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You are shifting arguments.
Your earlier statement: "It's well documented that the lists are not cross referenced."
Did you make this statement?
What happens when an individual enters into a gun store and attempts to buy a firearm? They fill out a Form 4473.
After that, their name is run through the NICS system. When the background check is initiated three databases are accessed: the National Crime Information Center (NCIC), the Interstate Identification Index (III), and the NICS Index.
Well, what does each of those databases access?
The NCIC accesses:
- Missing Persons File - Records on individuals, including children, who have been reported missing to law enforcement and there is a reasonable concern for their safety.
- Foreign Fugitive File - Records on persons wanted by another country for a crime that would be a felony if it were committed in the United States.
- Identity Theft File - Records containing descriptive and other information that law enforcement personnel can use to determine if an individual is a victim of identity theft or if the individual might be using a false identity.
- Immigration Violator File - Records on criminal aliens whom immigration authorities have deported and aliens with outstanding administrative warrants of removal.
- Protection Order File - Records on individuals against whom protection orders have been issued.
- Supervised Release File - Records on individuals on probation, parole, or supervised release or released on their own recognizance or during pre-trial sentencing.
- Unidentified Persons File- Records on unidentified deceased persons, living persons who are unable to verify their identities, unidentified victims of catastrophes, and recovered body parts. The file cross-references unidentified bodies against records in the Missing Persons File.
- U.S. Secret Service Protective File - Records containing names and other information on individuals who are believed to pose a threat to the U.S. president and/or others afforded protection by the U.S. Secret Service.
- Gang File - Records on violent gangs and their members.
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Known or Appropriately Suspected Terrorist File - Records on known or appropriately suspected terrorists in accordance with HSPD-6.
- Wanted Persons File - Records on individuals (including juveniles who will be tried as adults) for whom a federal warrant or a felony or misdemeanor warrant is outstanding.
- National Sex Offender Registry File - Records on individuals who are required to register in a jurisdiction’s sex offender registry.
- National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Denied Transaction File - Records on individuals who have been determined to be “prohibited persons” according to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act and were denied as a result of a NICS background check. (As of August 2012, records include last six months of denied transactions; in the future, records will include all denials.)
- Violent Person File - Once fully populated with data from our users, this file will contain records of persons with a violent criminal history and persons who have previously threatened law enforcement.
Did you happen to notice the one I bolded above?
So, we've debunked your assertion that the lists are not cross-referenced.
But, you may ask what happens when someone on the known or suspected terrorist list is flagged at the time of a NICS check. Well, a 3 day delay is placed on the transaction that allows NICS and the FBI to determine if the transaction should be prohibited. If after investigation, no derogatory information is revealed, the transaction can take place at the discretion of the gun dealer. The FBI will also continue to investigate after the 3 days to determine if the person should have the firearm taken away.
In this case, as you pointed out, the FBI removed the person from the known or suspected terrorist list, so no further investigation took place. Whether or not taking the shooter off the list is a different question.
No need to thank me for your education. However, this is all public information that the media and the anti-second amendment crowd doesn't reveal to the public. I had to dig around for it back in December, but it really wasn't that hard to find. According to the reports I've read, this has been going on for about 12 years.