Per the FHA and AASHTO, vA highway 267 will begin Interstate 595 in July.

Who cares

how much extra will this change cost us?

Interstate? Doesn't that mean it goes through more than one state?

Like 66?

Tuwdx Wrote:
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> Interstate? Doesn't that mean it goes through more
> than one state?

You mean like I66 here in VA or I97 that runs from Baltimore to Annapolis?

Those are real interstates and this is just a small 3-digit road like 195 that connects 95 to BWI airport. Or 695, the Baltimore Beltway. Or 270. Or 195 through Richmond and 295 around Richmond. Or 581 in Roanoke. Or 264, 564, and 664 in the Norfolk area. Or any of the other several hundred 3 digit spurs and connectors that don't cross state lines.

I guess you'll also be surprised to learn that Alaska and Hawaii have interstate highways even though those states don't connect to any other states? Or that Puerto Rico has interstate highways (even though they don't put up the interstate signage) and it's not even a state?


For the record, being labelled an "interstate" highway means that the highway is a part of the Interstate Highway System was created by President Eisenhower.

Link?

There are very few told interstates in our interstate highway system. One of the few that is most well-known is the Pennsylvania Turnpike which consist of I 70. That was integrated into our system, read a grandfathered, but he interstate Highway act signed into law by President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Why is the federal housing administration involved, this some Obama thing?

US 50 in Maryland has a 'secret' designation of I-595 in Maryland.

Interstate highways are racist. They were modeled on the German autobahn crated by Hitler.

uH7dH Wrote:
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> Why is the federal housing administration
> involved, this some Obama thing?


Federal Highway Administration

I – 270 spur Wrote:1
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> There are very few told interstates in our interstate highway system.

You probably meant "tolled", but there are many stretches of tolled interstates. Try driving from Baltimore to Boston if you need further convincing.

Huh??? Wrote:
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> Link?

LOL. Google returns this very thread as its top-of-page-1 link for "I-595 Dulles". Tends to suggest bogusness on the part of the OP.

Fairfax County Pkwy to become I-695 per NATO, this will be discussed further at the next g8 summit

I can verify the OPD's claim the Dulles toll road becoming 595

Cucks for Clinton Wrote:
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> Like 66?

66 terminates in Washington, DC.

I thought interstates that run North/South end in an odd number. Like 95 and 81.
While Interstates that run East/West end in even numbers. Like 66 and 64.
Doesn't the toll road run East/West?

From Wikipedia:

"Auxiliary Interstate Highways are circumferential, radial, or spur highways that principally serve urban areas. These types of Interstate Highways are given three-digit route numbers, which consist of a single digit prefixed to the two-digit number of its parent Interstate Highway. Spur routes deviate from their parent and do not return; these are given an odd first digit. Circumferential and radial loop routes return to the parent, and are given an even first digit. Due to the large number of these routes, auxiliary route numbers may be repeated in different states along the mainline. Some auxiliary highways do not follow these guidelines, however."

Without a link, going to have to call bullshit on this one.

Road news Wrote:
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> Per the FHA and AASHTO, vA highway 267 will begin
> Interstate 595 in July.
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Does that mean the tolls are going away?

Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
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> Does that mean the tolls are going away?

the signs will be updated $5.95

all tolls at each toll booth will be 5.95

mjs Wrote:
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> all tolls at each toll booth will be 5.95

I'd rather have the meals tax.

There are specific designations for federal highways based on position direction and what they do. Odd number north south. Even east and west. 2xx 1xx eg 195 295 are bypasses that travel on the edge of a metropolitan area.3xx 5xx are highways that terminate in the city.eg 395 595. 4Xx 6xx 8xx are beltway's that circle and never enter the city. The further south the lower the number. The number is bigger if it is further north. Both coast eg California and Maryland for example start with route 1 and increase as you head towards the Mississippi. If you look at the highway number and mile marker, you can determine where you are going using this system. This was and is all set by an organization called the strategic highway defense initiative started by president Eisenhower in the 1950s and yes, he was inspired by the German system because it worked so well. I95 is also kept a certain distance from the ocean to keep it safe from ship to shore bombardment. It also determined thickness of the road and height of the bridges to accommodate military equipment. Lastly, for every tax dollar used for the highway the government has reaped trillions in return in growth and tax revenue. Oh that's right, wasn't Eisenhower a republican? Imagine that.

Ddkth Wrote:
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> Interstate highways are racist. They were modeled
> on the German autobahn crated by Hitler.


So was the Olympic Torch lighting the flame at the stadium. 1936 Games in Berlin were the first time - Just another one of those Nazi ceremony things that continues today.

This designation will make the road eligible for federal subsidies and reduce the need to increase tolls.

There is already a Interstate 595 in Virginia, lolz.

Joke Insurance Wrote:
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> There is already a Interstate 595 in Virginia,
> lolz.


No there isbt

VA 267, AKA the Dulles Toll Road (DTR) and the Dulles International Airport Access Highway (DIAAH), are both owned and operated by the Metropolitan Washington Airport Authority.

It is not owned or maintained by the state or federal government, so therefore can not be part of the interstate system.

The Greenway is also a private road and would not fall in the Interstate system.

Frank Slocumb Wrote:
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> VA 267, AKA the Dulles Toll Road (DTR) and the
> Dulles International Airport Access Highway
> (DIAAH), are both owned and operated by the
> Metropolitan Washington Airport Authority.
>
> It is not owned or maintained by the state or
> federal government, so therefore can not be part
> of the interstate system.
>
> The Greenway is also a private road and would not
> fall in the Interstate system.

YHIS IS A FUCKING LUE

info for hellovit Wrote:
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> There are specific designations for federal
> highways based on position direction and what they
> do. Odd number north south. Even east and west.
> 2xx 1xx eg 195 295 are bypasses that travel on the
> edge of a metropolitan area.3xx 5xx are highways
> that terminate in the city.eg 395 595. 4Xx 6xx 8xx
> are beltway's that circle and never enter the
> city. The further south the lower the number. The
> number is bigger if it is further north. Both
> coast eg California and Maryland for example start
> with route 1 and increase as you head towards the
> Mississippi. If you look at the highway number and
> mile marker, you can determine where you are going
> using this system. This was and is all set by an
> organization called the strategic highway defense
> initiative started by president Eisenhower in the
> 1950s and yes, he was inspired by the German
> system because it worked so well. I95 is also kept
> a certain distance from the ocean to keep it safe
> from ship to shore bombardment. It also determined
> thickness of the road and height of the bridges to
> accommodate military equipment. Lastly, for every
> tax dollar used for the highway the government has
> reaped trillions in return in growth and tax
> revenue. Oh that's right, wasn't Eisenhower a
> republican? Imagine that.

Close, but the numbers rise consistently going west to east in the Interstate system; the U.S. Route system is the one that starts low in the east (US1) and goes higher as you go west (US101). And when it comes to three-digit Interstates, odd first digit = spur, even = loop.

There are exceptions -- I-99 should not be I-99, as it's in the wrong place; I-270 should have an odd first digit. Some of those are historical, due to changed plans; others are just weird (I-99 was some sort of political hack).

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System and especially
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System#Auxiliary_.28three-digit.29_Interstates_.28contiguous_U.S..29

Oh, and the leading digit thing is why there can be multiple I-595s, perhaps even in the same state, although for obvious reasons I'm sure states try to avoid it.


Fun stuff!

Road Geekin' Wrote:
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> Joke Insurance Wrote:
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> > There is already a Interstate 595 in Virginia,
> > lolz.
>
>
> No there isbt


Yep!

And just like 267 not upgrading to interstate standards either.

Greybeard Wrote:
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> as it's in the wrong place; I-270 should have an
> odd first digit.

It connects two sections of interstate (70 and 495) so it gets an even number.

Joke Insurance Wrote:
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> There is already a Interstate 595 in Virginia,
> lolz.


Doesn't matter. They use the prefixes as often as they need to. Just look how many 195s and 295s there are.

It is needed to provide a connection between KY, WV and the local users of Fairfax Underground.

Hamfist Wrote:
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> Greybeard Wrote:
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> > as it's in the wrong place; I-270 should have
> an
> > odd first digit.
>
> It connects two sections of interstate (70 and
> 495) so it gets an even number.

Um...no.

"Circumferential and radial loop routes return to the parent, and are given an even first digit." (the Wikipedia page--right, Wikipedia Gospel is not, but).

Many, many odd-first-digit routes would be even if the rule were as you suggest.

> Many, many odd-first-digit routes would be even if the rule were as you suggest.
Got any examples?

Does 295 really count as a connector? It ends at the 11th street bridge and becomes DC 295.

276 in Philly connects 76 to 95 and 295 to the north of downtown.
476 in Philly starts at 95 to the south of Philly, crosses 76 along the way and then continues all the way up to Scranton where it connects to 81.

287 that can be used to bypass NYC actually starts and ends at 95 and 87 is just one of the several interstates it crosses a single time along the way. 684 is another similar example in that area.

And then there's 495 up there in New York that gets an even numbered prefix since it connects to 278, 678 and 295 but it ends out in the "middle of nowhere" on Long Island.

US 1 in Crystal City from I-395 to the National Airport connector was supposed to be I-595. As mentioned up thread, US 50 in MD is unsigned I-595, they apparently just didn't want to spend the money for the signage.

Hamfist Wrote:
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> > Many, many odd-first-digit routes would be even
> if the rule were as you suggest.
> Got any examples?
>
> Does 295 really count as a connector? It ends at
> the 11th street bridge and becomes DC 295.
>
> 276 in Philly connects 76 to 95 and 295 to the
> north of downtown.
> 476 in Philly starts at 95 to the south of Philly,
> crosses 76 along the way and then continues all
> the way up to Scranton where it connects to 81.
>
> 287 that can be used to bypass NYC actually starts
> and ends at 95 and 87 is just one of the several
> interstates it crosses a single time along the
> way. 684 is another similar example in that area.
>
>
> And then there's 495 up there in New York that
> gets an even numbered prefix since it connects to
> 278, 678 and 295 but it ends out in the "middle of
> nowhere" on Long Island.

Of course lots of these are also "wrong" because things changed. Like 295 was supposed to connect to some highway that got killed, IIRC. So it's all fuzzy. I just like the theology, which lets one *mostly* tell what's what just by the number. Just never understood the reasoning behind numbering 270 even!

If it really becomes a part of the interstate highway system, it should carry the x66 spur route number.

That piece between 66 and the beltway in Falls Church has no real name (To: 495, i guess). Make it a spur of 66.

When did this happen?

I don't think this is true. A google search of 'Dulles I-595' only links to two threads here on FU, one of those being this one. Anyone have a link?

Greybeard Wrote:
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> Of course lots of these are also "wrong" because
> things changed. Like 295 was supposed to connect
> to some highway that got killed, IIRC. So it's all
> fuzzy. I just like the theology, which lets one
> *mostly* tell what's what just by the number. Just
> never understood the reasoning behind numbering
> 270 even!

So all of the examples I provided are just mistakes? That's awfully convenient.

Are you going to provide some real world examples of roads numbered the way that you claim is correct? Show some interstates that start and end at other interstates but have an odd number because one of the ends is not on the parent?


Is it really so hard to understand that an even numbered prefix on an auxiliary interstate means it will eventually dump you out onto some other piece of the interstate system while a odd numbered prefix means the interstate is going to just end at some point and dump you out onto something that isn't an interstate?

Hamfist Wrote:
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> So all of the examples I provided are just
> mistakes? That's awfully convenient.
>
> Are you going to provide some real world examples
> of roads numbered the way that you claim is
> correct? Show some interstates that start and end
> at other interstates but have an odd number
> because one of the ends is not on the parent?
>
>
> Is it really so hard to understand that an even
> numbered prefix on an auxiliary interstate means
> it will eventually dump you out onto some other
> piece of the interstate system while a odd
> numbered prefix means the interstate is going to
> just end at some point and dump you out onto
> something that isn't an interstate?

Doh, system evolves. I'm just citing the rules as repeatedly stated from various sources; you can look at a map as well as I can, I'm sure. But since you seem to be taking offense to this quite academic discussion, I'm done. Don't need this tsuris.

My friend at VDOT says the change will occur next year

EZ-Pass Wrote:
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> I – 270 spur Wrote:1
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> > There are very few told interstates in our
> interstate highway system.
>
> You probably meant "tolled", but there are many
> stretches of tolled interstates. Try driving from
> Baltimore to Boston if you need further
> convincing.


Especially that shit toll just for entering Delaware. They should be paying us instead.

roadgeekdom Wrote:
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> If it really becomes a part of the interstate
> highway system, it should carry the x66 spur route
> number.
>
> That piece between 66 and the beltway in Falls
> Church has no real name (To: 495, i guess). Make
> it a spur of 66.


Revive 266?