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Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Fox News
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Date: April 30, 2016 04:32PM
http://wtop.com/virginia/2016/04/website-responds-to-call-to-remove-posts-about-firefighter/
After an area fire chief called out his website, a Virginia website owner is speaking out.
Cary Wiedemann, owner of Fairfax Underground, said that Fairfax County Fire Chief Richard Bowers’ call for the site to remove posts about firefighter-paramedic Nicole Mittendorff is an attempt to shift the spotlight from the department.
“Fairfax Underground believes the fire chief’s comments are a clear deflection of blame,” Wiedemann said.
On Friday, the fire chief called for the site to remove several vulgar posts which criticized Mittendorff’s sex life, her appearance and even her death. The comments sparked speculation about the role cyber-bullying may have played in Mittendorff’s demise. Virginia State Police has said there is no evidence that the posts were a factor in her death, which was ruled a suicide.
Wiedemann said that the message board with the comments contained thousands of posts, and moderators were not aware of the comments’ existence before the 31-year-old went missing. The website has a policy against personal attacks, and if users flagged those posts, Wiedemann said that they would have been removed.
Wiedemann said removing the comments now, after the fact, would cause confusion among people researching what happened. He also said that, ultimately, it is difficult to truly remove anything from the Internet.
“It can be re-posted thousands of times, with slightly different variations and no one will ever know what the true original looked like,” Wiedemann said.
The website owner said he would be willing to remove the posts if he were to receive a request from Mittendorff’s family.
When it comes to users who posted the comments, Wiedemann said he wants to see them brought to justice. He said that with a court order, he can turn over the anonymous poster’s IP addresses to investigators. With an IP address, police can contact internet service providers and see who the address belonged to when the post was made. So far, Wiedemann has not been contacted about handing over the addresses.
Wiedemann said that the focus here needs to be on the people behind the posts and the not the website which the posts appear on.
Fairfax Underground has been around for 11 years, and Wiedemann said that he built it around users being able lead the conversation. The website owner said that unfortunately in this situation, it was used for abusive purposes.
“There is not much that can be done in today’s legal frame work to prevent a few dedicated bad actors from tarnishing someone else’s reputation on the Internet,” Wiedemann said.
After an area fire chief called out his website, a Virginia website owner is speaking out.
Cary Wiedemann, owner of Fairfax Underground, said that Fairfax County Fire Chief Richard Bowers’ call for the site to remove posts about firefighter-paramedic Nicole Mittendorff is an attempt to shift the spotlight from the department.
“Fairfax Underground believes the fire chief’s comments are a clear deflection of blame,” Wiedemann said.
On Friday, the fire chief called for the site to remove several vulgar posts which criticized Mittendorff’s sex life, her appearance and even her death. The comments sparked speculation about the role cyber-bullying may have played in Mittendorff’s demise. Virginia State Police has said there is no evidence that the posts were a factor in her death, which was ruled a suicide.
Wiedemann said that the message board with the comments contained thousands of posts, and moderators were not aware of the comments’ existence before the 31-year-old went missing. The website has a policy against personal attacks, and if users flagged those posts, Wiedemann said that they would have been removed.
Wiedemann said removing the comments now, after the fact, would cause confusion among people researching what happened. He also said that, ultimately, it is difficult to truly remove anything from the Internet.
“It can be re-posted thousands of times, with slightly different variations and no one will ever know what the true original looked like,” Wiedemann said.
The website owner said he would be willing to remove the posts if he were to receive a request from Mittendorff’s family.
When it comes to users who posted the comments, Wiedemann said he wants to see them brought to justice. He said that with a court order, he can turn over the anonymous poster’s IP addresses to investigators. With an IP address, police can contact internet service providers and see who the address belonged to when the post was made. So far, Wiedemann has not been contacted about handing over the addresses.
Wiedemann said that the focus here needs to be on the people behind the posts and the not the website which the posts appear on.
Fairfax Underground has been around for 11 years, and Wiedemann said that he built it around users being able lead the conversation. The website owner said that unfortunately in this situation, it was used for abusive purposes.
“There is not much that can be done in today’s legal frame work to prevent a few dedicated bad actors from tarnishing someone else’s reputation on the Internet,” Wiedemann said.
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Hillary...Clinton
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Date: April 30, 2016 06:10PM
What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Triumph!
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Date: April 30, 2016 07:43PM
Stay the course, C-Weed! Stay the mother-fucking goddamn course, Cary! Fuck Bowers, fuck the FCFD...Do not bend to their cries of injustice! Do not give them one fucking inch! The law is completely on your side and so are the FU users. If you cave on this asshole, you will be setting a dangerous precedent for this site going forward.
Don't like people posting the truth? Then own your shit, Bowers! Own what you do, Chief! When you have a badge bunny or a badge stud in-house that is fucking other people outside of their marriage? That is bad optics for your department and our county.
You gotta' sit that person down and explain that what they are doing is morally wrong and as public servant they have a responsibility to live their lives a certain way. If they don't want to live that way, then they need to resign their position and consider another line of work. You don't have to fire an employee like this...you have to manage them and lead them. Present the options and let them decide. If they decide to stay and they jump on another cock or cut another slice of meat-curtains they're not married to...THEN you can terminate them.
Why is this so hard?
Don't like people posting the truth? Then own your shit, Bowers! Own what you do, Chief! When you have a badge bunny or a badge stud in-house that is fucking other people outside of their marriage? That is bad optics for your department and our county.
You gotta' sit that person down and explain that what they are doing is morally wrong and as public servant they have a responsibility to live their lives a certain way. If they don't want to live that way, then they need to resign their position and consider another line of work. You don't have to fire an employee like this...you have to manage them and lead them. Present the options and let them decide. If they decide to stay and they jump on another cock or cut another slice of meat-curtains they're not married to...THEN you can terminate them.
Why is this so hard?
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Whiteknight
()
Date: April 30, 2016 08:04PM
Fox News Wrote:
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> to-call-to-remove-posts-about-firefighter/
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> After an area fire chief called out his website, a
> Virginia website owner is speaking out.
>
> Cary Wiedemann, owner of Fairfax Underground, said
> that Fairfax County Fire Chief Richard Bowers’
> call for the site to remove posts about
> firefighter-paramedic Nicole Mittendorff is an
> attempt to shift the spotlight from the
> department.
>
> “Fairfax Underground believes the fire chief’s
> comments are a clear deflection of blame,”
> Wiedemann said.
>
> On Friday, the fire chief called for the site to
> remove several vulgar posts which criticized
> Mittendorff’s sex life, her appearance and even
> her death. The comments sparked speculation about
> the role cyber-bullying may have played in
> Mittendorff’s demise. Virginia State Police has
> said there is no evidence that the posts were a
> factor in her death, which was ruled a suicide.
>
> Wiedemann said that the message board with the
> comments contained thousands of posts, and
> moderators were not aware of the comments’
> existence before the 31-year-old went missing. The
> website has a policy against personal attacks, and
> if users flagged those posts, Wiedemann said that
> they would have been removed.
>
> Wiedemann said removing the comments now, after
> the fact, would cause confusion among people
> researching what happened. He also said that,
> ultimately, it is difficult to truly remove
> anything from the Internet.
>
> “It can be re-posted thousands of times, with
> slightly different variations and no one will ever
> know what the true original looked like,”
> Wiedemann said.
>
> The website owner said he would be willing to
> remove the posts if he were to receive a request
> from Mittendorff’s family.
>
> When it comes to users who posted the comments,
> Wiedemann said he wants to see them brought to
> justice. He said that with a court order, he can
> turn over the anonymous poster’s IP addresses to
> investigators. With an IP address, police can
> contact internet service providers and see who the
> address belonged to when the post was made. So
> far, Wiedemann has not been contacted about
> handing over the addresses.
>
> Wiedemann said that the focus here needs to be on
> the people behind the posts and the not the
> website which the posts appear on.
>
> Fairfax Underground has been around for 11 years,
> and Wiedemann said that he built it around users
> being able lead the conversation. The website
> owner said that unfortunately in this situation,
> it was used for abusive purposes.
>
> “There is not much that can be done in today’s
> legal frame work to prevent a few dedicated bad
> actors from tarnishing someone else’s reputation
> on the Internet,” Wiedemann said.
LOl,fuck off nigger
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> http://wtop.com/virginia/2016/04/website-responds-
> to-call-to-remove-posts-about-firefighter/
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> mputer_woman2-974x650.gif">
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> After an area fire chief called out his website, a
> Virginia website owner is speaking out.
>
> Cary Wiedemann, owner of Fairfax Underground, said
> that Fairfax County Fire Chief Richard Bowers’
> call for the site to remove posts about
> firefighter-paramedic Nicole Mittendorff is an
> attempt to shift the spotlight from the
> department.
>
> “Fairfax Underground believes the fire chief’s
> comments are a clear deflection of blame,”
> Wiedemann said.
>
> On Friday, the fire chief called for the site to
> remove several vulgar posts which criticized
> Mittendorff’s sex life, her appearance and even
> her death. The comments sparked speculation about
> the role cyber-bullying may have played in
> Mittendorff’s demise. Virginia State Police has
> said there is no evidence that the posts were a
> factor in her death, which was ruled a suicide.
>
> Wiedemann said that the message board with the
> comments contained thousands of posts, and
> moderators were not aware of the comments’
> existence before the 31-year-old went missing. The
> website has a policy against personal attacks, and
> if users flagged those posts, Wiedemann said that
> they would have been removed.
>
> Wiedemann said removing the comments now, after
> the fact, would cause confusion among people
> researching what happened. He also said that,
> ultimately, it is difficult to truly remove
> anything from the Internet.
>
> “It can be re-posted thousands of times, with
> slightly different variations and no one will ever
> know what the true original looked like,”
> Wiedemann said.
>
> The website owner said he would be willing to
> remove the posts if he were to receive a request
> from Mittendorff’s family.
>
> When it comes to users who posted the comments,
> Wiedemann said he wants to see them brought to
> justice. He said that with a court order, he can
> turn over the anonymous poster’s IP addresses to
> investigators. With an IP address, police can
> contact internet service providers and see who the
> address belonged to when the post was made. So
> far, Wiedemann has not been contacted about
> handing over the addresses.
>
> Wiedemann said that the focus here needs to be on
> the people behind the posts and the not the
> website which the posts appear on.
>
> Fairfax Underground has been around for 11 years,
> and Wiedemann said that he built it around users
> being able lead the conversation. The website
> owner said that unfortunately in this situation,
> it was used for abusive purposes.
>
> “There is not much that can be done in today’s
> legal frame work to prevent a few dedicated bad
> actors from tarnishing someone else’s reputation
> on the Internet,” Wiedemann said.
LOl,fuck off nigger
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Another victim of this site
()
Date: May 01, 2016 05:35AM
This website is sick and so r the people on it.... Its a fucken shame
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Michael Basl.
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Date: May 01, 2016 05:57AM
Another victim of this site Wrote:
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> This website is sick and so r the people on it....
> Its a fucken shame
HI Carrie Marie
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> This website is sick and so r the people on it....
> Its a fucken shame
HI Carrie Marie
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
visit from the local authorities
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Date: May 01, 2016 09:48AM
"When it comes to users who posted the comments,
> Wiedemann said he wants to see them brought to
> justice. He said that with a court order, he can
> turn over the anonymous poster’s IP addresses to
> investigators. With an IP address, police can
> contact internet service providers and see who the
> address belonged to when the post was made. So
> far, Wiedemann has not been contacted about
> handing over the addresses."
Wiedemann is egar to turn over ip addresses. Careful what you write here fellow maggots - you will be getting a visit from the local authorities...
> Wiedemann said he wants to see them brought to
> justice. He said that with a court order, he can
> turn over the anonymous poster’s IP addresses to
> investigators. With an IP address, police can
> contact internet service providers and see who the
> address belonged to when the post was made. So
> far, Wiedemann has not been contacted about
> handing over the addresses."
Wiedemann is egar to turn over ip addresses. Careful what you write here fellow maggots - you will be getting a visit from the local authorities...
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
correction
()
Date: May 01, 2016 10:51AM
Website won't remove posts by Fairfax firefighters.
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
What??
()
Date: May 01, 2016 11:27AM
visit from the local authorities Wrote:
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> "When it comes to users who posted the comments,
> > Wiedemann said he wants to see them brought to
> > justice. He said that with a court order, he
> can
> > turn over the anonymous poster’s IP addresses
> to
> > investigators. With an IP address, police can
> > contact internet service providers and see who
> the
> > address belonged to when the post was made. So
> > far, Wiedemann has not been contacted about
> > handing over the addresses."
>
> Wiedemann is egar to turn over ip addresses.
> Careful what you write here fellow maggots - you
> will be getting a visit from the local
> authorities...
Wiedemann is egar (eager) to turn over ip addresses, where did you see that? Prove it.
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> "When it comes to users who posted the comments,
> > Wiedemann said he wants to see them brought to
> > justice. He said that with a court order, he
> can
> > turn over the anonymous poster’s IP addresses
> to
> > investigators. With an IP address, police can
> > contact internet service providers and see who
> the
> > address belonged to when the post was made. So
> > far, Wiedemann has not been contacted about
> > handing over the addresses."
>
> Wiedemann is egar to turn over ip addresses.
> Careful what you write here fellow maggots - you
> will be getting a visit from the local
> authorities...
Wiedemann is egar (eager) to turn over ip addresses, where did you see that? Prove it.
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
CCCCC
()
Date: May 01, 2016 05:25PM
S fuckin what if they get an IP address? Since when did we lose the right of free speech? (Don't Answer That).
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
yep
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Date: May 02, 2016 05:30PM
it happened
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Flagger flagger
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Date: May 02, 2016 10:55PM
"Wiedemann said that the message board with the comments contained thousands of posts, and moderators were not aware of the comments’ existence before the 31-year-old went missing. The website has a policy against personal attacks, and if users flagged those posts, Wiedemann said that they would have been removed."
Flagged how? Contacting Cary to remove them?
Flagged how? Contacting Cary to remove them?
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
7ky7U
()
Date: May 02, 2016 11:01PM
Flagger flagger Wrote:
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> "Wiedemann said that the message board with the
> comments contained thousands of posts, and
> moderators were not aware of the comments’
> existence before the 31-year-old went missing. The
> website has a policy against personal attacks, and
> if users flagged those posts, Wiedemann said that
> they would have been removed."
>
> Flagged how? Contacting Cary to remove them?
If you are a registered user and you're logged in you get a flag/report button to use. No one could report these posts because no one wanted to use their registered user name.
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> "Wiedemann said that the message board with the
> comments contained thousands of posts, and
> moderators were not aware of the comments’
> existence before the 31-year-old went missing. The
> website has a policy against personal attacks, and
> if users flagged those posts, Wiedemann said that
> they would have been removed."
>
> Flagged how? Contacting Cary to remove them?
If you are a registered user and you're logged in you get a flag/report button to use. No one could report these posts because no one wanted to use their registered user name.
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Fox News
()
Date: May 03, 2016 12:13AM
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/05/02/cyberbullying-allegations-continue-after-firefighter-commits-suicide/
— A firefighter who went missing in Virginia and was later found dead may have been the victim of extreme cyberbullying.
Jessica Kartalija reports some are outraged over the sexist comments posted online about the firefighter, which may have led her to kill herself.
Nicole Mittendorff has been laid to rest after a massive search led to her body in the Shenandoah National Park. An investigation is now underway into lurid postings about her on a community gossip site, Fairfax Underground.
“It was raunchy, it was offensive, it was disrespectful,” said Jane McKinley, a Fairfax resident
The 31-year-old called in sick before she went missing a week and a half ago.
Friends and neighbors say she was separated from her husband, Virginia State trooper Steve Mittendorff, but they say the two may have been trying to reconcile.
“This blog and social media is out of control,” said Fire Chief Richie Bowers.
Bowers says he has a zero tolerance policy to bullying and harassment.
“I will use any local, any state, any regional or federal resource to, again, look under every rock,” Bowers said.
He says he’s certain the comments were not posted on county computers or devices because they don’t have access to the gossip website, but if he finds out the posters were employees or volunteers, he says they may be terminated. He made a request:
“One, take the lewd comments down and two, turn the site off if people aren’t going to act right. When you have anonymous posts and people can say anything and it’s not factual or true, it’s wrong. It’s absolutely wrong,” Bowers said.
The postings appear to be from fellow firefighters, though they are anonymous...OR ARE THEY NOT???
— A firefighter who went missing in Virginia and was later found dead may have been the victim of extreme cyberbullying.
Jessica Kartalija reports some are outraged over the sexist comments posted online about the firefighter, which may have led her to kill herself.
Nicole Mittendorff has been laid to rest after a massive search led to her body in the Shenandoah National Park. An investigation is now underway into lurid postings about her on a community gossip site, Fairfax Underground.
“It was raunchy, it was offensive, it was disrespectful,” said Jane McKinley, a Fairfax resident
The 31-year-old called in sick before she went missing a week and a half ago.
Friends and neighbors say she was separated from her husband, Virginia State trooper Steve Mittendorff, but they say the two may have been trying to reconcile.
“This blog and social media is out of control,” said Fire Chief Richie Bowers.
Bowers says he has a zero tolerance policy to bullying and harassment.
“I will use any local, any state, any regional or federal resource to, again, look under every rock,” Bowers said.
He says he’s certain the comments were not posted on county computers or devices because they don’t have access to the gossip website, but if he finds out the posters were employees or volunteers, he says they may be terminated. He made a request:
“One, take the lewd comments down and two, turn the site off if people aren’t going to act right. When you have anonymous posts and people can say anything and it’s not factual or true, it’s wrong. It’s absolutely wrong,” Bowers said.
The postings appear to be from fellow firefighters, though they are anonymous...OR ARE THEY NOT???
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Trump/Weedman 2016
()
Date: May 03, 2016 12:43AM
Trump/Weedman 2016
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Gedjn
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Date: May 04, 2016 01:05PM
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Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
FXDEMOCRAT
()
Date: May 04, 2016 01:06PM
FFU is now accused of flag burning and sedidtion
luckily obama was part of the sting that brought them down for publishing anti-communist sentiments on a liberal funded website
luckily obama was part of the sting that brought them down for publishing anti-communist sentiments on a liberal funded website
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
mnhjw
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Date: May 04, 2016 01:09PM
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Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
MEDku
()
Date: May 04, 2016 01:10PM
^^ probably a gov accounting chick masterbating to the beach scenes which she just selected after finding out her "new payraise" will let her get on a new beach this year ... a few times
you too quick to thing she's depressed
you too quick to thing she's depressed
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
how about this
()
Date: May 04, 2016 01:44PM
Maybe the fire code inspectors should stop recommending their friends from putting people into compliance?
Let them to clean their own house first.
Let them to clean their own house first.
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
HG6KV
()
Date: May 04, 2016 01:53PM
The compliance issue and changes in code are way over done .. in the name of "safety" .. i know .. but they are now at the point of defying common sense ..
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
7tewG
()
Date: May 04, 2016 06:45PM
Fox News Wrote:
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> http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/05/02/cyberbull
> ying-allegations-continue-after-firefighter-commit
> s-suicide/
>
>
>
>
> — A firefighter who went missing in Virginia and
> was later found dead may have been the victim of
> extreme cyberbullying
Police have already stated the social media had nothing to do with her death
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> http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/05/02/cyberbull
> ying-allegations-continue-after-firefighter-commit
> s-suicide/
>
>
>
>
> — A firefighter who went missing in Virginia and
> was later found dead may have been the victim of
> extreme cyberbullying
Police have already stated the social media had nothing to do with her death
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Gots to know how
()
Date: May 04, 2016 07:03PM
How did she end it?
Rope
Pills
What?
Rope
Pills
What?
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Tasty Chicken Salad Sandwiches
()
Date: May 04, 2016 07:22PM
Looking for a recipe for a low sodium chicken salad. Any suggestions?
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Ying Ko
()
Date: May 04, 2016 08:27PM
Tasty Chicken Salad Sandwiches Wrote:
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> Looking for a recipe for a low sodium chicken
> salad. Any suggestions?
I believe the chicken salad recipe was the Holy Grail in Woody Allen's "What's Up Tiger Lily" back in the 60's. I laughed and laughed but the movie did give the recipe.
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> Looking for a recipe for a low sodium chicken
> salad. Any suggestions?
I believe the chicken salad recipe was the Holy Grail in Woody Allen's "What's Up Tiger Lily" back in the 60's. I laughed and laughed but the movie did give the recipe.
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Ying Ko
()
Date: May 04, 2016 08:28PM
Soory. just checked and it was egg salad.
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Ying Ko
()
Date: May 04, 2016 08:34PM
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Bowers,, get real
()
Date: May 05, 2016 02:27PM
Deleting the posts still won't delete what was done to Nicole
Re: Website won't remove posts about Fairfax firefighter
Posted by:
Jayman
()
Date: May 05, 2016 02:48PM
And what crime are they going to charge posters with? The police have already stated that the suicide had nothing to do with this site.
Hey Chief, guess what? You cannot just go and get a court order because YOU do not like some comments. I am sure there are some comments about me on here I do not like. Does that mean, I get to go to the Police, get a court order and have them arrested? Stop being a pussy and realize that, sometimes in life, people will say mean things about you. You laugh at them and get over it.
Hey Chief, guess what? You cannot just go and get a court order because YOU do not like some comments. I am sure there are some comments about me on here I do not like. Does that mean, I get to go to the Police, get a court order and have them arrested? Stop being a pussy and realize that, sometimes in life, people will say mean things about you. You laugh at them and get over it.