog was deemed a threat to humans and was
> euthanized.
>
> I truly believed in the moment that I was going to
> be severely injured by the attacking dog. I am
> very fortunate that the dog was confused by my
> aggressive response to his attack, and that the
> owner was home and able to catch the dog before he
> decided to finally test my defenses. Over the
> years I have had a few nightmares of that episode
> with the dog leaping on me and biting me
> repeatedly.
>
> So please stop criticizing those involved in this
> unfortunate episode. The poor dog who lost his
> life, the heartbroken owner of the dog who had
> made an unfortunate decision to let the dog off
> the lead, and the couple who felt threatened by
> the aggressive behavior of the dog and chose to
> defend themselves. Nobody is feeling good about
> this episode, especially given that it could have
> been prevented.

Well said. I strongly agree with almost all of this.

I differ in that I don't mind if people criticize those involved in this situation, but strongly agree with your point that posters should not assume facts that aren't in the case.

What facts do we know? Woman and her friend illegally let their dogs off leash. Legally armed individual shot the dog in self-defense per the investigating deputies.

The money paragraphs in the WaPo story are as follows:

Animal services officials said in a statement that “two large-breed dogs” had been walking off their leashes and were “behaving aggressively towards a man who was walking in the park.”

Animal services investigators found that Macie “circled and jumped up on the walker and that the dogs’ owner failed to secure them despite the walker’s repeated requests.” Officials said the man was “legally carrying a firearm when he discharged it in an act of self-defense, fatally shooting the dog.”

Posters can ignore the facts or make up new facts, but that's the story above. Now, as I posted before,"shooter should not have shot the dog unless he reasonably felt under threat. Without video and/or hearing directly from witnesses, I don't know that one can be certain about how reasonable his shooting was."

Since the deputies/animal control officers did not arrest the shooter for animal cruelty and illegally discharging a firearm, it seems that, most likely, the shooting was justified.

Of course, the incident allows posters to all rally to their pro and anti gun positions.

One of the anti gun arguments that was made is, basically, that the guy must be crazy to even carry a gun in a park b/c crime is so rare in a suburban park.

A friend and I were assaulted and robbed by a gang in a suburban park decades ago.

In the last few years, a guy with a machete started to go after another guy in a park in Northern VA. Loose dog involved in that incident. Dog owner let his chihuahua run off leash. The dog bites a guy, who yells at dog owner. Dog owner goes to his car and gets a machete to threaten the guy who yelled at him. Fortunately, the machete guy's wife talks him out of attacking the victim. Machete guy, his wife, and dog left before the police arrive.

MS13 have been using suburban parks (more in Montgomery County, but some in NOVA) for depositing dead bodies and/or killing people.

So suburban parks are not a crime free zone.

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It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. - John Cassis on manners

Ignoring juvenile attacks and remarks on the internet for over two decades.

Arguing by deflection or name-calling is an admission that you don't have a rational argument.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: MRS D ()
Date: October 29, 2016 11:32PM

MR D Wrote:
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> The guy that shot the dog is a cop. Cops kill pets
> on a daily basis nothing new here.


"The victim is not a police officer but is a member of the law enforcement community."

Cryptic enough?

He likely knew enough to say the magic words, "feared for my life."

Maybe no criminal charges, but these two will sue the fuck out of each other.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Truth and facts ()
Date: October 30, 2016 07:00AM

Internet Rambos Wrote:
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> Truth and facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If the dog ownwe was a law abiding citizen as
> the
> > gun owner was, the dog would still be alive.
> >
> > She wasn't. She was irresponsible and killed
> her
> > dog.
>
>
> Somebody needs to keep you on a leash, asshole


Too late for that. Too bad the bitch was a criminal and murdered her dog. She made the choice to kill it. She should go to jail for animal cruelty.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: not a coward ()
Date: October 30, 2016 07:33AM

That gun coward dog shooter does not deserve to walk the earth free. He should be in prison.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: MR D ()
Date: October 30, 2016 07:47AM

Run this piece of shit out of town and take his gun.

''Law enforcement community'' '' Cop attitude ""

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: tukdp ()
Date: October 30, 2016 07:50AM

It's kinda like a drunk driving accident. If you are driving drunk and get in to an accident, even if the sober person was driving like the biggest douche bag ever, you're guilty.

Even if the guy with the gun did not respond reasonably, although from the WAPO article it sounds like he may have (and you know it kills them to print it), the dog owner is guilty for having her dog off the leash.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Cute Doggy Picture ()
Date: October 30, 2016 08:15AM

That picture is of a 1-2 month old puppy.

How about a more recent picture?

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: MR D ()
Date: October 30, 2016 08:20AM

How about some pictures of the punk coward dog killer.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Truth and facts ()
Date: October 30, 2016 08:32AM

MR D Wrote:
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> Run this piece of shit out of town and take his
> gun.
>
> ''Law enforcement community'' '' Cop attitude
> ""


The law abiding gun owner did the criminal dog owner a favor. It was just a matter of time that she would kill her dog. Obey the law and leash your god damn dogs.

The law abiding citizen is a hero amd should be recognized for his efforts to restore responsibility to dog owners.

Put the dog murderer, the owner, in jail.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Mr D is a ()
Date: October 30, 2016 08:36AM

Mr D is the biggest troll on this board. His comments and stand on all of the issues he posts to continue to defy what little facts that are known. He generates his own facts and then pursues idiotic comments including "How about some pictures of the punk coward dog killer."

The couple walking through the park who were accosted by a loose dog acting aggressively and failing to obey shouted commands from the owner reacted to the situation as they saw it. That does not make them punk cowards. And terming the man a dog killer is inaccurate at best. He only resorted to shooting the dog after it continued to circle and jump at him. If he were a dog killer as Mr D implies, he would be shooting every dog he comes across. This instance appears to be the first where he has shot a dog when looking at the known facts of the case.

But again, troll that he is this doesn't prevent Mr D from posting erroneous and misleading information about events in this post and others.

He also identified that the guy is a cop and cops shoot and kill dogs on a regular basis. This too is speculation at best and shows that Mr D has an agenda where cops are concerned.

Too bad he can't stick with the facts and not generate false information to support his agenda.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: just a reminder ()
Date: October 30, 2016 09:47AM

Mr D is a Wrote:
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BLABLABLBALBALBLABLABBLBALBLAA
>
> But again, troll that he is this doesn't prevent
> Mr D from posting erroneous and misleading
> information about events in this post and others.
>
>
> He also identified that the guy is a cop and cops
> shoot and kill dogs on a regular basis. This too
> is speculation at best and shows that Mr D has an
> agenda where cops are concerned.
>
> Too bad he can't stick with the facts and not
> generate false information to support his agenda.

Go away, cop lover.


If the facts come out and it WAS a cop- still makes no difference. LE or civilian, he should have not shot the dog and she shouldn't have had it offleash. I think you just want to defend cops at all costs like all cops are angels. LOL.

They were both wrong. It cancels each other out.

Case closed. No need to argue it anymore.

Now, I heard the Krispy Kreme light just turned on...get 'em while they're hot!! Who doesn't like fresh donuts??? Why you mad son??? :p

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Truth and facts ()
Date: October 30, 2016 10:25AM

just a reminder Wrote:
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> Mr D is a Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> BLABLABLBALBALBLABLABBLBALBLAA
> >
> > But again, troll that he is this doesn't
> prevent
> > Mr D from posting erroneous and misleading
> > information about events in this post and
> others.
> >
> >
> > He also identified that the guy is a cop and
> cops
> > shoot and kill dogs on a regular basis. This
> too
> > is speculation at best and shows that Mr D has
> an
> > agenda where cops are concerned.
> >
> > Too bad he can't stick with the facts and not
> > generate false information to support his
> agenda.
>
> Go away, cop lover.
>
>
> If the facts come out and it WAS a cop- still
> makes no difference. LE or civilian, he should
> have not shot the dog and she shouldn't have had
> it offleash. I think you just want to defend cops
> at all costs like all cops are angels. LOL.
>
> They were both wrong. It cancels each other out.
>
>
> Case closed. No need to argue it anymore.
>
> Now, I heard the Krispy Kreme light just turned
> on...get 'em while they're hot!! Who doesn't like
> fresh donuts??? Why you mad son??? :p

There is only one law breaker involved in this incident. And she should be changed with animal at large and animal cruelty. The law abiding citizen did society a favor.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Simple Math ()
Date: October 30, 2016 11:02AM

Woman + puppy off leash = stupid dog owner
Sissy with gun + shooting puppy = irresponsible coward

Both are wrong but unless that guy was actually bit or has rips in clothing I am going to definitely go with a huge puss. Definitely not someone that should be allowed to have a gun, go near animals, be allowed around children, or pretty much anything else.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Changed ()
Date: October 30, 2016 11:05AM

> There is only one law breaker involved in this
> incident. And she should be changed with animal at
> large and animal cruelty. The law abiding citizen
> did society a favor.

Yea "change" her. Fail.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: just a reminder ()
Date: October 30, 2016 11:08AM

He could have-

kicked the dog
blasted it with pepper spray
ran in the other direction away from the dog
let himself get bit (if it was going to happen) and sue her later

but no- he had to go straight for lethal force.

That way the dog would have stopped his attack, but lived. I would rather the dog be hurt, but not dead.

Say it was a HUMAN that walked up to him aggressively.

he could have punched the guy
blasted him with pepper spray
ran away from the guy

He would be hurt, but would be ALIVE.

But chances are he would have SHOT the guy too.

Same thing, different mammal.

THIS is what pisses me off about the guy---


and she could have prevented all this by keeping the dog ON LEASH.

We are all in agreement here, right??

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: maybeweare ()
Date: October 30, 2016 11:14AM

just a reminder Wrote:
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> He could have-
>
> kicked the dog
> blasted it with pepper spray
> ran in the other direction away from the dog
> let himself get bit (if it was going to happen)
> and sue her later
>
> but no- he had to go straight for lethal force.
>
> That way the dog would have stopped his attack,
> but lived. I would rather the dog be hurt, but not
> dead.
>
> Say it was a HUMAN that walked up to him
> aggressively.
>
> he could have punched the guy
> blasted him with pepper spray
> ran away from the guy
>
> He would be hurt, but would be ALIVE.
>
> But chances are he would have SHOT the guy too.
>
> Same thing, different mammal.
>
> THIS is what pisses me off about the guy---
>
>
> and she could have prevented all this by keeping
> the dog ON LEASH.
>
> We are all in agreement here, right??



No.

Until I see otherwise I am guessing he could have:

1) just kept walking
2) pet the dog
3) held the dog
4) pushed the dog
5) cuddled with the dog

The dog jumping around excitedly isn't dangerous aggression. Apparently he had time to tell the owners to come get their dog and they were making their way over. Doesn't sound like an intense split second puppy about to kill you decision.

Owner is full of failure here as well. No reason for dog to be off the least. People shouldn't conflate one wrong allowing another though. Just because someone is jay walking doesn't mean you can speed up and mow them down with your car. Both parties can prevent something from happening.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: pM4F3 ()
Date: October 30, 2016 11:19AM

As a near daily walker throughout numerous trails and parks in all parts of Fairfax County it is a very very frequent occurrence for me to have dogs of all ages and sizes jump up on me. Now that I am thinking about it I should keep a log of the time and place just to keep track of how often it is happening.

It does get tiresome to hear these pathetic and beleaguered dog owners offer their tiresome and familiar apologies for the unruly behavior of their unrestrained animals. Fortunately I have learned to gauge the body language of the owners from a distance and if it is a particularly large and aggressive dog I will keep my distance until the owner has the dog under control.

Let me tell you - it is unsettling to be walking along minding your own business and have a 85 pound rottweiler or german shepherd come jogging up to you barking aggressively with no dog handler in sight. As someone who has been viciously attacked and savaged by a large dog it is frightening. Usually it is just an annoyance and I can't justify killing a puppy if their was no conceivable danger... but I have encountered a few dogs in the last 20 years that came very close meeting the same end as this sadly dispatched puppy.

If you own a dog - don't let it run loose in public places. It is extremely disrespectful to your fellow human citizens.

In sum, both my wife (by rottweiler) and I (by german shepherd) have had (separate) emergency room visits after being bitten by large and unrestrained dogs while in a public place.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: MR D ()
Date: October 30, 2016 11:28AM

You and your wife both had emergency room visits after bitten by a dog.

Bull shit

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: I beleive it ()
Date: October 30, 2016 11:50AM

MR D Wrote:
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> You and your wife both had emergency room visits
> after bitten by a dog.
>
> Bull shit


I believe it man. A really good friend of mine got bit in the eye as a kid, I can't remember offhand what kind of breed the dog was, probably a mutt of some kind but they had to rush him into surgery. Saved the eye, dude looks completely normal now but dogs can really mess you up.

There's actually a youtube video that I presume is still up of a guy trying and failing to fight off two pitbulls. By the time the owner and several bystanders finally get them off the guy, he's laying in a puddle of blood and can't even get up under his own volition. If he wasn't dead he was sure as shit in the ER soon after that

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: pM4F3 ()
Date: October 30, 2016 11:51AM

MR D Wrote:
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> You and your wife both had emergency room visits
> after bitten by a dog.
>
> Bull shit

----

OK, the ER part is a little embellishment. My wife was bitten by a rottweiler in Sterling. Once on the forearm just behind the wrist. There were several puncture wounds, a large contusion and since she was in a lot of pain we drove to an urgent care facility and they x-rayed to check if anything was broken. Ok, so it was not an ER but an urgent care facility.

In a separate incident I was attacked by german shepherd. I was caught off guard and knocked to the ground (not easy since I am 6-1 and 200 lbs). This dog was relentless and I had at least 7 or 8 bite wounds in my back and neck area that broke the skin. The dog literally tore my shirt into pieces. OK, so I did not go to hospital ER but an urgent care. We weren't sure if I should get stitches for one of the wounds. This happened in Pennsylvania not in NOVA.

Anyway, you don't have to believe it. But those events did happen.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: rin tin tin ()
Date: October 30, 2016 11:53AM

people own guns and dogs for the same reason. gun owners holster their weapon, dog owners do not. keep your damn dog on a leash, stupid.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Reality bites.... ()
Date: October 30, 2016 11:56AM

This is what's wrong with this country no one will accept responsibility for what they do. it was the dog owner's fault the dog was off the leash and got shot.

The same people who want the dog shooter locked up would be the same people that wanted the dog owner locked up if the dog bit their little brat. total liberal asswipes.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: MR D ()
Date: October 30, 2016 12:04PM

People that own dogs have an appreciation for life. Cowards that shoot dogs for licking them and carry guns in a park are Thugs.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Bark is worse than the bite ()
Date: October 30, 2016 12:09PM

Dogs should be allowed to run free while humans should be leashed.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: Reality bites.... ()
Date: October 30, 2016 12:19PM

MR D Wrote:
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> People that own dogs have an appreciation for life. Cowards that shoot dogs for licking them and
> carry guns in a park are Thugs.


Awww, him scared of law abiding citizens carrying guns. Awwww....

Stay in your house then poooosie.

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Re: Loudoun coward shoots 10 month old labrador puppy
Posted by: 6t9HH ()
Date: October 30, 2016 12:23PM

Since it is established that many do owners not keep their dogs on a leash what is the typical dog owners explanation for this? Do they think dogs should be allowed to run loose in public? Why do they do this? What makes them think they are above the law?

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