Anybody recently have a front door and storm door installed? Looks like I'm looking at about $500 for materials and $500 for labor roughly. Does this seem reasonable? Should I have Home Depot do the install or find other contractor?

A nice storm door will run you about $250-$350 plus install of about $150

A quality steel security door with a decent R factor will run you about $350-$450 plus another $200 for the install.

The most important thing is to buy the best doors you can afford. Don't skimp.

If this is for a property you are flipping, then go for the doors that give the greatest return on your investment - But then you knew that.

Good general advice above, however some additional details about the style and qualities of the door would help us tell you if the price you are looking at is reasonable. Home depot installers can be hit or miss.

If you want security in the door, make sure the door frame is steel. Wood is less expensive, but it can't take a big hit. A commercial grade door, and a good locking system by ASSA will give you the performance you desire.

dont get a "blow molded" (any kind of plastic) storm door (made in china) or anything made with steel (from china)

if plastic they warp, are a pain rather than a utility as far as operation, and will have to be thrown away because (due to being warped they break themselves)

if steel (most chinese screen doors are) they will rust soon - JUST AFTER WARANTEE. you'd be better off without any "storm" door.

%99 chance you should consider shopping online if your considering chinese stuff. home depot will likely just try to rip you a new one.

NOTE: you can have a custom door made for $500. $500 is really allot unless your talking "rare wood".

home depot, lowes, will likely have only the chinese models you wouldn't or shouldn't buy out of the ones available online

A basic quality steel door with clear coat paint and lifetime warranted brass hardware starts at $1500 and will go as high as $3000 installed.

A high quality fiberglass door will run $2200-$4500 depending on style, glass package and hardware.

Doorman Wrote:
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> A basic quality steel door with clear coat paint
> and lifetime warranted brass hardware starts at
> $1500 and will go as high as $3000 installed.
>
> A high quality fiberglass door will run
> $2200-$4500 depending on style, glass package and
> hardware.

^^ troll. they are $100 and will rust, and the company will be out of business by the time you realize your ripped off

whmHb Wrote:
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> %99 chance you should consider shopping online if
> your considering chinese stuff. home depot will
> likely just try to rip you a new one.
>
> NOTE: you can have a custom door made for $500.
> $500 is really allot unless your talking "rare
> wood".

i suggest if your $500 getting a made in usa even custom door

but if you decide you have enough usa and will buy the best competing door - china has anything your looking for as well as usa does ... just not at home depot or lowes

KWKVC Wrote:
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> Doorman Wrote:
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> > A basic quality steel door with clear coat
> paint
> > and lifetime warranted brass hardware starts at
> > $1500 and will go as high as $3000 installed.
> >
> > A high quality fiberglass door will run
> > $2200-$4500 depending on style, glass package
> and
> > hardware.
>
> ^^ troll. they are $100 and will rust, and the
> company will be out of business by the time you
> realize your ripped off

yes but with a thick coat of latex you won't see it ... but poster #2 didn't say spend allot on "latex painted metal press-formed door" ... i think the poster meant "something appealing and long lasting"

OR get a run of the mill door, people expect those, and spend your time thinking about more important things

4339c Wrote:
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> OR get a run of the mill door, people expect
> those, and spend your time thinking about more
> important things


+1000000


Get the Andersen doors from Home Depot and be done with it.


$500 for materials sounds right, and $500 for labor sounds a little high but not terribly bad.

Have had three doors installed by Lowes. Have been very pleased with the work done in all cases. If you have a problem or complaint, you can go back to Lowes and talk to them instead of chasing some guy all over God knows where. That's huge.

Install was about $500 to $600 per door.

An entry door is one of the few improvements that you can make to your home that returns over 100% of it's cost when sold. Around here people don't expect anything to be "run of the mill" when purchasing a house.

And it all depends on what you need. A simple steel entry door with no side lights starts around $400 at big box stores. Keep in mind this is not just a "unscrew hinge from old door and install new door" type of operation. It's jamb and everything.

Unfortunately, if you have side lights or a transom you're looking at $5,000, easily, for a steel door. A fiberglass door with lights and transom can run up to $25,000. That's twenty-five-fucking-thousand-dollars.



4339c Wrote:
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> OR get a run of the mill door, people expect
> those, and spend your time thinking about more
> important things

Que? Wrote:
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> An entry door is one of the few improvements that
> you can make to your home that returns over 100%
> of it's cost when sold. Around here people don't
> expect anything to be "run of the mill" when
> purchasing a house.
>
> And it all depends on what you need. A simple
> steel entry door with no side lights starts around
> $400 at big box stores. Keep in mind this is not
> just a "unscrew hinge from old door and install
> new door" type of operation. It's jamb and
> everything.
>
> Unfortunately, if you have side lights or a
> transom you're looking at $5,000, easily, for a
> steel door. A fiberglass door with lights and
> transom can run up to $25,000. That's
> twenty-five-fucking-thousand-dollars.
>
>
>
> 4339c Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > OR get a run of the mill door, people expect
> > those, and spend your time thinking about more
> > important things


$5000 for a door with sidelites?

Please let me know when you need a door replaced, so I can resell your contract.

You can get a decent door with sideltes for under $1000, Home depot doesn't sell doors in store anywhere near $5000 and they have plenty with sidelites. Installed, it will cost you under $2,000.

OP probably doesn't have an ultra high end property, so it makes most sense to just get the average doors home depot sells (mostly Andersen doors).


Also OP if you're looking to save some money, depending on the condition of the door you can restore it, sand it down, fill any cracks and repaint it. You can make a decrepit door look brand new.

Don't buy what you can't afford. If your station in life means you can only afford cheap shit, buy cheap shit. If you can afford better than cheap shit, you are obviously not looking for advice from the assorted cheap-shit dumbfuck losers on this site. Try here instead...

http://www.houseofdoors.com/

Better yet if you do have money to spend, buy the average shit that millions of people buy and take that $5000 you saved and pay down any debts you have or stick it in an index fund. Come back and thank me when you retire.

NyTcP Wrote:
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> Don't buy what you can't afford. If your station
> in life means you can only afford cheap shit, buy
> cheap shit. If you can afford better than cheap
> shit, you are obviously not looking for advice
> from the assorted cheap-shit dumbfuck losers on
> this site. Try here instead...
>
> http://www.houseofdoors.com/


Go back and live in your 45 year old single wide trailer, and drink your cheap shit canned beer.

yep yep yep3 Wrote:
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> Better yet if you do have money to spend, buy the
> average shit that millions of people buy and take
> that $5000 you saved and pay down any debts you
> have or stick it in an index fund. Come back and
> thank me when you retire.

Horrible idea. If you have money, funding an eventual retirement is a piece of cake. In the meantime, get a really nice solid wood door. And put a really nice carpet in the bedroom. You'll thank yourself for it every single day for the rest of your life.

NbY7W Wrote:
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> yep yep yep3 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Better yet if you do have money to spend, buy
> the
> > average shit that millions of people buy and
> take
> > that $5000 you saved and pay down any debts you
> > have or stick it in an index fund. Come back
> and
> > thank me when you retire.
>
> Horrible idea. If you have money, funding an
> eventual retirement is a piece of cake. In the
> meantime, get a really nice solid wood door. And
> put a really nice carpet in the bedroom. You'll
> thank yourself for it every single day for the
> rest of your life.


True but that does not sound like OP, if he's worried about spending $500. Most Americans are fucking horrible with money, in debt out their ass and have nothing in retirement, 75% of Americans near retirement age have under $30,000 saved. The same ones who buy $5000 doors and new cars.


> > this site. Try here instead...
> >
> > http://www.houseofdoors.com/

https://www.yelp.com/biz/house-of-doors-alexandria

Horrible reviews, and you can just take a quick look and see they are going to be way overpriced. If you want to save money, stay away with any company with a youtube channel and a showroom.

Please let me know when you check into reality in Northern Virginia.

I suppose it depends on your definition of "decent". If "decent" means a hollow steel piece of shit that will dent the first time you touch it, along with single paned side lights...used...from the back of a truck...then yes, you can surely get that for $1000. And I'm adding "installation" into the price, as most people aren't going to rip out and install their own entry door if they want it to perform its basic function.

I priced a steel door with transom and sidelights...installed, from Home Depot at $5-6,000. I've done this within the last few months.

I've gotten prices as high as $25,000 for a non-ornate, basic fiberglass door with lights and transom from certain door/window/siding installation "companies" in the area.

Wake up dude.

yep yep yep3 Wrote:
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> Que? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > An entry door is one of the few improvements
> that
> > you can make to your home that returns over
> 100%
> > of it's cost when sold. Around here people
> don't
> > expect anything to be "run of the mill" when
> > purchasing a house.
> >
> > And it all depends on what you need. A simple
> > steel entry door with no side lights starts
> around
> > $400 at big box stores. Keep in mind this is
> not
> > just a "unscrew hinge from old door and install
> > new door" type of operation. It's jamb and
> > everything.
> >
> > Unfortunately, if you have side lights or a
> > transom you're looking at $5,000, easily, for a
> > steel door. A fiberglass door with lights and
> > transom can run up to $25,000. That's
> > twenty-five-fucking-thousand-dollars.
> >
> >
> >
> > 4339c Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > OR get a run of the mill door, people expect
> > > those, and spend your time thinking about
> more
> > > important things
>
>
> $5000 for a door with sidelites?
>
> Please let me know when you need a door replaced,
> so I can resell your contract.
>
> You can get a decent door with sideltes for under
> $1000, Home depot doesn't sell doors in store
> anywhere near $5000 and they have plenty with
> sidelites. Installed, it will cost you under
> $2,000.
>
> OP probably doesn't have an ultra high end
> property, so it makes most sense to just get the
> average doors home depot sells (mostly Andersen
> doors).
>
>
> Also OP if you're looking to save some money,
> depending on the condition of the door you can
> restore it, sand it down, fill any cracks and
> repaint it. You can make a decrepit door look
> brand new.

And dumb-shit, "Andersen" is going to be HD's higher end line of doors. Their "average door" is Jeld-Wen; the nearly hollow, piece of shit that will dent as soon as you touch it. If you want a white one that doesn't take paint very well with some single pane 1/2 lights...then maybe you push $1,000, with another $1,000 to $1,500 for demo/installation. It won't do much for insulation, will look cheap if your neighbors have anything better, wouldn't keep a 5 year old out when locked and dead bolted and will try to shed it's paint at least once a year.

If that's what you want to spend $2,000+ on, have at it...

Yes, please, share your vast knowledge of bullshit with me.



"OP probably doesn't have an ultra high end property, so it makes most sense to just get the average doors home depot sells (mostly Andersen doors)"

The cheaper doors are fiberglass and they will last 20+ years without any issues.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Feather-River-Doors-67-5-in-x-81-625-in-Rochester-Patina-1-2-Lite-Unfinished-Smooth-Fiberglass-Prehung-Front-Door-with-Sidelites-873191-3B4/203126143

Just like that. 3, not single pane glass, fiberglass, brand new from HD and under $1000. I have have many doors like those on my rentals with 0 issues in over 20 years.


Labor costs in NoVA are very reasonable considering our high COL, we have lots of competition which drives labor pricing down. Installed, it can be done for well under $2000.

Just hang a curtain or better yet some beads in the doorway. Putting a door on your house is racist.

yep yep yep3 Wrote:
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> True but that does not sound like OP, if he's worried about spending $500.

It was you who raised the point of those who "have money to spend." The OP was no longer any necessary part of things at that point. Having money and doing nothing with it but squirreling it away for retirement is a dumb idea. Like top-of-the-line carpeting in the bedroom or extra-fancy granite in the kitchen, a first-class entryway door is an excellent investment. Don't even consider the return you might get if you ever decide to sell the place. Simply focus on the dividends you'll earn every day merely from walking on or past these sorts of features. You live your life on a day-to-day basis. You can enjoy it that way as well. At least once you reach a level where you "have money to spend."

> Most Americans are fucking horrible with money, in debt out their ass and
> have nothing in retirement, 75% of Americans near retirement age have
> under $30,000 saved. The same ones who buy $5000 doors and new cars.

You are running away from the "have money to spend" thing again. Plus this is just tired, old, unfounded, and hopelessly disjointed Dave-Ramsey/Suze-Orman-grade pop-culture schlock and hackery. Without a real reason for any of it, most American males tend to believe that they are great in bed, that they are savvy investors, and that they qualify as wizards at financial management. Fear of debt is one sure way to tell that they don't actually know what they are talking about, at least in the latter areas.

> Horrible reviews, and you can just take a quick look and see they are
> going to be way overpriced.

LOL! House of Doors has been in existence since the 1970's, and they have a grand total of SIX reviews on Yelp. As if Yelp were more than an FFXU-grade resource to start out with. There may well be many low-level, cheapskate places out there where those who "want to save money" can buy cut-rate, run-of-the-mill, factory-made doors. But try finding a better place for hand-made hardwood doors -- the kind that people who "have money to spend" will want to be out there looking at. Be careful though -- once you see what the hands of a skilled craftsman can turn out, it will be difficult to settle for anything less.

> If you want to save money, stay away with any company with a youtube
> channel and a showroom.

You just don't get it. Among people who "have money to spend", saving money is not the big priority that it might be for those who find themselves in different circumstances. And of course, your rules of thumb are absurd bits of whimsical nonsense.

uVdCb Wrote:
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> yep yep yep3 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > True but that does not sound like OP, if he's
> worried about spending $500.
>
> It was you who raised the point of those who "have
> money to spend." The OP was no longer any
> necessary part of things at that point. Having
> money and doing nothing with it but squirreling it
> away for retirement is a dumb idea. Like
> top-of-the-line carpeting in the bedroom or
> extra-fancy granite in the kitchen, a first-class
> entryway door is an excellent investment. Don't
> even consider the return you might get if you ever
> decide to sell the place. Simply focus on the
> dividends you'll earn every day merely from
> walking on or past these sorts of features. You
> live your life on a day-to-day basis. You can
> enjoy it that way as well. At least once you
> reach a level where you "have money to spend."

"Have money to spend" by most Americans standards means nothing in retirement, 2 car notes, and a paycheck that just cleared.

>
> > Most Americans are fucking horrible with money,
> in debt out their ass and
> > have nothing in retirement, 75% of Americans
> near retirement age have
> > under $30,000 saved. The same ones who buy $5000
> doors and new cars.
>
> You are running away from the "have money to
> spend" thing again. Plus this is just tired, old,
> unfounded, and hopelessly disjointed
> Dave-Ramsey/Suze-Orman-grade pop-culture schlock
> and hackery. Without a real reason for any of it,
> most American males tend to believe that they are
> great in bed, that they are savvy investors, and
> that they qualify as wizards at financial
> management. Fear of debt is one sure way to tell
> that they don't actually know what they are
> talking about, at least in the latter areas.

Do a quick search and you will find most people have next to nothing and shouldn't be spending thousands on doors. Won't get into the whole debt thing, but obviously not all debt is bad, as stated in my previous posts I have rentals so I carry quite a bit of debt myself.

http://time.com/money/4258451/retirement-savings-survey/


http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/04/03/retired-here-how-your-retirement-savings-compare-with-average-american.html

Again if you're actually well of this doesn't matter. But to most Americans having money to spend means their last paycheck just cleared.

>
> > Horrible reviews, and you can just take a quick
> look and see they are
> > going to be way overpriced.
>
> LOL! House of Doors has been in existence since
> the 1970's, and they have a grand total of SIX
> reviews on Yelp. As if Yelp were more than an
> FFXU-grade resource to start out with. There may
> well be many low-level, cheapskate places out
> there where those who "want to save money" can buy
> cut-rate, run-of-the-mill, factory-made doors.
> But try finding a better place for hand-made
> hardwood doors -- the kind that people who "have
> money to spend" will want to be out there looking
> at. Be careful though -- once you see what the
> hands of a skilled craftsman can turn out, it will
> be difficult to settle for anything less.
>
> > If you want to save money, stay away with any
> company with a youtube
> > channel and a showroom.
>
> You just don't get it. Among people who "have
> money to spend", saving money is not the big
> priority that it might be for those who find
> themselves in different circumstances. And of
> course, your rules of thumb are absurd bits of
> whimsical nonsense.

Again not an issue if you're actually well off. As for House of doors, it has 11 yelp reviews, the majority are not good. Michael and Sons has been around since the 70s as well, and their work is dog shit.


Anyways OP, get the average shit and as said by the other poster, spend your time thinking about more important things.

uVdCb Wrote:
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> Like top-of-the-line carpeting in the bedroom or
> extra-fancy granite in the kitchen, a first-class
> entryway door is an excellent investment.

As with most things in life this depends on the circumstances. It is real easy to spend large amounts of money on home improvements based on chestnuts about what a great return on investment those improvements are, and then turn around and sell the property for little or no more money than what a property without those improvements or with only modest improvements sell for.

If you are making home improvements based on what it will do to the value of your property, you look at what is happening in your particular neighborhood. If you live in a neighborhood with modest homes on large lots there is a good chance the purchaser will knock the place down and improvements will make little difference. In other neighborhoods improvements that make the property look nicer may bring in more traffic, but improvelents that increase functionality like adding a bedroom and bath in the basement will likely provide a higher return. If you are at the higher end you need to "keep up with the Jones".

Another factor is when improvements are made relative to the sale date. Things wear out and styles change. Which comes to the point that houses are meant to be used, and you need to factor in your added enjoyment from having the house nicer. The only way to financially realize any appreciation in value is to sell or mortgage the property, meaning you then have to find another place to live or you have to pay on a larger mortgage.

> Fear of debt is one sure way to tell
> that they don't actually know what they are
> talking about,

An excessive fear of debt may indicate someone doesn't know what they are talking about, but the same is also true of a lack of respect for the risks of debt. Like the stock market debt is a gamble. Used wisely and in prudent amounts debt can pay off big, but even then there is the potential that things can go bad.

> LOL! House of Doors has been in existence since
> the 1970's,

They are an excellent company and make an excellent product...for the right home. We used them twice. For one though we paid way too much for the door, given the house it was going on. We just wanted a door with particular features and they had it. We could have probably gotten by with a standard slab door from Home Depot and nobody other than us would have noticed.

The one rule I have followed with doors installation has to be part of the package. A handyman may have the skills and be willing to do it cheaper. If the door is messed up on installation I doubt the handyman is going to buy another one.

Bill.N.

yep yep yep3 Wrote:
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> "Have money to spend" by most Americans standards
> means nothing in retirement, 2 car notes, and a
> paycheck that just cleared.

LOL! To anyone at all, having money to spend means that the necessities of life have been taken care of and now it's time to decide what to do with the remainder. The people you describe are paycheck-to-paycheck paupers. That's a very different thing.

> Do a quick search and you will find most people
> have next to nothing and shouldn't be spending
> thousands on doors.

Then they don't have money to spend, do they. They simply aren't members of the class you tried to isolate.

> Won't get into the whole debt thing, but obviously
> not all debt is bad, as stated in my previous posts
> I have rentals so I carry quite a bit of debt myself.

So debt is fine for you, but not good for all these others.

> As for House of doors, it has 11 yelp reviews, the
> majority are not good.

No, it had six reviews earlier, and it still has six. That's simply not a statistically valid number. And all of the reviews are at the extremes (1 or 5), further undermining the validity and usefulness of the data. As an educated consumer, you should have known that.

> Michael and Sons has been around since the 70s as well,
> and their work is dog shit.

LOL! The 40-year history of House of Doors was noted relevant to their mere six Yelp reviews from all that time, not to the quality of their work. If you wanted to learn about that, you could go down to their Alexandria "showroom." There would be no point in doing so of course if you did not "have money to spend."

> Anyways OP, get the average shit and as said by
> the other poster, spend your time thinking about
> more important things.

Like wishing you'd gotten a nicer door instead of settling for the cheap-ass piece of crap some internet El Dopo recommended to you. No one says you should go high-end. Do not buy what you cannot afford. But if you "have money to spend" here, at least go out and learn what the high-end actually is.

a steel door is bull - it would look like a hospital door if it were stainless - and cost like one
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Cost to install doggie door? Should I get a steel doggie door?

an iron door is beautiful

however USE EXTREME CAUTION

#1 anthing from china is rusty steel with a "non-rust" coating made to look like iron that will fail: just after warrantee

#2 allot of iron is not pure and will begin to rust - because it's: steel

pure iron is like a railroad track: 200 years and it will have a corrosion coating but show NO LOSS OF DIAMETER. true iron rusts very very slowly, even more slowly than aluminum (alu door, undamaged (alu isn't strong), might last 70 or 100 years). a well made iron door, kept clean, might last many hundred years

good wood in a proper installation (weather protected by home), and properly maintained - can be as beautiful as iron and last a hundred years or more
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a quality steel door (from reputable company, lifetime limited warrantee), would easily last 50 years if not an easy 100 years

so go by the warrantteee: if it says "1 year ...." RUN AWAY FROM THAT PRODUCT AND INSULT WHOEVER TRIES TO SELL IT TO YOU

eh4vH Wrote:
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> yep yep yep3 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "Have money to spend" by most Americans
> standards
> > means nothing in retirement, 2 car notes, and a
> > paycheck that just cleared.
>
> LOL! To anyone at all, having money to spend
> means that the necessities of life have been taken
> care of and now it's time to decide what to do
> with the remainder. The people you describe are
> paycheck-to-paycheck paupers. That's a very
> different thing.
>
> > Do a quick search and you will find most people
> > have next to nothing and shouldn't be spending
> > thousands on doors.
>
> Then they don't have money to spend, do they.
> They simply aren't members of the class you tried
> to isolate.
>
> > Won't get into the whole debt thing, but
> obviously
> > not all debt is bad, as stated in my previous
> posts
> > I have rentals so I carry quite a bit of debt
> myself.
>
> So debt is fine for you, but not good for all
> these others.

No, that goes for the average American who has credit card debt, gets pay day loans, car title loans and has next to nothing in equity in their homes.
>
> > As for House of doors, it has 11 yelp reviews,
> the
> > majority are not good.
>
> No, it had six reviews earlier, and it still has
> six. That's simply not a statistically valid
> number. And all of the reviews are at the
> extremes (1 or 5), further undermining the
> validity and usefulness of the data. As an
> educated consumer, you should have known that.

No, you missed out on the reviews that weren't recommended, it has a total of 11 reviews.

>
> > Michael and Sons has been around since the 70s
> as well,
> > and their work is dog shit.
>
> LOL! The 40-year history of House of Doors was
> noted relevant to their mere six Yelp reviews from
> all that time, not to the quality of their work.
> If you wanted to learn about that, you could go
> down to their Alexandria "showroom." There would
> be no point in doing so of course if you did not
> "have money to spend."
>
> > Anyways OP, get the average shit and as said by
> > the other poster, spend your time thinking
> about
> > more important things.
>
> Like wishing you'd gotten a nicer door instead of
> settling for the cheap-ass piece of crap some
> internet El Dopo recommended to you. No one says
> you should go high-end. Do not buy what you
> cannot afford. But if you "have money to spend"
> here, at least go out and learn what the high-end
> actually is.

Those el cheapo Home Depot doors like the one I linked to have held up just fine, on my personal home I have something a little nicer. I got out my tape measure, found something I liked online, had it shipped to my home and one of my contractors installed it. He's a bit busy so he doesn't have much time to make youtube videos, facebook pages, twitter accounts or decorate his truck with self portraits.

He's stuck in a older house after spending way too much on his HELOC-funded kitchen remodel. No doors on his carport.

I wonder how much for a bulletproof door..... *goes to google*

You better get a good one that will give time to 911 the police when the nogs bum rush your door.


A gun with plenty of ammo might do you better and in case the police don't show up.
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