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more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: vote NO on the meals tax ()
Date: August 25, 2016 01:53PM

https://www.restonnow.com/2016/08/22/op-ed-fcps-cant-cut-any-more-from-budget/

There is no way this tax will pass, despite the pathetic propaganda put out by FCPS.

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: Yes yes and more yes ()
Date: August 25, 2016 02:09PM

Voting ....... YES

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: Unintended Concession ()
Date: August 25, 2016 02:14PM

"Thus, both the Fairfax County budget and the FCPS operating budget have been outpaced by increased demand since FY2008. The FCPS budget has been particularly stretched thin because both the number of students receiving English for speakers of other languages services and the number of students eligible for free or reduced price lunches have increased by almost 50 percent since FY2008 (an annual percentage growth of over 4.5 percent). Many of these students are at risk of falling far behind without some additional time, attention, and resources."


Ay, there's the rub...

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: Fuck off, derp ()
Date: August 25, 2016 02:17PM

All sensible people will vote in favor of the meals tax. They realize that as the County grows, the revenues that support it need to grow. They are tired of seeing local property owners (and those they rent to) forced to pick up the entire tab. It is obvious to all but the truly stupid that the time has come for us to catch up with all these other jurisdictions that take payments from outsiders -- tourists, commuters, and business travelers -- by passing a meals tax. Half of the Counties, ALL of the cities, and hundreds of towns in the Commonwealth have a meals tax. No terrible things have happened to them as the result. Outstanding restaurants abound and are profitable in these areas with meals taxes. Only fucking morons who don't know shit about one damned thing will vote against the meals tax. Fucking assholes!

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: You asked for it ()
Date: August 25, 2016 02:19PM

It will be fine
Just think of all the money you save using illegals

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: hCvTC ()
Date: August 25, 2016 02:26PM

Fuck off, derp Wrote:
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> All sensible people will vote in favor of the
> meals tax. They realize that as the County grows,
> the revenues that support it need to grow. They
> are tired of seeing local property owners (and
> those they rent to) forced to pick up the entire
> tab. It is obvious to all but the truly stupid
> that the time has come for us to catch up with all
> these other jurisdictions that take payments from
> outsiders -- tourists, commuters, and business
> travelers -- by passing a meals tax. Half of the
> Counties, ALL of the cities, and hundreds of towns
> in the Commonwealth have a meals tax. No terrible
> things have happened to them as the result.
> Outstanding restaurants abound and are profitable
> in these areas with meals taxes. Only fucking
> morons who don't know shit about one damned thing
> will vote against the meals tax. Fucking
> assholes!


County residents will pay the vast majority of these taxes. Pretending that 'outsiders' will bear the cost is typical disingenuous bullshit to try to convince people that *they* won't be the one paying for it. They will be.

The meals tax is a diversion and an attempt to avoid budget scrutiny. If the county needs the revenue, then raise property taxes so that people understand the true cost to operate things as they are run by the board rather than attempting to hide them in a meals tax.

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: Fuck off, derp ()
Date: August 25, 2016 02:27PM

You think everyone who speaks or understands a word of Spanish is an illegal. That's how fucking hopelessly stupid you and your gangs of pathetic assholes are.

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: Fuck off, derp ()
Date: August 25, 2016 02:38PM

hCvTC Wrote:
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> County residents will pay the vast majority of
> these taxes. Pretending that 'outsiders' will
> bear the cost is typical disingenuous bullshit to
> try to convince people that *they* won't be the
> one paying for it. They will be.

What a worthless douchebag. 100% is what County residents will pay absent the meals tax. Anything less than 100% is money in our pockets. You'd think that NO ONE could be too stupid to understand such a simple thing. But you fucking retards prove people wrong over and over and over agaion.

> The meals tax is a diversion and an attempt to
> avoid budget scrutiny.

The County budget is a fucking public document. If you understood anything longer than 5-letter words, you could read it on the internet any day you liked.

> If the county needs the> revenue, then raise property taxes
> so that people understand the true cost to operate things as
> they are run by the board rather than attempting to hide
> them in a meals tax.

The whole point is to get tax burden OFF OF LOCAL PROPERTY OWNERS. How fucking ignorant are you anyway? And the cost of your meals tax will be printed at the bottom of every receipt, just as is presently the case when dining anywhere in Fairfax City, Falls Church City, Vienna, Herndon, Manassas, Manassas Park, Arlington, or Alexandria.

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: v3kTe ()
Date: August 25, 2016 03:06PM

Fuck off, derp Wrote:
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> hCvTC Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > County residents will pay the vast majority of
> > these taxes. Pretending that 'outsiders' will
> > bear the cost is typical disingenuous bullshit
> to
> > try to convince people that *they* won't be the
> > one paying for it. They will be.
>
> What a worthless douchebag. 100% is what County
> residents will pay absent the meals tax. Anything
> less than 100% is money in our pockets. You'd
> think that NO ONE could be too stupid to
> understand such a simple thing. But you fucking
> retards prove people wrong over and over and over
> agaion.
>
> > The meals tax is a diversion and an attempt to
> > avoid budget scrutiny.
>
> The County budget is a fucking public document. If
> you understood anything longer than 5-letter
> words, you could read it on the internet any day
> you liked.
>
> > If the county needs the> revenue, then raise
> property taxes
> > so that people understand the true cost to
> operate things as
> > they are run by the board rather than attempting
> to hide
> > them in a meals tax.
>
> The whole point is to get tax burden OFF OF LOCAL
> PROPERTY OWNERS. How fucking ignorant are you
> anyway? And the cost of your meals tax will be
> printed at the bottom of every receipt, just as is
> presently the case when dining anywhere in Fairfax
> City, Falls Church City, Vienna, Herndon,
> Manassas, Manassas Park, Arlington, or Alexandria.


The whole point is to avoid public resistance to raising property taxes and the scrutiny of the cost side which they know will come with that. That's the ONLY reason for the proposal to begin with. A meals tax is a subsidy for more wealthy property owners and developers at the expense of everyone else. Outsiders contributing substantially to revenues via this tax is a ruse. Residents will pay most all and disproportionately so at lower income levels. If you want all of these great things that you place so much value on, then you should be willing to pay for them, not look to someone else to subsidize your tax bill.

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: simple and fair solution ()
Date: August 25, 2016 03:46PM

The solution is a luxury surcharge on homes valued over $1M or $1.5M of an additional 3-5 cents per $100 of assessed value.

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: HkYp7 ()
Date: August 25, 2016 04:40PM

Unintended Concession Wrote:
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> of other languages services and the number of
> students eligible for free or reduced price
> lunches have increased by almost 50 percent since
> FY2008 (an annual percentage growth of over 4.5
> percent). Many of these students are at risk of

So the county is getting poorer, we need to increase taxes? Won't this make more children eligible?

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: vm4wu ()
Date: August 25, 2016 04:41PM

simple and fair solution Wrote:
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> The solution is a luxury surcharge on homes valued
> over $1M or $1.5M of an additional 3-5 cents per
> $100 of assessed value.


A progressive tax. That isn't fair. Democrats only like flat, regressive taxes.

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: Inquisitive One ()
Date: August 25, 2016 04:41PM

Due to the 70/30 split of the revenue from the proceeds of the proposed tax there will not be sufficient funds to solve any of the funding problems on the General Funds side of the County budget. To complicate matters the School Board refuses to make a commitment that the additional money from the meals tax will be devoted to teachers pay increases. This means that the School Board's portion of the proceeds will be wasted on frivolous and meaningless social initiatives that will have no impact on the quality of education and the County will not receive sufficient funds to solve any of the current budget initiatives. For this reason, the School Board should be required to pass a Resolution stating that all proceeds from the tax, if passed, will be solely devoted to making teacher's pay more competitive with the other school systems in the area. This should not be a controversial issue because the School Board must become more responsible with the public's money if we are willing to entrust them with additional resources.

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Posted by: idiots abound ()
Date: August 25, 2016 04:59PM

Do you really think addition taxes for the school system will equate to them taking less from property taxes? You just haven't been paying attention. I have observed that more taxes just equates to more spending. I will bet you even if this passes, they'll be back wanting more next year from property taxes as well. It is untrue that the school's have received no new income as the county has grown. Do you have any idea how much property tax revenue has increased in the last 10 years? The assessments go up, or the rate goes up most every year. The average family is paying almost $1400 more per year since 2010. And think of all the new structures built since then now paying taxes. then we passed the lottery bill which was supposed to be the answer to school gunding problems. Last I knew, lottery ticket sales were strong. Ms.Garza the superin, gets $265,000 in salary. In addition, she gets a $24,000 housing allowance(god knows at quater million dollars she cant afford one), and $65,000 in retirement per year. Her new contract, 4 years worth, is $300,000 (7% increase) but only gives a $24000 retirement stipend and $2000 for housing( now that her house is probably payed off, her needs are lower). The average teacher makes over $66,000 per year. It's not starvation money by any means, and is right in the middle of BS degree salaries if you ignore the higher IT jobs. Unfortunately, the school system can't seam to find money in the budget for teacher raises, but found it for administrators. If you expect to have the school system to cut any fat whatsoever, you have to hold them responsible for spending the money we give them with the respect we deserve as those giving them our hard earned money. Giving them a new tax source doesn't send that message. They seam top heavy in administration compared to private schools, and very heavy compaired to other industries. Maybe the raises the teacher's want could be found from slimming down there. No more taxes.

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Posted by: Why not ()
Date: August 25, 2016 05:03PM

Wouldn't it be better if we were a city and could vote for a mayor

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: The emperor has no clothes ()
Date: August 25, 2016 07:28PM

There are good reasons to support a meals tax, like the fact that about 28% of meals tax revenues will be paid by people who do not live in Fairfax County, and 100% of the meals tax revenues will stay in Fairfax.

However, it is disingenuous for anyone to claim that because FCPS will always get an extra $70 million/year from the meals tax. The Supervisors aren't stupid. When they are trying to balance their FY 2018 or especially subsequent budgets, they will take into account the meals tax proceeds paid to FCPS.

In a county where so many people who have graduate and professional school degrees, it is amazing how few people seem to understand that money is fungible.

And by the way, the 4% meals tax will not have a significant impact one way or another. $100 million is a drop in the bucket compared to the billions that are raised from other revenues sources, primarily property taxes.

For people in the "no more taxes" camp, don't worry. If the meals tax passes, there will still be plenty of pressure on the Supervisors to find ways to cut the County budget. It's just that the pressure will be off in FY 2018, and will return in FY 2019 or at the latest, FY 2020.

For people in the "FCPS needs more money" camp, the meals tax is not going to necessarily get you any "extra" money. The Supervisors can turn around next year and decide to reduce the amount of the FCPS transfer by $70 million, without even stating that this is what they are doing.

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: idiots abound ()
Date: August 25, 2016 08:19PM

And there it is. When 100 million dollars is a drop in the bucket, you know your talking to someone in the government. Try to budget like you don't have an unlimited revenue source to tap into every time your spending exceeds your revenue. Like we all do. Like the private sector does. We are tapped out! Why should you burden an industry not related to the school's to have people that do business here pay for yor kid's education? It rolls right off the tounge like there's nothing immoral about that. This is what's wrong with government today. You've become pigs feeding at the public trough with no conscience. Live within your means so that we can too.

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: The emperor has no clothes ()
Date: August 25, 2016 09:32PM

idiots abound Wrote:
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> And there it is. When 100 million dollars is a
> drop in the bucket, you know your talking to
> someone in the government. Try to budget like you
> don't have an unlimited revenue source to tap into
> every time your spending exceeds your revenue.
> Like we all do. Like the private sector does. We
> are tapped out! Why should you burden an industry
> not related to the school's to have people that do
> business here pay for yor kid's education? It
> rolls right off the tounge like there's nothing
> immoral about that. This is what's wrong with
> government today. You've become pigs feeding at
> the public trough with no conscience. Live within
> your means so that we can too.

Idiots abound, you guessed wrong. You and I might even agree on a few issues. I just disagree with you on the meals tax. The restaurants will pass the meals tax onto their customers, just like landlords pass property taxes onto their tenants. The meals tax may even be paid in part by people who consume public services that cost far more than the state or local taxes they currently pay.

FCPS will never "live within its means" as you probably define that phrase. Instead, FCPS will continue to find dumb ways to balance the budget in tight years, such as by paying teachers below-market wages and putting 30+ kids in classrooms in the areas that business owners might want to live, when they are figuring out whether to locate their business. It's almost as if the School Board for the last two decades has been systematically trying to undermine the Supervisors' efforts to attract businesses.

On the other hand, the Board of Supervisors aren't blameless. They vote for policies that remind one of the famous poem, "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses . . . the wretched refuse . . . the homeless." All those programs and policies did exactly what the Supervisors wanted. Now we have more poor people who receive costly public services from the County and FCPS.

Instead of learning from past mistakes, the Supervisors and School Board just took another step in the same direction, with their "One Fairfax" resolution. If you think things are out of control now, just wait until those "One Fairfax" programs take effect.

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Posted by: idiots abound ()
Date: August 25, 2016 10:34PM

You make good points. The question goes begging. What will it take to get the government to stop giving everything away until we are bankrupt? Or, did I answer my own question? The private schools operate on smaller per student budgets and do better in many areas. My father was educated in a small country school with a fraction of the resources during the depression, and after resding his test snd papers from that era that I ran accross after he died, I realized that many college graduates would have to study hard to do as well. I was surprised to say the least. School has become as much about sociology as it is about education. I don't know if it is a good path or not. I do think that we may be making our young more dependent, instead of educating them to think for themselves. I hope I'm wrong. The meals tax just seams to be a way of funding that avoids the hard decision of doing the right thing in favor of avoiding the pain of bad choices by pushing it off on others who won't complain by voting them out. Meanwhile, I'm shopping for some new cookbooks.

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Posted by: 37DpY ()
Date: August 25, 2016 10:35PM

If the meal's tax doesn't fix any problems, why do we need it? So it can be ratched up year after year?

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Posted by: Fuck off, derp ()
Date: August 25, 2016 11:19PM

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: the bottom line ()
Date: August 26, 2016 09:57AM

I'm not voting for the tax. Those who think the County/FCPS really need more money can start sending it in.

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Posted by: I can read ()
Date: August 26, 2016 12:07PM

the bottom line Wrote:
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> I'm not voting for the tax. Those who think the
> County/FCPS really need more money can start
> sending it in.

Only if you don;t get to benefit from the outcomes of a quality school system. And I don't mean that you have kids. You benefit in having kids who are in school learning and not causing problems in the streets. You benefit from having higher house values and more jobs coming to the area.

Yes, the meals tax gets passed on to the consumer. Eat in any of the cities that have it, it appears on your bill, and I guarantee you never noticed it. You don't say "I'm not going to eat out in Alexandria tonight because of their meals tax."

As for those who say that only county residents will be bearing the weight anyways - they expect around 28% - or nearly 25 million dollars - to come from out-of-county- residents. TWENTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS. If that is "insignificant", that you don't know shit.

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Posted by: BothWayz ()
Date: August 26, 2016 12:15PM

I can read Wrote:
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> the bottom line Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm not voting for the tax. Those who think the
> > County/FCPS really need more money can start
> > sending it in.
>
> Only if you don;t get to benefit from the outcomes
> of a quality school system. And I don't mean that
> you have kids. You benefit in having kids who are
> in school learning and not causing problems in the
> streets. You benefit from having higher house
> values and more jobs coming to the area.
>


Except that's not how taxes work and you can't have it both ways.
We all get taxed on things that we never used and never benefit from. For that response of yours to hold any weight then you're advocating that we can find stuff we don't benefit from and don't use and can stop our tax money going to that.. ha! While not overly realistic the sentiment is true -- If you want the schools to have money so bad, do what he said in send it in. Don't talk about how you want them to have more money.. write a check! Taxes are just the minimum you must pay. No one is stopping you from paying more.

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Posted by: The emperor has no clothes ()
Date: August 27, 2016 09:09PM

idiots abound Wrote:
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> What will it take to get the government to stop
> giving everything away until we are bankrupt? Or,
> did I answer my own question? The private schools
> operate on smaller per student budgets and do
> better in many areas.

[snip]


> The meals tax just seams to be a way of funding that avoids the
> hard decision of doing the right thing in favor of
> avoiding the pain of bad choices by pushing it off
> on others who won't complain by voting them out.

Idiots abound, FCPS will only get $70 million/year from the meals tax. The FCPS annual operating budget exceeds $2.5 billion, and the county provides about $2 billion of that from its general fund, which by and large means local property taxes.

Although the County will have to send that $70 million to FCPS, that won't preclude the Supervisors from reducing the amount of local property taxes that they would otherwise have given to FCPS. So don't vote against the meals tax because you want FCPS to spend its budget more wisely. If we don't get a meals tax, we'll just pay higher property taxes.

By the way, plenty of private schools spend more than $14,000 per year on their students. Bishop O'Connell charges $14,625/year (for Catholic students) to $19,125/year (for international students). St. Stephens & St. Agnes in Alexandria charges $36,610/year for high school students. Sidwell Friends charges $39,360.

FCPS spends an average of $14,000 per student. However, a student who doesn't receive extra services for disabilities, less-than-fluent English or other "closing the achievement gap" type programs is only getting a $10,000/year education. That's nothing compared to the cost of most local private schools, and it's one reason why FCPS is in a downward spiral.

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Posted by: MwY9P ()
Date: August 27, 2016 11:44PM

The emperor has no clothes Wrote:
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> idiots abound Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > What will it take to get the government to stop
> > giving everything away until we are bankrupt?
> Or,
> > did I answer my own question? The private
> schools
> > operate on smaller per student budgets and do
> > better in many areas.
>
> [snip]
>
>
> > The meals tax just seams to be a way of funding
> that avoids the
> > hard decision of doing the right thing in favor
> of
> > avoiding the pain of bad choices by pushing it
> off
> > on others who won't complain by voting them
> out.
>
> Idiots abound, FCPS will only get $70 million/year
> from the meals tax. The FCPS annual operating
> budget exceeds $2.5 billion, and the county
> provides about $2 billion of that from its general
> fund, which by and large means local property
> taxes.
>
> Although the County will have to send that $70
> million to FCPS, that won't preclude the
> Supervisors from reducing the amount of local
> property taxes that they would otherwise have
> given to FCPS. So don't vote against the meals
> tax because you want FCPS to spend its budget more
> wisely. If we don't get a meals tax, we'll just
> pay higher property taxes.


Which is how it should be. They're just trying to avoid rasing the rate via the meals tax as means of avoidance.

The $25 million that they claim will be paid by 'outsiders' (which is a bullshit number) is equal to about a 1 cent increase on the $1.33/100 rate, which was just raised 4 cents last cycle, or about $53/property bill on average.

That same $25 million is roughly the cost of the annual increase - that's just the increase, not the base cost - to heatlh insurance costs for employees for one year.

The vast majority of the cost increases (+70%) are for personnel costs - salaries, increases, benefits, pensions, not for services/facilities/programs for students.

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Posted by: Right on Baby! ()
Date: August 27, 2016 11:59PM

>The solution is a luxury surcharge on homes valued over $1M or $1.5M of an additional 3-5 cents per $100 of assessed value.

A EXTRA .50 cents the hundred on homes in Vienna! Where Vienna Guy lives.. They Do collect Real Estate tax on hobo squatters?? In the Wino's nests back in the woods?? In Vienna??

DAJAX. The Chock Full of Nuts Coffee Drinker.. F the Kona crap..Vienna Guy wishes for in his camp.. If I "Spot" him ..the "Asshole" I will give him a shine box to bootstrap his self up outta that Hobo Junction!!

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Posted by: vote no on the meals tax ()
Date: August 28, 2016 11:20AM

Nowhere, anywhere, is there a guarantee that passage of the meals tax will lower property taxes. A far more likely scenario is that if the meals tax is enacted, it will not raise enough money to satisfy the schools and property taxes will go up anyway.

FCPS wastes money. All too well documented are cases such as the $9,000/day music and neuroscience consultant, the $10,000/hour commencement speech, the $80,000/month FCPS spends on travel and all of the perks (retirement, housing allowance, car, phone, etc.) that they give Karen Garza.

FCPS needs to cut spending. If this means certain "popular" programs have to go, then they go. The mission of FCPS is to serve the student community, whatever it may be.

Vote no on the meals tax on November 8.

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Posted by: Interesting tactic ()
Date: August 28, 2016 11:31AM

If you are betting on the restaraunt lobby over the school system, be prepared to lose that one.

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Posted by: place your bets ()
Date: August 28, 2016 11:38AM

I'm betting the "we pay enough taxes and FCPS wastes money" contingent will prevail over the "FCPS needs more money and has been screwed" contingent.

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Re: more pro-meals tax propaganda debunked!
Posted by: Inquisitive One ()
Date: August 28, 2016 11:51AM

vote no on the meals tax Wrote:
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> Nowhere, anywhere, is there a guarantee that
> passage of the meals tax will lower property
> taxes. A far more likely scenario is that if the
> meals tax is enacted, it will not raise enough
> money to satisfy the schools and property taxes
> will go up anyway.
>
> FCPS wastes money. All too well documented are
> cases such as the $9,000/day music and
> neuroscience consultant, the $10,000/hour
> commencement speech, the $80,000/month FCPS spends
> on travel and all of the perks (retirement,
> housing allowance, car, phone, etc.) that they
> give Karen Garza.
>
> FCPS needs to cut spending. If this means certain
> "popular" programs have to go, then they go. The
> mission of FCPS is to serve the student community,
> whatever it may be.
>
> Vote no on the meals tax on November 8.


Not only does the School Board recognize that the meals tax will not raise enough funds to satisfy their needs but they refuse to even make an attempt to change in any way in order that the funds that are made available to them is spent in a responsible manner. When asked to pass a resolution that states that their share will be exclusively spent on making teacher's pay more competitive with other school districts, there has been nothing but SILENCE. To me this means that regardless of how much that the BOS transfers to the School Board it will not be enough and there will be continued whining for more and more funds.

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Posted by: Inquisitive One ()
Date: August 28, 2016 12:05PM

Unintended Concession Wrote:
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> "Thus, both the Fairfax County budget and the FCPS
> operating budget have been outpaced by increased
> demand since FY2008. The FCPS budget has been
> particularly stretched thin because both the
> number of students receiving English for speakers
> of other languages services and the number of
> students eligible for free or reduced price
> lunches have increased by almost 50 percent since
> FY2008 (an annual percentage growth of over 4.5
> percent). Many of these students are at risk of
> falling far behind without some additional time,
> attention, and resources."
>
>
> Ay, there's the rub...

AND...

Year after year the School Board funds irrelevant and useless initiatives that soak up scarce resources such as opening school early (at least $5 million), artificial turf athletic fields that may cause cancer and only God knows how much the transgender nondiscrimination policy will eventually cost because they refuse to discuss the issue with the residents of Fairfax County.

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Posted by: 70-30 ()
Date: August 28, 2016 02:04PM

Interesting tactic Wrote:
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> If you are betting on the restaraunt lobby over
> the school system, be prepared to lose that one.


If you're betting that people will vote to raise their own taxes through a meals tax, then you should look at how the last vote went and the others in more recent years in surrounding counties when they'be been put up for vote.

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